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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,095 --> 00:00:15,098 [tense music] 2 00:00:15,098 --> 00:00:20,062 ♪ ♪ 3 00:00:20,062 --> 00:00:23,357 TINA: After he'd shot Beth Dodge, 4 00:00:23,357 --> 00:00:26,818 we were just driving towards Canada border. 5 00:00:26,818 --> 00:00:29,238 And Wilder became different. 6 00:00:30,864 --> 00:00:32,699 He put his arm on the middle console, said, 7 00:00:32,699 --> 00:00:34,534 you're gonna-- "I'm gonna take you to Boston 8 00:00:34,534 --> 00:00:37,329 and let you go." 9 00:00:37,329 --> 00:00:38,914 I didn't know why. 10 00:00:40,499 --> 00:00:42,709 And I just looked at him and I'm just--to myself, 11 00:00:42,709 --> 00:00:44,836 like, okay, I'm not gonna believe this 12 00:00:44,836 --> 00:00:47,172 because it could be a trick. 13 00:00:51,051 --> 00:00:53,845 - No, there was no feeling of anything. 14 00:00:53,845 --> 00:00:57,557 Everything was numb, stifled, and petrified. 15 00:00:57,557 --> 00:00:59,768 Any minute he could change his mind. 16 00:00:59,768 --> 00:01:06,817 ♪ ♪ 17 00:01:10,028 --> 00:01:12,322 The next thing I know, I'm at the airport. 18 00:01:19,788 --> 00:01:21,957 I don't even remember driving through Boston or anything. 19 00:01:21,957 --> 00:01:24,001 I don't--I only remember the airport. 20 00:01:26,336 --> 00:01:28,672 We walked up to the counter. 21 00:01:28,672 --> 00:01:31,383 Still not looking at anybody. 22 00:01:31,383 --> 00:01:34,261 Just keeping my focus on him. 23 00:01:34,261 --> 00:01:35,971 Give me your ID. 24 00:01:35,971 --> 00:01:38,307 You pay for the ticket. 25 00:01:38,307 --> 00:01:40,267 He's like, "Here's some money. 26 00:01:40,267 --> 00:01:41,727 "You're gonna need this. 27 00:01:41,727 --> 00:01:45,022 Take this $1,000 for whatever you need." 28 00:01:45,022 --> 00:01:47,274 And then he just said goodbye. 29 00:01:47,274 --> 00:01:49,568 That's it. Just bye. 30 00:01:49,568 --> 00:01:51,653 And he left and turned around and walked away. 31 00:01:57,701 --> 00:02:00,829 I was still afraid he's gonna come back and get me. 32 00:02:00,829 --> 00:02:03,749 Always looking over my shoulder like, where is he at? 33 00:02:06,835 --> 00:02:09,963 Being that I was still in the mindset of being controlled, 34 00:02:09,963 --> 00:02:11,757 I was lost. 35 00:02:11,757 --> 00:02:15,385 What'd I--what do I need to do? 36 00:02:15,385 --> 00:02:18,347 So I just sat there waiting, staring off to the darkness 37 00:02:18,347 --> 00:02:19,890 out the window. 38 00:02:19,890 --> 00:02:26,938 ♪ ♪ 39 00:02:30,233 --> 00:02:33,236 Not until I was in that plane that I know for sure 40 00:02:33,236 --> 00:02:35,697 that I was actually released from him. 41 00:02:43,538 --> 00:02:44,915 I've never been on an airplane, 42 00:02:44,915 --> 00:02:46,541 and what a first introduction 43 00:02:46,541 --> 00:02:49,044 to airlines and airplanes. 44 00:02:49,044 --> 00:02:52,506 I think we stopped in Chicago, went to, like, Texas, 45 00:02:52,506 --> 00:02:54,049 and then to LAX or something. 46 00:02:54,049 --> 00:02:55,592 You know, it was, like, a weird route. 47 00:02:57,135 --> 00:02:59,221 But I slept all the way home. 48 00:03:01,056 --> 00:03:02,724 And I still didn't know anything that's going on, 49 00:03:02,724 --> 00:03:04,684 like the major manhunt for me. 50 00:03:16,571 --> 00:03:18,615 - At the moment, the only new information we have 51 00:03:18,615 --> 00:03:21,576 is that the body found in Victor, New York, 52 00:03:21,576 --> 00:03:26,373 is not the body of our missing Tina Marie Risico. 53 00:03:26,373 --> 00:03:28,250 REPORTER 1: 33-year-old Beth Dodge 54 00:03:28,250 --> 00:03:30,293 of Upstate New York was shot in the back. 55 00:03:30,293 --> 00:03:32,671 REPORTER 2: Police in New York and surrounding states 56 00:03:32,671 --> 00:03:35,465 have now joined the search, but as one federal agent 57 00:03:35,465 --> 00:03:38,093 said today, Wilder moves very fast. 58 00:03:38,093 --> 00:03:39,845 If they don't get him tonight, 59 00:03:39,845 --> 00:03:41,304 he could be anywhere by morning. 60 00:03:49,020 --> 00:03:52,399 TINA: It's, like, 11:00 a.m. I think the plane landed. 61 00:03:52,399 --> 00:03:55,026 [suspenseful music] 62 00:03:55,026 --> 00:03:57,404 I was just glad to be home. 63 00:04:00,657 --> 00:04:03,410 It was warm and sunny in Southern California. 64 00:04:03,410 --> 00:04:06,663 It was April 13 on a Friday. 65 00:04:06,663 --> 00:04:09,207 I got into a cab, 66 00:04:09,207 --> 00:04:11,751 and, uh, the cabbie, he knew who I was. 67 00:04:11,751 --> 00:04:15,839 I didn't realize he did until I happened to lean forward 68 00:04:15,839 --> 00:04:18,133 and put my hands on the-- you know, the front seat, 69 00:04:18,133 --> 00:04:21,219 and I looked down next to him in the passenger seat, 70 00:04:21,219 --> 00:04:23,722 there my face was on the frigging 71 00:04:23,722 --> 00:04:26,391 front of the newspaper. 72 00:04:26,391 --> 00:04:28,810 And that was the first inclination that people 73 00:04:28,810 --> 00:04:31,396 were really looking for me. 74 00:04:31,396 --> 00:04:35,150 My emotion was, oh, boy, 75 00:04:35,150 --> 00:04:36,568 what's gonna happen to me now? 76 00:04:38,195 --> 00:04:40,030 But I had been in the same underwear, 77 00:04:40,030 --> 00:04:43,074 same bra, same clothes for the last amount of days. 78 00:04:43,074 --> 00:04:44,659 And that's all I was concentrating on, 79 00:04:44,659 --> 00:04:46,953 everything was stinky. 80 00:04:46,953 --> 00:04:48,163 And I said, well, you know what? 81 00:04:48,163 --> 00:04:49,664 Let's go down to Hermosa Beach. 82 00:04:49,664 --> 00:04:52,042 Can you take me to the lingerie store, The Tushery? 83 00:04:57,964 --> 00:05:01,301 No one was in the, uh, store at the time I was. 84 00:05:03,553 --> 00:05:06,389 The salespeople there, they were nice girls, 85 00:05:06,389 --> 00:05:08,433 but more infatuated knowing that they had some sort 86 00:05:08,433 --> 00:05:11,311 of true crime celebrity in their store. 87 00:05:21,571 --> 00:05:24,115 - What was it that led her to think it was Risico? 88 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,204 And he gave her money and put her on a plane. 89 00:05:29,204 --> 00:05:30,914 REPORTER: Really? 90 00:05:30,914 --> 00:05:32,791 - And, um, that she didn't wanna call her mother 91 00:05:32,791 --> 00:05:35,836 until she had time to think about it because she felt 92 00:05:35,836 --> 00:05:38,880 after that happened, it would be-- 93 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,465 her life wouldn't be her own. 94 00:05:40,465 --> 00:05:43,093 REPORTER: And this is what the--she told the clerk? 95 00:05:43,093 --> 00:05:44,302 - Both the clerks. 96 00:05:44,302 --> 00:05:45,720 REPORTER: And relate that story again. 97 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,305 What did she tell the clerk? 98 00:05:47,305 --> 00:05:49,224 - She said--okay, I guess they don't want me 99 00:05:49,224 --> 00:05:50,767 to make any statement. 100 00:05:50,767 --> 00:05:53,937 No statement? Okay. REPORTER: Thank you. 101 00:05:53,937 --> 00:05:56,398 BARRY: We heard that she had gone 102 00:05:56,398 --> 00:05:59,651 to that clothing store in Hermosa. 103 00:05:59,651 --> 00:06:05,657 We had 15 news stations out in front of the department 104 00:06:05,657 --> 00:06:08,118 waiting for her. 105 00:06:08,118 --> 00:06:10,912 Everybody was all excited, 106 00:06:10,912 --> 00:06:14,666 but we didn't know exactly where she was going. 107 00:06:14,666 --> 00:06:17,127 I thought she would go to her mother's house. 108 00:06:20,297 --> 00:06:23,091 TINA: So after shopping there, I did realize 109 00:06:23,091 --> 00:06:25,635 that if I did go home, I'm just gonna be bombarded 110 00:06:25,635 --> 00:06:28,471 by all these reporters. 111 00:06:28,471 --> 00:06:31,224 So I didn't go home. 112 00:06:31,224 --> 00:06:34,436 And I'm glad I didn't 'cause apparently there was paparazzi 113 00:06:34,436 --> 00:06:35,687 waiting for me to arrive. 114 00:06:38,273 --> 00:06:39,858 I avoided all that. 115 00:06:41,943 --> 00:06:43,486 I went up to my boyfriend Billy's 116 00:06:43,486 --> 00:06:45,238 'cause I'm like, that's it. I wanna see Billy. 117 00:06:45,238 --> 00:06:46,615 I missed him so bad. 118 00:06:49,075 --> 00:06:52,621 And he wasn't home when I got taken up there by the cabbie, 119 00:06:52,621 --> 00:06:55,165 but our friends, uh, Rick and Jerry were there. 120 00:06:57,834 --> 00:07:01,004 RICK: We're in the front yard washing our vehicles. 121 00:07:01,004 --> 00:07:06,176 And all of the sudden, a taxicab pulls up. 122 00:07:06,176 --> 00:07:07,802 She steps out of the cab, 123 00:07:07,802 --> 00:07:10,138 and Jerry and I are, like, we're dumbfounded. 124 00:07:10,138 --> 00:07:13,808 We absolutely didn't expect to see Tina come home. 125 00:07:13,808 --> 00:07:16,394 Didn't expect it. 126 00:07:16,394 --> 00:07:18,355 You know, we were--we were 127 00:07:18,355 --> 00:07:19,856 treating her with kid gloves, you know? 128 00:07:19,856 --> 00:07:22,817 We didn't--we didn't wanna shake her up at all. 129 00:07:22,817 --> 00:07:24,277 We just let her talk. 130 00:07:24,277 --> 00:07:28,073 And she was kind of just in a different, uh, space. 131 00:07:31,993 --> 00:07:33,787 TINA: At Billy's house, it was peaceful. 132 00:07:33,787 --> 00:07:35,580 I was able to take a shower, change my clothes. 133 00:07:38,083 --> 00:07:40,877 And then they said, we should take you to the police station. 134 00:07:40,877 --> 00:07:42,754 - She kind of just resigned herself. 135 00:07:42,754 --> 00:07:46,883 Said, "Yeah, I guess we do have to go," you know? 136 00:07:46,883 --> 00:07:48,468 Well, she knew it was inevitable. 137 00:07:50,804 --> 00:07:53,431 DIANE: Billy had contacted me, and I can't remember 138 00:07:53,431 --> 00:07:56,893 whether it was the day before or that morning. 139 00:07:56,893 --> 00:08:01,606 And he asked if I could go to Torrance Police Department 140 00:08:01,606 --> 00:08:04,693 with him as kind of moral support, right? 141 00:08:04,693 --> 00:08:06,820 To be interviewed by detectives. 142 00:08:09,614 --> 00:08:12,117 I was just sitting there waiting for him. 143 00:08:12,117 --> 00:08:17,872 And I remember Ricky McCarter walking in with Tina. 144 00:08:17,872 --> 00:08:22,419 And it was just-- 145 00:08:25,130 --> 00:08:27,340 There are no words to describe it. 146 00:08:27,340 --> 00:08:31,928 I didn't say anything to her because she was obviously 147 00:08:31,928 --> 00:08:35,515 whisked away immediately. 148 00:08:37,267 --> 00:08:38,560 TINA: At the police station 149 00:08:38,560 --> 00:08:41,646 with all the FBI and police people, 150 00:08:41,646 --> 00:08:43,606 it was, like, 3:00 our time, maybe? 151 00:08:45,692 --> 00:08:47,318 Someone comes rushing in the room. 152 00:08:47,318 --> 00:08:48,778 We just got word, you know, like, 153 00:08:48,778 --> 00:08:50,030 talking amongst ourselves, 154 00:08:50,030 --> 00:08:51,948 you know the cops, how they say. 155 00:08:51,948 --> 00:08:53,908 And then they look to me and told me what happened. 156 00:08:53,908 --> 00:09:00,915 ♪ ♪ 157 00:09:03,501 --> 00:09:04,961 DUNCAN: Christopher Wilder is 158 00:09:04,961 --> 00:09:08,089 in Beth Dodge's Pontiac Firebird. 159 00:09:08,089 --> 00:09:10,383 And he is heading for the Canadian border 160 00:09:10,383 --> 00:09:13,803 about 10 or 12 miles north, the little town of Colebrook. 161 00:09:15,430 --> 00:09:20,101 Where he goes into the Getty service station. 162 00:09:20,101 --> 00:09:22,604 And then two troopers are driving back 163 00:09:22,604 --> 00:09:25,064 from having lunch, I think. 164 00:09:25,064 --> 00:09:27,609 Wilder looks at them passing, two cops, 165 00:09:27,609 --> 00:09:29,652 and it's that remarkable moment where they say, 166 00:09:29,652 --> 00:09:32,989 you know, this is the guy that everyone's looking for. 167 00:09:32,989 --> 00:09:35,200 The cops wheel into the service station. 168 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,244 One gets out first while his mate is covering him. 169 00:09:38,244 --> 00:09:40,163 Goes to the car. 170 00:09:40,163 --> 00:09:42,791 He and Wilder start fighting. 171 00:09:42,791 --> 00:09:44,250 Then a gun goes off. 172 00:09:44,250 --> 00:09:47,045 [gunshot] [sirens wailing] 173 00:09:49,672 --> 00:09:52,383 [suspenseful music] 174 00:09:52,383 --> 00:09:54,302 REPORTER: What was the scene like when you arrived? 175 00:09:54,302 --> 00:09:56,596 - There was an unidentified subject 176 00:09:56,596 --> 00:10:00,725 in a--in a gold-colored Camaro, uh, slumped over the seat, 177 00:10:00,725 --> 00:10:02,644 and Trooper Jellison was sitting in his seat. 178 00:10:02,644 --> 00:10:05,563 - It was something very unusual for a small town 179 00:10:05,563 --> 00:10:07,816 like Colebrook, something like this to happen. 180 00:10:10,443 --> 00:10:12,070 PETER JENNINGS: A nationwide manhunt is over. 181 00:10:12,070 --> 00:10:14,948 Christopher Wilder, who has been on the FBI's wanted list 182 00:10:14,948 --> 00:10:16,991 for more than a week, shot and killed himself 183 00:10:16,991 --> 00:10:18,451 in Colebrook, New Hampshire, 184 00:10:18,451 --> 00:10:20,829 just 5 miles from the Canadian border. 185 00:10:20,829 --> 00:10:23,498 REPORTER: Spotted by state troopers, Wilder shot himself, 186 00:10:23,498 --> 00:10:25,041 but the bullet passed through his body 187 00:10:25,041 --> 00:10:26,584 and wounded a police officer. 188 00:10:26,584 --> 00:10:30,004 Wilder then fired again, this time killing himself. 189 00:10:30,004 --> 00:10:36,803 ♪ ♪ 190 00:10:41,558 --> 00:10:42,976 - Relief. 191 00:10:42,976 --> 00:10:44,686 What went through my mind was relief. 192 00:10:44,686 --> 00:10:45,687 Yeah, relief. 193 00:10:47,438 --> 00:10:49,399 I can't live my life by what-ifs, 194 00:10:49,399 --> 00:10:50,984 but what if he was still alive today? 195 00:10:50,984 --> 00:10:53,444 I wouldn't be sitting in this chair today. 196 00:10:59,284 --> 00:11:00,702 DAWN: I learned in the hospital-- 197 00:11:00,702 --> 00:11:02,287 I was still in the hospital. 198 00:11:02,287 --> 00:11:05,748 I was sleeping, and I woke up with, you know, 199 00:11:05,748 --> 00:11:08,042 a t--a terror, right? 200 00:11:08,042 --> 00:11:10,545 And, um, I remember they're like, 201 00:11:10,545 --> 00:11:13,089 it's okay, it's okay, he's-- you know, he died. 202 00:11:13,089 --> 00:11:15,967 And I'm like, you know, no he-- you know, did he really? 203 00:11:15,967 --> 00:11:18,052 Is it true? 204 00:11:18,052 --> 00:11:21,556 - Christopher Wilder's awful odyssey appears to be over 205 00:11:21,556 --> 00:11:23,057 and remains unexplained. 206 00:11:23,057 --> 00:11:25,435 - So there was, like, this immediate relief of, 207 00:11:25,435 --> 00:11:26,769 okay, you really are safe. 208 00:11:26,769 --> 00:11:29,647 - Wilder had a long history of sex crimes 209 00:11:29,647 --> 00:11:31,482 in Florida and Australia. 210 00:11:31,482 --> 00:11:34,194 DAWN: I was super, super relieved, too, 211 00:11:34,194 --> 00:11:37,447 that he couldn't hurt anybody else. 212 00:11:37,447 --> 00:11:40,074 And even as young as I was, I was glad 213 00:11:40,074 --> 00:11:43,328 that I would not ever have to face him again, like, in court. 214 00:11:43,328 --> 00:11:47,498 - We are gratified that the killings will stop. 215 00:11:47,498 --> 00:11:52,462 However, our investigations to locate the missing women 216 00:11:52,462 --> 00:11:54,380 will continue. 217 00:11:54,380 --> 00:11:58,551 TIM: The phone rang, and he said, "This is the FBI. 218 00:11:58,551 --> 00:12:01,471 Is Mr. Kenyon there, right?" 219 00:12:01,471 --> 00:12:04,724 And I was like, yeah, hold on. 220 00:12:04,724 --> 00:12:08,311 So I hand him the phone. 221 00:12:08,311 --> 00:12:10,813 And I remember that feeling, that I remember the shriek 222 00:12:10,813 --> 00:12:14,651 my mom let out when it-- 223 00:12:14,651 --> 00:12:17,278 and my dad, you know, he told her. 224 00:12:20,531 --> 00:12:24,494 BILL: With him dying, I think my parents 225 00:12:24,494 --> 00:12:26,579 felt as though that was-- 226 00:12:26,579 --> 00:12:28,998 that was the only person 227 00:12:28,998 --> 00:12:32,627 that was going to let them know where Beth was. 228 00:12:32,627 --> 00:12:34,629 REPORTER: But local police aren't giving up. 229 00:12:34,629 --> 00:12:36,839 Miami detectives hope to find out information 230 00:12:36,839 --> 00:12:39,092 from 16-year-old Tina Marie Risico. 231 00:12:39,092 --> 00:12:41,886 Risico spent more than a week traveling with Wilder. 232 00:12:41,886 --> 00:12:45,056 - I don't know that she's going to be able to tell us anything, 233 00:12:45,056 --> 00:12:46,933 but I wouldn't rest comfortably 234 00:12:46,933 --> 00:12:49,477 till I had had the chance to speak with her. 235 00:12:55,483 --> 00:12:59,946 - I think it was around the same time, um, 236 00:12:59,946 --> 00:13:04,367 of learning about him, you know, being dead. 237 00:13:04,367 --> 00:13:09,080 It kind of, um, solidified the feelings that there was-- 238 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:10,999 and I don't wanna use this in her detriment, 239 00:13:10,999 --> 00:13:12,875 but a relationship, but I was glad 240 00:13:12,875 --> 00:13:14,836 that she was also a survivor. 241 00:13:14,836 --> 00:13:16,796 - Only hours after Wilder died, 242 00:13:16,796 --> 00:13:18,840 a suspected accomplice turned up. 243 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,259 A teenaged woman walking into police headquarters 244 00:13:21,259 --> 00:13:22,885 in Torrance, California. 245 00:13:22,885 --> 00:13:24,721 She had been seen with Wilder recently in New York. 246 00:13:26,973 --> 00:13:29,017 BARRY: There were other jurisdictions involved 247 00:13:29,017 --> 00:13:32,395 where Dawn was from and Beth Dodge was from. 248 00:13:32,395 --> 00:13:36,441 And they insisted that Tina was involved 249 00:13:36,441 --> 00:13:42,447 with Wilder and an accomplice, so they were after her. 250 00:13:44,032 --> 00:13:45,950 TINA: There was mostly men, all in suits 251 00:13:45,950 --> 00:13:48,494 with their badges on their h-- uh, belts. 252 00:13:50,997 --> 00:13:54,375 They started immediately interrogating me. 253 00:13:54,375 --> 00:13:56,335 And without a lawyer present. 254 00:13:56,335 --> 00:13:58,046 Okay, so it goes as follows. 255 00:13:58,046 --> 00:14:00,548 "Tina Marie Risico, aged 16, was interviewed 256 00:14:00,548 --> 00:14:02,091 "to determine the circumstances 257 00:14:02,091 --> 00:14:04,844 "of her abduction by and travel with 258 00:14:04,844 --> 00:14:07,346 "Christopher Bernard Wilder. 259 00:14:07,346 --> 00:14:10,433 "Efforts were, therefore, centered on obtaining 260 00:14:10,433 --> 00:14:13,686 "knowledge and degree of participation in the kidnapping 261 00:14:13,686 --> 00:14:17,065 of Dawn and Beth Dodge." 262 00:14:20,735 --> 00:14:23,154 I really don't wanna read that out loud. 263 00:14:26,407 --> 00:14:28,993 TINA: Talking with them, uh, the FBI, being interrogated, 264 00:14:28,993 --> 00:14:30,953 it was really invasive. 265 00:14:30,953 --> 00:14:35,166 Being that I was still in this fog, I wasn't in reality yet. 266 00:14:35,166 --> 00:14:37,335 It was hard for me to open up about everything 267 00:14:37,335 --> 00:14:39,087 and give every little detail. 268 00:14:39,087 --> 00:14:40,755 "Due to Risico's actions towards Wilder, 269 00:14:40,755 --> 00:14:42,715 "he began to trust her, 270 00:14:42,715 --> 00:14:44,467 "that she would not attempt to escape 271 00:14:44,467 --> 00:14:48,721 because of the punishments that he was giving her." 272 00:14:48,721 --> 00:14:50,264 Yeah. 273 00:14:50,264 --> 00:14:52,809 "Risico noted that as she wanted to escape from him, 274 00:14:52,809 --> 00:14:54,936 "she purposely tried to get him to believe 275 00:14:54,936 --> 00:14:58,106 he could trust her," which I did. 276 00:14:58,106 --> 00:15:01,484 Every little word that was what I said to the women, 277 00:15:01,484 --> 00:15:04,028 why did I--you know, why didn't I go away? 278 00:15:04,028 --> 00:15:05,488 Why didn't I run away in the car? 279 00:15:05,488 --> 00:15:07,031 Why didn't I drive away? Why didn't I do this? 280 00:15:07,031 --> 00:15:08,407 I'm like, why would you? 281 00:15:08,407 --> 00:15:10,159 What would you do, you know? 282 00:15:10,159 --> 00:15:11,369 What would you do? 283 00:15:11,369 --> 00:15:12,787 This is what I did. 284 00:15:12,787 --> 00:15:14,914 And here I am today to tell you about it. 285 00:15:14,914 --> 00:15:16,415 I did something right, I think. 286 00:15:16,415 --> 00:15:19,001 So you tell me, what would you do? 287 00:15:19,001 --> 00:15:20,628 Okay, I'm not gonna talk about that. 288 00:15:27,844 --> 00:15:30,263 - I know, but whatever I've said about her before 289 00:15:30,263 --> 00:15:32,140 and when I said I was sorry, that's all you guys 290 00:15:32,140 --> 00:15:34,016 are gonna get from-- I'm not gonna reread this. 291 00:15:45,945 --> 00:15:48,156 Yeah, it's pretty accurate. 292 00:15:48,156 --> 00:15:55,163 ♪ ♪ 293 00:15:56,372 --> 00:15:59,667 - During our experience, it wasn't a shared experience. 294 00:15:59,667 --> 00:16:02,378 Like, she very much was with him 295 00:16:02,378 --> 00:16:05,673 and I very much was the victim. 296 00:16:05,673 --> 00:16:08,634 And I know things now, that I know that, 297 00:16:08,634 --> 00:16:11,429 you know, she was there involuntarily, 298 00:16:11,429 --> 00:16:13,181 she was a victim. 299 00:16:13,181 --> 00:16:17,143 But during that experience, it was not at all clear to me. 300 00:16:17,143 --> 00:16:19,061 - I'm agitated. 301 00:16:22,106 --> 00:16:24,358 This is opening up so much for me. 302 00:16:27,486 --> 00:16:30,031 It's just like, I was really, uh, sick and tired 303 00:16:30,031 --> 00:16:32,658 of being asked so many questions over and over again 304 00:16:32,658 --> 00:16:34,994 and wondering what the hell is going on, 305 00:16:34,994 --> 00:16:36,871 realizing, am I in trouble? 306 00:16:36,871 --> 00:16:40,291 You know, it sure felt like it, you know? 307 00:16:42,418 --> 00:16:44,921 And that's when my father came in the view. 308 00:16:44,921 --> 00:16:46,172 REPORTER: How did you find out? 309 00:16:46,172 --> 00:16:48,507 - I--over the news media. 310 00:16:48,507 --> 00:16:49,550 REPORTER: Have you had a chance 311 00:16:49,550 --> 00:16:51,302 to talk with her at all? - No, no. 312 00:16:51,302 --> 00:16:52,553 REPORTER: What's the first thing you're gonna do 313 00:16:52,553 --> 00:16:53,554 when you see that daughter of yours? 314 00:16:53,554 --> 00:16:54,764 - What do you think? 315 00:16:54,764 --> 00:16:56,390 I'm gonna grab her and hug her and kiss her. 316 00:16:56,390 --> 00:16:58,434 Well, I gotta get going. Thank you, guys, okay? 317 00:16:58,434 --> 00:16:59,435 All right. 318 00:17:03,981 --> 00:17:05,524 TINA: My father was never in my life, 319 00:17:05,524 --> 00:17:07,026 and now all of a sudden he's there 320 00:17:07,026 --> 00:17:08,778 with the top criminal lawyer at the time 321 00:17:08,778 --> 00:17:10,780 in the state of California. 322 00:17:10,780 --> 00:17:13,324 A criminal lawyer. 323 00:17:13,324 --> 00:17:15,117 Am I being charged for something? 324 00:17:19,372 --> 00:17:22,375 [eerie music] 325 00:17:22,375 --> 00:17:24,669 ♪ ♪ 326 00:17:24,669 --> 00:17:27,338 DUNCAN: It's difficult to come to grips with, 327 00:17:27,338 --> 00:17:29,340 the fact that Tina played an active role 328 00:17:29,340 --> 00:17:32,051 in luring Dawn to the car. 329 00:17:32,051 --> 00:17:35,096 She sees Beth Dodge being executed. 330 00:17:36,514 --> 00:17:39,725 She's dropped off by Wilder at Logan Airport. 331 00:17:39,725 --> 00:17:42,853 And she sits there and doesn't call the police? 332 00:17:45,481 --> 00:17:47,984 Flies back to California. 333 00:17:47,984 --> 00:17:49,652 Heads off to do some shopping. 334 00:17:51,946 --> 00:17:54,073 It's very strange behavior. 335 00:17:54,073 --> 00:18:01,080 ♪ ♪ 336 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:02,582 - Let me ask you a question first. 337 00:18:02,582 --> 00:18:04,584 Are we not live? 338 00:18:04,584 --> 00:18:07,253 Is anybody live? 339 00:18:07,253 --> 00:18:08,588 Nobody? Great. 340 00:18:08,588 --> 00:18:11,590 BARRY: Captain Popp was my captain at the time, 341 00:18:11,590 --> 00:18:15,928 and he was really in charge of the investigation. 342 00:18:15,928 --> 00:18:18,014 - Well, why don't we start, then? 343 00:18:18,014 --> 00:18:21,934 - He was very adamant that she was a victim, not a suspect. 344 00:18:21,934 --> 00:18:24,520 And contacted the news. 345 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,772 - It is the opinion of Torrance investigators 346 00:18:26,772 --> 00:18:29,108 that Tina Marie Risico has been a victim 347 00:18:29,108 --> 00:18:31,235 throughout the nine days of terror that ended 348 00:18:31,235 --> 00:18:32,862 with her safe return to Torrance. 349 00:18:32,862 --> 00:18:35,072 TINA: I was a child, 16 years old. 350 00:18:35,072 --> 00:18:36,741 Captain Popp and Barry Walsh, 351 00:18:36,741 --> 00:18:38,951 they were the most caring for me. 352 00:18:38,951 --> 00:18:40,578 And all the way through it. 353 00:18:40,578 --> 00:18:43,789 I remember, I was most securely safe with those two. 354 00:19:01,140 --> 00:19:04,393 - Uh, it's easy to sit back and second-guess 355 00:19:04,393 --> 00:19:06,479 when you haven't gone through the ordeal. 356 00:19:06,479 --> 00:19:08,439 Secondly, the terms that you've used 357 00:19:08,439 --> 00:19:11,192 are very, very critical, and the term "luring" 358 00:19:11,192 --> 00:19:13,235 in our investigation, was not used. 359 00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:19,575 - No. Let me put it this way. 360 00:19:19,575 --> 00:19:21,869 She was very quick to realize that if she did not comply 361 00:19:21,869 --> 00:19:24,497 with his wishes, she would, number one, be tortured; 362 00:19:24,497 --> 00:19:25,831 number two, probably be killed. 363 00:19:33,172 --> 00:19:35,800 - Someone asked me yesterday, what's the normal response? 364 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,886 My answer to that is, I know of no normal response. 365 00:19:38,886 --> 00:19:41,514 DIANE: There's all these expectations 366 00:19:41,514 --> 00:19:45,976 on what Tina should have done 367 00:19:45,976 --> 00:19:50,022 without understanding who Tina was as a person. 368 00:19:50,022 --> 00:19:54,360 She had a really dysfunctional childhood. 369 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:56,779 When you have dysfunctional childhoods, 370 00:19:56,779 --> 00:19:59,615 you become old and wise beyond your years 371 00:19:59,615 --> 00:20:01,617 as a survival mechanism. 372 00:20:05,621 --> 00:20:09,417 [melancholy music] 373 00:20:09,417 --> 00:20:15,923 ♪ ♪ 374 00:20:15,923 --> 00:20:17,508 TINA: When I was a little girl, 375 00:20:17,508 --> 00:20:19,760 I just observed and learned 376 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,596 what I was being shown at such a young age, 377 00:20:22,596 --> 00:20:26,267 be it drugs, uh, sex, or being abused. 378 00:20:29,395 --> 00:20:33,023 I was exposed to, uh, my mother, uh, 379 00:20:33,023 --> 00:20:36,110 overdosing on heroin twice. 380 00:20:39,321 --> 00:20:41,407 The first time, I remember, uh-- 381 00:20:41,407 --> 00:20:45,828 I think I was four or three. 382 00:20:45,828 --> 00:20:49,081 She--I-- 383 00:20:49,081 --> 00:20:50,791 I remember trying to wake her up, 384 00:20:50,791 --> 00:20:52,376 and she was foaming at the mouth 385 00:20:52,376 --> 00:20:54,295 and shaking and everything 'cause she was ODing. 386 00:20:54,295 --> 00:20:57,506 Uh, somehow I knew how to call on the phone 387 00:20:57,506 --> 00:21:00,176 to my aunt, my mom's sister. 388 00:21:00,176 --> 00:21:04,263 Yeah, so surviving with my mom was tough. 389 00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:10,144 I was exposed to so much at a young age. 390 00:21:10,144 --> 00:21:11,687 So many sick men. 391 00:21:14,482 --> 00:21:16,567 I had a few family members that had 392 00:21:16,567 --> 00:21:19,028 sexually abused me continually 393 00:21:19,028 --> 00:21:20,988 till about I was seven years old. 394 00:21:20,988 --> 00:21:24,325 From about three to seven. 395 00:21:24,325 --> 00:21:28,204 I have lived so much already by the time I was 16. 396 00:21:28,204 --> 00:21:32,625 It just came natural for me to absorb this, uh, 397 00:21:32,625 --> 00:21:35,503 brutality of being controlled. 398 00:21:35,503 --> 00:21:37,838 JIM: With me, I have Roland Summit, 399 00:21:37,838 --> 00:21:40,007 who's a community psychiatrist 400 00:21:40,007 --> 00:21:44,845 at Harbor UCLA Medical Center in Torrance. 401 00:21:44,845 --> 00:21:45,846 Thank you. 402 00:21:53,812 --> 00:21:55,898 - I think we can say more about Wilder 403 00:21:55,898 --> 00:21:57,566 from what we can see about Wilder 404 00:21:57,566 --> 00:22:00,319 than anything he told her. 405 00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:05,366 I'm assuming that Wilder's excitement, 406 00:22:05,366 --> 00:22:08,828 his rage against women 407 00:22:08,828 --> 00:22:13,249 was stimulated by a woman 408 00:22:13,249 --> 00:22:19,797 pleading for her life, a young woman totally unhinged. 409 00:22:19,797 --> 00:22:25,719 Along came Tina, who had dealt with victimization 410 00:22:25,719 --> 00:22:27,930 from her early childhood, 411 00:22:27,930 --> 00:22:31,809 learning to cope and how to survive it. 412 00:22:33,185 --> 00:22:36,856 I could imagine that she was different from all the others 413 00:22:36,856 --> 00:22:40,609 from the beginning by not acting 414 00:22:40,609 --> 00:22:43,028 as if she hoped to live, 415 00:22:43,028 --> 00:22:46,407 not asking, but finding ways 416 00:22:46,407 --> 00:22:50,786 to be totally compliant on the surface, 417 00:22:50,786 --> 00:22:53,998 but to be calculating underneath. 418 00:22:55,749 --> 00:22:57,501 TINA: Why did I survive and they didn't? 419 00:22:57,501 --> 00:23:00,421 I don't know. That's everyone's question. 420 00:23:00,421 --> 00:23:02,256 I never screamed. 421 00:23:02,256 --> 00:23:04,675 I never retaliated. 422 00:23:04,675 --> 00:23:08,888 I succumbed and, you know, was vulnerable to him. 423 00:23:08,888 --> 00:23:12,266 I don't like playing games, but it was a game. 424 00:23:12,266 --> 00:23:15,019 I'm gonna survive in playing this game. 425 00:23:15,019 --> 00:23:16,854 [suspenseful music] 426 00:23:16,854 --> 00:23:21,817 ROLAND: She, the captive, captivated the captor, 427 00:23:21,817 --> 00:23:28,574 and captivated Wilder into seeing her differently. 428 00:23:28,574 --> 00:23:34,079 Seeing her as somebody who had a life that ought to be saved. 429 00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:36,665 He began to develop a respect for the young woman, 430 00:23:36,665 --> 00:23:39,168 which was not consistent with his need. 431 00:23:39,168 --> 00:23:42,922 Jim Popp and I, we wanted to keep this girl 432 00:23:42,922 --> 00:23:48,552 who had suddenly appeared out of unimaginable chaos 433 00:23:48,552 --> 00:23:52,973 free from further damaging encounters 434 00:23:52,973 --> 00:23:54,767 with a critical world. 435 00:23:54,767 --> 00:23:59,938 ♪ ♪ 436 00:23:59,938 --> 00:24:02,483 - April 19, 1984. 437 00:24:02,483 --> 00:24:06,028 "A psychiatrist who interviewed Tina Marie Risico last week 438 00:24:06,028 --> 00:24:10,366 "warned Wednesday that should the 16-year-old Torrance girl 439 00:24:10,366 --> 00:24:13,035 "choose or be pushed into the bright light 440 00:24:13,035 --> 00:24:16,288 or public scrutiny, it may destroy her." 441 00:24:16,288 --> 00:24:17,956 [laughs] 442 00:24:20,376 --> 00:24:22,211 "Tina Marie Risico may have suffered 443 00:24:22,211 --> 00:24:24,672 Stockholm syndrome, which makes hostages 444 00:24:24,672 --> 00:24:26,674 identify with their captors." 445 00:24:26,674 --> 00:24:30,928 No, I did not care for him in any way, shape, or form. 446 00:24:30,928 --> 00:24:33,055 People magazine. 447 00:24:33,055 --> 00:24:35,641 Two weeks after I came back that they created this article. 448 00:24:37,726 --> 00:24:40,312 People wanted to know me just to hear what I had to say, 449 00:24:40,312 --> 00:24:42,815 ask me all kind of crazy questions like, 450 00:24:42,815 --> 00:24:44,233 how come you're not dead? 451 00:24:45,859 --> 00:24:48,153 Okay, "What led Tina Marie on a trek?" 452 00:24:48,153 --> 00:24:51,615 What kind of statement is that? 453 00:24:51,615 --> 00:24:55,035 Trek, brainwashed, and accomplice. 454 00:24:55,035 --> 00:24:57,913 Yeah, see, I didn't--that's why I don't wanna see those. 455 00:24:59,707 --> 00:25:01,417 - I'm getting upset... [laughs] 456 00:25:01,417 --> 00:25:03,210 'cause it's just constant. 457 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,925 All of this? I was a child. 458 00:25:09,925 --> 00:25:14,596 I was a minor, and for the media to exploit me, my name? 459 00:25:14,596 --> 00:25:17,057 They handled it all wrong from the get-go. 460 00:25:17,057 --> 00:25:18,267 That's why I didn't live at home. 461 00:25:18,267 --> 00:25:19,768 I moved in with Billy. 462 00:25:23,147 --> 00:25:24,857 My home, Grandma's home, 463 00:25:24,857 --> 00:25:27,443 was just always swarmed with media. 464 00:25:35,367 --> 00:25:38,203 I was looking for Tina Marie-- - She's not here. 465 00:25:38,203 --> 00:25:39,413 REPORTER: You're her mother, aren't you? 466 00:25:39,413 --> 00:25:40,622 - Yeah. 467 00:25:40,622 --> 00:25:41,874 REPORTER: I was wondering if you might be able 468 00:25:41,874 --> 00:25:43,083 to talk at all for a couple minutes? 469 00:25:43,083 --> 00:25:44,376 I know it's a very difficult time for you-- 470 00:25:44,376 --> 00:25:45,919 a happy time now. 471 00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:47,880 But, uh, everybody's sort of been following the case 472 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,549 and are anxious to hear how she was so fortunate 473 00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:52,760 as to come through this ordeal. 474 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,679 - I guess when she's ready, she's gonna let you all know. 475 00:25:55,679 --> 00:25:58,098 She usually does things in a big way like that, 476 00:25:58,098 --> 00:26:00,684 so when she's ready, it'll be shown. 477 00:26:00,684 --> 00:26:02,227 REPORTER: Can you just tell me how she's doing? 478 00:26:02,227 --> 00:26:03,687 I mean, is she-- - She's beautiful. 479 00:26:03,687 --> 00:26:05,230 She's great. She's fantastic. 480 00:26:05,230 --> 00:26:06,732 She's doing just fine. 481 00:26:06,732 --> 00:26:09,359 She's in heaven right now having a good time. 482 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:10,861 She's partying. 483 00:26:10,861 --> 00:26:13,197 REPORTER: Well, good for her. - Yeah, she's partying. 484 00:26:13,197 --> 00:26:14,990 REPORTER: Okay. Thank you very much. 485 00:26:14,990 --> 00:26:16,700 - All right. Bye-bye. REPORTER: Bye-bye. 486 00:26:21,163 --> 00:26:24,249 TINA: When I got back home, I was worried about my mom, 487 00:26:24,249 --> 00:26:28,504 uh, beating my ass for being gone all this time. 488 00:26:28,504 --> 00:26:29,922 But that didn't happen. 489 00:26:29,922 --> 00:26:32,382 She gave me hugs and kisses, 490 00:26:32,382 --> 00:26:34,593 but right back to our disagreements. 491 00:26:34,593 --> 00:26:38,138 My mom and I didn't get along all through my teen years. 492 00:26:42,184 --> 00:26:44,019 - No, never talked about it with them. 493 00:26:44,019 --> 00:26:47,356 At all. None of my family members. 494 00:26:47,356 --> 00:26:48,440 Just didn't. 495 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,484 It wasn't there. 496 00:26:50,484 --> 00:26:53,028 And that's how I liked it. 497 00:26:53,028 --> 00:26:55,906 After coming home, I became very closed off. 498 00:26:55,906 --> 00:27:00,285 It's a protective shield so people couldn't get close to me 499 00:27:00,285 --> 00:27:02,037 'cause everybody wanted a piece of me, 500 00:27:02,037 --> 00:27:03,622 all the media wanted a piece of me. 501 00:27:03,622 --> 00:27:06,875 Wasn't into exposing myself. 502 00:27:08,085 --> 00:27:11,672 PAUL: She was understandably distant from everybody. 503 00:27:11,672 --> 00:27:13,674 I think anyone that went through something like that 504 00:27:13,674 --> 00:27:14,967 would be closed off. 505 00:27:16,593 --> 00:27:18,720 TINA: People would be afraid around me 506 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,430 with just how to act, how to talk. 507 00:27:20,430 --> 00:27:24,560 Constant, uh, tippy-toeing around me. 508 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,230 PAUL: She just was very defensive about, you know, 509 00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:31,316 who she was and what she was gonna reveal to people. 510 00:27:31,316 --> 00:27:33,527 I could just tell, she's-- she's been through too much 511 00:27:33,527 --> 00:27:37,823 and she's not gonna talk about anything right now. 512 00:27:37,823 --> 00:27:42,369 - I, unfortunately, um, was one of the people who 513 00:27:42,369 --> 00:27:44,288 judged her when she got back. 514 00:27:46,331 --> 00:27:49,710 I just remember just kind of looking at her and, you know, 515 00:27:49,710 --> 00:27:51,920 having some empathy for what she went through, 516 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,423 but also having so many questions. 517 00:27:54,423 --> 00:27:57,634 I said, you seem like you're okay. 518 00:27:57,634 --> 00:28:02,055 She got, like, obviously upset. 519 00:28:02,055 --> 00:28:04,600 She was screaming. She goes, "I was tied down, 520 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,145 I was electrocuted, I was raped!" 521 00:28:10,689 --> 00:28:11,899 She said that. 522 00:28:13,859 --> 00:28:16,820 And I wish I can go back to that day 523 00:28:16,820 --> 00:28:19,448 and just hug her and say, you know, 524 00:28:19,448 --> 00:28:21,533 "Thank God you're back," you know? 525 00:28:21,533 --> 00:28:23,869 And "You got friends in us, and if you need anything, 526 00:28:23,869 --> 00:28:25,245 let us know." 527 00:28:25,245 --> 00:28:26,872 That's what should have happened. 528 00:28:30,417 --> 00:28:33,003 ROLAND: Tina was--was a victim 529 00:28:33,003 --> 00:28:38,133 of destructive publicity at that time. 530 00:28:38,133 --> 00:28:40,260 Her name was rife, 531 00:28:40,260 --> 00:28:46,516 and she was under a burning magnifying glass. 532 00:28:46,516 --> 00:28:53,023 The collective memory of society toward that story 533 00:28:53,023 --> 00:28:56,276 is still a very ambivalent one. 534 00:28:57,778 --> 00:28:59,905 - I did a lot of suppressing with, you know, 535 00:28:59,905 --> 00:29:01,657 cocaine and drugs. 536 00:29:03,992 --> 00:29:05,744 So I guess I wasn't loving myself. 537 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,207 I threw all kinds of elaborate parties. 538 00:29:10,207 --> 00:29:11,833 And that's how I got through it. 539 00:29:11,833 --> 00:29:16,505 Support system of my friends, closest friends, and drugs. 540 00:29:16,505 --> 00:29:19,883 - A young woman allegedly left for dead by Christopher Wilder 541 00:29:19,883 --> 00:29:21,635 is out of the hospital tonight. 542 00:29:21,635 --> 00:29:22,928 16-year-old Dawnette Sue Wilt, 543 00:29:22,928 --> 00:29:24,346 recovering from three stab wounds, 544 00:29:24,346 --> 00:29:25,806 was released this morning and flew home 545 00:29:25,806 --> 00:29:27,516 to Indiana with her parents. 546 00:29:27,516 --> 00:29:29,059 DAWN: Um, when I first got home, 547 00:29:29,059 --> 00:29:30,477 for those first couple of weeks, 548 00:29:30,477 --> 00:29:31,812 everybody wanted to make sure that somebody 549 00:29:31,812 --> 00:29:35,857 was overseeing me, but I don't think anybody-- 550 00:29:35,857 --> 00:29:37,150 and why would they be-- 551 00:29:37,150 --> 00:29:41,321 were equipped to help me through-- 552 00:29:41,321 --> 00:29:45,075 you know, there just wasn't the awareness. 553 00:29:45,075 --> 00:29:48,996 And I was 16-year-old girl that suffered a ton of trauma. 554 00:29:48,996 --> 00:29:50,664 It's like, okay, you're back home. 555 00:29:50,664 --> 00:29:53,333 Life resumes itself. 556 00:29:53,333 --> 00:29:58,797 I was back in school within weeks of what happened to me. 557 00:29:58,797 --> 00:30:03,719 That car came back, and that was my car, and I drove it. 558 00:30:03,719 --> 00:30:08,181 I very much did not want to be defined by that incident. 559 00:30:08,181 --> 00:30:10,183 I didn't want people to feel sorry for me. 560 00:30:12,811 --> 00:30:14,688 And then it catches up with you. 561 00:30:14,688 --> 00:30:17,149 I didn't go away to school 562 00:30:17,149 --> 00:30:19,651 because I couldn't even sleep by myself. 563 00:30:19,651 --> 00:30:23,613 I think I realized that I had PTSD, like, when I was 40. 564 00:30:23,613 --> 00:30:25,323 I started having panic attacks. 565 00:30:25,323 --> 00:30:28,326 There are triggers that just come up, right? 566 00:30:28,326 --> 00:30:30,620 That will, you know, cause a memory. 567 00:30:32,497 --> 00:30:34,666 I think it's just all stored in there. 568 00:30:37,169 --> 00:30:38,754 REPORTER: The end to Wilder's murder spree 569 00:30:38,754 --> 00:30:41,715 came too late for the family and friends of Beth Dodge, 570 00:30:41,715 --> 00:30:43,759 described as a wonderful mother, 571 00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:46,595 a Sunday school teacher, and a hard worker. 572 00:30:46,595 --> 00:30:48,764 STEPHANIE: I'm not typically an angry person, 573 00:30:48,764 --> 00:30:51,141 but when I hear the name Tina Marie, 574 00:30:51,141 --> 00:30:55,145 I get angry, I guess. 575 00:30:56,813 --> 00:30:59,608 All I've got is what has been reported. 576 00:30:59,608 --> 00:31:03,570 And I understand, you know, Tina 577 00:31:03,570 --> 00:31:08,325 was in a traumatic experience, and she lived through it. 578 00:31:08,325 --> 00:31:10,786 But she's been quiet for a long time. 579 00:31:10,786 --> 00:31:13,997 She's never really said her piece of it. 580 00:31:17,125 --> 00:31:18,794 [suspenseful music] 581 00:31:18,794 --> 00:31:20,587 REPORTER: Now the friends and family of Beth Dodge 582 00:31:20,587 --> 00:31:22,255 have the difficult task of telling 583 00:31:22,255 --> 00:31:26,343 her four-year-old daughter why Mommy is never coming back. 584 00:31:26,343 --> 00:31:27,928 STEPHANIE: I honestly don't know 585 00:31:27,928 --> 00:31:30,138 if it was a show or an article 586 00:31:30,138 --> 00:31:34,101 throughout the years that shed a little bit of light, 587 00:31:34,101 --> 00:31:38,980 but I'm under the impression that Tina's job for him 588 00:31:38,980 --> 00:31:45,987 was to approach the other women for the time that he had her. 589 00:31:45,987 --> 00:31:50,492 I guess, really, I would just ask for the truth. 590 00:31:50,492 --> 00:31:54,538 And I could deal with it any-- any way that it was. 591 00:32:10,554 --> 00:32:12,639 - I was in the car the whole time. 592 00:32:15,183 --> 00:32:18,687 It's--I mean, I didn't expect him to kill her. 593 00:32:18,687 --> 00:32:22,065 I thought he would just take her car, you know? 594 00:32:22,065 --> 00:32:25,402 I didn't-- that was a shock for me. 595 00:32:25,402 --> 00:32:28,155 It was just fast. Boom-boom-boom-boom. 596 00:32:28,155 --> 00:32:30,240 He approached her with the gun, pushed her in the car, 597 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,243 took it over, and immediately follow. 598 00:32:33,243 --> 00:32:35,328 Yeah, it was very horrific. 599 00:32:38,206 --> 00:32:39,833 I hope I give her closure. 600 00:32:41,751 --> 00:32:44,629 I'm sorry your mom's not here. 601 00:32:44,629 --> 00:32:47,090 You have to live your life without your mother. 602 00:32:49,050 --> 00:32:53,263 And I guess because I'm so, uh, monotone about this, 603 00:32:53,263 --> 00:32:58,101 is because I had to be so suppressed at the time 604 00:32:58,101 --> 00:33:01,313 with him, that still today, I'm still 605 00:33:01,313 --> 00:33:04,941 in that frame of mind when I have to talk about it 606 00:33:04,941 --> 00:33:08,862 'cause it's--I'm still trapped, 607 00:33:08,862 --> 00:33:11,198 compartmentalized in that moment 608 00:33:11,198 --> 00:33:15,243 of his Jedi mindfuck on me. 609 00:33:15,243 --> 00:33:18,246 [serene music] 610 00:33:18,246 --> 00:33:21,875 ♪ ♪ 611 00:33:25,754 --> 00:33:27,797 - It made me very independent. 612 00:33:27,797 --> 00:33:33,178 I was an only child for the most part, and my mom was gone. 613 00:33:33,178 --> 00:33:34,596 Um... 614 00:33:34,596 --> 00:33:40,227 my dad turned to alcohol after that. 615 00:33:40,227 --> 00:33:44,189 So he was a great dad, uh, 616 00:33:44,189 --> 00:33:47,359 in that he always took care of me, 617 00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:49,444 you know, cooked dinner and all that. 618 00:33:51,988 --> 00:33:54,532 But at night when he would come home from work, 619 00:33:54,532 --> 00:33:56,743 he'd stay there, and he would just drink 620 00:33:56,743 --> 00:33:58,954 until he went to bed. 621 00:33:58,954 --> 00:34:03,208 And, um, so I had to grow up. 622 00:34:03,208 --> 00:34:04,834 It was just me. 623 00:34:07,379 --> 00:34:12,676 You know, it's not just his immediate victims 624 00:34:12,676 --> 00:34:15,262 that he affected. 625 00:34:15,262 --> 00:34:17,597 PARENT 1: We want to find our daughter. 626 00:34:17,597 --> 00:34:18,848 PARENT 2: I don't think I'm ever gonna 627 00:34:18,848 --> 00:34:20,517 find anybody to replace her. 628 00:34:21,935 --> 00:34:24,938 PARENT 3: I just wanted to know where, when, 629 00:34:24,938 --> 00:34:26,648 why he chose her. 630 00:34:29,025 --> 00:34:31,820 STEPHANIE: It's so many more people 631 00:34:31,820 --> 00:34:35,782 for such a long period of time. 632 00:34:35,782 --> 00:34:39,286 REPORTER 1: Delta Flight 1187, a nonstop flight from Boston 633 00:34:39,286 --> 00:34:42,539 carrying the body of reputed mass murderer Chris Wilder, 634 00:34:42,539 --> 00:34:44,291 landed about 7:00 tonight 635 00:34:44,291 --> 00:34:46,126 at West Palm Beach International. 636 00:34:46,126 --> 00:34:48,253 Minutes later, a casket wrapped 637 00:34:48,253 --> 00:34:49,754 in a cardboard shipping box 638 00:34:49,754 --> 00:34:52,799 was carted out onto a Delta air cargo loading dock 639 00:34:52,799 --> 00:34:54,718 and placed into a waiting hearse. 640 00:34:57,220 --> 00:34:59,055 REPORTER 2: Christopher Wilder's death on Friday 641 00:34:59,055 --> 00:35:01,850 came just hours after his brother made a private appeal 642 00:35:01,850 --> 00:35:02,892 for his surrender. 643 00:35:30,295 --> 00:35:32,297 REPORTER 2: With permission from the Wilder family, 644 00:35:32,297 --> 00:35:34,632 authorities kept the body at the medical examiner's 645 00:35:34,632 --> 00:35:36,051 for several hours. 646 00:35:36,051 --> 00:35:38,928 Here, a plaster cast of Wilder's jaw was made, 647 00:35:38,928 --> 00:35:41,806 and a series of photos were taken of the body. 648 00:35:41,806 --> 00:35:45,310 - Well, there are several investigations still going on. 649 00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:47,854 The plaster cast, the photographs 650 00:35:47,854 --> 00:35:51,274 may assist the locals in either pinning Wilder to it 651 00:35:51,274 --> 00:35:54,569 or, uh, excluding him from being a suspect. 652 00:35:54,569 --> 00:35:57,739 - For a lot of detectives, Wilder is the white whale case 653 00:35:57,739 --> 00:35:59,658 of their careers. 654 00:35:59,658 --> 00:36:01,618 The one they couldn't stop. 655 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,790 There were the women that we know that he killed, 656 00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:09,501 and then there are others who keep appearing. 657 00:36:09,501 --> 00:36:11,127 REPORTER: 17-year-old Mary Opitz 658 00:36:11,127 --> 00:36:13,672 vanished in January of 1981. 659 00:36:13,672 --> 00:36:16,007 18-year-old Mary Hare disappeared 660 00:36:16,007 --> 00:36:18,259 from the same mall in February of that year. 661 00:36:18,259 --> 00:36:20,970 Another disappearance happened in March of this year, 662 00:36:20,970 --> 00:36:22,555 19-year-old Melody Gay. 663 00:36:22,555 --> 00:36:25,350 DUNCAN: Wilder is probably responsible 664 00:36:25,350 --> 00:36:28,895 for upwards of 14 murders across two countries 665 00:36:28,895 --> 00:36:30,939 over a period of 20 years. 666 00:36:36,319 --> 00:36:38,405 In Australia, he might be responsible 667 00:36:38,405 --> 00:36:40,448 for the Wanda Beach Murders, 668 00:36:40,448 --> 00:36:42,325 one of the most notorious crimes 669 00:36:42,325 --> 00:36:43,910 in Australian history. 670 00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:45,495 REPORTER: Police search Wanda Beach 671 00:36:45,495 --> 00:36:48,289 after two teenage girls are found murdered. 672 00:36:48,289 --> 00:36:50,542 15-year-old friends Marianne Schmidt 673 00:36:50,542 --> 00:36:52,752 and Christine Sharrock had taken their brothers 674 00:36:52,752 --> 00:36:54,462 and sisters for a day out. 675 00:36:54,462 --> 00:36:58,591 The pair was last spotted with an unknown teenage boy. 676 00:36:58,591 --> 00:37:01,219 DUNCAN: A good-looking young bloke, late teens, early 20s. 677 00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:03,179 Sandy blonde hair. 678 00:37:03,179 --> 00:37:06,474 At the time, Christopher Wilder was almost 20. 679 00:37:06,474 --> 00:37:08,518 REPORTER: They were seen to disappear with that youth 680 00:37:08,518 --> 00:37:09,811 into the sand dunes. 681 00:37:09,811 --> 00:37:11,271 DUNCAN: They'd been sexually assaulted 682 00:37:11,271 --> 00:37:12,647 then stabbed to death. 683 00:37:12,647 --> 00:37:15,483 It was an utterly horrific crime. 684 00:37:15,483 --> 00:37:17,736 And that Wanda Beach murder prompted, at that point, 685 00:37:17,736 --> 00:37:21,489 the biggest manhunt in Australian history. 686 00:37:21,489 --> 00:37:24,117 They have semen samples and blood samples 687 00:37:24,117 --> 00:37:25,869 they believe belong to the killer. 688 00:37:32,542 --> 00:37:35,336 - Sadly, when they went looking for it, when DNA came in, 689 00:37:35,336 --> 00:37:36,754 it had been misfiled and no one's 690 00:37:36,754 --> 00:37:38,923 ever been able to find it. 691 00:37:38,923 --> 00:37:41,676 So that one bit of evidence 692 00:37:41,676 --> 00:37:43,887 that could prove that Christopher Wilder 693 00:37:43,887 --> 00:37:47,098 was the killer or wasn't the killer is missing. 694 00:37:48,683 --> 00:37:52,604 The case still remains unsolved. 695 00:37:52,604 --> 00:37:55,064 You just have to wonder how many other people 696 00:37:55,064 --> 00:37:56,399 may be Wilder victims. 697 00:38:01,696 --> 00:38:03,782 REPORTER: The end of Wilder's bloody cross-country odyssey 698 00:38:03,782 --> 00:38:06,367 has not closed the case. 699 00:38:06,367 --> 00:38:09,788 The FBI is examining the car in which Wilder shot himself. 700 00:38:09,788 --> 00:38:12,332 The most significant find may be this briefcase 701 00:38:12,332 --> 00:38:14,876 containing bloodstained tape, a knife, 702 00:38:14,876 --> 00:38:18,087 gun holster, passport, $4,900, 703 00:38:18,087 --> 00:38:21,174 as well as photographs of several unidentified women, 704 00:38:21,174 --> 00:38:23,218 the kind Wilder reportedly enticed 705 00:38:23,218 --> 00:38:24,928 with promises of modeling jobs. 706 00:38:26,387 --> 00:38:30,225 TIM: He had Beth's keys, he had all her personal stuff. 707 00:38:30,225 --> 00:38:33,895 I mean, the reality sunk in that, 708 00:38:33,895 --> 00:38:37,148 you know, probably never gonna find out 709 00:38:37,148 --> 00:38:41,402 where she's at unless someone else had information. 710 00:38:41,402 --> 00:38:42,946 [somber music] 711 00:38:42,946 --> 00:38:47,492 - My parents, they were trying to hang on to something 712 00:38:47,492 --> 00:38:49,244 that would find Beth. 713 00:38:49,244 --> 00:38:52,789 - We're just going on the theory that possibly, uh, 714 00:38:52,789 --> 00:38:57,085 liking Beth so much, as he did, that he really didn't harm her. 715 00:38:59,212 --> 00:39:02,715 BILL: When my mom passed away-- 716 00:39:02,715 --> 00:39:07,512 and she passed away pretty young, 59-- 717 00:39:07,512 --> 00:39:10,014 she died of a broken heart. 718 00:39:10,014 --> 00:39:16,646 ♪ ♪ 719 00:39:16,646 --> 00:39:18,565 TIM: A lot of reasons to be hateful 720 00:39:18,565 --> 00:39:20,733 towards Christopher Wilder, right? 721 00:39:23,194 --> 00:39:27,156 But if I ever feel really angry about him, 722 00:39:27,156 --> 00:39:31,077 is what he took from our family was the chance 723 00:39:31,077 --> 00:39:33,955 to be a family, right? 724 00:39:33,955 --> 00:39:35,331 With my kids. 725 00:39:38,084 --> 00:39:39,085 So. 726 00:39:39,085 --> 00:39:46,092 ♪ ♪ 727 00:39:47,093 --> 00:39:50,513 JOHN: It's sad--we never found Rosario Gonzalez 728 00:39:50,513 --> 00:39:54,058 or Elizabeth Kenyon's body. 729 00:39:54,058 --> 00:39:56,352 The poor families have to live with it. 730 00:39:58,438 --> 00:40:00,315 And there's no doubt in my mind 731 00:40:00,315 --> 00:40:02,483 that he killed other girls. 732 00:40:03,776 --> 00:40:07,572 You gotta figure this is not all he did. 733 00:40:07,572 --> 00:40:11,784 But I don't know what else more we could have done. 734 00:40:11,784 --> 00:40:15,872 You wanna be able to feel like you did all you could do. 735 00:40:17,999 --> 00:40:19,500 JOHN: Well, I do. Yes, I do. 736 00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:24,047 And I'm not saying that-- 737 00:40:24,047 --> 00:40:27,383 I'd tell you, you know? 738 00:40:27,383 --> 00:40:31,429 You gotta be able to live with yourself, you know? 739 00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:35,433 TINA: I have two regrets: getting in the car 740 00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:38,478 and taking Dawn. 741 00:40:38,478 --> 00:40:39,896 It was a choice. 742 00:40:39,896 --> 00:40:41,564 It wasn't mine, but it was a choice, 743 00:40:41,564 --> 00:40:43,066 and I have to live with that. 744 00:40:46,861 --> 00:40:48,446 DAWN: While it would not have happened to me 745 00:40:48,446 --> 00:40:51,491 if it were not for her, I think she was a victim 746 00:40:51,491 --> 00:40:54,744 and did what she felt like she needed to do 747 00:40:54,744 --> 00:40:56,496 to, you know, stay alive. 748 00:40:56,496 --> 00:40:59,916 Like, it's a survival mechanism like we all have. 749 00:40:59,916 --> 00:41:01,042 Yeah. 750 00:41:01,042 --> 00:41:08,049 ♪ ♪ 751 00:41:14,681 --> 00:41:16,974 - After, uh, redoing our investigation, 752 00:41:16,974 --> 00:41:19,435 the United States Attorney's Office in Buffalo 753 00:41:19,435 --> 00:41:22,689 has declined to prosecute Ms. Risico, uh, 754 00:41:22,689 --> 00:41:24,941 for any of her involvement in the kidnapping 755 00:41:24,941 --> 00:41:29,070 of, uh, Ms. Wilt in Indiana and her transportation 756 00:41:29,070 --> 00:41:30,613 to the Buffalo area. 757 00:41:30,613 --> 00:41:33,074 REPORTER: So is that a final decision on her? 758 00:41:45,837 --> 00:41:49,215 - [scoffs] Um... 759 00:41:51,217 --> 00:41:53,094 Have they had a good life? 760 00:41:59,350 --> 00:42:02,145 Because I truly hope they have. 761 00:42:02,145 --> 00:42:04,772 Um... 762 00:42:04,772 --> 00:42:10,445 I would hope somebody doesn't survive that 763 00:42:10,445 --> 00:42:13,948 and then have to live the rest of their years 764 00:42:13,948 --> 00:42:16,993 in torture because of it. 765 00:42:16,993 --> 00:42:22,165 So...I would just, uh... 766 00:42:24,125 --> 00:42:25,918 I would ask them if they've had a good life 767 00:42:25,918 --> 00:42:29,172 because I hope that somehow, 768 00:42:29,172 --> 00:42:32,091 through it all, they found peace. 769 00:42:35,303 --> 00:42:37,346 DAWN: It has not been an easy ride, 770 00:42:37,346 --> 00:42:39,807 but there's been some incredible joy 771 00:42:39,807 --> 00:42:42,977 and incredible satisfaction. 772 00:42:42,977 --> 00:42:46,439 I have two beautiful children that, you know, I live for. 773 00:42:46,439 --> 00:42:48,733 Um, we have lots of laughs and fun, 774 00:42:48,733 --> 00:42:51,569 and, you know, some days are hard and some days are amazing. 775 00:42:51,569 --> 00:42:53,571 And it is just this journey. 776 00:42:53,571 --> 00:42:55,865 And I don't think that time heals all wounds, 777 00:42:55,865 --> 00:42:59,702 but time certainly helps you, um, 778 00:42:59,702 --> 00:43:02,538 be able to, like, sit here today, right? 779 00:43:02,538 --> 00:43:09,504 ♪ ♪ 780 00:43:12,131 --> 00:43:16,135 TINA: When I came back, as I mentioned, I was closed off. 781 00:43:16,135 --> 00:43:18,012 I was in a lot of anger. 782 00:43:21,474 --> 00:43:26,104 Hurt my grandma all the time, my closest-- 783 00:43:26,104 --> 00:43:30,108 closest person to me, and I wish I could take that back, 784 00:43:30,108 --> 00:43:32,693 but it was because I was dealing with this 785 00:43:32,693 --> 00:43:34,153 internally by myself. 786 00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:38,032 So I was an introvert. 787 00:43:41,994 --> 00:43:44,122 But Lou broke me out of that. 788 00:43:44,122 --> 00:43:47,041 A friend, Bruce Brush, did this for our anniversary. 789 00:43:47,041 --> 00:43:49,836 8-25 is when we got married. I married Lou. 790 00:43:49,836 --> 00:43:51,128 And me in Vegas. 791 00:43:51,128 --> 00:43:54,799 [sentimental music] 792 00:43:54,799 --> 00:43:57,844 Lou was well aware of every detail of my ordeal. 793 00:43:57,844 --> 00:44:00,304 And he was so laid-back, big heart, 794 00:44:00,304 --> 00:44:03,766 that it changed me to become myself, 795 00:44:03,766 --> 00:44:07,144 my true self, finally, at, you know, 796 00:44:07,144 --> 00:44:08,479 32 years old. 797 00:44:08,479 --> 00:44:10,022 I had to become myself then. 798 00:44:10,022 --> 00:44:11,482 JACKIE: Three days a week. 799 00:44:11,482 --> 00:44:13,317 Hi, Tina. 800 00:44:13,317 --> 00:44:15,194 The woman of the hour. 801 00:44:15,194 --> 00:44:16,779 TINA: I turned myself around. 802 00:44:16,779 --> 00:44:19,073 Got sober. 803 00:44:19,073 --> 00:44:21,742 I'm--you know, I'm living my best life now. 804 00:44:21,742 --> 00:44:24,871 Hi, Jackie. - It's okay. 805 00:44:24,871 --> 00:44:26,914 TINA: Hi, Sherry. Hi, Buck. 806 00:44:26,914 --> 00:44:29,041 Look at you, you're all great. 807 00:44:29,041 --> 00:44:30,918 Oh, my God! 808 00:44:30,918 --> 00:44:32,253 Hi, Holly. 809 00:44:32,253 --> 00:44:33,713 [overlapping speech] 810 00:44:33,713 --> 00:44:35,214 Yes, you are. 811 00:44:35,214 --> 00:44:37,925 Hi, baby. 812 00:44:37,925 --> 00:44:39,635 I'm so glad you made it. - Good to see you. 813 00:44:39,635 --> 00:44:41,137 TINA: Likewise. Hi. 814 00:44:41,137 --> 00:44:42,889 - Hi, hello. Tina Marie. TINA: Hi, Ricky. 815 00:44:42,889 --> 00:44:44,724 I have an abundance in my life. 816 00:44:44,724 --> 00:44:46,225 I have lots of loving friends. 817 00:44:46,225 --> 00:44:48,060 They have been there through thick and thin with me, 818 00:44:48,060 --> 00:44:51,439 ups and downs, and I love my friends. 819 00:44:51,439 --> 00:44:52,732 - That you are. 820 00:44:52,732 --> 00:44:54,734 PERSON: So it's nice to officially meet you. 821 00:44:54,734 --> 00:44:56,777 TINA: I may not see them every day of my life, 822 00:44:56,777 --> 00:44:58,196 but that's what good friends are about. 823 00:44:58,196 --> 00:44:59,947 It doesn't have to be like every day. 824 00:44:59,947 --> 00:45:02,909 - Tina, how has this experience been for you? 825 00:45:02,909 --> 00:45:06,120 - Uh, cathartic. Uh... 826 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,538 RICK: Can you spell that? 827 00:45:07,538 --> 00:45:08,748 [laughter] 828 00:45:08,748 --> 00:45:10,082 - Not really. 829 00:45:10,082 --> 00:45:11,459 RICK: No one said there's gonna be big words. 830 00:45:11,459 --> 00:45:14,086 - Cathartic. Uh, uh... 831 00:45:14,086 --> 00:45:17,006 eye-opening, um... 832 00:45:17,006 --> 00:45:19,592 I had forgotten some things or suppressed them, 833 00:45:19,592 --> 00:45:21,093 not really a--same difference. 834 00:45:21,093 --> 00:45:23,804 Uh, and then having to read some things that I forgot 835 00:45:23,804 --> 00:45:26,891 that happened to me that kind of, you know, jarred me. 836 00:45:26,891 --> 00:45:29,435 PERSON: I, for one, was always concerned 837 00:45:29,435 --> 00:45:31,687 that she never talked about it. - Yes. 838 00:45:31,687 --> 00:45:37,276 - And last night, she called me and she told me things that-- 839 00:45:37,276 --> 00:45:38,486 - Yeah. 840 00:45:38,486 --> 00:45:39,820 TINA: See, I never talked about it with people 841 00:45:39,820 --> 00:45:42,198 because it's hard to understand. 842 00:45:42,198 --> 00:45:44,867 And you're gonna like, oh, my God, you're out of your mind. 843 00:45:44,867 --> 00:45:46,369 How could that have happened? 844 00:45:46,369 --> 00:45:48,204 How could you say, like, how did that happen? 845 00:45:48,204 --> 00:45:50,790 So I never talked to any of you about it 846 00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:53,209 because I didn't wanna have to explain. 847 00:45:53,209 --> 00:45:56,003 - Do you think that what you went through 848 00:45:56,003 --> 00:46:00,007 as an innocent child helped you survive? 849 00:46:00,007 --> 00:46:01,968 I mean, do you-- do you correlate that? 850 00:46:01,968 --> 00:46:03,427 - Oh, the survivor skills kicked in 851 00:46:03,427 --> 00:46:05,096 because of how Mom brought me up. 852 00:46:05,096 --> 00:46:12,103 ♪ ♪ 853 00:46:19,568 --> 00:46:23,322 I have been approached for all these years many, many times. 854 00:46:23,322 --> 00:46:25,616 Doing a couple of shows. 855 00:46:25,616 --> 00:46:29,787 And it just only focused on him. 856 00:46:29,787 --> 00:46:32,039 And then it didn't express who I am. 857 00:46:37,336 --> 00:46:39,547 DAWN: I have never watched, listened, 858 00:46:39,547 --> 00:46:41,966 read about anything about this 859 00:46:41,966 --> 00:46:44,719 because, you know, it was my experience, I had it. 860 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,763 But I do remember somebody saying to me that, um, 861 00:46:47,763 --> 00:46:49,682 he had actually did turn around 862 00:46:49,682 --> 00:46:53,102 to see if I was still there and alive. 863 00:46:55,354 --> 00:46:58,524 I love that he knew that. 864 00:46:58,524 --> 00:47:00,735 You know, that he came back for me and I was gone. 865 00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:09,660 And so I think this project in particular 866 00:47:09,660 --> 00:47:12,079 was compelling for me because this really 867 00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:15,082 is a story about survival. 868 00:47:15,082 --> 00:47:17,293 And the other victims and their families 869 00:47:17,293 --> 00:47:20,838 having an opportunity to share who they were as people. 870 00:47:20,838 --> 00:47:24,425 They were much more than what happened to them at the end. 871 00:47:28,054 --> 00:47:30,473 TINA: And I hope after this comes out, that somebody 872 00:47:30,473 --> 00:47:34,602 can find strength from what I've given in my side 873 00:47:34,602 --> 00:47:37,271 of the story, my truth. 874 00:47:38,731 --> 00:47:40,900 I hope they can, uh, gather something from it 875 00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:42,443 and walk away with inspiration. 876 00:47:46,447 --> 00:47:48,032 Don't take shit from nobody. 877 00:47:50,368 --> 00:47:52,912 Only you can dictate who you are. 878 00:47:52,912 --> 00:47:59,877 ♪ ♪ 879 00:48:44,130 --> 00:48:47,133 [somber music] 880 00:48:47,133 --> 00:48:54,140 ♪ ♪ 67552

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