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- [child 1] Hi, Mr. Camera Guy.
- [videographer] Hi!
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[child 1] That's a tiny little seat.
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[gasps] It's fluffy!
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[♪ gentle music playing]
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This is a small chair.
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[Nicola Marsh] In a couple of seconds,
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- I'm gonna ask you a bunch of questions.
- Okay.
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- [Nicola] And there's no wrong answer.
- 'Kay.
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[Nicola] Tell me, if you could do
anything when you're older,
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- what do you wanna do? What's your thing?
- I wanna be a famous singer.
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Well, it's kind of complicated.
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A famous soccer player.
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I wanna be an actor.
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I really love to act,
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but I also really would love
to teach little kids.
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When I grow up,
I would like to be a gamer.
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Uh...
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a model.
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[Nicola] Do you know what being famous is?
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Kinda like being, like, popular at school,
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but, like, times 1,000.
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I think it's, yeah, fun
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and sort of in the middle of good and bad.
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You get a lot of money.
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Yeah, everyone knows you.
Everyone likes you.
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Everyone wants to be your friend.
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You get a bunch of attention.
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And you get to travel the world
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and do stuff in other places.
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Everybody would know you
because you don't wanna be a lone wolf!
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What's bad about it is that
you can get very egotistica...
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egotistical, I think?
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People would try to take photos of you
and post them on Internet.
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Lots of people crowd around you,
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and sometimes it makes you nervous.
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It's, it's kinda hard, if you're famous,
having your own life.
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[Nicola]
Do you like it when people film you?
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How does it feel now?
You're doing it right now.
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I'm a little bit nervous
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and a little bit happy.
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[birds chirping]
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[Nicola] On a scale of one to 10,
how much are you hating me filming you?
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[unzipping bag]
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- [Demi Lovato] Um... I don't mind.
- [quiet rummaging]
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[Nicola] Be honest.
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I think on a scale of one to 10,
it's like an eight.
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- [Nicola] Feels like a nine.
- [laughing]
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[Demi] I think I just
don't like being on camera.
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- [rummaging]
- [Nicola] Why?
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- [pops lipstick]
- I think that...
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like, being on camera
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makes a lot of
my body image issues come up
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and...
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I'm constantly like, when I'm...
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when I'm on camera,
I'm just hyper-aware of that.
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And...
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yeah, it just makes me
a little uncomfortable.
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[♪ gentle music playing]
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When I was a kid,
I was so close with my great-grandparents.
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They were my world.
I just loved them so much.
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They had these two recliner chairs
that they would sit in
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and we would watch TV together.
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I just have this memory of
Shirley Temple appearing on their TV.
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- [♪ Shirley Temple singing]
- And I thought,
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"I'm going to be the next Shirley Temple.
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"I'm gonna be the next child star.
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If she can do it, I can do it."
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♪ ...of the sea,
we'll join in the jamboree ♪
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- ♪ At the Codfish Ball ♪
- [Demi] And I did.
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[kids] Barney!
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- ♪ Mirror, mirror, mirror ♪
- [audio warbling]
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I've dreamed about this for so long!
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[crowd cheering]
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[crowd screaming]
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- Thank you!
- Demi Lovato.
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Some girl screamed and said my name,
and I was like...
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- [overlapping crowd cheering]
- [cacophony]
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[reporter] News about Demi Lovato.
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- [glass shatters]
- [speaker] How could you?
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Sorry. We're gonna need a lot more work.
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- [shutter snaps]
- We're not giving up.
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- [increasing crowd cheering]
- I'm serious.
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[cacophony intensifies]
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- [shutter snaps]
- [cacophony fades out]
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I didn't realize that it would
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have such a negative impact
on my mental health.
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And, unfortunately,
sometimes that looks explosive,
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like an incident where you punch
your backup dancer on an airplane
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or you overdose from heroin.
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[♪ bright music playing]
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♪
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♪
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[♪ music fades out]
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I really thought I had all the answers
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and I thought I had gone through so much
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that I knew everything.
And now, I look at other people,
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and I'm like, "I know nothing,
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and the only way I'm gonna
get answers is to listen."
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When I'm performing in a show,
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and I see an empty seat, like,
it really fucks with me.
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Even on stage.
Like, I'll see an empty seat,
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and I'm like, "Ugh, I'm not good enough."
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- [speaker] Really?
- You know? Yeah. It's just like,
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it's this belief that was instilled in me
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as a, as a young performer...
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that... I, I...
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looked at my success as my self-worth.
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- [speaker] Mm-hmm.
- You know?
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I had a really hard time
differentiating the two.
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- [speaker] Mm-hmm.
- And I dealt with...
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a lot of need for external validation,
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um, because I was equating
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- my success to my self-worth.
- [speaker] Mm-hmm.
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Um, I was just wondering if you
ever experienced any of that
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and what that would've been
like for you if you did.
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Yeah, I mean, that's wild to hear,
you know what I mean?
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Because you are so, like, beloved.
You know what I mean? Like, you have
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fanatics, you know what I mean?
And, like, those people have those things
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because it's earned, you know what I mean?
You're a giant ball of talent,
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but, like, to see that one
inkling of a thing like that
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can irk a person like that is...
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It's interesting to, like, you know,
discuss because...
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yeah, I mean, I've had those
same kind of experiences where
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there's a chip in the armor,
you know what I mean?
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And it's like,
"Shit, everything's not perfect,"
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or "I'm not perfect enough."
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So, you, you migrate towards those
that are going to give you
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that, you know, validation,
whether that, you know,
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it's good for you or not,
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- you know what I'm saying?
- [Demi] Yeah.
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So, it's not a normal existence to have
somebody in your family be famous,
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you know what I mean? And, like,
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that's just a, a weird thing that,
like, you have to know...
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You don't have to, but it's good to know
what you're signing up for.
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- [♪ gentle music playing]
- [static crackling]
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When I was 11 months old,
I wanted be an actress.
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[audience applauding]
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Can I get you a glass of milk, honey?
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Milk? I'm a Barrymore!
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Get me a drink, and make it a double!
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[laughter, applause]
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♪
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Hi!
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- Hi.
- Hi.
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[both laugh]
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- Thank you so much for doing this.
- We finally get to do this.
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- Yes! We finally get to.
- I think we've been talking about it for,
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- what, a year almost?
- Yeah.
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I feel lucky that I'm a part of it.
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Oh, my God, of course!
How could we not have you a part of this?
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♪
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You were sort of almost born into it,
given that you started at 11 months old.
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[Drew Barrymore] Totally.
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It was a Gaines-Burgers
puppy chow commercial.
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And I've never stopped working since then
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except for when I was
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institutionalized by my mother.
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[quiet street noise]
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My mom was a waitress at the Troubadour
and The Comedy Store,
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- which were coolest of the cool.
- [Demi] Wow.
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[Drew] And then she met my dad
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who was so cool,
he was lethally, deadly cool.
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Toxically cool.
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And I think she knew
she needed to get away from him.
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- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
- Um, he was dangerous.
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He was on a lot of drugs.
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And then, she's just this single mom,
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raising a baby in 1975 with no money.
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There was a, a quietness in our apartment.
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A, a loneliness.
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And then when I got to ET,
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it was like a big bustling
environment full of people
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and life and creativity
and theatrics and play.
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What kid doesn't wanna play?
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Look what I made for you, Elliott!
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I wonder why did my mom
think it was a good idea
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for me to go into this?
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Was it 'cause she wanted
to be an actress herself?
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Was it the fact that
my dad and his family,
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the Barrymores, were actors?
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I've suddenly become quite important.
[chuckles]
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[Drew] I was always studying my family
and the old black-and-white movies.
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- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
- [Drew] So Shirley Temple was
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- the child star of that era.
- [Demi] Yeah.
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Yeah, I also looked up to Shirley Temple
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as a young child performer
and was just like,
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"I wanna be that someday. I wanna be
the youngest and the best at what I do."
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[singing]
♪ Hey, what did the blue jay say? ♪
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[Leah Plunkett]
Children have been part of the workforce
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for an incredibly long time.
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[narrator] Half a million children
are working as young as 5,
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work 14 hours a day for
as little as three cents an hour.
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[Leah] But in 1938,
the Federal Fair Labor Standards Act
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was the first set of comprehensive
federal legislation
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that had wage, hour,
and workplace condition laws
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for the whole country.
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♪
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Child labor is appalling.
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[applause]
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[Leah]
And children received special protections,
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except for child actors.
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The Shirley Temple Act
carved out child entertainers
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from the protections that children got
in most other occupations.
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Congress didn't really seem to think
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that child entertainers
would be as big of a part
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of the nation's workforce
as they went on to be.
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[inaudible]
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- Look at these.
- [Demi] Oh, my God!
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This is me in the pageants.
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- Did you sing?
- Yeah, singing was my, my talent.
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- Aw!
- Oh, my God,
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- I love that picture.
- [Madison De La Garza] You were so cute.
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I remember one time, you made a whole CD
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of, like, eight songs you sang to tracks.
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Yeah.
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[Dianna De La Garza]
And you sold the CDs for $10 each.
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I went around in the neighborhood
and sold my CD so that I could raise money
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- to be in the pageants.
- Pushing mix tapes.
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- [laughter]
- Yeah, mix tapes.
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Hottest Mix Tape of the Year.
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- [laughter]
- But, we did things,
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uh, we bought dresses at Goodwill.
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I wanted to give them
every opportunity I could
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to let them do what I didn't
get to do when I was a kid.
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And some things we couldn't
afford to do at that time,
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but if we could, we did it.
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[Dallas Lovato] Do you remember when
we would drive to auditions to Austin,
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- and we would hold up signs in the back?
- And we'd say, "Honk if..."
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- [laughter]
- "Honk if you're beautiful."
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And it's on the back of a script!
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[all laughing]
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[Dianna] That script is the one where
Dallas threw the milkshake out the window.
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[Dallas] I know!
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She didn't realize the window
in the back seat was open.
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So when she threw the milkshake out,
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- it just went right back in all over us.
- Came right back in, yeah.
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[Dianna] The wind threw it right back...
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[Demi] We were on our way to an audition.
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And we had to wash our hair
at a gas station,
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- like in the sink at a gas station.
- Did you show up with wet hair?
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- I don't remember. I may have dried...
- [Dianne] No!
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I stuck both of them
underneath the hand dryer.
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- And I went like this.
- [laughter]
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Here's the thing, it's the ultimate sin
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to show up at an audition late.
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Or with milkshake in your hair.
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[all laughing]
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Let me tell you, I was panicking.
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[♪ soft music playing]
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[Dr. Yalda Uhls]
It's really hard to be an actor's parent.
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You have to give up your career.
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You have to take them to
auditions all of the time.
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You have to be on set.
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How are you gonna work?
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[Brooks Barnes] A lot of times,
we think that it's the parents
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dragging the kids to Hollywood,
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and they have ideas about how this child
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can support the family, and everyone can
go live on a yacht or something.
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In many cases, it's the kid who sees this
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as a way out.
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[Chris Smith] They are born artists,
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this sense of seeing the world
in a different way.
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The characteristics that
some of the kid actors share
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is that they're quirky.
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I'm not perky.
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[scoffs] That's for damn sure.
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[Christina Ricci] But I wanna be.
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So, how do you find your lanes in life
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to work with your quirkiness?
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I wanna smile. And sing and dance.
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Oh, darling, do you really mean it?
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[Chris Smith] If acting is your thing,
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be the best entertainment
professional you can be.
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Some see this as a way
of catapulting the family
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to stability and becoming happy.
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I was really unhappy
in my home life and at school,
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and I was really bored, and I was getting
into, like, really crazy trouble at 7.
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- Wow, okay.
- [Christina] Mm-hmm.
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And so, as soon as
I started going on auditions
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every day after school with
my mother, all of it stopped.
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- All the trouble, everything.
- Mm-hmm.
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[Christina] But what I really loved
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was getting to go with my mom
on the bus to New York [laughs]
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to the Port Authority.
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And my mother was kept
in a place in my home
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- where she was not present.
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
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[Christina] And as soon as she and I
got out of the house,
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she had a personality.
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- [turnstiles rattling]
- [indistinct chatter]
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We became very close,
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and she would teach me about street smarts
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and getting around Manhattan
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and all the stuff to avoid getting killed
at the Port Authority.
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And, um... 'Cause it was 1987,
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so it was a really unsafe time to be...
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- [Demi] Yeah.
- Thank you.
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...at the Port Authority.
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So, having that one-on-one
attention from my mother
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was something that was really incredible.
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I think I also really loved
having something finally
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- that I knew I was good at.
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
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[Christina] And getting all that positive
reinforcement all the time
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- for being good at something.
- [Demi] Yeah.
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- [♪ bright music playing]
- [gagging]
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Bravo!
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Bravo!
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[reporter] What a wonderful job
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- you did in this movie!
- Thank you.
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[Christina] I had a very chaotic home.
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My father was a failed cult leader.
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And so, he had all that
same sort of, like,
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really crazy narcissism,
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uh, that goes along with someone
wanting to run a cult.
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- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
- Um,
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and he was very physically violent.
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- There was never any peace in my house.
- [Demi] Right.
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- And you found peace on set.
- [Christina] Yeah!
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I knew nothing totally insane
was about to happen. [laughs]
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- [Demi] Right.
- [Christina] You know?
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Nobody was gonna, like,
get really mad and pretend
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they were gonna drive the car into a wall.
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For me, there was this
refuge of emotional safety.
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He's a nice director, that's for sure.
And, um...
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[♪ soft music playing]
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...he, he needs a lot of sleep. That's...
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Because he has to work late at night.
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[Drew] That film changed my life.
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There was something
very different about E.T.
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because of the way
Steven Spielberg treated me.
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I did not have a father,
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and he was the person
who made me feel like,
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all of a sudden
I wanted to be my best for.
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Gimme your other hand. There we go!
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Ah! That's great for
the small of your back.
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As I was saying. [laughs]
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[Drew] What I loved was that
Steven went out of his way
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to make E.T. real for me.
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- He's really real.
- [set chatter]
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Then why are all those wires?
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Those aren't wires. Those are his feet.
Didn't you know that?
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He was also the first person
I felt embarrassed in front of
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if I behaved badly or was caught drinking.
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There was no authority in my life,
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so I loved any boundary he set to me.
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It didn't hit me until I was an adult,
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"Oh, that's how parents are
supposed to make you feel."
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What is this?
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Cheese ball pick-me-ups,
accompanied by miniature franks,
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and, for dessert, marshmallow kebobs.
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My mother at the time did not know
anything about making movies.
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She just really didn't know.
And Cher took me under her wing,
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and she recognized that
sometimes you could be on a set,
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and you don't know exactly
what is going on behind the scenes,
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power struggles or different issues,
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and if you don't know any better
and have no experience,
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you could think it was your fault.
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- [Demi] Right.
- And she never wanted me to feel insecure.
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She was great.
I spent all my time with her.
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I used to hide from tutor school
in her trailer
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- and eating See's.
- [Demi laughs]
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She was obsessed with
the chocolate See's lollipops.
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- [Demi] Yeah, yeah.
- Yeah, yeah.
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It was the first time I had
ever seen, um, sparkling water also.
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- [laughs]
- I was like,
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"These rich people with
their bubbly water." [laughs]
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She kind of was like...
Was she a mentor to you?
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Yeah, I was really lucky
in that when I first started,
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I had a lot... I worked with a lot of women
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that were very strong.
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They weren't... They were,
they were great talents,
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but they were also very strong
and had boundaries
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and had rules about how they were treated,
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and that's one thing
I definitely got from her.
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That's so nice that you had someone,
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- a strong woman to look up to on set.
- [Christina] Yeah.
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And that, that looked after you.
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Um, I think it's...
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And it was my first experience,
and she was really in charge.
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Yeah. Um, I didn't have that experience.
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- I'm sorry.
- It was a man's world for me.
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Nobody around me really knew
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this is what can happen to your kid.
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I think anybody lucky enough,
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or is a lucky person
to get a mentor, for sure.
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- [Demi] Yeah.
- 'Cause it's like,
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you know, it starts
with your parents, yes,
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but kids don't listen to their parents,
you know what I mean?
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Like, kids will listen
to their parents' friend
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saying the exact same thing
that their parents said
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- and actually listen to that person.
- [Demi chuckles]
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- [Demi] Right.
- It's just one of those dynamics in life.
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I had, you know, my theater mentor,
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you know, our drama teacher,
Freddie Hendricks, was a big one.
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You know, a lot of people in the church,
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I would say, like, the church
as a whole growing up.
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And then, you know, as I got older
or, you know, further into the business,
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like, you know,
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Brian Robbins is a big mentor of mine,
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the producer on the show All That.
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- Woo! What's happening, y'all?
- [audience laughter]
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Hi, Kenan!
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[Demi] I secretly was bummed
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that I was a Disney kid
because I was like I never got to, like...
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- Yeah, I knew it!
- I never got to get slimed!
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Yeah, no, I was a huge fan of Nickelodeon,
like, for that reason.
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Double Dare was the craziest thing
I'd ever seen,
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- and I just, I wanted that.
- Yes!
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Disney was like the most wholesome reality
there could ever be created.
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- Right.
- So, Nickelodeon was just like,
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"Yeah, we're punks or whatever.
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We listen to hip-hop, we listen to R&B."
You know what I mean?
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[audience laughs]
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Ha! Hello there.
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Welcome to Good Burger,
home of the Good Burger.
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- Can I take your order?
- Oh, no, no. No food for me now.
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Before Nickelodeon,
before the 1980s really,
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children's entertainment was
definitely geared toward children,
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but there was only the three channels,
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and there's not really
a lot of children per se.
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[♪ gentle music playing]
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Even the cartoons were ostensibly adults.
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Look at me. I'm calm.
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Why shouldn't you be?
Your wife isn't having a baby.
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[Mathew Klickstein]
The broadcast television model
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was as broad as possible,
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and then, all of a sudden,
there was this new way
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of piping television into homes: cable.
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[♪ quirky music playing]
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[inaudible]
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We've got that splintering
of the audience.
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It starts to become compartmentalized
to very specific demographics.
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Well, why not start
a channel aimed at kids?
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Nickelodeon is narrowly cast at children.
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- Alright!
- [Mathew] By the early '80s,
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everybody's got a TV.
Some people have three TVs, four TVs.
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There's a TV in the kids' room.
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It's not just downstairs anymore.
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So Nickelodeon does some of the first-ever
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focus groups for children.
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It's really the first time
where they're sitting down
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with the kids and saying,
"What do you want us to show?"
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The biggest thing that they realize
is that kids wanna see themselves.
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- [Mayim Bialik] Me?
- Great idea, Spongie.
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[Jaimee Foxworth]
I'm really gettin' sick of this.
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[David Kamp] From the '80s onward,
there was a big ideological shift,
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and there were more
and more kids on television.
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- [kids] Three, two, one!
- [clang]
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- [kids cheering]
- [zapping, beeping]
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[announcer]
The Disney Channel is on the air!
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[Mathew] Disney kicks off its own channel.
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Now, there's competition.
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Nickelodeon, they actually were trying
to be very anti-Disney,
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kind of "Damn the Man," irreverent,
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dirty, and disgusting, and slime,
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and, as they would tout,
"What children want."
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[both]
Nickelodeon gives you what you want!
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- [splattering]
- [audience laughter]
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Yo, what's up, everybody?
Kenan Thompson here
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on the set of Good Burger, the movie.
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- I had the Good Burger orange VHS.
- [Kenan Thompson] The orange tape.
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[Demi] And I probably still do in storage.
462
00:22:44,489 --> 00:22:47,158
Yeah, that orange tape is synonymous,
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I think, with that era.
Like, everybody says it.
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- Like, "Yo, when I was growing up..."
- [Demi] Yes. The orange tape.
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That was the... Some people are like,
"That's the only movie we had."
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- Aw.
- [Kenan] It was the orange tape.
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I'm like, "That's...
I'm-I'm glad to bring you joy."
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You do remember that it was my idea
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to put the salsa on Good Burgers
in the first place.
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That first commercial, when they paid me,
it was, like, $800.
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- [Demi] Yeah.
- And I was, you know, 12,
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- something like that. 11.
- [Demi] Yeah.
473
00:23:11,683 --> 00:23:13,518
So, that might as well have been
a million dollars,
474
00:23:13,519 --> 00:23:14,894
you know what I'm saying? Like,
475
00:23:14,895 --> 00:23:17,939
- you know how much candy I was thinking...
- [Demi] Yeah! Of course!
476
00:23:17,940 --> 00:23:20,107
- ...like, $800 is gonna buy me?
- [Demi] Of course.
477
00:23:20,108 --> 00:23:23,110
Yeah, I remember booking Barney,
478
00:23:23,111 --> 00:23:25,821
and seeing the episodic checks
that would come in,
479
00:23:25,822 --> 00:23:27,365
- and you're... Yeah.
- [Kenan] Crazy.
480
00:23:27,366 --> 00:23:30,409
And it was just like,
I don't even know... I... There's not a...
481
00:23:30,410 --> 00:23:32,787
I, I can't even spend this
in one day on toys.
482
00:23:32,788 --> 00:23:36,874
[singing] ♪ This one is a triangle
that has three sides ♪
483
00:23:36,875 --> 00:23:38,292
♪ We draw... ♪
484
00:23:38,293 --> 00:23:41,045
[interviewer] Tell us a little bit about
some of your acting that you've done.
485
00:23:41,046 --> 00:23:44,215
My acting that I've done, um,
has probably been Barney.
486
00:23:44,216 --> 00:23:46,801
That really got me started
and, like, with singing, too,
487
00:23:46,802 --> 00:23:48,928
'cause after that,
I found a voice teacher.
488
00:23:48,929 --> 00:23:52,223
[Demi] My paychecks would
go back into voice lessons
489
00:23:52,224 --> 00:23:54,684
and acting lessons and guitar lessons,
490
00:23:54,685 --> 00:23:57,646
and I was kind of like an investment.
491
00:23:58,814 --> 00:24:02,316
There was a fire in her
492
00:24:02,317 --> 00:24:05,236
that she wanted to get to the next level.
493
00:24:05,237 --> 00:24:07,865
♪
494
00:24:09,449 --> 00:24:12,076
[Demi] Barney was my first audition,
and I booked it, and that was great.
495
00:24:12,077 --> 00:24:15,371
But then, like, I found it
really hard to book other jobs,
496
00:24:15,372 --> 00:24:17,457
and I was so frustrated.
497
00:24:18,208 --> 00:24:19,918
There were a lot of "nos."
498
00:24:21,461 --> 00:24:24,881
And it's also like,
I feel like when you are young
499
00:24:24,882 --> 00:24:26,174
and you start out in the industry
500
00:24:26,175 --> 00:24:28,092
and you start making
a bunch of money right away,
501
00:24:28,093 --> 00:24:30,052
no one ever tells you that it runs out.
502
00:24:30,053 --> 00:24:32,597
And all of a sudden, you wake up one day,
and you're like,
503
00:24:32,598 --> 00:24:36,350
"Oh, shit. This is like...
I have to keep working,
504
00:24:36,351 --> 00:24:37,852
if I'm lucky enough to keep working."
505
00:24:37,853 --> 00:24:39,187
- You know?
- Yeah, man.
506
00:24:39,188 --> 00:24:41,814
For a long time, it was,
you know, a lot of auditioning,
507
00:24:41,815 --> 00:24:44,817
- like, a lot of struggle, whatever.
- Mm-hmm. A lot of rejection.
508
00:24:44,818 --> 00:24:46,569
- Ton of rejection. Like...
- Yeah.
509
00:24:46,570 --> 00:24:49,155
And I really considered
not wanting to act anymore,
510
00:24:49,156 --> 00:24:51,240
like, if these are the kinds
of things I had to go through.
511
00:24:51,241 --> 00:24:54,702
It was almost like
I was forced to stay humble,
512
00:24:54,703 --> 00:24:56,329
if you will, you know what I'm saying?
513
00:24:56,330 --> 00:25:00,041
'Cause, like, when I could've
been in my most boisterous,
514
00:25:00,042 --> 00:25:03,753
everybody-knows-my-name
kinda years, I didn't want that
515
00:25:03,754 --> 00:25:07,298
because I didn't want people
to know I was struggling.
516
00:25:07,299 --> 00:25:08,466
You know what I mean?
517
00:25:08,467 --> 00:25:12,053
So, it's kind of the beautiful
kind of conundrum of, you know,
518
00:25:12,054 --> 00:25:15,223
- the irony of life, if you will. Yeah.
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
519
00:25:15,224 --> 00:25:17,391
- I took it personal every time I got a no.
- [Kenan] Yeah.
520
00:25:17,392 --> 00:25:19,478
'Cause I was like,
"There's something wrong with me."
521
00:25:21,855 --> 00:25:24,899
I knew that that was what I wanted to do
522
00:25:24,900 --> 00:25:28,528
instead of going to public school
with other kids.
523
00:25:28,529 --> 00:25:31,364
Like, I never felt normal, so doing...
524
00:25:31,365 --> 00:25:33,032
performing in arts made me feel
525
00:25:33,033 --> 00:25:35,243
more comfortable being myself.
526
00:25:35,244 --> 00:25:38,746
- [♪ lively piano playing]
- [coach] Oh, my God!
527
00:25:38,747 --> 00:25:42,375
[Christina] Yeah, I learned really
early on that I could never talk about
528
00:25:42,376 --> 00:25:45,670
what ha... what I did when I was away
when I was back at school.
529
00:25:45,671 --> 00:25:48,339
I think the first day I came
back from shooting Mermaids,
530
00:25:48,340 --> 00:25:50,299
there were two little girls
that I'd been friends with,
531
00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:53,761
and I went to talk to them
and tell them about what I had done.
532
00:25:53,762 --> 00:25:56,222
And they very quickly turned on me
533
00:25:56,223 --> 00:25:58,266
- and thought I was bragging.
- [Demi] Yeah. Right.
534
00:25:58,267 --> 00:26:00,184
And I was like... [stammering]
535
00:26:00,185 --> 00:26:03,938
And I just realized that it
was not going to go over well.
536
00:26:03,939 --> 00:26:05,273
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
- And so after that,
537
00:26:05,274 --> 00:26:06,983
I never spoke about it ever.
538
00:26:06,984 --> 00:26:09,151
[Demi] Oh, that must've been so isolating.
539
00:26:09,152 --> 00:26:11,947
I guess so. At the time, I didn't, um...
540
00:26:12,698 --> 00:26:16,660
It didn't... At the time, you know,
I wasn't doing a lot of, uh...
541
00:26:18,287 --> 00:26:21,205
- self-analysis at that age, obviously.
- [Demi] Mm-hmm. Yeah.
542
00:26:21,206 --> 00:26:25,419
But I do think that I felt...
I was not a child that felt, um,
543
00:26:26,003 --> 00:26:28,296
like I had a group where
I belonged, you know?
544
00:26:28,297 --> 00:26:29,589
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
- And I guess that...
545
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:31,549
I guess maybe, yeah,
that would've started then.
546
00:26:31,550 --> 00:26:34,636
[♪ gentle music playing]
547
00:26:39,266 --> 00:26:41,434
[Demi] As soon as I started
auditioning for roles,
548
00:26:41,435 --> 00:26:43,729
the bullying started happening.
549
00:26:44,688 --> 00:26:48,274
The popular girls started
writing in the bathroom stalls,
550
00:26:48,275 --> 00:26:52,320
"Demi's a whore," all these nasty things.
551
00:26:52,321 --> 00:26:56,324
And then it got to the point where,
like, by the end of the day on a Friday,
552
00:26:56,325 --> 00:27:00,120
I remember going to lunch and feeling like
everyone was staring at me.
553
00:27:01,163 --> 00:27:03,998
They had signed a suicide petition
554
00:27:03,999 --> 00:27:06,876
saying that I should kill myself,
555
00:27:06,877 --> 00:27:09,963
and it was passed around
and people signed it.
556
00:27:13,509 --> 00:27:16,011
It was so extremely hurtful.
557
00:27:18,138 --> 00:27:20,973
And that was a part of
my motivation to follow my dreams
558
00:27:20,974 --> 00:27:23,310
because I knew it would
get me out of Texas.
559
00:27:25,479 --> 00:27:28,732
I imagined what it would be like
being on Disney Channel.
560
00:27:29,525 --> 00:27:34,821
I was like, "I'm gonna become so famous,
they can't escape my name."
561
00:27:37,282 --> 00:27:39,951
[Dianna] The turning point for our family
562
00:27:39,952 --> 00:27:41,578
was when...
563
00:27:42,579 --> 00:27:46,542
Demi went to the Disney Channel
to audition for...
564
00:27:48,043 --> 00:27:50,586
the Jonas Brothers show.
565
00:27:50,587 --> 00:27:52,548
And she wanted it so bad.
566
00:27:53,257 --> 00:27:55,633
You know, we had heard
so many "nos" on things.
567
00:27:55,634 --> 00:27:59,387
At this point, we had been auditioning
for several years,
568
00:27:59,388 --> 00:28:01,974
and they flew us out.
569
00:28:05,060 --> 00:28:06,727
- [plane whooshing]
- Hi!
570
00:28:06,728 --> 00:28:09,272
I screen tested for it and everything.
571
00:28:09,273 --> 00:28:12,400
- Wow!
- [Dianna] You were here five minutes ago.
572
00:28:12,401 --> 00:28:14,610
I know, but I've dreamed
about this for so long,
573
00:28:14,611 --> 00:28:16,988
and I still can't believe
that I... we're here.
574
00:28:16,989 --> 00:28:19,198
I was so excited. I couldn't believe
575
00:28:19,199 --> 00:28:21,284
that they were considering me
for the role.
576
00:28:21,285 --> 00:28:22,660
[♪ soft music playing]
577
00:28:22,661 --> 00:28:24,954
The agent called us and said,
578
00:28:24,955 --> 00:28:28,166
"I'm sorry, Demi didn't get it."
579
00:28:29,042 --> 00:28:31,502
[Demi] I was so close.
580
00:28:31,503 --> 00:28:35,548
I had gotten my hopes up so high.
581
00:28:35,549 --> 00:28:37,842
Disney said,
"Even though you didn't get this one,
582
00:28:37,843 --> 00:28:39,594
we still wanna see you
for two other roles."
583
00:28:39,595 --> 00:28:40,678
[phone ringing]
584
00:28:40,679 --> 00:28:43,724
[Dianna] And we got a phone call.
Her agent put it on speaker,
585
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,727
and they said, "Congratulations, Demi.
586
00:28:47,728 --> 00:28:51,731
You are Camp Rock's Mitchie."
587
00:28:51,732 --> 00:28:53,316
That was the name of the character.
588
00:28:53,317 --> 00:28:56,319
♪ Off to the races, I'm going places ♪
589
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,988
♪ Might be a long shot,
not gonna waste it ♪
590
00:28:58,989 --> 00:29:01,616
♪ This is the big break ♪
591
00:29:01,617 --> 00:29:05,495
♪ And it's calling my name, yeah ♪
592
00:29:06,371 --> 00:29:08,039
♪ So far, so great ♪
593
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,085
[Demi] I also booked
Sonny with a Chance, so I got both.
594
00:29:12,711 --> 00:29:13,711
♪ Yow! ♪
595
00:29:13,712 --> 00:29:17,382
When you get a "yes"
that's really that big,
596
00:29:18,509 --> 00:29:21,761
that was like, "This is gonna change
my family's whole life."
597
00:29:21,762 --> 00:29:22,887
Mom!
598
00:29:22,888 --> 00:29:25,431
Ah! This is so exciting!
599
00:29:25,432 --> 00:29:26,766
- [giggles]
- You know it's not every day
600
00:29:26,767 --> 00:29:29,602
that I hand my beautiful daughter
over to show business.
601
00:29:29,603 --> 00:29:31,896
- [audience laughs]
- Bye!
602
00:29:31,897 --> 00:29:34,690
[Dianna]
The attorney that was on the phone said,
603
00:29:34,691 --> 00:29:36,817
"When are you gonna be moving out here?"
604
00:29:36,818 --> 00:29:39,237
And I said,
"Oh, we're not gonna be moving out."
605
00:29:39,238 --> 00:29:42,865
And they... [chuckles] they laughed at me.
They were like,
606
00:29:42,866 --> 00:29:45,452
"No, that's not how this works." [laughs]
607
00:29:46,537 --> 00:29:51,541
We were so green in this industry.
608
00:29:51,542 --> 00:29:54,085
I just had no idea how any of this worked.
609
00:29:54,086 --> 00:29:58,339
And you know what?
That was the easy part of our lives.
610
00:29:58,340 --> 00:30:02,000
I'm not kidding. It got harder from there.
Trust me.
611
00:30:03,511 --> 00:30:05,138
[♪ soft electronic music playing]
612
00:30:06,807 --> 00:30:09,809
[♪ music becomes upbeat]
613
00:30:09,810 --> 00:30:13,188
[indistinct chatter]
614
00:30:17,192 --> 00:30:18,776
Whoa.
615
00:30:18,777 --> 00:30:21,028
[Brooks] Disney comes along and realizes
616
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:25,700
the idea of being famous is a real hook
617
00:30:25,701 --> 00:30:28,703
to teenage girls in particular.
618
00:30:28,704 --> 00:30:30,746
[announcer]
The Cheetah Girls In Concert Collection.
619
00:30:30,747 --> 00:30:32,164
You can make them sing!
620
00:30:32,165 --> 00:30:35,960
[Brooks] The first is Cheetah Girls, 2003,
621
00:30:35,961 --> 00:30:38,838
about a formation of a girl group.
622
00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:41,632
And then you have High School Musical
623
00:30:41,633 --> 00:30:43,134
and Hannah Montana.
624
00:30:43,135 --> 00:30:46,137
I wrote this song
about an 11-year-old girl
625
00:30:46,138 --> 00:30:47,680
who wanted to be a rock star.
626
00:30:47,681 --> 00:30:50,016
These shows about performing
627
00:30:50,017 --> 00:30:52,435
and what it might be like to be famous.
628
00:30:52,436 --> 00:30:54,228
This could lead to something bigger,
629
00:30:54,229 --> 00:30:57,023
like T-shirts, backpacks, lunchboxes.
630
00:30:57,024 --> 00:30:59,817
It's always been a dream of mine
to be on a lunchbox!
631
00:30:59,818 --> 00:31:02,278
[Brooks]
The big thing that the networks realize
632
00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:04,405
is that these shows in particular
633
00:31:04,406 --> 00:31:07,450
are very merchandise-friendly.
634
00:31:07,451 --> 00:31:10,244
[♪ gentle music playing]
635
00:31:10,245 --> 00:31:12,330
- [announcer 1] JoJo Siwa!
- [crowd cheering]
636
00:31:12,331 --> 00:31:14,749
[announcer 2] Entertainer-performer
JoJo Siwa can do it all.
637
00:31:14,750 --> 00:31:17,043
She's fun, she's positive,
and she's so sparkly!
638
00:31:17,044 --> 00:31:18,711
We're in JoJo heaven,
639
00:31:18,712 --> 00:31:20,546
and now, your little one can be, too,
640
00:31:20,547 --> 00:31:22,882
with the JoJo range at Walmart.
Available now!
641
00:31:22,883 --> 00:31:25,843
You have so much merchandise!
642
00:31:25,844 --> 00:31:26,928
[JoJo Siwa] It's crazy!
643
00:31:26,929 --> 00:31:28,680
- Oh, my God.
- [JoJo] Yeah.
644
00:31:30,807 --> 00:31:33,434
- You need a bath bomb?
- Oh, scented bath bombs?
645
00:31:33,435 --> 00:31:35,728
- [JoJo] [laughs] Fully.
- What else do we have? We have...
646
00:31:35,729 --> 00:31:36,979
I mean, art kits.
647
00:31:36,980 --> 00:31:39,398
- We got toys, electronics...
- Art kits.
648
00:31:39,399 --> 00:31:41,567
- ...merchandise, bows.
- Cups.
649
00:31:41,568 --> 00:31:44,320
- "Design your own glitter tumblers."
- [JoJo] Yep. [laughs]
650
00:31:44,321 --> 00:31:45,780
[Demi] You have everything!
651
00:31:45,781 --> 00:31:47,823
[JoJo]
I have everything you could ever need
652
00:31:47,824 --> 00:31:50,326
for a 7-year-old girl's birthday party.
653
00:31:50,327 --> 00:31:51,410
[both laugh]
654
00:31:51,411 --> 00:31:53,287
[singing]
♪ I'ma come back like a boomerang ♪
655
00:31:53,288 --> 00:31:55,790
Just updated the JoJo Siwa merch room!
656
00:31:55,791 --> 00:31:58,751
It was always really cool to me.
It was weird
657
00:31:58,752 --> 00:32:01,420
being produced as an animation almost,
658
00:32:01,421 --> 00:32:03,214
you know what I mean? But it was real,
659
00:32:03,215 --> 00:32:06,008
- it was me, like the... not a character.
- Right.
660
00:32:06,009 --> 00:32:09,220
- But at the same time, same as SpongeBob.
- Right.
661
00:32:09,221 --> 00:32:10,763
You know what I mean?
Same as Mickey Mouse.
662
00:32:10,764 --> 00:32:12,807
- 'Cause your name is on this, so it's you.
- Mm-hmm.
663
00:32:12,808 --> 00:32:15,268
- It's me. Yeah.
- It's your likeness. It's not a character
664
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:17,019
that you're playing,
which is totally different
665
00:32:17,020 --> 00:32:19,856
- than what Hannah Montana and other...
- Exactly. You.
666
00:32:19,857 --> 00:32:21,440
- And, and me, yeah. [laughs]
- You, yeah!
667
00:32:21,441 --> 00:32:24,527
[♪ upbeat pop music playing]
668
00:32:24,528 --> 00:32:26,195
[crowd screaming]
669
00:32:26,196 --> 00:32:28,948
[JoJo] Growing up, seeing
Hannah Montana on stage with the fans,
670
00:32:28,949 --> 00:32:30,616
and she was singing Nobody's Perfect,
671
00:32:30,617 --> 00:32:32,660
that was like, I wanted to be it.
672
00:32:32,661 --> 00:32:35,830
[crowd cheering]
673
00:32:35,831 --> 00:32:39,250
[Brooks] If you get a Disney show
or a Nickelodeon show,
674
00:32:39,251 --> 00:32:41,711
suddenly, your life changes overnight.
675
00:32:41,712 --> 00:32:45,256
You not only become famous,
676
00:32:45,257 --> 00:32:47,383
your image becomes merchandised.
677
00:32:47,384 --> 00:32:49,844
You're in Target aisle.
678
00:32:49,845 --> 00:32:51,846
They send you to the theme parks
679
00:32:51,847 --> 00:32:54,849
to stand on the top of a parade.
680
00:32:54,850 --> 00:32:58,311
If you can sing from Disney's, uh,
music label,
681
00:32:58,312 --> 00:33:00,563
as that triple-threat benefit can be,
682
00:33:00,564 --> 00:33:03,149
"Oh, wait, you can act and dance.
683
00:33:03,150 --> 00:33:04,984
Uh, let's put you in front of cameras."
684
00:33:04,985 --> 00:33:06,903
You're such the triple-threat.
You dance, you act.
685
00:33:06,904 --> 00:33:08,196
Is singing your number one?
686
00:33:08,197 --> 00:33:10,156
- [audience clapping]
- Triple-threat star Ariana Grande
687
00:33:10,157 --> 00:33:12,241
is following the super
successful footsteps...
688
00:33:12,242 --> 00:33:13,367
Kinda wanna be a triple threat.
689
00:33:13,368 --> 00:33:14,577
[♪ soft music playing]
690
00:33:14,578 --> 00:33:17,872
[Demi] Everyone at that time
wanted to be on Disney Channel.
691
00:33:17,873 --> 00:33:22,377
It was the coolest thing to do
is to be a Disney channel star.
692
00:33:23,003 --> 00:33:25,379
♪
693
00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:26,797
- Justin.
- Keri.
694
00:33:26,798 --> 00:33:28,216
- JC.
- Britney.
695
00:33:28,217 --> 00:33:29,592
Ryan.
696
00:33:29,593 --> 00:33:32,720
[Demi] It was the only way
that teens were able
697
00:33:32,721 --> 00:33:36,766
to make it in the industry at a young age
698
00:33:36,767 --> 00:33:38,935
because getting a movie role
699
00:33:38,936 --> 00:33:41,646
that would break
a child actor was so rare,
700
00:33:41,647 --> 00:33:44,357
- and here came along this...
- [crowd cheering]
701
00:33:44,358 --> 00:33:46,776
...massive platform
702
00:33:46,777 --> 00:33:49,862
that could easily transform your life.
703
00:33:49,863 --> 00:33:53,909
- [♪ muffled upbeat music playing]
- [♪ indistinct singing]
704
00:33:54,701 --> 00:33:58,079
I had so much fun filming Camp Rock.
705
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,539
The whole thing was so exciting.
706
00:33:59,540 --> 00:34:02,459
We were all kind of just thrown
into this Disney machine.
707
00:34:02,793 --> 00:34:05,586
- [Jasmine Richards] What up?
- [Alyson Stoner] This is our school room!
708
00:34:05,587 --> 00:34:06,671
[cheering]
709
00:34:06,672 --> 00:34:08,172
This is where we hang out.
710
00:34:08,173 --> 00:34:10,259
[Demi] We called it Disney High.
711
00:34:10,592 --> 00:34:14,555
[♪ harmonizing]
712
00:34:15,722 --> 00:34:17,682
[Demi]
You know, we were dating each other,
713
00:34:17,683 --> 00:34:19,684
and there was people
that didn't like each other,
714
00:34:19,685 --> 00:34:21,978
and we were all the same age.
715
00:34:21,979 --> 00:34:25,274
And none of us were in high school,
so that was our experience of it.
716
00:34:26,108 --> 00:34:28,609
[both] Oh, my God! [laughter]
717
00:34:28,610 --> 00:34:30,695
♪
718
00:34:30,696 --> 00:34:33,739
[Alyson] I don't think there's been
one night where we're not hanging out.
719
00:34:33,740 --> 00:34:36,367
It shows how close
we've really gotten with each other.
720
00:34:36,368 --> 00:34:39,745
Everyone in this movie is friends
with each other, and that's hard to find.
721
00:34:39,746 --> 00:34:40,830
- [balloon pops]
- Ha-ha!
722
00:34:40,831 --> 00:34:41,915
Oh, my gosh!
723
00:34:42,583 --> 00:34:45,376
- [Alyson] Do you remember this?
- Oh, yeah! [laughs]
724
00:34:45,377 --> 00:34:47,879
[both singing] ♪ Hand it up,
let's start, start, start ♪
725
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,881
- Oh, it was this.
- Why do I know this dance still?
726
00:34:49,882 --> 00:34:51,674
- [laughing]
- This is embarrassing.
727
00:34:51,675 --> 00:34:54,385
It lives forever in my cellular memory.
728
00:34:54,386 --> 00:34:56,304
[laughing]
729
00:34:56,305 --> 00:34:59,015
- [Demi] Oh, my God!
- [Alyson] Stop!
730
00:34:59,016 --> 00:35:00,600
Well, Anne Marie.
731
00:35:00,601 --> 00:35:02,143
- Yeah!
- Yeah.
732
00:35:02,144 --> 00:35:04,270
- Do you ever talk to her?
- No!
733
00:35:04,271 --> 00:35:06,480
- Yeah, I stalked her.
- Also... Okay. [laughs]
734
00:35:06,481 --> 00:35:08,774
I think she has a baby
and, like, is married.
735
00:35:08,775 --> 00:35:10,151
- [gasps] What?
- Yeah.
736
00:35:10,152 --> 00:35:11,485
♪ I know you're never gonna wanna ♪
737
00:35:11,486 --> 00:35:14,322
Who out of us have babies?
738
00:35:14,323 --> 00:35:16,365
- [Demi laughs]
- Giovanni!
739
00:35:16,366 --> 00:35:18,367
I feel like dancing
to the beat of a different drum.
740
00:35:18,368 --> 00:35:19,827
Oh, wow.
741
00:35:19,828 --> 00:35:22,121
Hi, I'm Caitlyn, camper today,
742
00:35:22,122 --> 00:35:24,749
top-selling music producer tomorrow.
Check me out.
743
00:35:24,750 --> 00:35:26,876
[♪ upbeat techno music playing]
744
00:35:26,877 --> 00:35:28,252
Cool! [laughs]
745
00:35:28,253 --> 00:35:29,837
Do you the keyboard scene?
746
00:35:29,838 --> 00:35:33,007
- I don't know what you're talking about.
- You... [laughs]
747
00:35:33,008 --> 00:35:35,176
[♪ quiet techno music playing]
748
00:35:35,177 --> 00:35:39,013
It's like... like this. It's so good!
749
00:35:39,014 --> 00:35:41,766
[♪ techno continues]
750
00:35:41,767 --> 00:35:45,353
I play a piano
that wasn't plugged in on the day
751
00:35:45,354 --> 00:35:47,438
and didn't know what song
they were gonna add.
752
00:35:47,439 --> 00:35:49,982
- [Demi] Oh, no... Yes.
- Do you... And then when I heard it
753
00:35:49,983 --> 00:35:52,568
when the movie came out,
I was like, "That's what you chose?"
754
00:35:52,569 --> 00:35:53,986
[Demi laughing]
755
00:35:53,987 --> 00:35:56,113
"I'm supposed to be a talented producer!
756
00:35:56,114 --> 00:35:58,074
That's what you're playing?"
757
00:35:58,075 --> 00:36:01,077
[♪ quiet techno continues]
758
00:36:01,078 --> 00:36:03,037
[Demi]
And I'm like, "Wow, she's really good!"
759
00:36:03,038 --> 00:36:05,081
- [laughs]
- [Alyson] That's the moment.
760
00:36:05,082 --> 00:36:06,333
[both laugh]
761
00:36:06,834 --> 00:36:10,545
[Demi] I remember one time,
you followed me into the bathroom.
762
00:36:10,546 --> 00:36:12,588
- In Camp Rock one.
- Yeah. Yeah.
763
00:36:12,589 --> 00:36:14,757
[Demi] And I had been purging,
764
00:36:14,758 --> 00:36:17,885
and you picked up on it
because your Spidey senses
765
00:36:17,886 --> 00:36:21,013
were already in tune with those behaviors.
766
00:36:21,014 --> 00:36:22,557
- [Alyson] Mm-hmm.
- And you followed me in,
767
00:36:22,558 --> 00:36:23,766
and you talked to me.
768
00:36:23,767 --> 00:36:26,854
And I was really grateful that someone...
769
00:36:28,188 --> 00:36:31,148
didn't just, like, shun me in that moment,
770
00:36:31,149 --> 00:36:33,234
um, or shame me at all.
771
00:36:33,235 --> 00:36:36,028
I felt like you were
very understanding and...
772
00:36:36,029 --> 00:36:40,075
But, that was definitely
a moment that I remember being, like...
773
00:36:41,201 --> 00:36:43,661
One, I was like, "Oh, my God,
somebody knows."
774
00:36:43,662 --> 00:36:45,288
- Mm-hmm.
- [Demi] Like, "Fuck."
775
00:36:45,289 --> 00:36:48,332
But two, I was, like, really grateful
that you were there for me.
776
00:36:48,333 --> 00:36:51,085
Yeah, and I felt that support mutually
777
00:36:51,086 --> 00:36:53,380
- and feeling like we ha... we know...
- [Demi] Yeah.
778
00:36:54,131 --> 00:36:57,049
We know that what we're dealing with
at the surface level
779
00:36:57,050 --> 00:37:00,386
is just one part of the story
of what we're going through each day.
780
00:37:00,387 --> 00:37:03,639
Do you remember doing, like,
the photo shoots that we did
781
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,727
- for the teen magazines?
- [Demi] Yes, like, like Popstar!
782
00:37:07,728 --> 00:37:10,188
- And Tiger Beat.
- [Alyson] Yeah. I remember they removed
783
00:37:10,189 --> 00:37:13,983
every line and airbrushed under my eyes,
784
00:37:13,984 --> 00:37:16,944
almost not recognizing myself,
and then immediately going,
785
00:37:16,945 --> 00:37:20,948
"I didn't know that those things
were wrong with me before."
786
00:37:20,949 --> 00:37:24,160
And that, like, stuck with me, you know,
787
00:37:24,161 --> 00:37:26,662
for all the subsequent
photo shoots of, like,
788
00:37:26,663 --> 00:37:31,459
"Oh, I know that in post,
they're gonna fix these five things."
789
00:37:31,460 --> 00:37:32,627
[♪ gentle music playing]
790
00:37:32,628 --> 00:37:34,045
You see yourself, and you're like,
791
00:37:34,046 --> 00:37:36,214
- "Oh, my gosh, this is amazing."
- [Demi] Yeah.
792
00:37:36,215 --> 00:37:39,675
[Alyson] "I look perfect," you know?
And then I look in the mirror,
793
00:37:39,676 --> 00:37:41,928
- and I'm like, "Wait, what?" Like...
- [Demi] Yeah.
794
00:37:41,929 --> 00:37:44,972
It's definitely caused
a lot of self-esteem
795
00:37:44,973 --> 00:37:46,892
and self-confidence issues.
796
00:37:47,434 --> 00:37:49,810
- Hey, guys! It's me, Demi.
- Hello. And Alyson.
797
00:37:49,811 --> 00:37:51,687
Yes, and guess where we are?
798
00:37:51,688 --> 00:37:53,564
- London!
- [Demi] Yeah, you see the flag?
799
00:37:53,565 --> 00:37:57,235
[Alyson]
The Camp Rock press junket in Europe
800
00:37:57,236 --> 00:38:02,657
- was a really, really dark time for me...
- Yeah.
801
00:38:02,658 --> 00:38:05,201
- ...with my eating disorder.
- Mm-hmm.
802
00:38:05,202 --> 00:38:07,537
And I remember specifically
803
00:38:07,538 --> 00:38:10,289
feeling terrified of my appearance
804
00:38:10,290 --> 00:38:12,917
and being in very, very,
very obsessive behaviors
805
00:38:12,918 --> 00:38:15,253
before the press started
806
00:38:15,254 --> 00:38:17,296
and knowing we, we were both
807
00:38:17,297 --> 00:38:19,131
- going through a lot.
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
808
00:38:19,132 --> 00:38:21,884
And you know, on the outside,
then people were like, "That was amazing!
809
00:38:21,885 --> 00:38:25,263
Look how great you look!"
And we're like, "You have no idea
810
00:38:25,264 --> 00:38:26,931
what's going on right now."
811
00:38:26,932 --> 00:38:29,934
[Demi] Yeah. It was a way to take
control of the situation.
812
00:38:29,935 --> 00:38:32,645
[Alyson]
Yes, and sometimes also understanding
813
00:38:32,646 --> 00:38:35,481
that is the only sense of safety
and control that you have.
814
00:38:35,482 --> 00:38:39,194
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
- It was just like, "I was trained to be
815
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,489
"at your beck and call,
and whatever you want from me,
816
00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:44,949
I will provide."
817
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:46,367
[♪ gentle music playing]
818
00:38:46,368 --> 00:38:49,912
[Christina] Definitely being easy
to work with was the ultimate.
819
00:38:49,913 --> 00:38:51,539
You knew you were gonna get the next job
820
00:38:51,540 --> 00:38:54,333
based on how easy you
and your mother were to work with.
821
00:38:54,334 --> 00:38:55,710
[Demi] Yeah.
822
00:38:55,711 --> 00:38:57,753
[Christina]
And then I was pretty easy, too,
823
00:38:57,754 --> 00:38:59,839
because I just so desperately
wanted to be there.
824
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:01,841
The idea of agency was not something
825
00:39:01,842 --> 00:39:04,594
- that was even... You know what I mean?
- Yeah.
826
00:39:04,595 --> 00:39:06,804
Like, it didn't even occur to me,
you know?
827
00:39:06,805 --> 00:39:08,014
- The right to...
- [Demi] Yeah.
828
00:39:08,015 --> 00:39:10,850
The right to argue or say
or disagree and all that stuff
829
00:39:10,851 --> 00:39:13,937
was something that was almost...
Yeah, it was earned.
830
00:39:15,230 --> 00:39:18,233
- [inaudible chatter]
- [♪ muffled music playing]
831
00:39:21,278 --> 00:39:25,948
[Drew] I was pretty convinced that
the more open and available I was,
832
00:39:25,949 --> 00:39:28,242
that makes you better at your job.
833
00:39:28,243 --> 00:39:30,578
- Yeah.
- [Drew] So the memo I got was
834
00:39:30,579 --> 00:39:33,789
your job requirement is to unzip,
835
00:39:33,790 --> 00:39:37,251
metaphorically speaking,
and open yourself up to everything.
836
00:39:37,252 --> 00:39:39,295
- Right.
- I, I didn't know boundaries.
837
00:39:39,296 --> 00:39:41,422
[interviewer] Could you step back
and let us see the dress?
838
00:39:41,423 --> 00:39:43,425
We're doing a story on fashion.
839
00:39:45,219 --> 00:39:48,638
When you turn yourself into a commodity,
840
00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:50,473
you're talking about validation.
841
00:39:50,474 --> 00:39:52,975
You're talking about feeling less than.
842
00:39:52,976 --> 00:39:56,354
You're talking about losing people,
gaining people.
843
00:39:56,355 --> 00:39:59,982
- That's a serious mental game...
- [Demi] Right.
844
00:39:59,983 --> 00:40:03,070
[Drew] ...that you need to have intact
in order to handle it all.
845
00:40:04,404 --> 00:40:07,281
[Demi] I think I became aware of it,
846
00:40:07,282 --> 00:40:11,577
like, it... I started noticing the word
"brand" in conversations,
847
00:40:11,578 --> 00:40:15,289
and it just came into my consciousness
when I was about 15,
848
00:40:15,290 --> 00:40:17,834
whenever I started
working on Disney Channel.
849
00:40:17,835 --> 00:40:21,296
You know, like, "What image am I going
to put out there of myself?"
850
00:40:22,089 --> 00:40:25,592
It's confusing when you start
profiting off of...
851
00:40:26,134 --> 00:40:29,762
your brand,
which you confuse with yourself.
852
00:40:29,763 --> 00:40:31,681
And the m... Like you said,
853
00:40:31,682 --> 00:40:34,059
that's an exhausting part of the industry.
854
00:40:36,562 --> 00:40:38,980
[muffled chatter]
855
00:40:38,981 --> 00:40:40,566
[door opens]
856
00:40:43,151 --> 00:40:45,236
- [Oak Felder] Hey, hey!
- [Demi] Hello. How's it going?
857
00:40:45,237 --> 00:40:46,821
[Oak] I'm chillin'. How are you?
858
00:40:46,822 --> 00:40:50,534
- I'm good. Good to see you.
- [laughs] It's good to see you, too.
859
00:40:52,327 --> 00:40:54,453
[Demi] There's all this pressure
to create a hit song,
860
00:40:54,454 --> 00:40:57,666
and that takes away from the joy of it,
861
00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:01,502
'cause I'm in the studio second-guessing
everything I do and write.
862
00:41:01,503 --> 00:41:04,005
[♪ "Don't Forget" instrumental playing]
863
00:41:04,006 --> 00:41:05,089
♪ We had it all ♪
864
00:41:05,090 --> 00:41:06,549
Dammit, that wasn't good enough.
865
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:07,633
Let me give you another.
866
00:41:07,634 --> 00:41:10,219
[♪ "Don't Forget" resumes playing]
867
00:41:10,220 --> 00:41:11,762
♪ We had it all ♪
868
00:41:11,763 --> 00:41:12,847
Fuck.
869
00:41:12,848 --> 00:41:14,265
Dammit, why are you beating yourself up?
870
00:41:14,266 --> 00:41:15,766
I didn't like that. Let me take a sip.
871
00:41:15,767 --> 00:41:16,851
♪ Ever hold ♪
872
00:41:16,852 --> 00:41:18,394
♪ Ever holding ♪
873
00:41:18,395 --> 00:41:21,397
- ♪ Ever holding my hand ♪
- Is that it?
874
00:41:21,398 --> 00:41:23,566
- Nope, that wasn't it.
- [Oak] Eh, yeah, could've been it, but...
875
00:41:23,567 --> 00:41:26,986
[Demi] Just this cycle that feels
like it's never-ending.
876
00:41:26,987 --> 00:41:31,033
♪ Than we were before, I won't forget ♪
877
00:41:31,992 --> 00:41:33,994
[both sing] ♪ I won't forget ♪
878
00:41:34,745 --> 00:41:36,997
♪ About us ♪
879
00:41:37,581 --> 00:41:39,290
- [♪ music stops]
- Nice. I think we got it.
880
00:41:39,291 --> 00:41:40,917
One more just for shits.
881
00:41:40,918 --> 00:41:42,920
- [♪ Music playing]
- ♪ Did you regret ♪
882
00:41:43,754 --> 00:41:46,464
♪ Ever holding my hand ♪
883
00:41:46,465 --> 00:41:48,508
- ♪ Never forget ♪
- [Oak cheering]
884
00:41:48,509 --> 00:41:50,010
♪ Please, don't forget ♪
885
00:41:51,011 --> 00:41:52,887
- [Oak] What was that?!
- That's pain.
886
00:41:52,888 --> 00:41:56,683
♪ Ever holding my hand, never again ♪
887
00:41:57,726 --> 00:41:58,726
Yeah.
888
00:41:58,727 --> 00:42:01,187
Where it changed for me was I sat down
889
00:42:01,188 --> 00:42:03,774
with my former management when I was 15,
890
00:42:04,733 --> 00:42:08,194
and they said, "Do you have any songs?"
And I played them
891
00:42:08,195 --> 00:42:10,197
five of the songs I'm most proud of,
892
00:42:11,114 --> 00:42:15,117
and they didn't react to them
the way that I was hoping.
893
00:42:15,118 --> 00:42:18,287
They were like, "Those are okay.
894
00:42:18,288 --> 00:42:21,249
"Um, let's get you in the studio with
895
00:42:21,250 --> 00:42:24,837
such-and-such artists and writers."
896
00:42:25,838 --> 00:42:29,341
And that, to me, chipped away
897
00:42:30,342 --> 00:42:34,388
at that raw connection to music.
898
00:42:36,974 --> 00:42:38,976
Obviously, my ego was hurt.
899
00:42:41,436 --> 00:42:43,312
It chipped away at my confidence,
900
00:42:43,313 --> 00:42:47,316
and I never turned to music
the same way again.
901
00:42:47,317 --> 00:42:49,402
[quiet static]
902
00:42:49,403 --> 00:42:50,903
[announcer] They've got the looks,
903
00:42:50,904 --> 00:42:52,780
personality, and talent
to land feature roles
904
00:42:52,781 --> 00:42:55,032
on some of TV's hottest shows.
905
00:42:55,033 --> 00:42:59,662
In the '80s, all of sudden you start
having more and more of these child actors
906
00:42:59,663 --> 00:43:00,997
who are becoming stars.
907
00:43:00,998 --> 00:43:05,543
Their formative years are completely
and totally impacted
908
00:43:05,544 --> 00:43:07,837
by their being in show business.
909
00:43:07,838 --> 00:43:09,755
It's fun, and it's big bucks.
910
00:43:09,756 --> 00:43:10,965
[TV host] Yes, big bucks.
911
00:43:10,966 --> 00:43:13,926
4-year-old Cosby Show cutie
Raven-Symoné and her father
912
00:43:13,927 --> 00:43:16,304
say that's exactly why
she's in this business.
913
00:43:16,305 --> 00:43:19,015
This is fun, but it's also a job,
914
00:43:19,016 --> 00:43:21,684
and she does this to get what?
915
00:43:21,685 --> 00:43:25,271
- [Raven-Symoné] Mm, paid.
- Exactly. Um, there's...
916
00:43:25,272 --> 00:43:27,940
[chuckles] there's, uh, um, college
917
00:43:27,941 --> 00:43:30,234
and things that she wants,
so forth like that.
918
00:43:30,235 --> 00:43:32,320
[Demi] When did you realize it was work?
919
00:43:32,321 --> 00:43:33,779
I knew it was work immediately.
920
00:43:33,780 --> 00:43:35,948
My parents made sure
that I understood that this was a job.
921
00:43:35,949 --> 00:43:37,783
I get paid for it, and you do...
922
00:43:37,784 --> 00:43:39,076
You show up professionally.
923
00:43:39,077 --> 00:43:42,371
At what age do you start
to fathom what money is?
924
00:43:42,372 --> 00:43:45,041
When you're told how much you're getting
paid for the job that you do.
925
00:43:45,042 --> 00:43:48,169
So, I knew at 3 how much I was making,
and I understood that this was a job.
926
00:43:48,170 --> 00:43:50,505
If you lose it, you don't make...
you don't make the money.
927
00:43:50,506 --> 00:43:54,550
Right. When did you realize
you were the breadwinner for your family?
928
00:43:54,551 --> 00:43:56,427
We call it a family business.
929
00:43:56,428 --> 00:43:58,471
- Right.
- [Raven] Everybody has a job
930
00:43:58,472 --> 00:44:00,806
- within the family business.
- [Demi] Okay.
931
00:44:00,807 --> 00:44:04,144
So, nobody likes to say one person
is the breadwinner or not.
932
00:44:05,229 --> 00:44:07,438
- [Demi] Right.
- Read through those lines.
933
00:44:07,439 --> 00:44:09,857
- [Oprah Winfrey] Oh, Raven!
- [audience clapping, cheering]
934
00:44:09,858 --> 00:44:12,318
Hi! How are you?
935
00:44:12,319 --> 00:44:14,655
- [Raven] Good.
- [Oprah laughs]
936
00:44:15,614 --> 00:44:17,907
[laughing] Hi!
937
00:44:17,908 --> 00:44:20,701
[Raven] Booking The Cosby Show,
I mean, I can only imagine
938
00:44:20,702 --> 00:44:24,206
the excitement within the family dynamic.
939
00:44:24,498 --> 00:44:26,457
Cousins, grandmas, and aunties.
940
00:44:26,458 --> 00:44:28,042
Tell me how you got this job.
941
00:44:28,043 --> 00:44:31,712
[Raven] Cosby Show was the number-one
television show in America
942
00:44:31,713 --> 00:44:35,299
especially with an African-American cast
and so influential
943
00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:38,135
within the fabric of society.
Um, you know,
944
00:44:38,136 --> 00:44:41,013
a young girl from Atlanta, Georgia.
945
00:44:41,014 --> 00:44:42,890
Good luck to you, Raven.
It's so nice to have you.
946
00:44:42,891 --> 00:44:44,892
- So nice to have you, too.
- [laughs] Thank you.
947
00:44:44,893 --> 00:44:48,605
I mean, that's the dream
of so many Black people at that time.
948
00:44:50,023 --> 00:44:53,067
From the age of 16 months,
I knew that my job
949
00:44:53,068 --> 00:44:54,694
was to entertain other people.
950
00:44:54,695 --> 00:44:57,321
- I mean, that's a mind thing in itself.
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
951
00:44:57,322 --> 00:44:58,573
- [Raven] You know?
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
952
00:44:58,574 --> 00:45:00,283
[Raven] One of the youngest Black females
953
00:45:00,284 --> 00:45:03,494
to have a show named after them
is a lot of pressure.
954
00:45:03,495 --> 00:45:05,037
Yep, that's me!
955
00:45:05,038 --> 00:45:08,583
Sometimes, though, the parents' dreams
956
00:45:08,584 --> 00:45:11,169
- might bleed into the child's...
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
957
00:45:11,170 --> 00:45:13,629
[Raven] ...and you get so enmeshed,
you know?
958
00:45:13,630 --> 00:45:15,006
[Demi] Mm-hmm.
959
00:45:15,007 --> 00:45:18,176
Parents forget that children,
960
00:45:18,177 --> 00:45:21,345
young kids,
are performing for their parent.
961
00:45:21,346 --> 00:45:22,471
[Demi] Mm-hmm.
962
00:45:22,472 --> 00:45:25,725
They're performing for their parents'
love and affection...
963
00:45:25,726 --> 00:45:27,685
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
- ...and their "Good job!"
964
00:45:27,686 --> 00:45:29,270
And yes, it's a lot of money.
965
00:45:29,271 --> 00:45:32,274
It's a lot of money,
and money does crazy shit.
966
00:45:32,900 --> 00:45:35,693
♪
967
00:45:35,694 --> 00:45:38,905
[news reel narrator] It's 1920,
and Jackie arrives in Los Angeles,
968
00:45:38,906 --> 00:45:41,949
acting very much the role
of popular movie star,
969
00:45:41,950 --> 00:45:44,286
but he's still a little boy to grownups.
970
00:45:45,871 --> 00:45:49,540
[Leah]
Jackie Coogan was one of the most famous
971
00:45:49,541 --> 00:45:51,751
child actors in American history.
972
00:45:51,752 --> 00:45:56,297
He made very good money
performing alongside Charlie Chaplin,
973
00:45:56,298 --> 00:45:58,841
but he actually wasn't able
974
00:45:58,842 --> 00:46:03,137
to access the bulk of his own money
upon becoming an adult.
975
00:46:03,138 --> 00:46:07,725
His parents had frittered away
what should have been millions.
976
00:46:07,726 --> 00:46:10,812
[♪ cinematic music playing]
977
00:46:21,156 --> 00:46:24,033
So, California passed the first Coogan Law
978
00:46:24,034 --> 00:46:28,621
that required that there be
some percentage of money
979
00:46:28,622 --> 00:46:31,582
for a child actor set aside in a trust.
980
00:46:31,583 --> 00:46:33,626
So, in those states where they do exist,
981
00:46:33,627 --> 00:46:38,798
Coogan Laws are really important
for child entertainers.
982
00:46:38,799 --> 00:46:41,510
In Florida, they didn't have the same kind
of labor laws or whatever.
983
00:46:42,594 --> 00:46:45,137
My mom met this dude, I think, like,
984
00:46:45,138 --> 00:46:47,056
somewhere through the community,
like, either church
985
00:46:47,057 --> 00:46:50,226
or just neighborhood shit,
like, a book club or something, like,
986
00:46:50,227 --> 00:46:54,230
who claimed to be a good,
you know, kinda tax accountant.
987
00:46:54,231 --> 00:46:56,148
Like, will get you out of, like,
your tax problems
988
00:46:56,149 --> 00:46:57,943
for, like, the cheap or whatever.
989
00:46:58,485 --> 00:47:01,195
Um, but, he was basically a con artist
990
00:47:01,196 --> 00:47:03,657
and, like, ran away with,
like, my entire, like,
991
00:47:04,533 --> 00:47:06,868
biggest earnings up to that point,
you know what I mean?
992
00:47:06,869 --> 00:47:09,787
So, by the time it was discovered,
993
00:47:09,788 --> 00:47:12,665
it was towards the end
of that Nickelodeon tenure
994
00:47:12,666 --> 00:47:17,044
and the end of, you know,
the job-to-job, you know, existence
995
00:47:17,045 --> 00:47:20,965
that I had at that point.
And it was, it was devastating
996
00:47:20,966 --> 00:47:23,050
because I, like, discovered it
997
00:47:23,051 --> 00:47:24,969
in front of others,
you know what I'm saying?
998
00:47:24,970 --> 00:47:28,347
Like, I was going to buy a house
in, you know, Atlanta,
999
00:47:28,348 --> 00:47:29,557
like, my first home kinda shit,
1000
00:47:29,558 --> 00:47:32,894
and then he didn't show up with
the fuckin' check, you know what I mean?
1001
00:47:32,895 --> 00:47:34,687
I'm in these, like,
real estate people's office,
1002
00:47:34,688 --> 00:47:36,272
like, waiting to sign this paperwork,
1003
00:47:36,273 --> 00:47:38,316
and he doesn't bring
the check kinda thing.
1004
00:47:38,317 --> 00:47:40,693
- Uh-huh.
- [Kenan] It's crazy, going from
1005
00:47:40,694 --> 00:47:43,487
rags to riches and back to rags.
It's a motherfucker.
1006
00:47:43,488 --> 00:47:46,950
- [♪ gentle music playing]
- [audience applause]
1007
00:47:49,077 --> 00:47:52,289
[Alyson] It wasn't until the early '20s,
I was touring my original music.
1008
00:47:53,415 --> 00:47:56,083
One of the dancers I brought with me said
1009
00:47:56,084 --> 00:47:57,627
the check bounced,
1010
00:47:57,628 --> 00:48:01,423
uh, when I paid them out weekly.
And I was like,
1011
00:48:02,508 --> 00:48:06,219
"This is impossible because
I've been working since I was 7,
1012
00:48:06,220 --> 00:48:09,430
and I don't spend any money ever."
1013
00:48:09,431 --> 00:48:12,266
And I uncovered
1014
00:48:12,267 --> 00:48:15,062
that people in my...
1015
00:48:17,189 --> 00:48:20,816
surrounding network had been taking money
1016
00:48:20,817 --> 00:48:22,485
- without me knowing...
- [Demi] Mm.
1017
00:48:22,486 --> 00:48:23,903
...for years.
1018
00:48:23,904 --> 00:48:26,531
[♪ gentle music playing]
1019
00:48:26,532 --> 00:48:28,741
[Chris Columbus]
I came from a working-class family,
1020
00:48:28,742 --> 00:48:30,743
and I've seen it
a couple of times with kids
1021
00:48:30,744 --> 00:48:32,745
when we see someone who comes
from a working-class family,
1022
00:48:32,746 --> 00:48:34,163
and suddenly, they're thrown into,
1023
00:48:34,164 --> 00:48:36,541
the kid becomes
the breadwinner for the family.
1024
00:48:36,542 --> 00:48:38,377
Particularly if you're doing a franchise.
1025
00:48:39,211 --> 00:48:41,587
We went from shooting Home Alone one,
1026
00:48:41,588 --> 00:48:44,382
nobody cared, but in the course of a year,
1027
00:48:44,383 --> 00:48:46,759
Macaulay Culkin became a huge star,
1028
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,553
and that was unexpected.
1029
00:48:48,554 --> 00:48:50,681
It's not like Harry Potter where you know
1030
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,850
that it may be extraordinarily successful.
1031
00:48:53,851 --> 00:48:56,060
[kids screaming]
1032
00:48:56,061 --> 00:48:58,437
[reporter]
The new Harry Potter film are looking
1033
00:48:58,438 --> 00:49:00,648
for children to play the three main roles.
1034
00:49:00,649 --> 00:49:02,817
[Chris Columbus] The first Potter film,
in terms of casting,
1035
00:49:02,818 --> 00:49:04,569
it was very intense.
1036
00:49:04,570 --> 00:49:08,781
I had to put blinders on because
that's all I was hearing, everywhere.
1037
00:49:08,782 --> 00:49:11,367
You know, you go out on the street,
you go into a pub, you go anywhere,
1038
00:49:11,368 --> 00:49:13,035
and people are saying,
"Who are you gonna cast?
1039
00:49:13,036 --> 00:49:15,079
Who's gonna be Harry Potter?
Who's gonna be Harry Potter?"
1040
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,248
And that, you take that information,
1041
00:49:17,249 --> 00:49:19,292
and you bring it back to the actor
and the actor's parents.
1042
00:49:19,293 --> 00:49:22,378
- [chaperone] Gentlemen, this is Rupert.
- [host] Hi, Rupert!
1043
00:49:22,379 --> 00:49:23,796
- [chaperone] This is Daniel.
- Hi, Daniel.
1044
00:49:23,797 --> 00:49:24,964
[chaperone] And this is Emma.
1045
00:49:24,965 --> 00:49:26,215
This is gonna get pretty intense.
1046
00:49:26,216 --> 00:49:28,134
[reporter]
Daniel, are you going to be a, a saver?
1047
00:49:28,135 --> 00:49:30,136
[♪ soft music playing]
1048
00:49:30,137 --> 00:49:33,223
- Probably. Um...
- [group laughs]
1049
00:49:34,850 --> 00:49:37,435
I... No, I don't have any idea.
1050
00:49:37,436 --> 00:49:38,936
[quiet laughter]
1051
00:49:38,937 --> 00:49:40,605
[interviewer 1] You nervous?
1052
00:49:40,606 --> 00:49:42,648
Yeah, very! I'm, like, so totally nervous.
1053
00:49:42,649 --> 00:49:44,525
[interviewer 1]
It's your first day. How does it feel?
1054
00:49:44,526 --> 00:49:46,195
It feels absolutely fantastic.
1055
00:49:46,987 --> 00:49:48,237
Now, see?
1056
00:49:48,238 --> 00:49:50,907
I just felt a tremendous
responsibility to the actors,
1057
00:49:50,908 --> 00:49:52,783
that they knew what
they were getting into.
1058
00:49:52,784 --> 00:49:56,078
[Emma Watson] Yeah, insanely nervous.
The amount of people here is amazing.
1059
00:49:56,079 --> 00:49:58,915
[interviewer 2] You're really getting the
Hollywood superstar treatment out there.
1060
00:49:58,916 --> 00:50:02,001
Yeah, it was, um, weird,
but really, really cool.
1061
00:50:02,002 --> 00:50:05,421
[Chris Columbus] Kids signed for...
on for, like, five movies.
1062
00:50:05,422 --> 00:50:08,425
That's the rest of your life
as a child star.
1063
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,303
[interviewer 3]
Well, chaps, six down, two to go.
1064
00:50:12,012 --> 00:50:14,305
[Chris Columbus]
That's gonna be your legacy,
1065
00:50:14,306 --> 00:50:16,725
and you have to learn
how to live with that.
1066
00:50:20,938 --> 00:50:23,731
When I was young, I had some pretty...
1067
00:50:23,732 --> 00:50:26,317
rough experiences
with other films that I had done.
1068
00:50:26,318 --> 00:50:27,985
We would use a dolly shot.
1069
00:50:27,986 --> 00:50:29,820
Yeah, what should I do here?
1070
00:50:29,821 --> 00:50:31,948
- Do a dolly shot. Yeah.
- You think so?
1071
00:50:31,949 --> 00:50:34,325
- I don't know. Do you... Really? Okay.
- Yeah. Yeah.
1072
00:50:34,326 --> 00:50:36,911
- And what about after this?
- Mm...
1073
00:50:36,912 --> 00:50:40,831
Once we wrapped,
I, I didn't know what was going on.
1074
00:50:40,832 --> 00:50:43,919
[♪ quiet music playing]
1075
00:50:46,421 --> 00:50:52,009
Suddenly, I realized that parents
had to be a big part of it.
1076
00:50:52,010 --> 00:50:55,513
I can't have him go home
to a really sort of shaky environment
1077
00:50:55,514 --> 00:50:57,765
for the sake of a film. It's not worth it.
1078
00:50:57,766 --> 00:51:01,269
It was as important to cast the parents
as it was to cast the kids.
1079
00:51:01,270 --> 00:51:03,437
You're supposed to be interviewing me,
but I'm just curious. Is it...
1080
00:51:03,438 --> 00:51:05,523
Did you have people supporting you
1081
00:51:05,524 --> 00:51:07,817
- who wanted to...
- [Demi] I think my...
1082
00:51:07,818 --> 00:51:09,610
I love my parents to death,
1083
00:51:09,611 --> 00:51:12,196
but they didn't know how
to manage that situation.
1084
00:51:12,197 --> 00:51:14,115
- Right.
- You know, it's a very tricky situation
1085
00:51:14,116 --> 00:51:16,075
when I'm the breadwinner.
1086
00:51:16,076 --> 00:51:18,411
- Yeah.
- And, um, and my parents,
1087
00:51:18,412 --> 00:51:20,455
- there was no manual on what to do.
- Mm-hmm.
1088
00:51:22,374 --> 00:51:24,500
[Dianna] There was one trip that we took,
1089
00:51:24,501 --> 00:51:28,171
she was doing a show
with the Jonas Brothers one night,
1090
00:51:28,172 --> 00:51:31,549
and we'd had interviews
and photo shoots and everything all day.
1091
00:51:31,550 --> 00:51:34,594
And she was about to go out
1092
00:51:34,595 --> 00:51:36,387
on stage, and she said,
1093
00:51:36,388 --> 00:51:39,640
"I just need five minutes, Mama. I need
five minutes. I just need to sleep."
1094
00:51:39,641 --> 00:51:41,642
[muffled cheering]
1095
00:51:41,643 --> 00:51:44,604
And I remember trying to wake her up.
1096
00:51:44,605 --> 00:51:47,982
She couldn't open her eyes,
and I started crying,
1097
00:51:47,983 --> 00:51:49,817
and then she started crying.
1098
00:51:49,818 --> 00:51:53,237
And here she's about to have
to go out on stage. But, it was just,
1099
00:51:53,238 --> 00:51:55,281
for me as a mom,
1100
00:51:55,282 --> 00:51:58,493
that's when I vowed to say,
1101
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:01,663
"Hey, she's proven herself now.
1102
00:52:02,956 --> 00:52:05,708
"Can we pull back a little bit?
1103
00:52:05,709 --> 00:52:08,753
"And that's all I'm asking.
We're not asking not to do our job.
1104
00:52:08,754 --> 00:52:10,880
"We're just saying, you know,
can we get her
1105
00:52:10,881 --> 00:52:13,884
a little more sleep when she gets there?"
That kind of thing.
1106
00:52:14,843 --> 00:52:17,178
[Demi] I was a teenager,
and I was just exhausted.
1107
00:52:17,179 --> 00:52:19,847
- I was being worked into the ground.
- [Chris Columbus] Right.
1108
00:52:19,848 --> 00:52:23,309
We were all just kind of flapping around,
1109
00:52:23,310 --> 00:52:25,853
- figuring out how to swim, you know?
- Yeah.
1110
00:52:25,854 --> 00:52:27,438
- [CD drive whirs]
- [♪ upbeat music playing]
1111
00:52:27,439 --> 00:52:30,733
[Demi]
It started out me booking Camp Rock,
1112
00:52:30,734 --> 00:52:32,527
filming Camp Rock,
1113
00:52:32,528 --> 00:52:34,779
and then going back to LA,
1114
00:52:34,780 --> 00:52:37,198
filming a season of my TV show.
Actually, no.
1115
00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:39,325
- [audio scrubbing]
- I filmed Camp Rock.
1116
00:52:39,326 --> 00:52:41,536
Then, I worked on my album.
1117
00:52:41,537 --> 00:52:44,830
I wrote it, recorded it
within about a month.
1118
00:52:44,831 --> 00:52:47,875
And then, I went on tour. After tour,
1119
00:52:47,876 --> 00:52:50,629
I filmed a season of my TV show
Sonny with a Chance.
1120
00:52:51,713 --> 00:52:56,050
Then, I filmed
Princess Protection Program.
1121
00:52:56,051 --> 00:52:57,468
After Princess Protection Program,
1122
00:52:57,469 --> 00:52:59,887
I started making another album.
1123
00:52:59,888 --> 00:53:02,932
Then, I toured.
Then, I filmed Camp Rock 2.
1124
00:53:02,933 --> 00:53:06,018
I worked on another album,
another season of my TV show.
1125
00:53:06,019 --> 00:53:09,272
It was back to back to back to back.
1126
00:53:09,273 --> 00:53:11,274
♪
1127
00:53:11,275 --> 00:53:14,360
Nobody really knew how
to stop the machine.
1128
00:53:14,361 --> 00:53:16,654
The, the train just kept moving.
1129
00:53:16,655 --> 00:53:18,656
Like, it was, there were never any pauses.
1130
00:53:18,657 --> 00:53:22,201
I've been touring almost
every day since June 1st,
1131
00:53:22,202 --> 00:53:24,328
which I don't know the day today.
1132
00:53:24,329 --> 00:53:27,665
But, it is, like, the 5th of September.
1133
00:53:27,666 --> 00:53:30,251
Could be the 5th September today.
I don't know.
1134
00:53:30,252 --> 00:53:34,298
♪ Machine... ♪
1135
00:53:36,967 --> 00:53:38,718
It burnt me out.
1136
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,929
♪ Machine! ♪
1137
00:53:41,805 --> 00:53:44,765
♪ Machine! ♪
1138
00:53:44,766 --> 00:53:47,435
♪ I won't change anything of my life ♪
1139
00:53:47,436 --> 00:53:50,314
- [crowd screaming]
- [banging on car]
1140
00:53:55,986 --> 00:53:57,988
[indistinct chatter]
1141
00:53:59,948 --> 00:54:01,949
There was one time
where I was in my tour bus,
1142
00:54:01,950 --> 00:54:05,036
and I looked out the window,
and there were fans chasing the bus,
1143
00:54:05,037 --> 00:54:06,996
and they were screaming,
and they were so excited
1144
00:54:06,997 --> 00:54:09,707
that my bus was showing up to the venue.
1145
00:54:09,708 --> 00:54:11,876
And I was just crying.
1146
00:54:11,877 --> 00:54:14,462
Like, I could not stop crying.
1147
00:54:14,463 --> 00:54:16,964
Like, "Why am I living my dream
and doing what I love
1148
00:54:16,965 --> 00:54:18,674
"and have these opportunities
in front of me,
1149
00:54:18,675 --> 00:54:21,719
but I'm so fucking unhappy?"
1150
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:23,888
I would always feel so gross about myself.
1151
00:54:23,889 --> 00:54:27,058
- [fans screaming]
- I knew that being on Disney Channel,
1152
00:54:27,059 --> 00:54:29,185
I was in a coveted position
1153
00:54:29,186 --> 00:54:32,897
that millions of people would
trade me in a heartbeat,
1154
00:54:32,898 --> 00:54:36,108
and just, I felt like
I was taking it for granted.
1155
00:54:36,109 --> 00:54:38,069
But really, I was just...
1156
00:54:38,070 --> 00:54:40,154
just a teenager that was struggling.
1157
00:54:40,155 --> 00:54:43,075
[screaming continues]
1158
00:54:43,450 --> 00:54:45,868
Hi, how's it going?
1159
00:54:45,869 --> 00:54:49,830
Do you guys have any questions for me?
I would love to answer them.
1160
00:54:49,831 --> 00:54:51,541
"What's it like to be living my dream?"
1161
00:54:51,542 --> 00:54:54,585
Um, I am living my dream.
1162
00:54:54,586 --> 00:54:57,338
I don't think I could be
asking to do anything else.
1163
00:54:57,339 --> 00:54:59,257
I'm, like, having the
best time in my life,
1164
00:54:59,258 --> 00:55:01,217
and I...
1165
00:55:01,218 --> 00:55:03,678
I love it so much. It's incredible.
1166
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:06,764
Camp Rock, I remember a lot more than I do
1167
00:55:06,765 --> 00:55:08,015
- Camp Rock 2.
- [Alyson] Camp Rock 2.
1168
00:55:08,016 --> 00:55:10,227
And there were, like,
entire projects that...
1169
00:55:11,061 --> 00:55:14,856
- it was like, "Oh! That film." Like...
- [Demi] Yeah. Yeah.
1170
00:55:14,857 --> 00:55:16,649
Disassociation.
1171
00:55:16,650 --> 00:55:19,861
It's, like, a common thread between...
1172
00:55:19,862 --> 00:55:21,571
- All of us. Yep.
- All of us.
1173
00:55:21,572 --> 00:55:24,782
Please welcome 10-year-old
hip-hop dancer Alyson Stoner.
1174
00:55:24,783 --> 00:55:28,370
- [audience cheering]
- [♪ hip-hop music playing]
1175
00:55:29,955 --> 00:55:32,623
- Congratulations on the, uh, on the video.
- [Alyson] Thank you.
1176
00:55:32,624 --> 00:55:33,875
Best Video of the Year.
1177
00:55:33,876 --> 00:55:34,959
Yes, that was very exciting.
1178
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:36,794
[Ellen Degeneres]
I'll bet is was exciting!
1179
00:55:36,795 --> 00:55:38,045
Yes, it was, it was.
1180
00:55:38,046 --> 00:55:40,506
♪ I put my thang down,
flip it and reverse it ♪
1181
00:55:40,507 --> 00:55:42,341
[♪ singing in reverse]
1182
00:55:42,342 --> 00:55:44,802
I know I started dancing
around 3 years old,
1183
00:55:44,803 --> 00:55:47,890
and I just went straight to, like,
1184
00:55:48,557 --> 00:55:50,558
treating it like work,
1185
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:53,227
and so I think I was dissociated
1186
00:55:53,228 --> 00:55:55,062
kind of throughout the whole journey.
1187
00:55:55,063 --> 00:55:56,230
[audience cheering]
1188
00:55:56,231 --> 00:55:59,233
On the outside,
you look like everything's okay.
1189
00:55:59,234 --> 00:56:01,736
- [Demi] Yeah.
- And then years later,
1190
00:56:01,737 --> 00:56:04,238
you can't remember a thing.
1191
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:05,364
[audio warbles]
1192
00:56:05,365 --> 00:56:08,076
[♪ gentle music playing]
1193
00:56:12,331 --> 00:56:14,207
- You've been working!
- [giggles] Yes!
1194
00:56:14,208 --> 00:56:16,626
[Raven] The first time I was
in front of a professional camera,
1195
00:56:16,627 --> 00:56:18,544
I was 16 months old.
1196
00:56:18,545 --> 00:56:20,379
- [Demi] Sixteen...
- Do I remember it? Fuck no.
1197
00:56:20,380 --> 00:56:22,048
[both laughing]
1198
00:56:22,049 --> 00:56:25,009
Do I have the picture of it? Yes.
I'm, like, shirtless like this,
1199
00:56:25,010 --> 00:56:28,138
and my hair is big and fluffy,
but, um, I do not remember it.
1200
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,599
- ♪ You got the right one, baby ♪
- [audience laughs]
1201
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,476
- Do you remember working on the show?
- [mouthing]
1202
00:56:33,477 --> 00:56:35,603
[Demi] No. Okay, wow.
1203
00:56:35,604 --> 00:56:38,105
It's disappearing every single day.
Back in the day,
1204
00:56:38,106 --> 00:56:41,317
probably if you would've asked me that
when I was 13, my answer was,
1205
00:56:41,318 --> 00:56:44,070
"I remember what the floor looked like.
I remember the smells."
1206
00:56:44,071 --> 00:56:46,614
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
- But even that is a recall from a recall.
1207
00:56:46,615 --> 00:56:48,908
Like, nothing is a pure memory right now.
1208
00:56:48,909 --> 00:56:50,952
I also wanna talk about that a little bit.
1209
00:56:50,953 --> 00:56:53,079
Like, 'cause I don't...
1210
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,331
You guest starred on my show
Sonny with a Chance.
1211
00:56:55,332 --> 00:56:56,415
Yes, I did.
1212
00:56:56,416 --> 00:56:58,835
I've completed my own investigation!
1213
00:56:58,836 --> 00:57:01,337
And my own conclusion is that you
1214
00:57:01,338 --> 00:57:03,714
- are a wackadoodle-doo.
- [audience laughter]
1215
00:57:03,715 --> 00:57:05,466
I'm a wackadoodle-who?
1216
00:57:05,467 --> 00:57:06,634
Doo!
1217
00:57:06,635 --> 00:57:08,177
- What?!
- Whoa, hey! Okay, girls, girls, girls.
1218
00:57:08,178 --> 00:57:09,762
When we first got on the phone
1219
00:57:09,763 --> 00:57:13,099
to talk about this project,
you were like...
1220
00:57:13,100 --> 00:57:15,184
I was like, "I watched you
on That's so Raven,
1221
00:57:15,185 --> 00:57:18,396
such an inspiration." You were like,
"Bitch, I was on your show."
1222
00:57:18,397 --> 00:57:21,107
- [Raven laughing]
- And I was like, "Oh, my God, she was!"
1223
00:57:21,108 --> 00:57:22,817
- [Raven] Yeah.
- And I...
1224
00:57:22,818 --> 00:57:25,987
But it was part of my disassociation
that I don't even remember
1225
00:57:25,988 --> 00:57:28,322
- so much of my show that I was on.
- [Raven] Yeah.
1226
00:57:28,323 --> 00:57:30,658
But I do remember how
difficult I was to work with
1227
00:57:30,659 --> 00:57:32,827
because I was in so much pain,
and I was hurting.
1228
00:57:32,828 --> 00:57:36,330
- I mean, you weren't the nicest person.
- [Demi] Right.
1229
00:57:36,331 --> 00:57:40,377
You weren't like, "Welcome!" You know?
You weren't doing that. But,
1230
00:57:41,503 --> 00:57:43,796
being the type of person I am
1231
00:57:43,797 --> 00:57:46,424
and that I've been in the industry
for as long as you,
1232
00:57:46,425 --> 00:57:49,844
and I understand
the glaze over the eyes...
1233
00:57:49,845 --> 00:57:51,345
Mm.
1234
00:57:51,346 --> 00:57:52,889
[Raven] ...I didn't hold it against you.
1235
00:57:52,890 --> 00:57:54,098
- [Demi] Yeah.
- I just was like,
1236
00:57:54,099 --> 00:57:56,726
"Something's going on there."
1237
00:57:56,727 --> 00:57:58,686
- [crowd chattering]
- We love you!
1238
00:57:58,687 --> 00:58:01,439
[Demi] Aw, thank you. There we go.
1239
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,525
- Uh, I took your pen. Sorry.
- [cheering]
1240
00:58:04,526 --> 00:58:06,819
It just kind of happened so fast.
1241
00:58:06,820 --> 00:58:11,158
Our stars have become true global
megastars since the first movie.
1242
00:58:11,909 --> 00:58:13,951
[Brooks] It must be overwhelming,
1243
00:58:13,952 --> 00:58:18,831
and a lot of these kids
come from normal backgrounds,
1244
00:58:18,832 --> 00:58:22,418
and the pressure can be
absolutely excruciating
1245
00:58:22,419 --> 00:58:25,422
to the point that some
don't cope all that well.
1246
00:58:28,050 --> 00:58:30,718
[Demi] I felt like more of
an equal when I did Camp Rock
1247
00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:32,929
because the first one,
we were all at The Grand.
1248
00:58:32,930 --> 00:58:36,307
- Okay, the memories are flooding! Um...
- [Demi laughs]
1249
00:58:36,308 --> 00:58:39,185
I do know that we had
a bunch of cast dinners
1250
00:58:39,186 --> 00:58:40,770
- at the restaurant.
- [Demi] Yes.
1251
00:58:40,771 --> 00:58:43,272
[♪ gentle music playing]
1252
00:58:43,273 --> 00:58:47,152
Then, my career exploded,
1253
00:58:48,445 --> 00:58:51,615
and all of a sudden,
I was staying at the Four Seasons.
1254
00:58:53,534 --> 00:58:58,663
There was definitely a power dynamic
and a shift in that.
1255
00:58:58,664 --> 00:59:01,374
When the second movie came,
it felt really validating
1256
00:59:01,375 --> 00:59:05,211
because I had been leveled up,
but I was trading connection for success.
1257
00:59:05,212 --> 00:59:07,339
[crowd cheering]
1258
00:59:07,923 --> 00:59:12,927
[Alyson] I remember that it felt so hard
to access you in that way.
1259
00:59:12,928 --> 00:59:15,596
- [Demi] Oh yeah.
- Like, we had lost that thread of trust.
1260
00:59:15,597 --> 00:59:18,391
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
- We had lost that closeness.
1261
00:59:18,392 --> 00:59:20,643
It didn't seem maybe like you wanted
1262
00:59:20,644 --> 00:59:22,687
- to be reached either at that point.
- Mm-hmm.
1263
00:59:22,688 --> 00:59:27,401
And so, the last few years
of working together
1264
00:59:28,151 --> 00:59:30,153
felt really challenging.
1265
00:59:31,113 --> 00:59:36,451
The... treatment did feel
drastically different.
1266
00:59:38,412 --> 00:59:41,497
[long sigh]
1267
00:59:41,498 --> 00:59:43,375
[weak laugh]
1268
00:59:44,459 --> 00:59:48,546
- My heart is racing.
- [Demi] [laughs] Oh, no!
1269
00:59:48,547 --> 00:59:53,843
Um, I do remember, you know,
a sense of walking on eggshells.
1270
00:59:53,844 --> 00:59:56,972
- Mm-hmm.
- And so there was definitely, like,
1271
00:59:57,723 --> 01:00:00,892
f... a lot of fear of a blow-up.
1272
01:00:00,893 --> 01:00:03,060
I'm just trying to get stuff done,
but if you guys don't care...
1273
01:00:03,061 --> 01:00:04,854
Mitchie!
1274
01:00:04,855 --> 01:00:07,357
We all care. You gotta lighten up.
1275
01:00:08,108 --> 01:00:11,111
Really? And what will that get us?
1276
01:00:12,154 --> 01:00:16,115
I know that we both were
going through our own stuff,
1277
01:00:16,116 --> 01:00:20,703
but it still didn't give me an excuse
to treat anyone poorly,
1278
01:00:20,704 --> 01:00:25,834
and so I just wanna genuinely,
deeply apologize for like any...
1279
01:00:26,543 --> 01:00:29,670
um, stress or any, like,
walking on eggshells,
1280
01:00:29,671 --> 01:00:30,796
any hurt feelings.
1281
01:00:30,797 --> 01:00:33,049
Like, I'm genuinely so sorry for that.
1282
01:00:33,050 --> 01:00:34,884
- Thank you.
- [Demi] And I look back at that time,
1283
01:00:34,885 --> 01:00:37,720
and I have, like, profound sadness
'cause I'm like,
1284
01:00:37,721 --> 01:00:39,806
"How many people did I treat poorly?"
1285
01:00:41,058 --> 01:00:46,146
There are such big feelings that I've had
since you told me you were doing this.
1286
01:00:47,105 --> 01:00:50,984
I know that things that have
happened along the way, though,
1287
01:00:51,693 --> 01:00:55,613
certain excess and certain behaviors
and certain looking the other way
1288
01:00:55,614 --> 01:00:58,199
or certain... [punching palm]
...forcing things
1289
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,495
has led to my own rebellion or downfall.
1290
01:01:01,912 --> 01:01:02,913
Um...
1291
01:01:03,622 --> 01:01:06,582
But, again, those were all my actions.
1292
01:01:06,583 --> 01:01:10,545
Those were my reactions.
That was my coping mechanisms.
1293
01:01:10,546 --> 01:01:14,006
I'm very accountable.
I don't blame other people.
1294
01:01:14,007 --> 01:01:15,342
Well...
1295
01:01:16,552 --> 01:01:19,847
it's hard to say that
you don't blame other people
1296
01:01:20,764 --> 01:01:23,099
when other people
1297
01:01:23,100 --> 01:01:25,685
may have been giving you
1298
01:01:25,686 --> 01:01:28,896
- substances as a kid.
- [Drew] Yeah, yeah.
1299
01:01:28,897 --> 01:01:32,149
Because at, at that age, at however old...
1300
01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:34,944
How old were you when you
were first given something?
1301
01:01:34,945 --> 01:01:36,237
[inhales]
1302
01:01:36,238 --> 01:01:40,284
I mean, I used to get high
with my mom's friend at, like...
1303
01:01:42,536 --> 01:01:45,121
- 10. You know?
- [Demi] Right.
1304
01:01:45,122 --> 01:01:50,459
And I thought she was so cool,
and she would give weed to me and her son.
1305
01:01:50,460 --> 01:01:51,962
- [Demi] Wow.
- Mm.
1306
01:01:52,546 --> 01:01:56,174
I would say it's hard
to not blame someone else
1307
01:01:56,175 --> 01:01:57,467
when you're 10 years old.
1308
01:01:58,010 --> 01:02:01,263
I mean, having
a 10-year-old daughter now, I...
1309
01:02:01,930 --> 01:02:03,764
I just, I...
1310
01:02:03,765 --> 01:02:05,850
It's unfathomable.
1311
01:02:05,851 --> 01:02:07,644
- [Demi] Right.
- Um...
1312
01:02:08,770 --> 01:02:12,565
But that's just how I grew up.
1313
01:02:12,566 --> 01:02:16,612
- [people cheering, club chatter]
- [♪ dance club music playing]
1314
01:02:19,615 --> 01:02:23,577
I immediately went right
to drugs and alcohol,
1315
01:02:24,036 --> 01:02:26,579
uh, in my teens.
1316
01:02:26,580 --> 01:02:29,749
I don't remember it feeling
like there was any other way
1317
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:32,043
- to be happy.
- [Demi] Right.
1318
01:02:32,044 --> 01:02:35,796
Um, and I would imagine,
too, if you felt like
1319
01:02:35,797 --> 01:02:37,882
you had absolutely
no control over your life,
1320
01:02:37,883 --> 01:02:39,926
that's one of the few things
you had control over.
1321
01:02:39,927 --> 01:02:42,970
I would say,
"If you're gonna work me like an adult,
1322
01:02:42,971 --> 01:02:44,472
I'm gonna party like an adult."
1323
01:02:44,473 --> 01:02:46,057
I had to be so conscious
1324
01:02:46,058 --> 01:02:48,559
of everything that I did as a Disney kid.
1325
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,938
You obviously couldn't
cuss or swear in public.
1326
01:02:51,939 --> 01:02:55,399
You couldn't be seen with red Solo cups
1327
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:59,237
because it could insinuate
that there's alcohol in there.
1328
01:02:59,238 --> 01:03:00,905
- I actually remember that, too.
- [Demi] Yeah.
1329
01:03:00,906 --> 01:03:02,990
If you, if you had a Solo cup on set,
1330
01:03:02,991 --> 01:03:05,451
- it would be a whole thing.
- [Demi] Yeah, it was a whole thing,
1331
01:03:05,452 --> 01:03:07,078
- and so I never was photographed...
- So I put...
1332
01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:08,621
I put my booze in my Diet Coke can.
1333
01:03:08,622 --> 01:03:11,582
- [Demi] [laughs] I put it in a coffee cup!
- [laughs] Yes.
1334
01:03:11,583 --> 01:03:15,503
And I would say to my assistant,
"Can I have a warming Diet Coke, please?"
1335
01:03:15,504 --> 01:03:16,963
[both laugh]
1336
01:03:16,964 --> 01:03:20,967
[reporter] Teen star Demi Lovato's rise
to superstardom has taken a detour
1337
01:03:20,968 --> 01:03:22,927
straight to a treatment center.
1338
01:03:22,928 --> 01:03:26,013
[Demi] I knew I couldn't
show that I was drinking,
1339
01:03:26,014 --> 01:03:27,765
even though I was.
1340
01:03:27,766 --> 01:03:30,518
It just made me rebel even more.
1341
01:03:30,519 --> 01:03:34,272
There was a moment after the incident,
and you left tour where...
1342
01:03:34,273 --> 01:03:37,859
The incident, by the way,
just so that everyone is aware,
1343
01:03:37,860 --> 01:03:40,444
is when I...
1344
01:03:40,445 --> 01:03:42,530
had punched...
1345
01:03:42,531 --> 01:03:45,366
my backup dancer
while on tour in South America.
1346
01:03:45,367 --> 01:03:47,869
[indistinct chatter]
1347
01:03:47,870 --> 01:03:50,496
I got kicked off the tour, basically,
1348
01:03:50,497 --> 01:03:53,541
and I'm on my way home,
and we have a layover in Dallas,
1349
01:03:53,542 --> 01:03:55,543
and I'm like, "When do we land in LA?"
1350
01:03:55,544 --> 01:03:57,712
[♪ gentle music playing]
1351
01:03:57,713 --> 01:03:58,796
Wait.
1352
01:03:58,797 --> 01:04:00,298
It turns out that they had set up
1353
01:04:00,299 --> 01:04:03,385
for me to go to treatment
in a suburb in Chicago.
1354
01:04:04,094 --> 01:04:06,929
It wasn't like a situation where it was
like I came to the conclusion
1355
01:04:06,930 --> 01:04:10,057
that I needed help.
It was like, "I'm getting punished.
1356
01:04:10,058 --> 01:04:13,102
This is the end of my career.
What did I just do?"
1357
01:04:13,103 --> 01:04:15,521
- [Alyson] Yeah.
- [Demi] And I felt so hopeless.
1358
01:04:15,522 --> 01:04:17,940
There were just these...
1359
01:04:17,941 --> 01:04:21,361
intense pressures that were incessant.
1360
01:04:22,196 --> 01:04:24,947
[Demi] I mean,
I still think about what's on-brand.
1361
01:04:24,948 --> 01:04:26,032
[Alyson] Yeah.
1362
01:04:26,033 --> 01:04:28,368
[Demi] That's something that
I deal with to this day,
1363
01:04:28,952 --> 01:04:31,913
that teenage role model,
1364
01:04:31,914 --> 01:04:34,123
and those words should
never be put together,
1365
01:04:34,124 --> 01:04:35,791
teenage role model.
1366
01:04:35,792 --> 01:04:38,044
Together, we'll save the planet,
one friend at a time.
1367
01:04:38,045 --> 01:04:41,507
[♪ uplifting PSA music playing]
1368
01:04:42,466 --> 01:04:45,968
[Mathew]
There becomes a point where the kids
1369
01:04:45,969 --> 01:04:49,138
are not just characters
that they're playing.
1370
01:04:49,139 --> 01:04:51,432
They are role models.
1371
01:04:51,433 --> 01:04:53,184
First starts in the '90s.
1372
01:04:53,185 --> 01:04:54,519
Welcome to the Mickey Mouse Club.
1373
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,730
[Mathew] It's not just,
"I'm an actor on this show."
1374
01:04:57,731 --> 01:05:00,441
It becomes, "I am this character.
1375
01:05:00,442 --> 01:05:02,527
I am this brand."
1376
01:05:02,528 --> 01:05:05,404
And it really shoots off
into the stratosphere
1377
01:05:05,405 --> 01:05:08,366
with the idea of the superstar pop idol.
1378
01:05:08,367 --> 01:05:10,409
[soda can pops, hissing]
1379
01:05:10,410 --> 01:05:13,622
[♪ dramatic music playing]
1380
01:05:14,081 --> 01:05:16,917
That includes, "Buy this stuff."
1381
01:05:18,210 --> 01:05:21,504
Or, "Buy what I'm wearing."
It becomes unprecedented
1382
01:05:21,505 --> 01:05:23,090
in a way that you just couldn't do before.
1383
01:05:23,966 --> 01:05:26,425
[Leah] When we think about child stars,
1384
01:05:26,426 --> 01:05:28,719
really what is gonna set them apart
1385
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:33,057
is not that they have the best soprano
you've ever heard in a child.
1386
01:05:33,058 --> 01:05:36,644
[presenter]
Four sizes. 12 inches, 15 inches,
1387
01:05:36,645 --> 01:05:38,980
17 inches, and 19 inches.
1388
01:05:38,981 --> 01:05:43,025
[Leah] It's going to be
that the adults around them
1389
01:05:43,026 --> 01:05:46,404
are building an empire
1390
01:05:46,405 --> 01:05:50,032
that is designed to turn them
into, really, a vehicle
1391
01:05:50,033 --> 01:05:54,079
for advertising,
product placement, and viewership.
1392
01:05:57,291 --> 01:06:00,001
[Brooks] At its peak,
Hannah Montana was generating
1393
01:06:00,002 --> 01:06:03,796
about a billion dollars from
many different revenue points,
1394
01:06:03,797 --> 01:06:06,048
but that is the type of money
1395
01:06:06,049 --> 01:06:09,635
that not just the channel executives
pay attention to.
1396
01:06:09,636 --> 01:06:13,681
Wall Street analysts ask executives
about it on their earnings calls.
1397
01:06:13,682 --> 01:06:17,018
The board of the company is aware of it,
1398
01:06:17,019 --> 01:06:21,022
and that's a whole different
level of pressure and scrutiny.
1399
01:06:21,023 --> 01:06:24,317
Disney Best in Breed in the media group.
We're gonna talk about that. Bill?
1400
01:06:24,318 --> 01:06:26,819
[overlapping financial chatter]
1401
01:06:26,820 --> 01:06:28,905
[♪ "The Sorcerer's Apprentice"
by Paul Dukas playing]
1402
01:06:28,906 --> 01:06:33,326
[Brooks] As the conglomerates grow,
they become multinational behemoths.
1403
01:06:33,327 --> 01:06:35,494
♪
1404
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Viacom owns MTV, BET, VH1,
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01:06:38,707 --> 01:06:41,626
Country Music Network, Nickelodeon.
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01:06:41,627 --> 01:06:44,504
The CEO of the company in 2010 told me
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01:06:44,505 --> 01:06:48,257
that there was no more important
component than Nickelodeon.
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01:06:48,258 --> 01:06:52,304
It was the cash cow.
It was what drove the entire company.
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01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:56,599
[facilitator 1] Good day everyone,
and welcome to the Viacom conference call.
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01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,894
[executive] We've seen robust
audience engagement with kids.
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01:06:59,895 --> 01:07:01,355
Our strategy is working.
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01:07:01,939 --> 01:07:04,815
We're investing in content
with a disciplined approach.
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01:07:04,816 --> 01:07:06,234
We have a lot in the pipeline.
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[facilitator 2]
Good day, ladies and gentlemen,
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01:07:08,153 --> 01:07:09,695
and welcome to the Walt Disney
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01:07:09,696 --> 01:07:12,865
second quarter 2009
earnings conference call.
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01:07:12,866 --> 01:07:14,700
[participant] [on phone]
Be great if you could comment
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01:07:14,701 --> 01:07:16,994
on how strong you feel like
the upcoming content cycle is
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01:07:16,995 --> 01:07:19,997
at Disney Channel.
We've had such a great run,
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01:07:19,998 --> 01:07:22,333
and particularly in summer with
High School Musical
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01:07:22,334 --> 01:07:23,835
and years ago with Cheetah Girls...
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01:07:23,836 --> 01:07:25,420
[chatter fades out]
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01:07:26,454 --> 01:07:28,507
[♪ music swells]
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01:07:31,510 --> 01:07:34,762
[Brooks] These shows generally
run for about four years,
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01:07:34,763 --> 01:07:37,849
tape about 100 episodes,
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01:07:37,850 --> 01:07:41,185
and at the beginning,
the child star and their family
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01:07:41,186 --> 01:07:43,688
is extremely grateful, right?
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01:07:43,689 --> 01:07:45,606
"All of a sudden, I'm a star."
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01:07:45,607 --> 01:07:48,818
And toward the end,
they're starting to think about
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01:07:48,819 --> 01:07:52,446
what, what my next career move might be,
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01:07:52,447 --> 01:07:56,784
and they want things that
the brand might not want.
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01:07:56,785 --> 01:07:59,120
You all are gonna freak out.
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01:07:59,121 --> 01:08:02,039
They want to age into
a new type of entertainment.
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01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:03,833
That was what Miley Cyrus
was doing, right?
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01:08:03,834 --> 01:08:06,043
♪
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01:08:06,044 --> 01:08:09,881
"I'm not a nerdy 13-year-old anymore.
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01:08:09,882 --> 01:08:12,258
"I'm becoming an adult.
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01:08:12,259 --> 01:08:14,927
I have other aspirations than
being on Disney Channel."
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01:08:14,928 --> 01:08:16,804
[indistinct chatter]
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01:08:16,805 --> 01:08:20,267
That became a five-alarm fire for Disney.
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01:08:20,934 --> 01:08:24,896
When something like that happens,
it's a very big operation.
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01:08:24,897 --> 01:08:28,107
Hundreds of people are, are trying
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01:08:28,108 --> 01:08:31,152
to keep these properties,
really, on track.
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01:08:31,153 --> 01:08:33,905
- [♪ JoJo humming]
- [overlapping set chatter]
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01:08:33,906 --> 01:08:37,158
[JoJo] Basically, I signed
an umbrella deal for everything,
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01:08:37,159 --> 01:08:40,953
so they owned all my rights to everything
except for social media.
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01:08:40,954 --> 01:08:42,997
We were very smart to be
able to keep that separate.
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01:08:42,998 --> 01:08:47,126
But, if I had, like, a brand deal,
I had to get it approved by Nickelodeon.
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01:08:47,127 --> 01:08:48,461
- Okay.
- So, that was always, yeah.
1450
01:08:48,462 --> 01:08:50,714
But, they own everything.
1451
01:08:52,424 --> 01:08:55,760
When I was 17,
it just became something that
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01:08:55,761 --> 01:08:58,846
I didn't wanna be
a part of at all anymore,
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01:08:58,847 --> 01:09:02,308
would do anything I could
to break away from it, get out of it.
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01:09:02,309 --> 01:09:04,727
Always people would ask me like,
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01:09:04,728 --> 01:09:08,272
"Are you... Are you gay?"
And I would just be like,
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01:09:08,273 --> 01:09:10,066
"I don't really, like,
think I'm anything."
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01:09:10,067 --> 01:09:12,360
- [slurping]
- [phone ringing]
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01:09:12,361 --> 01:09:14,153
It was like 2:00 in the morning,
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01:09:14,154 --> 01:09:15,655
I was on FaceTime with my girlfriend,
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01:09:15,656 --> 01:09:17,448
and I did a video singing Born This Way.
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01:09:17,449 --> 01:09:21,035
♪ No matter gay, straight, or bi,
lesbian, transgender life ♪
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01:09:21,036 --> 01:09:24,455
♪ I'm on the right track, baby,
I was born to survive ♪
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01:09:24,456 --> 01:09:26,666
And I was like, "I think I wanna
put this on my Reels Story,"
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01:09:26,667 --> 01:09:28,876
'cause it was all my close friends.
She's like, "Okay, do it."
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01:09:28,877 --> 01:09:30,878
Boop, that was it.
Fell asleep, woke up the next morning
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01:09:30,879 --> 01:09:32,839
and was like, "Oh, my God!"
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01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:36,092
[phone notifications pinging]
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01:09:36,093 --> 01:09:38,511
I didn't realize, I guess,
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01:09:38,512 --> 01:09:42,306
that, like, no child star,
as still a child star,
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01:09:42,307 --> 01:09:44,392
has ever come out before.
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01:09:44,393 --> 01:09:47,228
The president of the network called me
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01:09:47,229 --> 01:09:49,981
and was like,
"What are we gonna tell the kids?"
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01:09:49,982 --> 01:09:51,274
And I was like, "What do you mean?"
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01:09:51,275 --> 01:09:54,277
And he was like, "What are we gonna tell
kids and parents?" And I was like,
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01:09:54,278 --> 01:09:55,695
[stammers]
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01:09:55,696 --> 01:09:56,946
again, like, "What do you mean?"
1477
01:09:56,947 --> 01:09:59,323
And he was like,
"What are we gonna tell them about this?"
1478
01:09:59,324 --> 01:10:01,450
And I was like, "That I'm happy?
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01:10:01,451 --> 01:10:04,078
"That I, like am... [stammers]
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01:10:04,079 --> 01:10:06,455
"What? Like, you want me to tell 'em
that I'm making out with a girl?
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01:10:06,456 --> 01:10:08,082
- I'm not gonna tell them that!"
- [Demi] Yeah.
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01:10:08,083 --> 01:10:10,501
But, like, you want me... Like...
[stammers] I don't know.
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01:10:10,502 --> 01:10:13,754
And he was like, "Well, you need
to have a call with every retailer
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01:10:13,755 --> 01:10:16,132
and tell 'em that you're not going crazy."
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01:10:16,133 --> 01:10:19,552
- I was like, "Okay. Like, alright, sick."
- [Demi] Going crazy.
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01:10:19,553 --> 01:10:21,554
Going crazy.
Came out, came out, going crazy.
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01:10:21,555 --> 01:10:24,515
And I, I... So I did, and I had
a call with every retailer,
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01:10:24,516 --> 01:10:28,060
Target, Walmart, JCPenney,
Toys R Us, Claire's,
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Justice, every retailer at the time.
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01:10:30,522 --> 01:10:33,107
And Amazon, had a call with them.
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01:10:33,108 --> 01:10:35,193
Oh, my God, I can't imagine.
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01:10:35,194 --> 01:10:38,321
And everything,
everything after I came out
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01:10:38,322 --> 01:10:40,198
was, like, changed.
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01:10:40,199 --> 01:10:42,200
The way they communicated with me changed.
1495
01:10:42,201 --> 01:10:44,160
The way they worked with me changed.
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01:10:44,161 --> 01:10:47,663
The way they developed my work changed.
Everything changed.
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01:10:47,664 --> 01:10:50,041
I remember they had
the Kids' Choice Awards,
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01:10:50,042 --> 01:10:53,586
and I, for the last seven years,
like, have done everything
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01:10:53,587 --> 01:10:55,046
for the Kids' Choice Awards.
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01:10:55,047 --> 01:10:58,174
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
- [Jojo] Performed, hosted,
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01:10:58,175 --> 01:11:01,344
nominated, won, presented,
like done it all.
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01:11:01,345 --> 01:11:03,638
♪ I'ma come back like a boomerang ♪
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A lot of you have been asking me
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why I'm not at the Nickelodeon
Kids' Choice Awards tonight,
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01:11:09,061 --> 01:11:11,312
and the answer is very simple.
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01:11:11,313 --> 01:11:13,731
I wasn't invited.
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01:11:13,732 --> 01:11:16,108
I'm not sure why,
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01:11:16,109 --> 01:11:18,194
but I just didn't get an invite.
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01:11:18,195 --> 01:11:20,696
I basically got, like, blackballed
from the company.
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01:11:20,697 --> 01:11:23,533
[♪ soft music playing]
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01:11:23,534 --> 01:11:26,119
They said that it was, like, an accident.
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01:11:26,787 --> 01:11:28,789
And I don't know. It...
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01:11:29,373 --> 01:11:31,375
I guess I just didn't realize, like,
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01:11:32,125 --> 01:11:34,335
- how young I was.
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
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01:11:34,336 --> 01:11:37,588
How "scary" it was supposed to be.
1516
01:11:37,589 --> 01:11:39,757
But I think it's the best thing
that I could've ever done.
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01:11:39,758 --> 01:11:42,009
I don't think coming out
should be a scary thing.
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01:11:42,010 --> 01:11:43,344
- [Demi] Right.
- I wish it wasn't.
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01:11:43,345 --> 01:11:45,388
I wish there wasn't that stigma around it,
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01:11:45,389 --> 01:11:46,931
- but there is.
- [Demi] Right.
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01:11:46,932 --> 01:11:49,642
My parents were like, "We knew." I was
like, "Alright, you knew. Okay, for sure."
1522
01:11:49,643 --> 01:11:52,353
- Right.
- But, like, if you pass through
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01:11:52,354 --> 01:11:55,273
the industry mask, you still have to meet
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01:11:55,274 --> 01:11:57,108
the mask that's
the gay person that's like,
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01:11:57,109 --> 01:11:59,944
"Oh, you not getting past
this one to find the real me."
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01:11:59,945 --> 01:12:01,404
- Right.
- [Raven] "This is mine to hold."
1527
01:12:01,405 --> 01:12:03,489
And that one, no one saw,
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01:12:03,490 --> 01:12:05,908
probably... yeah.
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01:12:05,909 --> 01:12:09,037
- For-for-for-for-for a long time.
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
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01:12:10,205 --> 01:12:13,709
There was a moment in my life when I got
asked if I wanted to stop the industry.
1531
01:12:14,793 --> 01:12:18,045
But it was, like, second season of
That's So Raven.
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01:12:18,046 --> 01:12:21,299
- It was, like, third album.
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
1533
01:12:21,300 --> 01:12:23,843
And I'm like, "Why would you
ask me that question now?
1534
01:12:23,844 --> 01:12:25,803
"Just to make me feel bad to say yes
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01:12:25,804 --> 01:12:28,264
when you know I don't really
wanna be here right now?" [laughs]
1536
01:12:28,265 --> 01:12:31,059
[♪ gentle music playing]
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01:12:35,063 --> 01:12:37,190
[Demi] I didn't know that
you could take time off
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01:12:37,191 --> 01:12:40,277
because no one told me.
1539
01:12:41,570 --> 01:12:42,737
[crowd cheering]
1540
01:12:42,738 --> 01:12:46,533
At one point,
I played 70 shows in 90 days.
1541
01:12:47,284 --> 01:12:49,493
I was gonna have two nights off,
1542
01:12:49,494 --> 01:12:52,497
and then, when push came to shove,
1543
01:12:53,248 --> 01:12:57,085
they were like, "We need those two days
of rehearsals for the movie."
1544
01:12:58,837 --> 01:13:01,339
People are going to milk
all of your light out of you
1545
01:13:01,340 --> 01:13:03,508
because, "You're young
and you have the energy,"
1546
01:13:03,509 --> 01:13:05,009
- but you do not.
- [Demi] Right.
1547
01:13:05,010 --> 01:13:06,636
You're still a human.
1548
01:13:06,637 --> 01:13:09,514
- When I look back, when I was working...
- [Raven] Mm-hmm.
1549
01:13:09,515 --> 01:13:11,808
...I was undiagnosed bipolar.
1550
01:13:12,643 --> 01:13:15,269
I dealt with depression.
I dealt with all these things,
1551
01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:17,939
- and I also had a eating disorder...
- [Raven] Yeah.
1552
01:13:17,940 --> 01:13:20,691
...and was binge drinking on the weekends.
1553
01:13:20,692 --> 01:13:23,319
- Ooh, girl.
- [Demi] And yeah, I was a mess, and...
1554
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,072
- What age? Underage?
- [Demi] This was, yeah, underage.
1555
01:13:26,073 --> 01:13:27,157
Damn!
1556
01:13:28,158 --> 01:13:31,035
[Demi] It was the escapism that
I was chasing because I couldn't...
1557
01:13:31,036 --> 01:13:33,412
find time off.
1558
01:13:33,413 --> 01:13:36,958
[reporters chattering]
1559
01:13:36,959 --> 01:13:38,543
This is a cry for help.
1560
01:13:38,544 --> 01:13:40,294
We're gonna be doing
the Lindsay Lohan walk.
1561
01:13:40,295 --> 01:13:42,213
We're gonna be doing
the Paris Hilton walk.
1562
01:13:42,214 --> 01:13:45,925
[reporter] Lovato's troubles bring to mind
the problems of another Disney star.
1563
01:13:45,926 --> 01:13:49,178
[Alyson]
There's actually research there that shows
1564
01:13:49,179 --> 01:13:52,473
people who experience fame
have an average lifespan
1565
01:13:52,474 --> 01:13:56,227
that's 14 years younger
than non-famous people
1566
01:13:56,228 --> 01:14:01,065
due to the rate of
mental health struggles...
1567
01:14:01,066 --> 01:14:03,901
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
- ...and that a famous person
1568
01:14:03,902 --> 01:14:07,238
is four times more likely
to die by suicide.
1569
01:14:07,239 --> 01:14:12,326
And that fame also has,
uh, addictive properties,
1570
01:14:12,327 --> 01:14:15,414
- uh, similar to substances.
- [muffled crowd screaming]
1571
01:14:16,748 --> 01:14:18,750
So, if that's the case,
1572
01:14:19,334 --> 01:14:24,547
why are we hooking a child to a drug
1573
01:14:24,548 --> 01:14:26,841
that's fundamentally altering
1574
01:14:26,842 --> 01:14:30,429
their brain chemistry
and future development?
1575
01:14:32,806 --> 01:14:35,183
[reporter 1]
Sweet 16, screen star Judy Garland
1576
01:14:35,184 --> 01:14:39,562
cuts her birthday cake at a party
given by film chief Louis B. Mayer
1577
01:14:39,563 --> 01:14:41,814
and attended by Hollywood's younger set,
1578
01:14:41,815 --> 01:14:44,901
including irrepressible Mickey Rooney.
1579
01:14:44,902 --> 01:14:47,028
[♪ somber music playing]
1580
01:14:47,029 --> 01:14:48,779
[reporter 2]
Judy Garland's daughter Liza Minnelli
1581
01:14:48,780 --> 01:14:50,907
had requested that
her mother's funeral be held
1582
01:14:50,908 --> 01:14:53,034
in as dignified a manner as possible.
1583
01:14:53,035 --> 01:14:54,994
Some of the thousands of people
who came today...
1584
01:14:54,995 --> 01:14:58,497
[♪ somber music continues]
1585
01:14:58,498 --> 01:14:59,750
[Demi] Finding drugs was easy.
1586
01:15:00,959 --> 01:15:03,462
That was the only way
I knew how to escape.
1587
01:15:05,797 --> 01:15:07,673
But I was dealing with something that I...
1588
01:15:07,674 --> 01:15:09,800
that was much bigger
than what I could see.
1589
01:15:09,801 --> 01:15:11,385
[lights snapping]
1590
01:15:11,386 --> 01:15:14,222
- [♪ somber music continues]
- [muffled crowd cheering]
1591
01:15:14,223 --> 01:15:15,515
[sirens wailing]
1592
01:15:15,516 --> 01:15:18,351
[Joaquin Phoenix] [on phone] I think
it's Valium or something, I don't know.
1593
01:15:18,352 --> 01:15:21,312
[reporter 1] Hollywood is mourning
one of its brightest young stars,
1594
01:15:21,313 --> 01:15:24,565
23-year-old River Phoenix,
who collapsed and died
1595
01:15:24,566 --> 01:15:27,652
outside a Hollywood nightclub
early on Sunday morning.
1596
01:15:27,653 --> 01:15:30,404
[overlapping reporter chatter]
1597
01:15:30,405 --> 01:15:32,990
Lee Thompson Young was found dead.
1598
01:15:32,991 --> 01:15:36,327
[reporter 2] Pop star Aaron Carter
has died at the age of 34.
1599
01:15:36,328 --> 01:15:39,622
[reporter 3] The troubled performer
grew up in the limelight...
1600
01:15:39,623 --> 01:15:42,291
[Demi] I was so unhappy
and in the muck of it all.
1601
01:15:42,292 --> 01:15:44,836
- [echoing beep]
- [operator] [phone] About how old is she?
1602
01:15:44,837 --> 01:15:46,754
[caller] [phone] We just need
to get somebody out here.
1603
01:15:46,755 --> 01:15:49,549
[operator] [phone] Hang in there, okay?
We're on our way. Stay with the patient.
1604
01:15:49,550 --> 01:15:51,300
I'm gonna remain on the line
with you all the way
1605
01:15:51,301 --> 01:15:54,303
- until the paramedics arrive, okay?
- [constant ringing]
1606
01:15:54,304 --> 01:15:55,763
[Demi] I get a lot of anxiety
1607
01:15:55,764 --> 01:15:58,683
when I think of how close
I came to not being here at all.
1608
01:15:58,684 --> 01:16:01,394
- [ringing continues]
- [echoing beep]
1609
01:16:01,395 --> 01:16:04,481
- [inaudible]
- [EKG flatlining]
1610
01:16:06,149 --> 01:16:07,526
I just tapped out.
1611
01:16:09,069 --> 01:16:12,071
[ringing slowly fades out]
1612
01:16:12,072 --> 01:16:15,158
[static crackling]
1613
01:16:18,203 --> 01:16:21,164
[insects chirping]
1614
01:16:35,387 --> 01:16:36,762
We don't have to start with this one.
1615
01:16:36,763 --> 01:16:40,016
I did get you some other ones
that I think that you will like,
1616
01:16:40,017 --> 01:16:41,601
- specifically this one.
- [Demi gasps]
1617
01:16:41,602 --> 01:16:44,395
Oh, my God! Well, we have to do this one!
1618
01:16:44,396 --> 01:16:46,814
[Madison] That's what I was thinking.
1619
01:16:46,815 --> 01:16:48,566
We gotta start with the edges.
1620
01:16:48,567 --> 01:16:50,444
[puzzle pieces clicking]
1621
01:16:51,111 --> 01:16:54,239
[Demi]
I feel like I didn't see you very much
1622
01:16:55,157 --> 01:16:58,951
- for a few years of my life.
- Yeah.
1623
01:16:58,952 --> 01:17:03,623
And I feel like I didn't anybody very much
except for the people I was working with,
1624
01:17:03,624 --> 01:17:06,417
but especially when you were on
Desperate Housewives
1625
01:17:06,418 --> 01:17:08,669
- and I was doing Sonny with a Chance.
- [Madison] Yeah.
1626
01:17:08,670 --> 01:17:09,754
How's that one fit?
1627
01:17:09,755 --> 01:17:11,923
Oh, I think we're gonna
need the next size up.
1628
01:17:11,924 --> 01:17:13,008
[clears throat]
1629
01:17:15,093 --> 01:17:17,553
There is no next size up.
1630
01:17:17,554 --> 01:17:19,931
They don't make princess dresses
for girls over 7.
1631
01:17:19,932 --> 01:17:21,600
She's only 4 and a half.
1632
01:17:22,476 --> 01:17:24,060
Oh...
1633
01:17:24,061 --> 01:17:25,144
Wow.
1634
01:17:25,145 --> 01:17:26,771
[Demi] Did you ever think,
1635
01:17:26,772 --> 01:17:30,233
looking back on being
on Desperate Housewives,
1636
01:17:30,234 --> 01:17:33,486
- where it was so body shaming...
- Yeah.
1637
01:17:33,487 --> 01:17:36,490
...that we had a mom
with an eating disorder.
1638
01:17:37,032 --> 01:17:39,951
I had an eating disorder,
and here you were in this position.
1639
01:17:39,952 --> 01:17:41,577
Like, did that ever occur to you?
1640
01:17:41,578 --> 01:17:43,913
I'm kind of realizing it now,
but at the time,
1641
01:17:43,914 --> 01:17:45,706
I don't think any of us truly realized
1642
01:17:45,707 --> 01:17:47,793
that what was happening
1643
01:17:48,544 --> 01:17:50,379
with us was...
1644
01:17:51,088 --> 01:17:52,089
an eating disorder.
1645
01:17:56,218 --> 01:17:58,135
I don't know, it makes me a little sad.
1646
01:17:58,136 --> 01:18:00,137
Yeah, it makes me sad, too.
1647
01:18:00,138 --> 01:18:02,056
That this was something
1648
01:18:02,057 --> 01:18:04,977
that we were all
battling with individually
1649
01:18:05,602 --> 01:18:07,895
while standing next to each other.
1650
01:18:07,896 --> 01:18:10,273
- Yeah.
- Especially because...
1651
01:18:10,274 --> 01:18:11,774
[♪ soft music playing]
1652
01:18:11,775 --> 01:18:16,195
...that was originally the focus
of my role on Desperate Housewives,
1653
01:18:16,196 --> 01:18:17,822
and then, eventually,
1654
01:18:17,823 --> 01:18:20,616
turned into the focus of my life.
1655
01:18:20,617 --> 01:18:22,411
- Mm-hmm.
- [Madison] And...
1656
01:18:22,995 --> 01:18:27,331
I somehow believed
that I was struggling with this
1657
01:18:27,332 --> 01:18:29,834
completely and entirely on my own.
1658
01:18:29,835 --> 01:18:31,586
Yeah, I felt like I was, too.
1659
01:18:31,587 --> 01:18:33,963
Which was just not the case at all.
1660
01:18:33,964 --> 01:18:38,259
Mm-mm. We didn't see much of each other
'cause we both had our own schedules.
1661
01:18:38,260 --> 01:18:40,803
Right, and we were
constantly missing each other.
1662
01:18:40,804 --> 01:18:42,471
- [Demi] Yeah.
- Constantly.
1663
01:18:42,472 --> 01:18:45,600
I mean, if I wasn't working,
you were working.
1664
01:18:45,601 --> 01:18:47,394
We didn't really get
1665
01:18:48,437 --> 01:18:51,397
summers as sisters
1666
01:18:51,398 --> 01:18:53,941
once we moved to LA.
1667
01:18:53,942 --> 01:18:55,443
I would love to make up for lost time,
1668
01:18:55,444 --> 01:18:57,738
even though it's been so long.
1669
01:18:59,781 --> 01:19:02,450
- Well, look at that!
- [Madison] We did it.
1670
01:19:02,451 --> 01:19:05,745
So, that's how big the puzzle is,
in case you were wondering.
1671
01:19:05,746 --> 01:19:07,747
- [Demi] I'm so proud of us.
- [Madison giggles]
1672
01:19:07,748 --> 01:19:12,878
How do you understand
what is real and important
1673
01:19:14,296 --> 01:19:16,923
and going to feed you and nourish you,
1674
01:19:16,924 --> 01:19:19,383
and what is the candy?
1675
01:19:19,384 --> 01:19:22,720
I now am kind of reprogramming my brain.
1676
01:19:22,721 --> 01:19:25,681
- [Drew] Yep.
- Trying to change things that I learned
1677
01:19:25,682 --> 01:19:28,100
- as a child star.
- 100%.
1678
01:19:28,101 --> 01:19:30,811
It's deprogramming, reprogramming.
1679
01:19:30,812 --> 01:19:32,688
- Yeah.
- [Drew] I hope I'm not overstepping,
1680
01:19:32,689 --> 01:19:35,525
but you looked at that overdose and said,
1681
01:19:35,526 --> 01:19:37,860
"I will not go down this way.
1682
01:19:37,861 --> 01:19:41,030
I won't go down at all.
I'm gonna actually rise."
1683
01:19:41,031 --> 01:19:42,114
Yeah.
1684
01:19:42,115 --> 01:19:44,659
[Drew] "And I'm gonna
come out of this triumphant."
1685
01:19:44,660 --> 01:19:46,369
[♪ soft music playing]
1686
01:19:46,370 --> 01:19:48,788
I can't believe how much I respect life
1687
01:19:48,789 --> 01:19:51,458
knowing that I disrespected it
so many times.
1688
01:19:52,751 --> 01:19:55,628
I think there was plenty of my life
1689
01:19:55,629 --> 01:19:58,506
where I was a human
walking cautionary tale.
1690
01:19:58,507 --> 01:20:00,633
I have done shit no one knows I did
1691
01:20:00,634 --> 01:20:03,803
that is so crazy
that somehow nobody found out about,
1692
01:20:03,804 --> 01:20:06,597
and it's because we all had more anonymity
1693
01:20:06,598 --> 01:20:10,810
before social media,
especially before cell phones.
1694
01:20:10,811 --> 01:20:12,645
- Right, right.
- Oh, my God!
1695
01:20:12,646 --> 01:20:14,689
That's just the world we live in
1696
01:20:14,690 --> 01:20:17,358
- and a whole new trade.
- [Demi] Right.
1697
01:20:17,359 --> 01:20:23,281
A whole new world
of a job opportunity that's been created.
1698
01:20:23,282 --> 01:20:27,828
And then, that goes in with, like, likes
or "followers,"
1699
01:20:28,203 --> 01:20:32,958
um, how valuable one is.
1700
01:20:35,127 --> 01:20:38,379
When I was really young, I was 13,
I got addicted to numbers.
1701
01:20:38,380 --> 01:20:39,922
And so, I would see my YouTube channel,
1702
01:20:39,923 --> 01:20:42,341
and I would see how many views I got,
1703
01:20:42,342 --> 01:20:43,801
and I would see how much money it made,
1704
01:20:43,802 --> 01:20:46,053
six digits a month easily.
1705
01:20:46,054 --> 01:20:47,972
And I would see how many
subscribers it gained,
1706
01:20:47,973 --> 01:20:49,307
and then I wanted to beat it,
1707
01:20:49,308 --> 01:20:50,850
- and then I wanted to beat it.
- [Demi] Right.
1708
01:20:50,851 --> 01:20:53,352
[Jojo] And then I wouldn't beat it,
and I would go crazy.
1709
01:20:53,353 --> 01:20:54,729
- [Demi] Okay.
- Do you do Snapchat?
1710
01:20:54,730 --> 01:20:56,480
I don't.
1711
01:20:56,481 --> 01:20:58,774
Do you know how many people would die
1712
01:20:58,775 --> 01:21:01,694
to see you getting ready in the morning?
1713
01:21:01,695 --> 01:21:04,197
- [Demi] Yeah.
- You eating lunch,
1714
01:21:04,198 --> 01:21:05,698
- like, you know what I mean?
- [laughs]
1715
01:21:05,699 --> 01:21:08,159
I do it on a very extreme level.
1716
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,954
I post 250 to 300 things a day on there.
1717
01:21:11,622 --> 01:21:12,622
Uh-huh.
1718
01:21:12,623 --> 01:21:15,249
- It's nuts.
- It's so much work!
1719
01:21:15,250 --> 01:21:19,003
[JoJo] It's so much work,
and my whole day is filmed.
1720
01:21:19,004 --> 01:21:20,087
Gimme your take on this.
1721
01:21:20,088 --> 01:21:21,756
Everything I eat is filmed.
1722
01:21:21,757 --> 01:21:24,759
Every song I sing in the car is filmed.
Everything I do gets picked apart.
1723
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,428
Everything I do gets talked about.
1724
01:21:27,429 --> 01:21:30,640
There's nothing left for me
at the end of the day.
1725
01:21:30,641 --> 01:21:34,228
[set chatter]
1726
01:21:38,941 --> 01:21:40,691
[overlapping greetings]
1727
01:21:40,692 --> 01:21:44,278
- Hi! How are you?
- [excited chatter]
1728
01:21:44,279 --> 01:21:45,780
Nice to meet you guys.
1729
01:21:45,781 --> 01:21:47,406
[overlapping greetings]
1730
01:21:47,407 --> 01:21:49,367
- First of all, welcome. Great to see you.
- Thank you.
1731
01:21:49,368 --> 01:21:51,536
So, Demi, I'm curious,
when you first heard
1732
01:21:51,537 --> 01:21:53,287
that there were gonna
be a bunch of kids here,
1733
01:21:53,288 --> 01:21:55,039
and you were gonna be
talking to these kids,
1734
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:56,415
what went through your head?
1735
01:21:56,416 --> 01:21:58,877
Oh, just joy.
1736
01:21:59,795 --> 01:22:02,421
I wish that I had been
able to ask questions
1737
01:22:02,422 --> 01:22:05,925
to somebody in the industry
when I was first starting out.
1738
01:22:05,926 --> 01:22:08,177
I didn't know what
I was getting myself into...
1739
01:22:08,178 --> 01:22:10,513
- Mm-hmm.
- ...and I didn't have a mentor.
1740
01:22:10,514 --> 01:22:12,265
There wasn't any guidance,
1741
01:22:12,266 --> 01:22:18,145
and there definitely is not a manual
on how to navigate this industry
1742
01:22:18,146 --> 01:22:20,064
- at such a young age.
- [Chris Smith] Yeah.
1743
01:22:20,065 --> 01:22:23,818
Like, obviously, you wanna make
a great film, TV show, or commercial,
1744
01:22:23,819 --> 01:22:26,612
but what matters is your well-being
1745
01:22:26,613 --> 01:22:29,073
and the other things in your life
1746
01:22:29,074 --> 01:22:31,117
- like family and friends.
- Hmm.
1747
01:22:31,118 --> 01:22:32,827
- That's what really matters.
- [Chris Smith] Yeah.
1748
01:22:32,828 --> 01:22:36,372
Today, being in the public eye,
social media is so common,
1749
01:22:36,373 --> 01:22:38,749
no matter what you do,
it's, like, seen right away,
1750
01:22:38,750 --> 01:22:40,835
and everyone has
something to say about it.
1751
01:22:40,836 --> 01:22:44,088
When you were going through it
at such a young age, what...
1752
01:22:44,089 --> 01:22:46,424
how did you feel about it
and how'd you deal with it?
1753
01:22:46,425 --> 01:22:49,844
I can't imagine growing up
with TikTok at your age.
1754
01:22:49,845 --> 01:22:51,929
[soft laughter]
1755
01:22:51,930 --> 01:22:54,640
There's so much pressure
to make things go viral
1756
01:22:54,641 --> 01:22:56,684
and to look a certain way.
1757
01:22:56,685 --> 01:22:58,728
It's just, it's really tough.
1758
01:22:58,729 --> 01:23:01,815
[♪ soft music playing]
1759
01:23:03,192 --> 01:23:05,234
[giggles]
1760
01:23:05,235 --> 01:23:08,279
[Nicola] Can you tell me what
your favorite thing is to watch on TV?
1761
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:09,655
YouTube.
1762
01:23:09,656 --> 01:23:10,865
[Nicola] Do you watch TV?
1763
01:23:10,866 --> 01:23:13,659
I just watch YouTube shows.
1764
01:23:13,660 --> 01:23:17,371
I watch YouTube,
and I make TikTok videos for my friends,
1765
01:23:17,372 --> 01:23:21,125
like the dances that people do.
Sometimes I do that on TikTok.
1766
01:23:21,126 --> 01:23:23,961
My favorite thing to watch is YouTube.
1767
01:23:23,962 --> 01:23:26,506
- Charli D'Amelio.
- MrBeast.
1768
01:23:26,507 --> 01:23:29,425
- YouTube.
- Minecraft videos.
1769
01:23:29,426 --> 01:23:31,512
I like watching, like, them...
1770
01:23:32,638 --> 01:23:35,681
showing me what they got at Sephora
1771
01:23:35,682 --> 01:23:37,475
or, like, doing... get...
1772
01:23:37,476 --> 01:23:39,977
like, showing their morning routine
or night routine.
1773
01:23:39,978 --> 01:23:42,939
Can I say somebody who's a kid?
1774
01:23:42,940 --> 01:23:45,566
- [Nicola] Yes, better if they're a kid.
- Ryan.
1775
01:23:45,567 --> 01:23:50,279
He has his own show, his own video game,
and his own toys.
1776
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:52,573
I don't know if he's really that famous
1777
01:23:52,574 --> 01:23:55,826
or companies just like, all...
um, making toys
1778
01:23:55,827 --> 01:23:57,537
and video games about him.
1779
01:23:57,538 --> 01:23:59,622
Still, that's pretty famous.
1780
01:23:59,623 --> 01:24:02,124
[reporter]
That's him, Ryan of Ryan's World.
1781
01:24:02,125 --> 01:24:06,170
[Taylor Lorenz] Ryan is like the Elvis
for anyone under the age of 10.
1782
01:24:06,171 --> 01:24:09,382
He blew up on YouTube
by playing with toys.
1783
01:24:09,383 --> 01:24:11,217
He's been on the internet since he was 3.
1784
01:24:11,218 --> 01:24:12,885
[Loann Kaji] Okay, let's go!
1785
01:24:12,886 --> 01:24:16,138
[Taylor] He makes tens of millions
of dollars in his licensing deals.
1786
01:24:16,139 --> 01:24:18,891
He's now one of the top-paid YouTubers
on the entire planet.
1787
01:24:18,892 --> 01:24:21,936
[Loann] Okay, Ryan, on a scale of one
through five, what do you think about
1788
01:24:21,937 --> 01:24:27,025
the Hot Wheels Color Shifters
Color Splash Science Lab?
1789
01:24:27,860 --> 01:24:28,860
Five!
1790
01:24:28,861 --> 01:24:31,904
[Taylor] This is a massive
multi-billion-dollar industry.
1791
01:24:31,905 --> 01:24:35,366
There's over 50 million
content creators worldwide.
1792
01:24:35,367 --> 01:24:37,702
[child] Hello, everyone.
Welcome back to our channel.
1793
01:24:37,703 --> 01:24:39,996
[Taylor] According to Goldman Sachs,
the content creator industry
1794
01:24:39,997 --> 01:24:42,748
is set to be worth a half
a trillion dollars in the next two years.
1795
01:24:42,749 --> 01:24:45,169
It dwarfs the traditional
entertainment industry.
1796
01:24:45,919 --> 01:24:48,004
[both] Bye!
1797
01:24:48,005 --> 01:24:50,965
Kids are making so much money
in an unregulated space.
1798
01:24:50,966 --> 01:24:54,093
Yeah! It worries me
because there's no Coogan Law for it.
1799
01:24:54,094 --> 01:24:57,680
You know, we had protections put in place
when I was a child actor
1800
01:24:57,681 --> 01:25:01,392
that said a percentage of my money
is going to be returned to me,
1801
01:25:01,393 --> 01:25:04,770
or given to me at 18.
1802
01:25:04,771 --> 01:25:07,940
Therefore, I had, like, a system in place
1803
01:25:07,941 --> 01:25:11,319
that guaranteed me to have
some sort of financial gain
1804
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:13,738
when I was of legal age.
1805
01:25:13,739 --> 01:25:19,994
And to hear that these kids
are making tens of millions of dollars,
1806
01:25:19,995 --> 01:25:22,246
and there's no Coogan Account for that,
1807
01:25:22,247 --> 01:25:26,125
it just scares me because I'm like,
who's controlling that money,
1808
01:25:26,126 --> 01:25:27,711
and where is it going?
1809
01:25:28,962 --> 01:25:30,421
[Taylor] This is an entirely new industry
1810
01:25:30,422 --> 01:25:33,049
that's developed really
in the past decade.
1811
01:25:33,050 --> 01:25:36,219
The real money has only come
in the past five to seven years.
1812
01:25:36,220 --> 01:25:37,303
Wow, it's nice!
1813
01:25:37,304 --> 01:25:39,138
And there are absolutely zero safeguards
1814
01:25:39,139 --> 01:25:42,058
or legal protections for children
working in this industry.
1815
01:25:42,059 --> 01:25:43,851
- [Demi] Hi, Chris?
- Hi, Demi!
1816
01:25:43,852 --> 01:25:45,770
- [Demi] Hi, how's it going?
- It's going well. Thank you.
1817
01:25:45,771 --> 01:25:48,147
- It's so nice to meet you.
- [Chris McCarty] So nice to meet you, too.
1818
01:25:48,148 --> 01:25:50,900
Tell me a little bit about
what you're doing with this legislation.
1819
01:25:50,901 --> 01:25:53,861
I was doing this research
about family influencers,
1820
01:25:53,862 --> 01:25:57,740
and I was seeing that a lot of parents
are monetizing their children online,
1821
01:25:57,741 --> 01:26:01,202
and it doesn't seem like the children
are able to opt out of this.
1822
01:26:01,203 --> 01:26:03,704
It is a lot harder when
your parents are your bosses
1823
01:26:03,705 --> 01:26:05,541
and the set is your house.
1824
01:26:06,959 --> 01:26:09,168
[Demi] It feels like maybe a child
1825
01:26:09,169 --> 01:26:11,546
- doesn't know when to turn it off.
- [Chris McCarty] Right.
1826
01:26:11,547 --> 01:26:14,674
Because they have to be on all the time,
and that can be really damaging.
1827
01:26:14,675 --> 01:26:17,218
[Chris McCarty] Right, I have an idea
for a new policy concept,
1828
01:26:17,219 --> 01:26:20,888
and I went to Washington
State legislature.
1829
01:26:20,889 --> 01:26:23,099
Hello, Representative Reeves.
1830
01:26:23,100 --> 01:26:24,892
A lot of cold calling, cold emailing.
1831
01:26:24,893 --> 01:26:27,603
I had a phone script,
I had an email script.
1832
01:26:27,604 --> 01:26:31,566
Eventually, connected with
Representative Kristine Reeves.
1833
01:26:31,567 --> 01:26:34,277
[Demi] I wanted to talk to you
about this bill that you're passing,
1834
01:26:34,278 --> 01:26:37,238
and what was it that made
you wanna get involved?
1835
01:26:37,239 --> 01:26:40,074
[Kristine Reeves] When I got
into politics, my kids were 2 and 4,
1836
01:26:40,075 --> 01:26:42,285
and I was walking down
the hall in my house,
1837
01:26:42,286 --> 01:26:45,204
and I hear my daughter
giggling in the mirror going,
1838
01:26:45,205 --> 01:26:48,624
"Like and subscribe!"
And I just thought, "What on earth?
1839
01:26:48,625 --> 01:26:50,459
- Where did she hear that?"
- Right.
1840
01:26:50,460 --> 01:26:53,462
Here my 7-year-old daughter's
got my makeup brushes out,
1841
01:26:53,463 --> 01:26:55,882
doing a makeup tutorial
in the bathroom mirror,
1842
01:26:55,883 --> 01:26:58,926
and I think it just clicked
very quickly for me.
1843
01:26:58,927 --> 01:27:01,721
The internet is kind of this unregulated
1844
01:27:01,722 --> 01:27:04,265
kind of wild, wild West,
and if, if not us,
1845
01:27:04,266 --> 01:27:06,767
if not parents who are
paying attention to this,
1846
01:27:06,768 --> 01:27:07,895
who's gonna take care of it?
1847
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:12,565
When I was a child actor,
I had a Coogan Account.
1848
01:27:12,566 --> 01:27:16,110
- [Kristine] Mm-hmm.
- Um, which puts money into a reserve
1849
01:27:16,111 --> 01:27:19,030
so that you can get it
whenever you turn 18.
1850
01:27:19,031 --> 01:27:20,573
Well, and that's what
this bill does, right?
1851
01:27:20,574 --> 01:27:24,577
It proposes that we would
create accounts from folks
1852
01:27:24,578 --> 01:27:28,414
who are basically monetizing
their children on social media
1853
01:27:28,415 --> 01:27:30,958
to ensure that those kids
have the opportunity
1854
01:27:30,959 --> 01:27:33,085
to have some compensation.
1855
01:27:33,086 --> 01:27:35,796
The bill also focuses on ensuring
1856
01:27:35,797 --> 01:27:38,925
that the kids have the opportunity
to go to these platforms
1857
01:27:38,926 --> 01:27:41,219
and to request that their
likeness be taken down,
1858
01:27:41,220 --> 01:27:43,429
to be able to kind of
take that power back.
1859
01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:46,182
You know, there have
to be children out there
1860
01:27:46,183 --> 01:27:48,643
who want to make YouTube videos.
1861
01:27:48,644 --> 01:27:50,978
- Just for fun.
- Yeah, my daughter, apparently.
1862
01:27:50,979 --> 01:27:52,647
- In the bathroom.
- [laughs] Like your daughter.
1863
01:27:52,648 --> 01:27:57,401
And so it's not about stopping kids
that want to be online.
1864
01:27:57,402 --> 01:27:59,195
It's just about protecting them.
1865
01:27:59,196 --> 01:28:00,947
- [Kristine] Yeah.
- [♪ soft music playing]
1866
01:28:00,948 --> 01:28:02,949
[Demi] Thank you so much. You're amazing.
1867
01:28:02,950 --> 01:28:06,077
Oh, well, it's Chris
is actually who's amazing.
1868
01:28:06,078 --> 01:28:08,412
Like, they, they did a lot of the homework
and the research
1869
01:28:08,413 --> 01:28:09,830
- to, like, make this all...
- Yeah.
1870
01:28:09,831 --> 01:28:11,207
...kind of come to fruition.
1871
01:28:11,208 --> 01:28:14,168
And so, getting the opportunity
to have somebody so young
1872
01:28:14,169 --> 01:28:17,255
just believe in government
the way that I do, that, you know...
1873
01:28:17,256 --> 01:28:19,550
'cause I fundamentally believe
government can be a force for good.
1874
01:28:20,384 --> 01:28:23,511
House Bill 1627 is a bill to protect kids
1875
01:28:23,512 --> 01:28:26,722
who are monetized on family
social media accounts.
1876
01:28:26,723 --> 01:28:29,976
[Alyson] Taking steps to safeguard
a child influencer's earnings
1877
01:28:29,977 --> 01:28:33,521
and privacy is a crucial step
in minimizing the harm
1878
01:28:33,522 --> 01:28:36,524
that hundreds of thousands of children
1879
01:28:36,525 --> 01:28:39,402
have already experienced
across traditional
1880
01:28:39,403 --> 01:28:42,154
and digital media,
myself being one of them.
1881
01:28:42,155 --> 01:28:44,448
[reporter] First-of-its-kind law
takes effect in Illinois.
1882
01:28:44,449 --> 01:28:46,701
[legislator 1] SB 764 applies
the Coogan Act to modern performers.
1883
01:28:46,702 --> 01:28:48,452
[legislator 2]
34 to 0, the measure passes.
1884
01:28:48,453 --> 01:28:50,414
[echoing gavel bangs]
1885
01:28:52,124 --> 01:28:53,291
[Demi] I can't put my fame away.
1886
01:28:53,292 --> 01:28:55,918
Like, I can't just say
"I don't wanna be famous,"
1887
01:28:55,919 --> 01:28:58,422
and that can be a little isolating.
1888
01:28:59,464 --> 01:29:02,466
But, I got a second chance at life,
1889
01:29:02,467 --> 01:29:06,471
and because of that,
I appreciate every day that I have.
1890
01:29:07,181 --> 01:29:10,766
You know, I feel like I have a little bit
more permission to celebrate the wins.
1891
01:29:10,767 --> 01:29:13,227
[excited set chatter]
1892
01:29:13,228 --> 01:29:15,021
[Nicola] Alright, hello, everybody!
1893
01:29:15,022 --> 01:29:16,439
[chatter continues]
1894
01:29:16,440 --> 01:29:19,025
- [Drew] Demi!
- [Demi laughs]
1895
01:29:19,026 --> 01:29:20,651
[people chattering]
1896
01:29:20,652 --> 01:29:24,655
- [audience cheering]
- [indistinct chatter]
1897
01:29:24,656 --> 01:29:28,618
I mean, [scoffs]
you know the road better than most
1898
01:29:28,619 --> 01:29:31,454
- of like how... I'm like...
- [indistinct yelling]
1899
01:29:31,455 --> 01:29:34,874
"How did we even get here?
Are we gonna be able to stay here?"
1900
01:29:34,875 --> 01:29:38,127
I always think
it's getting creative [indistinct].
1901
01:29:38,128 --> 01:29:41,005
- Do you still have that, like...
- [Demi] Yes, of course.
1902
01:29:41,006 --> 01:29:44,091
Okay, good. Oh, good!
That makes me feel so not alone.
1903
01:29:44,092 --> 01:29:46,469
- [Demi laughs]
- And it's like, I'm like, "Be present.
1904
01:29:46,470 --> 01:29:49,138
- Don't be afraid of it disappearing."
- [Demi] Yeah. Yeah.
1905
01:29:49,139 --> 01:29:50,515
[Drew] When will we feel stable?
1906
01:29:50,516 --> 01:29:53,601
I don't know, but we're gonna keep moving.
1907
01:29:53,602 --> 01:29:56,688
[wild cheering, applause]
1908
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:11,619
[Nicola] do you think stories
help you understand yourself?
1909
01:30:11,620 --> 01:30:12,703
Yeah.
1910
01:30:12,704 --> 01:30:16,958
It's fun to write and draw
and do all those stuff.
1911
01:30:16,959 --> 01:30:19,502
I've actually made
a story about me before.
1912
01:30:19,503 --> 01:30:21,629
I feel like if I don't, like,
use my imagination
1913
01:30:21,630 --> 01:30:22,713
and express myself,
1914
01:30:22,714 --> 01:30:24,299
it kind of just is like...
1915
01:30:25,217 --> 01:30:27,260
like, I don't really know
if there's, like, a word for it,
1916
01:30:27,261 --> 01:30:30,596
but, like, when you feel like
you're not really, like,
1917
01:30:30,597 --> 01:30:31,806
living, I guess?
1918
01:30:31,807 --> 01:30:34,892
[Nicola] What is the hardest thing
about being a kid?
1919
01:30:34,893 --> 01:30:37,144
♪
1920
01:30:37,145 --> 01:30:39,231
Probably when, like,
1921
01:30:40,399 --> 01:30:42,401
you feel misunderstood.
1922
01:30:43,235 --> 01:30:47,739
Like, when nobody knows what
you're talking about but you.
1923
01:30:48,699 --> 01:30:51,075
I feel that way a lot.
1924
01:30:51,076 --> 01:30:53,036
[Nicola] And so, what do you do?
1925
01:30:54,371 --> 01:30:56,915
Sometimes, I write down
a song in my notebook.
1926
01:30:58,500 --> 01:31:00,042
[Demi] There's always been an intensity
1927
01:31:00,043 --> 01:31:03,212
that I've felt since I was a child
1928
01:31:03,213 --> 01:31:06,674
and just never wanted to have a diary
1929
01:31:06,675 --> 01:31:08,885
because you never know
who's gonna find it one day.
1930
01:31:08,886 --> 01:31:10,511
[♪ indistinct singing]
1931
01:31:10,512 --> 01:31:13,806
I always turn to music as a safe way
1932
01:31:13,807 --> 01:31:16,058
for me to feel my emotions,
1933
01:31:16,059 --> 01:31:18,644
and it saved me a lot of times.
1934
01:31:18,645 --> 01:31:21,356
♪
1935
01:31:35,662 --> 01:31:36,663
[door shuts]
1936
01:31:48,634 --> 01:31:49,885
Okay!
1937
01:31:53,597 --> 01:31:55,806
I'm back!
1938
01:31:55,807 --> 01:31:57,892
[♪ gentle music playing]
1939
01:31:57,893 --> 01:32:00,979
[♪ vocalizing]
1940
01:32:04,191 --> 01:32:06,984
Building that connection to music again
is the most important thing
1941
01:32:06,985 --> 01:32:10,613
- I can do for myself as an artist.
- ♪ Whoa... ♪
1942
01:32:10,614 --> 01:32:13,367
[♪ vocalizing continues]
1943
01:32:14,701 --> 01:32:17,119
[singing] ♪ It's all gonna happen ♪
1944
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:19,706
♪ But not how you think ♪
1945
01:32:20,582 --> 01:32:24,043
So, it's just like lifting
that melody a little bit.
1946
01:32:24,044 --> 01:32:26,754
[♪ Oak vocalizing]
1947
01:32:26,755 --> 01:32:30,258
I think the second pre-chorus you should
extend until it's full length, though.
1948
01:32:30,259 --> 01:32:33,135
- [Demi] Okay.
- I like a short first pre,
1949
01:32:33,136 --> 01:32:36,222
- but it'd be nice to go what you'd like...
- [♪ restarts music]
1950
01:32:36,223 --> 01:32:38,015
♪ Da da da, da da da ♪
1951
01:32:38,016 --> 01:32:41,894
Oh, that's beautiful! I love that.
1952
01:32:41,895 --> 01:32:44,772
- [Oak] ♪ We'll be okay, whoa ♪
- [singer] ♪ We'll be okay ♪
1953
01:32:44,773 --> 01:32:47,024
[♪ vocalizing]
1954
01:32:47,025 --> 01:32:50,987
[Demi and singer]
♪ Wide eyes, wild heart ♪
1955
01:32:50,988 --> 01:32:53,281
♪ Blowing out candles ♪
1956
01:32:53,282 --> 01:32:55,241
- ♪ Blowing out candles ♪
- [Oak] ♪ Wishing on stars ♪
1957
01:32:55,242 --> 01:32:56,909
- ♪ Wishing on stars ♪
- [Oak] ♪ Stars ♪
1958
01:32:56,910 --> 01:32:59,912
- ♪ One day ♪
- Yeah, and then so you're gonna have to...
1959
01:32:59,913 --> 01:33:02,373
♪ You'll bring ♪
1960
01:33:02,374 --> 01:33:07,170
♪ It's all gonna happen,
but not how you think... ♪
1961
01:33:07,171 --> 01:33:08,713
♪
1962
01:33:08,714 --> 01:33:11,007
If you had to do everything
from the very start
1963
01:33:11,008 --> 01:33:13,760
all over again, is it worth it?
1964
01:33:14,344 --> 01:33:17,138
[Demi] I try to live by the philosophy
of never having regrets.
1965
01:33:17,139 --> 01:33:18,222
[Chris Smith] Mm-hmm.
1966
01:33:18,223 --> 01:33:22,226
And I've made some really
questionable choices in my life,
1967
01:33:22,227 --> 01:33:25,188
but I wouldn't end up
where I am in this moment
1968
01:33:25,189 --> 01:33:28,357
right now today
had I not made all the choices
1969
01:33:28,358 --> 01:33:31,694
that I made in my life
leading up to this point.
1970
01:33:31,695 --> 01:33:34,113
- [Chris Smith] Oh, there we go!
- [Demi] Wait, do one more.
1971
01:33:34,114 --> 01:33:36,073
- Do your iconic pose!
- Wait, what's my iconic pose?
1972
01:33:36,074 --> 01:33:38,576
- [kids squeal]
- Okay, okay, ready?
1973
01:33:38,577 --> 01:33:41,829
- [laughing] Alright.
- [fan] Yes!
1974
01:33:41,830 --> 01:33:44,707
- [laughter, chatter]
- ♪ Wide eyes ♪
1975
01:33:44,708 --> 01:33:47,335
♪ Wild heart ♪
1976
01:33:47,336 --> 01:33:49,837
♪ Blowing out candles ♪
1977
01:33:49,838 --> 01:33:52,590
♪ Wishing on stars ♪
1978
01:33:52,591 --> 01:33:57,803
♪ One day, you'll blink ♪
1979
01:33:57,804 --> 01:33:59,972
♪ It's all gonna happen ♪
1980
01:33:59,973 --> 01:34:02,141
- ♪ But not how you can think ♪
- [Demi] You look so beautiful!
1981
01:34:02,142 --> 01:34:06,395
- [crowd cheering]
- ♪ Can't stop you, don't want to ♪
1982
01:34:06,396 --> 01:34:08,397
♪ Here's what I wish I knew ♪
1983
01:34:08,398 --> 01:34:12,276
When I do throw that
flare out into the sky,
1984
01:34:12,277 --> 01:34:14,153
that flare attracts others.
1985
01:34:14,154 --> 01:34:18,115
It's that connection where they understand
and know where I was coming from.
1986
01:34:18,116 --> 01:34:20,910
Here's to growth, to the amazing memories
1987
01:34:20,911 --> 01:34:23,079
that we've made this year!
1988
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:26,082
Ten, nine, eight, seven, six,
1989
01:34:26,083 --> 01:34:30,253
five, four, three, two,
1990
01:34:30,254 --> 01:34:33,172
one. Happy New Year!
1991
01:34:33,173 --> 01:34:38,595
♪ The sharks in the water
will teach you to swim ♪
1992
01:34:39,012 --> 01:34:43,684
♪ The thorns on the roses
will thicken your skin ♪
1993
01:34:44,351 --> 01:34:49,690
♪ People might hurt you
and break promises ♪
1994
01:34:50,232 --> 01:34:53,609
♪ But darling, I promise you this ♪
1995
01:34:53,610 --> 01:34:57,406
♪ You'll be okay, kid ♪
1996
01:34:58,824 --> 01:35:02,536
♪ You'll okay, kid ♪
1997
01:35:04,079 --> 01:35:06,873
♪ You'll be okay ♪
1998
01:35:06,874 --> 01:35:08,458
[♪ song ends]
1999
01:35:12,296 --> 01:35:14,630
[♪ "You'll Be OK, Kid"
by Demi Lovato playing]
2000
01:35:14,631 --> 01:35:17,633
♪ Slow down, deep breath ♪
2001
01:35:17,634 --> 01:35:22,889
♪ Don't let the monsters
scare you to death ♪
2002
01:35:22,890 --> 01:35:27,977
♪ They'll try to tear you apart ♪
2003
01:35:27,978 --> 01:35:33,274
♪ But know that you're perfect
the way that you are ♪
2004
01:35:33,275 --> 01:35:36,277
♪ I know you can't see it now ♪
2005
01:35:36,278 --> 01:35:39,781
♪ But someday, it all works out ♪
2006
01:35:41,033 --> 01:35:46,245
♪ The sharks in the water
will teach you to swim ♪
2007
01:35:46,246 --> 01:35:52,001
♪ The thorns on the roses
will thicken your skin ♪
2008
01:35:52,002 --> 01:35:57,173
♪ People might hurt you
and break promises ♪
2009
01:35:57,174 --> 01:36:01,385
♪ But, darling, I promise you this ♪
2010
01:36:01,386 --> 01:36:04,515
♪ You'll be okay, kid ♪
2011
01:36:06,558 --> 01:36:10,562
♪ You'll be okay, kid ♪
2012
01:36:11,313 --> 01:36:15,609
♪ You'll make it like I did ♪
2013
01:36:17,277 --> 01:36:21,073
♪ You'll be okay, kid ♪
2014
01:36:22,616 --> 01:36:26,578
♪ You'll be okay, kid ♪
2015
01:36:27,829 --> 01:36:32,125
♪ You'll be okay, kid ♪
2016
01:36:33,168 --> 01:36:36,880
♪ You'll be okay, kid ♪
2017
01:36:38,382 --> 01:36:42,261
♪ You'll be okay, kid ♪
2018
01:36:43,887 --> 01:36:46,890
♪ You'll be okay ♪
2019
01:36:50,102 --> 01:36:52,729
[♪ gentle music playing]
2020
01:37:09,705 --> 01:37:11,289
[♪ music fades out]
2021
01:37:11,290 --> 01:37:12,374
[shuffling]
2022
01:37:15,836 --> 01:37:17,129
[shimmering]
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