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18th June 1984.
Tell me it's the biggie.
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It's about seven o'clock.
A few of us are here already.
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I'm told there's gonna be thousands.
Let's have a look, see what happens.
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As the miners' strike
enters its 13th week,
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it's been a quiet morning
on the picket lines.
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One hundred and nineteen pits
are closed, 44 are turning out coal,
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and in a further 12, there's some work.
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Orgreave.
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June the 18th, 1984.
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It were a beautiful morning.
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Not a cloud int' sky.
I can remember birds singing.
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It was scorching.
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Six in the morning,
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all the Scottish boys had their tops off,
it was that warm.
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It was jovial. There was football,
there was villagers coming out
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with trays of orange juice
and ice and water,
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and we were just...
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making up the numbers in this field.
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But I saw summat that morning
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I've never witnessed before
on picket line.
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We traveled to Orgreave
and the funny thing was now
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all the police guiding you in.
Never seen this before.
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Because normally they'd stop you
on the motorway
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and make you walk six, seven miles.
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The police were
bringing the pickets to the picket line.
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Even giving you parking spaces.
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Yeah. Valet parking.
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"This way, sir, to your slaughter."
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That was the big thing.
You know, all these buses.
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And when we got there,
the buses stacked everywhere.
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Why have they let us in?
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When we got there, I thought,
"This is different."
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You go over the railway bridge...
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and that's where you could see the plant.
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The amount of police,
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and just the way they were lined up...
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you thought, "Oh, my God."
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You cannot manifest
that number of policemen overnight.
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It's impossible.
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I thought,
"They've got something planned here."
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Halfway through that morning, right?
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Everything stopped.
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The next thing, we heard this rammy.
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You could hear this noise.
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This banging,
police coming up with their batons,
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banging on their shields...
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harder and harder.
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That was scary. That'd have scared
the living daylights out you.
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Fuckin' hell.
You sensed it in the air.
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There was something different
about Orgreave that day.
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That's when we should have
turned round and gone home.
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Mounted, will you withdraw, please?
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I said, "I'm not leaving here.
Today's our day. This is the battle."
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It was a day never to be forgotten.
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I don't think any of us
realized what we were heading to.
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That afternoon, they went for it.
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Boy, did they go for it.
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See what they're doing?
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Some of the things I saw
still get to me to this day, 40 years on.
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This was the arena of violence.
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- Come on!
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They'd set it up.
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Otherwise,
they would never have let us in.
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It was quite clearly
a pre-planned operation.
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The government intervened
in every area...
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and they've been covering it up
for 40 years.
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They're determined
not to let the truth out.
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The government,
in my opinion, planned this thing.
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Thatcher was determined
to wipe us out.
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If you step out of line,
they don't like it.
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Take that bloody thing...
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It's going to stick with people
who were involved in that,
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till they take it to their graves,
I think.
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We were just innocent people...
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and that's got to come out.
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I remember that day.
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And we was on,
actually, on six o'clock nights.
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Which was, like, a mid-shift.
So, we could do things while the shifts...
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before the shifts change in the shaft.
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When we got in,
this is when we found out that...
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they wanted to shut the pit.
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Normally, you hear rumors
that this was going to happen.
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There was none of that at all.
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And so, I was skeptical.
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You want to hear it
from the horse's mouth.
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I remember him
waking me up during the night -
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it was sometime during the night -
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to tell me, and I'm thinking,
"Why would they do that?"
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You know, "Why would they do that?"
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And the reason I'm saying that is
Don had been working for a year,
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putting all new pipe in
from top of the pits, down to the bottom.
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Why would you spend that money
when you're going to close it?
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So, we thought there was a mistake,
I thought there was a mistake.
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We had a union meeting
the following morning,
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and the union guy said
that they'd had a meeting
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with some area boffins
on the management side
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and said that they...
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definitely are going to close the pit.
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I can't remember the timeframe,
but relatively quickly.
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The road I lived on then,
and still live on now,
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there were 31 families
out of 31 houses on our street
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that relied totally
on an income from Cortonwood.
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So, what the bloody hell's
going to happen to the village?
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I would have thought
anyone with any sense...
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could have given 'em
a little bit more to hang onto.
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A bit of a hope, you know?
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But there appeared...
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to be not a lot of hope at all.
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Aren't there alternative jobs offered?
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- No.
- We haven't been offered nowt.
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Not to our knowledge.
- This area...
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There's no jobs round this area.
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There's only pits
holding this area together.
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If this pit goes,
it'll be like a plague all up t'valley.
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A few women
worked at the pit themselves.
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Working in the canteens and cleaning...
cleaning the showers and whatever.
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So... we didn't know
where this was going to lead us.
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And it wasn't just a job for us.
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It was a way of life.
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Those industries were the social glue.
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That provided purpose, provided dignity.
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When people say, "Oh, working down the pit
can't have been much fun."
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Well, it may not have been,
but you felt part of something.
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There were a sense of pride
in terms of how you won that coal.
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If you've never seen
ultimate darkness...
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...go underground...
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and switch your light off.
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Utter darkness.
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You can't see your hand
in front of your face.
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You can go like this, you can't see it.
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Many times,
my light went out. Couldn't move,
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cause there's so many dangerous things,
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you know, you know, there's--
you just still and wait.
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If you were at one end,
it could have been freezing cold
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with water coming through the roof.
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If you were at the other end,
it could be red hot.
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That was a...
It was an incredible experience.
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On a coalface,
you've got a coal-shearing machine,
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and it rips into the coal,
which creates dust,
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so, you have to put, like, a mask on,
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but you get hot and sweaty with the mask,
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and you cannot see your hand
in front of your face.
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When you were
working on a face line
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and everything was going very well,
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it was a reasonably easy job.
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It wisnae until...
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you had, like, stone intrusions, faults.
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That's when everything
could go bad quickly.
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When I first started in the pit,
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after about three months
they carried some bloke out in a bag.
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He was changing the cutter picks
and the machine started.
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The, the drum went round
and he went round with it
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and they, they took him out
in a bag, all in bits, like.
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Picked up a few fingers
off the ground before.
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Put them in a crisp packet,
sent them up...
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for to get stitched back onto people.
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You were maybe on a man-riding belt,
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and if you lifted your head up
in the wrong place,
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it could have been taken off.
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I remember, I was 16.
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A mate of mine,
working just tens yards from me.
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A stone came down and took his head off,
and he was only 17.
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To survive the place,
you had to be part of a team.
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That's how you became so close to people.
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Comradeship was brilliant.
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The fun you had and the boys
you worked with, the laughs.
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Your friends were for life,
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and, you know, you socialized, you...
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the wives went out,
you know, you did different functions.
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I can't explain
how fantastic it was
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living in a proper community.
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If you didn't have no sugar,
your next door didn't have no sugar.
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And if they did, they'd half it with you.
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You could walk into anybody's house.
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Nobody were better than anybody else.
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All t'kids on our street...
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...they were all hungry.
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We had as much as them next door,
and next door to them.
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We were all the same.
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We just wanted
to go to work, get a wage
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and look after our communities.
That's all we wanted.
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We thought at the time
that if our pit shut,
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our communities would go,
our communities wouldn't survive.
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It was my worry.
I've always been a big family man.
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Still am a big family... Love me family.
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And... immediately, you think, you know,
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"How am I going to bring Nikki up?
How am I going to bring Darren up?"
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You know, "How am I going
to keep the mortgage going?"
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Can you imagine how we've been?
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We've had to
just keep turning on the media
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and trying to find out
if someone's going to tell us
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what's going to happen to our lives.
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They haven't told us anything.
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It slowly sank in that, you know,
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they are going to close it
unless they go on strike.
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Well, is other people going
to go on strike for a small pit?
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Um, I didn't know.
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When Cortonwood pit was shut
in South Yorkshire,
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there was outrage.
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We knew it were the start of something...
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and we had to protect each other.
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I remember we had
a big meeting at our pit.
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The president of our union came out,
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and we had the union banner
above the stage,
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but it was rolled up.
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And he just pulled it down and said...
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"It's war."
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We're fighting today to defend us jobs,
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- us pits and us communities.
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- And the place erupted.
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And I felt ten feet tall
and so optimistic.
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They all voted for strike action.
I think I were second to put me hand up.
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And then, I went home that day
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and I said to my wife,
"That's it, love, we're on strike now."
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We heard about
Cortonwood shutting.
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With a show of hands,
we backed Cortonwood 100%.
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I don't think anybody voted against it.
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Yorkshire miners
vote to go on all-out strike
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from after Friday's shift,
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and hope their walk-out will become
a national one against pit closures.
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We're honorable people, you know.
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We made the decision to support any pit.
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Cortonwood made that call,
and we came out on strike on their behalf.
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The mood
in Britain's coalfields worsened today.
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The lines could be being drawn up
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for what might be a government
confrontation with the unions.
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"They want a fight,
we'll give them a bloody fight."
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And boy, did we give them a fight.
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The 14,000 Scottish miners
were today called
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to join 56,000 Yorkshire miners
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in striking from Friday night.
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In those
first few weeks of the strike,
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if you think of the militant coalfields,
like Kent
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or South Wales or Scotland
or Yorkshire or Durham,
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yes, there was overwhelming support
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for the action that the union was taking,
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and there was a sense
that they could repeat the success
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of the strikes in '72 and '74.
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Heath out!
Heath out! Heath out! Heath out!
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The miners' strikes
of '72 and '74 were about wages.
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It was about pay.
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One of the things that struck me in '72
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was that there was the unanimity
of the strike.
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Once they came out, all the miners
throughout the country came on strike.
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And that was so important.
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We're prepared, in this strike,
to fight 'em right up bitter end.
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I've got four kids.
It's going to be hard for me.
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But them kids, they'll not clem
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while I've got two arms on't end
of me body, don't worry about that.
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And the impact was quick.
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Flying pickets had closed power stations,
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closed supply of coal to them.
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You were beginning to get power cuts.
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And then there was this story about how,
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at Saltley,
there was this massive amount of coke.
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And all these lorries were
coming from all over the country
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to fill up with coke and get away.
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What happens then is that Arthur Scargill,
a young activist,
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he's 34, from the Yorkshire coalfield,
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he comes down and organizes
this mass picket at Saltley.
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Heath out! Heath out!
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Arthur Scargill had the idea
that he needed to get support
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from the trade union movement
in Birmingham
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in order to be more effective in picketing
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the coke works at Saltley.
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Dig in, lads! Dig in!
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Very few lorry drivers
were prepared to face the miners' anger,
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and most turned back.
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When the engineering workers arrived,
the flow of lorries stopped altogether.
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That's when the police
had to put their hands up
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and say, "We're done here,"
and they shut the gates.
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The significance
of Saltley was that
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if you get an overwhelming number
of trade unionists together,
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the police can be defeated.
That's essentially what happened there.
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As the gates of the gasworks
clanged shut at 10:45,
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a great shout of triumph went up
from a crowd of about 7,000 people.
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And after that, they had to
find a way to resolve the dispute,
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so the miners really got
everything they wanted.
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And Scargill told them,
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"You're all going to become immortal
in the working class
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because of what you've achieved
at Saltley."
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So, Saltley is a name
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that is haunting the Conservative Party.
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It was a big nail in the coffin
of the Tory government at the time.
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And then, '74 finished them off.
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140 miners hit the night air
after their last shift before the strike.
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What happened after '72 was,
of course, you had the oil crisis
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and rocketing prices and inflation.
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So, as a result,
the miners had another strike,
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and Edward Heath, the Prime Minister,
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was faced with the dilemma.
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That will now be a general election
on February the 28th.
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The issue before you is a simple one.
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Do you want a strong government
which has clear authority for the future,
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or do you want a government which will
abandon the struggle against rising prices
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under pressure from one particular
powerful group of workers?
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And so, Edward Heath lost, and he was out.
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After a weekend
of doubt and uncertainty,
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Mr. Heath has handed in his resignation
to the Queen.
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At issue for him now,
the death of his government
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and what his own political future may be.
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Heath out! Heath out!
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It was a sweet victory
for the miners.
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But maybe we didn't think enough
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about what was going to happen after that.
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Here comes
the prime ministerial Rover...
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bearing now
Mrs. Thatcher as Prime Minister.
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A wave that we've now become
really quite well-accustomed to
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throughout this campaign.
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When Margaret Thatcher got elected,
she wanted revenge
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for what we did to them in 1974.
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She never wanted to see a group of workers
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bring the Tory government down again.
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Could I ask you,
if you would tell us,
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what sort of administration
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you would like to have
over the next five years?
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Well, we shall be going inside
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and we shall be getting on with that
as fast as we can,
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and we'll hope to have some...
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You knew that she were going
to come for us at some point.
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Oh, aye, yeah, definitely. Absolutely.
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In 1979,
when Mrs. Thatcher is elected,
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the total trade union membership
is 12 million.
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This is an enormous force.
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Now, Mrs. Thatcher is determined
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that she's going to break
the monopoly power of the trade unions
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and the monopoly power
of the nationalized industries.
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And, of course, the miners' union
were the exemplar of that.
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If you get rid of
the strongest union, which was the miners,
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then the rest will crumble.
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I want to lead the people of this country
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away from the quicksands of socialism.
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- Politicians can't please everyone.
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That would be impossible.
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But it is our task
to try to do justice to everyone.
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What's happening
in 1980, 1981, 1982,
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Margaret Thatcher is preparing herself
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for what she knows
will inevitably be a confrontation.
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She was very tactical,
and she was very aware
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of how and when
the balance of forces might be right
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in order to ensure that she could deploy
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what were essentially
the forces of the state
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against a group of workers.
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No-one could have predicted
how far the government would go
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to get what they wanted.
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In January 1983,
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there was a secret private party...
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in the Home Office, in a backroom,
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with the Home Secretary,
top civil servants, top police officers,
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to celebrate the introduction
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of a new public order manual.
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Behind the scenes, they were creating
a paramilitary police force.
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Britain had two
very distinct styles of policing.
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- Policing for Britain was...
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reasonably democratic
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and reasonably consensual.
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But Britain also had
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a totally different
policing tradition for the colonies.
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It was about power and force.
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And the key colonial police force
was in Hong Kong.
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And so, police officers from Britain
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brought in advice from the colonies
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as to how to deal with public disorder
in a paramilitary way
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which can only
alienate and repress people.
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And that's what they used for the manual.
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Chief officers are the only people
who can see the manual.
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Even the rank and file of the police
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didn't know this manual existed.
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The manual was
such a fundamental shift
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in the way that police operate
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in relation to protests and public order
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it should have gone to Parliament.
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But it was done behind the scenes,
completely un-democratically.
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An abuse of the rule of law.
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The Home Office
being involved in the manual at all
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is a breach of the operational
independence of the police,
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and that is
a cornerstone of our democracy,
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the separation of power
between police and government.
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If it was true that the Home Office
and the Home Secretary
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were involved in the manual,
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my reckoning was that there would be files
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in the National Archive.
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There were three.
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And there was one document there
which confirms
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that the Home Secretary
signed off the manual.
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And in seeing that document...
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...my whole belief system crumbled.
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Because the government lie.
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- And there was the document to prove it.
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The confrontation with the miners
was all pre-planned.
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They stockpiled coal before it started,
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and they introduced paramilitary policing.
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They had all those things in place
before they took them on.
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Good evening.
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Relations between the National Coal Board
and the miners' leaders
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deteriorated further today.
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The board announced that they want
more cuts in the amount of coal produced.
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It could mean that another 20 pits
will close in the next 12 months,
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with a loss of about 20,000 jobs.
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{\an8}Arthur Scargill, the miners' leader,
said it was a savage attack.
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{\an8}We will do everything in our power
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{\an8}to stop men losing their jobs
and their livelihoods.
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They've invested their very lives
in this industry.
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Arthur Scargill,
the hero of the Saltley Gate episode,
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had become the president
of the NUM in 1981.
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He were one of us.
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He were a fighter,
and he would stick up for us 100%.
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He used to stand,
as far as we were concerned,
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head and shoulders above the rest
of the trade union leaders in the country.
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Two years ago,
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I made a claim that the coal board
had a hit-list of pits.
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I said the board intended
to close at least 70 pits
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and to reduce manpower levels
by at least 70,000.
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We believed Scargill,
we didn't believe them,
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that Cortonwood would be
one of 20 pits that would close.
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"No, it's not 20 pits,
it's going to be a lot more than this."
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And-- and-- and we knew that.
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{\an8}Well, I'm telling you
that Mr. Scargill has a vivid imagination,
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{\an8}and he comes up with these wild numbers,
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{\an8}which he reels off at great extent.
Like he says...
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Publicly, the National Coal Board
said there were 20 mines being shut.
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But in another document released
in the National Archive, it says
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that there are 75 mines being shut,
70,000 jobs were going.
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For us, the key was to get--
we had to get men out.
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We had to get men in the meetings,
we had to get men out picketing.
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- Thanks very much for your time, lads.
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And Scargill was confident
that these rolling strikes
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{\an8}in Yorkshire and in Scotland
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{\an8}would spread to the rest of the country,
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and that he would be able to pull off
a repeat of what had happened
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in 1972 and 1974.
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What's changed, though,
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is that the miners
are top of the earnings league,
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and if you go to Nottinghamshire,
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there, the piece-work rates
are the best in the country.
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So, they were very, very reluctant
to get involved in any strike action.
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During the '70s,
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if you were a coalface worker
in Kent, Wales, Scotland, Yorkshire,
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wherever you worked,
you used to get the same money.
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But because people wanted pay rises,
they were introducing this scheme
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where if you produce more coal
you'll get bonuses.
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And that explains why Nottingham,
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where they generally worked
in better conditions, relatively,
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they benefited from it financially.
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That eroded that sense of unity.
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It was then we started
digging our own graves.
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The men that worked hardest
were going to get the least money,
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because they couldn't
get as much coal out...
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because they were in bad conditions.
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In my pit, we worked
seven miles out under the North Sea.
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So, there was water,
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there was dust.
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The coal was hard to get, but we got it.
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The last bonus I got was 35 quid.
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In Nottingham, they were getting,
like, 90 quid a day... bonus.
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When did it become clear to you
Nottinghamshire wasn't coming in?
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Straight away.
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First day.
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Have you discussed
taking industrial action?
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No. I think it's pointless.
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- Absolutely pointless.
Why not?
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You lose too much money,
for a start.
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I mean, if we're off work
for four or five week,
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it's going to take us way above a year
to get that back.
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All we want from Nottingham miners
is their support in this fight.
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It's all right,
they're on big bonuses now,
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they're buying 'em now.
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When the bonus and the coal goes,
what have they got left? Nothing.
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The other big issue
was that Scargill
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had failed to give the miners a vote.
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You see, the miners
had always prided themselves
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on having these votes
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where the men, over their shifts,
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all voted yes or no
as to whether to take strike action.
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But the likelihood of getting a majority
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in a pit-head ballot
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at the start of the strike
is questionable.
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Some would say that
you're changing the rules
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because you're worried about
getting the 55% if you have a ballot.
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It doesn't surprise me one little bit
that the BBC would say that,
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but we would reject it,
and we would say that...
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It was a messy start,
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because the strike was never
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one single national strike.
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It was always complicated.
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It was a series of area strikes, really,
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sort of nationally coordinated.
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And, of course,
the Notts miners used it to justify...
491
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,360
...their wish to continue to work.
492
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,720
Well, I mean, we talked amongst ourselves
493
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,920
and everyone expected,
and I talk about this a lot,
494
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,360
everyone expected a national ballot.
495
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,200
Me dad was saying,
"We don't need a national ballot,
496
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,760
we're going out on strike."
Well, that's not how it works, is it?
497
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,600
Democracy says we have a national ballot.
498
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,440
Once Scargill gives us a national ballot,
then we'll know what we're doing.
499
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,480
People that called for t'ballot
didn't support the strike.
500
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,800
The media wanted a ballot,
Margaret Thatcher wanted a ballot.
501
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,960
The ballot was designed
to sabotage a strike.
502
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,120
It's a good way to split people up.
503
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,280
It's divide and conquer, innit?
504
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,480
That's... Tories are good at that.
505
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,760
What we pushed for was,
506
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,720
"All right, well, let's have
an area ballot in Nottinghamshire."
507
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,920
Now, that happened quite quickly.
508
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,480
Put your ballot paper in there, lad.
You know which way to vote.
509
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,120
It's already known that a big majority
of Nottinghamshire's 34,000 miners
510
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,640
have voted against strike action.
511
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,480
As news of the Nottinghamshire
miners' resounding no to strike action
512
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,000
began to filter through,
the men poured out their bitterness.
513
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,520
They all ought to have great, big
yellow stripes painted down their backs.
514
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,960
Scab! Scab! Scab!
515
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,960
The picket lines,
for us, were sacrosanct.
516
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,240
Even if you might have issues,
517
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,520
you would never cross a picket line.
518
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,880
I had a brother-in-law that worked
at Calverton pit in Nottingham.
519
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,880
I never spoke to him again after that.
520
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,160
Once a scab, always a scab!
521
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,280
If you're a scab, you're a scab.
522
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,800
People have said to me in the past,
"That's an awful word, that,
523
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,760
and don't you sort of forgive and forget?"
524
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,120
But, no,
when you stab your mates in the back,
525
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,360
and that's exactly what happened there,
526
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,960
you stab your mates in the back,
you should never be forgiven.
527
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,680
Now, we're trying new methods
this morning.
528
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,840
As you know,
we're setting off a little bit later,
529
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,440
and I want...
530
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,160
But there was a conviction
that it would be possible
531
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,760
to picket the Nottinghamshire coalfield.
532
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,920
Try and get to the pits
533
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,680
and ask us members
to come out and support us.
534
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,880
Within a day or two,
we were down in Nottingham.
535
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,000
We had no choice. If we wanted a future,
we had to fight now.
536
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,040
It's not far up here.
I'm sure it's up here.
537
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,520
The pit I was sent out to
was Creswell.
538
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,520
No doubt there were some tussles
that went off early doors,
539
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,440
but by and large
they were amazingly peaceful.
540
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,160
We're asking you not to cross
this picket line.
541
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,520
Hundreds and hundreds of miners
listening to the arguments,
542
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,080
and we were really successful.
543
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,720
They were listening to us,
and they were coming out on strike.
544
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,600
As far as I'm concerned,
545
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,719
you didn't scab,
you didn't cross a picket line.
546
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,360
I says, "I'll turn me car round,"
547
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,920
and I never, ever went back to work
till the strike...
548
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,159
till the strike was over.
549
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:23,239
We're-- What we're asking is that
you don't cut any coal today or what,
550
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,239
or while the strike's on.
551
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,480
Of course, it wasn't long
before Thatcher wanted to know why...
552
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,639
the police weren't there.
553
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,360
In mid-March,
Thatcher met with her cabinet,
554
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,639
and she expressed to the cabinet,
in her view,
555
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:43,280
that the police were not
carrying out their duties fully.
556
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,679
Miners were being able
to travel across the country
557
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:48,960
and stop people going to work.
558
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,280
Margaret Thatcher pushes her cabinet
for more involvement,
559
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,159
while, all the while,
saying, "We're not involved."
560
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:57,000
Mr. President,
561
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,280
we are not going to intervene
in the coal dispute.
562
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,120
Categorically not the case.
563
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,480
She drove the strike.
She was involved in every detail.
564
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:15,240
The initials in her blue pen
all over documents confirm that.
565
00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:17,160
The reason Nottingham was so important
566
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:22,040
is identified in a document
which is for Thatcher's office only.
567
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,880
They identify that
if they can keep them running,
568
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,480
they will be able to increase
the endurance of the strike.
569
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,240
And this is the reason
570
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:32,840
the police operation in Nottingham
is so important.
571
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,200
Quick, march!
572
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,680
And there it is,
on week two of the strike.
573
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,240
In her warning to the chief constables,
574
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:41,880
she's saying the chief constables
have got to stiffen their resolve.
575
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,960
They've got to stop
the preventing of people going to work.
576
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,240
We're going to be firm
about maintaining the law.
577
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:49,560
We won't tolerate...
578
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,880
violence, or intimidation,
or any serious breaches of the law.
579
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:57,520
The Home Secretary also
sent a telex to all chief constables,
580
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:02,960
and said, "Do not let money
influence your operations.
581
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,960
You have the full support
of the Home Secretary, whatever you do."
582
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,120
So, that's another breach
of this separation of power
583
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,320
between police and government.
584
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,000
The Home Office
refuses to reveal
585
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,040
how much all this is costing nationally.
586
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,200
The running total
must be around the 20 million mark.
587
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,800
And so,
over the course of the strike,
588
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,560
80,000 police officers,
589
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,960
that's three-quarters
of England and Welsh police,
590
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,640
went to Nottingham.
591
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,360
The police appear very anxious
not to let anyone know
592
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,920
the exact scale of the operation
that they're mounting in Nottinghamshire.
593
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,280
But they have men billeted at army camps,
594
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,760
and they keep
the press and journalists away.
595
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,400
I've never seen anything like it.
596
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:48,880
They were just all over the place.
597
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,200
The police presence is unwarranted
and unprecedented,
598
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,720
and it's almost tantamount
to a paramilitary state.
599
00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:57,120
We're not letting you through here.
600
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,760
- You're not letting us through?
- No, not letting you through.
601
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,040
- Why can't we got through?
- So, turn your vehicle round now.
602
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,960
Since the 18th of March,
603
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,960
the police have been stopping cars
which they think contain pickets
604
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,920
and threatening them with arrest
if they go any further.
605
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,560
If you refuse to turn it around, you'll
be arrested
606
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,160
because I'm likely to suspect there'll be
a breach of the peace caused.
607
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,200
But why can't we go in
to our work?
608
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,840
Because I believe if you go there,
609
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,840
then a breach of the peace
is likely to occur. OK?
610
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,520
I remember we got pulled
in a police roadblock.
611
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,600
"Well, we're not turning the car round,"
I says.
612
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,280
So, then, they smashed every window
out of the car.
613
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:34,680
And we were arrested.
614
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,120
I was locked up there three days.
615
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,200
This happens in Northern Ireland.
616
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,560
This happens in South Africa, not here.
617
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:48,760
But it were happening here.
618
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,080
{\an8}I accept that what we are doing
is stopping people on the road.
619
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,600
{\an8}And we are, if you want to look at it
in total isolation,
620
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,480
{\an8}an infringement of civil liberties.
621
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,360
But let's look at
what we are trying to do.
622
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,200
We are trying to stop
large numbers of people
623
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,480
who are trying to infringe
other people's civil liberties.
624
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,000
They started stopping us
at the Dartford Tunnel.
625
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,760
We were stopped from leaving Kent.
626
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,520
Travesty, really.
That was against the law.
627
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,560
Yeah, but it's also
a police responsibility.
628
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,120
So, the strategy for this,
629
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,960
as you've termed it, the ring of steel,
630
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,680
was to prevent flying pickets
631
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,160
interrupting those
who wanted to go back to work.
632
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:37,520
It is anticipated that large numbers
will be congregating to a colliery
633
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,720
somewhere in our division.
634
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:43,720
I got an old map out. It were that old,
there were no motorways on it.
635
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:46,320
Anyway, we went
through farmer's fields, dirt tracks,
636
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,280
and we finally got through
to a Nottinghamshire pit.
637
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,080
But then,
the cops turn up, mob-handed,
638
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,640
and that's when the violence starts.
639
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,800
I think it
totally and utterly false
640
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,160
to cast a slur on the police
641
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,320
for the superb way in which
they have handled this dispute.
642
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,760
The situation was
well-managed by the police,
643
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,320
so, whilst it wasn't nice
walking past people,
644
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,120
I never felt any sort of danger.
645
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,560
- Judas!
- Blackleg!
646
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,040
There were some
you could have a bit of a banter with,
647
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,560
some of them weren't bad, but...
648
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,800
if an inspector says, "Go in there
and rough 'em up," they'd do it.
649
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,600
I want no trouble. Any trouble whatsoever
will be dealt with.
650
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,400
No trouble. None at all.
651
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,720
This county is being turned
into a paramilitary state,
652
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:42,600
and my advice
to every Nottinghamshire miner
653
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,080
is to come out on strike,
and stop standing on the sidelines,
654
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,320
witnessing brutality against our miners.
655
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:56,240
At the end of the day, it was obvious
Nottingham wasnae coming out.
656
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:59,160
It was now coming into the summer.
657
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,280
There wurnae going to be power cuts.
658
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,840
And we had to think,
"How are we going to win this?"
659
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,280
And for us... it was going to be steel.
660
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:16,200
That's the moment when there's
a change of gear by Arthur Scargill.
661
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,160
He believes that the tactic should be
662
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,240
to concentrate on key places
like Orgreave.
663
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,520
Orgreave's significance
is that it is
664
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,800
essential in the supply chain
to keep the Scunthorpe steelworks going.
665
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,080
The coke is made from coal at Orgreave
666
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,120
and then transported to Scunthorpe.
667
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:43,280
Break that chain, and you could
cause the government great difficulty.
668
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,600
And Scargill is confident
that he's going to be able to pull off
669
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,160
another symbolic victory,
670
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,880
as he did in 1972,
at the Saltley Gates in Birmingham.
671
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:58,200
I would love to see every single member
of my union who's here,
672
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,560
every single member who's on strike
673
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,760
and every trade unionist
who's here supporting us,
674
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,280
- down at the Orgreave coking plant.
675
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,840
Thatcher certainly knew that.
676
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,840
She is worried,
and it's throughout the government papers.
677
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,840
They're constantly mentioning
Saltley Gate.
678
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,960
"We can't have the miners
679
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,360
and Arthur Scargill
looking like they're winning,
680
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,360
because if they look like they're winning,
681
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,680
then maybe they can
bring down the government again."
682
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:31,200
We're immensely grateful to you
for what you do. Immensely grateful.
683
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,520
We started going to Orgreave
from beginning of May,
684
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,080
and there were, like,
four police and six of us.
685
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,160
The next day, there'd be 200 of us.
686
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,680
And then it went on and on
until there were thousands of us...
687
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,400
and thousands of police.
688
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,800
Worst confrontation than ever
broke out today on the picket line.
689
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,080
Pickets were met by one of the largest
police presences of the dispute.
690
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,040
But there were scuffles
as the miners tried to break police lines.
691
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,320
By the time we get to June the 5th,
692
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,720
that's when you see a cabinet document
693
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:14,320
talking about the importance
of the week beginning June the 18th.
694
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,280
That there must be this well-executed plan
695
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,520
to shift 8,000 tonnes of coal
696
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,680
from Orgreave to Scunthorpe.
697
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,480
But whatever happens, we must not allow
698
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,680
Arthur Scargill to claim victory.
699
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,920
Sunday night, 17th of June 1984.
700
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,720
We went to a meeting
at Silverwood Miners Welfare, about 7:00,
701
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:45,000
for the next day's picketing orders.
702
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,000
Our NUM president said to us all,
703
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,520
2,000 miners
from South Yorkshire collieries
704
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,240
had been picked
for the next morning's destination.
705
00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:58,440
Orgreave.
706
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,480
They wanted
everybody at Orgreave.
707
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,720
From all over the country -
Scotland, Wales.
708
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:09,160
They were going to be there
from everywhere.
709
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,360
So, we just get up in the morning,
710
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,480
and everybody just set off from there.
711
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,080
I was 19. It was just a jolly.
712
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,200
Just go doon for a jolly.
713
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,040
Na-na-na. You've got your ten cigarettes
714
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,440
and your couple of cans of lager
for the bus.
715
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,960
Get doon there.
716
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,080
It's a summer's morning, lovely day.
717
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:47,200
We arrived, bus-loads,
from all areas of Scotland,
718
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,800
Wales, Kent, you name it.
719
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:56,280
Only ably assisted by the police,
which was a bit naive, I suppose.
720
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,520
They were waving us through.
721
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,520
We were actually waving back to them.
722
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,280
You know, how...
723
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,160
Yeah, definitely naive.
724
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:06,960
Remember, back just a few weeks earlier,
725
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,000
they were stopping us
in the middle of the Stepps Road.
726
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,080
You know, all the Yorkshire boys that were
stopped every day trying to go and picket.
727
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,800
Here, it was, "Down you go,
into that field there."
728
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,640
Valet parking.
729
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,160
"This way, sir, to your slaughter."
730
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:28,280
That was the biggest crowd
I'd seen ever,
731
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,040
at a picket line, ever that day,
732
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,360
and you could tell something's, something,
something's in the air, know what I mean?
733
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,720
You're walking past the police,
lay in the grass.
734
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:40,440
Bit hungover 'cause you've had a drink.
735
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,680
Laying on the grass, lovely atmosphere.
736
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,160
There was games of football,
kickabouts going on.
737
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,800
There was games of cricket, I always
remember seeing guys playing cricket.
738
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,480
And as you walked down through this,
739
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:00,960
you felt...
740
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,640
...quite...
741
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:04,800
safe.
742
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,040
I was excited.
743
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,440
When you walked down there,
it were like, "Wow."
744
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,040
You didn't realize how many...
There were thousands.
745
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:18,920
So, it were like,
746
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,240
"Ah, it's going to be a good day,
a good day."
747
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,800
But obviously,
it didn't turn out a good day.
748
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,120
We parked at the top of the hill,
749
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,760
and we walked over there, like.
750
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,760
And my mate stopped in his tracks.
He says, "Look at that."
751
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,640
From a distance,
I really couldn't...
752
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,240
get my head round
what it was I was looking at.
753
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:45,880
It was just a black wall.
754
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,720
The chatter was, "That's the police."
755
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:51,320
I says, "Nah."
756
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,800
I says, "There's not that many police
in the UK. That's impossible."
757
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,280
And they were motionless,
758
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,600
not making... that much sound.
759
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,000
You had this aura.
760
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,880
Like, it was too quiet, far too quiet.
761
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:19,040
That's it. Go that way, lads.
Don't let pressure off.
762
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,760
- That way.
- Go that way.
763
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,160
Arthur Scargill were up on
the top of the bank there,
764
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,480
top of the dell there, shouting,
"Make your way down to the front."
765
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,520
- Come on!
766
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,000
Let's give 'em a hand. Come on!
767
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,320
I went straight to the front.
768
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,880
I wanted to be where the action is.
769
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,280
I was young and impetuous, or...
770
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,320
I wouldn't be at the front now,
by the way.
771
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,720
But I was young, and I was...
772
00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:46,960
I was young, and I've always believed
the working class could...
773
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,960
...rise up against the system.
774
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,520
And this was the system
trying to suppress us.
775
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,040
And I thought,
"We can do something about this here."
776
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,720
You know, united, we're all together.
777
00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:03,360
But bearing in mind,
they had the state behind them.
778
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,160
We just had goodwill
and faith of good comrades behind us.
779
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,680
Pair of shorts and a T-shirt...
780
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:10,880
and do your best.
781
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,080
Miners coming now, start to fill up.
782
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,400
Couple of idiots on the one side,
throwing stones.
783
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,360
And the stones are landing
on the miners more than the police.
784
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,440
Boys are shouting back,
"Stop throwing stones, you donkeys!"
785
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,680
We had no protection.
We were just in our normal uniform.
786
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,480
But they were hitting these guys,
these Scottish guys in front of us.
787
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,320
And they were going crazy, these guys.
They were turning round and going,
788
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,520
"Will you stop it," you know.
They didn't want that, I don't think.
789
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,960
And then the decision was made
790
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,400
to put another row of officers
in front of us.
791
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,760
Break for shield unit, please.
Break for shield unit.
792
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,800
All of a sudden,
we see this line
793
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,200
of police marching up, with shields.
794
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:02,800
And they form a line.
795
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,080
That were a laugh, weren't it?
796
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,680
This is a police line
unlike I'd ever seen anything before.
797
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,840
Fuckin' hell, havin' a laugh.
798
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,080
It was like something out of,
you know, Gladiator,
799
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,640
or some Roman film.
800
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,600
It was just beyond belief.
801
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,760
You're a disgrace! Get back!
802
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,360
I don't think any of us realized
what we were heading to.
803
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,680
Next thing then,
you could hear a noise now,
804
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,680
on the one side, left-hand side.
805
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,480
It was the wagons coming.
806
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,280
So we all gathered
towards the police line,
807
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,760
a big thick block of miners,
start pushing.
808
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,760
There was always
a traditional push and pull,
809
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,800
where we pushed the police,
and they pushed us back.
810
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,200
It was like some sort of dance.
811
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,760
But this was obviously
on a different scale.
812
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,600
Bearing in mind
I've been on a few picket lines,
813
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,480
I've been to football matches
where the pressure comes on.
814
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,000
I've never experienced pressure like it.
815
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,680
Unbelievable. Scary.
816
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,560
You're thinking,
"This could be my last day here."
817
00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:35,480
Everybody was quiet at the front.
818
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,440
There's no shouting.
819
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,480
Because you could hardly breathe.
820
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,360
The pressure was that great
from the push from both sides.
821
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,800
I've never, ever
experienced anything like that.
822
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,280
You could not get a breath.
823
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,240
You couldn't move your arms,
your feet were off the floor.
824
00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:59,200
I remember this guy in front of me,
825
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,040
and he was purple.
826
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,120
And then, we heard...
827
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,320
...the faint crackling from...
828
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,120
the loudhailer.
829
00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:18,320
The loudhailer gave instruction
to break rank, open up.
830
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,720
{\an8}Then the horses came through.
831
00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:23,520
Horses, Frank. Frank!
832
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:32,560
Everybody runs. There's people
lost their shoes and people falling.
833
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,240
But we just bolted back out of there
and away up the back.
834
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:37,640
Fucking hell!
835
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,800
It were frightening. They were
running over you if they got the chance.
836
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,960
"What on earth is going on?"
837
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,880
Now, how many people had been in
that field when they charged initially?
838
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:51,040
Hundreds. Doing nothing.
Absolutely nothing.
839
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,560
Horses went back in,
they closed up the ranks,
840
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,960
and everybody re-gathered
and went back down.
841
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,840
Right! Right!
842
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,240
But once they did that first time,
everybody's back were up.
843
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,720
I think we had absolutely no option
but to defend ourselves.
844
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,520
There was an awful lot of stuff
coming over then.
845
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,560
And these guys carrying long shields
846
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,200
could only protect themselves
847
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,040
and us, who were directly behind them.
848
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,880
Once you were two or three rows back,
849
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,080
obviously, the missiles come over,
850
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:45,120
and they're hitting people
who are in ordinary uniform.
851
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,200
It became a bit chaotic.
852
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,000
And there was this feeling of...
853
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,640
"This is really going to go off."
854
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,160
Then it happened again.
855
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,720
Horses, Frank.
To your right, to your right!
856
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,760
And the police were all
banging their truncheons on their shields
857
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,480
and clapping and cheering
as the horses went back.
858
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:27,440
I cheered.
859
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,840
You know, it wasn't a question of
someone said, "Shall we cheer?"
860
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,120
I made the personal decision, you know,
861
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,840
and I can actually remember saying,
you know,
862
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,400
"Thank F for that."
863
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:43,440
The first escalation,
as far as I'm concerned, was the missiles.
864
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,320
And that's bloody dangerous.
865
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:51,400
We were only returning what we received.
866
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,320
They sent snatch squads in.
867
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,640
Wee guys with wee round shields
and batons.
868
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,000
Take cover!
869
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,320
I heard somebody saying,
"Bodies not heads."
870
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,720
And then, they just lost control.
871
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:23,600
{\an8}Your first instinct is get away. Get away.
872
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,760
I just ran up the field.
873
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,440
Behind me, I could hear, "Whoom, whoom."
874
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,320
It's just folk getting
the shit kicked out of them.
875
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,680
Getting whacked wi' wooden batons,
you name it.
876
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,160
Split skulls.
877
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,480
Just... brutalized.
878
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:51,400
Come on, get up.
Get up, get up! Get up, you cunt.
879
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:56,160
I can't fucking get--
I can't. Fucking hell!
880
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:00,200
You could see guys
getting pulverized with the truncheons
881
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,640
and then dragged
back into the police lines.
882
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,920
I thought,
"Nah, I don't accept this."
883
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,760
If somebody's going to punch you,
what are you going to do? Say thank you?
884
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,000
I'll hit you back if I can.
885
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,640
Yeah, there were... People were...
It were chaos.
886
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,000
- No mercy.
887
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,240
I was stood in the woods.
I wasn't doing a thing.
888
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:28,040
Next thing, somebody hit me from behind.
I goes down.
889
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,480
I can remember grabbing my hat.
890
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,320
Next thing, I feel truncheon
on my back and my head.
891
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,280
Oh! I was squirming, I was squealing.
892
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,720
They drag me back towards the police line.
893
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:41,440
They fling me to the floor,
894
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,520
punching up at me, kneeing me in the face,
895
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,880
kneeing me in my st-- in my stomach.
I'm screaming now.
896
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:48,880
Until they get to the police van.
897
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:52,400
Oh, it was frightening.
898
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,840
They changed the rules completely.
899
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:11,320
It was never about pushing and shoving.
It was about them beating you up.
900
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,880
You ought to get in there and get them.
901
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,680
Go over there, film them there.
Get in there and see what they're doing.
902
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:22,640
We were there in our t-shirts and jeans.
903
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,440
They were there in full riot gear.
Horses, dogs, the lot.
904
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,840
And then they were given carte blanche
to do anything they wanted.
905
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:31,480
It was very, very scary.
906
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,440
In fact, it was terrifying.
907
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,000
It was a scary old day, that.
908
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:40,000
Orgreave.
909
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,440
Just thinking about it.
910
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,520
We seen a lot of-- lot of bad things
happen that day.
911
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,240
We were never
going to win that day.
912
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:55,440
It was set in stone that day
that we were beat.
913
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,640
So, who did that, then?
How's this happen?
914
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,640
Truncheon.
Truncheon.
915
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,440
Look at that. Look at that.
916
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,480
- Truncheon.
- Minding me own business, that, mate.
917
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,840
First day on picket line,
is this, for this lad.
918
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,680
And that's what he gets.
919
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,000
People were brutally beaten.
920
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,320
For the first time in this country,
921
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,600
you saw the use
of the short shield and the baton,
922
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,440
all straight out the manual.
923
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,160
And in the manual it says,
924
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:28,920
"You have the right to incapacitate people
just for being present."
925
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,360
They have, also, it seems,
gone beyond the manual...
926
00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:37,200
and applied their own interpretation.
927
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,720
Horses are meant to go a certain distance,
stop, come back.
928
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:45,440
It says 30 yards,
it looks a lot further than that.
929
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:50,880
And dogs were only meant
to be used within a perimeter...
930
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,000
but they used them to contain people.
931
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,800
What Thatcher had there
was a vast number of police officers
932
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:04,200
with different powers that have been
un-democratically given to them.
933
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,120
Most of the violence
happened at the top end,
934
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:11,800
and we were at the bottom end.
935
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,280
We were penned in at the bottom end.
936
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,320
We were sent to the back of Orgreave.
There was another entrance to Orgreave.
937
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:22,960
There was a huge field there.
938
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,240
We just, you know, congregated in there.
939
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,280
There must've been
a couple of thousand of us.
940
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,400
Suddenly, the gates open
further up the road...
941
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,440
{\an8}and the coke trucks started coming out.
942
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,160
{\an8}So, we started to heave.
943
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,840
The ultimate aim was to...
944
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,000
shove ourselves, along with the police,
945
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,280
but shove ourselves out into the road
to stop 'em.
946
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,680
All the media were up the top end as well,
947
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,800
so I don't think much of this
were ever caught on camera.
948
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,320
And a few scuffles broke out,
and the next thing I knew,
949
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,600
I was sort of being
dragged along the floor,
950
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,600
and somebody got a handful of hair.
951
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,440
One had me in a really serious headlock.
952
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,160
I found it bloody difficult.
I was quite frightened, actually.
953
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,400
More... Not about the situation,
954
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,720
more about getting
a bit more breath, you know.
955
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,360
I got a push in the back...
956
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,760
into the police's arms,
and then I were arrested, like.
957
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,160
And we were handcuffed... into the bus.
958
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,880
The object obviously was
to blockade the coke plant,
959
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,720
but you managed to get the convoy through.
960
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,120
Yes. We've said right from the start,
961
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,880
{\an8}we are not going to sort of back down
to this sort of violence.
962
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:41,000
{\an8}The people bringing in the coke lorries
are working lawfully.
963
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,520
They've told us that
they want to continue to work lawfully,
964
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,200
and we've said
that they will continue to work lawfully.
965
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,240
These people
are really wasting their time.
966
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,560
They have tried, time and time again,
to break through the lines,
967
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,360
and they've been repulsed every time.
968
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,720
And that is
what's going to continue to happen.
969
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,000
They just kept coming
across that field
970
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,280
and then forcing people further up.
971
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,720
Right, short shield units,
please. Forwards this way.
972
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:25,040
Then the whistle blew.
Back into the battle.
973
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,000
The scariest thing
I've ever been to in my life.
974
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,760
Police line just opened up like that.
975
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,680
Three or four policemen dived out,
grabbed me.
976
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:49,000
And I'm dragged through the lines
and just put in the back of a van.
977
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:50,960
Handcuffed.
978
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,680
The back door of the van opened, and...
979
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,360
there's a policeman wi' a cut eye...
980
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,960
standing beside another bloke,
981
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,560
and he pointed at me and said,
982
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,960
"That's the guy for you."
983
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,280
So he was basically saying,
I'm getting done...
984
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,600
for what had happened to this bloke, eh?
985
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,120
Police lines, with each charge,
986
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,640
moved up and gained ground
and condensed us.
987
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,560
It was a big field...
988
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,920
but they made it
smaller and smaller and smaller.
989
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,920
They were tooled-up to the hilt.
990
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,440
Horses charging into you,
991
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,920
being made to run across
railway lines that are live, you know?
992
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,440
It were either go down there
or get run over by a horse.
993
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,400
Hundreds of miners just went straight
down the bankings, out of the way.
994
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:49,560
No hesitating.
995
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,160
I just managed
to get over the bridge.
996
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,760
I heard one police officer shout,
997
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,280
"Get that big bastard there
with white shirt on."
998
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,360
I were marched down t'hill.
999
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,400
The police line was still there
with long shields.
1000
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,280
And then,
it were like a free-for-all for them.
1001
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:12,840
They were...
1002
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:15,840
punching... punching me...
1003
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:18,760
kicking me, kneeing me.
1004
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,080
They had absolute permission
1005
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,960
to do whatever they wanted that morning.
1006
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,920
And how there wurnae some miners killed...
1007
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:42,360
I've no idea.
1008
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,360
They didn't give a shit. They really
didn't give a shit that afternoon.
1009
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,360
At a certain point,
part of the day,
1010
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,200
it started getting really scary.
1011
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,120
And I were thinking,
"Whoa, this is getting out of hand."
1012
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,440
I really didn't have time to think.
1013
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,240
We were just running.
1014
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,040
Into alleyways, through back gardens,
1015
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,040
hiding in sheds,
hiding wherever you could.
1016
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,640
You felt like you were
being hunted at times, you know?
1017
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:28,920
We were near the car park,
1018
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:32,160
and I were stood at the side of the car
with my hand on the bonnet,
1019
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,920
and I went to show t'police
I wasn't doing anything.
1020
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,960
And that's when t'police hit me
with his shield,
1021
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,040
knocked me on top of the car,
1022
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,200
then just started
hitting me with truncheon.
1023
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,160
Then handcuffed me hand to me leg,
1024
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,520
dragged me through the police ranks,
1025
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,040
smashed me face into a shield...
1026
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,760
then they opened open up
and dragged me through.
1027
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,520
They got this
pretty blonde-haired girl there.
1028
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,880
Looked at me, she says,
"Ooh, you do look a mess.
1029
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:06,720
Let me wipe your face, you'll feel better.
1030
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,680
You know, it's a bit hot out there."
1031
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:10,560
I said,
"No, I'm all right, duck, thank you."
1032
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:13,280
She wanted to clean me up
1033
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,440
to have me photo took
with these two arresting officers,
1034
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,040
make you look presentable.
1035
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:20,640
And then...
1036
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,360
I were charged there,
with... unlawful assembly.
1037
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:28,960
The police said,
"Anybody that's caught round here
1038
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:30,720
after half an hour will be arrested."
1039
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,680
So, we just all got on the buses
1040
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:35,840
and headed back up north and home.
1041
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:38,960
I can remember
getting back to my car, then...
1042
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,160
I suddenly realized I was alone.
1043
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,280
Three of my comrades
were still in that field.
1044
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,400
And I froze. I...
1045
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,560
Lucky for me,
they come running down the road...
1046
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,920
five minutes later,
just jumped in the car,
1047
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,520
and... we drove off.
1048
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:09,080
And I don't think any of us
said a word driving back.
1049
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,600
At this point,
there was a change in me.
1050
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,760
There was a change, I dare say,
in thousands of guys.
1051
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,800
You see that?
Treat violence with violence.
1052
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:39,680
It became about retaliating...
1053
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:41,960
and protecting ourselves.
1054
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,320
Picking up
whatever you could get hands on.
1055
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:53,280
Was I able to inflict any damage?
No, I couldn't.
1056
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:56,760
Tried my damnedest.
1057
01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:59,040
Because I'd lost the plot.
1058
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,680
You didn't recognize yourself...
in that moment.
1059
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,760
Growing up, you didn't attack the police.
It was unthinkable.
1060
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,680
But then,
the police didn't attack the people.
1061
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:17,520
People say, "You did this
and you did that, during the strike."
1062
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,560
I said,
"Well, I can look me son in the eye
1063
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,760
and say, 'Son, I fought as hard as I could
1064
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:24,480
for a job and a future for you.'"
1065
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:29,280
'Cause it was never about wages,
it was about jobs.
1066
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,160
I was fighting for...
1067
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,600
your sons, your daughters, a future.
1068
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,880
We just wanted our communities.
1069
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,960
We just wanted our miners welfares,
that's all we wanted.
1070
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:41,400
Didnae want anything else.
1071
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,880
We were now into the afternoon,
1072
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:48,640
and the word came
that they'd proved their point,
1073
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,360
made a number of arrests,
1074
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,600
the lorries had come and gone,
1075
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,320
and now it was time to go home.
1076
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:01,080
And I looked, and I seen
one of my mates talking to the media.
1077
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,200
We deplore
the people that's throwing the bricks.
1078
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,160
We deplore them,
'cause they're no' miners.
1079
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:08,800
They're only agitators.
1080
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:12,040
I says, "Come on, George."
I said, "Of course it's miners...
1081
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,040
but it was in retaliation."
1082
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,200
I must have been mid-rant...
1083
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,040
when two cops moved round behind me.
1084
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,960
And there was just two words spoken.
"Take him."
1085
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,800
The miracle is
that no-one has been killed here today,
1086
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,240
either by being trampled on in the surges
1087
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,440
or struck by some of these enormous bricks
that have been thrown.
1088
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,560
Half-house-bricks and that sort of thing.
1089
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:46,320
Uh, you obviously
saw the barrage coming over,
1090
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,960
and the shields were taking
the full weight of those things.
1091
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:50,760
Without those shields being there,
1092
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,960
there would have been
a lot of policemen in hospital.
1093
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,720
We were told, right,
those who've arrested people
1094
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,440
need to go to this area
1095
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,960
this particular building,
which was sort of like a school building.
1096
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:10,120
- There was desks, I think, from memory.
1097
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:13,360
We started, yeah, writing our statement...
1098
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,960
and then, a person came in...
1099
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:22,040
who was introduced as a senior officer
from South Yorkshire Police,
1100
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:25,360
and he said, you know, "Stop writing."
1101
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,960
And he said,
"Right, this is an instruction.
1102
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:32,320
All statements must contain
this paragraph, or two paragraphs."
1103
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:34,520
A few of us actually sort of stood up
and said,
1104
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:37,040
"Well, no,
that's not how statements are done."
1105
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:41,560
Very vehemently, this person said,
"No, this isn't a request."
1106
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:43,280
You know, "This is an instruction."
1107
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,720
We were being ordered to do that.
1108
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,880
The details of the paragraphs
were effectively the offense of riot.
1109
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:57,680
The person I arrested wasn't,
in that sense, violent towards me.
1110
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,480
He was just ignoring
and determined to ignore what I said.
1111
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,400
I've never seen
what happened to my statement.
1112
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,200
Not since I wrote it.
1113
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:10,560
Would you like to?
1114
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,000
- Yeah. Is it handwritten?
It's typed up.
1115
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:20,760
Yeah, no, this is...
1116
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,840
I don't recognize... a lot of this.
1117
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,080
Um...
1118
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,359
It says I told the person I'd arrested him
for threatening behavior.
1119
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:33,680
It wasn't. It was... obstruction.
1120
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:44,479
We ended up driving off
to the main police station at Rotherham.
1121
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,640
We were all hoicked out of this place
and went to...
1122
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:51,080
We were put in this...
initially, a huge room.
1123
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,240
Oh, there were miners in a mess.
1124
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:54,840
- It were...
1125
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:58,399
Been hit wi' truncheons, their heads
were like... blood all over 'em.
1126
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,000
People were shouting,
"He needs a doctor, him."
1127
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:06,479
"Yeah, we'll get one sorted," and...
They weren't bothered.
1128
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:09,479
Treated you like animals.
1129
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:13,680
We were told then that...
1130
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:18,439
there was a solicitor making her way
to us there from London.
1131
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:25,200
I was taken
straight to Rotherham police station...
1132
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:28,200
anticipating a few arrests.
1133
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:33,040
But there were, in fact, 95 men arrested.
1134
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:36,680
The cells were packed,
1135
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,640
and there was blood, there was vomit,
1136
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:41,680
there was...
1137
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,359
...rampant fear.
1138
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:51,560
Just seemed to be
in there forever, eh?
1139
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:56,840
It was night-time afore
we got put in front of the beaks, eh?
1140
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:02,240
Throughout the day,
we could hear this screaming and moaning.
1141
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:04,800
And as we came out of the cell,
1142
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:06,720
we could see in the other cells then.
1143
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,120
You know, the blood and sweat
1144
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:11,680
and urine and snot and whatever.
1145
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,840
So, we knew
some of the lads had been beaten up.
1146
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,080
Initially, police had been told
1147
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:22,560
this was an unlawful assembly charge,
1148
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:28,720
but it upped to riot for about 25.
1149
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,000
And then, much later on,
1150
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,960
another 25 or so were charged with riot.
1151
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:39,920
There's one set of papers which show that,
1152
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,720
on the 30th of May,
a government representative
1153
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:46,840
called Peter Wright
to discuss more serious charges.
1154
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:48,680
So, again, there's questions over
1155
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:52,880
how much the government
influenced Wright's decision
1156
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,400
on what charges to apply.
1157
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:57,320
{\an8}We've not charged riot lightly.
1158
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:59,800
{\an8}We've looked at the nature of the events
that took place,
1159
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,000
{\an8}and we've measured them and we've...
1160
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,160
{\an8}discussed them
with the county prosecuting solicitor,
1161
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,800
and they can only be at a level of riot.
1162
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:08,840
We've never charged riot before.
1163
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:12,080
And Peter Wright,
along with his colleagues,
1164
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,000
decided that it was more appropriate
to charge for riot...
1165
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:18,160
...which attracted a life sentence.
1166
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:20,960
That, I've got to say...
1167
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,440
put the fear of Christ up me,
it really, really did.
1168
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,440
There's been the worst violence so far
1169
01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:36,360
at the Orgreave coking plant
near Sheffield.
1170
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:39,840
5,000 pickets clashed with police
in a pitched battle.
1171
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:43,440
It was the worst violence
yet seen outside the Orgreave coke plant,
1172
01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:45,320
and the plan to blockade the works
1173
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:47,800
had obviously been carefully orchestrated
on a national scale
1174
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:49,400
by the mineworkers union.
1175
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,200
I mean,
the worst thing that happened after it
1176
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:53,680
was watching it on the news,
1177
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:58,280
and then realizing, "Oh, Christ,
the bloody BBC. This isnae how it went."
1178
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:00,960
The violence began
as the lorries entered the plant.
1179
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:05,360
A barrage of stones and other missiles
fell into the lines of police.
1180
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:07,160
Police on horseback were sent in
1181
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:10,880
in an effort to disperse
the fighting miners.
1182
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:15,200
I remember going home
and watching the news
1183
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:17,760
thinking, "What?!
1184
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:19,400
You bastards!"
1185
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:21,600
The violence
reached a new peak,
1186
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,680
as miners surged forwards
against the riot shields.
1187
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:28,960
Policemen fought with truncheons
under a barrage of stones and missiles.
1188
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:32,040
By mid-morning,
the picketing had turned to rioting.
1189
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:35,480
More riot squads were needed
as reinforcements in the front line
1190
01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:36,800
as the pressure increased.
1191
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:42,200
It were always, like,
us bully-boys on the poor old cops,
1192
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:43,920
and the cops responding.
1193
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,880
Eventually, senior officers
ordered in the mounted police
1194
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,840
to disperse the miners.
1195
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:52,120
The facts of the matter,
undisputed,
1196
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:56,080
are that the police charged
against the miners.
1197
01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:01,400
It wasn't the miners
throwing bricks and stones at the police.
1198
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:03,640
The police charged.
1199
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,200
The police became involved
1200
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:07,440
in some of
the most vicious hand-to-hand fighting
1201
01:13:07,440 --> 01:13:09,800
of the entire miners' dispute.
1202
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,560
The attacks on individual policemen
were horrific.
1203
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:16,000
The police commanders said
it was a marvel that no-one was killed.
1204
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,680
It was really very galling,
to say the least.
1205
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,400
To get a complete doing, and then
getting the blame for the violence,
1206
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:24,480
when it was the police
that had started it.
1207
01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:27,600
That was just... shocking.
1208
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:45,080
Mrs. Thatcher,
one of her ugliest phrases, I think
1209
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:49,360
was to describe the miners
as "the enemy within."
1210
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:52,560
The violence and intimidation we have seen
1211
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,400
should never have happened.
1212
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,600
It is the work of extremists.
1213
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,640
It is the enemy within.
1214
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,800
The Prime Minister...
1215
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,720
saw the miners' strike
1216
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,720
in roughly the same way that she had seen
1217
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:08,840
the invasion of the Falklands.
1218
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:12,080
An attack on Britain.
1219
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,600
{\an8}Britain is not prepared
to be pushed around.
1220
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:20,160
We have dealt with the enemy
without the Argentinian forces.
1221
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,600
Now we must deal with the enemy within.
1222
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:29,400
That's a phrase that... I found shocking.
1223
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:32,720
It is always easier
to defeat the enemy without
1224
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,760
because they can be seen and identified.
1225
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:40,080
And everyone is absolutely united
in defeating the enemy without.
1226
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:44,960
When you get violence and intimidation
and extremism and militancy within,
1227
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,200
it is very much more difficult to defeat.
1228
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,320
But violence and intimidation within
1229
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:52,800
are the enemy of the ballot.
1230
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,240
They are the enemy of democracy,
1231
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:58,200
and anyone or any union
that gives in to them
1232
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,640
- has very little future.
- If I can get this perfectly clear...
1233
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,760
You don't...
Liberty doesn't have any future
1234
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:04,160
if you give in to that.
1235
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:08,000
Moderate trade unions have no future
if we give in to that.
1236
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:13,640
"The enemy within"
was a deeply damaging and poisonous way
1237
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:18,240
in which you begin to isolate
and caricature a group of people.
1238
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,800
How did you feel
when the miners were described
1239
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,040
- as "the enemy within"?
- Oh, f...
1240
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:30,760
Thumping.
1241
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:33,760
How do I feel?
1242
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:35,880
After serving...
1243
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:39,400
...tours in Northern Ireland...
1244
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:41,040
wearing...
1245
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:44,640
Her Majesty's uniform,
1246
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:46,920
and for her to come out
with a statement like that.
1247
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,240
I was also a part-time
fireman at the time,
1248
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:51,720
so I was doing my bit.
1249
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:56,080
And we didn't want oodles of money.
We just wanted to carry on.
1250
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:59,800
We wanted a job. That's all we wanted.
1251
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,080
That hurt a lot of miners, that.
1252
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:06,640
It just shows the contempt
what Thatcher and the Tories
1253
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,320
have got for the working class,
what they really think about you.
1254
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:14,840
It were coal miners
helped them out there through wars,
1255
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,320
they dug coal through wars, for England.
1256
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:20,320
And then to be
portrayed as the enemy within.
1257
01:16:21,440 --> 01:16:23,520
We weren't the enemy.
1258
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:26,960
A part of history forgotten.
1259
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:38,800
After Orgreave,
1260
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:42,360
next part of Thatcher's strategy
was to get people back to work.
1261
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:46,000
Bribe people back to work,
beat people back to work,
1262
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:47,760
starve people back to work.
1263
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:51,080
Whatever it takes,
the green light was given.
1264
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:53,760
The number of striking miners
going back to work this week
1265
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:55,440
is still increasing.
1266
01:16:55,440 --> 01:16:58,200
1,600 men have now
given up the strike this week
1267
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:00,680
according to the Coal Board.
1268
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:03,560
There were letters coming to us
from the Coal Board, saying,
1269
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:07,680
"If you go back, we'll give you
three months' back pay," or whatever.
1270
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,480
We'll pay all your debts,
give you holiday money,
1271
01:17:11,480 --> 01:17:13,840
just to say, "This-- there's a guy back."
1272
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,120
And the media would blow it up, saying,
"That pit's working. That pit's working."
1273
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:20,720
So it's in the mindset of the men,
well, everyone's going back to work.
1274
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:26,400
Looking back, I mean, I quite accept
that I had become a bit of a cheerleader
1275
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,000
because I was reporting
the government's agenda
1276
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,600
by encouraging a return to work.
1277
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,280
{\an8}The Coal Board seems to be
getting towards last Monday's record,
1278
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:36,680
{\an8}when 2,000 miners went back to work.
1279
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:39,840
{\an8}As you say,
1,200 already so far this morning.
1280
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,920
I would
almost call it propaganda,
1281
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:46,160
because it played an enormous part
1282
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:49,840
in terms of
setting the views of many people
1283
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:53,040
who were not actively involved
in supporting the miners.
1284
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:56,720
That they were traitors,
they were disloyal.
1285
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:58,440
But it could have been different.
1286
01:17:58,440 --> 01:18:00,800
We repeatedly asked Arthur Scargill,
1287
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:04,520
"Couldn't we, the media,
have a better relationship with the NUM?"
1288
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:06,240
And we always got a dusty answer.
1289
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,920
He told me, "It's just a waste of time,
1290
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:12,040
because, you know,
you're just agents of Mrs. Thatcher."
1291
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,840
We have seen in the media...
1292
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:17,960
time and time again, suggestions...
1293
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,280
miners are drifting back to work.
1294
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:23,600
Rubbish!
1295
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:28,400
It must be right,
it's in the Daily Express.
1296
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:35,200
And then, Thatcher wanted to start
breaking the most militant areas.
1297
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:38,360
That meant a lot of police
sent into mining communities,
1298
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:43,280
creating, again, the arrests,
the atmosphere of intimidation.
1299
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:46,040
In Yorkshire,
police were waiting.
1300
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,160
Three men went to work here yesterday.
1301
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:51,560
Over 2,000 pickets
were out to stop them today.
1302
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:53,120
But they couldn't get near the gates,
1303
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:56,280
penned into a side street
by row upon row of police,
1304
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:59,360
with reinforcements
standing by, determined...
1305
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,680
More and more people
were required to go.
1306
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,240
I mean, in the end,
they were taking people out of offices.
1307
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:09,960
They used to chase men
and baton them...
1308
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:14,760
...to the degree that people would open
their doors and let them in and hide them.
1309
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:18,480
I don't know whether they were
trying to terrorize us all,
1310
01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:21,280
or think, well...
1311
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:23,120
you know, you're gonna do as you're told.
1312
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:27,840
Everybody got really, really worked up.
1313
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,640
I remember
we had to pass our village green,
1314
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:32,760
which was quite a big area,
1315
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:34,920
and I had me two sons in the car,
1316
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,240
and the little 'un says, he was nine,
1317
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:40,280
"Mam, look at the green. It's black."
1318
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:42,520
And when I looked, it was.
It was black with police.
1319
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:47,360
We turned the corner,
and the street was cordoned off.
1320
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:49,440
I had to stop the car.
1321
01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:52,440
"Where you going? How long will you be?"
1322
01:19:52,440 --> 01:19:54,880
I said, "I'm going to me mam's,
I'm dropping the bairns off."
1323
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:56,520
"Okay."
1324
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,320
And just as I'm winding the window up,
the little 'un says,
1325
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:01,040
"But, Mam, you didn't tell that policeman
1326
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:03,200
we're going
to the picket line first, did you?"
1327
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:06,920
Um, so, that started it.
1328
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,280
2,500 police in your village.
1329
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:14,000
The battle over
the few miners going back
1330
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:15,800
reached a new peak this morning.
1331
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:18,880
A thousand police had to face
barricades of burning cars
1332
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:20,560
to get one man into work.
1333
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:22,320
Scabbing bastard!
1334
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:27,280
By that time, it seemed
the police were no longer worried
1335
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:29,280
about seeing as being partisan.
1336
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:31,640
And to have your village invaded
1337
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:35,880
when you're going to be hungry,
you're going to be...
1338
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,520
worried that it's
not going to go your way now.
1339
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:41,280
Stop throwing missiles!
1340
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:44,560
You can see
how violence would escalate there...
1341
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:48,280
and how people would respond
1342
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:51,760
to a thousand policemen turning up
to take one person back to work.
1343
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:53,360
We've got it.
1344
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,400
The village became
a bit like a hornet's nest.
1345
01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:00,680
And... and the scabs started to go in.
1346
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:03,480
I mean,
that really set the village on fire.
1347
01:21:03,480 --> 01:21:05,400
It really, really did.
1348
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:07,440
You know, the hate we had for these people
1349
01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:10,480
that were going in, were going in to work.
1350
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:17,440
Lots of people in Shirebrook
have been harassing working miners.
1351
01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:19,560
After weeks of broken windows
1352
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,040
and insults
from people who were once your neighbors,
1353
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:24,920
at least two of them
have moved to other villages.
1354
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:29,400
And sadly,
as we got further into winter...
1355
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:34,040
the more people did drift back to work.
1356
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,160
- What's driven you to go back to work?
- Money.
1357
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,720
- You say money?
- Money. Financial problems.
1358
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:42,600
I suppose everyone's got
their reason for going back.
1359
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:46,000
To me, there's no excuse for going back.
1360
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:49,680
Scabby bastards!
1361
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:54,880
Weeks turned into months...
1362
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:57,400
and nothing was happening.
1363
01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:59,800
And I'm... at home...
1364
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,520
not earning, obviously,
as nobody else was.
1365
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:08,800
I said to me dad, I said,
"Look, I want to go back into work."
1366
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:10,800
And he said, "Well...
1367
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:12,360
no son of mine is going to scab,
1368
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:14,720
and if you're going to scab,
I'm not having a scab under this roof.
1369
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:17,320
You better move out,
and I suggest you do it now...
1370
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:19,720
there and then."
1371
01:22:20,440 --> 01:22:22,640
Because of me dad being a big union man,
1372
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:24,840
I knew that it would be embarrassing.
1373
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:26,640
And that was
one of the contributing factors
1374
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:27,960
to me not going back earlier.
1375
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:31,560
On that particular Thursday,
I remember it vividly,
1376
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:35,040
I picked the phone up, dialed the number,
I said, "I'm coming back to work."
1377
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:37,760
And I knew, I thought...
1378
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:39,880
"There's no going back now."
1379
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:44,520
"Here's what's going to happen.
1380
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:47,040
The bus will come," he said,
"There'll be policemen outside your house.
1381
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:50,320
Don't get worried about that.
That's just here for protection.
1382
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,880
You'll drive through the picket lines,
and that's not going to be easy.
1383
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:55,640
Um, there'll be a lot of shouting,
1384
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:57,840
there may be a few missiles
thrown at the bus as you're going in."
1385
01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:59,600
And I'm thinking, "Oh, crikey."
1386
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:05,120
The following Monday, I opened the door,
and there were two...
1387
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:07,720
um, uniformed officers.
1388
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:09,800
He says, "Are you ready, young man?"
1389
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:12,560
You know, total...
It's just part of normal daily life.
1390
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:14,680
To me, it were a life-changing decision.
1391
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:18,480
And that walk from the front door
to the end of the garden path...
1392
01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:20,360
I felt like I were walking to t'gallows.
1393
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:24,600
Got on the bus, and as I sat down...
1394
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:26,720
the chaperone came down to me,
1395
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:30,160
and he put his hand on my shoulder,
and he says,
1396
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,920
"You've done t'right thing, lad.
You're in good hands now."
1397
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:35,960
He said, "Just one word from me.
1398
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,400
If we get overrun,
1399
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,880
there are baseball bats
in t'racks above you."
1400
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:47,360
If I said I weren't petrified,
I'd be lying.
1401
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:50,960
But there were no violence,
there were no...
1402
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:53,920
Nothing was thrown at the bus,
no missiles as such.
1403
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:57,480
From what I'd seen on t'news,
it was totally different.
1404
01:23:57,480 --> 01:23:59,440
There was no missiles.
1405
01:23:59,440 --> 01:24:03,240
Yeah, they'd push at the police lines
to get to the buses.
1406
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:05,600
But it turns out all they wanted to do
1407
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:09,040
was to get onto the bus
to try and persuade us to change us mind.
1408
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,080
You believe in
what the comics are telling you.
1409
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:12,640
I can see with me eyes.
1410
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:15,440
Yeah, but if you're not looking,
you can't see the wood for the trees.
1411
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:17,720
You're forgetting
to shove it aside and look.
1412
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,360
You know,
it pitted brother against brother.
1413
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:23,400
It pitted father against son.
1414
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:26,080
It even split communities.
It destroyed communities.
1415
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:33,520
After the strike, a reporter
from the Radio Times asked me dad,
1416
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,200
"Should the worst thing happen,
and you pass away,
1417
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:37,560
would you be happy
for Steven to come to your funeral?"
1418
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,320
And he says, "I'd rather go to his."
1419
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:46,680
And that, even to this day,
even just recalling that day,
1420
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:48,800
And I think, "Really?"
1421
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:53,120
That was the line drawn under it.
1422
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:03,000
It was a bit bleak there
towards Christmas.
1423
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:08,440
But miners are very resilient.
They help each other.
1424
01:25:08,440 --> 01:25:10,080
Four times a week,
1425
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:13,360
Ronnie Mott and his two friends,
Alan Horcroft and Trevor Diamond,
1426
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:15,560
set out in search of coal.
1427
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:19,360
One bag will keep their families
warm and washed for two days.
1428
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:22,360
There were people there, you know,
trying to keep your spirits up.
1429
01:25:24,440 --> 01:25:26,120
We had the women.
1430
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:29,320
Women's support groups,
women's action groups,
1431
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:31,480
women on picket lines.
1432
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:37,680
I ended up going to London
quite a lot, fundraising.
1433
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:43,240
Eventually,
I ended up in Germany, Belgium,
1434
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:46,400
Holland, twice in America.
1435
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:50,680
We needed that money for the food.
1436
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:53,560
Otherwise,
we would have been starved back,
1437
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:55,920
and we didn't want that.
1438
01:25:57,760 --> 01:25:59,800
It was so hard
watching people...
1439
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:04,000
who you love,
who you think so much about, who...
1440
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:08,760
At first, we're all like this.
1441
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:12,520
But as weeks went on,
you could see it's... getting worse.
1442
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:15,080
So, we then had to become
1443
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:17,920
like an advice center
as well as a food center.
1444
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:22,200
One man, he'd waited
till his wife had gone to bed.
1445
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:24,640
He rang to say
he was going to kill his-self
1446
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:27,160
'cause they couldn't
pay the electric bill, you know?
1447
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:29,320
So, I would get up
in the middle of the night
1448
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:33,200
and go to see these people,
and try and help out.
1449
01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:36,160
What was it like financially and...?
1450
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:37,880
Horrendous. Horrendous.
1451
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:40,480
I live with the guilt of that.
1452
01:26:42,440 --> 01:26:45,520
You're putting your wife,
and at the time, me son,
1453
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,560
through hell for something you believe in.
1454
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,680
When it come to the Christmas time,
we had nothing.
1455
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:53,280
Nothing.
1456
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:55,360
I had no coal, nothing to burn.
1457
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:57,840
Uh, nothing in the cupboards.
1458
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:00,840
It was...
It always sits heavy with me, this.
1459
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:07,720
My husband knew that I was suffering,
he knew I was tired.
1460
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:11,840
But he didn't know just how bad I was.
1461
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:15,000
I didn't want him to know.
1462
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:21,000
So, I thought,
"Shall I go to see the Catholic father?"
1463
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:22,560
And I did.
1464
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:25,800
And every Friday night
for the rest of the strike,
1465
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:27,880
I went to Father O'Conn...
1466
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:30,160
Father O'Connor's house...
1467
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:32,640
for a cup of tea and a chat.
1468
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:37,240
He just listened,
and that helped to keep me going.
1469
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:45,720
I can always remember sitting having
a conversation with the wife,
1470
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:49,240
a couple of weeks after,
when the dust had settled.
1471
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:53,560
And she says,
"Would you ever do that again?"
1472
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:56,600
I says, "I would, yes."
1473
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:58,400
She says,
"I don't think I could support you."
1474
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:00,240
Oh, I'm getting choked up here!
1475
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:02,040
Can you give us a minute.
1476
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:15,960
It just gets us sometimes.
1477
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:22,240
Yeah, it was...
1478
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:26,160
wasn't the best of times, that.
The reality of it, you know.
1479
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:29,040
Can you just imagine living on £7 a week?
1480
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:30,640
If you just put it down in front of you,
1481
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:32,760
and then think of
what shopping you've got to do,
1482
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:34,320
the bills what's to come out of it,
1483
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:38,000
you can't imagine it.
And it's those people's gone back.
1484
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:41,840
We both went in and out of... depression.
1485
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:47,080
Having to apply for
winter coats for the children.
1486
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:52,040
Don hated it. He absolutely...
"I provide for my children."
1487
01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:54,240
I mean, I've,
I've been up till four o'clock,
1488
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:55,360
five o'clock in the morning.
1489
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:57,560
Not because... I'm not tired. Worry.
1490
01:28:57,560 --> 01:28:59,880
I mean, who wouldn't be worried
at owing £2,000?
1491
01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:02,160
Wondering what the postwoman's
going to bring the following morning.
1492
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:04,880
It's going to be
a threatening letter from,
1493
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,400
you know, the building society,
the bank or whatever.
1494
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:11,640
Behind those closed doors,
there's been an awful lot of suffering.
1495
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:15,560
I wonder how many children have seen
parents cry? How much debt they're in?
1496
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:16,960
There's an awful of that gone on.
1497
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:21,480
But no-one's ever said,
"Why have they stayed out?"
1498
01:29:21,480 --> 01:29:25,240
They've stayed out because they believe
in what they were fighting for.
1499
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:31,760
Good evening.
1500
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:35,840
There will be no more negotiations
between the Coal Board and the NUM.
1501
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:39,480
{\an8}That was made quite clear
by Mrs. Thatcher in the Commons during...
1502
01:29:39,480 --> 01:29:43,040
{\an8}I knew that there would be no end to this
1503
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,200
unless there was
an unconditional surrender,
1504
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:48,840
either by Mrs. Thatcher,
or by Arthur Scargill.
1505
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:52,040
But if Mrs. Thatcher
wanted unconditional victory...
1506
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:56,520
Arthur wanted it, too, almost.
And I think that was the problem.
1507
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:59,520
The National Executive Committee
of the NUM
1508
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:01,920
are not begging or crawling
1509
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:05,280
to the National Coal Board
for a resumption of negotiations.
1510
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:07,440
She wasn't going to give way,
he wasn't going to give way.
1511
01:30:07,440 --> 01:30:09,680
He wanted to carry on.
1512
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:11,880
There's this criticism of Arthur Scargill
1513
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:14,320
of not being prepared to do a deal.
1514
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:18,760
Why did he put the miners
through these six months of hardship
1515
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:22,320
in the autumn and the winter of that year?
1516
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:28,880
After Christmas,
there was definitely a change in mood.
1517
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:31,560
You know, it's...
1518
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:36,560
All that sacrifice, it was just
beginning to dawn on you that...
1519
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:39,480
...it was going to be for nothing.
1520
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:56,280
The miners' strike is over.
The NUM is recommending all its members
1521
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:58,560
to go back to work on Tuesday.
1522
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:01,080
Voting at today's
special delegate conference
1523
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:02,960
was declared a few minutes ago.
1524
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:05,080
98 to 91,
1525
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:07,680
- in favor of an organized return.
1526
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:10,160
Conference has decided...
1527
01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:14,200
that the National Union of Mineworkers...
1528
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:17,560
shall organize
a return to work on Tuesday.
1529
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:20,400
I called the boys together.
1530
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:23,160
I said, "Boys, we've got to go back."
1531
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:25,000
"Why, Tyrone? Why should we?"
1532
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:27,080
"Boys...
1533
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:29,760
the democratic decision has been taken.
1534
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:31,680
We're not scabs.
1535
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:34,440
We will accept,"
as much as we didn't want it,
1536
01:31:34,440 --> 01:31:36,960
"We will accept the democratic decision."
1537
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:40,600
Okay, boys,
I know it's a bitter pill to swallow,
1538
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:42,760
but we are going back to work
1539
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:45,760
without a negotiated settlement.
1540
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:47,120
But nevertheless...
1541
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:51,280
I was absolutely devastated.
I honestly cried that day.
1542
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:55,640
And Arthur Scargill came out and he said,
"Look," he says,
1543
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:58,680
"I'm sorry,
but yous have got to go back to work."
1544
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:01,040
Well, I was gutted.
Oh, I couldn't believe it.
1545
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:05,600
We had lost, as simple as that.
We had lost.
1546
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:10,560
And they could do anything they wanted.
1547
01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:15,680
On the last morning of the strike,
1548
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:19,080
the working miners drive past the pickets.
1549
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:23,360
But tomorrow, they've all got to learn
to work together again.
1550
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:25,480
I think it was an enormous grief.
1551
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:30,280
All the urgings to keep...
You know, "Keep going, keep going.
1552
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:32,240
We can do this. Keep going, keep going."
1553
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:36,000
It was all to no avail, and it was over.
1554
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:40,720
I still believe, to this day, that if
they'd given just that little bit longer,
1555
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:42,520
three or four more weeks,
I think we'd have got there.
1556
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:44,480
I really, really believe that.
1557
01:32:44,480 --> 01:32:46,000
But we didn't...
1558
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:49,520
...and we marched back.
1559
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:54,280
They've stood
behind their union for a year.
1560
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:56,920
This morning, their march back to work
1561
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:59,480
was intended as
another gesture of defiance
1562
01:32:59,480 --> 01:33:01,920
to the Coal Board and the government.
1563
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:05,840
Meeting at the Miners Welfare,
and we're going to march along to the pit
1564
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:08,120
and march in, carrying the banner,
1565
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:10,800
and we're going to try and be
as jolly as we can.
1566
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:18,680
There was a...
a huge front put on, of joviality.
1567
01:33:20,440 --> 01:33:23,040
Behind their champion brass band,
1568
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:26,160
the miners, their mothers,
their children, and their wives,
1569
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:28,480
gathered in their thousands.
1570
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:33,280
Although I stuck my chest out
and me chin up,
1571
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:37,040
and cheered when we marched back
in front of our banner...
1572
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:41,520
...I were dead inside. I were dead.
1573
01:33:44,480 --> 01:33:47,000
It was
the toughest part of the strike,
1574
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:50,880
but at least there were
thousands other people like me.
1575
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:54,000
But in Nottingham, my goodness,
1576
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:57,400
these people suffered
massive harassment and intimidation.
1577
01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:01,320
For the strikers, the next few weeks
are going to be difficult ones indeed.
1578
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:04,160
Here in the Midlands,
they are very much in the minority,
1579
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:06,480
and many feel, rightly or wrongly,
1580
01:34:06,480 --> 01:34:09,080
that they may become
the targets for intimidation.
1581
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:13,200
We were the most hated men
at that colliery.
1582
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:16,560
- We'll sort that out, right?
- Aye, don't forget.
1583
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:17,960
What we spoke about.
1584
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:21,640
You know, threats of violence towards us,
1585
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:24,080
you know, on the pit-top,
when you were getting changed.
1586
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:27,280
Threats of violence.
1587
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:29,440
Honestly, we were detested.
1588
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:35,160
I dinnae think we can pretend
it was anything other than a defeat.
1589
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:38,120
However, people did see that we fought.
1590
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:43,320
It took the Tories and the whole
of the British state, everything,
1591
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:46,000
it took them more than a year to beat us.
1592
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:54,480
But that year
had cost the people so much.
1593
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:58,280
For some people, it cost them their lives.
1594
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:11,040
Um...
1595
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:16,360
There was a... I know at least four people
1596
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:19,920
that died in the wake of the strike,
that committed suicide.
1597
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:22,040
And I'm not saying it was entirely...
1598
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:24,720
...the strike...
1599
01:35:26,440 --> 01:35:28,920
...but that was a huge part of it.
1600
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:38,520
Most of the 90 or so miners arrested
1601
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:39,680
were charged with riot
1602
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:42,360
carrying a possible life sentence.
1603
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:43,640
We'd read the headlines.
1604
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:47,040
We'd heard them
being regurgitated on the news.
1605
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:50,480
Anybody found guilty
at Sheffield Crown Court...
1606
01:35:50,480 --> 01:35:51,720
can expect life.
1607
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:56,840
Life, you always thought,
was for murderers and...
1608
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:59,600
guys... you know, serious criminals.
1609
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:03,120
You are powerless, aren't you?
1610
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:04,960
You're just at their mercy, aren't you?
1611
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:07,800
They were terrified.
1612
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:09,720
These were working men,
1613
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:13,600
all different ages,
from a teenager, one of my clients,
1614
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:16,200
up to men in their fifties.
1615
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:18,680
And it weren't only me. There were...
1616
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:21,880
grown men there who were scared,
d'you know what I mean?
1617
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:23,880
A lot of years.
1618
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:29,040
Everyone thought that this was
going to be an uphill struggle.
1619
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:32,080
- But as the prosecution evidence
1620
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:35,040
was served in advance of the trial,
1621
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:37,600
then we could all see there were
1622
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:40,960
various aspects of that evidence
1623
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:44,400
which tended to rather undermine
1624
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:46,680
the core of the prosecution case.
1625
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:50,680
The prosecution had not elected
1626
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:53,600
to make the police video
a part of its case.
1627
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:58,760
One they took themselves
from behind the police lines.
1628
01:36:59,960 --> 01:37:02,440
So, we were entitled to see it.
1629
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:07,480
That videotape
was used to devastating effect
1630
01:37:07,480 --> 01:37:10,800
on the principal
and most senior police officer,
1631
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:13,280
Assistant Chief Constable Clements.
1632
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:20,280
Clements claimed that the justification
for the short shield officers going in
1633
01:37:20,280 --> 01:37:23,800
was because the sky
was black with missiles,
1634
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:26,440
and that was the level of violence,
1635
01:37:26,440 --> 01:37:29,160
so they had to do something about it.
1636
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:31,480
And so, we asked him to look at the video.
1637
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:37,320
It was quite clear
that there wasn't much...
1638
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:39,680
in all honesty, in the way of missiles.
1639
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:42,120
Now, not only was that a lie,
1640
01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:44,520
but it was a calculated lie.
1641
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:50,040
And then he was asked about
the use of short shields and truncheons
1642
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:53,720
and where that authority came from.
1643
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:58,720
And that's when
he referred to the manual.
1644
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:01,440
And we all went...
1645
01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:03,440
"What manual?"
1646
01:38:03,440 --> 01:38:05,320
One of the defense team asks
1647
01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:08,080
if the Home Office
was involved in the manual,
1648
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:10,680
and that question is shut down.
1649
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:13,280
Prosecution objects, judge agrees.
1650
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:17,240
That's very curious to me.
1651
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:21,560
Why object if the answer was no?
1652
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:24,240
Then we were served
with the actual witness statements
1653
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:28,200
of the various arresting officers,
1654
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:30,680
and it immediately became clear
1655
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:34,800
that large portions of them
must have been dictated.
1656
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:39,320
Officers from differing forces
all over the country
1657
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:41,280
had somehow...
1658
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:43,120
...managed to write
1659
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:47,560
verbatim accounts
in each other's statements.
1660
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:52,320
This became increasingly untenable.
1661
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:54,560
Yesterday,
a policeman, PC Gary Gray,
1662
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:57,240
had admitted that in court
that his statement had been wrong.
1663
01:38:57,240 --> 01:38:59,160
He confessed that
the first part of the statement
1664
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:01,520
had been dictated to him by a detective.
1665
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:04,920
The prosecution case collapsed.
1666
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:07,800
Celebration outside
Sheffield Crown Court this week
1667
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:11,360
following the collapse of
the prosecution case against 14 miners
1668
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:14,200
charged with riot
at the Orgreave coking plant.
1669
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:17,280
The case had collapsed.
1670
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:21,680
I suspected that it was to do
with the fact of these...
1671
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:24,360
statements, you know, what was inserted.
1672
01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:27,520
There was never any investigation.
1673
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:29,400
Yeah, that's the disturbing picture,
1674
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:32,400
that no-one seems interested
to actually find out
1675
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:35,960
why all this happened
and who made those decisions.
1676
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:39,040
One defence lawyer said
the case was the worst example
1677
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:42,200
of a mass frame-up
in this country this century.
1678
01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:46,560
Another talked about wholesale dishonesty
and a spiteful prosecution.
1679
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:49,840
The miners insist
1680
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:52,320
the whole prosecution
was wrongly conceived.
1681
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:55,320
Their ordeal left men in prison
and families broken up.
1682
01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:59,640
You know, there's certain feelings
that has left you unsettled
1683
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:02,680
and I mean, I'm married
and I have to keep my job, obviously
1684
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:06,240
and so I mean, I'm just overwhelmed
and I'm glad that it's been this outcome.
1685
01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:07,760
As a trial...
1686
01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:14,320
...it had achieved really nothing,
other than, and thankfully...
1687
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:17,840
that each and every one of us
was going home to our families.
1688
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:21,800
It was elation.
1689
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:25,320
We were crying. Everybody were crying
and hugging each other.
1690
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:28,040
It were just... an amazing feeling.
1691
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:34,840
Press were outside, and they wanted us
to go out and meet 'em.
1692
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:37,200
And I didn't want that.
1693
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:39,840
I were free, I wanted to go.
1694
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:42,000
'Cause I could go where I want
and do what I want.
1695
01:40:44,240 --> 01:40:48,160
The thought of... The thought
of not going to jail for ten years
1696
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:51,400
when I've got two young kiddies to...
and a family to look after,
1697
01:40:51,400 --> 01:40:54,440
yeah, obviously,
it's great from that perspective.
1698
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:57,240
But...
1699
01:40:57,240 --> 01:41:00,120
again, to a degree...
1700
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:03,000
it pisses you off, because...
1701
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:05,320
it's done what they wanted to do.
1702
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:00,400
Before the strike...
1703
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:03,360
we worked three shifts,
days, afters, and nights.
1704
01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:07,800
And there was always somebody on streets,
1705
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:10,640
coming home from work or going to work.
1706
01:42:10,640 --> 01:42:12,040
No one ever had any break-ins.
1707
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:14,960
I can't remember any drugs.
1708
01:42:16,040 --> 01:42:18,520
Now you're looking at our villages...
1709
01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:21,480
and there's drugs all over the place.
1710
01:42:21,480 --> 01:42:24,960
They've absolutely decimated
all our mining villages.
1711
01:42:26,360 --> 01:42:29,240
The next generation just became junkies.
1712
01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:31,440
There was a lot of junkies in the
village. A lot of people died.
1713
01:42:31,440 --> 01:42:32,600
Young men died.
1714
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:35,680
And there wasn't any work.
1715
01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:42,440
Decimated. Absolutely decimated.
1716
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:48,880
Now there's not a coal mine in Scotland.
1717
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:57,040
Nothing left. Nae industry.
1718
01:42:57,040 --> 01:43:00,720
Nae jobs for the people
that worked in the mining industry.
1719
01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:01,960
There's nothing.
1720
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:09,240
It's unforgivable
that you do that to an industry
1721
01:43:09,240 --> 01:43:10,960
and then don't support your people
1722
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:13,320
because you don't believe
in what they think.
1723
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:15,840
Had a big effect on my life.
1724
01:43:18,440 --> 01:43:19,560
Drinking a lot.
1725
01:43:21,200 --> 01:43:22,360
Taking drugs.
1726
01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:24,320
Fighting.
1727
01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:26,960
Got in lots of...
1728
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:30,360
My life actually got worse after that.
1729
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:33,280
I don't think it'll ever go away.
1730
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:35,960
I think it's going to stick with people
who were involved in that
1731
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:38,000
till they take it to their graves.
1732
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:45,480
I remember,
I eventually took the plunge
1733
01:43:45,480 --> 01:43:47,360
and took my redundancy.
1734
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:53,480
How do you feel like this after 40 years?
1735
01:43:53,480 --> 01:43:55,960
Silly, innit, really? Um...
1736
01:43:57,800 --> 01:43:59,680
And we're stood in Meadowhall
and I look round
1737
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:02,080
and the people spending money, and...
1738
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:05,400
buying things for the kids, and buying...
1739
01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:08,160
All I got was... not a job.
1740
01:44:08,160 --> 01:44:09,640
No prospects.
1741
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:14,960
That moment in time, I have never, ever...
1742
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:16,920
felt as low in my life.
1743
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:20,640
I think that's why...
1744
01:44:20,640 --> 01:44:22,800
it feels so emotional now, you know?
1745
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:24,720
It feel it, it's...
1746
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:28,080
It's immense, you know what I mean?
It hurts, you know what I mean?
1747
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:32,280
Why do you think
it remains this emotional 40 years on?
1748
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:35,200
I dunno...
1749
01:44:38,120 --> 01:44:38,960
Anger.
1750
01:44:42,200 --> 01:44:45,880
Not having the truth told.
1751
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:05,320
How long is it since you've seen him?
1752
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:09,720
Forty years, almost.
1753
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:12,360
I was 22...
1754
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:15,280
and this lad here was 16.
1755
01:45:16,680 --> 01:45:17,680
And he had hair.
1756
01:45:20,040 --> 01:45:22,320
He had hair back then.
1757
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:24,200
- How are you?
- How you doin', fella?
1758
01:45:24,200 --> 01:45:26,040
- Ey up, mate.
- Nice to see you.
1759
01:45:26,040 --> 01:45:28,280
- How are you, mate?
- Come here.
1760
01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:30,160
- How you doing?
- I'm good. You?
1761
01:45:30,160 --> 01:45:32,840
Yeah, I'm fine.
All the better for seeing you.
1762
01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:34,640
Yeah, nice. Long time, mate.
1763
01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:37,080
It's... Well, I've just been asked that.
Forty years?
1764
01:45:37,080 --> 01:45:38,640
Yeah, 40 year.
1765
01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:40,400
You've not changed much.
1766
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:42,600
I had... I had the long hair then.
1767
01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:44,600
Yeah, you did.
Only thing that's missing, mate.
1768
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:45,920
That was a bit comical, eh?
1769
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:48,240
- Yeah, you're looking well.
- You could be doing with some of it now.
1770
01:45:48,240 --> 01:45:50,120
Yeah, well, you know.
1771
01:45:53,320 --> 01:45:55,360
Some good friendships
come out of it.
1772
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:58,560
Not just people who were on trial.
1773
01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:01,360
It just got like one massive family.
1774
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:04,240
Everybody stuck together
and helped each other.
1775
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:05,960
- How do, lads?
Hello, guys.
1776
01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:08,160
- All right, Craig.
- Changed a bit, eh?
1777
01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:09,920
We bonded as a group
1778
01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:12,040
and we supported one another as a group.
1779
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:15,280
- Changed massively.
- Yeah.
1780
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:19,360
I'm trying to get it in my mind's eye
how it looked in '84.
1781
01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:21,560
Thirty-eight years
is a long time, in't it?
1782
01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:22,480
It is.
1783
01:46:22,480 --> 01:46:25,680
Well, it's a long time,
and lot's-- a lot's changed.
1784
01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:28,760
Can you run any faster?
1785
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:32,080
When I'm-- when I'm getting chased
by the police, yeah.
1786
01:46:33,200 --> 01:46:34,760
I think the old pit were there.
1787
01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:35,880
Yeah.
1788
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:37,600
Yeah.
- Unbelievable.
1789
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:39,520
It's got to have been there, I think.
1790
01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:42,280
The weather was better.
1791
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:45,080
- It was scorching.
- Yeah.
1792
01:46:45,080 --> 01:46:47,760
I had my white shirt on there, unbuttoned.
1793
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:49,720
- Yeah.
1794
01:46:50,440 --> 01:46:51,480
Yeah.
1795
01:46:51,480 --> 01:46:53,440
You only live
in the world you create.
1796
01:46:54,040 --> 01:46:56,560
We tried to create a better world for all.
1797
01:46:57,680 --> 01:46:59,440
And I have no guilt over that,
1798
01:46:59,440 --> 01:47:01,560
I have a clear conscience over that,
1799
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:03,600
and I'm proud of what I've done over that.
1800
01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:07,880
I still like to think
the world will change,
1801
01:47:07,880 --> 01:47:12,160
but me optimism has waned slightly,
let's put it that way.
1802
01:47:18,360 --> 01:47:20,280
Why do you think you remain
1803
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:22,200
so proud of the industry
that's killed your dad?
1804
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:24,400
It's killed members of your family.
1805
01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:27,680
Your health in particular
suffers as a result,
1806
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:31,080
and yet you're still so proud of it.
What-- Why do you think that is?
1807
01:47:31,080 --> 01:47:33,080
When I started in the coalface...
1808
01:47:34,240 --> 01:47:37,000
at 16-- 15, when I went underground,
1809
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:40,760
immediately, my union taught me
1810
01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:43,920
the importance of trying to make change.
1811
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:49,480
For 100 years or more,
we tried to make a difference.
1812
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:53,280
Tried to make a better world.
1813
01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:57,040
Tried to understand sharing of wealth.
1814
01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:00,440
And willing to do something about it.
1815
01:48:02,680 --> 01:48:05,280
That's been... my life.
1816
01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:10,160
Yeah, you work hard underground,
1817
01:48:10,520 --> 01:48:13,880
but also then in your own time,
your family time...
1818
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:17,680
you still try
to make a difference in the world.
1819
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:23,480
So, yeah, I'm proud to be...
1820
01:48:24,720 --> 01:48:26,880
proud to be a miner. Very proud.
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