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This programme contains
references to paedophilia,
satanic child abuse and rape

This programme contains
references to paedophilia,
satanic child abuse and rape

AUTOMATED MESSAGE:This call is
from Nicholas Rossi from a Scottish
prison. It will be logged

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from Nicholas Rossi from a Scottish
prison. It will be logged

and recorded and may be monitored.
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ROSSI:

What's the full scale
of Nick's alleged crimes?

What's the full scale
of Nick's alleged crimes?

Kidnapping, fraud,
extortion, identity theft,

Kidnapping, fraud,
extortion, identity theft,

Kidnapping, fraud,
extortion, identity theft,

blackmail, harassment,
sexual assault,

blackmail, harassment,
sexual assault,

blackmail, harassment,
sexual assault,

domestic violence, rape.
The list goes on and on.

domestic violence, rape.
The list goes on and on.

domestic violence, rape.
The list goes on and on.

Nicholas Alahverdian is really
a chameleon.

Nicholas Alahverdian is really
a chameleon.

Nicholas Alahverdian is really
a chameleon.

He can be that passionate advocate
for positive change

He can be that passionate advocate
for positive change

for such things as
the child welfare system.

for such things as
the child welfare system.

Sometimes he's the con man scamming
people who care about him for money.

Sometimes he's the con man scamming
people who care about him for money.

Sometimes he's the con man scamming
people who care about him for money.

And lastly, he is a violent,
relentless menace

And lastly, he is a violent,
relentless menace

And lastly, he is a violent,
relentless menace

And lastly, he is a violent,
relentless menace

who, over the years, has sought
out women

who, over the years, has sought
out women

without any sense
of empathy or self-control.

without any sense
of empathy or self-control.

I've written 60 stories
about Nick Alahverdian

I've written 60 stories
about Nick Alahverdian

for the Providence Journal since
this whole tale began.

for the Providence Journal since
this whole tale began.

Nick was living in Pawtucket, which
is an old mill city in Rhode Island,

Nick was living in Pawtucket, which
is an old mill city in Rhode Island,

Nick was living in Pawtucket, which
is an old mill city in Rhode Island,

where he seemed to be on a rampage
assaulting women,

where he seemed to be on a rampage
assaulting women,

according to police records.

So, late one night, a woman came
running into this store, hysterical,

So, late one night, a woman came
running into this store, hysterical,

So, late one night, a woman came
running into this store, hysterical,

wanting to use the payphone.

wanting to use the payphone.

She told the owner of the store that
a man who lived down this road,

She told the owner of the store that
a man who lived down this road,

She told the owner of the store that
a man who lived down this road,

that she had just met
for the first time that day,

that she had just met
for the first time that day,

tried to hold her against her will.

tried to hold her against her will.

The man was Nicholas Alahverdian.

The man was Nicholas Alahverdian.

The police treated this incident as
a potential kidnapping,

The police treated this incident as
a potential kidnapping,

based on her narrative
that he refused

based on her narrative
that he refused

to let her come out of his
apartment on Sales Avenue.

to let her come out of his
apartment on Sales Avenue.

Alahverdian grabbed
the woman's cellphone.

Alahverdian grabbed
the woman's cellphone.

He unplugged the cable box
on the television

He unplugged the cable box
on the television

so she didn't know what time
of day it was.

so she didn't know what time
of day it was.

He allegedly said to her,

He allegedly said to her,

"Just sit here on my lap
and kiss me."

"Just sit here on my lap
and kiss me."

At which point she became nauseous
and frightened.

At which point she became nauseous
and frightened.

And then he made repeated
sexual advances.

And then he made repeated
sexual advances.

When she continually said no,
he said if she left,

When she continually said no,
he said if she left,

When she continually said no,
he said if she left,

he was going to take a knife
and stab himself in the chest.

he was going to take a knife
and stab himself in the chest.

She started to scream.

She started to scream.

The woman ran out of the apartment,

came here down the street
to this variety store,

came here down the street
to this variety store,

and called the police.

This was the scene of another
ugly incident

This was the scene of another
ugly incident

between Alahverdian
and another woman.

between Alahverdian
and another woman.

They're having dinner. They had met
online on a dating site.

They're having dinner. They had met
online on a dating site.

They're having dinner. They had met
online on a dating site.

Afterwards, they went back
to Alahverdian's apartment,

Afterwards, they went back
to Alahverdian's apartment,

during which time Alahverdian tried
numerous times

during which time Alahverdian tried
numerous times

to have sex with the woman.

She refused repeatedly.

Alahverdian became enraged,

Alahverdian became enraged,

and at that point said,
"You owe me dinner."

and at that point said,
"You owe me dinner."

He took her in her own car,

He took her in her own car,

he drove to this ATM machine here
at Walgreens

he drove to this ATM machine here
at Walgreens

and demanded she take out $200.

and demanded she take out $200.

and demanded she take out $200.

She was afraid, so she took
the money

She was afraid, so she took
the money

and they went back to Sales Avenue.

Alahverdian asked
to see her receipt,

Alahverdian asked
to see her receipt,

and he noticed that she had more
money in her banking account

and he noticed that she had more
money in her banking account

and he noticed that she had more
money in her banking account

and he demanded more money.

They went to another ATM machine.

They went to another ATM machine.

She withdrew another $200.

She withdrew another $200.

Alahverdian ordered her
to fill out a form that said

Alahverdian ordered her
to fill out a form that said

Alahverdian ordered her
to fill out a form that said

the money that she withdrew was
actually for his therapy

the money that she withdrew was
actually for his therapy

the money that she withdrew was
actually for his therapy

because she was a sex addict.

because she was a sex addict.

Meantime, he was videotaping
as she signed the document.

Meantime, he was videotaping
as she signed the document.

Meantime, he was videotaping
as she signed the document.

I think this episode, along with
numerous other police reports,

I think this episode, along with
numerous other police reports,

I think this episode, along with
numerous other police reports,

show Alahverdian's two
narcissistic pursuits -

show Alahverdian's two
narcissistic pursuits -

show Alahverdian's two
narcissistic pursuits -

money and women.

I have people who would say to me,

I have people who would say to me,

"Aren't you ashamed
to say he's your son?"

"Aren't you ashamed
to say he's your son?"

And I say, "Yes, I am."

As much as maybe he don't like it,
no matter what, he's my son.

As much as maybe he don't like it,
no matter what, he's my son.

As much as maybe he don't like it,
no matter what, he's my son.

I'm not proud of what he did,
but he is my son.

I'm not proud of what he did,
but he is my son.

And, you know, I hate when they use
the term "stepfather".

And, you know, I hate when they use
the term "stepfather".

I'm the only father
he's ever had legally.

I'm the only father
he's ever had legally.

I adopted Nicholas, gave him my name
in court

I adopted Nicholas, gave him my name
in court

when he was around seven years old.

when he was around seven years old.

I thought it would make him happy
that he had a father, you know

I thought it would make him happy
that he had a father, you know

Jack Alahverdian was
Nick's biological father.

Jack Alahverdian was
Nick's biological father.

And what was he like?

The father? Crackhead,
cokehead. Wicked.

The father? Crackhead,
cokehead. Wicked.

Wicked. Always in institutions.

Wicked. Always in institutions.

Psychopath.
Diagnosed as a psychopath.

Psychopath.
Diagnosed as a psychopath.

He even sliced the family dog's
throat in front of the children.

He even sliced the family dog's
throat in front of the children.

In front of Nick?
Yes.

Sick. Sick.

He's dead now.

Nick was diagnosed with narcissistic
personality as a child.

Nick was diagnosed with narcissistic
personality as a child.

Well, I figured he was psychopath
like the biological father

Well, I figured he was psychopath
like the biological father

Well, I figured he was psychopath
like the biological father

because of his behaviour,
which was treacherous.

because of his behaviour,
which was treacherous.

The kid was the devil's spawn.

The kid was the devil's spawn.

He was born evil.

He's the devil's spawn.
He always was.

He's the devil's spawn.
He always was.

Arthur called me up one day

and he made these most horrendous
allegations against David Leavitt,

and he made these most horrendous
allegations against David Leavitt,

who was the prosecutor who was
spearheading attempts

who was the prosecutor who was
spearheading attempts

to extradite him.

He said that David Leavitt was the
head of a satanic ritualised cult.

He said that David Leavitt was the
head of a satanic ritualised cult.

He said that David Leavitt was the
head of a satanic ritualised cult.

He accused him of sexually abusing,
murdering and eating small children.

He accused him of sexually abusing,
murdering and eating small children.

He accused him of sexually abusing,
murdering and eating small children.

I've been in journalism for 25 years
and, in that time, these are

I've been in journalism for 25 years
and, in that time, these are

the most lurid, outrageous
allegations I've ever heard made.

the most lurid, outrageous
allegations I've ever heard made.

He says, "I am offering you
a world exclusive.

He says, "I am offering you
a world exclusive.

"You must put this on the front page
of The Times newspaper."

"You must put this on the front page
of The Times newspaper."

And I said, "Well, look, hold on
a minute, Arthur."

And I said, "Well, look, hold on
a minute, Arthur."

I said, "If you're going to make
extraordinary claims like that,

I said, "If you're going to make
extraordinary claims like that,

"you need to provide me
with extraordinary proof."

"you need to provide me
with extraordinary proof."

And he couldn't do that.

And what do you think
Arthur's motivation was, then?

And what do you think
Arthur's motivation was, then?

I think he wanted to completely
discredit this man

I think he wanted to completely
discredit this man

who was trying to extradite him,

and I think he thought this was his
best shot at freedom.

and I think he thought this was his
best shot at freedom.

I mean, to me, it was absolute
nonsense and there was no way

I mean, to me, it was absolute
nonsense and there was no way

in the world I was going to publish
anything about it.

in the world I was going to publish
anything about it.

And how did he react to that?

He was pissed off.

And then, on his own website,
Arthur Knight broke this story

And then, on his own website,
Arthur Knight broke this story

And then, on his own website,
Arthur Knight broke this story

that David Leavitt was the alleged
leader of a Utah sex cult.

that David Leavitt was the alleged
leader of a Utah sex cult.

This was hugely significant because,
at that time, David Leavitt was up

This was hugely significant because,
at that time, David Leavitt was up

for re-election as the county
attorney of Utah County.

for re-election as the county
attorney of Utah County.

REPORTER:Utah County attorney
David Leavitt

is running for re-election against
challenger Jeff Gray.

is running for re-election against
challenger Jeff Gray.

I'm the only candidate in this race
that truly is making

I'm the only candidate in this race
that truly is making

an argument of public safety.

an argument of public safety.

The backdrop to this election was
that the Sheriff's Department had

The backdrop to this election was
that the Sheriff's Department had

been openly hostile towards him.
They'd endorsed his rival candidate.

been openly hostile towards him.
They'd endorsed his rival candidate.

been openly hostile towards him.
They'd endorsed his rival candidate.

The sheriff in Utah has spoken out
against David Leavitt,

The sheriff in Utah has spoken out
against David Leavitt,

and this was because they saw him
as dangerously left-wing.

and this was because they saw him
as dangerously left-wing.

He opposed the death penalty.

He opposed the death penalty.

It wasn't the best election boost
for him

to be accused of murdering
and eating little children.

to be accused of murdering
and eating little children.

What's the origins
of these allegations?

What's the origins
of these allegations?

David Leavitt had a neighbour
by the name of David Hamlin.

David Leavitt had a neighbour
by the name of David Hamlin.

Allegations emerged that he was
using hypnotherapy

Allegations emerged that he was
using hypnotherapy

to abuse small children.

His wife decided she was going
to divorce him.

His wife decided she was going
to divorce him.

David Leavitt gave evidence against
Mr Hamlin in court.

David Leavitt gave evidence against
Mr Hamlin in court.

According to David Leavitt, Mr
Hamlin tried to take revenge on him

According to David Leavitt, Mr
Hamlin tried to take revenge on him

According to David Leavitt, Mr
Hamlin tried to take revenge on him

by hypnotising what he described
as a "mentally ill woman",

by hypnotising what he described
as a "mentally ill woman",

by hypnotising what he described
as a "mentally ill woman",

brainwashing her, and then
encouraging her to go to the police

brainwashing her, and then
encouraging her to go to the police

brainwashing her, and then
encouraging her to go to the police

with allegations that
David Leavitt was part of

with allegations that
David Leavitt was part of

a ritualised paedophile ring,
a murderer and a cannibal.

a ritualised paedophile ring,
a murderer and a cannibal.

a ritualised paedophile ring,
a murderer and a cannibal.

What did the police do?

The police looked
at these allegations

The police looked
at these allegations

and decided they were outlandish,
but they kept them on file,

and decided they were outlandish,
but they kept them on file,

and decided they were outlandish,
but they kept them on file,

and somehow they found their way
into the hands of Arthur Knight.

and somehow they found their way
into the hands of Arthur Knight.

Arthur had completely flipped
the tables on David Leavitt.

Arthur had completely flipped
the tables on David Leavitt.

The accuser had become the accused.

The accuser had become the accused.

I received a call from a television
journalist who asked me

I received a call from a television
journalist who asked me

to comment on the fact that I was
listed as a suspect - and my wife -

to comment on the fact that I was
listed as a suspect - and my wife -

in a 151-page report
on ritualistic abuse.

in a 151-page report
on ritualistic abuse.

in a 151-page report
on ritualistic abuse.

And I said, "Well, I can't comment
on something I've never seen."

And I said, "Well, I can't comment
on something I've never seen."

And so the television journalist
emailed me a copy of the 151 pages.

And so the television journalist
emailed me a copy of the 151 pages.

And so the television journalist
emailed me a copy of the 151 pages.

I just couldn't believe what
I was reading.

I just couldn't believe what
I was reading.

18 or 20 different people were
engaged in cannibalism,

18 or 20 different people were
engaged in cannibalism,

18 or 20 different people were
engaged in cannibalism,

satanic ritualistic abuse, murder,

satanic ritualistic abuse, murder,

and that we were, you know,

basically killing
and eating children.

basically killing
and eating children.

REPORTER:David Leavitt says
this document connects him

REPORTER:David Leavitt says
this document connects him

and his wife to allegations
of murder and cannibalism.

and his wife to allegations
of murder and cannibalism.

and his wife to allegations
of murder and cannibalism.

Reports of ritualistic sexual abuse

Reports of ritualistic sexual abuse

and human trafficking
involving children.

and human trafficking
involving children.

How did it feel to have to stand in
a press conference

How did it feel to have to stand in
a press conference

telling your community
that you're not a cannibal,

telling your community
that you're not a cannibal,

you don't sexually abuse children?

It was difficult because people
that I've known for 30 years

It was difficult because people
that I've known for 30 years

would look at me and say,
"Is there any truth to this?"

would look at me and say,
"Is there any truth to this?"

I didn't go in and lead with,
"I'm not a cannibal."

I didn't go in and lead with,
"I'm not a cannibal."

I went in and led with the truth,

I went in and led with the truth,

and that is that the
Sheriff's Office was conspiring

and that is that the
Sheriff's Office was conspiring

and that is that the
Sheriff's Office was conspiring

with a known sex offender to affect
the outcome of an election.

with a known sex offender to affect
the outcome of an election.

with a known sex offender to affect
the outcome of an election.

Nicholas Rossi,
posing as Arthur Knight,

Nicholas Rossi,
posing as Arthur Knight,

posted to the internet
allegations that I am a suspect,

posted to the internet
allegations that I am a suspect,

posted to the internet
allegations that I am a suspect,

posted to the internet
allegations that I am a suspect,

posted to the internet
allegations that I am a suspect,

along with my wife, in this crime.

along with my wife, in this crime.

VOICE BREAKS:My wife...

The tears in my eyes and my emotion
was about the fact

The tears in my eyes and my emotion
was about the fact

that it was affecting my wife
and my children.

that it was affecting my wife
and my children.

HE CLEARS THROAT

They didn't sign up for this.

They didn't sign up for this.

My wife of 33 years...

My wife of 33 years...

..with whom we have had
eight children,

..with whom we have had
eight children,

..with whom we have had
eight children,

who is a reputable member of
the Utah State Bar

who is a reputable member of
the Utah State Bar

who is a reputable member of
the Utah State Bar

and a respected university
PhD researcher...

and a respected university
PhD researcher...

and a respected university
PhD researcher...

..is the kindest, most gentle,

..is the kindest, most gentle,

most loving person that I've ever
known in my life.

most loving person that I've ever
known in my life.

most loving person that I've ever
known in my life.

most loving person that I've ever
known in my life.

And for her to have her reputation,

And for her to have her reputation,

And for her to have her reputation,

And for her to have her reputation,

her professional character and
everything about her life's work

her professional character and
everything about her life's work

her professional character and
everything about her life's work

her professional character and
everything about her life's work

brought into question by
a few cheap political opportunists

brought into question by
a few cheap political opportunists

brought into question by
a few cheap political opportunists

brought into question by
a few cheap political opportunists

offends me to the greatest depth
of my being.

offends me to the greatest depth
of my being.

I phoned up the Sheriff's Department
in Utah County

I phoned up the Sheriff's Department
in Utah County

and I got to speak to
a senior officer there.

and I got to speak to
a senior officer there.

He said, "Oh, what a coincidence,
I'm already speaking to

He said, "Oh, what a coincidence,
I'm already speaking to

"an investigative journalist from
overseas. He's been feeding us

"an investigative journalist from
overseas. He's been feeding us

"with information about
allegations of ritualised abuse."

"with information about
allegations of ritualised abuse."

"It's a guy called Arthur Knight."

"It's a guy called Arthur Knight."

And I said to him,
"You do realise that Arthur Knight

And I said to him,
"You do realise that Arthur Knight

"is a suspected fugitive,
an alleged rapist,

"is a suspected fugitive,
an alleged rapist,

"is a suspected fugitive,
an alleged rapist,

"and that he's facing very
serious charges?"

"and that he's facing very
serious charges?"

And this senior officer gave
an audible gulp

And this senior officer gave
an audible gulp

and said, no, he wasn't aware
of that.

and said, no, he wasn't aware
of that.

This all occurs less than one week

This all occurs less than one week

This all occurs less than one week

before ballots drop in an election

before ballots drop in an election

in which I am participating.

I... I-I... I am going through

a tremendous sacrifice
of my own reputation

a tremendous sacrifice
of my own reputation

to bring a man to justice,
and we intend to do just that.

to bring a man to justice,
and we intend to do just that.

to bring a man to justice,
and we intend to do just that.

And we expect that voters will be
able to see right through this.

And we expect that voters will be
able to see right through this.

We'll see where this all goes.

We'll see where this all goes.

So the voters in Utah County were
offered a very stark choice -

So the voters in Utah County were
offered a very stark choice -

So the voters in Utah County were
offered a very stark choice -

did they believe
the alleged cannibal

or did they believe
the alleged fugitive?

or did they believe
the alleged fugitive?

REPORTER:Challenger Jeff Gray
coming in strong tonight with 72%.

REPORTER:Challenger Jeff Gray
coming in strong tonight with 72%.

REPORTER:Challenger Jeff Gray
coming in strong tonight with 72%.

Well, I've given it everything
I have

Well, I've given it everything
I have

and I'm proud of what
we've accomplished.

and I'm proud of what
we've accomplished.

REPORTER:KSL's top story - the man
who defeated David Leavitt

REPORTER:KSL's top story - the man
who defeated David Leavitt

in the race for Utah County Attorney

says he'll absolutely bring back
the death penalty.

says he'll absolutely bring back
the death penalty.

Their goal was to get me to lose
the election.

Their goal was to get me to lose
the election.

It got me out of office.

Arthur completely ended his
political career.

Arthur completely ended his
political career.

Anybody who angers him or threatens
him in any way,

Anybody who angers him or threatens
him in any way,

he'll go for them, and it doesn't
matter what means he'll use.

he'll go for them, and it doesn't
matter what means he'll use.

Well, I've got to ask you,

Well, I've got to ask you,

have you ever eaten a child?

I've never eaten a child, no.
HE CHUCKLES

I've never eaten a child, no.
HE CHUCKLES

Thank you.

If there are children
that I've murdered,

If there are children
that I've murdered,

where are the parents
that are asking for their children?

where are the parents
that are asking for their children?

It... It laughable.

It... It laughable.

It was just complete propaganda
and false information.

It was just complete propaganda
and false information.

This became a war of
Nicholas Rossi vs David Leavitt.

This became a war of
Nicholas Rossi vs David Leavitt.

I was a casualty of that.
But from my political grave,

I was a casualty of that.
But from my political grave,

I was a casualty of that.
But from my political grave,

I knew that this is a guy that needs
to be stopped.

I knew that this is a guy that needs
to be stopped.

REPORTER:This is a significant
update in this wild case -

REPORTER:This is a significant
update in this wild case -

a Scottish court ruling

an extradition hearing next week
can go forward.

an extradition hearing next week
can go forward.

Good journalism depends on writers
being where the story is unfolding.

Good journalism depends on writers
being where the story is unfolding.

Good journalism depends on writers
being where the story is unfolding.

This hearing should determine
Nick Alahverdian's future

This hearing should determine
Nick Alahverdian's future

This hearing should determine
Nick Alahverdian's future

and whether or not he is sent
back to Utah.

and whether or not he is sent
back to Utah.

I think his attorney will argue

I think his attorney will argue

this question of physical
and mental health.

this question of physical
and mental health.

Reports say that his physical
and mental health are failing,

Reports say that his physical
and mental health are failing,

Reports say that his physical
and mental health are failing,

so I think we'll hear
a lot about that.

Um, beyond bizarre, surreal.

Drama producers outside
the court today.

Drama producers outside
the court today.

You don't often see that at
Sheriff Court here in Edinburgh.

You don't often see that at
Sheriff Court here in Edinburgh.

Mr Rossi!

Mr Rossi!

If you wrote a screenplay for this,

you couldn't sell it anywhere.
No-one would believe a word of it.

you couldn't sell it anywhere.
No-one would believe a word of it.

No, it's stranger than fiction.

That's why I loved it
from the get-go.

That's why I loved it
from the get-go.

I was actually shocked by his
appearance coming in. Yeah.

I was actually shocked by his
appearance coming in. Yeah.

Mr Rossi!

The beard's now quite bushy,
isn't it?

The beard's now quite bushy,
isn't it?

And it's, like, speckled with
a lot of grey.

And it's, like, speckled with
a lot of grey.

I mean, he's 35,
but he looks like an old man.

I mean, he's 35,
but he looks like an old man.

REPORTER:Now, the doctor
responsible for treating

REPORTER:Now, the doctor
responsible for treating

Nicholas Rossi in prison has told an
extradition hearing

Nicholas Rossi in prison has told an
extradition hearing

she has no concerns about his
current state of health.

she has no concerns about his
current state of health.

She said that he claimed
to be paralysed.

She said that he claimed
to be paralysed.

Asked if Rossi was
an easy patient, she said, "No."

Asked if Rossi was
an easy patient, she said, "No."

It was her medical opinion

that there was no need for him
to be in a wheelchair.

that there was no need for him
to be in a wheelchair.

She talked about feeling his thighs
through his trouser legs

She talked about feeling his thighs
through his trouser legs

She talked about feeling his thighs
through his trouser legs

and she talked about them being
muscular and athletic.

and she talked about them being
muscular and athletic.

Are we talking about
the same man here?

He can't use his legs,
he can't walk.

He can't use his legs,
he can't walk.

And then the evidence comes in that
he's kicking down prison doors

And then the evidence comes in that
he's kicking down prison doors

and he's kicking prison officers.

and he's kicking prison officers.

It's just unbelievable.

It's just unbelievable.

Because the pillars
of his argument were

he was unwell,
he was unable to travel to the US.

he was unwell,
he was unable to travel to the US.

First of all it was oxygen - he'd be
dead within minutes without oxygen.

First of all it was oxygen - he'd be
dead within minutes without oxygen.

Mm. Now that's gone.

The next thing - he needs to use
his wheelchair.

The next thing - he needs to use
his wheelchair.

I mean, that's gone now, right?

I mean, that's gone now, right?

So he has to go onto
his mental health,

So he has to go onto
his mental health,

and that hasn't gone well either.

I think everyone might
have been surprised this week

I think everyone might
have been surprised this week

when the psychiatrist said Nick
Alahverdian's mental health

when the psychiatrist said Nick
Alahverdian's mental health

when the psychiatrist said Nick
Alahverdian's mental health

was no barrier to him being returned
to Utah.

was no barrier to him being returned
to Utah.

There was a possibility it was some
kind of undiagnosed illness,

There was a possibility it was some
kind of undiagnosed illness,

There was a possibility it was some
kind of undiagnosed illness,

but didn't raise to the level of
a mental illness

but didn't raise to the level of
a mental illness

that would impede
any kind of transfer.

that would impede
any kind of transfer.

I tell you, it's interesting
because it was the GP...

I tell you, it's interesting
because it was the GP...

And I'm just now looking
at my notes.

Her observations were consistent
of him

Her observations were consistent
of him

with narcissistic
personality disorder.

with narcissistic
personality disorder.

And she said, "I don't like to put
it out there

"because I'm just a GP" -
you know, she's not a psychiatrist.

"because I'm just a GP" -
you know, she's not a psychiatrist.

That's right. I do remember that.
But that's what she said.

That's right. I do remember that.
But that's what she said.

That's what she said.

And she's been his GP and seen him
regularly, so she knows him well.

And she's been his GP and seen him
regularly, so she knows him well.

And she's been his GP and seen him
regularly, so she knows him well.

So my understanding, Tom,
is that he's already been diagnosed

So my understanding, Tom,
is that he's already been diagnosed

with personality disorders
in the US. Is that right?

with personality disorders
in the US. Is that right?

When he was a young teen,
an adolescent,

When he was a young teen,
an adolescent,

he was diagnosed with a narcissistic
personality disorder

he was diagnosed with a narcissistic
personality disorder

he was diagnosed with a narcissistic
personality disorder

and oppositional defiance disorder.

and oppositional defiance disorder.

What's that?

That's your inability
to take criticism.

That's your inability
to take criticism.

That if someone is telling you that
that wall is white over there,

That if someone is telling you that
that wall is white over there,

That if someone is telling you that
that wall is white over there,

you are going to insist
that it's black.

you are going to insist
that it's black.

As soon as it was, like,
a personality disorder,

As soon as it was, like,
a personality disorder,

he didn't like that, though.
I mean, why was that?

He did not like that,

because I think that gets to
the issue of his mental ability.

because I think that gets to
the issue of his mental ability.

Cos he likes to portray himself as
an intellectual guy, right?

Cos he likes to portray himself as
an intellectual guy, right?

Well, he pretended to be a graduate
of Harvard University,

Well, he pretended to be a graduate
of Harvard University,

and this is a guy who had never even
graduated from high school. Yeah.

and this is a guy who had never even
graduated from high school. Yeah.

I mean, the writing's on the wall
for him now.

I mean, the writing's on the wall
for him now.

This has not gone at all well
for him.

This has not gone at all well
for him.

So what's he got left?

So what's he got left?

William King,
a convicted sex offender

William King,
a convicted sex offender

jailed in 2016
for abusing young girls,

jailed in 2016
for abusing young girls,

told the court he was housed
in the same prison hall

told the court he was housed
in the same prison hall

where, he said, staff treated
Rossi abysmally.

where, he said, staff treated
Rossi abysmally.

That is a bold move, isn't it?

To call as your star witness...
I mean, good God!

To call as your star witness...
I mean, good God!

That was his last defence witness,
and he's a paedophile.

That was his last defence witness,
and he's a paedophile.

We thought there was going to be
proper arguments put forward.

We thought there was going to be
proper arguments put forward.

It was shambolic.

Court rise.

This is my decision.

I conclude that he is as dishonest
and deceitful

I conclude that he is as dishonest
and deceitful

as he is evasive and manipulative.

as he is evasive and manipulative.

Those unfortunate facets
of his character

have undoubtedly complicated
and extended

have undoubtedly complicated
and extended

what is ultimately
a straightforward case.

what is ultimately
a straightforward case.

The evidence of the requested person
was unreliable

The evidence of the requested person
was unreliable

to the extent that I would not be
prepared to accept

to the extent that I would not be
prepared to accept

any statement of fact made by him.

any statement of fact made by him.

It follows that I must send the case

of the requested person, Nicholas
Rossi, to the Scottish Ministers

of the requested person, Nicholas
Rossi, to the Scottish Ministers

for their decision whether he is
to be extradited.

for their decision whether he is
to be extradited.

REPORTER:Rossi wasn't in court
to hear the ruling.

REPORTER:Rossi wasn't in court
to hear the ruling.

When he appeared by video
link earlier in the morning,

When he appeared by video
link earlier in the morning,

he sat slumped in his wheelchair
with his face hidden.

he sat slumped in his wheelchair
with his face hidden.

But as his lawyer was addressing
the court, he interrupted,

But as his lawyer was addressing
the court, he interrupted,

shouting at the Sheriff, calling him
a disgrace to justice.

shouting at the Sheriff, calling him
a disgrace to justice.

At that point, the Sheriff's clerk
cut the video connection.

At that point, the Sheriff's clerk
cut the video connection.

Are you covering for him?

Miranda, she looked like she was
going to cry.

Miranda, she looked like she was
going to cry.

You know, I was always trying to
look to see,

you know, what she was thinking.

you know, what she was thinking.

She is the mystery. Miranda is
the mystery in all of this.

She is the mystery. Miranda is
the mystery in all of this.

DOG GROWLS

Oscar, it's OK.

Oscar, it's OK.

It's OK.

Aw, there we go.

We're missing the most important
part of our family.

We're missing the most important
part of our family.

We're missing the most important
part of our family.

That's hard to cope with
on a daily basis.

That's hard to cope with
on a daily basis.

Will you always stand by him?

Will you always stand by him?

Will you always stand by him?

Yeah, because I love him,

and I love him so much

and, you know, the place is just so
lonely without him.

and, you know, the place is just so
lonely without him.

and, you know, the place is just so
lonely without him.

It's just, um... It's such an
extraordinary thing,

It's just, um... It's such an
extraordinary thing,

It's just, um... It's such an
extraordinary thing,

you know, what - faking your own
death, fleeing America,

you know, what - faking your own
death, fleeing America,

you know, what - faking your own
death, fleeing America,

and he's really a secret American.

and he's really a secret American.

There's words that are used like
"fugitive" and "FBI" and "manhunt".

There's words that are used like
"fugitive" and "FBI" and "manhunt".

There's words that are used like
"fugitive" and "FBI" and "manhunt".

It just seems... It just doesn't
make sense with what our life was.

It just seems... It just doesn't
make sense with what our life was.

It just seems... It just doesn't
make sense with what our life was.

We were just a Mr and Mrs from the
south-west who came up to Glasgow.

We were just a Mr and Mrs from the
south-west who came up to Glasgow.

We were just a Mr and Mrs from the
south-west who came up to Glasgow.

I was hoping that when he went
to prison, she'd take off.

I was hoping that when he went
to prison, she'd take off.

Every life he's touched,

nobody will say anything good
about him but Miranda.

nobody will say anything good
about him but Miranda.

The whole scheme is just
so unbelievable

The whole scheme is just
so unbelievable

that she can't believe every lie
he's telling her, cos there's a lot.

that she can't believe every lie
he's telling her, cos there's a lot.

that she can't believe every lie
he's telling her, cos there's a lot.

I almost feel sorry for her
and I almost feel bad for her,

I almost feel sorry for her
and I almost feel bad for her,

but when I see the stuff that,
like, they sent Michelle -

but when I see the stuff that,
like, they sent Michelle -

but when I see the stuff that,
like, they sent Michelle -

like, I don't...
That shit don't sit well with me.

like, I don't...
That shit don't sit well with me.

They may be a fucked up
Bonnie and Clyde thing.

They may be a fucked up
Bonnie and Clyde thing.

"Ms Minnaar, I have been made
aware by my legal team

"Ms Minnaar, I have been made
aware by my legal team

"Ms Minnaar, I have been made
aware by my legal team

"that you have made allegations,
claims and comments

"that you have made allegations,
claims and comments

"about myself
and my husband, Arthur.

"about myself
and my husband, Arthur.

"He is not Nicholas Rossi

"and we are on a steady road
to proving this in a court of law,

"and we are on a steady road
to proving this in a court of law,

"where this discussion belongs.
I would kindly ask you,

"where this discussion belongs.
I would kindly ask you,

"do not continue to comment
on myself or my husband.

"do not continue to comment
on myself or my husband.

"This letter is a friendly caution
to not disturb me or my family unit

"This letter is a friendly caution
to not disturb me or my family unit

"This letter is a friendly caution
to not disturb me or my family unit

"at any point now or hereafter, full
stop. Regards, Miranda Knight."

"at any point now or hereafter, full
stop. Regards, Miranda Knight."

"at any point now or hereafter, full
stop. Regards, Miranda Knight."

Even though it's from Miranda,

it has Nicholas's fingerprints
all over it.

it has Nicholas's fingerprints
all over it.

I felt terrible that he found
a new victim.

I felt terrible that he found
a new victim.

When I read the news article that
he's married,

When I read the news article that
he's married,

I felt massive guilt because I
thought I could have stopped

I felt massive guilt because I
thought I could have stopped

her suffering at the very least.

She is making out to be a very,
very good wife

She is making out to be a very,
very good wife

but, unfortunately, to, um...

but, unfortunately, to, um...

..the very, very wrong guy
who doesn't deserve it.

..the very, very wrong guy
who doesn't deserve it.

Miranda strikes me as a person
who has been conned as well.

Miranda strikes me as a person
who has been conned as well.

She's somehow under his spell.

She's somehow under his spell.

I think she will look foolish
if she stops now

I think she will look foolish
if she stops now

I think she will look foolish
if she stops now

and goes against him.

and goes against him.

I believe she is manipulated by him.

I believe she is manipulated by him.

I believe she is manipulated by him.

Maybe she's naive. Um...

Maybe she's naive. Um...

He has a way of making himself
look like the victim,

He has a way of making himself
look like the victim,

He has a way of making himself
look like the victim,

so maybe she believed him.

so maybe she believed him.

I feel really...sorry for Miranda.

I feel really...sorry for Miranda.

I feel really...sorry for Miranda.

I wish she would have never
met Nick,

I wish she would have never
met Nick,

just how I wish I'd never met him.

just how I wish I'd never met him.

Nick is good at coercing people
to do something -

Nick is good at coercing people
to do something -

Nick is good at coercing people
to do something -

say, write a letter for Nick
to gain something.

say, write a letter for Nick
to gain something.

say, write a letter for Nick
to gain something.

If you write that email, if you do
what he's coercing you to do,

If you write that email, if you do
what he's coercing you to do,

then he has leverage and he'll use
that against you in the future.

then he has leverage and he'll use
that against you in the future.

then he has leverage and he'll use
that against you in the future.

Why do you think she's standing
by him?

I think Miranda is standing
by Nick because...

I think Miranda is standing
by Nick because...

I think Miranda is standing
by Nick because...

..part, I think...
I can see me in her.

..part, I think...
I can see me in her.

..part, I think...
I can see me in her.

When we first started our marriage,
Nick and I, I was...

When we first started our marriage,
Nick and I, I was...

I was determined to be a wonderful
wife - supportive, loving.

I was determined to be a wonderful
wife - supportive, loving.

I was determined to be a wonderful
wife - supportive, loving.

I think Miranda wanted the same.

I think Miranda wanted the same.

She wanted to be that
loving wife.

She wanted to be that
loving wife.

Initially, I'm sure she excused some
of his behaviour

Initially, I'm sure she excused some
of his behaviour

or tried to think not much of it,

or tried to think not much of it,

but somewhere along the way,

but somewhere along the way,

but somewhere along the way,

you know, she...she knows the truth.

you know, she...she knows the truth.

We knew he was married to Kathryn.

We knew he was married to Kathryn.

We knew his current wife
was Miranda,

We knew his current wife
was Miranda,

but I felt nobody was looking
into who Louise was,

but I felt nobody was looking
into who Louise was,

but I felt nobody was looking
into who Louise was,

but I felt nobody was looking
into who Louise was,

the other wife who helped him fake
his death.

the other wife who helped him fake
his death.

I needed to find out who this
mystery Louise was.

I needed to find out who this
mystery Louise was.

I needed to find out who this
mystery Louise was.

It was known that she'd made
countless phone calls

It was known that she'd made
countless phone calls

to various journalists,
to the priests,

to various journalists,
to the priests,

you know, trying to arrange a
memorial service.

you know, trying to arrange a
memorial service.

I just thought, any young journalist
worth their salt

I just thought, any young journalist
worth their salt

on either side of the Atlantic
would surely be trying

on either side of the Atlantic
would surely be trying

to get their hands on
the audio of one of the calls.

to get their hands on
the audio of one of the calls.

to get their hands on
the audio of one of the calls.

I was hopeful that maybe we would
get the audio.

I was hopeful that maybe we would
get the audio.

And it just happened that we got it,
and it was gold dust.

And it just happened that we got it,
and it was gold dust.

PRODUCER:And how did you get it?

From a source that wants
to remain confidential.

From a source that wants
to remain confidential.

I remember the moment very clearly
when we got it.

I remember the moment very clearly
when we got it.

I was driving from Rhode Island
to Connecticut.

I was driving from Rhode Island
to Connecticut.

I was with my colleague
and she just said to me,

I was with my colleague
and she just said to me,

"Goodness, it's just arrived
in my inbox."

"Goodness, it's just arrived
in my inbox."

MIRANDA:Um, basically, it was
very disappointed, um,

MIRANDA:Um, basically, it was
very disappointed, um,

disappointing for us
that it's been postponed.

disappointing for us
that it's been postponed.

Um, basically, the priest was
explaining that

Um, basically, the priest was
explaining that

he had done his first funeral
on Monday.

he had done his first funeral
on Monday.

he had done his first funeral
on Monday.

I mean, I couldn't believe it.

It was like, "Good god,
it's Miranda!"

It was like, "Good god,
it's Miranda!"

He felt that...that it was
too early,

He felt that...that it was
too early,

that he didn't have enough staff.
Um...

that he didn't have enough staff.
Um...

So he had Nicholas's memorial...

So he had Nicholas's memorial...

Nicholas's memorial.

And he's cancelled both of them.

And he's cancelled both of them.

And how clear is it from
the recording that it's Miranda?

And how clear is it from
the recording that it's Miranda?

There was no question.
I was 100% sure.

There was no question.
I was 100% sure.

There was no question.
I was 100% sure.

His viewpoint
that it would be better

His viewpoint
that it would be better

that it was a little bit later,

so I think it's going to be
late August.

so I think it's going to be
late August.

Louise is Miranda -

Louise is Miranda -

the grieving widow helping
Rossi fake his death.

the grieving widow helping
Rossi fake his death.

This recording was made about
two weeks after they married.

This recording was made about
two weeks after they married.

This recording was made about
two weeks after they married.

So they married on
the 20th of February 2020.

So they married on
the 20th of February 2020.

He died on the 29th.

Days after that,
this is what she was doing.

Days after that,
this is what she was doing.

Louise was the only person
that he had close to him

Louise was the only person
that he had close to him

Louise was the only person
that he had close to him

all part of the big plan.

Be the sort of grieving widow,
that she did play well,

Be the sort of grieving widow,
that she did play well,

and basically get it out there
that that was the end of it,

and basically get it out there
that that was the end of it,

the life of Nicholas
Rossi/Alahverdian had ended.

the life of Nicholas
Rossi/Alahverdian had ended.

What was worse was I had asked her
two months or so before

What was worse was I had asked her
two months or so before

What was worse was I had asked her
two months or so before

I'd got the audio if she was
the grieving widow, Louise,

I'd got the audio if she was
the grieving widow, Louise,

because her middle name is Louisa.

because her middle name is Louisa.

I know your middle name is Louisa,
but it just wouldn't happen

I know your middle name is Louisa,
but it just wouldn't happen

to have been you that was making
those calls?

to have been you that was making
those calls?

MIRANDA CHUCKLES

She actually just laughed.

She actually just laughed.

I mean, before I was thinking,

you know, she was very much another
one of his victims,

you know, she was very much another
one of his victims,

a victim of serious coercive
and controlling behaviour.

a victim of serious coercive
and controlling behaviour.

But why would a woman support
her husband

But why would a woman support
her husband

who's alleged to be behind all these
very serious rapes

who's alleged to be behind all these
very serious rapes

and sexual assaults against women?

and sexual assaults against women?

She's up to her neck
in the deception.

She's up to her neck
in the deception.

Up to her neck.

I hate to say it
but, you know, I feel it...

I hate to say it
but, you know, I feel it...

..she's a wee bit of
a villain in this.

..she's a wee bit of
a villain in this.

REPORTER:The American fugitive,
Nicholas Rossi,

REPORTER:The American fugitive,
Nicholas Rossi,

who is facing rape charges in
the US, is set to be extradited

who is facing rape charges in
the US, is set to be extradited

after Scotland's Justice Secretary
confirmed that it could go ahead.

after Scotland's Justice Secretary
confirmed that it could go ahead.

after Scotland's Justice Secretary
confirmed that it could go ahead.

It wasn't the court that decided
Nicholas Rossi's fate,

It wasn't the court that decided
Nicholas Rossi's fate,

it was a politician. This morning
came confirmation

it was a politician. This morning
came confirmation

that Scotland's Justice Secretary
has signed the order

that Scotland's Justice Secretary
has signed the order

approving his extradition.

approving his extradition.

And we're following breaking news
just into our newsroom -

And we're following breaking news
just into our newsroom -

Nicholas Alahverdian can now be
extradited to the US.

Nicholas Alahverdian can now be
extradited to the US.

A fake death, a fake name.

A fake death, a fake name.

He's not Irish, he's not Scottish,

and could soon be coming back
to face sex charges in the States.

and could soon be coming back
to face sex charges in the States.

A new, bizarre wrinkle in
the Nicholas Alahverdian saga.

A new, bizarre wrinkle in
the Nicholas Alahverdian saga.

The BBC is reporting the Utah
prosecutor who filed the original

The BBC is reporting the Utah
prosecutor who filed the original

sexual assault charge against
Alahverdian has bought a castle.

sexual assault charge against
Alahverdian has bought a castle.

In Scotland.

DAVID LEAVITT: This place?
It's a temple of peace.

DAVID LEAVITT: This place?
It's a temple of peace.

We're in Knockderry Castle
in Cove, Scotland.

We're in Knockderry Castle
in Cove, Scotland.

We bought it shortly after
I lost the election.

We bought it shortly after
I lost the election.

We bought it to restore

and to turn into something magical,
enchanted and wonderful.

and to turn into something magical,
enchanted and wonderful.

I'm standing here
in our Scottish castle

I'm standing here
in our Scottish castle

looking at this amazing view
over this loch,

looking at this amazing view
over this loch,

and Nicholas Rossi is sitting in
a dank prison cell

and Nicholas Rossi is sitting in
a dank prison cell

not 50 miles from here,
awaiting his fate in Utah.

not 50 miles from here,
awaiting his fate in Utah.

This is the realisation
of our dream.

This is the realisation
of our dream.

Scotland is my happy place.

I moved on.

My message to Nicholas Rossi is,

"Nice try. Laugh all you want to
from prison.

"Nice try. Laugh all you want to
from prison.

"Nice try. Laugh all you want to
from prison.

"You may have the capacity
to cause me pain,

"You may have the capacity
to cause me pain,

"but you don't have the capacity
to keep me down,

"but you don't have the capacity
to keep me down,

"and I will convert anything you do
to me for good.

"and I will convert anything you do
to me for good.

"and I will convert anything you do
to me for good.

"I can convert your crap
into positive energy."

"I can convert your crap
into positive energy."

"I can convert your crap
into positive energy."

My message to Miranda is this,

My message to Miranda is this,

"You are a victim of Nicholas Rossi.
I am not your enemy.

"You are a victim of Nicholas Rossi.
I am not your enemy.

"Your real enemy is Nicholas Rossi,

"Your real enemy is Nicholas Rossi,

"who has used you as a tool
to get what he wants,

"who has used you as a tool
to get what he wants,

"just how he uses everyone else
and how he's used me."

"just how he uses everyone else
and how he's used me."

"But when you come
to that realisation,

"that's when your life can begin,

"and when that occurs,
you know where I am,

"and when that occurs,
you know where I am,

"and I'd be happy to help you."

I mean, if I were doing it all over
again, I would still do it.

I mean, if I were doing it all over
again, I would still do it.

There are just some things that
I would do differently, so that I...

There are just some things that
I would do differently, so that I...

Um... I didn't underestimate him.

Um... I didn't underestimate him.

The real tragedy in this case

is that no fewer than 12 police
forces investigated Nicholas Rossi

is that no fewer than 12 police
forces investigated Nicholas Rossi

and let him go because they couldn't
be bothered to be affected

and let him go because they couldn't
be bothered to be affected

and let him go because they couldn't
be bothered to be affected

by the negative impact that Nicholas
Rossi could have on their lives.

by the negative impact that Nicholas
Rossi could have on their lives.

by the negative impact that Nicholas
Rossi could have on their lives.

Nicholas Rossi intimidated them and
scared them in one way or the other,

Nicholas Rossi intimidated them and
scared them in one way or the other,

Nicholas Rossi intimidated them and
scared them in one way or the other,

and they cared more about themselves

and they cared more about themselves

than they did the people they were
sworn to protect.

than they did the people they were
sworn to protect.

Come on.

The real heroes in this case are
the women.

The real heroes in this case are
the women.

Good boy.

Good boy.

Kathryn Heckendorn...

Kathryn Heckendorn...

..Michelle Minnaar...

..Michelle Minnaar...

..Mary Grebinski...

..Nafsika Antypas...

..Nafsika Antypas...

..and KP, the victim in Utah,

..and KP, the victim in Utah,

had the courage to tell
the world what happened to them.

had the courage to tell
the world what happened to them.

had the courage to tell
the world what happened to them.

They risked their safety
and their security

They risked their safety
and their security

and their anonymity to come forward

and their anonymity to come forward

so that other people would be
protected from Nicholas Rossi.

so that other people would be
protected from Nicholas Rossi.

We owe it all to them.

And Nicholas Rossi is going to be
on a jet plane going back to Utah.

And Nicholas Rossi is going to be
on a jet plane going back to Utah.

And Nicholas Rossi is going to be
on a jet plane going back to Utah.

PRODUCER: Is there anything else
you want to say?

PRODUCER: Is there anything else
you want to say?

Those poor girls.
I feel terrible for them.

Those poor girls.
I feel terrible for them.

Those poor girls.
I feel terrible for them.

I hope they can find some closure.

Pack your bags, son.
You're going to jail.

Pack your bags, son.
You're going to jail.

Time to pay the piper.

What goes around, comes around.

What goes around, comes around.

You've ruined your life,
and now you're paying the price.

You've ruined your life,
and now you're paying the price.

Thank you.

The only thing I can say
to Nicky is this...

The only thing I can say
to Nicky is this...

# All your bags are packed,
you're ready to go

# All your bags are packed,
you're ready to go

# You're standing there outside
your door

# You're standing there outside
your door

# You're leaving on a jet plane

# You're leaving on a jet plane

# Don't know when
you'll be back again. #

# Don't know when
you'll be back again. #

Bye, Nick.

REPORTER:Beam him back, Scotty.

La comedia it finita -
the farce is over.

La comedia it finita -
the farce is over.

US fugitive Nicholas Rossi
has left Scotland.

US fugitive Nicholas Rossi
has left Scotland.

The 36-year-old, who is wanted
by authorities in Utah,

The 36-year-old, who is wanted
by authorities in Utah,

left on a private flight
from Edinburgh this morning.

left on a private flight
from Edinburgh this morning.

The BBC are reporting that Nicholas
Rossi got on a plane in Edinburgh

The BBC are reporting that Nicholas
Rossi got on a plane in Edinburgh

after an unsuccessful fight
to avoid extradition.

after an unsuccessful fight
to avoid extradition.

A man accused of faking
his own death

A man accused of faking
his own death

to avoid being charged with
rape and leaving the country

to avoid being charged with
rape and leaving the country

is now in custody here in
the state.

is now in custody here in
the state.

An American fugitive who has been
extradited from Scotland

An American fugitive who has been
extradited from Scotland

to the United States could face
two life sentences.

to the United States could face
two life sentences.

At the edge of a town called Spanish
Fork is the Utah County Jail.

At the edge of a town called Spanish
Fork is the Utah County Jail.

At the edge of a town called Spanish
Fork is the Utah County Jail.

It's used to house suspects
awaiting trial.

It's used to house suspects
awaiting trial.

Right now we have
a brand-new prison in Utah.

Right now we have
a brand-new prison in Utah.

Here in our jail, the conditions
for the inmates

Here in our jail, the conditions
for the inmates

Here in our jail, the conditions
for the inmates

I think are pretty good.
They get their meals,

I think are pretty good.
They get their meals,

there's medical,
there's educational things,

there's medical,
there's educational things,

there's religion, things like that
to kind of keep them occupied.

there's religion, things like that
to kind of keep them occupied.

But a lot of the time it is
in lockdown.

But a lot of the time it is
in lockdown.

They can average sometimes
20 hours a day in their cell.

They can average sometimes
20 hours a day in their cell.

They can average sometimes
20 hours a day in their cell.

We are both in a hell.

We are both in a hell.

And I'd liken that to being
in a black hole

And I'd liken that to being
in a black hole

that you can't get out of.

The hole is slippery and you're
trying to get up the side

The hole is slippery and you're
trying to get up the side

to get out of this hole
and you keep slipping down.

to get out of this hole
and you keep slipping down.

And that is our life.

I just want to be able
to hold his hand

I just want to be able
to hold his hand

and to give him a hug
and to say I'm there.

and to give him a hug
and to say I'm there.

Number 36 - state vs Rossi.

Number 36 - state vs Rossi.

Are you Mr Rossi?

Can you please state your name
and date of birth?

Can you please state your name
and date of birth?

My name... My name is Arthur Knight.

My name... My name is Arthur Knight.

My date of birth is 22nd of
the 11th, 1986.

My date of birth is 22nd of
the 11th, 1986.

My date of birth is 22nd of
the 11th, 1986.

OK, I don't...

OK, I don't...

I think we're having a...

..a problem with understanding
who this person is.

..a problem with understanding
who this person is.

Your Honour, we've got him as
Nicholas Rossi,

Your Honour, we've got him as
Nicholas Rossi,

but he's saying his name is
Arthur Knight.

but he's saying his name is
Arthur Knight.

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