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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,280 18th June 1984. Tell me it's the biggie. 4 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,280 It's about seven o'clock. A few of us are here already. 5 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,360 I'm told there's gonna be thousands. Let's have a look, see what happens. 6 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,400 As the miners' strike enters its 13th week, 7 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,920 it's been a quiet morning on the picket lines. 8 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,640 One hundred and nineteen pits are closed, 44 are turning out coal, 9 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,200 and in a further 12, there's some work. 10 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,080 Orgreave. 11 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,200 June the 18th, 1984. 12 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:28,880 It were a beautiful morning. 13 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,800 Not a cloud int' sky. I can remember birds singing. 14 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:36,800 It was scorching. 15 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:38,720 Six in the morning, 16 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,760 all the Scottish boys had their tops off, it was that warm. 17 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,560 It was jovial. There was football, there was villagers coming out 18 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,800 with trays of orange juice and ice and water, 19 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,000 and we were just... 20 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,600 making up the numbers in this field. 21 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:00,400 But I saw summat that morning 22 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,400 I've never witnessed before on picket line. 23 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,280 We traveled to Orgreave and the funny thing was now 24 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,800 all the police guiding you in. Never seen this before. 25 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,400 Because normally they'd stop you on the motorway 26 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,240 and make you walk six, seven miles. 27 00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:21,560 The police were bringing the pickets to the picket line. 28 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,680 Even giving you parking spaces. 29 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,760 Yeah. Valet parking. 30 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,080 "This way, sir, to your slaughter." 31 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,520 That was the big thing. You know, all these buses. 32 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,480 And when we got there, the buses stacked everywhere. 33 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,360 Why have they let us in? 34 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,240 When we got there, I thought, "This is different." 35 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,400 You go over the railway bridge... 36 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,440 and that's where you could see the plant. 37 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,520 The amount of police, 38 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,200 and just the way they were lined up... 39 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,040 you thought, "Oh, my God." 40 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,720 You cannot manifest that number of policemen overnight. 41 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,160 It's impossible. 42 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,960 I thought, "They've got something planned here." 43 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:18,680 Halfway through that morning, right? 44 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:21,360 Everything stopped. 45 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:29,080 The next thing, we heard this rammy. 46 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,040 You could hear this noise. 47 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,880 This banging, police coming up with their batons, 48 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,880 banging on their shields... 49 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,080 harder and harder. 50 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,000 That was scary. That'd have scared the living daylights out you. 51 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,920 Fuckin' hell. You sensed it in the air. 52 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,080 There was something different about Orgreave that day. 53 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,320 That's when we should have turned round and gone home. 54 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,520 Mounted, will you withdraw, please? 55 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,640 I said, "I'm not leaving here. Today's our day. This is the battle." 56 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,880 It was a day never to be forgotten. 57 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,160 I don't think any of us realized what we were heading to. 58 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,240 That afternoon, they went for it. 59 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:30,640 Boy, did they go for it. 60 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,840 See what they're doing? 61 00:04:38,840 --> 00:04:44,520 Some of the things I saw still get to me to this day, 40 years on. 62 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,120 This was the arena of violence. 63 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,560 - Come on! 64 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,320 They'd set it up. 65 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,680 Otherwise, they would never have let us in. 66 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:05,560 It was quite clearly a pre-planned operation. 67 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,480 The government intervened in every area... 68 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,800 and they've been covering it up for 40 years. 69 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,920 They're determined not to let the truth out. 70 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,440 The government, in my opinion, planned this thing. 71 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,520 Thatcher was determined to wipe us out. 72 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,240 If you step out of line, they don't like it. 73 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:37,640 Take that bloody thing... 74 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,680 It's going to stick with people who were involved in that, 75 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,200 till they take it to their graves, I think. 76 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,840 We were just innocent people... 77 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:50,480 and that's got to come out. 78 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:25,920 I remember that day. 79 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,440 And we was on, actually, on six o'clock nights. 80 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,480 Which was, like, a mid-shift. So, we could do things while the shifts... 81 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,000 before the shifts change in the shaft. 82 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,520 When we got in, this is when we found out that... 83 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,440 they wanted to shut the pit. 84 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,240 Normally, you hear rumors that this was going to happen. 85 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,840 There was none of that at all. 86 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,240 And so, I was skeptical. 87 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,240 You want to hear it from the horse's mouth. 88 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,360 I remember him waking me up during the night - 89 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,480 it was sometime during the night - 90 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,520 to tell me, and I'm thinking, "Why would they do that?" 91 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,200 You know, "Why would they do that?" 92 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,160 And the reason I'm saying that is Don had been working for a year, 93 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,880 putting all new pipe in from top of the pits, down to the bottom. 94 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,920 Why would you spend that money when you're going to close it? 95 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,200 So, we thought there was a mistake, I thought there was a mistake. 96 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,520 We had a union meeting the following morning, 97 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,200 and the union guy said that they'd had a meeting 98 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,520 with some area boffins on the management side 99 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,120 and said that they... 100 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,000 definitely are going to close the pit. 101 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,800 I can't remember the timeframe, but relatively quickly. 102 00:08:47,560 --> 00:08:49,680 The road I lived on then, and still live on now, 103 00:08:49,680 --> 00:08:54,040 there were 31 families out of 31 houses on our street 104 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:58,920 that relied totally on an income from Cortonwood. 105 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,440 So, what the bloody hell's going to happen to the village? 106 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,720 I would have thought anyone with any sense... 107 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,080 could have given 'em a little bit more to hang onto. 108 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,680 A bit of a hope, you know? 109 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:15,840 But there appeared... 110 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,840 to be not a lot of hope at all. 111 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,000 Aren't there alternative jobs offered? 112 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,440 - No. - We haven't been offered nowt. 113 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,120 Not to our knowledge. - This area... 114 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:27,920 There's no jobs round this area. 115 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,240 There's only pits holding this area together. 116 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,840 If this pit goes, it'll be like a plague all up t'valley. 117 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,920 A few women worked at the pit themselves. 118 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:46,520 Working in the canteens and cleaning... cleaning the showers and whatever. 119 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,200 So... we didn't know where this was going to lead us. 120 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,320 And it wasn't just a job for us. 121 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,080 It was a way of life. 122 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,400 Those industries were the social glue. 123 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:06,840 That provided purpose, provided dignity. 124 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:11,440 When people say, "Oh, working down the pit can't have been much fun." 125 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,680 Well, it may not have been, but you felt part of something. 126 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,840 There were a sense of pride in terms of how you won that coal. 127 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,520 If you've never seen ultimate darkness... 128 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:33,960 ...go underground... 129 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:35,560 and switch your light off. 130 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,400 Utter darkness. 131 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,360 You can't see your hand in front of your face. 132 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,360 You can go like this, you can't see it. 133 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,800 Many times, my light went out. Couldn't move, 134 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,400 cause there's so many dangerous things, 135 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,960 you know, you know, there's-- you just still and wait. 136 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,920 If you were at one end, it could have been freezing cold 137 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:04,400 with water coming through the roof. 138 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,160 If you were at the other end, it could be red hot. 139 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,640 That was a... It was an incredible experience. 140 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,240 On a coalface, you've got a coal-shearing machine, 141 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:19,480 and it rips into the coal, which creates dust, 142 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,960 so, you have to put, like, a mask on, 143 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:23,840 but you get hot and sweaty with the mask, 144 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,120 and you cannot see your hand in front of your face. 145 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,240 When you were working on a face line 146 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,760 and everything was going very well, 147 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,120 it was a reasonably easy job. 148 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,280 It wisnae until... 149 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:45,600 you had, like, stone intrusions, faults. 150 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:50,040 That's when everything could go bad quickly. 151 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,800 When I first started in the pit, 152 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,720 after about three months they carried some bloke out in a bag. 153 00:11:58,680 --> 00:12:02,760 He was changing the cutter picks and the machine started. 154 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,240 The, the drum went round and he went round with it 155 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:10,240 and they, they took him out in a bag, all in bits, like. 156 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,480 Picked up a few fingers off the ground before. 157 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,800 Put them in a crisp packet, sent them up... 158 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,880 for to get stitched back onto people. 159 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,360 You were maybe on a man-riding belt, 160 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,920 and if you lifted your head up in the wrong place, 161 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:31,760 it could have been taken off. 162 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,040 I remember, I was 16. 163 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:41,640 A mate of mine, working just tens yards from me. 164 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,520 A stone came down and took his head off, and he was only 17. 165 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,400 To survive the place, you had to be part of a team. 166 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,440 That's how you became so close to people. 167 00:12:58,440 --> 00:12:59,920 Comradeship was brilliant. 168 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,400 The fun you had and the boys you worked with, the laughs. 169 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,000 Your friends were for life, 170 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,320 and, you know, you socialized, you... 171 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,720 the wives went out, you know, you did different functions. 172 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,520 I can't explain how fantastic it was 173 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,160 living in a proper community. 174 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,040 If you didn't have no sugar, your next door didn't have no sugar. 175 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,880 And if they did, they'd half it with you. 176 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,560 You could walk into anybody's house. 177 00:13:33,560 --> 00:13:35,760 Nobody were better than anybody else. 178 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,480 All t'kids on our street... 179 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:40,920 ...they were all hungry. 180 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,320 We had as much as them next door, and next door to them. 181 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:47,800 We were all the same. 182 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,400 We just wanted to go to work, get a wage 183 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,440 and look after our communities. That's all we wanted. 184 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,160 We thought at the time that if our pit shut, 185 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,600 our communities would go, our communities wouldn't survive. 186 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,680 It was my worry. I've always been a big family man. 187 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:09,880 Still am a big family... Love me family. 188 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,560 And... immediately, you think, you know, 189 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:15,080 "How am I going to bring Nikki up? How am I going to bring Darren up?" 190 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,080 You know, "How am I going to keep the mortgage going?" 191 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:26,640 Can you imagine how we've been? 192 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,760 We've had to just keep turning on the media 193 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,640 and trying to find out if someone's going to tell us 194 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,560 what's going to happen to our lives. 195 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,760 They haven't told us anything. 196 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,920 It slowly sank in that, you know, 197 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,680 they are going to close it unless they go on strike. 198 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,880 Well, is other people going to go on strike for a small pit? 199 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,480 Um, I didn't know. 200 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,880 When Cortonwood pit was shut in South Yorkshire, 201 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:53,400 there was outrage. 202 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,520 We knew it were the start of something... 203 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,240 and we had to protect each other. 204 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,360 I remember we had a big meeting at our pit. 205 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,000 The president of our union came out, 206 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,600 and we had the union banner above the stage, 207 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,800 but it was rolled up. 208 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,160 And he just pulled it down and said... 209 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:15,320 "It's war." 210 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,880 We're fighting today to defend us jobs, 211 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:20,920 - us pits and us communities. 212 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,480 - And the place erupted. 213 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:28,560 And I felt ten feet tall and so optimistic. 214 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,680 They all voted for strike action. I think I were second to put me hand up. 215 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,360 And then, I went home that day 216 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,960 and I said to my wife, "That's it, love, we're on strike now." 217 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,960 We heard about Cortonwood shutting. 218 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,960 With a show of hands, we backed Cortonwood 100%. 219 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,600 I don't think anybody voted against it. 220 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,160 Yorkshire miners vote to go on all-out strike 221 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:52,960 from after Friday's shift, 222 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,680 and hope their walk-out will become a national one against pit closures. 223 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,200 We're honorable people, you know. 224 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,200 We made the decision to support any pit. 225 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:08,240 Cortonwood made that call, and we came out on strike on their behalf. 226 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,760 The mood in Britain's coalfields worsened today. 227 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,760 The lines could be being drawn up 228 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,880 for what might be a government confrontation with the unions. 229 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,720 "They want a fight, we'll give them a bloody fight." 230 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,760 And boy, did we give them a fight. 231 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,680 The 14,000 Scottish miners were today called 232 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,640 to join 56,000 Yorkshire miners 233 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,120 in striking from Friday night. 234 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,840 In those first few weeks of the strike, 235 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,840 if you think of the militant coalfields, like Kent 236 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,080 or South Wales or Scotland or Yorkshire or Durham, 237 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,880 yes, there was overwhelming support 238 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,360 for the action that the union was taking, 239 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,200 and there was a sense that they could repeat the success 240 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,720 of the strikes in '72 and '74. 241 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,600 Heath out! Heath out! Heath out! Heath out! 242 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:06,359 The miners' strikes of '72 and '74 were about wages. 243 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,480 It was about pay. 244 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,319 One of the things that struck me in '72 245 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:14,200 was that there was the unanimity of the strike. 246 00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:19,920 Once they came out, all the miners throughout the country came on strike. 247 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,000 And that was so important. 248 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,359 We're prepared, in this strike, to fight 'em right up bitter end. 249 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,280 I've got four kids. It's going to be hard for me. 250 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,320 But them kids, they'll not clem 251 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,800 while I've got two arms on't end of me body, don't worry about that. 252 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,840 And the impact was quick. 253 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,480 Flying pickets had closed power stations, 254 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,680 closed supply of coal to them. 255 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,320 You were beginning to get power cuts. 256 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,840 And then there was this story about how, 257 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,160 at Saltley, there was this massive amount of coke. 258 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,120 And all these lorries were coming from all over the country 259 00:17:57,120 --> 00:18:00,120 to fill up with coke and get away. 260 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:06,200 What happens then is that Arthur Scargill, a young activist, 261 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,600 he's 34, from the Yorkshire coalfield, 262 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,840 he comes down and organizes this mass picket at Saltley. 263 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:14,400 Heath out! Heath out! 264 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:18,360 Arthur Scargill had the idea that he needed to get support 265 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:21,960 from the trade union movement in Birmingham 266 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,520 in order to be more effective in picketing 267 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,520 the coke works at Saltley. 268 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,560 Dig in, lads! Dig in! 269 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,680 Very few lorry drivers were prepared to face the miners' anger, 270 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,240 and most turned back. 271 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,600 When the engineering workers arrived, the flow of lorries stopped altogether. 272 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,360 That's when the police had to put their hands up 273 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:46,720 and say, "We're done here," and they shut the gates. 274 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,520 The significance of Saltley was that 275 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,640 if you get an overwhelming number of trade unionists together, 276 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,600 the police can be defeated. That's essentially what happened there. 277 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,400 As the gates of the gasworks clanged shut at 10:45, 278 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:09,560 a great shout of triumph went up from a crowd of about 7,000 people. 279 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,760 And after that, they had to find a way to resolve the dispute, 280 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,800 so the miners really got everything they wanted. 281 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,680 And Scargill told them, 282 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,760 "You're all going to become immortal in the working class 283 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,920 because of what you've achieved at Saltley." 284 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,120 So, Saltley is a name 285 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:31,640 that is haunting the Conservative Party. 286 00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:36,840 It was a big nail in the coffin of the Tory government at the time. 287 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,600 And then, '74 finished them off. 288 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:48,800 140 miners hit the night air after their last shift before the strike. 289 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:53,760 What happened after '72 was, of course, you had the oil crisis 290 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,440 and rocketing prices and inflation. 291 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,840 So, as a result, the miners had another strike, 292 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,160 and Edward Heath, the Prime Minister, 293 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,440 was faced with the dilemma. 294 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,160 That will now be a general election on February the 28th. 295 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,640 The issue before you is a simple one. 296 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:16,080 Do you want a strong government which has clear authority for the future, 297 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,040 or do you want a government which will abandon the struggle against rising prices 298 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,920 under pressure from one particular powerful group of workers? 299 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,080 And so, Edward Heath lost, and he was out. 300 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,600 After a weekend of doubt and uncertainty, 301 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,760 Mr. Heath has handed in his resignation to the Queen. 302 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,160 At issue for him now, the death of his government 303 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,640 and what his own political future may be. 304 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,960 Heath out! Heath out! 305 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,120 It was a sweet victory for the miners. 306 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:50,320 But maybe we didn't think enough 307 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,560 about what was going to happen after that. 308 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,280 Here comes the prime ministerial Rover... 309 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,040 bearing now Mrs. Thatcher as Prime Minister. 310 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,000 A wave that we've now become really quite well-accustomed to 311 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,000 throughout this campaign. 312 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,280 When Margaret Thatcher got elected, she wanted revenge 313 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,080 for what we did to them in 1974. 314 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,560 She never wanted to see a group of workers 315 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,440 bring the Tory government down again. 316 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,480 Could I ask you, if you would tell us, 317 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,400 what sort of administration 318 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,960 you would like to have over the next five years? 319 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,600 Well, we shall be going inside 320 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,800 and we shall be getting on with that as fast as we can, 321 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,320 and we'll hope to have some... 322 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,840 You knew that she were going to come for us at some point. 323 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,760 Oh, aye, yeah, definitely. Absolutely. 324 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,600 In 1979, when Mrs. Thatcher is elected, 325 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,560 the total trade union membership is 12 million. 326 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,880 This is an enormous force. 327 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,000 Now, Mrs. Thatcher is determined 328 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,760 that she's going to break the monopoly power of the trade unions 329 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:21,560 and the monopoly power of the nationalized industries. 330 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:26,240 And, of course, the miners' union were the exemplar of that. 331 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:32,200 If you get rid of the strongest union, which was the miners, 332 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,600 then the rest will crumble. 333 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,560 I want to lead the people of this country 334 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,640 away from the quicksands of socialism. 335 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,680 - Politicians can't please everyone. 336 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,680 That would be impossible. 337 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,680 But it is our task to try to do justice to everyone. 338 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,000 What's happening in 1980, 1981, 1982, 339 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,840 Margaret Thatcher is preparing herself 340 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,560 for what she knows will inevitably be a confrontation. 341 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:08,040 She was very tactical, and she was very aware 342 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,160 of how and when the balance of forces might be right 343 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,640 in order to ensure that she could deploy 344 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,280 what were essentially the forces of the state 345 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,480 against a group of workers. 346 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,800 No-one could have predicted how far the government would go 347 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,520 to get what they wanted. 348 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,200 In January 1983, 349 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,080 there was a secret private party... 350 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,080 in the Home Office, in a backroom, 351 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:43,000 with the Home Secretary, top civil servants, top police officers, 352 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,320 to celebrate the introduction 353 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,400 of a new public order manual. 354 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:54,000 Behind the scenes, they were creating a paramilitary police force. 355 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:01,960 Britain had two very distinct styles of policing. 356 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,800 - Policing for Britain was... 357 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,040 reasonably democratic 358 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,920 and reasonably consensual. 359 00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:13,760 But Britain also had 360 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,360 a totally different policing tradition for the colonies. 361 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:20,240 It was about power and force. 362 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,800 And the key colonial police force was in Hong Kong. 363 00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:28,760 And so, police officers from Britain 364 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,760 brought in advice from the colonies 365 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:36,520 as to how to deal with public disorder in a paramilitary way 366 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:41,200 which can only alienate and repress people. 367 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,040 And that's what they used for the manual. 368 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,960 Chief officers are the only people who can see the manual. 369 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,480 Even the rank and file of the police 370 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,360 didn't know this manual existed. 371 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,920 The manual was such a fundamental shift 372 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,920 in the way that police operate 373 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,600 in relation to protests and public order 374 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,480 it should have gone to Parliament. 375 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,320 But it was done behind the scenes, completely un-democratically. 376 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,240 An abuse of the rule of law. 377 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,760 The Home Office being involved in the manual at all 378 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,520 is a breach of the operational independence of the police, 379 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,200 and that is a cornerstone of our democracy, 380 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,640 the separation of power between police and government. 381 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,440 If it was true that the Home Office and the Home Secretary 382 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,480 were involved in the manual, 383 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,120 my reckoning was that there would be files 384 00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:36,520 in the National Archive. 385 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:37,800 There were three. 386 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,200 And there was one document there which confirms 387 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,080 that the Home Secretary signed off the manual. 388 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,120 And in seeing that document... 389 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,680 ...my whole belief system crumbled. 390 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,000 Because the government lie. 391 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,880 - And there was the document to prove it. 392 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:04,120 The confrontation with the miners was all pre-planned. 393 00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:07,880 They stockpiled coal before it started, 394 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,960 and they introduced paramilitary policing. 395 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,520 They had all those things in place before they took them on. 396 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:19,920 Good evening. 397 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,960 Relations between the National Coal Board and the miners' leaders 398 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,960 deteriorated further today. 399 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,160 The board announced that they want more cuts in the amount of coal produced. 400 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,440 It could mean that another 20 pits will close in the next 12 months, 401 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,040 with a loss of about 20,000 jobs. 402 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,480 {\an8}Arthur Scargill, the miners' leader, said it was a savage attack. 403 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,520 {\an8}We will do everything in our power 404 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,520 {\an8}to stop men losing their jobs and their livelihoods. 405 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,960 They've invested their very lives in this industry. 406 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,080 Arthur Scargill, the hero of the Saltley Gate episode, 407 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:54,080 had become the president of the NUM in 1981. 408 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:56,680 He were one of us. 409 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,840 He were a fighter, and he would stick up for us 100%. 410 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,120 He used to stand, as far as we were concerned, 411 00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:08,160 head and shoulders above the rest of the trade union leaders in the country. 412 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,760 Two years ago, 413 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,840 I made a claim that the coal board had a hit-list of pits. 414 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,760 I said the board intended to close at least 70 pits 415 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,680 and to reduce manpower levels by at least 70,000. 416 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,200 We believed Scargill, we didn't believe them, 417 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:31,080 that Cortonwood would be one of 20 pits that would close. 418 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,040 "No, it's not 20 pits, it's going to be a lot more than this." 419 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,640 And-- and-- and we knew that. 420 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,840 {\an8}Well, I'm telling you that Mr. Scargill has a vivid imagination, 421 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,280 {\an8}and he comes up with these wild numbers, 422 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,680 {\an8}which he reels off at great extent. Like he says... 423 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,480 Publicly, the National Coal Board said there were 20 mines being shut. 424 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,280 But in another document released in the National Archive, it says 425 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,920 that there are 75 mines being shut, 70,000 jobs were going. 426 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,920 For us, the key was to get-- we had to get men out. 427 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:03,440 We had to get men in the meetings, we had to get men out picketing. 428 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,240 - Thanks very much for your time, lads. 429 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,840 And Scargill was confident that these rolling strikes 430 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,200 {\an8}in Yorkshire and in Scotland 431 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,840 {\an8}would spread to the rest of the country, 432 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,720 and that he would be able to pull off a repeat of what had happened 433 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,280 in 1972 and 1974. 434 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,600 What's changed, though, 435 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:27,880 is that the miners are top of the earnings league, 436 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,720 and if you go to Nottinghamshire, 437 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,320 there, the piece-work rates are the best in the country. 438 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,480 So, they were very, very reluctant to get involved in any strike action. 439 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,560 During the '70s, 440 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:47,520 if you were a coalface worker in Kent, Wales, Scotland, Yorkshire, 441 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,440 wherever you worked, you used to get the same money. 442 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,120 But because people wanted pay rises, they were introducing this scheme 443 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,200 where if you produce more coal you'll get bonuses. 444 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,080 And that explains why Nottingham, 445 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,560 where they generally worked in better conditions, relatively, 446 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,400 they benefited from it financially. 447 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,120 That eroded that sense of unity. 448 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,080 It was then we started digging our own graves. 449 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,160 The men that worked hardest were going to get the least money, 450 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,880 because they couldn't get as much coal out... 451 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,520 because they were in bad conditions. 452 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,040 In my pit, we worked seven miles out under the North Sea. 453 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,680 So, there was water, 454 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,000 there was dust. 455 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,400 The coal was hard to get, but we got it. 456 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,920 The last bonus I got was 35 quid. 457 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:51,200 In Nottingham, they were getting, like, 90 quid a day... bonus. 458 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,840 When did it become clear to you Nottinghamshire wasn't coming in? 459 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,640 Straight away. 460 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:57,960 First day. 461 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,640 Have you discussed taking industrial action? 462 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,440 No. I think it's pointless. 463 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,280 - Absolutely pointless. Why not? 464 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,480 You lose too much money, for a start. 465 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,080 I mean, if we're off work for four or five week, 466 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,560 it's going to take us way above a year to get that back. 467 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,520 All we want from Nottingham miners is their support in this fight. 468 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,080 It's all right, they're on big bonuses now, 469 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,680 they're buying 'em now. 470 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,440 When the bonus and the coal goes, what have they got left? Nothing. 471 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,240 The other big issue was that Scargill 472 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,800 had failed to give the miners a vote. 473 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,840 You see, the miners had always prided themselves 474 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,480 on having these votes 475 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,880 where the men, over their shifts, 476 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,320 all voted yes or no as to whether to take strike action. 477 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,720 But the likelihood of getting a majority 478 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,680 in a pit-head ballot 479 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,680 at the start of the strike is questionable. 480 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,520 Some would say that you're changing the rules 481 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,480 because you're worried about getting the 55% if you have a ballot. 482 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,160 It doesn't surprise me one little bit that the BBC would say that, 483 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,000 but we would reject it, and we would say that... 484 00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,800 It was a messy start, 485 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,000 because the strike was never 486 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,120 one single national strike. 487 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,800 It was always complicated. 488 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,880 It was a series of area strikes, really, 489 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,280 sort of nationally coordinated. 490 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,440 And, of course, the Notts miners used it to justify... 491 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,360 ...their wish to continue to work. 492 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,720 Well, I mean, we talked amongst ourselves 493 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,920 and everyone expected, and I talk about this a lot, 494 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,360 everyone expected a national ballot. 495 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,200 Me dad was saying, "We don't need a national ballot, 496 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,760 we're going out on strike." Well, that's not how it works, is it? 497 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,600 Democracy says we have a national ballot. 498 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,440 Once Scargill gives us a national ballot, then we'll know what we're doing. 499 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,480 People that called for t'ballot didn't support the strike. 500 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,800 The media wanted a ballot, Margaret Thatcher wanted a ballot. 501 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,960 The ballot was designed to sabotage a strike. 502 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,120 It's a good way to split people up. 503 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,280 It's divide and conquer, innit? 504 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,480 That's... Tories are good at that. 505 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,760 What we pushed for was, 506 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,720 "All right, well, let's have an area ballot in Nottinghamshire." 507 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,920 Now, that happened quite quickly. 508 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,480 Put your ballot paper in there, lad. You know which way to vote. 509 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,120 It's already known that a big majority of Nottinghamshire's 34,000 miners 510 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,640 have voted against strike action. 511 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,480 As news of the Nottinghamshire miners' resounding no to strike action 512 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,000 began to filter through, the men poured out their bitterness. 513 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,520 They all ought to have great, big yellow stripes painted down their backs. 514 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,960 Scab! Scab! Scab! 515 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,960 The picket lines, for us, were sacrosanct. 516 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,240 Even if you might have issues, 517 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,520 you would never cross a picket line. 518 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,880 I had a brother-in-law that worked at Calverton pit in Nottingham. 519 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,880 I never spoke to him again after that. 520 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,160 Once a scab, always a scab! 521 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,280 If you're a scab, you're a scab. 522 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,800 People have said to me in the past, "That's an awful word, that, 523 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,760 and don't you sort of forgive and forget?" 524 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,120 But, no, when you stab your mates in the back, 525 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,360 and that's exactly what happened there, 526 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,960 you stab your mates in the back, you should never be forgiven. 527 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,680 Now, we're trying new methods this morning. 528 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,840 As you know, we're setting off a little bit later, 529 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,440 and I want... 530 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,160 But there was a conviction that it would be possible 531 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,760 to picket the Nottinghamshire coalfield. 532 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,920 Try and get to the pits 533 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,680 and ask us members to come out and support us. 534 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,880 Within a day or two, we were down in Nottingham. 535 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,000 We had no choice. If we wanted a future, we had to fight now. 536 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,040 It's not far up here. I'm sure it's up here. 537 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,520 The pit I was sent out to was Creswell. 538 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,520 No doubt there were some tussles that went off early doors, 539 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,440 but by and large they were amazingly peaceful. 540 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,160 We're asking you not to cross this picket line. 541 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,520 Hundreds and hundreds of miners listening to the arguments, 542 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,080 and we were really successful. 543 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,720 They were listening to us, and they were coming out on strike. 544 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,600 As far as I'm concerned, 545 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,719 you didn't scab, you didn't cross a picket line. 546 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,360 I says, "I'll turn me car round," 547 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,920 and I never, ever went back to work till the strike... 548 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,159 till the strike was over. 549 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:23,239 We're-- What we're asking is that you don't cut any coal today or what, 550 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,239 or while the strike's on. 551 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,480 Of course, it wasn't long before Thatcher wanted to know why... 552 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,639 the police weren't there. 553 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,360 In mid-March, Thatcher met with her cabinet, 554 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,639 and she expressed to the cabinet, in her view, 555 00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:43,280 that the police were not carrying out their duties fully. 556 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,679 Miners were being able to travel across the country 557 00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:48,960 and stop people going to work. 558 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,280 Margaret Thatcher pushes her cabinet for more involvement, 559 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,159 while, all the while, saying, "We're not involved." 560 00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:57,000 Mr. President, 561 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,280 we are not going to intervene in the coal dispute. 562 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,120 Categorically not the case. 563 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,480 She drove the strike. She was involved in every detail. 564 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:15,240 The initials in her blue pen all over documents confirm that. 565 00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:17,160 The reason Nottingham was so important 566 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:22,040 is identified in a document which is for Thatcher's office only. 567 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,880 They identify that if they can keep them running, 568 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,480 they will be able to increase the endurance of the strike. 569 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,240 And this is the reason 570 00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:32,840 the police operation in Nottingham is so important. 571 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,200 Quick, march! 572 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,680 And there it is, on week two of the strike. 573 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,240 In her warning to the chief constables, 574 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:41,880 she's saying the chief constables have got to stiffen their resolve. 575 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,960 They've got to stop the preventing of people going to work. 576 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,240 We're going to be firm about maintaining the law. 577 00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:49,560 We won't tolerate... 578 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,880 violence, or intimidation, or any serious breaches of the law. 579 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:57,520 The Home Secretary also sent a telex to all chief constables, 580 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:02,960 and said, "Do not let money influence your operations. 581 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,960 You have the full support of the Home Secretary, whatever you do." 582 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,120 So, that's another breach of this separation of power 583 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,320 between police and government. 584 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,000 The Home Office refuses to reveal 585 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,040 how much all this is costing nationally. 586 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,200 The running total must be around the 20 million mark. 587 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,800 And so, over the course of the strike, 588 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,560 80,000 police officers, 589 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,960 that's three-quarters of England and Welsh police, 590 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,640 went to Nottingham. 591 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,360 The police appear very anxious not to let anyone know 592 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,920 the exact scale of the operation that they're mounting in Nottinghamshire. 593 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,280 But they have men billeted at army camps, 594 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,760 and they keep the press and journalists away. 595 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,400 I've never seen anything like it. 596 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:48,880 They were just all over the place. 597 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,200 The police presence is unwarranted and unprecedented, 598 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,720 and it's almost tantamount to a paramilitary state. 599 00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:57,120 We're not letting you through here. 600 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,760 - You're not letting us through? - No, not letting you through. 601 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,040 - Why can't we got through? - So, turn your vehicle round now. 602 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,960 Since the 18th of March, 603 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,960 the police have been stopping cars which they think contain pickets 604 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,920 and threatening them with arrest if they go any further. 605 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,560 If you refuse to turn it around, you'll be arrested 606 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,160 because I'm likely to suspect there'll be a breach of the peace caused. 607 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,200 But why can't we go in to our work? 608 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,840 Because I believe if you go there, 609 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,840 then a breach of the peace is likely to occur. OK? 610 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,520 I remember we got pulled in a police roadblock. 611 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,600 "Well, we're not turning the car round," I says. 612 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,280 So, then, they smashed every window out of the car. 613 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:34,680 And we were arrested. 614 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,120 I was locked up there three days. 615 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,200 This happens in Northern Ireland. 616 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,560 This happens in South Africa, not here. 617 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:48,760 But it were happening here. 618 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,080 {\an8}I accept that what we are doing is stopping people on the road. 619 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,600 {\an8}And we are, if you want to look at it in total isolation, 620 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,480 {\an8}an infringement of civil liberties. 621 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,360 But let's look at what we are trying to do. 622 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,200 We are trying to stop large numbers of people 623 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,480 who are trying to infringe other people's civil liberties. 624 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,000 They started stopping us at the Dartford Tunnel. 625 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,760 We were stopped from leaving Kent. 626 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,520 Travesty, really. That was against the law. 627 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,560 Yeah, but it's also a police responsibility. 628 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,120 So, the strategy for this, 629 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,960 as you've termed it, the ring of steel, 630 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,680 was to prevent flying pickets 631 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,160 interrupting those who wanted to go back to work. 632 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:37,520 It is anticipated that large numbers will be congregating to a colliery 633 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,720 somewhere in our division. 634 00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:43,720 I got an old map out. It were that old, there were no motorways on it. 635 00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:46,320 Anyway, we went through farmer's fields, dirt tracks, 636 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,280 and we finally got through to a Nottinghamshire pit. 637 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,080 But then, the cops turn up, mob-handed, 638 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,640 and that's when the violence starts. 639 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,800 I think it totally and utterly false 640 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,160 to cast a slur on the police 641 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,320 for the superb way in which they have handled this dispute. 642 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,760 The situation was well-managed by the police, 643 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,320 so, whilst it wasn't nice walking past people, 644 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,120 I never felt any sort of danger. 645 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,560 - Judas! - Blackleg! 646 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,040 There were some you could have a bit of a banter with, 647 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,560 some of them weren't bad, but... 648 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,800 if an inspector says, "Go in there and rough 'em up," they'd do it. 649 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,600 I want no trouble. Any trouble whatsoever will be dealt with. 650 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,400 No trouble. None at all. 651 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,720 This county is being turned into a paramilitary state, 652 00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:42,600 and my advice to every Nottinghamshire miner 653 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,080 is to come out on strike, and stop standing on the sidelines, 654 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,320 witnessing brutality against our miners. 655 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:56,240 At the end of the day, it was obvious Nottingham wasnae coming out. 656 00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:59,160 It was now coming into the summer. 657 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,280 There wurnae going to be power cuts. 658 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,840 And we had to think, "How are we going to win this?" 659 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,280 And for us... it was going to be steel. 660 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:16,200 That's the moment when there's a change of gear by Arthur Scargill. 661 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,160 He believes that the tactic should be 662 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,240 to concentrate on key places like Orgreave. 663 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,520 Orgreave's significance is that it is 664 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,800 essential in the supply chain to keep the Scunthorpe steelworks going. 665 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,080 The coke is made from coal at Orgreave 666 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,120 and then transported to Scunthorpe. 667 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:43,280 Break that chain, and you could cause the government great difficulty. 668 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,600 And Scargill is confident that he's going to be able to pull off 669 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,160 another symbolic victory, 670 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,880 as he did in 1972, at the Saltley Gates in Birmingham. 671 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:58,200 I would love to see every single member of my union who's here, 672 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,560 every single member who's on strike 673 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,760 and every trade unionist who's here supporting us, 674 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,280 - down at the Orgreave coking plant. 675 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,840 Thatcher certainly knew that. 676 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,840 She is worried, and it's throughout the government papers. 677 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,840 They're constantly mentioning Saltley Gate. 678 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,960 "We can't have the miners 679 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,360 and Arthur Scargill looking like they're winning, 680 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,360 because if they look like they're winning, 681 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,680 then maybe they can bring down the government again." 682 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:31,200 We're immensely grateful to you for what you do. Immensely grateful. 683 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,520 We started going to Orgreave from beginning of May, 684 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,080 and there were, like, four police and six of us. 685 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,160 The next day, there'd be 200 of us. 686 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,680 And then it went on and on until there were thousands of us... 687 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,400 and thousands of police. 688 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,800 Worst confrontation than ever broke out today on the picket line. 689 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,080 Pickets were met by one of the largest police presences of the dispute. 690 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,040 But there were scuffles as the miners tried to break police lines. 691 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,320 By the time we get to June the 5th, 692 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,720 that's when you see a cabinet document 693 00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:14,320 talking about the importance of the week beginning June the 18th. 694 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,280 That there must be this well-executed plan 695 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,520 to shift 8,000 tonnes of coal 696 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,680 from Orgreave to Scunthorpe. 697 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,480 But whatever happens, we must not allow 698 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,680 Arthur Scargill to claim victory. 699 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,920 Sunday night, 17th of June 1984. 700 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,720 We went to a meeting at Silverwood Miners Welfare, about 7:00, 701 00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:45,000 for the next day's picketing orders. 702 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,000 Our NUM president said to us all, 703 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,520 2,000 miners from South Yorkshire collieries 704 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,240 had been picked for the next morning's destination. 705 00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:58,440 Orgreave. 706 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,480 They wanted everybody at Orgreave. 707 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,720 From all over the country - Scotland, Wales. 708 00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:09,160 They were going to be there from everywhere. 709 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,360 So, we just get up in the morning, 710 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,480 and everybody just set off from there. 711 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,080 I was 19. It was just a jolly. 712 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,200 Just go doon for a jolly. 713 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,040 Na-na-na. You've got your ten cigarettes 714 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,440 and your couple of cans of lager for the bus. 715 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,960 Get doon there. 716 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,080 It's a summer's morning, lovely day. 717 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:47,200 We arrived, bus-loads, from all areas of Scotland, 718 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,800 Wales, Kent, you name it. 719 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:56,280 Only ably assisted by the police, which was a bit naive, I suppose. 720 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,520 They were waving us through. 721 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,520 We were actually waving back to them. 722 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,280 You know, how... 723 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,160 Yeah, definitely naive. 724 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:06,960 Remember, back just a few weeks earlier, 725 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,000 they were stopping us in the middle of the Stepps Road. 726 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,080 You know, all the Yorkshire boys that were stopped every day trying to go and picket. 727 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,800 Here, it was, "Down you go, into that field there." 728 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,640 Valet parking. 729 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,160 "This way, sir, to your slaughter." 730 00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:28,280 That was the biggest crowd I'd seen ever, 731 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,040 at a picket line, ever that day, 732 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,360 and you could tell something's, something, something's in the air, know what I mean? 733 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,720 You're walking past the police, lay in the grass. 734 00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:40,440 Bit hungover 'cause you've had a drink. 735 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,680 Laying on the grass, lovely atmosphere. 736 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,160 There was games of football, kickabouts going on. 737 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,800 There was games of cricket, I always remember seeing guys playing cricket. 738 00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,480 And as you walked down through this, 739 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:00,960 you felt... 740 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,640 ...quite... 741 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:04,800 safe. 742 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,040 I was excited. 743 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,440 When you walked down there, it were like, "Wow." 744 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,040 You didn't realize how many... There were thousands. 745 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:18,920 So, it were like, 746 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,240 "Ah, it's going to be a good day, a good day." 747 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,800 But obviously, it didn't turn out a good day. 748 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,120 We parked at the top of the hill, 749 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,760 and we walked over there, like. 750 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,760 And my mate stopped in his tracks. He says, "Look at that." 751 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,640 From a distance, I really couldn't... 752 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,240 get my head round what it was I was looking at. 753 00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:45,880 It was just a black wall. 754 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,720 The chatter was, "That's the police." 755 00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:51,320 I says, "Nah." 756 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,800 I says, "There's not that many police in the UK. That's impossible." 757 00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,280 And they were motionless, 758 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,600 not making... that much sound. 759 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,000 You had this aura. 760 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,880 Like, it was too quiet, far too quiet. 761 00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:19,040 That's it. Go that way, lads. Don't let pressure off. 762 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,760 - That way. - Go that way. 763 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,160 Arthur Scargill were up on the top of the bank there, 764 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,480 top of the dell there, shouting, "Make your way down to the front." 765 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,520 - Come on! 766 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,000 Let's give 'em a hand. Come on! 767 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,320 I went straight to the front. 768 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,880 I wanted to be where the action is. 769 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,280 I was young and impetuous, or... 770 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,320 I wouldn't be at the front now, by the way. 771 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,720 But I was young, and I was... 772 00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:46,960 I was young, and I've always believed the working class could... 773 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,960 ...rise up against the system. 774 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,520 And this was the system trying to suppress us. 775 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,040 And I thought, "We can do something about this here." 776 00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,720 You know, united, we're all together. 777 00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:03,360 But bearing in mind, they had the state behind them. 778 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,160 We just had goodwill and faith of good comrades behind us. 779 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,680 Pair of shorts and a T-shirt... 780 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:10,880 and do your best. 781 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,080 Miners coming now, start to fill up. 782 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,400 Couple of idiots on the one side, throwing stones. 783 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,360 And the stones are landing on the miners more than the police. 784 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,440 Boys are shouting back, "Stop throwing stones, you donkeys!" 785 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,680 We had no protection. We were just in our normal uniform. 786 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,480 But they were hitting these guys, these Scottish guys in front of us. 787 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,320 And they were going crazy, these guys. They were turning round and going, 788 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,520 "Will you stop it," you know. They didn't want that, I don't think. 789 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,960 And then the decision was made 790 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,400 to put another row of officers in front of us. 791 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,760 Break for shield unit, please. Break for shield unit. 792 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,800 All of a sudden, we see this line 793 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,200 of police marching up, with shields. 794 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:02,800 And they form a line. 795 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,080 That were a laugh, weren't it? 796 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,680 This is a police line unlike I'd ever seen anything before. 797 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,840 Fuckin' hell, havin' a laugh. 798 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,080 It was like something out of, you know, Gladiator, 799 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,640 or some Roman film. 800 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,600 It was just beyond belief. 801 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,760 You're a disgrace! Get back! 802 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,360 I don't think any of us realized what we were heading to. 803 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,680 Next thing then, you could hear a noise now, 804 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,680 on the one side, left-hand side. 805 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,480 It was the wagons coming. 806 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,280 So we all gathered towards the police line, 807 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,760 a big thick block of miners, start pushing. 808 00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,760 There was always a traditional push and pull, 809 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,800 where we pushed the police, and they pushed us back. 810 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,200 It was like some sort of dance. 811 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,760 But this was obviously on a different scale. 812 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,600 Bearing in mind I've been on a few picket lines, 813 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,480 I've been to football matches where the pressure comes on. 814 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,000 I've never experienced pressure like it. 815 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,680 Unbelievable. Scary. 816 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,560 You're thinking, "This could be my last day here." 817 00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:35,480 Everybody was quiet at the front. 818 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,440 There's no shouting. 819 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,480 Because you could hardly breathe. 820 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,360 The pressure was that great from the push from both sides. 821 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,800 I've never, ever experienced anything like that. 822 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,280 You could not get a breath. 823 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,240 You couldn't move your arms, your feet were off the floor. 824 00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:59,200 I remember this guy in front of me, 825 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,040 and he was purple. 826 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,120 And then, we heard... 827 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,320 ...the faint crackling from... 828 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,120 the loudhailer. 829 00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:18,320 The loudhailer gave instruction to break rank, open up. 830 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,720 {\an8}Then the horses came through. 831 00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:23,520 Horses, Frank. Frank! 832 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:32,560 Everybody runs. There's people lost their shoes and people falling. 833 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,240 But we just bolted back out of there and away up the back. 834 00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:37,640 Fucking hell! 835 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,800 It were frightening. They were running over you if they got the chance. 836 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,960 "What on earth is going on?" 837 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,880 Now, how many people had been in that field when they charged initially? 838 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:51,040 Hundreds. Doing nothing. Absolutely nothing. 839 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,560 Horses went back in, they closed up the ranks, 840 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,960 and everybody re-gathered and went back down. 841 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,840 Right! Right! 842 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,240 But once they did that first time, everybody's back were up. 843 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,720 I think we had absolutely no option but to defend ourselves. 844 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,520 There was an awful lot of stuff coming over then. 845 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,560 And these guys carrying long shields 846 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,200 could only protect themselves 847 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,040 and us, who were directly behind them. 848 00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,880 Once you were two or three rows back, 849 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,080 obviously, the missiles come over, 850 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:45,120 and they're hitting people who are in ordinary uniform. 851 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,200 It became a bit chaotic. 852 00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,000 And there was this feeling of... 853 00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,640 "This is really going to go off." 854 00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,160 Then it happened again. 855 00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,720 Horses, Frank. To your right, to your right! 856 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,760 And the police were all banging their truncheons on their shields 857 00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,480 and clapping and cheering as the horses went back. 858 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:27,440 I cheered. 859 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,840 You know, it wasn't a question of someone said, "Shall we cheer?" 860 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,120 I made the personal decision, you know, 861 00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,840 and I can actually remember saying, you know, 862 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,400 "Thank F for that." 863 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:43,440 The first escalation, as far as I'm concerned, was the missiles. 864 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,320 And that's bloody dangerous. 865 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:51,400 We were only returning what we received. 866 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,320 They sent snatch squads in. 867 00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,640 Wee guys with wee round shields and batons. 868 00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,000 Take cover! 869 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,320 I heard somebody saying, "Bodies not heads." 870 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,720 And then, they just lost control. 871 00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:23,600 {\an8}Your first instinct is get away. Get away. 872 00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,760 I just ran up the field. 873 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,440 Behind me, I could hear, "Whoom, whoom." 874 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,320 It's just folk getting the shit kicked out of them. 875 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,680 Getting whacked wi' wooden batons, you name it. 876 00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,160 Split skulls. 877 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,480 Just... brutalized. 878 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:51,400 Come on, get up. Get up, get up! Get up, you cunt. 879 00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:56,160 I can't fucking get-- I can't. Fucking hell! 880 00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:00,200 You could see guys getting pulverized with the truncheons 881 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,640 and then dragged back into the police lines. 882 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,920 I thought, "Nah, I don't accept this." 883 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,760 If somebody's going to punch you, what are you going to do? Say thank you? 884 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,000 I'll hit you back if I can. 885 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,640 Yeah, there were... People were... It were chaos. 886 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,000 - No mercy. 887 00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,240 I was stood in the woods. I wasn't doing a thing. 888 00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:28,040 Next thing, somebody hit me from behind. I goes down. 889 00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,480 I can remember grabbing my hat. 890 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,320 Next thing, I feel truncheon on my back and my head. 891 00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,280 Oh! I was squirming, I was squealing. 892 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,720 They drag me back towards the police line. 893 00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:41,440 They fling me to the floor, 894 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,520 punching up at me, kneeing me in the face, 895 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,880 kneeing me in my st-- in my stomach. I'm screaming now. 896 00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:48,880 Until they get to the police van. 897 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:52,400 Oh, it was frightening. 898 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,840 They changed the rules completely. 899 00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:11,320 It was never about pushing and shoving. It was about them beating you up. 900 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,880 You ought to get in there and get them. 901 00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,680 Go over there, film them there. Get in there and see what they're doing. 902 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:22,640 We were there in our t-shirts and jeans. 903 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,440 They were there in full riot gear. Horses, dogs, the lot. 904 00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,840 And then they were given carte blanche to do anything they wanted. 905 00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:31,480 It was very, very scary. 906 00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,440 In fact, it was terrifying. 907 00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,000 It was a scary old day, that. 908 00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:40,000 Orgreave. 909 00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,440 Just thinking about it. 910 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,520 We seen a lot of-- lot of bad things happen that day. 911 00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,240 We were never going to win that day. 912 00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:55,440 It was set in stone that day that we were beat. 913 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,640 So, who did that, then? How's this happen? 914 00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,640 Truncheon. Truncheon. 915 00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,440 Look at that. Look at that. 916 00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,480 - Truncheon. - Minding me own business, that, mate. 917 00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,840 First day on picket line, is this, for this lad. 918 00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,680 And that's what he gets. 919 00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,000 People were brutally beaten. 920 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,320 For the first time in this country, 921 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,600 you saw the use of the short shield and the baton, 922 00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,440 all straight out the manual. 923 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,160 And in the manual it says, 924 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:28,920 "You have the right to incapacitate people just for being present." 925 00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,360 They have, also, it seems, gone beyond the manual... 926 00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:37,200 and applied their own interpretation. 927 00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,720 Horses are meant to go a certain distance, stop, come back. 928 00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:45,440 It says 30 yards, it looks a lot further than that. 929 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:50,880 And dogs were only meant to be used within a perimeter... 930 00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,000 but they used them to contain people. 931 00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,800 What Thatcher had there was a vast number of police officers 932 00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:04,200 with different powers that have been un-democratically given to them. 933 00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,120 Most of the violence happened at the top end, 934 00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:11,800 and we were at the bottom end. 935 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,280 We were penned in at the bottom end. 936 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,320 We were sent to the back of Orgreave. There was another entrance to Orgreave. 937 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:22,960 There was a huge field there. 938 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,240 We just, you know, congregated in there. 939 00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,280 There must've been a couple of thousand of us. 940 00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,400 Suddenly, the gates open further up the road... 941 00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,440 {\an8}and the coke trucks started coming out. 942 00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,160 {\an8}So, we started to heave. 943 00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,840 The ultimate aim was to... 944 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,000 shove ourselves, along with the police, 945 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,280 but shove ourselves out into the road to stop 'em. 946 00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,680 All the media were up the top end as well, 947 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,800 so I don't think much of this were ever caught on camera. 948 00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,320 And a few scuffles broke out, and the next thing I knew, 949 00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,600 I was sort of being dragged along the floor, 950 00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,600 and somebody got a handful of hair. 951 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,440 One had me in a really serious headlock. 952 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,160 I found it bloody difficult. I was quite frightened, actually. 953 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,400 More... Not about the situation, 954 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,720 more about getting a bit more breath, you know. 955 00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,360 I got a push in the back... 956 00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,760 into the police's arms, and then I were arrested, like. 957 00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,160 And we were handcuffed... into the bus. 958 00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,880 The object obviously was to blockade the coke plant, 959 00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,720 but you managed to get the convoy through. 960 00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,120 Yes. We've said right from the start, 961 00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,880 {\an8}we are not going to sort of back down to this sort of violence. 962 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:41,000 {\an8}The people bringing in the coke lorries are working lawfully. 963 00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,520 They've told us that they want to continue to work lawfully, 964 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,200 and we've said that they will continue to work lawfully. 965 00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,240 These people are really wasting their time. 966 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,560 They have tried, time and time again, to break through the lines, 967 00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,360 and they've been repulsed every time. 968 00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,720 And that is what's going to continue to happen. 969 00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,000 They just kept coming across that field 970 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,280 and then forcing people further up. 971 00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,720 Right, short shield units, please. Forwards this way. 972 00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:25,040 Then the whistle blew. Back into the battle. 973 00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,000 The scariest thing I've ever been to in my life. 974 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,760 Police line just opened up like that. 975 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,680 Three or four policemen dived out, grabbed me. 976 00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:49,000 And I'm dragged through the lines and just put in the back of a van. 977 00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:50,960 Handcuffed. 978 00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,680 The back door of the van opened, and... 979 00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,360 there's a policeman wi' a cut eye... 980 00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,960 standing beside another bloke, 981 01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,560 and he pointed at me and said, 982 01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,960 "That's the guy for you." 983 01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,280 So he was basically saying, I'm getting done... 984 01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,600 for what had happened to this bloke, eh? 985 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,120 Police lines, with each charge, 986 01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,640 moved up and gained ground and condensed us. 987 01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,560 It was a big field... 988 01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,920 but they made it smaller and smaller and smaller. 989 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,920 They were tooled-up to the hilt. 990 01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,440 Horses charging into you, 991 01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,920 being made to run across railway lines that are live, you know? 992 01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,440 It were either go down there or get run over by a horse. 993 01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,400 Hundreds of miners just went straight down the bankings, out of the way. 994 01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:49,560 No hesitating. 995 01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,160 I just managed to get over the bridge. 996 01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,760 I heard one police officer shout, 997 01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,280 "Get that big bastard there with white shirt on." 998 01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,360 I were marched down t'hill. 999 01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,400 The police line was still there with long shields. 1000 01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,280 And then, it were like a free-for-all for them. 1001 01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:12,840 They were... 1002 01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:15,840 punching... punching me... 1003 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:18,760 kicking me, kneeing me. 1004 01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,080 They had absolute permission 1005 01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,960 to do whatever they wanted that morning. 1006 01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,920 And how there wurnae some miners killed... 1007 01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:42,360 I've no idea. 1008 01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,360 They didn't give a shit. They really didn't give a shit that afternoon. 1009 01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,360 At a certain point, part of the day, 1010 01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,200 it started getting really scary. 1011 01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,120 And I were thinking, "Whoa, this is getting out of hand." 1012 01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,440 I really didn't have time to think. 1013 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,240 We were just running. 1014 01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,040 Into alleyways, through back gardens, 1015 01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,040 hiding in sheds, hiding wherever you could. 1016 01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,640 You felt like you were being hunted at times, you know? 1017 01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:28,920 We were near the car park, 1018 01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:32,160 and I were stood at the side of the car with my hand on the bonnet, 1019 01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,920 and I went to show t'police I wasn't doing anything. 1020 01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,960 And that's when t'police hit me with his shield, 1021 01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,040 knocked me on top of the car, 1022 01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,200 then just started hitting me with truncheon. 1023 01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,160 Then handcuffed me hand to me leg, 1024 01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,520 dragged me through the police ranks, 1025 01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,040 smashed me face into a shield... 1026 01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,760 then they opened open up and dragged me through. 1027 01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,520 They got this pretty blonde-haired girl there. 1028 01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,880 Looked at me, she says, "Ooh, you do look a mess. 1029 01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:06,720 Let me wipe your face, you'll feel better. 1030 01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,680 You know, it's a bit hot out there." 1031 01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:10,560 I said, "No, I'm all right, duck, thank you." 1032 01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:13,280 She wanted to clean me up 1033 01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,440 to have me photo took with these two arresting officers, 1034 01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,040 make you look presentable. 1035 01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:20,640 And then... 1036 01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,360 I were charged there, with... unlawful assembly. 1037 01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:28,960 The police said, "Anybody that's caught round here 1038 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:30,720 after half an hour will be arrested." 1039 01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,680 So, we just all got on the buses 1040 01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:35,840 and headed back up north and home. 1041 01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:38,960 I can remember getting back to my car, then... 1042 01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,160 I suddenly realized I was alone. 1043 01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,280 Three of my comrades were still in that field. 1044 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,400 And I froze. I... 1045 01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,560 Lucky for me, they come running down the road... 1046 01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,920 five minutes later, just jumped in the car, 1047 01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,520 and... we drove off. 1048 01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:09,080 And I don't think any of us said a word driving back. 1049 01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,600 At this point, there was a change in me. 1050 01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,760 There was a change, I dare say, in thousands of guys. 1051 01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,800 You see that? Treat violence with violence. 1052 01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:39,680 It became about retaliating... 1053 01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:41,960 and protecting ourselves. 1054 01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,320 Picking up whatever you could get hands on. 1055 01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:53,280 Was I able to inflict any damage? No, I couldn't. 1056 01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:56,760 Tried my damnedest. 1057 01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:59,040 Because I'd lost the plot. 1058 01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,680 You didn't recognize yourself... in that moment. 1059 01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,760 Growing up, you didn't attack the police. It was unthinkable. 1060 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,680 But then, the police didn't attack the people. 1061 01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:17,520 People say, "You did this and you did that, during the strike." 1062 01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,560 I said, "Well, I can look me son in the eye 1063 01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,760 and say, 'Son, I fought as hard as I could 1064 01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:24,480 for a job and a future for you.'" 1065 01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:29,280 'Cause it was never about wages, it was about jobs. 1066 01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,160 I was fighting for... 1067 01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,600 your sons, your daughters, a future. 1068 01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,880 We just wanted our communities. 1069 01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,960 We just wanted our miners welfares, that's all we wanted. 1070 01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:41,400 Didnae want anything else. 1071 01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,880 We were now into the afternoon, 1072 01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:48,640 and the word came that they'd proved their point, 1073 01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,360 made a number of arrests, 1074 01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,600 the lorries had come and gone, 1075 01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,320 and now it was time to go home. 1076 01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:01,080 And I looked, and I seen one of my mates talking to the media. 1077 01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,200 We deplore the people that's throwing the bricks. 1078 01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,160 We deplore them, 'cause they're no' miners. 1079 01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:08,800 They're only agitators. 1080 01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:12,040 I says, "Come on, George." I said, "Of course it's miners... 1081 01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,040 but it was in retaliation." 1082 01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,200 I must have been mid-rant... 1083 01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,040 when two cops moved round behind me. 1084 01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,960 And there was just two words spoken. "Take him." 1085 01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,800 The miracle is that no-one has been killed here today, 1086 01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,240 either by being trampled on in the surges 1087 01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,440 or struck by some of these enormous bricks that have been thrown. 1088 01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,560 Half-house-bricks and that sort of thing. 1089 01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:46,320 Uh, you obviously saw the barrage coming over, 1090 01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,960 and the shields were taking the full weight of those things. 1091 01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:50,760 Without those shields being there, 1092 01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,960 there would have been a lot of policemen in hospital. 1093 01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,720 We were told, right, those who've arrested people 1094 01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,440 need to go to this area 1095 01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,960 this particular building, which was sort of like a school building. 1096 01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:10,120 - There was desks, I think, from memory. 1097 01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:13,360 We started, yeah, writing our statement... 1098 01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,960 and then, a person came in... 1099 01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:22,040 who was introduced as a senior officer from South Yorkshire Police, 1100 01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:25,360 and he said, you know, "Stop writing." 1101 01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,960 And he said, "Right, this is an instruction. 1102 01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:32,320 All statements must contain this paragraph, or two paragraphs." 1103 01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:34,520 A few of us actually sort of stood up and said, 1104 01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:37,040 "Well, no, that's not how statements are done." 1105 01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:41,560 Very vehemently, this person said, "No, this isn't a request." 1106 01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:43,280 You know, "This is an instruction." 1107 01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,720 We were being ordered to do that. 1108 01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,880 The details of the paragraphs were effectively the offense of riot. 1109 01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:57,680 The person I arrested wasn't, in that sense, violent towards me. 1110 01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,480 He was just ignoring and determined to ignore what I said. 1111 01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,400 I've never seen what happened to my statement. 1112 01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,200 Not since I wrote it. 1113 01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:10,560 Would you like to? 1114 01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,000 - Yeah. Is it handwritten? It's typed up. 1115 01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:20,760 Yeah, no, this is... 1116 01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,840 I don't recognize... a lot of this. 1117 01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,080 Um... 1118 01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,359 It says I told the person I'd arrested him for threatening behavior. 1119 01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:33,680 It wasn't. It was... obstruction. 1120 01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:44,479 We ended up driving off to the main police station at Rotherham. 1121 01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,640 We were all hoicked out of this place and went to... 1122 01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:51,080 We were put in this... initially, a huge room. 1123 01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,240 Oh, there were miners in a mess. 1124 01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:54,840 - It were... 1125 01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:58,399 Been hit wi' truncheons, their heads were like... blood all over 'em. 1126 01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,000 People were shouting, "He needs a doctor, him." 1127 01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:06,479 "Yeah, we'll get one sorted," and... They weren't bothered. 1128 01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:09,479 Treated you like animals. 1129 01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:13,680 We were told then that... 1130 01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:18,439 there was a solicitor making her way to us there from London. 1131 01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:25,200 I was taken straight to Rotherham police station... 1132 01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:28,200 anticipating a few arrests. 1133 01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:33,040 But there were, in fact, 95 men arrested. 1134 01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:36,680 The cells were packed, 1135 01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,640 and there was blood, there was vomit, 1136 01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:41,680 there was... 1137 01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,359 ...rampant fear. 1138 01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:51,560 Just seemed to be in there forever, eh? 1139 01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:56,840 It was night-time afore we got put in front of the beaks, eh? 1140 01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:02,240 Throughout the day, we could hear this screaming and moaning. 1141 01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:04,800 And as we came out of the cell, 1142 01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:06,720 we could see in the other cells then. 1143 01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,120 You know, the blood and sweat 1144 01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:11,680 and urine and snot and whatever. 1145 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,840 So, we knew some of the lads had been beaten up. 1146 01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,080 Initially, police had been told 1147 01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:22,560 this was an unlawful assembly charge, 1148 01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:28,720 but it upped to riot for about 25. 1149 01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,000 And then, much later on, 1150 01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,960 another 25 or so were charged with riot. 1151 01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:39,920 There's one set of papers which show that, 1152 01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,720 on the 30th of May, a government representative 1153 01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:46,840 called Peter Wright to discuss more serious charges. 1154 01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:48,680 So, again, there's questions over 1155 01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:52,880 how much the government influenced Wright's decision 1156 01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,400 on what charges to apply. 1157 01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:57,320 {\an8}We've not charged riot lightly. 1158 01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:59,800 {\an8}We've looked at the nature of the events that took place, 1159 01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,000 {\an8}and we've measured them and we've... 1160 01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,160 {\an8}discussed them with the county prosecuting solicitor, 1161 01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,800 and they can only be at a level of riot. 1162 01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:08,840 We've never charged riot before. 1163 01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:12,080 And Peter Wright, along with his colleagues, 1164 01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,000 decided that it was more appropriate to charge for riot... 1165 01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:18,160 ...which attracted a life sentence. 1166 01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:20,960 That, I've got to say... 1167 01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,440 put the fear of Christ up me, it really, really did. 1168 01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,440 There's been the worst violence so far 1169 01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:36,360 at the Orgreave coking plant near Sheffield. 1170 01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:39,840 5,000 pickets clashed with police in a pitched battle. 1171 01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:43,440 It was the worst violence yet seen outside the Orgreave coke plant, 1172 01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:45,320 and the plan to blockade the works 1173 01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:47,800 had obviously been carefully orchestrated on a national scale 1174 01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:49,400 by the mineworkers union. 1175 01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,200 I mean, the worst thing that happened after it 1176 01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:53,680 was watching it on the news, 1177 01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:58,280 and then realizing, "Oh, Christ, the bloody BBC. This isnae how it went." 1178 01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:00,960 The violence began as the lorries entered the plant. 1179 01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:05,360 A barrage of stones and other missiles fell into the lines of police. 1180 01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:07,160 Police on horseback were sent in 1181 01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:10,880 in an effort to disperse the fighting miners. 1182 01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:15,200 I remember going home and watching the news 1183 01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:17,760 thinking, "What?! 1184 01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:19,400 You bastards!" 1185 01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:21,600 The violence reached a new peak, 1186 01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,680 as miners surged forwards against the riot shields. 1187 01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:28,960 Policemen fought with truncheons under a barrage of stones and missiles. 1188 01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:32,040 By mid-morning, the picketing had turned to rioting. 1189 01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:35,480 More riot squads were needed as reinforcements in the front line 1190 01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:36,800 as the pressure increased. 1191 01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:42,200 It were always, like, us bully-boys on the poor old cops, 1192 01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:43,920 and the cops responding. 1193 01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,880 Eventually, senior officers ordered in the mounted police 1194 01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,840 to disperse the miners. 1195 01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:52,120 The facts of the matter, undisputed, 1196 01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:56,080 are that the police charged against the miners. 1197 01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:01,400 It wasn't the miners throwing bricks and stones at the police. 1198 01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:03,640 The police charged. 1199 01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,200 The police became involved 1200 01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:07,440 in some of the most vicious hand-to-hand fighting 1201 01:13:07,440 --> 01:13:09,800 of the entire miners' dispute. 1202 01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,560 The attacks on individual policemen were horrific. 1203 01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:16,000 The police commanders said it was a marvel that no-one was killed. 1204 01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,680 It was really very galling, to say the least. 1205 01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,400 To get a complete doing, and then getting the blame for the violence, 1206 01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:24,480 when it was the police that had started it. 1207 01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:27,600 That was just... shocking. 1208 01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:45,080 Mrs. Thatcher, one of her ugliest phrases, I think 1209 01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:49,360 was to describe the miners as "the enemy within." 1210 01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:52,560 The violence and intimidation we have seen 1211 01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,400 should never have happened. 1212 01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,600 It is the work of extremists. 1213 01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,640 It is the enemy within. 1214 01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,800 The Prime Minister... 1215 01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,720 saw the miners' strike 1216 01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,720 in roughly the same way that she had seen 1217 01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:08,840 the invasion of the Falklands. 1218 01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:12,080 An attack on Britain. 1219 01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,600 {\an8}Britain is not prepared to be pushed around. 1220 01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:20,160 We have dealt with the enemy without the Argentinian forces. 1221 01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,600 Now we must deal with the enemy within. 1222 01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:29,400 That's a phrase that... I found shocking. 1223 01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:32,720 It is always easier to defeat the enemy without 1224 01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,760 because they can be seen and identified. 1225 01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:40,080 And everyone is absolutely united in defeating the enemy without. 1226 01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:44,960 When you get violence and intimidation and extremism and militancy within, 1227 01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,200 it is very much more difficult to defeat. 1228 01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,320 But violence and intimidation within 1229 01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:52,800 are the enemy of the ballot. 1230 01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,240 They are the enemy of democracy, 1231 01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:58,200 and anyone or any union that gives in to them 1232 01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,640 - has very little future. - If I can get this perfectly clear... 1233 01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,760 You don't... Liberty doesn't have any future 1234 01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:04,160 if you give in to that. 1235 01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:08,000 Moderate trade unions have no future if we give in to that. 1236 01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:13,640 "The enemy within" was a deeply damaging and poisonous way 1237 01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:18,240 in which you begin to isolate and caricature a group of people. 1238 01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,800 How did you feel when the miners were described 1239 01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,040 - as "the enemy within"? - Oh, f... 1240 01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:30,760 Thumping. 1241 01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:33,760 How do I feel? 1242 01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:35,880 After serving... 1243 01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:39,400 ...tours in Northern Ireland... 1244 01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:41,040 wearing... 1245 01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:44,640 Her Majesty's uniform, 1246 01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:46,920 and for her to come out with a statement like that. 1247 01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,240 I was also a part-time fireman at the time, 1248 01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:51,720 so I was doing my bit. 1249 01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:56,080 And we didn't want oodles of money. We just wanted to carry on. 1250 01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:59,800 We wanted a job. That's all we wanted. 1251 01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,080 That hurt a lot of miners, that. 1252 01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:06,640 It just shows the contempt what Thatcher and the Tories 1253 01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,320 have got for the working class, what they really think about you. 1254 01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:14,840 It were coal miners helped them out there through wars, 1255 01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,320 they dug coal through wars, for England. 1256 01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:20,320 And then to be portrayed as the enemy within. 1257 01:16:21,440 --> 01:16:23,520 We weren't the enemy. 1258 01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:26,960 A part of history forgotten. 1259 01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:38,800 After Orgreave, 1260 01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:42,360 next part of Thatcher's strategy was to get people back to work. 1261 01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:46,000 Bribe people back to work, beat people back to work, 1262 01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:47,760 starve people back to work. 1263 01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:51,080 Whatever it takes, the green light was given. 1264 01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:53,760 The number of striking miners going back to work this week 1265 01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:55,440 is still increasing. 1266 01:16:55,440 --> 01:16:58,200 1,600 men have now given up the strike this week 1267 01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:00,680 according to the Coal Board. 1268 01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:03,560 There were letters coming to us from the Coal Board, saying, 1269 01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:07,680 "If you go back, we'll give you three months' back pay," or whatever. 1270 01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,480 We'll pay all your debts, give you holiday money, 1271 01:17:11,480 --> 01:17:13,840 just to say, "This-- there's a guy back." 1272 01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,120 And the media would blow it up, saying, "That pit's working. That pit's working." 1273 01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:20,720 So it's in the mindset of the men, well, everyone's going back to work. 1274 01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:26,400 Looking back, I mean, I quite accept that I had become a bit of a cheerleader 1275 01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,000 because I was reporting the government's agenda 1276 01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,600 by encouraging a return to work. 1277 01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,280 {\an8}The Coal Board seems to be getting towards last Monday's record, 1278 01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:36,680 {\an8}when 2,000 miners went back to work. 1279 01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:39,840 {\an8}As you say, 1,200 already so far this morning. 1280 01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,920 I would almost call it propaganda, 1281 01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:46,160 because it played an enormous part 1282 01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:49,840 in terms of setting the views of many people 1283 01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:53,040 who were not actively involved in supporting the miners. 1284 01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:56,720 That they were traitors, they were disloyal. 1285 01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:58,440 But it could have been different. 1286 01:17:58,440 --> 01:18:00,800 We repeatedly asked Arthur Scargill, 1287 01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:04,520 "Couldn't we, the media, have a better relationship with the NUM?" 1288 01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:06,240 And we always got a dusty answer. 1289 01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,920 He told me, "It's just a waste of time, 1290 01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:12,040 because, you know, you're just agents of Mrs. Thatcher." 1291 01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,840 We have seen in the media... 1292 01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:17,960 time and time again, suggestions... 1293 01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,280 miners are drifting back to work. 1294 01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:23,600 Rubbish! 1295 01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:28,400 It must be right, it's in the Daily Express. 1296 01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:35,200 And then, Thatcher wanted to start breaking the most militant areas. 1297 01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:38,360 That meant a lot of police sent into mining communities, 1298 01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:43,280 creating, again, the arrests, the atmosphere of intimidation. 1299 01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:46,040 In Yorkshire, police were waiting. 1300 01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,160 Three men went to work here yesterday. 1301 01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:51,560 Over 2,000 pickets were out to stop them today. 1302 01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:53,120 But they couldn't get near the gates, 1303 01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:56,280 penned into a side street by row upon row of police, 1304 01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:59,360 with reinforcements standing by, determined... 1305 01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,680 More and more people were required to go. 1306 01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,240 I mean, in the end, they were taking people out of offices. 1307 01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:09,960 They used to chase men and baton them... 1308 01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:14,760 ...to the degree that people would open their doors and let them in and hide them. 1309 01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:18,480 I don't know whether they were trying to terrorize us all, 1310 01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:21,280 or think, well... 1311 01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:23,120 you know, you're gonna do as you're told. 1312 01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:27,840 Everybody got really, really worked up. 1313 01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,640 I remember we had to pass our village green, 1314 01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:32,760 which was quite a big area, 1315 01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:34,920 and I had me two sons in the car, 1316 01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,240 and the little 'un says, he was nine, 1317 01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:40,280 "Mam, look at the green. It's black." 1318 01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:42,520 And when I looked, it was. It was black with police. 1319 01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:47,360 We turned the corner, and the street was cordoned off. 1320 01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:49,440 I had to stop the car. 1321 01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:52,440 "Where you going? How long will you be?" 1322 01:19:52,440 --> 01:19:54,880 I said, "I'm going to me mam's, I'm dropping the bairns off." 1323 01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:56,520 "Okay." 1324 01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,320 And just as I'm winding the window up, the little 'un says, 1325 01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:01,040 "But, Mam, you didn't tell that policeman 1326 01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:03,200 we're going to the picket line first, did you?" 1327 01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:06,920 Um, so, that started it. 1328 01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,280 2,500 police in your village. 1329 01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:14,000 The battle over the few miners going back 1330 01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:15,800 reached a new peak this morning. 1331 01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:18,880 A thousand police had to face barricades of burning cars 1332 01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:20,560 to get one man into work. 1333 01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:22,320 Scabbing bastard! 1334 01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:27,280 By that time, it seemed the police were no longer worried 1335 01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:29,280 about seeing as being partisan. 1336 01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:31,640 And to have your village invaded 1337 01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:35,880 when you're going to be hungry, you're going to be... 1338 01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,520 worried that it's not going to go your way now. 1339 01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:41,280 Stop throwing missiles! 1340 01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:44,560 You can see how violence would escalate there... 1341 01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:48,280 and how people would respond 1342 01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:51,760 to a thousand policemen turning up to take one person back to work. 1343 01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:53,360 We've got it. 1344 01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,400 The village became a bit like a hornet's nest. 1345 01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:00,680 And... and the scabs started to go in. 1346 01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:03,480 I mean, that really set the village on fire. 1347 01:21:03,480 --> 01:21:05,400 It really, really did. 1348 01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:07,440 You know, the hate we had for these people 1349 01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:10,480 that were going in, were going in to work. 1350 01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:17,440 Lots of people in Shirebrook have been harassing working miners. 1351 01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:19,560 After weeks of broken windows 1352 01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,040 and insults from people who were once your neighbors, 1353 01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:24,920 at least two of them have moved to other villages. 1354 01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:29,400 And sadly, as we got further into winter... 1355 01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:34,040 the more people did drift back to work. 1356 01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,160 - What's driven you to go back to work? - Money. 1357 01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,720 - You say money? - Money. Financial problems. 1358 01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:42,600 I suppose everyone's got their reason for going back. 1359 01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:46,000 To me, there's no excuse for going back. 1360 01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:49,680 Scabby bastards! 1361 01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:54,880 Weeks turned into months... 1362 01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:57,400 and nothing was happening. 1363 01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:59,800 And I'm... at home... 1364 01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,520 not earning, obviously, as nobody else was. 1365 01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:08,800 I said to me dad, I said, "Look, I want to go back into work." 1366 01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:10,800 And he said, "Well... 1367 01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:12,360 no son of mine is going to scab, 1368 01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:14,720 and if you're going to scab, I'm not having a scab under this roof. 1369 01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:17,320 You better move out, and I suggest you do it now... 1370 01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:19,720 there and then." 1371 01:22:20,440 --> 01:22:22,640 Because of me dad being a big union man, 1372 01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:24,840 I knew that it would be embarrassing. 1373 01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:26,640 And that was one of the contributing factors 1374 01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:27,960 to me not going back earlier. 1375 01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:31,560 On that particular Thursday, I remember it vividly, 1376 01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:35,040 I picked the phone up, dialed the number, I said, "I'm coming back to work." 1377 01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:37,760 And I knew, I thought... 1378 01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:39,880 "There's no going back now." 1379 01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:44,520 "Here's what's going to happen. 1380 01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:47,040 The bus will come," he said, "There'll be policemen outside your house. 1381 01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:50,320 Don't get worried about that. That's just here for protection. 1382 01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,880 You'll drive through the picket lines, and that's not going to be easy. 1383 01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:55,640 Um, there'll be a lot of shouting, 1384 01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:57,840 there may be a few missiles thrown at the bus as you're going in." 1385 01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:59,600 And I'm thinking, "Oh, crikey." 1386 01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:05,120 The following Monday, I opened the door, and there were two... 1387 01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:07,720 um, uniformed officers. 1388 01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:09,800 He says, "Are you ready, young man?" 1389 01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:12,560 You know, total... It's just part of normal daily life. 1390 01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:14,680 To me, it were a life-changing decision. 1391 01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:18,480 And that walk from the front door to the end of the garden path... 1392 01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:20,360 I felt like I were walking to t'gallows. 1393 01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:24,600 Got on the bus, and as I sat down... 1394 01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:26,720 the chaperone came down to me, 1395 01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:30,160 and he put his hand on my shoulder, and he says, 1396 01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,920 "You've done t'right thing, lad. You're in good hands now." 1397 01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:35,960 He said, "Just one word from me. 1398 01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,400 If we get overrun, 1399 01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,880 there are baseball bats in t'racks above you." 1400 01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:47,360 If I said I weren't petrified, I'd be lying. 1401 01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:50,960 But there were no violence, there were no... 1402 01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:53,920 Nothing was thrown at the bus, no missiles as such. 1403 01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:57,480 From what I'd seen on t'news, it was totally different. 1404 01:23:57,480 --> 01:23:59,440 There was no missiles. 1405 01:23:59,440 --> 01:24:03,240 Yeah, they'd push at the police lines to get to the buses. 1406 01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:05,600 But it turns out all they wanted to do 1407 01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:09,040 was to get onto the bus to try and persuade us to change us mind. 1408 01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,080 You believe in what the comics are telling you. 1409 01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:12,640 I can see with me eyes. 1410 01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:15,440 Yeah, but if you're not looking, you can't see the wood for the trees. 1411 01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:17,720 You're forgetting to shove it aside and look. 1412 01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,360 You know, it pitted brother against brother. 1413 01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:23,400 It pitted father against son. 1414 01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:26,080 It even split communities. It destroyed communities. 1415 01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:33,520 After the strike, a reporter from the Radio Times asked me dad, 1416 01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,200 "Should the worst thing happen, and you pass away, 1417 01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:37,560 would you be happy for Steven to come to your funeral?" 1418 01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,320 And he says, "I'd rather go to his." 1419 01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:46,680 And that, even to this day, even just recalling that day, 1420 01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:48,800 And I think, "Really?" 1421 01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:53,120 That was the line drawn under it. 1422 01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:03,000 It was a bit bleak there towards Christmas. 1423 01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:08,440 But miners are very resilient. They help each other. 1424 01:25:08,440 --> 01:25:10,080 Four times a week, 1425 01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:13,360 Ronnie Mott and his two friends, Alan Horcroft and Trevor Diamond, 1426 01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:15,560 set out in search of coal. 1427 01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:19,360 One bag will keep their families warm and washed for two days. 1428 01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:22,360 There were people there, you know, trying to keep your spirits up. 1429 01:25:24,440 --> 01:25:26,120 We had the women. 1430 01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:29,320 Women's support groups, women's action groups, 1431 01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:31,480 women on picket lines. 1432 01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:37,680 I ended up going to London quite a lot, fundraising. 1433 01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:43,240 Eventually, I ended up in Germany, Belgium, 1434 01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:46,400 Holland, twice in America. 1435 01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:50,680 We needed that money for the food. 1436 01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:53,560 Otherwise, we would have been starved back, 1437 01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:55,920 and we didn't want that. 1438 01:25:57,760 --> 01:25:59,800 It was so hard watching people... 1439 01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:04,000 who you love, who you think so much about, who... 1440 01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:08,760 At first, we're all like this. 1441 01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:12,520 But as weeks went on, you could see it's... getting worse. 1442 01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:15,080 So, we then had to become 1443 01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:17,920 like an advice center as well as a food center. 1444 01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:22,200 One man, he'd waited till his wife had gone to bed. 1445 01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:24,640 He rang to say he was going to kill his-self 1446 01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:27,160 'cause they couldn't pay the electric bill, you know? 1447 01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:29,320 So, I would get up in the middle of the night 1448 01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:33,200 and go to see these people, and try and help out. 1449 01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:36,160 What was it like financially and...? 1450 01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:37,880 Horrendous. Horrendous. 1451 01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:40,480 I live with the guilt of that. 1452 01:26:42,440 --> 01:26:45,520 You're putting your wife, and at the time, me son, 1453 01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,560 through hell for something you believe in. 1454 01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,680 When it come to the Christmas time, we had nothing. 1455 01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:53,280 Nothing. 1456 01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:55,360 I had no coal, nothing to burn. 1457 01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:57,840 Uh, nothing in the cupboards. 1458 01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:00,840 It was... It always sits heavy with me, this. 1459 01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:07,720 My husband knew that I was suffering, he knew I was tired. 1460 01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:11,840 But he didn't know just how bad I was. 1461 01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:15,000 I didn't want him to know. 1462 01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:21,000 So, I thought, "Shall I go to see the Catholic father?" 1463 01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:22,560 And I did. 1464 01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:25,800 And every Friday night for the rest of the strike, 1465 01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:27,880 I went to Father O'Conn... 1466 01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:30,160 Father O'Connor's house... 1467 01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:32,640 for a cup of tea and a chat. 1468 01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:37,240 He just listened, and that helped to keep me going. 1469 01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:45,720 I can always remember sitting having a conversation with the wife, 1470 01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:49,240 a couple of weeks after, when the dust had settled. 1471 01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:53,560 And she says, "Would you ever do that again?" 1472 01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:56,600 I says, "I would, yes." 1473 01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:58,400 She says, "I don't think I could support you." 1474 01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:00,240 Oh, I'm getting choked up here! 1475 01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:02,040 Can you give us a minute. 1476 01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:15,960 It just gets us sometimes. 1477 01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:22,240 Yeah, it was... 1478 01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:26,160 wasn't the best of times, that. The reality of it, you know. 1479 01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:29,040 Can you just imagine living on £7 a week? 1480 01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:30,640 If you just put it down in front of you, 1481 01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:32,760 and then think of what shopping you've got to do, 1482 01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:34,320 the bills what's to come out of it, 1483 01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:38,000 you can't imagine it. And it's those people's gone back. 1484 01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:41,840 We both went in and out of... depression. 1485 01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:47,080 Having to apply for winter coats for the children. 1486 01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:52,040 Don hated it. He absolutely... "I provide for my children." 1487 01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:54,240 I mean, I've, I've been up till four o'clock, 1488 01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:55,360 five o'clock in the morning. 1489 01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:57,560 Not because... I'm not tired. Worry. 1490 01:28:57,560 --> 01:28:59,880 I mean, who wouldn't be worried at owing £2,000? 1491 01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:02,160 Wondering what the postwoman's going to bring the following morning. 1492 01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:04,880 It's going to be a threatening letter from, 1493 01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,400 you know, the building society, the bank or whatever. 1494 01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:11,640 Behind those closed doors, there's been an awful lot of suffering. 1495 01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:15,560 I wonder how many children have seen parents cry? How much debt they're in? 1496 01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:16,960 There's an awful of that gone on. 1497 01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:21,480 But no-one's ever said, "Why have they stayed out?" 1498 01:29:21,480 --> 01:29:25,240 They've stayed out because they believe in what they were fighting for. 1499 01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:31,760 Good evening. 1500 01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:35,840 There will be no more negotiations between the Coal Board and the NUM. 1501 01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:39,480 {\an8}That was made quite clear by Mrs. Thatcher in the Commons during... 1502 01:29:39,480 --> 01:29:43,040 {\an8}I knew that there would be no end to this 1503 01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,200 unless there was an unconditional surrender, 1504 01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:48,840 either by Mrs. Thatcher, or by Arthur Scargill. 1505 01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:52,040 But if Mrs. Thatcher wanted unconditional victory... 1506 01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:56,520 Arthur wanted it, too, almost. And I think that was the problem. 1507 01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:59,520 The National Executive Committee of the NUM 1508 01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:01,920 are not begging or crawling 1509 01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:05,280 to the National Coal Board for a resumption of negotiations. 1510 01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:07,440 She wasn't going to give way, he wasn't going to give way. 1511 01:30:07,440 --> 01:30:09,680 He wanted to carry on. 1512 01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:11,880 There's this criticism of Arthur Scargill 1513 01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:14,320 of not being prepared to do a deal. 1514 01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:18,760 Why did he put the miners through these six months of hardship 1515 01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:22,320 in the autumn and the winter of that year? 1516 01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:28,880 After Christmas, there was definitely a change in mood. 1517 01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:31,560 You know, it's... 1518 01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:36,560 All that sacrifice, it was just beginning to dawn on you that... 1519 01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:39,480 ...it was going to be for nothing. 1520 01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:56,280 The miners' strike is over. The NUM is recommending all its members 1521 01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:58,560 to go back to work on Tuesday. 1522 01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:01,080 Voting at today's special delegate conference 1523 01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:02,960 was declared a few minutes ago. 1524 01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:05,080 98 to 91, 1525 01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:07,680 - in favor of an organized return. 1526 01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:10,160 Conference has decided... 1527 01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:14,200 that the National Union of Mineworkers... 1528 01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:17,560 shall organize a return to work on Tuesday. 1529 01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:20,400 I called the boys together. 1530 01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:23,160 I said, "Boys, we've got to go back." 1531 01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:25,000 "Why, Tyrone? Why should we?" 1532 01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:27,080 "Boys... 1533 01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:29,760 the democratic decision has been taken. 1534 01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:31,680 We're not scabs. 1535 01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:34,440 We will accept," as much as we didn't want it, 1536 01:31:34,440 --> 01:31:36,960 "We will accept the democratic decision." 1537 01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:40,600 Okay, boys, I know it's a bitter pill to swallow, 1538 01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:42,760 but we are going back to work 1539 01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:45,760 without a negotiated settlement. 1540 01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:47,120 But nevertheless... 1541 01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:51,280 I was absolutely devastated. I honestly cried that day. 1542 01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:55,640 And Arthur Scargill came out and he said, "Look," he says, 1543 01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:58,680 "I'm sorry, but yous have got to go back to work." 1544 01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:01,040 Well, I was gutted. Oh, I couldn't believe it. 1545 01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:05,600 We had lost, as simple as that. We had lost. 1546 01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:10,560 And they could do anything they wanted. 1547 01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:15,680 On the last morning of the strike, 1548 01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:19,080 the working miners drive past the pickets. 1549 01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:23,360 But tomorrow, they've all got to learn to work together again. 1550 01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:25,480 I think it was an enormous grief. 1551 01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:30,280 All the urgings to keep... You know, "Keep going, keep going. 1552 01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:32,240 We can do this. Keep going, keep going." 1553 01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:36,000 It was all to no avail, and it was over. 1554 01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:40,720 I still believe, to this day, that if they'd given just that little bit longer, 1555 01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:42,520 three or four more weeks, I think we'd have got there. 1556 01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:44,480 I really, really believe that. 1557 01:32:44,480 --> 01:32:46,000 But we didn't... 1558 01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:49,520 ...and we marched back. 1559 01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:54,280 They've stood behind their union for a year. 1560 01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:56,920 This morning, their march back to work 1561 01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:59,480 was intended as another gesture of defiance 1562 01:32:59,480 --> 01:33:01,920 to the Coal Board and the government. 1563 01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:05,840 Meeting at the Miners Welfare, and we're going to march along to the pit 1564 01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:08,120 and march in, carrying the banner, 1565 01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:10,800 and we're going to try and be as jolly as we can. 1566 01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:18,680 There was a... a huge front put on, of joviality. 1567 01:33:20,440 --> 01:33:23,040 Behind their champion brass band, 1568 01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:26,160 the miners, their mothers, their children, and their wives, 1569 01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:28,480 gathered in their thousands. 1570 01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:33,280 Although I stuck my chest out and me chin up, 1571 01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:37,040 and cheered when we marched back in front of our banner... 1572 01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:41,520 ...I were dead inside. I were dead. 1573 01:33:44,480 --> 01:33:47,000 It was the toughest part of the strike, 1574 01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:50,880 but at least there were thousands other people like me. 1575 01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:54,000 But in Nottingham, my goodness, 1576 01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:57,400 these people suffered massive harassment and intimidation. 1577 01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:01,320 For the strikers, the next few weeks are going to be difficult ones indeed. 1578 01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:04,160 Here in the Midlands, they are very much in the minority, 1579 01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:06,480 and many feel, rightly or wrongly, 1580 01:34:06,480 --> 01:34:09,080 that they may become the targets for intimidation. 1581 01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:13,200 We were the most hated men at that colliery. 1582 01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:16,560 - We'll sort that out, right? - Aye, don't forget. 1583 01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:17,960 What we spoke about. 1584 01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:21,640 You know, threats of violence towards us, 1585 01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:24,080 you know, on the pit-top, when you were getting changed. 1586 01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:27,280 Threats of violence. 1587 01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:29,440 Honestly, we were detested. 1588 01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:35,160 I dinnae think we can pretend it was anything other than a defeat. 1589 01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:38,120 However, people did see that we fought. 1590 01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:43,320 It took the Tories and the whole of the British state, everything, 1591 01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:46,000 it took them more than a year to beat us. 1592 01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:54,480 But that year had cost the people so much. 1593 01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:58,280 For some people, it cost them their lives. 1594 01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:11,040 Um... 1595 01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:16,360 There was a... I know at least four people 1596 01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:19,920 that died in the wake of the strike, that committed suicide. 1597 01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:22,040 And I'm not saying it was entirely... 1598 01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:24,720 ...the strike... 1599 01:35:26,440 --> 01:35:28,920 ...but that was a huge part of it. 1600 01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:38,520 Most of the 90 or so miners arrested 1601 01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:39,680 were charged with riot 1602 01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:42,360 carrying a possible life sentence. 1603 01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:43,640 We'd read the headlines. 1604 01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:47,040 We'd heard them being regurgitated on the news. 1605 01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:50,480 Anybody found guilty at Sheffield Crown Court... 1606 01:35:50,480 --> 01:35:51,720 can expect life. 1607 01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:56,840 Life, you always thought, was for murderers and... 1608 01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:59,600 guys... you know, serious criminals. 1609 01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:03,120 You are powerless, aren't you? 1610 01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:04,960 You're just at their mercy, aren't you? 1611 01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:07,800 They were terrified. 1612 01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:09,720 These were working men, 1613 01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:13,600 all different ages, from a teenager, one of my clients, 1614 01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:16,200 up to men in their fifties. 1615 01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:18,680 And it weren't only me. There were... 1616 01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:21,880 grown men there who were scared, d'you know what I mean? 1617 01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:23,880 A lot of years. 1618 01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:29,040 Everyone thought that this was going to be an uphill struggle. 1619 01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:32,080 - But as the prosecution evidence 1620 01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:35,040 was served in advance of the trial, 1621 01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:37,600 then we could all see there were 1622 01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:40,960 various aspects of that evidence 1623 01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:44,400 which tended to rather undermine 1624 01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:46,680 the core of the prosecution case. 1625 01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:50,680 The prosecution had not elected 1626 01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:53,600 to make the police video a part of its case. 1627 01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:58,760 One they took themselves from behind the police lines. 1628 01:36:59,960 --> 01:37:02,440 So, we were entitled to see it. 1629 01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:07,480 That videotape was used to devastating effect 1630 01:37:07,480 --> 01:37:10,800 on the principal and most senior police officer, 1631 01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:13,280 Assistant Chief Constable Clements. 1632 01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:20,280 Clements claimed that the justification for the short shield officers going in 1633 01:37:20,280 --> 01:37:23,800 was because the sky was black with missiles, 1634 01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:26,440 and that was the level of violence, 1635 01:37:26,440 --> 01:37:29,160 so they had to do something about it. 1636 01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:31,480 And so, we asked him to look at the video. 1637 01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:37,320 It was quite clear that there wasn't much... 1638 01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:39,680 in all honesty, in the way of missiles. 1639 01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:42,120 Now, not only was that a lie, 1640 01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:44,520 but it was a calculated lie. 1641 01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:50,040 And then he was asked about the use of short shields and truncheons 1642 01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:53,720 and where that authority came from. 1643 01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:58,720 And that's when he referred to the manual. 1644 01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:01,440 And we all went... 1645 01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:03,440 "What manual?" 1646 01:38:03,440 --> 01:38:05,320 One of the defense team asks 1647 01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:08,080 if the Home Office was involved in the manual, 1648 01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:10,680 and that question is shut down. 1649 01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:13,280 Prosecution objects, judge agrees. 1650 01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:17,240 That's very curious to me. 1651 01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:21,560 Why object if the answer was no? 1652 01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:24,240 Then we were served with the actual witness statements 1653 01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:28,200 of the various arresting officers, 1654 01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:30,680 and it immediately became clear 1655 01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:34,800 that large portions of them must have been dictated. 1656 01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:39,320 Officers from differing forces all over the country 1657 01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:41,280 had somehow... 1658 01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:43,120 ...managed to write 1659 01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:47,560 verbatim accounts in each other's statements. 1660 01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:52,320 This became increasingly untenable. 1661 01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:54,560 Yesterday, a policeman, PC Gary Gray, 1662 01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:57,240 had admitted that in court that his statement had been wrong. 1663 01:38:57,240 --> 01:38:59,160 He confessed that the first part of the statement 1664 01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:01,520 had been dictated to him by a detective. 1665 01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:04,920 The prosecution case collapsed. 1666 01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:07,800 Celebration outside Sheffield Crown Court this week 1667 01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:11,360 following the collapse of the prosecution case against 14 miners 1668 01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:14,200 charged with riot at the Orgreave coking plant. 1669 01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:17,280 The case had collapsed. 1670 01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:21,680 I suspected that it was to do with the fact of these... 1671 01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:24,360 statements, you know, what was inserted. 1672 01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:27,520 There was never any investigation. 1673 01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:29,400 Yeah, that's the disturbing picture, 1674 01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:32,400 that no-one seems interested to actually find out 1675 01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:35,960 why all this happened and who made those decisions. 1676 01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:39,040 One defence lawyer said the case was the worst example 1677 01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:42,200 of a mass frame-up in this country this century. 1678 01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:46,560 Another talked about wholesale dishonesty and a spiteful prosecution. 1679 01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:49,840 The miners insist 1680 01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:52,320 the whole prosecution was wrongly conceived. 1681 01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:55,320 Their ordeal left men in prison and families broken up. 1682 01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:59,640 You know, there's certain feelings that has left you unsettled 1683 01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:02,680 and I mean, I'm married and I have to keep my job, obviously 1684 01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:06,240 and so I mean, I'm just overwhelmed and I'm glad that it's been this outcome. 1685 01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:07,760 As a trial... 1686 01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:14,320 ...it had achieved really nothing, other than, and thankfully... 1687 01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:17,840 that each and every one of us was going home to our families. 1688 01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:21,800 It was elation. 1689 01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:25,320 We were crying. Everybody were crying and hugging each other. 1690 01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:28,040 It were just... an amazing feeling. 1691 01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:34,840 Press were outside, and they wanted us to go out and meet 'em. 1692 01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:37,200 And I didn't want that. 1693 01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:39,840 I were free, I wanted to go. 1694 01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:42,000 'Cause I could go where I want and do what I want. 1695 01:40:44,240 --> 01:40:48,160 The thought of... The thought of not going to jail for ten years 1696 01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:51,400 when I've got two young kiddies to... and a family to look after, 1697 01:40:51,400 --> 01:40:54,440 yeah, obviously, it's great from that perspective. 1698 01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:57,240 But... 1699 01:40:57,240 --> 01:41:00,120 again, to a degree... 1700 01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:03,000 it pisses you off, because... 1701 01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:05,320 it's done what they wanted to do. 1702 01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:00,400 Before the strike... 1703 01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:03,360 we worked three shifts, days, afters, and nights. 1704 01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:07,800 And there was always somebody on streets, 1705 01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:10,640 coming home from work or going to work. 1706 01:42:10,640 --> 01:42:12,040 No one ever had any break-ins. 1707 01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:14,960 I can't remember any drugs. 1708 01:42:16,040 --> 01:42:18,520 Now you're looking at our villages... 1709 01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:21,480 and there's drugs all over the place. 1710 01:42:21,480 --> 01:42:24,960 They've absolutely decimated all our mining villages. 1711 01:42:26,360 --> 01:42:29,240 The next generation just became junkies. 1712 01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:31,440 There was a lot of junkies in the village. A lot of people died. 1713 01:42:31,440 --> 01:42:32,600 Young men died. 1714 01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:35,680 And there wasn't any work. 1715 01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:42,440 Decimated. Absolutely decimated. 1716 01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:48,880 Now there's not a coal mine in Scotland. 1717 01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:57,040 Nothing left. Nae industry. 1718 01:42:57,040 --> 01:43:00,720 Nae jobs for the people that worked in the mining industry. 1719 01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:01,960 There's nothing. 1720 01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:09,240 It's unforgivable that you do that to an industry 1721 01:43:09,240 --> 01:43:10,960 and then don't support your people 1722 01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:13,320 because you don't believe in what they think. 1723 01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:15,840 Had a big effect on my life. 1724 01:43:18,440 --> 01:43:19,560 Drinking a lot. 1725 01:43:21,200 --> 01:43:22,360 Taking drugs. 1726 01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:24,320 Fighting. 1727 01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:26,960 Got in lots of... 1728 01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:30,360 My life actually got worse after that. 1729 01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:33,280 I don't think it'll ever go away. 1730 01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:35,960 I think it's going to stick with people who were involved in that 1731 01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:38,000 till they take it to their graves. 1732 01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:45,480 I remember, I eventually took the plunge 1733 01:43:45,480 --> 01:43:47,360 and took my redundancy. 1734 01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:53,480 How do you feel like this after 40 years? 1735 01:43:53,480 --> 01:43:55,960 Silly, innit, really? Um... 1736 01:43:57,800 --> 01:43:59,680 And we're stood in Meadowhall and I look round 1737 01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:02,080 and the people spending money, and... 1738 01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:05,400 buying things for the kids, and buying... 1739 01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:08,160 All I got was... not a job. 1740 01:44:08,160 --> 01:44:09,640 No prospects. 1741 01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:14,960 That moment in time, I have never, ever... 1742 01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:16,920 felt as low in my life. 1743 01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:20,640 I think that's why... 1744 01:44:20,640 --> 01:44:22,800 it feels so emotional now, you know? 1745 01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:24,720 It feel it, it's... 1746 01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:28,080 It's immense, you know what I mean? It hurts, you know what I mean? 1747 01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:32,280 Why do you think it remains this emotional 40 years on? 1748 01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:35,200 I dunno... 1749 01:44:38,120 --> 01:44:38,960 Anger. 1750 01:44:42,200 --> 01:44:45,880 Not having the truth told. 1751 01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:05,320 How long is it since you've seen him? 1752 01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:09,720 Forty years, almost. 1753 01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:12,360 I was 22... 1754 01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:15,280 and this lad here was 16. 1755 01:45:16,680 --> 01:45:17,680 And he had hair. 1756 01:45:20,040 --> 01:45:22,320 He had hair back then. 1757 01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:24,200 - How are you? - How you doin', fella? 1758 01:45:24,200 --> 01:45:26,040 - Ey up, mate. - Nice to see you. 1759 01:45:26,040 --> 01:45:28,280 - How are you, mate? - Come here. 1760 01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:30,160 - How you doing? - I'm good. You? 1761 01:45:30,160 --> 01:45:32,840 Yeah, I'm fine. All the better for seeing you. 1762 01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:34,640 Yeah, nice. Long time, mate. 1763 01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:37,080 It's... Well, I've just been asked that. Forty years? 1764 01:45:37,080 --> 01:45:38,640 Yeah, 40 year. 1765 01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:40,400 You've not changed much. 1766 01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:42,600 I had... I had the long hair then. 1767 01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:44,600 Yeah, you did. Only thing that's missing, mate. 1768 01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:45,920 That was a bit comical, eh? 1769 01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:48,240 - Yeah, you're looking well. - You could be doing with some of it now. 1770 01:45:48,240 --> 01:45:50,120 Yeah, well, you know. 1771 01:45:53,320 --> 01:45:55,360 Some good friendships come out of it. 1772 01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:58,560 Not just people who were on trial. 1773 01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:01,360 It just got like one massive family. 1774 01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:04,240 Everybody stuck together and helped each other. 1775 01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:05,960 - How do, lads? Hello, guys. 1776 01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:08,160 - All right, Craig. - Changed a bit, eh? 1777 01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:09,920 We bonded as a group 1778 01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:12,040 and we supported one another as a group. 1779 01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:15,280 - Changed massively. - Yeah. 1780 01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:19,360 I'm trying to get it in my mind's eye how it looked in '84. 1781 01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:21,560 Thirty-eight years is a long time, in't it? 1782 01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:22,480 It is. 1783 01:46:22,480 --> 01:46:25,680 Well, it's a long time, and lot's-- a lot's changed. 1784 01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:28,760 Can you run any faster? 1785 01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:32,080 When I'm-- when I'm getting chased by the police, yeah. 1786 01:46:33,200 --> 01:46:34,760 I think the old pit were there. 1787 01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:35,880 Yeah. 1788 01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:37,600 Yeah. - Unbelievable. 1789 01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:39,520 It's got to have been there, I think. 1790 01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:42,280 The weather was better. 1791 01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:45,080 - It was scorching. - Yeah. 1792 01:46:45,080 --> 01:46:47,760 I had my white shirt on there, unbuttoned. 1793 01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:49,720 - Yeah. 1794 01:46:50,440 --> 01:46:51,480 Yeah. 1795 01:46:51,480 --> 01:46:53,440 You only live in the world you create. 1796 01:46:54,040 --> 01:46:56,560 We tried to create a better world for all. 1797 01:46:57,680 --> 01:46:59,440 And I have no guilt over that, 1798 01:46:59,440 --> 01:47:01,560 I have a clear conscience over that, 1799 01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:03,600 and I'm proud of what I've done over that. 1800 01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:07,880 I still like to think the world will change, 1801 01:47:07,880 --> 01:47:12,160 but me optimism has waned slightly, let's put it that way. 1802 01:47:18,360 --> 01:47:20,280 Why do you think you remain 1803 01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:22,200 so proud of the industry that's killed your dad? 1804 01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:24,400 It's killed members of your family. 1805 01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:27,680 Your health in particular suffers as a result, 1806 01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:31,080 and yet you're still so proud of it. What-- Why do you think that is? 1807 01:47:31,080 --> 01:47:33,080 When I started in the coalface... 1808 01:47:34,240 --> 01:47:37,000 at 16-- 15, when I went underground, 1809 01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:40,760 immediately, my union taught me 1810 01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:43,920 the importance of trying to make change. 1811 01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:49,480 For 100 years or more, we tried to make a difference. 1812 01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:53,280 Tried to make a better world. 1813 01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:57,040 Tried to understand sharing of wealth. 1814 01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:00,440 And willing to do something about it. 1815 01:48:02,680 --> 01:48:05,280 That's been... my life. 1816 01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:10,160 Yeah, you work hard underground, 1817 01:48:10,520 --> 01:48:13,880 but also then in your own time, your family time... 1818 01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:17,680 you still try to make a difference in the world. 1819 01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:23,480 So, yeah, I'm proud to be... 1820 01:48:24,720 --> 01:48:26,880 proud to be a miner. 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