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This programme contains references to paedophilia, satanic child abuse and rape

This programme contains references to paedophilia, satanic child abuse and rape

AUTOMATED MESSAGE:This call is from Nicholas Rossi from a Scottish prison. It will be logged

AUTOMATED MESSAGE:This call is from Nicholas Rossi from a Scottish prison. It will be logged

and recorded and may be monitored. If you do not wish to accept this call, please hang up now.

and recorded and may be monitored. If you do not wish to accept this call, please hang up now.

ROSSI:

What's the full scale of Nick's alleged crimes?

What's the full scale of Nick's alleged crimes?

Kidnapping, fraud, extortion, identity theft,

Kidnapping, fraud, extortion, identity theft,

Kidnapping, fraud, extortion, identity theft,

blackmail, harassment, sexual assault,

blackmail, harassment, sexual assault,

blackmail, harassment, sexual assault,

domestic violence, rape. The list goes on and on.

domestic violence, rape. The list goes on and on.

domestic violence, rape. The list goes on and on.

Nicholas Alahverdian is really a chameleon.

Nicholas Alahverdian is really a chameleon.

Nicholas Alahverdian is really a chameleon.

He can be that passionate advocate for positive change

He can be that passionate advocate for positive change

for such things as the child welfare system.

for such things as the child welfare system.

Sometimes he's the con man scamming people who care about him for money.

Sometimes he's the con man scamming people who care about him for money.

Sometimes he's the con man scamming people who care about him for money.

And lastly, he is a violent, relentless menace

And lastly, he is a violent, relentless menace

And lastly, he is a violent, relentless menace

And lastly, he is a violent, relentless menace

who, over the years, has sought out women

who, over the years, has sought out women

without any sense of empathy or self-control.

without any sense of empathy or self-control.

I've written 60 stories about Nick Alahverdian

I've written 60 stories about Nick Alahverdian

for the Providence Journal since this whole tale began.

for the Providence Journal since this whole tale began.

Nick was living in Pawtucket, which is an old mill city in Rhode Island,

Nick was living in Pawtucket, which is an old mill city in Rhode Island,

Nick was living in Pawtucket, which is an old mill city in Rhode Island,

where he seemed to be on a rampage assaulting women,

where he seemed to be on a rampage assaulting women,

according to police records.

So, late one night, a woman came running into this store, hysterical,

So, late one night, a woman came running into this store, hysterical,

So, late one night, a woman came running into this store, hysterical,

wanting to use the payphone.

wanting to use the payphone.

She told the owner of the store that a man who lived down this road,

She told the owner of the store that a man who lived down this road,

She told the owner of the store that a man who lived down this road,

that she had just met for the first time that day,

that she had just met for the first time that day,

tried to hold her against her will.

tried to hold her against her will.

The man was Nicholas Alahverdian.

The man was Nicholas Alahverdian.

The police treated this incident as a potential kidnapping,

The police treated this incident as a potential kidnapping,

based on her narrative that he refused

based on her narrative that he refused

to let her come out of his apartment on Sales Avenue.

to let her come out of his apartment on Sales Avenue.

Alahverdian grabbed the woman's cellphone.

Alahverdian grabbed the woman's cellphone.

He unplugged the cable box on the television

He unplugged the cable box on the television

so she didn't know what time of day it was.

so she didn't know what time of day it was.

He allegedly said to her,

He allegedly said to her,

"Just sit here on my lap and kiss me."

"Just sit here on my lap and kiss me."

At which point she became nauseous and frightened.

At which point she became nauseous and frightened.

And then he made repeated sexual advances.

And then he made repeated sexual advances.

When she continually said no, he said if she left,

When she continually said no, he said if she left,

When she continually said no, he said if she left,

he was going to take a knife and stab himself in the chest.

he was going to take a knife and stab himself in the chest.

She started to scream.

She started to scream.

The woman ran out of the apartment,

came here down the street to this variety store,

came here down the street to this variety store,

and called the police.

This was the scene of another ugly incident

This was the scene of another ugly incident

between Alahverdian and another woman.

between Alahverdian and another woman.

They're having dinner. They had met online on a dating site.

They're having dinner. They had met online on a dating site.

They're having dinner. They had met online on a dating site.

Afterwards, they went back to Alahverdian's apartment,

Afterwards, they went back to Alahverdian's apartment,

during which time Alahverdian tried numerous times

during which time Alahverdian tried numerous times

to have sex with the woman.

She refused repeatedly.

Alahverdian became enraged,

Alahverdian became enraged,

and at that point said, "You owe me dinner."

and at that point said, "You owe me dinner."

He took her in her own car,

He took her in her own car,

he drove to this ATM machine here at Walgreens

he drove to this ATM machine here at Walgreens

and demanded she take out $200.

and demanded she take out $200.

and demanded she take out $200.

She was afraid, so she took the money

She was afraid, so she took the money

and they went back to Sales Avenue.

Alahverdian asked to see her receipt,

Alahverdian asked to see her receipt,

and he noticed that she had more money in her banking account

and he noticed that she had more money in her banking account

and he noticed that she had more money in her banking account

and he demanded more money.

They went to another ATM machine.

They went to another ATM machine.

She withdrew another $200.

She withdrew another $200.

Alahverdian ordered her to fill out a form that said

Alahverdian ordered her to fill out a form that said

Alahverdian ordered her to fill out a form that said

the money that she withdrew was actually for his therapy

the money that she withdrew was actually for his therapy

the money that she withdrew was actually for his therapy

because she was a sex addict.

because she was a sex addict.

Meantime, he was videotaping as she signed the document.

Meantime, he was videotaping as she signed the document.

Meantime, he was videotaping as she signed the document.

I think this episode, along with numerous other police reports,

I think this episode, along with numerous other police reports,

I think this episode, along with numerous other police reports,

show Alahverdian's two narcissistic pursuits -

show Alahverdian's two narcissistic pursuits -

show Alahverdian's two narcissistic pursuits -

money and women.

I have people who would say to me,

I have people who would say to me,

"Aren't you ashamed to say he's your son?"

"Aren't you ashamed to say he's your son?"

And I say, "Yes, I am."

As much as maybe he don't like it, no matter what, he's my son.

As much as maybe he don't like it, no matter what, he's my son.

As much as maybe he don't like it, no matter what, he's my son.

I'm not proud of what he did, but he is my son.

I'm not proud of what he did, but he is my son.

And, you know, I hate when they use the term "stepfather".

And, you know, I hate when they use the term "stepfather".

I'm the only father he's ever had legally.

I'm the only father he's ever had legally.

I adopted Nicholas, gave him my name in court

I adopted Nicholas, gave him my name in court

when he was around seven years old.

when he was around seven years old.

I thought it would make him happy that he had a father, you know

I thought it would make him happy that he had a father, you know

Jack Alahverdian was Nick's biological father.

Jack Alahverdian was Nick's biological father.

And what was he like?

The father? Crackhead, cokehead. Wicked.

The father? Crackhead, cokehead. Wicked.

Wicked. Always in institutions.

Wicked. Always in institutions.

Psychopath. Diagnosed as a psychopath.

Psychopath. Diagnosed as a psychopath.

He even sliced the family dog's throat in front of the children.

He even sliced the family dog's throat in front of the children.

In front of Nick? Yes.

Sick. Sick.

He's dead now.

Nick was diagnosed with narcissistic personality as a child.

Nick was diagnosed with narcissistic personality as a child.

Well, I figured he was psychopath like the biological father

Well, I figured he was psychopath like the biological father

Well, I figured he was psychopath like the biological father

because of his behaviour, which was treacherous.

because of his behaviour, which was treacherous.

The kid was the devil's spawn.

The kid was the devil's spawn.

He was born evil.

He's the devil's spawn. He always was.

He's the devil's spawn. He always was.

Arthur called me up one day

and he made these most horrendous allegations against David Leavitt,

and he made these most horrendous allegations against David Leavitt,

who was the prosecutor who was spearheading attempts

who was the prosecutor who was spearheading attempts

to extradite him.

He said that David Leavitt was the head of a satanic ritualised cult.

He said that David Leavitt was the head of a satanic ritualised cult.

He said that David Leavitt was the head of a satanic ritualised cult.

He accused him of sexually abusing, murdering and eating small children.

He accused him of sexually abusing, murdering and eating small children.

He accused him of sexually abusing, murdering and eating small children.

I've been in journalism for 25 years and, in that time, these are

I've been in journalism for 25 years and, in that time, these are

the most lurid, outrageous allegations I've ever heard made.

the most lurid, outrageous allegations I've ever heard made.

He says, "I am offering you a world exclusive.

He says, "I am offering you a world exclusive.

"You must put this on the front page of The Times newspaper."

"You must put this on the front page of The Times newspaper."

And I said, "Well, look, hold on a minute, Arthur."

And I said, "Well, look, hold on a minute, Arthur."

I said, "If you're going to make extraordinary claims like that,

I said, "If you're going to make extraordinary claims like that,

"you need to provide me with extraordinary proof."

"you need to provide me with extraordinary proof."

And he couldn't do that.

And what do you think Arthur's motivation was, then?

And what do you think Arthur's motivation was, then?

I think he wanted to completely discredit this man

I think he wanted to completely discredit this man

who was trying to extradite him,

and I think he thought this was his best shot at freedom.

and I think he thought this was his best shot at freedom.

I mean, to me, it was absolute nonsense and there was no way

I mean, to me, it was absolute nonsense and there was no way

in the world I was going to publish anything about it.

in the world I was going to publish anything about it.

And how did he react to that?

He was pissed off.

And then, on his own website, Arthur Knight broke this story

And then, on his own website, Arthur Knight broke this story

And then, on his own website, Arthur Knight broke this story

that David Leavitt was the alleged leader of a Utah sex cult.

that David Leavitt was the alleged leader of a Utah sex cult.

This was hugely significant because, at that time, David Leavitt was up

This was hugely significant because, at that time, David Leavitt was up

for re-election as the county attorney of Utah County.

for re-election as the county attorney of Utah County.

REPORTER:Utah County attorney David Leavitt

is running for re-election against challenger Jeff Gray.

is running for re-election against challenger Jeff Gray.

I'm the only candidate in this race that truly is making

I'm the only candidate in this race that truly is making

an argument of public safety.

an argument of public safety.

The backdrop to this election was that the Sheriff's Department had

The backdrop to this election was that the Sheriff's Department had

been openly hostile towards him. They'd endorsed his rival candidate.

been openly hostile towards him. They'd endorsed his rival candidate.

been openly hostile towards him. They'd endorsed his rival candidate.

The sheriff in Utah has spoken out against David Leavitt,

The sheriff in Utah has spoken out against David Leavitt,

and this was because they saw him as dangerously left-wing.

and this was because they saw him as dangerously left-wing.

He opposed the death penalty.

He opposed the death penalty.

It wasn't the best election boost for him

to be accused of murdering and eating little children.

to be accused of murdering and eating little children.

What's the origins of these allegations?

What's the origins of these allegations?

David Leavitt had a neighbour by the name of David Hamlin.

David Leavitt had a neighbour by the name of David Hamlin.

Allegations emerged that he was using hypnotherapy

Allegations emerged that he was using hypnotherapy

to abuse small children.

His wife decided she was going to divorce him.

His wife decided she was going to divorce him.

David Leavitt gave evidence against Mr Hamlin in court.

David Leavitt gave evidence against Mr Hamlin in court.

According to David Leavitt, Mr Hamlin tried to take revenge on him

According to David Leavitt, Mr Hamlin tried to take revenge on him

According to David Leavitt, Mr Hamlin tried to take revenge on him

by hypnotising what he described as a "mentally ill woman",

by hypnotising what he described as a "mentally ill woman",

by hypnotising what he described as a "mentally ill woman",

brainwashing her, and then encouraging her to go to the police

brainwashing her, and then encouraging her to go to the police

brainwashing her, and then encouraging her to go to the police

with allegations that David Leavitt was part of

with allegations that David Leavitt was part of

a ritualised paedophile ring, a murderer and a cannibal.

a ritualised paedophile ring, a murderer and a cannibal.

a ritualised paedophile ring, a murderer and a cannibal.

What did the police do?

The police looked at these allegations

The police looked at these allegations

and decided they were outlandish, but they kept them on file,

and decided they were outlandish, but they kept them on file,

and decided they were outlandish, but they kept them on file,

and somehow they found their way into the hands of Arthur Knight.

and somehow they found their way into the hands of Arthur Knight.

Arthur had completely flipped the tables on David Leavitt.

Arthur had completely flipped the tables on David Leavitt.

The accuser had become the accused.

The accuser had become the accused.

I received a call from a television journalist who asked me

I received a call from a television journalist who asked me

to comment on the fact that I was listed as a suspect - and my wife -

to comment on the fact that I was listed as a suspect - and my wife -

in a 151-page report on ritualistic abuse.

in a 151-page report on ritualistic abuse.

in a 151-page report on ritualistic abuse.

And I said, "Well, I can't comment on something I've never seen."

And I said, "Well, I can't comment on something I've never seen."

And so the television journalist emailed me a copy of the 151 pages.

And so the television journalist emailed me a copy of the 151 pages.

And so the television journalist emailed me a copy of the 151 pages.

I just couldn't believe what I was reading.

I just couldn't believe what I was reading.

18 or 20 different people were engaged in cannibalism,

18 or 20 different people were engaged in cannibalism,

18 or 20 different people were engaged in cannibalism,

satanic ritualistic abuse, murder,

satanic ritualistic abuse, murder,

and that we were, you know,

basically killing and eating children.

basically killing and eating children.

REPORTER:David Leavitt says this document connects him

REPORTER:David Leavitt says this document connects him

and his wife to allegations of murder and cannibalism.

and his wife to allegations of murder and cannibalism.

and his wife to allegations of murder and cannibalism.

Reports of ritualistic sexual abuse

Reports of ritualistic sexual abuse

and human trafficking involving children.

and human trafficking involving children.

How did it feel to have to stand in a press conference

How did it feel to have to stand in a press conference

telling your community that you're not a cannibal,

telling your community that you're not a cannibal,

you don't sexually abuse children?

It was difficult because people that I've known for 30 years

It was difficult because people that I've known for 30 years

would look at me and say, "Is there any truth to this?"

would look at me and say, "Is there any truth to this?"

I didn't go in and lead with, "I'm not a cannibal."

I didn't go in and lead with, "I'm not a cannibal."

I went in and led with the truth,

I went in and led with the truth,

and that is that the Sheriff's Office was conspiring

and that is that the Sheriff's Office was conspiring

and that is that the Sheriff's Office was conspiring

with a known sex offender to affect the outcome of an election.

with a known sex offender to affect the outcome of an election.

with a known sex offender to affect the outcome of an election.

Nicholas Rossi, posing as Arthur Knight,

Nicholas Rossi, posing as Arthur Knight,

posted to the internet allegations that I am a suspect,

posted to the internet allegations that I am a suspect,

posted to the internet allegations that I am a suspect,

posted to the internet allegations that I am a suspect,

posted to the internet allegations that I am a suspect,

along with my wife, in this crime.

along with my wife, in this crime.

VOICE BREAKS:My wife...

The tears in my eyes and my emotion was about the fact

The tears in my eyes and my emotion was about the fact

that it was affecting my wife and my children.

that it was affecting my wife and my children.

HE CLEARS THROAT

They didn't sign up for this.

They didn't sign up for this.

My wife of 33 years...

My wife of 33 years...

..with whom we have had eight children,

..with whom we have had eight children,

..with whom we have had eight children,

who is a reputable member of the Utah State Bar

who is a reputable member of the Utah State Bar

who is a reputable member of the Utah State Bar

and a respected university PhD researcher...

and a respected university PhD researcher...

and a respected university PhD researcher...

..is the kindest, most gentle,

..is the kindest, most gentle,

most loving person that I've ever known in my life.

most loving person that I've ever known in my life.

most loving person that I've ever known in my life.

most loving person that I've ever known in my life.

And for her to have her reputation,

And for her to have her reputation,

And for her to have her reputation,

And for her to have her reputation,

her professional character and everything about her life's work

her professional character and everything about her life's work

her professional character and everything about her life's work

her professional character and everything about her life's work

brought into question by a few cheap political opportunists

brought into question by a few cheap political opportunists

brought into question by a few cheap political opportunists

brought into question by a few cheap political opportunists

offends me to the greatest depth of my being.

offends me to the greatest depth of my being.

I phoned up the Sheriff's Department in Utah County

I phoned up the Sheriff's Department in Utah County

and I got to speak to a senior officer there.

and I got to speak to a senior officer there.

He said, "Oh, what a coincidence, I'm already speaking to

He said, "Oh, what a coincidence, I'm already speaking to

"an investigative journalist from overseas. He's been feeding us

"an investigative journalist from overseas. He's been feeding us

"with information about allegations of ritualised abuse."

"with information about allegations of ritualised abuse."

"It's a guy called Arthur Knight."

"It's a guy called Arthur Knight."

And I said to him, "You do realise that Arthur Knight

And I said to him, "You do realise that Arthur Knight

"is a suspected fugitive, an alleged rapist,

"is a suspected fugitive, an alleged rapist,

"is a suspected fugitive, an alleged rapist,

"and that he's facing very serious charges?"

"and that he's facing very serious charges?"

And this senior officer gave an audible gulp

And this senior officer gave an audible gulp

and said, no, he wasn't aware of that.

and said, no, he wasn't aware of that.

This all occurs less than one week

This all occurs less than one week

This all occurs less than one week

before ballots drop in an election

before ballots drop in an election

in which I am participating.

I... I-I... I am going through

a tremendous sacrifice of my own reputation

a tremendous sacrifice of my own reputation

to bring a man to justice, and we intend to do just that.

to bring a man to justice, and we intend to do just that.

to bring a man to justice, and we intend to do just that.

And we expect that voters will be able to see right through this.

And we expect that voters will be able to see right through this.

We'll see where this all goes.

We'll see where this all goes.

So the voters in Utah County were offered a very stark choice -

So the voters in Utah County were offered a very stark choice -

So the voters in Utah County were offered a very stark choice -

did they believe the alleged cannibal

or did they believe the alleged fugitive?

or did they believe the alleged fugitive?

REPORTER:Challenger Jeff Gray coming in strong tonight with 72%.

REPORTER:Challenger Jeff Gray coming in strong tonight with 72%.

REPORTER:Challenger Jeff Gray coming in strong tonight with 72%.

Well, I've given it everything I have

Well, I've given it everything I have

and I'm proud of what we've accomplished.

and I'm proud of what we've accomplished.

REPORTER:KSL's top story - the man who defeated David Leavitt

REPORTER:KSL's top story - the man who defeated David Leavitt

in the race for Utah County Attorney

says he'll absolutely bring back the death penalty.

says he'll absolutely bring back the death penalty.

Their goal was to get me to lose the election.

Their goal was to get me to lose the election.

It got me out of office.

Arthur completely ended his political career.

Arthur completely ended his political career.

Anybody who angers him or threatens him in any way,

Anybody who angers him or threatens him in any way,

he'll go for them, and it doesn't matter what means he'll use.

he'll go for them, and it doesn't matter what means he'll use.

Well, I've got to ask you,

Well, I've got to ask you,

have you ever eaten a child?

I've never eaten a child, no. HE CHUCKLES

I've never eaten a child, no. HE CHUCKLES

Thank you.

If there are children that I've murdered,

If there are children that I've murdered,

where are the parents that are asking for their children?

where are the parents that are asking for their children?

It... It laughable.

It... It laughable.

It was just complete propaganda and false information.

It was just complete propaganda and false information.

This became a war of Nicholas Rossi vs David Leavitt.

This became a war of Nicholas Rossi vs David Leavitt.

I was a casualty of that. But from my political grave,

I was a casualty of that. But from my political grave,

I was a casualty of that. But from my political grave,

I knew that this is a guy that needs to be stopped.

I knew that this is a guy that needs to be stopped.

REPORTER:This is a significant update in this wild case -

REPORTER:This is a significant update in this wild case -

a Scottish court ruling

an extradition hearing next week can go forward.

an extradition hearing next week can go forward.

Good journalism depends on writers being where the story is unfolding.

Good journalism depends on writers being where the story is unfolding.

Good journalism depends on writers being where the story is unfolding.

This hearing should determine Nick Alahverdian's future

This hearing should determine Nick Alahverdian's future

This hearing should determine Nick Alahverdian's future

and whether or not he is sent back to Utah.

and whether or not he is sent back to Utah.

I think his attorney will argue

I think his attorney will argue

this question of physical and mental health.

this question of physical and mental health.

Reports say that his physical and mental health are failing,

Reports say that his physical and mental health are failing,

Reports say that his physical and mental health are failing,

so I think we'll hear a lot about that.

Um, beyond bizarre, surreal.

Drama producers outside the court today.

Drama producers outside the court today.

You don't often see that at Sheriff Court here in Edinburgh.

You don't often see that at Sheriff Court here in Edinburgh.

Mr Rossi!

Mr Rossi!

If you wrote a screenplay for this,

you couldn't sell it anywhere. No-one would believe a word of it.

you couldn't sell it anywhere. No-one would believe a word of it.

No, it's stranger than fiction.

That's why I loved it from the get-go.

That's why I loved it from the get-go.

I was actually shocked by his appearance coming in. Yeah.

I was actually shocked by his appearance coming in. Yeah.

Mr Rossi!

The beard's now quite bushy, isn't it?

The beard's now quite bushy, isn't it?

And it's, like, speckled with a lot of grey.

And it's, like, speckled with a lot of grey.

I mean, he's 35, but he looks like an old man.

I mean, he's 35, but he looks like an old man.

REPORTER:Now, the doctor responsible for treating

REPORTER:Now, the doctor responsible for treating

Nicholas Rossi in prison has told an extradition hearing

Nicholas Rossi in prison has told an extradition hearing

she has no concerns about his current state of health.

she has no concerns about his current state of health.

She said that he claimed to be paralysed.

She said that he claimed to be paralysed.

Asked if Rossi was an easy patient, she said, "No."

Asked if Rossi was an easy patient, she said, "No."

It was her medical opinion

that there was no need for him to be in a wheelchair.

that there was no need for him to be in a wheelchair.

She talked about feeling his thighs through his trouser legs

She talked about feeling his thighs through his trouser legs

She talked about feeling his thighs through his trouser legs

and she talked about them being muscular and athletic.

and she talked about them being muscular and athletic.

Are we talking about the same man here?

He can't use his legs, he can't walk.

He can't use his legs, he can't walk.

And then the evidence comes in that he's kicking down prison doors

And then the evidence comes in that he's kicking down prison doors

and he's kicking prison officers.

and he's kicking prison officers.

It's just unbelievable.

It's just unbelievable.

Because the pillars of his argument were

he was unwell, he was unable to travel to the US.

he was unwell, he was unable to travel to the US.

First of all it was oxygen - he'd be dead within minutes without oxygen.

First of all it was oxygen - he'd be dead within minutes without oxygen.

Mm. Now that's gone.

The next thing - he needs to use his wheelchair.

The next thing - he needs to use his wheelchair.

I mean, that's gone now, right?

I mean, that's gone now, right?

So he has to go onto his mental health,

So he has to go onto his mental health,

and that hasn't gone well either.

I think everyone might have been surprised this week

I think everyone might have been surprised this week

when the psychiatrist said Nick Alahverdian's mental health

when the psychiatrist said Nick Alahverdian's mental health

when the psychiatrist said Nick Alahverdian's mental health

was no barrier to him being returned to Utah.

was no barrier to him being returned to Utah.

There was a possibility it was some kind of undiagnosed illness,

There was a possibility it was some kind of undiagnosed illness,

There was a possibility it was some kind of undiagnosed illness,

but didn't raise to the level of a mental illness

but didn't raise to the level of a mental illness

that would impede any kind of transfer.

that would impede any kind of transfer.

I tell you, it's interesting because it was the GP...

I tell you, it's interesting because it was the GP...

And I'm just now looking at my notes.

Her observations were consistent of him

Her observations were consistent of him

with narcissistic personality disorder.

with narcissistic personality disorder.

And she said, "I don't like to put it out there

"because I'm just a GP" - you know, she's not a psychiatrist.

"because I'm just a GP" - you know, she's not a psychiatrist.

That's right. I do remember that. But that's what she said.

That's right. I do remember that. But that's what she said.

That's what she said.

And she's been his GP and seen him regularly, so she knows him well.

And she's been his GP and seen him regularly, so she knows him well.

And she's been his GP and seen him regularly, so she knows him well.

So my understanding, Tom, is that he's already been diagnosed

So my understanding, Tom, is that he's already been diagnosed

with personality disorders in the US. Is that right?

with personality disorders in the US. Is that right?

When he was a young teen, an adolescent,

When he was a young teen, an adolescent,

he was diagnosed with a narcissistic personality disorder

he was diagnosed with a narcissistic personality disorder

he was diagnosed with a narcissistic personality disorder

and oppositional defiance disorder.

and oppositional defiance disorder.

What's that?

That's your inability to take criticism.

That's your inability to take criticism.

That if someone is telling you that that wall is white over there,

That if someone is telling you that that wall is white over there,

That if someone is telling you that that wall is white over there,

you are going to insist that it's black.

you are going to insist that it's black.

As soon as it was, like, a personality disorder,

As soon as it was, like, a personality disorder,

he didn't like that, though. I mean, why was that?

He did not like that,

because I think that gets to the issue of his mental ability.

because I think that gets to the issue of his mental ability.

Cos he likes to portray himself as an intellectual guy, right?

Cos he likes to portray himself as an intellectual guy, right?

Well, he pretended to be a graduate of Harvard University,

Well, he pretended to be a graduate of Harvard University,

and this is a guy who had never even graduated from high school. Yeah.

and this is a guy who had never even graduated from high school. Yeah.

I mean, the writing's on the wall for him now.

I mean, the writing's on the wall for him now.

This has not gone at all well for him.

This has not gone at all well for him.

So what's he got left?

So what's he got left?

William King, a convicted sex offender

William King, a convicted sex offender

jailed in 2016 for abusing young girls,

jailed in 2016 for abusing young girls,

told the court he was housed in the same prison hall

told the court he was housed in the same prison hall

where, he said, staff treated Rossi abysmally.

where, he said, staff treated Rossi abysmally.

That is a bold move, isn't it?

To call as your star witness... I mean, good God!

To call as your star witness... I mean, good God!

That was his last defence witness, and he's a paedophile.

That was his last defence witness, and he's a paedophile.

We thought there was going to be proper arguments put forward.

We thought there was going to be proper arguments put forward.

It was shambolic.

Court rise.

This is my decision.

I conclude that he is as dishonest and deceitful

I conclude that he is as dishonest and deceitful

as he is evasive and manipulative.

as he is evasive and manipulative.

Those unfortunate facets of his character

have undoubtedly complicated and extended

have undoubtedly complicated and extended

what is ultimately a straightforward case.

what is ultimately a straightforward case.

The evidence of the requested person was unreliable

The evidence of the requested person was unreliable

to the extent that I would not be prepared to accept

to the extent that I would not be prepared to accept

any statement of fact made by him.

any statement of fact made by him.

It follows that I must send the case

of the requested person, Nicholas Rossi, to the Scottish Ministers

of the requested person, Nicholas Rossi, to the Scottish Ministers

for their decision whether he is to be extradited.

for their decision whether he is to be extradited.

REPORTER:Rossi wasn't in court to hear the ruling.

REPORTER:Rossi wasn't in court to hear the ruling.

When he appeared by video link earlier in the morning,

When he appeared by video link earlier in the morning,

he sat slumped in his wheelchair with his face hidden.

he sat slumped in his wheelchair with his face hidden.

But as his lawyer was addressing the court, he interrupted,

But as his lawyer was addressing the court, he interrupted,

shouting at the Sheriff, calling him a disgrace to justice.

shouting at the Sheriff, calling him a disgrace to justice.

At that point, the Sheriff's clerk cut the video connection.

At that point, the Sheriff's clerk cut the video connection.

Are you covering for him?

Miranda, she looked like she was going to cry.

Miranda, she looked like she was going to cry.

You know, I was always trying to look to see,

you know, what she was thinking.

you know, what she was thinking.

She is the mystery. Miranda is the mystery in all of this.

She is the mystery. Miranda is the mystery in all of this.

DOG GROWLS

Oscar, it's OK.

Oscar, it's OK.

It's OK.

Aw, there we go.

We're missing the most important part of our family.

We're missing the most important part of our family.

We're missing the most important part of our family.

That's hard to cope with on a daily basis.

That's hard to cope with on a daily basis.

Will you always stand by him?

Will you always stand by him?

Will you always stand by him?

Yeah, because I love him,

and I love him so much

and, you know, the place is just so lonely without him.

and, you know, the place is just so lonely without him.

and, you know, the place is just so lonely without him.

It's just, um... It's such an extraordinary thing,

It's just, um... It's such an extraordinary thing,

It's just, um... It's such an extraordinary thing,

you know, what - faking your own death, fleeing America,

you know, what - faking your own death, fleeing America,

you know, what - faking your own death, fleeing America,

and he's really a secret American.

and he's really a secret American.

There's words that are used like "fugitive" and "FBI" and "manhunt".

There's words that are used like "fugitive" and "FBI" and "manhunt".

There's words that are used like "fugitive" and "FBI" and "manhunt".

It just seems... It just doesn't make sense with what our life was.

It just seems... It just doesn't make sense with what our life was.

It just seems... It just doesn't make sense with what our life was.

We were just a Mr and Mrs from the south-west who came up to Glasgow.

We were just a Mr and Mrs from the south-west who came up to Glasgow.

We were just a Mr and Mrs from the south-west who came up to Glasgow.

I was hoping that when he went to prison, she'd take off.

I was hoping that when he went to prison, she'd take off.

Every life he's touched,

nobody will say anything good about him but Miranda.

nobody will say anything good about him but Miranda.

The whole scheme is just so unbelievable

The whole scheme is just so unbelievable

that she can't believe every lie he's telling her, cos there's a lot.

that she can't believe every lie he's telling her, cos there's a lot.

that she can't believe every lie he's telling her, cos there's a lot.

I almost feel sorry for her and I almost feel bad for her,

I almost feel sorry for her and I almost feel bad for her,

but when I see the stuff that, like, they sent Michelle -

but when I see the stuff that, like, they sent Michelle -

but when I see the stuff that, like, they sent Michelle -

like, I don't... That shit don't sit well with me.

like, I don't... That shit don't sit well with me.

They may be a fucked up Bonnie and Clyde thing.

They may be a fucked up Bonnie and Clyde thing.

"Ms Minnaar, I have been made aware by my legal team

"Ms Minnaar, I have been made aware by my legal team

"Ms Minnaar, I have been made aware by my legal team

"that you have made allegations, claims and comments

"that you have made allegations, claims and comments

"about myself and my husband, Arthur.

"about myself and my husband, Arthur.

"He is not Nicholas Rossi

"and we are on a steady road to proving this in a court of law,

"and we are on a steady road to proving this in a court of law,

"where this discussion belongs. I would kindly ask you,

"where this discussion belongs. I would kindly ask you,

"do not continue to comment on myself or my husband.

"do not continue to comment on myself or my husband.

"This letter is a friendly caution to not disturb me or my family unit

"This letter is a friendly caution to not disturb me or my family unit

"This letter is a friendly caution to not disturb me or my family unit

"at any point now or hereafter, full stop. Regards, Miranda Knight."

"at any point now or hereafter, full stop. Regards, Miranda Knight."

"at any point now or hereafter, full stop. Regards, Miranda Knight."

Even though it's from Miranda,

it has Nicholas's fingerprints all over it.

it has Nicholas's fingerprints all over it.

I felt terrible that he found a new victim.

I felt terrible that he found a new victim.

When I read the news article that he's married,

When I read the news article that he's married,

I felt massive guilt because I thought I could have stopped

I felt massive guilt because I thought I could have stopped

her suffering at the very least.

She is making out to be a very, very good wife

She is making out to be a very, very good wife

but, unfortunately, to, um...

but, unfortunately, to, um...

..the very, very wrong guy who doesn't deserve it.

..the very, very wrong guy who doesn't deserve it.

Miranda strikes me as a person who has been conned as well.

Miranda strikes me as a person who has been conned as well.

She's somehow under his spell.

She's somehow under his spell.

I think she will look foolish if she stops now

I think she will look foolish if she stops now

I think she will look foolish if she stops now

and goes against him.

and goes against him.

I believe she is manipulated by him.

I believe she is manipulated by him.

I believe she is manipulated by him.

Maybe she's naive. Um...

Maybe she's naive. Um...

He has a way of making himself look like the victim,

He has a way of making himself look like the victim,

He has a way of making himself look like the victim,

so maybe she believed him.

so maybe she believed him.

I feel really...sorry for Miranda.

I feel really...sorry for Miranda.

I feel really...sorry for Miranda.

I wish she would have never met Nick,

I wish she would have never met Nick,

just how I wish I'd never met him.

just how I wish I'd never met him.

Nick is good at coercing people to do something -

Nick is good at coercing people to do something -

Nick is good at coercing people to do something -

say, write a letter for Nick to gain something.

say, write a letter for Nick to gain something.

say, write a letter for Nick to gain something.

If you write that email, if you do what he's coercing you to do,

If you write that email, if you do what he's coercing you to do,

then he has leverage and he'll use that against you in the future.

then he has leverage and he'll use that against you in the future.

then he has leverage and he'll use that against you in the future.

Why do you think she's standing by him?

I think Miranda is standing by Nick because...

I think Miranda is standing by Nick because...

I think Miranda is standing by Nick because...

..part, I think... I can see me in her.

..part, I think... I can see me in her.

..part, I think... I can see me in her.

When we first started our marriage, Nick and I, I was...

When we first started our marriage, Nick and I, I was...

I was determined to be a wonderful wife - supportive, loving.

I was determined to be a wonderful wife - supportive, loving.

I was determined to be a wonderful wife - supportive, loving.

I think Miranda wanted the same.

I think Miranda wanted the same.

She wanted to be that loving wife.

She wanted to be that loving wife.

Initially, I'm sure she excused some of his behaviour

Initially, I'm sure she excused some of his behaviour

or tried to think not much of it,

or tried to think not much of it,

but somewhere along the way,

but somewhere along the way,

but somewhere along the way,

you know, she...she knows the truth.

you know, she...she knows the truth.

We knew he was married to Kathryn.

We knew he was married to Kathryn.

We knew his current wife was Miranda,

We knew his current wife was Miranda,

but I felt nobody was looking into who Louise was,

but I felt nobody was looking into who Louise was,

but I felt nobody was looking into who Louise was,

but I felt nobody was looking into who Louise was,

the other wife who helped him fake his death.

the other wife who helped him fake his death.

I needed to find out who this mystery Louise was.

I needed to find out who this mystery Louise was.

I needed to find out who this mystery Louise was.

It was known that she'd made countless phone calls

It was known that she'd made countless phone calls

to various journalists, to the priests,

to various journalists, to the priests,

you know, trying to arrange a memorial service.

you know, trying to arrange a memorial service.

I just thought, any young journalist worth their salt

I just thought, any young journalist worth their salt

on either side of the Atlantic would surely be trying

on either side of the Atlantic would surely be trying

to get their hands on the audio of one of the calls.

to get their hands on the audio of one of the calls.

to get their hands on the audio of one of the calls.

I was hopeful that maybe we would get the audio.

I was hopeful that maybe we would get the audio.

And it just happened that we got it, and it was gold dust.

And it just happened that we got it, and it was gold dust.

PRODUCER:And how did you get it?

From a source that wants to remain confidential.

From a source that wants to remain confidential.

I remember the moment very clearly when we got it.

I remember the moment very clearly when we got it.

I was driving from Rhode Island to Connecticut.

I was driving from Rhode Island to Connecticut.

I was with my colleague and she just said to me,

I was with my colleague and she just said to me,

"Goodness, it's just arrived in my inbox."

"Goodness, it's just arrived in my inbox."

MIRANDA:Um, basically, it was very disappointed, um,

MIRANDA:Um, basically, it was very disappointed, um,

disappointing for us that it's been postponed.

disappointing for us that it's been postponed.

Um, basically, the priest was explaining that

Um, basically, the priest was explaining that

he had done his first funeral on Monday.

he had done his first funeral on Monday.

he had done his first funeral on Monday.

I mean, I couldn't believe it.

It was like, "Good god, it's Miranda!"

It was like, "Good god, it's Miranda!"

He felt that...that it was too early,

He felt that...that it was too early,

that he didn't have enough staff. Um...

that he didn't have enough staff. Um...

So he had Nicholas's memorial...

So he had Nicholas's memorial...

Nicholas's memorial.

And he's cancelled both of them.

And he's cancelled both of them.

And how clear is it from the recording that it's Miranda?

And how clear is it from the recording that it's Miranda?

There was no question. I was 100% sure.

There was no question. I was 100% sure.

There was no question. I was 100% sure.

His viewpoint that it would be better

His viewpoint that it would be better

that it was a little bit later,

so I think it's going to be late August.

so I think it's going to be late August.

Louise is Miranda -

Louise is Miranda -

the grieving widow helping Rossi fake his death.

the grieving widow helping Rossi fake his death.

This recording was made about two weeks after they married.

This recording was made about two weeks after they married.

This recording was made about two weeks after they married.

So they married on the 20th of February 2020.

So they married on the 20th of February 2020.

He died on the 29th.

Days after that, this is what she was doing.

Days after that, this is what she was doing.

Louise was the only person that he had close to him

Louise was the only person that he had close to him

Louise was the only person that he had close to him

all part of the big plan.

Be the sort of grieving widow, that she did play well,

Be the sort of grieving widow, that she did play well,

and basically get it out there that that was the end of it,

and basically get it out there that that was the end of it,

the life of Nicholas Rossi/Alahverdian had ended.

the life of Nicholas Rossi/Alahverdian had ended.

What was worse was I had asked her two months or so before

What was worse was I had asked her two months or so before

What was worse was I had asked her two months or so before

I'd got the audio if she was the grieving widow, Louise,

I'd got the audio if she was the grieving widow, Louise,

because her middle name is Louisa.

because her middle name is Louisa.

I know your middle name is Louisa, but it just wouldn't happen

I know your middle name is Louisa, but it just wouldn't happen

to have been you that was making those calls?

to have been you that was making those calls?

MIRANDA CHUCKLES

She actually just laughed.

She actually just laughed.

I mean, before I was thinking,

you know, she was very much another one of his victims,

you know, she was very much another one of his victims,

a victim of serious coercive and controlling behaviour.

a victim of serious coercive and controlling behaviour.

But why would a woman support her husband

But why would a woman support her husband

who's alleged to be behind all these very serious rapes

who's alleged to be behind all these very serious rapes

and sexual assaults against women?

and sexual assaults against women?

She's up to her neck in the deception.

She's up to her neck in the deception.

Up to her neck.

I hate to say it but, you know, I feel it...

I hate to say it but, you know, I feel it...

..she's a wee bit of a villain in this.

..she's a wee bit of a villain in this.

REPORTER:The American fugitive, Nicholas Rossi,

REPORTER:The American fugitive, Nicholas Rossi,

who is facing rape charges in the US, is set to be extradited

who is facing rape charges in the US, is set to be extradited

after Scotland's Justice Secretary confirmed that it could go ahead.

after Scotland's Justice Secretary confirmed that it could go ahead.

after Scotland's Justice Secretary confirmed that it could go ahead.

It wasn't the court that decided Nicholas Rossi's fate,

It wasn't the court that decided Nicholas Rossi's fate,

it was a politician. This morning came confirmation

it was a politician. This morning came confirmation

that Scotland's Justice Secretary has signed the order

that Scotland's Justice Secretary has signed the order

approving his extradition.

approving his extradition.

And we're following breaking news just into our newsroom -

And we're following breaking news just into our newsroom -

Nicholas Alahverdian can now be extradited to the US.

Nicholas Alahverdian can now be extradited to the US.

A fake death, a fake name.

A fake death, a fake name.

He's not Irish, he's not Scottish,

and could soon be coming back to face sex charges in the States.

and could soon be coming back to face sex charges in the States.

A new, bizarre wrinkle in the Nicholas Alahverdian saga.

A new, bizarre wrinkle in the Nicholas Alahverdian saga.

The BBC is reporting the Utah prosecutor who filed the original

The BBC is reporting the Utah prosecutor who filed the original

sexual assault charge against Alahverdian has bought a castle.

sexual assault charge against Alahverdian has bought a castle.

In Scotland.

DAVID LEAVITT: This place? It's a temple of peace.

DAVID LEAVITT: This place? It's a temple of peace.

We're in Knockderry Castle in Cove, Scotland.

We're in Knockderry Castle in Cove, Scotland.

We bought it shortly after I lost the election.

We bought it shortly after I lost the election.

We bought it to restore

and to turn into something magical, enchanted and wonderful.

and to turn into something magical, enchanted and wonderful.

I'm standing here in our Scottish castle

I'm standing here in our Scottish castle

looking at this amazing view over this loch,

looking at this amazing view over this loch,

and Nicholas Rossi is sitting in a dank prison cell

and Nicholas Rossi is sitting in a dank prison cell

not 50 miles from here, awaiting his fate in Utah.

not 50 miles from here, awaiting his fate in Utah.

This is the realisation of our dream.

This is the realisation of our dream.

Scotland is my happy place.

I moved on.

My message to Nicholas Rossi is,

"Nice try. Laugh all you want to from prison.

"Nice try. Laugh all you want to from prison.

"Nice try. Laugh all you want to from prison.

"You may have the capacity to cause me pain,

"You may have the capacity to cause me pain,

"but you don't have the capacity to keep me down,

"but you don't have the capacity to keep me down,

"and I will convert anything you do to me for good.

"and I will convert anything you do to me for good.

"and I will convert anything you do to me for good.

"I can convert your crap into positive energy."

"I can convert your crap into positive energy."

"I can convert your crap into positive energy."

My message to Miranda is this,

My message to Miranda is this,

"You are a victim of Nicholas Rossi. I am not your enemy.

"You are a victim of Nicholas Rossi. I am not your enemy.

"Your real enemy is Nicholas Rossi,

"Your real enemy is Nicholas Rossi,

"who has used you as a tool to get what he wants,

"who has used you as a tool to get what he wants,

"just how he uses everyone else and how he's used me."

"just how he uses everyone else and how he's used me."

"But when you come to that realisation,

"that's when your life can begin,

"and when that occurs, you know where I am,

"and when that occurs, you know where I am,

"and I'd be happy to help you."

I mean, if I were doing it all over again, I would still do it.

I mean, if I were doing it all over again, I would still do it.

There are just some things that I would do differently, so that I...

There are just some things that I would do differently, so that I...

Um... I didn't underestimate him.

Um... I didn't underestimate him.

The real tragedy in this case

is that no fewer than 12 police forces investigated Nicholas Rossi

is that no fewer than 12 police forces investigated Nicholas Rossi

and let him go because they couldn't be bothered to be affected

and let him go because they couldn't be bothered to be affected

and let him go because they couldn't be bothered to be affected

by the negative impact that Nicholas Rossi could have on their lives.

by the negative impact that Nicholas Rossi could have on their lives.

by the negative impact that Nicholas Rossi could have on their lives.

Nicholas Rossi intimidated them and scared them in one way or the other,

Nicholas Rossi intimidated them and scared them in one way or the other,

Nicholas Rossi intimidated them and scared them in one way or the other,

and they cared more about themselves

and they cared more about themselves

than they did the people they were sworn to protect.

than they did the people they were sworn to protect.

Come on.

The real heroes in this case are the women.

The real heroes in this case are the women.

Good boy.

Good boy.

Kathryn Heckendorn...

Kathryn Heckendorn...

..Michelle Minnaar...

..Michelle Minnaar...

..Mary Grebinski...

..Nafsika Antypas...

..Nafsika Antypas...

..and KP, the victim in Utah,

..and KP, the victim in Utah,

had the courage to tell the world what happened to them.

had the courage to tell the world what happened to them.

had the courage to tell the world what happened to them.

They risked their safety and their security

They risked their safety and their security

and their anonymity to come forward

and their anonymity to come forward

so that other people would be protected from Nicholas Rossi.

so that other people would be protected from Nicholas Rossi.

We owe it all to them.

And Nicholas Rossi is going to be on a jet plane going back to Utah.

And Nicholas Rossi is going to be on a jet plane going back to Utah.

And Nicholas Rossi is going to be on a jet plane going back to Utah.

PRODUCER: Is there anything else you want to say?

PRODUCER: Is there anything else you want to say?

Those poor girls. I feel terrible for them.

Those poor girls. I feel terrible for them.

Those poor girls. I feel terrible for them.

I hope they can find some closure.

Pack your bags, son. You're going to jail.

Pack your bags, son. You're going to jail.

Time to pay the piper.

What goes around, comes around.

What goes around, comes around.

You've ruined your life, and now you're paying the price.

You've ruined your life, and now you're paying the price.

Thank you.

The only thing I can say to Nicky is this...

The only thing I can say to Nicky is this...

# All your bags are packed, you're ready to go

# All your bags are packed, you're ready to go

# You're standing there outside your door

# You're standing there outside your door

# You're leaving on a jet plane

# You're leaving on a jet plane

# Don't know when you'll be back again. #

# Don't know when you'll be back again. #

Bye, Nick.

REPORTER:Beam him back, Scotty.

La comedia it finita - the farce is over.

La comedia it finita - the farce is over.

US fugitive Nicholas Rossi has left Scotland.

US fugitive Nicholas Rossi has left Scotland.

The 36-year-old, who is wanted by authorities in Utah,

The 36-year-old, who is wanted by authorities in Utah,

left on a private flight from Edinburgh this morning.

left on a private flight from Edinburgh this morning.

The BBC are reporting that Nicholas Rossi got on a plane in Edinburgh

The BBC are reporting that Nicholas Rossi got on a plane in Edinburgh

after an unsuccessful fight to avoid extradition.

after an unsuccessful fight to avoid extradition.

A man accused of faking his own death

A man accused of faking his own death

to avoid being charged with rape and leaving the country

to avoid being charged with rape and leaving the country

is now in custody here in the state.

is now in custody here in the state.

An American fugitive who has been extradited from Scotland

An American fugitive who has been extradited from Scotland

to the United States could face two life sentences.

to the United States could face two life sentences.

At the edge of a town called Spanish Fork is the Utah County Jail.

At the edge of a town called Spanish Fork is the Utah County Jail.

At the edge of a town called Spanish Fork is the Utah County Jail.

It's used to house suspects awaiting trial.

It's used to house suspects awaiting trial.

Right now we have a brand-new prison in Utah.

Right now we have a brand-new prison in Utah.

Here in our jail, the conditions for the inmates

Here in our jail, the conditions for the inmates

Here in our jail, the conditions for the inmates

I think are pretty good. They get their meals,

I think are pretty good. They get their meals,

there's medical, there's educational things,

there's medical, there's educational things,

there's religion, things like that to kind of keep them occupied.

there's religion, things like that to kind of keep them occupied.

But a lot of the time it is in lockdown.

But a lot of the time it is in lockdown.

They can average sometimes 20 hours a day in their cell.

They can average sometimes 20 hours a day in their cell.

They can average sometimes 20 hours a day in their cell.

We are both in a hell.

We are both in a hell.

And I'd liken that to being in a black hole

And I'd liken that to being in a black hole

that you can't get out of.

The hole is slippery and you're trying to get up the side

The hole is slippery and you're trying to get up the side

to get out of this hole and you keep slipping down.

to get out of this hole and you keep slipping down.

And that is our life.

I just want to be able to hold his hand

I just want to be able to hold his hand

and to give him a hug and to say I'm there.

and to give him a hug and to say I'm there.

Number 36 - state vs Rossi.

Number 36 - state vs Rossi.

Are you Mr Rossi?

Can you please state your name and date of birth?

Can you please state your name and date of birth?

My name... My name is Arthur Knight.

My name... My name is Arthur Knight.

My date of birth is 22nd of the 11th, 1986.

My date of birth is 22nd of the 11th, 1986.

My date of birth is 22nd of the 11th, 1986.

OK, I don't...

OK, I don't...

I think we're having a...

..a problem with understanding who this person is.

..a problem with understanding who this person is.

Your Honour, we've got him as Nicholas Rossi,

Your Honour, we've got him as Nicholas Rossi,

but he's saying his name is Arthur Knight.

but he's saying his name is Arthur Knight.

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