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Let's go here. 15 00:00:59,000 --> 00:00:59,369 16 00:01:00,369 --> 00:01:00,750 17 00:01:01,319 --> 00:01:01,330 18 00:01:01,630 --> 00:01:02,900 19 00:01:04,459 --> 00:01:05,110 20 00:01:05,230 --> 00:01:05,540 21 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:06,120 22 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:08,019 23 00:01:08,199 --> 00:01:08,339 24 00:01:11,389 --> 00:01:11,569 25 00:01:13,610 --> 00:01:13,650 26 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:16,339 27 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:24,599 28 00:01:24,750 --> 00:01:24,800 29 00:01:25,669 --> 00:01:26,029 30 00:01:26,389 --> 00:01:26,660 I don't know. 31 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:29,510 Yes. 32 00:01:30,970 --> 00:01:32,190 You know what it'll be worth it. 33 00:01:40,550 --> 00:01:41,610 Take your pants up 34 00:01:43,739 --> 00:01:43,790 and 35 00:01:43,970 --> 00:01:44,599 give it to me. 36 00:01:47,279 --> 00:01:47,500 37 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:50,949 38 00:01:53,180 --> 00:01:53,199 39 00:01:54,069 --> 00:01:54,580 40 00:01:57,849 --> 00:01:58,250 41 00:01:59,739 --> 00:02:00,099 42 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:05,120 43 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:07,010 44 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:09,500 45 00:02:09,899 --> 00:02:11,080 I'm up here and let me tell you. 46 00:02:13,820 --> 00:02:14,279 47 00:02:22,300 --> 00:02:22,539 48 00:02:24,380 --> 00:02:24,389 49 00:02:38,750 --> 00:02:39,130 50 00:02:42,789 --> 00:02:44,690 oh God, you're so good. 51 00:02:51,339 --> 00:02:51,740 Really? 52 00:02:53,559 --> 00:02:54,649 You know, I gotta go, 53 00:02:55,089 --> 00:02:55,830 I gotta go 54 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,380 “Study on Voyeurism”. 55 00:04:19,190 --> 00:04:20,329 I don't know. I'm not sure. 56 00:04:21,660 --> 00:04:24,040 Doctor Taylor, granted, I've been here only a week 57 00:04:24,269 --> 00:04:28,320 but of the information that I've looked at of all the sexual problems that 58 00:04:28,329 --> 00:04:31,089 human response associates sees voyeurism is the 59 00:04:31,100 --> 00:04:32,839 one that we're least effective treating. 60 00:04:33,529 --> 00:04:35,619 I'd like to recruit some subjects and 61 00:04:35,630 --> 00:04:38,059 then do some preliminary clinical observations. 62 00:04:38,970 --> 00:04:41,459 Well, as I remember, there's not much work that has been done in that field. 63 00:04:41,470 --> 00:04:43,859 No, I think it's a really rich area for research. 64 00:04:46,579 --> 00:04:48,570 What's your working definition of voyeurism? 65 00:04:49,940 --> 00:04:55,440 The act of secretly observing unsuspecting people who are naked or in the 66 00:04:55,450 --> 00:04:57,769 process of undressing or participating in sexual 67 00:04:57,779 --> 00:05:00,480 activity for one's own sexual pleasure. 68 00:05:01,359 --> 00:05:02,190 First stage, 69 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,619 I'd like to hold in depth interviews and then look over the 70 00:05:04,630 --> 00:05:05,980 information and then I'd like to 71 00:05:05,989 --> 00:05:09,140 propose a program of therapeutic recommendations. 72 00:05:12,660 --> 00:05:14,279 Have you talked to doctor Brand about this? 73 00:05:14,290 --> 00:05:16,820 She's a clinician that designs the treatment protocols. 74 00:05:17,010 --> 00:05:18,929 Well, I thought that I'd run it by you first. 75 00:05:19,140 --> 00:05:21,459 My only concern here is it might be a bit too ambitious. 76 00:05:22,779 --> 00:05:24,359 Well, I'll take that as a compliment, 77 00:05:25,029 --> 00:05:27,519 but I must say that when you hired me, you, 78 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,109 you did say to think outside the box. 79 00:05:34,970 --> 00:05:35,649 Nice track it. 80 00:05:36,779 --> 00:05:37,769 I think it's a home run. 81 00:05:38,170 --> 00:05:38,720 Thank you. 82 00:05:42,500 --> 00:05:43,000 Well, 83 00:05:43,010 --> 00:05:45,000 I'm looking forward to what you come up with because 84 00:05:45,010 --> 00:05:48,640 so far I have been completely ineffective with the lawyers. 85 00:05:49,709 --> 00:05:50,480 I think 86 00:05:51,190 --> 00:05:55,279 what we need to do is just see how much you can get them to disclose to you, 87 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:56,570 you know? 88 00:05:57,010 --> 00:05:57,630 89 00:05:58,339 --> 00:05:59,869 Well, why is that an issue though? 90 00:06:00,670 --> 00:06:01,070 Well, 91 00:06:01,079 --> 00:06:03,920 women classically have had difficulty getting the subjects to 92 00:06:03,929 --> 00:06:07,380 disclose the sexual intimate information in their lives. 93 00:06:07,529 --> 00:06:11,850 Oh, well, that won't be a problem. That was my strong suit in grad school. So. Oh, ok. 94 00:06:12,890 --> 00:06:12,910 95 00:06:13,070 --> 00:06:14,470 didn't mean it that way. 96 00:06:20,309 --> 00:06:22,519 Why are you so interested in doing this? 97 00:06:23,859 --> 00:06:24,630 Well, 98 00:06:26,329 --> 00:06:27,149 I guess, 99 00:06:29,929 --> 00:06:32,739 I guess I'm interested because I wanna find out 100 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,899 why I'm so interested in doing it 101 00:07:07,010 --> 00:07:07,790 all set. 102 00:07:08,079 --> 00:07:08,690 We are. 103 00:07:09,549 --> 00:07:10,589 104 00:07:12,309 --> 00:07:13,850 105 00:07:13,980 --> 00:07:15,209 I wish I could be there 106 00:07:15,709 --> 00:07:16,600 but, uh, 107 00:07:16,950 --> 00:07:19,890 I can't, we have another gig tonight in ST Louis Obispo. 108 00:07:21,010 --> 00:07:21,920 So, uh, 109 00:07:22,140 --> 00:07:25,079 I just wanted to wish you luck on your first subject. So, you're gonna knock him dead. 110 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:26,399 I know you will. 111 00:07:26,750 --> 00:07:28,119 I hope you don't actually knock him dead 112 00:07:28,130 --> 00:07:29,559 though because that wouldn't be a good thing. 113 00:07:29,899 --> 00:07:30,519 Um, 114 00:07:32,820 --> 00:07:34,190 I don't know what else to say. 115 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,670 I was gonna, gonna do this entirely naked, 116 00:07:37,950 --> 00:07:38,750 but uh 117 00:07:39,130 --> 00:07:42,320 I figured that if people were watching then that wouldn't be a good thing. 118 00:07:42,899 --> 00:07:45,390 Uh I don't care about these guys though. Um 119 00:07:46,209 --> 00:07:47,390 Yeah. Rock on. 120 00:07:47,609 --> 00:07:51,739 Good luck. I miss you. I love you. I miss you. I can't wait to see you. 121 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:53,019 Oh 122 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:54,299 my God. 123 00:07:55,089 --> 00:07:55,299 Yeah. 124 00:07:56,339 --> 00:07:57,910 Watch me. Climb up a truck. 125 00:07:58,570 --> 00:07:59,320 I love you. 126 00:07:59,549 --> 00:08:00,929 I hope to see you soon. 127 00:08:01,329 --> 00:08:01,959 Bye. 128 00:08:07,250 --> 00:08:09,790 OK. I'm gonna put this microphone here. 129 00:08:12,429 --> 00:08:14,500 There you go. Let me plug it in over here. 130 00:08:16,459 --> 00:08:17,160 Ok. 131 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:19,019 Ok. 132 00:08:25,019 --> 00:08:29,570 Ok. Why don't you start by telling me um, a little bit about you. 133 00:08:31,450 --> 00:08:32,380 My name's Dave. 134 00:08:33,770 --> 00:08:35,669 28. I'm single. 135 00:08:36,349 --> 00:08:37,210 Never been married, 136 00:08:40,808 --> 00:08:41,890 college graduates. 137 00:08:43,169 --> 00:08:43,957 I uh 138 00:08:44,578 --> 00:08:45,739 work in advertising. 139 00:08:46,059 --> 00:08:47,539 I'm a media buyer. 140 00:08:51,650 --> 00:08:53,369 I'm the second of three brothers. 141 00:08:55,190 --> 00:08:55,820 I uh 142 00:08:56,809 --> 00:08:56,820 I 143 00:08:56,950 --> 00:08:59,419 like to play golf. I work out, 144 00:09:00,219 --> 00:09:01,500 watch basketball and 145 00:09:08,630 --> 00:09:09,500 I'm a voyeur. 146 00:09:14,489 --> 00:09:15,380 I haven't know that 147 00:09:15,890 --> 00:09:17,500 I've never told anyone about this. 148 00:09:20,599 --> 00:09:22,169 Jesus Christ. 149 00:09:26,140 --> 00:09:27,219 I just, um, 150 00:09:28,799 --> 00:09:29,900 I must have kept it. 151 00:09:30,739 --> 00:09:31,359 Um, 152 00:09:31,750 --> 00:09:33,219 inside me since I was a child. 153 00:09:34,700 --> 00:09:37,729 And why did you apply for this study? 154 00:09:38,770 --> 00:09:38,789 I 155 00:09:38,890 --> 00:09:42,159 think my voyeurism is keeping me from being intimate with women. 156 00:09:46,619 --> 00:09:47,830 Thanks for telling me that. I 157 00:09:48,460 --> 00:09:49,390 appreciate that. 158 00:09:50,919 --> 00:09:51,340 See, you, 159 00:09:51,590 --> 00:09:51,719 see, you 160 00:09:52,799 --> 00:09:53,900 pretty easy to talk to. 161 00:09:55,229 --> 00:09:56,090 That's good. 162 00:09:59,770 --> 00:10:00,919 So, um, 163 00:10:01,340 --> 00:10:04,700 how long ago was your first voyeuristic experience? 164 00:10:13,260 --> 00:10:14,349 I was a teenager 165 00:10:14,619 --> 00:10:15,659 and it was, uh, 166 00:10:17,460 --> 00:10:17,599 yeah, 167 00:10:18,599 --> 00:10:20,270 I can see it as clear as when it happened 168 00:10:56,049 --> 00:10:56,979 and it was like, 169 00:10:57,510 --> 00:10:59,869 it was like being hit by lightning or something. It was, 170 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:02,979 I mean, after that I was, I was hooked. 171 00:11:06,429 --> 00:11:06,849 Huh? 172 00:11:08,890 --> 00:11:09,580 And 173 00:11:10,369 --> 00:11:11,229 what 174 00:11:11,729 --> 00:11:13,070 did that incident 175 00:11:13,229 --> 00:11:14,229 touch in you? 176 00:11:17,330 --> 00:11:18,030 I don't know, 177 00:11:20,159 --> 00:11:21,940 this is also mysterious to me, 178 00:11:22,349 --> 00:11:23,700 but here are answers, 179 00:11:28,460 --> 00:11:28,979 Brea 180 00:11:30,409 --> 00:11:31,109 pussy. 181 00:11:33,590 --> 00:11:35,349 So that's what everything looked like, 182 00:11:35,630 --> 00:11:37,320 moving nakedness 183 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,309 and she never knew I was what 184 00:11:49,190 --> 00:11:51,679 something about that combination of things that 185 00:11:54,099 --> 00:11:57,000 I'm associating that with the pleasure of my own 186 00:12:00,669 --> 00:12:01,570 orgasm. 187 00:12:05,419 --> 00:12:06,570 That's all she wrote. 188 00:12:11,780 --> 00:12:13,250 And you, 189 00:12:14,710 --> 00:12:16,510 you masturbated when you saw that? 190 00:12:21,619 --> 00:12:22,000 Yeah. 191 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:26,580 And later too 192 00:12:33,150 --> 00:12:34,409 lasted me for months. 193 00:12:37,650 --> 00:12:37,710 Oh 194 00:12:39,500 --> 00:12:43,880 You know, I, I really appreciate how articulate you're being about this. 195 00:12:44,820 --> 00:12:46,000 It's really helpful. 196 00:12:46,900 --> 00:12:48,320 Well, it's a major deal for me. 197 00:12:49,599 --> 00:12:51,070 I've given this a lot of thought 198 00:12:51,219 --> 00:12:51,919 and uh 199 00:12:54,669 --> 00:12:54,679 I 200 00:12:54,900 --> 00:12:56,409 mean, there's so much time 201 00:12:56,510 --> 00:12:59,890 spent searching for voyeuristic opportunities. It's 202 00:13:02,530 --> 00:13:04,590 if I cannot be as obsessed as I am, 203 00:13:05,020 --> 00:13:07,419 you know, I don't want to go through my whole life doing this. 204 00:13:09,369 --> 00:13:09,960 Huh? 205 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,179 Sometimes it just gets to be too much 206 00:13:20,099 --> 00:13:20,599 it's OK. 207 00:13:24,830 --> 00:13:26,000 So tell me about 208 00:13:26,229 --> 00:13:27,299 the second time, 209 00:13:27,450 --> 00:13:27,469 the 210 00:13:27,739 --> 00:13:28,640 second time. 211 00:13:29,429 --> 00:13:29,440 Uh 212 00:13:29,710 --> 00:13:31,169 we had to move 213 00:13:31,359 --> 00:13:32,719 because of my father's job. 214 00:13:34,659 --> 00:13:35,280 It started 215 00:13:36,190 --> 00:13:37,369 two days after we got there, 216 00:13:38,900 --> 00:13:41,080 it was August and it was hot. I mean, 217 00:13:42,250 --> 00:13:43,900 sweltering hot. 218 00:13:56,799 --> 00:13:58,940 There's no accident here. I mean, I 219 00:14:00,150 --> 00:14:02,320 believe she came out to fuck that guy 220 00:14:02,590 --> 00:14:03,450 and she did 221 00:14:03,909 --> 00:14:04,809 and after 222 00:14:05,479 --> 00:14:06,489 a couple of minutes 223 00:14:07,380 --> 00:14:08,919 and they were going at it hot and heavy, 224 00:14:10,849 --> 00:14:12,270 she was going nuts. 225 00:14:15,150 --> 00:14:16,979 She kept rubbing up on him and 226 00:14:21,719 --> 00:14:23,070 he had this giant heart on 227 00:14:49,010 --> 00:14:50,750 was an amazing event for me. 228 00:14:52,710 --> 00:14:54,799 I was watching people have sex 229 00:14:56,359 --> 00:14:57,500 do the thing 230 00:15:00,130 --> 00:15:01,409 that I had never done, 231 00:15:06,729 --> 00:15:07,979 even though I'd never seen it. 232 00:15:08,099 --> 00:15:08,789 You know what I mean? 233 00:15:10,450 --> 00:15:11,510 But there was 234 00:15:14,119 --> 00:15:14,789 are so 235 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:15,809 primitive 236 00:15:17,940 --> 00:15:18,070 ray 237 00:15:18,270 --> 00:15:18,650 on 238 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:21,390 dirty and 239 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:24,440 Saxon, 240 00:15:31,979 --> 00:15:32,679 but it was 241 00:15:34,349 --> 00:15:35,570 right in front of my eyes 242 00:15:38,330 --> 00:15:39,299 for me. 243 00:15:40,580 --> 00:15:41,760 I was alone. 244 00:15:44,429 --> 00:15:45,570 It was amazing. They 245 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:46,840 didn't start. 246 00:15:49,849 --> 00:15:49,890 Thank 247 00:15:50,010 --> 00:15:50,030 you. 248 00:15:52,039 --> 00:15:53,200 She went nuts and 249 00:15:54,719 --> 00:15:56,770 I always thought that that was the first time that it 250 00:15:58,130 --> 00:15:59,049 because she went 251 00:15:59,270 --> 00:15:59,909 crazy. 252 00:16:15,109 --> 00:16:15,770 She came, 253 00:17:18,430 --> 00:17:19,598 ok, let's do it. 254 00:17:19,699 --> 00:17:20,209 OK? 255 00:17:21,078 --> 00:17:23,948 All right. So just um tell me who you are 256 00:17:24,667 --> 00:17:26,848 and you're gonna get that pulling on it. 257 00:17:29,300 --> 00:17:33,150 Tell me who you are and um and why you're here. 258 00:17:33,930 --> 00:17:35,160 OK? Uh 259 00:17:35,430 --> 00:17:39,000 I'm Christopher. I'm 30. I'm a website designer. 260 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:40,770 Uh What else? 261 00:17:41,810 --> 00:17:43,500 And, and why you're here? 262 00:17:44,229 --> 00:17:45,709 Well, we have to be somewhere, right? 263 00:17:47,209 --> 00:17:49,349 Look, I figured maybe I could learn something. 264 00:17:50,229 --> 00:17:50,560 Yeah, 265 00:17:51,569 --> 00:17:52,439 you never know. 266 00:17:54,130 --> 00:17:58,660 So tell me about, about your family, about your relationships. Are you single? 267 00:17:59,130 --> 00:18:00,790 Uh, yeah, I'm single. 268 00:18:00,989 --> 00:18:03,219 I grew up in a middle class family. 269 00:18:03,969 --> 00:18:06,229 Um, my mother was a social worker. 270 00:18:06,770 --> 00:18:09,180 Parents split up when I was young. 271 00:18:09,449 --> 00:18:10,530 Sixth grade. 272 00:18:12,300 --> 00:18:13,239 Um, 273 00:18:13,780 --> 00:18:17,630 I don't know. I answered your ad because I guess some, what you might call a, a voyeur 274 00:18:19,430 --> 00:18:20,719 look, it's not an urban myth. 275 00:18:20,729 --> 00:18:24,569 I was the kid with the mirrors on my shoes, looking up girls dresses. Ok. 276 00:18:27,599 --> 00:18:30,469 I don't know the things, the things that I remember 277 00:18:30,709 --> 00:18:33,239 from my life are the things that I saw 278 00:18:35,579 --> 00:18:39,280 what most people might call dirty things. I call beautiful things. 279 00:18:45,030 --> 00:18:46,849 Those are the images that shaped me. 280 00:18:50,449 --> 00:18:52,949 Listen, it's the moments in life with 281 00:18:53,109 --> 00:18:53,910 truth. 282 00:18:55,290 --> 00:18:57,510 Those are the images that turn me on. 283 00:19:00,959 --> 00:19:03,569 Stealing images from life is my life. 284 00:19:04,339 --> 00:19:04,910 You see. 285 00:19:07,020 --> 00:19:07,709 Um 286 00:19:10,069 --> 00:19:10,729 look, 287 00:19:11,089 --> 00:19:15,150 I don't, I don't have what you would call normal relationships with women. 288 00:19:15,569 --> 00:19:18,699 OK? But I do have relationships 289 00:19:19,010 --> 00:19:19,900 with them. 290 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:21,369 Um 291 00:19:23,729 --> 00:19:26,109 There was this woman once who used to, 292 00:19:26,489 --> 00:19:28,939 she used to live close to where I used to work 293 00:19:32,770 --> 00:19:35,560 and she knew everything about me and she knew when I got off and everything 294 00:19:36,479 --> 00:19:38,150 and she would put on these shows for me 295 00:19:47,339 --> 00:19:48,420 in front of her window, 296 00:19:48,430 --> 00:19:51,310 she would take off her clothes and she would play with herself. 297 00:19:53,829 --> 00:19:56,699 We must have done it maybe a dozen times over a three month period. 298 00:20:02,839 --> 00:20:06,099 But in that whole time, she never once acknowledged 299 00:20:06,500 --> 00:20:07,380 that I was even there, 300 00:20:08,930 --> 00:20:10,630 I would just sit in my car and, 301 00:20:12,420 --> 00:20:13,160 wow. 302 00:20:16,459 --> 00:20:19,910 I don't know. I used to wonder if she would do that for anyone else. 303 00:20:22,290 --> 00:20:24,510 I kind of like to think that she didn't. 304 00:20:26,489 --> 00:20:27,530 I'm so happy that you, 305 00:20:28,010 --> 00:20:29,979 it's good to be here. I'm so glad. 306 00:20:31,469 --> 00:20:31,489 Yeah. 307 00:20:33,869 --> 00:20:36,609 Tell me about the voyeurism business. 308 00:20:38,140 --> 00:20:39,770 Well, it's going good. 309 00:20:40,369 --> 00:20:40,660 Yeah. 310 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:41,060 Yeah. 311 00:20:42,250 --> 00:20:43,050 Are you 312 00:20:44,250 --> 00:20:45,890 becoming a voyeur? 313 00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:49,290 Well, actually, 314 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:50,979 yes. 315 00:20:51,170 --> 00:20:51,699 Yeah. 316 00:20:52,410 --> 00:20:53,209 Yeah, I am. 317 00:20:55,530 --> 00:20:56,250 Really? 318 00:20:57,439 --> 00:20:58,339 Yeah. Really? 319 00:20:59,660 --> 00:21:00,290 And, 320 00:21:01,300 --> 00:21:02,540 and 321 00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:04,459 it's wild. 322 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:06,650 It's really wild. 323 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:08,699 Really? 324 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,219 Yeah. Really? What is really, 325 00:21:14,910 --> 00:21:15,949 well, has it 326 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:17,300 really 327 00:21:17,489 --> 00:21:18,500 affected you? 328 00:21:19,829 --> 00:21:19,839 I 329 00:21:20,150 --> 00:21:21,569 mean, sexually 330 00:21:26,530 --> 00:21:27,569 you want to find out, 331 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,619 I guess, 332 00:21:32,849 --> 00:21:33,900 you guess? 333 00:21:37,810 --> 00:21:38,479 Yes, 334 00:21:39,209 --> 00:21:41,719 I really missed you. I really missed you. 335 00:21:42,239 --> 00:21:43,670 I know someone else. You really 336 00:21:43,790 --> 00:21:44,150 miss me. 337 00:21:45,290 --> 00:21:46,619 I really have, 338 00:21:52,489 --> 00:21:52,510 you 339 00:21:52,689 --> 00:21:52,760 know. 340 00:22:09,979 --> 00:22:10,510 Mm. 341 00:22:11,670 --> 00:22:12,719 I like your video. 342 00:22:14,469 --> 00:22:16,290 Did you like that? You should have, 343 00:22:17,209 --> 00:22:17,619 everybody 344 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:18,650 was making fun of me. 345 00:22:20,569 --> 00:22:20,959 Oh, 346 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:22,949 ok. 347 00:23:22,750 --> 00:23:22,790 Yeah. 348 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:25,479 Hm. 349 00:23:28,089 --> 00:23:28,329 Um, 350 00:23:29,459 --> 00:23:30,310 I miss you. 351 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:34,890 Uh, 352 00:23:37,310 --> 00:23:37,760 ah. 353 00:23:43,949 --> 00:23:44,430 Oh, 354 00:23:52,930 --> 00:23:53,099 go. 355 00:23:58,349 --> 00:23:58,650 No. 356 00:24:01,530 --> 00:24:01,790 Hm. 357 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:04,739 Hm. 358 00:24:06,239 --> 00:24:06,339 Oh, 359 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:06,550 yes. 360 00:24:07,810 --> 00:24:07,979 Oh. 361 00:24:08,900 --> 00:24:08,979 Ah. 362 00:24:11,829 --> 00:24:12,079 Hm. 363 00:24:15,209 --> 00:24:16,000 Oh, yeah. 364 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:17,189 Oh, yes. 365 00:24:19,239 --> 00:24:19,589 Oh, 366 00:24:23,890 --> 00:24:24,020 ok. 367 00:24:26,050 --> 00:24:26,400 Oh. 368 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,189 00. 369 00:24:34,189 --> 00:24:35,969 00, 370 00:24:37,140 --> 00:24:37,770 no, no. 371 00:24:44,579 --> 00:24:44,609 Ah. 372 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:46,339 Ah. 373 00:24:47,250 --> 00:24:47,729 Mm. 374 00:25:00,390 --> 00:25:00,619 Oh. 375 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:04,859 Ah. 376 00:25:06,020 --> 00:25:06,219 Oh. 377 00:25:08,849 --> 00:25:09,199 Ah. 378 00:25:11,729 --> 00:25:11,739 Uh, 379 00:25:21,439 --> 00:25:21,449 uh, 380 00:25:25,479 --> 00:25:25,959 oh, I 381 00:25:26,109 --> 00:25:26,250 can. 382 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:30,160 What's 383 00:25:30,329 --> 00:25:30,609 that? 384 00:25:32,790 --> 00:25:32,810 Yeah. 385 00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:35,619 Ok. 386 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:37,060 I make, 387 00:25:41,530 --> 00:25:41,550 ah, 388 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:52,839 uh, 389 00:26:00,650 --> 00:26:00,689 yeah. 390 00:26:01,939 --> 00:26:02,349 Mm. 391 00:26:11,189 --> 00:26:12,829 I missed you so much. 392 00:26:13,609 --> 00:26:13,979 First two 393 00:26:18,660 --> 00:26:21,349 they think in very specific images 394 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,260 of sex, free visual. 395 00:26:26,170 --> 00:26:28,199 Yeah, I'm treating a woman. Stephanie 396 00:26:28,829 --> 00:26:33,250 26 an exhibitionist. Wish you get your two guys in her to go. 397 00:26:33,459 --> 00:26:34,910 Yeah. Joint research. 398 00:26:35,599 --> 00:26:38,449 Yeah, exactly. I'll tell you what you pitched to Ken. 399 00:26:39,489 --> 00:26:42,750 Well, actually he's got a lot riding on your project 400 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:49,060 and how it's, apparently the board really slammed him for. Ok. In your study. 401 00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:51,989 Yeah, I know. How's it going? 402 00:26:53,349 --> 00:26:53,500 Good. 403 00:26:54,839 --> 00:26:59,660 I'm beginning to think that voyeurism is just an extension of what gets you off. 404 00:27:01,630 --> 00:27:04,949 Ok. I have this sometimes boyfriend that I see immediately. 405 00:27:06,060 --> 00:27:06,420 Ok. 406 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:08,189 And, 407 00:27:09,099 --> 00:27:13,459 and when we make love he likes me to wear like a tank top or t-shirt. 408 00:27:13,689 --> 00:27:14,380 So that, 409 00:27:15,719 --> 00:27:17,880 so that when we're making love, 410 00:27:17,890 --> 00:27:20,640 my breasts are hidden and then eventually they're just revealed. 411 00:27:20,650 --> 00:27:20,729 So. 412 00:27:21,060 --> 00:27:21,369 Right. 413 00:27:22,150 --> 00:27:24,119 And that sort of thing turns them on or I had this 414 00:27:24,130 --> 00:27:27,979 boyfriend in high school who just had this thing for my butt, 415 00:27:27,989 --> 00:27:28,489 you know, 416 00:27:28,670 --> 00:27:29,060 and 417 00:27:29,380 --> 00:27:29,939 so 418 00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:33,890 I'm thinking that voyeurism is just these guys' preference of how 419 00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:37,579 they like to experience sex. Nothing more and nothing less. 420 00:27:40,020 --> 00:27:40,540 Mm. 421 00:27:41,410 --> 00:27:42,140 So 422 00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:44,619 thank you for coming. 423 00:27:45,469 --> 00:27:47,959 Um Tell me a little bit about yourself. 424 00:27:50,699 --> 00:27:51,699 My name is Steven. 425 00:27:53,540 --> 00:27:54,949 I'm a psychotherapist. 426 00:27:55,729 --> 00:27:55,750 I 427 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,170 have a very successful family practice. 428 00:28:00,010 --> 00:28:00,989 I'm married, 429 00:28:02,270 --> 00:28:04,069 my wife Judy is a patent attorney. 430 00:28:05,479 --> 00:28:07,329 I went to Golden State University in Whittal 431 00:28:07,550 --> 00:28:08,729 for my grad studies. 432 00:28:12,050 --> 00:28:13,010 I run 433 00:28:13,660 --> 00:28:14,530 work out. 434 00:28:15,369 --> 00:28:16,609 I collect fine art. 435 00:28:17,959 --> 00:28:19,339 I enjoy antique pottery 436 00:28:20,020 --> 00:28:22,069 and I do work with the Special Olympics. 437 00:28:23,969 --> 00:28:24,520 Um 438 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:26,819 Why are you here? 439 00:28:28,589 --> 00:28:29,410 I'm here 440 00:28:30,739 --> 00:28:31,719 because I wanna 441 00:28:33,609 --> 00:28:38,089 have a better understanding of this whole behavior I seem to be swept up in. 442 00:28:42,060 --> 00:28:42,880 I think 443 00:28:43,459 --> 00:28:46,859 my life could be a good deal more relaxed. If I can, 444 00:28:50,449 --> 00:28:52,810 I, I don't know, I control is the wrong word. 445 00:28:53,130 --> 00:28:56,449 But I guess just to have a better understanding of why I'm doing what I'm doing. 446 00:28:58,500 --> 00:28:58,989 Mm. 447 00:29:02,989 --> 00:29:04,469 It seems to be 448 00:29:04,819 --> 00:29:06,910 coming between Judy and I, 449 00:29:08,250 --> 00:29:09,859 it's a real problem for us 450 00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:12,449 for me. 451 00:29:15,630 --> 00:29:16,930 Tell me about 452 00:29:17,819 --> 00:29:18,729 your first experience. 453 00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:31,130 It all started on a Friday night. 454 00:29:32,660 --> 00:29:34,250 My parents were out at the movie. 455 00:29:34,869 --> 00:29:38,089 My brother, Mark was downstairs with his girlfriend. 456 00:29:49,339 --> 00:29:51,069 I've never seen that before. 457 00:29:55,020 --> 00:29:57,099 I mean, I knew I shouldn't be looking, 458 00:29:57,810 --> 00:29:59,189 but I couldn't help it. I couldn't 459 00:30:00,010 --> 00:30:01,349 take my eyes off of them. 460 00:30:13,910 --> 00:30:14,560 Love your son. 461 00:30:18,859 --> 00:30:19,719 I became 462 00:30:21,140 --> 00:30:22,479 very excited. 463 00:30:52,609 --> 00:30:55,349 It was a very strange feeling. 464 00:30:58,540 --> 00:30:59,520 They started 465 00:30:59,829 --> 00:31:01,079 having intercourse. 466 00:31:22,750 --> 00:31:24,449 I could see everything 467 00:31:27,729 --> 00:31:28,349 and then 468 00:31:30,969 --> 00:31:32,890 the most amazing thing happened, 469 00:31:38,550 --> 00:31:39,209 saw me. 470 00:31:47,219 --> 00:31:48,040 It was like 471 00:31:48,250 --> 00:31:51,719 she was making love to me at the same time. Mark was making love to her. 472 00:32:01,739 --> 00:32:03,760 My brother dated her for about another year 473 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,300 and were there no other incidents? 474 00:32:17,849 --> 00:32:18,810 Just one. 475 00:32:21,729 --> 00:32:22,630 It was one night 476 00:32:23,180 --> 00:32:24,189 my brother 477 00:32:25,290 --> 00:32:27,189 and Kay, we're sitting at the dining room table. 478 00:32:29,099 --> 00:32:29,140 I 479 00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:30,520 was in the living room. 480 00:32:31,219 --> 00:32:32,319 Mark left. 481 00:32:36,859 --> 00:32:38,359 I'd seen that smile before. 482 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,760 I became very excited. 483 00:32:42,719 --> 00:32:43,819 Very excited. 484 00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:46,060 Mm 485 00:32:47,180 --> 00:32:50,250 Spread her legs so I could see her panties 486 00:32:51,010 --> 00:32:52,239 and then she smiled again 487 00:32:54,750 --> 00:32:55,859 and she reached out and 488 00:32:56,770 --> 00:32:59,780 pulled her panties to the side so I could see her vagina. 489 00:33:18,420 --> 00:33:19,630 That was the most 490 00:33:20,619 --> 00:33:21,800 amazing thing 491 00:33:23,099 --> 00:33:23,660 I'm 492 00:33:23,979 --> 00:33:24,510 to, 493 00:33:24,979 --> 00:33:26,140 to this day 494 00:33:27,199 --> 00:33:29,459 I can picture it exactly as it happened. 495 00:33:46,270 --> 00:33:47,209 I don't know 496 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,079 whether it was 497 00:33:49,439 --> 00:33:53,050 the fact that it was a taboo because it was my brother's girlfriend. But 498 00:33:54,650 --> 00:33:56,790 it still gets me so excited. 499 00:34:08,060 --> 00:34:10,239 It's interesting how Stephen Kay, 500 00:34:10,610 --> 00:34:12,520 even though he's a psychotherapist 501 00:34:12,870 --> 00:34:15,760 seems to be blind when it comes to his own behavior. 502 00:34:16,408 --> 00:34:19,638 I was particularly impressed by the strength of his memories. 503 00:34:19,648 --> 00:34:21,947 He, he gets lost in them. 504 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:30,020 Voyeurism is this strictly visual. Therefore, probably strictly male behavior. 505 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,639 It's a quote safe unquote behavior because they don't 506 00:34:35,649 --> 00:34:37,958 have to commit to another person on any, 507 00:34:38,429 --> 00:34:40,129 on any meaningful level. 508 00:35:14,340 --> 00:35:16,439 I had the dream set up in college. 509 00:35:17,540 --> 00:35:22,050 Um, everyone there was pretty cool. So I set up some bathroom cams 510 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,090 and I had three of them and I put them in strategic locations. 511 00:35:26,909 --> 00:35:29,050 I think it was one of the first ones ever done. Actually, 512 00:35:30,330 --> 00:35:32,570 I saw some incredible stuff I saw, 513 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,620 I saw this girl playing with herself 514 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:55,899 and it was beautiful. 515 00:37:06,620 --> 00:37:08,399 Why was that exciting to you? 516 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,280 Oh, I guess that's why I'm here. Right. 517 00:37:14,929 --> 00:37:17,040 And what other incidents 518 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:18,760 stand out for you? 519 00:37:20,179 --> 00:37:21,919 I was at this party once 520 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:23,530 and I, uh, 521 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:24,219 I, 522 00:37:25,629 --> 00:37:30,879 I showed this girl some tape that I had shot for playing with herself. 523 00:37:30,889 --> 00:37:32,969 She was kind of a freak because she liked it. 524 00:37:33,209 --> 00:37:34,080 So, uh, 525 00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:38,250 so I shot some of her sucking me off 526 00:37:41,919 --> 00:37:42,550 and 527 00:37:43,629 --> 00:37:46,419 what was it like looking at yourself on tape? 528 00:37:49,649 --> 00:37:52,790 I don't know. I mean, I didn't really think of it that way. It wasn't, uh, 529 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:56,340 you know, it actually wasn't, 530 00:37:57,229 --> 00:37:59,520 it didn't quite work for me and she knew she 531 00:37:59,530 --> 00:38:01,580 was being taped and it fucked up the whole thing. 532 00:38:01,590 --> 00:38:02,209 So, uh, 533 00:38:03,419 --> 00:38:05,280 I told her that the cameras were busted and I 534 00:38:05,290 --> 00:38:07,340 end up getting the all time best tape anyhow. 535 00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:45,629 It was incredible. 536 00:38:54,610 --> 00:38:55,580 Left them behind 537 00:39:05,919 --> 00:39:05,959 down. 538 00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:09,909 Yeah. 539 00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:33,229 You must have done it, like, 10 different ways. 540 00:39:34,250 --> 00:39:34,739 Hm. 541 00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:37,439 They refer to that tape as a decathlon tape 542 00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:39,489 house 543 00:39:47,729 --> 00:39:47,909 like 544 00:39:48,810 --> 00:39:49,060 I was. 545 00:39:55,590 --> 00:39:55,979 Yeah. 546 00:39:56,879 --> 00:39:56,989 Mhm. 547 00:40:16,330 --> 00:40:16,399 Mhm. 548 00:40:42,439 --> 00:40:42,929 Uh, how 549 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,659 my last girlfriend, Della and I 550 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,479 tried to incorporate my voyeurism into the relationship, 551 00:42:52,489 --> 00:42:55,229 but it was less than satisfactory. 552 00:42:56,070 --> 00:42:56,750 Meaning 553 00:42:59,300 --> 00:43:00,280 got out of hand. 554 00:43:01,330 --> 00:43:02,600 I lost control. 555 00:43:03,939 --> 00:43:05,679 Not that I was ever in control. 556 00:43:07,590 --> 00:43:08,810 What happened, Stephen, 557 00:43:13,850 --> 00:43:15,459 I became obsessed 558 00:43:15,770 --> 00:43:16,909 with the idea 559 00:43:20,649 --> 00:43:23,110 of watching Della show herself off in public. 560 00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:29,489 I took her to this nudie bar, you know, the kind with amateur nights 561 00:43:30,010 --> 00:43:33,310 and at my urging, she entered the Wet T Shirt contest. 562 00:43:46,699 --> 00:43:52,760 It's extremely exciting for me seeing other men watching her. 563 00:43:55,959 --> 00:43:57,199 She kept looking at me. 564 00:43:58,879 --> 00:44:02,229 That's crazy. I, I gave her the thumbs up and she went nuts. 565 00:44:05,090 --> 00:44:08,340 She took off her T shirt and exposed her breasts for, 566 00:44:23,590 --> 00:44:24,429 I became 567 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:27,780 terribly excited. 568 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:32,860 I began touching myself. 569 00:44:34,709 --> 00:44:37,850 Della saw that and she started touching her tits and her breasts. 570 00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:41,649 I thought they were going to pull her off the stage. 571 00:44:50,649 --> 00:44:52,040 So she removed her pants and 572 00:44:57,310 --> 00:44:58,209 telling you about it. 573 00:44:59,580 --> 00:45:01,370 It makes me a little uncomfortable. But 574 00:45:02,110 --> 00:45:03,310 being there 575 00:45:03,629 --> 00:45:06,469 seeing it doing it, taking part of it, 576 00:45:06,919 --> 00:45:09,010 the high, the adrenaline rush, 577 00:45:09,290 --> 00:45:10,330 it was 578 00:45:11,219 --> 00:45:12,159 the best, 579 00:45:14,959 --> 00:45:15,770 the best. 580 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:20,969 How, 581 00:45:22,020 --> 00:45:23,570 how did that incident end? 582 00:45:25,709 --> 00:45:30,159 She masturbated herself on stage and we had simultaneous orgasms. 583 00:45:33,169 --> 00:45:34,830 Everything was fine for a while. 584 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:36,989 Then 585 00:45:38,850 --> 00:45:40,659 I really don't know how to describe it, but 586 00:45:42,229 --> 00:45:45,929 it sort of builds up inside of me to have to do something, something 587 00:45:46,270 --> 00:45:47,250 with an edge. 588 00:45:47,620 --> 00:45:49,010 It's like taking a drug 589 00:45:50,139 --> 00:45:51,570 in any event. I 590 00:45:52,129 --> 00:45:53,239 I asked Della 591 00:45:54,500 --> 00:45:56,760 to have sex with another man while I watched 592 00:46:00,350 --> 00:46:02,050 and Della did this willingly. 593 00:46:02,820 --> 00:46:03,639 Totally. 594 00:46:07,879 --> 00:46:09,129 And how did it work? 595 00:46:11,810 --> 00:46:14,229 I got two motel rooms right next to each other and 596 00:46:14,429 --> 00:46:18,189 I set up a tiny video rig between the two rooms. Look, we talked about this. 597 00:46:18,199 --> 00:46:19,409 Everything is gonna be fun. 598 00:46:19,919 --> 00:46:21,310 This is for me, baby. 599 00:46:22,050 --> 00:46:25,010 Ok, I got the camera right here. He's not gonna see anything. 600 00:46:25,129 --> 00:46:26,909 You just act normal. Ok, 601 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,600 fella got dressed up very provocatively and went down to the bar in the hotel room. 602 00:46:32,610 --> 00:46:33,560 Thank you, baby. 603 00:46:34,370 --> 00:46:35,060 Ok. You ready? 604 00:46:35,929 --> 00:46:36,969 All right, let's do it. 605 00:46:39,629 --> 00:46:41,889 Half an hour later. She came back with this guy. 606 00:46:42,409 --> 00:46:44,469 I'm just here overnight on business. 607 00:46:45,090 --> 00:46:47,320 Damn, you're some fine looking woman. You know that don't you. 608 00:46:47,870 --> 00:46:51,399 And you are one hunk of a mess. That's why I invited you up here 609 00:46:51,850 --> 00:46:53,459 because you look like the type of guy 610 00:46:53,729 --> 00:46:55,270 who could fuck my lights out. Oh 611 00:46:55,610 --> 00:46:56,500 shit. 612 00:46:57,790 --> 00:46:58,689 I want you 613 00:46:59,500 --> 00:47:02,389 to take my dress off. No problem. 614 00:47:06,010 --> 00:47:06,030 Oh 615 00:47:07,179 --> 00:47:08,580 I can't believe this is happening. 616 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:10,300 Hm. 617 00:47:11,679 --> 00:47:14,389 You know what I want you to put this on? 618 00:47:15,090 --> 00:47:18,250 Oh, man, I hate those things here in my background. 619 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:19,570 I want to suck you off. 620 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,620 Come on, I want you to go down on me. 621 00:47:21,899 --> 00:47:21,919 Yeah. 622 00:47:22,620 --> 00:47:23,449 Take your rats off. 623 00:47:30,250 --> 00:47:32,540 00, yeah. 624 00:47:36,129 --> 00:47:36,649 Yeah. 625 00:47:37,959 --> 00:47:38,469 Hm. 626 00:47:39,540 --> 00:47:39,830 Uh 627 00:47:42,310 --> 00:47:42,649 oh. 628 00:47:44,860 --> 00:47:46,020 Oh, that's excellent. 629 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:47,909 Perfect. 630 00:47:48,070 --> 00:47:48,290 Oh. 631 00:47:50,530 --> 00:47:50,870 Oh, 632 00:47:53,399 --> 00:47:54,770 damn. I wanna fuck you up. 633 00:48:04,189 --> 00:48:04,580 Uh 634 00:48:05,949 --> 00:48:06,129 oh, 635 00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:07,239 I 636 00:48:07,889 --> 00:48:07,939 uh 637 00:48:14,219 --> 00:48:14,489 quite. 638 00:48:17,689 --> 00:48:18,010 Oh yeah. 639 00:48:22,530 --> 00:48:23,030 00 640 00:48:27,260 --> 00:48:27,409 oh 641 00:48:33,260 --> 00:48:33,729 oh 642 00:48:35,159 --> 00:48:35,350 o 643 00:48:48,060 --> 00:48:48,090 OK. 644 00:48:58,520 --> 00:48:58,659 Oh, 645 00:49:05,489 --> 00:49:05,679 you 646 00:49:05,889 --> 00:49:06,060 lost. 647 00:49:13,070 --> 00:49:13,090 Yeah. 648 00:49:20,830 --> 00:49:21,050 00 649 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:27,530 huh. 650 00:49:33,419 --> 00:49:34,370 That was amazing. 651 00:49:36,229 --> 00:49:36,989 It was great. 652 00:49:38,429 --> 00:49:39,629 What did you say your name was? 653 00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:42,909 Do 654 00:49:49,179 --> 00:49:49,939 I gotta get going 655 00:50:04,110 --> 00:50:06,679 afterwards after the guy left? I went into the room. 656 00:50:08,429 --> 00:50:09,060 Ba 657 00:50:10,250 --> 00:50:11,850 That was incredible. 658 00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:14,149 I came so hard. 659 00:50:17,459 --> 00:50:18,280 What's wrong? 660 00:50:20,770 --> 00:50:20,830 That 661 00:50:30,149 --> 00:50:30,270 nice. 662 00:50:31,820 --> 00:50:32,129 We 663 00:50:34,449 --> 00:50:36,510 truly ever recovered from that. 664 00:50:38,949 --> 00:50:41,060 I thought it was going to be OK. But it wasn't, 665 00:50:44,659 --> 00:50:47,530 I've come to think about my behavior as being 666 00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:50,000 objective 667 00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:56,219 because I say I'm going to do one thing and then I end up doing another. 668 00:50:58,739 --> 00:50:58,760 I 669 00:50:58,899 --> 00:51:01,830 just feel like I've, I've lost control. 670 00:51:05,129 --> 00:51:08,629 I just wanted to say that I really appreciate the opportunity 671 00:51:08,639 --> 00:51:11,179 to come down here and talk about this part of my life 672 00:51:11,929 --> 00:51:15,840 when she, um the researcher called me at first I said no, 673 00:51:16,550 --> 00:51:19,770 but then looking back on all that, 674 00:51:22,350 --> 00:51:24,889 I just thought if I came down here and talked about it that 675 00:51:26,570 --> 00:51:28,030 I might be able to let it go, 676 00:51:28,820 --> 00:51:30,429 I think looking back on it now, 677 00:51:30,439 --> 00:51:34,250 which is a hell of a lot easier than trying to gain perspective in the middle of it. 678 00:51:36,969 --> 00:51:38,590 I lost my self respect. 679 00:51:40,260 --> 00:51:43,159 I did things that I didn't think were right for me, 680 00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,189 desperate things to keep me and Stephen together 681 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,120 and you didn't enjoy it. 682 00:51:52,989 --> 00:51:54,340 I wouldn't say that 683 00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,379 it almost gave me permission to do things that I wouldn't have normally done. 684 00:52:02,979 --> 00:52:04,399 I think about those days. 685 00:52:09,689 --> 00:52:10,750 Is this gonna work? 686 00:52:11,979 --> 00:52:14,870 Yeah. You know what's interesting is um 687 00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:17,399 I found that two out of the three men 688 00:52:17,889 --> 00:52:18,830 felt that 689 00:52:19,250 --> 00:52:21,280 no matter how much sexual gratification 690 00:52:21,290 --> 00:52:23,669 they got from their voyeuristic experiences 691 00:52:23,830 --> 00:52:27,199 that voyeurism still had this oppressive hold on their lives 692 00:52:27,409 --> 00:52:30,169 and they felt in the grips of it. You know, they felt victims of it 693 00:52:30,770 --> 00:52:32,760 and so did the people in their relationships. 694 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,659 Well, maybe it's just those two guys. 695 00:52:36,510 --> 00:52:37,919 Well, that's my universe. 696 00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:43,810 My working theory is that the sexual visual procreation genes were 697 00:52:43,820 --> 00:52:46,860 necessary for man's survival and not so much for women's. 698 00:52:46,919 --> 00:52:49,719 And that's why voyeurism didn't develop so much in women. 699 00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,469 It's a little far reaching for clinical observation, isn't 700 00:52:54,629 --> 00:52:54,649 it? 701 00:52:56,159 --> 00:52:58,810 Of course. But, you know, I can't help but go there. 702 00:52:59,159 --> 00:53:00,629 I'm open to anything. 703 00:53:03,219 --> 00:53:05,250 You never seem to set anything in stone. 704 00:53:05,969 --> 00:53:06,649 I like that. 705 00:53:07,389 --> 00:53:07,399 I 706 00:53:07,659 --> 00:53:08,689 like your process. 707 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:09,489 Thanks. 708 00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:15,139 You know, I'm pretty much not into talking about the voyeurism thing all night. 709 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,600 Hey, Michael. So we can talk about whatever rock star all night long. 710 00:53:21,610 --> 00:53:23,260 But I talk about my work and 711 00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:25,020 you freak out, 712 00:53:29,169 --> 00:53:30,520 you want to know if I'm a voyeur. 713 00:53:31,639 --> 00:53:32,459 I'm not 714 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:33,899 ok. 715 00:53:34,300 --> 00:53:37,610 I mean, I look at girls, ok, guys, look at girls. That's the deal. 716 00:53:39,379 --> 00:53:39,969 Uh, I 717 00:53:40,429 --> 00:53:42,520 just want a normal date, you know, 718 00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,159 a nice dinner, some casual sex 719 00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:46,560 on occasion, 720 00:53:48,030 --> 00:53:48,719 you know, 721 00:53:50,709 --> 00:53:54,550 but until you're done with this project, I think I'm shit out of luck. You know what? 722 00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,209 I am starting a new project at a new job. You 723 00:53:57,689 --> 00:53:59,689 think I'm under a little bit of pressure, maybe? 724 00:54:04,989 --> 00:54:05,770 Sorry, 725 00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:07,620 I'm sorry. 726 00:54:12,850 --> 00:54:15,760 Can you just give me some time, Michael, please? 727 00:54:16,810 --> 00:54:17,270 Yeah, 728 00:54:19,949 --> 00:54:21,260 I think I'm just getting a 729 00:54:21,389 --> 00:54:22,379 little 730 00:54:22,860 --> 00:54:24,149 sketched about 731 00:54:25,379 --> 00:54:28,360 you dealing with guys sex problems all day. 732 00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:30,840 It's part of my job. 733 00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:34,320 I know and I know that you're totally cool about 734 00:54:34,439 --> 00:54:34,459 it, 735 00:54:36,709 --> 00:54:37,389 but still, 736 00:54:38,989 --> 00:54:40,330 what would you like me to do? 737 00:54:44,469 --> 00:54:45,370 It's not you, 738 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,020 it's me. 739 00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:51,270 Ok. 740 00:54:57,850 --> 00:54:58,860 I just think 741 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:00,389 that the best thing 742 00:55:00,770 --> 00:55:04,300 for the both of us is to just give each other a little space. 743 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:09,770 What you need to do 744 00:55:10,129 --> 00:55:11,689 right now is this study 745 00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,399 without me being all over you? 746 00:55:13,550 --> 00:55:16,290 You know what this is? Just, we're just going through something just 747 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:27,620 I love you. 748 00:55:29,790 --> 00:55:30,820 I love you. 749 00:55:42,030 --> 00:55:42,649 I'll call you. 750 00:56:06,919 --> 00:56:09,419 I just, I feel so unprofessional. 751 00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,719 There's no reason to be so hard on yourself. 752 00:56:12,139 --> 00:56:14,139 I know. It's just, it's affecting my, 753 00:56:14,689 --> 00:56:16,350 everything, it's affecting 754 00:56:16,659 --> 00:56:21,770 everything. Iii I think about sex. I, I've driven Michael completely away. 755 00:56:21,780 --> 00:56:23,419 I just, I feel obsessed and 756 00:56:24,570 --> 00:56:26,159 why are you being so tough on yourself. 757 00:56:27,580 --> 00:56:28,550 I'm changing. 758 00:56:29,409 --> 00:56:30,399 No, I actually, 759 00:56:31,020 --> 00:56:32,040 I'm learning 760 00:56:32,179 --> 00:56:37,040 about myself. I'm discovering new parts of myself and experiencing new things and 761 00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:38,860 Michael's treading water 762 00:56:39,229 --> 00:56:42,239 and you don't want to bring him down where you can't breathe. Right. 763 00:56:43,129 --> 00:56:43,649 Right. 764 00:56:43,979 --> 00:56:45,500 Does this work affect you? 765 00:56:46,030 --> 00:56:47,590 Yeah. How can it not? I mean, 766 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:48,570 God, 767 00:56:48,770 --> 00:56:50,889 but it's, it's a matter of finding a balance, 768 00:56:50,899 --> 00:56:53,159 like having an outlet or other interests 769 00:56:54,169 --> 00:56:55,760 and we should continue talking 770 00:56:56,050 --> 00:56:57,139 to the movies 771 00:56:57,580 --> 00:56:59,520 and we should make a point of it. Huh? Ok. 772 00:57:03,310 --> 00:57:04,219 Thank you. 773 00:57:04,350 --> 00:57:07,909 Next time I get this way, just hose me off. Send me on my way. 774 00:57:07,919 --> 00:57:10,429 Ok, you're doing all right, kid, you're doing great. 775 00:57:11,500 --> 00:57:15,370 Last time we talked, I asked you to try to bring some intimacy into your voyeurism. 776 00:57:15,379 --> 00:57:17,139 Some humanity. What did you come up with? 777 00:57:21,580 --> 00:57:21,600 I 778 00:57:21,810 --> 00:57:22,929 hired an escort 779 00:57:23,169 --> 00:57:24,179 call, girl, 780 00:57:25,219 --> 00:57:26,300 whatever you wanna call. 781 00:57:30,030 --> 00:57:30,669 Go on. 782 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,169 I took a hotel room 783 00:57:44,649 --> 00:57:45,050 conor, 784 00:57:48,989 --> 00:57:51,379 I'd like to see the money. Oh, sure. 785 00:57:51,659 --> 00:57:52,239 Sure. 786 00:58:06,199 --> 00:58:07,770 No, no. Um, 787 00:58:08,050 --> 00:58:09,250 I just want you to stand here 788 00:58:09,929 --> 00:58:10,449 right here 789 00:58:11,439 --> 00:58:14,209 and I want you to take your clothes off slowly 790 00:58:14,399 --> 00:58:15,350 because I have a camera over 791 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:15,669 here. 792 00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:16,739 Oh, 793 00:58:16,899 --> 00:58:20,479 well, you didn't pay me enough money to take. No, no, no, no, no, no. I, 794 00:58:20,580 --> 00:58:22,939 I don't have any film in it. 795 00:58:24,530 --> 00:58:25,750 You just want me to stand here. 796 00:58:27,739 --> 00:58:29,149 Take off your clothes 797 00:58:29,879 --> 00:58:30,620 slowly, 798 00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:34,459 slowly, slowly, 799 00:58:40,409 --> 00:58:41,449 nice and slow. 800 00:58:46,199 --> 00:58:47,429 So you like tits. 801 00:58:49,860 --> 00:58:50,520 Yep. 802 00:58:51,739 --> 00:58:53,080 Do you want to stack on them? 803 00:58:53,820 --> 00:58:54,320 No. 804 00:58:58,330 --> 00:58:59,820 Do you like asses? 805 00:59:03,219 --> 00:59:04,000 Uh huh. 806 00:59:06,889 --> 00:59:07,590 Wow. 807 00:59:11,679 --> 00:59:13,100 Why don't you come over here? 808 00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,100 I don't think you should worry about me. 809 00:59:25,729 --> 00:59:25,780 Yeah. 810 00:59:31,699 --> 00:59:33,860 Tell me to keep taking my clothes off. Don't touch me. 811 00:59:36,020 --> 00:59:36,870 Get back then. 812 00:59:38,750 --> 00:59:40,209 So you just like to watch, 813 00:59:41,439 --> 00:59:42,129 uh. Yeah. 814 00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:48,919 Hm. 815 01:00:00,959 --> 01:00:02,979 Do you like to watch me play with toys? 816 01:00:04,209 --> 01:00:04,830 Sure. 817 01:00:07,909 --> 01:00:09,010 Take your top off 818 01:00:10,110 --> 01:00:11,520 all the way. Yes. 819 01:00:17,959 --> 01:00:19,120 Is this turning you on? 820 01:00:47,379 --> 01:00:48,500 Just take your panties off? 821 01:00:58,520 --> 01:00:58,659 That it. 822 01:01:00,370 --> 01:01:00,379 I 823 01:01:00,590 --> 01:01:00,629 used 824 01:01:00,739 --> 01:01:00,790 to, uh, 825 01:01:10,770 --> 01:01:12,310 do you just want to see my pussy? 826 01:01:13,159 --> 01:01:13,169 I 827 01:01:13,340 --> 01:01:13,530 see. 828 01:01:20,149 --> 01:01:20,159 Uh, 829 01:01:26,270 --> 01:01:27,929 why don't you play with yourself? 830 01:01:30,909 --> 01:01:31,719 I'm ok. 831 01:01:42,949 --> 01:01:44,719 You're making me really hot. 832 01:01:53,949 --> 01:01:54,919 Oh, yeah. 833 01:01:57,669 --> 01:01:58,929 Do you want me to come for you? 834 01:02:00,010 --> 01:02:00,669 Mhm. 835 01:02:25,830 --> 01:02:28,040 Are you sure you don't want me to suck you off? 836 01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:34,979 Don't worry about me. 837 01:02:41,709 --> 01:02:41,830 Uh, 838 01:02:46,399 --> 01:02:47,149 uh, hm. 839 01:02:48,659 --> 01:02:49,469 Oh, yeah. 840 01:02:52,489 --> 01:02:54,219 00, yeah. 841 01:02:58,850 --> 01:02:58,879 Uh, 842 01:03:03,219 --> 01:03:03,590 uh, 843 01:03:05,020 --> 01:03:05,120 uh, 844 01:03:06,409 --> 01:03:06,530 uh, 845 01:03:08,929 --> 01:03:09,040 uh, 846 01:03:10,540 --> 01:03:10,639 uh, 847 01:03:13,489 --> 01:03:13,989 uh, 848 01:03:25,550 --> 01:03:27,280 where are you, uh, where are you going? 849 01:03:28,030 --> 01:03:30,260 Well, isn't that what you wanted? Take pictures of me 850 01:03:32,419 --> 01:03:33,790 paid for 45 minutes? 851 01:03:34,879 --> 01:03:37,300 Yeah. But you said you just wanted to take pictures, right? 852 01:03:41,370 --> 01:03:41,870 Yeah. 853 01:03:43,989 --> 01:03:44,530 Is you right? 854 01:03:48,989 --> 01:03:50,080 Aren't you happy? 855 01:03:52,239 --> 01:03:52,689 Yeah. 856 01:04:03,669 --> 01:04:04,969 No, no, no, no, don't 857 01:04:05,139 --> 01:04:05,459 touch. 858 01:04:06,489 --> 01:04:06,909 Ok, 859 01:04:08,399 --> 01:04:10,219 thank you. That was, that was great. 860 01:04:11,770 --> 01:04:12,949 Thanks, baby. 861 01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:16,300 Thank you. 862 01:04:18,939 --> 01:04:20,909 So, what was it like when she touched you? 863 01:04:22,500 --> 01:04:22,510 I, 864 01:04:22,659 --> 01:04:23,110 I 865 01:04:23,530 --> 01:04:26,360 didn't see her because I was looking through the, the camera. 866 01:04:26,530 --> 01:04:28,060 So when she touched me, I was 867 01:04:28,439 --> 01:04:30,870 completely surprised because it's, 868 01:04:31,179 --> 01:04:33,179 it's not about that, you know, it's about 869 01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:35,600 watching and, and, um, 870 01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,310 getting off afterwards, 871 01:04:38,459 --> 01:04:40,120 not remembering what it looked like 872 01:04:40,679 --> 01:04:42,439 and bringing up all the little details. 873 01:04:43,209 --> 01:04:44,020 So her 874 01:04:44,270 --> 01:04:45,899 touching me made it something else. 875 01:04:48,010 --> 01:04:52,939 And so did the reality of your experience, 876 01:04:54,389 --> 01:04:57,250 did it live up to your expectations? 877 01:04:59,090 --> 01:04:59,739 Oh, yeah. 878 01:05:00,909 --> 01:05:02,199 Yeah, it was, uh 879 01:05:02,409 --> 01:05:05,560 it was expensive. But hey, we're here for a short trip. You know what I'm saying? 880 01:05:06,909 --> 01:05:07,659 So 881 01:05:07,860 --> 01:05:11,830 did it not matter to you that what you were looking at was 882 01:05:12,719 --> 01:05:16,280 set up that they were bought images that it wasn't real 883 01:05:18,370 --> 01:05:19,000 for real. 884 01:05:20,050 --> 01:05:20,850 Well, that, 885 01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,639 that they were staged, that 886 01:05:24,459 --> 01:05:25,699 they weren't reality. 887 01:05:29,409 --> 01:05:30,350 It was real enough. 888 01:05:31,899 --> 01:05:36,239 Hopefully you can use their voyeur skills and apply them to their therapy 889 01:05:36,429 --> 01:05:42,120 skills, skills, patterns, behaviors, call them what you want, 890 01:05:42,129 --> 01:05:46,399 but use them as a tool to bridge the emotional blocks they're having 891 01:05:46,409 --> 01:05:50,750 with trying to have a quote unquote normal sex life with their partners. 892 01:05:51,919 --> 01:05:52,469 Lisa. 893 01:05:57,399 --> 01:05:59,300 Hi. How's it going? 894 01:05:59,479 --> 01:06:02,280 It's going so good. This is so fascinating, you know, 895 01:06:03,770 --> 01:06:05,840 good. Well, if you need anything, 896 01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:07,959 anything I can do to help you? Let me know. Ok. 897 01:06:08,510 --> 01:06:08,979 Thank you. 898 01:06:14,570 --> 01:06:16,389 I'm a little nervous being here. 899 01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,530 I know that this is gonna be good for us. 900 01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:22,639 What we're hoping to do is Red, 901 01:06:22,689 --> 01:06:25,820 divert Stephen's sexual energy into his relationship with you. 902 01:06:26,699 --> 01:06:27,620 Sounds right. 903 01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:29,679 So what I'm going to want the two of you 904 01:06:29,689 --> 01:06:32,370 to do is I'm gonna want you to use some strategies 905 01:06:32,590 --> 01:06:34,159 that will enable this process. 906 01:06:34,899 --> 01:06:37,300 The part I'm not sure I'm comfortable with is 907 01:06:38,189 --> 01:06:40,500 doing with the cameras, 908 01:06:41,679 --> 01:06:45,989 right? I understand. Well, we do that purely for clinical purposes. 909 01:06:46,129 --> 01:06:48,290 There will be no way anyone can identify you 910 01:06:48,739 --> 01:06:51,820 and no one will be watching. We simply turn on the camera and leave. OK. 911 01:06:53,979 --> 01:06:57,879 In addition, we use video fuzz blocks so that all identities will be kept hidden 912 01:06:58,459 --> 01:07:00,810 and we do that right here in house so 913 01:07:01,050 --> 01:07:03,290 you can be assured there will be no gap in security. 914 01:07:03,899 --> 01:07:04,449 Ok? 915 01:07:04,780 --> 01:07:07,979 Thank you. You're welcome. It makes me feel a little better. 916 01:07:08,810 --> 01:07:08,820 Uh 917 01:07:09,189 --> 01:07:11,979 Lisa and I have also spoken with Steven about some 918 01:07:12,199 --> 01:07:13,989 techniques that might be helpful 919 01:07:14,139 --> 01:07:17,350 and I thought that maybe it'd be best if you just be 920 01:07:17,500 --> 01:07:18,719 spontaneous. 921 01:07:19,159 --> 01:07:19,709 Ok? 922 01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:22,459 Alright. 923 01:07:23,399 --> 01:07:24,189 So um 924 01:07:28,639 --> 01:07:29,340 ok baby 925 01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:34,489 go ahead. 926 01:08:01,209 --> 01:08:02,189 Hey baby 927 01:08:03,090 --> 01:08:04,550 why don't you stand by the bed? 928 01:08:05,929 --> 01:08:06,739 Exciting. 929 01:08:08,580 --> 01:08:09,820 It's so beautiful. 930 01:08:11,429 --> 01:08:13,219 I'd love it if you take your clothes off. 931 01:08:13,959 --> 01:08:14,500 Ok? 932 01:08:21,819 --> 01:08:21,839 I 933 01:08:21,950 --> 01:08:23,189 love watching you 934 01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,180 baby. You got a beautiful ass. 935 01:08:53,919 --> 01:08:53,930 I 936 01:08:54,140 --> 01:08:56,220 want you to take your panties off for me now 937 01:08:58,448 --> 01:08:59,479 we are slow. 938 01:09:34,679 --> 01:09:35,229 There are couple. 939 01:09:41,470 --> 01:09:41,939 Oh 940 01:09:46,649 --> 01:09:47,259 can 941 01:09:48,299 --> 01:09:49,899 I'm gonna look in the mirror angel. 942 01:09:50,618 --> 01:09:51,438 Ok. 943 01:09:57,649 --> 01:09:58,509 Oh yeah, 944 01:10:00,009 --> 01:10:01,069 that's so good baby. 945 01:10:09,450 --> 01:10:09,810 Oh 946 01:10:10,509 --> 01:10:11,439 God. 947 01:10:12,390 --> 01:10:13,089 Oh God. 948 01:10:15,299 --> 01:10:16,669 Oh you're so beautiful. 949 01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:18,290 Oh yeah. 950 01:10:21,759 --> 01:10:21,770 Oh 951 01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:26,200 am I doing it? Ok. 952 01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:27,490 You're doing great. 953 01:12:01,529 --> 01:12:01,589 The 954 01:12:50,250 --> 01:12:50,520 ok. 955 01:12:52,009 --> 01:12:52,020 I 956 01:12:52,290 --> 01:12:52,379 for 957 01:12:55,450 --> 01:12:56,870 no I think it's good. I think everything 958 01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:58,029 is gonna work out. Really 959 01:12:58,939 --> 01:12:59,649 hold on snap. 960 01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:03,009 Um 961 01:13:03,250 --> 01:13:04,890 we'll call you back in about 15 minutes 962 01:13:05,549 --> 01:13:07,390 in about an hour. Let me call you 963 01:13:07,569 --> 01:13:07,970 ladies 964 01:13:21,930 --> 01:13:22,140 you 965 01:15:28,490 --> 01:15:30,839 oh God, I'm sorry. 966 01:15:31,660 --> 01:15:32,040 Oh. 967 01:15:33,839 --> 01:15:35,459 Oh God Lisa. 968 01:15:40,270 --> 01:15:40,609 Right. 969 01:15:42,390 --> 01:15:43,540 That was fantastic. 970 01:15:45,669 --> 01:15:46,439 I'm sure. 971 01:15:50,669 --> 01:15:52,330 Let's pretend it never happened. 972 01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:54,040 You know. That's a very good idea. 973 01:16:18,979 --> 01:16:19,009 Ok. 974 01:16:43,250 --> 01:16:44,959 How are you going to, um, 975 01:16:45,709 --> 01:16:47,410 how are you gonna look back on all this, 976 01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:49,009 on this experience? 977 01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:51,890 Well, 978 01:16:53,259 --> 01:16:55,350 look, I live my life as a voyeur. 979 01:16:55,790 --> 01:16:57,560 Ok. I always have, 980 01:16:57,979 --> 01:16:59,240 I always just done it 981 01:17:00,279 --> 01:17:03,209 but I don't often get a chance to speak with someone intelligent, 982 01:17:03,220 --> 01:17:04,370 like yourself about it. 983 01:17:05,540 --> 01:17:08,600 And I'm very grateful to you for that. It's been very helpful. 984 01:17:09,870 --> 01:17:10,720 Thank you. 985 01:17:14,580 --> 01:17:16,430 And, and your future, 986 01:17:18,060 --> 01:17:19,930 my future. Well, I'm going for it. 987 01:17:20,580 --> 01:17:21,129 You know, 988 01:17:21,509 --> 01:17:26,310 I'm an escrow in this uh small apartment building. It's got 15 units 989 01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:30,959 and completely outfitted with optical fiber surveillance cameras. 990 01:17:32,569 --> 01:17:35,870 Look, nobody's getting hurt. Ok. It's for my benefit alone. 991 01:17:36,279 --> 01:17:40,069 There's no harm, there's no foul. Well, besides the fact that it's illegal, 992 01:17:41,490 --> 01:17:42,700 I have to ask you why 993 01:17:44,700 --> 01:17:49,029 because I've come to realize that my life as a voyeur makes me happy. 994 01:17:50,100 --> 01:17:55,000 So you're just gonna manage these apartments for your life and the rest of your life. 995 01:17:57,669 --> 01:17:59,049 Look, uh, 996 01:18:00,790 --> 01:18:04,729 I'm gonna be the guy who decides who stays and who goes. Ok. 997 01:18:05,209 --> 01:18:08,250 I mean, I could have college girls in one apartment building. 998 01:18:08,259 --> 01:18:09,890 I could have lesbians in another. 999 01:18:11,470 --> 01:18:13,890 You know, I'm gonna have some real variety here. 1000 01:18:16,270 --> 01:18:18,680 I mean, come on. I mean, I'm set for life. 1001 01:18:21,649 --> 01:18:21,959 So like, 1002 01:18:22,669 --> 01:18:23,029 yeah, 1003 01:18:24,060 --> 01:18:25,979 well, who's getting hurt? 1004 01:18:26,919 --> 01:18:27,990 Who's getting hurt? 1005 01:18:29,290 --> 01:18:29,640 No, 1006 01:18:30,939 --> 01:18:33,500 I'm not hurting. Anybody. I'm, you know, I'm just uh 1007 01:18:35,910 --> 01:18:37,680 just having a little bit of uh 1008 01:18:39,459 --> 01:18:40,479 you know what I'm doing, 1009 01:18:41,779 --> 01:18:44,279 I'm giving blood to my fantasies. 1010 01:18:46,370 --> 01:18:47,899 There's nothing wrong with that, right? 1011 01:18:53,459 --> 01:18:54,319 It was great. 1012 01:18:56,930 --> 01:18:58,790 The use of those visual techniques, 1013 01:19:01,229 --> 01:19:02,770 the distance between us 1014 01:19:04,379 --> 01:19:06,310 framing the image as much as 1015 01:19:06,509 --> 01:19:07,560 the reality, 1016 01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:09,120 the mirrors 1017 01:19:09,810 --> 01:19:11,209 playing to the image. 1018 01:19:12,660 --> 01:19:13,939 They worked really great. 1019 01:19:15,500 --> 01:19:16,669 But three months from now 1020 01:19:18,529 --> 01:19:18,770 when 1021 01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,419 Judy and I are both very busy, will it be enough? 1022 01:19:22,379 --> 01:19:23,200 I don't know. 1023 01:19:25,770 --> 01:19:27,629 You know, with voyeurism, it's enough. 1024 01:19:28,549 --> 01:19:29,689 It's only me. 1025 01:19:29,959 --> 01:19:31,129 And each time 1026 01:19:32,899 --> 01:19:34,189 I'm satisfied, 1027 01:19:36,750 --> 01:19:37,810 am I willing 1028 01:19:37,959 --> 01:19:39,819 to put the energy into duty 1029 01:19:40,209 --> 01:19:42,120 that I put into being a voyeur? 1030 01:19:44,020 --> 01:19:45,160 It's your choice. 1031 01:19:46,729 --> 01:19:48,160 Spells it out, doesn't? 1032 01:19:48,430 --> 01:19:48,450 It? 1033 01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:50,459 It sure does. 1034 01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:01,899 So I'm gonna quit. 1035 01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:04,089 Totally. 1036 01:20:06,140 --> 01:20:06,879 Totally. 1037 01:20:08,859 --> 01:20:10,290 That's very brave of you. 1038 01:20:11,979 --> 01:20:13,080 I don't think I have a choice. 1039 01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:15,470 You know, if I want to have a 1040 01:20:16,580 --> 01:20:18,580 lasting relationship with a woman. 1041 01:20:22,410 --> 01:20:24,240 Well, I wish you the best of luck. 1042 01:20:26,399 --> 01:20:28,370 Thanks. Thanks. It's been interesting. 1043 01:20:28,549 --> 01:20:29,740 Yeah. Thank you, 1044 01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:31,410 Alex. 1045 01:27:33,509 --> 01:27:33,529 Yeah. 1046 01:27:37,950 --> 01:27:38,109 And 1047 01:27:40,359 --> 01:27:40,700 uh, 1048 01:27:59,500 --> 01:27:59,729 oh, 1049 01:28:02,490 --> 01:28:02,939 oh, 1050 01:28:04,020 --> 01:28:04,310 ah, 1051 01:28:45,819 --> 01:28:48,229 that night when I saw that menage a 1052 01:28:48,339 --> 01:28:48,600 trois. 1053 01:28:50,020 --> 01:28:50,069 Ok. 1054 01:28:52,430 --> 01:28:56,009 It was, it was a watershed event in my life. 1055 01:29:02,370 --> 01:29:03,799 From that moment 1056 01:29:06,540 --> 01:29:08,240 I became a voyeur. 1057 01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:12,500 An obsessed foyer. 1058 01:29:16,709 --> 01:29:18,149 Suddenly my life, 1059 01:29:20,810 --> 01:29:20,819 I 1060 01:29:21,220 --> 01:29:24,629 just focused on finding situations where I could, 1061 01:29:26,549 --> 01:29:28,310 where I could spy on people 1062 01:29:28,430 --> 01:29:29,209 and, 1063 01:29:31,700 --> 01:29:32,759 and masturbate. 1064 01:29:34,950 --> 01:29:36,870 I would find hotel rooms 1065 01:29:37,229 --> 01:29:38,189 that had, 1066 01:29:41,549 --> 01:29:45,450 that had apartments across the street so that 1067 01:29:47,819 --> 01:29:50,200 so that I could set up my telescope. 1068 01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:51,839 And then 1069 01:29:52,700 --> 01:29:53,770 one day 1070 01:29:55,390 --> 01:29:59,750 I was cruising in Beverly Hills adjacent. I had a lot of luck there. 1071 01:30:02,669 --> 01:30:04,330 I came up with my own system, 1072 01:30:04,660 --> 01:30:06,689 I'd shoot with a digital camera 1073 01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:09,339 and then I put them up on my computer. 1074 01:30:09,450 --> 01:30:13,009 It delayed the sexual satisfaction. 1075 01:30:13,799 --> 01:30:14,240 It 1076 01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:17,149 extended the exquisite tension 1077 01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:19,270 I could see into a bedroom. 1078 01:30:21,169 --> 01:30:25,549 A man was handcuffing a naked woman's wrist to a bedpost 1079 01:30:27,490 --> 01:30:30,060 and he was putting a blindfold on her. 1080 01:30:33,669 --> 01:30:36,810 This was the most exciting thing that I had ever seen. 1081 01:30:37,450 --> 01:30:39,819 I could barely shoot. I was so excited. 1082 01:30:42,020 --> 01:30:43,589 He was putting himself in her mouth. 1083 01:32:00,009 --> 01:32:01,709 Almost getting caught. Scared me. 1084 01:32:03,930 --> 01:32:04,950 It scared me a lot. 1085 01:32:08,049 --> 01:32:09,479 So I went into therapy 1086 01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:11,189 and stopped being a voyeur. 1087 01:32:12,810 --> 01:32:13,669 Totally. 1088 01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:16,100 I figured 1089 01:32:16,950 --> 01:32:19,330 I was happy before the whole thing. So 1090 01:32:19,649 --> 01:32:21,569 why couldn't I be happy again? 1091 01:32:26,850 --> 01:32:29,669 I knew what Stephen Kay meant when he said 1092 01:32:29,799 --> 01:32:30,549 addiction. 1093 01:32:35,259 --> 01:32:37,930 There's nothing inherently wrong with being a voyeur 1094 01:32:37,939 --> 01:32:39,410 as long as there are no victims, 1095 01:32:39,419 --> 01:32:41,890 as long as your life is in proper balance. 1096 01:32:42,169 --> 01:32:42,830 But 1097 01:32:45,189 --> 01:32:48,459 I went a little overboard to say the least 1098 01:32:54,149 --> 01:32:55,200 I've been dating. 1099 01:32:56,459 --> 01:32:59,160 He's a terrific guy. It's been going really well. 1100 01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:04,640 I'm not going to say that I don't miss the rush, 1101 01:33:04,649 --> 01:33:08,569 but it's an even better rush being in a loving relationship. 1102 01:33:12,799 --> 01:33:13,430 That's it.70869

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