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should go inside,
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if there's no, I guess
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I really think we should go inside.
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Ok. Let's go here.
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I don't know.
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Yes.
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You know what it'll be worth it.
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Take your pants up
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and
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give it to me.
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I'm up here and let me tell you.
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oh God, you're so good.
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Really?
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You know, I gotta go,
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I gotta go
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“Study on Voyeurism”.
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I don't know. I'm not sure.
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Doctor Taylor, granted,
I've been here only a week
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but of the information that I've
looked at of all the sexual problems that
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human response
associates sees voyeurism is the
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one that we're least effective treating.
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I'd like to recruit some subjects and
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then do some
preliminary clinical observations.
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Well, as I remember, there's not much
work that has been done in that field.
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No, I think it's a
really rich area for research.
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What's your working
definition of voyeurism?
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The act of secretly observing
unsuspecting people who are naked or in the
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process of undressing
or participating in sexual
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activity for one's own sexual pleasure.
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First stage,
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I'd like to hold in depth
interviews and then look over the
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information and then I'd like to
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propose a program of
therapeutic recommendations.
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Have you talked to
doctor Brand about this?
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She's a clinician that
designs the treatment protocols.
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Well, I thought that
I'd run it by you first.
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My only concern here is it
might be a bit too ambitious.
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Well, I'll take that as a compliment,
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but I must say that
when you hired me, you,
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you did say to think outside the box.
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Nice track it.
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I think it's a home run.
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Thank you.
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Well,
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I'm looking forward to
what you come up with because
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so far I have been
completely ineffective with the lawyers.
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I think
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what we need to do is just see how
much you can get them to disclose to you,
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you know?
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Well, why is that an issue though?
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women classically have had
difficulty getting the subjects to
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disclose the sexual
intimate information in their lives.
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Oh, well, that won't be a problem. That
was my strong suit in grad school. So. Oh, ok.
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didn't mean it that way.
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Why are you so interested in doing this?
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I guess,
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I guess I'm interested
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why I'm so interested in doing it
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all set.
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We are.
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I wish I could be there
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but, uh,
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I can't, we have another
gig tonight in ST Louis Obispo.
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So, uh,
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I just wanted to wish you luck on your
first subject. So, you're gonna knock him dead.
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I know you will.
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I hope you don't actually knock him dead
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though because that
wouldn't be a good thing.
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I don't know what else to say.
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I was gonna, gonna
do this entirely naked,
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but uh
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I figured that if people were
watching then that wouldn't be a good thing.
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Uh I don't care
about these guys though. Um
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Yeah. Rock on.
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Good luck. I miss you. I love you.
I miss you. I can't wait to see you.
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Oh
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my God.
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Yeah.
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Watch me. Climb up a truck.
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I love you.
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I hope to see you soon.
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Bye.
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OK. I'm gonna put this microphone here.
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There you go. Let me
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Ok.
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Ok. Why don't you start by
telling me um, a little bit about you.
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My name's Dave.
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28. I'm single.
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Never been married,
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college graduates.
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I uh
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work in advertising.
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I'm a media buyer.
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I'm the second of three brothers.
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I uh
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I
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like to play golf. I work out,
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watch basketball and
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I'm a voyeur.
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I haven't know that
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I've never told anyone about this.
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Jesus Christ.
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I just, um,
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I must have kept it.
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inside me since I was a child.
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And why did you apply for this study?
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I
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think my voyeurism is keeping
me from being intimate with women.
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Thanks for telling me that. I
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appreciate that.
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See, you,
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see, you
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pretty easy to talk to.
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That's good.
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So, um,
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how long ago was your
first voyeuristic experience?
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I was a teenager
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and it was, uh,
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yeah,
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I can see it as
clear as when it happened
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and it was like,
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it was like being hit by
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I mean, after that I was, I was hooked.
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Huh?
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And
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what
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did that incident
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touch in you?
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I don't know,
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this is also mysterious to me,
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but here are answers,
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Brea
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pussy.
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So that's what everything looked like,
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moving nakedness
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and she never knew I was what
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something about that
combination of things that
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I'm associating that
with the pleasure of my own
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orgasm.
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That's all she wrote.
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And you,
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you masturbated when you saw that?
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Yeah.
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And later too
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lasted me for months.
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Oh
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You know, I, I really appreciate
how articulate you're being about this.
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It's really helpful.
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Well, it's a major deal for me.
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I've given this a lot of thought
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and uh
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mean, there's so much time
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spent searching for
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if I cannot be as obsessed as I am,
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you know, I don't want to go
through my whole life doing this.
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Huh?
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Sometimes it just gets to be too much
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it's OK.
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So tell me about
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the second time,
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the
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second time.
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Uh
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we had to move
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because of my father's job.
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It started
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two days after we got there,
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it was August and it was hot. I mean,
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sweltering hot.
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There's no accident here. I mean, I
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believe she came out to fuck that guy
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and she did
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and after
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a couple of minutes
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and they were going at it hot and heavy,
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she was going nuts.
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She kept rubbing up on him and
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he had this giant heart on
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was an amazing event for me.
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I was watching people have sex
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do the thing
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that I had never done,
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even though I'd never seen it.
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You know what I mean?
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But there was
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are so
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primitive
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ray
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on
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dirty and
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Saxon,
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but it was
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right in front of my eyes
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for me.
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I was alone.
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It was amazing. They
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didn't start.
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Thank
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you.
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She went nuts and
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I always thought that
that was the first time that it
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because she went
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crazy.
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She came,
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ok, let's do it.
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OK?
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All right. So just
um tell me who you are
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and you're gonna get that pulling on it.
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Tell me who you are
and um and why you're here.
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OK? Uh
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I'm Christopher. I'm
30. I'm a website designer.
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Uh What else?
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And, and why you're here?
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Well, we have to be somewhere, right?
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Look, I figured maybe
I could learn something.
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Yeah,
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you never know.
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So tell me about, about your family,
about your relationships. Are you single?
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Uh, yeah, I'm single.
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I grew up in a middle class family.
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Um, my mother was a social worker.
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Parents split up when I was young.
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Sixth grade.
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Um,
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I don't know. I answered your ad because I
guess some, what you might call a, a voyeur
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look, it's not an urban myth.
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I was the kid with the mirrors on
my shoes, looking up girls dresses. Ok.
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I don't know the things,
the things that I remember
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from my life are the things that I saw
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what most people might call
dirty things. I call beautiful things.
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Those are the images that shaped me.
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Listen, it's the moments in life with
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truth.
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Those are the images that turn me on.
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Stealing images from life is my life.
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You see.
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Um
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look,
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I don't, I don't have what you would
call normal relationships with women.
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OK? But I do have relationships
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with them.
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Um
291
00:19:23,729 --> 00:19:26,109
There was this woman once who used to,
292
00:19:26,489 --> 00:19:28,939
she used to live close
to where I used to work
293
00:19:32,770 --> 00:19:35,560
and she knew everything about me and
she knew when I got off and everything
294
00:19:36,479 --> 00:19:38,150
and she would put on these shows for me
295
00:19:47,339 --> 00:19:48,420
in front of her window,
296
00:19:48,430 --> 00:19:51,310
she would take off her clothes
and she would play with herself.
297
00:19:53,829 --> 00:19:56,699
We must have done it maybe a
dozen times over a three month period.
298
00:20:02,839 --> 00:20:06,099
But in that whole time,
she never once acknowledged
299
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that I was even there,
300
00:20:08,930 --> 00:20:10,630
I would just sit in my car and,
301
00:20:12,420 --> 00:20:13,160
wow.
302
00:20:16,459 --> 00:20:19,910
I don't know. I used to wonder if
she would do that for anyone else.
303
00:20:22,290 --> 00:20:24,510
I kind of like to think that she didn't.
304
00:20:26,489 --> 00:20:27,530
I'm so happy that you,
305
00:20:28,010 --> 00:20:29,979
it's good to be here. I'm so glad.
306
00:20:31,469 --> 00:20:31,489
Yeah.
307
00:20:33,869 --> 00:20:36,609
Tell me about the voyeurism business.
308
00:20:38,140 --> 00:20:39,770
Well, it's going good.
309
00:20:40,369 --> 00:20:40,660
Yeah.
310
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:41,060
Yeah.
311
00:20:42,250 --> 00:20:43,050
Are you
312
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becoming a voyeur?
313
00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:49,290
Well, actually,
314
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:50,979
yes.
315
00:20:51,170 --> 00:20:51,699
Yeah.
316
00:20:52,410 --> 00:20:53,209
Yeah, I am.
317
00:20:55,530 --> 00:20:56,250
Really?
318
00:20:57,439 --> 00:20:58,339
Yeah. Really?
319
00:20:59,660 --> 00:21:00,290
And,
320
00:21:01,300 --> 00:21:02,540
and
321
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:04,459
it's wild.
322
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:06,650
It's really wild.
323
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:08,699
Really?
324
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,219
Yeah. Really? What is really,
325
00:21:14,910 --> 00:21:15,949
well, has it
326
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:17,300
really
327
00:21:17,489 --> 00:21:18,500
affected you?
328
00:21:19,829 --> 00:21:19,839
I
329
00:21:20,150 --> 00:21:21,569
mean, sexually
330
00:21:26,530 --> 00:21:27,569
you want to find out,
331
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,619
I guess,
332
00:21:32,849 --> 00:21:33,900
you guess?
333
00:21:37,810 --> 00:21:38,479
Yes,
334
00:21:39,209 --> 00:21:41,719
I really missed
you. I really missed you.
335
00:21:42,239 --> 00:21:43,670
I know someone else. You really
336
00:21:43,790 --> 00:21:44,150
miss me.
337
00:21:45,290 --> 00:21:46,619
I really have,
338
00:21:52,489 --> 00:21:52,510
you
339
00:21:52,689 --> 00:21:52,760
know.
340
00:22:09,979 --> 00:22:10,510
Mm.
341
00:22:11,670 --> 00:22:12,719
I like your video.
342
00:22:14,469 --> 00:22:16,290
Did you like that? You should have,
343
00:22:17,209 --> 00:22:17,619
everybody
344
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:18,650
was making fun of me.
345
00:22:20,569 --> 00:22:20,959
Oh,
346
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:22,949
ok.
347
00:23:22,750 --> 00:23:22,790
Yeah.
348
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:25,479
Hm.
349
00:23:28,089 --> 00:23:28,329
Um,
350
00:23:29,459 --> 00:23:30,310
I miss you.
351
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:34,890
Uh,
352
00:23:37,310 --> 00:23:37,760
ah.
353
00:23:43,949 --> 00:23:44,430
Oh,
354
00:23:52,930 --> 00:23:53,099
go.
355
00:23:58,349 --> 00:23:58,650
No.
356
00:24:01,530 --> 00:24:01,790
Hm.
357
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:04,739
Hm.
358
00:24:06,239 --> 00:24:06,339
Oh,
359
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:06,550
yes.
360
00:24:07,810 --> 00:24:07,979
Oh.
361
00:24:08,900 --> 00:24:08,979
Ah.
362
00:24:11,829 --> 00:24:12,079
Hm.
363
00:24:15,209 --> 00:24:16,000
Oh, yeah.
364
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:17,189
Oh, yes.
365
00:24:19,239 --> 00:24:19,589
Oh,
366
00:24:23,890 --> 00:24:24,020
ok.
367
00:24:26,050 --> 00:24:26,400
Oh.
368
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,189
00.
369
00:24:34,189 --> 00:24:35,969
00,
370
00:24:37,140 --> 00:24:37,770
no, no.
371
00:24:44,579 --> 00:24:44,609
Ah.
372
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:46,339
Ah.
373
00:24:47,250 --> 00:24:47,729
Mm.
374
00:25:00,390 --> 00:25:00,619
Oh.
375
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:04,859
Ah.
376
00:25:06,020 --> 00:25:06,219
Oh.
377
00:25:08,849 --> 00:25:09,199
Ah.
378
00:25:11,729 --> 00:25:11,739
Uh,
379
00:25:21,439 --> 00:25:21,449
uh,
380
00:25:25,479 --> 00:25:25,959
oh, I
381
00:25:26,109 --> 00:25:26,250
can.
382
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:30,160
What's
383
00:25:30,329 --> 00:25:30,609
that?
384
00:25:32,790 --> 00:25:32,810
Yeah.
385
00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:35,619
Ok.
386
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:37,060
I make,
387
00:25:41,530 --> 00:25:41,550
ah,
388
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:52,839
uh,
389
00:26:00,650 --> 00:26:00,689
yeah.
390
00:26:01,939 --> 00:26:02,349
Mm.
391
00:26:11,189 --> 00:26:12,829
I missed you so much.
392
00:26:13,609 --> 00:26:13,979
First two
393
00:26:18,660 --> 00:26:21,349
they think in very specific images
394
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,260
of sex, free visual.
395
00:26:26,170 --> 00:26:28,199
Yeah, I'm treating a woman. Stephanie
396
00:26:28,829 --> 00:26:33,250
26 an exhibitionist. Wish you
get your two guys in her to go.
397
00:26:33,459 --> 00:26:34,910
Yeah. Joint research.
398
00:26:35,599 --> 00:26:38,449
Yeah, exactly. I'll tell
you what you pitched to Ken.
399
00:26:39,489 --> 00:26:42,750
Well, actually he's got a
lot riding on your project
400
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:49,060
and how it's, apparently the board
really slammed him for. Ok. In your study.
401
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:51,989
Yeah, I know. How's it going?
402
00:26:53,349 --> 00:26:53,500
Good.
403
00:26:54,839 --> 00:26:59,660
I'm beginning to think that voyeurism
is just an extension of what gets you off.
404
00:27:01,630 --> 00:27:04,949
Ok. I have this sometimes
boyfriend that I see immediately.
405
00:27:06,060 --> 00:27:06,420
Ok.
406
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:08,189
And,
407
00:27:09,099 --> 00:27:13,459
and when we make love he likes me
to wear like a tank top or t-shirt.
408
00:27:13,689 --> 00:27:14,380
So that,
409
00:27:15,719 --> 00:27:17,880
so that when we're making love,
410
00:27:17,890 --> 00:27:20,640
my breasts are hidden and then
eventually they're just revealed.
411
00:27:20,650 --> 00:27:20,729
So.
412
00:27:21,060 --> 00:27:21,369
Right.
413
00:27:22,150 --> 00:27:24,119
And that sort of thing
turns them on or I had this
414
00:27:24,130 --> 00:27:27,979
boyfriend in high school who
just had this thing for my butt,
415
00:27:27,989 --> 00:27:28,489
you know,
416
00:27:28,670 --> 00:27:29,060
and
417
00:27:29,380 --> 00:27:29,939
so
418
00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:33,890
I'm thinking that voyeurism is
just these guys' preference of how
419
00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:37,579
they like to experience sex.
Nothing more and nothing less.
420
00:27:40,020 --> 00:27:40,540
Mm.
421
00:27:41,410 --> 00:27:42,140
So
422
00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:44,619
thank you for coming.
423
00:27:45,469 --> 00:27:47,959
Um Tell me a little bit about yourself.
424
00:27:50,699 --> 00:27:51,699
My name is Steven.
425
00:27:53,540 --> 00:27:54,949
I'm a psychotherapist.
426
00:27:55,729 --> 00:27:55,750
I
427
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,170
have a very successful family practice.
428
00:28:00,010 --> 00:28:00,989
I'm married,
429
00:28:02,270 --> 00:28:04,069
my wife Judy is a patent attorney.
430
00:28:05,479 --> 00:28:07,329
I went to Golden
State University in Whittal
431
00:28:07,550 --> 00:28:08,729
for my grad studies.
432
00:28:12,050 --> 00:28:13,010
I run
433
00:28:13,660 --> 00:28:14,530
work out.
434
00:28:15,369 --> 00:28:16,609
I collect fine art.
435
00:28:17,959 --> 00:28:19,339
I enjoy antique pottery
436
00:28:20,020 --> 00:28:22,069
and I do work with the Special Olympics.
437
00:28:23,969 --> 00:28:24,520
Um
438
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:26,819
Why are you here?
439
00:28:28,589 --> 00:28:29,410
I'm here
440
00:28:30,739 --> 00:28:31,719
because I wanna
441
00:28:33,609 --> 00:28:38,089
have a better understanding of this
whole behavior I seem to be swept up in.
442
00:28:42,060 --> 00:28:42,880
I think
443
00:28:43,459 --> 00:28:46,859
my life could be a good
deal more relaxed. If I can,
444
00:28:50,449 --> 00:28:52,810
I, I don't know, I
control is the wrong word.
445
00:28:53,130 --> 00:28:56,449
But I guess just to have a better
understanding of why I'm doing what I'm doing.
446
00:28:58,500 --> 00:28:58,989
Mm.
447
00:29:02,989 --> 00:29:04,469
It seems to be
448
00:29:04,819 --> 00:29:06,910
coming between Judy and I,
449
00:29:08,250 --> 00:29:09,859
it's a real problem for us
450
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:12,449
for me.
451
00:29:15,630 --> 00:29:16,930
Tell me about
452
00:29:17,819 --> 00:29:18,729
your first experience.
453
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:31,130
It all started on a Friday night.
454
00:29:32,660 --> 00:29:34,250
My parents were out at the movie.
455
00:29:34,869 --> 00:29:38,089
My brother, Mark was
downstairs with his girlfriend.
456
00:29:49,339 --> 00:29:51,069
I've never seen that before.
457
00:29:55,020 --> 00:29:57,099
I mean, I knew I shouldn't be looking,
458
00:29:57,810 --> 00:29:59,189
but I couldn't help it. I couldn't
459
00:30:00,010 --> 00:30:01,349
take my eyes off of them.
460
00:30:13,910 --> 00:30:14,560
Love your son.
461
00:30:18,859 --> 00:30:19,719
I became
462
00:30:21,140 --> 00:30:22,479
very excited.
463
00:30:52,609 --> 00:30:55,349
It was a very strange feeling.
464
00:30:58,540 --> 00:30:59,520
They started
465
00:30:59,829 --> 00:31:01,079
having intercourse.
466
00:31:22,750 --> 00:31:24,449
I could see everything
467
00:31:27,729 --> 00:31:28,349
and then
468
00:31:30,969 --> 00:31:32,890
the most amazing thing happened,
469
00:31:38,550 --> 00:31:39,209
saw me.
470
00:31:47,219 --> 00:31:48,040
It was like
471
00:31:48,250 --> 00:31:51,719
she was making love to me at the
same time. Mark was making love to her.
472
00:32:01,739 --> 00:32:03,760
My brother dated her
for about another year
473
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,300
and were there no other incidents?
474
00:32:17,849 --> 00:32:18,810
Just one.
475
00:32:21,729 --> 00:32:22,630
It was one night
476
00:32:23,180 --> 00:32:24,189
my brother
477
00:32:25,290 --> 00:32:27,189
and Kay, we're sitting
at the dining room table.
478
00:32:29,099 --> 00:32:29,140
I
479
00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:30,520
was in the living room.
480
00:32:31,219 --> 00:32:32,319
Mark left.
481
00:32:36,859 --> 00:32:38,359
I'd seen that smile before.
482
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,760
I became very excited.
483
00:32:42,719 --> 00:32:43,819
Very excited.
484
00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:46,060
Mm
485
00:32:47,180 --> 00:32:50,250
Spread her legs so I
could see her panties
486
00:32:51,010 --> 00:32:52,239
and then she smiled again
487
00:32:54,750 --> 00:32:55,859
and she reached out and
488
00:32:56,770 --> 00:32:59,780
pulled her panties to the
side so I could see her vagina.
489
00:33:18,420 --> 00:33:19,630
That was the most
490
00:33:20,619 --> 00:33:21,800
amazing thing
491
00:33:23,099 --> 00:33:23,660
I'm
492
00:33:23,979 --> 00:33:24,510
to,
493
00:33:24,979 --> 00:33:26,140
to this day
494
00:33:27,199 --> 00:33:29,459
I can picture it exactly as it happened.
495
00:33:46,270 --> 00:33:47,209
I don't know
496
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,079
whether it was
497
00:33:49,439 --> 00:33:53,050
the fact that it was a taboo
because it was my brother's girlfriend. But
498
00:33:54,650 --> 00:33:56,790
it still gets me so excited.
499
00:34:08,060 --> 00:34:10,239
It's interesting how Stephen Kay,
500
00:34:10,610 --> 00:34:12,520
even though he's a psychotherapist
501
00:34:12,870 --> 00:34:15,760
seems to be blind when it
comes to his own behavior.
502
00:34:16,408 --> 00:34:19,638
I was particularly impressed
by the strength of his memories.
503
00:34:19,648 --> 00:34:21,947
He, he gets lost in them.
504
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:30,020
Voyeurism is this strictly visual.
Therefore, probably strictly male behavior.
505
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,639
It's a quote safe unquote
behavior because they don't
506
00:34:35,649 --> 00:34:37,958
have to commit to another person on any,
507
00:34:38,429 --> 00:34:40,129
on any meaningful level.
508
00:35:14,340 --> 00:35:16,439
I had the dream set up in college.
509
00:35:17,540 --> 00:35:22,050
Um, everyone there was pretty
cool. So I set up some bathroom cams
510
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,090
and I had three of them and I
put them in strategic locations.
511
00:35:26,909 --> 00:35:29,050
I think it was one of the
first ones ever done. Actually,
512
00:35:30,330 --> 00:35:32,570
I saw some incredible stuff I saw,
513
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,620
I saw this girl playing with herself
514
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:55,899
and it was beautiful.
515
00:37:06,620 --> 00:37:08,399
Why was that exciting to you?
516
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,280
Oh, I guess that's why I'm here. Right.
517
00:37:14,929 --> 00:37:17,040
And what other incidents
518
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:18,760
stand out for you?
519
00:37:20,179 --> 00:37:21,919
I was at this party once
520
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:23,530
and I, uh,
521
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:24,219
I,
522
00:37:25,629 --> 00:37:30,879
I showed this girl some tape that
I had shot for playing with herself.
523
00:37:30,889 --> 00:37:32,969
She was kind of a
freak because she liked it.
524
00:37:33,209 --> 00:37:34,080
So, uh,
525
00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:38,250
so I shot some of her sucking me off
526
00:37:41,919 --> 00:37:42,550
and
527
00:37:43,629 --> 00:37:46,419
what was it like
looking at yourself on tape?
528
00:37:49,649 --> 00:37:52,790
I don't know. I mean, I didn't
really think of it that way. It wasn't, uh,
529
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:56,340
you know, it actually wasn't,
530
00:37:57,229 --> 00:37:59,520
it didn't quite work
for me and she knew she
531
00:37:59,530 --> 00:38:01,580
was being taped and it
fucked up the whole thing.
532
00:38:01,590 --> 00:38:02,209
So, uh,
533
00:38:03,419 --> 00:38:05,280
I told her that the
cameras were busted and I
534
00:38:05,290 --> 00:38:07,340
end up getting the
all time best tape anyhow.
535
00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:45,629
It was incredible.
536
00:38:54,610 --> 00:38:55,580
Left them behind
537
00:39:05,919 --> 00:39:05,959
down.
538
00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:09,909
Yeah.
539
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:33,229
You must have done it,
like, 10 different ways.
540
00:39:34,250 --> 00:39:34,739
Hm.
541
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:37,439
They refer to that
tape as a decathlon tape
542
00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:39,489
house
543
00:39:47,729 --> 00:39:47,909
like
544
00:39:48,810 --> 00:39:49,060
I was.
545
00:39:55,590 --> 00:39:55,979
Yeah.
546
00:39:56,879 --> 00:39:56,989
Mhm.
547
00:40:16,330 --> 00:40:16,399
Mhm.
548
00:40:42,439 --> 00:40:42,929
Uh, how
549
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,659
my last girlfriend, Della and I
550
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,479
tried to incorporate my
voyeurism into the relationship,
551
00:42:52,489 --> 00:42:55,229
but it was less than satisfactory.
552
00:42:56,070 --> 00:42:56,750
Meaning
553
00:42:59,300 --> 00:43:00,280
got out of hand.
554
00:43:01,330 --> 00:43:02,600
I lost control.
555
00:43:03,939 --> 00:43:05,679
Not that I was ever in control.
556
00:43:07,590 --> 00:43:08,810
What happened, Stephen,
557
00:43:13,850 --> 00:43:15,459
I became obsessed
558
00:43:15,770 --> 00:43:16,909
with the idea
559
00:43:20,649 --> 00:43:23,110
of watching Della
show herself off in public.
560
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:29,489
I took her to this nudie bar, you
know, the kind with amateur nights
561
00:43:30,010 --> 00:43:33,310
and at my urging, she
entered the Wet T Shirt contest.
562
00:43:46,699 --> 00:43:52,760
It's extremely exciting for
me seeing other men watching her.
563
00:43:55,959 --> 00:43:57,199
She kept looking at me.
564
00:43:58,879 --> 00:44:02,229
That's crazy. I, I gave her
the thumbs up and she went nuts.
565
00:44:05,090 --> 00:44:08,340
She took off her T shirt
and exposed her breasts for,
566
00:44:23,590 --> 00:44:24,429
I became
567
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:27,780
terribly excited.
568
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:32,860
I began touching myself.
569
00:44:34,709 --> 00:44:37,850
Della saw that and she started
touching her tits and her breasts.
570
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:41,649
I thought they were going
to pull her off the stage.
571
00:44:50,649 --> 00:44:52,040
So she removed her pants and
572
00:44:57,310 --> 00:44:58,209
telling you about it.
573
00:44:59,580 --> 00:45:01,370
It makes me a little uncomfortable. But
574
00:45:02,110 --> 00:45:03,310
being there
575
00:45:03,629 --> 00:45:06,469
seeing it doing it, taking part of it,
576
00:45:06,919 --> 00:45:09,010
the high, the adrenaline rush,
577
00:45:09,290 --> 00:45:10,330
it was
578
00:45:11,219 --> 00:45:12,159
the best,
579
00:45:14,959 --> 00:45:15,770
the best.
580
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:20,969
How,
581
00:45:22,020 --> 00:45:23,570
how did that incident end?
582
00:45:25,709 --> 00:45:30,159
She masturbated herself on
stage and we had simultaneous orgasms.
583
00:45:33,169 --> 00:45:34,830
Everything was fine for a while.
584
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:36,989
Then
585
00:45:38,850 --> 00:45:40,659
I really don't know
how to describe it, but
586
00:45:42,229 --> 00:45:45,929
it sort of builds up inside of me
to have to do something, something
587
00:45:46,270 --> 00:45:47,250
with an edge.
588
00:45:47,620 --> 00:45:49,010
It's like taking a drug
589
00:45:50,139 --> 00:45:51,570
in any event. I
590
00:45:52,129 --> 00:45:53,239
I asked Della
591
00:45:54,500 --> 00:45:56,760
to have sex with
another man while I watched
592
00:46:00,350 --> 00:46:02,050
and Della did this willingly.
593
00:46:02,820 --> 00:46:03,639
Totally.
594
00:46:07,879 --> 00:46:09,129
And how did it work?
595
00:46:11,810 --> 00:46:14,229
I got two motel rooms
right next to each other and
596
00:46:14,429 --> 00:46:18,189
I set up a tiny video rig between the
two rooms. Look, we talked about this.
597
00:46:18,199 --> 00:46:19,409
Everything is gonna be fun.
598
00:46:19,919 --> 00:46:21,310
This is for me, baby.
599
00:46:22,050 --> 00:46:25,010
Ok, I got the camera right
here. He's not gonna see anything.
600
00:46:25,129 --> 00:46:26,909
You just act normal. Ok,
601
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,600
fella got dressed up very provocatively
and went down to the bar in the hotel room.
602
00:46:32,610 --> 00:46:33,560
Thank you, baby.
603
00:46:34,370 --> 00:46:35,060
Ok. You ready?
604
00:46:35,929 --> 00:46:36,969
All right, let's do it.
605
00:46:39,629 --> 00:46:41,889
Half an hour later. She
came back with this guy.
606
00:46:42,409 --> 00:46:44,469
I'm just here overnight on business.
607
00:46:45,090 --> 00:46:47,320
Damn, you're some fine looking
woman. You know that don't you.
608
00:46:47,870 --> 00:46:51,399
And you are one hunk of a mess.
That's why I invited you up here
609
00:46:51,850 --> 00:46:53,459
because you look like the type of guy
610
00:46:53,729 --> 00:46:55,270
who could fuck my lights out. Oh
611
00:46:55,610 --> 00:46:56,500
shit.
612
00:46:57,790 --> 00:46:58,689
I want you
613
00:46:59,500 --> 00:47:02,389
to take my dress off. No problem.
614
00:47:06,010 --> 00:47:06,030
Oh
615
00:47:07,179 --> 00:47:08,580
I can't believe this is happening.
616
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:10,300
Hm.
617
00:47:11,679 --> 00:47:14,389
You know what I want you to put this on?
618
00:47:15,090 --> 00:47:18,250
Oh, man, I hate those
things here in my background.
619
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:19,570
I want to suck you off.
620
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,620
Come on, I want you to go down on me.
621
00:47:21,899 --> 00:47:21,919
Yeah.
622
00:47:22,620 --> 00:47:23,449
Take your rats off.
623
00:47:30,250 --> 00:47:32,540
00, yeah.
624
00:47:36,129 --> 00:47:36,649
Yeah.
625
00:47:37,959 --> 00:47:38,469
Hm.
626
00:47:39,540 --> 00:47:39,830
Uh
627
00:47:42,310 --> 00:47:42,649
oh.
628
00:47:44,860 --> 00:47:46,020
Oh, that's excellent.
629
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:47,909
Perfect.
630
00:47:48,070 --> 00:47:48,290
Oh.
631
00:47:50,530 --> 00:47:50,870
Oh,
632
00:47:53,399 --> 00:47:54,770
damn. I wanna fuck you up.
633
00:48:04,189 --> 00:48:04,580
Uh
634
00:48:05,949 --> 00:48:06,129
oh,
635
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:07,239
I
636
00:48:07,889 --> 00:48:07,939
uh
637
00:48:14,219 --> 00:48:14,489
quite.
638
00:48:17,689 --> 00:48:18,010
Oh yeah.
639
00:48:22,530 --> 00:48:23,030
00
640
00:48:27,260 --> 00:48:27,409
oh
641
00:48:33,260 --> 00:48:33,729
oh
642
00:48:35,159 --> 00:48:35,350
o
643
00:48:48,060 --> 00:48:48,090
OK.
644
00:48:58,520 --> 00:48:58,659
Oh,
645
00:49:05,489 --> 00:49:05,679
you
646
00:49:05,889 --> 00:49:06,060
lost.
647
00:49:13,070 --> 00:49:13,090
Yeah.
648
00:49:20,830 --> 00:49:21,050
00
649
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:27,530
huh.
650
00:49:33,419 --> 00:49:34,370
That was amazing.
651
00:49:36,229 --> 00:49:36,989
It was great.
652
00:49:38,429 --> 00:49:39,629
What did you say your name was?
653
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:42,909
Do
654
00:49:49,179 --> 00:49:49,939
I gotta get going
655
00:50:04,110 --> 00:50:06,679
afterwards after the guy
left? I went into the room.
656
00:50:08,429 --> 00:50:09,060
Ba
657
00:50:10,250 --> 00:50:11,850
That was incredible.
658
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:14,149
I came so hard.
659
00:50:17,459 --> 00:50:18,280
What's wrong?
660
00:50:20,770 --> 00:50:20,830
That
661
00:50:30,149 --> 00:50:30,270
nice.
662
00:50:31,820 --> 00:50:32,129
We
663
00:50:34,449 --> 00:50:36,510
truly ever recovered from that.
664
00:50:38,949 --> 00:50:41,060
I thought it was going
to be OK. But it wasn't,
665
00:50:44,659 --> 00:50:47,530
I've come to think
about my behavior as being
666
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:50,000
objective
667
00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:56,219
because I say I'm going to do one
thing and then I end up doing another.
668
00:50:58,739 --> 00:50:58,760
I
669
00:50:58,899 --> 00:51:01,830
just feel like I've, I've lost control.
670
00:51:05,129 --> 00:51:08,629
I just wanted to say that I
really appreciate the opportunity
671
00:51:08,639 --> 00:51:11,179
to come down here and
talk about this part of my life
672
00:51:11,929 --> 00:51:15,840
when she, um the researcher
called me at first I said no,
673
00:51:16,550 --> 00:51:19,770
but then looking back on all that,
674
00:51:22,350 --> 00:51:24,889
I just thought if I came
down here and talked about it that
675
00:51:26,570 --> 00:51:28,030
I might be able to let it go,
676
00:51:28,820 --> 00:51:30,429
I think looking back on it now,
677
00:51:30,439 --> 00:51:34,250
which is a hell of a lot easier than
trying to gain perspective in the middle of it.
678
00:51:36,969 --> 00:51:38,590
I lost my self respect.
679
00:51:40,260 --> 00:51:43,159
I did things that I
didn't think were right for me,
680
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,189
desperate things to
keep me and Stephen together
681
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,120
and you didn't enjoy it.
682
00:51:52,989 --> 00:51:54,340
I wouldn't say that
683
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,379
it almost gave me permission to do
things that I wouldn't have normally done.
684
00:52:02,979 --> 00:52:04,399
I think about those days.
685
00:52:09,689 --> 00:52:10,750
Is this gonna work?
686
00:52:11,979 --> 00:52:14,870
Yeah. You know what's interesting is um
687
00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:17,399
I found that two out of the three men
688
00:52:17,889 --> 00:52:18,830
felt that
689
00:52:19,250 --> 00:52:21,280
no matter how much sexual gratification
690
00:52:21,290 --> 00:52:23,669
they got from their
voyeuristic experiences
691
00:52:23,830 --> 00:52:27,199
that voyeurism still had this
oppressive hold on their lives
692
00:52:27,409 --> 00:52:30,169
and they felt in the grips of
it. You know, they felt victims of it
693
00:52:30,770 --> 00:52:32,760
and so did the people
in their relationships.
694
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,659
Well, maybe it's just those two guys.
695
00:52:36,510 --> 00:52:37,919
Well, that's my universe.
696
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:43,810
My working theory is that the
sexual visual procreation genes were
697
00:52:43,820 --> 00:52:46,860
necessary for man's
survival and not so much for women's.
698
00:52:46,919 --> 00:52:49,719
And that's why voyeurism
didn't develop so much in women.
699
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,469
It's a little far reaching
for clinical observation, isn't
700
00:52:54,629 --> 00:52:54,649
it?
701
00:52:56,159 --> 00:52:58,810
Of course. But, you know,
I can't help but go there.
702
00:52:59,159 --> 00:53:00,629
I'm open to anything.
703
00:53:03,219 --> 00:53:05,250
You never seem to set anything in stone.
704
00:53:05,969 --> 00:53:06,649
I like that.
705
00:53:07,389 --> 00:53:07,399
I
706
00:53:07,659 --> 00:53:08,689
like your process.
707
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:09,489
Thanks.
708
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:15,139
You know, I'm pretty much not into
talking about the voyeurism thing all night.
709
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,600
Hey, Michael. So we can talk
about whatever rock star all night long.
710
00:53:21,610 --> 00:53:23,260
But I talk about my work and
711
00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:25,020
you freak out,
712
00:53:29,169 --> 00:53:30,520
you want to know if I'm a voyeur.
713
00:53:31,639 --> 00:53:32,459
I'm not
714
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:33,899
ok.
715
00:53:34,300 --> 00:53:37,610
I mean, I look at girls, ok,
guys, look at girls. That's the deal.
716
00:53:39,379 --> 00:53:39,969
Uh, I
717
00:53:40,429 --> 00:53:42,520
just want a normal date, you know,
718
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,159
a nice dinner, some casual sex
719
00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:46,560
on occasion,
720
00:53:48,030 --> 00:53:48,719
you know,
721
00:53:50,709 --> 00:53:54,550
but until you're done with this project,
I think I'm shit out of luck. You know what?
722
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,209
I am starting a new
project at a new job. You
723
00:53:57,689 --> 00:53:59,689
think I'm under a
little bit of pressure, maybe?
724
00:54:04,989 --> 00:54:05,770
Sorry,
725
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:07,620
I'm sorry.
726
00:54:12,850 --> 00:54:15,760
Can you just give me
some time, Michael, please?
727
00:54:16,810 --> 00:54:17,270
Yeah,
728
00:54:19,949 --> 00:54:21,260
I think I'm just getting a
729
00:54:21,389 --> 00:54:22,379
little
730
00:54:22,860 --> 00:54:24,149
sketched about
731
00:54:25,379 --> 00:54:28,360
you dealing with
guys sex problems all day.
732
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:30,840
It's part of my job.
733
00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:34,320
I know and I know that
you're totally cool about
734
00:54:34,439 --> 00:54:34,459
it,
735
00:54:36,709 --> 00:54:37,389
but still,
736
00:54:38,989 --> 00:54:40,330
what would you like me to do?
737
00:54:44,469 --> 00:54:45,370
It's not you,
738
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,020
it's me.
739
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:51,270
Ok.
740
00:54:57,850 --> 00:54:58,860
I just think
741
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:00,389
that the best thing
742
00:55:00,770 --> 00:55:04,300
for the both of us is to just
give each other a little space.
743
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:09,770
What you need to do
744
00:55:10,129 --> 00:55:11,689
right now is this study
745
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,399
without me being all over you?
746
00:55:13,550 --> 00:55:16,290
You know what this is? Just,
we're just going through something just
747
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:27,620
I love you.
748
00:55:29,790 --> 00:55:30,820
I love you.
749
00:55:42,030 --> 00:55:42,649
I'll call you.
750
00:56:06,919 --> 00:56:09,419
I just, I feel so unprofessional.
751
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,719
There's no reason to
be so hard on yourself.
752
00:56:12,139 --> 00:56:14,139
I know. It's just, it's affecting my,
753
00:56:14,689 --> 00:56:16,350
everything, it's affecting
754
00:56:16,659 --> 00:56:21,770
everything. Iii I think about sex.
I, I've driven Michael completely away.
755
00:56:21,780 --> 00:56:23,419
I just, I feel obsessed and
756
00:56:24,570 --> 00:56:26,159
why are you being so tough on yourself.
757
00:56:27,580 --> 00:56:28,550
I'm changing.
758
00:56:29,409 --> 00:56:30,399
No, I actually,
759
00:56:31,020 --> 00:56:32,040
I'm learning
760
00:56:32,179 --> 00:56:37,040
about myself. I'm discovering new parts
of myself and experiencing new things and
761
00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:38,860
Michael's treading water
762
00:56:39,229 --> 00:56:42,239
and you don't want to bring him
down where you can't breathe. Right.
763
00:56:43,129 --> 00:56:43,649
Right.
764
00:56:43,979 --> 00:56:45,500
Does this work affect you?
765
00:56:46,030 --> 00:56:47,590
Yeah. How can it not? I mean,
766
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:48,570
God,
767
00:56:48,770 --> 00:56:50,889
but it's, it's a
matter of finding a balance,
768
00:56:50,899 --> 00:56:53,159
like having an outlet or other interests
769
00:56:54,169 --> 00:56:55,760
and we should continue talking
770
00:56:56,050 --> 00:56:57,139
to the movies
771
00:56:57,580 --> 00:56:59,520
and we should make a
point of it. Huh? Ok.
772
00:57:03,310 --> 00:57:04,219
Thank you.
773
00:57:04,350 --> 00:57:07,909
Next time I get this way, just
hose me off. Send me on my way.
774
00:57:07,919 --> 00:57:10,429
Ok, you're doing all
right, kid, you're doing great.
775
00:57:11,500 --> 00:57:15,370
Last time we talked, I asked you to try
to bring some intimacy into your voyeurism.
776
00:57:15,379 --> 00:57:17,139
Some humanity. What
did you come up with?
777
00:57:21,580 --> 00:57:21,600
I
778
00:57:21,810 --> 00:57:22,929
hired an escort
779
00:57:23,169 --> 00:57:24,179
call, girl,
780
00:57:25,219 --> 00:57:26,300
whatever you wanna call.
781
00:57:30,030 --> 00:57:30,669
Go on.
782
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,169
I took a hotel room
783
00:57:44,649 --> 00:57:45,050
conor,
784
00:57:48,989 --> 00:57:51,379
I'd like to see the money. Oh, sure.
785
00:57:51,659 --> 00:57:52,239
Sure.
786
00:58:06,199 --> 00:58:07,770
No, no. Um,
787
00:58:08,050 --> 00:58:09,250
I just want you to stand here
788
00:58:09,929 --> 00:58:10,449
right here
789
00:58:11,439 --> 00:58:14,209
and I want you to take
your clothes off slowly
790
00:58:14,399 --> 00:58:15,350
because I have a camera over
791
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:15,669
here.
792
00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:16,739
Oh,
793
00:58:16,899 --> 00:58:20,479
well, you didn't pay me enough
money to take. No, no, no, no, no, no. I,
794
00:58:20,580 --> 00:58:22,939
I don't have any film in it.
795
00:58:24,530 --> 00:58:25,750
You just want me to stand here.
796
00:58:27,739 --> 00:58:29,149
Take off your clothes
797
00:58:29,879 --> 00:58:30,620
slowly,
798
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:34,459
slowly, slowly,
799
00:58:40,409 --> 00:58:41,449
nice and slow.
800
00:58:46,199 --> 00:58:47,429
So you like tits.
801
00:58:49,860 --> 00:58:50,520
Yep.
802
00:58:51,739 --> 00:58:53,080
Do you want to stack on them?
803
00:58:53,820 --> 00:58:54,320
No.
804
00:58:58,330 --> 00:58:59,820
Do you like asses?
805
00:59:03,219 --> 00:59:04,000
Uh huh.
806
00:59:06,889 --> 00:59:07,590
Wow.
807
00:59:11,679 --> 00:59:13,100
Why don't you come over here?
808
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,100
I don't think you should worry about me.
809
00:59:25,729 --> 00:59:25,780
Yeah.
810
00:59:31,699 --> 00:59:33,860
Tell me to keep taking my
clothes off. Don't touch me.
811
00:59:36,020 --> 00:59:36,870
Get back then.
812
00:59:38,750 --> 00:59:40,209
So you just like to watch,
813
00:59:41,439 --> 00:59:42,129
uh. Yeah.
814
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:48,919
Hm.
815
01:00:00,959 --> 01:00:02,979
Do you like to watch me play with toys?
816
01:00:04,209 --> 01:00:04,830
Sure.
817
01:00:07,909 --> 01:00:09,010
Take your top off
818
01:00:10,110 --> 01:00:11,520
all the way. Yes.
819
01:00:17,959 --> 01:00:19,120
Is this turning you on?
820
01:00:47,379 --> 01:00:48,500
Just take your panties off?
821
01:00:58,520 --> 01:00:58,659
That it.
822
01:01:00,370 --> 01:01:00,379
I
823
01:01:00,590 --> 01:01:00,629
used
824
01:01:00,739 --> 01:01:00,790
to, uh,
825
01:01:10,770 --> 01:01:12,310
do you just want to see my pussy?
826
01:01:13,159 --> 01:01:13,169
I
827
01:01:13,340 --> 01:01:13,530
see.
828
01:01:20,149 --> 01:01:20,159
Uh,
829
01:01:26,270 --> 01:01:27,929
why don't you play with yourself?
830
01:01:30,909 --> 01:01:31,719
I'm ok.
831
01:01:42,949 --> 01:01:44,719
You're making me really hot.
832
01:01:53,949 --> 01:01:54,919
Oh, yeah.
833
01:01:57,669 --> 01:01:58,929
Do you want me to come for you?
834
01:02:00,010 --> 01:02:00,669
Mhm.
835
01:02:25,830 --> 01:02:28,040
Are you sure you don't
want me to suck you off?
836
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:34,979
Don't worry about me.
837
01:02:41,709 --> 01:02:41,830
Uh,
838
01:02:46,399 --> 01:02:47,149
uh, hm.
839
01:02:48,659 --> 01:02:49,469
Oh, yeah.
840
01:02:52,489 --> 01:02:54,219
00, yeah.
841
01:02:58,850 --> 01:02:58,879
Uh,
842
01:03:03,219 --> 01:03:03,590
uh,
843
01:03:05,020 --> 01:03:05,120
uh,
844
01:03:06,409 --> 01:03:06,530
uh,
845
01:03:08,929 --> 01:03:09,040
uh,
846
01:03:10,540 --> 01:03:10,639
uh,
847
01:03:13,489 --> 01:03:13,989
uh,
848
01:03:25,550 --> 01:03:27,280
where are you, uh, where are you going?
849
01:03:28,030 --> 01:03:30,260
Well, isn't that what you
wanted? Take pictures of me
850
01:03:32,419 --> 01:03:33,790
paid for 45 minutes?
851
01:03:34,879 --> 01:03:37,300
Yeah. But you said you just
wanted to take pictures, right?
852
01:03:41,370 --> 01:03:41,870
Yeah.
853
01:03:43,989 --> 01:03:44,530
Is you right?
854
01:03:48,989 --> 01:03:50,080
Aren't you happy?
855
01:03:52,239 --> 01:03:52,689
Yeah.
856
01:04:03,669 --> 01:04:04,969
No, no, no, no, don't
857
01:04:05,139 --> 01:04:05,459
touch.
858
01:04:06,489 --> 01:04:06,909
Ok,
859
01:04:08,399 --> 01:04:10,219
thank you. That was, that was great.
860
01:04:11,770 --> 01:04:12,949
Thanks, baby.
861
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:16,300
Thank you.
862
01:04:18,939 --> 01:04:20,909
So, what was it like
when she touched you?
863
01:04:22,500 --> 01:04:22,510
I,
864
01:04:22,659 --> 01:04:23,110
I
865
01:04:23,530 --> 01:04:26,360
didn't see her because I was
looking through the, the camera.
866
01:04:26,530 --> 01:04:28,060
So when she touched me, I was
867
01:04:28,439 --> 01:04:30,870
completely surprised because it's,
868
01:04:31,179 --> 01:04:33,179
it's not about
that, you know, it's about
869
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:35,600
watching and, and, um,
870
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,310
getting off afterwards,
871
01:04:38,459 --> 01:04:40,120
not remembering what it looked like
872
01:04:40,679 --> 01:04:42,439
and bringing up all the little details.
873
01:04:43,209 --> 01:04:44,020
So her
874
01:04:44,270 --> 01:04:45,899
touching me made it something else.
875
01:04:48,010 --> 01:04:52,939
And so did the
reality of your experience,
876
01:04:54,389 --> 01:04:57,250
did it live up to your expectations?
877
01:04:59,090 --> 01:04:59,739
Oh, yeah.
878
01:05:00,909 --> 01:05:02,199
Yeah, it was, uh
879
01:05:02,409 --> 01:05:05,560
it was expensive. But hey, we're here
for a short trip. You know what I'm saying?
880
01:05:06,909 --> 01:05:07,659
So
881
01:05:07,860 --> 01:05:11,830
did it not matter to you
that what you were looking at was
882
01:05:12,719 --> 01:05:16,280
set up that they were
bought images that it wasn't real
883
01:05:18,370 --> 01:05:19,000
for real.
884
01:05:20,050 --> 01:05:20,850
Well, that,
885
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,639
that they were staged, that
886
01:05:24,459 --> 01:05:25,699
they weren't reality.
887
01:05:29,409 --> 01:05:30,350
It was real enough.
888
01:05:31,899 --> 01:05:36,239
Hopefully you can use their voyeur
skills and apply them to their therapy
889
01:05:36,429 --> 01:05:42,120
skills, skills, patterns,
behaviors, call them what you want,
890
01:05:42,129 --> 01:05:46,399
but use them as a tool to bridge
the emotional blocks they're having
891
01:05:46,409 --> 01:05:50,750
with trying to have a quote unquote
normal sex life with their partners.
892
01:05:51,919 --> 01:05:52,469
Lisa.
893
01:05:57,399 --> 01:05:59,300
Hi. How's it going?
894
01:05:59,479 --> 01:06:02,280
It's going so good. This
is so fascinating, you know,
895
01:06:03,770 --> 01:06:05,840
good. Well, if you need anything,
896
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:07,959
anything I can do to
help you? Let me know. Ok.
897
01:06:08,510 --> 01:06:08,979
Thank you.
898
01:06:14,570 --> 01:06:16,389
I'm a little nervous being here.
899
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,530
I know that this is
gonna be good for us.
900
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:22,639
What we're hoping to do is Red,
901
01:06:22,689 --> 01:06:25,820
divert Stephen's sexual energy
into his relationship with you.
902
01:06:26,699 --> 01:06:27,620
Sounds right.
903
01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:29,679
So what I'm going to want the two of you
904
01:06:29,689 --> 01:06:32,370
to do is I'm gonna want
you to use some strategies
905
01:06:32,590 --> 01:06:34,159
that will enable this process.
906
01:06:34,899 --> 01:06:37,300
The part I'm not sure
I'm comfortable with is
907
01:06:38,189 --> 01:06:40,500
doing with the cameras,
908
01:06:41,679 --> 01:06:45,989
right? I understand. Well, we do
that purely for clinical purposes.
909
01:06:46,129 --> 01:06:48,290
There will be no way
anyone can identify you
910
01:06:48,739 --> 01:06:51,820
and no one will be watching. We
simply turn on the camera and leave. OK.
911
01:06:53,979 --> 01:06:57,879
In addition, we use video fuzz blocks
so that all identities will be kept hidden
912
01:06:58,459 --> 01:07:00,810
and we do that right here in house so
913
01:07:01,050 --> 01:07:03,290
you can be assured there
will be no gap in security.
914
01:07:03,899 --> 01:07:04,449
Ok?
915
01:07:04,780 --> 01:07:07,979
Thank you. You're welcome. It
makes me feel a little better.
916
01:07:08,810 --> 01:07:08,820
Uh
917
01:07:09,189 --> 01:07:11,979
Lisa and I have also
spoken with Steven about some
918
01:07:12,199 --> 01:07:13,989
techniques that might be helpful
919
01:07:14,139 --> 01:07:17,350
and I thought that maybe
it'd be best if you just be
920
01:07:17,500 --> 01:07:18,719
spontaneous.
921
01:07:19,159 --> 01:07:19,709
Ok?
922
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:22,459
Alright.
923
01:07:23,399 --> 01:07:24,189
So um
924
01:07:28,639 --> 01:07:29,340
ok baby
925
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:34,489
go ahead.
926
01:08:01,209 --> 01:08:02,189
Hey baby
927
01:08:03,090 --> 01:08:04,550
why don't you stand by the bed?
928
01:08:05,929 --> 01:08:06,739
Exciting.
929
01:08:08,580 --> 01:08:09,820
It's so beautiful.
930
01:08:11,429 --> 01:08:13,219
I'd love it if you
take your clothes off.
931
01:08:13,959 --> 01:08:14,500
Ok?
932
01:08:21,819 --> 01:08:21,839
I
933
01:08:21,950 --> 01:08:23,189
love watching you
934
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,180
baby. You got a beautiful ass.
935
01:08:53,919 --> 01:08:53,930
I
936
01:08:54,140 --> 01:08:56,220
want you to take your
panties off for me now
937
01:08:58,448 --> 01:08:59,479
we are slow.
938
01:09:34,679 --> 01:09:35,229
There are couple.
939
01:09:41,470 --> 01:09:41,939
Oh
940
01:09:46,649 --> 01:09:47,259
can
941
01:09:48,299 --> 01:09:49,899
I'm gonna look in the mirror angel.
942
01:09:50,618 --> 01:09:51,438
Ok.
943
01:09:57,649 --> 01:09:58,509
Oh yeah,
944
01:10:00,009 --> 01:10:01,069
that's so good baby.
945
01:10:09,450 --> 01:10:09,810
Oh
946
01:10:10,509 --> 01:10:11,439
God.
947
01:10:12,390 --> 01:10:13,089
Oh God.
948
01:10:15,299 --> 01:10:16,669
Oh you're so beautiful.
949
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:18,290
Oh yeah.
950
01:10:21,759 --> 01:10:21,770
Oh
951
01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:26,200
am I doing it? Ok.
952
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:27,490
You're doing great.
953
01:12:01,529 --> 01:12:01,589
The
954
01:12:50,250 --> 01:12:50,520
ok.
955
01:12:52,009 --> 01:12:52,020
I
956
01:12:52,290 --> 01:12:52,379
for
957
01:12:55,450 --> 01:12:56,870
no I think it's good. I think everything
958
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:58,029
is gonna work out. Really
959
01:12:58,939 --> 01:12:59,649
hold on snap.
960
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:03,009
Um
961
01:13:03,250 --> 01:13:04,890
we'll call you back in about 15 minutes
962
01:13:05,549 --> 01:13:07,390
in about an hour. Let me call you
963
01:13:07,569 --> 01:13:07,970
ladies
964
01:13:21,930 --> 01:13:22,140
you
965
01:15:28,490 --> 01:15:30,839
oh God, I'm sorry.
966
01:15:31,660 --> 01:15:32,040
Oh.
967
01:15:33,839 --> 01:15:35,459
Oh God Lisa.
968
01:15:40,270 --> 01:15:40,609
Right.
969
01:15:42,390 --> 01:15:43,540
That was fantastic.
970
01:15:45,669 --> 01:15:46,439
I'm sure.
971
01:15:50,669 --> 01:15:52,330
Let's pretend it never happened.
972
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:54,040
You know. That's a very good idea.
973
01:16:18,979 --> 01:16:19,009
Ok.
974
01:16:43,250 --> 01:16:44,959
How are you going to, um,
975
01:16:45,709 --> 01:16:47,410
how are you gonna look back on all this,
976
01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:49,009
on this experience?
977
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:51,890
Well,
978
01:16:53,259 --> 01:16:55,350
look, I live my life as a voyeur.
979
01:16:55,790 --> 01:16:57,560
Ok. I always have,
980
01:16:57,979 --> 01:16:59,240
I always just done it
981
01:17:00,279 --> 01:17:03,209
but I don't often get a chance
to speak with someone intelligent,
982
01:17:03,220 --> 01:17:04,370
like yourself about it.
983
01:17:05,540 --> 01:17:08,600
And I'm very grateful to you
for that. It's been very helpful.
984
01:17:09,870 --> 01:17:10,720
Thank you.
985
01:17:14,580 --> 01:17:16,430
And, and your future,
986
01:17:18,060 --> 01:17:19,930
my future. Well, I'm going for it.
987
01:17:20,580 --> 01:17:21,129
You know,
988
01:17:21,509 --> 01:17:26,310
I'm an escrow in this uh small
apartment building. It's got 15 units
989
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:30,959
and completely outfitted with
optical fiber surveillance cameras.
990
01:17:32,569 --> 01:17:35,870
Look, nobody's getting hurt.
Ok. It's for my benefit alone.
991
01:17:36,279 --> 01:17:40,069
There's no harm, there's no foul.
Well, besides the fact that it's illegal,
992
01:17:41,490 --> 01:17:42,700
I have to ask you why
993
01:17:44,700 --> 01:17:49,029
because I've come to realize that
my life as a voyeur makes me happy.
994
01:17:50,100 --> 01:17:55,000
So you're just gonna manage these
apartments for your life and the rest of your life.
995
01:17:57,669 --> 01:17:59,049
Look, uh,
996
01:18:00,790 --> 01:18:04,729
I'm gonna be the guy who
decides who stays and who goes. Ok.
997
01:18:05,209 --> 01:18:08,250
I mean, I could have college
girls in one apartment building.
998
01:18:08,259 --> 01:18:09,890
I could have lesbians in another.
999
01:18:11,470 --> 01:18:13,890
You know, I'm gonna
have some real variety here.
1000
01:18:16,270 --> 01:18:18,680
I mean, come on. I
mean, I'm set for life.
1001
01:18:21,649 --> 01:18:21,959
So like,
1002
01:18:22,669 --> 01:18:23,029
yeah,
1003
01:18:24,060 --> 01:18:25,979
well, who's getting hurt?
1004
01:18:26,919 --> 01:18:27,990
Who's getting hurt?
1005
01:18:29,290 --> 01:18:29,640
No,
1006
01:18:30,939 --> 01:18:33,500
I'm not hurting. Anybody.
I'm, you know, I'm just uh
1007
01:18:35,910 --> 01:18:37,680
just having a little bit of uh
1008
01:18:39,459 --> 01:18:40,479
you know what I'm doing,
1009
01:18:41,779 --> 01:18:44,279
I'm giving blood to my fantasies.
1010
01:18:46,370 --> 01:18:47,899
There's nothing wrong with that, right?
1011
01:18:53,459 --> 01:18:54,319
It was great.
1012
01:18:56,930 --> 01:18:58,790
The use of those visual techniques,
1013
01:19:01,229 --> 01:19:02,770
the distance between us
1014
01:19:04,379 --> 01:19:06,310
framing the image as much as
1015
01:19:06,509 --> 01:19:07,560
the reality,
1016
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:09,120
the mirrors
1017
01:19:09,810 --> 01:19:11,209
playing to the image.
1018
01:19:12,660 --> 01:19:13,939
They worked really great.
1019
01:19:15,500 --> 01:19:16,669
But three months from now
1020
01:19:18,529 --> 01:19:18,770
when
1021
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,419
Judy and I are both
very busy, will it be enough?
1022
01:19:22,379 --> 01:19:23,200
I don't know.
1023
01:19:25,770 --> 01:19:27,629
You know, with voyeurism, it's enough.
1024
01:19:28,549 --> 01:19:29,689
It's only me.
1025
01:19:29,959 --> 01:19:31,129
And each time
1026
01:19:32,899 --> 01:19:34,189
I'm satisfied,
1027
01:19:36,750 --> 01:19:37,810
am I willing
1028
01:19:37,959 --> 01:19:39,819
to put the energy into duty
1029
01:19:40,209 --> 01:19:42,120
that I put into being a voyeur?
1030
01:19:44,020 --> 01:19:45,160
It's your choice.
1031
01:19:46,729 --> 01:19:48,160
Spells it out, doesn't?
1032
01:19:48,430 --> 01:19:48,450
It?
1033
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:50,459
It sure does.
1034
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:01,899
So I'm gonna quit.
1035
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:04,089
Totally.
1036
01:20:06,140 --> 01:20:06,879
Totally.
1037
01:20:08,859 --> 01:20:10,290
That's very brave of you.
1038
01:20:11,979 --> 01:20:13,080
I don't think I have a choice.
1039
01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:15,470
You know, if I want to have a
1040
01:20:16,580 --> 01:20:18,580
lasting relationship with a woman.
1041
01:20:22,410 --> 01:20:24,240
Well, I wish you the best of luck.
1042
01:20:26,399 --> 01:20:28,370
Thanks. Thanks. It's been interesting.
1043
01:20:28,549 --> 01:20:29,740
Yeah. Thank you,
1044
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:31,410
Alex.
1045
01:27:33,509 --> 01:27:33,529
Yeah.
1046
01:27:37,950 --> 01:27:38,109
And
1047
01:27:40,359 --> 01:27:40,700
uh,
1048
01:27:59,500 --> 01:27:59,729
oh,
1049
01:28:02,490 --> 01:28:02,939
oh,
1050
01:28:04,020 --> 01:28:04,310
ah,
1051
01:28:45,819 --> 01:28:48,229
that night when I saw that menage a
1052
01:28:48,339 --> 01:28:48,600
trois.
1053
01:28:50,020 --> 01:28:50,069
Ok.
1054
01:28:52,430 --> 01:28:56,009
It was, it was a
watershed event in my life.
1055
01:29:02,370 --> 01:29:03,799
From that moment
1056
01:29:06,540 --> 01:29:08,240
I became a voyeur.
1057
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:12,500
An obsessed foyer.
1058
01:29:16,709 --> 01:29:18,149
Suddenly my life,
1059
01:29:20,810 --> 01:29:20,819
I
1060
01:29:21,220 --> 01:29:24,629
just focused on finding
situations where I could,
1061
01:29:26,549 --> 01:29:28,310
where I could spy on people
1062
01:29:28,430 --> 01:29:29,209
and,
1063
01:29:31,700 --> 01:29:32,759
and masturbate.
1064
01:29:34,950 --> 01:29:36,870
I would find hotel rooms
1065
01:29:37,229 --> 01:29:38,189
that had,
1066
01:29:41,549 --> 01:29:45,450
that had apartments
across the street so that
1067
01:29:47,819 --> 01:29:50,200
so that I could set up my telescope.
1068
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:51,839
And then
1069
01:29:52,700 --> 01:29:53,770
one day
1070
01:29:55,390 --> 01:29:59,750
I was cruising in Beverly Hills
adjacent. I had a lot of luck there.
1071
01:30:02,669 --> 01:30:04,330
I came up with my own system,
1072
01:30:04,660 --> 01:30:06,689
I'd shoot with a digital camera
1073
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:09,339
and then I put them up on my computer.
1074
01:30:09,450 --> 01:30:13,009
It delayed the sexual satisfaction.
1075
01:30:13,799 --> 01:30:14,240
It
1076
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:17,149
extended the exquisite tension
1077
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:19,270
I could see into a bedroom.
1078
01:30:21,169 --> 01:30:25,549
A man was handcuffing a
naked woman's wrist to a bedpost
1079
01:30:27,490 --> 01:30:30,060
and he was putting a blindfold on her.
1080
01:30:33,669 --> 01:30:36,810
This was the most exciting
thing that I had ever seen.
1081
01:30:37,450 --> 01:30:39,819
I could barely shoot. I was so excited.
1082
01:30:42,020 --> 01:30:43,589
He was putting himself in her mouth.
1083
01:32:00,009 --> 01:32:01,709
Almost getting caught. Scared me.
1084
01:32:03,930 --> 01:32:04,950
It scared me a lot.
1085
01:32:08,049 --> 01:32:09,479
So I went into therapy
1086
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:11,189
and stopped being a voyeur.
1087
01:32:12,810 --> 01:32:13,669
Totally.
1088
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:16,100
I figured
1089
01:32:16,950 --> 01:32:19,330
I was happy before the whole thing. So
1090
01:32:19,649 --> 01:32:21,569
why couldn't I be happy again?
1091
01:32:26,850 --> 01:32:29,669
I knew what Stephen
Kay meant when he said
1092
01:32:29,799 --> 01:32:30,549
addiction.
1093
01:32:35,259 --> 01:32:37,930
There's nothing
inherently wrong with being a voyeur
1094
01:32:37,939 --> 01:32:39,410
as long as there are no victims,
1095
01:32:39,419 --> 01:32:41,890
as long as your life
is in proper balance.
1096
01:32:42,169 --> 01:32:42,830
But
1097
01:32:45,189 --> 01:32:48,459
I went a little
overboard to say the least
1098
01:32:54,149 --> 01:32:55,200
I've been dating.
1099
01:32:56,459 --> 01:32:59,160
He's a terrific guy.
It's been going really well.
1100
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:04,640
I'm not going to say
that I don't miss the rush,
1101
01:33:04,649 --> 01:33:08,569
but it's an even better rush
being in a loving relationship.
1102
01:33:12,799 --> 01:33:13,430
That's it.70869
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