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State your name for the record.
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Judalon Smyth.
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J-U-D-A-L-O-N Smyth. S-M-Y-T-H.
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I own a tape duplicating company,
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and I also sell and specialize
in crystals and stones,
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and I publish a newsletter
for doll collectors.
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I have two cats, Shanti Oz and Ishi Kitty.
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How did you first meet
L. Jerome Oziel?
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I was duplicating some tapes
of seminars about relationships,
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and I wanted to go to one.
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And at the end, it said to contact
the Phobia Institute of Beverly Hills,
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and Dr. Oziel answered.
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He said I didn't need a seminar,
I needed one-on-one therapy.
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And your relationship
became sexual, did it not?
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Well, our relationship
became rape, brainwashing, hypnotism...
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- Objection.
- Sustained.
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...physical abuse, mental abuse, kidnapping.
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- Objection.
- Sustained. Ms. Smyth.
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Okay. Wow, I'm talking!
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I'm sorry, can you repeat the question?
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He put me on Xanax and Prozac.
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He made me take an AIDS test
before we had sex.
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It was always in seven months,
that's when the divorce would happen.
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And then seven months later, he'd say
he was getting a divorce in seven months.
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Can I just ask, is it Men-endez
or Menendez?
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Jerry's license was suspended
the entire time.
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- He shouldn't have been seeing anybody.
- Objection.
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He had his patients pay him in chores
like they were his servants.
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- Your Honor, objection.
- Just like I was a sex servant.
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Objection.
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I don't know what you are objecting to.
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Was it getting drugs
rammed down your throat?
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Because I objected to that too.
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Sustained, Ms. Smyth.
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Sorry, I'm just trying
to answer the question.
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- She's a fucking star.
- I know.
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She's gonna win this trial for us.
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Ms. Smyth,
do you know what this is?
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Yes, uh...
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This is an IOU for 500 sex acts
I had to perform on him.
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And you signed that, yes?
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Yes, I did, and my cats are the witnesses.
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It's their cute little paws.
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There.
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When did you begin recording Dr. Oziel?
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Well, at first, it was just
my answering machine doing it.
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I mean, it would just record people.
It was like it had this will of its own.
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Hello? Are you still there?
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Oh my God.
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I think it's recording us.
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But then, because I had all that equipment
for my business,
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yes, I did start recording him.
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I'm a... Oh yeah. Uh-huh.
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I'm gonna increase your dose of Prozac
'cause I'm a hunk o' hunk of burning love.
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That's him doing Elvis.
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And sometimes when we kiss,
the honesty is too much.
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And it makes me want to do you
on the kitchen floor.
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That's a love poem.
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This is what he considers a love poem.
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Mm.
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I like that.
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I like that a lot, Dr. Daddy.
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I did a baby voice with him a lot.
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Ms. Smyth,
can you take us back to that Halloween?
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The one where L. Jerome Oziel
alleges Erik confesses to him?
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Well, he knew
I wanted to break up with him,
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so he used Lyle and Erik
to suck me back in.
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Judalon! I'm... I'm serious.
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He's on his way over, and I'm scared.
And I need your help.
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What?
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I brought a loaded gun.
I borrowed it from my neighbor.
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And Ms. Smyth, could you hear
what they were saying inside the office?
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No, just Erik crying and Lyle shouting.
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So you didn't hear them
threaten L. Jerome Oziel?
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No. The only thing I heard Lyle say was...
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Oh, Hawaii, huh?
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Well, you will have a great time
wherever you go.
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I mean, you couldn't go wrong.
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Good luck, Dr. Oziel.
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"Good luck, Dr. Oziel."
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Correct. And Jerry was not scared
after they left.
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There's $14 million at stake.
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Judalon!
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I mean, and I just want
to help them invest it.
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And yes, AutoMax is my company,
but it's also a great investment.
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And then it got dark.
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Stop it!
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No!
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That's it.
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Swallow. Swallow.
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But, other than that,
everything is stabilized?
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Yes.
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She has tried to do this before.
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But I'm her doctor.
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I can take it from here.
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No.
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Now, if you ever leave me,
I will have you committed.
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He kept telling me
that Erik was coming after me.
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And I kept having nightmares.
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And he kept mentioning how Kitty's eye
was dangling from the socket
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when they found her, over and over again.
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He said my mom was a witch
who was going to poison me.
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He used the word "thorns" to hypnotize me.
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So whenever he'd say "thorns,"
my mind would just go blank.
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He raped me.
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Two times he raped me.
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Has L. Jerome Oziel ever been accused
of assaulting other patients?
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Uh... Objection. Relevance.
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It's extremely relevant, I'd say,
of having sex with them,
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of giving them drugs
without prescriptions.
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- Objection.
- Sustained.
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Of having them also call him "Dr. Daddy."
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I said, sustained.
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- Strike that from the record.
- Withdrawn.
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When you went to the police,
is it true you went there for safety?
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For protection against this man who had
raped you, who you feared would kill you?
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- Yes.
- Where are you going, counsel?
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- And what did they do about it?
- Absolutely nothing.
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Ms. Smyth, are you in love with Dr. Oziel?
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God, no.
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So you're not just saying all this
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'cause he wouldn't divorce his wife
and have kids with you?
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I did not want kids that looked like him.
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Thank you, Ms. Smyth.
No further questions.
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Let's break here for lunch.
Back at 1:30.
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Jurors, I remind you not to deliberate
or discuss the case.
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Did you feel that?
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No. Feel what?
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Fourteen million, bro. I mean, I always
thought it was gonna be more like 30.
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I think that it probably is more like 30,
that we'll get from the estate,
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but let's just say it's fucking 14.
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- You got legal fees, though.
- Okay, so 13.
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I feel I've been thinking ahead
this whole time
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'cause I knew this was gonna go our way,
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so I got the dream all figured out
for myself. Mr. Buffalo's, the book.
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And there's gonna be a movie?
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You know that, right?
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Erik, they're gonna make
a fucking movie about us.
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E!
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- Who's gonna play us?
- I don't know, Lyle.
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You and I need to figure out a way that
we're in charge of decisions like that.
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Okay, yeah.
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I'm just saying,
start thinking about your dream, man.
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What you want to do when this is all over
because we're almost there.
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We fucking did it. We fucking did it!
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And all those fuckheads
who say that we're, what...
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We're serial killers like Jeffrey Dahmer?
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Dahmer's cousins.
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They can eat shit.
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They can eat shit.
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Brian Bosworth,
he'd be a great fucking Lyle.
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I was thinking maybe Rob Lowe
could play you.
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He's sexy.
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Um, we should make him audition.
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What was that?
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- What the fuck.
- Did you hear that?
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Open the gate! Open the gate!
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Let me out!
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Get out!
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- Come on!
- Go!
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Lyle! Lyle!
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Stop...
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Hello. I need to speak to somebody
at the LA County Men's Jail.
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Leslie, I smell gas.
We need to get out of here.
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Okay, I just need to know
if the building is there.
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We need to go.
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I need to know
if the building is standing.
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- Get off the phone. We need to go!
- Can you tell me if it's standing?
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Shit.
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- Leslie, I just talked to Lyle.
- Oh, thank God. You got through?
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Yes, he's fine. They're both fine.
Tossed around, but they're doing okay.
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They don't stop.
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How is it by you? You're in Westwood?
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Cheviot Hills,
but the house is a new construction,
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and I thought it was gonna collapse.
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I got hold of Weisberg,
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he said there's no way it'll be safe
to continue here.
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He's open to other options, said we can
likely use the courtroom that's downtown.
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Well, at least it's an easier commute
for Erik and Lyle.
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Malkovich, dude. John fucking Malkovich.
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That is who played me
on Saturday Night Live.
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Norma saw it, said it was fucking awesome.
We are fucking famous.
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And it's not just the trial, it's us.
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Our ratings are through the fucking roof.
They're off the charts, Erik.
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You know it's okay to cry
when you get up on the stand, right?
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Yeah.
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I mean...
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Here I am telling you,
you're the actor and the screenwriter.
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Not that you're acting...
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No. I know what you mean.
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I just mean with, like,
the lemon, the cinnamon.
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It's okay to, like,
get emotional or whatever.
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Lyle, I've got this.
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You'll bring us home today.
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Please state your name.
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Erik Galen Menendez. M-E-N-E-N-D-E-Z.
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Mr. Menendez, you're aware of
the idiosyncrasies with that microphone?
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What?
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If you're too close, it pops.
If you're too far away, we can't hear you.
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Yes, that's... that's right.
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Okay. So if you could just put yourself
at a middle distance.
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Okay.
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I think you need to come in.
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- Okay. That's too close, Erik.
- Okay.
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- Just...
- Okay.
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Okay. Just right there.
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Good.
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Come on, Erik. Let's go.
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I just... I felt like I wasn't important.
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You're popping the mic.
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I figured he'd punish me in some way...
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...because when...
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Erik, you need to sit back.
You're popping the mic.
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She was recording my calls...
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- ...and she tapped my phone because...
- Back up from the mic.
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She tapped...
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She tapped my phone.
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Well, she would put a... she used to put...
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- The microphone's too low. That's why.
- Okay.
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Deputy Wolf, can we find a position
for that mic?
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Can you just sit back in the chair?
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Sit back.
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Just try to keep it there.
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Okay?
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Okay. Go on.
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There was Tupperware in the closet.
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He's fucking this up.
He looks like a fucking psycho.
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In the middle between what and what?
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In between my bedroom
and my parents' bedroom.
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Sit back from the mic.
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Just back up from the mic.
Just like that. Just back up.
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You need to sit back
'cause you're popping the mic.
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So just put your back
against the back of the chair.
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Leave it there. Okay?
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And you were 11?
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I was 11.
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The reason you're having trouble is
you're not facing it.
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You need to face the mic.
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Okay. I know. I...
I need to use the restroom.
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I need a break.
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Okay. We'll take a recess.
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What do you believe
was the originating cause
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of you and your brother
ultimately shooting your parents?
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Um...
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Me telling...
246
00:14:38,878 --> 00:14:39,920
You telling what?
247
00:14:40,004 --> 00:14:41,797
Uh...
248
00:14:42,798 --> 00:14:45,009
Me telling Lyle that, uh...
249
00:14:46,468 --> 00:14:47,803
Is you telling Lyle what?
250
00:14:47,887 --> 00:14:48,887
My dad...
251
00:14:52,433 --> 00:14:53,893
My...
252
00:14:55,352 --> 00:14:56,604
My... My, uh...
253
00:14:57,688 --> 00:14:59,773
Okay. It was you telling Lyle what?
254
00:15:01,859 --> 00:15:03,611
My dad...
255
00:15:07,656 --> 00:15:09,825
My...
256
00:15:09,909 --> 00:15:11,660
- Can you answer the question?
- Yes.
257
00:15:12,912 --> 00:15:15,456
My dad... My dad had been molesting me.
258
00:15:16,999 --> 00:15:20,127
And did you want something
from your brother?
259
00:15:20,210 --> 00:15:21,712
Is that why you told him?
260
00:15:25,466 --> 00:15:26,967
I just wanted it to stop.
261
00:15:31,013 --> 00:15:33,891
Were there different kinds
of molestation, Erik?
262
00:15:34,767 --> 00:15:36,143
- And...
- Yes. Yes.
263
00:15:36,226 --> 00:15:39,813
And would you tell us,
what were the names you gave?
264
00:15:41,023 --> 00:15:42,691
Uh... Knees.
265
00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:45,360
Knees?
266
00:15:45,861 --> 00:15:48,197
- That was one kind?
- Yes.
267
00:15:48,989 --> 00:15:51,241
Okay. What was another type?
268
00:15:51,325 --> 00:15:53,452
Um... Nice sex.
269
00:15:53,535 --> 00:15:54,578
Into the mic.
270
00:15:54,662 --> 00:15:55,871
Nice sex.
271
00:15:56,664 --> 00:15:58,165
What was another kind?
272
00:15:58,248 --> 00:15:59,291
Um...
273
00:16:02,753 --> 00:16:04,964
Okay. What was another type?
274
00:16:09,134 --> 00:16:10,719
Um...
275
00:16:11,470 --> 00:16:14,390
Rough sex.
276
00:16:19,979 --> 00:16:21,689
Mr. Menendez,
277
00:16:22,272 --> 00:16:26,860
after you and your brother
shot your parents,
278
00:16:26,944 --> 00:16:28,779
you did a lot of lying.
279
00:16:28,862 --> 00:16:30,447
Objection. Argumentative.
280
00:16:30,531 --> 00:16:31,615
Overruled.
281
00:16:31,699 --> 00:16:35,536
You lied. You lied to, uh, reporters.
282
00:16:35,619 --> 00:16:37,663
You lied to family members.
283
00:16:37,746 --> 00:16:39,748
You lied to detectives.
284
00:16:39,832 --> 00:16:42,167
But now, you're telling the truth.
285
00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:43,711
Is that a question?
286
00:16:44,503 --> 00:16:46,672
- Are you telling the truth now?
- Yes.
287
00:16:46,755 --> 00:16:48,090
- About everything.
- Yes.
288
00:16:48,173 --> 00:16:49,925
- You're not lying?
- No.
289
00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:51,635
- About anything.
- No.
290
00:16:51,719 --> 00:16:56,724
Great. And did you truly go
to the Santa Monica Big 5
291
00:16:56,807 --> 00:17:00,519
on, uh, the morning of August 18th
to buy handguns?
292
00:17:00,602 --> 00:17:02,771
Yes, yes. Without a doubt, I did.
293
00:17:03,439 --> 00:17:05,941
And, uh, you and Lyle
looked in the case,
294
00:17:06,025 --> 00:17:09,194
and then you were told you couldn't leave
the store with the handguns
295
00:17:09,278 --> 00:17:12,448
because there was a 15-day wait.
Is that right?
296
00:17:12,531 --> 00:17:13,531
Yes.
297
00:17:14,491 --> 00:17:20,956
Now, Mr. Menendez, did you know that
Big 5 stopped carrying handguns in 1986?
298
00:17:25,878 --> 00:17:27,588
No, I do not know that.
299
00:17:29,339 --> 00:17:30,841
Oh. Okay.
300
00:17:31,467 --> 00:17:33,844
- Mrs. Bozanich, there were guns there.
- Uh-huh.
301
00:17:33,927 --> 00:17:36,013
And we did look at them.
302
00:17:36,096 --> 00:17:40,059
And the guy said that we could not leave
the store with them. So, I... I...
303
00:17:45,022 --> 00:17:48,233
Now, this all happened in 1989?
304
00:17:48,317 --> 00:17:49,693
Yeah. Yes.
305
00:17:49,777 --> 00:17:53,697
Uh-huh. Now, um, Mr. Menendez,
306
00:17:53,781 --> 00:17:58,702
you have lied in the past,
but you're not lying now?
307
00:18:00,579 --> 00:18:01,579
No.
308
00:18:03,082 --> 00:18:04,082
Okay.
309
00:18:04,583 --> 00:18:05,876
No further questions.
310
00:18:07,169 --> 00:18:08,295
Why'd you say that?
311
00:18:10,130 --> 00:18:11,130
Hmm?
312
00:18:11,715 --> 00:18:14,051
Why'd you say we tried
to buy a gun at Big 5?
313
00:18:14,134 --> 00:18:18,097
Lyle, I told you
because that's what I remembered.
314
00:18:18,180 --> 00:18:19,348
I was telling the truth.
315
00:18:19,431 --> 00:18:24,478
No, we tried to buy fucking handguns
at a gun store on Sepulveda in West LA.
316
00:18:24,561 --> 00:18:29,566
The Big 5 in Santa Monica sold BB guns
right next to the fucking fishing rods.
317
00:18:29,650 --> 00:18:32,194
That's why we had to drive down
to San Diego, you fuck.
318
00:18:32,277 --> 00:18:34,321
Okay, well, I'm so sorry, Lyle.
319
00:18:34,404 --> 00:18:38,242
I wasn't looking at a fucking map.
I didn't have a Thomas Guide in my lap.
320
00:18:38,325 --> 00:18:40,685
I went there and gave
the performance of a fucking lifetime.
321
00:18:40,744 --> 00:18:42,204
You go and they catch you in a lie.
322
00:18:42,287 --> 00:18:43,455
I wasn't lying.
323
00:18:43,539 --> 00:18:45,165
How can you say that?
324
00:18:45,249 --> 00:18:47,000
I was up there for hours.
325
00:18:47,084 --> 00:18:50,337
You looked like a psycho. You looked
like you wanted to fucking kill somebody.
326
00:18:50,420 --> 00:18:51,964
Yeah, because of that microphone.
327
00:18:52,047 --> 00:18:54,167
It's an inanimate object.
Why are you fucking with it?
328
00:18:54,216 --> 00:18:56,093
Leaning in and leaning out.
Just sit still.
329
00:18:56,176 --> 00:18:59,138
Sit in one fucking spot.
Answer the questions like we practiced.
330
00:18:59,221 --> 00:19:01,098
I will not let you blame me for this.
331
00:19:01,181 --> 00:19:03,392
This is not my fault. You did this.
332
00:19:03,475 --> 00:19:06,353
You made me do this.
This whole thing. It was your idea.
333
00:19:13,610 --> 00:19:15,112
You didn't just say that.
334
00:19:17,030 --> 00:19:18,030
I did this?
335
00:19:19,074 --> 00:19:20,074
Me?
336
00:19:20,868 --> 00:19:23,453
You're the one that's obsessed
with Billionaire Boys Club.
337
00:19:23,537 --> 00:19:27,374
You're the one who wrote a screenplay
about murdering your parents.
338
00:19:27,457 --> 00:19:29,960
Which, I'm sorry,
at the risk of repeating myself,
339
00:19:30,043 --> 00:19:33,005
what in the fuck kind
of lame-ass title is Friends?
340
00:19:33,088 --> 00:19:35,632
Who's gonna watch
something called Friends, Erik?
341
00:19:35,716 --> 00:19:38,635
How fucking dare you, you piece of shit!
342
00:19:38,719 --> 00:19:42,181
I could've gone up on that witness stand
and I could've said this all happened
343
00:19:42,264 --> 00:19:44,558
because Mom and Dad
were recording your phone calls
344
00:19:44,641 --> 00:19:46,935
and found you saying a bunch of gay shit.
345
00:19:47,019 --> 00:19:49,354
They found out you and Craig Signorelli
346
00:19:49,438 --> 00:19:51,440
were gobbling each other's dongs
347
00:19:51,523 --> 00:19:54,318
and a bunch of other fucking unholy shit.
348
00:19:54,902 --> 00:19:57,571
Could've said you came to me
and you fucking begged me
349
00:19:57,654 --> 00:19:59,198
to help you do something about it.
350
00:19:59,281 --> 00:20:02,034
- I'm not gay, Lyle.
- Yeah, well, you fucked us.
351
00:20:05,287 --> 00:20:06,580
You made this happen.
352
00:20:07,497 --> 00:20:08,707
This is your fault.
353
00:20:15,881 --> 00:20:16,881
Really?
354
00:20:17,466 --> 00:20:21,094
Says the guy who blew our dad's head off
and shot our mom in the face.
355
00:20:22,346 --> 00:20:24,890
Erik, let's not forget
what they did to us, okay?
356
00:20:27,017 --> 00:20:28,852
They got exactly what they deserved.
357
00:20:44,159 --> 00:20:46,495
The delivery went great. Easy.
358
00:20:47,162 --> 00:20:48,372
And he's healthy?
359
00:20:48,455 --> 00:20:49,665
Your son is perfect.
360
00:20:49,748 --> 00:20:52,000
Healthy. Seven pounds, five ounces.
361
00:20:52,501 --> 00:20:53,919
Would you like to hold him?
362
00:20:58,090 --> 00:20:59,091
Hi.
363
00:21:05,555 --> 00:21:07,057
Kirk Cameron's a good actor.
364
00:21:08,141 --> 00:21:11,395
He's just not sexy. You know?
365
00:21:12,145 --> 00:21:14,231
Like, Lyle Menendez has sex appeal.
366
00:21:14,815 --> 00:21:15,899
Check this out.
367
00:21:18,277 --> 00:21:19,277
You know who this is?
368
00:21:19,736 --> 00:21:22,072
- Timber Dawn.
- That's my girlfriend.
369
00:21:22,155 --> 00:21:23,448
What? Fuck you.
370
00:21:23,532 --> 00:21:26,285
- No fucking way.
- Swear to God. I'll show you the letters.
371
00:21:37,713 --> 00:21:39,798
I'm getting tired
of these aftershocks.
372
00:21:39,881 --> 00:21:42,801
Gonna be over soon.
They're getting further and further apart.
373
00:21:44,428 --> 00:21:46,680
- Yeah.
- All right, you ready?
374
00:21:50,809 --> 00:21:52,019
Hey, sweetheart.
375
00:21:52,519 --> 00:21:53,770
Congratulations.
376
00:21:54,771 --> 00:21:55,981
How's the new baby?
377
00:21:58,734 --> 00:22:01,111
He's beautiful.
378
00:22:05,115 --> 00:22:07,200
But today is about you.
379
00:22:09,828 --> 00:22:11,913
Let's go get you out of here, okay?
380
00:22:16,418 --> 00:22:21,214
The burden of proof in this case
is on the prosecution.
381
00:22:21,882 --> 00:22:24,259
Beyond a reasonable doubt.
382
00:22:24,926 --> 00:22:28,555
Now, you're going to be instructed
on imperfect self-defense,
383
00:22:28,638 --> 00:22:34,478
which means that when somebody
has an honest and in-good-faith belief
384
00:22:34,561 --> 00:22:37,731
that they are in danger
and they defend themselves,
385
00:22:37,814 --> 00:22:40,901
they cannot be convicted
of more than manslaughter.
386
00:22:41,610 --> 00:22:45,322
Now, the prosecution is gonna say
that this was about money.
387
00:22:46,156 --> 00:22:49,701
But you heard from Marta Cano that
the boys knew they were out of the will.
388
00:22:49,785 --> 00:22:53,455
And they knew they weren't getting
that $5 million life insurance policy
389
00:22:53,538 --> 00:22:55,624
because Jose wouldn't take the physical.
390
00:22:55,707 --> 00:23:00,337
So if they had waited two weeks,
they would have gotten that $5 million.
391
00:23:00,420 --> 00:23:04,049
So why not just wait
if it was all about the money?
392
00:23:05,926 --> 00:23:09,805
The prosecution is gonna point
to the fact that they bought shotguns.
393
00:23:09,888 --> 00:23:13,642
Does that mean they were planning
to shoot their parents?
394
00:23:13,725 --> 00:23:14,976
Let me ask you this.
395
00:23:15,060 --> 00:23:18,647
If you live in a neighborhood
and there's been a lot of burglaries
396
00:23:18,730 --> 00:23:22,526
and you buy a gun,
are you planning to kill?
397
00:23:22,609 --> 00:23:25,195
No. You're defending yourself.
398
00:23:26,071 --> 00:23:28,323
If they were planning to kill,
399
00:23:28,407 --> 00:23:30,992
why wouldn't they just wait two weeks
for handguns?
400
00:23:31,076 --> 00:23:35,122
Why buy two great booming shotguns?
401
00:23:36,581 --> 00:23:40,377
The prosecution is hoping that you're
going to forget about Cousin Andy,
402
00:23:41,002 --> 00:23:45,382
who Erik told when he was 12,
how his father massaged his penis
403
00:23:46,425 --> 00:23:47,801
and how it hurt.
404
00:23:48,468 --> 00:23:52,347
And he had to ask him if that was normal.
405
00:23:52,431 --> 00:23:54,015
Or how about Cousin Al,
406
00:23:54,099 --> 00:23:58,186
who said that Jose
made Erik and Lyle shower together.
407
00:23:58,270 --> 00:24:00,689
How he beat them black and blue.
408
00:24:00,772 --> 00:24:03,608
How when the abuse started
at the age of six,
409
00:24:03,692 --> 00:24:09,072
Erik went from being a totally happy kid
to completely withdrawn.
410
00:24:09,156 --> 00:24:10,532
Or Cousin Diane,
411
00:24:10,615 --> 00:24:13,743
who said that Erik and Lyle
would have to fight for the privilege
412
00:24:13,827 --> 00:24:16,538
of not having to sleep with their mother.
413
00:24:16,621 --> 00:24:20,459
Or Coach Wadlington,
who testified, and I quote,
414
00:24:20,542 --> 00:24:23,712
"Jose Menendez was the worst parent
415
00:24:23,795 --> 00:24:27,549
and the harshest person he had ever met."
416
00:24:29,342 --> 00:24:33,763
"Erik and Lyle,
they win us glory and bring us fame,
417
00:24:33,847 --> 00:24:35,807
and they'll be
our perfect little lab rats."
418
00:24:36,391 --> 00:24:41,855
Pins and tacks like this into his thigh
419
00:24:41,938 --> 00:24:45,150
and scraped along his penis.
420
00:24:45,233 --> 00:24:48,195
It's ironic that Jose and Kitty
should die under the trophy case
421
00:24:48,278 --> 00:24:51,531
because that's all
those boys were to them. Trophies.
422
00:24:51,615 --> 00:24:53,575
They did not talk in this family.
423
00:24:53,658 --> 00:24:58,705
Perverted sexual experiments
and serious abusers
424
00:24:58,788 --> 00:25:01,666
are very possessive of their experiments.
425
00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:04,961
Well, the problem is that children that
have been abused the way these two were,
426
00:25:05,045 --> 00:25:09,341
they don't always turn out
to be such perfect little products.
427
00:25:09,424 --> 00:25:11,760
We don't respect children very much
in this country.
428
00:25:12,260 --> 00:25:15,680
We think they lie. We think they make
things up. We think they fantasize.
429
00:25:15,764 --> 00:25:19,726
Well, no wonder children who were abused
have a hard time trusting adults.
430
00:25:19,809 --> 00:25:25,440
If my clients' names
were Lila and Erika Menendez,
431
00:25:25,524 --> 00:25:27,400
would it make any difference to you?
432
00:25:27,484 --> 00:25:29,319
Because if it would, it shouldn't.
433
00:25:29,945 --> 00:25:34,449
Boys are not supposed to be the victims,
but sometimes they are.
434
00:25:34,991 --> 00:25:39,204
And you must not...
you must not blame the victim.
435
00:25:39,704 --> 00:25:43,959
I realize I've given you
a long closing argument.
436
00:25:46,878 --> 00:25:52,842
And that is because the minute
I am finished, Erik is out of my hands.
437
00:25:55,845 --> 00:25:58,306
And I don't want to let him go.
438
00:26:01,101 --> 00:26:04,312
Just like Jill doesn't want
to let go of Lyle.
439
00:26:07,899 --> 00:26:10,652
You know, people have asked me...
440
00:26:12,737 --> 00:26:15,282
what I want out of all of this.
441
00:26:15,365 --> 00:26:16,449
And...
442
00:26:17,450 --> 00:26:21,538
my answer is not necessarily a legal one.
443
00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:28,169
I want to see Erik
walking down the street.
444
00:26:30,380 --> 00:26:31,423
No handcuffs.
445
00:26:32,757 --> 00:26:33,883
No shackles.
446
00:26:36,303 --> 00:26:37,304
Just walking.
447
00:26:39,806 --> 00:26:41,391
Free from all of this.
448
00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:47,105
Whatever happens now
449
00:26:48,356 --> 00:26:49,649
depends on you.
450
00:26:54,362 --> 00:26:56,239
You've been a remarkable jury.
451
00:26:57,616 --> 00:26:58,617
And I thank you.
452
00:27:01,953 --> 00:27:03,371
Fucking got this, dude.
453
00:27:04,331 --> 00:27:05,332
Done.
454
00:27:06,166 --> 00:27:10,462
The, uh, Cuban chick and the Black chick,
they're, like, looking at each other?
455
00:27:10,545 --> 00:27:12,797
There's no way they say "guilty."
456
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,052
Yeah, I mean...
457
00:27:18,303 --> 00:27:19,303
I don't know.
458
00:27:20,347 --> 00:27:23,099
Could be a mistrial.
We'd have to do the whole thing again.
459
00:27:23,183 --> 00:27:25,060
Erik, it's too expensive.
460
00:27:25,143 --> 00:27:28,188
This trial cost, what,
millions of taxpayer dollars?
461
00:27:28,271 --> 00:27:31,524
And for what? To try to convict
two people who, like, America loves?
462
00:27:31,608 --> 00:27:32,608
Fuck off.
463
00:27:33,610 --> 00:27:37,280
People aren't gonna let them come for us
again. People will flip the fuck out.
464
00:27:43,161 --> 00:27:44,161
I don't know.
465
00:27:44,871 --> 00:27:47,040
Just kind of feels like...
466
00:27:47,123 --> 00:27:48,123
Like what?
467
00:28:01,846 --> 00:28:03,223
Like something shifted.
468
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,395
The whole city's on edge.
469
00:28:08,478 --> 00:28:13,441
First the riots, then the earthquake,
now waiting on this verdict.
470
00:28:15,902 --> 00:28:17,904
Uh-oh. Oh!
471
00:28:17,987 --> 00:28:21,866
You know who's terrified
of the earthquakes?
472
00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:23,410
Erik Menendez.
473
00:28:23,493 --> 00:28:26,871
In fact, he's on suicide watch.
474
00:28:26,955 --> 00:28:28,206
Told you! I can't do that.
475
00:28:28,957 --> 00:28:32,001
Completely losing it,
evidently.
476
00:28:34,170 --> 00:28:40,969
He just writes all night long
some kind of, uh, science fiction novel.
477
00:28:41,052 --> 00:28:44,723
"And once again, he had escaped safely
through the warlock's portal
478
00:28:44,806 --> 00:28:46,891
and back to the 17th dimension."
479
00:28:47,892 --> 00:28:49,644
He's painting, too.
480
00:28:52,439 --> 00:28:53,439
And guess what?
481
00:28:55,316 --> 00:28:56,359
He's good.
482
00:28:56,443 --> 00:28:59,821
A little handier with a shotgun
than most artists I know.
483
00:28:59,904 --> 00:29:02,073
Oh, and here's the best part.
484
00:29:02,866 --> 00:29:04,868
Erik's got a girlfriend.
485
00:29:04,951 --> 00:29:06,828
"I'm not sure how it would work."
486
00:29:06,911 --> 00:29:11,416
"I'm not sure how these feelings have
taken me over in the way that they have."
487
00:29:11,499 --> 00:29:13,626
"But I do know that they are genuine."
488
00:29:13,710 --> 00:29:16,171
"I feel like
I've known you forever, Erik."
489
00:29:16,254 --> 00:29:20,592
"And that I'm going to know you
for the rest of my life. All my love."
490
00:29:20,675 --> 00:29:21,593
Tammy.
491
00:29:21,676 --> 00:29:24,220
Who are these women
who wanna date these psychopaths?
492
00:29:24,304 --> 00:29:25,555
What does she get out of it?
493
00:29:25,638 --> 00:29:30,059
Well, this one's not getting
conjugal visits, if that's what you mean.
494
00:29:30,143 --> 00:29:34,272
Which, I imagine, suits Erik just fine.
495
00:29:34,355 --> 00:29:35,982
Oh!
496
00:29:36,566 --> 00:29:38,318
Do you feel that?
497
00:29:38,943 --> 00:29:41,613
Jesus Christ, they just don't stop.
498
00:29:41,696 --> 00:29:44,032
Tim! Tim!
499
00:29:45,992 --> 00:29:47,619
What? It's okay. It's okay.
500
00:29:48,203 --> 00:29:49,203
We're okay.
501
00:29:49,537 --> 00:29:50,537
Just breathe.
502
00:29:50,580 --> 00:29:52,380
Everything's fine.
503
00:29:53,249 --> 00:29:54,375
Ugh.
504
00:29:57,754 --> 00:30:00,465
My nerves are just shot.
505
00:30:01,424 --> 00:30:02,634
I'm so raw.
506
00:30:02,717 --> 00:30:05,553
I mean, that wasn't even a big one.
Was it?
507
00:30:05,637 --> 00:30:06,637
It was not.
508
00:30:12,977 --> 00:30:15,313
I forgot how helpless they are.
509
00:30:17,899 --> 00:30:20,485
They just can't relax. It's like...
510
00:30:22,695 --> 00:30:24,614
You never know what's coming.
511
00:30:25,114 --> 00:30:26,241
Yeah, I know.
512
00:30:28,076 --> 00:30:30,703
But the thing that's coming
that you're worried about...
513
00:30:31,412 --> 00:30:33,206
isn't another earthquake.
514
00:30:37,544 --> 00:30:42,674
I do think Lyle was a genius
on the witness stand.
515
00:30:42,757 --> 00:30:44,717
Maybe an evil genius.
516
00:30:45,218 --> 00:30:47,637
But I can't say the same about Erik.
517
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,681
I watched that jury,
518
00:30:49,764 --> 00:30:52,600
and I don't think he connected with them.
519
00:30:52,684 --> 00:30:54,519
And how about that Judalon?
520
00:30:54,602 --> 00:30:56,855
Hey, Mr. Dunne? Mr. Dunne.
521
00:30:57,647 --> 00:30:59,440
Hi. Hi.
522
00:31:00,233 --> 00:31:01,276
Judalon Smyth.
523
00:31:01,359 --> 00:31:02,652
Hi.
524
00:31:02,735 --> 00:31:06,489
So, look. Demi got her cover.
525
00:31:06,573 --> 00:31:09,492
And Michelle Pfeiffer got hers.
And look, I get it. They're stars.
526
00:31:09,576 --> 00:31:10,576
Wait. Eh...
527
00:31:11,077 --> 00:31:13,621
You mean the cover of Vanity Fair?
528
00:31:13,705 --> 00:31:17,542
Well, I guess what I'm wondering is,
do you have Graydon Carter's direct line?
529
00:31:17,625 --> 00:31:21,713
Because no matter how many times I call,
I get the same bitch at the front desk.
530
00:31:22,922 --> 00:31:24,173
If you had to guess.
531
00:31:24,257 --> 00:31:28,177
First degree voluntary manslaughter...
532
00:31:28,261 --> 00:31:29,804
Do they just get off entirely?
533
00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:38,062
I honestly do not know.
534
00:31:39,939 --> 00:31:42,442
But this I do know...
535
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,155
If that jury lets them go free,
536
00:31:48,781 --> 00:31:53,536
those two dead souls will walk the earth...
537
00:31:56,289 --> 00:31:57,498
and haunt them.
538
00:32:01,336 --> 00:32:03,296
Karma's gonna come for them.
539
00:32:03,838 --> 00:32:04,923
All rise.
540
00:32:10,219 --> 00:32:11,220
Thank you.
541
00:32:27,654 --> 00:32:30,281
After much deliberation,
542
00:32:30,907 --> 00:32:35,870
{\an8}this jury unfortunately remains deadlocked
and unable to reach a verdict.
543
00:32:36,913 --> 00:32:38,581
This is what we call a hung jury.
544
00:32:40,541 --> 00:32:44,754
So I'm afraid
I'm going to declare a mistrial.
545
00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:48,466
Please, everybody,
just hang on, please.
546
00:32:51,844 --> 00:32:54,097
Hang on, please. Come on, folks.
547
00:32:54,180 --> 00:32:56,241
- This is a good thing, though. Right?
- Order, please.
548
00:32:56,265 --> 00:32:57,826
This is a good thing?
549
00:32:57,850 --> 00:33:00,812
So if we're not guilty, then... what?
550
00:33:00,895 --> 00:33:04,440
- Let's talk about it later.
- Yeah, but how does this happen?
551
00:33:05,066 --> 00:33:07,735
Blame the men.
552
00:33:14,993 --> 00:33:16,703
Order, please.
553
00:33:19,330 --> 00:33:20,957
As you know,
554
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,711
we are going to have to
do this all over again.
555
00:33:25,378 --> 00:33:28,423
And you ladies, my heroes...
556
00:33:29,674 --> 00:33:34,721
...you are the ones that came around
to believe Erik was either not guilty
557
00:33:35,388 --> 00:33:37,181
or guilty of manslaughter.
558
00:33:37,265 --> 00:33:39,100
So I want to pick your brains a little.
559
00:33:39,183 --> 00:33:43,646
What was it? What did we miss?
560
00:33:44,439 --> 00:33:49,819
What did those men hear
that just made it so they would not budge?
561
00:33:49,902 --> 00:33:52,405
And what do you think they needed to hear?
562
00:33:54,824 --> 00:34:00,580
Well, I felt, towards the end,
like Erik and Lyle were my sons.
563
00:34:01,414 --> 00:34:06,085
And I just think, you know,
that, um, maternal instinct,
564
00:34:06,711 --> 00:34:08,421
maybe men just don't have it.
565
00:34:08,504 --> 00:34:12,258
I just don't think
you would kill your parents like that
566
00:34:12,341 --> 00:34:14,135
unless something bad happened.
567
00:34:14,218 --> 00:34:17,305
I mean, I don't think this.
I think they think it.
568
00:34:17,388 --> 00:34:21,851
I think they think that
sexual abuse doesn't happen to boys.
569
00:34:23,561 --> 00:34:24,771
Okay. What else?
570
00:34:26,856 --> 00:34:28,483
Were we... I'm sorry.
571
00:34:29,108 --> 00:34:31,819
You said we... Could we call him?
572
00:34:33,029 --> 00:34:36,240
Hi, Erik. It's your gals.
573
00:34:36,324 --> 00:34:37,492
Hi, Erik.
574
00:34:37,575 --> 00:34:38,618
We just wanted to say...
575
00:34:38,701 --> 00:34:41,261
My name is Tina, by the way.
It's so nice to meet you officially,
576
00:34:41,287 --> 00:34:42,705
even though I feel like I know you.
577
00:34:42,789 --> 00:34:45,750
But I just wanted to say
that we're all really, really sorry.
578
00:34:45,833 --> 00:34:47,752
And we don't feel
like justice was served here.
579
00:34:47,835 --> 00:34:49,212
Yeah, that's right.
580
00:34:50,379 --> 00:34:51,881
Erik, did you hear that?
581
00:34:56,844 --> 00:34:58,404
Leslie, can I just talk to you, please?
582
00:35:01,182 --> 00:35:02,182
Sure.
583
00:35:03,059 --> 00:35:04,060
One sec.
584
00:35:04,685 --> 00:35:06,729
Hi. How you doing?
585
00:35:07,271 --> 00:35:09,607
You sound so down.
586
00:35:12,443 --> 00:35:13,277
Yeah.
587
00:35:13,361 --> 00:35:15,071
I... I am.
588
00:35:15,154 --> 00:35:17,448
Well, keep your spirits up, okay?
589
00:35:17,532 --> 00:35:19,826
We are gonna win this. I promise you.
590
00:35:20,827 --> 00:35:22,495
No, you can't promise that.
591
00:35:25,289 --> 00:35:26,582
Oh, Erik.
592
00:35:27,458 --> 00:35:30,336
Something's... different.
593
00:35:31,462 --> 00:35:32,463
You know?
594
00:35:32,964 --> 00:35:37,385
Like in the media,
they've all turned against us. You know?
595
00:35:39,679 --> 00:35:41,764
I'm getting all this hate mail now.
596
00:35:43,057 --> 00:35:44,600
That never used to happen.
597
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:47,311
So...
598
00:35:50,356 --> 00:35:51,356
I don't know.
599
00:35:51,858 --> 00:35:55,528
Just feels like... something's different.
600
00:35:57,446 --> 00:35:59,574
I don't know what it is, but, uh...
601
00:36:02,618 --> 00:36:06,497
...just kinda seems
like it's... it's all over.
602
00:36:10,084 --> 00:36:12,670
No. I'm not gonna let you
get down like that, okay?
603
00:36:12,753 --> 00:36:14,338
I'm not. We're gonna win this.
604
00:36:14,422 --> 00:36:16,591
No, it's okay. I'll talk to you later.
605
00:36:22,054 --> 00:36:24,974
Thank you. Get home safe, everybody.
606
00:36:25,641 --> 00:36:27,727
- Thank you. Bye.
- Bye.
607
00:36:29,979 --> 00:36:32,190
Actually, Ms. Abramson,
608
00:36:32,815 --> 00:36:33,815
um...
609
00:36:34,317 --> 00:36:39,322
if you really do want to know what
the issue was, or one of the issues...
610
00:36:39,906 --> 00:36:42,408
I think the other ladies didn't wanna say.
611
00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:45,244
Well, please, tell me.
612
00:36:45,328 --> 00:36:48,206
Uh, well, the big thing with the men...
613
00:36:48,706 --> 00:36:52,752
um, I mean, they really didn't like
Erik or Lyle, that's true.
614
00:36:53,544 --> 00:36:57,256
But you were the thing.
615
00:36:58,257 --> 00:37:00,051
I... I mean, for what it's worth,
616
00:37:00,801 --> 00:37:02,094
they didn't like you.
617
00:37:07,683 --> 00:37:08,517
Oh.
618
00:37:10,269 --> 00:37:12,897
Well... Thank you
for telling me that. It's fine.
619
00:37:12,980 --> 00:37:14,023
Oh, of course.
620
00:37:14,649 --> 00:37:15,691
Um...
621
00:37:15,775 --> 00:37:16,901
thank you again.
622
00:37:22,156 --> 00:37:24,951
We just have some bad news.
623
00:37:26,077 --> 00:37:27,954
A lot... of it.
624
00:37:28,037 --> 00:37:29,664
Okay.
625
00:37:30,331 --> 00:37:32,625
I don't know another way to put it. Um...
626
00:37:33,876 --> 00:37:37,046
The easiest place to start is
there's no money.
627
00:37:40,299 --> 00:37:41,968
I'm not really worried about money.
628
00:37:42,051 --> 00:37:44,762
You should be because there's none of it.
629
00:37:44,845 --> 00:37:47,390
And unless Leslie and I
start working pro bono...
630
00:37:47,473 --> 00:37:48,391
There is money.
631
00:37:48,474 --> 00:37:51,686
- Trust me. There is not.
- There's gonna be money.
632
00:37:52,687 --> 00:37:55,147
So let's just
get through this,
633
00:37:55,231 --> 00:37:58,901
and what I'd like you to do
is keep a log of your hours,
634
00:37:58,985 --> 00:38:00,486
and then we will pay you.
635
00:38:03,406 --> 00:38:04,406
I will pay you.
636
00:38:10,162 --> 00:38:12,248
Listen, there's gonna be a book.
637
00:38:12,832 --> 00:38:14,125
I'm writing a book.
638
00:38:14,750 --> 00:38:16,627
And my friend Norma is helping me,
639
00:38:16,711 --> 00:38:20,631
although she's really more of
kinda like a secretary type position.
640
00:38:20,715 --> 00:38:25,177
But she is just completely
obsessed with me.
641
00:38:25,261 --> 00:38:27,221
She's definitely in love with me.
642
00:38:27,930 --> 00:38:29,473
It's really quite special.
643
00:38:30,141 --> 00:38:32,893
Uh... And, yeah, she's helping me write it.
644
00:38:34,687 --> 00:38:36,480
She's writing the book, Lyle.
645
00:38:37,982 --> 00:38:41,444
We're both working on it,
but yeah, it is my book.
646
00:38:41,527 --> 00:38:45,281
No, I mean, the book's coming out.
647
00:38:46,657 --> 00:38:49,118
Because you let her record you.
648
00:38:51,037 --> 00:38:55,624
So, now she's releasing the recordings.
649
00:38:57,293 --> 00:38:58,293
That's the book.
650
00:39:01,380 --> 00:39:02,506
No, it isn't.
651
00:39:03,132 --> 00:39:07,303
Lyle, you told her everything.
652
00:39:10,097 --> 00:39:14,143
"I told you I can move a jury
because I've been practicing crying."
653
00:39:14,894 --> 00:39:17,605
"And I'm getting so good at crying."
654
00:39:19,106 --> 00:39:21,192
"We need to come up with a story
about Oziel
655
00:39:21,275 --> 00:39:23,861
and why we didn't tell him
about the sex stuff."
656
00:39:23,944 --> 00:39:27,239
"Or we could say he's blackmailing us."
657
00:39:28,783 --> 00:39:31,285
"I obviously overreacted that night."
658
00:39:31,786 --> 00:39:35,831
"Referring to the night of the murders."
659
00:39:35,915 --> 00:39:41,170
Then she says, "Lyle told me
about all the types of child abuse
660
00:39:41,253 --> 00:39:43,756
he planned to use in the trial."
661
00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:46,050
That is a fucking lie!
That is a fucking lie, Jill!
662
00:39:46,133 --> 00:39:47,468
I never fucking said that.
663
00:39:47,551 --> 00:39:49,053
She recorded you!
664
00:39:52,181 --> 00:39:55,059
- Do you know what this means?
- No.
665
00:39:57,311 --> 00:39:59,563
It means you can be cross-examined
666
00:39:59,647 --> 00:40:02,650
about everything that you said
if you testify.
667
00:40:07,696 --> 00:40:08,697
Okay.
668
00:40:09,615 --> 00:40:11,909
- So...
- So you can't testify.
669
00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:13,828
Not in the second trial.
670
00:40:16,956 --> 00:40:20,334
Lyle, this guts our defense.
671
00:40:26,549 --> 00:40:29,927
So, you are going to have to rely on Erik.
672
00:40:30,010 --> 00:40:31,137
What?
673
00:40:31,220 --> 00:40:32,888
No. No. No.
674
00:40:33,597 --> 00:40:34,974
Lyle, um...
675
00:40:38,602 --> 00:40:42,148
I no longer feel like I can defend you.
676
00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:46,861
And I want to help you find
a good public defender.
677
00:40:47,445 --> 00:40:50,156
But I will not be working
on your second trial.
678
00:40:52,241 --> 00:40:53,367
I am sorry.
679
00:40:54,827 --> 00:40:56,120
Fuck.
680
00:40:56,203 --> 00:40:58,456
According to the latest reports,
they are broke.
681
00:40:58,539 --> 00:41:00,659
You know, so I said to myself...
682
00:41:00,708 --> 00:41:04,670
I said, "Would people really...
Would people really donate money
683
00:41:04,753 --> 00:41:06,005
to the Menendez brothers?
684
00:41:06,088 --> 00:41:07,965
Donate to the Menendez brothers' case?
685
00:41:08,048 --> 00:41:09,383
**** the Menendez brothers.
686
00:41:09,467 --> 00:41:11,969
"**** the Menendez brothers?"
What kind of talk is that?
687
00:41:13,762 --> 00:41:15,431
So, it's all on you now.
688
00:41:15,514 --> 00:41:19,810
But, you know, in a way,
I think that makes our lives simpler.
689
00:41:19,894 --> 00:41:22,021
You've always been more sympathetic.
690
00:41:22,980 --> 00:41:24,315
Well, that's not true.
691
00:41:24,398 --> 00:41:27,359
Yes, it is.
You're a much better witness than Lyle.
692
00:41:30,654 --> 00:41:33,824
Well, we can't argue
self-defense now, so...
693
00:41:34,909 --> 00:41:35,909
No.
694
00:41:36,827 --> 00:41:40,706
The, uh, judge...
695
00:41:41,957 --> 00:41:43,918
...doesn't want another hung jury.
696
00:41:44,001 --> 00:41:48,214
So, imperfect self-defense
is off the table.
697
00:41:49,256 --> 00:41:52,426
Well, that was the truth.
698
00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:53,802
- That's what it was.
- Okay.
699
00:41:53,886 --> 00:41:55,179
That was our whole defense.
700
00:41:55,262 --> 00:41:56,722
We'll argue something else.
701
00:41:56,805 --> 00:42:01,185
I mean, I know you don't like hearing
this, but, Erik, there is no evidence
702
00:42:01,268 --> 00:42:04,313
that you were the one
to kill your mom or your dad.
703
00:42:04,396 --> 00:42:07,650
You may have shot at them,
but it was Lyle that killed him.
704
00:42:07,733 --> 00:42:11,237
He administered the fatal blow
to the back of your dad's head.
705
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,699
And I'm just saying, he went outside to
reload while your mother was still alive.
706
00:42:15,783 --> 00:42:17,701
Do you know how much people hate you?
707
00:42:21,247 --> 00:42:23,165
No, do you know, though?
708
00:42:24,291 --> 00:42:26,877
Like, you didn't do a good job.
709
00:42:28,712 --> 00:42:31,549
You put me in glasses that I don't need.
710
00:42:32,758 --> 00:42:34,802
You put us in pastels.
711
00:42:36,929 --> 00:42:38,055
It didn't work.
712
00:42:41,183 --> 00:42:42,977
- Erik...
- None of it worked.
713
00:42:43,477 --> 00:42:47,189
And now everybody fucking hates us.
My life is over.
714
00:42:47,273 --> 00:42:49,858
- No, it isn't. It is...
- Shut the fuck up!
715
00:42:49,942 --> 00:42:52,111
Just shut your fucking mouth!
716
00:42:53,070 --> 00:42:55,072
You don't fucking know.
717
00:42:55,864 --> 00:42:57,658
You don't fucking know.
718
00:42:58,492 --> 00:43:00,035
Okay? I know.
719
00:43:01,829 --> 00:43:03,455
How... how are you gonna help me?
720
00:43:05,124 --> 00:43:06,834
How are you gonna fix this?
721
00:43:14,758 --> 00:43:15,759
You can't.
722
00:43:35,029 --> 00:43:37,990
Get up.
Cleaning the whole cell block today.
723
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,200
Why?
724
00:43:43,162 --> 00:43:44,747
We got a VIP coming in.
725
00:43:45,289 --> 00:43:48,834
OJ Simpson is in
that Ford Bronco with Al Cowlings.
726
00:43:48,917 --> 00:43:52,129
OJ, according to CHP,
has a gun to his head,
727
00:43:52,671 --> 00:43:55,424
and is saying that he wants to be driven
to his mother's.
728
00:43:55,924 --> 00:43:59,011
Again, we're on
the 405 northbound,
729
00:43:59,094 --> 00:44:01,513
and, uh, just past Manchester.
730
00:44:01,597 --> 00:44:04,642
I think he's probably
in La Tijera right now.
731
00:44:05,142 --> 00:44:08,437
Uh, Highway Patrol and the LAPD,
732
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,231
and at least a dozen police cars
733
00:44:11,315 --> 00:44:14,151
are Code 3, lights and sirens pursuing,
734
00:44:14,234 --> 00:44:18,197
or... or I should say following OJ Simpson
735
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,867
as he continues to travel
of what we would assume to be
736
00:44:21,950 --> 00:44:24,328
towards his Brentwood home.
737
00:44:28,791 --> 00:44:30,292
Can we call you Juice?
738
00:44:30,918 --> 00:44:32,461
You are the guards.
739
00:44:34,421 --> 00:44:35,964
Call me whatever you want.
740
00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:39,718
Juice is fine with me.
741
00:44:43,263 --> 00:44:44,783
Make yourself at home, okay.
742
00:44:44,848 --> 00:44:46,600
We'll let you
get situated, Juice.
743
00:44:46,684 --> 00:44:48,894
Yeah, you guys got anything to eat?
744
00:44:48,977 --> 00:44:51,177
- We'll get you something.
- Thanks, man.
745
00:44:53,482 --> 00:44:54,525
My man.
746
00:45:22,928 --> 00:45:25,055
Uh... hey, hey.
747
00:45:26,014 --> 00:45:27,014
OJ?
748
00:45:28,475 --> 00:45:30,102
- OJ?
- Yeah, who is that?
749
00:45:30,185 --> 00:45:33,605
I'm... I'm Erik. Erik Menendez.
750
00:45:34,189 --> 00:45:35,189
No shit?
751
00:45:35,524 --> 00:45:36,524
Yeah.
752
00:45:37,443 --> 00:45:39,778
- Like, one of the brothers?
- Mm-hmm.
753
00:45:39,862 --> 00:45:41,655
Your other brother in there with you?
754
00:45:42,364 --> 00:45:46,034
No, he's, um... He's in a different wing.
755
00:45:46,994 --> 00:45:50,122
Shit, man.
Y'all been in here for a while.
756
00:45:51,081 --> 00:45:53,917
Yeah, like three years.
757
00:45:55,127 --> 00:45:58,172
Um, you know, we're about to have
a whole other trial.
758
00:45:58,255 --> 00:46:01,759
I tell you what,
I'm not going to be in here long.
759
00:46:01,842 --> 00:46:04,386
Because I didn't fucking do it.
760
00:46:05,137 --> 00:46:07,598
You know? Nicole hit me.
761
00:46:08,932 --> 00:46:11,226
Do you hear what they're saying
out there about me?
762
00:46:11,310 --> 00:46:12,686
Yeah.
763
00:46:13,562 --> 00:46:14,855
Yeah, I... I did.
764
00:46:16,148 --> 00:46:19,276
I heard that, uh... Well, is this right?
765
00:46:19,359 --> 00:46:24,907
That, um, Robert Shapiro is your lawyer?
766
00:46:26,116 --> 00:46:27,116
Yeah.
767
00:46:27,618 --> 00:46:31,246
I mean, I'm getting a bunch.
You know what I'm saying.
768
00:46:31,330 --> 00:46:34,750
Yeah. But, uh, I just wanted
to tell you that, um...
769
00:46:36,752 --> 00:46:38,921
Well, he was our lawyer, too.
770
00:46:39,004 --> 00:46:41,381
And, actually, he, uh...
771
00:46:42,841 --> 00:46:46,428
Well, you should just watch out for him
772
00:46:46,512 --> 00:46:49,973
because he kind of fucked us.
773
00:46:51,934 --> 00:46:53,727
Like, I could've stayed in London.
774
00:46:54,269 --> 00:46:58,106
And I wouldn't be up
for the death penalty, probably.
775
00:46:58,190 --> 00:47:01,693
But he was the one
that told me to come home, so...
776
00:47:03,403 --> 00:47:04,780
Thanks for the advice.
777
00:47:05,906 --> 00:47:08,742
Did you see all those people
lined up on the 405?
778
00:47:08,826 --> 00:47:10,661
Like, that was crazy.
779
00:47:10,744 --> 00:47:13,163
Yeah. Folks love OJ.
780
00:47:13,247 --> 00:47:14,748
I guess it's hard not to think
781
00:47:14,832 --> 00:47:18,293
that people are gonna stop
paying attention to us,
782
00:47:18,377 --> 00:47:21,255
and just kind of pay attention to you.
783
00:47:23,048 --> 00:47:26,426
- Could I tell you one more thing?
- Yeah. Sure.
784
00:47:27,678 --> 00:47:29,763
You should consider a plea bargain.
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