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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,290 --> 00:00:06,080 Here I am, all done swimming. 2 00:00:07,250 --> 00:00:09,500 Say, "That was fun, Mommy." 3 00:00:11,700 --> 00:00:14,000 DENISE: Nicole wanted that white picket fence, 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,540 those 2.5 kids, you know? 5 00:00:16,660 --> 00:00:17,750 She wanted that life. 6 00:00:17,870 --> 00:00:19,160 (laughter) 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,540 NICOLE: O.J., you look gorgeous right now. 8 00:00:21,660 --> 00:00:24,160 FAYE: As she was learning how to be who she was... 9 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,750 ...she was murdered. 10 00:00:28,870 --> 00:00:31,040 Absolutely, 100% not guilty. 11 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,540 DENISE: There was so much public opinin 12 00:00:33,620 --> 00:00:35,000 about everything. 13 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:36,500 I never thought he did it in the first place. 14 00:00:36,500 --> 00:00:38,580 He said if he ever did it, he would get away with it. 15 00:00:38,700 --> 00:00:40,000 He knows what he did! 16 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,160 Great individual, I hope it's not true. 17 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,330 -MAN 2: O.J. today, O.J.! -WOMAN: I'm very happy 18 00:00:44,330 --> 00:00:45,830 for his family, for his children. 19 00:00:45,870 --> 00:00:47,120 I'm very happy. 20 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:48,700 D'ANNE: I mean, my God, it was 21 00:00:48,790 --> 00:00:50,120 everywhere you went. 22 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,790 A man widely admired in this country is now 23 00:00:52,870 --> 00:00:55,540 caught in the web of a terrible tragedy. 24 00:00:55,620 --> 00:00:57,830 The Brown family is angry 25 00:00:57,950 --> 00:01:01,160 at the tabloid coverage of her brief life as a single woman. 26 00:01:01,250 --> 00:01:04,330 The media descended like vultures. 27 00:01:04,410 --> 00:01:06,000 REPORTER: $24,000. 28 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,500 $300,000... $30,000 a week. 29 00:01:09,580 --> 00:01:12,330 MAN 3: It's a massive influx of tourists, hundreds 30 00:01:12,410 --> 00:01:14,200 of thousands of dollars, even millions of dollars 31 00:01:14,330 --> 00:01:16,500 that people made off of that trial. 32 00:01:16,540 --> 00:01:19,870 WOMAN 2: The most notorious, most highly publicized 33 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:21,830 trial of the century. 34 00:01:21,910 --> 00:01:24,370 Okay, I killed the bitch. 35 00:01:24,500 --> 00:01:26,160 It won't fit. 36 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:27,200 Aah! Oh, my God! 37 00:01:27,330 --> 00:01:30,000 -It doesn't fit. -Look at that. 38 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,500 Oh, no. O.J. has struck again. How about that? 39 00:01:32,580 --> 00:01:34,330 DENISE: You didn't know who you could trust. 40 00:01:34,370 --> 00:01:37,080 -Who's talking to the media? -I totally believe 41 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:38,660 in my friend's innocence. 42 00:01:38,750 --> 00:01:41,330 DENISE: It wasn't about Nicole, it wasn't about Ron. 43 00:01:41,370 --> 00:01:43,160 It was about who could win. Who played the best game. 44 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,120 COCHRAN: If it doesn't fit, 45 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,080 you must acquit. 46 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,040 It is shortly before noon, Chicago time, 47 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:50,660 and history is in the making. 48 00:01:50,750 --> 00:01:52,910 FOREWOMAN: We, the jury, in the above entitled action, 49 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,000 find the defendant not guilty. 50 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,080 DENISE: Let's get away with murder. 51 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,830 JASON: I will pursue the killer or killers 52 00:02:00,950 --> 00:02:03,660 who slaughtered Nicole and Mr. Goldman. 53 00:02:03,700 --> 00:02:06,000 DENISE: My God, if he was gonna look for the murderer, 54 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,870 he sure didn't do a very good job. 55 00:02:08,950 --> 00:02:10,950 ♪ They call me Juice. ♪ 56 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:12,160 (screeching) 57 00:02:12,250 --> 00:02:13,540 ♪ The Juice. ♪ 58 00:02:15,540 --> 00:02:18,080 WOMAN: It just seemed like a big game. 59 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,080 Only one time did I physically 60 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,000 try to force my will on Nicole Simpson. 61 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,910 -911 emergency. -NICOLE: Can you get someone over here now? 62 00:02:24,910 --> 00:02:27,160 -He's back. -Wait a minute, what's your name? 63 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:28,160 NICOLE: Nicole Simpson. 64 00:02:28,330 --> 00:02:29,830 If anything, I was 65 00:02:29,950 --> 00:02:32,410 a peacemaker in this house. 66 00:02:32,500 --> 00:02:35,790 DENISE: I mean, he (bleep) up our whole family. 67 00:02:35,870 --> 00:02:39,330 How could one person (bleep) up so many people's lives? 68 00:02:40,500 --> 00:02:43,080 Her children missed out, her family missed out. 69 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,040 NICOLE: ♪ Hello, Sydney. ♪ 70 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,040 DENISE: I honestly believe that this world does not know... 71 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:51,790 PARTYGOERS: ♪ Happy birthday... ♪ 72 00:02:51,870 --> 00:02:54,250 ...who Nicole Brown was. 73 00:02:55,750 --> 00:02:57,790 NICOLE: I love you. 74 00:02:59,660 --> 00:03:02,450 ♪ 75 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,250 O.J.: The person who's made the most money out of Nicole's deah 76 00:03:32,330 --> 00:03:33,870 is Denise Brown. 77 00:03:33,950 --> 00:03:35,330 -She ain't on welfare anymore. -DENISE: Excuse me! 78 00:03:35,410 --> 00:03:38,160 You murdered Nicole and you know you did it. 79 00:03:38,250 --> 00:03:41,120 And, you know, I mean, you're just amazing. 80 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:42,540 What have you ever given me, O.J.? 81 00:03:42,660 --> 00:03:44,160 -O.J.: You're so guilty. -DENISE: You and I, 82 00:03:44,250 --> 00:03:46,370 we didn't get along because you couldn't control me. 83 00:03:46,450 --> 00:03:48,330 -That's why we didn't get along. -Oh, is that it? I think it was 84 00:03:48,410 --> 00:03:50,660 'cause Nicole was afraid you were gonna have sex with m. 85 00:03:50,750 --> 00:03:52,540 -Oh, please! -That's why we didn't get alon. 86 00:03:52,620 --> 00:03:54,080 -It was Nicole that told you to stay away. -Oh, please. 87 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,450 Your ego is just really riding a little bit too high, Simpson. 88 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,790 Mm. (inhales deeply) 89 00:04:01,870 --> 00:04:04,790 PRODUCER: This is Denise interview, take one. 90 00:04:04,870 --> 00:04:06,750 Three cameras. 91 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,620 Oh, okay. 92 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,450 Uh, is there, there's only one name I don't want to say, 93 00:04:19,540 --> 00:04:22,330 if you don't mind. Ever. 94 00:04:23,910 --> 00:04:25,790 DENISE: Okay. 95 00:04:25,870 --> 00:04:27,200 Him. 96 00:04:30,950 --> 00:04:32,750 (children laughing) 97 00:04:36,450 --> 00:04:39,950 DENISE: I was always protecting Nicole 98 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,000 even when we were young. 99 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:46,120 The two of us being less than two years apart in age, 100 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:47,870 we had that closeness. 101 00:04:52,410 --> 00:04:54,830 I was born in Germany, in Frankfurt. 102 00:04:54,950 --> 00:04:57,120 My mother is German, she was in Stuttgart. 103 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:58,790 And my father was an American. 104 00:05:00,870 --> 00:05:03,950 And he went over there for World War II. 105 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,660 And they met after the war. 106 00:05:08,660 --> 00:05:10,000 He decided that he was going to move 107 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,160 the family to California and 108 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,160 it was just Nicole and I 109 00:05:15,290 --> 00:05:18,120 until 1964, when Dominique was born. 110 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,370 ♪ 111 00:05:23,620 --> 00:05:26,250 I feel like I've kept my Nicole 112 00:05:26,330 --> 00:05:28,250 really private for so long. 113 00:05:28,370 --> 00:05:29,910 She was very, very stubborn. 114 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,500 She was very, very determined 115 00:05:31,620 --> 00:05:34,160 to a point where she was gonna do what she wanted to do 116 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:35,870 no matter what. 117 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,200 My mom called her hard-headed. 118 00:05:38,290 --> 00:05:42,040 You know, maybe it's time to rekindle the... 119 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,410 the flame of Nicole. 120 00:05:46,750 --> 00:05:48,290 The dynamics between Nicole and I, 121 00:05:48,370 --> 00:05:50,540 we were just always together. 122 00:05:50,660 --> 00:05:53,160 When we moved to Laguna Beach 123 00:05:53,250 --> 00:05:54,620 down to Monarch Bay, 124 00:05:54,700 --> 00:05:56,950 I was a-a senior and she was a junior. 125 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,330 And everybody thought, "Oh, that's gonna be 126 00:05:59,410 --> 00:06:01,040 so difficult for the girls." 127 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:02,580 And... I don't know. 128 00:06:02,660 --> 00:06:04,160 It wasn't difficult for us, and I think 129 00:06:04,250 --> 00:06:05,700 it was because we had each other. 130 00:06:05,700 --> 00:06:07,370 We would talk about the boys and, 131 00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:10,080 you know, about her dreams, about, 132 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,500 you know, wanting her kids 133 00:06:12,580 --> 00:06:14,540 and wanting to be a mom. 134 00:06:14,620 --> 00:06:17,080 Everybody running around the house, 135 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,500 and just like what my mom and dad had. 136 00:06:19,540 --> 00:06:21,000 TANYA: We're really lucky. 137 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,080 We come from a really... kind of a perfect family. 138 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:26,620 But we're not perfect. 139 00:06:26,700 --> 00:06:28,580 But compared to what's out there, 140 00:06:28,700 --> 00:06:31,080 we're really blessed to have the family that we did. 141 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:32,620 A camera, ooh! 142 00:06:32,700 --> 00:06:34,500 -Mama loves the camera. -(laughs) 143 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,830 Hi. Whoop! 144 00:06:39,910 --> 00:06:41,410 (lively chatter) 145 00:06:41,500 --> 00:06:43,330 (laughs) Oh, I just escaped that! 146 00:06:43,370 --> 00:06:45,330 My name is Judie Manto. 147 00:06:45,370 --> 00:06:47,500 And I've been friends with the Brown family 148 00:06:47,540 --> 00:06:49,750 for approximately 50 years. 149 00:06:51,750 --> 00:06:54,410 Judi, who is Nicole's mother, 150 00:06:54,500 --> 00:06:57,290 probably my best friend. 151 00:06:57,370 --> 00:07:00,830 And she was a nurturing, beautiful woman. 152 00:07:02,540 --> 00:07:06,410 Judi and I kind of gravitated to one another. 153 00:07:06,500 --> 00:07:10,540 We'd spend a lot of time at each other's houses. 154 00:07:12,540 --> 00:07:15,000 I have often thought, 155 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,330 in regards to my friend Judi, 156 00:07:17,410 --> 00:07:21,500 would we rather have spared... 157 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,500 ...ourselves the terrible heartbreak 158 00:07:25,540 --> 00:07:28,370 of some of the events we've been through, 159 00:07:28,450 --> 00:07:31,160 never having known these people? 160 00:07:32,540 --> 00:07:35,950 And when I give myself that test, it's always... 161 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,370 no, I want to know and love these people. 162 00:07:39,370 --> 00:07:41,160 That's better. 163 00:07:42,330 --> 00:07:45,040 I think living in Monarch Bay, 164 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,700 it was a bit being in a bubble for our children. 165 00:07:48,790 --> 00:07:51,330 Nicole had a great friend, fortunately, 166 00:07:51,410 --> 00:07:53,790 who was a neighbor young man. 167 00:07:53,870 --> 00:07:56,410 So they became roommates in Los Angeles. 168 00:07:56,500 --> 00:07:59,040 And that was a relief to the Browns. 169 00:08:04,290 --> 00:08:05,750 I'm David LeBon. 170 00:08:05,830 --> 00:08:09,160 I've known the Brown families for almost 40 years. 171 00:08:09,290 --> 00:08:10,750 (cheering, clamoring) 172 00:08:10,830 --> 00:08:13,080 Nicole decided that she wanted 173 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,660 to come move up when she was 18 to live with me. 174 00:08:16,750 --> 00:08:19,700 I had a studio apartment, very small apartment. 175 00:08:19,790 --> 00:08:23,870 Just one bed in the living room that folded out like a couch. 176 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,830 I let her sleep on that, and I had a sleeping bag. 177 00:08:26,870 --> 00:08:29,830 It was good times back then, really good times. 178 00:08:30,830 --> 00:08:33,120 A lot of things I just don't remember. 179 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,080 It's been a long time. 180 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:36,870 When you talk to my ex-wife, 181 00:08:36,950 --> 00:08:40,370 she remembers when she was three. I can't, so, you know? 182 00:08:40,540 --> 00:08:43,450 -Oh, that's all right. -Dirty like me. 183 00:08:43,540 --> 00:08:45,750 Joey likes it. 184 00:08:45,830 --> 00:08:48,330 My name is D'Anne Purcilly. 185 00:08:48,370 --> 00:08:51,160 And I was married to David LeBon. 186 00:08:51,250 --> 00:08:53,330 When I first met Nicole, 187 00:08:53,410 --> 00:08:56,660 the stories that were told to me 188 00:08:56,750 --> 00:08:59,370 were stories when she moved in 189 00:08:59,500 --> 00:09:02,700 with my ex-husband David in Hollywood. 190 00:09:02,830 --> 00:09:05,750 And David said she went to work 191 00:09:05,870 --> 00:09:09,580 at The Daisy and she was working as a hostess. 192 00:09:11,950 --> 00:09:15,040 And that's where she met O.J. 193 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,750 DAVID: Nicole came home one night and she said, 194 00:09:20,830 --> 00:09:22,660 "I've met this guy." 195 00:09:22,700 --> 00:09:25,250 He kept coming in and seeing her and 196 00:09:25,330 --> 00:09:27,660 he had this obsession about her. 197 00:09:27,750 --> 00:09:30,160 She just said, "Oh, he's a, he's some football player. 198 00:09:30,290 --> 00:09:32,660 that's all I know, and his name's O.J. Simpson." 199 00:09:32,790 --> 00:09:34,370 And I went, "Oh, crap." 200 00:09:34,450 --> 00:09:36,540 She goes, "Well, I think, you know, we're gonna go out." 201 00:09:36,620 --> 00:09:39,160 And I went, "Oh, geez, really? 202 00:09:39,250 --> 00:09:40,830 Well, he's much older." 203 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,200 So I said, "Well, when you go out, 204 00:09:43,290 --> 00:09:44,750 I want you home by 12:00." 205 00:09:44,870 --> 00:09:48,790 David said he picked her up in his Rolls Royce. 206 00:09:48,910 --> 00:09:52,250 Impressed her. I mean, you're talking about an 18-year-old. 207 00:09:52,370 --> 00:09:54,410 They came home from the date. 208 00:09:54,500 --> 00:09:57,000 And when she came home, 209 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,450 her pants were ripped. 210 00:09:59,540 --> 00:10:02,160 The zipper was ripped, and they were jeans. 211 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,500 And Dave is like, "You can't just rip jeans 212 00:10:05,580 --> 00:10:08,120 like a linen-something or, you know." 213 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,450 And I said, "Nicole, what hap-- what happened to you?" 214 00:10:11,540 --> 00:10:13,750 "He got a little forceful." And I said, 215 00:10:13,870 --> 00:10:15,870 "Why would you let him do that to you? 216 00:10:15,950 --> 00:10:18,660 Why, on your first date, would you, you know?" 217 00:10:18,790 --> 00:10:21,250 "David, calm down." And I was so pissed. 218 00:10:22,580 --> 00:10:24,790 He was really upset, and he wanted to go out 219 00:10:24,870 --> 00:10:27,500 and, you know, kind of have a few words. 220 00:10:27,580 --> 00:10:31,370 And she said, "No, don't. I really like him. 221 00:10:31,370 --> 00:10:33,830 I really, really like him." 222 00:10:33,870 --> 00:10:35,750 She fell in love with him 223 00:10:35,830 --> 00:10:37,540 I think the first time she met him. 224 00:10:37,620 --> 00:10:39,870 She's just a girl from Laguna 225 00:10:39,950 --> 00:10:42,660 that met a guy that swept her off her feet. 226 00:10:42,750 --> 00:10:45,500 They fell in love. 227 00:10:45,540 --> 00:10:47,870 And... 228 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,790 had this perfect little life. 229 00:10:51,910 --> 00:10:54,700 MAN'S VOICE: Oh, dear God. 230 00:10:59,580 --> 00:11:02,000 In the 60s, I became a sports photographer, 231 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:03,540 working for Sport magazine. 232 00:11:03,620 --> 00:11:06,080 And SC had a great, 233 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,000 great football team led by O.J. Simpson. 234 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,290 And I-I made a very, very iconic picture 235 00:11:13,370 --> 00:11:17,120 of O.J., you know, breaking that record and winning the game. 236 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,950 One day my daughter, on a Sunday, 237 00:11:20,950 --> 00:11:22,500 comes running into the house. 238 00:11:22,580 --> 00:11:24,410 And she says, "Well, I missed. 239 00:11:24,500 --> 00:11:25,700 He threw a long one and I missed it." 240 00:11:25,790 --> 00:11:27,000 I said, "What do you mean 241 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,660 he threw a long one and you missed it?" 242 00:11:28,750 --> 00:11:30,830 She says, "Well, O.J., you know, 243 00:11:30,870 --> 00:11:32,830 he lives across the street, up the street." 244 00:11:32,910 --> 00:11:34,950 I said, "No, I didn't know he lives there." 245 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:36,910 And she says, "Well, yeah, every Sunday, you know, 246 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,950 "in the early morning, while you and Mommy are sleeping, 247 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:40,870 "we go out and he throws footballs 248 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,330 and long ones for us. He plays with the kids." 249 00:11:45,660 --> 00:11:47,910 One morning, all of a sudden, 250 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,830 we get a knock on the door. 251 00:11:50,870 --> 00:11:52,950 There's a police officer that says, 252 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,830 "We just got a call here. What's wrong? 253 00:11:54,870 --> 00:11:56,830 "You know, I'd like to come in, uh, 254 00:11:56,910 --> 00:12:00,290 see your wife, speak to her, you know?" 255 00:12:00,370 --> 00:12:01,910 And I said, "Why?" 256 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,870 He says, "Well, we just got a call." 257 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,000 And I said, "Who are you looking for?" 258 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,000 "Well, this is the Simpson home, isn't it?" 259 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,660 And I said, "No, he's diagonally across the street." 260 00:12:13,750 --> 00:12:15,700 He went up to the house there, 261 00:12:15,790 --> 00:12:17,700 and I don't know what happened after that. 262 00:12:19,450 --> 00:12:21,000 I'm Terry Schauer. 263 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,580 I'm retired Los Angeles police officer. 264 00:12:23,580 --> 00:12:25,160 It was in the '70s. 265 00:12:25,250 --> 00:12:28,450 My partner and I received a radio call, domestic violence. 266 00:12:30,330 --> 00:12:33,000 It was in a residential neighborhood 267 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,000 that's off Mulholland Drive, west of the San Diego Freeway. 268 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:37,950 And we got to the home, 269 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,620 and we were met at the door by a woman. 270 00:12:40,700 --> 00:12:43,080 She'd got into an argument with her husband, 271 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,040 and during the course of the argument, 272 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,160 he became violent with her, struck her. 273 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,080 As I recall, he pulled out some of her hair. 274 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,870 I believe-- my memory is that there was a clump of hair 275 00:12:53,870 --> 00:12:56,330 on the floor in the entryway of the home. 276 00:12:56,410 --> 00:12:59,000 The children were there, you know, being kids, 277 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,000 just kind of standing around, didn't seem overly upset, 278 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,580 that I recall. She was upset. 279 00:13:03,700 --> 00:13:05,250 He had left the scene. 280 00:13:05,330 --> 00:13:06,580 We spoke to her briefly 281 00:13:06,660 --> 00:13:07,660 and kind of got what story we could, 282 00:13:07,750 --> 00:13:08,830 but she didn't really want 283 00:13:08,870 --> 00:13:10,790 to go into a lot of details about it. 284 00:13:10,870 --> 00:13:12,000 She just wanted to leave the house, 285 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,500 and she had no transportation. 286 00:13:14,540 --> 00:13:17,750 She declined a report and wouldn't sign a report. 287 00:13:17,870 --> 00:13:20,540 She said, "My husband's O.J. Simpson, 288 00:13:20,620 --> 00:13:22,370 the football player." 289 00:13:22,500 --> 00:13:24,870 She identified herself as Marguerite Simpson. 290 00:13:38,290 --> 00:13:39,910 O.J.: Marguerite, well, you know, she's my lady, and, uh, 291 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,660 I was a little wild before I met her, 292 00:13:41,750 --> 00:13:43,040 and she's settled me down. 293 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,000 MARGUERITE: I love the area that we live i. 294 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:49,120 It's quiet, you know, and, uh, we have a lot of time together. 295 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,160 Usually, he plays a lot of tennis. 296 00:13:53,250 --> 00:13:55,370 SCHILLER: Marguerite, his first wife, 297 00:13:55,450 --> 00:13:58,500 would talk about him getting very, very angry 298 00:13:58,580 --> 00:14:00,040 and flipping out and, uh, 299 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,200 using maybe the back of his hand or something like that, 300 00:14:03,290 --> 00:14:05,790 or push or shove her and this or that. 301 00:14:05,870 --> 00:14:07,330 And it became... 302 00:14:07,410 --> 00:14:10,000 I don't want to say the talk of the neighborhood, 303 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:14,200 but Marguerite wasn't afraid to express herself 304 00:14:14,290 --> 00:14:17,330 and her difficulties with those people. 305 00:14:19,790 --> 00:14:21,620 The short and long of it is, 306 00:14:21,700 --> 00:14:24,200 sometimes, the aftermath of an event 307 00:14:24,290 --> 00:14:26,830 is more telling than the event itself. 308 00:14:29,700 --> 00:14:31,620 Her name is Veterdata Jones. 309 00:14:31,700 --> 00:14:34,370 After months of watching her famous brother-in-law's 310 00:14:34,450 --> 00:14:35,700 fall from grace, 311 00:14:35,830 --> 00:14:38,040 she decided she had to speak out. 312 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:42,330 What about reports O.J. was abusive to your sister? 313 00:14:42,370 --> 00:14:44,250 Are those true? 314 00:14:44,370 --> 00:14:47,910 They had their moments where they would disagree on things, 315 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,250 but they were both very private. 316 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,950 My name is Veterdata Jones. 317 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,000 I am Marguerite's youngest sister. 318 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,580 I believe they met in high school. 319 00:15:02,910 --> 00:15:06,120 But she was originally dating Al Cowlings. 320 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:08,830 O.J.: A.C. Al Cowlings. (chuckles) 321 00:15:08,910 --> 00:15:10,500 Al and I, I mean, what can you say? 322 00:15:10,580 --> 00:15:12,830 If anybody say, "Well, O.J. hasn't changed." 323 00:15:12,910 --> 00:15:15,500 Well, Al probably has a lot to do with that. 324 00:15:16,620 --> 00:15:20,080 VETERDATA: A.C.-- Al Cowlings-- introduced her 325 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,160 to Orenthal James, 326 00:15:22,250 --> 00:15:24,330 and O.J. 327 00:15:24,410 --> 00:15:28,200 moved in on my sister, and I guess they had chemistry 328 00:15:28,330 --> 00:15:31,160 and decided to 329 00:15:31,250 --> 00:15:33,790 become a couple. I don't know. (chuckles) 330 00:15:33,870 --> 00:15:36,040 They all remained very close friends. 331 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:37,910 I was five years old. 332 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,250 I was flower girl in their wedding. 333 00:15:40,330 --> 00:15:42,410 And when I was in elementary school, 334 00:15:42,500 --> 00:15:46,580 he was in his freshman year at USC, 335 00:15:46,660 --> 00:15:49,330 and he was famous. 336 00:15:49,410 --> 00:15:50,450 It... 337 00:15:52,330 --> 00:15:54,910 ...affected the way my sister felt about him 338 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,830 and their relationship as a whole. 339 00:15:58,870 --> 00:16:02,830 He was no longer the person that she married. 340 00:16:02,870 --> 00:16:07,250 She felt that his fame had created 341 00:16:07,330 --> 00:16:11,040 someone else, like, he became a different person. 342 00:16:28,370 --> 00:16:30,910 I would not want to... Yeah, I don't think I should go there. 343 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,160 I think she should address that herself, 344 00:16:33,250 --> 00:16:36,000 if she wants that aired and publicized. 345 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,580 I think that's her prerogative to address that. 346 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,910 It was challenging for them both, 347 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,330 Margie and O.J., um, 348 00:16:46,370 --> 00:16:50,160 to try to come together and reach a happy medium 349 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:51,660 in their relationship. 350 00:16:51,750 --> 00:16:53,330 They were in the process of... 351 00:16:53,410 --> 00:16:55,950 I don't know at what point in the relationship, 352 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:57,370 at Rockingham. 353 00:16:57,450 --> 00:17:00,120 I know it was a joint effort to refurbish 354 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,330 the English Tudor, the home, 355 00:17:03,370 --> 00:17:06,950 and things just seemed to have gotten worse. 356 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:11,870 The paparazzi escalated with information 357 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,000 about him and other women. 358 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,330 I don't know if he met Nicole before Rockingham. 359 00:17:17,370 --> 00:17:19,910 I do not know when that relationship started. 360 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,830 He certainly didn't share it with me. 361 00:17:21,950 --> 00:17:23,750 I mean, we were pretty close. 362 00:17:23,830 --> 00:17:26,000 O.J. was always like a brother, 363 00:17:26,120 --> 00:17:27,500 not like my brother-in-law, 364 00:17:27,540 --> 00:17:30,330 and I would say to O.J., "You're my brother-in-law." 365 00:17:30,370 --> 00:17:32,040 And he said, "No, I'm your brother." 366 00:17:32,120 --> 00:17:34,080 And to this day, he still insists. 367 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,410 He says, "I'm your brother." 368 00:17:36,500 --> 00:17:38,500 God, it makes me want to cry. 369 00:17:39,660 --> 00:17:41,950 Because I felt 370 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,000 the pain between O.J. as well as my sister, 371 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,160 my compassion for them both. 372 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,330 Marguerite and I had just realized 373 00:17:50,410 --> 00:17:52,370 and decided the night before 374 00:17:52,450 --> 00:17:54,160 that it wasn't working with us, 375 00:17:54,290 --> 00:17:56,660 but it was our anniversary, so I went into Beverly Hills. 376 00:17:56,700 --> 00:17:58,910 I bought her a coat, and I ran into a friend of mine. 377 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:00,950 He said, "Let's have breakfast." 378 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,660 And when we walked in, this... this vision 379 00:18:02,790 --> 00:18:05,000 turned to me and said, "Where do you want to sit?" 380 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,330 Before I went to the party, I had to explain to her 381 00:18:07,410 --> 00:18:08,830 that I was married. (laughs) 382 00:18:08,910 --> 00:18:10,750 Nicole was really in love. 383 00:18:10,830 --> 00:18:13,160 She became a, you know, 384 00:18:13,250 --> 00:18:16,370 a girlfriend of someone who was very famous, an arm piece. 385 00:18:16,450 --> 00:18:19,120 Dave said, just over the course of a month or two, 386 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:21,160 he had just... 387 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,660 brought her in and 388 00:18:23,750 --> 00:18:27,040 turned her into... 389 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,660 like, a starlet. She was just so beautiful. 390 00:18:29,700 --> 00:18:32,950 She would tell me these things, like, you know, 391 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,790 "O.J. taught me how to hold my mouth 392 00:18:36,870 --> 00:18:39,000 "when pictures were being taken 393 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,250 "and how to hold my head and how to stand 394 00:18:42,330 --> 00:18:43,870 and present myself." 395 00:18:43,950 --> 00:18:48,040 So, she was... I felt like she was just being molded by him 396 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:51,040 by the time that I met her, and... 397 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:53,500 But she was very happy and very in love. 398 00:18:55,540 --> 00:18:58,700 There was always a sexual tension 399 00:18:58,790 --> 00:19:02,000 between O.J. and Nicole. 400 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,120 You could just feel it 401 00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:07,950 when somebody has chemistry for another person, 402 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,370 and that's what it felt like. 403 00:19:12,500 --> 00:19:14,580 JUDIE: Judi was really happy. 404 00:19:14,660 --> 00:19:17,660 She would say, "He's a big football player." 405 00:19:17,750 --> 00:19:20,700 You know, she-she thought that that was great, and it was, 406 00:19:20,790 --> 00:19:23,250 of course. He was one of the best football players ever. 407 00:19:23,370 --> 00:19:25,750 And then the things that he would do to annoy Judi, 408 00:19:25,870 --> 00:19:29,450 she would just blow it off, you know, like, oh, so what? 409 00:19:29,540 --> 00:19:30,790 It's nothing. 410 00:19:32,790 --> 00:19:36,370 Like having them all have to have manicures and pedicures. 411 00:19:37,410 --> 00:19:40,700 Which I find odd, but... (laughs) 412 00:19:40,830 --> 00:19:42,830 I mean, if you want your wife to have manicures and pedicures, 413 00:19:42,910 --> 00:19:44,330 great, go for it. 414 00:19:44,410 --> 00:19:47,080 But Judi would say, you know, we'd be in our sandals, 415 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:48,500 and she-she'd say, 416 00:19:48,540 --> 00:19:50,660 "O.J. would hate to look at my toes right now. 417 00:19:50,700 --> 00:19:54,370 They're not painted right," or something, and I go, "What?" 418 00:19:54,450 --> 00:19:56,040 Um... 419 00:19:56,120 --> 00:19:57,120 (sighs) 420 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,330 O.J. would consult Judi a lot. 421 00:20:00,410 --> 00:20:02,500 He would call her for advice. 422 00:20:02,580 --> 00:20:05,160 DENISE: He felt like he could call her anytime. 423 00:20:05,250 --> 00:20:07,330 And he did call her anytime. 424 00:20:07,410 --> 00:20:10,290 He called her in good times, and he also called her in bad times. 425 00:20:10,370 --> 00:20:12,290 When they were having an argument or a fight, 426 00:20:12,370 --> 00:20:14,910 he would round up his posse, basically, 427 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,290 to say, "Your daughter did this. 428 00:20:17,370 --> 00:20:18,910 Your daughter did this." 429 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,330 You know, to bitch about Nicole. 430 00:20:20,370 --> 00:20:22,160 O.J. would say that she was being crazy 431 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:23,290 or oversensitive. 432 00:20:23,370 --> 00:20:25,500 Being oversensitive, basically, 433 00:20:25,540 --> 00:20:27,790 turns it into she did something that was wrong, 434 00:20:27,870 --> 00:20:31,660 and it was not his fault that they were having an argument. 435 00:20:31,700 --> 00:20:33,700 The only thing is that then they would make up, 436 00:20:33,790 --> 00:20:37,200 and my parents would still be thinking about it. 437 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,330 But it was like they would have arguments 438 00:20:41,370 --> 00:20:43,660 like couples have arguments. 439 00:20:43,700 --> 00:20:46,540 ANNOUNCER: San Francisco, 1977, 440 00:20:46,620 --> 00:20:48,450 the same year Nicole and O.J. met, 441 00:20:48,540 --> 00:20:50,620 she writes, "The abuse began." 442 00:20:50,700 --> 00:20:51,700 Quote... 443 00:20:59,950 --> 00:21:04,200 Nicole's secret journal is a diary of hate and violence. 444 00:21:06,330 --> 00:21:08,500 DOMINIQUE: I would call her, or she would call me. I'd be at work, 445 00:21:08,580 --> 00:21:11,200 and, um, we would have our conversations. 446 00:21:11,290 --> 00:21:14,200 She'd say, "Yeah, we got in an argument 447 00:21:14,290 --> 00:21:16,750 last night, but, you know, it was no big deal." 448 00:21:18,750 --> 00:21:21,410 I mean, was there something I should've picked up on? 449 00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:23,540 I probably will always think that, you know? 450 00:21:23,660 --> 00:21:25,540 Was there something, was she trying, 451 00:21:25,620 --> 00:21:28,370 was she sending me subtle-subtle hints of... 452 00:21:28,450 --> 00:21:30,660 that something was going on? I don't know. 453 00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:35,200 Which makes me think, because everybody 454 00:21:35,290 --> 00:21:37,660 needs somebody to talk to. 455 00:21:39,620 --> 00:21:43,370 And I don't think she had somebody to talk to. 456 00:21:57,700 --> 00:21:59,500 -Hi, Mom. -NICOLE: (laughs) Hi, Mom. 457 00:21:59,580 --> 00:22:01,330 Hi, Dad, wherever you may be. 458 00:22:01,410 --> 00:22:06,660 D'ANNE: A.C. has been around as long as O.J. had been around 459 00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:11,160 the Brown family because they were pretty much best friends. 460 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,700 He... truly cared 461 00:22:15,410 --> 00:22:16,700 ...for Nicole, too. 462 00:22:16,790 --> 00:22:18,700 (growling) 463 00:22:20,700 --> 00:22:21,700 (laughs) 464 00:22:23,540 --> 00:22:27,410 Today is April 17, 1996. The time is approximately 09:00. 465 00:22:27,540 --> 00:22:28,910 This is a test to the audiovisual equipment 466 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,290 for the videotape deposition being taken herein. 467 00:22:31,370 --> 00:22:33,620 KELLY: After Marguerite and Simpson were divorced, 468 00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:35,830 did you remain friends with Marguerite? 469 00:22:35,870 --> 00:22:37,580 Uh, yes. 470 00:22:38,790 --> 00:22:41,080 KELLY: Do you recall ever discussing 471 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,450 the divorce with Mr. Simpson prior to it happening? 472 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:47,080 No. 473 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,370 KELLY: He never told you why 474 00:22:48,500 --> 00:22:51,450 -he was divorcing Marguerite? -(sighs) 475 00:22:52,910 --> 00:22:56,200 At the time, him and Nicole was going with each other, so... 476 00:22:56,290 --> 00:22:58,000 I assumed that he wanted to marry Nicole. 477 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,410 KELLY: Do you recall when... 478 00:23:01,830 --> 00:23:04,750 ...Marguerite moved out of Rockingham 479 00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:07,160 and O.J. moved in there? 480 00:23:07,250 --> 00:23:09,040 I guess that would've been in s... 481 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:11,500 in, uh, the fall of '79, I-I guess. 482 00:23:15,950 --> 00:23:16,950 Oh, yeah. 483 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,580 I think there was, um... 484 00:23:19,660 --> 00:23:24,500 um, defiance and anger and resentment on her part, 485 00:23:24,580 --> 00:23:28,410 and it overrode sound judgment and good sense, perhaps. 486 00:23:28,500 --> 00:23:30,750 (siren wailing) 487 00:23:30,750 --> 00:23:33,540 VETERDATA: So, that's probably why the police had to come. 488 00:23:33,620 --> 00:23:37,120 It wasn't because she didn't have enough money to go. 489 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,500 After they divorced, 490 00:23:38,580 --> 00:23:42,370 she was walking through the department store, 491 00:23:42,450 --> 00:23:44,540 and she saw 492 00:23:44,620 --> 00:23:48,370 O.J. carrying a bunch of bags and Nicole at his side. 493 00:23:49,790 --> 00:23:55,000 The divorce was not even a year old, so that was hard. 494 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,910 And she came home devastated, 495 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,580 really hurt, angry. 496 00:24:00,660 --> 00:24:01,870 Like, how could you? 497 00:24:01,950 --> 00:24:03,500 It's like putting a dagger in her gut 498 00:24:03,620 --> 00:24:05,500 and turning it around, like... 499 00:24:05,580 --> 00:24:07,250 And I don't mean to describe it like that, 500 00:24:07,370 --> 00:24:09,330 but she was traumatized. 501 00:24:09,410 --> 00:24:10,950 She was very hurt. 502 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,450 I don't know if she had 503 00:24:13,540 --> 00:24:15,750 a good relationship with Marguerite or not, 504 00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:18,500 but I do know she was a great stepmom. 505 00:24:18,620 --> 00:24:23,160 I think it was a little strained with Arnelle, but not bad. 506 00:24:23,290 --> 00:24:25,160 I-I know she loved Arnelle. 507 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,370 O.J.: There's a little Arnelle. 508 00:24:26,370 --> 00:24:28,040 DENISE: Arnelle, being a girl, 509 00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:30,790 I think she tolerated Nicole. 510 00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:33,830 You know, she was more on the side of Mom. 511 00:24:33,910 --> 00:24:36,580 You know, like, you broke up my mom and dad. 512 00:24:36,660 --> 00:24:37,870 You know, that type of thing. 513 00:24:37,950 --> 00:24:39,750 'Cause girls stick with their mothers. 514 00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:42,870 I know Arnelle would kind of make fun of 515 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,660 the way she would say certain words 516 00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:46,500 or swirl her hair around, 517 00:24:46,580 --> 00:24:48,160 but they were starting to all get close 518 00:24:48,290 --> 00:24:49,620 and come together. 519 00:24:49,700 --> 00:24:52,700 And my sister had let down some of her barriers. 520 00:24:52,790 --> 00:24:56,160 Now, she had a great relationship with Jason, 521 00:24:56,250 --> 00:24:58,330 just a nice kid. 522 00:24:58,410 --> 00:25:01,450 Now, he had kind of a rough time, 523 00:25:01,540 --> 00:25:03,000 uh, with his dad. 524 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,660 My son is 14. We had a duke-out just recently. 525 00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:07,330 You actually had a little fight with your son? 526 00:25:07,370 --> 00:25:08,330 Oh, a little boxing match. 527 00:25:08,450 --> 00:25:09,620 I had to let him know that, uh-- 528 00:25:09,700 --> 00:25:10,540 You mean you were in the ring with him? 529 00:25:10,620 --> 00:25:12,200 Oh, no. In my front yard. 530 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,330 D'ANNE: One night they had a horrible fight, 531 00:25:14,450 --> 00:25:17,410 and Nicole actually called us 532 00:25:17,500 --> 00:25:18,830 and said, you got to get here, 533 00:25:18,910 --> 00:25:23,080 because Jason was attacking 534 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,200 this statue outside with a baseball bat. 535 00:25:26,290 --> 00:25:27,950 He was so angry at his dad. 536 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,700 She would go up and give him big hugs and kisses 537 00:25:31,790 --> 00:25:36,080 and, you know, got to try and understand your dad. 538 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:41,620 She knew that she was probably the main cause 539 00:25:41,620 --> 00:25:45,950 of their parents' marriage demise, 540 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,040 and I think she carried that with her. 541 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,330 And went out of her way 542 00:25:52,410 --> 00:25:54,580 to make sure that those kids knew 543 00:25:54,660 --> 00:25:57,620 that they were welcomed and loved in that house. 544 00:26:00,750 --> 00:26:04,200 PRODUCER: This is RG interview, take one. Marker. 545 00:26:06,330 --> 00:26:07,830 My name is Robin Greer, 546 00:26:07,910 --> 00:26:10,080 and I was close friends with Nicole Brown Simpson 547 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,580 over the years. 548 00:26:12,620 --> 00:26:15,200 The first time that I went to the Rockingham house, 549 00:26:15,290 --> 00:26:17,000 Nicole was living in that house, 550 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,040 and she was definitely the lady of the manor. 551 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:23,160 Rockingham was like 552 00:26:23,250 --> 00:26:26,540 a slightly cleaner version of the Playboy mansion. 553 00:26:26,660 --> 00:26:28,370 And it would be a lot of celebrities 554 00:26:28,450 --> 00:26:30,540 and-and a lot of beautiful girls 555 00:26:30,620 --> 00:26:34,080 and it was sort of the place 556 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,870 to see and be seen, 557 00:26:35,950 --> 00:26:37,950 and everybody wanted to go... go there. 558 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,330 It was, like, really a great invitation. 559 00:26:40,370 --> 00:26:44,700 Rockingham, to me, was like Camelot. 560 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,580 At the time, I thought they were a great couple. 561 00:26:48,660 --> 00:26:53,080 I mean, they seemed like they knew their roles, 562 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,870 and that's what they-- And they liked doing it, 563 00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:56,580 and that was their routine. 564 00:26:56,660 --> 00:26:58,830 And, you know, she was basically just 565 00:26:58,910 --> 00:27:02,580 somebody who, I think, enjoyed running the show 566 00:27:02,580 --> 00:27:04,700 but not being the show. 567 00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:06,750 She let him be the show. 568 00:27:06,830 --> 00:27:09,290 She had her work cut out for her, 569 00:27:09,370 --> 00:27:11,080 trying to be so perfect. 570 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:14,250 It's a lot of work to keep up an image, 571 00:27:14,330 --> 00:27:16,830 to have to... 572 00:27:16,910 --> 00:27:18,950 make everybody happy all the time. 573 00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:21,830 That's hard. 574 00:27:21,910 --> 00:27:25,700 He's stressing me out. His explanation was, 575 00:27:25,790 --> 00:27:27,500 "Well, I've been away all week. 576 00:27:27,620 --> 00:27:30,160 Yeah, I want 100% of her when I'm home." 577 00:27:30,250 --> 00:27:33,450 -PRODUCER: Yeah. -And that would make her really tense. 578 00:27:33,540 --> 00:27:34,830 Because she was a perfectionist. 579 00:27:34,910 --> 00:27:37,080 She wanted everything to be perfect. 580 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,660 She did tell me that he has a bad temper, which we knew. 581 00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:44,500 DENISE: I was up in Los Angeles with Nicole, 582 00:27:44,580 --> 00:27:46,830 and we all went out to dinner. 583 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,580 We went to a Mexican restaurant, 584 00:27:48,660 --> 00:27:50,540 and we started drinking tequila 585 00:27:50,620 --> 00:27:52,330 and having a good time. 586 00:27:52,410 --> 00:27:55,250 And all of a sudden, we come back to the house... 587 00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,660 ...and they had this beautiful bar, 588 00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:02,120 and he starts making more margaritas. 589 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,500 And so we keep drinking the margaritas 590 00:28:04,580 --> 00:28:05,750 and drinking the margaritas. 591 00:28:05,870 --> 00:28:07,620 And then at one point, 592 00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:09,290 I had to open up my mouth. 593 00:28:09,370 --> 00:28:12,660 I said, you know, you really do take my sister for granted. 594 00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:15,830 He started screaming at me. 595 00:28:15,910 --> 00:28:18,290 O.J.: (bleep) in the living room. 596 00:28:18,370 --> 00:28:20,370 -They were here. -NICOLE: (sighs) I'm sorry. 597 00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:21,660 (O.J. shouting) 598 00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:25,500 That went to walking from the bar, 599 00:28:25,540 --> 00:28:27,870 going to the staircase, 600 00:28:27,950 --> 00:28:31,330 throwing pictures of our family 601 00:28:31,410 --> 00:28:32,750 down into the foyer. 602 00:28:32,830 --> 00:28:37,120 (O.J. shouting indistinctly) 603 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,660 But this is the first time I ever saw him, 604 00:28:38,750 --> 00:28:40,950 because, you know how people, when they get angry, 605 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,830 they're, they, like, pulsate. 606 00:28:42,910 --> 00:28:47,330 Their, like, everything starts pulsating here and here. 607 00:28:47,370 --> 00:28:51,910 And I just saw that, and I saw, like, glazed-over eyes 608 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,700 where it didn't even look like he was there anymore. 609 00:28:57,620 --> 00:29:00,870 He comes back down the stairs, 610 00:29:00,950 --> 00:29:02,540 and Nicole is standing there. 611 00:29:02,620 --> 00:29:04,160 He grabs her by the throat, 612 00:29:04,290 --> 00:29:08,160 and he puts her up against the kitchen door, 613 00:29:08,290 --> 00:29:10,660 and he's got her this far off the ground. 614 00:29:10,700 --> 00:29:13,160 At one point, she was at the, uh, at a door, 615 00:29:13,290 --> 00:29:15,160 and this is something that Denise spoke about. 616 00:29:15,250 --> 00:29:18,290 And she started knocking my pictures and things down. 617 00:29:18,370 --> 00:29:19,700 KELLY: What pictures was she knocking down? 618 00:29:19,870 --> 00:29:21,160 Whatever pictures that were around. 619 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,160 On the stairway? 620 00:29:22,290 --> 00:29:25,120 Stairway had a table in my entry, uh, armoire 621 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,660 that had a lot of pictures on it. 622 00:29:26,750 --> 00:29:28,500 She just swiped them all off. 623 00:29:28,580 --> 00:29:31,120 KELLY: While you were-- She, you were yelling at one another? 624 00:29:32,370 --> 00:29:33,250 I wasn't yelling. 625 00:29:33,330 --> 00:29:35,040 What was the, uh, disagreement about? 626 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,870 I don't-- I don't, I really don't know. 627 00:29:44,790 --> 00:29:47,370 (O.J. shouting indistinctly) 628 00:29:47,450 --> 00:29:50,870 Nicole is standing there. He grabs her by the throat, 629 00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:54,540 and he puts her up against the kitchen door, 630 00:29:54,540 --> 00:29:58,660 and he... throws her out the door, 631 00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:00,660 and she ends up on her butt 632 00:30:00,790 --> 00:30:03,540 and ends up with bloodied elbows. 633 00:30:03,620 --> 00:30:06,330 And then he throws me out the door. 634 00:30:06,370 --> 00:30:08,250 But I didn't fall down. 635 00:30:09,660 --> 00:30:13,620 Then, nothing was talked about anymore. 636 00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:16,500 Life went on as usual. 637 00:30:16,540 --> 00:30:17,870 We went over to the house. 638 00:30:17,870 --> 00:30:19,450 It wasn't discussed again. 639 00:30:22,830 --> 00:30:26,870 One of our friends w-who is very close with Nicole, 640 00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:29,250 she told me of some really horrible fights 641 00:30:29,370 --> 00:30:30,950 leading up to them getting married. 642 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,160 HOST: This is Elaine Young, who is Jennifer's mother. 643 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,250 She is a realtor to the stars in Los Angeles, 644 00:30:35,330 --> 00:30:38,410 and she sold O.J. that famous house in Brentwood. 645 00:30:38,410 --> 00:30:40,080 Let's talk to Jennifer first. Y-You were you having-- 646 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,870 Were you in this restaurant having lunch already? 647 00:30:41,950 --> 00:30:44,700 Yes, well, we were waiting to be seated at a table. 648 00:30:44,790 --> 00:30:46,540 I was walking out of the restaurant 649 00:30:46,620 --> 00:30:48,200 with a guy named Randy England, 650 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,750 but Elaine Young's daughter was walking down, 651 00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:54,580 and we were talking as we walked out, 652 00:30:54,700 --> 00:30:57,410 and we weren't with these people. 653 00:30:57,500 --> 00:30:58,910 He was kind enough to ask us to join him. 654 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,200 I was with a girlfriend of mine. 655 00:31:01,450 --> 00:31:02,540 He was very sweet. 656 00:31:02,660 --> 00:31:03,830 So then did he invite you over? 657 00:31:03,870 --> 00:31:05,330 Um, yeah, in fact, we had lunch with him. 658 00:31:06,250 --> 00:31:08,540 Nicole showed up, and I don't know what Nicole thought, 659 00:31:08,620 --> 00:31:11,290 and she said something very unpleasant to the girl. 660 00:31:11,370 --> 00:31:13,830 KELLY: Did you talk to Nicole after this incident 661 00:31:13,910 --> 00:31:15,950 to find out what it was all about? 662 00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:19,080 -I tried to. -What did she say? 663 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,540 She didn't. That was the incident. 664 00:31:20,660 --> 00:31:22,370 That was the time she moved out. 665 00:31:22,450 --> 00:31:26,160 And went to my friend's and I proposed to her the next day. 666 00:31:26,250 --> 00:31:29,040 She said, "I'm getting married." I said, "Excuse me?" 667 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,040 And she goes, "I want you to be my maid of honor." 668 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,330 And I said, "Okay." 669 00:31:35,370 --> 00:31:37,750 And she goes, "Yes, he's gonna get baptized. 670 00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:39,580 "Everything is gonna change. 671 00:31:39,660 --> 00:31:42,000 He's gonna become a new person" 672 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,540 And that was after seven years of dating. 673 00:31:45,620 --> 00:31:47,620 They dated for seven years. 674 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,790 And Nicole was under this... 675 00:31:51,790 --> 00:31:56,330 illusion that Simpson's gonna get baptized 676 00:31:56,370 --> 00:31:59,290 and he's going to be a different person. 677 00:32:00,540 --> 00:32:02,200 And she really believed that 678 00:32:02,290 --> 00:32:04,660 because so much had already happened seven years prior 679 00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:06,910 before they got married, you know, 680 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,870 as far as, you know, like infidelities 681 00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:10,250 and things like that. 682 00:32:10,330 --> 00:32:12,790 But she wanted to believe it. 683 00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:14,660 Let's just keep our fingers crossed. 684 00:32:14,790 --> 00:32:16,500 Let's just pray to God that, yes, 685 00:32:16,540 --> 00:32:18,410 her fairy-tale wedding 686 00:32:18,540 --> 00:32:20,910 and her fairy-tale life is going to come true. 687 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,160 The image of Nicole has been one of tragedy, even innuendo. 688 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,540 Seeing this wedding video for the first time, we see Nicole, 689 00:32:30,620 --> 00:32:33,450 the real Nicole, as a sweet, lovely, innocent young woman. 690 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,080 Nicole's wedding was held at Rockingham. 691 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,580 Lou and Judi were very happy about the marriage 692 00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:45,540 and very happy at the occasion. 693 00:32:45,660 --> 00:32:49,700 -So pretty, wow. -Look at you. 694 00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:52,330 ARNELLE: She's not like our stepmother, she like a best friend. 695 00:32:52,410 --> 00:32:53,830 JASON: Yeah, like a special friend. 696 00:32:53,870 --> 00:32:55,330 ARNELLE: Yeah, like a best friend. 697 00:32:55,410 --> 00:32:56,830 Because we've known her for so long 698 00:32:56,910 --> 00:32:58,580 and we shared so much with her. 699 00:33:01,250 --> 00:33:05,040 PASTOR: I trust that by the way you value life, 700 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,830 that you will lead Nicole to say, 701 00:33:09,910 --> 00:33:12,160 "Oh, God, I'm a woman most fortunate. 702 00:33:12,330 --> 00:33:16,160 For out of all of this world, O.J. has chosen me." 703 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,660 I don't know if it was a band or DJ, I don't remember that, 704 00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:21,370 but "We are Family" came on. 705 00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:22,830 That-- I think it's Sister Sledge-- 706 00:33:22,910 --> 00:33:25,540 and all of us, the entire girls, 707 00:33:25,660 --> 00:33:27,000 and I think my dad, too. 708 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,330 And we just danced around, holding hands, 709 00:33:29,370 --> 00:33:32,500 arms around each other, singing the song "We are Family." 710 00:33:32,580 --> 00:33:35,000 And still, to this day, when I hear that song, 711 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,500 I remember that night. 712 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,370 It was a great wedding. 713 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,000 I'll be-- I'll be good to you. 714 00:33:45,790 --> 00:33:47,500 They got married in February. 715 00:33:48,620 --> 00:33:50,000 Sydney was born in October. 716 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:54,000 So, Sydney could've been a honeymoon baby. 717 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,830 She could have been a pre-honeymoon baby. 718 00:33:56,910 --> 00:33:58,290 She loved being pregnant, though, 719 00:33:58,370 --> 00:34:00,200 except for she got really heavy. 720 00:34:01,370 --> 00:34:03,540 Yeah, she got really heavy. And he didn't like that. 721 00:34:03,620 --> 00:34:06,040 I think for her it was difficult to be pregnant 722 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,250 only because he was not nice to her 723 00:34:08,330 --> 00:34:09,830 when she was pregnant. 724 00:34:09,950 --> 00:34:12,410 He would always say, 725 00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:15,000 "You've got such a fat ass, why don't you go on a diet?" 726 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,250 She was pregnant. 727 00:34:18,370 --> 00:34:20,660 She was pregnant when he would tell her that, 728 00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:22,620 when he would, he would say things like that, 729 00:34:22,700 --> 00:34:24,660 and she would turn around and she would say, 730 00:34:24,750 --> 00:34:26,790 "I am carrying your baby. 731 00:34:26,870 --> 00:34:29,000 I am carrying your child." 732 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,950 I remember her telling me one time, 733 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,870 she says, you know what? You're so lucky 734 00:34:32,870 --> 00:34:34,200 that you don't have a husband. 735 00:34:34,290 --> 00:34:37,000 You don't have a person telling you what to do. 736 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,620 We were talking about delivering our babies 737 00:34:40,700 --> 00:34:45,160 and she said, "O.J. does not want me to deliver vaginally." 738 00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:48,450 And he did not want her nursing. 739 00:34:49,700 --> 00:34:52,080 I'm like, well, that's sick. 740 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,160 She said he wanted her 741 00:34:54,250 --> 00:34:56,410 to keep the same body that she had. 742 00:34:57,370 --> 00:34:59,500 I can't imagine any wife saying, 743 00:34:59,660 --> 00:35:02,700 "Oh, yeah, I'm gonna have a C-section, 744 00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:05,410 or I'm not gonna nurse because you don't like it." 745 00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:09,200 You can see how that-- those were all control things 746 00:35:09,330 --> 00:35:12,080 that he did with her. 747 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,620 I don't believe that I had this baby. 748 00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:17,370 O.J.: Look at me. 749 00:35:17,450 --> 00:35:19,370 -We got a little girl. -Do I have dopey eyes? 750 00:35:19,450 --> 00:35:21,080 O.J.: Yeah, you seem a little out of it. 751 00:35:24,620 --> 00:35:28,410 Sydney was the first little baby that came into this world. 752 00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:30,500 She has lots of little hair on her forehead. 753 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,120 We actually went to the hospital 754 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,580 when she gave the-- gave birth to the baby. 755 00:35:38,660 --> 00:35:40,000 Everybody was there, 756 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,330 and everybody was very happy for them. 757 00:35:41,410 --> 00:35:42,830 O.J.: Hi, Robin. Say something. 758 00:35:42,910 --> 00:35:45,000 Hi. Congratulations. 759 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,700 I think her dream was coming true. 760 00:35:48,830 --> 00:35:51,120 I love Sydney. 761 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,660 O.J.: But she's doing okay? 762 00:35:52,750 --> 00:35:54,750 -Do you love her? -O.J.: I love her very much. 763 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,450 DOMINIQUE: Nicole decorated Sydney's room. It was beautiful. 764 00:36:04,540 --> 00:36:08,250 She had those bassinets when she was born. 765 00:36:09,660 --> 00:36:12,250 Nicole asked me to be Sydney's godmother. 766 00:36:12,330 --> 00:36:15,120 So when she was christened, I became her godmother. 767 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,910 DOMINIQUE: She was wearing that, like, uh, 768 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,410 -It doesn't work. (laughs) -...faded-out or white... 769 00:36:21,410 --> 00:36:23,160 DOMINIQUE: I think at that point, 770 00:36:23,290 --> 00:36:24,910 she had already seen that 771 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,620 I had a love for her, a special love, 772 00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:29,040 -Mm... -(laughs) 773 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,870 (laughs) Ah... 774 00:36:31,950 --> 00:36:34,160 Like a little cupcake. 775 00:36:34,250 --> 00:36:35,660 Flying Sydney. 776 00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:39,620 Sydney likes the water. 777 00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:42,290 -Big smile. -DOMINIQUE: I love you. 778 00:36:42,370 --> 00:36:44,160 DOMINIQUE: Love you. 779 00:36:44,250 --> 00:36:46,660 Hey, PS, Sydney. 780 00:36:46,750 --> 00:36:49,250 When you watch this tape when you get older, 781 00:36:49,370 --> 00:36:51,750 see that little quilt you're laying on? 782 00:36:51,830 --> 00:36:53,700 Mommy made that for you. 783 00:36:53,790 --> 00:36:56,290 Sydney Brooke is here down at the beach house, 784 00:36:56,370 --> 00:36:59,160 hanging out in the sand with Denise, huh? 785 00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:04,660 They bought the house at Victoria Beach, 786 00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:07,120 and they had the gorgeous house down there. 787 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,450 So we were down there, 788 00:37:08,540 --> 00:37:10,370 of course, as often as we could, 789 00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:13,540 because it was right on the ocean. 790 00:37:15,870 --> 00:37:17,500 DENISE: When she came down to Laguna, 791 00:37:17,580 --> 00:37:19,290 it was like she had a smile on her face. 792 00:37:19,370 --> 00:37:22,910 She turned into the beach girl that she was before. 793 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,950 She seemed to be happy. 794 00:37:30,580 --> 00:37:32,750 I'm, uh, Albert, middle initial A, 795 00:37:32,830 --> 00:37:34,580 Aguilera. 796 00:37:34,660 --> 00:37:37,500 I was a pharmacist for 50 years. 797 00:37:37,540 --> 00:37:40,250 I moved to Blue Lagoon. 798 00:37:40,330 --> 00:37:42,790 Next door was Victoria Beach. 799 00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:45,250 I knew they lived there, but I hadn't seen them. 800 00:37:45,250 --> 00:37:47,080 We walked down to the beach-- 801 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,040 it was on a Saturday-- 802 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:54,540 and we saw O.J. Simpson and his-his wife Nicole. 803 00:37:54,620 --> 00:37:58,660 She was facing him, he was facing into the water, 804 00:37:58,700 --> 00:38:03,620 and she was kind of, like, animated in front of O.J. 805 00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:05,500 We're going by, and then, all of a sudden, 806 00:38:05,620 --> 00:38:08,330 he reached out and slapped her. 807 00:38:08,410 --> 00:38:11,250 With one arm, he just knocked her down. 808 00:38:11,370 --> 00:38:13,660 Hit her face and she went down. 809 00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:15,200 We kind of stood for a while and walked a little way-- 810 00:38:15,330 --> 00:38:17,290 but we kept looking. 811 00:38:17,370 --> 00:38:20,330 He bent down, trying to console her. 812 00:38:20,370 --> 00:38:23,830 Really, he was trying to stop her from crying, 813 00:38:23,950 --> 00:38:25,830 and she was having none of it. 814 00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:28,790 And he just kept staring out towards the ocean, 815 00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:32,080 didn't look at the people that were in back of him. 816 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,450 They were kind of, like, all surprised. 817 00:38:34,540 --> 00:38:37,330 She seemed to me like sh-- when she was down 818 00:38:37,410 --> 00:38:40,000 and she was crying and saying a few things to him-- 819 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,080 i-it was inaudible to us-- 820 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,660 that she was more or less hurt that he even did that. 821 00:38:48,370 --> 00:38:50,370 Maybe... 822 00:38:50,450 --> 00:38:53,330 she was as surprised as we were. 823 00:38:53,410 --> 00:38:55,700 I would go to their beach house, 824 00:38:55,830 --> 00:38:58,450 and she'd be fixing dinner and she'd have dogs there 825 00:38:58,540 --> 00:39:01,120 and kids running around and so on. 826 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,870 And he just would come 827 00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:05,830 and it would be like a black cloud all of a sudden. 828 00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:11,700 Uh, so... 829 00:39:11,830 --> 00:39:15,250 I'd hear about them out, you know, during the day. 830 00:39:15,330 --> 00:39:17,830 You know, "Oh, did you hear that they were at lunch at Toscana? 831 00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:20,950 And "she had," you know, "two glasses of wine, 832 00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:22,790 and they were," you know, "making out" or something-- 833 00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:25,330 you know, just basically trying to keep, 834 00:39:25,410 --> 00:39:28,250 keep the flame alive kind of thing. 835 00:39:28,370 --> 00:39:30,160 She kept herself in very good shape, 836 00:39:30,250 --> 00:39:33,450 and it was almost like she was competing with herself 837 00:39:33,540 --> 00:39:35,540 as well as others. 838 00:39:35,540 --> 00:39:38,410 I heard about, you know, the... the affair thing. 839 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,450 The Tawny Kitaen. 840 00:39:41,540 --> 00:39:43,500 REPORTER: Her name is Tawny Kitaen, 841 00:39:43,500 --> 00:39:45,830 a beautiful, sexy actress who made her name 842 00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:48,450 as the sizzling star of music videos. 843 00:39:48,540 --> 00:39:49,830 These days, Tawny Kitaen 844 00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:52,080 is most famous for her frequently reported 845 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,580 off-screen relationship with O.J. Simpson. 846 00:39:54,660 --> 00:39:56,500 INTERVIEWER: When did you meet O.J. originally? 847 00:39:56,620 --> 00:40:01,120 TAWNY: I met O.J. in '82. '82, '83. 848 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,870 INTERVIEWER: And he was then with Nicole Brown Simpson? 849 00:40:03,950 --> 00:40:05,830 -TAWNY: Yes, he was. -They were still married? 850 00:40:05,830 --> 00:40:08,200 I think that went on for a while. 851 00:40:08,290 --> 00:40:09,580 That affair. 852 00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:12,830 During that time, Nicole was pregnant with Justin 853 00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:15,750 three months before me, and I was pregnant with my son Aaron. 854 00:40:15,830 --> 00:40:19,580 Judi was aware of his cheating. 855 00:40:19,660 --> 00:40:22,500 Judi told me who these people were. 856 00:40:22,580 --> 00:40:26,370 As Nicole became aware of... 857 00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:31,410 ...his cheating, 858 00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:33,370 it disturbed her more and more, 859 00:40:33,450 --> 00:40:34,700 and she found it more and more difficult, 860 00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:37,040 as it would with any woman, of course. 861 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,080 I remember driving around with Nicole, 862 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:44,000 you know, trying to find, you know, houses that he had 863 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,750 girlfriends put up in and, you know, things like that. 864 00:40:57,500 --> 00:40:58,830 O.J.: We're at the hospital. 865 00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:02,160 I'm so ready to go home. 866 00:41:02,250 --> 00:41:04,290 I was just looking out the window, waiting for you guys. 867 00:41:04,370 --> 00:41:07,120 JUDIE: When she was in the hospital giving birth, 868 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,160 her husband, O.J. Simpson, 869 00:41:09,290 --> 00:41:12,830 had someone in her house. 870 00:41:12,910 --> 00:41:16,160 And there were pictures of Nicole all over, 871 00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:18,540 and he simply put them face down 872 00:41:18,660 --> 00:41:21,040 so that the woman wouldn't see them. 873 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,540 Sick. 874 00:41:23,870 --> 00:41:27,950 -NICOLE: Look. -O.J.: Oh, look. And there's Corby. 875 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,000 ♪ 876 00:41:32,410 --> 00:41:34,870 (sighs) 877 00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:36,450 Okay. 878 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,410 Going my way? 879 00:41:51,410 --> 00:41:53,830 You're gonna go that way, towards the ocean. 880 00:41:55,790 --> 00:41:58,250 What did Daddy say about one finger? 881 00:41:58,370 --> 00:42:00,450 Daddy said, "One finger in the mouth." 882 00:42:00,540 --> 00:42:02,120 One finger only. 883 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,790 DENISE: Christmas, 1988, my whole family decided 884 00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:07,580 that we wanted to go to Hawaii for Christmas. 885 00:42:07,660 --> 00:42:09,620 Actually, I think it was Nicole 886 00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:11,660 who decided that we, you know, 887 00:42:11,790 --> 00:42:13,790 "Well, come on, let's go to Hawaii." 888 00:42:13,870 --> 00:42:15,790 And I thought, "Why Hawaii? 889 00:42:15,870 --> 00:42:18,330 There's no snow in-in Hawaii." (laughs) 890 00:42:18,370 --> 00:42:21,410 So we went over to Hawaii, 891 00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:25,750 and it was really a great trip until it wasn't. 892 00:42:30,830 --> 00:42:32,750 KELLY: Do you recall any argument 893 00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:35,330 between Nicole and O.J. 894 00:42:35,330 --> 00:42:37,330 during this vacation? 895 00:42:37,410 --> 00:42:39,790 A.C.: It was more of a comment that she made. 896 00:42:39,870 --> 00:42:42,660 We were all sitting in-in a large dining room. 897 00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:44,290 KELLY: Do you know where you were, 898 00:42:44,370 --> 00:42:46,000 -first of all? -At a restaurant. 899 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,080 KELLY: Who was there at the restaurant with you? 900 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,660 A.C.: All of us. 901 00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:50,830 KELLY: Okay, was this for lunch or dinner? 902 00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:51,830 A.C.: I would say lunch. 903 00:42:51,830 --> 00:42:53,160 There was a gay couple 904 00:42:53,250 --> 00:42:54,750 that was sitting at the table, 905 00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:58,080 and they just thought Justin was just beautiful. 906 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,870 One of the guys, he kissed Justin on the forehead... 907 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,580 ...and it was, like, so sweet and so nice. 908 00:43:08,660 --> 00:43:10,410 And as soon as we walked outside, 909 00:43:10,540 --> 00:43:13,290 all hell broke loose. 910 00:43:13,370 --> 00:43:16,500 After Nicole had 911 00:43:16,580 --> 00:43:19,580 let the man hold the baby, 912 00:43:19,700 --> 00:43:20,830 she took the baby back. 913 00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:22,660 O.J. supposedly had said, 914 00:43:22,750 --> 00:43:25,330 you know, "Why did you have that gay guy hold my baby?" 915 00:43:25,410 --> 00:43:26,830 Or something like that. And she says, 916 00:43:26,910 --> 00:43:28,410 "Why are you concerned about him being gay? 917 00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:30,080 Your father is gay." 918 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,950 And O.J. got very upset with her. 919 00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:44,290 JAMES: People meet you in the streets 920 00:43:44,370 --> 00:43:47,200 and they always ask you what it is to have a son, 921 00:43:47,290 --> 00:43:50,540 you know, as famous as O.J. and how you feel about it. 922 00:43:50,620 --> 00:43:51,750 And I tell them, 923 00:43:51,870 --> 00:43:53,620 "I just relax and stretch 924 00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:55,370 and break all the buttons off my shirt 925 00:43:55,500 --> 00:43:56,870 and have them sewed on next week." 926 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,950 We're very proud of that. 927 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,660 And he was gonna fly off the island that night. 928 00:44:01,830 --> 00:44:03,250 He was going-- He said, "I'm out of here." 929 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,870 DENISE: "How could you let a gay man kiss my son?" 930 00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:13,290 She ran out of the car. He was going crazy. 931 00:44:13,370 --> 00:44:16,160 She ended up taking off and going with my parents. 932 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,660 I couldn't get out of the car anymore because he was driving 933 00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:20,160 like a lunatic in the parking lot. 934 00:44:20,250 --> 00:44:22,160 And then we ended up going back to the hotel. 935 00:44:23,830 --> 00:44:25,540 As we were going back, I said, 936 00:44:25,620 --> 00:44:26,660 "Slow down." 937 00:44:26,750 --> 00:44:28,660 I said, "Slow down, calm down." 938 00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:30,160 I said, "The guy didn't hurt him." 939 00:44:30,250 --> 00:44:32,660 I said, "It was nothing, it was no big deal." 940 00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:33,750 KELLY: And when was the next time 941 00:44:33,830 --> 00:44:35,160 you spoke to Simpson? 942 00:44:35,250 --> 00:44:36,750 I think we all ended up going out that night. 943 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,660 KELLY: Did you speak to Simpson again 944 00:44:40,700 --> 00:44:42,500 about what had happened that day? 945 00:44:42,540 --> 00:44:43,660 No, I didn't. 946 00:44:43,700 --> 00:44:45,200 Seemed like they were, 947 00:44:45,290 --> 00:44:47,290 you know, they were sitting together. 948 00:44:47,370 --> 00:44:49,290 Seemed like, I guess whatever difference that they had, 949 00:44:49,370 --> 00:44:50,790 they patched it up. 950 00:44:53,620 --> 00:44:54,870 DENISE: The next day, 951 00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:56,450 I saw her with a shirt, 952 00:44:56,540 --> 00:44:58,000 long-sleeve shirt on, and I was like, 953 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,160 "Nicole, it's hot. Why are you...?" 954 00:45:00,290 --> 00:45:02,540 She goes, "Oh, no, I'm just gonna stay in the shade here, 955 00:45:02,660 --> 00:45:04,540 and I'm just gonna stay with Justin." 956 00:45:04,620 --> 00:45:06,700 I knew he was pissed off, but I, 957 00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:08,370 I didn't know anything else that happened 958 00:45:08,450 --> 00:45:09,700 behind closed doors. 959 00:45:09,790 --> 00:45:11,830 I read in her diary afterwards 960 00:45:11,870 --> 00:45:13,500 that he had her up against the wall 961 00:45:13,580 --> 00:45:15,370 over the balcony, 962 00:45:15,450 --> 00:45:19,160 doing the usual... 963 00:45:19,250 --> 00:45:22,330 hurting her because of this incident. 964 00:45:23,790 --> 00:45:24,950 When we left Hawaii, 965 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,540 Nicole was going to a New Year's Eve party. 966 00:45:26,620 --> 00:45:28,500 That's why we left. 967 00:45:28,580 --> 00:45:30,200 D'ANNE: We were supposed to be having our New year's Eve party 968 00:45:30,330 --> 00:45:32,830 and we got a telephone call pretty late at night, 969 00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:34,330 and it was Nicole. 970 00:45:34,370 --> 00:45:37,830 And she said, "We got to drinking down the street 971 00:45:37,950 --> 00:45:40,330 "and so nobody can drive. 972 00:45:40,410 --> 00:45:42,580 So we're just gonna stay here and party here." 973 00:45:42,660 --> 00:45:44,910 "Oh, yeah, no problem. Have a great time. 974 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,870 Happy New Year, la, la." And we hung up. 975 00:45:47,950 --> 00:45:49,660 And then we, of course, 976 00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:54,750 all woke up to New Year's Day with news 977 00:45:54,830 --> 00:45:58,500 that Nicole was at the police station 978 00:45:58,540 --> 00:46:00,830 and he had... 979 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:03,250 ...hit her. 980 00:46:05,410 --> 00:46:06,540 DISPATCHER: 911 emergency. 981 00:46:06,660 --> 00:46:08,250 -(woman screams) -DISPATCHER: Hello. 982 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:14,540 KELLY: Had you seen Nicole 983 00:46:14,660 --> 00:46:15,790 -New Year's Eve? -Yes, I did. 984 00:46:15,870 --> 00:46:17,750 She collapsed on it and-and started yelling, 985 00:46:17,830 --> 00:46:19,500 "He's gonna kill me, he's gonna kill me." 986 00:46:19,620 --> 00:46:21,330 She said she was frightened you were going to kill her. 987 00:46:21,370 --> 00:46:22,660 No, she did not say that. 988 00:46:22,750 --> 00:46:25,660 The cost of staying with O.J. Simpson 989 00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:27,870 was too great for Nicole. 990 00:46:27,950 --> 00:46:29,000 ROBIN: That's when she told me 991 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,120 she is going to leave O.J. 992 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,870 DOMINIQUE: The thought of her being with anybody else 993 00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:34,000 did not do well with him. 994 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,290 My mom went straight to the phone 995 00:46:36,370 --> 00:46:37,370 and called Nicole. 996 00:46:37,450 --> 00:46:38,540 It was as if she knew 997 00:46:38,540 --> 00:46:39,790 something was gonna happen. 998 00:46:39,870 --> 00:46:41,040 And something did happen. 999 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,500 NEWS REPORTER: Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman 1000 00:46:44,580 --> 00:46:46,370 were found just after midnight. 1001 00:46:46,450 --> 00:46:49,120 NEWS REPORTER 2: ...dead from a knife wound to her throat. 1002 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,660 DENISE: He said, "Your sister's been killed." 1003 00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:53,000 And I said, "He did it." 1004 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,040 And he said, "Who?" (crying) 1005 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:56,950 I said... (sobbing) 1006 00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,950 I said, "O.J. Simpson." 1007 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,290 JUDIE: The police had spoken to us and said, "We're watching him." 1008 00:47:02,410 --> 00:47:04,500 ROBIN: We said, "What is going on here?" 1009 00:47:04,580 --> 00:47:05,950 D'ANNE: She said, "It's O.J. 1010 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,500 He's on the 405 freeway coming down here to us." 1011 00:47:09,620 --> 00:47:11,040 Please don't forget the victim. 1012 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,660 There was such an insatiable appetite 1013 00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:15,950 from the public for details. 1014 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,910 Photographs and stories, and on TV. 1015 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,660 We did everything we could do 1016 00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:22,750 to protect those two kids. 1017 00:47:22,830 --> 00:47:25,830 The defense put on this big smear campaign. 1018 00:47:25,950 --> 00:47:28,120 RON: She went from being a victim 1019 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,120 of domestic violence and murder to being a whore. 1020 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,830 FOREWOMAN (over TV): We, the jury, 1021 00:47:31,870 --> 00:47:33,500 in the above entitled action find the defendant 1022 00:47:33,580 --> 00:47:35,160 not guilty of the crime of murder. 1023 00:47:35,290 --> 00:47:37,000 DENISE: How could one person (bleep) up 1024 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:38,500 so many people's lives? 1025 00:47:38,580 --> 00:47:40,540 The fact that he is a convicted wife batterer 1026 00:47:40,620 --> 00:47:43,080 means that he may present a rik of harm to these children. 1027 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,830 PRODUCER: Were you aware 1028 00:47:45,950 --> 00:47:47,910 of events in Florida? 1029 00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:51,000 There was close to 17 police reports we found. 1030 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,790 O.J. Simpson did receive MDMA. 1031 00:47:53,870 --> 00:47:55,700 He was a user. 1032 00:47:55,790 --> 00:47:57,330 Oh, my God. 1033 00:47:57,410 --> 00:48:01,200 DOMINIQUE: Those poor kids have been through a lot. 1034 00:48:01,290 --> 00:48:02,700 Who was there to protect them? 1035 00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:04,830 How do these children 1036 00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:06,120 grow up to be normal 1037 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,580 if the person that murdered their mother 1038 00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:11,000 is caring for them? 1039 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,250 CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY A+E NETWORKS 81098

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