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Welcome to a special series of "Missing Links,"

where your questions get answered.

I'm your host, Tiffany Bush, and I'm also

the head of the member support team here at Gaia.

And with me today is the star of the show, Gregg Braden.

We're here to answer your questions from the first season

of "Missing Links."

Gregg, it's a pleasure to have you.

Thank you so much for joining me today.

Thank you so much.

I don't know about you.

Does it seem like these sessions go by really fast?

Yes.

Yes.

It does for me as well.

I know the title of what we're doing today.

I don't know the questions, and I'm really

excited to talk about this topic.

So I'm going to let you lead with first question.

Thank you.

I'm so excited to share these questions.

We get so many from the members that have all these burning

questions.

The first one is from Aaron.

He wants to know, is it possible that there

were civilizations that dated back to billions of years?

As a degreed geologist, scientifically,

I have to say the answer is probably not possible

because Earth, right now, is scientifically dated at 4.5

billion years old.

And that comes from three different sources.

They've dated the solar system itself, meteorites.

There's a process of dating lead isotopes on the Earth,

and the age of the crust of the Earth itself.

And all three of those-- if it was just one,

I could question it.

All three of them are pointing to the same date, 4.5 billion

years, when the Earth formed.

And after the Earth formed, it had

to go through a cooling process that

would take quite a bit of time.

So I think what we're finding is that civilization

is much older than we've ever been led to believe.

And I think we're probably talking--

now, we've been led to believe that civilization,

that modern civilization, advanced technological

civilization, began about 5,000, 5,500 years ago.

Scientifically, that date is now pushed back almost three times

to 15,000 years before present.

So Gobekli Tepe is now dated into the last ice age.

However, I believe the new evidence--

this is changing so quickly, Tiffany.

As climate change melts the ice on Antarctica,

on the continent of Antarctica, the Earth penetrating radar

is now able to pick up images underneath that ice suggesting,

large scale complex civilization at the bottom of the ice,

and that implies one of two things.

Either it was built while the ice was there,

somebody dug down through the ice to build this,

or it was there when the ice formed,

and that dates back over 20,000 plus years.

So I think what we're finding is we're

writing a new history of civilization,

and the dates are changing so fast.

The textbooks and the classrooms have yet to catch up,

and we're still teaching our young people civilization is

5,000 years old.

Thank you.

So Jeff P wants to know, what are

your thoughts on extraterrestrial involvement

in the origin of humanity?

And did extraterrestrial fellow beings

create us in their image?

Sure this, again, it comes down to language.

It depends on how we define extraterrestrial.

What I'll say is the science--

and I do talk about this in "Missing Links."

The new genetic discoveries are telling us,

beyond any reasonable doubt, that evolution

as we've been led to believe, Darwin's theory of evolution,

is a fact in the world.

It is not the human story.

Humans appeared suddenly on Earth about 200,000 years ago.

We have not changed since we appeared.

We are today as we were 200,000 years ago.

That's not Darwin's idea of evolution.

And what makes us who we are, what gives us our humanness,

is the result of a genetic fusion, a fusion of DNA,

that gives us the human qualities, specifically

in human chromosome number two.

We now know that this is the result of a fusion of DNA

beyond the fusion.

Fusions we see sometimes happen in nature,

but here's the giveaway.

After the chromosomes were fused to give us our human chromosome

number two-- second largest chromosome

in the human body, 8% of every cell.

It's the chromosome that gives us

the cortex in our brain, that allows us logic, compassion,

empathy, sympathy-- all of that comes from human chromosome

number two.

After the chromosomes were fused to give us that, there--

two complete and whole chromosomes were fused.

Once that fusion happened, you can

see where there would be overlapping or redundant

functions because they were complete before,

and now, when you put them together,

those functions are going to overlap.

So those overlapping functions were turned off,

and in some cases, removed completely to optimize

the new human chromosome two.

That's something that cannot happen in evolution,

at least as we know it today.

It implies an intentionality.

That intentionality is referenced

in every indigenous tradition that I

have ever, ever studied, including

ancient Sumerian civilization.

Every indigenous tradition talks about us

being the product of an intentional act

from an intelligent source of life

that originates from some other part of the universe,

and is not necessarily native to this world.

And also suggests that we are hybrids,

because those traditions tell us that, while we are made

of the dust of the Earth, as the terms they use,

or the minerals of the Earth, we're also

infused with qualities from these higher intelligences.

And if we're going to call those the extraterrestrials--

I'm not even really sure what that term means anymore.

Just means not from Earth, as we know it today.

Maybe they have been here in the past.

I don't know.

So it implies the engineering of DNA to give us our humanness,

and that that was, in fact, facilitated

by something other than random acts of evolution.

That makes sense if I answered that way?

It does, and I think--

It's a big question, and I want to honor it.

But I also know that we're limited on time,

and I want to do my best here.

We are.

So maybe this question from Cliff might be a good one.

He says, how old do you think the Earth actually is,

and when do you think the human was created?

OK, perfect.

We know, as I mentioned, geologically, I

think we've got a pretty good date on the Earth--

4.5 billion years for the Earth.

Humankind, what are called anatomically modern humans,

showed up 200,000 years ago.

When I was in school back in the '50s, '60s,

they were called Cro-Magnon, and we

were taught that it was some kind of a caveman.

Now, we know that Cro-Magnon--

they're able-- this is so amazing.

They're able to pull the DNA from fossilized remains,

the bone marrow of these beings.

It's like "Jurassic Park" stuff.

They can actually pull the DNA out of the fossils

and build the genome, and what they know is that they are us,

and we are them.

We haven't changed.

So we appeared-- anatomically modern humans appeared

200,000 years ago, but there doesn't

appear to be an evolutionary path that led to us.

So like, boom, we showed that, and that's the mystery.

How can that happen?

The genetic engineering now is telling us how it happened.

It cannot tell us why it happened.

So we do know that we were created with lots

of capabilities, and one, going back a long time ago,

pyramid technology.

So this is a question that I actually submitted,

and maybe this is a good way to talk about this.

But we know that sound healing, sound technology,

helped create--

or possibly create the huge pyramids that we see.

Inside those pyramids, there's a lot of healing capabilities

that have been proven out.

So the big question is, we have this great knowledge, so one,

is anyone doing anything about it

to make this a reality for the general population,

like access to healing through pyramid

technology or sound healing?

And then just why don't you think more people

are doing things like this?

To answer the question, I have to go back to the way it

was phrased, in terms of the way pyramids were built.

As a scientist, I have to say, scientifically,

there's no evidence suggesting the pyramids were built using

any kind of sound technology.

It's a theory that's out there, and it certainly is possible,

but the evidence doesn't support it.

When I was in Egypt in the 1980s, for example,

they were doing core samples into the building blocks

of the pyramid because they thought that the pyramid was

built of limestone that they carved out of the cliff

and moved and put in place.

The core samples told them that's not true,

that the Great Pyramid, for example,

when they took those core samples, if it

were a naturally occurring rock, it would have layers.

It would have fossilized seashells if it's limestone.

And what they found was that it wasn't layered.

It was completely homogeneous.

There were air bubbles and traces of human hair

that were in the rock.

What scientists now believe, those

that were doing the study, is that that rock

is an artificial stone.

It's pulverized of natural rock, mixed with an epoxy,

and poured.

The stones were poured in place to give them

the high tolerances, the close fit.

That way you don't have to get the stone-- you pour it

in place.

You don't have to carry it up, so I just want to say that.

There are healing properties that are known within pyramids,

and that technology is embraced in some capacities

to those that are open to it.

Others are not.

We may never see it openly in our society

because of what we've been taught about physics

and the way things work.

So there are commercial applications using pyramid

technology, and some of those--

for example, in some northern European countries,

they're using pyramid shaped packages

to package the yogurt because the yogurt doesn't go bad.

They're using the pyramid--

they call them chargers for razor blades

because the razor blades won't dull

when they're placed under these after they're used each day.

So those-- the principles are being incorporated

some commercial ways.

Whether or not we ever live in a pyramid based society or not,

I don't-- personally, I don't see that happening right now

because I think society doesn't see a need for what is offered

in that technology.

Melinda Sweet wants to address the Flat Earth theory.

We talked a little bit about that

in season two episode one of "Buzzsaw."

We asked Billy Carson his take on that.

But Melinda wants to know as well,

and that the reason is because the ancient cosmologies have

indicated that the world is a plain.

So can you address that?

I can address it.

I'm a degreed geologist.

I have looked into this to satisfy my own curiosity.

So let me share with our viewers what I have found, personally,

and then they can do with it whatever

they would like to do with it.

I believe that the evidence overwhelmingly

supports a curved Earth, a spherical Earth.

I've talked to astronauts that have been in space,

and their experience of what they've seen

and what they have photographed, so that's their experience.

And I said, well, OK, I want my own experience,

so I've done my own experiments.

If we had a Flat Earth, I think the phenomenon of the Eclipse

would not function the way that it does.

When we see an eclipse, the shadow of the Earth

on the moon, it's a sphere.

It's a circle.

Well, I have to say it's a circle.

We don't know a sphere, but it is a circle.

It's not flat.

When an experiment that I've done-- if I take two

sticks, and I put them in the ground

the shadow is going to be cast exactly the same,

and if we were living on a Flat Earth,

the shadows would be different.

When I'm at the beach, and I see a ship coming

to me on the horizon, if this was a Flat Earth it would start

is a tiny speck in the distance, and I would see the full ship,

and it would simply become larger as it came to me.

The reality of what happens is when

you see that ship in the distance,

first you see the top of the ship,

and as it gets a little closer, you

see a little more and a little more

because it is coming up over a spherical geometry rather

than a flat geometry.

I minored mathematics in school, and I

think that the mathematics and the geometry that we use,

that put us on the moon, and that

has worked well enough to send our probes to other planets,

and even land a probe on a moving asteroid

and Earth, that is all based on spherical geometry

of a spherical planet, and the trajectories

of other spherical planets.

That math would not work if this were a Flat Earth.

So my personal feeling is, when the ancients talked about it,

I don't think they mean it literally.

They did talk about it, but I don't think

it was in a literal sense.

So that's what I have to say to honor my audience

and my own experience as a scientist.

And I'm open to new possibilities,

and if somebody could show me the evidence otherwise,

I'm certainly open to that.

Thank you.

Try your own experiments, people.

Go out and do your own experiments and see.

Debi Brown wants to know, is it true that alien beings live

inside the Earth, which supposedly has its own sun

and water like another world inside the Earth?

Yeah, this is the Hollow Earth theory.

You know, I studied this.

I saw it first proposed in the 19--

well, early part of the 20th Century.

And I studied this back in the '60s and '70s,

and I've continued to study because I

am open to all possibilities.

As a geologist-- it's interesting,

my background is in geology because it's

given me the tools to answer, you know,

a lot of these questions.

I worked in seismic geology right out of college,

and seismic geology is where we send vibration

into the Earth in a number of different ways.

We can do it with a device that hits the Earth very hard

and sends waves down, and we can do it with small explosions.

We can do it with different kinds of radio waves.

But the point is that the waves travel at different speeds

through different media, and what

we find is that there is resistance to the waves

all the way down to the core.

So they travel through the crust of the Earth,

the thickest part, at one speed, and they try--

and then they bounce back, and they

travel through the mantle at a different speed

because it is more molten, and then they bounce back.

And then there's an outer core, and then there

is an inner core.

They believe it's solid iron nickel, probably

is what they're looking at right now,

that allows the magnetic field of the Earth.

If the Earth were hollow, we would

have space where those waves--

there's no resistance.

They'd travel so fast, and they would come back,

and then they don't tell us that.

Now, having said that, where I think this idea comes from--

the crust is the thickest part of the earth,

and I think the crust is riddled with catacombs, tunnels,

artificial tunnels that were created from lava tubes,

and things like that, that have been used in ancient times

because they exist.

If they're there, why not use them?

Almost universally, the creation stories, native peoples,

talk about emerging from underneath the Earth

after the times of cataclysm where

they were safe, to emerge in the new world of the surface.

And I've always sensed, from talking

to my indigenous friends, that they're

talking about preexisting caverns that can go very, very

deep, but it's not a hollow Earth,

and there's not another sun per se living within the Earth.

Is it possible that beings from the past

or beings from other worlds could occupy those to have--

so they're not so obvious now?

Absolutely, I think.

I don't personally have any experience with it.

I wouldn't be surprised to find that that's true,

or to find that some of the life forms of the past that we

thought were extinct actually still exist

in some of these places.

They show up every once in a while,

and you say, how could they have hidden for all this time?

Bigfoot is a perfect example.

The high deserts of northern New Mexico, my home,

are littered with these underground caverns that

have been, and continue to be, used

for a number of different purposes.

So I think that might be where the Hollow Earth come-- not so

much a hollow Earth per se, but a tunneled crust that

goes very deep, that could very well appear to be hollow,

a hollow Earth.

Does that makes sense?

Have I-- is that a good--

No, it does-- yeah, absolutely, that was a great,

great explanation.

Thank you.

If the Earth were hollow, those waves would react

differently when they come back up,

and I'm all about empirical science and being honest with

myself.

Let's talk about the vibrational frequencies.

Christopher Wolf wants to know, do you

consider progression of time as a change in vibration?

Is the ancient past or distant future

just a perceptual change in frequency?

So it's a really good question.

A very famous scientist once said,

time is what happens to keep everything

from running together, and if you think about it,

I think it makes a lot of sense.

Time, I believe, is fractal, and what I

mean by that is the experiences that we

have in one point in our lives repeat on a rhythmic,

a cyclic basis, again to a greater degree,

and again to a greater degree.

So rather than being linear, I think time is cyclic itself,

and I think our perception of time

is directly linked to vibration and to emotion.

It's our emotional attachment to the events as they're occurring

and the ability of our emotions to link us into a quantum

field in a very precise way.

We are both quantum and mechanistic beings.

Time is one of the greatest mysteries.

And human emotion, that's been discounted

by modern science in many respects,

is actually, in the ancient traditions,

is the key to mastering this quantum

world, the key to mastering time travel,

the key to mastering healing.

It's all about emotions.

Interesting.

And no other form of life has the ability to trigger

the emotions intentionally at will the way that we do

as humans.

I'm not saying they don't have them,

but we have the ability to bring them into play

when we feel they are appropriate in ways

that we feel are appropriate.

No other form of life, to the best of my knowledge,

gets up in the morning and says, today, you know,

I'm going to trigger this kind of emotion

or this kind of healing in my body in this moment.

Mandy Sims wants to know if you've discovered anything

recently, after the show, and anything that proves that

humans have been on this planet longer than scientifically

proven?

You know, after the show was the election,

and everything just kind of went crazy after that.

No, I-- I believe that the more discoveries that are revealed--

and I'm a scholar.

I'm a researcher.

I spend a tremendous amount of time

researching new discoveries.

I belong to scientific organizations,

the American Association for the Advancement of Science, AAAS.

I'm still active in some of the geologic organizations

that I've participated with in the past.

It's all about a perspective.

The discoveries are there, but the discoveries

are not given context.

So scientists simply-- they make a discovery,

and they put it out there.

So for example, scientists now are in agreement

that human chromosome number two is

the result of an ancient fusion of preexisting chromosomes.

That is scientifically accepted.

They're stuck because there's no context for what

to do with that.

They say, well, what do we do with that?

Well, there's another discovery in chromosome number seven.

There's a gene called the FOXP2, F-O-X P2, chromosome.

Other primates have this chromosome,

and they've had it for 75 million years.

It's never changed.

200,000 years ago, precisely the time

when humans, anatomically modern humans appeared, that FOXP2--

two little letters were shifted and gave us

the ability for complex language and speech in a way

that no other form of life has.

The fact that it happened precisely when humans emerged,

the fact that it's never happened

in the ape family, the precision and the intentionality

that it takes to make that simple switch,

and the fact that it happened at the same time human chromosome

number two is being fused, to me are genetic evidence.

It doesn't say that it did happen.

It lends to the credibility, correlates

with the origin of humans.

It tells us that we, our story, is not evolution.

There's much more to our story than human evolution,

and when we can embrace that fact,

then we can dedicate our brilliant minds

of brilliant scientists, men and women,

and the tremendous energy, and the resources, and the funding,

and the backing of the universities,

to revealing the new human story rather than spinning our wheels

on a 150-year-old story that has gotten us nowhere in 150 years

because the evidence has led us to a dead end.

I talked about this a little earlier on a podcast.

Here's the deal.

There's a huge difference between taking

the new discoveries and forcing them into a preexisting

theory like evolution, and allowing the new discoveries

to lead to the story that they tell,

and my proposal is let's do just that.

Let's allow the new discoveries to lead us to what--

and be honest with ourselves about what

it's saying, rather than fighting to hold on

to a story that has not budged since it was proposed

in 1859 with Darwin's theory of evolution,

because that story is no longer serving us,

and the evidence doesn't support it.

The physical evidence and the DNA evidence

doesn't support it.

What do you think it'll take to let that story go.

It's happening right now.

There-- the scientists who are fighting,

struggling to hang onto that story,

they're the ones you see in prominent view in the media.

Behind the scenes, there is a whole cadre of scientists.

They've signed-- there's a petition that you can actually

view on the worldwide web, that say we don't know what

did happen, but we know evolution's not our story,

and we would like the freedom to pursue this.

But think about this-- if you're a tenured university professor,

if you're working in a corporation,

or if you're a university grad student,

and your funding hinges on a corporation

who has a vested interest in evolutionary theory

because it's making drugs based on that, pharmaceuticals

or something, they don't have the freedom

to move forward with this.

My reputation as a scientist was shot

the minute I started talking about spirituality and science.

The minute I combine those two, you

know, in terms of publishing credible scientific papers--

and it's not me.

Other authors have had the same experience.

And I'm OK with that because I would rather

research thoroughly the new discoveries

and share them with a broad general audience

to bring this information forward quickly,

than publish to a small selected audience

where the general public never sees these things.

And it works.

Quick example-- in 2007, I wrote a book

called "The Divine Matrix."

It's about the field of energy that connects all things.

It was considered fringe in 2007.

There were bookstores that put it on the occult bookshelf

in the back.

Today, that book is a textbook in leading universities

in the physics department that are teaching-- physics

and consciousness is what they're teaching together,

and it's become a "New York Times" bestseller,

and it's become a classic in the physics text.

In, what was that, 12 years--

so in that short a period of time,

by taking my case to the mainstream with peer reviewed

science backed up--

I mean, rock solid science from Princeton University

and leading science, it just wasn't well-known.

It's now almost common knowledge.

Everybody says, sure, we're connected with the field.

Of course.

You know, the question is now, what do we do with that field?

And that's where we all get to chime in.

You mentioned a few of the books that you've written.

Are you working on any new books now?

Oh, I'm so happy that you asked me that question.

I was working on a new book that is now complete.

Two weeks ago, I pushed the Send button on my computer,

and I sent the finished manuscript for a new book

that is entitled "Human by Design--

From Evolution by Chance to Transformation by Choice,"

is the subtitle.

We've touched on some of the topics.

The bottom line-- the book is essentially two parts.

The first part of the book is the science.

It's not technical, and it's a lot of fun

to read the case histories.

But it's the science that is showing us

that there's something very precious and very

unique and very special about us, our origin, and human life,

that we're more than an accident of nature

or a fluke of biology, some random atoms

happened to come together just the right time

to create random molecules that came together

just the right time under just the right conditions

to create the human body, and boom, here we are.

There's much more to us than that.

The second part of the book is, now that we know that,

what does it mean in our lives?

How do we apply the extraordinary abilities--

and we touched on some of these, deep intuition, empathy,

self-healing on demand, enhanced immune system on demand,

resilience to change?

How do we-- direct access to our subconscious

when we choose to have it.

All of these abilities are made possible to us

through the fusion of the DNA that makes us human, that gives

us our humanness.

Our ancestors knew this, and they used many

of these in the mystical sense.

My belief is that what we've always

called extraordinary abilities are actually ordinary abilities

that we're meant to embrace in our everyday lives,

to become better people, to create a better world,

that have been forgotten.

And so my hope is, first, by describing

how we have come to be as we are,

we can embrace ourselves as something very unique, very

precious, very special, and open the door

to applying those abilities in our lives.

And this has a tremendous social context

because the book answers the question who are we.

The way we answer that question, the way our young people

answer the question, who am I, when they're in school--

that determines how they respond when

they are bullied by another person,

whether it's cyber bullying or direct bullying.

It determines when those young people create the bullying

towards other people.

It's all based on the way we think of ourselves,

and when a young person knows with rock solid certainty

that there is something very unique, very special, very

valuable, and that they have tremendous worth,

they will interpret that bullying very differently

from a young person who believes there's

nothing special about life, that we're the process of this--

the result of this random process.

There's nothing special about it, and they're lost.

They don't have an identity.

So when they are ridiculed at a very vulnerable age,

and they believe that, sometimes, they

go as far as to even take their own lives because they

believe they're not worth--

they're not worth being in this world.

And that's just one example.

But the way we answer the question who are we--

it defines the way we build our society,

the way we solve our problems, what kind of relationships

we create, who we share our homes with,

who we share our bed with.

I mean, let's get real, as adults, it's

all based on who am I, the way we heal our bodies,

the way communities and nations come together

to defend themselves.

When we send an army into another nation,

and how we treat those people-- as different

as all of those things are, it all comes down to who are we.

And we've been led to believe, and we've

been steeped in a story that's not true.

It's a false story of separation, competition,

conflict, that there's nothing special about us

and about life, and we have the opportunity now

to raise an entire new generation

with a new understanding, a new belief that empowers them,

helps them to be the best people they can be.

Lovely.

Well, thank you for being our teacher,

so that we can be teachers in the world as well.

Thank you for being on the show today.

It's been a pleasure.

Tiffany, I've tremendously enjoyed this series and really

enjoyed working with you today.

Thank you so much.

That's all the member questions we have for you

today.

I'm your host, Tiffany Bush.

Thank you so much for tuning in to hear

your questions being answered.

Stay tuned for new material from Gregg Braden.

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