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[ Man Narrating]
In the criminal justice system,
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the people are represented by two separate
yet equally important groups-
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the police, who investigate crime,
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and the district attorneys,
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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[Rock, Loud] [Man]
Two ales! One light and one dark!
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[People Chattering]
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- I should've told ya to get two.
- Nah. There's too many people.
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- Hey, where's Joey?
- Way too many old people
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- Two guesses.
- I swear, he finishes his, he ain't gettin' any of mine.
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Hey, get us a place up close.
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[ Crowd Chanting Indistinct]
[ Snorting ]
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[Man] And now, the band
you've all been waiting for.
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- Come on. Self-control, man.
- [Coughs] Look-- Look who's talking.
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Listen, when the music starts, I'm the one
who's gonna be flying, and I don't share.
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- Not even for baby brother?
- I'm serious, man!
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[Explosion, Muffled]
Fine. One more hit.
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[ People Screaming]
Screw this. I'm not missing the opening.
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[ Screaming Continues] Dam n!
We already missed it!
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[Screaming]
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There's gotta be a window
in here somewhere!
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[Girl] I was tryin' to find Rick.
He went for a drink.
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The crowd was pushing.
I didn't know what happened.
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I kept yelling at people to get off me
sol could find him.
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I don't even know if he's okay.
Nobody will tell me anything.
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They've already taken a bunch of people to the
hospital, so it's gonna take some time to sort it out.
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- He didn't even wanna come here tonight.
- Were you able to see how it started?
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[ Siren Wails ]
Why didn't we go bowling?
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Ricky?
[Gasps]
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Ricky! Ricky! Oh!
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- Noise, dope and fire-- Same old Wotan.
- You've heard of Wotan?
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I worked security at the Garden
20 years ago.
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- Hey, Williams.
- Quite a mess.
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- You wanna give us a tour?
- Sure, if you feel like having the ceiling collapse on your head.
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- Should be safe in a couple of hours.
- How many people were in the club?
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Between 300 and 400. Paramedics have already
taken at least 70 people to three hospitals.
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Burns and smoke inhalation mostly.
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Broken bones from the pushing and shoving.
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I'd say we're lucky
there weren't more fatalities.
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[Police Radio Chatter]
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[ Williams ]
Typical Friday night.
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[ Briscoe]
Yeah, in Tel Aviv.
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[Radio Chatter Continues]
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[ Williams ] It's gonna be hours
before I can get you in there.
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- Bunch of cretins. it was like tossin' a match in to a hays tack.
- They don't have sprinklers?
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They're not required in a public facility
with a maximum occupancy of 74 or less.
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Wait. Didn't you say there were
between 300 and 400 people in there?
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The nitwit at the door didn't major in math.
That gets the owner a fine.
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Can you imagine? Nine bodies were found near
the front doors- trampled tryin' to get out.
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- There had to be other doors, right?
- Sure, in the back.
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Nobody could see them.
�Exit� signs were dark.
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That's gotta be a code violation.
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Bad lightbulb gets them fine number two.
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Twenty-three people dead. Somebody's gonna
do more than pay a couple of bucks.
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Ask me? Go right to the needle. Do
not pass �Go.� Do not pay $200.
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Let me ask you this:
How'd the band get out?
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- Three of them through doors backstage.
- And the fourth?
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He was one of the 23.
Bass player.
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Larry something.
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Look, as soon as I know what
started this mess, I'll call you.
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I'm no expert, but I saw these
guys a half a lifetime ago.
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- Back then, they always lined the stage with ?amethrowers.
- They still do.
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Prometheus 530 flame projectors,
to be precise.
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The thing is, there's no way that Prometheus should
spit out fire high enough to hit the ceiling.
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What's the ceiling got to do with it?
Made of polyurethane.
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Which burns fast as hell.
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[Sighs] That's the
manager over there.
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- Name's Champa.
- Thanks.
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[Policewoman Chattering]
Mr. Champa.
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- This is a nightmare. My life savin's was in that club.
- [Briscoe ] Oh, really?
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I know 23 families
who really don't give a damn.
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Of course I feel for those people,
but what could I have done?
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First, you could've checked to see
if your ceiling was ?ammable.
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The neighbors complained about the noise,
sol put up soundproofing.
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The guy who sold it to me
never said anything.
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You shouldn't have hired a band
that plays with fire.
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I don't. All that crap is specifically
prohibited in the artist contracts.
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[Green]
And Wotan signed this contract?
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Sure, man.
They wanted to get paid.
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[Guitar: Blues Riff]
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People say Jack Bruce
can play bass.
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But they never listened to Larry,
you know?
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Like, really listened to Larry.
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'Cause he was just
a whole 'nother planet.
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[Continues]
I can't believe that he's gone.
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Along with 22 paying customers.
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- [Briscoe] Look, Mr. Connor.
- What do you mean by that?
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For 10 bucks a ticket,
people don't expect to get barbecued.
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- You're blamin' us for this?
- Your contract did specifically say no fireworks.
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- I didn't know that.
- But you read the part about how much you guys were gonna get paid.
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Matter of fact, I didn't.
Cause Maxie takes care of that.
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Maxie?
Our manager-- Maxie.
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Fire is Wotan's trademark. KISS has the makeup.
Townshend smashes his guitars.
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Rock and roll isn't just
about the music.
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It's the show.
It's the spectacle.
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- Unfortunately, this "spectacle" doesn't allow fire.
- Yeah,yeah. Right.
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That is the same mumbo jumbo in every
contract in every punk-ass club in America.
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And you always ignore it?
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Look, a club hires Wotan,
they hire the whole package.
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-Very bright lights, very loud music--
-Very big flames.
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The fans expect it. If we didn't give
it to 'em, hell, they'd walk out.
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Yeah, we signed the contract.
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But the club owner-- like every
other club owner in America-
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gives us the big "wink, wink" when we did.
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- You saying that he knew that Wotan was gonna
use fire in the act? - Of course he did
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We used it the night before.
No complaints then.
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No problems either. Hey, after 26
years, we know what we're doin'.
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Our stuff didn't
burn that place down.
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Who's in charge of your �stuff�?
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These guys went to Juilliard.
They're really good musicians.
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But nobody paid any attention to their music
till we started lighting up the stage.
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I kept telling them we didn't
need a gimmick, but Teddy--
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- Ah, what difference does it make now?
- Actually, it makes a huge difference now, Nick.
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G?tterd?mmerung.
God bless you
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It's a German opera.
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Wotan and the other gods--
at the end--
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they all die in this amazing fire.
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Wait. Hold on. Are you saying
that Teddy wanted to die?
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No, I'm not.
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He just wouldn't let go
of this pyro-mythology thing.
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And you're the guy who kept his dream alive?
Yeah, I'm the guy.
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But I set up the equipment
before they went on stage...
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just like I do every night.
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And I'm the guy
who hit the �On� switch.
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There's no way
we caused this thing.
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Twenty-three people are dead
because of an opera?
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The Germans--
what are ya gonna do?
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I'll tell you what the taxpayers want me to do.
They want me to string someone up. That's what.
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And we would like nothing more than that.
But the problem is, who?
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Wotan violated a contract.
They didn't break no laws.
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[Briscoe ] The fire marshal can't say
how or when the damn thing started
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For all we know,
somebody in the crowd lit a candle.
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The bottom line is,
ain't nobody saw nothin'
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Someone did. This is a transcript
of one of the thirty-two 911 calls.
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�I'm at Danzibar."
[Green] That's the club.
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�There's a fire on the stage."
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I freaked I saw it on the news, but the
hospitals weren't giving out names.
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That's the last time I let her go
to one of those things.
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Everything went dark. The only thing
that you could see was fire.
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People were screaming.
I didn't know what to do.
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People were crawling
on the floor.
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Larry's hair was on fire.
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I tried to help this one girl.
And I grabbed her wrist,
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and her-- her skin
came off in my hand.
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Do you really
have to do this now?
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I'm okay.
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[Sniffles]
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I had my cell in my purse,
and I called 911 right away.
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I didn't know
what else I could do.
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That's all you could do.
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Now, in your call,
you said the stage was on fire?
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Yeah, that's right.
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Did you see how the fire
actually started?
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It just looked like
all of their other concerts.
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Except, um--
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Except what?
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They always start with Larry and James
at the mike...
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[Sniff es]
with Wotan-- that's Teddy.
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- And what about last night?
- Larry, the bassist--
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He didn't move.
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Um, if I'm the stage,
which side is he on?
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- You can see this is hard for her.
- [ Green ] She did great. We 're done. Thank you.
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Thank you so much.
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Tums out the girl was right. The fire did
start on the left side of the stage.
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- Accident?
- You tell me.
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Gaines, these are the detectives working on
the Danzibar fire. Show them what you've got.
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I've been trying to replicate
the conditions that started the fire...
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using the six throwers
recovered from the site.
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They work
with this ?ammable black powder.
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- You pack it in like this.
- Looks like a giant M80.
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This one doesn't blow up,
just flames up.
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Given the layout of the stage, there's no way
that flame could have reached the ceiling-
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on five of the throwers anyway.
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- What about the sixth one?
- That's a whole other ball of wax.
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- That's the one that was on the left side of the stage?
- That would be correct.
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See this residue burnt into the metal
of the cylinder?
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It goes twice as high as in the others-
above the level of the electric fuse.
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This one burned twice as hot
as it's supposed to.
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What are you saying?
It was defective?
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Even if it was, it couldn't burn that hot
without twice as much powder.
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- You mean it was packed wrong?
- I mean it was packed twice.
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Somebody wanted this thing
to burn big.
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Why don't you take us
through your night, Nick.
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- What do you mean?
- Well, you got to the club, you blew your nose, whatever.
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I got there about 8:00.
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The throwers were locked in storage in the back of
the club, 'cause we used them the night before.
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I, uh, took them out.
I loaded them same as always.
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Was this before or after
a couple of tokes?
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I don't do that, man
I'm clean since '94.
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- Keep goin'.
- I, uh-- I set them on stage, the same places as always.
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Did you test them?
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Well, why would I? They
worked fine the night before.
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Okay. That gets us to 10:00.
The band went on about 11 :00.
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- What'd you do for that hour, read a book?
- Why is he talkin' to me like that?
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Because you killed 23 people, Nick!
That gets me a little agitated.
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I told you-- What are you, some kind of sick
bastard that likes to watch things burn?
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Lennie!
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Okay. So, what'd you do next?
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I, uh-- I set up the lights.
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- And how long did that take you?
- I don't know.
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Forty, 45 minutes maybe.
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So you were done
15 minutes before showtime.
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Yeah, like always.
So there were 15 minutes where somebody could've rigged the thrower?
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- Why would anybody do that?
- Right now, I'm more interested in who.
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You're givin' this yahoo
too much credit, Ed.
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It wasn't me, okay?
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These guys pay me.
It's a steady gig.
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Why would I risk blowing that?
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The thrower started the fire.
You loaded the thrower.
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I'm not the only one who knows how.
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We've been doin' this a long time.
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I told you guys--
these guys are into flames.
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[Exhales]
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I mean, they all know
how to work the equipment.
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- Do you believe him?
- I think he's scared of his own shadow.
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I don't recall anyone
giving medals for bravery to arsonists.
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What else is a dude like this
gonna do for money?
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He had to know that would
put Wotan out of business-- the fire part of the show anyway.
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- I don't think he'd risk it.
- He might if he didn't know the ceiling was ?ammable.
220
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You play with fire,
you don't get the benefit of the doubt.
221
00:12:46,332 --> 00:12:50,439
True, but think about this.
The ?amethrower that was tampered with was right next to Larry.
222
00:12:50,503 --> 00:12:54,007
- Who's Larry?
- Larry's the bass player that didn't follow the normal routine that night.
223
00:12:54,073 --> 00:12:56,019
Which put him directly
in the hot zone.
224
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The flame hit the ceiling over his head,
and it came down on him.
225
00:12:59,512 --> 00:13:02,083
And who knew Larry wasn't going to be
where he was supposed to be?
226
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Let's find that out.
227
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- [Maxie] You're sayin' somebody
was out to get Larry? - No. We're just askin' questions.
228
00:13:09,389 --> 00:13:12,131
Wotan opens the show
the same way every night--
229
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Teddy,James and Larry at the mike,
center stage.
230
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- The one night they change--
- Oh, you think one of the guys?
231
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[Briscoe ]
Like I said, we're just askin'
232
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Come on. These guys
love each other like brothers.
233
00:13:22,602 --> 00:13:25,446
Hey, I love my brother,
but I can barely make it through Thanksgiving dinner.
234
00:13:25,505 --> 00:13:27,644
You spend every night together
for 26 years,
235
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somebody is bound
to get on somebody else's nerves.
236
00:13:30,576 --> 00:13:33,079
Yeah, they've had their disagreements,
sure, but nothin' to kill over.
237
00:13:33,146 --> 00:13:35,752
Why don't you let us
be the judge of that?
238
00:13:35,815 --> 00:13:37,761
Well, nothin' recently.
239
00:13:39,419 --> 00:13:41,990
- No, nah. No, it couldn't be.
- What?
240
00:13:42,055 --> 00:13:46,060
When we got back to New York,
Larry was bangin' Teddy's broad.
241
00:13:46,125 --> 00:13:48,799
�Teddy's broad"?
Is that how she's listed in the phone book?
242
00:13:48,861 --> 00:13:52,331
- Debbie something or other.
- Well, we 're gettin' closer.
243
00:13:52,398 --> 00:13:54,901
Grimes. She lives
down in Soho somewhere, I think.
244
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[ Woman ]
Larry was great, man, the best.
245
00:13:59,339 --> 00:14:01,717
I assume you're talking
about his bass playing.
246
00:14:01,774 --> 00:14:05,620
Hey, I'm not crude.
The guy is dead. Let's show some respect.
247
00:14:05,678 --> 00:14:07,624
My partner is just
a little old-fashioned.
248
00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:09,626
He just thought that you movin'
from Teddy to Larry...
249
00:14:09,682 --> 00:14:12,424
might have brought on
some hard feelings between the two of them.
250
00:14:12,485 --> 00:14:15,022
Hell, he's a dinosaur.
251
00:14:15,088 --> 00:14:19,537
Look, I was happy when Teddy
remembered my name, okay?
252
00:14:19,592 --> 00:14:23,734
[ Laughing]
I mean, these guys, they don't fight over babes.
253
00:14:23,796 --> 00:14:27,369
When they got back to the city--
I think it was CBGB's--
254
00:14:27,433 --> 00:14:31,279
I went to Teddy's dressing room
like always, knocked on the door,
255
00:14:31,337 --> 00:14:33,943
but he was otherwise occupied.
256
00:14:34,007 --> 00:14:36,283
You got a name?
Of which one?
257
00:14:36,342 --> 00:14:38,288
I knew I should have
stuck with the guitar.
258
00:14:38,344 --> 00:14:40,950
- You always go backstage?
- Yeah, so?
259
00:14:41,014 --> 00:14:42,960
- [Green] You were there the night of the fire?
- Sure.
260
00:14:43,015 --> 00:14:45,621
- [Briscoe] Who else was there with you?
- The guys, some chicks.
261
00:14:45,685 --> 00:14:48,291
- You remember any names?
- One of them, I do.
262
00:14:48,354 --> 00:14:52,063
- Terry. She's, like, always there.
- [Green] Terry?
263
00:14:52,125 --> 00:14:55,265
- Yeah, that's her.
- She's got a pierced eyebrow, long brown hair?
264
00:14:55,328 --> 00:14:58,138
That's the girl who called 911.
265
00:14:58,197 --> 00:15:02,612
- Sounds to me like you're a regular
at these Wotan gigs. - I like their music.
266
00:15:02,668 --> 00:15:04,614
A lot of people
like their music, Teresa.
267
00:15:04,670 --> 00:15:06,672
They don't all get
backstage passes.
268
00:15:06,739 --> 00:15:09,310
What are you,
my dad or something?
269
00:15:09,375 --> 00:15:13,448
Look, I'm not the first girl
to like hanging out with musicians.
270
00:15:13,513 --> 00:15:17,484
There's no sex or anything.
I just party with them, and that's as far as it goes.
271
00:15:17,550 --> 00:15:20,724
Why didn't you tell us
you were in their dressing room the first time we talked?
272
00:15:20,787 --> 00:15:23,358
Duh. My mother was standing
right there, remember?
273
00:15:24,624 --> 00:15:27,195
What, do you guys really think
I had something to do with that fire?
274
00:15:27,260 --> 00:15:30,264
No, no. But now that we got
all our cards on the table,
275
00:15:30,329 --> 00:15:32,605
maybe you can help us
find out who did.
276
00:15:32,665 --> 00:15:36,909
Let me ask you this. Fifteen minutes
before the band goes on, who's backstage with you?
277
00:15:36,969 --> 00:15:39,142
- The band.
- Come on.
278
00:15:39,205 --> 00:15:43,517
[Sighs]
Nick, a couple of new girls.
279
00:15:43,576 --> 00:15:45,715
Um, Pete, Glen.
280
00:15:45,778 --> 00:15:47,951
- Who?
- The roadies.
281
00:15:50,616 --> 00:15:53,460
- You know, Mitch wasn't there.
- [Briscoe] Who's Mitch?
282
00:15:53,519 --> 00:15:55,430
The sound guy.
283
00:15:59,592 --> 00:16:01,868
That's right.
I wasn't partying
284
00:16:01,928 --> 00:16:03,930
Someone in that damn crew
has to do some work.
285
00:16:03,996 --> 00:16:08,206
- So you were busy turning dials, huh?
- Somethin' like that.
286
00:16:08,267 --> 00:16:11,578
You know, in the long run,
it was time to hang up the ol' spurs.
287
00:16:11,637 --> 00:16:14,277
All that travelin' was gettin' to me.
This is where I belong.
288
00:16:14,340 --> 00:16:18,618
- Turning dials.
- You know, that was funny once.
289
00:16:18,678 --> 00:16:21,716
What about the dials
on the ?amethrower? You turn them too?
290
00:16:21,781 --> 00:16:23,727
Screw you.
291
00:16:23,783 --> 00:16:26,923
Now, you see,
that kind of attitude's gonna get you in trouble.
292
00:16:26,986 --> 00:16:31,696
It turns out everybody but you
was in Teddy's room partying before the show.
293
00:16:31,757 --> 00:16:36,263
Really? Look, I didn't mess
with the throwers.
294
00:16:36,329 --> 00:16:38,866
But I have a feeling he knows who did,
don't you, Ed?
295
00:16:38,931 --> 00:16:40,933
Come on Mitch.
296
00:16:42,168 --> 00:16:44,375
Give us a hint.
Teddy.
297
00:16:44,437 --> 00:16:48,385
Man, he thought we still
should be playin' the Garden.
298
00:16:48,441 --> 00:16:50,387
Small wasn't good enough for him.
299
00:16:50,443 --> 00:16:53,947
I told him, �Let's go unplugged.
That'd be cool," right?
300
00:16:54,013 --> 00:16:56,015
- Mitch.
- The fire.
301
00:16:56,082 --> 00:16:59,188
Teddy was crazy about it.
He wanted it big, like the old days.
302
00:16:59,252 --> 00:17:04,099
He said, �If we think big,
if we act big, we'll be big."
303
00:17:04,156 --> 00:17:07,399
- So he wanted bigger pyro?
- Yeah.
304
00:17:07,460 --> 00:17:10,532
Nickie told him the clubs we played now
couldn't handle it.
305
00:17:10,596 --> 00:17:13,042
- That must have pissed Teddy off.
- Tell me about it.
306
00:17:13,099 --> 00:17:16,410
Just before the last gig,
the son of a bitch told me to rig the throwers.
307
00:17:16,469 --> 00:17:21,043
- So you were just following orders.
- Hey, I don't mess with that crap. I did my thing.
308
00:17:21,107 --> 00:17:24,520
When you left, where was Teddy?
309
00:17:26,078 --> 00:17:29,355
Onstage... alone.
310
00:17:29,415 --> 00:17:33,295
This dude is just a washed-up wannabe
who's tryin' to return to his rightful spot...
311
00:17:33,352 --> 00:17:35,354
at the top
of the rock-and-roll food chain.
312
00:17:35,421 --> 00:17:38,061
It would have been a lot safer
to write a couple of new songs.
313
00:17:38,124 --> 00:17:40,661
- [Scoffs ] You ever listen to any of their music?
- See, that's the thing.
314
00:17:40,726 --> 00:17:44,538
Whatever stardom Wotan had,
it ain't because of their music. It's because of their live shows.
315
00:17:44,597 --> 00:17:48,170
Connor thought
if he made a big enough bang with the press and his fans,
316
00:17:48,234 --> 00:17:51,147
that he could hock the tour bus
and start ridin' private jets again.
317
00:17:51,204 --> 00:17:53,150
So he burned down a club?
318
00:17:53,206 --> 00:17:55,152
Hey, Ozzy bit off a bat's head.
319
00:17:55,208 --> 00:17:58,018
He wanted more fire.
I doubt he thought it through.
320
00:17:58,077 --> 00:18:00,614
Guys, we can't arrest a man
on motive alone.
321
00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,354
All the physical evidence
went up in smoke, so to speak.
322
00:18:03,416 --> 00:18:06,989
The guy who works the equipment
says that Connor begged him? to rig the thrower
323
00:18:07,053 --> 00:18:08,999
And when he refused,
he asked the sound guy.
324
00:18:09,055 --> 00:18:13,333
Who will testify that he left Connor
alone on the stage before the show.
325
00:18:13,392 --> 00:18:16,601
Well, does this Connor know
how to operate this doohickey?
326
00:18:16,662 --> 00:18:18,801
Yeah, like playin' a "C" chord.
327
00:18:18,865 --> 00:18:23,610
All right. Let's light a fuse under this moron
and see how loud he screams.
328
00:18:23,669 --> 00:18:27,116
- [ Electric Bass]
- Stop! Stop!
329
00:18:27,173 --> 00:18:31,144
Damn it, Maxie! I said bigger. Bigger!
Doesn't anybody do �bigger� anymore?
330
00:18:31,210 --> 00:18:34,419
- I hear they got a lot of big guys
to choose from up in Ossining. - What?
331
00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,360
Teddy Connor, you're under arrest
for arson and murder 23 times.
332
00:18:38,417 --> 00:18:40,624
Now that's got a nice beat,
and you can dance to it.
333
00:18:40,686 --> 00:18:44,691
You have the right to remain silent.
Anything you say can be used against you in a court of law.
334
00:18:46,859 --> 00:18:50,898
Docket number 832677:
People v. Theodore Connor.
335
00:18:50,963 --> 00:18:54,706
One count of arson in the first degree.
Twenty-three counts of murder in the first degree.
336
00:18:56,135 --> 00:18:58,445
Didn't your mother teach you
about playing with matches?
337
00:18:58,504 --> 00:19:01,144
[ Woman]
Your Honor might not recognize my client, but he is--
338
00:19:01,207 --> 00:19:05,485
Oh, yes, she does. I sat in the mud
at Roosevelt Raceway back in '79.
339
00:19:05,544 --> 00:19:07,956
You were three hours late,
Mr. Connor.
340
00:19:08,014 --> 00:19:10,824
I hope Your Honor
will approach this with an open mind.
341
00:19:10,883 --> 00:19:13,523
Not to worry, counselor.
That's where I met my husband.
342
00:19:13,586 --> 00:19:15,862
How do you plead?
343
00:19:15,921 --> 00:19:18,333
- Not guilty.
- Ms. Southerlyn?
344
00:19:18,391 --> 00:19:22,703
- The People request remand, Judge.
The enormity of the crime itself-- - Is irrelevant.
345
00:19:24,330 --> 00:19:26,833
But the defendant's financial means isn't.
346
00:19:26,899 --> 00:19:29,539
- He's a flight risk, Your Honor.
- [Attorney] Ten years ago, maybe.
347
00:19:29,602 --> 00:19:32,776
Yes, Mr. Connor's made
a great deal of money in his career, but he has spent more.
348
00:19:32,838 --> 00:19:34,784
He can barely make ends meet.
349
00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:39,619
Why should he be any different?
Bail is set at 500,000, cash or bond.
350
00:19:39,679 --> 00:19:41,681
[Gavel Raps]
351
00:19:42,782 --> 00:19:46,059
Bad things happen, Jack.
They're not always criminal.
352
00:19:46,118 --> 00:19:49,031
[McCoy]
Twenty-three corpses is more than a "bad thing."
353
00:19:49,088 --> 00:19:51,830
It was an accident-
an act of God- not a murder.
354
00:19:51,891 --> 00:19:54,462
If God wanted that club to burn,
he wouldn't have used a ?amethrower.
355
00:19:54,527 --> 00:19:57,508
Are you saying that someone
screwed with our equipment?
356
00:19:57,563 --> 00:20:00,510
- No. I'm saying you did, Mr. Connor.
- Oh, this is crazy.
357
00:20:00,566 --> 00:20:04,605
As a crime is what it is.
Don't you see what happens here, jack?
358
00:20:04,670 --> 00:20:09,585
A high-profile client like Teddy Connor,
the mere fact that he's arrested makes him guilty in the eyes of the public.
359
00:20:09,642 --> 00:20:11,588
Actually, it's the jury
he should worry about.
360
00:20:11,644 --> 00:20:14,181
The jury, I can handle.
What happens when he's acquitted?
361
00:20:14,246 --> 00:20:16,817
Who's going to a Wotan concert
now you've ruined his good name?
362
00:20:16,882 --> 00:20:19,055
Who are you kidding?
Notoriety sells tickets.
363
00:20:19,118 --> 00:20:22,429
We're not gonna take that chance.
When Mr. Connor's acquitted,
364
00:20:22,488 --> 00:20:25,367
we'll want there to be
a fully public record.
365
00:20:27,026 --> 00:20:29,028
My motion to let TV cameras
in the courtroom.
366
00:20:30,229 --> 00:20:32,607
The world's gonna
watch this one, Jack.
367
00:20:32,665 --> 00:20:34,667
If I were you, I'd get a new suit.
368
00:20:39,939 --> 00:20:41,885
Counsel is wasting everyone's time.
369
00:20:41,941 --> 00:20:44,285
Section 52 of the New York
Civil Rights Law...
370
00:20:44,343 --> 00:20:48,223
specifically prohibits
cameras of any sort in the courtroom.
371
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,590
And said law was passed
in 1952.
372
00:20:50,649 --> 00:20:54,187
It's about time New York made that
giant leap into the 21 st century.
373
00:20:54,253 --> 00:20:57,757
We are only one of nine states
that have a per se ban-- And I'm sure Ms. Teller is aware...
374
00:20:57,823 --> 00:21:01,600
making that leap
is the bailiwick of the legislature and not a trial court, Judge.
375
00:21:01,661 --> 00:21:05,632
It is when a statute
violates the First Amendment,
376
00:21:05,698 --> 00:21:07,700
which requires that criminal trials
be open to the press...
377
00:21:07,767 --> 00:21:12,079
unless there are compelling
and clearly articulated reasons for closing such proceedings.
378
00:21:12,138 --> 00:21:14,209
This is a high-profile case,
Your Honor.
379
00:21:14,273 --> 00:21:18,187
Surely press from around the planet
will be intent on reporting it.
380
00:21:18,244 --> 00:21:20,554
Obviously, our meager courtrooms
will not permit--
381
00:21:20,613 --> 00:21:23,617
[McCoy]
I'm not concerned about the press. I'm concerned about a fair trial,
382
00:21:23,682 --> 00:21:26,390
which means keeping the hoopla
to a minimum.
383
00:21:26,452 --> 00:21:30,594
- Albany obviously shares that concern.
- You are putting a rock star on trial.
384
00:21:30,656 --> 00:21:32,727
Hoopla is a foregone conclusion.
385
00:21:32,792 --> 00:21:37,172
Your Honor, there is precedent
ignoring the statutory ban. New York v. Boss, People v. Barron.
386
00:21:37,229 --> 00:21:39,175
What's really going on here,
counselor?
387
00:21:39,231 --> 00:21:42,405
If my client is to be crucified
because he's a public figure,
388
00:21:42,468 --> 00:21:45,244
the least I can ask is that
the public bear witness.
389
00:21:47,006 --> 00:21:50,476
What the hell? It's about time we got
those old boys in Albany off their butts.
390
00:21:50,543 --> 00:21:53,752
- Your Honor!
- Come on, Jack. Who's it gonna hurt?
391
00:21:56,182 --> 00:21:58,128
[Branch]
Well, what are you gonna do?
392
00:21:58,184 --> 00:22:01,256
The Sixth Amendment says public trial,
and that's what he's entitled to.
393
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,029
You commending a judicial activist?
That's what appeals are for.
394
00:22:05,090 --> 00:22:08,071
The cameras have to affect
the way people behave.
395
00:22:08,127 --> 00:22:10,300
You mean they'll actually
tell the truth?
396
00:22:10,362 --> 00:22:14,538
I mean it's not okay
for the medium to be the message in the courtroom.
397
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,602
- Is this S.O.B. guilty?
- Yes.
398
00:22:16,669 --> 00:22:19,081
- Can you prove it?
- I think so.
399
00:22:19,138 --> 00:22:21,914
Then my advice--
get a new suit and enjoy.
400
00:22:23,275 --> 00:22:27,246
It's clear from mere visual inspection
that the ?amethrower in question...
401
00:22:27,313 --> 00:22:30,226
emitted a stronger flame
than the others on stage.
402
00:22:30,282 --> 00:22:34,958
- How much stronger?
- The others reached a maximum heat of 300 degrees Fahrenheit.
403
00:22:35,020 --> 00:22:37,125
This one, I'd guess,
was close to 600.
404
00:22:37,189 --> 00:22:40,033
- Would that create a bigger flame?
- Yes.
405
00:22:40,092 --> 00:22:42,129
In the same proportion--
it would be twice as big
406
00:22:42,194 --> 00:22:44,140
Could this happen
through a malfunction?
407
00:22:44,196 --> 00:22:47,370
No. In my opinion,
the only way this could happen...
408
00:22:47,433 --> 00:22:52,212
is for the flame projector to be filled
with twice the combustible material.
409
00:22:52,271 --> 00:22:54,217
Thank you.
410
00:22:54,273 --> 00:22:56,947
Did you check the ?amethrower
in question for fingerprints?
411
00:22:57,009 --> 00:22:59,080
- That wouldn't be feasible.
- Why not?
412
00:22:59,145 --> 00:23:01,887
- It's covered in carbon.
- From the subsequent fire.
413
00:23:01,947 --> 00:23:05,690
- That's correct.
- So there is no scientific evidence indicating who it was...
414
00:23:05,751 --> 00:23:07,924
who added the extra combustible material.
415
00:23:09,521 --> 00:23:11,592
No.
416
00:23:16,095 --> 00:23:19,235
I've been on the road with Wotan
for over 20 years,
417
00:23:19,298 --> 00:23:22,006
since back when they were known
as Cain's Ire.
418
00:23:22,067 --> 00:23:24,775
We played the largest arenas
in the world.
419
00:23:24,837 --> 00:23:27,408
- And your effects were bigger back then?
- Yes.
420
00:23:27,473 --> 00:23:32,286
At a place like the Meadowlands,
Teddy said we needed spectacle.
421
00:23:32,344 --> 00:23:36,315
- And, uh, that's what he gave us.
- For example?
422
00:23:36,382 --> 00:23:40,159
We had a thrower that would
shoot flames 20 feet up in the air.
423
00:23:40,219 --> 00:23:42,927
We called it the, uh,
pillar of fire.
424
00:23:42,988 --> 00:23:46,765
We used gerb fans, flash reports-
you name it.
425
00:23:46,825 --> 00:23:49,772
Teddy always wanted
to push the envelope, and, uh,
426
00:23:49,829 --> 00:23:52,867
I have to admit,
I got a kick out of it too.
427
00:23:52,932 --> 00:23:57,403
What would happen
if you used that kind of equipment in the smaller clubs you play now?
428
00:23:57,469 --> 00:23:59,415
They wouldn't even
fit on the stage.
429
00:23:59,471 --> 00:24:02,941
Did the defendant want
to push the envelope in his recent gigs?
430
00:24:03,008 --> 00:24:07,650
Yeah, sure, we talked about it.
You know, bring back the pillar
431
00:24:07,713 --> 00:24:11,490
He said the gags
would put asses in the seats.
432
00:24:11,550 --> 00:24:14,087
And he wasn't concerned
about the safety of those asses?
433
00:24:14,153 --> 00:24:16,827
That was my job.
434
00:24:16,889 --> 00:24:21,736
He wanted me to go bigger.
I wouldn't.
435
00:24:24,930 --> 00:24:28,742
- It sounds to me like you miss
the good ol' days. - Well, sure. Who doesn't?
436
00:24:28,801 --> 00:24:31,873
- Twenty-foot flames
must get your juices going. - Objection.
437
00:24:31,937 --> 00:24:33,883
[ Judge Bums ]
Sustained
438
00:24:35,774 --> 00:24:39,984
You testified that the defendant
asked you to increase the fireworks at recent shows.
439
00:24:40,045 --> 00:24:41,991
- Is that correct?
- Yeah.
440
00:24:42,047 --> 00:24:44,891
- He asked for bigger flames.
- Did he ever say why?
441
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:49,524
Publicity. You know,
bring back the good ol' days.
442
00:24:49,588 --> 00:24:52,762
- To play big stadiums again.
- That's right.
443
00:24:54,259 --> 00:24:56,796
You know, Mr. Stoller,
I've been listening to you very carefully.
444
00:24:56,862 --> 00:25:01,208
And whenever you spoke about the band,
you say �we.�
445
00:25:02,267 --> 00:25:06,010
I don't know.
I've been with them 20 years.
446
00:25:06,071 --> 00:25:07,482
- You play guitar, do you?
- No.
447
00:25:07,539 --> 00:25:10,679
- Keyboards.
- I don't play an instrument.
448
00:25:10,743 --> 00:25:14,953
That's right. Your job is to play with fire.
449
00:25:20,185 --> 00:25:23,359
I'm always the last one on stage
before the show.
450
00:25:23,422 --> 00:25:26,164
I--I test volume,
451
00:25:26,225 --> 00:25:29,138
make sure the cables are out of the way
so nobody trips or anything.
452
00:25:29,194 --> 00:25:31,140
And you're alone
when you do this?
453
00:25:31,196 --> 00:25:33,733
Nick and I usually
do our things together.
454
00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:36,075
He finishes up before me though.
455
00:25:36,135 --> 00:25:39,548
- And the night of the tragedy at Danzibar?
- Teddy was there with us.
456
00:25:39,605 --> 00:25:44,748
He was pissed off because
the gig the night before didn't pull in capacity.
457
00:25:44,810 --> 00:25:46,983
He thought that we needed
to shake things up a bit,
458
00:25:47,046 --> 00:25:50,493
you know, to bring us back
to the big time.
459
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:53,792
He asked Nickie to up the amps
on the fire stunts.
460
00:25:53,852 --> 00:25:56,628
- And Nickie refused?
- He said no way.
461
00:25:56,689 --> 00:25:59,067
With the ceilings in that club,
it'd be a disaster.
462
00:25:59,124 --> 00:26:02,697
- And what happened next?
- Nickie finished up with the flamethrowers and left.
463
00:26:02,761 --> 00:26:07,506
Then Teddy told me to add some
more powder to the throwers.
464
00:26:07,566 --> 00:26:10,342
But I heard what Nickie just told him,
sol said no way.
465
00:26:10,402 --> 00:26:13,440
He said just upping
one of the throwers would be cool
466
00:26:13,505 --> 00:26:16,315
I told him I wasn't touching a thing.
Then I left.
467
00:26:16,375 --> 00:26:19,913
And the defendant
was on stage alone?
468
00:26:22,081 --> 00:26:24,083
As far as I know.
469
00:26:29,555 --> 00:26:33,196
- You're a soundman, aren't you?
- That's right.
470
00:26:34,493 --> 00:26:37,804
Why would Mr. Connor think
to ask you to rig the ?amethrowers?
471
00:26:37,863 --> 00:26:41,811
With the models we use now,
it's not really brain surgery. We all knew how they work.
472
00:26:41,867 --> 00:26:43,938
Who exactly?
473
00:26:44,003 --> 00:26:46,643
Teddy, Larry, Burly,
474
00:26:46,705 --> 00:26:49,584
James, Peter and Glen
and probably Maxie too.
475
00:26:49,641 --> 00:26:52,212
- All of us.
- I see.
476
00:26:52,277 --> 00:26:55,952
Now, when you left the stage
prior to the show,
477
00:26:56,014 --> 00:26:59,052
you don't know how long the defendant
remained there, do you?
478
00:26:59,118 --> 00:27:01,462
- No.
- And you can't say...
479
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:06,765
if Larry or Burly or James or Maxie
showed up after he left.
480
00:27:06,825 --> 00:27:08,771
No.
481
00:27:14,833 --> 00:27:18,838
Mm, it was dark.
Um, then the curtains came up.
482
00:27:18,904 --> 00:27:21,475
Were the band members
on the stage?
483
00:27:21,540 --> 00:27:24,020
They were sort of
back near the drums.
484
00:27:24,076 --> 00:27:26,022
And then?
485
00:27:26,078 --> 00:27:29,685
Then James played
a loud chord,
486
00:27:29,748 --> 00:27:32,752
and, um, they moved
into position.
487
00:27:32,818 --> 00:27:36,129
It was still dark.
Where were they on the stage?
488
00:27:36,188 --> 00:27:38,725
Bury was back by the drums.
489
00:27:38,790 --> 00:27:43,796
Um, James and Teddy were by the mike
in the center of the stage.
490
00:27:43,862 --> 00:27:48,140
- And Larry?
- Larry was off to the left, near me.
491
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,977
What happened then?
James played another chord
492
00:27:52,037 --> 00:27:54,574
The ?amethrowers, they shot up,
straight up.
493
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:59,350
[inhales]
And, um--
494
00:27:59,411 --> 00:28:02,620
That's when I, uh--
That's when I heard-
495
00:28:04,583 --> 00:28:06,722
What Teresa?
496
00:28:06,785 --> 00:28:09,026
I heard Larry scream.
497
00:28:09,088 --> 00:28:12,194
The flames on my side of the stage
hit the ceiling,
498
00:28:12,257 --> 00:28:14,999
and there's, like, a big flash.
499
00:28:16,528 --> 00:28:18,735
It was on fire.
500
00:28:18,797 --> 00:28:21,334
And soon the whole ceiling--
501
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,711
It fell on his head,
and he was on fire.
502
00:28:35,347 --> 00:28:37,691
How was it you came to be
standing backstage?
503
00:28:40,486 --> 00:28:43,126
Um, I know some of the guys
in the band.
504
00:28:43,188 --> 00:28:45,691
One in particular?
505
00:28:45,757 --> 00:28:49,295
- Teddy.
- And he invited you backstage to his dressing room, did he?
506
00:28:54,867 --> 00:28:57,814
Please speak up.
507
00:28:57,870 --> 00:28:59,816
Yes.
508
00:28:59,872 --> 00:29:02,853
But I know for a fact that he didn't
rig the ?amethrower.
509
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:09,222
- How can you be sure?
- Because I was with him the whole time until they started playing.
510
00:29:09,281 --> 00:29:11,283
And where exactly
were you and Mr. Connor?
511
00:29:12,751 --> 00:29:15,732
We were in the band's tour bus.
512
00:29:17,155 --> 00:29:21,604
He and I were-
You know.
513
00:29:21,660 --> 00:29:24,641
No. You're gonna have
to be more specific.
514
00:29:26,999 --> 00:29:28,945
We were screwing, okay?
515
00:29:34,373 --> 00:29:36,375
That's not what she told the cops.
516
00:29:41,013 --> 00:29:43,653
This isn't a game, Teresa.
I'm telling the truth.
517
00:29:43,715 --> 00:29:45,661
Then why didn't you
tell anyone before?
518
00:29:45,717 --> 00:29:48,994
I'm 18 years old. I live at home.
My mother--
519
00:29:49,054 --> 00:29:51,591
- Why are you doing this?
- Because that's what happened.
520
00:29:51,657 --> 00:29:54,228
She thinks I'm a virgin.
I'm not.
521
00:29:54,293 --> 00:29:56,739
Do you think he gives a damn about you?
522
00:29:56,795 --> 00:29:59,503
- What do you care?
- It's wrong, Terry!
523
00:29:59,565 --> 00:30:02,045
If he started that fire--
If he killed all those people--
524
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:05,809
He didn't.
He was with me in the tour bus.
525
00:30:05,871 --> 00:30:07,976
He couldn't have done anything
to the ?amethrower.
526
00:30:15,881 --> 00:30:19,260
Of course I 'd like to play bigger places.
What musician wouldn't?
527
00:30:19,318 --> 00:30:22,458
But, you know, lightin' some joint on fire--
that's no way to get there.
528
00:30:22,521 --> 00:30:26,936
So you never asked Nick Stoller
to increase the flames?
529
00:30:26,992 --> 00:30:30,098
Hell. Sure, I did.
I mean, I asked if we could.
530
00:30:30,162 --> 00:30:35,009
'Cause that fire, man, it would
get my adrenaline pumpin', get that adrenaline blastin'.
531
00:30:35,067 --> 00:30:37,274
You know, it made
for a better gig.
532
00:30:37,336 --> 00:30:40,874
But, uh, he says
that's as high as we can go, I believe him.
533
00:30:40,939 --> 00:30:42,885
- No questions asked.
- That's right.
534
00:30:42,941 --> 00:30:44,978
I mean, that's what
I pay him for.
535
00:30:45,043 --> 00:30:49,048
I know this is dangerous and--
I loved Larry.
536
00:30:49,114 --> 00:30:51,720
I love this band,you know?
537
00:30:51,783 --> 00:30:55,230
I'd be nothin' without them
and my fans.
538
00:30:55,287 --> 00:30:59,167
So your sound man, Mitch Sellman,
he was lying on the stand....
539
00:30:59,224 --> 00:31:03,138
when he said that you asked him
to increase the flames.
540
00:31:03,195 --> 00:31:07,666
Yes, he was. I don't know why
he'd want to do that to me,
541
00:31:07,733 --> 00:31:09,679
but he was lying.
542
00:31:09,735 --> 00:31:11,737
And before the show,
where were you?
543
00:31:13,105 --> 00:31:17,520
Well, like the girl said, you know?
I was in the bus, me and her.
544
00:31:21,513 --> 00:31:23,686
�The girl."
You don't know her name.
545
00:31:23,749 --> 00:31:25,854
We play a lot of cities, man.
546
00:31:25,917 --> 00:31:31,094
And there are lots of nameless,
faceless ports in the storm.
547
00:31:31,156 --> 00:31:33,568
Yeah, that's right.
That's part of the gig.
548
00:31:33,625 --> 00:31:35,798
Sex and drugs and rock and roll.
549
00:31:35,861 --> 00:31:37,932
I gave up the drugs
about 10 years ago.
550
00:31:37,996 --> 00:31:41,375
- But not the sex.
- [Scoffs] Not till I die.
551
00:31:41,433 --> 00:31:45,404
[Spectators Chuckling]
What about the rock and roll?
552
00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:47,916
Well, that's why I live,
you know?
553
00:31:47,973 --> 00:31:50,351
Nothin' in the world like being on stage
in front of people that love my music.
554
00:31:50,409 --> 00:31:54,357
- Nothin' between me and them--
- Except a wall of fire.
555
00:31:54,413 --> 00:31:57,553
It turns 'em on.
I mean, rock is spectacle.
556
00:31:57,616 --> 00:32:00,358
And the bigger the fire,
the bigger the spectacle.
557
00:32:00,419 --> 00:32:04,663
That's right, you know.
I mean, my fans want it, I give it to 'em.
558
00:32:04,723 --> 00:32:10,036
Even though there area 't as many
as there used to be.
559
00:32:10,095 --> 00:32:12,473
- They're still out there.
That's right. What was I thinking?
560
00:32:12,531 --> 00:32:15,808
You did bring, what,
300 people to that club.
561
00:32:15,867 --> 00:32:19,940
- We sold it out.
- With people who love your music.
562
00:32:20,005 --> 00:32:21,951
That's right.
563
00:32:22,007 --> 00:32:26,979
- With people who would do
anything to protect you. - Objection!
564
00:32:27,045 --> 00:32:28,718
- Sustained.
- You know what, man.'
565
00:32:28,780 --> 00:32:30,851
They would do anything,
'cause we were gods.
566
00:32:30,916 --> 00:32:34,659
They worshiped us.
They slept in line for days to hear us.
567
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,927
They sat in the mud.
They sat in the rain.
568
00:32:36,989 --> 00:32:40,937
Must be difficult
when all that worship disappears.
569
00:32:40,992 --> 00:32:46,908
- Only it didn't.
- Well, at least not for one teenage girl anyway.
570
00:32:49,334 --> 00:32:52,406
I was in that bus with her.
571
00:32:52,471 --> 00:32:55,042
I'm sure you were.
572
00:32:56,208 --> 00:32:59,382
Tell me, Mr. Connor.
How old are you?
573
00:33:02,547 --> 00:33:04,493
Fifty-two.
574
00:33:08,887 --> 00:33:10,833
Thank you.
575
00:33:12,491 --> 00:33:14,437
[Coughs]
576
00:33:14,493 --> 00:33:17,064
I thought the jury
would be back by now.
577
00:33:17,129 --> 00:33:21,908
Don't worry.
Teddy Connor looked like a pitiful has-been willing to do anything to recapture his past.
578
00:33:21,967 --> 00:33:25,881
And Teresa Drosi looked like a groupie
willing to say anything to protect her idol.
579
00:33:25,937 --> 00:33:27,939
Let's hope the jury
sees it that way.
580
00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:30,418
[ Phone Rings]
[Briefcase Latch Snaps]
581
00:33:31,476 --> 00:33:33,478
Mr. Branch's office.
582
00:33:35,113 --> 00:33:39,152
Fine. Judge Burns would like to see you
first thing tomorrow morning.
583
00:33:41,019 --> 00:33:45,229
The jury has requested they be read
the entirety of Teresa Drosi's testimony. Any objections?
584
00:33:45,290 --> 00:33:49,033
- Does it make a difference
that she's lying through her teeth? - Isn't that for a jury to decide?
585
00:33:49,094 --> 00:33:51,199
I'll repeat my question.
586
00:33:51,263 --> 00:33:53,470
- Are there any objections?
- [McCoy] No, Your Honor.
587
00:33:53,532 --> 00:33:56,069
- [ Teller] Not from me, Judge.
- Now, wasn't that easy?
588
00:34:00,438 --> 00:34:04,477
Just a thought, Your Honor.
Who's gonna be reading the transcript in the jury room?
589
00:34:04,543 --> 00:34:07,114
- My clerk.
- Mr. Rodriguez
590
00:34:07,179 --> 00:34:09,921
- That's right.
- Then I do have an objection.
591
00:34:09,981 --> 00:34:14,396
- The emotional nature of her testimony
might be obscured by a man. - Come on. Her words are her words.
592
00:34:14,453 --> 00:34:17,923
Yes, but her credibility
depends on how those words are reenacted to the jury.
593
00:34:17,989 --> 00:34:21,994
- I'm not gonna go out and hire
another clerk for this, counselor - I'm not asking you to.
594
00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:24,006
The cameras in the courtroom
filmed the entire proceeding.
595
00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:27,043
- Why don't we let them
actually see Teresa Drosi's testimony? - Absolutely not.
596
00:34:27,098 --> 00:34:30,045
Other than the five pounds
the camera adds to her, give me one good reason.
597
00:34:30,101 --> 00:34:33,139
The cameras in and of themselves
violate the statutory language.
598
00:34:33,205 --> 00:34:37,881
To actually allow their use in the proceedings
would compound that violation exponentially.
599
00:34:37,943 --> 00:34:42,449
- It's reversible error.
- Last time I checked, we were after accuracy.
600
00:34:42,514 --> 00:34:45,893
- And you believe every image you see
in the 6:00 news? - You know what, jack?
601
00:34:45,951 --> 00:34:49,057
We've got a horse. We might as well
get what we can from her mouth.
602
00:34:51,623 --> 00:34:54,661
- [Branch] She still lying?
- We were screwing, okay?
603
00:34:54,726 --> 00:34:56,899
To be honest,
I can't tell anymore.
604
00:34:58,363 --> 00:35:01,037
[Tape Squealing]
You tell me if this isn't reasonable doubt.
605
00:35:04,035 --> 00:35:06,481
[ Teller On Videotape ]
And where exactly were you and Mr. Connor?
606
00:35:06,538 --> 00:35:09,610
Uh, we were in
the band's tour bus.
607
00:35:11,543 --> 00:35:15,923
He and I were-
You know.
608
00:35:15,981 --> 00:35:18,825
[ Teller]
No. You're gonna have to be more specific.
609
00:35:20,952 --> 00:35:23,796
We were screwing, okay?
[ Remote Control Clicks]
610
00:35:23,855 --> 00:35:27,826
- Well?
- Look at her eyes.
611
00:35:27,893 --> 00:35:32,137
- She's embarrassed
- No. If she were embarrassed, she'd be looking down.
612
00:35:32,197 --> 00:35:35,610
- Okay. She's proud she slept with her hero.
- Then I'd think she 'd look at him.
613
00:35:35,667 --> 00:35:37,613
I don't think that's pride on her face.
I think that's defiance.
614
00:35:37,669 --> 00:35:40,206
She's looking directly
into the back of the gallery.
615
00:35:40,272 --> 00:35:43,617
- Who was sitting there?
- Her mother.
616
00:35:43,675 --> 00:35:45,484
Her doting, overprotective mother.
617
00:35:45,544 --> 00:35:48,354
Who didn't want her to go to
the concert in the first place.
618
00:35:48,413 --> 00:35:51,019
Do you really think she'd lie on
the stand to provoke her mother?
619
00:35:51,082 --> 00:35:53,562
You were once a teenage girl.
You tell me.
620
00:35:55,220 --> 00:35:58,201
- I'll round them all up.
- No, not yet.
621
00:35:58,256 --> 00:36:01,294
I'm thinking we ought to try
a little one-on-one first.
622
00:36:05,230 --> 00:36:07,335
[ Teresa]
I've said in court what happened
623
00:36:07,399 --> 00:36:09,606
I think you said what you wanted
to have happened.
624
00:36:09,668 --> 00:36:12,239
Well, you're wrong then.
625
00:36:12,304 --> 00:36:14,784
I've been there, Teresa.
626
00:36:14,839 --> 00:36:17,046
You slept with a rock star.
627
00:36:17,108 --> 00:36:20,646
No, but I had a mother.
628
00:36:20,712 --> 00:36:22,658
I don't know what you mean.
629
00:36:22,714 --> 00:36:24,751
A mother who dragged me to church
every Sunday...
630
00:36:24,816 --> 00:36:28,423
and who thought that sex was something
that should only happen between husband and wife.
631
00:36:28,486 --> 00:36:30,932
- You are so off-base.
- Am I?
632
00:36:30,989 --> 00:36:34,527
- Mm.
- 'Cause I saw your mom.
633
00:36:34,592 --> 00:36:39,405
- I saw the look she had in her eye
when you said that you slept with Teddy. - So?
634
00:36:39,464 --> 00:36:44,436
So it's the same look my mom had
when I came home from my junior prom at 6:00 a.m.
635
00:36:44,502 --> 00:36:47,745
Nothing happened, but I kinda liked her
assuming the worst.
636
00:36:49,140 --> 00:36:51,586
I don't know why
she wants to help him.
637
00:36:53,111 --> 00:36:55,057
On the other hand,
maybe she's telling the truth.
638
00:36:55,113 --> 00:36:58,993
No. I mean,
Teresa's not like that.
639
00:36:59,050 --> 00:37:04,227
If that's the case, I wonder if her lies
were meant more to hurt you than to help him.
640
00:37:04,289 --> 00:37:06,895
I don't know
what you're talking about.
641
00:37:06,958 --> 00:37:10,997
I'm a father, Ms. Drosi.
I know the battles that go on between teenage girls and their mothers.
642
00:37:11,062 --> 00:37:14,976
Terry and I--
She loves me.
643
00:37:15,033 --> 00:37:20,574
Now is not the time to be
some kind of puritanical hero, Ms. Drosi.
644
00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:24,109
- If there's any chance
Teresa was with Teddy Connor- - No.
645
00:37:25,343 --> 00:37:29,018
Then I can and will bring
criminal charges against her.
646
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,856
- For what?
- I'll start with perjury...
647
00:37:31,916 --> 00:37:34,123
and move on to abetting
23 counts of murder.
648
00:37:34,185 --> 00:37:40,033
- She didn't do anything.
- She's helping Teddy Connor cover up any number of felonies.
649
00:37:40,091 --> 00:37:43,732
- If you know why...
- Because she's a stupid little...
650
00:37:47,232 --> 00:37:50,076
Look, she's lying.
651
00:37:50,135 --> 00:37:52,342
I know she's lying.
652
00:37:54,205 --> 00:37:56,207
Why is it so hard to believe
he'd sleep with me?
653
00:37:56,274 --> 00:37:58,880
- That's not what I'm saying.
- There are a lot of guys that are interested in me.
654
00:37:58,943 --> 00:38:01,355
I'm sure there are.
Look at him, Teresa.
655
00:38:01,413 --> 00:38:04,656
- Is Teddy Connor someone...
- He's a great musician.
656
00:38:04,716 --> 00:38:07,595
He's a genius.
He writes all of the band's music.
657
00:38:09,187 --> 00:38:13,636
[Sighs]
I am sorry, but that is hardly a reason to throw your life away.
658
00:38:16,494 --> 00:38:20,601
- What are you talking about?
- Perjury is a crime, Teresa.
659
00:38:20,665 --> 00:38:23,111
So is �accomplice after the fact."
660
00:38:23,168 --> 00:38:26,615
If Teddy Connor gets away with this
because of your lying,
661
00:38:26,671 --> 00:38:29,151
Jack McCoy is gonna take his anger
out on someone.
662
00:38:33,545 --> 00:38:36,116
You're gonna have to prove
I lied, then,
663
00:38:36,181 --> 00:38:38,457
and you can't do that.
664
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,369
Well, if it's any consolation,
it looks like the jury's as confused as we are.
665
00:38:46,424 --> 00:38:50,133
Only I'm not confused.
Teresa Drosi all but told me she was lying.
666
00:38:50,195 --> 00:38:54,200
Did you tell her she could
spend her twenties in Ossining on us?
667
00:38:54,265 --> 00:38:57,041
She's protecting a musical genius.
668
00:38:57,102 --> 00:38:59,104
[McCoy]
Let me ask you both something.
669
00:38:59,170 --> 00:39:01,810
A hypothetical mother is told
that all she has to do to keep her daughter out of prison...
670
00:39:01,873 --> 00:39:05,480
is say that said daughter
slept with a hypothetical rock star,
671
00:39:05,543 --> 00:39:08,422
yet that mother refuses
to do that.
672
00:39:10,115 --> 00:39:13,619
- Why?
- To protect her baby's good name?
673
00:39:14,686 --> 00:39:16,632
She is going to prison.
674
00:39:16,688 --> 00:39:20,158
Well, if the hypothetical rock star
was particularly disgusting--
675
00:39:23,361 --> 00:39:25,307
Oh, my God.
676
00:39:26,765 --> 00:39:29,143
I think now's the time
to round them all up.
677
00:39:33,104 --> 00:39:35,846
With the jury out this long,
why would I consider a deal?
678
00:39:35,907 --> 00:39:39,218
[ Door Closes ]
I'm not here to offer a deal.
679
00:39:39,277 --> 00:39:41,223
Look, we were together,
like she said.
680
00:39:41,279 --> 00:39:45,591
Oh, come on.
What would she be doing with a has-been like you?
681
00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:47,391
Ask her.
Do you know how many records I've sold?
682
00:39:47,452 --> 00:39:50,490
I know how many
records you've sold in the last 10 years.
683
00:39:50,555 --> 00:39:54,435
- I think your fans finally
caught on to you, Mr. Connor. - Right.
684
00:39:54,492 --> 00:39:58,099
Actually, people who know about these things
tell me you were never that good in the first place.
685
00:39:58,163 --> 00:40:03,010
- Those people would be wrong.
- Why else would you need the gimmicks?
686
00:40:03,068 --> 00:40:07,039
If you don't have talent,
light up the stage.
687
00:40:07,105 --> 00:40:09,483
You don't have to be a genius
to figure that out.
688
00:40:09,541 --> 00:40:12,715
If you don't have a deal on the table,
why should we sit here and be insulted?
689
00:40:12,777 --> 00:40:14,723
You just don't get rock and roll.
690
00:40:14,779 --> 00:40:17,692
- Apparently you don't either.
- Stop! Leave him alone.
691
00:40:20,952 --> 00:40:23,694
I know you're good.
692
00:40:23,755 --> 00:40:27,828
The odds are good
he's gonna go to prison no matter what you say, Teresa.
693
00:40:27,892 --> 00:40:31,738
Speak up now,
or you're gonna join him.
694
00:40:37,068 --> 00:40:39,639
Well, at least you have one fan,
Mr. Connor.
695
00:40:39,704 --> 00:40:44,813
How many other pseudo-stars
can say they have a fan willing to go to jail for 'em?
696
00:40:44,876 --> 00:40:47,948
The shame of it all is...
697
00:40:48,012 --> 00:40:50,253
it won't do any good.
698
00:40:50,315 --> 00:40:54,388
Twenty-three life sentences
running consecutively is gonna be the best you're gonna get
699
00:40:54,452 --> 00:40:56,989
That's if the jury's feeling generous.
700
00:40:57,055 --> 00:40:59,092
The flip side of that coin
is a needle.
701
00:40:59,157 --> 00:41:01,933
[Crying]
Stop, please! Please, stop!
702
00:41:03,495 --> 00:41:07,238
Teddy didn't light the fire
It was me.
703
00:41:07,298 --> 00:41:10,108
- Shut up, Terry.
- Mom, it was. It's true.
704
00:41:10,168 --> 00:41:12,671
Teddy, damn it!
705
00:41:19,310 --> 00:41:21,449
If you have something
to say, Mrs. Drosi.
706
00:41:21,512 --> 00:41:23,958
It's �Miss.�
[ Exhales]
707
00:41:25,149 --> 00:41:27,493
[Crying]
One stupid night.
708
00:41:27,552 --> 00:41:30,465
I should've had my head examined!
709
00:41:31,756 --> 00:41:34,737
It was nothing for you, but--
710
00:41:34,792 --> 00:41:37,033
But for me--
For us--
711
00:41:42,734 --> 00:41:44,771
I don't know what's going on here.
I don't want to know.
712
00:41:44,836 --> 00:41:47,476
Come on Teddy
We'll take our chances with the jury
713
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:51,618
He just gave you his D.N.A., baby.
714
00:41:51,676 --> 00:41:55,556
He was never a father.
You don't owe him anything.
715
00:41:55,613 --> 00:41:57,889
- Forget her.
- How dare you!
716
00:41:57,949 --> 00:42:01,487
Do you think giving her a couple tickets twice a year
gives you the right to ruin her life?
717
00:42:01,552 --> 00:42:04,761
Look, I did it, Mr. McCoy.
718
00:42:04,822 --> 00:42:08,133
I loaded the ?amethrower.
I didn't know that Larry or the ceiling--
719
00:42:08,192 --> 00:42:10,900
I just-
I didn't think.
720
00:42:10,962 --> 00:42:15,001
- You don't have to do this for him.
- But I did it, Mom.
721
00:42:20,004 --> 00:42:23,645
I heard you say to Nick
that you wanted more fire.
722
00:42:25,076 --> 00:42:29,547
I thought that if--
that if you were on top again, [ Exhales]
723
00:42:31,516 --> 00:42:33,518
Maybe then you'd--
724
00:42:40,091 --> 00:42:42,093
We're done here.
725
00:42:43,094 --> 00:42:45,096
[ Door Opens]
726
00:42:53,271 --> 00:42:55,581
[ Door Closes]
727
00:42:56,674 --> 00:42:58,779
[Exhales]
728
00:42:58,843 --> 00:43:01,756
[McCoy]
Teresa's lawyer wants to plea.
729
00:43:01,813 --> 00:43:05,056
- What are you gonna do?
- Talk to him.
730
00:43:05,116 --> 00:43:07,323
Is that sympathy I hear?
731
00:43:07,385 --> 00:43:10,195
My father, the only one
of my tennis matches he actually came to,
732
00:43:10,255 --> 00:43:12,201
he spent doing paperwork.
733
00:43:12,256 --> 00:43:17,228
It didn't make me love him less.
It just made me try that much harder to make him love me more.
734
00:43:17,295 --> 00:43:19,502
Were you successful?
735
00:43:19,564 --> 00:43:21,566
You should see my backhand.
736
00:44:01,906 --> 00:44:04,853
[Howling]
737
00:44:04,903 --> 00:44:09,453
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