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[suspense music]
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[phone dialling]
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[woman]
911, what is your emergency?
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[man over radio]
Ask them to help us
get a National Guard unit.
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[indistinct radio chatter]
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[man over radio]
Maybe with a helicopter to us.
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Let's get over
to Granby Town Hall!
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We need a National Guard
unit and a helicopter.
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-...through the trees, he's
going up towards the fire hole.
- Get him blocked. Stop him!
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...or Army National Guard,
need a whole lot of people...
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- [crash]
- [man] Oh, no!
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[Marv] Hello,
my name is Marvin Heemeyer.
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Today is April 13th, 2004.
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This tape is about my life
since I came up here in 1991.
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I am making this tape--
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Really didn't think
it would make any difference
if I didn't make it,
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but a good friend of mine
said I should make it.
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Uh, he said I should sit down
in front of a videotape machine
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and do it, but you're just
gonna have to take my word,
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this is Marv Heemeyer,
serial number 503-68-9471.
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I wanna say right now,
God bless me in advance
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for the task
that I am about to undertake.
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Marv Heemeyer,
he was from South Dakota
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and, uh, he served
in the Air Force.
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He realized that he had
a knack for welding,
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working on engines, and motors.
He was stationed in Colorado
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and decided
to stay in Colorado when he
got out of the Air Force.
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[Marv] I moved up here
in the Fall in 1991
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to kind of take
a six-month vacation.
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I decided that, you know,
I probably ought to buy
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some property up here
to have something to do,
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so I, uh, looked
at this tree lot,
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with two little cabins, where
I'm living in here right now.
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And had a beautiful view.
The place was really cheap,
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so I bought them.
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[Brower]
He worked at a muffler shop.
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Moved up very quickly
in the business.
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At some point he just decided,
"Heck, I can do this myself,"
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and he went out and setup
his own muffler shops.
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He was able to have income
from businesses that
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he had started
mostly in Northern Denver
and Boulder area.
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[Marv]
You know, if you got a champagne
income with a beer keg,
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you're gonna do well.
And that's what I've always had.
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Always believed that's
the way it should be.
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That's the only way
I could get ahead.
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I'm sure
he counted pennies in every
endeavor he ever undertook,
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and he wanted to run businesses
well so that they succeeded.
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And I think he cared
about his craft.
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[Trainor]
I knew of Marv Heemeyer
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because he ran
a muffler shop in Granby.
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He did a lot of great work
for people,
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ran that muffler shop
for a lot of years.
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Uh, I even had work done
at his shop.
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He had a reputation as being
the best welder around.
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We put this truck together
and the box was bouncing.
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I took it down there and said,
"Hey, Marv, what do you think?"
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And he said,
"Oh, I can fix that."
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And he grabbed his welder
and he ju-ju-ju, you know,
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it was done. Never broke,
never-- I mean, the guy
was a hell of a welder.
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He had a great reputation
in the town.
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I mean, he was an outdoorsman.
He loved to snowmobile.
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I didn't ever meet
anybody who disliked him.
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[Marv] I call it successful.
I think I was
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a very poor person
most of my life,
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but I--f--for who I was
and th--where I,
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what I was, I think
I was a very rich man.
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And I am thankful to God
for giving me that life.
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[Trisha Macdonald] I met Marvin
in the Lariat Saloon
in Grand Lake.
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I was there with a friend.
He came in and he asked me out.
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I had not dated in
five years, you know.
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My marriage had split up
and, um,
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but for some reason um,
I said yes and
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we went out and started seeing
each other for several years.
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He's old--
he was old school to me.
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You know,
men aren't-- people-- society
doesn't allow that anymore.
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You know, he's a handshake's
a handshake kind of guy to me.
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I mean, he was confident
and I thought he was handsome.
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And he was larger than life.
You know, I felt safe with him.
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It's kind of personal,
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but he was the first man
that I was intimate with
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after my marriage.
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He was wonderful to me.
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He only met my children once,
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and he never had children,
as you know.
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But we did
quite a few road trips together
and never a dull moment.
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[Brower]
Marv loved to snowmobile.
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Ah, the Thursday group.
Every Thursday they'd take
the day off and go ride.
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Sometimes you'd have four guys,
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sometimes you'd have 24 riders.
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Just a great bunch of guys
to go out and ride with.
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Little Matty was the youngest,
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[Reed] When I started riding
with Marv and the Thursday crew,
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I was 16 years old.
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And these guys were 40, 50.
I couldn't drink with them.
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I couldn't do any of that stuff.
I had to go home to Mom
and answer to Mom still.
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Marv was in some respects,
he took me under his wing.
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He helped teach me how
to snowmobile,
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work on snowmobiles.
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He was always a mentor
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and always helped, always gave.
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He was my best friend. I looked
at him as my bigger brother.
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I let Marv lead
unless it was someplace
I knew better than him.
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[Marv] That's where
we came from over there.
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This is here,
where we're supposed to be,
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and that's where Stu went,
way over there! [laughs]
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[Reed] Marv made glove dryers.
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We had a Marv grill.
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Marv would take stock steel,
bend it,
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custom to every machine.
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You weren't a snowmobiler
in Grand Lake unless you had
a Marv bumper.
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[Spencer] It would take
down four-inch trees,
five-inch trees
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and you'd just keep going.
That was a Marv bumper.
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[Trisha]
Yeah, he was the king, yeah.
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[Reed] If he got beat
by anybody on the mountain
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that was the last time
he got beat by that person.
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[Trisha]
He bought me my own Polaris
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that he taught me
how to get off trail
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and when in doubt, gas it.
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[Marv]
It's a kind of a community that
in order for you to get ahead,
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you have to keep
the neighbor down. It's not...
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you know, building yourself up
on your own merit,
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it's tear the other guy down.
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Grand County definitely at one
time was the Wild, Wild West.
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We've modernized it
from [indistinct],
but it is not uncommon
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at all in the wintertime
to have two weeks straight
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where the temperature
doesn't get above 10 degrees.
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[Farrell] You have to be
a little more independent,
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a little more
willing to do without.
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You have to like small towns.
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You kind of live
in a fishbowl to some extent
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because your neighbors
kind of know your business
a little more
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than they would be in the city.
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[Brower]
That can cause conflict.
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[Marv] After a few months
of living here I happen
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to cross a piece of property
down there in Granby,
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and this was about a month
before they were gonna have
this FDIC auction.
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[Trainor] Marv originally
bought the property
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that he was on
in a public auction.
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They were selling
FDIC-foreclosed properties.
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[Marv] Three thousand
square foot building
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and it had two
acres of ground.
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They had a bid for $35,000
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from some guy upfront.
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So, finally, they caught
my bid, so I got--
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The guy bid for 40.
And this other guy
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jumped up on a chair.
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I come to find out his name
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was Cody Docheff.
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[Brower] Cody Docheff
is the owner
of Mountain Park Concrete.
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The Docheffs were looking
for land upon which to put
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this concrete operation
with an indoor batch plant.
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Docheff also showed up
with Gus Harris.
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[Marv] Gus Harris was his buddy
there, sitting beside him.
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Gus was sponsoring the whole
financing on this thing,
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and Gus wasn't gonna pay
more than 50 grand for it
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and I was waiting for him
to bid and he wouldn't bid,
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so I got the property.
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[Brower] Marv says that
after he got the property
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he was accosted by Cody.
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[Marv] This guy
came back there and
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introduced himself to me,
in fact, the rudest,
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most arrogant person.
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I mean, this guy's just
a fucking asshole.
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Come back and just
introduced himself by
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giving me a tongue lashing
for about 10 minutes.
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I mean, this is the only guy
of all the properties
that sold before his,
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that was doing any screaming
at anybody during the auction.
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[Spencer] What I like about it
here is we're in God's country.
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Why live anywhere else?
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But I don't like the way
the county's run.
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There's a good ol' boys club.
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[Brower] When he bought
the property it had
nothing more than just
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a concrete mixer tank
that was holding the sewage.
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[Marv] In the summer of '92,
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they wanted me to be
annexed into the water
and sanitation district,
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so I said, "Great." I just
expected it to go through.
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Ron Thompson was on the board
for the sewer district.
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[Brower] Ron was pretty
outspoken in the board meetings,
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so he may have said things that
upset Marv at that meeting
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and taken a leadership role in
making the decisions they made.
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Well, as it turns out,
the closest sewer main
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was many hundreds of feet
away from Marv's property,
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so in order for Marv
to hook onto that,
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he would have had to build
a long service line
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from his property to the main.
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When he learned that to do
all that was gonna cost him
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anywhere from 60 to 70,
maybe even 80 thousand dollars,
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Marv was upset.
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[Reed] They make you pay
for the installation
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of the sewer line
that you don't want,
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and then you have to still
hook yourself up.
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That's life-changing money.
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[Spencer]
Marv refused to do that.
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I never heard him talk bad
about anybody
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but the people that did him bad,
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the good ol' boys club.
He did not like 'em.
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[Marv] I never had anybody
sit there and plan
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to cut me out
of an opportunity
like the Thompsons did
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when they denied me access
to their sanitation district.
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It doesn't make any sense
other than that
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it was the good ol' boys patting
each other on the back.
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Had they not done that,
I can assure you
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the outcome, the whole thing
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would have been
completely different!
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The Thompson family was what I'd
call a Granby legacy family,
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a wealthy working family
in the Granby area,
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making their money
off of excavation,
but also living off
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the fact that they owned
a lot of the land just because
they'd been here forever.
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The first Thompson clan that
settled in Granby
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actually bought
lodging properties
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and in the course
of that they bought
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little pieces of property
around town.
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The Thompsons formed
their own excavation company.
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Dick Thompson was the son
of the first Thompson family.
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Dick had several children.
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Ron was kind of a,
a leading son in the family.
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Larry was kind
of the older son who helped,
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and Gary went
right along with him
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doing a lot
of the excavation work.
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[Marv]
Gus Harris and Cody Docheff
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and the powers that be,
the Thompsons,
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if they would have left
me alone,
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I wouldn't have had
this righteous anger
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that I have
towards the Thompsons,
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their hierarchy, their attitude
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that they have left in that
community for so many years.
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And so many people think
like they do,
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screw your neighbor.
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[Brower] In Marv's eyes,
the Thompson family
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was the epitome
of the Granby establishment
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that did everything
they could to thwart Marv.
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[Marv] Well, I'm making
lemonade out of lemons,
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you know, I just
kept on about my business
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because this is a small
community and, you know,
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I need to fit in.
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Life was pretty good
and I was making
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a real good income
out of there.
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And in '98, the town went
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and spot-zoned the two acres
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directly south of me,
which is illegal in Colorado.
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And because no one protested it
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within 30 days, it became law
that they could do that.
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And this Docheff guy,
he's gonna sign
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and buy the property
next door to the west of me,
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and has a contract
on it to purchase it.
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And they were going to be able
to put this concrete plant
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right there
next to all those houses,
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downwind of the town.
And Cody's motivation
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was to get back at Marv.
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Well, I find this out too late
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and I be--I was right
in the dust pale
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of this whole operation.
And that wasn't gonna work
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because I didn't want
no frickin' concrete plant
next to me.
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[Broady] There was opposition
to the concrete plant,
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and we heard
we had public hearings.
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Uh, I was acting mayor
because the mayor
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and the mayor pro tem both
had conflicts of interest,
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so I presided
over the public hearings,
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We allowed the public
to come in, and it was
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a packed house.
People spoke for it,
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for the service
the concrete would provide.
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And there was lots of people
that spoke out against it.
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[Brower] Marv Heemeyer
did a great job of arousing
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public sentiment in his favor
against the batch plant,
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He felt that the batch plant
would hurt his business.
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He claimed
that there would be dust,
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that there would be noise, that
there would be excess traffic.
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Who knew what they were going
to do to the water supply.
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He also made that argument
on behalf of people
in the neighborhood.
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Marv got a lot of these
people to show up and,
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basically, say we don't want it,
we don't like it,
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what are you going to do
to our neighborhood?
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They voiced a lot
of the concerns
that Marv was voicing.
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This went on for a series
of three, four, maybe
even five meetings.
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And there'd be discourse and,
and discussion,
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and Cody would jump up
because he was so upset.
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He has, he's a fiery guy.
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The town ultimately approved
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Cody's batch plant down there,
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but with a host of,
of conditions,
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the typical things
that you see.
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I think I read the motion,
the whereas
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and the wherefores
and all that stuff
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to approve the batch plant.
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[Brower] And it was
at that meeting in '99
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where Marv promised
he'd fight 'em
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the whole way.
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[Marv]
In nature, wolves, coyotes,
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they have their territory.
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A mother just--look
at the mother,
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she will fight
to protect her young.
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And a male, a male
will definitely protect
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his territory.
If he doesn't, he'll be overrun.
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Now, if an animal will do this,
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why wouldn't a man?
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[Brower]
In the meantime, the town is
cracking down hard on Marv
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saying there is a serious issue
with your water and sewer.
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He ended up going
to Granby Municipal Court.
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Judge Noriyuki was presiding.
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She said we find you
in violation.
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We're gonna give you
a deferred judgment, however,
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and you can't use
the property for anything
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until you're hooked
up to water and sewer.
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You have to connect,
but 400 feet's a long way.
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There could be a piece
of property in the way
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and in this case
there was: Cody's.
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He needed the easement.
Cody wasn't gonna give him
the easement.
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[McClelland] The town contacts
him and says we're gonna
fine you $100 a day
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because you're operating
a business and you're not
hooked up to the sewer.
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[Brower]
Marv wrote a check to the town,
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and he wrote
on the memo line,
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"Cowards and Liars
Department."
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And to add insult to injury,
they sent it back
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and said
the amount is incorrect.
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Well, this clearly angered Marv.
He shows up at the town hall.
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They kept fining him because
he was an out-of-towner.
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He came up here
and small town...
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[McClelland] In Marv's mind
this was just another example
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of the town
not treating him fairly.
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[Brower] The Docheffs
were moving forward
with their proposal.
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Suddenly Marv
shows up with an attorney
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then he's saying I think that
we've caught you in a mistake.
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The town board was stunned.
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They called an executive
session, kicked everybody out.
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They said, well, we're gonna
put everything on hold
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until we can decide
what we're gonna do.
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[Farrell] The attorney made
us be very
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dot the I's, cross the t's,
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so we wanted to make sure
that whatever we did,
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we were right on the money with.
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[Brower]
They came back and said we're
gonna let them restart
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from square one so that
we can do it right this time.
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As a last ditch effort,
Marv filed a lawsuit
in district court.
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But the Docheffs,
they're serious about building
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this batch plant
as quickly as possible.
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They're moving forward as if
there's not any barrier
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to their progress at all.
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There's heavy equipment
operating
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at the soon-to-be
batch plant site.
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Marv is sitting here
watching all this happening,
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and I think he is
just stewing about it.
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[Marv]
You put yourself in my shoes
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and tell me
how you would feel,
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realizing that you've wasted
10 years of your life
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because of someone's malice.
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[Spencer]
He's putting out money and he's
getting shut down every corner,
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and then it was to nothing.
I don't know how much he spent.
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I know one time he had
150 grand into it.
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And I said, "Well, you shouldn't
have spent that much money
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on these assholes because you
can't fight the government."
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Nine months later, the court
made its ruling on the lawsuit.
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Judge Doucet dismissed
the lawsuit completely.
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Suddenly,
Marv had nobody on his side.
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[Marv] My attorney,
as paid off as he was,
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that's all he was doing
was making money on the deal.
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He didn't care if I win or lose.
As a matter of fact he said
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that he wouldn't appeal it.
I always told him, I says,
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"It's good enough
if we lose to appeal it
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to a higher court."
He though wouldn't do it.
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He would not appeal it.
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You know, they think that I
should have to stay down there
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in Granby. I should have kept
my muffler shop going.
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I should have put up with all
the dust, all the, the snickers.
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You know the--the town council,
I'd pass them in the post office
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and they'd snicker at me
after they knew I lost.
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On the street, Casey Farrell,
what a barbarian.
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He comes across being one
of those good guys.
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He's part of the problem.
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They knew what they were doing.
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They were trying
to run him out of town.
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[Marv] The town had a hard on
for Marv Heemeyer.
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They didn't stop a thing!
Marv didn't have
any malice towards us.
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This is a sign to not do this.
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No, they kept it
in their hardened hearts..,
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and said we'll get him.
They started getting me
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in 1992 when they kept me off
the sanitation district.
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They started getting me when
Gus Harris sold the property
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to Cody Docheff.
They got me when they issued
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the building permit
to Cody Docheff
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for the concrete plant
and denied
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that it was
for the concrete plant.
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Are we all stupid?
Come on, they knew!
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And when I would ask them
these questions--
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But what you won't find
in the minutes,
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they would just shut right up,
stonewall you.
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They didn't have an answer.
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I'd shoot the truth
in their face
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and they couldn't deal
with it. And, and I'm sorry,
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they are going to have
to deal with it.
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I guarantee you I am going
to make them deal with it.
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[Trisha] The battle with
the town of Granby, you know,
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um we talked about it,
but I didn't get that feeling
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that he was so angry.
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No one realized how...
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how... God, distorted
it was becoming to him.
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[Brower]
Marv was feeling defeated,
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humiliated, and at his wit's end
about what he was gonna do.
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He goes out, sits
in his hot tub with a beer
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in his hand,
and has inspiration.
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[Marv] When I was sitting
in the hot tub, and I mean
I was, I was weeping.
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And a peace came over me
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where I knew God
wanted me to do it.
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And I didn't understand.
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I said, "Why did you ask me
to do this?
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Is that why
I've never been married,
so I didn't have a family?
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Is that why I've always
been successful
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so that I would realize
my rewards for doing
this task?"
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But it has to be done.
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And the world
will write stories
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about how wrong I am
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and without a doubt I wish it
could be done a different way
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but there is no way
to make this right.
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You picked on the wrong man!
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[Brower] Cody,
do you remember the first time
you met Marv at that auction?
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There is the difference
of points of view or memory
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about what happened
after Marv got it.
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[Marv]
Cody Docheff, I mean this guy's
just a fucking asshole.
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Come back and just introduced
himself by giving me
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a tongue lashing
for about 10 minutes.
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[Brower] The reason I ask
is that Marv claims that
you guys talked afterwards.
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[Marv] I talked to this guy
forever it seems like,
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and everybody around me, they
couldn't believe this asshole.
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And this is the only guy of all
the properties sold before his
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that was doing any screaming
at anybody during the auction.
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Gus doesn't remember it either.
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[Gus] I uh, I've been a school
bus driver for 50 years.
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Cody has been a good friend
for many, many years.
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We have gone to auctions
together before on times.
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So, Cody went with me
but he had no party
in the-- in the auction.
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00:24:05,949 --> 00:24:10,787
Cody and I sat and listened
to another bid or two.
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00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:13,331
There really wasn't much
of anything happened.
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I don't know
what Marv did. I wasn't paying
any attention to him really.
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And then we just got up
and, and, uh, left. Yeah,
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Cody would maybe be
interested in the property
at a, at a future time,
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but, uh, there was no agreement
or talk between us
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of him owning that property.
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00:24:34,936 --> 00:24:38,898
[Marv] Cody would have been mad
at anybody who would
have bought the property,
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anybody, but, but you gotta go
there with enough money.
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Otherwise you're the problem.
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It's your fault
that this happened, not mine.
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[Brower]
Marv in his tapes, the way
he characterizes the town,
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me and many other people, just
did not reflect what I thought
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was the way those people
really were and really are.
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[Marv] I wasted...
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thirteen years of my life
down there
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because the Thompsons
were pissed off
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that I bought that property.
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[Larry Thompson]
We lived here all of our life.
We were born and raised here.
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Probably gonna die here, so.
Where else you gonna go, but...
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00:25:27,947 --> 00:25:31,868
No, our dad started here
in business in 1949.
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We had our mom, our dad,
then we had another brother
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between the two of us that got
sick in '02, and he passed away.
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And everybody has
their hardships, so we had
more than our fair share.
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- A raft of 'em.
- A raft of 'em.
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[Brower]
And the popular conception
of the Thompson brothers is that
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they are the hardest working
millionaires in the county.
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They probably could live well
off of the revenue
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from their property
that they have in Granby.
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00:25:58,686 --> 00:26:01,147
They could probably hire people
but they don't.
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00:26:01,230 --> 00:26:04,150
They choose to work
and I actually think
they like the work.
461
00:26:04,734 --> 00:26:06,527
[Larry Thompson] We got
a whole yard full of stuff.
462
00:26:06,611 --> 00:26:08,863
We don't hire any help.
We just do it ourselves.
463
00:26:08,946 --> 00:26:11,824
It's fun, so keeps us
out of trouble, so...
464
00:26:13,451 --> 00:26:18,039
[Marv] I spent one day here
in the spring of 2003,
465
00:26:18,122 --> 00:26:23,252
the Thompson brothers
were down below my house
here in Grand Lake,
466
00:26:23,336 --> 00:26:25,505
digging a foundation
for a house.
467
00:26:25,588 --> 00:26:28,674
Larry Thompson was standing out
by his truck by himself,
468
00:26:28,758 --> 00:26:31,761
so I drove up to him and had
a few words with him.
469
00:26:31,844 --> 00:26:34,430
Basically what I told him was
that, "You know, Larry,
470
00:26:34,514 --> 00:26:37,850
you know, about in 1992,
your family
471
00:26:37,934 --> 00:26:42,063
financially affected my life
for the rest of my life."
472
00:26:42,146 --> 00:26:45,817
Well, Marv had a beef
with our dad because
he was on the town board,
473
00:26:46,567 --> 00:26:51,364
town council for a lot of years.
And in the last years
of his life, he was the mayor.
474
00:26:51,447 --> 00:26:55,827
[Marv] And I says, "You owe me,
I want $300,000 from you."
475
00:26:55,910 --> 00:26:57,912
And he says it'll never happen.
476
00:26:57,995 --> 00:27:00,581
And I says,
"Well, I guarantee you, Larry,
477
00:27:00,665 --> 00:27:02,250
I'm gonna collect."
478
00:27:02,333 --> 00:27:04,585
One day, we always
was friendly to him,
479
00:27:04,669 --> 00:27:06,754
you know, and he rolled
his window down and he says,
480
00:27:06,838 --> 00:27:09,215
"I'm gonna get you guys." And
rolled his windows up and left,
481
00:27:09,298 --> 00:27:11,384
and that's the last time
we ever talked to him.
482
00:27:11,467 --> 00:27:15,304
[Marv] He basically confirmed
in my mind right there
483
00:27:16,556 --> 00:27:18,099
that he knew
what I was talking about.
484
00:27:18,182 --> 00:27:20,143
And he knew what had been done
485
00:27:20,226 --> 00:27:22,603
because he had one thing
to say. He screamed it at me
486
00:27:22,687 --> 00:27:24,981
as I am about five truck
lengths away.
487
00:27:25,064 --> 00:27:28,860
He screamed,
"You can suck my dick!"
488
00:27:28,943 --> 00:27:31,779
Well, when someone
is that frustrated
489
00:27:31,863 --> 00:27:34,073
that they've gotta say
something like that,
490
00:27:34,157 --> 00:27:35,825
you know they know.
491
00:27:37,535 --> 00:27:40,371
It was all politics related, so
492
00:27:40,454 --> 00:27:43,332
I don't think anybody
ever done him wrong on purpose.
493
00:27:46,419 --> 00:27:47,795
You never know
what gets into people.
494
00:27:49,672 --> 00:27:51,299
[Marv] He's a cowardly bastard.
495
00:27:52,216 --> 00:27:55,803
He's a Catholic,
and I think they are
some of the biggest cowards
496
00:27:55,887 --> 00:27:59,182
I have ever met.
They believe the only way
that they can stay on top
497
00:27:59,765 --> 00:28:01,601
is to keep their neighbor down.
498
00:28:02,393 --> 00:28:05,646
[Brower] I think
that Marv might have seen
in the Thompson family
499
00:28:05,730 --> 00:28:08,816
an example of what he
may have really aspired to,
500
00:28:09,650 --> 00:28:13,863
which was being a relatively
wealthy, land-owning family
501
00:28:13,946 --> 00:28:18,034
that worked with their hands,
worked with heavy equipment,
502
00:28:18,117 --> 00:28:21,579
that were able to make a living
at it and be successful.
503
00:28:22,705 --> 00:28:25,583
[Gary Thompson] This is
my die-cast toy collection.
504
00:28:25,666 --> 00:28:29,503
I've probably been collecting
15 years now,
maybe a little longer.
505
00:28:30,379 --> 00:28:33,007
And this is kind of my hobby
that I do in the evenings,
506
00:28:33,090 --> 00:28:34,508
mainly in the wintertime.
507
00:28:35,509 --> 00:28:38,179
So I just buy one,
two toys once in a while
508
00:28:38,262 --> 00:28:39,347
as I can afford it.
509
00:28:41,307 --> 00:28:42,975
[man]
Is this your favorite truck?
510
00:28:43,059 --> 00:28:44,435
[Larry Thompson]
They're all favorite trucks.
511
00:28:44,977 --> 00:28:46,687
They're our toys.
512
00:28:49,065 --> 00:28:51,817
So... But anyway.
513
00:28:54,278 --> 00:28:56,906
I went down to talk to Marv
about his business
514
00:28:56,989 --> 00:28:59,283
and whether he'd like us to do
a new business story,
515
00:28:59,367 --> 00:29:00,952
and would he like to buy
some advertising.
516
00:29:04,288 --> 00:29:07,124
And Marv was only open
at select hours.
517
00:29:07,208 --> 00:29:10,962
Marv ran that business
so he could indulge
in his snowmobiling habit.
518
00:29:11,045 --> 00:29:13,297
I must've gone back down
to the muffler shop
519
00:29:13,381 --> 00:29:16,342
three-four times
and Marv was never there.
520
00:29:17,301 --> 00:29:19,929
[Marv] This newspaper guy,
Patrick Brower,
521
00:29:20,012 --> 00:29:22,098
this guy hated me.
522
00:29:22,181 --> 00:29:24,976
When I first came
up here in uh '91,
523
00:29:25,059 --> 00:29:26,852
he said that
he was gonna come down
524
00:29:26,936 --> 00:29:28,354
and do an article
on my little business.
525
00:29:28,437 --> 00:29:30,398
Well, he never did do it.
526
00:29:30,481 --> 00:29:33,067
You know,
he was doing everything he could
527
00:29:33,150 --> 00:29:36,487
to keep me from getting
any additional publicity.
528
00:29:36,570 --> 00:29:38,948
He knows how to abuse
the power of the pen.
529
00:29:39,031 --> 00:29:42,451
And that's a big thing
up here is abuse of power.
530
00:29:42,535 --> 00:29:44,704
[Brower] When the time came
where I ran into Marv,
531
00:29:44,787 --> 00:29:46,872
he was all upset with me
for never doing his story.
532
00:29:46,956 --> 00:29:49,375
I said, "Marv, why don't
I just give you an ad."
533
00:29:50,251 --> 00:29:52,920
Yeah, I took a photo of Marv
and ran a free ad for him.
534
00:29:53,004 --> 00:29:55,631
It was I think a $200 ad
that he got for nothing.
535
00:29:55,715 --> 00:29:59,010
[Marv] I know
the newspaper guy, that guy,
536
00:29:59,093 --> 00:30:01,887
he has told so many lies.
It's one thing about lying--
537
00:30:01,971 --> 00:30:05,599
You tell a lie,
usually you gotta tell
five more to cover that up.
538
00:30:12,732 --> 00:30:16,902
I came to Granby in '78,
three kids raised here.
539
00:30:16,986 --> 00:30:18,571
Bought the store in '92.
540
00:30:18,654 --> 00:30:21,282
We try to be part
of the community
541
00:30:21,365 --> 00:30:23,784
and support the community
because they support us.
542
00:30:23,868 --> 00:30:27,496
So that's how I got kind
of involved in town board thing.
543
00:30:27,580 --> 00:30:31,125
[Marv] Casey Farrell,
what a barbarian.
544
00:30:31,709 --> 00:30:34,754
He comes across being
one of those good guys.
545
00:30:36,714 --> 00:30:38,257
He's part of the problem.
546
00:30:38,341 --> 00:30:40,634
Casey and Ronda Farrell
and their family
547
00:30:40,718 --> 00:30:43,137
are the kind of people
you want for neighbors.
548
00:30:43,220 --> 00:30:45,181
He never did anything
with ill intent.
549
00:30:45,890 --> 00:30:47,808
He never did anything
with malice.
550
00:30:47,892 --> 00:30:51,562
[Marv] The town council,
I'd pass them in the post office
551
00:30:51,645 --> 00:30:55,066
and they'd snicker at me
after they knew I lost.
552
00:30:56,859 --> 00:30:59,403
[Farrell] In that batch plant,
I felt like it was a positive,
553
00:30:59,487 --> 00:31:01,489
and I couldn't see
a downside for Marv.
554
00:31:02,531 --> 00:31:06,160
It was gonna supply concrete
so the community could grow.
555
00:31:06,243 --> 00:31:08,454
The opportunity for jobs.
556
00:31:08,537 --> 00:31:10,956
I mean, he might get a little
dust on his muffler shop,
557
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,542
but it wasn't all that clean
to begin with.
558
00:31:13,626 --> 00:31:16,837
[Marv] How many times do you
have to try to deal with a man?
559
00:31:16,921 --> 00:31:21,300
Come on, Cody, be reasonable,
but that's what you cannot do
560
00:31:21,384 --> 00:31:24,470
with people in the mountains,
especially in Granby.
561
00:31:28,432 --> 00:31:31,811
[Brower]
Cody Docheff built his concrete
business from the ground up.
562
00:31:31,894 --> 00:31:35,189
He's what I would call
a kind of a salt
of the earth businessman
563
00:31:35,272 --> 00:31:37,858
who, uh, is a doer.
He's a hard worker.
564
00:31:38,442 --> 00:31:40,778
Maybe Marv and Cody
had some head butting
565
00:31:40,861 --> 00:31:43,531
just because they are both
alpha personalities
566
00:31:43,614 --> 00:31:44,949
or something of that nature.
567
00:31:45,866 --> 00:31:47,910
[Farrell] I think they're both
pretty good at what they do.
568
00:31:48,577 --> 00:31:50,287
Neither one of 'em
were trust fund babies.
569
00:31:50,955 --> 00:31:52,998
Cody's worked hard
to get where he's at.
570
00:31:53,082 --> 00:31:54,625
Cody's, Cody's Cody.
571
00:31:55,543 --> 00:31:57,461
- It's just his nature.
- It's just his nature.
572
00:31:57,545 --> 00:31:59,338
You know, he's just,
he tells it the way it is.
573
00:31:59,422 --> 00:32:01,590
- If you don't like it...
- He just tells ya.
574
00:32:01,674 --> 00:32:04,260
He tells ya, you know.
He's a good guy, you know.
575
00:32:04,343 --> 00:32:06,095
He'd do anything for ya,
but he's just...
576
00:32:06,762 --> 00:32:09,640
got a little short fuse,
goes off, but he's okay,
577
00:32:09,723 --> 00:32:11,809
- you know.
- Oh, yeah, he has
a bit of a temper,
578
00:32:11,892 --> 00:32:14,061
- but he, he's all right.
- He's all right, you know.
579
00:32:14,145 --> 00:32:16,522
He's a little Bulgarian.
580
00:32:16,605 --> 00:32:20,192
He's quite quick.
He's a good man.
581
00:32:20,276 --> 00:32:23,779
He's done all right
around here, works his butt off
like everybody else.
582
00:32:23,863 --> 00:32:26,907
- Yeah, he, he's earned it.
- Yeah, he's earned
every nickel he made.
583
00:32:26,991 --> 00:32:29,243
- He came here
with basically nothing.
- Nothing.
584
00:32:29,326 --> 00:32:30,453
Uh, Marv and Cody
585
00:32:31,495 --> 00:32:32,997
probably could have been
friends.
586
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:39,128
[Marv]
For years I tried to appease
Cody Docheff's misguided anger.
587
00:32:39,211 --> 00:32:41,505
I bought
every bit of concrete,
588
00:32:41,589 --> 00:32:43,674
which turned out to be shit.
589
00:32:47,094 --> 00:32:50,181
[Brower] Marv complained
about the sewer board
holding him over a barrel,
590
00:32:50,264 --> 00:32:52,641
but that was completely
standard procedure.
591
00:32:52,725 --> 00:32:54,685
It's true that
it can be expensive,
592
00:32:54,768 --> 00:32:56,687
but Cody connected
when he built the batch plant,
593
00:32:56,770 --> 00:32:58,105
and it would not cost much
594
00:32:58,189 --> 00:33:00,065
for Marv to have hooked on.
595
00:33:01,692 --> 00:33:04,153
The Docheffs called up
Marv and said, "Marv,
596
00:33:04,236 --> 00:33:08,449
we'll give you an easement
for your water and sewer
597
00:33:08,532 --> 00:33:11,368
if you drop your lawsuit
against the town and us."
598
00:33:12,286 --> 00:33:16,165
Marv just hung up. When he
was called into the court
599
00:33:16,248 --> 00:33:18,751
because he hadn't connected
his sewer lines,
600
00:33:18,834 --> 00:33:21,921
he's clearly stalling
on resolving this issue.
601
00:33:22,004 --> 00:33:25,841
This is where Marv
confronts Deb Hess,
who is a town clerk.
602
00:33:26,509 --> 00:33:28,761
[Brower] So, Deb, did you have
any dealings with Marv?
603
00:33:28,844 --> 00:33:31,472
[Hess] He had come
in my office, he was accusing me
604
00:33:31,555 --> 00:33:33,516
of going over to the bank
and badmouthing him.
605
00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:35,893
I said, "Mr. Heemeyer,
I wasn't over at the bank
606
00:33:35,976 --> 00:33:39,230
and I wouldn't do that.
I mean, I have no reason
to badmouth him.
607
00:33:39,313 --> 00:33:41,065
I just said
I just need a different check.
608
00:33:41,148 --> 00:33:42,900
[Brower]
Actually, he had made a mistake
609
00:33:42,983 --> 00:33:44,818
when he wrote out the amount.
610
00:33:44,902 --> 00:33:47,613
Marv corrects
the verbiage on the check
611
00:33:47,696 --> 00:33:50,491
and then the check clears
and he's paid his fine.
612
00:33:50,574 --> 00:33:53,327
Marv's anger affected
his interpretation of events
613
00:33:53,410 --> 00:33:55,829
with Dietze as well.
He believed Dietze milked him
614
00:33:55,913 --> 00:33:57,831
for money
and abandoned him on appeal.
615
00:33:58,707 --> 00:34:00,918
But if Dietze was really
out to milk Heemeyer
616
00:34:01,001 --> 00:34:03,003
why didn't he go
to the appeal?
617
00:34:03,087 --> 00:34:05,756
It'd be a way to milk
another $55,000 out of him.
618
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:10,928
And the irony is Cody
had been offering to buy
Marv out from the beginning,
619
00:34:11,011 --> 00:34:14,848
and Marv saw an opportunity
to sell that two-acre parcel
620
00:34:14,932 --> 00:34:18,143
that he had bought
at that auction to the Docheffs.
621
00:34:18,227 --> 00:34:21,939
[Broady] Marv put a price
on his property of $250,000.
622
00:34:22,481 --> 00:34:25,985
That's a pretty good profit,
six times what he paid for it.
623
00:34:26,068 --> 00:34:27,987
Cody had agreed to 250,000.
624
00:34:28,070 --> 00:34:30,906
Immediately,
Marv backed out and said no,
625
00:34:30,990 --> 00:34:32,783
I want 375,000.
626
00:34:32,866 --> 00:34:34,743
Cody said all right,
we'll pay that.
627
00:34:34,827 --> 00:34:36,620
Marv backed out again.
628
00:34:36,704 --> 00:34:39,206
I'm not sure if Marv
was looking for a fight
629
00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:42,501
at that point in time.
He had a way out.
630
00:34:42,585 --> 00:34:44,503
He had a way out
to make some good money
631
00:34:44,587 --> 00:34:46,672
and, and go on about his life,
632
00:34:46,755 --> 00:34:49,008
but he chose that path
for whatever reason.
633
00:34:51,385 --> 00:34:54,805
At the town level,
the people on there are just
634
00:34:54,888 --> 00:34:57,683
everyday people
that want to give back.
635
00:34:58,475 --> 00:35:00,853
And to say that the people
that sit behind us
636
00:35:00,936 --> 00:35:04,231
in this board room do things
for any other reason
637
00:35:04,940 --> 00:35:11,488
than trying to make a difference
and trying to do what's right,
they're sadly mistaken.
638
00:35:11,572 --> 00:35:13,782
[Farrell] He was raising hell
about Cody and the batch plant,
639
00:35:14,491 --> 00:35:19,997
Marv... actually made
that better for the town
640
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:25,711
because he was raising issues
that the people on the board
they hadn't thought about.
641
00:35:26,587 --> 00:35:29,882
So he'd come in and he'd
say, "well, what about dust?"
or this, or that or whatever,
642
00:35:31,091 --> 00:35:34,053
they'd go,
"Well, that makes sense to me.
What do you think, Cody?"
643
00:35:34,136 --> 00:35:35,679
"Oh, yeah, I can fix that,
no big deal."
644
00:35:36,930 --> 00:35:39,725
So we really got
a better deal for the town
645
00:35:39,808 --> 00:35:42,186
because of Marv complaining.
646
00:35:42,269 --> 00:35:45,272
Well, after we approved it,
it was, actually,
I-- I felt like it was
647
00:35:46,482 --> 00:35:48,859
a pretty damn good deal,
really.
648
00:35:48,942 --> 00:35:51,070
[Brower] Marv's assumption
that there was this group
649
00:35:51,153 --> 00:35:53,280
of community leaders
that would get together
650
00:35:53,364 --> 00:35:54,948
at the coffee shop
in the morning and
651
00:35:55,032 --> 00:35:57,368
conspire
about how to keep Marv
652
00:35:57,451 --> 00:35:59,578
from moving forward
because he's the new guy...
653
00:36:00,537 --> 00:36:01,914
It's patently untrue.
654
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:06,460
He was upset.
He wanted to have it his way
655
00:36:06,543 --> 00:36:08,253
and it wasn't gonna go his way.
656
00:36:19,973 --> 00:36:23,644
[Brower]
Marv went to California probably
based on an advertisement
657
00:36:23,727 --> 00:36:25,854
he saw in a Ritchie Bros.
auction site
658
00:36:25,938 --> 00:36:30,025
for this Komatsu
D355 bulldozer.
659
00:36:30,776 --> 00:36:32,653
Marv bid on it
and got it at a great deal.
660
00:36:37,866 --> 00:36:41,161
It's a big dozer,
yeah, big dozer.
661
00:36:41,245 --> 00:36:43,288
[Brower] He then stuck it
on a flatbed, had it driven
662
00:36:43,372 --> 00:36:46,125
all the way to Granby,
Colorado, from California.
663
00:36:46,208 --> 00:36:49,294
He had it delivered
in July of 2002.
664
00:36:49,378 --> 00:36:51,880
We're sitting eating dinner one
night and this big yellow truck
665
00:36:51,964 --> 00:36:54,675
comes in town with this
big dozer on it. We sat down
there and watched them
666
00:36:54,758 --> 00:36:56,385
unload that thing off
the trailer.
667
00:36:56,468 --> 00:36:58,512
But we were working
the next county up,
668
00:36:58,595 --> 00:37:01,432
and it was midnight
or one in the morning
669
00:37:01,515 --> 00:37:05,602
before we got back
to our warehouse,
but we took the back way.
670
00:37:05,686 --> 00:37:08,480
And they're unloading
that dozer
671
00:37:08,564 --> 00:37:11,817
that night.
It's just really strange.
672
00:37:11,900 --> 00:37:14,528
That thing, it's a pretty
good-sized tractor. We thought,
673
00:37:14,611 --> 00:37:17,489
"What in the heck
is he gonna do with
that goddam thing, you know?"
674
00:37:17,573 --> 00:37:20,826
[Brower] He ended up parking
the dozer up on the access road
675
00:37:20,909 --> 00:37:25,789
to the muffler property
so that the blade was facing
out on this dirt road.
676
00:37:26,415 --> 00:37:29,001
And he had right in the middle
of the blade, a for sale sign.
677
00:37:29,585 --> 00:37:33,338
And it just sat there through
that winter of 2002 to 2003.
678
00:37:33,422 --> 00:37:37,217
[Spencer] He parked Komatsu
outside the muffler shop
679
00:37:37,301 --> 00:37:39,428
just to make Docheff nervous.
680
00:37:40,220 --> 00:37:43,599
That's why he bought it--
for the intimidation factor.
681
00:37:51,106 --> 00:37:53,859
[Marv] I wanted
these people to learn,
682
00:37:54,485 --> 00:37:59,072
and he knew that I eventually
would get to the point
683
00:37:59,156 --> 00:38:02,576
where I wouldn't put up
with what they were
taking away from me,
684
00:38:02,659 --> 00:38:04,620
for what they had denied me.
685
00:38:04,703 --> 00:38:07,080
God knew Marv Heemeyer
very well.
686
00:38:09,708 --> 00:38:13,879
[Brower] Essentially,
he becomes the victim
that is then justified
687
00:38:13,962 --> 00:38:16,757
in reacting against
all these people
that have done him wrong.
688
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,885
[Marv] We know
he wants to get out of it.
We know he knows he's screwed.
689
00:38:19,968 --> 00:38:22,387
Let's really screw him,
you know.
690
00:38:22,471 --> 00:38:24,765
That's exactly
what their attitude was.
691
00:38:24,848 --> 00:38:28,185
And, and they did.
I had no choice.
692
00:38:28,268 --> 00:38:29,853
What was I supposed to do?
693
00:38:31,980 --> 00:38:36,109
[Brower] The allegation
is that somehow the town
ruined Marv's business--
694
00:38:36,193 --> 00:38:38,403
The town didn't do anything
to shut him down,
695
00:38:38,487 --> 00:38:41,114
He still had access
to his property.
696
00:38:41,198 --> 00:38:44,368
Marv just on his own
decided to completely
shut down his muffler shop
697
00:38:44,451 --> 00:38:46,078
and put it all up to auction.
698
00:38:47,621 --> 00:38:51,333
[Marv] You know, God has
his timing, his plans made out.
699
00:38:51,917 --> 00:38:53,961
And it looks like
it's going to be
700
00:38:54,044 --> 00:38:56,380
because the one thing
that I have wanted to do
701
00:38:56,463 --> 00:38:59,550
is get caught. I had hoped
that somebody would catch me
702
00:38:59,633 --> 00:39:01,593
and that this whole thing
would stop.
703
00:39:02,177 --> 00:39:04,388
And that would be a good sign
for me not to do it.
704
00:39:06,515 --> 00:39:08,851
[Brower]
So Marv conducted the auction
of all the materials
705
00:39:08,934 --> 00:39:11,728
relating to his shop.
Included in the items
706
00:39:11,812 --> 00:39:14,147
he was gonna auction
was this dozer.
707
00:39:14,898 --> 00:39:17,734
[Marv] This Komatsu
was in excellent condition.
708
00:39:17,818 --> 00:39:21,947
I was willing at the auction
to take 33,000 for it.
709
00:39:22,573 --> 00:39:26,034
Couldn't get a bid,
so I kept the dozer.
710
00:39:26,660 --> 00:39:30,455
And it also is unique
how I had five things
711
00:39:30,539 --> 00:39:32,958
at the auction
and they sold.
712
00:39:33,667 --> 00:39:35,377
But what two things did I keep?
713
00:39:35,961 --> 00:39:39,006
The Komatsu dozer
and the property.
714
00:39:39,089 --> 00:39:41,258
If they would have bought it
at that auction
715
00:39:41,341 --> 00:39:45,262
of 450,000,
I would have walked away,
716
00:39:46,138 --> 00:39:48,765
but there wasn't one bid.
717
00:39:50,183 --> 00:39:52,311
So stop and think about this:
718
00:39:53,061 --> 00:39:56,356
I wasn't supposed
to walk away from this
719
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,192
because the Komatsu
was still there.
720
00:40:06,617 --> 00:40:09,202
[Trisha] You know I had
quit smoking for nine years
721
00:40:09,286 --> 00:40:11,538
and I'd become
this closet smoker, you know.
722
00:40:11,622 --> 00:40:14,041
I'd sneak them,
which is ridiculous, I know.
723
00:40:14,124 --> 00:40:17,002
And he, uh, he didn't like that
724
00:40:18,003 --> 00:40:20,172
and we got
into an argument about it.
725
00:40:20,255 --> 00:40:22,341
That's when things
went downhill,
726
00:40:23,550 --> 00:40:25,552
and then we quit
seeing each other.
727
00:40:26,386 --> 00:40:30,015
It was maybe easier to,
to break it up, you know.
728
00:40:32,392 --> 00:40:36,480
I don't know the details,
but just him talking about her,
729
00:40:38,398 --> 00:40:42,110
he was very in love with her.
I knew that.
730
00:40:42,194 --> 00:40:45,155
[man] Is it possible
that he felt stronger
about you than you did him?
731
00:40:53,121 --> 00:40:55,958
[Brower] Marv was still
perplexed about what to do
with his property.
732
00:40:56,041 --> 00:40:59,419
Travis Busse
and his partner were owners
of the trash company.
733
00:40:59,503 --> 00:41:02,547
They had negotiated with Marv
to lease his two acres
734
00:41:02,631 --> 00:41:05,300
as a staging point
for their trucks.
735
00:41:05,384 --> 00:41:09,262
And I was trying to look
for an area where it was
more commercial,
736
00:41:09,346 --> 00:41:12,432
than I could actually have
a garage that I could keep
my trucks in the winter.
737
00:41:12,516 --> 00:41:15,394
He had the perfect building
right there in town.
738
00:41:15,477 --> 00:41:19,314
[Marv] What was unique is
I find out that the dozer
739
00:41:19,398 --> 00:41:21,775
is two inches shorter
740
00:41:21,858 --> 00:41:23,110
than 12 feet,
741
00:41:23,193 --> 00:41:24,945
one inch narrower
742
00:41:25,028 --> 00:41:26,363
than the door,
743
00:41:26,446 --> 00:41:28,573
So I said let's put it inside
744
00:41:28,657 --> 00:41:30,450
because then I can build it
745
00:41:30,534 --> 00:41:32,577
to do what I am supposed to do.
746
00:41:33,704 --> 00:41:36,915
The Komatsu just barely fit
through the door.
747
00:41:38,709 --> 00:41:43,380
[Marv] Why did that particular
dozer fit in the building?
748
00:41:44,423 --> 00:41:48,635
Why had I not bought
one of the D9s
at that Fresno auction.
749
00:41:49,511 --> 00:41:53,432
So, so I'm thinking,
"Well, this is good. I get it
inside, now I can build it.
750
00:41:54,725 --> 00:41:56,393
Must be
what I'm supposed to do."
751
00:42:00,147 --> 00:42:02,190
At that time,
we were getting bigger
752
00:42:02,274 --> 00:42:05,193
and we needed a place
to where we could call home.
753
00:42:05,277 --> 00:42:08,697
[Brower] Travis finally
offered Marv $400,000
754
00:42:08,780 --> 00:42:11,283
and Marv agreed
to sell the land to them
755
00:42:11,366 --> 00:42:14,828
for that amount.
Sure enough, I think it was
even within 24 hours,
756
00:42:14,911 --> 00:42:17,497
Travis had water and sewer
hooked up to the property.
757
00:42:17,622 --> 00:42:20,834
[Travis]
We bought it all and he
basically back rented from us
758
00:42:20,917 --> 00:42:23,253
the building that he put
the dozer in.
759
00:42:23,837 --> 00:42:27,758
[Marv] And this will be
the first time that I've ever
done something like that
760
00:42:27,841 --> 00:42:30,635
the way they want it to be done,
the way they do it,
761
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,514
to do it in secret, to do
things behind their back,
762
00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:36,933
to lie to you.
I've had to do that.
763
00:42:37,017 --> 00:42:40,062
People'd ask me what am I doing?
Oh, I'm not doin' anything.
764
00:42:40,145 --> 00:42:43,982
[laughs] I spent 2003
in that friggin' building,
765
00:42:44,066 --> 00:42:48,361
lived there
without a shower for as much
as four days at a time,
766
00:42:48,445 --> 00:42:52,032
working on that dozer,
getting it prepared.
767
00:42:52,115 --> 00:42:54,409
[Brower] Marv built
a little sleeping area,
768
00:42:54,493 --> 00:42:57,537
complete with cot,
TV, hotplate, water,
769
00:42:58,205 --> 00:43:01,750
so that he could basically work
24/7 on the dozer.
770
00:43:03,251 --> 00:43:05,921
He ended up bringing
in all the sheets of steel
into the shed.
771
00:43:06,004 --> 00:43:09,216
He had torches in the shed.
He had all kinds
of tools in the shed.
772
00:43:10,926 --> 00:43:16,765
He built a lift which could
lift large, heavy things,
mainly sheets of steel.
773
00:43:16,848 --> 00:43:20,227
It actually lifted 'em up
and held 'em in place
while he welded 'em in place.
774
00:43:20,310 --> 00:43:24,815
[McClelland]
It was 1/2-inch steel.
He had spacers that he put in,
775
00:43:24,898 --> 00:43:28,193
so he had two layers
of steel plate.
776
00:43:28,276 --> 00:43:31,071
And he poured concrete down
in between them.
777
00:43:31,154 --> 00:43:34,074
[Travis] And then lifted
the outer shell of that dozer.
778
00:43:34,157 --> 00:43:36,451
So that made it
a super fortified gap.
779
00:43:37,327 --> 00:43:40,247
He was working on it at night,
sleeping during the day, so,
780
00:43:40,330 --> 00:43:44,668
but you'd think somebody
would've known what was going
on down there. But, evidently...
781
00:43:45,669 --> 00:43:49,089
[Brower] And he put in
surveillance cameras
on the outside of the shed,
782
00:43:49,172 --> 00:43:51,800
hooked up to monitors
he had on inside of the shed.
783
00:43:51,883 --> 00:43:54,344
I think he kind of watched us
and our schedule,
784
00:43:54,427 --> 00:43:57,681
so he knew that basically when
we left at five or six at night
785
00:43:57,764 --> 00:43:59,808
he was free
to work and make noise.
786
00:44:01,935 --> 00:44:04,938
[Marv]
I don't understand. I guess
I'm a dumb, I'm a dumb person.
787
00:44:05,021 --> 00:44:08,275
I'm not as witty as some.
I'm not as sharp as some.
788
00:44:09,943 --> 00:44:12,612
I don't know that that's
the backbone of America though.
789
00:44:13,363 --> 00:44:16,116
I don't know what the backbone
of America is anymore.
790
00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:18,243
I did my buying that property--
791
00:44:18,326 --> 00:44:21,580
You are so mistaken
about the real world.
792
00:44:21,663 --> 00:44:25,167
You know, you can call it
revenge... I don't know.
793
00:44:25,792 --> 00:44:28,003
Maybe what happened here,
794
00:44:29,254 --> 00:44:31,131
maybe you'll remember that.
795
00:44:31,214 --> 00:44:34,759
Marv knew he was gonna be
spending long periods of time
796
00:44:34,843 --> 00:44:38,471
in the shed,
and he had in there
a little small video collection
797
00:44:38,555 --> 00:44:41,266
that he could watch. One
of the movies he had in there
798
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:43,727
was a Vin Diesel film,
called A Man Apart.
799
00:44:43,810 --> 00:44:47,939
The hero of the movie
loses his wife
to a gang of criminals.
800
00:44:48,023 --> 00:44:50,775
He takes the law into his own
hands, goes out there,
801
00:44:50,859 --> 00:44:54,779
shoots up the bad guys,
and the movie ends
with him alone,
802
00:44:54,863 --> 00:44:58,533
but he has somehow
redeemed and purified
the corrupt society.
803
00:45:00,452 --> 00:45:03,038
When we purchased the property,
we had to have insurance
on every building,
804
00:45:03,121 --> 00:45:06,082
so we had
to actually do a walkthrough
through that building.
805
00:45:07,167 --> 00:45:12,297
[Marv] Last fall I had
this dozer about half done.
806
00:45:12,380 --> 00:45:15,091
Had the dozer covered up
with these polypropylene tarps,
807
00:45:16,009 --> 00:45:18,970
so these guys come in.
"Oh, wow, what's this?"
808
00:45:19,054 --> 00:45:21,681
I made up this story.
I said this professor
809
00:45:21,765 --> 00:45:24,184
was perfecting a cooling system
810
00:45:24,267 --> 00:45:26,937
which would cool
the air and increase
811
00:45:27,020 --> 00:45:29,648
the performance of the engine.
812
00:45:30,690 --> 00:45:33,109
I had
this whole bullshit story
813
00:45:33,193 --> 00:45:35,528
and they went along with it.
And I couldn't believe it
814
00:45:35,612 --> 00:45:37,489
when they walked out the door.
815
00:45:37,572 --> 00:45:40,408
It was right there
under their nose.
816
00:45:40,492 --> 00:45:42,994
How come they didn't catch me?
817
00:45:43,078 --> 00:45:45,872
Well, I wasn't supposed
to get caught!
818
00:45:47,791 --> 00:45:50,418
God built me to be here
to prove to you
819
00:45:50,502 --> 00:45:52,337
that what you have been doing
820
00:45:52,420 --> 00:45:54,506
for God knows how many years
821
00:45:54,589 --> 00:45:55,840
is wrong.
822
00:45:57,300 --> 00:45:59,719
You picked on the wrong man.
823
00:45:59,844 --> 00:46:01,054
I'm not tough.
824
00:46:01,888 --> 00:46:03,807
I'm not that strong.
825
00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:06,559
What I am going to do
is above me,
826
00:46:07,185 --> 00:46:10,021
and God gave me
that peace years ago
827
00:46:10,105 --> 00:46:13,316
in that hot tub.
I had to do this.
828
00:46:13,942 --> 00:46:16,403
That I could not do it
without God's help
829
00:46:17,153 --> 00:46:21,741
that it was his strength
that would spur me on
830
00:46:21,866 --> 00:46:26,288
at 51 and 52 years old
to get this job done
831
00:46:26,913 --> 00:46:29,082
at the pace that I could do it.
832
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,461
I believe that is why
he gave me last winter off.
833
00:46:40,135 --> 00:46:42,595
He says, "Marv,
you're not gonna get it done,
834
00:46:42,679 --> 00:46:44,931
go take off this winter,
go play."
835
00:46:45,015 --> 00:46:47,267
It was wintertime,
I'm not gonna be here.
836
00:46:47,350 --> 00:46:50,186
Everything's sold. I don't have
a muffler shop anymore.
837
00:46:50,270 --> 00:46:51,563
I'm gonna go snowmobiling.
838
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,505
[Brower] Marv actually really
did succeed in Granby.
839
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:20,550
He bought that property
for $42,000.
840
00:47:20,633 --> 00:47:24,596
He was able to sell it
ten years later for $400,000.
841
00:47:26,097 --> 00:47:29,225
And, in fact, that was
the very thing he had been
trying to do all along.
842
00:47:31,311 --> 00:47:33,271
Marv says in his own tapes
843
00:47:33,355 --> 00:47:35,482
that his muffler business
was successful.
844
00:47:35,565 --> 00:47:38,401
It gave him an opportunity to do
what he wanted to do in life,
845
00:47:38,485 --> 00:47:42,238
to enjoy
his snowmobiling and still
have money so he could live.
846
00:47:47,702 --> 00:47:50,663
[Marv]
But you've got to do this.
You've got to get this done.
847
00:47:50,747 --> 00:47:52,999
And that was my goal
so to speak,
848
00:47:53,083 --> 00:47:54,918
take the winter off, relax,
849
00:47:55,001 --> 00:47:57,337
you know, maybe something
would come up
850
00:47:57,420 --> 00:47:58,797
to change my mind.
851
00:48:06,596 --> 00:48:10,642
[Brower] In March of 2004,
Marv's father dies.
852
00:48:12,018 --> 00:48:14,521
Marv did go up
to the funeral.
853
00:48:15,438 --> 00:48:16,398
He took photos.
854
00:48:17,524 --> 00:48:19,692
In the photos
you see family members.
855
00:48:19,776 --> 00:48:22,612
You see photos
of Marv's father in the casket.
856
00:48:23,863 --> 00:48:26,366
Included was a selfie
that Marv took
857
00:48:26,991 --> 00:48:30,370
outside the family farm
there in South Dakota.
858
00:48:31,454 --> 00:48:34,457
And it's a mournful,
sad-looking photo.
859
00:48:35,375 --> 00:48:38,128
A look of resignation
is on Marv's face.
860
00:48:38,211 --> 00:48:41,089
It's almost as if he's saying,
"I know what I am gonna do
861
00:48:41,172 --> 00:48:44,217
and I'm not happy about it.
And this is my last look
at my home."
862
00:48:45,593 --> 00:48:48,721
But before that,
Marv had given all the proceeds
863
00:48:48,805 --> 00:48:50,765
from the sale of the lot
864
00:48:50,849 --> 00:48:54,644
and of all of his material
and equipment to his father.
865
00:48:55,562 --> 00:48:57,981
[Marv] You know, it's gone. Now
money means nothing to me.
866
00:48:58,064 --> 00:48:59,858
I've given my house away.
867
00:48:59,941 --> 00:49:02,193
I do not need this cabin
here in Grand Lake.
868
00:49:03,069 --> 00:49:05,488
My snowmobiles, I've given
those away this year.
869
00:49:05,572 --> 00:49:07,866
Everything is gone.
870
00:49:08,533 --> 00:49:11,953
What I own is just gonna
be a pittance
871
00:49:12,579 --> 00:49:14,539
compared to what
I am going to take.
872
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,754
[McClelland] Marv transferred
the sale proceeds from his bank
873
00:49:21,838 --> 00:49:24,883
in $50,000 increments.
874
00:49:24,966 --> 00:49:28,052
Prior to his father's passing,
875
00:49:28,136 --> 00:49:32,307
his father conveyed
those sale proceeds
876
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:35,602
to Marv's two brothers
and sister.
877
00:49:35,685 --> 00:49:38,730
[Brower]
By giving them to his father
and willing all that
878
00:49:38,813 --> 00:49:40,565
to the other members
of the family,
879
00:49:40,648 --> 00:49:42,817
it was one big step
removed from Marv
880
00:49:42,901 --> 00:49:45,945
so that when the time came
to try to get resources
881
00:49:46,070 --> 00:49:49,115
back from Marv to reimburse
people who had lost,
882
00:49:49,741 --> 00:49:51,701
uh, it was near impossible.
883
00:49:53,828 --> 00:49:57,957
[Marv] This is Tape 3.
It's about 10:05 on, uh,
884
00:49:58,041 --> 00:50:00,168
the 13th of April 2004.
885
00:50:01,336 --> 00:50:03,171
And I want to say
that I believe
886
00:50:03,254 --> 00:50:05,215
that I am an American patriot.
887
00:50:05,924 --> 00:50:08,092
I believe
in free enterprise system.
888
00:50:08,718 --> 00:50:11,846
I believe in a level playing
field of competition.
889
00:50:12,555 --> 00:50:15,433
If you want to change
that level playing field
890
00:50:15,517 --> 00:50:18,645
of competition
to your advantage, basically,
891
00:50:18,728 --> 00:50:22,524
you give me license
to do that also
892
00:50:22,607 --> 00:50:24,567
when my opportunity comes around
893
00:50:25,235 --> 00:50:27,987
because you are the leaders
of the community.
894
00:50:28,071 --> 00:50:30,740
Through your actions,
you show the community
895
00:50:30,823 --> 00:50:32,992
how things
are supposed to be done.
896
00:50:33,868 --> 00:50:37,747
You have given me license
through your example
897
00:50:37,830 --> 00:50:40,124
to do what I need to do.
898
00:50:40,208 --> 00:50:44,963
When I do this, that levels
the playing field in my favor,
899
00:50:45,046 --> 00:50:47,590
so now we've got
a lopsided playing field
900
00:50:47,674 --> 00:50:49,926
because when I come back at you,
901
00:50:51,219 --> 00:50:54,264
I'm gonna destroy your side
of the playing field.
902
00:51:07,944 --> 00:51:12,282
He wanted everybody
to hear what he felt
about what happened to him,
903
00:51:12,865 --> 00:51:15,743
but I won't even listen
to 'em, you know.
904
00:51:15,827 --> 00:51:19,581
I listened a little bit
and I said, "Nah, I don't need
to listen to this," you know.
905
00:51:20,331 --> 00:51:24,502
He told me in his roundabout way
through life, you know.
906
00:51:25,795 --> 00:51:26,713
Lonely man.
907
00:51:27,797 --> 00:51:29,632
He would just spend
too much time alone.
908
00:51:30,550 --> 00:51:32,176
That's what I put it onto.
909
00:51:33,303 --> 00:51:35,722
He spent too much time
in hot tub alone.
910
00:51:41,394 --> 00:51:44,147
[Trisha] At the time I went
to work for a dentist
911
00:51:45,565 --> 00:51:48,109
we ended up doing
a crown prep on Marv
912
00:51:49,027 --> 00:51:51,696
and he was to come back
that actual Friday
913
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,741
and seat the permanent crown.
914
00:51:54,824 --> 00:51:58,453
I said, "Marv, you need to get
the hell out of Grand County,"
915
00:51:58,536 --> 00:52:02,040
I remember it vividly.
And he gave me a big hug
and he said, "Trish..."
916
00:52:03,583 --> 00:52:06,461
He said, "You are the best thing
that ever happened to me
in Grand County."
917
00:52:06,544 --> 00:52:08,546
I just remember that so vividly.
918
00:52:09,422 --> 00:52:13,426
And... you know, he was gonna do
this thing three weeks later.
919
00:52:13,509 --> 00:52:17,805
He already had it planned,
you know, so nuts
to think about that.
920
00:52:17,889 --> 00:52:21,184
And I would never have guessed.
You know, he seemed like
921
00:52:21,267 --> 00:52:25,021
it was so great to see him and,
and it was great to have a hug,
922
00:52:25,104 --> 00:52:26,230
you know.
923
00:52:31,194 --> 00:52:33,988
I went snowmobiling with Marv
a month before it happened,
924
00:52:35,073 --> 00:52:37,992
early May on Vail Pass,
just he and I.
925
00:52:38,660 --> 00:52:40,912
We had plans
of going again in June
926
00:52:40,995 --> 00:52:42,413
just to say we did it.
927
00:52:43,247 --> 00:52:45,124
And these are future plans.
928
00:52:45,249 --> 00:52:47,293
He wasn't done.
929
00:52:49,504 --> 00:52:51,964
And he spent a couple of weeks
in Florida with some friends.
930
00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:56,678
He talked about it
on the way to Vail.
931
00:52:56,761 --> 00:52:58,680
He said they're gonna get
what's coming to 'em.
932
00:53:13,361 --> 00:53:16,906
[Marv]
So here we are and I am at peace
with what I am about to do.
933
00:53:17,865 --> 00:53:21,911
People will think,
"Why did he do that?
He had such a good life.
934
00:53:21,994 --> 00:53:23,830
He had a better life
than me anyway."
935
00:53:24,831 --> 00:53:26,582
It's not what I deserve.
936
00:53:27,333 --> 00:53:29,335
You meddled in my business
937
00:53:29,419 --> 00:53:31,838
and took what I deserve away.
938
00:53:31,921 --> 00:53:34,465
You took advantage
of my good nature.
939
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:36,968
Well, I think there's something
you should learn here.
940
00:53:37,552 --> 00:53:39,429
For as good as a man can be,
941
00:53:39,512 --> 00:53:41,097
also can he be as bad.
942
00:53:42,056 --> 00:53:45,309
When you visit evil
upon someone,
943
00:53:45,393 --> 00:53:48,020
be assured it will revisit you.
944
00:53:49,439 --> 00:53:51,899
The Thompsons are guilty.
945
00:53:51,983 --> 00:53:54,444
The Docheffs are guilty.
946
00:53:54,527 --> 00:53:57,697
The Granby Town Board is guilty.
947
00:53:57,780 --> 00:54:01,284
The Granby Planning Commission
is guilty.
948
00:54:02,201 --> 00:54:04,203
It took all of you
949
00:54:04,328 --> 00:54:07,039
ten years to get me.
950
00:54:07,123 --> 00:54:09,167
You got me, no doubt about it.
951
00:54:09,250 --> 00:54:11,085
I got screwed big time.
952
00:54:12,462 --> 00:54:13,880
Enough is enough.
953
00:54:14,881 --> 00:54:16,758
I have been beaten
to a point
954
00:54:16,841 --> 00:54:19,260
where I'm not
gonna take it anymore.
955
00:54:20,386 --> 00:54:22,638
But I don't think that's
what God had planned for me,
956
00:54:22,722 --> 00:54:26,392
and he expects me to do
something to those
957
00:54:26,476 --> 00:54:30,354
who kept me now
from getting what I deserve.
958
00:54:31,147 --> 00:54:33,691
God's will be done through me.
959
00:54:41,491 --> 00:54:44,952
You were cowards in the way
that you dealt with me.
960
00:54:46,204 --> 00:54:48,956
You all along were thinking
that I was the person
961
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,000
that needed
to be taught a lesson.
962
00:54:52,668 --> 00:54:58,049
You were going to show me how
it worked in Granby, Colorado.
963
00:54:58,132 --> 00:55:00,635
How the real world worked.
964
00:55:04,305 --> 00:55:07,850
You people needed
to be taught a lesson.
965
00:55:28,871 --> 00:55:31,040
[crash]
966
00:55:33,626 --> 00:55:37,213
[dramatic music]
967
00:55:54,313 --> 00:55:56,399
[phone dialling]
968
00:55:57,233 --> 00:56:00,653
- 911, what is your emergency?
- This is Sherry
at the trash company.
969
00:56:00,736 --> 00:56:04,866
And there is a bulldozer over
at Mountain Park Concrete
destroying their building.
970
00:56:04,949 --> 00:56:09,620
-It's destroying the building?
Is anyone on it?
-Yeah, it's encased in metal
971
00:56:09,704 --> 00:56:11,914
and you can't see
who's driving or anything.
972
00:56:11,998 --> 00:56:13,374
And they can't get it to stop.
973
00:56:25,052 --> 00:56:29,015
- 911, what's your emergency?
- Hi, Sherry at the trash
company again. It is headed
974
00:56:29,098 --> 00:56:32,351
- for their main building now.
- It's headed
for the main building, okay.
975
00:56:32,476 --> 00:56:35,062
Cody had grabbed a handgun
from one of his workers.
976
00:56:39,775 --> 00:56:42,695
He takes the gun up
and bang, bang.
977
00:56:42,778 --> 00:56:45,531
Not only is the diesel engine
screaming
978
00:56:45,615 --> 00:56:48,451
as it's pushing the dozer,
but the treads,
979
00:56:48,534 --> 00:56:51,746
they're creaking and scraping
as the roar of the engine,
980
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:54,957
then there's just the sound
of crash and ruin,
981
00:56:55,041 --> 00:56:57,376
because he's really knocking
all these walls down.
982
00:56:57,501 --> 00:57:01,339
[Larry Thompson]
The tracks are probably
the most memorable thing.
983
00:57:01,422 --> 00:57:05,176
Our goal was to get the heaviest
thing we could pack by hand,
984
00:57:05,259 --> 00:57:07,803
because if you can get
tangled up in some steel
985
00:57:07,887 --> 00:57:09,639
you're gonna stop that track.
986
00:57:09,722 --> 00:57:12,808
We got a big piece
of angle iron off
987
00:57:12,892 --> 00:57:14,810
of Cody Docheff's steel rack,
988
00:57:14,894 --> 00:57:18,397
it's probably 1/2-inch diameter,
so it was really heavy.
989
00:57:19,857 --> 00:57:24,153
Our intentions was to try
to lodge that into the tracks
990
00:57:24,236 --> 00:57:26,697
and get it tangled up
so it'd break the track.
991
00:57:27,865 --> 00:57:28,908
That didn't work.
992
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:55,059
Over radio] We have an armored,
a very armored situation
and it's getting closer.
993
00:57:55,142 --> 00:57:57,979
[woman] 301, I copy,
there's an armored bulldozer
tearing down the building.
994
00:57:58,062 --> 00:57:59,397
There are several deputies
in route.
995
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:00,940
At the time of the call,
996
00:58:01,023 --> 00:58:03,442
which was about a quarter
after two
997
00:58:03,567 --> 00:58:06,529
in the afternoon,
I was approximately a mile away.
998
00:58:06,612 --> 00:58:08,739
I pulled up
and stopped my car,
999
00:58:08,823 --> 00:58:12,618
and there's a bulldozer
that doesn't completely look
1000
00:58:12,702 --> 00:58:16,414
like a bulldozer anymore.
I had grabbed a shotgun and
1001
00:58:16,497 --> 00:58:19,291
ran towards the bulldozer.
I'm yelling,
1002
00:58:19,375 --> 00:58:23,045
I am ordering it to stop.
It backs away from the building,
1003
00:58:23,129 --> 00:58:26,590
and a frontend loader
approaches it.
1004
00:58:26,674 --> 00:58:30,344
And I see the frontend loader is
being operated by Cody Docheff.
1005
00:58:30,428 --> 00:58:33,014
I told Cody,
"Get the biggest loader you got
1006
00:58:33,097 --> 00:58:36,308
and see if you can
get underneath his track
to uplift him."
1007
00:58:36,392 --> 00:58:39,979
And Cody did. He backed up
with a big loader and hit him.
1008
00:58:40,062 --> 00:58:43,649
[Brower]
So he takes his frontend loader
and slams into the side of him.
1009
00:58:53,951 --> 00:58:57,455
[Kraker]
And all it did was lift the back
of the frontend loader up.
1010
00:59:14,055 --> 00:59:19,435
It shook him hard enough that
I think that's when Marv started
letting out the rounds.
1011
00:59:19,518 --> 00:59:22,772
[Busse] Marv had a 50-caliber
rifle pointed out the back.
1012
00:59:22,855 --> 00:59:25,649
He shot numerous rounds
into Cody's bucket.
1013
00:59:25,733 --> 00:59:30,237
[over radio] We have shots
fired. We have automatic weapons
in the bulldozer.
1014
00:59:35,743 --> 00:59:38,370
[Brower] Luckily, all
the rounds hit in the bucket.
1015
00:59:38,454 --> 00:59:41,082
Cody figures out where he is
and he's not hit. He's okay.
1016
00:59:41,165 --> 00:59:43,626
And he backs up and he thinks,
"What am I gonna do now?"
1017
00:59:43,709 --> 00:59:46,962
Shortly after that,
Cody realized that that
was too much. He was done.
1018
00:59:47,046 --> 00:59:50,674
That's when the officers
started surrounding the place.
1019
00:59:50,758 --> 00:59:54,428
[Kraker] And I transitioned
from a shotgun to an M-4 rifle.
1020
00:59:54,512 --> 00:59:58,432
And about that time I was joined
by a state trooper, Dave Patera.
1021
00:59:59,850 --> 01:00:02,937
[Brower] At first,
Cody speculated that there's
not a human being in there
1022
01:00:03,020 --> 01:00:05,356
it's being run
by radio controls.
1023
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:23,082
[Brower] The dozer's continuing
its damage. It's going
in and out of the building,
1024
01:00:23,165 --> 01:00:25,876
slamming into this huge
concrete batch plant,
1025
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,380
essentially, knocking down
all the sidewalls,
just destroying it.
1026
01:00:29,463 --> 01:00:32,258
Well, at this point there's
more police on the scene.
1027
01:00:32,341 --> 01:00:34,844
[over radio] Okay, I'm gonna
pull right up behind him...
1028
01:00:34,927 --> 01:00:37,471
I'll go back around
over the ditch on foot.
1029
01:00:37,555 --> 01:00:39,890
[Garner] I came in on the west
side of the batch plant,
1030
01:00:39,974 --> 01:00:42,351
bailed out of the vehicle,
pulled my rifle out.
1031
01:00:42,434 --> 01:00:45,479
And I could hear
the squeaking of the tracks
1032
01:00:45,563 --> 01:00:49,108
and the roaring of the engine,
the banging into the building,
1033
01:00:49,191 --> 01:00:51,193
but I still didn't see anything.
1034
01:00:51,277 --> 01:00:54,113
Once I got close to the building
around skirting
1035
01:00:54,196 --> 01:00:57,324
an irrigation ditch,
Marv come around the building
1036
01:00:57,408 --> 01:01:00,995
in that bulldozer and that's
when I got my first look of it.
1037
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:04,707
I don't know, I expected
to see a bulldozer.
1038
01:01:04,790 --> 01:01:06,083
It looks like a tank.
1039
01:01:06,709 --> 01:01:11,422
There's this huge
black monstrosity.
1040
01:01:11,505 --> 01:01:15,801
I mean almost like
a WWI big boxy, rumbly tank.
1041
01:01:16,385 --> 01:01:19,763
And then the next thing
you're thinking is,
"how, how do you attack
1042
01:01:19,847 --> 01:01:22,558
something like this?
How do I stop this?"
1043
01:01:22,641 --> 01:01:26,103
When I arrived on scene,
I could hear
the bulldozer operating.
1044
01:01:26,187 --> 01:01:30,441
I walked around my vehicle
and saw this absolute behemoth.
1045
01:01:31,609 --> 01:01:34,820
Sergeant Rich Garner
was our designated marksman.
1046
01:01:34,904 --> 01:01:38,908
I just started shooting,
trying to aim for what
looked like a viewport.
1047
01:01:38,991 --> 01:01:41,869
We made the decision to begin
firing at the small portholes
1048
01:01:41,952 --> 01:01:44,496
that we could see in the side
of this bulldozer
1049
01:01:44,580 --> 01:01:49,001
but they were maybe
two inches by four inches
at the very most.
1050
01:01:49,084 --> 01:01:52,296
What I didn't know
was that these portholes
1051
01:01:52,379 --> 01:01:55,382
were covered with two sheets
of 1/2-inch Lexan,
1052
01:01:55,466 --> 01:01:58,093
which had me wondering how he
was actually driving this thing.
1053
01:01:58,177 --> 01:02:01,388
Garner stands there and takes
a few shots at the dozer.
1054
01:02:01,472 --> 01:02:03,557
Then all of a sudden
bang, bang.
1055
01:02:03,641 --> 01:02:05,684
I had two rounds go
right by my head
1056
01:02:05,809 --> 01:02:08,646
and I was like, "Oh,
I know what that noise is."
1057
01:02:09,605 --> 01:02:13,108
[Brower]
Marv fired his weapons and he
fired at a bunch of cops
1058
01:02:13,192 --> 01:02:15,694
that were standing behind
a wall of jersey barriers.
1059
01:02:15,778 --> 01:02:17,863
[Garner] You know
as we started firing
1060
01:02:17,947 --> 01:02:20,491
of course, the rounds were
having absolutely no effect
1061
01:02:20,574 --> 01:02:22,993
he saw three state troopers
behind
1062
01:02:23,077 --> 01:02:25,996
a stack of jersey barriers
that were next to the building.
1063
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,041
[over radio]
Watch out. The guy's gonna come
over here with a bulldozer.
1064
01:02:29,124 --> 01:02:31,877
[Garner] Instead of just going
by them, he turned
1065
01:02:31,961 --> 01:02:34,255
and drove directly
at those Jersey barriers.
1066
01:02:35,339 --> 01:02:38,133
[over radio] Come over.
Go, run! Come over. Come over.
1067
01:02:41,178 --> 01:02:45,140
If those troopers hadn't moved,
he'd have probably killed
all three of them.
1068
01:02:48,310 --> 01:02:51,939
He started proceeding eastbound
through the parking lot
1069
01:02:52,022 --> 01:02:55,985
and the construction area.
I had parked my vehicle on
the south side of the building.
1070
01:02:57,778 --> 01:03:01,115
[Garner] At that time,
Marv moved back around to
the south side of the building,
1071
01:03:01,198 --> 01:03:04,702
and Glenn Trainor's unmarked
vehicle was over there.
1072
01:03:04,785 --> 01:03:07,288
He put the blade up against
that and started pushing it.
1073
01:03:07,371 --> 01:03:09,540
He kept pushing it sideways,
sideways. Well, then
1074
01:03:09,623 --> 01:03:11,917
it caught the rims
on the wheels and actually
1075
01:03:12,001 --> 01:03:14,336
stopped it
and started flipping over.
1076
01:03:14,420 --> 01:03:16,213
He rolled over the top of it.
1077
01:03:18,299 --> 01:03:21,176
[Trainor] As he was heading
towards the highway,
1078
01:03:21,260 --> 01:03:23,721
somebody notified me
on the radio that the person
1079
01:03:23,804 --> 01:03:26,432
operating the bulldozer
was Marvin Heemeyer.
1080
01:03:26,515 --> 01:03:29,768
He was not gonna stop
at just the concrete plant.
1081
01:03:29,852 --> 01:03:31,437
[dramatic music]
1082
01:03:38,527 --> 01:03:42,573
[Marv]
I don't think that just knowing
what I am doing is enough.
1083
01:03:42,656 --> 01:03:44,783
I think God will bless me.
1084
01:03:44,908 --> 01:03:47,578
You get the machine done,
you drive it
1085
01:03:48,245 --> 01:03:51,498
to do the stuff that I have
to do up to a point.
1086
01:03:51,582 --> 01:03:54,668
Then you're either gonna blow me
right off the fucking streets,
1087
01:03:55,919 --> 01:03:59,381
I'm gonna have
a heart attack and die,
the machine's gonna break,
1088
01:03:59,465 --> 01:04:02,718
or maybe, maybe it'll go all day
and I'll run out of fuel.
1089
01:04:02,801 --> 01:04:05,429
I've got a lot of fuel
in that thing, let me tell you,
1090
01:04:06,263 --> 01:04:08,724
to do what I believe
needs to be done,
1091
01:04:08,807 --> 01:04:11,143
what God has inspired me to do.
1092
01:04:12,394 --> 01:04:14,438
I am the co-captain in my life.
1093
01:04:14,521 --> 01:04:16,732
God is first, I am second.
1094
01:04:16,815 --> 01:04:18,942
You have tried
to control my life.
1095
01:04:19,026 --> 01:04:21,820
You have tried to be
the captain of my life.
1096
01:04:21,945 --> 01:04:24,365
You do not run my life.
1097
01:04:24,448 --> 01:04:27,117
You do not determine
what I desire,
1098
01:04:27,201 --> 01:04:29,661
what I want, what I deserve.
1099
01:04:29,745 --> 01:04:32,790
I determine that
and my God determines that.
1100
01:04:32,873 --> 01:04:36,418
Not you people.
No people do that.
1101
01:04:36,502 --> 01:04:39,838
If they do, then you're
a slave to them.
1102
01:04:39,963 --> 01:04:42,216
I am not a slave to man.
1103
01:04:43,217 --> 01:04:45,260
I am a slave to God.
1104
01:05:06,407 --> 01:05:09,952
[Trainor]
As he was heading towards
the highway I began sending
1105
01:05:10,035 --> 01:05:13,288
notifications having
my deputies and supervisors
1106
01:05:13,372 --> 01:05:15,666
go out and begin
evacuating the town.
1107
01:05:15,749 --> 01:05:19,920
That's when Glenn
decided he was gonna try
to get up on top it.
1108
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,801
[Trainor] I got the idea
to climb up and see if I
could actually gain entry.
1109
01:05:25,884 --> 01:05:29,555
[Garner]
So he's clinging up and we
start running along with him,
1110
01:05:29,638 --> 01:05:31,432
trying to cover him.
1111
01:05:31,515 --> 01:05:33,308
[Trainor] I was expecting
to see, you know,
1112
01:05:33,392 --> 01:05:35,269
something with a handle
that I could pull up
1113
01:05:35,352 --> 01:05:38,522
and open. And there was
absolutely nothing.
1114
01:05:38,605 --> 01:05:42,526
You know,
it was solid sheet metal
from the front to the back.
1115
01:05:42,609 --> 01:05:44,987
The only thing
I did see up there
1116
01:05:45,070 --> 01:05:47,364
was there was some kind
of a vent
1117
01:05:47,448 --> 01:05:50,784
where it looked like there was
like an RV air conditioner.
1118
01:05:50,868 --> 01:05:54,455
He takes his pistol out and
starts trying to shoot into
1119
01:05:54,538 --> 01:05:57,458
some gaps
where the air conditioner was.
Of course, it does no good.
1120
01:05:57,541 --> 01:06:02,045
Then,
he's up there and he's just
riding along on this thing.
1121
01:06:02,129 --> 01:06:04,882
So then we started
coming up with maybe
getting some flashbangs.
1122
01:06:04,965 --> 01:06:08,469
[over radio]
I brought some flashbangs if
anybody needs 'em, this is 35.
1123
01:06:08,552 --> 01:06:11,346
[Garner] I'm throwing up these
flashbangs and Glenn's pulling
1124
01:06:11,430 --> 01:06:13,265
the pin on 'em and dumping
'em down the exhaust.
1125
01:06:13,348 --> 01:06:14,725
- Of course, they're going off.
- [explosion]
1126
01:06:14,808 --> 01:06:17,144
Whoo, big cloud of smoke
1127
01:06:17,227 --> 01:06:19,146
and everything come out.
No effect.
1128
01:06:21,940 --> 01:06:25,152
[Kraker]
It moves out of the immediate
little industrial area,
1129
01:06:25,235 --> 01:06:28,405
and the next building
that it hits is
Mountain Parks Electric.
1130
01:06:28,489 --> 01:06:30,365
[Broady] At the time
of my tenure on the board,
1131
01:06:30,449 --> 01:06:32,284
I worked
at Mountain Parks Electric,
1132
01:06:32,367 --> 01:06:34,745
so I don't know if there was
some interplay there.
1133
01:06:34,828 --> 01:06:37,539
[Trainor] He spent several
minutes just going in,
1134
01:06:37,623 --> 01:06:41,084
doing the damage, backing out,
going in, backing out,
1135
01:06:41,168 --> 01:06:43,879
the entire time of which I am
sitting up there, watching
1136
01:06:43,962 --> 01:06:47,132
this going on, knowing all along
that he was on his way
1137
01:06:47,216 --> 01:06:49,968
to the Granby Town Hall.
That was the next place he went.
1138
01:06:50,093 --> 01:06:52,429
[over radio] Let's get
a hold of Granby Town Hall.
1139
01:06:52,513 --> 01:06:55,224
Start moving away everything
over that way...
1140
01:06:55,307 --> 01:06:57,476
[Trainor] And that the town
hall was upstairs,
1141
01:06:57,559 --> 01:07:00,687
but our public library was
downstairs in the same building.
1142
01:07:00,771 --> 01:07:03,982
And there were kids and other
people inside the library.
1143
01:07:04,107 --> 01:07:05,692
Midday, I had my lunch break.
1144
01:07:05,776 --> 01:07:08,862
I did start hearing um,
what I thought--
1145
01:07:08,946 --> 01:07:10,531
I mean, it sounded like gunfire.
1146
01:07:10,614 --> 01:07:12,908
And then I started
seeing police cars,
1147
01:07:12,991 --> 01:07:15,494
like flying by
at high rates of speed.
1148
01:07:15,577 --> 01:07:17,996
I started hearing sirens.
I was hearing more gunfire.
1149
01:07:18,121 --> 01:07:20,707
And at that point, I decided
to go back to the library.
1150
01:07:20,791 --> 01:07:24,378
We issued a directive
to have a reverse 911 call
1151
01:07:24,461 --> 01:07:27,422
sent out to the community
to shelter in place.
1152
01:07:27,506 --> 01:07:30,884
Because after the first one,
we were just thinking
barricade everyone inside,
1153
01:07:30,968 --> 01:07:33,178
not knowing
that we were the target,
1154
01:07:33,262 --> 01:07:35,097
that there was a bulldozer
heading right there.
1155
01:07:35,180 --> 01:07:38,141
And then shortly after
that we got another call,
1156
01:07:38,225 --> 01:07:42,145
a 911 reverse call.
They were telling everyone,
"Evacuate your building now."
1157
01:07:42,229 --> 01:07:47,568
It took me
until that moment to realize
that my 11-year-old daughter
1158
01:07:47,651 --> 01:07:50,487
was in the basement
of that building in the library.
1159
01:07:50,571 --> 01:07:53,949
[over radio] Okay, he's
going east all the way to Napa.
1160
01:07:54,032 --> 01:07:57,202
[Trainor] The bulldozer
came out onto the highway
and pulled off,
1161
01:07:57,286 --> 01:08:00,539
and drove right into the lawn
area of the town hall.
1162
01:08:00,622 --> 01:08:04,543
Well, I elected to get off
at that point and did jump down.
1163
01:08:04,626 --> 01:08:08,297
[Brower] Marv works his way
up around. He goes around
the back of the town hall,
1164
01:08:08,380 --> 01:08:10,632
destroying the children's
playground in the process,
1165
01:08:10,716 --> 01:08:13,260
turning all the little jungle
gyms and swing sets
1166
01:08:13,343 --> 01:08:16,888
into just curled
and twisted spaghetti
in the backyard there.
1167
01:08:16,972 --> 01:08:20,475
[Riley] But we did
gather up the kids and then we
drove them all to their houses,
1168
01:08:20,559 --> 01:08:23,895
We got there, turned the radio
on, and as soon we turned it on,
1169
01:08:23,979 --> 01:08:28,692
within seconds we heard
the radio announcer say that
he had just bulldozed town hall.
1170
01:08:29,484 --> 01:08:32,821
The dozer methodically
tore apart town hall.
1171
01:08:32,904 --> 01:08:39,536
[over radio] Everybody now,
needs to move... [indistinct]
Go for three to three.
1172
01:08:39,620 --> 01:08:44,041
[Garner]
From the town hall it went back
out to Main Street.
1173
01:08:44,124 --> 01:08:46,627
[Trainor]
We had this rolling roadblock
out in front of him,
1174
01:08:46,710 --> 01:08:49,713
the patrol units
and then behind him as well.
1175
01:08:49,796 --> 01:08:52,424
Somewhere during that time,
Norm Rimmer shows up
1176
01:08:52,507 --> 01:08:55,594
and he sees this camera
sticking out the back.
1177
01:08:55,677 --> 01:08:58,263
Then we start looking around
and we see another one.
1178
01:08:58,347 --> 01:09:02,392
That's when we figured out
that's how he was steering it,
was using the cameras.
1179
01:09:02,476 --> 01:09:06,438
Marv placed around the outside
of the dozer, five cameras.
1180
01:09:06,521 --> 01:09:09,608
He had them mounted to three
monitors inside the tank,
1181
01:09:09,691 --> 01:09:12,736
so he had views of the back,
front, and the sides.
1182
01:09:12,819 --> 01:09:16,114
He actually thought ahead enough
that there would be debris
1183
01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:19,326
and dust, so he rigged up
all these little hoses
1184
01:09:19,409 --> 01:09:21,912
to a compressed air tank
that's in the cab,
1185
01:09:21,995 --> 01:09:23,872
and he was able to open
the compressed air
1186
01:09:23,955 --> 01:09:26,750
to blow dust and debris
in front of his Lexan,
1187
01:09:26,833 --> 01:09:28,418
so he could still see
where he was going.
1188
01:09:28,502 --> 01:09:30,754
[Kraker]
As it's going down the highway,
1189
01:09:30,837 --> 01:09:32,506
more and more law enforcement
officers
1190
01:09:32,589 --> 01:09:34,508
were showing up,
people coming from home.
1191
01:09:34,591 --> 01:09:37,678
I started hearing gunfire
and sirens from my home,
1192
01:09:37,761 --> 01:09:40,639
so I got my police radio started
and I listening to the traffic
1193
01:09:40,722 --> 01:09:44,267
and I heard officers describing
being shot at
1194
01:09:44,351 --> 01:09:47,396
and something about a bulldozer
knocking buildings down.
1195
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:50,941
I thought the best thing to do
at the time was to grab
my camcorder,
1196
01:09:51,024 --> 01:09:55,112
so I followed him
around until he got
to, uh, Sky-Hi News.
1197
01:09:55,195 --> 01:09:58,699
[over radio]
This guy may possibly be going
after Patrick Brower.
1198
01:09:58,782 --> 01:10:03,120
[Brower] It was a regular news
day. We were working when
one of the sheriff's deputies
1199
01:10:03,203 --> 01:10:06,081
tells me, "Get out of here!
You're on the list."
I said, "What?"
1200
01:10:06,164 --> 01:10:10,585
He then leaves the building.
There's this large kinda gray,
dark monolith
1201
01:10:10,669 --> 01:10:13,797
driving down the road with two
police cars on either side.
1202
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:17,384
Right when he gets by the front
of the building he just takes
a sharp right turn.
1203
01:10:17,467 --> 01:10:20,595
The ground starts to shake.
You could hear the creaking
of the treads.
1204
01:10:20,679 --> 01:10:22,597
And we were
inside the building here.
1205
01:10:22,681 --> 01:10:25,058
And blam! Knocks down
the front wall of the building.
1206
01:10:25,142 --> 01:10:27,018
[crash]
1207
01:10:31,022 --> 01:10:32,858
[dramatic music]
1208
01:10:35,986 --> 01:10:40,323
[Trainor] Patrick and one
of his reporters are leaving
out the back of the building
1209
01:10:40,407 --> 01:10:42,701
as Marv is driving through
the front of the building.
1210
01:10:42,784 --> 01:10:45,579
[Brower]
The ground is literally
shaking under your feet.
1211
01:10:45,662 --> 01:10:48,540
It's 85 tons of it
just rolling, impervious.
1212
01:10:48,623 --> 01:10:51,376
Well, we immediately
start running out the back.
1213
01:10:51,460 --> 01:10:53,879
Marv continues
to take the dozer back
1214
01:10:53,962 --> 01:10:56,506
and smashes
into the front of the building.
He works his way around.
1215
01:10:57,132 --> 01:11:00,135
[Piechocki]
He just kept backing up,
knocking cars out of his way
1216
01:11:00,218 --> 01:11:03,513
taking a hit at the building
and backing up again,
taking another hit at it.
1217
01:11:03,597 --> 01:11:06,475
[Brower]
Literally, the ceiling's
caving in all around us.
1218
01:11:06,558 --> 01:11:08,560
I ran out the backdoor
with my camera around my neck,
1219
01:11:08,643 --> 01:11:10,395
and run up the side
of the building.
1220
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:12,898
There's a sheriff's deputy
with a shotgun.
1221
01:11:12,981 --> 01:11:15,066
I snap off a panicked photo,
1222
01:11:15,150 --> 01:11:18,153
then I started hearing gunfire.
I hear a few whizzes
1223
01:11:18,236 --> 01:11:20,739
over my head and I think,
"This is stupid.
I'm getting out of here."
1224
01:11:20,822 --> 01:11:23,158
[over radio] I'm coming.
Get people out of there!
1225
01:11:23,241 --> 01:11:26,912
And then finally
the entire building just
collapsing around itself.
1226
01:11:26,995 --> 01:11:30,165
- [indistinct radio chatter]
- [crash]
1227
01:11:31,917 --> 01:11:38,757
- [indistinct radio chatter]
- [gunshots]
1228
01:11:40,091 --> 01:11:43,428
[Piechocki]
There was a lot of metal
on metal screeching going on,
1229
01:11:43,512 --> 01:11:46,181
especially when he's pushing
cars out of the way.
1230
01:11:46,264 --> 01:11:49,476
There was a lot of screeching
noises from the treads
1231
01:11:51,353 --> 01:11:53,855
and it was just kind
of overwhelming, you know,
1232
01:11:53,939 --> 01:11:57,609
looking at and realizing,
you know, I don't have
a way of stopping this.
1233
01:11:57,692 --> 01:12:00,237
- None of us had
a way of stopping it.
- [police sirens]
1234
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:04,241
[Larry Thompson] The dozer goes
down to the east end of town.
1235
01:12:04,324 --> 01:12:07,869
They knew that we were
on the hit list,
so they hurried up up here
1236
01:12:07,953 --> 01:12:11,164
and we came across the flats
up here behind the town shop.
1237
01:12:11,248 --> 01:12:13,625
And the county cop stopped us.
1238
01:12:14,334 --> 01:12:16,586
He says,
"You're not going any farther.
We go, "Yeah, we are.
1239
01:12:16,670 --> 01:12:18,421
You can get your ass
down here and arrest me at home
1240
01:12:18,505 --> 01:12:20,507
if you want to, but we're
going down the hill."
1241
01:12:21,216 --> 01:12:23,885
[over radio]
That's the Thompson residence.
The bulldozer's headed there.
1242
01:12:23,969 --> 01:12:27,013
We need to have
everybody evacuated
out of the Thompsons' residence.
1243
01:12:28,098 --> 01:12:31,476
[Kraker] There's a little house
owned by Thompsons
1244
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:32,811
and their mother lives there.
1245
01:12:32,894 --> 01:12:34,271
I called her and she thought
1246
01:12:34,354 --> 01:12:35,605
I was joking with her. I said,
1247
01:12:35,689 --> 01:12:37,482
"You needed to get in the car,
1248
01:12:37,566 --> 01:12:39,317
just drive out of town.
Just get out of it."
1249
01:12:39,985 --> 01:12:42,696
[Garner] Marvin Heemeyer
is around Thompsons' shop.
1250
01:12:42,779 --> 01:12:44,698
The chief of Kremmling PD
showed up.
1251
01:12:44,781 --> 01:12:46,658
He rolls his window down
and said,
1252
01:12:46,741 --> 01:12:48,869
"Hey, Rich,
I got a surprise for you."
1253
01:12:48,952 --> 01:12:53,290
In the backseat is this big,
huge 50-cal silhouette gun.
1254
01:12:53,373 --> 01:12:56,543
And I picked up the gun
and I let loose with it.
1255
01:13:07,095 --> 01:13:08,471
No effect.
1256
01:13:09,806 --> 01:13:13,184
[Larry Thompson] It came down
the backstreet here,
knocked some trees down.
1257
01:13:13,810 --> 01:13:17,022
[Kraker] The dozer ran
right through the house.
1258
01:13:17,105 --> 01:13:18,773
It completely leveled the house.
1259
01:13:19,524 --> 01:13:21,151
[Gary Thompson]
She did get out safely.
1260
01:13:21,234 --> 01:13:22,986
My only concern was her.
1261
01:13:23,069 --> 01:13:24,821
Thelma Thompson was asleep
1262
01:13:24,905 --> 01:13:27,240
in the house
only 30 minutes before Marv
1263
01:13:27,324 --> 01:13:29,200
completely destroyed their home.
1264
01:13:29,910 --> 01:13:32,746
[Kraker] It started to destroy
a construction yard
1265
01:13:32,829 --> 01:13:34,873
that's owned
by Thompson & Sons,
1266
01:13:34,956 --> 01:13:37,584
systematically destroying
that area.
1267
01:13:41,671 --> 01:13:43,924
[Larry Thompson]
And then he turned and came
over to the shop here
1268
01:13:44,007 --> 01:13:46,760
we had a lowboy trailer
sitting out here,
and he shoved it
1269
01:13:46,843 --> 01:13:49,012
through the wall.
Then he went
down the street down here
1270
01:13:49,095 --> 01:13:50,972
and tipped over
another semitrailer we had.
1271
01:13:51,056 --> 01:13:52,891
He flat laid
it over on its side,
1272
01:13:52,974 --> 01:13:55,560
full of truck parts.
Then he went around
1273
01:13:55,644 --> 01:13:58,730
in front of her house and shoved
the Xcel Energy pickup
1274
01:13:58,813 --> 01:14:00,857
through our rental building.
1275
01:14:04,778 --> 01:14:08,198
Meanwhile,
this whole ridge is up here was
just covered with people,
1276
01:14:08,281 --> 01:14:13,787
following him through town,
watching what he was doing
like a circus.
1277
01:14:13,870 --> 01:14:16,665
Then after that it looked
like a war zone out here.
1278
01:14:16,748 --> 01:14:19,960
All the helicopters flying
around and all the news
trucks showing up.
1279
01:14:20,043 --> 01:14:23,088
And that's when he headed
off down the hill,
went down to Independent Gas.
1280
01:14:23,713 --> 01:14:26,675
[over radio]
Hey, would you make a general
broadcast all units
1281
01:14:26,758 --> 01:14:30,929
should evacuate
at least a thousand feet
1282
01:14:31,012 --> 01:14:33,974
back from the propane tanks
at Independent Gas.
1283
01:14:35,350 --> 01:14:37,143
[Piechocki]
I was on top of the hill
looking down on that.
1284
01:14:37,227 --> 01:14:39,187
All I saw was rows and rows
1285
01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:41,231
of propane tanks
of various sizes.
1286
01:14:41,314 --> 01:14:43,566
You know we're not talking
camping propane,
1287
01:14:43,650 --> 01:14:47,404
we're talking about, you know,
industrial-size propane tanks,
1288
01:14:47,487 --> 01:14:51,032
If you're standing in the farm,
looking up the hill,
1289
01:14:51,116 --> 01:14:54,035
you can see
a senior citizens' home,
1290
01:14:54,119 --> 01:14:56,579
a trailer park,
private residences.
1291
01:14:56,663 --> 01:15:00,792
There were a lot of homes,
a lot of people
in a blast area.
1292
01:15:00,875 --> 01:15:05,005
Well, Marv was by the propane,
shooting at the tanks.
1293
01:15:05,088 --> 01:15:07,799
[over radio]
Move back! He's shooting
at the tanks! Move back!
1294
01:15:07,882 --> 01:15:10,135
He was using
incendiary rounds,
1295
01:15:10,218 --> 01:15:12,595
so they made kind of a flash
and a puff of smoke.
1296
01:15:12,679 --> 01:15:14,597
[over radio]
He's shooting at the propane.
1297
01:15:14,681 --> 01:15:17,017
[gunshots]
1298
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,561
Piechoki] One of those bullets
could easily hit
1299
01:15:19,644 --> 01:15:22,230
a propane tank
and ignite it immediately.
1300
01:15:22,313 --> 01:15:24,482
There would have been a lot
of damage using these things
1301
01:15:24,607 --> 01:15:27,235
flying through the air,
landing on homes.
1302
01:15:27,318 --> 01:15:30,947
[over radio]
...he's got a 50-cal, he's
trying to take out the tanks
1303
01:15:31,031 --> 01:15:33,992
and transformers--
at Independent Propane
at this time.
1304
01:15:34,075 --> 01:15:38,455
[Piechocki] He had a ripper
on the backend of the bulldozer.
1305
01:15:38,538 --> 01:15:42,459
And when he would try
to maneuver it to get
the barrel of the gun
1306
01:15:42,542 --> 01:15:46,129
pointing
towards the propane tanks,
1307
01:15:46,212 --> 01:15:50,508
the ripper
was digging into the ground
and not going down far enough
1308
01:15:50,633 --> 01:15:53,928
to allow his armor
to get out of the way.
1309
01:15:54,012 --> 01:15:57,432
And the 50-caliber
was hitting his own armor.
1310
01:15:57,515 --> 01:16:00,935
You can see the shells hitting
the armor and bursting
1311
01:16:01,019 --> 01:16:04,647
into a puff of smoke and flame
when they hit his own armor.
1312
01:16:05,398 --> 01:16:09,194
[Trainor]
While one of his bullets did
penetrate the power transformer,
1313
01:16:09,277 --> 01:16:12,030
none of 'em penetrated
the actual propane tanks.
1314
01:16:12,113 --> 01:16:15,283
[man 1 over radio] Granby PD
also be advised, Federal Heights
is going to be in route
1315
01:16:15,366 --> 01:16:17,410
with their Peacekeeper
on its flatbed.
1316
01:16:17,494 --> 01:16:19,621
It'll take about two hours,
Summit County is also
1317
01:16:19,704 --> 01:16:22,791
-en route with a SWAT team.
[man 2] Ask them to help us get
1318
01:16:22,874 --> 01:16:25,210
the National Guard
units in here,
1319
01:16:25,293 --> 01:16:28,171
maybe with a helicopter
to stop this unit.
1320
01:16:28,254 --> 01:16:31,299
[man 1] You need a National
Guard unit and a helicopter?
1321
01:16:32,801 --> 01:16:37,138
[man 2]
Yeah, the uh, the Air National
Guard or Army National Guard,
1322
01:16:37,222 --> 01:16:40,725
uh, either out of Laramie
or out of Eagles.
1323
01:16:40,809 --> 01:16:43,394
And then that's when the county
scraper tried to stop him.
1324
01:16:43,478 --> 01:16:46,022
[over radio]
Yeah, I'm gonna try to bring
the scrapers down Highway 40.
1325
01:16:46,106 --> 01:16:47,941
We wanna know
where they need to go.
1326
01:16:48,024 --> 01:16:50,026
[Trainor] We had asked
for a bulldozer from
1327
01:16:50,110 --> 01:16:52,570
our road and bridge department.
The director
1328
01:16:52,654 --> 01:16:55,406
of Grand County Road and Bridge
was Clark Branstetter.
1329
01:16:55,490 --> 01:16:57,450
[over radio] Branstetter
on Road and Bridge, I've got
1330
01:16:57,534 --> 01:16:59,536
a scraper inside
of where the A&W used to be
1331
01:16:59,619 --> 01:17:02,247
on 40, where do you want me
to put this?
1332
01:17:02,330 --> 01:17:04,833
[Trainor] What he did do
is bring in two big earthmovers
1333
01:17:04,916 --> 01:17:06,918
or scrapers from the landfill.
1334
01:17:07,001 --> 01:17:09,879
[over radio] Let's get him
up here just as fast as we can.
1335
01:17:09,963 --> 01:17:13,550
[Trainor]
Clark Branstetter actually tried
to stop the bulldozer
1336
01:17:13,633 --> 01:17:16,261
at the top of the hill, going
back up onto the highway.
1337
01:17:16,344 --> 01:17:19,389
[over radio]
...contact the station,
we have a giant tractor
1338
01:17:19,472 --> 01:17:22,392
that is completely armored
with iron running over
1339
01:17:22,475 --> 01:17:26,271
all vital components,
including the compartment
with only complex.
1340
01:17:26,354 --> 01:17:31,067
He can fire out of firing way.
The driver is completely
enclosed with no entrance.
1341
01:17:31,151 --> 01:17:34,988
[man 1] Get him back! Stop him!
-[man 2]
I can't, he's got a dozer.
1342
01:17:35,071 --> 01:17:40,118
[indistinct radio chatter]
1343
01:17:41,369 --> 01:17:45,206
[Trainor] The bulldozer
just basically moved the scraper
just right out of the way.
1344
01:17:45,290 --> 01:17:48,209
[over radio]... He's going
out towards the highway!
1345
01:17:48,293 --> 01:17:51,296
[Trainor]
He went back up the hill,
back on to Main Street again.
1346
01:17:51,379 --> 01:17:55,675
[over radio]
We're at 4th and Main,
and 4th and Agate now.
1347
01:17:57,218 --> 01:18:01,431
Somewhere right in that
timeframe it appears that
he loses all his antifreeze.
1348
01:18:01,514 --> 01:18:04,809
There's a big white puff
of what would be the antifreeze
1349
01:18:04,893 --> 01:18:07,604
hitting hot metal components
from the engine
1350
01:18:07,687 --> 01:18:10,231
and there's a lot
of white smoke.
1351
01:18:10,315 --> 01:18:13,234
[over radio]
Copy, vehicle smoking
heavily at 4th and Agate.
1352
01:18:14,319 --> 01:18:17,864
[Trainor]
He damaged copycat printers
a bit while he's positioning
1353
01:18:17,947 --> 01:18:21,701
to get his bulldozer facing
towards the Gambles store.
1354
01:18:22,327 --> 01:18:26,331
[Farrell] He said, "Oh, he's
headed for Gambles". Oh, I don't
remember how the verbiage was.
1355
01:18:26,414 --> 01:18:29,417
And I just, my stomach went
like, just like a ball.
1356
01:18:29,500 --> 01:18:34,505
Just clinched
because I knew my life was gonna
be completely different.
1357
01:18:34,589 --> 01:18:37,675
The engine of the bulldozer
began overheating.
1358
01:18:44,515 --> 01:18:47,852
[Broady] I was
across the street, watching
as it came up the street,
1359
01:18:47,936 --> 01:18:53,691
and then watched as it turned
in to go down the side
of the Gambles store.
1360
01:18:53,775 --> 01:18:56,402
You can also tell
that he's starting to lose
power at this time.
1361
01:19:00,740 --> 01:19:05,703
And then it starts
methodically just tearing
apart that Gambles store.
1362
01:19:16,214 --> 01:19:20,510
[over radio] Here 33, Ft.
Collins is en route with a SWAT
team and an armored vehicle.
1363
01:19:21,761 --> 01:19:25,598
All units,
Grand, too, we need you
to move back towards the east.
1364
01:19:25,682 --> 01:19:27,934
Once again
start blocking traffic.
1365
01:19:28,851 --> 01:19:31,020
[Trainor]
He begins going down
the side of it, basically,
1366
01:19:31,104 --> 01:19:33,273
trying to rip the entire side
of the building off.
1367
01:19:35,191 --> 01:19:37,735
[Broady] The county had gotten
a belly scraper out.
1368
01:19:38,945 --> 01:19:41,823
They pulled that in behind
to block his way.
1369
01:19:45,285 --> 01:19:49,038
Having worked in the Gambles
store I knew what a lot
of people didn't know,
1370
01:19:49,122 --> 01:19:51,040
and that's that there was
a basement in there.
1371
01:19:54,794 --> 01:19:58,214
[Piechocki] So he took a run
at Gambles, not realizing
1372
01:19:58,298 --> 01:20:01,592
that the right hand side track
would go into the basement
1373
01:20:01,676 --> 01:20:04,387
and that left him stuck,
unable to move.
1374
01:20:10,977 --> 01:20:13,479
[Garner]
This is the first time
he's actually stopped,
1375
01:20:13,563 --> 01:20:15,898
and the machine shut down.
1376
01:20:15,982 --> 01:20:18,985
[engine turns off]
1377
01:20:19,652 --> 01:20:22,071
[Garner] But we don't
know what he's doing,
1378
01:20:22,155 --> 01:20:23,406
so we pulled everybody back.
1379
01:20:24,282 --> 01:20:25,742
[over radio]
Can you confirm your location?
1380
01:20:26,326 --> 01:20:27,952
Right now
the dozer is at Gambles
1381
01:20:28,036 --> 01:20:29,495
or what used to be Gambles.
1382
01:20:31,789 --> 01:20:37,003
One of the radio transmissions
at the time is, "Get ready
for a gunfight." It was...
1383
01:20:37,628 --> 01:20:41,632
where else are we going
with this? It just figures
we've gone this far,
1384
01:20:41,716 --> 01:20:44,677
now it's, you know,
does somebody pop out of it?
1385
01:20:44,761 --> 01:20:47,013
Does it just fire
from its position?
1386
01:20:47,096 --> 01:20:49,349
- [lighter strikes]
- [suspense music]
1387
01:21:00,568 --> 01:21:03,279
-[over radio]
We need a Grand 24...
-[Kraker] We started to pair up
1388
01:21:03,363 --> 01:21:05,490
people and get
some tactical advantage.
1389
01:21:05,573 --> 01:21:10,203
- [indistinct radio chatter]
- [police sirens]
1390
01:21:10,286 --> 01:21:12,789
[over radio] You need to go
down to Mountain Parks Concrete
1391
01:21:12,872 --> 01:21:15,083
and help secure
that bridge down there.
1392
01:21:15,166 --> 01:21:16,959
[slow music]
1393
01:21:32,308 --> 01:21:34,143
[Broady] And it was
a short time after that
1394
01:21:37,397 --> 01:21:38,773
a gunshot was heard.
1395
01:21:38,856 --> 01:21:40,149
[gunshot]
1396
01:21:47,156 --> 01:21:49,575
[Trainor]
A couple of sheriff's deputies
actually got on top of it
1397
01:21:50,159 --> 01:21:54,205
and were trying to figure out if
there was something they could
do, some way they could get in.
1398
01:21:54,288 --> 01:21:56,874
You know they had
the same luck that I had,
which is none.
1399
01:21:57,959 --> 01:22:00,878
[Kraker]
Some SWAT teams came up
from other jurisdictions
1400
01:22:01,003 --> 01:22:04,841
and attempted
to breach the bulldozer
with an explosive charge.
1401
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:10,388
And they started blasting
on the dozer.
1402
01:22:10,471 --> 01:22:14,100
All that did was put a,
a stain on the side of it.
1403
01:22:14,183 --> 01:22:16,060
When they triggered that
explosive device
1404
01:22:16,144 --> 01:22:17,854
it rattled the windows
in my house.
1405
01:22:17,937 --> 01:22:20,565
It was a tremendous,
tremendous explosion.
1406
01:22:21,649 --> 01:22:23,693
[Reed]
It didn't even dent the thing.
1407
01:22:23,776 --> 01:22:27,071
When the second blast happened,
they still didn't get in.
1408
01:22:27,947 --> 01:22:30,366
They said, "If he's not
already dead he is now."
1409
01:22:31,492 --> 01:22:34,245
And they basically
just brought a cutting torch up
1410
01:22:34,328 --> 01:22:39,584
and cut off the access point
to this air conditioning unit.
1411
01:22:41,043 --> 01:22:46,174
Entry
was finally gained some time
in the midmorning of the 5th.
1412
01:22:46,966 --> 01:22:48,759
[slow music]
1413
01:23:02,273 --> 01:23:05,776
[Piechocki] Afterwards,
we learned that he put the 357
1414
01:23:05,860 --> 01:23:09,238
into the roof of his mouth
and then pulled the trigger.
1415
01:23:09,322 --> 01:23:12,200
[over radio] All the cars'
working perimeters,
everybody is still okay.
1416
01:23:13,075 --> 01:23:15,411
No response means
everybody's okay.
1417
01:23:28,549 --> 01:23:30,343
[Trisha]
We all rode the sleds up
1418
01:23:31,469 --> 01:23:34,472
and let his ashes fly away.
1419
01:23:57,036 --> 01:23:58,204
[slow music]
1420
01:24:01,165 --> 01:24:04,293
[Larry Thompson]
Everybody couldn't wait to get
that dozer cut up, scrap it.
1421
01:24:04,377 --> 01:24:07,630
I think they made
a big mistake by not making
a museum out of the thing.
1422
01:24:07,713 --> 01:24:10,800
That'd made this town a ton
of money, a ton of money.
1423
01:24:12,301 --> 01:24:14,303
[Piechocki] They went
to Blair's Machine Shop.
1424
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:19,225
He torched the thing
into small pieces
1425
01:24:19,308 --> 01:24:24,063
and disposed of the scrap steel
so that no one person
could get a hold of it
1426
01:24:25,314 --> 01:24:28,067
and say,
"Here's my shrine to Marv."
1427
01:24:33,364 --> 01:24:35,533
[Marv] This tape's probably got
a lot of emotion in it,
1428
01:24:35,616 --> 01:24:39,453
and, uh, anybody listening
to it, you know, you need to...
1429
01:24:40,371 --> 01:24:42,623
uh... realize that.
1430
01:24:43,874 --> 01:24:47,795
And just take it
from there, you know.
1431
01:24:47,878 --> 01:24:51,632
Anyway, hey, I hope you all have
a great time and good life.
1432
01:24:51,716 --> 01:24:56,554
I've had a great life.
And I'm gonna put this tape
1433
01:24:56,637 --> 01:24:58,514
and tape recorder
in a plastic bag
1434
01:24:58,598 --> 01:25:01,309
for somebody else
to try to figure it out.
1435
01:25:02,393 --> 01:25:03,644
Well, see you later.
1436
01:25:05,187 --> 01:25:06,647
[slow music]
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