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[telephone ringing]
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-[door opening]
-[voice1] Hello?
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[voice2] Yes, your Highness, how are you?
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[Aga Khan] Yes, hello.
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[Gilbert Chikli] You know,
I'm calling you on a secure line.
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[Jeff Rouhete] He had an extremely calm,
controlled, friendly voice.
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[Gilbert Chikli] So I've just sent you
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a very confidential document.
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CONFIDENTIAL
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THE MINISTER
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MR LE DRIAN
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The Minister Le Drian
wants to organize a video conference.
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[computer ringing]
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I see Mister Le Drian
in front of me on the screen .
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[upbeat music]
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I don't know if it's real or not.
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The minister
tells me, "I need a lot of money."
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[upbeat music]
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[Aga Khan] 4.8 million.
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[automated voice] You've received a
payment order of 886,000 euros.
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[Gilbert Chikli] I think it is between
three or four hundred thousand euros.
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[Aga Khan] 5.8 million.
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[Gilbert Chikli] It's very important
that you pay it immediately.
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[upbeat music]
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[narrator2]
An incredible scam that managed
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to extort more than 80 million euros.
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[narrator3] The alleged
mastermind of these operations,
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Gilbert Chikli, Scam King.
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[upbeat music]
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[Ludovic Elbaz] He's got something in
his voice that brings people on board.
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He's like a great actor or artist.
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It either works or it doesn't.
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His latest achievement,
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impersonating… Jean-Yves Le Drian.
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[Delphine Meillet] The amazing
audacity to try everything.
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[upbeat music]
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[Marco Mouly] After that, it becomes art,
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not fraud.
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Theatre.
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[suspenseful music]
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VOICE RECORDING OF GILBERT CHIKLI
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[Gilbert Chikli]
So, let me introduce myself.
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My name is Gilbert Chikli.
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I don’t think I’m evil or a bad boy,
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but in the end, that's up to
others to judge
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[violin music]
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because Gilbert
Chikli isn’t who you think he is.
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-[upbeat music]
-[children chattering]
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[Gilbert Chikli] I was born in Paris, in a
little village called Belleville.
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At the time, we all lived
in a small studio apartment.
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Financially we had nothing,
absolutely nothing,
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SQUAT
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and I couldn't accept it.
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[dramatic music]
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[Gilbert Chikli] I was a
very clever boy who had an obsession,
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which was to try to alleviate
my family’s suffering.
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[suspenseful music]
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[Gilbert Chikli] In this world,
there is only room for clever people.
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[upbeat music]
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[man1] Can you move
the chair a bit to your right please?
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Yeah, no, a little less. Good and…
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I look horrible.
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[Dominic] What type of person
are you Shirley?
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[Shirley] I'm a mystery… a mystery.
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[upbeat music]
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Make me look tanned.
And thin, make me look skinny.
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Otherwise it'll be a catastrophe.
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[upbeat music]
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SHIRLEY: EX-GIRLFRIEND AND ACCOMPLICE
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Money is exciting.
It gets my adrenaline going.
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I don't get out of bed without money.
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I need money everywhere.
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[Dominic] Would you say you're a criminal?
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Me, a criminal? Not at all.
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On the contrary, I'm an angel.
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I do good things with money.
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So, well, listen.
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I live in the truth.
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[Dominic] Tell me a little about
your relationship with Gilbert.
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He gave me this ring when I was
25 and I still have it.
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There!
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No, I don't want to
show you, it brings bad luck.
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[mid-tempo jazz music]
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[Shirley] In the 90s, I was in Paris,
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and I was working
for advertising companies
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that did false advertising.
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It was considered to be a bit of a scam,
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but it didn't bother me too much, because
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I just smooth-talked over the phone
as a clever way to get them to send money.
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[upbeat music]
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[Shirley] I always hung out with
people who make easy money.
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When I met Gilbert, I must have been 20
years old.
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I was in the car,
like usual, driving around
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and in a traffic jam, like everybody
else, I look around.
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And suddenly I locked eyes
with Gilbert Chikli.
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And he stared right back at me.
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Ha!
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We hit it off right away.
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[soft music]
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[Shirley] He was a money maker.
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I was always luxurious,
very well off in fact.
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But Gilbert was from Belleville.
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That's why it clicked
between us. The rich kid and the bad boy.
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Gilbert was always a
high roller, a big time player.
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He didn't play to win,
he played for the thrill.
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What I liked about
him was his intelligence.
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[soft music]
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[Shirley] In 2005, Gilbert
had a money problem.
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Gambling debts.
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€200,000 - 300,000.
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Lots of thugs wanted
to get money out of him.
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And he told me: "Shirley, I'm fucked, I
need money, how do I get some?"
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[suspenseful sound]
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[Shirley] That night,
I was at my place with him.
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I was watching TV.
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[reporter]
The underground has been evacuated.
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The streets of London are
filled with ambulances…
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[Shirley] When I saw
the 2005 London attacks on TV…
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[reporter] A total of six explosions
this morning in the heart of London.
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[tense music]
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[Shirley] I immediately thought of
creating a scam.
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Playing on people's fear
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and pretending to
be counterterrorism agents.
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And it worked… like dynamite.
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[Gilbert Chikli] I'm going
to tell you a secret.
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Human beings are curious.
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When faced with a mythical, mysterious
person, they'll go all the way.
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I never thought for a single
second that people would believe me.
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Do you know why?
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Because the most important thing
is that I believed in myself.
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[suspenseful music]
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[Shirley] Gilbert's role was pretending
to be a secret service agent.
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Finding people's weakness is
the first thing, it's the foundation.
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Scaring them, saying we know a
secret about them.
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And I know a secret about you.
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Yes, I know a secret about you.
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[Shirley] We play with the psyche of
the person we're scamming.
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We managed to find out
if they were a smoker or not a smoker,
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if they had kids,
if they cheated on their wives.
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We managed to get
into their personal lives.
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And we got them to give us money,
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a lot of money.
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[dramatic music]
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[Élise Le Guével] My name is Élise le
Guével, I'm a journalist.
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I have worked for Envoyé
Spécial at France2 for seven years.
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One night, I'm with a friend,
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he's a financial executive
at a large French company,
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and he tells me,
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"A weird thing happened this morning.
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Someone from my department received a call
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from someone pretending to
be the CEO of the company.
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And this CEO told him,
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"one of your bank's clients
is financing terrorism.
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We are going to ask you for your
help to fight terrorism."
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[Pierre] I have been a financial
director for many years.
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[soft music]
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In March 2006,
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I went through something
that I wouldn't wish on anyone,
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the death of my wife,
because of depression.
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She committed suicide and left
me alone with three children.
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It was a difficult time for me,
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I needed to trust,
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to find trust in human nature again.
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Two weeks later, I'm at the office.
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At some point,
a colleague transfers me a call.
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telling me "It's the CEO".
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[Pierre] Hello?
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[Gilbert Chikli] It's Mr Roger
on the phone, how are you doing?
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[Pierre] And he tells me that I will
soon get another call
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from a secret service agent.
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-[phone vibrates]
-MASKED NUMBER
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I get that call.
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[Gilbert Chikli] Yes, hello.
You know I'm calling you on a secure line.
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[Pierre] He had an extremely calm,
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controlled, friendly voice.
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He told me, "Your role will
be to make a bank transfer
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that will be traced by our
team to try to catch them
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when they receive the funds."
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[Gilbert Chikli] This is
called an internal crime,
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so if you're fit to handle it,
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we'll sit together,
otherwise I can contact someone else.
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So what I'm asking you
for is no contact between you and me.
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You have to make this payment on your own.
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[Pierre] I'm starting to have
to really ask myself questions.
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When he felt me hesitate,
he told me, "We know who you are,
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we know your personal
situation is messy at the moment"
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He talked to me about
my wife's suicide, about my children.
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He has information on me, a lot of it.
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[Gilbert Chikli] I'm counting on you,
send it right now, it's very important.
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[Pierre] I hesitate.
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I hesitate, but I'm all in.
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In total, the attempt involved
a little more than 10 million euros.
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10 MILLION EUROS
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[television sound]
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[jazzy music]
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[Gilbert Chikli] I learned that I had
the ability to do incredible things.
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Clearly, I could go so much further.
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[Shirley] Gilbert, saw the
recipe was making good cakes,
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so then he made an entire cake shop.
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[soft music]
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[telephone ringing]
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-[recorded voice] Hello?
-Good, are you in front of your computer?
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[Recorded voice] Yes.
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[Gilbert Chikli] You received
a payment order of 886,000 euros.
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[phone ringing]
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[Shirley] It was a very exciting job
that got my adrenaline going.
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It felt like I was in a movie.
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[Gilbert Chikli] I think it's between
300, 400 thousand euros, more or less.
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[Élise Le Guével] Every single French
company on the stock market,
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the big and small ones
are targeted by these calls,
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it's on an industrial scale.
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[recorded voice] I don't understand.
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What time will I
receive the bank account details?
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[Gilbert Chikli] You should
receive them tomorrow.
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[Élise Le Guével] These victims don't
necessarily seem gullible.
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They are professional, competent
people who are driven to succeed,
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and I think that's the
leverage the scammer needs.
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He had to be found.
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How are you?
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And you?
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Yes, that's why I'm calling you back.
Yes, I was there, I'm calling you back.
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[Marco Mouly] When you're young,
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there's a top dog, number
one, number two, number three.
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Gilbert was a number one.
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Come on, sit down.
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Two minutes, the lawyer just called me.
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When they plot, they're
going to aim for a lot of money. Why?
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Because they have
a story and they go for it.
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They prepare it and hold on even if it
takes time, even if it costs them money.
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But they get better,
they make it better so it works,
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so they'll try the first time.
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They'll see if they could grab that dough,
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and if they didn't get it,
then something is off.
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They'll do it again to
see what's not working
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and they'll do it better
until they get the real result they want.
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[mid-tempo music]
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PHILIPPE HUETZ: CHIEF OF POLICE PARIS
POLICE. ERIC MOREAU: MAJOR PARIS POLICE
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We're rolling, everyone ready?
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-[production] Yep
-OK, let's go.
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Did you get it?
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Maybe [laughs] .
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[production] Sniper.
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[Dominic] What was your first
reaction when you heard about the scam?
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At the time, I said to myself,
"the bigger it is, the better it works."
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That's the first thought I had.
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Because well, it's just massive.
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We quickly had about
20 or 30 different cases.
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We'd never seen a
method like this used before.
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Always the same.
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The secret agent, the CEO,
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and "we're fighting terrorism."
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The investigation turns into
a spider's web.
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It's completely international.
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The money goes to accounts abroad…
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Accounts in countries all over the world
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Yes.
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I think it's a wonderful scam.
The scammer is very talented.
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We had to catch him immediately.
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[Éric Moreau] We put a wire on the phone
line that was used to call some victims.
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We find out that the owner of the
line is named Shirley.
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[Shirley] Éric Moreau.
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What an arsehole.
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I tell Philippe
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that the next morning we'll go
find this young woman at her home.
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UNDERGROUND
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[Shirley] I was in Paris.
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I spent the evening with a very good
friend who stayed at my place.
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Poor guy.
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We were awaken by the police.
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I had a foot on my back,
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I was on the floor,
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my head was pressed flat on the ground.
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There was a foot on my back
I couldn't move,
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and they had big
guns like this, long guns.
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I asked them, "What did I do?
Why are you here?"
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"Counter terrorism service".
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I was speechless.
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On the wall facing the door, we see
a huge poster of another man.
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[suspenseful music]
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So I asked her, "Who's the
guy in the photo?"
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And she tells me,
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"It's Gilbert."
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As if to say, "You don't know him?"
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Well no.
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[suspenseful music]
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Shirley, in custody,
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as soon as she arrives,
she doesn't want to say anything.
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She says nothing,
she knows nothing, she's done nothing.
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Then, we realized that
Shirley is an extremely jealous woman.
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We played with that a bit.
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[Shirley] They were telling
me that Gilbert was unfaithful.
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That I was basically cheated on.
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It was a bluff, because…
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We don't have that info, we have nothing.
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And then,
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Shirley,
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with a stroke of luck, believes it.
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And she tells me,
"So he doesn't care about me,
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I'll tell you everything."
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And then she got going
and for 48 hours, she didn't stop.
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At first, I really wanted to be quiet
and protect Gilbert.
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But it was out of the question.
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I wasn't going to jail.
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So, that's why I
told them the whole story.
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I had to.
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[tense music]
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[Éric Moreau] We learn a
whole lot of things.
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[Philippe Huetz] We know
who is behind the CEO scams.
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[suspenseful music]
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[Éric Moreau] During the
interview, we get a call at the station
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a guy who was pretending to be one of the
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group's investigators wants
to speak to Shirley who is in custody.
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[inhales]
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And the very colleague he's
pretending to be is right in front of me.
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So…
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So, I quickly understand who is
on the phone and we start chatting.
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And he tells me,
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"Come see me in Israel, we will chat."
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And he says,
"I'll pay you, one-week a vacation
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if you put Shirley on the phone."
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[inhales]
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Obviously, I didn't do it
and I didn't get my one-week vacation.
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And now we know he is in Israel,
so we won't be able to arrest him.
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[tense music]
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[Gilbert Chikli] I was doing my best
not to get caught.
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It was a game of cat and mouse.
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I was the master of the game .
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Good evening. An investigation into
a new type of non-violent robbery.
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Crooks impersonating CEOs.
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La Poste office, Michelin, Intermarché
are among hundreds of victims.
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His name is Gilbert Chikli.
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Today, he's on the run abroad, in Israel.
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[dramatic music]
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[Shirley] I was sentenced to two
years in jail,
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to sign in twice a month at
the police station,
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forbidden to travel,
forbidden to leave the country.
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Gilbert didn't care.
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[Dominic] But were you sad
that Gilbert was done with you?
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[Shirley] Obviously.
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[soft music]
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We were good together.
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True love.
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We could have died together.
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[soft music]
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ISRAEL 2006
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[Shirley] In Israel,
he built another life.
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00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,600
In scamming,
you can't have any attachments,
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you have to be able to
leave everything at any moment.
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Well, he cut ties with me.
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[music]
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[Shirly Chikli] My name is Shirly,
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I live in Ashdod, Israel.
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I am a very simple girl,
very nice, very friendly.
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Hello?
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[Shirly Chikli]
I met Gilbert Chikli in 2006.
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SHIRLY NUMBER TWO
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[Dominic]
What do you think about Shirly Chikli?
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I don't know, I don't want to know,
I won't talk about it.
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I am above her.
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I buy her, I sell her back,
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and I make her clean the
floor with her hair.
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There you go.
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[Shirly Chikli] My father always wanted me
to go to school, to be a good student,
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and to do everything
that's supposed to be done, by the book.
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And I was a bit different.
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I was looking for a little more.
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[soft music]
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[Shirly] In 2006, at the time
I had nothing, I had zero money on me.
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00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,080
I remember that a friend of mine
gave me 70 euros to keep me going,
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because I had no money.
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00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,400
And one day we hear on the radio
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that two French people stole five million
euros, and they are Franco-Israeli.
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One of them, perhaps the most
famous in France, is Gilbert Shikli.
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In his native country he's considered a
fugitive, but here he lives like a king.
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[Shirly Chikli] I laughed
and said to my friend,
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I told her,
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"Oh my, that's a big fish,
if I find him he's cooked."
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I go outside, it was right
there, on this street,
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and a Mercedes pulls up.
A silver Mercedes.
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[soft music]
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I said, "Hello, Shalom."
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He said, "Shalom."
and looks at me strangely.
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And on the dashboard,
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there was a magazine in Hebrew.
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He said, "Can you tell me what is
written inside?"
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And I take the magazine
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and I see that it's written that two
French people got away with five million,
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and I laughed.
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In my head, I know something's up.
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He never told me
that it was him in the magazine,
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but I knew it was him.
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[Shirly Chikli] He was
like an angel that came into my life
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and only wanted to do good things for me.
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[upbeat music]
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00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,400
Gilbert had a special thing about
him that when he talks,
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everyone is captured by his story.
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Like a magician.
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He did a lot for me, he
spoiled me, presents and stuff,
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everything imaginable.
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[Dominic] Didn't you ask yourself
where the money was coming from?
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I didn't care where it came from.
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00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,240
There was something… a new thing
in my life that was only good for me.
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00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:13,680
Why would I ask questions?
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00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,680
[piano music]
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00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,560
After 11 months, we got married,
we had a big wedding.
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00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,000
When I arrived in my dress,
I felt like I was in a movie.
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00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,960
[mid-tempo music]
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00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,840
There were plenty of my friends who said,
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"Shirly, be careful,
the police are onto him."
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00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,360
But I loved Gilbert so much that I
didn't care about any of it.
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[reporter] Gilbert Chikli,
who had never talked to the press,
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has agreed to an interview with us.
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WHILST STILL WANTED BY THE FRENCH POLICE
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GILBERT CHIKLI APPEARS IN A SERIES
OF TELEVISION INTERVIEWS
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He's taken refuge in Israel, feels totally
protected, so he'll play with us a little.
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[inhales] We all have something
inside ourselves.
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It works or it doesn't.
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You're either gifted or you you're not.
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It's like like great actors,
great artists, like the greats etcetera.
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It either works or it doesn't.
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Well, let's say I have a
gift that works, so what?
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[soft music]
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[Élise Le Guével]
He functions by being daring.
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He can't stop himself
from putting on a show.
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A scammer's goal is
getting a lot of money.
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Me, I have money,
I've had it, I'll always have it.
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So I really think it was all a game.
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All these things I've done,
they come from me.
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Me alone, only me.
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I built a thing that multiplied
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because it was
interesting to thousands of people.
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[sharp sound]
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[Gilbert Chikli] I am explaining to
you that this transfer isn't scheduled,
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but it has to be done today to
avoid penalties.
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So, do what you have to do.
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[Shirley] He kept it up,
he increased the pace.
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He just about made it a job.
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00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:17,920
There are offices in Israel,
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where there are 50
young people who make the calls.
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"Hello, I'm the CEO, I would like a
wire transfer."
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He went from two
million euros, to eight million euros,
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15 million, 20 million.
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00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:34,360
It was… well yeah, incredible.
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[soft music]
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[accomplice x] When Gilbert came to
see us, we couldn't understand at first,
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ACCOMPLICE X FORMER ACCOMPLICE OF GILBERT
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because he wanted us to believe that
by pretending to be a CEO,
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we could extort huge amounts of money.
449
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It was going everywhere
and everyone got in.
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It was the new El Dorado.
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Gilbert was a leader.
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[soft music]
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00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,840
He was simply the genius of this story.
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00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,400
But of course, he also
had people doing business research.
455
00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:13,880
There's the blackmailer who leads the
accountant on until the transfer is done.
456
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The cashiers, their
only job is to get the money
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and distribute it to
destinations all over the world.
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00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,120
It was intense,
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00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,680
we played the game without
thinking about the risks.
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For some, it became a thing.
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00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,680
In fact, Gilbert always kept
my phone number,
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00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,480
and from time to time,
he'd call me to say,
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"Hey, well this time,
I know it didn't work."
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Or, when it worked, he'd call me
to say, "I got you."
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You see, there's a kind of a game,
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"I'm safe, I'm still doing my thing,
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you keep trying to catch me,
you never will."
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Extraordinary.
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00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,320
BY 2009 CHIKLI AND HIS TEAM HAD
SCAMMED ALMOST 60 MILLION EUROS
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[tense music]
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00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,320
[Thierry Chikli] I'm the third brother.
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00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,000
Since he was born,
you could leave him anywhere.
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00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,200
He'd always get by fine,
we never worried about it,
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00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,600
nobody ever worried about him,
that's for sure.
475
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,960
[sharp sound]
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00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,160
[Thierry Chikli] Everything started
in Rue des Noués in the 20th.
477
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,040
It was a small street in Belleville.
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00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,800
It was two tiny rooms, no shower, no
bathroom, nothing. It was really horrid.
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00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,760
We didn't have a choice,
unfortunately, that's how it was.
480
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,720
My dad was a garage worker,
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00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,120
and my mother, well,
no time to work, five children,
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00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,600
it wasn't easy.
483
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,640
So he understood very early that we
had true financial worries.
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00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,240
[suspenseful music]
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00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,160
[Thierry Chikli] By powers of speech,
he'd leave with empty pockets
486
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,960
and come back with full pockets.
487
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,360
The boy didn't know how to stop.
488
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,200
It really drove my father crazy,
489
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,360
he could never find a solution.
490
00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:17,720
He chained him up.
491
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:19,920
He chained him up. [laughs]
492
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,000
It's true, it's funny, because today,
it seems a bit psychopathic,
493
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,080
we don't chain up
children, but he didn't know what to do.
494
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,440
He was too hyperactive, he never stopped.
495
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,400
He realized that not only did he
have the gift of gab, he also had talent.
496
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,080
He knew he was such a persuasive
force and he could do what he wanted,
497
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,320
when he wanted.
498
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,760
[piano music]
499
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,680
[Gilbert Chikli]
I was extremely close to my mother,
500
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,800
she let me get away with everything,
and I did anything she wanted.
501
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,320
My mother often explained
to me, that I had to get into the game,
502
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,360
and above all, never underestimate
the person I was talking to.
503
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,760
[Shirly Chikli]
He did everything for his mother.
504
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,440
His mother loved the casino.
505
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,080
Since he was little, every time she lost
money at the casino,
506
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,800
he'd go to her house and give her money.
507
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:20,040
I think he had to make
money ever since his childhood.
508
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:23,720
[Élise Le Guével]
His mother used to say to him,
509
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,680
"Every morning, there is a
chomp out there for you to find."
510
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,760
He doesn't necessarily see human
beings based on their positions,
511
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,040
social status or personality.
512
00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:35,160
No.
513
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,720
It's "Are you a potential chomp or not?"
514
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,760
"Am I going I find a
way to rip you off or not?"
515
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,080
"Whoever you are,
powerful, humble, small."
516
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:46,680
That drives him.
517
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,400
[mid-tempo music]
518
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:50,760
[Philippe Huetz] So, we were waiting.
519
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,000
We were waiting for a mistake, the
little thing to get back in the game.
520
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,080
So, my department head
was putting on the pressure [laughs].
521
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,360
[Éric Moreau] One day,
we get a telephone call.
522
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,240
I recognized Gilbert's voice.
523
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,720
And then like usual,
he teases me a little, saying,
524
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,040
"This time, it worked."
525
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,280
There we go.
526
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,120
For 11 millions euros.
527
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,800
[tense music]
528
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,160
[Éric Moreau] I call a
contact I have at American Express.
529
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,160
He tells me,
530
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,720
"Your wire transfers just got converted
to American Express Traveler's Cheques.
531
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,640
Your traveler's cheques are in a package,
532
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:39,280
and the package is being shipped by
DHL and sent to Tel Aviv
533
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,120
in one week."
534
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,360
[upbeat music]
535
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,120
LAHAV 433
536
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,000
POLICE OFFICER
537
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,920
[production] Dominic,
whenever you are ready.
538
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,640
[exhales]
539
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:53,560
[Dominic] Ready?
540
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:55,880
Ready.
541
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,200
DAVID KATZ
HEAD OF ISRAELI CYBER CRIME UNIT
542
00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,600
[mid-tempo music]
543
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,480
[David Katz] I was sitting in
my office, just another normal day,
544
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,440
then I'm getting a call from a colleague
from the Israeli Customs Service.
545
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:08,400
And he's telling me,
546
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,680
"Listen, David, we have a
situation here at the airport,
547
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,680
we just seized a package,
548
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,360
a FedEx Package containing
1.2 million dollars
549
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,800
worth of Traveler's Cheques
coming from Mexico."
550
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,840
I saw the destination and
the name was "Chikli".
551
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,520
We checked in our database and
we saw that he has double nationality.
552
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,120
[soft music]
553
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,520
The first thing I thought I should
do is give a call to my French colleagues,
554
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,680
to see who this Gilbert Chikli guy is.
555
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,920
I understand that there is a much
bigger picture than
556
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,360
the only 1.2 million
dollars involved in this case.
557
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,280
[mid-tempo music]
558
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,560
[David Katz] We bug the package to
wiretap the conversations.
559
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,960
[mid-tempo music]
560
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,200
[David Katz] Then I take one
of my detectives.
561
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,840
We give him the clothes
of the delivery company,
562
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,120
we give him the package,
563
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,960
and we sent him to
Ashdod to make the delivery.
564
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,440
[radio squawks]
565
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,520
We felt stressed because we knew that
without a successful controlled delivery
566
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,560
we will not be able to link the suspect,
567
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,440
Mr Chikli, to the frauds,
568
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,200
and we also knew
that this is a one-shot chance.
569
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,640
[suspenseful music]
570
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,320
[Thierry Chikli] One day,
we were at Gilbert's house.
571
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,280
He was supposed to receive a package.
572
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,560
We are all here, his wife, me, everything
is fine but we don't know what's happening
573
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,440
[doorbell]
574
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,080
When he sees a guy coming up
at this house and ringing the doorbell,
575
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,240
he opens the door and he sees
that something isn't right,
576
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,880
because the person that gave him the
package something's off about him.
577
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,880
Then, he sees exactly what's going
on, his first reflex was to call UPS,
578
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,400
"No, it's not me, you sent me a package,
579
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,120
I didn't ask for it,
I don't whose it is, come get it."
580
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,040
[David Katz in English] We understand
that something here is not right.
581
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,600
[radio squawks]
582
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,280
[David Katz] This for me, was the point
583
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:15,200
to order the police forces to break into
the house and to make the arrest.
584
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:16,880
[suspenseful music]
585
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,920
[dog barking]
586
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,440
[Thierry Chikli] Then it begins,
the dogs come into the house,
587
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:23,840
they searched the aquarium.
588
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,920
When the police found everything, they
found two here, three there, two here,
589
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,120
and everything, a good ten phones.
590
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,720
They say, "What's all this?"
591
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,080
" No, I'm a collector."
592
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,800
[laughs] Come on.
593
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,120
We accomplished our mission with him.
594
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,320
[Dominic] Did it feel good?
595
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:42,520
It felt great.
596
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,720
[reporter]
The primary suspect Gilbert Shikli,
597
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,440
for defrauding a series of banks
and other businesses.
598
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:50,800
[tense music]
599
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,080
[in Hebrew] They have no proof, they just
want to take us, we don't know why.
600
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:57,440
[reporter Hebrew]
Judge Ezra Kama was not moved,
601
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,800
and determined that Gilbert Shikli
could be extradited.
602
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,520
[Shirly Chikli in Hebrew] They're
ruining our lives, ruining them,
603
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,720
because of a stupid story,
I don't even know who invented it.
604
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,800
[Shirly Chikli] I didn't know what to do,
I didn't know what was happening.
605
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,360
I was pregnant, I spent my
entire pregnancy all alone.
606
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,680
I was in a very bad state.
607
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,400
I was crying every day with my mobile
next to me, waiting for him to call me.
608
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,280
For everything he'd done for me, I'd said,
609
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,040
"I'll always be there for you."
610
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,240
[mid-tempo music]
611
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,760
[Gilbert Chikli] An artist is like a bird.
612
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,120
When it flies away,
you will never catch it.
613
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,320
[Philippe Huetz]
Gilbert Chikli has no fear of authority.
614
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,960
[Éric Moreau] He spends 20 months in jail,
and then he's released on bail.
615
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,160
He contacts a movie producer
616
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,600
and he offers to sell
the rights to his story.
617
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,040
The producer accepts.
618
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,320
I think he must have been just as
convincing as when he was scamming people.
619
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,880
So, the producer decides to pay the bail,
620
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,600
and Gilbert leaves a few days later.
621
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:18,639
IN 2009, CHIKLI BROKE THE CONDITIONS
OF HIS BAIL.
622
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,679
HE ESCAPED BACK TO ISRAEL
USING HIS HIDDEN ISRAELI PASSPORT
623
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,960
SHORTLY AFTER, HE
BECAME A CONSULTANT ON THE FILM
624
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:28,719
[Gilbert Chikli] How much
is there in the account?
625
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,600
-[character1] 400 million euros.
-[exclaims in excitement]
626
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:32,360
[Gilbert Chikli in fiction film]
Do you think you can handle it?
627
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:33,960
[Gilbert Chikli] He's manipulating
them so easily.
628
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,080
[Gilbert Chikli in fiction film]
Contacting you was a good decision.
629
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:36,040
[character1] Thank you.
630
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,840
[upbeat music]
631
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,000
[Gilbert Chikli in fiction film]
Don't tell your mom.
632
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:42,679
[Shirly Chikli] Vincent Elbaz
played him nicely.
633
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,360
He came to our place
to see what Gilbert is like,
634
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,960
to see his mannerisms
and copied him very well.
635
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:52,719
[Éric Moreau] I had him on the phone again
636
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,560
when the movie came out, at the premiere.
637
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:56,639
He called at the film premiere?
638
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:57,880
[Éric Moreau] Exactly.
639
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,600
I was invited by the producer,
640
00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:02,600
and at the end of the screening he calls.
641
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:04,760
What did he say?
642
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,240
He tells me he's in Israel.
643
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,560
I tell him, "Oh too bad,
you could have come."
644
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,720
[sighs] He answers,
645
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,480
"No, because apparently I have an
international arrest warrant on my arse."
646
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:16,880
He says, "You couldn't tell me?"
647
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,560
-Extraordinary.
-[Éric Moreau] Exactly.
648
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:24,520
DESPITE CHIKLI'S ABSENCE
HIS TRIAL GOES AHEAD IN PARIS WITHOUT HIM
649
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,160
[suspenseful music]
650
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,360
[Élise Le Guével]
I attended the whole trial.
651
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:29,720
There were a number of people in the dock,
652
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,640
but not the number one scammer
653
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:34,240
The one everyone
wanted to hear from, Gilbert Chikli,
654
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,520
isn't here,
655
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,720
on the other hand, there
is a woman who suddenly arrives,
656
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,560
and we film her
without really knowing who she is.
657
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:47,080
A flamboyant woman, she has a fur
coat, and big black Ray-Ban sunglasses.
658
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,080
Why are you filming our case?
What's your reason?
659
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,440
[France2 TV crew] Okay, no problem.
660
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,040
[Shirley] I'm the investigator from…
661
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,880
I'm Gilbert Chikli's ex-wife.
662
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,080
Cut that now.
663
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:01,960
[Shirley] I'm the victim of this case.
664
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,640
They all kept kept it up without me and
without giving me any commission.
665
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:07,720
I am the victim.
666
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,080
There are no victims but me.
667
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,440
[tense music]
668
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,000
So I understand whose lawyers are whose,
669
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,960
and I try to go see Mr Kaminski,
Gilbert Chikli's lawyer.
670
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,480
[suspenseful music]
671
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,280
But every break in the proceedings,
I see him always on the phone,
672
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,280
very agitated,
673
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,240
and someone next to me tells me,
674
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,560
"It's Gilbert, he's calling him."
675
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,240
[suspenseful music]
676
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,480
Chikli would have loved to be there.
677
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,080
[inhales]
678
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,680
Because he can't bear for there
to be a show without him.
679
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,520
It's his show and he is not on stage,
680
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,800
he's not there to defend
himself, Kaminski is.
681
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,400
[Dominic] Was it difficult to defend him?
682
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,840
Well, any criminal defense is difficult.
683
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,320
But he was a brilliant phone scammer,
684
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,040
probably top three in the world,
685
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,080
maybe even the best.
686
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,040
At his level, a little French genius.
687
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,040
A little French genius,
maybe with criminal cases,
688
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,560
but still a genius.
689
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,600
[Dominic] Do you think that his victims
would call him a genius?
690
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,520
I think that from the victims' side,
691
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,840
what must be terrible
for them is the shame.
692
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,000
It's the shame of being fooled by a guy
who didn't go to college,
693
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,400
who grew up in one
of the poorest neighborhoods in Paris,
694
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,040
who picked up a phone,
and by picking up a phone,
695
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,320
took millions from them.
696
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,800
Who are the morons? Who are the dummies?
697
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,240
It's the victims!
698
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,720
The victims are stupid!
699
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,120
[Dominic] But they
were manipulated by him.
700
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:53,720
But the victims were manipulated
because they are stupid!
701
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,400
We shouldn't twist the story.
702
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,400
[mid-tempo music]
703
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:00,880
COURTHOUSE
704
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,160
Gilbert Chikli is at
the heart of the debate.
705
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:06,640
He is not here but he is
here, he permeates the room.
706
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:08,880
He is not here but everyone is
talking about him,
707
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,480
he's really the centre of what's at stake.
708
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,440
And yes, I wanted to meet him, it
was important for me to meet him.
709
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,360
[soft music]
710
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,560
ISRAEL
711
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,160
So we left for Israel
without any guarantees.
712
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:28,000
I only had his address,
713
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,720
[stutters]
714
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,800
and I told myself, you have
to go and knock on his door.
715
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,640
[suspenseful music]
716
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,000
We arrive, we wait,
717
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,880
we were going to ring the doorbell
and he comes to the street corner.
718
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,320
He says, "Who are you?
What are you doing here?"
719
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,840
He sees the camera.
720
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,480
So I tell him I am a
journalist from France2.
721
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,120
[Gilbert Chikli] Come on, enter,
I won't leave you at the door.
722
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,560
Gilbert, of course, knows this house.
723
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:58,880
[Élise Le Guével] So we settle in.
724
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,840
I'm going to have a drink,
a small glass of whisky, because…
725
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,120
[Élise Le Guével] Gilbert…
726
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,440
We have this kind of whisky.
727
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:10,360
Gilbert acts with me
like he does with his victims.
728
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,120
I mean, he senses who's in front of him.
729
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,480
He quickly knew
that I felt sorry for the victims.
730
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,440
And when the interview starts, he
talks about it right away,
731
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,960
acknowledging his guilt,
732
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,920
looking me in the eyes saying,
733
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,520
"First, I'll like to say I'm sorry.
I am sorry for all these victims."
734
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,520
Unfortunately, these victims
will have suffered a great deal,
735
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:38,560
Yes, I'm sorry, I apologize and I
feel deep regret for these victims.
736
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:41,800
[Élise Le Guével] During the
interview, I thought,
737
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:43,800
"He is clever, so clever."
738
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,000
Because he sensed who I was right away.
739
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,880
Well, it was a game, it was funny,
then I realized it wasn't.
740
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,320
And then at one point he says to us,
741
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,120
"Hey, I'm going to sing you a little song.
Hang on, I'm gonna sing you a song"
742
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,160
♪ I wasn't even 20 years old ♪
743
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,360
♪ I only thought about laughing ♪
744
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,320
♪ I was living in the present ♪
745
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,000
♪ Without thinking about the future ♪
746
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,520
And he starts singing Aznavour.
747
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,640
He says: "Ah, La Bohème, Paris,
Montmartre, La Bohème."
748
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:18,000
And he sings with a beautiful voice,
he has a very beautiful, raspy voice.
749
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,640
♪ Without thinking about the future ♪
750
00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:27,440
[Gilbert Chilki] So that's me, I wrote
that. You see I… there you go.
751
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:31,280
And he keeps glancing at us.
752
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,040
He knows exactly what
he is doing at that moment.
753
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,080
He knows perfectly well that
he's putting on a big show for us.
754
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,720
[guitar playing]
755
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,960
He's a seducer, all the time.
756
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,560
And he always wants to win.
757
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:53,160
The man in front of me, I don't
feel as if he is a retired scammer.
758
00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:56,480
I feel like this is someone who
will never stop, who lives for this.
759
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,800
[somber music]
760
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,400
When I leave this house, I ask myself,
761
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,520
"What's his next move?
What's he gonna do next?"
762
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,400
And in fact, he was actually
getting ready for something much bigger.
763
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,840
[suspenseful music]
764
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,640
[Gilbert Chikli] The human being
is afraid of what he doesn't know.
765
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,240
Daring means to shirk away from nothing,
766
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,280
to not be afraid,
to be who you want to be.
767
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:27,760
This is daring.
768
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,400
[soft music]
769
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,400
[reporter] Welcome to Soir3 weekend,
770
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,000
after the three simultaneous
attacks that took place tonight.
771
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:39,840
[suspenseful music]
772
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,480
[Delphine Meillet] It was a
dark year of terrorism in France.
773
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,760
Patriotism is pulpable.
774
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,160
This notion of terrorism
and menace is everywhere.
775
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,400
It's in the air at the time.
776
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,960
There were French hostages being detained
in Syria, in Mali, by terrorists.
777
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,360
Fear is a vulnerability,
778
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,840
and that's typically
what Gilbert Chikli likes to exploit.
779
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:18,200
I think that at one point, he told himself
that a telephone call won't be enough…
780
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,600
"So I have to make my story and
identity more believable."
781
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:25,640
So for that, nothing
is better than a visual.
782
00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:27,840
[soft music]
783
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:30,680
[Élise Le Guével] He has to be convincing.
784
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,200
He has to find a minister who is
important, but also not the President.
785
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,960
Jean-Yves Le Drian is Minister of Defense,
786
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,680
the second most important person
in the country,
787
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:44,120
responsible for the army and the borders.
788
00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:47,640
[Jean-Yves Le Drian] First, we are in
the midst of an exceptional situation.
789
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,760
In terms of theatre of
operations, threats and conflict.
790
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,280
ACTUAL WHATSAPP VOICE NOTE
BETWEEN CHIKLI AND HIS ACCOMPLICE
791
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,720
[Gilbert Chikli] Anyway, I sent
you photos of the person.
792
00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:59,840
We need a perfect resemblance.
793
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:01,840
And in hard plastic, understood?
794
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,480
[mid-tempo music]
795
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:04,920
[accomplice x] Latex or hard silicone.
796
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,960
[Gilbert Chikli] Without even
putting it on, you see it's him.
797
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,160
Because you take it off, put it on
and off, over and over, it doesn't tear.
798
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:18,280
We just want the mouth
to be open, that's all.
799
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,480
It's very simple, that's all.
800
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,120
Thank you my dear, love you.
801
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,600
-[church bell]
-[suspenseful music]
802
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,160
SAINT EMILION 2017
803
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,840
My name is Guy-Petrus Lignac,
804
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:44,240
I'm the owner of a Saint-Emilion
Grand Cru Classé called Château Guadet.
805
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:55,120
This property has been visited by Prime
Ministers, many ambassadors, consuls,
806
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,400
so I'm not surprised when I get
calls from these kind of people.
807
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,880
[beautiful clarinet music]
808
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,240
It's the January, 23rd,
809
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,880
[birds chirping]
810
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,600
it's about five minutes to one,
and I suddenly get a phone call.
811
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,560
-[bird chirping]
-[phone rings]
812
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,000
And it's someone who tells me,
813
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,360
"I am minister Mr Le Drian's secretary,
814
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:25,960
he wants to talk to you,
815
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:34,240
but he is adamant that no one may hear
or know what you will be talking about.
816
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,280
So he will talk to you over Skype."
817
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,240
I am a little surprised,
but okay, why not,
818
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:42,680
so he hangs up and I hang up.
819
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,720
I have no idea of what
the Minister will ask me.
820
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,800
[phone ringing]
821
00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:54,480
[Guy-Petrus Lignac] I press the button.
822
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:01,120
I see, the minister,
Mr Le Drian in front of me.
823
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,920
[slow music]
824
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,880
[Mr Le Drien] I know his face,
since we regularly see his face on TV.
825
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,160
Even though he is quite far away from me,
826
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,200
it is the minister's face.
827
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,560
He knows my first name,
828
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,360
It is a very calm voice from
someone who's very sure of themselves.
829
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,120
Mr Le Drian tells me,
830
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,920
"Mr Guy-Petrus Lignac,
831
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,840
I have a mission of the
utmost importance for you.
832
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,400
Can I trust you?"
833
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,520
So I answer, "Yes sir,
Minister, you can trust me."
834
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,920
He explains to me that there
are French hostages in Mali,
835
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,520
and that they have asked for a ransom
from the French government.
836
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,160
[suspenseful music]
837
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,320
We have to get those
hostages out of there.
838
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:05,280
But he tells me that the French
government never pays ransoms.
839
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:10,160
So I'm going to need you.
840
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,280
And I need a lot of money.
841
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,640
Don't worry, you will be reimbursed.
842
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,280
You know the
French State won't let you down.
843
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,600
[sharp sound]
844
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:33,080
[Bell dings]
845
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,960
[Delphine Meillet] The best person to free
hostages is the Minister of Defense.
846
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:41,680
My name is Delphine Meillet,
847
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,480
I am a lawyer at the Paris Bar.
I'm an expert in identity theft.
848
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,200
Everything has always been
clear with Jean-Yves Le Drian,
849
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,760
who has a very clean image.
850
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,000
DELPHINE MEILLET
JEAN-YVES LE DRIAN'S LAWYER
851
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:54,440
above reproach.
852
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,400
He's a very respected…
respectable politician.
853
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,920
A man really serving the State and
the interests of France,
854
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,640
and has been for a long time.
855
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:06,880
A true, legitimate minister.
856
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,400
[suspenseful music]
857
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,240
When you have the Minister of Defense,
858
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,640
Jean-Yves Le Drian on the phone,
859
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:16,200
you are immediately impressed and honored.
860
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:21,120
[soft music]
861
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,120
[phone rings]
862
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:27,600
[phone rings]
863
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:28,920
[Aga Khan] Hello?
864
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,880
[Gilbert Chikli] Yes your
Highness, how are you?
865
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:31,960
16TH AUGUST 2016: RECORDED
CALL WITH THE AGA KHAN
866
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,400
[Aga Khan] Yes, hello.
867
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,280
[Gilbert Chikli] Hello.
You are not alone now?
868
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:37,480
[Aga Khan] No.
869
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,720
[Gilbert Chikli] Do you want
me to call you back later?
870
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:40,840
[Aga Khan] Yes.
871
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,360
[soft music]
872
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,920
The CEO scam targeted people in positions
in the middle of companies' hierarchy.
873
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,600
In 2015, he changes targets.
874
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,920
Now the targets are upper class people.
875
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,200
The VIPs,
876
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,560
very important people with
very big responsibilities
877
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:03,720
and a huge amount of money.
878
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,920
[dramatic music]
879
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,720
The Aga Khan is
a billionaire, he's a prince,
880
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,960
a spiritual leader at the head of a Shiite
Muslim community called the Ismailis,
881
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,600
and for these people, the Aga
Khan is literally the Pope.
882
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,040
Gilbert Chikli says to himself, "I'll
take on the Pope, no problem."
883
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,200
[crackling line]
884
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:27,160
[Aga Khan] Hello?
885
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,400
[Gilbert Chikli] Yes, your
Highness, it's me again.
886
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,400
GILBERT CHIKLI DENIES THIS IS HIS VOICE
887
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,720
[Gilbert Chikli] Could you get this
information within the next few minutes?
888
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,240
Because tomorrow morning we wrap
it up, so I'd like to close the case.
889
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,480
[Aga Khan] I can't tell
you how long it will take.
890
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,080
[Gilbert Chikli] But call your bank,
they will tell you immediately.
891
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,720
[Aga Khan] I think I have a
number to contact you, right? Yes?
892
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:52,920
[Gilbert Chikli] Yes, exactly.
893
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,360
Because it is important that you send me
the whole amount, do you understand?
894
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,480
[Aga Khan] Yes, absolutely.
895
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,600
Listen, I'll look into it right away.
896
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,640
[Aga Khan] I can give you 5.8.
897
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:08,520
[Gilbert Chikli] Yes, absolutely.
898
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:10,800
[Aga Khan] 4.8 million
899
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,280
[Gilbert Chikli] Exactly.
900
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:13,600
[Aga Khan] And four million.
901
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,640
[soft music]
902
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,800
[Gilbert Chikli] It's in your interest,
Your Highness.
903
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,880
[Aga Khan] Okay.
904
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,600
I will see if I can contact the bank.
905
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,080
[Gilbert Chikli] Very good.
Very good, thank you very much.
906
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:34,640
OVER THE COURSE OF THREE DAYS THE AGA KHAN
TRANSFERED OVER 20 MILLION EUROS
907
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:36,960
TO THE CALLER'S BANK ACCOUNT
908
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,560
20 MILLION EUROS
909
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,760
[scrambling sound]
910
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,920
[Gilbert Chikli] Creativity is
something you put in place,
911
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,680
you invent something
that never existed before.
912
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,240
[scrambling sound]
913
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:55,360
[Gilbert Chikli] I wanted to succeed.
914
00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:57,840
In my mind, I wasn't a crook.
915
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,800
I was a person who
managed to convince, that's all.
916
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,680
No more, no less.
917
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,400
[suspenseful music]
918
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,120
[Delphine Meillet] He is using the
resources and power of the French State,
919
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,200
the image and authority of
a minister on the phone.
920
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,920
He would also make you feel
honored to be contacted by the minister,
921
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,040
meaning your are trustworthy, since
you were asked to keep the secret.
922
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,360
There are a lots of aspects of
humanity being exploited by this scam.
923
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,160
[suspenseful music]
924
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,560
He'll use your
sentimental, patriotic feelings,
925
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,280
to put pressure on you with speed,
926
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:43,240
sense of urgency, danger,
responsibility, honor,
927
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,320
and with that all added up,
you will give in.
928
00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:48,800
How do you resist? It is very hard.
929
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,440
[soft music]
930
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,440
[Élise Le Guével]
It doesn't surprise me that
931
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:54,800
with aplomb and authority,
932
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,040
and by pushing
the right buttons, once again,
933
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,840
"terrorism, help us,
France will pay you back,"
934
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:01,480
he gets them to pay.
935
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:03,880
Always with the same methods.
936
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,200
Self-confidence, lots of self-confidence.
937
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,000
This is the hardest to swallow,
being completely fooled by a scammer.
938
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,840
a jeans seller from Belleville.
939
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,160
Gilbert Chikli never loses composure.
940
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,240
Never.
941
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,360
The only time he gets angry
is when he realizes he has been fooled.
942
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:32,480
[French organ music]
943
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:40,480
I am Sophie Grenier,
944
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,160
I'm the Financial Director of the Landes
Chamber of Commerce and Industry.
945
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:51,200
I am shall we say, a meticulous person.
946
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,960
I like precision, organization.
947
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,440
I'm like a flight attendant.
948
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:57,720
[soft music]
949
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,440
On February first, 2017,
950
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:06,000
I am at the dentist to schedule
my next appointment,
951
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,800
and in that moment, I get a phone call.
952
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:16,680
He tells me that Minister Jean-Yves Le
Drian wants to have a video conference.
953
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,800
Well, I have to pick up my son in school,
954
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,960
and at the same time I have to organize,
955
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,640
or at least participate in,
956
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:27,280
a video conference with the
Minister of Defense.
957
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:29,760
This was very far-fetched.
958
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,680
A Wednesday unlike any other.
959
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,640
So when the time comes, I get connected
960
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:42,000
and I find myself in front of the
Minister of Defense, Jean-Yves Le Drian.
961
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:49,000
But after the video conference, I think
it's a joke, I don't know if it is real.
962
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,920
[Gilbert Chikli] I just sent you a
very confidential document,
963
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:54,880
tell me if you received it?
964
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:56,800
[Sophie Grenier] Yes, I did.
965
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,680
[Sophie Grenier] To reassure me,
he sends me a letter
966
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:05,720
in which he tells me that this operation
is completely guaranteed.
967
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,680
[Sophie Grenier] Let me have a look at it,
maybe we can read it together.
968
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,240
[Gilbert Chikli] Yes, go ahead.
969
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:13,240
[Sophie Grenier] "Following our
video conference
970
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,600
concerning the liberation of a French
national held in Mali…"
971
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,000
Wow, that's really terrible.
972
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:18,960
[Gilbert Chikli] Yes.
973
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,880
The letter he sent me isn't justified
974
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,960
and it is full of spelling mistakes.
975
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,600
[suspenseful music]
976
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:30,600
MISTER SOPHIE GRENIER
977
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,680
[inhales] So, after this call, I ask
myself, "what the hell is this?"
978
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,200
This is so strange, what's going on?
979
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,400
I really don't understand,
so I start wondering.
980
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,080
So, I call my General manager
and I tell him the story.
981
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,280
He says to me,
982
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,040
"Sophie, it's really a
scam, it's not possible.
983
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,600
Listen, I'll ask around to
confirm that it is really a scam."
984
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:58,840
So, I call the police.
985
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,560
We have an individual who spends his
time, calling embassies and consulates.
986
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:06,960
MICKAEL MANDINE HEAD OF
SCAM AND FRAUD POLICE NATIONALE
987
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,480
He would call around 180 organizations.
988
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,200
[production] Did you
think it might be Gilbert Chikli?
989
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:16,560
I already had in mind that
Gilbert Chikli wasn’t far away.
990
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,440
[Dominic] When you heard this
story, what did you think?
991
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:20,760
[stutters] I was shocked.
992
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,000
[stutters] For me, this kind of a fraud…
993
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:25,720
unbelievable.
994
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,560
To prepare and to wear a mask,
995
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:34,200
and then target with video calls
very high-level officials,
996
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:40,080
and to persuade them to
send money to free prisoners of war.
997
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,600
This is incredible.
998
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,800
One thing for sure, that at that moment,
999
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:50,240
we all understood
that our rival is an expert.
1000
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:51,840
[upbeat music]
1001
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,440
[David Katz] We had to find the identity
of the man behind the mask.
1002
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,560
My mission is to make him believe
that I'm going to pay him the money,
1003
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,960
and for that he has to give me a
European bank account number
1004
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,320
that would allow
them to trace the whole network.
1005
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,560
[soft music]
1006
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,320
Since he tried to play me,
1007
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,920
I figure that I'm going to play him.
1008
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:24,040
Two days later, I'm at home and he calls
me, my mission begins.
1009
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:26,160
[Sophie Grenier] Hello
1010
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:27,000
FEBRUARY 3RD, 2017: RECORDING OF THE PHONE
Call BETWEEN SOPHIE AND THE FAKE MINISTER.
1011
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:27,680
GILBERT CHIKLI DENIES INVOLVEMENT
1012
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,320
[Gilbert Chikli] Yes, Mrs Grenier,
so then, how are you making your payment?
1013
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,080
On the internet? Tell me
how you will proceed.
1014
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:34,760
[Sophie Grenier]
Well yes, I will pay via the internet,
1015
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,680
I'm going to connect to my different
banks and that's it.
1016
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:39,760
[Gilbert Chikli] What are your banks?
1017
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,960
-[Sophie Grenier] I have BNP,
-[Gilbert Chikli] Yeah.
1018
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,080
[Sophie Grenier] I have the Caisse
d'Épargne.
1019
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:48,960
[Gilbert Chikli] So we can take out
between 800 and 900 per day then?
1020
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,000
-[Sophie Grenier] Yes.
-[Gilbert Chikli] Understood.
1021
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:54,600
I'm trying to be
very focused on what I say,
1022
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:59,640
not to make any mistake that could lead
him to think we're setting a trap for him.
1023
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:01,480
We are on a tightrope.
1024
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,280
[Gilbert Chikli] Alright, I'll call
you back in exactly half an hour,
1025
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:05,600
Be available.
1026
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:06,800
-[Sophie Grenier] Okay.
-[Gilbert Chikli] Goodbye, thank you.
1027
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,400
-[Sophie Grenier] Goodbye, thank you sir.
-[Gilbert Chikli] Goodbye.
1028
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,520
[Dominic] Do you have the
impression that he believed you?
1029
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:14,640
Oh yes.
1030
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:19,400
I'm under the impression he believes me,
that's what makes it fun tricking a thief.
1031
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,080
I go to the police station.
1032
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,240
There are several of us in the office.
1033
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,640
We set up a listening system and then
we wait for the famous phone call.
1034
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:34,800
There's a great deal of tension.
1035
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,280
Everyone is looking at my
phone, we are all waiting for the call,
1036
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,680
nobody moves, there isn't any noise.
1037
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,120
[tense music]
1038
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,960
MASKED NUMBER
1039
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:54,120
When the phone rings, it is the
big moment, the finale.
1040
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,160
[Gilbert Chikli]
Are you in front of your computer?
1041
00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:58,560
[Sophie Grenier] Yes, I am.
1042
00:56:58,640 --> 00:56:59,800
MASKED NUMBER
1043
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,360
I'm in the middle of doing
fake work on a real computer.
1044
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,360
[tense music]
1045
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,840
So I say, "Give me the account number."
1046
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,240
And says, "No,
we're going to do it together."
1047
00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:18,000
[Gilbert Chikli For the first operation,
we have to witness the transfer,
1048
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:19,200
it is very important.
1049
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:20,280
[Sophie Grenier] Okay…
1050
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,080
[sighs] Ah, I was thinking that he would
give me the account number,
1051
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,480
I would hang up the phone and
the case would be closed.
1052
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:28,440
It's getting complicated.
1053
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,800
[Gilbert Chikli] So, I'm giving you
the number. S… four… three.
1054
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,680
[Sophie Grenier] S… four… three
1055
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,920
I type each number
meticulously after he says it.
1056
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,160
[Gilbert Chikli] nine, zero
1057
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,160
[Sophie Grenier]
The room is completely still.
1058
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,640
-[Gilbert Chikli] 36.
-[Sophie Grenier] Yes.
1059
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,840
I'm waiting for the
last number of the account.
1060
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,640
-[Sophie Grenier] Yes.
-[Gilbert Chikli] 83.
1061
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:54,800
[Sophie Grenier] I'm ready to type.
1062
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:56,440
[Gilbert Chikli] 42.
1063
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,360
[Sophie Grenier] He gives
the last number of the account.
1064
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,000
[Gilbert Chikli] 55.
1065
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,160
[sound]
1066
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,200
And I say, hang on,
enter transfer validation.
1067
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,320
Oh, I tell him there's a problem.
1068
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,640
[Sophie Grenier]
Ah, it seems to me like it's not working.
1069
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,080
No, it doesn't seem like… no, not working
1070
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,360
[Sophie Grenier]
At this point he gets angry.
1071
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:18,840
[Gilbert Chikli] This isn't normal.
1072
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,360
The line is very good, so check it,
1073
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,040
there's no reason it shouldn't work.
1074
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,760
-[Sophie Grenier] And he hung up.
-[Gilbert Chikli] Goodbye.
1075
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,360
I think he understood that he'd been had.
1076
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,680
[David Katz] We had the bank account of
the fraudster who committed the fraud.
1077
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:41,600
We come to the evidential conclusion
1078
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,680
that the man behind the mask is Mr Chikli.
1079
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,600
[suspenseful music]
1080
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:53,200
When I realized that this was the same guy
1081
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,760
that I was part of the investigations
1082
00:58:55,840 --> 00:59:00,240
concerning his first frauds ten years ago,
1083
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:01,400
I was quite surprised,
1084
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,200
because to be frank,
1085
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:09,280
you need to be bold to execute
this kind of fraud against a victim.
1086
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,440
[car engine starts]
1087
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:15,400
We decide to drive to the
destination of Chikli's house.
1088
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:22,280
We discovered that Mr Chikli had
left Israeli ground for Ukraine.
1089
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,880
[suspenseful music]
1090
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:32,960
[Gilbert Chikli] Lose? I don't lose.
1091
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,640
Nothing is easy, especially not escaping.
1092
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,080
Disappear? Why not?
1093
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:44,640
[soft music]
1094
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,240
[David Katz] There is a
city in Ukraine called Uman, that
1095
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,720
is very important for Jewish pilgrims
1096
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,760
who go there to pray on the
grave of Rebbe Nachman.
1097
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,640
[mid-tempo music]
1098
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:15,520
[Shirly Chikli] He wanted to go to Ukraine
to do a… How do you say? Pigrinage? Pigri?
1099
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:16,560
[Dominic] A pilgrimage.
1100
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:17,760
Yeah, that.
1101
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,760
He wanted to go to say
thank you. No, really.
1102
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,680
-[Dominic] It's not true. Is it?
-Yes. In Ukraine, in Uman.
1103
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,760
[Dominic]
He went there for a religious trip?
1104
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,480
Yes, he wanted to
go to Uman to see the rabbi.
1105
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:35,800
[mid-tempo music]
1106
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,440
[Shirly Chikli] He was always
there for his family.
1107
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,680
He spoiled the children.
1108
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,080
Gilbert was like a Robin Hood.
1109
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:50,400
[Dominic] Why?
1110
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,080
Because he always wanted to help the poor,
1111
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:58,640
but to help the poor,
he had to do something that isn't…
1112
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,280
following the rules.
1113
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,960
[suspenseful music]
1114
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:11,720
[Mickaël Mandine] In this case, the main
victims transferred 73 million euros.
1115
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:13,600
It was pretty incredible.
1116
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,480
We are informed
that Gilbert Chikli is in Ukraine.
1117
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:19,840
We need him extradited.
1118
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:21,720
[upbeat music]
1119
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,120
[Mickaël Mandine] We have to be very
quick, before he leaves a second time.
1120
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,840
[suspenseful music]
1121
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,880
[David Katz]In Ukraine, the
sand-clock started to tick
1122
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:38,560
because we had to speed up all the
proceedings in order to arrest him there.
1123
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:40,600
[radio squawks]
1124
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,520
[Mickaël Mandine]
An arrest warrant is issued.
1125
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:47,080
[voice on radio]
1126
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,760
[Mickaël Mandine]
The Ukrainian police follows every move.
1127
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,760
-[recorded voice] I copy your message.
-[Mickaël] They stay on him.
1128
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,840
[suspenseful music]
1129
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:56,400
[recorded voice, inaudible]
1130
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:57,840
[Mickaël Mandine] I copy your message
1131
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,080
[inaudible]
1132
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,080
[police] Police!
1133
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:06,360
Hands behind your back.
1134
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,240
His face. Hands behind your back.
1135
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:14,200
[Mickaël Mandine] When he gets arrested,
1136
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,960
the Ukrainian police took
three phones from him.
1137
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:21,440
Inside, all his WhatsApps,
all the photos, the videos,
1138
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:26,480
and we find something very precious for
us and the investigation.
1139
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,320
[mid-tempo music]
1140
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,000
[Mickaël Mandine] Despite the blurriness
and poor quality of the video,
1141
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,000
the figure really
looks like Jean-Yves Le Drian.
1142
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,720
[mid-tempo music]
1143
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,840
[Ludovic Elbaz] Of course, but how
many times do I have to ask you?
1144
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,040
Let him do what has to be done, and
let's get out of here already!
1145
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,200
[in Arabic] If he needs
something, tell him to call me. Okay. Bye.
1146
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:01,720
So, what do you want to know?
1147
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,040
LUDOVIC ELBAZ EXTRADITION LAWYER
1148
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:04,680
I've been a lawyer for ten years,
1149
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:06,760
I have an office in Paris and
an office in Israel.
1150
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:08,960
Hello?
1151
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,840
I just landed, I'm at Charles de
Gaulle airport, and I get a call.
1152
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,920
I am told Gilbert and his associate
have been arrested in Ukraine.
1153
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,320
Arrest warrant, extradition,
right now, they're in jail.
1154
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,320
I have to react super quickly,
get a plane to get back to Ukraine.
1155
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,760
When I got my permit to
go see them in jail,
1156
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:31,880
it was quite extraordinary.
1157
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,320
It's an insane context.
1158
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,840
The prison guards are members of the army,
1159
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,840
there are 50 prisoners per cell,
1160
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:44,040
there are two-meter tall prisoners covered
in tattoos with swastikas in the back.
1161
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:47,880
It's nothing like a French prison.
1162
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,200
[tense music]
1163
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:51,280
[phone rings]
1164
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:54,560
[Shirly Chikli]
I receive a call from Ukraine.
1165
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,320
And he tells me,
1166
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,600
"Shirly, Interpol have caught me."
1167
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:04,320
My heart sank.
1168
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,080
"I wasn't feeling well,
I cried, and I said,
1169
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,840
"What? I'm on my way."
1170
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,920
I waited for the morning,
I went to the courthouse,
1171
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,240
and I found Gilbert in a cage.
1172
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:25,600
He tells me,
"Shirly, sorry, Shirly, sorry."
1173
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,120
I say, "Don't worry, I'm with you."
1174
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:32,360
I grabbed his hand
and said, "I won't abandon you.
1175
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,920
I will be with you, I'm not leaving
Ukraine until you get out of here."
1176
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,080
And I did everything I could.
1177
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,720
Everything he wanted
brought inside, I brought it inside.
1178
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:44,880
I brought him a bed.
1179
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:49,040
So he could sleep well,
even vodka, alcohol, everything.
1180
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,080
[Gilbert Chikli]
Let's toast with the vodka Absolut.
1181
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,640
[indistinct chatter and background music]
1182
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:58,240
[accomplice x] Here in Kyiv, in prison.
1183
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:01,320
[Gilbert Chikli] Come on, you're ready?
1184
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:02,880
[accomplice x] To our release God willing.
1185
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:04,040
[Gilbert Chikli] To our release
and our millions.
1186
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:05,360
[accomplice x] Positive things.
1187
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:08,080
[Shirly Chikli] I brought him meat.
1188
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:10,920
[accomplice x] Here is our lunch.
1189
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:14,920
I even had a fridge delivered to him.
1190
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:17,640
[accomplice x] Here is the fridge.
1191
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,600
Here's your purchase of the day, Gilbert.
1192
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:25,160
[Gilbert Chikli] for today's purchase,
I have a fridge so we can have ribeye.
1193
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:26,080
[Gilbert Chikli] Fuck you to those
1194
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:27,720
who thought we were suffering.
1195
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,080
We are bosses and we'll keep
being bosses. Bam!
1196
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:32,200
[laughter]
1197
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,600
[Gilbert Chikli] Fuck the French
justice system. Fuck you, I'm not coming.
1198
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,920
And even if I come, fuck you anyway.
1199
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,200
[accomplice x]
Right, thank you, fuck you too.
1200
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,600
AFTER SPENDING THREE MONTHS IN A
UKRAINIAN PRISON
1201
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:48,840
CHIKLI IS EXTRADITED BACK TO FRANCE
1202
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,400
AGAIN
1203
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,080
[tense music]
1204
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:56,720
[Gilbert Chikli] Believe me,
1205
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:58,480
I could have done much more than this.
1206
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,480
I could have entered any system,
1207
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,920
I could have entered a political
system, whatever you want.
1208
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:06,400
I swear, this is true.
1209
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,040
[sad music]
1210
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,560
[Mickaël Mandine] It is certain that if
Chikli hadn't been arrested in Ukraine,
1211
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,440
we would have faced a new wave of scams.
1212
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:22,360
On the phone we seized,
he has masks of several political figures.
1213
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,400
[Gilbert Chikli] Can you
look at Macron please?
1214
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,960
But we mainly notice on his phone
1215
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:33,080
that he is trying to find a
mask of Albert of Monaco.
1216
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,600
[Gilbert Chikli] You put it down and
the plastic stays straight, alright?
1217
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,320
Without putting it on, you
see that it's the prince.
1218
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:45,160
[soft music]
1219
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,600
[Mickaël Mandine] I believe
a large scale scam was being put together.
1220
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,320
What we saw with Jean-Yves Le Drian,
1221
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,320
we would have seen it with
Albert of Monaco.
1222
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:04,160
How do I defend the fact that Gilbert had
the mask of Prince Albert on his phone?
1223
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,800
Maybe he has a particular
affection for Monaco.
1224
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:11,280
I don't know.
1225
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,720
[suspenseful music]
1226
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,440
[reporter] Another trial is starting
this afternoon,
1227
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,400
of a rather extraordinary scam.
1228
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:23,960
Listen to this, seven people are on
trial for having impersonated
1229
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:28,280
the Minister of Foreign
Affairs, Jean-Yves Le Drian.
1230
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,120
Was the office similar to yours?
1231
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,920
They were… talented, yes.
1232
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,440
And unfortunately
some people were victims.
1233
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,400
They imitated my
voice well but it can't be me,
1234
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:41,320
that's it. [chuckles]
1235
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:44,760
Well, it could be a fabulous movie script
1236
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,240
but the true story will
play out here this afternoon.
1237
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:52,240
[reporter] The alleged mastermind behind
these operations, Gilbert Chikli,
1238
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:55,000
King of Scams,
a 54-year-old Franco-Israeli.
1239
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:57,160
With just a phone,
1240
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,840
getting people to hand him
bags with thousands of euros.
1241
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:02,600
It is absolutely humiliating,
1242
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:06,400
and he created extremely severe
narcissistic wounds on his victims.
1243
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,320
[Delphine Meillet] I discover
Gilbert Chikli there in the dock,
1244
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,600
and I see he has a sort of fan club there.
1245
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,840
He has a sort of support
committee and they're so loud
1246
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,680
that the judge has to ask them to be
silent when he is being questioned.
1247
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:23,560
[suspenseful music]
1248
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:30,800
Gilbert Chikli has a mixture
of flamboyance and denial.
1249
01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:34,520
"Not at all, look at me,
I'm not the genius they say I am,
1250
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:36,800
you're giving me way too much credit.
1251
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:40,479
Look at me, I am tired,
I'm I sick, leave me alone."
1252
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,720
He was playing a role with the lawyers,
1253
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:48,120
playing a role with the judge,
with the prosecutor he knew so well.
1254
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:49,640
[mid-tempo music]
1255
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,399
[Gilbert Chikli] I like a challenge, I've
always liked a challenge.
1256
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,560
It's like a boxing match, you always want
to be the world champion.
1257
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:00,120
I don't lose.
1258
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:05,000
Either I win, or I learn.
1259
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,080
And when you have this ability,
you don't fear anything.
1260
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,319
[mid-tempo music]
1261
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:17,319
In fact, I think that
Gilbert Chikli is a police fantasy,
1262
01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:19,880
and that too much has been made of him.
1263
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,359
[Stéphane Sebag] During the trial,
we start analyzing the images.
1264
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:29,040
We see a man in make-up,
1265
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:30,319
STEPHANE SEBAG, CHIKLI'S LAWYER TWO
1266
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:33,160
apparently sitting at the desk
of a minister,
1267
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:37,880
and the court will ask itself the question
as to whether it is indeed Gilbert Chikli.
1268
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:41,080
[suspenseful music]
1269
01:09:42,399 --> 01:09:45,399
[Delphine Meillet] He claims the character
is much taller and bigger than him,
1270
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,200
so it can't possibly be him.
1271
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:52,760
[Stéphane Sebag] The forearms of the
person in makeup are hairless.
1272
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:58,600
Gilbert Chikli has hair all over his arms.
1273
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:03,360
He's going to say
"You can see my arms, it can't be me."
1274
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:07,560
[mid-tempo music]
1275
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:12,440
We make him listen to the
voices recorded by the victims.
1276
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:15,840
From then on, he won't say a single word.
1277
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:20,080
And on the third day of the hearing,
we hear the voice recordings.
1278
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,040
And I can tell you…
1279
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:25,800
There are powerful and important moments
in the hearing and this was one of them.
1280
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:28,000
[phone rings]
1281
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:29,160
[Aga Khan] Hello?
1282
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:34,160
[Gilbert] Yes, do you have an update?
It's in your interest, your Highness.
1283
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:35,240
[Aga Khan] Okay.
1284
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:37,200
[Ludovic Elbaz] It's 100% not Gilbert.
1285
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:38,920
[Gilbert Chikli]
So I'm calling you because
1286
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:40,880
we have to transfer you the funds…
1287
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:44,600
[Aga Khan] What time can you call me back?
1288
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:46,560
[Gilbert Chikli] In about
an hour if you'd like.
1289
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:47,680
[Aga Khan] Okay.
1290
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:49,720
[Dominic] Isn't this Gilbert Chikli?
1291
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,720
You can't believe
I'm going to answer your question.
1292
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:00,960
Seriously.
1293
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:08,720
[Gilbert Chikli]
If I call you back in an hour,
1294
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:12,240
give me the exact costs so I know
how much I need to transfer back to you.
1295
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:17,080
Ah, it's extraordinary,
because it's really his voice.
1296
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:19,800
There is no doubt. It's incredible,
1297
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,320
it's… it's him, without a doubt.
1298
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,520
-[Dominic] It's him?
-[Sophie Grenier] It's him.
1299
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,120
-[Dominic] Are you 100% sure?
-Oh yes, I'm sure.
1300
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:29,280
-[Dominic] No doubt?
-Absolutely no doubt.
1301
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:33,760
The voice that
we heard for two days, Chikli
1302
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:38,560
was exactly the same as
the one in the recordings.
1303
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:39,680
It was an exceptional moment.
1304
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,480
Everyone recognized the voice,
no ambiguity. At all.
1305
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,800
[mid-tempo music]
1306
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:48,080
Now justice.
1307
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:51,800
The fake Le Drian sentenced to
seven and eleven years in prison
1308
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:53,480
by the Paris Criminal Court.
1309
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:55,760
Gilbert Chikli, 54,
1310
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,360
guilty of assuming
the identity of Le Drian.
1311
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:05,200
BETWEEN 2005 AND 2017 GILBERT CHIKLI
SCAMMED OVER 100 MILLION EUROS
1312
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:11,080
HE WAS SENTENCED TO 11 YEARS IN
PRISON AND FINED TWO MILLION EUROS
1313
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:13,760
I felt awful.
1314
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,480
I looked at him with tears in my eyes.
1315
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:20,320
I was alone.
1316
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:24,840
I couldn't live like this,
without Gilbert.
1317
01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:31,640
I go outside to breathe a little,
and I see a journalist.
1318
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:34,920
He says to me, "Who are you?"
1319
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:38,080
I told him, "I am Gilbert Chikli's wife."
1320
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:41,320
And he laughs.
1321
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,800
I asked him, "Why are you laughing?"
1322
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,640
And he told me, "She is
Gilbert Chikli's wife."
1323
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:56,120
I didn't even ask who this woman was.
I didn't want to believe in anything.
1324
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,240
I said, "That's it, stop."
1325
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:05,160
[tense music]
1326
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:08,240
SINCE HIS ARREST IN UKRAINE,
1327
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,160
GILBERT CHIKLI HAS STARTED AN
ONLINE RELATIONSHIP WITH ANOTHER WOMAN
1328
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,840
[Shirly Chikli] For fifteen years,
I did everything for him.
1329
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,400
I waged war with everyone for him.
1330
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:22,720
After everything you give to someone,
1331
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,520
in the end, it's over in two seconds.
1332
01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:29,760
My children have suffered everything.
1333
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:33,720
Up till now, my little one, she cries.
1334
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,320
She cries at night,
she still wants her dad.
1335
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:38,840
She doesn't understand
why he is not there.
1336
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:43,120
It wasn't supposed to end like this.
1337
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,480
[sad music]
1338
01:13:53,880 --> 01:14:00,000
[Élise Le Guével] Gilbert Chikli is
colorful, funny, sarcastic, seductive.
1339
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:03,120
He pretends to be Arsène Lupin,
1340
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:04,480
a gentleman thief.
1341
01:14:05,480 --> 01:14:08,280
I steal from the rich, I am just clever.
1342
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,360
But in fact, he doesn't
steal from the rich.
1343
01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:15,520
He crushes conscientious
people who want to do good.
1344
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:20,200
He wants to be Robin Hood,
but he crushed people.
1345
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:23,120
[sad music]
1346
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:27,720
It was a massive blow that would
prevent me from holding a pencil
1347
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:29,880
for more than two years.
1348
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:34,560
My boss fired me, I became unemployed.
1349
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,320
[inhales]
1350
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:40,320
I started seeing a therapist.
1351
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:42,840
I was really at my lowest point.
1352
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,920
He's a guy that has no
morals, who destroys lives.
1353
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:56,480
The scammers contacted the
entire French administration.
1354
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:02,720
It's an extremely serious scam that could
have put French foreign policy at risk.
1355
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:08,040
We have to remember that at the time,
there really were French hostages
1356
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,320
who were really killed in 2015.
1357
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,240
This case could have been much worse.
1358
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:19,560
Chikli could have had blood
on his hands, we got very close.
1359
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,400
I feel it will never be over for him.
1360
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:26,920
He will die on stage.
1361
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,880
[somber music]
1362
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,960
[Gilbert Chikli] If I had to leave a
message for all who will listen to me,
1363
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:42,080
first of all, I would like to say sorry,
from the bottom of my heart.
1364
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,520
But I am Gilbert Chikli,
1365
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,320
and I will always be Gilbert Chikli,
1366
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:52,920
and I will leave as
Gilbert Chikli. That's all.
1367
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:59,840
[upbeat piano music]
1368
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,440
SHIRLY NUMBER TWO HAS FILED FOR DIVORCE
1369
01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:07,440
AND IS NOW TRAVELING THE WORLD AS A TOP DJ
1370
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:14,360
SHIRLEY NUMBER ONE HAS PUT HER
LIFE WITH GILBERT BEHIND HER
1371
01:16:14,440 --> 01:16:18,000
AND TAKES TIME FOR HERSELF
1372
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:24,480
SOPHIE CONTEMPLATED A
JOB IN THE SECRET SERVICE
1373
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:29,120
BUT HAS DECIDED TO KEEP WORKING AS A
CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER
1374
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:34,520
GUY-PETRUS STILL PLAYS HOST TO MANY
FAMOUS POLITICIANS AT THE CHATEAU GUADET
1375
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:40,920
BUT POLITELY DECLINED TO PAY ANY
MONEY TO THE FAKE MINISTER
1376
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,240
[bird chirps]
1377
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:48,280
[fast-paced music]
1378
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:12,520
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