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Psst.
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- That was fucking easy.
- See? I told you.
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Nice work, E.
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Yeah, well, what do they always tell us?
Just never get caught.
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But you did get caught.
And correct me if I'm wrong,
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your father had Erik
take the fall for that, right?
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Well, yeah. Um, I mean,
that wasn't my decision.
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And that's how you met Jerome Oziel?
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Yes. Part of our punishment was
that we had to start seeing a therapist.
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Lyle, I had a conversation with Erik.
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He told me some things
I wanna get your side of.
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Okay.
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Lyle, he told me you abused him sexually,
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and that your father
did the same thing to you.
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You're just, um...
you're trying to pin this all on me?
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No, no. Lyle, it's true.
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Leslie is Erik's counsel. I am yours.
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But this is just typical
in trials such as these.
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We both need to hear this story
from both of you.
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No, I know what you're doing!
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You're painting a picture of my dad
as evil, and that's just not true.
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That's not who he was. My father was
a great man. I loved him a great deal.
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I don't know if the two of you
can understand that. Maybe you can't.
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But I loved him, and he loved me.
He wanted so much for us.
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This is what no one could understand,
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is that he held us
to this higher standard, right?
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And then you two bring me in here
to talk about how fucking terrible he was,
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and... I'm just not going to do that, okay?
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He loved me.
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He loved me.
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I love my dad.
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Lyle, you shot him in the head.
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You see how that doesn't make sense?
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I see how that doesn't make sense to you.
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You don't understand who my dad was
and what he wanted from me.
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What was it he wanted?
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He wanted me to be number one.
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At what?
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At everything.
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I had to be the best at tennis.
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There you go!
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- Yes! That's my boy!
- Yes!
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I had to get the best grades.
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You think you're getting into
an Ivy League school
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with this kind of shit?
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This essay is absolutely childish
and pathetic.
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It's fucking unbelievable.
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I write the next one.
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I had to date the best girls.
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That's her! I told her
she could come over for dinner.
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No, no, no. I've heard about this girl,
and she's a bimbo and a slut.
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If this is the girl that you pointed out
yesterday, then no way.
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- Mom!
- Nuh-uh!
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That girl is not eating off
of my good china.
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She probably has AIDS.
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Mom, what the fuck are you talking about?
What the fuck are you talking about?
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Hey! Easy.
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- She's outside! She's at the fucking door!
- Sit down. No, no.
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Lyle!
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You open that door, and I swear to God,
I fucking kill you. Sit down.
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Sit down.
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Oh God. I'll tell the fucking gold digger.
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Thank you.
Get rid of her, please. Now.
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Okay. Um...
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Hello?
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Okay, Lyle is not free
to date you, sweetheart.
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Bye!
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I had to get into an Ivy League school.
He was... obsessed with this idea.
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"And I can say with confidence to you,
Board of Admissions,
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that not only am I destined for Princeton,
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I, Joseph Lyle Menendez,
am destined for greatness."
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Wow. Lyle, that's excellent.
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Really good, sweetheart.
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- It's really good, Lyle.
- Thank you.
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Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Are you talking to him or me?
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Because I wrote that.
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I mean, his essay was like, uh...
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...like written in fucking crayon.
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That's how you get into Princeton.
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That's an essay.
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- Dad, isn't that...
- What? Cheating?
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I'm going to tell you a secret. Okay?
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Every-fucking-body cheats in this world.
And you know what I say about that?
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You know how you get all this? All this.
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Lie. Cheat.
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Steal.
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But win.
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Okay?
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Never get caught.
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But you did get in... to Princeton.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Took a while.
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And I had to do a year
of community college first. But, yeah.
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Look, there's gotta be something
we can do to work this out. I'm sure.
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Well, Lyle was caught plagiarizing a
partner's psychology lab assignment. And...
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Sorry. Sorry. One sec.
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Sorry. Excuse me.
Psychology lab? What is that?
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I've never even heard of that.
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Come on. Do they...
Do they have labs in psychology?
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Really?
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They do.
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In the real world, when you go
out there and you see a psychologist,
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he never says,
"Bye, I'm off to the lab!" Come on.
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It's a little bit... It's bullshit.
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What I mean is...
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My son didn't cheat
on something important.
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Well, unfortunately,
we just don't see it that way.
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Okay, look. He cheated.
I will beat the hell out of him for it.
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- But he's not getting expelled.
- Mr. Menendez...
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No, sir. He's not getting expelled.
I swear to God. Listen.
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As a pillar of this community,
I've given so much money.
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So much fucking money year after year.
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So, at least...
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we have to work something out.
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I'm dead serious. I'm dead serious.
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I'm not moving from this chair.
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I will...
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I will piss in my pants.
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Okay.
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Best I can do is a one-year suspension.
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You can't tell a soul about this.
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- You hear me?
- Yes, sir.
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You'll come to LA this summer,
get a job with me.
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You'll be an executive trainee.
And everything's perfectly fine.
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- You understand?
- Yeah. I'm really sorry. Dad.
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My mom and dad had moved to California
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because my dad got this big job.
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What the fuck?
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And Lyle here,
he's on summer break from Princeton.
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I don't know if you've heard of it.
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Thank you for the laughs.
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He's getting straight A's.
Boom, boom, boom. One after the other.
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He's number one on the tennis team.
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- What about that?
- Yeah.
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And now, he's our newest
management trainee, okay?
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So please, let's give a big
LIVE Entertainment welcome
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to Lyle Menendez.
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Hey!
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Hey, hold on. Are you losing your hair?
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Okay.
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So, for tonight,
we have this special screening.
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Just what a fucking douchebag.
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I'm like, "Listen,
I get who your dad is, so fine."
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I'll nod my head, say, "Yeah, great idea."
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I know, right? Fucking rich kids.
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I think you'll get
a great fit with this model.
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- Oh yeah, that's the one.
- Yeah!
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Yes!
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Very good job. Very good.
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I don't know. I don't know.
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I don't...
I don't know if this is the right one.
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Oh no?
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Come on.
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También bravo. You look great on that.
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You want to be a killer, right?
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- Yeah.
- Right?
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- You wanna succeed in business?
- Yes, sir.
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You wanna go into politics?
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Then you gotta have
a good head of hair, right?
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This is beautiful.
Great job. It's fantastic.
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But, um, what if I...
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Hmm?
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...don't want to?
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You don't want to what?
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Wear a wig.
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What if I don't wanna wear a wig?
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We can discuss this at home. Okay?
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Now you're wearing a wig.
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That's the way it's going to be. Okay?
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How about saying, "Thank you, Dad,
for all you're doing for me?"
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Dad, thank you very much
for what you're doing for me.
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Exactly. Okay.
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Can you believe this shit?
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Lyle, I want to go back for a moment
to before you were suspended,
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back to the robberies and meeting Oziel.
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Lyle!
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- What are you guys doing?
- Look at this.
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Shit.
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Where did you guys get this?
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John List's parents are out of town,
so he threw a party.
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Shepherd here found the combo
to the safe on a fucking Post-it note.
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I mean, it beats asking Dad
for money, right?
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Lyle, it is so fucking easy. We know all
the kids that are out of town on vacation.
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- IBM PS/2 home computer?
- Yep.
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One Soloflex machine.
Large fireproof safe. Printer.
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Got all that.
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Jesus, that's a shitload of stuff.
What's missing off the list?
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Oh, stuff they pawned.
Jewelry, some pieces of china.
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I guess that's the gravy boat
she was talking about.
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Oh.
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Then they say
there was eight grand in cash.
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Okay, just give me a number
and I'll cut a check, please.
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Okay.
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- We're really sorry, Dad.
- No, no, no. Please, don't.
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I don't wanna hear a word
out of your mouths.
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What will I do?
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Lyle, what do you have to say about this?
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Just, yeah.
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You know, we're sorry.
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No, no, no, no.
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I mean, thank you for bailing us out.
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Nope, you don't get it.
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You don't fucking get it.
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You both are out of the will.
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All there is to it.
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Lie, cheat, steal,
but do not fucking get caught!
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It's a court thing.
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Yes, the judge says they gotta do it,
and they're gonna do it.
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My kids don't need therapy,
for Christ's sake. They're fine.
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All I care about is your signature
on that piece of paper. That's all.
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Because my kids are not going there
to talk about this family
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or anything that goes on in this house.
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They're not, and if they do,
I need you to tell me. Please.
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Because that's not what they're there for.
They are there to talk about the...
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the robberies and... and... and... and...
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Yeah, how sorry they are,
and the regret they feel.
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Blah, blah, blah, and that's it.
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Sorry to keep you waiting.
Uh, which one of you is Erik?
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I'm Erik, and this is Lyle.
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And why didn't you tell him?
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- Dr. Oziel.
- Why didn't I tell him what?
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About the abuse.
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About the sexual abuse.
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Well, when we first started seeing him...
at that time...
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I didn't know that... that my dad
was still doing that stuff with Erik,
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like the stuff he used to do with me.
He hadn't fucking told me that yet.
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Yeah, but do you see what I'm saying?
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Why didn't you tell anybody
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about the abuse by your father?
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You're telling us everything else,
but you're not telling us that.
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It's clear you loved
your father, okay.
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Jill and I, we understand that.
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But, Lyle, if your father abused you
sexually, we need to hear about it.
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We need to hear about it in
as much detail as you're able to provide.
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Okay.
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Okay?
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Okay, yeah, I understand that.
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I, um...
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Sorry, um...
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No, take your time.
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Erik knows, obviously, um...
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and Donovan,
my roommate at Princeton, I told him.
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I told my cousin.
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She was, uh, living with us.
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And, uh...
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I wanted to sleep in the basement with her
so that my dad couldn't come down there.
247
00:15:57,539 --> 00:16:01,210
And I remember asking her,
"Does your dad ever...
248
00:16:03,170 --> 00:16:05,005
touch your privates?"
249
00:16:05,089 --> 00:16:07,007
And she just looked at me
250
00:16:07,091 --> 00:16:11,387
like... she couldn't even understand
what I was saying.
251
00:16:12,638 --> 00:16:14,556
How old were you when this started?
252
00:16:15,140 --> 00:16:16,266
Six, I think.
253
00:16:17,476 --> 00:16:19,770
And when I play it back,
it's kind of like a...
254
00:16:21,689 --> 00:16:24,108
I don't know.
It's kind of like a movie, I guess.
255
00:16:24,191 --> 00:16:25,943
Everything is in slow motion.
256
00:16:29,613 --> 00:16:33,617
It started with massages
after tennis and stuff.
257
00:16:33,701 --> 00:16:34,618
Come on.
258
00:16:34,702 --> 00:16:36,745
Which is funny,
because when a kid does sports,
259
00:16:36,829 --> 00:16:38,664
it's not like you need a massage.
260
00:16:43,085 --> 00:16:45,129
And I remember his hands.
261
00:16:45,963 --> 00:16:47,256
It felt, um...
262
00:16:48,882 --> 00:16:49,882
special?
263
00:16:53,637 --> 00:16:55,723
Like I was the center of his world.
264
00:17:00,894 --> 00:17:01,894
Uh...
265
00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:07,484
And we would, uh, fondle each other.
266
00:17:08,235 --> 00:17:11,113
And did your mother know
that this was happening?
267
00:17:11,196 --> 00:17:12,823
I didn't think so, no.
268
00:17:36,430 --> 00:17:39,349
Anyway, when...
when I turned seven years old,
269
00:17:40,684 --> 00:17:42,436
it started to change, and...
270
00:17:44,271 --> 00:17:46,273
he started showing me movies.
271
00:17:46,356 --> 00:17:47,483
Pornographic movies?
272
00:17:51,403 --> 00:17:52,654
And I would have to, uh...
273
00:17:58,368 --> 00:18:01,789
We'd go into the bathroom
and then I'd have to kneel on the tile,
274
00:18:01,872 --> 00:18:04,249
which had this really weird pattern on it.
275
00:18:04,333 --> 00:18:08,212
I feel like I looked at it a lot,
and now sometimes when I doodle,
276
00:18:08,295 --> 00:18:09,922
I'll do it in that pattern.
277
00:18:17,805 --> 00:18:18,889
Anyways, um...
278
00:18:21,433 --> 00:18:24,686
I'd be kneeling,
and then he would just guide my movements.
279
00:18:25,854 --> 00:18:30,150
Guide your movements to... fondle him?
280
00:18:31,610 --> 00:18:33,112
But with my mouth.
281
00:18:35,781 --> 00:18:37,074
When you were seven...
282
00:18:39,368 --> 00:18:42,371
your father made you
perform oral sex on him?
283
00:18:42,454 --> 00:18:43,455
Yes.
284
00:18:44,790 --> 00:18:47,251
And, um, I know I was seven
285
00:18:47,334 --> 00:18:51,046
because I had just gotten
the Sesame Street stuffed animal family,
286
00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:54,050
and they used to argue all the time
about the stuff I was doing with them.
287
00:18:54,091 --> 00:18:55,259
Sorry, who's they?
288
00:18:55,342 --> 00:18:56,593
The stuffed animals.
289
00:18:57,678 --> 00:18:59,721
Oscar had a lot
of really strong opinions about it,
290
00:18:59,805 --> 00:19:02,474
and Ernie always wanted
to play with me after.
291
00:19:03,767 --> 00:19:06,395
I guess to get my mind off of it?
292
00:19:08,605 --> 00:19:13,026
Uh, because around then,
or maybe a little bit later,
293
00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:15,028
I started to really not like it.
294
00:19:16,155 --> 00:19:19,324
Because my dad,
he started to incorporate objects.
295
00:19:24,121 --> 00:19:28,375
He would get me naked,
and then he would insert the objects.
296
00:19:33,338 --> 00:19:36,633
And I knew that that was strange,
and I told my cousin about that.
297
00:19:39,011 --> 00:19:42,264
My mom didn't believe her.
She just didn't fucking care.
298
00:19:45,142 --> 00:19:47,644
But that's when
I started to do it to Erik.
299
00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:54,109
I don't know why I did that because
I didn't like it when my dad did it to me.
300
00:19:54,193 --> 00:19:57,446
He didn't like it either.
He would always ask me to stop.
301
00:19:59,740 --> 00:20:02,326
But I had to make it normal, right?
302
00:20:02,409 --> 00:20:05,204
What my dad was doing to me,
I had to make that normal.
303
00:20:06,371 --> 00:20:08,207
Even though I knew that it fucking wasn't.
304
00:20:09,082 --> 00:20:10,500
Um...
305
00:20:10,584 --> 00:20:13,337
But then as I got older,
when I turned eight, it...
306
00:20:14,129 --> 00:20:15,547
the sex stuff got worse.
307
00:20:17,549 --> 00:20:19,635
And we started showering together.
308
00:20:22,804 --> 00:20:24,097
And he would rape me.
309
00:20:26,975 --> 00:20:28,477
It hurt so much, and...
310
00:20:31,063 --> 00:20:34,816
I told him... I told him that it hurt,
and that I wanted it to stop.
311
00:20:37,069 --> 00:20:38,487
And he said, I remember,
312
00:20:38,570 --> 00:20:41,490
"I love you,
I don't wanna hurt you, and it'll stop."
313
00:20:45,202 --> 00:20:46,203
And it did.
314
00:20:48,038 --> 00:20:49,038
It stopped.
315
00:20:57,756 --> 00:21:00,175
Now I know why,
because he was doing it to Erik.
316
00:21:03,929 --> 00:21:05,389
And so I walked up to him,
317
00:21:05,472 --> 00:21:09,351
and I told him that I knew
what was happening between him and Erik,
318
00:21:09,434 --> 00:21:10,978
and that it had better stop.
319
00:21:12,104 --> 00:21:13,647
And he looked at me, and he said...
320
00:21:13,730 --> 00:21:15,524
Erik makes things up.
321
00:21:16,942 --> 00:21:19,569
You keep this between us. Okay?
322
00:21:23,824 --> 00:21:28,036
Lyle, I am so sorry you went through that.
323
00:21:29,454 --> 00:21:32,291
And it wasn't until much later
that I found out that...
324
00:21:37,087 --> 00:21:39,464
he was still fucking doing it to Erik.
325
00:21:39,548 --> 00:21:41,883
Lyle, I gotta tell you something.
326
00:21:43,343 --> 00:21:44,177
What?
327
00:21:48,098 --> 00:21:52,185
And when he fucking told me that,
I felt like...
328
00:21:56,231 --> 00:21:57,231
What?
329
00:21:58,150 --> 00:22:00,777
Like he had taken
my fucking brother away from me
330
00:22:01,486 --> 00:22:05,407
by hating Erik and loving me,
and by fucking hating Erik.
331
00:22:05,490 --> 00:22:09,661
No, no, no, no! 45, 46, 47!
332
00:22:09,745 --> 00:22:12,789
Come on, Erik!
You can do one minute. Come on.
333
00:22:14,624 --> 00:22:17,336
He hated Erik,
and it made me hate Erik, too.
334
00:22:17,419 --> 00:22:22,299
And I saw how my dad fucking treated him,
and then I treated him the same way.
335
00:22:31,683 --> 00:22:35,145
What kinda person does that
to their brother? What kinda sick fuck?
336
00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:41,026
I didn't like it when my dad did it to me,
and I fucking did it to him.
337
00:22:41,109 --> 00:22:42,829
I know what's going on
between you and Erik.
338
00:22:42,861 --> 00:22:44,613
What? What did you say?
339
00:22:44,696 --> 00:22:47,496
- Don't fucking play that shit with me!
- Hold on. What are you saying?
340
00:22:47,574 --> 00:22:51,370
I swear to fucking Christ, this is done.
This is done.
341
00:22:51,453 --> 00:22:54,539
You understand? No more between you two.
342
00:22:54,623 --> 00:22:56,917
And you are never... never to touch him.
343
00:22:57,876 --> 00:22:58,876
Not ever.
344
00:23:06,510 --> 00:23:07,969
I will tell everyone.
345
00:23:12,891 --> 00:23:14,059
So just stop.
346
00:23:15,352 --> 00:23:16,352
Stop.
347
00:23:19,231 --> 00:23:21,483
So that's your decision, then, is it?
348
00:23:23,235 --> 00:23:26,655
No, just fucking stop, like you promised!
349
00:23:26,738 --> 00:23:29,199
Yeah, but you've made your choice, then.
350
00:23:33,245 --> 00:23:36,248
No, Dad, I'm just saying
that if you don't stop...
351
00:23:36,331 --> 00:23:37,374
No, I heard what you said.
352
00:23:39,334 --> 00:23:41,670
Now be like a fucking man...
353
00:23:43,839 --> 00:23:45,882
and do it. Fucking do it.
354
00:23:46,842 --> 00:23:47,843
Do what?
355
00:23:47,926 --> 00:23:50,095
I don't know.
356
00:23:50,178 --> 00:23:51,555
You just asked me.
357
00:23:52,055 --> 00:23:56,601
I mean, I'm proud of you, Lyle,
because finally you are doing something.
358
00:23:56,685 --> 00:23:59,396
Great! That's my boy! Good!
359
00:23:59,479 --> 00:24:02,441
Erik made his choice.
360
00:24:03,024 --> 00:24:05,485
You made your choice.
361
00:24:06,653 --> 00:24:07,821
I will make mine.
362
00:24:26,214 --> 00:24:28,717
And what do you imagine
he meant by that?
363
00:24:30,844 --> 00:24:33,180
I didn't have to imagine
what he meant by that.
364
00:24:34,055 --> 00:24:35,055
I knew.
365
00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:38,810
He was gonna fucking kill us.
366
00:24:43,982 --> 00:24:44,858
My dear.
367
00:24:44,941 --> 00:24:46,401
Oh, thank you, darling.
368
00:24:46,485 --> 00:24:50,947
Now, ladies, I never repeat gossip,
so listen carefully.
369
00:24:52,782 --> 00:24:56,912
Seriously, Nick, how were you able
to get a tour of the Menendez house?
370
00:24:56,995 --> 00:25:02,417
Now, now, Carrie, a Vanity Fair reporter
never reveals his sources,
371
00:25:02,501 --> 00:25:06,171
but let's just say it always pays to know
a good realtor in Beverly Hills.
372
00:25:07,797 --> 00:25:09,007
So what was it like?
373
00:25:10,175 --> 00:25:15,931
Well, for one, the house
has quite a royal pedigree.
374
00:25:16,014 --> 00:25:21,603
Its previous occupants include Prince,
the theater director Hal Prince,
375
00:25:21,686 --> 00:25:25,857
a Saudi prince, and even one princess.
376
00:25:25,941 --> 00:25:26,858
Princess Di?
377
00:25:26,942 --> 00:25:28,485
Elton John.
378
00:25:31,655 --> 00:25:34,533
Now, once you're inside,
379
00:25:34,616 --> 00:25:39,955
you can't help but notice
the appallingly second-rate furniture.
380
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:44,042
But once you move past
the tacky furnishings,
381
00:25:44,125 --> 00:25:48,880
your attention is immediately drawn
to the television room.
382
00:25:50,090 --> 00:25:55,136
At first glance, you'd have no inkling
as to what took place there.
383
00:25:57,722 --> 00:26:00,225
But if you look long enough...
384
00:26:18,410 --> 00:26:19,536
Ooh, uh...
385
00:26:19,619 --> 00:26:20,829
What the fuck?
386
00:26:28,545 --> 00:26:33,341
Based on my conversations
with the detectives on the case,
387
00:26:33,425 --> 00:26:37,304
and from seeing the layout of the room,
it's obvious to me
388
00:26:37,387 --> 00:26:42,350
that the brothers entered from behind,
through the terrace door,
389
00:26:42,434 --> 00:26:46,104
so that they could
catch their parents by surprise.
390
00:26:50,150 --> 00:26:55,363
Jose and Kitty
were completely unarmed,
391
00:26:55,447 --> 00:26:57,782
had no idea what was coming.
392
00:26:57,866 --> 00:26:59,576
Total sitting ducks.
393
00:26:59,659 --> 00:27:01,745
So you think it was premeditated?
394
00:27:01,828 --> 00:27:05,498
It was absolutely premeditated.
395
00:27:05,999 --> 00:27:11,463
Lyle and Erik had been thinking
about doing this for weeks, years.
396
00:27:12,047 --> 00:27:15,258
Several of my sources confirm as much.
397
00:27:16,301 --> 00:27:18,887
I just thought
we were writing a screenplay, you know.
398
00:27:18,970 --> 00:27:21,264
I had no clue
we were writing a fucking blueprint
399
00:27:21,348 --> 00:27:23,808
for how Erik was gonna off his parents.
400
00:27:23,892 --> 00:27:28,647
No. No, no, no. They never told Jerry
that they were in any immediate danger.
401
00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:31,107
They were just fed up with the situation
402
00:27:31,191 --> 00:27:33,610
and decided they were finally
gonna put an end to it.
403
00:27:33,693 --> 00:27:38,239
And when you factor in their behavior
after the murders...
404
00:27:38,323 --> 00:27:41,910
All they cared about
was being driven around in limousines
405
00:27:41,993 --> 00:27:45,622
and staying in the presidential suite
at the Bel-Air Hotel.
406
00:27:45,705 --> 00:27:48,708
- It is a very nice suite.
- Mm.
407
00:27:48,792 --> 00:27:51,795
As well as after their arrest...
408
00:27:51,878 --> 00:27:54,422
I found a letter in Erik's cell
that Lyle wrote.
409
00:27:54,506 --> 00:27:57,384
The dude wrote up
this crazy-ass escape plan.
410
00:27:58,218 --> 00:28:00,804
...it becomes increasingly difficult
411
00:28:00,887 --> 00:28:04,808
to shed any tears
for these sociopathic siblings.
412
00:28:04,891 --> 00:28:08,978
Now, naturally, some family members
413
00:28:09,062 --> 00:28:12,482
continue to rally to their defense,
414
00:28:12,565 --> 00:28:17,195
a few even clinging
to bizarre conspiracy theories.
415
00:28:17,278 --> 00:28:20,073
I think Jose's company
had him and Kitty's murdered
416
00:28:20,156 --> 00:28:21,574
because of the insurance money.
417
00:28:21,658 --> 00:28:25,662
They're all a bunch of... ¿Cómo se dice?
How do you say? Greedy motherfuckers!
418
00:28:25,745 --> 00:28:30,166
And, of course, let's not forget
their formidable legal team,
419
00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:33,002
led by the fearless Little Orphan Annie.
420
00:28:33,086 --> 00:28:35,338
You jerks can say whatever you want,
421
00:28:35,422 --> 00:28:39,300
but Erik and Lyle are amongst
the best clients I have ever had.
422
00:28:39,384 --> 00:28:41,094
They are adorable.
423
00:28:41,177 --> 00:28:45,014
Wait. She did not
seriously call them adorable.
424
00:28:45,598 --> 00:28:47,642
You know I never exaggerate.
425
00:28:49,185 --> 00:28:52,021
So what do you think
their motive was? Money?
426
00:29:01,197 --> 00:29:03,908
You don't murder your parents
427
00:29:03,992 --> 00:29:08,163
the way Jose and Kitty Menendez
were murdered
428
00:29:08,997 --> 00:29:10,707
simply for money.
429
00:29:11,416 --> 00:29:14,919
Blasting them with shotguns
at close range.
430
00:29:15,003 --> 00:29:18,590
Literally defacing them.
431
00:29:19,257 --> 00:29:21,176
You don't reload your gun
432
00:29:22,510 --> 00:29:25,263
when you realize
your mother is still alive.
433
00:29:26,306 --> 00:29:29,225
Even after you've pumped her
full of buckshot shells
434
00:29:29,309 --> 00:29:31,227
that have torn through her body
435
00:29:31,311 --> 00:29:35,857
and she's crawling on the floor
like a maimed animal,
436
00:29:35,940 --> 00:29:37,901
barely clinging to life.
437
00:29:40,612 --> 00:29:45,408
You don't walk up to her
through the gun smoke over shell casings,
438
00:29:46,910 --> 00:29:50,497
point the muzzle of the shotgun
next to her cheek,
439
00:29:50,580 --> 00:29:55,835
look her in the eye
so that she knows it was you...
440
00:29:59,339 --> 00:30:00,965
and then...
441
00:30:07,555 --> 00:30:09,390
No. No.
442
00:30:11,434 --> 00:30:12,811
That's not about money.
443
00:30:12,894 --> 00:30:16,314
That's about something deeper, darker...
444
00:30:18,775 --> 00:30:23,613
and evil that goes beyond hate.
445
00:30:25,949 --> 00:30:26,949
Jesus, Nick.
446
00:30:27,659 --> 00:30:31,329
No wonder why we didn't hire you
to do the rewrites on Pretty Woman.
447
00:30:33,331 --> 00:30:37,460
By the way, Nick, your Vanity Fair piece.
Does it have a title?
448
00:30:41,047 --> 00:30:43,967
Nightmare on Elm Drive.
449
00:30:45,260 --> 00:30:47,387
Un-fucking-believable.
450
00:30:47,971 --> 00:30:50,431
Oh, relax.
Les, you shouldn't even be reading that.
451
00:30:50,515 --> 00:30:53,142
Well, unfortunately, the rest of America
is reading it!
452
00:30:53,226 --> 00:30:55,937
It's bad enough I have to deal
with actual journalists.
453
00:30:56,020 --> 00:30:57,939
Now I have to deal
with pseudo-journalists.
454
00:30:58,022 --> 00:31:02,527
Fucking armchair psychologists like Dunne
who don't give a damn about the facts.
455
00:31:02,610 --> 00:31:05,822
"The boys entered
through the terrace doors?" Bullshit!
456
00:31:05,905 --> 00:31:10,034
"They were wearing overalls and gloves?"
Also bullshit.
457
00:31:10,118 --> 00:31:14,414
"Jose and Kitty
were having ice cream and fruit."
458
00:31:14,497 --> 00:31:17,709
Did Dunne even bother
to read the fucking forensic report?
459
00:31:17,792 --> 00:31:18,918
And look, I get it.
460
00:31:19,002 --> 00:31:21,671
His daughter was murdered,
which is a terrible tragedy.
461
00:31:21,754 --> 00:31:23,840
I'm not trying
to take anything away from that.
462
00:31:23,923 --> 00:31:26,551
But does that give him the right
to traffic in lies
463
00:31:26,634 --> 00:31:29,262
and be a journalistic lackey
for the prosecution?
464
00:31:29,345 --> 00:31:32,849
Dunne peddles in gossip journalism, babe.
And sadly, gossip sells.
465
00:31:34,350 --> 00:31:38,479
Though, did you
really call Lyle and Erik adorable?
466
00:31:39,814 --> 00:31:41,399
That is not the point, Tim!
467
00:31:41,482 --> 00:31:46,613
The point is that thanks to him,
public opinion is now fucked!
468
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,033
There is no way the boys
are going to have a fair trial now.
469
00:31:50,116 --> 00:31:51,743
Okay, maybe you should quit the case.
470
00:31:51,826 --> 00:31:53,953
I can't quit.
471
00:31:54,704 --> 00:31:56,748
You know me. I'm not a quitter.
472
00:31:56,831 --> 00:31:58,333
That's why I still smoke.
473
00:32:01,419 --> 00:32:03,212
If only I knew a good journalist
474
00:32:03,296 --> 00:32:07,634
who could help me push back against
some of this pro-prosecution bullshit.
475
00:32:07,717 --> 00:32:11,721
Now, Les. We made a pact,
remember? Church and state.
476
00:32:11,804 --> 00:32:12,805
Oh, that.
477
00:32:12,889 --> 00:32:15,683
Besides, you're better in the courtroom
than at courting the press.
478
00:32:15,767 --> 00:32:17,685
That's because
most of the press are assholes!
479
00:32:17,769 --> 00:32:20,396
Okay, I get it. You're an attack dog!
480
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:21,981
That's why I married you.
481
00:32:22,649 --> 00:32:26,611
Just try not to flip anyone off
at our adoption follow-up next week.
482
00:32:28,446 --> 00:32:29,906
Next week? What day?
483
00:32:31,866 --> 00:32:32,866
Tuesday.
484
00:32:33,993 --> 00:32:38,331
Shit. I can't. I'm sorry. I have
the pre-trial hearing on the Oziel tapes.
485
00:32:38,414 --> 00:32:40,792
- Les, we've already rescheduled twice!
- Tim, I can't.
486
00:32:40,875 --> 00:32:42,835
A big part of our case hinges
on making sure
487
00:32:42,919 --> 00:32:44,671
those tapes are inadmissible as evidence.
488
00:32:45,338 --> 00:32:48,758
Okay, fine.
I'll call the agency and reschedule.
489
00:32:49,801 --> 00:32:53,638
Maybe we should save ourselves the hassle
and adopt Lyle and Erik.
490
00:32:58,726 --> 00:33:00,353
Well, maybe just Erik.
491
00:33:06,401 --> 00:33:10,238
Well, thanks for agreeing
to talk to me, Donovan.
492
00:33:10,905 --> 00:33:13,908
I know you've had a lot of people
hounding you with questions
493
00:33:13,992 --> 00:33:15,410
over the last couple of months.
494
00:33:15,493 --> 00:33:16,661
Now, look, Ms. Abramson,
495
00:33:16,744 --> 00:33:21,416
I am fine to talk to you
and answer your questions.
496
00:33:21,499 --> 00:33:24,085
But I really do not want
to be put on that witness stand.
497
00:33:24,168 --> 00:33:27,964
Well, I think at this point
that's probably unavoidable.
498
00:33:28,548 --> 00:33:32,552
After all, Erik did use your ID
to buy the shotguns.
499
00:33:34,887 --> 00:33:38,224
And, besides, if you and Lyle
were as close as you say you were,
500
00:33:38,307 --> 00:33:40,977
I'd imagine you'd be willing to do
anything you could
501
00:33:41,060 --> 00:33:42,562
to help with his defense.
502
00:33:43,730 --> 00:33:45,648
You know, he's facing the gas chamber.
503
00:33:46,983 --> 00:33:49,819
- They still got that in California?
- They do.
504
00:33:54,532 --> 00:33:59,787
Now, when you and Lyle were roommates,
what kind of stuff did you talk about?
505
00:34:02,457 --> 00:34:04,333
Uh... Everything, pretty much.
506
00:34:04,417 --> 00:34:09,338
Our... our dreams,
our aspirations, our families.
507
00:34:09,964 --> 00:34:11,340
We, uh... we had a lot in common.
508
00:34:11,966 --> 00:34:12,966
Like what?
509
00:34:15,219 --> 00:34:17,138
Well, we both
had very domineering fathers.
510
00:34:17,221 --> 00:34:19,432
Though, Jose was ten times worse
than my old man.
511
00:34:19,515 --> 00:34:22,769
The only thing that mattered to him
was winning, whatever the cost.
512
00:34:23,686 --> 00:34:25,480
I could tell Lyle
was under a ton pressure.
513
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:28,441
I mean...
514
00:34:29,525 --> 00:34:30,610
did he ever...
515
00:34:31,110 --> 00:34:35,114
share any secrets with you
about his family?
516
00:34:35,907 --> 00:34:37,700
Specifically about his dad?
517
00:34:44,916 --> 00:34:48,461
One night, he told me
his father had an affair.
518
00:34:49,962 --> 00:34:52,840
And how when his mom found out,
it practically killed her.
519
00:34:53,341 --> 00:34:55,718
I've never seen Lyle
so mad about something.
520
00:34:56,844 --> 00:35:00,348
I could fucking kill him
for what he's doing to her.
521
00:35:04,143 --> 00:35:05,144
Come on.
522
00:35:06,187 --> 00:35:08,147
- Lyle, you don't mean that.
- No, I do.
523
00:35:08,231 --> 00:35:11,567
The shit that he's put her through,
the shit that he's put us all through.
524
00:35:12,735 --> 00:35:15,488
Maybe he should be fucking killed.
The guy's impossible to live with.
525
00:35:15,571 --> 00:35:17,281
And I didn't think much of it at the time.
526
00:35:17,365 --> 00:35:20,326
People say all kinds of shit
when they're angry.
527
00:35:20,827 --> 00:35:23,871
Then a couple weeks later, we're at
this Chinese restaurant, just him and I.
528
00:35:24,789 --> 00:35:25,789
Salud!
529
00:35:27,834 --> 00:35:31,045
Oh, fuck. My best fucking friend, right?
530
00:35:31,129 --> 00:35:32,129
Yup.
531
00:35:32,839 --> 00:35:33,839
Ooh!
532
00:35:34,465 --> 00:35:38,386
- Nothing we wouldn't do for each other.
- No, no, obviously, nothing.
533
00:35:40,972 --> 00:35:42,056
Like...
534
00:35:43,266 --> 00:35:46,310
say some really bad shit happened to you.
535
00:35:47,436 --> 00:35:51,357
You know, obviously,
I would take care of... your family.
536
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:52,692
And, you know, it's like,
537
00:35:52,775 --> 00:35:56,028
if some really,
really bad shit were to happen to me,
538
00:35:56,821 --> 00:36:01,534
you know, you'd look after Erik
and my mom.
539
00:36:01,617 --> 00:36:03,870
- Yeah, yeah of course.
- Because we're family.
540
00:36:03,953 --> 00:36:04,954
Right.
541
00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:08,039
Oh!
542
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,334
- Oh.
- Ugh.
543
00:36:15,423 --> 00:36:18,092
There really is nothing more important
than family, huh?
544
00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:20,011
Right.
545
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:25,224
'Cause, you know, with family,
with... with real fucking family,
546
00:36:25,308 --> 00:36:26,809
you can't have any secrets.
547
00:36:26,893 --> 00:36:27,894
Agreed.
548
00:36:30,646 --> 00:36:32,523
So there's nothing
that you're hiding from me?
549
00:36:35,234 --> 00:36:36,234
Nothing at all?
550
00:36:36,652 --> 00:36:39,655
In that moment,
it felt like Lyle was testing me.
551
00:36:40,656 --> 00:36:44,827
Like if I didn't say the right thing,
that'd be the end of our friendship. So I...
552
00:36:51,167 --> 00:36:53,836
I told him I was molested
when I was a kid.
553
00:36:55,463 --> 00:36:57,465
It happened over
at a family friend's house.
554
00:36:57,548 --> 00:36:59,926
And I told him all about it.
555
00:37:00,009 --> 00:37:03,971
You know, how I could
still remember the room where it happened,
556
00:37:04,055 --> 00:37:06,891
the pictures on the walls,
557
00:37:08,309 --> 00:37:09,852
ink stains on the carpet.
558
00:37:14,815 --> 00:37:16,192
The smell of the guy's...
559
00:37:20,655 --> 00:37:21,989
And, uh, you know, I...
560
00:37:22,073 --> 00:37:24,051
I... I... That was the first time
I ever told anybody,
561
00:37:24,075 --> 00:37:25,993
so I wasn't sure how Lyle was gonna react.
562
00:37:28,746 --> 00:37:30,164
I'm so fucking sorry.
563
00:37:33,668 --> 00:37:34,961
I'm here for you, though.
564
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,548
I know what you're going through.
565
00:37:40,424 --> 00:37:41,509
Yeah, thanks, man.
566
00:37:42,009 --> 00:37:45,680
Seriously, man. I... I fucking know.
567
00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:50,267
Um...
568
00:37:52,603 --> 00:37:53,603
Erik and I.
569
00:37:57,817 --> 00:37:59,151
We were molested, too.
570
00:38:04,073 --> 00:38:05,074
By our dad.
571
00:38:12,415 --> 00:38:16,335
So Lyle confessed to you
about being sexually abused by his dad
572
00:38:16,419 --> 00:38:19,130
four months before the murders?
573
00:38:19,213 --> 00:38:23,342
Yeah, I mean, he basically
didn't get into too much detail.
574
00:38:24,343 --> 00:38:27,138
But he did tell me about the creepy
fucking showers they used to take.
575
00:38:27,221 --> 00:38:29,390
And it sounds like Erik
got the worst of it.
576
00:38:32,393 --> 00:38:36,564
In fact, I think the hardest part for Lyle
was that he couldn't protect Erik.
577
00:38:38,941 --> 00:38:40,192
He had so much guilt.
578
00:38:42,445 --> 00:38:44,739
Like he was responsible for what happened.
579
00:38:45,906 --> 00:38:47,408
Lyle, I have a question.
580
00:38:47,491 --> 00:38:51,203
What was so special about that weekend?
581
00:38:52,204 --> 00:38:55,416
Why did you feel
like your lives were in danger then?
582
00:38:56,876 --> 00:38:58,878
Well, Erik can tell you more, but, um,
583
00:38:58,961 --> 00:39:01,005
that night,
the night that I confronted my dad,
584
00:39:01,088 --> 00:39:04,133
Erik got home late that night
and I was in bed already.
585
00:39:04,216 --> 00:39:06,761
Erik, come on, unlock this door!
586
00:39:06,844 --> 00:39:08,804
Let me in! Erik, hurry!
587
00:39:09,347 --> 00:39:11,766
Jesus. Unlock the door, please!
588
00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:14,060
Let me in. Erik.
589
00:39:16,771 --> 00:39:21,067
- I told you not to tell anyone!
- I know, Dad. I'm sorry.
590
00:39:21,150 --> 00:39:23,861
I told you not to tell anyone!
591
00:39:24,695 --> 00:39:28,115
You did this! You did this!
You destroyed our family!
592
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:29,617
Get off of me.
593
00:39:34,038 --> 00:39:35,456
What's the matter with you?
594
00:39:36,123 --> 00:39:39,085
- Nothing. You don't understand.
- Of course I do.
595
00:39:40,711 --> 00:39:42,046
You think I didn't know?
596
00:39:44,173 --> 00:39:45,424
You think I'm stupid?
597
00:39:46,509 --> 00:39:47,551
I always knew.
598
00:39:47,635 --> 00:39:48,761
What are you saying?
599
00:39:49,845 --> 00:39:52,264
I cared about
keeping this family together!
600
00:39:53,057 --> 00:39:56,227
We knew then that she was going
to take my dad's side no matter what.
601
00:39:58,896 --> 00:39:59,896
Lyle!
602
00:39:59,939 --> 00:40:01,148
Lyle, open the door.
603
00:40:02,858 --> 00:40:03,692
What's wrong?
604
00:40:03,776 --> 00:40:07,405
Even after everything he'd done to
her, all the cheating, it didn't matter.
605
00:40:07,488 --> 00:40:08,781
What the fuck? What?
606
00:40:08,864 --> 00:40:11,117
- She knows. Lyle, she knows.
- What?
607
00:40:11,909 --> 00:40:13,244
We don't have much time.
608
00:40:17,331 --> 00:40:21,043
Until your mother
was going to, what, kill you?
609
00:40:21,961 --> 00:40:24,380
I don't think that you understand my mom.
610
00:40:26,298 --> 00:40:27,758
My mom loved guns.
611
00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:30,428
There were these birds
that she hated. Plovers.
612
00:40:34,140 --> 00:40:36,517
That and she wanted to scare off
the homeless people.
613
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,062
One time, she actually
brought Erik with her to buy one.
614
00:40:40,146 --> 00:40:42,398
And he says that she told him...
615
00:40:42,481 --> 00:40:44,066
I'm gonna kill somebody with this.
616
00:40:44,608 --> 00:40:48,696
He thought she meant our dad
or maybe his girlfriend.
617
00:40:55,244 --> 00:40:57,329
That is what I'm going to get next.
618
00:40:59,957 --> 00:41:01,375
Fits right in my purse.
619
00:41:16,056 --> 00:41:17,892
You thought she had a handgun?
620
00:41:17,975 --> 00:41:19,894
With a silencer. Yeah.
621
00:41:20,478 --> 00:41:22,021
Erik and I both did.
622
00:41:22,104 --> 00:41:24,607
So we grabbed the cash
out of Erik's Peter Rabbit book
623
00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:27,985
and we went to buy shotguns.
624
00:41:28,569 --> 00:41:31,363
So this was... What, that was Friday?
625
00:41:32,364 --> 00:41:36,577
Yeah, 'cause Saturday, we were supposed
to go on that big fishing trip.
626
00:41:36,660 --> 00:41:38,746
Shark fishing. Just as a family.
627
00:41:38,829 --> 00:41:41,290
But then something happened
that really freaked us out.
628
00:41:44,126 --> 00:41:46,295
Boat trip tomorrow has been pushed back.
629
00:41:46,378 --> 00:41:48,339
It's not 11:00 anymore. It's 4:00 p.m.
630
00:41:49,215 --> 00:41:50,216
Tell Lyle.
631
00:41:51,675 --> 00:41:54,678
Yeah, something about that
just really fucked with us.
632
00:41:54,762 --> 00:41:56,972
Like, why else would they change the time?
633
00:41:57,056 --> 00:41:59,176
I'm telling you,
it's so that it would be dark outside
634
00:41:59,225 --> 00:42:01,602
and then they'd dump us over the side
and say we drowned!
635
00:42:01,685 --> 00:42:04,647
I know because you don't go shark fishing
at night! Right?
636
00:42:04,730 --> 00:42:06,315
We were all worked up.
637
00:42:06,398 --> 00:42:10,027
And we thought the best thing would be
to just drive around all afternoon
638
00:42:10,110 --> 00:42:11,779
and hope they'd leave without us.
639
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,115
Oh shit! They're still here.
640
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:18,452
Come on. The boat's leaving.
Jesus, come on.
641
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:22,581
- What do we do with the guns?
- Just leave them in your car.
642
00:43:13,132 --> 00:43:14,772
- Watch your step.
- Mm-hmm.
643
00:43:15,551 --> 00:43:17,219
Who's ready to catch some sharks?
644
00:43:28,814 --> 00:43:30,649
What're they talking about up there?
645
00:43:33,110 --> 00:43:35,321
Just don't go. Just stay together.
646
00:43:36,614 --> 00:43:37,990
They can't get us both.
647
00:43:42,244 --> 00:43:43,621
I'm so sorry, Erik.
648
00:43:44,997 --> 00:43:48,667
I'm sorry that you felt
like you couldn't come to me.
649
00:43:56,133 --> 00:43:57,551
And I'm sorry that...
650
00:44:00,137 --> 00:44:01,889
I'm sorry I did that to you.
651
00:44:03,265 --> 00:44:04,391
I don't know why I...
652
00:44:09,730 --> 00:44:10,939
It's not your fault.
653
00:44:20,074 --> 00:44:22,076
So, uh, they want to fish?
654
00:44:22,576 --> 00:44:24,495
I don't know. No idea.
655
00:44:27,956 --> 00:44:29,625
What a fucking waste.
656
00:44:33,462 --> 00:44:35,381
What are you doing? Get in.
657
00:44:35,464 --> 00:44:37,591
We're gonna meet Perry.
Perry's picking us up.
658
00:44:37,675 --> 00:44:39,301
No, no, no, no. Get in the car.
659
00:44:39,385 --> 00:44:42,805
No, we're gonna have a talk, okay?
Iron some things out. Come on.
660
00:44:43,347 --> 00:44:46,308
It's okay. You go ahead.
We're going to meet Perry.
661
00:44:56,443 --> 00:44:58,570
And it was in that moment we decided
662
00:44:58,654 --> 00:45:01,782
that we were never gonna give them
another opportunity to hurt us.
663
00:45:02,449 --> 00:45:05,202
We were never gonna let them
come between us ever again.
664
00:45:06,995 --> 00:45:08,414
I was gonna protect him.
665
00:45:09,623 --> 00:45:11,834
You wanna shoot birdshot or buckshot?
666
00:45:11,917 --> 00:45:15,629
Birdshot's softer recoil,
but that's not gonna stop a bad guy.
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