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D'ANNE:
Denise answered the phone
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and she said, "D'Anne,
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it's Nicole."
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A.C.:
He said the kids were fine.
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They were at the police station.
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DENISE:
What the kids
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could have heard.
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What are they thinking?
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I made a promise to Nicole
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that I would do everything
in my power
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to protect them.
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(sirens wailing)
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D'ANNE:
We know where he is.
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He's on the 405 Freeway,
coming down here to us.
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When I was told I would
never be able to testify,
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I was gonna get
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that information out there
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someway, somehow.
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The controversy was,
Faye felt that she
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had to show some of the flaws
in Nicole.
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It wasn't as if any of us
are saints.
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Nicole,
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she had a safe deposit box.
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Then she had a...
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diary.
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Essentially a list of abuse.
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It still gives me chills.
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DENISE:
Why can't I protect her?
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Why didn't she just leave?
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He was guilty.
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No question.
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In my mind,
O.J. Simpson's guilty.
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I believed
from the very, very beginning
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that-that he was guilty.
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Oh, guilty as hell.
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S-Simpson?
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There was no doubt in my mind
that...
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O.J. was guilty
of these murders.
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I mean,
everything pointed to him.
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It's like, the only thing
that wasn't left behind is
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"Hello, my name is O.J." tag.
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I don't think anybody knows.
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Weird things happen all the time
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that can't be explained
or that don't seem logical.
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I can't say that that's
not the situation here.
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You show me any real evidence
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and I'll go look
for a real suspect.
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There is nothing that points
in any other direction
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than O.J. Simpson.
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I believe
that O.J. took that knife.
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I believe he was trying
to scare Nicole
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and he got carried away.
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And I do believe he did it.
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A lot of people
turned around to say,
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"Well, he was found innocent."
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"Not guilty"
does not mean you're innocent.
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(exhales)
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There are kids involved,
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and they don't know
their mother.
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I knew
that somebody was to blame,
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and I-I knew that, somehow...
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there was involvement.
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I didn't know to what extent.
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You know what I mean?
I-I didn't...
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I still don't know.
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♪
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(clamoring)
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MAN:
I found 49 cameramen,
25 anchors,
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20 producers I could see,
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but a lot of them
were inside a truck.
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(speaking Spanish)
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(speaking foreign language)
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MAN 2:
This was a jury of, uh, millios
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and hundreds of millions
of people.
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NEWSMAN:
What's your verdict?
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Is O.J. Simpson
guilty or innocent?
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DENISE:
Oh, my God,
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what a nightmare we lived.
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We were driving down
to go to court
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and hearing the helicopters...
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...and listening to
the play-by-play on the radi.
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"Oh, yeah,
they're following the van,
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and the van is going
to the criminal court."
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-That's Nicole's mother
and sister. You get that?
-Write down "10:58:38."
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We would be driven underneath
the courthouse into...
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the basement down there.
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And underground
is also where the criminals go
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in the buses.
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So we were down there,
and then they...
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took us up to, you know,
the criminal court.
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And that was, like, every day
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for 18 months.
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I was the Criminal Courts
reporter at City News Service.
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I was there every day, all day.
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There was an entire camp
of news vans
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and vehicles across the street.
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We called it "Camp O.J."
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There was
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an entire separate press room
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on the 11th floor
full of people,
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and there was a listening room.
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(indistinct chatter)
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There was such
an insatiable appetite
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from the public
for details of this story.
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-(honking)
-NEWSWOMAN:
The attention-seekers,
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the curious.
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Please don't forget the victim!
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It was a cash cow
for so many organizations.
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Police, security.
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Everything around that trial
went from...
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justice...
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to a business opportunity.
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On the days that I would go over
to the criminal courthouse--
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many days-- I would pass through
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vendors selling
bumper stickers or clothing.
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O.J. today. O.J.
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This, ladies and gentlemen,
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is the O.J. watch.
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Featuring...
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a spinning car-- police car--
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chasing a spinning
white Bronco.
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(laughing): Oh, it's got
a compass on it, too.
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Why not?
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I remember that the
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sort of pop culture aspects
of this throughout.
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I remember the Dancing Itos.
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(audience laughing)
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"Weekend Update"
and Norm Macdonald,
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you know,
sort of with a cocked eyebrow
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indicating how guilty
he thought, uh, Simpson was.
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The book is entitled God Himself
Told Me That O.J. Is Guilty.
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(laughter, applause)
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Norm Macdonald ultimately lost
his "Weekend Update" gig
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because Don Ohlmeyer,
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an NBC executive,
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was good friends with O.J.
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NEWTON:
Really,
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the sense of it-- of the tr--
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of the case lifting off
from a criminal proceeding
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and becoming this
kind of cultural phenomenon
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was strange to observe.
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Let's talk a little
about O.J., please,
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because I have
to get it off my chest.
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O.J. O.J. was big.
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That's right.
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Black people too happy,
white people too mad.
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Every time I see that walk,
I think he did it. You see him?
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-He used to do that...
-(laughter)
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Oh, no! O.J. has struck again.
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-How about that?
-(laughter)
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(applause, whooping)
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How the (bleep)
I'm-a drop a glove
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-at the scene of the crime?
-(laughter, applause)
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He hit his first wife.
He didn't kill her.
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-Ah! Okay. Yeah.
-(laughter)
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DAVID:
The hardest part is,
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let's say
you're watching a sitcom.
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Wouldn't you know it?
It won't fit.
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-Ooh!
-Aah! Oh, my God!
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-It doesn't fit.
-Look at that.
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If Chewbacca lives on Endor,
you must acquit.
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damn,
I hate that Cochran guy.
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You know,
it's-it's just ridiculous.
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And it wasn't a joke to me.
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Yeah, it's two people
that lost their lives
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by somebody's hand.
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There was so much stuff going on
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and dirt and trash
and this and that.
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It was just ridiculous.
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Everything
was just real ridiculous.
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It was overblown and, um...
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nonsensical, really.
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Because it didn't have to do...
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with the murder
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of Ron and Nicole.
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NEWSMAN:
The prosecution's diary
of Nicole's terror
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are a key part
of the D.A.'s case.
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NEWSWOMAN:
Reports are, the brutal imags
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were tucked away here
in a safe deposit box.
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NEWTON:
What became more clear,
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especially once the contents
of the safe deposit box
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were revealed,
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was that Nicole
had been injured on occasion.
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Her diary
and the letters from Simpson-
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I mean, all of it
just gave illumination to,
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really, a protracted, violent,
threatening marriage.
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It was not
in the defense's interest
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to vilify Nicole Simpson,
exactly.
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Um, but it was
in their interest to...
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portray her as sort of an equal
participant in the violence.
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BLASIER:
My name is Robert Blasier.
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Uh, I am a defense attorney.
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I was one of the attorneys
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in both the criminal
and civil O.J. Simpson case.
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The evidence seemed to be
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pretty clear that, uh,
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Nicole Brown Simpson
and-and O.J. Simpson
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had a very violent situation
between the two of them.
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It wasn't, kind of,
one person dominates
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and the other person
is submissive.
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They were both
very forceful-type people.
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In situations
where there's domestic violence,
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homicides
generally don't result.
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NEWSMAN:
For two days now, the diary,
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or "divorce memo,"
as the defense calls it,
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has been the topic
of the live TV court coverag.
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MAN:
According to the defense,
this is not a diary.
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This document is
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something prepared
by Nicole Simpson
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for use by her divorce lawyer
years later.
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They were trying to get rid
of a lot of the evidence.
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I decided to go upstairs
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and I went with this young girl
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and I said, "I want to speak."
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It was clear that Denise Brown's
comments were not spontaneous.
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In fact, she came up
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to the 18th floor
of the Criminal Courts Buildin,
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made her way down this hallway
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into the office
of City News Service,
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and sought out
reporter Shoreen Maghame.
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All of a sudden,
Denise is there.
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It wasn't a long interview.
She left pretty quickly.
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And some of the other reporters
who were there got wind of it
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and they started coming in,
asking her questions, too,
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but she ended up leaving.
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And I remember she said...
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Her famous quote
from that was...
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LALAMA (reading):
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Clearly, Denise Brown is a, uh,
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relative of a victim
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and she's not a lawyer.
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JUDIE:
Denise became kind of the...
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spokesperson for everybody.
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And, um... Mini
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was more reticent
to discuss any...
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any of it.
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I was taking care of the kids
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and I was doing things.
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You know, call it distraction,
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call it coping, call it...
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...playing.
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We played.
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(inhales deeply)
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And we played and we played.
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We're gonna play?
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Are we gonna play?
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DOMINIQUE:
Until...
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we couldn't play anymore.
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D'ANNE: I remember Dominique
told me, she said,
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"I had to go in and
ask to see pictures of..."
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"...Nicole's body because
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I just could not get angry
at O.J."
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She loved him.
They were family.
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There were a lot of tears and
more stories of physical abuse
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today in court as Nicole's
sister Denise took the stand.
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NEWSWOMAN:
Denise Brown's ex-boyfriend
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Stuart Chesler
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watched her tearful testimony
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of abuse.
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CHESLER:
This is hard for her to do.
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Hang in there, Denise.
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The journals, the notes,
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the diaries,
they did not make it in.
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I was the only one that made
it into the criminal trial.
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DARDEN:
The People call Denise Brown.
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DENISE:
I was asked because
I was a part of
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knowing about the abuse,
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knowing about the domestic
violence in her life.
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And I was there
when it happened.
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Grabbed Nicole, told her
to get out of his house.
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Wanted us all out of his house.
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Picked her up,
threw her against a wall.
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DENISE:
It wasn't just our family,
it was media, too,
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and strange people.
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And you're sitting there
and you're talking
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and then you're crying,
and it was just
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so friggin' scary.
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And then I saw my father,
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and my father was crying.
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Tears were coming down his fac.
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I thought,
"Oh, my poor dad has to
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"watch me up on the stand
doing this.
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Oh, my God,
I just don't want him hurting."
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He was hurting enough.
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O.J. did not react at all.
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He stayed stone-faced.
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The jury was also--
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Well, they had been instructed
by Judge Ito
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not to react at all,
so they did not react.
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But at the end of the day,
it did absolutely no good
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because one of the jurors
turned around and said,
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"Well, this wasn't
a domestic violence case."
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Why are you putting me
up on the stand if you're not
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going to educate these people
on what domestic violence is
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and that domestic violence
can kill?
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NEWSWOMAN:
We'll have more reaction to
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Denise Brown's testimony
tomorrow.
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Now, A Current Affair proves
we don't horse around
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when it comes to getting actio.
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The average juror did not
understand the complexity
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of domestic violence.
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It was easy to continue
to blame.
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"If she had just been
a better wife
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from day one..."
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"...she'd still be alive."
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Even in her grave,
Nicole was being blamed
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for his actions.
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Entertainment Tonight
has obtained exclusive access
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to Monday's front-page story
in the National Enquirer.
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Nicole had six abortions
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rather than bring another child
into their marriage.
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She started screaming at me,
"Mother-bleeper!"
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You know, "If you're going to do
this to me,
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"why don't you pick
somebody pretty?
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She's a mother-bleeping dog."
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Nicole's writing
is large and rounded.
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Someone who writes this way
needs attention and approval.
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The evidence will be,
these ladies would go out
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two, three, four nights a week
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and stay out till
5:00 in the morning.
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There's a group of them,
and you'll hear about it.
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They'd go out dancing, they'd do
whatever they would do.
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And we know Faye Resnick
was using drugs
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in this period of time.
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Nobody was controlling
these women.
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The defense put on
this big smear campaign
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about Nicole
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and about the kind of person
that she was.
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It was nothing like who she was.
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All the pictures that were
coming out of her
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were in a bikini
or in a modeling shot.
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You know,
in an alluring kind of way.
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She went from being a victim
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of domestic violence
and murder to being a whore.
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You'd go to dinner
and you'd hear someone
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sitting at another table say,
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"Oh, I'm sure it was that she,
you know,
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she was hanging around...
drug dealers."
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I mean, you just hear
the stuff that they're--
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that the defense is spewing.
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And I hold him
responsible because
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he wanted them to do it.
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Some of the people
that were in our circle
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were so in awe of him
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or, you know,
idolized him so much
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that they couldn't
grasp the fact that he could
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do something like this.
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You were in one camp
or the other camp.
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You were Team O.J.
or Team Nicole.
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And it just divided
the whole community.
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There wasn't a lot of people
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that you
could trust at this point
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because you didn't know
who you could trust.
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You know, we didn't know
who's talking to the media,
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who's going to say something,
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who's going to do something.
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There was a group of women
that were,
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you know, around.
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I-I just never bonded with them.
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They were so different
from all our friends
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that we grew up with
down in Laguna.
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They weren't--
they weren't our people.
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NEWSMAN: There's another nw
book in the works about Nicol.
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It's being written by
one of her closest friends
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Cora Fischman.
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And Cora Fischman
says that Nicole
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was not entirely blameless.
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Nicole used to tell me,
I mean, she herself abused O.J.
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I mean,
and O.J. told me one time,
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"I feel like a battered
husband."
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So, I mean, it was both ways.
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One of the plausible or
possible explanations would be
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that Mr. Simpson
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has successfully influenced her
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to alter or change
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some of her testimony.
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At one point,
one of Nicole's friends,
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she was flailing
out in front of the media
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and just doing her thing
and, "Ah, ah!"
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And she came knocking at the
door and I answered the door.
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That was Nicole's friend Cora.
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I don't know who did it, no.
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REPORTER:
She was your friend?
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CORA (sobbing):
Please stop...
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I was not gonna
put up with anybody
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doing any kind of
their song and dance
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with the media
and then thinking
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that they were gonna come
into Nicole's house and do what?
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I didn't want to have anythig
to do with her.
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So I wouldn't be surprised
if she became
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Team Simpson after that
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because, you know,
she wasn't welcome.
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After he got arrested,
he was trying to get A.C.
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to call her friends.
He called me to come see O.J.
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"O.J. wants to talk to you."
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I said, "A.C., I don't want
to talk to O.J."
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You know, O.J. thought
that his, you know,
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with his charisma,
that he's going to charm us all
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into thinking that
he didn't do it.
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I was upset that A.C.
sided with O.J.
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and that he was
still carrying his water.
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And the fact that he would
kind of...
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...give O.J. a pass
on her murder
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kind of blew my mind.
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It was like,
why would someone do that?
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But then I think to myself,
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a lot of those guys did that.
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A lot of those guys just...
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She was just another girl,
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and he was O.J.
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A.C.:
Thank you.
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Thank you for
coming out this afternoon.
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As you know, I've been very
reluctant to speak to the media.
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I feel that the media
has consistently
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sensationalized the facts
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and negatively exploded--
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exploited the many aspects
of this tragedy.
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A.C. was there
for a lot of stuff.
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So that's why
I didn't understand why A.C.
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didn't stick up for her
after he murdered her.
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I just didn't get it
and I couldn't
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00:17:58,700 --> 00:18:00,080
talk to him anymore.
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I didn't want to have
anything to do with him
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because I just thought,
"You know what?
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"You abandoned Nicole.
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"You abandoned your best frien.
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And you have to live with that."
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So, in my personal effort
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to lend the truth
and the sanity,
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I've chosen to speak
to the public directly,
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via a 900-CALL-AC program.
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I will share with the callers
my life experiences with O.J.,
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from our childhood
through our NFL days,
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my close relationship
with Nicole,
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and my views on the media.
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I totally believe
in my friend's innocence.
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Yeah, I'm not the type
of person that forgets easily,
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and I certainly don't forgive.
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During the trial,
David and I weren't allowed
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to be called up on the stand
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because Lou and Judi and Denis,
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they wanted the kids
to be able to see us freely.
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We were horseback riding,
and Justin
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was talking very freely
with me,
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as they both did.
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He was saying how much
he missed his mom.
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Then he said,
"Well, you know, D'Anne,
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I miss my dad, too."
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And I thought he almost thought
I was going to reject him,
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because they didn't
really understand
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what was going on, and I didn't.
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And I said,
"You know, I understand that.
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He will always be your daddy."
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And you could see it,
he relaxed.
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The kids
really didn't understand
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what was going on at the time.
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I think that Black folk
saw reasonable doubt based upon
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a history, an experience
of seeing racist cops convict,
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plant evidence on Black folks,
who we know in our lives.
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Prior to Nicole's murder,
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L.A. had been in
a pretty tumultuous run.
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There was a lot of strife
between
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the Black community
and the police department
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for the Rodney King beating
et al., you know,
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and we had had the riots.
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There was just a lot
of tension in the city.
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HINTON:
Black and brown communities
in L.A.
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had long complained about
their treatment by police
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to authorities, to the publi,
largely on deaf ears.
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You know, time and time again,
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the response is that somehow
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the idea of police
brutality is a figment of
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Black people's imagination.
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Despite the undeniable
evidence of the video,
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there was no justice
for Black people.
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NEWSWOMAN:
7:00 a.m. at Camp O.J.,
the trucks are up.
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Cameras, mics and lights
are everywhere.
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It is shortly before noon,
Chicago time,
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and history is in the making.
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MAGHAME:
The verdict was
one of those moments
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00:20:51,870 --> 00:20:53,830
in American history
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where you remember where
you were when it happened.
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151 million people tuned in lie
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to watch the verdict.
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DENISE:
I remember Judge Ito
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telling all of us,
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"Do not make a noise,
do not react.
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"Nothing.
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There has to be silence
in my courtroom."
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The only way
I can explain it is like
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going up a roller coaster,
the anticipation.
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Your heart's racing,
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you know that whatever
goes up comes down.
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And it's that... (exhales) that
you're waiting for that drop.
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And then the drop happened.
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On this shift, we'll take you
right through the verdict.
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Mr. Simpson has now come back
to the courtroom.
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OPRAH:
We, just like
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00:21:34,370 --> 00:21:36,830
the rest of the country,
are waiting to hear it live
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for the very first time.
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CLERK:
In the matter of the People
of the State of California
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v. Orenthal James Simpson,
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case number BA097211...
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...we, the jury,
in the above-entitled action,
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find the defendant Orenjal--
Orenthal James Simpson
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-not guilty
of the crime of murder...
-(cheering)
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...in violation
of penal code section 187(A),
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a felony,
upon Nicole Brown Simpson,
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a human being, as charged
in Count I of the information.
510
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,870
All of a sudden,
when the verdict was read,
511
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:10,910
I heard Kim Goldman scream.
512
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,620
(crying)
513
00:22:12,700 --> 00:22:14,500
CLERK:
We, the jury,
in the above-entitled action,
514
00:22:14,540 --> 00:22:15,830
further find
the special circumstance
515
00:22:15,950 --> 00:22:17,700
that the defendant
Orenthal James Simpson...
516
00:22:17,790 --> 00:22:19,830
DENISE:
We were all sitting there
in shock.
517
00:22:19,910 --> 00:22:21,410
I couldn't cry.
518
00:22:21,540 --> 00:22:24,540
I couldn't do anything.
I couldn't move.
519
00:22:24,620 --> 00:22:26,160
DOMINIQUE:
I was shocked.
520
00:22:26,250 --> 00:22:28,040
I don't know.
521
00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:31,910
Relieved, disappointed, angry.
522
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,120
I mean, did-did you really
want him to be guilty?
523
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,040
Did you not want him
to be guilty?
524
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,700
It's a... it's a tough question.
525
00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:45,450
I remember going home
526
00:22:45,540 --> 00:22:49,120
and going and picking up
our kids from school,
527
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,410
and people were... cheering.
528
00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:55,450
(cheering, screaming)
529
00:22:57,370 --> 00:22:59,450
(horn honking)
530
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,750
There was nothing
to cheer about.
531
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:13,330
Nothing.
532
00:23:14,330 --> 00:23:16,200
(sniffles)
533
00:23:16,290 --> 00:23:18,620
Uh, the jury heard,
uh, the evidence
534
00:23:18,700 --> 00:23:20,290
and rendered its verdict.
535
00:23:20,370 --> 00:23:22,660
At this moment,
our thoughts and prayers
536
00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:24,250
should be with the families
537
00:23:24,330 --> 00:23:27,080
of the victims
of this terrible crime.
538
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,950
In the car, going home,
539
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,000
Judi said to all of us,
540
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:35,250
"I don't want one tear
in front of the kids.
541
00:23:35,330 --> 00:23:38,450
"I want you all
to put on a happy face.
542
00:23:38,540 --> 00:23:41,450
Remember, this is their father"
543
00:23:41,540 --> 00:23:43,200
We think about the verdict,
544
00:23:43,290 --> 00:23:47,080
and all I remember was her
545
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,040
teaching us how to be a mom.
546
00:23:58,870 --> 00:24:01,660
NEWSMAN:
O.J. was driven home yesterdy
in this white van.
547
00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:04,160
As it stopped in traffic,
Simpson was approached
548
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,660
by a camera crew and bystander.
549
00:24:06,790 --> 00:24:09,160
NEWSMAN 2: Today, reporters
and onlookers crowded outside
550
00:24:09,250 --> 00:24:11,700
360 North Rockingham Drive,
551
00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:14,000
hoping to get a glimpse
of O.J. Simpson.
552
00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:16,870
When Simpson came home,
553
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:19,120
there's a massive
influx of people.
554
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,040
(indistinct chatter)
555
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:23,870
Tourists. No, I saw
license plates from Kansas
556
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,910
and from, you know, Ohio
and all over the country
557
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,660
would drive out to take a road
trip out to see O.J.'s house.
558
00:24:30,700 --> 00:24:34,080
The department had to allocae
millions of dollars
559
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,370
in overtime to pay officers
to work these locations.
560
00:24:37,450 --> 00:24:38,370
It was a circus,
561
00:24:38,450 --> 00:24:39,910
a literal circus.
562
00:24:41,540 --> 00:24:44,250
D'ANNE: When he got
out of jail, he kept
563
00:24:44,330 --> 00:24:49,450
voicing how important it was
because he wanted to get home
564
00:24:49,540 --> 00:24:52,660
to be with Sydney
during her birthday.
565
00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:56,700
So he got out and went
566
00:24:56,700 --> 00:25:00,830
to the Browns, picked up Sydney
and them, and took them
567
00:25:00,870 --> 00:25:04,450
to Never Neverland,
to Michael Jackson's property.
568
00:25:06,540 --> 00:25:08,620
She was showing me,
"Look, he bought me this..."
569
00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:11,450
It was a big stereo system,
and...
570
00:25:11,540 --> 00:25:14,000
"And I asked him,
'Next time we go,
571
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,040
can we take Joey and Derek
to Never Neverland?'"
572
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,120
I-I sat down with her
and I said,
573
00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:22,910
"Sydney, you have to understand
574
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,950
"that I will never let my boys
go be with your dad,
575
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,950
"because I believe
your dad killed your mother.
576
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,750
And I can't let
my children go there."
577
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:39,790
She just kind of looked at me
and said, "Yeah, yeah, I know."
578
00:25:39,870 --> 00:25:42,370
And she got up
and she ran out of the room.
579
00:25:42,450 --> 00:25:47,160
Lou and Judi were so afraid
of losing those two kids.
580
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,660
You know, 'cause a-at any time,
he could have said, "That's it,"
581
00:25:50,790 --> 00:25:51,910
you know, "they're minors,
582
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,580
you don't get
to see 'em anymore."
583
00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:56,160
So they played the game
584
00:25:56,250 --> 00:25:58,830
so that they would be able
to be with their grandchildren.
585
00:25:58,910 --> 00:26:03,040
I, unfortunately,
I just, I couldn't lie.
586
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:04,660
I couldn't play the game.
587
00:26:12,540 --> 00:26:13,660
The children,
what will happen next with them?
588
00:26:13,870 --> 00:26:16,160
Sydney asked me today,
she says, "Do I have to leave?"
589
00:26:16,290 --> 00:26:18,450
And I said, "Maybe."
590
00:26:18,540 --> 00:26:21,250
But at least they have
one parent to, uh,
591
00:26:21,330 --> 00:26:23,910
to back up, uh, their life.
592
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,790
DENISE:
The problem with
that one parent, though,
593
00:26:25,870 --> 00:26:27,660
is that he is a batterer.
594
00:26:27,790 --> 00:26:31,700
And that is the only thing--
nobody can take that away.
595
00:26:31,790 --> 00:26:34,410
It was a wild time,
for three years.
596
00:26:34,500 --> 00:26:36,290
It wasn't just
the criminal trial.
597
00:26:36,370 --> 00:26:38,330
Then we also had a civil trial.
598
00:26:38,410 --> 00:26:42,160
It's something we wanted
to hear since...
599
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,200
two and a half years.
600
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,250
And...
601
00:26:47,330 --> 00:26:50,370
it finally came.
602
00:26:50,450 --> 00:26:52,830
We know justice
will be done someday.
603
00:26:52,910 --> 00:26:56,370
Before that, we also had
a child custody trial.
604
00:26:56,450 --> 00:26:59,330
When, uh, Simpson was arrested,
he had signed an agreement
605
00:26:59,450 --> 00:27:04,330
that, uh, the Browns would
retain custody of the kids.
606
00:27:04,450 --> 00:27:07,870
After that, the Browns decided,
even though Simpson
607
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,750
was acquitted,
they knew in their minds
608
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:12,540
that he had murdered
the kids' mother.
609
00:27:12,620 --> 00:27:14,330
Even though they knew
they didn't have
610
00:27:14,370 --> 00:27:16,540
a legal right at that point,
611
00:27:16,620 --> 00:27:18,330
they fought to keep
the kids because they knew
612
00:27:18,370 --> 00:27:21,330
they'd raise the kids
better than Simpson would.
613
00:27:21,370 --> 00:27:25,830
Part of the evidence introduced
by the Browns' attorney
614
00:27:25,870 --> 00:27:30,040
was a fictional...
615
00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:34,160
story that eight-year-old
Justin wrote
616
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,330
about a father
murdering his mother.
617
00:27:38,370 --> 00:27:41,330
Children know sometimes.
618
00:27:41,370 --> 00:27:44,000
They know.
619
00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:47,540
It was heartbreaking
to see that the things
620
00:27:47,540 --> 00:27:49,910
that were very, very important
621
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,250
were not allowed
into the child custody case,
622
00:27:52,370 --> 00:27:55,330
especially the way
that Nicole had been treated.
623
00:27:55,370 --> 00:27:58,080
Why should custody have been
changed now to someone
624
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,080
who is accused of the wrongful
death of the children's mother?
625
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,790
The fact that he is a convicted
wife batterer means
626
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:07,080
that he may present a risk
of harm to these children.
627
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,040
That was the Christmas
that they decided
628
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,910
that they were gonna take
the children away from us.
629
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,200
We had Christmas Eve with them,
and on Christmas Day
630
00:28:16,290 --> 00:28:17,500
he came to pick them up.
631
00:28:17,620 --> 00:28:20,000
And it was my mom and I,
632
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,250
we were standing
out on the driveway...
633
00:28:22,370 --> 00:28:24,580
Oh, God, I'm gonna cry again.
634
00:28:24,660 --> 00:28:26,660
Justin...
635
00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:28,290
Justin went up to my mom,
636
00:28:28,370 --> 00:28:31,200
and he handed her
a piece of chocolate.
637
00:28:31,290 --> 00:28:32,790
(crying)
638
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,950
He said,
"Dita, it's gonna be okay."
639
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,750
We started walking
into the house together,
640
00:28:40,830 --> 00:28:42,200
and I just thought,
641
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,200
"That's the nastiest thing
anybody could ever do.
642
00:28:44,290 --> 00:28:46,540
"Couldn't you just wait
until after Christmas?
643
00:28:46,620 --> 00:28:48,750
Why couldn't you wait
another day?"
644
00:28:48,830 --> 00:28:51,910
It was just awful.
It was just to hurt my mom.
645
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,160
My mom was very good
at putting things aside.
646
00:28:58,330 --> 00:29:00,830
She never shook his hand,
didn't kiss him hello.
647
00:29:00,870 --> 00:29:03,250
It was just seeing him,
talking to him
648
00:29:03,330 --> 00:29:06,250
about the kids,
talking on the telephone,
649
00:29:06,330 --> 00:29:07,700
only about the kids.
650
00:29:12,750 --> 00:29:16,160
Many people in this country
consider you a pariah.
651
00:29:16,250 --> 00:29:18,160
I'm constantly having people
hugging and touching me
652
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,500
and buying me drinks
and-and encouraging me
653
00:29:20,540 --> 00:29:22,370
to take care of the kids
and move on.
654
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:44,250
We would hear stories about him
going to restaurants
655
00:29:44,330 --> 00:29:47,330
that were popular
in West Hollywood
656
00:29:47,370 --> 00:29:52,160
or somewhere else
and being asked to leave.
657
00:29:52,250 --> 00:29:54,540
One thing in particular
that struck me
658
00:29:54,540 --> 00:29:59,120
was, the Brentwood News
ran a column
659
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,250
by its editor and publisher
Jeff Hall,
660
00:30:02,250 --> 00:30:07,410
who wrote kind of
an open letter to O.J.,
661
00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:09,330
and it said,
662
00:30:09,410 --> 00:30:11,830
"The trial's over.
663
00:30:11,870 --> 00:30:13,700
"Could you go to Mexico
for a while
664
00:30:13,790 --> 00:30:16,160
and just leave us alone?"
665
00:30:17,870 --> 00:30:20,410
He sort of said
the quiet part out loud
666
00:30:20,540 --> 00:30:25,290
that a lot of people
in Brentwood, I think, felt.
667
00:30:25,370 --> 00:30:30,200
Because the trial
was about more than O.J.,
668
00:30:30,290 --> 00:30:34,500
it was easier
to kind of forget about O.J.
669
00:30:34,580 --> 00:30:39,250
when the reality of, you know,
670
00:30:39,370 --> 00:30:41,950
a supposedly destitute existence
kind of set in.
671
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,910
I mean, he, you know,
O.J. kind of became a joke.
672
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,000
Yeah, how are you doing?
Yeah-- oh... thank you.
673
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,120
-Very nice meeting you.
-Doesn't that hurt?
674
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,950
-Huh?
-Doesn't that hurt
your feelings?
675
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,000
No.
676
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,660
You're planning to move
to Miami. Why?
677
00:30:56,700 --> 00:30:58,620
I-I was constantly
trying to move to Miami.
678
00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:01,500
I was moving to Miami before
this happened. I like Florida.
679
00:31:01,580 --> 00:31:03,370
Do they talk with you or ask you
680
00:31:03,450 --> 00:31:04,870
-about their mother's murder?
-No, they don't.
681
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:07,080
-Never?
-Never.
682
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,830
-It never comes up?
-It never comes up.
683
00:31:08,910 --> 00:31:10,660
Like most kids, uh,
they don't look back,
684
00:31:10,790 --> 00:31:12,660
they look forward.
685
00:31:12,790 --> 00:31:14,450
I remember a phone call
686
00:31:14,540 --> 00:31:17,830
that Simpson made to my mother,
and he just says,
687
00:31:17,870 --> 00:31:19,500
"I can't make a life here
for the kids.
688
00:31:19,580 --> 00:31:20,700
You got to let 'em move."
689
00:31:20,790 --> 00:31:22,500
I mean, he was really,
like, being a bully.
690
00:31:22,580 --> 00:31:24,830
My mom, I guess, when, uh,
the kids came back down,
691
00:31:24,910 --> 00:31:26,870
had a conversation with them,
and Sydney said,
692
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:29,000
"Oh, God, Dita, I would love
to move to Florida.
693
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,500
I would love to go."
694
00:31:30,540 --> 00:31:33,830
And once my mom heard that,
she said, "Absolutely."
695
00:31:33,910 --> 00:31:36,000
She goes, "They can go."
They wanted to go.
696
00:31:37,870 --> 00:31:40,660
In August of 2000,
697
00:31:40,750 --> 00:31:42,370
they ended up moving to Florid.
698
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:45,080
My mom wasn't gonna
fight anymore.
699
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,080
She was sick and tired of cour.
700
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,580
She didn't want
to fight anymore.
701
00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:50,660
She wanted the kids to be happ.
702
00:31:50,750 --> 00:31:54,540
Devastating.
Really hard for her.
703
00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:56,910
Yeah.
704
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,370
I just remember her
having her nights crying.
705
00:32:00,370 --> 00:32:02,410
That was a piece
of Nicole, you know?
706
00:32:02,500 --> 00:32:03,500
And, uh...
707
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,500
And then they were gone.
708
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,200
NEWSWOMAN:
Simpson did not go
quietly into the sunset.
709
00:32:12,330 --> 00:32:14,370
When he left his home
in Southern California
710
00:32:14,450 --> 00:32:16,330
and moved to a new life
in Florida,
711
00:32:16,370 --> 00:32:18,700
Simpson could not stay
out of trouble.
712
00:32:18,790 --> 00:32:19,830
MAN:
You okay?
713
00:32:19,910 --> 00:32:20,910
When they moved to Florida,
714
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,200
I lost touch with them.
715
00:32:22,330 --> 00:32:24,160
Yeah, that was really
unfortunate.
716
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,160
I-I just stayed away from
the news as far as anything
717
00:32:27,290 --> 00:32:29,660
that had to do with O.J.
and any drama
718
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:33,040
or any antics
that were going on.
719
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,910
I completely stayed away
from everything.
720
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,160
I'm, I'm aware of a call--
721
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,330
one 911 call that happened
in Florida from Sydney.
722
00:32:48,370 --> 00:32:50,410
Just one.
That's all I know of.
723
00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:53,290
But I do remember, I think,
724
00:32:53,370 --> 00:32:55,540
him kind of pooh-poohing
at a teenager
725
00:32:55,620 --> 00:32:57,120
not getting what she wants.
726
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,080
We were definitely worried
for her safety.
727
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,000
Definitely scared to death,
thinking,
728
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,080
"Oh, my God,
what's gonna happen?"
729
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,370
You know?
She's a lot like her mother.
730
00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:08,830
Is he going to do
something to her?
731
00:33:08,910 --> 00:33:11,160
Nicole was not--
she was not a wallflower.
732
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,200
She spoke her mind.
She spoke her piece.
733
00:33:14,330 --> 00:33:16,200
Sydney does the same thing.
734
00:33:31,540 --> 00:33:32,580
In Florida?
735
00:33:32,660 --> 00:33:35,000
(chuckles)
736
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,120
That's news to me.
Honestly, that's news to me.
737
00:33:46,910 --> 00:33:48,080
Okay.
738
00:33:52,750 --> 00:33:53,660
Oh, my God.
739
00:34:00,290 --> 00:34:01,160
NEWSWOMAN:
Would he finally quiet down
740
00:34:01,330 --> 00:34:02,580
and stay out of the public eye?
741
00:34:02,660 --> 00:34:04,160
Not exactly.
742
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,330
In 2001, the FBI raided
Simpson's house
743
00:34:07,410 --> 00:34:09,290
investigating Ecstasy smugglin.
744
00:34:13,250 --> 00:34:14,750
My name is Gary Loeffert.
745
00:34:14,830 --> 00:34:17,080
I'm a retired special agent
with the FBI.
746
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,250
My name is Chris Piersza,
747
00:34:18,370 --> 00:34:21,080
and I joined the FBI in 1998.
748
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,660
That's where we met.
749
00:34:22,700 --> 00:34:24,000
That's when we started working
all our cases together,
750
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,160
sort of as, uh,
squad mates and partners.
751
00:34:26,250 --> 00:34:30,910
So in 1999, uh, we had a,
uh, an individual
752
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,120
who was laundering money, uh,
753
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,410
with one of our sources
in the Miami area.
754
00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:39,410
So the first wiretap, uh,
we did was we went up
755
00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:42,040
on an individual named
John Thorburn.
756
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:47,620
He was basically involved
in MDMA.
757
00:34:47,700 --> 00:34:50,620
Uh, sales, purchases, um,
758
00:34:50,700 --> 00:34:53,830
and he would distribute
out by South Beach.
759
00:34:53,870 --> 00:34:57,250
We quickly realized that, uh,
Andrew Anderson was
760
00:34:57,330 --> 00:35:00,540
supplying John Thorburn,
um, with the Ecstasy.
761
00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:03,330
He was higher, higher
in the organization.
762
00:35:03,410 --> 00:35:05,790
Anderson was our next
logical target
763
00:35:05,870 --> 00:35:07,950
for, uh, wiretap coverage.
764
00:35:07,950 --> 00:35:11,000
So one of the steps you take
is initiating a pen register.
765
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,910
A pen register simply gives
digits dialed by a telephone.
766
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,580
On Anderson's, uh,
numbers dialed,
767
00:35:18,660 --> 00:35:20,160
the most frequently
numbers dialed,
768
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,450
it said O.J. Simpson.
769
00:35:23,540 --> 00:35:26,200
So that's how, how we first knw
770
00:35:26,290 --> 00:35:28,870
that he was gonna come
into our investigation.
771
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,950
He came to us.
We never went to him.
772
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,450
One of the first things
773
00:35:32,540 --> 00:35:34,500
that surveillance teams were
reporting back to us were
774
00:35:34,580 --> 00:35:37,660
that O.J. Simpson was
frequently,
775
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:40,330
uh, with Andrew Anderson.
776
00:35:40,370 --> 00:35:43,830
O.J. Simpson and Andrew Anderson
would go to movies together.
777
00:35:43,870 --> 00:35:47,250
I mean, they were, clearly,
uh, very good friends.
778
00:35:47,370 --> 00:35:50,700
O.J. Simpson did, uh,
receive MDMA,
779
00:35:50,830 --> 00:35:54,120
Ecstasy, um, and other narcotis
from Andrew Anderson.
780
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,410
He was a user.
781
00:35:56,500 --> 00:36:00,330
Widespread allegations
O.J. also abused cocaine.
782
00:36:00,370 --> 00:36:02,660
NEWSMAN: Newsweek wrote
that Nicole believed
783
00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:04,160
O.J. was a drug addict
784
00:36:04,290 --> 00:36:06,410
who suffered
from wild mood swings.
785
00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:11,160
We executed nine search warrants
on December 4, 2001.
786
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,540
Mr. Simpson's house was
787
00:36:12,620 --> 00:36:14,620
part of a search warrant
application
788
00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:16,830
because of his relationship
with Andrew Anderson,
789
00:36:16,910 --> 00:36:19,080
and the presence of Anderson
at his home many--
790
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,660
on many occasions,
and the receiving of narcotics.
791
00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:24,830
We get the warrant
and like that, on the same day,
792
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:26,910
at the same time, very early
in the predawn hours,
793
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,330
we execute the search
794
00:36:28,410 --> 00:36:30,290
on Mr. Simpson's house.
795
00:36:31,370 --> 00:36:35,000
A reporter, uh, was
already there.
796
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,330
Obviously, there was
a leak in the case.
797
00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:38,540
We don't know
where it came from,
798
00:36:38,620 --> 00:36:40,500
we don't know how it happened.
799
00:36:40,620 --> 00:36:43,540
Someone knew this was
gonna happen at that time.
800
00:36:44,580 --> 00:36:46,830
He was home,
his children were home.
801
00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:49,830
At the time, the search went on
without incident.
802
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:52,250
He was seen through surveillane
803
00:36:52,330 --> 00:36:55,450
in the rear of his home
by his pool, pacing around.
804
00:36:57,450 --> 00:36:58,660
We recovered, I-I think,
805
00:36:58,750 --> 00:37:00,830
some small amounts
of marijuana residue.
806
00:37:00,870 --> 00:37:03,870
That's all that we recovered
from that house on that date.
807
00:37:03,950 --> 00:37:07,160
Were they tipped off?
I can't tell you to prove that,
808
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,330
but people were warned.
809
00:37:11,410 --> 00:37:13,450
LOEFFERT:
After the search warrant
concluded,
810
00:37:13,540 --> 00:37:15,040
I spoke to the team leader,
811
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,040
the agent who was overseeing
812
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,410
the search
at Mr. Simpson's residence,
813
00:37:19,540 --> 00:37:22,040
and I asked about the children,
you know, were they okay?
814
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,700
And he said,
"They seemed ambivalent
815
00:37:23,790 --> 00:37:25,120
and, uh,
816
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,330
kind of went, you know,
got ready for school
817
00:37:26,410 --> 00:37:29,000
and then someone
took them to school.
818
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,830
PIERSZA:
Andrew Anderson did stay
several nights
819
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:32,700
at O.J. Simpson's house
periodically.
820
00:37:32,830 --> 00:37:35,620
And there were occasions
where Andrew Anderson drove
821
00:37:35,700 --> 00:37:37,660
Mr. Simpson's, uh,
children to school.
822
00:37:37,790 --> 00:37:39,330
I wouldn't let my kids
stay at that house,
823
00:37:39,410 --> 00:37:41,660
but that's what was
going on there, yes.
824
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:43,620
♪
825
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,830
It makes me angry to think
826
00:37:49,870 --> 00:37:53,160
that the kids would have been
subjected to things like that.
827
00:37:53,290 --> 00:37:55,370
And when we were
in child-child custody case,
828
00:37:55,450 --> 00:37:57,250
they said that we weren't
suitable.
829
00:37:57,330 --> 00:37:59,450
Is, was the-the reasoning
behind it
830
00:37:59,540 --> 00:38:01,080
that we weren't suitable
831
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,830
to be parents to them?
832
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:05,950
And then, this is
what they're subjected to?
833
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,500
Yeah, it makes me really angry.
834
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,370
Makes me really angry.
835
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,200
Those poor kids have been
836
00:38:16,290 --> 00:38:19,250
through a lot of stuff.
837
00:38:19,330 --> 00:38:21,370
Who was there to protect them?
838
00:38:22,290 --> 00:38:23,580
There is a lot of irony
839
00:38:23,660 --> 00:38:25,700
that Nicole was portrayed
as the party girl
840
00:38:25,830 --> 00:38:28,660
when O.J.'s house is
getting raided for drugs.
841
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,660
(voice breaking): God, that's
so freaking heartbreaking
842
00:38:33,700 --> 00:38:35,870
to think that they had
to live like that.
843
00:38:35,950 --> 00:38:38,620
And I didn't even know
the half of it.
844
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:40,580
And then he wanted to take them.
845
00:38:40,700 --> 00:38:42,790
God, I wish my mom
would have said no.
846
00:38:44,830 --> 00:38:46,500
God, how awful.
847
00:38:47,540 --> 00:38:51,700
God, I can't even imagine
what their life was like.
848
00:38:53,540 --> 00:38:56,410
I know this happens
to other children in the world.
849
00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:58,370
I know that they see
horrible things,
850
00:38:58,450 --> 00:39:01,000
but, God, when it hits
so close to home,
851
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,410
I mean, you just want
to grab them and just...
852
00:39:05,330 --> 00:39:07,500
DOMINIQUE:
Denise's son Sean and my son
853
00:39:07,580 --> 00:39:11,330
lost their aunt,
who we were with all the tim.
854
00:39:11,410 --> 00:39:13,700
Rocks?
Let's see your rocks, Seaners.
855
00:39:14,750 --> 00:39:17,000
-Let's see.
-SYDNEY: There you are.
856
00:39:18,540 --> 00:39:20,290
DOMINIQUE:
That's a big deal
857
00:39:20,370 --> 00:39:22,580
with their little hearts.
858
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:25,450
DENISE:
She didn't get
to see them grow up.
859
00:39:25,540 --> 00:39:28,160
She didn't get to see them
have kids
860
00:39:28,250 --> 00:39:30,830
and have a life and graduate.
861
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:34,660
And he killed her
before she could do anything.
862
00:39:34,750 --> 00:39:36,450
[inhales, sobs]
863
00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:42,500
I was just so sure
he was gonna go to jail.
864
00:39:42,540 --> 00:39:44,160
I thought he would, I...
865
00:39:44,250 --> 00:39:48,000
So I didn't think my friendship
with the kids would be changed.
866
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,120
But it was.
867
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,160
Maybe five to eight years after,
868
00:39:55,250 --> 00:39:57,500
that was the last time
that I saw Sydney.
869
00:39:59,250 --> 00:40:02,290
And I want her to know
870
00:40:02,370 --> 00:40:06,290
that I love her
and her brother very much.
871
00:40:06,370 --> 00:40:08,580
And I would never do
anything to harm them.
872
00:40:11,950 --> 00:40:12,950
Does she?
873
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,330
See, I don't even know.
874
00:40:14,370 --> 00:40:15,910
I don't even know that.
875
00:40:19,950 --> 00:40:21,910
I'm happy for her.
876
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,290
How about, how about...
877
00:40:27,370 --> 00:40:29,040
(sniffles) ...Justin?
878
00:40:34,540 --> 00:40:37,080
Oh. You know,
I got to tell you,
879
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,000
Nicole would have been
the best grandma ever.
880
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,040
♪
881
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,000
D'ANNE:
I... (sniffles)
882
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,950
I'm so happy for both of them.
883
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,410
I really am.
884
00:40:54,540 --> 00:40:57,250
God, I'm sorry for Nicole.
885
00:40:58,370 --> 00:41:00,000
NICOLE:
You know what?
You're gonna love these tapes
886
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,120
when you get older,
887
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,160
especially when you have kids.
888
00:41:10,290 --> 00:41:12,200
NEWSMAN: Near the Bundy cond,
1,500 protesters gathered.
889
00:41:12,290 --> 00:41:15,370
Nicole's sister Denise
helped lead the charge.
890
00:41:15,450 --> 00:41:18,410
If he ever says
he's going to kill you,
891
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:21,160
eventually, one day he will.
892
00:41:21,250 --> 00:41:22,950
They do kill.
893
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,620
When I started going out
and speaking, it was...
894
00:41:27,700 --> 00:41:31,330
It was about the injustice
that was happening to my sister.
895
00:41:31,410 --> 00:41:33,700
There was such an injustice
896
00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:35,620
in how they were painting her
897
00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:37,120
as this party girl.
898
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,750
They were painting her
as this person that she was not.
899
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:45,330
Denise didn't understand
what she does now about abuse.
900
00:41:45,450 --> 00:41:46,700
She became an expert.
901
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:50,290
She learned about what's
happening, really learned,
902
00:41:50,290 --> 00:41:53,700
and consulted and joined forces
with other people,
903
00:41:53,790 --> 00:41:56,330
and-and they got stuff done.
904
00:41:56,410 --> 00:41:59,790
I could see this protective,
905
00:41:59,870 --> 00:42:03,620
valiant, strong older sister
906
00:42:03,700 --> 00:42:07,330
who knew that she had to be
the spokesperson for the family.
907
00:42:07,410 --> 00:42:09,290
That's kind of
where it all started.
908
00:42:09,370 --> 00:42:10,540
And she says,
do you want to do this?
909
00:42:10,620 --> 00:42:12,200
I said, yes, let's do it.
910
00:42:12,330 --> 00:42:13,830
We would schedule
911
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:17,450
all across America at that tim.
912
00:42:17,540 --> 00:42:18,750
We counted 45 states.
913
00:42:18,830 --> 00:42:20,830
After reading her notes
and diaries,
914
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:22,950
we realized that Nicole
was a battered woman.
915
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,830
My hope is that domestic
violence will be stopped.
916
00:42:25,870 --> 00:42:29,200
My hope's that, uh,
people will understand
917
00:42:29,290 --> 00:42:31,620
that if he hits you once,
he will hit you again.
918
00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:33,540
If we can save one life,
919
00:42:33,660 --> 00:42:35,660
I'll be a very,
very happy person.
920
00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:38,370
We were supposed to be going to,
I think, Cleveland.
921
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:41,370
I get this strange call.
922
00:42:41,450 --> 00:42:42,790
I said, I think this is D.C.
923
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:44,790
And he says, hi,
this is Chris, uh,
924
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:47,160
from Senator Joe Biden's office.
925
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,660
I said, oh, hi.
926
00:42:48,700 --> 00:42:51,000
And he said, is it possible
927
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,700
to have Ms. Brown
here tomorrow morning?
928
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:59,540
They desperately needed Denise
to, uh, come help them
929
00:42:59,620 --> 00:43:02,200
save the
Violence Against Women Act.
930
00:43:02,330 --> 00:43:04,160
You know, the Violence Against
Women Act was being written,
931
00:43:04,290 --> 00:43:06,370
it was being, it was being
pushed through Congress.
932
00:43:06,450 --> 00:43:08,870
It had stalled in 1994.
933
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,290
The critical factor
to get the bill moving again
934
00:43:11,370 --> 00:43:14,450
was that Denise Brown
was brought in to testify.
935
00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:17,790
That was probably
the scariest thing ever
936
00:43:17,870 --> 00:43:20,410
besides going into the criminal
court and being on the stand.
937
00:43:20,540 --> 00:43:23,910
But walking in there
938
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,000
and seeing this
and going, oh, my God.
939
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,160
Oh, my God,
this is really crazy.
940
00:43:28,250 --> 00:43:30,000
It is the women whose deaths
941
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,950
don't make it
on the evening news
942
00:43:31,950 --> 00:43:34,750
who are counting on this
Congress to do what is right.
943
00:43:34,830 --> 00:43:38,000
Nicole's murder really helped
increase national awareness
944
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,620
and support for
the Violence Against Women Act.
945
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:45,790
And I think also very clearly
showed the way that
946
00:43:45,870 --> 00:43:49,660
domestic abuse can
escalate to murder.
947
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:52,330
DENISE:
I thought,
I couldn't help Nicole,
948
00:43:52,410 --> 00:43:54,250
but maybe
I can save another life.
949
00:43:54,330 --> 00:43:58,040
And it's a dirty little secret
that nobody wants to talk about.
950
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,290
I said, no, we're gonna
talk about it.
951
00:44:01,370 --> 00:44:05,160
I go to, um, to the prisons,
I-I see the batterers.
952
00:44:05,250 --> 00:44:07,830
I see the victims.
I go to the shelters.
953
00:44:07,950 --> 00:44:10,830
I see the little children,
I see the looks on their faces.
954
00:44:10,910 --> 00:44:13,830
What I did, and moving forward
955
00:44:13,870 --> 00:44:16,660
and trying to help victims
of domestic violence,
956
00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:18,160
did he try to do
anything like that?
957
00:44:19,540 --> 00:44:20,750
WOMAN:
Whoa!
958
00:44:20,830 --> 00:44:22,160
-See that yellow flag?
-Yeah.
959
00:44:22,250 --> 00:44:24,700
-That's amazing--
-♪ They call me Juice ♪
960
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:26,540
♪ The Juice. ♪
961
00:44:26,540 --> 00:44:29,200
DENISE:
All he cared about was
going on the golf course
962
00:44:29,330 --> 00:44:30,500
and trying to find the killer.
963
00:44:30,580 --> 00:44:33,660
"I will pursue,
as my primary goal in life,
964
00:44:33,700 --> 00:44:35,410
"the killer or killers
965
00:44:35,540 --> 00:44:37,660
who slaughtered Nicole
and Mr. Goldman."
966
00:44:37,700 --> 00:44:39,000
Victims of domestic violence
967
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,450
were a heck
of a lot more important
968
00:44:40,540 --> 00:44:42,160
than trying to find the killer
969
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,250
when he's staring you
right in the face.
970
00:44:45,450 --> 00:44:47,330
You know, every day,
you wake up in the morning
971
00:44:47,410 --> 00:44:49,750
and you look at yourself
in the mirror and there you are.
972
00:44:49,830 --> 00:44:52,410
Hello. We found you.
973
00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:55,410
O.J. said to me that he, uh,
had a surprise for me.
974
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:57,120
I think it was
his idea of a joke.
975
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,660
My producer said
he was looking for a knife,
976
00:44:59,750 --> 00:45:01,830
uh, from somebody who
had ordered room service,
977
00:45:01,870 --> 00:45:03,910
but he couldn't find one.
978
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,250
He decided to stab me
with a banana.
979
00:45:06,370 --> 00:45:07,330
And this is it.
980
00:45:07,370 --> 00:45:10,200
(imitating Psycho score)
981
00:45:12,580 --> 00:45:14,660
Sydney used to tell me
when they got older
982
00:45:14,750 --> 00:45:17,250
that any time anybody went
on TV and made statements
983
00:45:17,330 --> 00:45:20,500
that they would get more meda
following them around
984
00:45:20,580 --> 00:45:22,330
and they didn't like it.
985
00:45:22,370 --> 00:45:28,370
I-I know they don't like
being reminded of it, at all.
986
00:45:28,450 --> 00:45:32,120
And certain things that have
been written and so on,
987
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,290
they were resentful
about reading.
988
00:45:34,370 --> 00:45:36,750
And I don't blame them.
989
00:45:36,830 --> 00:45:39,540
They just want to
be normal, normal kids
990
00:45:39,620 --> 00:45:42,160
and just raise families.
991
00:45:42,250 --> 00:45:46,250
And I think that's primarily why
they haven't been in the media.
992
00:45:46,330 --> 00:45:47,540
They haven't spoken
to the media,
993
00:45:47,660 --> 00:45:49,620
and they don't like the media.
994
00:45:49,700 --> 00:45:51,580
They say that as soon
as there's anything
995
00:45:51,660 --> 00:45:52,950
in the media, they get hounded.
996
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,830
At least
that's what Sydney says.
997
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:58,750
So, Denise and I didn't talk
for a long time.
998
00:45:58,830 --> 00:46:01,830
Yeah, when she got more public,
999
00:46:01,950 --> 00:46:04,330
we didn't talk for years.
1000
00:46:05,370 --> 00:46:08,830
I think it was harder for me
or for our relationship
1001
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:12,000
with the kids because
I was so vocal on talking
1002
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,500
about his guilt
and saying he was guilty.
1003
00:46:14,540 --> 00:46:16,120
And then I was talking
about Sydney and Justin
1004
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,580
and I don't think they like that
very much, either.
1005
00:46:18,700 --> 00:46:20,870
If I didn't go out and speak,
1006
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:22,950
I was letting my sister down.
1007
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:27,120
If I did go out and speak,
I was letting them down.
1008
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,500
I wouldn't be a sister,
a real, true sister,
1009
00:46:34,540 --> 00:46:36,330
and love my sister
as much as I did
1010
00:46:36,450 --> 00:46:38,160
if I wouldn't do this for her.
1011
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,290
♪
1012
00:46:54,250 --> 00:46:57,500
FAYE: It was like
the end of innocence.
1013
00:46:57,580 --> 00:47:00,620
It was like all of a sudden
we had to grow up
1014
00:47:00,700 --> 00:47:03,000
in a terrible world.
1015
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,790
And see terrible things.
1016
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:10,750
I want to exorcise
1017
00:47:10,830 --> 00:47:12,870
from my mind
1018
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,500
a girl laying on the sidewalk
in a little black dress
1019
00:47:15,620 --> 00:47:17,660
and a pool of blood,
1020
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:20,040
because that's not who she was.
1021
00:47:21,370 --> 00:47:23,870
JUDIE: I would like Nicole
to be remembered
1022
00:47:23,950 --> 00:47:28,660
for a beautiful, vibrant,
1023
00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:31,660
authentic daughter,
1024
00:47:31,790 --> 00:47:36,120
wife, mother and someone
1025
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,580
to be admired
for all her good qualities.
1026
00:47:39,870 --> 00:47:43,000
KRIS: And just so generous
and just so willing
1027
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,080
to give of herself
and her heart and her time
1028
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,580
and help anybody that needed it.
1029
00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:53,950
JIM: She was humble.
She was fun.
1030
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,870
And a true friend.
1031
00:47:55,950 --> 00:47:59,000
She would defend you
to the ends of the earth.
1032
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,700
I know I've said it
a "thousand times" thing,
1033
00:48:00,790 --> 00:48:02,330
but she was, she's--
1034
00:48:02,370 --> 00:48:05,450
She's that picture
of Mom of the Year.
1035
00:48:05,540 --> 00:48:06,950
She's it.
1036
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,580
I hope that by keeping
her memory alive,
1037
00:48:11,660 --> 00:48:13,950
the person that she really was,
1038
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,000
that maybe it could help
1039
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,540
someone else out there
1040
00:48:19,660 --> 00:48:22,160
that is another Nicole
1041
00:48:22,250 --> 00:48:25,910
get out of something that might
1042
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:27,870
ruin their lives
or take their lives.
1043
00:48:29,660 --> 00:48:32,830
D'ANNE: Nicole was truly
one of the special people
1044
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:37,540
that welcomes you into her home
and her family.
1045
00:48:37,540 --> 00:48:42,370
And I want the world to know
that we missed out.
1046
00:48:42,450 --> 00:48:44,450
We all missed out.
1047
00:48:44,540 --> 00:48:45,910
I-I just...
1048
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,040
cathartically want
to talk about her,
1049
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,700
talk about who she was,
what she was to me,
1050
00:48:51,790 --> 00:48:53,290
what she was to other people,
1051
00:48:53,370 --> 00:48:58,000
and how I will never,
ever regret meeting her.
1052
00:49:01,330 --> 00:49:05,660
No one should be remembered
for their last moments,
1053
00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:07,870
their last hours,
their last day.
1054
00:49:07,870 --> 00:49:12,040
Everyone should be remembered
for all that went before that.
1055
00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:17,660
And with Nicole,
there were beautiful times.
1056
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:19,950
And she's a beautiful person.
1057
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,330
And we all are finite.
1058
00:49:24,410 --> 00:49:28,200
So, remember while we were here,
not how we left.
1059
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:38,330
PRODUCER:
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1060
00:49:39,870 --> 00:49:41,500
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1061
00:49:41,580 --> 00:49:42,750
Speed.
1062
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:44,040
PRODUCER:
Thank you, thank you.
1063
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:56,040
You know, it's funny,
because I was angry
1064
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,830
for probably 13 years
after Nicole's murder.
1065
00:49:59,910 --> 00:50:02,950
But I realized
while we were here,
1066
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,290
I still have a lot
of anger in me, you know?
1067
00:50:06,370 --> 00:50:07,910
And then you have to sit there
and you have to think,
1068
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:09,450
okay, well, there was
great things, too,
1069
00:50:09,540 --> 00:50:11,830
and there was nice people, too,
and things like that.
1070
00:50:11,950 --> 00:50:15,620
So, it took me probably
about 13 years.
1071
00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:19,660
What gets me is that
I was getting the point to...
1072
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:21,200
I was getting to know her.
1073
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,700
And it was really a shame
because I was...
1074
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:28,250
I was looking forward to that,
doing more of that, like,
1075
00:50:28,330 --> 00:50:30,620
hey, Nic, let's go do lunch,
you know?
1076
00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:32,700
Let's do coffee, or, you know,
1077
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:34,790
I'll come up
and spend some time.
1078
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:37,750
-And that's what
I missed out on.
-DOMINIQUE: Yeah.
1079
00:50:37,830 --> 00:50:40,950
You're so afraid that
you're gonna forget someone.
1080
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,330
DENISE:
Yeah.
1081
00:50:42,410 --> 00:50:44,870
Because you're afraid
that so much time passes
1082
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:47,830
that you're not gonna remember
1083
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:50,120
what their voice sounds like.
1084
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,000
And I remember, you know?
1085
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,620
-It feels really good to me.
-Oh, that's nice.
1086
00:50:55,700 --> 00:50:58,330
-It feels really good to me.
-Oh, I'm so glad. Yeah.
1087
00:50:58,370 --> 00:51:01,290
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1088
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,040
♪
1089
00:51:31,790 --> 00:51:34,450
-Mwah.
-(cooing)
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