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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,330 --> 00:00:06,160 D'ANNE: Denise answered the phone 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:07,830 and she said, "D'Anne, 3 00:00:07,910 --> 00:00:09,500 it's Nicole." 4 00:00:10,500 --> 00:00:12,200 A.C.: He said the kids were fine. 5 00:00:12,290 --> 00:00:13,700 They were at the police station. 6 00:00:13,790 --> 00:00:14,660 DENISE: What the kids 7 00:00:14,790 --> 00:00:15,750 could have heard. 8 00:00:15,830 --> 00:00:17,000 What are they thinking? 9 00:00:17,080 --> 00:00:18,330 I made a promise to Nicole 10 00:00:18,410 --> 00:00:20,870 that I would do everything in my power 11 00:00:20,870 --> 00:00:21,830 to protect them. 12 00:00:21,910 --> 00:00:22,950 (sirens wailing) 13 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:24,330 D'ANNE: We know where he is. 14 00:00:24,410 --> 00:00:27,660 He's on the 405 Freeway, coming down here to us. 15 00:00:27,700 --> 00:00:30,660 When I was told I would never be able to testify, 16 00:00:30,750 --> 00:00:31,700 I was gonna get 17 00:00:31,790 --> 00:00:32,830 that information out there 18 00:00:32,910 --> 00:00:34,080 someway, somehow. 19 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:36,540 The controversy was, Faye felt that she 20 00:00:36,620 --> 00:00:39,580 had to show some of the flaws in Nicole. 21 00:00:39,660 --> 00:00:41,870 It wasn't as if any of us are saints. 22 00:00:41,950 --> 00:00:43,040 Nicole, 23 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:44,500 she had a safe deposit box. 24 00:00:44,580 --> 00:00:45,660 Then she had a... 25 00:00:45,700 --> 00:00:46,750 diary. 26 00:00:46,830 --> 00:00:49,250 Essentially a list of abuse. 27 00:00:49,330 --> 00:00:51,290 It still gives me chills. 28 00:00:51,370 --> 00:00:53,200 DENISE: Why can't I protect her? 29 00:00:53,290 --> 00:00:55,120 Why didn't she just leave? 30 00:01:01,660 --> 00:01:02,660 He was guilty. 31 00:01:02,700 --> 00:01:04,830 No question. 32 00:01:04,870 --> 00:01:07,000 In my mind, O.J. Simpson's guilty. 33 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:08,870 I believed from the very, very beginning 34 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,160 that-that he was guilty. 35 00:01:10,250 --> 00:01:12,080 Oh, guilty as hell. 36 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:13,580 S-Simpson? 37 00:01:13,580 --> 00:01:15,330 There was no doubt in my mind that... 38 00:01:15,370 --> 00:01:18,540 O.J. was guilty of these murders. 39 00:01:18,540 --> 00:01:20,330 I mean, everything pointed to him. 40 00:01:20,370 --> 00:01:22,160 It's like, the only thing that wasn't left behind is 41 00:01:22,250 --> 00:01:24,330 "Hello, my name is O.J." tag. 42 00:01:24,370 --> 00:01:26,290 I don't think anybody knows. 43 00:01:26,290 --> 00:01:28,580 Weird things happen all the time 44 00:01:28,700 --> 00:01:32,500 that can't be explained or that don't seem logical. 45 00:01:32,540 --> 00:01:35,870 I can't say that that's not the situation here. 46 00:01:35,950 --> 00:01:37,200 You show me any real evidence 47 00:01:37,290 --> 00:01:39,080 and I'll go look for a real suspect. 48 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,750 There is nothing that points in any other direction 49 00:01:41,830 --> 00:01:42,830 than O.J. Simpson. 50 00:01:42,950 --> 00:01:45,910 I believe that O.J. took that knife. 51 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,790 I believe he was trying to scare Nicole 52 00:01:49,870 --> 00:01:51,160 and he got carried away. 53 00:01:51,250 --> 00:01:53,040 And I do believe he did it. 54 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,000 A lot of people turned around to say, 55 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,000 "Well, he was found innocent." 56 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,540 "Not guilty" does not mean you're innocent. 57 00:02:01,660 --> 00:02:03,200 (exhales) 58 00:02:03,290 --> 00:02:05,080 There are kids involved, 59 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,160 and they don't know their mother. 60 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,370 I knew that somebody was to blame, 61 00:02:09,450 --> 00:02:12,370 and I-I knew that, somehow... 62 00:02:12,450 --> 00:02:14,660 there was involvement. 63 00:02:14,790 --> 00:02:16,330 I didn't know to what extent. 64 00:02:16,410 --> 00:02:18,450 You know what I mean? I-I didn't... 65 00:02:19,830 --> 00:02:21,950 I still don't know. 66 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,200 ♪ 67 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,250 (clamoring) 68 00:02:56,370 --> 00:03:00,330 MAN: I found 49 cameramen, 25 anchors, 69 00:03:00,410 --> 00:03:01,700 20 producers I could see, 70 00:03:01,790 --> 00:03:03,160 but a lot of them were inside a truck. 71 00:03:03,250 --> 00:03:06,080 (speaking Spanish) 72 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:07,540 (speaking foreign language) 73 00:03:07,620 --> 00:03:11,000 MAN 2: This was a jury of, uh, millios 74 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:12,330 and hundreds of millions of people. 75 00:03:12,370 --> 00:03:13,500 NEWSMAN: What's your verdict? 76 00:03:13,580 --> 00:03:16,120 Is O.J. Simpson guilty or innocent? 77 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,000 DENISE: Oh, my God, 78 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,580 what a nightmare we lived. 79 00:03:20,660 --> 00:03:23,120 We were driving down to go to court 80 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,250 and hearing the helicopters... 81 00:03:26,330 --> 00:03:29,040 ...and listening to the play-by-play on the radi. 82 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:30,870 "Oh, yeah, they're following the van, 83 00:03:30,950 --> 00:03:33,250 and the van is going to the criminal court." 84 00:03:33,330 --> 00:03:36,830 -That's Nicole's mother and sister. You get that? -Write down "10:58:38." 85 00:03:36,870 --> 00:03:41,410 We would be driven underneath the courthouse into... 86 00:03:41,500 --> 00:03:43,290 the basement down there. 87 00:03:43,370 --> 00:03:47,750 And underground is also where the criminals go 88 00:03:47,830 --> 00:03:48,750 in the buses. 89 00:03:48,830 --> 00:03:50,870 So we were down there, and then they... 90 00:03:50,950 --> 00:03:54,290 took us up to, you know, the criminal court. 91 00:03:54,370 --> 00:03:57,000 And that was, like, every day 92 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:58,540 for 18 months. 93 00:04:00,870 --> 00:04:04,120 I was the Criminal Courts reporter at City News Service. 94 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,160 I was there every day, all day. 95 00:04:08,250 --> 00:04:10,450 There was an entire camp of news vans 96 00:04:10,540 --> 00:04:12,790 and vehicles across the street. 97 00:04:12,870 --> 00:04:14,000 We called it "Camp O.J." 98 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:15,120 There was 99 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:16,700 an entire separate press room 100 00:04:16,790 --> 00:04:19,200 on the 11th floor full of people, 101 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:20,200 and there was a listening room. 102 00:04:20,290 --> 00:04:21,450 (indistinct chatter) 103 00:04:21,540 --> 00:04:24,160 There was such an insatiable appetite 104 00:04:24,290 --> 00:04:27,000 from the public for details of this story. 105 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,000 -(honking) -NEWSWOMAN: The attention-seekers, 106 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,160 the curious. 107 00:04:30,250 --> 00:04:32,160 Please don't forget the victim! 108 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,160 It was a cash cow for so many organizations. 109 00:04:35,250 --> 00:04:37,830 Police, security. 110 00:04:37,910 --> 00:04:40,660 Everything around that trial went from... 111 00:04:40,750 --> 00:04:42,160 justice... 112 00:04:42,250 --> 00:04:43,910 to a business opportunity. 113 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,120 On the days that I would go over to the criminal courthouse-- 114 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,250 many days-- I would pass through 115 00:04:48,330 --> 00:04:52,750 vendors selling bumper stickers or clothing. 116 00:04:52,830 --> 00:04:54,250 O.J. today. O.J. 117 00:04:54,330 --> 00:04:55,790 This, ladies and gentlemen, 118 00:04:55,870 --> 00:04:58,950 is the O.J. watch. 119 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:00,830 Featuring... 120 00:05:00,950 --> 00:05:03,250 a spinning car-- police car-- 121 00:05:03,330 --> 00:05:06,330 chasing a spinning white Bronco. 122 00:05:06,410 --> 00:05:08,660 (laughing): Oh, it's got a compass on it, too. 123 00:05:08,750 --> 00:05:09,870 Why not? 124 00:05:09,950 --> 00:05:11,500 I remember that the 125 00:05:11,620 --> 00:05:14,370 sort of pop culture aspects of this throughout. 126 00:05:14,450 --> 00:05:16,200 I remember the Dancing Itos. 127 00:05:16,330 --> 00:05:18,790 (audience laughing) 128 00:05:18,870 --> 00:05:20,620 "Weekend Update" and Norm Macdonald, 129 00:05:20,700 --> 00:05:22,330 you know, sort of with a cocked eyebrow 130 00:05:22,370 --> 00:05:24,870 indicating how guilty he thought, uh, Simpson was. 131 00:05:24,950 --> 00:05:28,950 The book is entitled God Himself Told Me That O.J. Is Guilty. 132 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,500 (laughter, applause) 133 00:05:30,540 --> 00:05:34,750 Norm Macdonald ultimately lost his "Weekend Update" gig 134 00:05:34,870 --> 00:05:35,830 because Don Ohlmeyer, 135 00:05:35,910 --> 00:05:37,500 an NBC executive, 136 00:05:37,580 --> 00:05:38,950 was good friends with O.J. 137 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:40,000 NEWTON: Really, 138 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:41,750 the sense of it-- of the tr-- 139 00:05:41,830 --> 00:05:44,790 of the case lifting off from a criminal proceeding 140 00:05:44,870 --> 00:05:46,830 and becoming this kind of cultural phenomenon 141 00:05:46,910 --> 00:05:49,830 was strange to observe. 142 00:05:49,870 --> 00:05:51,580 Let's talk a little about O.J., please, 143 00:05:51,660 --> 00:05:54,040 because I have to get it off my chest. 144 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,000 O.J. O.J. was big. 145 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:57,370 That's right. 146 00:05:57,500 --> 00:05:59,580 Black people too happy, white people too mad. 147 00:05:59,700 --> 00:06:01,790 Every time I see that walk, I think he did it. You see him? 148 00:06:01,870 --> 00:06:03,700 -He used to do that... -(laughter) 149 00:06:04,660 --> 00:06:06,410 Oh, no! O.J. has struck again. 150 00:06:06,500 --> 00:06:07,870 -How about that? -(laughter) 151 00:06:07,950 --> 00:06:09,160 (applause, whooping) 152 00:06:09,250 --> 00:06:11,000 How the (bleep) I'm-a drop a glove 153 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,500 -at the scene of the crime? -(laughter, applause) 154 00:06:13,540 --> 00:06:16,200 He hit his first wife. He didn't kill her. 155 00:06:16,290 --> 00:06:17,660 -Ah! Okay. Yeah. -(laughter) 156 00:06:17,750 --> 00:06:19,330 DAVID: The hardest part is, 157 00:06:19,410 --> 00:06:21,250 let's say you're watching a sitcom. 158 00:06:21,330 --> 00:06:23,040 Wouldn't you know it? It won't fit. 159 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,000 -Ooh! -Aah! Oh, my God! 160 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:26,660 -It doesn't fit. -Look at that. 161 00:06:26,700 --> 00:06:29,620 If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit. 162 00:06:29,700 --> 00:06:31,200 damn, I hate that Cochran guy. 163 00:06:31,290 --> 00:06:34,160 You know, it's-it's just ridiculous. 164 00:06:34,250 --> 00:06:36,370 And it wasn't a joke to me. 165 00:06:36,450 --> 00:06:40,330 Yeah, it's two people that lost their lives 166 00:06:40,410 --> 00:06:42,700 by somebody's hand. 167 00:06:42,790 --> 00:06:44,250 There was so much stuff going on 168 00:06:44,370 --> 00:06:46,370 and dirt and trash and this and that. 169 00:06:46,450 --> 00:06:47,790 It was just ridiculous. 170 00:06:47,870 --> 00:06:49,330 Everything was just real ridiculous. 171 00:06:49,410 --> 00:06:52,500 It was overblown and, um... 172 00:06:52,580 --> 00:06:54,450 nonsensical, really. 173 00:06:54,450 --> 00:06:56,750 Because it didn't have to do... 174 00:06:56,830 --> 00:06:58,830 with the murder 175 00:06:58,870 --> 00:07:00,910 of Ron and Nicole. 176 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,700 NEWSMAN: The prosecution's diary of Nicole's terror 177 00:07:06,790 --> 00:07:08,660 are a key part of the D.A.'s case. 178 00:07:08,750 --> 00:07:11,080 NEWSWOMAN: Reports are, the brutal imags 179 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,040 were tucked away here in a safe deposit box. 180 00:07:15,700 --> 00:07:17,870 NEWTON: What became more clear, 181 00:07:17,870 --> 00:07:20,450 especially once the contents of the safe deposit box 182 00:07:20,540 --> 00:07:22,580 were revealed, 183 00:07:22,660 --> 00:07:24,790 was that Nicole had been injured on occasion. 184 00:07:24,870 --> 00:07:27,330 Her diary and the letters from Simpson- 185 00:07:27,450 --> 00:07:32,660 I mean, all of it just gave illumination to, 186 00:07:32,750 --> 00:07:36,830 really, a protracted, violent, threatening marriage. 187 00:07:36,950 --> 00:07:38,830 It was not in the defense's interest 188 00:07:38,910 --> 00:07:42,330 to vilify Nicole Simpson, exactly. 189 00:07:42,370 --> 00:07:46,200 Um, but it was in their interest to... 190 00:07:46,290 --> 00:07:49,950 portray her as sort of an equal participant in the violence. 191 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,000 BLASIER: My name is Robert Blasier. 192 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,500 Uh, I am a defense attorney. 193 00:07:55,580 --> 00:07:57,660 I was one of the attorneys 194 00:07:57,700 --> 00:08:01,540 in both the criminal and civil O.J. Simpson case. 195 00:08:01,620 --> 00:08:02,620 The evidence seemed to be 196 00:08:02,700 --> 00:08:05,290 pretty clear that, uh, 197 00:08:05,370 --> 00:08:08,700 Nicole Brown Simpson and-and O.J. Simpson 198 00:08:08,700 --> 00:08:12,580 had a very violent situation between the two of them. 199 00:08:12,660 --> 00:08:15,580 It wasn't, kind of, one person dominates 200 00:08:15,660 --> 00:08:17,500 and the other person is submissive. 201 00:08:17,580 --> 00:08:20,750 They were both very forceful-type people. 202 00:08:20,830 --> 00:08:23,910 In situations where there's domestic violence, 203 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,200 homicides generally don't result. 204 00:08:28,410 --> 00:08:30,160 NEWSMAN: For two days now, the diary, 205 00:08:30,250 --> 00:08:32,950 or "divorce memo," as the defense calls it, 206 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,370 has been the topic of the live TV court coverag. 207 00:08:35,450 --> 00:08:38,160 MAN: According to the defense, this is not a diary. 208 00:08:38,250 --> 00:08:39,500 This document is 209 00:08:39,580 --> 00:08:41,500 something prepared by Nicole Simpson 210 00:08:41,580 --> 00:08:43,870 for use by her divorce lawyer years later. 211 00:08:43,870 --> 00:08:48,040 They were trying to get rid of a lot of the evidence. 212 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,580 I decided to go upstairs 213 00:08:50,660 --> 00:08:53,500 and I went with this young girl 214 00:08:53,580 --> 00:08:55,950 and I said, "I want to speak." 215 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,450 It was clear that Denise Brown's comments were not spontaneous. 216 00:08:59,450 --> 00:09:00,830 In fact, she came up 217 00:09:00,910 --> 00:09:02,700 to the 18th floor of the Criminal Courts Buildin, 218 00:09:02,790 --> 00:09:04,910 made her way down this hallway 219 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,580 into the office of City News Service, 220 00:09:07,660 --> 00:09:10,290 and sought out reporter Shoreen Maghame. 221 00:09:10,370 --> 00:09:11,830 All of a sudden, Denise is there. 222 00:09:11,910 --> 00:09:14,790 It wasn't a long interview. She left pretty quickly. 223 00:09:14,870 --> 00:09:17,160 And some of the other reporters who were there got wind of it 224 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:18,620 and they started coming in, asking her questions, too, 225 00:09:18,700 --> 00:09:20,620 but she ended up leaving. 226 00:09:20,700 --> 00:09:22,540 And I remember she said... 227 00:09:22,660 --> 00:09:25,080 Her famous quote from that was... 228 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,040 LALAMA (reading): 229 00:09:29,870 --> 00:09:32,330 Clearly, Denise Brown is a, uh, 230 00:09:32,410 --> 00:09:34,250 relative of a victim 231 00:09:34,330 --> 00:09:35,620 and she's not a lawyer. 232 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,370 JUDIE: Denise became kind of the... 233 00:09:39,450 --> 00:09:42,000 spokesperson for everybody. 234 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,410 And, um... Mini 235 00:09:46,500 --> 00:09:49,370 was more reticent to discuss any... 236 00:09:49,450 --> 00:09:50,660 any of it. 237 00:09:50,790 --> 00:09:52,000 I was taking care of the kids 238 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:53,830 and I was doing things. 239 00:09:53,910 --> 00:09:55,750 You know, call it distraction, 240 00:09:55,830 --> 00:09:58,290 call it coping, call it... 241 00:09:59,410 --> 00:10:01,000 ...playing. 242 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:02,660 We played. 243 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:06,330 (inhales deeply) 244 00:10:06,450 --> 00:10:09,200 And we played and we played. 245 00:10:10,370 --> 00:10:11,500 We're gonna play? 246 00:10:11,580 --> 00:10:13,160 Are we gonna play? 247 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,330 DOMINIQUE: Until... 248 00:10:15,370 --> 00:10:17,250 we couldn't play anymore. 249 00:10:18,660 --> 00:10:21,750 D'ANNE: I remember Dominique told me, she said, 250 00:10:21,830 --> 00:10:26,950 "I had to go in and ask to see pictures of..." 251 00:10:28,370 --> 00:10:32,700 "...Nicole's body because 252 00:10:32,790 --> 00:10:36,660 I just could not get angry at O.J." 253 00:10:36,750 --> 00:10:39,910 She loved him. They were family. 254 00:10:44,330 --> 00:10:47,950 There were a lot of tears and more stories of physical abuse 255 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,160 today in court as Nicole's sister Denise took the stand. 256 00:10:51,250 --> 00:10:52,660 NEWSWOMAN: Denise Brown's ex-boyfriend 257 00:10:52,700 --> 00:10:53,700 Stuart Chesler 258 00:10:53,790 --> 00:10:55,410 watched her tearful testimony 259 00:10:55,500 --> 00:10:56,700 of abuse. 260 00:10:56,700 --> 00:10:58,750 CHESLER: This is hard for her to do. 261 00:10:58,830 --> 00:11:00,250 Hang in there, Denise. 262 00:11:04,660 --> 00:11:06,660 The journals, the notes, 263 00:11:06,700 --> 00:11:08,160 the diaries, they did not make it in. 264 00:11:08,250 --> 00:11:10,660 I was the only one that made it into the criminal trial. 265 00:11:10,750 --> 00:11:13,000 DARDEN: The People call Denise Brown. 266 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,160 DENISE: I was asked because I was a part of 267 00:11:15,250 --> 00:11:16,700 knowing about the abuse, 268 00:11:16,830 --> 00:11:18,870 knowing about the domestic violence in her life. 269 00:11:18,950 --> 00:11:20,620 And I was there when it happened. 270 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,500 Grabbed Nicole, told her to get out of his house. 271 00:11:25,620 --> 00:11:27,870 Wanted us all out of his house. 272 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,450 Picked her up, threw her against a wall. 273 00:11:32,540 --> 00:11:35,620 DENISE: It wasn't just our family, it was media, too, 274 00:11:35,700 --> 00:11:36,910 and strange people. 275 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,750 And you're sitting there and you're talking 276 00:11:38,870 --> 00:11:40,830 and then you're crying, and it was just 277 00:11:40,910 --> 00:11:44,200 so friggin' scary. 278 00:11:44,290 --> 00:11:46,500 And then I saw my father, 279 00:11:46,540 --> 00:11:49,450 and my father was crying. 280 00:11:49,540 --> 00:11:51,540 Tears were coming down his fac. 281 00:11:51,620 --> 00:11:55,500 I thought, "Oh, my poor dad has to 282 00:11:55,580 --> 00:11:58,660 "watch me up on the stand doing this. 283 00:11:58,750 --> 00:12:01,370 Oh, my God, I just don't want him hurting." 284 00:12:01,450 --> 00:12:03,370 He was hurting enough. 285 00:12:03,450 --> 00:12:05,160 O.J. did not react at all. 286 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,370 He stayed stone-faced. 287 00:12:07,540 --> 00:12:09,660 The jury was also-- 288 00:12:09,750 --> 00:12:11,290 Well, they had been instructed by Judge Ito 289 00:12:11,370 --> 00:12:14,000 not to react at all, so they did not react. 290 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,160 But at the end of the day, it did absolutely no good 291 00:12:17,290 --> 00:12:19,250 because one of the jurors turned around and said, 292 00:12:19,330 --> 00:12:22,370 "Well, this wasn't a domestic violence case." 293 00:12:22,500 --> 00:12:24,910 Why are you putting me up on the stand if you're not 294 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,160 going to educate these people on what domestic violence is 295 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,790 and that domestic violence can kill? 296 00:12:29,870 --> 00:12:31,000 NEWSWOMAN: We'll have more reaction to 297 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,330 Denise Brown's testimony tomorrow. 298 00:12:33,450 --> 00:12:36,500 Now, A Current Affair proves we don't horse around 299 00:12:36,580 --> 00:12:38,500 when it comes to getting actio. 300 00:12:38,620 --> 00:12:43,830 The average juror did not understand the complexity 301 00:12:43,870 --> 00:12:45,450 of domestic violence. 302 00:12:45,540 --> 00:12:48,450 It was easy to continue to blame. 303 00:12:48,580 --> 00:12:51,080 "If she had just been a better wife 304 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,950 from day one..." 305 00:12:54,500 --> 00:12:55,830 "...she'd still be alive." 306 00:12:55,910 --> 00:13:00,160 Even in her grave, Nicole was being blamed 307 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,200 for his actions. 308 00:13:02,290 --> 00:13:04,950 Entertainment Tonight has obtained exclusive access 309 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,450 to Monday's front-page story in the National Enquirer. 310 00:13:09,830 --> 00:13:11,500 Nicole had six abortions 311 00:13:11,580 --> 00:13:13,830 rather than bring another child into their marriage. 312 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,250 She started screaming at me, "Mother-bleeper!" 313 00:13:16,370 --> 00:13:17,870 You know, "If you're going to do this to me, 314 00:13:17,950 --> 00:13:19,000 "why don't you pick somebody pretty? 315 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,410 She's a mother-bleeping dog." 316 00:13:22,620 --> 00:13:24,910 Nicole's writing is large and rounded. 317 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:29,080 Someone who writes this way needs attention and approval. 318 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,120 The evidence will be, these ladies would go out 319 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,330 two, three, four nights a week 320 00:13:33,410 --> 00:13:35,500 and stay out till 5:00 in the morning. 321 00:13:35,540 --> 00:13:37,080 There's a group of them, and you'll hear about it. 322 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,950 They'd go out dancing, they'd do whatever they would do. 323 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:41,660 And we know Faye Resnick was using drugs 324 00:13:41,700 --> 00:13:43,540 in this period of time. 325 00:13:43,620 --> 00:13:45,250 Nobody was controlling these women. 326 00:13:45,330 --> 00:13:49,750 The defense put on this big smear campaign 327 00:13:49,870 --> 00:13:51,200 about Nicole 328 00:13:51,290 --> 00:13:53,750 and about the kind of person that she was. 329 00:13:53,830 --> 00:13:58,330 It was nothing like who she was. 330 00:13:58,410 --> 00:14:00,200 All the pictures that were coming out of her 331 00:14:00,330 --> 00:14:03,290 were in a bikini or in a modeling shot. 332 00:14:03,370 --> 00:14:07,040 You know, in an alluring kind of way. 333 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,750 She went from being a victim 334 00:14:09,870 --> 00:14:12,000 of domestic violence and murder to being a whore. 335 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,580 You'd go to dinner and you'd hear someone 336 00:14:13,660 --> 00:14:15,000 sitting at another table say, 337 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,250 "Oh, I'm sure it was that she, you know, 338 00:14:17,370 --> 00:14:19,790 she was hanging around... drug dealers." 339 00:14:19,870 --> 00:14:22,540 I mean, you just hear the stuff that they're-- 340 00:14:22,660 --> 00:14:24,750 that the defense is spewing. 341 00:14:24,750 --> 00:14:26,660 And I hold him responsible because 342 00:14:26,700 --> 00:14:29,830 he wanted them to do it. 343 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,750 Some of the people that were in our circle 344 00:14:33,830 --> 00:14:37,000 were so in awe of him 345 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,830 or, you know, idolized him so much 346 00:14:40,950 --> 00:14:42,830 that they couldn't grasp the fact that he could 347 00:14:42,950 --> 00:14:44,250 do something like this. 348 00:14:45,330 --> 00:14:47,120 You were in one camp or the other camp. 349 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,910 You were Team O.J. or Team Nicole. 350 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,660 And it just divided the whole community. 351 00:14:51,750 --> 00:14:52,700 There wasn't a lot of people 352 00:14:52,830 --> 00:14:54,000 that you could trust at this point 353 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:55,580 because you didn't know who you could trust. 354 00:14:55,660 --> 00:14:57,580 You know, we didn't know who's talking to the media, 355 00:14:57,660 --> 00:14:59,000 who's going to say something, 356 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:00,370 who's going to do something. 357 00:15:00,450 --> 00:15:04,620 There was a group of women that were, 358 00:15:04,700 --> 00:15:05,830 you know, around. 359 00:15:05,910 --> 00:15:08,160 I-I just never bonded with them. 360 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,080 They were so different from all our friends 361 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,790 that we grew up with down in Laguna. 362 00:15:13,870 --> 00:15:15,660 They weren't-- they weren't our people. 363 00:15:15,700 --> 00:15:18,160 NEWSMAN: There's another nw book in the works about Nicol. 364 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,330 It's being written by one of her closest friends 365 00:15:20,410 --> 00:15:22,250 Cora Fischman. 366 00:15:22,250 --> 00:15:24,160 And Cora Fischman says that Nicole 367 00:15:24,250 --> 00:15:26,620 was not entirely blameless. 368 00:15:26,700 --> 00:15:31,620 Nicole used to tell me, I mean, she herself abused O.J. 369 00:15:31,700 --> 00:15:34,790 I mean, and O.J. told me one time, 370 00:15:34,870 --> 00:15:36,870 "I feel like a battered husband." 371 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,370 So, I mean, it was both ways. 372 00:15:39,450 --> 00:15:42,750 One of the plausible or possible explanations would be 373 00:15:42,870 --> 00:15:43,830 that Mr. Simpson 374 00:15:43,910 --> 00:15:45,620 has successfully influenced her 375 00:15:45,700 --> 00:15:47,660 to alter or change 376 00:15:47,700 --> 00:15:48,830 some of her testimony. 377 00:15:48,910 --> 00:15:50,540 At one point, one of Nicole's friends, 378 00:15:50,540 --> 00:15:53,200 she was flailing out in front of the media 379 00:15:53,290 --> 00:15:56,160 and just doing her thing and, "Ah, ah!" 380 00:15:56,290 --> 00:16:00,040 And she came knocking at the door and I answered the door. 381 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:01,910 That was Nicole's friend Cora. 382 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,250 I don't know who did it, no. 383 00:16:04,250 --> 00:16:06,200 REPORTER: She was your friend? 384 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,330 CORA (sobbing): Please stop... 385 00:16:09,450 --> 00:16:12,080 I was not gonna put up with anybody 386 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,540 doing any kind of their song and dance 387 00:16:14,700 --> 00:16:16,660 with the media and then thinking 388 00:16:16,750 --> 00:16:19,330 that they were gonna come into Nicole's house and do what? 389 00:16:19,410 --> 00:16:21,200 I didn't want to have anythig to do with her. 390 00:16:21,290 --> 00:16:23,660 So I wouldn't be surprised if she became 391 00:16:23,790 --> 00:16:25,750 Team Simpson after that 392 00:16:25,870 --> 00:16:27,580 because, you know, she wasn't welcome. 393 00:16:31,410 --> 00:16:34,250 After he got arrested, he was trying to get A.C. 394 00:16:34,330 --> 00:16:39,080 to call her friends. He called me to come see O.J. 395 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:41,410 "O.J. wants to talk to you." 396 00:16:41,500 --> 00:16:43,580 I said, "A.C., I don't want to talk to O.J." 397 00:16:45,500 --> 00:16:47,370 You know, O.J. thought that his, you know, 398 00:16:47,450 --> 00:16:49,290 with his charisma, that he's going to charm us all 399 00:16:49,370 --> 00:16:52,370 into thinking that he didn't do it. 400 00:16:53,410 --> 00:16:57,500 I was upset that A.C. sided with O.J. 401 00:16:57,540 --> 00:17:00,950 and that he was still carrying his water. 402 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,620 And the fact that he would kind of... 403 00:17:06,910 --> 00:17:09,700 ...give O.J. a pass on her murder 404 00:17:09,790 --> 00:17:11,040 kind of blew my mind. 405 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,870 It was like, why would someone do that? 406 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,160 But then I think to myself, 407 00:17:16,250 --> 00:17:19,250 a lot of those guys did that. 408 00:17:19,330 --> 00:17:22,120 A lot of those guys just... 409 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,000 She was just another girl, 410 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,000 and he was O.J. 411 00:17:28,660 --> 00:17:29,790 A.C.: Thank you. 412 00:17:29,910 --> 00:17:32,660 Thank you for coming out this afternoon. 413 00:17:32,700 --> 00:17:38,160 As you know, I've been very reluctant to speak to the media. 414 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,120 I feel that the media has consistently 415 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,120 sensationalized the facts 416 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,080 and negatively exploded-- 417 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,910 exploited the many aspects of this tragedy. 418 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,450 A.C. was there for a lot of stuff. 419 00:17:51,540 --> 00:17:53,950 So that's why I didn't understand why A.C. 420 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,540 didn't stick up for her after he murdered her. 421 00:17:56,620 --> 00:17:58,620 I just didn't get it and I couldn't 422 00:17:58,700 --> 00:18:00,080 talk to him anymore. 423 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:01,370 I didn't want to have anything to do with him 424 00:18:01,450 --> 00:18:02,750 because I just thought, "You know what? 425 00:18:02,870 --> 00:18:04,370 "You abandoned Nicole. 426 00:18:04,500 --> 00:18:07,160 "You abandoned your best frien. 427 00:18:07,250 --> 00:18:09,660 And you have to live with that." 428 00:18:09,790 --> 00:18:11,160 So, in my personal effort 429 00:18:11,250 --> 00:18:13,200 to lend the truth and the sanity, 430 00:18:13,290 --> 00:18:15,160 I've chosen to speak to the public directly, 431 00:18:15,290 --> 00:18:19,910 via a 900-CALL-AC program. 432 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,910 I will share with the callers my life experiences with O.J., 433 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,950 from our childhood through our NFL days, 434 00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:29,870 my close relationship with Nicole, 435 00:18:29,950 --> 00:18:31,370 and my views on the media. 436 00:18:31,450 --> 00:18:35,540 I totally believe in my friend's innocence. 437 00:18:37,540 --> 00:18:40,290 Yeah, I'm not the type of person that forgets easily, 438 00:18:40,370 --> 00:18:42,620 and I certainly don't forgive. 439 00:18:50,750 --> 00:18:52,330 During the trial, David and I weren't allowed 440 00:18:52,410 --> 00:18:55,080 to be called up on the stand 441 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,700 because Lou and Judi and Denis, 442 00:18:58,790 --> 00:19:02,160 they wanted the kids to be able to see us freely. 443 00:19:02,250 --> 00:19:05,910 We were horseback riding, and Justin 444 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,750 was talking very freely with me, 445 00:19:09,830 --> 00:19:11,000 as they both did. 446 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,950 He was saying how much he missed his mom. 447 00:19:13,950 --> 00:19:16,620 Then he said, "Well, you know, D'Anne, 448 00:19:16,700 --> 00:19:18,870 I miss my dad, too." 449 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,580 And I thought he almost thought I was going to reject him, 450 00:19:22,660 --> 00:19:24,330 because they didn't really understand 451 00:19:24,410 --> 00:19:27,290 what was going on, and I didn't. 452 00:19:27,370 --> 00:19:29,250 And I said, "You know, I understand that. 453 00:19:29,330 --> 00:19:32,410 He will always be your daddy." 454 00:19:32,500 --> 00:19:34,450 And you could see it, he relaxed. 455 00:19:34,540 --> 00:19:36,870 The kids really didn't understand 456 00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:38,910 what was going on at the time. 457 00:19:40,540 --> 00:19:43,700 I think that Black folk saw reasonable doubt based upon 458 00:19:43,790 --> 00:19:48,370 a history, an experience of seeing racist cops convict, 459 00:19:48,450 --> 00:19:51,370 plant evidence on Black folks, who we know in our lives. 460 00:19:51,450 --> 00:19:53,660 Prior to Nicole's murder, 461 00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:57,370 L.A. had been in a pretty tumultuous run. 462 00:19:58,580 --> 00:20:01,830 There was a lot of strife between 463 00:20:01,870 --> 00:20:04,450 the Black community and the police department 464 00:20:04,540 --> 00:20:06,330 for the Rodney King beating et al., you know, 465 00:20:06,410 --> 00:20:07,620 and we had had the riots. 466 00:20:07,700 --> 00:20:09,410 There was just a lot of tension in the city. 467 00:20:12,450 --> 00:20:13,870 HINTON: Black and brown communities in L.A. 468 00:20:13,950 --> 00:20:17,410 had long complained about their treatment by police 469 00:20:17,500 --> 00:20:20,290 to authorities, to the publi, largely on deaf ears. 470 00:20:20,370 --> 00:20:21,330 You know, time and time again, 471 00:20:21,370 --> 00:20:23,830 the response is that somehow 472 00:20:23,910 --> 00:20:26,370 the idea of police brutality is a figment of 473 00:20:26,500 --> 00:20:28,120 Black people's imagination. 474 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:31,200 Despite the undeniable evidence of the video, 475 00:20:31,290 --> 00:20:34,330 there was no justice for Black people. 476 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,790 NEWSWOMAN: 7:00 a.m. at Camp O.J., the trucks are up. 477 00:20:41,870 --> 00:20:44,290 Cameras, mics and lights are everywhere. 478 00:20:44,370 --> 00:20:46,910 It is shortly before noon, Chicago time, 479 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,500 and history is in the making. 480 00:20:48,580 --> 00:20:51,790 MAGHAME: The verdict was one of those moments 481 00:20:51,870 --> 00:20:53,830 in American history 482 00:20:53,950 --> 00:20:57,910 where you remember where you were when it happened. 483 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:02,910 151 million people tuned in lie 484 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,330 to watch the verdict. 485 00:21:04,370 --> 00:21:05,330 DENISE: I remember Judge Ito 486 00:21:05,370 --> 00:21:07,290 telling all of us, 487 00:21:07,370 --> 00:21:11,120 "Do not make a noise, do not react. 488 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:12,750 "Nothing. 489 00:21:12,830 --> 00:21:15,040 There has to be silence in my courtroom." 490 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,660 The only way I can explain it is like 491 00:21:16,700 --> 00:21:19,040 going up a roller coaster, the anticipation. 492 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:20,500 Your heart's racing, 493 00:21:20,580 --> 00:21:23,000 you know that whatever goes up comes down. 494 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,910 And it's that... (exhales) that you're waiting for that drop. 495 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,660 And then the drop happened. 496 00:21:27,660 --> 00:21:29,580 On this shift, we'll take you right through the verdict. 497 00:21:29,700 --> 00:21:32,080 Mr. Simpson has now come back to the courtroom. 498 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,330 OPRAH: We, just like 499 00:21:34,370 --> 00:21:36,830 the rest of the country, are waiting to hear it live 500 00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:38,370 for the very first time. 501 00:21:40,370 --> 00:21:42,200 CLERK: In the matter of the People of the State of California 502 00:21:42,290 --> 00:21:44,160 v. Orenthal James Simpson, 503 00:21:44,250 --> 00:21:47,540 case number BA097211... 504 00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:51,040 ...we, the jury, in the above-entitled action, 505 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,910 find the defendant Orenjal-- Orenthal James Simpson 506 00:21:54,910 --> 00:21:56,700 -not guilty of the crime of murder... -(cheering) 507 00:21:56,790 --> 00:22:00,330 ...in violation of penal code section 187(A), 508 00:22:00,410 --> 00:22:02,660 a felony, upon Nicole Brown Simpson, 509 00:22:02,700 --> 00:22:06,120 a human being, as charged in Count I of the information. 510 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,870 All of a sudden, when the verdict was read, 511 00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:10,910 I heard Kim Goldman scream. 512 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,620 (crying) 513 00:22:12,700 --> 00:22:14,500 CLERK: We, the jury, in the above-entitled action, 514 00:22:14,540 --> 00:22:15,830 further find the special circumstance 515 00:22:15,950 --> 00:22:17,700 that the defendant Orenthal James Simpson... 516 00:22:17,790 --> 00:22:19,830 DENISE: We were all sitting there in shock. 517 00:22:19,910 --> 00:22:21,410 I couldn't cry. 518 00:22:21,540 --> 00:22:24,540 I couldn't do anything. I couldn't move. 519 00:22:24,620 --> 00:22:26,160 DOMINIQUE: I was shocked. 520 00:22:26,250 --> 00:22:28,040 I don't know. 521 00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:31,910 Relieved, disappointed, angry. 522 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,120 I mean, did-did you really want him to be guilty? 523 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,040 Did you not want him to be guilty? 524 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,700 It's a... it's a tough question. 525 00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:45,450 I remember going home 526 00:22:45,540 --> 00:22:49,120 and going and picking up our kids from school, 527 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,410 and people were... cheering. 528 00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:55,450 (cheering, screaming) 529 00:22:57,370 --> 00:22:59,450 (horn honking) 530 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,750 There was nothing to cheer about. 531 00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:13,330 Nothing. 532 00:23:14,330 --> 00:23:16,200 (sniffles) 533 00:23:16,290 --> 00:23:18,620 Uh, the jury heard, uh, the evidence 534 00:23:18,700 --> 00:23:20,290 and rendered its verdict. 535 00:23:20,370 --> 00:23:22,660 At this moment, our thoughts and prayers 536 00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:24,250 should be with the families 537 00:23:24,330 --> 00:23:27,080 of the victims of this terrible crime. 538 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,950 In the car, going home, 539 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,000 Judi said to all of us, 540 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:35,250 "I don't want one tear in front of the kids. 541 00:23:35,330 --> 00:23:38,450 "I want you all to put on a happy face. 542 00:23:38,540 --> 00:23:41,450 Remember, this is their father" 543 00:23:41,540 --> 00:23:43,200 We think about the verdict, 544 00:23:43,290 --> 00:23:47,080 and all I remember was her 545 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,040 teaching us how to be a mom. 546 00:23:58,870 --> 00:24:01,660 NEWSMAN: O.J. was driven home yesterdy in this white van. 547 00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:04,160 As it stopped in traffic, Simpson was approached 548 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,660 by a camera crew and bystander. 549 00:24:06,790 --> 00:24:09,160 NEWSMAN 2: Today, reporters and onlookers crowded outside 550 00:24:09,250 --> 00:24:11,700 360 North Rockingham Drive, 551 00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:14,000 hoping to get a glimpse of O.J. Simpson. 552 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:16,870 When Simpson came home, 553 00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:19,120 there's a massive influx of people. 554 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,040 (indistinct chatter) 555 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:23,870 Tourists. No, I saw license plates from Kansas 556 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,910 and from, you know, Ohio and all over the country 557 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,660 would drive out to take a road trip out to see O.J.'s house. 558 00:24:30,700 --> 00:24:34,080 The department had to allocae millions of dollars 559 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,370 in overtime to pay officers to work these locations. 560 00:24:37,450 --> 00:24:38,370 It was a circus, 561 00:24:38,450 --> 00:24:39,910 a literal circus. 562 00:24:41,540 --> 00:24:44,250 D'ANNE: When he got out of jail, he kept 563 00:24:44,330 --> 00:24:49,450 voicing how important it was because he wanted to get home 564 00:24:49,540 --> 00:24:52,660 to be with Sydney during her birthday. 565 00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:56,700 So he got out and went 566 00:24:56,700 --> 00:25:00,830 to the Browns, picked up Sydney and them, and took them 567 00:25:00,870 --> 00:25:04,450 to Never Neverland, to Michael Jackson's property. 568 00:25:06,540 --> 00:25:08,620 She was showing me, "Look, he bought me this..." 569 00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:11,450 It was a big stereo system, and... 570 00:25:11,540 --> 00:25:14,000 "And I asked him, 'Next time we go, 571 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,040 can we take Joey and Derek to Never Neverland?'" 572 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,120 I-I sat down with her and I said, 573 00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:22,910 "Sydney, you have to understand 574 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,950 "that I will never let my boys go be with your dad, 575 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,950 "because I believe your dad killed your mother. 576 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,750 And I can't let my children go there." 577 00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:39,790 She just kind of looked at me and said, "Yeah, yeah, I know." 578 00:25:39,870 --> 00:25:42,370 And she got up and she ran out of the room. 579 00:25:42,450 --> 00:25:47,160 Lou and Judi were so afraid of losing those two kids. 580 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,660 You know, 'cause a-at any time, he could have said, "That's it," 581 00:25:50,790 --> 00:25:51,910 you know, "they're minors, 582 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,580 you don't get to see 'em anymore." 583 00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:56,160 So they played the game 584 00:25:56,250 --> 00:25:58,830 so that they would be able to be with their grandchildren. 585 00:25:58,910 --> 00:26:03,040 I, unfortunately, I just, I couldn't lie. 586 00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:04,660 I couldn't play the game. 587 00:26:12,540 --> 00:26:13,660 The children, what will happen next with them? 588 00:26:13,870 --> 00:26:16,160 Sydney asked me today, she says, "Do I have to leave?" 589 00:26:16,290 --> 00:26:18,450 And I said, "Maybe." 590 00:26:18,540 --> 00:26:21,250 But at least they have one parent to, uh, 591 00:26:21,330 --> 00:26:23,910 to back up, uh, their life. 592 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,790 DENISE: The problem with that one parent, though, 593 00:26:25,870 --> 00:26:27,660 is that he is a batterer. 594 00:26:27,790 --> 00:26:31,700 And that is the only thing-- nobody can take that away. 595 00:26:31,790 --> 00:26:34,410 It was a wild time, for three years. 596 00:26:34,500 --> 00:26:36,290 It wasn't just the criminal trial. 597 00:26:36,370 --> 00:26:38,330 Then we also had a civil trial. 598 00:26:38,410 --> 00:26:42,160 It's something we wanted to hear since... 599 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,200 two and a half years. 600 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,250 And... 601 00:26:47,330 --> 00:26:50,370 it finally came. 602 00:26:50,450 --> 00:26:52,830 We know justice will be done someday. 603 00:26:52,910 --> 00:26:56,370 Before that, we also had a child custody trial. 604 00:26:56,450 --> 00:26:59,330 When, uh, Simpson was arrested, he had signed an agreement 605 00:26:59,450 --> 00:27:04,330 that, uh, the Browns would retain custody of the kids. 606 00:27:04,450 --> 00:27:07,870 After that, the Browns decided, even though Simpson 607 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,750 was acquitted, they knew in their minds 608 00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:12,540 that he had murdered the kids' mother. 609 00:27:12,620 --> 00:27:14,330 Even though they knew they didn't have 610 00:27:14,370 --> 00:27:16,540 a legal right at that point, 611 00:27:16,620 --> 00:27:18,330 they fought to keep the kids because they knew 612 00:27:18,370 --> 00:27:21,330 they'd raise the kids better than Simpson would. 613 00:27:21,370 --> 00:27:25,830 Part of the evidence introduced by the Browns' attorney 614 00:27:25,870 --> 00:27:30,040 was a fictional... 615 00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:34,160 story that eight-year-old Justin wrote 616 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,330 about a father murdering his mother. 617 00:27:38,370 --> 00:27:41,330 Children know sometimes. 618 00:27:41,370 --> 00:27:44,000 They know. 619 00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:47,540 It was heartbreaking to see that the things 620 00:27:47,540 --> 00:27:49,910 that were very, very important 621 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,250 were not allowed into the child custody case, 622 00:27:52,370 --> 00:27:55,330 especially the way that Nicole had been treated. 623 00:27:55,370 --> 00:27:58,080 Why should custody have been changed now to someone 624 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,080 who is accused of the wrongful death of the children's mother? 625 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,790 The fact that he is a convicted wife batterer means 626 00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:07,080 that he may present a risk of harm to these children. 627 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,040 That was the Christmas that they decided 628 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,910 that they were gonna take the children away from us. 629 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,200 We had Christmas Eve with them, and on Christmas Day 630 00:28:16,290 --> 00:28:17,500 he came to pick them up. 631 00:28:17,620 --> 00:28:20,000 And it was my mom and I, 632 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,250 we were standing out on the driveway... 633 00:28:22,370 --> 00:28:24,580 Oh, God, I'm gonna cry again. 634 00:28:24,660 --> 00:28:26,660 Justin... 635 00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:28,290 Justin went up to my mom, 636 00:28:28,370 --> 00:28:31,200 and he handed her a piece of chocolate. 637 00:28:31,290 --> 00:28:32,790 (crying) 638 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,950 He said, "Dita, it's gonna be okay." 639 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,750 We started walking into the house together, 640 00:28:40,830 --> 00:28:42,200 and I just thought, 641 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,200 "That's the nastiest thing anybody could ever do. 642 00:28:44,290 --> 00:28:46,540 "Couldn't you just wait until after Christmas? 643 00:28:46,620 --> 00:28:48,750 Why couldn't you wait another day?" 644 00:28:48,830 --> 00:28:51,910 It was just awful. It was just to hurt my mom. 645 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,160 My mom was very good at putting things aside. 646 00:28:58,330 --> 00:29:00,830 She never shook his hand, didn't kiss him hello. 647 00:29:00,870 --> 00:29:03,250 It was just seeing him, talking to him 648 00:29:03,330 --> 00:29:06,250 about the kids, talking on the telephone, 649 00:29:06,330 --> 00:29:07,700 only about the kids. 650 00:29:12,750 --> 00:29:16,160 Many people in this country consider you a pariah. 651 00:29:16,250 --> 00:29:18,160 I'm constantly having people hugging and touching me 652 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,500 and buying me drinks and-and encouraging me 653 00:29:20,540 --> 00:29:22,370 to take care of the kids and move on. 654 00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:44,250 We would hear stories about him going to restaurants 655 00:29:44,330 --> 00:29:47,330 that were popular in West Hollywood 656 00:29:47,370 --> 00:29:52,160 or somewhere else and being asked to leave. 657 00:29:52,250 --> 00:29:54,540 One thing in particular that struck me 658 00:29:54,540 --> 00:29:59,120 was, the Brentwood News ran a column 659 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,250 by its editor and publisher Jeff Hall, 660 00:30:02,250 --> 00:30:07,410 who wrote kind of an open letter to O.J., 661 00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:09,330 and it said, 662 00:30:09,410 --> 00:30:11,830 "The trial's over. 663 00:30:11,870 --> 00:30:13,700 "Could you go to Mexico for a while 664 00:30:13,790 --> 00:30:16,160 and just leave us alone?" 665 00:30:17,870 --> 00:30:20,410 He sort of said the quiet part out loud 666 00:30:20,540 --> 00:30:25,290 that a lot of people in Brentwood, I think, felt. 667 00:30:25,370 --> 00:30:30,200 Because the trial was about more than O.J., 668 00:30:30,290 --> 00:30:34,500 it was easier to kind of forget about O.J. 669 00:30:34,580 --> 00:30:39,250 when the reality of, you know, 670 00:30:39,370 --> 00:30:41,950 a supposedly destitute existence kind of set in. 671 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,910 I mean, he, you know, O.J. kind of became a joke. 672 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,000 Yeah, how are you doing? Yeah-- oh... thank you. 673 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,120 -Very nice meeting you. -Doesn't that hurt? 674 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,950 -Huh? -Doesn't that hurt your feelings? 675 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,000 No. 676 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,660 You're planning to move to Miami. Why? 677 00:30:56,700 --> 00:30:58,620 I-I was constantly trying to move to Miami. 678 00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:01,500 I was moving to Miami before this happened. I like Florida. 679 00:31:01,580 --> 00:31:03,370 Do they talk with you or ask you 680 00:31:03,450 --> 00:31:04,870 -about their mother's murder? -No, they don't. 681 00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:07,080 -Never? -Never. 682 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,830 -It never comes up? -It never comes up. 683 00:31:08,910 --> 00:31:10,660 Like most kids, uh, they don't look back, 684 00:31:10,790 --> 00:31:12,660 they look forward. 685 00:31:12,790 --> 00:31:14,450 I remember a phone call 686 00:31:14,540 --> 00:31:17,830 that Simpson made to my mother, and he just says, 687 00:31:17,870 --> 00:31:19,500 "I can't make a life here for the kids. 688 00:31:19,580 --> 00:31:20,700 You got to let 'em move." 689 00:31:20,790 --> 00:31:22,500 I mean, he was really, like, being a bully. 690 00:31:22,580 --> 00:31:24,830 My mom, I guess, when, uh, the kids came back down, 691 00:31:24,910 --> 00:31:26,870 had a conversation with them, and Sydney said, 692 00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:29,000 "Oh, God, Dita, I would love to move to Florida. 693 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,500 I would love to go." 694 00:31:30,540 --> 00:31:33,830 And once my mom heard that, she said, "Absolutely." 695 00:31:33,910 --> 00:31:36,000 She goes, "They can go." They wanted to go. 696 00:31:37,870 --> 00:31:40,660 In August of 2000, 697 00:31:40,750 --> 00:31:42,370 they ended up moving to Florid. 698 00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:45,080 My mom wasn't gonna fight anymore. 699 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,080 She was sick and tired of cour. 700 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,580 She didn't want to fight anymore. 701 00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:50,660 She wanted the kids to be happ. 702 00:31:50,750 --> 00:31:54,540 Devastating. Really hard for her. 703 00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:56,910 Yeah. 704 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,370 I just remember her having her nights crying. 705 00:32:00,370 --> 00:32:02,410 That was a piece of Nicole, you know? 706 00:32:02,500 --> 00:32:03,500 And, uh... 707 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,500 And then they were gone. 708 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,200 NEWSWOMAN: Simpson did not go quietly into the sunset. 709 00:32:12,330 --> 00:32:14,370 When he left his home in Southern California 710 00:32:14,450 --> 00:32:16,330 and moved to a new life in Florida, 711 00:32:16,370 --> 00:32:18,700 Simpson could not stay out of trouble. 712 00:32:18,790 --> 00:32:19,830 MAN: You okay? 713 00:32:19,910 --> 00:32:20,910 When they moved to Florida, 714 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,200 I lost touch with them. 715 00:32:22,330 --> 00:32:24,160 Yeah, that was really unfortunate. 716 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,160 I-I just stayed away from the news as far as anything 717 00:32:27,290 --> 00:32:29,660 that had to do with O.J. and any drama 718 00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:33,040 or any antics that were going on. 719 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,910 I completely stayed away from everything. 720 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,160 I'm, I'm aware of a call-- 721 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,330 one 911 call that happened in Florida from Sydney. 722 00:32:48,370 --> 00:32:50,410 Just one. That's all I know of. 723 00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:53,290 But I do remember, I think, 724 00:32:53,370 --> 00:32:55,540 him kind of pooh-poohing at a teenager 725 00:32:55,620 --> 00:32:57,120 not getting what she wants. 726 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,080 We were definitely worried for her safety. 727 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,000 Definitely scared to death, thinking, 728 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,080 "Oh, my God, what's gonna happen?" 729 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,370 You know? She's a lot like her mother. 730 00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:08,830 Is he going to do something to her? 731 00:33:08,910 --> 00:33:11,160 Nicole was not-- she was not a wallflower. 732 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,200 She spoke her mind. She spoke her piece. 733 00:33:14,330 --> 00:33:16,200 Sydney does the same thing. 734 00:33:31,540 --> 00:33:32,580 In Florida? 735 00:33:32,660 --> 00:33:35,000 (chuckles) 736 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,120 That's news to me. Honestly, that's news to me. 737 00:33:46,910 --> 00:33:48,080 Okay. 738 00:33:52,750 --> 00:33:53,660 Oh, my God. 739 00:34:00,290 --> 00:34:01,160 NEWSWOMAN: Would he finally quiet down 740 00:34:01,330 --> 00:34:02,580 and stay out of the public eye? 741 00:34:02,660 --> 00:34:04,160 Not exactly. 742 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,330 In 2001, the FBI raided Simpson's house 743 00:34:07,410 --> 00:34:09,290 investigating Ecstasy smugglin. 744 00:34:13,250 --> 00:34:14,750 My name is Gary Loeffert. 745 00:34:14,830 --> 00:34:17,080 I'm a retired special agent with the FBI. 746 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,250 My name is Chris Piersza, 747 00:34:18,370 --> 00:34:21,080 and I joined the FBI in 1998. 748 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,660 That's where we met. 749 00:34:22,700 --> 00:34:24,000 That's when we started working all our cases together, 750 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,160 sort of as, uh, squad mates and partners. 751 00:34:26,250 --> 00:34:30,910 So in 1999, uh, we had a, uh, an individual 752 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,120 who was laundering money, uh, 753 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,410 with one of our sources in the Miami area. 754 00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:39,410 So the first wiretap, uh, we did was we went up 755 00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:42,040 on an individual named John Thorburn. 756 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:47,620 He was basically involved in MDMA. 757 00:34:47,700 --> 00:34:50,620 Uh, sales, purchases, um, 758 00:34:50,700 --> 00:34:53,830 and he would distribute out by South Beach. 759 00:34:53,870 --> 00:34:57,250 We quickly realized that, uh, Andrew Anderson was 760 00:34:57,330 --> 00:35:00,540 supplying John Thorburn, um, with the Ecstasy. 761 00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:03,330 He was higher, higher in the organization. 762 00:35:03,410 --> 00:35:05,790 Anderson was our next logical target 763 00:35:05,870 --> 00:35:07,950 for, uh, wiretap coverage. 764 00:35:07,950 --> 00:35:11,000 So one of the steps you take is initiating a pen register. 765 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,910 A pen register simply gives digits dialed by a telephone. 766 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,580 On Anderson's, uh, numbers dialed, 767 00:35:18,660 --> 00:35:20,160 the most frequently numbers dialed, 768 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,450 it said O.J. Simpson. 769 00:35:23,540 --> 00:35:26,200 So that's how, how we first knw 770 00:35:26,290 --> 00:35:28,870 that he was gonna come into our investigation. 771 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,950 He came to us. We never went to him. 772 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,450 One of the first things 773 00:35:32,540 --> 00:35:34,500 that surveillance teams were reporting back to us were 774 00:35:34,580 --> 00:35:37,660 that O.J. Simpson was frequently, 775 00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:40,330 uh, with Andrew Anderson. 776 00:35:40,370 --> 00:35:43,830 O.J. Simpson and Andrew Anderson would go to movies together. 777 00:35:43,870 --> 00:35:47,250 I mean, they were, clearly, uh, very good friends. 778 00:35:47,370 --> 00:35:50,700 O.J. Simpson did, uh, receive MDMA, 779 00:35:50,830 --> 00:35:54,120 Ecstasy, um, and other narcotis from Andrew Anderson. 780 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,410 He was a user. 781 00:35:56,500 --> 00:36:00,330 Widespread allegations O.J. also abused cocaine. 782 00:36:00,370 --> 00:36:02,660 NEWSMAN: Newsweek wrote that Nicole believed 783 00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:04,160 O.J. was a drug addict 784 00:36:04,290 --> 00:36:06,410 who suffered from wild mood swings. 785 00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:11,160 We executed nine search warrants on December 4, 2001. 786 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,540 Mr. Simpson's house was 787 00:36:12,620 --> 00:36:14,620 part of a search warrant application 788 00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:16,830 because of his relationship with Andrew Anderson, 789 00:36:16,910 --> 00:36:19,080 and the presence of Anderson at his home many-- 790 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,660 on many occasions, and the receiving of narcotics. 791 00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:24,830 We get the warrant and like that, on the same day, 792 00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:26,910 at the same time, very early in the predawn hours, 793 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,330 we execute the search 794 00:36:28,410 --> 00:36:30,290 on Mr. Simpson's house. 795 00:36:31,370 --> 00:36:35,000 A reporter, uh, was already there. 796 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,330 Obviously, there was a leak in the case. 797 00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:38,540 We don't know where it came from, 798 00:36:38,620 --> 00:36:40,500 we don't know how it happened. 799 00:36:40,620 --> 00:36:43,540 Someone knew this was gonna happen at that time. 800 00:36:44,580 --> 00:36:46,830 He was home, his children were home. 801 00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:49,830 At the time, the search went on without incident. 802 00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:52,250 He was seen through surveillane 803 00:36:52,330 --> 00:36:55,450 in the rear of his home by his pool, pacing around. 804 00:36:57,450 --> 00:36:58,660 We recovered, I-I think, 805 00:36:58,750 --> 00:37:00,830 some small amounts of marijuana residue. 806 00:37:00,870 --> 00:37:03,870 That's all that we recovered from that house on that date. 807 00:37:03,950 --> 00:37:07,160 Were they tipped off? I can't tell you to prove that, 808 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,330 but people were warned. 809 00:37:11,410 --> 00:37:13,450 LOEFFERT: After the search warrant concluded, 810 00:37:13,540 --> 00:37:15,040 I spoke to the team leader, 811 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,040 the agent who was overseeing 812 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,410 the search at Mr. Simpson's residence, 813 00:37:19,540 --> 00:37:22,040 and I asked about the children, you know, were they okay? 814 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,700 And he said, "They seemed ambivalent 815 00:37:23,790 --> 00:37:25,120 and, uh, 816 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,330 kind of went, you know, got ready for school 817 00:37:26,410 --> 00:37:29,000 and then someone took them to school. 818 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,830 PIERSZA: Andrew Anderson did stay several nights 819 00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:32,700 at O.J. Simpson's house periodically. 820 00:37:32,830 --> 00:37:35,620 And there were occasions where Andrew Anderson drove 821 00:37:35,700 --> 00:37:37,660 Mr. Simpson's, uh, children to school. 822 00:37:37,790 --> 00:37:39,330 I wouldn't let my kids stay at that house, 823 00:37:39,410 --> 00:37:41,660 but that's what was going on there, yes. 824 00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:43,620 ♪ 825 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,830 It makes me angry to think 826 00:37:49,870 --> 00:37:53,160 that the kids would have been subjected to things like that. 827 00:37:53,290 --> 00:37:55,370 And when we were in child-child custody case, 828 00:37:55,450 --> 00:37:57,250 they said that we weren't suitable. 829 00:37:57,330 --> 00:37:59,450 Is, was the-the reasoning behind it 830 00:37:59,540 --> 00:38:01,080 that we weren't suitable 831 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,830 to be parents to them? 832 00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:05,950 And then, this is what they're subjected to? 833 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,500 Yeah, it makes me really angry. 834 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,370 Makes me really angry. 835 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,200 Those poor kids have been 836 00:38:16,290 --> 00:38:19,250 through a lot of stuff. 837 00:38:19,330 --> 00:38:21,370 Who was there to protect them? 838 00:38:22,290 --> 00:38:23,580 There is a lot of irony 839 00:38:23,660 --> 00:38:25,700 that Nicole was portrayed as the party girl 840 00:38:25,830 --> 00:38:28,660 when O.J.'s house is getting raided for drugs. 841 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,660 (voice breaking): God, that's so freaking heartbreaking 842 00:38:33,700 --> 00:38:35,870 to think that they had to live like that. 843 00:38:35,950 --> 00:38:38,620 And I didn't even know the half of it. 844 00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:40,580 And then he wanted to take them. 845 00:38:40,700 --> 00:38:42,790 God, I wish my mom would have said no. 846 00:38:44,830 --> 00:38:46,500 God, how awful. 847 00:38:47,540 --> 00:38:51,700 God, I can't even imagine what their life was like. 848 00:38:53,540 --> 00:38:56,410 I know this happens to other children in the world. 849 00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:58,370 I know that they see horrible things, 850 00:38:58,450 --> 00:39:01,000 but, God, when it hits so close to home, 851 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,410 I mean, you just want to grab them and just... 852 00:39:05,330 --> 00:39:07,500 DOMINIQUE: Denise's son Sean and my son 853 00:39:07,580 --> 00:39:11,330 lost their aunt, who we were with all the tim. 854 00:39:11,410 --> 00:39:13,700 Rocks? Let's see your rocks, Seaners. 855 00:39:14,750 --> 00:39:17,000 -Let's see. -SYDNEY: There you are. 856 00:39:18,540 --> 00:39:20,290 DOMINIQUE: That's a big deal 857 00:39:20,370 --> 00:39:22,580 with their little hearts. 858 00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:25,450 DENISE: She didn't get to see them grow up. 859 00:39:25,540 --> 00:39:28,160 She didn't get to see them have kids 860 00:39:28,250 --> 00:39:30,830 and have a life and graduate. 861 00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:34,660 And he killed her before she could do anything. 862 00:39:34,750 --> 00:39:36,450 [inhales, sobs] 863 00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:42,500 I was just so sure he was gonna go to jail. 864 00:39:42,540 --> 00:39:44,160 I thought he would, I... 865 00:39:44,250 --> 00:39:48,000 So I didn't think my friendship with the kids would be changed. 866 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,120 But it was. 867 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,160 Maybe five to eight years after, 868 00:39:55,250 --> 00:39:57,500 that was the last time that I saw Sydney. 869 00:39:59,250 --> 00:40:02,290 And I want her to know 870 00:40:02,370 --> 00:40:06,290 that I love her and her brother very much. 871 00:40:06,370 --> 00:40:08,580 And I would never do anything to harm them. 872 00:40:11,950 --> 00:40:12,950 Does she? 873 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,330 See, I don't even know. 874 00:40:14,370 --> 00:40:15,910 I don't even know that. 875 00:40:19,950 --> 00:40:21,910 I'm happy for her. 876 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,290 How about, how about... 877 00:40:27,370 --> 00:40:29,040 (sniffles) ...Justin? 878 00:40:34,540 --> 00:40:37,080 Oh. You know, I got to tell you, 879 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,000 Nicole would have been the best grandma ever. 880 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,040 ♪ 881 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,000 D'ANNE: I... (sniffles) 882 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,950 I'm so happy for both of them. 883 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,410 I really am. 884 00:40:54,540 --> 00:40:57,250 God, I'm sorry for Nicole. 885 00:40:58,370 --> 00:41:00,000 NICOLE: You know what? You're gonna love these tapes 886 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,120 when you get older, 887 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,160 especially when you have kids. 888 00:41:10,290 --> 00:41:12,200 NEWSMAN: Near the Bundy cond, 1,500 protesters gathered. 889 00:41:12,290 --> 00:41:15,370 Nicole's sister Denise helped lead the charge. 890 00:41:15,450 --> 00:41:18,410 If he ever says he's going to kill you, 891 00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:21,160 eventually, one day he will. 892 00:41:21,250 --> 00:41:22,950 They do kill. 893 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,620 When I started going out and speaking, it was... 894 00:41:27,700 --> 00:41:31,330 It was about the injustice that was happening to my sister. 895 00:41:31,410 --> 00:41:33,700 There was such an injustice 896 00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:35,620 in how they were painting her 897 00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:37,120 as this party girl. 898 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,750 They were painting her as this person that she was not. 899 00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:45,330 Denise didn't understand what she does now about abuse. 900 00:41:45,450 --> 00:41:46,700 She became an expert. 901 00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:50,290 She learned about what's happening, really learned, 902 00:41:50,290 --> 00:41:53,700 and consulted and joined forces with other people, 903 00:41:53,790 --> 00:41:56,330 and-and they got stuff done. 904 00:41:56,410 --> 00:41:59,790 I could see this protective, 905 00:41:59,870 --> 00:42:03,620 valiant, strong older sister 906 00:42:03,700 --> 00:42:07,330 who knew that she had to be the spokesperson for the family. 907 00:42:07,410 --> 00:42:09,290 That's kind of where it all started. 908 00:42:09,370 --> 00:42:10,540 And she says, do you want to do this? 909 00:42:10,620 --> 00:42:12,200 I said, yes, let's do it. 910 00:42:12,330 --> 00:42:13,830 We would schedule 911 00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:17,450 all across America at that tim. 912 00:42:17,540 --> 00:42:18,750 We counted 45 states. 913 00:42:18,830 --> 00:42:20,830 After reading her notes and diaries, 914 00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:22,950 we realized that Nicole was a battered woman. 915 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,830 My hope is that domestic violence will be stopped. 916 00:42:25,870 --> 00:42:29,200 My hope's that, uh, people will understand 917 00:42:29,290 --> 00:42:31,620 that if he hits you once, he will hit you again. 918 00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:33,540 If we can save one life, 919 00:42:33,660 --> 00:42:35,660 I'll be a very, very happy person. 920 00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:38,370 We were supposed to be going to, I think, Cleveland. 921 00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:41,370 I get this strange call. 922 00:42:41,450 --> 00:42:42,790 I said, I think this is D.C. 923 00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:44,790 And he says, hi, this is Chris, uh, 924 00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:47,160 from Senator Joe Biden's office. 925 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,660 I said, oh, hi. 926 00:42:48,700 --> 00:42:51,000 And he said, is it possible 927 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,700 to have Ms. Brown here tomorrow morning? 928 00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:59,540 They desperately needed Denise to, uh, come help them 929 00:42:59,620 --> 00:43:02,200 save the Violence Against Women Act. 930 00:43:02,330 --> 00:43:04,160 You know, the Violence Against Women Act was being written, 931 00:43:04,290 --> 00:43:06,370 it was being, it was being pushed through Congress. 932 00:43:06,450 --> 00:43:08,870 It had stalled in 1994. 933 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,290 The critical factor to get the bill moving again 934 00:43:11,370 --> 00:43:14,450 was that Denise Brown was brought in to testify. 935 00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:17,790 That was probably the scariest thing ever 936 00:43:17,870 --> 00:43:20,410 besides going into the criminal court and being on the stand. 937 00:43:20,540 --> 00:43:23,910 But walking in there 938 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,000 and seeing this and going, oh, my God. 939 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,160 Oh, my God, this is really crazy. 940 00:43:28,250 --> 00:43:30,000 It is the women whose deaths 941 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,950 don't make it on the evening news 942 00:43:31,950 --> 00:43:34,750 who are counting on this Congress to do what is right. 943 00:43:34,830 --> 00:43:38,000 Nicole's murder really helped increase national awareness 944 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,620 and support for the Violence Against Women Act. 945 00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:45,790 And I think also very clearly showed the way that 946 00:43:45,870 --> 00:43:49,660 domestic abuse can escalate to murder. 947 00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:52,330 DENISE: I thought, I couldn't help Nicole, 948 00:43:52,410 --> 00:43:54,250 but maybe I can save another life. 949 00:43:54,330 --> 00:43:58,040 And it's a dirty little secret that nobody wants to talk about. 950 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,290 I said, no, we're gonna talk about it. 951 00:44:01,370 --> 00:44:05,160 I go to, um, to the prisons, I-I see the batterers. 952 00:44:05,250 --> 00:44:07,830 I see the victims. I go to the shelters. 953 00:44:07,950 --> 00:44:10,830 I see the little children, I see the looks on their faces. 954 00:44:10,910 --> 00:44:13,830 What I did, and moving forward 955 00:44:13,870 --> 00:44:16,660 and trying to help victims of domestic violence, 956 00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:18,160 did he try to do anything like that? 957 00:44:19,540 --> 00:44:20,750 WOMAN: Whoa! 958 00:44:20,830 --> 00:44:22,160 -See that yellow flag? -Yeah. 959 00:44:22,250 --> 00:44:24,700 -That's amazing-- -♪ They call me Juice ♪ 960 00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:26,540 ♪ The Juice. ♪ 961 00:44:26,540 --> 00:44:29,200 DENISE: All he cared about was going on the golf course 962 00:44:29,330 --> 00:44:30,500 and trying to find the killer. 963 00:44:30,580 --> 00:44:33,660 "I will pursue, as my primary goal in life, 964 00:44:33,700 --> 00:44:35,410 "the killer or killers 965 00:44:35,540 --> 00:44:37,660 who slaughtered Nicole and Mr. Goldman." 966 00:44:37,700 --> 00:44:39,000 Victims of domestic violence 967 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,450 were a heck of a lot more important 968 00:44:40,540 --> 00:44:42,160 than trying to find the killer 969 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,250 when he's staring you right in the face. 970 00:44:45,450 --> 00:44:47,330 You know, every day, you wake up in the morning 971 00:44:47,410 --> 00:44:49,750 and you look at yourself in the mirror and there you are. 972 00:44:49,830 --> 00:44:52,410 Hello. We found you. 973 00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:55,410 O.J. said to me that he, uh, had a surprise for me. 974 00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:57,120 I think it was his idea of a joke. 975 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,660 My producer said he was looking for a knife, 976 00:44:59,750 --> 00:45:01,830 uh, from somebody who had ordered room service, 977 00:45:01,870 --> 00:45:03,910 but he couldn't find one. 978 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,250 He decided to stab me with a banana. 979 00:45:06,370 --> 00:45:07,330 And this is it. 980 00:45:07,370 --> 00:45:10,200 (imitating Psycho score) 981 00:45:12,580 --> 00:45:14,660 Sydney used to tell me when they got older 982 00:45:14,750 --> 00:45:17,250 that any time anybody went on TV and made statements 983 00:45:17,330 --> 00:45:20,500 that they would get more meda following them around 984 00:45:20,580 --> 00:45:22,330 and they didn't like it. 985 00:45:22,370 --> 00:45:28,370 I-I know they don't like being reminded of it, at all. 986 00:45:28,450 --> 00:45:32,120 And certain things that have been written and so on, 987 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,290 they were resentful about reading. 988 00:45:34,370 --> 00:45:36,750 And I don't blame them. 989 00:45:36,830 --> 00:45:39,540 They just want to be normal, normal kids 990 00:45:39,620 --> 00:45:42,160 and just raise families. 991 00:45:42,250 --> 00:45:46,250 And I think that's primarily why they haven't been in the media. 992 00:45:46,330 --> 00:45:47,540 They haven't spoken to the media, 993 00:45:47,660 --> 00:45:49,620 and they don't like the media. 994 00:45:49,700 --> 00:45:51,580 They say that as soon as there's anything 995 00:45:51,660 --> 00:45:52,950 in the media, they get hounded. 996 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,830 At least that's what Sydney says. 997 00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:58,750 So, Denise and I didn't talk for a long time. 998 00:45:58,830 --> 00:46:01,830 Yeah, when she got more public, 999 00:46:01,950 --> 00:46:04,330 we didn't talk for years. 1000 00:46:05,370 --> 00:46:08,830 I think it was harder for me or for our relationship 1001 00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:12,000 with the kids because I was so vocal on talking 1002 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,500 about his guilt and saying he was guilty. 1003 00:46:14,540 --> 00:46:16,120 And then I was talking about Sydney and Justin 1004 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,580 and I don't think they like that very much, either. 1005 00:46:18,700 --> 00:46:20,870 If I didn't go out and speak, 1006 00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:22,950 I was letting my sister down. 1007 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:27,120 If I did go out and speak, I was letting them down. 1008 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,500 I wouldn't be a sister, a real, true sister, 1009 00:46:34,540 --> 00:46:36,330 and love my sister as much as I did 1010 00:46:36,450 --> 00:46:38,160 if I wouldn't do this for her. 1011 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,290 ♪ 1012 00:46:54,250 --> 00:46:57,500 FAYE: It was like the end of innocence. 1013 00:46:57,580 --> 00:47:00,620 It was like all of a sudden we had to grow up 1014 00:47:00,700 --> 00:47:03,000 in a terrible world. 1015 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,790 And see terrible things. 1016 00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:10,750 I want to exorcise 1017 00:47:10,830 --> 00:47:12,870 from my mind 1018 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,500 a girl laying on the sidewalk in a little black dress 1019 00:47:15,620 --> 00:47:17,660 and a pool of blood, 1020 00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:20,040 because that's not who she was. 1021 00:47:21,370 --> 00:47:23,870 JUDIE: I would like Nicole to be remembered 1022 00:47:23,950 --> 00:47:28,660 for a beautiful, vibrant, 1023 00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:31,660 authentic daughter, 1024 00:47:31,790 --> 00:47:36,120 wife, mother and someone 1025 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,580 to be admired for all her good qualities. 1026 00:47:39,870 --> 00:47:43,000 KRIS: And just so generous and just so willing 1027 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,080 to give of herself and her heart and her time 1028 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,580 and help anybody that needed it. 1029 00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:53,950 JIM: She was humble. She was fun. 1030 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,870 And a true friend. 1031 00:47:55,950 --> 00:47:59,000 She would defend you to the ends of the earth. 1032 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,700 I know I've said it a "thousand times" thing, 1033 00:48:00,790 --> 00:48:02,330 but she was, she's-- 1034 00:48:02,370 --> 00:48:05,450 She's that picture of Mom of the Year. 1035 00:48:05,540 --> 00:48:06,950 She's it. 1036 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,580 I hope that by keeping her memory alive, 1037 00:48:11,660 --> 00:48:13,950 the person that she really was, 1038 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,000 that maybe it could help 1039 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,540 someone else out there 1040 00:48:19,660 --> 00:48:22,160 that is another Nicole 1041 00:48:22,250 --> 00:48:25,910 get out of something that might 1042 00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:27,870 ruin their lives or take their lives. 1043 00:48:29,660 --> 00:48:32,830 D'ANNE: Nicole was truly one of the special people 1044 00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:37,540 that welcomes you into her home and her family. 1045 00:48:37,540 --> 00:48:42,370 And I want the world to know that we missed out. 1046 00:48:42,450 --> 00:48:44,450 We all missed out. 1047 00:48:44,540 --> 00:48:45,910 I-I just... 1048 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,040 cathartically want to talk about her, 1049 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,700 talk about who she was, what she was to me, 1050 00:48:51,790 --> 00:48:53,290 what she was to other people, 1051 00:48:53,370 --> 00:48:58,000 and how I will never, ever regret meeting her. 1052 00:49:01,330 --> 00:49:05,660 No one should be remembered for their last moments, 1053 00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:07,870 their last hours, their last day. 1054 00:49:07,870 --> 00:49:12,040 Everyone should be remembered for all that went before that. 1055 00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:17,660 And with Nicole, there were beautiful times. 1056 00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:19,950 And she's a beautiful person. 1057 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,330 And we all are finite. 1058 00:49:24,410 --> 00:49:28,200 So, remember while we were here, not how we left. 1059 00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:38,330 PRODUCER: A-cam speeds. 1060 00:49:39,870 --> 00:49:41,500 -Are you ready? -AD: 10/13. 1061 00:49:41,580 --> 00:49:42,750 Speed. 1062 00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:44,040 PRODUCER: Thank you, thank you. 1063 00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:56,040 You know, it's funny, because I was angry 1064 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,830 for probably 13 years after Nicole's murder. 1065 00:49:59,910 --> 00:50:02,950 But I realized while we were here, 1066 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,290 I still have a lot of anger in me, you know? 1067 00:50:06,370 --> 00:50:07,910 And then you have to sit there and you have to think, 1068 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:09,450 okay, well, there was great things, too, 1069 00:50:09,540 --> 00:50:11,830 and there was nice people, too, and things like that. 1070 00:50:11,950 --> 00:50:15,620 So, it took me probably about 13 years. 1071 00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:19,660 What gets me is that I was getting the point to... 1072 00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:21,200 I was getting to know her. 1073 00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,700 And it was really a shame because I was... 1074 00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:28,250 I was looking forward to that, doing more of that, like, 1075 00:50:28,330 --> 00:50:30,620 hey, Nic, let's go do lunch, you know? 1076 00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:32,700 Let's do coffee, or, you know, 1077 00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:34,790 I'll come up and spend some time. 1078 00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:37,750 -And that's what I missed out on. -DOMINIQUE: Yeah. 1079 00:50:37,830 --> 00:50:40,950 You're so afraid that you're gonna forget someone. 1080 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,330 DENISE: Yeah. 1081 00:50:42,410 --> 00:50:44,870 Because you're afraid that so much time passes 1082 00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:47,830 that you're not gonna remember 1083 00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:50,120 what their voice sounds like. 1084 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,000 And I remember, you know? 1085 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,620 -It feels really good to me. -Oh, that's nice. 1086 00:50:55,700 --> 00:50:58,330 -It feels really good to me. -Oh, I'm so glad. Yeah. 1087 00:50:58,370 --> 00:51:01,290 CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY A+E NETWORKS 1088 00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,040 ♪ 1089 00:51:31,790 --> 00:51:34,450 -Mwah. -(cooing) 84311

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