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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,517 --> 00:00:14,589 CHRIS BELL: January 23, 1984. 2 00:00:14,590 --> 00:00:17,161 It was a day that changed my life forever. 3 00:00:17,162 --> 00:00:19,733 PRESIDENT REAGAN: ...The muscle, the moral courage that built 4 00:00:19,734 --> 00:00:22,639 the greatest, freest nation the world has ever known. 5 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,376 CHRIS: Ronald Reagan was our President 6 00:00:24,377 --> 00:00:26,413 and there was trouble brewing in Iran. 7 00:00:26,414 --> 00:00:28,150 I was just a kid, 8 00:00:28,151 --> 00:00:30,188 but I knew who was behind it. 9 00:00:30,189 --> 00:00:32,159 His name was The Iron Sheik. 10 00:00:32,160 --> 00:00:34,797 ANNOUNCER: From Tehran, Iran, 11 00:00:34,798 --> 00:00:38,071 weighing 258 lbs, 12 00:00:38,072 --> 00:00:40,944 The Iron Sheik! 13 00:00:40,945 --> 00:00:43,448 COMMENTATOR: They have a lot of hate in their hearts for this man. 14 00:00:43,449 --> 00:00:48,359 Iran-- number one! U.S.A.-- ( spits ) 15 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,132 CHRIS: You see, Reagan may have freed the hostages 16 00:00:51,133 --> 00:00:54,371 but The Sheik still had the championship belt. 17 00:00:54,372 --> 00:00:56,309 There was only one man 18 00:00:56,310 --> 00:00:58,313 that could save us. 19 00:00:58,314 --> 00:01:01,453 # I am a real American... # 20 00:01:01,454 --> 00:01:04,860 ANNOUNCER: From Venice Beach, California, 21 00:01:04,861 --> 00:01:09,971 the incredible Hulk Hogan! 22 00:01:09,972 --> 00:01:12,476 COMMENTATOR: And the Hulkster rips off that shirt. 23 00:01:12,477 --> 00:01:14,947 CHRIS: But three minutes into the match 24 00:01:14,948 --> 00:01:17,888 Hulk Hogan was locked in the dreaded camel clutch. 25 00:01:17,889 --> 00:01:19,557 COMMENTATOR: It's over for the Hulk. 26 00:01:19,558 --> 00:01:21,795 CHRIS: This move would snap the back of a normal man, 27 00:01:21,796 --> 00:01:23,900 But this wasn't a normal man. 28 00:01:23,901 --> 00:01:25,503 This was Hulk Hogan 29 00:01:25,504 --> 00:01:28,142 and he was fighting for our country. 30 00:01:28,143 --> 00:01:30,881 The Hulkster got out of the camel clutch 31 00:01:30,882 --> 00:01:32,752 with the Sheik on his back, 32 00:01:32,753 --> 00:01:34,622 dropped the big leg 33 00:01:34,623 --> 00:01:36,626 and he pinned the Sheik. 34 00:01:36,627 --> 00:01:39,132 Hulkamania was born and the message was clear-- 35 00:01:39,133 --> 00:01:41,136 You don't mess with Hulk Hogan 36 00:01:41,137 --> 00:01:42,973 and you certainly don't mess with America. 37 00:01:47,984 --> 00:01:49,420 I must break you. 38 00:01:49,421 --> 00:01:51,591 CHRIS: Look what happened to Ivan Drago. 39 00:01:51,592 --> 00:01:53,027 He tried to mess with America 40 00:01:53,028 --> 00:01:55,031 and Rocky kicked his ass. 41 00:01:55,032 --> 00:01:57,336 And then when the Vietnamese were holding P.O.W.S 42 00:01:57,337 --> 00:01:59,874 Rambo went in and he kicked their ass. 43 00:01:59,875 --> 00:02:01,878 And in the spirit of Rambo 44 00:02:01,879 --> 00:02:05,286 let me tell you we're gonna win this time. 45 00:02:05,287 --> 00:02:07,290 CHRIS: Then came Arnold Schwarzenegger, 46 00:02:07,291 --> 00:02:09,027 The ultimate ass-kicker. 47 00:02:09,028 --> 00:02:11,966 I never saw "Gone With the Wind" or "Casablanca," 48 00:02:11,967 --> 00:02:15,039 but I can tell you every line of every Arnold movie. 49 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,045 "Crush your enemies, see them driven before you 50 00:02:18,046 --> 00:02:20,550 and hear the lamentations of the women." 51 00:02:20,551 --> 00:02:23,256 ( mimics ) "Dylan, you son of a bitch." 52 00:02:23,257 --> 00:02:26,262 And they go bam! And they're all oiled up and their veins are popping out. 53 00:02:26,263 --> 00:02:28,601 I have the power! 54 00:02:28,602 --> 00:02:31,440 TV ANNOUNCER: Better, Stronger, Faster. 55 00:02:31,441 --> 00:02:32,943 CHRIS: I was just 12 years old 56 00:02:32,944 --> 00:02:35,648 and there was an explosion of ass-kicking in America. 57 00:02:35,649 --> 00:02:37,485 REAGAN: And like our Olympic athletes 58 00:02:37,486 --> 00:02:39,257 we set our sights on the stars 59 00:02:39,258 --> 00:02:40,927 and we're going for the gold. 60 00:02:40,928 --> 00:02:43,466 # the eye of the tiger. # 61 00:02:45,906 --> 00:02:47,909 CHRIS: I wanted to tear off my shirt 62 00:02:47,910 --> 00:02:50,948 and be ripped, tanned and larger than life. 63 00:02:50,949 --> 00:02:52,385 But in reality 64 00:02:52,386 --> 00:02:55,157 I was a fat, pale kid from Poughkeepsie. 65 00:02:55,158 --> 00:02:56,760 You see, I come from an overweight family. 66 00:02:56,761 --> 00:02:59,566 My parents were always a little on the heavy side. 67 00:02:59,567 --> 00:03:01,570 I couldn't ask for a better mom. 68 00:03:01,571 --> 00:03:03,240 She did everything for her three boys. 69 00:03:03,241 --> 00:03:04,977 We went to church three times a week 70 00:03:04,978 --> 00:03:07,015 and she even taught Sunday school. 71 00:03:07,016 --> 00:03:09,286 My dad was always there for us too 72 00:03:09,287 --> 00:03:12,559 and he even coached our little league teams. 73 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,666 I love my dad, but he was never really my hero. 74 00:03:15,667 --> 00:03:17,704 I didn't want to be like him. 75 00:03:17,705 --> 00:03:19,274 I wanted to be like Arnold. 76 00:03:19,275 --> 00:03:22,714 Problem is, I was always too small, too short. 77 00:03:22,715 --> 00:03:25,486 People would say, "Hey, Little Bell. What's up, Little Bell?" 78 00:03:25,487 --> 00:03:27,490 And I didn't want to be Little Bell. 79 00:03:27,491 --> 00:03:29,495 I wanted to be Big Bell. 80 00:03:29,496 --> 00:03:32,033 My older brother Mike was a little chubby 81 00:03:32,034 --> 00:03:34,272 and every morning when he went to school 82 00:03:34,273 --> 00:03:36,877 he'd get on the bus and the kids would call him Pugsley. 83 00:03:36,878 --> 00:03:38,748 He didn't like that too much, 84 00:03:38,749 --> 00:03:40,752 so he beat some of those kids up. 85 00:03:40,753 --> 00:03:44,225 That's where he got the nickname "Mad Dog." 86 00:03:44,226 --> 00:03:46,297 Mark was the baby of the family. 87 00:03:46,298 --> 00:03:48,334 He had a hard time in school. 88 00:03:48,335 --> 00:03:49,838 He was separated from his friends 89 00:03:49,839 --> 00:03:51,842 and put in the class with the special kids. 90 00:03:51,843 --> 00:03:54,547 It didn't make him feel very special at all. 91 00:03:54,548 --> 00:03:56,183 He hated school, 92 00:03:56,184 --> 00:03:58,856 So he spent all of his time playing sports. 93 00:03:58,857 --> 00:04:01,161 He'd come to the dinner table dripping with sweat. 94 00:04:01,162 --> 00:04:04,534 Mad Dog and I nicknamed him "Smelly." 95 00:04:04,535 --> 00:04:07,541 So I was the short kid, Mad Dog was the fat kid 96 00:04:07,542 --> 00:04:09,545 And Smelly had a learning disability. 97 00:04:09,546 --> 00:04:12,151 Okay, I get it. We're never gonna make it, right? 98 00:04:12,152 --> 00:04:15,323 But for us, we knew muscles were the answer 99 00:04:15,324 --> 00:04:17,695 and the Hulkster showed us the way. 100 00:04:17,696 --> 00:04:19,733 Train, say your prayers, eat your vitamins. 101 00:04:19,734 --> 00:04:22,171 Be true to yourself, true to your country. 102 00:04:22,172 --> 00:04:24,643 Be a real American. ( exhales ) 103 00:04:24,644 --> 00:04:27,850 CHRIS: So we started training in the basement. 104 00:04:27,851 --> 00:04:29,252 We'd body-slam each other, 105 00:04:29,253 --> 00:04:31,256 drop elbows, D.D.T.S 106 00:04:31,257 --> 00:04:34,129 Double noggin knocker, the abdominal stretch, 107 00:04:34,130 --> 00:04:36,801 the iron claw, the Boston crab 108 00:04:36,802 --> 00:04:38,003 the piledriver. 109 00:04:38,004 --> 00:04:40,542 And when Mad Dog was too tough for me 110 00:04:40,543 --> 00:04:42,046 I would break out the steel chair. 111 00:04:43,784 --> 00:04:45,954 My mom's brother John was a bodybuilder 112 00:04:45,955 --> 00:04:48,392 and he gave me and my brothers our first muscle magazines 113 00:04:48,393 --> 00:04:50,497 and showed us how to work out. 114 00:04:50,498 --> 00:04:52,667 And the next Christmas instead of video games 115 00:04:52,668 --> 00:04:54,839 we got the Hulkamania workout set. 116 00:04:54,840 --> 00:04:58,412 - Are you ready to feel the power? - ( crowd cheering ) 117 00:04:58,413 --> 00:05:00,985 Ladies and gentlemen, we are 118 00:05:00,986 --> 00:05:03,724 the power team! 119 00:05:03,725 --> 00:05:05,896 CHRIS: Mad Dog became the captain of the football team 120 00:05:05,897 --> 00:05:09,269 and Smelly and I both started competing in power lifting. 121 00:05:09,270 --> 00:05:12,976 ANNOUNCER: Chris Bell is next at 425. 122 00:05:12,977 --> 00:05:16,217 CHRIS: Soon I was the strongest kid in my high school. 123 00:05:16,218 --> 00:05:18,221 Then I broke the New York State record. 124 00:05:18,222 --> 00:05:20,659 And that's when I first got accused of using steroids. 125 00:05:29,345 --> 00:05:31,615 I knew guys who used them, but they were losers. 126 00:05:31,616 --> 00:05:34,655 If my heroes didn't need steroids then neither did I. 127 00:05:34,656 --> 00:05:36,659 By the time I was a senior 128 00:05:36,660 --> 00:05:38,830 I was one of the strongest kids in the country. 129 00:05:38,831 --> 00:05:40,734 Hulk Hogan was always talking about 130 00:05:40,735 --> 00:05:43,673 "hanging and banging down at Gold's Gym, Venice Beach, brother." 131 00:05:43,674 --> 00:05:45,812 I thought, "that's where Arnold trains. 132 00:05:45,813 --> 00:05:47,616 that's where I need to be." 133 00:05:47,617 --> 00:05:49,620 I was gonna be an American hero 134 00:05:49,621 --> 00:05:51,624 And I was willing to do whatever it takes. 135 00:06:03,583 --> 00:06:05,486 ( alarm buzzes ) 136 00:06:09,061 --> 00:06:11,131 ( sighs ) 137 00:06:12,367 --> 00:06:15,373 ( buzzing ) 138 00:06:41,027 --> 00:06:43,398 CHRIS: It's been 15 years since I got to California 139 00:06:43,399 --> 00:06:45,936 and now I'm 33 years old. 140 00:06:45,937 --> 00:06:48,475 When Arnold was 33 he'd already won 141 00:06:48,476 --> 00:06:50,713 the Mr. Olympia seven times. 142 00:06:50,714 --> 00:06:53,452 Stallone had already made "Rocky I and Rocky II." 143 00:06:53,453 --> 00:06:55,456 And the Hulkster had already been 144 00:06:55,457 --> 00:06:58,262 the heavyweight champion four years in a row. 145 00:06:58,263 --> 00:07:01,335 I really thought muscles were gonna be the answer. 146 00:07:01,336 --> 00:07:05,076 But all they got me was a job selling gym memberships. 147 00:07:05,077 --> 00:07:07,280 I still train every day at Gold's, 148 00:07:07,281 --> 00:07:10,721 But the only thing left of Arnold is a cheap mural on the wall 149 00:07:10,722 --> 00:07:13,193 and a bunch of guys telling stories about the old days, 150 00:07:13,194 --> 00:07:14,696 like my buddy Paul. 151 00:07:14,697 --> 00:07:16,934 It's changed a lot in all these years, you know. 152 00:07:16,935 --> 00:07:18,471 How long have you been here? 153 00:07:18,472 --> 00:07:19,940 Since 1980. 154 00:07:19,941 --> 00:07:22,179 Of course, Arnold was on the scene and Arnold-- 155 00:07:22,180 --> 00:07:24,817 Nobody had ever seen anybody who looked like Arnold. 156 00:07:24,818 --> 00:07:27,322 Sylvester Stallone had just done the "Rocky" movies 157 00:07:27,323 --> 00:07:29,360 and he was the type of guy that I could relate to. 158 00:07:29,361 --> 00:07:32,133 CHRIS: Paul even got a chance to work with Sly in "Over the Top." 159 00:07:32,134 --> 00:07:34,037 I should be able to blow them away real easy. 160 00:07:37,812 --> 00:07:40,083 PAUL: I couldn't believe the dream was coming true. 161 00:07:40,084 --> 00:07:41,754 And did you get a chance to do it again? 162 00:07:41,755 --> 00:07:44,393 No, but I'm hoping to get back in shape 163 00:07:44,394 --> 00:07:46,363 to be able to make that a reality. 164 00:07:46,364 --> 00:07:48,401 You can be on the street one day 165 00:07:48,402 --> 00:07:50,571 and you can be in the penthouse the next. 166 00:07:50,572 --> 00:07:51,841 Anything's possible. 167 00:07:54,982 --> 00:07:56,651 This is my humble abode. 168 00:07:56,652 --> 00:07:58,422 - Your humble abode right here? - Yeah. 169 00:07:58,423 --> 00:08:00,693 So do you actually live in the van? 170 00:08:00,694 --> 00:08:02,430 I actually live-- well, I sleep in it, 171 00:08:02,431 --> 00:08:03,866 let's put it this way, yes. 172 00:08:03,867 --> 00:08:06,204 You sleep in it. And then you train over here. 173 00:08:06,205 --> 00:08:08,810 I train here, yeah. 174 00:08:08,811 --> 00:08:10,380 You would see vans like this-- 175 00:08:10,381 --> 00:08:12,351 Guys would come from all over the world, 176 00:08:12,352 --> 00:08:14,355 sleep in their cars, this and that-- 177 00:08:14,356 --> 00:08:16,559 Anything to get a chance to train at Gold's Gym 178 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,498 because we had something special here. 179 00:08:19,499 --> 00:08:21,035 What would you say to people that say, 180 00:08:21,036 --> 00:08:24,476 "the dream's over, man. You're 50 years old." 181 00:08:24,477 --> 00:08:26,213 What would you say to those people? 182 00:08:26,214 --> 00:08:29,352 They're the ones that are short-sighted. 183 00:08:29,353 --> 00:08:32,392 Now in six months I could still be in the van, 184 00:08:32,393 --> 00:08:34,329 but if I can outlift everybody, 185 00:08:34,330 --> 00:08:37,336 I can outsquat them, outbench them, out-dead-lift them, 186 00:08:37,337 --> 00:08:39,340 - Who's the king? - ( chuckles ) 187 00:08:39,341 --> 00:08:40,876 Guys like you and me 188 00:08:40,877 --> 00:08:43,515 Can fulfill our dreams. 189 00:08:43,516 --> 00:08:45,185 We can train. 190 00:08:45,186 --> 00:08:48,324 Game ain't over. The sun is shining. 191 00:08:50,063 --> 00:08:52,367 And it ain't over. 192 00:08:52,368 --> 00:08:54,538 CHRIS: Is that gonna be me in 20 years? 193 00:08:54,539 --> 00:08:56,710 I did everything my heroes said-- 194 00:08:56,711 --> 00:08:58,847 I trained, I said my prayers, 195 00:08:58,848 --> 00:09:01,085 I had my vitamins. Where did I go wrong? 196 00:09:06,597 --> 00:09:09,335 - Hey, good morning. - Good morning. 197 00:09:09,336 --> 00:09:11,707 How are you? 198 00:09:11,708 --> 00:09:14,480 I always make the cookie bars 'cause cookie bars are important. 199 00:09:14,481 --> 00:09:16,049 What teams did you make these for? 200 00:09:16,050 --> 00:09:17,786 I made them for Arlington football teams 201 00:09:17,787 --> 00:09:19,690 first time ever they won a ball game. 202 00:09:19,691 --> 00:09:21,962 They used to call them "Rosie's cookie bars" 203 00:09:21,963 --> 00:09:24,567 and they really believe that they help them win all the games. 204 00:09:24,568 --> 00:09:26,872 Wouldn't that be like performance enhancement? 205 00:09:26,873 --> 00:09:30,011 It's not an enhancement. It's a little bit of sugar, 206 00:09:30,012 --> 00:09:32,283 which can get you going, carbs. 207 00:09:32,284 --> 00:09:34,087 But it's all natural ingredients. 208 00:09:34,088 --> 00:09:37,360 There's no steroids in here. 209 00:09:37,361 --> 00:09:40,867 Eating your mom's cooking is sort of comforting, don't you think? 210 00:09:40,868 --> 00:09:42,271 Sure. 211 00:09:42,272 --> 00:09:43,974 Things change, 212 00:09:43,975 --> 00:09:46,980 but the cookie bars remain, that's for sure. 213 00:09:46,981 --> 00:09:48,884 CHRIS: My mom likes to think 214 00:09:48,885 --> 00:09:50,955 that the world is as pure as her cookie bars. 215 00:09:50,956 --> 00:09:52,959 But life isn't always like that. 216 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,731 And a lot of things we grew up believing ended up not being true. 217 00:09:55,732 --> 00:09:59,072 First I found out there's no such thing as Santa Claus 218 00:09:59,073 --> 00:10:01,143 or the easter bunny. That kind of sucks. 219 00:10:01,144 --> 00:10:02,947 Then I saw this news report. 220 00:10:02,948 --> 00:10:05,251 REPORTER: The Iron Sheik had been arrested recently 221 00:10:05,252 --> 00:10:07,256 along with wrestler Hacksaw Jim Duggan 222 00:10:07,257 --> 00:10:09,560 while driving along the Garden State Parkway. 223 00:10:09,561 --> 00:10:13,001 The Iron Sheik was charged with possession of cocaine and marijuana. 224 00:10:13,002 --> 00:10:15,607 What has interested most wrestling fans in this case 225 00:10:15,608 --> 00:10:18,613 is that the Iron Sheik and Hacksaw are known to be adversaries. 226 00:10:18,614 --> 00:10:20,617 So why were they traveling together? 227 00:10:20,618 --> 00:10:23,055 CHRIS: Yeah, I thought these guys hated each other. 228 00:10:23,056 --> 00:10:25,928 COMMENTATOR: Wham! Right on the back of the Iron Sheik! 229 00:10:25,929 --> 00:10:28,299 CHRIS: Was their feud all made up? 230 00:10:28,300 --> 00:10:30,136 Was wrestling fake? 231 00:10:30,137 --> 00:10:32,575 Who's left to believe in anymore? 232 00:10:32,576 --> 00:10:34,813 Well, at least I still had my heroes. 233 00:10:34,814 --> 00:10:36,750 Those guys would never let me down. 234 00:10:36,751 --> 00:10:39,322 # I need a hero... # 235 00:10:39,323 --> 00:10:41,694 REPORTER: Today Hogan admits the famous physique 236 00:10:41,695 --> 00:10:43,832 was the result of 12 years of steroids. 237 00:10:43,833 --> 00:10:47,974 CHRIS: Truth is, all my heroes had a dirty little secret. 238 00:10:47,975 --> 00:10:50,445 Hollywood actor Sylvester Stallone has been charged 239 00:10:50,446 --> 00:10:52,449 with importing bodybuilding drugs 240 00:10:52,450 --> 00:10:54,421 when he visited Australia last month. 241 00:10:54,422 --> 00:10:56,325 - MAN: Did you take steroids? - I take them. 242 00:10:56,326 --> 00:10:58,729 I took them, yeah, up until the competition. 243 00:10:58,730 --> 00:11:00,733 CHRIS: I was always against steroids 244 00:11:00,734 --> 00:11:03,005 and when I found out that all my heroes used them 245 00:11:03,006 --> 00:11:05,677 I'd like to say it didn't bother me, but it really did. 246 00:11:05,678 --> 00:11:07,648 I can't imagine how my mom would feel 247 00:11:07,649 --> 00:11:09,652 if she found out that both of my brothers 248 00:11:09,653 --> 00:11:12,191 are on steroids right now. 249 00:11:12,192 --> 00:11:14,729 My older brother started using steroids 250 00:11:14,730 --> 00:11:16,734 when he went to play Division I football 251 00:11:16,735 --> 00:11:18,470 at the University of Cincinnati. 252 00:11:18,471 --> 00:11:20,842 When I got to Cincinnati the practices were so grueling, 253 00:11:20,843 --> 00:11:23,046 much more than what I expected. 254 00:11:23,047 --> 00:11:25,718 Coaches would say, "you gotta get bigger, stronger, faster." 255 00:11:25,719 --> 00:11:27,155 - CHRIS: Was it intimidating? - Oh, man, 256 00:11:27,156 --> 00:11:29,226 A lot different than I thought it was gonna be. 257 00:11:29,227 --> 00:11:32,232 SHELDON BELL: He called me from Cincinnati and asked me for money for steroids. 258 00:11:32,233 --> 00:11:34,771 I said, "what do you need that for?" he says, "I can't compete here." 259 00:11:34,772 --> 00:11:37,710 So I'm like, "I don't know what that is. It sounds like drugs." 260 00:11:37,711 --> 00:11:40,516 He goes, "it is drugs." I said, "I'm not gonna send you money for drugs. 261 00:11:40,517 --> 00:11:42,520 If you want drugs go get a job." 262 00:11:42,521 --> 00:11:45,326 I remember at one point I think you maybe came home 263 00:11:45,327 --> 00:11:47,331 for a break or you did something 264 00:11:47,332 --> 00:11:49,902 and you told me, "hey, come here, help me out." 265 00:11:49,903 --> 00:11:53,109 And you pulled down your pants and you're like, "you have to inject this in me." 266 00:11:53,110 --> 00:11:55,447 And I hated it 'cause I was totally against steroids. 267 00:11:55,448 --> 00:11:58,319 And you were like, "come on, just do it. You have to do it." 268 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,159 You gotta help your big brother out, man. So it was no decision at all. 269 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,900 Everybody else that was doing well was on 'em. 270 00:12:04,901 --> 00:12:06,971 CHRIS: Shortly after getting on the juice 271 00:12:06,972 --> 00:12:09,276 Mad Dog quit college to pursue an even bigger dream. 272 00:12:09,277 --> 00:12:11,346 COMMENTATOR: Oh, look at that now! 273 00:12:11,347 --> 00:12:12,883 Here we go! Mike Bell! 274 00:12:12,884 --> 00:12:14,420 CHRIS: I couldn't believe it. 275 00:12:14,421 --> 00:12:16,391 That was my big brother wrestling on T.V. 276 00:12:16,392 --> 00:12:18,461 COMMENTATOR: Right hand by Bell. Oh, man! 277 00:12:18,462 --> 00:12:20,465 CHRIS: Mad Dog wanted to be a superstar, 278 00:12:20,466 --> 00:12:22,469 But he was what they call a "jobber." 279 00:12:22,470 --> 00:12:24,375 That's the guy they pay to get beat up 280 00:12:24,376 --> 00:12:26,746 to make the other guys look good. He didn't care, though. 281 00:12:26,747 --> 00:12:29,719 He was gonna get himself a contract and headline "Wrestlemania." 282 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:31,556 COMMENTATOR: Why did you even come in the ring? 283 00:12:31,557 --> 00:12:32,960 You should have gone home, dummy. 284 00:12:32,961 --> 00:12:34,830 CHRIS: But he never got the contract 285 00:12:34,831 --> 00:12:37,803 And eventually the W.W.E. stopped calling. 286 00:12:37,804 --> 00:12:39,807 Why did you think you didn't make it? 287 00:12:39,808 --> 00:12:42,479 Probably mostly my own fault. 288 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,650 I went from being a guy who used steroids 289 00:12:44,651 --> 00:12:46,487 to a guy who used steroids and pot. 290 00:12:46,488 --> 00:12:48,492 And I still needed to escape reality 291 00:12:48,493 --> 00:12:51,197 so I started taking ecstasy, cocaine, acid, painkillers. 292 00:12:51,198 --> 00:12:53,502 COMMENTATOR: Mike Bell is where he does not need to be now. 293 00:12:53,503 --> 00:12:55,506 He's in the wrong corner and he's paying the price. 294 00:12:55,507 --> 00:12:57,510 CHRIS: Mad Dog always told me 295 00:12:57,511 --> 00:12:59,547 that he'd rather be dead than average. 296 00:12:59,548 --> 00:13:01,452 And when he thought his dream was over 297 00:13:01,453 --> 00:13:03,990 he couldn't cope with the failure. 298 00:13:03,991 --> 00:13:05,761 MIKE: So I had a bottle of liquid lead, 299 00:13:05,762 --> 00:13:08,133 a bottle of NyQuil and four boxes of sleeping pills. 300 00:13:08,134 --> 00:13:09,836 I went down to the river 301 00:13:09,837 --> 00:13:12,341 down by the railroad tracks, 302 00:13:12,342 --> 00:13:15,948 parked my car, took everything. 303 00:13:15,949 --> 00:13:18,621 ROSEMARY: And he tried to walk into the-- 304 00:13:20,592 --> 00:13:24,266 He tried to walk into the Hudson river. 305 00:13:24,267 --> 00:13:26,370 CHRIS: So did you take all the sleeping pills? 306 00:13:26,371 --> 00:13:28,140 - Everything. - And the lead additive? 307 00:13:28,141 --> 00:13:30,346 There's no way I should be alive right now. There's no way. 308 00:13:30,347 --> 00:13:32,049 CHRIS: It's 10 years later 309 00:13:32,050 --> 00:13:33,886 and despite everything that happened 310 00:13:33,887 --> 00:13:36,024 Mad Dog is still trying to get that contract, 311 00:13:36,025 --> 00:13:38,028 Trying to keep the dream alive. 312 00:13:38,029 --> 00:13:40,032 'Cause I've been all over the world 313 00:13:40,033 --> 00:13:43,306 from Singapore to Louisville, and it doesn't matter-- 314 00:13:43,307 --> 00:13:45,810 You line 'em up, I'll knock 'em down. 315 00:13:45,811 --> 00:13:47,514 I can see why you never made it. 316 00:13:47,515 --> 00:13:49,385 ( laughing ) 317 00:13:49,386 --> 00:13:52,057 CHRIS: Mad Dog used to wrestle in front of a television audience 318 00:13:52,058 --> 00:13:54,061 of 10 million people every week, 319 00:13:54,062 --> 00:13:58,103 but tonight he's wrestling at the Portuguese Men's Center 320 00:13:58,104 --> 00:14:02,045 In front of 200 people for about 50 bucks. 321 00:14:02,046 --> 00:14:03,548 ( yells ) 322 00:14:05,553 --> 00:14:08,258 CHRIS: And instead of wrestling Bret the Hitman Hart 323 00:14:08,259 --> 00:14:10,028 He's facing Midgeto 324 00:14:10,029 --> 00:14:12,032 And he's getting his ass kicked. 325 00:14:12,033 --> 00:14:13,701 ( crowd cheering ) 326 00:14:13,702 --> 00:14:15,238 Come on, man, come on. 327 00:14:18,312 --> 00:14:20,950 CHRIS: My baby brother Smelly was always trying to keep up 328 00:14:20,951 --> 00:14:23,355 and despite everything that happened to Mad Dog 329 00:14:23,356 --> 00:14:25,359 he followed in his footsteps anyway, 330 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,332 becoming a pro wrestler and using steroids. 331 00:14:28,333 --> 00:14:30,904 The reason I decided to use steroids was simple. 332 00:14:30,905 --> 00:14:32,408 I just needed to get bigger. 333 00:14:32,409 --> 00:14:33,910 That was pretty much it. 334 00:14:33,911 --> 00:14:36,249 CHRIS: But unlike when Mad Dog started using steroids, 335 00:14:36,250 --> 00:14:37,919 Smelly had a wife to consider. 336 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:39,555 When you got married did you ever think 337 00:14:39,556 --> 00:14:41,794 that your husband would be injecting himself with something? 338 00:14:41,795 --> 00:14:44,767 No, that didn't even enter in my conscious thought. 339 00:14:44,768 --> 00:14:47,305 When I first met him he was against steroids. 340 00:14:47,306 --> 00:14:48,674 He was like, "you don't need to do it. 341 00:14:48,675 --> 00:14:50,880 I've never done 'em. I just don't believe in 'em." 342 00:14:50,881 --> 00:14:52,817 MARK: I was pretty upset about it 343 00:14:52,818 --> 00:14:55,088 Because I didn't want it to come to that. I was kind of scared. 344 00:14:55,089 --> 00:14:59,029 I didn't want to inject this oil into my body. 345 00:14:59,030 --> 00:15:01,067 I thought it was weird. 346 00:15:01,068 --> 00:15:03,071 He's not a huge guy, you know. 347 00:15:03,072 --> 00:15:04,708 He's 6' if he's lucky 348 00:15:04,709 --> 00:15:08,081 and so I knew that it was definitely going to help 349 00:15:08,082 --> 00:15:11,222 because that's what it does, 350 00:15:11,223 --> 00:15:13,726 what steroids do-- make you bigger. 351 00:15:13,727 --> 00:15:16,967 She basically said, "do what you need to do." 352 00:15:16,968 --> 00:15:18,971 ANDEE: Here's Jake with the daddy. 353 00:15:18,972 --> 00:15:20,875 CHRIS: After their son was born Smelly decided 354 00:15:20,876 --> 00:15:24,483 The life of a pro wrestler was not exactly what he wanted anymore. 355 00:15:24,484 --> 00:15:26,520 Here's my little Jake in his swing. 356 00:15:26,521 --> 00:15:29,659 Mark: Looking back, I don't really know what the hell I wanted. 357 00:15:29,660 --> 00:15:32,398 Having a contract means that you belong to W.W.E. 358 00:15:32,399 --> 00:15:34,604 And you have to travel. I was married with a kid. 359 00:15:34,605 --> 00:15:37,309 I mean, that's really all I need-- 360 00:15:37,310 --> 00:15:39,480 A house, a kid and a wife. I'm set. 361 00:15:39,481 --> 00:15:41,151 One, two, three! 362 00:15:41,152 --> 00:15:42,721 CHRIS: They settled down in the suburbs 363 00:15:42,722 --> 00:15:44,725 and Smelly even opened up his own gym. 364 00:15:44,726 --> 00:15:46,462 Yeah, my little brother gave up 365 00:15:46,463 --> 00:15:48,599 the wrestling dream for a respectable family life, 366 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,770 but he didn't quite give up everything. 367 00:15:50,771 --> 00:15:52,774 ( crowd cheering ) 368 00:15:54,746 --> 00:15:56,750 MARK: Now that I'm into it 369 00:15:56,751 --> 00:15:59,789 I realize it's not really all that bad. I love steroids. 370 00:15:59,790 --> 00:16:02,495 I think I'll probably be on and off of them 371 00:16:02,496 --> 00:16:04,199 probably forever. 372 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,169 This is what you trained for! This is what you do! 373 00:16:06,170 --> 00:16:08,741 Come on, boy! 374 00:16:08,742 --> 00:16:10,812 ANDEE: I thought that we had an agreement 375 00:16:10,813 --> 00:16:12,281 that he did it for wrestling. 376 00:16:12,282 --> 00:16:13,885 Now he's not wrestling anymore 377 00:16:13,886 --> 00:16:16,190 so naturally I thought he would just stop. 378 00:16:16,191 --> 00:16:18,494 MARK: In my mind there's no excuse 379 00:16:18,495 --> 00:16:20,833 for not being as strong as you possibly can be. 380 00:16:20,834 --> 00:16:22,035 ( crowd cheering ) 381 00:16:22,036 --> 00:16:24,340 You do what you gotta do to win. 382 00:16:26,211 --> 00:16:27,747 ANNOUNCER: Come on, Chris, let's do this now. 383 00:16:30,053 --> 00:16:33,158 ANNOUNCER: Let's give it up for him. It's a lot of weight. 384 00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:34,929 MAN: There it is. 385 00:16:34,930 --> 00:16:36,164 Come on now! 386 00:16:38,638 --> 00:16:40,674 ( cheering ) 387 00:16:40,675 --> 00:16:44,015 ANNOUNCER: Smoke show! Come on, Chris. 388 00:16:46,922 --> 00:16:48,891 - Take it, take it. - MEN: Take it, take it. 389 00:16:50,963 --> 00:16:52,966 ANNOUNCER: Nice try, Chris, nice try. 390 00:16:52,967 --> 00:16:55,138 MARK: If you are apprehensive 391 00:16:55,139 --> 00:16:57,375 about taking a steroid or you're apprehensive 392 00:16:57,376 --> 00:16:59,580 about trying some new methods 393 00:16:59,581 --> 00:17:01,751 then maybe you're not cut out to be a champion. 394 00:17:01,752 --> 00:17:04,591 ANNOUNCER: In first place, Mark Bell. 395 00:17:04,592 --> 00:17:07,563 CHRIS: I guess I'm not cut out to be a champion, 396 00:17:07,564 --> 00:17:10,904 because I tried steroids but I felt so guilty I had to stop. 397 00:17:10,905 --> 00:17:13,208 - Are you gonna win worst overall lifter? - Yeah. 398 00:17:13,209 --> 00:17:14,845 CHRIS: And now I can't even compete 399 00:17:14,846 --> 00:17:16,749 In the sport I grew up loving. 400 00:17:16,750 --> 00:17:20,291 I mean, my baby brother just beat me by 130 lbs. 401 00:17:20,292 --> 00:17:22,095 ( sighs ) 402 00:17:22,096 --> 00:17:24,834 We all grew up in the same house, 403 00:17:24,835 --> 00:17:28,441 so why are my brothers fine with steroids but I'm not? 404 00:17:28,442 --> 00:17:30,211 What would you say the differences are 405 00:17:30,212 --> 00:17:32,750 - between the three kids. - Between the three? 406 00:17:32,751 --> 00:17:35,055 Well, I always kind of say it like this-- 407 00:17:35,056 --> 00:17:37,526 you were in the middle of two guys 408 00:17:37,527 --> 00:17:39,430 that were very strapping, athletic, 409 00:17:39,431 --> 00:17:41,435 and you were tiny and short in stature, 410 00:17:41,436 --> 00:17:44,675 so I worked extra hard to make you feel extra special. 411 00:17:44,676 --> 00:17:46,545 One day I took you in your room-- 412 00:17:46,546 --> 00:17:49,284 I don't know if you remember this conversation where I said, 413 00:17:49,285 --> 00:17:51,856 "Christopher, what's the best part of an Oreo cookie?" 414 00:17:51,857 --> 00:17:53,794 What is the best part of an Oreo cookie? 415 00:17:53,795 --> 00:17:56,098 - The middle. - The middle. That's right. 416 00:17:56,099 --> 00:17:59,974 So even though you have two sides of a cookie on this end, 417 00:17:59,975 --> 00:18:01,743 the middle part is the most delicious. 418 00:18:01,744 --> 00:18:04,115 Everybody wants the middle. They even made double stuff. 419 00:18:04,116 --> 00:18:06,854 CHRIS: Yep, this is pretty much how it was growing up. 420 00:18:06,855 --> 00:18:08,558 Mom stayed at home with the kids 421 00:18:08,559 --> 00:18:11,230 while Dad wore a suit and tie and went to work. 422 00:18:11,231 --> 00:18:14,670 He was at I.B.M. for 20 years until he was downsized. 423 00:18:14,671 --> 00:18:17,175 But now he has his own business doing taxes. 424 00:18:17,176 --> 00:18:19,447 SHELDON: Everybody thinks that success in America 425 00:18:19,448 --> 00:18:21,952 is in the amount of dollars that you have. And that's not true. 426 00:18:21,953 --> 00:18:23,789 The real true heroes are people 427 00:18:23,790 --> 00:18:25,793 who go to work every day and do their job 428 00:18:25,794 --> 00:18:28,399 and bring up their kids to the best of their ability. 429 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,403 CHRIS: I wanted to be Hulk Hogan. 430 00:18:30,404 --> 00:18:33,075 I wanted to be Arnold. I wanted to be Sylvester Stallone. 431 00:18:33,076 --> 00:18:35,580 Did you have heroes like that growing up, when you were a kid? 432 00:18:35,581 --> 00:18:38,520 SHELDON: Yeah, we did. We had heroes 433 00:18:38,521 --> 00:18:41,994 like Mickey Mantle, Roger Maris. 434 00:18:41,995 --> 00:18:44,331 But I knew I could never aspire to it 435 00:18:44,332 --> 00:18:46,603 because back then you grew up, 436 00:18:46,604 --> 00:18:48,941 you graduated, you got married and you had kids. 437 00:18:48,942 --> 00:18:51,680 CHRIS: Yeah, my dad had the American dream-- 438 00:18:51,681 --> 00:18:53,852 you know, marry your high-school sweetheart, 439 00:18:53,853 --> 00:18:57,426 buy a house and take your kids to see the Yankees. 440 00:18:57,427 --> 00:18:59,430 But things are different now. 441 00:18:59,431 --> 00:19:02,837 And even baseball's changed from when my dad was growing up. 442 00:19:02,838 --> 00:19:04,842 And now when I think of baseball 443 00:19:04,843 --> 00:19:07,213 I don't think about the Babe or Hammerin' Hank. 444 00:19:10,153 --> 00:19:12,189 I think of steroids. 445 00:19:12,190 --> 00:19:16,967 COMMENTATOR: This one is a monster! It is out of here! 446 00:19:16,968 --> 00:19:21,208 CHRIS: After the strike of '94 baseball was almost dead. 447 00:19:21,209 --> 00:19:23,312 But then Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa 448 00:19:23,313 --> 00:19:25,418 started smashing home runs, 449 00:19:25,419 --> 00:19:27,655 racing toward the single-season record. 450 00:19:27,656 --> 00:19:29,759 You see, about 1000 years ago 451 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,465 Babe Ruth had 60 home runs in one season. 452 00:19:32,466 --> 00:19:34,302 And then when my parents were still kids 453 00:19:34,303 --> 00:19:36,607 Roger Maris hit number 61. 454 00:19:36,608 --> 00:19:39,246 He was the home-run champ for 37 years 455 00:19:39,247 --> 00:19:42,519 until Big Mac came along and crushed that record 456 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,927 with 70 home runs and baseball was saved. 457 00:19:45,928 --> 00:19:47,664 COMMENTATOR: Gone! 458 00:19:47,665 --> 00:19:51,405 Mark McGuire, you have just broken the home-run record. 459 00:19:51,406 --> 00:19:53,242 What are you going to do next? 460 00:19:53,243 --> 00:19:54,711 We're going to Disney World. 461 00:19:56,817 --> 00:19:59,756 CHRIS: I guess Barry Bonds wanted to go to Disney world too 462 00:19:59,757 --> 00:20:01,258 'cause in 2001 463 00:20:01,259 --> 00:20:03,663 he smashed 73 bombs to break McGuire's record. 464 00:20:03,664 --> 00:20:05,300 COMMENTATOR: This is the one! 465 00:20:05,301 --> 00:20:07,304 There's a new record homer! 466 00:20:07,305 --> 00:20:10,077 CHRIS: See, baseball players used to be scrawny, 467 00:20:10,078 --> 00:20:12,949 but now these guys were jacked and it was cool. 468 00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:15,355 They started looking like pro wrestlers. 469 00:20:15,356 --> 00:20:18,661 JOE BUCK: If you were to construct a home-run hitter 470 00:20:18,662 --> 00:20:22,068 in a lab, put him together, he'd look like that. 471 00:20:22,069 --> 00:20:24,373 CHRIS: Turns out, that was kind of what was going on. 472 00:20:24,374 --> 00:20:26,945 The man with ties to some big-name athletes 473 00:20:26,946 --> 00:20:28,649 has been charged with providing 474 00:20:28,650 --> 00:20:30,719 performance-enhancing drugs to the pros. 475 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,659 CHRIS: The guy with the pencil-thin mustache is Victor Conte. 476 00:20:33,660 --> 00:20:36,264 He used to be the bass player for Tower of Power, 477 00:20:36,265 --> 00:20:38,268 but when that career didn't work out 478 00:20:38,269 --> 00:20:40,474 he did what any failed musician would do-- 479 00:20:40,475 --> 00:20:43,179 he started selling undetectable steroids to athletes. 480 00:20:43,180 --> 00:20:45,217 REPORTER: Will you name names? 481 00:20:45,218 --> 00:20:47,054 There will be naming of names. 482 00:20:47,055 --> 00:20:50,093 CHRIS: Conte's files named over 250 athletes, 483 00:20:50,094 --> 00:20:53,734 including the home-run king himself, Barry Bonds. 484 00:20:53,735 --> 00:20:55,838 And then something even crazier happened-- 485 00:20:55,839 --> 00:20:57,977 Jose Canseco wrote a book. 486 00:20:57,978 --> 00:21:01,316 The surprise wasn't that he was literate, it's what he wrote about. 487 00:21:01,317 --> 00:21:03,655 He said he'd been taking steroids since '86, 488 00:21:03,656 --> 00:21:06,093 that 80% of baseball was on the juice 489 00:21:06,094 --> 00:21:08,732 and that he personally injected his former bash brother 490 00:21:08,733 --> 00:21:10,636 Mark McGuire in the ass. 491 00:21:10,637 --> 00:21:11,839 But why, Mr. McGuire? 492 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,177 Do you want to know the terrifying truth 493 00:21:14,178 --> 00:21:16,448 or do you want to see me sock a few dingers? 494 00:21:16,449 --> 00:21:18,386 Dingers! Dingers! 495 00:21:19,188 --> 00:21:20,823 Ooh. 496 00:21:20,824 --> 00:21:23,029 All right, Congress wants to haul 497 00:21:23,030 --> 00:21:24,565 a bunch of baseball players 498 00:21:24,566 --> 00:21:26,435 up to Capitol Hill to talk about steroids. 499 00:21:26,436 --> 00:21:30,678 CHRIS: In 2005 Congress spent 151 days in session. 500 00:21:30,679 --> 00:21:33,517 They spent eight of those days debating steroids in sports. 501 00:21:33,518 --> 00:21:36,556 That's more time than they spent on national healthcare, 502 00:21:36,557 --> 00:21:38,560 why the levees broke in New Orleans, 503 00:21:38,561 --> 00:21:40,565 and more than ending the war in Iraq. 504 00:21:40,566 --> 00:21:42,970 Apparently, the United States Congress 505 00:21:42,971 --> 00:21:46,009 takes this whole national pastime thing kind of seriously. 506 00:21:46,010 --> 00:21:49,016 I'm a baseball fan. I always have been. 507 00:21:49,017 --> 00:21:51,688 Let me just start by saying that I am a huge baseball fan. 508 00:21:51,689 --> 00:21:54,026 For me baseball is not a game, it's a passion. 509 00:21:54,027 --> 00:21:56,197 We have every right to be concerned 510 00:21:56,198 --> 00:21:59,304 that the national pastime and all that it represents 511 00:21:59,305 --> 00:22:04,815 has been threatened by the selfish actions of a few. 512 00:22:04,816 --> 00:22:08,222 There's something simply un-American about this. 513 00:22:08,223 --> 00:22:11,730 CHRIS: If using steroids makes the Bash brothers un-American, 514 00:22:11,731 --> 00:22:14,871 what does that make the Bell brothers? 515 00:22:14,872 --> 00:22:18,244 Congressman Kanjorski, do you think that this is not a matter 516 00:22:18,245 --> 00:22:20,114 for the U.S. Congress to be deliberating? 517 00:22:20,115 --> 00:22:21,785 I just don't think it's necessary. 518 00:22:21,786 --> 00:22:23,722 Why are we just gonna call seven people 519 00:22:23,723 --> 00:22:25,125 and of what importance are they? 520 00:22:25,126 --> 00:22:28,398 In the last 52 years we've only done it 25 times. 521 00:22:28,399 --> 00:22:30,402 14 of those times were 522 00:22:30,403 --> 00:22:32,006 by the un-American activities committee. 523 00:22:34,111 --> 00:22:37,016 Are you now or have ever been a member of the Communist Party? 524 00:22:37,017 --> 00:22:39,855 Well, sir, I'm not here to talk about the past. 525 00:22:39,856 --> 00:22:43,429 I have never used steroids, period. 526 00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:46,436 Did you know that other players were using steroids? 527 00:22:46,437 --> 00:22:50,144 I have never seen a syringe. I have never seen steroids. 528 00:22:50,145 --> 00:22:52,649 But in locker-room gossip-- you may not have seen it. 529 00:22:52,650 --> 00:22:55,221 People talk, right? "this guy's doing something, that guy's doing something." 530 00:22:55,222 --> 00:22:58,595 Now Mr. McGuire, would you like to comment on that? 531 00:22:58,596 --> 00:23:01,033 You don't want to comment? 532 00:23:01,034 --> 00:23:02,436 Are you taking the fifth? 533 00:23:04,241 --> 00:23:07,112 This is about values. It's about our culture. 534 00:23:07,113 --> 00:23:09,584 It's about who we define ourselves to be. 535 00:23:09,585 --> 00:23:12,457 When we want to define to a foreign country 536 00:23:12,458 --> 00:23:15,930 what we're about and you're gonna show a film, 537 00:23:15,931 --> 00:23:18,302 what would you go show? 538 00:23:18,303 --> 00:23:20,306 CHRIS: Hey, how about "Rocky IV"? 539 00:23:20,307 --> 00:23:22,077 There's nothing more American than that. 540 00:23:22,078 --> 00:23:24,849 The big Russian trains in a high-tech facility 541 00:23:24,850 --> 00:23:27,521 with a whole team of scientists and trainers, 542 00:23:27,522 --> 00:23:30,494 and of course he takes steroids. 543 00:23:30,495 --> 00:23:32,298 Meanwhile, Rocky's out there lifting logs, 544 00:23:32,299 --> 00:23:36,206 chopping wood, training in a barn the all-natural way, 545 00:23:36,207 --> 00:23:38,945 'cause only Commies would take steroids, right? 546 00:23:38,946 --> 00:23:41,650 Sure, Sly, whatever you say. 547 00:23:41,651 --> 00:23:44,056 Truth is, steroids were the secret weapon 548 00:23:44,057 --> 00:23:45,860 that helped American fight the Russians 549 00:23:45,861 --> 00:23:47,563 on the Olympic battlefield. 550 00:23:47,564 --> 00:23:49,567 And it all began here, 551 00:23:49,568 --> 00:23:51,905 York BarHenry in Pennsylvania. 552 00:23:51,906 --> 00:23:53,909 CHRIS: When you were an Olympic coach 553 00:23:53,910 --> 00:23:56,515 did you see a lot of steroid use going on? 554 00:23:56,516 --> 00:23:59,020 ( laughs ) Much. 555 00:23:59,021 --> 00:24:00,456 - Yeah. - Much. 556 00:24:00,457 --> 00:24:03,763 Smitty's 83, one of the old-timers. 557 00:24:03,764 --> 00:24:07,204 He was the coach of the Olympic weight-lifting team back then. 558 00:24:07,112 --> 00:24:09,083 Was it ever thought of as cheating at that point? 559 00:24:09,084 --> 00:24:13,192 No. No, because we figured everybody was taking it. 560 00:24:13,578 --> 00:24:15,581 We figured even steven. 561 00:24:15,582 --> 00:24:18,119 Smitty told me the story about how anabolic steroids 562 00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:20,023 were first introduced to the U.S. Olympic team. 563 00:24:20,024 --> 00:24:22,126 - ( Soviet hymn playing ) - It was the late 1950s 564 00:24:22,127 --> 00:24:24,832 and the Russians were dominating America 565 00:24:24,833 --> 00:24:26,434 in the space race and at the Olympics. 566 00:24:26,435 --> 00:24:29,874 But one night the Russian coach got drunk 567 00:24:29,875 --> 00:24:31,845 and told the American coach 568 00:24:31,846 --> 00:24:34,349 they'd been injecting their athletes with steroids. 569 00:24:34,350 --> 00:24:36,019 The American coach raced home 570 00:24:36,020 --> 00:24:38,123 and developed an even more powerful steroid 571 00:24:38,124 --> 00:24:41,361 specifically for team U.S.A. 572 00:24:41,362 --> 00:24:45,302 So if steroids actually helped America beat the commies, 573 00:24:45,303 --> 00:24:48,141 How did it get such a bad rap? 574 00:24:48,142 --> 00:24:51,213 MARIA SHRIVER: Last week former N.F.L. Defensive lineman Lyle Alzado 575 00:24:51,214 --> 00:24:54,285 told N.B.C. News that steroids were the cause 576 00:24:54,286 --> 00:24:56,589 of his inoperable brain cancer. 577 00:24:56,590 --> 00:24:58,226 How long were you on steroids? 578 00:24:58,227 --> 00:25:00,229 Most of my pro career. 579 00:25:00,230 --> 00:25:02,634 You know, I played 16 years. 580 00:25:02,635 --> 00:25:05,406 And it got me where I wanted but also got me very sick. 581 00:25:05,407 --> 00:25:07,142 CHRIS: Lyle Alzado went from being 582 00:25:07,143 --> 00:25:09,146 the toughest son of a bitch in the N.F.L. 583 00:25:09,147 --> 00:25:11,149 to being a sad dying man. 584 00:25:11,150 --> 00:25:14,089 Everything I saw on T.V. taught me that steroids kill. 585 00:25:14,090 --> 00:25:16,560 Some alarming news about steroid use tonight. 586 00:25:16,561 --> 00:25:18,529 REPORTER: A drug bust in Phoenix, Arizona, 587 00:25:18,530 --> 00:25:20,400 not for heroin or cocaine, 588 00:25:20,401 --> 00:25:22,738 but for something just as dangerous. 589 00:25:22,739 --> 00:25:24,742 Health damage from steroids can include 590 00:25:24,743 --> 00:25:27,346 heart, joint and reproductive problems, 591 00:25:27,347 --> 00:25:28,782 this is a drug that kills. 592 00:25:28,783 --> 00:25:31,320 What happens is that these retarded idiots 593 00:25:31,321 --> 00:25:33,324 that give us the news, these talking heads 594 00:25:33,325 --> 00:25:36,295 that babble on T.V. give us this rhetoric 595 00:25:36,296 --> 00:25:38,299 that comes from not one single expert. 596 00:25:38,300 --> 00:25:41,839 And they say ridiculous things like steroids will kill you, 597 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,910 they'll rot your kidneys, they'll give you cancer, 598 00:25:43,911 --> 00:25:46,080 they'll do all these horrible things that are just not true. 599 00:25:46,081 --> 00:25:49,319 CHRIS: John Romano is the senior editor of a bodybuilding magazine 600 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,991 and he disagrees with what his media colleagues think of steroids. 601 00:25:51,992 --> 00:25:54,095 Well, how come we hear constantly in the news 602 00:25:54,096 --> 00:25:56,032 that people are dying through taking steroids? 603 00:25:56,033 --> 00:25:58,035 - Show me the bodies. - Lyle Alzado. 604 00:25:58,036 --> 00:26:00,039 Lyle Alzado didn't die from steroids. 605 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,375 I trained with him for two years. 606 00:26:01,376 --> 00:26:03,712 He didn't die from steroids. He died from a brain tumor. 607 00:26:03,713 --> 00:26:06,384 I don't know of any of my colleagues that link 608 00:26:06,385 --> 00:26:09,523 his central nervous system lymphoma to his use of steroids. 609 00:26:09,524 --> 00:26:11,527 CHRIS: Dr. Charles Yesalis has published 610 00:26:11,528 --> 00:26:13,530 over 70 articles on the use of steroids 611 00:26:13,531 --> 00:26:17,003 and is one of the top experts in the world on drugs in sports. 612 00:26:17,004 --> 00:26:19,174 - Are steroids killing people? - good question. 613 00:26:19,175 --> 00:26:21,178 They've been used in medicine 614 00:26:21,179 --> 00:26:23,181 since the late 1930s. 615 00:26:23,182 --> 00:26:25,486 I hope we haven't been purposely killing people. 616 00:26:25,487 --> 00:26:28,124 Can they be used safely? Yeah. 617 00:26:28,125 --> 00:26:32,265 These drugs are a boon in the medical profession. 618 00:26:32,266 --> 00:26:35,003 They're a miracle drug for people with muscle wasting. 619 00:26:35,004 --> 00:26:38,476 They are a miracle drug for burn victims, 620 00:26:38,477 --> 00:26:42,016 for cancer patients, people recovering from surgery. 621 00:26:42,017 --> 00:26:44,387 CHRIS: And for people with A.I.D.S. like Jeff Taylor. 622 00:26:44,388 --> 00:26:47,292 Jeff has been fighting H.I.V. for 25 years 623 00:26:47,293 --> 00:26:49,396 and he says steroids saved his life. 624 00:26:49,397 --> 00:26:52,803 Back in '92 I was down to two "T" cells 625 00:26:52,804 --> 00:26:55,909 and very sick. I'd developed P.C.P. pneumonia. 626 00:26:55,910 --> 00:26:58,246 Both my lungs collapsed. I almost didn't make it. 627 00:26:58,247 --> 00:27:00,818 I came out of a hospital weighing 125 lbs. 628 00:27:00,819 --> 00:27:04,158 So I started researching and found a clinical trial in L.A. 629 00:27:04,159 --> 00:27:06,729 They were studying Anavar, an old bodybuilding drug, 630 00:27:06,730 --> 00:27:09,334 to test how it worked for people with H.I.V. 631 00:27:09,335 --> 00:27:11,638 So I signed myself up, got a fairly high dose 632 00:27:11,639 --> 00:27:13,641 and responded amazingly. 633 00:27:13,642 --> 00:27:17,549 I gained 30 lbs in six weeks 634 00:27:17,550 --> 00:27:19,452 and I gained 300 "T" cells. 635 00:27:19,453 --> 00:27:21,523 JOHN ROMANO: So these drugs have cognitive powers-- 636 00:27:21,524 --> 00:27:23,059 if you're sick they'll help you; 637 00:27:23,060 --> 00:27:24,996 if you're a healthy athlete they'll kill you? 638 00:27:24,997 --> 00:27:28,503 How can you say steroids are a national public health crisis 639 00:27:28,504 --> 00:27:31,876 when you have people dropping dead at a rate you can measure by the minute 640 00:27:31,877 --> 00:27:33,778 as a result of alcohol and tobacco? 641 00:27:33,779 --> 00:27:36,083 CHRIS: According to the C.D.C., 642 00:27:36,084 --> 00:27:39,656 tobacco kills about 435,000 Americans every year, 643 00:27:39,657 --> 00:27:43,329 alcohol kills about 75,000, 644 00:27:43,330 --> 00:27:46,469 and deaths from anabolic steroid abuse-- three. 645 00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:49,742 But steroids also show up in some other statistics-- 646 00:27:49,743 --> 00:27:51,745 emergency room visits. 647 00:27:51,746 --> 00:27:53,815 But it's not exactly number one on the list-- 648 00:27:53,816 --> 00:27:56,253 that would be alcohol; or number two-- 649 00:27:56,254 --> 00:27:58,257 that's cocaine; 650 00:27:58,258 --> 00:28:00,628 or number three-- that's marijuana. 651 00:28:00,629 --> 00:28:02,966 Gotta be top 10, though, right? 652 00:28:02,967 --> 00:28:04,969 Uh, not quite. 653 00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:06,973 How about top 25? 654 00:28:06,974 --> 00:28:09,344 Top 100? Keep going. 655 00:28:09,345 --> 00:28:11,348 Try number 142. 656 00:28:11,349 --> 00:28:13,351 That's even after multivitamins. 657 00:28:13,352 --> 00:28:16,290 # yabba-dabba-doo yabba-dabba-doo, Flintstones vitamins... # 658 00:28:16,291 --> 00:28:18,293 DR. YESALIS: Education is important, 659 00:28:18,294 --> 00:28:20,831 but what you have to watch out for 660 00:28:20,832 --> 00:28:23,236 is emChrisishing. 661 00:28:23,237 --> 00:28:25,774 If you look at "Reefer Madness," 662 00:28:25,775 --> 00:28:29,313 it caused you to be a stark-raving, murdering lunatic-- 663 00:28:29,314 --> 00:28:31,986 Very funny to watch because it goes so over the edge. 664 00:28:31,987 --> 00:28:35,325 The next tragedy may be that of your daughter, 665 00:28:35,326 --> 00:28:38,397 of your son, or yours. 666 00:28:40,435 --> 00:28:43,172 Physicians and sports scientists have done that 667 00:28:43,173 --> 00:28:45,377 with the best of intentions in this area-- 668 00:28:45,378 --> 00:28:47,548 "Oh, steroids are going to cause you 669 00:28:47,549 --> 00:28:51,354 to drop over dead in your tracks" and so on. 670 00:28:51,355 --> 00:28:53,926 And the athletes are looking around saying, "Jesus, 671 00:28:53,927 --> 00:28:55,963 haven't seen that many guys die." 672 00:28:55,964 --> 00:28:57,966 Are steroids killing people? 673 00:28:57,967 --> 00:28:59,970 Steroids clearly are killing people 674 00:28:59,971 --> 00:29:01,974 both in the short term and in the long term. 675 00:29:01,975 --> 00:29:05,313 CHRIS: Dr. Gary Wadler is an advisor to the world anti-doping agency 676 00:29:05,314 --> 00:29:08,218 and the media's go-to guy when it comes to steroids. 677 00:29:08,219 --> 00:29:10,223 We know it's been associated 678 00:29:10,224 --> 00:29:12,226 with stroke in young people 679 00:29:12,227 --> 00:29:15,565 for which there was no other obvious explanation. 680 00:29:15,566 --> 00:29:18,571 We know it's been associated with heart attacks 681 00:29:18,572 --> 00:29:21,610 for which there was no other obvious explanation. 682 00:29:21,611 --> 00:29:23,279 We know it increases clotting. 683 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,185 What bothers me are people like Dr. Gary Wadler 684 00:29:26,186 --> 00:29:28,756 who's a physician and going before Congress 685 00:29:28,757 --> 00:29:30,994 and saying these things, and when confronted-- 686 00:29:30,995 --> 00:29:32,998 "Please produce a single article 687 00:29:32,999 --> 00:29:36,203 that shows any of this in any scientific way," can't do it. 688 00:29:36,204 --> 00:29:39,075 CHRIS: Dr. Norm Fost is a professor of medical ethics 689 00:29:39,076 --> 00:29:41,880 with a research focus on performance-enhancing drugs. 690 00:29:41,881 --> 00:29:44,351 So I'm not denying that there aren't 691 00:29:44,352 --> 00:29:46,923 some serious adverse effects from anabolic steroids. 692 00:29:46,924 --> 00:29:49,594 It's just that we haven't been able to demonstrate any of them. 693 00:29:49,595 --> 00:29:51,264 Maybe that's because we don't study them. 694 00:29:51,265 --> 00:29:53,869 One of the problems with the ban on steroids 695 00:29:53,870 --> 00:29:56,206 is that it's impossible to do the kind of research 696 00:29:56,207 --> 00:29:57,642 that would answer these questions. 697 00:29:57,643 --> 00:30:00,347 Some purists would like to see those studies done. 698 00:30:00,348 --> 00:30:02,518 Well, I can assure you they never will be done. 699 00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:05,457 It would be a totally unethical study to do. 700 00:30:05,458 --> 00:30:08,195 So we have to use the information we have at hand. 701 00:30:08,196 --> 00:30:10,566 Depression, convulsions, 702 00:30:10,567 --> 00:30:13,471 anxiety, jaundice, 703 00:30:13,472 --> 00:30:16,110 myocardial infarction-- which is heart attack-- 704 00:30:16,111 --> 00:30:18,113 eczema, abscess, 705 00:30:18,114 --> 00:30:20,317 vaginal pain, vaginal discharge. 706 00:30:20,318 --> 00:30:23,890 You wanna know what I'm reading this from? What does that say? 707 00:30:23,891 --> 00:30:25,326 - "Vitamin c." - Thank you. 708 00:30:25,327 --> 00:30:28,232 I mean, look, peanuts are dangerous. You understand? 709 00:30:28,233 --> 00:30:31,104 There are people that take a peanut 710 00:30:31,105 --> 00:30:34,810 and have a peanut and they go into anaphylactic shock. 711 00:30:34,811 --> 00:30:37,649 Okay? The airway closes up. That's it. They die. 712 00:30:37,650 --> 00:30:40,287 Now does that mean that we ban peanuts 713 00:30:40,288 --> 00:30:42,825 and sue God for making them? 714 00:30:42,826 --> 00:30:44,728 - No. - Right. 715 00:30:44,729 --> 00:30:47,801 What we do is we say, "okay, peanut warnings." 716 00:30:47,802 --> 00:30:49,805 There is no safe drug. 717 00:30:49,806 --> 00:30:52,376 There is no safe drug that ever exists. 718 00:30:52,377 --> 00:30:55,014 There's always the benefit-to-risk ratio. 719 00:30:55,015 --> 00:30:57,018 You name the drug-- "X" percent of people 720 00:30:57,019 --> 00:30:59,021 will suffer adverse effects. 721 00:30:59,022 --> 00:31:01,159 CHRIS: Do you feel any side effects ever? 722 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,396 MARK: Yeah, I've had some side effects-- 723 00:31:03,397 --> 00:31:05,934 acne, hair growth. 724 00:31:05,935 --> 00:31:08,138 Some side effects that I've had are-- 725 00:31:08,139 --> 00:31:10,276 What do you mean by hair growth? On your head? 726 00:31:10,277 --> 00:31:12,346 No, just on my chest and my back and stuff. 727 00:31:12,347 --> 00:31:14,216 I never break out. My back doesn't break out. 728 00:31:14,217 --> 00:31:16,220 I don't get hairy from it. 729 00:31:16,221 --> 00:31:18,190 You get a little testicular atrophy, 730 00:31:18,191 --> 00:31:20,160 but then they come back. It's normal. 731 00:31:20,161 --> 00:31:21,996 - Your balls shrank? - The balls shank. 732 00:31:21,997 --> 00:31:23,633 - Who needs 'em? - Who needs 'em? 733 00:31:23,634 --> 00:31:25,771 What about testosterone? I have some friends who say 734 00:31:25,772 --> 00:31:28,442 it is like a wonder drug. It makes them feel great. 735 00:31:28,443 --> 00:31:31,280 It makes them feel, you know, frisky 736 00:31:31,281 --> 00:31:34,019 and young and it's great for their skin. 737 00:31:34,020 --> 00:31:36,491 The negative side effects would be my lovely singing voice, 738 00:31:36,492 --> 00:31:38,660 hair like a monkey from my head to my toes, 739 00:31:38,661 --> 00:31:41,867 I mean, hair growing out places you don't even want to talk about. 740 00:31:41,868 --> 00:31:43,937 ( low voice ) I mean, I want to stay feminine. 741 00:31:43,938 --> 00:31:45,940 And I think that's why I get so much work. 742 00:31:45,941 --> 00:31:47,944 It's because I still look like a woman 743 00:31:47,945 --> 00:31:49,815 and I still have hard muscles. 744 00:31:49,816 --> 00:31:51,584 DR. COLKER: In my experience, 745 00:31:51,585 --> 00:31:54,022 steroids are just gonna make you more of whatever you are. 746 00:31:54,023 --> 00:31:57,163 If you're a jerk and you take steroids 747 00:31:57,164 --> 00:32:00,268 - You're a super jerk, right? - An asshole. 748 00:32:00,269 --> 00:32:02,539 You've seen that, right? You go beyond. You're an asshole. 749 00:32:02,540 --> 00:32:04,276 ANDEE: I've never seen Roid Rage. 750 00:32:04,277 --> 00:32:07,114 I've never seen any difference in his personality 751 00:32:07,115 --> 00:32:09,785 or how he is with me, how he is with Jake. 752 00:32:09,786 --> 00:32:11,789 It hasn't done anything 753 00:32:11,790 --> 00:32:14,828 that all those after-school specials tell you that it's gonna do. 754 00:32:14,829 --> 00:32:16,665 Bryce, I gotta get bigger, man. 755 00:32:16,666 --> 00:32:19,336 - Here, this might help. - Steroids? 756 00:32:19,337 --> 00:32:21,540 WOMAN: What is going on with you? 757 00:32:21,541 --> 00:32:23,210 God damn it! 758 00:32:29,957 --> 00:32:33,596 ( sobbing ) 759 00:32:33,597 --> 00:32:35,800 CHRIS: While I was visiting my brother and his family 760 00:32:35,801 --> 00:32:38,471 they told me they were thinking of having another child 761 00:32:38,472 --> 00:32:42,145 but that another possible side effect of steroids was on their minds. 762 00:32:42,146 --> 00:32:43,514 If you couldn't have another kid 763 00:32:43,515 --> 00:32:45,317 would it be something that you'd regret 764 00:32:45,318 --> 00:32:46,820 because you did steroids? 765 00:32:46,821 --> 00:32:49,759 Yeah. If it was simply from that, yeah. 766 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,397 I'd probably regret it. But there's a lot of things 767 00:32:52,398 --> 00:32:54,902 people regret in their lives, so I'm not, you know-- 768 00:32:54,903 --> 00:32:58,341 it's a decision I made and it's a decision I'll have to live with, 769 00:32:58,342 --> 00:33:00,311 whatever the consequences are. 770 00:33:05,756 --> 00:33:09,095 CHRIS: It's been 15 years since Alzado died. 771 00:33:09,096 --> 00:33:11,599 - Why did you lie to me? - I was afraid... 772 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,903 CHRIS: Looking back at Maria Shriver's interview 773 00:33:13,904 --> 00:33:15,906 I can't help but wonder, 774 00:33:15,907 --> 00:33:18,411 why wasn't she asking the real questions like 775 00:33:18,412 --> 00:33:20,916 "is this gonna happen to my husband?" 776 00:33:20,917 --> 00:33:22,953 Did she really believe Lyle 777 00:33:22,954 --> 00:33:24,957 or was this just the beginning 778 00:33:24,958 --> 00:33:27,995 of the steroid myth? 779 00:33:27,996 --> 00:33:30,834 And even though the experts know a lot more about steroids, 780 00:33:30,835 --> 00:33:33,038 you sure wouldn't know it from watching the news. 781 00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:35,543 Tonight, one of the nation's most serious drug problems 782 00:33:35,544 --> 00:33:38,581 and it's only getting worse. It's steroids. 783 00:33:38,582 --> 00:33:40,585 Professional wrestler Chris Benoit 784 00:33:40,586 --> 00:33:42,990 killed his wife, his seven-year-old son, 785 00:33:42,991 --> 00:33:44,425 and then hung himself. 786 00:33:44,426 --> 00:33:47,298 Why did he do it? Steroids found in the house. 787 00:33:47,299 --> 00:33:49,601 Steroids cause suicidal tendencies. 788 00:33:49,602 --> 00:33:51,305 MAN: They hallucinate. They hear voices. 789 00:33:51,306 --> 00:33:53,175 MAN #2: Depression, paranoia. 790 00:33:53,176 --> 00:33:55,179 Steroids could be the actual cause... 791 00:33:55,180 --> 00:33:56,514 Speculation is running wild. 792 00:33:56,515 --> 00:33:58,118 Do you think these drugs could affect one's mind? 793 00:33:58,119 --> 00:33:59,320 Now we know. 794 00:33:59,321 --> 00:34:01,323 - Testosterone... - Steroids... 795 00:34:01,324 --> 00:34:04,996 ( overlapping voices ) 796 00:34:04,997 --> 00:34:06,633 CHRIS: Let's cut through the crap. 797 00:34:06,634 --> 00:34:09,305 This is steroids 101. 798 00:34:09,306 --> 00:34:11,375 First of all, the term "steroids" 799 00:34:11,376 --> 00:34:14,814 Is often misused to describe any performance-enhancing drug 800 00:34:14,815 --> 00:34:17,085 When in fact many of these drugs 801 00:34:17,086 --> 00:34:19,056 are not actually steroids at all. 802 00:34:19,057 --> 00:34:21,360 So what are steroids? 803 00:34:21,361 --> 00:34:23,364 Well, steroids are synthetic versions 804 00:34:23,365 --> 00:34:26,069 of hormones that your body produces naturally, 805 00:34:26,070 --> 00:34:28,073 like cortisone-- that's a steroid. 806 00:34:28,074 --> 00:34:30,644 It signals the body to break down inflammation. 807 00:34:30,645 --> 00:34:32,647 Birth control pills are steroids too 808 00:34:32,648 --> 00:34:34,484 Made from the female sex hormones 809 00:34:34,485 --> 00:34:36,320 estrogen and progesterone. 810 00:34:36,321 --> 00:34:38,859 But the steroids that get all the negative attention 811 00:34:38,860 --> 00:34:40,529 are anabolic steroids, 812 00:34:40,530 --> 00:34:42,933 Made from the male sex hormone testosterone 813 00:34:42,934 --> 00:34:45,671 which tells the body to increase muscle size and strength 814 00:34:45,672 --> 00:34:47,742 and helps to recover from workouts faster. 815 00:34:47,743 --> 00:34:50,915 Like any drug, anabolic steroids do have side effects. 816 00:34:50,916 --> 00:34:53,920 And if you abuse them the side effects will be worse. 817 00:34:53,921 --> 00:34:56,057 For men, they can cause acne, 818 00:34:56,058 --> 00:34:58,094 hair growth, raised cholesterol, 819 00:34:58,095 --> 00:35:00,732 shrink your testicles and lower your sperm count, 820 00:35:00,733 --> 00:35:02,702 which could even make you sterile. 821 00:35:02,703 --> 00:35:04,372 But all of these side effects 822 00:35:04,373 --> 00:35:06,375 are reversible when you go off the drugs. 823 00:35:06,376 --> 00:35:08,646 Otherwise, steroids don't cause baldness, 824 00:35:08,647 --> 00:35:10,383 but if it runs in your family 825 00:35:10,384 --> 00:35:12,119 they might make you go bald faster. 826 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,324 And they can also cause gynecomastia, 827 00:35:14,325 --> 00:35:16,461 or what the gym rats call "bitch tits." 828 00:35:16,462 --> 00:35:19,199 For women, in addition to acne and hair growth, 829 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,138 steroids can cause a deepened voice, menstrual problems 830 00:35:22,139 --> 00:35:24,141 and can enlarge the clitoris. 831 00:35:24,142 --> 00:35:26,145 And some of these are not reversible. 832 00:35:26,146 --> 00:35:28,149 And for kids, some experts think 833 00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:31,154 steroids can stunt growth by closing growth plates prematurely. 834 00:35:31,155 --> 00:35:33,225 But that's actually never been proven. 835 00:35:33,226 --> 00:35:36,865 There's also no proof that steroids cause cancer, kidney failure, 836 00:35:36,866 --> 00:35:38,836 and only oral steroids in high dosages 837 00:35:38,837 --> 00:35:40,872 can cause liver problems. 838 00:35:40,873 --> 00:35:43,645 And it's true that steroids can be one of 1000 risk factors 839 00:35:43,646 --> 00:35:46,416 that could lead to heart disease, but then again 840 00:35:46,417 --> 00:35:49,187 low testosterone is another big risk factor. 841 00:35:49,188 --> 00:35:52,060 And Roid Rage? Steroids can increase aggression, 842 00:35:52,061 --> 00:35:55,198 but that only happens in about 5% of the population. 843 00:35:55,199 --> 00:35:58,438 And even then, they can't make you psychotic. 844 00:35:58,439 --> 00:36:00,876 And as for the long-term side effects, 845 00:36:00,877 --> 00:36:03,881 we don't know. No one's ever done those studies. 846 00:36:03,882 --> 00:36:07,154 At what point do we say that a behavior is such 847 00:36:07,155 --> 00:36:10,427 that people just shouldn't be allowed to engage in it? 848 00:36:10,428 --> 00:36:12,864 I mean, we do allow people 849 00:36:12,865 --> 00:36:15,703 to do lots of things that can hurt themselves. 850 00:36:15,704 --> 00:36:18,875 REPORTER: America's new junkies-- plastic surgery addicts. 851 00:36:18,876 --> 00:36:20,879 I've had my eyes done, 852 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,851 rhinoplasty, chin cleft, 853 00:36:23,852 --> 00:36:27,191 pectoral implants, bicep implants, 854 00:36:27,192 --> 00:36:29,629 buttock augmentation. 855 00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:32,000 And those are the ones I can remember right offhand. 856 00:36:32,001 --> 00:36:34,604 TV NARRATOR: Common sense tells you this is dangerous and foolish. 857 00:36:34,605 --> 00:36:37,442 You wouldn't risk your neck in a trick like this. 858 00:36:37,443 --> 00:36:39,980 Common sense tells us that being shot out of a cannon 859 00:36:39,981 --> 00:36:42,419 Is dangerous business. Handling dynamite-- 860 00:36:42,420 --> 00:36:43,988 This too looks dangerous. 861 00:36:43,989 --> 00:36:46,626 RICK COLLINS: Whether it's bungee jumping 862 00:36:46,627 --> 00:36:49,465 or skydiving 863 00:36:49,466 --> 00:36:51,469 or black-diamond skiing-- 864 00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:54,308 All of them are fun to do 865 00:36:54,309 --> 00:36:57,681 But would subject one to tremendous risks 866 00:36:57,682 --> 00:36:59,651 with no real necessity. 867 00:36:59,652 --> 00:37:03,591 And so if we allow all of those other risks, 868 00:37:03,592 --> 00:37:06,129 why is it that we're taking this position 869 00:37:06,130 --> 00:37:08,133 with respect to anabolic steroids? 870 00:37:08,134 --> 00:37:11,940 - ( gunshot ) - COMMENTATOR: And it's a fair start. 871 00:37:11,941 --> 00:37:14,578 CHRIS: 1988, Seoul, Korea. 872 00:37:14,579 --> 00:37:16,983 A Canadian sprinter Ben Johnson 873 00:37:16,984 --> 00:37:18,987 defeated his archrival Carl Lewis 874 00:37:18,988 --> 00:37:20,723 in the 100-meter sprint 875 00:37:20,724 --> 00:37:22,793 to become the fastest man in history. 876 00:37:22,794 --> 00:37:24,664 MAN: It sure got our spirit up. 877 00:37:24,665 --> 00:37:26,734 Just great. Hey, Benny! 878 00:37:26,735 --> 00:37:28,904 CHRIS: But 24 hours later 879 00:37:28,905 --> 00:37:30,942 he tested positive for steroids 880 00:37:30,943 --> 00:37:34,315 and they gave the gold medal to our guy, Carl Lewis. 881 00:37:34,316 --> 00:37:37,086 COLLINS: There was an international uproar 882 00:37:37,087 --> 00:37:40,326 over the idea that this Canadian sprinter 883 00:37:40,327 --> 00:37:43,398 had gotten an advantage based on his use 884 00:37:43,399 --> 00:37:46,604 of anabolic steroids for its performance effect. 885 00:37:46,605 --> 00:37:49,275 And Congress responded by holding some hearings. 886 00:37:49,276 --> 00:37:51,579 Ben Johnson would not have been in the finals. 887 00:37:51,580 --> 00:37:54,051 He probably would not have been on the Olympic team 888 00:37:54,052 --> 00:37:55,954 had he not taken steroids. 889 00:37:55,955 --> 00:37:58,726 CHRIS: Congress wanted to pass a law that would control steroids 890 00:37:58,727 --> 00:38:00,830 the same way as drugs like cocaine and heroin 891 00:38:00,831 --> 00:38:03,201 and they called experts from the D.E.A., 892 00:38:03,202 --> 00:38:06,441 the F.D.A. and the American Medical Association. 893 00:38:06,442 --> 00:38:09,245 But they all testified that steroids should not be treated 894 00:38:09,246 --> 00:38:12,485 like illicit drugs. So Congress disregarded their experts 895 00:38:12,486 --> 00:38:16,492 and in 1990 they passed the Anabolic Steroid Control Act, 896 00:38:16,493 --> 00:38:19,865 turning non-medical users into federal drug criminals. 897 00:38:19,866 --> 00:38:23,037 COLLINS: This wasn't so much about health effects. 898 00:38:23,038 --> 00:38:27,045 It was really on what these things do that's good 899 00:38:27,046 --> 00:38:29,549 in the sense that they build muscle, 900 00:38:29,550 --> 00:38:32,488 they improve the way that people can perform. 901 00:38:32,489 --> 00:38:35,159 And that in a sports context 902 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,230 was seen as the ultimate evil. 903 00:38:37,231 --> 00:38:39,968 If we took a pie chart of steroid use 904 00:38:39,969 --> 00:38:43,274 and we looked at what percentage of that pie 905 00:38:43,275 --> 00:38:45,812 is comprised of athletes 906 00:38:45,813 --> 00:38:48,718 it would be a very very small slice of that pie. 907 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,489 The overwhelming majority of the pie 908 00:38:51,490 --> 00:38:54,996 is comprised of the recreational gym rat 909 00:38:54,997 --> 00:38:57,567 who's doing it purely for cosmetic reasons. 910 00:38:57,568 --> 00:39:00,172 The irony is that we've addressed 911 00:39:00,173 --> 00:39:02,176 a sports cheating issue 912 00:39:02,177 --> 00:39:04,280 by creating a law 913 00:39:04,281 --> 00:39:06,851 that affects all the folks who aren't cheating in sports. 914 00:39:06,852 --> 00:39:09,389 REPORTER: One look at Gregory Valentino's arms 915 00:39:09,390 --> 00:39:11,393 and you know something's going on. 916 00:39:11,394 --> 00:39:13,897 The 40-year-old is charged with criminal possession 917 00:39:13,898 --> 00:39:16,368 of anabolic steroids with intent to sell. 918 00:39:16,369 --> 00:39:18,473 CHRIS: Some people may call Gregg Valentino 919 00:39:18,474 --> 00:39:20,609 a freak and a felon. I call him a neighbor. 920 00:39:20,610 --> 00:39:22,880 He lives down the block from my grandma. 921 00:39:22,881 --> 00:39:25,318 He also happens to have the biggest biceps in the world. 922 00:39:25,319 --> 00:39:26,988 Holy crap. 923 00:39:26,989 --> 00:39:28,591 Do you have difficulty with just sort of 924 00:39:28,592 --> 00:39:30,962 the regular things in life, like making a sandwich? 925 00:39:30,963 --> 00:39:33,600 No. No no. 926 00:39:33,601 --> 00:39:35,237 I can hit a 90-mile-an-hour fastball. 927 00:39:35,238 --> 00:39:36,906 Any body wants to challenge me-- let's do it. 928 00:39:36,907 --> 00:39:38,275 I'll show you. Watch this. 929 00:39:38,276 --> 00:39:40,913 Oh! Oh! Oh! 930 00:39:40,914 --> 00:39:42,917 ( laughs ) Come on, Gregg. 931 00:39:42,918 --> 00:39:44,586 Oof! 932 00:39:44,587 --> 00:39:47,592 I told you I'm no Barry Bonds. 933 00:39:47,593 --> 00:39:50,865 I'm a red-meat man. I eat a lot of red meat. 934 00:39:50,866 --> 00:39:53,035 Why do you think people in America are so uptight 935 00:39:53,036 --> 00:39:55,440 About steroids and steroid users? 936 00:39:55,441 --> 00:39:58,279 Because they fear-- 937 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,652 they fear what they don't know. 938 00:40:01,653 --> 00:40:04,423 You know? 939 00:40:04,424 --> 00:40:07,028 That's ugly. Who the hell would want to look like that? 940 00:40:07,029 --> 00:40:08,530 I don't want to look like that. 941 00:40:08,531 --> 00:40:10,434 Why did you want to look like that then? 942 00:40:10,435 --> 00:40:12,805 Um, I mean, I like being big. 943 00:40:12,806 --> 00:40:14,708 I had small-man complex, you know. 944 00:40:14,709 --> 00:40:16,612 I'd be like, "I don't want to be little." 945 00:40:16,613 --> 00:40:19,484 I wanted to be taller. I couldn't grow taller, so I grew wider. 946 00:40:19,485 --> 00:40:22,156 Personally I think in the picture that you showed me-- 947 00:40:22,157 --> 00:40:24,360 - Oh, I look better. - Your arms look a lot better there 948 00:40:24,361 --> 00:40:28,334 - than they look now, right? Wouldn't you agree? - Without a doubt. 949 00:40:28,335 --> 00:40:30,671 I would rather look like that. Do you think girls 950 00:40:30,672 --> 00:40:32,641 look at me and go, "oh My God, that's hot"? 951 00:40:32,642 --> 00:40:34,879 They like... ( gags ) "that's --ing gross." 952 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,085 I walk into a club and the hottest girl could be there with her boyfriend 953 00:40:38,086 --> 00:40:40,256 and her boyfriend will see me 954 00:40:40,257 --> 00:40:42,292 and mush her in the face to get over to me 955 00:40:42,293 --> 00:40:44,596 just to say to me, like, "dude, what the --?" 956 00:40:44,597 --> 00:40:46,867 You're getting attention from the guys, not from the girl. 957 00:40:46,868 --> 00:40:49,472 I don't give a shit. It's attention. I can't explain it to you. 958 00:40:49,473 --> 00:40:51,943 It's like a mindset. Does that make sense or no? 959 00:40:51,944 --> 00:40:53,947 But I tell you what-- when I'm done 960 00:40:53,948 --> 00:40:56,585 my biceps are humongous, humongous. 961 00:40:56,586 --> 00:40:58,122 Like that-- bam! 962 00:40:58,123 --> 00:41:00,125 For myself, I'm kind of on the fence. 963 00:41:00,126 --> 00:41:02,129 I have two brothers. They're both taking steroids 964 00:41:02,130 --> 00:41:03,665 right as we speak right now. 965 00:41:03,666 --> 00:41:05,669 I don't know if I want people 966 00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:07,673 to think I'm not cheating 967 00:41:07,674 --> 00:41:09,609 or to look at me and say, 968 00:41:09,610 --> 00:41:12,682 "Wow, you know, you really have a great build." 969 00:41:12,683 --> 00:41:15,720 But do you think I should take steroids to get there? 970 00:41:15,721 --> 00:41:19,093 I think steroids are as American as apple pie. 971 00:41:19,094 --> 00:41:20,830 We live in a society today that-- 972 00:41:20,831 --> 00:41:23,335 You got M.T.V. And reality shows, 973 00:41:23,336 --> 00:41:25,772 Madonna's making out with Britney Spears, 974 00:41:25,773 --> 00:41:28,644 Rap music and all that shit, and you're worried about steroids? 975 00:41:28,645 --> 00:41:31,115 Kids are like, "-- you, cop. -- you, man," 976 00:41:31,116 --> 00:41:34,321 Playing video games like grand theft auto where you're killing cops. 977 00:41:34,322 --> 00:41:37,928 That's worse influence in my opinion than steroids will ever be, 978 00:41:37,929 --> 00:41:39,931 than Barry Bonds hitting home runs. 979 00:41:39,932 --> 00:41:42,871 There's a big difference between a kid taking steroids 980 00:41:42,872 --> 00:41:45,376 who's only had hair on his dick a couple of years, 981 00:41:45,377 --> 00:41:48,448 as opposed to a grown man who's looking to perform better 982 00:41:48,449 --> 00:41:50,718 At a better level in sports. 983 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,722 And where is Schwarzenegger in all this? 984 00:41:52,723 --> 00:41:54,726 I mean, he is the poster boy for steroids. 985 00:41:54,727 --> 00:41:57,331 He's the poster boy for "hey, look, look at me, look what I did. 986 00:41:57,332 --> 00:41:59,368 I came, I conquered, I kicked ass." 987 00:41:59,369 --> 00:42:02,908 That autobiography says he was doing it when he was 15-16. 988 00:42:02,909 --> 00:42:07,249 Hey, he won Mr. Universe at 19 years old-- 19. 989 00:42:07,250 --> 00:42:09,553 Did you ever see what he looked like when he was 19? 990 00:42:09,554 --> 00:42:11,791 Do you think it was god-given genetics or do you think 991 00:42:11,792 --> 00:42:13,695 that maybe he took the performance enhancers? 992 00:42:13,696 --> 00:42:15,698 A lot of people idolize these guys, 993 00:42:15,699 --> 00:42:18,837 whether it's a rock star, a bodybuilder, a movie star, whoever, 994 00:42:18,838 --> 00:42:21,408 and all of a sudden you get to meet them 995 00:42:21,409 --> 00:42:23,212 and, man, is it a let-down. 996 00:42:23,213 --> 00:42:27,186 Because they're never ever what they appear to be. 997 00:42:27,187 --> 00:42:29,190 The guy you see in public like this 998 00:42:29,191 --> 00:42:32,528 has got the middle finger under the table going like this. 999 00:42:32,529 --> 00:42:34,900 It's never "what you see is what you get." 1000 00:42:34,901 --> 00:42:37,137 It's "what you see is what they want you to see." 1001 00:42:37,138 --> 00:42:39,475 Everybody idolized Schwarzenegger growing up. 1002 00:42:39,476 --> 00:42:41,979 Everybody thought, "man, I wanna lift weights 1003 00:42:41,980 --> 00:42:43,983 and life a pure life like Arnold. 1004 00:42:43,984 --> 00:42:46,922 And I'm gonna eat all my vegetables and take my protein shakes. 1005 00:42:46,923 --> 00:42:49,928 Maybe I'll move out to California, train at Gold's Gym. 1006 00:42:49,929 --> 00:42:52,165 And I'm gonna get really big. I'm gonna win contests. 1007 00:42:52,166 --> 00:42:53,901 I'm gonna be a movie star too." 1008 00:42:53,902 --> 00:42:55,538 ANNOUNCER: Please welcome a man 1009 00:42:55,539 --> 00:42:59,010 whose story embodies the American dream. 1010 00:42:59,011 --> 00:43:01,014 One thing I learned about America is 1011 00:43:01,015 --> 00:43:04,120 that if you work hard and if you play by the rules 1012 00:43:04,121 --> 00:43:06,491 this country is truly open to you. 1013 00:43:06,492 --> 00:43:09,063 You can achieve anything. 1014 00:43:09,064 --> 00:43:11,901 Dude, that is-- 1015 00:43:11,902 --> 00:43:14,505 That is a pipe dream. 1016 00:43:14,506 --> 00:43:16,509 That is a pipe dream, okay? 1017 00:43:16,510 --> 00:43:18,513 To get where Arnold got in life 1018 00:43:18,514 --> 00:43:20,918 you have to be willing to step on a few fingers 1019 00:43:20,919 --> 00:43:23,623 and step on a few friends and fuck a few people over. 1020 00:43:23,624 --> 00:43:25,392 You don't get to that level without that. 1021 00:43:25,393 --> 00:43:27,229 In this world you're either the barracuda 1022 00:43:27,230 --> 00:43:29,734 or you're that little minnow swimming around like this. 1023 00:43:29,735 --> 00:43:31,303 And Arnold's the barracuda. 1024 00:43:31,304 --> 00:43:33,407 And we'll all exercise a little bit together 1025 00:43:33,408 --> 00:43:36,580 with the dumbbells. Come on now, let's do some presses here. 1026 00:43:36,581 --> 00:43:38,817 CHRIS: In the same year that George Bush Sr. signed 1027 00:43:38,818 --> 00:43:41,722 the Steroid Control Act he also made Arnold Schwarzenegger 1028 00:43:41,723 --> 00:43:44,594 the chairman of the President's Council on Physical Fitness. 1029 00:43:44,595 --> 00:43:46,464 So I'm confused. 1030 00:43:46,465 --> 00:43:49,002 Was the President saying that a former steroid user 1031 00:43:49,003 --> 00:43:50,705 could still be a role model for kids? 1032 00:43:50,706 --> 00:43:52,042 - Are you gonna exercise? - Yeah! 1033 00:43:52,043 --> 00:43:53,611 We're gonna pump up muscle! 1034 00:43:53,612 --> 00:43:56,015 TV NARRATOR: Enter Steve Rogers, 1035 00:43:56,016 --> 00:43:58,119 Too puny to be accepted by the army, 1036 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,091 but willing to risk death for his country. 1037 00:44:01,092 --> 00:44:03,362 He's changing right before our eyes! 1038 00:44:03,363 --> 00:44:05,366 TV NARRATOR: Suddenly it is over 1039 00:44:05,367 --> 00:44:07,369 and America has a new champion. 1040 00:44:07,370 --> 00:44:10,475 CHRIS: Why do you think in America superheroes are so important? 1041 00:44:10,476 --> 00:44:12,479 STAN LEE: People need heroes, 1042 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,184 Whether in real life or in fiction, 1043 00:44:15,185 --> 00:44:17,722 because they need somebody to inspire them, 1044 00:44:17,723 --> 00:44:19,692 something to aim for, 1045 00:44:19,693 --> 00:44:21,997 somebody to try to be like. 1046 00:44:21,998 --> 00:44:25,235 I think any boy would want 1047 00:44:25,236 --> 00:44:27,606 to be built like Arnold Schwarzenegger. 1048 00:44:27,607 --> 00:44:30,879 Did you ever want to be big a muscular like that? 1049 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,250 I wanted to be a little-- when I'd go to the beach 1050 00:44:33,251 --> 00:44:36,155 I used to wish that my arms were a little stronger. 1051 00:44:36,156 --> 00:44:38,861 I looked more like the 98-lb weakling. 1052 00:44:38,862 --> 00:44:41,265 Did that ever inspire you, that Charles Atlas comic strip? 1053 00:44:41,266 --> 00:44:44,203 - Did that inspire some of your characters? - It inspired everybody. 1054 00:44:44,204 --> 00:44:46,474 CHARLES ATLAS: Let me teach you how to become strong. 1055 00:44:46,475 --> 00:44:50,248 ( fanfare ) 1056 00:44:53,789 --> 00:44:56,392 When you're young you get impressions 1057 00:44:56,393 --> 00:44:59,198 That pretty much last you all your life. 1058 00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:01,602 If you step up and show up 1059 00:45:01,603 --> 00:45:03,706 and play hard, you're gonna play. 1060 00:45:03,707 --> 00:45:05,409 All right, get a break. 1061 00:45:05,410 --> 00:45:07,412 - ( boys cheer ) - Rock 'n' roll, fellas! 1062 00:45:07,413 --> 00:45:09,149 CHRIS: Smelly's now a coach 1063 00:45:09,150 --> 00:45:11,153 for the local high-school football team. 1064 00:45:11,154 --> 00:45:13,925 Kind of like Arnold, he just wants to give back to the kids. 1065 00:45:13,926 --> 00:45:16,262 MARK: Going to school was pretty painful for me. 1066 00:45:16,263 --> 00:45:19,034 Oftentimes I can find the kid who is like me 1067 00:45:19,035 --> 00:45:21,038 and maybe doesn't have the best confidence 1068 00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:22,674 and show him how to lift weights 1069 00:45:22,675 --> 00:45:24,276 and build him up physically and mentally. 1070 00:45:24,277 --> 00:45:26,514 ( cheering ) 1071 00:45:26,515 --> 00:45:28,685 BOY: He's the kind of guy 1072 00:45:28,686 --> 00:45:31,423 who would get in your life and slowly turn it around. 1073 00:45:31,424 --> 00:45:33,761 He keeps me going. He keeps me motivated about something. 1074 00:45:33,762 --> 00:45:35,731 When he works with those high school kids 1075 00:45:35,732 --> 00:45:38,669 that's his passion. Not a lot of kids 1076 00:45:38,670 --> 00:45:41,074 Have a strong male figure in their life. 1077 00:45:43,514 --> 00:45:46,351 I mean, a lot of people-- they're usually very selfish, 1078 00:45:46,352 --> 00:45:48,688 but he's not. I've never really met anyone that's like that. 1079 00:45:52,663 --> 00:45:54,265 CHRIS: There's a gym in Columbus, Ohio, 1080 00:45:54,266 --> 00:45:56,669 Where the strongest guys in the world train. 1081 00:45:56,670 --> 00:45:58,840 It's called West Side Barbell. 1082 00:45:58,841 --> 00:46:02,280 And this is where Smelly learned from his role model, Louie Simmons. 1083 00:46:02,281 --> 00:46:04,551 I've got a philosophy like many-- when you go to war 1084 00:46:04,552 --> 00:46:07,456 you go to kill. You don't go to get killed. 1085 00:46:07,457 --> 00:46:09,059 There's nobody in this place 1086 00:46:09,060 --> 00:46:11,029 that's not trying to be the best athlete in the world. 1087 00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:15,170 Everybody here is trying to achieve an elite level of success. 1088 00:46:15,171 --> 00:46:17,241 Pretty much as you're a kid you always want to be the strongest. 1089 00:46:17,242 --> 00:46:19,244 I always wanted to be the strongest guy. 1090 00:46:19,245 --> 00:46:21,682 And I still want to be that, you know. 1091 00:46:21,683 --> 00:46:24,120 ( all cheering ) 1092 00:46:24,121 --> 00:46:26,725 SIMMONS: In 1959 my father showed me a book. 1093 00:46:26,726 --> 00:46:28,895 It was about the Russians taking testosterone. 1094 00:46:28,896 --> 00:46:30,799 So I said, "what the hell? 1095 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,704 First chance I got, I'm gonna do some of this." and so I did. 1096 00:46:33,705 --> 00:46:36,544 I've actually been on anabolic steroids for 36 years. 1097 00:46:36,545 --> 00:46:39,149 Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt! 1098 00:46:39,150 --> 00:46:40,017 Up up up up up! 1099 00:46:42,422 --> 00:46:44,893 CHRIS: Is it something I should be morally battling 1100 00:46:44,894 --> 00:46:46,562 or should I be fine with doing it? 1101 00:46:46,563 --> 00:46:48,566 Your morals are your morals, not mine. 1102 00:46:48,567 --> 00:46:51,771 Who am I to judge you? And who are you to judge me? 1103 00:46:51,772 --> 00:46:54,510 You want to be strong or you want to be weak? 1104 00:46:54,511 --> 00:46:56,146 But you can't be strong without doing steroids? 1105 00:46:56,147 --> 00:46:57,749 You can't be as strong as possible. 1106 00:46:57,750 --> 00:47:00,455 If you want to reach the top you're gonna have to do it. 1107 00:47:00,456 --> 00:47:03,326 Everybody thinks anabolic steroids is the easy way out. 1108 00:47:03,327 --> 00:47:05,630 The people that train with anabolic steroids 1109 00:47:05,631 --> 00:47:07,468 train way harder than people that don't. 1110 00:47:07,469 --> 00:47:09,437 Regardless of what people think of Barry Bonds, 1111 00:47:09,438 --> 00:47:11,508 you can't take a bottle of testosterone, 1112 00:47:11,509 --> 00:47:13,144 put on Barry's baseball uniform 1113 00:47:13,145 --> 00:47:15,381 and make him hit 700 home runs. 1114 00:47:15,382 --> 00:47:18,287 Barry's got to go out, train and hit the 700 home runs. 1115 00:47:18,288 --> 00:47:20,290 But what if the scientists came up 1116 00:47:20,291 --> 00:47:22,461 with something better than anabolic steroids? 1117 00:47:22,462 --> 00:47:25,299 You see cows, you see immense, powerful cows, 1118 00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:28,038 And they basically have changed their genes. 1119 00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:31,043 If they can change your genes, would that be illegal? 1120 00:47:31,044 --> 00:47:33,748 What would they do then? Just ban sports in general? 1121 00:47:33,749 --> 00:47:35,752 ( chuckles ) Oh My Lord. 1122 00:47:35,753 --> 00:47:39,159 ( laughing ) 1123 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,765 When people see these, is the first question 1124 00:47:42,766 --> 00:47:44,769 "how many hormones do you pump into them?" 1125 00:47:44,770 --> 00:47:46,572 Well, it's two comments. One would be, 1126 00:47:46,573 --> 00:47:49,143 "oh my gosh, what did you do to that thing?" 1127 00:47:49,144 --> 00:47:51,314 And secondly, "it looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger." 1128 00:47:51,315 --> 00:47:53,318 CHRIS: This is a Belgian Blue Bull-- 1129 00:47:53,319 --> 00:47:55,889 ( moos ) 1130 00:47:55,890 --> 00:47:59,963 2600 lbs, all muscle, all natural. 1131 00:47:59,964 --> 00:48:02,467 So tell me again, you're all natural? 1132 00:48:02,468 --> 00:48:04,438 You're not taking anything? 1133 00:48:07,311 --> 00:48:09,280 I think you're ready for Congress. 1134 00:48:09,281 --> 00:48:11,151 He has a genetic mutation 1135 00:48:11,152 --> 00:48:13,421 that allows him to grow double muscle. 1136 00:48:13,422 --> 00:48:15,191 And scientists have figured out 1137 00:48:15,192 --> 00:48:17,495 how to genetically alter humans the same way. 1138 00:48:17,496 --> 00:48:19,833 Dr. Lee Sweeney is using this technology 1139 00:48:19,834 --> 00:48:21,703 to try to cure muscular dystrophy. 1140 00:48:21,704 --> 00:48:24,174 It's obviously going to become more and more evident 1141 00:48:24,175 --> 00:48:26,178 that what we call talent 1142 00:48:26,179 --> 00:48:28,916 is really genetic variation. 1143 00:48:28,917 --> 00:48:31,387 There's genetic enhancement available that might be able 1144 00:48:31,388 --> 00:48:34,193 to give you what nature didn't give you. 1145 00:48:34,194 --> 00:48:37,699 Trying to figure out how to do it in the safest way 1146 00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:39,736 Is something that hasn't been worked out. 1147 00:48:39,737 --> 00:48:41,740 If you find out that it's safe, 1148 00:48:41,741 --> 00:48:43,977 would you be somebody who would say, "hey--"? 1149 00:48:43,978 --> 00:48:45,313 Yeah, I would be first in line. 1150 00:48:45,314 --> 00:48:46,815 'Cause it seems like this is 1151 00:48:46,816 --> 00:48:49,621 the future of sports-- gene doping. 1152 00:48:49,622 --> 00:48:51,658 Gene doping, yeah. I wouldn't do it. 1153 00:48:51,659 --> 00:48:53,027 ( chuckles ) 1154 00:48:53,028 --> 00:48:55,766 Will gene doping ruin sports in America? 1155 00:48:55,767 --> 00:48:57,569 I don't think so. I mean, I think 1156 00:48:57,570 --> 00:48:59,573 any time there's a new technology 1157 00:48:59,574 --> 00:49:02,210 everyone says, "okay, we have to stand back 1158 00:49:02,211 --> 00:49:05,116 and think about what this is really gonna mean to society." 1159 00:49:05,117 --> 00:49:06,786 And I think that's the debate 1160 00:49:06,787 --> 00:49:08,690 we will come to in the coming decades. 1161 00:49:08,691 --> 00:49:11,661 TV NARRATOR: Good sportsmanship-- you know what that means? 1162 00:49:11,662 --> 00:49:14,032 Play fair. 1163 00:49:14,033 --> 00:49:16,337 CHRIS: When I was a kid cheating was pretty clear-cut, 1164 00:49:16,338 --> 00:49:18,908 like when the million dollar man hired the referee's 1165 00:49:18,909 --> 00:49:21,045 evil twin brother to cheat the Hulkster out of his title. 1166 00:49:21,046 --> 00:49:23,350 COMMENTATOR: Is that Dave Hebner or is that Dave Hebner? 1167 00:49:23,351 --> 00:49:26,351 You know, cheating in other sports wasn't all that different. 1168 00:49:26,848 --> 00:49:30,053 was hot-scuffing the ball with an emery board? 1169 00:49:26,852 --> 00:49:27,852 Remember when Joe Necro 1170 00:49:30,054 --> 00:49:31,889 COMMENTATOR: Something came out of his pocket. 1171 00:49:31,890 --> 00:49:34,294 Chris: And what about when the Patriots were playing the Dolphins 1172 00:49:34,295 --> 00:49:36,531 And they hired an ex-con to clear 1173 00:49:36,532 --> 00:49:38,569 a spot in the snow for the field-goal kicker? 1174 00:49:38,570 --> 00:49:40,606 You can't do that. 1175 00:49:40,607 --> 00:49:42,342 I think it's the most unfair thing 1176 00:49:42,343 --> 00:49:43,911 that I've ever been associated in. 1177 00:49:43,912 --> 00:49:46,717 CHRIS: Or like when Rosie Ruiz won the Boston Marathon. 1178 00:49:46,718 --> 00:49:49,889 The mystery woman winner. We missed her at all our checkpoints. 1179 00:49:49,890 --> 00:49:52,895 CHRIS: Why take steroids when you can take a bus? 1180 00:49:52,896 --> 00:49:54,564 And who can forget when Tonya Harding 1181 00:49:54,565 --> 00:49:58,071 hired a goon to take out Nancy Kerrigan's knee? 1182 00:49:58,072 --> 00:50:00,075 Why? Why? ( sobbing ) 1183 00:50:00,076 --> 00:50:02,212 I guess if you can't beat 'em, 1184 00:50:02,213 --> 00:50:04,182 beat 'em with a lead pipe. 1185 00:50:04,183 --> 00:50:07,021 But somehow steroids seem kind of different. 1186 00:50:07,022 --> 00:50:09,592 I thought in undergraduate school and in college 1187 00:50:09,593 --> 00:50:11,228 I was a pretty good athlete. 1188 00:50:11,229 --> 00:50:14,001 But I find myself angry, 1189 00:50:14,002 --> 00:50:16,906 angry in my gut 1190 00:50:16,907 --> 00:50:20,546 because these are the same guys that would have taken me out, 1191 00:50:20,547 --> 00:50:22,950 taken me out not because they had 1192 00:50:22,951 --> 00:50:25,822 more god-given natural talent than me 1193 00:50:25,823 --> 00:50:29,730 but because they enhanced with artificial means. 1194 00:50:29,731 --> 00:50:32,267 CHRIS: If using steroids is cheating, 1195 00:50:32,268 --> 00:50:35,172 seems like a whole bunch of other stuff should be cheating too. 1196 00:50:35,173 --> 00:50:38,312 Take Tiger Woods, for example. He had Lasik eye surgery 1197 00:50:38,313 --> 00:50:41,685 and now his vision is 20/15. That's better than perfect. 1198 00:50:41,686 --> 00:50:44,289 WOODS: My eyes are stable. My game's a lot better. 1199 00:50:44,290 --> 00:50:46,127 I felt pretty good coming in. 1200 00:50:46,128 --> 00:50:48,296 CHRIS: In a game that relies so much on depth perception, 1201 00:50:48,297 --> 00:50:51,936 wouldn't superhuman vision be a performance enhancement? 1202 00:50:51,937 --> 00:50:53,707 Then there's cortisone shots. 1203 00:50:53,708 --> 00:50:55,978 They helped Curt Schilling win the World Series. 1204 00:50:55,979 --> 00:50:58,014 And those are steroids too. 1205 00:50:58,015 --> 00:51:02,055 Truth is, corticosteroids can have worse side effects than anabolic steroids, 1206 00:51:02,056 --> 00:51:04,393 but they're used in sports every day. 1207 00:51:04,394 --> 00:51:06,296 He had a 20-minute cortisone shot 1208 00:51:06,297 --> 00:51:08,902 after Monday's match after his back tightened up. 1209 00:51:08,903 --> 00:51:10,838 CHRIS: Here's an even more confusing example-- 1210 00:51:10,839 --> 00:51:12,508 Floyd Landis claims 1211 00:51:12,509 --> 00:51:14,678 that he did not take steroids to win the Tour De France. 1212 00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:16,916 LANDIS: Truth is, I didn't use testosterone 1213 00:51:16,917 --> 00:51:18,753 like I'm accused of doing. I didn't cheat. 1214 00:51:18,754 --> 00:51:20,957 I didn't do anything outside of the rules. 1215 00:51:20,958 --> 00:51:24,330 I won the Tour clean and I deserved to win. 1216 00:51:24,331 --> 00:51:25,899 I'm proud of it and I always will be. 1217 00:51:25,900 --> 00:51:29,005 CHRIS: But he did sleep in his own altitude chamber. 1218 00:51:29,006 --> 00:51:31,009 I got my altitude chamber 1219 00:51:31,010 --> 00:51:33,114 out by the garage these days. 1220 00:51:33,115 --> 00:51:35,485 So you made this? 1221 00:51:35,486 --> 00:51:37,387 Yeah, it's not actually that hard to make. 1222 00:51:37,389 --> 00:51:39,960 I didn't make the pipe. I got the pipe from some construction site. 1223 00:51:39,961 --> 00:51:41,496 They were putting in a water main. 1224 00:51:41,497 --> 00:51:43,132 Is the result pretty good? 1225 00:51:43,133 --> 00:51:44,467 For me it makes a difference, yeah. 1226 00:51:44,468 --> 00:51:46,505 And how long do you stay in here for? 1227 00:51:46,506 --> 00:51:49,310 Just sleep in there all night. I don't know, six or seven hours. 1228 00:51:49,311 --> 00:51:51,313 Is your wife like, "what are you doing?" 1229 00:51:51,314 --> 00:51:53,317 "I'm gonna sleep in the chamber." 1230 00:51:53,318 --> 00:51:54,787 ( laughs ) She hates it. 1231 00:51:54,788 --> 00:51:56,456 So you just climb in there? 1232 00:51:56,457 --> 00:51:57,993 Yeah, you want to try it out? 1233 00:51:57,994 --> 00:52:00,230 You won't have a monitor in there, but I have it set 1234 00:52:00,231 --> 00:52:01,533 to, like, about 13,000'. 1235 00:52:02,869 --> 00:52:04,538 ( air hissing ) 1236 00:52:04,539 --> 00:52:06,842 CHRIS: See, sleeping in an altitude chamber 1237 00:52:06,843 --> 00:52:08,846 produces a lot more red blood cells, 1238 00:52:08,847 --> 00:52:10,850 which means more oxygen in your system, 1239 00:52:10,851 --> 00:52:14,289 which means more endurance for a cyclist or a long-distance runner. 1240 00:52:14,290 --> 00:52:17,161 There are four ways to increase your red blood cell count. 1241 00:52:17,162 --> 00:52:20,501 You can sleep in an altitude chamber like Floyd 1242 00:52:20,502 --> 00:52:23,239 or you can just train at the U.S. Olympic training center 1243 00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:25,276 at 6,000' in Colorado. 1244 00:52:25,277 --> 00:52:27,146 Then there's blood doping. 1245 00:52:27,147 --> 00:52:29,684 That's when you draw your own blood a month before the big race, 1246 00:52:29,685 --> 00:52:31,821 then re-inject it the night before. 1247 00:52:31,822 --> 00:52:34,226 Finally, there's a drug called E.P.O. 1248 00:52:34,227 --> 00:52:36,096 which simply tells your body 1249 00:52:36,097 --> 00:52:37,966 to produce more red blood cells. 1250 00:52:37,967 --> 00:52:40,303 So that's four ways to do the exact same thing, 1251 00:52:40,304 --> 00:52:43,977 but two are allowed and two are cheating. 1252 00:52:43,978 --> 00:52:46,248 You done yet? 1253 00:52:47,785 --> 00:52:49,754 ( laughs ) 1254 00:52:49,755 --> 00:52:52,727 Hey. That's kind of weird. 1255 00:52:52,728 --> 00:52:55,298 No, it's nice, man. Once you get used to it it's nice sleeping in there. 1256 00:52:55,299 --> 00:52:57,402 SCOTT REID: What's heartbreaking is my eight-year-old-- 1257 00:52:57,403 --> 00:52:59,338 his two favorite athletes are Barry Bonds and Lance Armstrong. 1258 00:52:59,339 --> 00:53:01,709 My four-year-old is obsessed with Floyd Landis. 1259 00:53:01,710 --> 00:53:03,847 So what do you tell these kids? I talk to people all the time 1260 00:53:03,848 --> 00:53:05,817 That they go, "who can my kids believe in?" 1261 00:53:05,818 --> 00:53:07,987 And I want to tell them is "nobody." 1262 00:53:07,988 --> 00:53:10,225 I ask not to be judged and much less 1263 00:53:10,226 --> 00:53:12,162 to be sentenced by anyone. 1264 00:53:12,163 --> 00:53:15,335 You can't trust anybody now because the testing is so ineffective. 1265 00:53:15,336 --> 00:53:17,739 You don't know who's really clean, who's really dirty. 1266 00:53:17,740 --> 00:53:20,678 CHRIS: Were you taking any sort of drugs for that race? 1267 00:53:20,679 --> 00:53:22,682 Not what they fined me with, no. 1268 00:53:22,683 --> 00:53:24,752 - But you were taking other stuff. - Other stuff, yeah. 1269 00:53:24,753 --> 00:53:26,422 But isn't that still cheating? 1270 00:53:26,423 --> 00:53:29,126 Still cheating, yeah, like everybody else. 1271 00:53:29,127 --> 00:53:30,797 So that's how you justify it-- 1272 00:53:30,798 --> 00:53:32,399 - Everybody's cheating? - Yes. 1273 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,303 When I interviewed Ben Johnson he basically said, 1274 00:53:34,304 --> 00:53:36,006 "look, everybody was on something." 1275 00:53:36,007 --> 00:53:40,448 Well, you know, Ben-- and bless his heart, 1276 00:53:40,449 --> 00:53:42,517 he's got to say everyone was on something. 1277 00:53:42,518 --> 00:53:45,523 That's justifying his own means. 1278 00:53:45,524 --> 00:53:47,126 So he has a problem with you beating-- 1279 00:53:47,127 --> 00:53:48,796 he has a problem-- he has a problem 1280 00:53:48,797 --> 00:53:51,234 - of, you know, me beating him. - Yeah. 1281 00:53:51,235 --> 00:53:53,237 When we were taking that victory stand, 1282 00:53:53,238 --> 00:53:55,341 we were on the stand and he got the gold medal, 1283 00:53:55,342 --> 00:53:57,646 he didn't smile. He never smiled. 1284 00:53:57,647 --> 00:53:59,383 He never celebrated. And the thing is, 1285 00:53:59,384 --> 00:54:02,621 he couldn't really inside share in the joy of winning. He cheated. 1286 00:54:02,622 --> 00:54:04,625 You cheat. Everybody cheats. 1287 00:54:04,626 --> 00:54:06,295 Nobody in this world is perfect. 1288 00:54:06,296 --> 00:54:07,965 Nobody in this life is perfect-- nobody. 1289 00:54:07,966 --> 00:54:11,572 They know that in 1988 six Americans at least 1290 00:54:11,573 --> 00:54:13,576 tested positive in Seoul. And they all shut up 1291 00:54:13,577 --> 00:54:16,013 because the biggest money comes from America. 1292 00:54:16,014 --> 00:54:18,016 So who's gonna get shafted, 1293 00:54:18,017 --> 00:54:20,020 Americans or Ben Johnson? 1294 00:54:20,021 --> 00:54:22,992 DR. WADE EXUM: I think that Ben Johnson was unfairly singled out. 1295 00:54:22,993 --> 00:54:25,864 I think that there's always scapegoats. 1296 00:54:25,865 --> 00:54:29,137 Is there a lot of drug use going on in Olympics? 1297 00:54:29,138 --> 00:54:32,276 Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. 1298 00:54:32,277 --> 00:54:34,880 CHRIS: Dr. Exum was the Director of Anti-Doping 1299 00:54:34,881 --> 00:54:37,085 at the U.S. Olympic Committee for 10 years. 1300 00:54:37,086 --> 00:54:39,790 He thought his job was to stop drugs in sports, 1301 00:54:39,791 --> 00:54:42,295 but his bosses had other priorities. 1302 00:54:42,296 --> 00:54:45,033 He told me that over 2000 American athletes 1303 00:54:45,034 --> 00:54:47,604 failed their drug tests, including Carl Lewis, 1304 00:54:47,605 --> 00:54:49,441 and they were covered up. 1305 00:54:49,442 --> 00:54:51,511 Nobody believes Carl Lewis ever failed a drug test. 1306 00:54:51,512 --> 00:54:53,348 - Do you have any proof? - Oh, certainly. 1307 00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:56,921 We have just boxes of proof for everything that I say. 1308 00:54:56,922 --> 00:54:58,925 There it is, book three. 1309 00:54:58,926 --> 00:55:02,131 Here's a letter from then Executive Director 1310 00:55:02,132 --> 00:55:04,870 Baaron Pittenger to Mr. Lewis. 1311 00:55:04,871 --> 00:55:07,908 CHRIS: "I must confirm that the analysis for your specimen 'B' 1312 00:55:07,909 --> 00:55:10,814 was positive for pseudoephedrine, ephedrine, 1313 00:55:10,815 --> 00:55:13,252 And phenylpropanolee-- lamine-- 1314 00:55:13,253 --> 00:55:15,355 - Is that what is is? - Phenylpropanolamine, yeah. 1315 00:55:15,356 --> 00:55:17,125 --IOC banned stimulants. 1316 00:55:17,126 --> 00:55:20,130 By policy of the U.S.O.C., this finding is cause 1317 00:55:20,131 --> 00:55:22,501 for disqualification from the Olympic team 1318 00:55:22,502 --> 00:55:25,607 to the 1988 Summer Olympic Games in Seoul, Korea." 1319 00:55:25,608 --> 00:55:28,045 Wow. 1320 00:55:28,046 --> 00:55:29,949 This is basically a letter that said 1321 00:55:29,950 --> 00:55:31,385 that you had failed the test 1322 00:55:31,386 --> 00:55:34,190 and that there was a consequence to that failure. 1323 00:55:34,191 --> 00:55:37,363 As we all know, that didn't come about. 1324 00:55:37,364 --> 00:55:39,967 You actually received a letter, or a call-- 1325 00:55:39,968 --> 00:55:41,971 - Yes. - --that you had failed the drug test-- 1326 00:55:41,972 --> 00:55:44,074 - Right. - --because of some stimulants? 1327 00:55:44,075 --> 00:55:45,378 Yeah, it was like 1328 00:55:45,379 --> 00:55:47,481 a cold medicine type thing, the herbal supplement. 1329 00:55:47,482 --> 00:55:50,085 They made up this term. It was called "inadvertent use"-- 1330 00:55:50,086 --> 00:55:53,325 an athlete took something without meaning to take it 1331 00:55:53,326 --> 00:55:56,798 or without meaning to gain an advantage from taking it. 1332 00:55:56,799 --> 00:55:58,835 Mm-hmm. And so they made that up 1333 00:55:58,836 --> 00:56:00,672 to basically kind of let people off the hook? 1334 00:56:00,673 --> 00:56:02,642 Oh, yeah. Yeah. 1335 00:56:02,643 --> 00:56:05,547 Carl's story is-- it's been a cold medicine; 1336 00:56:05,548 --> 00:56:08,053 it's been a tea; it's been some kind of a nutrient. 1337 00:56:08,054 --> 00:56:10,557 - It's a stimulant. - CHRIS: So you're saying these athletes-- 1338 00:56:10,558 --> 00:56:12,995 - they know what's on the banned substance list? - They totally know. 1339 00:56:12,996 --> 00:56:15,333 They are bombarded with the banned substance list. 1340 00:56:15,334 --> 00:56:17,336 A lot of people say you failed the drug test, 1341 00:56:17,337 --> 00:56:19,340 you raced against Ben Johnson, 1342 00:56:19,341 --> 00:56:22,814 and that maybe-- maybe the gold medal 1343 00:56:22,815 --> 00:56:24,818 - should go to the guy next on the stand. - I understand. 1344 00:56:24,819 --> 00:56:27,723 There are a lot of people that are going to go to their graves saying, 1345 00:56:27,724 --> 00:56:29,827 "I know he did it." and you know what? To hell with them. 1346 00:56:32,499 --> 00:56:35,236 DR. EXUM: You really cannot fault the athlete for doing that. 1347 00:56:35,237 --> 00:56:38,776 You can't fault Carl when Carl's belief is 1348 00:56:38,777 --> 00:56:41,915 that the system sets some rules and that you need to follow them. 1349 00:56:41,916 --> 00:56:43,919 And they made an exception in his case. 1350 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,058 They made an exception in a lot of people's cases. 1351 00:56:47,059 --> 00:56:49,229 But it's the system 1352 00:56:49,230 --> 00:56:51,867 that actually teaches athletes to think that way. 1353 00:56:51,868 --> 00:56:53,871 You know, for me 1354 00:56:53,872 --> 00:56:56,208 the whole "level playing field" was a myth. 1355 00:56:56,209 --> 00:56:59,548 If we could not do anything to take doping out of sports 1356 00:56:59,549 --> 00:57:02,988 then doping was meant to be in sports. 1357 00:57:02,989 --> 00:57:06,694 The first all-drug Olympics opened today in Bogota, Colombia. 1358 00:57:06,695 --> 00:57:09,633 Athletes are allowed to take any substance whatsoever 1359 00:57:09,634 --> 00:57:12,204 before, after, and even during the competition. 1360 00:57:13,909 --> 00:57:15,911 - ( screams ) - ( laughter ) 1361 00:57:15,912 --> 00:57:18,215 Oh! He's pulled his arms off! 1362 00:57:18,216 --> 00:57:21,121 He's pulled his arms off. That's got to be disappointing to the big Russian. 1363 00:57:24,695 --> 00:57:26,698 Yeah! 1364 00:57:26,699 --> 00:57:29,870 What has made every major sport 1365 00:57:29,871 --> 00:57:31,807 a multi-billion-dollar entity? 1366 00:57:31,808 --> 00:57:34,212 Well, after you distill it all down, 1367 00:57:34,213 --> 00:57:35,781 it's the desire of the customer, 1368 00:57:35,782 --> 00:57:39,020 the fans that fill these seats and others, 1369 00:57:39,021 --> 00:57:42,594 to see bigger-than-life people doing bigger-than-life things. 1370 00:57:42,595 --> 00:57:45,232 CHRIS: What do you think about athletes using steroids in sports? 1371 00:57:45,233 --> 00:57:47,403 Steroids? I love it if they're on my team. 1372 00:57:47,404 --> 00:57:49,640 I think it's totally wrong, totally wrong. 1373 00:57:49,641 --> 00:57:51,276 - Worst offense. Throw them out. - It's cheating? 1374 00:57:51,277 --> 00:57:53,147 Hell yeah, it's cheating. Are you kidding me? 1375 00:57:55,084 --> 00:57:57,688 MAN: Oh! 1376 00:57:57,689 --> 00:58:00,093 - ( man cheering ) - ( belches ) 1377 00:58:00,094 --> 00:58:01,929 MAN: It all gets back to money. 1378 00:58:01,930 --> 00:58:03,699 As long as people continue to buy 1379 00:58:03,700 --> 00:58:06,738 Mark McGuire shirts, Barry Bonds hats, 1380 00:58:06,739 --> 00:58:09,142 we're feeding that monster. 1381 00:58:09,143 --> 00:58:11,647 You vote for the Raiders by wearing the Raiders hat. 1382 00:58:11,648 --> 00:58:13,417 You cast your vote for Nike with your T-shirt. 1383 00:58:13,418 --> 00:58:15,988 You know, every day when you pick a dollar out of your pocket 1384 00:58:15,989 --> 00:58:18,159 you're voting. And if you don't like 1385 00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,498 athletes juicing up, then don't vote to have that done. 1386 00:58:21,499 --> 00:58:23,669 Don't buy their stuff. Don't go to the game. 1387 00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:25,673 Do steroids. Become governor. 1388 00:58:25,674 --> 00:58:27,844 Be big and strong, no girly man. 1389 00:58:27,845 --> 00:58:30,215 - The Giants, baby! - Whoo! 1390 00:58:30,216 --> 00:58:32,752 Shockey! 1391 00:58:32,753 --> 00:58:34,489 Whoo! 1392 00:58:34,490 --> 00:58:36,259 CHRIS: Since the steroid scandals broke 1393 00:58:36,260 --> 00:58:38,330 sports revenue has gone through the roof. 1394 00:58:38,331 --> 00:58:41,803 People are buying more tickets, T-shirts as souvenirs than ever. 1395 00:58:41,804 --> 00:58:44,274 So if this is what we the people are voting for, 1396 00:58:44,275 --> 00:58:46,845 why did Congress get involved? 1397 00:58:46,846 --> 00:58:49,083 They always tell you that if you have a problem, 1398 00:58:49,084 --> 00:58:51,086 Talk to your Congressman. 1399 00:58:51,087 --> 00:58:54,125 Lucky for me, my Congressman is Henry Waxman. 1400 00:58:54,126 --> 00:58:55,928 - Hey, how are you? - I'm fine. How are you? 1401 00:58:55,929 --> 00:58:57,465 Very nice to meet you. Chris Bell. 1402 00:58:57,466 --> 00:58:58,834 CHRIS: He's the one who called 1403 00:58:58,835 --> 00:59:00,837 the baseball hearings in the first place. 1404 00:59:00,838 --> 00:59:02,841 He's got to have some answers. 1405 00:59:02,842 --> 00:59:04,845 I think it's important 1406 00:59:04,846 --> 00:59:07,616 for sports figures 1407 00:59:07,617 --> 00:59:10,054 in major league sports 1408 00:59:10,055 --> 00:59:12,058 not to be allowed 1409 00:59:12,059 --> 00:59:15,130 to use steroids under any circumstance. 1410 00:59:15,131 --> 00:59:17,000 And for young people-- 1411 00:59:17,001 --> 00:59:19,638 we certainly don't want them to be using it. 1412 00:59:19,639 --> 00:59:22,911 So the drug is a restricted drug. 1413 00:59:22,912 --> 00:59:25,516 It's not-- there's not a-- 1414 00:59:25,517 --> 00:59:28,221 Let me-- 1415 00:59:28,222 --> 00:59:30,558 Brian, is it illegal to use--? 1416 00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:32,429 it's illegal-- it's legal 1417 00:59:32,430 --> 00:59:34,098 under some circumstances. What's--? 1418 00:59:34,099 --> 00:59:35,835 BRIAN: It's legal with a prescription-- 1419 00:59:35,836 --> 00:59:38,106 - legal with-- okay. - --A medical prescription. 1420 00:59:38,107 --> 00:59:39,976 It's legal with a medical prescription. 1421 00:59:39,977 --> 00:59:41,880 And the other drug was the... 1422 00:59:41,881 --> 00:59:44,050 testosterone or just steroids in general. 1423 00:59:44,051 --> 00:59:46,421 Well, I think that they're also banned. 1424 00:59:46,422 --> 00:59:49,026 They're already banned in professional sports. 1425 00:59:49,027 --> 00:59:51,297 Brian, am I right? Speak up if I'm wrong. 1426 00:59:51,298 --> 00:59:52,466 - Yes. - Okay. 1427 00:59:52,467 --> 00:59:54,737 Well, these products are already banned. 1428 00:59:54,738 --> 00:59:57,842 Cigarettes and alcohol 1429 00:59:57,843 --> 00:59:59,846 are legally available, 1430 00:59:59,847 --> 01:00:02,651 but not if you're under the age. 1431 01:00:02,652 --> 01:00:04,655 And I think the age 1432 01:00:04,656 --> 01:00:07,426 is 18 for both all around the country. 1433 01:00:07,427 --> 01:00:10,599 Is it 18 or 21? I'm getting confused. What? 1434 01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,101 - BRIAN: 21. - CHRIS: 21. 1435 01:00:12,102 --> 01:00:14,039 - Okay, so strike that. - That's all right. 1436 01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,076 President Bush allotted 1437 01:00:16,077 --> 01:00:18,514 $15 million for steroid education. 1438 01:00:18,515 --> 01:00:20,450 Where has that money gone? 1439 01:00:20,451 --> 01:00:23,189 Um, I don't know. 1440 01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:25,660 Do you know? 1441 01:00:25,661 --> 01:00:27,163 Okay, we don't know. ( laughs ) 1442 01:00:27,164 --> 01:00:30,001 - Okay. - So... 1443 01:00:30,002 --> 01:00:32,005 JEFF TAYLOR: It's a war on drugs 1444 01:00:32,006 --> 01:00:34,042 and Congressmen want to be tough on drugs, 1445 01:00:34,043 --> 01:00:36,045 so they just demonize them all. 1446 01:00:36,046 --> 01:00:38,183 And they say, "oh, our children are being exposed to them. 1447 01:00:38,184 --> 01:00:40,187 They're gonna kill our children." 1448 01:00:40,188 --> 01:00:42,625 And they just paint everything in black and white. 1449 01:00:42,626 --> 01:00:44,896 And they really don't see the areas in between. 1450 01:00:44,897 --> 01:00:47,100 For those of us who live in the grey areas 1451 01:00:47,101 --> 01:00:48,936 and whose life depends on it. 1452 01:00:48,937 --> 01:00:50,538 It's a very important issue. 1453 01:00:50,539 --> 01:00:52,743 Politicians are always looking 1454 01:00:52,744 --> 01:00:54,780 for an issue to get behind. 1455 01:00:54,781 --> 01:00:56,617 They're always looking for something 1456 01:00:56,618 --> 01:00:58,453 to be able to say to the public, 1457 01:00:58,454 --> 01:01:00,324 "hey, look at what my legislation's doing. 1458 01:01:00,325 --> 01:01:01,693 Look at what my bill has done. 1459 01:01:01,694 --> 01:01:04,564 I'm out there. I'm protecting you. 1460 01:01:04,565 --> 01:01:06,635 I'm protecting the children." 1461 01:01:06,636 --> 01:01:08,739 CHRIS: Turns out the most important witness 1462 01:01:08,740 --> 01:01:11,578 at the baseball hearings was not a famous athlete. 1463 01:01:11,579 --> 01:01:14,050 Taylor Hooton was a 17-year-old kid 1464 01:01:14,051 --> 01:01:17,489 who committed suicide and his father blamed steroids. 1465 01:01:17,490 --> 01:01:20,395 I believe the poor example 1466 01:01:20,396 --> 01:01:22,733 being set by professional athletes 1467 01:01:22,734 --> 01:01:25,204 is a major catalyst fueling 1468 01:01:25,205 --> 01:01:27,575 the high usage of steroids amongst our kids. 1469 01:01:27,576 --> 01:01:29,812 And parents across America 1470 01:01:29,813 --> 01:01:32,149 should hold you accountable 1471 01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:34,554 for behavior that inspires our kids 1472 01:01:34,555 --> 01:01:36,958 to do things that put their health at risk 1473 01:01:36,959 --> 01:01:38,962 and that teaches them that the ethics 1474 01:01:38,963 --> 01:01:41,467 we try to teach them around our kitchen table 1475 01:01:41,468 --> 01:01:43,938 somehow don't apply to them. 1476 01:01:43,939 --> 01:01:45,942 Please help us to see 1477 01:01:45,943 --> 01:01:48,613 that our children's lives were not lost in vain. 1478 01:01:48,614 --> 01:01:51,352 You have the power to do something about it 1479 01:01:51,353 --> 01:01:54,190 and we're counting on you to do so. 1480 01:01:54,191 --> 01:01:55,926 JOHN SWEENEY: Donald Hooton coming in 1481 01:01:55,927 --> 01:01:57,664 and putting a human face on it 1482 01:01:57,665 --> 01:02:01,137 was more powerful than the scientific-- 1483 01:02:01,138 --> 01:02:03,441 the statistics or any of that stuff. 1484 01:02:03,442 --> 01:02:06,112 CHRIS: On average, 5,000 kids a year 1485 01:02:06,113 --> 01:02:08,150 commit suicide in America. 1486 01:02:08,151 --> 01:02:10,821 And most parents never know exactly why. 1487 01:02:10,822 --> 01:02:13,159 I wanted to find out why Donald Hooton is so sure 1488 01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,763 that the answer could be as simple as steroids. 1489 01:02:23,713 --> 01:02:25,214 - How are you doing? - Fine. 1490 01:02:25,215 --> 01:02:27,318 - Chris Henry. - Don Hooton. Nice to meet you. 1491 01:02:27,319 --> 01:02:30,623 This is a very very competitive community 1492 01:02:30,624 --> 01:02:33,096 all the way from athletics to business. 1493 01:02:33,097 --> 01:02:36,334 So you wind up in an affluent area 1494 01:02:36,335 --> 01:02:39,640 where these kids can afford to play with this stuff. 1495 01:02:39,641 --> 01:02:41,978 And of course in hindsight as we look back, 1496 01:02:41,979 --> 01:02:44,082 all of the signs were staring us in the face-- 1497 01:02:44,083 --> 01:02:46,654 The behavior problems, the physical changes, 1498 01:02:46,655 --> 01:02:48,924 but we had no idea what we were looking at. 1499 01:02:48,925 --> 01:02:50,894 If we go back to the medical textbook, 1500 01:02:50,895 --> 01:02:53,800 the depression that comes along with steroid use is bad, 1501 01:02:53,801 --> 01:02:57,140 but it's worse in that four-to-six-week period 1502 01:02:57,141 --> 01:02:59,644 following stopping using this stuff. 1503 01:02:59,645 --> 01:03:01,915 And it was during that period 1504 01:03:01,916 --> 01:03:03,918 that his mother found him 1505 01:03:03,919 --> 01:03:06,423 hanging on the door in his bedroom. 1506 01:03:06,424 --> 01:03:07,759 Jeez. 1507 01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,762 Taylor Hooton's dad, Don Hooton, 1508 01:03:09,763 --> 01:03:12,968 called me shortly after 1509 01:03:12,969 --> 01:03:15,540 Taylor had taken his life. 1510 01:03:15,541 --> 01:03:18,244 Together we came up with the idea 1511 01:03:18,245 --> 01:03:20,349 of creating a private organization... 1512 01:03:20,350 --> 01:03:22,319 ...to educate the public 1513 01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,322 about the dangers 1514 01:03:24,323 --> 01:03:26,626 of anabolic steroid abuse. 1515 01:03:26,627 --> 01:03:28,497 This is Taylor's room. 1516 01:03:28,498 --> 01:03:30,334 You don't have to come in here long to realize 1517 01:03:30,335 --> 01:03:32,003 Taylor was a baseball player. 1518 01:03:32,004 --> 01:03:36,044 'Cause he started maybe five years old in T-ball. 1519 01:03:36,045 --> 01:03:40,085 But Taylor was a great kid. 1520 01:03:40,086 --> 01:03:42,356 We took Taylor to a psychiatrist 1521 01:03:42,357 --> 01:03:45,294 and she put him on a low dose of Lexapro. 1522 01:03:45,295 --> 01:03:47,766 And as far as I know, 1523 01:03:47,767 --> 01:03:50,404 this is the only steroid-related case 1524 01:03:50,405 --> 01:03:54,178 that this well-meaning psychiatrist had ever had. 1525 01:03:54,179 --> 01:03:57,851 And when the psychiatrist recommended that Taylor go cold turkey 1526 01:03:57,852 --> 01:04:00,189 and stop using steroids... 1527 01:04:02,226 --> 01:04:04,396 it was a formula for disaster. 1528 01:04:04,397 --> 01:04:06,734 I feel terrible, obviously, about Taylor Hooton, 1529 01:04:06,735 --> 01:04:09,105 But Taylor Hooton had a lot of problems 1530 01:04:09,106 --> 01:04:11,109 and he was on other drugs. 1531 01:04:11,110 --> 01:04:13,112 According to some newspaper accounts, 1532 01:04:13,113 --> 01:04:15,717 he was on S.S.R.I.S-- antidepressants 1533 01:04:15,718 --> 01:04:17,720 which have been shown to be associated 1534 01:04:17,721 --> 01:04:20,626 with suicidal ideation and suicidal behavior. 1535 01:04:20,627 --> 01:04:23,531 So whether his suicide was due to Lexapro 1536 01:04:23,532 --> 01:04:25,669 or due to steroids or due to depression 1537 01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:28,006 or due to stress of being a great athlete, 1538 01:04:28,007 --> 01:04:30,177 there are five other things-- I don't know. 1539 01:04:30,178 --> 01:04:32,315 Do you think that perhaps-- 1540 01:04:32,316 --> 01:04:35,120 when I look at your website, 1541 01:04:35,121 --> 01:04:37,924 The Taylor Hooton Foundation-- 1542 01:04:37,925 --> 01:04:40,329 do you think it's a responsibility 1543 01:04:40,330 --> 01:04:44,136 to include antidepressants in there 1544 01:04:44,137 --> 01:04:46,140 just in case there are critics 1545 01:04:46,141 --> 01:04:48,144 or just to raise the awareness 1546 01:04:48,145 --> 01:04:50,882 of how dangerous perhaps antidepressants may be? 1547 01:04:50,883 --> 01:04:52,886 No, I don't. And the reason is, 1548 01:04:52,887 --> 01:04:56,024 our battle is not with antidepressants. Our battle's with steroids. 1549 01:04:56,025 --> 01:04:58,963 The National Institute on Drug Abuse said 1550 01:04:58,964 --> 01:05:00,967 the dangers of anabolic steroids 1551 01:05:00,968 --> 01:05:03,439 are temporary and reversible. 1552 01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,442 My son is dead. 1553 01:05:07,747 --> 01:05:11,286 All of the intellectual arguments 1554 01:05:11,287 --> 01:05:12,755 about whether or not 1555 01:05:12,756 --> 01:05:16,328 steroids are dangerous or not 1556 01:05:16,329 --> 01:05:18,332 don't matter to me. 1557 01:05:18,333 --> 01:05:20,269 I know they're dangerous. 1558 01:05:20,270 --> 01:05:23,576 I saw it with my own eyes and I watched my son die. 1559 01:05:23,577 --> 01:05:26,247 The only evidence I need is the pictures of my son 1560 01:05:26,248 --> 01:05:28,250 that are on the wall behind you. 1561 01:05:28,251 --> 01:05:29,152 Mm-hmm. 1562 01:05:32,025 --> 01:05:33,994 JOHN ROMANO: Look, I have a son too. 1563 01:05:33,995 --> 01:05:36,666 And the last thing in the world I could ever imagine doing 1564 01:05:36,667 --> 01:05:38,603 is burying that kid. And it would probably 1565 01:05:38,604 --> 01:05:40,373 ruin me for the rest of my life. 1566 01:05:40,374 --> 01:05:42,543 And I can see where having a cause 1567 01:05:42,544 --> 01:05:45,282 to sort of assuage the feelings of guilt 1568 01:05:45,283 --> 01:05:48,354 and depression that are following my son's death 1569 01:05:48,355 --> 01:05:51,527 would probably be helpful. "Let's not let this happen to somebody else." 1570 01:05:51,528 --> 01:05:53,998 But they're chasing the wrong thing. 1571 01:05:53,999 --> 01:05:55,567 They're not doing it right. 1572 01:05:55,568 --> 01:05:57,571 We're working with major league baseball 1573 01:05:57,572 --> 01:05:59,575 to make that happen now 1574 01:05:59,576 --> 01:06:02,146 where hopefully in each local stadium 1575 01:06:02,147 --> 01:06:04,584 there's gonna be a steroid awareness night. 1576 01:06:04,585 --> 01:06:06,588 Do you find it ironic at all 1577 01:06:06,589 --> 01:06:09,627 to have a steroid awareness night for baseball 1578 01:06:09,628 --> 01:06:11,598 in a stadium that sells alcohol 1579 01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:13,969 which is responsible for a lot of deaths as a drug? 1580 01:06:16,274 --> 01:06:18,109 Alcohol's legal to sell. 1581 01:06:18,110 --> 01:06:20,113 And we can argue all day long 1582 01:06:20,114 --> 01:06:24,187 Whether tobacco kills and whether alcohol kills, 1583 01:06:24,188 --> 01:06:26,191 and there's a clear distinction in my mind 1584 01:06:26,192 --> 01:06:28,963 between tobacco or alcohol 1585 01:06:28,964 --> 01:06:32,369 and steroids and methamphetamines and coke. 1586 01:06:32,370 --> 01:06:34,139 - Thanks for sharing that with us. - All right. 1587 01:06:34,140 --> 01:06:36,042 I know how hard it can be and everything. 1588 01:06:36,043 --> 01:06:37,144 This is important stuff. 1589 01:06:40,685 --> 01:06:42,688 ( marching band playing, cheerleaders cheering ) 1590 01:06:52,607 --> 01:06:54,977 MARK: Anybody who asks me about it-- 1591 01:06:54,978 --> 01:06:56,814 I let them know. I tell them why. 1592 01:06:56,815 --> 01:06:59,719 I tell them how much I take. I'll tell them anything 1593 01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,725 - they want to ask me about them 'cause I think-- - What about the kids? 1594 01:07:02,726 --> 01:07:05,564 The kids are different because-- 1595 01:07:05,565 --> 01:07:08,201 a couple kids asked me in front of the whole group 1596 01:07:08,202 --> 01:07:09,805 and I had to lie about it 1597 01:07:09,806 --> 01:07:12,310 because this whole steroid thing is just out of hand. 1598 01:07:12,311 --> 01:07:14,414 I know coach Henry doesn't take any steroids. 1599 01:07:14,415 --> 01:07:16,517 He's just 100% strong. 1600 01:07:16,518 --> 01:07:19,055 I think somebody asked him if he was on steroids 1601 01:07:19,056 --> 01:07:21,794 and he said no. And I completely believe him. 1602 01:07:21,795 --> 01:07:23,897 He just teaches that steroids are basically-- 1603 01:07:23,898 --> 01:07:25,734 they're a cheap way out of doing hard work. 1604 01:07:25,735 --> 01:07:28,105 MARK: I say they're not for kids. 1605 01:07:28,106 --> 01:07:31,077 Steroids are not for kids. That's plain and simple. 1606 01:07:31,078 --> 01:07:33,181 You should achieve things naturally 1607 01:07:33,182 --> 01:07:35,151 and then maybe you should think about them 1608 01:07:35,152 --> 01:07:36,754 when you're an adult. 1609 01:07:36,755 --> 01:07:38,758 The main reason why I don't take steroids 1610 01:07:38,759 --> 01:07:41,263 is 'cause he got it into my head that I don't need 'em, 1611 01:07:41,264 --> 01:07:44,669 that I got the potential right now as a teenager to get as strong as I want. 1612 01:07:44,670 --> 01:07:47,307 MARK: What good would it do them to know that I take steroids? 1613 01:07:47,308 --> 01:07:49,711 It wouldn't do them any good. They'd just be like, 1614 01:07:49,712 --> 01:07:52,082 "oh, man, he's a cheater. 1615 01:07:52,083 --> 01:07:53,953 Would you ever tell our parents that you do it? 1616 01:07:53,954 --> 01:07:57,526 Um, I mean, you know, 1617 01:07:57,527 --> 01:07:59,529 if they asked me. 1618 01:07:59,530 --> 01:08:02,468 I only cooked two pounds. 1619 01:08:02,469 --> 01:08:05,173 I hope it's enough. 1620 01:08:05,174 --> 01:08:07,511 CHRIS: You know, we went to church all the time. 1621 01:08:07,512 --> 01:08:09,415 I grew up in a great family. 1622 01:08:09,416 --> 01:08:11,418 I don't think I could ask 1623 01:08:11,419 --> 01:08:13,822 for anybody better to be parents, you know. 1624 01:08:13,823 --> 01:08:18,364 And when I went to the U.S.C. 1625 01:08:18,365 --> 01:08:20,435 I didn't do any drugs. I didn't do anything. 1626 01:08:20,436 --> 01:08:22,739 - 'Cause you're a good boy. - Well... 1627 01:08:22,740 --> 01:08:25,277 And then I got to a point where I actually tried steroids. 1628 01:08:25,278 --> 01:08:27,915 I tried Winstrol, which is injections. 1629 01:08:27,916 --> 01:08:30,152 You injected a needle in yourself? 1630 01:08:30,153 --> 01:08:31,722 MIKE: It's just in the muscle. 1631 01:08:31,723 --> 01:08:33,425 Yeah, 'cause you get to a point where you're like, 1632 01:08:33,426 --> 01:08:35,630 "I'm getting out of shape. I don't feel like I used to." 1633 01:08:35,631 --> 01:08:37,633 The reason I stopped doing it was 1634 01:08:37,634 --> 01:08:40,004 because I thought it was immoral. 1635 01:08:40,005 --> 01:08:42,475 I thought it was so wrong and like, 1636 01:08:42,476 --> 01:08:44,679 "what if my parents found out I did this?" 1637 01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:46,516 I think it's really hard to hear 1638 01:08:46,517 --> 01:08:49,655 - that you tried 'em and everything, but-- - For you. 1639 01:08:49,656 --> 01:08:51,125 It's not hard for me. 1640 01:08:51,126 --> 01:08:54,363 What I'm saying is that it's hard to hear. 1641 01:08:54,364 --> 01:08:56,367 And what about mark? I mean, 1642 01:08:56,368 --> 01:08:58,938 how come you're staying big but you're not getting fat? 1643 01:08:58,939 --> 01:09:01,410 - You're just-- - I'm getting fatter. 1644 01:09:01,411 --> 01:09:03,347 No, but your face is rounder. 1645 01:09:03,348 --> 01:09:05,518 - I put on body fat. - MIKE: He's about-- 1646 01:09:05,519 --> 01:09:08,289 You're about 7% or 8% higher than what you normally are, wouldn't you say? 1647 01:09:08,290 --> 01:09:09,992 I have no idea. I don't really care either. 1648 01:09:09,993 --> 01:09:11,662 CHRIS: He's already married. He doesn't care. 1649 01:09:11,663 --> 01:09:13,933 ROSEMARY: Except Smelly's not saying anything. 1650 01:09:13,934 --> 01:09:16,571 Don't let your brothers overrun your conversation. 1651 01:09:18,876 --> 01:09:21,146 SHELDON: When you get caught with something 1652 01:09:21,147 --> 01:09:24,486 I think the truth is always the fastest way 1653 01:09:24,487 --> 01:09:26,189 out of the situation, 1654 01:09:26,190 --> 01:09:28,393 but it's not always the best way out. 1655 01:09:28,394 --> 01:09:30,630 You know, she's concerned. She's being a mom 1656 01:09:30,631 --> 01:09:35,005 and she's just trying to leave it open 1657 01:09:35,006 --> 01:09:37,342 where I could say, "Yeah, you know what? I do 'em. 1658 01:09:37,343 --> 01:09:40,515 And this is why." I think that's what she's looking for. 1659 01:09:40,516 --> 01:09:43,053 But she's still never directly asked me. 1660 01:09:43,054 --> 01:09:46,092 So until that time comes I ain't sayin' nothin'. 1661 01:09:46,093 --> 01:09:47,862 ( chuckles ) 1662 01:09:47,863 --> 01:09:50,667 SHELDON: People have a tendency to cheat at everything. 1663 01:09:50,668 --> 01:09:52,670 And that happens with taxes too, 1664 01:09:52,671 --> 01:09:55,510 just like it could with steroids or any other thing. 1665 01:09:55,511 --> 01:10:00,117 It's human nature. It's the sinful nature of men. 1666 01:10:00,119 --> 01:10:01,888 CHRIS: My dad convinced mad dog and his wife 1667 01:10:01,889 --> 01:10:04,025 To settle down in Poughkeepsie. 1668 01:10:04,026 --> 01:10:06,797 And he's been doing income taxes for the same guys he used to wrestle with. 1669 01:10:06,798 --> 01:10:09,268 I keep a couple things around, not too much. 1670 01:10:09,269 --> 01:10:11,238 Big john. John always keeps it real. 1671 01:10:11,239 --> 01:10:14,143 This just says "To Mad Dog. Thanks for everything." 1672 01:10:14,144 --> 01:10:17,416 CHRIS: Not exactly how he thought his life would turn out. 1673 01:10:17,417 --> 01:10:19,152 MIKE: I get up, I go to the office, 1674 01:10:19,153 --> 01:10:21,290 you know, I make money for them, I make money for me. 1675 01:10:21,291 --> 01:10:23,794 I got a great wife. I got a great family. 1676 01:10:23,795 --> 01:10:25,798 But I wanted to be a famous wrestler 1677 01:10:25,799 --> 01:10:28,203 and, you know, I wanted to live the life. 1678 01:10:28,204 --> 01:10:30,774 I wanted to be on the road, travel, meeting people, 1679 01:10:30,775 --> 01:10:32,778 Making money, having fun-- 1680 01:10:32,779 --> 01:10:34,647 you know, living the life. 1681 01:10:34,648 --> 01:10:36,585 SHELDON: He'll break down and he'll be crying 1682 01:10:36,586 --> 01:10:38,555 and he'll say, like, "dad, the biggest fear 1683 01:10:38,556 --> 01:10:40,558 I ever had in my life was being average Joe. 1684 01:10:40,559 --> 01:10:42,929 And I'm 36 years old and that's all I can see for myself." 1685 01:10:42,930 --> 01:10:44,299 CHRIS: What do you want to do now? 1686 01:10:44,300 --> 01:10:46,737 Where do you see yourself going? 1687 01:10:46,738 --> 01:10:50,477 I mean, you know, the immediate goal was to get out of Poughkeepsie, 1688 01:10:50,478 --> 01:10:53,716 move to California, establish my name 1689 01:10:53,717 --> 01:10:57,857 and then start my own business eventually. 1690 01:10:57,858 --> 01:11:00,229 Seemed like he was making good progress, okay? 1691 01:11:00,230 --> 01:11:01,765 But he wasn't making any progress. 1692 01:11:01,766 --> 01:11:03,436 I told him the other night, I said, 1693 01:11:03,437 --> 01:11:05,807 "you might be fooling everybody else, 1694 01:11:05,808 --> 01:11:07,509 but you're not fooling me. 1695 01:11:07,510 --> 01:11:09,680 You're full of shit. You're still on stuff." 1696 01:11:09,681 --> 01:11:11,851 Why do you think he would tell us about it? 1697 01:11:11,852 --> 01:11:14,522 He tells me everything else, you know, that he's doing. 1698 01:11:14,523 --> 01:11:16,526 I think he's partially embarrassed 1699 01:11:16,527 --> 01:11:19,631 and I think he's-- 1700 01:11:19,632 --> 01:11:21,969 that's part of addictive behavior. 1701 01:11:21,970 --> 01:11:25,342 His thing is this-- "I'm gonna be fine as soon as I'm out of here. 1702 01:11:25,343 --> 01:11:28,280 I'm gonna go live in California. My life is gonna be perfect." 1703 01:11:28,281 --> 01:11:31,854 But if he really believes that-- no, he's not gonna be fine at all. 1704 01:11:31,855 --> 01:11:34,593 You know who I feel bad for? I feel bad for Nadine. 1705 01:11:34,594 --> 01:11:36,662 'Cause here's a young girl who's married, 1706 01:11:36,663 --> 01:11:39,702 whose hopes and dreams and life 1707 01:11:39,703 --> 01:11:42,640 is in him, and he's a screw-up. 1708 01:11:42,641 --> 01:11:46,046 And if he ends up overdosing and killing himself 1709 01:11:46,047 --> 01:11:48,819 or if he ends up on the rocks, he's taking her with him. 1710 01:11:48,820 --> 01:11:51,690 I'm not moving out there with the hopes and dreams of-- 1711 01:11:51,691 --> 01:11:54,095 I'm not gonna wait tables and hope I'm gonna be an actor. 1712 01:11:54,096 --> 01:11:55,865 I already did that-- 15 years of wrestling. 1713 01:11:55,866 --> 01:11:57,234 You think you'll get noticed? 1714 01:11:57,235 --> 01:11:59,271 I'm not moving out to get noticed, 1715 01:11:59,272 --> 01:12:01,308 but you're never gonna get noticed in Poughkeepsie. 1716 01:12:01,309 --> 01:12:03,746 In Hollywood you're walking down the street, somebody sees you-- 1717 01:12:03,747 --> 01:12:05,716 "hey, you got a minute?" you just never know. 1718 01:12:05,717 --> 01:12:07,720 You don't think there's any way 1719 01:12:07,721 --> 01:12:09,723 he can get past it? 1720 01:12:09,724 --> 01:12:11,961 A miracle. 1721 01:12:14,300 --> 01:12:16,970 I'm serious. 1722 01:12:16,971 --> 01:12:19,475 I think they're gonna find him dead someday. 1723 01:12:19,476 --> 01:12:23,014 I thought bringing up boys-- this is easy. 1724 01:12:23,015 --> 01:12:25,787 At least I don't have a daughter who's, like, 1725 01:12:25,788 --> 01:12:27,890 got her face in the bowl throwing up. 1726 01:12:27,891 --> 01:12:30,996 You know, did I-- did I do something 1727 01:12:30,997 --> 01:12:33,000 as a mother 1728 01:12:33,001 --> 01:12:35,538 To make you feel, 1729 01:12:35,539 --> 01:12:37,274 like, not good enough? 1730 01:12:37,275 --> 01:12:40,280 When Mike went off to college and he calls your father up 1731 01:12:40,281 --> 01:12:41,749 and says, "can I try steroids?" 1732 01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:45,389 "No, you're not getting money to try steroids." 1733 01:12:45,390 --> 01:12:50,131 You know, we both thought that was a crazy thing, so-- 1734 01:12:50,132 --> 01:12:52,269 but do you know where he ended up getting 'em from? 1735 01:12:52,270 --> 01:12:55,174 - No, but I wasn't gonna-- - He got 'em from your brother John. 1736 01:12:55,175 --> 01:12:56,577 No-- 1737 01:12:58,949 --> 01:13:01,352 So that's-- I mean, it's something that's like, 1738 01:13:01,353 --> 01:13:03,355 you know, in our family. 1739 01:13:03,356 --> 01:13:05,359 I mean, it's something that, like-- 1740 01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,864 Chris, you're already killing me with this as it is. 1741 01:13:07,865 --> 01:13:09,768 - Well, I'm telling-- - It just gets worse. 1742 01:13:09,769 --> 01:13:11,437 I'm just telling you the truth. 1743 01:13:11,438 --> 01:13:14,175 I'm just trying to tell you how I feel as a mother. 1744 01:13:14,176 --> 01:13:16,780 I am broken to my soul. 1745 01:13:16,781 --> 01:13:18,450 My heart is broken. 1746 01:13:20,154 --> 01:13:22,157 When you were growing up Hulk Hogan-- 1747 01:13:22,158 --> 01:13:24,228 look what he's saying. "take your vitamins, 1748 01:13:24,229 --> 01:13:26,432 say your prayers--" and what? 1749 01:13:26,433 --> 01:13:28,735 - "believe in yourself." - Yeah, but it's not true. 1750 01:13:28,736 --> 01:13:31,474 - So I started working out. - "Take your steroids," okay? 1751 01:13:31,475 --> 01:13:33,912 I don't know if he ever prays or not. 1752 01:13:33,913 --> 01:13:37,819 Never heard him talk about god in his whole life, okay? 1753 01:13:37,820 --> 01:13:39,823 Now that time has gone by, 1754 01:13:39,824 --> 01:13:41,726 I'm like, "is this guy a fraud?" 1755 01:13:41,727 --> 01:13:44,265 And that's where I think that everybody needs 1756 01:13:44,266 --> 01:13:47,303 to begin to accept-- "I am who I am," 1757 01:13:47,304 --> 01:13:49,274 said Popeye the sailor man. 1758 01:13:49,275 --> 01:13:51,310 He even was a gyp. 1759 01:13:51,311 --> 01:13:53,916 - He had to take spinach. - He had to take spinach. 1760 01:13:53,917 --> 01:13:56,420 Everybody needs something. I mean, what's up with that? 1761 01:13:56,421 --> 01:13:59,292 If I just accept who I am right now, isn't that just giving up? 1762 01:13:59,293 --> 01:14:01,563 No, accept who you are as a person. 1763 01:14:01,564 --> 01:14:03,733 Then your body image is something different. 1764 01:14:03,734 --> 01:14:06,238 Do you think a fat person hasn't tried everything 1765 01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:08,909 that's legal? But I'm not gonna cross the line. 1766 01:14:08,910 --> 01:14:12,182 The Bible lays everything out about how to live your life. 1767 01:14:12,183 --> 01:14:14,420 - But the bible can't solve all your problems. - It can. 1768 01:14:14,421 --> 01:14:17,325 I can't pray to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger. It's not gonna happen. 1769 01:14:17,326 --> 01:14:19,963 No, you can't pray to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger, 1770 01:14:19,964 --> 01:14:21,967 but neither can you take enough steroids 1771 01:14:21,968 --> 01:14:24,906 or enough human growth hormone to look like him either. 1772 01:14:24,907 --> 01:14:27,310 - But you can get as close as you can. - It's not gonna happen. 1773 01:14:27,311 --> 01:14:30,048 You're fearfully and wonderfully made. 1774 01:14:30,049 --> 01:14:33,588 Every sinew in your body, every muscle, every fiber 1775 01:14:33,589 --> 01:14:35,993 was made by god. And you're exactly 1776 01:14:35,994 --> 01:14:37,997 who he intended you to be. 1777 01:14:37,998 --> 01:14:41,135 And so what? To somebody with a six-pack of abs. 1778 01:14:41,136 --> 01:14:43,139 Maybe they don't have what you have. 1779 01:14:43,140 --> 01:14:46,279 I mean, you know, why don't you ever think that way too? 1780 01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:49,517 What I don't get is why did our boys 1781 01:14:49,518 --> 01:14:52,556 Not feel that they were good enough? 1782 01:14:55,696 --> 01:14:59,001 My father or my grandfather 1783 01:14:59,002 --> 01:15:00,972 never worried about 1784 01:15:00,973 --> 01:15:02,976 whether they had a six-pack of abdominals 1785 01:15:02,977 --> 01:15:05,447 or what percentage of body fat they had. 1786 01:15:05,448 --> 01:15:09,521 So why is it now in the 21st century 1787 01:15:09,522 --> 01:15:11,658 that there's this huge preoccupation 1788 01:15:11,659 --> 01:15:13,796 with body image that just didn't exist before? 1789 01:15:13,797 --> 01:15:16,500 CHRIS: Dr. Harrison pope is a psychiatrist 1790 01:15:16,501 --> 01:15:20,040 who studies why American men are becoming more obsessed with their bodies. 1791 01:15:20,041 --> 01:15:22,845 So here we have G.I. Joe 1792 01:15:22,846 --> 01:15:25,149 from the 1960s. 1793 01:15:25,150 --> 01:15:27,854 This is when he first came out at the time of the Vietnam war. 1794 01:15:27,855 --> 01:15:29,992 He's a perfectly normal-looking dude. 1795 01:15:29,993 --> 01:15:33,431 Here is G.I. Joe from about 10 years later, 1796 01:15:33,432 --> 01:15:35,268 - from the mid-1970s. - He's got abs now. 1797 01:15:35,269 --> 01:15:37,873 He's clearly been putting in some time in the gym. 1798 01:15:37,874 --> 01:15:41,713 - And then here is G.I. Joe from the 1990s. - Oh, jeez. 1799 01:15:41,714 --> 01:15:44,551 The bicep is up to 16" or so, 1800 01:15:44,552 --> 01:15:46,589 full six-pack of abs, 1801 01:15:46,590 --> 01:15:48,826 even got serratus muscles visible on the side. 1802 01:15:48,827 --> 01:15:50,830 This evolution in the action figures 1803 01:15:50,831 --> 01:15:53,069 is a testimony 1804 01:15:53,070 --> 01:15:55,740 to this increased preoccupation with body image 1805 01:15:55,741 --> 01:15:57,844 that we've been seeing in the United States. 1806 01:15:57,845 --> 01:16:00,215 And it's funny that in our culture 1807 01:16:00,216 --> 01:16:03,154 we still tend to romanticize 1808 01:16:03,155 --> 01:16:05,158 steroids to a certain way-- 1809 01:16:05,159 --> 01:16:08,296 That you'll see an ad for an S.U.V. that says, 1810 01:16:08,297 --> 01:16:10,734 "this is our sedan on steroids." 1811 01:16:10,735 --> 01:16:12,805 But you wouldn't see an ad for an S.U.V. saying, 1812 01:16:12,806 --> 01:16:14,709 "this is our sedan on cocaine." 1813 01:16:14,710 --> 01:16:17,780 REPORTER: Well, it's sort of like a golf cart on steroids. 1814 01:16:17,781 --> 01:16:20,553 It looked like an easy-bake oven on steroids. 1815 01:16:20,554 --> 01:16:22,422 It's sort of the economy on steroids. 1816 01:16:22,423 --> 01:16:24,193 Think of it as Apollo on steroids. 1817 01:16:24,194 --> 01:16:26,797 This year the jet stream has really been on steroids. 1818 01:16:26,798 --> 01:16:30,404 Kosovo would be Bosnia on steroids. 1819 01:16:30,405 --> 01:16:32,608 MAN: Adding more U.S. trainers and advisors, 1820 01:16:32,609 --> 01:16:35,313 essentially putting the current strategy on steroids. 1821 01:16:35,314 --> 01:16:38,218 We are besieged every day 1822 01:16:38,219 --> 01:16:42,292 with images of muscular male bodies on T.V., 1823 01:16:42,293 --> 01:16:44,764 in the movies, in cartoons, on magazines 1824 01:16:44,047 --> 01:16:46,672 at the checkout counter in the department store, 1825 01:16:46,673 --> 01:16:49,632 all of which seem to give this message 1826 01:16:50,933 --> 01:16:53,893 that a real man is big and muscular. 1827 01:16:59,941 --> 01:17:01,733 There you go. Just like that. 1828 01:17:01,734 --> 01:17:04,318 Good. Give me some good abs, Christian. That's it. 1829 01:17:04,319 --> 01:17:06,404 I saw "Conan the Barbarian" when I was 11. 1830 01:17:06,405 --> 01:17:09,281 And at that moment I said, "that's exactly what I want to do." 1831 01:17:09,282 --> 01:17:11,699 And I started to study Arnold and his achievements. 1832 01:17:11,701 --> 01:17:13,702 So I started training with weights when I was 14. 1833 01:17:13,703 --> 01:17:15,412 I started taking steroids when I was 16. 1834 01:17:15,413 --> 01:17:17,496 So you're advertising a supplement. 1835 01:17:17,498 --> 01:17:19,624 So a guy like me goes and looks in the magazine 1836 01:17:19,625 --> 01:17:21,792 and I see Christian Boeving and I'm like, "wow, man, 1837 01:17:21,793 --> 01:17:23,961 I wanna look like that guy." so I go and take 1838 01:17:23,962 --> 01:17:26,088 Hydroxycut or some supplement 1839 01:17:26,089 --> 01:17:28,674 because I think that I'm gonna look like you. 1840 01:17:28,675 --> 01:17:30,967 But what I don't know is that you were taking steroids. 1841 01:17:30,969 --> 01:17:32,927 Do you have any problem with that? 1842 01:17:34,554 --> 01:17:36,513 That's a double-edged sword, my friend. 1843 01:17:36,514 --> 01:17:38,474 How to answer this? 1844 01:17:38,475 --> 01:17:40,475 Somebody looks at an ad with me in it 1845 01:17:40,476 --> 01:17:42,769 and says, "Christian Boeving takes Hydroxycut," 1846 01:17:42,770 --> 01:17:44,771 Which I did and I do. 1847 01:17:44,772 --> 01:17:47,314 That doesn't necessarily mean that I don't take something else. 1848 01:17:47,316 --> 01:17:49,108 If they choose to believe 1849 01:17:49,109 --> 01:17:51,485 that that's the only thing I'm taking to look like that, 1850 01:17:51,486 --> 01:17:53,445 then so be it. They should be smarter than that. 1851 01:17:53,446 --> 01:17:55,990 Is it misleading? Possibly a little bit, yeah. 1852 01:17:55,991 --> 01:17:59,076 But is it a lie? Absolutely not. 1853 01:17:59,077 --> 01:18:01,494 I'd say probably 80% to 90%-- I'm not kidding you-- 1854 01:18:01,495 --> 01:18:03,454 of all the stuff I see in magazines 1855 01:18:03,455 --> 01:18:06,290 is complete hogwash. It's ridiculous to me. 1856 01:18:06,291 --> 01:18:09,334 I don't understand why there's this need in advertising 1857 01:18:09,336 --> 01:18:11,128 To really manipulate things-- 1858 01:18:11,129 --> 01:18:13,129 The bone-thin fashion models 1859 01:18:13,130 --> 01:18:15,173 that got all kinds of eating disorders, 1860 01:18:15,174 --> 01:18:16,591 and with men it's the opposite. 1861 01:18:16,592 --> 01:18:18,510 They get the Adonis complex. 1862 01:18:18,511 --> 01:18:20,719 And then there's all kinds of trouble ahead 1863 01:18:20,721 --> 01:18:23,680 'cause you have all these kids who are like you and me when we were young 1864 01:18:23,682 --> 01:18:26,391 looking at all these people and they're perfect. 1865 01:18:26,393 --> 01:18:29,352 And how does that make somebody feel who's not as perfect 1866 01:18:29,353 --> 01:18:30,687 as the people they're seeing? Not very good. 1867 01:18:32,231 --> 01:18:34,273 So this stuff I've tried-- 1868 01:18:34,274 --> 01:18:35,858 loaded with sugar. 1869 01:18:35,859 --> 01:18:38,652 I've tried this. I've tried this. 1870 01:18:38,654 --> 01:18:39,904 Of course I've tried this. 1871 01:18:39,905 --> 01:18:41,488 Everybody I think's tried muscle milk. 1872 01:18:41,490 --> 01:18:43,282 I've tried this. I've tried this. 1873 01:18:43,283 --> 01:18:44,992 I've tried all these drinks. 1874 01:18:44,993 --> 01:18:47,910 If speed stack weren't enough, you have extreme speed stack. 1875 01:18:47,911 --> 01:18:50,037 REHAN JALALI: The supplement industry is very unregulated. 1876 01:18:50,039 --> 01:18:51,956 You don't have to have F.D.A. approval 1877 01:18:51,957 --> 01:18:53,666 To come out with a dietary supplement. 1878 01:18:53,667 --> 01:18:55,834 That gives people room to come out 1879 01:18:55,836 --> 01:18:58,212 with some lower-quality products. 1880 01:18:58,213 --> 01:19:00,964 This product says "new legal formula" on it. 1881 01:19:00,965 --> 01:19:03,425 ( laughs ) I don't know what the old formula really had in it. 1882 01:19:03,426 --> 01:19:05,301 "Belizean Man Vine Extract." 1883 01:19:05,302 --> 01:19:07,094 ( laughs ) I don't want any part of that. 1884 01:19:07,096 --> 01:19:09,597 "Best if used by date and lot number on bottom of can." 1885 01:19:09,598 --> 01:19:10,889 Yeah. 1886 01:19:10,890 --> 01:19:12,932 ( laughs ) 1887 01:19:12,934 --> 01:19:14,767 CHRIS: I always thought the health industry 1888 01:19:14,769 --> 01:19:16,686 was about, you know, health. 1889 01:19:16,687 --> 01:19:18,772 Why does it feel like we're back in the wild west? 1890 01:19:18,773 --> 01:19:20,398 It'll clean your teeth and curl your hair! 1891 01:19:20,399 --> 01:19:21,815 The best in the west. 1892 01:19:21,816 --> 01:19:23,693 I wouldn't be dead without a bottle. 1893 01:19:23,694 --> 01:19:27,278 CHRIS: Well, we can all thank the senator from Utah, Orrin Hatch. 1894 01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,364 Look how good he looks. 1895 01:19:29,366 --> 01:19:31,658 I want to get his brand is what I want to do. 1896 01:19:31,659 --> 01:19:34,453 CHRIS: See, the health industry is big business in Utah. 1897 01:19:34,454 --> 01:19:37,830 They make almost a quarter of all the dietary supplements in America. 1898 01:19:37,831 --> 01:19:40,499 And supplements are a $24-billion industry. 1899 01:19:40,501 --> 01:19:42,459 So you do the math. 1900 01:19:42,460 --> 01:19:45,461 Making supplements used to be like making prescription drugs. 1901 01:19:45,463 --> 01:19:47,714 You had to prove your product was safe and effective 1902 01:19:47,715 --> 01:19:51,050 before you could sell it. Well, the supplement cowboys in Utah 1903 01:19:51,051 --> 01:19:53,177 thought that was a real hassle. 1904 01:19:53,178 --> 01:19:56,054 So they asked their favorite senator to change the rules around. 1905 01:19:56,055 --> 01:19:58,599 And now you don't have to prove your product is safe at all. 1906 01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,475 And the F.D.A. has to prove that it's not safe 1907 01:20:00,476 --> 01:20:02,936 If they want to take it off the market. 1908 01:20:02,937 --> 01:20:04,437 What is this red goop? 1909 01:20:04,438 --> 01:20:07,148 This is the Canadian version of redline. 1910 01:20:07,149 --> 01:20:10,651 We had to take out some of the ingredients that aren't legal in Canada. 1911 01:20:10,652 --> 01:20:13,987 CHRIS: Thanks to this deregulation, the supplement industry exploded 1912 01:20:13,988 --> 01:20:17,824 And all sorts of new and interesting people got in on the action. 1913 01:20:17,825 --> 01:20:19,909 We were always a good team, whether we were selling drugs 1914 01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:21,827 or whether we were selling a supplement like we are now. 1915 01:20:21,829 --> 01:20:24,788 "Jekyll & Hyde" supplements, formulated to awaken your other side. 1916 01:20:24,790 --> 01:20:27,082 Take this and all of a sudden you become the freak, the monster. 1917 01:20:27,083 --> 01:20:29,084 Everybody wants to become a monster. 1918 01:20:29,085 --> 01:20:32,004 CHRIS: If Valentino can make a supplement I bet anyone can do it. 1919 01:20:32,005 --> 01:20:33,796 Hola. 1920 01:20:33,797 --> 01:20:36,466 - How many guys you need? - I need two guys. 1921 01:20:36,467 --> 01:20:38,342 - We're making dietary supplements. - Uh-huh. 1922 01:20:38,343 --> 01:20:40,553 And I just need a hand with a couple things. It'd be really easy. 1923 01:20:42,931 --> 01:20:44,765 All I need you guys to do is take the white-- 1924 01:20:44,766 --> 01:20:45,599 - MAN: Put inside? - CHRIS: Boom. 1925 01:20:48,604 --> 01:20:51,646 CHRIS: First you buy a bunch of really popular ingredients. 1926 01:20:51,648 --> 01:20:53,607 But the trick is I'm just gonna use 1927 01:20:53,609 --> 01:20:55,942 - a tiny amount of each one. - Oof. 1928 01:20:55,943 --> 01:20:59,362 It's what we like to call in the supplement biz "pixie dusting." 1929 01:20:59,363 --> 01:21:01,197 See, I can hide my secret formula 1930 01:21:01,198 --> 01:21:03,199 behind the term "proprietary blend" 1931 01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:05,242 and not reveal that it's pretty much 1932 01:21:05,244 --> 01:21:07,953 just a pillful of rice flour. 1933 01:21:07,955 --> 01:21:10,956 - ( man sneezing ) - It's a good way to make a lot of money. 1934 01:21:10,957 --> 01:21:13,292 Don't sneeze in the supplements here. 1935 01:21:13,293 --> 01:21:15,251 ( man laughs ) 1936 01:21:15,253 --> 01:21:17,879 CHRIS: But with all those expensive ingredients on the label 1937 01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,464 I can make this bottle for about a buck 40 1938 01:21:20,466 --> 01:21:22,716 and sell it for $60. 1939 01:21:22,717 --> 01:21:25,093 Thanks, Orrin. 1940 01:21:25,094 --> 01:21:27,220 We're in the supplement business now. 1941 01:21:27,221 --> 01:21:30,222 CHRIS: The scary part is that everything I just did is by the book-- 1942 01:21:30,223 --> 01:21:32,851 Well, except for the illegal-immigrant day laborers. 1943 01:21:32,852 --> 01:21:36,062 But hey, nobody's regulating them either. 1944 01:21:36,063 --> 01:21:38,564 Now I just need a misleading advertisement. 1945 01:21:38,565 --> 01:21:41,023 Do you airbrush these guys a lot when you put them in magazines? 1946 01:21:41,025 --> 01:21:43,276 Definitely. There's all kinds of techniques and tools 1947 01:21:43,277 --> 01:21:45,653 you can use to completely manipulate the body. 1948 01:21:45,654 --> 01:21:48,448 - Really? - In fact, some of the "before" and "after" pictures-- 1949 01:21:48,449 --> 01:21:50,700 They could be done on the same day. 1950 01:21:50,701 --> 01:21:52,367 You haven't shot them in the same day, though, have you? 1951 01:21:52,369 --> 01:21:54,370 - I have, actually. - Oh, you have? 1952 01:21:54,371 --> 01:21:56,288 - Yeah. - What do they do--? 1953 01:21:56,289 --> 01:21:58,957 Is this the self-editing part? I should keep my mouth shut? 1954 01:21:58,958 --> 01:22:01,000 I could take anybody and take a picture of them, 1955 01:22:01,001 --> 01:22:02,292 make them look their worst... 1956 01:22:02,294 --> 01:22:05,003 think horrible thoughts, depression. 1957 01:22:05,005 --> 01:22:07,089 ( giggles ) 1958 01:22:07,091 --> 01:22:09,340 ...and then through all kinds of ways 1959 01:22:09,342 --> 01:22:10,800 make them look their best. 1960 01:22:10,801 --> 01:22:13,136 Just don't cut my nipple off. 1961 01:22:13,137 --> 01:22:14,887 ( buzzing ) 1962 01:22:16,098 --> 01:22:18,098 Agh! 1963 01:22:19,309 --> 01:22:21,435 All right. Let me see here. Good. 1964 01:22:21,437 --> 01:22:23,229 One, two, three. 1965 01:22:23,230 --> 01:22:24,730 Good. 1966 01:22:24,731 --> 01:22:26,440 We can take it a step further if we want 1967 01:22:26,441 --> 01:22:28,275 in the befores and the afters. 1968 01:22:28,276 --> 01:22:29,901 Basically, you can take somebody 1969 01:22:29,902 --> 01:22:31,653 and make them a little fatter or shorter. 1970 01:22:31,654 --> 01:22:33,154 Are people falling for this? 1971 01:22:33,155 --> 01:22:35,073 They fall for it all the time. 1972 01:22:35,074 --> 01:22:37,825 And it's beyond what I can understand 1973 01:22:37,826 --> 01:22:39,827 because it looks so silly to me, 1974 01:22:39,828 --> 01:22:41,912 but of course I'm somebody who's had sort of an inside, 1975 01:22:41,913 --> 01:22:44,455 backstage pass to what's really occurred, 1976 01:22:44,457 --> 01:22:47,291 and I've been part of some of these scams that have played out. 1977 01:22:47,292 --> 01:22:49,419 CHRIS: So if unregulated dietary supplements 1978 01:22:49,420 --> 01:22:51,295 are marketed like steroids 1979 01:22:51,296 --> 01:22:53,839 and sold by people who are on steroids, 1980 01:22:53,841 --> 01:22:56,925 is it any wonder that so many people are just taking the real thing? 1981 01:22:56,926 --> 01:22:59,385 I mean, it's not like they're hard to get. 1982 01:22:59,386 --> 01:23:02,638 You can cross the border and buy them from a pet store in Mexico. 1983 01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,349 MAN: Testosterona, $15. 1984 01:23:05,351 --> 01:23:06,767 But it's for your dog, right? 1985 01:23:06,768 --> 01:23:08,476 Oh, it's for my dog. Yeah, I forgot. 1986 01:23:08,478 --> 01:23:10,771 Yeah yeah, my dog's anemic. 1987 01:23:10,772 --> 01:23:13,065 CHRIS: Or you can buy them on the internet like Mad Dog. 1988 01:23:13,066 --> 01:23:15,567 If you order online you can get the shit for $250 a kit 1989 01:23:15,568 --> 01:23:18,944 Instead of paying somebody on the black market $500 or $600 for a kit. 1990 01:23:18,945 --> 01:23:21,864 CHRIS: Or, if you have enough money, you can get it legally. 1991 01:23:21,865 --> 01:23:25,617 This is the annual convention for the anti-aging medicine-- 1992 01:23:25,618 --> 01:23:29,245 Booth after booth of all the taboo performance-enhancing drugs. 1993 01:23:29,247 --> 01:23:32,499 Stanozolol-- hey, that's what Ben Johnson used. 1994 01:23:32,500 --> 01:23:35,876 Nandrolone-- isn't that what Shawne Merriman got caught with? 1995 01:23:35,877 --> 01:23:37,461 Oh, and human growth hormone-- 1996 01:23:37,462 --> 01:23:39,629 They say Marion Jones was taking that. 1997 01:23:39,631 --> 01:23:41,757 Human growth hormone usage 1998 01:23:41,758 --> 01:23:43,884 has been rampant in baseball and other sports. 1999 01:23:43,885 --> 01:23:46,052 CHRIS: Athletes use H.G.H. because it works 2000 01:23:46,054 --> 01:23:48,763 A lot like anabolic steroids. And the best part is, 2001 01:23:48,765 --> 01:23:51,974 there's no way to test for it. Here's how you get it. 2002 01:23:51,975 --> 01:23:53,850 First you go to your anti-aging doctor. 2003 01:23:53,851 --> 01:23:56,477 Now the doctor might not be a medical doctor. 2004 01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:58,980 Like in my case-- he's a chiropractor. 2005 01:23:58,981 --> 01:24:01,232 And chiropractors can't prescribe drugs, 2006 01:24:01,233 --> 01:24:03,609 but that's okay. He just has another doctor 2007 01:24:03,610 --> 01:24:05,528 write the prescriptions for him. 2008 01:24:05,529 --> 01:24:08,530 But be careful-- prescribing hormones for anti-aging 2009 01:24:08,531 --> 01:24:12,409 is a felony. So you can't exactly tell your anti-aging doctor 2010 01:24:12,411 --> 01:24:14,410 that you're interested in anti-aging. 2011 01:24:14,412 --> 01:24:16,746 Not to worry, though-- just use the words 2012 01:24:16,748 --> 01:24:18,915 "hormone deficiency" instead. 2013 01:24:18,916 --> 01:24:21,041 First thing, doc will want to do a little physical. 2014 01:24:21,042 --> 01:24:22,418 BOTH: Aagh. 2015 01:24:22,420 --> 01:24:24,044 ( dings ) 2016 01:24:24,046 --> 01:24:26,213 Do you have people come to you to try to get steroids? 2017 01:24:26,214 --> 01:24:28,381 Absolutely. But prescribing steroids-- 2018 01:24:28,383 --> 01:24:30,884 That's not what we do, not at all. 2019 01:24:30,885 --> 01:24:33,511 Mm-hmm. But it kind of is what you do 2020 01:24:33,512 --> 01:24:35,429 in a way, in a different way. 2021 01:24:35,431 --> 01:24:37,473 CHRIS: Next you're gonna get a urine test 2022 01:24:37,474 --> 01:24:39,558 to check your hormone levels for 24 hours. 2023 01:24:39,559 --> 01:24:42,770 That's a take-home test-- you know, scout's honor. 2024 01:24:42,771 --> 01:24:46,481 Send in the test and a week later go get your results. 2025 01:24:46,482 --> 01:24:48,608 DOCTOR: We got your labs back here-- 2026 01:24:48,609 --> 01:24:50,943 Urinary growth hormone output. 2027 01:24:50,944 --> 01:24:53,029 CHRIS: But here's the thing-- since the F.D.A. 2028 01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:55,613 has never defined what a hormone deficiency really is, 2029 01:24:55,615 --> 01:24:58,992 Well, doc can pretty much interpret the results however he wants. 2030 01:24:58,993 --> 01:25:00,910 You're a little bit low, coming down. 2031 01:25:00,912 --> 01:25:02,620 I'm gonna bring those levels up to optimal. 2032 01:25:02,621 --> 01:25:04,789 CHRIS: Now it may seem strange 2033 01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:06,707 that the most controversial drugs in America 2034 01:25:06,708 --> 01:25:08,542 are being prescribed using take-home tests, 2035 01:25:08,543 --> 01:25:11,753 and in my case by a doctor I never met, 2036 01:25:11,754 --> 01:25:14,214 but hey, at least I'm not the one breaking the law. 2037 01:25:14,215 --> 01:25:16,007 Why don't you just get it legally? 2038 01:25:16,009 --> 01:25:19,718 Um, I like getting it the way I get it. 2039 01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:21,596 It's cheap and I can get it 2040 01:25:21,597 --> 01:25:23,848 anytime I want. 2041 01:25:23,849 --> 01:25:26,766 And I don't think there's any real reason for me to-- 2042 01:25:26,768 --> 01:25:28,560 I mean, I don't want to go to a doctor. 2043 01:25:28,561 --> 01:25:30,020 That's a pain in the ass. 2044 01:25:30,021 --> 01:25:31,854 You ever worry about getting arrested 2045 01:25:31,856 --> 01:25:33,732 or cops coming after you or anything like that? 2046 01:25:33,733 --> 01:25:35,692 I'm not all that concerned about it. 2047 01:25:35,693 --> 01:25:38,194 You can justify anything to yourself. 2048 01:25:38,195 --> 01:25:40,280 And once you've justified it to yourself 2049 01:25:40,281 --> 01:25:44,033 then you just think it's cool. You think it's okay. 2050 01:25:44,034 --> 01:25:45,993 So in my mind it's okay. 2051 01:25:45,994 --> 01:25:48,412 I pose the question to people, say, 2052 01:25:48,414 --> 01:25:52,958 "hey, if you had to take a drug 2053 01:25:52,959 --> 01:25:55,543 with the side effects-- known side effects 2054 01:25:55,544 --> 01:25:58,129 and the unknown effects of the anabolic steroids 2055 01:25:58,130 --> 01:26:01,090 To keep your job right now 2056 01:26:01,091 --> 01:26:04,427 and support your family, would you do it?" 2057 01:26:04,428 --> 01:26:07,470 Maintaining an erection is very easy to do 2058 01:26:07,472 --> 01:26:10,056 with the appropriate chemical assistance. 2059 01:26:10,058 --> 01:26:13,435 Liquid Viagra injected into the penis. 2060 01:26:13,436 --> 01:26:15,061 You inject this in your penis? 2061 01:26:15,062 --> 01:26:16,521 Yep. 2062 01:26:16,522 --> 01:26:19,107 - Does it hurt? - Um, not really. 2063 01:26:19,108 --> 01:26:20,899 CHRIS: It's not just athletes and porn stars 2064 01:26:20,900 --> 01:26:22,609 Taking performance-enhancing drugs. 2065 01:26:22,610 --> 01:26:24,652 Just about everybody's in on the action. 2066 01:26:24,653 --> 01:26:27,488 Probably the most common thing is what we call go-pills. 2067 01:26:27,489 --> 01:26:29,115 There's probably different kinds, 2068 01:26:29,117 --> 01:26:31,075 but dextramphetamine is the big one. 2069 01:26:31,076 --> 01:26:33,328 They work wonders, they really do, especially if you've been 2070 01:26:33,329 --> 01:26:35,371 out there a long time and it's hard to stay focused. 2071 01:26:35,372 --> 01:26:37,122 What about you? 2072 01:26:37,123 --> 01:26:39,791 Yeah, they'll spin you right up. 2073 01:26:39,792 --> 01:26:42,210 Many parents may not be aware that their children 2074 01:26:42,212 --> 01:26:44,879 are taking a drug by the name of Adderall 2075 01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:47,548 to improve their academic performance. 2076 01:26:47,550 --> 01:26:50,217 Adderall is a powerful stimulant 2077 01:26:50,218 --> 01:26:52,762 very much like cocaine 2078 01:26:52,763 --> 01:26:54,345 or methamphetamine. 2079 01:26:54,346 --> 01:26:56,139 It's not just for people who have problems. 2080 01:26:56,140 --> 01:26:58,475 People who think completely fine-- I've taken Adderall 2081 01:26:58,476 --> 01:27:00,518 in college here and there to write a paper. 2082 01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:02,269 And I said, "this is a fun way to write a paper." 2083 01:27:02,271 --> 01:27:04,772 Your test scores go up and you're 2084 01:27:04,773 --> 01:27:07,566 doing homework faster, so you can do more work. 2085 01:27:07,568 --> 01:27:09,943 All I did when I went to class-- my friends, should I talk to them? 2086 01:27:09,945 --> 01:27:11,570 Nope, hold on. And I'd be doing all my work. 2087 01:27:11,571 --> 01:27:13,363 CHRIS: And for every performance 2088 01:27:13,364 --> 01:27:15,782 there's a way to enhance it. 2089 01:27:15,783 --> 01:27:17,450 So you take beta-blockers to calm you down? 2090 01:27:17,451 --> 01:27:19,410 It actually doesn't calm me down. 2091 01:27:19,411 --> 01:27:21,370 It prevents me from getting nervous. 2092 01:27:21,371 --> 01:27:23,247 - Here we go. - WOMAN: I was in college 2093 01:27:23,248 --> 01:27:25,915 and I was having really really bad problems with performance anxiety 2094 01:27:25,917 --> 01:27:28,876 and it was actually making me question what I was doing in the first place. 2095 01:27:28,878 --> 01:27:31,921 A friend gave me beta-blockers and I just couldn't believe it. 2096 01:27:31,922 --> 01:27:36,342 I felt like I could get up there and do exactly what I wanted to do 2097 01:27:36,343 --> 01:27:40,136 and I wasn't hindered by what my body was reacting to. 2098 01:27:40,138 --> 01:27:42,680 ( applause ) 2099 01:27:42,681 --> 01:27:46,101 Blocking that adrenaline goes a long way 2100 01:27:46,102 --> 01:27:48,519 towards enhancing performance. 2101 01:27:48,521 --> 01:27:50,563 CHRIS: So it's okay to enhance your performance 2102 01:27:50,564 --> 01:27:53,149 if you're a pilot, a porn star, 2103 01:27:53,150 --> 01:27:55,275 a musician or a student, 2104 01:27:55,276 --> 01:27:57,568 but if your job is to play professional baseball, 2105 01:27:57,570 --> 01:27:59,404 well, somehow that makes you a cheater. 2106 01:28:02,574 --> 01:28:04,867 CHRIS: Do you feel it's cheating? 2107 01:28:04,869 --> 01:28:07,370 Not at all. Oh, no, certainly not. 2108 01:28:07,371 --> 01:28:09,538 MAN: There is no competition in music. 2109 01:28:09,539 --> 01:28:11,873 You know, this is completely unlike sports. 2110 01:28:11,874 --> 01:28:14,041 What about in an audition situation? 2111 01:28:14,043 --> 01:28:16,377 - Is there competition there? - Yeah, there is. 2112 01:28:16,379 --> 01:28:20,714 And, you know, a lot of people take 'em 2113 01:28:20,716 --> 01:28:23,092 and I don't see that there's a problem with it. 2114 01:28:23,093 --> 01:28:25,885 Was there any sort of moral bridge to cross when you did it? 2115 01:28:25,886 --> 01:28:27,179 Well, we're in the porn business. 2116 01:28:27,180 --> 01:28:29,097 There's not a whole lot of morals to begin with. 2117 01:28:29,099 --> 01:28:32,016 Amphetamines in baseball-- they actually take the same pill 2118 01:28:32,017 --> 01:28:33,768 - As a go-pill. - Yeah, I've heard that. 2119 01:28:33,769 --> 01:28:36,062 In the clubhouse they're called greenies. 2120 01:28:36,063 --> 01:28:38,063 And some in the game say they could be 2121 01:28:38,064 --> 01:28:39,772 more common than steroids. 2122 01:28:39,774 --> 01:28:41,775 In sports you should play fair. 2123 01:28:41,776 --> 01:28:45,569 In war you shouldn't play fair at all. 2124 01:28:45,571 --> 01:28:47,655 PILOT: I've got some men on a road 2125 01:28:47,657 --> 01:28:50,407 And it looks like a piece of artillery firing at us. 2126 01:28:50,409 --> 01:28:52,660 I am rolling in in self-defense. 2127 01:28:52,661 --> 01:28:54,120 Shaq! 2128 01:28:54,121 --> 01:28:56,829 CHRIS: In 2002 over Afghanistan 2129 01:28:56,831 --> 01:28:59,290 two American pilots on go-pills 2130 01:28:59,292 --> 01:29:01,418 bombed a group of friendly Canadians. 2131 01:29:01,419 --> 01:29:03,002 PILOT #2: I hope that was the right thing to do. 2132 01:29:03,004 --> 01:29:04,545 PILOT #1: ME too. 2133 01:29:04,546 --> 01:29:07,464 REPORTER: Four Canadian soldiers were killed. 2134 01:29:07,466 --> 01:29:10,342 Doctors say the pilots' snap judgment to open fire 2135 01:29:10,343 --> 01:29:12,803 Is typical of someone on speed. 2136 01:29:12,804 --> 01:29:14,971 CHRIS: The pilots were charged with manslaughter, 2137 01:29:14,972 --> 01:29:16,556 But they blamed their go-pills 2138 01:29:16,557 --> 01:29:18,558 and the charges were dropped. 2139 01:29:18,559 --> 01:29:20,350 No other country in the world 2140 01:29:20,352 --> 01:29:22,478 allows amphetamines in their Air Force, 2141 01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:24,480 But in America we require it. 2142 01:29:27,776 --> 01:29:30,652 TUTOR: You know, America is a very competitive place 2143 01:29:30,653 --> 01:29:33,112 and people will take advantage of really anything they can 2144 01:29:33,113 --> 01:29:35,114 in order to help themselves in that struggle. 2145 01:29:35,115 --> 01:29:37,116 I hate to say it, the amount of beta-blockers 2146 01:29:37,117 --> 01:29:39,451 that they've got me on right now-- California traffic 2147 01:29:39,452 --> 01:29:41,953 - doesn't bother me anymore. - Really? 2148 01:29:41,954 --> 01:29:43,663 STUDENT: It's too easy to get it from a doctor. 2149 01:29:43,664 --> 01:29:45,373 You say, "I can't focus in class" 2150 01:29:45,374 --> 01:29:47,375 And the doctor prescribes it automatically. 2151 01:29:47,376 --> 01:29:49,793 And when you got Adderall you just went to the doctor? 2152 01:29:49,795 --> 01:29:52,838 No, it's just passed around at school. 2153 01:29:52,839 --> 01:29:54,798 - It's passed around at school? - Passed around at school. 2154 01:29:54,799 --> 01:29:56,716 You turn on your T.V. 2155 01:29:56,718 --> 01:29:59,260 And we push drugs, right? 2156 01:29:59,261 --> 01:30:01,346 If you have a headache-- use this. 2157 01:30:01,347 --> 01:30:03,889 If you have a pain in your side-- use that. 2158 01:30:03,891 --> 01:30:06,100 If you want to go to sleep-- use this. 2159 01:30:06,102 --> 01:30:07,602 If you want to wake up-- use that. 2160 01:30:07,603 --> 01:30:10,061 We are the only country in the world 2161 01:30:10,063 --> 01:30:13,398 that permits drugs of that kind 2162 01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:16,359 to be advertised directly to the consumer. 2163 01:30:16,361 --> 01:30:18,612 CHRIS: The American pharmaceutical industry 2164 01:30:18,613 --> 01:30:21,030 spends almost $5 billion a year on advertising. 2165 01:30:21,031 --> 01:30:25,408 And we in turn spend $250 billion on their drugs. 2166 01:30:25,410 --> 01:30:28,036 That's more than any other country by far. 2167 01:30:28,037 --> 01:30:30,664 Are we the most unhealthy people in the world 2168 01:30:30,665 --> 01:30:32,166 Or do we just watch too much T.V.? 2169 01:30:34,420 --> 01:30:37,171 Everybody's on a drug. So why because I'm on a drug 2170 01:30:37,172 --> 01:30:39,214 does everybody have to point a finger at me? 2171 01:30:39,215 --> 01:30:41,424 - Why am I the bad guy? - 'Cause you're on steroids. 2172 01:30:41,425 --> 01:30:46,053 And steroids are bad. ( laughs ) 2173 01:30:46,055 --> 01:30:48,388 ( applause ) 2174 01:30:48,389 --> 01:30:50,307 To help children make right choices 2175 01:30:50,308 --> 01:30:53,101 they need good examples. 2176 01:30:53,103 --> 01:30:57,605 Athletics play such an important role in our society, 2177 01:30:57,606 --> 01:31:00,233 but unfortunately, some in professional sports 2178 01:31:00,234 --> 01:31:02,359 are not setting much of an example. 2179 01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:04,820 CHRIS: Long before George Bush was the President 2180 01:31:04,821 --> 01:31:07,865 he was the owner of the Texas Rangers, a major league baseball team 2181 01:31:07,866 --> 01:31:11,159 With none other than Jose Canseco on the roster. 2182 01:31:11,161 --> 01:31:14,203 SENATOR WAXMAN: Do you think that the team trainers, 2183 01:31:14,204 --> 01:31:17,456 The managers, the general managers and even the owners 2184 01:31:17,457 --> 01:31:19,583 might have been aware 2185 01:31:19,585 --> 01:31:21,877 that some players were using steroids? 2186 01:31:21,878 --> 01:31:25,297 No doubt in my mind. Absolutely. 2187 01:31:25,298 --> 01:31:27,256 CHRIS: So did the President know 2188 01:31:27,258 --> 01:31:29,634 that his players were on the juice? 2189 01:31:29,635 --> 01:31:31,927 You've admitted to using steroids in the past. 2190 01:31:31,928 --> 01:31:34,597 Knowing what you know now about them, 2191 01:31:34,598 --> 01:31:37,181 - would you have done it? - Yeah, absolutely. 2192 01:31:37,183 --> 01:31:39,018 The National Football League has talked more 2193 01:31:39,019 --> 01:31:40,977 about steroid testing or human growth hormone. 2194 01:31:40,979 --> 01:31:42,395 And I know back in your day 2195 01:31:42,396 --> 01:31:44,104 you've admitted that you did that. 2196 01:31:44,106 --> 01:31:46,148 Your stand on that right now? 2197 01:31:46,149 --> 01:31:49,109 I think it's good to do doping tests 2198 01:31:49,110 --> 01:31:51,111 and the trick obviously to find a way 2199 01:31:51,112 --> 01:31:52,654 of really doing true testing. 2200 01:31:52,655 --> 01:31:55,365 I think that we have to do something 2201 01:31:55,366 --> 01:31:57,533 about the drug use in sports. 2202 01:31:57,534 --> 01:32:01,913 And I think it does send the wrong message to our children. 2203 01:32:01,914 --> 01:32:04,998 CHRIS: So Arnold wants to crack down on steroids, 2204 01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:07,417 but every year he sponsors his own bodybuilding show, 2205 01:32:07,418 --> 01:32:09,169 The Arnold Classic. 2206 01:32:09,170 --> 01:32:10,670 And they don't drug-test at all. 2207 01:32:10,672 --> 01:32:12,839 Isn't it unbelievable, the shape these guys are in, 2208 01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:14,632 I mean, how ripped they are, how bid they are, 2209 01:32:14,634 --> 01:32:17,468 how cut they are, their posing routine and everything? 2210 01:32:17,470 --> 01:32:19,887 I'm so proud of them. I tell you, it is really amazing. 2211 01:32:19,888 --> 01:32:21,763 CHRIS: This year Governor Schwarzenegger 2212 01:32:21,764 --> 01:32:24,183 handed over the winning trophy to Victor Martinez, 2213 01:32:24,184 --> 01:32:26,392 a guy who was busted for selling steroids 2214 01:32:26,394 --> 01:32:27,977 just a couple of years ago. 2215 01:32:27,978 --> 01:32:29,979 And a few days before this competition 2216 01:32:29,981 --> 01:32:33,232 he was implicated in another steroid scandal. 2217 01:32:33,233 --> 01:32:35,150 The bodybuilder who won a competition 2218 01:32:35,151 --> 01:32:37,736 sponsored by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger this past weekend 2219 01:32:37,737 --> 01:32:39,821 has been linked to a steroid investigation. 2220 01:32:39,822 --> 01:32:42,366 A spokesman for the Governor says Schwarzenegger did not know 2221 01:32:42,367 --> 01:32:44,617 of Martinez's links to steroids. 2222 01:32:44,618 --> 01:32:47,495 CHRIS: Come on, Arnold, what do you mean you didn't know? 2223 01:32:47,496 --> 01:32:49,371 Okay, let's compare. 2224 01:32:49,372 --> 01:32:52,082 Here's Arnold Schwarzenegger when he was on steroids-- 2225 01:32:52,083 --> 01:32:55,960 6'2", 235 lbs. 2226 01:32:55,962 --> 01:32:58,045 And here's Victor Martinez, 2227 01:32:58,046 --> 01:33:01,257 seven inches shorter and 15 lbs heavier. 2228 01:33:01,259 --> 01:33:03,635 Give him a big hand, come on, a big hand. 2229 01:33:03,636 --> 01:33:05,552 CHRIS: You know, I've been calling Arnold's office 2230 01:33:05,553 --> 01:33:07,263 For over a year to get an interview, 2231 01:33:07,264 --> 01:33:09,348 but his people keep telling me 2232 01:33:09,349 --> 01:33:11,641 that his position on steroids is very clear. 2233 01:33:11,642 --> 01:33:13,476 So the only way to get an answer 2234 01:33:13,477 --> 01:33:15,311 was to track him down myself 2235 01:33:15,312 --> 01:33:17,188 at a place I knew he would show up-- 2236 01:33:17,189 --> 01:33:19,148 Muscle Beach. 2237 01:33:19,149 --> 01:33:22,192 It was just a few weeks before the Governor's reelection 2238 01:33:22,194 --> 01:33:25,153 And Arnold went to where he knew he could depend on support 2239 01:33:25,155 --> 01:33:27,154 to cement his voting base. 2240 01:33:27,156 --> 01:33:30,242 This was my big chance. I waited for hours. 2241 01:33:30,243 --> 01:33:32,701 And finally there he was. 2242 01:33:32,703 --> 01:33:34,745 And there was this other guy, 2243 01:33:34,746 --> 01:33:37,372 the tall guy, the one in the middle. He saw me. 2244 01:33:37,373 --> 01:33:39,999 This is how politics work these days. 2245 01:33:40,001 --> 01:33:42,794 The important thing when making an appearance is the photo op. 2246 01:33:42,795 --> 01:33:44,879 The tall guy's gonna nod at me. 2247 01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:46,965 Then he's gonna point Arnold in my direction. 2248 01:33:46,966 --> 01:33:50,676 Arnold, his instincts honed by years of being a huge star, 2249 01:33:50,677 --> 01:33:53,554 instantly sizes up the situation, 2250 01:33:53,555 --> 01:33:55,430 notices the various cameras 2251 01:33:55,431 --> 01:33:58,141 and decides to use me to further his reelection bid. 2252 01:33:58,142 --> 01:34:01,769 Look at those arms. Look at those arms. 2253 01:34:01,771 --> 01:34:04,188 CHRIS: And instead of talking about steroids 2254 01:34:04,189 --> 01:34:05,939 and the cheating culture of America, 2255 01:34:05,940 --> 01:34:07,941 he compliments me on my biceps 2256 01:34:07,942 --> 01:34:09,901 and we end up on the cover of the L.A. "Times." 2257 01:34:09,902 --> 01:34:11,820 There he is. Oh my God. 2258 01:34:11,821 --> 01:34:13,572 CHRIS: Not that I mind. 2259 01:34:13,573 --> 01:34:15,698 After all, it was kind of like a dream come true. 2260 01:34:15,699 --> 01:34:18,075 Son of a bitch. 2261 01:34:18,076 --> 01:34:21,871 CHRIS: But I still have all these unanswered questions. 2262 01:34:21,872 --> 01:34:23,663 SHELDON: Let me tell you this, first of all-- 2263 01:34:23,665 --> 01:34:27,167 You can't knock Arnold really, okay? 2264 01:34:27,168 --> 01:34:30,295 Because the steroids didn't get him into that office that he's in. 2265 01:34:30,296 --> 01:34:32,171 But he basically comes out and he says, 2266 01:34:32,172 --> 01:34:34,882 "if you work hard and you play by the rules 2267 01:34:34,883 --> 01:34:37,009 this country is truly open to you. 2268 01:34:37,011 --> 01:34:39,428 You can achieve anything." but did he get to where he is 2269 01:34:39,429 --> 01:34:42,555 playing by the rules? Or would he have ever even been famous 2270 01:34:42,556 --> 01:34:44,391 had he not taken those drugs? 2271 01:34:44,392 --> 01:34:46,267 Well, let's look at it this way-- 2272 01:34:46,268 --> 01:34:48,394 Let's talk about other heroes. 2273 01:34:48,396 --> 01:34:51,730 Let's talk about John Kennedy. He was a hero in the Navy. 2274 01:34:51,731 --> 01:34:54,984 John Kennedy served as the President of the United States. 2275 01:34:54,985 --> 01:34:58,612 But John Kennedy cheated on his wife right in the White House 2276 01:34:58,613 --> 01:35:01,907 with Marilyn Monroe and who knows how many others, okay? 2277 01:35:01,908 --> 01:35:04,200 It's no different than biblical characters. 2278 01:35:04,201 --> 01:35:07,452 Moses was a hero but Moses was a heel. 2279 01:35:07,453 --> 01:35:09,246 He didn't get into the Promised Land. 2280 01:35:09,247 --> 01:35:11,331 He didn't do what God told him to do. 2281 01:35:11,332 --> 01:35:15,043 David was a hero-- King David was a hero, 2282 01:35:15,044 --> 01:35:17,712 But David was a heel. He chased every woman 2283 01:35:17,714 --> 01:35:19,672 in a skirt, or in a toga, 2284 01:35:19,673 --> 01:35:21,173 or whatever they wore back then. 2285 01:35:21,174 --> 01:35:23,717 Every man is fallible 2286 01:35:23,718 --> 01:35:25,845 and even the people 2287 01:35:25,846 --> 01:35:28,055 who were the prime examples 2288 01:35:28,056 --> 01:35:30,057 of how to run your life in the bible 2289 01:35:30,058 --> 01:35:32,893 screwed up. They all screwed up. 2290 01:35:32,894 --> 01:35:35,354 So people need to get off their 2291 01:35:35,355 --> 01:35:38,440 self-righteous soapboxes 2292 01:35:38,441 --> 01:35:40,275 and start loving each other. 2293 01:35:40,276 --> 01:35:42,652 We just need to go out there and do our jobs, 2294 01:35:42,653 --> 01:35:46,071 just as you professionals do your job. 2295 01:35:46,073 --> 01:35:48,615 All of you guys lied. 2296 01:35:48,616 --> 01:35:50,617 All of y'all 2297 01:35:50,619 --> 01:35:52,745 in a story or whatever have lied. 2298 01:35:52,746 --> 01:35:55,538 Should you have an asterisk behind your name? 2299 01:35:55,539 --> 01:35:57,540 All of you have lied. 2300 01:35:57,541 --> 01:35:59,541 All of you have said something wrong. 2301 01:35:59,543 --> 01:36:02,461 All of you have dirt, all of you. 2302 01:36:02,462 --> 01:36:04,463 When your closet's clean 2303 01:36:04,464 --> 01:36:06,464 then come clean somebody else's. 2304 01:36:06,466 --> 01:36:08,842 But clean yours first. 2305 01:36:08,843 --> 01:36:10,885 CHRIS: Hi. How are you? 2306 01:36:10,886 --> 01:36:12,429 The last name is Bell, B-E-L-L. 2307 01:36:15,057 --> 01:36:17,641 SCHWARZENEGGER: I took the oath to serve you. 2308 01:36:17,642 --> 01:36:22,061 I say to everyone here today and to all Californians, 2309 01:36:22,063 --> 01:36:24,356 I will not forget my oath 2310 01:36:24,357 --> 01:36:26,232 And I will not forget you. 2311 01:36:26,233 --> 01:36:27,692 ( applause and cheering ) 2312 01:36:31,154 --> 01:36:33,823 CHRIS: A few months after I voted for Arnold 2313 01:36:33,824 --> 01:36:35,866 his people told Gold's Gym 2314 01:36:35,867 --> 01:36:37,451 to remove all of his images. 2315 01:36:46,877 --> 01:36:49,461 What is the meaning of this? 2316 01:36:49,462 --> 01:36:52,047 It's a dark day in Gold's Gym. 2317 01:36:52,048 --> 01:36:54,383 They're taking down Arnold's poster. 2318 01:36:54,384 --> 01:36:56,634 Do you have a lot of respect for Arnold? Is he one of your heroes? 2319 01:36:56,635 --> 01:36:59,178 Well, he was until he took his shit down. 2320 01:36:59,180 --> 01:37:00,680 You know, that guy's a traitor, man. 2321 01:37:06,060 --> 01:37:08,270 CHRIS: The gym feels different now. 2322 01:37:08,271 --> 01:37:10,271 The old Arnold's gone 2323 01:37:10,272 --> 01:37:12,273 and somehow this time 2324 01:37:12,275 --> 01:37:14,024 I don't think he'll be back. 2325 01:37:17,570 --> 01:37:20,322 So you're excited to be out here instead of in Poughkeepsie? 2326 01:37:20,324 --> 01:37:22,115 Hell yeah, man. I got a job making 2327 01:37:22,116 --> 01:37:23,908 three times as much money and my rent's just about the same 2328 01:37:23,910 --> 01:37:25,618 and I'm right by the beach and I got a convertible. 2329 01:37:25,619 --> 01:37:28,329 Right here next to the mirror, honey. 2330 01:37:28,330 --> 01:37:29,621 MIKE: Put a little muscle in it. 2331 01:37:29,623 --> 01:37:32,457 - CHRIS: Here you go. - Higher. 2332 01:37:32,459 --> 01:37:35,127 So what do you plan on doing here that you weren't doing in Poughkeepsie? 2333 01:37:35,128 --> 01:37:37,462 Jeez, like having fun with life instead of hating life. 2334 01:37:37,463 --> 01:37:40,631 Think it'll help you with your problems and stuff? 2335 01:37:40,633 --> 01:37:42,509 Absolutely. I feel better already. 2336 01:37:42,510 --> 01:37:44,510 CHRIS: Now that Mad Dog's in California, 2337 01:37:44,511 --> 01:37:47,429 Things seem to be going pretty good for him. 2338 01:37:47,431 --> 01:37:50,224 He got a job working as a trainer at a local wrestling school. 2339 01:37:50,225 --> 01:37:52,225 Got you! Now if I want to take it here-- 2340 01:37:52,226 --> 01:37:53,977 Keep your face up, keep your face up. 2341 01:37:53,979 --> 01:37:56,396 CHRIS: He'd actually make a great teacher, 2342 01:37:56,397 --> 01:37:58,315 but that's not good enough for Mad Dog. 2343 01:37:58,316 --> 01:38:00,774 He still wants to be a superstar. 2344 01:38:00,776 --> 01:38:03,986 MIKE: So this Sunday night, pay per view, Madison Square Garden! 2345 01:38:03,988 --> 01:38:06,822 Hell's Henrys will toll for you. 2346 01:38:09,408 --> 01:38:13,119 Just not-- I'm sick, though, dude. 2347 01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:15,663 CHRIS: Mad Dog sent his promo to the W.W.E., 2348 01:38:15,664 --> 01:38:18,374 but they rejected him again. 2349 01:38:18,375 --> 01:38:20,501 They said he's too old 2350 01:38:20,502 --> 01:38:22,586 and not what they're looking for right now. 2351 01:38:22,587 --> 01:38:25,047 MIKE: You know, I want to believe that the world is good, 2352 01:38:25,048 --> 01:38:28,216 but it's not. And I want to try hard, 2353 01:38:28,217 --> 01:38:29,842 but why try when you can't win? 2354 01:38:29,844 --> 01:38:31,927 Those who can't do, train. 2355 01:38:31,928 --> 01:38:34,638 It's just I never understood why I didn't, 2356 01:38:34,639 --> 01:38:36,557 you know? 2357 01:38:36,558 --> 01:38:39,393 What's the problem with just being a normal guy? 2358 01:38:39,394 --> 01:38:41,061 What's wrong with just being normal? 2359 01:38:41,062 --> 01:38:43,187 There's nothing wrong with it. 2360 01:38:43,188 --> 01:38:45,189 Well, actually, there is something wrong with it. 2361 01:38:45,191 --> 01:38:46,983 the thing that's wrong with it is 2362 01:38:46,984 --> 01:38:49,068 that I was born to attain greatness and I'm the only one 2363 01:38:49,069 --> 01:38:52,195 that's holding myself back. And I need to attain greatness. I need to do it. 2364 01:38:52,196 --> 01:38:54,656 You live down by the beach, you have a beautiful wife, 2365 01:38:54,657 --> 01:38:56,324 and nothing's ever good enough. 2366 01:38:56,326 --> 01:38:58,993 I can only imagine how she feels. 2367 01:38:58,994 --> 01:39:01,954 And do you ever think, 2368 01:39:01,955 --> 01:39:05,040 "why am I dragging somebody else in this?" 2369 01:39:05,041 --> 01:39:08,459 I know that a lot of times she's crying herself to sleep. 2370 01:39:08,461 --> 01:39:12,255 And I know that sometimes she doesn't glow 2371 01:39:12,256 --> 01:39:14,590 the way that she did when I first met her. 2372 01:39:14,591 --> 01:39:17,010 And I know it's my fault. 2373 01:39:17,011 --> 01:39:18,844 And it really tears me up. 2374 01:39:18,846 --> 01:39:20,512 Yeah. Well, I mean, 2375 01:39:20,513 --> 01:39:22,555 I worry every day that-- 2376 01:39:22,557 --> 01:39:24,808 What I worry about is you're gonna lose your job, 2377 01:39:24,809 --> 01:39:27,811 You're gonna lose your wife and then you're gonna lose yourself. 2378 01:39:27,812 --> 01:39:29,771 If I lose my job and my wife, what else do I have? 2379 01:39:32,733 --> 01:39:34,859 I just feel 2380 01:39:34,860 --> 01:39:37,361 that I have more to offer this world. 2381 01:39:37,362 --> 01:39:40,405 And I don't know exactly what it is 2382 01:39:40,406 --> 01:39:42,741 or how I'm gonna go about doing it. 2383 01:39:42,457 --> 01:39:45,082 I know there's something in here 2384 01:39:45,084 --> 01:39:47,834 That's meant for the rest of the world to know. 2385 01:39:52,798 --> 01:39:56,174 When you were kids 2386 01:39:56,175 --> 01:39:58,300 you all admired 2387 01:39:58,301 --> 01:40:00,677 the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, 2388 01:40:00,678 --> 01:40:04,804 big league ballplayers, the toughest boxers. 2389 01:40:04,805 --> 01:40:07,598 Americans love a winner 2390 01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:09,642 and will not tolerate a loser. 2391 01:40:18,942 --> 01:40:20,942 CHRIS: Smelly is now competing 2392 01:40:20,943 --> 01:40:23,069 against the best guys in the world 2393 01:40:23,070 --> 01:40:25,237 and he hopes to achieve his childhood dream 2394 01:40:25,238 --> 01:40:27,114 of bench-pressing 700 lbs. 2395 01:40:27,115 --> 01:40:29,573 But he and his wife agreed 2396 01:40:29,574 --> 01:40:33,159 that this would be his last meet on steroids. 2397 01:40:33,161 --> 01:40:35,911 I knew that she didn't really care for it, 2398 01:40:35,912 --> 01:40:37,996 but i didn't know it hurt her that much. 2399 01:40:37,997 --> 01:40:40,873 And I didn't know she worried that much about it. 2400 01:40:40,875 --> 01:40:43,250 It's definitely something that's not gonna be easy to do. 2401 01:40:43,251 --> 01:40:45,543 I don't necessarily want to do it, but, you know, 2402 01:40:45,545 --> 01:40:47,419 if I just stay on it and ignore her, 2403 01:40:47,420 --> 01:40:49,004 that's just being selfish. 2404 01:40:49,005 --> 01:40:51,255 He's trying to have another kid, so he decided 2405 01:40:51,257 --> 01:40:53,257 that this is gonna be his last meet 2406 01:40:53,259 --> 01:40:55,383 that he ever takes anything. 2407 01:40:55,384 --> 01:40:58,343 How do you think that'll affect his lifting? 2408 01:40:58,345 --> 01:41:00,429 It'll affect it somewhat, 2409 01:41:00,430 --> 01:41:03,056 but once he tapers off and has the child 2410 01:41:03,057 --> 01:41:04,890 he can go right back on them. 2411 01:41:04,891 --> 01:41:07,142 But he doesn't want to go back on them. His wife doesn't want him 2412 01:41:07,143 --> 01:41:08,893 to be on it at all ever again. 2413 01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:14,230 The death of Smelly. 2414 01:41:14,231 --> 01:41:16,232 You think so? 2415 01:41:16,233 --> 01:41:17,983 Smelly will go back on. 2416 01:41:17,984 --> 01:41:20,443 So you'll never take it again? 2417 01:41:20,444 --> 01:41:22,235 - I'll never take 'em again? - Yeah. 2418 01:41:22,236 --> 01:41:23,945 No, I probably will take 'em again 2419 01:41:23,946 --> 01:41:26,405 - because this is something-- - How? 2420 01:41:26,406 --> 01:41:28,657 Well, I'll figure out a way. 2421 01:41:28,658 --> 01:41:31,159 I mean, that's something I'll have to talk out with Andee, 2422 01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:32,993 but this is something I've been-- 2423 01:41:32,994 --> 01:41:35,536 I've been involved in power lifting since I was 12 years old. 2424 01:41:35,537 --> 01:41:37,454 This is part of what I like to do. 2425 01:41:37,456 --> 01:41:39,999 And I'm not gonna go 2426 01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:42,249 from squatting 800 lbs to squatting 700 lbs. 2427 01:41:42,251 --> 01:41:44,585 I'm gonna want to get back on 'em for sure. 2428 01:41:44,586 --> 01:41:46,920 Which is kind of sad 'cause-- 2429 01:41:46,922 --> 01:41:49,046 Well, you know, a lot of people have to lie to get ahead. 2430 01:41:49,047 --> 01:41:52,465 That's just kind of the way things work. 2431 01:41:52,466 --> 01:41:55,217 Well, we weren't brought up as cheaters. 2432 01:41:57,429 --> 01:41:59,595 Well, I mean, people aren't brought up 2433 01:41:59,597 --> 01:42:02,390 to rob a bank either. You're not really trained to rob a bank 2434 01:42:02,391 --> 01:42:04,849 or you're not really trained to do drugs 2435 01:42:04,850 --> 01:42:06,892 or taught to do drugs or anything like that, 2436 01:42:06,893 --> 01:42:08,560 but just, you know, it's kind of the way you end up. 2437 01:42:11,438 --> 01:42:12,938 Yeah! Come on! 2438 01:42:12,939 --> 01:42:15,273 - MAN: Let's go, mark! - MAN #2: Go mark! 2439 01:42:15,275 --> 01:42:17,317 - ( all cheering ) - MAN: Let's go, Mark. Come on! 2440 01:42:17,318 --> 01:42:19,485 - Come on! - Go Mark! 2441 01:42:19,486 --> 01:42:21,986 ( people continue cheering ) 2442 01:42:21,988 --> 01:42:24,238 Go Mark! Let's go, Mark! 2443 01:42:24,239 --> 01:42:26,781 Come on, you got this. 2444 01:42:26,783 --> 01:42:29,033 Come on, you got it! Let's go, come on! 2445 01:42:29,034 --> 01:42:30,909 ( all cheering ) 2446 01:42:36,372 --> 01:42:38,039 - Yeah! Yeah! - Yes! Yes! 2447 01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:40,875 ( cheering ) 2448 01:42:44,420 --> 01:42:46,504 CHRIS: My baby brother is on steroids 2449 01:42:46,505 --> 01:42:48,672 and we all know it. 2450 01:42:48,674 --> 01:42:51,633 But look at us. My dad looks like he won the lottery. 2451 01:42:51,634 --> 01:42:54,843 And my mom's prayers have been answered. 2452 01:42:54,844 --> 01:42:57,762 I was raised to believe that cheaters never prosper, 2453 01:42:57,763 --> 01:43:01,056 but in America it seems like cheaters always prosper. 2454 01:43:03,559 --> 01:43:07,643 The use of performance-enhancing drugs like steroids 2455 01:43:07,644 --> 01:43:10,478 is dangerous and it sends the wrong message 2456 01:43:10,480 --> 01:43:13,897 that there are shortcuts to accomplishment 2457 01:43:13,899 --> 01:43:17,734 And that performance is more important than character. 2458 01:43:17,735 --> 01:43:19,861 CHRIS: There is a clash in America 2459 01:43:19,862 --> 01:43:22,321 Between doing the right thing and being the best. 2460 01:43:22,323 --> 01:43:24,739 Americans play to win all the time 2461 01:43:24,741 --> 01:43:27,450 because the very thought of losing 2462 01:43:27,451 --> 01:43:30,034 is hateful to Americans. 2463 01:43:30,035 --> 01:43:33,662 COMMENTATOR: It is out of here! 2464 01:43:33,663 --> 01:43:37,582 756! 2465 01:43:37,583 --> 01:43:39,707 Bonds stands alone! 2466 01:43:39,709 --> 01:43:41,668 CHRIS: In a culture where second place 2467 01:43:41,669 --> 01:43:44,002 Is the first loser, 2468 01:43:44,004 --> 01:43:47,464 the real heroes are the ones who win at all costs. 2469 01:43:47,465 --> 01:43:50,007 Everything I have-- my career, 2470 01:43:50,008 --> 01:43:52,384 my success, my family-- 2471 01:43:52,385 --> 01:43:54,218 I owe to America. 2472 01:43:57,763 --> 01:43:59,805 CHRIS: This is America. 2473 01:43:59,807 --> 01:44:02,682 We're the greatest country in the world. 2474 01:44:02,683 --> 01:44:05,685 You could call us a nation on steroids. 2475 01:44:05,686 --> 01:44:08,353 But what are those long-term side effects? 2476 01:44:08,354 --> 01:44:10,355 For me and my brothers 2477 01:44:10,356 --> 01:44:13,190 steroids are not the problem. 2478 01:44:13,191 --> 01:44:15,400 They're just another side effect 2479 01:44:15,401 --> 01:44:17,027 of being American. 2480 01:44:20,488 --> 01:44:24,990 # oh, superman, where are you now? # 2481 01:44:24,992 --> 01:44:29,159 # when everything's gone wrong somehow # 2482 01:44:29,161 --> 01:44:33,163 # the men of steel, these men of power # 2483 01:44:33,164 --> 01:44:36,707 # are losing control by the hour # 2484 01:44:36,708 --> 01:44:38,875 # and this is the time # 2485 01:44:38,876 --> 01:44:40,918 # this is the place # 2486 01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:43,920 # so we look to the future # 2487 01:44:43,921 --> 01:44:47,923 # but there's not much left to go around # 2488 01:44:47,924 --> 01:44:51,718 # tell me why this is a land of confusion # 2489 01:44:51,719 --> 01:44:54,553 # ha ha ha ha # 2490 01:44:54,554 --> 01:44:58,973 # this is the world we live in # 2491 01:44:58,974 --> 01:45:02,642 # and these are the hands we're given # 2492 01:45:02,643 --> 01:45:06,853 # use them and let's start trying # 2493 01:45:06,854 --> 01:45:08,229 # to make it # 2494 01:45:08,230 --> 01:45:10,313 # a place worth living # 2495 01:45:10,315 --> 01:45:11,982 # yeah # 2496 01:45:17,279 --> 01:45:19,403 # I remember long ago # 2497 01:45:21,781 --> 01:45:24,366 # where the sun was shining # 2498 01:45:26,410 --> 01:45:27,617 # and all the stars # 2499 01:45:27,618 --> 01:45:29,285 # were bright # 2500 01:45:29,287 --> 01:45:30,995 # all through the night # 2501 01:45:30,996 --> 01:45:33,705 # in the wake of this madness # 2502 01:45:33,707 --> 01:45:35,707 # as I held you tight # 2503 01:45:38,460 --> 01:45:40,627 # so long ago # 2504 01:45:51,678 --> 01:45:53,928 # there's too many men # 2505 01:45:53,929 --> 01:45:55,679 # too many people # 2506 01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:58,723 # making too many problems # 2507 01:45:58,724 --> 01:46:00,807 # and there's not much left # 2508 01:46:00,809 --> 01:46:02,934 # to go around # 2509 01:46:02,936 --> 01:46:04,560 # can't you see this is # 2510 01:46:04,561 --> 01:46:07,104 # a land of confusion? # 2511 01:46:07,106 --> 01:46:09,356 # ha ha ha ha # 2512 01:46:09,357 --> 01:46:10,857 # now this is # 2513 01:46:10,858 --> 01:46:13,900 # the world we live in # 2514 01:46:13,901 --> 01:46:15,193 # and these are # 2515 01:46:15,195 --> 01:46:17,861 # the hands we're given # 2516 01:46:17,863 --> 01:46:19,363 # stand up # 2517 01:46:19,365 --> 01:46:22,406 # and let's start showing # 2518 01:46:22,407 --> 01:46:25,117 # just where our lives are going to # 2519 01:46:27,912 --> 01:46:30,079 # ha ha ha ha. # 2520 01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:31,080 Subtitles by Leapinlar 200038

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