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♪♪
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-What can I get for you?
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You want a little table
for your coffee?
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-Yeah, a little table
would be great.
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I got a little visual aid here.
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-I think...
-What's up, y'all?
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-..."Inside the NBA" has been
able to have a 30-year run...
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-Tell us a little bit
about this guy?
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-...because the authenticity
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of everyone who was on it,
starting from Ernie...
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-I mean, is this the first year?
This might be.
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-...to Kenny and Chuck...
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-Don't mess this up!
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-...and Shaq.
-Watch it, young man. Watch it.
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-...everybody brings
their own style to the table.
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You can be you.
He can be him.
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They can be them,
and it all comes together.
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And you have a magical show,
like what you guys have.
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-I've got exceptional hair.
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-The way people looked
at certain television shows
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that had a great cast,
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that's how I look at
"Inside the NBA."
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I'm like, man, this cast --
it just worked out,
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like the way when I used to
watch "Good Times"...
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-Dy-no-mite!
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-...or
"Fresh Prince of Bel-Air."
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-The ultimate one is
"The Odd Couple."
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These shows have influenced
people who are on TV now.
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-I always go back
to "Seinfeld" --
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wasn't the critics' choice.
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-Hey.
-Hey.
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-They stayed with it,
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became maybe the most successful
sitcom of all time.
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-This documentary is
a celebration
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of the 30th season of "Inside."
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-Seems longer.
Ah, sorry. Go ahead.
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-Oh, this guy.
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Man, you're a lucky dude,
brother.
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-You want to hear from people
that you, number one, respect,
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number two, love,
and number three,
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are highly entertained by.
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-You can do it.
Usually it's just like that.
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-I mean, "SNL" is a good example
of that.
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I mean, the folks --
you know, it's pop culture,
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so folks feel like
they're connected to it.
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-That's a nice picture.
Thank you.
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-Maybe it started as a show
based just around basketball.
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-Kenny, take one.
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-But it has become something
bigger than just sports.
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-I watch you guys all the time.
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-[ Laughs ]
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-[ Laughs ] Slam it!
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-They got the thing
you can't buy...
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-Ernie, take two.
-Bang!
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Now this is a real show.
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-...and that's chemistry.
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-It's Ernie Johnson
in our Atlanta studio,
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"Inside the NBA."
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-On TNT.
-On TNT.
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-Do it and you'll
feel like that.
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-[Indistinct] everybody.
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-Charles Barkley!
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-[ Laughs ]
-He's under 300!
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-Shaquille O'Neal!
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Can you dig it?!
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-[ Laughs ]
-I'm not making a face, though.
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-I'm not in control!
-[ Laughing ] Okay.
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-Oh, man! Oh!
-[ Laughs ]
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♪♪
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-When I took that phone call
back in 1989 and said,
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"Yeah, I'd love to
come work with you,"
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you never know
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how long that's gonna mean.
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Now I'm sitting here
looking at 30 years
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And it's been remarkable that
we've had that kind of longevity
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'cause you just don't see that
in our business,
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'cause you've always got,
you know, the TV executives
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who always have a better idea,
you know, and that's because,
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hey, the ratings weren't
what they should be,
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so now we need
to try another group,
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or, "I've got a brilliant idea.
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I think these four people
would really mesh."
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And you can't predict chemistry,
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and you can't predict
what's gonna work.
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It just sometimes --
it just happens.
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And that's what happened
with us.
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-Ernie and I -- I think we were
the first to kind of say,
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"Let your personality show.
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You don't have to change
anything about yourself.
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You can do what you want to do.
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You can talk about
what you want to talk about."
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And you could never get
this mix anywhere else.
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-One of the very first shows
we ever did,
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I can recall Charles
asking Kenny --
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you know, he's asked him
something like,
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"So what are you gonna say
about"...
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whatever team we were gonna
be talking about.
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And Kenny just looked at him
and said, "You'll find out."
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-That's what we should show off
[indistinct]
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'cause it's like everyday work,
we're waiting on Kenny.
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-And that really set the tone
for the way the show would go.
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It was gonna be unscripted.
It was gonna be unrehearsed.
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-Can you hand me some flapjacks,
my brother?
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-Yes, sir.
-Ooh, that's hot, brother.
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-That's 'cause
they're hot cakes.
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[ Laughter ]
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-And it was no place to be
if you had a thin skin
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because there were gonna be
shots fired,
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and nobody was immune to it.
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-I hate people like you,
Charles.
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-Why's that?
-Cut your pancakes up first.
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-You gotta cut
your pancakes up first.
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-No, you don't.
You cut them while you go.
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-No, you don't.
-I'm just gonna have some...
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-Do you cut up your steak
before you eat it?
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-Yeah.
-No, you don't.
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-Yes, I do.
-You cut it as you go.
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-No, I don't.
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-I don't know
what Kenny's gonna say.
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I don't know what Chuck's
gonna say.
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Don't know
what Shaq's gonna say,
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'cause that's the way
we do our show.
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-Kenny, come on, man.
-I'm ready.
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-You're not ready.
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-It's that improvisational
creativity.
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You know, I've heard it
described as kind of, you know,
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likened to jazz, the times where
these guys just kind of play.
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Somebody has a beat going,
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and the rest of the guys
just play to that beat
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because they're just kind of
feeling it, they're doing it.
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-"Inside the NBA" is the
benchmark of any sports show,
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maybe even any talk show.
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They're funny.
They're thoughtful.
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They know the game.
The players respect them.
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-It's so silly and stupid.
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We get paid to watch basketball.
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You can't get a better job
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as a ex-basketball player
than that,
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plain and simple.
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But, you know,
the hardest part for us three
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is criticizing players.
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That's the hardest part
of this job.
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So remember the night
Kobe wouldn't shoot?
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-Yeah.
-Yeah.
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-We had that game.
-Yeah.
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-So I went off on him.
I said, you know,
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"Kobe really made me mad
tonight, pissed me off.
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He wouldn't shoot the ball."
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-You called him selfish,
didn't you?
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-That was selfish.
-It was very selfish.
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-Yeah.
-Because normally if they had
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to get down by 20 points,
he would try to take over.
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The truth of the matter --
he was very selfish.
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I get back to my hotel room.
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Kobe starts texting me,
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calling me every M.F.
in the book.
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This goes on for like
45 minutes to an hour,
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and it's like 3:30
in the morning.
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-The fact that the players'
feelings get hurt
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when their uncles say something
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shows that what they say
really matters.
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-Let's talk about
your relationship
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with Charles Barkley, shall we?
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And maybe we can do this now
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and then we can be done with it
and we can just have
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a jolly old time
the rest of the night.
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-I criticized Kobe
in game seven.
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He didn't like it.
He let me know it.
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But I wanted to get his side,
his point of view.
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-The important part is that,
you know, we go out there
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and we play the game,
we play the game to win.
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And obviously we had a strategy
that worked very well
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for us in three games.
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We tried to keep the strategy
going in game seven
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and the other games as well.
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Didn't work out for us,
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But we're out there
trying to win.
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So, you know,
to label me as being selfish
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was something that I took up
with Charles.
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-You don't want to have
something snowballing
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or lingering or left unsaid.
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And I thought that was really
a good way to do that...
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-Yeah.
-...that was kind of,
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"Look, you're in here.
You've talked it out.
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We're all good."
-It's never personal.
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-Never.
-Never.
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-It's always interesting when,
you know,
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you see Hall of Famers
up there speaking on your game.
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When it's negative,
you're like,
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"Man, I wish he didn't say that
about me."
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And when it's positive,
you feel, like,
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some sense of validation.
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-And it's good!
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-I get criticized a lot
from those guys, besides E.J.
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E.J. kind of, you know --
E.J.'s good, but --
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Kenny, too --
but Shaq and Charles,
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I appreciate it, to be honest,
because they're Hall of Famers.
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-They say good things.
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They may say things
that I don't like.
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You got to take the crookeds
with the straights.
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It's all truthful, though.
I will tell you that.
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-They sit up there and
they shoot their shit,
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they say what they say,
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and you either respect it
or not.
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And they don't hold back,
especially Chuck.
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They don't hold back,
but you respect it
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because they actually
putting in the work.
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A lot of people just think
they're just getting up there
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and just riffing
and things of that nature,
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but they're putting in the work.
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-And he had 22 points, right?
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So when Charles and I
make comments like,
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"He's not playing well,"
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people just think it's hate.
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It's not that it's hate.
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It's that we see greatness
in him.
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22 is okay,
but it ain't great.
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-When we criticize these guys,
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they think we're
the "Get off my lawn" old guys.
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-Yeah. I've always made a symbol
for big guys, right, Kenny?
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Seven points quarter.
-Yeah.
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-If you're a big guy
and you dominate,
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you should average
28, 10, 28, 15.
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-A lot of players
probably won't admit it,
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but they listen
to every single word they say.
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-I do think they're right.
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I think I need to, you know,
be more aggressive,
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and I gotta make a change.
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-Joel Embiid 38 points tonight
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in Philadelphia's win
in Boston.
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-Listen, we don't expect you
to get 38 points every night,
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but we need you to be aggressive
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because when you're
a great player --
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and you are a great player --
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you have to set the tone for
your team every single night.
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-You know, I'm definitely
gonna use that
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and try to get better
every single night
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and bring it every single night.
Thank you.
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-I'm glad he responded
like that.
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I'm just giving you
answers to the test.
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If you want the answers
to the test
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so you can become
the valedictorian, cool.
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If not, no problem with me.
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-In addition to talking hoop,
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we do like to have a good time.
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-When I meet people,
they just says,
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"Man, you guys make us laugh.
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Y'all make us enjoy
watching basketball."
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And that's a great reward.
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-One of the greatest blessings
in my life
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is to have a job where,
when I go into work,
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I know I'm gonna laugh
before the day's over.
253
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That's a good thing.
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[ Rapping ]
♪ My name's Ernie Johnson
but they call me E.J. ♪
255
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♪ I host a little show
called "Inside the NBA" ♪
256
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[ Cheering ]
-♪ I'm ready to go ♪
257
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♪ I got to go ♪
258
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♪ I'm gonna tell you
all about it ♪
259
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♪ Watch me now ♪
260
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-Put the gun down.
[ Laughter ]
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-Get him, Kenny.
Oh!
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-♪ I'm gonna show you
all about it ♪
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-There you go.
-♪ Watch me now ♪
264
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♪ I'm ready to go ♪
-Ah!
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-He kissed it! Yes!
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-Y'all shut up, man.
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-[ Laughs ] Right?
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-Oh!
-♪ I'm ready to go ♪
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-Oh!
-Concerning!
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[ Laughter ]
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[ Cheering ]
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[ Indistinct talking ]
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-Oh! Doggone.
274
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-Thought it was gonna be
harmless. Oh!
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[ Dinging and pounding ]
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-Hey, man, what did I tell y'all
about that?
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-If all we were concerned
with was basketball games
278
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and basketball scores
and basketball highlights
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and points in the paint,
280
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it would be pretty empty.
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[ Rapping ]
♪ I have to say, yeah ♪
282
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♪ I can't believe
they put me up to this ♪
283
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-Oh!
-Oh!
284
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-He dropped the mic on y'all!
-Oh!
285
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-And the great thing is,
286
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we're allowed to do that.
287
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-When you're on a TV show,
it's not about the actors.
288
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-You guys have my good side?
[ Laughs ]
289
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-Hello.
-How about that?
290
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-Alright, here we go.
-It's about the DP.
291
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-I'm one of the camera guys.
292
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-I am the director.
-It's about the EP.
293
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-Lenny Daniels.
-My name is Drew Watkins.
294
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-Craig Barry.
-It's about the guy
295
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that's running sound.
296
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It's about the guy
that's working lights.
297
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-Oh, my role.
-I am the scenic stagehand.
298
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-Production coordinator.
-Social media producer.
299
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-Associate director.
-'Cause they make you look good.
300
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They make your job easy.
301
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-If you look at all the people
we work with,
302
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I just think
they don't get enough credit.
303
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-I started working on
"Inside the NBA"...
304
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-1997.
-1996.
305
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-1995.
-1985.
306
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-Almost 20 years now.
-Since the '90s.
307
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-What was Turner Sports?
It was a family.
308
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-I started working
at Turner Sports in 1981,
309
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-I started here in 1989.
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-Does that work?
-Back in the day...
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-We were new.
We were innovative.
312
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We were hungry.
We were aggressive.
313
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-The scramble of everything
it took
314
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just to put the show on the air?
315
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Adrenaline was flowing.
316
00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,230
People were [laughs] running
all over the place.
317
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Tapes were flying.
318
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I mean, it was like a scene
out of "Broadcast News."
319
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-There was always this sense,
and we all felt
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like we had to be the best
321
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'cause we were the underdogs
in the business.
322
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-I'm Pat Summerall here with my
colleague John Madden, as usual.
323
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-Hello, everybody.
I'm Bob Costas.
324
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-Now, if that doesn't
whet your appetite,
325
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you're watching
the wrong channel.
326
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-We weren't ABC, NBC,
you know, CBS, ESPN.
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We were TNT.
We had to prove ourselves.
328
00:12:03,333 --> 00:12:06,333
We went out every night
to prove who we were.
329
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-And the sense of accomplishment
330
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after you finished the show
331
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was like, "Holy shit.
332
00:12:13,216 --> 00:12:16,216
I can't believe
we just pulled that off."
333
00:12:16,250 --> 00:12:20,270
-And that sort of underdog,
maverick spirit
334
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that makes the show unique
335
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can be traced all the way back
to the network's founder,
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Ted Turner.
337
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-Did a little research
on the satellite
338
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and found out we could reach
the whole nation.
339
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So I decided to see
if we couldn't do it.
340
00:12:33,233 --> 00:12:35,253
-How come no one else
had thought of that?
341
00:12:35,283 --> 00:12:38,173
-Well, I don't know, you know?
342
00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,130
How come nobody else
thought the world was round
343
00:12:39,166 --> 00:12:40,276
till Columbus came around?
344
00:12:40,316 --> 00:12:44,216
-Listen, a lot of people
use the word visionary.
345
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-Ted truly was a visionary.
346
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-I dedicate the news channel
for America.
347
00:12:51,233 --> 00:12:55,323
-He launched the first-ever
24-hour news network.
348
00:12:55,350 --> 00:12:57,130
-We sign on on June 1.
349
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And barring satellite problems
in the future,
350
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we won't be signing off until
the world ends.
351
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[ Laughter ]
352
00:13:05,116 --> 00:13:09,176
-Ted also knew that sports was
gonna drive distribution,
353
00:13:09,216 --> 00:13:11,146
and sports was gonna drive
viewership.
354
00:13:11,183 --> 00:13:13,323
-Come see the Big League team
and Little League spirit.
355
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And, hey, we're in Atlanta.
356
00:13:15,183 --> 00:13:20,003
-His spirit was to grow,
to build,
357
00:13:20,330 --> 00:13:20,350
so he bought Braves...
358
00:13:20,350 --> 00:13:23,220
-Oh, my goodness!
-...and the Hawks.
359
00:13:23,250 --> 00:13:25,380
-It's showtime! Whoa!
360
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-Play the play!
361
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-He didn't even
really understand
362
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what sports programing was,
363
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but he understood having
the Braves baseball
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and the Hawks games on TBS
was 3 1/2 hours of programming
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they didn't have to fill
with other programming.
366
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-But local sports wasn't enough.
367
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Ted's TBS network would become
the exclusive cable partner
368
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for the entire NBA
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and eventually move
to its current home, TNT.
370
00:13:50,133 --> 00:13:53,503
-Why a fourth network?
371
00:13:53,830 --> 00:13:54,370
-You know, in business,
372
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you're supposed to
keep expanding,
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and we needed another network
to keep expanding.
374
00:14:00,330 --> 00:14:01,170
-Thank you very much.
-Yep.
375
00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:02,380
-Only time I was mad
about being at Turner --
376
00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,330
and I told Ernie this story
and he corrected me.
377
00:14:06,660 --> 00:14:08,230
I said, "Ernie,
I met Ted Turner the other day,
378
00:14:08,266 --> 00:14:10,496
and he didn't even know
who I was."
379
00:14:10,830 --> 00:14:11,300
I said, "Mr. Turner,
nice to meet you.
380
00:14:11,333 --> 00:14:13,663
"And you are?" I said, "Oh,
my name's Shaquille O'Neal
381
00:14:13,100 --> 00:14:14,150
and I work with the..."
382
00:14:14,183 --> 00:14:15,253
"He's a big ol' son of a bitch.
383
00:14:15,283 --> 00:14:17,173
You should just join the Army."
384
00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,170
[ Laughter ]
[ Speaks indistinctly ]
385
00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,830
Ted Turner don't know
that I work for him, and...
386
00:14:23,116 --> 00:14:24,366
-No, first of all, he don't know
that you're Shaquille O'Neal.
387
00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:25,320
-Yeah!
-That's just -- forget that.
388
00:14:25,350 --> 00:14:30,830
-Dude lives in Montana
on the farm, Shaq.
389
00:14:30,116 --> 00:14:32,656
-I came back and said, "Ernie,
Ted didn't know who I was."
390
00:14:32,100 --> 00:14:34,300
He said, "Shaq, Ted --
Ted ain't owned this thing
391
00:14:34,333 --> 00:14:37,003
in about 20 years."
I was like,
392
00:14:37,330 --> 00:14:38,660
"So Ted Turner don't own this?"
393
00:14:38,100 --> 00:14:41,130
[ Laughter ]
394
00:14:41,166 --> 00:14:44,496
-He said, "You're a big dude.
You should just the Army"?
395
00:14:44,830 --> 00:14:46,660
-Yes, he said that.
396
00:14:48,116 --> 00:14:51,346
-"Inside the NBA"
with your host, Fred Hickman.
397
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-When you're ready.
-Okay.
398
00:14:53,366 --> 00:14:55,096
My name is Fred Hickman,
399
00:14:55,133 --> 00:14:59,353
and I was the original host
back in 1989.
400
00:14:59,383 --> 00:15:02,233
I am the OG.
401
00:15:02,266 --> 00:15:05,656
-And so here we are,
and what a thrill it is.
402
00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:07,000
Just think of it --
me making history,
403
00:15:07,330 --> 00:15:08,200
hosting the earliest morning
live NBA show
404
00:15:08,233 --> 00:15:10,383
in the annals of television.
405
00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:12,280
The mere concept makes me
a little bit misty.
406
00:15:12,316 --> 00:15:15,196
-So "Inside the NBA"
was a post-game show produced
407
00:15:15,233 --> 00:15:18,203
for all of our NBA coverage.
408
00:15:18,233 --> 00:15:21,183
It was a really cool show
'cause it was a combination
409
00:15:21,216 --> 00:15:23,326
of Turner Sports
and CNN Sports.
410
00:15:23,366 --> 00:15:27,826
-A little drumroll, please.
-I think it's appropriate.
411
00:15:27,116 --> 00:15:28,826
It was great.
It was just another show.
412
00:15:28,116 --> 00:15:31,656
And, you know,
I love basketball, so I did it,
413
00:15:31,100 --> 00:15:33,270
and then I got to work
with some really great people.
414
00:15:33,300 --> 00:15:35,160
-It wasn't as fancy.
415
00:15:35,500 --> 00:15:37,160
It was pretty
basic television back then.
416
00:15:37,500 --> 00:15:39,130
-We start our coverage tonight
in Boston Garden,
417
00:15:39,166 --> 00:15:40,266
and really a tough place for
the Charlotte Hornets to play.
418
00:15:40,300 --> 00:15:43,000
-We had a little
merry-go-round of hosts.
419
00:15:43,330 --> 00:15:44,270
-Hello, I'm Craig Sager.
-Hey, I'm Hannah Storm.
420
00:15:44,300 --> 00:15:46,250
-I'm Vince Cellini.
-I'm Tim Brando.
421
00:15:46,283 --> 00:15:49,133
-Welcome to "Inside the NBA."
422
00:15:49,166 --> 00:15:52,216
-Back in the day, that's kind of
how sports television was done,
423
00:15:52,250 --> 00:15:53,220
especially studio shows.
424
00:15:53,250 --> 00:15:56,180
You had a single anchor
or a pair of anchors,
425
00:15:56,216 --> 00:16:00,096
and they would basically
give you the sports news...
426
00:16:00,133 --> 00:16:01,353
-These guys could be the western
surprise of the year.
427
00:16:01,383 --> 00:16:04,283
-...and information...
-It's been five months
428
00:16:04,316 --> 00:16:06,496
since the Pistons were crowned
champions of the world.
429
00:16:06,830 --> 00:16:09,120
-...and highlights.
-Charles Barkley -- and I mean,
430
00:16:09,150 --> 00:16:11,280
this is a He-Man move
to the hole right there.
431
00:16:11,316 --> 00:16:13,656
-As you go through
the merry-go-round of hosts,
432
00:16:13,100 --> 00:16:17,350
the end game is to find the host
that makes the most sense,
433
00:16:17,383 --> 00:16:21,503
to find the host
that fits the show.
434
00:16:21,830 --> 00:16:22,220
And Ernie was that guy.
435
00:16:22,250 --> 00:16:24,380
-So Ernie Johnson
was a local newscaster
436
00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,280
on Channel 2, WSB,
here in Atlanta.
437
00:16:27,316 --> 00:16:30,366
He had the father history
with the Braves
438
00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,100
and was just an Atlanta guy.
439
00:16:33,133 --> 00:16:34,223
-What does my father think?
440
00:16:34,250 --> 00:16:36,500
Ask him right here.
What do you think?
441
00:16:36,830 --> 00:16:37,320
You've seen them all,
years and years.
442
00:16:37,350 --> 00:16:38,270
-Well, I'll tell you, there's
more excitement right now
443
00:16:38,300 --> 00:16:42,100
than perhaps in 1969
when we won it.
444
00:16:42,133 --> 00:16:44,133
-I think you're a better
sportscaster than your dad.
445
00:16:44,166 --> 00:16:47,176
-I don't know about that.
This is live TV, folks.
446
00:16:47,216 --> 00:16:50,266
When people say,
"follow in my dad's footsteps,"
447
00:16:50,300 --> 00:16:52,120
the only way that
that would have applied
448
00:16:52,150 --> 00:16:55,100
is if I had been able to play
Major League Baseball.
449
00:16:55,133 --> 00:16:56,223
I took that dream as far
as my freshman year
450
00:16:56,250 --> 00:16:59,330
at the University of Georgia,
451
00:16:59,660 --> 00:17:02,500
where I --
I walked on as a freshman
452
00:17:02,830 --> 00:17:03,370
and was told to walk off
as a sophomore.
453
00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:08,280
[ Announcer shouting
indistinctly ]
454
00:17:08,316 --> 00:17:10,246
Even though he was an announcer
for the Braves,
455
00:17:10,283 --> 00:17:13,273
I was not that interested in it.
456
00:17:13,300 --> 00:17:16,500
It was a fun way
to spend the weekends
457
00:17:16,830 --> 00:17:17,270
when you're not in school,
458
00:17:17,300 --> 00:17:19,100
and you tag along with your dad
to the ballpark
459
00:17:19,133 --> 00:17:20,283
and watch him do his job.
460
00:17:20,316 --> 00:17:23,376
So when I did try it,
that's when I discovered
461
00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,230
that getting into the games
for free and covering sports --
462
00:17:27,266 --> 00:17:31,226
that's a pretty good way
to make a living, so it stuck.
463
00:17:31,266 --> 00:17:33,266
Good afternoon.
Whatever was ailing the Braves
464
00:17:33,300 --> 00:17:36,220
as they dropped seven on a nine
to the Dodgers, Giants, and...
465
00:17:36,250 --> 00:17:40,100
Thee folks at TBS and TNT
called me one day
466
00:17:40,133 --> 00:17:43,153
and asked if I wanted to come
and work for them.
467
00:17:43,183 --> 00:17:44,333
And I jumped on it.
468
00:17:44,366 --> 00:17:48,826
-Well, I thought, this guy's
a chip off the old block.
469
00:17:48,116 --> 00:17:49,316
He reminded me
so much of his father
470
00:17:49,350 --> 00:17:54,500
in that he was fair,
and he was engaging.
471
00:17:54,830 --> 00:17:58,230
I always thought that
he was gonna be great
472
00:17:58,266 --> 00:18:01,496
from the first time
I saw him out there,
473
00:18:01,830 --> 00:18:04,100
'cause, look,
he learned from the best.
474
00:18:04,133 --> 00:18:05,283
-As always,
I'm Fred Hickman here,
475
00:18:05,316 --> 00:18:08,096
hoping for God to bless
and for all your jumpers
476
00:18:08,133 --> 00:18:09,133
to hit nothing
but the bottom of the net.
477
00:18:09,166 --> 00:18:10,346
So long for now.
478
00:18:10,383 --> 00:18:14,163
-It was an interesting
transition.
479
00:18:14,500 --> 00:18:15,330
When I was hired by Turner,
480
00:18:15,366 --> 00:18:19,146
the first words out
of their mouth were not,
481
00:18:19,183 --> 00:18:22,283
"Hey, NBA on TNT or on TBS."
482
00:18:22,316 --> 00:18:24,346
It was, "U.S. Olympic Gold."
This was the plan.
483
00:18:24,383 --> 00:18:27,323
"Okay, you're gonna be
going to Seattle.
484
00:18:27,350 --> 00:18:30,230
You're gonna be the host of
Ted Turner's Goodwill Games.
485
00:18:30,266 --> 00:18:33,126
And then there was a shake-up
and suddenly I was not gonna
486
00:18:33,166 --> 00:18:36,126
be the [laughs] host
of the Goodwill Games anymore.
487
00:18:36,166 --> 00:18:38,496
-And now we're gonna learn
a little more
488
00:18:38,830 --> 00:18:40,170
about judo.
489
00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,330
-[Indistinct] know what
their sport is all about.
490
00:18:42,366 --> 00:18:44,326
They also know that
as they take the mat here
491
00:18:44,366 --> 00:18:46,126
at Seattle University,
492
00:18:46,166 --> 00:18:47,826
they're the favorites to win
their weight classes.
493
00:18:47,116 --> 00:18:48,266
That first year that
I was at Turner 8
494
00:18:48,300 --> 00:18:51,330
in the '89-'90 season,
495
00:18:51,660 --> 00:18:52,380
Craig Sager
was hosting at that time.
496
00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:54,100
-Hi, I'm Craig Sager.
497
00:18:54,133 --> 00:18:55,333
It was T.S. Eliot who said,
498
00:18:55,366 --> 00:18:58,146
-In the life of one man,
never the same time returns."
499
00:18:58,183 --> 00:18:59,323
We live in a changing world.
500
00:18:59,350 --> 00:19:01,250
And as you can see from
our new appearance
501
00:19:01,283 --> 00:19:04,383
and our move to TNT,
we're making changes as I speak.
502
00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:09,270
-I actually did some sideline
during the playoffs that year.
503
00:19:09,300 --> 00:19:11,200
-For that story,
let's go to Ernie Johnson
504
00:19:11,233 --> 00:19:12,283
at the Palace. Ernie?
505
00:19:12,316 --> 00:19:14,126
-Thank you very much,
Craig Sager.
506
00:19:14,166 --> 00:19:16,266
What a great New York Knicks
team that was in '69-'70
507
00:19:16,300 --> 00:19:18,270
that beat the Lakers
in seven games.
508
00:19:18,300 --> 00:19:20,350
And then for the '90-'91 season,
they said,
509
00:19:20,383 --> 00:19:23,183
"Okay, we're making
a change here.
510
00:19:23,216 --> 00:19:25,276
Sags is going on the road.
He's gonna be a reporter.
511
00:19:25,316 --> 00:19:30,346
And you're gonna be in the chair
hosting the "NBA on TNT."
512
00:19:30,383 --> 00:19:31,373
Ernie Johnson
in our Atlanta studio.
513
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:36,300
And I've been in that chair
ever since.
514
00:19:36,333 --> 00:19:40,273
-So you started by yourself?
-Yeah, sometimes.
515
00:19:40,300 --> 00:19:43,220
-You know what I remember about
your show as a youngster?
516
00:19:43,250 --> 00:19:46,120
You had a nice
"Star Trek"-looking studio,
517
00:19:46,150 --> 00:19:48,170
and I thought that was --
-A lot of lights and buttons
518
00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,200
that really didn't do anything.
-Yeah, I thought that was --
519
00:19:51,233 --> 00:19:54,133
I thought that was
real futuristic.
520
00:19:54,166 --> 00:19:55,366
I was like, "Damn,
look at the technology
521
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,130
on that studio set."
522
00:19:57,166 --> 00:19:58,496
-The Bulls are halfway through
523
00:19:58,830 --> 00:20:00,220
their regular
season schedule now,
524
00:20:00,250 --> 00:20:02,300
on pace to win 72 games,
525
00:20:02,333 --> 00:20:05,663
which would, of course,
be an NBA record.
526
00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:06,200
They are scary.
527
00:20:06,233 --> 00:20:08,103
-How has that been crazy
for you?
528
00:20:08,133 --> 00:20:13,323
To go from -- we see
you started out as one, two.
529
00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:15,370
Now you got four.
It's got to change.
530
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,320
-It was, but, I mean,
it was so highlight-driven,
531
00:20:18,350 --> 00:20:21,230
and it was all just,
"Give me the shot sheets.
532
00:20:21,266 --> 00:20:23,246
Let's take a look at it.
Let's do this."
533
00:20:23,283 --> 00:20:26,503
And when I did the show
by myself,
534
00:20:26,830 --> 00:20:29,500
it was -- it wasn't as good.
535
00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:30,250
-Can I do this?
-Sure.
536
00:20:30,283 --> 00:20:32,123
-I want to do this.
-Tilt it down a little bit.
537
00:20:32,150 --> 00:20:35,120
-Like that?
-Yep. That's perfect.
538
00:20:35,150 --> 00:20:37,250
-Ah, how was that?
539
00:20:37,283 --> 00:20:39,503
-Pretty good.
-Ah, that's sweet.
540
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:40,500
Hi, I'm Tim Kiley,
541
00:20:40,830 --> 00:20:45,000
a.k.a. Charles Barkley's
fat, obnoxious boss.
542
00:20:45,330 --> 00:20:48,120
I produce "Inside the NBA."
543
00:20:48,150 --> 00:20:53,200
I started here
in August of 1995.
544
00:20:53,233 --> 00:20:55,833
You know, let me tell you
about producing.
545
00:20:55,116 --> 00:20:57,266
-Tim Kiley and I work together
at ESPN,
546
00:20:57,300 --> 00:20:59,160
and I was his production
assistant
547
00:20:59,500 --> 00:21:01,200
on the 2:00 a.m. "SportsCenter."
548
00:21:01,233 --> 00:21:03,173
That show was
a little bit looser,
549
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,830
but never quite as loose as
T.K. would have wanted
550
00:21:06,116 --> 00:21:10,366
because he just wants to
rock 'n' roll.
551
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,150
-Kiley had the same attitude
every show.
552
00:21:13,183 --> 00:21:17,173
He wanted you to leave an impact
that night on the show.
553
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,300
Like, he wanted to hit you,
554
00:21:18,333 --> 00:21:20,333
or he wanted you
to hit somebody.
555
00:21:20,366 --> 00:21:23,196
Not literally,
but that figurative,
556
00:21:23,233 --> 00:21:25,233
"Let's go out there and do it.
Let's have some fun."
557
00:21:25,266 --> 00:21:28,326
-He wanted it to be
a free-flowing discussion,
558
00:21:28,366 --> 00:21:30,266
as opposed to
where we came from at ESPN,
559
00:21:30,300 --> 00:21:32,120
where, you know, everybody
looked right at the camera.
560
00:21:32,150 --> 00:21:35,330
They were pretending to
talk to somebody in a camera.
561
00:21:35,660 --> 00:21:36,230
There's nobody there.
562
00:21:36,266 --> 00:21:38,826
So you're better off talking
to the person next to you.
563
00:21:38,116 --> 00:21:39,226
-Your thoughts on the Spurs?
564
00:21:39,266 --> 00:21:41,156
And in a mini slump
for the guys right now.
565
00:21:41,500 --> 00:21:42,830
-Well, first of all,
this is a great guy team.
566
00:21:42,116 --> 00:21:46,166
They win the Mr. Congeniality
award, but --
567
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,120
-Is that good?
-I think that's a good thing.
568
00:21:48,150 --> 00:21:49,250
I like that.
-Do you?
569
00:21:49,283 --> 00:21:50,283
-It's changed
the scope of sports TV
570
00:21:50,316 --> 00:21:53,196
and talk shows.
571
00:21:53,233 --> 00:21:56,103
That style,
you see every place now.
572
00:21:56,133 --> 00:22:00,163
And that was really started
first at Turner.
573
00:22:00,500 --> 00:22:02,230
-I remember the first time
Tim Kiley had me
574
00:22:02,266 --> 00:22:04,156
on the set for "Inside the NBA."
575
00:22:04,500 --> 00:22:07,130
He said,
"If you look in the camera,
576
00:22:07,166 --> 00:22:09,176
I'm gonna break your arm."
577
00:22:09,216 --> 00:22:11,156
[ Laughing ] He said...
578
00:22:11,500 --> 00:22:15,120
-I just knew that if we got
smart guys and let them go
579
00:22:15,150 --> 00:22:16,380
and took away
all the conventions
580
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,320
that make people uncomfortable,
like looking at a camera,
581
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:27,200
you know, worried about time,
being told what to say --
582
00:22:27,233 --> 00:22:28,383
that, to me, is insane.
583
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,370
And Ernie was -- like me,
was trained local TV,
584
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,320
scripted, a lot of writing.
585
00:22:34,350 --> 00:22:37,300
And, you know, most people take
great pride in their writing.
586
00:22:37,333 --> 00:22:39,173
-It's Ernie Johnson here
with Cheryl Miller,
587
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,000
ready to take you
inside the NBA.
588
00:22:42,330 --> 00:22:44,230
In the first three games
of his comeback at the Forum,
589
00:22:44,266 --> 00:22:46,316
Magic Johnson was a mile high.
Tonight...
590
00:22:46,350 --> 00:22:48,180
-You want the director
and the producer
591
00:22:48,216 --> 00:22:49,326
to be able to follow along
592
00:22:49,366 --> 00:22:50,366
with your lead-in
and then your highlight
593
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,100
and know what was coming up
and that kind of thing.
594
00:22:52,133 --> 00:22:55,353
So, you know, you'd hand out
a script to everybody.
595
00:22:55,383 --> 00:22:58,503
When Tim Kiley,
who came to us from ESPN,
596
00:22:58,830 --> 00:23:02,280
came aboard,
that began to change.
597
00:23:02,316 --> 00:23:04,316
-I knew a guy off-camera who had
a wicked sense of humor,
598
00:23:04,350 --> 00:23:07,500
very dry, very funny.
599
00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:09,830
-Good evening, everybody.
I'm Ernie Johnson.
600
00:23:09,116 --> 00:23:11,316
Well, that's...well...
601
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:14,230
I didn't really like
where that TNT logo was headed,
602
00:23:14,266 --> 00:23:15,366
tell you that.
603
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,270
-But it never came out
on the air because
604
00:23:17,300 --> 00:23:20,250
when you're reading prompter,
you're reading prompter.
605
00:23:20,283 --> 00:23:22,373
You're not talking.
You're announcing.
606
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,320
And you're not who you are.
607
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:26,270
-Well, we gave you extra time.
608
00:23:26,300 --> 00:23:29,660
We saved the highlights
for segment two.
609
00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:30,350
And, by golly, here they come.
610
00:23:30,383 --> 00:23:36,223
-I refer to teleprompter as,
you know, television crack.
611
00:23:36,250 --> 00:23:38,330
So one night
I turned prompter off,
612
00:23:38,366 --> 00:23:42,326
and I got a coffee cup
thrown in my direction.
613
00:23:42,660 --> 00:23:43,200
[ Laughs ]
614
00:23:43,233 --> 00:23:46,253
-[ Laughs ]
Yeah, I can talk about that.
615
00:23:46,283 --> 00:23:49,373
There was just one
post-game show in particular.
616
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,280
And, you know, I can't remember
all the details of it.
617
00:23:52,316 --> 00:23:54,196
I just remember I was pretty --
you know, I sucked.
618
00:23:54,233 --> 00:23:57,383
A couple of plays to show you
from later in that game...
619
00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:58,350
It was just bad.
620
00:23:58,383 --> 00:24:01,383
...as Clyde Drexler
takes it to the hole.
621
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,330
Donnell Marshall
of Golden State,
622
00:24:03,366 --> 00:24:05,196
the well-traveled
Donnell Marshall,
623
00:24:05,233 --> 00:24:07,503
gonna get a hold of this thing.
624
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:09,330
I'm kind of leading you along,
just building the suspense.
625
00:24:09,366 --> 00:24:12,996
Tim and I had a conversation
after the show.
626
00:24:13,330 --> 00:24:14,230
And he's like, "Hey, don't --
shake it off.
627
00:24:14,266 --> 00:24:16,826
You know, it's okay,"
and I was like,
628
00:24:16,116 --> 00:24:19,366
"Well, I don't really like this
and I don't like this.
629
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,200
And you could have done this."
630
00:24:21,233 --> 00:24:25,233
And we were both getting
a little more agitated.
631
00:24:25,266 --> 00:24:30,146
-[ Laughs ] No, actually,
it was -- the true story is,
632
00:24:30,183 --> 00:24:32,203
Ernie stormed
into the bathroom,
633
00:24:32,233 --> 00:24:36,103
and I wasn't sure
whether to follow him or not.
634
00:24:36,133 --> 00:24:39,133
-And he followed me
into the bathroom,
635
00:24:39,166 --> 00:24:44,176
[laughs] and I wound up,
at the crux of this argument,
636
00:24:44,216 --> 00:24:45,366
throwing my coffee cup.
637
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,320
-He actually threw the cup
past me at a wall.
638
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:51,200
-And it shattered
all over the place.
639
00:24:51,233 --> 00:24:52,353
And I was hot.
640
00:24:52,383 --> 00:24:54,103
-And some poor guy
was in there taking a leak,
641
00:24:54,133 --> 00:24:55,183
and he jumped out of the john
642
00:24:55,216 --> 00:24:59,316
and ran out [laughs]
like a demon, so...
643
00:24:59,350 --> 00:25:02,170
-And I just kind of said,
"I'll see you tomorrow."
644
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,300
And I walked into my office,
645
00:25:03,333 --> 00:25:05,303
and I gathered up my stuff
and I split.
646
00:25:05,333 --> 00:25:09,503
-He was very angry,
but he knew
647
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:11,370
that it had worked.
648
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,000
You know, we made fun of it
'cause the next day
649
00:25:13,330 --> 00:25:16,330
I brought him a coffee cup
that said, "Going postal."
650
00:25:16,660 --> 00:25:17,380
-And I still have that.
651
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,120
Because of my behavior
the previous night,
652
00:25:20,150 --> 00:25:24,660
the want ads
for a postal worker.
653
00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:26,120
[ Laughs ]
And I remember all I did --
654
00:25:26,150 --> 00:25:28,500
I opened that thing
and I put it down,
655
00:25:28,830 --> 00:25:30,280
and I just started howling.
656
00:25:30,316 --> 00:25:32,156
And that's why I kept the mug.
657
00:25:32,500 --> 00:25:35,170
I mean, that taught me
a huge lesson,
658
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,160
and he taught me
a lot about just,
659
00:25:38,500 --> 00:25:41,270
"Hey, look, you're looking
at basketball games.
660
00:25:41,300 --> 00:25:43,100
Enjoy it, have fun."
661
00:25:43,133 --> 00:25:46,833
-That was kind of the birth
of our relationship.
662
00:25:46,116 --> 00:25:50,496
It was a rough birth
[laughs] but it...
663
00:25:50,830 --> 00:25:52,300
I think it's one of the things
664
00:25:52,333 --> 00:25:56,163
that really helped him
stand out as an anchor.
665
00:25:56,500 --> 00:25:59,500
-And I was just like,
from that point, "I'm in.
666
00:25:59,830 --> 00:26:01,300
Whatever this guy wants to do,
I'm in."
667
00:26:01,333 --> 00:26:04,133
-But it really wasn't until
the arrival of Kenny
668
00:26:04,166 --> 00:26:07,276
that things started to take off.
669
00:26:07,316 --> 00:26:11,096
-Was I part of the decision
making on Kenny Smith?
670
00:26:11,133 --> 00:26:14,153
Look, I've never been
part of the decision making
671
00:26:14,183 --> 00:26:17,303
in this company, really,
I don't think [laughs] ever,
672
00:26:17,333 --> 00:26:20,103
but I know T.K. and I both knew
673
00:26:20,133 --> 00:26:23,183
from these times when Kenny,
late in his career,
674
00:26:23,216 --> 00:26:26,346
would come by and be an analyst
for a night or two.
675
00:26:26,383 --> 00:26:29,233
We welcome you to Atlanta
and the Nike halftime report.
676
00:26:29,266 --> 00:26:30,376
I'm Ernie Johnson.
677
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,000
Our guest all week long
is Kenny Smith.
678
00:26:32,330 --> 00:26:33,150
Tim Kiley and I would look
at each other, and say,
679
00:26:33,183 --> 00:26:36,253
"Man, this guy is just
so natural."
680
00:26:36,283 --> 00:26:39,323
I said, "When he's done --
when his playing days are done,
681
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:41,180
he has to be part of this show."
682
00:26:41,216 --> 00:26:44,116
What do you do now
if Alonzo can't go for a while?
683
00:26:44,150 --> 00:26:46,150
-You try to retract that trade
and bring Ike Austin back.
684
00:26:46,183 --> 00:26:49,153
-Yeah.
I mean, the guy gets it.
685
00:26:49,183 --> 00:26:52,003
He was just a natural.
686
00:26:52,330 --> 00:26:56,120
-Kenny was a very good
point guard.
687
00:26:56,150 --> 00:26:57,330
And I think we saw
when he got to the finals
688
00:26:57,366 --> 00:27:00,656
that he was willing to take
and make big shots.
689
00:27:00,100 --> 00:27:01,230
-Steps ahead of the field!
690
00:27:01,266 --> 00:27:03,196
-You have to be arrogant
to play in the NBA
691
00:27:03,233 --> 00:27:06,153
'cause you're playing
against killers, man.
692
00:27:06,183 --> 00:27:07,303
You're playing against the best.
693
00:27:07,333 --> 00:27:10,233
Michael Jordan
wants to destroy you.
694
00:27:10,266 --> 00:27:11,166
Isaiah Thomas wants
to destroy you.
695
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,160
Larry Bird wanted
to destroy you.
696
00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:16,830
Magic wanted to destroy you.
697
00:27:16,116 --> 00:27:17,226
And you have to have
a certain makeup
698
00:27:17,266 --> 00:27:21,266
to be able to compete
against guys that good.
699
00:27:21,300 --> 00:27:23,150
And Kenny had that makeup.
700
00:27:23,183 --> 00:27:25,253
-These are the kind of threes
he has gotten
701
00:27:25,283 --> 00:27:27,353
all year long for this team.
702
00:27:27,383 --> 00:27:32,163
-The Houston Rockets
are NBA Champions!
703
00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:33,500
-Yeah, he was at
the end of his career,
704
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:35,370
and we used to bring guests in
for two or three days,
705
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,350
and we would coach them up
and try to get them to relax.
706
00:27:37,383 --> 00:27:41,383
But most guys were worried about
their career and still playing.
707
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,370
-But I don't think they're gonna
do it without Jason.
708
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,370
-No, you don't think?
It's not gonna happen? Well...
709
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:47,350
-I think Kenny knew
he was on his last legs,
710
00:27:47,383 --> 00:27:50,303
and this was something
he was thinking about.
711
00:27:50,333 --> 00:27:52,833
-Tim Kiley was like,
"Hey, if you want to
712
00:27:52,116 --> 00:27:56,826
do this for real,
you could actually do it."
713
00:27:56,116 --> 00:27:57,316
And so I was still getting calls
from NBA teams.
714
00:27:57,350 --> 00:28:00,230
"Hey, are you really gonna
want to play one more?
715
00:28:00,266 --> 00:28:03,126
You want to back up? You want
to be in there coaching?
716
00:28:03,166 --> 00:28:05,326
You want to be anything
at this time?"
717
00:28:05,660 --> 00:28:06,320
I was weighing heavily
to do that.
718
00:28:06,350 --> 00:28:09,220
And Craig Sag and I shared
an office space.
719
00:28:09,250 --> 00:28:13,330
And so his cubicle
was right next to mine,
720
00:28:13,660 --> 00:28:14,230
and he overheard a conversation
721
00:28:14,266 --> 00:28:16,296
I was having
with Gregg Popovich.
722
00:28:16,333 --> 00:28:19,373
And he's like, "You're thinking
about going back and playing?"
723
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:20,300
I was like, "Yeah, you know,
724
00:28:20,333 --> 00:28:23,003
I still got a little left
in the tank.
725
00:28:23,330 --> 00:28:25,330
He's like, "Don't you know
you're good at this?
726
00:28:25,660 --> 00:28:27,130
Like, this could be
your career."
727
00:28:27,166 --> 00:28:29,376
And I stopped,
and at that point,
728
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,170
I had never thought about it,
729
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,500
and then I started
asking him questions
730
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:35,100
about a career in broadcasting.
731
00:28:35,133 --> 00:28:37,103
-So we sat down one night,
and I told them,
732
00:28:37,133 --> 00:28:42,833
"Tell me about your NBA moment."
733
00:28:42,116 --> 00:28:44,496
Most people would say,
"Well, my rookie year,
734
00:28:44,830 --> 00:28:46,130
my first game,"
that kind of a thing, you know.
735
00:28:46,166 --> 00:28:48,376
Kenny said, "Oh, no, no, no."
Typical Kenny.
736
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,230
"Wasn't until, like,
I traded to the Rockets."
737
00:28:50,266 --> 00:28:54,176
Well, he'd played
like four years in Sacramento.
738
00:28:54,216 --> 00:28:57,216
But he said to me, "I played
in bigger crowds in high school
739
00:28:57,250 --> 00:28:58,380
than I did in Sacramento.
740
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,830
So I really didn't feel like
I was in the NBA
741
00:29:01,116 --> 00:29:05,166
until I played for the Rockets
and we were in the playoffs."
742
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,330
And he said, "We were playing
the Lakers in the Forum.
743
00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:11,000
We had just scored to go up one,
744
00:29:11,330 --> 00:29:13,000
and the Lakers were coming down
for one final shot."
745
00:29:13,330 --> 00:29:15,130
And he said...
746
00:29:15,166 --> 00:29:16,366
-Magic Johnson's
bringing the ball up court,
747
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,200
and everyone just rises
at the same time.
748
00:29:20,233 --> 00:29:22,333
-And as Kenny told me the story,
I had, like,
749
00:29:22,660 --> 00:29:24,230
hairs on the back of my neck
stood up, and I said,
750
00:29:24,266 --> 00:29:26,166
"Kenny, you're telling that
story on television tonight."
751
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,150
And he did.
-And then I look around,
752
00:29:29,183 --> 00:29:31,203
and I go, "Yeah,
this is playoff basketball."
753
00:29:31,233 --> 00:29:33,333
-You know, what I tried
to preach to those guys was,
754
00:29:33,366 --> 00:29:34,266
I need to know
what it smelled like.
755
00:29:34,300 --> 00:29:37,660
I need to know
what it tasted like.
756
00:29:37,100 --> 00:29:38,830
You know, what was it like
in the locker room?
757
00:29:38,116 --> 00:29:41,296
And when he told that story
about Magic Johnson
758
00:29:41,333 --> 00:29:44,333
walking up the court, I mean,
759
00:29:44,366 --> 00:29:48,126
that was a pretty good picture
of what it must have felt like.
760
00:29:48,166 --> 00:29:50,996
-And that's so rare
because there were guys
761
00:29:51,330 --> 00:29:52,200
that you thought,
762
00:29:52,233 --> 00:29:54,123
"Oh, because of his personality
on the floor
763
00:29:54,150 --> 00:29:55,380
and I've heard him interviewed,
oh, this guy will be great."
764
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,380
And then the red light goes on
and they freeze up.
765
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,830
-It's just dirty back here,
Ernie.
766
00:30:00,116 --> 00:30:01,096
It's just dirty.
-But not Kenny.
767
00:30:01,133 --> 00:30:03,833
Kenny was like, "Hey, let's do
the show. Let's go."
768
00:30:03,116 --> 00:30:04,276
My road dog, as they say.
769
00:30:04,316 --> 00:30:07,346
-Arf! The road dog!
-It's been my pleasure.
770
00:30:07,383 --> 00:30:09,283
And I could ask him anything,
and he had an answer for it.
771
00:30:09,316 --> 00:30:12,296
Isn't there a little danger
there, though,
772
00:30:12,333 --> 00:30:14,503
given his personality?
773
00:30:14,830 --> 00:30:16,160
Do you mess with the chemistry
a little bit?
774
00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:19,220
-One thing that the Lakers
don't lack is confidence.
775
00:30:19,250 --> 00:30:21,380
They have a great deal
of confidence, and these guys --
776
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,280
they don't care about
Dennis Rodman.
777
00:30:23,316 --> 00:30:24,276
Kobe thinks he's a bigger star
than Dennis Rodman,
778
00:30:24,316 --> 00:30:28,366
so it doesn't matter
if he comes to this team.
779
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,150
-We're gonna have
all the highlights
780
00:30:30,183 --> 00:30:32,163
in the next 30 minutes.
781
00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:33,220
He really had a gift
782
00:30:33,250 --> 00:30:36,130
and was really natural
at just being on TV.
783
00:30:36,166 --> 00:30:37,176
-You want to win this game,
Miami?
784
00:30:37,216 --> 00:30:39,276
Put the ball in the basket.
785
00:30:39,316 --> 00:30:41,126
Those were fun years, honestly,
786
00:30:41,166 --> 00:30:45,496
because we were kind of breaking
through the ceiling of things
787
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:48,100
that most people
weren't doing on television.
788
00:30:48,133 --> 00:30:49,183
-Next Friday at 7:00...
789
00:30:49,216 --> 00:30:51,326
-On TNT.
-...on TNT.
790
00:30:51,366 --> 00:30:52,276
[ Laughter ]
791
00:30:52,316 --> 00:30:55,196
We just started
breaking the barriers.
792
00:30:55,233 --> 00:30:58,133
And I think that attracted
Charles 'cause he saw
793
00:30:58,166 --> 00:31:01,296
that we were a little bit
different than everyone else.
794
00:31:01,333 --> 00:31:03,173
But that's the crossover
in nutshell.
795
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,130
-Yeah, and if you were
really playing me,
796
00:31:05,166 --> 00:31:07,166
I would have had the ball first
and you wouldn't have seen it.
797
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,120
When we come back...
798
00:31:08,150 --> 00:31:10,280
-And so once Kenny came,
we started to see
799
00:31:10,316 --> 00:31:12,346
the possibilities
of what we could do.
800
00:31:12,383 --> 00:31:16,373
And then, obviously, Charles
came and it went nuclear.
801
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:23,180
♪♪
802
00:31:23,216 --> 00:31:25,496
-I am not a role model.
803
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:27,330
-Oh, this will be fun.
804
00:31:27,660 --> 00:31:28,250
-I'm not paid
to be a role model.
805
00:31:28,283 --> 00:31:30,323
-You're gonna bring on
the most quotable guy
806
00:31:30,350 --> 00:31:33,330
in the history of the game?
807
00:31:33,660 --> 00:31:34,170
-[ Grunting ]
808
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,500
I'm paid to wreak havoc
on the basketball court.
809
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:41,120
-Every writer and every guy
with a microphone
810
00:31:41,150 --> 00:31:42,120
during Charles'
playing days knew
811
00:31:42,150 --> 00:31:44,220
that if you needed a quote,
you went to Charles,
812
00:31:44,250 --> 00:31:46,230
and it didn't just have
to be about basketball.
813
00:31:46,266 --> 00:31:48,376
-Parents should be role models.
814
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,250
-And now he was gonna
be with us.
815
00:31:51,283 --> 00:31:53,133
And so, yeah, I was pumped.
816
00:31:53,166 --> 00:31:54,996
Charles has always
done it his way.
817
00:31:55,330 --> 00:31:59,830
And that was the story
again tonight at Compaq Center
818
00:31:59,116 --> 00:32:01,326
as he returned
and then bid farewell.
819
00:32:01,366 --> 00:32:04,216
-Norris going to the basket,
lays it up, misses.
820
00:32:04,250 --> 00:32:05,170
-Charles! Charles!
821
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,000
-For the rebound,
it's Charles Barkley!
822
00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:09,230
[ Shouting indistinctly ]
823
00:32:09,266 --> 00:32:13,346
Charles Barkley
gets a bucket in his final game!
824
00:32:13,383 --> 00:32:16,303
-The end of another chapter
for Charles Barkley.
825
00:32:16,333 --> 00:32:19,123
His next chapter will be written
here at Turner Broadcasting,
826
00:32:19,150 --> 00:32:20,230
TNT and TBS.
827
00:32:20,266 --> 00:32:23,096
He'll join us full-time
next year.
828
00:32:23,133 --> 00:32:27,503
How close were you to NBC?
Were we in the picture?
829
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:29,120
-I'd already signed with NBC.
830
00:32:29,150 --> 00:32:33,150
-You had already signed?
-Yeah, verbally.
831
00:32:33,183 --> 00:32:34,223
-[ Laughs ]
How do you sign verbally?
832
00:32:34,250 --> 00:32:37,100
-You had a verbal agreement.
-We had a verbal agreement.
833
00:32:37,133 --> 00:32:38,323
-How do you sign verbally?
-No, no, no.
834
00:32:38,350 --> 00:32:41,300
-I get it.
-You put a pen in your mouth.
835
00:32:41,333 --> 00:32:43,303
-Well, you guys are --
you guys had agreed,
836
00:32:43,333 --> 00:32:46,123
but you just hadn't signed.
-Yeah, agreed. Okay, gotcha.
837
00:32:46,150 --> 00:32:47,350
Well, when he first
came to Turner,
838
00:32:47,383 --> 00:32:50,133
I thought it was gonna be
very interesting.
839
00:32:50,166 --> 00:32:52,276
I wasn't sure.
840
00:32:52,316 --> 00:32:53,266
I thought Ernie and I
had something going
841
00:32:53,300 --> 00:32:56,370
that was making people
take interest.
842
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,200
But after the first hour...
843
00:33:00,233 --> 00:33:02,833
-You're a rookie.
You'll go last.
844
00:33:02,116 --> 00:33:05,496
-...I tapped Ernie
under the desk and I said,
845
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:06,270
"Oh, this is gonna be special."
846
00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:08,380
-Charles Barkley is here.
Welcome aboard.
847
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,270
-Thank you.
Glad to be here.
848
00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:11,350
-And everyone really started
to notice what we were doing.
849
00:33:11,383 --> 00:33:16,333
I just felt he put gasoline
on the fire
850
00:33:16,660 --> 00:33:18,160
that Ernie and I was starting.
851
00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:19,180
I was excited.
852
00:33:19,216 --> 00:33:22,156
-And I think with Charles,
that was one of the most
853
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:24,370
impressive things about him
early on.
854
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,200
You could have fun
with this guy...
855
00:33:26,233 --> 00:33:29,323
-♪ Y-M-C-A ♪
856
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:33,320
-...who was one of the 50
greatest players of all time.
857
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:35,170
-I'm a talented young man.
858
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,320
-What are you stopping for?
859
00:33:36,350 --> 00:33:37,280
And he could laugh at himself.
860
00:33:37,316 --> 00:33:40,196
What do you think he weighs now,
Kenny?
861
00:33:40,233 --> 00:33:43,303
Here's Chuck,
and in those early days...
862
00:33:43,333 --> 00:33:46,323
-I'm gonna be gentle.
-...he's a pretty hefty.
863
00:33:46,350 --> 00:33:48,160
-I'd say 2...
-Oh, no.
864
00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:49,500
-...85.
-Well, you can forget that.
865
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:55,100
-And it's like, "Man,
how much does this guy weigh?"
866
00:33:55,133 --> 00:33:56,333
-Damn!
-Went with 290.
867
00:33:56,366 --> 00:33:58,166
-290?
-3...
868
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,300
-Man this scale ain't right!
869
00:33:59,333 --> 00:34:03,133
Kenny, get on there.
That can't be right.
870
00:34:03,166 --> 00:34:05,276
-And we asked him about it,
and then he would say,
871
00:34:05,316 --> 00:34:08,326
"Look, I'm gonna get down
to my plan weight."
872
00:34:08,660 --> 00:34:10,500
-Kenny, get off the scale!
873
00:34:10,830 --> 00:34:12,280
-337.5.
874
00:34:12,316 --> 00:34:15,496
And here's this future
Hall of Famer
875
00:34:15,830 --> 00:34:17,500
who's got this wonderful soul
876
00:34:17,830 --> 00:34:22,180
and this innate ability to laugh
at others and at himself,
877
00:34:22,216 --> 00:34:24,496
who says,
"Yeah, you can weigh me."
878
00:34:24,830 --> 00:34:26,200
-January the 31st.
-Of 2000 and...?
879
00:34:26,233 --> 00:34:28,373
-2.
-2.
880
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,320
-I'm gonna weigh with nothing
but my drawers on.
881
00:34:30,350 --> 00:34:33,000
-On his show!
-On this show.
882
00:34:33,330 --> 00:34:33,380
-So there it is.
-That's gonna be you?
883
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,660
-Oh, yeah, baby!
-Oh, that's not even...
884
00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:40,220
-Oh, yeah!
-Let's go.
885
00:34:40,250 --> 00:34:44,130
-Well...
-The walk with the entourage.
886
00:34:44,166 --> 00:34:46,276
[ Laughing ]
Here we go.
887
00:34:46,316 --> 00:34:47,266
[ Drumroll ]
888
00:34:47,300 --> 00:34:50,130
-He's under 300!
-Wow! Wow!
889
00:34:50,166 --> 00:34:50,996
He's under 300!
890
00:34:51,330 --> 00:34:54,200
-Charles Barkley, you made it!
891
00:34:54,233 --> 00:34:58,203
Wow! How cool is it that
he's in on doing this stuff?
892
00:34:58,233 --> 00:35:01,503
Very nice.
893
00:35:01,830 --> 00:35:02,230
-Hey!
-There you go.
894
00:35:02,266 --> 00:35:03,376
-There it is, there it is.
-Ladies and gentlemen...
895
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,280
And that led to,
"Hey, you need to work out
896
00:35:06,316 --> 00:35:11,496
more on the Chuck Cycle 5000,
897
00:35:11,830 --> 00:35:12,180
which is a stationary bike
898
00:35:12,216 --> 00:35:15,826
with a Twinkie
hanging from the front.
899
00:35:15,116 --> 00:35:17,116
...to make you really go fast.
900
00:35:17,150 --> 00:35:18,500
-Yeah!
-Honk the horn!
901
00:35:18,830 --> 00:35:20,130
Honk the horn, Chuck!
Honk the horn.
902
00:35:20,166 --> 00:35:22,216
[ Horn squeaks ]
903
00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:23,380
[ Laughter ]
904
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:24,280
-I like this!
905
00:35:24,316 --> 00:35:26,326
-Oh!
-I like this, y'all.
906
00:35:26,366 --> 00:35:29,166
-It was the first time
I thought,
907
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,830
"Oh, this can be more
than a basketball show."
908
00:35:32,116 --> 00:35:33,146
-If you can't make fun
of yourself
909
00:35:33,183 --> 00:35:38,153
and if you can't just laugh
and have a good time with it,
910
00:35:38,183 --> 00:35:40,123
fans are gonna be
turned off immediately.
911
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:44,350
-The fact that we can make fun
of him and he takes it
912
00:35:44,383 --> 00:35:46,233
and he's just such a good sport,
913
00:35:46,266 --> 00:35:48,116
and that's one of the things
that I love so much about him.
914
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:53,330
-I think if you start
taking yourself too serious,
915
00:35:53,660 --> 00:35:55,160
you need to take a step back
and like,
916
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:58,160
"Yeah, man, you really
just dribble a basketball."
917
00:35:58,500 --> 00:35:59,280
I got two words for you --
918
00:35:59,316 --> 00:36:03,216
Steve Nash and Chris Paul,
must-see TV.
919
00:36:03,250 --> 00:36:04,330
-That's more than two words.
920
00:36:04,366 --> 00:36:07,146
-You didn't said, "Two words."
You said, "Quick to the point."
921
00:36:07,183 --> 00:36:09,283
-You said, "I got two words.
922
00:36:09,316 --> 00:36:12,166
"Steve Nash and Chris Paul,
must-see TV."
923
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:18,130
-What "Inside the NBA" did was
that it caused everybody else
924
00:36:18,166 --> 00:36:22,166
to try and change up
and loosen up.
925
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,320
-34 drawers!
-No, no. Turn it around, man.
926
00:36:24,350 --> 00:36:27,130
-"CB"!
-You got the "CB."
927
00:36:27,166 --> 00:36:28,366
Here's the last part
of your gift.
928
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,380
Here's a shoehorn to get in
those bad boys.
929
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,160
[ Laughter ]
930
00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:35,300
-I was at ESPN.
931
00:36:35,333 --> 00:36:40,173
We had Stephen A. Smith, myself,
and for the first time
932
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,150
we started having
more fun on our show.
933
00:36:42,183 --> 00:36:45,383
We would do segments about
crazy things like cooking
934
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,170
or, you know,
who's cooking up
935
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,330
the best chemistry
in the Eastern Conference?
936
00:36:49,366 --> 00:36:51,346
-There you go.
-Oh, man. This is good.
937
00:36:51,383 --> 00:36:54,663
-This was all stuff
that started with "Inside."
938
00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:55,370
-I don't eat vegetables.
939
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,120
The only vegetable I felt like
I could stomach is green beans.
940
00:36:58,150 --> 00:37:00,180
-We grew quickly.
We had the right chemistry.
941
00:37:00,216 --> 00:37:03,366
We had the right people
behind the scenes.
942
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,660
Obviously, we got the right
people in front of the camera
943
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:07,220
at the right time.
944
00:37:07,250 --> 00:37:09,500
-With a man who needs
no introduction.
945
00:37:09,830 --> 00:37:11,330
He provides it himself.
946
00:37:11,660 --> 00:37:12,370
[ Laughter ]
947
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,120
-I think as a studio producer,
948
00:37:15,150 --> 00:37:20,100
it was one of those experiences
where you never quite knew
949
00:37:20,133 --> 00:37:21,253
what was gonna happen next.
950
00:37:21,283 --> 00:37:23,203
-No, no, no!
[ Laughter ]
951
00:37:23,233 --> 00:37:25,273
-When you're in the moment,
I don't think you realize
952
00:37:25,300 --> 00:37:29,150
just how cool it was that
this was kind of the genesis
953
00:37:29,183 --> 00:37:30,373
of what you see now.
954
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,280
-Because of the new contract
with Alex Rodriguez,
955
00:37:34,316 --> 00:37:37,996
he wants to make a comeback,
Charles, now, not in basketball.
956
00:37:38,330 --> 00:37:39,830
Just take a look.
957
00:37:39,116 --> 00:37:41,226
He wants to come back
in baseball.
958
00:37:41,266 --> 00:37:43,996
And Ernie has fed into this.
959
00:37:44,330 --> 00:37:45,100
-Kenny, you think
he's got a shot?
960
00:37:45,133 --> 00:37:46,663
-Come on, Kenny.
-He's got a shot.
961
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:48,330
Is there a doctor in the house?
A shot?
962
00:37:48,366 --> 00:37:50,166
What do you mean, a shot?
He shot at nothing.
963
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,280
Come back over here, man.
964
00:37:51,316 --> 00:37:52,276
-Ladies and gentlemen...
-Forget about it.
965
00:37:52,316 --> 00:37:54,196
-...pleasure to introduce
Clueless Joe Jackson.
966
00:37:54,233 --> 00:37:58,663
-Charles came in and created
chemistry for all three of them.
967
00:37:58,100 --> 00:38:01,200
-Zero plus zero is zero.
Did you know that?
968
00:38:01,233 --> 00:38:03,173
-I did.
-So you're saying
969
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,180
the Washington Wizards right now
are a zero?
970
00:38:05,216 --> 00:38:08,826
-Yep.
-Chicago Bulls are zero?
971
00:38:08,116 --> 00:38:09,156
-Okay.
-And it still equals zero.
972
00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:11,170
-Thank you.
-I'm following you.
973
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,330
-That leads to my favorite stat
of the --
974
00:38:12,366 --> 00:38:14,296
-That's Ebonics
between the brothers.
975
00:38:14,333 --> 00:38:16,253
[ Laughter ]
976
00:38:16,283 --> 00:38:18,133
-And then that's when
we really knew
977
00:38:18,166 --> 00:38:20,246
that there was something
special going on.
978
00:38:20,283 --> 00:38:22,163
-Are you kidding me?!
979
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:23,130
-The home of champions.
980
00:38:23,166 --> 00:38:24,346
-That's ballin', Ernie.
981
00:38:24,383 --> 00:38:29,003
-It just kind of took on
a bigger-than-life feeling.
982
00:38:29,330 --> 00:38:32,150
-Royalty style!
Royalty style, baby!
983
00:38:32,183 --> 00:38:34,333
-That All-Star weekend
in Las Vegas in '07,
984
00:38:34,366 --> 00:38:39,116
you had one of these hyped-up
heavyweight fights,
985
00:38:39,150 --> 00:38:43,280
which was going to feature an
actual heavyweight in Charles,
986
00:38:43,316 --> 00:38:45,176
but was also going to feature
987
00:38:45,216 --> 00:38:47,126
the veteran official
Dick Bavetta.
988
00:38:47,166 --> 00:38:48,296
We need to talk about
989
00:38:48,333 --> 00:38:51,003
this race that's gonna happen
tonight.
990
00:38:51,330 --> 00:38:54,380
I don't even remember
how exactly Charles started in
991
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,220
on Dick Bavetta.
992
00:38:56,250 --> 00:38:57,170
-Well, Charles and I have done
993
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,170
a batch of games together,
and I love it...
994
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,170
-I honestly think this is
much easier than the studio.
995
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,180
-...because you just don't know
what Charles is going to say.
996
00:39:05,216 --> 00:39:08,116
-I like working with Marv better
than I do Ernie and Kenny.
997
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:12,100
-There was one game
we did in Sacramento,
998
00:39:12,133 --> 00:39:14,333
and a very colorful referee,
999
00:39:14,660 --> 00:39:16,220
Dick Bavetta,
was working the game.
1000
00:39:16,250 --> 00:39:19,220
And Dick didn't get back
on a play.
1001
00:39:19,250 --> 00:39:20,330
He was a little slow.
1002
00:39:20,660 --> 00:39:21,370
-How old is Dick Bavetta?
1003
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,370
-I would say late 60s.
1004
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,830
-Oh, you gotta be kidding me.
And he's still officiating?
1005
00:39:27,116 --> 00:39:30,266
I'll donate $10,000
to your favorite charity
1006
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:33,370
if Dick Bavetta can outrun me,
court end-to-end.
1007
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,350
-This became a big thing
on the studio show.
1008
00:39:35,383 --> 00:39:38,373
-I'm waiting, Charles!
1009
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,660
-Dick Bavetta putting some
$5,000 for charity up
1010
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:44,330
and wants to race you
at All-Star weekend.
1011
00:39:44,366 --> 00:39:46,266
-You know what?
-What?
1012
00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:50,250
-I can't believe somebody
67 years old got the audacity
1013
00:39:50,283 --> 00:39:51,383
to try to trash talk.
1014
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:53,270
-To be the greatest
athletes of the world,
1015
00:39:53,300 --> 00:39:55,320
what makes us great
is our competitive nature.
1016
00:39:55,350 --> 00:39:59,220
So if you challenge him,
I know he's going to accept.
1017
00:39:59,250 --> 00:40:01,830
-You can't let Dick beat you,
man.
1018
00:40:01,116 --> 00:40:01,366
Please don't. Please.
1019
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,000
I'm begging you.
Please.
1020
00:40:03,330 --> 00:40:04,200
-I'll take Dick over Charles.
1021
00:40:04,233 --> 00:40:06,133
-I think Charles can suck it up
for two and a half.
1022
00:40:06,166 --> 00:40:09,496
You make it five lengths,
I got Dickie.
1023
00:40:09,830 --> 00:40:11,380
-If it's all even,
there's no way he can win.
1024
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,380
-Whatever happens,
it's gonna be funny.
1025
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,500
[ Laughs ]
1026
00:40:16,830 --> 00:40:20,130
-May have been the worst race
I've ever seen in my life.
1027
00:40:20,166 --> 00:40:24,346
-On your mark, get set, go!
1028
00:40:24,383 --> 00:40:26,333
-Okay.
1029
00:40:26,366 --> 00:40:29,326
-It's like watching
a turtle race a snail.
1030
00:40:29,366 --> 00:40:31,166
-Two and a half to go,
1031
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,330
and Barkley with the advantage.
1032
00:40:33,366 --> 00:40:35,296
-I thought they were gonna
keel over
1033
00:40:35,333 --> 00:40:37,373
after they each took
a couple of steps.
1034
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,230
-It was just magnificent
theater.
1035
00:40:40,266 --> 00:40:42,296
[ Laughing ]
It really was.
1036
00:40:42,333 --> 00:40:45,323
And to see them
come to the finish line,
1037
00:40:45,350 --> 00:40:50,000
and Charles feeling so good
that he's gonna back pedal.
1038
00:40:50,330 --> 00:40:52,160
-Come on, Chuck.
-End-to-end, that is...
1039
00:40:52,500 --> 00:40:54,130
-Come on, Chuck, yeah!
1040
00:40:54,166 --> 00:40:56,176
-Oh!
1041
00:40:56,216 --> 00:40:58,326
-Oh, no!
1042
00:40:58,660 --> 00:40:59,660
[ Laughter ]
1043
00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:00,660
-It's Charles!
-No, Chuck got it.
1044
00:41:00,100 --> 00:41:02,200
Chuck got it.
-Somehow!
1045
00:41:02,233 --> 00:41:04,173
-Chuck got it.
-Aw!
1046
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,150
-[ Laughing ]
It was ridiculous.
1047
00:41:06,183 --> 00:41:09,333
It really --
it was ridiculous.
1048
00:41:09,660 --> 00:41:14,350
But it was also just so much
of what our show is all about,
1049
00:41:14,383 --> 00:41:18,833
and then to have it
punctuated by, you know,
1050
00:41:18,116 --> 00:41:20,216
Dick giving Charles a kiss
right on the lips.
1051
00:41:20,250 --> 00:41:23,200
And if you've been around
Dick Bavetta at all,
1052
00:41:23,233 --> 00:41:24,373
he does that to everybody.
1053
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,150
He see you after he hasn't
seen you in awhile,
1054
00:41:26,183 --> 00:41:28,663
and he gives you a big kiss.
1055
00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:33,230
But that frame
is frozen for eternity.
1056
00:41:36,166 --> 00:41:37,246
-I'm Tara August.
1057
00:41:37,283 --> 00:41:39,663
I'm vice president
of talent relations
1058
00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:40,280
and special projects.
1059
00:41:40,316 --> 00:41:43,266
I've been working on
"Inside the NBA" since 2005.
1060
00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:45,100
-I bought some cigarettes,
y'all.
1061
00:41:45,133 --> 00:41:46,183
-Why'd you buy cigarettes?
1062
00:41:46,216 --> 00:41:48,496
-'Cause I just gotta
say something.
1063
00:41:48,830 --> 00:41:50,230
After I went through security,
I needed a cigarette.
1064
00:41:50,266 --> 00:41:52,296
-Oh, my!
[ Cymbal crash ]
1065
00:41:52,333 --> 00:41:55,333
-Whoo!
-There are times that I cringe,
1066
00:41:55,660 --> 00:41:58,370
and there are times when I know
the public may not like this,
1067
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,300
the league may not like this,
1068
00:42:00,333 --> 00:42:02,373
and sort of trying to decide,
1069
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,320
you know, did we cross the line?
1070
00:42:04,350 --> 00:42:06,270
-They gave me the pat-down.
1071
00:42:06,300 --> 00:42:08,370
-[ Laughs ]
There's actual footage here?
1072
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,170
-Did we do something wrong?
1073
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:11,000
-I needed a cigarette.
1074
00:42:11,330 --> 00:42:14,300
-[ Laughs ] Ah!
1075
00:42:14,333 --> 00:42:17,303
-Charles 100%
makes us nervous as hell
1076
00:42:17,333 --> 00:42:20,273
because he thinks
he has diplomatic immunity.
1077
00:42:20,300 --> 00:42:22,660
-Dude touched my junk.
1078
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:23,380
-Oh, my gosh.
1079
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,830
-Yeah, how do you --
how do you --
1080
00:42:26,116 --> 00:42:28,316
-Guess what he said to me after
that really offended me, Ernie.
1081
00:42:28,350 --> 00:42:29,200
-What?
-He said, "I guess it ain't true
1082
00:42:29,233 --> 00:42:32,323
what they say."
[ Laughter ]
1083
00:42:32,350 --> 00:42:34,380
-That's the beauty of these guys
being unscripted
1084
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:36,180
is that a lot of times
1085
00:42:36,216 --> 00:42:38,116
they're gonna say something
that entertains us
1086
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:41,660
or makes us think
or challenges us.
1087
00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:42,300
But sometimes
they're gonna say something
1088
00:42:42,333 --> 00:42:44,123
that maybe wasn't perfect.
1089
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:47,330
-Those guys aren't invited
to production meetings,
1090
00:42:47,366 --> 00:42:48,316
with the exception of Ernie.
1091
00:42:48,350 --> 00:42:53,830
-15 minutes.
-See? Sign of a great producer.
1092
00:42:53,116 --> 00:42:55,216
-I brought them in once,
and Charles said,
1093
00:42:55,250 --> 00:42:57,300
"If you ever bring me in one of
these [bleep] things again,
1094
00:42:57,333 --> 00:42:59,663
I'm gonna kill you."
1095
00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:00,330
But then I thought to myself,
what's the point?
1096
00:43:00,660 --> 00:43:02,250
-This is a Bible.
-Yep.
1097
00:43:02,283 --> 00:43:05,203
-I'm praying that Jacque Vaughn
gets off the side tonight.
1098
00:43:05,233 --> 00:43:09,333
-[ Laughs ] What?
-He's got to score tonight.
1099
00:43:09,366 --> 00:43:12,996
-I expect them to know
what to say, what to do.
1100
00:43:13,330 --> 00:43:16,220
-And now we're told
that he has made a layup.
1101
00:43:16,250 --> 00:43:18,000
-He did?
-Yes.
1102
00:43:18,330 --> 00:43:18,333
-See, first of all --
-The power of prayer.
1103
00:43:18,366 --> 00:43:19,346
-The power of prayer!
-There you go.
1104
00:43:19,383 --> 00:43:22,133
-It worked.
1105
00:43:22,166 --> 00:43:23,326
-Why should we have to have
a production meeting?
1106
00:43:23,366 --> 00:43:24,376
And then one of the guys
has a comment.
1107
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,280
And, you know, the producer
says, "Hey, that's great.
1108
00:43:28,316 --> 00:43:29,996
Remember that."
1109
00:43:30,330 --> 00:43:31,200
Well, you know what
they're doing?
1110
00:43:31,233 --> 00:43:33,663
For the next three hours
till the show, they're trying to
1111
00:43:33,100 --> 00:43:34,150
remember what it was
they were supposed to say,
1112
00:43:34,183 --> 00:43:37,663
instead of just
letting it come out.
1113
00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:40,220
-But just being unscripted does
not fully describe the show...
1114
00:43:40,250 --> 00:43:44,180
-What do you think
the world record is for sit-ups?
1115
00:43:44,216 --> 00:43:47,826
-...because there is a structure
and there is a format
1116
00:43:47,116 --> 00:43:48,326
and there is a plan.
1117
00:43:48,660 --> 00:43:50,270
The plan includes
unscripted moments.
1118
00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:52,830
-Ready?
Two, three...
1119
00:43:52,116 --> 00:43:55,266
-Wait. Those aren't legal.
Those are not legal, man.
1120
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:57,130
-The bigger-picture plan
1121
00:43:57,166 --> 00:44:00,096
is to kind of allow that chaos
to reign...
1122
00:44:00,133 --> 00:44:02,383
-I hate y'all, man.
-Oh!
1123
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,330
-I'm serious.
-...and to do it in a way
1124
00:44:05,660 --> 00:44:09,330
where the viewer and, you know,
the people on this show
1125
00:44:09,660 --> 00:44:12,250
are kind of having these
discoveries at the same time.
1126
00:44:12,283 --> 00:44:15,133
[ Laughter ]
1127
00:44:15,166 --> 00:44:16,366
-Are you kidding me?
1128
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,830
-Y'all are rude, man.
Y'all are rude!
1129
00:44:18,116 --> 00:44:20,166
-I'm not ashamed to show that.
1130
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,220
-I am not feeling y'all
right now.
1131
00:44:22,250 --> 00:44:25,230
I am not feeling y'all at all
right now.
1132
00:44:25,266 --> 00:44:27,196
-I remember I'm in a sports bar
and I'm watching it
1133
00:44:27,233 --> 00:44:29,303
and, you know,
it's such a big game,
1134
00:44:29,333 --> 00:44:31,233
they actually have the sound up.
1135
00:44:31,266 --> 00:44:32,176
And so they get to halftime.
1136
00:44:32,216 --> 00:44:35,096
And Ernie turns to Charles
and he says,
1137
00:44:35,133 --> 00:44:37,273
"Hey, Charles, what are your
impressions on the first half?"
1138
00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:40,100
And Charles is -- he's not
even paying attention to Ernie.
1139
00:44:40,133 --> 00:44:41,273
He's looking at a monitor
off camera.
1140
00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:44,150
And Charles turns to Ernie,
and he says,
1141
00:44:44,183 --> 00:44:45,183
"Ernie..."
-What?
1142
00:44:45,216 --> 00:44:48,176
-Roy Jones just got knocked out.
1143
00:44:48,216 --> 00:44:49,376
Oh, my God,
1144
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:50,270
I wasn't paying attention
to that game.
1145
00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:52,230
Roy Jones just got knocked out.
1146
00:44:52,266 --> 00:44:55,096
-And so Ernie says,
"Yeah, but Charles,
1147
00:44:55,133 --> 00:44:57,233
we're here to cover basketball,
not boxing."
1148
00:44:57,266 --> 00:45:00,316
And Charles says, "Hey, man,
I've seen the Lakers and Spurs
1149
00:45:00,350 --> 00:45:02,660
play a million playoff games.
1150
00:45:02,100 --> 00:45:03,370
I've never seen Roy Jones Jr.
get knocked out,
1151
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:04,380
and I'm going over here
to watch the fight."
1152
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,180
Now, that had nothing to do
with basketball, okay?
1153
00:45:09,216 --> 00:45:12,496
But I still remember
that moment
1154
00:45:12,830 --> 00:45:15,200
more than I would remember
any analysis that he gave
1155
00:45:15,233 --> 00:45:17,353
about the Spurs running
the pick and roll.
1156
00:45:17,383 --> 00:45:19,283
-Roy Jones got knocked out?
1157
00:45:19,316 --> 00:45:22,316
-And it was six to one.
1158
00:45:22,350 --> 00:45:24,320
Six to one.
-When we come back --
1159
00:45:24,350 --> 00:45:25,230
-I don't mean
Roger Maris, either.
1160
00:45:25,266 --> 00:45:27,346
-And that's the beauty
of Charles.
1161
00:45:27,383 --> 00:45:30,233
And at first,
it threw people off,
1162
00:45:30,266 --> 00:45:32,156
but nobody turned the channel.
1163
00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:35,220
People kept tuning in
because they were like.
1164
00:45:35,250 --> 00:45:38,660
"Well, we don't know what he's
gonna say, and he doesn't care."
1165
00:45:38,100 --> 00:45:40,270
He will literally start talking
about a game in Cleveland
1166
00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:44,160
and end up talking about
the Republican candidate.
1167
00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:46,000
-Yeah, the next governor --
-I'm in shock right now.
1168
00:45:46,330 --> 00:45:47,120
-Are you really?
-Can't believe we don't have
1169
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:48,380
a president-elect.
1170
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,350
I'm disappointed.
I'm just in shock right now.
1171
00:45:51,383 --> 00:45:53,183
They gotta declare a winner.
1172
00:45:53,216 --> 00:45:55,176
They got people voting
who not even alive
1173
00:45:55,216 --> 00:45:57,316
down there in Florida.
1174
00:45:57,350 --> 00:45:59,270
-Let's be totally honest.
1175
00:45:59,300 --> 00:46:03,380
He changed the landscape
of these kind of shows
1176
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:04,320
for everybody.
1177
00:46:04,350 --> 00:46:06,270
-Those people have
along
1178
00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:09,120
The government has done
a terrible job.
1179
00:46:09,150 --> 00:46:11,270
FEMA is a disgrace.
1180
00:46:11,300 --> 00:46:15,180
We've got to get those people
back on their feet,
1181
00:46:15,216 --> 00:46:16,346
get them back in school,
1182
00:46:16,383 --> 00:46:18,353
get them jobs,
and rebuild their communities.
1183
00:46:18,383 --> 00:46:25,383
-Charles made it okay to
go outside the boundaries.
1184
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,130
-He does say whatever he wants.
1185
00:46:27,166 --> 00:46:29,326
You don't like this?
The NBA isn't stupid.
1186
00:46:29,366 --> 00:46:31,196
They know
no matter what he says,
1187
00:46:31,233 --> 00:46:34,133
he's an ambassador for the NBA.
1188
00:46:34,166 --> 00:46:37,276
He's a reason people tune in
to the NBA.
1189
00:46:37,316 --> 00:46:38,326
You know,
what's he gonna say next?
1190
00:46:38,366 --> 00:46:43,156
-It's not easily navigated,
but "Inside the NBA"
1191
00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:46,000
does it, really,
with a great finesse,
1192
00:46:46,330 --> 00:46:49,280
because Charles,
as he has gone on,
1193
00:46:49,316 --> 00:46:51,826
has become more comfortable.
1194
00:46:51,116 --> 00:46:52,826
He's always been outspoken.
1195
00:46:52,116 --> 00:46:55,496
-Some of people don't like
my sense of humor.
1196
00:46:55,830 --> 00:46:57,160
-He's always spoken his mind.
1197
00:46:57,316 --> 00:46:58,366
Turn off your
damn television.
1198
00:46:57,500 --> 00:46:59,000
-This is what I got to say.
1199
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,280
-It's not easy to do,
especially when you're famous,
1200
00:47:01,316 --> 00:47:03,296
and especially when you know
that every sound bite's
1201
00:47:03,333 --> 00:47:05,203
gonna turn into a headline.
1202
00:47:05,233 --> 00:47:07,163
-I'm not gonna change.
1203
00:47:07,500 --> 00:47:09,230
If you don't like me
or the show, turn it off.
1204
00:47:15,183 --> 00:47:17,333
-You've been really honest
and open
1205
00:47:17,660 --> 00:47:18,320
about your personal life,
and if you don't mind,
1206
00:47:18,350 --> 00:47:23,000
I'd like to ask you about
2003 to 2006.
1207
00:47:23,330 --> 00:47:25,100
-Oh, let's see
where I start with that.
1208
00:47:25,133 --> 00:47:29,303
Um...2003 was tough.
1209
00:47:29,333 --> 00:47:32,833
Um...
1210
00:47:32,116 --> 00:47:34,156
Um...
1211
00:47:34,350 --> 00:47:37,500
This is a great time
to unveil...
1212
00:47:34,500 --> 00:47:37,830
And welcome back to "Inside."
1213
00:47:37,830 --> 00:47:39,830
I had this feeling
that something maybe was wrong
1214
00:47:39,116 --> 00:47:41,826
because I had this -- I had --
1215
00:47:41,116 --> 00:47:45,346
I could feel this thing
right around here,
1216
00:47:45,383 --> 00:47:47,223
the swelling.
1217
00:47:47,250 --> 00:47:49,160
If I said "Florida"...
1218
00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:53,120
Doctor told me it was
non-Hodgkin's lymphoma,
1219
00:47:53,150 --> 00:47:55,280
and he said,
1220
00:47:55,316 --> 00:47:58,496
"But we're not gonna do anything
about it right now.
1221
00:47:58,830 --> 00:47:59,160
You feel great.
1222
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:02,200
So we're gonna do
this watchful waiting."
1223
00:48:02,233 --> 00:48:05,103
And I'm on the record as saying
that TV people
1224
00:48:05,133 --> 00:48:07,183
are the most insecure people
in the world.
1225
00:48:07,216 --> 00:48:09,096
You know, Kenny thinks it's,
you know,
1226
00:48:09,133 --> 00:48:11,003
athletes and that kind of thing,
1227
00:48:11,330 --> 00:48:12,170
but I know for a fact
1228
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,000
that it's folks like me
who work in TV.
1229
00:48:16,330 --> 00:48:18,180
-It became apparent.
1230
00:48:18,216 --> 00:48:22,156
You could see there was a growth
on his neck,
1231
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:25,200
and I asked him about it,
and he said,
1232
00:48:25,233 --> 00:48:28,503
"Oh, it's nothing.
It's just swollen glands."
1233
00:48:28,830 --> 00:48:30,320
And, you know, he wasn't ready
to go public.
1234
00:48:30,350 --> 00:48:34,500
-I started to get some swelling
in my lymph nodes in 2006,
1235
00:48:34,830 --> 00:48:36,350
um...
1236
00:48:36,383 --> 00:48:39,323
you know, that would signal that
no longer was I asymptomatic.
1237
00:48:39,350 --> 00:48:44,180
I was -- you know,
my lymph nodes were
1238
00:48:44,216 --> 00:48:48,376
starting to show that I was
going through something.
1239
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:50,220
"Inside the NBA"
presented by Hyundai.
1240
00:48:50,250 --> 00:48:51,370
Good evening, everybody.
1241
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,150
The All-Star Game came up
in 2006,
1242
00:48:56,183 --> 00:48:59,003
and I remember showing up
at the arena
1243
00:48:59,330 --> 00:49:02,300
and seeing some of my friends
from the NBA,
1244
00:49:02,333 --> 00:49:06,103
and I could tell that they were
like, "Is everything alright?"
1245
00:49:06,133 --> 00:49:07,223
But nobody was saying anything.
1246
00:49:07,250 --> 00:49:11,160
And that year, the NBA had said,
1247
00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:12,280
"Hey, when we do
the starting lineups
1248
00:49:12,316 --> 00:49:15,116
for the All-Star Game this year,
1249
00:49:15,150 --> 00:49:18,320
we want you on the court
welcoming everybody
1250
00:49:18,350 --> 00:49:21,200
to the NBA All-Star Game 2006.
1251
00:49:21,233 --> 00:49:24,273
Welcome to Toyota Center
in Houston, Texas,
1252
00:49:24,300 --> 00:49:29,180
for the 55th annual
NBA All-Star Game.
1253
00:49:29,216 --> 00:49:32,216
And I was honored to do that.
1254
00:49:32,250 --> 00:49:38,830
And I was also, like, so scared
that I was gonna...
1255
00:49:38,116 --> 00:49:41,156
look like something
wasn't right.
1256
00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:47,130
I told my wife, I said,
"Would you record the game?"
1257
00:49:47,166 --> 00:49:50,376
Um...
1258
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:52,280
And I came home,
and I was like --
1259
00:49:52,316 --> 00:49:53,276
I started looking at the tape.
1260
00:49:53,316 --> 00:49:57,226
This is basketball's
ultimate stage
1261
00:49:57,266 --> 00:50:01,146
where the league's best
put on an amazing display.
1262
00:50:01,183 --> 00:50:02,223
And I had asked her, I said,
"When you watched it,
1263
00:50:02,250 --> 00:50:05,180
did you think that you saw
that something wasn't right?"
1264
00:50:05,216 --> 00:50:09,276
And she said, "Yeah."
1265
00:50:09,316 --> 00:50:13,146
And I watched it,
and I was like --
1266
00:50:13,183 --> 00:50:15,173
I said, "I'm gonna
have to say something."
1267
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,230
-At that point, he was getting
ready to go in for treatment,
1268
00:50:17,266 --> 00:50:19,196
serious treatment,
was gonna have to miss time.
1269
00:50:19,233 --> 00:50:21,303
So I think he figured that was
the best time to explain it.
1270
00:50:21,333 --> 00:50:25,333
And this was
the beginning of Twitter.
1271
00:50:25,660 --> 00:50:26,220
People notice what you wear.
1272
00:50:26,250 --> 00:50:28,170
They notice everything about you
and make comments.
1273
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,170
-Houston,
we have an All-Star Game.
1274
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,370
And I had seen
some stuff online,
1275
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,300
and, you know, "What is up
with Ernie Johnson's face?"
1276
00:50:37,333 --> 00:50:43,283
and -- and some other stuff
that was kind of...
1277
00:50:43,316 --> 00:50:46,656
um...
1278
00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:49,180
a little harsher than that.
1279
00:50:49,216 --> 00:50:50,246
-We taped it.
I remember that.
1280
00:50:50,283 --> 00:50:55,203
We just put him up by himself
1281
00:50:55,233 --> 00:50:56,383
and, you know,
went commercial, commercial.
1282
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:01,660
We didn't have Chuck
and those guys with him.
1283
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:03,500
They obviously reacted later.
1284
00:51:03,830 --> 00:51:05,330
-Alright, by now,
you may have read or heard
1285
00:51:05,366 --> 00:51:08,656
that I'm dealing with something
that millions of people
1286
00:51:08,100 --> 00:51:11,500
in this country
have dealt with -- cancer.
1287
00:51:11,830 --> 00:51:14,200
To me, that was --
it allowed me to kind of
1288
00:51:14,233 --> 00:51:18,323
free up and do my job
without worrying about,
1289
00:51:18,350 --> 00:51:21,160
are people gonna wonder
if something's up?
1290
00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:22,150
I've already told them.
1291
00:51:22,183 --> 00:51:24,133
My intention has been
to not make it public.
1292
00:51:24,166 --> 00:51:26,316
I feel great,
haven't missed a day of work.
1293
00:51:26,350 --> 00:51:29,000
But the swelling of
a lymph node here on my face
1294
00:51:29,330 --> 00:51:33,330
has become noticeable
on the air, and I felt...
1295
00:51:33,660 --> 00:51:35,130
That was just a message.
I just --
1296
00:51:35,166 --> 00:51:37,226
I mean, I've got a mother
and a sister
1297
00:51:37,266 --> 00:51:39,366
who are both cancer survivors.
1298
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,660
And what I wanted to tell people
is, "Look, I've got cancer,
1299
00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:45,660
and I'm not gonna
go into hiding."
1300
00:51:45,100 --> 00:51:48,180
I'm gonna work the rest of
the NBA season and the playoffs
1301
00:51:48,216 --> 00:51:50,316
and this summer
begin a treatment regimen
1302
00:51:50,350 --> 00:51:53,300
that will likely include
some form of chemotherapy.
1303
00:51:53,333 --> 00:51:57,133
And then whether you like it
or not, I'm coming back to work.
1304
00:51:57,166 --> 00:52:01,116
Came back for opening night
the next year.
1305
00:52:01,150 --> 00:52:04,150
Went in --
was in remission from...
1306
00:52:06,166 --> 00:52:09,326
...well, since 2006.
1307
00:52:09,660 --> 00:52:11,330
But it was cool
'cause that opening night,
1308
00:52:11,660 --> 00:52:13,120
the folks at Turner
had put together a tape
1309
00:52:13,150 --> 00:52:18,350
with several of the players
wishing me well and...
1310
00:52:18,383 --> 00:52:21,833
-E.J., it's your boy T-Mac.
1311
00:52:21,116 --> 00:52:23,326
Hope you're having
a great recovery.
1312
00:52:23,366 --> 00:52:25,166
-Yo, what up, E.J.?
1313
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,120
I'm happy everything went well,
man, with everything,
1314
00:52:27,150 --> 00:52:28,280
with all the treatment
and everything.
1315
00:52:28,316 --> 00:52:29,216
-Glad to hear
you're doing so well.
1316
00:52:29,250 --> 00:52:32,160
I couldn't help it.
1317
00:52:32,500 --> 00:52:33,370
You inspired me to get my hair
cut, just like you, man.
1318
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,220
-Glad you're okay, brother.
1319
00:52:35,250 --> 00:52:37,220
You look good
with that bald head.
1320
00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:40,280
-Closed it out with Kobe saying,
"Hey..." you know.
1321
00:52:40,316 --> 00:52:41,366
-Welcome to the land
of the brothers.
1322
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,370
[ Laughs ] Be safe.
God bless you.
1323
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,180
And hopefully I'll see you soon.
1324
00:52:48,216 --> 00:52:50,656
-And that was nice.
1325
00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:52,370
But, um...
1326
00:52:56,330 --> 00:53:00,220
Undeniably, there's this --
these great family ties that...
1327
00:53:02,166 --> 00:53:04,146
...that you feel
in times like that.
1328
00:53:04,183 --> 00:53:07,123
LeBron James joins us
from Cleveland tonight.
1329
00:53:07,150 --> 00:53:09,200
[ Laughter ]
LeBron -- yeah, thank you
1330
00:53:09,233 --> 00:53:11,273
very much for your kind words.
1331
00:53:11,300 --> 00:53:15,370
And you get a real sense
of the NBA family
1332
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,100
at the same time,
1333
00:53:17,133 --> 00:53:19,303
that you got a lot of folks
pulling for you.
1334
00:53:19,333 --> 00:53:25,333
♪♪
1335
00:53:25,660 --> 00:53:26,300
Next.
1336
00:53:26,333 --> 00:53:32,253
♪♪
1337
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,830
-Paper towel, somebody?
-How's it going?
1338
00:53:36,116 --> 00:53:38,276
-Napkin?
-Napkins right there.
1339
00:53:38,316 --> 00:53:41,176
-Man, we been at it
six years now.
1340
00:53:41,216 --> 00:53:42,146
[ Speaks indistinctly ]
1341
00:53:42,183 --> 00:53:45,373
-So, Shaq --
-Michelle, look at the camera
1342
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,000
and make sure my eyes ain't
watering, please, honey-bunny?
1343
00:53:48,283 --> 00:53:50,353
-Ready to start?
1344
00:53:48,330 --> 00:53:50,380
-You got it.
-Thank you.
1345
00:53:50,383 --> 00:53:52,133
-Hi, my name is
Dr. Shaquille O'Neal.
1346
00:53:52,166 --> 00:53:54,316
I'm an NBA TNT analyst
on "Inside the NBA."
1347
00:53:54,350 --> 00:53:58,380
I started working here in 2011.
1348
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:00,830
-Did you watch "Inside the NBA"
when you were a player?
1349
00:54:00,116 --> 00:54:03,176
-I watched "Inside the NBA"
as a player
1350
00:54:03,216 --> 00:54:05,126
for one reason only.
1351
00:54:05,166 --> 00:54:08,496
On a lonely day in 1989,
this guy came to my house.
1352
00:54:08,830 --> 00:54:10,500
You got that footage
of Ernie interviewing me?
1353
00:54:10,830 --> 00:54:12,130
-I spent some time with the Shaq
earlier this week
1354
00:54:12,166 --> 00:54:15,376
and found that he's learned
to play this game one way.
1355
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,370
-No matter who the opponent is,
1356
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,130
you know, just go out
and kill him.
1357
00:54:20,166 --> 00:54:22,116
If he's small, short,
big, fat, tall,
1358
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:23,250
just go out and kill him.
1359
00:54:23,283 --> 00:54:25,223
-[ Laughs ]
Who taught you that?
1360
00:54:25,250 --> 00:54:27,220
-My father.
-[ Laughs ]
1361
00:54:27,250 --> 00:54:30,000
-I always had a affinity
and a great respect
1362
00:54:30,330 --> 00:54:31,830
and a great love for you,
1363
00:54:31,116 --> 00:54:33,096
'cause I talk about this
all the time.
1364
00:54:33,133 --> 00:54:34,203
You don't believe it.
1365
00:54:34,233 --> 00:54:36,253
When Ernie came to my house
in 1989,
1366
00:54:36,283 --> 00:54:38,353
he made me the man
on my little army base.
1367
00:54:38,383 --> 00:54:42,003
You got Ernie Johnson coming
to your crib to interview you?
1368
00:54:42,330 --> 00:54:44,270
And then I was like, you know,
"I'd love to work
1369
00:54:44,300 --> 00:54:47,660
with Ernie, you, and Charles."
1370
00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:48,220
-No, you know what's funny?
1371
00:54:48,250 --> 00:54:51,170
We almost fired you
after three weeks.
1372
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:52,120
When he first got here,
he's like,
1373
00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:55,120
"I want to be Ernie
or Bryant Gumbel."
1374
00:54:55,150 --> 00:54:57,280
Like, "Yo, man."
1375
00:54:57,316 --> 00:55:00,156
-So when he started,
he was terrible.
1376
00:55:00,500 --> 00:55:02,300
He thought things were funny
that weren't funny.
1377
00:55:02,333 --> 00:55:04,173
He didn't want to talk about
basketball ever.
1378
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:09,160
And he really thought he was
just gonna walk on the set
1379
00:55:09,500 --> 00:55:11,270
and be "lights, camera, action,"
great basketball analyst.
1380
00:55:11,300 --> 00:55:14,150
And he wasn't.
1381
00:55:14,183 --> 00:55:15,253
-So the first year I got here,
I was on my Bryant Gumbel trip.
1382
00:55:15,283 --> 00:55:20,163
I wanted to talk intelligent
and move my hands and all that.
1383
00:55:20,500 --> 00:55:23,120
-How much do you weigh, Shaq?
-340, 345.
1384
00:55:23,150 --> 00:55:25,330
-But it looks good in that --
what color is that jacket?
1385
00:55:25,366 --> 00:55:27,096
-This is Orlando pine green.
-Oh.
1386
00:55:27,133 --> 00:55:29,333
-It looks good in there.
-Thank you. Appreciate it.
1387
00:55:29,366 --> 00:55:31,316
-No longer the biggest guy
on the set, Charles.
1388
00:55:31,350 --> 00:55:34,160
-The first thing the critics
said was, "Well, he mumbles,"
1389
00:55:34,500 --> 00:55:37,200
you know,
"He's not well-spoken,"
1390
00:55:37,233 --> 00:55:39,133
or whatever they were saying.
1391
00:55:39,166 --> 00:55:40,316
Well, what they didn't know was
1392
00:55:40,350 --> 00:55:43,100
his father had always
lectured him to not talk,
1393
00:55:43,133 --> 00:55:44,203
let his game talk.
1394
00:55:44,233 --> 00:55:45,353
So, of course, Shaq did this.
1395
00:55:45,383 --> 00:55:47,333
[ Mumbles ]
1396
00:55:47,660 --> 00:55:50,120
And that's what people thought
he spoke like, and he doesn't.
1397
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:52,000
-A lot of people think I mumble.
1398
00:55:52,330 --> 00:55:54,500
No, you need to
turn up your equipment!
1399
00:55:54,830 --> 00:55:56,120
I talk like everyone else.
What are you talking about?
1400
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:59,100
I have a deep voice.
It's not my fault.
1401
00:55:59,133 --> 00:56:00,503
I do not mumble.
Shut it up.
1402
00:56:00,830 --> 00:56:02,330
-I did have to push him
because that was
1403
00:56:02,660 --> 00:56:07,830
his natural feeling,
to talk like that.
1404
00:56:07,116 --> 00:56:10,656
So he had a couple of shows
where he was mumbling
1405
00:56:10,100 --> 00:56:11,180
just 'cause it was habit.
1406
00:56:11,216 --> 00:56:12,366
We had it out once or twice,
1407
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,250
and then he started
to do better.
1408
00:56:15,283 --> 00:56:17,123
Then he goes in and he just
falls backwards into this --
1409
00:56:17,150 --> 00:56:20,330
one half-time,
he just fell all the way back
1410
00:56:20,660 --> 00:56:21,170
into his bad habits.
1411
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,250
I walked downstairs,
and I grabbed him,
1412
00:56:23,283 --> 00:56:24,103
and I was livid.
1413
00:56:24,133 --> 00:56:25,133
-And he ripped me a new one.
1414
00:56:25,166 --> 00:56:27,996
He said, "We didn't
bring you here for that."
1415
00:56:28,330 --> 00:56:31,130
-So when you're M.F.-ing Shaq,
you're doing this, right,
1416
00:56:31,166 --> 00:56:32,326
'cause he's nine feet tall.
1417
00:56:32,660 --> 00:56:35,160
I'm going,
"Son of a bitch!"
1418
00:56:35,500 --> 00:56:36,370
Just calling him every name
and...
1419
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:37,320
-He said, "We don't want you
to do that."
1420
00:56:37,350 --> 00:56:38,330
You want to do that,
go somewhere else."
1421
00:56:38,366 --> 00:56:40,496
-I said, "Are we good?
1422
00:56:40,830 --> 00:56:42,220
Do you understand
what I'm talking about?
1423
00:56:42,250 --> 00:56:44,380
Are we good?"
And he goes, "Yep."
1424
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:46,200
And I turned around,
and he grabbed me
1425
00:56:46,233 --> 00:56:49,663
by the scruff of the neck
and the back of my pants
1426
00:56:49,100 --> 00:56:53,280
and went like this
and picked me up.
1427
00:56:53,316 --> 00:56:56,326
[ Laughing ]
And I'm a fat-ass.
1428
00:56:56,660 --> 00:56:59,180
And it was just like, I looked
down and I went, "Okay?"
1429
00:56:59,216 --> 00:57:01,166
And he went, "I can do this.
1430
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,130
You can do that.
And that's it."
1431
00:57:03,166 --> 00:57:04,996
And then he put me down
as gently
1432
00:57:05,330 --> 00:57:07,320
as if he was
putting a baby down.
1433
00:57:07,350 --> 00:57:12,100
He's a terrifying individual.
[ Laughs ]
1434
00:57:12,133 --> 00:57:13,303
-When you first started,
1435
00:57:13,333 --> 00:57:15,383
did Ernie give you any advice
that you remember?
1436
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:17,200
-He just said,
"Okay, take your time
1437
00:57:17,233 --> 00:57:19,333
and just have fun
and just be you."
1438
00:57:19,660 --> 00:57:20,660
I said, "Oh, you want me
to be the Shaq."
1439
00:57:20,100 --> 00:57:23,250
-Introducing the man
in the middle,
1440
00:57:23,283 --> 00:57:25,333
Shaquille O'Neal!
1441
00:57:25,366 --> 00:57:27,126
Can you dig it?!
1442
00:57:27,166 --> 00:57:31,326
-♪ Dun dun-dun-dun-dun-dun
dun-dun-dun ♪
1443
00:57:31,660 --> 00:57:32,150
Reach back.
1444
00:57:32,183 --> 00:57:33,333
-He wants to make people happy,
1445
00:57:33,366 --> 00:57:36,156
and he wants to
make people laugh.
1446
00:57:36,500 --> 00:57:39,230
-Here we go.
Playoffs coming.
1447
00:57:39,266 --> 00:57:42,266
Not tomorrow.
The next day.
1448
00:57:42,300 --> 00:57:43,150
Where do we begin?
-Where?
1449
00:57:43,183 --> 00:57:46,123
-Is it Miami?
Or is it Boston?
1450
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:49,160
-I don't know.
-Shaq is that guy who is --
1451
00:57:49,500 --> 00:57:51,250
he's an ultimate entertainer
1452
00:57:51,283 --> 00:57:53,103
-You know with freestyle,
the rapping --
1453
00:57:53,133 --> 00:57:54,833
-It was nice!
-Hey, Ernie's light-skinned.
1454
00:57:54,116 --> 00:57:57,496
He knows about
the hip-hop culture.
1455
00:57:57,830 --> 00:57:58,330
-Yeah, you're right, Ernie.
We're all Black friends.
1456
00:57:58,366 --> 00:58:00,126
-We are all Black friends.
1457
00:58:00,166 --> 00:58:02,226
-Ernie's from the mean streets
of Milwaukee, man.
1458
00:58:02,266 --> 00:58:05,156
-Yes, sir.
North 68th Street.
1459
00:58:05,500 --> 00:58:06,830
That's what separates him
from a lot of folks
1460
00:58:06,116 --> 00:58:08,226
who would be in that position,
is that,
1461
00:58:08,266 --> 00:58:11,166
"Oh, you want to have fun?
Yeah, I can have fun."
1462
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,250
-He's the world's
biggest 11-year-old.
1463
00:58:13,283 --> 00:58:15,283
-I need answers right now.
-Oh!
1464
00:58:15,316 --> 00:58:16,346
-I need the answers.
Give me the answers!
1465
00:58:16,383 --> 00:58:19,163
-I think, you know, there was
a lot of slapstick before,
1466
00:58:19,500 --> 00:58:21,380
but he brings a new level of it.
1467
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,370
-Well, I learned quickly
that Ernie ain't no punk.
1468
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,150
Ernie's not a punk.
No way.
1469
00:58:27,183 --> 00:58:30,223
[ Laughter ]
1470
00:58:30,250 --> 00:58:34,320
-When Ernie hit Shaq
in the back with the chair,
1471
00:58:34,350 --> 00:58:35,370
then he takes a little bottle
and pop him on the head.
1472
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,330
-I don't know what that bottle
was capable of doing.
1473
00:58:40,660 --> 00:58:41,380
I said, "If I really
haul off and hit him,
1474
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,130
I don't want to cut him
in the back of his skull."
1475
00:58:44,166 --> 00:58:45,376
So I just -- just -- yeah,
it was just like this.
1476
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,100
It was just like...
1477
00:58:49,133 --> 00:58:54,833
[ Laughter ]
1478
00:58:54,116 --> 00:58:56,346
-There's so many great shows
in the history of television.
1479
00:58:56,383 --> 00:58:57,333
Right?
1480
00:58:57,366 --> 00:59:00,176
But in the sports world,
1481
00:59:00,216 --> 00:59:01,326
there have only been a few.
1482
00:59:01,366 --> 00:59:04,296
And for "Inside the NBA"
to get all the acclaim
1483
00:59:04,333 --> 00:59:06,273
that it's gotten
through the years,
1484
00:59:06,300 --> 00:59:08,270
which it so richly has deserved,
1485
00:59:08,300 --> 00:59:10,230
it had to be something special
1486
00:59:10,266 --> 00:59:14,246
that could sit in the pantheon
of great television shows --
1487
00:59:14,283 --> 00:59:15,323
dramas...
1488
00:59:15,350 --> 00:59:17,830
-The league now.
-Okay, but hold on.
1489
00:59:17,116 --> 00:59:18,316
DeAndre Jordan is...
-If he can't score,
1490
00:59:18,350 --> 00:59:20,270
how the hell he gonna be
a top big man, stupid?
1491
00:59:20,300 --> 00:59:22,660
-...news shows...
-The league will use this hiatus
1492
00:59:22,100 --> 00:59:24,250
to determine the next steps.
1493
00:59:24,283 --> 00:59:26,133
-...comedies.
-From great to good.
1494
00:59:26,166 --> 00:59:30,126
-And "Inside the NBA" deserves
to be there with the greats.
1495
00:59:30,166 --> 00:59:32,216
[ Cheering ]
1496
00:59:32,250 --> 00:59:35,500
-Ernie Johnson is the glue.
1497
00:59:35,830 --> 00:59:38,350
Like a conductor
of an orchestra,
1498
00:59:38,383 --> 00:59:40,383
he hits the right notes.
1499
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:42,120
-He's the funniest guy
on the show.
1500
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:45,200
But the beauty is
he doesn't have an ego
1501
00:59:45,233 --> 00:59:47,663
that has to get out
in front of that.
1502
00:59:47,100 --> 00:59:49,320
-I don't get offended by being
called the wrong name.
1503
00:59:49,350 --> 00:59:51,500
-I do.
-You do?
1504
00:59:51,830 --> 00:59:52,280
-Yeah.
-Who do they mistakeyou
1505
00:59:52,316 --> 00:59:53,656
-I went to --
-Shrek?
1506
00:59:53,100 --> 00:59:55,170
-No, I went to --
1507
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:56,220
[ Laughter ]
1508
00:59:56,250 --> 01:00:00,350
-[ Laughing ] That was --
that was really good.
1509
01:00:00,383 --> 01:00:04,203
-In this role, you know,
I've been called a traffic cop.
1510
01:00:04,233 --> 01:00:08,503
But a really good traffic cop,
you know,
1511
01:00:08,830 --> 01:00:09,270
doesn't want any fender benders
at his intersection.
1512
01:00:09,300 --> 01:00:13,330
He wants to wave this car
through while this one stops
1513
01:00:13,366 --> 01:00:15,326
and keep everything orderly.
1514
01:00:15,366 --> 01:00:18,346
Me -- I'm like the rogue
traffic cop...
1515
01:00:18,383 --> 01:00:21,333
Time for "Shrek Been a Fool."
-[ Laughing ] Oh, man!
1516
01:00:21,366 --> 01:00:22,376
-Presented by hotels.com.
1517
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,250
...because too often I'm smiling
at Kenny and waving him
1518
01:00:25,283 --> 01:00:29,163
into the intersection,
knowing full well that Shaq
1519
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:31,120
is gonna broadside him,
you know?
1520
01:00:31,150 --> 01:00:34,320
So I'm a little bent
in that regard.
1521
01:00:34,350 --> 01:00:36,000
[ Laughter ]
1522
01:00:36,330 --> 01:00:38,350
-Ernie's on you, man.
He's on you, man.
1523
01:00:38,383 --> 01:00:41,233
-Ernie is just pitch-perfect
in those circumstances.
1524
01:00:41,266 --> 01:00:46,226
He has a sense of humor.
He has a sense of irony.
1525
01:00:46,266 --> 01:00:48,656
He can be self-deprecating.
1526
01:00:48,100 --> 01:00:50,280
He's been around the league
long enough to know
1527
01:00:50,316 --> 01:00:52,176
its history inside and out.
1528
01:00:52,216 --> 01:00:57,296
And he has a very good sense,
like a center iceman in hockey
1529
01:00:57,333 --> 01:00:59,153
or a point guard,
1530
01:00:59,183 --> 01:01:02,303
of what the strengths
of the people alongside him are
1531
01:01:02,333 --> 01:01:03,253
and how to best set him up.
1532
01:01:03,283 --> 01:01:07,833
-I would never want to work
with a guy
1533
01:01:07,116 --> 01:01:10,656
who wanted to be
the center of attention,
1534
01:01:10,100 --> 01:01:14,170
who didn't know how to make
a pass to his teammates.
1535
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,320
I played with guys like that
and they suck.
1536
01:01:16,350 --> 01:01:18,170
-Come on, Chuck.
-So go ahead, tell them --
1537
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,370
tell them what we're mad at.
-You know...
1538
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,230
-We the mad hosts.
We the mad rappers.
1539
01:01:22,266 --> 01:01:24,096
-I'm boycotting -- I'm
boycotting the show tonight.
1540
01:01:24,133 --> 01:01:25,303
-Tell him why you're mad, son.
1541
01:01:25,333 --> 01:01:29,503
-Yo, Ernie's got a big article
in "USA Today."
1542
01:01:29,830 --> 01:01:31,170
-Tell them why you're mad.
-And it says,
1543
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,350
"He is a rare personality
who can banter" --
1544
01:01:34,383 --> 01:01:38,133
like, banter --
"with big egos
1545
01:01:38,166 --> 01:01:40,996
and still keep the show
on track."
1546
01:01:41,330 --> 01:01:43,150
-Tell him while we mad, Chuck.
-We not big egos.
1547
01:01:43,183 --> 01:01:45,333
You don't keep the show
on the tracks.
1548
01:01:45,660 --> 01:01:46,300
We're big egos, and you're the
guy who keep it on the track.
1549
01:01:46,333 --> 01:01:48,103
-Did I write that?
Did I write that --
1550
01:01:48,133 --> 01:01:49,373
that was a headline writer
who wrote that.
1551
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:51,830
Now, Jill Lieber...
1552
01:01:51,116 --> 01:01:52,996
-No, she asked me,
did I have an ego?
1553
01:01:53,330 --> 01:01:54,500
-...wrote a tremendous --
-And I said, "I have an ego."
1554
01:01:54,830 --> 01:01:56,170
-"USA Today" is my favorite
newspaper, I might add,
1555
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,270
but we're not big egos
who banter
1556
01:01:59,300 --> 01:02:00,220
and you keep the show on track.
1557
01:02:00,250 --> 01:02:04,150
-I agree totally with you.
-Well, ugh.
1558
01:02:04,183 --> 01:02:06,163
"A rare personality."
-"A rare personality."
1559
01:02:06,500 --> 01:02:08,180
-Ernie can carry a show
for 45 minutes,
1560
01:02:08,216 --> 01:02:10,126
and you never know that
there was chaos
1561
01:02:10,166 --> 01:02:12,346
going on in the background
1562
01:02:12,383 --> 01:02:14,333
and that everything
has broken down.
1563
01:02:14,366 --> 01:02:15,376
-Yeah. Yeah.
-Take the shot.
1564
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:17,120
-Don't hit me in the head.
1565
01:02:17,150 --> 01:02:18,380
[ Laughter ]
1566
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,230
Come on, Zeke!
1567
01:02:21,266 --> 01:02:23,366
[ Laughter ]
1568
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,160
I knew it was coming.
1569
01:02:26,500 --> 01:02:28,320
-One of the hard things is,
you know the rundown,
1570
01:02:28,350 --> 01:02:29,370
and you know when
you have to end
1571
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:30,250
and when you have to begin,
1572
01:02:30,283 --> 01:02:35,133
and you have to somehow get in,
1573
01:02:35,166 --> 01:02:38,656
get out with people
counting down in your ear,
1574
01:02:38,100 --> 01:02:39,270
people telling you to do things,
1575
01:02:39,300 --> 01:02:42,100
but yet at the same time,
you're looking at these guys
1576
01:02:42,133 --> 01:02:43,833
and you're keeping them on track
1577
01:02:43,116 --> 01:02:45,196
and allowing them to say
what they want to say
1578
01:02:45,233 --> 01:02:48,833
and get out
what they need to get out.
1579
01:02:48,116 --> 01:02:49,346
Without Ernie,
1580
01:02:49,383 --> 01:02:55,383
these guys would not be
the beautiful machine or team.
1581
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:57,270
-Yeah, I think it'll work great.
1582
01:02:57,300 --> 01:02:59,120
Can you name the nine judges?
1583
01:02:59,150 --> 01:03:01,120
We want to let him sweat
a little bit.
1584
01:03:01,150 --> 01:03:02,130
So, you know --
1585
01:03:02,166 --> 01:03:04,096
-But, see, nobody out here
can name the nine judges.
1586
01:03:04,133 --> 01:03:06,333
-That's okay.
I mean, that's alright.
1587
01:03:06,660 --> 01:03:07,000
And I'll give hints.
1588
01:03:07,330 --> 01:03:09,120
-When I was coming up
as a sports reporter
1589
01:03:09,150 --> 01:03:10,330
and you would go to a game,
you'd have a sheet.
1590
01:03:10,366 --> 01:03:14,116
And on one side of the sheet,
it would be one team.
1591
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:16,660
On the other side of the sheet
would be the other team.
1592
01:03:16,100 --> 01:03:17,280
And you would chart
every single basket.
1593
01:03:17,316 --> 01:03:21,196
And I thought when you got
to the national level,
1594
01:03:21,233 --> 01:03:24,333
you don't need
to do that anymore.
1595
01:03:24,660 --> 01:03:27,160
There's people that would chart
that information for you.
1596
01:03:27,500 --> 01:03:30,300
But here's Ernie
furiously writing notes
1597
01:03:30,333 --> 01:03:31,333
as he's watching
two different games,
1598
01:03:31,366 --> 01:03:37,196
and he goes out to set
with like 15 pages of notes.
1599
01:03:37,233 --> 01:03:41,373
-He got these notes down
to the every "I" is dotted,
1600
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:43,170
every "T" is crossed,
1601
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,270
always prepared,
always
1602
01:03:46,300 --> 01:03:50,000
-The day I told --
'cause Ernie has all the notes
1603
01:03:50,330 --> 01:03:51,280
and he has everything in order.
1604
01:03:51,316 --> 01:03:53,346
And Charles is new.
-We can do in a game break.
1605
01:03:53,383 --> 01:03:56,273
-He's like, "What's those?"
I'm like, "Those his notes.
1606
01:03:56,300 --> 01:03:58,350
He just keeps them there to make
sure everything's in order."
1607
01:03:58,383 --> 01:04:00,323
-It's the format
for the post-game show
1608
01:04:00,350 --> 01:04:02,170
with a couple of notes
written in it.
1609
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,100
So we're gonna go
from here to here to here.
1610
01:04:05,133 --> 01:04:07,333
-And I realized
he didn't know what it was
1611
01:04:07,660 --> 01:04:09,000
and how important it was,
and I egged him on.
1612
01:04:09,330 --> 01:04:11,370
I said, "I bet you want
to take those from Ernie."
1613
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,170
And he's like,
"I won't even take them.
1614
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,250
I'll rip them up."
And so now I go,
1615
01:04:16,283 --> 01:04:18,333
"Oh, he definitely don't know
how important these are."
1616
01:04:18,366 --> 01:04:22,096
And so now Ernie hears us.
He says, "Charles, don't play."
1617
01:04:22,133 --> 01:04:24,163
-Don't even think about it.
-"Don't think about it.
1618
01:04:24,500 --> 01:04:25,230
This is -- don't do it."
1619
01:04:25,266 --> 01:04:27,146
So I was like, "Oh, you're not
gonna really -- "
1620
01:04:27,183 --> 01:04:29,233
I thought he was gonna do
one of these -- foom! --
1621
01:04:29,266 --> 01:04:30,366
then fake it.
1622
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:32,230
So Charles takes it,
and he rips it up, right?
1623
01:04:32,266 --> 01:04:35,316
-He was mad?
-Oh, no, wait!
1624
01:04:35,350 --> 01:04:38,170
You know, Ernie -- God bless --
1625
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,500
is the most Christian man
I know.
1626
01:04:41,830 --> 01:04:42,370
"That shit wasn't funny."
[ Laughter ]
1627
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,130
And he didn't speak to us
the rest of the show.
1628
01:04:46,166 --> 01:04:48,166
And the first time he was --
I was scared.
1629
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:49,250
I was like, "Ernie's not --
might swing on me,"
1630
01:04:49,283 --> 01:04:52,663
'cause he was like,
"You started it
1631
01:04:52,100 --> 01:04:53,180
'cause you gave him the notes."
1632
01:04:53,216 --> 01:04:55,116
I was like...
1633
01:04:55,150 --> 01:04:57,150
-So I just froze him out
of the next segment.
1634
01:04:57,183 --> 01:04:58,273
When we came back -- yeah,
'cause I was ready to --
1635
01:04:58,300 --> 01:05:01,170
I was ready.
If I had a cup of coffee,
1636
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:02,120
I was ready to throw a cup
of coffee in his face.
1637
01:05:02,150 --> 01:05:03,250
I was -- I was hot.
1638
01:05:03,283 --> 01:05:06,133
-First time I heard him curse,
ever.
1639
01:05:06,166 --> 01:05:08,326
Because internally
I was just crying
1640
01:05:08,366 --> 01:05:10,346
'cause I had never
heard him curse.
1641
01:05:10,383 --> 01:05:11,173
-I won't ever do that again.
1642
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,330
-No, no, no, no, no, no.
1643
01:05:13,660 --> 01:05:17,130
You know, 'cause you know what
that did to me in that moment?
1644
01:05:17,166 --> 01:05:20,246
It said, "These guys
don't respect what I do."
1645
01:05:20,283 --> 01:05:22,833
That's what that said to me.
1646
01:05:22,116 --> 01:05:24,496
I've been working on this sh--
you know, on this show.
1647
01:05:24,830 --> 01:05:25,280
-"Sh!"
1648
01:05:25,316 --> 01:05:28,826
-No, I've been working
on this show.
1649
01:05:28,116 --> 01:05:30,226
No, no.
1650
01:05:30,266 --> 01:05:32,276
-Now I think we appreciate him
a lot more
1651
01:05:32,316 --> 01:05:34,196
for all the hard work he put in.
1652
01:05:34,233 --> 01:05:38,163
We have no idea
what segments are.
1653
01:05:38,500 --> 01:05:40,200
I mean, he is so prepared
for all that stuff.
1654
01:05:40,233 --> 01:05:43,233
He makes it fun to come to work.
1655
01:05:43,266 --> 01:05:47,326
-He is a Hall of Fame
and a half.
1656
01:05:47,366 --> 01:05:51,226
I don't know if he's in Naismith
yet, but he needs to be there.
1657
01:05:51,266 --> 01:05:53,496
He is a legend.
1658
01:05:53,830 --> 01:05:56,270
-I got an awesome glimpse
of Ernie as a person.
1659
01:05:56,300 --> 01:05:58,120
A few years ago, Turner asked me
1660
01:05:58,150 --> 01:06:00,330
to present an Emmy with Ernie.
1661
01:06:00,366 --> 01:06:03,996
At the end of the night,
Ernie's up for, like,
1662
01:06:04,330 --> 01:06:06,500
top broadcasting host,
1663
01:06:06,830 --> 01:06:09,380
and Stuart Scott
had just passed away.
1664
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:10,280
-I was there that night,
1665
01:06:10,316 --> 01:06:13,176
and I remember
thinking to myself
1666
01:06:13,216 --> 01:06:16,496
as they read off the nominees,
1667
01:06:16,830 --> 01:06:18,200
"I hope Stuart Scott wins."
1668
01:06:18,233 --> 01:06:19,183
-Everyone, I think,
kind of thought
1669
01:06:19,216 --> 01:06:22,826
it was gonna go to Stuart Scott,
but Ernie won.
1670
01:06:22,116 --> 01:06:23,246
And Ernie stands up,
1671
01:06:23,283 --> 01:06:25,833
and he looks at his wife,
and he goes,
1672
01:06:25,116 --> 01:06:28,826
"You're coming with me."
And she goes, "No, I'm not."
1673
01:06:28,116 --> 01:06:30,146
They go up there,
and Ernie begins to shower
1674
01:06:30,183 --> 01:06:32,283
his wife with praise.
1675
01:06:32,316 --> 01:06:33,296
-This is my lovely wife, Cheryl.
1676
01:06:33,333 --> 01:06:36,353
We've been married
for 32 years, and...
1677
01:06:36,383 --> 01:06:40,153
-As he's finishing up
his speech, he goes,
1678
01:06:40,183 --> 01:06:44,283
"But I'd like to call up
the daughters of Stuart Scott."
1679
01:06:44,316 --> 01:06:46,326
-As for this, there's only
one place it belongs,
1680
01:06:46,366 --> 01:06:48,346
and that's on the mantel
at Stuart Scott's house.
1681
01:06:48,383 --> 01:06:52,663
So if the girls could come up,
please.
1682
01:06:52,100 --> 01:06:54,330
-Stuart Scott's daughters
come up on stage,
1683
01:06:54,366 --> 01:06:57,296
and he gives the trophy
to the daughters and says,
1684
01:06:57,333 --> 01:06:59,373
"This is your trophy now
for your dad,
1685
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,370
who was incredible
and we all loved."
1686
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:06,000
-We're honored to be able
to be here
1687
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:09,330
-Started crying.
1688
01:07:06,330 --> 01:07:09,660
because he can't be here, so...
1689
01:07:09,660 --> 01:07:11,350
It was like, gosh.
1690
01:07:11,383 --> 01:07:15,503
Even now, you know, you just --
1691
01:07:15,830 --> 01:07:17,170
he does all the right things,
he really does.
1692
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:20,330
He means well.
1693
01:07:20,660 --> 01:07:22,370
-It was such a touch of grace
and class
1694
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,500
and honest, heartfelt emotion.
1695
01:07:25,830 --> 01:07:30,200
It showed what people felt about
Stuart, who was a lovely guy.
1696
01:07:30,233 --> 01:07:34,383
But it was also a quintessential
Ernie Johnson moment.
1697
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:36,120
-You couldn't do the show --
1698
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:37,300
you couldn't do the show
without a lot of people.
1699
01:07:37,333 --> 01:07:40,833
Look, Charles gets
a lot of shine.
1700
01:07:40,116 --> 01:07:41,266
Shaq gets a lot of shine.
1701
01:07:41,300 --> 01:07:42,380
Like, Ernie Johnson --
1702
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:46,150
you need Ernie Johnson
and not only in the show.
1703
01:07:46,183 --> 01:07:48,503
Like, you need an Ernie Johnson
in your life
1704
01:07:48,830 --> 01:07:54,370
to help maintain all this crazy
shit that we go through.
1705
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:56,500
You need him.
1706
01:07:56,830 --> 01:07:57,280
-He's always made me
feel welcome.
1707
01:07:57,316 --> 01:08:01,996
He's always made me feel
like it's okay.
1708
01:08:02,330 --> 01:08:05,180
-This show's obviously better
with Ernie, of course,
1709
01:08:05,216 --> 01:08:08,216
but I actually think the people
are better because of Ernie.
1710
01:08:08,250 --> 01:08:13,170
He kind of represents the moral
compass for not only the show,
1711
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,000
but for a lot of people.
1712
01:08:15,330 --> 01:08:16,120
-Welcome back to
"Inside the NBA,"
1713
01:08:16,150 --> 01:08:17,300
presented by TNT.
1714
01:08:17,333 --> 01:08:19,273
Time for a new episode
of "Game of Zones"...
1715
01:08:19,300 --> 01:08:24,180
-Well...I'll be open.
1716
01:08:24,216 --> 01:08:28,656
I struggle with depression,
1717
01:08:28,100 --> 01:08:31,200
anxiety sometimes,
1718
01:08:31,233 --> 01:08:33,253
and I've gotten help for it,
1719
01:08:33,283 --> 01:08:36,123
but the biggest help
I've ever...
1720
01:08:36,150 --> 01:08:37,220
[ Clears throat ]
1721
01:08:37,250 --> 01:08:40,130
...I've ever gotten
was from Ernie.
1722
01:08:40,166 --> 01:08:42,826
-Tim Kiley, the producer.
1723
01:08:42,116 --> 01:08:43,326
-This is called
the Ernie Johnson saunter
1724
01:08:43,366 --> 01:08:45,326
as he saunters out the door.
1725
01:08:45,660 --> 01:08:46,120
-What suit are you wearing
today?
1726
01:08:46,150 --> 01:08:48,150
-When you think you have
troubles,
1727
01:08:48,183 --> 01:08:50,003
and you see what
he's gone through --
1728
01:08:50,330 --> 01:08:54,370
he adopted children
that need a lot of care.
1729
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,180
You know, he gave up his life.
1730
01:08:58,216 --> 01:09:00,326
You know, I'm getting
to that age,
1731
01:09:00,366 --> 01:09:02,656
I'm an empty nester,
1732
01:09:02,100 --> 01:09:03,330
and it's like my kids
are off and gone,
1733
01:09:03,366 --> 01:09:06,296
and he's constantly having
to deal with those situations.
1734
01:09:06,333 --> 01:09:11,333
And so when I get the blues,
I talk to Ernie,
1735
01:09:11,660 --> 01:09:12,330
and everything's okay.
1736
01:09:12,660 --> 01:09:17,150
-I think Ernie's ability
to take a bad situation
1737
01:09:17,183 --> 01:09:22,303
and turn it into a life lesson
is unprecedented.
1738
01:09:22,333 --> 01:09:26,173
-When I had the lymphoma thing
way back when
1739
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:27,230
and I called these --
this was before you got here --
1740
01:09:27,266 --> 01:09:32,656
I called these two guys into
the office at separate times
1741
01:09:32,100 --> 01:09:33,280
to tell them
because, you know,
1742
01:09:33,316 --> 01:09:36,266
it was something that I was
gonna put out there.
1743
01:09:36,300 --> 01:09:38,330
And --
-That was tough for me.
1744
01:09:38,660 --> 01:09:40,500
-Yeah, well, it was.
I mean, and that --
1745
01:09:40,830 --> 01:09:42,230
in my office, and I called you
in, and I said,
1746
01:09:42,266 --> 01:09:43,166
"Look, I gotta
tell you something.
1747
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:44,300
You know, I'm kind of
swelling up here,
1748
01:09:44,333 --> 01:09:46,333
and I've known what I have,
1749
01:09:46,660 --> 01:09:48,230
and now we're gonna
have to treat it.
1750
01:09:48,266 --> 01:09:49,226
And so I got cancer, but..."
1751
01:09:49,266 --> 01:09:51,996
And what's the one thing
I told both of you guys
1752
01:09:52,330 --> 01:09:53,170
in those conversations?
1753
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:54,380
I said, "Do not let this
mess with the show."
1754
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:57,660
I do not want you guys
to be saying,
1755
01:09:57,100 --> 01:10:00,830
"Oh, now we can't have any fun
with Ernie
1756
01:10:00,116 --> 01:10:01,326
because he's a cancer guy.
1757
01:10:01,366 --> 01:10:04,826
Now I'm gonna be the bad guy
if I make a joke about it."
1758
01:10:04,116 --> 01:10:05,246
And, you know,
and it was like, "No, no.
1759
01:10:05,283 --> 01:10:07,333
We won't let the dynamic
of the show change."
1760
01:10:07,366 --> 01:10:11,656
-Just being honest,
that was the first time
1761
01:10:11,100 --> 01:10:14,500
that I actually cried at Turner.
1762
01:10:14,830 --> 01:10:18,250
Like, I walked out,
and I was like, "Damn."
1763
01:10:18,283 --> 01:10:21,183
-A regular cry
or a Joel Embiid cry?
1764
01:10:21,216 --> 01:10:23,656
[ Laughter ]
1765
01:10:23,100 --> 01:10:26,230
-There you go.
That's our show right there.
1766
01:10:26,266 --> 01:10:28,296
That's our show.
Kenny trying to be --
1767
01:10:28,333 --> 01:10:32,273
Kenny trying to make
a valid point, and he's like...
1768
01:10:32,300 --> 01:10:34,370
[ Laughter ]
1769
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,200
With the scope of our show
over 30 years
1770
01:10:38,233 --> 01:10:43,503
and our willingness
to go outside the boundaries
1771
01:10:43,830 --> 01:10:48,380
and talk about things
that impact all of us,
1772
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:52,500
I think we've kind of been
an example
1773
01:10:52,830 --> 01:10:53,250
to anybody watching at home
1774
01:10:53,283 --> 01:10:54,203
who takes themselves
too seriously, need to say,
1775
01:10:54,233 --> 01:10:59,003
"Hey, don't take yourself
so seriously.
1776
01:10:59,330 --> 01:11:03,830
Be able to laugh.
Be able to laugh at yourself.
1777
01:11:03,116 --> 01:11:04,126
We're all gonna screw up."
1778
01:11:04,166 --> 01:11:06,146
And at the end of the day,
we're all just like,
1779
01:11:06,183 --> 01:11:12,303
"Man...what another great day
to work with my brothers."
1780
01:11:14,500 --> 01:11:18,500
And -- and that's what
makes it special.
1781
01:11:18,830 --> 01:11:23,660
♪♪
1782
01:11:23,100 --> 01:11:25,150
-Guarantee, guarantee!
1783
01:11:25,183 --> 01:11:26,333
-Whoo!
-Double guarantee.
1784
01:11:26,366 --> 01:11:29,166
-Put the gun down!
Put the gun down!
1785
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:30,370
-I mean, could you tell us?
1786
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:32,270
-Well, I got up at 5:30 --
[ Buzzer ]
1787
01:11:32,300 --> 01:11:34,170
-They installed this buzzer
last night.
1788
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:35,120
-Thank you very much.
[ Laughter ]
1789
01:11:35,150 --> 01:11:37,320
I appreciate that.
Thank you very much.
1790
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:39,280
-He's good, man!
[ Laughter ]
1791
01:11:39,316 --> 01:11:41,196
-There's still dirt
in the diaper.
1792
01:11:41,233 --> 01:11:42,223
We're supposed to clean it.
1793
01:11:42,250 --> 01:11:45,330
[ Indistinct talking ]
1794
01:11:45,366 --> 01:11:46,246
-Google me.
1795
01:11:46,283 --> 01:11:48,223
-This is out of control
right now.
1796
01:11:48,250 --> 01:11:50,150
It's out of control.
1797
01:11:50,183 --> 01:11:58,223
♪♪
1798
01:11:58,250 --> 01:12:08,280
♪♪
1799
01:12:08,316 --> 01:12:17,366
♪♪
1800
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:27,830
♪♪
1801
01:12:27,116 --> 01:12:36,146
♪♪
1802
01:12:36,183 --> 01:12:45,303
♪♪
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