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In the matter of the People
of the State of California
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v. Orenthal James Simpson,
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case number BA097211,
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we, the jury,
in the above entitled action,
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find the defendant,
Orenthal James Simpson,
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not guilty of the crime of murder
in violation of penal code section 187A,
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a felony upon Nicole Brown Simpson,
a human being,
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as charged in count one
of the information.
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So what are you saying?
That we're fucked now?
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Because I gotta level with you,
I just don't see it that way.
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OJ is, like, the biggest fucking killer
of all time, right?
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And he got away with it.
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And the best part, Leslie,
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is that the guy didn't even have
to take the fucking stand...
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Lyle, they are out for blood.
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Garcetti cares about one thing, one thing
only, and that is his re-election.
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That is why they're trying to gut our case
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because they need a win
and they need it now.
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Fine, I understand that.
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Then you need to file a motion.
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Wow.
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This is even more of a reason
that we're not gonna bring on
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some shitty fucking public defender,
Leslie.
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Charles Gessler is the best in LA.
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Oh, is he?
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Lyle, it's nice to finally meet.
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Come on in.
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It's not happening.
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It's just a no.
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So I don't know what we need to do
to get this figured out.
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My preference would be
to have Jill back or call Cochran.
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I can't just call Cochran,
and you don't have any money.
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Leslie, do you know
how much money I was able to raise
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just this past week?
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Well, you know,
I'm glad you bring that up because...
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That's a great letterhead, by the way.
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"In helping me,
you're also voicing your support
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for so many other abused people."
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"We're all survivors together."
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"If you can help by pledging an amount
on the 15th of each month,
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a monthly pledge card
to the Lyle Menendez Defense Fund?!"
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How many times have I told you
to stop writing letters?
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Because they will be used against you,
and it is a terrible look!
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Says the woman making $4,000 a day
on Dateline blabbing about OJ,
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and attacking the same people
who are trying...
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- It's called a job, okay?
- Okay.
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While we're talking about money,
may I just mention
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that I am still here fighting
for your life pro bono.
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Did you order a new wig
and have it sent to the jail,
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and it cost $2,500?
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This is from the same guy
who did OJ's hair treatment.
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- So yes, I did.
- Lyle!
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I think we can all take a page
out of the fucking guy's book, okay?
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Because the guy
clearly had something fucking figured out!
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You know what he had figured out?
He had a fucking catchphrase!
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And I think that we would all benefit
from a catchphrase.
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And I think our catchphrase can be,
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"If you've been abused,
you cannot be accused."
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- What? What the fuck is so funny, Erik?
- You are unbelievable.
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Okay, well, I'm sorry. That's my bad.
It's just my life is on the line.
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Yeah. Well, you sound like an idiot.
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Erik, do I need to remind you
why we're here in the first place?
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Because of you.
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You're the fucking idiot.
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And all you had to do
was keep your stupid, little mouth shut.
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- Really?
- Mm-hmm.
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"Lyle Menendez, in his own words."
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- Fuck that crazy bitch.
- No.
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No. You don't get to do that anymore.
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Because you fucked us.
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We are fucked.
They have hours of you on tape!
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- I did not know she was recording me!
- And you sound insane!
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You sound insane. Do you realize
how fucking stupid that was?
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Then you go and write
all those crazy fucking letters
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asking everyone to lie for us?
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Who are you?!
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All I ever wanted growing up
was to be like you.
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But do you know
what people say about you now?
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They say that you look dead in the eyes.
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They say your eyes are black.
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They call you a psychopath.
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We were so close.
Lyle, we were almost free.
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Yeah, because of me.
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It was because of you
that we almost got out of here.
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But we didn't.
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And now we're fucked,
and it's all your fault!
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All we had to do was hang one more jury.
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We had to convince one more person
and we'd be out of here.
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But that's never going to happen now
because no one believes us.
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Lyle, everyone hates us.
Everyone wants us dead!
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And I'm really scared
because I don't want to die.
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And I don't want you to die.
And I hate what we did.
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I wish it never happened.
I wish I could take it back, but I can't.
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And now I'm stuck here in this hellhole.
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I'm thinking about it every day while you
run around like a fucking crazy person!
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The only thing I can do is try and
save us! Because it's all up to me now!
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And I don't know if I can get back up
there and do it again. I don't know.
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You better figure it the fuck out
'cause I'm not dying in here
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just 'cause you're a pathetic,
weak little bitch.
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Erik! Hey! Enough!
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Fuck! You fucked it up!
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- I should've fucking killed you too!
- There he is.
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- There's my brother. The killer.
- You f...
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Take this into the courtroom, please,
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because I'm ready
to get the fuck out of here.
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You f...
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Nice to see this again.
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- Take him out.
- Do your job.
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You...
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You...
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So that is their strategy,
to put the parents on trial
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because the defense fails
logically, psychologically, and legally.
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It's a phony story that never took place.
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- Objection.
- Overruled.
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You won't be hearing
from Lyle Menendez during this trial
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because he wrote a book that is
more or less a glossary of all his lies.
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Objection.
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Overruled.
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So it will all come down to the testimony
of Erik Menendez, the killer,
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and whether you're going to believe him.
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Objection.
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Ms. Abramson, we're not doing this.
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- Ugh.
- Overruled. Let him speak.
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Thank you.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
judge people by what they do.
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Erik Menendez can say
anything in the world,
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but remember
what Lyle and Erik Menendez did.
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You sold Jose Menendez the Alfa Romeo
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that he purchased
for his son Lyle, correct?
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That's correct.
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Happy graduation, my son.
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- Really?
- Yes.
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Dad, this car
is a piece of shit.
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And what was the sticker price for this,
quote, "piece of shit"?
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- $32,000.
- Objection.
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What are you objecting to?
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That the price matters.
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Sit down, please.
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- Your Honor, may I approach?
- No, you may not.
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Lyle was really mad about the Alfa.
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I was like, "It's a really nice car."
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I can lean over
and touch the fucking passenger seat.
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This feels like a fucking clown car.
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- I feel like a fucking clown!
- Okay, okay, okay.
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I'm sorry. We'll get you a different one.
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We thought, your mother and I,
that this was the car for you.
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Well, you thought wrong! For fuck's sake.
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Let's wrap this up.
Sign the fucking papers.
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Thank you for buying me a piece of shit.
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Craig, you're one of the
co-authors of Friends, aren't you?
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Not the hit TV show on NBC, by the way.
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This is an unproduced screenplay
you and Erik wrote.
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Correct.
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And to the best of your knowledge,
is the NBC show
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starring Jennifer Aniston and others
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about people who viciously murder
their parents in cold blood?
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Objection.
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He can answer.
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Uh... No, it's not.
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No. Because the screenplay Friends
that you and Erik wrote
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is about a character
named Hamilton Cromwell
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who murders his parents.
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Objection. Relevance.
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If I may. You can't object
to everything he says, Counsel.
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Craig...
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Erik confessed to you. Did he not?
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He did.
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But it's not the story
that they told Dr. Oziel.
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No.
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Nor is it the same story they told
in this courtroom.
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No.
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What did Erik tell you?
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That they uh... they'd gone to the movies
and Erik went inside to get his fake ID.
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He didn't go in through the front door.
He went in through the living room window.
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And did he say why?
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Yeah, because those doors
were quieter,
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and he didn't want to wake them up.
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So they were asleep.
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Yeah. That's what he told me.
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Fuck.
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And he also told me
that when he got back to the car,
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Lyle was holding the guns.
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You want to do it? Right now.
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Let's do it.
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Uh-huh.
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That was when they murdered
their sleeping parents.
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Yes.
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Yes!
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Fuck!
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Lyle... We gotta change our fucking clothes.
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Look, there's blood!
How did I not fucking see that?
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And do you believe
the murders were premeditated?
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- Objection. Strike that from the record.
- You're shouting, Counsel.
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Well, I'm sorry I'm shouting.
I'm angry, so my voice is loud.
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I don't care if you're angry.
You will control yourself in my courtroom.
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Mr. Cignarelli, are you familiar with
a film called The Billionaire Boys Club?
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Yeah. It's basically
what Lyle and Erik did,
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rich kids who killed their parents
for money.
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Objection.
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The court is going to hold you
in contempt.
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Well, I'm gonna hold the court
in contempt pretty soon
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because I am finding
your rulings astonishingly biased.
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Erik didn't just happen to see
that movie on TV, though, did he?
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No. No.
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Yeah, he knew about the story
way before it was a movie.
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I mean, we both did,
because our friend Brian...
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Well, it was like about his parents.
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So 14 months before he killed his parents,
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Erik heard the story of how your parents
were murdered, murdered for money.
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Well... yes. Correct.
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Brian, did Lyle Menendez
write you a letter from jail?
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Yeah. He... he wanted me to watch this movie
called At Close Range.
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"I need you to say that
you and me watched it with my dad,
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and that he said the movie was unrealistic
because the father would've killed the son
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as soon as the trouble started
and not waited,
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and that you were shocked
when he said that."
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"Then you say you always felt
my dad was a powerful person
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and that you never felt welcome."
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Please state your name.
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Erik Galen Menendez, M-E-N-E-N-D-E-Z.
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- Hi, Erik.
- Objection.
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I literally just said "hi."
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- Intimidation, Your Honor.
- Overruled.
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Erik, is it true you contemplated
using a crossbow to kill your parents,
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hunt them like animals?
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Well, we just, that was...
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We could do it with a crossbow.
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I mean, with your license suspended
and all of your fucking speeding tickets...
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That wouldn't be an issue
because we don't have to use an ID.
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When we were at the gun store and we
thought we wouldn't be able to get a gun,
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I just noticed that
there were the crossbows in the...
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And it was just a thought. It went out
of my mind, like, a second later.
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Reloading, though.
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Yeah, you'd have one shot.
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When you thought you couldn't get a gun
or when you'd already tried to get a gun?
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I... I don't remember.
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Well, because if you saw crossbows
at the place you were trying to get a gun,
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it means you weren't just thinking
about getting a gun,
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you'd already tried to get one.
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00:13:20,716 --> 00:13:23,844
- I'll have to object to that relevance.
- Overruled.
241
00:13:26,514 --> 00:13:29,183
Were there any other weapons
you considered?
242
00:13:29,767 --> 00:13:31,268
What if we just use a knife?
243
00:13:31,352 --> 00:13:32,812
Objection. Relevance. Your Honor...
244
00:13:32,895 --> 00:13:35,022
I'm trying
to establish premeditation.
245
00:13:35,105 --> 00:13:39,443
Your Honor, Lyle and Erik Menendez
ideated on, conspired about,
246
00:13:39,527 --> 00:13:41,737
meticulously planned
the murder of their parents.
247
00:13:41,821 --> 00:13:44,615
How, why, and when they planned it,
it's more than relevant.
248
00:13:44,698 --> 00:13:47,618
It is central to the State's interest
in this case.
249
00:13:47,701 --> 00:13:49,411
Correct. I'll allow it.
250
00:13:49,495 --> 00:13:51,038
- Mistrial.
- Oh, mistrial.
251
00:13:51,121 --> 00:13:53,332
Leslie, Counsel, just stop.
252
00:13:53,415 --> 00:13:55,626
Your Honor, she wants to derail
this line of questioning
253
00:13:55,709 --> 00:13:57,920
because it proves special circumstances,
254
00:13:58,003 --> 00:14:00,548
making her clients eligible
for the death penalty.
255
00:14:00,631 --> 00:14:03,843
No. I would just like to be heard.
256
00:14:03,926 --> 00:14:05,803
- Ms. Abramson, stop it.
- Your Honor...
257
00:14:07,596 --> 00:14:08,681
This is...
258
00:14:11,392 --> 00:14:14,186
Erik, when you purchased guns,
259
00:14:15,229 --> 00:14:18,858
is it true you initially bought birdshot
as ammunition?
260
00:14:21,861 --> 00:14:25,239
I don't think so.
I... I think...
261
00:14:25,322 --> 00:14:29,159
Quote... Your words. "We initially
bought birdshot as ammunition."
262
00:14:30,244 --> 00:14:32,288
Okay. Yes, I remember that.
263
00:14:32,371 --> 00:14:35,082
And did you judge that
not to be strong enough?
264
00:14:36,041 --> 00:14:36,959
Strong enough?
265
00:14:37,042 --> 00:14:41,922
Did you go back and purchase buckshot
because buckshot is more lethal?
266
00:14:43,716 --> 00:14:44,800
- Yes.
- Okay.
267
00:14:44,884 --> 00:14:51,265
And after you had fired
approximately 12 rounds of buckshot
268
00:14:51,348 --> 00:14:54,602
into the bodies and into the faces
of your mother and father...
269
00:14:54,685 --> 00:14:56,228
Objection. We dispute that number.
270
00:14:56,312 --> 00:14:58,665
- I said "approximately."
- He said "approximately."
271
00:14:58,689 --> 00:15:02,610
- No love. No love in this courtroom.
- No, Counsel. No. No.
272
00:15:02,693 --> 00:15:06,614
If there's no love in this courtroom,
it is there and there.
273
00:15:06,697 --> 00:15:08,657
If there's no love in this courtroom,
274
00:15:08,741 --> 00:15:12,202
it's the two heartless murderers
who had no love for their parents.
275
00:15:12,286 --> 00:15:14,288
Because if you love your parents...
276
00:15:17,124 --> 00:15:18,292
you don't do this.
277
00:15:22,004 --> 00:15:24,715
If it's a lack of love
you're feeling, Counsel,
278
00:15:25,382 --> 00:15:27,718
I think it's on that side of the table.
279
00:15:30,596 --> 00:15:32,681
Erik...
280
00:15:32,765 --> 00:15:36,477
...after you'd emptied two shotguns
into your mother and father,
281
00:15:37,186 --> 00:15:39,855
and Lyle came outside to reload,
282
00:15:41,231 --> 00:15:45,527
is it true you told Dr. Vicary that
you handed him the last shotgun round?
283
00:15:46,362 --> 00:15:48,614
- I don't know.
- Okay. You don't know?
284
00:15:48,697 --> 00:15:50,199
I will quote you again.
285
00:15:50,282 --> 00:15:54,912
Quote, "Lyle came out, and the ammo was
rolling around in the trunk everywhere,
286
00:15:54,995 --> 00:15:57,247
so I handed the round to him."
287
00:15:57,790 --> 00:15:58,791
Did you say that?
288
00:16:01,627 --> 00:16:02,544
Yes.
289
00:16:02,628 --> 00:16:07,132
Erik, when you and Lyle were lying
to your family, to the press,
290
00:16:07,216 --> 00:16:11,470
saying you believed it was the Mafia
who killed your parents,
291
00:16:11,553 --> 00:16:13,389
you said something interesting.
292
00:16:13,472 --> 00:16:18,310
You said that you believed that the Mafia
had used shotguns to, quote...
293
00:16:20,688 --> 00:16:24,233
"make a mess,"
and quote, "send a message."
294
00:16:25,067 --> 00:16:26,318
- Okay.
- Okay.
295
00:16:26,402 --> 00:16:28,070
And by make a mess, you meant?
296
00:16:29,780 --> 00:16:30,780
Uh...
297
00:16:31,532 --> 00:16:33,117
Just that, uh...
298
00:16:35,619 --> 00:16:37,496
You know, the Mafia, they...
299
00:16:39,081 --> 00:16:40,916
shoot out people's kneecaps,
300
00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,210
and, uh, just all in all,
301
00:16:43,293 --> 00:16:44,795
they...
302
00:16:44,878 --> 00:16:48,382
...they, uh,
just make a mess of their victims.
303
00:16:48,924 --> 00:16:50,175
But you did that.
304
00:16:50,843 --> 00:16:54,013
I mean, you and Lyle did that.
305
00:16:54,096 --> 00:16:59,685
You and Lyle shot out
your mother's kneecap.
306
00:17:00,185 --> 00:17:01,185
There it is.
307
00:17:01,895 --> 00:17:04,440
I mean, she was shot so many times, Erik.
308
00:17:05,274 --> 00:17:07,234
So many times that her skeleton,
309
00:17:07,317 --> 00:17:10,279
quote, "effectively lost
all structural integrity."
310
00:17:10,362 --> 00:17:12,114
- Objection.
- Overruled.
311
00:17:13,032 --> 00:17:14,700
- Okay.
- Okay?
312
00:17:15,868 --> 00:17:19,621
- Yeah. Okay. Yeah, you did that.
- I've already testified to that.
313
00:17:19,705 --> 00:17:23,917
Yeah, but what I'm saying is
you planned to do it like that. Right?
314
00:17:24,543 --> 00:17:28,047
You planned to make it look
like the Mafia did it.
315
00:17:28,130 --> 00:17:29,923
You bought shotguns, you bought buckshot.
316
00:17:30,507 --> 00:17:35,179
You shot her through the knee.
You shot them multiple, multiple times.
317
00:17:35,262 --> 00:17:37,514
You planned to make it look
like the Mafia did it.
318
00:17:37,598 --> 00:17:41,268
You didn't just come up with that
in the heat of the moment.
319
00:17:42,352 --> 00:17:43,395
You planned it.
320
00:17:44,980 --> 00:17:48,233
In legal terms,
that's called "lying in wait."
321
00:17:50,986 --> 00:17:55,074
I understand what you're, uh,
getting at here, Mr. Conn,
322
00:17:55,157 --> 00:17:57,951
but, uh, we... we didn't plan anything.
323
00:17:59,161 --> 00:18:02,414
We really didn't. We were just trying
to be prepared to defend ourselves
324
00:18:02,498 --> 00:18:05,084
because when I was growing up...
325
00:18:05,167 --> 00:18:06,668
...my dad always told me
326
00:18:06,752 --> 00:18:10,047
that if I ever told anybody
what was going on between us,
327
00:18:10,130 --> 00:18:11,256
that he would kill me.
328
00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:13,217
And then I told Lyle.
329
00:18:13,300 --> 00:18:15,969
And when Lyle confronted my dad about it,
I believed him.
330
00:18:16,053 --> 00:18:19,264
I thought he was gonna...
I thought he was gonna kill us. I didn't...
331
00:18:19,348 --> 00:18:21,809
That preparation you describe...
332
00:18:23,143 --> 00:18:24,686
that's premeditation, Erik.
333
00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:29,900
The way you did it proves
that it was a premeditated double murder.
334
00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,360
Have you ever been raped
by your father, Mr. Conn?
335
00:18:32,402 --> 00:18:34,071
- Irrelevant.
- Objection!
336
00:18:34,154 --> 00:18:37,491
We'll get to the lie that you were
sexually abused by your parents.
337
00:18:37,574 --> 00:18:39,868
- Objection!
- Overruled.
338
00:18:39,952 --> 00:18:42,579
Or we can get to it now, Your Honor.
339
00:18:42,663 --> 00:18:44,456
Should we talk pool repairman?
340
00:18:44,540 --> 00:18:47,084
There are two days in my life
I'll never forget.
341
00:18:47,167 --> 00:18:48,919
The day JFK was shot,
342
00:18:49,002 --> 00:18:52,798
and the day I saw Erik and Lyle Menendez
talking that way to their parents.
343
00:18:52,881 --> 00:18:55,050
Why're you acting like that?
I don't understand.
344
00:18:55,134 --> 00:18:57,469
Because you're a fucking faggot, Dad!
345
00:18:57,553 --> 00:18:58,833
- Exactly.
- Lyle!
346
00:18:58,887 --> 00:19:01,098
- Don't defend him, Mom.
- I told you to shut up.
347
00:19:01,181 --> 00:19:03,350
And just to reiterate,
what day was this?
348
00:19:03,433 --> 00:19:04,518
Saturday.
349
00:19:04,601 --> 00:19:06,895
Saturday, the day before the murders.
350
00:19:06,979 --> 00:19:09,773
Did Lyle and Erik seem scared
of their parents?
351
00:19:10,524 --> 00:19:13,735
No. Their parents were scared of them.
352
00:19:15,988 --> 00:19:20,492
That day on the boat, did Lyle and Erik
seem scared of their parents?
353
00:19:20,576 --> 00:19:21,451
Not at all.
354
00:19:21,535 --> 00:19:25,497
They found out the boat was
used in the movie Tequila Sunrise,
355
00:19:25,581 --> 00:19:27,082
and they really liked that.
356
00:19:27,166 --> 00:19:30,669
Dude, I fucking love that movie.
I got to third base watching that movie.
357
00:19:30,752 --> 00:19:32,880
- Yeah, it's Michelle Pfeiffer.
- Yeah.
358
00:19:32,963 --> 00:19:35,257
- She's so fucking elegant.
- Smoke show.
359
00:19:36,008 --> 00:19:40,637
When you heard Jose and Kitty Menendez
had been shot to death in their house,
360
00:19:41,138 --> 00:19:43,765
can you tell the court
what your first thought was?
361
00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,935
Oh yeah. It was that the boys did it.
362
00:19:49,188 --> 00:19:50,397
Thank you.
363
00:19:52,191 --> 00:19:55,611
And you lived in the Menendez home
five days a week, correct?
364
00:19:55,694 --> 00:19:57,404
- Monday through Friday?
- Yes.
365
00:19:57,487 --> 00:19:59,656
- And you lived in the house?
- Yes.
366
00:19:59,740 --> 00:20:02,868
My bedroom was in the main house
by the kitchen.
367
00:20:02,951 --> 00:20:07,206
Erik has testified it was a violent home,
that they were always fighting.
368
00:20:07,289 --> 00:20:10,292
That the parents hit them
and screamed at them. Yes?
369
00:20:11,084 --> 00:20:13,837
No. I never heard any shouting.
370
00:20:13,921 --> 00:20:18,342
But what about fighting? Erik said that
Jose and Kitty were always fighting.
371
00:20:18,926 --> 00:20:22,304
No. I never heard fighting, no shouting.
372
00:20:23,972 --> 00:20:25,515
They were just very messy.
373
00:20:27,809 --> 00:20:31,146
You worked for Jose Menendez
for many years. Um...
374
00:20:31,230 --> 00:20:33,357
You'd have seen him interact
with his boys.
375
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,150
Yes, since they were young.
376
00:20:35,234 --> 00:20:39,404
And did you ever see him hit them
or threaten them or shout at them?
377
00:20:39,488 --> 00:20:41,448
Never. Not once.
378
00:20:41,531 --> 00:20:45,410
Jose was not an angry man.
I never saw him angry.
379
00:20:48,372 --> 00:20:52,167
She loved those boys.
She would do anything for them.
380
00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:56,046
She gave up everything for them.
381
00:20:57,256 --> 00:21:02,761
And for them to accuse her of the things
that they're saying that she did...
382
00:21:05,597 --> 00:21:08,517
You're going to burn in hell for that,
boys. You're going to burn in hell.
383
00:21:08,558 --> 00:21:10,269
- Objection.
- Overruled.
384
00:21:12,145 --> 00:21:13,145
This...
385
00:21:14,773 --> 00:21:18,986
This is their only piece of evidence
that abuse took place.
386
00:21:19,069 --> 00:21:20,779
This is a doctor's report
387
00:21:20,862 --> 00:21:24,992
that one time Erik Menendez got a bruise
in the back of his throat.
388
00:21:25,075 --> 00:21:26,618
- Objection.
- Overruled.
389
00:21:26,702 --> 00:21:31,206
A bruise that their own witness admitted
is commonly seen in children.
390
00:21:36,712 --> 00:21:37,754
Objection.
391
00:21:37,838 --> 00:21:38,839
Overruled.
392
00:21:38,922 --> 00:21:42,175
Do you remember... Do you remember
this book, ladies and gentlemen?
393
00:21:43,593 --> 00:21:46,972
{\an8}What if this is where
their story came from?
394
00:21:48,265 --> 00:21:49,933
It's not a huge leap to take
395
00:21:50,017 --> 00:21:56,315
because the author of this book
advised the defense in the previous trial.
396
00:21:56,398 --> 00:21:59,901
Your Honor, none of that is true.
397
00:21:59,985 --> 00:22:05,657
There is not a shred of evidence
that any of that ever happened.
398
00:22:05,741 --> 00:22:07,826
I demand a mistrial.
399
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:10,037
No. Sit down.
400
00:22:11,997 --> 00:22:12,997
Your Honor.
401
00:22:13,457 --> 00:22:16,251
Ms. Abramson, sit down. Now.
402
00:22:17,586 --> 00:22:18,586
Counsel.
403
00:22:19,838 --> 00:22:20,964
Thank you, Your Honor.
404
00:22:24,384 --> 00:22:26,386
It's all in here, ladies and gentlemen.
405
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:30,098
Down to how you should wear
a yellow sweater on the stand
406
00:22:30,182 --> 00:22:31,266
to seem innocent.
407
00:22:31,850 --> 00:22:35,771
Eight instances of alleged abuse
are exactly the same as in this book.
408
00:22:36,271 --> 00:22:39,358
How many hours did they spend
confessing to Dr. Oziel?
409
00:22:39,858 --> 00:22:43,737
They mentioned every other excuse.
Why didn't they mention sexual abuse then?
410
00:22:44,696 --> 00:22:46,740
When Erik confessed
to his best friend Craig
411
00:22:46,823 --> 00:22:49,659
that they were the ones
who killed their parents,
412
00:22:49,743 --> 00:22:51,995
why didn't he mention the reason
they killed them,
413
00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:54,956
this alleged sexual abuse
that stretched back years and years?
414
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,334
Why did they never mention it?
415
00:22:58,502 --> 00:23:00,295
Because it never happened.
416
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,385
Because it didn't even occur to them
to say it
417
00:23:07,094 --> 00:23:09,638
until they met
that woman right over there.
418
00:23:09,721 --> 00:23:11,390
- Objection.
- Overruled.
419
00:23:11,473 --> 00:23:15,811
That woman whose last high-profile
murderer client got off.
420
00:23:15,894 --> 00:23:18,188
How? The abuse excuse.
421
00:23:18,814 --> 00:23:21,400
She basically pioneered it,
ladies and gentlemen.
422
00:23:21,483 --> 00:23:24,653
So why not try to give it a shot here?
Here's how it works.
423
00:23:24,736 --> 00:23:26,822
You take a few facts, okay?
424
00:23:26,905 --> 00:23:31,410
Jose Menendez hit Lyle in the arm once.
There's this popsicle injury.
425
00:23:31,493 --> 00:23:35,831
And you weave that
into a story so horrific
426
00:23:35,914 --> 00:23:37,666
it's almost impossible to believe.
427
00:23:38,166 --> 00:23:40,335
Don't feel badly if you don't believe it.
428
00:23:40,419 --> 00:23:44,047
Ladies and gentlemen,
it is literally impossible to believe.
429
00:23:45,090 --> 00:23:46,466
And isn't it convenient
430
00:23:46,550 --> 00:23:50,470
that the only two people who could
corroborate Leslie Abramson's story
431
00:23:50,554 --> 00:23:51,805
are dead in the ground?
432
00:23:53,223 --> 00:23:55,058
Oh, and they're paying her.
433
00:23:56,518 --> 00:23:57,894
Isn't that incredible?
434
00:23:59,020 --> 00:24:03,316
Dead Jose and dead Kitty Menendez
have paid Leslie Abramson
435
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,651
close to a million dollars.
436
00:24:04,734 --> 00:24:06,153
A million dollars
437
00:24:06,236 --> 00:24:09,865
to write the most ridiculous story
ever heard in a courtroom.
438
00:24:09,948 --> 00:24:11,950
But it's not going to work this time.
439
00:24:12,701 --> 00:24:16,788
It's not going to work this time
because even if their story was true,
440
00:24:16,872 --> 00:24:20,208
they are still guilty
of first-degree murder.
441
00:24:20,834 --> 00:24:23,295
They conspired. They were lying in wait.
442
00:24:23,378 --> 00:24:27,299
They committed
a premeditated multiple murder.
443
00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:32,762
The law, ladies and gentlemen, the law
demands that you find them guilty.
444
00:24:32,846 --> 00:24:35,348
And the law demands
that they be put to death.
445
00:24:36,099 --> 00:24:39,019
Ladies and gentlemen,
some of you may have been abused.
446
00:24:40,061 --> 00:24:43,940
By a friend, a family member, a parent,
sexually or otherwise.
447
00:24:44,691 --> 00:24:48,069
Unfortunately, it happens
to millions of people all over the world.
448
00:24:50,155 --> 00:24:55,368
What is not common
is murdering people with shotguns.
449
00:24:58,705 --> 00:25:04,961
What is not common is placing a shotgun
on the crown of your father's head
450
00:25:05,795 --> 00:25:07,047
and pulling the trigger.
451
00:25:08,798 --> 00:25:14,095
What is not common is placing a shotgun
to the cheek of your mother,
452
00:25:14,763 --> 00:25:16,598
whose knee you shot out,
453
00:25:16,681 --> 00:25:20,101
whose fingers you've blown off
and pulling the trigger.
454
00:25:20,185 --> 00:25:22,187
Your Honor,
would the court ask Ms. Abramson
455
00:25:22,270 --> 00:25:24,940
to stop playing hangman with her client?
456
00:25:27,192 --> 00:25:30,570
Counsel, will you please stop playing
hangman with your client?
457
00:25:52,217 --> 00:25:55,720
I would like to note
that it is not my job to prove motive.
458
00:25:56,888 --> 00:25:57,888
But...
459
00:25:59,933 --> 00:26:02,102
it's pretty clear what the motive is here.
460
00:26:04,062 --> 00:26:05,063
It's money.
461
00:26:08,817 --> 00:26:13,363
Lyle stated that his biggest goal in life
was to have a Rolex.
462
00:26:13,446 --> 00:26:15,115
And this one.
463
00:26:15,907 --> 00:26:17,576
Erik's never had a job.
464
00:26:18,076 --> 00:26:19,494
Lyle's had two jobs.
465
00:26:19,578 --> 00:26:21,288
He delivered pizza for one day,
466
00:26:21,371 --> 00:26:25,041
and he did an internship
at his dad's company.
467
00:26:25,125 --> 00:26:29,629
Their father told them
that he was taking them out of the will.
468
00:26:29,713 --> 00:26:32,549
So good luck, kids. You are on your own.
469
00:26:33,842 --> 00:26:35,927
They had to kill him before that happened.
470
00:26:36,636 --> 00:26:38,471
- Objection.
- Overruled.
471
00:26:38,555 --> 00:26:42,183
Lyle and Erik drove around Beverly Hills
with a safe.
472
00:26:42,267 --> 00:26:45,186
Erik slept with a safe. Who does that?
473
00:26:47,063 --> 00:26:50,358
I guess people who love money.
474
00:26:50,442 --> 00:26:53,612
Lyle opened that safe
when he was all alone.
475
00:26:54,487 --> 00:26:55,780
Was the new will in there?
476
00:26:55,864 --> 00:26:58,533
The one that cut him and Erik
out of the will?
477
00:26:59,618 --> 00:27:02,370
We know that Erik told Craig Cignarelli
478
00:27:02,454 --> 00:27:07,375
that his father had 75 to 90 million
dollars in a Swiss bank account.
479
00:27:07,459 --> 00:27:10,545
75 to 90 million dollars.
480
00:27:10,629 --> 00:27:14,132
In the weeks and months
after they murdered their parents,
481
00:27:14,215 --> 00:27:17,802
they spent, in a hurry, $700,000.
482
00:27:17,886 --> 00:27:21,765
The Jeep, the Porsche, the gambling.
They lived at the Hotel Bel-Air.
483
00:27:22,432 --> 00:27:28,188
And all they had to do to get that money
was for their father to be gone.
484
00:27:28,271 --> 00:27:30,607
All they had to do was one little murder
485
00:27:32,150 --> 00:27:34,319
and they could have
all the money in the world.
486
00:27:37,656 --> 00:27:40,867
Except if... if Mom is still alive,
they got nothing.
487
00:27:41,785 --> 00:27:42,785
So...
488
00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:45,163
Mom had to go.
489
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:46,998
Mom had to go too.
490
00:27:52,003 --> 00:27:57,759
Ladies and gentlemen, the defendants
and their legal team are guilty.
491
00:27:57,842 --> 00:28:00,679
Not just of the crime
of which they are accused,
492
00:28:00,762 --> 00:28:03,348
but of something even more sinister.
493
00:28:04,849 --> 00:28:09,312
They're guilty of exploiting the trauma
of real sexual abuse victims everywhere
494
00:28:09,396 --> 00:28:12,440
and trying to use it
to get away with murder.
495
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:19,239
They're guilty of taking the memories of
the good, decent, loving mother and father
496
00:28:19,322 --> 00:28:22,117
whom they killed
and dragging those memories
497
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,246
through a putrid cesspool
of the ghastliest lies ever concocted.
498
00:28:26,329 --> 00:28:30,583
If there is a crime as heinous
as the murders they committed,
499
00:28:30,667 --> 00:28:31,876
it just may be that.
500
00:28:32,961 --> 00:28:35,213
Jose and Kitty Menendez were sleeping.
501
00:28:36,673 --> 00:28:37,841
They were sleeping.
502
00:28:38,633 --> 00:28:42,721
So they couldn't defend themselves
against the sons who executed them.
503
00:28:43,722 --> 00:28:45,682
They can't defend themselves now
504
00:28:45,765 --> 00:28:48,727
against the lies those sons dreamed up
505
00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:51,563
to try to escape the consequences
of their actions.
506
00:28:52,564 --> 00:28:57,318
But make no mistake,
Jose and Kitty are calling to you
507
00:28:57,402 --> 00:29:00,071
from beyond the grave to defend them now.
508
00:29:00,905 --> 00:29:03,992
You, ladies and gentlemen,
have that power.
509
00:29:05,118 --> 00:29:09,414
You have the power to defend them now.
You have the power to avenge them!
510
00:29:14,419 --> 00:29:15,503
Avenge them.
511
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:22,218
Do you still keep in touch
with the Goldman family?
512
00:29:22,302 --> 00:29:25,472
I do. Kim, especially.
513
00:29:26,139 --> 00:29:30,310
Needless to say, they're still devastated.
514
00:29:30,393 --> 00:29:34,147
To think that O.J. Simpson is a free man
515
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:37,817
despite the overwhelming evidence
against him.
516
00:29:37,901 --> 00:29:40,779
But that's justice in America for you.
517
00:29:40,862 --> 00:29:44,073
Whether it's the race card
or the abuse excuse,
518
00:29:44,157 --> 00:29:48,244
if you've got a defense team
that knows how to game the system,
519
00:29:48,328 --> 00:29:50,163
you can get away with anything.
520
00:29:50,246 --> 00:29:52,624
So, no plans to write about it?
521
00:29:52,707 --> 00:29:57,128
None. I'm actually leaving for Connecticut
next week to finish my book.
522
00:29:57,212 --> 00:29:59,506
Crown's been breathing down my neck.
523
00:29:59,589 --> 00:30:01,841
Come on, Nick. You can't leave LA now.
524
00:30:05,011 --> 00:30:10,600
If I'm being honest,
I'm a little over the Menendez boys.
525
00:30:11,267 --> 00:30:13,978
And I think so is the rest of the country.
526
00:30:14,062 --> 00:30:19,108
In the pantheon of celebrity
murder trials, they're has-beens.
527
00:30:19,192 --> 00:30:20,777
The culture's moved on.
528
00:30:20,860 --> 00:30:24,864
And not to be catty,
but have you seen them lately?
529
00:30:24,948 --> 00:30:29,202
They've lost their luster,
not to mention most of their groupies.
530
00:30:29,285 --> 00:30:35,500
However, I did hear that Lyle's in
a rather serious, committed relationship.
531
00:30:38,336 --> 00:30:40,672
Her name's Anna Eriksson.
532
00:30:40,755 --> 00:30:43,925
- I love you.
- It started off as pen pals,
533
00:30:44,008 --> 00:30:49,973
but now it seems Prince Lyle and
his sweet Rapunzel are very much in love.
534
00:30:50,056 --> 00:30:54,978
And, rumor has it, wedding bells
could be in their near future.
535
00:30:55,061 --> 00:30:58,189
And what about Erik? Any news on him?
536
00:30:58,273 --> 00:30:59,566
Ah!
537
00:30:59,649 --> 00:31:01,192
The Hurt Man.
538
00:31:01,276 --> 00:31:04,863
Sounds like Erik's been having
a rough time of late.
539
00:31:07,323 --> 00:31:09,868
Hey, give me back my book, please.
540
00:31:09,951 --> 00:31:12,871
- I didn't take your book.
- Yeah, you did.
541
00:31:12,954 --> 00:31:15,248
I saw you take it. Give it back to me.
542
00:31:15,748 --> 00:31:18,126
I said, I didn't take your fucking book!
543
00:31:25,717 --> 00:31:28,636
I said, give me back my book!
544
00:31:29,721 --> 00:31:33,725
He's been thrown in the hole
for several breaches of conduct,
545
00:31:33,808 --> 00:31:39,063
fights with inmates, angry outbursts,
another alleged escape plan.
546
00:31:39,147 --> 00:31:44,444
It's obvious he's feeling more on edge
during this second trial than the first.
547
00:31:44,527 --> 00:31:46,446
Does he still have the same girlfriend?
548
00:31:47,030 --> 00:31:49,240
Last I heard, yes. Tammi.
549
00:31:49,324 --> 00:31:50,909
She still lives in Minnesota,
550
00:31:50,992 --> 00:31:53,953
and apparently,
they write each other all the time.
551
00:31:54,037 --> 00:31:57,040
"To my dearest Tammi,
wishing you 300 days of love."
552
00:31:57,123 --> 00:31:59,542
"We may be separated
by thousands of miles,
553
00:31:59,626 --> 00:32:01,544
but I feel you near to my heart."
554
00:32:01,628 --> 00:32:04,631
So, do you think he and Lyle
will be found guilty this time?
555
00:32:06,049 --> 00:32:07,175
Who's to say?
556
00:32:08,676 --> 00:32:13,264
But after Rodney King, the riots, OJ,
557
00:32:14,265 --> 00:32:19,646
I don't think this town could survive
another gross injustice.
558
00:32:19,729 --> 00:32:24,108
Which may mean that
after nearly seven years, two trials,
559
00:32:24,192 --> 00:32:26,653
and countless legal maneuverings,
560
00:32:26,736 --> 00:32:29,781
this could be the end of the road
for Erik and Lyle,
561
00:32:29,864 --> 00:32:34,202
and they'll finally face
the reckoning they deserve.
562
00:32:34,702 --> 00:32:38,373
So then, maybe,
at least in the Menendez case,
563
00:32:38,456 --> 00:32:41,376
we'll hopefully
see some justice after all.
564
00:32:45,129 --> 00:32:49,050
If I still believed in hope,
565
00:32:50,426 --> 00:32:52,053
I'd certainly hope so.
566
00:32:52,553 --> 00:32:56,015
The jury has reached a verdict.
Defendants, please rise.
567
00:33:01,145 --> 00:33:04,649
We, the jury, find the defendant,
Joseph Lyle Menendez,
568
00:33:04,732 --> 00:33:06,693
guilty of murder in the first degree
569
00:33:06,776 --> 00:33:09,904
for the murders of Jose Menendez
and Mary Louise Menendez.
570
00:33:10,488 --> 00:33:13,241
We further find
the special circumstance allegation
571
00:33:13,324 --> 00:33:15,743
that the defendant, Eric Galen Menendez,
572
00:33:15,827 --> 00:33:19,539
intentionally killed the victims
while lying in wait to be true.
573
00:33:23,376 --> 00:33:25,878
Members of the jury,
is this your verdict?
574
00:33:25,962 --> 00:33:27,797
Say you one, say you all?
575
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:28,880
Yes.
576
00:33:30,758 --> 00:33:34,512
At this time, court will recess
till Monday morning at 8:30
577
00:33:34,595 --> 00:33:36,889
when we will begin the penalty phase.
578
00:33:36,973 --> 00:33:41,477
And since both defendants have
been found guilty of first-degree murder
579
00:33:41,561 --> 00:33:44,814
with special circumstances,
under California law,
580
00:33:44,897 --> 00:33:48,109
the jury is only allowed to consider
two sentencing options.
581
00:33:48,192 --> 00:33:51,070
Life without parole or death.
582
00:33:52,947 --> 00:33:54,115
Court is adjourned.
583
00:33:55,992 --> 00:33:59,996
Oh, don't give me that crap. Those shits
deserve to die and you know it.
584
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:02,290
Leigh, we understand how you feel.
585
00:34:02,373 --> 00:34:06,294
And trust me, I don't disagree with you,
but you have to let her speak.
586
00:34:06,377 --> 00:34:09,505
Well, I'm getting sick of it.
But fine, Mary, go ahead.
587
00:34:10,965 --> 00:34:13,968
I think these boys were abused
their entire lives.
588
00:34:14,052 --> 00:34:16,095
- Horseshit.
- How can you say that?
589
00:34:16,179 --> 00:34:18,139
Because it never happened.
590
00:34:18,222 --> 00:34:20,308
But maybe it did.
591
00:34:21,017 --> 00:34:23,144
Did you hear their family? Their cousins?
592
00:34:23,227 --> 00:34:26,439
Oh, come on.
They paid them to say what they said.
593
00:34:26,522 --> 00:34:30,777
You can't prove that. That poor boy,
Andy, how can you say that about him?
594
00:34:30,860 --> 00:34:32,862
Because he's a liar.
595
00:34:32,945 --> 00:34:35,656
If Andy cared so much
about his poor little cousin,
596
00:34:35,740 --> 00:34:38,451
why didn't he say something
about it years ago?
597
00:34:39,368 --> 00:34:42,330
He was a child, and he was scared.
598
00:34:42,413 --> 00:34:46,209
And what about those horrible
pornographic photos of the boys?
599
00:34:46,292 --> 00:34:49,462
Oh, please.
They took those photos themselves.
600
00:34:49,545 --> 00:34:51,047
How can you be so stupid?
601
00:34:51,130 --> 00:34:54,383
You saw the whole rest of the roll.
They were all taken by kids.
602
00:34:54,467 --> 00:34:56,302
But you don't know that Jose...
603
00:34:56,385 --> 00:35:01,599
If Jose was such a pedophile,
why were there only two photos, huh?
604
00:35:01,682 --> 00:35:03,059
Where were the rest of them?
605
00:35:03,726 --> 00:35:05,269
And while we're on the photos, Andrew,
606
00:35:05,353 --> 00:35:08,189
let me see the one
of the boys sitting on Jose's lap.
607
00:35:09,816 --> 00:35:11,859
You really think this is sexual abuse?
608
00:35:11,943 --> 00:35:14,821
Because where I come from,
we call it a Christmas card.
609
00:35:14,904 --> 00:35:16,989
- Okay, we're gonna have to move...
- No. No!
610
00:35:17,073 --> 00:35:21,160
Do you really want me to believe
that Erik, the star athlete,
611
00:35:21,244 --> 00:35:25,540
let his father rape him all the way
up till a week before the murder?
612
00:35:26,165 --> 00:35:30,336
And then all that junk about attacking him
with some Rambo knife?
613
00:35:30,419 --> 00:35:31,462
It's a load of shit.
614
00:35:31,546 --> 00:35:35,591
And if it was the truth, then he should've
just run away or told the cops.
615
00:35:35,675 --> 00:35:39,303
Leigh, he could have been too scared
to get the police involved.
616
00:35:39,387 --> 00:35:43,141
Ugh! You know what? It's like you were
born under a rock or something.
617
00:35:43,224 --> 00:35:44,767
You saw Erik on the stand.
618
00:35:44,851 --> 00:35:47,812
Nothing he said made any sense.
None of it!
619
00:35:47,895 --> 00:35:51,065
All he did was lie. It was all lies.
620
00:35:51,149 --> 00:35:53,568
The pins and the toothbrushes.
621
00:35:53,651 --> 00:35:56,863
And don't even get me started
on that creep in the wig.
622
00:35:56,946 --> 00:35:59,824
God only knows why he didn't testify.
623
00:36:00,408 --> 00:36:02,076
Did you hear him on the tape
624
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,371
talking about missing his parents
that he murdered?
625
00:36:05,454 --> 00:36:07,665
Like missing his dog?
626
00:36:07,748 --> 00:36:09,041
His dog?!
627
00:36:09,709 --> 00:36:13,963
Jesus Christ! I think it's the coldest
thing I've ever heard anyone say.
628
00:36:14,046 --> 00:36:15,590
Fucking psycho!
629
00:36:16,257 --> 00:36:19,260
You expect me to have sympathy?
And what about that poor mother?
630
00:36:19,844 --> 00:36:20,928
It makes me sick.
631
00:36:21,012 --> 00:36:23,264
Then they keep talking
about how scared they were.
632
00:36:23,347 --> 00:36:26,225
If they were so scared,
why didn't they run away?
633
00:36:26,309 --> 00:36:28,477
That's what you do when you're scared.
634
00:36:28,561 --> 00:36:30,813
But that's not what they did.
They ran towards it.
635
00:36:30,897 --> 00:36:35,067
They ran towards the very thing
that they say they were so scared of.
636
00:36:35,151 --> 00:36:37,987
It is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
637
00:36:38,487 --> 00:36:41,115
Then they come in here
with some insane story
638
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:44,327
about Greek warriors and stuffed animals
639
00:36:44,410 --> 00:36:48,497
and penis blisters
and shitting in plastic Tupperware.
640
00:36:48,581 --> 00:36:50,833
And you expect me to believe a word of it?
641
00:36:50,917 --> 00:36:53,628
Well, I don't! And I never will.
642
00:36:53,711 --> 00:36:57,256
Because they're evil little monsters
and they deserve to die.
643
00:36:57,340 --> 00:37:00,718
And I will not stop until you all
get your heads out of your asses
644
00:37:00,801 --> 00:37:02,386
and put them to death.
645
00:37:04,764 --> 00:37:06,349
You okay, Leigh? Oh my God.
646
00:37:06,432 --> 00:37:07,975
- Leigh!
- Oh my God.
647
00:37:08,768 --> 00:37:09,769
Someone get some help.
648
00:37:10,478 --> 00:37:13,022
Oh my God!
Somebody get some help right now!
649
00:37:13,105 --> 00:37:16,317
Oh my God! Everyone back up!
Somebody help us, please!
650
00:37:18,110 --> 00:37:22,240
Um... I gotta admit,
I'm pretty nervous about being here.
651
00:37:23,407 --> 00:37:26,035
It's crazy how some things work out.
652
00:37:26,118 --> 00:37:29,330
I know we haven't spoken much
since I was just an alternate,
653
00:37:30,414 --> 00:37:34,961
but I've spent the last few weeks
trying to figure out
654
00:37:35,044 --> 00:37:38,506
what I would do if I had to decide
between life and death.
655
00:37:38,589 --> 00:37:41,133
And, um... now here I am.
656
00:37:42,343 --> 00:37:47,306
We never heard anyone say they were
violent or they got in any fights.
657
00:37:47,390 --> 00:37:49,934
All I heard about was how good they were.
658
00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:53,312
All those coaches and teachers.
659
00:37:53,396 --> 00:37:56,232
I... I couldn't believe
how much they all cared about them.
660
00:37:57,650 --> 00:38:00,736
And I kept thinking about their relatives.
661
00:38:00,820 --> 00:38:03,072
Talking about how much they loved them.
662
00:38:03,572 --> 00:38:04,991
Fighting for their lives.
663
00:38:06,909 --> 00:38:08,286
That's gotta mean something.
664
00:38:11,122 --> 00:38:13,708
Look, I honestly don't know
what to believe.
665
00:38:14,208 --> 00:38:18,254
But I know if I were in their position
666
00:38:18,337 --> 00:38:21,173
and lived through
what they said they lived through...
667
00:38:22,967 --> 00:38:25,136
...I probably would've done the same thing.
668
00:38:25,678 --> 00:38:27,680
I've definitely snapped before.
669
00:38:27,763 --> 00:38:30,933
I never killed anyone,
but I've definitely snapped.
670
00:38:31,017 --> 00:38:34,020
And I know we're never gonna know
what really happened in that family,
671
00:38:34,103 --> 00:38:39,567
but if there's even the slightest chance
that what they said is true...
672
00:38:42,653 --> 00:38:44,071
I'll tell you right now,
673
00:38:44,905 --> 00:38:47,533
I'm not gonna be the one responsible
for taking their lives
674
00:38:47,616 --> 00:38:49,869
because I think
that would be a huge mistake.
675
00:38:51,537 --> 00:38:54,874
And when the time comes and we vote...
676
00:38:58,127 --> 00:38:59,545
I hope we all think about that.
677
00:39:00,421 --> 00:39:03,090
And I hope we make a decision
we can live with
678
00:39:03,174 --> 00:39:05,259
just like they did that night.
679
00:39:06,844 --> 00:39:09,847
Because we're gonna have to live with it
for the rest of our lives.
680
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:18,480
Hey.
681
00:39:21,484 --> 00:39:22,401
What?
682
00:39:24,612 --> 00:39:25,946
They're ready for you.
683
00:39:47,134 --> 00:39:48,344
Ready?
684
00:40:00,523 --> 00:40:03,442
{\an8}Earlier, a jury recommended
that Lyle and Eric Menendez
685
00:40:03,526 --> 00:40:06,445
{\an8}be sentenced to two consecutive life terms
686
00:40:06,529 --> 00:40:10,574
{\an8}for the brutal slaying of their parents,
Jose and Kitty Menendez.
687
00:40:10,658 --> 00:40:13,285
{\an8}The jury could have recommended
the death penalty,
688
00:40:13,369 --> 00:40:15,621
{\an8}but after three days of deliberation,
689
00:40:15,704 --> 00:40:18,958
{\an8}they opted to send the brothers to prison
for the rest of their lives
690
00:40:19,041 --> 00:40:21,252
with no chance of parole.
691
00:40:21,335 --> 00:40:24,296
Mr. Conn, are you disappointed the jury
didn't recommend the death penalty?
692
00:40:24,380 --> 00:40:26,173
I think the jury did an excellent job.
693
00:40:26,257 --> 00:40:27,842
We can all rest easier tonight knowing
694
00:40:27,925 --> 00:40:30,219
that Lyle and Erik Menendez
will never be free men
695
00:40:30,302 --> 00:40:32,221
and that they'll both die in prison.
696
00:40:32,304 --> 00:40:36,225
Honestly, I feel a sense
of enormous relief.
697
00:40:36,308 --> 00:40:37,309
Is it a win?
698
00:40:38,811 --> 00:40:40,271
Man, what's a win?
699
00:40:40,354 --> 00:40:43,065
You know, they're gonna spend
the rest of their lives in prison,
700
00:40:43,149 --> 00:40:44,275
which is an awful place.
701
00:40:44,358 --> 00:40:48,446
It's better than watching them be strapped
into a gurney at San Quentin
702
00:40:48,529 --> 00:40:51,657
as the State executes them
by lethal injection.
703
00:40:52,825 --> 00:40:56,162
They are two tremendous human beings,
704
00:40:56,245 --> 00:41:00,207
and I feel confident
that they will find a way
705
00:41:00,291 --> 00:41:03,294
to positively contribute to society
from prison.
706
00:41:03,377 --> 00:41:06,547
And if they do have to spend
their lives in prison,
707
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:08,507
at least they won't be alone.
708
00:41:08,591 --> 00:41:10,092
They will have each other.
709
00:41:15,014 --> 00:41:19,059
Les, I know what you're up to,
trying to separate the boys.
710
00:41:19,143 --> 00:41:21,687
It's cruel. It's punitive.
711
00:41:21,770 --> 00:41:24,106
Family members stay together.
712
00:41:24,190 --> 00:41:27,860
Family members who conspired to get out
of the murders they committed together?
713
00:41:27,943 --> 00:41:28,819
Ugh! Please.
714
00:41:28,903 --> 00:41:31,697
God knows what they'd cook up
if they lived in the same prison
715
00:41:31,780 --> 00:41:33,073
for the rest of their lives.
716
00:41:33,157 --> 00:41:35,659
You know who I was thinking about
the other day?
717
00:41:35,743 --> 00:41:42,541
Every client I have ever had for 26 years.
718
00:41:42,625 --> 00:41:47,796
Everyone I have acquitted
who is walking around Los Angeles.
719
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,715
And you wanna know what I realized?
720
00:41:49,798 --> 00:41:51,592
Is that Erik and Lyle Menendez
721
00:41:51,675 --> 00:41:54,970
are probably the least dangerous
of all of them.
722
00:41:55,554 --> 00:41:58,098
Leslie, they're liars.
723
00:41:59,141 --> 00:42:02,561
They shot their parents
while they were sleeping on a couch.
724
00:42:08,734 --> 00:42:10,569
It's actually not impossible.
725
00:42:10,653 --> 00:42:14,615
People could wake up in a few years
and be like,
726
00:42:15,282 --> 00:42:18,577
"We gotta change the system,
where two kids..."
727
00:42:18,661 --> 00:42:22,331
And yes, I know, what we did
was very wrong, and I get that.
728
00:42:22,957 --> 00:42:26,627
But, like, to spend the rest of our lives
in prison? Like, that's just...
729
00:42:28,045 --> 00:42:30,673
- What purpose does that even serve?
- Erik, Erik, Erik.
730
00:42:32,883 --> 00:42:34,385
I want to say something.
731
00:42:35,219 --> 00:42:36,219
Maybe sit.
732
00:42:42,351 --> 00:42:46,605
The appeals process, it's good
that you're going through that.
733
00:42:46,689 --> 00:42:47,689
Absolutely.
734
00:42:49,024 --> 00:42:53,696
But I don't want getting out of prison
to be the only thing you hope for.
735
00:42:55,155 --> 00:42:56,407
Does that make sense?
736
00:42:58,284 --> 00:42:59,535
No.
737
00:42:59,618 --> 00:43:01,662
Erik, your life is in here now.
738
00:43:03,289 --> 00:43:07,209
You've got to find meaning
and purpose in your life in here.
739
00:43:08,794 --> 00:43:12,548
And that is possible, Erik,
to... to find a meaningful life in here.
740
00:43:13,132 --> 00:43:18,012
I've seen it happen, and I have
complete faith that you will find that.
741
00:43:54,048 --> 00:43:55,132
Wake up, Menendez.
742
00:43:57,885 --> 00:43:58,969
What's going on?
743
00:43:59,053 --> 00:44:00,971
You and your brother
are being transferred.
744
00:44:01,805 --> 00:44:02,805
Okay.
745
00:44:04,391 --> 00:44:05,517
Come on. Let's go.
746
00:44:06,769 --> 00:44:09,730
♪ I knew it from the start
You would break my heart ♪
747
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:12,691
♪ But, still I had to play
This painful part ♪
748
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,695
♪ You wrapped me 'round
Your little bitty finger ♪
749
00:44:16,779 --> 00:44:18,280
♪ With your magic smile ♪
750
00:44:18,364 --> 00:44:22,451
♪ You kept me hangin'
On a lover's cross awhile ♪
751
00:44:22,951 --> 00:44:24,536
♪ You put your spell on me ♪
752
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,538
♪ Took my breath away ♪
753
00:44:26,622 --> 00:44:30,918
♪ But there was nothin' I could do
To make you stay ♪
754
00:44:31,001 --> 00:44:32,294
♪ I'm gonna miss you ♪
755
00:44:32,378 --> 00:44:34,838
♪ All the love I feel for you ♪
756
00:44:35,714 --> 00:44:39,176
♪ Nothing could make me
Change my point of view ♪
757
00:44:39,843 --> 00:44:44,139
♪ Oh girl, girl, I'm gonna miss you baby ♪
758
00:44:44,973 --> 00:44:47,559
♪ Giving all the love I feel for you ♪
759
00:44:48,060 --> 00:44:50,896
♪ Couldn't make you change
Your point of view ♪
760
00:44:50,979 --> 00:44:54,191
♪ You're leavin' ♪
761
00:44:57,528 --> 00:45:00,614
♪ Now I'm sittin' here, wastin' my time ♪
762
00:45:01,198 --> 00:45:02,408
♪ I just don't know... ♪
763
00:45:02,491 --> 00:45:03,701
Erik Menendez.
764
00:45:04,451 --> 00:45:05,703
- Yeah?
- Hop in.
765
00:45:05,786 --> 00:45:06,786
Where are we going?
766
00:45:06,829 --> 00:45:09,915
Folsom Prison.
Get comfy. It's a long drive.
767
00:45:11,917 --> 00:45:18,632
♪ It's a tragedy for me to see
The dream is over ♪
768
00:45:19,842 --> 00:45:21,802
- Is...
- I said hop in.
769
00:45:23,011 --> 00:45:26,557
♪ Girl, I'm gonna miss you ♪
770
00:45:41,196 --> 00:45:43,532
♪ Like a honey bee
You took the best of me ♪
771
00:45:44,032 --> 00:45:46,785
♪ Now I can't erase those memories ♪
772
00:45:46,869 --> 00:45:49,830
♪ Like a fairy tale you were so unreal ♪
773
00:45:50,372 --> 00:45:53,083
♪ You left a scar that's so hard to heal ♪
774
00:45:53,584 --> 00:45:56,420
♪ When you had a taste of paradise ♪
775
00:45:56,503 --> 00:45:59,298
♪ Back on earth can feel as cold as ice ♪
776
00:45:59,381 --> 00:46:00,924
♪ I'm gonna miss you ♪
777
00:46:02,134 --> 00:46:04,511
♪ I'm gonna miss you
I'm gonna miss you ♪
778
00:46:04,595 --> 00:46:05,888
♪ I miss you ♪
779
00:46:05,971 --> 00:46:08,056
♪ Giving all the love I feel for you ♪
780
00:46:08,932 --> 00:46:11,769
♪ Couldn't make you
Change your point of view ♪
781
00:46:11,852 --> 00:46:15,063
♪ You're leavin' ♪
782
00:46:18,442 --> 00:46:21,779
♪ Now I'm sittin' here, wastin' my time ♪
783
00:46:22,279 --> 00:46:27,075
♪ I just don't know what I should do ♪
784
00:46:32,873 --> 00:46:39,838
♪ It's a tragedy for me to see
The dream is over ♪
785
00:46:39,922 --> 00:46:43,926
♪ And I never will forget the day we met ♪
786
00:46:44,009 --> 00:46:47,054
♪ Girl, I'm gonna miss you ♪
787
00:46:47,137 --> 00:46:49,306
♪ It's a tragedy for me... ♪
788
00:46:49,389 --> 00:46:51,350
Wait, why isn't
the other van following us?
789
00:46:51,433 --> 00:46:54,102
Where... I thought we were going to Folsom.
790
00:46:54,186 --> 00:46:57,689
You're going to Folsom.
Your brother's going someplace else.
791
00:46:58,357 --> 00:46:59,191
Where?
792
00:46:59,274 --> 00:47:01,860
♪... miss you ♪
793
00:47:13,914 --> 00:47:16,291
It is beautiful.
794
00:47:16,375 --> 00:47:19,711
You know that there is a shipwreck
right underneath us, 200 feet down?
795
00:47:19,795 --> 00:47:21,380
That's where the sharks are?
796
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,508
- Out here.
- Wait, are we fishing for sharks?
797
00:47:24,591 --> 00:47:26,510
Yeah. Didn't I tell you?
798
00:47:26,593 --> 00:47:30,430
No, no, no. You said we were fishing.
You did not say shark fishing.
799
00:47:32,808 --> 00:47:36,603
I told you about the guy from Arista
that I met with in New York.
800
00:47:36,687 --> 00:47:38,397
I was trying to close a deal with him
801
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,441
and he said that
he loves the shark fishing shit.
802
00:47:41,525 --> 00:47:44,111
And I lied to him.
And I said, "Yeah, me too!"
803
00:47:44,194 --> 00:47:47,281
"Let's do a shark fishing trip
next time you're in town!"
804
00:47:47,364 --> 00:47:49,700
So I got to know what I'm talking about.
805
00:47:50,742 --> 00:47:54,913
- What kind of sharks are we fishing?
- I don't know. Um...
806
00:47:55,914 --> 00:47:56,832
No idea.
807
00:47:56,915 --> 00:47:59,084
Uh, Captain. Captain.
808
00:47:59,585 --> 00:48:00,419
Yes, sir.
809
00:48:00,502 --> 00:48:02,588
What kind of sharks are we getting today?
810
00:48:02,671 --> 00:48:07,259
Uh, we're looking at blue sharks,
mako, maybe a great white.
811
00:48:07,342 --> 00:48:08,886
But they'll be juveniles mostly.
812
00:48:08,969 --> 00:48:10,888
- Okay. Juveniles!
- Oh great!
813
00:48:10,971 --> 00:48:13,307
Jaws is going to bite my arm off.
814
00:48:16,768 --> 00:48:18,395
I hated it when you went on trips.
815
00:48:19,479 --> 00:48:23,025
Stuck me with those boys all by myself
while you were off with her.
816
00:48:23,108 --> 00:48:27,321
Kitty cat, look at me.
Look at me, Kitty cat. No, no, no.
817
00:48:27,404 --> 00:48:28,447
That is over.
818
00:48:28,530 --> 00:48:32,576
I chased the wrong things.
I chased shit for a long time.
819
00:48:33,118 --> 00:48:37,122
The thing that I needed the most,
I had it with me.
820
00:48:37,205 --> 00:48:38,332
I had you.
821
00:48:41,668 --> 00:48:42,753
And I love you.
822
00:48:46,423 --> 00:48:50,344
It wasn't easy, but we fucking did it.
We made it.
823
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,516
And you know what,
you should go back to journalism, Kitty.
824
00:48:57,559 --> 00:48:59,645
Wait, what? No.
825
00:48:59,728 --> 00:49:01,730
Yes, I mean it. I'll tell you why.
826
00:49:02,481 --> 00:49:06,360
Because if I am running for Senate,
you could be writing about me.
827
00:49:07,653 --> 00:49:12,115
Oh yeah! Report on
how wonderful a husband I am.
828
00:49:12,199 --> 00:49:15,702
Oh yeah? You better not be joking
because I just might.
829
00:49:17,162 --> 00:49:20,082
Okay, guys!
It's time to chum up the water.
830
00:49:21,249 --> 00:49:22,249
Here we go.
831
00:49:23,001 --> 00:49:25,337
You wanna kinda dribble it in here.
832
00:49:25,420 --> 00:49:26,296
Oh dear God.
833
00:49:26,380 --> 00:49:27,506
I can't!
834
00:49:30,175 --> 00:49:32,094
Boys, come back here!
835
00:49:34,304 --> 00:49:36,515
- What is going on with them?
- I don't know.
836
00:49:36,598 --> 00:49:38,600
Who the fuck knows? Just let them be.
837
00:49:52,114 --> 00:49:53,907
You're not chickening out, are you?
838
00:49:55,033 --> 00:49:56,201
We bought the guns.
839
00:50:01,915 --> 00:50:02,916
No.
840
00:50:07,421 --> 00:50:08,630
Let's fucking do it.
841
00:50:13,844 --> 00:50:14,845
Yeah.
842
00:50:19,141 --> 00:50:20,726
Let's fucking do it.
69798
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