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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,700 --> 00:00:08,540 [somber music] 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,070 - Most murder cases are circumstantial. 3 00:00:12,170 --> 00:00:14,540 You don't get a smoking gun. 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,750 - You take one of the things, it's nothing. 5 00:00:17,850 --> 00:00:19,380 Two or three, it's nothing. 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,520 But when you add them up, it's pretty darn strong. 7 00:00:22,620 --> 00:00:25,420 - I never imagined that this thing 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,920 would still be percolating 20 years later. 9 00:00:28,020 --> 00:00:30,760 [invigorating music] 10 00:00:30,860 --> 00:00:33,660 - I have questions about the case. 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,230 It's always bugged me. 12 00:00:35,330 --> 00:00:36,770 - I know people are really heavily 13 00:00:36,870 --> 00:00:39,300 invested that Scott's guilty. 14 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,000 - There is no evidence of cause of death. 15 00:00:41,100 --> 00:00:43,340 There is no evidence of a crime scene. 16 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,340 - Laci's already set the table for Christmas brunch. 17 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,610 You're gonna travel 90 miles away to test your boat? 18 00:00:50,710 --> 00:00:52,210 I didn't buy it. 19 00:00:52,310 --> 00:00:54,320 - There isn't any evidence that Scott Peterson 20 00:00:54,420 --> 00:00:57,290 engaged in any violence involving his wife. 21 00:00:57,390 --> 00:00:59,250 - If you open your mind a little bit, 22 00:00:59,350 --> 00:01:02,060 really consider the investigation, 23 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:03,490 there are a lot of questions. 24 00:01:03,590 --> 00:01:05,260 There have always been a lot of questions. 25 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:06,800 - When you know that the jury 26 00:01:06,900 --> 00:01:08,460 ultimately still convicted him, 27 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,670 you have to ask yourself, what's going on here? 28 00:01:10,770 --> 00:01:14,340 - They gave us, in my opinion, no realistic alternate theory. 29 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,070 - The information we were given in that courtroom 30 00:01:17,170 --> 00:01:19,210 only leads to the decision we came up with, 31 00:01:19,310 --> 00:01:21,180 which is he's guilty. 32 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,410 - The police can't get it this wrong. 33 00:01:24,510 --> 00:01:26,280 The DA can't get it this wrong. 34 00:01:26,380 --> 00:01:28,420 A jury can't get it this wrong. 35 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,290 The appellate process can't get it this wrong. 36 00:01:31,390 --> 00:01:33,290 The media can't get it this wrong. 37 00:01:33,390 --> 00:01:36,520 - Is this the way criminal justice works in America? 38 00:01:36,620 --> 00:01:39,590 - Here I am two decades later, 39 00:01:39,690 --> 00:01:42,430 still trying to solve this crime. 40 00:01:42,530 --> 00:01:44,230 - I'm still investigating. 41 00:01:44,330 --> 00:01:48,440 I'm still looking at the evidence, asking questions. 42 00:01:48,540 --> 00:01:52,210 - It's gonna be a fight for them to accept the truth. 43 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,250 - December 13, 2004. 44 00:02:04,350 --> 00:02:06,020 People of State of California 45 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,390 versus Scott Peterson. 46 00:02:08,490 --> 00:02:11,160 We, the jury, fix the penalty at death. 47 00:02:11,260 --> 00:02:15,100 [dramatic music] 48 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,200 - And in a case that became something of 49 00:02:17,300 --> 00:02:19,870 a national TV obsession, a judge today 50 00:02:19,970 --> 00:02:22,100 formally sentenced Scott Peterson. 51 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:23,670 - In spite of all the pain and passion 52 00:02:23,770 --> 00:02:27,040 expressed in court today, one person showed no emotion-- 53 00:02:27,140 --> 00:02:29,480 Scott Peterson. 54 00:02:29,580 --> 00:02:32,410 - During my trial, I was indignant. 55 00:02:32,510 --> 00:02:35,180 I was so angry at the media, because the reports 56 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:36,650 just weren't factual. 57 00:02:36,750 --> 00:02:38,790 I strived not to show any emotion in the courtroom 58 00:02:38,890 --> 00:02:42,690 because I didn't wanna, you know, see them break me. 59 00:02:42,790 --> 00:02:49,660 * * 60 00:02:51,500 --> 00:02:54,300 [indistinct chatter] 61 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,540 - When Scott was moved to death row, 62 00:02:56,640 --> 00:02:59,910 we made every effort to get up there and visit him. 63 00:03:00,010 --> 00:03:02,380 For the first eight years, 64 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,280 we had someone there every week. 65 00:03:06,580 --> 00:03:11,450 - Our family has really been the glue for Scott 66 00:03:11,550 --> 00:03:14,820 and for each other through these-- 67 00:03:14,920 --> 00:03:16,290 these hard times. 68 00:03:16,390 --> 00:03:20,400 And just fortunate that that's the case. 69 00:03:20,500 --> 00:03:24,770 - He would repeatedly say he-- he was living visit to visit. 70 00:03:24,870 --> 00:03:26,670 It was his lifeline. 71 00:03:26,770 --> 00:03:28,100 [cell door clangs] 72 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,070 [suspenseful music] 73 00:03:31,170 --> 00:03:33,070 * * 74 00:03:33,170 --> 00:03:36,580 [birds chirping] 75 00:03:40,650 --> 00:03:43,120 - Sitting through Scott's trial 76 00:03:43,220 --> 00:03:44,820 and then spending years 77 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,490 combing over police reports, reading appellate documents, 78 00:03:48,590 --> 00:03:51,390 talking with lawyers, our family had 79 00:03:51,490 --> 00:03:53,360 kind of been tethered to the legal community 80 00:03:53,460 --> 00:03:54,900 for 17 years. 81 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,870 My kids were grown. 82 00:03:56,970 --> 00:04:00,600 Ultimately, I made the decision to go to law school. 83 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,240 I certainly never have felt like I needed to become 84 00:04:06,340 --> 00:04:08,580 a lawyer to help Scott. 85 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,580 But I think now that I am a lawyer, 86 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,220 I certainly have a much better understanding 87 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,320 of the case and the issues. 88 00:04:17,420 --> 00:04:19,650 If Scott is granted a new trial, 89 00:04:19,750 --> 00:04:22,460 we'll be able to take more steps in the investigation. 90 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,660 We'll be able to call people to court to testify. 91 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,730 We have an incredible support system, 92 00:04:27,830 --> 00:04:30,830 an incredible team of people who know this case 93 00:04:30,930 --> 00:04:32,670 and help our family. 94 00:04:32,770 --> 00:04:36,640 And without them, we wouldn't be where we're at. 95 00:04:36,740 --> 00:04:39,370 And without Mike Gudgell, 96 00:04:39,470 --> 00:04:41,210 I don't know that our investigation 97 00:04:41,310 --> 00:04:43,780 would be where it's at. 98 00:04:47,020 --> 00:04:49,380 [cheering] 99 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,250 - I thought that the trial was going to be 100 00:04:51,350 --> 00:04:53,720 the arbiter of the truth. 101 00:04:53,820 --> 00:04:55,690 And I don't think that's accurate. 102 00:04:57,460 --> 00:04:58,930 Most of the journalists covered the story 103 00:04:59,030 --> 00:05:02,600 from beginning to end, I think expected a hung jury. 104 00:05:02,700 --> 00:05:05,270 I don't know anyone who isn't terribly 105 00:05:05,370 --> 00:05:07,500 conflicted by the verdict. 106 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,370 It was troubling for those of us who really 107 00:05:10,470 --> 00:05:13,710 knew the case intimately. 108 00:05:13,810 --> 00:05:17,810 Scott was convicted, but there was no how, where, 109 00:05:17,910 --> 00:05:20,680 when, even why. 110 00:05:20,780 --> 00:05:24,690 Everyone involved in the case contributed in some way 111 00:05:24,790 --> 00:05:28,620 to a sort of a conspiracy of circumstances 112 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,430 that led to the verdict. 113 00:05:30,530 --> 00:05:33,360 - Anybody who disagrees with the verdict, 114 00:05:33,460 --> 00:05:34,860 you have a right to disagree. 115 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,330 But if you weren't there, you don't know. 116 00:05:38,430 --> 00:05:40,400 - A lot of media coverage, 117 00:05:40,500 --> 00:05:42,770 so I think the jury pool was partly biased. 118 00:05:42,870 --> 00:05:46,610 - Why did he leave his wife alone, eight months pregnant, 119 00:05:46,710 --> 00:05:49,880 on Christmas Eve to go fishing by himself? 120 00:05:49,980 --> 00:05:52,850 - There was a tremendous pressure on the media 121 00:05:52,950 --> 00:05:54,650 to report every day. 122 00:05:54,750 --> 00:05:57,350 And as a consequence, particularly the tabloid press 123 00:05:57,450 --> 00:05:58,650 would report rumors. 124 00:05:58,750 --> 00:06:01,390 - Was Scott Peterson planning to hire hit men 125 00:06:01,490 --> 00:06:02,820 to kill his wife, Laci? 126 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:07,400 - Every evening, I would sit and watch one of the shows 127 00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:10,470 and I'd wanna throw my shoe at the TV. 128 00:06:10,570 --> 00:06:12,930 Initially, I spent a year, year and a half 129 00:06:13,030 --> 00:06:14,940 covering a case from beginning to end. 130 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,370 I went on to do other things, including covering the wars 131 00:06:19,470 --> 00:06:21,310 in Iraq and Afghanistan. 132 00:06:21,410 --> 00:06:23,980 But it always bothered me. 133 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,720 [unsettling music] 134 00:06:27,820 --> 00:06:30,420 I don't really even think the case was solved. 135 00:06:33,860 --> 00:06:36,860 So when I got back from covering the two wars, 136 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:42,600 I devoted as much time as I could to digging more into 137 00:06:42,700 --> 00:06:45,000 what might have happened to Laci. 138 00:06:45,100 --> 00:06:46,430 This is 2015. 139 00:06:46,530 --> 00:06:47,640 The first thing I had to do was get 140 00:06:47,740 --> 00:06:50,840 the 50,000 pages of documents and police reports. 141 00:06:50,940 --> 00:06:52,640 And then I had to go through those documents 142 00:06:52,740 --> 00:06:55,540 and find what questions or clues 143 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,510 were buried in those pages. 144 00:06:58,610 --> 00:07:00,750 There was dozens of different tips that came in, 145 00:07:00,850 --> 00:07:04,420 and I spent years looking into those. 146 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:05,750 But it finally came down 147 00:07:05,850 --> 00:07:08,560 to the burglary across the street. 148 00:07:08,660 --> 00:07:09,760 - We have two people in custody. 149 00:07:09,860 --> 00:07:11,790 We do not believe that, at this time, 150 00:07:11,890 --> 00:07:14,830 that there's any connection with the missing of Laci. 151 00:07:14,930 --> 00:07:17,700 [ominous music] 152 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,740 - The police characterized the Medina burglary 153 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,470 as kind of a meth addict, and it was a crime of opportunity. 154 00:07:26,010 --> 00:07:28,980 The Airport District was sort of a high crime area 155 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,110 not far from Laci and Scott's house. 156 00:07:32,210 --> 00:07:34,550 And there was a larger effort 157 00:07:34,650 --> 00:07:37,420 to burglarize houses in that neighborhood. 158 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:38,890 I would call it a criminal network. 159 00:07:40,690 --> 00:07:42,690 I suspect that more people were involved 160 00:07:42,790 --> 00:07:45,490 in the burglary than Steven Todd and Glenn Pearce. 161 00:07:45,590 --> 00:07:47,600 This is just a working theory. 162 00:07:47,700 --> 00:07:49,000 I haven't been able to prove it yet. 163 00:07:49,100 --> 00:07:51,430 And that comes to the question of smoking gun. 164 00:07:51,530 --> 00:07:53,840 But I think it's much more complicated 165 00:07:53,940 --> 00:07:56,710 than what the police believe. 166 00:08:00,980 --> 00:08:03,810 - Steven Todd and Glenn Pearce admitted their involvement 167 00:08:03,910 --> 00:08:06,750 with the Medina burglary, telling the police 168 00:08:06,850 --> 00:08:10,050 that the burglary happened on December 27th. 169 00:08:10,150 --> 00:08:12,050 When the police pointed out to them that it couldn't have 170 00:08:12,150 --> 00:08:15,620 happened on the 27th because the Medinas were already home, 171 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,790 they changed their story and said that the burglary 172 00:08:18,890 --> 00:08:20,800 happened on the 26th. 173 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,930 It wasn't until much later that people began to question 174 00:08:26,030 --> 00:08:29,870 whether this burglary really occurred on December 26. 175 00:08:31,940 --> 00:08:34,110 We believe that Laci encountered the Medina 176 00:08:34,210 --> 00:08:37,550 burglary on December 24th. 177 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,720 At 11:40 a.m., Diane Jackson saw three men 178 00:08:43,820 --> 00:08:46,650 that were dark-skinned, not African American, 179 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,760 in front of the Medina home. 180 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,100 - So I think Steven Todd shared information 181 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:55,630 about the Medina home 182 00:08:55,730 --> 00:08:57,670 with people in the Airport District. 183 00:08:57,770 --> 00:09:02,640 It's their practice to share targets like that. 184 00:09:04,070 --> 00:09:06,680 It's possible that three men in the van 185 00:09:06,780 --> 00:09:08,910 were some of his friends or accomplices. 186 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:12,550 - So what likely happened is, 187 00:09:12,650 --> 00:09:14,620 other people showed up to help. 188 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,990 The police have never identified that van, 189 00:09:18,090 --> 00:09:20,720 never identified the men associated with the van. 190 00:09:20,820 --> 00:09:23,560 And that van was parked directly in front of the house 191 00:09:23,660 --> 00:09:25,130 that was burglarized. 192 00:09:25,230 --> 00:09:27,360 It's directly across the street from Scott and Laci's home. 193 00:09:27,460 --> 00:09:30,800 So this confrontation with Laci could have involved 194 00:09:30,900 --> 00:09:33,700 the people in the van, not necessarily 195 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,070 Steven Todd and Glenn Pearce. 196 00:09:36,170 --> 00:09:39,710 - Steven Todd confessed almost immediately to the burglary. 197 00:09:39,810 --> 00:09:42,780 And I think that says something. 198 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,610 I think he was told, you're gonna have to take the fall. 199 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,420 I mean, you know, there's a confidential informant 200 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:53,090 that turned him in, so he was gonna serve time regardless. 201 00:09:53,190 --> 00:09:56,260 The burglary could have occurred about the same time 202 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,960 Laci went for a walk. 203 00:09:59,060 --> 00:10:02,600 It's possible that Laci confronted the burglars 204 00:10:02,700 --> 00:10:04,870 or saw the burglars, or the burglars saw her 205 00:10:04,970 --> 00:10:07,970 and were worried about whether she would call the police. 206 00:10:10,910 --> 00:10:15,980 - So if you didn't kill Laci, who killed Laci? 207 00:10:34,660 --> 00:10:38,070 [ominous music] 208 00:10:38,170 --> 00:10:40,900 - We had a client who was innocent 209 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,270 but an entire world against him. 210 00:10:45,370 --> 00:10:47,710 He's not capable of doing this. 211 00:10:47,810 --> 00:10:51,150 And we truly believe that. 212 00:10:51,250 --> 00:10:55,220 We also believe that--that the evidence backed us up on it. 213 00:10:58,450 --> 00:11:02,690 To have a verdict of guilty 214 00:11:02,790 --> 00:11:07,100 and then the death penalty, 215 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,270 no words can describe the disappointment, the sadness. 216 00:11:11,370 --> 00:11:13,200 It was a huge shock. 217 00:11:13,300 --> 00:11:18,940 I thought, despite the hatred towards Scott, 218 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,810 that they would actually listen to the evidence 219 00:11:22,910 --> 00:11:26,650 and they would base their decision on the evidence 220 00:11:26,750 --> 00:11:27,980 and only on the evidence. 221 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,090 Because I thought, there's no evidence here. 222 00:11:30,190 --> 00:11:31,750 There's no forensic evidence, there's nothing 223 00:11:31,850 --> 00:11:34,190 to tie him to the murder. 224 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,630 Our client didn't do it. 225 00:11:38,730 --> 00:11:39,930 Nothing has changed since. 226 00:11:40,030 --> 00:11:42,960 In fact, at this point, years later, 227 00:11:43,060 --> 00:11:45,630 there's more exonerating evidence 228 00:11:45,730 --> 00:11:47,770 that have come to light. 229 00:11:47,870 --> 00:11:49,740 - In my years of investigating it, 230 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,440 I investigated a lot of leads 231 00:11:52,540 --> 00:11:54,310 and looked at all possibilities-- 232 00:11:54,410 --> 00:11:57,110 that Scott was involved in a murder for hire, 233 00:11:57,210 --> 00:11:59,910 Laci was abducted for her unborn child. 234 00:12:00,020 --> 00:12:01,850 Most of them have been dead ends, 235 00:12:01,950 --> 00:12:03,920 but a process of elimination at this point. 236 00:12:04,020 --> 00:12:06,020 And, you know, there are a few things 237 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,890 that are left that are promising. 238 00:12:11,390 --> 00:12:14,330 And I think the most important piece of information 239 00:12:14,430 --> 00:12:16,030 is the van. 240 00:12:19,430 --> 00:12:22,740 [tense music] 241 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,070 At the very beginning, police were looking for a brown van. 242 00:12:25,170 --> 00:12:28,440 And all the media was also looking for a brown van. 243 00:12:28,540 --> 00:12:30,080 - A brown van could back up 244 00:12:30,180 --> 00:12:31,980 a defense theory Laci was abducted. 245 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:33,680 - Numerous witnesses reported seeing 246 00:12:33,780 --> 00:12:37,320 a suspicious brown van in the neighborhood that morning. 247 00:12:37,420 --> 00:12:41,790 - I noticed three people across the street on the Medinas' lawn 248 00:12:41,890 --> 00:12:44,260 and they were right next to a van. 249 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:45,230 - I always look around. 250 00:12:45,330 --> 00:12:47,760 And I have never seen a van like that before. 251 00:12:47,860 --> 00:12:49,730 - And so you saw the van, coincidentally, 252 00:12:49,830 --> 00:12:50,970 at the same time you saw Laci? Or-- 253 00:12:51,070 --> 00:12:52,970 - Yes. No, no, same time. 254 00:12:53,070 --> 00:12:54,400 - There's some variation, but there were three or four 255 00:12:54,500 --> 00:12:57,210 witnesses who saw the same van across from the Petersons', 256 00:12:57,310 --> 00:13:01,080 next to the Medina home, on the morning Laci disappeared. 257 00:13:04,250 --> 00:13:07,150 And then I heard about an orange van 258 00:13:07,250 --> 00:13:10,850 that had burned in the Airport District 259 00:13:10,950 --> 00:13:12,790 the morning after Laci disappeared. 260 00:13:12,890 --> 00:13:14,220 Maybe that's our brown van? 261 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,190 - Police recently took the van to this crime lab, 262 00:13:17,290 --> 00:13:20,200 examined it, and concluded that the van was not 263 00:13:20,300 --> 00:13:22,660 in any way involved in the disappearance 264 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:24,900 of Laci Peterson. 265 00:13:26,700 --> 00:13:30,010 - I remember sort of, you know, those internal instinctual 266 00:13:30,110 --> 00:13:33,340 alarm bells going off that there was something wrong 267 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,680 and that--this sort of feeling stuck with me. 268 00:13:36,780 --> 00:13:38,210 So that's 2004. 269 00:13:38,310 --> 00:13:40,350 And then fast forward over ten years. 270 00:13:43,550 --> 00:13:45,990 [suspenseful music] 271 00:13:46,090 --> 00:13:48,290 Not believing everything I heard 272 00:13:48,390 --> 00:13:50,490 either in the media or the police, 273 00:13:50,590 --> 00:13:54,300 I started following the leads. 274 00:13:54,400 --> 00:14:00,040 I decided to look through all the documents, 40,000 pages. 275 00:14:00,140 --> 00:14:04,310 I started, on my own, interviewing witnesses. 276 00:14:04,410 --> 00:14:06,680 I went to interview the owner of the van 277 00:14:06,780 --> 00:14:10,210 where it was stolen, a moving and rigging company. 278 00:14:10,310 --> 00:14:13,150 And he told me that the employees could take 279 00:14:13,250 --> 00:14:15,150 some of the vehicles home and he believed 280 00:14:15,250 --> 00:14:17,290 it was kind of an inside job. 281 00:14:17,390 --> 00:14:20,990 If it was an inside job, and if employees were allowed 282 00:14:21,090 --> 00:14:23,090 to take the van home for the weekend or whatever, 283 00:14:23,190 --> 00:14:25,230 they could have just taken the van back 284 00:14:25,330 --> 00:14:27,330 and no one would have even known. 285 00:14:27,430 --> 00:14:29,360 So I think very logical that it was burned 286 00:14:29,460 --> 00:14:32,500 to cover up a crime. 287 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,370 After that, I'm looking into 288 00:14:34,470 --> 00:14:37,070 the criminal community in Modesto, 289 00:14:37,170 --> 00:14:38,240 and some of the names I'm seeing 290 00:14:38,340 --> 00:14:40,580 are associated with that burnt van. 291 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,310 The last person to drive it 292 00:14:42,410 --> 00:14:45,250 definitely had a criminal record, including burglary. 293 00:14:45,350 --> 00:14:48,850 And a family member of the owner of the van 294 00:14:48,950 --> 00:14:53,290 was associated, a friend of Steven Todd. 295 00:14:53,390 --> 00:14:56,490 Steven Todd's wife's sister lived in a house 296 00:14:56,590 --> 00:14:59,460 right next to where the burnt van was found. 297 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,560 - The thing about the Airport District, 298 00:15:01,660 --> 00:15:03,230 it isn't that big of an area. 299 00:15:03,330 --> 00:15:06,170 And to have a burned-out van found near the relative 300 00:15:06,270 --> 00:15:09,140 of one of the burglars isn't anything, to me, 301 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,540 that would be suspicious whatsoever. 302 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,040 Why now is this just coming up? 303 00:15:14,140 --> 00:15:16,510 It seems interesting to me. 304 00:15:16,610 --> 00:15:22,520 * * 305 00:15:22,620 --> 00:15:24,220 - I wanna show you the van. 306 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,220 So these are the six color pictures I was able to get. 307 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,230 And to my knowledge, are the only pictures 308 00:15:30,330 --> 00:15:34,230 that remain out of possibly over a hundred that were shot. 309 00:15:36,430 --> 00:15:39,070 I found the three- or four-page report 310 00:15:39,170 --> 00:15:41,270 from Bryan Spitulski, the arson investigator. 311 00:15:41,370 --> 00:15:44,140 So I decided to give him a visit. 312 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,040 And he looked at me and he said, 313 00:15:46,140 --> 00:15:47,910 I've been waiting ten years for someone 314 00:15:48,010 --> 00:15:49,440 to come and ask questions about this. 315 00:15:52,710 --> 00:15:54,250 - My name is Bryan Spitulski. 316 00:15:54,350 --> 00:15:56,690 I've been a fire investigator for almost 30 years. 317 00:15:56,790 --> 00:15:59,150 In 2002, I was a fire investigator 318 00:15:59,250 --> 00:16:01,260 for Modesto City Fire Department. 319 00:16:03,260 --> 00:16:07,500 December 25th, the fire came in for a vehicle fire 320 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,960 in an alleyway. 321 00:16:10,070 --> 00:16:12,070 As I did my walk around, I noticed 322 00:16:12,170 --> 00:16:14,000 there was a mattress in the back of the van 323 00:16:14,100 --> 00:16:17,140 that was mostly consumed by the fire. 324 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,610 - And they put this round gas can over the mattress, 325 00:16:19,710 --> 00:16:23,580 I'm sure thinking that the gas can would destroy the mattress. 326 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,220 But the metal gas can actually protected this 327 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,350 foot-and-a-half circle of mattress. 328 00:16:30,450 --> 00:16:31,920 - It was a little bit discolored, 329 00:16:32,020 --> 00:16:33,360 but it wasn't burned at all. 330 00:16:33,460 --> 00:16:35,960 It's kind of a grayish off-white fabric 331 00:16:36,060 --> 00:16:38,930 with rust-colored stains in it. 332 00:16:39,030 --> 00:16:40,400 It looked like blood to me. 333 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:46,530 And I cut away a piece of that fabric so we could understand, 334 00:16:46,630 --> 00:16:50,310 was this just a rust color or was this truly blood? 335 00:16:51,470 --> 00:16:53,380 When we cut it away and we stuck it 336 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,510 into the container that had the luminol in it, 337 00:16:56,610 --> 00:16:57,280 it went blue. 338 00:16:57,380 --> 00:16:59,680 There's human blood on that item. 339 00:16:59,780 --> 00:17:05,020 * * 340 00:17:05,120 --> 00:17:07,660 [birds chirping] 341 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,460 [car horn honking] 342 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:14,630 - Between Christmas and New Year's, 343 00:17:14,730 --> 00:17:18,430 the news started to come out about Laci missing. 344 00:17:18,530 --> 00:17:20,440 When I heard that, that's when I got on the phone 345 00:17:20,540 --> 00:17:24,170 and called up my detective and said, look, 346 00:17:24,270 --> 00:17:26,270 now, you know, we've got this van. 347 00:17:26,370 --> 00:17:28,310 We've got a mattress in the back of it. 348 00:17:28,410 --> 00:17:31,010 It's similar in description of what everybody's saying. 349 00:17:31,110 --> 00:17:32,080 I think you need to take a look at that. 350 00:17:32,180 --> 00:17:34,920 [inquisitive music] 351 00:17:35,020 --> 00:17:37,450 - The detectives came out. The police chief came out. 352 00:17:37,550 --> 00:17:41,290 It was a really high-profile development in the case. 353 00:17:41,390 --> 00:17:44,230 The first test at the scene, 354 00:17:44,330 --> 00:17:45,990 right after they found the van, 355 00:17:46,090 --> 00:17:47,160 was a presumptive test. 356 00:17:47,260 --> 00:17:49,200 It's a field test. 357 00:17:49,300 --> 00:17:51,330 - And then the next day, a sample would be 358 00:17:51,430 --> 00:17:53,800 hand-delivered to the Department of Justice 359 00:17:53,900 --> 00:17:57,140 for a more in-depth analysis. 360 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:58,470 - And it was tested there, 361 00:17:58,570 --> 00:18:00,480 and they couldn't detect blood. 362 00:18:04,510 --> 00:18:07,750 - So at that point, it seemed like 363 00:18:07,850 --> 00:18:12,020 the--the air left the van. 364 00:18:12,120 --> 00:18:16,620 It was no longer something that needed to be looked at. 365 00:18:16,730 --> 00:18:21,230 Even though we had the positive luminol test, 366 00:18:21,330 --> 00:18:23,500 that was it. It was done. 367 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:28,640 * * 368 00:18:28,740 --> 00:18:32,040 It has been in my mind and has kept me awake 369 00:18:32,140 --> 00:18:35,110 and has bothered me at night. 370 00:18:35,210 --> 00:18:37,380 Why didn't this get brought up? 371 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,450 There's blood on a mattress in a van 372 00:18:40,550 --> 00:18:46,290 that was burned about a mile from where Laci disappeared. 373 00:18:46,390 --> 00:18:49,390 That screams "needs further investigation." 374 00:18:49,490 --> 00:18:51,360 - They couldn't determine whether it was human blood 375 00:18:51,460 --> 00:18:53,560 or not, but there was human DNA. 376 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,630 I contacted the defense and said, 377 00:18:57,730 --> 00:19:00,470 are you aware of these photographs? 378 00:19:00,570 --> 00:19:02,340 They weren't aware of it. 379 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,610 But they asked for the photos themselves 380 00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:08,180 and then they asked for further testing. 381 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,710 It's possible that they could get a sequencing 382 00:19:10,810 --> 00:19:14,450 and find out whose DNA is on that mattress. 383 00:19:40,410 --> 00:19:42,580 - When you think about it, it basically comes down 384 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,510 that there was a crime, there's DNA. 385 00:19:45,610 --> 00:19:49,680 We should probably find out whose DNA it is. 386 00:19:49,780 --> 00:19:51,420 Pretty simple. 387 00:19:56,190 --> 00:19:57,690 [birds chirping] 388 00:19:57,790 --> 00:20:00,560 [dog barking] 389 00:20:01,930 --> 00:20:03,130 - Hello. - Hi. 390 00:20:03,230 --> 00:20:04,230 - Hi. Good to see you again. 391 00:20:04,330 --> 00:20:06,570 - Good to see you. 392 00:20:06,670 --> 00:20:07,500 Good. 393 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,240 Ready to work. - All right. 394 00:20:09,340 --> 00:20:12,640 [suspenseful music] 395 00:20:12,740 --> 00:20:14,610 - Well, I was thinking it could just be a good idea 396 00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:17,110 to kinda lay out big picture of what we know 397 00:20:17,210 --> 00:20:19,280 the evidence to be right now. 398 00:20:19,380 --> 00:20:21,620 This is the evidence, starting with some of the things 399 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,420 we've known for 20 years, all the way up to new evidence 400 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:26,820 we've just obtained in the last year 401 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,360 and how we worked our way through this evidence 402 00:20:30,460 --> 00:20:33,130 as kind of a family and a team of people 403 00:20:33,230 --> 00:20:34,760 trying to solve a crime. 404 00:20:34,860 --> 00:20:38,470 We all know that Laci went missing on December 24th. 405 00:20:38,570 --> 00:20:41,600 The dog was found in the neighborhood with a leash on. 406 00:20:41,700 --> 00:20:45,170 Karen Servas had put McKenzie back in the yard 407 00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:46,910 no later than 10:18. 408 00:20:47,010 --> 00:20:49,240 And she had closed the gate. 409 00:20:49,340 --> 00:20:50,580 The neighbors across the street, 410 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,580 they had left the morning of December 24th. 411 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,480 They returned home December 26th 412 00:20:54,580 --> 00:20:56,450 to find their home has been burglarized. 413 00:20:56,550 --> 00:20:58,490 You have the neighbor, Diane Jackson, 414 00:20:58,590 --> 00:21:01,390 seeing a van and men the morning of December 24th, 415 00:21:01,490 --> 00:21:02,760 the day that Laci went missing. 416 00:21:02,860 --> 00:21:05,630 So the evidence indicates that the Medina burglary 417 00:21:05,730 --> 00:21:07,760 started the morning of December 24th. 418 00:21:09,630 --> 00:21:11,930 The Medinas, who lived across the street, 419 00:21:12,030 --> 00:21:14,370 didn't leave until 10:30. 420 00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:17,470 So there was a perception that the Medina burglary 421 00:21:17,570 --> 00:21:20,340 was unrelated to what happened to Laci 422 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,680 because the Medinas hadn't left yet. 423 00:21:24,410 --> 00:21:26,980 - So many of the mistakes have to do 424 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,280 with the Karen Servas timeline. 425 00:21:29,380 --> 00:21:30,920 - You found the dog in the street. 426 00:21:31,020 --> 00:21:32,320 - Yes, I did. 427 00:21:32,420 --> 00:21:33,860 - And put the dog in the backyard. 428 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,090 That ended up being very critical to the prosecution's 429 00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:40,530 case because they needed to establish a certain time. 430 00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:42,760 - Scott Peterson, based on triangulation 431 00:21:42,860 --> 00:21:45,270 of cell phone records and cell phone towers, 432 00:21:45,370 --> 00:21:48,500 in his own neighborhood at 10:08. 433 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,640 At 10:18, the neighbor finds the dog 434 00:21:52,740 --> 00:21:54,480 running free with a muddy leash. 435 00:21:54,580 --> 00:21:56,680 - That's a DA timeline. 436 00:21:56,780 --> 00:21:58,880 That's not the defense timeline. 437 00:21:58,980 --> 00:22:01,920 She could have gone missing at any hour that morning. 438 00:22:02,020 --> 00:22:05,820 - The judge bought into this Karen Servas timeline, 439 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,860 the idea that Laci's already dead by 10:18. 440 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,560 So the judge said, the burglars weren't there, 441 00:22:12,660 --> 00:22:14,160 so they couldn't have been involved. 442 00:22:14,260 --> 00:22:16,870 - It meant the jury didn't hear evidence about the burglary. 443 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,610 - Years later, the defense discovers 444 00:22:23,710 --> 00:22:27,280 this bit of potential evidence from a mailman 445 00:22:27,380 --> 00:22:28,880 by the name of Graybill. 446 00:22:28,980 --> 00:22:32,010 And he claims that he delivered mail 447 00:22:32,110 --> 00:22:34,520 between 10:35 and 10:55, 448 00:22:34,620 --> 00:22:36,950 and what he did notice was that McKenzie, 449 00:22:37,050 --> 00:22:40,460 the dog that always barked every time he delivered mail, 450 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,660 wasn't barking, and that the gate 451 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,390 at the Peterson home was open. 452 00:22:46,490 --> 00:22:50,370 - And if the dog wasn't there and Laci wasn't there, 453 00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:52,530 that means she was walking the dog. 454 00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:54,740 And we know that several people 455 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,710 had seen a pregnant woman walking. 456 00:22:57,810 --> 00:22:59,610 - That was the missing piece. 457 00:22:59,710 --> 00:23:02,280 Laci was still home when Karen Servas 458 00:23:02,380 --> 00:23:03,710 put the dog back in the yard. 459 00:23:03,810 --> 00:23:07,220 If Laci is alive after 10:30, 460 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,890 Laci could have encountered the Medina burglary. 461 00:23:10,990 --> 00:23:15,860 - We know the timeline now because of Russell Graybill. 462 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,530 We know more about the burglary. 463 00:23:21,030 --> 00:23:23,830 - We've spent a lot of time trying to connect 464 00:23:23,930 --> 00:23:27,700 this burglary, the mailman, and Russell Graybill. 465 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,470 There's just so many tips and so much information, 466 00:23:30,570 --> 00:23:33,840 and the timeline of the morning was so misunderstood. 467 00:23:33,940 --> 00:23:36,010 These are the significant tips that came in 468 00:23:36,110 --> 00:23:38,680 to the Modesto Police Department, a lot of which 469 00:23:38,780 --> 00:23:40,550 are at issue in the filings. 470 00:23:40,650 --> 00:23:42,450 There are more, but these are the ones 471 00:23:42,550 --> 00:23:44,720 that are most commonly talked about. 472 00:23:44,820 --> 00:23:46,760 As a family, we believe the police 473 00:23:46,860 --> 00:23:49,120 were putting due diligence into following up 474 00:23:49,220 --> 00:23:50,430 on the sightings of Laci. 475 00:23:50,530 --> 00:23:53,600 [indistinct chatter] 476 00:24:01,900 --> 00:24:05,540 They had some people came in with tips. 477 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,610 Passed those on to the police because 478 00:24:09,710 --> 00:24:11,050 I wanted them to follow up, 479 00:24:11,150 --> 00:24:13,720 and I thought they were following up on them. 480 00:24:13,820 --> 00:24:15,680 I found out later when I started to read 481 00:24:15,780 --> 00:24:17,550 the police discovery, their reports, 482 00:24:17,650 --> 00:24:19,450 which were given to us before trial, 483 00:24:19,550 --> 00:24:22,560 that they weren't following up on anything. 484 00:24:22,660 --> 00:24:24,560 - Just a couple of things about the tip lines. 485 00:24:24,660 --> 00:24:27,300 There's been now about 340 calls that's come in. 486 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,070 - There's been tips that the burglars confronted Laci. 487 00:24:31,170 --> 00:24:35,300 One was a former Los Angeles reserve officer 488 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:40,010 who had seen someone being sort of muscled into a van. 489 00:24:40,110 --> 00:24:43,410 - He was so disturbed by it that he called police. 490 00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:45,580 [line trills] 491 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,950 His name was Tom Harshman. 492 00:24:48,050 --> 00:24:49,080 - Hello? 493 00:24:49,180 --> 00:24:50,690 - Hi. Mr. Harshman? 494 00:24:50,790 --> 00:24:54,520 I'm doing research for a documentary, 495 00:24:54,620 --> 00:24:57,890 and I read about your tip that you-- 496 00:24:57,990 --> 00:25:00,660 that you made to the Modesto Police. 497 00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:38,700 [phone ringing] 498 00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:42,870 - Tom Harshman calls twice on the 28th. 499 00:25:42,970 --> 00:25:46,710 Then he's so upset by what he saw, 500 00:25:46,810 --> 00:25:48,110 he actually goes to the police 501 00:25:48,210 --> 00:25:51,610 so that everyone knows he saw a pregnant woman 502 00:25:51,710 --> 00:25:53,720 being shoved into a van. 503 00:25:59,020 --> 00:26:01,190 - I mean, there were a lot of phantom sightings 504 00:26:01,290 --> 00:26:02,690 from people and things. 505 00:26:02,790 --> 00:26:04,960 But as far as that being a specific one, 506 00:26:05,060 --> 00:26:07,460 I never heard anything like that. 507 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,030 - No detective was assigned. 508 00:26:09,130 --> 00:26:13,100 In fact, they put more effort into discrediting 509 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,810 the Laci sightings, rather than go talk to the people 510 00:26:16,910 --> 00:26:20,580 who actually said they saw Laci that day. 511 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,710 - This is one thing that does bother me. 512 00:26:23,810 --> 00:26:27,020 If I'm living in Modesto and Tom Harshman reports 513 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:29,880 that a pregnant lady was physically abused 514 00:26:29,980 --> 00:26:33,190 on the side of a road, if it wasn't Laci, who was it? 515 00:26:33,290 --> 00:26:36,730 - So any evidence that Laci is alive after Scott leaves, 516 00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:38,760 whether it's Laci walking the dog 517 00:26:38,860 --> 00:26:40,700 or Laci encountering a burglary, 518 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,960 is evidence that Scott is innocent. 519 00:26:45,130 --> 00:26:47,770 - There are so many instances where 520 00:26:47,870 --> 00:26:50,870 there was evidence that didn't fit 521 00:26:50,970 --> 00:26:52,770 the detective's theory that they ignored. 522 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,950 - Very late in Scott's trial, a tip came in 523 00:27:01,050 --> 00:27:05,320 talking about Laci confronting the burglary. 524 00:27:05,420 --> 00:27:06,820 - My name is Xavier Aponte. 525 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,090 I was a correctional officer 526 00:27:10,190 --> 00:27:13,190 at the California Rehabilitation Center in Norco. 527 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,900 In January 2003, one of the correctional officers 528 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,710 responsible for monitoring inmate calls 529 00:27:24,810 --> 00:27:26,810 overheard a conversation. 530 00:27:26,910 --> 00:27:31,510 There were rumors on the street that Laci Peterson 531 00:27:31,610 --> 00:27:35,320 had walked up and interrupted a burglary down the street 532 00:27:35,420 --> 00:27:37,320 from her house. 533 00:27:37,420 --> 00:27:39,990 [phone dialing] 534 00:27:40,090 --> 00:27:44,030 I contacted the Modesto PD's tip hotline 535 00:27:44,130 --> 00:27:47,230 because somebody might wanna follow up on it. 536 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,900 I did not receive any immediate calls back. 537 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,800 And probably about a week or so later, 538 00:27:55,900 --> 00:27:59,770 I made a second phone call and reiterated 539 00:27:59,870 --> 00:28:03,140 what I had left the first time. 540 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,780 - Modesto PD and the prosecution, 541 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,920 they'd been sitting on that information 542 00:28:08,020 --> 00:28:10,020 and didn't bother to share it with us. 543 00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:13,660 Later, we asked for the recording. 544 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,960 We never got the recording. 545 00:28:16,060 --> 00:28:20,830 That recording does not exist right now. 546 00:28:20,930 --> 00:28:24,870 Supposedly, the detectives looked everywhere. 547 00:28:24,970 --> 00:28:27,040 Was this something that was deep-sixed? 548 00:28:27,140 --> 00:28:31,010 The bottom line is, this was material, 549 00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:33,680 exonerating evidence that should have been turned over 550 00:28:33,780 --> 00:28:35,240 and it wasn't turned over. 551 00:28:37,250 --> 00:28:40,750 - The Lieutenant Aponte tip, under further scrutiny, 552 00:28:40,850 --> 00:28:43,790 as Detective Grogan started looking into it, 553 00:28:43,890 --> 00:28:45,790 his story changed slightly. 554 00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:48,160 And then as Grogan pressed him more, 555 00:28:48,260 --> 00:28:51,130 he ended up recanting this information 556 00:28:51,230 --> 00:28:53,260 and saying that it really wasn't true at all. 557 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,200 - Aponte has recanted everything he said. 558 00:28:56,300 --> 00:28:58,430 Who's the officer that told you about it first? 559 00:28:58,530 --> 00:28:59,830 He couldn't remember. 560 00:28:59,930 --> 00:29:00,800 Where's your notes in the log where 561 00:29:00,900 --> 00:29:02,140 you log in all these tapes? 562 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,210 Couldn't find it. Well, where's the tape? 563 00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:04,840 Don't have it. 564 00:29:04,940 --> 00:29:06,710 And that was the end of that. 565 00:29:06,810 --> 00:29:10,180 It was just a big malarkey. 566 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:19,190 - At no time have I ever recanted my statements. 567 00:29:19,290 --> 00:29:23,760 What I did say is that his conversation 568 00:29:23,860 --> 00:29:29,060 seemed to be hearsay from the talk on the street. 569 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:34,240 The statements that I made were true and factual. 570 00:29:34,340 --> 00:29:37,740 - Lieutenant Aponte has called in a tip 571 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,480 connecting the burglars to Laci. 572 00:29:41,580 --> 00:29:42,980 You know you've got a duty 573 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,350 to turn over exonerating evidence 574 00:29:45,450 --> 00:29:49,020 that tend to show someone's innocence. 575 00:29:53,790 --> 00:29:55,220 - What else do we have? 576 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,230 - Right on the heels of the Medina burglary, 577 00:29:57,330 --> 00:30:00,030 this reward was offered, I believe, on December 31st. 578 00:30:00,130 --> 00:30:03,300 Well, on that same day, a Croton watch was pawned. 579 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,940 And when Laci went missing, she was wearing a Croton watch 580 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,270 that she had inherited from her grandmother. 581 00:30:09,370 --> 00:30:11,340 - Tell me about the Croton watch. 582 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,740 - She inherited it, you know, before Christmas, 583 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,080 not long before Christmas. 584 00:30:16,180 --> 00:30:19,950 And it was kind of gaudy. 585 00:30:21,150 --> 00:30:25,290 It had a bezel with diamonds around it. 586 00:30:25,390 --> 00:30:28,290 We joked about it. We called it her rapper watch. 587 00:30:28,390 --> 00:30:35,260 * * 588 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:43,770 - On December 31, 2002, a lady came in and she sold us 589 00:30:43,870 --> 00:30:47,340 a 14-karat-gold Croton Watch. 590 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,410 Everything we loan or buy goes to a master computer. 591 00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:55,050 I was contacted by the Modesto Police Department. 592 00:30:55,150 --> 00:30:58,120 They thought maybe it was Laci Peterson's watch. 593 00:30:58,220 --> 00:30:59,950 They just came in and said 594 00:31:00,060 --> 00:31:00,920 they're here to pick up the watch, 595 00:31:01,020 --> 00:31:03,360 and they took the watch. 596 00:31:03,460 --> 00:31:04,530 - Where is the watch? 597 00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:07,560 And was that Laci's watch? 598 00:31:07,660 --> 00:31:09,930 They never found it. 599 00:31:10,030 --> 00:31:11,330 - I knew it was missing. 600 00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:13,400 But the first time I heard that the police 601 00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:18,140 knew about it being pawned was well after I was arrested. 602 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,240 The police have to provide the defense 603 00:31:20,340 --> 00:31:22,510 with discovery when they ask for it, 604 00:31:22,610 --> 00:31:25,310 any exculpatory information. 605 00:31:25,410 --> 00:31:28,320 The police hadn't shared this with us at all. 606 00:31:28,420 --> 00:31:31,250 And now I know why, because they covered it up. 607 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,090 - I think it was a wild goose chase. 608 00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:36,890 If it would have been something of importance, 609 00:31:36,990 --> 00:31:37,990 if it would have been major, 610 00:31:38,090 --> 00:31:39,130 it would have been in the trial. 611 00:31:39,230 --> 00:31:41,160 - We can never prove it was hers. 612 00:31:41,260 --> 00:31:45,970 It never amounted to anything other than speculation. 613 00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:48,870 - It may have been Laci's 614 00:31:48,970 --> 00:31:51,410 and it may not have been Laci's. 615 00:31:51,510 --> 00:31:54,210 But the bottom line, they interviewed 616 00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:56,480 the owner of the pawn shop. 617 00:31:56,580 --> 00:32:00,250 It should have been turned over to the defense. 618 00:32:00,350 --> 00:32:02,220 Never turned over to the defense. 619 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,950 - This really highlight the failings 620 00:32:06,050 --> 00:32:08,120 of the Modesto Police investigation. 621 00:32:08,220 --> 00:32:11,060 The sightings of Laci were not followed up on. 622 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,200 The sightings of McKenzie were not followed up on. 623 00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:17,400 This burnt van certainly was not followed up on. 624 00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:20,340 This watch was not followed up on. 625 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,140 - Now, do you think some things were followed up on 626 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,410 by the Modesto Police, but documents 627 00:32:27,510 --> 00:32:31,210 or related evidence 628 00:32:31,310 --> 00:32:34,250 wasn't turned over to the defense? 629 00:32:34,350 --> 00:32:38,350 - I strongly believe, based on the sum total of the reports 630 00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:40,320 and how things are cross-referenced, 631 00:32:40,420 --> 00:32:42,520 that there's a strong possibility that 632 00:32:42,620 --> 00:32:45,130 we're missing reports on the Croton Watch. 633 00:32:45,230 --> 00:32:47,530 It was confirmed we were missing reports 634 00:32:47,630 --> 00:32:51,370 on this burned van when Scott's appellate attorney, in 2006, 635 00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:54,400 requested from the district attorney, hey, 636 00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:58,210 can you send me your whole file on this van? 637 00:32:58,310 --> 00:33:00,040 Scott's defense attorney, Mark Geragos, 638 00:33:00,140 --> 00:33:02,880 initially had a few files on this van, 639 00:33:02,980 --> 00:33:07,320 but he did not have photos of that bloodstained mattress. 640 00:33:07,420 --> 00:33:11,050 - People want the answer they believed in 641 00:33:11,150 --> 00:33:14,460 to continue to be the answer. 642 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,190 You know, people are who we all are. 643 00:33:17,290 --> 00:33:21,560 We're--we're slow to admit we're wrong. 644 00:33:26,330 --> 00:33:29,500 [suspenseful music] 645 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,610 * * 646 00:33:33,710 --> 00:33:37,610 - In California, death penalty cases just take a long time. 647 00:33:37,710 --> 00:33:43,120 You know, we had 12, 15 years where nothing happened. 648 00:33:43,220 --> 00:33:46,150 The bigger hope that Scott would be exonerated 649 00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:48,360 really drove what we did, 650 00:33:48,460 --> 00:33:52,030 specifically his death sentence. 651 00:33:52,130 --> 00:33:53,960 We didn't really know how long it would take. 652 00:33:54,060 --> 00:33:56,160 We just kept investigating. 653 00:33:56,260 --> 00:33:57,600 His attorneys kept working. 654 00:33:57,700 --> 00:34:01,270 We just hung on to every shred of hope, 655 00:34:01,370 --> 00:34:03,940 every, what else can we do? 656 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,470 And--and let's do it. 657 00:34:09,610 --> 00:34:12,380 - News today, convicted killer Scott Peterson 658 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,120 is officially off death row. 659 00:34:15,220 --> 00:34:17,320 He was resentenced to life in prison 660 00:34:17,420 --> 00:34:19,620 without the possibility of parole. 661 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,360 - Judge Delucchi made an error during jury selection. 662 00:34:28,430 --> 00:34:30,130 He said, if you're against the death penalty, 663 00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:31,430 well, then you're excused. 664 00:34:31,530 --> 00:34:35,140 When law in California says, if you say, 665 00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:38,370 I am against the death penalty, the judge is supposed 666 00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:40,110 to ask you questions about it. 667 00:34:40,210 --> 00:34:41,580 Judge Delucchi didn't do that. 668 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,310 And the California Supreme Court, for that reason, 669 00:34:44,410 --> 00:34:47,320 overturned the sentence for Scott Peterson. 670 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,820 - I felt a sense of relief when Scott's 671 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:52,920 death sentence was overturned. 672 00:34:53,020 --> 00:34:57,060 I know the first time that I went to go visit him in person 673 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,630 at Mule Creek, I'm sitting in this big room 674 00:34:58,730 --> 00:35:01,030 with all these people and waiting for Scott 675 00:35:01,130 --> 00:35:02,060 to come through the door. 676 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,330 And he came through the door, 677 00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:06,200 unescorted and unhandcuffed. 678 00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:10,140 I was just looking at him and I actually was wondering 679 00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:12,270 what was wrong with his walk. 680 00:35:12,370 --> 00:35:14,110 I was like, why is he walking funny? 681 00:35:14,210 --> 00:35:17,310 And I realized later that I had not seen him walk 682 00:35:17,410 --> 00:35:20,980 with his arms swinging for 20 years. 683 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,480 - All rise. 684 00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:29,660 - Once the death penalty was off the table, 685 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,430 Scott Peterson, at that point, lost a lot of resources 686 00:35:33,530 --> 00:35:35,260 that were available to him. 687 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,230 - The problem for Scott Peterson is that 688 00:35:38,330 --> 00:35:39,670 now that he's off of death row, 689 00:35:39,770 --> 00:35:43,370 he's lost state-sponsored representation. 690 00:35:43,470 --> 00:35:47,440 - There is a practical reality for all but the-- 691 00:35:47,540 --> 00:35:51,010 the wealthiest people in America that, 692 00:35:51,110 --> 00:35:52,580 at some point-- 693 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,120 and we're certainly there, 20 years post conviction-- 694 00:35:55,220 --> 00:35:59,250 families lose their ability to afford the cost 695 00:35:59,350 --> 00:36:01,360 of high-end attorneys. 696 00:36:01,460 --> 00:36:06,190 - There was clearly a need for an organization or a team 697 00:36:06,290 --> 00:36:09,330 that was financially secure, 698 00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:12,670 had access to a lot more resources. 699 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,100 - I wasn't even remotely qualified 700 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,540 to take over his case. 701 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,710 There's a number of problems with Scott's conviction, 702 00:36:20,810 --> 00:36:22,710 but one of the things going on in his case 703 00:36:22,810 --> 00:36:24,750 was that there needed to be some DNA testing. 704 00:36:24,850 --> 00:36:27,420 And Scott's attorney had noticed that 705 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,150 the newly formed Los Angeles Innocence Project 706 00:36:30,250 --> 00:36:32,490 had a DNA grant. 707 00:36:32,590 --> 00:36:36,320 - 2023, Scott Peterson's appellate attorneys 708 00:36:36,420 --> 00:36:38,760 reached out to the Los Angeles Innocence Project 709 00:36:38,860 --> 00:36:42,360 in the hopes that they would take on the case. 710 00:36:42,460 --> 00:36:45,800 - When the Innocence Project takes a case, 711 00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:46,670 it sends a message. 712 00:36:46,770 --> 00:36:49,040 - When the Innocence Project gets involved, 713 00:36:49,140 --> 00:36:52,470 they only get involved if they believe they can win a case. 714 00:36:52,570 --> 00:36:54,680 This appears to be the beginning stages. 715 00:36:54,780 --> 00:36:56,610 - The Los Angeles Innocence Project 716 00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:59,250 has filed a motion asking for, I believe, 717 00:36:59,350 --> 00:37:01,380 17 items to be DNA tested. 718 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,220 A couple of those items are associated 719 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,620 with the Medina burglary, a burned van that 720 00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:08,190 was found about a mile from Laci's home 721 00:37:08,290 --> 00:37:09,620 the day after she went missing. 722 00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:12,690 And 11 of those items were recovered either with 723 00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:14,600 or near Laci and Conner's bodies. 724 00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:17,300 - We've got this other narrative going on 725 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,670 that has been going on since that week, 726 00:37:19,770 --> 00:37:21,670 a burglary across the street that happened 727 00:37:21,770 --> 00:37:23,240 around the same time that she was supposed 728 00:37:23,340 --> 00:37:24,610 to go out for that walk. 729 00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:26,510 - They wanna find out if a van that was found 730 00:37:26,610 --> 00:37:28,310 torched near the Modesto Airport 731 00:37:28,410 --> 00:37:30,250 is connected to the burglary. 732 00:37:30,350 --> 00:37:32,480 Inside, investigators discovered a mattress 733 00:37:32,580 --> 00:37:34,550 with stains confirmed to be blood. 734 00:37:34,650 --> 00:37:36,550 The Innocence Project wants to conduct 735 00:37:36,650 --> 00:37:38,750 new DNA tests on those samples. 736 00:37:38,850 --> 00:37:40,490 Could it be Laci Peterson's blood? 737 00:37:40,590 --> 00:37:43,660 [inquisitive music] 738 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,290 - I think with the filing of these motions, 739 00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:49,360 the public has a much better view of what happened 740 00:37:49,460 --> 00:37:50,530 when Laci went missing. 741 00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:52,870 A lot of this information wasn't public 742 00:37:52,970 --> 00:37:54,640 until these filings. 743 00:37:54,740 --> 00:37:56,970 - I think there's enough evidence 744 00:37:57,070 --> 00:37:59,240 that it's probable that-- 745 00:37:59,340 --> 00:38:01,810 that someone else may have committed the crime. 746 00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:04,550 - The Peterson family credits Mike Gudgell, 747 00:38:04,650 --> 00:38:07,350 a journalist who used to work for ABC News, 748 00:38:07,450 --> 00:38:09,720 with tracking down new evidence. 749 00:38:09,820 --> 00:38:14,860 - I'd been doubted by my friends and family for years. 750 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,090 Having it validated was an important moment 751 00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:20,600 and sort of the arc of my commitment to this. 752 00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:22,360 Ultimately is about injustice, 753 00:38:22,460 --> 00:38:24,130 and not just for Scott-- for Laci too. 754 00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:27,900 And the Los Angeles Innocence Project efforts are important. 755 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,810 They have substance and they need to be taken seriously. 756 00:38:32,740 --> 00:38:34,940 - It is clear that they believe 757 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,880 that the Medina burglary 758 00:38:36,980 --> 00:38:40,480 had a connection to Laci Peterson's disappearance. 759 00:38:40,580 --> 00:38:43,390 They're not necessarily stating that the individuals 760 00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:44,790 who were convicted of the burglary 761 00:38:44,890 --> 00:38:47,560 are the ones who committed the crime, 762 00:38:47,660 --> 00:38:50,190 but that there's a larger web of individuals 763 00:38:50,290 --> 00:38:55,600 who may have been the ones involved in her disappearance. 764 00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:58,800 - It's a little overwhelming to look at the evidence 765 00:38:58,900 --> 00:39:02,540 in this case and realize how solvable this crime is. 766 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,210 - To have an innocence organization take his case, 767 00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:10,850 I think, really speaks to the fact that Scott is innocent. 768 00:39:17,490 --> 00:39:20,760 - It would be impossible for me to acknowledge 769 00:39:20,860 --> 00:39:23,790 and thank everyone that is responsible for bringing 770 00:39:23,890 --> 00:39:27,500 this case to the successful conclusion that it did. 771 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:28,860 But there are... 772 00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:40,510 - Well, if there was any doubt, I would be shouting it. 773 00:39:40,610 --> 00:39:41,640 I would be making noise about it. 774 00:39:41,740 --> 00:39:44,750 But nothing has changed in these 20 years since 775 00:39:44,850 --> 00:39:47,950 that makes me have any doubt that we got the right guy. 776 00:39:48,050 --> 00:39:50,620 If you can imagine a family that's pretty tore up 777 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:52,790 and they probably have this nagging belief 778 00:39:52,890 --> 00:39:55,360 that their daughter, stepdaughter or what have you, 779 00:39:55,460 --> 00:39:57,030 is dead... 780 00:39:57,130 --> 00:40:00,700 Anybody that has a thought that there's a claim of innocence 781 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,930 on Scott's part doesn't know the case as well 782 00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:04,970 as those of us that worked it did. 783 00:40:07,900 --> 00:40:11,410 - Peterson's new legal team believes he may be innocent. 784 00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:14,440 - This is how our criminal justice system works, 785 00:40:14,540 --> 00:40:18,780 to be sure that we have the right person in custody. 786 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,850 - The LA Innocence Project taking up this fight 787 00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:22,980 at this time, not totally unexpected. 788 00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:26,860 - This isn't nothing new. 789 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,690 I mean, this has been talked about. 790 00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:31,390 This is--I don't have a reaction. 791 00:40:31,490 --> 00:40:32,830 I believe this is bullshit. 792 00:40:32,930 --> 00:40:35,760 There is absolutely no reasonable doubt. 793 00:40:35,860 --> 00:40:38,900 None. He did it. Jury got it right. 794 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,940 - If there was any doubt, I would be shouting it. 795 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,700 I would be making noise about it. 796 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,570 I have no doubt about Scott's involvement 797 00:40:44,670 --> 00:40:46,410 and the fact that he was the killer in it, 798 00:40:46,510 --> 00:40:47,540 because there's just too much 799 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,510 circumstantial evidence to ignore. 800 00:40:49,610 --> 00:40:51,010 From the beginning of this investigation, 801 00:40:51,110 --> 00:40:53,920 Scott was the focus for Al Brocchini and I. 802 00:40:54,020 --> 00:40:56,450 - There was blood on the duvet. 803 00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:58,120 It turned out to be his blood. 804 00:40:58,220 --> 00:40:59,650 In the end of the bed, 805 00:40:59,750 --> 00:41:01,890 it looked like something laid there. 806 00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:03,660 - So this could have been a situation where 807 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,430 maybe he strangled or smothered Laci 808 00:41:06,530 --> 00:41:07,660 on the end of the bed there. 809 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,700 She scratched him during the struggle 810 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,400 and then that blood got on the comforter. 811 00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:13,000 - Scott did run to the neighbors, 812 00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:16,040 but the first neighbor he ran to, he told them, 813 00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:18,140 I've been golfing all day. 814 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:19,440 Have you seen Laci? 815 00:41:19,540 --> 00:41:21,410 Then he changed it to fishing. 816 00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:22,610 - We knew he'd been fishing. 817 00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:24,080 There was saltwater in the boat. 818 00:41:24,180 --> 00:41:27,480 But his fishing rod was more of a freshwater fishing rod. 819 00:41:27,580 --> 00:41:30,050 And the lure packages hadn't even been opened. 820 00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:32,650 - And so that made us a little bit more suspicious 821 00:41:32,750 --> 00:41:34,490 of what he was up to. 822 00:41:34,590 --> 00:41:36,620 - The timeline suggests that there were witnesses 823 00:41:36,730 --> 00:41:38,990 that saw Laci on the morning of the 24th 824 00:41:39,090 --> 00:41:42,830 after Scott left for his fishing trip. 825 00:41:42,930 --> 00:41:45,500 - Anybody that said they saw Laci 826 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,600 walking the dog got interviewed. 827 00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:51,840 - Eyewitness testimony is very subjective. 828 00:41:51,940 --> 00:41:54,010 It would be very easy for a witness 829 00:41:54,110 --> 00:41:57,080 to wanna be helpful, to claim later 830 00:41:57,180 --> 00:41:59,750 that they saw Laci, when actually they didn't, 831 00:41:59,850 --> 00:42:01,020 it was a mistaken identity thing. 832 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,080 Or, more sinister, people who wanted to get 833 00:42:03,180 --> 00:42:05,490 involved in this because it was high profile, 834 00:42:05,590 --> 00:42:06,990 it was in the news, and everything like that. 835 00:42:07,090 --> 00:42:09,060 And we had a few things like that that popped up. 836 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,860 But in addition to that, as the case unfolded, 837 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,360 there was information from her doctor 838 00:42:14,460 --> 00:42:18,070 that she wasn't really in any condition to make a walk. 839 00:42:18,170 --> 00:42:21,040 - One of the working theories is that Laci Peterson came out 840 00:42:21,140 --> 00:42:24,110 of this house right here, 523 Covina, 841 00:42:24,210 --> 00:42:26,710 and there was a burglary in progress 842 00:42:26,810 --> 00:42:28,680 right across the street. 843 00:42:28,780 --> 00:42:30,080 - When it comes to the theory 844 00:42:30,180 --> 00:42:32,910 of Laci being abducted by the burglars, 845 00:42:33,010 --> 00:42:34,980 people saw vans in the neighborhood. 846 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,050 They saw women walking dogs in the neighborhood. 847 00:42:37,150 --> 00:42:40,690 But nobody saw Laci being abducted, making noise, 848 00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:42,820 screaming, confronting somebody, 849 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,760 having an argument in the street. 850 00:42:44,860 --> 00:42:47,030 - Todd and Pearce, they alibied out. 851 00:42:47,130 --> 00:42:49,000 We went to, where were you on Christmas? 852 00:42:49,100 --> 00:42:50,970 Well, they were eating dinner with Mom and Grandma. 853 00:42:51,070 --> 00:42:53,100 It was investigated thoroughly. 854 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,640 - It's rare that a guy who's doing burglaries 855 00:42:55,740 --> 00:42:57,040 to source a narcotics habit is gonna 856 00:42:57,140 --> 00:42:59,610 turn into a violent offender and abduct a girl 857 00:42:59,710 --> 00:43:01,110 and keep her hostage. 858 00:43:01,210 --> 00:43:03,010 And you have to remember that a lot of property 859 00:43:03,110 --> 00:43:04,950 was recovered from the burglary, 860 00:43:05,050 --> 00:43:07,120 and of all this property that was inventoried and photoed 861 00:43:07,220 --> 00:43:10,120 and examined, there was not one piece of property there 862 00:43:10,220 --> 00:43:11,820 that belonged to Laci. 863 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,120 That's why, to me, the thought of the burglars 864 00:43:14,220 --> 00:43:16,620 being responsible for her disappearance 865 00:43:16,730 --> 00:43:18,890 is pretty much fantasy. 866 00:43:18,990 --> 00:43:22,560 - We had the-- the Berkeley receipt. 867 00:43:22,660 --> 00:43:24,970 On that day, we have the timestamp. 868 00:43:25,070 --> 00:43:26,900 We know that it's from that marina. 869 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:38,850 They just gave everyone, you know, a way to implicate you. 870 00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:43,080 - Half of America knew where this man was on Christmas Eve. 871 00:43:43,180 --> 00:43:45,090 If someone else committed this crime, 872 00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:47,660 where they would deposit the bodies 873 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,030 is in the San Francisco Bay. 874 00:43:50,130 --> 00:43:52,660 If you want to assure that you aren't gonna be convicted 875 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,900 and Scott Peterson will be. 876 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,630 - If the burglars were gonna frame Scott, 877 00:43:57,730 --> 00:43:59,870 they're not gonna weight the body down and hide it. 878 00:43:59,970 --> 00:44:01,500 You're gonna want it to come up. 879 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,940 Wouldn't they just put her body right on the beach? 880 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,640 - They don't have a boat. 881 00:44:06,740 --> 00:44:08,880 They don't have a truck that can pull a boat. 882 00:44:08,980 --> 00:44:11,150 They have no way to get to the bay. 883 00:44:11,250 --> 00:44:13,750 - I guess it's possible, just like anything else is. 884 00:44:13,850 --> 00:44:16,120 But it's also possible that Jennifer Lopez 885 00:44:16,220 --> 00:44:18,590 is gonna call me after she leaves Ben Affleck 886 00:44:18,690 --> 00:44:20,020 and wanna have a date. 887 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,960 - The Modesto Police Department did 888 00:44:22,060 --> 00:44:24,960 a phenomenal job in this case. 889 00:44:25,060 --> 00:44:26,590 - I feel pretty confident about the case 890 00:44:26,700 --> 00:44:30,270 that was put together by our team and especially the way 891 00:44:30,370 --> 00:44:33,170 it was presented to the jury by the prosecution. 892 00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:36,070 And can they do it again if they have to? 893 00:44:36,170 --> 00:44:37,670 I believe so. 894 00:44:37,770 --> 00:44:40,080 Now we've got this blood that needs to be tested, 895 00:44:40,180 --> 00:44:43,210 and my attitude on that is, test that evidence. 896 00:44:43,310 --> 00:44:45,150 And then you're gonna be able to show 897 00:44:45,250 --> 00:44:46,750 that it doesn't come back to anything 898 00:44:46,850 --> 00:44:49,150 to do with Laci or Scott. 899 00:44:49,250 --> 00:44:50,890 If we had the wrong guy in prison, 900 00:44:50,990 --> 00:44:52,720 we would wanna know about it. 901 00:45:11,740 --> 00:45:17,980 - Even 20 years after the conviction, 902 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:22,420 you still have the detectives trying to justify 903 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,850 or prove their case. 904 00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:26,760 The Los Angeles Innocence Project 905 00:45:26,860 --> 00:45:29,960 only takes cases for defendants 906 00:45:30,060 --> 00:45:33,760 who have a credible claim of innocence. 907 00:45:33,860 --> 00:45:36,630 The orange van may be the smoking gun, 908 00:45:36,730 --> 00:45:38,070 but no one can tell. 909 00:45:38,170 --> 00:45:40,040 We all have to wait for the DNA testing. 910 00:45:42,070 --> 00:45:44,040 - Convicted murderer Scott Peterson 911 00:45:44,140 --> 00:45:46,140 is in front of a judge today. 912 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:50,250 - The next big hearing is on May 29th. 913 00:45:50,350 --> 00:45:54,550 And this is a crucial hearing because the court's 914 00:45:54,650 --> 00:45:59,020 gonna be deciding on a number of DNA testings. 915 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,690 And we're hoping that the court approves, if not all, 916 00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:04,260 at least most of them. 917 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,030 - Today's hearing could be the most crucial 918 00:46:06,130 --> 00:46:09,060 in the attempt to try and earn a new trial. 919 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:13,840 - If Laci Peterson's DNA is on that mattress, 920 00:46:13,940 --> 00:46:17,010 that's gonna exonerate Scott Peterson. 921 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,110 [suspenseful music] 922 00:46:25,210 --> 00:46:26,250 * * 923 00:46:26,350 --> 00:46:28,350 - A judge ruling is expected today. 924 00:46:28,450 --> 00:46:31,120 - A huge decision here for this judge 925 00:46:31,220 --> 00:46:33,320 to try to determine whether there can be 926 00:46:33,420 --> 00:46:36,190 new DNA testing done on these pieces of evidence. 927 00:46:36,290 --> 00:46:39,060 - A no to DNA testing could be a dagger 928 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,830 to the LAIP's argument, 929 00:46:40,930 --> 00:46:44,130 but a yes to the testing could be a huge step forward 930 00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:46,300 in asking for a new trial. 931 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,100 - Convicted murderer Scott Peterson 932 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,440 appeared virtually in a Northern California courtroom 933 00:47:23,540 --> 00:47:27,010 as a judge denied nearly all DNA testing requests. 934 00:47:27,110 --> 00:47:30,010 - The judge mostly rejected Scott Peterson's request 935 00:47:30,110 --> 00:47:33,380 to test about 15 pieces of evidence, except for one. 936 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,380 Peterson will be allowed to test a piece of duct tape 937 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,050 that was found on his wife's body after it washed ashore. 938 00:47:39,150 --> 00:47:42,190 - Most people, including me, 939 00:47:42,290 --> 00:47:48,700 expected that the DNA testing requests would be granted. 940 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,070 - Paula Mitchell, in her argument before the court, 941 00:47:52,170 --> 00:47:54,870 said, in all the years 942 00:47:54,970 --> 00:47:57,840 that I've been asking for DNA testing, 943 00:47:57,940 --> 00:48:00,380 I've never had this kind of resistance. 944 00:48:00,610 --> 00:48:03,450 - That, in itself, speaks volumes, if you ask me. 945 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,090 - The DNA on the duct tape on the pants are gonna be tested. 946 00:48:18,190 --> 00:48:21,900 - If someone else's DNA is on duct tape 947 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,500 that's adhered to Laci's body, 948 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,230 that indicates someone else is culpable. 949 00:48:26,330 --> 00:48:28,400 That doesn't get Scott a new trial. 950 00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:29,940 That releases Scott. 951 00:48:32,670 --> 00:48:34,340 - It's the initial stages. 952 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,310 This is not the end of it. It's just the beginning. 953 00:48:36,410 --> 00:48:38,980 And at least we've got one win. 954 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,850 They still have their discovery motion 955 00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:42,850 that they can argue that can bring 956 00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:45,050 additional information to light. 957 00:48:45,150 --> 00:48:47,420 Even if you think the person is a monster, 958 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,390 under our constitution, 959 00:48:49,490 --> 00:48:52,030 he or she is entitled to a fair trial, 960 00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:54,960 something Scott Peterson never got. 961 00:48:56,230 --> 00:49:00,470 - Criminal defense is inherently unfair, 962 00:49:00,570 --> 00:49:04,010 simply because the state has all the resources. 963 00:49:04,110 --> 00:49:06,610 - I think most people think that the courts 964 00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:08,240 will get it right. 965 00:49:08,340 --> 00:49:11,150 But the problem is, when the courts don't get it right, 966 00:49:11,250 --> 00:49:13,880 it is incredibly hard to fix. 967 00:49:13,980 --> 00:49:16,550 - I don't think you can honestly say, 968 00:49:16,650 --> 00:49:18,990 in looking at this case, even if you have questions about it, 969 00:49:19,090 --> 00:49:21,090 that this jury got it wrong. 970 00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:23,220 The jury basically mirrors 971 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,330 what most people in this country believe 972 00:49:26,430 --> 00:49:27,500 who have looked into this case, 973 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,070 and that is that Scott Peterson did it. 974 00:49:30,170 --> 00:49:32,300 - There is no evidence of manner of death. 975 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,070 There is no evidence of cause of death. 976 00:49:34,170 --> 00:49:37,410 There is no evidence of a crime scene anywhere. 977 00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:40,580 There isn't any evidence that Scott Peterson 978 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,350 engaged in any violence involving his wife. 979 00:49:44,450 --> 00:49:47,820 When you know that the jury ultimately learned all of that 980 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,020 and still convicted him, you have to ask yourself, 981 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:52,220 what's going on here? 982 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,220 And that's where, I believe, 983 00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,990 the media plays a significant role. 984 00:49:57,090 --> 00:49:58,560 - We've been following what appears to be movement 985 00:49:58,660 --> 00:50:00,230 in the Laci Peterson case. 986 00:50:00,330 --> 00:50:03,530 - All of us were so saturated with media attention 987 00:50:03,630 --> 00:50:08,300 surrounding this case, all virtually one-sided, 988 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,540 all against Scott Peterson, 989 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,010 that I believe it became almost impossible 990 00:50:13,110 --> 00:50:15,210 to make a rational decision. 991 00:50:15,310 --> 00:50:18,250 - When ratings speak, 992 00:50:18,350 --> 00:50:21,020 when people realize that 993 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,350 there's a voracious appetite for a story, 994 00:50:24,450 --> 00:50:27,990 they're going to just rev it up. 995 00:50:28,090 --> 00:50:30,060 And the more the media revved it up, 996 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,690 the more obsession there was. 997 00:50:31,790 --> 00:50:32,730 - A Fox News alert. 998 00:50:32,830 --> 00:50:34,600 A major development in the case of Scott Peterson. 999 00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:36,600 - He was dubbed the Most Hated Man in America, 1000 00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:38,300 convicted of murdering his wife, Laci. 1001 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,000 - For the first time in many years, 1002 00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:44,040 we're hearing from the family of Laci Peterson. 1003 00:50:44,140 --> 00:50:47,140 - This story was a huge cottage industry. 1004 00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:49,410 "The National Enquirer" never had it so good. 1005 00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:51,680 - The families of both Laci and Scott Peterson 1006 00:50:51,780 --> 00:50:53,480 watching in court this week. 1007 00:50:53,580 --> 00:50:58,020 - People think that there's some conspiracy as to 1008 00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,190 what we see in the mainstream media. 1009 00:51:01,290 --> 00:51:02,220 Well, here's what we see. 1010 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,430 We see what people want to see 1011 00:51:04,530 --> 00:51:06,560 because that's how they make money. 1012 00:51:06,660 --> 00:51:09,260 - Friends and family of this young woman, Laci Peterson. 1013 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,230 - Careers were made on it. 1014 00:51:11,330 --> 00:51:13,570 Within months, I was working at CNN 1015 00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:15,570 and had been a national reporter since. 1016 00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:18,540 In Modesto, Ted Rowlands, KTVU Channel 2 News. 1017 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,340 - Nancy Grace was a reoccurring guest. 1018 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,050 Her career absolutely exploded. 1019 00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:26,550 A lot of lives were changed 1020 00:51:26,650 --> 00:51:31,190 because of the death of Laci and Conner Peterson. 1021 00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,490 - A baby boy, umbilical cord still attached. 1022 00:51:36,590 --> 00:51:38,260 - There was a lot of hatred. 1023 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:42,100 There was a lot of pretrial coverage 1024 00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,600 and a conviction in the media. 1025 00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:47,570 But otherwise, as far as evidence, 1026 00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:49,670 at least I didn't see any evidence. 1027 00:51:49,770 --> 00:51:55,240 - Twenty years later, you have two very compelling stories, 1028 00:51:55,340 --> 00:51:56,610 circumstantial as they may be. 1029 00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:59,410 If you think Scott Peterson is guilty, 1030 00:51:59,510 --> 00:52:04,490 yeah, there's a ton of evidence on your side. 1031 00:52:04,590 --> 00:52:07,520 If you think Scott Peterson is not guilty, 1032 00:52:07,620 --> 00:52:10,130 there's some compelling evidence on your side. 1033 00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:12,630 The problem is, there's no black and white, 1034 00:52:12,730 --> 00:52:15,830 here's why we think he did it or didn't do it. 1035 00:52:15,930 --> 00:52:17,400 There's nothing concrete. 1036 00:52:17,500 --> 00:52:20,100 And that's what the LA Innocence Project, 1037 00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:21,540 I guess, is after. 1038 00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,670 - Journalism is all about finding the truth 1039 00:52:23,770 --> 00:52:28,340 and holding our public servants accountable. 1040 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,410 At some point, law enforcement has to engage in this. 1041 00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:33,310 It has to open their minds a little further. 1042 00:52:33,420 --> 00:52:35,280 - If they go to another trial, I'm not gonna like it 1043 00:52:35,380 --> 00:52:37,650 because it's gonna disrupt a lot of people's lives. 1044 00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:40,090 And the big thing for me is what it does 1045 00:52:40,190 --> 00:52:42,290 to Sharon, Amy, Brent. 1046 00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:44,160 When they got the verdict, they were probably 1047 00:52:44,260 --> 00:52:45,390 on the attitude that, oh, this is all done 1048 00:52:45,490 --> 00:52:46,560 and we can resume our lives. 1049 00:52:46,660 --> 00:52:48,660 But no, it doesn't work that way. 1050 00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,800 - People never come to terms with something 1051 00:52:51,900 --> 00:52:53,570 like a murder in their family. 1052 00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,710 There's no such thing as closure. 1053 00:52:58,810 --> 00:53:01,510 It's something that haunts you and you live with 1054 00:53:01,610 --> 00:53:03,610 for the rest of your life. 1055 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,380 - It's been 22 years since Laci went missing. 1056 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:15,360 So really, this tragedy is-- 1057 00:53:15,460 --> 00:53:18,830 it's been part of our lives for a very long time. 1058 00:53:18,930 --> 00:53:21,160 My kids grew up with it. 1059 00:53:21,260 --> 00:53:24,200 My nieces and nephews grew up with it. 1060 00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:28,440 We've lived with this injustice droning 1061 00:53:28,540 --> 00:53:30,540 in the background of life. 1062 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,640 Our biggest hope is that we not only 1063 00:53:34,740 --> 00:53:39,480 are able to free Scott, but ultimately find out 1064 00:53:39,580 --> 00:53:43,350 what did happen to Laci and Conner. 1065 00:53:43,450 --> 00:53:45,120 We need both. 1066 00:53:45,220 --> 00:53:48,260 And Laci deserves both. 1067 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,530 - Her name is Laci Peterson, 1068 00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:55,830 and she has disappeared without a trace. 1069 00:53:55,930 --> 00:53:58,300 - Are you in any way connected to Laci's disappearance? 1070 00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,270 - I had nothing to do with Laci's disappearance. 1071 00:54:01,370 --> 00:54:03,340 - Somebody has Laci. - Authorities are baffled. 1072 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,440 - A brown van could back up 1073 00:54:05,540 --> 00:54:07,340 a defense theory Laci was abducted. 1074 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,550 - $1,000 for someone that leads us to the persons 1075 00:54:10,650 --> 00:54:12,280 responsible for the burglary. 1076 00:54:17,850 --> 00:54:19,220 - We were shocked to find out that 1077 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:20,520 he'd been having an affair. 1078 00:54:20,620 --> 00:54:22,560 - I'm only left to question what else he may be hiding. 1079 00:54:22,660 --> 00:54:25,590 - A female adult body was discovered late this morning 1080 00:54:25,690 --> 00:54:27,630 by a woman walking the shoreline. 1081 00:54:27,730 --> 00:54:29,260 - Murder suspect Scott Peterson 1082 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,200 had $10,000 in cash when he was arrested 1083 00:54:32,300 --> 00:54:33,470 near the Mexican border. 1084 00:54:33,570 --> 00:54:36,540 - A crowd of 250 taunted and heckled him, 1085 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,310 calling him a murderer. 1086 00:54:38,410 --> 00:54:40,340 - Peterson has been found guilty of first- 1087 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:41,640 and second-degree murder. 1088 00:54:41,740 --> 00:54:42,680 [cheering] 1089 00:54:42,780 --> 00:54:44,610 - Whoo-hoo! That's it! I'm happy! 1090 00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:46,310 - The judge in Scott Peterson's murder trial 1091 00:54:46,410 --> 00:54:48,220 sentenced him, calling him cruel, 1092 00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:49,520 uncaring, and heartless. 1093 00:54:49,620 --> 00:54:50,820 - Scott got what he deserved. 1094 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,920 - Key questions remain unanswered 1095 00:54:53,020 --> 00:54:57,690 and have left some wondering, will we ever get to the truth? 1096 00:55:00,460 --> 00:55:03,330 [somber music] 1097 00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:04,700 * * 1098 00:55:10,970 --> 00:55:16,310 - Every moment is so real, is so tactile and still there. 1099 00:55:16,410 --> 00:55:18,650 And the smells and the lighting and the sound 1100 00:55:18,750 --> 00:55:24,790 of when I say goodbye to Laci, I mean, my family was gone. 1101 00:55:24,890 --> 00:55:28,860 I drove away, expecting to come back that afternoon 1102 00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,730 and have our wonderful Christmas together 1103 00:55:30,830 --> 00:55:32,630 after we both had, you know, fun mornings. 1104 00:55:32,730 --> 00:55:35,600 And no, they were gone. 1105 00:55:35,700 --> 00:55:40,500 And it's still very, very present. 1106 00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,770 But there are certainly times that I become a wreck. 1107 00:55:46,410 --> 00:55:48,410 Excuse me. 1108 00:55:48,510 --> 00:55:52,550 You know, I try not to be too emotional 1109 00:55:52,650 --> 00:55:55,220 when I'm out here in the day room of the prison. 1110 00:55:55,320 --> 00:56:02,390 * * 86986

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