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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:27,031 --> 00:00:28,199 [suspense music] 2 00:00:31,452 --> 00:00:32,578 [phone dialling] 3 00:00:33,621 --> 00:00:35,373 [woman] 911, what is your emergency? 4 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,834 [man over radio] Ask them to help us get a National Guard unit. 5 00:00:39,460 --> 00:00:41,796 [indistinct radio chatter] 6 00:00:41,879 --> 00:00:43,881 [man over radio] Maybe with a helicopter to us. 7 00:00:43,965 --> 00:00:45,967 Let's get over to Granby Town Hall! 8 00:00:46,551 --> 00:00:49,804 We need a National Guard unit and a helicopter. 9 00:00:49,887 --> 00:00:54,892 -...through the trees, he's going up towards the fire hole. - Get him blocked. Stop him! 10 00:00:54,976 --> 00:00:57,895 ...or Army National Guard, need a whole lot of people... 11 00:00:57,979 --> 00:01:00,314 - [crash] - [man] Oh, no! 12 00:01:14,579 --> 00:01:17,790 [Marv] Hello, my name is Marvin Heemeyer. 13 00:01:18,624 --> 00:01:23,045 Today is April 13th, 2004. 14 00:01:23,129 --> 00:01:28,426 This tape is about my life since I came up here in 1991. 15 00:01:29,468 --> 00:01:31,220 I am making this tape-- 16 00:01:32,179 --> 00:01:34,265 Really didn't think it would make any difference if I didn't make it, 17 00:01:34,348 --> 00:01:36,183 but a good friend of mine said I should make it. 18 00:01:37,018 --> 00:01:39,353 Uh, he said I should sit down in front of a videotape machine 19 00:01:39,437 --> 00:01:42,064 and do it, but you're just gonna have to take my word, 20 00:01:42,148 --> 00:01:46,569 this is Marv Heemeyer, serial number 503-68-9471. 21 00:01:46,652 --> 00:01:51,240 I wanna say right now, God bless me in advance 22 00:01:51,324 --> 00:01:54,535 for the task that I am about to undertake. 23 00:01:58,539 --> 00:02:01,876 Marv Heemeyer, he was from South Dakota 24 00:02:01,959 --> 00:02:04,420 and, uh, he served in the Air Force. 25 00:02:05,254 --> 00:02:08,591 He realized that he had a knack for welding, 26 00:02:08,674 --> 00:02:12,345 working on engines, and motors. He was stationed in Colorado 27 00:02:12,428 --> 00:02:15,306 and decided to stay in Colorado when he got out of the Air Force. 28 00:02:16,641 --> 00:02:19,352 [Marv] I moved up here in the Fall in 1991 29 00:02:19,435 --> 00:02:21,771 to kind of take a six-month vacation. 30 00:02:21,854 --> 00:02:23,981 I decided that, you know, I probably ought to buy 31 00:02:24,065 --> 00:02:25,941 some property up here to have something to do, 32 00:02:26,025 --> 00:02:29,695 so I, uh, looked at this tree lot, 33 00:02:29,779 --> 00:02:32,073 with two little cabins, where I'm living in here right now. 34 00:02:32,156 --> 00:02:35,076 And had a beautiful view. The place was really cheap, 35 00:02:35,159 --> 00:02:36,285 so I bought them. 36 00:02:37,328 --> 00:02:38,996 [Brower] He worked at a muffler shop. 37 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,290 Moved up very quickly in the business. 38 00:02:41,374 --> 00:02:44,168 At some point he just decided, "Heck, I can do this myself," 39 00:02:44,835 --> 00:02:47,963 and he went out and setup his own muffler shops. 40 00:02:48,047 --> 00:02:50,591 He was able to have income from businesses that 41 00:02:50,675 --> 00:02:53,678 he had started mostly in Northern Denver and Boulder area. 42 00:02:54,553 --> 00:02:57,515 [Marv] You know, if you got a champagne income with a beer keg, 43 00:02:58,307 --> 00:03:01,018 you're gonna do well. And that's what I've always had. 44 00:03:01,102 --> 00:03:03,104 Always believed that's the way it should be. 45 00:03:03,187 --> 00:03:04,772 That's the only way I could get ahead. 46 00:03:05,648 --> 00:03:09,235 I'm sure he counted pennies in every endeavor he ever undertook, 47 00:03:09,318 --> 00:03:12,446 and he wanted to run businesses well so that they succeeded. 48 00:03:12,530 --> 00:03:13,948 And I think he cared about his craft. 49 00:03:14,532 --> 00:03:16,450 [Trainor] I knew of Marv Heemeyer 50 00:03:16,534 --> 00:03:18,744 because he ran a muffler shop in Granby. 51 00:03:18,828 --> 00:03:20,913 He did a lot of great work for people, 52 00:03:20,996 --> 00:03:23,374 ran that muffler shop for a lot of years. 53 00:03:23,457 --> 00:03:26,377 Uh, I even had work done at his shop. 54 00:03:26,460 --> 00:03:30,089 He had a reputation as being the best welder around. 55 00:03:30,172 --> 00:03:32,967 We put this truck together and the box was bouncing. 56 00:03:33,050 --> 00:03:35,678 I took it down there and said, "Hey, Marv, what do you think?" 57 00:03:35,761 --> 00:03:37,138 And he said, "Oh, I can fix that." 58 00:03:37,930 --> 00:03:40,891 And he grabbed his welder and he ju-ju-ju, you know, 59 00:03:40,975 --> 00:03:44,854 it was done. Never broke, never-- I mean, the guy was a hell of a welder. 60 00:03:44,937 --> 00:03:46,856 He had a great reputation in the town. 61 00:03:46,939 --> 00:03:49,442 I mean, he was an outdoorsman. He loved to snowmobile. 62 00:03:49,525 --> 00:03:52,445 I didn't ever meet anybody who disliked him. 63 00:03:52,528 --> 00:03:54,780 [Marv] I call it successful. I think I was 64 00:03:54,864 --> 00:03:56,991 a very poor person most of my life, 65 00:03:57,074 --> 00:04:01,036 but I--f--for who I was and th--where I, 66 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,748 what I was, I think I was a very rich man. 67 00:04:03,831 --> 00:04:06,834 And I am thankful to God for giving me that life. 68 00:04:09,378 --> 00:04:13,257 [Trisha Macdonald] I met Marvin in the Lariat Saloon in Grand Lake. 69 00:04:13,883 --> 00:04:18,012 I was there with a friend. He came in and he asked me out. 70 00:04:18,679 --> 00:04:21,390 I had not dated in five years, you know. 71 00:04:21,474 --> 00:04:23,350 My marriage had split up and, um, 72 00:04:23,434 --> 00:04:26,729 but for some reason um, I said yes and 73 00:04:26,812 --> 00:04:31,859 we went out and started seeing each other for several years. 74 00:04:31,942 --> 00:04:34,028 He's old-- he was old school to me. 75 00:04:34,862 --> 00:04:38,491 You know, men aren't-- people-- society doesn't allow that anymore. 76 00:04:39,241 --> 00:04:42,703 You know, he's a handshake's a handshake kind of guy to me. 77 00:04:43,454 --> 00:04:46,999 I mean, he was confident and I thought he was handsome. 78 00:04:47,082 --> 00:04:50,711 And he was larger than life. You know, I felt safe with him. 79 00:04:52,213 --> 00:04:53,839 It's kind of personal, 80 00:04:53,923 --> 00:04:56,675 but he was the first man that I was intimate with 81 00:04:57,218 --> 00:04:58,552 after my marriage. 82 00:04:59,512 --> 00:05:00,846 He was wonderful to me. 83 00:05:03,766 --> 00:05:05,768 He only met my children once, 84 00:05:05,851 --> 00:05:08,312 and he never had children, as you know. 85 00:05:09,313 --> 00:05:14,026 But we did quite a few road trips together and never a dull moment. 86 00:05:18,614 --> 00:05:21,867 [Brower] Marv loved to snowmobile. 87 00:05:31,085 --> 00:05:35,214 Ah, the Thursday group. Every Thursday they'd take the day off and go ride. 88 00:05:35,297 --> 00:05:37,216 Sometimes you'd have four guys, 89 00:05:37,299 --> 00:05:39,552 sometimes you'd have 24 riders. 90 00:05:42,179 --> 00:05:44,974 Just a great bunch of guys to go out and ride with. 91 00:05:45,057 --> 00:05:47,393 Little Matty was the youngest, 92 00:05:47,476 --> 00:05:50,437 [Reed] When I started riding with Marv and the Thursday crew, 93 00:05:50,521 --> 00:05:51,981 I was 16 years old. 94 00:05:52,898 --> 00:05:56,402 And these guys were 40, 50. I couldn't drink with them. 95 00:05:56,485 --> 00:05:59,947 I couldn't do any of that stuff. I had to go home to Mom and answer to Mom still. 96 00:06:00,698 --> 00:06:04,034 Marv was in some respects, he took me under his wing. 97 00:06:04,118 --> 00:06:06,620 He helped teach me how to snowmobile, 98 00:06:06,704 --> 00:06:08,455 work on snowmobiles. 99 00:06:08,539 --> 00:06:10,124 He was always a mentor 100 00:06:10,207 --> 00:06:13,127 and always helped, always gave. 101 00:06:13,210 --> 00:06:16,380 He was my best friend. I looked at him as my bigger brother. 102 00:06:17,006 --> 00:06:20,885 I let Marv lead unless it was someplace I knew better than him. 103 00:06:20,968 --> 00:06:24,471 [Marv] That's where we came from over there. 104 00:06:24,555 --> 00:06:27,182 This is here, where we're supposed to be, 105 00:06:27,266 --> 00:06:31,061 and that's where Stu went, way over there! [laughs] 106 00:06:31,145 --> 00:06:33,856 [Reed] Marv made glove dryers. 107 00:06:33,939 --> 00:06:36,275 We had a Marv grill. 108 00:06:36,358 --> 00:06:39,153 Marv would take stock steel, bend it, 109 00:06:39,236 --> 00:06:40,779 custom to every machine. 110 00:06:41,989 --> 00:06:45,075 You weren't a snowmobiler in Grand Lake unless you had a Marv bumper. 111 00:06:45,701 --> 00:06:49,455 [Spencer] It would take down four-inch trees, five-inch trees 112 00:06:49,538 --> 00:06:52,791 and you'd just keep going. That was a Marv bumper. 113 00:06:52,875 --> 00:06:55,127 [Trisha] Yeah, he was the king, yeah. 114 00:06:55,210 --> 00:06:57,504 [Reed] If he got beat by anybody on the mountain 115 00:06:57,588 --> 00:06:59,757 that was the last time he got beat by that person. 116 00:07:04,678 --> 00:07:07,765 [Trisha] He bought me my own Polaris 117 00:07:07,848 --> 00:07:10,267 that he taught me how to get off trail 118 00:07:10,351 --> 00:07:11,810 and when in doubt, gas it. 119 00:07:19,526 --> 00:07:24,490 [Marv] It's a kind of a community that in order for you to get ahead, 120 00:07:24,573 --> 00:07:28,327 you have to keep the neighbor down. It's not... 121 00:07:28,410 --> 00:07:31,038 you know, building yourself up on your own merit, 122 00:07:31,121 --> 00:07:32,998 it's tear the other guy down. 123 00:07:34,750 --> 00:07:38,045 Grand County definitely at one time was the Wild, Wild West. 124 00:07:38,128 --> 00:07:41,548 We've modernized it from [indistinct], but it is not uncommon 125 00:07:41,632 --> 00:07:43,842 at all in the wintertime to have two weeks straight 126 00:07:43,926 --> 00:07:46,178 where the temperature doesn't get above 10 degrees. 127 00:07:46,261 --> 00:07:48,514 [Farrell] You have to be a little more independent, 128 00:07:48,597 --> 00:07:51,475 a little more willing to do without. 129 00:07:52,142 --> 00:07:54,561 You have to like small towns. 130 00:07:54,645 --> 00:07:56,981 You kind of live in a fishbowl to some extent 131 00:07:57,064 --> 00:07:59,274 because your neighbors kind of know your business a little more 132 00:07:59,358 --> 00:08:00,693 than they would be in the city. 133 00:08:01,568 --> 00:08:03,195 [Brower] That can cause conflict. 134 00:08:06,156 --> 00:08:08,158 [Marv] After a few months of living here I happen 135 00:08:08,242 --> 00:08:10,244 to cross a piece of property down there in Granby, 136 00:08:11,620 --> 00:08:15,165 and this was about a month before they were gonna have this FDIC auction. 137 00:08:16,417 --> 00:08:18,752 [Trainor] Marv originally bought the property 138 00:08:18,836 --> 00:08:21,046 that he was on in a public auction. 139 00:08:21,130 --> 00:08:24,216 They were selling FDIC-foreclosed properties. 140 00:08:24,299 --> 00:08:25,926 [Marv] Three thousand square foot building 141 00:08:26,010 --> 00:08:27,428 and it had two acres of ground. 142 00:08:27,511 --> 00:08:29,805 They had a bid for $35,000 143 00:08:29,888 --> 00:08:31,724 from some guy upfront. 144 00:08:31,807 --> 00:08:33,726 So, finally, they caught my bid, so I got-- 145 00:08:33,809 --> 00:08:36,020 The guy bid for 40. And this other guy 146 00:08:36,103 --> 00:08:37,479 jumped up on a chair. 147 00:08:37,563 --> 00:08:38,647 I come to find out his name 148 00:08:38,731 --> 00:08:40,149 was Cody Docheff. 149 00:08:41,275 --> 00:08:44,403 [Brower] Cody Docheff is the owner of Mountain Park Concrete. 150 00:08:44,486 --> 00:08:47,448 The Docheffs were looking for land upon which to put 151 00:08:47,531 --> 00:08:49,950 this concrete operation with an indoor batch plant. 152 00:08:50,617 --> 00:08:53,245 Docheff also showed up with Gus Harris. 153 00:08:53,328 --> 00:08:55,831 [Marv] Gus Harris was his buddy there, sitting beside him. 154 00:08:55,914 --> 00:08:59,585 Gus was sponsoring the whole financing on this thing, 155 00:08:59,668 --> 00:09:02,129 and Gus wasn't gonna pay more than 50 grand for it 156 00:09:02,212 --> 00:09:04,590 and I was waiting for him to bid and he wouldn't bid, 157 00:09:04,673 --> 00:09:05,591 so I got the property. 158 00:09:06,759 --> 00:09:09,386 [Brower] Marv says that after he got the property 159 00:09:09,470 --> 00:09:11,680 he was accosted by Cody. 160 00:09:11,764 --> 00:09:13,682 [Marv] This guy came back there and 161 00:09:13,766 --> 00:09:16,435 introduced himself to me, in fact, the rudest, 162 00:09:16,518 --> 00:09:18,520 most arrogant person. 163 00:09:18,604 --> 00:09:21,690 I mean, this guy's just a fucking asshole. 164 00:09:21,774 --> 00:09:24,401 Come back and just introduced himself by 165 00:09:24,485 --> 00:09:27,279 giving me a tongue lashing for about 10 minutes. 166 00:09:27,362 --> 00:09:30,949 I mean, this is the only guy of all the properties that sold before his, 167 00:09:31,033 --> 00:09:33,827 that was doing any screaming at anybody during the auction. 168 00:09:40,584 --> 00:09:44,088 [Spencer] What I like about it here is we're in God's country. 169 00:09:45,130 --> 00:09:46,924 Why live anywhere else? 170 00:09:50,219 --> 00:09:53,597 But I don't like the way the county's run. 171 00:09:55,140 --> 00:09:56,517 There's a good ol' boys club. 172 00:10:00,354 --> 00:10:03,690 [Brower] When he bought the property it had nothing more than just 173 00:10:03,774 --> 00:10:06,235 a concrete mixer tank that was holding the sewage. 174 00:10:06,318 --> 00:10:09,154 [Marv] In the summer of '92, 175 00:10:09,238 --> 00:10:12,574 they wanted me to be annexed into the water and sanitation district, 176 00:10:12,699 --> 00:10:17,496 so I said, "Great." I just expected it to go through. 177 00:10:17,579 --> 00:10:22,501 Ron Thompson was on the board for the sewer district. 178 00:10:23,127 --> 00:10:25,879 [Brower] Ron was pretty outspoken in the board meetings, 179 00:10:25,963 --> 00:10:28,757 so he may have said things that upset Marv at that meeting 180 00:10:28,841 --> 00:10:31,802 and taken a leadership role in making the decisions they made. 181 00:10:33,470 --> 00:10:36,306 Well, as it turns out, the closest sewer main 182 00:10:36,390 --> 00:10:40,060 was many hundreds of feet away from Marv's property, 183 00:10:40,144 --> 00:10:42,437 so in order for Marv to hook onto that, 184 00:10:42,521 --> 00:10:44,982 he would have had to build a long service line 185 00:10:45,065 --> 00:10:46,817 from his property to the main. 186 00:10:48,443 --> 00:10:51,238 When he learned that to do all that was gonna cost him 187 00:10:51,321 --> 00:10:54,616 anywhere from 60 to 70, maybe even 80 thousand dollars, 188 00:10:54,700 --> 00:10:56,535 Marv was upset. 189 00:10:56,618 --> 00:10:58,620 [Reed] They make you pay for the installation 190 00:10:58,745 --> 00:11:00,414 of the sewer line that you don't want, 191 00:11:00,497 --> 00:11:02,583 and then you have to still hook yourself up. 192 00:11:02,666 --> 00:11:04,209 That's life-changing money. 193 00:11:04,293 --> 00:11:06,253 [Spencer] Marv refused to do that. 194 00:11:08,505 --> 00:11:11,216 I never heard him talk bad about anybody 195 00:11:11,300 --> 00:11:12,801 but the people that did him bad, 196 00:11:14,011 --> 00:11:16,680 the good ol' boys club. He did not like 'em. 197 00:11:18,724 --> 00:11:21,643 [Marv] I never had anybody sit there and plan 198 00:11:21,768 --> 00:11:25,647 to cut me out of an opportunity like the Thompsons did 199 00:11:25,772 --> 00:11:29,109 when they denied me access to their sanitation district. 200 00:11:29,776 --> 00:11:32,613 It doesn't make any sense other than that 201 00:11:32,696 --> 00:11:35,282 it was the good ol' boys patting each other on the back. 202 00:11:35,991 --> 00:11:38,493 Had they not done that, I can assure you 203 00:11:38,577 --> 00:11:41,455 the outcome, the whole thing 204 00:11:41,538 --> 00:11:43,123 would have been completely different! 205 00:11:44,958 --> 00:11:48,212 The Thompson family was what I'd call a Granby legacy family, 206 00:11:48,295 --> 00:11:51,048 a wealthy working family in the Granby area, 207 00:11:51,131 --> 00:11:53,842 making their money off of excavation, but also living off 208 00:11:53,926 --> 00:11:57,137 the fact that they owned a lot of the land just because they'd been here forever. 209 00:11:58,513 --> 00:12:01,099 The first Thompson clan that settled in Granby 210 00:12:01,183 --> 00:12:03,101 actually bought lodging properties 211 00:12:03,185 --> 00:12:04,937 and in the course of that they bought 212 00:12:05,020 --> 00:12:07,564 little pieces of property around town. 213 00:12:08,148 --> 00:12:10,984 The Thompsons formed their own excavation company. 214 00:12:11,068 --> 00:12:14,404 Dick Thompson was the son of the first Thompson family. 215 00:12:14,488 --> 00:12:16,698 Dick had several children. 216 00:12:16,823 --> 00:12:19,701 Ron was kind of a, a leading son in the family. 217 00:12:19,785 --> 00:12:22,204 Larry was kind of the older son who helped, 218 00:12:22,287 --> 00:12:23,914 and Gary went right along with him 219 00:12:23,997 --> 00:12:25,707 doing a lot of the excavation work. 220 00:12:27,584 --> 00:12:30,170 [Marv] Gus Harris and Cody Docheff 221 00:12:30,254 --> 00:12:32,339 and the powers that be, the Thompsons, 222 00:12:32,422 --> 00:12:34,841 if they would have left me alone, 223 00:12:34,925 --> 00:12:37,886 I wouldn't have had this righteous anger 224 00:12:37,970 --> 00:12:41,306 that I have towards the Thompsons, 225 00:12:41,390 --> 00:12:43,725 their hierarchy, their attitude 226 00:12:43,850 --> 00:12:47,562 that they have left in that community for so many years. 227 00:12:47,646 --> 00:12:49,940 And so many people think like they do, 228 00:12:50,023 --> 00:12:51,858 screw your neighbor. 229 00:12:53,151 --> 00:12:55,529 [Brower] In Marv's eyes, the Thompson family 230 00:12:55,612 --> 00:12:57,864 was the epitome of the Granby establishment 231 00:12:57,948 --> 00:13:00,867 that did everything they could to thwart Marv. 232 00:13:02,244 --> 00:13:05,122 [Marv] Well, I'm making lemonade out of lemons, 233 00:13:05,205 --> 00:13:07,416 you know, I just kept on about my business 234 00:13:07,499 --> 00:13:09,751 because this is a small community and, you know, 235 00:13:09,835 --> 00:13:11,461 I need to fit in. 236 00:13:11,545 --> 00:13:13,463 Life was pretty good and I was making 237 00:13:13,547 --> 00:13:15,382 a real good income out of there. 238 00:13:15,465 --> 00:13:18,093 And in '98, the town went 239 00:13:18,176 --> 00:13:21,054 and spot-zoned the two acres 240 00:13:21,138 --> 00:13:24,224 directly south of me, which is illegal in Colorado. 241 00:13:24,308 --> 00:13:26,935 And because no one protested it 242 00:13:27,019 --> 00:13:31,064 within 30 days, it became law that they could do that. 243 00:13:31,148 --> 00:13:33,525 And this Docheff guy, he's gonna sign 244 00:13:33,608 --> 00:13:36,028 and buy the property next door to the west of me, 245 00:13:36,111 --> 00:13:38,572 and has a contract on it to purchase it. 246 00:13:38,655 --> 00:13:41,783 And they were going to be able to put this concrete plant 247 00:13:41,867 --> 00:13:44,786 right there next to all those houses, 248 00:13:44,911 --> 00:13:48,165 downwind of the town. And Cody's motivation 249 00:13:48,248 --> 00:13:50,125 was to get back at Marv. 250 00:13:50,208 --> 00:13:52,919 Well, I find this out too late 251 00:13:53,003 --> 00:13:55,297 and I be--I was right in the dust pale 252 00:13:55,380 --> 00:13:58,216 of this whole operation. And that wasn't gonna work 253 00:13:58,300 --> 00:14:01,219 because I didn't want no frickin' concrete plant next to me. 254 00:14:05,515 --> 00:14:07,726 [Broady] There was opposition to the concrete plant, 255 00:14:07,809 --> 00:14:10,812 and we heard we had public hearings. 256 00:14:10,896 --> 00:14:15,108 Uh, I was acting mayor because the mayor 257 00:14:15,192 --> 00:14:18,111 and the mayor pro tem both had conflicts of interest, 258 00:14:18,195 --> 00:14:20,364 so I presided over the public hearings, 259 00:14:20,447 --> 00:14:22,491 We allowed the public to come in, and it was 260 00:14:22,574 --> 00:14:25,035 a packed house. People spoke for it, 261 00:14:25,118 --> 00:14:27,245 for the service the concrete would provide. 262 00:14:27,329 --> 00:14:30,415 And there was lots of people that spoke out against it. 263 00:14:30,499 --> 00:14:33,585 [Brower] Marv Heemeyer did a great job of arousing 264 00:14:33,668 --> 00:14:37,297 public sentiment in his favor against the batch plant, 265 00:14:37,381 --> 00:14:40,759 He felt that the batch plant would hurt his business. 266 00:14:40,842 --> 00:14:42,928 He claimed that there would be dust, 267 00:14:43,011 --> 00:14:46,014 that there would be noise, that there would be excess traffic. 268 00:14:46,098 --> 00:14:48,642 Who knew what they were going to do to the water supply. 269 00:14:48,725 --> 00:14:51,770 He also made that argument on behalf of people in the neighborhood. 270 00:14:51,853 --> 00:14:54,398 Marv got a lot of these people to show up and, 271 00:14:54,481 --> 00:14:56,274 basically, say we don't want it, we don't like it, 272 00:14:56,358 --> 00:14:58,068 what are you going to do to our neighborhood? 273 00:14:58,777 --> 00:15:01,696 They voiced a lot of the concerns that Marv was voicing. 274 00:15:01,780 --> 00:15:05,575 This went on for a series of three, four, maybe even five meetings. 275 00:15:05,659 --> 00:15:08,245 And there'd be discourse and, and discussion, 276 00:15:08,328 --> 00:15:11,706 and Cody would jump up because he was so upset. 277 00:15:11,790 --> 00:15:13,917 He has, he's a fiery guy. 278 00:15:15,043 --> 00:15:17,754 The town ultimately approved 279 00:15:18,463 --> 00:15:20,048 Cody's batch plant down there, 280 00:15:20,132 --> 00:15:22,259 but with a host of, of conditions, 281 00:15:22,342 --> 00:15:23,969 the typical things that you see. 282 00:15:24,052 --> 00:15:26,096 I think I read the motion, the whereas 283 00:15:26,179 --> 00:15:27,597 and the wherefores and all that stuff 284 00:15:27,681 --> 00:15:29,015 to approve the batch plant. 285 00:15:29,599 --> 00:15:31,309 [Brower] And it was at that meeting in '99 286 00:15:31,393 --> 00:15:32,686 where Marv promised he'd fight 'em 287 00:15:32,769 --> 00:15:33,645 the whole way. 288 00:15:34,438 --> 00:15:38,024 [Marv] In nature, wolves, coyotes, 289 00:15:38,108 --> 00:15:39,776 they have their territory. 290 00:15:39,860 --> 00:15:41,695 A mother just--look at the mother, 291 00:15:41,778 --> 00:15:43,822 she will fight to protect her young. 292 00:15:43,905 --> 00:15:46,366 And a male, a male will definitely protect 293 00:15:46,450 --> 00:15:49,953 his territory. If he doesn't, he'll be overrun. 294 00:15:50,745 --> 00:15:52,998 Now, if an animal will do this, 295 00:15:54,249 --> 00:15:55,709 why wouldn't a man? 296 00:16:00,714 --> 00:16:04,426 [Brower] In the meantime, the town is cracking down hard on Marv 297 00:16:04,509 --> 00:16:07,554 saying there is a serious issue with your water and sewer. 298 00:16:08,263 --> 00:16:11,224 He ended up going to Granby Municipal Court. 299 00:16:11,308 --> 00:16:13,143 Judge Noriyuki was presiding. 300 00:16:13,226 --> 00:16:15,228 She said we find you in violation. 301 00:16:15,312 --> 00:16:17,939 We're gonna give you a deferred judgment, however, 302 00:16:18,064 --> 00:16:20,775 and you can't use the property for anything 303 00:16:20,859 --> 00:16:23,028 until you're hooked up to water and sewer. 304 00:16:23,111 --> 00:16:26,698 You have to connect, but 400 feet's a long way. 305 00:16:26,781 --> 00:16:28,533 There could be a piece of property in the way 306 00:16:28,617 --> 00:16:31,244 and in this case there was: Cody's. 307 00:16:31,328 --> 00:16:34,122 He needed the easement. Cody wasn't gonna give him the easement. 308 00:16:36,041 --> 00:16:40,921 [McClelland] The town contacts him and says we're gonna fine you $100 a day 309 00:16:41,004 --> 00:16:44,341 because you're operating a business and you're not hooked up to the sewer. 310 00:16:44,424 --> 00:16:47,093 [Brower] Marv wrote a check to the town, 311 00:16:47,177 --> 00:16:49,054 and he wrote on the memo line, 312 00:16:49,137 --> 00:16:51,264 "Cowards and Liars Department." 313 00:16:51,348 --> 00:16:53,475 And to add insult to injury, they sent it back 314 00:16:53,558 --> 00:16:55,310 and said the amount is incorrect. 315 00:16:55,936 --> 00:16:59,481 Well, this clearly angered Marv. He shows up at the town hall. 316 00:16:59,564 --> 00:17:02,692 They kept fining him because he was an out-of-towner. 317 00:17:02,776 --> 00:17:05,153 He came up here and small town... 318 00:17:06,446 --> 00:17:09,991 [McClelland] In Marv's mind this was just another example 319 00:17:10,075 --> 00:17:13,662 of the town not treating him fairly. 320 00:17:17,415 --> 00:17:20,001 [Brower] The Docheffs were moving forward with their proposal. 321 00:17:20,126 --> 00:17:22,337 Suddenly Marv shows up with an attorney 322 00:17:22,420 --> 00:17:25,674 then he's saying I think that we've caught you in a mistake. 323 00:17:27,634 --> 00:17:29,636 The town board was stunned. 324 00:17:29,719 --> 00:17:32,430 They called an executive session, kicked everybody out. 325 00:17:32,514 --> 00:17:35,016 They said, well, we're gonna put everything on hold 326 00:17:35,100 --> 00:17:37,060 until we can decide what we're gonna do. 327 00:17:37,644 --> 00:17:39,145 [Farrell] The attorney made us be very 328 00:17:39,229 --> 00:17:41,189 dot the I's, cross the t's, 329 00:17:41,273 --> 00:17:43,567 so we wanted to make sure that whatever we did, 330 00:17:43,650 --> 00:17:46,820 we were right on the money with. 331 00:17:47,362 --> 00:17:49,781 [Brower] They came back and said we're gonna let them restart 332 00:17:49,864 --> 00:17:52,701 from square one so that we can do it right this time. 333 00:17:55,370 --> 00:17:59,499 As a last ditch effort, Marv filed a lawsuit in district court. 334 00:18:00,625 --> 00:18:03,336 But the Docheffs, they're serious about building 335 00:18:03,420 --> 00:18:05,547 this batch plant as quickly as possible. 336 00:18:05,630 --> 00:18:08,592 They're moving forward as if there's not any barrier 337 00:18:08,675 --> 00:18:10,594 to their progress at all. 338 00:18:10,677 --> 00:18:12,387 There's heavy equipment operating 339 00:18:12,470 --> 00:18:14,764 at the soon-to-be batch plant site. 340 00:18:14,848 --> 00:18:17,309 Marv is sitting here watching all this happening, 341 00:18:17,392 --> 00:18:19,352 and I think he is just stewing about it. 342 00:18:20,228 --> 00:18:22,647 [Marv] You put yourself in my shoes 343 00:18:22,731 --> 00:18:25,191 and tell me how you would feel, 344 00:18:25,275 --> 00:18:29,821 realizing that you've wasted 10 years of your life 345 00:18:30,572 --> 00:18:33,199 because of someone's malice. 346 00:18:33,283 --> 00:18:37,787 [Spencer] He's putting out money and he's getting shut down every corner, 347 00:18:37,871 --> 00:18:40,290 and then it was to nothing. I don't know how much he spent. 348 00:18:40,373 --> 00:18:43,376 I know one time he had 150 grand into it. 349 00:18:43,460 --> 00:18:47,631 And I said, "Well, you shouldn't have spent that much money 350 00:18:47,714 --> 00:18:50,634 on these assholes because you can't fight the government." 351 00:18:50,717 --> 00:18:54,763 Nine months later, the court made its ruling on the lawsuit. 352 00:18:55,472 --> 00:18:59,100 Judge Doucet dismissed the lawsuit completely. 353 00:19:00,226 --> 00:19:03,521 Suddenly, Marv had nobody on his side. 354 00:19:03,605 --> 00:19:06,775 [Marv] My attorney, as paid off as he was, 355 00:19:06,858 --> 00:19:09,694 that's all he was doing was making money on the deal. 356 00:19:09,778 --> 00:19:12,781 He didn't care if I win or lose. As a matter of fact he said 357 00:19:12,864 --> 00:19:15,742 that he wouldn't appeal it. I always told him, I says, 358 00:19:15,825 --> 00:19:18,995 "It's good enough if we lose to appeal it 359 00:19:19,079 --> 00:19:22,040 to a higher court." He though wouldn't do it. 360 00:19:22,123 --> 00:19:23,416 He would not appeal it. 361 00:19:24,376 --> 00:19:27,837 You know, they think that I should have to stay down there 362 00:19:27,921 --> 00:19:31,257 in Granby. I should have kept my muffler shop going. 363 00:19:31,341 --> 00:19:35,428 I should have put up with all the dust, all the, the snickers. 364 00:19:36,137 --> 00:19:40,725 You know the--the town council, I'd pass them in the post office 365 00:19:40,809 --> 00:19:44,270 and they'd snicker at me after they knew I lost. 366 00:19:44,354 --> 00:19:48,650 On the street, Casey Farrell, what a barbarian. 367 00:19:48,733 --> 00:19:52,404 He comes across being one of those good guys. 368 00:19:52,487 --> 00:19:54,114 He's part of the problem. 369 00:19:54,197 --> 00:19:55,657 They knew what they were doing. 370 00:19:56,241 --> 00:19:58,243 They were trying to run him out of town. 371 00:19:58,326 --> 00:20:01,246 [Marv] The town had a hard on for Marv Heemeyer. 372 00:20:01,329 --> 00:20:04,582 They didn't stop a thing! Marv didn't have any malice towards us. 373 00:20:04,666 --> 00:20:07,377 This is a sign to not do this. 374 00:20:07,460 --> 00:20:10,880 No, they kept it in their hardened hearts.., 375 00:20:10,964 --> 00:20:13,925 and said we'll get him. They started getting me 376 00:20:14,008 --> 00:20:17,637 in 1992 when they kept me off the sanitation district. 377 00:20:17,721 --> 00:20:21,516 They started getting me when Gus Harris sold the property 378 00:20:21,599 --> 00:20:24,894 to Cody Docheff. They got me when they issued 379 00:20:24,978 --> 00:20:28,148 the building permit to Cody Docheff 380 00:20:28,231 --> 00:20:30,525 for the concrete plant and denied 381 00:20:30,608 --> 00:20:32,444 that it was for the concrete plant. 382 00:20:32,527 --> 00:20:35,572 Are we all stupid? Come on, they knew! 383 00:20:35,655 --> 00:20:37,657 And when I would ask them these questions-- 384 00:20:37,741 --> 00:20:39,617 But what you won't find in the minutes, 385 00:20:39,701 --> 00:20:41,619 they would just shut right up, stonewall you. 386 00:20:41,703 --> 00:20:42,954 They didn't have an answer. 387 00:20:44,038 --> 00:20:46,916 I'd shoot the truth in their face 388 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,295 and they couldn't deal with it. And, and I'm sorry, 389 00:20:50,378 --> 00:20:52,589 they are going to have to deal with it. 390 00:20:52,672 --> 00:20:56,134 I guarantee you I am going to make them deal with it. 391 00:20:59,471 --> 00:21:01,806 [Trisha] The battle with the town of Granby, you know, 392 00:21:01,890 --> 00:21:04,934 um we talked about it, but I didn't get that feeling 393 00:21:05,018 --> 00:21:06,936 that he was so angry. 394 00:21:08,104 --> 00:21:11,191 No one realized how... 395 00:21:13,276 --> 00:21:17,530 how... God, distorted it was becoming to him. 396 00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:28,041 [Brower] Marv was feeling defeated, 397 00:21:29,125 --> 00:21:34,464 humiliated, and at his wit's end about what he was gonna do. 398 00:21:34,547 --> 00:21:37,258 He goes out, sits in his hot tub with a beer 399 00:21:37,383 --> 00:21:39,552 in his hand, and has inspiration. 400 00:21:41,971 --> 00:21:46,184 [Marv] When I was sitting in the hot tub, and I mean I was, I was weeping. 401 00:21:48,770 --> 00:21:51,272 And a peace came over me 402 00:21:51,898 --> 00:21:54,984 where I knew God wanted me to do it. 403 00:21:58,321 --> 00:21:59,864 And I didn't understand. 404 00:22:00,490 --> 00:22:03,451 I said, "Why did you ask me to do this? 405 00:22:04,244 --> 00:22:08,081 Is that why I've never been married, so I didn't have a family? 406 00:22:08,164 --> 00:22:10,667 Is that why I've always been successful 407 00:22:10,750 --> 00:22:14,504 so that I would realize my rewards for doing this task?" 408 00:22:15,672 --> 00:22:17,090 But it has to be done. 409 00:22:17,757 --> 00:22:21,094 And the world will write stories 410 00:22:21,177 --> 00:22:23,054 about how wrong I am 411 00:22:23,721 --> 00:22:27,308 and without a doubt I wish it could be done a different way 412 00:22:27,433 --> 00:22:30,520 but there is no way to make this right. 413 00:22:31,646 --> 00:22:34,148 You picked on the wrong man! 414 00:22:41,698 --> 00:22:45,618 [Brower] Cody, do you remember the first time you met Marv at that auction? 415 00:23:03,094 --> 00:23:06,055 There is the difference of points of view or memory 416 00:23:06,139 --> 00:23:08,558 about what happened after Marv got it. 417 00:23:08,641 --> 00:23:12,353 [Marv] Cody Docheff, I mean this guy's just a fucking asshole. 418 00:23:12,437 --> 00:23:15,648 Come back and just introduced himself by giving me 419 00:23:15,732 --> 00:23:17,650 a tongue lashing for about 10 minutes. 420 00:23:26,034 --> 00:23:30,496 [Brower] The reason I ask is that Marv claims that you guys talked afterwards. 421 00:23:34,208 --> 00:23:36,461 [Marv] I talked to this guy forever it seems like, 422 00:23:36,544 --> 00:23:39,547 and everybody around me, they couldn't believe this asshole. 423 00:23:39,631 --> 00:23:43,384 And this is the only guy of all the properties sold before his 424 00:23:43,509 --> 00:23:46,512 that was doing any screaming at anybody during the auction. 425 00:23:46,596 --> 00:23:48,222 Gus doesn't remember it either. 426 00:23:49,724 --> 00:23:53,937 [Gus] I uh, I've been a school bus driver for 50 years. 427 00:23:54,020 --> 00:23:57,774 Cody has been a good friend for many, many years. 428 00:23:57,857 --> 00:24:00,652 We have gone to auctions together before on times. 429 00:24:00,735 --> 00:24:05,865 So, Cody went with me but he had no party in the-- in the auction. 430 00:24:05,949 --> 00:24:10,787 Cody and I sat and listened to another bid or two. 431 00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:13,331 There really wasn't much of anything happened. 432 00:24:13,414 --> 00:24:17,794 I don't know what Marv did. I wasn't paying any attention to him really. 433 00:24:17,877 --> 00:24:21,839 And then we just got up and, and, uh, left. Yeah, 434 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,513 Cody would maybe be interested in the property at a, at a future time, 435 00:24:28,596 --> 00:24:31,933 but, uh, there was no agreement or talk between us 436 00:24:32,016 --> 00:24:33,935 of him owning that property. 437 00:24:34,936 --> 00:24:38,898 [Marv] Cody would have been mad at anybody who would have bought the property, 438 00:24:38,982 --> 00:24:43,403 anybody, but, but you gotta go there with enough money. 439 00:24:43,486 --> 00:24:46,447 Otherwise you're the problem. 440 00:24:46,531 --> 00:24:49,534 It's your fault that this happened, not mine. 441 00:24:51,744 --> 00:24:56,249 [Brower] Marv in his tapes, the way he characterizes the town, 442 00:24:56,332 --> 00:24:59,961 me and many other people, just did not reflect what I thought 443 00:25:00,044 --> 00:25:03,297 was the way those people really were and really are. 444 00:25:03,381 --> 00:25:05,258 [Marv] I wasted... 445 00:25:06,718 --> 00:25:10,221 thirteen years of my life down there 446 00:25:10,847 --> 00:25:14,267 because the Thompsons were pissed off 447 00:25:14,350 --> 00:25:16,310 that I bought that property. 448 00:25:19,355 --> 00:25:22,650 [Larry Thompson] We lived here all of our life. We were born and raised here. 449 00:25:23,943 --> 00:25:27,155 Probably gonna die here, so. Where else you gonna go, but... 450 00:25:27,947 --> 00:25:31,868 No, our dad started here in business in 1949. 451 00:25:31,951 --> 00:25:34,787 We had our mom, our dad, then we had another brother 452 00:25:34,871 --> 00:25:38,958 between the two of us that got sick in '02, and he passed away. 453 00:25:40,168 --> 00:25:43,963 And everybody has their hardships, so we had more than our fair share. 454 00:25:44,047 --> 00:25:46,049 - A raft of 'em. - A raft of 'em. 455 00:25:47,050 --> 00:25:50,511 [Brower] And the popular conception of the Thompson brothers is that 456 00:25:50,595 --> 00:25:53,139 they are the hardest working millionaires in the county. 457 00:25:53,222 --> 00:25:55,850 They probably could live well off of the revenue 458 00:25:55,933 --> 00:25:58,603 from their property that they have in Granby. 459 00:25:58,686 --> 00:26:01,147 They could probably hire people but they don't. 460 00:26:01,230 --> 00:26:04,150 They choose to work and I actually think they like the work. 461 00:26:04,734 --> 00:26:06,527 [Larry Thompson] We got a whole yard full of stuff. 462 00:26:06,611 --> 00:26:08,863 We don't hire any help. We just do it ourselves. 463 00:26:08,946 --> 00:26:11,824 It's fun, so keeps us out of trouble, so... 464 00:26:13,451 --> 00:26:18,039 [Marv] I spent one day here in the spring of 2003, 465 00:26:18,122 --> 00:26:23,252 the Thompson brothers were down below my house here in Grand Lake, 466 00:26:23,336 --> 00:26:25,505 digging a foundation for a house. 467 00:26:25,588 --> 00:26:28,674 Larry Thompson was standing out by his truck by himself, 468 00:26:28,758 --> 00:26:31,761 so I drove up to him and had a few words with him. 469 00:26:31,844 --> 00:26:34,430 Basically what I told him was that, "You know, Larry, 470 00:26:34,514 --> 00:26:37,850 you know, about in 1992, your family 471 00:26:37,934 --> 00:26:42,063 financially affected my life for the rest of my life." 472 00:26:42,146 --> 00:26:45,817 Well, Marv had a beef with our dad because he was on the town board, 473 00:26:46,567 --> 00:26:51,364 town council for a lot of years. And in the last years of his life, he was the mayor. 474 00:26:51,447 --> 00:26:55,827 [Marv] And I says, "You owe me, I want $300,000 from you." 475 00:26:55,910 --> 00:26:57,912 And he says it'll never happen. 476 00:26:57,995 --> 00:27:00,581 And I says, "Well, I guarantee you, Larry, 477 00:27:00,665 --> 00:27:02,250 I'm gonna collect." 478 00:27:02,333 --> 00:27:04,585 One day, we always was friendly to him, 479 00:27:04,669 --> 00:27:06,754 you know, and he rolled his window down and he says, 480 00:27:06,838 --> 00:27:09,215 "I'm gonna get you guys." And rolled his windows up and left, 481 00:27:09,298 --> 00:27:11,384 and that's the last time we ever talked to him. 482 00:27:11,467 --> 00:27:15,304 [Marv] He basically confirmed in my mind right there 483 00:27:16,556 --> 00:27:18,099 that he knew what I was talking about. 484 00:27:18,182 --> 00:27:20,143 And he knew what had been done 485 00:27:20,226 --> 00:27:22,603 because he had one thing to say. He screamed it at me 486 00:27:22,687 --> 00:27:24,981 as I am about five truck lengths away. 487 00:27:25,064 --> 00:27:28,860 He screamed, "You can suck my dick!" 488 00:27:28,943 --> 00:27:31,779 Well, when someone is that frustrated 489 00:27:31,863 --> 00:27:34,073 that they've gotta say something like that, 490 00:27:34,157 --> 00:27:35,825 you know they know. 491 00:27:37,535 --> 00:27:40,371 It was all politics related, so 492 00:27:40,454 --> 00:27:43,332 I don't think anybody ever done him wrong on purpose. 493 00:27:46,419 --> 00:27:47,795 You never know what gets into people. 494 00:27:49,672 --> 00:27:51,299 [Marv] He's a cowardly bastard. 495 00:27:52,216 --> 00:27:55,803 He's a Catholic, and I think they are some of the biggest cowards 496 00:27:55,887 --> 00:27:59,182 I have ever met. They believe the only way that they can stay on top 497 00:27:59,765 --> 00:28:01,601 is to keep their neighbor down. 498 00:28:02,393 --> 00:28:05,646 [Brower] I think that Marv might have seen in the Thompson family 499 00:28:05,730 --> 00:28:08,816 an example of what he may have really aspired to, 500 00:28:09,650 --> 00:28:13,863 which was being a relatively wealthy, land-owning family 501 00:28:13,946 --> 00:28:18,034 that worked with their hands, worked with heavy equipment, 502 00:28:18,117 --> 00:28:21,579 that were able to make a living at it and be successful. 503 00:28:22,705 --> 00:28:25,583 [Gary Thompson] This is my die-cast toy collection. 504 00:28:25,666 --> 00:28:29,503 I've probably been collecting 15 years now, maybe a little longer. 505 00:28:30,379 --> 00:28:33,007 And this is kind of my hobby that I do in the evenings, 506 00:28:33,090 --> 00:28:34,508 mainly in the wintertime. 507 00:28:35,509 --> 00:28:38,179 So I just buy one, two toys once in a while 508 00:28:38,262 --> 00:28:39,347 as I can afford it. 509 00:28:41,307 --> 00:28:42,975 [man] Is this your favorite truck? 510 00:28:43,059 --> 00:28:44,435 [Larry Thompson] They're all favorite trucks. 511 00:28:44,977 --> 00:28:46,687 They're our toys. 512 00:28:49,065 --> 00:28:51,817 So... But anyway. 513 00:28:54,278 --> 00:28:56,906 I went down to talk to Marv about his business 514 00:28:56,989 --> 00:28:59,283 and whether he'd like us to do a new business story, 515 00:28:59,367 --> 00:29:00,952 and would he like to buy some advertising. 516 00:29:04,288 --> 00:29:07,124 And Marv was only open at select hours. 517 00:29:07,208 --> 00:29:10,962 Marv ran that business so he could indulge in his snowmobiling habit. 518 00:29:11,045 --> 00:29:13,297 I must've gone back down to the muffler shop 519 00:29:13,381 --> 00:29:16,342 three-four times and Marv was never there. 520 00:29:17,301 --> 00:29:19,929 [Marv] This newspaper guy, Patrick Brower, 521 00:29:20,012 --> 00:29:22,098 this guy hated me. 522 00:29:22,181 --> 00:29:24,976 When I first came up here in uh '91, 523 00:29:25,059 --> 00:29:26,852 he said that he was gonna come down 524 00:29:26,936 --> 00:29:28,354 and do an article on my little business. 525 00:29:28,437 --> 00:29:30,398 Well, he never did do it. 526 00:29:30,481 --> 00:29:33,067 You know, he was doing everything he could 527 00:29:33,150 --> 00:29:36,487 to keep me from getting any additional publicity. 528 00:29:36,570 --> 00:29:38,948 He knows how to abuse the power of the pen. 529 00:29:39,031 --> 00:29:42,451 And that's a big thing up here is abuse of power. 530 00:29:42,535 --> 00:29:44,704 [Brower] When the time came where I ran into Marv, 531 00:29:44,787 --> 00:29:46,872 he was all upset with me for never doing his story. 532 00:29:46,956 --> 00:29:49,375 I said, "Marv, why don't I just give you an ad." 533 00:29:50,251 --> 00:29:52,920 Yeah, I took a photo of Marv and ran a free ad for him. 534 00:29:53,004 --> 00:29:55,631 It was I think a $200 ad that he got for nothing. 535 00:29:55,715 --> 00:29:59,010 [Marv] I know the newspaper guy, that guy, 536 00:29:59,093 --> 00:30:01,887 he has told so many lies. It's one thing about lying-- 537 00:30:01,971 --> 00:30:05,599 You tell a lie, usually you gotta tell five more to cover that up. 538 00:30:12,732 --> 00:30:16,902 I came to Granby in '78, three kids raised here. 539 00:30:16,986 --> 00:30:18,571 Bought the store in '92. 540 00:30:18,654 --> 00:30:21,282 We try to be part of the community 541 00:30:21,365 --> 00:30:23,784 and support the community because they support us. 542 00:30:23,868 --> 00:30:27,496 So that's how I got kind of involved in town board thing. 543 00:30:27,580 --> 00:30:31,125 [Marv] Casey Farrell, what a barbarian. 544 00:30:31,709 --> 00:30:34,754 He comes across being one of those good guys. 545 00:30:36,714 --> 00:30:38,257 He's part of the problem. 546 00:30:38,341 --> 00:30:40,634 Casey and Ronda Farrell and their family 547 00:30:40,718 --> 00:30:43,137 are the kind of people you want for neighbors. 548 00:30:43,220 --> 00:30:45,181 He never did anything with ill intent. 549 00:30:45,890 --> 00:30:47,808 He never did anything with malice. 550 00:30:47,892 --> 00:30:51,562 [Marv] The town council, I'd pass them in the post office 551 00:30:51,645 --> 00:30:55,066 and they'd snicker at me after they knew I lost. 552 00:30:56,859 --> 00:30:59,403 [Farrell] In that batch plant, I felt like it was a positive, 553 00:30:59,487 --> 00:31:01,489 and I couldn't see a downside for Marv. 554 00:31:02,531 --> 00:31:06,160 It was gonna supply concrete so the community could grow. 555 00:31:06,243 --> 00:31:08,454 The opportunity for jobs. 556 00:31:08,537 --> 00:31:10,956 I mean, he might get a little dust on his muffler shop, 557 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,542 but it wasn't all that clean to begin with. 558 00:31:13,626 --> 00:31:16,837 [Marv] How many times do you have to try to deal with a man? 559 00:31:16,921 --> 00:31:21,300 Come on, Cody, be reasonable, but that's what you cannot do 560 00:31:21,384 --> 00:31:24,470 with people in the mountains, especially in Granby. 561 00:31:28,432 --> 00:31:31,811 [Brower] Cody Docheff built his concrete business from the ground up. 562 00:31:31,894 --> 00:31:35,189 He's what I would call a kind of a salt of the earth businessman 563 00:31:35,272 --> 00:31:37,858 who, uh, is a doer. He's a hard worker. 564 00:31:38,442 --> 00:31:40,778 Maybe Marv and Cody had some head butting 565 00:31:40,861 --> 00:31:43,531 just because they are both alpha personalities 566 00:31:43,614 --> 00:31:44,949 or something of that nature. 567 00:31:45,866 --> 00:31:47,910 [Farrell] I think they're both pretty good at what they do. 568 00:31:48,577 --> 00:31:50,287 Neither one of 'em were trust fund babies. 569 00:31:50,955 --> 00:31:52,998 Cody's worked hard to get where he's at. 570 00:31:53,082 --> 00:31:54,625 Cody's, Cody's Cody. 571 00:31:55,543 --> 00:31:57,461 - It's just his nature. - It's just his nature. 572 00:31:57,545 --> 00:31:59,338 You know, he's just, he tells it the way it is. 573 00:31:59,422 --> 00:32:01,590 - If you don't like it... - He just tells ya. 574 00:32:01,674 --> 00:32:04,260 He tells ya, you know. He's a good guy, you know. 575 00:32:04,343 --> 00:32:06,095 He'd do anything for ya, but he's just... 576 00:32:06,762 --> 00:32:09,640 got a little short fuse, goes off, but he's okay, 577 00:32:09,723 --> 00:32:11,809 - you know. - Oh, yeah, he has a bit of a temper, 578 00:32:11,892 --> 00:32:14,061 - but he, he's all right. - He's all right, you know. 579 00:32:14,145 --> 00:32:16,522 He's a little Bulgarian. 580 00:32:16,605 --> 00:32:20,192 He's quite quick. He's a good man. 581 00:32:20,276 --> 00:32:23,779 He's done all right around here, works his butt off like everybody else. 582 00:32:23,863 --> 00:32:26,907 - Yeah, he, he's earned it. - Yeah, he's earned every nickel he made. 583 00:32:26,991 --> 00:32:29,243 - He came here with basically nothing. - Nothing. 584 00:32:29,326 --> 00:32:30,453 Uh, Marv and Cody 585 00:32:31,495 --> 00:32:32,997 probably could have been friends. 586 00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:39,128 [Marv] For years I tried to appease Cody Docheff's misguided anger. 587 00:32:39,211 --> 00:32:41,505 I bought every bit of concrete, 588 00:32:41,589 --> 00:32:43,674 which turned out to be shit. 589 00:32:47,094 --> 00:32:50,181 [Brower] Marv complained about the sewer board holding him over a barrel, 590 00:32:50,264 --> 00:32:52,641 but that was completely standard procedure. 591 00:32:52,725 --> 00:32:54,685 It's true that it can be expensive, 592 00:32:54,768 --> 00:32:56,687 but Cody connected when he built the batch plant, 593 00:32:56,770 --> 00:32:58,105 and it would not cost much 594 00:32:58,189 --> 00:33:00,065 for Marv to have hooked on. 595 00:33:01,692 --> 00:33:04,153 The Docheffs called up Marv and said, "Marv, 596 00:33:04,236 --> 00:33:08,449 we'll give you an easement for your water and sewer 597 00:33:08,532 --> 00:33:11,368 if you drop your lawsuit against the town and us." 598 00:33:12,286 --> 00:33:16,165 Marv just hung up. When he was called into the court 599 00:33:16,248 --> 00:33:18,751 because he hadn't connected his sewer lines, 600 00:33:18,834 --> 00:33:21,921 he's clearly stalling on resolving this issue. 601 00:33:22,004 --> 00:33:25,841 This is where Marv confronts Deb Hess, who is a town clerk. 602 00:33:26,509 --> 00:33:28,761 [Brower] So, Deb, did you have any dealings with Marv? 603 00:33:28,844 --> 00:33:31,472 [Hess] He had come in my office, he was accusing me 604 00:33:31,555 --> 00:33:33,516 of going over to the bank and badmouthing him. 605 00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:35,893 I said, "Mr. Heemeyer, I wasn't over at the bank 606 00:33:35,976 --> 00:33:39,230 and I wouldn't do that. I mean, I have no reason to badmouth him. 607 00:33:39,313 --> 00:33:41,065 I just said I just need a different check. 608 00:33:41,148 --> 00:33:42,900 [Brower] Actually, he had made a mistake 609 00:33:42,983 --> 00:33:44,818 when he wrote out the amount. 610 00:33:44,902 --> 00:33:47,613 Marv corrects the verbiage on the check 611 00:33:47,696 --> 00:33:50,491 and then the check clears and he's paid his fine. 612 00:33:50,574 --> 00:33:53,327 Marv's anger affected his interpretation of events 613 00:33:53,410 --> 00:33:55,829 with Dietze as well. He believed Dietze milked him 614 00:33:55,913 --> 00:33:57,831 for money and abandoned him on appeal. 615 00:33:58,707 --> 00:34:00,918 But if Dietze was really out to milk Heemeyer 616 00:34:01,001 --> 00:34:03,003 why didn't he go to the appeal? 617 00:34:03,087 --> 00:34:05,756 It'd be a way to milk another $55,000 out of him. 618 00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:10,928 And the irony is Cody had been offering to buy Marv out from the beginning, 619 00:34:11,011 --> 00:34:14,848 and Marv saw an opportunity to sell that two-acre parcel 620 00:34:14,932 --> 00:34:18,143 that he had bought at that auction to the Docheffs. 621 00:34:18,227 --> 00:34:21,939 [Broady] Marv put a price on his property of $250,000. 622 00:34:22,481 --> 00:34:25,985 That's a pretty good profit, six times what he paid for it. 623 00:34:26,068 --> 00:34:27,987 Cody had agreed to 250,000. 624 00:34:28,070 --> 00:34:30,906 Immediately, Marv backed out and said no, 625 00:34:30,990 --> 00:34:32,783 I want 375,000. 626 00:34:32,866 --> 00:34:34,743 Cody said all right, we'll pay that. 627 00:34:34,827 --> 00:34:36,620 Marv backed out again. 628 00:34:36,704 --> 00:34:39,206 I'm not sure if Marv was looking for a fight 629 00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:42,501 at that point in time. He had a way out. 630 00:34:42,585 --> 00:34:44,503 He had a way out to make some good money 631 00:34:44,587 --> 00:34:46,672 and, and go on about his life, 632 00:34:46,755 --> 00:34:49,008 but he chose that path for whatever reason. 633 00:34:51,385 --> 00:34:54,805 At the town level, the people on there are just 634 00:34:54,888 --> 00:34:57,683 everyday people that want to give back. 635 00:34:58,475 --> 00:35:00,853 And to say that the people that sit behind us 636 00:35:00,936 --> 00:35:04,231 in this board room do things for any other reason 637 00:35:04,940 --> 00:35:11,488 than trying to make a difference and trying to do what's right, they're sadly mistaken. 638 00:35:11,572 --> 00:35:13,782 [Farrell] He was raising hell about Cody and the batch plant, 639 00:35:14,491 --> 00:35:19,997 Marv... actually made that better for the town 640 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:25,711 because he was raising issues that the people on the board they hadn't thought about. 641 00:35:26,587 --> 00:35:29,882 So he'd come in and he'd say, "well, what about dust?" or this, or that or whatever, 642 00:35:31,091 --> 00:35:34,053 they'd go, "Well, that makes sense to me. What do you think, Cody?" 643 00:35:34,136 --> 00:35:35,679 "Oh, yeah, I can fix that, no big deal." 644 00:35:36,930 --> 00:35:39,725 So we really got a better deal for the town 645 00:35:39,808 --> 00:35:42,186 because of Marv complaining. 646 00:35:42,269 --> 00:35:45,272 Well, after we approved it, it was, actually, I-- I felt like it was 647 00:35:46,482 --> 00:35:48,859 a pretty damn good deal, really. 648 00:35:48,942 --> 00:35:51,070 [Brower] Marv's assumption that there was this group 649 00:35:51,153 --> 00:35:53,280 of community leaders that would get together 650 00:35:53,364 --> 00:35:54,948 at the coffee shop in the morning and 651 00:35:55,032 --> 00:35:57,368 conspire about how to keep Marv 652 00:35:57,451 --> 00:35:59,578 from moving forward because he's the new guy... 653 00:36:00,537 --> 00:36:01,914 It's patently untrue. 654 00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:06,460 He was upset. He wanted to have it his way 655 00:36:06,543 --> 00:36:08,253 and it wasn't gonna go his way. 656 00:36:19,973 --> 00:36:23,644 [Brower] Marv went to California probably based on an advertisement 657 00:36:23,727 --> 00:36:25,854 he saw in a Ritchie Bros. auction site 658 00:36:25,938 --> 00:36:30,025 for this Komatsu D355 bulldozer. 659 00:36:30,776 --> 00:36:32,653 Marv bid on it and got it at a great deal. 660 00:36:37,866 --> 00:36:41,161 It's a big dozer, yeah, big dozer. 661 00:36:41,245 --> 00:36:43,288 [Brower] He then stuck it on a flatbed, had it driven 662 00:36:43,372 --> 00:36:46,125 all the way to Granby, Colorado, from California. 663 00:36:46,208 --> 00:36:49,294 He had it delivered in July of 2002. 664 00:36:49,378 --> 00:36:51,880 We're sitting eating dinner one night and this big yellow truck 665 00:36:51,964 --> 00:36:54,675 comes in town with this big dozer on it. We sat down there and watched them 666 00:36:54,758 --> 00:36:56,385 unload that thing off the trailer. 667 00:36:56,468 --> 00:36:58,512 But we were working the next county up, 668 00:36:58,595 --> 00:37:01,432 and it was midnight or one in the morning 669 00:37:01,515 --> 00:37:05,602 before we got back to our warehouse, but we took the back way. 670 00:37:05,686 --> 00:37:08,480 And they're unloading that dozer 671 00:37:08,564 --> 00:37:11,817 that night. It's just really strange. 672 00:37:11,900 --> 00:37:14,528 That thing, it's a pretty good-sized tractor. We thought, 673 00:37:14,611 --> 00:37:17,489 "What in the heck is he gonna do with that goddam thing, you know?" 674 00:37:17,573 --> 00:37:20,826 [Brower] He ended up parking the dozer up on the access road 675 00:37:20,909 --> 00:37:25,789 to the muffler property so that the blade was facing out on this dirt road. 676 00:37:26,415 --> 00:37:29,001 And he had right in the middle of the blade, a for sale sign. 677 00:37:29,585 --> 00:37:33,338 And it just sat there through that winter of 2002 to 2003. 678 00:37:33,422 --> 00:37:37,217 [Spencer] He parked Komatsu outside the muffler shop 679 00:37:37,301 --> 00:37:39,428 just to make Docheff nervous. 680 00:37:40,220 --> 00:37:43,599 That's why he bought it-- for the intimidation factor. 681 00:37:51,106 --> 00:37:53,859 [Marv] I wanted these people to learn, 682 00:37:54,485 --> 00:37:59,072 and he knew that I eventually would get to the point 683 00:37:59,156 --> 00:38:02,576 where I wouldn't put up with what they were taking away from me, 684 00:38:02,659 --> 00:38:04,620 for what they had denied me. 685 00:38:04,703 --> 00:38:07,080 God knew Marv Heemeyer very well. 686 00:38:09,708 --> 00:38:13,879 [Brower] Essentially, he becomes the victim that is then justified 687 00:38:13,962 --> 00:38:16,757 in reacting against all these people that have done him wrong. 688 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,885 [Marv] We know he wants to get out of it. We know he knows he's screwed. 689 00:38:19,968 --> 00:38:22,387 Let's really screw him, you know. 690 00:38:22,471 --> 00:38:24,765 That's exactly what their attitude was. 691 00:38:24,848 --> 00:38:28,185 And, and they did. I had no choice. 692 00:38:28,268 --> 00:38:29,853 What was I supposed to do? 693 00:38:31,980 --> 00:38:36,109 [Brower] The allegation is that somehow the town ruined Marv's business-- 694 00:38:36,193 --> 00:38:38,403 The town didn't do anything to shut him down, 695 00:38:38,487 --> 00:38:41,114 He still had access to his property. 696 00:38:41,198 --> 00:38:44,368 Marv just on his own decided to completely shut down his muffler shop 697 00:38:44,451 --> 00:38:46,078 and put it all up to auction. 698 00:38:47,621 --> 00:38:51,333 [Marv] You know, God has his timing, his plans made out. 699 00:38:51,917 --> 00:38:53,961 And it looks like it's going to be 700 00:38:54,044 --> 00:38:56,380 because the one thing that I have wanted to do 701 00:38:56,463 --> 00:38:59,550 is get caught. I had hoped that somebody would catch me 702 00:38:59,633 --> 00:39:01,593 and that this whole thing would stop. 703 00:39:02,177 --> 00:39:04,388 And that would be a good sign for me not to do it. 704 00:39:06,515 --> 00:39:08,851 [Brower] So Marv conducted the auction of all the materials 705 00:39:08,934 --> 00:39:11,728 relating to his shop. Included in the items 706 00:39:11,812 --> 00:39:14,147 he was gonna auction was this dozer. 707 00:39:14,898 --> 00:39:17,734 [Marv] This Komatsu was in excellent condition. 708 00:39:17,818 --> 00:39:21,947 I was willing at the auction to take 33,000 for it. 709 00:39:22,573 --> 00:39:26,034 Couldn't get a bid, so I kept the dozer. 710 00:39:26,660 --> 00:39:30,455 And it also is unique how I had five things 711 00:39:30,539 --> 00:39:32,958 at the auction and they sold. 712 00:39:33,667 --> 00:39:35,377 But what two things did I keep? 713 00:39:35,961 --> 00:39:39,006 The Komatsu dozer and the property. 714 00:39:39,089 --> 00:39:41,258 If they would have bought it at that auction 715 00:39:41,341 --> 00:39:45,262 of 450,000, I would have walked away, 716 00:39:46,138 --> 00:39:48,765 but there wasn't one bid. 717 00:39:50,183 --> 00:39:52,311 So stop and think about this: 718 00:39:53,061 --> 00:39:56,356 I wasn't supposed to walk away from this 719 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,192 because the Komatsu was still there. 720 00:40:06,617 --> 00:40:09,202 [Trisha] You know I had quit smoking for nine years 721 00:40:09,286 --> 00:40:11,538 and I'd become this closet smoker, you know. 722 00:40:11,622 --> 00:40:14,041 I'd sneak them, which is ridiculous, I know. 723 00:40:14,124 --> 00:40:17,002 And he, uh, he didn't like that 724 00:40:18,003 --> 00:40:20,172 and we got into an argument about it. 725 00:40:20,255 --> 00:40:22,341 That's when things went downhill, 726 00:40:23,550 --> 00:40:25,552 and then we quit seeing each other. 727 00:40:26,386 --> 00:40:30,015 It was maybe easier to, to break it up, you know. 728 00:40:32,392 --> 00:40:36,480 I don't know the details, but just him talking about her, 729 00:40:38,398 --> 00:40:42,110 he was very in love with her. I knew that. 730 00:40:42,194 --> 00:40:45,155 [man] Is it possible that he felt stronger about you than you did him? 731 00:40:53,121 --> 00:40:55,958 [Brower] Marv was still perplexed about what to do with his property. 732 00:40:56,041 --> 00:40:59,419 Travis Busse and his partner were owners of the trash company. 733 00:40:59,503 --> 00:41:02,547 They had negotiated with Marv to lease his two acres 734 00:41:02,631 --> 00:41:05,300 as a staging point for their trucks. 735 00:41:05,384 --> 00:41:09,262 And I was trying to look for an area where it was more commercial, 736 00:41:09,346 --> 00:41:12,432 than I could actually have a garage that I could keep my trucks in the winter. 737 00:41:12,516 --> 00:41:15,394 He had the perfect building right there in town. 738 00:41:15,477 --> 00:41:19,314 [Marv] What was unique is I find out that the dozer 739 00:41:19,398 --> 00:41:21,775 is two inches shorter 740 00:41:21,858 --> 00:41:23,110 than 12 feet, 741 00:41:23,193 --> 00:41:24,945 one inch narrower 742 00:41:25,028 --> 00:41:26,363 than the door, 743 00:41:26,446 --> 00:41:28,573 So I said let's put it inside 744 00:41:28,657 --> 00:41:30,450 because then I can build it 745 00:41:30,534 --> 00:41:32,577 to do what I am supposed to do. 746 00:41:33,704 --> 00:41:36,915 The Komatsu just barely fit through the door. 747 00:41:38,709 --> 00:41:43,380 [Marv] Why did that particular dozer fit in the building? 748 00:41:44,423 --> 00:41:48,635 Why had I not bought one of the D9s at that Fresno auction. 749 00:41:49,511 --> 00:41:53,432 So, so I'm thinking, "Well, this is good. I get it inside, now I can build it. 750 00:41:54,725 --> 00:41:56,393 Must be what I'm supposed to do." 751 00:42:00,147 --> 00:42:02,190 At that time, we were getting bigger 752 00:42:02,274 --> 00:42:05,193 and we needed a place to where we could call home. 753 00:42:05,277 --> 00:42:08,697 [Brower] Travis finally offered Marv $400,000 754 00:42:08,780 --> 00:42:11,283 and Marv agreed to sell the land to them 755 00:42:11,366 --> 00:42:14,828 for that amount. Sure enough, I think it was even within 24 hours, 756 00:42:14,911 --> 00:42:17,497 Travis had water and sewer hooked up to the property. 757 00:42:17,622 --> 00:42:20,834 [Travis] We bought it all and he basically back rented from us 758 00:42:20,917 --> 00:42:23,253 the building that he put the dozer in. 759 00:42:23,837 --> 00:42:27,758 [Marv] And this will be the first time that I've ever done something like that 760 00:42:27,841 --> 00:42:30,635 the way they want it to be done, the way they do it, 761 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,514 to do it in secret, to do things behind their back, 762 00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:36,933 to lie to you. I've had to do that. 763 00:42:37,017 --> 00:42:40,062 People'd ask me what am I doing? Oh, I'm not doin' anything. 764 00:42:40,145 --> 00:42:43,982 [laughs] I spent 2003 in that friggin' building, 765 00:42:44,066 --> 00:42:48,361 lived there without a shower for as much as four days at a time, 766 00:42:48,445 --> 00:42:52,032 working on that dozer, getting it prepared. 767 00:42:52,115 --> 00:42:54,409 [Brower] Marv built a little sleeping area, 768 00:42:54,493 --> 00:42:57,537 complete with cot, TV, hotplate, water, 769 00:42:58,205 --> 00:43:01,750 so that he could basically work 24/7 on the dozer. 770 00:43:03,251 --> 00:43:05,921 He ended up bringing in all the sheets of steel into the shed. 771 00:43:06,004 --> 00:43:09,216 He had torches in the shed. He had all kinds of tools in the shed. 772 00:43:10,926 --> 00:43:16,765 He built a lift which could lift large, heavy things, mainly sheets of steel. 773 00:43:16,848 --> 00:43:20,227 It actually lifted 'em up and held 'em in place while he welded 'em in place. 774 00:43:20,310 --> 00:43:24,815 [McClelland] It was 1/2-inch steel. He had spacers that he put in, 775 00:43:24,898 --> 00:43:28,193 so he had two layers of steel plate. 776 00:43:28,276 --> 00:43:31,071 And he poured concrete down in between them. 777 00:43:31,154 --> 00:43:34,074 [Travis] And then lifted the outer shell of that dozer. 778 00:43:34,157 --> 00:43:36,451 So that made it a super fortified gap. 779 00:43:37,327 --> 00:43:40,247 He was working on it at night, sleeping during the day, so, 780 00:43:40,330 --> 00:43:44,668 but you'd think somebody would've known what was going on down there. But, evidently... 781 00:43:45,669 --> 00:43:49,089 [Brower] And he put in surveillance cameras on the outside of the shed, 782 00:43:49,172 --> 00:43:51,800 hooked up to monitors he had on inside of the shed. 783 00:43:51,883 --> 00:43:54,344 I think he kind of watched us and our schedule, 784 00:43:54,427 --> 00:43:57,681 so he knew that basically when we left at five or six at night 785 00:43:57,764 --> 00:43:59,808 he was free to work and make noise. 786 00:44:01,935 --> 00:44:04,938 [Marv] I don't understand. I guess I'm a dumb, I'm a dumb person. 787 00:44:05,021 --> 00:44:08,275 I'm not as witty as some. I'm not as sharp as some. 788 00:44:09,943 --> 00:44:12,612 I don't know that that's the backbone of America though. 789 00:44:13,363 --> 00:44:16,116 I don't know what the backbone of America is anymore. 790 00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:18,243 I did my buying that property-- 791 00:44:18,326 --> 00:44:21,580 You are so mistaken about the real world. 792 00:44:21,663 --> 00:44:25,167 You know, you can call it revenge... I don't know. 793 00:44:25,792 --> 00:44:28,003 Maybe what happened here, 794 00:44:29,254 --> 00:44:31,131 maybe you'll remember that. 795 00:44:31,214 --> 00:44:34,759 Marv knew he was gonna be spending long periods of time 796 00:44:34,843 --> 00:44:38,471 in the shed, and he had in there a little small video collection 797 00:44:38,555 --> 00:44:41,266 that he could watch. One of the movies he had in there 798 00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:43,727 was a Vin Diesel film, called A Man Apart. 799 00:44:43,810 --> 00:44:47,939 The hero of the movie loses his wife to a gang of criminals. 800 00:44:48,023 --> 00:44:50,775 He takes the law into his own hands, goes out there, 801 00:44:50,859 --> 00:44:54,779 shoots up the bad guys, and the movie ends with him alone, 802 00:44:54,863 --> 00:44:58,533 but he has somehow redeemed and purified the corrupt society. 803 00:45:00,452 --> 00:45:03,038 When we purchased the property, we had to have insurance on every building, 804 00:45:03,121 --> 00:45:06,082 so we had to actually do a walkthrough through that building. 805 00:45:07,167 --> 00:45:12,297 [Marv] Last fall I had this dozer about half done. 806 00:45:12,380 --> 00:45:15,091 Had the dozer covered up with these polypropylene tarps, 807 00:45:16,009 --> 00:45:18,970 so these guys come in. "Oh, wow, what's this?" 808 00:45:19,054 --> 00:45:21,681 I made up this story. I said this professor 809 00:45:21,765 --> 00:45:24,184 was perfecting a cooling system 810 00:45:24,267 --> 00:45:26,937 which would cool the air and increase 811 00:45:27,020 --> 00:45:29,648 the performance of the engine. 812 00:45:30,690 --> 00:45:33,109 I had this whole bullshit story 813 00:45:33,193 --> 00:45:35,528 and they went along with it. And I couldn't believe it 814 00:45:35,612 --> 00:45:37,489 when they walked out the door. 815 00:45:37,572 --> 00:45:40,408 It was right there under their nose. 816 00:45:40,492 --> 00:45:42,994 How come they didn't catch me? 817 00:45:43,078 --> 00:45:45,872 Well, I wasn't supposed to get caught! 818 00:45:47,791 --> 00:45:50,418 God built me to be here to prove to you 819 00:45:50,502 --> 00:45:52,337 that what you have been doing 820 00:45:52,420 --> 00:45:54,506 for God knows how many years 821 00:45:54,589 --> 00:45:55,840 is wrong. 822 00:45:57,300 --> 00:45:59,719 You picked on the wrong man. 823 00:45:59,844 --> 00:46:01,054 I'm not tough. 824 00:46:01,888 --> 00:46:03,807 I'm not that strong. 825 00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:06,559 What I am going to do is above me, 826 00:46:07,185 --> 00:46:10,021 and God gave me that peace years ago 827 00:46:10,105 --> 00:46:13,316 in that hot tub. I had to do this. 828 00:46:13,942 --> 00:46:16,403 That I could not do it without God's help 829 00:46:17,153 --> 00:46:21,741 that it was his strength that would spur me on 830 00:46:21,866 --> 00:46:26,288 at 51 and 52 years old to get this job done 831 00:46:26,913 --> 00:46:29,082 at the pace that I could do it. 832 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,461 I believe that is why he gave me last winter off. 833 00:46:40,135 --> 00:46:42,595 He says, "Marv, you're not gonna get it done, 834 00:46:42,679 --> 00:46:44,931 go take off this winter, go play." 835 00:46:45,015 --> 00:46:47,267 It was wintertime, I'm not gonna be here. 836 00:46:47,350 --> 00:46:50,186 Everything's sold. I don't have a muffler shop anymore. 837 00:46:50,270 --> 00:46:51,563 I'm gonna go snowmobiling. 838 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,505 [Brower] Marv actually really did succeed in Granby. 839 00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:20,550 He bought that property for $42,000. 840 00:47:20,633 --> 00:47:24,596 He was able to sell it ten years later for $400,000. 841 00:47:26,097 --> 00:47:29,225 And, in fact, that was the very thing he had been trying to do all along. 842 00:47:31,311 --> 00:47:33,271 Marv says in his own tapes 843 00:47:33,355 --> 00:47:35,482 that his muffler business was successful. 844 00:47:35,565 --> 00:47:38,401 It gave him an opportunity to do what he wanted to do in life, 845 00:47:38,485 --> 00:47:42,238 to enjoy his snowmobiling and still have money so he could live. 846 00:47:47,702 --> 00:47:50,663 [Marv] But you've got to do this. You've got to get this done. 847 00:47:50,747 --> 00:47:52,999 And that was my goal so to speak, 848 00:47:53,083 --> 00:47:54,918 take the winter off, relax, 849 00:47:55,001 --> 00:47:57,337 you know, maybe something would come up 850 00:47:57,420 --> 00:47:58,797 to change my mind. 851 00:48:06,596 --> 00:48:10,642 [Brower] In March of 2004, Marv's father dies. 852 00:48:12,018 --> 00:48:14,521 Marv did go up to the funeral. 853 00:48:15,438 --> 00:48:16,398 He took photos. 854 00:48:17,524 --> 00:48:19,692 In the photos you see family members. 855 00:48:19,776 --> 00:48:22,612 You see photos of Marv's father in the casket. 856 00:48:23,863 --> 00:48:26,366 Included was a selfie that Marv took 857 00:48:26,991 --> 00:48:30,370 outside the family farm there in South Dakota. 858 00:48:31,454 --> 00:48:34,457 And it's a mournful, sad-looking photo. 859 00:48:35,375 --> 00:48:38,128 A look of resignation is on Marv's face. 860 00:48:38,211 --> 00:48:41,089 It's almost as if he's saying, "I know what I am gonna do 861 00:48:41,172 --> 00:48:44,217 and I'm not happy about it. And this is my last look at my home." 862 00:48:45,593 --> 00:48:48,721 But before that, Marv had given all the proceeds 863 00:48:48,805 --> 00:48:50,765 from the sale of the lot 864 00:48:50,849 --> 00:48:54,644 and of all of his material and equipment to his father. 865 00:48:55,562 --> 00:48:57,981 [Marv] You know, it's gone. Now money means nothing to me. 866 00:48:58,064 --> 00:48:59,858 I've given my house away. 867 00:48:59,941 --> 00:49:02,193 I do not need this cabin here in Grand Lake. 868 00:49:03,069 --> 00:49:05,488 My snowmobiles, I've given those away this year. 869 00:49:05,572 --> 00:49:07,866 Everything is gone. 870 00:49:08,533 --> 00:49:11,953 What I own is just gonna be a pittance 871 00:49:12,579 --> 00:49:14,539 compared to what I am going to take. 872 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,754 [McClelland] Marv transferred the sale proceeds from his bank 873 00:49:21,838 --> 00:49:24,883 in $50,000 increments. 874 00:49:24,966 --> 00:49:28,052 Prior to his father's passing, 875 00:49:28,136 --> 00:49:32,307 his father conveyed those sale proceeds 876 00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:35,602 to Marv's two brothers and sister. 877 00:49:35,685 --> 00:49:38,730 [Brower] By giving them to his father and willing all that 878 00:49:38,813 --> 00:49:40,565 to the other members of the family, 879 00:49:40,648 --> 00:49:42,817 it was one big step removed from Marv 880 00:49:42,901 --> 00:49:45,945 so that when the time came to try to get resources 881 00:49:46,070 --> 00:49:49,115 back from Marv to reimburse people who had lost, 882 00:49:49,741 --> 00:49:51,701 uh, it was near impossible. 883 00:49:53,828 --> 00:49:57,957 [Marv] This is Tape 3. It's about 10:05 on, uh, 884 00:49:58,041 --> 00:50:00,168 the 13th of April 2004. 885 00:50:01,336 --> 00:50:03,171 And I want to say that I believe 886 00:50:03,254 --> 00:50:05,215 that I am an American patriot. 887 00:50:05,924 --> 00:50:08,092 I believe in free enterprise system. 888 00:50:08,718 --> 00:50:11,846 I believe in a level playing field of competition. 889 00:50:12,555 --> 00:50:15,433 If you want to change that level playing field 890 00:50:15,517 --> 00:50:18,645 of competition to your advantage, basically, 891 00:50:18,728 --> 00:50:22,524 you give me license to do that also 892 00:50:22,607 --> 00:50:24,567 when my opportunity comes around 893 00:50:25,235 --> 00:50:27,987 because you are the leaders of the community. 894 00:50:28,071 --> 00:50:30,740 Through your actions, you show the community 895 00:50:30,823 --> 00:50:32,992 how things are supposed to be done. 896 00:50:33,868 --> 00:50:37,747 You have given me license through your example 897 00:50:37,830 --> 00:50:40,124 to do what I need to do. 898 00:50:40,208 --> 00:50:44,963 When I do this, that levels the playing field in my favor, 899 00:50:45,046 --> 00:50:47,590 so now we've got a lopsided playing field 900 00:50:47,674 --> 00:50:49,926 because when I come back at you, 901 00:50:51,219 --> 00:50:54,264 I'm gonna destroy your side of the playing field. 902 00:51:07,944 --> 00:51:12,282 He wanted everybody to hear what he felt about what happened to him, 903 00:51:12,865 --> 00:51:15,743 but I won't even listen to 'em, you know. 904 00:51:15,827 --> 00:51:19,581 I listened a little bit and I said, "Nah, I don't need to listen to this," you know. 905 00:51:20,331 --> 00:51:24,502 He told me in his roundabout way through life, you know. 906 00:51:25,795 --> 00:51:26,713 Lonely man. 907 00:51:27,797 --> 00:51:29,632 He would just spend too much time alone. 908 00:51:30,550 --> 00:51:32,176 That's what I put it onto. 909 00:51:33,303 --> 00:51:35,722 He spent too much time in hot tub alone. 910 00:51:41,394 --> 00:51:44,147 [Trisha] At the time I went to work for a dentist 911 00:51:45,565 --> 00:51:48,109 we ended up doing a crown prep on Marv 912 00:51:49,027 --> 00:51:51,696 and he was to come back that actual Friday 913 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,741 and seat the permanent crown. 914 00:51:54,824 --> 00:51:58,453 I said, "Marv, you need to get the hell out of Grand County," 915 00:51:58,536 --> 00:52:02,040 I remember it vividly. And he gave me a big hug and he said, "Trish..." 916 00:52:03,583 --> 00:52:06,461 He said, "You are the best thing that ever happened to me in Grand County." 917 00:52:06,544 --> 00:52:08,546 I just remember that so vividly. 918 00:52:09,422 --> 00:52:13,426 And... you know, he was gonna do this thing three weeks later. 919 00:52:13,509 --> 00:52:17,805 He already had it planned, you know, so nuts to think about that. 920 00:52:17,889 --> 00:52:21,184 And I would never have guessed. You know, he seemed like 921 00:52:21,267 --> 00:52:25,021 it was so great to see him and, and it was great to have a hug, 922 00:52:25,104 --> 00:52:26,230 you know. 923 00:52:31,194 --> 00:52:33,988 I went snowmobiling with Marv a month before it happened, 924 00:52:35,073 --> 00:52:37,992 early May on Vail Pass, just he and I. 925 00:52:38,660 --> 00:52:40,912 We had plans of going again in June 926 00:52:40,995 --> 00:52:42,413 just to say we did it. 927 00:52:43,247 --> 00:52:45,124 And these are future plans. 928 00:52:45,249 --> 00:52:47,293 He wasn't done. 929 00:52:49,504 --> 00:52:51,964 And he spent a couple of weeks in Florida with some friends. 930 00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:56,678 He talked about it on the way to Vail. 931 00:52:56,761 --> 00:52:58,680 He said they're gonna get what's coming to 'em. 932 00:53:13,361 --> 00:53:16,906 [Marv] So here we are and I am at peace with what I am about to do. 933 00:53:17,865 --> 00:53:21,911 People will think, "Why did he do that? He had such a good life. 934 00:53:21,994 --> 00:53:23,830 He had a better life than me anyway." 935 00:53:24,831 --> 00:53:26,582 It's not what I deserve. 936 00:53:27,333 --> 00:53:29,335 You meddled in my business 937 00:53:29,419 --> 00:53:31,838 and took what I deserve away. 938 00:53:31,921 --> 00:53:34,465 You took advantage of my good nature. 939 00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:36,968 Well, I think there's something you should learn here. 940 00:53:37,552 --> 00:53:39,429 For as good as a man can be, 941 00:53:39,512 --> 00:53:41,097 also can he be as bad. 942 00:53:42,056 --> 00:53:45,309 When you visit evil upon someone, 943 00:53:45,393 --> 00:53:48,020 be assured it will revisit you. 944 00:53:49,439 --> 00:53:51,899 The Thompsons are guilty. 945 00:53:51,983 --> 00:53:54,444 The Docheffs are guilty. 946 00:53:54,527 --> 00:53:57,697 The Granby Town Board is guilty. 947 00:53:57,780 --> 00:54:01,284 The Granby Planning Commission is guilty. 948 00:54:02,201 --> 00:54:04,203 It took all of you 949 00:54:04,328 --> 00:54:07,039 ten years to get me. 950 00:54:07,123 --> 00:54:09,167 You got me, no doubt about it. 951 00:54:09,250 --> 00:54:11,085 I got screwed big time. 952 00:54:12,462 --> 00:54:13,880 Enough is enough. 953 00:54:14,881 --> 00:54:16,758 I have been beaten to a point 954 00:54:16,841 --> 00:54:19,260 where I'm not gonna take it anymore. 955 00:54:20,386 --> 00:54:22,638 But I don't think that's what God had planned for me, 956 00:54:22,722 --> 00:54:26,392 and he expects me to do something to those 957 00:54:26,476 --> 00:54:30,354 who kept me now from getting what I deserve. 958 00:54:31,147 --> 00:54:33,691 God's will be done through me. 959 00:54:41,491 --> 00:54:44,952 You were cowards in the way that you dealt with me. 960 00:54:46,204 --> 00:54:48,956 You all along were thinking that I was the person 961 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,000 that needed to be taught a lesson. 962 00:54:52,668 --> 00:54:58,049 You were going to show me how it worked in Granby, Colorado. 963 00:54:58,132 --> 00:55:00,635 How the real world worked. 964 00:55:04,305 --> 00:55:07,850 You people needed to be taught a lesson. 965 00:55:28,871 --> 00:55:31,040 [crash] 966 00:55:33,626 --> 00:55:37,213 [dramatic music] 967 00:55:54,313 --> 00:55:56,399 [phone dialling] 968 00:55:57,233 --> 00:56:00,653 - 911, what is your emergency? - This is Sherry at the trash company. 969 00:56:00,736 --> 00:56:04,866 And there is a bulldozer over at Mountain Park Concrete destroying their building. 970 00:56:04,949 --> 00:56:09,620 -It's destroying the building? Is anyone on it? -Yeah, it's encased in metal 971 00:56:09,704 --> 00:56:11,914 and you can't see who's driving or anything. 972 00:56:11,998 --> 00:56:13,374 And they can't get it to stop. 973 00:56:25,052 --> 00:56:29,015 - 911, what's your emergency? - Hi, Sherry at the trash company again. It is headed 974 00:56:29,098 --> 00:56:32,351 - for their main building now. - It's headed for the main building, okay. 975 00:56:32,476 --> 00:56:35,062 Cody had grabbed a handgun from one of his workers. 976 00:56:39,775 --> 00:56:42,695 He takes the gun up and bang, bang. 977 00:56:42,778 --> 00:56:45,531 Not only is the diesel engine screaming 978 00:56:45,615 --> 00:56:48,451 as it's pushing the dozer, but the treads, 979 00:56:48,534 --> 00:56:51,746 they're creaking and scraping as the roar of the engine, 980 00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:54,957 then there's just the sound of crash and ruin, 981 00:56:55,041 --> 00:56:57,376 because he's really knocking all these walls down. 982 00:56:57,501 --> 00:57:01,339 [Larry Thompson] The tracks are probably the most memorable thing. 983 00:57:01,422 --> 00:57:05,176 Our goal was to get the heaviest thing we could pack by hand, 984 00:57:05,259 --> 00:57:07,803 because if you can get tangled up in some steel 985 00:57:07,887 --> 00:57:09,639 you're gonna stop that track. 986 00:57:09,722 --> 00:57:12,808 We got a big piece of angle iron off 987 00:57:12,892 --> 00:57:14,810 of Cody Docheff's steel rack, 988 00:57:14,894 --> 00:57:18,397 it's probably 1/2-inch diameter, so it was really heavy. 989 00:57:19,857 --> 00:57:24,153 Our intentions was to try to lodge that into the tracks 990 00:57:24,236 --> 00:57:26,697 and get it tangled up so it'd break the track. 991 00:57:27,865 --> 00:57:28,908 That didn't work. 992 00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:55,059 Over radio] We have an armored, a very armored situation and it's getting closer. 993 00:57:55,142 --> 00:57:57,979 [woman] 301, I copy, there's an armored bulldozer tearing down the building. 994 00:57:58,062 --> 00:57:59,397 There are several deputies in route. 995 00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:00,940 At the time of the call, 996 00:58:01,023 --> 00:58:03,442 which was about a quarter after two 997 00:58:03,567 --> 00:58:06,529 in the afternoon, I was approximately a mile away. 998 00:58:06,612 --> 00:58:08,739 I pulled up and stopped my car, 999 00:58:08,823 --> 00:58:12,618 and there's a bulldozer that doesn't completely look 1000 00:58:12,702 --> 00:58:16,414 like a bulldozer anymore. I had grabbed a shotgun and 1001 00:58:16,497 --> 00:58:19,291 ran towards the bulldozer. I'm yelling, 1002 00:58:19,375 --> 00:58:23,045 I am ordering it to stop. It backs away from the building, 1003 00:58:23,129 --> 00:58:26,590 and a frontend loader approaches it. 1004 00:58:26,674 --> 00:58:30,344 And I see the frontend loader is being operated by Cody Docheff. 1005 00:58:30,428 --> 00:58:33,014 I told Cody, "Get the biggest loader you got 1006 00:58:33,097 --> 00:58:36,308 and see if you can get underneath his track to uplift him." 1007 00:58:36,392 --> 00:58:39,979 And Cody did. He backed up with a big loader and hit him. 1008 00:58:40,062 --> 00:58:43,649 [Brower] So he takes his frontend loader and slams into the side of him. 1009 00:58:53,951 --> 00:58:57,455 [Kraker] And all it did was lift the back of the frontend loader up. 1010 00:59:14,055 --> 00:59:19,435 It shook him hard enough that I think that's when Marv started letting out the rounds. 1011 00:59:19,518 --> 00:59:22,772 [Busse] Marv had a 50-caliber rifle pointed out the back. 1012 00:59:22,855 --> 00:59:25,649 He shot numerous rounds into Cody's bucket. 1013 00:59:25,733 --> 00:59:30,237 [over radio] We have shots fired. We have automatic weapons in the bulldozer. 1014 00:59:35,743 --> 00:59:38,370 [Brower] Luckily, all the rounds hit in the bucket. 1015 00:59:38,454 --> 00:59:41,082 Cody figures out where he is and he's not hit. He's okay. 1016 00:59:41,165 --> 00:59:43,626 And he backs up and he thinks, "What am I gonna do now?" 1017 00:59:43,709 --> 00:59:46,962 Shortly after that, Cody realized that that was too much. He was done. 1018 00:59:47,046 --> 00:59:50,674 That's when the officers started surrounding the place. 1019 00:59:50,758 --> 00:59:54,428 [Kraker] And I transitioned from a shotgun to an M-4 rifle. 1020 00:59:54,512 --> 00:59:58,432 And about that time I was joined by a state trooper, Dave Patera. 1021 00:59:59,850 --> 01:00:02,937 [Brower] At first, Cody speculated that there's not a human being in there 1022 01:00:03,020 --> 01:00:05,356 it's being run by radio controls. 1023 01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:23,082 [Brower] The dozer's continuing its damage. It's going in and out of the building, 1024 01:00:23,165 --> 01:00:25,876 slamming into this huge concrete batch plant, 1025 01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,380 essentially, knocking down all the sidewalls, just destroying it. 1026 01:00:29,463 --> 01:00:32,258 Well, at this point there's more police on the scene. 1027 01:00:32,341 --> 01:00:34,844 [over radio] Okay, I'm gonna pull right up behind him... 1028 01:00:34,927 --> 01:00:37,471 I'll go back around over the ditch on foot. 1029 01:00:37,555 --> 01:00:39,890 [Garner] I came in on the west side of the batch plant, 1030 01:00:39,974 --> 01:00:42,351 bailed out of the vehicle, pulled my rifle out. 1031 01:00:42,434 --> 01:00:45,479 And I could hear the squeaking of the tracks 1032 01:00:45,563 --> 01:00:49,108 and the roaring of the engine, the banging into the building, 1033 01:00:49,191 --> 01:00:51,193 but I still didn't see anything. 1034 01:00:51,277 --> 01:00:54,113 Once I got close to the building around skirting 1035 01:00:54,196 --> 01:00:57,324 an irrigation ditch, Marv come around the building 1036 01:00:57,408 --> 01:01:00,995 in that bulldozer and that's when I got my first look of it. 1037 01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:04,707 I don't know, I expected to see a bulldozer. 1038 01:01:04,790 --> 01:01:06,083 It looks like a tank. 1039 01:01:06,709 --> 01:01:11,422 There's this huge black monstrosity. 1040 01:01:11,505 --> 01:01:15,801 I mean almost like a WWI big boxy, rumbly tank. 1041 01:01:16,385 --> 01:01:19,763 And then the next thing you're thinking is, "how, how do you attack 1042 01:01:19,847 --> 01:01:22,558 something like this? How do I stop this?" 1043 01:01:22,641 --> 01:01:26,103 When I arrived on scene, I could hear the bulldozer operating. 1044 01:01:26,187 --> 01:01:30,441 I walked around my vehicle and saw this absolute behemoth. 1045 01:01:31,609 --> 01:01:34,820 Sergeant Rich Garner was our designated marksman. 1046 01:01:34,904 --> 01:01:38,908 I just started shooting, trying to aim for what looked like a viewport. 1047 01:01:38,991 --> 01:01:41,869 We made the decision to begin firing at the small portholes 1048 01:01:41,952 --> 01:01:44,496 that we could see in the side of this bulldozer 1049 01:01:44,580 --> 01:01:49,001 but they were maybe two inches by four inches at the very most. 1050 01:01:49,084 --> 01:01:52,296 What I didn't know was that these portholes 1051 01:01:52,379 --> 01:01:55,382 were covered with two sheets of 1/2-inch Lexan, 1052 01:01:55,466 --> 01:01:58,093 which had me wondering how he was actually driving this thing. 1053 01:01:58,177 --> 01:02:01,388 Garner stands there and takes a few shots at the dozer. 1054 01:02:01,472 --> 01:02:03,557 Then all of a sudden bang, bang. 1055 01:02:03,641 --> 01:02:05,684 I had two rounds go right by my head 1056 01:02:05,809 --> 01:02:08,646 and I was like, "Oh, I know what that noise is." 1057 01:02:09,605 --> 01:02:13,108 [Brower] Marv fired his weapons and he fired at a bunch of cops 1058 01:02:13,192 --> 01:02:15,694 that were standing behind a wall of jersey barriers. 1059 01:02:15,778 --> 01:02:17,863 [Garner] You know as we started firing 1060 01:02:17,947 --> 01:02:20,491 of course, the rounds were having absolutely no effect 1061 01:02:20,574 --> 01:02:22,993 he saw three state troopers behind 1062 01:02:23,077 --> 01:02:25,996 a stack of jersey barriers that were next to the building. 1063 01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,041 [over radio] Watch out. The guy's gonna come over here with a bulldozer. 1064 01:02:29,124 --> 01:02:31,877 [Garner] Instead of just going by them, he turned 1065 01:02:31,961 --> 01:02:34,255 and drove directly at those Jersey barriers. 1066 01:02:35,339 --> 01:02:38,133 [over radio] Come over. Go, run! Come over. Come over. 1067 01:02:41,178 --> 01:02:45,140 If those troopers hadn't moved, he'd have probably killed all three of them. 1068 01:02:48,310 --> 01:02:51,939 He started proceeding eastbound through the parking lot 1069 01:02:52,022 --> 01:02:55,985 and the construction area. I had parked my vehicle on the south side of the building. 1070 01:02:57,778 --> 01:03:01,115 [Garner] At that time, Marv moved back around to the south side of the building, 1071 01:03:01,198 --> 01:03:04,702 and Glenn Trainor's unmarked vehicle was over there. 1072 01:03:04,785 --> 01:03:07,288 He put the blade up against that and started pushing it. 1073 01:03:07,371 --> 01:03:09,540 He kept pushing it sideways, sideways. Well, then 1074 01:03:09,623 --> 01:03:11,917 it caught the rims on the wheels and actually 1075 01:03:12,001 --> 01:03:14,336 stopped it and started flipping over. 1076 01:03:14,420 --> 01:03:16,213 He rolled over the top of it. 1077 01:03:18,299 --> 01:03:21,176 [Trainor] As he was heading towards the highway, 1078 01:03:21,260 --> 01:03:23,721 somebody notified me on the radio that the person 1079 01:03:23,804 --> 01:03:26,432 operating the bulldozer was Marvin Heemeyer. 1080 01:03:26,515 --> 01:03:29,768 He was not gonna stop at just the concrete plant. 1081 01:03:29,852 --> 01:03:31,437 [dramatic music] 1082 01:03:38,527 --> 01:03:42,573 [Marv] I don't think that just knowing what I am doing is enough. 1083 01:03:42,656 --> 01:03:44,783 I think God will bless me. 1084 01:03:44,908 --> 01:03:47,578 You get the machine done, you drive it 1085 01:03:48,245 --> 01:03:51,498 to do the stuff that I have to do up to a point. 1086 01:03:51,582 --> 01:03:54,668 Then you're either gonna blow me right off the fucking streets, 1087 01:03:55,919 --> 01:03:59,381 I'm gonna have a heart attack and die, the machine's gonna break, 1088 01:03:59,465 --> 01:04:02,718 or maybe, maybe it'll go all day and I'll run out of fuel. 1089 01:04:02,801 --> 01:04:05,429 I've got a lot of fuel in that thing, let me tell you, 1090 01:04:06,263 --> 01:04:08,724 to do what I believe needs to be done, 1091 01:04:08,807 --> 01:04:11,143 what God has inspired me to do. 1092 01:04:12,394 --> 01:04:14,438 I am the co-captain in my life. 1093 01:04:14,521 --> 01:04:16,732 God is first, I am second. 1094 01:04:16,815 --> 01:04:18,942 You have tried to control my life. 1095 01:04:19,026 --> 01:04:21,820 You have tried to be the captain of my life. 1096 01:04:21,945 --> 01:04:24,365 You do not run my life. 1097 01:04:24,448 --> 01:04:27,117 You do not determine what I desire, 1098 01:04:27,201 --> 01:04:29,661 what I want, what I deserve. 1099 01:04:29,745 --> 01:04:32,790 I determine that and my God determines that. 1100 01:04:32,873 --> 01:04:36,418 Not you people. No people do that. 1101 01:04:36,502 --> 01:04:39,838 If they do, then you're a slave to them. 1102 01:04:39,963 --> 01:04:42,216 I am not a slave to man. 1103 01:04:43,217 --> 01:04:45,260 I am a slave to God. 1104 01:05:06,407 --> 01:05:09,952 [Trainor] As he was heading towards the highway I began sending 1105 01:05:10,035 --> 01:05:13,288 notifications having my deputies and supervisors 1106 01:05:13,372 --> 01:05:15,666 go out and begin evacuating the town. 1107 01:05:15,749 --> 01:05:19,920 That's when Glenn decided he was gonna try to get up on top it. 1108 01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,801 [Trainor] I got the idea to climb up and see if I could actually gain entry. 1109 01:05:25,884 --> 01:05:29,555 [Garner] So he's clinging up and we start running along with him, 1110 01:05:29,638 --> 01:05:31,432 trying to cover him. 1111 01:05:31,515 --> 01:05:33,308 [Trainor] I was expecting to see, you know, 1112 01:05:33,392 --> 01:05:35,269 something with a handle that I could pull up 1113 01:05:35,352 --> 01:05:38,522 and open. And there was absolutely nothing. 1114 01:05:38,605 --> 01:05:42,526 You know, it was solid sheet metal from the front to the back. 1115 01:05:42,609 --> 01:05:44,987 The only thing I did see up there 1116 01:05:45,070 --> 01:05:47,364 was there was some kind of a vent 1117 01:05:47,448 --> 01:05:50,784 where it looked like there was like an RV air conditioner. 1118 01:05:50,868 --> 01:05:54,455 He takes his pistol out and starts trying to shoot into 1119 01:05:54,538 --> 01:05:57,458 some gaps where the air conditioner was. Of course, it does no good. 1120 01:05:57,541 --> 01:06:02,045 Then, he's up there and he's just riding along on this thing. 1121 01:06:02,129 --> 01:06:04,882 So then we started coming up with maybe getting some flashbangs. 1122 01:06:04,965 --> 01:06:08,469 [over radio] I brought some flashbangs if anybody needs 'em, this is 35. 1123 01:06:08,552 --> 01:06:11,346 [Garner] I'm throwing up these flashbangs and Glenn's pulling 1124 01:06:11,430 --> 01:06:13,265 the pin on 'em and dumping 'em down the exhaust. 1125 01:06:13,348 --> 01:06:14,725 - Of course, they're going off. - [explosion] 1126 01:06:14,808 --> 01:06:17,144 Whoo, big cloud of smoke 1127 01:06:17,227 --> 01:06:19,146 and everything come out. No effect. 1128 01:06:21,940 --> 01:06:25,152 [Kraker] It moves out of the immediate little industrial area, 1129 01:06:25,235 --> 01:06:28,405 and the next building that it hits is Mountain Parks Electric. 1130 01:06:28,489 --> 01:06:30,365 [Broady] At the time of my tenure on the board, 1131 01:06:30,449 --> 01:06:32,284 I worked at Mountain Parks Electric, 1132 01:06:32,367 --> 01:06:34,745 so I don't know if there was some interplay there. 1133 01:06:34,828 --> 01:06:37,539 [Trainor] He spent several minutes just going in, 1134 01:06:37,623 --> 01:06:41,084 doing the damage, backing out, going in, backing out, 1135 01:06:41,168 --> 01:06:43,879 the entire time of which I am sitting up there, watching 1136 01:06:43,962 --> 01:06:47,132 this going on, knowing all along that he was on his way 1137 01:06:47,216 --> 01:06:49,968 to the Granby Town Hall. That was the next place he went. 1138 01:06:50,093 --> 01:06:52,429 [over radio] Let's get a hold of Granby Town Hall. 1139 01:06:52,513 --> 01:06:55,224 Start moving away everything over that way... 1140 01:06:55,307 --> 01:06:57,476 [Trainor] And that the town hall was upstairs, 1141 01:06:57,559 --> 01:07:00,687 but our public library was downstairs in the same building. 1142 01:07:00,771 --> 01:07:03,982 And there were kids and other people inside the library. 1143 01:07:04,107 --> 01:07:05,692 Midday, I had my lunch break. 1144 01:07:05,776 --> 01:07:08,862 I did start hearing um, what I thought-- 1145 01:07:08,946 --> 01:07:10,531 I mean, it sounded like gunfire. 1146 01:07:10,614 --> 01:07:12,908 And then I started seeing police cars, 1147 01:07:12,991 --> 01:07:15,494 like flying by at high rates of speed. 1148 01:07:15,577 --> 01:07:17,996 I started hearing sirens. I was hearing more gunfire. 1149 01:07:18,121 --> 01:07:20,707 And at that point, I decided to go back to the library. 1150 01:07:20,791 --> 01:07:24,378 We issued a directive to have a reverse 911 call 1151 01:07:24,461 --> 01:07:27,422 sent out to the community to shelter in place. 1152 01:07:27,506 --> 01:07:30,884 Because after the first one, we were just thinking barricade everyone inside, 1153 01:07:30,968 --> 01:07:33,178 not knowing that we were the target, 1154 01:07:33,262 --> 01:07:35,097 that there was a bulldozer heading right there. 1155 01:07:35,180 --> 01:07:38,141 And then shortly after that we got another call, 1156 01:07:38,225 --> 01:07:42,145 a 911 reverse call. They were telling everyone, "Evacuate your building now." 1157 01:07:42,229 --> 01:07:47,568 It took me until that moment to realize that my 11-year-old daughter 1158 01:07:47,651 --> 01:07:50,487 was in the basement of that building in the library. 1159 01:07:50,571 --> 01:07:53,949 [over radio] Okay, he's going east all the way to Napa. 1160 01:07:54,032 --> 01:07:57,202 [Trainor] The bulldozer came out onto the highway and pulled off, 1161 01:07:57,286 --> 01:08:00,539 and drove right into the lawn area of the town hall. 1162 01:08:00,622 --> 01:08:04,543 Well, I elected to get off at that point and did jump down. 1163 01:08:04,626 --> 01:08:08,297 [Brower] Marv works his way up around. He goes around the back of the town hall, 1164 01:08:08,380 --> 01:08:10,632 destroying the children's playground in the process, 1165 01:08:10,716 --> 01:08:13,260 turning all the little jungle gyms and swing sets 1166 01:08:13,343 --> 01:08:16,888 into just curled and twisted spaghetti in the backyard there. 1167 01:08:16,972 --> 01:08:20,475 [Riley] But we did gather up the kids and then we drove them all to their houses, 1168 01:08:20,559 --> 01:08:23,895 We got there, turned the radio on, and as soon we turned it on, 1169 01:08:23,979 --> 01:08:28,692 within seconds we heard the radio announcer say that he had just bulldozed town hall. 1170 01:08:29,484 --> 01:08:32,821 The dozer methodically tore apart town hall. 1171 01:08:32,904 --> 01:08:39,536 [over radio] Everybody now, needs to move... [indistinct] Go for three to three. 1172 01:08:39,620 --> 01:08:44,041 [Garner] From the town hall it went back out to Main Street. 1173 01:08:44,124 --> 01:08:46,627 [Trainor] We had this rolling roadblock out in front of him, 1174 01:08:46,710 --> 01:08:49,713 the patrol units and then behind him as well. 1175 01:08:49,796 --> 01:08:52,424 Somewhere during that time, Norm Rimmer shows up 1176 01:08:52,507 --> 01:08:55,594 and he sees this camera sticking out the back. 1177 01:08:55,677 --> 01:08:58,263 Then we start looking around and we see another one. 1178 01:08:58,347 --> 01:09:02,392 That's when we figured out that's how he was steering it, was using the cameras. 1179 01:09:02,476 --> 01:09:06,438 Marv placed around the outside of the dozer, five cameras. 1180 01:09:06,521 --> 01:09:09,608 He had them mounted to three monitors inside the tank, 1181 01:09:09,691 --> 01:09:12,736 so he had views of the back, front, and the sides. 1182 01:09:12,819 --> 01:09:16,114 He actually thought ahead enough that there would be debris 1183 01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:19,326 and dust, so he rigged up all these little hoses 1184 01:09:19,409 --> 01:09:21,912 to a compressed air tank that's in the cab, 1185 01:09:21,995 --> 01:09:23,872 and he was able to open the compressed air 1186 01:09:23,955 --> 01:09:26,750 to blow dust and debris in front of his Lexan, 1187 01:09:26,833 --> 01:09:28,418 so he could still see where he was going. 1188 01:09:28,502 --> 01:09:30,754 [Kraker] As it's going down the highway, 1189 01:09:30,837 --> 01:09:32,506 more and more law enforcement officers 1190 01:09:32,589 --> 01:09:34,508 were showing up, people coming from home. 1191 01:09:34,591 --> 01:09:37,678 I started hearing gunfire and sirens from my home, 1192 01:09:37,761 --> 01:09:40,639 so I got my police radio started and I listening to the traffic 1193 01:09:40,722 --> 01:09:44,267 and I heard officers describing being shot at 1194 01:09:44,351 --> 01:09:47,396 and something about a bulldozer knocking buildings down. 1195 01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:50,941 I thought the best thing to do at the time was to grab my camcorder, 1196 01:09:51,024 --> 01:09:55,112 so I followed him around until he got to, uh, Sky-Hi News. 1197 01:09:55,195 --> 01:09:58,699 [over radio] This guy may possibly be going after Patrick Brower. 1198 01:09:58,782 --> 01:10:03,120 [Brower] It was a regular news day. We were working when one of the sheriff's deputies 1199 01:10:03,203 --> 01:10:06,081 tells me, "Get out of here! You're on the list." I said, "What?" 1200 01:10:06,164 --> 01:10:10,585 He then leaves the building. There's this large kinda gray, dark monolith 1201 01:10:10,669 --> 01:10:13,797 driving down the road with two police cars on either side. 1202 01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:17,384 Right when he gets by the front of the building he just takes a sharp right turn. 1203 01:10:17,467 --> 01:10:20,595 The ground starts to shake. You could hear the creaking of the treads. 1204 01:10:20,679 --> 01:10:22,597 And we were inside the building here. 1205 01:10:22,681 --> 01:10:25,058 And blam! Knocks down the front wall of the building. 1206 01:10:25,142 --> 01:10:27,018 [crash] 1207 01:10:31,022 --> 01:10:32,858 [dramatic music] 1208 01:10:35,986 --> 01:10:40,323 [Trainor] Patrick and one of his reporters are leaving out the back of the building 1209 01:10:40,407 --> 01:10:42,701 as Marv is driving through the front of the building. 1210 01:10:42,784 --> 01:10:45,579 [Brower] The ground is literally shaking under your feet. 1211 01:10:45,662 --> 01:10:48,540 It's 85 tons of it just rolling, impervious. 1212 01:10:48,623 --> 01:10:51,376 Well, we immediately start running out the back. 1213 01:10:51,460 --> 01:10:53,879 Marv continues to take the dozer back 1214 01:10:53,962 --> 01:10:56,506 and smashes into the front of the building. He works his way around. 1215 01:10:57,132 --> 01:11:00,135 [Piechocki] He just kept backing up, knocking cars out of his way 1216 01:11:00,218 --> 01:11:03,513 taking a hit at the building and backing up again, taking another hit at it. 1217 01:11:03,597 --> 01:11:06,475 [Brower] Literally, the ceiling's caving in all around us. 1218 01:11:06,558 --> 01:11:08,560 I ran out the backdoor with my camera around my neck, 1219 01:11:08,643 --> 01:11:10,395 and run up the side of the building. 1220 01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:12,898 There's a sheriff's deputy with a shotgun. 1221 01:11:12,981 --> 01:11:15,066 I snap off a panicked photo, 1222 01:11:15,150 --> 01:11:18,153 then I started hearing gunfire. I hear a few whizzes 1223 01:11:18,236 --> 01:11:20,739 over my head and I think, "This is stupid. I'm getting out of here." 1224 01:11:20,822 --> 01:11:23,158 [over radio] I'm coming. Get people out of there! 1225 01:11:23,241 --> 01:11:26,912 And then finally the entire building just collapsing around itself. 1226 01:11:26,995 --> 01:11:30,165 - [indistinct radio chatter] - [crash] 1227 01:11:31,917 --> 01:11:38,757 - [indistinct radio chatter] - [gunshots] 1228 01:11:40,091 --> 01:11:43,428 [Piechocki] There was a lot of metal on metal screeching going on, 1229 01:11:43,512 --> 01:11:46,181 especially when he's pushing cars out of the way. 1230 01:11:46,264 --> 01:11:49,476 There was a lot of screeching noises from the treads 1231 01:11:51,353 --> 01:11:53,855 and it was just kind of overwhelming, you know, 1232 01:11:53,939 --> 01:11:57,609 looking at and realizing, you know, I don't have a way of stopping this. 1233 01:11:57,692 --> 01:12:00,237 - None of us had a way of stopping it. - [police sirens] 1234 01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:04,241 [Larry Thompson] The dozer goes down to the east end of town. 1235 01:12:04,324 --> 01:12:07,869 They knew that we were on the hit list, so they hurried up up here 1236 01:12:07,953 --> 01:12:11,164 and we came across the flats up here behind the town shop. 1237 01:12:11,248 --> 01:12:13,625 And the county cop stopped us. 1238 01:12:14,334 --> 01:12:16,586 He says, "You're not going any farther. We go, "Yeah, we are. 1239 01:12:16,670 --> 01:12:18,421 You can get your ass down here and arrest me at home 1240 01:12:18,505 --> 01:12:20,507 if you want to, but we're going down the hill." 1241 01:12:21,216 --> 01:12:23,885 [over radio] That's the Thompson residence. The bulldozer's headed there. 1242 01:12:23,969 --> 01:12:27,013 We need to have everybody evacuated out of the Thompsons' residence. 1243 01:12:28,098 --> 01:12:31,476 [Kraker] There's a little house owned by Thompsons 1244 01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:32,811 and their mother lives there. 1245 01:12:32,894 --> 01:12:34,271 I called her and she thought 1246 01:12:34,354 --> 01:12:35,605 I was joking with her. I said, 1247 01:12:35,689 --> 01:12:37,482 "You needed to get in the car, 1248 01:12:37,566 --> 01:12:39,317 just drive out of town. Just get out of it." 1249 01:12:39,985 --> 01:12:42,696 [Garner] Marvin Heemeyer is around Thompsons' shop. 1250 01:12:42,779 --> 01:12:44,698 The chief of Kremmling PD showed up. 1251 01:12:44,781 --> 01:12:46,658 He rolls his window down and said, 1252 01:12:46,741 --> 01:12:48,869 "Hey, Rich, I got a surprise for you." 1253 01:12:48,952 --> 01:12:53,290 In the backseat is this big, huge 50-cal silhouette gun. 1254 01:12:53,373 --> 01:12:56,543 And I picked up the gun and I let loose with it. 1255 01:13:07,095 --> 01:13:08,471 No effect. 1256 01:13:09,806 --> 01:13:13,184 [Larry Thompson] It came down the backstreet here, knocked some trees down. 1257 01:13:13,810 --> 01:13:17,022 [Kraker] The dozer ran right through the house. 1258 01:13:17,105 --> 01:13:18,773 It completely leveled the house. 1259 01:13:19,524 --> 01:13:21,151 [Gary Thompson] She did get out safely. 1260 01:13:21,234 --> 01:13:22,986 My only concern was her. 1261 01:13:23,069 --> 01:13:24,821 Thelma Thompson was asleep 1262 01:13:24,905 --> 01:13:27,240 in the house only 30 minutes before Marv 1263 01:13:27,324 --> 01:13:29,200 completely destroyed their home. 1264 01:13:29,910 --> 01:13:32,746 [Kraker] It started to destroy a construction yard 1265 01:13:32,829 --> 01:13:34,873 that's owned by Thompson & Sons, 1266 01:13:34,956 --> 01:13:37,584 systematically destroying that area. 1267 01:13:41,671 --> 01:13:43,924 [Larry Thompson] And then he turned and came over to the shop here 1268 01:13:44,007 --> 01:13:46,760 we had a lowboy trailer sitting out here, and he shoved it 1269 01:13:46,843 --> 01:13:49,012 through the wall. Then he went down the street down here 1270 01:13:49,095 --> 01:13:50,972 and tipped over another semitrailer we had. 1271 01:13:51,056 --> 01:13:52,891 He flat laid it over on its side, 1272 01:13:52,974 --> 01:13:55,560 full of truck parts. Then he went around 1273 01:13:55,644 --> 01:13:58,730 in front of her house and shoved the Xcel Energy pickup 1274 01:13:58,813 --> 01:14:00,857 through our rental building. 1275 01:14:04,778 --> 01:14:08,198 Meanwhile, this whole ridge is up here was just covered with people, 1276 01:14:08,281 --> 01:14:13,787 following him through town, watching what he was doing like a circus. 1277 01:14:13,870 --> 01:14:16,665 Then after that it looked like a war zone out here. 1278 01:14:16,748 --> 01:14:19,960 All the helicopters flying around and all the news trucks showing up. 1279 01:14:20,043 --> 01:14:23,088 And that's when he headed off down the hill, went down to Independent Gas. 1280 01:14:23,713 --> 01:14:26,675 [over radio] Hey, would you make a general broadcast all units 1281 01:14:26,758 --> 01:14:30,929 should evacuate at least a thousand feet 1282 01:14:31,012 --> 01:14:33,974 back from the propane tanks at Independent Gas. 1283 01:14:35,350 --> 01:14:37,143 [Piechocki] I was on top of the hill looking down on that. 1284 01:14:37,227 --> 01:14:39,187 All I saw was rows and rows 1285 01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:41,231 of propane tanks of various sizes. 1286 01:14:41,314 --> 01:14:43,566 You know we're not talking camping propane, 1287 01:14:43,650 --> 01:14:47,404 we're talking about, you know, industrial-size propane tanks, 1288 01:14:47,487 --> 01:14:51,032 If you're standing in the farm, looking up the hill, 1289 01:14:51,116 --> 01:14:54,035 you can see a senior citizens' home, 1290 01:14:54,119 --> 01:14:56,579 a trailer park, private residences. 1291 01:14:56,663 --> 01:15:00,792 There were a lot of homes, a lot of people in a blast area. 1292 01:15:00,875 --> 01:15:05,005 Well, Marv was by the propane, shooting at the tanks. 1293 01:15:05,088 --> 01:15:07,799 [over radio] Move back! He's shooting at the tanks! Move back! 1294 01:15:07,882 --> 01:15:10,135 He was using incendiary rounds, 1295 01:15:10,218 --> 01:15:12,595 so they made kind of a flash and a puff of smoke. 1296 01:15:12,679 --> 01:15:14,597 [over radio] He's shooting at the propane. 1297 01:15:14,681 --> 01:15:17,017 [gunshots] 1298 01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,561 Piechoki] One of those bullets could easily hit 1299 01:15:19,644 --> 01:15:22,230 a propane tank and ignite it immediately. 1300 01:15:22,313 --> 01:15:24,482 There would have been a lot of damage using these things 1301 01:15:24,607 --> 01:15:27,235 flying through the air, landing on homes. 1302 01:15:27,318 --> 01:15:30,947 [over radio] ...he's got a 50-cal, he's trying to take out the tanks 1303 01:15:31,031 --> 01:15:33,992 and transformers-- at Independent Propane at this time. 1304 01:15:34,075 --> 01:15:38,455 [Piechocki] He had a ripper on the backend of the bulldozer. 1305 01:15:38,538 --> 01:15:42,459 And when he would try to maneuver it to get the barrel of the gun 1306 01:15:42,542 --> 01:15:46,129 pointing towards the propane tanks, 1307 01:15:46,212 --> 01:15:50,508 the ripper was digging into the ground and not going down far enough 1308 01:15:50,633 --> 01:15:53,928 to allow his armor to get out of the way. 1309 01:15:54,012 --> 01:15:57,432 And the 50-caliber was hitting his own armor. 1310 01:15:57,515 --> 01:16:00,935 You can see the shells hitting the armor and bursting 1311 01:16:01,019 --> 01:16:04,647 into a puff of smoke and flame when they hit his own armor. 1312 01:16:05,398 --> 01:16:09,194 [Trainor] While one of his bullets did penetrate the power transformer, 1313 01:16:09,277 --> 01:16:12,030 none of 'em penetrated the actual propane tanks. 1314 01:16:12,113 --> 01:16:15,283 [man 1 over radio] Granby PD also be advised, Federal Heights is going to be in route 1315 01:16:15,366 --> 01:16:17,410 with their Peacekeeper on its flatbed. 1316 01:16:17,494 --> 01:16:19,621 It'll take about two hours, Summit County is also 1317 01:16:19,704 --> 01:16:22,791 -en route with a SWAT team. [man 2] Ask them to help us get 1318 01:16:22,874 --> 01:16:25,210 the National Guard units in here, 1319 01:16:25,293 --> 01:16:28,171 maybe with a helicopter to stop this unit. 1320 01:16:28,254 --> 01:16:31,299 [man 1] You need a National Guard unit and a helicopter? 1321 01:16:32,801 --> 01:16:37,138 [man 2] Yeah, the uh, the Air National Guard or Army National Guard, 1322 01:16:37,222 --> 01:16:40,725 uh, either out of Laramie or out of Eagles. 1323 01:16:40,809 --> 01:16:43,394 And then that's when the county scraper tried to stop him. 1324 01:16:43,478 --> 01:16:46,022 [over radio] Yeah, I'm gonna try to bring the scrapers down Highway 40. 1325 01:16:46,106 --> 01:16:47,941 We wanna know where they need to go. 1326 01:16:48,024 --> 01:16:50,026 [Trainor] We had asked for a bulldozer from 1327 01:16:50,110 --> 01:16:52,570 our road and bridge department. The director 1328 01:16:52,654 --> 01:16:55,406 of Grand County Road and Bridge was Clark Branstetter. 1329 01:16:55,490 --> 01:16:57,450 [over radio] Branstetter on Road and Bridge, I've got 1330 01:16:57,534 --> 01:16:59,536 a scraper inside of where the A&W used to be 1331 01:16:59,619 --> 01:17:02,247 on 40, where do you want me to put this? 1332 01:17:02,330 --> 01:17:04,833 [Trainor] What he did do is bring in two big earthmovers 1333 01:17:04,916 --> 01:17:06,918 or scrapers from the landfill. 1334 01:17:07,001 --> 01:17:09,879 [over radio] Let's get him up here just as fast as we can. 1335 01:17:09,963 --> 01:17:13,550 [Trainor] Clark Branstetter actually tried to stop the bulldozer 1336 01:17:13,633 --> 01:17:16,261 at the top of the hill, going back up onto the highway. 1337 01:17:16,344 --> 01:17:19,389 [over radio] ...contact the station, we have a giant tractor 1338 01:17:19,472 --> 01:17:22,392 that is completely armored with iron running over 1339 01:17:22,475 --> 01:17:26,271 all vital components, including the compartment with only complex. 1340 01:17:26,354 --> 01:17:31,067 He can fire out of firing way. The driver is completely enclosed with no entrance. 1341 01:17:31,151 --> 01:17:34,988 [man 1] Get him back! Stop him! -[man 2] I can't, he's got a dozer. 1342 01:17:35,071 --> 01:17:40,118 [indistinct radio chatter] 1343 01:17:41,369 --> 01:17:45,206 [Trainor] The bulldozer just basically moved the scraper just right out of the way. 1344 01:17:45,290 --> 01:17:48,209 [over radio]... He's going out towards the highway! 1345 01:17:48,293 --> 01:17:51,296 [Trainor] He went back up the hill, back on to Main Street again. 1346 01:17:51,379 --> 01:17:55,675 [over radio] We're at 4th and Main, and 4th and Agate now. 1347 01:17:57,218 --> 01:18:01,431 Somewhere right in that timeframe it appears that he loses all his antifreeze. 1348 01:18:01,514 --> 01:18:04,809 There's a big white puff of what would be the antifreeze 1349 01:18:04,893 --> 01:18:07,604 hitting hot metal components from the engine 1350 01:18:07,687 --> 01:18:10,231 and there's a lot of white smoke. 1351 01:18:10,315 --> 01:18:13,234 [over radio] Copy, vehicle smoking heavily at 4th and Agate. 1352 01:18:14,319 --> 01:18:17,864 [Trainor] He damaged copycat printers a bit while he's positioning 1353 01:18:17,947 --> 01:18:21,701 to get his bulldozer facing towards the Gambles store. 1354 01:18:22,327 --> 01:18:26,331 [Farrell] He said, "Oh, he's headed for Gambles". Oh, I don't remember how the verbiage was. 1355 01:18:26,414 --> 01:18:29,417 And I just, my stomach went like, just like a ball. 1356 01:18:29,500 --> 01:18:34,505 Just clinched because I knew my life was gonna be completely different. 1357 01:18:34,589 --> 01:18:37,675 The engine of the bulldozer began overheating. 1358 01:18:44,515 --> 01:18:47,852 [Broady] I was across the street, watching as it came up the street, 1359 01:18:47,936 --> 01:18:53,691 and then watched as it turned in to go down the side of the Gambles store. 1360 01:18:53,775 --> 01:18:56,402 You can also tell that he's starting to lose power at this time. 1361 01:19:00,740 --> 01:19:05,703 And then it starts methodically just tearing apart that Gambles store. 1362 01:19:16,214 --> 01:19:20,510 [over radio] Here 33, Ft. Collins is en route with a SWAT team and an armored vehicle. 1363 01:19:21,761 --> 01:19:25,598 All units, Grand, too, we need you to move back towards the east. 1364 01:19:25,682 --> 01:19:27,934 Once again start blocking traffic. 1365 01:19:28,851 --> 01:19:31,020 [Trainor] He begins going down the side of it, basically, 1366 01:19:31,104 --> 01:19:33,273 trying to rip the entire side of the building off. 1367 01:19:35,191 --> 01:19:37,735 [Broady] The county had gotten a belly scraper out. 1368 01:19:38,945 --> 01:19:41,823 They pulled that in behind to block his way. 1369 01:19:45,285 --> 01:19:49,038 Having worked in the Gambles store I knew what a lot of people didn't know, 1370 01:19:49,122 --> 01:19:51,040 and that's that there was a basement in there. 1371 01:19:54,794 --> 01:19:58,214 [Piechocki] So he took a run at Gambles, not realizing 1372 01:19:58,298 --> 01:20:01,592 that the right hand side track would go into the basement 1373 01:20:01,676 --> 01:20:04,387 and that left him stuck, unable to move. 1374 01:20:10,977 --> 01:20:13,479 [Garner] This is the first time he's actually stopped, 1375 01:20:13,563 --> 01:20:15,898 and the machine shut down. 1376 01:20:15,982 --> 01:20:18,985 [engine turns off] 1377 01:20:19,652 --> 01:20:22,071 [Garner] But we don't know what he's doing, 1378 01:20:22,155 --> 01:20:23,406 so we pulled everybody back. 1379 01:20:24,282 --> 01:20:25,742 [over radio] Can you confirm your location? 1380 01:20:26,326 --> 01:20:27,952 Right now the dozer is at Gambles 1381 01:20:28,036 --> 01:20:29,495 or what used to be Gambles. 1382 01:20:31,789 --> 01:20:37,003 One of the radio transmissions at the time is, "Get ready for a gunfight." It was... 1383 01:20:37,628 --> 01:20:41,632 where else are we going with this? It just figures we've gone this far, 1384 01:20:41,716 --> 01:20:44,677 now it's, you know, does somebody pop out of it? 1385 01:20:44,761 --> 01:20:47,013 Does it just fire from its position? 1386 01:20:47,096 --> 01:20:49,349 - [lighter strikes] - [suspense music] 1387 01:21:00,568 --> 01:21:03,279 -[over radio] We need a Grand 24... -[Kraker] We started to pair up 1388 01:21:03,363 --> 01:21:05,490 people and get some tactical advantage. 1389 01:21:05,573 --> 01:21:10,203 - [indistinct radio chatter] - [police sirens] 1390 01:21:10,286 --> 01:21:12,789 [over radio] You need to go down to Mountain Parks Concrete 1391 01:21:12,872 --> 01:21:15,083 and help secure that bridge down there. 1392 01:21:15,166 --> 01:21:16,959 [slow music] 1393 01:21:32,308 --> 01:21:34,143 [Broady] And it was a short time after that 1394 01:21:37,397 --> 01:21:38,773 a gunshot was heard. 1395 01:21:38,856 --> 01:21:40,149 [gunshot] 1396 01:21:47,156 --> 01:21:49,575 [Trainor] A couple of sheriff's deputies actually got on top of it 1397 01:21:50,159 --> 01:21:54,205 and were trying to figure out if there was something they could do, some way they could get in. 1398 01:21:54,288 --> 01:21:56,874 You know they had the same luck that I had, which is none. 1399 01:21:57,959 --> 01:22:00,878 [Kraker] Some SWAT teams came up from other jurisdictions 1400 01:22:01,003 --> 01:22:04,841 and attempted to breach the bulldozer with an explosive charge. 1401 01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:10,388 And they started blasting on the dozer. 1402 01:22:10,471 --> 01:22:14,100 All that did was put a, a stain on the side of it. 1403 01:22:14,183 --> 01:22:16,060 When they triggered that explosive device 1404 01:22:16,144 --> 01:22:17,854 it rattled the windows in my house. 1405 01:22:17,937 --> 01:22:20,565 It was a tremendous, tremendous explosion. 1406 01:22:21,649 --> 01:22:23,693 [Reed] It didn't even dent the thing. 1407 01:22:23,776 --> 01:22:27,071 When the second blast happened, they still didn't get in. 1408 01:22:27,947 --> 01:22:30,366 They said, "If he's not already dead he is now." 1409 01:22:31,492 --> 01:22:34,245 And they basically just brought a cutting torch up 1410 01:22:34,328 --> 01:22:39,584 and cut off the access point to this air conditioning unit. 1411 01:22:41,043 --> 01:22:46,174 Entry was finally gained some time in the midmorning of the 5th. 1412 01:22:46,966 --> 01:22:48,759 [slow music] 1413 01:23:02,273 --> 01:23:05,776 [Piechocki] Afterwards, we learned that he put the 357 1414 01:23:05,860 --> 01:23:09,238 into the roof of his mouth and then pulled the trigger. 1415 01:23:09,322 --> 01:23:12,200 [over radio] All the cars' working perimeters, everybody is still okay. 1416 01:23:13,075 --> 01:23:15,411 No response means everybody's okay. 1417 01:23:28,549 --> 01:23:30,343 [Trisha] We all rode the sleds up 1418 01:23:31,469 --> 01:23:34,472 and let his ashes fly away. 1419 01:23:57,036 --> 01:23:58,204 [slow music] 1420 01:24:01,165 --> 01:24:04,293 [Larry Thompson] Everybody couldn't wait to get that dozer cut up, scrap it. 1421 01:24:04,377 --> 01:24:07,630 I think they made a big mistake by not making a museum out of the thing. 1422 01:24:07,713 --> 01:24:10,800 That'd made this town a ton of money, a ton of money. 1423 01:24:12,301 --> 01:24:14,303 [Piechocki] They went to Blair's Machine Shop. 1424 01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:19,225 He torched the thing into small pieces 1425 01:24:19,308 --> 01:24:24,063 and disposed of the scrap steel so that no one person could get a hold of it 1426 01:24:25,314 --> 01:24:28,067 and say, "Here's my shrine to Marv." 1427 01:24:33,364 --> 01:24:35,533 [Marv] This tape's probably got a lot of emotion in it, 1428 01:24:35,616 --> 01:24:39,453 and, uh, anybody listening to it, you know, you need to... 1429 01:24:40,371 --> 01:24:42,623 uh... realize that. 1430 01:24:43,874 --> 01:24:47,795 And just take it from there, you know. 1431 01:24:47,878 --> 01:24:51,632 Anyway, hey, I hope you all have a great time and good life. 1432 01:24:51,716 --> 01:24:56,554 I've had a great life. And I'm gonna put this tape 1433 01:24:56,637 --> 01:24:58,514 and tape recorder in a plastic bag 1434 01:24:58,598 --> 01:25:01,309 for somebody else to try to figure it out. 1435 01:25:02,393 --> 01:25:03,644 Well, see you later. 1436 01:25:05,187 --> 01:25:06,647 [slow music] 120235

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