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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:16,361 --> 00:00:18,673 And all the way now from Navan 2 00:00:18,673 --> 00:00:22,401 and the banks of the Boyne, Dr. Pierce Brendan Brosman. 3 00:00:24,265 --> 00:00:26,440 Of course I wear suede on a bloody hot day 4 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,580 and the sun's coming down. 5 00:00:28,580 --> 00:00:30,340 Say, tuck your shirt, good Lord. 6 00:00:30,340 --> 00:00:33,378 Lick your lips, sit up straight. 7 00:00:33,378 --> 00:00:35,518 It was a great introduction for Bond. 8 00:00:35,518 --> 00:00:37,761 When I was on the tour with the Bond movie, 9 00:00:37,761 --> 00:00:40,730 every time I had introduced the film, 10 00:00:41,731 --> 00:00:44,182 I would go to the back of the theater just to watch. 11 00:00:45,390 --> 00:00:47,357 Wayne Michaels was the stuntman. 12 00:00:47,357 --> 00:00:49,808 Wayne Michaels jumped off that dam, 13 00:00:49,808 --> 00:00:53,122 spent two weeks there going up on the dam every day, 14 00:00:53,122 --> 00:00:54,537 and the conditions were not right. 15 00:00:54,537 --> 00:00:56,090 The conditions were not right. 16 00:00:56,090 --> 00:00:59,404 Then one day he stood up on the dam 17 00:00:59,404 --> 00:01:01,889 and the conditions were right 18 00:01:01,889 --> 00:01:04,167 and he just stood there. 19 00:01:05,651 --> 00:01:08,758 Took the swallow dive pose, looked up, 20 00:01:08,758 --> 00:01:11,864 and just as he was about to dive off, 21 00:01:11,864 --> 00:01:14,626 the Italian crane driver who was hoisting him 22 00:01:14,626 --> 00:01:17,180 back up on the bungee just went... 23 00:01:21,909 --> 00:01:23,393 You have to keep that dive. 24 00:01:23,393 --> 00:01:26,879 You have to keep the horizon line all the way. 25 00:01:26,879 --> 00:01:29,675 As soon as your head turns, you're inverted. 26 00:01:29,675 --> 00:01:31,884 That's it. Snap. 27 00:01:31,884 --> 00:01:34,094 So he did it twice. 28 00:01:34,094 --> 00:01:36,682 Did it twice. Quite extraordinary. 29 00:01:36,682 --> 00:01:38,753 It was a great opening for the movie. 30 00:01:38,753 --> 00:01:42,136 It was a great opening for my career as James Bond. 31 00:01:46,382 --> 00:01:49,523 I think "GoldenEye" is one of the best. 32 00:01:49,523 --> 00:01:51,318 You know what I mean? It's iconic. 33 00:01:51,318 --> 00:01:54,942 Of course, the irony of an Irishman 34 00:01:54,942 --> 00:01:56,564 playing James Bond 35 00:01:56,564 --> 00:01:59,636 didn't escape the funny bone of my life. 36 00:01:59,636 --> 00:02:02,708 I just accepted it and I think people accepted it. 37 00:02:02,708 --> 00:02:05,194 I don't think there was any heavy-handed 38 00:02:05,194 --> 00:02:09,267 criticism or anything like that to my playing James Bond... 39 00:02:11,027 --> 00:02:13,512 as an Irishman. 40 00:02:13,512 --> 00:02:14,893 Hmm. 41 00:02:14,893 --> 00:02:17,551 Quite extraordinary time in life. 42 00:02:17,551 --> 00:02:20,485 Quite extraordinary. Powerful. 43 00:02:21,451 --> 00:02:25,352 The feeling coming at you like a tsunami was just... 44 00:02:25,352 --> 00:02:29,494 I remember saying to Keely, the day I got the job. 45 00:02:29,494 --> 00:02:33,256 The phone rang and it was Fred Specktor, my agent, 46 00:02:33,256 --> 00:02:37,605 and Kevin Huvane, and they said, "It's yours. 47 00:02:37,605 --> 00:02:38,744 It's all yours." 48 00:02:40,643 --> 00:02:42,472 I remember putting the phone down and saying to Keeley, 49 00:02:42,472 --> 00:02:45,095 "Hold on to your hat. This is going to be... 50 00:02:45,095 --> 00:02:46,821 It's going to be one wild ride." 51 00:02:47,926 --> 00:02:50,308 Ten years later, it was. 52 00:02:52,241 --> 00:02:55,727 My name is Pierce Brosnan, and we're at The Surfrider 53 00:02:55,727 --> 00:02:58,005 here in Malibu. 54 00:02:58,005 --> 00:03:00,870 Malibu's been home forever. 55 00:03:00,870 --> 00:03:04,667 I dropped in here in '82 and I came to the seaside. 56 00:03:04,667 --> 00:03:07,601 I was in the Hollywood Hills to start with, and 57 00:03:07,601 --> 00:03:09,603 that kind of felt like a home, 58 00:03:09,603 --> 00:03:13,227 but it was a little distant and... 59 00:03:13,227 --> 00:03:16,368 The ocean dragged me to it, and so, 60 00:03:16,368 --> 00:03:17,921 I've been here ever since, 61 00:03:17,921 --> 00:03:19,440 and it's a good part of the world. 62 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,580 I love LA, I hate LA. 63 00:03:21,580 --> 00:03:24,721 I love LA and drives me nuts. 64 00:03:24,721 --> 00:03:27,897 I fly in over it and think, "Why do I live here?" 65 00:03:27,897 --> 00:03:30,244 But I live out there at the beach. 66 00:03:30,244 --> 00:03:32,798 It's gorgeous. It's been good to me. 67 00:03:35,387 --> 00:03:39,598 Yes, I'm from Navan, County Meath. 68 00:03:39,598 --> 00:03:42,014 I grew up on the banks of the river Boyne. 69 00:03:42,014 --> 00:03:46,398 My father, God bless him, Tom Brosnan, he--he... 70 00:03:46,398 --> 00:03:49,712 went off into the hills and never to return. 71 00:03:49,712 --> 00:03:52,162 So my mother was a young mother, 72 00:03:52,162 --> 00:03:55,200 and being a single mother in the '50s, 73 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,203 in a very... 74 00:03:58,203 --> 00:04:00,964 closed environment 75 00:04:00,964 --> 00:04:03,967 and Catholicism really did 76 00:04:03,967 --> 00:04:05,555 kind of... 77 00:04:05,555 --> 00:04:09,110 mangle somewhat the lives of many people, 78 00:04:09,110 --> 00:04:10,560 even though there was 79 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,322 the prayer to God and Jesus and happiness. 80 00:04:13,322 --> 00:04:15,462 But, uh... 81 00:04:15,462 --> 00:04:17,015 the marriage didn't work out, 82 00:04:17,015 --> 00:04:20,881 and being a single mother in those years, 83 00:04:20,881 --> 00:04:22,365 they made you feel it. 84 00:04:22,365 --> 00:04:27,163 A cloistered town, like Navan, 85 00:04:27,163 --> 00:04:28,992 there was no escaping. 86 00:04:28,992 --> 00:04:31,512 My mother left when I was a young lad 87 00:04:31,512 --> 00:04:33,342 to be a nurse in England. 88 00:04:33,342 --> 00:04:35,344 That was her courage and her glory, 89 00:04:35,344 --> 00:04:36,690 and thank God she did, 90 00:04:36,690 --> 00:04:38,692 and she went off to make a life. 91 00:04:38,692 --> 00:04:40,970 So I lived with my grandparents, 92 00:04:40,970 --> 00:04:42,765 then an aunt and an uncle. 93 00:04:46,251 --> 00:04:48,978 One way or the other, Navan is 94 00:04:48,978 --> 00:04:50,428 very much part of my life. 95 00:04:50,428 --> 00:04:52,326 And you acknowledge that. It's your roots. 96 00:04:52,326 --> 00:04:53,810 It's who you come from. 97 00:04:53,810 --> 00:04:56,296 It's the seed and the bone and the flesh 98 00:04:56,296 --> 00:04:58,090 of your soul somewhat. 99 00:04:58,090 --> 00:04:59,851 And then when I was eleven years of age, 100 00:04:59,851 --> 00:05:04,373 my mother finally found her footing in England 101 00:05:04,373 --> 00:05:07,134 and got her nursing degrees and sent for me, 102 00:05:07,134 --> 00:05:09,239 and we were reunited. 103 00:05:09,239 --> 00:05:11,621 So those first eleven years of my life 104 00:05:11,621 --> 00:05:15,280 were very, somewhat solitary. 105 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:18,870 But I think it's what gave me the interior life of an actor 106 00:05:18,870 --> 00:05:22,529 and of an artist, and made me the man I am today. 107 00:05:24,945 --> 00:05:29,156 So I landed in London and was reunited with my mother 108 00:05:29,156 --> 00:05:31,745 on the same day that Ian Fleming passed away. 109 00:05:31,745 --> 00:05:34,126 I didn't realize that for many, many years. 110 00:05:34,126 --> 00:05:36,336 The sun was shining. 111 00:05:36,336 --> 00:05:38,441 I was looking... 112 00:05:38,441 --> 00:05:40,685 for the cars with the big wings. 113 00:05:40,685 --> 00:05:42,859 I thought they were there, but they weren't. 114 00:05:42,859 --> 00:05:45,621 They were just little cars like in Ireland. 115 00:05:45,621 --> 00:05:48,209 And we lived in Putney. 116 00:05:48,209 --> 00:05:51,868 Number 72 Chelverton Road, Putney. 117 00:05:51,868 --> 00:05:55,182 My mother and stepfather took me to the pictures, 118 00:05:55,182 --> 00:05:56,563 Putney High Street. 119 00:05:56,563 --> 00:05:59,359 First film I saw, "Goldfinger." 120 00:06:00,498 --> 00:06:02,603 I'd never seen the likes of it. 121 00:06:02,603 --> 00:06:04,743 I was just bedazzled. 122 00:06:04,743 --> 00:06:07,159 I was good at art and I was good at English, 123 00:06:07,159 --> 00:06:10,956 and my essays were strong. The art wasn't bad. 124 00:06:10,956 --> 00:06:12,958 I left school at 16 with nothing 125 00:06:12,958 --> 00:06:16,583 but a cardboard folder of drawings, 126 00:06:16,583 --> 00:06:20,449 paintings of flowers, plants, people. 127 00:06:20,449 --> 00:06:22,589 And I got a job, 128 00:06:22,589 --> 00:06:26,282 again in Putney, drawing straight lines, 129 00:06:26,282 --> 00:06:27,732 Watering the spider plants 130 00:06:27,732 --> 00:06:30,907 and making cups of tea for the three other guys. 131 00:06:30,907 --> 00:06:32,978 And that was it. I was an artist. 132 00:06:34,808 --> 00:06:38,087 I almost went into the army, almost became a cop. 133 00:06:43,092 --> 00:06:44,852 I would have been a good soldier, I think. 134 00:06:44,852 --> 00:06:46,440 Would have been a good cop. 135 00:06:50,306 --> 00:06:52,377 Acting, really... 136 00:06:52,377 --> 00:06:55,173 acting kind of came out of the blue. 137 00:06:55,173 --> 00:06:57,727 One day I was hanging my coat up in the studio, 138 00:06:57,727 --> 00:07:00,281 talking to a colleague from the photographic department, 139 00:07:00,281 --> 00:07:02,456 talking about movies. 140 00:07:02,456 --> 00:07:04,182 And he said, "You should come along 141 00:07:04,182 --> 00:07:05,977 to the Oval House Theater." 142 00:07:05,977 --> 00:07:09,705 I said, "What is it?" And he said, "It's an arts lab. 143 00:07:09,705 --> 00:07:11,534 They do workshops." 144 00:07:11,534 --> 00:07:14,641 I went along and that was it. 145 00:07:14,641 --> 00:07:17,885 This other world revealed itself to me, 146 00:07:17,885 --> 00:07:21,095 and also my inner self too. 147 00:07:21,095 --> 00:07:23,063 And workshops, which were 148 00:07:23,063 --> 00:07:26,515 the beginning of my own analysis... 149 00:07:26,515 --> 00:07:27,792 as an artist. 150 00:07:27,792 --> 00:07:29,828 I got cast in an American production, 151 00:07:29,828 --> 00:07:31,347 "The Manions of America," 152 00:07:31,347 --> 00:07:35,385 six-part mini series on the Irish potato famine. 153 00:07:35,385 --> 00:07:38,078 So Ireland came back into me, 154 00:07:38,078 --> 00:07:39,838 came back into my life. 155 00:07:39,838 --> 00:07:43,014 I was unknown. My late wife Cassie said, 156 00:07:43,014 --> 00:07:45,050 "You know, we should go to America." 157 00:07:45,050 --> 00:07:46,983 I said, "How the hell are we going to go to America? 158 00:07:46,983 --> 00:07:48,847 We just bought this house in Wimbledon." 159 00:07:48,847 --> 00:07:51,471 She'd just done a James Bond movie, "For Your Eyes Only." 160 00:07:51,471 --> 00:07:53,127 I've done the six-hour miniseries. 161 00:07:53,127 --> 00:07:55,267 I said, "This is too stressful, no, no. 162 00:07:55,267 --> 00:07:58,063 I want to do a play at the royal court." 163 00:07:58,063 --> 00:07:59,824 And she said "No, we should go to America." 164 00:07:59,824 --> 00:08:01,791 I said, "But we don't have the money." 165 00:08:01,791 --> 00:08:04,276 And she said, "I'll find a way." And she did. 166 00:08:04,276 --> 00:08:07,970 She took out a second mortgage on the central heating. 167 00:08:07,970 --> 00:08:11,007 Sent me down to the bank manager in Raynes Park 168 00:08:11,007 --> 00:08:14,114 to get an overdraft for £2,000. 169 00:08:14,908 --> 00:08:17,669 Said I had a job. Big lie. Little lie. 170 00:08:17,669 --> 00:08:20,430 She was right, you know. She was absolutely 171 00:08:20,430 --> 00:08:23,123 on-the-nose, pitch perfect right. 172 00:08:23,123 --> 00:08:25,401 Got the overdraft. Freddie Laker used to do 173 00:08:25,401 --> 00:08:27,472 cheap flights to LA. 174 00:08:27,472 --> 00:08:29,439 100 quid. Bring your own sandwiches. 175 00:08:29,439 --> 00:08:32,650 Friend of mine said, "You can stay at our place." 176 00:08:32,650 --> 00:08:34,099 It was right there on the strip. 177 00:08:34,099 --> 00:08:36,826 Had a room in the back, a waterbed. 178 00:08:36,826 --> 00:08:38,828 Rented a car from Rent-A-Wreck. 179 00:08:38,828 --> 00:08:41,728 Got to Hollywood. Got an agent. 180 00:08:41,728 --> 00:08:45,076 Very first interview. Across Laurel Canyon. 181 00:08:45,076 --> 00:08:48,217 My God, here I am. I'm in Hollywood. 182 00:08:48,217 --> 00:08:49,736 I'm going for a job. 183 00:08:49,736 --> 00:08:53,222 I'm in this beat-up old piece of crap car. 184 00:08:53,222 --> 00:08:54,637 I'm going for a job. 185 00:08:54,637 --> 00:08:58,883 It blew up and I had to walk down, CBS. 186 00:08:58,883 --> 00:09:01,161 They were looking for Remington Steele. 187 00:09:03,508 --> 00:09:05,406 I said, "I'll do it." 188 00:09:05,406 --> 00:09:08,651 I screen tested. I got the job. 189 00:09:08,651 --> 00:09:12,034 I worked my tail off. It was so stressful. 190 00:09:12,034 --> 00:09:14,933 10, 12 pages a day, dialogue, 191 00:09:14,933 --> 00:09:17,073 but I was good on dialogue. I was fast. 192 00:09:17,073 --> 00:09:18,972 I played with a lot of alacrity. 193 00:09:18,972 --> 00:09:21,630 Back then I did, anyway, coming out of the theatre, 194 00:09:21,630 --> 00:09:24,115 coming out of English speaking theatre. 195 00:09:24,115 --> 00:09:25,703 Tongue. 196 00:09:25,703 --> 00:09:27,325 Precision. Precision. 197 00:09:27,325 --> 00:09:30,190 So I would rattle through the dialogue and they'd write more. 198 00:09:30,190 --> 00:09:33,745 You know, at this, I could make a career. 199 00:09:33,745 --> 00:09:35,816 How much pride did you have then 200 00:09:35,816 --> 00:09:38,543 when Remington Steele shot an episode in Ireland 201 00:09:38,543 --> 00:09:41,373 at a time when there was no real film or tv industry? 202 00:09:43,306 --> 00:09:44,825 Uh... 203 00:09:44,825 --> 00:09:47,241 Well, I was very proud. 204 00:09:47,241 --> 00:09:49,278 I think that's... 205 00:09:49,278 --> 00:09:51,245 probably an understatement. 206 00:09:52,212 --> 00:09:55,318 Here I am with an American TV series, "Remington Steele." 207 00:09:55,318 --> 00:09:56,561 I played Remington. 208 00:09:56,561 --> 00:09:59,840 It's 1984, the Olympic Games are coming to Los Angeles 209 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,394 and we decide to take the show abroad. 210 00:10:04,707 --> 00:10:06,847 And I said, well, 211 00:10:06,847 --> 00:10:09,263 "Remington is an enigma. We don't know who he is. 212 00:10:09,263 --> 00:10:11,438 Why doesn't he go look for his father?" 213 00:10:12,473 --> 00:10:15,580 Remington looks for his father, Pierce looks for his father. 214 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,033 It all dovetailed rather well. 215 00:10:20,033 --> 00:10:22,656 But I loved the movies. 216 00:10:22,656 --> 00:10:24,934 I wanted to be up there 217 00:10:24,934 --> 00:10:27,765 in some wild dream, some notion. 218 00:10:27,765 --> 00:10:29,870 But, you know, 219 00:10:29,870 --> 00:10:32,424 that's just a notion. That's just a dream. 220 00:10:32,424 --> 00:10:35,358 The actual practical doing of day-to-day living 221 00:10:35,358 --> 00:10:37,809 is get a job, go to work. 222 00:10:37,809 --> 00:10:39,846 Get a job, do it well, 223 00:10:39,846 --> 00:10:42,089 come home, do it again, 224 00:10:42,089 --> 00:10:43,850 as an actor. 225 00:10:43,850 --> 00:10:46,404 So Keely and I are still trucking down the road here, 226 00:10:46,404 --> 00:10:47,992 30 years, 227 00:10:47,992 --> 00:10:49,718 sorting the world out. 228 00:10:49,718 --> 00:10:51,581 And the boys are grown 229 00:10:51,581 --> 00:10:54,377 and we want to go back to Ireland to make movies. 230 00:10:54,377 --> 00:10:56,690 We have a couple of ideas, 231 00:10:56,690 --> 00:10:59,210 so we know enough people over there now 232 00:10:59,210 --> 00:11:01,074 to raise a bit of money and 233 00:11:01,074 --> 00:11:04,077 make a "fill-im." 234 00:11:04,077 --> 00:11:06,631 Welcome to the 20th IFTA Awards ceremony 235 00:11:06,631 --> 00:11:08,288 taking place here tonight 236 00:11:08,288 --> 00:11:11,118 at the Dublin Royal Convention Centre. 237 00:11:19,161 --> 00:11:20,541 I think what's quintessentially Irish 238 00:11:20,541 --> 00:11:23,579 is that whatever is happening at the time, 239 00:11:23,579 --> 00:11:25,995 we'll claim it. 240 00:11:25,995 --> 00:11:28,135 We're "glic out." We're clever, 241 00:11:28,135 --> 00:11:31,311 We claimed Obama. We claim whoever we want. 242 00:11:31,311 --> 00:11:32,657 I left when I was a young boy. 243 00:11:32,657 --> 00:11:33,796 I left when I was six. 244 00:11:33,796 --> 00:11:34,866 There's something about people here, 245 00:11:34,866 --> 00:11:36,385 they're so kind. 246 00:11:36,385 --> 00:11:39,629 In the darkest of times, there's a great sense of humor. 247 00:11:39,629 --> 00:11:42,011 My dad's homemade brown bread. 248 00:11:43,323 --> 00:11:45,325 That's what's quintessentially Irish to me. 249 00:11:45,325 --> 00:11:47,430 Are we good at trying to hide things from people, 250 00:11:47,430 --> 00:11:49,743 cover, you know... not being totally open? 251 00:11:49,743 --> 00:11:51,503 Sometimes, like, bare-faced honesty, 252 00:11:51,503 --> 00:11:52,850 and it's quite shocking. 253 00:11:52,850 --> 00:11:54,644 Brendan Gleeson, 254 00:11:54,644 --> 00:11:56,577 red hair, charming, 255 00:11:56,577 --> 00:11:58,269 gift of the gab. 256 00:11:58,269 --> 00:12:01,168 They're all Irish traits, I think. 257 00:12:01,168 --> 00:12:03,792 So it sounds like I'm in the tourist board now, 258 00:12:03,792 --> 00:12:05,621 but an openness, 259 00:12:05,621 --> 00:12:07,761 and maybe it's because of age 260 00:12:07,761 --> 00:12:09,936 and the difference between when I was young 261 00:12:09,936 --> 00:12:11,454 and what happened to the country. 262 00:12:11,454 --> 00:12:14,561 Suddenly there was this huge curiosity of the world. 263 00:12:14,561 --> 00:12:17,737 My missus is French, so I spent a lot of time in France. 264 00:12:17,737 --> 00:12:21,326 And their idea of who the Irish are 265 00:12:21,326 --> 00:12:23,604 is a great rootedness, 266 00:12:23,604 --> 00:12:25,020 a great openness, 267 00:12:25,020 --> 00:12:26,918 a great joie de vivre. 268 00:12:26,918 --> 00:12:30,508 We're a mysterious and complex people 269 00:12:30,508 --> 00:12:34,270 with lots of traumatic legacy behind us. 270 00:12:34,270 --> 00:12:37,135 A quintessential Irish characteristic 271 00:12:37,135 --> 00:12:39,344 has to be the Irish welcome. 272 00:12:39,344 --> 00:12:42,071 And it was something that I noticed living in London 273 00:12:42,071 --> 00:12:44,142 five years, took me a while. 274 00:12:44,142 --> 00:12:46,696 And I went back home and everywhere I looked, 275 00:12:46,696 --> 00:12:48,388 somebody was warm to me. 276 00:12:48,388 --> 00:12:50,700 Someone helped me, someone held a door for me. 277 00:12:50,700 --> 00:12:53,600 Someone said, "Oh, that's my favorite chocolate bar, too." 278 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,153 That's the Irish welcome. 279 00:12:55,153 --> 00:12:57,984 It expects nothing back in return except to 280 00:12:57,984 --> 00:13:00,952 give you a little bit of kindness in your day. 281 00:13:00,952 --> 00:13:03,437 And that, for me, defines Ireland. 282 00:13:03,437 --> 00:13:05,163 You say you're from Ireland and people 283 00:13:05,163 --> 00:13:06,889 immediately are warm to you. 284 00:13:06,889 --> 00:13:08,132 Other people get jealous, like, 285 00:13:08,132 --> 00:13:10,030 why does everyone like the Irish so much? 286 00:13:10,030 --> 00:13:12,653 You may find Irish people are socially 287 00:13:12,653 --> 00:13:15,104 or politically judgmental, 288 00:13:15,104 --> 00:13:18,487 but they're personally very tolerant. 289 00:13:18,487 --> 00:13:22,146 Are there quintessentially Irish characteristics 290 00:13:22,146 --> 00:13:23,975 or traits that you find? 291 00:13:23,975 --> 00:13:25,149 Of course there are. 292 00:13:25,149 --> 00:13:27,047 I wouldn't be here if there weren't. 293 00:13:27,047 --> 00:13:30,637 I'm married to an Irish girl and she's my savior. 294 00:13:30,637 --> 00:13:32,294 I'm Anglo-Saxon, 295 00:13:32,294 --> 00:13:34,641 with all the sort of heavy German boringness 296 00:13:34,641 --> 00:13:35,884 that that brings. 297 00:13:35,884 --> 00:13:38,610 And she is a Celt, a will-of-the-wisp, 298 00:13:38,610 --> 00:13:41,613 a difficult, edgy thoroughbred, 299 00:13:41,613 --> 00:13:45,341 and comes from a family of storytelling 300 00:13:45,341 --> 00:13:49,276 and comes from a country which has survived on that. 301 00:13:49,276 --> 00:13:52,383 There's something deeply... 302 00:13:52,383 --> 00:13:56,387 mystical and powerful about the Irish. 303 00:13:56,387 --> 00:13:58,182 What it is, 304 00:13:58,182 --> 00:14:00,253 it's very hard to define, 305 00:14:00,253 --> 00:14:04,291 but we certainly bring it out in song, in our writing, 306 00:14:04,291 --> 00:14:08,848 the way we spiritually kind of connect to the world. 307 00:14:08,848 --> 00:14:11,160 The idea of Irish has come 308 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,093 from the thoughts of Irish people, 309 00:14:13,093 --> 00:14:15,958 from the poets, to the history, to the language. 310 00:14:15,958 --> 00:14:18,167 But what is largely forgotten 311 00:14:18,167 --> 00:14:20,652 is the natural aspect of Irish, 312 00:14:20,652 --> 00:14:23,414 the plants. It's the nature, it's the landscape. 313 00:14:23,414 --> 00:14:26,796 We have certain natural characteristics as a nation 314 00:14:26,796 --> 00:14:29,385 to do with connectivity, to do with humor, 315 00:14:29,385 --> 00:14:32,043 and to do with, dare I say it, crack. 316 00:14:32,043 --> 00:14:34,356 -And what is crack? 317 00:14:34,356 --> 00:14:38,118 Well, let's just say it's not a legal substance. 318 00:14:38,118 --> 00:14:42,191 It is a spontaneous fun that the Irish have, 319 00:14:42,191 --> 00:14:44,435 the ability to laugh at ourselves, 320 00:14:44,435 --> 00:14:48,542 the ability to create a party for any occasion, 321 00:14:48,542 --> 00:14:50,890 and having good crack. 322 00:14:51,994 --> 00:14:54,031 I think compassion. 323 00:14:54,031 --> 00:14:55,756 I think we must have the courage 324 00:14:55,756 --> 00:14:58,311 to stand by our compassion. 325 00:14:58,311 --> 00:15:00,140 No matter what the adversity is, 326 00:15:00,140 --> 00:15:02,936 it's that incredible spirit of never giving up. 327 00:15:02,936 --> 00:15:04,524 I'm here. Yes, I have my hopes 328 00:15:04,524 --> 00:15:06,526 and aspirations and great dreams, 329 00:15:06,526 --> 00:15:09,184 but I fear nothing and so I'm free. 330 00:15:09,184 --> 00:15:12,566 That is what makes Ireland such a great country now. 331 00:15:23,853 --> 00:15:27,098 My wife, Greta, who's from Perth in Western Australia, 332 00:15:27,098 --> 00:15:28,928 her first day in Ireland, 333 00:15:28,928 --> 00:15:30,722 I tried and failed to find a pub 334 00:15:30,722 --> 00:15:33,277 that had traditional music, having promised her 335 00:15:33,277 --> 00:15:35,520 she would have this great treat of traditional music. 336 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,385 So I went into this pub and I was getting desperate, 337 00:15:38,385 --> 00:15:40,249 so I asked the lady behind the counter, 338 00:15:40,249 --> 00:15:42,217 "Do you know any place in Kenmare 339 00:15:42,217 --> 00:15:43,425 where there might be Irish music?" 340 00:15:43,425 --> 00:15:45,289 She said, "Sure, I'll play for you." 341 00:15:45,289 --> 00:15:48,085 And she pulled down a fiddle and started playing. 342 00:15:48,085 --> 00:15:50,225 She would play, she would finish, 343 00:15:50,225 --> 00:15:52,468 pull a few pints and start playing again. 344 00:15:52,468 --> 00:15:54,781 And for me, that was the essence of Ireland. 345 00:15:54,781 --> 00:15:56,127 That was Ireland at its best. 346 00:16:05,516 --> 00:16:06,620 And I can always say 347 00:16:06,620 --> 00:16:08,036 I played with the Irish Youth Orchestra. 348 00:16:08,036 --> 00:16:09,451 Can I say that? Can I say that? 349 00:16:12,902 --> 00:16:15,560 "Going to the pictures," that's a great phrase, 350 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,286 "Are you going to the pictures?" 351 00:16:17,286 --> 00:16:19,392 Michael D. Higgins is a great character, 352 00:16:19,392 --> 00:16:22,153 full of bonhomie and mischief. 353 00:16:22,153 --> 00:16:23,948 This passion for the arts and 354 00:16:23,948 --> 00:16:28,021 the creativity of souls and the harmony of people. 355 00:16:28,021 --> 00:16:31,024 Huge fan of Michael D. I think he's a great president. 356 00:16:31,024 --> 00:16:32,784 He's done a huge amount for the country. 357 00:16:32,784 --> 00:16:34,821 The present strength of a multi-skilled 358 00:16:34,821 --> 00:16:36,029 creative film community 359 00:16:36,029 --> 00:16:37,755 on the island of Ireland 360 00:16:37,755 --> 00:16:39,929 is the result of committed, 361 00:16:39,929 --> 00:16:42,035 loyal supporters of film 362 00:16:42,035 --> 00:16:43,657 and decades of work. 363 00:16:43,657 --> 00:16:46,660 I think it was very important that when I became 364 00:16:46,660 --> 00:16:49,387 the first Minister for Arts, Culture and the Gaeltacht, 365 00:16:49,387 --> 00:16:52,425 that I had experience with the community 366 00:16:52,425 --> 00:16:54,634 involved in filmmaking. 367 00:16:54,634 --> 00:16:57,154 So therefore it was never for me 368 00:16:57,154 --> 00:17:00,191 going to be simply a commodity. 369 00:17:00,191 --> 00:17:03,022 The late Prime Minister Albert Reynolds, 370 00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:04,609 he met me and he said, "Michael, 371 00:17:04,609 --> 00:17:06,301 what do you need to get it all going?" 372 00:17:06,301 --> 00:17:08,510 I said, "I can get all of this running quickly 373 00:17:08,510 --> 00:17:10,201 for 15 million." 374 00:17:10,201 --> 00:17:13,273 Everything I did was against the tide. 375 00:17:13,273 --> 00:17:14,550 I was accused regularly 376 00:17:14,550 --> 00:17:17,001 that I was building an empire. I was. 377 00:17:17,001 --> 00:17:18,520 We immediately, 378 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,971 immediately had five major projects. 379 00:17:21,971 --> 00:17:24,250 I knew that difficulties had arisen 380 00:17:24,250 --> 00:17:27,218 in relation to the making of "Braveheart" in Scotland. 381 00:17:27,218 --> 00:17:29,669 And Mel Gibson himself came 382 00:17:29,669 --> 00:17:31,533 and there was a four-hour meeting. 383 00:17:31,533 --> 00:17:33,431 We said, "We can help, yeah." 384 00:17:33,431 --> 00:17:37,021 At that meeting, Chris O'Grady negotiated 385 00:17:37,021 --> 00:17:40,576 30 first assistant posts at every level, 386 00:17:40,576 --> 00:17:43,510 including an assistant to Mel Gibson himself. 387 00:17:43,510 --> 00:17:45,685 And that became the model of our scheme. 388 00:17:45,685 --> 00:17:48,101 You could make any film in Ireland now 389 00:17:48,101 --> 00:17:50,414 and you wouldn't have a skill shortage. 390 00:17:50,414 --> 00:17:52,519 "Braveheart" came to Dunsany. 391 00:17:52,519 --> 00:17:55,522 The church scene, in which the French princess marries, 392 00:17:55,522 --> 00:17:57,662 was filmed right over there. 393 00:17:57,662 --> 00:18:00,182 I was ten years old, hiding in bushes, 394 00:18:00,182 --> 00:18:02,702 and there was this homeless-looking man. 395 00:18:02,702 --> 00:18:05,463 It was Mel Gibson, dressed in costume. 396 00:18:05,463 --> 00:18:08,087 Big biceps, not very tall. 397 00:18:08,087 --> 00:18:09,743 And I thought to myself, 398 00:18:09,743 --> 00:18:12,194 "There's the 'Lethal Weapon' guy." 399 00:18:12,194 --> 00:18:14,023 And I thought, "Isn't this fantastic?" 400 00:18:14,023 --> 00:18:16,198 And I followed him around 401 00:18:16,198 --> 00:18:18,925 from behind, peering, 402 00:18:18,925 --> 00:18:21,445 watching him direct, 403 00:18:21,445 --> 00:18:22,998 and I knew I wanted to do the same, 404 00:18:22,998 --> 00:18:24,517 and if I could have the biceps, 405 00:18:24,517 --> 00:18:26,760 that would also be good, too. 406 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,693 We have been very lucky in Ireland 407 00:18:28,693 --> 00:18:31,075 to have such outstanding acting talents, 408 00:18:31,075 --> 00:18:32,594 production talents. 409 00:18:32,594 --> 00:18:34,458 It tells us that you have, in fact, 410 00:18:34,458 --> 00:18:36,805 put a structure in place 411 00:18:36,805 --> 00:18:38,531 to make everything possible. 412 00:18:38,531 --> 00:18:41,741 Whatever small contribution my policies made, 413 00:18:41,741 --> 00:18:44,640 that was just a contribution to a structure 414 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,401 that makes other things possible. 415 00:18:46,401 --> 00:18:48,127 It had been my dream. 416 00:18:48,127 --> 00:18:50,715 Ross White, accompanied by Oscar. 417 00:18:51,716 --> 00:18:54,305 - Pleasure to meet you. - I saw your [indistinct]. 418 00:18:58,102 --> 00:19:01,312 It isn't just the director and the script writer. 419 00:19:01,312 --> 00:19:03,383 It's all those who make it possible, 420 00:19:03,383 --> 00:19:05,247 and those, in fact, actually 421 00:19:05,247 --> 00:19:08,492 who provide the hot meals at the breaks. 422 00:19:09,665 --> 00:19:11,011 The Republic of Ireland today 423 00:19:11,011 --> 00:19:14,774 is a country with a past that tugs at your heart 424 00:19:14,774 --> 00:19:17,777 and a future that's shaping the world. 425 00:19:17,777 --> 00:19:21,367 And it's a global force in culture and the arts 426 00:19:21,367 --> 00:19:24,439 and evidenced by the 14 Oscar nominations 427 00:19:24,439 --> 00:19:27,580 went to Irish artists this year, 428 00:19:27,580 --> 00:19:29,340 The pride, the bród, 429 00:19:29,340 --> 00:19:30,790 that we all felt like, seeing 430 00:19:30,790 --> 00:19:32,930 the Irish takeover at the Oscars. 431 00:19:32,930 --> 00:19:35,829 Best director, Best Actor, Best Supporting Actor, 432 00:19:35,829 --> 00:19:37,072 Best Supporting Actress, 433 00:19:37,072 --> 00:19:39,212 Best International Film for "An Calín Ciúin." 434 00:19:39,212 --> 00:19:40,317 It's extraordinary. 435 00:19:40,317 --> 00:19:41,870 I love that film. 436 00:19:41,870 --> 00:19:43,665 It just broke my heart 437 00:19:43,665 --> 00:19:47,496 because of my own aloneness as a child 438 00:19:47,496 --> 00:19:49,671 of being wanted or not wanted. 439 00:19:51,362 --> 00:19:53,640 You hear things, you see things. 440 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,196 "Calín Ciúin." Stunning piece of work 441 00:19:57,196 --> 00:19:59,474 by this man and wife team. 442 00:19:59,474 --> 00:20:02,477 It's lovely to see Irish films be celebrated. 443 00:20:03,409 --> 00:20:06,481 Colm Bairéad. 444 00:20:09,484 --> 00:20:11,210 We're the first Irish language feature film 445 00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:12,314 to be nominated for the Oscars 446 00:20:12,314 --> 00:20:13,660 and the first time an Irish film 447 00:20:13,660 --> 00:20:16,284 has been nominated in this particular category, 448 00:20:16,284 --> 00:20:18,596 which is the international film category. 449 00:20:18,596 --> 00:20:20,702 And of course, an Irish person is famously 450 00:20:20,702 --> 00:20:22,151 associated with the Oscars themselves. 451 00:20:22,151 --> 00:20:25,465 The golden statuette is designed by Cedric Gibbons. 452 00:20:25,465 --> 00:20:27,674 There's an Irish wave certainly coming to Hollywood. 453 00:20:27,674 --> 00:20:29,780 Hopefully the luck of the Irish will follow us, too. 454 00:20:29,780 --> 00:20:33,024 I was so moved by the warmth conveyed 455 00:20:33,024 --> 00:20:35,510 in the award-winning live action short film 456 00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:37,166 "An Irish Goodbye." 457 00:20:49,489 --> 00:20:52,423 "An Calín Ciúin," which made history. 458 00:20:58,395 --> 00:21:01,501 The journey has been absolutely extraordinary for us. 459 00:21:01,501 --> 00:21:03,607 It's been a complete whirlwind. 460 00:21:06,610 --> 00:21:08,646 We've been at the BAFTAs and the Oscars. 461 00:21:08,646 --> 00:21:10,338 - Now it's the IFTAs. - Yeah, I mean, 462 00:21:10,338 --> 00:21:12,823 I guess it worked out pretty well, right? 463 00:21:12,823 --> 00:21:16,067 Winning an Oscar is fantastic. 464 00:21:16,067 --> 00:21:17,690 And it's so special to be here tonight 465 00:21:17,690 --> 00:21:19,968 at the IFTAs, you know, the final stop on the journey. 466 00:21:19,968 --> 00:21:21,625 To sort of finish at home 467 00:21:21,625 --> 00:21:23,972 makes it extra special for us all. 468 00:21:23,972 --> 00:21:25,560 Quintessentially Irish. 469 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,217 I mean, we're great at congratulating ourselves. 470 00:21:28,217 --> 00:21:29,840 And here we are at the IFTAs. 471 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:30,806 Next presenter, 472 00:21:30,806 --> 00:21:33,326 the greatest man that ever lived, 473 00:21:33,326 --> 00:21:36,329 Mr. John C. Reilly. 474 00:21:39,746 --> 00:21:42,646 I know what you're thinking, 475 00:21:42,646 --> 00:21:44,475 What the hell is he doing here? 476 00:21:45,683 --> 00:21:47,927 Well, I couldn't get a seat at the Oscars 477 00:21:47,927 --> 00:21:50,550 because there are so many Irish people there this year, 478 00:21:50,550 --> 00:21:52,138 but I thought I'd try my luck here. 479 00:21:54,347 --> 00:21:55,693 The culture and traditional writing 480 00:21:55,693 --> 00:21:57,799 in this country is so profoundly rich, 481 00:21:57,799 --> 00:21:59,697 and there has been a real gear shift 482 00:21:59,697 --> 00:22:01,596 in terms of the way that Ireland 483 00:22:01,596 --> 00:22:03,045 is presented on screen. 484 00:22:03,045 --> 00:22:05,047 There's less of the old Irish tourist board 485 00:22:05,047 --> 00:22:06,152 presentation of this country. 486 00:22:06,152 --> 00:22:08,016 We've got great dramas and here we have a drama 487 00:22:08,016 --> 00:22:10,674 that's full of Irish women who look gorgeous. 488 00:22:10,674 --> 00:22:13,193 Nobody's peeling at any point in the kitchen. 489 00:22:13,193 --> 00:22:14,885 You know? It's just fantastic. 490 00:22:14,885 --> 00:22:17,094 And the winner is 491 00:22:17,094 --> 00:22:18,440 "The Banshees of Inisherin." 492 00:22:25,136 --> 00:22:27,725 Is part of the huge success of "Banshees" 493 00:22:27,725 --> 00:22:30,383 the fact that it's quintessentially Irish? 494 00:22:30,383 --> 00:22:35,215 No, I think it's a story told in a particular idiom. 495 00:22:35,215 --> 00:22:36,665 The fact that you can tell a story 496 00:22:36,665 --> 00:22:39,012 in the Irish idiom, in the Irish landscape, 497 00:22:39,012 --> 00:22:40,945 give it an epic quality, 498 00:22:40,945 --> 00:22:44,535 maintain a very ordinary sense of humanity within it 499 00:22:44,535 --> 00:22:45,847 and do extraordinary things with it. 500 00:22:45,847 --> 00:22:47,814 So that's where I think the success is. 501 00:22:47,814 --> 00:22:49,540 It's not that it's Irish, it's that it's good. 502 00:22:51,059 --> 00:22:53,579 What is so wonderfully, quintessentially Irish 503 00:22:53,579 --> 00:22:56,167 - about Sinead O'Connor? - Ooh! 504 00:22:56,167 --> 00:22:58,066 Goodness. Oof. 505 00:22:58,066 --> 00:23:01,966 I think her ability to tell very authentic stories. 506 00:23:01,966 --> 00:23:04,486 Her voice is quintessentially Irish. 507 00:23:04,486 --> 00:23:06,315 I think she sounds like a keening 508 00:23:06,315 --> 00:23:08,628 from the depths of ancient Ireland, 509 00:23:08,628 --> 00:23:10,492 the most fabulous icon 510 00:23:10,492 --> 00:23:12,425 we could be lucky enough to have. 511 00:23:12,425 --> 00:23:14,876 So, yeah, that's what I think about Sinead. 512 00:23:16,947 --> 00:23:19,743 So I was in a tiny little village 513 00:23:19,743 --> 00:23:22,021 in the south of France last week, 514 00:23:22,021 --> 00:23:23,919 and I went to the local village hall 515 00:23:23,919 --> 00:23:25,990 where there was a production 516 00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:27,958 of "Da" by Hugh Leonard. 517 00:23:27,958 --> 00:23:30,443 And I don't understand French, 518 00:23:30,443 --> 00:23:33,619 but opposite me were an Irish family 519 00:23:33,619 --> 00:23:35,483 who didn't understand French. 520 00:23:35,483 --> 00:23:38,831 And the rest of the hall was filled with 521 00:23:38,831 --> 00:23:42,351 French people who thought it was hilarious and very Irish. 522 00:23:42,351 --> 00:23:47,184 And there's this sense of the absurd, 523 00:23:47,184 --> 00:23:50,394 which the Irish absolutely, inherently, 524 00:23:50,394 --> 00:23:51,947 seemed to understand. 525 00:23:51,947 --> 00:23:53,777 Perhaps it's to do with the nature 526 00:23:53,777 --> 00:23:55,641 of the people in the country itself. 527 00:23:55,641 --> 00:23:57,850 Add to that the diaspora 528 00:23:57,850 --> 00:24:01,578 and the people who profoundly associate themselves, 529 00:24:01,578 --> 00:24:04,684 often mistakenly, with this country. 530 00:24:04,684 --> 00:24:07,376 Then you've got a lot of influence. 531 00:24:07,376 --> 00:24:09,137 We like society. 532 00:24:09,137 --> 00:24:10,552 We're not solitary people. 533 00:24:10,552 --> 00:24:12,692 That's why when we go abroad, we engage 534 00:24:12,692 --> 00:24:14,625 and we connect very well. 535 00:24:14,625 --> 00:24:16,696 I've been in many countries 536 00:24:16,696 --> 00:24:18,215 where I've seen Irish communities. 537 00:24:18,215 --> 00:24:19,423 They make an impact 538 00:24:19,423 --> 00:24:24,290 above and beyond what the numbers might suggest. 539 00:24:24,290 --> 00:24:25,533 As an island community, 540 00:24:25,533 --> 00:24:26,844 we're surrounded by the Atlantic Ocean, 541 00:24:26,844 --> 00:24:28,328 north, south, east and west. 542 00:24:28,328 --> 00:24:30,572 And we go beyond the Aran islands, 543 00:24:30,572 --> 00:24:31,918 then the next step after that 544 00:24:31,918 --> 00:24:33,713 is the east coast of America. 545 00:24:33,713 --> 00:24:34,990 We do travel. 546 00:24:34,990 --> 00:24:37,924 As a people, we have travelled far. 547 00:24:37,924 --> 00:24:40,720 Every corner of the world has an Irish man, 548 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,204 a woman there somewhere 549 00:24:42,204 --> 00:24:44,828 left to seek fame and fortune. 550 00:24:44,828 --> 00:24:47,209 The prime minister of New Zealand was called Muldoon. 551 00:24:47,209 --> 00:24:49,211 The prime minister of Australia was called Keating. 552 00:24:49,211 --> 00:24:50,627 The prime Minister of Great Britain 553 00:24:50,627 --> 00:24:52,007 was called Callahan. 554 00:24:52,007 --> 00:24:54,907 The prime minister of Canada was called Mulroney. 555 00:24:54,907 --> 00:24:56,840 The president of the United States was Reagan, 556 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,532 and--wait for it-- the president of France, 557 00:24:59,532 --> 00:25:01,534 de Gaulle, traced his origins back 558 00:25:01,534 --> 00:25:03,743 to the McCartans in County Down. 559 00:25:03,743 --> 00:25:06,953 It is kind of like an extraordinary empire 560 00:25:06,953 --> 00:25:09,749 which wasn't built by military might or force of arms, 561 00:25:09,749 --> 00:25:11,475 but just by the fact that so many people 562 00:25:11,475 --> 00:25:12,683 left this island. 563 00:25:12,683 --> 00:25:14,133 And the bad news is that, like, 564 00:25:14,133 --> 00:25:17,239 10 million people in history have left Ireland. 565 00:25:17,239 --> 00:25:18,931 But the good news is that 10 million people 566 00:25:18,931 --> 00:25:20,346 in history have left Ireland 567 00:25:20,346 --> 00:25:24,281 because what we now have is a phenomenal global tribe. 568 00:25:24,281 --> 00:25:26,870 We've no plans to invade anybody soon. 569 00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:28,699 I think the last time we had a home win was 570 00:25:28,699 --> 00:25:30,494 1014 against the Danes. 571 00:25:30,494 --> 00:25:32,772 We haven't had great success since then. 572 00:25:32,772 --> 00:25:36,327 You see manifestations of this Irish diaspora 573 00:25:36,327 --> 00:25:37,984 in all sorts of places, like James Hoban, 574 00:25:37,984 --> 00:25:39,676 who built the White House. 575 00:25:39,676 --> 00:25:41,332 And in these rooms, we see the dreams 576 00:25:41,332 --> 00:25:43,472 of one Irish builder made real. 577 00:25:43,472 --> 00:25:44,784 When George Washington 578 00:25:44,784 --> 00:25:47,994 chose James Hoban to design the White House, 579 00:25:47,994 --> 00:25:50,169 the young architect had his credentials 580 00:25:50,169 --> 00:25:51,826 from the Dublin Society. 581 00:25:51,826 --> 00:25:55,001 The Irish played a huge part in building America. 582 00:25:55,001 --> 00:25:57,521 A million people left Ireland 583 00:25:57,521 --> 00:25:59,178 mostly for the United States 584 00:25:59,178 --> 00:26:01,525 between 1815 and 1845. 585 00:26:01,525 --> 00:26:04,701 And they're established when the great famine wave comes, 586 00:26:04,701 --> 00:26:06,461 when 2 million people go. 587 00:26:06,461 --> 00:26:09,533 The Irish between 1815-1845 588 00:26:09,533 --> 00:26:12,260 are described as Protestant and prudent. 589 00:26:12,260 --> 00:26:15,470 They are now property owners in Boston and so forth. 590 00:26:15,470 --> 00:26:18,300 They're not necessarily welcoming 2 million people 591 00:26:18,300 --> 00:26:19,370 coming in on top of them. 592 00:26:19,370 --> 00:26:21,580 So you begin to get the scatter of the Irish 593 00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:23,167 throughout the United States. 594 00:26:23,167 --> 00:26:27,447 Most of them are descended from post-famine emigrants. 595 00:26:27,447 --> 00:26:30,934 And those people left Ireland with a sense of grievance 596 00:26:30,934 --> 00:26:33,971 about the circumstances that had led to their departure. 597 00:26:33,971 --> 00:26:35,663 When they arrived in America, 598 00:26:35,663 --> 00:26:39,356 they were not warmly received by Americans. 599 00:26:39,356 --> 00:26:41,910 There was a party in the 1840s and '50s 600 00:26:41,910 --> 00:26:43,774 that wanted to send the Irish home, 601 00:26:43,774 --> 00:26:46,225 and therefore they banded together. 602 00:26:46,225 --> 00:26:50,194 The Irish proved themselves to be assets to America, 603 00:26:50,194 --> 00:26:52,541 and that transformed the image of Ireland 604 00:26:52,541 --> 00:26:54,336 in the United States to the benefit 605 00:26:54,336 --> 00:26:56,511 of our country going forward from there. 606 00:26:56,511 --> 00:26:58,789 And one of the key moments was the Civil War, 607 00:26:58,789 --> 00:27:01,033 where Irish people joined the Union forces. 608 00:27:01,033 --> 00:27:03,276 Those who came into New York very often were recruited 609 00:27:03,276 --> 00:27:05,382 within weeks and were off fighting in the Civil War 610 00:27:05,382 --> 00:27:07,211 under the leadership of Thomas Francis Meagher, 611 00:27:07,211 --> 00:27:09,144 a good Waterford man like myself. 612 00:27:09,144 --> 00:27:12,596 Irish America is a remarkable phenomenon. 613 00:27:12,596 --> 00:27:15,944 Many Irish Americans are 4th, 5th, 6th generation, 614 00:27:15,944 --> 00:27:17,705 and yet a surprising number of them 615 00:27:17,705 --> 00:27:19,810 have an affinity with Ireland, 616 00:27:19,810 --> 00:27:21,294 an affiliation with Ireland, 617 00:27:21,294 --> 00:27:25,402 an affection for Ireland that is hugely beneficial 618 00:27:25,402 --> 00:27:27,438 from an Irish point of view. 619 00:27:27,438 --> 00:27:29,820 There's a difference between Irish-born people 620 00:27:29,820 --> 00:27:31,995 who live in the United States, for example, 621 00:27:31,995 --> 00:27:33,962 and Irish Americans. 622 00:27:33,962 --> 00:27:37,276 They are not the same people. They are different tribes. 623 00:27:37,276 --> 00:27:39,278 And very often people who may have a series 624 00:27:39,278 --> 00:27:42,039 of other ethnic definitions in their background 625 00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:44,283 don't choose them, but they choose the Irish one. 626 00:27:44,283 --> 00:27:46,734 The Americans want to love the Irish. 627 00:27:46,734 --> 00:27:50,116 They want to be more Irish than the Irish are themselves. 628 00:27:50,116 --> 00:27:51,497 I don't believe that Ireland would have 629 00:27:51,497 --> 00:27:54,431 become independent in the way it did in the early '20s 630 00:27:54,431 --> 00:27:57,054 had it not been for the influence of Irish America. 631 00:27:57,054 --> 00:28:00,333 And likewise, I'm not sure that the Good Friday Agreement 632 00:28:00,333 --> 00:28:02,128 would have emerged in in the way it did, 633 00:28:02,128 --> 00:28:04,061 but for the influence of Irish Americans, 634 00:28:04,061 --> 00:28:05,994 persuading the Clinton administration 635 00:28:05,994 --> 00:28:08,790 to take an active interest in Ireland. 636 00:28:08,790 --> 00:28:11,068 I remember being in Belfast during 637 00:28:11,068 --> 00:28:14,451 those months leading up to the final agreement in 1998. 638 00:28:14,451 --> 00:28:17,005 The word would go round-- the White House is on the line! 639 00:28:17,005 --> 00:28:18,455 Which meant that President Clinton, 640 00:28:18,455 --> 00:28:19,870 the busiest man in the world, 641 00:28:19,870 --> 00:28:22,839 was picking up the phone to ring politicians 642 00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:24,979 in Northern Ireland to urge them 643 00:28:24,979 --> 00:28:26,912 to make those final moves, 644 00:28:26,912 --> 00:28:29,535 to make a compromise and a settlement possible. 645 00:28:32,020 --> 00:28:33,815 You have all heard the expression, 646 00:28:33,815 --> 00:28:35,886 every St. Patrick's Day, 647 00:28:35,886 --> 00:28:37,336 every Irishman goes out 648 00:28:37,336 --> 00:28:39,372 to find another Irishman to make a speech to. 649 00:28:40,580 --> 00:28:42,237 Well, that's why I'm here. 650 00:28:43,549 --> 00:28:46,517 The St. Patrick's Day festivities in Washington, D. C. 651 00:28:46,517 --> 00:28:49,210 would not happen because Ireland's a jolly good country. 652 00:28:49,210 --> 00:28:51,971 No, it happens because Irish Americans 653 00:28:51,971 --> 00:28:53,939 are a jolly good community. 654 00:28:53,939 --> 00:28:55,837 You visited the White House. 655 00:28:55,837 --> 00:28:58,737 How proud were you to be at that reception? 656 00:28:59,668 --> 00:29:01,084 It was a proud morning. 657 00:29:01,084 --> 00:29:03,742 It was a chilly morning, but the food was good, 658 00:29:03,742 --> 00:29:05,536 the hospitality was great. 659 00:29:05,536 --> 00:29:08,436 President Joe Biden, he was very gracious to me. 660 00:29:08,436 --> 00:29:11,059 We had a good chat about Ireland and fishing. 661 00:29:11,059 --> 00:29:12,751 The taoiseach of Ireland. 662 00:29:17,238 --> 00:29:19,412 I don't know how many countries there are 663 00:29:19,412 --> 00:29:22,105 that have an annual date in the calendar 664 00:29:22,105 --> 00:29:23,831 for a meeting with the US president, 665 00:29:23,831 --> 00:29:25,591 the sheer extraordinary pleasure 666 00:29:25,591 --> 00:29:27,489 of an occasion like that. 667 00:29:27,489 --> 00:29:29,975 Some of my European colleagues in Washington 668 00:29:29,975 --> 00:29:31,666 were tearing their hair out at how 669 00:29:31,666 --> 00:29:33,979 we could pull off this one 670 00:29:33,979 --> 00:29:36,533 and have a full day in Washington devoted 671 00:29:36,533 --> 00:29:38,673 to Ireland's prime minister. 672 00:29:38,673 --> 00:29:40,226 And I know people at home in Ireland 673 00:29:40,226 --> 00:29:41,780 can be cynical about these things. 674 00:29:41,780 --> 00:29:43,609 "Oh, it's all a bit of blarney." 675 00:29:43,609 --> 00:29:44,955 No, it's not. 676 00:29:44,955 --> 00:29:47,475 You get a chance to sit down 677 00:29:47,475 --> 00:29:50,064 with the most powerful person in the world for an hour. 678 00:29:50,064 --> 00:29:54,068 And then you meet that person over lunch for an hour, 679 00:29:54,068 --> 00:29:55,932 and then you spend an hour with them 680 00:29:55,932 --> 00:29:57,865 in the evening at a reception at the White House. 681 00:29:57,865 --> 00:30:02,455 So this is an extraordinary blessing and boost for Ireland. 682 00:30:02,455 --> 00:30:03,974 Niall Horan. 683 00:30:06,943 --> 00:30:08,737 Happy Paddy's day, everyone. 684 00:30:11,016 --> 00:30:12,258 And for the Americans, 685 00:30:12,258 --> 00:30:14,260 that's not with two Ts, that's two Ds. 686 00:30:15,537 --> 00:30:17,850 When I was sat down to write my first album, 687 00:30:17,850 --> 00:30:19,093 the first thing that came to my mind 688 00:30:19,093 --> 00:30:21,820 was my hometown of Mullingar. 689 00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:24,926 And... emotional. Um... 690 00:30:26,238 --> 00:30:27,722 It's a song called "This Town," 691 00:30:27,722 --> 00:30:30,207 and it's about, effectively, 692 00:30:30,207 --> 00:30:33,383 an immigration song about traveling the world and 693 00:30:33,383 --> 00:30:36,800 knowing that I'll always have Mullingar to go back to. 694 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,767 And the chorus basically says, 695 00:30:38,767 --> 00:30:39,941 if the whole world was watching, 696 00:30:39,941 --> 00:30:41,460 I'd still dance with you. 697 00:30:41,460 --> 00:30:45,153 And it's effectively about my hometown. 698 00:30:45,153 --> 00:30:47,259 If you know the words, you can sing along. 699 00:30:47,259 --> 00:30:49,813 If you don't, good. That's fine, too. 700 00:30:51,125 --> 00:30:52,574 Where have you been hiding? 701 00:30:56,061 --> 00:30:58,097 It's a wonderful day to be Irish in London. 702 00:30:58,097 --> 00:31:00,789 We'll paint Trafalgar Square Green until Friday, 703 00:31:00,789 --> 00:31:02,722 and then we'll paint the England rugby team Green 704 00:31:02,722 --> 00:31:04,552 - on Saturday. 705 00:31:04,552 --> 00:31:05,933 Take it easy. 706 00:31:17,496 --> 00:31:19,739 We want to celebrate our Irishness, 707 00:31:19,739 --> 00:31:21,500 our language, personality, 708 00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:23,882 our love of music and literature, 709 00:31:23,882 --> 00:31:25,400 all aspects of life. 710 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,264 We celebrate St. Patrick's Day, 711 00:31:27,264 --> 00:31:29,059 and he might be Welsh or wherever he's from, but sure, 712 00:31:29,059 --> 00:31:30,543 all we want to do is party anyway. 713 00:31:30,543 --> 00:31:34,030 St. Patrick, who is known often as our patron saint, 714 00:31:34,030 --> 00:31:37,826 is ironic because he's not traditionally Irish, 715 00:31:37,826 --> 00:31:39,069 because he was a foreigner. 716 00:31:39,069 --> 00:31:41,313 Not Irish. That's very surprising to me. 717 00:31:41,313 --> 00:31:42,970 Was St. Patrick Irish? 718 00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:45,351 Of cour--no. No, he's actually English, 719 00:31:45,351 --> 00:31:47,595 and then he got taken into Ireland. 720 00:31:47,595 --> 00:31:49,286 I know the story. 721 00:31:49,286 --> 00:31:51,495 No, I don't believe he was. 722 00:31:51,495 --> 00:31:53,601 Is that meant to be a trick question? 723 00:31:53,601 --> 00:31:56,259 No, he wasn't, actually. But that's okay. 724 00:31:57,743 --> 00:32:00,539 He's a great brand ambassador. Do you know what I mean? 725 00:32:00,539 --> 00:32:03,542 It's great to have him. Don't like snakes, so. 726 00:32:03,542 --> 00:32:05,647 My only issue with St. Patrick's Day 727 00:32:05,647 --> 00:32:07,960 is why did we have to pick a festival 728 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,928 in the middle of March, which is usually 729 00:32:09,928 --> 00:32:11,826 the coldest month of the year, 730 00:32:11,826 --> 00:32:14,518 with an easterly breeze that cuts through everything. 731 00:32:14,518 --> 00:32:16,520 And as a child and as a grown adult, 732 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,626 standing by, reporting on things, 733 00:32:18,626 --> 00:32:21,594 I've stood around in the cold too often on St Patrick's Day. 734 00:32:21,594 --> 00:32:23,286 I wish we had it in June. 735 00:32:24,252 --> 00:32:25,702 He is buried in County Down, 736 00:32:25,702 --> 00:32:27,255 our neighboring county, 737 00:32:27,255 --> 00:32:29,292 and he was a shepherd on Slemish Mountain. 738 00:32:29,292 --> 00:32:30,914 We usually have a little get-together 739 00:32:30,914 --> 00:32:32,157 with friends and family. 740 00:32:32,157 --> 00:32:33,986 We have to keep that tradition alive. 741 00:32:35,712 --> 00:32:38,128 The palace is turned green. 742 00:32:38,128 --> 00:32:40,303 The Niagara Falls has been turned green. 743 00:32:40,303 --> 00:32:42,167 What I call the greening tower of Pisa. 744 00:32:42,167 --> 00:32:44,410 And now in the White House. An amazing feat 745 00:32:44,410 --> 00:32:47,172 that our country has that ability 746 00:32:47,172 --> 00:32:49,070 to appeal to people around the world, 747 00:32:49,070 --> 00:32:52,073 even those that have no... 748 00:32:52,073 --> 00:32:55,249 ancestral connection with Ireland. 749 00:32:55,249 --> 00:32:58,045 Thank you very much, those with links to Ireland. 750 00:32:58,045 --> 00:33:00,012 Those of us without links but pretend 751 00:33:00,012 --> 00:33:01,462 to have links with Ireland. 752 00:33:01,462 --> 00:33:03,774 We're really grateful for the massive contribution 753 00:33:03,774 --> 00:33:05,604 the Irish have made to our city 754 00:33:05,604 --> 00:33:09,159 in culture, in music and in the arts. 755 00:33:09,159 --> 00:33:10,885 Previous generations, the people that I met, 756 00:33:10,885 --> 00:33:12,852 the older people who were still there in Britain 757 00:33:12,852 --> 00:33:15,338 after maybe 50 years living in the country, 758 00:33:15,338 --> 00:33:18,237 they had built Britain, in many cases, with their hands. 759 00:33:18,237 --> 00:33:20,205 The Irish that came in the period 760 00:33:20,205 --> 00:33:22,690 leading up to my arrival in London, 761 00:33:22,690 --> 00:33:24,002 were designing Britain. 762 00:33:24,002 --> 00:33:26,314 They were actually operating at a very different level. 763 00:33:26,314 --> 00:33:29,110 The Irish have given some service to Britain 764 00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:31,492 over the years and we kind of run the place, 765 00:33:31,492 --> 00:33:33,494 really, if truth be known, you know. 766 00:33:33,494 --> 00:33:36,773 I mean, I don't think anyone would dispute that. 767 00:33:36,773 --> 00:33:40,535 All of you seem to have English accents. 768 00:33:40,535 --> 00:33:42,641 Do you consider yourself Irish? 769 00:33:42,641 --> 00:33:44,505 - Of course, yeah. - Of course. Of course. 770 00:33:44,505 --> 00:33:46,541 We just interviewed three of your friends. 771 00:33:46,541 --> 00:33:48,302 - Yeah. - Are they Irish? 772 00:33:48,302 --> 00:33:51,960 No, they're plastic paddies! I'm the only true Irish! 773 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,583 I feel sorry for plastic paddies. 774 00:33:53,583 --> 00:33:56,137 These are the people who truly want to be Irish, 775 00:33:56,137 --> 00:33:57,690 but don't know what Irish is. 776 00:33:57,690 --> 00:33:59,313 But a plastic paddy is a person who 777 00:33:59,313 --> 00:34:00,659 never grew up in Ireland, 778 00:34:00,659 --> 00:34:02,661 never grew up with any of the Irish traditions, 779 00:34:02,661 --> 00:34:04,283 doesn't know anything about Ireland, 780 00:34:04,283 --> 00:34:06,665 but would like to be Irish. 781 00:34:06,665 --> 00:34:08,736 Was that a bit cruel? 782 00:34:08,736 --> 00:34:10,117 There's quite a few of them. 783 00:34:11,118 --> 00:34:12,360 I know some people say, 784 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,914 "Oh, we should definitely cast those people aside." 785 00:34:14,914 --> 00:34:16,433 No, they're our people. 786 00:34:16,433 --> 00:34:19,850 Irishness comes in different shapes and forms. 787 00:34:20,713 --> 00:34:23,337 Plastic paddies, a really shameful description, 788 00:34:23,337 --> 00:34:25,994 because I think it's impossible actually to 789 00:34:25,994 --> 00:34:29,584 define Ireland without reference to its diaspora. 790 00:34:30,654 --> 00:34:32,449 First of all, they bailed us out, 791 00:34:32,449 --> 00:34:34,451 literally from the famine and beyond. 792 00:34:34,451 --> 00:34:36,419 And then the children of these Irish immigrants 793 00:34:36,419 --> 00:34:38,662 really valued their Irish heritage 794 00:34:38,662 --> 00:34:40,457 when they went to school and so on. 795 00:34:40,457 --> 00:34:43,426 They not only saw themselves as American or British, 796 00:34:43,426 --> 00:34:45,807 but they also were very proud of their Irish heritage 797 00:34:45,807 --> 00:34:47,706 and really put that on the table. 798 00:34:47,706 --> 00:34:48,638 And as a result of that, 799 00:34:48,638 --> 00:34:50,536 they faced a lot of discrimination. 800 00:34:50,536 --> 00:34:51,813 Then when they returned to Ireland, 801 00:34:51,813 --> 00:34:54,022 they weren't accepted as Irish either. 802 00:34:54,022 --> 00:34:56,991 So they really were isolated, shot by both sides. 803 00:34:56,991 --> 00:35:00,167 To throw an accusation that they aren't proper Irish 804 00:35:00,167 --> 00:35:02,686 is hugely insulting because they are, 805 00:35:02,686 --> 00:35:05,689 and because the current Ireland wouldn't be where it is. 806 00:35:05,689 --> 00:35:08,244 It wouldn't have the global networks 807 00:35:08,244 --> 00:35:11,212 that have enabled multinationals to locate here. 808 00:35:11,212 --> 00:35:12,972 You wouldn't have the social networks 809 00:35:12,972 --> 00:35:15,423 where people in Ireland can show up anywhere 810 00:35:15,423 --> 00:35:17,874 and there's a warm, welcoming hand. 811 00:35:17,874 --> 00:35:20,256 I don't think people on the island of Ireland 812 00:35:20,256 --> 00:35:22,637 are appreciative enough of 813 00:35:22,637 --> 00:35:25,571 what the international diaspora have done for us. 814 00:35:27,504 --> 00:35:30,266 My grandfather had a small 15 acres 815 00:35:30,266 --> 00:35:31,853 of very poor land in West Claire 816 00:35:31,853 --> 00:35:34,442 and got up every morning and milked four cows 817 00:35:34,442 --> 00:35:36,306 at 4:00 in the morning. 818 00:35:36,306 --> 00:35:38,826 And my father didn't want to inherit that. 819 00:35:38,826 --> 00:35:41,932 My father met my mother and they immigrated to New York. 820 00:35:41,932 --> 00:35:44,072 And my father got involved in the travel business 821 00:35:44,072 --> 00:35:45,315 with Thomas Cook, 822 00:35:45,315 --> 00:35:47,006 with Aer Lingus at Kennedy Airport, 823 00:35:47,006 --> 00:35:48,525 and then set up his own business 824 00:35:48,525 --> 00:35:51,735 and then did the typical paddy: came home to buy a pub. 825 00:35:51,735 --> 00:35:55,153 I think my family's story is just a mirror image 826 00:35:55,153 --> 00:35:57,569 of thousands more. 827 00:35:57,569 --> 00:35:59,985 When I'm doing an All-Ireland Hurling Final on the radio, 828 00:35:59,985 --> 00:36:02,229 I like to reach out not only to the Irish, 829 00:36:02,229 --> 00:36:03,954 but the descendants of the Irish. 830 00:36:03,954 --> 00:36:05,370 You are part of us. 831 00:36:05,370 --> 00:36:07,475 You might be 3,000 miles away, 832 00:36:07,475 --> 00:36:10,064 but no matter where you are, you are family. 833 00:36:10,927 --> 00:36:13,861 In times gone by, we had JFK coming to Wexford. 834 00:36:13,861 --> 00:36:16,415 We had Ronald Reagan. We had Joe Biden recently, 835 00:36:16,415 --> 00:36:19,349 who had clearly strong roots with Louth and Mayo. 836 00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:22,939 As the great-great-grandson of the Blewitts 837 00:36:22,939 --> 00:36:25,528 of County Mayo and several are here today... 838 00:36:25,528 --> 00:36:27,875 President Biden traces his Irish ancestry 839 00:36:27,875 --> 00:36:30,153 to County Mayo, as do you. 840 00:36:30,153 --> 00:36:31,327 What is it about the west? 841 00:36:31,327 --> 00:36:33,536 I don't know. 842 00:36:33,536 --> 00:36:36,746 There must be something in the air or the water. 843 00:36:36,746 --> 00:36:39,611 Don't get me wrong, I love the other parts of Ireland too, 844 00:36:39,611 --> 00:36:42,165 but it's true that the west has a special atmosphere. 845 00:36:42,165 --> 00:36:45,893 It's not an easy climate. It can be very wet and windy. 846 00:36:45,893 --> 00:36:48,067 That usually creates good character 847 00:36:48,067 --> 00:36:50,518 and toughness to face life. 848 00:36:51,761 --> 00:36:54,350 Every American president is a little bit Irish 849 00:36:54,350 --> 00:36:56,490 - on St. Patrick's Day. 850 00:36:56,490 --> 00:36:58,630 But some are more Irish than others. 851 00:37:02,012 --> 00:37:03,773 And, um... 852 00:37:03,773 --> 00:37:05,809 I think it's fair to say that today 853 00:37:05,809 --> 00:37:08,226 we're celebrating our national day 854 00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:09,710 with a president who is 855 00:37:09,710 --> 00:37:11,850 unmistakably a son of Ireland. 856 00:37:17,407 --> 00:37:19,098 Is Joe Biden Irish? 857 00:37:19,098 --> 00:37:22,274 I guess he thinks he's Irish and I guess that's what matters. 858 00:37:22,274 --> 00:37:25,208 If he wants to be Irish, let him be Irish. 859 00:37:35,839 --> 00:37:38,083 President Biden is considered so Irish 860 00:37:38,083 --> 00:37:40,741 that his Secret Service code name is "Celtic." 861 00:37:51,683 --> 00:37:53,340 AÁINE LAWLOR: The man is proud in his heart 862 00:37:53,340 --> 00:37:54,893 and his soul to be Irish, 863 00:37:54,893 --> 00:37:56,998 and we saw that on his visit here to Ireland. 864 00:37:56,998 --> 00:38:00,105 You know, that wasn't any political theatrics. 865 00:38:00,105 --> 00:38:03,626 As the Irish saying goes, "Your feet will bring you 866 00:38:03,626 --> 00:38:05,248 where your heart is." 867 00:38:05,248 --> 00:38:08,631 That was a real connection he'd made, all the way through. 868 00:38:08,631 --> 00:38:10,840 So you're not cynical about it at all? 869 00:38:12,082 --> 00:38:15,085 You know, politicians have hearts, too. 870 00:38:15,085 --> 00:38:17,881 Sometimes. 871 00:38:17,881 --> 00:38:21,678 Sentiment is a very powerful force in human affairs. 872 00:38:21,678 --> 00:38:24,371 The fact that Joe Biden is sentimentally Irish 873 00:38:24,371 --> 00:38:26,476 is, I think, a huge bonus for Ireland. 874 00:38:26,476 --> 00:38:28,547 Thank you. Thank you. Wonderful to be back. 875 00:38:28,547 --> 00:38:29,617 Mr. President, what are your 876 00:38:29,617 --> 00:38:31,826 quintessentially Irish characteristics? 877 00:38:35,140 --> 00:38:36,279 I'm not going to presume. 878 00:38:36,279 --> 00:38:37,867 I'll let others make that judgment. 879 00:38:37,867 --> 00:38:39,834 He's not just saying he's Irish for the crack 880 00:38:39,834 --> 00:38:41,664 or like, saying it to make people happy. 881 00:38:41,664 --> 00:38:43,976 He's obviously saying it to try and draw in 882 00:38:43,976 --> 00:38:46,669 other people who are loving their Irish roots. 883 00:38:46,669 --> 00:38:48,705 They're going to cash in on anything they can, 884 00:38:48,705 --> 00:38:50,569 but it made for an interesting view. 885 00:38:50,569 --> 00:38:52,019 Put it like that. 886 00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:08,518 President Joe Biden is a proud, patriotic American, 887 00:39:08,518 --> 00:39:10,934 but he's also someone who prides himself 888 00:39:10,934 --> 00:39:12,108 on his Irish heritage. 889 00:39:12,108 --> 00:39:13,420 And he is, by the way, 890 00:39:13,420 --> 00:39:17,009 the most Irish president since John F. Kennedy. 891 00:39:17,009 --> 00:39:19,805 And indeed, he's always wore his Irish identity 892 00:39:19,805 --> 00:39:21,738 on his sleeve, on his heart. 893 00:39:21,738 --> 00:39:23,257 Whereas in the case of Kennedy, 894 00:39:23,257 --> 00:39:25,811 Kennedy was a little more circumspect about it, 895 00:39:25,811 --> 00:39:27,641 because at that time, back in the '60s, 896 00:39:27,641 --> 00:39:28,883 being an Irish-American 897 00:39:28,883 --> 00:39:31,748 wasn't necessarily the advantage it carries 898 00:39:31,748 --> 00:39:33,647 in the years since that time. 899 00:39:36,408 --> 00:39:38,962 Presidents Joe Biden and Barack Obama 900 00:39:38,962 --> 00:39:42,310 have more in common than just being Irish-Americans. 901 00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:44,002 Both Biden and Obama are descended 902 00:39:44,002 --> 00:39:47,108 from Irish shoemakers who emigrated to the States 903 00:39:47,108 --> 00:39:48,593 in the 19th century. 904 00:39:53,770 --> 00:39:55,807 You know, I know it sounds silly, 905 00:39:55,807 --> 00:39:59,742 but there's so many Irish-Americans, 906 00:39:59,742 --> 00:40:02,745 like my relatives who got here, 907 00:40:02,745 --> 00:40:07,577 got to America in 1844, '45 and '46 908 00:40:07,577 --> 00:40:09,510 who've never been back here, 909 00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:10,960 and they talk about it. 910 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,514 Mr. President, why do Irish shoemakers 911 00:40:13,514 --> 00:40:15,067 make great presidents? 912 00:40:15,067 --> 00:40:16,206 Isn't that amazing? 913 00:40:17,311 --> 00:40:18,277 Isn't that amazing? 914 00:40:18,277 --> 00:40:20,797 My great-great-grandfather 915 00:40:20,797 --> 00:40:23,904 left from the same port 916 00:40:23,904 --> 00:40:28,771 five weeks later after Barack's great-great-grandfather, 917 00:40:28,771 --> 00:40:30,635 and the idea that they both would 918 00:40:30,635 --> 00:40:32,602 seek a new life 919 00:40:32,602 --> 00:40:35,847 and think that their great-great-grandsons 920 00:40:35,847 --> 00:40:37,158 would end up being president of the United States. 921 00:40:37,158 --> 00:40:38,574 That's remarkable. 922 00:40:38,574 --> 00:40:40,679 That's the Irish of it. 923 00:40:44,614 --> 00:40:46,202 President Barack Obama, 924 00:40:46,202 --> 00:40:49,964 he spoke eloquently about his Irish connections. 925 00:40:49,964 --> 00:40:53,658 The great landscape of history of Ireland and America, 926 00:40:53,658 --> 00:40:56,177 the men and women who created this country 927 00:40:56,177 --> 00:41:00,423 came out of desperate times, dark times, the famine. 928 00:41:00,423 --> 00:41:02,011 I love when Obama came to Dublin, 929 00:41:02,011 --> 00:41:05,290 his very funny speech about being Barack O'Bama 930 00:41:05,290 --> 00:41:06,947 from Moneygall, but somehow 931 00:41:06,947 --> 00:41:09,467 the apostrophe was dropped along the way. 932 00:41:53,614 --> 00:41:55,478 Mr. President, thank you for spending 933 00:41:55,478 --> 00:41:58,964 so much of your precious time on our beautiful island. 934 00:41:58,964 --> 00:42:01,311 Thank you for coming home to us. 935 00:42:10,044 --> 00:42:12,219 My name is Ricky Simms. I'm a sports agent. 936 00:42:12,219 --> 00:42:14,842 I'm from Milford in County Donegal. I live in Monaco. 937 00:42:14,842 --> 00:42:16,119 Growing up in Milford, 938 00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:17,707 which is a small village outside Letterkenny, 939 00:42:17,707 --> 00:42:18,777 it's a farming community. 940 00:42:18,777 --> 00:42:20,641 I was a sports-mad kid. 941 00:42:20,641 --> 00:42:22,125 I played all kinds of sports. 942 00:42:22,125 --> 00:42:24,300 My opportunity was with a club called 943 00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:25,404 Finn Valley Athletic Club, 944 00:42:25,404 --> 00:42:26,440 which was one of the biggest 945 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,752 athletics clubs in Ireland. 946 00:42:27,752 --> 00:42:29,650 I always say I was good in Donegal, 947 00:42:29,650 --> 00:42:31,272 but I never made it to the Olympic Games 948 00:42:31,272 --> 00:42:33,205 or the world championships. I was never really good enough. 949 00:42:33,205 --> 00:42:34,793 When I started working with the Kenyan athletes, 950 00:42:34,793 --> 00:42:36,519 I realized it was time for me to stop running, 951 00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:38,935 because they were way, way faster than I could ever be 952 00:42:38,935 --> 00:42:41,766 if I ate, slept and trained for the rest of my life. 953 00:42:41,766 --> 00:42:43,561 But I had a talent for organizing 954 00:42:43,561 --> 00:42:44,527 and managing and coaching, 955 00:42:44,527 --> 00:42:46,080 and coming from Donegal 956 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,117 doesn't mean you have to stay at home on a farm. 957 00:42:48,117 --> 00:42:49,946 You can go and try and do things around the world, 958 00:42:49,946 --> 00:42:51,396 and that's where I got really connected 959 00:42:51,396 --> 00:42:52,673 to international athletics. 960 00:43:02,752 --> 00:43:04,651 I met Sonia O'Sullivan, 961 00:43:04,651 --> 00:43:06,204 who was a big hero in Ireland, 962 00:43:06,204 --> 00:43:07,757 and her coach and agent 963 00:43:07,757 --> 00:43:09,276 was Kim McDonald, who ran one of 964 00:43:09,276 --> 00:43:11,899 the biggest athletics agencies in the world at the time. 965 00:43:11,899 --> 00:43:14,246 Traveling to world championships and seeing how it all worked 966 00:43:14,246 --> 00:43:16,870 gave me the appetite to have a career in that area. 967 00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:18,699 Mo started with us in 2000. 968 00:43:18,699 --> 00:43:20,770 Usain started 2003. 969 00:43:20,770 --> 00:43:23,428 In 2012, Usain was the face of the games. 970 00:43:23,428 --> 00:43:25,948 Mo was maybe the second most famous athlete there. 971 00:43:25,948 --> 00:43:27,846 One of the iconic photographs from 2012 972 00:43:27,846 --> 00:43:30,090 was of Usain doing Mo's celebration, 973 00:43:30,090 --> 00:43:31,712 then Mo doing Usain's celebration. 974 00:43:31,712 --> 00:43:32,851 That was a good picture. 975 00:43:32,851 --> 00:43:34,681 Who took that picture? 976 00:43:34,681 --> 00:43:35,751 So it was my idea to get a picture. 977 00:43:35,751 --> 00:43:37,338 Exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah. 978 00:43:37,338 --> 00:43:39,789 - I said, "Okay, let's get it." - Get a picture, yeah, yeah. 979 00:43:39,789 --> 00:43:41,722 There was probably 100 photographers, like, 980 00:43:41,722 --> 00:43:43,621 swarmed round and got the photo. 981 00:43:43,621 --> 00:43:46,071 If I'd got it myself, I probably could have sold it. 982 00:43:46,071 --> 00:43:47,659 We've been together so long, 983 00:43:47,659 --> 00:43:49,661 I have a lot of stories, so he's nervous. 984 00:43:54,217 --> 00:43:56,150 Yeah, we do. 985 00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:58,946 Ricky has meant a lot to my career. 986 00:43:58,946 --> 00:44:01,811 To find somebody that believes in you 987 00:44:01,811 --> 00:44:03,192 and believes in your career 988 00:44:03,192 --> 00:44:06,091 helps to propel you to be the best person you can be. 989 00:44:07,852 --> 00:44:09,232 It doesn't happen every day. 990 00:44:09,232 --> 00:44:12,684 When I started, I struggled a lot 991 00:44:12,684 --> 00:44:14,824 with injuries, ups and downs. 992 00:44:14,824 --> 00:44:16,619 It wasn't smooth sailing, 993 00:44:16,619 --> 00:44:19,001 but Ricky always treated me the same, 994 00:44:19,001 --> 00:44:20,554 and for me, that meant a lot. 995 00:44:20,554 --> 00:44:22,487 So when I actually made it, 996 00:44:22,487 --> 00:44:24,938 it was my way of showing, like, you know what? 997 00:44:24,938 --> 00:44:27,837 You were loyal to me, so I'm gonna be loyal to you. 998 00:44:27,837 --> 00:44:30,150 We have developed this big family 999 00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:32,117 that is just a wonderful thing. 1000 00:44:32,117 --> 00:44:34,982 One thing I would say about him 1001 00:44:34,982 --> 00:44:36,743 throughout the championship, 1002 00:44:36,743 --> 00:44:39,607 he's not--he's not as cool as he looks. 1003 00:44:39,607 --> 00:44:41,333 You know what I mean? He worries. 1004 00:44:41,333 --> 00:44:42,783 You know what I mean? No matter how well 1005 00:44:42,783 --> 00:44:44,198 I'll be doing through the season, 1006 00:44:44,198 --> 00:44:45,821 he's the worrier in the group. 1007 00:44:45,821 --> 00:44:47,823 He worries, you know what I mean? 1008 00:44:47,823 --> 00:44:49,479 - Thanks for adding that. - No, I'm just saying. 1009 00:44:49,479 --> 00:44:51,689 - You gotta have a Plan B. That's him. 1010 00:44:51,689 --> 00:44:53,345 You need a Plan C and a Plan D. 1011 00:44:53,345 --> 00:44:54,450 That's the only thing I would add, 1012 00:44:54,450 --> 00:44:56,866 that he's the worrier in the group. 1013 00:44:56,866 --> 00:44:58,488 This is why I enjoy being around him, man. 1014 00:44:58,488 --> 00:45:00,870 I'm always laughing. He just lighten the mood 1015 00:45:00,870 --> 00:45:02,285 so it's always a fun time. 1016 00:45:02,285 --> 00:45:04,011 Unless he's worrying about me. 1017 00:45:04,011 --> 00:45:06,738 So I'm funnier than I look? 1018 00:45:06,738 --> 00:45:09,292 I wouldn't go that far. But--but-- 1019 00:45:09,292 --> 00:45:10,811 You're--you're decent. 1020 00:45:12,261 --> 00:45:14,781 The Irish and the Jamaicans are very, very similar. 1021 00:45:14,781 --> 00:45:16,437 We don't take ourselves too seriously. 1022 00:45:16,437 --> 00:45:17,645 We like to have a bit of fun. 1023 00:45:17,645 --> 00:45:18,992 They love Guinness in Jamaica. 1024 00:45:18,992 --> 00:45:20,579 Actually, the most popular drinks 1025 00:45:20,579 --> 00:45:22,167 are Guinness and Hennessy. 1026 00:45:22,167 --> 00:45:23,651 Ireland's a cold Jamaica, 1027 00:45:23,651 --> 00:45:25,067 and Jamaica is a hot Ireland. 1028 00:45:25,067 --> 00:45:27,897 So for me, our cultures mash together, 1029 00:45:27,897 --> 00:45:29,796 and I think that's one of the reasons 1030 00:45:29,796 --> 00:45:32,971 why me and Ricky gets along so well. 1031 00:45:32,971 --> 00:45:35,042 One thing we have done throughout the years 1032 00:45:35,042 --> 00:45:36,975 is that we just become instinctive. 1033 00:45:36,975 --> 00:45:39,529 He understands me as a person. 1034 00:45:39,529 --> 00:45:42,118 He's watched me do so much interviews, 1035 00:45:42,118 --> 00:45:44,880 if you ask certain specific questions, 1036 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,469 he can answer exactly, almost word for word... 1037 00:45:48,469 --> 00:45:51,024 - I've heard it all before. - how I would answer questions. 1038 00:45:51,024 --> 00:45:52,853 I've never said this out loud, 1039 00:45:52,853 --> 00:45:55,304 but he has done a few interviews for me 1040 00:45:55,304 --> 00:45:56,408 without asking. 1041 00:45:57,996 --> 00:46:00,033 Usain Bolt has never actually been in Ireland, 1042 00:46:00,033 --> 00:46:02,690 which is quite hard to believe. 1043 00:46:02,690 --> 00:46:04,244 I hope he comes there one day. 1044 00:46:04,244 --> 00:46:06,142 It's not my fault. 1045 00:46:06,142 --> 00:46:07,799 - Oh, it's his fault. - It's his fault, yeah. 1046 00:46:07,799 --> 00:46:09,214 Definitely his fault. 1047 00:46:10,768 --> 00:46:11,872 Every time they ask me, I'm like, 1048 00:46:11,872 --> 00:46:13,943 "I'm waiting on Ricky." 1049 00:46:13,943 --> 00:46:16,497 I can't go without him. 1050 00:46:16,497 --> 00:46:18,603 So hopefully he'll make it to Ireland 1051 00:46:18,603 --> 00:46:20,156 and have a pint of real Guinness, 1052 00:46:20,156 --> 00:46:21,813 not the stuff he drinks in Jamaica. 1053 00:46:21,813 --> 00:46:23,470 The premiere of this film in Ireland 1054 00:46:23,470 --> 00:46:25,403 will be the-- This'll be the perfect-- 1055 00:46:30,166 --> 00:46:32,065 I went to a small school on Harcourt Street 1056 00:46:32,065 --> 00:46:33,445 in Dublin called High School. 1057 00:46:33,445 --> 00:46:35,447 Obviously, the most famous old boys, 1058 00:46:35,447 --> 00:46:37,587 we call them, was William Butler Yeats. 1059 00:46:37,587 --> 00:46:39,451 But he did mention about his time in High School. 1060 00:46:39,451 --> 00:46:41,937 He said, "My schooling interrupted my education." 1061 00:46:41,937 --> 00:46:43,559 I think that put the school 1062 00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:45,595 maybe on the back foot a little bit, I believe. 1063 00:46:45,595 --> 00:46:48,288 Yeats was very good friends with my great-grandfather. 1064 00:46:48,288 --> 00:46:49,841 In fact, they used to play chess. 1065 00:46:49,841 --> 00:46:51,049 My great-grandfather used to 1066 00:46:51,049 --> 00:46:52,533 beat the living life out of him in chess, 1067 00:46:52,533 --> 00:46:55,502 which I think created some awkward moments. 1068 00:46:57,884 --> 00:46:59,540 I'd like to think that Yeats 1069 00:46:59,540 --> 00:47:01,473 got a lot of influence from Dunsany, 1070 00:47:01,473 --> 00:47:04,200 because when you walk the lands of Dunsany, 1071 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,858 how can you not be absorbed by the nature? 1072 00:47:07,894 --> 00:47:11,656 My name is Randal Plunkett. I'm the 21st Lord Dunsany. 1073 00:47:11,656 --> 00:47:14,279 Once a bodybuilding meathead 1074 00:47:14,279 --> 00:47:16,523 to vegan rewilder 1075 00:47:16,523 --> 00:47:18,628 and protector of the animals here. 1076 00:47:19,975 --> 00:47:22,253 Here in Ireland, we are the oldest family 1077 00:47:22,253 --> 00:47:24,462 still associated with one place. 1078 00:47:24,462 --> 00:47:27,361 So among our people, we've had my father, 1079 00:47:27,361 --> 00:47:29,053 who was an artist, 1080 00:47:29,053 --> 00:47:30,951 my grandfather, who was a soldier 1081 00:47:30,951 --> 00:47:32,470 who fought Rommel in Africa. 1082 00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:34,852 Horace Plunkett, the founder of the co-ops, 1083 00:47:34,852 --> 00:47:36,992 helped start the Women's Association. 1084 00:47:36,992 --> 00:47:39,615 And he spent almost all our money 1085 00:47:39,615 --> 00:47:41,651 building 2,500 schools. 1086 00:47:41,651 --> 00:47:43,964 Because he had an idea, and the idea was, 1087 00:47:43,964 --> 00:47:45,172 we are now a republic. 1088 00:47:45,172 --> 00:47:47,312 But the way to truly be free 1089 00:47:47,312 --> 00:47:50,074 was to stand level with the British 1090 00:47:50,074 --> 00:47:51,765 through education. 1091 00:47:51,765 --> 00:47:53,180 Saint Oliver Plunkett-- 1092 00:47:53,180 --> 00:47:54,906 or Oliver Plunkett at the time--- 1093 00:47:54,906 --> 00:47:56,839 was arrested. They found him guilty, 1094 00:47:56,839 --> 00:47:58,703 and they hung, drew, and quartered him 1095 00:47:58,703 --> 00:48:00,394 and then set him on fire. 1096 00:48:00,394 --> 00:48:03,294 He looks a bit like my father even now, 1097 00:48:03,294 --> 00:48:04,674 so that's kind of grim, 1098 00:48:04,674 --> 00:48:06,745 and, in fact, I have the same bone structure. 1099 00:48:06,745 --> 00:48:08,609 And if you look... 1100 00:48:08,609 --> 00:48:10,404 here and look at the painting, 1101 00:48:10,404 --> 00:48:12,130 you will see some similarities. 1102 00:48:12,130 --> 00:48:13,891 Yes, we've been here a while. 1103 00:48:13,891 --> 00:48:15,616 Bit like that old pair of shoes 1104 00:48:15,616 --> 00:48:16,824 that you can't throw away. 1105 00:48:24,556 --> 00:48:27,007 So this is a large estate that was 1106 00:48:27,007 --> 00:48:28,664 traditionally a large farm. 1107 00:48:28,664 --> 00:48:31,391 Out of that, one third is rewilding. 1108 00:48:31,391 --> 00:48:34,532 Now, we removed chemicals, we removed farm animals. 1109 00:48:34,532 --> 00:48:36,430 We allowed everything just to become natural. 1110 00:48:36,430 --> 00:48:38,605 What happened was the succession plants came 1111 00:48:38,605 --> 00:48:40,365 and things just started booming, 1112 00:48:40,365 --> 00:48:43,092 and nobody understood. Nobody knew what I was doing. 1113 00:48:43,092 --> 00:48:45,681 So they thought I was a decadent millionaire 1114 00:48:45,681 --> 00:48:48,477 sitting on a good Meath land, wasting it, 1115 00:48:48,477 --> 00:48:51,307 something that his ancestors would be ashamed of. 1116 00:48:51,307 --> 00:48:53,102 People started seeing the animals. 1117 00:48:53,102 --> 00:48:55,760 He had salmon, otters, hares, deer, 1118 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,212 foxes and pine martin, red kites, woodpeckers, 1119 00:48:59,212 --> 00:49:01,697 drilling away in the morning, keeping me up. 1120 00:49:01,697 --> 00:49:05,149 We embrace the smaller things of being Irish. 1121 00:49:06,633 --> 00:49:09,153 This is not a museum, and yet it is a museum. 1122 00:49:09,153 --> 00:49:12,018 It's a home, but a home that is also a museum. 1123 00:49:12,018 --> 00:49:14,986 I don't consider myself to be an owner. I don't own this. 1124 00:49:14,986 --> 00:49:17,402 I'm a caretaker, a steward, 1125 00:49:17,402 --> 00:49:20,198 and I have a little tradition, and it's a family tradition. 1126 00:49:20,198 --> 00:49:22,718 The next generation decides whether you have 1127 00:49:22,718 --> 00:49:25,134 earned a place on that wall. 1128 00:49:27,654 --> 00:49:28,758 You know, everything that we have 1129 00:49:28,758 --> 00:49:31,485 in this place is donated to us by a Dubliner. 1130 00:49:31,485 --> 00:49:32,728 One day we had 1131 00:49:32,728 --> 00:49:34,074 a "'lecky," an electrician, 1132 00:49:34,074 --> 00:49:36,594 in fixing the lights here in the museum. 1133 00:49:36,594 --> 00:49:38,147 When this electrician was a boy, 1134 00:49:38,147 --> 00:49:39,907 he was asked by his teacher 1135 00:49:39,907 --> 00:49:41,909 to write a letter to someone 1136 00:49:41,909 --> 00:49:43,014 who used to live in his house. 1137 00:49:43,014 --> 00:49:44,188 And him and his family went back 1138 00:49:44,188 --> 00:49:45,292 and they did a bit of research, 1139 00:49:45,292 --> 00:49:46,604 and they found out, lo and behold, 1140 00:49:46,604 --> 00:49:49,572 Sam Beckett himself used to live in his house. 1141 00:49:49,572 --> 00:49:50,988 And he wrote to Sam. 1142 00:49:50,988 --> 00:49:53,852 Samuel wrote back, talking about his love for the house, 1143 00:49:53,852 --> 00:49:57,132 his memories with his brother, the room that he was born in. 1144 00:49:57,132 --> 00:49:58,788 Genius, as always, Beckett signs it. 1145 00:49:58,788 --> 00:50:01,757 "If you ever see my ghost in house or grounds, 1146 00:50:01,757 --> 00:50:03,241 "give it my regards. 1147 00:50:03,241 --> 00:50:05,830 Yours antiquatedly, Sam Beckett." 1148 00:50:05,830 --> 00:50:07,625 Oscar is, I think, 1149 00:50:07,625 --> 00:50:10,248 one of the most quintessential Dubliners, 1150 00:50:10,248 --> 00:50:12,733 you know, for one, because he didn't stay. 1151 00:50:12,733 --> 00:50:14,701 Many think that he's British. 1152 00:50:14,701 --> 00:50:18,532 Oscar Wilde, of course, quintessential Londoner. 1153 00:50:18,532 --> 00:50:21,501 I still quote Wilde now in my speeches. 1154 00:50:21,501 --> 00:50:24,400 One of my favorite Oscar Wilde quotes is, 1155 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,093 and it applies to this Tory government. 1156 00:50:27,093 --> 00:50:28,473 "They know the price of everything 1157 00:50:28,473 --> 00:50:30,510 but the value of nothing." 1158 00:50:30,510 --> 00:50:32,926 Can you quote any James Joyce? 1159 00:50:32,926 --> 00:50:36,205 Oh, God. And I've just been playing James Joyce. 1160 00:50:36,205 --> 00:50:38,345 That's a low blow. That's a low blow. 1161 00:50:38,345 --> 00:50:39,829 James Joyce, for me, is 1162 00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:42,798 the greatest novelist of the 20th century. 1163 00:50:42,798 --> 00:50:45,697 He left Ireland as a young man in 1904. 1164 00:50:45,697 --> 00:50:47,768 In the last 37 years of his life, 1165 00:50:47,768 --> 00:50:49,805 he only returned to Ireland three times, 1166 00:50:49,805 --> 00:50:51,496 and yet practically everything he wrote 1167 00:50:51,496 --> 00:50:54,085 was set in the Ireland he left in 1904. 1168 00:50:54,085 --> 00:50:55,466 And he wrote about that incessantly, 1169 00:50:55,466 --> 00:50:57,675 and forensically, and brilliantly. 1170 00:50:57,675 --> 00:51:00,298 He gives us a picture of this country 1171 00:51:00,298 --> 00:51:02,507 which is an Ireland on the cusp of change. 1172 00:51:02,507 --> 00:51:04,785 The great political transformation took place 1173 00:51:04,785 --> 00:51:08,272 a decade later when Joyce was already writing "Ulysses." 1174 00:51:08,272 --> 00:51:10,929 What people don't maybe know enough 1175 00:51:10,929 --> 00:51:14,416 in relation to Joyce's continual contact with Ireland 1176 00:51:14,416 --> 00:51:16,107 as it was being heard, 1177 00:51:16,107 --> 00:51:18,247 was he kept Raidió EÉirea on 1178 00:51:18,247 --> 00:51:21,319 practically day and night as his sight was fading. 1179 00:51:21,319 --> 00:51:25,427 When he was buried, the local ambassador writes over 1180 00:51:25,427 --> 00:51:27,567 to the Secretary of the Department of Foreign Affairs, 1181 00:51:27,567 --> 00:51:30,501 and the question is, "Did he die a Catholic?" 1182 00:51:30,501 --> 00:51:34,194 "If he didn't, better to be safe" and so forth. 1183 00:51:34,194 --> 00:51:35,816 For goodness' sake. 1184 00:51:35,816 --> 00:51:38,267 Well, I have seen James Joyce's passports 1185 00:51:38,267 --> 00:51:40,545 on display at the University of Buffalo, 1186 00:51:40,545 --> 00:51:42,478 where they have a huge collection of Joyce material, 1187 00:51:42,478 --> 00:51:45,032 and they are both British passports. 1188 00:51:45,032 --> 00:51:46,379 James Joyce famously 1189 00:51:46,379 --> 00:51:47,863 didn't have an Irish passport. 1190 00:51:47,863 --> 00:51:49,416 - Yeah, yeah. - He traveled on a British one. 1191 00:51:49,416 --> 00:51:50,762 Does that make him any less Irish? 1192 00:51:50,762 --> 00:51:52,730 No, it doesn't. It absolutely doesn't, 1193 00:51:52,730 --> 00:51:54,766 particularly for what he's done for our country. 1194 00:51:54,766 --> 00:51:56,665 James Joyce actually set up 1195 00:51:56,665 --> 00:51:59,702 the first-ever cinema in Ireland. 1196 00:51:59,702 --> 00:52:01,325 Did he? I never knew that. 1197 00:52:01,325 --> 00:52:02,395 Does it still exist? 1198 00:52:02,395 --> 00:52:03,568 There's a Penneys 1199 00:52:03,568 --> 00:52:05,536 commemorating the Volta cinema. 1200 00:52:05,536 --> 00:52:07,434 What a shame it's not there still. 1201 00:52:07,434 --> 00:52:08,849 Have to do with the plaque. 1202 00:52:08,849 --> 00:52:11,645 James Joyce should be acknowledged 1203 00:52:11,645 --> 00:52:15,270 for his forward thinking and his passion for cinema. 1204 00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:17,582 Yes. Not many people know. 1205 00:52:17,582 --> 00:52:19,550 He saw, I think, very early on, 1206 00:52:19,550 --> 00:52:20,861 and it's there in the writing 1207 00:52:20,861 --> 00:52:23,761 of how images are very important. 1208 00:52:23,761 --> 00:52:26,384 It didn't succeed not because of Joyce, 1209 00:52:26,384 --> 00:52:28,628 but rather because it was specializing 1210 00:52:28,628 --> 00:52:30,630 in international and foreign cinema, 1211 00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:32,494 and the market for that in Ireland at that time 1212 00:52:32,494 --> 00:52:34,634 simply wasn't great enough to be able 1213 00:52:34,634 --> 00:52:37,326 to sustain a venture of that kind. 1214 00:52:45,852 --> 00:52:47,716 Well, it's Bloomsday today. 1215 00:52:47,716 --> 00:52:50,684 The festival is normally a week after Bloomsday, 1216 00:52:50,684 --> 00:52:53,066 but it corresponds today, and so we did a reading 1217 00:52:53,066 --> 00:52:54,516 this morning, my wife and I, 1218 00:52:54,516 --> 00:52:57,864 to celebrate one of Ireland's greatest writers, Joyce. 1219 00:52:57,864 --> 00:52:59,728 "Quick warm sunlight 1220 00:52:59,728 --> 00:53:03,387 "came running from Berkeley Road swiftly, 1221 00:53:03,387 --> 00:53:08,219 "in slim sandals, along the brightening footpath. 1222 00:53:08,219 --> 00:53:12,499 "Runs... she runs to meet me, 1223 00:53:12,499 --> 00:53:16,020 a girl with golden hair on the wind." 1224 00:53:16,020 --> 00:53:18,574 To be able to read that aloud... 1225 00:53:19,782 --> 00:53:22,268 hopefully will open up the book 1226 00:53:22,268 --> 00:53:24,097 for some people who maybe 1227 00:53:24,097 --> 00:53:25,271 didn't get all the way through it 1228 00:53:25,271 --> 00:53:27,445 or never read Joyce. 1229 00:53:27,445 --> 00:53:28,791 You know, I'm an Englishman. 1230 00:53:28,791 --> 00:53:30,690 I was glad the audience seemed to accept 1231 00:53:30,690 --> 00:53:32,554 that I didn't have an Irish accent. 1232 00:53:32,554 --> 00:53:35,729 My wife made up for that with her Molly. 1233 00:53:35,729 --> 00:53:37,317 "She doubled a slice of bread 1234 00:53:37,317 --> 00:53:38,905 into her mouth, asking, 1235 00:53:38,905 --> 00:53:40,700 What time's the funeral? 1236 00:53:43,703 --> 00:53:47,465 "Eleven, I think," he answered. "I didn't see the paper." 1237 00:53:47,465 --> 00:53:49,295 The audience certainly seemed to accept it 1238 00:53:49,295 --> 00:53:52,194 because in a way, the accent isn't important 1239 00:53:52,194 --> 00:53:54,161 if it doesn't ring out of the dialogue, 1240 00:53:54,161 --> 00:53:56,474 which with Bloom, it doesn't really. 1241 00:53:56,474 --> 00:53:58,856 "Did Roberts pay you yet?" 1242 00:53:58,856 --> 00:54:00,961 "9:20." 1243 00:54:00,961 --> 00:54:03,654 "What had Greta Conroy on?" 1244 00:54:03,654 --> 00:54:05,966 "9:23." 1245 00:54:05,966 --> 00:54:08,659 "What possessed me to buy this comb?" 1246 00:54:08,659 --> 00:54:10,074 "9:24." 1247 00:54:10,074 --> 00:54:13,319 I hope a lot of people will go to the library here, 1248 00:54:13,319 --> 00:54:16,770 buy a volume and take it home and try it, 1249 00:54:16,770 --> 00:54:18,979 realize that it's not as impenetrable 1250 00:54:18,979 --> 00:54:20,533 as people sometimes think. 1251 00:54:20,533 --> 00:54:23,915 "He allowed his bowels to ease themselves quietly 1252 00:54:23,915 --> 00:54:25,469 "as he read, 1253 00:54:25,469 --> 00:54:28,403 "reading still patiently, 1254 00:54:28,403 --> 00:54:31,302 that slight constipation of yesterday quite gone." 1255 00:54:33,753 --> 00:54:38,067 "Hope it's not too big. Bring on piles again. 1256 00:54:38,067 --> 00:54:40,069 No, no, just right." 1257 00:54:42,313 --> 00:54:44,350 In England we tend to have-- 1258 00:54:44,350 --> 00:54:45,834 I swear, I mustn't generalize, 1259 00:54:45,834 --> 00:54:48,595 but we tend to have rock festivals everywhere. 1260 00:54:48,595 --> 00:54:51,046 In Ireland it's slightly more 1261 00:54:51,046 --> 00:54:52,910 mixed in its culture. 1262 00:54:52,910 --> 00:54:55,361 I mean, of course, we do have rock festivals here too, 1263 00:54:55,361 --> 00:54:56,879 but there's other stuff. 1264 00:54:56,879 --> 00:54:59,779 I think it's all part of the fabric of this society 1265 00:54:59,779 --> 00:55:03,541 and the society I'm very pleased to be a-blowin' in. 1266 00:55:03,541 --> 00:55:06,061 It's a wonderful weekend. I don't want too many people 1267 00:55:06,061 --> 00:55:08,374 to come because then it'll get too big. 1268 00:55:08,374 --> 00:55:10,686 The occasional person should come. 1269 00:55:11,756 --> 00:55:15,864 James Joyce. WB Yeats. Jack Yeats. 1270 00:55:18,004 --> 00:55:19,902 I started to collect Irish paintings 1271 00:55:19,902 --> 00:55:21,421 when I started to have some money. 1272 00:55:21,421 --> 00:55:23,941 Art is something you don't buy for profit. 1273 00:55:23,941 --> 00:55:26,288 You buy for what you enjoy the look of it. 1274 00:55:26,288 --> 00:55:28,083 And it's only when it's not there 1275 00:55:28,083 --> 00:55:29,429 that you actually miss it, 1276 00:55:29,429 --> 00:55:32,708 because you take it for granted after a period of time. 1277 00:55:32,708 --> 00:55:34,261 But when you just take it off the wall, 1278 00:55:34,261 --> 00:55:36,367 even if it's loaned it to a museum, which I did, it's-- 1279 00:55:36,367 --> 00:55:37,851 "Where's my painting?" 1280 00:55:37,851 --> 00:55:41,338 I'd be shocked. The room was totally dead. 1281 00:55:41,338 --> 00:55:44,202 And I found that, to my horror, loaning a painting, 1282 00:55:44,202 --> 00:55:47,689 I was giving a bit of myself away for that period of time. 1283 00:55:47,689 --> 00:55:48,621 Did you know that there was 1284 00:55:48,621 --> 00:55:51,071 a big art robbery in the Tate? 1285 00:55:51,071 --> 00:55:53,833 No, I didn't. How did they get away with that? 1286 00:55:53,833 --> 00:55:57,354 Oh, she was beautiful painter. Yeah, I remember this. 1287 00:55:57,354 --> 00:55:59,701 The theft in 1956 1288 00:55:59,701 --> 00:56:02,773 of a priceless piece of French impressionist art 1289 00:56:02,773 --> 00:56:04,844 from the Tate Gallery in London 1290 00:56:04,844 --> 00:56:07,950 was the art heist of the century. 1291 00:56:09,089 --> 00:56:12,299 Hugh Lane was born in Cork of modest means. 1292 00:56:12,299 --> 00:56:14,301 He came to London and became 1293 00:56:14,301 --> 00:56:16,511 the preeminent art dealer 1294 00:56:16,511 --> 00:56:18,651 for British and international art. 1295 00:56:18,651 --> 00:56:22,379 Hugh Lane opened the first contemporary art gallery. 1296 00:56:22,379 --> 00:56:23,552 He wanted Dublin, Ireland, 1297 00:56:23,552 --> 00:56:25,312 to have its own contemporary art gallery 1298 00:56:25,312 --> 00:56:29,006 and left this incredible bequest of contemporary art. 1299 00:56:29,006 --> 00:56:31,353 He was quite in debt at this stage and 1300 00:56:31,353 --> 00:56:33,079 he had arranged a great sale 1301 00:56:33,079 --> 00:56:34,943 which he personally had to go to the States on. 1302 00:56:34,943 --> 00:56:36,600 He had some kind of a premonition, 1303 00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,567 and he changed his will, 1304 00:56:38,567 --> 00:56:40,845 which had gifted and granted 1305 00:56:40,845 --> 00:56:42,606 his private personal collection 1306 00:56:42,606 --> 00:56:44,124 to the National Gallery of Ireland, 1307 00:56:44,124 --> 00:56:46,333 to the people of Dublin. 1308 00:56:46,333 --> 00:56:49,509 That will had not been witnessed. 1309 00:56:49,509 --> 00:56:52,616 Sir Hugh Lane went down in the Lusitania 1310 00:56:52,616 --> 00:56:56,274 and could not see his great desire and ambition 1311 00:56:56,274 --> 00:56:59,174 to create a world class collection 1312 00:56:59,174 --> 00:57:01,141 of impressionist art in Dublin. 1313 00:57:01,141 --> 00:57:04,041 Monets, Manets, Renoirs, 1314 00:57:04,041 --> 00:57:06,526 the Tate gallery here held onto them. 1315 00:57:06,526 --> 00:57:07,734 "They're too good for you. 1316 00:57:07,734 --> 00:57:09,046 "You haven't got somewhere to put them, 1317 00:57:09,046 --> 00:57:11,082 and then it'd be lost, it'd be wasted on you." 1318 00:57:11,082 --> 00:57:13,637 My uncle decides 1319 00:57:13,637 --> 00:57:15,639 that he's going to right this historical wrong. 1320 00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:17,882 Paul and Billy were doing this 1321 00:57:17,882 --> 00:57:20,298 out of a sense of moral righteousness. 1322 00:57:20,298 --> 00:57:23,094 51 years after the will was made, 1323 00:57:23,094 --> 00:57:25,200 the moment came. The guards were off, 1324 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:26,512 and they go about the heist. 1325 00:57:26,512 --> 00:57:28,514 "Jour D'EÉté" by Berthe Morisot 1326 00:57:28,514 --> 00:57:29,860 is the picture they're going to swipe. 1327 00:57:29,860 --> 00:57:32,518 Uncle Paul lifted it off the wall, 1328 00:57:32,518 --> 00:57:34,174 walked out the door. 1329 00:57:34,174 --> 00:57:36,004 The photographer was waiting as planned, 1330 00:57:36,004 --> 00:57:38,731 and took the iconic picture. 1331 00:57:38,731 --> 00:57:42,044 All of the papers globally had printed the picture 1332 00:57:42,044 --> 00:57:45,013 knocked off all of the stories from the world headlines, 1333 00:57:45,013 --> 00:57:47,843 including the marriage of Grace Kelly to Prince Ranier, 1334 00:57:47,843 --> 00:57:50,812 drawing attention to a...a... 1335 00:57:50,812 --> 00:57:54,160 a kind of great national outrage 1336 00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,921 that had been committed upon the people of Ireland. 1337 00:57:56,921 --> 00:57:58,578 That sounds ridiculous! 1338 00:57:58,578 --> 00:58:00,235 It's not ridiculous. 1339 00:58:00,235 --> 00:58:01,339 That's not ridiculous. 1340 00:58:01,339 --> 00:58:04,722 I'm making it sound like the famine here. 1341 00:58:04,722 --> 00:58:07,553 If we can at least get it back onto Irish soil, 1342 00:58:07,553 --> 00:58:09,313 the gesture will have been made. 1343 00:58:09,313 --> 00:58:11,798 The Irish embassy in London immediately handed it back. 1344 00:58:11,798 --> 00:58:14,560 "The Independent" in London managed to get hold 1345 00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:18,080 of a redacted file on the events. 1346 00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:19,875 And it was quite clear 1347 00:58:19,875 --> 00:58:22,188 that at the highest ministerial level 1348 00:58:22,188 --> 00:58:24,742 in the British government, the decision was made 1349 00:58:24,742 --> 00:58:28,815 not to make martyrs of Paul Hogan and Bill Fogerty. 1350 00:58:28,815 --> 00:58:30,921 Sarsfield Hogan, my grandfather, 1351 00:58:30,921 --> 00:58:35,650 was called by Dubliner DCI McGraw of Scotland Yard. 1352 00:58:35,650 --> 00:58:37,341 "Your boy is on the ferry. 1353 00:58:37,341 --> 00:58:39,964 "He'll be at the north wall at 7:30 in the morning. 1354 00:58:39,964 --> 00:58:42,829 You can pick him up. He's not to come back." 1355 00:58:42,829 --> 00:58:45,452 They effectively got away scot-free. 1356 00:58:45,452 --> 00:58:49,284 The publicity generated led to further discussions and 1357 00:58:49,284 --> 00:58:53,012 it was decided that the pictures could be shared. 1358 00:58:53,012 --> 00:58:54,841 They came to a compromise whereby 1359 00:58:54,841 --> 00:58:57,016 they co-own the paintings 1360 00:58:57,016 --> 00:59:00,571 and they rotate between the two institutions. 1361 00:59:00,571 --> 00:59:02,815 That is a great legal fudge. 1362 00:59:02,815 --> 00:59:04,989 The pictures must finally be returned 1363 00:59:04,989 --> 00:59:07,751 to their rightful home, which is Dublin, 1364 00:59:07,751 --> 00:59:11,755 in the municipal gallery in Parnell Square. 1365 00:59:11,755 --> 00:59:14,861 It is in effect the Irish Elgin marbles, 1366 00:59:14,861 --> 00:59:16,311 and we want them back. 1367 00:59:16,311 --> 00:59:19,763 We want them back in Dublin where they belong. 1368 00:59:19,763 --> 00:59:21,350 Really, enough is enough. 1369 00:59:21,350 --> 00:59:23,111 Now bring them back home. 1370 00:59:23,111 --> 00:59:24,837 It would be rude not to. 1371 00:59:24,837 --> 00:59:28,116 I'll have to put my thinking hat on here, you know. 1372 00:59:28,116 --> 00:59:30,463 "Thomas Crown 2." 1373 00:59:31,291 --> 00:59:34,432 Hugh Lane played an inadvertent role 1374 00:59:34,432 --> 00:59:36,573 in making Ireland the modern, 1375 00:59:36,573 --> 00:59:38,747 thriving economy that it is today. 1376 00:59:38,747 --> 00:59:41,267 Paul Hogan's father, Sarsfield Hogan, 1377 00:59:41,267 --> 00:59:44,339 who is a leading civil servant in the Irish government. 1378 00:59:44,339 --> 00:59:47,376 Sarsfield Hogan fully expected to become 1379 00:59:47,376 --> 00:59:50,207 the first secretary of the Department of Finance. 1380 00:59:50,207 --> 00:59:52,899 But because his son was involved in 1381 00:59:52,899 --> 00:59:54,038 a diplomatic incident, 1382 00:59:54,038 --> 00:59:56,385 he was overlooked for promotion. 1383 00:59:56,385 --> 00:59:59,768 And a young TK Whitaker was appointed in his stead. 1384 00:59:59,768 --> 01:00:02,426 The visionary for the modern Irish economy, 1385 01:00:02,426 --> 01:00:05,912 he created policies that made Ireland less protectionist 1386 01:00:05,912 --> 01:00:07,983 and more international-looking 1387 01:00:07,983 --> 01:00:10,296 from old Ireland to New Ireland. 1388 01:00:10,296 --> 01:00:13,299 So the Tate gallery theft was the butterfly effect 1389 01:00:13,299 --> 01:00:14,852 that really led Ireland 1390 01:00:14,852 --> 01:00:18,131 into its period of economic prosperity. 1391 01:00:18,131 --> 01:00:20,858 When I was born, Ireland was objectively 1392 01:00:20,858 --> 01:00:23,343 the worst educated population in Europe 1393 01:00:23,343 --> 01:00:24,897 and it's now the best. 1394 01:00:24,897 --> 01:00:28,486 My generation was the first generation of Irish people 1395 01:00:28,486 --> 01:00:30,281 to have the opportunity 1396 01:00:30,281 --> 01:00:32,698 to be educated to the highest level. 1397 01:00:32,698 --> 01:00:36,253 Remember, my first year at school was 1398 01:00:36,253 --> 01:00:39,566 the first year of free education introduced in the 1960s. 1399 01:00:39,566 --> 01:00:42,259 Most of the people that I met at college at that time 1400 01:00:42,259 --> 01:00:45,883 were like me, experiencing university education 1401 01:00:45,883 --> 01:00:48,817 for the first time in their family history. 1402 01:00:48,817 --> 01:00:51,337 That has been the transformative element 1403 01:00:51,337 --> 01:00:54,616 that has caused our country to be changed, 1404 01:00:54,616 --> 01:00:57,377 changed utterly, in the words of WB Yeats. 1405 01:00:57,377 --> 01:00:58,862 When I first went abroad, 1406 01:00:58,862 --> 01:01:00,829 Ireland was the poorest country in western Europe 1407 01:01:00,829 --> 01:01:04,833 and I ended up in Berlin opening a Primark store. 1408 01:01:04,833 --> 01:01:06,904 I've also gone from representing an Ireland 1409 01:01:06,904 --> 01:01:09,804 that really was identified with its whiskey, 1410 01:01:09,804 --> 01:01:11,909 Guinness, and very little else. 1411 01:01:11,909 --> 01:01:16,673 What brings multinationals here? Is it the weather? 1412 01:01:16,673 --> 01:01:18,744 No. 1413 01:01:18,744 --> 01:01:20,780 They're coming here for a number of reasons. 1414 01:01:20,780 --> 01:01:23,058 Literally for the first time in 100 years, 1415 01:01:23,058 --> 01:01:27,442 the dominant industry worldwide was extremely footloose. 1416 01:01:27,442 --> 01:01:30,756 You had companies like Microsoft, Facebook, 1417 01:01:30,756 --> 01:01:32,619 Google, Intel, 1418 01:01:32,619 --> 01:01:36,347 all who were knowledge-based, looking to grow globally. 1419 01:01:36,347 --> 01:01:39,074 Ireland has access to the European market. 1420 01:01:39,074 --> 01:01:42,284 So suddenly now we are not at the edge of Europe. 1421 01:01:42,284 --> 01:01:45,978 We're actually a small island at the center of the world. 1422 01:01:45,978 --> 01:01:47,842 We've got a highly educated workforce, 1423 01:01:47,842 --> 01:01:49,015 we speak English. 1424 01:01:49,015 --> 01:01:50,776 Culturally, because of our diaspora, 1425 01:01:50,776 --> 01:01:52,260 are totally in sync, 1426 01:01:52,260 --> 01:01:55,228 and we've got the lowest corporation tax in Europe. 1427 01:01:55,228 --> 01:01:57,575 And bingo, you've got the perfect storm. 1428 01:01:57,575 --> 01:01:59,508 So, timing was bang-on. 1429 01:01:59,508 --> 01:02:01,441 I mean, they started thinking in the late 1980s-- 1430 01:02:01,441 --> 01:02:03,029 they said, well, okay, there are gonna be 1431 01:02:03,029 --> 01:02:05,929 three big sectors that are gonna be really important-- 1432 01:02:05,929 --> 01:02:08,483 IT, which was no great prizes for it, 1433 01:02:08,483 --> 01:02:12,798 but they also thought about pharmaceuticals, biotech, 1434 01:02:12,798 --> 01:02:14,247 and they thought about a thing 1435 01:02:14,247 --> 01:02:16,422 which nobody was thinking about that much, 1436 01:02:16,422 --> 01:02:18,942 which is medical devices. 1437 01:02:18,942 --> 01:02:22,428 In each of those areas now, you've got eight and nine 1438 01:02:22,428 --> 01:02:25,638 of the top 10 companies in the world in Ireland. 1439 01:02:25,638 --> 01:02:28,296 My wife got a Fulbright. We both came over. 1440 01:02:28,296 --> 01:02:32,300 She was basically studying the Irish video game ecosystem 1441 01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:34,923 to see if there's anything that could be improved 1442 01:02:34,923 --> 01:02:36,718 in the economy for the games industry. 1443 01:02:36,718 --> 01:02:38,858 What it means is that now there's a tax credit for us 1444 01:02:38,858 --> 01:02:40,584 developing games in Ireland. 1445 01:02:40,584 --> 01:02:43,656 That's when we opened our Irish game studio, 1446 01:02:43,656 --> 01:02:46,176 so we moved from Silicon Valley right to Galway. 1447 01:02:46,176 --> 01:02:48,903 It feels like the beginning of something really cool, 1448 01:02:48,903 --> 01:02:50,421 and the country's amazing. 1449 01:02:50,421 --> 01:02:53,114 The people are amazing. Great place to live. 1450 01:02:53,114 --> 01:02:55,288 One of the things with the kind of economy 1451 01:02:55,288 --> 01:02:58,498 that we've developed is that it's two economies, isn't it? 1452 01:02:58,498 --> 01:03:00,500 And this is an extraordinary economy. 1453 01:03:00,500 --> 01:03:04,470 You know, it produces a lot of very well-paid people. 1454 01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:08,267 Uh, it--it obviously employs 1455 01:03:08,267 --> 01:03:11,442 highly educated people from Ireland, 1456 01:03:11,442 --> 01:03:13,410 but also, of course, from everywhere else, 1457 01:03:13,410 --> 01:03:16,447 which makes Ireland very, very expensive, of course, 1458 01:03:16,447 --> 01:03:18,104 and then makes it very hard to live 1459 01:03:18,104 --> 01:03:20,969 for people who are not in that economy. 1460 01:03:20,969 --> 01:03:22,281 The story of the Irish Derby, 1461 01:03:22,281 --> 01:03:24,455 when we run the Irish Derby with Zagreb 1462 01:03:24,455 --> 01:03:26,803 is a very interesting story, because that particular day, 1463 01:03:26,803 --> 01:03:29,115 Dermot Weld did not want to run the horse, 1464 01:03:29,115 --> 01:03:30,979 and I insisted the horse ran, 1465 01:03:30,979 --> 01:03:32,739 and the horse ran away with it. 1466 01:03:32,739 --> 01:03:35,777 Ladies and gentlemen, it's your winner Aidan O'Brien! 1467 01:03:35,777 --> 01:03:37,606 It's the Dubai Duty Free Irish Derby Day 1468 01:03:37,606 --> 01:03:39,194 here at the Curragh. 1469 01:03:39,194 --> 01:03:41,679 It's just a historic race in the flat racing calendar. 1470 01:03:41,679 --> 01:03:43,164 It's the most prestigious. 1471 01:03:43,164 --> 01:03:44,751 How does Aidan O'Brien celebrate an Irish Derby? 1472 01:03:44,751 --> 01:03:46,546 Listen, no, we'll go up, 1473 01:03:46,546 --> 01:03:48,894 and we'll have a cup of tea now and relax. 1474 01:03:48,894 --> 01:03:51,206 The Irish Derby is our most important race. 1475 01:03:51,206 --> 01:03:53,657 It's probably one of the best race courses in the world. 1476 01:03:53,657 --> 01:03:55,762 It's one of the sports that we're able to compete 1477 01:03:55,762 --> 01:03:58,835 at the very top, our breeding, at show jump and racing. 1478 01:03:58,835 --> 01:04:01,838 Irish horsemen do well all over the world. 1479 01:04:01,838 --> 01:04:03,149 They're everywhere. 1480 01:04:03,149 --> 01:04:06,014 So, it's great that the Irish Derby 1481 01:04:06,014 --> 01:04:08,189 is as important a race as it is. 1482 01:04:08,189 --> 01:04:09,673 When it comes to the equine industry, 1483 01:04:09,673 --> 01:04:12,503 you know, it's--it's something that a lot of Irish people are-- 1484 01:04:12,503 --> 01:04:15,990 are just good at, is working with horses. 1485 01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:19,165 The horse racing industry has been for decades 1486 01:04:19,165 --> 01:04:21,305 subsidized by the Irish government. 1487 01:04:21,305 --> 01:04:24,343 73 million euros was given last year. 1488 01:04:24,343 --> 01:04:26,138 For every pound the government puts in, 1489 01:04:26,138 --> 01:04:28,657 they get so much back into the exchequer. 1490 01:04:28,657 --> 01:04:33,559 It was a very enlightened piece of legislation, in 1969 it was, 1491 01:04:33,559 --> 01:04:36,527 when they created an industry out of nothing. 1492 01:04:36,527 --> 01:04:40,669 The stallions were tax-free, but at least the industry 1493 01:04:40,669 --> 01:04:44,190 got started by getting help from government. 1494 01:04:44,190 --> 01:04:46,089 We need people from all over the world 1495 01:04:46,089 --> 01:04:48,263 investing in their horses in Ireland, 1496 01:04:48,263 --> 01:04:51,611 so we need to encourage it rather than hinder it. 1497 01:04:51,611 --> 01:04:53,337 It's like wealth in general. 1498 01:04:53,337 --> 01:04:55,512 It'll come to where it's welcome. 1499 01:04:55,512 --> 01:04:57,514 One of the main constraints with the Irish economy 1500 01:04:57,514 --> 01:04:58,998 is that we're small. 1501 01:04:58,998 --> 01:05:02,553 So, in order to counter that, we've had to use tax breaks 1502 01:05:02,553 --> 01:05:05,522 in order to overcome those early disadvantages. 1503 01:05:05,522 --> 01:05:08,628 But now the Irish economy has reached critical mass. 1504 01:05:08,628 --> 01:05:10,009 At the moment, Ireland is 1505 01:05:10,009 --> 01:05:13,254 the ninth largest investor in the USA. 1506 01:05:13,254 --> 01:05:14,980 In 2019, for example, 1507 01:05:14,980 --> 01:05:17,879 we invested more in the USA than France, 1508 01:05:17,879 --> 01:05:19,294 which is a real demonstration 1509 01:05:19,294 --> 01:05:22,125 that we have real substance in the economy now. 1510 01:05:22,125 --> 01:05:24,368 More than 100,000 Americans these days 1511 01:05:24,368 --> 01:05:27,509 are employed by Irish origin companies. 1512 01:05:27,509 --> 01:05:29,442 What an extraordinary shift and change 1513 01:05:29,442 --> 01:05:32,376 we've seen in a generation, you know, from beer and biscuits 1514 01:05:32,376 --> 01:05:35,310 to now being a high tech center in Europe. 1515 01:05:35,310 --> 01:05:36,449 When you think of Ireland, 1516 01:05:36,449 --> 01:05:37,968 is there anything that comes to mind? 1517 01:05:37,968 --> 01:05:39,176 Beer. 1518 01:05:39,176 --> 01:05:41,385 Leprechauns. 1519 01:05:41,385 --> 01:05:45,044 - The accent. - Uh... potatoes. 1520 01:05:45,044 --> 01:05:46,701 When I first opened my restaurant, 1521 01:05:46,701 --> 01:05:49,669 people were like, "Oh, you're gonna serve potatoes." 1522 01:05:49,669 --> 01:05:52,396 And although they meant it in a humorous way, 1523 01:05:52,396 --> 01:05:54,709 it's a joke that steeped in a lot of sadness. 1524 01:05:54,709 --> 01:05:57,194 It's a--It's a joke that we were so reliant 1525 01:05:57,194 --> 01:05:59,334 on the potato because of the nutrition. 1526 01:05:59,334 --> 01:06:01,681 There was so much nutrition in a potato 1527 01:06:01,681 --> 01:06:03,994 that with a small patch of land out your back garden, 1528 01:06:03,994 --> 01:06:05,375 you could feed a family of 10, 1529 01:06:05,375 --> 01:06:07,687 and that's why we were so dependent on it. 1530 01:06:07,687 --> 01:06:09,724 So, there's something deeply sad about someone 1531 01:06:09,724 --> 01:06:12,589 joking about me loving and Irish people loving potatoes 1532 01:06:12,589 --> 01:06:15,247 when we loved it because it was actually how we survived. 1533 01:06:15,247 --> 01:06:18,698 Um, so it's what-- That was a bit dark and gloomy. 1534 01:06:18,698 --> 01:06:21,253 Sorry about that. But it is a bit sad, 1535 01:06:21,253 --> 01:06:23,117 the idea that people think they're cracking a joke 1536 01:06:23,117 --> 01:06:27,293 when actually they're kind of slagging off our--our dark past. 1537 01:06:27,293 --> 01:06:28,743 I tell you one thing for sure, 1538 01:06:28,743 --> 01:06:30,538 I'm shocked how many English people slag off 1539 01:06:30,538 --> 01:06:32,505 Irish people's drinking. 1540 01:06:32,505 --> 01:06:35,784 I'm like, um... I've been to the English pubs. 1541 01:06:35,784 --> 01:06:38,063 I think they're quite fond of a tipple themselves. 1542 01:06:38,063 --> 01:06:40,513 They say the definition of a real Irishman is somebody 1543 01:06:40,513 --> 01:06:42,377 who doesn't go to bed the same day they get up. 1544 01:06:42,377 --> 01:06:45,346 We do like our social activities. 1545 01:06:45,346 --> 01:06:48,418 We do like to lubricate them sometimes with alcohol. 1546 01:06:48,418 --> 01:06:51,490 Aye, he's a good drinker. 1547 01:06:51,490 --> 01:06:53,285 - Not anymore. I think he's-- - Used to be. 1548 01:06:53,285 --> 01:06:55,425 - I think he's getting shaky now. - No. 1549 01:06:55,425 --> 01:06:58,117 Well, we all know the Irish quite like 1550 01:06:58,117 --> 01:07:00,568 a little drop of red wine every now and again. 1551 01:07:00,568 --> 01:07:02,294 There's like an ongoing joke globally, 1552 01:07:02,294 --> 01:07:03,812 that, like, all the Irish are all alcoholics. 1553 01:07:03,812 --> 01:07:06,367 Like, it's not--it's not a great reputation to have, 1554 01:07:06,367 --> 01:07:10,957 but, you know, it's not necessarily completely wrong. 1555 01:07:10,957 --> 01:07:15,134 Ireland is a country that is oftentimes put in a box. 1556 01:07:15,134 --> 01:07:16,963 We love that box. We thrive in that box. 1557 01:07:16,963 --> 01:07:19,794 We use it for tourism. We use it for industry, absolutely, 1558 01:07:19,794 --> 01:07:21,209 but it's ours to use. 1559 01:07:21,209 --> 01:07:23,418 People are very ready to weaponize 1560 01:07:23,418 --> 01:07:25,972 what they understand about Ireland 1561 01:07:25,972 --> 01:07:29,528 but are never willing to learn what they don't understand. 1562 01:07:29,528 --> 01:07:33,221 I remember I was at an event at the Irish Embassy here, 1563 01:07:33,221 --> 01:07:34,912 and there was an Englishwoman there, 1564 01:07:34,912 --> 01:07:37,846 I said something about something being very different in Ireland, 1565 01:07:37,846 --> 01:07:40,884 and she was just like, "But how is it different?" 1566 01:07:40,884 --> 01:07:44,267 And I was just like, "It's a different country." 1567 01:07:44,267 --> 01:07:45,820 You're telling someone where you're from, 1568 01:07:45,820 --> 01:07:48,340 and if they go, "Oh, yeah, so Britain." No. 1569 01:07:48,340 --> 01:07:49,789 I didn't realize that there was 1570 01:07:49,789 --> 01:07:51,377 that ignorance outside of Ireland. 1571 01:07:51,377 --> 01:07:53,103 Like, it was painful to see 1572 01:07:53,103 --> 01:07:55,001 Paul Mescal be mistaken as British. 1573 01:07:55,001 --> 01:07:56,762 The French claimed Samuel Beckett 1574 01:07:56,762 --> 01:07:58,626 because he often wrote in French. 1575 01:07:58,626 --> 01:08:01,146 The English--in fact, we interviewed Sadiq Khan, 1576 01:08:01,146 --> 01:08:05,046 the London mayor, who called Oscar Wilde a Londoner. Um... 1577 01:08:07,013 --> 01:08:08,774 He doesn't get out much. 1578 01:08:08,774 --> 01:08:12,329 If they wish to appropriate us Irishmen and women 1579 01:08:12,329 --> 01:08:15,367 and make them theirs, then so be it. 1580 01:08:15,367 --> 01:08:17,576 There's enough of us to go round. 1581 01:08:17,576 --> 01:08:20,130 Gotta have a sense of humor about these things. 1582 01:08:20,130 --> 01:08:23,754 Really, take it lightly. Take it lightly. 1583 01:08:23,754 --> 01:08:25,170 My father told me a story 1584 01:08:25,170 --> 01:08:28,690 when he first came to London in the '60s--the signs he saw 1585 01:08:28,690 --> 01:08:32,004 outside the guest houses and the B&B's. 1586 01:08:32,004 --> 01:08:36,008 "No Blacks, no Irish, no dogs." 1587 01:08:36,008 --> 01:08:40,840 It was a sharp... intake of breath 1588 01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,464 to be the outsider 1589 01:08:43,464 --> 01:08:48,158 and to realize that you were different 1590 01:08:48,158 --> 01:08:52,576 and somehow maybe didn't belong. 1591 01:08:52,576 --> 01:08:54,440 It was, uh, you know, from being taught 1592 01:08:54,440 --> 01:08:57,305 by the Christian Brothers in Navan, 1593 01:08:57,305 --> 01:09:00,688 which is a whole other story, uh... 1594 01:09:00,688 --> 01:09:02,759 You know, uh... 1595 01:09:02,759 --> 01:09:05,969 few children to this comprehensive school system 1596 01:09:05,969 --> 01:09:08,178 of 2,000 children. 1597 01:09:09,524 --> 01:09:12,113 It was a short, sharp shock. 1598 01:09:12,113 --> 01:09:13,770 Being Irish, 1599 01:09:13,770 --> 01:09:16,911 how were you received in your new school in London? 1600 01:09:16,911 --> 01:09:19,914 Oh, I was definitely made to feel Irish. 1601 01:09:19,914 --> 01:09:23,193 They didn't let you forget that you were Irish, 1602 01:09:23,193 --> 01:09:27,680 which I wore as an emblem of pride. 1603 01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:29,924 They wouldn't say my name, Pierce, 1604 01:09:29,924 --> 01:09:31,822 or couldn't say my name, Pierce. 1605 01:09:31,822 --> 01:09:33,893 I was known as "Irish." 1606 01:09:33,893 --> 01:09:37,207 That was my nickname, and, uh, and-- 1607 01:09:37,207 --> 01:09:39,865 and I took it and wore it with pride. 1608 01:09:39,865 --> 01:09:41,798 You learn how to adapt, 1609 01:09:41,798 --> 01:09:46,527 and I suppose in some respects it was the start of performance 1610 01:09:46,527 --> 01:09:49,357 'cause I had to assimilate. I had to blend in. 1611 01:09:49,357 --> 01:09:51,083 I had to lose the accent. 1612 01:09:51,083 --> 01:09:52,222 Ended up talking like that, ya know? 1613 01:09:52,222 --> 01:09:55,605 All right, mate? All right, yeah. 1614 01:09:55,605 --> 01:09:58,573 So, I was with all the lads. 1615 01:09:58,573 --> 01:10:01,576 I enjoyed that company and that life, 1616 01:10:01,576 --> 01:10:04,855 and I kind of created a mystique for myself, 1617 01:10:04,855 --> 01:10:06,202 falling in with the guys 1618 01:10:06,202 --> 01:10:08,583 that were the hard guys, the hard nuts, 1619 01:10:08,583 --> 01:10:10,447 but I wasn't really a hard nut. 1620 01:10:10,447 --> 01:10:13,692 I just, uh... 1621 01:10:13,692 --> 01:10:17,834 I just went with them to protect myself. 1622 01:10:17,834 --> 01:10:20,526 Older Irish people that I met when I was ambassador in London 1623 01:10:20,526 --> 01:10:22,459 have told me about seeing these signs of, you know, 1624 01:10:22,459 --> 01:10:24,634 "No Irish need apply here." 1625 01:10:24,634 --> 01:10:26,739 That's changed because Irish people have changed it. 1626 01:10:26,739 --> 01:10:29,155 Phil Lynott not only showed up as an Irishman in the UK, 1627 01:10:29,155 --> 01:10:31,468 but he showed up as a Black Irishman. 1628 01:10:31,468 --> 01:10:33,159 Shane MacGowan, second generation Irish, 1629 01:10:33,159 --> 01:10:34,782 forming The Pogues 1630 01:10:34,782 --> 01:10:36,611 and coming out with "Fairytale of New York," 1631 01:10:36,611 --> 01:10:38,579 and, really, through the Irish creativity 1632 01:10:38,579 --> 01:10:41,616 and hard work and so on, they broke down those barriers. 1633 01:10:41,616 --> 01:10:44,654 There's over 7,000 Irish pubs outside of Ireland. 1634 01:10:44,654 --> 01:10:46,966 I think there's more Irish pubs outside of Ireland 1635 01:10:46,966 --> 01:10:48,174 than inside of Ireland. 1636 01:10:48,174 --> 01:10:49,555 Yeah, anytime you're away anywhere, 1637 01:10:49,555 --> 01:10:50,591 and you see an Irish pub, you're just like, 1638 01:10:50,591 --> 01:10:52,834 ah, there--there we are. 1639 01:10:52,834 --> 01:10:54,526 But, um, I guess they're just pubs here. 1640 01:10:54,526 --> 01:10:56,217 They're just not Ir-- uh, typically Irish, 1641 01:10:56,217 --> 01:10:58,599 but they're just pubs. 1642 01:10:58,599 --> 01:11:00,359 Everybody that opens an Irish pub 1643 01:11:00,359 --> 01:11:02,465 should have it in a contract 1644 01:11:02,465 --> 01:11:04,605 that they have to go spend some time in Ireland 1645 01:11:04,605 --> 01:11:06,089 to learn how to pour proper pints. 1646 01:11:06,089 --> 01:11:08,022 It's a point of gathering, you know, when you go-- 1647 01:11:08,022 --> 01:11:10,093 when you see an Irish pub somewhere, you know-- 1648 01:11:10,093 --> 01:11:12,923 you know that you're gonna have a good time, good beer. 1649 01:11:12,923 --> 01:11:15,616 It's quite fun to see there's a real atmosphere, 1650 01:11:15,616 --> 01:11:17,721 Also, of course, a place where you are able 1651 01:11:17,721 --> 01:11:19,827 to meet other Irish people. 1652 01:11:19,827 --> 01:11:21,967 Have you been to an Irish pub ever? 1653 01:11:21,967 --> 01:11:26,558 Just in Dublin, but I don't drink beer, just wine. Sorry. 1654 01:11:26,558 --> 01:11:28,353 Ah, yes, sure. 1655 01:11:28,353 --> 01:11:32,529 Because I lived in Dublin, so it's very great experience. 1656 01:11:32,529 --> 01:11:34,531 So, Guinness--it's good. 1657 01:11:34,531 --> 01:11:37,603 I love Guinness. I love the stout. 1658 01:11:37,603 --> 01:11:39,364 Everybody loves "Gin-ness." 1659 01:11:39,364 --> 01:11:41,504 What is it to be Irish, actually? 1660 01:11:41,504 --> 01:11:43,402 Well, it's not just having a pint of Guinness, 1661 01:11:43,402 --> 01:11:45,611 that's for sure. 1662 01:11:45,611 --> 01:11:47,958 Any Irish person mention they're Irish, 1663 01:11:47,958 --> 01:11:50,685 and the word "Guinness" is usually one of the first things 1664 01:11:50,685 --> 01:11:51,962 that people bring up. 1665 01:11:51,962 --> 01:11:54,724 Implies that we're drunks, basically, yeah. 1666 01:11:54,724 --> 01:11:57,520 Guinness is not Irish-owned anymore, but it doesn't matter. 1667 01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,418 It's a global brand that's made its way 1668 01:11:59,418 --> 01:12:00,902 all the way around the world 1669 01:12:00,902 --> 01:12:03,042 and a bit like the-- the diaspora, 1670 01:12:03,042 --> 01:12:04,837 we're all so proud of that. 1671 01:12:04,837 --> 01:12:08,116 I believe you own the Cashel Palace Hotel. 1672 01:12:08,116 --> 01:12:11,085 Is it true that the first pint of Guinness 1673 01:12:11,085 --> 01:12:13,156 was drawn from the well there? 1674 01:12:13,156 --> 01:12:16,780 Uh, so--so, legend has it. You should come and taste it, 1675 01:12:16,780 --> 01:12:19,921 and you'll see for yourself that it's different down there. 1676 01:12:19,921 --> 01:12:21,647 My name's Rory Guinness, 1677 01:12:21,647 --> 01:12:24,685 and I am a humble brewer from Dublin. 1678 01:12:24,685 --> 01:12:27,860 We've been involved with the City Centre of Dublin 1679 01:12:27,860 --> 01:12:31,933 since my great-great- great-great-great-grandfather 1680 01:12:31,933 --> 01:12:34,626 Arthur Guinness arrived from County Kildare 1681 01:12:34,626 --> 01:12:38,319 and signed a 9,000-year lease 1682 01:12:38,319 --> 01:12:43,013 on a bankrupt, derelict brewery in St. James's Gate in Dublin. 1683 01:12:43,013 --> 01:12:44,877 One of the biggest things that I want to do 1684 01:12:44,877 --> 01:12:47,155 is try Guinness, is go to the factory, 1685 01:12:47,155 --> 01:12:49,572 because I'm a massive-- I drink a lot of Guinness. 1686 01:12:49,572 --> 01:12:51,056 I want to do the tour. 1687 01:12:51,056 --> 01:12:52,540 It's always great to think 1688 01:12:52,540 --> 01:12:54,335 about who's enjoying a pint of Guinness. 1689 01:12:54,335 --> 01:12:57,027 Kim Kardashian, I saw the other week, was enjoying a drop. 1690 01:12:57,027 --> 01:12:59,892 Gwyneth Paltrow loves a glass of Guinness to steady her nerves. 1691 01:12:59,892 --> 01:13:02,964 Prince Albert of Monaco-- he loves a pint, too, 1692 01:13:02,964 --> 01:13:04,897 and he's a cousin through marriage. 1693 01:13:04,897 --> 01:13:07,762 He's drinking the family drink. 1694 01:13:07,762 --> 01:13:11,870 Absolutely. Princess Florestine, my ancestor in the 19th century, 1695 01:13:11,870 --> 01:13:14,666 she married the Duke of Urach of Wurttemberg. 1696 01:13:14,666 --> 01:13:16,702 Their great-great-grandson 1697 01:13:16,702 --> 01:13:18,359 married into the Guinness family. 1698 01:13:18,359 --> 01:13:21,638 I had forgotten about that when I had my first Guinness, 1699 01:13:21,638 --> 01:13:25,746 but now it takes on a very special meaning. 1700 01:13:25,746 --> 01:13:28,196 I am Chairman of the Iveagh Trust, 1701 01:13:28,196 --> 01:13:31,752 which was started by my great-great-grandfather. 1702 01:13:31,752 --> 01:13:33,339 The Iveagh Trust, to this day, 1703 01:13:33,339 --> 01:13:36,653 is one of Dublin's largest social housing providers. 1704 01:13:36,653 --> 01:13:39,000 Previous generations of the Guinness family 1705 01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:40,623 understood the importance 1706 01:13:40,623 --> 01:13:44,350 of space for recreation, space to meet your neighbors, 1707 01:13:44,350 --> 01:13:46,283 space to provide the breathing lungs 1708 01:13:46,283 --> 01:13:47,699 for the city. 1709 01:13:47,699 --> 01:13:50,529 I think of St Stephen's Green, Iveagh House, 1710 01:13:50,529 --> 01:13:52,911 the Iveagh Gardens, St Anne's. 1711 01:13:52,911 --> 01:13:54,740 - Do you hear the bells? 1712 01:13:54,740 --> 01:13:58,710 Those are the bells given by my great-great-grandfather 1713 01:13:58,710 --> 01:14:00,574 to St Patrick's Cathedral, 1714 01:14:00,574 --> 01:14:02,921 and they're still chiming to this day. 1715 01:14:02,921 --> 01:14:04,509 Rory, is Guinness good for you? 1716 01:14:04,509 --> 01:14:07,857 Oh, you would love that. 1717 01:14:07,857 --> 01:14:10,515 Guinness is good for the people of Dublin 1718 01:14:10,515 --> 01:14:13,172 and the Irish community around the world. 1719 01:14:13,172 --> 01:14:17,522 After all, Guinness is a quintessentially Irish drink. 1720 01:14:17,522 --> 01:14:19,247 When you're doing business with people, 1721 01:14:19,247 --> 01:14:21,318 and you see an Irish name, or you see a connection, 1722 01:14:21,318 --> 01:14:23,528 and my wife laughs at me a lot because the first question 1723 01:14:23,528 --> 01:14:24,977 I always ask, "Are you from Ireland?" 1724 01:14:24,977 --> 01:14:26,531 And they're not from Ireland at all. 1725 01:14:26,531 --> 01:14:29,188 They're just called Gallagher or something from many years ago. 1726 01:14:29,188 --> 01:14:30,535 People sometimes laugh. 1727 01:14:30,535 --> 01:14:31,950 We say, Irish wineries. What do you mean? 1728 01:14:31,950 --> 01:14:33,779 The fact that the Irish were so prominent 1729 01:14:33,779 --> 01:14:36,092 in the wine industry around the world. 1730 01:14:36,092 --> 01:14:38,957 In California were the Barrett family from Galway 1731 01:14:38,957 --> 01:14:42,201 or Montelena, 'cause I remember Mendoza in Argentina 1732 01:14:42,201 --> 01:14:44,272 sitting with the owner of a winery, 1733 01:14:44,272 --> 01:14:45,998 and I was asking him, "What's your name? 1734 01:14:45,998 --> 01:14:49,968 He said, "My name is José Luis Hernandez Murphy." 1735 01:14:49,968 --> 01:14:52,591 Doesn't that just sum it up? 1736 01:14:52,591 --> 01:14:54,766 The highest selling white wine in Ireland 1737 01:14:54,766 --> 01:14:57,251 is called Santa Rita 120. 1738 01:14:57,251 --> 01:15:01,082 refers to the 120 men with Bernardo O'Higgins 1739 01:15:01,082 --> 01:15:04,223 who hid in a winery as the Spaniards passed through 1740 01:15:04,223 --> 01:15:06,398 and then came out, regrouped and defeated the Spaniards 1741 01:15:06,398 --> 01:15:08,124 and got independence for Chile, 1742 01:15:08,124 --> 01:15:11,576 Bernardo O'Higgins traces all his origins back to Sligo. 1743 01:15:11,576 --> 01:15:13,336 What a story. 1744 01:15:13,336 --> 01:15:16,235 So, the Wild Geese--many of them went into the wine industry, 1745 01:15:16,235 --> 01:15:17,720 particularly in France, 1746 01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:18,962 particularly in the Bordeaux area, 1747 01:15:18,962 --> 01:15:22,034 and they became known as the "Winegeese." 1748 01:15:32,044 --> 01:15:34,219 Throughout Bordeaux, there's monuments, 1749 01:15:34,219 --> 01:15:37,774 street names, pubs that carry this Irish heritage, 1750 01:15:37,774 --> 01:15:40,812 Médoc is a land of immigrants. 1751 01:15:40,812 --> 01:15:43,297 It's not the American dream, but it's the Médoc dream. 1752 01:15:47,957 --> 01:15:51,029 We are now actually in the vat room 1753 01:15:51,029 --> 01:15:53,376 of Château Langoa and Léoville Barton, 1754 01:15:53,376 --> 01:15:56,517 and you can see how close it is from the Gironde Estuary, 1755 01:15:56,517 --> 01:15:58,070 which is very important. 1756 01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:59,416 It has always been very important for us 1757 01:15:59,416 --> 01:16:01,902 because it's really thanks to this estuary 1758 01:16:01,902 --> 01:16:04,283 that we have this wonderful climate and terroir, 1759 01:16:04,283 --> 01:16:07,355 but it's also the river that saw our first ancestor, 1760 01:16:07,355 --> 01:16:09,357 Thomas Barton, arrive. 1761 01:16:09,357 --> 01:16:11,877 And here's the river that started everything. 1762 01:16:11,877 --> 01:16:13,948 During the French Revolution, 1763 01:16:13,948 --> 01:16:16,364 the grandson went back to Ireland, 1764 01:16:16,364 --> 01:16:19,816 and he actually bought a farm that became very important 1765 01:16:19,816 --> 01:16:22,163 in our family, which is Straffen House. 1766 01:16:22,163 --> 01:16:24,683 It still has this feel of home in a way, 1767 01:16:24,683 --> 01:16:25,891 although it's not ours anymore. 1768 01:16:25,891 --> 01:16:28,031 It's now the famous K Club. 1769 01:16:28,031 --> 01:16:31,069 The K Club has Barton objects, rooms, 1770 01:16:31,069 --> 01:16:34,141 and, of course, a lot of Barton wines. 1771 01:16:34,141 --> 01:16:37,109 It's a lovely building. My father was born there. 1772 01:16:37,109 --> 01:16:39,974 My grandparents spent a lot of time there. 1773 01:16:39,974 --> 01:16:43,115 The house was purchased in 1989 by Dr. Michael Smurfit. 1774 01:16:43,115 --> 01:16:45,946 Loved his wines, in particular his older Bordeauxs, 1775 01:16:45,946 --> 01:16:48,258 which is why we have such an amazing collection 1776 01:16:48,258 --> 01:16:49,570 in the cellar downstairs. 1777 01:16:49,570 --> 01:16:51,089 I have fond memories of the K club 1778 01:16:51,089 --> 01:16:53,298 and of having many a fine meal there. 1779 01:16:53,298 --> 01:16:56,577 Lovely estate. Decided to turn it into a golf complex. 1780 01:16:56,577 --> 01:16:59,476 The K Club turned out to be a spectacular success. 1781 01:16:59,476 --> 01:17:03,066 Part of my DNA, if you will, with the Barton family. 1782 01:17:03,066 --> 01:17:06,656 Well, I was actually drinking Léoville Barton last night. 1783 01:17:06,656 --> 01:17:07,968 I only finished half a bottle of it, 1784 01:17:07,968 --> 01:17:09,521 so I'll finish the other half bottle tonight. 1785 01:17:13,421 --> 01:17:16,735 Hello, I'm Ronan Dallais, working in the Château Clarke. 1786 01:17:16,735 --> 01:17:18,979 I'm Irish, grew up in Dublin. 1787 01:17:18,979 --> 01:17:20,601 Hundreds of years ago, the Château Clarke 1788 01:17:20,601 --> 01:17:22,189 was owned by an Irish family. 1789 01:17:22,189 --> 01:17:23,777 Now the Château Clarke is currently owned 1790 01:17:23,777 --> 01:17:26,227 by the Rothschild family, but we are proud to keep 1791 01:17:26,227 --> 01:17:28,644 the name of Château Clarke and the Irish heritage. 1792 01:17:30,646 --> 01:17:32,130 CAZES-HACHEMIAN: The Lynch-Bages estate 1793 01:17:32,130 --> 01:17:34,546 has a world-renowned reputation. 1794 01:17:34,546 --> 01:17:36,134 For us, it's very important 1795 01:17:36,134 --> 01:17:39,413 to stay true to our roots, and our roots are Irish. 1796 01:17:39,413 --> 01:17:41,173 We say, "Lynch-Bages," but we actually should say... 1797 01:17:41,173 --> 01:17:42,796 Lynch-Bages. 1798 01:17:42,796 --> 01:17:45,868 So, it comes from the Lynch family from Galway. 1799 01:17:45,868 --> 01:17:49,734 They established themselves in Bordeaux in 1691. 1800 01:17:49,734 --> 01:17:52,253 Thomas Lynch had a number of children. 1801 01:17:52,253 --> 01:17:55,325 Two of them became famous in the history of the region. 1802 01:17:55,325 --> 01:17:58,466 Jean-Bapiste Lynch became mayor of Bordeaux, 1803 01:17:58,466 --> 01:18:02,401 and his son Michel became mayor of Pauillac, 1804 01:18:02,401 --> 01:18:03,851 which is a commonality with my family, 1805 01:18:03,851 --> 01:18:06,267 because my grandfather, André Cazes, 1806 01:18:06,267 --> 01:18:09,339 was also mayor of Pauillac for 42 years. 1807 01:18:09,339 --> 01:18:13,205 So my great-grandfather, Jean-Charles Cazes, was a baker. 1808 01:18:13,205 --> 01:18:15,760 He had the unfortunate event in his life 1809 01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:19,177 that his bakery burned down, so he had to reinvent himself. 1810 01:18:19,177 --> 01:18:21,904 He became a tenant farmer at Lynch-Bages 1811 01:18:21,904 --> 01:18:24,561 and he was able to acquire Château Lynch-Bages 1812 01:18:24,561 --> 01:18:27,944 in the late 30s, which today is a good decision, 1813 01:18:27,944 --> 01:18:31,085 because I would be selling bread instead of, uh, 1814 01:18:31,085 --> 01:18:33,432 talking to you and drinking some good wines. 1815 01:18:33,432 --> 01:18:34,917 A few decades ago, 1816 01:18:34,917 --> 01:18:38,127 my father wanted to honor the Lynch family roots. 1817 01:18:38,127 --> 01:18:41,958 He visited Galway and was told that there was a Mrs. Lynch 1818 01:18:41,958 --> 01:18:44,202 still living in a house down the street. 1819 01:18:44,202 --> 01:18:48,033 And he showed up unannounced at Mrs. Lynch's doorstep, 1820 01:18:48,033 --> 01:18:49,552 and Mrs. Lynch opened the door. 1821 01:18:49,552 --> 01:18:51,830 He introduced himself as Jean-Michel Cazes 1822 01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:53,452 from Château Lynch-Bages in Pauillac, 1823 01:18:53,452 --> 01:18:57,008 and she said very nicely, "I was expecting you." 1824 01:18:57,008 --> 01:18:58,941 So, she invited him for tea, 1825 01:18:58,941 --> 01:19:02,427 and the friendship started that day. 1826 01:19:02,427 --> 01:19:07,846 There is a real deep Irish connection with the château. 1827 01:19:07,846 --> 01:19:10,884 The founder of Château Phélan Ségur 1828 01:19:10,884 --> 01:19:13,093 back in the very early 19th century 1829 01:19:13,093 --> 01:19:17,062 was Bernard O'Phelan, a wine merchant, 1830 01:19:17,062 --> 01:19:19,409 and he purchased a small estate 1831 01:19:19,409 --> 01:19:23,103 thanks to the help of his father-in-law. 1832 01:19:23,103 --> 01:19:25,415 If you ever come to visit Phélan Ségur, 1833 01:19:25,415 --> 01:19:28,660 you'll be experiencing our tribute to Ireland. 1834 01:19:28,660 --> 01:19:31,076 We refurbished a whole room, 1835 01:19:31,076 --> 01:19:33,009 and now it's called the Irish Room, 1836 01:19:33,009 --> 01:19:36,979 and we are showing a collection of original plates 1837 01:19:36,979 --> 01:19:39,878 with what we call the monogram of Phélan. 1838 01:19:39,878 --> 01:19:42,743 On the plate, at the bottom of the monogram, 1839 01:19:42,743 --> 01:19:45,021 you will discover the Claddagh ring. 1840 01:19:45,021 --> 01:19:48,542 All Irish people who come and stay with us for lunch 1841 01:19:48,542 --> 01:19:51,787 and see these plates, they find the Claddagh ring. 1842 01:19:51,787 --> 01:19:53,616 I'm telling you, they are happy. 1843 01:19:53,616 --> 01:19:57,240 And the atmosphere is really an Irish atmosphere. 1844 01:19:57,240 --> 01:20:00,105 Another tribute to our Irish roots 1845 01:20:00,105 --> 01:20:03,074 is this St. Patrick's gift box that we designed. 1846 01:20:03,074 --> 01:20:07,975 It doesn't show a 3-leaf clover, but a 4-leaf clover, 1847 01:20:07,975 --> 01:20:10,840 because we need and we bring luck. 1848 01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,878 When Bernard came to France, 1849 01:20:13,878 --> 01:20:16,777 it was thanks to his friend, Hugh Barton. 1850 01:20:16,777 --> 01:20:20,574 Just incredible that years and years and years after that, 1851 01:20:20,574 --> 01:20:23,542 we are so close to the Barton family. 1852 01:20:23,542 --> 01:20:26,166 To be among these Irish families, you know, 1853 01:20:26,166 --> 01:20:30,135 it's something that is strong and--and very important 1854 01:20:30,135 --> 01:20:32,379 to our--to our heart. 1855 01:20:32,379 --> 01:20:35,451 Phélan Ségur is still Phélan Ségur. 1856 01:20:35,451 --> 01:20:37,487 Lynch-Bages is still Lynch-Bages. 1857 01:20:37,487 --> 01:20:40,352 For obvious reasons, it's still Langoa and Léoville Barton, 1858 01:20:40,352 --> 01:20:43,493 but why do you think that heritage has been respected? 1859 01:20:43,493 --> 01:20:46,427 Goodness me. Well, perhaps because there were names 1860 01:20:46,427 --> 01:20:48,567 that were recognized at the time. 1861 01:20:48,567 --> 01:20:52,019 Let's say Lynch-Bages would be just Bages. So what? 1862 01:20:52,019 --> 01:20:54,401 The "Lynch" definitely has a history to it. 1863 01:20:54,401 --> 01:20:56,506 Look at the way "Phélan Ségur" is written. 1864 01:20:56,506 --> 01:20:58,267 You have this kind of very typical French accent 1865 01:20:58,267 --> 01:20:59,682 on the "é." 1866 01:20:59,682 --> 01:21:03,237 So, I think it tells a lot about how these Irish families 1867 01:21:03,237 --> 01:21:07,310 really got integrated in the landscape of Bordeaux. 1868 01:21:07,310 --> 01:21:10,762 I think they wanted to be part of the culture of the region. 1869 01:21:10,762 --> 01:21:13,938 I also think it says a lot about the French, 1870 01:21:13,938 --> 01:21:16,147 making sure everything becomes French. 1871 01:21:16,147 --> 01:21:19,875 Did you know that the Irish make wine? 1872 01:21:19,875 --> 01:21:21,393 No. 1873 01:21:21,393 --> 01:21:22,705 Irish wine would be considered Guinness 1874 01:21:22,705 --> 01:21:24,051 and maybe a bit of whiskey. 1875 01:21:24,051 --> 01:21:25,535 I've never tried Irish wine. 1876 01:21:25,535 --> 01:21:27,468 I didn't even know there was Irish wine. 1877 01:21:27,468 --> 01:21:29,263 Give me some. Wow. 1878 01:21:29,263 --> 01:21:31,783 I haven't tried Irish wine, no, because I've never heard 1879 01:21:31,783 --> 01:21:33,302 of an Irish wine before. 1880 01:21:33,302 --> 01:21:35,511 Oh, no, never. 1881 01:21:35,511 --> 01:21:36,926 - Never. - Never. 1882 01:21:41,966 --> 01:21:44,451 - Fromage. - Fromage. 1883 01:21:44,451 --> 01:21:46,625 You know Château Lynch-Barge? 1884 01:21:46,625 --> 01:21:48,213 - Of course. - Château Phélan Ségur? 1885 01:21:48,213 --> 01:21:51,009 - Of course. - Château Kirwan. 1886 01:21:51,009 --> 01:21:53,356 - Yeah. - Château Léoville Barton. 1887 01:21:53,356 --> 01:21:55,565 - Yeah. - Château Clarke. 1888 01:21:55,565 --> 01:21:57,015 Yeah. 1889 01:21:57,015 --> 01:22:01,054 Are they Irish wine? 1890 01:22:01,054 --> 01:22:04,574 Why Irish? No. 1891 01:22:04,574 --> 01:22:07,957 - Where are they from? - Uh, uh, Médoc. 1892 01:22:07,957 --> 01:22:10,511 All of these châteaux 1893 01:22:10,511 --> 01:22:12,962 were set up by Irish people, so-- 1894 01:22:12,962 --> 01:22:16,276 Yeah, but the workers-- they are French. 1895 01:22:16,276 --> 01:22:18,381 So, even though they were-- 1896 01:22:18,381 --> 01:22:22,247 And the terroir is French, so it's French. 1897 01:22:22,247 --> 01:22:23,973 So, it's Irish inspiration, 1898 01:22:23,973 --> 01:22:25,699 but French terroir. 1899 01:22:25,699 --> 01:22:27,287 That's it. 1900 01:22:27,287 --> 01:22:28,736 If we ask you again, 1901 01:22:28,736 --> 01:22:31,118 "Have you ever tried Irish wine," what would you say? 1902 01:22:31,118 --> 01:22:34,363 - Yes. - Yes, very good. 1903 01:22:34,363 --> 01:22:36,537 What is Ireland's greatest contribution 1904 01:22:36,537 --> 01:22:38,643 to the world? 1905 01:22:38,643 --> 01:22:40,093 It's people. 1906 01:22:40,093 --> 01:22:43,959 Everybody seems to gel with Irish. 1907 01:22:43,959 --> 01:22:46,720 These are really unfair questions, Frank. 1908 01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:50,206 I-I-...to--to just drop on me, that's ridiculous. 1909 01:22:50,206 --> 01:22:51,794 Is it U2? 1910 01:22:51,794 --> 01:22:56,178 Not U2. The art, the plays, the literature, the paintings, 1911 01:22:56,178 --> 01:22:58,180 the sculpture, the music. 1912 01:22:58,180 --> 01:23:00,561 Our gardens and gardeners that tell a story. 1913 01:23:00,561 --> 01:23:03,633 Still actually a story that hasn't been told enough. 1914 01:23:03,633 --> 01:23:07,223 I often like to say that I was the one who started 1915 01:23:07,223 --> 01:23:08,776 the rewilding movement in Ireland, 1916 01:23:08,776 --> 01:23:11,055 but in reality, I was about a hundred years later. 1917 01:23:11,055 --> 01:23:13,057 William Robinson was 1918 01:23:13,057 --> 01:23:15,818 the first person to create the concept 1919 01:23:15,818 --> 01:23:17,371 of "The Wild Garden." 1920 01:23:17,371 --> 01:23:20,202 Although a lot of it was popularized in the UK, 1921 01:23:20,202 --> 01:23:21,755 it has Irish roots. 1922 01:23:21,755 --> 01:23:24,344 We Irish can make a case for having produced 1923 01:23:24,344 --> 01:23:26,518 the greatest poet In William Butler Yeats, 1924 01:23:26,518 --> 01:23:28,727 the greatest novelist in James Joyce, 1925 01:23:28,727 --> 01:23:33,525 and the greatest dramatist in Seán O'Casey or Samuel Beckett. 1926 01:23:33,525 --> 01:23:37,736 Love Samuel Beckett. Our son Paris--Paris Beckett-- 1927 01:23:37,736 --> 01:23:40,084 he's named after Samuel. 1928 01:23:40,084 --> 01:23:41,637 Keely wanted to call Paris, Paris. 1929 01:23:41,637 --> 01:23:43,432 I think it's a magnificent name. 1930 01:23:43,432 --> 01:23:46,573 I said, that's a very powerful name for a boy. 1931 01:23:46,573 --> 01:23:49,714 So, I think it has to have a little something else, 1932 01:23:49,714 --> 01:23:53,614 and Beckett I love, so Paris Beckett Brosnan. 1933 01:23:53,614 --> 01:23:55,685 We have Bram Stoker, created "Dracula." 1934 01:23:55,685 --> 01:23:57,687 You have my own great-grandfather who was 1935 01:23:57,687 --> 01:23:59,724 one of the pioneers of the fantasy literature-- 1936 01:23:59,724 --> 01:24:01,553 Lord Dunsany, influenced Tolkien, 1937 01:24:01,553 --> 01:24:05,005 had five plays on Broadway consecutively. 1938 01:24:05,005 --> 01:24:06,765 Not even Shakespeare had that. 1939 01:24:06,765 --> 01:24:08,664 Ireland is a small island, really, 1940 01:24:08,664 --> 01:24:10,631 on the periphery of northern Europe, 1941 01:24:10,631 --> 01:24:12,978 but we are united by a common bond, 1942 01:24:12,978 --> 01:24:15,153 which is a pride of who we are. 1943 01:24:15,153 --> 01:24:17,086 Because no matter where you go in the world, 1944 01:24:17,086 --> 01:24:19,261 whether it be in the world of literature 1945 01:24:19,261 --> 01:24:22,160 or the world of music or the world of sport, 1946 01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:24,438 we have made an impact at every level, 1947 01:24:24,438 --> 01:24:25,957 despite our smallness. 1948 01:24:25,957 --> 01:24:27,200 We've always punched above our weight 1949 01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:28,753 as a small nation, haven't we? 1950 01:24:28,753 --> 01:24:31,583 You know, a 21-year-old son of a Syrian migrant 1951 01:24:31,583 --> 01:24:34,690 created a company, Apple, and it started at zero. 1952 01:24:34,690 --> 01:24:38,418 I mean, Ryanair here in Ireland set off in 1985, 1953 01:24:38,418 --> 01:24:41,800 flew from Waterford with 18 passengers in one plane. 1954 01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:45,183 So, I love that notion. Nobody started a large organization. 1955 01:24:45,183 --> 01:24:49,256 Tony O'Reilly was just one of the world's great communicators. 1956 01:24:49,256 --> 01:24:51,120 He was under pressure launching Kerrygold, 1957 01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,088 which was the name he came up with, 1958 01:24:53,088 --> 01:24:55,469 to call it Leprechaun Butter. 1959 01:24:55,469 --> 01:24:57,920 And, I mean, that would have been such a disaster. 1960 01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:00,716 Tony O'Reilly, Michael Smurfit, and Tony Ryan 1961 01:25:00,716 --> 01:25:02,269 were the Three Musketeers 1962 01:25:02,269 --> 01:25:04,789 who were doing this stuff internationally 1963 01:25:04,789 --> 01:25:07,585 when there weren't Irish players on the world stage. 1964 01:25:07,585 --> 01:25:09,069 We all owe them a debt of gratitude for that, 1965 01:25:09,069 --> 01:25:10,588 because they did it at a time, 1966 01:25:10,588 --> 01:25:12,659 to use Myles na Gopaleen's expression, 1967 01:25:12,659 --> 01:25:14,350 when it was neither popular or not profitable, 1968 01:25:14,350 --> 01:25:16,007 but they made it both. 1969 01:25:16,007 --> 01:25:19,252 Tony O'Reilly saying he succeeded despite being Irish, 1970 01:25:19,252 --> 01:25:22,289 whereas now, people succeed because they're Irish. 1971 01:25:24,809 --> 01:25:27,915 Very, very proud of this. 1972 01:25:27,915 --> 01:25:30,055 Jefferson Smurfit Corporation 1973 01:25:30,055 --> 01:25:33,852 was the largest, fastest growing company in America. 1974 01:25:33,852 --> 01:25:35,164 Yeah, that's fantastic. 1975 01:25:35,164 --> 01:25:38,409 Look where Apple is. 1976 01:25:38,409 --> 01:25:40,963 $3 trillion company now. 1977 01:25:40,963 --> 01:25:44,898 Yeah, so Jefferson Smurfit-- number one. Apple 13. 1978 01:25:44,898 --> 01:25:46,417 Wow. That's incredible. 1979 01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:50,869 Slight change of results since then. 1980 01:25:50,869 --> 01:25:52,940 Well, they're both Irish companies. 1981 01:25:52,940 --> 01:25:55,633 That's Her Majesty The Queen giving me the knighthood. 1982 01:25:55,633 --> 01:25:59,533 Ireland doesn't have awards and doesn't give awards. 1983 01:25:59,533 --> 01:26:01,397 The only thing you can get in Ireland 1984 01:26:01,397 --> 01:26:03,330 is an honorary doctorate. 1985 01:26:03,330 --> 01:26:04,987 Therefore, it didn't seem right to me 1986 01:26:04,987 --> 01:26:08,163 that when I was knighted by Her Majesty The Queen, 1987 01:26:08,163 --> 01:26:09,854 to use a title in Ireland, 1988 01:26:09,854 --> 01:26:12,305 where Ireland didn't honor titles. 1989 01:26:12,305 --> 01:26:13,720 Although this is a republic now, 1990 01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:16,309 and I'm often referred to as Lord Dunsany, 1991 01:26:16,309 --> 01:26:18,242 in reality, as a republic, 1992 01:26:18,242 --> 01:26:20,692 I always introduce myself as Randal Plunkett. 1993 01:26:20,692 --> 01:26:22,522 I allow other people, usually Americans, 1994 01:26:22,522 --> 01:26:24,800 to call me Lord Dunsany. 1995 01:26:25,697 --> 01:26:27,492 I was born in England, grew up in Ireland, 1996 01:26:27,492 --> 01:26:30,633 so I was moving quite a lot as a young man, 1997 01:26:30,633 --> 01:26:32,428 and I remember the war years very well 1998 01:26:32,428 --> 01:26:34,430 and my father being in the army, marching past that gate 1999 01:26:34,430 --> 01:26:37,157 in St Helens in Lancashire, where I grew up. 2000 01:26:37,157 --> 01:26:39,608 He was a big man to begin with. He was over 6 feet. 2001 01:26:39,608 --> 01:26:42,438 My mother was very small. My mother was just over 5 feet. 2002 01:26:42,438 --> 01:26:43,474 They used to talk about the weather down here 2003 01:26:43,474 --> 01:26:44,785 and the weather up there. 2004 01:26:44,785 --> 01:26:47,271 They had eight children, which I was the eldest. 2005 01:26:47,271 --> 01:26:49,652 We had a farm in Cleadon village near Sunderland. 2006 01:26:49,652 --> 01:26:51,447 My father coined the expression, 2007 01:26:51,447 --> 01:26:53,484 "You buy brains, and you make businessmen." 2008 01:26:53,484 --> 01:26:55,244 And he decided at age 16, 2009 01:26:55,244 --> 01:26:58,005 myself and my late brother Jeff pulled out of Clongowes Wood, 2010 01:26:58,005 --> 01:27:00,836 went straight to the factory floor and worked our way up. 2011 01:27:00,836 --> 01:27:03,459 And I learned at a very young age how takeovers worked 2012 01:27:03,459 --> 01:27:05,323 and how balance sheets worked. 2013 01:27:05,323 --> 01:27:08,637 So, when my term came to be to be running the business, 2014 01:27:08,637 --> 01:27:10,017 I knew where the goalposts were, 2015 01:27:10,017 --> 01:27:11,985 and I knew how to get the ball over the line. 2016 01:27:11,985 --> 01:27:14,953 All these things come running back when I talk to you. 2017 01:27:14,953 --> 01:27:18,060 Well, having nationalized the Irish industry, 2018 01:27:18,060 --> 01:27:19,751 the government announced 2019 01:27:19,751 --> 01:27:21,822 that they're entering into an agreement with the UK, 2020 01:27:21,822 --> 01:27:24,756 and in 10 years, we're going to be equal tariffs. 2021 01:27:24,756 --> 01:27:26,896 Ireland made its own shoes in those days. 2022 01:27:26,896 --> 01:27:29,036 It made its own shirts and all these sort of things. 2023 01:27:29,036 --> 01:27:31,004 They're all going to go by the wayside. 2024 01:27:31,004 --> 01:27:32,592 We were going to be decimated. 2025 01:27:32,592 --> 01:27:34,525 Our customer base was going to be decimated. 2026 01:27:34,525 --> 01:27:37,044 So, I got the blessing from my father to diversify 2027 01:27:37,044 --> 01:27:38,805 the company into the UK first 2028 01:27:38,805 --> 01:27:40,462 and then eventually into America, 2029 01:27:40,462 --> 01:27:42,015 without which we wouldn't have been where we are today 2030 01:27:42,015 --> 01:27:43,361 if we hadn't done that. 2031 01:27:43,361 --> 01:27:46,709 In Smurfit, I set out to be 2032 01:27:46,709 --> 01:27:49,333 the best producer of corrugated boxes 2033 01:27:49,333 --> 01:27:51,196 in the United Kingdom. That was my goal. 2034 01:27:51,196 --> 01:27:54,027 We became the best, and because we were the best, 2035 01:27:54,027 --> 01:27:55,511 we became the biggest. 2036 01:27:55,511 --> 01:27:57,548 One day I was in Los Angeles, 2037 01:27:57,548 --> 01:27:59,584 and one young analyst there asked me, 2038 01:27:59,584 --> 01:28:01,034 "Have you ever thought about buying 2039 01:28:01,034 --> 01:28:02,932 Container Corporation of America from Mobil Oil?" 2040 01:28:02,932 --> 01:28:04,831 I was on a plane the next day to New York, 2041 01:28:04,831 --> 01:28:06,660 and I tell you, never looked back since then. 2042 01:28:06,660 --> 01:28:08,490 It was the greatest deal I ever did. 2043 01:28:08,490 --> 01:28:10,802 That was the foundation of the family fortune. 2044 01:28:10,802 --> 01:28:12,873 I gambled the company twice in my life, 2045 01:28:12,873 --> 01:28:14,668 and that was probably once too many. 2046 01:28:14,668 --> 01:28:17,844 In my day, nobody thought of an Irish multinational. 2047 01:28:17,844 --> 01:28:18,845 We were the first. 2048 01:28:18,845 --> 01:28:23,228 You're having some fun now. 2049 01:28:23,228 --> 01:28:25,472 Is Michael Smurfit right 2050 01:28:25,472 --> 01:28:26,922 in saying that Smurfit was the first? 2051 01:28:26,922 --> 01:28:29,787 Yes, he is, in the 20th century. 2052 01:28:29,787 --> 01:28:33,100 We have been doing this since 1759, 2053 01:28:33,100 --> 01:28:37,691 so I would argue Guinness is the first Irish multinational. 2054 01:28:39,900 --> 01:28:43,179 I was never one to scream from the rooftops 2055 01:28:43,179 --> 01:28:46,079 about what we gave as a family or as a company. 2056 01:28:46,079 --> 01:28:48,081 When they put my name over the business school, 2057 01:28:48,081 --> 01:28:49,841 for example, I was horrified initially. 2058 01:28:49,841 --> 01:28:52,154 True giving is about 'cause you genuinely believe 2059 01:28:52,154 --> 01:28:55,399 that you have to give back to society what is given to you. 2060 01:28:55,399 --> 01:28:57,055 And we got a great deal from Ireland, 2061 01:28:57,055 --> 01:28:59,644 and we should give something back to it. 2062 01:28:59,644 --> 01:29:01,197 I was asked by the Rotunda Hospital 2063 01:29:01,197 --> 01:29:03,234 to come to visit one day, 2064 01:29:03,234 --> 01:29:04,925 and I came into this room, and I said, "What's this?" 2065 01:29:04,925 --> 01:29:06,375 This is incubators. 2066 01:29:06,375 --> 01:29:07,928 And they said they're going to lose 2067 01:29:07,928 --> 01:29:10,966 about four or five babies that month 2068 01:29:10,966 --> 01:29:13,209 because they didn't have enough incubators. 2069 01:29:13,209 --> 01:29:14,797 I said, "You're joking me." 2070 01:29:14,797 --> 01:29:16,765 I said, "You get on a plane, go to America, 2071 01:29:16,765 --> 01:29:20,182 buy four incubators and bring them in, whatever it costs." 2072 01:29:20,182 --> 01:29:21,597 I couldn't sleep that night 2073 01:29:21,597 --> 01:29:23,772 just thinking of that simple thing like that. 2074 01:29:23,772 --> 01:29:25,221 My second son, when he was born, 2075 01:29:25,221 --> 01:29:27,776 was born four months premature, was a blue baby. 2076 01:29:27,776 --> 01:29:30,123 He got the last rites. He was going to die, 2077 01:29:30,123 --> 01:29:32,332 and he survived because of the incubator. 2078 01:29:32,332 --> 01:29:34,058 I went back a couple of years later. 2079 01:29:34,058 --> 01:29:36,025 I was invited for some ceremony, 2080 01:29:36,025 --> 01:29:38,234 and there was my name up in the... 2081 01:29:38,234 --> 01:29:41,030 in the-- on the plaque on the wall. 2082 01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:43,308 I didn't want that. The last thing I wanted. 2083 01:29:43,308 --> 01:29:45,103 What do you consider 2084 01:29:45,103 --> 01:29:46,553 your greatest achievement? 2085 01:29:46,553 --> 01:29:48,348 That's a very simple one to answer. 2086 01:29:48,348 --> 01:29:51,593 Seeing the Irish flag flying in my factories around the world, 2087 01:29:51,593 --> 01:29:53,284 it was always something I insisted upon-- 2088 01:29:53,284 --> 01:29:54,734 the country flag, the Irish flag, 2089 01:29:54,734 --> 01:29:57,702 and the company flag, three masts in every factory. 2090 01:29:57,702 --> 01:29:59,463 Great pride in seeing that. 2091 01:29:59,463 --> 01:30:03,225 There's a close relationship between Monaco and Ireland, 2092 01:30:03,225 --> 01:30:05,883 because of the history of the Kelly family. 2093 01:30:05,883 --> 01:30:08,437 And, of course, I'm a very close friend of the prince. 2094 01:30:08,437 --> 01:30:10,681 Give him my best wishes when you see him. 2095 01:30:10,681 --> 01:30:13,373 Michael Smurfit is a great friend of the family. 2096 01:30:13,373 --> 01:30:15,306 It's not only because, of course, 2097 01:30:15,306 --> 01:30:18,067 of his consular duties here in Monaco, but he helped 2098 01:30:18,067 --> 01:30:20,415 with the Princess Grace Irish Library, 2099 01:30:20,415 --> 01:30:23,038 with Princess Grace Foundation, with my foundation also, 2100 01:30:23,038 --> 01:30:24,419 And of course, he's a great entrepreneur. 2101 01:30:24,419 --> 01:30:26,455 Love having conversations with him 2102 01:30:26,455 --> 01:30:28,250 about his take on things. 2103 01:30:44,300 --> 01:30:45,888 I noticed that you have something 2104 01:30:45,888 --> 01:30:47,407 interesting on your lapel there. 2105 01:30:49,202 --> 01:30:52,688 Well, yeah, I wore that just for you for today, 2106 01:30:52,688 --> 01:30:55,208 but I do wear it for St Patrick's 2107 01:30:55,208 --> 01:30:57,659 and for other Irish momentous occasions. 2108 01:30:57,659 --> 01:30:59,971 And then, of course, a shamrock tie. 2109 01:30:59,971 --> 01:31:03,319 As you can see, I've got my green Ralph Lauren... 2110 01:31:03,319 --> 01:31:04,976 - ...jacket on. 2111 01:31:04,976 --> 01:31:08,083 My wife bought me this, and I'd never really worn it. 2112 01:31:09,222 --> 01:31:11,362 Maybe I had one outing. 2113 01:31:11,362 --> 01:31:12,674 Through my mother's family, 2114 01:31:12,674 --> 01:31:14,123 through the Kellys of County Mayo 2115 01:31:14,123 --> 01:31:15,918 and the ancestral home in Drumilra, 2116 01:31:15,918 --> 01:31:17,610 we knew that the Irish connection 2117 01:31:17,610 --> 01:31:19,197 was very solid. 2118 01:31:19,197 --> 01:31:23,132 Princess Grace's grandfather, John Henry Kelly, 2119 01:31:23,132 --> 01:31:26,722 was born in Ireland in County Mayo in 1847, 2120 01:31:26,722 --> 01:31:30,795 and at only 20 years old, he emigrated. 2121 01:31:30,795 --> 01:31:33,315 As for all Irish immigrants to any country, 2122 01:31:33,315 --> 01:31:36,283 but mostly to the United States, it was extremely difficult. 2123 01:31:36,283 --> 01:31:38,734 My grandfather, yes, he was a great entrepreneur, 2124 01:31:38,734 --> 01:31:41,150 and yes, he was dedicated as a leader, 2125 01:31:41,150 --> 01:31:43,325 as a political figure in Philadelphia, 2126 01:31:43,325 --> 01:31:45,465 and also the tremendous career 2127 01:31:45,465 --> 01:31:47,743 that my grandfather had at rowing 2128 01:31:47,743 --> 01:31:49,918 is still looked upon with incredible awe. 2129 01:31:49,918 --> 01:31:51,471 Not only a 2-time Olympian, 2130 01:31:51,471 --> 01:31:54,439 but a triple gold medalist in the single and double sculls. 2131 01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:58,098 It's uncanny that next year the Olympics will be in Paris. 2132 01:31:58,098 --> 01:32:00,169 I will invite my Kelly cousins over, 2133 01:32:00,169 --> 01:32:03,966 and we will all be able to watch the double sculls final. 2134 01:32:03,966 --> 01:32:05,623 So, that'll be a great way to celebrate 2135 01:32:05,623 --> 01:32:09,903 the 100th anniversary of that third and final gold medal. 2136 01:32:09,903 --> 01:32:14,632 The 1961 visit by Prince Rainier and Princess Grace was historic 2137 01:32:14,632 --> 01:32:18,118 because it was the first ever visit by any head of state 2138 01:32:18,118 --> 01:32:22,157 to Ireland since the creation of the Irish Free State in 1922. 2139 01:32:22,157 --> 01:32:24,953 So, it really put Ireland on the map. 2140 01:32:24,953 --> 01:32:26,955 It was very apparent that she was thrilled 2141 01:32:26,955 --> 01:32:29,751 to reconnect and to introduce my father and her family 2142 01:32:29,751 --> 01:32:32,305 to her Irish roots, and when I go to Ireland, 2143 01:32:32,305 --> 01:32:35,964 some people still remember that fondly and with great detail. 2144 01:32:35,964 --> 01:32:37,517 There weren't that many heads of state 2145 01:32:37,517 --> 01:32:39,036 that went to Ireland in those days. 2146 01:32:39,036 --> 01:32:42,246 I'm still amazed to know that it had such an impact 2147 01:32:42,246 --> 01:32:44,662 on everyone's lives. 2148 01:32:44,662 --> 01:32:47,113 Did she instill in you 2149 01:32:47,113 --> 01:32:50,081 the sense of the importance of Irishness? 2150 01:32:50,081 --> 01:32:51,945 We knew that she had a passion 2151 01:32:51,945 --> 01:32:54,396 for everything of Irish culture. 2152 01:32:54,396 --> 01:32:55,949 She would go out of her way and take time 2153 01:32:55,949 --> 01:32:58,780 to explain these things to us. 2154 01:32:58,780 --> 01:33:01,852 What she would be very proud of is setting up 2155 01:33:01,852 --> 01:33:03,474 the Princess Grace Irish Library. 2156 01:33:03,474 --> 01:33:07,098 It's a wonderful way to celebrate my mother's legacy, 2157 01:33:07,098 --> 01:33:09,963 and I think she'd be very proud of that. 2158 01:33:09,963 --> 01:33:14,934 The value of a library here that showcases Irish culture. 2159 01:33:14,934 --> 01:33:18,662 Our treasure is "Ulysses," first edition copy. 2160 01:33:18,662 --> 01:33:22,217 That's a copy that I'd like to finish someday. 2161 01:33:22,217 --> 01:33:24,599 I've tried to go through "Ulysses." 2162 01:33:24,599 --> 01:33:26,359 It's a bit tough to get through in one go, 2163 01:33:26,359 --> 01:33:27,843 so... 2164 01:33:27,843 --> 01:33:29,845 Uh, maybe when I have more time, 2165 01:33:29,845 --> 01:33:32,365 I will be able to go through that quietly 2166 01:33:32,365 --> 01:33:34,781 and peacefully to get the full gist of it. 2167 01:33:34,781 --> 01:33:36,265 We say in Ireland, 2168 01:33:36,265 --> 01:33:38,958 it's the book we pretend the most that we've read. 2169 01:33:41,132 --> 01:33:43,272 The other thing we discovered researching 2170 01:33:43,272 --> 01:33:46,966 your Irish heritage, is that the first photo 2171 01:33:46,966 --> 01:33:48,588 of your parents meeting here in the palace... 2172 01:33:48,588 --> 01:33:49,762 Mm-hmm. 2173 01:33:49,762 --> 01:33:51,902 ...was taken by an Irish photographer 2174 01:33:51,902 --> 01:33:53,489 from Dublin, Edward Quinn. 2175 01:33:53,489 --> 01:33:54,974 - Yes, Mm-hmm. - Ted Quinn. 2176 01:33:54,974 --> 01:33:56,941 Um, he had been the unit photographer 2177 01:33:56,941 --> 01:33:59,047 on "To Catch a Thief," so... - Exactly, yeah. 2178 01:33:59,047 --> 01:34:00,842 ...Princess Grace and him had a... 2179 01:34:00,842 --> 01:34:02,188 - Yeah. - ...close rapport, so she's-- 2180 01:34:02,188 --> 01:34:03,776 she's very relaxed. - Yeah. 2181 01:34:03,776 --> 01:34:07,434 So, it's amazing to think there was an Irishman capturing... 2182 01:34:07,434 --> 01:34:09,022 - I know. - ...a historic moment 2183 01:34:09,022 --> 01:34:11,059 in the Grimaldi family history. 2184 01:34:11,059 --> 01:34:14,752 No, and we were able to purchase his photographic collection. 2185 01:34:14,752 --> 01:34:17,444 He was a really great photographer. 2186 01:34:21,103 --> 01:34:22,864 The secret to a good Irish coffee 2187 01:34:22,864 --> 01:34:25,211 is to know what an Irish coffee is. Right? 2188 01:34:25,211 --> 01:34:26,833 When I go somewhere, and I order an Irish coffee 2189 01:34:26,833 --> 01:34:29,318 and it comes out looking like a latte, 2190 01:34:29,318 --> 01:34:31,666 I think I'm--I shouldn't have ordered that. 2191 01:34:31,666 --> 01:34:33,150 You don't want the cream to sink. 2192 01:34:33,150 --> 01:34:34,496 And a lot of people have a lot of theories 2193 01:34:34,496 --> 01:34:36,671 about the back of the spoon, the top of the spoon. 2194 01:34:36,671 --> 01:34:37,879 Balance of sugar. 2195 01:34:37,879 --> 01:34:40,364 The trick is very, very hot coffee... 2196 01:34:40,364 --> 01:34:42,469 Good quality Irish whiskey. 2197 01:34:42,469 --> 01:34:44,264 ...and very, very cold cream. 2198 01:34:44,264 --> 01:34:47,509 And then you just need the top of cream that's not overwhipped 2199 01:34:47,509 --> 01:34:49,166 so it looks like a Guinness. 2200 01:34:49,166 --> 01:34:50,408 What do you think 2201 01:34:50,408 --> 01:34:53,549 is the secret of a great Irish coffee? 2202 01:34:53,549 --> 01:34:55,413 Bushmills Whiskey. 2203 01:34:56,794 --> 01:34:59,279 Pre-20th century, Irish whiskey was possibly 2204 01:34:59,279 --> 01:35:01,385 the most important whiskey in the world, 2205 01:35:01,385 --> 01:35:03,456 and I'm sure that the Scottish people 2206 01:35:03,456 --> 01:35:05,182 might, um, might-- might lynch me for that. 2207 01:35:05,182 --> 01:35:07,149 But we were. We were more important than Scotch. 2208 01:35:07,149 --> 01:35:09,013 We were better quality than scotch. 2209 01:35:09,013 --> 01:35:10,739 We were drank mostly in the States and the UK, 2210 01:35:10,739 --> 01:35:12,534 our two biggest markets. 2211 01:35:12,534 --> 01:35:14,536 Riding high--Irish whiskey. 2212 01:35:14,536 --> 01:35:17,332 A couple of global events and national events happened. 2213 01:35:17,332 --> 01:35:18,851 So, first of all, we had the War of Independence 2214 01:35:18,851 --> 01:35:20,507 here in the 1920s. 2215 01:35:20,507 --> 01:35:22,855 Our biggest market, the UK, was now closed off. 2216 01:35:22,855 --> 01:35:25,029 Secondly, our second biggest market, 2217 01:35:25,029 --> 01:35:26,893 the U.S., went through 13 years of Prohibition, 2218 01:35:26,893 --> 01:35:28,481 where we know it was illegal 2219 01:35:28,481 --> 01:35:30,517 both to make, sell, and drink alcohol. 2220 01:35:30,517 --> 01:35:33,969 After Prohibition, we then had the Second World War. 2221 01:35:33,969 --> 01:35:35,591 So, pre-20th century, 2222 01:35:35,591 --> 01:35:39,699 we had roughly about 75 distilleries on this island. 2223 01:35:39,699 --> 01:35:42,806 Post World War II, we had three. 2224 01:35:44,911 --> 01:35:47,224 We see it that we're all an Irish family, 2225 01:35:47,224 --> 01:35:49,088 and we want to be number one again. 2226 01:35:49,088 --> 01:35:50,814 We want our title back from the Scotch 2227 01:35:50,814 --> 01:35:52,436 and everybody else that's out there. 2228 01:35:52,436 --> 01:35:54,645 But Bushmills is one of the first to make whiskey, 2229 01:35:54,645 --> 01:35:57,441 and for us, that's a very important thing to say, 2230 01:35:57,441 --> 01:35:59,892 that in Ireland, we've been making whiskey 2231 01:35:59,892 --> 01:36:02,273 a lot longer than the Scotch counterparts. 2232 01:36:02,273 --> 01:36:03,827 So, the wonderful water here at Bushmills 2233 01:36:03,827 --> 01:36:05,690 is something we're very passionate about, 2234 01:36:05,690 --> 01:36:08,521 and why we believe Bushmills has that distinct character. 2235 01:36:08,521 --> 01:36:10,799 So, our water flows through the same limestone 2236 01:36:10,799 --> 01:36:12,697 and basalt rock at the Giant's Causeway. 2237 01:36:12,697 --> 01:36:14,147 It's a tributary of the River Bush, 2238 01:36:14,147 --> 01:36:16,667 and it's said to have been blessed many, many years ago 2239 01:36:16,667 --> 01:36:18,289 by St. Columba, one of Ireland's 12 apostles, 2240 01:36:18,289 --> 01:36:21,845 as the purest form of water in Ireland. 2241 01:36:21,845 --> 01:36:23,570 So, the best bit about my job 2242 01:36:23,570 --> 01:36:27,540 is that I get to taste whiskey every day and call it my job. 2243 01:36:27,540 --> 01:36:29,128 I get to open casks 2244 01:36:29,128 --> 01:36:31,371 that haven't been touched for many, many years 2245 01:36:31,371 --> 01:36:34,374 and be the first to taste that whiskey. 2246 01:36:34,374 --> 01:36:37,446 It really is a dream come true to be a master blender 2247 01:36:37,446 --> 01:36:40,001 and be part of the legacy of Bushmills. 2248 01:36:41,657 --> 01:36:43,176 I always like to think, 2249 01:36:43,176 --> 01:36:44,557 if you're trying a whiskey for the first time, 2250 01:36:44,557 --> 01:36:47,042 you should sit down in a lovely, quiet room, 2251 01:36:47,042 --> 01:36:48,078 close the curtains, and don't tell anybody else 2252 01:36:48,078 --> 01:36:49,700 you have the bottle. 2253 01:36:49,700 --> 01:36:51,150 Let it tell you its story. 2254 01:36:51,150 --> 01:36:52,945 Let the sip of each time you take it 2255 01:36:52,945 --> 01:36:54,670 reveal something new to you. 2256 01:36:54,670 --> 01:36:56,465 That little hint of marzipan there. 2257 01:36:56,465 --> 01:36:58,709 This one's almost like Christmas cake in a glass. 2258 01:36:58,709 --> 01:37:00,918 I always think of my grandmother when I'm drinking this one 2259 01:37:00,918 --> 01:37:02,057 and those lovely fruitcakes 2260 01:37:02,057 --> 01:37:04,094 that she used to make growing up. 2261 01:37:08,823 --> 01:37:11,860 Ricky has explained the rules of Gaelic and stuff to me. 2262 01:37:11,860 --> 01:37:13,758 I would never play that. 2263 01:37:13,758 --> 01:37:15,933 That's a very dangerous sport. 2264 01:37:15,933 --> 01:37:18,660 If you had a good hurling stick and you wanted to keep it, 2265 01:37:18,660 --> 01:37:20,904 you'd have to, you know, you get a crack in it. 2266 01:37:20,904 --> 01:37:24,769 So, you get the little bit of metal would be around the turf. 2267 01:37:24,769 --> 01:37:26,185 You'd nail that in. 2268 01:37:26,185 --> 01:37:28,049 Of course, that'd slice your head off. 2269 01:37:28,049 --> 01:37:30,258 That's a grand hurling stick. There you go now. 2270 01:37:30,258 --> 01:37:33,640 Look at that. Oh, yeah. I used to love kind of running down 2271 01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:35,677 and... 2272 01:37:35,677 --> 01:37:38,991 Trying to break a window or something like that. 2273 01:37:38,991 --> 01:37:41,994 Find an old building. 2274 01:37:45,238 --> 01:37:48,276 The GAA is one of the most impressive 2275 01:37:48,276 --> 01:37:50,830 amateur sporting organizations in the world. 2276 01:37:50,830 --> 01:37:53,764 My granduncle and grandfather, John and Jerome Mannion, 2277 01:37:53,764 --> 01:37:56,111 played in the first all-Ireland hurling final. 2278 01:37:56,111 --> 01:37:58,458 Back in the day, in the 19th century, 2279 01:37:58,458 --> 01:38:00,495 they came up with the idea of using whiskey corks 2280 01:38:00,495 --> 01:38:03,532 as the interior of a sliotar ball. 2281 01:38:03,532 --> 01:38:07,536 Sliotar. The Sliotar. Yeah, there you go. 2282 01:38:07,536 --> 01:38:11,299 This was to make them less leaden and heavy when it rained. 2283 01:38:11,299 --> 01:38:14,405 This eureka moment came to them having a drink of whiskey 2284 01:38:14,405 --> 01:38:17,236 after a particularly rainy hurling match. 2285 01:38:17,236 --> 01:38:18,962 So, there is actually a connection 2286 01:38:18,962 --> 01:38:21,171 between Irish whiskey and the GAA. 2287 01:38:22,655 --> 01:38:25,002 The GAA was founded in 1884, 2288 01:38:25,002 --> 01:38:28,178 and it has given us a sense of pride, 2289 01:38:28,178 --> 01:38:30,732 a sense of belonging, that no matter where we are, 2290 01:38:30,732 --> 01:38:32,630 that rivalry between club 2291 01:38:32,630 --> 01:38:34,391 and county is intense. 2292 01:38:34,391 --> 01:38:37,808 For an hour on one Sunday or one Saturday, 2293 01:38:37,808 --> 01:38:40,328 we might go hammer and tongs against each other. 2294 01:38:40,328 --> 01:38:41,570 But at the end of the day, 2295 01:38:41,570 --> 01:38:44,021 you put your arm around that person, 2296 01:38:44,021 --> 01:38:45,471 and you say you're a family. 2297 01:38:45,471 --> 01:38:47,300 That's the GAA. 2298 01:38:47,300 --> 01:38:49,164 You don't get transferred anywhere. 2299 01:38:49,164 --> 01:38:51,028 You stay where you are. 2300 01:38:51,028 --> 01:38:52,409 This is your home. 2301 01:38:52,409 --> 01:38:54,480 This is where you live and breathe, 2302 01:38:54,480 --> 01:38:55,584 build all your memories. 2303 01:38:55,584 --> 01:38:58,001 And this is your county, because Ireland, 2304 01:38:58,001 --> 01:39:01,280 some people might not know, is divided into 32 counties. 2305 01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:05,284 My parents are both Waterford-born and bred. 2306 01:39:05,284 --> 01:39:07,527 My mother was very-- actually, both of my parents, 2307 01:39:07,527 --> 01:39:10,047 very proud of their Waterford background, 2308 01:39:10,047 --> 01:39:11,704 and that's a form of tribalism. 2309 01:39:11,704 --> 01:39:13,395 But then you have the GAA, which, in my view, 2310 01:39:13,395 --> 01:39:15,397 is one of the greatest organizations 2311 01:39:15,397 --> 01:39:19,332 of the 20th and 21st centuries, an organization that's managed 2312 01:39:19,332 --> 01:39:23,371 to develop a code of sport that only exists in one country. 2313 01:39:23,371 --> 01:39:26,477 And that means that our county identities are so vital to us. 2314 01:39:26,477 --> 01:39:29,032 So, I'm a Waterford fan, and I'll always be, 2315 01:39:29,032 --> 01:39:31,586 and I'll always feel particular affection for 2316 01:39:31,586 --> 01:39:35,141 and devotion to all things Waterford. 2317 01:39:35,141 --> 01:39:36,591 You can't leave your county behind. 2318 01:39:36,591 --> 01:39:39,042 Your county's always in you, no matter what parts 2319 01:39:39,042 --> 01:39:41,044 of the country or the world you're in. 2320 01:39:41,044 --> 01:39:42,493 You see it on our small island, 2321 01:39:42,493 --> 01:39:44,633 just the differences, north and south, 2322 01:39:44,633 --> 01:39:46,601 even in the north, within the north. 2323 01:39:46,601 --> 01:39:49,776 I always think that the border is not between north and south, 2324 01:39:49,776 --> 01:39:52,124 but it's within the communities in Ireland. 2325 01:39:52,124 --> 01:39:54,091 I think we are quite tribal. 2326 01:39:54,091 --> 01:39:56,991 I think we have a strong sense of community, 2327 01:39:56,991 --> 01:39:58,716 neighbors and the squinting windows 2328 01:39:58,716 --> 01:40:00,546 and all that kind of stuff, 2329 01:40:00,546 --> 01:40:03,100 everything from language to sports to food 2330 01:40:03,100 --> 01:40:04,722 distinguished the characteristics 2331 01:40:04,722 --> 01:40:05,965 of those different tribes. 2332 01:40:05,965 --> 01:40:07,622 Frankly, long may it continue. 2333 01:40:07,622 --> 01:40:10,038 I'd hate to think of it as just one, you know, um, 2334 01:40:10,038 --> 01:40:12,661 amorphous kind of blob. 2335 01:40:12,661 --> 01:40:15,664 Mr. President, 25 years ago, 2336 01:40:15,664 --> 01:40:19,151 a different band of dreamers and realists, men and women, 2337 01:40:19,151 --> 01:40:21,256 peacemakers and idealists, 2338 01:40:21,256 --> 01:40:23,224 came together to make a new promise 2339 01:40:23,224 --> 01:40:26,917 to a new generation of people on this island. 2340 01:40:26,917 --> 01:40:29,299 It was the promise of peace, 2341 01:40:29,299 --> 01:40:33,165 of a future free from violence and the fear of violence. 2342 01:40:33,165 --> 01:40:36,651 When I grew up through 30 years of violence on this island, 2343 01:40:36,651 --> 01:40:39,861 saw a lot of things I wouldn't like anybody else to see. 2344 01:40:39,861 --> 01:40:42,139 I think there's a very strong chance that some form 2345 01:40:42,139 --> 01:40:46,281 of agreed Ireland could emerge over the next couple of decades. 2346 01:40:46,281 --> 01:40:48,145 I think we've got to be very careful 2347 01:40:48,145 --> 01:40:50,113 how we move forward on this. 2348 01:40:50,113 --> 01:40:54,358 I find it disappointing that the last 25 years of peace 2349 01:40:54,358 --> 01:40:58,190 haven't made more progress towards greater understanding 2350 01:40:58,190 --> 01:40:59,467 on the island of Ireland, 2351 01:40:59,467 --> 01:41:01,814 and there's still very deep divisions, 2352 01:41:01,814 --> 01:41:02,918 but I do recognize that we are 2353 01:41:02,918 --> 01:41:06,439 at an inflection point, as Joe Biden often says, 2354 01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:08,476 where things in the future may be very different 2355 01:41:08,476 --> 01:41:10,616 from the way they are now. 2356 01:41:10,616 --> 01:41:14,516 I mean, frankly, my main concern with United Ireland 2357 01:41:14,516 --> 01:41:16,415 is less about the economic 2358 01:41:16,415 --> 01:41:19,418 and more about the societal side of things. 2359 01:41:19,418 --> 01:41:21,799 Look, you know, I'm very proud to be Irish, 2360 01:41:21,799 --> 01:41:24,906 but we can't have a situation where 2361 01:41:24,906 --> 01:41:28,185 one group forces another group into United Ireland. 2362 01:41:28,185 --> 01:41:30,153 I don't think it'll ever come by force. 2363 01:41:30,153 --> 01:41:32,741 I don't think it can and nor should it. 2364 01:41:32,741 --> 01:41:35,951 When we were children, Dad brought us to every county, 2365 01:41:35,951 --> 01:41:37,539 north and south, 2366 01:41:37,539 --> 01:41:39,541 and my mum is from Omeath in County Louth, 2367 01:41:39,541 --> 01:41:41,716 which is right on the border. 2368 01:41:41,716 --> 01:41:43,925 It was in the middle of the Troubles, 2369 01:41:43,925 --> 01:41:47,377 and we heard across the way what was going on in Newry 2370 01:41:47,377 --> 01:41:49,275 and in the north and in County Down, 2371 01:41:49,275 --> 01:41:50,518 you could hear what was happening. 2372 01:41:50,518 --> 01:41:52,968 I would vote for a United Ireland. 2373 01:41:52,968 --> 01:41:55,005 I would. I'd like to see it. 2374 01:41:55,005 --> 01:41:58,146 I'm looking forward to the future we all share. 2375 01:41:58,146 --> 01:42:00,459 There's so much cultural significance 2376 01:42:00,459 --> 01:42:02,150 to Northern Ireland. 2377 01:42:02,150 --> 01:42:03,979 There's so much history and rich culture, 2378 01:42:03,979 --> 01:42:07,293 that it would be really lovely to see United Ireland. 2379 01:42:07,293 --> 01:42:09,813 But I don't think our opinion is as important 2380 01:42:09,813 --> 01:42:12,229 in this debate as, like, someone living 2381 01:42:12,229 --> 01:42:13,851 in Northern Ireland at the moment. 2382 01:42:13,851 --> 01:42:15,577 I think they're really in the hotspot. 2383 01:42:15,577 --> 01:42:18,477 It's really them who need to be looked after. 2384 01:42:19,788 --> 01:42:21,963 If, in a referendum, 2385 01:42:21,963 --> 01:42:25,277 a United Ireland was voted for by a majority, 2386 01:42:25,277 --> 01:42:27,796 would you accept that? 2387 01:42:30,661 --> 01:42:32,629 You can see it c-- And what do you think 2388 01:42:32,629 --> 01:42:36,633 the community here, you know, would think about it? 2389 01:42:52,614 --> 01:42:54,616 We've just come up from the south amazed to see 2390 01:42:54,616 --> 01:42:57,861 so many Union Jack flags promoting one view. 2391 01:42:57,861 --> 01:43:00,415 Does that surprise you, or do you just take it for granted? 2392 01:43:00,415 --> 01:43:05,248 I'm not surprised, but I am disappointed. 2393 01:43:05,248 --> 01:43:07,250 It doesn't represent me. 2394 01:43:07,250 --> 01:43:09,113 And even though I might have been 2395 01:43:09,113 --> 01:43:14,705 from a very loyalist place geographically, growing up, 2396 01:43:14,705 --> 01:43:19,503 these flags excludes others that I don't want excluded. 2397 01:43:19,503 --> 01:43:20,642 Wallace is, you know, your maiden name? 2398 01:43:20,642 --> 01:43:22,265 Maiden name, yes. 2399 01:43:22,265 --> 01:43:24,819 - O'Neill is you-- - Is my married name. 2400 01:43:24,819 --> 01:43:27,546 Does that seem like a cross-border divide? 2401 01:43:27,546 --> 01:43:28,788 It was when we got... 2402 01:43:28,788 --> 01:43:30,928 Yes, it was when we got married. Yeah. Yes. 2403 01:43:30,928 --> 01:43:34,346 We're marr-- uh, 2005, we got married. 2404 01:43:34,346 --> 01:43:36,037 We started dating in 2000, 2405 01:43:36,037 --> 01:43:38,073 you know, two years after the Good Friday Agreement. 2406 01:43:38,073 --> 01:43:40,835 So... but even two years after the Good Friday Agreement, yeah, 2407 01:43:40,835 --> 01:43:43,734 there was still definitely, for sure. 2408 01:43:43,734 --> 01:43:46,944 So, Sophia, would you vote for United Ireland? 2409 01:43:46,944 --> 01:43:49,326 Uh, I think I would. 2410 01:43:49,326 --> 01:43:50,948 I think it's easy enough for us to say, yeah, 2411 01:43:50,948 --> 01:43:53,330 we would want that and, yeah, we would want 2412 01:43:53,330 --> 01:43:55,815 to be united, and we would want to be one state, 2413 01:43:55,815 --> 01:43:58,093 but obviously there's people here that wouldn't want that. 2414 01:43:58,093 --> 01:43:59,750 It's not gonna be straightforward, 2415 01:43:59,750 --> 01:44:01,407 and I'm sure there's lots of people 2416 01:44:01,407 --> 01:44:03,616 who would--who would fear it, probably. 2417 01:44:03,616 --> 01:44:06,101 And, yes, the violence, I suppose, is something 2418 01:44:06,101 --> 01:44:07,413 we would be worried about. 2419 01:44:07,413 --> 01:44:10,244 We don't want to go back down that path again. 2420 01:44:10,244 --> 01:44:13,902 Once it comes up, and there is a lot of chat and talk about, 2421 01:44:13,902 --> 01:44:16,940 at the time, whenever it comes to a referendum, 2422 01:44:16,940 --> 01:44:18,976 if it does happen, then it will-- 2423 01:44:18,976 --> 01:44:23,464 I think there's... there's certainly... 2424 01:44:23,464 --> 01:44:28,365 the very high potential for trouble or... issues, 2425 01:44:28,365 --> 01:44:30,540 as you say, Northern Irish-based issues 2426 01:44:30,540 --> 01:44:31,920 that we're all very well aware of. 2427 01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:34,682 So, I suppose making Ireland better known for is 2428 01:44:34,682 --> 01:44:36,856 places such as this, as opposed to the violence 2429 01:44:36,856 --> 01:44:39,721 and the troubles that have hopefully seen the last of. 2430 01:44:39,721 --> 01:44:41,585 Time will tell, I suppose. 2431 01:44:41,585 --> 01:44:46,245 I often see within a teenage setting 2432 01:44:46,245 --> 01:44:48,627 that there's potential for them to have 2433 01:44:48,627 --> 01:44:51,077 very extreme polar views. 2434 01:44:51,077 --> 01:44:54,288 But there are a large growing amount of peoples 2435 01:44:54,288 --> 01:44:56,945 from different sides of the community 2436 01:44:56,945 --> 01:44:59,431 consciously deciding to be educated 2437 01:44:59,431 --> 01:45:02,226 in an atmosphere of tolerance and respect. 2438 01:45:02,226 --> 01:45:04,781 For me, it's live and let live. You get on with your life, 2439 01:45:04,781 --> 01:45:06,817 you do your best for your family, for your children. 2440 01:45:06,817 --> 01:45:09,717 You know, it just-- it spans generations. 2441 01:45:09,717 --> 01:45:13,203 And until that finishes, I don't think we'll get very far. 2442 01:45:13,203 --> 01:45:14,618 This island is for everyone. 2443 01:45:14,618 --> 01:45:16,102 Northern Ireland is for everyone. 2444 01:45:16,102 --> 01:45:17,932 Times are changin', and I think a lot of people 2445 01:45:17,932 --> 01:45:22,350 wanna just get on and move on with the future. 2446 01:45:25,146 --> 01:45:28,391 These are typically Irish language, Gaelic names. 2447 01:45:28,391 --> 01:45:29,771 Uh-huh. 2448 01:45:29,771 --> 01:45:32,429 Could you see if you can try and pronounce... 2449 01:45:32,429 --> 01:45:34,017 - Okay. - ...any of these--the top... 2450 01:45:34,017 --> 01:45:35,881 Wow. 2451 01:45:35,881 --> 01:45:37,400 Just trying to ask you, how you pronounce it? 2452 01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:38,470 Ah. 2453 01:45:38,470 --> 01:45:40,299 No, that's not fair, guys. 2454 01:45:40,299 --> 01:45:41,852 That's not fair at all. 2455 01:45:41,852 --> 01:45:44,372 Oh, good heavens. [laughs] Oh. 2456 01:45:44,372 --> 01:45:47,064 Oh, my God. This--I'm the-- 2457 01:45:47,064 --> 01:45:48,307 I'm the wrong Irishman to bring this to. 2458 01:45:48,307 --> 01:45:51,034 Okay, I'm gonna try. 2459 01:45:51,034 --> 01:45:52,622 Ai-ofee? 2460 01:45:52,622 --> 01:45:54,209 - Auf-fee? - Oaf-fee? 2461 01:45:54,209 --> 01:45:57,523 A-fee? Auf-fee? 2462 01:45:57,523 --> 01:45:58,869 - Wuff? -[laughs] No. 2463 01:45:58,869 --> 01:46:00,181 A-wuff? 2464 01:46:00,181 --> 01:46:02,597 Ao-fee? 2465 01:46:02,597 --> 01:46:04,772 No, it's not ao-fee. 2466 01:46:04,772 --> 01:46:06,014 Ee-fah. 2467 01:46:06,014 --> 01:46:07,809 Dare-buh. 2468 01:46:07,809 --> 01:46:09,984 - Deir-bruha? - It's Deir-bruha? 2469 01:46:09,984 --> 01:46:11,399 Dervla. 2470 01:46:11,399 --> 01:46:12,745 Deir-blah? 2471 01:46:12,745 --> 01:46:14,851 Deer-blah? 2472 01:46:18,475 --> 01:46:19,718 Derv-lah. 2473 01:46:19,718 --> 01:46:22,065 Pay-drag. 2474 01:46:22,065 --> 01:46:23,411 Pa-dreg. 2475 01:46:23,411 --> 01:46:25,033 Pa-dring? 2476 01:46:25,033 --> 01:46:26,759 Par-rig. Par-rig. 2477 01:46:26,759 --> 01:46:28,761 She-bahn. 2478 01:46:28,761 --> 01:46:30,142 Shu-ban? 2479 01:46:30,142 --> 01:46:31,799 Shu-ban. 2480 01:46:31,799 --> 01:46:33,352 Shi-vahn. 2481 01:46:33,352 --> 01:46:35,906 And... Say-orze? 2482 01:46:35,906 --> 01:46:37,080 Syource? 2483 01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:39,047 Soar-cee. 2484 01:46:39,047 --> 01:46:40,255 Seer-saw. 2485 01:46:40,255 --> 01:46:43,707 I don't know. 2486 01:46:43,707 --> 01:46:46,607 Ser-sha. Ser-sha. Ser-sha. 2487 01:46:46,607 --> 01:46:47,642 - May. - May. 2488 01:46:47,642 --> 01:46:49,023 - May. 2489 01:46:49,023 --> 01:46:51,577 - Yeah, I got one? Yes! - That's right? 2490 01:46:51,577 --> 01:46:53,614 And a few, I came close. Yeah, it's... 2491 01:46:53,614 --> 01:46:57,756 It takes a lot of imagination, though. 2492 01:46:57,756 --> 01:47:00,897 Well done. I'm impressed that you did... 2493 01:47:00,897 --> 01:47:03,002 - Cheers. Frank is much easier. 2494 01:47:03,002 --> 01:47:04,694 You were sensible enough 2495 01:47:04,694 --> 01:47:08,111 to give your firstborn son a pronounceable Irish name. 2496 01:47:08,111 --> 01:47:11,217 - What did you choose? - Sean. Sean. 2497 01:47:11,217 --> 01:47:13,599 Yes. 2498 01:47:13,599 --> 01:47:15,705 This is a very sensible name. 2499 01:47:15,705 --> 01:47:18,742 I remember the morning we named him very well. 2500 01:47:18,742 --> 01:47:20,641 We were an Acapulco. 2501 01:47:20,641 --> 01:47:22,712 Anyway, that's another story. 2502 01:47:22,712 --> 01:47:24,714 You have to help me with the Gaelic expression, 2503 01:47:24,714 --> 01:47:27,233 "100,000 welcomes." What's it? 2504 01:47:27,233 --> 01:47:30,823 - Céad Míle Fáilte. - Céad Míle Fáilte. 2505 01:47:30,823 --> 01:47:32,584 Bob Geldof said that the English 2506 01:47:32,584 --> 01:47:34,413 never understood the Irish. 2507 01:47:34,413 --> 01:47:36,553 Do you think that? 2508 01:47:36,553 --> 01:47:40,833 Um... Maybe the language. Possibly. 2509 01:47:40,833 --> 01:47:43,802 So, in the great void of the Famine, 2510 01:47:43,802 --> 01:47:46,598 uh, this is cliché for all Irish people. Sorry. 2511 01:47:46,598 --> 01:47:49,946 But, um, in the great void that was left, 2512 01:47:49,946 --> 01:47:53,363 a set of artists had to invent a sense of ourselves. 2513 01:47:53,363 --> 01:47:55,779 They had to take the language hostage 2514 01:47:55,779 --> 01:47:58,161 that they were given and wrestle with it 2515 01:47:58,161 --> 01:48:00,819 and make it their own, which they very successfully did. 2516 01:48:00,819 --> 01:48:02,372 We always talk about this, that we're really happy 2517 01:48:02,372 --> 01:48:03,891 that our first feature film 2518 01:48:03,891 --> 01:48:05,824 was in our mother tongue, in the Irish language. 2519 01:48:05,824 --> 01:48:07,273 And there's a lovely saying, isn't there? 2520 01:48:07,273 --> 01:48:09,483 An old Irish saying, "Tír gan teanga, tír gan anam," 2521 01:48:09,483 --> 01:48:11,208 which means, 2522 01:48:11,208 --> 01:48:14,315 "A country without a language is a country without a soul." 2523 01:48:14,315 --> 01:48:16,800 And we're so lucky that we have our own indigenous language 2524 01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:19,182 here in Ireland and that it's--it's spoken. 2525 01:48:19,182 --> 01:48:22,461 And hopefully it's experiencing somewhat of a revival, 2526 01:48:22,461 --> 01:48:24,946 you know, of late, so... 2527 01:48:24,946 --> 01:48:27,328 I can't even say it in the pa-- Is fuath liom an Ghaeilge. 2528 01:48:27,328 --> 01:48:29,606 Like, that means, "I hate Irish," doesn't it? 2529 01:48:29,606 --> 01:48:31,781 But I don't hate Irish. I love Irish. 2530 01:48:31,781 --> 01:48:35,439 I hated Irish--I hated Irish in school, like, so badly. 2531 01:48:35,439 --> 01:48:37,131 You can't go to the toilet unless you can say it 2532 01:48:37,131 --> 01:48:39,374 in the lang--like, like, so it was... 2533 01:48:39,374 --> 01:48:41,687 or if you had to get lines, and I always had to do lines. 2534 01:48:41,687 --> 01:48:43,206 You'd have to write the lines in Irish. 2535 01:48:43,206 --> 01:48:45,173 So, I just, like, associated it with, like, pun-- 2536 01:48:45,173 --> 01:48:46,554 like, punishment. 2537 01:48:46,554 --> 01:48:48,176 The great thing about Irish 2538 01:48:48,176 --> 01:48:50,316 is everyone becomes very fluent in Irish 2539 01:48:50,316 --> 01:48:52,422 when they go on holidays, and they want to talk about 2540 01:48:52,422 --> 01:48:55,701 the English-speaking people on the beach beside them. 2541 01:48:55,701 --> 01:48:57,323 And suddenly we're all able 2542 01:48:57,323 --> 01:48:59,843 to put a couple of sentences in Irish together. 2543 01:48:59,843 --> 01:49:02,328 As a man who loves to complain about things, 2544 01:49:02,328 --> 01:49:05,849 to complain in Irish would have its own joys. 2545 01:49:05,849 --> 01:49:07,989 An bhfuil cead agam dul go dtí an leithreas? 2546 01:49:07,989 --> 01:49:09,922 which, if you don't know, is, 2547 01:49:09,922 --> 01:49:12,476 "Can I go to the toilet, please?" 2548 01:49:12,476 --> 01:49:14,340 And every Irish person remembers-- 2549 01:49:14,340 --> 01:49:16,204 if they remember nothing, they remember that because 2550 01:49:16,204 --> 01:49:19,380 they had to use it in school if they needed to go for a wee. 2551 01:49:19,380 --> 01:49:23,246 So... An bhfuil cead agam dul go dtí an leithreas? 2552 01:49:23,246 --> 01:49:25,731 And if you say it like that, it sounds very grand, 2553 01:49:25,731 --> 01:49:27,664 but it's not at all. 2554 01:49:27,664 --> 01:49:29,908 The main one being "sláinte," 2555 01:49:29,908 --> 01:49:32,186 it's used, I think, on many an occasion 2556 01:49:32,186 --> 01:49:34,671 When I go to Ireland, it's several times a day. 2557 01:49:36,293 --> 01:49:40,194 Wasn't it an incredible act of destruction 2558 01:49:40,194 --> 01:49:42,921 to prohibit people speaking their language, 2559 01:49:42,921 --> 01:49:46,649 to change all the names of their terrain and their ecology? 2560 01:49:46,649 --> 01:49:48,651 Punish children if they use the language, 2561 01:49:48,651 --> 01:49:51,999 and the nonsense of suggesting that there is 2562 01:49:51,999 --> 01:49:54,104 something subversive about using a language 2563 01:49:54,104 --> 01:49:58,005 that was used by all of us. It is just so objectionable. 2564 01:49:58,005 --> 01:50:00,628 It was associated with the mind of empire. 2565 01:50:00,628 --> 01:50:02,078 We're not out of it. 2566 01:50:02,078 --> 01:50:04,770 The cúpla focal isn't good enough anymore. 2567 01:50:18,094 --> 01:50:22,270 My mother May is still alive. We speak every day. 2568 01:50:22,270 --> 01:50:23,789 May is 91. 2569 01:50:23,789 --> 01:50:26,827 There was time lost, 2570 01:50:26,827 --> 01:50:29,036 you know, at the beginning of our lives together. 2571 01:50:29,036 --> 01:50:35,042 She was 19, 20 when she had me. 2572 01:50:35,042 --> 01:50:38,839 It's very young. Very young. 2573 01:50:38,839 --> 01:50:40,806 We'd had so many years of separation 2574 01:50:40,806 --> 01:50:42,946 and hellos and goodbyes. 2575 01:50:42,946 --> 01:50:47,779 So, we--we--we've made up a lot of life over the years. 2576 01:50:47,779 --> 01:50:54,578 Thank God for her that she had the courage to set sail and... 2577 01:50:54,578 --> 01:50:56,235 "The hell with the lot of you. 2578 01:50:56,235 --> 01:50:59,100 I'm gonna make a life for my son and myself." 2579 01:50:59,100 --> 01:51:03,933 The success that I've had has been shared with her, 2580 01:51:03,933 --> 01:51:07,246 and she comes on the set with me from time to time. 2581 01:51:07,246 --> 01:51:10,974 I try to find movies in that neck of the woods 2582 01:51:10,974 --> 01:51:15,151 just so I can continue that... that kinship. 2583 01:51:15,151 --> 01:51:18,879 My mother May is a strong, strong lady, 2584 01:51:18,879 --> 01:51:22,745 philosophical, Irish. The Irish mammy. 2585 01:51:22,745 --> 01:51:24,539 What is a typical Irish mammy? 2586 01:51:24,539 --> 01:51:27,646 Very protective and, um... 2587 01:51:27,646 --> 01:51:30,856 loving and... kind of... 2588 01:51:30,856 --> 01:51:32,375 It's a slightly negative connotation as well. 2589 01:51:32,375 --> 01:51:33,756 - Yeah. - Isn't there? 2590 01:51:33,756 --> 01:51:36,413 There's this sense of, like, an over-mothering, perhaps. 2591 01:51:36,413 --> 01:51:38,830 You're not overprotective. He's just-- 2592 01:51:38,830 --> 01:51:40,763 - He's just always made sure... - Like a mammy. 2593 01:51:40,763 --> 01:51:43,075 ...I'm al-- 2594 01:51:43,075 --> 01:51:45,560 You're asking me, is an Irish mammy a thing? 2595 01:51:45,560 --> 01:51:47,183 I am such an Irish mammy. 2596 01:51:47,183 --> 01:51:50,048 Yes, an Irish mammy is completely a thing. 2597 01:51:50,048 --> 01:51:52,050 She never stops being an Irish mammy. 2598 01:51:52,050 --> 01:51:54,431 Every Irish mammy wakes up every morning, 2599 01:51:54,431 --> 01:51:57,089 and she wants her babies all around her. 2600 01:51:57,089 --> 01:51:59,229 That's an Irish mammy for you. 2601 01:51:59,229 --> 01:52:02,163 What is an Irish mammy anymore look like? 2602 01:52:02,163 --> 01:52:04,372 If it means loads of good cooking, I-I know 2603 01:52:04,372 --> 01:52:07,721 I'm not an Irish mammy. Not a great one. 2604 01:52:11,276 --> 01:52:14,279 What I love is that wherever you are in the world, 2605 01:52:14,279 --> 01:52:16,522 the minute you hear a flicker of an Irish accent, 2606 01:52:16,522 --> 01:52:20,630 it's like moths to a flame, and all of a sudden you realize 2607 01:52:20,630 --> 01:52:22,563 that you either went to the same school together 2608 01:52:22,563 --> 01:52:24,738 or you're somehow related. 2609 01:52:24,738 --> 01:52:27,223 That's the lovely thing that I love about being Irish. 2610 01:52:27,223 --> 01:52:28,707 It's everywhere. 2611 01:52:28,707 --> 01:52:33,470 On my mom's side, a Brown is in our family line, so I have, 2612 01:52:33,470 --> 01:52:36,439 I think, 13 or 18% Irish. 2613 01:52:36,439 --> 01:52:37,785 My father's French. He's from Paris, 2614 01:52:37,785 --> 01:52:39,407 and my mother is Irish. 2615 01:52:39,407 --> 01:52:42,548 Is there a dilemma watching Ireland and France-- 2616 01:52:42,548 --> 01:52:45,103 No, there's no dilemma. We're always for the greens. 2617 01:52:45,103 --> 01:52:47,312 We like saying we have the double nationality-- 2618 01:52:47,312 --> 01:52:48,727 French and Irish. 2619 01:52:48,727 --> 01:52:50,211 Everybody's very surprised and happy 2620 01:52:50,211 --> 01:52:53,007 and interested to know why. 2621 01:52:53,007 --> 01:52:56,010 Look at my name-- Rory and Guinness. 2622 01:52:56,010 --> 01:52:58,323 You don't get much more Irish than that. 2623 01:52:58,323 --> 01:52:59,980 I'm an American citizen, 2624 01:52:59,980 --> 01:53:02,603 but my soul is Irish. 2625 01:53:02,603 --> 01:53:04,950 The spirit of me is Irish. 2626 01:53:04,950 --> 01:53:08,402 I-I can certainly feel it in my bones and my blood, 2627 01:53:08,402 --> 01:53:09,921 being Irish, 2628 01:53:09,921 --> 01:53:12,061 what that means, our ancestors, 2629 01:53:12,061 --> 01:53:13,994 the religion, of course. 2630 01:53:13,994 --> 01:53:18,170 The religion plays such a strong part of it. 2631 01:53:18,170 --> 01:53:20,034 I like the God I pray to, 2632 01:53:20,034 --> 01:53:21,587 the one that I've created for myself 2633 01:53:21,587 --> 01:53:24,487 and the prayers that I've remembered. 2634 01:53:24,487 --> 01:53:27,386 But I have my own-- my own words with him 2635 01:53:27,386 --> 01:53:31,874 on a daily basis of-- always with gratitude, I think, 2636 01:53:31,874 --> 01:53:34,531 just for this day and all the days of my life. 2637 01:53:34,531 --> 01:53:38,052 You know, it's such a mystery. 2638 01:53:38,052 --> 01:53:39,951 There's no doubt that any Irish person 2639 01:53:39,951 --> 01:53:42,401 never really loses their Irishness. 2640 01:53:42,401 --> 01:53:44,610 You know, I have a lot of, uh, family in America 2641 01:53:44,610 --> 01:53:46,440 that have been there for over 30 years, 2642 01:53:46,440 --> 01:53:48,269 and they've become even more Irish. 2643 01:53:48,269 --> 01:53:49,650 You're much more aware of your Irishness 2644 01:53:49,650 --> 01:53:51,721 sometimes, I think, when you live abroad. 2645 01:53:51,721 --> 01:53:55,242 Well, I'm a very proud Irishwoman, first of all. 2646 01:53:55,242 --> 01:53:57,589 I'm also a very proud Ulster woman. 2647 01:53:57,589 --> 01:54:00,523 It all adds to the complexities of all of our histories, 2648 01:54:00,523 --> 01:54:03,215 because it's only when you start to look back 2649 01:54:03,215 --> 01:54:06,046 that it's not quite as simple as we all thought. 2650 01:54:06,046 --> 01:54:08,634 We are ourselves not British. We are Norman, 2651 01:54:08,634 --> 01:54:12,466 so it's normally French bastard, not English bastard. 2652 01:54:12,466 --> 01:54:14,192 We've always been different than many 2653 01:54:14,192 --> 01:54:16,021 of the other titled folk. 2654 01:54:16,021 --> 01:54:17,989 We've embraced being Irish. 2655 01:54:17,989 --> 01:54:19,680 I've often asked, 2656 01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:21,958 "If you were only allowed one passport, which would you keep?" 2657 01:54:21,958 --> 01:54:23,339 I said, in a heartbeat, 2658 01:54:23,339 --> 01:54:25,168 I get rid of my British passport, 2659 01:54:25,168 --> 01:54:27,308 even if it meant taking away the title. So what? 2660 01:54:27,308 --> 01:54:29,552 We have Irish passports. We're Irish. 2661 01:54:29,552 --> 01:54:32,106 I'm Irish. Regardless of whether it be the north or the south. 2662 01:54:32,106 --> 01:54:34,798 To be Irish is now something 2663 01:54:34,798 --> 01:54:39,044 as diverse as the way we talk, the number of games we play. 2664 01:54:39,044 --> 01:54:42,116 It's something that's so inclusive, 2665 01:54:42,116 --> 01:54:44,291 and I see the new Irish and the people who were 2666 01:54:44,291 --> 01:54:45,982 born outside this state, who now live in this state, 2667 01:54:45,982 --> 01:54:48,295 and they're proud to be Irish. 2668 01:54:48,295 --> 01:54:50,711 I've been away from Ireland longer than I lived in Ireland. 2669 01:54:50,711 --> 01:54:53,507 When I first started going back in the early 2000s, 2670 01:54:53,507 --> 01:54:56,096 what really struck me was the development, 2671 01:54:56,096 --> 01:54:57,856 and now when you go back, that diversity, 2672 01:54:57,856 --> 01:54:59,271 you know, it's beautiful to see. 2673 01:54:59,271 --> 01:55:01,066 We're a very international family 2674 01:55:01,066 --> 01:55:02,412 and a very international people. 2675 01:55:02,412 --> 01:55:05,381 Irishness, and we're now learning this, by the way, 2676 01:55:05,381 --> 01:55:08,591 more and more, it cannot be confined 2677 01:55:08,591 --> 01:55:13,320 to a stereotype of people who look and sound like me. 2678 01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:15,839 So, I remember trying to speak about racism. 2679 01:55:15,839 --> 01:55:21,190 Um, like, like, as a child, you know, as a young woman, 2680 01:55:21,190 --> 01:55:24,538 you would just be met with, like, a wall of anger 2681 01:55:24,538 --> 01:55:28,300 and, like, just, like, such, such defensiveness. 2682 01:55:28,300 --> 01:55:30,716 For me, it's really interesting that now in Ireland, 2683 01:55:30,716 --> 01:55:33,236 there's a thirst to have those conversations. 2684 01:55:33,236 --> 01:55:35,894 It's a story that we've made a lot of effort 2685 01:55:35,894 --> 01:55:37,758 to reflect Ireland as it is today. 2686 01:55:37,758 --> 01:55:40,105 The immigration system that exists in our name 2687 01:55:40,105 --> 01:55:42,521 is currently in contrast 2688 01:55:42,521 --> 01:55:45,697 to the Ireland of a thousand welcomes that we're so used to. 2689 01:55:45,697 --> 01:55:48,527 So, I am Irish and Nigerian. 2690 01:55:48,527 --> 01:55:50,840 My mum's Irish. My dad's Nigerian. 2691 01:55:50,840 --> 01:55:56,880 I was born in Dublin, um, at a time where Black people, 2692 01:55:56,880 --> 01:56:00,125 anybody who wasn't white, anybody that was, like, 2693 01:56:00,125 --> 01:56:04,060 in any way different, was extremely rare-- 2694 01:56:04,060 --> 01:56:06,442 a very different Ireland to the Ireland of today. 2695 01:56:06,442 --> 01:56:09,065 Then there was me in the midst of all that. 2696 01:56:09,065 --> 01:56:11,205 There were so many people who'd, like, 2697 01:56:11,205 --> 01:56:14,277 never seen a person who wasn't white before. 2698 01:56:14,277 --> 01:56:16,107 I know that because they told me. 2699 01:56:16,107 --> 01:56:17,729 I know that because literally, 2700 01:56:17,729 --> 01:56:19,524 people would, like, cross the--the street 2701 01:56:19,524 --> 01:56:21,319 to, like, look at me, to, like, touch my hair, 2702 01:56:21,319 --> 01:56:22,803 and then share with me 2703 01:56:22,803 --> 01:56:25,806 that they'd--they'd never met a Black person before. 2704 01:56:25,806 --> 01:56:28,395 Um, so I was, like, the first Black person 2705 01:56:28,395 --> 01:56:31,329 that a lot of people met, and that was, um, I guess, 2706 01:56:31,329 --> 01:56:34,435 for--for most of those people, this is their first time. 2707 01:56:34,435 --> 01:56:36,748 But this was something that kind of, like, determined, 2708 01:56:36,748 --> 01:56:39,716 um, my everyday existence, 2709 01:56:39,716 --> 01:56:42,340 so it was quite-- it was quite exhausting. 2710 01:56:42,340 --> 01:56:44,618 And then there was just-- 2711 01:56:44,618 --> 01:56:48,518 there was the constant, um... refrain, 2712 01:56:48,518 --> 01:56:50,762 the constant reiteration that I wasn't-- 2713 01:56:50,762 --> 01:56:52,384 that I wasn't really Irish, 2714 01:56:52,384 --> 01:56:57,907 um, which was difficult because I wasn't from anywhere else. 2715 01:56:57,907 --> 01:57:00,323 You know, I didn't have-- like, my dad's from Nigeria, 2716 01:57:00,323 --> 01:57:02,256 but I was born and raised in Ireland. 2717 01:57:02,256 --> 01:57:04,707 So, I didn't-- 2718 01:57:04,707 --> 01:57:07,744 Often when I spoke, people-- and I had a Dublin accent, 2719 01:57:07,744 --> 01:57:10,161 people would be really shocked, and they'd be like, 2720 01:57:10,161 --> 01:57:12,025 "Oh, I thought you'd be American. 2721 01:57:12,025 --> 01:57:13,647 I thought you'd be Jamaican, 2722 01:57:13,647 --> 01:57:16,822 I thought you'd be, like, anything, um, but Irish." 2723 01:57:16,822 --> 01:57:23,864 And... I feel it was also, like, my claims to Irishness 2724 01:57:23,864 --> 01:57:31,044 that, um, provoked quite hostile responses from people, um, 2725 01:57:31,044 --> 01:57:34,978 because certainly at that time, to be Irish meant to be white. 2726 01:57:34,978 --> 01:57:38,534 It was all just like, a lot, you know, for people to... 2727 01:57:38,534 --> 01:57:40,225 for people to process. 2728 01:57:40,225 --> 01:57:42,469 And then when I finished school, 2729 01:57:42,469 --> 01:57:45,989 I just wanted to be somewhere where I wasn't the Black girl. 2730 01:57:45,989 --> 01:57:48,164 I felt really angry towards Ireland. 2731 01:57:48,164 --> 01:57:51,547 In my mind, I was like, I used to be Irish. 2732 01:57:52,548 --> 01:57:54,308 It's quite interesting, though. Around the time I left 2733 01:57:54,308 --> 01:57:57,035 is around the time, um, Ireland--actually, it was 2734 01:57:57,035 --> 01:57:59,934 pretty much, like, maps perfectly onto each other, 2735 01:57:59,934 --> 01:58:01,591 is around the time Ireland 2736 01:58:01,591 --> 01:58:03,938 actually started to become more--more diverse. 2737 01:58:03,938 --> 01:58:05,388 So, just as I was leaving, 2738 01:58:05,388 --> 01:58:07,080 people from other parts of the world, 2739 01:58:07,080 --> 01:58:08,529 you know, were moving there. 2740 01:58:08,529 --> 01:58:11,567 So, there is now this whole population of people 2741 01:58:11,567 --> 01:58:14,017 who are Irish who aren't white. 2742 01:58:14,017 --> 01:58:15,605 And it feels far more ordinary now 2743 01:58:15,605 --> 01:58:17,676 than it did when I was a child. 2744 01:58:17,676 --> 01:58:19,989 When people ask me how I've managed to, like, hang on 2745 01:58:19,989 --> 01:58:21,646 to my Irish identity, it's like, 2746 01:58:21,646 --> 01:58:23,717 I don't think it's something I could lose, 2747 01:58:23,717 --> 01:58:27,548 because I feel it's, like, such a core-- 2748 01:58:27,548 --> 01:58:29,792 it's such a core part of me. 2749 01:58:29,792 --> 01:58:33,554 I'm not, like, desperate to be Irish. I just am Irish. 2750 01:58:33,554 --> 01:58:36,143 No, you're not. And then living here, 2751 01:58:36,143 --> 01:58:38,594 I really came to understand 2752 01:58:38,594 --> 01:58:40,906 my, like, worldview was very Irish, 2753 01:58:40,906 --> 01:58:44,531 and I saw, like, the really big cultural gap, distance, 2754 01:58:44,531 --> 01:58:49,743 gulf between me and, like, everyone I was meeting. 2755 01:58:49,743 --> 01:58:53,160 I feel like over the years I've been rehabilitating, 2756 01:58:53,160 --> 01:58:55,611 like, my relationship with Ireland, 2757 01:58:55,611 --> 01:58:57,958 that realization of how Irish I am. 2758 01:58:57,958 --> 01:59:04,861 In Ireland, there's like a surrealist, anarchic spirit. 2759 01:59:04,861 --> 01:59:07,864 Oh, why am I attracted here? 2760 01:59:07,864 --> 01:59:09,521 The land, the sea. 2761 01:59:09,521 --> 01:59:13,076 It's the attitude of the people, the anarchic quality. 2762 01:59:13,076 --> 01:59:18,944 I have never sat down and listed what it is that makes me happy. 2763 01:59:18,944 --> 01:59:23,673 When I go west of Skibbereen to where I live, 2764 01:59:23,673 --> 01:59:28,230 I'm honored that I've been accepted--a bastard Englishman. 2765 01:59:28,230 --> 01:59:31,474 I don't know. I always feel home is where the heart is. 2766 01:59:31,474 --> 01:59:33,269 When I'm here, my heart is here. 2767 01:59:33,269 --> 01:59:36,583 I love, uh, Ireland. I love this country. 2768 01:59:36,583 --> 01:59:41,070 I love the food, the people, the beers, everything. 2769 01:59:41,070 --> 01:59:43,210 - The weather? - The weather, too. 2770 01:59:43,210 --> 01:59:45,039 Yeah. Of course. 2771 01:59:45,039 --> 01:59:46,938 It is a great advantage 2772 01:59:46,938 --> 01:59:50,562 that so many people feel so positively towards Ireland. 2773 01:59:50,562 --> 01:59:54,566 It's the reputation, uh, that we have to protect. 2774 01:59:54,566 --> 01:59:58,156 The essence of Ireland is as a real contributor 2775 01:59:58,156 --> 02:00:02,505 and through a general desire to be a good global citizen 2776 02:00:02,505 --> 02:00:04,024 in a changing, challenging, 2777 02:00:04,024 --> 02:00:08,477 and, in some cases, rather dangerous world today. 2778 02:00:08,477 --> 02:00:09,823 What's amazing about Ireland 2779 02:00:09,823 --> 02:00:11,963 is that we were once the downtrodden, 2780 02:00:11,963 --> 02:00:13,654 and now we are not. 2781 02:00:13,654 --> 02:00:15,346 Ireland has become a wealthy country. 2782 02:00:15,346 --> 02:00:16,899 We weren't always. 2783 02:00:16,899 --> 02:00:19,971 So, this idea of us kind of suddenly forgetting 2784 02:00:19,971 --> 02:00:24,527 or not being interested in those who have less than us 2785 02:00:24,527 --> 02:00:27,081 shouldn't be in the Irish vocabulary, 2786 02:00:27,081 --> 02:00:28,704 shouldn't be in the mindset, 2787 02:00:28,704 --> 02:00:30,706 because we were once those people. 2788 02:00:30,706 --> 02:00:33,226 What the Americans always often talk about, 2789 02:00:33,226 --> 02:00:34,675 about the American dream-- 2790 02:00:34,675 --> 02:00:37,402 the American dream is the Irish dream. 2791 02:00:37,402 --> 02:00:39,577 That's what--what the Irish dream really is. 2792 02:00:39,577 --> 02:00:41,786 They just stole the idea. 2793 02:00:41,786 --> 02:00:44,064 Your story is the American dream, 2794 02:00:44,064 --> 02:00:47,964 but is it really the Irish dream? 2795 02:00:47,964 --> 02:00:51,485 Well, it's my dream, so... 2796 02:00:51,485 --> 02:00:54,488 You know, a man becomes what he dreams. 2797 02:00:54,488 --> 02:00:59,010 He travels far to find out who he is. 2798 02:00:59,010 --> 02:01:00,529 This country's been good to me. 2799 02:01:00,529 --> 02:01:03,290 Ireland's been good to me. England's been good to me. 2800 02:01:03,290 --> 02:01:06,500 I'm made up of all of these ingredients 2801 02:01:06,500 --> 02:01:10,159 of culture and friendship and people and work. 2802 02:01:10,159 --> 02:01:11,919 Work. 2803 02:01:11,919 --> 02:01:15,958 It's powerful if you can live creative life, artistic life, 2804 02:01:15,958 --> 02:01:18,305 and make sense of it and make money at doing it. 2805 02:01:20,376 --> 02:01:24,380 You know, uh, make a life for your family. 2806 02:01:25,208 --> 02:01:29,730 Anyway, that's enough about me. How was I in the second act? 2807 02:01:31,353 --> 02:01:33,493 If you kiss the Blarney Stone, 2808 02:01:33,493 --> 02:01:35,633 you're bestowed with a gift of eloquence. 2809 02:01:35,633 --> 02:01:38,670 Do you know, I've never kissed the Blarney Stone? 2810 02:01:38,670 --> 02:01:41,708 I must do that. Might shut me up for once and for all. 2811 02:01:41,708 --> 02:01:43,641 I have a bit of a fear of heights, and I do believe 2812 02:01:43,641 --> 02:01:45,608 you have to go all the way back and put your-- 2813 02:01:45,608 --> 02:01:47,334 No, not for me. Not for me. 2814 02:01:47,334 --> 02:01:48,991 Do you think begrudgery 2815 02:01:48,991 --> 02:01:51,476 is part of the Irish psyche? 2816 02:01:51,476 --> 02:01:53,547 Ah, look, I think we probably invented it. 2817 02:01:53,547 --> 02:01:56,170 There's nothing good about being second in life. 2818 02:01:56,170 --> 02:01:57,517 Rather be number one. 2819 02:01:57,517 --> 02:01:59,795 Have you been out to Jamaica to GoldenEye, 2820 02:01:59,795 --> 02:02:02,418 owned by Chris Blackwell? - I did, yes. 2821 02:02:02,418 --> 02:02:03,937 Keely and I went out there 2822 02:02:03,937 --> 02:02:06,215 when our little boy Dylan was a babby. 2823 02:02:06,215 --> 02:02:07,872 Oh. 2824 02:02:07,872 --> 02:02:11,358 I remember Kate Moss was there and Naomi Campbell... 2825 02:02:11,358 --> 02:02:13,671 ...was sitting, and Keely, bless her heart, 2826 02:02:13,671 --> 02:02:17,053 she was breastfeeding at the time--little baby boy. 2827 02:02:17,053 --> 02:02:19,573 But sitting there with Naomi Campbell 2828 02:02:19,573 --> 02:02:22,507 and Kate Moss, and they're topless. 2829 02:02:22,507 --> 02:02:25,545 "Oh, look at the baby. He's lovely. He's lovely" 2830 02:02:25,545 --> 02:02:28,202 while she's trying to nur-- he's trying to nurse. 2831 02:02:28,202 --> 02:02:31,758 "No, no, no, no. That's Mum." 2832 02:02:31,758 --> 02:02:33,242 Usain, I think you helped Ricky 2833 02:02:33,242 --> 02:02:35,071 get his honorary doctorate. 2834 02:02:35,071 --> 02:02:36,659 Dr. Simms. 2835 02:02:38,420 --> 02:02:39,800 - See? - You got yours first. 2836 02:02:39,800 --> 02:02:41,526 Exactly. That's what I'm saying. 2837 02:02:41,526 --> 02:02:42,700 I helped him to get his doctorate. 2838 02:02:42,700 --> 02:02:44,115 - I only got my-- - Yeah, I helped him. 2839 02:02:44,115 --> 02:02:45,634 If it wasn't for him, I would never have gotten it. 2840 02:02:45,634 --> 02:02:48,291 So--so, you're welcome. 2841 02:02:48,291 --> 02:02:50,673 - It's helped me a lot, actually. 2842 02:02:50,673 --> 02:02:53,469 - I've done a lot of surgeries. 2843 02:02:53,469 --> 02:02:55,678 Got a little fly here, which is... 2844 02:02:55,678 --> 02:02:58,612 It's electric? 2845 02:02:58,612 --> 02:03:00,476 There's always potatoes. 2846 02:03:00,476 --> 02:03:03,859 There's always, um, Ballymaloe Relish. 2847 02:03:03,859 --> 02:03:05,757 I really love Irish chocolate. 2848 02:03:05,757 --> 02:03:07,138 I think Irish chocolate tastes different 2849 02:03:07,138 --> 02:03:09,036 than any chocolate anywhere else in the world. 2850 02:03:09,036 --> 02:03:11,073 But, yeah, I get little food hampers. 2851 02:03:11,073 --> 02:03:14,041 I get them sent, definitely. They keep me going. 2852 02:03:14,041 --> 02:03:16,043 We asked, "Who's the greatest Irishman?" 2853 02:03:16,043 --> 02:03:20,323 And the overwhelming majority say you, so... 2854 02:03:20,323 --> 02:03:22,118 Well, that's a nice way to end the interview. 2855 02:03:22,118 --> 02:03:25,225 Can I just--Can I just say, they cannot be more wrong? 2856 02:03:25,225 --> 02:03:28,953 And as I pointed out, the sense of the absurd and the Irish, 2857 02:03:28,953 --> 02:03:31,783 that's--that's exactly the perfect example. 2858 02:03:31,783 --> 02:03:34,096 - But thank you. - Sorry, Bob. Um... 2859 02:03:36,029 --> 02:03:37,479 Is there any way you could actually 2860 02:03:37,479 --> 02:03:39,101 show us an Irish goodbye 2861 02:03:39,101 --> 02:03:43,105 for those who don't actually know what an Irish goodbye is? 2862 02:03:45,728 --> 02:03:50,215 Would you be able to demonstrate an Irish goodbye to us? 2863 02:03:50,215 --> 02:03:51,596 Just run off. 2864 02:03:51,596 --> 02:03:53,805 Is it? It is. 2865 02:03:55,186 --> 02:03:56,912 Do a runner. Come on. 2866 02:03:56,912 --> 02:03:58,810 What is an Irish goodbye? 2867 02:03:58,810 --> 02:04:02,642 Okay, so I never heard of this until I was in America. 2868 02:04:02,642 --> 02:04:03,919 And since I've started hearing it, 2869 02:04:03,919 --> 02:04:05,161 since I started hearing it in America, 2870 02:04:05,161 --> 02:04:06,439 I'm hearing it all the time, like, 2871 02:04:06,439 --> 02:04:07,819 oh, I did an Irish goodbye. 2872 02:04:07,819 --> 02:04:09,269 It's leaving without saying goodbye to people. 2873 02:04:09,269 --> 02:04:12,686 But I literally never heard it until a year ago. 2874 02:04:12,686 --> 02:04:14,516 Is it a new thing? Was it always a thing? 2875 02:04:14,516 --> 02:04:15,896 Is it an American thing? 2876 02:04:15,896 --> 02:04:20,142 An Irish goodbye. I'm quite well known for that. 2877 02:04:23,076 --> 02:04:26,286 Like, a Irish goodbye right now, actually. 2878 02:04:26,286 --> 02:04:28,253 Run out of things to say. 2879 02:04:28,253 --> 02:04:30,359 I think that's probably a good idea, Frank. 2880 02:04:48,377 --> 02:04:51,553 I was trying to think. I think I've made almost every move. 2881 02:04:52,864 --> 02:04:55,660 Don't get hurt, man. We need you. 2882 02:04:58,076 --> 02:05:00,044 You okay? All right. 2883 02:05:00,044 --> 02:05:01,770 I'll tell you what happened to me in America once 2884 02:05:01,770 --> 02:05:03,806 after I spoke at an event. This guy came up to me. 2885 02:05:03,806 --> 02:05:06,119 He said, "Gee," said, "I learned something tonight. 2886 02:05:06,119 --> 02:05:08,777 He said, "Never give a Mick a mic." 227658

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