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Why do people
love giant monsters?
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I don't know.
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Why I love giant monsters
is because they wreak havoc.
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I love monsters a lot.
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And to have a monster that's
the size of a skyscraper
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is just the best
thing in the world.
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There isn't
a culture on Earth that doesn't
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tell stories about monsters.
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I think because they
represent part of ourselves.
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It's that constant battle
between our more elevated
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human nature and are much more
animalistic, ferocious, feral,
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and violent, and scary nature.
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With most giant
monster kaiju films,
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there's some upset
giant creature
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that is getting from
point A to point
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B, whatever its
purpose is, and just
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messing up things in its path.
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It's as simple as that.
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What are the must see
giant monster movies?
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Horror film,
science fiction films,
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they mirror the
anxieties of the age.
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And the 1950s was
the Communist menace
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and fear of nuclear
war, atomic war,
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and the effects of radiation.
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So you had all of these
movies like Invasion
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of the Body Snatchers...
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They're after you.
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They're after all of us, our
wives, our children, everyone.
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They're here already!
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...I Married A
Monster From Outer Space.
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So people look the
same, but they're not.
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There's some thing that
crept into Bill's body.
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They're evil like your neighbor.
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It could be an alien, or
a pod person, or a commie.
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Or giant bugs, because
of radioactive fallout
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from mankind's messing
with atomic energy.
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Them! is probably the
one that leaps to mind.
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Them!
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Them!
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Them!
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Them! is a classic
giant bug movie.
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One of the family
of Formicidae, an ant.
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An ant? I don't believe it.
It's not possible.
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When these creatures
become so big,
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that they can dominate
the human race,
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I mean, how do you fight that?
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How do you fight this creature
that has zero interest in you
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other than as maybe food?
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The practical
effects that were used,
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seeing those giant mandibles
in frame and people
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touching the hairy
bristles that were just
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giant porcupine quills,
that stuff really,
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really was quite visceral.
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You think
about a movie like Them!
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and you think about the
look on people's face.
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The performance is
everything, right?
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Because we can't
linger our camera
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too long on these
creatures because you're
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going to really quickly see
that this is pretty ridiculous.
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I can only imagine how
difficult it was to perform
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amongst those physical props.
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So as an actor, you have
to give it your all.
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It's very cool to
watch how they did this.
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And what they did with
the budget they had.
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And it makes you wish that a lot
of these movies that came out
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in the next few years
had as much of a budget
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because some of them
didn't quite look as good.
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We just made
spiders big, ants big.
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Whatever it was, just
made them bigger.
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Was it as creative
as it could be?
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Not necessarily, but
it was more effective
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in that each of these giant
creatures was totally relatable.
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We know what a spider is.
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We know what an ant is.
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And to imagine them that big,
that's the horrifying part is we
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know what it is.
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I have never seen a
black and white film
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about a irradiated giant
animals on the attack,
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which I haven't loved.
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There is something some eternal
10-year-old inside of me that
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just wants to see giant spiders
or giant ants march on Santa Fe.
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Jesus!
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What the hell is going on?
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I mean, what the
hell is going on!
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They might not be very
big compared to King Kong
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or Godzilla, but one of
my favorite giant monsters
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are the Graboids
in Tremors, which
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are these underground slugs
that basically have the ability
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to like jet propel themselves
underneath the Nevada desert
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and then pop up and eat
people whenever they please.
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Tremors is the best monster
movie of the '90s, full stop.
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Probably one of the
smartest monster movies
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you're going to get
just in general.
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The characterization in
that movie is fantastic.
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The ensemble is amazing.
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It's scary.
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The humor works.
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Roger that, Burt,
and congratulations.
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Be advised, however,
there are two more,
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repeat, two more mother humpers.
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It takes two guys that we
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all can relate to in some way.
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They're are good old boys.
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They're guys that, like, you
would have gone to high school
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with.
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They have no special
skills, really.
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They are not scientists.
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I don't even know
if they're bright.
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Well, I'll tell you.
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Nobody handles garbage
better than we do.
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And then it puts them
in a monster movie.
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Tremors also capitalizes
on the Jaws POV
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like you were in the
killer perspective.
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No way!
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And that is horrifying.
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And the practical effects
of that movie still hold up.
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When they trick the one Graboid
into smashing into the cement
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wall, and then they, like,
dig up one end of it,
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and Kevin Bacon picks it up.
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I found the ass end.
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You feel the scope.
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You feel how big that thing is because
they created that thing, you know?
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And it just feels real.
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When the Graboid comes smashing
through Burt Gummer's wall,
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and the tentacles come
out, it's just so good.
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It does kind of take that
old school Western idea
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that if anybody tries to
invade us, we've got guns,
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and we're Americans, and
we'll blow your ass away.
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It's got that message,
but done in an amped up
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kind of satirical way.
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Broke into the wrong
goddamn rec room, didn't you,
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you bastard?
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There is a
gleefulness to the movie
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that's very hard to recreate.
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It's been often imitated,
but very hard to recreate.
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There's just something
very genuine.
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It was coming from
a genuine place.
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And no one saw it coming.
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I want to watch
this movie tonight.
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So good.
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Get inside!
Get inside!
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Cloverfield is a perfect
Godzilla film for America
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because you care
about the people.
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There is nothing
I can do about that.
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The girl that I love more
than anything is dying,
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and it's my fault. She should
have been with me tonight,
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and I let her go.
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Cloverfield makes
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you care about this
romance falling apart
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and these goofy young
people in Manhattan.
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...and bring some
guy to my party?
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You haven't talked
to me in weeks.
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- God, man.
- Sorry.
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Come on.
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And you're seeing
these emotional dramas between people.
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This soap opera element
of it is very American.
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Rob and Beth
totally had sex together.
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I knew it.
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And it's about their survival.
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Cloverfield showed you
can be a successful American
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young person, your
life is great,
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and at the drop of a hat...
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And hang on to the people
that you care about the most.
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God.
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God.
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What the hell was that?
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What was that?
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It can all be taken away by
terrorists, or giant kaiju, or
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an invading army, or whatever.
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Like, you are not safe.
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No matter how much money
they put into the military,
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it's not going to last forever.
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And it's coming.
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And partly, it already
has come with 9/11.
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I think without
taking into account 9/11
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as context with
Cloverfield, you're
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missing the point in the way
that you would miss the point
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if you didn't talk
about the atomic bomb
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when watching Godzilla.
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It's the same connection,
and it's why it works.
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It works because
we're exorcizing
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demons through this film.
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Cloverfield, for me, is one
of those movies that just feels
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about as close as you can get
to seeing a giant monster attack
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because the way it was shot.
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You're in it.
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Doing a found footage
approach to that, I think,
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was absolutely brilliant because
it's putting you on the ground.
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You're basically
looking at eye level,
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looking at soldiers
running around,
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and all the camera
has to do is go...
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and you're just
seeing a giant monster
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face looking down at you.
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That's really horrifying.
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The most important part
of the Cloverfield creature
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that I think dare I say
why it was successful
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was the fact that we
understood his motivation.
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The common trait with kaiju
type creatures, giant monsters,
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is that they are just
knocking over buildings
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with no specific reason
other than violence.
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And Cloverfield was a newborn,
brand new baby hatched out
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of an egg that found
itself in an environment
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that it was afraid of.
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So it was never really
trying to destroy New York.
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It was just trying
to find its mom.
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Are you guys seeing
this shit right now?
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My god.
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God.
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If you can imbue a creature
with a motivation, one
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that works for the
story, it makes
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everyone's job so much easier.
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And it makes the
consumption of that creature
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by an audience so much
more easy and rich.
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Nope.
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Nope, my gosh.
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I haven't seen a
movie in so long
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where something as simple
as a cloud became menacing.
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OJ, it's in the cloud.
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It's like the other side of
a Joni Mitchell song, right?
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Like, clouds, when I
see them up and down.
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And now, I'm fucking terrified.
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In Jordan Peele's Nope,
you've got this spacecraft that
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is ultimately revealed
to not be a spacecraft,
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but to actually be
this interdimensional,
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interstellar creature
that has just decided
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to live above the desert.
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And then once we get
into that creature,
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as it devours those people,
it squishes them in the mouth.
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It was so good and so singular.
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I had never seen anything
like that before.
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Once you realize that
people are getting sucked up
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into this thing and then going
through its digestive tract,
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I was just like,
this is awesome.
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And then it, like,
when it regurgitates
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all of that blood on the house,
that's nightmare imagery.
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You never imagine a farmhouse
being covered in blood.
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Jordan takes you inside
and you're living what
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this character is experiencing.
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then you pop out for the wide.
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Every kaiju movie
is about nature.
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And this is absolutely
a kaiju film.
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Even though there's not a fight,
it's still a giant monster
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and it's eating people,
but there is no expectation
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that they're going to kill it.
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Website like Cyber Dominion will
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pay $5,000 to $100k for
photographic evidence
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of UFOs and shit.
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They just want to
take a photo of it.
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But it opens up,
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you know, into this
kind of butterfly.
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It's more dangerous
because it's beautiful.
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But yet, it becomes more lethal
when it really reveals itself.
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It's a film about the
feeling of being observed
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and the observer.
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You can identify with the alien.
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You can identify with
the band of heroes
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because we're all
in that space where
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we're going back from being the
subject to being the watcher.
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Are we behind the camera?
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Or are we in front
of the camera?
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That's a weird
position to be in.
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And that drives you crazy.
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And you see what
happens to the monkey.
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You see what happens
to the monster.
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And you see what happens
to people of color
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when they're treated
like cattle to be herded
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or anything that
takes your difference
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and makes it a gimmick,
something to sell.
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So people who say that that
movie didn't have the same kind
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of cultural, or socioeconomic,
or racial undertone the other
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two of his films had are wrong.
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It's right there.
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They're somewhat slow
and lethargic until inflamed
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by the smell of blood.
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What if circumstances
magnified one of them
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in size and strength?
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Then expect something
that's fiercer,
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more cruel, and
deadly than anything
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that ever walked the Earth.
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There's nothing out there.
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Nothing in the mist.
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Man, as the dominant
species of life on Earth,
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will probably be extinct.
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You know, King Kong and Godzilla
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are not just film history, but
they are cultural iconography.
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You know, like, they almost
represent like America and Japan
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in various ways, but, like,
they just are pop culture.
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Like, they transcend just being,
here's these great movies.
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My all-time
favorite giant monster
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film from the classic era,
you've got to go with King Kong.
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There's a magic to that movie
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that is really timeless.
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It's still galvanizes
you when you watch it.
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Did you ever hear of Kong?
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It's pure fantasy at a time
when things like John Carter...
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you know, Burroughs
and all that stuff...
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was still so popular.
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So the idea of going
out into the jungle
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and finding dinosaurs, and
giant spiders, and King Kong,
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it still felt like
that was possible.
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There were unknown parts of the
world that you could discover.
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King Kong is worshipped as a god
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on this island of natives.
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And he's not a bad guy.
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He's just a misunderstood
big giant ape
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who happens to fall
in love with Fay Wray
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because she's just so beautiful.
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And he actually saves her life.
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And the human men are
horrified by this romance
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because he's a giant ape.
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But we've got
something he wants.
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Yeah, something
he won't get again.
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One of the elements of the
original film that isn't given
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the credit that it's due is
the set design of that jungle
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and the matte paintings.
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It didn't look like a jungle.
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It looked like a fairy tale.
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And that allowed... the
audience's suspension of
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disbelief went along with that.
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The 1933 Kong, it still holds up
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and it's still a pinnacle.
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And it's still like a masterwork
not only of like storytelling
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for the era, but like,
technically what they were doing
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on display in terms of, like,
creating this like fully living,
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breathing creature, you
know, that really was cotton
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and rabbit fur, you know, Kong
brought that to life in a way
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that I don't think anything
else had done before.
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There's something so moving
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about him lost in the city
and fighting for his life.
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He's destructive.
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He's killing people.
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He's smashing planes
out of the sky,
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but we're rooting for
him the whole way.
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It's not really so much
about, no, we were
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attacked by a giant monster.
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It's really more about we
kind of brought something
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here that shouldn't
have been here
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that was out of its element.
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And we shouldn't have done that.
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And it's kind of sad and
it's kind of our fault.
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A really bitter
sweet kind of movie,
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and that's why I think it really
resonated with so many people
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and still does.
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What does it matter?
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Airplanes got him.
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It wasn't the airplanes.
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It was beauty killed the beast.
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Peter Jackson's King Kong
was a work of art, technically.
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I think the smartest thing
about that particular King Kong
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was the performance
capture utilized
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to get that King
Kong to be emotive
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and to be humanized,
have the audiences feel
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the empathy that
we had only felt
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with the original King Kong.
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He spanned that
distance of time.
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And it's like Peter Jackson did
what the first King Kong did,
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which was make you feel for it.
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Peter made a great movie
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that was sort of a modern
retelling of the original film
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with modern special effects.
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The thing that was
lost for me in it
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was the fact that Kong was no
longer a capital-M Movie Monster
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who stood upright
and was bipedal,
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and instead was just
turned into a giant kind
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of silverback gorilla.
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One of the things that
was really important to me
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Skull Island was
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bringing back that capital-M
Movie Monster vibe.
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Early on in my
thought process, it
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was almost like what would
have happened if Kong didn't
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get taken off the island.
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Could this Kong actually
just be an extension
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of the older version?
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Truly, the first
image in my mind
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was Kong just silhouetted by the
sun set against that orange sky
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with the choppers flanking him.
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And I've never seen
a monster movie
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where you bleed
in, apocalypse now
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over some insane kaiju battle.
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I've just never seen that.
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And I think so much
of cinema right now
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and preserving the
religious element
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of the theatrical experience
is like giving people something
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they haven't seen before.
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I don't know what it
is about Godzilla that
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is so compelling to
people that it's still
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much more so than King Kong I
think, in a pop cultural sense.
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People love him and
are drawn to him.
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It appeals to something
primal that much
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more so than King Kong.
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You know, Frankenstein is
more popular than the Wolfman.
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I don't know why.
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American audiences know
this character as Godzilla,
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but the name "Gojira" actually
is pretty self-explanatory
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because it's a
combination of "gorilla,"
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the Japanese
pronunciation of gorilla,
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and then "kujira," which is the
Japanese pronunciation of whale.
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So it's this large creature,
you mash them together,
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and you have a creature that
can traverse land and sea.
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There would be no
Godzilla without The Beast
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from 20,000 Fathoms.
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5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
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The idea of atomic power
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unleashing a natural
predator was really
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most potent in that film.
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When we released
the bomb, the heat
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generated melted the
ice in which this beast
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was imprisoned and freed it.
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There's a bomb testing.
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This ancient dinosaur
comes out and wreaks
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havoc through America.
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And from this kind of humble,
but very popular movie,
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you get Godzilla.
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And Godzilla takes this
idea of nuclear power
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unleashing a natural predator.
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And gives it a resonance that
Beast from 20,000 Fathoms
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didn't really have.
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Godzilla might be one of the
quintessential examples of using
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horror or sort of
fantastic elements
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to deal with trauma in a
way that maybe if you dealt
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with it more directly,
then people wouldn't just
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wouldn't want to talk about it.
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This is nine years after
the end of World War II.
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Think about the atomic bombings
of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
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And I don't think it was even
a complaint that the weapons had
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been used against Japan
so much as the realization
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that there was now a
new terror in the world.
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And the representation
of this terror
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would be in the form of
this giant monster figure.
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When you go to the
original '54 Gojira, it is
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a dark story of cultural PTSD.
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00:26:23,973 --> 00:26:28,848
Then Godzilla became, in
the ensuing years, a toy.
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00:26:32,373 --> 00:26:34,810
They sort of redesigned
the Godzilla a little bit
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to seem more kid friendly.
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Eyes became a little bit rounder
and a little bit more cartoon
436
00:26:42,078 --> 00:26:45,038
like because they
realized that Godzilla was
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00:26:45,168 --> 00:26:48,345
becoming a sort of
superhero that kids
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really latched on to and loved.
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00:26:50,043 --> 00:26:51,348
And I was one of those kids.
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So I still have a soft
spot for that design.
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00:26:54,961 --> 00:26:57,180
As a kid, you want the giant
monster to be your friend.
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00:26:57,311 --> 00:27:01,620
And with Godzilla, it was fun to
cultivate sort of that feeling
443
00:27:01,750 --> 00:27:07,364
that he's on our side and
he loves us, which is not
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00:27:07,495 --> 00:27:10,324
really where it started at all.
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00:27:10,454 --> 00:27:12,065
To be a little kid and getting
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00:27:12,195 --> 00:27:17,113
to see this stuff on TV and
these bright insane colors
447
00:27:17,244 --> 00:27:21,770
and this music just, you know,
448
00:27:21,901 --> 00:27:24,294
it was just overwhelming.
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To this day, if they're
on, I watch them.
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There's this tendency to want
to dismiss the silly films,
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but even the ones that maybe
don't have a deeper meaning,
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I also enjoy.
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00:27:34,043 --> 00:27:35,610
I mean, I'm someone
who likes, you know,
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Godzilla versus Megalon.
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00:27:41,790 --> 00:27:43,662
Some people just
aren't fans of that.
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00:27:43,792 --> 00:27:46,795
The Godzilla of
Godzilla versus Megalon
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is not the Godzilla of
the original Gojira.
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00:27:50,494 --> 00:27:53,019
It's an arc in that
series where it starts
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off very gritty and realistic.
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And over time, it becomes
a parody of itself.
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They go through this cycle.
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And then they have to reset.
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00:28:05,466 --> 00:28:06,510
And then they do that a lot.
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When I was a kid, Godzilla
was more like a hero, you know.
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And he was fighting and
beating up all other monsters.
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00:28:15,476 --> 00:28:18,522
And that's what I wanted.
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00:28:18,653 --> 00:28:22,352
And I knew that,
back in 2004, this
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00:28:22,483 --> 00:28:27,183
is the last opportunity to
make old school, man and suit,
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00:28:27,314 --> 00:28:31,840
Godzilla, which I love.
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00:28:31,971 --> 00:28:33,929
I knew that, you know,
they're going to reboot it,
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00:28:34,060 --> 00:28:36,410
you know, but it's not going
to be like the Godzilla
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00:28:36,540 --> 00:28:39,718
that I loved when I was a kid.
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00:28:39,848 --> 00:28:45,941
Godzilla can be hero, can be,
you know, scary, can be fun.
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00:28:46,072 --> 00:28:48,552
It's just like the final
big firework carnival.
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00:28:48,683 --> 00:28:50,380
So let's have fun.
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00:30:08,850 --> 00:30:15,683
A great Japanese kaiju
has a mixture of creature
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that comes from nature.
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So there are elements
of reptiles or mammals,
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00:30:20,993 --> 00:30:25,040
but they also have a
mythological elements to them,
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almost a fantastical
aspect to their design.
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00:30:30,132 --> 00:30:32,178
Typically, they don't
just take an animal
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that we're familiar
with and just, you know,
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00:30:34,571 --> 00:30:36,835
make it 200 feet tall.
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00:30:36,965 --> 00:30:39,446
There's always
flourishes to them.
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What I find so compelling
about the Japanese point of view
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is that they are fearless
in respects to aesthetics
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00:30:48,934 --> 00:30:53,155
and certain choices about these
creatures because they go crazy.
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00:30:53,286 --> 00:30:54,983
I mean, some of them
are absolutely zany.
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00:30:55,114 --> 00:30:57,072
Did you ever see the
movie Big Man Japan?
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That is nuts.
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00:31:08,823 --> 00:31:11,217
The stuff makes no
sense whatsoever
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00:31:11,347 --> 00:31:12,392
biologically speaking.
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00:31:27,102 --> 00:31:30,671
But that's
what's so wonderful about it.
494
00:31:30,801 --> 00:31:34,631
As a creative person, I realize
how stifled my creativity must
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00:31:34,762 --> 00:31:36,459
be because I could never
come up with that kind
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of wonderful lunacy.
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For me, Mothra always
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has a special place in my
heart because, ultimately, she
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ends up being a mother, right?
500
00:31:50,386 --> 00:31:52,127
So there you go.
Come on.
501
00:31:52,258 --> 00:31:55,043
You got to go with the mother.
502
00:31:55,174 --> 00:31:56,784
The idea of, yeah, big moth.
503
00:31:56,915 --> 00:31:59,004
That'll be scary.
504
00:31:59,134 --> 00:32:01,049
Well, how do we summon it?
505
00:32:01,180 --> 00:32:05,575
Let's have identical twin
tiny people and they'll sing.
506
00:32:05,706 --> 00:32:08,448
Mosuraya, Mosura.
507
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,845
It's like, wait, what?
508
00:32:14,976 --> 00:32:18,023
I remember watching
Mothra, and they were on,
509
00:32:18,153 --> 00:32:20,416
and my dad coming in, like,
what the hell are you watching?
510
00:32:20,547 --> 00:32:21,635
Because it is hard to explain.
511
00:32:25,987 --> 00:32:27,641
Ghidorah was always my favorite
512
00:32:27,771 --> 00:32:30,165
of the entire Toho stable.
513
00:32:30,296 --> 00:32:32,733
Back in the first run,
they tended to, like,
514
00:32:32,863 --> 00:32:34,648
give the monsters
human qualities,
515
00:32:34,778 --> 00:32:36,955
and anthropomorphize
them a little,
516
00:32:37,085 --> 00:32:40,915
and kind of made
them almost cuddly.
517
00:32:41,046 --> 00:32:43,526
Ghidorah was the one who didn't.
518
00:32:43,657 --> 00:32:46,834
Ghidorah was a vicious bastard
in every film he appeared in.
519
00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:49,141
And, you know, it's
a great design.
520
00:32:49,271 --> 00:32:50,925
It's like a classical
dragon with three
521
00:32:51,056 --> 00:32:52,883
heads and the golden color.
522
00:32:53,014 --> 00:32:54,929
It's just a very striking
creature to look at.
523
00:33:05,461 --> 00:33:08,856
Gamera is my
second favorite giant
524
00:33:08,987 --> 00:33:12,164
monster kaiju from Japanese
kaiju monster movies.
525
00:33:12,294 --> 00:33:13,643
He is a turtle.
526
00:33:13,774 --> 00:33:16,603
He's essentially like
Mothra, represents
527
00:33:16,733 --> 00:33:18,997
the good and the heroic.
528
00:33:19,127 --> 00:33:22,130
And he inspires
hope in people that
529
00:33:22,261 --> 00:33:24,698
are being attacked
by other giant kaijus
530
00:33:24,828 --> 00:33:26,439
or other forms of evil.
531
00:33:29,485 --> 00:33:32,532
Now those films are
really kind of silly,
532
00:33:32,662 --> 00:33:34,795
and Gamera is fighting
a monster that
533
00:33:34,925 --> 00:33:37,450
was basically a giant butcher
knife with eyes and legs.
534
00:33:43,586 --> 00:33:46,111
And then Shusuke Kaneko
came along in the '90s
535
00:33:46,241 --> 00:33:50,767
and completely reimagined
the character, put him
536
00:33:50,898 --> 00:33:53,205
into a series of serious,
mature, beautifully
537
00:33:53,335 --> 00:33:55,903
crafted films
starting with Gamera:
538
00:33:56,034 --> 00:33:59,559
Guardian of the Universe.
539
00:33:59,689 --> 00:34:03,302
Then Gamera 3, I
think is, out of all
540
00:34:03,432 --> 00:34:06,914
the Japanese kaiju films from
any studio, it's my favorite.
541
00:34:07,045 --> 00:34:08,916
It has a really powerful story.
542
00:34:09,047 --> 00:34:12,005
It has some really
interesting themes to it.
543
00:34:12,137 --> 00:34:15,531
It has amazing monster action.
544
00:34:15,661 --> 00:34:19,795
And it is just shot and composed
and dramatized in a really,
545
00:34:19,927 --> 00:34:22,973
really powerful way.
546
00:34:23,103 --> 00:34:26,889
The Gamera 3 takes a
goofy impossible character
547
00:34:27,021 --> 00:34:30,068
and turns it into a
pretty serious film
548
00:34:30,197 --> 00:34:33,810
about the poisonous effects
of anger and revenge
549
00:34:33,940 --> 00:34:36,074
on the human soul.
550
00:34:36,204 --> 00:34:42,254
Japan had a closed
society for 400 years
551
00:34:42,384 --> 00:34:44,952
in which access to the
country was strictly
552
00:34:45,083 --> 00:34:48,172
limited that
undoubtedly has shaped
553
00:34:48,303 --> 00:34:53,395
a kind of cultural sensibility
for many, many years, centuries
554
00:34:53,525 --> 00:34:54,875
after.
555
00:34:55,005 --> 00:34:58,096
And maybe kaiju are a
place where some of this
556
00:34:58,226 --> 00:35:00,228
gets worked through
and worked out
557
00:35:00,359 --> 00:35:06,582
this idea of things coming from
outside, from beneath the ocean,
558
00:35:06,713 --> 00:35:09,455
from the sky.
559
00:35:09,585 --> 00:35:12,632
So all of these things being
dislodged from the Earth
560
00:35:12,762 --> 00:35:15,113
and coming strangely
enough at Japan.
561
00:35:26,689 --> 00:35:29,301
Before Bong
Joon-ho directed Parasite,
562
00:35:29,431 --> 00:35:33,131
he directed The Host, which
is a giant monster film which
563
00:35:33,261 --> 00:35:40,399
is actually about income
inequality in South Korea,
564
00:35:40,529 --> 00:35:48,581
but by extension, and throughout
the industrial capitalist world.
565
00:35:48,711 --> 00:35:52,280
And so you do get the thrills
of a giant monster movie,
566
00:35:52,411 --> 00:35:57,067
but you also get this kind
of touching, funny, slightly
567
00:35:57,198 --> 00:36:00,810
heartbreaking story about people
who are living on the margins
568
00:36:00,941 --> 00:36:02,334
because they're
living, you know,
569
00:36:02,464 --> 00:36:03,683
making it paycheck to paycheck.
570
00:36:16,043 --> 00:36:19,089
You know, the first
30 minutes of that film
571
00:36:19,220 --> 00:36:25,270
from meeting the family
and the river attack,
572
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,054
that's perfect filmmaking.
573
00:36:47,553 --> 00:36:51,121
And the creature, that
in itself feels fresh.
574
00:36:51,252 --> 00:36:54,299
And it was so inelegant
in the way that it moved
575
00:36:54,429 --> 00:36:56,518
and the way that it almost
tripped over itself.
576
00:36:56,649 --> 00:37:00,914
And you just had this sense that
it lived a pained existence.
577
00:37:07,268 --> 00:37:10,880
The beauty of his
filmmaking is all of the set
578
00:37:11,011 --> 00:37:15,407
pieces relate to character.
579
00:37:15,537 --> 00:37:18,453
When this monster
starts tearing through things,
580
00:37:18,584 --> 00:37:23,676
in the panic, he loses
track of his daughter,
581
00:37:23,806 --> 00:37:28,158
tries to rescue her, grabs
the wrong girl's hand.
582
00:37:28,289 --> 00:37:29,551
Looks behind him
and the one thing
583
00:37:29,682 --> 00:37:30,944
that he was supposed
to do right,
584
00:37:31,074 --> 00:37:32,424
which is protect
his daughter, fails.
585
00:37:38,778 --> 00:37:41,607
And you
have that great shot of her just
586
00:37:41,737 --> 00:37:43,565
there, as like, you
know, it's framed
587
00:37:43,696 --> 00:37:48,222
in a way where the creature
isn't even fully in the shot.
588
00:37:48,353 --> 00:37:50,398
Its tail grabs her and
rips her out of the frame.
589
00:38:04,456 --> 00:38:09,896
So this family who have had
this rough patchy relationship
590
00:38:10,026 --> 00:38:13,291
now have to come together to
break away from the government
591
00:38:13,421 --> 00:38:15,423
that's trying to
keep them quarantined
592
00:38:15,554 --> 00:38:17,643
to go find this missing girl.
593
00:38:23,997 --> 00:38:33,485
It was layered with great
creature design, cool ideas,
594
00:38:33,615 --> 00:38:37,184
and then this Korean
point of view that was...
595
00:38:37,315 --> 00:38:39,621
all of it was different
than what I was expecting.
596
00:38:39,752 --> 00:38:43,277
So the film kind of left me
gobsmacked at the end of it.
597
00:38:43,408 --> 00:38:45,932
I was like, this was powerful.
598
00:38:46,062 --> 00:38:47,803
Bong Joon-ho and
that movie, like,
599
00:38:47,934 --> 00:38:52,112
it's just such an incredible
piece of filmmaking where all
600
00:38:52,242 --> 00:38:54,375
of the spectacle,
all of the genre,
601
00:38:54,506 --> 00:38:56,812
all of the things that people
would normally write off
602
00:38:56,943 --> 00:39:00,468
as, like, it's just monsters
running around, whatever, like,
603
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:02,470
it's all based in
character, and it's all
604
00:39:02,601 --> 00:39:04,646
based in like relationships.
605
00:39:54,783 --> 00:39:56,263
Let's do this.
606
00:40:23,986 --> 00:40:25,771
The less said about the Roland
607
00:40:25,901 --> 00:40:27,468
Emmerich Godzilla, the better.
608
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:29,905
But I have to say,
I was very impressed
609
00:40:30,036 --> 00:40:32,386
with the first American
Godzilla of the trilogy
610
00:40:32,517 --> 00:40:35,389
that came out more recently,
Gareth Edwards' film.
611
00:40:38,174 --> 00:40:39,915
Gareth Edwards
made this film called
612
00:40:40,046 --> 00:40:42,352
Monsters before Godzilla.
613
00:40:42,483 --> 00:40:44,659
It was really one
of those DIY efforts
614
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:46,705
where Gareth had a
hand in everything
615
00:40:46,835 --> 00:40:50,012
even the VFX and creation
of the monsters themselves,
616
00:40:50,143 --> 00:40:52,232
but it was one of those
kind of handheld, you know,
617
00:40:52,362 --> 00:40:55,365
found footage movies.
618
00:40:55,496 --> 00:40:57,324
The monsters were
just used sparingly.
619
00:41:00,022 --> 00:41:01,633
And, you know, he
did the same thing
620
00:41:01,763 --> 00:41:04,723
with Godzilla for better or
for worse or to the detriment
621
00:41:04,853 --> 00:41:06,376
of some fans.
622
00:41:06,507 --> 00:41:07,465
Open fire!
623
00:41:12,165 --> 00:41:13,732
But it was smart, you know.
624
00:41:13,862 --> 00:41:16,343
It was just smart to blend
that kind of docu style
625
00:41:16,474 --> 00:41:17,953
to both movies.
626
00:41:18,084 --> 00:41:19,694
I really enjoyed the fact
that it was shot from kind
627
00:41:19,825 --> 00:41:22,828
of a human's eye
view in a sense where
628
00:41:22,958 --> 00:41:25,787
you don't quite see everything
that's going on as you wouldn't.
629
00:41:25,918 --> 00:41:27,920
If Godzilla was really
rampaging through your city,
630
00:41:28,050 --> 00:41:29,487
you would not get a
great look at him.
631
00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:34,579
Edwards really kind of
choreographed the whole thing
632
00:41:34,709 --> 00:41:36,276
in such a way that
you really identified
633
00:41:36,406 --> 00:41:38,626
with the people looking
at this giant monster
634
00:41:38,757 --> 00:41:39,975
that's come to destroy them.
635
00:41:46,242 --> 00:41:49,289
We've just been wired and coded
636
00:41:49,419 --> 00:41:50,986
that when we see a
giant monster movie,
637
00:41:51,117 --> 00:41:52,771
we got to get the spectacle.
638
00:41:52,901 --> 00:41:55,513
And so I respect Gareth
for doing what he did.
639
00:41:55,643 --> 00:41:57,210
And then, of course,
Mike Dougherty steps in,
640
00:41:57,340 --> 00:41:58,994
and he's like, here we go.
641
00:41:59,125 --> 00:42:00,169
Let me give you...
642
00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:01,562
let me give you
all the monsters,
643
00:42:01,693 --> 00:42:03,172
and you're going to
see them all the time.
644
00:42:13,792 --> 00:42:15,707
It's tough because there's
645
00:42:15,837 --> 00:42:17,143
a lot of baggage.
646
00:42:17,273 --> 00:42:18,884
Whenever you're dealing
with a legacy character,
647
00:42:19,014 --> 00:42:22,888
there are expectations
that the fans have.
648
00:42:23,018 --> 00:42:26,544
But at the same time, you can't
craft a movie just for the fans
649
00:42:26,674 --> 00:42:30,112
because then you're alienating
your larger general audience.
650
00:42:30,243 --> 00:42:32,941
So you have to find the right
balance between the two.
651
00:42:33,072 --> 00:42:34,726
Dougherty's movie, I
mean, I don't know what
652
00:42:34,856 --> 00:42:37,467
else you could want, you know?
653
00:42:37,598 --> 00:42:39,426
I mean, I still watch
every once in a while.
654
00:42:39,557 --> 00:42:42,429
I'll throw the Rodan
attack scene where Rodan
655
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:43,865
shows up for the first time.
656
00:42:48,217 --> 00:42:51,177
Bear McCreary's music is just
like, boom, boom, boom, boom.
657
00:42:54,528 --> 00:42:56,269
We got jet fighters flying in.
658
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,099
Rodan doing spins.
659
00:43:05,713 --> 00:43:07,193
I get chills even
thinking about it.
660
00:43:07,367 --> 00:43:09,543
I'm like, this is exactly what
I want from a kaiju movie.
661
00:43:09,674 --> 00:43:10,718
This is incredible.
662
00:43:10,849 --> 00:43:12,546
When I came on board, they said,
663
00:43:12,677 --> 00:43:14,200
well, we want to do a sequel.
664
00:43:14,330 --> 00:43:18,378
Would you mind using Rodan,
Mothra, and King Ghidorah?
665
00:43:18,508 --> 00:43:21,381
And I was like, yes.
666
00:43:21,511 --> 00:43:24,732
Like, no, I would not mind.
667
00:43:24,863 --> 00:43:26,821
I mean, that's just like
the best party in the world
668
00:43:26,952 --> 00:43:28,083
this to go hang
out with that crew.
669
00:43:32,044 --> 00:43:33,567
I actually wanted to use more.
670
00:43:33,698 --> 00:43:36,396
But then Adam Wingard just
went, I'm going to top that.
671
00:43:36,526 --> 00:43:41,183
I'm going to give you a buddy
movie, where King Kong is
672
00:43:41,314 --> 00:43:43,708
the hero, and he's
John McClane, and he's
673
00:43:43,838 --> 00:43:47,015
going to take on Godzilla.
674
00:43:47,146 --> 00:43:48,974
Godzilla versus Kong has
675
00:43:49,104 --> 00:43:51,324
a gorilla that uses a magic ax.
676
00:43:54,893 --> 00:43:57,591
It's like... and it's funny.
677
00:43:57,722 --> 00:43:59,245
I believe King Kong.
678
00:43:59,375 --> 00:44:01,856
I don't believe he
would use an ax.
679
00:44:01,987 --> 00:44:03,336
You draw your own line.
680
00:44:09,255 --> 00:44:10,648
Godzilla versus Kong, I thought
681
00:44:10,778 --> 00:44:17,655
was very fun and a welcome
surprise, but it just...
682
00:44:17,785 --> 00:44:20,919
we haven't figured out how to
make you feel anything the way
683
00:44:21,049 --> 00:44:23,573
that you felt something
with the first Godzilla.
684
00:44:23,704 --> 00:44:26,272
We just haven't figured it
out because he's not ours.
685
00:44:26,402 --> 00:44:27,447
He doesn't belong to us.
686
00:44:27,577 --> 00:44:28,448
He belongs to them.
687
00:44:28,578 --> 00:44:29,841
He belongs to the Japanese.
688
00:44:35,498 --> 00:44:37,152
I think any good franchise, it's
689
00:44:37,283 --> 00:44:41,635
able to constantly
reboot itself to reflect
690
00:44:41,766 --> 00:44:44,029
the fears of the time.
691
00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:46,422
And so if the
first Godzilla film
692
00:44:46,553 --> 00:44:49,687
was reflecting fear
of the nuclear age,
693
00:44:49,817 --> 00:44:53,952
then you get to like Hedorah.
694
00:44:54,082 --> 00:44:56,824
You know, he was called
the smog monster which
695
00:44:56,955 --> 00:44:58,696
is way less cool in America.
696
00:45:02,134 --> 00:45:03,831
But, you know, Hedorah
is technically an alien,
697
00:45:03,962 --> 00:45:05,441
but he feeds off pollution.
698
00:45:05,572 --> 00:45:07,226
And that was coming
out in the '70s
699
00:45:07,356 --> 00:45:10,708
when, like, Tokyo was
famously gross polluted city.
700
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,675
And to me,
in addition to Hedorah being,
701
00:45:21,806 --> 00:45:24,896
you know, symbolism for,
like, Tokyo and pollution,
702
00:45:25,026 --> 00:45:28,029
he's just a great
foe in that canon.
703
00:45:30,597 --> 00:45:33,208
The Godzilla films always
started as a response
704
00:45:33,339 --> 00:45:35,776
to things that were affecting
the Japanese people.
705
00:45:35,907 --> 00:45:38,083
And the same thing
with Shin Godzilla.
706
00:45:47,832 --> 00:45:50,182
It's hard
not to see that film, which
707
00:45:50,312 --> 00:45:54,882
was released in 2016, as a
reflection on Japan's response
708
00:45:55,013 --> 00:45:58,581
to 2011, the earthquake,
tsunami, and the nuclear crisis
709
00:45:58,712 --> 00:46:00,758
with the Fukushima
nuclear reactor.
710
00:46:08,461 --> 00:46:10,115
And Japanese government's
711
00:46:10,245 --> 00:46:13,335
inability to respond
quickly, and swiftly,
712
00:46:13,466 --> 00:46:14,641
and protect its citizens.
713
00:46:23,824 --> 00:46:26,958
It is a funny movie, but
it is about almost like
714
00:46:27,088 --> 00:46:29,264
Terry Gilliam
Brazil-esque in terms
715
00:46:29,395 --> 00:46:31,963
of the madness of bureaucracy.
716
00:46:32,093 --> 00:46:34,530
Like, let's have a meeting to
have a meeting about having
717
00:46:34,661 --> 00:46:39,057
a meeting about how we deal with
a giant kaiju in this country.
718
00:46:44,889 --> 00:46:47,152
Godzilla's outside, and
I'm stuck in meetings.
719
00:46:47,282 --> 00:46:49,676
But that was part
of the point that we
720
00:46:49,807 --> 00:46:51,983
have to deal with bureaucracy
and decision making.
721
00:46:52,113 --> 00:46:53,506
And I get it, and it's great.
722
00:46:53,636 --> 00:46:57,466
But Godzilla Minus One is
a whole different level
723
00:46:57,597 --> 00:46:58,641
of Godzilla movie.
724
00:47:08,434 --> 00:47:10,697
And if it weren't for
the original Godzilla,
725
00:47:10,828 --> 00:47:14,353
I would say it's the best.
726
00:47:14,483 --> 00:47:17,138
It's really, really delving
727
00:47:17,269 --> 00:47:22,491
into characterization, and
not only that, but the waste
728
00:47:22,622 --> 00:47:24,711
and the horror of war itself.
729
00:47:29,368 --> 00:47:32,675
You can almost take Godzilla
out of Godzilla Minus One
730
00:47:32,806 --> 00:47:34,939
and you would still
have a hugely compelling
731
00:47:35,069 --> 00:47:39,813
story, the devastation of war
from the Japanese point of view.
732
00:47:39,944 --> 00:47:43,295
I really haven't seen that
many films that I think really
733
00:47:43,425 --> 00:47:49,954
tackle what it felt like to have
gone through this experience.
734
00:47:50,084 --> 00:47:52,739
Midway through, there's possibly
735
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:55,394
the greatest Godzilla
destroys a district
736
00:47:55,524 --> 00:47:58,614
in Japan sequence ever filmed.
737
00:48:03,924 --> 00:48:05,578
There's this thing that
happens with this tail
738
00:48:05,708 --> 00:48:07,536
where his spikes jut out.
739
00:48:11,758 --> 00:48:14,413
And, you know, like, something really,
really bad is about to happen.
740
00:48:17,764 --> 00:48:20,375
It had me crying, which
I had no idea would be
741
00:48:20,506 --> 00:48:22,073
happening in a Godzilla movie.
742
00:48:22,203 --> 00:48:27,208
The Godzilla monster
effects are so much fun.
743
00:48:27,339 --> 00:48:29,384
The devastation is,
of course, everything
744
00:48:29,515 --> 00:48:34,346
you want from a Godzilla movie,
but it has this beautiful core
745
00:48:34,476 --> 00:48:37,871
that you walk out of the theater
feeling like, yes, human life
746
00:48:38,002 --> 00:48:39,917
is precious, every single one.
747
00:48:44,182 --> 00:48:46,227
And that's not what you
expect from a Godzilla movie.
748
00:48:57,586 --> 00:48:59,240
Ultimately, there's
something about kaiju
749
00:48:59,371 --> 00:49:01,242
that is very cinematic, right?
750
00:49:01,373 --> 00:49:02,678
You go to the movie theater.
751
00:49:02,809 --> 00:49:06,508
You look at the big screen.
752
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:09,772
And so things were better
suited to the big screen
753
00:49:09,903 --> 00:49:12,123
than big monsters
destroying cities, right?
754
00:49:16,257 --> 00:49:20,087
The appeal of giant
monsters and kaiju
755
00:49:20,218 --> 00:49:27,790
is that these are forces so
big, so beyond our control
756
00:49:27,921 --> 00:49:29,749
that we can't even
begin to truly
757
00:49:29,879 --> 00:49:31,533
defend ourselves against them.
758
00:49:31,664 --> 00:49:34,884
In fact, they sometimes don't
even really notice we're there.
759
00:49:35,015 --> 00:49:39,933
Like, it gives us the impression
of how we treat insects,
760
00:49:40,064 --> 00:49:43,110
how we crush their
houses, and step
761
00:49:43,241 --> 00:49:46,766
on them like they're nothing.
762
00:49:46,896 --> 00:49:50,596
I think this is very true of
most monsters and most kaiju,
763
00:49:50,726 --> 00:49:52,380
which is that at
the end of the day,
764
00:49:52,511 --> 00:49:54,861
there's actually like an
intense tragedy to them
765
00:49:54,992 --> 00:49:56,994
and an intense
loneliness to them.
766
00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:05,393
Whether be King Kong, or
Godzilla, or any monsters,
767
00:50:05,524 --> 00:50:07,743
everybody, every day,
the most painful thing
768
00:50:07,874 --> 00:50:10,529
that happens over and over again
is that you're misunderstood.
769
00:50:15,882 --> 00:50:19,277
And to me,
kaiju and monster films just
770
00:50:19,407 --> 00:50:23,542
fundamentally tap into that core
feeling of being misunderstood.
771
00:50:41,081 --> 00:50:43,518
I believe he is the power.
772
00:50:46,217 --> 00:50:47,213
Mothra.
773
00:50:53,963 --> 00:50:55,047
Gamera.
774
00:51:02,233 --> 00:51:04,191
Have you found anything yet?
775
00:51:04,322 --> 00:51:05,671
Say over.
- I just said it.
776
00:51:05,801 --> 00:51:08,065
- I know. Say it again.
- Over.
777
00:51:12,852 --> 00:51:14,419
I know an enemy when I see it.
778
00:51:23,254 --> 00:51:24,429
Two, three.
779
00:51:41,924 --> 00:51:42,925
We can capture him alive.
780
00:51:43,056 --> 00:51:44,096
Why, you're crazy.
781
00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:04,295
There's been a lot
of great Japanese horror films
782
00:52:04,425 --> 00:52:06,340
that are very moody and subtle.
783
00:52:06,471 --> 00:52:08,342
And then on the other side
of the coin,
784
00:52:08,473 --> 00:52:10,736
you have movies that are
absolutely out of their minds.
785
00:52:12,694 --> 00:52:15,088
This guy has been
shoving metal into his own leg.
786
00:52:17,134 --> 00:52:18,570
40 kids or whatever
killing each other
787
00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:20,441
in the most brutal of ways.
788
00:52:20,572 --> 00:52:21,573
You could just feel
everyone just be like,
789
00:52:21,703 --> 00:52:23,836
"Oh, my God."
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