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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:49,875 --> 00:00:51,529 Why do people love giant monsters? 2 00:00:51,660 --> 00:00:53,966 I don't know. 3 00:00:54,097 --> 00:00:58,232 Why I love giant monsters is because they wreak havoc. 4 00:01:01,191 --> 00:01:04,107 I love monsters a lot. 5 00:01:04,238 --> 00:01:07,589 And to have a monster that's the size of a skyscraper 6 00:01:07,719 --> 00:01:11,375 is just the best thing in the world. 7 00:01:11,506 --> 00:01:13,725 There isn't a culture on Earth that doesn't 8 00:01:13,856 --> 00:01:16,728 tell stories about monsters. 9 00:01:16,859 --> 00:01:20,732 I think because they represent part of ourselves. 10 00:01:20,863 --> 00:01:25,172 It's that constant battle between our more elevated 11 00:01:25,301 --> 00:01:30,002 human nature and are much more animalistic, ferocious, feral, 12 00:01:30,133 --> 00:01:31,613 and violent, and scary nature. 13 00:01:35,399 --> 00:01:38,924 With most giant monster kaiju films, 14 00:01:39,055 --> 00:01:41,797 there's some upset giant creature 15 00:01:41,926 --> 00:01:43,581 that is getting from point A to point 16 00:01:43,712 --> 00:01:45,757 B, whatever its purpose is, and just 17 00:01:45,888 --> 00:01:48,325 messing up things in its path. 18 00:01:48,456 --> 00:01:49,544 It's as simple as that. 19 00:01:53,156 --> 00:01:56,072 What are the must see giant monster movies? 20 00:02:02,948 --> 00:02:04,341 Horror film, science fiction films, 21 00:02:04,472 --> 00:02:07,257 they mirror the anxieties of the age. 22 00:02:07,388 --> 00:02:11,653 And the 1950s was the Communist menace 23 00:02:11,783 --> 00:02:15,091 and fear of nuclear war, atomic war, 24 00:02:15,222 --> 00:02:16,875 and the effects of radiation. 25 00:02:17,006 --> 00:02:19,835 So you had all of these movies like Invasion 26 00:02:19,965 --> 00:02:20,879 of the Body Snatchers... 27 00:02:21,010 --> 00:02:22,620 They're after you. 28 00:02:22,751 --> 00:02:26,058 They're after all of us, our wives, our children, everyone. 29 00:02:26,189 --> 00:02:27,669 They're here already! 30 00:02:27,799 --> 00:02:29,975 ...I Married A Monster From Outer Space. 31 00:02:30,106 --> 00:02:33,631 So people look the same, but they're not. 32 00:02:33,762 --> 00:02:36,808 There's some thing that crept into Bill's body. 33 00:02:36,939 --> 00:02:38,593 They're evil like your neighbor. 34 00:02:38,723 --> 00:02:42,901 It could be an alien, or a pod person, or a commie. 35 00:02:43,031 --> 00:02:46,862 Or giant bugs, because of radioactive fallout 36 00:02:46,992 --> 00:02:52,346 from mankind's messing with atomic energy. 37 00:02:52,476 --> 00:02:56,828 Them! is probably the one that leaps to mind. 38 00:02:56,959 --> 00:02:58,352 Them! 39 00:02:58,482 --> 00:03:00,180 Them! 40 00:03:00,310 --> 00:03:01,355 Them! 41 00:03:01,485 --> 00:03:05,097 Them! is a classic giant bug movie. 42 00:03:05,228 --> 00:03:07,883 One of the family of Formicidae, an ant. 43 00:03:08,013 --> 00:03:11,669 An ant? I don't believe it. It's not possible. 44 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,628 When these creatures become so big, 45 00:03:13,758 --> 00:03:15,978 that they can dominate the human race, 46 00:03:16,108 --> 00:03:18,763 I mean, how do you fight that? 47 00:03:18,894 --> 00:03:22,767 How do you fight this creature that has zero interest in you 48 00:03:22,898 --> 00:03:25,596 other than as maybe food? 49 00:03:25,727 --> 00:03:28,033 The practical effects that were used, 50 00:03:28,164 --> 00:03:32,560 seeing those giant mandibles in frame and people 51 00:03:32,690 --> 00:03:35,389 touching the hairy bristles that were just 52 00:03:35,519 --> 00:03:38,957 giant porcupine quills, that stuff really, 53 00:03:39,088 --> 00:03:40,220 really was quite visceral. 54 00:03:43,091 --> 00:03:45,180 You think about a movie like Them! 55 00:03:45,312 --> 00:03:47,227 and you think about the look on people's face. 56 00:03:47,357 --> 00:03:50,012 The performance is everything, right? 57 00:03:50,142 --> 00:03:51,666 Because we can't linger our camera 58 00:03:51,796 --> 00:03:53,668 too long on these creatures because you're 59 00:03:53,798 --> 00:03:57,585 going to really quickly see that this is pretty ridiculous. 60 00:03:59,716 --> 00:04:02,677 I can only imagine how difficult it was to perform 61 00:04:02,807 --> 00:04:05,288 amongst those physical props. 62 00:04:05,419 --> 00:04:08,378 So as an actor, you have to give it your all. 63 00:04:12,469 --> 00:04:14,602 It's very cool to watch how they did this. 64 00:04:14,732 --> 00:04:16,517 And what they did with the budget they had. 65 00:04:16,647 --> 00:04:20,608 And it makes you wish that a lot of these movies that came out 66 00:04:20,738 --> 00:04:23,480 in the next few years had as much of a budget 67 00:04:23,611 --> 00:04:25,439 because some of them didn't quite look as good. 68 00:04:31,183 --> 00:04:34,534 We just made spiders big, ants big. 69 00:04:34,665 --> 00:04:37,146 Whatever it was, just made them bigger. 70 00:04:37,277 --> 00:04:39,975 Was it as creative as it could be? 71 00:04:40,105 --> 00:04:43,935 Not necessarily, but it was more effective 72 00:04:44,066 --> 00:04:47,852 in that each of these giant creatures was totally relatable. 73 00:04:47,983 --> 00:04:49,985 We know what a spider is. 74 00:04:50,115 --> 00:04:51,813 We know what an ant is. 75 00:04:51,943 --> 00:04:56,470 And to imagine them that big, that's the horrifying part is we 76 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,299 know what it is. 77 00:04:59,429 --> 00:05:02,693 I have never seen a black and white film 78 00:05:02,824 --> 00:05:05,653 about a irradiated giant animals on the attack, 79 00:05:05,783 --> 00:05:07,916 which I haven't loved. 80 00:05:08,046 --> 00:05:12,442 There is something some eternal 10-year-old inside of me that 81 00:05:12,573 --> 00:05:18,143 just wants to see giant spiders or giant ants march on Santa Fe. 82 00:05:27,370 --> 00:05:28,197 Jesus! 83 00:05:28,328 --> 00:05:30,112 What the hell is going on? 84 00:05:30,242 --> 00:05:31,592 I mean, what the hell is going on! 85 00:05:31,722 --> 00:05:34,203 They might not be very big compared to King Kong 86 00:05:34,334 --> 00:05:36,945 or Godzilla, but one of my favorite giant monsters 87 00:05:37,075 --> 00:05:41,776 are the Graboids in Tremors, which 88 00:05:41,906 --> 00:05:45,562 are these underground slugs that basically have the ability 89 00:05:45,693 --> 00:05:49,740 to like jet propel themselves underneath the Nevada desert 90 00:05:49,871 --> 00:05:52,134 and then pop up and eat people whenever they please. 91 00:05:56,486 --> 00:06:01,578 Tremors is the best monster movie of the '90s, full stop. 92 00:06:01,709 --> 00:06:03,232 Probably one of the smartest monster movies 93 00:06:03,363 --> 00:06:05,930 you're going to get just in general. 94 00:06:06,061 --> 00:06:08,977 The characterization in that movie is fantastic. 95 00:06:09,107 --> 00:06:11,153 The ensemble is amazing. 96 00:06:11,283 --> 00:06:14,374 It's scary. 97 00:06:14,504 --> 00:06:15,766 The humor works. 98 00:06:15,897 --> 00:06:18,682 Roger that, Burt, and congratulations. 99 00:06:18,813 --> 00:06:20,902 Be advised, however, there are two more, 100 00:06:21,032 --> 00:06:23,905 repeat, two more mother humpers. 101 00:06:24,035 --> 00:06:26,473 It takes two guys that we 102 00:06:26,603 --> 00:06:28,300 all can relate to in some way. 103 00:06:28,431 --> 00:06:30,041 They're are good old boys. 104 00:06:30,172 --> 00:06:31,695 They're guys that, like, you would have gone to high school 105 00:06:31,826 --> 00:06:33,610 with. 106 00:06:33,741 --> 00:06:36,396 They have no special skills, really. 107 00:06:36,526 --> 00:06:38,572 They are not scientists. 108 00:06:38,702 --> 00:06:39,964 I don't even know if they're bright. 109 00:06:40,095 --> 00:06:42,053 Well, I'll tell you. 110 00:06:42,183 --> 00:06:44,099 Nobody handles garbage better than we do. 111 00:06:44,229 --> 00:06:45,753 And then it puts them in a monster movie. 112 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:55,066 Tremors also capitalizes on the Jaws POV 113 00:06:55,197 --> 00:06:56,851 like you were in the killer perspective. 114 00:06:59,119 --> 00:07:00,158 No way! 115 00:07:00,289 --> 00:07:03,510 And that is horrifying. 116 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:10,386 And the practical effects of that movie still hold up. 117 00:07:10,517 --> 00:07:13,737 When they trick the one Graboid into smashing into the cement 118 00:07:13,868 --> 00:07:17,741 wall, and then they, like, dig up one end of it, 119 00:07:17,872 --> 00:07:19,526 and Kevin Bacon picks it up. 120 00:07:19,656 --> 00:07:21,310 I found the ass end. 121 00:07:21,441 --> 00:07:23,094 You feel the scope. 122 00:07:23,225 --> 00:07:26,489 You feel how big that thing is because they created that thing, you know? 123 00:07:26,620 --> 00:07:28,230 And it just feels real. 124 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:34,018 When the Graboid comes smashing through Burt Gummer's wall, 125 00:07:34,149 --> 00:07:37,282 and the tentacles come out, it's just so good. 126 00:07:37,413 --> 00:07:40,068 It does kind of take that old school Western idea 127 00:07:40,198 --> 00:07:42,679 that if anybody tries to invade us, we've got guns, 128 00:07:42,810 --> 00:07:44,986 and we're Americans, and we'll blow your ass away. 129 00:07:51,122 --> 00:07:53,473 It's got that message, but done in an amped up 130 00:07:53,603 --> 00:07:55,518 kind of satirical way. 131 00:07:55,649 --> 00:07:57,781 Broke into the wrong goddamn rec room, didn't you, 132 00:07:57,912 --> 00:08:00,392 you bastard? 133 00:08:00,523 --> 00:08:03,004 There is a gleefulness to the movie 134 00:08:03,134 --> 00:08:05,528 that's very hard to recreate. 135 00:08:05,659 --> 00:08:08,836 It's been often imitated, but very hard to recreate. 136 00:08:08,966 --> 00:08:10,446 There's just something very genuine. 137 00:08:10,577 --> 00:08:12,187 It was coming from a genuine place. 138 00:08:12,317 --> 00:08:14,363 And no one saw it coming. 139 00:08:17,671 --> 00:08:18,802 I want to watch this movie tonight. 140 00:08:18,933 --> 00:08:19,803 So good. 141 00:08:19,934 --> 00:08:21,675 Get inside! Get inside! 142 00:08:28,508 --> 00:08:32,947 Cloverfield is a perfect Godzilla film for America 143 00:08:33,077 --> 00:08:34,688 because you care about the people. 144 00:08:34,818 --> 00:08:36,341 There is nothing I can do about that. 145 00:08:36,472 --> 00:08:37,995 The girl that I love more than anything is dying, 146 00:08:38,126 --> 00:08:40,171 and it's my fault. She should have been with me tonight, 147 00:08:40,302 --> 00:08:41,650 and I let her go. 148 00:08:41,782 --> 00:08:43,523 Cloverfield makes 149 00:08:43,653 --> 00:08:46,874 you care about this romance falling apart 150 00:08:47,004 --> 00:08:50,399 and these goofy young people in Manhattan. 151 00:08:50,530 --> 00:08:52,009 ...and bring some guy to my party? 152 00:08:52,140 --> 00:08:54,577 You haven't talked to me in weeks. 153 00:08:54,708 --> 00:08:55,665 - God, man. - Sorry. 154 00:08:55,796 --> 00:08:57,362 Come on. 155 00:08:57,493 --> 00:08:59,713 And you're seeing these emotional dramas between people. 156 00:08:59,843 --> 00:09:02,846 This soap opera element of it is very American. 157 00:09:02,977 --> 00:09:05,936 Rob and Beth totally had sex together. 158 00:09:06,067 --> 00:09:07,416 I knew it. 159 00:09:07,547 --> 00:09:09,505 And it's about their survival. 160 00:09:09,636 --> 00:09:12,464 Cloverfield showed you can be a successful American 161 00:09:12,595 --> 00:09:14,641 young person, your life is great, 162 00:09:14,771 --> 00:09:16,338 and at the drop of a hat... 163 00:09:16,468 --> 00:09:19,384 And hang on to the people that you care about the most. 164 00:09:19,515 --> 00:09:21,038 God. 165 00:09:21,169 --> 00:09:22,170 God. 166 00:09:22,300 --> 00:09:24,041 What the hell was that? 167 00:09:24,172 --> 00:09:25,826 What was that? 168 00:09:25,956 --> 00:09:30,091 It can all be taken away by terrorists, or giant kaiju, or 169 00:09:30,221 --> 00:09:31,962 an invading army, or whatever. 170 00:09:32,093 --> 00:09:33,529 Like, you are not safe. 171 00:09:33,660 --> 00:09:35,618 No matter how much money they put into the military, 172 00:09:35,749 --> 00:09:36,924 it's not going to last forever. 173 00:09:37,054 --> 00:09:38,316 And it's coming. 174 00:09:38,447 --> 00:09:41,276 And partly, it already has come with 9/11. 175 00:09:48,457 --> 00:09:51,503 I think without taking into account 9/11 176 00:09:51,634 --> 00:09:53,636 as context with Cloverfield, you're 177 00:09:53,767 --> 00:09:56,247 missing the point in the way that you would miss the point 178 00:09:56,378 --> 00:09:59,033 if you didn't talk about the atomic bomb 179 00:09:59,163 --> 00:10:00,556 when watching Godzilla. 180 00:10:00,687 --> 00:10:03,167 It's the same connection, and it's why it works. 181 00:10:03,298 --> 00:10:06,649 It works because we're exorcizing 182 00:10:06,780 --> 00:10:08,477 demons through this film. 183 00:10:13,003 --> 00:10:16,050 Cloverfield, for me, is one of those movies that just feels 184 00:10:16,180 --> 00:10:18,530 about as close as you can get to seeing a giant monster attack 185 00:10:18,661 --> 00:10:20,097 because the way it was shot. 186 00:10:22,839 --> 00:10:24,232 You're in it. 187 00:10:24,362 --> 00:10:27,104 Doing a found footage approach to that, I think, 188 00:10:27,235 --> 00:10:29,977 was absolutely brilliant because it's putting you on the ground. 189 00:10:30,107 --> 00:10:31,848 You're basically looking at eye level, 190 00:10:31,979 --> 00:10:33,458 looking at soldiers running around, 191 00:10:33,589 --> 00:10:34,895 and all the camera has to do is go... 192 00:10:38,028 --> 00:10:40,335 and you're just seeing a giant monster 193 00:10:40,465 --> 00:10:41,684 face looking down at you. 194 00:10:41,815 --> 00:10:45,165 That's really horrifying. 195 00:10:45,296 --> 00:10:49,083 The most important part of the Cloverfield creature 196 00:10:49,213 --> 00:10:52,173 that I think dare I say why it was successful 197 00:10:52,303 --> 00:10:56,133 was the fact that we understood his motivation. 198 00:10:59,223 --> 00:11:04,576 The common trait with kaiju type creatures, giant monsters, 199 00:11:04,707 --> 00:11:07,710 is that they are just knocking over buildings 200 00:11:07,841 --> 00:11:13,411 with no specific reason other than violence. 201 00:11:13,542 --> 00:11:18,852 And Cloverfield was a newborn, brand new baby hatched out 202 00:11:18,982 --> 00:11:25,032 of an egg that found itself in an environment 203 00:11:25,162 --> 00:11:27,469 that it was afraid of. 204 00:11:27,599 --> 00:11:30,602 So it was never really trying to destroy New York. 205 00:11:30,733 --> 00:11:32,735 It was just trying to find its mom. 206 00:11:32,866 --> 00:11:34,476 Are you guys seeing this shit right now? 207 00:11:34,606 --> 00:11:35,825 My god. 208 00:11:35,956 --> 00:11:37,392 God. 209 00:11:37,522 --> 00:11:41,396 If you can imbue a creature with a motivation, one 210 00:11:41,526 --> 00:11:43,790 that works for the story, it makes 211 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:45,530 everyone's job so much easier. 212 00:11:45,661 --> 00:11:47,532 And it makes the consumption of that creature 213 00:11:47,663 --> 00:11:52,015 by an audience so much more easy and rich. 214 00:12:11,339 --> 00:12:14,255 Nope. 215 00:12:14,385 --> 00:12:16,126 Nope, my gosh. 216 00:12:16,257 --> 00:12:18,955 I haven't seen a movie in so long 217 00:12:19,086 --> 00:12:23,177 where something as simple as a cloud became menacing. 218 00:12:23,307 --> 00:12:26,920 OJ, it's in the cloud. 219 00:12:28,748 --> 00:12:30,880 It's like the other side of a Joni Mitchell song, right? 220 00:12:31,011 --> 00:12:32,490 Like, clouds, when I see them up and down. 221 00:12:32,621 --> 00:12:34,362 And now, I'm fucking terrified. 222 00:12:38,496 --> 00:12:42,500 In Jordan Peele's Nope, you've got this spacecraft that 223 00:12:42,631 --> 00:12:44,676 is ultimately revealed to not be a spacecraft, 224 00:12:44,807 --> 00:12:47,941 but to actually be this interdimensional, 225 00:12:48,071 --> 00:12:50,726 interstellar creature that has just decided 226 00:12:50,857 --> 00:12:53,424 to live above the desert. 227 00:12:53,555 --> 00:12:55,818 And then once we get into that creature, 228 00:12:55,949 --> 00:13:02,042 as it devours those people, it squishes them in the mouth. 229 00:13:02,172 --> 00:13:04,871 It was so good and so singular. 230 00:13:05,001 --> 00:13:06,916 I had never seen anything like that before. 231 00:13:09,789 --> 00:13:12,182 Once you realize that people are getting sucked up 232 00:13:12,313 --> 00:13:18,362 into this thing and then going through its digestive tract, 233 00:13:18,493 --> 00:13:20,625 I was just like, this is awesome. 234 00:13:23,454 --> 00:13:25,282 And then it, like, when it regurgitates 235 00:13:25,413 --> 00:13:29,591 all of that blood on the house, that's nightmare imagery. 236 00:13:29,721 --> 00:13:34,901 You never imagine a farmhouse being covered in blood. 237 00:13:35,031 --> 00:13:37,033 Jordan takes you inside and you're living what 238 00:13:37,164 --> 00:13:38,513 this character is experiencing. 239 00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:44,519 then you pop out for the wide. 240 00:13:48,740 --> 00:13:51,656 Every kaiju movie is about nature. 241 00:13:51,787 --> 00:13:54,921 And this is absolutely a kaiju film. 242 00:13:55,051 --> 00:13:58,750 Even though there's not a fight, it's still a giant monster 243 00:13:58,881 --> 00:14:03,190 and it's eating people, but there is no expectation 244 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:04,495 that they're going to kill it. 245 00:14:04,626 --> 00:14:07,194 Website like Cyber Dominion will 246 00:14:07,324 --> 00:14:09,500 pay $5,000 to $100k for photographic evidence 247 00:14:09,631 --> 00:14:11,198 of UFOs and shit. 248 00:14:11,328 --> 00:14:13,678 They just want to take a photo of it. 249 00:14:23,601 --> 00:14:24,951 But it opens up, 250 00:14:25,081 --> 00:14:28,389 you know, into this kind of butterfly. 251 00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:32,436 It's more dangerous because it's beautiful. 252 00:14:32,567 --> 00:14:36,049 But yet, it becomes more lethal when it really reveals itself. 253 00:14:40,270 --> 00:14:45,101 It's a film about the feeling of being observed 254 00:14:45,232 --> 00:14:48,322 and the observer. 255 00:14:48,452 --> 00:14:50,193 You can identify with the alien. 256 00:14:50,324 --> 00:14:54,806 You can identify with the band of heroes 257 00:14:54,937 --> 00:14:57,505 because we're all in that space where 258 00:14:57,635 --> 00:15:01,770 we're going back from being the subject to being the watcher. 259 00:15:01,901 --> 00:15:03,032 Are we behind the camera? 260 00:15:03,163 --> 00:15:04,381 Or are we in front of the camera? 261 00:15:11,649 --> 00:15:13,521 That's a weird position to be in. 262 00:15:13,651 --> 00:15:15,044 And that drives you crazy. 263 00:15:17,873 --> 00:15:19,483 And you see what happens to the monkey. 264 00:15:19,614 --> 00:15:21,311 You see what happens to the monster. 265 00:15:21,442 --> 00:15:25,054 And you see what happens to people of color 266 00:15:25,185 --> 00:15:29,624 when they're treated like cattle to be herded 267 00:15:29,754 --> 00:15:32,757 or anything that takes your difference 268 00:15:32,888 --> 00:15:37,197 and makes it a gimmick, something to sell. 269 00:15:37,327 --> 00:15:40,504 So people who say that that movie didn't have the same kind 270 00:15:40,635 --> 00:15:44,508 of cultural, or socioeconomic, or racial undertone the other 271 00:15:44,639 --> 00:15:47,468 two of his films had are wrong. 272 00:15:47,598 --> 00:15:48,991 It's right there. 273 00:16:06,052 --> 00:16:09,316 They're somewhat slow and lethargic until inflamed 274 00:16:09,446 --> 00:16:10,578 by the smell of blood. 275 00:16:22,938 --> 00:16:24,635 What if circumstances magnified one of them 276 00:16:24,766 --> 00:16:26,768 in size and strength? 277 00:16:26,898 --> 00:16:28,639 Then expect something that's fiercer, 278 00:16:28,770 --> 00:16:30,554 more cruel, and deadly than anything 279 00:16:30,685 --> 00:16:31,686 that ever walked the Earth. 280 00:16:35,864 --> 00:16:37,953 There's nothing out there. 281 00:16:38,084 --> 00:16:38,998 Nothing in the mist. 282 00:16:48,964 --> 00:16:53,055 Man, as the dominant species of life on Earth, 283 00:16:53,186 --> 00:16:54,709 will probably be extinct. 284 00:17:06,502 --> 00:17:08,766 You know, King Kong and Godzilla 285 00:17:08,896 --> 00:17:14,555 are not just film history, but they are cultural iconography. 286 00:17:14,685 --> 00:17:17,123 You know, like, they almost represent like America and Japan 287 00:17:17,252 --> 00:17:20,126 in various ways, but, like, they just are pop culture. 288 00:17:20,256 --> 00:17:24,868 Like, they transcend just being, here's these great movies. 289 00:17:33,661 --> 00:17:35,619 My all-time favorite giant monster 290 00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:40,059 film from the classic era, you've got to go with King Kong. 291 00:17:40,189 --> 00:17:42,061 There's a magic to that movie 292 00:17:42,191 --> 00:17:45,542 that is really timeless. 293 00:17:45,673 --> 00:17:48,502 It's still galvanizes you when you watch it. 294 00:17:48,632 --> 00:17:52,462 Did you ever hear of Kong? 295 00:17:52,593 --> 00:17:57,206 It's pure fantasy at a time when things like John Carter... 296 00:17:57,337 --> 00:17:59,687 you know, Burroughs and all that stuff... 297 00:17:59,817 --> 00:18:01,080 was still so popular. 298 00:18:01,210 --> 00:18:04,518 So the idea of going out into the jungle 299 00:18:04,648 --> 00:18:10,001 and finding dinosaurs, and giant spiders, and King Kong, 300 00:18:10,132 --> 00:18:12,047 it still felt like that was possible. 301 00:18:12,178 --> 00:18:19,098 There were unknown parts of the world that you could discover. 302 00:18:19,228 --> 00:18:21,317 King Kong is worshipped as a god 303 00:18:21,448 --> 00:18:23,798 on this island of natives. 304 00:18:23,928 --> 00:18:27,541 And he's not a bad guy. 305 00:18:27,671 --> 00:18:31,153 He's just a misunderstood big giant ape 306 00:18:31,284 --> 00:18:32,937 who happens to fall in love with Fay Wray 307 00:18:33,068 --> 00:18:34,983 because she's just so beautiful. 308 00:18:35,114 --> 00:18:39,727 And he actually saves her life. 309 00:18:39,857 --> 00:18:43,165 And the human men are horrified by this romance 310 00:18:43,296 --> 00:18:45,211 because he's a giant ape. 311 00:18:45,341 --> 00:18:48,518 But we've got something he wants. 312 00:18:48,649 --> 00:18:51,565 Yeah, something he won't get again. 313 00:18:51,695 --> 00:18:56,657 One of the elements of the original film that isn't given 314 00:18:56,787 --> 00:19:00,313 the credit that it's due is the set design of that jungle 315 00:19:00,443 --> 00:19:02,315 and the matte paintings. 316 00:19:02,445 --> 00:19:03,881 It didn't look like a jungle. 317 00:19:04,012 --> 00:19:06,145 It looked like a fairy tale. 318 00:19:06,275 --> 00:19:09,365 And that allowed... the audience's suspension of 319 00:19:09,496 --> 00:19:13,848 disbelief went along with that. 320 00:19:13,978 --> 00:19:16,590 The 1933 Kong, it still holds up 321 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,374 and it's still a pinnacle. 322 00:19:18,505 --> 00:19:21,725 And it's still like a masterwork not only of like storytelling 323 00:19:21,856 --> 00:19:24,728 for the era, but like, technically what they were doing 324 00:19:24,859 --> 00:19:28,254 on display in terms of, like, creating this like fully living, 325 00:19:28,384 --> 00:19:31,431 breathing creature, you know, that really was cotton 326 00:19:31,561 --> 00:19:35,391 and rabbit fur, you know, Kong brought that to life in a way 327 00:19:35,522 --> 00:19:37,263 that I don't think anything else had done before. 328 00:19:42,703 --> 00:19:45,096 There's something so moving 329 00:19:45,227 --> 00:19:48,883 about him lost in the city and fighting for his life. 330 00:19:54,541 --> 00:19:55,498 He's destructive. 331 00:19:55,629 --> 00:19:56,934 He's killing people. 332 00:19:57,065 --> 00:19:58,849 He's smashing planes out of the sky, 333 00:19:58,980 --> 00:20:01,722 but we're rooting for him the whole way. 334 00:20:06,117 --> 00:20:07,945 It's not really so much about, no, we were 335 00:20:08,076 --> 00:20:09,556 attacked by a giant monster. 336 00:20:09,686 --> 00:20:12,994 It's really more about we kind of brought something 337 00:20:13,124 --> 00:20:14,778 here that shouldn't have been here 338 00:20:14,909 --> 00:20:16,476 that was out of its element. 339 00:20:16,606 --> 00:20:18,478 And we shouldn't have done that. 340 00:20:18,608 --> 00:20:21,437 And it's kind of sad and it's kind of our fault. 341 00:20:21,568 --> 00:20:23,657 A really bitter sweet kind of movie, 342 00:20:23,787 --> 00:20:26,442 and that's why I think it really resonated with so many people 343 00:20:26,573 --> 00:20:27,613 and still does. 344 00:20:36,147 --> 00:20:37,758 What does it matter? 345 00:20:37,888 --> 00:20:39,063 Airplanes got him. 346 00:20:39,194 --> 00:20:40,674 It wasn't the airplanes. 347 00:20:45,592 --> 00:20:48,682 It was beauty killed the beast. 348 00:20:48,812 --> 00:20:52,642 Peter Jackson's King Kong was a work of art, technically. 349 00:20:52,773 --> 00:20:55,863 I think the smartest thing about that particular King Kong 350 00:20:55,993 --> 00:21:00,389 was the performance capture utilized 351 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,263 to get that King Kong to be emotive 352 00:21:04,393 --> 00:21:09,137 and to be humanized, have the audiences feel 353 00:21:09,268 --> 00:21:12,488 the empathy that we had only felt 354 00:21:12,619 --> 00:21:14,098 with the original King Kong. 355 00:21:14,229 --> 00:21:15,839 He spanned that distance of time. 356 00:21:15,970 --> 00:21:19,321 And it's like Peter Jackson did what the first King Kong did, 357 00:21:19,452 --> 00:21:21,628 which was make you feel for it. 358 00:21:24,457 --> 00:21:26,502 Peter made a great movie 359 00:21:26,633 --> 00:21:30,550 that was sort of a modern retelling of the original film 360 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,769 with modern special effects. 361 00:21:32,900 --> 00:21:35,032 The thing that was lost for me in it 362 00:21:35,163 --> 00:21:40,386 was the fact that Kong was no longer a capital-M Movie Monster 363 00:21:40,516 --> 00:21:42,997 who stood upright and was bipedal, 364 00:21:43,127 --> 00:21:46,827 and instead was just turned into a giant kind 365 00:21:46,957 --> 00:21:48,089 of silverback gorilla. 366 00:21:53,616 --> 00:21:55,923 One of the things that was really important to me 367 00:21:56,053 --> 00:21:57,968 Skull Island was 368 00:21:58,099 --> 00:22:01,407 bringing back that capital-M Movie Monster vibe. 369 00:22:06,542 --> 00:22:08,065 Early on in my thought process, it 370 00:22:08,196 --> 00:22:10,894 was almost like what would have happened if Kong didn't 371 00:22:11,025 --> 00:22:12,505 get taken off the island. 372 00:22:12,635 --> 00:22:14,507 Could this Kong actually just be an extension 373 00:22:14,637 --> 00:22:15,856 of the older version? 374 00:22:25,169 --> 00:22:26,823 Truly, the first image in my mind 375 00:22:26,954 --> 00:22:30,914 was Kong just silhouetted by the sun set against that orange sky 376 00:22:31,045 --> 00:22:34,396 with the choppers flanking him. 377 00:22:34,527 --> 00:22:35,832 And I've never seen a monster movie 378 00:22:35,963 --> 00:22:38,966 where you bleed in, apocalypse now 379 00:22:39,096 --> 00:22:41,360 over some insane kaiju battle. 380 00:22:45,407 --> 00:22:46,626 I've just never seen that. 381 00:22:46,756 --> 00:22:49,324 And I think so much of cinema right now 382 00:22:49,455 --> 00:22:52,283 and preserving the religious element 383 00:22:52,414 --> 00:22:54,590 of the theatrical experience is like giving people something 384 00:22:54,721 --> 00:22:57,376 they haven't seen before. 385 00:23:09,518 --> 00:23:14,741 I don't know what it is about Godzilla that 386 00:23:14,871 --> 00:23:19,659 is so compelling to people that it's still 387 00:23:19,789 --> 00:23:24,446 much more so than King Kong I think, in a pop cultural sense. 388 00:23:24,577 --> 00:23:28,363 People love him and are drawn to him. 389 00:23:28,494 --> 00:23:31,018 It appeals to something primal that much 390 00:23:31,148 --> 00:23:32,715 more so than King Kong. 391 00:23:32,846 --> 00:23:35,283 You know, Frankenstein is more popular than the Wolfman. 392 00:23:35,414 --> 00:23:36,719 I don't know why. 393 00:23:45,815 --> 00:23:47,904 American audiences know this character as Godzilla, 394 00:23:48,035 --> 00:23:51,517 but the name "Gojira" actually is pretty self-explanatory 395 00:23:51,647 --> 00:23:54,476 because it's a combination of "gorilla," 396 00:23:54,607 --> 00:23:56,913 the Japanese pronunciation of gorilla, 397 00:23:57,044 --> 00:24:01,004 and then "kujira," which is the Japanese pronunciation of whale. 398 00:24:01,135 --> 00:24:05,226 So it's this large creature, you mash them together, 399 00:24:05,356 --> 00:24:10,144 and you have a creature that can traverse land and sea. 400 00:24:10,274 --> 00:24:11,928 There would be no Godzilla without The Beast 401 00:24:12,059 --> 00:24:13,364 from 20,000 Fathoms. 402 00:24:13,495 --> 00:24:18,457 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. 403 00:24:24,332 --> 00:24:27,204 The idea of atomic power 404 00:24:27,335 --> 00:24:30,947 unleashing a natural predator was really 405 00:24:31,078 --> 00:24:33,297 most potent in that film. 406 00:24:33,428 --> 00:24:35,212 When we released the bomb, the heat 407 00:24:35,343 --> 00:24:37,780 generated melted the ice in which this beast 408 00:24:37,911 --> 00:24:40,304 was imprisoned and freed it. 409 00:24:40,435 --> 00:24:42,350 There's a bomb testing. 410 00:24:42,481 --> 00:24:45,266 This ancient dinosaur comes out and wreaks 411 00:24:45,396 --> 00:24:48,095 havoc through America. 412 00:24:48,225 --> 00:24:53,492 And from this kind of humble, but very popular movie, 413 00:24:53,622 --> 00:24:55,145 you get Godzilla. 414 00:25:02,762 --> 00:25:09,682 And Godzilla takes this idea of nuclear power 415 00:25:09,812 --> 00:25:12,467 unleashing a natural predator. 416 00:25:12,598 --> 00:25:15,644 And gives it a resonance that Beast from 20,000 Fathoms 417 00:25:15,775 --> 00:25:17,385 didn't really have. 418 00:25:17,516 --> 00:25:21,520 Godzilla might be one of the quintessential examples of using 419 00:25:21,650 --> 00:25:24,827 horror or sort of fantastic elements 420 00:25:24,958 --> 00:25:27,961 to deal with trauma in a way that maybe if you dealt 421 00:25:28,091 --> 00:25:29,876 with it more directly, then people wouldn't just 422 00:25:30,006 --> 00:25:31,181 wouldn't want to talk about it. 423 00:25:38,580 --> 00:25:41,888 This is nine years after the end of World War II. 424 00:25:42,018 --> 00:25:45,152 Think about the atomic bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. 425 00:25:53,508 --> 00:25:56,511 And I don't think it was even a complaint that the weapons had 426 00:25:56,642 --> 00:26:00,689 been used against Japan so much as the realization 427 00:26:00,820 --> 00:26:04,301 that there was now a new terror in the world. 428 00:26:04,432 --> 00:26:07,174 And the representation of this terror 429 00:26:07,304 --> 00:26:11,265 would be in the form of this giant monster figure. 430 00:26:14,181 --> 00:26:18,577 When you go to the original '54 Gojira, it is 431 00:26:18,707 --> 00:26:23,843 a dark story of cultural PTSD. 432 00:26:23,973 --> 00:26:28,848 Then Godzilla became, in the ensuing years, a toy. 433 00:26:32,373 --> 00:26:34,810 They sort of redesigned the Godzilla a little bit 434 00:26:34,941 --> 00:26:38,771 to seem more kid friendly. 435 00:26:38,901 --> 00:26:41,948 Eyes became a little bit rounder and a little bit more cartoon 436 00:26:42,078 --> 00:26:45,038 like because they realized that Godzilla was 437 00:26:45,168 --> 00:26:48,345 becoming a sort of superhero that kids 438 00:26:48,476 --> 00:26:49,912 really latched on to and loved. 439 00:26:50,043 --> 00:26:51,348 And I was one of those kids. 440 00:26:51,479 --> 00:26:54,830 So I still have a soft spot for that design. 441 00:26:54,961 --> 00:26:57,180 As a kid, you want the giant monster to be your friend. 442 00:26:57,311 --> 00:27:01,620 And with Godzilla, it was fun to cultivate sort of that feeling 443 00:27:01,750 --> 00:27:07,364 that he's on our side and he loves us, which is not 444 00:27:07,495 --> 00:27:10,324 really where it started at all. 445 00:27:10,454 --> 00:27:12,065 To be a little kid and getting 446 00:27:12,195 --> 00:27:17,113 to see this stuff on TV and these bright insane colors 447 00:27:17,244 --> 00:27:21,770 and this music just, you know, 448 00:27:21,901 --> 00:27:24,294 it was just overwhelming. 449 00:27:24,425 --> 00:27:26,862 To this day, if they're on, I watch them. 450 00:27:26,993 --> 00:27:30,300 There's this tendency to want to dismiss the silly films, 451 00:27:30,431 --> 00:27:32,563 but even the ones that maybe don't have a deeper meaning, 452 00:27:32,694 --> 00:27:33,913 I also enjoy. 453 00:27:34,043 --> 00:27:35,610 I mean, I'm someone who likes, you know, 454 00:27:35,741 --> 00:27:37,656 Godzilla versus Megalon. 455 00:27:41,790 --> 00:27:43,662 Some people just aren't fans of that. 456 00:27:43,792 --> 00:27:46,795 The Godzilla of Godzilla versus Megalon 457 00:27:46,926 --> 00:27:50,364 is not the Godzilla of the original Gojira. 458 00:27:50,494 --> 00:27:53,019 It's an arc in that series where it starts 459 00:27:53,149 --> 00:27:56,065 off very gritty and realistic. 460 00:27:56,196 --> 00:27:59,982 And over time, it becomes a parody of itself. 461 00:28:00,113 --> 00:28:02,985 They go through this cycle. 462 00:28:03,116 --> 00:28:05,335 And then they have to reset. 463 00:28:05,466 --> 00:28:06,510 And then they do that a lot. 464 00:28:09,470 --> 00:28:12,473 When I was a kid, Godzilla was more like a hero, you know. 465 00:28:12,603 --> 00:28:15,345 And he was fighting and beating up all other monsters. 466 00:28:15,476 --> 00:28:18,522 And that's what I wanted. 467 00:28:18,653 --> 00:28:22,352 And I knew that, back in 2004, this 468 00:28:22,483 --> 00:28:27,183 is the last opportunity to make old school, man and suit, 469 00:28:27,314 --> 00:28:31,840 Godzilla, which I love. 470 00:28:31,971 --> 00:28:33,929 I knew that, you know, they're going to reboot it, 471 00:28:34,060 --> 00:28:36,410 you know, but it's not going to be like the Godzilla 472 00:28:36,540 --> 00:28:39,718 that I loved when I was a kid. 473 00:28:39,848 --> 00:28:45,941 Godzilla can be hero, can be, you know, scary, can be fun. 474 00:28:46,072 --> 00:28:48,552 It's just like the final big firework carnival. 475 00:28:48,683 --> 00:28:50,380 So let's have fun. 476 00:30:08,850 --> 00:30:15,683 A great Japanese kaiju has a mixture of creature 477 00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:17,380 that comes from nature. 478 00:30:17,511 --> 00:30:20,862 So there are elements of reptiles or mammals, 479 00:30:20,993 --> 00:30:25,040 but they also have a mythological elements to them, 480 00:30:25,171 --> 00:30:30,002 almost a fantastical aspect to their design. 481 00:30:30,132 --> 00:30:32,178 Typically, they don't just take an animal 482 00:30:32,308 --> 00:30:34,441 that we're familiar with and just, you know, 483 00:30:34,571 --> 00:30:36,835 make it 200 feet tall. 484 00:30:36,965 --> 00:30:39,446 There's always flourishes to them. 485 00:30:39,576 --> 00:30:43,493 What I find so compelling about the Japanese point of view 486 00:30:43,624 --> 00:30:48,803 is that they are fearless in respects to aesthetics 487 00:30:48,934 --> 00:30:53,155 and certain choices about these creatures because they go crazy. 488 00:30:53,286 --> 00:30:54,983 I mean, some of them are absolutely zany. 489 00:30:55,114 --> 00:30:57,072 Did you ever see the movie Big Man Japan? 490 00:31:06,821 --> 00:31:08,692 That is nuts. 491 00:31:08,823 --> 00:31:11,217 The stuff makes no sense whatsoever 492 00:31:11,347 --> 00:31:12,392 biologically speaking. 493 00:31:27,102 --> 00:31:30,671 But that's what's so wonderful about it. 494 00:31:30,801 --> 00:31:34,631 As a creative person, I realize how stifled my creativity must 495 00:31:34,762 --> 00:31:36,459 be because I could never come up with that kind 496 00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:38,418 of wonderful lunacy. 497 00:31:43,292 --> 00:31:44,815 For me, Mothra always 498 00:31:44,990 --> 00:31:48,428 has a special place in my heart because, ultimately, she 499 00:31:48,558 --> 00:31:50,256 ends up being a mother, right? 500 00:31:50,386 --> 00:31:52,127 So there you go. Come on. 501 00:31:52,258 --> 00:31:55,043 You got to go with the mother. 502 00:31:55,174 --> 00:31:56,784 The idea of, yeah, big moth. 503 00:31:56,915 --> 00:31:59,004 That'll be scary. 504 00:31:59,134 --> 00:32:01,049 Well, how do we summon it? 505 00:32:01,180 --> 00:32:05,575 Let's have identical twin tiny people and they'll sing. 506 00:32:05,706 --> 00:32:08,448 Mosuraya, Mosura. 507 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,845 It's like, wait, what? 508 00:32:14,976 --> 00:32:18,023 I remember watching Mothra, and they were on, 509 00:32:18,153 --> 00:32:20,416 and my dad coming in, like, what the hell are you watching? 510 00:32:20,547 --> 00:32:21,635 Because it is hard to explain. 511 00:32:25,987 --> 00:32:27,641 Ghidorah was always my favorite 512 00:32:27,771 --> 00:32:30,165 of the entire Toho stable. 513 00:32:30,296 --> 00:32:32,733 Back in the first run, they tended to, like, 514 00:32:32,863 --> 00:32:34,648 give the monsters human qualities, 515 00:32:34,778 --> 00:32:36,955 and anthropomorphize them a little, 516 00:32:37,085 --> 00:32:40,915 and kind of made them almost cuddly. 517 00:32:41,046 --> 00:32:43,526 Ghidorah was the one who didn't. 518 00:32:43,657 --> 00:32:46,834 Ghidorah was a vicious bastard in every film he appeared in. 519 00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:49,141 And, you know, it's a great design. 520 00:32:49,271 --> 00:32:50,925 It's like a classical dragon with three 521 00:32:51,056 --> 00:32:52,883 heads and the golden color. 522 00:32:53,014 --> 00:32:54,929 It's just a very striking creature to look at. 523 00:33:05,461 --> 00:33:08,856 Gamera is my second favorite giant 524 00:33:08,987 --> 00:33:12,164 monster kaiju from Japanese kaiju monster movies. 525 00:33:12,294 --> 00:33:13,643 He is a turtle. 526 00:33:13,774 --> 00:33:16,603 He's essentially like Mothra, represents 527 00:33:16,733 --> 00:33:18,997 the good and the heroic. 528 00:33:19,127 --> 00:33:22,130 And he inspires hope in people that 529 00:33:22,261 --> 00:33:24,698 are being attacked by other giant kaijus 530 00:33:24,828 --> 00:33:26,439 or other forms of evil. 531 00:33:29,485 --> 00:33:32,532 Now those films are really kind of silly, 532 00:33:32,662 --> 00:33:34,795 and Gamera is fighting a monster that 533 00:33:34,925 --> 00:33:37,450 was basically a giant butcher knife with eyes and legs. 534 00:33:43,586 --> 00:33:46,111 And then Shusuke Kaneko came along in the '90s 535 00:33:46,241 --> 00:33:50,767 and completely reimagined the character, put him 536 00:33:50,898 --> 00:33:53,205 into a series of serious, mature, beautifully 537 00:33:53,335 --> 00:33:55,903 crafted films starting with Gamera: 538 00:33:56,034 --> 00:33:59,559 Guardian of the Universe. 539 00:33:59,689 --> 00:34:03,302 Then Gamera 3, I think is, out of all 540 00:34:03,432 --> 00:34:06,914 the Japanese kaiju films from any studio, it's my favorite. 541 00:34:07,045 --> 00:34:08,916 It has a really powerful story. 542 00:34:09,047 --> 00:34:12,005 It has some really interesting themes to it. 543 00:34:12,137 --> 00:34:15,531 It has amazing monster action. 544 00:34:15,661 --> 00:34:19,795 And it is just shot and composed and dramatized in a really, 545 00:34:19,927 --> 00:34:22,973 really powerful way. 546 00:34:23,103 --> 00:34:26,889 The Gamera 3 takes a goofy impossible character 547 00:34:27,021 --> 00:34:30,068 and turns it into a pretty serious film 548 00:34:30,197 --> 00:34:33,810 about the poisonous effects of anger and revenge 549 00:34:33,940 --> 00:34:36,074 on the human soul. 550 00:34:36,204 --> 00:34:42,254 Japan had a closed society for 400 years 551 00:34:42,384 --> 00:34:44,952 in which access to the country was strictly 552 00:34:45,083 --> 00:34:48,172 limited that undoubtedly has shaped 553 00:34:48,303 --> 00:34:53,395 a kind of cultural sensibility for many, many years, centuries 554 00:34:53,525 --> 00:34:54,875 after. 555 00:34:55,005 --> 00:34:58,096 And maybe kaiju are a place where some of this 556 00:34:58,226 --> 00:35:00,228 gets worked through and worked out 557 00:35:00,359 --> 00:35:06,582 this idea of things coming from outside, from beneath the ocean, 558 00:35:06,713 --> 00:35:09,455 from the sky. 559 00:35:09,585 --> 00:35:12,632 So all of these things being dislodged from the Earth 560 00:35:12,762 --> 00:35:15,113 and coming strangely enough at Japan. 561 00:35:26,689 --> 00:35:29,301 Before Bong Joon-ho directed Parasite, 562 00:35:29,431 --> 00:35:33,131 he directed The Host, which is a giant monster film which 563 00:35:33,261 --> 00:35:40,399 is actually about income inequality in South Korea, 564 00:35:40,529 --> 00:35:48,581 but by extension, and throughout the industrial capitalist world. 565 00:35:48,711 --> 00:35:52,280 And so you do get the thrills of a giant monster movie, 566 00:35:52,411 --> 00:35:57,067 but you also get this kind of touching, funny, slightly 567 00:35:57,198 --> 00:36:00,810 heartbreaking story about people who are living on the margins 568 00:36:00,941 --> 00:36:02,334 because they're living, you know, 569 00:36:02,464 --> 00:36:03,683 making it paycheck to paycheck. 570 00:36:16,043 --> 00:36:19,089 You know, the first 30 minutes of that film 571 00:36:19,220 --> 00:36:25,270 from meeting the family and the river attack, 572 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,054 that's perfect filmmaking. 573 00:36:47,553 --> 00:36:51,121 And the creature, that in itself feels fresh. 574 00:36:51,252 --> 00:36:54,299 And it was so inelegant in the way that it moved 575 00:36:54,429 --> 00:36:56,518 and the way that it almost tripped over itself. 576 00:36:56,649 --> 00:37:00,914 And you just had this sense that it lived a pained existence. 577 00:37:07,268 --> 00:37:10,880 The beauty of his filmmaking is all of the set 578 00:37:11,011 --> 00:37:15,407 pieces relate to character. 579 00:37:15,537 --> 00:37:18,453 When this monster starts tearing through things, 580 00:37:18,584 --> 00:37:23,676 in the panic, he loses track of his daughter, 581 00:37:23,806 --> 00:37:28,158 tries to rescue her, grabs the wrong girl's hand. 582 00:37:28,289 --> 00:37:29,551 Looks behind him and the one thing 583 00:37:29,682 --> 00:37:30,944 that he was supposed to do right, 584 00:37:31,074 --> 00:37:32,424 which is protect his daughter, fails. 585 00:37:38,778 --> 00:37:41,607 And you have that great shot of her just 586 00:37:41,737 --> 00:37:43,565 there, as like, you know, it's framed 587 00:37:43,696 --> 00:37:48,222 in a way where the creature isn't even fully in the shot. 588 00:37:48,353 --> 00:37:50,398 Its tail grabs her and rips her out of the frame. 589 00:38:04,456 --> 00:38:09,896 So this family who have had this rough patchy relationship 590 00:38:10,026 --> 00:38:13,291 now have to come together to break away from the government 591 00:38:13,421 --> 00:38:15,423 that's trying to keep them quarantined 592 00:38:15,554 --> 00:38:17,643 to go find this missing girl. 593 00:38:23,997 --> 00:38:33,485 It was layered with great creature design, cool ideas, 594 00:38:33,615 --> 00:38:37,184 and then this Korean point of view that was... 595 00:38:37,315 --> 00:38:39,621 all of it was different than what I was expecting. 596 00:38:39,752 --> 00:38:43,277 So the film kind of left me gobsmacked at the end of it. 597 00:38:43,408 --> 00:38:45,932 I was like, this was powerful. 598 00:38:46,062 --> 00:38:47,803 Bong Joon-ho and that movie, like, 599 00:38:47,934 --> 00:38:52,112 it's just such an incredible piece of filmmaking where all 600 00:38:52,242 --> 00:38:54,375 of the spectacle, all of the genre, 601 00:38:54,506 --> 00:38:56,812 all of the things that people would normally write off 602 00:38:56,943 --> 00:39:00,468 as, like, it's just monsters running around, whatever, like, 603 00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:02,470 it's all based in character, and it's all 604 00:39:02,601 --> 00:39:04,646 based in like relationships. 605 00:39:54,783 --> 00:39:56,263 Let's do this. 606 00:40:23,986 --> 00:40:25,771 The less said about the Roland 607 00:40:25,901 --> 00:40:27,468 Emmerich Godzilla, the better. 608 00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:29,905 But I have to say, I was very impressed 609 00:40:30,036 --> 00:40:32,386 with the first American Godzilla of the trilogy 610 00:40:32,517 --> 00:40:35,389 that came out more recently, Gareth Edwards' film. 611 00:40:38,174 --> 00:40:39,915 Gareth Edwards made this film called 612 00:40:40,046 --> 00:40:42,352 Monsters before Godzilla. 613 00:40:42,483 --> 00:40:44,659 It was really one of those DIY efforts 614 00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:46,705 where Gareth had a hand in everything 615 00:40:46,835 --> 00:40:50,012 even the VFX and creation of the monsters themselves, 616 00:40:50,143 --> 00:40:52,232 but it was one of those kind of handheld, you know, 617 00:40:52,362 --> 00:40:55,365 found footage movies. 618 00:40:55,496 --> 00:40:57,324 The monsters were just used sparingly. 619 00:41:00,022 --> 00:41:01,633 And, you know, he did the same thing 620 00:41:01,763 --> 00:41:04,723 with Godzilla for better or for worse or to the detriment 621 00:41:04,853 --> 00:41:06,376 of some fans. 622 00:41:06,507 --> 00:41:07,465 Open fire! 623 00:41:12,165 --> 00:41:13,732 But it was smart, you know. 624 00:41:13,862 --> 00:41:16,343 It was just smart to blend that kind of docu style 625 00:41:16,474 --> 00:41:17,953 to both movies. 626 00:41:18,084 --> 00:41:19,694 I really enjoyed the fact that it was shot from kind 627 00:41:19,825 --> 00:41:22,828 of a human's eye view in a sense where 628 00:41:22,958 --> 00:41:25,787 you don't quite see everything that's going on as you wouldn't. 629 00:41:25,918 --> 00:41:27,920 If Godzilla was really rampaging through your city, 630 00:41:28,050 --> 00:41:29,487 you would not get a great look at him. 631 00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:34,579 Edwards really kind of choreographed the whole thing 632 00:41:34,709 --> 00:41:36,276 in such a way that you really identified 633 00:41:36,406 --> 00:41:38,626 with the people looking at this giant monster 634 00:41:38,757 --> 00:41:39,975 that's come to destroy them. 635 00:41:46,242 --> 00:41:49,289 We've just been wired and coded 636 00:41:49,419 --> 00:41:50,986 that when we see a giant monster movie, 637 00:41:51,117 --> 00:41:52,771 we got to get the spectacle. 638 00:41:52,901 --> 00:41:55,513 And so I respect Gareth for doing what he did. 639 00:41:55,643 --> 00:41:57,210 And then, of course, Mike Dougherty steps in, 640 00:41:57,340 --> 00:41:58,994 and he's like, here we go. 641 00:41:59,125 --> 00:42:00,169 Let me give you... 642 00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:01,562 let me give you all the monsters, 643 00:42:01,693 --> 00:42:03,172 and you're going to see them all the time. 644 00:42:13,792 --> 00:42:15,707 It's tough because there's 645 00:42:15,837 --> 00:42:17,143 a lot of baggage. 646 00:42:17,273 --> 00:42:18,884 Whenever you're dealing with a legacy character, 647 00:42:19,014 --> 00:42:22,888 there are expectations that the fans have. 648 00:42:23,018 --> 00:42:26,544 But at the same time, you can't craft a movie just for the fans 649 00:42:26,674 --> 00:42:30,112 because then you're alienating your larger general audience. 650 00:42:30,243 --> 00:42:32,941 So you have to find the right balance between the two. 651 00:42:33,072 --> 00:42:34,726 Dougherty's movie, I mean, I don't know what 652 00:42:34,856 --> 00:42:37,467 else you could want, you know? 653 00:42:37,598 --> 00:42:39,426 I mean, I still watch every once in a while. 654 00:42:39,557 --> 00:42:42,429 I'll throw the Rodan attack scene where Rodan 655 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:43,865 shows up for the first time. 656 00:42:48,217 --> 00:42:51,177 Bear McCreary's music is just like, boom, boom, boom, boom. 657 00:42:54,528 --> 00:42:56,269 We got jet fighters flying in. 658 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,099 Rodan doing spins. 659 00:43:05,713 --> 00:43:07,193 I get chills even thinking about it. 660 00:43:07,367 --> 00:43:09,543 I'm like, this is exactly what I want from a kaiju movie. 661 00:43:09,674 --> 00:43:10,718 This is incredible. 662 00:43:10,849 --> 00:43:12,546 When I came on board, they said, 663 00:43:12,677 --> 00:43:14,200 well, we want to do a sequel. 664 00:43:14,330 --> 00:43:18,378 Would you mind using Rodan, Mothra, and King Ghidorah? 665 00:43:18,508 --> 00:43:21,381 And I was like, yes. 666 00:43:21,511 --> 00:43:24,732 Like, no, I would not mind. 667 00:43:24,863 --> 00:43:26,821 I mean, that's just like the best party in the world 668 00:43:26,952 --> 00:43:28,083 this to go hang out with that crew. 669 00:43:32,044 --> 00:43:33,567 I actually wanted to use more. 670 00:43:33,698 --> 00:43:36,396 But then Adam Wingard just went, I'm going to top that. 671 00:43:36,526 --> 00:43:41,183 I'm going to give you a buddy movie, where King Kong is 672 00:43:41,314 --> 00:43:43,708 the hero, and he's John McClane, and he's 673 00:43:43,838 --> 00:43:47,015 going to take on Godzilla. 674 00:43:47,146 --> 00:43:48,974 Godzilla versus Kong has 675 00:43:49,104 --> 00:43:51,324 a gorilla that uses a magic ax. 676 00:43:54,893 --> 00:43:57,591 It's like... and it's funny. 677 00:43:57,722 --> 00:43:59,245 I believe King Kong. 678 00:43:59,375 --> 00:44:01,856 I don't believe he would use an ax. 679 00:44:01,987 --> 00:44:03,336 You draw your own line. 680 00:44:09,255 --> 00:44:10,648 Godzilla versus Kong, I thought 681 00:44:10,778 --> 00:44:17,655 was very fun and a welcome surprise, but it just... 682 00:44:17,785 --> 00:44:20,919 we haven't figured out how to make you feel anything the way 683 00:44:21,049 --> 00:44:23,573 that you felt something with the first Godzilla. 684 00:44:23,704 --> 00:44:26,272 We just haven't figured it out because he's not ours. 685 00:44:26,402 --> 00:44:27,447 He doesn't belong to us. 686 00:44:27,577 --> 00:44:28,448 He belongs to them. 687 00:44:28,578 --> 00:44:29,841 He belongs to the Japanese. 688 00:44:35,498 --> 00:44:37,152 I think any good franchise, it's 689 00:44:37,283 --> 00:44:41,635 able to constantly reboot itself to reflect 690 00:44:41,766 --> 00:44:44,029 the fears of the time. 691 00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:46,422 And so if the first Godzilla film 692 00:44:46,553 --> 00:44:49,687 was reflecting fear of the nuclear age, 693 00:44:49,817 --> 00:44:53,952 then you get to like Hedorah. 694 00:44:54,082 --> 00:44:56,824 You know, he was called the smog monster which 695 00:44:56,955 --> 00:44:58,696 is way less cool in America. 696 00:45:02,134 --> 00:45:03,831 But, you know, Hedorah is technically an alien, 697 00:45:03,962 --> 00:45:05,441 but he feeds off pollution. 698 00:45:05,572 --> 00:45:07,226 And that was coming out in the '70s 699 00:45:07,356 --> 00:45:10,708 when, like, Tokyo was famously gross polluted city. 700 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,675 And to me, in addition to Hedorah being, 701 00:45:21,806 --> 00:45:24,896 you know, symbolism for, like, Tokyo and pollution, 702 00:45:25,026 --> 00:45:28,029 he's just a great foe in that canon. 703 00:45:30,597 --> 00:45:33,208 The Godzilla films always started as a response 704 00:45:33,339 --> 00:45:35,776 to things that were affecting the Japanese people. 705 00:45:35,907 --> 00:45:38,083 And the same thing with Shin Godzilla. 706 00:45:47,832 --> 00:45:50,182 It's hard not to see that film, which 707 00:45:50,312 --> 00:45:54,882 was released in 2016, as a reflection on Japan's response 708 00:45:55,013 --> 00:45:58,581 to 2011, the earthquake, tsunami, and the nuclear crisis 709 00:45:58,712 --> 00:46:00,758 with the Fukushima nuclear reactor. 710 00:46:08,461 --> 00:46:10,115 And Japanese government's 711 00:46:10,245 --> 00:46:13,335 inability to respond quickly, and swiftly, 712 00:46:13,466 --> 00:46:14,641 and protect its citizens. 713 00:46:23,824 --> 00:46:26,958 It is a funny movie, but it is about almost like 714 00:46:27,088 --> 00:46:29,264 Terry Gilliam Brazil-esque in terms 715 00:46:29,395 --> 00:46:31,963 of the madness of bureaucracy. 716 00:46:32,093 --> 00:46:34,530 Like, let's have a meeting to have a meeting about having 717 00:46:34,661 --> 00:46:39,057 a meeting about how we deal with a giant kaiju in this country. 718 00:46:44,889 --> 00:46:47,152 Godzilla's outside, and I'm stuck in meetings. 719 00:46:47,282 --> 00:46:49,676 But that was part of the point that we 720 00:46:49,807 --> 00:46:51,983 have to deal with bureaucracy and decision making. 721 00:46:52,113 --> 00:46:53,506 And I get it, and it's great. 722 00:46:53,636 --> 00:46:57,466 But Godzilla Minus One is a whole different level 723 00:46:57,597 --> 00:46:58,641 of Godzilla movie. 724 00:47:08,434 --> 00:47:10,697 And if it weren't for the original Godzilla, 725 00:47:10,828 --> 00:47:14,353 I would say it's the best. 726 00:47:14,483 --> 00:47:17,138 It's really, really delving 727 00:47:17,269 --> 00:47:22,491 into characterization, and not only that, but the waste 728 00:47:22,622 --> 00:47:24,711 and the horror of war itself. 729 00:47:29,368 --> 00:47:32,675 You can almost take Godzilla out of Godzilla Minus One 730 00:47:32,806 --> 00:47:34,939 and you would still have a hugely compelling 731 00:47:35,069 --> 00:47:39,813 story, the devastation of war from the Japanese point of view. 732 00:47:39,944 --> 00:47:43,295 I really haven't seen that many films that I think really 733 00:47:43,425 --> 00:47:49,954 tackle what it felt like to have gone through this experience. 734 00:47:50,084 --> 00:47:52,739 Midway through, there's possibly 735 00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:55,394 the greatest Godzilla destroys a district 736 00:47:55,524 --> 00:47:58,614 in Japan sequence ever filmed. 737 00:48:03,924 --> 00:48:05,578 There's this thing that happens with this tail 738 00:48:05,708 --> 00:48:07,536 where his spikes jut out. 739 00:48:11,758 --> 00:48:14,413 And, you know, like, something really, really bad is about to happen. 740 00:48:17,764 --> 00:48:20,375 It had me crying, which I had no idea would be 741 00:48:20,506 --> 00:48:22,073 happening in a Godzilla movie. 742 00:48:22,203 --> 00:48:27,208 The Godzilla monster effects are so much fun. 743 00:48:27,339 --> 00:48:29,384 The devastation is, of course, everything 744 00:48:29,515 --> 00:48:34,346 you want from a Godzilla movie, but it has this beautiful core 745 00:48:34,476 --> 00:48:37,871 that you walk out of the theater feeling like, yes, human life 746 00:48:38,002 --> 00:48:39,917 is precious, every single one. 747 00:48:44,182 --> 00:48:46,227 And that's not what you expect from a Godzilla movie. 748 00:48:57,586 --> 00:48:59,240 Ultimately, there's something about kaiju 749 00:48:59,371 --> 00:49:01,242 that is very cinematic, right? 750 00:49:01,373 --> 00:49:02,678 You go to the movie theater. 751 00:49:02,809 --> 00:49:06,508 You look at the big screen. 752 00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:09,772 And so things were better suited to the big screen 753 00:49:09,903 --> 00:49:12,123 than big monsters destroying cities, right? 754 00:49:16,257 --> 00:49:20,087 The appeal of giant monsters and kaiju 755 00:49:20,218 --> 00:49:27,790 is that these are forces so big, so beyond our control 756 00:49:27,921 --> 00:49:29,749 that we can't even begin to truly 757 00:49:29,879 --> 00:49:31,533 defend ourselves against them. 758 00:49:31,664 --> 00:49:34,884 In fact, they sometimes don't even really notice we're there. 759 00:49:35,015 --> 00:49:39,933 Like, it gives us the impression of how we treat insects, 760 00:49:40,064 --> 00:49:43,110 how we crush their houses, and step 761 00:49:43,241 --> 00:49:46,766 on them like they're nothing. 762 00:49:46,896 --> 00:49:50,596 I think this is very true of most monsters and most kaiju, 763 00:49:50,726 --> 00:49:52,380 which is that at the end of the day, 764 00:49:52,511 --> 00:49:54,861 there's actually like an intense tragedy to them 765 00:49:54,992 --> 00:49:56,994 and an intense loneliness to them. 766 00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:05,393 Whether be King Kong, or Godzilla, or any monsters, 767 00:50:05,524 --> 00:50:07,743 everybody, every day, the most painful thing 768 00:50:07,874 --> 00:50:10,529 that happens over and over again is that you're misunderstood. 769 00:50:15,882 --> 00:50:19,277 And to me, kaiju and monster films just 770 00:50:19,407 --> 00:50:23,542 fundamentally tap into that core feeling of being misunderstood. 771 00:50:41,081 --> 00:50:43,518 I believe he is the power. 772 00:50:46,217 --> 00:50:47,213 Mothra. 773 00:50:53,963 --> 00:50:55,047 Gamera. 774 00:51:02,233 --> 00:51:04,191 Have you found anything yet? 775 00:51:04,322 --> 00:51:05,671 Say over. - I just said it. 776 00:51:05,801 --> 00:51:08,065 - I know. Say it again. - Over. 777 00:51:12,852 --> 00:51:14,419 I know an enemy when I see it. 778 00:51:23,254 --> 00:51:24,429 Two, three. 779 00:51:41,924 --> 00:51:42,925 We can capture him alive. 780 00:51:43,056 --> 00:51:44,096 Why, you're crazy. 781 00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:04,295 There's been a lot of great Japanese horror films 782 00:52:04,425 --> 00:52:06,340 that are very moody and subtle. 783 00:52:06,471 --> 00:52:08,342 And then on the other side of the coin, 784 00:52:08,473 --> 00:52:10,736 you have movies that are absolutely out of their minds. 785 00:52:12,694 --> 00:52:15,088 This guy has been shoving metal into his own leg. 786 00:52:17,134 --> 00:52:18,570 40 kids or whatever killing each other 787 00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:20,441 in the most brutal of ways. 788 00:52:20,572 --> 00:52:21,573 You could just feel everyone just be like, 789 00:52:21,703 --> 00:52:23,836 "Oh, my God." 62427

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