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[tense music]
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♪ ♪
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TINA:
After he'd shot Beth Dodge,
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we were just driving
towards Canada border.
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And Wilder became different.
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He put his arm
on the middle console, said,
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you're gonna--
"I'm gonna take you to Boston
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and let you go."
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I didn't know why.
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And I just looked at him
and I'm just--to myself,
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like, okay, I'm not
gonna believe this
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because it could be a trick.
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- No, there was no feeling
of anything.
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Everything was numb,
stifled, and petrified.
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Any minute he could
change his mind.
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♪ ♪
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The next thing I know,
I'm at the airport.
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I don't even remember driving
through Boston or anything.
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I don't--I only remember
the airport.
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We walked up to the counter.
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Still not looking at anybody.
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Just keeping my focus on him.
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Give me your ID.
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You pay for the ticket.
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He's like, "Here's some money.
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"You're gonna need this.
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Take this $1,000
for whatever you need."
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And then he just said goodbye.
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That's it. Just bye.
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And he left and turned around
and walked away.
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I was still afraid he's gonna
come back and get me.
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Always looking over my shoulder
like, where is he at?
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Being that I was still in the
mindset of being controlled,
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I was lost.
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What'd I--what do I need to do?
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So I just sat there waiting,
staring off to the darkness
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out the window.
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♪ ♪
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Not until I was in that plane
that I know for sure
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that I was actually
released from him.
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I've never been
on an airplane,
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and what a first introduction
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to airlines and airplanes.
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I think we stopped in Chicago,
went to, like, Texas,
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and then to LAX or something.
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You know, it was, like,
a weird route.
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But I slept all the way home.
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And I still didn't know
anything that's going on,
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like the major manhunt for me.
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- At the moment, the only
new information we have
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is that the body found
in Victor, New York,
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is not the body of our
missing Tina Marie Risico.
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REPORTER 1:
33-year-old Beth Dodge
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of Upstate New York
was shot in the back.
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REPORTER 2: Police in New York
and surrounding states
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have now joined the search,
but as one federal agent
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said today,
Wilder moves very fast.
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If they don't get him tonight,
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he could be anywhere
by morning.
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TINA: It's, like, 11:00 a.m.
I think the plane landed.
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[suspenseful music]
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I was just glad to be home.
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It was warm and sunny
in Southern California.
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It was April 13 on a Friday.
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I got into a cab,
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and, uh, the cabbie,
he knew who I was.
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I didn't realize he did until
I happened to lean forward
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and put my hands on the--
you know, the front seat,
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and I looked down next to him
in the passenger seat,
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there my face was
on the frigging
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front of the newspaper.
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And that was the first
inclination that people
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were really looking for me.
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My emotion was, oh, boy,
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what's gonna happen to me now?
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But I had been
in the same underwear,
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same bra, same clothes
for the last amount of days.
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And that's all I was
concentrating on,
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everything was stinky.
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And I said, well,
you know what?
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Let's go down
to Hermosa Beach.
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Can you take me to the
lingerie store, The Tushery?
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No one was in the, uh, store
at the time I was.
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The salespeople there,
they were nice girls,
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but more infatuated knowing
that they had some sort
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of true crime celebrity
in their store.
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- What was it that led her
to think it was Risico?
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And he gave her money
and put her on a plane.
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REPORTER:
Really?
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- And, um, that she didn't
wanna call her mother
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until she had time to think
about it because she felt
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after that happened,
it would be--
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her life wouldn't be her own.
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REPORTER: And this is
what the--she told the clerk?
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- Both the clerks.
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REPORTER:
And relate that story again.
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What did she tell the clerk?
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- She said--okay,
I guess they don't want me
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to make any statement.
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No statement? Okay.
REPORTER: Thank you.
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BARRY:
We heard that she had gone
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to that clothing store
in Hermosa.
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We had 15 news stations out
in front of the department
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waiting for her.
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Everybody was all excited,
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but we didn't know exactly
where she was going.
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I thought she would go
to her mother's house.
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TINA: So after shopping there,
I did realize
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that if I did go home,
I'm just gonna be bombarded
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by all these reporters.
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So I didn't go home.
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And I'm glad I didn't 'cause
apparently there was paparazzi
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waiting for me to arrive.
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I avoided all that.
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I went up to my
boyfriend Billy's
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'cause I'm like, that's it.
I wanna see Billy.
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I missed him so bad.
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And he wasn't home when I got
taken up there by the cabbie,
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but our friends, uh,
Rick and Jerry were there.
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RICK: We're in the front yard
washing our vehicles.
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And all of the sudden,
a taxicab pulls up.
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She steps out of the cab,
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and Jerry and I are, like,
we're dumbfounded.
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We absolutely didn't expect
to see Tina come home.
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Didn't expect it.
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You know, we were--we were
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treating her with kid gloves,
you know?
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We didn't--we didn't wanna
shake her up at all.
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We just let her talk.
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And she was kind of just
in a different, uh, space.
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TINA: At Billy's house,
it was peaceful.
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I was able to take a shower,
change my clothes.
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And then they said, we should
take you to the police station.
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- She kind of just
resigned herself.
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Said, "Yeah, I guess we do
have to go," you know?
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Well, she knew
it was inevitable.
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DIANE: Billy had contacted me,
and I can't remember
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whether it was the day before
or that morning.
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And he asked if I could go
to Torrance Police Department
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with him as kind of
moral support, right?
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To be interviewed
by detectives.
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I was just sitting there
waiting for him.
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And I remember Ricky McCarter
walking in with Tina.
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And it was just--
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There are no words
to describe it.
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I didn't say anything to her
because she was obviously
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whisked away immediately.
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TINA:
At the police station
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with all the FBI
and police people,
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it was, like,
3:00 our time, maybe?
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Someone comes
rushing in the room.
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We just got word,
you know, like,
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talking amongst ourselves,
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you know the cops,
how they say.
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And then they look to me
and told me what happened.
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♪ ♪
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DUNCAN:
Christopher Wilder is
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in Beth Dodge's
Pontiac Firebird.
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And he is heading
for the Canadian border
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about 10 or 12 miles north,
the little town of Colebrook.
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Where he goes into the
Getty service station.
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And then two troopers
are driving back
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from having lunch, I think.
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Wilder looks at them
passing, two cops,
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and it's that remarkable
moment where they say,
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you know, this is the guy
that everyone's looking for.
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The cops wheel into
the service station.
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One gets out first while
his mate is covering him.
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Goes to the car.
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He and Wilder start fighting.
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Then a gun goes off.
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[gunshot]
[sirens wailing]
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[suspenseful music]
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REPORTER: What was the scene
like when you arrived?
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- There was
an unidentified subject
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in a--in a gold-colored Camaro,
uh, slumped over the seat,
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and Trooper Jellison
was sitting in his seat.
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- It was something very unusual
for a small town
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like Colebrook,
something like this to happen.
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PETER JENNINGS:
A nationwide manhunt is over.
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Christopher Wilder, who has
been on the FBI's wanted list
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for more than a week,
shot and killed himself
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in Colebrook, New Hampshire,
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just 5 miles
from the Canadian border.
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REPORTER: Spotted by state
troopers, Wilder shot himself,
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but the bullet passed
through his body
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and wounded a police officer.
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Wilder then fired again,
this time killing himself.
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- Relief.
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What went through my mind
was relief.
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Yeah, relief.
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I can't live my life
by what-ifs,
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but what if he was
still alive today?
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I wouldn't be sitting
in this chair today.
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DAWN:
I learned in the hospital--
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I was still in the hospital.
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I was sleeping, and I woke
up with, you know,
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a t--a terror, right?
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And, um,
I remember they're like,
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it's okay, it's okay, he's--
you know, he died.
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And I'm like, you know, no he--
you know, did he really?
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Is it true?
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- Christopher Wilder's awful
odyssey appears to be over
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and remains unexplained.
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- So there was, like,
this immediate relief of,
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okay, you really are safe.
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- Wilder had a long history
of sex crimes
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in Florida and Australia.
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DAWN: I was super,
super relieved, too,
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that he couldn't hurt
anybody else.
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And even as young as I was,
I was glad
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that I would not ever have to
face him again, like, in court.
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- We are gratified that
the killings will stop.
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However, our investigations
to locate the missing women
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will continue.
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TIM: The phone rang,
and he said, "This is the FBI.
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Is Mr. Kenyon there, right?"
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And I was like, yeah, hold on.
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So I hand him the phone.
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And I remember that feeling,
that I remember the shriek
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my mom let out when it--
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and my dad,
you know, he told her.
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BILL: With him dying,
I think my parents
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felt as though that was--
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that was the only person
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that was going to let them know
where Beth was.
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REPORTER: But local police
aren't giving up.
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Miami detectives hope
to find out information
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from 16-year-old
Tina Marie Risico.
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Risico spent more than
a week traveling with Wilder.
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- I don't know that she's going
to be able to tell us anything,
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but I wouldn't rest comfortably
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till I had had the chance
to speak with her.
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- I think it was around
the same time, um,
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of learning about him,
you know, being dead.
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It kind of, um, solidified
the feelings that there was--
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and I don't wanna use this
in her detriment,
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but a relationship,
but I was glad
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that she was also a survivor.
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- Only hours after Wilder died,
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a suspected accomplice
turned up.
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A teenaged woman walking
into police headquarters
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in Torrance, California.
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She had been seen with Wilder
recently in New York.
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BARRY: There were other
jurisdictions involved
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where Dawn was from
and Beth Dodge was from.
248
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And they insisted
that Tina was involved
249
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with Wilder and an accomplice,
so they were after her.
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TINA: There was mostly men,
all in suits
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with their badges on their h--
uh, belts.
252
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They started immediately
interrogating me.
253
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And without a lawyer present.
254
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Okay, so it goes as follows.
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"Tina Marie Risico, aged 16,
was interviewed
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"to determine
the circumstances
257
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"of her abduction by
and travel with
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"Christopher Bernard Wilder.
259
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"Efforts were, therefore,
centered on obtaining
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"knowledge and degree of
participation in the kidnapping
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of Dawn and Beth Dodge."
262
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I really don't
wanna read that out loud.
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TINA: Talking with them, uh,
the FBI, being interrogated,
264
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it was really invasive.
265
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Being that I was still in this
fog, I wasn't in reality yet.
266
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It was hard for me
to open up about everything
267
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and give every little detail.
268
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"Due to Risico's actions
towards Wilder,
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"he began to trust her,
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"that she would not
attempt to escape
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because of the punishments
that he was giving her."
272
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Yeah.
273
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"Risico noted that as she
wanted to escape from him,
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"she purposely tried
to get him to believe
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he could trust her,"
which I did.
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Every little word that was
what I said to the women,
277
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why did I--you know,
why didn't I go away?
278
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Why didn't I run away
in the car?
279
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Why didn't I drive away?
Why didn't I do this?
280
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I'm like, why would you?
281
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What would you do, you know?
282
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What would you do?
283
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This is what I did.
284
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And here I am today
to tell you about it.
285
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I did something right, I think.
286
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So you tell me,
what would you do?
287
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Okay, I'm not gonna
talk about that.
288
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- I know, but whatever
I've said about her before
289
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and when I said I was sorry,
that's all you guys
290
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are gonna get from--
I'm not gonna reread this.
291
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Yeah, it's pretty accurate.
292
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♪ ♪
293
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- During our experience,
it wasn't a shared experience.
294
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Like, she very much
was with him
295
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and I very much was the victim.
296
00:16:05,673 --> 00:16:08,634
And I know things now,
that I know that,
297
00:16:08,634 --> 00:16:11,429
you know,
she was there involuntarily,
298
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she was a victim.
299
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But during that experience,
it was not at all clear to me.
300
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- I'm agitated.
301
00:16:22,106 --> 00:16:24,358
This is opening up
so much for me.
302
00:16:27,486 --> 00:16:30,031
It's just like, I was really,
uh, sick and tired
303
00:16:30,031 --> 00:16:32,658
of being asked so many
questions over and over again
304
00:16:32,658 --> 00:16:34,994
and wondering
what the hell is going on,
305
00:16:34,994 --> 00:16:36,871
realizing, am I in trouble?
306
00:16:36,871 --> 00:16:40,291
You know, it sure felt like it,
you know?
307
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And that's when my father
came in the view.
308
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REPORTER:
How did you find out?
309
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- I--over the news media.
310
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REPORTER: Have you had a chance
311
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to talk with her at all?
- No, no.
312
00:16:51,302 --> 00:16:52,553
REPORTER: What's the
first thing you're gonna do
313
00:16:52,553 --> 00:16:53,554
when you see
that daughter of yours?
314
00:16:53,554 --> 00:16:54,764
- What do you think?
315
00:16:54,764 --> 00:16:56,390
I'm gonna grab her
and hug her and kiss her.
316
00:16:56,390 --> 00:16:58,434
Well, I gotta get going.
Thank you, guys, okay?
317
00:16:58,434 --> 00:16:59,435
All right.
318
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TINA: My father
was never in my life,
319
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and now all of a sudden
he's there
320
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with the top criminal lawyer
at the time
321
00:17:08,778 --> 00:17:10,780
in the state of California.
322
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A criminal lawyer.
323
00:17:13,324 --> 00:17:15,117
Am I being charged
for something?
324
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[eerie music]
325
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♪ ♪
326
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DUNCAN: It's difficult
to come to grips with,
327
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the fact that Tina
played an active role
328
00:17:29,340 --> 00:17:32,051
in luring Dawn to the car.
329
00:17:32,051 --> 00:17:35,096
She sees Beth Dodge
being executed.
330
00:17:36,514 --> 00:17:39,725
She's dropped off by Wilder
at Logan Airport.
331
00:17:39,725 --> 00:17:42,853
And she sits there
and doesn't call the police?
332
00:17:45,481 --> 00:17:47,984
Flies back to California.
333
00:17:47,984 --> 00:17:49,652
Heads off to do some shopping.
334
00:17:51,946 --> 00:17:54,073
It's very strange behavior.
335
00:17:54,073 --> 00:18:01,080
♪ ♪
336
00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:02,582
- Let me ask you
a question first.
337
00:18:02,582 --> 00:18:04,584
Are we not live?
338
00:18:04,584 --> 00:18:07,253
Is anybody live?
339
00:18:07,253 --> 00:18:08,588
Nobody? Great.
340
00:18:08,588 --> 00:18:11,590
BARRY: Captain Popp was
my captain at the time,
341
00:18:11,590 --> 00:18:15,928
and he was really in charge
of the investigation.
342
00:18:15,928 --> 00:18:18,014
- Well, why don't
we start, then?
343
00:18:18,014 --> 00:18:21,934
- He was very adamant that she
was a victim, not a suspect.
344
00:18:21,934 --> 00:18:24,520
And contacted the news.
345
00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,772
- It is the opinion
of Torrance investigators
346
00:18:26,772 --> 00:18:29,108
that Tina Marie Risico
has been a victim
347
00:18:29,108 --> 00:18:31,235
throughout the nine days
of terror that ended
348
00:18:31,235 --> 00:18:32,862
with her safe return
to Torrance.
349
00:18:32,862 --> 00:18:35,072
TINA:
I was a child, 16 years old.
350
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Captain Popp and Barry Walsh,
351
00:18:36,741 --> 00:18:38,951
they were the most caring
for me.
352
00:18:38,951 --> 00:18:40,578
And all the way through it.
353
00:18:40,578 --> 00:18:43,789
I remember, I was most
securely safe with those two.
354
00:19:01,140 --> 00:19:04,393
- Uh, it's easy to sit back
and second-guess
355
00:19:04,393 --> 00:19:06,479
when you haven't gone
through the ordeal.
356
00:19:06,479 --> 00:19:08,439
Secondly, the terms
that you've used
357
00:19:08,439 --> 00:19:11,192
are very, very critical,
and the term "luring"
358
00:19:11,192 --> 00:19:13,235
in our investigation,
was not used.
359
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:19,575
- No.
Let me put it this way.
360
00:19:19,575 --> 00:19:21,869
She was very quick to realize
that if she did not comply
361
00:19:21,869 --> 00:19:24,497
with his wishes, she would,
number one, be tortured;
362
00:19:24,497 --> 00:19:25,831
number two, probably be killed.
363
00:19:33,172 --> 00:19:35,800
- Someone asked me yesterday,
what's the normal response?
364
00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,886
My answer to that is,
I know of no normal response.
365
00:19:38,886 --> 00:19:41,514
DIANE: There's all
these expectations
366
00:19:41,514 --> 00:19:45,976
on what Tina should have done
367
00:19:45,976 --> 00:19:50,022
without understanding
who Tina was as a person.
368
00:19:50,022 --> 00:19:54,360
She had a really
dysfunctional childhood.
369
00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:56,779
When you have
dysfunctional childhoods,
370
00:19:56,779 --> 00:19:59,615
you become old and wise
beyond your years
371
00:19:59,615 --> 00:20:01,617
as a survival mechanism.
372
00:20:05,621 --> 00:20:09,417
[melancholy music]
373
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♪ ♪
374
00:20:15,923 --> 00:20:17,508
TINA:
When I was a little girl,
375
00:20:17,508 --> 00:20:19,760
I just observed and learned
376
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,596
what I was being shown
at such a young age,
377
00:20:22,596 --> 00:20:26,267
be it drugs, uh, sex,
or being abused.
378
00:20:29,395 --> 00:20:33,023
I was exposed to,
uh, my mother, uh,
379
00:20:33,023 --> 00:20:36,110
overdosing on heroin twice.
380
00:20:39,321 --> 00:20:41,407
The first time,
I remember, uh--
381
00:20:41,407 --> 00:20:45,828
I think I was four or three.
382
00:20:45,828 --> 00:20:49,081
She--I--
383
00:20:49,081 --> 00:20:50,791
I remember trying
to wake her up,
384
00:20:50,791 --> 00:20:52,376
and she was foaming
at the mouth
385
00:20:52,376 --> 00:20:54,295
and shaking and everything
'cause she was ODing.
386
00:20:54,295 --> 00:20:57,506
Uh, somehow I knew how
to call on the phone
387
00:20:57,506 --> 00:21:00,176
to my aunt, my mom's sister.
388
00:21:00,176 --> 00:21:04,263
Yeah, so surviving
with my mom was tough.
389
00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:10,144
I was exposed to so much
at a young age.
390
00:21:10,144 --> 00:21:11,687
So many sick men.
391
00:21:14,482 --> 00:21:16,567
I had a few family
members that had
392
00:21:16,567 --> 00:21:19,028
sexually abused me continually
393
00:21:19,028 --> 00:21:20,988
till about I was
seven years old.
394
00:21:20,988 --> 00:21:24,325
From about three to seven.
395
00:21:24,325 --> 00:21:28,204
I have lived so much already
by the time I was 16.
396
00:21:28,204 --> 00:21:32,625
It just came natural for me
to absorb this, uh,
397
00:21:32,625 --> 00:21:35,503
brutality of being controlled.
398
00:21:35,503 --> 00:21:37,838
JIM: With me,
I have Roland Summit,
399
00:21:37,838 --> 00:21:40,007
who's a community psychiatrist
400
00:21:40,007 --> 00:21:44,845
at Harbor UCLA Medical Center
in Torrance.
401
00:21:44,845 --> 00:21:45,846
Thank you.
402
00:21:53,812 --> 00:21:55,898
- I think we can say
more about Wilder
403
00:21:55,898 --> 00:21:57,566
from what we can see
about Wilder
404
00:21:57,566 --> 00:22:00,319
than anything he told her.
405
00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:05,366
I'm assuming
that Wilder's excitement,
406
00:22:05,366 --> 00:22:08,828
his rage against women
407
00:22:08,828 --> 00:22:13,249
was stimulated by a woman
408
00:22:13,249 --> 00:22:19,797
pleading for her life,
a young woman totally unhinged.
409
00:22:19,797 --> 00:22:25,719
Along came Tina, who had
dealt with victimization
410
00:22:25,719 --> 00:22:27,930
from her early childhood,
411
00:22:27,930 --> 00:22:31,809
learning to cope
and how to survive it.
412
00:22:33,185 --> 00:22:36,856
I could imagine that she was
different from all the others
413
00:22:36,856 --> 00:22:40,609
from the beginning
by not acting
414
00:22:40,609 --> 00:22:43,028
as if she hoped to live,
415
00:22:43,028 --> 00:22:46,407
not asking, but finding ways
416
00:22:46,407 --> 00:22:50,786
to be totally compliant
on the surface,
417
00:22:50,786 --> 00:22:53,998
but to be calculating
underneath.
418
00:22:55,749 --> 00:22:57,501
TINA: Why did I survive
and they didn't?
419
00:22:57,501 --> 00:23:00,421
I don't know.
That's everyone's question.
420
00:23:00,421 --> 00:23:02,256
I never screamed.
421
00:23:02,256 --> 00:23:04,675
I never retaliated.
422
00:23:04,675 --> 00:23:08,888
I succumbed and, you know,
was vulnerable to him.
423
00:23:08,888 --> 00:23:12,266
I don't like playing games,
but it was a game.
424
00:23:12,266 --> 00:23:15,019
I'm gonna survive
in playing this game.
425
00:23:15,019 --> 00:23:16,854
[suspenseful music]
426
00:23:16,854 --> 00:23:21,817
ROLAND: She, the captive,
captivated the captor,
427
00:23:21,817 --> 00:23:28,574
and captivated Wilder
into seeing her differently.
428
00:23:28,574 --> 00:23:34,079
Seeing her as somebody who had
a life that ought to be saved.
429
00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:36,665
He began to develop
a respect for the young woman,
430
00:23:36,665 --> 00:23:39,168
which was not consistent
with his need.
431
00:23:39,168 --> 00:23:42,922
Jim Popp and I,
we wanted to keep this girl
432
00:23:42,922 --> 00:23:48,552
who had suddenly appeared
out of unimaginable chaos
433
00:23:48,552 --> 00:23:52,973
free from further
damaging encounters
434
00:23:52,973 --> 00:23:54,767
with a critical world.
435
00:23:54,767 --> 00:23:59,938
♪ ♪
436
00:23:59,938 --> 00:24:02,483
- April 19, 1984.
437
00:24:02,483 --> 00:24:06,028
"A psychiatrist who interviewed
Tina Marie Risico last week
438
00:24:06,028 --> 00:24:10,366
"warned Wednesday that should
the 16-year-old Torrance girl
439
00:24:10,366 --> 00:24:13,035
"choose or be pushed
into the bright light
440
00:24:13,035 --> 00:24:16,288
or public scrutiny,
it may destroy her."
441
00:24:16,288 --> 00:24:17,956
[laughs]
442
00:24:20,376 --> 00:24:22,211
"Tina Marie Risico
may have suffered
443
00:24:22,211 --> 00:24:24,672
Stockholm syndrome,
which makes hostages
444
00:24:24,672 --> 00:24:26,674
identify with their captors."
445
00:24:26,674 --> 00:24:30,928
No, I did not care for him
in any way, shape, or form.
446
00:24:30,928 --> 00:24:33,055
People magazine.
447
00:24:33,055 --> 00:24:35,641
Two weeks after I came back
that they created this article.
448
00:24:37,726 --> 00:24:40,312
People wanted to know me
just to hear what I had to say,
449
00:24:40,312 --> 00:24:42,815
ask me all kind
of crazy questions like,
450
00:24:42,815 --> 00:24:44,233
how come you're not dead?
451
00:24:45,859 --> 00:24:48,153
Okay, "What led Tina Marie
on a trek?"
452
00:24:48,153 --> 00:24:51,615
What kind of statement is that?
453
00:24:51,615 --> 00:24:55,035
Trek, brainwashed,
and accomplice.
454
00:24:55,035 --> 00:24:57,913
Yeah, see, I didn't--that's
why I don't wanna see those.
455
00:24:59,707 --> 00:25:01,417
- I'm getting upset...
[laughs]
456
00:25:01,417 --> 00:25:03,210
'cause it's just constant.
457
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,925
All of this? I was a child.
458
00:25:09,925 --> 00:25:14,596
I was a minor, and for the
media to exploit me, my name?
459
00:25:14,596 --> 00:25:17,057
They handled it all wrong
from the get-go.
460
00:25:17,057 --> 00:25:18,267
That's why I didn't
live at home.
461
00:25:18,267 --> 00:25:19,768
I moved in with Billy.
462
00:25:23,147 --> 00:25:24,857
My home, Grandma's home,
463
00:25:24,857 --> 00:25:27,443
was just always swarmed
with media.
464
00:25:35,367 --> 00:25:38,203
I was looking for Tina Marie--
- She's not here.
465
00:25:38,203 --> 00:25:39,413
REPORTER: You're her mother,
aren't you?
466
00:25:39,413 --> 00:25:40,622
- Yeah.
467
00:25:40,622 --> 00:25:41,874
REPORTER: I was wondering
if you might be able
468
00:25:41,874 --> 00:25:43,083
to talk at all
for a couple minutes?
469
00:25:43,083 --> 00:25:44,376
I know it's a very
difficult time for you--
470
00:25:44,376 --> 00:25:45,919
a happy time now.
471
00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:47,880
But, uh, everybody's sort of
been following the case
472
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,549
and are anxious to hear how
she was so fortunate
473
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:52,760
as to come through this ordeal.
474
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,679
- I guess when she's ready,
she's gonna let you all know.
475
00:25:55,679 --> 00:25:58,098
She usually does things
in a big way like that,
476
00:25:58,098 --> 00:26:00,684
so when she's ready,
it'll be shown.
477
00:26:00,684 --> 00:26:02,227
REPORTER: Can you just tell me
how she's doing?
478
00:26:02,227 --> 00:26:03,687
I mean, is she--
- She's beautiful.
479
00:26:03,687 --> 00:26:05,230
She's great.
She's fantastic.
480
00:26:05,230 --> 00:26:06,732
She's doing just fine.
481
00:26:06,732 --> 00:26:09,359
She's in heaven right now
having a good time.
482
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:10,861
She's partying.
483
00:26:10,861 --> 00:26:13,197
REPORTER: Well, good for her.
- Yeah, she's partying.
484
00:26:13,197 --> 00:26:14,990
REPORTER: Okay.
Thank you very much.
485
00:26:14,990 --> 00:26:16,700
- All right. Bye-bye.
REPORTER: Bye-bye.
486
00:26:21,163 --> 00:26:24,249
TINA: When I got back home,
I was worried about my mom,
487
00:26:24,249 --> 00:26:28,504
uh, beating my ass
for being gone all this time.
488
00:26:28,504 --> 00:26:29,922
But that didn't happen.
489
00:26:29,922 --> 00:26:32,382
She gave me hugs and kisses,
490
00:26:32,382 --> 00:26:34,593
but right back
to our disagreements.
491
00:26:34,593 --> 00:26:38,138
My mom and I didn't get along
all through my teen years.
492
00:26:42,184 --> 00:26:44,019
- No, never talked
about it with them.
493
00:26:44,019 --> 00:26:47,356
At all.
None of my family members.
494
00:26:47,356 --> 00:26:48,440
Just didn't.
495
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,484
It wasn't there.
496
00:26:50,484 --> 00:26:53,028
And that's how I liked it.
497
00:26:53,028 --> 00:26:55,906
After coming home,
I became very closed off.
498
00:26:55,906 --> 00:27:00,285
It's a protective shield so
people couldn't get close to me
499
00:27:00,285 --> 00:27:02,037
'cause everybody
wanted a piece of me,
500
00:27:02,037 --> 00:27:03,622
all the media
wanted a piece of me.
501
00:27:03,622 --> 00:27:06,875
Wasn't into exposing myself.
502
00:27:08,085 --> 00:27:11,672
PAUL: She was understandably
distant from everybody.
503
00:27:11,672 --> 00:27:13,674
I think anyone that went
through something like that
504
00:27:13,674 --> 00:27:14,967
would be closed off.
505
00:27:16,593 --> 00:27:18,720
TINA: People would be afraid
around me
506
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,430
with just how to act,
how to talk.
507
00:27:20,430 --> 00:27:24,560
Constant, uh,
tippy-toeing around me.
508
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,230
PAUL: She just was very
defensive about, you know,
509
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:31,316
who she was and what she was
gonna reveal to people.
510
00:27:31,316 --> 00:27:33,527
I could just tell, she's--
she's been through too much
511
00:27:33,527 --> 00:27:37,823
and she's not gonna talk
about anything right now.
512
00:27:37,823 --> 00:27:42,369
- I, unfortunately, um,
was one of the people who
513
00:27:42,369 --> 00:27:44,288
judged her when she got back.
514
00:27:46,331 --> 00:27:49,710
I just remember just kind of
looking at her and, you know,
515
00:27:49,710 --> 00:27:51,920
having some empathy
for what she went through,
516
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,423
but also having
so many questions.
517
00:27:54,423 --> 00:27:57,634
I said,
you seem like you're okay.
518
00:27:57,634 --> 00:28:02,055
She got, like, obviously upset.
519
00:28:02,055 --> 00:28:04,600
She was screaming.
She goes, "I was tied down,
520
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,145
I was electrocuted,
I was raped!"
521
00:28:10,689 --> 00:28:11,899
She said that.
522
00:28:13,859 --> 00:28:16,820
And I wish I can
go back to that day
523
00:28:16,820 --> 00:28:19,448
and just hug her and say,
you know,
524
00:28:19,448 --> 00:28:21,533
"Thank God you're back,"
you know?
525
00:28:21,533 --> 00:28:23,869
And "You got friends in us,
and if you need anything,
526
00:28:23,869 --> 00:28:25,245
let us know."
527
00:28:25,245 --> 00:28:26,872
That's what
should have happened.
528
00:28:30,417 --> 00:28:33,003
ROLAND:
Tina was--was a victim
529
00:28:33,003 --> 00:28:38,133
of destructive publicity
at that time.
530
00:28:38,133 --> 00:28:40,260
Her name was rife,
531
00:28:40,260 --> 00:28:46,516
and she was under
a burning magnifying glass.
532
00:28:46,516 --> 00:28:53,023
The collective memory
of society toward that story
533
00:28:53,023 --> 00:28:56,276
is still a very ambivalent one.
534
00:28:57,778 --> 00:28:59,905
- I did a lot of suppressing
with, you know,
535
00:28:59,905 --> 00:29:01,657
cocaine and drugs.
536
00:29:03,992 --> 00:29:05,744
So I guess I wasn't
loving myself.
537
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,207
I threw all kinds
of elaborate parties.
538
00:29:10,207 --> 00:29:11,833
And that's how
I got through it.
539
00:29:11,833 --> 00:29:16,505
Support system of my friends,
closest friends, and drugs.
540
00:29:16,505 --> 00:29:19,883
- A young woman allegedly left
for dead by Christopher Wilder
541
00:29:19,883 --> 00:29:21,635
is out of the hospital tonight.
542
00:29:21,635 --> 00:29:22,928
16-year-old Dawnette Sue Wilt,
543
00:29:22,928 --> 00:29:24,346
recovering
from three stab wounds,
544
00:29:24,346 --> 00:29:25,806
was released this morning
and flew home
545
00:29:25,806 --> 00:29:27,516
to Indiana with her parents.
546
00:29:27,516 --> 00:29:29,059
DAWN:
Um, when I first got home,
547
00:29:29,059 --> 00:29:30,477
for those first
couple of weeks,
548
00:29:30,477 --> 00:29:31,812
everybody wanted to make sure
that somebody
549
00:29:31,812 --> 00:29:35,857
was overseeing me,
but I don't think anybody--
550
00:29:35,857 --> 00:29:37,150
and why would they be--
551
00:29:37,150 --> 00:29:41,321
were equipped
to help me through--
552
00:29:41,321 --> 00:29:45,075
you know, there just
wasn't the awareness.
553
00:29:45,075 --> 00:29:48,996
And I was 16-year-old girl
that suffered a ton of trauma.
554
00:29:48,996 --> 00:29:50,664
It's like, okay,
you're back home.
555
00:29:50,664 --> 00:29:53,333
Life resumes itself.
556
00:29:53,333 --> 00:29:58,797
I was back in school within
weeks of what happened to me.
557
00:29:58,797 --> 00:30:03,719
That car came back, and that
was my car, and I drove it.
558
00:30:03,719 --> 00:30:08,181
I very much did not want to be
defined by that incident.
559
00:30:08,181 --> 00:30:10,183
I didn't want people
to feel sorry for me.
560
00:30:12,811 --> 00:30:14,688
And then it catches up
with you.
561
00:30:14,688 --> 00:30:17,149
I didn't go away to school
562
00:30:17,149 --> 00:30:19,651
because I couldn't even
sleep by myself.
563
00:30:19,651 --> 00:30:23,613
I think I realized that I had
PTSD, like, when I was 40.
564
00:30:23,613 --> 00:30:25,323
I started having
panic attacks.
565
00:30:25,323 --> 00:30:28,326
There are triggers
that just come up, right?
566
00:30:28,326 --> 00:30:30,620
That will, you know,
cause a memory.
567
00:30:32,497 --> 00:30:34,666
I think it's just
all stored in there.
568
00:30:37,169 --> 00:30:38,754
REPORTER: The end
to Wilder's murder spree
569
00:30:38,754 --> 00:30:41,715
came too late for the family
and friends of Beth Dodge,
570
00:30:41,715 --> 00:30:43,759
described
as a wonderful mother,
571
00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:46,595
a Sunday school teacher,
and a hard worker.
572
00:30:46,595 --> 00:30:48,764
STEPHANIE: I'm not typically
an angry person,
573
00:30:48,764 --> 00:30:51,141
but when I hear the name
Tina Marie,
574
00:30:51,141 --> 00:30:55,145
I get angry, I guess.
575
00:30:56,813 --> 00:30:59,608
All I've got is what
has been reported.
576
00:30:59,608 --> 00:31:03,570
And I understand,
you know, Tina
577
00:31:03,570 --> 00:31:08,325
was in a traumatic experience,
and she lived through it.
578
00:31:08,325 --> 00:31:10,786
But she's been quiet
for a long time.
579
00:31:10,786 --> 00:31:13,997
She's never really
said her piece of it.
580
00:31:17,125 --> 00:31:18,794
[suspenseful music]
581
00:31:18,794 --> 00:31:20,587
REPORTER: Now the friends
and family of Beth Dodge
582
00:31:20,587 --> 00:31:22,255
have the difficult task
of telling
583
00:31:22,255 --> 00:31:26,343
her four-year-old daughter why
Mommy is never coming back.
584
00:31:26,343 --> 00:31:27,928
STEPHANIE:
I honestly don't know
585
00:31:27,928 --> 00:31:30,138
if it was a show or an article
586
00:31:30,138 --> 00:31:34,101
throughout the years that
shed a little bit of light,
587
00:31:34,101 --> 00:31:38,980
but I'm under the impression
that Tina's job for him
588
00:31:38,980 --> 00:31:45,987
was to approach the other women
for the time that he had her.
589
00:31:45,987 --> 00:31:50,492
I guess, really, I would
just ask for the truth.
590
00:31:50,492 --> 00:31:54,538
And I could deal with it any--
any way that it was.
591
00:32:10,554 --> 00:32:12,639
- I was in the car
the whole time.
592
00:32:15,183 --> 00:32:18,687
It's--I mean, I didn't
expect him to kill her.
593
00:32:18,687 --> 00:32:22,065
I thought he would just
take her car, you know?
594
00:32:22,065 --> 00:32:25,402
I didn't--
that was a shock for me.
595
00:32:25,402 --> 00:32:28,155
It was just fast.
Boom-boom-boom-boom.
596
00:32:28,155 --> 00:32:30,240
He approached her with the gun,
pushed her in the car,
597
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,243
took it over,
and immediately follow.
598
00:32:33,243 --> 00:32:35,328
Yeah, it was very horrific.
599
00:32:38,206 --> 00:32:39,833
I hope I give her closure.
600
00:32:41,751 --> 00:32:44,629
I'm sorry your mom's not here.
601
00:32:44,629 --> 00:32:47,090
You have to live your life
without your mother.
602
00:32:49,050 --> 00:32:53,263
And I guess because I'm so,
uh, monotone about this,
603
00:32:53,263 --> 00:32:58,101
is because I had to be
so suppressed at the time
604
00:32:58,101 --> 00:33:01,313
with him, that still today,
I'm still
605
00:33:01,313 --> 00:33:04,941
in that frame of mind
when I have to talk about it
606
00:33:04,941 --> 00:33:08,862
'cause it's--I'm still trapped,
607
00:33:08,862 --> 00:33:11,198
compartmentalized
in that moment
608
00:33:11,198 --> 00:33:15,243
of his Jedi mindfuck on me.
609
00:33:15,243 --> 00:33:18,246
[serene music]
610
00:33:18,246 --> 00:33:21,875
♪ ♪
611
00:33:25,754 --> 00:33:27,797
- It made me very independent.
612
00:33:27,797 --> 00:33:33,178
I was an only child for the
most part, and my mom was gone.
613
00:33:33,178 --> 00:33:34,596
Um...
614
00:33:34,596 --> 00:33:40,227
my dad turned to alcohol
after that.
615
00:33:40,227 --> 00:33:44,189
So he was a great dad, uh,
616
00:33:44,189 --> 00:33:47,359
in that he always
took care of me,
617
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:49,444
you know, cooked dinner
and all that.
618
00:33:51,988 --> 00:33:54,532
But at night when he would
come home from work,
619
00:33:54,532 --> 00:33:56,743
he'd stay there,
and he would just drink
620
00:33:56,743 --> 00:33:58,954
until he went to bed.
621
00:33:58,954 --> 00:34:03,208
And, um, so I had to grow up.
622
00:34:03,208 --> 00:34:04,834
It was just me.
623
00:34:07,379 --> 00:34:12,676
You know, it's not just
his immediate victims
624
00:34:12,676 --> 00:34:15,262
that he affected.
625
00:34:15,262 --> 00:34:17,597
PARENT 1:
We want to find our daughter.
626
00:34:17,597 --> 00:34:18,848
PARENT 2:
I don't think I'm ever gonna
627
00:34:18,848 --> 00:34:20,517
find anybody to replace her.
628
00:34:21,935 --> 00:34:24,938
PARENT 3: I just wanted
to know where, when,
629
00:34:24,938 --> 00:34:26,648
why he chose her.
630
00:34:29,025 --> 00:34:31,820
STEPHANIE:
It's so many more people
631
00:34:31,820 --> 00:34:35,782
for such a long period
of time.
632
00:34:35,782 --> 00:34:39,286
REPORTER 1: Delta Flight 1187,
a nonstop flight from Boston
633
00:34:39,286 --> 00:34:42,539
carrying the body of reputed
mass murderer Chris Wilder,
634
00:34:42,539 --> 00:34:44,291
landed about 7:00 tonight
635
00:34:44,291 --> 00:34:46,126
at West Palm Beach
International.
636
00:34:46,126 --> 00:34:48,253
Minutes later,
a casket wrapped
637
00:34:48,253 --> 00:34:49,754
in a cardboard shipping box
638
00:34:49,754 --> 00:34:52,799
was carted out onto a Delta
air cargo loading dock
639
00:34:52,799 --> 00:34:54,718
and placed into
a waiting hearse.
640
00:34:57,220 --> 00:34:59,055
REPORTER 2: Christopher
Wilder's death on Friday
641
00:34:59,055 --> 00:35:01,850
came just hours after his
brother made a private appeal
642
00:35:01,850 --> 00:35:02,892
for his surrender.
643
00:35:30,295 --> 00:35:32,297
REPORTER 2: With permission
from the Wilder family,
644
00:35:32,297 --> 00:35:34,632
authorities kept the body
at the medical examiner's
645
00:35:34,632 --> 00:35:36,051
for several hours.
646
00:35:36,051 --> 00:35:38,928
Here, a plaster cast
of Wilder's jaw was made,
647
00:35:38,928 --> 00:35:41,806
and a series of photos
were taken of the body.
648
00:35:41,806 --> 00:35:45,310
- Well, there are several
investigations still going on.
649
00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:47,854
The plaster cast,
the photographs
650
00:35:47,854 --> 00:35:51,274
may assist the locals in
either pinning Wilder to it
651
00:35:51,274 --> 00:35:54,569
or, uh, excluding him
from being a suspect.
652
00:35:54,569 --> 00:35:57,739
- For a lot of detectives,
Wilder is the white whale case
653
00:35:57,739 --> 00:35:59,658
of their careers.
654
00:35:59,658 --> 00:36:01,618
The one they couldn't stop.
655
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,790
There were the women that
we know that he killed,
656
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:09,501
and then there are others
who keep appearing.
657
00:36:09,501 --> 00:36:11,127
REPORTER:
17-year-old Mary Opitz
658
00:36:11,127 --> 00:36:13,672
vanished in January of 1981.
659
00:36:13,672 --> 00:36:16,007
18-year-old Mary Hare
disappeared
660
00:36:16,007 --> 00:36:18,259
from the same mall
in February of that year.
661
00:36:18,259 --> 00:36:20,970
Another disappearance happened
in March of this year,
662
00:36:20,970 --> 00:36:22,555
19-year-old Melody Gay.
663
00:36:22,555 --> 00:36:25,350
DUNCAN: Wilder is
probably responsible
664
00:36:25,350 --> 00:36:28,895
for upwards of 14 murders
across two countries
665
00:36:28,895 --> 00:36:30,939
over a period of 20 years.
666
00:36:36,319 --> 00:36:38,405
In Australia,
he might be responsible
667
00:36:38,405 --> 00:36:40,448
for the Wanda Beach Murders,
668
00:36:40,448 --> 00:36:42,325
one of the most
notorious crimes
669
00:36:42,325 --> 00:36:43,910
in Australian history.
670
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:45,495
REPORTER:
Police search Wanda Beach
671
00:36:45,495 --> 00:36:48,289
after two teenage girls
are found murdered.
672
00:36:48,289 --> 00:36:50,542
15-year-old friends
Marianne Schmidt
673
00:36:50,542 --> 00:36:52,752
and Christine Sharrock
had taken their brothers
674
00:36:52,752 --> 00:36:54,462
and sisters for a day out.
675
00:36:54,462 --> 00:36:58,591
The pair was last spotted
with an unknown teenage boy.
676
00:36:58,591 --> 00:37:01,219
DUNCAN: A good-looking young
bloke, late teens, early 20s.
677
00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:03,179
Sandy blonde hair.
678
00:37:03,179 --> 00:37:06,474
At the time, Christopher Wilder
was almost 20.
679
00:37:06,474 --> 00:37:08,518
REPORTER: They were seen
to disappear with that youth
680
00:37:08,518 --> 00:37:09,811
into the sand dunes.
681
00:37:09,811 --> 00:37:11,271
DUNCAN: They'd been
sexually assaulted
682
00:37:11,271 --> 00:37:12,647
then stabbed to death.
683
00:37:12,647 --> 00:37:15,483
It was an utterly
horrific crime.
684
00:37:15,483 --> 00:37:17,736
And that Wanda Beach murder
prompted, at that point,
685
00:37:17,736 --> 00:37:21,489
the biggest manhunt
in Australian history.
686
00:37:21,489 --> 00:37:24,117
They have semen samples
and blood samples
687
00:37:24,117 --> 00:37:25,869
they believe belong
to the killer.
688
00:37:32,542 --> 00:37:35,336
- Sadly, when they went looking
for it, when DNA came in,
689
00:37:35,336 --> 00:37:36,754
it had been misfiled
and no one's
690
00:37:36,754 --> 00:37:38,923
ever been able to find it.
691
00:37:38,923 --> 00:37:41,676
So that one bit of evidence
692
00:37:41,676 --> 00:37:43,887
that could prove
that Christopher Wilder
693
00:37:43,887 --> 00:37:47,098
was the killer or wasn't
the killer is missing.
694
00:37:48,683 --> 00:37:52,604
The case
still remains unsolved.
695
00:37:52,604 --> 00:37:55,064
You just have to wonder
how many other people
696
00:37:55,064 --> 00:37:56,399
may be Wilder victims.
697
00:38:01,696 --> 00:38:03,782
REPORTER: The end of Wilder's
bloody cross-country odyssey
698
00:38:03,782 --> 00:38:06,367
has not closed the case.
699
00:38:06,367 --> 00:38:09,788
The FBI is examining the car
in which Wilder shot himself.
700
00:38:09,788 --> 00:38:12,332
The most significant find
may be this briefcase
701
00:38:12,332 --> 00:38:14,876
containing bloodstained tape,
a knife,
702
00:38:14,876 --> 00:38:18,087
gun holster, passport, $4,900,
703
00:38:18,087 --> 00:38:21,174
as well as photographs
of several unidentified women,
704
00:38:21,174 --> 00:38:23,218
the kind Wilder
reportedly enticed
705
00:38:23,218 --> 00:38:24,928
with promises
of modeling jobs.
706
00:38:26,387 --> 00:38:30,225
TIM: He had Beth's keys,
he had all her personal stuff.
707
00:38:30,225 --> 00:38:33,895
I mean,
the reality sunk in that,
708
00:38:33,895 --> 00:38:37,148
you know,
probably never gonna find out
709
00:38:37,148 --> 00:38:41,402
where she's at unless
someone else had information.
710
00:38:41,402 --> 00:38:42,946
[somber music]
711
00:38:42,946 --> 00:38:47,492
- My parents, they were
trying to hang on to something
712
00:38:47,492 --> 00:38:49,244
that would find Beth.
713
00:38:49,244 --> 00:38:52,789
- We're just going on
the theory that possibly, uh,
714
00:38:52,789 --> 00:38:57,085
liking Beth so much, as he did,
that he really didn't harm her.
715
00:38:59,212 --> 00:39:02,715
BILL:
When my mom passed away--
716
00:39:02,715 --> 00:39:07,512
and she passed away
pretty young, 59--
717
00:39:07,512 --> 00:39:10,014
she died of a broken heart.
718
00:39:10,014 --> 00:39:16,646
♪ ♪
719
00:39:16,646 --> 00:39:18,565
TIM: A lot of reasons
to be hateful
720
00:39:18,565 --> 00:39:20,733
towards Christopher Wilder,
right?
721
00:39:23,194 --> 00:39:27,156
But if I ever feel
really angry about him,
722
00:39:27,156 --> 00:39:31,077
is what he took
from our family was the chance
723
00:39:31,077 --> 00:39:33,955
to be a family, right?
724
00:39:33,955 --> 00:39:35,331
With my kids.
725
00:39:38,084 --> 00:39:39,085
So.
726
00:39:39,085 --> 00:39:46,092
♪ ♪
727
00:39:47,093 --> 00:39:50,513
JOHN: It's sad--we never found
Rosario Gonzalez
728
00:39:50,513 --> 00:39:54,058
or Elizabeth Kenyon's body.
729
00:39:54,058 --> 00:39:56,352
The poor families
have to live with it.
730
00:39:58,438 --> 00:40:00,315
And there's no doubt
in my mind
731
00:40:00,315 --> 00:40:02,483
that he killed other girls.
732
00:40:03,776 --> 00:40:07,572
You gotta figure
this is not all he did.
733
00:40:07,572 --> 00:40:11,784
But I don't know what else
more we could have done.
734
00:40:11,784 --> 00:40:15,872
You wanna be able to feel
like you did all you could do.
735
00:40:17,999 --> 00:40:19,500
JOHN:
Well, I do. Yes, I do.
736
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:24,047
And I'm not saying that--
737
00:40:24,047 --> 00:40:27,383
I'd tell you, you know?
738
00:40:27,383 --> 00:40:31,429
You gotta be able to live
with yourself, you know?
739
00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:35,433
TINA: I have two regrets:
getting in the car
740
00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:38,478
and taking Dawn.
741
00:40:38,478 --> 00:40:39,896
It was a choice.
742
00:40:39,896 --> 00:40:41,564
It wasn't mine,
but it was a choice,
743
00:40:41,564 --> 00:40:43,066
and I have to live with that.
744
00:40:46,861 --> 00:40:48,446
DAWN: While it would not
have happened to me
745
00:40:48,446 --> 00:40:51,491
if it were not for her,
I think she was a victim
746
00:40:51,491 --> 00:40:54,744
and did what she felt like
she needed to do
747
00:40:54,744 --> 00:40:56,496
to, you know, stay alive.
748
00:40:56,496 --> 00:40:59,916
Like, it's a survival mechanism
like we all have.
749
00:40:59,916 --> 00:41:01,042
Yeah.
750
00:41:01,042 --> 00:41:08,049
♪ ♪
751
00:41:14,681 --> 00:41:16,974
- After, uh,
redoing our investigation,
752
00:41:16,974 --> 00:41:19,435
the United States
Attorney's Office in Buffalo
753
00:41:19,435 --> 00:41:22,689
has declined to prosecute
Ms. Risico, uh,
754
00:41:22,689 --> 00:41:24,941
for any of her involvement
in the kidnapping
755
00:41:24,941 --> 00:41:29,070
of, uh, Ms. Wilt in Indiana
and her transportation
756
00:41:29,070 --> 00:41:30,613
to the Buffalo area.
757
00:41:30,613 --> 00:41:33,074
REPORTER: So is that
a final decision on her?
758
00:41:45,837 --> 00:41:49,215
- [scoffs]
Um...
759
00:41:51,217 --> 00:41:53,094
Have they had a good life?
760
00:41:59,350 --> 00:42:02,145
Because I truly hope they have.
761
00:42:02,145 --> 00:42:04,772
Um...
762
00:42:04,772 --> 00:42:10,445
I would hope somebody
doesn't survive that
763
00:42:10,445 --> 00:42:13,948
and then have to live
the rest of their years
764
00:42:13,948 --> 00:42:16,993
in torture because of it.
765
00:42:16,993 --> 00:42:22,165
So...I would just, uh...
766
00:42:24,125 --> 00:42:25,918
I would ask them
if they've had a good life
767
00:42:25,918 --> 00:42:29,172
because I hope that somehow,
768
00:42:29,172 --> 00:42:32,091
through it all,
they found peace.
769
00:42:35,303 --> 00:42:37,346
DAWN: It has not been
an easy ride,
770
00:42:37,346 --> 00:42:39,807
but there's been
some incredible joy
771
00:42:39,807 --> 00:42:42,977
and incredible satisfaction.
772
00:42:42,977 --> 00:42:46,439
I have two beautiful children
that, you know, I live for.
773
00:42:46,439 --> 00:42:48,733
Um, we have lots of laughs
and fun,
774
00:42:48,733 --> 00:42:51,569
and, you know, some days are
hard and some days are amazing.
775
00:42:51,569 --> 00:42:53,571
And it is just this journey.
776
00:42:53,571 --> 00:42:55,865
And I don't think that
time heals all wounds,
777
00:42:55,865 --> 00:42:59,702
but time certainly
helps you, um,
778
00:42:59,702 --> 00:43:02,538
be able to, like,
sit here today, right?
779
00:43:02,538 --> 00:43:09,504
♪ ♪
780
00:43:12,131 --> 00:43:16,135
TINA: When I came back, as I
mentioned, I was closed off.
781
00:43:16,135 --> 00:43:18,012
I was in a lot of anger.
782
00:43:21,474 --> 00:43:26,104
Hurt my grandma
all the time, my closest--
783
00:43:26,104 --> 00:43:30,108
closest person to me, and I
wish I could take that back,
784
00:43:30,108 --> 00:43:32,693
but it was because I was
dealing with this
785
00:43:32,693 --> 00:43:34,153
internally by myself.
786
00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:38,032
So I was an introvert.
787
00:43:41,994 --> 00:43:44,122
But Lou broke me out of that.
788
00:43:44,122 --> 00:43:47,041
A friend, Bruce Brush,
did this for our anniversary.
789
00:43:47,041 --> 00:43:49,836
8-25 is when we got married.
I married Lou.
790
00:43:49,836 --> 00:43:51,128
And me in Vegas.
791
00:43:51,128 --> 00:43:54,799
[sentimental music]
792
00:43:54,799 --> 00:43:57,844
Lou was well aware
of every detail of my ordeal.
793
00:43:57,844 --> 00:44:00,304
And he was so laid-back,
big heart,
794
00:44:00,304 --> 00:44:03,766
that it changed me
to become myself,
795
00:44:03,766 --> 00:44:07,144
my true self, finally,
at, you know,
796
00:44:07,144 --> 00:44:08,479
32 years old.
797
00:44:08,479 --> 00:44:10,022
I had to become myself then.
798
00:44:10,022 --> 00:44:11,482
JACKIE:
Three days a week.
799
00:44:11,482 --> 00:44:13,317
Hi, Tina.
800
00:44:13,317 --> 00:44:15,194
The woman of the hour.
801
00:44:15,194 --> 00:44:16,779
TINA:
I turned myself around.
802
00:44:16,779 --> 00:44:19,073
Got sober.
803
00:44:19,073 --> 00:44:21,742
I'm--you know, I'm living
my best life now.
804
00:44:21,742 --> 00:44:24,871
Hi, Jackie.
- It's okay.
805
00:44:24,871 --> 00:44:26,914
TINA:
Hi, Sherry. Hi, Buck.
806
00:44:26,914 --> 00:44:29,041
Look at you, you're all great.
807
00:44:29,041 --> 00:44:30,918
Oh, my God!
808
00:44:30,918 --> 00:44:32,253
Hi, Holly.
809
00:44:32,253 --> 00:44:33,713
[overlapping speech]
810
00:44:33,713 --> 00:44:35,214
Yes, you are.
811
00:44:35,214 --> 00:44:37,925
Hi, baby.
812
00:44:37,925 --> 00:44:39,635
I'm so glad you made it.
- Good to see you.
813
00:44:39,635 --> 00:44:41,137
TINA:
Likewise. Hi.
814
00:44:41,137 --> 00:44:42,889
- Hi, hello. Tina Marie.
TINA: Hi, Ricky.
815
00:44:42,889 --> 00:44:44,724
I have
an abundance in my life.
816
00:44:44,724 --> 00:44:46,225
I have lots of loving friends.
817
00:44:46,225 --> 00:44:48,060
They have been there through
thick and thin with me,
818
00:44:48,060 --> 00:44:51,439
ups and downs,
and I love my friends.
819
00:44:51,439 --> 00:44:52,732
- That you are.
820
00:44:52,732 --> 00:44:54,734
PERSON: So it's nice
to officially meet you.
821
00:44:54,734 --> 00:44:56,777
TINA: I may not see them
every day of my life,
822
00:44:56,777 --> 00:44:58,196
but that's what
good friends are about.
823
00:44:58,196 --> 00:44:59,947
It doesn't have to be
like every day.
824
00:44:59,947 --> 00:45:02,909
- Tina, how has this experience
been for you?
825
00:45:02,909 --> 00:45:06,120
- Uh, cathartic. Uh...
826
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,538
RICK:
Can you spell that?
827
00:45:07,538 --> 00:45:08,748
[laughter]
828
00:45:08,748 --> 00:45:10,082
- Not really.
829
00:45:10,082 --> 00:45:11,459
RICK: No one said
there's gonna be big words.
830
00:45:11,459 --> 00:45:14,086
- Cathartic. Uh, uh...
831
00:45:14,086 --> 00:45:17,006
eye-opening, um...
832
00:45:17,006 --> 00:45:19,592
I had forgotten some things
or suppressed them,
833
00:45:19,592 --> 00:45:21,093
not really a--same difference.
834
00:45:21,093 --> 00:45:23,804
Uh, and then having to read
some things that I forgot
835
00:45:23,804 --> 00:45:26,891
that happened to me that
kind of, you know, jarred me.
836
00:45:26,891 --> 00:45:29,435
PERSON: I, for one,
was always concerned
837
00:45:29,435 --> 00:45:31,687
that she never talked about it.
- Yes.
838
00:45:31,687 --> 00:45:37,276
- And last night, she called me
and she told me things that--
839
00:45:37,276 --> 00:45:38,486
- Yeah.
840
00:45:38,486 --> 00:45:39,820
TINA: See, I never talked
about it with people
841
00:45:39,820 --> 00:45:42,198
because it's hard
to understand.
842
00:45:42,198 --> 00:45:44,867
And you're gonna like, oh, my
God, you're out of your mind.
843
00:45:44,867 --> 00:45:46,369
How could that have happened?
844
00:45:46,369 --> 00:45:48,204
How could you say, like,
how did that happen?
845
00:45:48,204 --> 00:45:50,790
So I never talked
to any of you about it
846
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:53,209
because I didn't wanna
have to explain.
847
00:45:53,209 --> 00:45:56,003
- Do you think that
what you went through
848
00:45:56,003 --> 00:46:00,007
as an innocent child
helped you survive?
849
00:46:00,007 --> 00:46:01,968
I mean, do you--
do you correlate that?
850
00:46:01,968 --> 00:46:03,427
- Oh, the survivor skills
kicked in
851
00:46:03,427 --> 00:46:05,096
because of how Mom
brought me up.
852
00:46:05,096 --> 00:46:12,103
♪ ♪
853
00:46:19,568 --> 00:46:23,322
I have been approached for all
these years many, many times.
854
00:46:23,322 --> 00:46:25,616
Doing a couple of shows.
855
00:46:25,616 --> 00:46:29,787
And it just only
focused on him.
856
00:46:29,787 --> 00:46:32,039
And then it didn't
express who I am.
857
00:46:37,336 --> 00:46:39,547
DAWN: I have never watched,
listened,
858
00:46:39,547 --> 00:46:41,966
read about anything about this
859
00:46:41,966 --> 00:46:44,719
because, you know, it was
my experience, I had it.
860
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,763
But I do remember somebody
saying to me that, um,
861
00:46:47,763 --> 00:46:49,682
he had actually did turn around
862
00:46:49,682 --> 00:46:53,102
to see if I was still there
and alive.
863
00:46:55,354 --> 00:46:58,524
I love that he knew that.
864
00:46:58,524 --> 00:47:00,735
You know, that he came back
for me and I was gone.
865
00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:09,660
And so I think
this project in particular
866
00:47:09,660 --> 00:47:12,079
was compelling for me
because this really
867
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:15,082
is a story about survival.
868
00:47:15,082 --> 00:47:17,293
And the other victims
and their families
869
00:47:17,293 --> 00:47:20,838
having an opportunity to
share who they were as people.
870
00:47:20,838 --> 00:47:24,425
They were much more than what
happened to them at the end.
871
00:47:28,054 --> 00:47:30,473
TINA: And I hope after this
comes out, that somebody
872
00:47:30,473 --> 00:47:34,602
can find strength from what
I've given in my side
873
00:47:34,602 --> 00:47:37,271
of the story, my truth.
874
00:47:38,731 --> 00:47:40,900
I hope they can, uh,
gather something from it
875
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:42,443
and walk away
with inspiration.
876
00:47:46,447 --> 00:47:48,032
Don't take shit from nobody.
877
00:47:50,368 --> 00:47:52,912
Only you can dictate
who you are.
878
00:47:52,912 --> 00:47:59,877
♪ ♪
879
00:48:44,130 --> 00:48:47,133
[somber music]
880
00:48:47,133 --> 00:48:54,140
♪ ♪
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