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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,920 To be fair, it can’t be much fun being a racist. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,040 You do all this stuff with them students, 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,240 milking it about how much you’ve changed, 4 00:00:08,599 --> 00:00:10,287 how much of a better man you are now, 5 00:00:10,353 --> 00:00:12,360 yet you thought exactly the same way as I did 6 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,000 - when you were my age, didn’t you? - I’ll tuck you in. 7 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,480 - What are you doing in bed with Dad? - I was tired, Matthew. 8 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,720 I’m going to commit a murder to begin a race war. 9 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,520 Another MP, Rosie Cooper. 10 00:00:22,990 --> 00:00:24,560 I know who the informant is. 11 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,640 It’s this slug called Robbie Mullen. 12 00:00:26,933 --> 00:00:28,840 A lot of people won’t forget what he’s done. 13 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:30,920 The police are here. It’s about the boys. 14 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:32,840 Someone’s made a threat against them. 15 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,040 Listen, listen, look. I’m-I’m leaving here now. 16 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:37,360 Where were these images posted? 17 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,000 We found them on a thread in a mobile seized yesterday. 18 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,160 We believe the original posts are linked to National Action. 19 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,800 I’m sorry. He’s gonna have to go. 20 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,800 That’s it now. We can’t keep doing this. 21 00:00:47,518 --> 00:00:49,080 Robbie, this trial isn’t far off now, lad, 22 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,354 and you’re going to have to demonstrate to the jury 23 00:00:52,434 --> 00:00:56,000 that you’re not the same as Renshaw and the others, that they can trust you, 24 00:00:56,622 --> 00:00:59,000 cos you’re different from them. 25 00:00:59,338 --> 00:01:00,705 Is this some sort of test? 26 00:01:00,812 --> 00:01:03,320 Sticking me in the middle of Nigeria, see how he handles it, yeah? 27 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:04,680 - You’re scared, aren’t you? - No! 28 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,480 Cos you want me to stand up in court 29 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,240 and tell everybody that I’m a changed man, and I’m not! 30 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,520 Jack Renshaw, stand up. 31 00:01:45,446 --> 00:01:48,488 You’ve been found guilty of four counts 32 00:01:48,601 --> 00:01:51,767 of inciting a child to engage in sexual activities. 33 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,284 You’ve displayed not one shred of remorse 34 00:01:54,384 --> 00:01:56,280 and the defence you put forward – 35 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,200 that your phone had been hacked – was as lacking in evidence as it was credibility. 36 00:02:01,015 --> 00:02:04,320 These are very serious offences against minors, 37 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,040 and in one case, a boy as young as 13, 38 00:02:07,551 --> 00:02:09,320 and society needs protection 39 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,080 against predatory paedophiles like you. 40 00:02:13,043 --> 00:02:16,520 I impose upon you a prison sentence of 16 months. 41 00:02:18,170 --> 00:02:19,954 - Take him down. - Jack! 42 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,614 We love you, son! 43 00:02:26,013 --> 00:02:28,120 16 months. It could have been worse. 44 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,540 God, it’s going to be in the newspapers. 45 00:02:32,712 --> 00:02:34,560 The whole fucking world’s gonna read it. 46 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:36,600 The judge ordered reporting restrictions 47 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:39,360 because of the upcoming trial for the plan to kill the MP. 48 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,280 No detail from this case can be published 49 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,120 until after that’s taken place. 50 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:44,640 What? So, they can’t print it yet? 51 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,570 We’ve got a bit of time. 52 00:02:47,413 --> 00:02:50,037 But the story will come out, Jack. 53 00:03:01,886 --> 00:03:04,366 I’ve got to warn you, it’s a shithole in here. 54 00:03:04,473 --> 00:03:07,800 I live with four lads. Yous all stink. 55 00:03:09,437 --> 00:03:11,040 All right, lad? 56 00:03:11,647 --> 00:03:13,640 Yeah, I’m very well, thank you. How are you? 57 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,520 Lovely. Yeah, what a beautiful day! 58 00:03:19,813 --> 00:03:22,760 - Are you not going to eat that? - I’m not hungry. 59 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,560 Save it for later. 60 00:03:30,580 --> 00:03:31,880 How are you feeling? 61 00:03:35,933 --> 00:03:37,520 Been doing anything exciting? 62 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:41,600 Watching the telly? 63 00:03:42,246 --> 00:03:44,120 Any boxsets you’d like to recommend? 64 00:03:45,370 --> 00:03:47,440 I haven’t been watching much telly. I’ve just... 65 00:03:47,660 --> 00:03:49,160 just been on the computer. 66 00:03:50,632 --> 00:03:52,412 What did you say? 67 00:03:53,010 --> 00:03:55,730 I’ve not been watching telly. I’ve been on the computer. 68 00:03:56,670 --> 00:03:59,240 {\an8}You’re being careful about what websites you’ve been going on? 69 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,400 - Robbie? - You’re telling me what to do again. 70 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,000 Yeah, I am telling you what to do, yeah. 71 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,036 Because if you’ve been getting in touch with any of your old 72 00:04:08,102 --> 00:04:10,344 pals from National Action, or if you’ve been looking 73 00:04:10,424 --> 00:04:13,560 at some kind of Combat 18 website or the BNP 74 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,160 or whatever right-wing shite you used to look at, 75 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,908 then this trial will collapse and you’ll end up in prison. 76 00:04:20,302 --> 00:04:22,730 Where we’re from, most people end up in prison anyway, don’t they? 77 00:04:22,837 --> 00:04:25,080 - Oh, what kind of comment’s that? - All right, come on. 78 00:04:25,193 --> 00:04:26,667 Wish I was going to prison 79 00:04:26,793 --> 00:04:28,680 instead of standing in court grassing on people. 80 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,663 Will you shut up about being a grass? 81 00:04:30,757 --> 00:04:32,760 {\an8}Who are you trying to protect anyway? 82 00:04:32,991 --> 00:04:34,360 {\an8}Jack Renshaw? 83 00:04:34,524 --> 00:04:37,040 {\an8}Because he’s just been convicted for grooming young boys. 84 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,520 We’ve only got your word for that though. You could be trying to trick us. 85 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:41,760 Why would I wanna trick you? 86 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,320 - I don’t know. Why wouldn’t you? - Are you stupid or something? 87 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,320 - Stupid? Why am I stupid? - You’re an ungrateful little twat. 88 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:48,440 - Hey, that’s enough! - Yeah. 89 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,320 - Yeah, all of this. - All of this?! 90 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,880 - Look at all this you’ve got here... - Look, will you pack it in? 91 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,400 Please, the two of you, you’re worse than the boys! 92 00:04:55,682 --> 00:04:57,640 You, get in the shower. 93 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,120 Wash your hair! 94 00:04:59,500 --> 00:05:02,674 And you, you can get the hoover out. 95 00:05:27,173 --> 00:05:28,200 I’m sorry 96 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,680 if I sounded ungrateful before, but... 97 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,308 I just don’t like it. It’s full of Blacks and Asians. 98 00:05:34,428 --> 00:05:35,720 Rob, come on. 99 00:05:35,821 --> 00:05:38,133 I know I’m not supposed to say things like that, 100 00:05:38,227 --> 00:05:40,000 but I can’t help it. 101 00:05:40,433 --> 00:05:41,800 It’s the way that I feel. 102 00:05:42,788 --> 00:05:44,565 Well, I know it looks bad but... 103 00:05:44,672 --> 00:05:47,800 No, what looks bad, lad, is if you get caught out lying. 104 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,172 At least if you tell the truth, then noone can trip you up. 105 00:05:54,422 --> 00:05:55,600 Are you expecting anyone? 106 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,395 You’re joking, aren’t you? Nobody else knows I live here. 107 00:06:02,113 --> 00:06:03,520 - All right? - Yeah. 108 00:06:04,286 --> 00:06:06,046 Someone to see you, lad. 109 00:06:06,766 --> 00:06:07,933 Mill! 110 00:06:08,019 --> 00:06:09,380 Hello, baby! 111 00:06:09,466 --> 00:06:11,661 Hello! What you doing? 112 00:06:11,741 --> 00:06:13,680 B-b-b-b-b... Hello! 113 00:06:14,484 --> 00:06:17,663 Well, at least he’s glad to see someone. How is he anyway? 114 00:06:17,817 --> 00:06:19,600 Unhelpful, angry. 115 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,000 Suspicious. 116 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:22,560 Well, his usual jolly self, then. 117 00:06:23,189 --> 00:06:24,680 This could be end of us, you know that? 118 00:06:25,150 --> 00:06:27,011 I mean, if this all goes wrong, then... 119 00:06:27,130 --> 00:06:28,737 our reputation is shot to pieces. 120 00:06:28,844 --> 00:06:31,440 So, it all hangs on a big, sulky racist from Widnes? 121 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:33,880 It’s not funny! 122 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:36,440 She’s got a point. 123 00:06:37,403 --> 00:06:39,989 You need to try and get out, you know, meet people. 124 00:06:40,612 --> 00:06:41,720 What, round here? 125 00:06:41,803 --> 00:06:43,640 Yes, round here. 126 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,800 It’s not doing you any good sitting in that flat all day by yourself. 127 00:06:48,103 --> 00:06:48,996 I’ve... 128 00:06:49,096 --> 00:06:51,560 ruined my life, I know I have. 129 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,280 You have not. 130 00:06:56,173 --> 00:06:58,320 What if they don’t believe me, 131 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,080 the jury? 132 00:07:01,323 --> 00:07:03,150 It’s my word against theirs, isn’t it? 133 00:07:03,260 --> 00:07:04,350 Yeah, 134 00:07:05,050 --> 00:07:06,797 but you’re telling the truth. 135 00:07:12,326 --> 00:07:14,400 I don’t wanna do it any more. 136 00:07:14,786 --> 00:07:16,480 That’s the truth. 137 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,668 I just wanna go back to the way things were before. 138 00:07:29,933 --> 00:07:33,320 Oi, what you playing at? Get to the back of the queue, bruv! 139 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,160 I’m not eating. I’m not eating. 140 00:07:37,479 --> 00:07:39,119 You all right, Chris? 141 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,480 How-How’s it going? 142 00:07:43,707 --> 00:07:45,964 I’ve been hearing whispers about you. 143 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,040 Look, they hacked my phone. 144 00:07:52,153 --> 00:07:55,500 They put all this stuff on it to destroy my reputation. 145 00:07:56,293 --> 00:07:58,280 It’s all fucking lies! 146 00:08:02,773 --> 00:08:05,506 I mean, they’re making me out like I’m some sort of paedo. 147 00:08:08,532 --> 00:08:11,040 Matthew Collins is behind it all. He’s trying to destroy me. 148 00:08:11,841 --> 00:08:14,120 This could make us all look bad. 149 00:08:14,529 --> 00:08:16,269 That won’t happen. 150 00:08:20,660 --> 00:08:22,580 I promise you that won’t happen. 151 00:08:30,273 --> 00:08:32,640 He’s got a big day in front of him tomorrow. 152 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:35,640 Try and make him look respectable, Shimmy. 153 00:08:35,680 --> 00:08:37,040 I’ll do my best. 154 00:08:37,948 --> 00:08:39,880 Who’s at the bar mitzvah? 155 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:41,680 That’s my grandson, Reuben. 156 00:08:44,716 --> 00:08:46,736 I’ll be honest with you, Matthew, 157 00:08:47,036 --> 00:08:48,451 he’s got it tough. 158 00:08:48,591 --> 00:08:50,720 Him and his sisters, they go to the Jewish school. 159 00:08:51,306 --> 00:08:54,346 Whole place surrounded by barbed wire. 160 00:08:55,398 --> 00:08:56,400 Hold still. 161 00:08:57,131 --> 00:08:59,320 Three security guards on the door. 162 00:08:59,723 --> 00:09:01,654 It’s the same with all the Jewish schools. 163 00:09:01,767 --> 00:09:04,767 That it should come to that, eh, in this day and age. 164 00:09:06,946 --> 00:09:08,880 Children having to cross barbed wire 165 00:09:09,613 --> 00:09:11,326 to go to school. 166 00:09:20,326 --> 00:09:22,446 - He looks dapper, don’t he? - Yeah. 167 00:09:22,546 --> 00:09:24,400 You look really handsome, dead smart. 168 00:09:25,033 --> 00:09:26,440 How do you feel? 169 00:09:26,779 --> 00:09:28,219 Like a twat. 170 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,829 Oh, no, like a used car salesman or something. 171 00:09:33,966 --> 00:09:36,305 - I wouldn’t buy life insurance off you. - Stop it! 172 00:09:36,604 --> 00:09:39,211 Don’t listen. Robbie, you look great. 173 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,800 You look like someone who’s doing the right thing. 174 00:09:44,340 --> 00:09:46,300 There he is! 175 00:10:21,393 --> 00:10:22,620 Hey. 176 00:10:23,797 --> 00:10:24,850 You all right? 177 00:10:24,950 --> 00:10:28,343 So, listen, Matthew can’t be here, not until you’ve both given evidence, 178 00:10:28,435 --> 00:10:31,280 but he wanted me to tell you, you look better without the bum fluff. 179 00:10:32,236 --> 00:10:34,960 Come on, you’ll be fine. In here. 180 00:10:36,386 --> 00:10:38,040 Sorry, mate, can I help you? 181 00:10:41,733 --> 00:10:43,846 Are you connected to the case? 182 00:10:44,126 --> 00:10:46,360 - I’m connected with the defence. - Oh, right. 183 00:10:55,353 --> 00:10:56,360 You know him? 184 00:11:00,253 --> 00:11:01,333 No. 185 00:11:01,446 --> 00:11:04,148 He’s just trying to freak you out. Come on, let’s get you some tea. 186 00:11:06,338 --> 00:11:07,560 Court will rise. 187 00:11:24,283 --> 00:11:27,440 Members of the jury, it will be alleged by the Crown 188 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,880 that the defendants hold extreme views. 189 00:11:30,828 --> 00:11:33,400 All of you, I suspect, hold views 190 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,840 which could be described as the very opposite of these. 191 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,273 You’re not racist, 192 00:11:37,373 --> 00:11:40,033 you’re not homophobic, you’re not anti-Semitic. 193 00:11:40,710 --> 00:11:43,880 But it is not a criminal offence in this country 194 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:45,180 just to hold these views, 195 00:11:45,266 --> 00:11:47,720 however repulsive you feel they might be. 196 00:11:48,494 --> 00:11:50,873 We live in a free society 197 00:11:51,290 --> 00:11:54,240 and the law tolerates the holding of these opinions. 198 00:12:11,266 --> 00:12:15,240 Ladies and gentlemen, I appear on behalf of the prosecution. 199 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,385 Mr. Atkinson, I’m going to ask you to pause for a moment there, as... 200 00:12:19,532 --> 00:12:22,080 we need to hear from Mr. Jackson. 201 00:12:23,446 --> 00:12:25,128 - What have you done? - My lord. 202 00:12:25,207 --> 00:12:26,963 I don’t care any more. 203 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:28,962 - It’s too late for me. - Thank you, my lord. 204 00:12:29,035 --> 00:12:30,720 I represent Mr. Renshaw, 205 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,977 and I would seek, with your leave, 206 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,880 that you have him re-arraigned on counts one and two. 207 00:12:36,521 --> 00:12:39,800 - If this is how you wish to proceed. - It is how I’m instructed, Your Lordship. 208 00:12:41,421 --> 00:12:44,200 Jack Renshaw, will you stand up, please? 209 00:12:47,375 --> 00:12:50,000 You are charged on count one of this indictment 210 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,200 of engaging in conduct in preparation of a terrorist act, 211 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,840 namely the murdering of Rosie Cooper MP. 212 00:12:58,432 --> 00:13:01,000 Are you guilty or not guilty? 213 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:02,440 Guilty. 214 00:13:05,878 --> 00:13:09,240 On count two, you are charged with making a threat to kill. 215 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,393 The particulars are that, on July 1st, 2017, 216 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,400 you made a threat to Robbie Mullen 217 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,960 that you would kill DC Victoria Henderson, 218 00:13:17,346 --> 00:13:19,289 intending that Robbie Mullen would fear 219 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,520 that said threat would be carried out. 220 00:13:22,129 --> 00:13:24,480 Are you guilty or not guilty? 221 00:13:25,406 --> 00:13:26,926 Guilty. 222 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,400 Renshaw’s pleaded guilty to the plots to kill. 223 00:13:37,226 --> 00:13:38,920 What? Guilty? 224 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:43,150 Well, but does that mean I don’t have to give any evidence? It’s all over or...? 225 00:13:43,689 --> 00:13:45,080 Not quite, I’m afraid. 226 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:46,902 They’re all still on trial for membership 227 00:13:46,975 --> 00:13:50,080 and Lythgoe’s facing one count of encouragement to murder. 228 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,840 I reckon he’s fallen on his sword to try and bury all the paedo stuff. 229 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:54,920 Stupid. 230 00:13:55,235 --> 00:13:57,228 He at least had a decent shot at a defence, 231 00:13:57,315 --> 00:13:59,600 but... now he’s going to end up with life imprisonment? 232 00:14:00,060 --> 00:14:01,315 He wants the headline to be 233 00:14:01,415 --> 00:14:03,920 “Fascist martyr prepared to kill for the cause.” 234 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,362 And not “Fascist paedo trying to have sex with young boys.” 235 00:14:06,455 --> 00:14:08,233 What about Lythgoe and Hankinson? 236 00:14:08,322 --> 00:14:09,960 He’s trying to take the heat off them. 237 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,174 Mr. Atkinson, if you could pick up from where you left off, please. 238 00:14:13,327 --> 00:14:14,581 My lord. 239 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,160 These defendants stand before you, 240 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,468 accused of their continuing participation 241 00:14:22,595 --> 00:14:24,200 in National Action, 242 00:14:24,830 --> 00:14:27,708 a banned organisation that sought actively 243 00:14:27,761 --> 00:14:30,935 through fear, intimidation and violence 244 00:14:31,050 --> 00:14:32,560 to shape society 245 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,160 in accordance with their beliefs. 246 00:14:38,546 --> 00:14:41,253 Mr. Renshaw had purchased a machete 247 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,120 with which to carry out his plan. 248 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,440 The online marketing for that particular item 249 00:14:46,516 --> 00:14:48,280 describes it as offering 250 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,760 “19 inches of unprecedented piercing 251 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,080 “and slashing power at a market price.” 252 00:14:58,235 --> 00:15:00,440 There is now no doubt, after his guilty pleas, 253 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,280 that Mr. Renshaw planned the murders of Rosie Cooper MP 254 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,640 and Detective Constable Victoria Henderson. 255 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,379 The Crown’s case... 256 00:15:08,605 --> 00:15:12,069 is that he was given permission to carry out the murder of Rosie Cooper 257 00:15:12,202 --> 00:15:15,581 by the then leader of National Action, Chris Lythgoe, 258 00:15:15,975 --> 00:15:17,367 in the name 259 00:15:17,593 --> 00:15:19,493 of that organisation. 260 00:15:22,190 --> 00:15:25,720 My lord, I call Robbie Mullen. 261 00:15:33,306 --> 00:15:35,560 Mr. Mullen, it’s time. 262 00:16:19,326 --> 00:16:22,480 Place your right hand on the Bible and read from the card. 263 00:16:28,352 --> 00:16:30,680 “I-I swear by almighty God 264 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,960 “that the evidence I shall give 265 00:16:33,524 --> 00:16:35,800 “shall be the truth, the whole truth 266 00:16:36,226 --> 00:16:38,434 “and nothing but the truth.” 267 00:16:47,006 --> 00:16:49,320 Could you confirm your name, please? 268 00:16:49,706 --> 00:16:50,840 Robbie Mullen. 269 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,279 A little about you to start with, Mr. Mullen. 270 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,480 Where in the country did you grow up? 271 00:16:56,483 --> 00:16:59,160 Widnes, which is in the north-west. 272 00:16:59,660 --> 00:17:02,760 Your school days came to somewhat of an abrupt end. 273 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,680 An incident involving you swearing at a teacher? 274 00:17:06,686 --> 00:17:08,200 Yeah. 275 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,440 And you’ve drifted from job to job since then, 276 00:17:10,514 --> 00:17:12,400 no real direction in your life? 277 00:17:13,811 --> 00:17:14,880 I suppose so. 278 00:17:16,120 --> 00:17:19,000 When did you join National Action? 279 00:17:19,865 --> 00:17:21,480 2015. 280 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,320 The gentlemen sitting in the dock, 281 00:17:23,966 --> 00:17:27,886 are they all known to you through that organisation? 282 00:17:30,966 --> 00:17:31,986 Yeah. 283 00:17:32,133 --> 00:17:35,520 My lord, could Mr. Mullen speak up, please? I couldn’t hear his reply. 284 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,572 Do try and project your voice 285 00:17:37,659 --> 00:17:40,252 to the back of the court, please, Mr. Mullen. 286 00:17:41,306 --> 00:17:42,706 Sorry. 287 00:17:43,076 --> 00:17:44,209 Yeah. 288 00:17:46,653 --> 00:17:49,880 You and they were all members of the organisation before the ban? 289 00:17:50,660 --> 00:17:52,652 - Yeah. - And were you all still members 290 00:17:52,719 --> 00:17:55,880 after the ban on National Action at the end of 2016? 291 00:17:56,813 --> 00:17:58,707 - Yeah. - After the ban, 292 00:17:58,820 --> 00:18:01,570 did there come a time when you had contact with Matthew Collins, 293 00:18:01,690 --> 00:18:04,960 who worked for the organisation Hope Not Hate? 294 00:18:05,294 --> 00:18:06,840 - Yeah. - For what reason? 295 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,387 I couldn’t tell you, really. 296 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,800 - I knew I just needed to get out of there... - My lord, 297 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,812 I’m sorry, he has a tendency to drop his head down, drop his voice down. 298 00:18:16,925 --> 00:18:20,400 Perhaps try moving a little closer to the microphone please, Mr. Mullen. 299 00:18:24,966 --> 00:18:26,306 Sorry. 300 00:18:27,740 --> 00:18:30,520 On page 20 of the bundle, 301 00:18:31,048 --> 00:18:33,520 we can see an email you had screenshot-ed 302 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,560 and forwarded to Matthew Collins. 303 00:18:37,670 --> 00:18:39,599 - Yeah. - It was an encrypted email 304 00:18:39,672 --> 00:18:41,694 you’d received from Chris Lythgoe, 305 00:18:41,780 --> 00:18:43,800 where he was talking about recruiting new members 306 00:18:43,895 --> 00:18:46,317 for National Action in towns in the north-west. 307 00:18:46,433 --> 00:18:47,864 Yeah. 308 00:18:49,354 --> 00:18:51,608 Largely white towns, 309 00:18:51,862 --> 00:18:53,360 and other – 310 00:18:53,706 --> 00:18:58,240 his words – “horrifically Paki-fied” towns. 311 00:19:01,407 --> 00:19:02,520 Yeah. 312 00:19:03,246 --> 00:19:07,781 Next page of the bundle, another email, this one after National Action had been banned. 313 00:19:07,886 --> 00:19:09,770 In it you ask Chris Lythgoe, 314 00:19:09,883 --> 00:19:11,522 “Are you staying leader 315 00:19:11,707 --> 00:19:13,200 “of the overall group?” 316 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,040 And can you read his reply? 317 00:19:18,039 --> 00:19:20,384 “You’re damn fucking right I am. 318 00:19:20,604 --> 00:19:24,025 “I’m the one person with a clear picture 319 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,120 “of where we’re going long-term.” 320 00:19:28,213 --> 00:19:30,741 So, in the period immediately after the ban, 321 00:19:30,835 --> 00:19:32,640 Lythgoe remained in charge? 322 00:19:34,018 --> 00:19:36,618 - Yeah. - And Matt Hankinson? 323 00:19:40,639 --> 00:19:42,426 He was Chris’s 324 00:19:42,580 --> 00:19:44,260 second-in-command. 325 00:19:44,986 --> 00:19:47,600 He handled... security and stuff. 326 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:49,640 And after the ban? 327 00:19:51,526 --> 00:19:53,566 Carried on like before. 328 00:19:54,335 --> 00:19:55,520 They both did. 329 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,880 Let’s turn our attention now to the night of July 1st, 2017. 330 00:20:02,908 --> 00:20:05,454 Did Mr. Renshaw say why he was going to kill 331 00:20:05,554 --> 00:20:07,720 Rosie Cooper and Victoria Henderson? 332 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,866 We believed, at first, it was... 333 00:20:10,345 --> 00:20:11,958 because he was depressed... 334 00:20:12,038 --> 00:20:14,400 about... going to prison for his hate speeches. 335 00:20:15,085 --> 00:20:17,400 But I now know that it was also because 336 00:20:18,141 --> 00:20:21,680 he’d been arrested for grooming young boys and it was about to come out. 337 00:20:22,156 --> 00:20:24,080 What was Mr. Lythgoe’s demeanour 338 00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:26,720 as Mr. Renshaw outlined his plans? 339 00:20:27,819 --> 00:20:29,400 He seemed happy. 340 00:20:29,875 --> 00:20:30,977 Smiling, 341 00:20:31,437 --> 00:20:32,824 nodding his head. 342 00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:35,400 Did he mention the Home Secretary, Amber Rudd? 343 00:20:35,762 --> 00:20:37,017 Yeah. 344 00:20:37,411 --> 00:20:38,338 He said... 345 00:20:38,637 --> 00:20:41,200 Jack should do her instead of Rosie Cooper. 346 00:20:42,174 --> 00:20:44,627 - And what did Mr. Renshaw say? - He said... 347 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,280 she’d be too well protected. 348 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,240 Did Mr. Hankinson say anything? 349 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,357 Yeah. He said, 350 00:20:53,657 --> 00:20:55,484 “You should do a synagogue.” And I said 351 00:20:55,570 --> 00:20:58,263 - there’d be kids there-- - My lord, again, I didn’t hear any of that. 352 00:20:58,330 --> 00:21:00,266 And I’m afraid it’s not just volume. 353 00:21:00,346 --> 00:21:03,272 He has quite a strong accent. I’m finding it difficult to understand. 354 00:21:03,366 --> 00:21:04,536 Mr. Mullen, 355 00:21:04,623 --> 00:21:07,560 once again, I must ask you to speak up. 356 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,560 If you mumble, nobody can understand you. 357 00:21:16,740 --> 00:21:19,240 So, you said there might be children in a synagogue, 358 00:21:19,326 --> 00:21:21,400 and what did Mr. Renshaw say to that? 359 00:21:25,219 --> 00:21:26,920 He said, “All Jews are the same. 360 00:21:27,882 --> 00:21:30,617 “You don’t class a rat by its age.” 361 00:21:30,997 --> 00:21:32,040 He said, 362 00:21:32,361 --> 00:21:34,377 “Vermin is vermin.” 363 00:21:42,273 --> 00:21:46,666 Mr. Mullen, you made a statement to the police describing yourself in 2015, 364 00:21:46,766 --> 00:21:48,600 at the point you joined National Action, 365 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,720 as a “bored young man looking for some identity or path to take.” 366 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,240 Is that right? 367 00:21:54,627 --> 00:21:55,720 If you say so. 368 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,920 It’s not me saying so. It’s what you told the police. 369 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:01,960 - OK. - After leaving school, 370 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,926 you were unemployed and claiming sickness benefit for... 371 00:22:05,366 --> 00:22:06,480 about four years? 372 00:22:08,265 --> 00:22:10,800 Yeah. I had a... a stomach problem. 373 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,120 Were you sick? 374 00:22:12,540 --> 00:22:13,962 For about a year... 375 00:22:14,277 --> 00:22:15,880 - on and off. - For one year. 376 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,320 So, you accept that for three of those four years, 377 00:22:18,380 --> 00:22:20,800 you were fraudulently claiming benefits, then? 378 00:22:21,506 --> 00:22:22,920 It weren’t that simple. 379 00:22:23,606 --> 00:22:25,000 Sometimes, I was sick, 380 00:22:25,434 --> 00:22:28,160 and then I got better. It came and went. 381 00:22:28,849 --> 00:22:30,960 Wearing your National Action hat, 382 00:22:31,632 --> 00:22:34,017 what would your reaction have been, say, to a young 383 00:22:34,051 --> 00:22:35,977 Somali teenager 384 00:22:36,042 --> 00:22:37,304 arriving in this country, 385 00:22:37,381 --> 00:22:39,680 going “on the sick”, with false stomach problems, 386 00:22:40,008 --> 00:22:43,080 and fraudulently claiming three years of benefits? 387 00:22:46,319 --> 00:22:47,719 Dunno. 388 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,960 What did you think of the murder of the MP... Jo Cox? 389 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,160 I thought the guy that did it was a weirdo. 390 00:22:56,702 --> 00:22:59,442 You were asked in your police interview, “Did you think she was a traitor?” 391 00:22:59,522 --> 00:23:00,680 What did you answer? 392 00:23:02,226 --> 00:23:03,320 I don’t remember. 393 00:23:03,663 --> 00:23:05,151 Well, I can tell you. 394 00:23:05,282 --> 00:23:06,480 You said, “Yes.” 395 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,160 So, I obviously did. 396 00:23:08,392 --> 00:23:11,520 But does it say in that interview what time I was talking about? 397 00:23:11,871 --> 00:23:14,640 - It doesn’t really matter, does it, Mr. Mullen? - Well, it obviously does 398 00:23:15,232 --> 00:23:16,760 because I was probably being asked 399 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,080 what I thought about it before she was killed, and not after. 400 00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:21,880 You regarded somebody like Jo Cox, 401 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,868 with her stance on immigration, as a traitor, didn’t you? 402 00:23:25,001 --> 00:23:27,880 Yeah, but that doesn’t mean I thought she deserved to be killed. 403 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,760 Thank you, my lord. No further questions. 404 00:23:34,394 --> 00:23:35,400 Mr. Mullen, 405 00:23:35,654 --> 00:23:38,040 as you know, I appear for Christopher Lythgoe. 406 00:23:38,626 --> 00:23:40,400 After your expulsion from school 407 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,200 and a succession of dead-end jobs, 408 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,480 you found being a member of National Action exciting. 409 00:23:46,808 --> 00:23:48,720 It gave you purpose. There were finally people 410 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,040 in your life that were listening to you. 411 00:23:52,853 --> 00:23:54,580 I suppose so. 412 00:23:54,673 --> 00:23:56,280 You told the police that 413 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,573 the primary purpose of National Action was to... 414 00:23:59,980 --> 00:24:01,600 “start a race war” 415 00:24:02,383 --> 00:24:04,080 and to “take our country back”. 416 00:24:05,500 --> 00:24:07,280 - Yeah. - So, that must mean 417 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,960 that, at that time, you shared those same views? 418 00:24:10,367 --> 00:24:11,880 I never said that I didn’t. 419 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,648 Please speak up, Mr. Mullen. 420 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,720 I never said that I didn’t share those views. 421 00:24:17,625 --> 00:24:18,840 Anti-Jew? 422 00:24:21,746 --> 00:24:23,440 At the time, yeah. 423 00:24:23,686 --> 00:24:24,920 Anti-Black? 424 00:24:25,713 --> 00:24:26,753 Yeah. 425 00:24:26,860 --> 00:24:29,346 Anti-Asian, anti any non-white? 426 00:24:29,846 --> 00:24:30,760 Yeah. 427 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,136 Homophobic? 428 00:24:32,475 --> 00:24:35,076 - You know what “homophobic” means? - Yeah. 429 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,239 He’s the best witness the defence have got. 430 00:24:38,332 --> 00:24:40,480 So, you were for a white Britain 431 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,437 by any means necessary, 432 00:24:42,871 --> 00:24:44,797 including violence? 433 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:47,649 Yeah. 434 00:24:47,773 --> 00:24:49,656 Again, we can’t hear you. 435 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,240 Yeah. 436 00:24:58,353 --> 00:24:59,933 Are you still racist? 437 00:25:00,180 --> 00:25:02,132 Remember, you are under oath. 438 00:25:04,993 --> 00:25:06,393 Yeah. 439 00:25:06,926 --> 00:25:08,606 But less so. 440 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:12,560 Now, 441 00:25:12,741 --> 00:25:15,701 you say you didn’t like the way that things were working out with... 442 00:25:15,861 --> 00:25:18,440 National Action, which is why you wanted to get out. 443 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,760 And yet, after the murder of Jo Cox, 444 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,560 after the organisation was banned, 445 00:25:23,058 --> 00:25:26,800 you still continued to attend meetings. Why is that? 446 00:25:28,079 --> 00:25:29,880 It wasn’t that easy to walk away. 447 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,160 Why not? 448 00:25:33,586 --> 00:25:35,440 I’d spent a lot of time with these people. 449 00:25:40,113 --> 00:25:41,800 They were my friends. 450 00:25:42,940 --> 00:25:45,093 Perhaps you were lonely? 451 00:25:47,126 --> 00:25:48,726 In a way, yeah. 452 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,520 A lonely drifter with a dead-end life, 453 00:25:52,827 --> 00:25:56,040 in search of friendship and approval. 454 00:25:58,513 --> 00:25:59,766 No further questions. 455 00:25:59,873 --> 00:26:02,666 Thank you, Mr. Aylett. Let’s call it a day there 456 00:26:02,740 --> 00:26:05,193 and reconvene on Monday morning. 457 00:26:26,046 --> 00:26:28,320 And the doctor said you’re getting stronger, 458 00:26:28,466 --> 00:26:30,553 and the nurses are well happy with you. 459 00:26:30,666 --> 00:26:33,413 Said I’ll be able to take you for a little walk soon. 460 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,000 No. No, not just yet. No, you can’t have any Guinness yet. 461 00:26:41,926 --> 00:26:43,040 Hello, Matthew. 462 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,520 All right, love? 463 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,800 I’ve got T-shirts and clean underwear. 464 00:26:53,246 --> 00:26:55,720 We hadn’t been down from Liverpool long. 465 00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:58,400 Yours was the first friendly face I remember. 466 00:27:00,639 --> 00:27:03,240 You know, our kid blamed me for me dad leaving, not you. 467 00:27:04,367 --> 00:27:05,960 He said, because I told my mum 468 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,466 when I saw you and my dad in bed together, 469 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,500 then I was a grass... 470 00:27:11,594 --> 00:27:13,480 and it was my fault that he left us. 471 00:27:16,060 --> 00:27:17,360 I’m sorry. 472 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,193 I know now that my dad was to blame, you know. 473 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,785 He was the adult. 474 00:27:23,899 --> 00:27:25,600 You were so young. 475 00:27:29,813 --> 00:27:33,200 You know your mum and dad’s marriage was over long before I came along. 476 00:27:35,635 --> 00:27:38,960 But I suppose I was responsible for him moving out. 477 00:27:39,243 --> 00:27:41,240 Why are you still washing his pants? 478 00:27:45,579 --> 00:27:47,195 I don’t know. 479 00:27:49,615 --> 00:27:51,640 Did you ever meet anyone else? 480 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,180 Yeah. 481 00:27:54,531 --> 00:27:56,371 I married briefly... 482 00:27:56,551 --> 00:27:58,040 to Ray. 483 00:28:01,980 --> 00:28:03,680 He wasn’t your dad. 484 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,720 He was very charismatic. 485 00:28:08,179 --> 00:28:09,899 He still is. 486 00:28:11,647 --> 00:28:13,600 I was in love with him. 487 00:28:22,533 --> 00:28:24,973 Leona, I don’t know how to say this. 488 00:28:29,386 --> 00:28:31,600 I hated you when I was growing up. 489 00:28:33,376 --> 00:28:34,480 OK. 490 00:28:34,702 --> 00:28:36,720 And because you ran off with my dad 491 00:28:37,392 --> 00:28:39,352 and split our house up... 492 00:28:41,426 --> 00:28:42,960 and because you were Black, 493 00:28:44,229 --> 00:28:47,190 I used you as an excuse to hate all Black people. 494 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,600 Well, to me, yous were all to blame. 495 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,197 You know, my head was so warped. 496 00:28:52,297 --> 00:28:55,450 I was filled with so much anger and so much hate, I... 497 00:28:56,996 --> 00:28:59,120 I joined the National Front. 498 00:29:02,118 --> 00:29:05,242 - Are you stupid? - No, no, I’m not. No, Leona, honestly, 499 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,600 I don’t think like that any more. Look, I’m sorry, but... 500 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:10,573 It’s not me. 501 00:29:10,667 --> 00:29:14,480 Do you know what I mean? I’ve spent so long trying to put right what I did. 502 00:29:20,033 --> 00:29:21,560 So, what do you want from me now? 503 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,906 Why are you telling me this? 504 00:29:30,153 --> 00:29:31,600 You want forgiveness? 505 00:29:32,993 --> 00:29:34,440 I think so. 506 00:29:35,186 --> 00:29:36,546 OK. 507 00:29:37,813 --> 00:29:39,574 I forgive you. 508 00:29:41,849 --> 00:29:44,480 But what about everybody else? 509 00:30:13,166 --> 00:30:15,600 - Brenda? - I checked in on Robbie at the flat. 510 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,793 - He’s not there. - Shit! 511 00:30:17,906 --> 00:30:20,274 Neighbour saw him Friday. He’s legged it to Widnes. 512 00:30:20,393 --> 00:30:22,800 Yeah. Yeah, that’s definitely where he’s gone. 513 00:30:34,220 --> 00:30:35,860 - Is it that one? - Yeah. 514 00:30:43,239 --> 00:30:44,240 Natalie? 515 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,333 - I’m Matthew Collins. - I know who you are. 516 00:30:46,419 --> 00:30:48,440 We’ve just come to ask Robbie to come back to London 517 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,560 - to continue giving his evidence. - He’s not here. 518 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,320 Don’t fuck about. We’ve driven for over four hours to get here. 519 00:30:53,538 --> 00:30:55,680 - Sorry about that. - What’s the point? 520 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,634 None of them believe a word I’m saying anyway. 521 00:30:57,701 --> 00:31:00,560 Come back, lad. Renshaw’s been convicted now. All you got to do-- 522 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,806 Stand there while they take the piss out of me, 523 00:31:02,908 --> 00:31:05,301 my pathetic life, the-the way I talk? 524 00:31:05,358 --> 00:31:07,385 - It’s not right, what they putting him through. - What the fuck has me 525 00:31:07,451 --> 00:31:10,920 getting kicked out of school or going on the sick got to do with anything? 526 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,360 Robbie... come back. 527 00:31:14,089 --> 00:31:16,596 - I’m not coming back. - Stop being so fucking selfish! 528 00:31:16,682 --> 00:31:18,560 - You’re behaving like a spoilt brat! - OK, come on. 529 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,040 No, look, there’s people doing everything they can for you. 530 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,253 I put my own family in danger for you. 531 00:31:23,326 --> 00:31:26,000 Now be a man and come back and finish what you started! 532 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,760 - Just fuck off! - No, you fuck off! 533 00:31:28,147 --> 00:31:31,240 - Matt, this isn’t helping! - Look, he’s got to finish this, Natalie. 534 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,203 He doesn’t have to do anything. Now, please, 535 00:31:33,277 --> 00:31:35,920 my brother’s made his decision. Please respect that. 536 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,020 Fucking waste of time that was, wasn’t it? 537 00:32:00,733 --> 00:32:02,973 I don’t care what they say, Robbie. 538 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,740 You’re not the same as them other boys on trial. 539 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,200 I think you’re a good person. 540 00:32:18,573 --> 00:32:20,093 Night-night. 541 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,120 Court will rise. 542 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,480 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. We are ready to start. 543 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,793 - Hello? - The court’s in session. 544 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,640 No one’s seen him. 545 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,680 OK, keep us posted. 546 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:00,720 He’s not turned up. 547 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,400 - What did you say? - He’s not here. 548 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:17,966 Hey, mate. 549 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,493 - All right. - I knew you’d turn up. 550 00:33:20,653 --> 00:33:22,293 I see laughing boy’s back. 551 00:33:24,373 --> 00:33:26,373 Don’t worry about it. 552 00:33:34,053 --> 00:33:37,120 - Hello? - I’m with him now. I told you not to worry. 553 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,360 All right. Nice one, mate. 554 00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:41,346 Thanks, ta-ra. 555 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,400 Right, we’re back on. 556 00:33:44,281 --> 00:33:46,170 - Do you wanna go across? - Yeah. All right. 557 00:33:46,511 --> 00:33:48,317 - I’ll see you later. - See you in a bit, love. 558 00:33:48,424 --> 00:33:51,040 And wasn’t it the case that night, Mr. Mullen, 559 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,520 that Mr. Lythgoe and Mr. Hankinson were both very drunk? 560 00:33:54,129 --> 00:33:56,235 It didn’t seem like they were to me. 561 00:33:56,369 --> 00:33:59,266 When Mr. Renshaw outlined his plans that night, 562 00:33:59,372 --> 00:34:02,000 how sure were you that he was being serious? 563 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:03,400 100%. 564 00:34:03,863 --> 00:34:06,917 - And Mr. Lythgoe’s reaction? - He said something like, 565 00:34:07,143 --> 00:34:09,440 - “Don’t fuck it up.” - Are you sure of that? 566 00:34:09,771 --> 00:34:12,182 Could he not actually have said, by way of comment, 567 00:34:12,322 --> 00:34:13,640 “You’ll only fuck it up”? 568 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:14,635 No. 569 00:34:14,702 --> 00:34:16,440 It was “Don’t fuck it up”. 570 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,720 You see now, I suggest that that wasn’t said, Mr. Mullen. 571 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,280 Well, I suggest it was. 572 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,922 After National Action had been banned... 573 00:34:24,982 --> 00:34:26,760 and things started to quieten down, 574 00:34:27,082 --> 00:34:30,920 isn’t it the case that you started to look elsewhere for excitement? 575 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:32,840 No, that’s not the truth. 576 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,560 You didn’t want to go back to being that bored young man 577 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,347 looking for an identity, did you? 578 00:34:37,461 --> 00:34:40,520 Which is why you sexed up what was actually said in the pub that night... 579 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,040 - That’s ridiculous. - ...so you had something exciting 580 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,920 to offer your new friends at Hope Not Hate. 581 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,885 - No. - Your friends who had sorted out 582 00:34:46,958 --> 00:34:49,760 a flat for you and the ones who took you on holiday to Dublin. 583 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,920 It wasn’t like that. Not a holiday holiday. 584 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,506 You had to give them something nice and juicy, didn’t you? 585 00:34:54,586 --> 00:34:57,760 Because they were the ones that were listening to you now, weren’t they? 586 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,026 I don’t know what you’re going on about. 587 00:35:00,179 --> 00:35:03,209 I’m not making anything up. I heard what I heard. 588 00:35:03,316 --> 00:35:05,320 And you weren’t there, were you, mate? 589 00:35:06,237 --> 00:35:08,120 No further questions, my lord. 590 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,040 - Thank you, Mr. Mullen. - Is that it? 591 00:35:13,707 --> 00:35:15,560 Yes, you may stand down. 592 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,640 Jack Renshaw is a hero! 593 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,760 He’s a nonce, mate, and he got exactly what he deserved, yeah! 594 00:35:28,933 --> 00:35:31,480 My lord, I call Jack Renshaw. 595 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,720 In the pub that night, were you seeking permission 596 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,640 from Chris Lythgoe and National Action 597 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,360 - to do what you had in your mind? - No. 598 00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:39,210 Did he ever say to you, 599 00:35:39,290 --> 00:35:42,400 when you’d revealed your intentions, “Don’t fuck it up”? 600 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,440 No. That sounds like the workings of Mullen’s fantasy. 601 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,320 Were you drunk when you arrived at the pub that night? 602 00:35:49,940 --> 00:35:53,560 Yes. I was intoxicated and I was in a poor mental state. 603 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,362 We were all very drunk, 604 00:35:56,655 --> 00:35:58,547 but Chris is very similar to me, 605 00:35:58,634 --> 00:36:01,360 in the sense that we don’t normally show that we’re drunk. You know, 606 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,015 we talk more, talk louder, but, 607 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,400 well, physically, we don’t particularly look drunk. 608 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,080 Thank you, Mr. Renshaw. Could you wait there, please? 609 00:36:14,819 --> 00:36:17,296 Mr. Renshaw, is it your hatred of the Jews 610 00:36:17,402 --> 00:36:20,280 what led you into extreme right-wing politics? 611 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:23,416 - Because you hate them, don’t you? - Yeah, I do. 612 00:36:23,810 --> 00:36:26,520 - Do you accept that there were gas chambers? - No. 613 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:30,797 Do you accept the holocaust, 614 00:36:30,887 --> 00:36:34,585 that millions of Jews were killed by the Nazis during World War II? 615 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,440 - No, I do not. - Where did they all go, then? 616 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,400 Most of them were put into concentration camps, 617 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,720 but if you look at the statistics 618 00:36:43,820 --> 00:36:47,147 of Jews prior to the war and Jews after the war, 619 00:36:47,567 --> 00:36:49,720 the Jewish population actually increased. 620 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:57,828 So, what was your plan? 621 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,480 What were you going to do with this machete? 622 00:37:02,218 --> 00:37:04,600 I hadn’t really... thought it through. 623 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,948 Chop Rosie Cooper’s head off? 624 00:37:07,561 --> 00:37:09,000 Through the heart, or what? 625 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:11,542 Probably the jugular. 626 00:37:11,649 --> 00:37:14,040 And what were you going to do with this machete on the jugular? 627 00:37:14,933 --> 00:37:16,360 Hack at it. 628 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,400 You said earlier you couldn’t remember anything that had happened at the pub that evening? 629 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,080 - Just snippets. - Just snippets. 630 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:26,360 But do we understand those snippets to include 631 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,523 that you can remember Mr. Hankinson did not mention the synagogue 632 00:37:29,657 --> 00:37:32,090 - as somewhere you might attack instead? - That’s right. 633 00:37:32,197 --> 00:37:34,740 And you can clearly remember that Mr. Lythgoe did not say, 634 00:37:34,833 --> 00:37:36,960 “Make sure you don’t fuck it up”? 635 00:37:37,046 --> 00:37:39,533 Yeah, because that’s just... not something he would say. 636 00:37:39,592 --> 00:37:40,955 Those snippets, 637 00:37:41,069 --> 00:37:44,013 by chance, you remember – the ones that help your friends. 638 00:37:44,103 --> 00:37:47,453 Curious that the rest of the conversation you were too drunk to remember. 639 00:37:47,578 --> 00:37:51,667 Is it that you’re trying to protect your friends, Mr. Renshaw? 640 00:37:51,814 --> 00:37:55,680 Is that why you’re standing there now, lying to the jury? 641 00:38:00,460 --> 00:38:02,140 I haven’t lied. 642 00:38:35,052 --> 00:38:36,431 Are you all right, Bren? 643 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,237 You just make sure you do the fucking business in there, yeah? 644 00:38:42,703 --> 00:38:45,098 That’s the twat who’s giving Robbie grief. 645 00:38:45,187 --> 00:38:46,685 - Is he? - Yeah. 646 00:38:46,907 --> 00:38:49,494 He’s been staring him out, trying to intimidate him. 647 00:38:51,893 --> 00:38:54,948 Hey, gobshite, why don’t me and you go for a little walk after this, eh? 648 00:38:55,035 --> 00:38:57,840 - Any time. - Yeah, any time. Ready when you are. 649 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,857 Mr. Collins, at one point you, yourself, were a mole, weren’t you? 650 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,545 That’s right, yeah. 651 00:39:06,677 --> 00:39:09,720 I was a member of the National Front and then the BNP. 652 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,763 I was passing information to... an anti-fascist magazine. 653 00:39:13,863 --> 00:39:16,640 How did you first come into contact with Robbie Mullen? 654 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,717 He wrote to me... under a false name. 655 00:39:19,883 --> 00:39:22,880 You know, it was pretty clear that he felt trapped at National Action. 656 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,920 It was like he was in a cult and he wanted out. 657 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,800 Did he ever ask for any money for the information he gave you? 658 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:29,360 No, none. 659 00:39:30,546 --> 00:39:31,706 Thank you. 660 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,800 You took Mr. Mullen on holiday, didn’t you, to Dublin? 661 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,360 I wouldn’t exactly call it a holiday. 662 00:39:38,525 --> 00:39:41,545 He needed a breather. To be honest with you, we both did. 663 00:39:41,688 --> 00:39:45,200 Well, the situation was very... tense at the time. 664 00:39:45,696 --> 00:39:49,640 Was that as a reward for coming up with some juicy titbits for your website 665 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,239 and Hope Not Hate magazine? 666 00:39:51,312 --> 00:39:53,932 No. We felt like we had a duty of care towards him, 667 00:39:54,032 --> 00:39:56,600 you know, both for his physical and mental wellbeing. 668 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,159 Well, because, as you said, you’d been there yourself. 669 00:39:59,259 --> 00:40:02,069 All those years ago, that anti-fascist magazine had paid 670 00:40:02,169 --> 00:40:05,504 for an air ticket for you to Australia, hadn’t it? 671 00:40:05,633 --> 00:40:07,437 That’s right, they did, yeah. 672 00:40:08,308 --> 00:40:10,760 Yeah, but there’s a big difference between me and Robbie Mullen. 673 00:40:11,155 --> 00:40:12,186 You see, 674 00:40:12,272 --> 00:40:15,200 I ran off to Australia rather than be called up to face any trial 675 00:40:15,265 --> 00:40:18,560 because I didn’t want to be accused publicly as an informant. 676 00:40:19,734 --> 00:40:22,401 You know, I didn’t wanna be called a grass. 677 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,240 You see, me and Robbie come from a similar background and we both know what that means. 678 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,080 But he’s got the courage to come back and face the people he’s accusing. 679 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,036 Very commendable, I’m sure. 680 00:40:32,156 --> 00:40:34,000 - No, what I’m saying is-- - Thank you, my lord. 681 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,742 What I’m saying... 682 00:40:36,195 --> 00:40:39,120 is Robbie Mullen’s a better man than me. 683 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,440 Court will rise. 684 00:40:52,833 --> 00:40:56,813 Foreman of the jury, have you reached verdicts upon which you are all agreed? 685 00:40:56,919 --> 00:40:58,440 Yes. 686 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,880 Will the defendants please rise? 687 00:41:06,928 --> 00:41:08,400 On count three, 688 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,560 encouragement to commit murder, 689 00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:13,760 do you find the defendant, Christopher Lythgoe, 690 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,080 guilty or not guilty? 691 00:41:19,700 --> 00:41:21,213 Not guilty. 692 00:41:22,013 --> 00:41:26,120 On count four, membership of a proscribed organisation, 693 00:41:26,453 --> 00:41:29,560 contrary to Section 11 of the Terrorism Act, 694 00:41:29,794 --> 00:41:32,497 do you find the defendant, Jack Renshaw, 695 00:41:32,617 --> 00:41:34,560 guilty or not guilty? 696 00:41:36,713 --> 00:41:38,447 Not guilty. 697 00:41:39,606 --> 00:41:41,143 On the same count, 698 00:41:41,263 --> 00:41:43,960 membership of a proscribed organisation, 699 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,880 do you find the defendant, Matthew Hankinson, 700 00:41:47,324 --> 00:41:49,577 guilty or not guilty? 701 00:41:50,678 --> 00:41:51,680 Guilty. 702 00:41:53,293 --> 00:41:54,759 On the same count, 703 00:41:54,859 --> 00:41:57,320 membership of a proscribed organisation, 704 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,480 do you find the defendant, Christopher Lythgoe, 705 00:42:00,626 --> 00:42:02,600 guilty or not guilty? 706 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,480 Guilty. 707 00:42:13,293 --> 00:42:17,600 The idea that this country should be purged of its ethnic minorities, 708 00:42:17,653 --> 00:42:19,280 its Jews and homosexuals, 709 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,680 and an ideological revolution imposed on the population by force, 710 00:42:23,745 --> 00:42:25,715 is both insidious.. 711 00:42:25,875 --> 00:42:26,880 and evil. 712 00:42:27,208 --> 00:42:30,973 Only a moment’s thought is required to come to the conclusion that 713 00:42:31,060 --> 00:42:33,040 violence and repression 714 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,520 on an unprecedented scale would be needed 715 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,240 to achieve such a reign of terror, 716 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,879 because so many right-minded people would rise up 717 00:42:42,012 --> 00:42:45,232 and oppose these monstrous plans. 718 00:42:59,860 --> 00:43:01,040 All right? 719 00:43:01,713 --> 00:43:03,180 - Come in. - You OK? 720 00:43:04,477 --> 00:43:06,360 Thanks for looking after him during the trial. 721 00:43:06,444 --> 00:43:08,125 Well, he did that himself. 722 00:43:08,312 --> 00:43:10,280 Nobody can persuade him to do anything he don’t want to. 723 00:43:11,609 --> 00:43:12,640 All right. 724 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:14,760 Ah, ta. 725 00:43:22,653 --> 00:43:24,160 So, go on, then. 726 00:43:24,493 --> 00:43:26,280 What did they get? 727 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,430 Renshaw got life... 728 00:43:29,850 --> 00:43:32,358 with a minimum term of 20 years. 729 00:43:33,353 --> 00:43:36,160 Lythgoe got eight and Hankinson got six. 730 00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:40,960 Rosie Cooper, the MP, 731 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,120 she thanked you at the trial. 732 00:43:43,499 --> 00:43:46,978 She gave a statement, saying how grateful she was for what you did. 733 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,875 She’s supposed to be meeting us at the... 734 00:43:49,961 --> 00:43:52,535 House of Commons today. That’s why I came down here, but... 735 00:43:52,648 --> 00:43:54,573 I was going to go along with you, wasn’t I? 736 00:43:54,655 --> 00:43:56,124 Then why aren’t yous going? 737 00:43:56,221 --> 00:43:58,160 Well, the police cancelled it this morning, 738 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,047 and they told her she can’t meet with Robbie. 739 00:44:01,174 --> 00:44:03,360 Why can’t they just leave it be, eh? 740 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,000 My mum’s got Ellie, and I wanted to do some shopping afterwards. 741 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,600 I was looking forward to it. 742 00:44:08,066 --> 00:44:10,600 That’s what happens to people like us, innit? 743 00:44:12,273 --> 00:44:13,960 Right, get your coat. 744 00:44:14,217 --> 00:44:15,880 - What? - We’re going shopping, come on! 745 00:44:15,992 --> 00:44:18,360 We’ll get the tube into town. Are you coming, Robbie? 746 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:19,800 Absolutely not! 747 00:44:20,833 --> 00:44:22,406 Are you sure? 748 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:23,880 Right. 749 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,535 - I’ll see you later. - Have fun. See you later. 750 00:44:27,655 --> 00:44:29,040 - See you later, love. - Cheers. 751 00:44:29,279 --> 00:44:31,379 Don’t spend too much money! 752 00:44:32,903 --> 00:44:34,920 - You don’t fancy that, lad, no? - No! 753 00:44:36,124 --> 00:44:38,520 I can’t think of anything worse, myself. 754 00:44:41,220 --> 00:44:44,062 I don’t think they believed a word I said, did they... 755 00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:45,560 the jury? 756 00:44:45,925 --> 00:44:47,259 I told you they wouldn’t. 757 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,800 Well, we got the guilty convictions we needed, didn’t we? 758 00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:52,400 Got a couple of non-guilties too, though. 759 00:44:53,215 --> 00:44:55,520 Well, either way, they’re all in prison, aren’t they? 760 00:44:57,699 --> 00:45:00,692 Look, you stopped two women from getting murdered. 761 00:45:01,086 --> 00:45:02,320 Never forget that. 762 00:45:05,786 --> 00:45:06,852 You know, 763 00:45:06,963 --> 00:45:09,392 the best bit of the trial for me, Rob, was... 764 00:45:09,725 --> 00:45:11,720 when they asked you was you still a racist... 765 00:45:13,792 --> 00:45:15,640 and you said, “Less so.” 766 00:45:17,575 --> 00:45:19,502 You know, it’s not just all about people like me 767 00:45:19,575 --> 00:45:21,597 being struck by bolts of lightning and... 768 00:45:21,731 --> 00:45:24,031 suddenly seeing the world differently. 769 00:45:25,319 --> 00:45:27,182 It’s about people like you... 770 00:45:28,633 --> 00:45:30,440 changing just a little bit. 771 00:45:35,166 --> 00:45:38,379 You know, in the words of the late, great Robert Nesta, 772 00:45:38,606 --> 00:45:40,288 “We all have a voice 773 00:45:40,739 --> 00:45:42,520 “inside us that talks to us, 774 00:45:43,052 --> 00:45:45,560 “and that’s the voice we must listen to. 775 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,184 “Because in everything you do, 776 00:45:48,297 --> 00:45:50,760 “there’s a right way and a wrong way. 777 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,840 “And if you listen good, 778 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,320 “you’ll know the right way.” 779 00:45:57,619 --> 00:45:59,299 “Less so.” 780 00:46:00,618 --> 00:46:02,225 I’ll have that, lad. 781 00:46:02,524 --> 00:46:03,920 That’s progress. 782 00:46:09,166 --> 00:46:11,360 Jo Cox. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. 783 00:46:11,466 --> 00:46:14,446 It’s a great privilege to be called to make my maiden speech 784 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,083 in this most important of debates, and I... 785 00:46:17,183 --> 00:46:20,656 congratulate many others who’ve made outstanding maiden speeches today as well. 786 00:46:28,006 --> 00:46:31,100 Batley and Spen is a gathering of typically independent, 787 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,800 no-nonsense, proud Yorkshire towns and villages. 788 00:46:34,959 --> 00:46:38,285 Our communities have been deeply enhanced by immigration, 789 00:46:38,358 --> 00:46:40,720 be it Irish Catholics across the constituency, 790 00:46:40,784 --> 00:46:45,520 or Muslims from Indian Gujarat or Pakistan, principally from Kashmir. 791 00:46:52,826 --> 00:46:55,526 And whilst we celebrate our diversity, 792 00:46:55,626 --> 00:46:59,465 the thing that surprises me, time and time again, as I travel around the constituency, 793 00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:04,280 is that we are far more united and have far more in common than that which divides us.62335

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