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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,919 Richard Trenton Chase had a thing for 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:07,559 blood he also had a fear of 3 00:00:04,919 --> 00:00:09,780 disintegrating he would hold oranges on 4 00:00:07,559 --> 00:00:11,939 his head believing vitamin C would be 5 00:00:09,779 --> 00:00:14,218 absorbed by his brain via diffusion 6 00:00:11,939 --> 00:00:16,198 Chase also believed that his cranial 7 00:00:14,218 --> 00:00:18,539 bones had become separated and were 8 00:00:16,199 --> 00:00:21,060 moving around so he shaved his head to 9 00:00:18,539 --> 00:00:24,359 be able to watch this activity born May 10 00:00:21,059 --> 00:00:27,059 23 1950 he liked to set fires as a child 11 00:00:24,359 --> 00:00:29,519 and to torment animals he had a sister 12 00:00:27,059 --> 00:00:31,320 four years younger and his father was a 13 00:00:29,518 --> 00:00:33,359 strict disciplinarian who bickered 14 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:36,659 constantly with his wife by the time 15 00:00:33,359 --> 00:00:38,759 Richard was 10 he was killing cats as a 16 00:00:36,659 --> 00:00:40,979 teenager he dranked and smoked marijuana 17 00:00:38,759 --> 00:00:43,199 getting into trouble several times but 18 00:00:40,979 --> 00:00:45,659 showing no shame over it he dated 19 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:47,700 several girls one of whom reported that 20 00:00:45,659 --> 00:00:49,679 Rick was unable to perform sexually 21 00:00:47,700 --> 00:00:52,020 because he could not keep an erection 22 00:00:49,679 --> 00:00:54,840 this problem bothered him and when he 23 00:00:52,020 --> 00:00:56,340 was 18 he went to see a psychiatrist he 24 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,800 learned that a root cause of impotence 25 00:00:56,340 --> 00:01:00,059 was repressed anger the psychiatrist 26 00:00:58,799 --> 00:01:02,640 also thought he might be suffering from 27 00:01:00,058 --> 00:01:04,859 from a major Mental Illness but did not 28 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,540 suggest he be committed after he moved 29 00:01:04,859 --> 00:01:08,400 out of his parents home he went through 30 00:01:06,540 --> 00:01:10,560 a series of Roommates many of whom 31 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,960 reported his bizarre behavior and heavy 32 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:15,840 drug use even the few friends he had 33 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:18,118 considered him weird once he nailed shut 34 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:20,820 his bedroom closet door because people 35 00:01:18,118 --> 00:01:22,799 were invading his space from in there he 36 00:01:20,819 --> 00:01:24,658 was preoccupied with any sign that 37 00:01:22,799 --> 00:01:26,640 something was wrong with him which held 38 00:01:24,659 --> 00:01:28,560 true throughout his adult life and he 39 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,180 once entered an emergency room looking 40 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,519 for the person who had stolen his 41 00:01:30,180 --> 00:01:34,080 pulmonary artery he also complained that 42 00:01:32,519 --> 00:01:35,819 the bones were coming out through the 43 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:37,560 back of his head that his stomach was 44 00:01:35,819 --> 00:01:39,779 backward and that his heart often 45 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,700 stopped beating another psychiatrist 46 00:01:39,780 --> 00:01:43,079 diagnosed him as paranoid schizophrenic 47 00:01:41,700 --> 00:01:44,820 but thought he might actually be 48 00:01:43,078 --> 00:01:47,219 suffering from drug induced toxic 49 00:01:44,819 --> 00:01:49,859 psychosis he was put under observation 50 00:01:47,219 --> 00:01:51,539 for 72 hours and it was recommended that 51 00:01:49,859 --> 00:01:53,219 he stay but he was allowed to leave 52 00:01:51,540 --> 00:01:55,740 whenever he wanted without obtaining 53 00:01:53,219 --> 00:01:58,679 permission eventually he was released 54 00:01:55,739 --> 00:02:00,719 his life grew increasingly slovenly and 55 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:03,000 he submersed into hypochondria and drug 56 00:02:00,719 --> 00:02:06,298 abuse he was five foot eleven and 57 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:08,520 weighed only 145 pounds he lived with 58 00:02:06,299 --> 00:02:10,739 his mother for a while now divorced but 59 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,599 believed he was being poisoned his 60 00:02:10,739 --> 00:02:14,819 father made him move out and got him an 61 00:02:12,598 --> 00:02:16,859 apartment Chase soon began to kill and 62 00:02:14,818 --> 00:02:19,679 disembowel rabbits that he either caught 63 00:02:16,860 --> 00:02:21,660 or bought and to eat their entrails raw 64 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,520 sometimes he would put the intestines 65 00:02:21,659 --> 00:02:25,919 with the animal's blood into a blender 66 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,599 liquefy them and drink this concoction 67 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,280 in an effort to keep his heart from 68 00:02:27,598 --> 00:02:31,500 shrinking to the point of disappearing 69 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:34,378 from his body he once injected rapid 70 00:02:31,500 --> 00:02:36,060 blood into his veins and got very ill he 71 00:02:34,378 --> 00:02:37,979 believed this rabbit had ingested 72 00:02:36,060 --> 00:02:40,560 battery acid that had seeped into his 73 00:02:37,979 --> 00:02:42,959 stomach but in fact he had a bad case of 74 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,759 blood poisoning finally he was committed 75 00:02:42,959 --> 00:02:47,340 as a schizophrenic suffering from 76 00:02:44,759 --> 00:02:49,620 somatic delusions the doctors tried 77 00:02:47,340 --> 00:02:51,598 antipsychotic medications which failed 78 00:02:49,620 --> 00:02:53,400 to work indicating that his psychosis 79 00:02:51,598 --> 00:02:57,000 may have been precipitated by his drug 80 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:59,099 abuse in 1976 he escaped and showed up 81 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,959 at his mother's house he was returned to 82 00:02:59,098 --> 00:03:03,060 the hospital ending up up at Beverly 83 00:03:00,959 --> 00:03:06,120 Manor a facility for mental patients 84 00:03:03,060 --> 00:03:08,039 where he earned the nickname Dracula he 85 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,780 often spoke about killing rabbits and 86 00:03:08,039 --> 00:03:12,419 one day he was found with blood around 87 00:03:09,780 --> 00:03:14,878 his mouth two dead birds their necks 88 00:03:12,419 --> 00:03:17,759 broken lay outside his window the 89 00:03:14,878 --> 00:03:19,679 classic Renfield syndrome eventually he 90 00:03:17,759 --> 00:03:21,959 was released and deemed no longer danger 91 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:24,239 to anyone that's what they believed 92 00:03:21,959 --> 00:03:26,519 anyway his parents were granted A 93 00:03:24,239 --> 00:03:28,378 conservatorship Renewed annually and his 94 00:03:26,519 --> 00:03:30,420 mother paid his rent and shopped for his 95 00:03:28,378 --> 00:03:32,340 groceries Chase moved into another 96 00:03:30,419 --> 00:03:35,219 apartment and began to catch and torture 97 00:03:32,340 --> 00:03:37,378 cats dogs and rabbits he killed them to 98 00:03:35,219 --> 00:03:39,539 drink their blood sometimes he stole 99 00:03:37,378 --> 00:03:41,579 neighborhood pets and once he even 100 00:03:39,539 --> 00:03:43,139 called a family whose dog was missing to 101 00:03:41,580 --> 00:03:45,480 tell them what he had done to the animal 102 00:03:43,139 --> 00:03:47,878 he bought guns and started to practice 103 00:03:45,479 --> 00:03:51,000 with them although he was on psychiatric 104 00:03:47,878 --> 00:03:52,500 medication he remained unsupervised his 105 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,840 mother weaned him from the medications 106 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:57,959 herself deciding that he did not really 107 00:03:54,840 --> 00:04:00,060 need them in 1977 the court awarded 108 00:03:57,959 --> 00:04:02,400 conservatorship expired and his parents 109 00:04:00,060 --> 00:04:04,680 did nothing to renew it leaving Chase on 110 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:07,019 his own one day he paid his mother a 111 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,819 visit she heard a loud noise and opened 112 00:04:07,019 --> 00:04:10,920 the door to see her son holding a dead 113 00:04:08,818 --> 00:04:13,378 cat he threw the animal to the ground 114 00:04:10,919 --> 00:04:15,780 and tore it open smearing the blood all 115 00:04:13,378 --> 00:04:17,759 over his face and neck his mother failed 116 00:04:15,780 --> 00:04:20,459 to act and never reported the incident 117 00:04:17,759 --> 00:04:22,978 on August 3rd that same year police 118 00:04:20,459 --> 00:04:25,019 officers found Chase's Ford Ranchero 119 00:04:22,978 --> 00:04:27,659 stuck in sand near Pyramid Lake in 120 00:04:25,019 --> 00:04:29,758 Nevada two rifles lay on the seat along 121 00:04:27,660 --> 00:04:32,220 with a pile of men's clothing blood 122 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:34,139 smears on the inside and a blood-filled 123 00:04:32,220 --> 00:04:36,600 white plastic bucket containing a liver 124 00:04:34,139 --> 00:04:39,120 made them suspicious when they spotted 125 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:42,240 Chase through binoculars he was nude and 126 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,560 covered in blood he saw them and ran but 127 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,600 they caught up with them and took him 128 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:48,000 back to his pickup he claimed that the 129 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:50,699 blood was his it had seeped out of him 130 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:53,339 the liver it turned out was from a cow 131 00:04:50,699 --> 00:04:55,919 Chase soon became a fan of the Hillside 132 00:04:53,339 --> 00:04:57,659 Strangler operating not far away and he 133 00:04:55,918 --> 00:05:00,539 avidly read the newspaper articles about 134 00:04:57,660 --> 00:05:02,220 the killings he had guns it fear of 135 00:05:00,540 --> 00:05:04,860 other people and he had no sense of 136 00:05:02,220 --> 00:05:07,860 boundaries a lethal combination even 137 00:05:04,860 --> 00:05:11,819 without his weird blood fantasies soon 138 00:05:07,860 --> 00:05:15,060 he grew Bolder it was December 29 1977 139 00:05:11,819 --> 00:05:17,699 the man's name was Ambrose Griffin he 140 00:05:15,060 --> 00:05:20,220 was 51 an engineer and the father of two 141 00:05:17,699 --> 00:05:22,379 sons he had been yelling at something or 142 00:05:20,220 --> 00:05:24,780 someone his wife reported to homicide 143 00:05:22,379 --> 00:05:26,519 cops in the emergency room and he turned 144 00:05:24,779 --> 00:05:29,038 and just dropped right there in front of 145 00:05:26,519 --> 00:05:31,319 her she'd heard two odd popping noises 146 00:05:29,038 --> 00:05:32,819 but had given them no thought they had 147 00:05:31,319 --> 00:05:34,500 just returned from a shopping trip and 148 00:05:32,819 --> 00:05:36,300 Mrs Griffin had opened the trunk of the 149 00:05:34,500 --> 00:05:38,639 car and taken out the bag of potatoes 150 00:05:36,300 --> 00:05:40,439 her husband had followed with two sacks 151 00:05:38,639 --> 00:05:42,060 of groceries and had been on his way 152 00:05:40,439 --> 00:05:44,819 back to the car when he had dropped 153 00:05:42,060 --> 00:05:47,339 presumably from a heart attack soon she 154 00:05:44,819 --> 00:05:49,139 would learn a more horrifying truth her 155 00:05:47,339 --> 00:05:51,599 husband had been shot in some sort of 156 00:05:49,139 --> 00:05:53,519 random drive-by attack one of the 157 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,560 Griffin boys reported having seen a man 158 00:05:53,519 --> 00:05:57,959 with a rifle walking around in their 159 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,639 East Sacramento neighborhood they tailed 160 00:05:57,959 --> 00:06:02,038 him and they called the police but it 161 00:05:59,639 --> 00:06:04,860 turned out not to be their man his gun 162 00:06:02,038 --> 00:06:06,959 was not the 22 caliber murder weapon the 163 00:06:04,860 --> 00:06:09,000 following day a noose crew found two 164 00:06:06,959 --> 00:06:10,918 spent shell casings on the pavement near 165 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,779 the Griffin residence detectives 166 00:06:10,918 --> 00:06:14,639 followed up on reports of a suspicious 167 00:06:12,779 --> 00:06:17,099 car driving around the neighborhood but 168 00:06:14,639 --> 00:06:18,900 could get no clear description on the 169 00:06:17,100 --> 00:06:20,699 afternoon of the Griffin shooting a 170 00:06:18,899 --> 00:06:23,399 12-year-old boy reported that a man with 171 00:06:20,699 --> 00:06:25,740 brown hair seemingly in his 20s had shot 172 00:06:23,399 --> 00:06:27,538 at him from a brown Pontiac Trans Am as 173 00:06:25,740 --> 00:06:29,579 he rode his bike he was put under 174 00:06:27,538 --> 00:06:34,079 hypnosis and recalled a license plate 175 00:06:29,579 --> 00:06:35,818 number 219 Eep it led nowhere routine 176 00:06:34,079 --> 00:06:37,318 police work turned up a report from a 177 00:06:35,819 --> 00:06:40,199 woman who said that a shot had been 178 00:06:37,319 --> 00:06:41,699 fired into her home on December 27th she 179 00:06:40,199 --> 00:06:43,560 lived only a few blocks from the 180 00:06:41,699 --> 00:06:46,439 Griffins a search of her kitchen 181 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:48,180 produced a 22 caliber Slug it proved to 182 00:06:46,439 --> 00:06:50,759 have been fired from the same gun that 183 00:06:48,180 --> 00:06:54,000 had killed Ambrose Griffin at that point 184 00:06:50,759 --> 00:06:57,000 All Leads dried up on January the 11th 185 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:59,160 1978 Don Larson had a strange encounter 186 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,839 with Chase during the six months that 187 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,880 they had been Neighbors in the same East 188 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,619 Sacramento apartment complex on Watt 189 00:07:02,879 --> 00:07:06,659 Avenue she had seen him carry three 190 00:07:04,620 --> 00:07:08,639 animals into his apartment against the 191 00:07:06,660 --> 00:07:11,280 rules but had never seen those animals 192 00:07:08,639 --> 00:07:13,379 again she thought him odd but worried 193 00:07:11,279 --> 00:07:15,599 that he was lonely he asked her for a 194 00:07:13,379 --> 00:07:17,819 cigarette she gave him one but he 195 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,800 stopped her from walking away when she 196 00:07:17,819 --> 00:07:23,220 gave him the rest of the pack he let her 197 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:26,160 go nearly two weeks later on the 23rd at 198 00:07:23,220 --> 00:07:28,259 2909 Bernice Street Gene Layton spotted 199 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:30,599 an unkempt young man with longish hair 200 00:07:28,259 --> 00:07:33,000 strolling toward her she watched as he 201 00:07:30,598 --> 00:07:35,519 tried her patio door found it locked and 202 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:38,038 went to the windows they too were locked 203 00:07:35,519 --> 00:07:40,560 so he came back to the door Mrs Layton 204 00:07:38,038 --> 00:07:42,779 met him there face to face he showed no 205 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,879 emotion whatsoever as he scrutinized her 206 00:07:42,779 --> 00:07:46,739 then he turned paused to light a 207 00:07:44,879 --> 00:07:48,959 cigarette and walked away through her 208 00:07:46,740 --> 00:07:50,519 backyard down the street Robert and 209 00:07:48,959 --> 00:07:52,379 Barbara Edwards were bringing their 210 00:07:50,519 --> 00:07:54,538 groceries into the house when they heard 211 00:07:52,379 --> 00:07:56,279 a noise outside whoever was in there 212 00:07:54,538 --> 00:07:58,439 apparently heard them and started to run 213 00:07:56,279 --> 00:08:00,899 they heard a window Slam at the back of 214 00:07:58,439 --> 00:08:02,639 the house and then oddly a disheveled 215 00:08:00,899 --> 00:08:05,038 young man came around the corner toward 216 00:08:02,639 --> 00:08:06,840 them though Edwards tried to stop him he 217 00:08:05,038 --> 00:08:09,300 sprinted past and got out into the 218 00:08:06,839 --> 00:08:11,098 street Edwards gave Chase but lost him 219 00:08:09,300 --> 00:08:13,079 when he jumped a fence the police 220 00:08:11,098 --> 00:08:15,120 arrived to find the house in shambles 221 00:08:13,079 --> 00:08:17,818 with theft of valuables the obvious 222 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,680 motive however he had also urinated into 223 00:08:17,819 --> 00:08:21,900 a drawer of freshly laundered baby's 224 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:24,660 clothing and it defecated on a child's 225 00:08:21,899 --> 00:08:26,638 bed the Intruder kept going veering off 226 00:08:24,660 --> 00:08:29,039 his path here and there to walk across 227 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:31,860 the front porches of random houses then 228 00:08:29,038 --> 00:08:35,158 he came to a tract house at 2360 Tioga 229 00:08:31,860 --> 00:08:37,440 way FBI agent Robert Ressler once asked 230 00:08:35,158 --> 00:08:38,759 Chase how he selected his victims he 231 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,440 said that he went down the streets 232 00:08:38,759 --> 00:08:43,139 testing doors to find one that was 233 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:45,959 unlocked if the door was locked he said 234 00:08:43,139 --> 00:08:47,699 that means you're not welcome apparently 235 00:08:45,958 --> 00:08:50,338 he found the door at the wall in home 236 00:08:47,700 --> 00:08:52,920 unlocked he encountered Theresa Wallen 237 00:08:50,339 --> 00:08:55,440 22 and three months pregnant before 238 00:08:52,919 --> 00:08:57,838 entering Chase deposited a 22 caliber 239 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,700 bullet in the mailbox he opened the door 240 00:08:57,839 --> 00:09:02,220 and ran into Terry as she was taking out 241 00:08:59,700 --> 00:09:05,040 the garbage she dropped the bag as he 242 00:09:02,220 --> 00:09:06,839 raised his pistol and shot her twice one 243 00:09:05,039 --> 00:09:09,000 bullet entered her Palm held up 244 00:09:06,839 --> 00:09:10,980 defensively and traveled upper arm to 245 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,019 exit out of her elbow and Nick her neck 246 00:09:10,980 --> 00:09:15,659 the other went through the top part of 247 00:09:13,019 --> 00:09:17,639 her skull she fell and chased then knelt 248 00:09:15,659 --> 00:09:20,338 over her prostate body firing another 249 00:09:17,639 --> 00:09:22,319 bullet into her Temple his next move was 250 00:09:20,339 --> 00:09:24,660 to drag her into the bedroom leaving a 251 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,399 trail of blood behind he then retrieved 252 00:09:24,659 --> 00:09:28,259 a knife from the kitchen and an empty 253 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:30,179 yogurt container from the trash bag that 254 00:09:28,259 --> 00:09:32,458 Terry had been carrying when David 255 00:09:30,179 --> 00:09:34,799 Wallen came home that night at six he 256 00:09:32,458 --> 00:09:37,079 found the house dark he entered and saw 257 00:09:34,799 --> 00:09:39,419 their dog a German Shepherd waiting 258 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:43,259 outside but his wife was nowhere to be 259 00:09:39,419 --> 00:09:45,240 found oddly the stereo was on a bag of 260 00:09:43,259 --> 00:09:47,338 trash and what appeared to be oil stains 261 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:50,220 on the carpet troubled him he followed 262 00:09:47,339 --> 00:09:52,980 the stains to the bedroom then he began 263 00:09:50,220 --> 00:09:55,379 to scream his wife laid just inside the 264 00:09:52,980 --> 00:09:57,300 door on her back her sweater was pulled 265 00:09:55,379 --> 00:09:59,519 up over her breasts and her pants and 266 00:09:57,299 --> 00:10:02,099 underwear down around her ankles her 267 00:09:59,519 --> 00:10:04,259 left Apple was carved off her torso cut 268 00:10:02,100 --> 00:10:06,899 open below the sternum and her spleen 269 00:10:04,259 --> 00:10:09,059 and intestines pulled out Chase had 270 00:10:06,899 --> 00:10:12,059 stabbed her repeatedly in the lung liver 271 00:10:09,059 --> 00:10:13,739 diaphragm and left breast he also had 272 00:10:12,059 --> 00:10:16,199 cut out her kidneys and severed her 273 00:10:13,740 --> 00:10:18,539 pancreas in two he placed the kidneys 274 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,519 together back inside her there was blood 275 00:10:18,539 --> 00:10:22,559 in the bathroom and it was later learned 276 00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:24,720 that chase had smeared Terry's blood all 277 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,939 over his face and hands licking it off 278 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,560 his fingers the discarded yogurt 279 00:10:26,940 --> 00:10:30,540 container near her body was also 280 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:32,639 blood-stained as if he had used it to 281 00:10:30,539 --> 00:10:35,219 drink her blood the most heinous act 282 00:10:32,639 --> 00:10:37,439 however was to stuff animal feces into 283 00:10:35,220 --> 00:10:39,720 her mouth there were odd rings of blood 284 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:42,240 around the body as if someone had placed 285 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:44,220 a bucket there two days later a puppy 286 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,680 was found killed and mutilated not far 287 00:10:44,220 --> 00:10:49,019 from the Wallen home a strange man with 288 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,819 stringy hair and driving a Ranchero had 289 00:10:49,019 --> 00:10:52,500 bought two puppies from the family with 290 00:10:50,820 --> 00:10:54,778 seemingly no concern whether he got 291 00:10:52,500 --> 00:10:57,179 males or females and then they found one 292 00:10:54,778 --> 00:11:00,299 of the puppies from the litter dead on 293 00:10:57,179 --> 00:11:02,399 January 27th Evelyn muroth 38 was 294 00:11:00,299 --> 00:11:04,259 babysitting her 20 month old nephew in 295 00:11:02,399 --> 00:11:07,019 her home one mile from the wall in 296 00:11:04,259 --> 00:11:09,659 Residence her 51 year old friend Dan 297 00:11:07,019 --> 00:11:12,480 Meredith came over Evelyn was about to 298 00:11:09,659 --> 00:11:14,639 send her son Jason 6 to a friend's house 299 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,920 and when Jason failed to arrive the 300 00:11:14,639 --> 00:11:18,899 friend sent her daughter over to check a 301 00:11:16,919 --> 00:11:20,639 little girl saw movement inside from the 302 00:11:18,899 --> 00:11:22,200 front window and then turned around to 303 00:11:20,639 --> 00:11:24,720 report that no one had answered the door 304 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,459 neighbors grew worried and one finally 305 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,920 entered the house and saw what had 306 00:11:26,458 --> 00:11:31,439 happened that morning Danny Meredith lay 307 00:11:28,919 --> 00:11:33,539 in the hallway in a pool of blood the 308 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,640 deputy who checked him saw gunshot wound 309 00:11:33,539 --> 00:11:37,379 on his head and then saw blood in the 310 00:11:35,639 --> 00:11:39,838 bathroom and what looked like bloody 311 00:11:37,379 --> 00:11:41,458 water in the tub then he found Evelyn 312 00:11:39,839 --> 00:11:44,399 lying naked on the bed in her bedroom 313 00:11:41,458 --> 00:11:46,500 her legs splayed open she had a gunshot 314 00:11:44,399 --> 00:11:48,899 wound to her head and her abdomen had 315 00:11:46,500 --> 00:11:51,839 been cut open and her intestines pulled 316 00:11:48,899 --> 00:11:54,059 out two carving knives stained red lay 317 00:11:51,839 --> 00:11:55,800 nearby it appeared that she had been 318 00:11:54,059 --> 00:11:58,078 taking a bath when surprised by her 319 00:11:55,799 --> 00:11:59,759 killer and then dragged to the bed he 320 00:11:58,078 --> 00:12:02,099 sodomized her stabbed her through the 321 00:11:59,759 --> 00:12:04,620 anus into her uterus at least six times 322 00:12:02,100 --> 00:12:07,139 made several slices across her neck and 323 00:12:04,620 --> 00:12:08,940 tried to cut out an eye bloody ringlets 324 00:12:07,139 --> 00:12:10,740 on the carpet indicated he had once 325 00:12:08,940 --> 00:12:12,660 again used some kind of container to 326 00:12:10,740 --> 00:12:14,519 collect blood he stabbed several 327 00:12:12,659 --> 00:12:16,559 internal organs as well which the 328 00:12:14,519 --> 00:12:19,200 coroner later noted would facilitate 329 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:21,000 getting at blood in the abdomen on the 330 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,100 other side of the bed police officers 331 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,320 discovered the body of a boy who turned 332 00:12:23,100 --> 00:12:27,899 out to be Jason he had been shot twice 333 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,940 in the head at close range the Intruder 334 00:12:27,899 --> 00:12:31,679 had left bloody Footprints behind which 335 00:12:29,940 --> 00:12:34,260 resembled the shoe marks found at the 336 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:36,299 Wallen murder scene then they located an 337 00:12:34,259 --> 00:12:37,919 11 year old girl in the neighborhood Who 338 00:12:36,299 --> 00:12:40,139 described the man near the victim's 339 00:12:37,919 --> 00:12:42,719 residence around 11 o'clock she 340 00:12:40,139 --> 00:12:44,399 described him in his early twenties he 341 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,440 fit the description of a man seen 342 00:12:44,399 --> 00:12:49,078 repeatedly in that area walking around 343 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:51,240 asking people for magazines Dan 344 00:12:49,078 --> 00:12:52,799 Meredith's red station wagon was missing 345 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,240 from the front of the house where 346 00:12:52,799 --> 00:12:56,879 neighbors had seen it parked that 347 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:59,159 morning then Karen Ferreira arrived 348 00:12:56,879 --> 00:13:01,500 seeking the whereabouts of her son David 349 00:12:59,159 --> 00:13:04,078 left with her sister-in-law Evelyn that 350 00:13:01,500 --> 00:13:05,879 morning no one had seen him but a bullet 351 00:13:04,078 --> 00:13:08,519 hole was discovered in the pillow that 352 00:13:05,879 --> 00:13:10,919 had been in a crib there was a lot of 353 00:13:08,519 --> 00:13:12,959 blood it later turned out that chase had 354 00:13:10,919 --> 00:13:15,179 drunk Evelyn's blood and had mutilated 355 00:13:12,958 --> 00:13:16,739 the baby's body in the bathroom a knock 356 00:13:15,179 --> 00:13:19,439 on the door must have interrupted him 357 00:13:16,740 --> 00:13:21,120 and he had fled with the body as the 358 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,339 police looked for him he took the baby 359 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:25,440 to his home and severed the head he 360 00:13:23,339 --> 00:13:27,300 removed several organs and consumed them 361 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,160 it seemed to chase that he would get 362 00:13:27,299 --> 00:13:31,500 away with this brutal series of murders 363 00:13:29,159 --> 00:13:33,600 but he did not realize how quickly the 364 00:13:31,500 --> 00:13:35,519 police were closing in Meredith's 365 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,920 station wagon was found abandoned not 366 00:13:35,519 --> 00:13:39,720 far from the murder scene the keys still 367 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:42,120 in it there was little hope that the 368 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,860 baby was still alive the police did not 369 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,078 know it but the parking lot where they 370 00:13:43,860 --> 00:13:48,839 located the missing car was only about 371 00:13:46,078 --> 00:13:50,879 100 yards from apartment 15 of the Watt 372 00:13:48,839 --> 00:13:53,820 Avenue complex where Richard Trenton 373 00:13:50,879 --> 00:13:56,879 Chase lived the FBI was already on the 374 00:13:53,820 --> 00:13:58,920 case Robert Ressler and Russ vorpagel 375 00:13:56,879 --> 00:14:01,200 developed a profile of who they were 376 00:13:58,919 --> 00:14:03,179 probably looking for they figured him 377 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,980 for a disorganized killer as opposed to 378 00:14:03,179 --> 00:14:06,719 an organized one with some Clues 379 00:14:04,980 --> 00:14:09,120 pointing toward the possibility of 380 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:11,399 psychosis he clearly had not planned 381 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,740 these crimes and did little to hide or 382 00:14:11,399 --> 00:14:15,720 destroy evidence he left Footprints and 383 00:14:13,740 --> 00:14:17,399 fingerprints and had probably walked 384 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,620 around in daylight with blood on his 385 00:14:17,399 --> 00:14:21,958 clothing in other words words he gave 386 00:14:19,620 --> 00:14:24,120 little thought to the consequences at 387 00:14:21,958 --> 00:14:26,159 the very least his domicile would be as 388 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:28,078 sloppy as the places he ransacked after 389 00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:29,699 he was finished with them and the fact 390 00:14:28,078 --> 00:14:31,919 that the murder scenes were fairly close 391 00:14:29,700 --> 00:14:34,560 together meant he might not have a car 392 00:14:31,919 --> 00:14:36,778 in fact he'd taken a car from one house 393 00:14:34,559 --> 00:14:38,939 so he must have walked to that one at 394 00:14:36,778 --> 00:14:41,338 least that meant it was likely that he 395 00:14:38,940 --> 00:14:43,079 lived in the vicinity of the crimes it 396 00:14:41,339 --> 00:14:45,360 was also likely that he would kill again 397 00:14:43,078 --> 00:14:48,719 and keep on killing until he was caught 398 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:51,060 they had to work fast they figured him 399 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:53,100 to be a white male in his mid-20s thin 400 00:14:51,059 --> 00:14:55,198 and undernourished evidence of the 401 00:14:53,100 --> 00:14:57,720 crimes they were sure would be found in 402 00:14:55,198 --> 00:14:59,819 his residence and if he had a vehicle in 403 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,500 there as well he either would have a 404 00:14:59,820 --> 00:15:03,600 history of medical illness or drug use 405 00:15:01,500 --> 00:15:05,339 or both and he would be something of a 406 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,379 loner they thought he was probably 407 00:15:05,339 --> 00:15:09,480 employed at some menial labor or 408 00:15:07,379 --> 00:15:11,159 unemployed given his apparent state of 409 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,620 mind and could be receiving some 410 00:15:11,159 --> 00:15:16,740 disability money he probably lived alone 411 00:15:13,620 --> 00:15:18,539 he might be paranoid many people were 412 00:15:16,740 --> 00:15:20,639 questioned around the area and summons 413 00:15:18,539 --> 00:15:22,860 seen a white male driving a red station 414 00:15:20,639 --> 00:15:24,659 wagon although the police artist tried 415 00:15:22,860 --> 00:15:26,699 to make a sketch few of the descriptions 416 00:15:24,659 --> 00:15:28,439 were helpful except for that of a young 417 00:15:26,698 --> 00:15:30,240 woman on the same day that Robert 418 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,279 Edwards had chased the Intruder away 419 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:35,278 from his home on Bernice Street Nancy 420 00:15:32,278 --> 00:15:36,720 Holden had had an odd encounter she was 421 00:15:35,278 --> 00:15:39,000 shopping in the Town and Country Village 422 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:41,278 shopping center not far from Watt Avenue 423 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,839 and close to the wall in Residence when 424 00:15:41,278 --> 00:15:45,179 she saw a strange man approaching her 425 00:15:42,839 --> 00:15:47,100 who appeared to be confused she tried to 426 00:15:45,179 --> 00:15:49,379 avoid him but he directed a question at 427 00:15:47,100 --> 00:15:52,199 her were you on the motorcycle when Kurt 428 00:15:49,379 --> 00:15:54,720 was killed he asked Nancy was startled 429 00:15:52,198 --> 00:15:56,698 ten years earlier she had dated a boy 430 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,920 named Kurt who had been killed on a 431 00:15:56,698 --> 00:16:00,958 motorcycle it was then that she noticed 432 00:15:58,919 --> 00:16:03,179 something Vaguely Familiar about this 433 00:16:00,958 --> 00:16:06,299 interrogator she asked him who he was 434 00:16:03,179 --> 00:16:08,698 and he replied Rick Chase she was 435 00:16:06,299 --> 00:16:10,799 astonished this man before her was 436 00:16:08,698 --> 00:16:12,419 nothing like the studious clean-cut Rick 437 00:16:10,799 --> 00:16:15,479 chase that she had known in high school 438 00:16:12,419 --> 00:16:17,519 she had heard he'd gotten into drugs and 439 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,899 looking at him now she realized those 440 00:16:17,519 --> 00:16:21,060 rumors were true 441 00:16:18,899 --> 00:16:23,519 he was grimy and stained and his 442 00:16:21,059 --> 00:16:24,599 agitated manner made her nervous she 443 00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:27,480 talked with him for a few minutes 444 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:29,040 seeking a way out and finally got out of 445 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,199 the store while he was still paying for 446 00:16:29,039 --> 00:16:33,360 something however he followed her into 447 00:16:31,198 --> 00:16:36,120 the parking lot intent on getting a ride 448 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:38,459 she managed to get into her car roll up 449 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:40,679 the windows lock the doors and pull out 450 00:16:38,458 --> 00:16:43,138 before he could stop her she knew she'd 451 00:16:40,679 --> 00:16:45,479 been rude but she just wanted to get 452 00:16:43,139 --> 00:16:47,100 away after viewing the police sketch of 453 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,199 a disheveled man seen in the 454 00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:51,420 neighborhood wearing an orange ski parka 455 00:16:49,198 --> 00:16:53,639 and recalling the chase War one that day 456 00:16:51,419 --> 00:16:55,860 the same color she was sure this was the 457 00:16:53,639 --> 00:16:57,360 man the police were seeking they also 458 00:16:55,860 --> 00:16:59,339 got another clue from the gun 459 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,800 registration of a 22 caliber 460 00:16:59,339 --> 00:17:04,500 semi-automatic handgun sold in December 461 00:17:01,799 --> 00:17:06,959 1977 to a Richard Chase on Watt Avenue 462 00:17:04,500 --> 00:17:09,838 on January 10th he had purchased 463 00:17:06,959 --> 00:17:12,600 ammunition then Don Larson watching the 464 00:17:09,838 --> 00:17:14,578 news recalled her strange neighbor she'd 465 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:17,279 seen a large map of Sacramento on his 466 00:17:14,578 --> 00:17:18,838 wall marked with black ink however she 467 00:17:17,279 --> 00:17:21,119 was afraid to make an enemy by 468 00:17:18,838 --> 00:17:23,279 supporting him after hearing from Holden 469 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,838 five days after the wall and murder the 470 00:17:23,279 --> 00:17:26,759 detectives ran a background check on 471 00:17:24,838 --> 00:17:28,678 Chase and found a history of mental 472 00:17:26,759 --> 00:17:31,079 illness including his escape from a 473 00:17:28,679 --> 00:17:33,000 hospital a concealed weapons charge a 474 00:17:31,079 --> 00:17:35,220 series of minor drug busts and his 475 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:37,440 arrest in Nevada they found his address 476 00:17:35,220 --> 00:17:39,538 on Watt Avenue and went out that 477 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,820 Saturday afternoon one day after the 478 00:17:39,538 --> 00:17:43,319 triple murder to check it out they 479 00:17:41,819 --> 00:17:45,178 learned from the apartment manager that 480 00:17:43,319 --> 00:17:47,399 Chase's mother paid his rent and that 481 00:17:45,179 --> 00:17:49,679 she felt her son was the victim of LSD 482 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,720 abuse Chase refused to let his mother 483 00:17:49,679 --> 00:17:54,000 into his apartment the detectives 484 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:56,038 knocked repeatedly but Chase would not 485 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:58,019 open the door they pretended they were 486 00:17:56,038 --> 00:18:00,240 going to leave and then waited Chase 487 00:17:58,019 --> 00:18:02,579 emerged with a box in his arms and made 488 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:04,798 his way towards his car the detectives 489 00:18:02,579 --> 00:18:06,960 apprehended him but not without a mighty 490 00:18:04,798 --> 00:18:08,759 struggle on his part they noticed he was 491 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,798 wearing an orange parka that had dark 492 00:18:08,759 --> 00:18:13,500 stains on it and his shoes appeared to 493 00:18:10,798 --> 00:18:15,480 be covered in blood a 22 semi-automatic 494 00:18:13,500 --> 00:18:17,579 handgun was taken from him which also 495 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,798 had blood stains on it then they found 496 00:18:17,579 --> 00:18:22,259 Dan Meredith's wallet in Chase's back 497 00:18:19,798 --> 00:18:24,418 pocket along with a pair of latex gloves 498 00:18:22,259 --> 00:18:26,519 the contents of the box he was carrying 499 00:18:24,419 --> 00:18:28,740 also proved interesting pieces of 500 00:18:26,519 --> 00:18:30,240 blood-stained paper and Rags they took 501 00:18:28,740 --> 00:18:32,220 him to the police station and tried to 502 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:34,200 get him to confess he admitted to 503 00:18:32,220 --> 00:18:36,538 killing several dogs but stubbornly 504 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:38,519 resisted talking about the murders while 505 00:18:36,538 --> 00:18:40,440 he was in custody detectives searched 506 00:18:38,519 --> 00:18:42,599 his apartment in hopes of finding a clue 507 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,640 about the missing baby what they found 508 00:18:42,599 --> 00:18:47,279 in the putrid smelling place was 509 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:49,380 disgusting nearly everything was Blood 510 00:18:47,279 --> 00:18:51,538 Stained including food and drinking 511 00:18:49,380 --> 00:18:53,760 glasses in the kitchen they found 512 00:18:51,538 --> 00:18:56,339 several pieces of bone and some dishes 513 00:18:53,759 --> 00:18:58,980 in the refrigerator with body parts one 514 00:18:56,339 --> 00:19:00,899 container held human brain tissue an 515 00:18:58,980 --> 00:19:03,000 electric blender was badly stained and 516 00:19:00,900 --> 00:19:05,419 smelled of rot there were three pet 517 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,798 collars but no animals to be found 518 00:19:05,419 --> 00:19:10,080 photographic overlays on human organs 519 00:19:07,798 --> 00:19:12,418 from a science book lay on a table along 520 00:19:10,079 --> 00:19:14,879 with newspapers on which ads selling 521 00:19:12,419 --> 00:19:17,220 dogs were circled a calendar showed the 522 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:20,160 inscription today on the dates of the 523 00:19:17,220 --> 00:19:22,500 Wallen and miroth murders and chillingly 524 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:25,500 the same word was written on 44 more 525 00:19:22,500 --> 00:19:27,720 dates yet to come during that year the 526 00:19:25,500 --> 00:19:30,000 entire Place had an ominous feeling but 527 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:32,339 at least Chase was now in custody 528 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,839 evidence was gathered from Chase to 529 00:19:32,339 --> 00:19:35,759 compare to samples already being 530 00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:37,859 analyzed in the crime lab from the 531 00:19:35,759 --> 00:19:39,960 murder victims there was plenty of blood 532 00:19:37,859 --> 00:19:42,359 on Chase's clothing and they also took 533 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:44,038 hair samples however when they tried to 534 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:46,979 take a blood sample he had to be 535 00:19:44,038 --> 00:19:50,160 restrained they had no idea then of his 536 00:19:46,980 --> 00:19:52,440 intense Primal Fear of losing his blood 537 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,940 Paris salami was appointed Chase's 538 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,980 attorney and he was immediately 539 00:19:53,940 --> 00:19:58,200 separated from the detectives who had 540 00:19:55,980 --> 00:20:00,660 spent so much time trying to extract a 541 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:02,460 confession police officers continued to 542 00:20:00,660 --> 00:20:04,679 search for the baby using a bloodhound 543 00:20:02,460 --> 00:20:07,319 they even went to chase his mother's 544 00:20:04,679 --> 00:20:09,298 home and she was uncooperative insisting 545 00:20:07,319 --> 00:20:11,279 that despite what they had found it did 546 00:20:09,298 --> 00:20:13,980 not prove that her son had done anything 547 00:20:11,279 --> 00:20:15,599 at one point Chase admitted to another 548 00:20:13,980 --> 00:20:17,099 inmate that he had drunk the blood of 549 00:20:15,599 --> 00:20:19,558 his victims because he had blood 550 00:20:17,099 --> 00:20:21,178 poisoning he needed blood and he had 551 00:20:19,558 --> 00:20:24,538 grown tired of hunting and killing 552 00:20:21,179 --> 00:20:27,240 animals finally the baby was found on 553 00:20:24,538 --> 00:20:29,038 March 24th a church janitor Came Upon a 554 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:31,679 box containing the remains of a male 555 00:20:29,038 --> 00:20:34,200 baby he called the police when they 556 00:20:31,679 --> 00:20:36,059 arrived they recognized the clothing it 557 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:38,700 was the missing boy from the miroth home 558 00:20:36,058 --> 00:20:40,740 the baby had been decapitated and the 559 00:20:38,700 --> 00:20:43,140 head lay underneath the Torso which was 560 00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:45,179 partially mummified a hole in the center 561 00:20:43,140 --> 00:20:47,280 of the head indicated the child had been 562 00:20:45,179 --> 00:20:49,440 shot there were several other stab 563 00:20:47,279 --> 00:20:50,160 wounds to the body and several ribs were 564 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,798 broken 565 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:55,200 beneath the body 2 was a ring of keys 566 00:20:52,798 --> 00:20:57,660 that fit Dan Meredith's now impounded 567 00:20:55,200 --> 00:21:00,120 Carr the lead prosecutor for the case of 568 00:20:57,660 --> 00:21:02,759 California vs Richard Trenton Chase was 569 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:05,038 Ronald W Tuckerman he intended to seek 570 00:21:02,759 --> 00:21:07,200 the death penalty the defense entered a 571 00:21:05,038 --> 00:21:09,119 plea of Not Guilty by reason of insanity 572 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,500 but talkederman was determined to show 573 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,538 that he knew the difference between 574 00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:15,119 right and wrong and that he was not 575 00:21:12,538 --> 00:21:17,038 compelled to murder part of his strategy 576 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,619 included boning up on the legends of 577 00:21:17,038 --> 00:21:21,779 Dracula he also read about blood-related 578 00:21:19,619 --> 00:21:23,519 crimes and blood rituals in various 579 00:21:21,779 --> 00:21:25,619 cultures noting that some people 580 00:21:23,519 --> 00:21:28,200 believed that ingesting another person's 581 00:21:25,619 --> 00:21:29,939 blood would strengthen or heal them he 582 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,580 wanted to show that while this might be 583 00:21:29,940 --> 00:21:34,980 a belief it was not a viable reason for 584 00:21:32,579 --> 00:21:37,019 murder a change of venue was requested 585 00:21:34,980 --> 00:21:40,079 given the local notoriety of the case 586 00:21:37,019 --> 00:21:42,720 and the trial was moved 120 miles south 587 00:21:40,079 --> 00:21:44,879 to Santa Clara County by the time it was 588 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:47,159 all over a dozen psychiatrists had 589 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,659 examined Chase he admitted to one that 590 00:21:47,159 --> 00:21:50,700 he was disturbed about killing his 591 00:21:48,659 --> 00:21:52,740 victims and he was afraid they might 592 00:21:50,700 --> 00:21:54,538 come from from the dead there was no 593 00:21:52,740 --> 00:21:56,519 evidence in his admissions that he had 594 00:21:54,538 --> 00:21:59,038 ever felt compelled he simply thought 595 00:21:56,519 --> 00:22:00,779 the blood was therapeutic one 596 00:21:59,038 --> 00:22:02,519 psychiatrist found him to be an 597 00:22:00,779 --> 00:22:04,678 anti-social personality not 598 00:22:02,519 --> 00:22:06,779 schizophrenic his thought proceeds were 599 00:22:04,679 --> 00:22:09,360 not disrupted and he was aware of what 600 00:22:06,779 --> 00:22:13,079 he had done and that it was wrong on 601 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:14,939 January 2nd 1979 the trial began Chase 602 00:22:13,079 --> 00:22:17,399 was charged with six counts of murder 603 00:22:14,940 --> 00:22:19,980 the prosecutor emphasized throughout the 604 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,659 trial the Chase had had a choice and 605 00:22:19,980 --> 00:22:23,159 mentioned several times that he had 606 00:22:21,659 --> 00:22:25,159 brought rubber gloves with him to the 607 00:22:23,159 --> 00:22:28,200 victims homes with the intent of murder 608 00:22:25,159 --> 00:22:30,240 altogether there were 250 prosecution 609 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,759 exhibits the strongest of which were 610 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,740 Chase's gun and Dan Meredith's wallet 611 00:22:32,759 --> 00:22:36,720 found in Chase's pocket the first 612 00:22:34,740 --> 00:22:38,759 witness in a trial that stretched across 613 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,319 four months was David Wallen who 614 00:22:38,759 --> 00:22:41,940 described the scene of horror he had 615 00:22:40,319 --> 00:22:45,418 encountered upon coming home that day 616 00:22:41,940 --> 00:22:47,400 nearly 100 Witnesses followed him Chase 617 00:22:45,419 --> 00:22:49,860 then took the stand in his own defense 618 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:53,580 he looked awful having dropped in weight 619 00:22:49,859 --> 00:22:55,558 to 107 pounds his eyes were sunken and 620 00:22:53,579 --> 00:22:57,000 lusterless he claimed to have been 621 00:22:55,558 --> 00:22:58,918 semi-conscious during the wall and 622 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,659 murder and he described in detail the 623 00:22:58,919 --> 00:23:02,880 way he had been mistreated much of his 624 00:23:00,659 --> 00:23:05,159 life he admitted to drinking wallen's 625 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,200 blood he did not recall much about the 626 00:23:05,159 --> 00:23:08,760 second series of murders but knew that 627 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,159 he had shot the baby in the head and 628 00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:13,319 decapitated it leaving it in a bucket in 629 00:23:11,159 --> 00:23:15,360 the hope of getting more of its blood he 630 00:23:13,319 --> 00:23:17,639 thought the baby was something else but 631 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:19,558 did not elaborate he thought that his 632 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,840 problems stemmed from his inability to 633 00:23:19,558 --> 00:23:24,058 have sex with girls as a teenager and he 634 00:23:21,839 --> 00:23:25,619 said he was sorry for the killings the 635 00:23:24,058 --> 00:23:27,779 defense asked for a verdict of 636 00:23:25,619 --> 00:23:29,519 second-degree murder to spare chase the 637 00:23:27,779 --> 00:23:31,918 death penalty since he was clearly 638 00:23:29,519 --> 00:23:34,079 insane and had never been given proper 639 00:23:31,919 --> 00:23:36,419 help talkterman argued that he was a 640 00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:38,519 sexual sadist a Monster who knew what he 641 00:23:36,419 --> 00:23:41,880 was doing and who could not be salvaged 642 00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:44,099 on May 8 1978 after five hours of 643 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,260 deliberation the jury returned a verdict 644 00:23:44,099 --> 00:23:49,139 of six counts of first-degree murder 645 00:23:46,259 --> 00:23:51,480 during the sanity phase the jury found 646 00:23:49,140 --> 00:23:53,940 Chase legally saying after deliberating 647 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,620 an hour it took them four hours to 648 00:23:53,940 --> 00:23:57,840 decide that chase should die in the gas 649 00:23:55,619 --> 00:24:00,058 chamber at San Quentin penitentiary 650 00:23:57,839 --> 00:24:01,678 while interviewing Killers all over the 651 00:24:00,058 --> 00:24:03,418 country to add information about 652 00:24:01,679 --> 00:24:06,480 criminal psychology to their database 653 00:24:03,419 --> 00:24:07,860 FBI profilers visited Richard Chase and 654 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,440 learned about some of his Oddities 655 00:24:07,859 --> 00:24:13,379 Robert wrestler recounts his encounter 656 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:16,019 in a book whoever fights monsters he 657 00:24:13,380 --> 00:24:18,360 describes how Chase had believed in 1976 658 00:24:16,019 --> 00:24:20,038 that his blood was turning to powder and 659 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,379 that he thus needed blood from other 660 00:24:20,038 --> 00:24:24,419 creatures to replenish it nevertheless 661 00:24:22,380 --> 00:24:26,460 the psychiatrists had released him 662 00:24:24,419 --> 00:24:28,740 despite protests from some of the staff 663 00:24:26,460 --> 00:24:31,380 that he was dangerous from the time he 664 00:24:28,740 --> 00:24:33,599 was arrested in Nevada in August 1977 665 00:24:31,380 --> 00:24:35,220 until the murders began in December 666 00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:37,798 paints a clear picture of a 667 00:24:35,220 --> 00:24:39,960 deteriorating mind it was after that 668 00:24:37,798 --> 00:24:42,179 that he had killed his mother's cat and 669 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,740 bought two dogs to kill he also 670 00:24:42,179 --> 00:24:45,960 tormented a neighborhood Family about 671 00:24:43,740 --> 00:24:48,538 their missing dog he then collected 672 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:51,538 articles on the Hillside Strangler then 673 00:24:48,538 --> 00:24:53,400 in December he acquired gun after the 674 00:24:51,538 --> 00:24:55,319 Griffin killing he bought a newspaper 675 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,538 and kept an editorial page about the 676 00:24:55,319 --> 00:25:00,178 senseless nature of that shooting then 677 00:24:57,538 --> 00:25:01,859 he bought more ammunition he also set a 678 00:25:00,179 --> 00:25:03,780 fire in his neighbor's garage to drive 679 00:25:01,859 --> 00:25:06,178 them from the neighborhood because their 680 00:25:03,779 --> 00:25:07,440 music annoyed him he told a psychiatrist 681 00:25:06,179 --> 00:25:09,360 that the first killing had happened 682 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,640 after his mother would not allow him to 683 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,979 visit for Christmas he was just shooting 684 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,659 his gun out the window of his car that 685 00:25:13,980 --> 00:25:18,360 he had fired shots at other houses 686 00:25:15,659 --> 00:25:21,059 indicated it was not altogether an 687 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,918 accident Chase told the FBI profilers 688 00:25:21,058 --> 00:25:24,778 that he had killed to preserve his own 689 00:25:22,919 --> 00:25:27,360 life and he was developing an appeal 690 00:25:24,778 --> 00:25:29,819 based on that he mentioned soap dish 691 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:32,339 poisoning wrestler asked him what that 692 00:25:29,819 --> 00:25:34,859 was and he explained that everyone has a 693 00:25:32,339 --> 00:25:36,959 soap dish if you lift the soap and find 694 00:25:34,859 --> 00:25:39,240 that underneath it's dry you're all 695 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,038 right if it's gooey you have the 696 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,140 poisoning which turns your blood to 697 00:25:41,038 --> 00:25:45,778 powder the powder then depletes your 698 00:25:43,140 --> 00:25:47,940 energy and eats away at your body Chase 699 00:25:45,778 --> 00:25:50,038 also said that he was Jewish which he 700 00:25:47,940 --> 00:25:52,259 was not and that he'd been persecuted by 701 00:25:50,038 --> 00:25:54,298 Nazis because he had a star of David on 702 00:25:52,259 --> 00:25:55,980 his forehead which he didn't he 703 00:25:54,298 --> 00:25:57,900 explained that the Nazis were connected 704 00:25:55,980 --> 00:26:00,058 to UFOs which had telepathically 705 00:25:57,900 --> 00:26:03,059 commanded him to kill to replenish his 706 00:26:00,058 --> 00:26:04,798 blood the UFOs followed him around and 707 00:26:03,058 --> 00:26:07,319 the FBI should be able to pinpoint them 708 00:26:04,798 --> 00:26:09,298 by putting a radar on him he then shoved 709 00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:11,339 a cup at wrestler filled with part of a 710 00:26:09,298 --> 00:26:13,859 macaroni and cheese dinner he wanted it 711 00:26:11,339 --> 00:26:16,079 analyzed for poison wrestler learned 712 00:26:13,859 --> 00:26:18,058 that the other inmates taunted Chase and 713 00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:20,759 urged him to kill himself they did not 714 00:26:18,058 --> 00:26:22,319 want him near them wrestler along with 715 00:26:20,759 --> 00:26:24,298 the prison mental health professionals 716 00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:26,460 feldy ought to be transferred to a 717 00:26:24,298 --> 00:26:28,500 psychiatric hospital although he was 718 00:26:26,460 --> 00:26:30,840 sent to one for a short time he soon 719 00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:33,538 returned to San Quentin on the day after 720 00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:35,099 Christmas in 1980 one day short of the 721 00:26:33,538 --> 00:26:37,919 third anniversary of The Killing Spree 722 00:26:35,099 --> 00:26:39,839 the guard looked in on Richard Chase The 723 00:26:37,919 --> 00:26:42,059 Condemned man was lying on his back in 724 00:26:39,839 --> 00:26:43,918 his bunk breathing normally he did not 725 00:26:42,058 --> 00:26:46,859 return the guard's greeting which was 726 00:26:43,919 --> 00:26:49,380 not unusual at 1105 the same guard 727 00:26:46,859 --> 00:26:51,298 looked into the cell again Chase was on 728 00:26:49,380 --> 00:26:53,700 his stomach both legs extended off his 729 00:26:51,298 --> 00:26:55,558 bunk and his feet were on the floor his 730 00:26:53,700 --> 00:26:57,720 head was against the mattress and his 731 00:26:55,558 --> 00:26:59,700 arms extended toward the pillow the 732 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,038 guard called out to chase who failed to 733 00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:04,860 move he went in and pull Chase off the 734 00:27:02,038 --> 00:27:08,759 bed it was clear to him that the vampire 735 00:27:04,859 --> 00:27:11,158 of Sacramento AKA Dracula was dead K.P 736 00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:13,140 Holmes The Coroner was called he 737 00:27:11,159 --> 00:27:15,240 searched the cell and located a strange 738 00:27:13,140 --> 00:27:17,640 suicide note after taking some pills 739 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,319 Chase had been taking a daily dose of 740 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,360 sinequin for hallucinations and 741 00:27:19,319 --> 00:27:23,939 depression which came to a cell in a 742 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:26,639 package of three pills apparently he had 743 00:27:23,940 --> 00:27:28,980 hoarded the pills and then overdosed the 744 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,259 cause of his death was toxic ingestion 745 00:27:28,980 --> 00:27:33,538 his heart was found to be normal and in 746 00:27:31,259 --> 00:27:35,879 good shape despite his lifelong concerns 747 00:27:33,538 --> 00:27:37,679 the prison psychiatrist noted that chase 748 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,419 had been psychotic since the time he had 749 00:27:37,679 --> 00:27:41,400 entered the prison but no one much 750 00:27:39,419 --> 00:27:44,580 bothered about the nature of his bizarre 751 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:46,860 obsession with blood in 1992 a movie 752 00:27:44,579 --> 00:27:49,439 called unspeakable was made based on 753 00:27:46,859 --> 00:27:51,839 Chase's a model for the killer his case 754 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:54,298 is still used by the FBI as the 755 00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:57,678 archetypal model for understanding the 756 00:27:54,298 --> 00:27:57,679 disorganized killer 757 00:27:58,558 --> 00:28:03,538 a number of people both Witnesses and 758 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,580 historians have tried to accurately 759 00:28:03,538 --> 00:28:09,480 document the facts of what happened on 760 00:28:05,579 --> 00:28:11,399 February 28 1993 in Waco Texas in the 761 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,960 clash between law enforcement and a 762 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,840 religious group known as the Branch 763 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:18,120 Davidians no one seems able to write 764 00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:20,158 about those events in an unbiased manner 765 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:23,038 since it seems that the whole thing was 766 00:28:20,159 --> 00:28:25,260 preventable even the academics appear to 767 00:28:23,038 --> 00:28:27,298 have a cause so it's difficult at times 768 00:28:25,259 --> 00:28:30,599 to piece together what exactly happened 769 00:28:27,298 --> 00:28:33,179 and who was to blame was quresh a 770 00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:36,359 manipulative psychopath who exploited an 771 00:28:33,179 --> 00:28:38,519 opportunity as many FBI agents claim or 772 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,979 was he just a deluded religious leader 773 00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:42,538 whose private play was suddenly Exposed 774 00:28:40,980 --> 00:28:45,480 on the world stage 775 00:28:42,538 --> 00:28:47,819 perhaps we'll never know hostage 776 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:50,159 negotiator Christopher Whitcomb writing 777 00:28:47,819 --> 00:28:52,859 in cold zero and true crime writer 778 00:28:50,159 --> 00:28:55,320 Clifford leindecker in massacre at Waco 779 00:28:52,859 --> 00:28:57,719 Texas both present a chronology of the 780 00:28:55,319 --> 00:29:00,778 facts on that momentous Sunday morning 781 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,759 somewhere between 70 and 76 armed Agents 782 00:29:00,778 --> 00:29:05,759 from the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and 783 00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:07,440 Firearms the ATF prepared to move on a 784 00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:09,480 group of wooden buildings outside the 785 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:12,000 central Texas town of Waco 786 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,860 known as the Mount Carmel Center the 787 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,140 place was occupied by members of an 788 00:29:13,859 --> 00:29:19,199 apocalyptic religious group that was led 789 00:29:16,140 --> 00:29:21,659 by a man named David koresh rumored to 790 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,759 be stockpiled inside was an arsenal of 791 00:29:21,659 --> 00:29:25,740 explosives and weapons some of which 792 00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:28,798 reportedly had been illegally converted 793 00:29:25,740 --> 00:29:30,960 to Rapid Fire automatic that put them 794 00:29:28,798 --> 00:29:32,940 under atf's jurisdiction 795 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,740 a UPS driver had tipped off the 796 00:29:32,940 --> 00:29:37,019 government when a package Bound for 797 00:29:34,740 --> 00:29:39,480 Mount Carmel had broken open to reveal 798 00:29:37,019 --> 00:29:41,819 casings for hand grenades while the 799 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:44,278 group did earn money from gun sales and 800 00:29:41,819 --> 00:29:45,658 were legally allowed to trade in arms it 801 00:29:44,278 --> 00:29:46,798 appeared that they weren't following 802 00:29:45,659 --> 00:29:48,960 protocol 803 00:29:46,798 --> 00:29:51,480 some neighbors also reported a lot of 804 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:54,419 target practice but there was more too 805 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:56,399 that came out in the days ahead line 806 00:29:54,419 --> 00:29:58,080 decker claims that the local newspaper 807 00:29:56,398 --> 00:30:00,719 was running a series of articles about 808 00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:03,240 qureshia's dubious activities entitled 809 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,759 the sinful Messiah based on accounts by 810 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,740 defectors like Mark Pro who later 811 00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:10,200 authored inside the cult 812 00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:12,778 Roe had hired detectives to Snoop around 813 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,100 and when contacted by the ATF he 814 00:30:12,778 --> 00:30:16,740 supplied a number of detailed 815 00:30:14,099 --> 00:30:19,019 descriptions of his former Associates he 816 00:30:16,740 --> 00:30:20,460 denounced quresh speaking of polygamy 817 00:30:19,019 --> 00:30:22,139 and other out-of-place practices 818 00:30:20,460 --> 00:30:24,720 involving children 819 00:30:22,140 --> 00:30:26,759 thanks to some of these leads the ATF 820 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,558 set up several agents to act as college 821 00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:31,140 students interested in quresh's 822 00:30:28,558 --> 00:30:33,538 teachings they moved into a house nearby 823 00:30:31,140 --> 00:30:36,240 and came over to visit Catherine 824 00:30:33,538 --> 00:30:38,460 wessinger a religious scholar at La Loya 825 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:41,099 University who penned how the Millennium 826 00:30:38,460 --> 00:30:42,840 comes violently claims that they never 827 00:30:41,099 --> 00:30:45,719 fooled the Davidians 828 00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:47,459 then that February 28th morning a 829 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,659 reporter asked for directions from a 830 00:30:47,460 --> 00:30:52,019 person who was connected to the 831 00:30:48,659 --> 00:30:55,140 Davidians and that person alerted quresh 832 00:30:52,019 --> 00:30:58,200 at the time one of the ATF agents was at 833 00:30:55,140 --> 00:31:00,600 Mount Carmel and he left in a hurry that 834 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,278 behavior alerted quresh who was already 835 00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:04,558 aware that people had been asking 836 00:31:02,278 --> 00:31:07,079 questions about him the agent who left 837 00:31:04,558 --> 00:31:08,879 called the ATF Commander to let him know 838 00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:12,839 that the Davidians were aware of their 839 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:15,659 approach there was no more secrecy in 840 00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:17,579 fact there never really had been since 841 00:31:15,659 --> 00:31:19,440 reporters either accompanied the agents 842 00:31:17,579 --> 00:31:22,619 or arrived before them at the Target 843 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,960 area clearly they'd been alerted line 844 00:31:22,619 --> 00:31:27,178 decker writing from the atf's point of 845 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,159 view said that it seemed early enough in 846 00:31:27,179 --> 00:31:32,460 the day to the commanders that surprise 847 00:31:29,159 --> 00:31:34,380 was still on their side besides it was 848 00:31:32,460 --> 00:31:37,259 Sunday and the guns were supposedly 849 00:31:34,380 --> 00:31:39,360 locked up for the Day of Prayer so the 850 00:31:37,259 --> 00:31:41,099 agents got into a convoy and drove out 851 00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:44,219 to the barren grounds to serve their 852 00:31:41,099 --> 00:31:45,719 warrants and seize any illegal items a 853 00:31:44,220 --> 00:31:47,880 Blackhawk helicopter from the Texas 854 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,919 National Guard accompanied them along 855 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:53,100 with two others belonging to the ATF 856 00:31:49,919 --> 00:31:54,899 everyone was aware of the potential risk 857 00:31:53,099 --> 00:31:56,879 Corrections paranoia about the 858 00:31:54,898 --> 00:31:59,099 government as the agent of Satan didn't 859 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:02,220 help matters because the atf's advance 860 00:31:59,099 --> 00:32:03,839 only proved the truth of his prophecies 861 00:32:02,220 --> 00:32:05,100 they would be attacked by the 862 00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:08,220 Babylonians 863 00:32:05,099 --> 00:32:10,740 even so no one anticipated what actually 864 00:32:08,220 --> 00:32:13,319 happened the agents hoped that this 865 00:32:10,740 --> 00:32:15,839 incident could be settled quickly at 866 00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:18,000 nearly 10 o'clock as three teams formed 867 00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:19,740 to enter the building an agent went to 868 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,259 the compound's front door and knocked 869 00:32:19,740 --> 00:32:23,940 the first entry team was to be inside 870 00:32:22,259 --> 00:32:25,798 the front door within seven seconds 871 00:32:23,940 --> 00:32:28,558 after the Convoy pulled up to the 872 00:32:25,798 --> 00:32:30,179 compound says line decker all these 873 00:32:28,558 --> 00:32:31,500 assault teams would be deployed within 874 00:32:30,179 --> 00:32:33,120 13 seconds 875 00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:35,519 they'd been preparing this for eight 876 00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:38,158 months and each team had an assignment 877 00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:41,639 protect the children neutralize the 878 00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:43,799 military force and seize the arms quresh 879 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,240 looked out from behind a steel door and 880 00:32:43,798 --> 00:32:48,000 learned that the agents had a search 881 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,859 warrant instead of letting them in he 882 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,298 slammed the door and then someone 883 00:32:49,859 --> 00:32:53,579 started shooting 884 00:32:51,298 --> 00:32:56,460 it's not clear from which side the first 885 00:32:53,579 --> 00:32:57,839 bullets came but both sides commenced a 886 00:32:56,460 --> 00:33:00,179 fierce gun battle 887 00:32:57,839 --> 00:33:01,918 wessinger says that the survivors of the 888 00:33:00,179 --> 00:33:03,899 Skirmish and the subsequent standoff 889 00:33:01,919 --> 00:33:05,880 claim the bullets came in through the 890 00:33:03,898 --> 00:33:07,500 ceiling which meant that agents in the 891 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,340 helicopters were firing into the 892 00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:10,980 compound 893 00:33:08,339 --> 00:33:13,379 the ATF in several hearings afterward 894 00:33:10,980 --> 00:33:16,500 says no one in the Choppers fired a 895 00:33:13,380 --> 00:33:18,419 single shot by some reports agents were 896 00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:20,519 shooting the dogs to get them out of the 897 00:33:18,419 --> 00:33:23,038 way and that's what started the deadly 898 00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:25,558 Crossfire between the two groups women 899 00:33:23,038 --> 00:33:27,599 from inside who survived claim they'd 900 00:33:25,558 --> 00:33:29,759 placed their bodies over the children to 901 00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:32,158 protect them from the reign of bullets 902 00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:33,778 several agents were hit right away and 903 00:33:32,159 --> 00:33:34,740 multiple shots came at the hovering 904 00:33:33,778 --> 00:33:36,720 Choppers 905 00:33:34,740 --> 00:33:38,700 one member of the team that penetrated 906 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,038 the building was shot in the head and 907 00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:44,038 killed several who had climbed to the 908 00:33:41,038 --> 00:33:46,919 roof rolled off when hit from noises 909 00:33:44,038 --> 00:33:48,720 inside said agents in later hearings it 910 00:33:46,919 --> 00:33:49,679 was clear that the cult had some heavy 911 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,899 artillery 912 00:33:49,679 --> 00:33:54,679 bullets even pierce the reporters cars 913 00:33:51,898 --> 00:33:58,079 and then concussion grenades known as 914 00:33:54,679 --> 00:33:59,940 flashbangs exploded among the agents 915 00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:02,398 harass and his crew appeared to have 916 00:33:59,940 --> 00:34:04,798 Superior weapons they also had the 917 00:34:02,398 --> 00:34:05,939 advantage of cover while the agents were 918 00:34:04,798 --> 00:34:08,579 out in the open 919 00:34:05,940 --> 00:34:11,820 nevertheless women were screaming inside 920 00:34:08,579 --> 00:34:13,980 and men were yelling ATF bullets pierced 921 00:34:11,820 --> 00:34:16,200 the front door behind which koresh had 922 00:34:13,980 --> 00:34:18,719 been standing several people had been 923 00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:21,178 hit including cultists firing from the 924 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:24,480 tower and four were wounded while five 925 00:34:21,179 --> 00:34:26,519 were dead whoever had started it both 926 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,780 sides knew they would have to fight hard 927 00:34:26,519 --> 00:34:30,000 for survival 928 00:34:27,780 --> 00:34:31,980 the intense Skirmish continued for 929 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,378 around two hours before truce was called 930 00:34:31,980 --> 00:34:37,378 allowing the ATF to remove their dead 931 00:34:34,378 --> 00:34:39,539 and wounded it turned out that 20 agents 932 00:34:37,378 --> 00:34:41,519 had been hit but emergency facilities 933 00:34:39,539 --> 00:34:43,980 were 20 minutes away 934 00:34:41,519 --> 00:34:46,440 the wounded were transported but too 935 00:34:43,980 --> 00:34:48,960 late for four men who'd sustained mortal 936 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:52,079 wounds wessinger claims that the count 937 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:54,240 was 20 wounded and four dead but FBI 938 00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:57,299 records indicate that 16 were wounded 939 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:59,399 and four were dead while the ATF waited 940 00:34:57,300 --> 00:35:00,839 through a tense afternoon they arranged 941 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,240 to make some statements over a local 942 00:35:00,838 --> 00:35:05,159 radio station in the hope that koresh 943 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,919 was listening to let him know there 944 00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:10,078 would be no new attacks yet around five 945 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,940 o'clock when three cultists walking 946 00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:14,579 outside the compound to return there 947 00:35:11,940 --> 00:35:17,220 from work encountered ATF agents the 948 00:35:14,579 --> 00:35:19,560 shooting resumed agents killed one and 949 00:35:17,219 --> 00:35:21,719 captured one of the trio while one got 950 00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:23,759 away and officials then broadcast a 951 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:26,399 request to koresh to give up without a 952 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,560 fight his response was a scripture 953 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,900 reading wessinger interprets his 954 00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:33,179 behavior within her analysis of end 955 00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:35,760 times religious groups by pointing out 956 00:35:33,179 --> 00:35:38,578 that his ultimate concern was to obey 957 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,320 God's will as revealed in the Bible in 958 00:35:38,579 --> 00:35:41,280 order to be included in the millennial 959 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,140 Kingdom 960 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,300 they had believed that day to be 961 00:35:43,139 --> 00:35:48,000 imminent and had armed themselves for 962 00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:50,039 eventuality inside the buildings were 963 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,500 over 100 people who believed in 964 00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:54,900 quresha's Divine gifts and his ability 965 00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:55,619 to dictate to them what God wished for 966 00:35:54,900 --> 00:35:58,019 them 967 00:35:55,619 --> 00:36:00,599 several apostates who were advising the 968 00:35:58,019 --> 00:36:02,460 ATF indicated the disease could very 969 00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:03,539 well trigger a mass suicide like 970 00:36:02,460 --> 00:36:06,059 Jonestown 971 00:36:03,539 --> 00:36:08,880 nevertheless ATF director Stephen 972 00:36:06,059 --> 00:36:11,219 Higgins as reported by wessinger had 973 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,740 insisted two days before that a show of 974 00:36:11,219 --> 00:36:16,559 force against this group was necessary 975 00:36:13,739 --> 00:36:18,419 haresh quickly contacted the media and 976 00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:21,119 participated in several live interviews 977 00:36:18,420 --> 00:36:23,760 with CNN about how the ATF had 978 00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:25,260 endangered his flock he emphasized the 979 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,180 number of children who lived in the 980 00:36:25,260 --> 00:36:30,119 compound and said that he'd been shot 981 00:36:27,179 --> 00:36:33,779 and was bleeding badly he expected to 982 00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:35,400 die in fact as wessinger indicates he 983 00:36:33,780 --> 00:36:37,619 probably interpreted this as another 984 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:40,619 fulfillment of the prophecy of the Lamb 985 00:36:37,619 --> 00:36:43,019 being morally wounded by that time the 986 00:36:40,619 --> 00:36:46,140 ATF was reinforced along with local 987 00:36:43,019 --> 00:36:49,739 police officers Texas Rangers members of 988 00:36:46,139 --> 00:36:53,460 the FBI's hostage Rescue Team HRT the 989 00:36:49,739 --> 00:36:56,338 FBI's special agent in charge Sac from 990 00:36:53,460 --> 00:36:59,820 the San Antonio office a bomb squad and 991 00:36:56,338 --> 00:37:02,639 several U.S Marshals the media too began 992 00:36:59,820 --> 00:37:05,220 to pour in koresh released four children 993 00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:07,098 ranging in age from three to six and 994 00:37:05,219 --> 00:37:10,618 everyone settled in for a long night 995 00:37:07,099 --> 00:37:12,300 former Davidian Mark Pro provides a long 996 00:37:10,619 --> 00:37:14,640 history of the development of the Branch 997 00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:17,099 Davidians as an offshoot from The 998 00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:19,139 Seventh-Day Adventist Church he also 999 00:37:17,099 --> 00:37:20,640 details how quresh Rose to power and 1000 00:37:19,139 --> 00:37:23,219 eventually took over 1001 00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:25,440 in the beginning his name was Vernon J 1002 00:37:23,219 --> 00:37:28,259 Howell and he was a high school dropout 1003 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,659 with the gift of the gab The Seventh-Day 1004 00:37:28,260 --> 00:37:32,579 Adventists advocated purity of the body 1005 00:37:30,659 --> 00:37:35,098 as the temple in which the Holy Spirit 1006 00:37:32,579 --> 00:37:37,680 resides so their habits of eating and 1007 00:37:35,099 --> 00:37:39,599 drinking were strict they believed the 1008 00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:42,539 final battle between good and evil could 1009 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:44,400 happen at any time and when it did only 1010 00:37:42,539 --> 00:37:47,759 a select number would witness the return 1011 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:49,680 of Jesus Christ and be saved yet some 1012 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,839 members wanted regulations to be even 1013 00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:55,019 stricter and from the original Church 1014 00:37:51,838 --> 00:37:57,119 several sects formed within this 1015 00:37:55,019 --> 00:37:59,820 congregation during the early 1930s 1016 00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:02,519 Victor T hutef preached about the 1017 00:37:59,820 --> 00:38:04,859 approaching apocalypse he was chosen by 1018 00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:07,380 God to cleanse the church and when his 1019 00:38:04,858 --> 00:38:11,039 defiant dogmatism forced him out he took 1020 00:38:07,380 --> 00:38:13,500 several followers with him in 1935 they 1021 00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:15,300 purchased land outside Waco calling it 1022 00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:18,300 Mount Carmel Center 1023 00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:20,700 then hutf renamed his SEC the Davidian 1024 00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:23,700 Seventh-Day Adventists and when he died 1025 00:38:20,699 --> 00:38:24,899 in 1955 his wife Florence succeeded him 1026 00:38:23,699 --> 00:38:27,118 as the leader 1027 00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:29,700 she gave a confident prediction for the 1028 00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:32,400 exact date of the World's End in 1959 1029 00:38:29,699 --> 00:38:33,239 and many frightened converts flocked to 1030 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,099 Waco 1031 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,439 when her prediction proved false 1032 00:38:35,099 --> 00:38:39,900 Benjamin Bowden then attracted a 1033 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:42,300 disillusioned group to himself he called 1034 00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:45,660 this group the branch which then became 1035 00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:48,060 the Branch Davidians when he died his 1036 00:38:45,659 --> 00:38:49,920 wife Lois became the new prophet and 1037 00:38:48,059 --> 00:38:52,739 among the more ambitious members of her 1038 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:56,519 group was Vernon J Howell who had joined 1039 00:38:52,739 --> 00:38:58,618 in 1983. he was easy going handsome and 1040 00:38:56,519 --> 00:38:59,519 aggressive with the flamboyance of a 1041 00:38:58,619 --> 00:39:01,440 rock star 1042 00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:04,019 he could take any Bible verse and 1043 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,960 discuss it endlessly which made him seem 1044 00:39:04,019 --> 00:39:10,259 highly intelligent even gifted possibly 1045 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:13,559 inspired Lois bowden's son in Heir 1046 00:39:10,260 --> 00:39:15,720 George hated Howell he intended to be 1047 00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:18,239 the group's next leader no matter how 1048 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:21,838 Charming Howell might seem there could 1049 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:24,239 only be one Messiah as these two faced 1050 00:39:21,838 --> 00:39:27,179 off how will charm the elderly Lois into 1051 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:29,279 taking him as a lover he claimed it was 1052 00:39:27,179 --> 00:39:31,440 God's Divine command that they produce a 1053 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:34,140 child together although they failed in 1054 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,059 this eventually the two men gathered 1055 00:39:34,139 --> 00:39:38,159 their respective supporters each 1056 00:39:36,059 --> 00:39:39,420 claiming exclusive access to biblical 1057 00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:42,000 revelation 1058 00:39:39,420 --> 00:39:44,460 Howell insisted that as God's seventh 1059 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,320 messenger it was he who would set off 1060 00:39:44,460 --> 00:39:49,500 the chain of events that would bring on 1061 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:52,920 the Apocalypse in some ways he was right 1062 00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:57,119 at least for his own Vlog when Lois died 1063 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:59,220 in 1986 Boden forced howlout Howell left 1064 00:39:57,119 --> 00:40:01,858 for a while but then returned for a 1065 00:39:59,219 --> 00:40:04,199 Face-Off Bowden had dug up the corpse of 1066 00:40:01,858 --> 00:40:05,759 an elderly woman to challenge Howell to 1067 00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:08,039 raise her from the dead 1068 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:10,619 so Howell tried to use this incident to 1069 00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:13,079 get Boden arrested the sheriff needed 1070 00:40:10,619 --> 00:40:14,940 proof so Howell armed himself and took 1071 00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:16,140 some men to enter Mount Carmel to get 1072 00:40:14,940 --> 00:40:18,838 photographs 1073 00:40:16,139 --> 00:40:19,920 Bowden came at them with an Uzi and they 1074 00:40:18,838 --> 00:40:22,559 shot back 1075 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,420 surprisingly no one was killed but 1076 00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:26,759 Bowden quickly went to prison on an 1077 00:40:24,420 --> 00:40:29,639 unrelated charge and not opened the door 1078 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,740 for Howell to take over in a court trial 1079 00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:33,719 Bowden appeared to be more dangerous 1080 00:40:31,739 --> 00:40:35,578 especially when he had the corpse 1081 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,598 brought into the courtroom to prove his 1082 00:40:35,579 --> 00:40:39,420 powers 1083 00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:41,220 Howell was acquitted of all charges and 1084 00:40:39,420 --> 00:40:42,119 he saw this as a sign of God's 1085 00:40:41,219 --> 00:40:44,759 protection 1086 00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:46,200 Bowden left town and was later committed 1087 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,780 to a mental hospital 1088 00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:50,759 now Howell was free to affirm himself as 1089 00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:53,099 a harbinger of the Book of Revelations 1090 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:56,280 who could interpret the Prophecies of 1091 00:40:53,099 --> 00:40:58,680 the Seven Seals when inspired One Day by 1092 00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:01,140 the new light he divided husbands from 1093 00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:01,858 wives and claimed all the women as his 1094 00:41:01,139 --> 00:41:04,618 own 1095 00:41:01,858 --> 00:41:06,960 he gave each girl a star of David which 1096 00:41:04,619 --> 00:41:09,539 bro says was a symbol indicative of 1097 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,820 ownership that cheap piece of jewelry 1098 00:41:09,539 --> 00:41:14,159 signified that a female belonged to the 1099 00:41:11,820 --> 00:41:16,859 exalted House of David and was destined 1100 00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:20,039 to become a handmaiden to the Lord the 1101 00:41:16,858 --> 00:41:23,338 Lord in this case being Howell it was 1102 00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:25,619 important Howell said that as God he had 1103 00:41:23,338 --> 00:41:28,380 to spread his seed and create a Divine 1104 00:41:25,619 --> 00:41:31,140 Army then he dubbed his male followers 1105 00:41:28,380 --> 00:41:33,300 Mighty Men the guards of King Solomon's 1106 00:41:31,139 --> 00:41:34,440 bed and they were to be his primary 1107 00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:36,539 soldiers 1108 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,579 it was estimated that he claimed at 1109 00:41:36,539 --> 00:41:42,719 least 15 girls and women for his Harem 1110 00:41:38,579 --> 00:41:45,060 some as young as 12. in 1990 Howell 1111 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:47,039 changed his name to David koresh to 1112 00:41:45,059 --> 00:41:49,440 bring together the concept that he was 1113 00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:52,019 an heir to King David and that his name 1114 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,820 meant death he dictated strict rules 1115 00:41:52,019 --> 00:41:56,338 about how his flock should spend their 1116 00:41:53,820 --> 00:41:58,800 days apparently changing those rules at 1117 00:41:56,338 --> 00:42:01,679 whim and he preached at his flock day 1118 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:04,019 and night yet he himself was above the 1119 00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:07,319 rules he could eat food forbidden to 1120 00:42:04,019 --> 00:42:10,320 them sleep till noon and drink alcohol 1121 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:12,780 by 1992 quresh was teaching his 1122 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,539 followers about martyrdom for the cause 1123 00:42:12,780 --> 00:42:17,519 at the same time he was stockpiling food 1124 00:42:15,539 --> 00:42:19,559 and collecting arms to defend himself 1125 00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:22,199 against any attacks whether from 1126 00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:23,519 defectors or government agents the 1127 00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:25,559 Babylonians 1128 00:42:23,519 --> 00:42:27,420 while wessinger claims that there's no 1129 00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:28,920 evidence that the Branch Davidians were 1130 00:42:27,420 --> 00:42:31,200 actually using the guns they were 1131 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:33,659 selling they clearly had a Siege 1132 00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:36,118 mentality the cult managed to acquire 1133 00:42:33,659 --> 00:42:38,940 sufficient supplies especially in terms 1134 00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:40,559 of instant storable meals to last a year 1135 00:42:38,940 --> 00:42:43,320 if the need arose 1136 00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:45,299 according to defectors koresh demanded 1137 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,160 to know from members of his group how 1138 00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:49,800 far they were willing to go in defense 1139 00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:52,259 of the true Faith the only way to serve 1140 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:54,720 God was to be willing to die 1141 00:42:52,260 --> 00:42:57,119 he even taught the children that suicide 1142 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,699 might one day be required and showed 1143 00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:02,039 them how to do it with cyanide Oregon 1144 00:42:59,699 --> 00:43:05,399 eventually he changed the name of Mount 1145 00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:08,039 Carmel to Ranch apocalypse the first few 1146 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,599 days following the failed ATF raid the 1147 00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:11,699 government assembled a crisis management 1148 00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:15,000 team to talk with the cornered Branch 1149 00:43:11,699 --> 00:43:16,919 Davidians in there report to the deputy 1150 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,920 Attorney General on the events at Waco 1151 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:21,599 Texas compiled in October that year the 1152 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,818 FBI described their crisis Management 1153 00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:24,720 program for handling situations like 1154 00:43:23,818 --> 00:43:27,000 this 1155 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:29,279 acting quickly they determined what 1156 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:32,039 resources would be needed and selected 1157 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:35,220 people for a team that meant negotiators 1158 00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:38,219 tactical Personnel support people local 1159 00:43:35,219 --> 00:43:39,480 law enforcement consultants and Liaisons 1160 00:43:38,219 --> 00:43:41,879 with the media 1161 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:44,639 special agent in charge Jeffrey Jamar 1162 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:46,920 took over raising the hackles of the ATF 1163 00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:49,440 who later said they'd never asked for 1164 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,900 help by five o'clock pm on the second 1165 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:54,179 day the FBI had a full Command Center 1166 00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:56,280 operating which they'd set up at a 1167 00:43:54,179 --> 00:43:58,500 hangar at a former air base about a mile 1168 00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:01,079 from the Branch Davidian compound 1169 00:43:58,500 --> 00:44:03,780 from the first day to the last the place 1170 00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:06,180 was abuzz with activity the critical 1171 00:44:03,780 --> 00:44:09,359 incident negotiation team supervised the 1172 00:44:06,179 --> 00:44:10,980 negotiations using a team leader an 1173 00:44:09,358 --> 00:44:12,960 agent on the phone talking with someone 1174 00:44:10,980 --> 00:44:15,000 inside the compound secondary 1175 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:17,280 negotiators who handled that person's 1176 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,920 suggestions and people to prepare the 1177 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,780 reports for the end of each day these 1178 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:24,240 were kept in envelopes for anyone to 1179 00:44:21,780 --> 00:44:26,280 read who might need information quickly 1180 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,500 the initial Communications had occurred 1181 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:31,200 between atf's special agent James 1182 00:44:28,500 --> 00:44:33,000 Cavanaugh and David koresh but then 1183 00:44:31,199 --> 00:44:35,279 Lieutenant Larry Lynch of the Waco 1184 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,139 Police Department took over speaking 1185 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:40,200 mostly with Steve Schneider and Wayne 1186 00:44:37,139 --> 00:44:42,239 Martin koresha's trusted lieutenants 1187 00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:44,759 Schneider was a disaffected Seventh-Day 1188 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,539 Adventist evangelist and Martin was an 1189 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,700 attorney 1190 00:44:45,539 --> 00:44:49,858 after the cult's messages to the media 1191 00:44:47,699 --> 00:44:52,078 the phone lines were rerouted from the 1192 00:44:49,858 --> 00:44:54,239 compound so that anyone inside who 1193 00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:56,818 dialed out would only get an FBI 1194 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:59,098 negotiator on the other end during the 1195 00:44:56,818 --> 00:45:01,079 second day three negotiators kept up 1196 00:44:59,099 --> 00:45:03,420 unceasing contact with 15 different 1197 00:45:01,079 --> 00:45:05,760 members of quresh's group but that soon 1198 00:45:03,420 --> 00:45:09,300 changed to contact with mostly Schneider 1199 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:11,339 or koresh outside the job of the hostage 1200 00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:13,318 rescue team was to control the perimeter 1201 00:45:11,338 --> 00:45:15,719 around the compound for which they used 1202 00:45:13,318 --> 00:45:18,059 different types of intimidating tanks 1203 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:20,039 Christopher Whitcomb describes what it 1204 00:45:18,059 --> 00:45:21,659 was like to be there and he makes it 1205 00:45:20,039 --> 00:45:23,699 clear that while the negotiators were 1206 00:45:21,659 --> 00:45:26,639 trying to settle things peacefully the 1207 00:45:23,699 --> 00:45:28,799 HRT was ready for action it was clear 1208 00:45:26,639 --> 00:45:31,139 that the FBI's own people were working 1209 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:34,200 at odds with each other and many of them 1210 00:45:31,139 --> 00:45:36,838 knew it throughout the siege yet each 1211 00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:38,879 side believed it was right negotiators 1212 00:45:36,838 --> 00:45:41,039 insisted that tactical behavior only 1213 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:43,800 fulfilled creces prophecy and 1214 00:45:41,039 --> 00:45:46,199 strengthened his resolve while the HRT 1215 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:48,000 people with their pro-military mindset 1216 00:45:46,199 --> 00:45:50,578 believed that encroaching on his 1217 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:53,159 territory intimidated him and weakened 1218 00:45:50,579 --> 00:45:54,960 him in the eyes of his flock koresh 1219 00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:57,539 informed the FBI that he'd been hit by 1220 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,940 two bullets one through the hip and one 1221 00:45:57,539 --> 00:46:01,318 through his left wrist he refused 1222 00:45:59,940 --> 00:46:03,659 medical assistance 1223 00:46:01,318 --> 00:46:07,139 however he did release 10 more children 1224 00:46:03,659 --> 00:46:08,759 that day including a baby the FBI 1225 00:46:07,139 --> 00:46:10,440 believed there was hope that he might 1226 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,300 eventually give up although a 1227 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,920 psychological consultant was convinced 1228 00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:14,880 that koresh himself would never 1229 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,940 surrender 1230 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:20,460 God was not going to prison 1231 00:46:17,940 --> 00:46:22,559 then things got ugly 1232 00:46:20,460 --> 00:46:25,079 when kresh realized he couldn't dial out 1233 00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:27,420 to anyone except the FBI he threatened 1234 00:46:25,079 --> 00:46:30,539 more violence and hung out banners for 1235 00:46:27,420 --> 00:46:32,880 requests for the media even so he 1236 00:46:30,539 --> 00:46:35,639 repeatedly assured anyone who asked that 1237 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,559 he had no plans for suicide he promised 1238 00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:40,259 to let everyone out if his message was 1239 00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:42,299 played for the whole nation as a show of 1240 00:46:40,260 --> 00:46:44,819 good faith he sent out a few more 1241 00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:46,800 children also as a show of good faith 1242 00:46:44,818 --> 00:46:49,079 the FBI made arrangements for the 1243 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,700 broadcast on March 2nd while U.S 1244 00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:51,720 Marshals prepared to take people into 1245 00:46:50,699 --> 00:46:53,879 custody 1246 00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:56,818 then they awaited the hour-long tape 1247 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,980 that kresh was making it arrived at 8am 1248 00:46:56,818 --> 00:47:01,559 along with the release of two more 1249 00:46:58,980 --> 00:47:03,199 children and two adults as several 1250 00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:05,880 Christian radio stations broadcast 1251 00:47:03,199 --> 00:47:07,439 speech negotiators worked out the 1252 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,960 surrender Logistics 1253 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:12,119 haresh was to come out first carried on 1254 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,818 the stretcher then Schneider was to send 1255 00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:17,460 someone out every two minutes Vehicles 1256 00:47:14,818 --> 00:47:19,920 were put in place to pick them up that 1257 00:47:17,460 --> 00:47:22,079 afternoon quresh assured negotiators 1258 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,900 that the plan was proceeding he just 1259 00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:27,300 wanted to lead his people in prayer then 1260 00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:29,880 at six o'clock he said that God had 1261 00:47:27,300 --> 00:47:31,560 instructed him to wait there would be no 1262 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,960 surrender that day 1263 00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:36,420 however all he offered were Bible 1264 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:38,940 readings and statements of resistance 1265 00:47:36,420 --> 00:47:41,220 according to the FBI report they learned 1266 00:47:38,940 --> 00:47:43,679 the things were not as they seemed even 1267 00:47:41,219 --> 00:47:45,598 as koresh had denied ideas about suicide 1268 00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:48,480 he had actually formed a rather 1269 00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:50,640 Insidious plan according to one of his 1270 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,800 own followers quresh believed he was 1271 00:47:50,639 --> 00:47:55,019 about to die so he'd instructed his 1272 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,359 group and what they were to do once he 1273 00:47:55,019 --> 00:47:59,639 expired they were to carry him outside 1274 00:47:57,358 --> 00:48:02,039 on a stretcher and then fire on the 1275 00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:04,379 agents so they would kill and then be 1276 00:48:02,039 --> 00:48:06,779 killed some of them were given hand 1277 00:48:04,380 --> 00:48:08,338 grenades and allegedly koresh had 1278 00:48:06,780 --> 00:48:11,400 instructed them to stand together in 1279 00:48:08,338 --> 00:48:13,619 small groups and pull the pins that way 1280 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,358 they could take as many of the Beast 1281 00:48:13,619 --> 00:48:18,838 with them as possible 1282 00:48:15,358 --> 00:48:21,119 everyone was to die but then quresh had 1283 00:48:18,838 --> 00:48:22,739 a change of heart perhaps because he was 1284 00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:24,720 not dying after all 1285 00:48:22,739 --> 00:48:27,419 after talking about meeting in the next 1286 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:30,179 World the Davidians gathered to pray and 1287 00:48:27,420 --> 00:48:31,740 to wait for further instructions quresh 1288 00:48:30,179 --> 00:48:34,078 then advised them that they should not 1289 00:48:31,739 --> 00:48:35,939 emerge at that time because he had 1290 00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:38,579 sinned by indulging in whiskey and 1291 00:48:35,940 --> 00:48:40,559 prohibited food that would effectively 1292 00:48:38,579 --> 00:48:43,859 eliminate their salvation 1293 00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:46,139 the standoff continued the next day 1294 00:48:43,858 --> 00:48:48,659 koresh reiterated that his commands came 1295 00:48:46,139 --> 00:48:51,118 from God and he sent out one child with 1296 00:48:48,659 --> 00:48:53,639 nine puppies then he offered more 1297 00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:56,099 scripture interpretations he told the 1298 00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:57,779 FBI that if his boss took it into his 1299 00:48:56,099 --> 00:49:00,359 mind to punish them for what they had 1300 00:48:57,780 --> 00:49:03,119 done it would be the start of World War 1301 00:49:00,358 --> 00:49:05,098 III while the negotiators quickly grew 1302 00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:07,559 bored of his endless hours of rambling 1303 00:49:05,099 --> 00:49:09,780 speeches they wanted to get as many 1304 00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:12,838 children out as possible so they 1305 00:49:09,780 --> 00:49:14,700 listened patiently yet then quresh 1306 00:49:12,838 --> 00:49:17,338 indicated that his own children would 1307 00:49:14,699 --> 00:49:19,618 not be coming out the FBI began to 1308 00:49:17,338 --> 00:49:22,259 realize that this man was unpredictable 1309 00:49:19,619 --> 00:49:23,940 the negotiators consulted with several 1310 00:49:22,260 --> 00:49:25,859 mental health experts and religious 1311 00:49:23,940 --> 00:49:28,740 Scholars and there appeared to be little 1312 00:49:25,858 --> 00:49:31,380 consensus except that koresh was likely 1313 00:49:28,739 --> 00:49:34,439 to be dangerous if pushed too far 1314 00:49:31,380 --> 00:49:36,420 since 1993 many scholars have tried to 1315 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,760 interpret the situation in retrospect 1316 00:49:36,420 --> 00:49:40,858 condemning the FBI for their lack of 1317 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,680 understanding if only they'd been 1318 00:49:40,858 --> 00:49:45,900 educated in biblical passages wessinger 1319 00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:47,219 says they would have known what koresh 1320 00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:49,619 was communicating 1321 00:49:47,219 --> 00:49:52,139 Jane Doherty a professor of conflict 1322 00:49:49,619 --> 00:49:54,180 resolution writes that a study of these 1323 00:49:52,139 --> 00:49:56,219 religious groups indicates that a 1324 00:49:54,179 --> 00:49:58,139 propensity towards Millennial beliefs 1325 00:49:56,219 --> 00:50:01,019 appears to be imprinted on the human 1326 00:49:58,139 --> 00:50:03,358 psyche the roots of a violent encounter 1327 00:50:01,019 --> 00:50:06,719 such as that between the ATF and Branch 1328 00:50:03,358 --> 00:50:08,578 Davidians are inherently interactive the 1329 00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,199 group itself would probably not become 1330 00:50:08,579 --> 00:50:12,180 violent without the Catalyst of 1331 00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:15,179 aggression or persecution 1332 00:50:12,179 --> 00:50:18,838 such groups are easy targets for normal 1333 00:50:15,179 --> 00:50:22,078 people to demonize and as such the setup 1334 00:50:18,838 --> 00:50:24,539 tends to invite a clash one psychiatrist 1335 00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:26,519 Park Dietz who came to the command 1336 00:50:24,539 --> 00:50:28,500 center early read through all the 1337 00:50:26,519 --> 00:50:30,780 reports and said the koresh appeared to 1338 00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:33,119 have anti-social and narcissistic traits 1339 00:50:30,780 --> 00:50:35,700 as well as paranoid and grandiose 1340 00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:37,680 delusions while some appeal to the 1341 00:50:35,699 --> 00:50:40,379 rational side of his personality might 1342 00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:43,799 work short term in the long run his 1343 00:50:40,380 --> 00:50:46,680 Psychopathology would erupt he would 1344 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:49,079 become dangerous the best approach was 1345 00:50:46,679 --> 00:50:51,058 to validate his ideas and get him to 1346 00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:53,460 believe that his mission had not yet 1347 00:50:51,059 --> 00:50:56,099 been accomplished while he warned the 1348 00:50:53,460 --> 00:50:58,199 FBI to be consistent it became clear to 1349 00:50:56,099 --> 00:51:00,539 negotiators that much of the ground they 1350 00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:03,899 gained in discussions with quresh was 1351 00:51:00,539 --> 00:51:06,179 lost through bad judgment Pete smyrick a 1352 00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:07,858 criminal investigative analyst wrote a 1353 00:51:06,179 --> 00:51:10,618 report to headquarters back in Virginia 1354 00:51:07,858 --> 00:51:13,318 that the on-site commanders were moving 1355 00:51:10,619 --> 00:51:15,599 too rapidly toward Tactical deployment 1356 00:51:13,318 --> 00:51:18,480 he advised backing off with the tanks 1357 00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:22,019 the HRT was just making the situation 1358 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:24,000 more volatile for years quresh had been 1359 00:51:22,019 --> 00:51:25,920 brainwashing his followers in this 1360 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:29,400 battle between the church and the enemy 1361 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:31,019 one memo read on February 28th his 1362 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,240 prophecy came true 1363 00:51:31,019 --> 00:51:35,519 koresh is still able to convince his 1364 00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:37,979 followers that the end is near as he 1365 00:51:35,519 --> 00:51:40,440 predicted their enemies will surround 1366 00:51:37,980 --> 00:51:42,420 them and kill them it wouldn't be 1367 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,760 effective to use a traditional hostage 1368 00:51:42,420 --> 00:51:46,740 strategy in this situation they weren't 1369 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,960 dealing with criminals but with a 1370 00:51:46,739 --> 00:51:51,779 religious fanatic whose followers would 1371 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:54,179 do whatever he said even worse than the 1372 00:51:51,780 --> 00:51:56,280 show of force was the way the FBI seemed 1373 00:51:54,179 --> 00:51:59,519 to be punishing every good act that 1374 00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:01,380 koresh did when he sent people out Jamar 1375 00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:04,019 did things like turn off the electricity 1376 00:52:01,380 --> 00:52:06,300 or broadcast raucous music 1377 00:52:04,019 --> 00:52:08,338 koresh was clearly annoyed by all of 1378 00:52:06,300 --> 00:52:10,140 this and it was no wonder that he 1379 00:52:08,338 --> 00:52:12,838 believed that God instructed him to 1380 00:52:10,139 --> 00:52:15,358 resist rather than surrender they were 1381 00:52:12,838 --> 00:52:17,759 playing against his divinity trying to 1382 00:52:15,358 --> 00:52:19,500 weaken him so he was reaching for all 1383 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:23,640 the symbols of his power 1384 00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:26,760 it was a no-win situation even so after 1385 00:52:23,639 --> 00:52:28,858 the 51 days that The Siege ensued the 1386 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,960 revolving teams of negotiators kept 1387 00:52:28,858 --> 00:52:32,338 trying to resolve things peacefully and 1388 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,980 save the largest number of people 1389 00:52:32,338 --> 00:52:37,619 possible the Behavioral Science people 1390 00:52:34,980 --> 00:52:40,079 were well aware that the HRT and other 1391 00:52:37,619 --> 00:52:43,740 military-minded Personnel viewed them as 1392 00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:45,599 soft but they knew their job hundreds of 1393 00:52:43,739 --> 00:52:47,639 suggestions were faxed and mailed to 1394 00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:51,119 them every day from people all over the 1395 00:52:47,639 --> 00:52:53,699 country and some experts even showed up 1396 00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:55,619 one man from a nearby University wrote a 1397 00:52:53,699 --> 00:52:58,858 letter to quresh that he expected the 1398 00:52:55,619 --> 00:53:00,960 FBI to deliver in it he said that quresh 1399 00:52:58,858 --> 00:53:02,578 was misreading the scriptures and he 1400 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,619 pointed out several Divine directives 1401 00:53:02,579 --> 00:53:07,260 that would indicate what God was really 1402 00:53:04,619 --> 00:53:09,059 saying other people wanted to be allowed 1403 00:53:07,260 --> 00:53:12,000 into the compound to argue the Bible 1404 00:53:09,059 --> 00:53:13,680 with quresh they were well-meaning but 1405 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:16,739 they failed to understand the kind of 1406 00:53:13,679 --> 00:53:18,358 person quresh was they believed he could 1407 00:53:16,739 --> 00:53:21,299 simply be reasoned into a different 1408 00:53:18,358 --> 00:53:22,980 position and then give up a few more 1409 00:53:21,300 --> 00:53:25,619 aggressive people even threatened to 1410 00:53:22,980 --> 00:53:28,858 force their way in to either help koresh 1411 00:53:25,619 --> 00:53:31,200 or show him the error of his ways in 1412 00:53:28,858 --> 00:53:33,058 fact on separate occasions two men 1413 00:53:31,199 --> 00:53:34,980 managed to accomplish this 1414 00:53:33,059 --> 00:53:37,500 they were welcomed inside to be 1415 00:53:34,980 --> 00:53:39,000 proselytized and they both left before 1416 00:53:37,500 --> 00:53:41,219 the final days 1417 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,679 a man claiming to be Jesus's brother 1418 00:53:41,219 --> 00:53:45,838 arrived from Florida to talk with quresh 1419 00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:48,358 and another claiming to be Jesus himself 1420 00:53:45,838 --> 00:53:51,299 said that he had to go in and set quresh 1421 00:53:48,358 --> 00:53:53,400 straight on who Christ really was 1422 00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:55,740 one well-known Minister claimed that 1423 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:58,079 qresh was possessed by a demon and 1424 00:53:55,739 --> 00:53:58,979 needed an exorcism which he offered to 1425 00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:01,619 perform 1426 00:53:58,980 --> 00:54:04,619 many of these interventions amuse the 1427 00:54:01,619 --> 00:54:06,480 negotiators but at the same time they 1428 00:54:04,619 --> 00:54:08,640 were well aware that fewer people were 1429 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,800 coming out and that quresh could remain 1430 00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:13,618 inside with his band for quite a long 1431 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:16,920 time perhaps as long as a year 1432 00:54:13,619 --> 00:54:19,079 he had supplies stashed away and water 1433 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,480 the worst thing for his people was the 1434 00:54:19,079 --> 00:54:24,420 cold nights without electricity but so 1435 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:26,818 far they were enduring that they asked 1436 00:54:24,420 --> 00:54:28,559 for milk for the children which the FBI 1437 00:54:26,818 --> 00:54:30,659 could hardly refuse 1438 00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:32,280 trying to resolve things quickly the 1439 00:54:30,659 --> 00:54:34,078 negotiators tried to put together a 1440 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:36,960 strategy that relied on those things 1441 00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:39,180 that quresh most wanted they knew he had 1442 00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,858 won in court against Bowdoin and that he 1443 00:54:39,179 --> 00:54:43,618 appeared to be enjoying all of the 1444 00:54:40,858 --> 00:54:46,318 sudden Fame so they worked on that angle 1445 00:54:43,619 --> 00:54:48,358 the ATF had attacked they could prove it 1446 00:54:46,318 --> 00:54:50,880 from the crime scene and koresh could 1447 00:54:48,358 --> 00:54:53,159 take them to court and win he would then 1448 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:55,079 draw even more followers and the Branch 1449 00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:57,539 Davidians would be known all over the 1450 00:54:55,079 --> 00:54:59,818 world they were already on the cover of 1451 00:54:57,539 --> 00:55:02,639 the major news magazines and the world 1452 00:54:59,818 --> 00:55:04,440 was watching koresh could parlay this 1453 00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:07,799 into something beneficial for himself 1454 00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:09,900 and his followers yet even as they said 1455 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:12,539 these things to him they were aware that 1456 00:55:09,900 --> 00:55:16,079 he knew he had some other concerns dead 1457 00:55:12,539 --> 00:55:17,818 ATF agents and charges of polygamy he 1458 00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:20,579 was likely aware that things would not 1459 00:55:17,818 --> 00:55:23,279 go as easily as promised trying to get 1460 00:55:20,579 --> 00:55:25,260 around quresh the FBI made tapes of the 1461 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:27,599 children who had come out showing they 1462 00:55:25,260 --> 00:55:29,579 were cared for and urged them to appeal 1463 00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:31,920 to their parents to join them 1464 00:55:29,579 --> 00:55:33,240 sent these tapes into the compound and 1465 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,700 each time they called The Press together 1466 00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:37,979 for a television broadcast they turned 1467 00:55:35,699 --> 00:55:40,139 the electricity back on so the Davidians 1468 00:55:37,980 --> 00:55:41,760 could see what they were saying the 1469 00:55:40,139 --> 00:55:44,039 agents expressed concern for their 1470 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,300 safety and clarified inaccurate 1471 00:55:44,039 --> 00:55:47,579 speculations 1472 00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:49,559 one other Ploy was to record quresh on 1473 00:55:47,579 --> 00:55:51,359 the phone and when his words seemed to 1474 00:55:49,559 --> 00:55:53,460 undermine his preaching they would 1475 00:55:51,358 --> 00:55:55,858 broadcast that over a loudspeaker for 1476 00:55:53,460 --> 00:55:57,838 the rest of the cult to hear it was 1477 00:55:55,858 --> 00:56:00,358 hoped that at least some of them in 1478 00:55:57,838 --> 00:56:02,400 particular the kilou tenants would see 1479 00:56:00,358 --> 00:56:05,880 the inconsistency and question their 1480 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:08,220 leader yet on March 9th just over a week 1481 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,900 since the siege had begun koresh sent 1482 00:56:08,219 --> 00:56:11,818 out a videotape on which he and 1483 00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:14,400 Schneider had recorded interviews with 1484 00:56:11,818 --> 00:56:16,500 people inside the compound each one 1485 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:19,380 expressed a firm desire to remain there 1486 00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:23,039 they were not coming out unless God 1487 00:56:19,380 --> 00:56:23,818 ordered them to ultimately koresh was in 1488 00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:26,460 control 1489 00:56:23,818 --> 00:56:29,099 he would decide when he'd negotiate and 1490 00:56:26,460 --> 00:56:32,039 when he wouldn't the FBI would have to 1491 00:56:29,099 --> 00:56:35,099 sit there and wait on March 12th 1492 00:56:32,039 --> 00:56:37,500 Davidian Kathy Schroeder came out when 1493 00:56:35,099 --> 00:56:39,599 questioned she denied any plans for 1494 00:56:37,500 --> 00:56:42,599 suicide yet when she tried calling back 1495 00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:44,579 into the compound she received no answer 1496 00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:47,160 she did admit that some people inside 1497 00:56:44,579 --> 00:56:50,039 wanted to come out but were afraid of 1498 00:56:47,159 --> 00:56:53,818 koresh they wouldn't leave until he told 1499 00:56:50,039 --> 00:56:55,558 them to that message was alarming that 1500 00:56:53,818 --> 00:56:57,239 meant the qurash might well have a plan 1501 00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:59,760 that exploited his group members 1502 00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:02,219 inability to act for themselves 1503 00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:04,319 at that point special agent in charge 1504 00:57:02,219 --> 00:57:07,558 Jamar decided to shut off the 1505 00:57:04,318 --> 00:57:09,179 electricity for good up until then he'd 1506 00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:11,400 allowed it to come on for short periods 1507 00:57:09,179 --> 00:57:14,098 of time but he was tired of all the 1508 00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:16,318 dilly-dallying this tactic angered 1509 00:57:14,099 --> 00:57:19,140 everyone inside the compound and further 1510 00:57:16,318 --> 00:57:21,300 annoyed the negotiators quresh rightly 1511 00:57:19,139 --> 00:57:22,739 called it an act of bad faith and 1512 00:57:21,300 --> 00:57:24,839 Schneider said that the three people 1513 00:57:22,739 --> 00:57:26,039 who'd been about to come out were now 1514 00:57:24,838 --> 00:57:28,318 going to remain 1515 00:57:26,039 --> 00:57:30,358 a couple of days later the Tactical 1516 00:57:28,318 --> 00:57:32,279 people placed bright lights outside the 1517 00:57:30,358 --> 00:57:34,858 compound at night to make it difficult 1518 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:37,859 for those inside to sleep and stepped up 1519 00:57:34,858 --> 00:57:40,318 the loud music as an annoyance wessinger 1520 00:57:37,858 --> 00:57:43,699 lists the kind of music used as Tibetan 1521 00:57:40,318 --> 00:57:48,119 Buddhist chants bagpipes seagulls crying 1522 00:57:43,699 --> 00:57:51,058 helicopters dentist drills Sirens dying 1523 00:57:48,119 --> 00:57:54,000 rabbits a train and songs by Alice 1524 00:57:51,059 --> 00:57:55,619 Cooper and Nancy Sinatra a rock group 1525 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,000 actually offered to come in and play 1526 00:57:55,619 --> 00:57:59,338 music that they knew would be 1527 00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:02,579 psychologically demoralizing but their 1528 00:57:59,338 --> 00:58:05,400 offer was rejected then the HRT drained 1529 00:58:02,579 --> 00:58:07,740 the compound's diesel storage tanks more 1530 00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,599 adults came out and caress said he would 1531 00:58:07,739 --> 00:58:12,239 send out no one else 1532 00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:14,220 then the loudspeaker system failed much 1533 00:58:12,239 --> 00:58:16,318 to jamar's frustration and to the 1534 00:58:14,219 --> 00:58:17,879 negotiator's relief although they later 1535 00:58:16,318 --> 00:58:20,219 got it working again 1536 00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:22,079 the crisis management team advised Jamar 1537 00:58:20,219 --> 00:58:24,000 that since quresh offered no specific 1538 00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:27,359 time frame for surrender the weight 1539 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:29,579 could be indefinite at that point the 1540 00:58:27,358 --> 00:58:31,920 introduction of tear gas was mentioned 1541 00:58:29,579 --> 00:58:34,318 to avoid this the negotiators made 1542 00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:36,358 correction offer in prison he could 1543 00:58:34,318 --> 00:58:38,818 communicate with his followers and make 1544 00:58:36,358 --> 00:58:40,699 a worldwide broadcast on CNN 1545 00:58:38,818 --> 00:58:43,079 in order to have these privileges 1546 00:58:40,699 --> 00:58:46,679 correctionist people had to leave by 10 1547 00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:48,480 o'clock the next day March 23rd koresh 1548 00:58:46,679 --> 00:58:51,480 rejected the deal and tore up the letter 1549 00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:53,460 and one more man emerged at this point 1550 00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,619 Schneider became more belligerent in his 1551 00:58:53,460 --> 00:58:57,000 phone conversations and many at the 1552 00:58:55,619 --> 00:58:58,619 command center felt that something 1553 00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:01,318 negative was building 1554 00:58:58,619 --> 00:59:03,720 on March 25th the FBI sent in an 1555 00:59:01,318 --> 00:59:06,058 ultimatum sent a minimum of 20 people 1556 00:59:03,719 --> 00:59:08,338 out by the end of the afternoon or they 1557 00:59:06,059 --> 00:59:11,040 would begin to prepare for action 1558 00:59:08,338 --> 00:59:13,380 when no one emerged the FBI removed 1559 00:59:11,039 --> 00:59:15,539 motorcycles and other vehicles from in 1560 00:59:13,380 --> 00:59:18,358 front of the compound two days later 1561 00:59:15,539 --> 00:59:20,279 according to FBI documents Schneider 1562 00:59:18,358 --> 00:59:22,798 denied quresha's self-professed Divinity 1563 00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:25,140 and hinted that the FBI might burn the 1564 00:59:22,798 --> 00:59:27,599 building to get them out that seemed 1565 00:59:25,139 --> 00:59:29,578 like a rather enigmatic comment perhaps 1566 00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:32,519 even a hint of what was being discussed 1567 00:59:29,579 --> 00:59:34,798 inside then several days were taken up 1568 00:59:32,519 --> 00:59:37,079 with meetings between quresh Schneider 1569 00:59:34,798 --> 00:59:38,818 and two lawyers one of whom had been 1570 00:59:37,079 --> 00:59:41,339 hired by quresh's mother 1571 00:59:38,818 --> 00:59:43,199 once that was settled koresh decided 1572 00:59:41,338 --> 00:59:44,039 that he wanted to spend Passover in the 1573 00:59:43,199 --> 00:59:45,960 compound 1574 00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:48,358 since he was the leader of a religious 1575 00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:51,119 group there was no real point in arguing 1576 00:59:48,358 --> 00:59:53,460 the FBI gave in and waded through the 1577 00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:55,559 Passover period as it neared an end 1578 00:59:53,460 --> 00:59:57,420 quresh announced that he would observe 1579 00:59:55,559 --> 00:59:59,940 it for seven more days 1580 00:59:57,420 --> 01:00:03,059 Passover was officially at an end but 1581 00:59:59,940 --> 01:00:06,298 who could argue once again it was clear 1582 01:00:03,059 --> 01:00:08,160 that he was in charge by this time it 1583 01:00:06,298 --> 01:00:10,559 was clear to everyone that it was going 1584 01:00:08,159 --> 01:00:12,480 to be one thing after another with him 1585 01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:14,940 he wrote and sent out several letters 1586 01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,500 over the next few days that indicated he 1587 01:00:14,940 --> 01:00:19,679 would never surrender or leave 1588 01:00:16,500 --> 01:00:21,599 voluntarily by April 10th it appeared to 1589 01:00:19,679 --> 01:00:24,179 be time to resume discussions about tear 1590 01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:25,859 gas and this time the argument was 1591 01:00:24,179 --> 01:00:29,039 presented to the newly sworn attorney 1592 01:00:25,858 --> 01:00:31,380 general Janet Reno having only recently 1593 01:00:29,039 --> 01:00:33,000 taken up the reins this was a difficult 1594 01:00:31,380 --> 01:00:34,858 situation to be in 1595 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:37,619 she asked for information about the gas 1596 01:00:34,858 --> 01:00:38,519 in particular whether it was harmful to 1597 01:00:37,619 --> 01:00:40,980 children 1598 01:00:38,519 --> 01:00:44,000 she was assured that it was not 1599 01:00:40,980 --> 01:00:47,519 the FBI wanted to use a substance called 1600 01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:48,420 chlorobenzylidine melanonitrile or CS 1601 01:00:47,519 --> 01:00:50,338 gas 1602 01:00:48,420 --> 01:00:52,740 they claimed that it was not flammable 1603 01:00:50,338 --> 01:00:54,119 but other sources insist that it's 1604 01:00:52,739 --> 01:00:56,639 highly flammable 1605 01:00:54,119 --> 01:00:58,318 since the FBI did not expect Flames to 1606 01:00:56,639 --> 01:01:00,118 be present they might have believed 1607 01:00:58,318 --> 01:01:03,000 there was no real Danger 1608 01:01:00,119 --> 01:01:05,099 however inside the compound to warm 1609 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:07,858 things up at night and to read the group 1610 01:01:05,099 --> 01:01:09,660 was using kerosene lamps it seemed 1611 01:01:07,858 --> 01:01:12,179 reasonable to expect that someone might 1612 01:01:09,659 --> 01:01:14,519 have thought of that yet clearly no one 1613 01:01:12,179 --> 01:01:16,679 did even as these discussions were 1614 01:01:14,519 --> 01:01:18,838 underway there were few intermittent 1615 01:01:16,679 --> 01:01:21,719 conversations with quresh who offered 1616 01:01:18,838 --> 01:01:24,539 more of what they called Bible Babel and 1617 01:01:21,719 --> 01:01:26,279 negotiations appear to be stalled quresh 1618 01:01:24,539 --> 01:01:28,139 was now saying that he needed time to 1619 01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:30,540 write a manuscript on the meaning of the 1620 01:01:28,139 --> 01:01:31,379 Seven Seals and he was at work on that 1621 01:01:30,539 --> 01:01:33,298 now 1622 01:01:31,380 --> 01:01:36,480 he asked for supplies to accomplish this 1623 01:01:33,298 --> 01:01:39,599 and the FBI sent those in he completed 1624 01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:42,179 it on April 16th yet still he did not 1625 01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:44,099 come out some of his followers who 1626 01:01:42,179 --> 01:01:46,318 managed to get out said that he had only 1627 01:01:44,099 --> 01:01:48,059 completed work on the first seal while 1628 01:01:46,318 --> 01:01:50,460 the FBI believed he'd finished the 1629 01:01:48,059 --> 01:01:54,298 entire manuscript and still resisted 1630 01:01:50,460 --> 01:01:56,460 them by that time they'd had it they no 1631 01:01:54,298 --> 01:02:00,000 longer believed any of quresh's promises 1632 01:01:56,460 --> 01:02:02,838 on April 17th Reno approved of the use 1633 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:05,519 of Cs gas to end the six-week standoff 1634 01:02:02,838 --> 01:02:07,739 apparently she felt that the negotiators 1635 01:02:05,519 --> 01:02:09,599 had come to an impasse and that the 1636 01:02:07,739 --> 01:02:10,919 sanitary conditions of the compound were 1637 01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:12,960 deteriorating 1638 01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:16,079 she was thinking of the 23 children 1639 01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:18,599 still inside in addition to that the 1640 01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:20,940 operation was getting expensive with no 1641 01:02:18,599 --> 01:02:22,740 foreseeable end tear gas was 1642 01:02:20,940 --> 01:02:25,920 uncomfortable but it would not harm 1643 01:02:22,739 --> 01:02:28,199 anyone the HRT was instructed to insert 1644 01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:30,659 it gradually over a period of 48 hours 1645 01:02:28,199 --> 01:02:32,759 and then be ready to capture people as 1646 01:02:30,659 --> 01:02:34,500 they emerged arrest warrants were 1647 01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,420 obtained for every person known to be 1648 01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:38,940 inside and search warrants for the 1649 01:02:36,420 --> 01:02:40,559 compound were in hand teams prepared to 1650 01:02:38,940 --> 01:02:43,380 wash gas off the children as they 1651 01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:45,660 emerged and to get them to safety on 1652 01:02:43,380 --> 01:02:47,880 April 18th tanks continued to remove 1653 01:02:45,659 --> 01:02:50,279 vehicles from the front of the compound 1654 01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:52,500 tension was high and it was clear that 1655 01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:54,780 koresh was upset especially when they 1656 01:02:52,500 --> 01:02:56,818 moved his black Camaro he called the 1657 01:02:54,780 --> 01:02:58,859 command center and said if you don't 1658 01:02:56,818 --> 01:03:01,619 stop what you're doing this could be the 1659 01:02:58,858 --> 01:03:03,239 worst day in law enforcement history a 1660 01:03:01,619 --> 01:03:05,640 sniper with a good view of the compound 1661 01:03:03,239 --> 01:03:08,459 reported that someone from inside had 1662 01:03:05,639 --> 01:03:12,179 hung a sign on a window that read Flames 1663 01:03:08,460 --> 01:03:14,280 await it was an ominous message the 1664 01:03:12,179 --> 01:03:16,440 negotiators weren't sure what it meant 1665 01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,220 but they suspected that koresh had a 1666 01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,338 plan 1667 01:03:17,219 --> 01:03:23,039 they were soon to find out just after 1668 01:03:20,338 --> 01:03:24,900 Dawn on Monday morning April 19th the 1669 01:03:23,039 --> 01:03:27,019 FBI phoned the compound to warn those 1670 01:03:24,900 --> 01:03:29,039 inside about what was to occur 1671 01:03:27,019 --> 01:03:31,920 leindecker provides a full description 1672 01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:34,440 of what was said it was not an assault 1673 01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:37,079 the FBI insisted but a means of getting 1674 01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:38,940 the Davidians to come out this was the 1675 01:03:37,079 --> 01:03:41,400 most uncomfortable tactic they'd used 1676 01:03:38,940 --> 01:03:44,220 thus far and if it didn't work they 1677 01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:45,720 could only resort to real aggression yet 1678 01:03:44,219 --> 01:03:48,598 they believed that no one would long 1679 01:03:45,719 --> 01:03:51,899 endure the harsh fumes of the gas it 1680 01:03:48,599 --> 01:03:53,400 burned the mouth eyes skin and lungs to 1681 01:03:51,900 --> 01:03:55,920 the point that any reasonable person 1682 01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:57,838 would accept a way to escape it three 1683 01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,760 minutes after the initial call two 1684 01:03:57,838 --> 01:04:01,679 combat engineering Vehicles approached 1685 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:04,140 the buildings punched holes into the 1686 01:04:01,679 --> 01:04:05,879 fragile walls and began to spray tear 1687 01:04:04,139 --> 01:04:08,219 gas through nozzles into the compound 1688 01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:11,579 propelled by non-combustible carbon 1689 01:04:08,219 --> 01:04:13,798 dioxide nearby were in Abrams tank and 1690 01:04:11,579 --> 01:04:16,500 nine Bradley Vehicles while Choppers 1691 01:04:13,798 --> 01:04:18,539 flew overhead taking aerial photos 1692 01:04:16,500 --> 01:04:20,818 everyone was under orders that if 1693 01:04:18,539 --> 01:04:23,759 children were in any way endangered the 1694 01:04:20,818 --> 01:04:26,099 mission was to be aborted abruptly the 1695 01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:28,799 Davidians opened fire at the tanks yet 1696 01:04:26,099 --> 01:04:30,420 the tear gas injection continued and CS 1697 01:04:28,798 --> 01:04:32,818 grenades were thrown in through the 1698 01:04:30,420 --> 01:04:35,039 windows the walls of the buildings were 1699 01:04:32,818 --> 01:04:36,599 no match for the tanks and large holes 1700 01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:39,058 appeared wherever the tanks were used 1701 01:04:36,599 --> 01:04:41,700 then the vehicles pulled back for an 1702 01:04:39,059 --> 01:04:43,740 hour to reload and went at it again 1703 01:04:41,699 --> 01:04:46,139 the Davidians responded with more 1704 01:04:43,739 --> 01:04:48,779 gunfire they also tossed the telephone 1705 01:04:46,139 --> 01:04:51,239 out the front door a sign that all 1706 01:04:48,780 --> 01:04:52,920 negotiations had ceased although 1707 01:04:51,239 --> 01:04:55,500 survivors claimed that the tanks had 1708 01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:57,119 broken the phone lines at this point if 1709 01:04:55,500 --> 01:04:59,280 those who said they were using kerosene 1710 01:04:57,119 --> 01:05:01,559 lamps were correct and if the tanks had 1711 01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,960 indeed knocked them over the fires would 1712 01:05:01,559 --> 01:05:05,819 already have started and spread however 1713 01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:07,920 it would be several hours before that 1714 01:05:05,818 --> 01:05:10,558 occurred putting the claims into some 1715 01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:12,599 doubt the Texas wind was fierce that 1716 01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:15,359 morning which was not good for the 1717 01:05:12,599 --> 01:05:17,280 Tactical teams the FBI continued to 1718 01:05:15,358 --> 01:05:19,139 broadcast please for the Davidians to 1719 01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:21,720 come out hoping that at least the women 1720 01:05:19,139 --> 01:05:23,639 with children would do so they assured 1721 01:05:21,719 --> 01:05:26,039 those inside that no one would be harmed 1722 01:05:23,639 --> 01:05:27,900 but the Davidians had already seen some 1723 01:05:26,039 --> 01:05:29,940 of their fellow members LED away in the 1724 01:05:27,900 --> 01:05:32,460 days before in handcuffs and orange 1725 01:05:29,940 --> 01:05:35,159 prison suits this was yet another 1726 01:05:32,460 --> 01:05:37,980 tactical error meant to display Force 1727 01:05:35,159 --> 01:05:40,139 then just a few minutes after noon the 1728 01:05:37,980 --> 01:05:43,380 buildings quickly went up in flames and 1729 01:05:40,139 --> 01:05:45,598 the fire spread fast agents close to the 1730 01:05:43,380 --> 01:05:47,460 building heard gunfire and they assumed 1731 01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:50,700 that the people inside had decided to 1732 01:05:47,460 --> 01:05:52,318 end it with a mass suicide an HRT agent 1733 01:05:50,699 --> 01:05:53,939 later claimed that he'd seen someone 1734 01:05:52,318 --> 01:05:56,099 light a fire in front of the building 1735 01:05:53,940 --> 01:05:58,440 and several loud explosions inside 1736 01:05:56,099 --> 01:06:01,380 erupted into a giant plume of black 1737 01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:03,599 smoke that filled the sky helicopters 1738 01:06:01,380 --> 01:06:06,180 flew back and forth recording what they 1739 01:06:03,599 --> 01:06:07,740 could but no one knew how dangerous it 1740 01:06:06,179 --> 01:06:10,078 might be to get close 1741 01:06:07,739 --> 01:06:12,118 again a message was broadcast over the 1742 01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:15,359 loudspeaker that koresh should send his 1743 01:06:12,119 --> 01:06:17,640 people out only nine emerged one woman 1744 01:06:15,358 --> 01:06:20,519 who came out her clothing in Flames 1745 01:06:17,639 --> 01:06:22,618 tried to go back in but was caught by an 1746 01:06:20,519 --> 01:06:25,318 ATF agent and brought to safety 1747 01:06:22,619 --> 01:06:27,059 firefighters arrived but the FBI made 1748 01:06:25,318 --> 01:06:29,940 them keep their distance due to gunfire 1749 01:06:27,059 --> 01:06:32,519 and the possibility of more explosions 1750 01:06:29,940 --> 01:06:34,858 around 12 45 they entered the building 1751 01:06:32,519 --> 01:06:37,259 and found numerous incinerated bodies 1752 01:06:34,858 --> 01:06:38,578 most were well beyond immediate 1753 01:06:37,260 --> 01:06:41,039 identification 1754 01:06:38,579 --> 01:06:43,099 the negotiators who had worked long 1755 01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:45,960 hours to ensure a peaceful resolution 1756 01:06:43,099 --> 01:06:47,220 were stunned they had predicted 1757 01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:50,400 something along these lines of 1758 01:06:47,219 --> 01:06:52,798 aggression of any kind were used even so 1759 01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:55,559 they had not imagined the magnitude of 1760 01:06:52,798 --> 01:06:57,239 what did happen and now it was time to 1761 01:06:55,559 --> 01:06:59,400 investigate the crime scene 1762 01:06:57,239 --> 01:07:01,739 for that another team was called into 1763 01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:03,240 action and those agents whose work was 1764 01:07:01,739 --> 01:07:05,219 done went home 1765 01:07:03,239 --> 01:07:07,379 they were aware there would be endless 1766 01:07:05,219 --> 01:07:09,538 inquiries about how such an event could 1767 01:07:07,380 --> 01:07:12,119 have occurred by the end of that 1768 01:07:09,539 --> 01:07:16,200 shocking day 80 people were found dead 1769 01:07:12,119 --> 01:07:18,720 23 of them under 17. koresh had fathered 1770 01:07:16,199 --> 01:07:20,399 14 of them while rumors spread that 1771 01:07:18,719 --> 01:07:22,558 Kress himself had escaped through 1772 01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:25,619 underground tunnels his body was later 1773 01:07:22,559 --> 01:07:28,440 identified by dental records he'd been 1774 01:07:25,619 --> 01:07:31,079 shot in the head many of the victims had 1775 01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:33,240 died from gunshot wounds over 100 1776 01:07:31,079 --> 01:07:35,339 Firearms were eventually recovered from 1777 01:07:33,239 --> 01:07:37,979 the scene and four hundred thousand 1778 01:07:35,338 --> 01:07:39,599 rounds of ammunition wessinger states 1779 01:07:37,980 --> 01:07:41,760 that many of them were still in their 1780 01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:44,160 plastic wrappers apparently scheduled 1781 01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:45,660 for shipment rather than for use but 1782 01:07:44,159 --> 01:07:46,679 that's an interpretation without 1783 01:07:45,659 --> 01:07:49,078 evidence 1784 01:07:46,679 --> 01:07:51,058 it wasn't long before accusations were 1785 01:07:49,079 --> 01:07:53,579 flung from both sides that the other 1786 01:07:51,059 --> 01:07:55,319 side had started the fire and the FBI 1787 01:07:53,579 --> 01:07:57,240 brought to court what they felt was 1788 01:07:55,318 --> 01:07:59,579 clear evidence that the Davidians had 1789 01:07:57,239 --> 01:08:01,379 done it they produce surveillance audio 1790 01:07:59,579 --> 01:08:04,200 tapes of people inside the compound 1791 01:08:01,380 --> 01:08:07,079 joking the day before about catching on 1792 01:08:04,199 --> 01:08:10,259 fire on the actual day there were 1793 01:08:07,079 --> 01:08:13,019 recorded commands to spread the fuel and 1794 01:08:10,260 --> 01:08:15,000 light the torch yet survivors who had 1795 01:08:13,019 --> 01:08:16,859 escaped the compound claim there had 1796 01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:19,679 never been a suicide plan 1797 01:08:16,859 --> 01:08:21,900 still they could not explain why koresh 1798 01:08:19,679 --> 01:08:23,819 refused to come out for six hours after 1799 01:08:21,899 --> 01:08:25,979 the introduction of tear gas 1800 01:08:23,819 --> 01:08:27,719 the subsequent investigation showed that 1801 01:08:25,979 --> 01:08:29,099 the fire had three points of origin 1802 01:08:27,719 --> 01:08:31,920 which would not have happened 1803 01:08:29,100 --> 01:08:34,259 accidentally one canister that had 1804 01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:36,600 incendiary potential and that matched 1805 01:08:34,259 --> 01:08:38,819 what the FBI was using was actually 1806 01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,140 found in water so it could not have 1807 01:08:38,819 --> 01:08:42,600 started a fire 1808 01:08:40,140 --> 01:08:44,460 yet if it was true that CS gas was 1809 01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:46,259 flammable then the amount pumped into 1810 01:08:44,460 --> 01:08:49,739 the compound could easily have caught 1811 01:08:46,259 --> 01:08:51,060 fire the question was what was the true 1812 01:08:49,738 --> 01:08:54,178 source of the fire 1813 01:08:51,060 --> 01:08:57,120 had the tanks knocked over oil lamps if 1814 01:08:54,179 --> 01:08:58,980 so why hadn't the fire begun earlier no 1815 01:08:57,119 --> 01:09:01,019 one seemed to have satisfactory answers 1816 01:08:58,979 --> 01:09:03,838 but everyone pointed the finger 1817 01:09:01,020 --> 01:09:06,420 including people who were not even there 1818 01:09:03,838 --> 01:09:09,000 nevertheless it was no doubt that the 1819 01:09:06,420 --> 01:09:11,699 initiating ATF raid was ill-planned and 1820 01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:13,560 completely unnecessary koresh could have 1821 01:09:11,698 --> 01:09:15,298 been arrested peacefully away from the 1822 01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:17,940 compound while a search was activated 1823 01:09:15,298 --> 01:09:19,859 even if the ATF firmly believed that 1824 01:09:17,939 --> 01:09:22,139 only an element of surprise would have 1825 01:09:19,859 --> 01:09:24,000 allowed the plan to succeed once that 1826 01:09:22,140 --> 01:09:26,279 surprise was lost they should have 1827 01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:28,259 stopped and prepared for something else 1828 01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:30,600 there was little evidence of awareness 1829 01:09:28,259 --> 01:09:32,219 of what the Davidians were all about and 1830 01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:34,980 it was clear that a paramilitary 1831 01:09:32,219 --> 01:09:36,119 maneuver simply to inspect some guns was 1832 01:09:34,979 --> 01:09:37,939 Overkill 1833 01:09:36,119 --> 01:09:41,099 in a videotape for the History Channel 1834 01:09:37,939 --> 01:09:42,778 entitled Cults journalist Mike Wallace 1835 01:09:41,100 --> 01:09:44,699 sternly points out that there were many 1836 01:09:42,779 --> 01:09:47,279 people to blame for what happened to the 1837 01:09:44,698 --> 01:09:49,259 Branch Davidians inside the compound not 1838 01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:51,299 just them and there might never be 1839 01:09:49,259 --> 01:09:53,640 complete Clarity on the issue 1840 01:09:51,298 --> 01:09:56,698 the ATF made another suspicious decision 1841 01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:59,100 as well on May 12th less than a month 1842 01:09:56,698 --> 01:10:01,859 after the incident they bulldozed the 1843 01:09:59,100 --> 01:10:03,660 site in other words if there were any 1844 01:10:01,859 --> 01:10:05,279 clues remaining after the fire that 1845 01:10:03,659 --> 01:10:08,698 might have provided information as to 1846 01:10:05,279 --> 01:10:10,738 what took place they were now Beyond use 1847 01:10:08,698 --> 01:10:12,539 most Americans afterward blame the 1848 01:10:10,738 --> 01:10:13,319 Branch Davidians for what had taken 1849 01:10:12,539 --> 01:10:16,260 place 1850 01:10:13,319 --> 01:10:18,420 but in later years the sentiment shifted 1851 01:10:16,260 --> 01:10:19,980 somewhat and some home-grown radicals 1852 01:10:18,420 --> 01:10:22,980 decided there should be some payback 1853 01:10:19,979 --> 01:10:25,500 only two years later on the anniversary 1854 01:10:22,979 --> 01:10:28,139 of the fire Timothy McVeigh left a truck 1855 01:10:25,500 --> 01:10:30,238 full of explosives outside the Alfred P 1856 01:10:28,140 --> 01:10:32,579 murra Federal Building in Oklahoma City 1857 01:10:30,238 --> 01:10:33,839 killing or injuring hundreds of workers 1858 01:10:32,579 --> 01:10:35,519 and their children 1859 01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:38,279 those who view the government the way 1860 01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:40,560 koresh did are unlikely to accept any 1861 01:10:38,279 --> 01:10:42,539 explanation but one unwarranted 1862 01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:44,640 government persecution 1863 01:10:42,539 --> 01:10:46,380 David koresha decided that the fifth 1864 01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:48,420 seal of chapter 6 in the Book of 1865 01:10:46,380 --> 01:10:51,060 Revelation predicted that Armageddon 1866 01:10:48,420 --> 01:10:52,980 would occur there at Mount Carmel it 1867 01:10:51,060 --> 01:10:55,320 describes those who were slain for the 1868 01:10:52,979 --> 01:10:57,539 word of the Lord and mentions a waiting 1869 01:10:55,319 --> 01:11:00,420 period after which the entire Community 1870 01:10:57,539 --> 01:11:02,939 would be killed according to quresh's 1871 01:11:00,420 --> 01:11:05,579 understanding through this violence he 1872 01:11:02,939 --> 01:11:07,259 and his people were to achieve salvation 1873 01:11:05,579 --> 01:11:09,359 while there were predictions from 1874 01:11:07,260 --> 01:11:11,219 religious and political Scholars that 1875 01:11:09,359 --> 01:11:14,039 another Waco was in the making among 1876 01:11:11,219 --> 01:11:15,359 other secretive groups the FBI did learn 1877 01:11:14,039 --> 01:11:16,979 from the incident 1878 01:11:15,359 --> 01:11:18,839 the next time they were faced with a 1879 01:11:16,979 --> 01:11:21,959 similar standoff the Freeman and 1880 01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:24,179 Garfield County Montana in 1996 they 1881 01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:26,760 approached it much differently from 1882 01:11:24,179 --> 01:11:28,380 March 25th to June 13th the FBI 1883 01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:30,300 confronted a small group of Christian 1884 01:11:28,380 --> 01:11:33,060 Patriots who called themselves the 1885 01:11:30,300 --> 01:11:35,219 Freeman their aim was to overthrow the 1886 01:11:33,060 --> 01:11:37,739 government which they viewed as satanic 1887 01:11:35,219 --> 01:11:39,179 as part of a protest some of them 1888 01:11:37,738 --> 01:11:41,698 stopped paying taxes and government 1889 01:11:39,179 --> 01:11:43,679 loans which resulted in the Foreclosure 1890 01:11:41,698 --> 01:11:45,899 of their property instead of leaving 1891 01:11:43,679 --> 01:11:48,600 they tried setting up their own local 1892 01:11:45,899 --> 01:11:51,420 government and threatened to arrest even 1893 01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:53,820 to hang local government officials 1894 01:11:51,420 --> 01:11:55,739 this brought in the FBI but with 1895 01:11:53,819 --> 01:11:57,238 restrictions from attorney general Reno 1896 01:11:55,738 --> 01:11:58,439 that there would be no armed 1897 01:11:57,238 --> 01:12:00,178 confrontation 1898 01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:02,579 the Freeman that gathered on a 1899 01:12:00,179 --> 01:12:04,380 foreclosed Wheat Farm were armed but the 1900 01:12:02,579 --> 01:12:06,840 federal agents relied on more than 40 1901 01:12:04,380 --> 01:12:09,179 negotiators including family members of 1902 01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:10,619 the protesters to try to bring about a 1903 01:12:09,179 --> 01:12:13,440 peaceful resolution 1904 01:12:10,619 --> 01:12:15,119 no one wanted another Waco 1905 01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,738 those on the farm were offered 1906 01:12:15,119 --> 01:12:19,140 conditions that allowed them to remain 1907 01:12:16,738 --> 01:12:21,359 loyal to their concerns and to run their 1908 01:12:19,140 --> 01:12:23,640 own defense even as 14 of them were 1909 01:12:21,359 --> 01:12:25,679 taken into custody in other words 1910 01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:28,320 contrary to Waco 1911 01:12:25,679 --> 01:12:30,420 the FBI avoided acting in a way that 1912 01:12:28,319 --> 01:12:32,460 confirmed the group's persecutory belief 1913 01:12:30,420 --> 01:12:34,500 system and the matter ended in the 1914 01:12:32,460 --> 01:12:39,679 courtroom for issues of tax evasion 1915 01:12:34,500 --> 01:12:39,679 rather than on an impromptu Battlefield 1916 01:12:41,579 --> 01:12:49,380 about 5 30 p.m on Sunday March 13 1977 1917 01:12:45,719 --> 01:12:51,000 John LeMay 17 told his next-door 1918 01:12:49,380 --> 01:12:53,219 neighbor that he was going to Redondo 1919 01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:55,800 Beach to see a guy he'd met at a gym in 1920 01:12:53,219 --> 01:12:58,560 downtown Los Angeles whose name was Dave 1921 01:12:55,800 --> 01:13:00,600 when John didn't come home that night or 1922 01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:03,060 the next day his hysterical mother 1923 01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:04,440 called the El Segundo police certain 1924 01:13:03,060 --> 01:13:07,260 that something had happened to him 1925 01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:10,079 claiming that her son didn't just go off 1926 01:13:07,260 --> 01:13:13,199 for days at a time police chalked it up 1927 01:13:10,079 --> 01:13:15,359 as another teen runaway on March 18th 1928 01:13:13,198 --> 01:13:17,519 the remains of John LeMay who was 1929 01:13:15,359 --> 01:13:20,099 homosexual were discovered beside a 1930 01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:22,260 highway south of Corona he had been 1931 01:13:20,100 --> 01:13:24,780 carefully dismembered all the body parts 1932 01:13:22,260 --> 01:13:27,119 washed and drained of blood and neatly 1933 01:13:24,779 --> 01:13:29,880 packed into five industrial trash bags 1934 01:13:27,119 --> 01:13:31,979 each bag was carefully sealed with nylon 1935 01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:34,199 filament tape and three of the bags had 1936 01:13:31,979 --> 01:13:36,539 been crammed into an empty 80 gallon oil 1937 01:13:34,198 --> 01:13:39,238 drum the other two left on the ground 1938 01:13:36,539 --> 01:13:41,340 next to it the boy's head was missing 1939 01:13:39,238 --> 01:13:44,399 but a birthmark clearly identified the 1940 01:13:41,340 --> 01:13:46,319 remains as belonging to John LeMay the 1941 01:13:44,399 --> 01:13:48,960 decade of the 70s was a confusing time 1942 01:13:46,319 --> 01:13:51,539 for young people particularly young gay 1943 01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:54,060 people the AIDS epidemic hadn't been 1944 01:13:51,539 --> 01:13:56,460 named as a serious threat yet the 1945 01:13:54,060 --> 01:13:58,320 popularity of gay bath houses gay bars 1946 01:13:56,460 --> 01:14:01,079 and anonymous sex in Parks public 1947 01:13:58,319 --> 01:14:03,420 toilets and parties was at its frenzied 1948 01:14:01,079 --> 01:14:05,399 Zenith gays were coming out with a 1949 01:14:03,420 --> 01:14:07,199 Vengeance and they were finally taking 1950 01:14:05,399 --> 01:14:09,839 what they considered their rightful 1951 01:14:07,198 --> 01:14:12,359 freedoms in the wake of the free love 1952 01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:14,699 60s in San Francisco's hate Ashbury 1953 01:14:12,359 --> 01:14:15,658 young people headed to California in 1954 01:14:14,698 --> 01:14:18,000 droves 1955 01:14:15,658 --> 01:14:21,000 gay teens were drawn there as if to 1956 01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:23,158 Mecca misunderstood youths ran away from 1957 01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:25,880 unsympathetic parents stuck out their 1958 01:14:23,158 --> 01:14:28,679 thumbs and headed to their promised land 1959 01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:30,840 they didn't necessarily find what they 1960 01:14:28,679 --> 01:14:33,719 were looking for many of them ended up 1961 01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,860 as boy prostitutes trying to eke out a 1962 01:14:33,719 --> 01:14:37,560 meager living 1963 01:14:34,859 --> 01:14:39,359 during the 70s and early 80s more than a 1964 01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:40,860 hundred young hitchhikers caught rides 1965 01:14:39,359 --> 01:14:43,319 on the streets and freeways of Southern 1966 01:14:40,859 --> 01:14:46,819 California and didn't live to tell about 1967 01:14:43,319 --> 01:14:49,319 it they were young pretty and eventually 1968 01:14:46,819 --> 01:14:51,960 desperate according to Berkeley 1969 01:14:49,319 --> 01:14:54,059 psychologist Michael Evans homosexuals 1970 01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:56,460 are an easy population to get access to 1971 01:14:54,060 --> 01:14:58,800 in some Anonymous way 1972 01:14:56,460 --> 01:15:02,100 Chicago Police Sergeant Richard Sandberg 1973 01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:04,980 put it another way the gays are easy 1974 01:15:02,100 --> 01:15:07,500 prey hitchhiking has never been a safe 1975 01:15:04,979 --> 01:15:09,899 mode of transportation but in the 1970s 1976 01:15:07,500 --> 01:15:12,658 getting into a car with a stranger was a 1977 01:15:09,899 --> 01:15:14,819 horrifyingly common occurrence Predators 1978 01:15:12,658 --> 01:15:17,879 cruised the freeway on ramps and Beach 1979 01:15:14,819 --> 01:15:19,979 highways they frequented bars hoping to 1980 01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:21,300 find young boys in an agreeable state of 1981 01:15:19,979 --> 01:15:22,859 inebriation 1982 01:15:21,300 --> 01:15:25,860 sometimes they were looking for money 1983 01:15:22,859 --> 01:15:27,719 sometimes for quick impersonal sex 1984 01:15:25,859 --> 01:15:30,420 sometimes they wanted to vent their 1985 01:15:27,719 --> 01:15:32,880 frustrations and rage on someone anyone 1986 01:15:30,420 --> 01:15:34,739 unsuspecting while homosexuals 1987 01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,900 constitute only about five percent of 1988 01:15:34,738 --> 01:15:38,158 serial killers they're more prone to 1989 01:15:36,899 --> 01:15:40,379 Overkill than their straight 1990 01:15:38,158 --> 01:15:42,899 counterparts indulging in the more 1991 01:15:40,380 --> 01:15:45,960 horrific extremes of torture mutilation 1992 01:15:42,899 --> 01:15:48,899 and dismemberment gay men are also among 1993 01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:51,239 the most prolific of serial killers the 1994 01:15:48,899 --> 01:15:52,859 sheer promiscuity of their crimes is a 1995 01:15:51,238 --> 01:15:54,959 kind of grotesque mirror of the 1996 01:15:52,859 --> 01:15:57,479 free-ranging sexual lifestyle embraced 1997 01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:59,158 by so many gay men in the pre-aids era 1998 01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:01,678 of the 1970s 1999 01:15:59,158 --> 01:16:03,899 why homosexual serial killers as a group 2000 01:16:01,679 --> 01:16:05,579 should be especially sadistic is an 2001 01:16:03,899 --> 01:16:07,198 interesting question although one 2002 01:16:05,579 --> 01:16:09,600 element is surely the prevailing 2003 01:16:07,198 --> 01:16:11,639 homophobia of American society which 2004 01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:13,920 causes many gay men to grow up with a 2005 01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:16,560 deep-seated sense of self-hatred a 2006 01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:17,940 violent homophobia of their own when 2007 01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:20,219 these feelings are combined with the 2008 01:16:17,939 --> 01:16:22,979 Psychopathology of a serial killer the 2009 01:16:20,219 --> 01:16:25,140 results can be particularly appalling 2010 01:16:22,979 --> 01:16:28,139 the FBI estimates that somewhere between 2011 01:16:25,140 --> 01:16:31,020 10 and 50 serial killers are still at 2012 01:16:28,140 --> 01:16:34,140 large in America Patrick Wayne Kearney 2013 01:16:31,020 --> 01:16:38,100 was born in Texas in 1940 the youngest 2014 01:16:34,140 --> 01:16:40,199 of three boys he was thin shy prone to 2015 01:16:38,100 --> 01:16:42,659 illness and an easy target for 2016 01:16:40,198 --> 01:16:44,819 schoolyard bullies by the time he was 2017 01:16:42,658 --> 01:16:47,099 eight years old he knew he would kill 2018 01:16:44,819 --> 01:16:49,319 people by the time he was a much 2019 01:16:47,100 --> 01:16:51,060 ridiculed teen he was actively 2020 01:16:49,319 --> 01:16:54,840 fantasizing about murder 2021 01:16:51,060 --> 01:16:57,780 his fantasies were very detailed and 2022 01:16:54,840 --> 01:17:01,140 then he tried it it started in the 2023 01:16:57,779 --> 01:17:03,840 mid-60s in Tijuana and San Diego he 2024 01:17:01,140 --> 01:17:06,239 picked up guys in bars bus stops and 2025 01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:08,039 places where gay men congregated looking 2026 01:17:06,238 --> 01:17:10,698 for a quickie in the bushes 2027 01:17:08,039 --> 01:17:13,560 they were easy to find easy to kill 2028 01:17:10,698 --> 01:17:16,559 bodies easy to dispose of in the desert 2029 01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:17,340 but in his public life Kearney appeared 2030 01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,679 normal 2031 01:17:17,340 --> 01:17:21,960 he put his time in with the Army as well 2032 01:17:19,679 --> 01:17:25,079 as into a short marriage neither of 2033 01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:28,439 those situations suited him in 1962 2034 01:17:25,079 --> 01:17:31,260 Kearney met David Douglas hill hill was 2035 01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:33,059 married and an army veteran a six foot 2036 01:17:31,260 --> 01:17:35,579 two High School Dropout from Lubbock 2037 01:17:33,060 --> 01:17:37,860 he'll join the Army in 1960 but was 2038 01:17:35,579 --> 01:17:40,738 quickly discharged on a diagnosis of an 2039 01:17:37,859 --> 01:17:42,238 unspecified personality disorder back in 2040 01:17:40,738 --> 01:17:44,759 Lubbock he married his high school 2041 01:17:42,238 --> 01:17:47,939 sweetheart but like kearney's trial 2042 01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:50,159 marriage Hills was short-lived when he 2043 01:17:47,939 --> 01:17:52,039 met Kearney Hill divorced his wife and 2044 01:17:50,158 --> 01:17:55,198 moved to California with Kearney in 2045 01:17:52,039 --> 01:17:56,760 1967. Patrick got a good job as an 2046 01:17:55,198 --> 01:17:59,519 Aeronautics engineer with Hughes 2047 01:17:56,760 --> 01:18:01,079 aircraft and David stayed home but 2048 01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:03,300 thought was love at first sight when 2049 01:18:01,079 --> 01:18:06,359 they met their 10-year life together was 2050 01:18:03,300 --> 01:18:08,159 tumultuous and stormy frequently Hill 2051 01:18:06,359 --> 01:18:10,799 would stomp out of the house and go 2052 01:18:08,158 --> 01:18:12,658 spend a few nights with some friends or 2053 01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:15,719 he'd pick up a one-night stand out of 2054 01:18:12,658 --> 01:18:18,779 frustration and revenge occasionally he 2055 01:18:15,719 --> 01:18:21,260 went all the way home to Lubbock but he 2056 01:18:18,779 --> 01:18:24,059 always returned when Hill was gone 2057 01:18:21,260 --> 01:18:26,520 kearney's impotent frustrations reached 2058 01:18:24,060 --> 01:18:28,140 a boiling point there was only one thing 2059 01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:30,960 he knew that would satisfy those 2060 01:18:28,140 --> 01:18:33,119 feelings of repressed rage when Hill 2061 01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:34,980 left the house after a fight Kearney 2062 01:18:33,119 --> 01:18:37,439 would go prowling 2063 01:18:34,979 --> 01:18:39,658 he'd jump in his Volkswagen and go out 2064 01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:40,859 to pick up hitchhikers or young men from 2065 01:18:39,658 --> 01:18:43,500 gay bars 2066 01:18:40,859 --> 01:18:46,079 being of slight build he had a Surefire 2067 01:18:43,500 --> 01:18:47,760 system of subduing his victims he shot 2068 01:18:46,079 --> 01:18:50,579 them in the head with a 22 caliber 2069 01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:52,440 pistol without warning sometimes he'd be 2070 01:18:50,579 --> 01:18:53,880 driving down the highway paying strict 2071 01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,678 attention to the speed limit with his 2072 01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:57,420 left hand on the steering wheel then 2073 01:18:55,679 --> 01:19:00,000 shoot his victim in the passenger seat 2074 01:18:57,420 --> 01:19:01,980 with his right then he'd drive around 2075 01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:04,319 until he found a suitably private place 2076 01:19:01,979 --> 01:19:07,259 for him to relieve his frustrations bent 2077 01:19:04,319 --> 01:19:08,639 his rage and wield his power 2078 01:19:07,260 --> 01:19:10,800 as soon as he was alone with their 2079 01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:13,140 corpses he would undress them and have 2080 01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:16,079 sex with them then he would employ the 2081 01:19:13,140 --> 01:19:18,079 hacksaw and cut them into pieces if he 2082 01:19:16,079 --> 01:19:20,640 was at home he did this in the bathroom 2083 01:19:18,079 --> 01:19:22,198 fastidiously washing each body part and 2084 01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:24,960 draining it of blood to keep it from 2085 01:19:22,198 --> 01:19:27,419 smelling he left no fingerprints in the 2086 01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:29,340 dried blood he learned all this from 2087 01:19:27,420 --> 01:19:32,100 carefully reading the notorious crimes 2088 01:19:29,340 --> 01:19:34,560 of Dean Coral who murdered 17 young boys 2089 01:19:32,100 --> 01:19:37,620 in Houston wrapped them up in trash bags 2090 01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:40,080 and buried them kareny studied Coral's 2091 01:19:37,619 --> 01:19:41,880 heinous crimes and collected newspaper 2092 01:19:40,079 --> 01:19:43,679 clippings as news of his torture and 2093 01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:45,600 murder spree came to a violent 2094 01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:47,699 conclusion when one of his vicious 2095 01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,480 accomplices killed Coral with his own 2096 01:19:47,698 --> 01:19:50,698 gun 2097 01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:52,678 most of kearney's victims reminded him 2098 01:19:50,698 --> 01:19:54,799 of the type of person who had given him 2099 01:19:52,679 --> 01:19:58,739 a bad time during his teenage years 2100 01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:59,940 blonde and arrogant sometimes after he 2101 01:19:58,738 --> 01:20:02,399 killed them and had sex with their 2102 01:19:59,939 --> 01:20:04,500 corpses he would beat them Patrick 2103 01:20:02,399 --> 01:20:05,759 Kearney wasn't the only one killing 2104 01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:08,640 young people in Southern California 2105 01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:11,159 during this time the hillside stranglers 2106 01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:13,800 Angelo buono and his equally psychotic 2107 01:20:11,158 --> 01:20:15,859 cousin Kenneth Bianchi were plying their 2108 01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:18,480 trade in the same area at the same time 2109 01:20:15,859 --> 01:20:20,880 abducting young girls torturing them 2110 01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:23,519 strangling them and dumping their bodies 2111 01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:25,679 wherever convenient Zodiac Killer was on 2112 01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:28,560 the loose taunting police and reigning 2113 01:20:25,679 --> 01:20:30,359 Terror with his random murders the zebra 2114 01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:33,239 killers were randomly hacking people to 2115 01:20:30,359 --> 01:20:35,698 death with machetes in San Francisco and 2116 01:20:33,238 --> 01:20:37,799 closer to home Randy craft was proving 2117 01:20:35,698 --> 01:20:39,539 to be one of the all-time most demented 2118 01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:41,340 killers of gays with his 2119 01:20:39,539 --> 01:20:44,460 incomprehensible sadistic torture 2120 01:20:41,340 --> 01:20:46,679 methods William bonan with a sidekick 2121 01:20:44,460 --> 01:20:48,840 Vernon butts was also committing 2122 01:20:46,679 --> 01:20:51,239 horribly grisly murders on young gay men 2123 01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:53,880 and discarding the remains alongside the 2124 01:20:51,238 --> 01:20:56,039 freeways no wonder the police were 2125 01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:58,260 confused they didn't know how many 2126 01:20:56,039 --> 01:21:00,238 serial killers they had and they didn't 2127 01:20:58,260 --> 01:21:01,199 know how many of them were copycat 2128 01:21:00,238 --> 01:21:04,319 murders 2129 01:21:01,198 --> 01:21:06,059 but as the body count Rose they noticed 2130 01:21:04,319 --> 01:21:09,000 some Market differences in the modus 2131 01:21:06,060 --> 01:21:11,280 operandi one murderer later to be 2132 01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:14,219 identified as Randy craft routinely 2133 01:21:11,279 --> 01:21:16,679 picked up hitchhikers gays Marines or 2134 01:21:14,219 --> 01:21:19,319 whoever caught his fancy he then drugged 2135 01:21:16,679 --> 01:21:21,119 them tortured them for hours and ended 2136 01:21:19,319 --> 01:21:23,639 up by castrating them and shoving 2137 01:21:21,119 --> 01:21:26,460 whatever was handy a broom handle a tree 2138 01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:29,340 branch a pole the victim's own genitals 2139 01:21:26,460 --> 01:21:31,020 or underwear into their rectums he 2140 01:21:29,340 --> 01:21:34,440 usually did this while the victim was 2141 01:21:31,020 --> 01:21:36,659 still alive and screaming William bonan 2142 01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:38,759 strangled his victims with rope cord or 2143 01:21:36,658 --> 01:21:40,439 the victim's t-shirt before ripping the 2144 01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:42,840 corpses and throwing the bodies to the 2145 01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:44,339 side of the road but one killer stood 2146 01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:46,500 out from the others by carefully 2147 01:21:44,340 --> 01:21:49,319 dismembering his victims cleaning them 2148 01:21:46,500 --> 01:21:52,439 up and tidally bagging them the Press 2149 01:21:49,319 --> 01:21:54,960 called these the trash bag murders the 2150 01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:56,099 homicide cops called them the bag 2151 01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:58,560 murders 2152 01:21:56,100 --> 01:22:01,440 some experts claim that serial killing 2153 01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:03,300 is an addiction once they begin killing 2154 01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:05,579 and sometimes they kill the first time 2155 01:22:03,300 --> 01:22:07,500 by accident serial killers find 2156 01:22:05,579 --> 01:22:09,479 themselves addicted to murder in an 2157 01:22:07,500 --> 01:22:12,119 intense cycle that begins with homicidal 2158 01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:14,579 sexual fantasies that in turn spark a 2159 01:22:12,119 --> 01:22:16,619 desperate search for crimes leading to a 2160 01:22:14,579 --> 01:22:18,479 brutal killing followed by a period of 2161 01:22:16,619 --> 01:22:20,939 cooling off and a return to a normal 2162 01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:23,639 daily routine with all its unbearable 2163 01:22:20,939 --> 01:22:25,619 stresses disappointments and hurts which 2164 01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:27,500 lead back to the re-emerging need to 2165 01:22:25,619 --> 01:22:30,479 start fantasizing about killing again 2166 01:22:27,500 --> 01:22:31,859 once a killing cycle is triggered it is 2167 01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:34,139 rarely broken 2168 01:22:31,859 --> 01:22:36,238 with time trapped in this addiction 2169 01:22:34,140 --> 01:22:38,400 cycle serial killers become more 2170 01:22:36,238 --> 01:22:40,439 frenzied and the frequency and violence 2171 01:22:38,399 --> 01:22:43,019 of their murders escalate exponentially 2172 01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:45,599 until they're either caught or burnout 2173 01:22:43,020 --> 01:22:47,760 the killer reaches a point where killing 2174 01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:49,500 no longer satisfies them and they stop 2175 01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:51,239 on their own accord if nothing else 2176 01:22:49,500 --> 01:22:53,698 interrupts their killing career 2177 01:22:51,238 --> 01:22:55,979 some commit suicide move on to commit 2178 01:22:53,698 --> 01:22:56,759 other crimes or turn themselves into the 2179 01:22:55,979 --> 01:23:00,178 police 2180 01:22:56,760 --> 01:23:04,079 a study of 326 U.S male serial killers 2181 01:23:00,179 --> 01:23:06,179 between 1800 and 1995 concluded that 87 2182 01:23:04,079 --> 01:23:09,719 percent had killed at least one stranger 2183 01:23:06,179 --> 01:23:12,119 and 70 percent killed only strangers 2184 01:23:09,719 --> 01:23:14,819 the most prolific serial killers also 2185 01:23:12,119 --> 01:23:16,500 tend to be the most organized they 2186 01:23:14,819 --> 01:23:18,719 methodically stalk their victims for the 2187 01:23:16,500 --> 01:23:20,880 best opportunity to strike so as not to 2188 01:23:18,719 --> 01:23:23,939 be seen and they smartly dump the bodies 2189 01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:26,279 far away so as not to leave any clues 2190 01:23:23,939 --> 01:23:27,960 although anyone can be targeted victims 2191 01:23:26,279 --> 01:23:30,019 of serial killers tend to be the most 2192 01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:33,239 vulnerable in society children 2193 01:23:30,020 --> 01:23:35,520 prostitutes and the elderly but the most 2194 01:23:33,238 --> 01:23:37,198 striking and intriguing aspect of Serial 2195 01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:39,600 murderers is the nature of their 2196 01:23:37,198 --> 01:23:42,899 motivation to satisfy an intense 2197 01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:44,760 appetite for power and sadism the serial 2198 01:23:42,899 --> 01:23:47,819 murderer tends to kill not for love 2199 01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:51,000 money or Revenge but just for the fun of 2200 01:23:47,819 --> 01:23:53,460 it because it makes him feel good 2201 01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:55,140 because John LeMay told his neighbor 2202 01:23:53,460 --> 01:23:57,480 that he was going to visit someone named 2203 01:23:55,140 --> 01:23:59,400 Dave in Redondo Beach police equated 2204 01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:01,259 that name with a name that regularly 2205 01:23:59,399 --> 01:24:03,658 appeared in the sign-in sheets at the 2206 01:24:01,260 --> 01:24:05,640 gay bath houses and soon was knocking on 2207 01:24:03,658 --> 01:24:08,698 the door of the modest Kearney Hill home 2208 01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:11,100 in Redondo kernian Hill welcomed them in 2209 01:24:08,698 --> 01:24:13,678 and seemed to be relaxed concerned about 2210 01:24:11,100 --> 01:24:16,199 the missing boy and totally innocent 2211 01:24:13,679 --> 01:24:17,880 while there though investigators help 2212 01:24:16,198 --> 01:24:19,919 themselves to a few carpet fibers 2213 01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:21,960 because For the first time in a trash 2214 01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:23,520 bag murder carpet fibers have been 2215 01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:28,560 caught up in the nylon filament tape 2216 01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:30,239 used seal the bags the fibers matched as 2217 01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:32,159 soon as the police left Kearney 2218 01:24:30,238 --> 01:24:34,619 destroyed all the files he'd kept on 2219 01:24:32,158 --> 01:24:36,179 Dean Coral the police came back and 2220 01:24:34,619 --> 01:24:38,399 asked for samples of both kearneys and 2221 01:24:36,179 --> 01:24:42,119 Hills pubic hair as well as hairs from 2222 01:24:38,399 --> 01:24:43,619 their dog the pair cooperated fully all 2223 01:24:42,119 --> 01:24:46,380 the fibers and hair matched evidence 2224 01:24:43,619 --> 01:24:48,238 left on lemay's body but when the cops 2225 01:24:46,380 --> 01:24:51,840 came back again this time with a search 2226 01:24:48,238 --> 01:24:54,539 warrant the couple was gone police found 2227 01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:56,159 a hacksaw with a fresh clean blade but 2228 01:24:54,539 --> 01:24:57,719 little bits of Blood and Tissue were 2229 01:24:56,158 --> 01:25:00,839 caught up in the corners 2230 01:24:57,719 --> 01:25:02,600 John lemay's Blood and Tissue they found 2231 01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:05,520 residual blood all over the bathroom 2232 01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:08,340 invisible to the naked eye but clearly 2233 01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:10,800 there under forensic examination they 2234 01:25:08,340 --> 01:25:12,300 found familiar nylon filament tape and a 2235 01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:14,219 search of kearney's office at Hughes 2236 01:25:12,300 --> 01:25:16,440 aircraft offered up a source of the 2237 01:25:14,219 --> 01:25:19,079 exact same trash bags used in what was 2238 01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:21,479 looking like upward of 20 murders 2239 01:25:19,079 --> 01:25:24,359 a good public relations campaign can be 2240 01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:26,579 hard for a criminal to outrun most 2241 01:25:24,359 --> 01:25:28,439 notably victims families use public 2242 01:25:26,579 --> 01:25:30,600 relations as a tool to ferret out 2243 01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:32,359 information from the public and to keep 2244 01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:35,280 pressure on the investigative bodies 2245 01:25:32,359 --> 01:25:36,960 tearful press conferences like those the 2246 01:25:35,279 --> 01:25:39,300 families of Lacey Peterson Natalie 2247 01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:41,640 Holloway and Brooke wilberger held keep 2248 01:25:39,300 --> 01:25:44,699 the story in the public eye and keep the 2249 01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:46,619 local police on their toes Amber Alerts 2250 01:25:44,698 --> 01:25:48,899 and the America's Most Wanted television 2251 01:25:46,619 --> 01:25:52,079 show turned citizens into amateur 2252 01:25:48,899 --> 01:25:54,719 sleuths rewards like those posted by 2253 01:25:52,079 --> 01:25:55,979 families or by Oprah Winfrey tend to 2254 01:25:54,719 --> 01:25:58,139 capture the attention of the viewing 2255 01:25:55,979 --> 01:26:00,779 public an outgrowth of which is a better 2256 01:25:58,139 --> 01:26:03,179 informed citizenry and fewer places for 2257 01:26:00,779 --> 01:26:05,158 a fugitive to hide the Hillside 2258 01:26:03,179 --> 01:26:07,260 Strangler investigation task force was 2259 01:26:05,158 --> 01:26:09,960 construed as a public relations vehicle 2260 01:26:07,260 --> 01:26:11,820 the Los Angeles Police Department going 2261 01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:13,980 through the usual high-profile motions 2262 01:26:11,819 --> 01:26:15,479 to reassure the public set up a special 2263 01:26:13,979 --> 01:26:17,459 task force which included the 2264 01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:19,138 investigating officers from the Glendale 2265 01:26:17,460 --> 01:26:21,539 Police Department and the Los Angeles 2266 01:26:19,139 --> 01:26:23,819 sheriff's department not that they had 2267 01:26:21,539 --> 01:26:25,800 anything new to go on but all the busy 2268 01:26:23,819 --> 01:26:27,299 commotion and news conferences looked 2269 01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:29,760 good on television 2270 01:26:27,300 --> 01:26:32,460 the pressure was on Kearny and Hill too 2271 01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:35,159 with their photographs posted on posters 2272 01:26:32,460 --> 01:26:37,980 when the heat was clearly on Kearney and 2273 01:26:35,158 --> 01:26:40,619 Hill flew to El Paso Texas but knew that 2274 01:26:37,979 --> 01:26:42,959 life on the lamb was not for them the 2275 01:26:40,619 --> 01:26:43,920 cops knew who they were and what they 2276 01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:45,960 looked like 2277 01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:48,960 at the behest of relatives the pair 2278 01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:52,260 returned to California and at 1 30 pm on 2279 01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:54,420 July 1 1977 walked into Riverside County 2280 01:26:52,260 --> 01:26:56,520 Sheriff's Office pointed at a wanted 2281 01:26:54,420 --> 01:26:59,340 poster with their pictures on it and 2282 01:26:56,520 --> 01:27:01,199 said we're them they were booked on 2283 01:26:59,340 --> 01:27:02,699 suspicion of two murders and had been 2284 01:27:01,198 --> 01:27:05,158 wanted for questioning in connection 2285 01:27:02,698 --> 01:27:06,779 with six other slayings 2286 01:27:05,158 --> 01:27:09,420 they were arraigned on the two murder 2287 01:27:06,779 --> 01:27:12,420 charges Bale was set at five hundred 2288 01:27:09,420 --> 01:27:14,100 thousand dollars each Kearney cooperated 2289 01:27:12,420 --> 01:27:16,560 fully with the police 2290 01:27:14,100 --> 01:27:18,600 he said the murders excited him and gave 2291 01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:20,340 him a feeling of dominance 2292 01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:23,460 the idea of hurting and killing someone 2293 01:27:20,340 --> 01:27:24,960 sounded sexually exciting when officers 2294 01:27:23,460 --> 01:27:26,520 skrilled him about picking up Marines 2295 01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:28,920 and feeding pills and booze to his 2296 01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:31,980 victims they got a blank look from him 2297 01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:34,139 they persisted wanting to know if he had 2298 01:27:31,979 --> 01:27:36,959 ever put anything but his penis into his 2299 01:27:34,139 --> 01:27:38,579 victim's rectums he used towels to keep 2300 01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:40,079 the bodies from leaking all over his 2301 01:27:38,579 --> 01:27:42,719 bathroom before he dismembered them 2302 01:27:40,079 --> 01:27:44,880 Kearney told them the police persisted 2303 01:27:42,719 --> 01:27:46,439 hoping to put to rest more of their 2304 01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:48,600 freeway Mysteries 2305 01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:50,460 how about torture did he Ram anything 2306 01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:53,039 into an anus for the sheer pleasure of 2307 01:27:50,460 --> 01:27:56,100 it recognition crossed kearney's face 2308 01:27:53,039 --> 01:27:59,039 and he shook his head I am not the 2309 01:27:56,100 --> 01:28:01,020 wooden stake he said he knew exactly 2310 01:27:59,039 --> 01:28:03,119 what the detectives were getting at but 2311 01:28:01,020 --> 01:28:06,360 impaling strangling and torturing his 2312 01:28:03,119 --> 01:28:09,479 victims wasn't his style a Bullet to the 2313 01:28:06,359 --> 01:28:11,279 Head was clean and simple he seemed 2314 01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:12,899 offended that he would be confused with 2315 01:28:11,279 --> 01:28:14,759 Randy craft 2316 01:28:12,899 --> 01:28:18,359 the trash bag murders investigation 2317 01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:20,940 began officially on April 13 1975 when 2318 01:28:18,359 --> 01:28:23,759 the body of Albert Rivera 21 of Los 2319 01:28:20,939 --> 01:28:26,279 Angeles was found near Highway 74 East 2320 01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:29,219 of San Juan Capistrano in a heavy duty 2321 01:28:26,279 --> 01:28:30,840 trash bag but according to Kearney in a 2322 01:28:29,219 --> 01:28:32,760 series of letters confessions and 2323 01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:34,980 conversations with the police the 2324 01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:37,920 killing began much earlier in the 2325 01:28:34,979 --> 01:28:39,658 mid-60s in Tijuana and San Diego 2326 01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:41,819 he led them to the site where he had 2327 01:28:39,658 --> 01:28:44,460 Buried one of his first victims known 2328 01:28:41,819 --> 01:28:46,979 only as George behind his and Hills 2329 01:28:44,460 --> 01:28:50,039 Culver City Apartment the victim was 2330 01:28:46,979 --> 01:28:52,198 killed around Christmas 1968. the police 2331 01:28:50,039 --> 01:28:54,119 dug where Kearney indicated and came up 2332 01:28:52,198 --> 01:28:57,299 with a skeleton with a single Bullet 2333 01:28:54,119 --> 01:28:59,579 Hole in its skull after killing George a 2334 01:28:57,300 --> 01:29:00,360 paranoid Tierney laid low for over a 2335 01:28:59,579 --> 01:29:03,000 year 2336 01:29:00,359 --> 01:29:04,920 nobody came knocking on his door and he 2337 01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:06,300 realized that he had actually gotten 2338 01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:08,100 away with murder 2339 01:29:06,300 --> 01:29:10,440 a neighbor said he occasionally heard 2340 01:29:08,100 --> 01:29:12,239 what she thought were gunshots but had 2341 01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:15,119 no idea they came from the kernian Hill 2342 01:29:12,238 --> 01:29:17,099 apartment after his arrest Kearney wrote 2343 01:29:15,119 --> 01:29:19,559 letters to the police detailing the 2344 01:29:17,100 --> 01:29:22,320 crimes the names of the victims and the 2345 01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:24,120 places the bodies could be found an 18th 2346 01:29:22,319 --> 01:29:26,579 count of murder was filed the same day 2347 01:29:24,119 --> 01:29:30,300 that the 13th Hillside Strangler victim 2348 01:29:26,579 --> 01:29:32,039 was found as to John LeMay Hill wasn't 2349 01:29:30,300 --> 01:29:34,320 home when his young lover came to the 2350 01:29:32,039 --> 01:29:35,340 house so Kearney invited him in to watch 2351 01:29:34,319 --> 01:29:38,039 television 2352 01:29:35,340 --> 01:29:39,900 without provocation Kearney shot Lemay 2353 01:29:38,039 --> 01:29:42,600 in the back of the head and later dumped 2354 01:29:39,899 --> 01:29:44,638 his remains in the desert he liked using 2355 01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:46,860 the desert the desert animals and 2356 01:29:44,639 --> 01:29:49,139 insects removed evidence quickly and 2357 01:29:46,859 --> 01:29:50,880 efficiently things disappear very 2358 01:29:49,139 --> 01:29:53,400 rapidly in the desert he told 2359 01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:55,800 investigators you can put a small animal 2360 01:29:53,399 --> 01:29:57,479 on an ant hill and it disappears right 2361 01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:59,579 in front of your eyes 2362 01:29:57,479 --> 01:30:01,259 Kearney once had a flat tire during one 2363 01:29:59,579 --> 01:30:03,539 of his drives to the desert to dispose 2364 01:30:01,260 --> 01:30:05,940 of a body when he discovered that the 2365 01:30:03,539 --> 01:30:07,380 spare was flat too he had to call a tow 2366 01:30:05,939 --> 01:30:08,279 truck to get his car to a service 2367 01:30:07,380 --> 01:30:10,739 station 2368 01:30:08,279 --> 01:30:12,719 Kearney stood by Sweating Bullets while 2369 01:30:10,738 --> 01:30:14,279 the attendant fixed the flat never 2370 01:30:12,719 --> 01:30:18,179 questioning the bags in the back seat 2371 01:30:14,279 --> 01:30:19,559 which contained arms legs a rib cage and 2372 01:30:18,179 --> 01:30:21,899 some intestines 2373 01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:24,360 another time he locked his keys in the 2374 01:30:21,899 --> 01:30:26,519 car while inspecting possible dump sites 2375 01:30:24,359 --> 01:30:28,319 it took him hours to Jimmy open the lock 2376 01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:30,600 with a coat hanger nervously looking 2377 01:30:28,319 --> 01:30:33,000 over his shoulder the whole time freshly 2378 01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:35,520 filled trash bags again in the back seat 2379 01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:37,639 as soon as the bags were unloaded though 2380 01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:41,159 he felt an enormous sense of relief 2381 01:30:37,639 --> 01:30:42,960 accomplishment and power after hearing 2382 01:30:41,158 --> 01:30:45,119 three hours of evidence the Riverside 2383 01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:47,520 County grand jury refused to indict 2384 01:30:45,119 --> 01:30:49,679 David Hill public defender Malcolm 2385 01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:51,780 McMillan spirited him out of jail under 2386 01:30:49,679 --> 01:30:53,699 cloak of secrecy to protect him from 2387 01:30:51,779 --> 01:30:56,219 reporters and photographers 2388 01:30:53,698 --> 01:30:58,259 he'll fled California and return to 2389 01:30:56,219 --> 01:31:01,739 Lubbock Riverside District Attorney 2390 01:30:58,260 --> 01:31:04,800 Byron Morton said the evidence against 2391 01:31:01,738 --> 01:31:06,238 Mr Hill was weak adding that much of the 2392 01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:09,020 information Unearthed by Riverside 2393 01:31:06,238 --> 01:31:11,279 investigators tended to exonerate Hill 2394 01:31:09,020 --> 01:31:13,620 MacMillan said he was not surprised the 2395 01:31:11,279 --> 01:31:15,059 grand jury refused to indict Hill adding 2396 01:31:13,619 --> 01:31:16,738 that he didn't think there is sufficient 2397 01:31:15,060 --> 01:31:19,080 evidence to hold him to answer in 2398 01:31:16,738 --> 01:31:21,599 Superior Court Kearney said that hill 2399 01:31:19,079 --> 01:31:22,500 was neither involved in nor aware of the 2400 01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,239 murders 2401 01:31:22,500 --> 01:31:27,119 he said that he committed all the 2402 01:31:24,238 --> 01:31:29,099 murders while Hill was away did Kearney 2403 01:31:27,119 --> 01:31:32,760 take all the blame to free an innocent 2404 01:31:29,100 --> 01:31:35,579 man or to absolve his lover is it likely 2405 01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:37,560 that hill was innocent against the 2406 01:31:35,579 --> 01:31:39,899 advice of his attorney Patrick Kearney 2407 01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:42,480 changed his not guilty plea to a plea of 2408 01:31:39,899 --> 01:31:44,638 guilty his attorney advised him to plead 2409 01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:46,138 not guilty by reason of insanity but 2410 01:31:44,639 --> 01:31:48,480 Kearney pleaded guilty to the original 2411 01:31:46,139 --> 01:31:50,460 Three charges of murder and asked to be 2412 01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:52,500 sentenced immediately in an apparent 2413 01:31:50,460 --> 01:31:55,739 move to avoid California's death penalty 2414 01:31:52,500 --> 01:31:57,738 his actions were moot the death penalty 2415 01:31:55,738 --> 01:32:00,718 law didn't go into effect until August 2416 01:31:57,738 --> 01:32:03,178 1977. all of kearney's homicides 2417 01:32:00,719 --> 01:32:05,698 predated that time so the death penalty 2418 01:32:03,179 --> 01:32:08,460 was never an option for prosecutors 2419 01:32:05,698 --> 01:32:10,559 Superior Judge John Hughes handed down a 2420 01:32:08,460 --> 01:32:12,060 life term with the possibility of parole 2421 01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:14,699 in seven years 2422 01:32:12,060 --> 01:32:16,560 judge Breckenridge said this defendant 2423 01:32:14,698 --> 01:32:19,198 has certainly perpetrated a series of 2424 01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:21,000 ghastly and grisly crimes 2425 01:32:19,198 --> 01:32:23,879 I can only hope the community release 2426 01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:26,880 board will never release Mr Kearney he 2427 01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:28,859 appears to be an insult to humanity for 2428 01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:31,319 what seems to be approximately 32 2429 01:32:28,859 --> 01:32:34,198 murders Kearney was eventually charged 2430 01:32:31,319 --> 01:32:37,198 with 21 counts of murder and received 21 2431 01:32:34,198 --> 01:32:39,178 life sentences if all of his confessions 2432 01:32:37,198 --> 01:32:42,119 are truthful he also murdered two 2433 01:32:39,179 --> 01:32:43,619 children ages 5 and 8 along with four 2434 01:32:42,119 --> 01:32:46,198 victims whose bodies were never 2435 01:32:43,619 --> 01:32:49,559 recovered at least seven of his victims 2436 01:32:46,198 --> 01:32:51,419 remain unidentified Patrick Kearney is 2437 01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:52,380 today living out his life sentences in 2438 01:32:51,420 --> 01:32:54,719 California 2439 01:32:52,380 --> 01:32:57,300 he writes essays and has a few of them 2440 01:32:54,719 --> 01:32:59,279 published the trash bag murders are 2441 01:32:57,300 --> 01:33:01,980 considered among the most heinous crimes 2442 01:32:59,279 --> 01:33:04,259 of the 20th century Patrick kearney's 2443 01:33:01,979 --> 01:33:07,559 swath of death ranks him with the likes 2444 01:33:04,260 --> 01:33:10,860 of Jerry brudos Ted Bundy Jeffrey Dahmer 2445 01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:14,159 and John Wayne Gacy if he hadn't gotten 2446 01:33:10,859 --> 01:33:18,859 sloppy consciously or unconsciously he'd 2447 01:33:14,158 --> 01:33:18,859 probably still be doing it today 2448 01:33:20,819 --> 01:33:25,319 in the suburb of Melbourne Australia 2449 01:33:22,979 --> 01:33:28,319 known as Frankston during a span of 2450 01:33:25,319 --> 01:33:30,599 weeks in the summer of 1993 two teenage 2451 01:33:28,319 --> 01:33:32,819 girls and a young adult woman lost their 2452 01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:35,039 lives at the hands of a violent serial 2453 01:33:32,819 --> 01:33:37,799 killer and another middle-aged woman was 2454 01:33:35,039 --> 01:33:39,779 attacked but managed to survive 2455 01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:41,460 since none of the victims were linked to 2456 01:33:39,779 --> 01:33:43,619 one another except for their location 2457 01:33:41,460 --> 01:33:46,198 which was less than an hour from 2458 01:33:43,619 --> 01:33:48,119 Melbourne in Southeastern Victoria the 2459 01:33:46,198 --> 01:33:50,519 crimes were not initially connected for 2460 01:33:48,119 --> 01:33:52,319 certain but eventually police highly 2461 01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:54,780 suspected they were in pursuit of a 2462 01:33:52,319 --> 01:33:56,639 single serial killer in these cases who 2463 01:33:54,779 --> 01:33:59,579 was in the habit of choosing victims 2464 01:33:56,639 --> 01:34:01,440 randomly and stabbing them to death the 2465 01:33:59,579 --> 01:34:03,059 community would soon find out that the 2466 01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:06,000 killer was someone who had lived among 2467 01:34:03,060 --> 01:34:09,420 them for a while a 21 year old man named 2468 01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:11,760 Paul Charles denier at six feet tall and 2469 01:34:09,420 --> 01:34:14,279 being overweight as well he definitely 2470 01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:15,840 looked like an imposing Force but it was 2471 01:34:14,279 --> 01:34:18,000 his complete lack of emotion when 2472 01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:21,119 arrested that revealed how devoid of 2473 01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:23,158 humanity he really was while some have 2474 01:34:21,119 --> 01:34:25,559 described denier's resembling Canadian 2475 01:34:23,158 --> 01:34:27,539 actor John Candy who was famous for his 2476 01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:29,219 role in numerous comedies such as planes 2477 01:34:27,539 --> 01:34:31,500 trails and Automobiles The Blues 2478 01:34:29,219 --> 01:34:34,439 Brothers Uncle Buck and Cool Runnings 2479 01:34:31,500 --> 01:34:36,420 and 40 other films the similarities 2480 01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:39,299 stopped at the physical level 2481 01:34:36,420 --> 01:34:41,940 denier was no animal lover nor a family 2482 01:34:39,300 --> 01:34:44,699 man as his celebrity lookalike had been 2483 01:34:41,939 --> 01:34:47,039 in fact denier's history involves the 2484 01:34:44,698 --> 01:34:49,799 same telltale signs as many other serial 2485 01:34:47,039 --> 01:34:52,920 killers animal abuse being prominent in 2486 01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:54,539 his childhood as for movies denier much 2487 01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:57,000 preferred those centered around blood 2488 01:34:54,539 --> 01:34:59,219 and gore rather than comedy supposedly 2489 01:34:57,000 --> 01:35:02,279 watching and re-watching many times 2490 01:34:59,219 --> 01:35:04,679 films like The Stepfather Halloween and 2491 01:35:02,279 --> 01:35:06,420 fear he admitted to the police that he 2492 01:35:04,679 --> 01:35:08,699 had had the urge to kill for the better 2493 01:35:06,420 --> 01:35:10,800 part of his adolescence claiming since 2494 01:35:08,698 --> 01:35:13,439 just 14 years of age 2495 01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:16,020 I've always wanted a kill waiting for 2496 01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:19,079 the right time waiting for that silent 2497 01:35:16,020 --> 01:35:21,000 alarm to trigger me off this culminated 2498 01:35:19,079 --> 01:35:22,679 seven years later 2499 01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:25,679 born to British parents who had 2500 01:35:22,679 --> 01:35:27,719 immigrated to Australia in 1965 Paul 2501 01:35:25,679 --> 01:35:32,399 Charles denier arrived into this world 2502 01:35:27,719 --> 01:35:34,619 on April 14 1972 in Sydney Maureen and 2503 01:35:32,399 --> 01:35:36,658 Anthony denier had two older boys at the 2504 01:35:34,619 --> 01:35:39,779 time and would have another boy and a 2505 01:35:36,658 --> 01:35:41,399 girl after Paul as an infant Paul was 2506 01:35:39,779 --> 01:35:43,800 said to have taken a fall off a bench 2507 01:35:41,399 --> 01:35:45,479 bumping his head and so there was a 2508 01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:47,699 running family joke blaming anything 2509 01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:50,039 Paul did that was out of the ordinary on 2510 01:35:47,698 --> 01:35:52,678 the incident while that teasing occurred 2511 01:35:50,039 --> 01:35:54,420 at home in school denier at first 2512 01:35:52,679 --> 01:35:56,279 struggled to socialize with others in 2513 01:35:54,420 --> 01:35:58,920 kindergarten even though he seemed to 2514 01:35:56,279 --> 01:36:02,039 adjust by the end of the year even so 2515 01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:04,500 the family's move in 1981 was not an 2516 01:36:02,039 --> 01:36:06,359 easy adjustment for tenure the move had 2517 01:36:04,500 --> 01:36:08,219 been brought about by Anthony denier's 2518 01:36:06,359 --> 01:36:10,859 work he was taking a management position 2519 01:36:08,219 --> 01:36:12,779 at the stake place on Center Road in 2520 01:36:10,859 --> 01:36:15,238 South Oakley which was on the Frankston 2521 01:36:12,779 --> 01:36:16,500 train line while all of the denier 2522 01:36:15,238 --> 01:36:18,959 children had a hard time leaving 2523 01:36:16,500 --> 01:36:20,579 Campbellton Paul denier was said to be a 2524 01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:23,340 completely different child at his new 2525 01:36:20,579 --> 01:36:25,319 school Northvale primary he was 2526 01:36:23,340 --> 01:36:27,960 described as a loner as a lacking 2527 01:36:25,319 --> 01:36:30,179 self-confidence and is being unmotivated 2528 01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:32,399 in his studies his fiscal 2529 01:36:30,179 --> 01:36:34,920 characteristics didn't help denyer blend 2530 01:36:32,399 --> 01:36:37,399 in much either he was noticeably tall 2531 01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:40,319 and also much heavier than other kids 2532 01:36:37,399 --> 01:36:42,420 his interests also put him at odds with 2533 01:36:40,319 --> 01:36:45,779 the norm collecting knives and homemade 2534 01:36:42,420 --> 01:36:48,060 slingshots as well as clubs using a 2535 01:36:45,779 --> 01:36:50,698 homemade knife denier split the throats 2536 01:36:48,060 --> 01:36:52,440 of his sister's teddy bears as if 2537 01:36:50,698 --> 01:36:54,839 destroying his siblings toys were not 2538 01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:56,819 disturbing enough he moved on a tent to 2539 01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:58,440 stab and slit the throat of the family's 2540 01:36:56,819 --> 01:37:00,539 kitten with his brother's pocket knife 2541 01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:03,599 proceeding to hang it then from a tree 2542 01:37:00,539 --> 01:37:05,819 in their backyard later on it came about 2543 01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:08,219 that denier had also treated a friend's 2544 01:37:05,819 --> 01:37:10,079 cat in a similar manner slaughtering it 2545 01:37:08,219 --> 01:37:12,359 and then he slid the throats of its 2546 01:37:10,079 --> 01:37:15,238 kittens multiple counts of animal 2547 01:37:12,359 --> 01:37:17,219 cruelty he even allegedly slaughtered 2548 01:37:15,238 --> 01:37:18,779 and dismembered two goats in a paddock 2549 01:37:17,219 --> 01:37:21,719 next door to his last place of 2550 01:37:18,779 --> 01:37:23,939 employment a marine Workshop he was 2551 01:37:21,719 --> 01:37:26,039 fired though as his employer felt he 2552 01:37:23,939 --> 01:37:27,779 didn't spend much time working and 2553 01:37:26,039 --> 01:37:30,238 instead poured his time into a hobby of 2554 01:37:27,779 --> 01:37:32,340 making knives at the job site other 2555 01:37:30,238 --> 01:37:34,859 crimes started piling up on denier's 2556 01:37:32,340 --> 01:37:36,960 record as he entered his teens including 2557 01:37:34,859 --> 01:37:39,299 car theft although he was only given a 2558 01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:41,219 warning for that just a couple of months 2559 01:37:39,300 --> 01:37:44,880 later he was charged with a false report 2560 01:37:41,219 --> 01:37:47,399 of a fire theft and willful damage he 2561 01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:49,380 was in trouble again and again 2562 01:37:47,399 --> 01:37:52,379 the crimes became more specifically 2563 01:37:49,380 --> 01:37:54,239 violent against humans and at age 15 he 2564 01:37:52,380 --> 01:37:56,880 was charged with assault when he coerced 2565 01:37:54,238 --> 01:37:58,319 another boy to masturbate publicly he 2566 01:37:56,880 --> 01:38:00,179 even lost employment due to his 2567 01:37:58,319 --> 01:38:02,099 treatment of people having allegedly 2568 01:38:00,179 --> 01:38:03,600 assaulted a woman and child with a line 2569 01:38:02,100 --> 01:38:06,360 of shopping trolleys at Safeway 2570 01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:08,940 supermarket Safeway did open a different 2571 01:38:06,359 --> 01:38:10,799 chapter in denir's life though as he met 2572 01:38:08,939 --> 01:38:14,158 Sharon Johnson while at work there in 2573 01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:15,960 1992. this would have been as close to a 2574 01:38:14,158 --> 01:38:18,599 normal relationship as he would ever 2575 01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:20,698 have other jobs never gave him a chance 2576 01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:22,980 such as the time he applied to the 2577 01:38:20,698 --> 01:38:25,678 Victorian police force perhaps 2578 01:38:22,979 --> 01:38:28,500 fortunately he was rejected citing his 2579 01:38:25,679 --> 01:38:30,600 being unfit physically unable to hold 2580 01:38:28,500 --> 01:38:32,880 down a job only added to the signs of 2581 01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:34,920 being a social outcast and he continued 2582 01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:37,859 to be obsessed with death or her murder 2583 01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:40,679 movies and in general anything Macabre 2584 01:38:37,859 --> 01:38:42,839 during all of this denier moved in with 2585 01:38:40,679 --> 01:38:45,658 Sharon Johnson who lived in a flat on 2586 01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:47,639 Denon Road in Frankston denier was 2587 01:38:45,658 --> 01:38:50,219 jobless and had a great deal of 2588 01:38:47,639 --> 01:38:51,960 unfocused time on his hands while Sharon 2589 01:38:50,219 --> 01:38:54,779 was working two jobs to keep up with the 2590 01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:57,239 bills not too long after denyer moved 2591 01:38:54,779 --> 01:38:59,399 into the flat disturbing things started 2592 01:38:57,238 --> 01:39:01,559 happening in the area a burglary 2593 01:38:59,399 --> 01:39:03,299 occurred in one flat and all of that 2594 01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:05,820 tenant's engagement photos and clothes 2595 01:39:03,300 --> 01:39:07,860 had been slashed with a knife there were 2596 01:39:05,819 --> 01:39:10,439 also accusations of a Peeping Tom by 2597 01:39:07,859 --> 01:39:12,000 another tenant meanwhile Daniel and 2598 01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:14,698 Johnson had become friends with yet 2599 01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:17,279 another tenant Trisha who had a sister 2600 01:39:14,698 --> 01:39:19,619 named Donna Donna didn't live on the 2601 01:39:17,279 --> 01:39:22,439 same block but close enough by with her 2602 01:39:19,619 --> 01:39:24,300 newborn baby and her fiance Les who 2603 01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:27,299 worked delivering pizzas late into the 2604 01:39:24,300 --> 01:39:29,520 night one evening Donna experienced a 2605 01:39:27,300 --> 01:39:32,219 series of unnerving prank calls and 2606 01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:34,320 joined Les with a baby out for a while 2607 01:39:32,219 --> 01:39:36,179 upon all arriving back to their home for 2608 01:39:34,319 --> 01:39:38,519 the night after Les's work was complete 2609 01:39:36,179 --> 01:39:40,739 they were met with quite a horrific 2610 01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:42,360 scene on the wall next to their 2611 01:39:40,738 --> 01:39:45,658 television was a message that appeared 2612 01:39:42,359 --> 01:39:48,599 to be written in blood dead Dawn and a 2613 01:39:45,658 --> 01:39:49,500 second message that read Donna you're 2614 01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:51,360 dead 2615 01:39:49,500 --> 01:39:52,619 scattered along the floor across the 2616 01:39:51,359 --> 01:39:55,979 living room and kitchen were the 2617 01:39:52,619 --> 01:39:57,059 entrails of Donna's cats Buffy blood was 2618 01:39:55,979 --> 01:39:58,678 everywhere 2619 01:39:57,060 --> 01:40:00,539 draped over the bulk of the cat's 2620 01:39:58,679 --> 01:40:02,039 disemboweled body was a picture of a 2621 01:40:00,539 --> 01:40:04,560 bikini-clad woman 2622 01:40:02,039 --> 01:40:06,658 oddly one of Buffy's eyes was bulging 2623 01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:09,179 from its socket while the other eye was 2624 01:40:06,658 --> 01:40:11,158 missing completely in a hauntingly 2625 01:40:09,179 --> 01:40:14,579 similar manner to another portion of the 2626 01:40:11,158 --> 01:40:16,619 story Buffy's kittens were not spared in 2627 01:40:14,579 --> 01:40:18,899 the bathroom the two kittens their 2628 01:40:16,619 --> 01:40:21,719 throats cut were lying in the baby's 2629 01:40:18,899 --> 01:40:24,238 bath which was full of bloodied water 2630 01:40:21,719 --> 01:40:26,698 no room untouched there's even blood 2631 01:40:24,238 --> 01:40:28,619 everywhere in the laundry room sprayed 2632 01:40:26,698 --> 01:40:31,500 all up the walls and even a freshly 2633 01:40:28,619 --> 01:40:33,539 laundered basket full of baby clothes in 2634 01:40:31,500 --> 01:40:36,119 another area the baby's clothing had 2635 01:40:33,539 --> 01:40:37,920 been slashed and destroyed as well the 2636 01:40:36,119 --> 01:40:40,019 flat itself had damages beyond the 2637 01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:42,300 remains of The Cat in the kitchen 2638 01:40:40,020 --> 01:40:44,760 cupboard doors bore splintered holes 2639 01:40:42,300 --> 01:40:46,739 where someone had kicked them in the 2640 01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:48,539 Intruder had opened every drawer and 2641 01:40:46,738 --> 01:40:50,638 clothes were ripped and strewn all 2642 01:40:48,539 --> 01:40:53,039 throughout the bedroom a collection of 2643 01:40:50,639 --> 01:40:55,020 centerfold Pinups that less had kept had 2644 01:40:53,039 --> 01:40:57,479 been slashed and stabbed with some sort 2645 01:40:55,020 --> 01:41:00,420 of a knife another photo of a semi-clad 2646 01:40:57,479 --> 01:41:03,359 model was found at the baby's crib the 2647 01:41:00,420 --> 01:41:05,340 words Donna and Robin had been sprayed 2648 01:41:03,359 --> 01:41:08,698 in white shaving foam on The Dressing 2649 01:41:05,340 --> 01:41:11,219 Table mirror who Robin was remained a 2650 01:41:08,698 --> 01:41:12,658 mystery as one might imagine Donna 2651 01:41:11,219 --> 01:41:14,698 couldn't bring herself to stay at the 2652 01:41:12,658 --> 01:41:17,279 flat ever again after that night in 2653 01:41:14,698 --> 01:41:19,379 February 1993 so she opted to stay 2654 01:41:17,279 --> 01:41:21,119 temporarily with her sister Trisha until 2655 01:41:19,380 --> 01:41:23,579 she found another place 2656 01:41:21,119 --> 01:41:25,619 Paul denier who knew Donna quite well 2657 01:41:23,579 --> 01:41:27,719 through Trisha had the gall to tell 2658 01:41:25,619 --> 01:41:29,579 Donna that she would be safe now even 2659 01:41:27,719 --> 01:41:31,859 going as far to say that if the police 2660 01:41:29,579 --> 01:41:33,600 found out who was responsible that he 2661 01:41:31,859 --> 01:41:36,238 would make it his mission to take care 2662 01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:39,300 of them for her just a few months later 2663 01:41:36,238 --> 01:41:42,359 a series of events unfolded that tied 2664 01:41:39,300 --> 01:41:45,239 everything together in June Elizabeth 2665 01:41:42,359 --> 01:41:46,679 Stevens an 18 year old student was 2666 01:41:45,238 --> 01:41:49,019 reported by her aunt and uncle is 2667 01:41:46,679 --> 01:41:50,340 missing she'd been staying with them but 2668 01:41:49,020 --> 01:41:53,219 didn't return in the evening they 2669 01:41:50,340 --> 01:41:55,199 reported her unfortunately her body was 2670 01:41:53,219 --> 01:41:57,359 recovered in Lloyd Park just a short 2671 01:41:55,198 --> 01:42:00,238 drive from Frankston on cranbourne Road 2672 01:41:57,359 --> 01:42:04,618 in langwarin the next day Saturday June 2673 01:42:00,238 --> 01:42:06,539 12 1993. her injuries were numerous six 2674 01:42:04,618 --> 01:42:08,639 deep knife wounds had penetrated her 2675 01:42:06,539 --> 01:42:11,279 chest four Cuts ran from her breast 2676 01:42:08,639 --> 01:42:13,800 through her abdomen and four ran across 2677 01:42:11,279 --> 01:42:16,019 to form a crisscross pattern of squares 2678 01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:18,840 her face had suffered cuts and abrasions 2679 01:42:16,020 --> 01:42:20,460 and her throat had been cut her nose 2680 01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:22,260 appeared to have been broken 2681 01:42:20,460 --> 01:42:24,779 although her bra was found around her 2682 01:42:22,260 --> 01:42:27,000 neck a postmortem exam indicated no 2683 01:42:24,779 --> 01:42:28,859 sexual intercourse had occurred as 2684 01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:31,139 Elizabeth had no known involvement with 2685 01:42:28,859 --> 01:42:33,658 anyone who would have been violent her 2686 01:42:31,139 --> 01:42:35,340 murder was suspected to be at random as 2687 01:42:33,658 --> 01:42:38,279 police went to Great Lengths to find the 2688 01:42:35,340 --> 01:42:40,619 killer they spared no resources even 2689 01:42:38,279 --> 01:42:42,420 going so far as to display a life-size 2690 01:42:40,618 --> 01:42:44,158 mannequin at a roadblock near the bus 2691 01:42:42,420 --> 01:42:46,319 stop where the teenager had last been 2692 01:42:44,158 --> 01:42:47,879 seen hoping that new details would be 2693 01:42:46,319 --> 01:42:50,819 brought forward in the case and 2694 01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:52,859 therefore New Leads bus drivers and 2695 01:42:50,819 --> 01:42:54,420 passengers were questioned all of the 2696 01:42:52,859 --> 01:42:56,339 residents in the district were as well 2697 01:42:54,420 --> 01:42:58,500 even the local libraries were 2698 01:42:56,340 --> 01:43:02,340 investigated but no one seemed to know 2699 01:42:58,500 --> 01:43:05,039 anything more then in July on the 8th a 2700 01:43:02,340 --> 01:43:07,380 41 year old named rosatoth who worked as 2701 01:43:05,039 --> 01:43:08,939 a bank clerk was violently attacked on 2702 01:43:07,380 --> 01:43:11,340 her way home from Seaford in the 2703 01:43:08,939 --> 01:43:13,319 Frankston District her attacker claimed 2704 01:43:11,340 --> 01:43:15,900 to have a gun and attempted to force her 2705 01:43:13,319 --> 01:43:18,118 into the cover of the woods Mrs Toth 2706 01:43:15,899 --> 01:43:20,339 fought off her attacker despite him 2707 01:43:18,118 --> 01:43:22,259 ripping hair from her head she bit his 2708 01:43:20,340 --> 01:43:24,600 hands and continued fighting back until 2709 01:43:22,260 --> 01:43:26,760 he gave up and ran away at which point 2710 01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:28,800 she merged with torn stockings and no 2711 01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:30,960 pants at a roadway where she caught the 2712 01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:33,600 attention of a car that was approaching 2713 01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:35,399 she escaped with her life that night and 2714 01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:38,639 police assumed it was a purse snatching 2715 01:43:35,399 --> 01:43:40,319 gone wrong that same night a 22 year old 2716 01:43:38,639 --> 01:43:42,900 woman Was preparing dinner when she 2717 01:43:40,319 --> 01:43:45,118 realized she was out of milk she drove 2718 01:43:42,899 --> 01:43:47,219 to the store in Seaford but went missing 2719 01:43:45,118 --> 01:43:50,399 during the trip she was the mother of a 2720 01:43:47,219 --> 01:43:53,760 newborn Jake who was just 12 days old 2721 01:43:50,399 --> 01:43:55,618 and her name was Debbie Freeman it 2722 01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:57,960 wasn't until the 12th four days later 2723 01:43:55,618 --> 01:44:00,779 that her body was found by local farmer 2724 01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:03,300 in Carrom Downs Debbie Freeman had been 2725 01:44:00,779 --> 01:44:06,539 stabbed a total of 24 times along her 2726 01:44:03,300 --> 01:44:09,659 chest neck head and arms and also was 2727 01:44:06,539 --> 01:44:11,939 strangled but like the first victim she 2728 01:44:09,658 --> 01:44:13,920 had not been sexually violated 2729 01:44:11,939 --> 01:44:16,079 the police began to link both of these 2730 01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:18,300 stabbings and the attack on razatoth 2731 01:44:16,079 --> 01:44:20,760 looking for just one suspect for all 2732 01:44:18,300 --> 01:44:22,560 three of these crimes to deal with the 2733 01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:25,320 fear in the community a help center 2734 01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:27,300 called operation reassurance was created 2735 01:44:25,319 --> 01:44:29,639 to be a resource for women regarding how 2736 01:44:27,300 --> 01:44:33,000 to prevent attacks and what to do if one 2737 01:44:29,639 --> 01:44:34,859 was attacked even so one more teenager 2738 01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:38,158 would lose her life before the killer 2739 01:44:34,859 --> 01:44:40,920 was stopped on July 30th Natalie Russell 2740 01:44:38,158 --> 01:44:42,960 who was 17 years old was riding back to 2741 01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:45,179 her house from John Paul College on her 2742 01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:47,819 bike in Frankston it was the middle of 2743 01:44:45,179 --> 01:44:49,739 the afternoon when she disappeared that 2744 01:44:47,819 --> 01:44:51,599 night her remains were found in some 2745 01:44:49,738 --> 01:44:54,178 bushes between the peninsula and the 2746 01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:55,980 Long Island golf clubs her slain body 2747 01:44:54,179 --> 01:44:58,560 bore multiple stab wounds around her 2748 01:44:55,979 --> 01:45:00,118 face and neck her throat was slashed and 2749 01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:02,400 yet there was no proof of sexual 2750 01:45:00,118 --> 01:45:04,799 intercourse just as in the cases of the 2751 01:45:02,399 --> 01:45:06,899 other two murdered women there was 2752 01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:08,579 something new in this case though a 2753 01:45:06,899 --> 01:45:10,379 piece of evidence that would become key 2754 01:45:08,579 --> 01:45:12,899 was left on the body 2755 01:45:10,380 --> 01:45:14,940 a small piece of skin thought to be from 2756 01:45:12,899 --> 01:45:16,859 a finger was removed from the neck of 2757 01:45:14,939 --> 01:45:19,859 the victim that had belonged to her 2758 01:45:16,859 --> 01:45:22,439 killer also a sighting by a reliable 2759 01:45:19,859 --> 01:45:24,839 source a police officer no less had 2760 01:45:22,439 --> 01:45:27,118 occurred that seemed to be related at 2761 01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:29,520 about 3 pm someone had seen a Toyota 2762 01:45:27,118 --> 01:45:31,559 Corona that was memorably yellow and 2763 01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:33,119 near the bike track this was about the 2764 01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:35,580 time the coroner thought the murder of 2765 01:45:33,118 --> 01:45:36,658 Natalie Russell had taken place the 2766 01:45:35,579 --> 01:45:38,460 officer had written down the 2767 01:45:36,658 --> 01:45:41,339 registration number after determining 2768 01:45:38,460 --> 01:45:43,679 the car had no plates and so was suspect 2769 01:45:41,340 --> 01:45:45,420 running the registration number gave the 2770 01:45:43,679 --> 01:45:46,679 police a match with a report from a 2771 01:45:45,420 --> 01:45:48,840 postal worker 2772 01:45:46,679 --> 01:45:51,000 the man had been sitting suspiciously in 2773 01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:53,039 the front seat slumping as if he didn't 2774 01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:55,500 want to be seen and something about it 2775 01:45:53,039 --> 01:45:57,658 had bothered the postal worker that 2776 01:45:55,500 --> 01:45:59,460 wasn't much but it also came up that 2777 01:45:57,658 --> 01:46:01,500 this was a match to a car seen in the 2778 01:45:59,460 --> 01:46:04,319 area where Debbie Freeman's body was 2779 01:46:01,500 --> 01:46:06,899 discovered and that was no random 2780 01:46:04,319 --> 01:46:10,259 Circumstance the registration indeed 2781 01:46:06,899 --> 01:46:11,819 belonged to Paul Charles denier denier 2782 01:46:10,260 --> 01:46:14,219 wasn't home though when the police 2783 01:46:11,819 --> 01:46:16,859 showed up at his apartment at 3 30 PM 2784 01:46:14,219 --> 01:46:19,079 that day detective Mick Hughes and 2785 01:46:16,859 --> 01:46:21,299 Charlie bezina slipped a card under the 2786 01:46:19,079 --> 01:46:22,500 door and requested contact hoping to 2787 01:46:21,300 --> 01:46:24,300 hear something later 2788 01:46:22,500 --> 01:46:27,000 Sharon Johnson was the one who called 2789 01:46:24,300 --> 01:46:28,619 them back at 5 15 pm and they reassured 2790 01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:30,899 her it was just part of the canvassing 2791 01:46:28,618 --> 01:46:33,179 of the neighborhood a routine inquiry 2792 01:46:30,899 --> 01:46:35,099 they didn't want to scare denier off 2793 01:46:33,179 --> 01:46:37,618 before they could find him and quickly 2794 01:46:35,100 --> 01:46:40,139 proceeded to put together a team within 2795 01:46:37,618 --> 01:46:42,839 10 minutes the group headed by mchughes 2796 01:46:40,139 --> 01:46:44,460 Rod Wilson and CIB detective Darren 2797 01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:47,340 O'Loughlin were at the scene of the 2798 01:46:44,460 --> 01:46:50,340 flats at 186 Frankston Dandenong Road 2799 01:46:47,340 --> 01:46:52,560 ready to take denier when they knocked 2800 01:46:50,340 --> 01:46:54,480 denier seemed rather calm and collected 2801 01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:56,639 and had an answer for most of the 2802 01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:59,459 questions they asked him why was he 2803 01:46:56,639 --> 01:47:01,380 driving a car with no plates well he 2804 01:46:59,460 --> 01:47:03,179 actually had a 28-day permit to do so 2805 01:47:01,380 --> 01:47:05,639 while he made the repairs it needed 2806 01:47:03,179 --> 01:47:07,380 before it could be registered why had 2807 01:47:05,639 --> 01:47:09,000 his car been seen in the areas of each 2808 01:47:07,380 --> 01:47:11,219 crime scene during the time frames of 2809 01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:13,319 the murders he claimed his card broken 2810 01:47:11,219 --> 01:47:14,819 down near the bike trail which was the 2811 01:47:13,319 --> 01:47:16,500 area where Natalie Russell had been 2812 01:47:14,819 --> 01:47:18,359 found and that he had been picking up 2813 01:47:16,500 --> 01:47:20,819 Sharon near the train when his car had 2814 01:47:18,359 --> 01:47:23,399 been spotted the other time what didn't 2815 01:47:20,819 --> 01:47:26,158 match up were all of the cuts and even 2816 01:47:23,399 --> 01:47:28,500 the missing skin on his hands he had an 2817 01:47:26,158 --> 01:47:30,599 answer for that too tying it back to the 2818 01:47:28,500 --> 01:47:32,279 car repairs and saying that he'd gotten 2819 01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:34,500 injured while working on the fan in the 2820 01:47:32,279 --> 01:47:36,658 car engine denier denied knowing 2821 01:47:34,500 --> 01:47:38,639 anything about the murders at all except 2822 01:47:36,658 --> 01:47:40,979 for what he'd learned from the news 2823 01:47:38,639 --> 01:47:43,679 but the detective saw through all of the 2824 01:47:40,979 --> 01:47:45,059 excuses and numerous coincidences they 2825 01:47:43,679 --> 01:47:47,219 proceeded to take him into the police 2826 01:47:45,060 --> 01:47:49,080 station for questioning in the 2827 01:47:47,219 --> 01:47:51,658 interrogation room they requested hair 2828 01:47:49,079 --> 01:47:53,219 and blood samples for a DNA test all 2829 01:47:51,658 --> 01:47:55,618 throughout the night he had maintained 2830 01:47:53,219 --> 01:47:58,020 his innocence but the realization of the 2831 01:47:55,618 --> 01:48:00,179 implications of a DNA match changed the 2832 01:47:58,020 --> 01:48:02,639 game for him he asked how long the 2833 01:48:00,179 --> 01:48:04,139 results would be before they returned he 2834 01:48:02,639 --> 01:48:05,940 wanted to know if they had a sample from 2835 01:48:04,139 --> 01:48:08,460 the victims that purportedly had come 2836 01:48:05,939 --> 01:48:11,399 from the Killer out of nowhere he 2837 01:48:08,460 --> 01:48:14,158 suddenly and spontaneously admitted okay 2838 01:48:11,399 --> 01:48:16,079 I killed all three of them detective 2839 01:48:14,158 --> 01:48:18,539 Darren o'loughlin's interrogation was 2840 01:48:16,079 --> 01:48:20,760 finally getting somewhere it was now the 2841 01:48:18,539 --> 01:48:22,560 early morning hours of August 1st and 2842 01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:24,960 denyer began to reveal the details of 2843 01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:27,360 his murders of Elizabeth Stevens Debbie 2844 01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:30,179 frame and Natalie Russell as well as 2845 01:48:27,359 --> 01:48:33,539 Rosa toth's attack in a detached 2846 01:48:30,179 --> 01:48:35,639 completely unremorseful and almost smug 2847 01:48:33,539 --> 01:48:38,158 manner denier delivered his confession 2848 01:48:35,639 --> 01:48:40,319 as one who was describing a job process 2849 01:48:38,158 --> 01:48:41,899 to a group of new employees or 2850 01:48:40,319 --> 01:48:44,519 recounting his day to an acquaintance 2851 01:48:41,899 --> 01:48:47,279 but certainly not like one who is 2852 01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:48,960 describing violent acts the sense of 2853 01:48:47,279 --> 01:48:51,238 control he appeared to feel was 2854 01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:52,980 something he immensely enjoyed he was 2855 01:48:51,238 --> 01:48:55,979 the only one who had information that 2856 01:48:52,979 --> 01:48:58,319 they were after and he knew it as for 2857 01:48:55,979 --> 01:49:01,138 Elizabeth Stevens murder he confirmed 2858 01:48:58,319 --> 01:49:03,479 that it was at random he described it as 2859 01:49:01,139 --> 01:49:05,460 being a rainy gloomy Knight and she had 2860 01:49:03,479 --> 01:49:08,459 gotten off the bus around 7pm at the 2861 01:49:05,460 --> 01:49:10,618 stop on cranbourne Road in langwarrin he 2862 01:49:08,460 --> 01:49:13,380 was waiting around the bus stop saw her 2863 01:49:10,618 --> 01:49:15,118 and decided to follow her while it would 2864 01:49:13,380 --> 01:49:16,679 have only been a short walk until she 2865 01:49:15,118 --> 01:49:19,019 was back at the safety of her aunt and 2866 01:49:16,679 --> 01:49:21,118 uncles instead she found herself being 2867 01:49:19,020 --> 01:49:23,040 grabbed from behind and told that she 2868 01:49:21,118 --> 01:49:25,500 would be finished off if she screamed or 2869 01:49:23,039 --> 01:49:27,658 tried to run denier used a piece of 2870 01:49:25,500 --> 01:49:29,698 aluminum pipe to feign having a gun held 2871 01:49:27,658 --> 01:49:32,219 on his victim and persuaded her to go 2872 01:49:29,698 --> 01:49:34,678 into the woods at Lloyd Park his account 2873 01:49:32,219 --> 01:49:36,779 included that they walked into a bit of 2874 01:49:34,679 --> 01:49:39,779 Bushland beside the main track in Lloyd 2875 01:49:36,779 --> 01:49:42,899 Park sat there you know stood in the 2876 01:49:39,779 --> 01:49:46,319 bushes for a while just I can't remember 2877 01:49:42,899 --> 01:49:48,779 just standing there I suppose I held the 2878 01:49:46,319 --> 01:49:50,460 gun to the back of her neck walked 2879 01:49:48,779 --> 01:49:52,319 across the track over towards the other 2880 01:49:50,460 --> 01:49:54,779 small Sand Hill or something 2881 01:49:52,319 --> 01:49:57,238 and on the other side of that Hill she 2882 01:49:54,779 --> 01:49:59,939 asked me if she could you know go to the 2883 01:49:57,238 --> 01:50:02,039 toilet so to speak so I respected her 2884 01:49:59,939 --> 01:50:03,419 privacy so I turned around and 2885 01:50:02,039 --> 01:50:04,260 everything while she did it and 2886 01:50:03,420 --> 01:50:06,300 everything 2887 01:50:04,260 --> 01:50:08,639 when she finished we just walked down 2888 01:50:06,300 --> 01:50:10,199 toward where the goal posts are and we 2889 01:50:08,639 --> 01:50:12,719 turned right and headed toward the area 2890 01:50:10,198 --> 01:50:14,759 where she was found I got to that area 2891 01:50:12,719 --> 01:50:16,880 there and I started choking her with my 2892 01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:19,739 hands and she passed out after a while 2893 01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:22,500 you know the oxygen got cut off to her 2894 01:50:19,738 --> 01:50:24,359 head and she just stopped and then I 2895 01:50:22,500 --> 01:50:26,639 pulled out the knife and stabbed her 2896 01:50:24,359 --> 01:50:29,519 many times in the throat and she was 2897 01:50:26,639 --> 01:50:31,800 still alive then she stood up and we 2898 01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:34,080 walked around and all that just walking 2899 01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:35,940 around a few steps and then I threw her 2900 01:50:34,079 --> 01:50:38,519 on the ground and stuck my foot over her 2901 01:50:35,939 --> 01:50:40,500 neck to finish her off he continued in 2902 01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:42,840 his straightforward manner despite how 2903 01:50:40,500 --> 01:50:44,460 gruesome the details became the 2904 01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:46,199 interrogation video has an account of 2905 01:50:44,460 --> 01:50:48,300 him showing detectives just how he 2906 01:50:46,198 --> 01:50:50,460 strangled Elizabeth employing his thumb 2907 01:50:48,300 --> 01:50:52,920 into her throat and how he had stabbed 2908 01:50:50,460 --> 01:50:54,539 her throat he even remembered in clear 2909 01:50:52,920 --> 01:50:57,000 detail the trauma signs Elizabeth 2910 01:50:54,539 --> 01:50:59,399 displayed right before her death in the 2911 01:50:57,000 --> 01:51:01,738 form of shaking but he continued to 2912 01:50:59,399 --> 01:51:04,039 recount all of this without any emotion 2913 01:51:01,738 --> 01:51:07,559 and the motive for all this violence 2914 01:51:04,039 --> 01:51:08,279 denier stated that he just wanted to 2915 01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:10,619 kill 2916 01:51:08,279 --> 01:51:13,559 just wanted to take a life because I 2917 01:51:10,618 --> 01:51:16,019 felt my life had been taken many times 2918 01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:17,760 immediately after her death denier had 2919 01:51:16,020 --> 01:51:20,159 then left Elizabeth Stevens body near 2920 01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:21,900 the drain and disposed of the knife now 2921 01:51:20,158 --> 01:51:25,198 in pieces and which he had made himself 2922 01:51:21,899 --> 01:51:26,939 along his route back home of course this 2923 01:51:25,198 --> 01:51:28,919 wasn't the only crime in which he had 2924 01:51:26,939 --> 01:51:30,000 made use of his fake gun or homemade 2925 01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:32,340 knives 2926 01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:34,920 he also confessed in detail to the July 2927 01:51:32,340 --> 01:51:36,779 8th incident with Mrs Toth having also 2928 01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:38,760 come up from behind her after following 2929 01:51:36,779 --> 01:51:40,679 her from the station in Seaford and 2930 01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:43,739 having placed his hand over her mouth to 2931 01:51:40,679 --> 01:51:45,300 ensure she didn't scream instead Mrs 2932 01:51:43,738 --> 01:51:47,218 Toth had bit his finger through to the 2933 01:51:45,300 --> 01:51:49,020 bone as she put up a fight that 2934 01:51:47,219 --> 01:51:51,899 ultimately ended up with her being able 2935 01:51:49,020 --> 01:51:53,880 to escape him Mrs Toth at first couldn't 2936 01:51:51,899 --> 01:51:56,158 get the attention of any passing cars 2937 01:51:53,880 --> 01:51:58,199 and denier had initially not given up 2938 01:51:56,158 --> 01:52:00,779 chasing after her and grabbing her by 2939 01:51:58,198 --> 01:52:02,339 the hair he tried similar threats as he 2940 01:52:00,779 --> 01:52:04,618 had used on Elizabeth 2941 01:52:02,340 --> 01:52:07,440 shut up or I'll blow your goddamned head 2942 01:52:04,618 --> 01:52:09,539 off and Mrs Toth supposedly nodded and 2943 01:52:07,439 --> 01:52:11,519 started to go with him until she tried 2944 01:52:09,539 --> 01:52:13,859 again to escape and successfully caught 2945 01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:16,260 the attention of another car at this 2946 01:52:13,859 --> 01:52:18,359 point tenure left to evade being caught 2947 01:52:16,260 --> 01:52:19,920 and what would he have done if he had 2948 01:52:18,359 --> 01:52:22,380 been successful in getting her to go 2949 01:52:19,920 --> 01:52:25,800 with them I was just gonna drag her into 2950 01:52:22,380 --> 01:52:27,359 the park and kill her that's all that 2951 01:52:25,800 --> 01:52:29,460 same night he went back to the train 2952 01:52:27,359 --> 01:52:31,799 station and got on as if nothing had 2953 01:52:29,460 --> 01:52:34,319 happened heading toward Frankston and 2954 01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:36,239 departing the bus at kananuk it was 2955 01:52:34,319 --> 01:52:38,219 nearby this station that Debbie frame 2956 01:52:36,238 --> 01:52:40,439 was on her milk run stepping out of her 2957 01:52:38,219 --> 01:52:42,539 great Pulsar which Daniel decided to 2958 01:52:40,439 --> 01:52:43,678 enter via the rear door and crouched 2959 01:52:42,539 --> 01:52:47,340 down to wait 2960 01:52:43,679 --> 01:52:49,380 she got in unaware and began to drive it 2961 01:52:47,340 --> 01:52:51,539 was at that time denier began to use his 2962 01:52:49,380 --> 01:52:54,179 fake gun routine to gain control of the 2963 01:52:51,539 --> 01:52:56,039 situation I waited for her to start up 2964 01:52:54,179 --> 01:52:58,739 the car so no one would hear her scream 2965 01:52:56,039 --> 01:53:00,719 or anything then you're conveyed and she 2966 01:52:58,738 --> 01:53:03,178 put it into gear and she went to do a 2967 01:53:00,719 --> 01:53:04,920 U-turn I startled her just as she was 2968 01:53:03,179 --> 01:53:07,199 doing that turn and she kept going into 2969 01:53:04,920 --> 01:53:10,079 the wall of The Milk Bar which caused a 2970 01:53:07,198 --> 01:53:11,939 dent in the Bonnet I told her to you 2971 01:53:10,079 --> 01:53:14,340 know shut up or I'd blow her head off 2972 01:53:11,939 --> 01:53:16,079 and all that he even admitted to 2973 01:53:14,340 --> 01:53:17,940 noticing the baby car seat in the back 2974 01:53:16,079 --> 01:53:19,800 when the police asked him if anything 2975 01:53:17,939 --> 01:53:21,299 was in the back seat and so the 2976 01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:23,480 knowledge that she was the mother of a 2977 01:53:21,300 --> 01:53:26,460 small child did not even deter him 2978 01:53:23,479 --> 01:53:28,738 guiding her to a remote area denier 2979 01:53:26,460 --> 01:53:30,480 continued to threaten her I told her 2980 01:53:28,738 --> 01:53:32,939 when we got there if she gave any 2981 01:53:30,479 --> 01:53:36,238 signals to anyone I'd blow her head off 2982 01:53:32,939 --> 01:53:38,158 I'd decorate the car with her brains the 2983 01:53:36,238 --> 01:53:40,979 terrified woman drove until she was told 2984 01:53:38,158 --> 01:53:42,779 to pull over by a stand of trees in the 2985 01:53:40,979 --> 01:53:44,399 darkness and cover of the woods he 2986 01:53:42,779 --> 01:53:47,579 presented a new addition to his 2987 01:53:44,399 --> 01:53:50,219 collection of tools a simple cord I 2988 01:53:47,579 --> 01:53:52,019 popped it over her eyes real quickly so 2989 01:53:50,219 --> 01:53:54,179 she didn't see it because I was gonna 2990 01:53:52,020 --> 01:53:56,940 strangle her but I didn't want her to 2991 01:53:54,179 --> 01:53:59,340 see the cord first I lifted the cord up 2992 01:53:56,939 --> 01:54:01,259 and said can you see this and she just 2993 01:53:59,340 --> 01:54:03,779 put her hand up to grab it to feel it 2994 01:54:01,260 --> 01:54:06,600 and when she did that I just yanked on 2995 01:54:03,779 --> 01:54:08,460 it real quickly around her neck and then 2996 01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:11,039 I was struggling with her for about five 2997 01:54:08,460 --> 01:54:13,319 minutes after strangling Debbie with a 2998 01:54:11,039 --> 01:54:15,179 cord until she was all but lifeless he 2999 01:54:13,319 --> 01:54:17,639 proceeded to use his knife to stab her 3000 01:54:15,179 --> 01:54:19,380 in the neck and chest she started 3001 01:54:17,639 --> 01:54:22,199 breathing out of her neck just like 3002 01:54:19,380 --> 01:54:25,618 Elizabeth Stevens he told the detectives 3003 01:54:22,198 --> 01:54:28,439 I could hear bubbling noises just as Mrs 3004 01:54:25,618 --> 01:54:30,539 Toff had Debbie fought for her life but 3005 01:54:28,439 --> 01:54:33,479 the isolated area gave her little chance 3006 01:54:30,539 --> 01:54:36,359 to overcome her attacker he was recorded 3007 01:54:33,479 --> 01:54:38,218 as saying yeah she put up quite a fight 3008 01:54:36,359 --> 01:54:39,899 and her white jumper was pulled off 3009 01:54:38,219 --> 01:54:42,000 during that time as well 3010 01:54:39,899 --> 01:54:44,579 I just felt the same way I did when I 3011 01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:46,800 killed Elizabeth Stevens as the single 3012 01:54:44,579 --> 01:54:48,600 stab to the stomach was noticeable the 3013 01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:51,239 police inquired about that specifically 3014 01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:53,699 I lifted her up top and then plowed the 3015 01:54:51,238 --> 01:54:56,218 knife into her gut I wanted to see how 3016 01:54:53,698 --> 01:54:59,279 big her boobs were he said that when he 3017 01:54:56,219 --> 01:55:01,560 saw Debbie's bare stomach he just lunged 3018 01:54:59,279 --> 01:55:04,019 at it with a knife when it was obvious 3019 01:55:01,560 --> 01:55:05,820 Debbie was no longer alive he disposed 3020 01:55:04,020 --> 01:55:07,440 of her body in the trees covering it 3021 01:55:05,819 --> 01:55:09,059 with some branches which he said he 3022 01:55:07,439 --> 01:55:09,960 broke off himself from the surrounding 3023 01:55:09,060 --> 01:55:11,880 trees 3024 01:55:09,960 --> 01:55:14,520 realizing that he had dropped his knife 3025 01:55:11,880 --> 01:55:16,800 he spent some time perhaps five minutes 3026 01:55:14,520 --> 01:55:19,320 searching the area until he recovered it 3027 01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:21,239 and took it with him he actually used 3028 01:55:19,319 --> 01:55:23,519 Debbie Freeman's car to get back closer 3029 01:55:21,238 --> 01:55:26,399 to home leaving it to walk the rest of 3030 01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:28,440 the way once there he called Sharon who 3031 01:55:26,399 --> 01:55:30,059 was at work and arranged a meter to pick 3032 01:55:28,439 --> 01:55:32,819 her up the cannonok railway station 3033 01:55:30,060 --> 01:55:36,239 where the incident had all begun 3034 01:55:32,819 --> 01:55:39,118 but why had he killed Debbie frame same 3035 01:55:36,238 --> 01:55:42,059 reason why I killed Elizabeth Stevens I 3036 01:55:39,118 --> 01:55:43,979 just wanted to came the chilling answer 3037 01:55:42,060 --> 01:55:45,780 it was not until the next morning that 3038 01:55:43,979 --> 01:55:47,399 denier had seemed to think anything of 3039 01:55:45,779 --> 01:55:50,039 the other contents of the car he had 3040 01:55:47,399 --> 01:55:52,138 abandoned he actually had the guts to go 3041 01:55:50,039 --> 01:55:54,840 back to it in order to retrieve certain 3042 01:55:52,139 --> 01:55:56,639 items the milk eggs chocolate and 3043 01:55:54,840 --> 01:55:59,520 cigarettes which had all been from The 3044 01:55:56,639 --> 01:56:01,859 Milk Bar and Debbie's purse he intended 3045 01:55:59,520 --> 01:56:04,560 to dispose of all these dumping the milk 3046 01:56:01,859 --> 01:56:06,118 and eggs burning the cartons and bearing 3047 01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:08,100 the purse in a golf course 3048 01:56:06,118 --> 01:56:09,539 obviously aware that his possession of 3049 01:56:08,100 --> 01:56:11,520 any evidence could lead to his being 3050 01:56:09,539 --> 01:56:14,279 caught he hid the knife Parts in the 3051 01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:16,320 Flat's laundry room air vent yet he 3052 01:56:14,279 --> 01:56:18,300 admitted all this freely now 3053 01:56:16,319 --> 01:56:20,039 this golf course would be the same one 3054 01:56:18,300 --> 01:56:22,739 near where he killed Natalie Russell 3055 01:56:20,039 --> 01:56:24,779 along the bike track this was no 3056 01:56:22,738 --> 01:56:26,579 coincidence though and police were about 3057 01:56:24,779 --> 01:56:29,519 to learn of one major difference between 3058 01:56:26,579 --> 01:56:31,679 the previous attacks and this final one 3059 01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:33,420 so far the questioning had resulted in 3060 01:56:31,679 --> 01:56:35,340 confessions for all but one of the 3061 01:56:33,420 --> 01:56:37,739 crimes denier was the main suspect for 3062 01:56:35,340 --> 01:56:38,760 and the process had taken a total of 12 3063 01:56:37,738 --> 01:56:40,859 hours 3064 01:56:38,760 --> 01:56:42,659 if what had been shared so far wasn't 3065 01:56:40,859 --> 01:56:44,639 enough to convince everyone that Paul 3066 01:56:42,658 --> 01:56:46,799 denier was beyond all hope of Being 3067 01:56:44,639 --> 01:56:49,260 Human and needed to be locked up for 3068 01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:50,820 life and stripped of all freedoms than 3069 01:56:49,260 --> 01:56:53,880 what he was about to share would 3070 01:56:50,819 --> 01:56:55,859 certainly ensure his fate was sealed in 3071 01:56:53,880 --> 01:56:57,719 this chapter of tenure's confession he 3072 01:56:55,859 --> 01:56:59,519 freely admits that a certain level of 3073 01:56:57,719 --> 01:57:00,179 planning went into Natalie Russell's 3074 01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:02,340 murder 3075 01:57:00,179 --> 01:57:04,380 he had a desire to abduct a young woman 3076 01:57:02,340 --> 01:57:06,560 and although he didn't have a specific 3077 01:57:04,380 --> 01:57:09,239 Target in mind he did have a location 3078 01:57:06,560 --> 01:57:12,599 the bike track at the floor and fauna 3079 01:57:09,238 --> 01:57:14,759 Reserve in nearby langwarrin then under 3080 01:57:12,599 --> 01:57:17,819 the cover of woods just as in the other 3081 01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:19,619 cases he would murder the young woman as 3082 01:57:17,819 --> 01:57:22,319 the reserve was bordered by a wire fence 3083 01:57:19,618 --> 01:57:23,880 he came prepared with pliers making a 3084 01:57:22,319 --> 01:57:25,439 hole in three separate places through 3085 01:57:23,880 --> 01:57:28,020 which he could drag his victim into the 3086 01:57:25,439 --> 01:57:30,238 woods he did this much earlier in the 3087 01:57:28,020 --> 01:57:32,699 day and then returned to the site in the 3088 01:57:30,238 --> 01:57:35,039 afternoon he only had to wait about 20 3089 01:57:32,698 --> 01:57:36,779 minutes after he arrived at 2 30 before 3090 01:57:35,039 --> 01:57:39,420 a young woman entered the path off the 3091 01:57:36,779 --> 01:57:42,179 road from John Paul College she wore a 3092 01:57:39,420 --> 01:57:44,158 blue school uniform following his victim 3093 01:57:42,179 --> 01:57:45,840 and armed with another homemade knife 3094 01:57:44,158 --> 01:57:48,658 and leather strap he told the 3095 01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:50,400 investigators I stuck about 10 yards 3096 01:57:48,658 --> 01:57:53,698 behind her until I got to the second 3097 01:57:50,399 --> 01:57:55,500 hole and just when I got to that hole I 3098 01:57:53,698 --> 01:57:57,479 quickly walked up behind her and stuck 3099 01:57:55,500 --> 01:57:59,819 my left hand around her mouth and held 3100 01:57:57,479 --> 01:58:02,459 the knife to her throat and that's where 3101 01:57:59,819 --> 01:58:04,738 that cut happened I cut that on my own 3102 01:58:02,460 --> 01:58:05,880 blade he explained his thumb with the 3103 01:58:04,738 --> 01:58:08,039 missing skin 3104 01:58:05,880 --> 01:58:10,500 as Natalie struggled he threatened her 3105 01:58:08,039 --> 01:58:13,079 and then she supposedly started to offer 3106 01:58:10,500 --> 01:58:15,420 him things in exchange for her life she 3107 01:58:13,079 --> 01:58:18,300 said you can have all my money have sex 3108 01:58:15,420 --> 01:58:20,340 with me and things just said disgusting 3109 01:58:18,300 --> 01:58:22,679 things like that really 3110 01:58:20,340 --> 01:58:24,900 he did not realize how perverse it was 3111 01:58:22,679 --> 01:58:27,239 that he would be so disgusted by the 3112 01:58:24,899 --> 01:58:28,679 victim he was attacking this was the 3113 01:58:27,238 --> 01:58:31,019 only emotion he seemed to show 3114 01:58:28,679 --> 01:58:33,179 throughout all of the interviews unless 3115 01:58:31,020 --> 01:58:35,639 you count the almost sense of Pride he 3116 01:58:33,179 --> 01:58:37,739 gave off the cut on her face happened as 3117 01:58:35,639 --> 01:58:40,260 denier compelled Natalie to kneel in 3118 01:58:37,738 --> 01:58:42,779 front of him and then lie down as he 3119 01:58:40,260 --> 01:58:45,179 held the knife near her eye he held her 3120 01:58:42,779 --> 01:58:46,979 by the throat and she struggled and he 3121 01:58:45,179 --> 01:58:47,940 cut her face as she managed to stand 3122 01:58:46,979 --> 01:58:51,118 back up 3123 01:58:47,939 --> 01:58:54,359 she screamed and I just said shut up 3124 01:58:51,118 --> 01:58:56,698 shut up shut up shut up and if you don't 3125 01:58:54,359 --> 01:58:58,738 shut up I'll kill you if you don't do 3126 01:58:56,698 --> 01:59:02,098 this I'll kill you if you don't do that 3127 01:58:58,738 --> 01:59:05,759 then you described his response and she 3128 01:59:02,099 --> 01:59:08,340 said what do you want from me I said all 3129 01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:10,440 I want you to do is shut up and so when 3130 01:59:08,340 --> 01:59:12,060 she was kneeling on the ground I put the 3131 01:59:10,439 --> 01:59:14,339 strap around her neck to strangle her 3132 01:59:12,060 --> 01:59:16,440 and it broke in half and then she 3133 01:59:14,340 --> 01:59:19,380 started violently struggling for about a 3134 01:59:16,439 --> 01:59:21,719 minute until I pushed got her onto her 3135 01:59:19,380 --> 01:59:24,420 back again and pushed her head back like 3136 01:59:21,719 --> 01:59:26,219 this and cut her throat denier had no 3137 01:59:24,420 --> 01:59:29,158 issue demonstrating the details of his 3138 01:59:26,219 --> 01:59:31,679 actions as he spoke I cut a small cut at 3139 01:59:29,158 --> 01:59:34,079 first and then she was bleeding and then 3140 01:59:31,679 --> 01:59:36,658 I stuck my fingers into her throat and 3141 01:59:34,079 --> 01:59:39,300 grabbed her cords and I twisted them 3142 01:59:36,658 --> 01:59:42,960 when asked why he would do that he 3143 01:59:39,300 --> 01:59:46,320 answered my whole fingers like that much 3144 01:59:42,960 --> 01:59:48,960 of my hand was inside her throat when 3145 01:59:46,319 --> 01:59:51,658 asked again he gave more details 3146 01:59:48,960 --> 01:59:54,599 stop her from breathing and then she 3147 01:59:51,658 --> 01:59:57,658 slowly stopped she sort of started to 3148 01:59:54,599 --> 01:59:59,639 faint and then she was weak a bit weaker 3149 01:59:57,658 --> 02:00:02,039 I grabbed the opportunity of throwing 3150 01:59:59,639 --> 02:00:04,139 her head back and one big large cut 3151 02:00:02,039 --> 02:00:07,859 which sort of cut almost her whole head 3152 02:00:04,139 --> 02:00:09,840 off and then she slowly died while most 3153 02:00:07,859 --> 02:00:11,639 can imagine the job of a detective can 3154 02:00:09,840 --> 02:00:13,800 be tough listening to the confessions 3155 02:00:11,639 --> 02:00:15,779 and working at scenes of a serial killer 3156 02:00:13,800 --> 02:00:18,000 brought the detectives through such a 3157 02:00:15,779 --> 02:00:19,559 dark side of humanity it was hard to 3158 02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:22,260 keep composure to finish the 3159 02:00:19,560 --> 02:00:24,360 interrogation yet they asked for the 3160 02:00:22,260 --> 02:00:27,719 sake of thoroughness why did you kill 3161 02:00:24,359 --> 02:00:29,399 her just the same reason as before just 3162 02:00:27,719 --> 02:00:33,000 everything came back through my mind 3163 02:00:29,399 --> 02:00:34,799 again I kicked her before I left he said 3164 02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:37,439 the kick was to ensure she was actually 3165 02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:40,980 dead and yet he slashed her one more 3166 02:00:37,439 --> 02:00:43,678 time after that ironically he was almost 3167 02:00:40,979 --> 02:00:45,779 caught then and there as he walked back 3168 02:00:43,679 --> 02:00:48,239 to his car with Natalie's blood still on 3169 02:00:45,779 --> 02:00:49,979 his hands you saw two officers examining 3170 02:00:48,238 --> 02:00:52,079 his car because of its lack of plates 3171 02:00:49,979 --> 02:00:53,698 and decided to leave it there and walk 3172 02:00:52,079 --> 02:00:54,539 back to his flat taking a different 3173 02:00:53,698 --> 02:00:56,698 route 3174 02:00:54,539 --> 02:00:58,738 to conceal the evidence he hid the knife 3175 02:00:56,698 --> 02:01:01,319 again but this time in the backyard 3176 02:00:58,738 --> 02:01:04,019 after cleaning up he went about business 3177 02:01:01,319 --> 02:01:05,759 as usual picking up Sharon from work and 3178 02:01:04,020 --> 02:01:07,380 going on to socialize with her at her 3179 02:01:05,760 --> 02:01:09,659 mother's home in town 3180 02:01:07,380 --> 02:01:11,039 adding to the list of crimes he then 3181 02:01:09,658 --> 02:01:14,219 tacked on a confession about his 3182 02:01:11,039 --> 02:01:16,019 neighbor's sister Donna and her cats he 3183 02:01:14,219 --> 02:01:18,179 even admitted that he had brought one of 3184 02:01:16,020 --> 02:01:20,820 his knives to murder Donna but she was 3185 02:01:18,179 --> 02:01:22,139 not home by the time he'd arrived while 3186 02:01:20,819 --> 02:01:23,579 that may have been the start of the 3187 02:01:22,139 --> 02:01:26,460 violence against women in the area 3188 02:01:23,579 --> 02:01:28,679 denier admitted he had stalked women for 3189 02:01:26,460 --> 02:01:31,319 years just waiting for the right time 3190 02:01:28,679 --> 02:01:35,099 waiting for that silent alarm to trigger 3191 02:01:31,319 --> 02:01:36,899 me off waiting for the sign what was it 3192 02:01:35,099 --> 02:01:40,800 about women that tenure had such a 3193 02:01:36,899 --> 02:01:44,519 problem with I just hate him I beg your 3194 02:01:40,800 --> 02:01:47,539 pardon said a Lachlan I just hate him 3195 02:01:44,520 --> 02:01:49,800 tenure repeated those particular girls 3196 02:01:47,539 --> 02:01:53,340 astolachlan in reference to Daniel's 3197 02:01:49,800 --> 02:01:55,500 victims or women in general 3198 02:01:53,340 --> 02:01:57,420 the exception would be Sharon who was 3199 02:01:55,500 --> 02:01:59,158 apparently completely clueless about her 3200 02:01:57,420 --> 02:02:00,779 boyfriend's doings while she was busy 3201 02:01:59,158 --> 02:02:04,079 working to support them 3202 02:02:00,779 --> 02:02:06,779 Sharon's not like anyone else I know I'd 3203 02:02:04,079 --> 02:02:09,719 never hurt her she's a kindred spirit 3204 02:02:06,779 --> 02:02:11,939 denier said and so denyer was formally 3205 02:02:09,719 --> 02:02:13,639 charged with three counts of murder and 3206 02:02:11,939 --> 02:02:16,079 initially one count of attempted murder 3207 02:02:13,639 --> 02:02:18,359 the charge for the incident with Mrs 3208 02:02:16,079 --> 02:02:21,059 Toth was changed to abduction later on 3209 02:02:18,359 --> 02:02:23,039 he pled guilty to all on December 15 3210 02:02:21,060 --> 02:02:25,020 1993. 3211 02:02:23,039 --> 02:02:26,698 standing trial before Justice Frank 3212 02:02:25,020 --> 02:02:29,159 Vincent at the Supreme Court of Victoria 3213 02:02:26,698 --> 02:02:31,979 the court heard expert testimony from a 3214 02:02:29,158 --> 02:02:33,779 clinical psychologist Ian joblin while 3215 02:02:31,979 --> 02:02:36,000 denyer was awaiting trial in the months 3216 02:02:33,779 --> 02:02:38,460 prior Joplin had the opportunity to 3217 02:02:36,000 --> 02:02:41,219 examine him what he observed in denir 3218 02:02:38,460 --> 02:02:43,319 was especially disturbing as denier not 3219 02:02:41,219 --> 02:02:45,060 only failed to show remorse but also 3220 02:02:43,319 --> 02:02:46,939 showed evidence of deriving great 3221 02:02:45,060 --> 02:02:49,380 pleasure from discussing the murders 3222 02:02:46,939 --> 02:02:51,359 denier also took little responsibility 3223 02:02:49,380 --> 02:02:52,618 for his life beyond admitting he had 3224 02:02:51,359 --> 02:02:54,420 done these things 3225 02:02:52,618 --> 02:02:56,399 he blamed his parents and the way they 3226 02:02:54,420 --> 02:02:58,679 raised him he accused one of his older 3227 02:02:56,399 --> 02:03:00,719 brothers of sexual abuse against him and 3228 02:02:58,679 --> 02:03:03,480 even his lack of employment as reasons 3229 02:03:00,719 --> 02:03:05,219 why he became a serial killer these 3230 02:03:03,479 --> 02:03:07,919 excuses could have been the stories of 3231 02:03:05,219 --> 02:03:10,198 many others all who never became serial 3232 02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:12,118 killers though his psychological 3233 02:03:10,198 --> 02:03:14,460 condition was beyond someone who just 3234 02:03:12,118 --> 02:03:17,158 hadn't had great luck in life his very 3235 02:03:14,460 --> 02:03:19,319 nature was aggressive cruel and thrived 3236 02:03:17,158 --> 02:03:22,799 on the suffering of others the suffering 3237 02:03:19,319 --> 02:03:25,198 he himself caused the term sadist was 3238 02:03:22,800 --> 02:03:26,940 used to describe denier he received 3239 02:03:25,198 --> 02:03:29,579 pleasure and albeit temporary 3240 02:03:26,939 --> 02:03:32,279 satisfaction every time he committed a 3241 02:03:29,579 --> 02:03:34,679 murder very quickly though he would lose 3242 02:03:32,279 --> 02:03:37,380 this satisfaction and then would set out 3243 02:03:34,679 --> 02:03:39,840 to kill again there was no cure for such 3244 02:03:37,380 --> 02:03:42,480 a person or hope for them to readjust to 3245 02:03:39,840 --> 02:03:44,400 society with this and all of the murder 3246 02:03:42,479 --> 02:03:46,979 evidence along with his confession 3247 02:03:44,399 --> 02:03:49,079 denier was sentenced on December 20th of 3248 02:03:46,979 --> 02:03:50,879 the same year the murders took place 3249 02:03:49,079 --> 02:03:52,920 he was given three terms of life 3250 02:03:50,880 --> 02:03:55,819 imprisonment plus eight years for the 3251 02:03:52,920 --> 02:03:57,658 abduction charge and no parole was set 3252 02:03:55,819 --> 02:04:00,420 acknowledging the suffering of the 3253 02:03:57,658 --> 02:04:02,098 community as a whole the judge said the 3254 02:04:00,420 --> 02:04:04,139 fear you have caused to thousands of 3255 02:04:02,099 --> 02:04:07,440 women in the community will be felt for 3256 02:04:04,139 --> 02:04:09,239 a long time for many you are the fear 3257 02:04:07,439 --> 02:04:11,519 that quickens their step as they walk 3258 02:04:09,238 --> 02:04:13,738 home or causes a parent to look 3259 02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:16,800 anxiously at the clock when a child is 3260 02:04:13,738 --> 02:04:19,019 late to the dismay of many especially 3261 02:04:16,800 --> 02:04:20,699 the victims families denier won an 3262 02:04:19,020 --> 02:04:25,080 appeal to the full court of the Supreme 3263 02:04:20,698 --> 02:04:28,019 Court of Victoria on July 29 1994 his 3264 02:04:25,079 --> 02:04:29,698 parole period was set at 30 years which 3265 02:04:28,020 --> 02:04:32,760 was still the highest set on record 3266 02:04:29,698 --> 02:04:35,638 besides that of Ashley Colston who also 3267 02:04:32,760 --> 02:04:38,039 murdered three people at age 35. without 3268 02:04:35,639 --> 02:04:39,599 a sentence of Lifetime imprisonment they 3269 02:04:38,039 --> 02:04:42,179 could see a day when the Frankston 3270 02:04:39,599 --> 02:04:45,539 serial killer would be released and just 3271 02:04:42,179 --> 02:04:47,399 50 some years old definitely still a 3272 02:04:45,539 --> 02:04:49,500 threat to the community considering 3273 02:04:47,399 --> 02:04:51,779 mental health experts are unable to 3274 02:04:49,500 --> 02:04:54,479 offer anything that could change such a 3275 02:04:51,779 --> 02:04:56,960 person's bent towards violence and 3276 02:04:54,479 --> 02:04:56,959 darkness 3277 02:04:58,859 --> 02:05:04,799 in September 1978 Rodney Alcala was a 3278 02:05:02,579 --> 02:05:07,500 winning contestant on Chuck paris's The 3279 02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:09,179 Dating Game Barris would later claim the 3280 02:05:07,500 --> 02:05:12,599 show was a front for his work with the 3281 02:05:09,179 --> 02:05:15,300 CIA alcala's tale is at least as lured 3282 02:05:12,599 --> 02:05:18,239 the game show had recently been revamped 3283 02:05:15,300 --> 02:05:18,900 to be more suggestive it was as corny as 3284 02:05:18,238 --> 02:05:21,839 ever 3285 02:05:18,899 --> 02:05:25,799 Alcala with his long hair leisure suit 3286 02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:27,539 gold chain earrings and pushy charms fit 3287 02:05:25,800 --> 02:05:29,400 the part perfectly 3288 02:05:27,539 --> 02:05:32,158 the episode introduced him to The 3289 02:05:29,399 --> 02:05:33,779 Bachelorette Cheryl Bradshaw as a 3290 02:05:32,158 --> 02:05:36,059 successful photographer who got his 3291 02:05:33,779 --> 02:05:37,979 start at the age of 13 when his father 3292 02:05:36,060 --> 02:05:40,560 found him in the dark room fully 3293 02:05:37,979 --> 02:05:43,138 developed the host told Bradshaw that 3294 02:05:40,560 --> 02:05:46,080 Alcala from Los Angeles was into 3295 02:05:43,139 --> 02:05:48,000 skydiving and motorcycling Alcala 3296 02:05:46,079 --> 02:05:49,679 managed to be somewhat less awkward than 3297 02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:52,139 his two competitors 3298 02:05:49,679 --> 02:05:54,779 Bradshaw a teacher from Phoenix Arizona 3299 02:05:52,139 --> 02:05:56,940 asked the three Bachelors hidden from 3300 02:05:54,779 --> 02:05:57,960 her view behind a screen to describe 3301 02:05:56,939 --> 02:06:00,238 themselves 3302 02:05:57,960 --> 02:06:02,760 I'm serving you for dinner what are you 3303 02:06:00,238 --> 02:06:05,098 called and what do you look like I'm 3304 02:06:02,760 --> 02:06:08,039 called the banana and I look really good 3305 02:06:05,099 --> 02:06:09,539 the lean Alcala confidently told her 3306 02:06:08,039 --> 02:06:12,000 peel me 3307 02:06:09,539 --> 02:06:14,519 intrigued Bradshaw then asked him to 3308 02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:16,560 pretend to audition for her drama class 3309 02:06:14,520 --> 02:06:17,820 she suggested he take the part of a 3310 02:06:16,560 --> 02:06:20,280 dirty old man 3311 02:06:17,819 --> 02:06:21,960 as a convicted sex offender it was 3312 02:06:20,279 --> 02:06:24,960 something he had some experience with 3313 02:06:21,960 --> 02:06:25,980 already so he just growled come on over 3314 02:06:24,960 --> 02:06:28,560 here 3315 02:06:25,979 --> 02:06:30,658 somehow his Commons worked and the lucky 3316 02:06:28,560 --> 02:06:32,520 pair won tennis lessons and a trip to 3317 02:06:30,658 --> 02:06:35,039 Magic Mountain one of the Los Angeles 3318 02:06:32,520 --> 02:06:37,199 area's local amusement parks 3319 02:06:35,039 --> 02:06:39,960 but after talking to alkala Backstage 3320 02:06:37,198 --> 02:06:42,299 Bradshaw wisely decided that Alcala was 3321 02:06:39,960 --> 02:06:43,439 less a swinging single than simply 3322 02:06:42,300 --> 02:06:45,679 creepy 3323 02:06:43,439 --> 02:06:48,779 she never did accompany him on that date 3324 02:06:45,679 --> 02:06:50,460 more than 20 years later Alcala would 3325 02:06:48,779 --> 02:06:53,099 point to a tape of that Dating Game 3326 02:06:50,460 --> 02:06:54,960 episode as proof that he'd already owned 3327 02:06:53,099 --> 02:06:56,880 the pair of gold ball earrings that 3328 02:06:54,960 --> 02:06:59,158 prosecutors would contend he was keeping 3329 02:06:56,880 --> 02:07:00,840 as a trophy of his kills along with a 3330 02:06:59,158 --> 02:07:02,939 collection of photographs of his Full 3331 02:07:00,840 --> 02:07:06,539 Assault and murder victims and Targets 3332 02:07:02,939 --> 02:07:08,879 in January 2010 Rodney James Alcala 3333 02:07:06,539 --> 02:07:10,738 started his third trial for the 1979 3334 02:07:08,880 --> 02:07:13,560 murder of a 12-year-old girl from 3335 02:07:10,738 --> 02:07:15,598 Huntington Beach California Robin samso 3336 02:07:13,560 --> 02:07:18,360 the courts had thrown out his two 3337 02:07:15,599 --> 02:07:20,699 previous convictions on technicalities 3338 02:07:18,359 --> 02:07:23,179 thanks to developments in DNA and blood 3339 02:07:20,698 --> 02:07:25,379 evidence technology in the 2010 trial 3340 02:07:23,179 --> 02:07:27,840 prosecutors would also charge him with 3341 02:07:25,380 --> 02:07:31,139 assaults and death of Jill barcom 3342 02:07:27,840 --> 02:07:33,900 Georgia wixted Charlotte lamb and Jill 3343 02:07:31,139 --> 02:07:36,239 parento he'd already been convicted of 3344 02:07:33,899 --> 02:07:38,579 two sex crimes and New York detectives 3345 02:07:36,238 --> 02:07:41,519 now believe he also killed two women in 3346 02:07:38,579 --> 02:07:45,118 Manhattan during the 70s James Alcala 3347 02:07:41,520 --> 02:07:47,340 was born in San Antonio Texas in 1943. 3348 02:07:45,118 --> 02:07:49,259 by the time he was 12 he and his mother 3349 02:07:47,340 --> 02:07:50,219 and sisters were living in Suburban Los 3350 02:07:49,260 --> 02:07:53,340 Angeles 3351 02:07:50,219 --> 02:07:55,500 his father had runoff Alcala joined the 3352 02:07:53,340 --> 02:07:57,840 army when he was 17 and served as an 3353 02:07:55,500 --> 02:07:58,738 army clerk but he only lasted a few 3354 02:07:57,840 --> 02:08:02,159 years 3355 02:07:58,738 --> 02:08:04,618 in 1964 he had a nervous breakdown 3356 02:08:02,158 --> 02:08:06,679 a military psychiatrist described him as 3357 02:08:04,618 --> 02:08:08,880 an anti-social personality 3358 02:08:06,679 --> 02:08:11,880 discharged he returned to Los Angeles 3359 02:08:08,880 --> 02:08:15,300 and enrolled at UCLA where he received a 3360 02:08:11,880 --> 02:08:18,659 bachelor Fine Arts degree in 1968. that 3361 02:08:15,300 --> 02:08:20,340 same year he abducted and nearly killed 3362 02:08:18,658 --> 02:08:23,399 an eight-year-old girl 3363 02:08:20,340 --> 02:08:25,500 tally S as the Press would know her was 3364 02:08:23,399 --> 02:08:27,899 on her way to school in Hollywood when a 3365 02:08:25,500 --> 02:08:30,539 passerby saw Rodney Alcala lure her into 3366 02:08:27,899 --> 02:08:32,638 his car on Sunset Boulevard the witness 3367 02:08:30,539 --> 02:08:34,679 followed Alcala and the girl to his De 3368 02:08:32,639 --> 02:08:35,699 Long prey Avenue apartment and called 3369 02:08:34,679 --> 02:08:37,800 the police 3370 02:08:35,698 --> 02:08:40,198 by the time officers arrived on the 3371 02:08:37,800 --> 02:08:43,139 scene Alcala had bashed the girl's skull 3372 02:08:40,198 --> 02:08:45,178 with a metal pipe and rear when they 3373 02:08:43,139 --> 02:08:47,159 knocked he stalled and snuck out the 3374 02:08:45,179 --> 02:08:50,340 back leaving the child nearly dead 3375 02:08:47,158 --> 02:08:52,679 surrounded by photography equipment Los 3376 02:08:50,340 --> 02:08:55,920 Angeles police detective Steve hodle 3377 02:08:52,679 --> 02:08:58,319 investigated he says professors at UCLA 3378 02:08:55,920 --> 02:08:59,579 told him he must have the wrong guy they 3379 02:08:58,319 --> 02:09:01,559 just couldn't imagine that the 3380 02:08:59,579 --> 02:09:03,840 well-spoken sophisticated art student 3381 02:09:01,560 --> 02:09:06,659 could have committed such a crime 3382 02:09:03,840 --> 02:09:07,800 Alcala fled Los Angeles to New York to 3383 02:09:06,658 --> 02:09:10,500 evade arrest 3384 02:09:07,800 --> 02:09:12,119 under the name John Berger Alcala 3385 02:09:10,500 --> 02:09:13,698 balanced a Playboy lifestyle with 3386 02:09:12,118 --> 02:09:16,198 coursework at New York University 3387 02:09:13,698 --> 02:09:19,500 including a film class taught by Future 3388 02:09:16,198 --> 02:09:21,839 sex offender Roman Polanski if NYPD 3389 02:09:19,500 --> 02:09:24,060 investigators are right Alcoa also 3390 02:09:21,840 --> 02:09:27,599 followed his crimes against talies with 3391 02:09:24,060 --> 02:09:31,080 another attack this one deadly on June 3392 02:09:27,599 --> 02:09:33,420 12 1971 someone reaped Cornelia Michael 3393 02:09:31,079 --> 02:09:35,880 Crilley and strangled her with her own 3394 02:09:33,420 --> 02:09:39,539 nylon stockings leaving her dead in her 3395 02:09:35,880 --> 02:09:41,639 apartment at 427 East 83rd Street the 23 3396 02:09:39,539 --> 02:09:43,560 year old TWA flight attendant had just 3397 02:09:41,639 --> 02:09:45,539 moved to the block back then famous 3398 02:09:43,560 --> 02:09:47,099 among Manhattan singles for its 3399 02:09:45,539 --> 02:09:49,979 unusually high concentration of 3400 02:09:47,099 --> 02:09:52,020 stewardesses and secretaries perhaps it 3401 02:09:49,979 --> 02:09:54,359 struck the attacker as a fertile hunting 3402 02:09:52,020 --> 02:09:56,940 ground at the time of the discovery of 3403 02:09:54,359 --> 02:10:00,179 the body the NYPD initially suspected 3404 02:09:56,939 --> 02:10:02,158 krilly's boyfriend Leon Borstein they 3405 02:10:00,179 --> 02:10:04,319 now believe that Rodney Alcala committed 3406 02:10:02,158 --> 02:10:06,238 the crime and say that saliva evidence 3407 02:10:04,319 --> 02:10:08,279 ties him to the crime scene 3408 02:10:06,238 --> 02:10:09,658 Borstein was then a Brooklyn assistant 3409 02:10:08,279 --> 02:10:11,579 district attorney 3410 02:10:09,658 --> 02:10:13,638 he has since served as the chief special 3411 02:10:11,579 --> 02:10:16,260 prosecutor for New York City 3412 02:10:13,639 --> 02:10:18,539 Borstein thinks Crilley met Alcala as 3413 02:10:16,260 --> 02:10:20,280 she moved into her new apartment he 3414 02:10:18,539 --> 02:10:22,079 speculates that the friendly young woman 3415 02:10:20,279 --> 02:10:23,519 might have accepted alcala's help in 3416 02:10:22,079 --> 02:10:25,679 moving some furniture 3417 02:10:23,520 --> 02:10:28,260 with the cops distracted by Borstein 3418 02:10:25,679 --> 02:10:31,020 Alcala slipped away again 3419 02:10:28,260 --> 02:10:33,119 still using the John Berger Alias he 3420 02:10:31,020 --> 02:10:35,580 took a job at a drama camp near New 3421 02:10:33,118 --> 02:10:37,618 Hampshire's Lake Sunapee when two 3422 02:10:35,579 --> 02:10:39,420 teenage girls took Shelter From a sudden 3423 02:10:37,618 --> 02:10:41,819 summer storm in the post office of the 3424 02:10:39,420 --> 02:10:43,440 Tiny Village of George's Mills they 3425 02:10:41,819 --> 02:10:45,599 noticed that their camp counselor John 3426 02:10:43,439 --> 02:10:47,638 Berger looked a lot like the Rodney 3427 02:10:45,599 --> 02:10:50,099 Alcala pictured on the FBI's 10 most 3428 02:10:47,639 --> 02:10:51,480 wanted poster the authorities were 3429 02:10:50,099 --> 02:10:53,940 seeking Alcala for the California 3430 02:10:51,479 --> 02:10:56,519 assault on Young talies 3431 02:10:53,939 --> 02:10:59,638 the Camper's alerted authorities and in 3432 02:10:56,520 --> 02:11:02,099 August of 1971 Alcala was arrested for 3433 02:10:59,639 --> 02:11:04,500 that crime the acrylic case was still 3434 02:11:02,099 --> 02:11:06,420 open but Alcala was found guilty and 3435 02:11:04,500 --> 02:11:07,500 sentenced for kidnapping and reaping 3436 02:11:06,420 --> 02:11:09,899 talies 3437 02:11:07,500 --> 02:11:11,880 thanks to then lenient California laws 3438 02:11:09,899 --> 02:11:13,859 that emphasized rehabilitating sex 3439 02:11:11,880 --> 02:11:16,980 offenders rather than putting them away 3440 02:11:13,859 --> 02:11:18,658 he served only 34 months despite 3441 02:11:16,979 --> 02:11:20,579 indications that the girl would have 3442 02:11:18,658 --> 02:11:22,859 died from her injuries had the witness 3443 02:11:20,579 --> 02:11:23,880 not LED police to alcala's apartment so 3444 02:11:22,859 --> 02:11:27,238 quickly 3445 02:11:23,880 --> 02:11:28,380 Rodney Alcala would soon be free to 3446 02:11:27,238 --> 02:11:31,859 strike again 3447 02:11:28,380 --> 02:11:34,859 in 1974 a 13-year-old girl known in 3448 02:11:31,859 --> 02:11:36,658 trial reports as Julie J made an 3449 02:11:34,859 --> 02:11:38,639 emergency call claiming that a man had 3450 02:11:36,658 --> 02:11:40,799 kidnapped her in Huntington Beach 3451 02:11:38,639 --> 02:11:42,900 she'd been waiting for the bus and 3452 02:11:40,800 --> 02:11:45,119 Rodney Alcala had offered her a ride to 3453 02:11:42,899 --> 02:11:47,339 school he then refused to let the 3454 02:11:45,118 --> 02:11:49,559 panicked girl out of his car until they 3455 02:11:47,340 --> 02:11:51,900 got to bolsachika State Beach 3456 02:11:49,560 --> 02:11:54,480 he dragged Julie to the cliffs forced 3457 02:11:51,899 --> 02:11:56,698 her to smoke marijuana and kissed her 3458 02:11:54,479 --> 02:11:58,979 Alcala was convicted only of violating 3459 02:11:56,698 --> 02:11:59,939 parole and Furnishing a minor with 3460 02:11:58,979 --> 02:12:02,158 marijuana 3461 02:11:59,939 --> 02:12:05,460 he spent just another two years in 3462 02:12:02,158 --> 02:12:07,259 prison when he got out alcala's trusting 3463 02:12:05,460 --> 02:12:09,118 parole officer gave him permission to go 3464 02:12:07,260 --> 02:12:12,960 to New York to visit relatives for the 3465 02:12:09,118 --> 02:12:15,118 summer of 1977. David Berkowitz better 3466 02:12:12,960 --> 02:12:16,800 known as the Son of Sam would be 3467 02:12:15,118 --> 02:12:18,960 arrested that August for a two-year 3468 02:12:16,800 --> 02:12:21,179 crime spree during which he shot Seven 3469 02:12:18,960 --> 02:12:21,899 young women and two men around New York 3470 02:12:21,179 --> 02:12:24,899 City 3471 02:12:21,899 --> 02:12:28,259 Alcala allegedly added to this summer of 3472 02:12:24,899 --> 02:12:29,879 Terror NYPD investigators believe Alcala 3473 02:12:28,260 --> 02:12:30,900 murdered a young Manhattan socialite 3474 02:12:29,880 --> 02:12:33,779 that summer 3475 02:12:30,899 --> 02:12:36,539 Ellen hover 23 was the daughter of 3476 02:12:33,779 --> 02:12:38,519 hermannhover the owner of Ciro's a 3477 02:12:36,539 --> 02:12:40,979 legendary Hollywood nightclub 3478 02:12:38,520 --> 02:12:44,159 Ciro's was first the epitome of big band 3479 02:12:40,979 --> 02:12:46,919 swing the height of rat pack glamor 3480 02:12:44,158 --> 02:12:49,859 Sammy Davis Jr and Dean Martin served as 3481 02:12:46,920 --> 02:12:52,440 Ellen's Godfathers her grandmother was a 3482 02:12:49,859 --> 02:12:54,658 gossip writer her Aunt Sheila Weller 3483 02:12:52,439 --> 02:12:56,698 writes for Vanity Fair 3484 02:12:54,658 --> 02:12:58,920 Ellen Hover was last seen in her 3485 02:12:56,698 --> 02:13:00,678 apartment on 3rd Avenue at 44th Street 3486 02:12:58,920 --> 02:13:03,719 on July 15 3487 02:13:00,679 --> 02:13:05,578 1977. her date book showed that she had 3488 02:13:03,719 --> 02:13:07,439 an appointment to meet with one John 3489 02:13:05,578 --> 02:13:09,179 Berger that same day 3490 02:13:07,439 --> 02:13:11,460 her stepfather hired a private 3491 02:13:09,179 --> 02:13:13,800 investigator and the family took out an 3492 02:13:11,460 --> 02:13:15,658 ad in the New York Times soliciting 3493 02:13:13,800 --> 02:13:18,719 information on the mysterious John 3494 02:13:15,658 --> 02:13:21,658 Berger Alcala simply moved back to Los 3495 02:13:18,719 --> 02:13:23,578 Angeles reverted to his own name and got 3496 02:13:21,658 --> 02:13:24,779 a job as a typesetter at the Los Angeles 3497 02:13:23,578 --> 02:13:27,238 Times 3498 02:13:24,779 --> 02:13:29,880 no one came forward with information on 3499 02:13:27,238 --> 02:13:32,339 John Berger until later that year 3500 02:13:29,880 --> 02:13:34,139 a tip to the FBI pointed out that a New 3501 02:13:32,340 --> 02:13:36,060 Hampshire Drama Camp counselor named 3502 02:13:34,139 --> 02:13:37,980 John Berger had been taken away by the 3503 02:13:36,060 --> 02:13:40,619 police a few years before 3504 02:13:37,979 --> 02:13:43,078 the FBI finally connected the dots and 3505 02:13:40,618 --> 02:13:45,420 questioned Alcala in Los Angeles 3506 02:13:43,078 --> 02:13:47,279 he admitted knowing Ellen hover but 3507 02:13:45,420 --> 02:13:49,739 investigators hadn't yet found her body 3508 02:13:47,279 --> 02:13:50,819 so they let him go and apparently filed 3509 02:13:49,738 --> 02:13:53,098 the case away 3510 02:13:50,819 --> 02:13:55,019 Ellen hover's body was eventually found 3511 02:13:53,099 --> 02:13:57,480 on the Rockefeller estate in North 3512 02:13:55,020 --> 02:14:00,119 Tarrytown New York just miles from a 3513 02:13:57,479 --> 02:14:02,039 hover family summer house and mere yards 3514 02:14:00,118 --> 02:14:04,380 from where an aspiring model would later 3515 02:14:02,039 --> 02:14:07,800 report that Berger had taken photos of 3516 02:14:04,380 --> 02:14:10,618 her meanwhile Rodney Alcala was up to 3517 02:14:07,800 --> 02:14:12,960 his old tricks while New York was busy 3518 02:14:10,618 --> 02:14:15,598 with the Son of Sam killings Los Angeles 3519 02:14:12,960 --> 02:14:17,279 endured the Hillside Strangler which 3520 02:14:15,599 --> 02:14:18,960 actually turned out to be two men who 3521 02:14:17,279 --> 02:14:20,340 were killing young women and dumping 3522 02:14:18,960 --> 02:14:21,658 their bodies in the wooded Ravines 3523 02:14:20,340 --> 02:14:25,380 around the city 3524 02:14:21,658 --> 02:14:26,638 and Los Angeles also had Rodney Alcala 3525 02:14:25,380 --> 02:14:28,199 again 3526 02:14:26,639 --> 02:14:30,179 the Los Angeles Police Department 3527 02:14:28,198 --> 02:14:33,359 initially thought the murder of Jill 3528 02:14:30,179 --> 02:14:36,000 barkholm 18 was the hillside strangler's 3529 02:14:33,359 --> 02:14:37,559 work Jill barcombe was a runaway 3530 02:14:36,000 --> 02:14:40,738 originally from Brooklyn 3531 02:14:37,560 --> 02:14:42,719 one of 11 kids she'd volunteered as a 3532 02:14:40,738 --> 02:14:43,618 candy striper and played the trumpet in 3533 02:14:42,719 --> 02:14:45,779 high school 3534 02:14:43,618 --> 02:14:47,519 she was barely five feet tall and 3535 02:14:45,779 --> 02:14:49,078 weighed less than 100 pounds when her 3536 02:14:47,520 --> 02:14:50,040 abductor picked her up on Sunset 3537 02:14:49,078 --> 02:14:52,019 Boulevard 3538 02:14:50,039 --> 02:14:54,658 her lifeless body showed up on a service 3539 02:14:52,020 --> 02:14:58,440 road off Mulholland Drive near Marlon 3540 02:14:54,658 --> 02:15:00,479 Brando's home in November 1977 the 3541 02:14:58,439 --> 02:15:01,618 discovery of barcom's corpse interrupted 3542 02:15:00,479 --> 02:15:03,959 a film shoot 3543 02:15:01,618 --> 02:15:05,578 she was nude kneeling as if she'd been 3544 02:15:03,960 --> 02:15:08,158 deliberately posed 3545 02:15:05,578 --> 02:15:11,039 her skull had been crushed probably with 3546 02:15:08,158 --> 02:15:13,500 a bloodied rock found nearby she'd been 3547 02:15:11,039 --> 02:15:16,920 assaulted and she'd been strangled three 3548 02:15:13,500 --> 02:15:18,920 times with a belt with her pantyhose and 3549 02:15:16,920 --> 02:15:21,480 with one of her pants legs 3550 02:15:18,920 --> 02:15:24,420 investigators now say that DNA evidence 3551 02:15:21,479 --> 02:15:26,519 at the scene matches Alcala the Hillside 3552 02:15:24,420 --> 02:15:28,739 Strangler task force eventually followed 3553 02:15:26,520 --> 02:15:31,560 Alcala to his mother's home interviewing 3554 02:15:28,738 --> 02:15:33,299 him there in March 1978. they were 3555 02:15:31,560 --> 02:15:34,079 questioning all sex offenders in the 3556 02:15:33,300 --> 02:15:36,119 area 3557 02:15:34,078 --> 02:15:37,799 they didn't actually suspect him of the 3558 02:15:36,118 --> 02:15:39,179 killings but did charge him with 3559 02:15:37,800 --> 02:15:41,820 possession of a small amount of 3560 02:15:39,179 --> 02:15:45,300 marijuana he was out of jail on the drug 3561 02:15:41,819 --> 02:15:47,880 charge by the end of June soon after he 3562 02:15:45,300 --> 02:15:51,360 appeared on The Dating Game but Rodney 3563 02:15:47,880 --> 02:15:55,440 Alcala had already claimed other victims 3564 02:15:51,359 --> 02:15:57,658 in December 1977 Georgia wicksted a 27 3565 02:15:55,439 --> 02:16:00,299 year old nurse was discovered dead in 3566 02:15:57,658 --> 02:16:02,698 her Malibu apartment this was just a 3567 02:16:00,300 --> 02:16:04,739 month after Jill barcone's murder and a 3568 02:16:02,698 --> 02:16:07,019 mere few days after the FBI had 3569 02:16:04,738 --> 02:16:09,059 questioned Rodney Alcala regarding Ellen 3570 02:16:07,020 --> 02:16:09,840 hover's death in New York earlier that 3571 02:16:09,060 --> 02:16:13,500 year 3572 02:16:09,840 --> 02:16:16,260 wixted 27 was last seen when she drove 3573 02:16:13,500 --> 02:16:18,779 another nurse Barbara Gale home from a 3574 02:16:16,260 --> 02:16:20,760 bar when she didn't show up for work the 3575 02:16:18,779 --> 02:16:23,279 next day Gail and her co-workers 3576 02:16:20,760 --> 02:16:25,679 reported her missing police arrived at 3577 02:16:23,279 --> 02:16:28,679 wickstead's apartment to find signs of 3578 02:16:25,679 --> 02:16:30,899 forced entry wixted was posed naked on 3579 02:16:28,679 --> 02:16:31,920 her bedroom floor strangled with her 3580 02:16:30,899 --> 02:16:34,920 nylons 3581 02:16:31,920 --> 02:16:37,379 she'd been assaulted and her skull had 3582 02:16:34,920 --> 02:16:40,500 been bashed in apparently with a nearby 3583 02:16:37,379 --> 02:16:42,959 hammer prosecutors now say DNA evidence 3584 02:16:40,500 --> 02:16:44,280 and a handprint found at the scene match 3585 02:16:42,959 --> 02:16:46,858 alcalas 3586 02:16:44,280 --> 02:16:49,979 Rodney alcala's crimes seemed to have 3587 02:16:46,859 --> 02:16:53,159 been falling into a pattern but no one 3588 02:16:49,978 --> 02:16:56,218 saw it at the time in June 1978 3589 02:16:53,159 --> 02:16:58,558 Charlotte lamb a 32 year old legal 3590 02:16:56,218 --> 02:17:00,598 secretary from Santa Monica was found 3591 02:16:58,558 --> 02:17:02,159 dead under similar circumstances in the 3592 02:17:00,599 --> 02:17:05,159 laundry room of the apartment complex 3593 02:17:02,159 --> 02:17:08,039 where she was living in El Segundo she'd 3594 02:17:05,159 --> 02:17:10,319 been assaulted beaten and strangled with 3595 02:17:08,040 --> 02:17:13,500 a shoelace and was posed with her hands 3596 02:17:10,319 --> 02:17:15,299 behind her back DNA at the scene would 3597 02:17:13,500 --> 02:17:18,120 once again turn out to match that of 3598 02:17:15,299 --> 02:17:19,978 Rodney Alcala and DNA on a pair of 3599 02:17:18,120 --> 02:17:22,200 earrings found in his storage locker 3600 02:17:19,978 --> 02:17:25,019 after Robin samso's murder would 3601 02:17:22,200 --> 02:17:26,939 eventually prove to match Lamb's DNA 3602 02:17:25,019 --> 02:17:28,978 Alcala had been interviewed by the 3603 02:17:26,939 --> 02:17:30,719 Hillside Strangler task force in 3604 02:17:28,978 --> 02:17:33,179 conjunction with Jill barcom's death 3605 02:17:30,718 --> 02:17:37,500 just weeks before he allegedly whipped 3606 02:17:33,179 --> 02:17:40,200 and killed lamb there would be more in 3607 02:17:37,500 --> 02:17:42,299 February 1979 Rodney Alcala later 3608 02:17:40,200 --> 02:17:45,300 confessed he picked up a 15 year old 3609 02:17:42,299 --> 02:17:48,179 hitchhiker in Riverside County he drove 3610 02:17:45,299 --> 02:17:50,518 Monique H to his apartment and they 3611 02:17:48,179 --> 02:17:53,280 engaged in Intercourse supposedly with 3612 02:17:50,519 --> 02:17:55,679 her consent in the morning they drove to 3613 02:17:53,280 --> 02:17:57,659 the mountains Alcala took nude photos of 3614 02:17:55,679 --> 02:17:59,819 her as well as several of the two of 3615 02:17:57,659 --> 02:18:03,299 them simulating sex acts 3616 02:17:59,819 --> 02:18:04,319 but he scared her she screamed and tried 3617 02:18:03,299 --> 02:18:07,739 to get away 3618 02:18:04,319 --> 02:18:09,539 he tied her up beat and ripped her in 3619 02:18:07,739 --> 02:18:11,638 his confession he would claim that it 3620 02:18:09,540 --> 02:18:14,399 hadn't been planned and that things had 3621 02:18:11,638 --> 02:18:15,478 gone wrong he'd lost control of the 3622 02:18:14,398 --> 02:18:18,299 situation 3623 02:18:15,478 --> 02:18:20,340 he drove her back to Riverside from a 3624 02:18:18,299 --> 02:18:23,398 motel she called the police to report 3625 02:18:20,340 --> 02:18:26,700 the rape and kidnapping Rodney alcala's 3626 02:18:23,398 --> 02:18:27,659 mother posted bail and he would strike 3627 02:18:26,700 --> 02:18:31,740 again 3628 02:18:27,659 --> 02:18:33,959 in June 1979 Jill parenteau a 21 year 3629 02:18:31,739 --> 02:18:36,299 old computer key punch operator left 3630 02:18:33,959 --> 02:18:38,039 work early to go to a baseball game 3631 02:18:36,299 --> 02:18:40,018 when she didn't make it to work the next 3632 02:18:38,040 --> 02:18:41,460 day police went to her Burbank apartment 3633 02:18:40,019 --> 02:18:43,679 to investigate 3634 02:18:41,459 --> 02:18:45,959 they once again found a scene of forced 3635 02:18:43,679 --> 02:18:48,420 entry and a woman dead 3636 02:18:45,959 --> 02:18:49,558 parental was dead naked on her bathroom 3637 02:18:48,420 --> 02:18:51,840 floor 3638 02:18:49,558 --> 02:18:55,739 she was posed with pillows under her 3639 02:18:51,840 --> 02:18:58,019 shoulders she'd been insulted beaten and 3640 02:18:55,739 --> 02:18:59,459 strangled her Killer cut himself 3641 02:18:58,019 --> 02:19:01,380 crawling in a window 3642 02:18:59,459 --> 02:19:03,598 blood evidence matching that of three 3643 02:19:01,379 --> 02:19:06,179 percent of the population did not rule 3644 02:19:03,599 --> 02:19:07,200 out or confirm Rodney al-kawa as the 3645 02:19:06,179 --> 02:19:09,420 perpetrator 3646 02:19:07,200 --> 02:19:11,639 parentos friend Catherine Bryant 3647 02:19:09,420 --> 02:19:14,099 testified that she and parento had met 3648 02:19:11,638 --> 02:19:16,138 Alcala at a club several times 3649 02:19:14,099 --> 02:19:18,359 the same month that Jill parenteau was 3650 02:19:16,138 --> 02:19:21,539 ripped and murdered Alcala allegedly 3651 02:19:18,359 --> 02:19:24,899 killed an underage girl on June 20th 3652 02:19:21,540 --> 02:19:27,420 1979 Robin samso a 12 year old 3653 02:19:24,898 --> 02:19:28,799 Huntington Beach girl was on her way to 3654 02:19:27,420 --> 02:19:31,019 ballet class 3655 02:19:28,799 --> 02:19:33,058 she was late so she'd borrowed her best 3656 02:19:31,019 --> 02:19:35,819 friend's yellow Schwinn bicycle 3657 02:19:33,058 --> 02:19:38,039 she and the bicycle disappeared that day 3658 02:19:35,819 --> 02:19:40,500 her decomposing body was later found in 3659 02:19:38,040 --> 02:19:43,500 the foothills of the Sierra Madres 3660 02:19:40,500 --> 02:19:45,599 earlier neighbor Jackie young had chased 3661 02:19:43,500 --> 02:19:47,700 a strange man away from Robin samso and 3662 02:19:45,599 --> 02:19:49,439 her friend Bridget wilvert when they 3663 02:19:47,700 --> 02:19:52,560 were playing along Huntington Beach's 3664 02:19:49,439 --> 02:19:54,180 low Cliffs according to Young the man 3665 02:19:52,559 --> 02:19:56,519 was trying to get little girls in 3666 02:19:54,180 --> 02:19:58,380 swimsuits to let him photograph them 3667 02:19:56,520 --> 02:20:00,120 young and wilvert would later provide 3668 02:19:58,379 --> 02:20:02,159 police with information that helped them 3669 02:20:00,120 --> 02:20:05,040 produce a sketch that a parole officer 3670 02:20:02,159 --> 02:20:09,780 would recognize as Rodney Alcala Tony 3671 02:20:05,040 --> 02:20:12,120 Esparza 15 and Joanne merchland 14 would 3672 02:20:09,780 --> 02:20:14,340 later testify that on June 19th at the 3673 02:20:12,120 --> 02:20:15,960 same Beach a man fitting alcala's 3674 02:20:14,340 --> 02:20:18,180 description had offered the marijuana 3675 02:20:15,959 --> 02:20:19,619 and begged to take their photos for a 3676 02:20:18,180 --> 02:20:21,840 bikini contest 3677 02:20:19,620 --> 02:20:24,359 several other Witnesses including 3678 02:20:21,840 --> 02:20:26,398 Lorraine Wertz and Patty Elmendorf said 3679 02:20:24,359 --> 02:20:29,280 that Alcala had accosted them on June 3680 02:20:26,398 --> 02:20:31,799 20th Esparza and merchland came forward 3681 02:20:29,280 --> 02:20:34,200 when they saw Alcala on the news 3682 02:20:31,799 --> 02:20:35,938 warts was contacted after police found a 3683 02:20:34,200 --> 02:20:39,300 photo of wurtz in alcala's Seattle 3684 02:20:35,939 --> 02:20:41,340 storage locker Dana crappa then working 3685 02:20:39,299 --> 02:20:43,978 as a ranger in the Los Angeles National 3686 02:20:41,340 --> 02:20:45,659 Forest had testified that she saw a man 3687 02:20:43,978 --> 02:20:47,579 trying to lead a girl down to a stream 3688 02:20:45,659 --> 02:20:50,159 the same day that Robin samso 3689 02:20:47,579 --> 02:20:52,799 disappeared she says he was driving a 3690 02:20:50,159 --> 02:20:56,520 Datsun F10 which was the make and model 3691 02:20:52,799 --> 02:20:59,099 that Alcala owned in 1979. 12 Days After 3692 02:20:56,520 --> 02:21:01,859 samso's disappearance William popkey 3693 02:20:59,100 --> 02:21:04,680 another U.S parks ranger found Robin 3694 02:21:01,859 --> 02:21:06,420 samso's decomposing remains 3695 02:21:04,680 --> 02:21:09,659 he initially assumed they were deer 3696 02:21:06,420 --> 02:21:11,579 bones and tossed one to krapa Robin's 3697 02:21:09,659 --> 02:21:13,739 left foot and portions of her hands were 3698 02:21:11,579 --> 02:21:16,559 missing and her skull had been separated 3699 02:21:13,739 --> 02:21:18,239 from her neck a kitchen knife and one of 3700 02:21:16,559 --> 02:21:19,859 her shoes were nearby 3701 02:21:18,239 --> 02:21:21,840 the decomposition meant that 3702 02:21:19,859 --> 02:21:25,859 investigators were unable to determine 3703 02:21:21,840 --> 02:21:28,439 whether she'd been right on July 24 1979 3704 02:21:25,859 --> 02:21:31,140 police arrested Alcala at his mother's 3705 02:21:28,439 --> 02:21:34,500 Madre Park home they soon charged him 3706 02:21:31,139 --> 02:21:37,920 with the murder of Robin samso the story 3707 02:21:34,500 --> 02:21:39,840 was far from over when investigators 3708 02:21:37,920 --> 02:21:41,760 searched Rodney alcala's mother's house 3709 02:21:39,840 --> 02:21:43,318 they found a receipt for a storage 3710 02:21:41,760 --> 02:21:45,478 locker in Seattle 3711 02:21:43,318 --> 02:21:48,539 the locker held numerous photographs of 3712 02:21:45,478 --> 02:21:50,459 young girls including one of lorry wurtz 3713 02:21:48,540 --> 02:21:53,340 they also found a pair of gold ball 3714 02:21:50,459 --> 02:21:56,279 earrings allegedly worn by Robin samso 3715 02:21:53,340 --> 02:21:59,219 and belonging to her mother Alcala still 3716 02:21:56,280 --> 02:22:01,620 claims he'd long owned those himself the 3717 02:21:59,219 --> 02:22:05,219 second pair of earrings with tiny roses 3718 02:22:01,620 --> 02:22:08,100 wood years later reveal Charlotte Lamb's 3719 02:22:05,219 --> 02:22:09,959 DNA police believe that Alcala was 3720 02:22:08,100 --> 02:22:11,960 keeping the photos and earrings as 3721 02:22:09,959 --> 02:22:14,398 trophies of his crimes 3722 02:22:11,959 --> 02:22:16,978 Alcala apparently spent just a few days 3723 02:22:14,398 --> 02:22:19,500 in Seattle that July he told his 3724 02:22:16,978 --> 02:22:21,478 girlfriend Elizabeth Keller that he'd 3725 02:22:19,500 --> 02:22:23,700 been in Dallas where he said he was 3726 02:22:21,478 --> 02:22:25,500 planning to open a photography studio 3727 02:22:23,700 --> 02:22:27,600 he told other friends and acquaintances 3728 02:22:25,500 --> 02:22:29,040 that he was moving to Chicago 3729 02:22:27,600 --> 02:22:31,340 with the evidence from the storage 3730 02:22:29,040 --> 02:22:33,780 locker and testimony from Witnesses 3731 02:22:31,340 --> 02:22:36,659 prosecutors brought Alcala to trial for 3732 02:22:33,780 --> 02:22:39,659 his crimes against Robin samso Robin 3733 02:22:36,659 --> 02:22:42,180 samso's mother Marianne Connolly brought 3734 02:22:39,659 --> 02:22:44,459 a 25-caliber pistol to the trial 3735 02:22:42,180 --> 02:22:46,500 she ultimately decided not to use it 3736 02:22:44,459 --> 02:22:48,959 believing that the legal system would 3737 02:22:46,500 --> 02:22:52,318 deal justly with her daughter's killer 3738 02:22:48,959 --> 02:22:54,239 Alcala had an alibi he claimed at the 3739 02:22:52,318 --> 02:22:56,639 time of her abduction he was at Knott's 3740 02:22:54,239 --> 02:22:59,639 Berry Farm applying for a job to become 3741 02:22:56,639 --> 02:23:02,398 a disco photographer alcala's sisters 3742 02:22:59,639 --> 02:23:05,279 Christine De La cerda and Marie troiano 3743 02:23:02,398 --> 02:23:07,079 and his mother insisted that Alcala had 3744 02:23:05,280 --> 02:23:08,819 called both sisters from his mother's 3745 02:23:07,079 --> 02:23:09,659 house around the time of Robin's 3746 02:23:08,818 --> 02:23:11,639 abduction 3747 02:23:09,659 --> 02:23:13,859 while those calls do appear on phone 3748 02:23:11,639 --> 02:23:16,318 bills there's no way of confirming 3749 02:23:13,859 --> 02:23:19,680 whether Alcala or his mother made them 3750 02:23:16,318 --> 02:23:21,659 in 1978 Rodney James Alcala was found 3751 02:23:19,680 --> 02:23:24,359 guilty of first-degree murder with a 3752 02:23:21,659 --> 02:23:26,340 deadly weapon and kidnapping the 3753 02:23:24,359 --> 02:23:28,318 kidnapping charge qualified as a special 3754 02:23:26,340 --> 02:23:31,079 circumstance that exposed him to the 3755 02:23:28,318 --> 02:23:33,600 death penalty Marianne Connolly though 3756 02:23:31,079 --> 02:23:34,739 never worked again and she developed a 3757 02:23:33,600 --> 02:23:38,399 drug problem 3758 02:23:34,739 --> 02:23:40,978 's three siblings Tara Ann Tim and 3759 02:23:38,398 --> 02:23:43,619 Robert were never the same 3760 02:23:40,978 --> 02:23:45,119 because alcala's conviction was 3761 02:23:43,620 --> 02:23:46,680 overturned 3762 02:23:45,120 --> 02:23:49,020 twice 3763 02:23:46,680 --> 02:23:51,600 Rodney Alcala was twice found guilty of 3764 02:23:49,020 --> 02:23:53,760 the kidnapping and murder of Robin samso 3765 02:23:51,600 --> 02:23:55,800 both convictions were overturned on 3766 02:23:53,760 --> 02:23:59,100 technicalities first by the California 3767 02:23:55,799 --> 02:24:02,398 Supreme Court in 1984 then by a U.S 3768 02:23:59,100 --> 02:24:04,800 Circuit Court of Appeals in 2001. in 3769 02:24:02,398 --> 02:24:06,478 1984 the California Supreme Court 3770 02:24:04,799 --> 02:24:08,159 decided that the jury shouldn't have 3771 02:24:06,478 --> 02:24:09,539 been allowed to hear about alcala's 3772 02:24:08,159 --> 02:24:11,939 other convictions 3773 02:24:09,540 --> 02:24:13,620 furthermore the judges believe the two 3774 02:24:11,939 --> 02:24:16,020 of alcala's inmates who testified 3775 02:24:13,620 --> 02:24:17,939 against him had perjured themselves 3776 02:24:16,020 --> 02:24:20,280 Robert Dove and Michael Herrera 3777 02:24:17,939 --> 02:24:22,020 testified that Alcala had told Herrera 3778 02:24:20,280 --> 02:24:24,359 that he had lured the girl into his car 3779 02:24:22,020 --> 02:24:26,100 by offering her money for photos and 3780 02:24:24,359 --> 02:24:27,000 promising to drive her to her ballet 3781 02:24:26,100 --> 02:24:29,579 class 3782 02:24:27,000 --> 02:24:31,920 Dove had overheard the conversation in 3783 02:24:29,579 --> 02:24:34,079 which Alcala allegedly had told Herrera 3784 02:24:31,920 --> 02:24:35,398 that he hadn't stabbed the girl but beat 3785 02:24:34,079 --> 02:24:37,799 her unconscious 3786 02:24:35,398 --> 02:24:39,659 Herrera also said that Alcala told him 3787 02:24:37,799 --> 02:24:42,179 that he'd left the girl's bicycle behind 3788 02:24:39,659 --> 02:24:44,398 a thrift store the owner of a thrift 3789 02:24:42,180 --> 02:24:46,439 store in El Monte testified that he had 3790 02:24:44,398 --> 02:24:49,739 indeed found a child's yellow Schwinn 3791 02:24:46,439 --> 02:24:51,479 behind a shop in 2001 the defense 3792 02:24:49,739 --> 02:24:53,340 claimed that the prosecution hadn't 3793 02:24:51,478 --> 02:24:55,920 properly handled Dana crappa's 3794 02:24:53,340 --> 02:24:57,659 statements she had claimed Amnesia and 3795 02:24:55,920 --> 02:24:59,939 didn't testify during the second trial 3796 02:24:57,659 --> 02:25:01,318 but her previous testimony was presented 3797 02:24:59,939 --> 02:25:03,960 in her absence 3798 02:25:01,318 --> 02:25:06,420 Alcala remained in prison and he's been 3799 02:25:03,959 --> 02:25:08,519 keeping himself busy he's tried to sue 3800 02:25:06,420 --> 02:25:10,978 the California state prison system over 3801 02:25:08,520 --> 02:25:13,020 fall that he took and over refusing to 3802 02:25:10,978 --> 02:25:15,059 provide him with a low-fat diet 3803 02:25:13,020 --> 02:25:16,800 he's spoken out against the new state 3804 02:25:15,059 --> 02:25:19,439 policy of routinely testing and 3805 02:25:16,799 --> 02:25:21,420 comparing DNA the practice that has tied 3806 02:25:19,439 --> 02:25:24,840 him to the rapes or murders of Jill 3807 02:25:21,420 --> 02:25:28,500 barcom Georgia wixted Charlotte lamb and 3808 02:25:24,840 --> 02:25:31,380 Jill parento and in 1994 he wrote a book 3809 02:25:28,500 --> 02:25:33,420 defending himself you the jury 3810 02:25:31,379 --> 02:25:36,659 he still denies that he killed Robin 3811 02:25:33,420 --> 02:25:39,239 samso he's flip-flopped first saying 3812 02:25:36,659 --> 02:25:42,359 that an insanity defense esculpates him 3813 02:25:39,239 --> 02:25:44,760 in the deaths of barkholm wicksted lamb 3814 02:25:42,359 --> 02:25:46,318 and parento and then insisting that he 3815 02:25:44,760 --> 02:25:48,478 didn't kill them either 3816 02:25:46,318 --> 02:25:50,760 but now he's on trial for the deaths of 3817 02:25:48,478 --> 02:25:52,978 the girl and all four women 3818 02:25:50,760 --> 02:25:55,620 Rodney James Alcala was accused of 3819 02:25:52,978 --> 02:25:58,679 killing Robin samso Jill barcombe 3820 02:25:55,620 --> 02:26:01,319 Georgia wixted Charlotte lamb and Jill 3821 02:25:58,680 --> 02:26:03,239 parento he was eligible for the death 3822 02:26:01,318 --> 02:26:05,279 penalty due to special circumstances 3823 02:26:03,239 --> 02:26:08,039 because he was accused of multiple 3824 02:26:05,280 --> 02:26:10,500 murders as well as murder during rape or 3825 02:26:08,040 --> 02:26:12,780 kidnapping he objected to trying the 3826 02:26:10,500 --> 02:26:15,959 five murders in a single case 3827 02:26:12,780 --> 02:26:18,540 Superior Court Judge Francisco P Briseno 3828 02:26:15,959 --> 02:26:21,299 presided over the case in Santa Ana 3829 02:26:18,540 --> 02:26:24,420 California Deputy district attorney Matt 3830 02:26:21,299 --> 02:26:27,358 Murphy was Prosecuting during Dating 3831 02:26:24,420 --> 02:26:29,398 Game Killer Rodney alcala's 2010 trial 3832 02:26:27,359 --> 02:26:32,818 Orange County Deputy district attorney 3833 02:26:29,398 --> 02:26:34,799 Matt Murphy called Alcala a monster and 3834 02:26:32,818 --> 02:26:36,898 said he deserved to die 3835 02:26:34,799 --> 02:26:38,699 he told the jury that Alcala was a 3836 02:26:36,898 --> 02:26:42,119 hunter who stalked and killed his prey 3837 02:26:38,700 --> 02:26:43,800 simply because he liked it Murphy 3838 02:26:42,120 --> 02:26:45,660 alleged that Alcala would strangle 3839 02:26:43,799 --> 02:26:46,679 victims with his bare hands until they 3840 02:26:45,659 --> 02:26:49,020 passed out 3841 02:26:46,680 --> 02:26:52,380 he'd strangle them again with pantyhose 3842 02:26:49,020 --> 02:26:54,720 or shoelaces once they were dead he'd 3843 02:26:52,379 --> 02:26:58,438 pose their bodies and take pictures 3844 02:26:54,719 --> 02:27:00,959 on February 25th 2010 a third jury found 3845 02:26:58,439 --> 02:27:03,359 Dating Game Killer Rodney Alcala guilty 3846 02:27:00,959 --> 02:27:06,239 of the 1979 murder and kidnapping of 3847 02:27:03,359 --> 02:27:09,479 Huntington Beach ballerina Robin samso 3848 02:27:06,239 --> 02:27:11,579 12. they also finally found him guilty 3849 02:27:09,478 --> 02:27:14,279 of first-degree murder in the deaths of 3850 02:27:11,579 --> 02:27:17,939 four adult women Jill barcom Georgia 3851 02:27:14,280 --> 02:27:21,079 wixted Charlotte lamb and Jill parento 3852 02:27:17,939 --> 02:27:23,639 on March 30th 2010 judge Francisco 3853 02:27:21,079 --> 02:27:26,520 preseno sentenced him to death for the 3854 02:27:23,639 --> 02:27:28,619 crimes it was alcala's third death 3855 02:27:26,520 --> 02:27:30,479 sentence the verdict in his other two 3856 02:27:28,620 --> 02:27:33,180 trials for samso's murder were 3857 02:27:30,478 --> 02:27:35,519 overturned if third time's the charm 3858 02:27:33,180 --> 02:27:38,340 maybe the sentence will stick this time 3859 02:27:35,520 --> 02:27:40,200 but the haunting contents of alcala's 3860 02:27:38,340 --> 02:27:42,359 Seattle storage locker have left 3861 02:27:40,200 --> 02:27:44,640 Huntington Beach Police fearing that 3862 02:27:42,359 --> 02:27:46,439 this fiend's crimes weren't limited to 3863 02:27:44,639 --> 02:27:48,599 the deadly civil assaults in Southern 3864 02:27:46,439 --> 02:27:50,898 California for which this trial is 3865 02:27:48,600 --> 02:27:54,439 hopefully finally brought Justice 3866 02:27:50,898 --> 02:27:57,779 unsurprisingly the trial was a circus 3867 02:27:54,439 --> 02:27:59,579 Alcala defended himself judge brazeno 3868 02:27:57,780 --> 02:28:01,020 had to speak privately with Alcala 3869 02:27:59,579 --> 02:28:03,659 numerous times throughout the 3870 02:28:01,020 --> 02:28:06,180 proceedings to explain basic legal terms 3871 02:28:03,659 --> 02:28:09,119 to him and to curb the 66 year olds 3872 02:28:06,180 --> 02:28:11,159 theatrics new forensic evidence butcher 3873 02:28:09,120 --> 02:28:12,720 sing the charges against Alcala for his 3874 02:28:11,159 --> 02:28:14,579 crimes against the women was 3875 02:28:12,719 --> 02:28:16,679 supplemented by testimony from two other 3876 02:28:14,579 --> 02:28:19,200 victims whom he'd long been convicted 3877 02:28:16,680 --> 02:28:21,540 and sentenced for assault he'd picked up 3878 02:28:19,200 --> 02:28:24,140 Monique H to take photographs brought 3879 02:28:21,540 --> 02:28:27,780 her to a secluded rural area then beat 3880 02:28:24,139 --> 02:28:29,519 sodomized and raped her Alcala did what 3881 02:28:27,780 --> 02:28:32,399 he could to avoid the charges in their 3882 02:28:29,520 --> 02:28:34,920 penalty early in the trial he showed a 3883 02:28:32,398 --> 02:28:37,199 clip from his winning 1978 appearance on 3884 02:28:34,920 --> 02:28:38,879 television's Dating Game claiming that 3885 02:28:37,200 --> 02:28:40,859 it showed him already wearing the 3886 02:28:38,879 --> 02:28:42,239 earrings that supposedly tied him to the 3887 02:28:40,859 --> 02:28:44,460 samso murder 3888 02:28:42,239 --> 02:28:46,799 jurors seem to have trouble making out 3889 02:28:44,459 --> 02:28:49,619 the earrings and the grainy footage they 3890 02:28:46,799 --> 02:28:52,079 weren't convinced by his defense in his 3891 02:28:49,620 --> 02:28:54,000 closing arguments Alcala told jurors 3892 02:28:52,079 --> 02:28:56,639 that if they gave him the death penalty 3893 02:28:54,000 --> 02:28:58,920 they would be Killers themselves 3894 02:28:56,639 --> 02:29:02,219 he then played them an extract from Arlo 3895 02:28:58,920 --> 02:29:05,040 Guthrie's Alice's Restaurant massacree a 3896 02:29:02,219 --> 02:29:10,219 sprawling anti-vietnam epic I want to 3897 02:29:05,040 --> 02:29:14,280 kill I mean I wanna I wanna kill 3898 02:29:10,219 --> 02:29:16,559 I wanna I wanna see I wanna see blood 3899 02:29:14,280 --> 02:29:21,739 and gore and guts and veins in my teeth 3900 02:29:16,559 --> 02:29:24,299 I mean kill kill kill kill kill kill 3901 02:29:21,739 --> 02:29:26,340 Alcala reminded the jury that he would 3902 02:29:24,299 --> 02:29:29,099 fight a death sentence and it would be 3903 02:29:26,340 --> 02:29:30,960 automatically appealed he suggested that 3904 02:29:29,100 --> 02:29:31,800 a life sentence would be easiest for 3905 02:29:30,959 --> 02:29:34,199 everyone 3906 02:29:31,799 --> 02:29:37,920 the families of the victims spoke at the 3907 02:29:34,200 --> 02:29:40,859 sentencing in 2005 Jill barcom's Brother 3908 02:29:37,920 --> 02:29:43,439 Bruce had sent Alcala a present a copy 3909 02:29:40,859 --> 02:29:46,079 of Out of the Shadows a book on sex 3910 02:29:43,439 --> 02:29:47,700 addiction with the book he had sent a 3911 02:29:46,079 --> 02:29:49,680 letter in which he begged Alcala to 3912 02:29:47,700 --> 02:29:51,840 spare the families the pain of a trial 3913 02:29:49,680 --> 02:29:55,079 and confess to any murders he'd 3914 02:29:51,840 --> 02:29:57,000 committed clearly Bruce barcom hadn't 3915 02:29:55,079 --> 02:29:57,959 persuaded this brutal killer to come 3916 02:29:57,000 --> 02:30:00,420 clean 3917 02:29:57,959 --> 02:30:02,639 after all Cal was convicted Huntington 3918 02:30:00,420 --> 02:30:04,559 Beach detectives released photos from 3919 02:30:02,639 --> 02:30:06,358 the Shoreline Washington storage locker 3920 02:30:04,559 --> 02:30:08,818 where Alcala had squirreled away 3921 02:30:06,359 --> 02:30:11,159 trophies from his attacks including 3922 02:30:08,818 --> 02:30:13,379 photos of many of his victims as well as 3923 02:30:11,159 --> 02:30:15,959 earrings that linked him to Robin samso 3924 02:30:13,379 --> 02:30:18,239 and Charlotte lamb the Suburban Seattle 3925 02:30:15,959 --> 02:30:20,339 Locker also held hundreds of photos of 3926 02:30:18,239 --> 02:30:22,978 women and children both boys and girls 3927 02:30:20,340 --> 02:30:23,939 often at the beach or Park sometimes 3928 02:30:22,978 --> 02:30:26,159 nude 3929 02:30:23,939 --> 02:30:28,739 some of these photos had addresses 3930 02:30:26,159 --> 02:30:30,420 scrawled on the back police have tracked 3931 02:30:28,739 --> 02:30:32,340 down those families and were able to 3932 02:30:30,420 --> 02:30:34,859 confirm that their loved ones were still 3933 02:30:32,340 --> 02:30:36,359 alive authorities continue to hope 3934 02:30:34,859 --> 02:30:38,579 people who recognize the other 3935 02:30:36,359 --> 02:30:41,579 photographs will come forward 3936 02:30:38,579 --> 02:30:43,379 Seattle Police requested DNA samples so 3937 02:30:41,579 --> 02:30:45,000 they can determine whether Alcala was 3938 02:30:43,379 --> 02:30:47,478 behind the deaths of two teenagers 3939 02:30:45,000 --> 02:30:50,939 killed in Seattle in the 1970s 3940 02:30:47,478 --> 02:30:53,039 Antoinette Whittaker 13 was found dead 3941 02:30:50,939 --> 02:30:57,659 in a vacant lot in Northeast Seattle's 3942 02:30:53,040 --> 02:31:00,060 Lake City in July 1977. Joyce gaunt 17 3943 02:30:57,659 --> 02:31:03,719 was found dead in South Seattle's 3944 02:31:00,059 --> 02:31:05,939 seaward Park in February 1978. Whitaker 3945 02:31:03,719 --> 02:31:08,639 had not been assaulted but the 3946 02:31:05,939 --> 02:31:10,739 developmentally disabled gaunt had been 3947 02:31:08,639 --> 02:31:13,079 detectives have requested a DNA 3948 02:31:10,739 --> 02:31:15,359 comparison to see whether alcawa is a 3949 02:31:13,079 --> 02:31:17,760 match the King County Sheriff's Office 3950 02:31:15,359 --> 02:31:19,500 was also looking into whether Alcala may 3951 02:31:17,760 --> 02:31:21,478 have been responsible for deaths in the 3952 02:31:19,500 --> 02:31:23,459 surrounding area including that of 3953 02:31:21,478 --> 02:31:25,679 cherry Greenman who disappeared from 3954 02:31:23,459 --> 02:31:29,459 Waterville Washington at the age of 19 3955 02:31:25,680 --> 02:31:31,439 in 1976. just as the Los Angeles Police 3956 02:31:29,459 --> 02:31:33,478 Department originally attributed Jill 3957 02:31:31,439 --> 02:31:36,000 barcom's death to the Hillside Strangler 3958 02:31:33,478 --> 02:31:37,739 authorities at one time had looked for a 3959 02:31:36,000 --> 02:31:40,500 link between Greenman and the Green 3960 02:31:37,739 --> 02:31:42,420 River Killer New Hampshire investigators 3961 02:31:40,500 --> 02:31:44,280 are looking into whether Alcala may have 3962 02:31:42,420 --> 02:31:46,739 been responsible for any crimes when he 3963 02:31:44,280 --> 02:31:49,880 worked as John Berger as a camp 3964 02:31:46,739 --> 02:31:53,100 counselor in the area between 1969 and 3965 02:31:49,879 --> 02:31:54,719 1971. Rodney Alcala also remains a 3966 02:31:53,100 --> 02:31:57,659 person of interest in the deaths of 3967 02:31:54,719 --> 02:32:00,539 aerys Ellen hover and TWA stewardess 3968 02:31:57,659 --> 02:32:02,159 Cornelia Michael Crilley in New York in 3969 02:32:00,540 --> 02:32:04,920 the 1970s 3970 02:32:02,159 --> 02:32:06,840 in March 2010 the Huntington Beach 3971 02:32:04,920 --> 02:32:09,659 California and New York City police 3972 02:32:06,840 --> 02:32:11,700 departments released 120 of alcala's 3973 02:32:09,659 --> 02:32:13,500 photographs and sought The public's help 3974 02:32:11,700 --> 02:32:15,060 in identifying them in the hopes of 3975 02:32:13,500 --> 02:32:16,978 determining if any of the women and 3976 02:32:15,059 --> 02:32:18,059 children he photographed were additional 3977 02:32:16,978 --> 02:32:20,459 victims 3978 02:32:18,059 --> 02:32:22,920 approximately 900 additional photos 3979 02:32:20,459 --> 02:32:25,199 could not be made public police said 3980 02:32:22,920 --> 02:32:28,139 because they were too sexually explicit 3981 02:32:25,200 --> 02:32:30,300 in the first few weeks police reported 3982 02:32:28,139 --> 02:32:32,219 that approximately 21 women had come 3983 02:32:30,299 --> 02:32:34,559 forward to identify themselves 3984 02:32:32,219 --> 02:32:36,659 and at least six families said they 3985 02:32:34,559 --> 02:32:38,699 believed they recognized loved ones who 3986 02:32:36,659 --> 02:32:41,280 disappeared years ago and were never 3987 02:32:38,700 --> 02:32:43,079 found none of the photos was 3988 02:32:41,280 --> 02:32:45,180 unequivocally connected to a missing 3989 02:32:43,079 --> 02:32:48,420 person case or unsolved murder until 3990 02:32:45,180 --> 02:32:51,420 2013 when a family member recognized the 3991 02:32:48,420 --> 02:32:55,020 photo of Christine Thornton 28 whose 3992 02:32:51,420 --> 02:32:58,439 body was found in Wyoming in 1982 as of 3993 02:32:55,020 --> 02:33:01,020 July 2021 110 of the original photos 3994 02:32:58,439 --> 02:33:02,880 remained posted online and police 3995 02:33:01,020 --> 02:33:04,920 continued to solicit The public's help 3996 02:33:02,879 --> 02:33:08,398 with further identifications 3997 02:33:04,920 --> 02:33:10,500 in September 2016 Alcala was charged 3998 02:33:08,398 --> 02:33:13,619 with a murder of 28 year old Christine 3999 02:33:10,500 --> 02:33:17,398 Ruth Thornton who disappeared in 1977. 4000 02:33:13,620 --> 02:33:19,740 in 2013 a relative recognized her as the 4001 02:33:17,398 --> 02:33:23,159 subject of one of alcala's photos made 4002 02:33:19,739 --> 02:33:25,318 public by Huntington Beach PD and NYPD 4003 02:33:23,159 --> 02:33:28,739 her body was found in Sweetwater County 4004 02:33:25,318 --> 02:33:31,680 Wyoming in 1982 but was not identified 4005 02:33:28,739 --> 02:33:33,659 until 2015 when DNA supplied by 4006 02:33:31,680 --> 02:33:36,600 Thornton's relatives matched tissue 4007 02:33:33,659 --> 02:33:39,119 samples from her remains Alcala admitted 4008 02:33:36,600 --> 02:33:41,280 taking the photo but not to killing the 4009 02:33:39,120 --> 02:33:42,720 woman who was approximately six months 4010 02:33:41,280 --> 02:33:45,000 pregnant at the time of her death 4011 02:33:42,719 --> 02:33:47,459 Thornton is the first alleged murder 4012 02:33:45,000 --> 02:33:49,260 victim linked to the Alcala photos made 4013 02:33:47,459 --> 02:33:51,959 public in 2010 4014 02:33:49,260 --> 02:33:53,639 the 73 year old Alcala was reportedly 4015 02:33:51,959 --> 02:33:55,919 too ill to make the journey from 4016 02:33:53,639 --> 02:33:58,619 California to Wyoming to stand trial on 4017 02:33:55,920 --> 02:34:01,260 the new charges Alcala died of 4018 02:33:58,620 --> 02:34:06,180 unspecified natural causes in Corker in 4019 02:34:01,260 --> 02:34:09,180 California on July 24 2021 at the age of 4020 02:34:06,180 --> 02:34:09,180 77. 4021 02:34:09,898 --> 02:34:14,099 during the 1960s when there is no 4022 02:34:12,540 --> 02:34:16,800 shortage of drama in the nation's 4023 02:34:14,100 --> 02:34:20,040 courtrooms one murder case stood alone 4024 02:34:16,799 --> 02:34:22,139 in its ability to shock the country the 4025 02:34:20,040 --> 02:34:25,260 crime was not as gruesome as some others 4026 02:34:22,139 --> 02:34:28,079 since many more were just as violent and 4027 02:34:25,260 --> 02:34:30,719 still more that easily surpassed it the 4028 02:34:28,079 --> 02:34:32,760 victim was an ordinary working girl not 4029 02:34:30,719 --> 02:34:34,260 at all wealthy and not a member of any 4030 02:34:32,760 --> 02:34:37,318 Elite Class 4031 02:34:34,260 --> 02:34:39,059 her name was Catherine Genovese the 28 4032 02:34:37,318 --> 02:34:42,119 year old daughter of Italian-American 4033 02:34:39,059 --> 02:34:43,920 parents but to millions of people who 4034 02:34:42,120 --> 02:34:45,960 read her story when it first appeared in 4035 02:34:43,920 --> 02:34:49,020 New York City's press she would forever 4036 02:34:45,959 --> 02:34:51,119 be remembered as Kitty Genovese what 4037 02:34:49,020 --> 02:34:52,979 happened to her what happened to all of 4038 02:34:51,120 --> 02:34:56,220 society on that Dreadful night in the 4039 02:34:52,978 --> 02:34:58,199 spring of 1964 would reverberate across 4040 02:34:56,219 --> 02:35:00,659 the country and generate a national 4041 02:34:58,200 --> 02:35:03,899 soul-searching that's reserved for only 4042 02:35:00,659 --> 02:35:06,239 the most catastrophic of events her name 4043 02:35:03,898 --> 02:35:08,459 has become synonymous with a dark side 4044 02:35:06,239 --> 02:35:10,859 of an urban character that for many 4045 02:35:08,459 --> 02:35:13,739 people represents a harsh and disturbing 4046 02:35:10,859 --> 02:35:16,859 reality of big city life during the 4047 02:35:13,739 --> 02:35:18,959 1940s and into the 1950s the Genovese 4048 02:35:16,859 --> 02:35:22,040 family lived and worked in Brooklyn New 4049 02:35:18,959 --> 02:35:25,079 York in the 1940s Catherine's father 4050 02:35:22,040 --> 02:35:26,939 Vincent a Genovese started his own 4051 02:35:25,079 --> 02:35:29,159 business of supplying coats and aprons 4052 02:35:26,939 --> 02:35:31,620 to local businesses it was called The 4053 02:35:29,159 --> 02:35:34,260 Bay Ridge Cogen apron Supply Company 4054 02:35:31,620 --> 02:35:37,140 he became moderately successful and in 4055 02:35:34,260 --> 02:35:39,780 1954 Gina's wife Rachel decided to move 4056 02:35:37,139 --> 02:35:41,760 to New Canaan Connecticut the decision 4057 02:35:39,780 --> 02:35:43,500 came shortly after Rachel had witnessed 4058 02:35:41,760 --> 02:35:46,380 a shooting near their home 4059 02:35:43,500 --> 02:35:49,620 by that time they had five children the 4060 02:35:46,379 --> 02:35:51,539 oldest being Catherine who was 19. but 4061 02:35:49,620 --> 02:35:53,340 she chose to remain behind in New York 4062 02:35:51,540 --> 02:35:55,080 and stick it out while the rest of the 4063 02:35:53,340 --> 02:35:57,059 family moved to the suburbs 4064 02:35:55,079 --> 02:35:59,459 Catherine was an attractive outgoing 4065 02:35:57,059 --> 02:36:00,779 woman who liked Latin American music and 4066 02:35:59,459 --> 02:36:02,519 loved to dance 4067 02:36:00,780 --> 02:36:05,579 a graduate of Brooklyn's Prospect 4068 02:36:02,520 --> 02:36:07,680 Heights High School in 1954 she was also 4069 02:36:05,579 --> 02:36:10,200 interested in history and politics and 4070 02:36:07,680 --> 02:36:12,540 could debate on many issues I remember 4071 02:36:10,200 --> 02:36:13,979 that she loved to talk politics and knew 4072 02:36:12,540 --> 02:36:16,920 a great deal about what was going on 4073 02:36:13,978 --> 02:36:19,318 said her younger brother Bill Genovese 4074 02:36:16,920 --> 02:36:21,540 she was a Renaissance woman interested 4075 02:36:19,318 --> 02:36:25,260 in a lot of different subjects he said 4076 02:36:21,540 --> 02:36:27,479 by 1963 she had moved to Queens 4077 02:36:25,260 --> 02:36:29,280 she rented an apartment located on the 4078 02:36:27,478 --> 02:36:31,500 second floor of a commercial building on 4079 02:36:29,280 --> 02:36:34,079 Austin Street in the Kew Gardens section 4080 02:36:31,500 --> 02:36:35,040 of Queens a quiet mostly residential 4081 02:36:34,079 --> 02:36:36,799 area 4082 02:36:35,040 --> 02:36:40,140 she shared her space with a girlfriend 4083 02:36:36,799 --> 02:36:42,659 Marianne zielonko Catherine later got a 4084 02:36:40,139 --> 02:36:45,059 job as a bar manager in Eves 11th Hour 4085 02:36:42,659 --> 02:36:47,459 Club a small neighborhood Tavern on 4086 02:36:45,059 --> 02:36:49,920 Jamaica Avenue and 193rd Street in the 4087 02:36:47,459 --> 02:36:51,478 Hollis section of the borough the bar 4088 02:36:49,920 --> 02:36:53,818 was about five miles from her apartment 4089 02:36:51,478 --> 02:36:56,398 and she drove her red Fiat to the 4090 02:36:53,818 --> 02:36:58,379 restaurant nearly every night she worked 4091 02:36:56,398 --> 02:36:59,398 late sometimes into the early morning 4092 02:36:58,379 --> 02:37:01,318 hours 4093 02:36:59,398 --> 02:37:02,939 it made her nervous to return to her 4094 02:37:01,318 --> 02:37:05,279 apartment in the dark but it was 4095 02:37:02,939 --> 02:37:06,780 something that could not be avoided and 4096 02:37:05,280 --> 02:37:08,939 being a city girl her whole life 4097 02:37:06,780 --> 02:37:11,880 Catherine had the typical resiliency and 4098 02:37:08,939 --> 02:37:13,620 determination of a native New Yorker on 4099 02:37:11,879 --> 02:37:15,779 weekends she would come to visit the 4100 02:37:13,620 --> 02:37:16,740 family in New Canaan but it was never 4101 02:37:15,780 --> 02:37:18,420 enough 4102 02:37:16,739 --> 02:37:20,100 Catherine was always busy with her 4103 02:37:18,420 --> 02:37:22,620 career and running back and forth to 4104 02:37:20,100 --> 02:37:24,720 Connecticut and New York City she wanted 4105 02:37:22,620 --> 02:37:26,460 to visit Italy and dreamed of one day 4106 02:37:24,719 --> 02:37:29,159 opening an Italian restaurant with her 4107 02:37:26,459 --> 02:37:31,500 father in New Canaan her parents worried 4108 02:37:29,159 --> 02:37:33,539 about her living in Queens but accepted 4109 02:37:31,500 --> 02:37:36,180 it as a part of City Life and is what 4110 02:37:33,540 --> 02:37:37,380 she wanted but her heart was never far 4111 02:37:36,180 --> 02:37:39,479 from her family 4112 02:37:37,379 --> 02:37:40,799 I believe she found an inner peace when 4113 02:37:39,478 --> 02:37:42,779 she spent weekends with us in 4114 02:37:40,799 --> 02:37:45,299 Connecticut said Vince 4115 02:37:42,780 --> 02:37:47,939 she was full of life the city was one 4116 02:37:45,299 --> 02:37:50,519 part of her new Canan was another 4117 02:37:47,939 --> 02:37:52,260 along a Serene tree-lined Street in the 4118 02:37:50,520 --> 02:37:54,899 Kew Gardens section of Queens New York 4119 02:37:52,260 --> 02:37:56,520 City Catherine Genovese began the last 4120 02:37:54,898 --> 02:37:59,939 walk of her life in the early morning 4121 02:37:56,520 --> 02:38:02,520 hours of March 13 1964. 4122 02:37:59,939 --> 02:38:04,859 she had just left work and it was 3 15 4123 02:38:02,520 --> 02:38:07,079 am when she parked her red Fiat in the 4124 02:38:04,859 --> 02:38:09,840 Long Island Railroad parking lot 20 feet 4125 02:38:07,079 --> 02:38:12,840 from her apartment door at 8270 Austin 4126 02:38:09,840 --> 02:38:14,520 Street as she locked her car door she 4127 02:38:12,840 --> 02:38:16,739 took notice of a figure in the darkness 4128 02:38:14,520 --> 02:38:19,020 walking quickly toward her 4129 02:38:16,739 --> 02:38:21,600 she became immediately concerned as soon 4130 02:38:19,020 --> 02:38:24,000 as the stranger began to follow her as 4131 02:38:21,600 --> 02:38:26,579 she got out of the car she saw me and 4132 02:38:24,000 --> 02:38:29,100 ran the man told the court later 4133 02:38:26,579 --> 02:38:31,318 I ran after her and I had a knife in my 4134 02:38:29,100 --> 02:38:32,939 hand she must have thought that since 4135 02:38:31,318 --> 02:38:35,279 the entrance to her building was so 4136 02:38:32,939 --> 02:38:38,579 close she had reached safety within 4137 02:38:35,280 --> 02:38:40,739 seconds but the man was faster than she 4138 02:38:38,579 --> 02:38:42,840 thought at the corner of Austin Street 4139 02:38:40,739 --> 02:38:45,180 and Lefferts Boulevard there's a police 4140 02:38:42,840 --> 02:38:46,859 call box which linked directly to the 4141 02:38:45,180 --> 02:38:48,659 112th Precinct 4142 02:38:46,859 --> 02:38:51,720 she may have changed direction to call 4143 02:38:48,659 --> 02:38:53,639 for assistance but it was too late the 4144 02:38:51,719 --> 02:38:55,858 man caught up with Catherine who was all 4145 02:38:53,639 --> 02:38:58,619 of five foot one inches and weighed just 4146 02:38:55,859 --> 02:39:01,079 105 pounds near a street light at the 4147 02:38:58,620 --> 02:39:03,000 end of the parking lot I could run much 4148 02:39:01,079 --> 02:39:04,859 faster than she could and I jumped on 4149 02:39:03,000 --> 02:39:08,760 her back and stabbed her several times 4150 02:39:04,859 --> 02:39:11,818 the man later told cops oh my God he 4151 02:39:08,760 --> 02:39:13,500 stabbed me she screamed please help me 4152 02:39:11,818 --> 02:39:15,719 please help me 4153 02:39:13,500 --> 02:39:16,680 some apartment lights went on in nearby 4154 02:39:15,719 --> 02:39:20,039 buildings 4155 02:39:16,680 --> 02:39:22,559 Irene Frost at 8268 Austin Street heard 4156 02:39:20,040 --> 02:39:24,720 Catherine screams plainly there was 4157 02:39:22,559 --> 02:39:27,239 another shriek she later testified in 4158 02:39:24,719 --> 02:39:29,398 court and she was lying down crying out 4159 02:39:27,239 --> 02:39:31,559 up on the seventh floor of the same 4160 02:39:29,398 --> 02:39:34,199 building Robert Moser slid open his 4161 02:39:31,559 --> 02:39:37,019 window and observed the struggle below 4162 02:39:34,200 --> 02:39:39,600 hey let that girl alone he yelled down 4163 02:39:37,020 --> 02:39:41,640 into the street the attacker heard Moser 4164 02:39:39,600 --> 02:39:44,460 and immediately walked away 4165 02:39:41,639 --> 02:39:46,559 there was quiet once again in the dark 4166 02:39:44,459 --> 02:39:49,318 the only sound was the sobbing of the 4167 02:39:46,559 --> 02:39:51,539 victim struggling to her feet the lights 4168 02:39:49,318 --> 02:39:54,119 in the apartment went out again 4169 02:39:51,540 --> 02:39:56,340 Catherine bleeding badly from several 4170 02:39:54,120 --> 02:39:58,500 stab wounds managed to reach the side of 4171 02:39:56,340 --> 02:39:59,280 her building and held onto the concrete 4172 02:39:58,500 --> 02:40:01,680 wall 4173 02:39:59,280 --> 02:40:04,020 she staggered over to a locked door and 4174 02:40:01,680 --> 02:40:06,659 tried to stay conscious within five 4175 02:40:04,020 --> 02:40:08,460 minutes the assailant returned 4176 02:40:06,659 --> 02:40:12,059 he stabbed her again 4177 02:40:08,459 --> 02:40:14,579 I'm dying I'm dying she cried to no one 4178 02:40:12,059 --> 02:40:17,159 but several people in her building heard 4179 02:40:14,579 --> 02:40:20,280 her screams lights went on once again 4180 02:40:17,159 --> 02:40:21,959 and some windows opened tenants tried to 4181 02:40:20,280 --> 02:40:23,220 see what was happening from the safety 4182 02:40:21,959 --> 02:40:25,438 of their Apartments 4183 02:40:23,219 --> 02:40:27,299 the attacker then ran to a white Chevy 4184 02:40:25,439 --> 02:40:30,420 Corsair at the edge of the railroad 4185 02:40:27,299 --> 02:40:32,959 parking lot and seemed to drive away on 4186 02:40:30,420 --> 02:40:35,639 the sixth floor of 8240 Austin Street 4187 02:40:32,959 --> 02:40:37,199 marchering Samuel koschkin witnessed the 4188 02:40:35,639 --> 02:40:39,539 attack from their window 4189 02:40:37,200 --> 02:40:42,540 I saw a man hurry to a car under my 4190 02:40:39,540 --> 02:40:44,399 window he later said he left and came 4191 02:40:42,540 --> 02:40:45,720 back five minutes later and was looking 4192 02:40:44,398 --> 02:40:48,539 around the area 4193 02:40:45,719 --> 02:40:50,818 Mr koshkin wanted to call the police but 4194 02:40:48,540 --> 02:40:53,100 Mrs koshkin thought otherwise 4195 02:40:50,818 --> 02:40:55,439 I didn't let him she later told the 4196 02:40:53,100 --> 02:40:56,818 Press I told him there must have been 30 4197 02:40:55,439 --> 02:40:59,398 calls already 4198 02:40:56,818 --> 02:41:01,379 Miss Andre Peak a French girl who lived 4199 02:40:59,398 --> 02:41:02,519 on the second floor heard the commotion 4200 02:41:01,379 --> 02:41:04,679 from her window 4201 02:41:02,520 --> 02:41:07,800 I heard a scream for help three times 4202 02:41:04,680 --> 02:41:09,540 she later told the court I saw a girl 4203 02:41:07,799 --> 02:41:12,599 lying down on the pavement with a man 4204 02:41:09,540 --> 02:41:16,020 bending down over her beating her at 4205 02:41:12,600 --> 02:41:18,000 about 3 25 am Catherine bleeding badly 4206 02:41:16,020 --> 02:41:19,859 stumbled to the rear of her apartment 4207 02:41:18,000 --> 02:41:21,180 building and attempted to enter through 4208 02:41:19,859 --> 02:41:24,420 a back entrance 4209 02:41:21,180 --> 02:41:26,220 the door was locked she slid along the 4210 02:41:24,420 --> 02:41:28,739 wall until she reached a hallway leading 4211 02:41:26,219 --> 02:41:30,959 to the second floor of 8262 Austin 4212 02:41:28,739 --> 02:41:31,859 Street but she fell to the vestibule 4213 02:41:30,959 --> 02:41:34,438 floor 4214 02:41:31,859 --> 02:41:35,640 in the meantime the man had returned 4215 02:41:34,439 --> 02:41:37,680 again 4216 02:41:35,639 --> 02:41:39,898 I came back because I knew I'd not 4217 02:41:37,680 --> 02:41:41,100 finished what I set out to do he told 4218 02:41:39,898 --> 02:41:43,318 cops later 4219 02:41:41,100 --> 02:41:45,120 he walked along the row of doors and 4220 02:41:43,318 --> 02:41:46,799 calmly searched for the woman 4221 02:41:45,120 --> 02:41:48,960 he checked the first door and didn't 4222 02:41:46,799 --> 02:41:50,639 find her he followed the trail of blood 4223 02:41:48,959 --> 02:41:52,739 to the doorway where Catherine lay 4224 02:41:50,639 --> 02:41:55,260 bleeding on the tiled floor 4225 02:41:52,739 --> 02:41:57,840 and there while the defenseless victim 4226 02:41:55,260 --> 02:42:00,239 lay semi-conscious incoherent from Pain 4227 02:41:57,840 --> 02:42:02,818 and loss of blood he cut off her bra and 4228 02:42:00,239 --> 02:42:06,180 underwear and assaulted her he then took 4229 02:42:02,818 --> 02:42:08,039 49 in cash from her wallet why would I 4230 02:42:06,180 --> 02:42:10,800 throw the money away he asked the court 4231 02:42:08,040 --> 02:42:13,380 in his trial as Catherine moaned At His 4232 02:42:10,799 --> 02:42:15,299 Feet probably unable to comprehend what 4233 02:42:13,379 --> 02:42:18,299 had happened to her the man viciously 4234 02:42:15,299 --> 02:42:20,398 stabbed her again and killed her the man 4235 02:42:18,299 --> 02:42:22,739 who had selected his victim purely at 4236 02:42:20,398 --> 02:42:25,559 random ran to his car still parked where 4237 02:42:22,739 --> 02:42:27,299 he left it the entire event had lasted 4238 02:42:25,559 --> 02:42:29,760 32 minutes 4239 02:42:27,299 --> 02:42:32,219 he said later that murder was an idea 4240 02:42:29,760 --> 02:42:34,200 that came into my mind just as an idea 4241 02:42:32,219 --> 02:42:36,898 might come into your mind but I couldn't 4242 02:42:34,200 --> 02:42:39,060 put mine aside he jumped into his white 4243 02:42:36,898 --> 02:42:42,180 sedan and fled the scene 4244 02:42:39,059 --> 02:42:44,219 a few blocks away he came to a red light 4245 02:42:42,180 --> 02:42:46,260 he glanced over at the car idling next 4246 02:42:44,219 --> 02:42:47,760 to him and saw that a man was asleep 4247 02:42:46,260 --> 02:42:49,559 behind the wheel 4248 02:42:47,760 --> 02:42:51,359 the killer got out of his car and 4249 02:42:49,559 --> 02:42:53,699 awakened the sleeping driver 4250 02:42:51,359 --> 02:42:56,818 he told the man he should go home 4251 02:42:53,700 --> 02:42:59,579 then the killer full of himself 49 4252 02:42:56,818 --> 02:43:02,159 richer and not at all ashamed of what he 4253 02:42:59,579 --> 02:43:05,219 had done got back into his own car and 4254 02:43:02,159 --> 02:43:06,840 drove off into the night Catherine was 4255 02:43:05,219 --> 02:43:10,318 his third murder 4256 02:43:06,840 --> 02:43:11,639 at about 3 50 am a neighbor Carl Ross 4257 02:43:10,318 --> 02:43:13,199 who lived on the second floor of 4258 02:43:11,639 --> 02:43:15,358 Catherine's building on Austin Street 4259 02:43:13,200 --> 02:43:17,700 finally called the police 4260 02:43:15,359 --> 02:43:19,739 but before he did he called a friend in 4261 02:43:17,700 --> 02:43:22,079 nearby Nassau County and asked his 4262 02:43:19,739 --> 02:43:24,299 opinion about what he should do after 4263 02:43:22,079 --> 02:43:26,398 the police were notified a squad car 4264 02:43:24,299 --> 02:43:28,438 arrived within three minutes and quickly 4265 02:43:26,398 --> 02:43:31,439 found Catherine's body in the hallway on 4266 02:43:28,439 --> 02:43:32,760 the first floor she had been stabbed 17 4267 02:43:31,439 --> 02:43:34,920 times 4268 02:43:32,760 --> 02:43:37,020 her torn and cut clothes were scattered 4269 02:43:34,920 --> 02:43:38,280 about her and her open Wallet lay on the 4270 02:43:37,020 --> 02:43:40,380 floor next to her 4271 02:43:38,280 --> 02:43:43,079 driver's license identified her as 4272 02:43:40,379 --> 02:43:45,839 Catherine Genovese detectives from the 4273 02:43:43,079 --> 02:43:48,420 112th responded and began an exhaustive 4274 02:43:45,840 --> 02:43:50,880 investigation it was a frigid winter 4275 02:43:48,420 --> 02:43:54,420 morning and a Brisk unrelenting wind 4276 02:43:50,879 --> 02:43:56,039 made it seem even colder a canvas of the 4277 02:43:54,420 --> 02:43:58,079 neighborhood turned up several witnesses 4278 02:43:56,040 --> 02:43:58,859 including the one who had notified the 4279 02:43:58,079 --> 02:44:00,898 police 4280 02:43:58,859 --> 02:44:03,180 when cops finished pulling the immediate 4281 02:44:00,898 --> 02:44:05,459 neighborhood they discovered at least 38 4282 02:44:03,180 --> 02:44:08,220 people had heard or observed some part 4283 02:44:05,459 --> 02:44:10,079 of the Fatal assault on Kitty Genovese 4284 02:44:08,219 --> 02:44:12,059 Kew Gardens is a residential area 4285 02:44:10,079 --> 02:44:14,159 located at the center of the borough of 4286 02:44:12,059 --> 02:44:15,840 Queens one of the most populated 4287 02:44:14,159 --> 02:44:17,879 communities in America 4288 02:44:15,840 --> 02:44:20,040 if queens were a city it would be 4289 02:44:17,879 --> 02:44:22,259 America's fifth largest 4290 02:44:20,040 --> 02:44:24,660 the area of Kew Gardens is generally 4291 02:44:22,260 --> 02:44:26,700 middle class where houses in 1964 4292 02:44:24,659 --> 02:44:27,840 typically sold for thirty to fifty 4293 02:44:26,700 --> 02:44:29,819 thousand dollars 4294 02:44:27,840 --> 02:44:32,000 it resembled a small village in the 4295 02:44:29,818 --> 02:44:35,279 suburbs rather than a city neighborhood 4296 02:44:32,000 --> 02:44:37,260 mostly white working class and typically 4297 02:44:35,280 --> 02:44:39,239 one of the hundreds of small communities 4298 02:44:37,260 --> 02:44:41,700 that made up Metropolitan New York City 4299 02:44:39,239 --> 02:44:44,459 Austin Street is the focal point of the 4300 02:44:41,700 --> 02:44:47,579 neighborhood on this neat picturesque 4301 02:44:44,459 --> 02:44:49,559 Avenue their shops a small Park and a 4302 02:44:47,579 --> 02:44:51,180 busy train station where commuters catch 4303 02:44:49,559 --> 02:44:54,539 the Long Island Railroad to Grand 4304 02:44:51,180 --> 02:44:55,979 Central 15 minutes away not the kind of 4305 02:44:54,540 --> 02:44:57,600 place where one would think a person 4306 02:44:55,978 --> 02:45:00,299 could be murdered without anyone 4307 02:44:57,600 --> 02:45:02,700 offering even a smidgen of assistance 4308 02:45:00,299 --> 02:45:05,938 we thought it was a lover's quarrel said 4309 02:45:02,700 --> 02:45:07,200 one tenant frankly we were afraid said 4310 02:45:05,939 --> 02:45:09,239 another Witness 4311 02:45:07,200 --> 02:45:11,640 one woman who didn't want her name used 4312 02:45:09,239 --> 02:45:12,659 said I didn't want my husband to get 4313 02:45:11,639 --> 02:45:14,760 involved 4314 02:45:12,659 --> 02:45:15,840 others had different explanations for 4315 02:45:14,760 --> 02:45:17,639 their conduct 4316 02:45:15,840 --> 02:45:19,260 we went to the window to see what was 4317 02:45:17,639 --> 02:45:21,019 happening but the light from our bedroom 4318 02:45:19,260 --> 02:45:23,639 made it difficult to see the street 4319 02:45:21,020 --> 02:45:26,159 there were lots of excuses 4320 02:45:23,639 --> 02:45:29,459 maybe the most apathetic was the one who 4321 02:45:26,159 --> 02:45:30,959 told reporters I was tired but the mere 4322 02:45:29,459 --> 02:45:33,119 fact remained that dozens of people 4323 02:45:30,959 --> 02:45:34,739 stood by and watched a human being being 4324 02:45:33,120 --> 02:45:37,740 brutally assaulted for an extended 4325 02:45:34,739 --> 02:45:39,600 period of time and did nothing 4326 02:45:37,739 --> 02:45:41,760 if we had been called when he was first 4327 02:45:39,600 --> 02:45:43,920 attacked the woman might not be dead now 4328 02:45:41,760 --> 02:45:45,239 an assistant Chief Inspector told the 4329 02:45:43,920 --> 02:45:47,460 Press at the time 4330 02:45:45,239 --> 02:45:50,280 New York City Deputy Police Commissioner 4331 02:45:47,459 --> 02:45:52,139 Walter arms said this tendency to shy 4332 02:45:50,280 --> 02:45:55,560 away from reporting crimes is a common 4333 02:45:52,139 --> 02:45:58,199 one that was a revelation to the public 4334 02:45:55,559 --> 02:45:59,879 some detectives were stunned others 4335 02:45:58,200 --> 02:46:02,640 simply saw the unwillingness to get 4336 02:45:59,879 --> 02:46:05,699 involved as representative of the times 4337 02:46:02,639 --> 02:46:08,519 apathy especially in urban settings was 4338 02:46:05,700 --> 02:46:10,920 everywhere not only in Kew Gardens 4339 02:46:08,520 --> 02:46:14,340 in her own defense one neighbor said she 4340 02:46:10,920 --> 02:46:17,280 was too afraid to call I tried I really 4341 02:46:14,340 --> 02:46:18,960 tried she said but I was gasping for air 4342 02:46:17,280 --> 02:46:19,859 and was unable to talk into the 4343 02:46:18,959 --> 02:46:22,259 telephone 4344 02:46:19,859 --> 02:46:25,079 as killings go the murder of Catherine 4345 02:46:22,260 --> 02:46:27,000 Genovese was not a spectacular one nor 4346 02:46:25,079 --> 02:46:29,520 did it generate much publicity when it 4347 02:46:27,000 --> 02:46:31,739 happened the original NYPD complaint 4348 02:46:29,520 --> 02:46:34,920 report reduced the episode to just five 4349 02:46:31,739 --> 02:46:36,600 type written lines Carl Ross heard calls 4350 02:46:34,920 --> 02:46:38,879 of help at his residence 4351 02:46:36,600 --> 02:46:41,220 he saw a woman later identified as Kitty 4352 02:46:38,879 --> 02:46:43,679 Genovese lying face down in the ground 4353 02:46:41,219 --> 02:46:45,179 floor hallway she was taken to Queen's 4354 02:46:43,680 --> 02:46:47,159 general hospital with multiple stab 4355 02:46:45,180 --> 02:46:49,859 wounds and pronounced Dead on Arrival 4356 02:46:47,159 --> 02:46:51,659 then taken to the morgue there were 4357 02:46:49,859 --> 02:46:55,800 hundreds of killings in New York City in 4358 02:46:51,659 --> 02:46:58,619 1964 and 9 360 murders in America that 4359 02:46:55,799 --> 02:46:59,938 year a random killing in the street was 4360 02:46:58,620 --> 02:47:02,100 not big news 4361 02:46:59,939 --> 02:47:04,739 the New York Times delegated a few short 4362 02:47:02,100 --> 02:47:06,780 paragraphs to the incident on page 12. 4363 02:47:04,739 --> 02:47:09,239 for two weeks it laid dormant and 4364 02:47:06,780 --> 02:47:11,760 gathered virtually no public attention 4365 02:47:09,239 --> 02:47:14,579 it wasn't until March 27th when the 4366 02:47:11,760 --> 02:47:17,040 times published its famous 37 who saw 4367 02:47:14,579 --> 02:47:19,799 murder didn't call article by Martin 4368 02:47:17,040 --> 02:47:20,939 gansberg that the killing became big 4369 02:47:19,799 --> 02:47:23,159 news 4370 02:47:20,939 --> 02:47:25,680 the New York City media picked up on the 4371 02:47:23,159 --> 02:47:28,260 wider themes of the event camera Crews 4372 02:47:25,680 --> 02:47:30,059 and newscasters descended on Kew Gardens 4373 02:47:28,260 --> 02:47:32,700 the Press searched the neighborhood for 4374 02:47:30,059 --> 02:47:35,279 any scrap of uncovered information no 4375 02:47:32,700 --> 02:47:37,800 matter how small or insignificant Kitty 4376 02:47:35,280 --> 02:47:40,500 genovese's story began to take shape 4377 02:47:37,799 --> 02:47:42,239 during the week after the murder the 30 4378 02:47:40,500 --> 02:47:44,040 detectives who were assigned to the case 4379 02:47:42,239 --> 02:47:45,780 sifted through the neighborhood of Kew 4380 02:47:44,040 --> 02:47:47,939 Gardens and Forest Hills 4381 02:47:45,780 --> 02:47:49,640 they located a Milkman who was able to 4382 02:47:47,939 --> 02:47:51,960 furnish a description of a suspect 4383 02:47:49,639 --> 02:47:53,579 others also had observed Catherine's 4384 02:47:51,959 --> 02:47:56,219 killer in the area prior to the murder 4385 02:47:53,579 --> 02:47:58,620 and were able to add to the description 4386 02:47:56,219 --> 02:48:00,299 but it wasn't until six days later when 4387 02:47:58,620 --> 02:48:02,399 a suspect was arrested stealing a 4388 02:48:00,299 --> 02:48:06,599 television during a house burglary the 4389 02:48:02,398 --> 02:48:09,599 cops had their man Winston Mosley 29. 4390 02:48:06,600 --> 02:48:11,880 Mosley had no criminal record he was 4391 02:48:09,600 --> 02:48:13,020 married owned a home in Queens and had 4392 02:48:11,879 --> 02:48:15,539 two kids 4393 02:48:13,020 --> 02:48:17,340 sleight of build barely five foot eight 4394 02:48:15,540 --> 02:48:19,500 with thin features and a brooding 4395 02:48:17,340 --> 02:48:21,780 appearance Mosley was a machine operator 4396 02:48:19,500 --> 02:48:23,219 who worked in Mount Vernon in nearby 4397 02:48:21,780 --> 02:48:26,640 Westchester County 4398 02:48:23,219 --> 02:48:29,699 his arrest report dated March 19 1964 4399 02:48:26,639 --> 02:48:32,219 lists his occupation as Remington ran 4400 02:48:29,700 --> 02:48:33,479 tab operator he did not seem to be the 4401 02:48:32,219 --> 02:48:36,059 type of person who committed Street 4402 02:48:33,478 --> 02:48:38,039 muggings or murder but mostly quickly 4403 02:48:36,059 --> 02:48:39,180 confessed to the Genovese killing and 4404 02:48:38,040 --> 02:48:41,340 two others 4405 02:48:39,180 --> 02:48:44,280 he told cops that he had killed Barbara 4406 02:48:41,340 --> 02:48:46,920 kraleck 15. on July 20th in Springfield 4407 02:48:44,280 --> 02:48:50,220 Gardens queens and shot Annie Mae 4408 02:48:46,920 --> 02:48:53,460 Johnson 24 of South Ozone Park Queens on 4409 02:48:50,219 --> 02:48:57,000 February 29th both were Savage killings 4410 02:48:53,459 --> 02:49:00,000 trouble was another man named Alvin the 4411 02:48:57,000 --> 02:49:02,159 monster Mitchell 18 a local gang member 4412 02:49:00,000 --> 02:49:04,739 was already in custody for The kralik 4413 02:49:02,159 --> 02:49:07,318 Killing he had allegedly also confessed 4414 02:49:04,739 --> 02:49:10,619 to the teenager's murder but Mosley was 4415 02:49:07,318 --> 02:49:12,318 insistent he had killed them all he said 4416 02:49:10,620 --> 02:49:14,700 in the murder of Annie Mae Johnson 4417 02:49:12,318 --> 02:49:16,139 mostly insisted that he shot the victim 4418 02:49:14,700 --> 02:49:18,720 several times 4419 02:49:16,139 --> 02:49:20,639 I shot her in the stomach I reloaded and 4420 02:49:18,719 --> 02:49:21,719 shot her again in the stomach he told 4421 02:49:20,639 --> 02:49:23,760 cops 4422 02:49:21,719 --> 02:49:25,318 but the autopsy on Johnson had listed 4423 02:49:23,760 --> 02:49:27,059 the cause of death as puncture wounds 4424 02:49:25,318 --> 02:49:28,680 from a sharp object such as a 4425 02:49:27,059 --> 02:49:31,019 screwdriver or a file 4426 02:49:28,680 --> 02:49:33,120 based on Mosley's confession the body 4427 02:49:31,020 --> 02:49:34,859 was exhumed from a cemetery in Monk's 4428 02:49:33,120 --> 02:49:37,439 Corner South Carolina and a second 4429 02:49:34,859 --> 02:49:39,000 autopsy was performed using X-ray 4430 02:49:37,439 --> 02:49:41,220 equipment borrowed from a South Carolina 4431 02:49:39,000 --> 02:49:43,020 Medical College in Charleston the 4432 02:49:41,219 --> 02:49:45,599 coroner found Six Bullets inside 4433 02:49:43,020 --> 02:49:47,819 Johnson's body four of these bullets 4434 02:49:45,600 --> 02:49:49,500 were recovered the finding of these 4435 02:49:47,818 --> 02:49:51,180 bullets adds a lot of credence to 4436 02:49:49,500 --> 02:49:53,340 Winston Mosley's other statements 4437 02:49:51,180 --> 02:49:54,600 Queen's district attorney Frank O'Connor 4438 02:49:53,340 --> 02:49:55,978 told the Press 4439 02:49:54,600 --> 02:49:57,899 in the murder of fifteen-year-old 4440 02:49:55,978 --> 02:50:00,299 Barbara crawlik there was no blood 4441 02:49:57,898 --> 02:50:02,099 evidence available no test yet existed 4442 02:50:00,299 --> 02:50:05,099 that could compare bodily fluids for 4443 02:50:02,100 --> 02:50:07,380 conclusive DNA identification Mosley 4444 02:50:05,100 --> 02:50:09,540 however was able to supply details that 4445 02:50:07,379 --> 02:50:11,639 conform to the existing evidence 4446 02:50:09,540 --> 02:50:12,600 cops were satisfied they had the right 4447 02:50:11,639 --> 02:50:14,299 man 4448 02:50:12,600 --> 02:50:17,818 even his own crown-appointed attorney 4449 02:50:14,299 --> 02:50:19,978 Sydney G Sparrow believed Mosley 4450 02:50:17,818 --> 02:50:21,959 I'm convinced Mosley did all three of 4451 02:50:19,978 --> 02:50:23,519 these killings he told reporters after 4452 02:50:21,959 --> 02:50:26,279 he met with his client for three hours 4453 02:50:23,520 --> 02:50:27,899 in the Kings County psych ward there are 4454 02:50:26,280 --> 02:50:30,780 too many things he knew that only the 4455 02:50:27,898 --> 02:50:33,539 killer could know he added but there was 4456 02:50:30,780 --> 02:50:35,579 more Mosley confessed to other attacks 4457 02:50:33,540 --> 02:50:36,960 during nighttime Expeditions in which he 4458 02:50:35,579 --> 02:50:38,520 would roam the street searching for 4459 02:50:36,959 --> 02:50:40,019 victims at random 4460 02:50:38,520 --> 02:50:42,780 he said he had raped many women 4461 02:50:40,020 --> 02:50:45,120 frequently robbing them in the process 4462 02:50:42,780 --> 02:50:46,859 Mosley admitted to dozens of burglaries 4463 02:50:45,120 --> 02:50:48,359 including the one for which he was 4464 02:50:46,859 --> 02:50:50,340 arrested when he was caught stealing a 4465 02:50:48,359 --> 02:50:52,439 television but it was the assaults that 4466 02:50:50,340 --> 02:50:54,120 had detectives interested particularly 4467 02:50:52,439 --> 02:50:57,120 the failed attempts of rape which 4468 02:50:54,120 --> 02:51:00,180 several women reported Mosley it seemed 4469 02:50:57,120 --> 02:51:02,280 preferred sex with the dead Dr Oscar 4470 02:51:00,180 --> 02:51:04,380 Diamond a psychiatrist for Manhattan 4471 02:51:02,280 --> 02:51:07,140 State Hospital performed a pre-trial 4472 02:51:04,379 --> 02:51:09,358 psychiatric examination of Mosley he 4473 02:51:07,139 --> 02:51:11,879 told me he got no thrill with live women 4474 02:51:09,359 --> 02:51:14,340 he reaped he told the court later 4475 02:51:11,879 --> 02:51:16,858 by mid-april the Kitty Genovese story 4476 02:51:14,340 --> 02:51:18,659 had taken hold and the nation began a 4477 02:51:16,859 --> 02:51:21,420 lengthy period of analysis and 4478 02:51:18,659 --> 02:51:23,039 self-deprecation why would civilized 4479 02:51:21,420 --> 02:51:25,559 people turn away from another human 4480 02:51:23,040 --> 02:51:27,840 being in dire need of assistance 4481 02:51:25,559 --> 02:51:29,760 as the details of the killing emerged it 4482 02:51:27,840 --> 02:51:31,500 became plain that if any of the 38 4483 02:51:29,760 --> 02:51:33,659 Witnesses had simply called the police 4484 02:51:31,500 --> 02:51:36,120 at the first sign of trouble the victim 4485 02:51:33,659 --> 02:51:38,219 could have survived the initial stab 4486 02:51:36,120 --> 02:51:40,260 wounds inflicted may not have been fatal 4487 02:51:38,219 --> 02:51:42,239 timely medical treatment could have 4488 02:51:40,260 --> 02:51:44,579 saved the life of Catherine Genovese 4489 02:51:42,239 --> 02:51:47,760 were the witnesses really that 4490 02:51:44,579 --> 02:51:49,620 cold-hearted people wondered some 4491 02:51:47,760 --> 02:51:51,960 psychologists blamed television for the 4492 02:51:49,620 --> 02:51:54,060 sad State of Affairs in Kew Gardens 4493 02:51:51,959 --> 02:51:56,239 in a symposium held in Manhattan's 4494 02:51:54,059 --> 02:51:59,879 Barbizon Plaza Hotel in early April 4495 02:51:56,239 --> 02:52:02,398 1964. psychiatrist Ralph s Bernard said 4496 02:51:59,879 --> 02:52:04,619 television was at least partly to blame 4497 02:52:02,398 --> 02:52:07,079 we underestimate the damage that these 4498 02:52:04,620 --> 02:52:09,180 accumulated images do to the brain he 4499 02:52:07,079 --> 02:52:11,279 said the immediate effect can be 4500 02:52:09,180 --> 02:52:13,979 delusional equivalent to a sort of 4501 02:52:11,279 --> 02:52:16,439 post-hypnotic suggestion the witnesses 4502 02:52:13,978 --> 02:52:18,059 became confused and Paralyzed by the 4503 02:52:16,439 --> 02:52:20,939 violence they witnessed outside their 4504 02:52:18,059 --> 02:52:23,939 window he explained they were fascinated 4505 02:52:20,939 --> 02:52:25,800 by the drama by the action and yet not 4506 02:52:23,939 --> 02:52:29,159 entirely sure that what was taking place 4507 02:52:25,799 --> 02:52:31,079 was actually happening he said that 4508 02:52:29,159 --> 02:52:33,119 explanation fit in neatly with what some 4509 02:52:31,079 --> 02:52:34,859 of the witnesses had told police 4510 02:52:33,120 --> 02:52:36,720 they claimed that when they saw the 4511 02:52:34,859 --> 02:52:38,340 disturbance on Austin Street they 4512 02:52:36,719 --> 02:52:40,619 imagined it was an argument between a 4513 02:52:38,340 --> 02:52:42,420 man and wife or boyfriend and girlfriend 4514 02:52:40,620 --> 02:52:45,120 none really thought that they were 4515 02:52:42,420 --> 02:52:47,159 witnessing a real killing we thought it 4516 02:52:45,120 --> 02:52:49,620 was a lover's quarrel one witness later 4517 02:52:47,159 --> 02:52:51,539 said another neighbor repeated that 4518 02:52:49,620 --> 02:52:54,000 assertion when he said I thought there 4519 02:52:51,540 --> 02:52:55,740 were some kids having some fun others 4520 02:52:54,000 --> 02:52:57,059 complained of the media attention and 4521 02:52:55,739 --> 02:52:59,639 said the Press made the neighborhood 4522 02:52:57,059 --> 02:53:01,859 look bad these things happen every day 4523 02:52:59,639 --> 02:53:04,019 all over the world one neighbor told the 4524 02:53:01,859 --> 02:53:05,279 reporter the stories were only giving us 4525 02:53:04,020 --> 02:53:07,920 a black eye 4526 02:53:05,279 --> 02:53:09,659 Dr Carl meninger a world-renowned 4527 02:53:07,920 --> 02:53:12,239 psychiatrist and founder of the manager 4528 02:53:09,659 --> 02:53:15,059 clinic in Topeka Kansas also spoke at 4529 02:53:12,239 --> 02:53:16,978 the symposium public apathy to crime is 4530 02:53:15,059 --> 02:53:19,739 itself a manifestation of aggressiveness 4531 02:53:16,978 --> 02:53:22,199 he told the audience people turn away 4532 02:53:19,739 --> 02:53:24,840 for a variety of reasons including their 4533 02:53:22,200 --> 02:53:26,640 desire not to get involved but were 4534 02:53:24,840 --> 02:53:29,340 people in big cities more apathetic 4535 02:53:26,639 --> 02:53:31,079 colder and indifferent than others in 4536 02:53:29,340 --> 02:53:33,898 more rural environments 4537 02:53:31,079 --> 02:53:35,398 or was the Kitty Genovese syndrome as 4538 02:53:33,898 --> 02:53:38,699 some psychologists characterized it 4539 02:53:35,398 --> 02:53:40,799 indicative of society as a whole one 4540 02:53:38,700 --> 02:53:41,579 Dynamic brought forth was the bystander 4541 02:53:40,799 --> 02:53:43,619 effect 4542 02:53:41,579 --> 02:53:45,659 this theory speculates that as the 4543 02:53:43,620 --> 02:53:47,760 number of bystanders increases the 4544 02:53:45,659 --> 02:53:49,500 likelihood of any one bystander helping 4545 02:53:47,760 --> 02:53:51,779 another decreases 4546 02:53:49,500 --> 02:53:54,239 as a result additional time will pass 4547 02:53:51,779 --> 02:53:57,000 before anyone seeks outside help for a 4548 02:53:54,239 --> 02:53:58,318 person in distress another hypothesis is 4549 02:53:57,000 --> 02:53:59,579 something called the diffusion of 4550 02:53:58,318 --> 02:54:01,439 responsibility 4551 02:53:59,579 --> 02:54:03,420 this is simply a decrease in the feeling 4552 02:54:01,439 --> 02:54:04,920 of personal responsibility one feels 4553 02:54:03,420 --> 02:54:05,700 when in the presence of many other 4554 02:54:04,920 --> 02:54:08,398 people 4555 02:54:05,700 --> 02:54:11,159 the greater the number of bystanders the 4556 02:54:08,398 --> 02:54:12,840 less responsibility the individual feels 4557 02:54:11,159 --> 02:54:15,059 in cases where there are many people 4558 02:54:12,840 --> 02:54:17,159 present during an emergency it becomes 4559 02:54:15,059 --> 02:54:19,260 much more likely that any one individual 4560 02:54:17,159 --> 02:54:21,840 will simply do nothing 4561 02:54:19,260 --> 02:54:24,420 in essence the 38 Witnesses felt no 4562 02:54:21,840 --> 02:54:27,000 responsibility to act because there were 4563 02:54:24,420 --> 02:54:28,859 so many witnesses each one felt that the 4564 02:54:27,000 --> 02:54:31,318 other witness would do something 4565 02:54:28,859 --> 02:54:33,120 social psychology research supports the 4566 02:54:31,318 --> 02:54:35,039 notion that Catherine Genovese had a 4567 02:54:33,120 --> 02:54:36,779 better chance of survival if she'd been 4568 02:54:35,040 --> 02:54:39,600 attacked in the presence of just one 4569 02:54:36,779 --> 02:54:41,159 witness why had so many people stood by 4570 02:54:39,600 --> 02:54:43,500 and done nothing while an innocent 4571 02:54:41,159 --> 02:54:45,600 person was killed before their eyes 4572 02:54:43,500 --> 02:54:47,459 seldom has the times published a more 4573 02:54:45,600 --> 02:54:50,460 horrifying story than its account of how 4574 02:54:47,459 --> 02:54:53,099 38 respectable law-abiding middle class 4575 02:54:50,459 --> 02:54:55,079 Queen citizens watched a killer stalk as 4576 02:54:53,100 --> 02:54:56,460 young woman victim without one of them 4577 02:54:55,079 --> 02:54:58,799 making a call to the police department 4578 02:54:56,459 --> 02:55:02,159 that might have saved her life the times 4579 02:54:58,799 --> 02:55:03,959 wrote in an editorial on March 28th it 4580 02:55:02,159 --> 02:55:06,478 seemed to be too much for everyone to 4581 02:55:03,959 --> 02:55:07,919 digest though psychologists had several 4582 02:55:06,478 --> 02:55:09,719 theories to explain the depressing 4583 02:55:07,920 --> 02:55:12,239 conduct of the people in Kew Gardens 4584 02:55:09,719 --> 02:55:14,818 some dismissed it as a natural extension 4585 02:55:12,239 --> 02:55:17,039 of urban environment to people who lived 4586 02:55:14,818 --> 02:55:18,359 in Middle America or small towns the 4587 02:55:17,040 --> 02:55:20,520 reaction of the witnesses to the 4588 02:55:18,359 --> 02:55:22,859 Genovese murder was symbolic of the 4589 02:55:20,520 --> 02:55:25,560 hectic life in cities like New York 4590 02:55:22,859 --> 02:55:27,600 to them citizens in a large Metropolis 4591 02:55:25,559 --> 02:55:30,000 are not likely or willing to help a 4592 02:55:27,600 --> 02:55:31,979 stranger need although many New Yorkers 4593 02:55:30,000 --> 02:55:34,439 would disagree with that premise 4594 02:55:31,978 --> 02:55:35,818 Stanley Milgram one of America's 4595 02:55:34,439 --> 02:55:38,700 foremost researchers in social 4596 02:55:35,818 --> 02:55:40,500 psychology rode in the nation the Kew 4597 02:55:38,700 --> 02:55:43,079 Gardens incident has become the occasion 4598 02:55:40,500 --> 02:55:45,779 for a general attack on the city it's 4599 02:55:43,079 --> 02:55:47,760 portrayed as callous cruel indifferent 4600 02:55:45,779 --> 02:55:49,800 to the needs of the people and holy 4601 02:55:47,760 --> 02:55:52,439 inferior to the small town and quality 4602 02:55:49,799 --> 02:55:54,659 of its personal relationships others 4603 02:55:52,439 --> 02:55:57,359 like Lieutenant Bernard Jacobs of the 4604 02:55:54,659 --> 02:55:59,879 nycpd who led the police investigation 4605 02:55:57,359 --> 02:56:03,239 could not understand the reactions of 4606 02:55:59,879 --> 02:56:05,879 the 38. he told the Press where are they 4607 02:56:03,239 --> 02:56:07,680 in their homes near phones why should 4608 02:56:05,879 --> 02:56:10,619 they be afraid to call the police 4609 02:56:07,680 --> 02:56:13,020 it was a good question and there were 4610 02:56:10,620 --> 02:56:14,880 disturbing answers as well the police 4611 02:56:13,020 --> 02:56:16,439 received a great deal of criticism from 4612 02:56:14,879 --> 02:56:18,478 an angry public who had a deep 4613 02:56:16,439 --> 02:56:21,180 resentment against what they perceived 4614 02:56:18,478 --> 02:56:23,699 to be an indifferent rude and abusive 4615 02:56:21,180 --> 02:56:25,920 Police Department have you ever reported 4616 02:56:23,700 --> 02:56:28,620 anything to the police one letter to the 4617 02:56:25,920 --> 02:56:30,420 editor asked if you did you would know 4618 02:56:28,620 --> 02:56:33,120 that you're subjected to insults and 4619 02:56:30,420 --> 02:56:35,040 abuse from annoyed undutiful police 4620 02:56:33,120 --> 02:56:36,600 another frequent complaint was the 4621 02:56:35,040 --> 02:56:40,560 difficulty of calling the local police 4622 02:56:36,600 --> 02:56:42,359 precinct in 1964 there was no Universal 4623 02:56:40,559 --> 02:56:44,340 9-1-1 system 4624 02:56:42,359 --> 02:56:46,500 a caller had to dial the number to their 4625 02:56:44,340 --> 02:56:47,760 Precinct and sometimes the call went 4626 02:56:46,500 --> 02:56:50,159 somewhere else 4627 02:56:47,760 --> 02:56:51,898 the Genovese murder became a pivotal 4628 02:56:50,159 --> 02:56:53,459 factor in changing the phone reporting 4629 02:56:51,898 --> 02:56:57,000 procedure for the New York City Police 4630 02:56:53,459 --> 02:56:59,818 Department Dr Iago Goldston a New York 4631 02:56:57,000 --> 02:57:01,559 City psychiatrist said I would assign 4632 02:56:59,818 --> 02:57:04,019 this to the effect of the megalopolis in 4633 02:57:01,559 --> 02:57:06,239 which we live which makes closeness very 4634 02:57:04,020 --> 02:57:08,460 difficult and leads to the alienation of 4635 02:57:06,239 --> 02:57:10,559 the individual to the group another 4636 02:57:08,459 --> 02:57:12,539 professor was not so kind when he wrote 4637 02:57:10,559 --> 02:57:15,180 that the murder goes to the heart of 4638 02:57:12,540 --> 02:57:17,460 whether this is a community or a jungle 4639 02:57:15,180 --> 02:57:19,500 the killing of Kitty Genovese soon 4640 02:57:17,459 --> 02:57:22,339 became symbolic of all that was wrong 4641 02:57:19,500 --> 02:57:25,799 with modern society especially in cities 4642 02:57:22,340 --> 02:57:28,859 apathy was endemic beginning in April of 4643 02:57:25,799 --> 02:57:30,179 1964 New York City Newspapers printed a 4644 02:57:28,859 --> 02:57:32,700 series of stories highlighting the 4645 02:57:30,180 --> 02:57:35,279 apathy and callousness of citizens 4646 02:57:32,700 --> 02:57:37,620 one story which appeared on June 8th in 4647 02:57:35,279 --> 02:57:39,720 The Daily News told of a distraught man 4648 02:57:37,620 --> 02:57:41,220 who was perched on a 10-story ledge of a 4649 02:57:39,719 --> 02:57:43,920 Broadway office building 4650 02:57:41,219 --> 02:57:45,840 as police tried to talk the man down a 4651 02:57:43,920 --> 02:57:48,120 large crowd gathered in the street and 4652 02:57:45,840 --> 02:57:49,978 chanted jump jump 4653 02:57:48,120 --> 02:57:53,040 when the man was finally pulled off the 4654 02:57:49,978 --> 02:57:55,379 ledge the crowd loudly booed the cops 4655 02:57:53,040 --> 02:57:57,240 but an unidentified Theologian provided 4656 02:57:55,379 --> 02:57:59,039 the most telling piece of irony when he 4657 02:57:57,239 --> 02:58:00,898 sought to explain the urban problem of 4658 02:57:59,040 --> 02:58:03,960 indifference and the unwillingness of 4659 02:58:00,898 --> 02:58:05,760 the ordinary person to become involved I 4660 02:58:03,959 --> 02:58:07,739 can't understand it maybe the 4661 02:58:05,760 --> 02:58:10,079 depersonalizing here has gone farther 4662 02:58:07,739 --> 02:58:13,199 than I thought he told the times 4663 02:58:10,079 --> 02:58:15,478 he then added but don't quote me the 4664 02:58:13,200 --> 02:58:17,399 trial of Winston Mosley opened on June 8 4665 02:58:15,478 --> 02:58:20,159 1964. 4666 02:58:17,398 --> 02:58:22,799 though he originally pled not guilty his 4667 02:58:20,159 --> 02:58:25,139 attorney Sydney G Sparrow changed the 4668 02:58:22,799 --> 02:58:26,699 plea at the last minute to Not Guilty by 4669 02:58:25,139 --> 02:58:28,739 reason of insanity 4670 02:58:26,700 --> 02:58:30,300 since Mosley had already provided 4671 02:58:28,739 --> 02:58:32,520 detectives with a signed confession 4672 02:58:30,299 --> 02:58:34,199 which described exactly how he had 4673 02:58:32,520 --> 02:58:36,420 performed the killing there were not 4674 02:58:34,200 --> 02:58:38,520 many options left to the defense 4675 02:58:36,420 --> 02:58:40,200 many of the details of the murder made 4676 02:58:38,520 --> 02:58:42,420 public were derived from the written 4677 02:58:40,200 --> 02:58:45,659 confession and to plead not guilty to 4678 02:58:42,420 --> 02:58:47,340 the charges seemed ludicrous much to the 4679 02:58:45,659 --> 02:58:49,978 Chagrin of the defense team however 4680 02:58:47,340 --> 02:58:51,180 Mosley was pronounced sane by a state 4681 02:58:49,978 --> 02:58:52,920 psychiatrist 4682 02:58:51,180 --> 02:58:55,500 four residents of the Kew Gardens 4683 02:58:52,920 --> 02:58:57,898 neighborhood testified to the trial one 4684 02:58:55,500 --> 02:58:59,779 of them Miss Peak said that she saw 4685 02:58:57,898 --> 02:59:02,760 Catherine Genovese lying in the street 4686 02:58:59,779 --> 02:59:05,340 the poor girl got up slowly walking to 4687 02:59:02,760 --> 02:59:07,800 the parking lot I heard two last screams 4688 02:59:05,340 --> 02:59:10,620 for help but couldn't see her then she 4689 02:59:07,799 --> 02:59:12,719 said tearfully another Resident Robert 4690 02:59:10,620 --> 02:59:13,979 Moser said he yelled at the assailant 4691 02:59:12,719 --> 02:59:16,799 who then ran away 4692 02:59:13,978 --> 02:59:17,579 I hollered hey get out of there what are 4693 02:59:16,799 --> 02:59:19,559 you doing 4694 02:59:17,579 --> 02:59:21,898 he jumped up and ran like a scared 4695 02:59:19,559 --> 02:59:24,539 rabbit took off really quick he told the 4696 02:59:21,898 --> 02:59:26,939 court but it was mostly himself Who 4697 02:59:24,540 --> 02:59:28,200 provided both drama and revulsion to the 4698 02:59:26,939 --> 02:59:30,479 packed courtroom 4699 02:59:28,200 --> 02:59:32,279 he testified on the morning of June 11th 4700 02:59:30,478 --> 02:59:34,139 called to the stand by his own attorney 4701 02:59:32,279 --> 02:59:36,239 in the hope that the jury would see 4702 02:59:34,139 --> 02:59:38,278 Winston Mosley was insane 4703 02:59:36,239 --> 02:59:40,619 dressed in a neat short-sleeved white 4704 02:59:38,279 --> 02:59:43,020 shirt and speaking in a detached clear 4705 02:59:40,620 --> 02:59:45,180 voice he answered almost every question 4706 02:59:43,020 --> 02:59:46,979 in an even-handed manner 4707 02:59:45,180 --> 02:59:49,380 Sparrow asked his client about previous 4708 02:59:46,978 --> 02:59:51,179 crimes and Mosley admitted that he had 4709 02:59:49,379 --> 02:59:55,199 stabbed and killed 15-year-old Barbara 4710 02:59:51,180 --> 02:59:56,520 crawlik on July 20th 1963. Mosley also 4711 02:59:55,200 --> 02:59:58,800 confessed on the stand to the shooting 4712 02:59:56,520 --> 03:00:00,899 murder of Anne Mae Johnson on February 4713 02:59:58,799 --> 03:00:03,358 29 1964. 4714 03:00:00,898 --> 03:00:06,000 he said he shot Annie Johnson repeatedly 4715 03:00:03,359 --> 03:00:08,640 on the night of February 20th I intended 4716 03:00:06,000 --> 03:00:11,040 to kill her he told the court I didn't 4717 03:00:08,639 --> 03:00:13,619 think she was dead so I shot her again 4718 03:00:11,040 --> 03:00:16,319 when he turned her over Mosley said he 4719 03:00:13,620 --> 03:00:18,960 saw that she was dead I decided to reap 4720 03:00:16,318 --> 03:00:20,818 her he said without emotion then he 4721 03:00:18,959 --> 03:00:22,619 dragged her body into her home where he 4722 03:00:20,818 --> 03:00:25,680 set fire to her naked body in her living 4723 03:00:22,620 --> 03:00:27,660 room in the kralik murder Mosley said he 4724 03:00:25,680 --> 03:00:29,818 wanted to rape the teenager but was 4725 03:00:27,659 --> 03:00:31,619 scared Away by someone in the house 4726 03:00:29,818 --> 03:00:34,799 I looked at her for maybe a few seconds 4727 03:00:31,620 --> 03:00:36,600 then I put my knife into her as I was 4728 03:00:34,799 --> 03:00:38,759 stabbing her she squirmed free from my 4729 03:00:36,600 --> 03:00:40,439 grip I put my hand over her mouth and I 4730 03:00:38,760 --> 03:00:41,639 stabbed her some more he said to a 4731 03:00:40,439 --> 03:00:43,200 hushed courtroom 4732 03:00:41,639 --> 03:00:45,420 when it was time to describe the 4733 03:00:43,200 --> 03:00:47,340 Genovese murder Mosley said that he went 4734 03:00:45,420 --> 03:00:49,079 out on the night of March 13th for the 4735 03:00:47,340 --> 03:00:51,359 purpose of killing someone 4736 03:00:49,079 --> 03:00:54,059 I went out that night intending to kill 4737 03:00:51,359 --> 03:00:55,739 a woman he told the court when I got 4738 03:00:54,059 --> 03:00:57,478 such a thought it remained with me 4739 03:00:55,739 --> 03:01:00,239 regardless of what I might be thinking 4740 03:00:57,478 --> 03:01:02,398 he said I had a hunting knife that I'd 4741 03:01:00,239 --> 03:01:05,459 taken from a previous burglary and I 4742 03:01:02,398 --> 03:01:07,019 took that with me he added Mosley said 4743 03:01:05,459 --> 03:01:09,239 that he followed Catherine from her car 4744 03:01:07,020 --> 03:01:10,920 in the railroad parking lot to a nearby 4745 03:01:09,239 --> 03:01:13,379 building where he stabbed her the first 4746 03:01:10,920 --> 03:01:17,100 time I plunged the knife into her back 4747 03:01:13,379 --> 03:01:18,778 twice she fell down he said he saw 4748 03:01:17,100 --> 03:01:20,579 lights come on in the building across 4749 03:01:18,779 --> 03:01:23,040 the street and then returned to his car 4750 03:01:20,579 --> 03:01:25,260 to move it I realized the car was parked 4751 03:01:23,040 --> 03:01:27,439 where people could see it and me so I 4752 03:01:25,260 --> 03:01:29,639 moved it some distance away he said 4753 03:01:27,439 --> 03:01:31,559 mostly hurt some of the tenants of the 4754 03:01:29,639 --> 03:01:34,019 building yelled down at him but he said 4755 03:01:31,559 --> 03:01:35,639 he was unconcerned I had a feeling this 4756 03:01:34,020 --> 03:01:38,340 man would close his window and go back 4757 03:01:35,639 --> 03:01:41,579 to sleep he said to Cops and sure enough 4758 03:01:38,340 --> 03:01:43,318 he did on June 11th the defense and 4759 03:01:41,579 --> 03:01:45,539 prosecution summed up the case in front 4760 03:01:43,318 --> 03:01:47,818 of the 11-man one-woman jury 4761 03:01:45,540 --> 03:01:49,800 Sydney G Sparrow tried hard to get the 4762 03:01:47,818 --> 03:01:52,379 jury to accept the Not Guilty by reason 4763 03:01:49,799 --> 03:01:54,059 of insanity plea he tried to make the 4764 03:01:52,379 --> 03:01:57,358 court understand that Winston Mosley 4765 03:01:54,059 --> 03:02:00,000 lived a Dr Jekyll Mr Hyde existence 4766 03:01:57,359 --> 03:02:02,579 by day he had a regular job was married 4767 03:02:00,000 --> 03:02:04,318 had a family and seemed like any other 4768 03:02:02,579 --> 03:02:06,920 ordinary citizen 4769 03:02:04,318 --> 03:02:10,318 but at night he turned into a monster 4770 03:02:06,920 --> 03:02:12,299 addicted to murder and sexual frenzies 4771 03:02:10,318 --> 03:02:15,420 he said Mosley was a schizophrenic 4772 03:02:12,299 --> 03:02:17,278 personality and legally insane was It 4773 03:02:15,420 --> 03:02:20,279 Sane for him to go on about what he was 4774 03:02:17,279 --> 03:02:22,260 doing when 10 20 30 or 50 people were 4775 03:02:20,279 --> 03:02:24,359 opening Windows opening and closing 4776 03:02:22,260 --> 03:02:26,818 doors yelling at him he asked the jury 4777 03:02:24,359 --> 03:02:29,399 but the prosecuting attorney assistant 4778 03:02:26,818 --> 03:02:30,299 district attorney Frank Cacciatore was 4779 03:02:29,398 --> 03:02:33,420 ready 4780 03:02:30,299 --> 03:02:34,978 Mosley was a panther a beast roaming the 4781 03:02:33,420 --> 03:02:38,100 streets of Queens in the dead of night 4782 03:02:34,978 --> 03:02:40,318 he shouted at the courtroom judge J 4783 03:02:38,100 --> 03:02:43,200 Erwin Shapiro instructed the jury on the 4784 03:02:40,318 --> 03:02:44,639 insanity plea legal sanity means a 4785 03:02:43,200 --> 03:02:46,859 person must be held criminally 4786 03:02:44,639 --> 03:02:48,778 responsible for his conduct unless he 4787 03:02:46,859 --> 03:02:50,460 had such a defective reason that he 4788 03:02:48,779 --> 03:02:53,159 cannot distinguish between right and 4789 03:02:50,459 --> 03:02:55,379 wrong he said and through all of the 4790 03:02:53,159 --> 03:02:58,260 arguing and summations which lasted into 4791 03:02:55,379 --> 03:03:00,959 the late afternoon of June 11 1964. 4792 03:02:58,260 --> 03:03:02,219 Winston Mosley sat calmly in his seat at 4793 03:03:00,959 --> 03:03:05,278 the defense table 4794 03:03:02,219 --> 03:03:07,438 jury deliberations began at 4 pm at the 4795 03:03:05,279 --> 03:03:09,000 Queen's Supreme Court building just a 4796 03:03:07,439 --> 03:03:10,620 few minutes walk from Austin Street 4797 03:03:09,000 --> 03:03:11,760 where Catherine was murdered three 4798 03:03:10,620 --> 03:03:14,700 months before 4799 03:03:11,760 --> 03:03:17,818 by 10 30 PM less than seven hours later 4800 03:03:14,700 --> 03:03:20,220 a verdict was reached Mosley was found 4801 03:03:17,818 --> 03:03:22,260 guilty of murder in the first degree 4802 03:03:20,219 --> 03:03:24,239 he stood motionless as he heard the jury 4803 03:03:22,260 --> 03:03:27,420 announce its decision 4804 03:03:24,239 --> 03:03:29,100 he made no outward signs of emotion when 4805 03:03:27,420 --> 03:03:31,739 asked by the court clerk of his date of 4806 03:03:29,100 --> 03:03:35,700 birth he said I was born on March 2nd 4807 03:03:31,739 --> 03:03:37,199 1935 Manhattan graduate of high school I 4808 03:03:35,700 --> 03:03:39,720 occasionally go to church 4809 03:03:37,200 --> 03:03:41,460 then Court officers took him away 4810 03:03:39,719 --> 03:03:43,619 there were only about 10 Spectators 4811 03:03:41,459 --> 03:03:45,358 present when the verdict was announced 4812 03:03:43,620 --> 03:03:47,040 most people thought there would not be a 4813 03:03:45,359 --> 03:03:47,840 verdict until Monday and had left for 4814 03:03:47,040 --> 03:03:50,100 the weekend 4815 03:03:47,840 --> 03:03:52,260 conspicuous in their absence was the 4816 03:03:50,100 --> 03:03:54,479 Genovese family no one from the family 4817 03:03:52,260 --> 03:03:56,880 had ever visited the courtroom 4818 03:03:54,478 --> 03:04:00,179 none of us went to the trial not even 4819 03:03:56,879 --> 03:04:01,858 mom or dad said Bill Genovese we tried 4820 03:04:00,180 --> 03:04:04,620 to protect the family from the publicity 4821 03:04:01,859 --> 03:04:06,059 especially mom we hid the newspaper 4822 03:04:04,620 --> 03:04:09,479 articles from her 4823 03:04:06,059 --> 03:04:11,100 on Monday June 15 1964 Mosley was 4824 03:04:09,478 --> 03:04:13,799 brought back to Queen's County Supreme 4825 03:04:11,100 --> 03:04:15,600 Court for sentencing this time the 4826 03:04:13,799 --> 03:04:18,239 courtroom was packed with Spectators and 4827 03:04:15,600 --> 03:04:20,399 reporters the prosecution was allowed to 4828 03:04:18,239 --> 03:04:22,020 introduce any matters which they deem 4829 03:04:20,398 --> 03:04:23,760 relevant to show aggravating 4830 03:04:22,020 --> 03:04:24,720 circumstances of the defendant's 4831 03:04:23,760 --> 03:04:26,639 behavior 4832 03:04:24,719 --> 03:04:28,019 Four Women testified that Mosley had 4833 03:04:26,639 --> 03:04:30,299 also attacked them 4834 03:04:28,020 --> 03:04:33,659 he had beaten one of them but another 4835 03:04:30,299 --> 03:04:35,938 and robbed all four the testimony was 4836 03:04:33,659 --> 03:04:36,840 graphic and had an emotional impact on 4837 03:04:35,939 --> 03:04:39,720 the jury 4838 03:04:36,840 --> 03:04:41,398 life imprisonment isn't that at all this 4839 03:04:39,719 --> 03:04:43,139 monster can live to stalk the streets 4840 03:04:41,398 --> 03:04:45,840 again pleaded assistant district 4841 03:04:43,139 --> 03:04:48,478 attorney Frank cacciatore the jury 4842 03:04:45,840 --> 03:04:51,000 retired to consider the sentence a short 4843 03:04:48,478 --> 03:04:53,398 time later they announced their decision 4844 03:04:51,000 --> 03:04:56,100 we the jury recommend the death penalty 4845 03:04:53,398 --> 03:04:57,959 the jury Foreman said to the court the 4846 03:04:56,100 --> 03:04:59,640 room erupted into loud spontaneous 4847 03:04:57,959 --> 03:05:01,858 Applause and cheers 4848 03:04:59,639 --> 03:05:03,059 judge Shapiro pounded his gavel to 4849 03:05:01,859 --> 03:05:06,000 restore order 4850 03:05:03,059 --> 03:05:08,579 I've never seen anything like this never 4851 03:05:06,000 --> 03:05:10,260 not at such a Time said a veteran court 4852 03:05:08,579 --> 03:05:12,120 officer to reporters 4853 03:05:10,260 --> 03:05:14,159 once the clamor had settled down and 4854 03:05:12,120 --> 03:05:16,439 people took their seats again the judge 4855 03:05:14,159 --> 03:05:18,659 added his own thoughts I don't believe 4856 03:05:16,439 --> 03:05:21,600 in capital punishment but when I see 4857 03:05:18,659 --> 03:05:24,239 this monster he said I wouldn't hesitate 4858 03:05:21,600 --> 03:05:27,420 to pull the switch myself when he was 4859 03:05:24,239 --> 03:05:28,500 arrested in March 1964 Mosley was 28 4860 03:05:27,420 --> 03:05:30,719 years old 4861 03:05:28,500 --> 03:05:32,520 he owned a house in Queens was married 4862 03:05:30,719 --> 03:05:34,619 and had two children 4863 03:05:32,520 --> 03:05:37,260 he had a steady job and no criminal 4864 03:05:34,620 --> 03:05:39,960 record but Catherine was not his only 4865 03:05:37,260 --> 03:05:42,239 victim he committed dozens of burglaries 4866 03:05:39,959 --> 03:05:44,039 and rapes which he later admitted to the 4867 03:05:42,239 --> 03:05:46,020 police and at his trial 4868 03:05:44,040 --> 03:05:48,359 I chose women to kill because they were 4869 03:05:46,020 --> 03:05:51,060 easier and didn't fight back he once 4870 03:05:48,359 --> 03:05:52,439 said after his conviction Mosley was 4871 03:05:51,059 --> 03:05:54,059 remanded to the Department of 4872 03:05:52,439 --> 03:05:57,960 Corrections and eventually shipped to 4873 03:05:54,059 --> 03:06:00,000 Attica prison in 1967 the New York state 4874 03:05:57,959 --> 03:06:01,858 court of appeals found that evidence of 4875 03:06:00,000 --> 03:06:04,200 Mosley's mental condition should have 4876 03:06:01,859 --> 03:06:05,640 been admitted into trial his death 4877 03:06:04,200 --> 03:06:06,840 sentence was reduced to life 4878 03:06:05,639 --> 03:06:10,260 imprisonment 4879 03:06:06,840 --> 03:06:12,600 but in 1968 during a routine transfer to 4880 03:06:10,260 --> 03:06:15,300 a hospital in Buffalo Mosley managed to 4881 03:06:12,600 --> 03:06:17,460 overpower a guard and steal his gun 4882 03:06:15,299 --> 03:06:19,679 he later took five people hostage and 4883 03:06:17,459 --> 03:06:21,959 ripped a woman in front of her husband 4884 03:06:19,680 --> 03:06:23,340 the FBI located the escaped killer in a 4885 03:06:21,959 --> 03:06:24,478 second floor apartment in downtown 4886 03:06:23,340 --> 03:06:27,540 Buffalo 4887 03:06:24,478 --> 03:06:30,059 a courageous FBI agent named Neil Welsh 4888 03:06:27,540 --> 03:06:32,700 managed to enter the apartment and for 4889 03:06:30,059 --> 03:06:34,559 nail biting half hour Mosley and Welsh 4890 03:06:32,700 --> 03:06:36,680 pointed guns at each other point blank 4891 03:06:34,559 --> 03:06:40,139 while they continued negotiations 4892 03:06:36,680 --> 03:06:42,300 mostly later surrendered you ship back 4893 03:06:40,139 --> 03:06:45,840 to Attica prison where he became just 4894 03:06:42,299 --> 03:06:47,278 another lifer over the years Mosley like 4895 03:06:45,840 --> 03:06:49,439 a lot of other convicts who realized 4896 03:06:47,279 --> 03:06:51,120 they may never get out of prison became 4897 03:06:49,439 --> 03:06:53,760 somewhat philosophical 4898 03:06:51,120 --> 03:06:56,160 prison as it presently stands is an 4899 03:06:53,760 --> 03:06:58,200 inherently evil place that insidiously 4900 03:06:56,159 --> 03:07:00,840 and systematically works to destroy 4901 03:06:58,200 --> 03:07:04,200 imprisoned persons he said later 4902 03:07:00,840 --> 03:07:06,898 he was at Attica in September 1971 when 4903 03:07:04,200 --> 03:07:08,760 a bloody Riot erupted killing 10 guards 4904 03:07:06,898 --> 03:07:11,039 and 29 prisoners 4905 03:07:08,760 --> 03:07:12,779 I went through a trial of fire and death 4906 03:07:11,040 --> 03:07:13,680 he said in a letter to the New York 4907 03:07:12,779 --> 03:07:16,200 Times 4908 03:07:13,680 --> 03:07:18,779 the 71 Attica Rebellion profoundly 4909 03:07:16,200 --> 03:07:20,340 affected me I vowed right then and there 4910 03:07:18,779 --> 03:07:22,380 that I was going to get on the right 4911 03:07:20,340 --> 03:07:26,279 track and make amends for my past 4912 03:07:22,379 --> 03:07:28,318 wrongdoing in 1977 Mosley wrote a long 4913 03:07:26,279 --> 03:07:30,899 letter to the times airing his thoughts 4914 03:07:28,318 --> 03:07:32,699 on his killings and life in prison as 4915 03:07:30,898 --> 03:07:35,340 for the Catherine Genovese murder he 4916 03:07:32,700 --> 03:07:36,720 said the crime was tragic but it did 4917 03:07:35,340 --> 03:07:38,579 serve Society 4918 03:07:36,719 --> 03:07:41,159 urging it as it did to come to the aid 4919 03:07:38,579 --> 03:07:43,379 of its members in danger or distress 4920 03:07:41,159 --> 03:07:46,139 the times apparently seeing something 4921 03:07:43,379 --> 03:07:48,119 profound in Mosley's words saw fit to 4922 03:07:46,139 --> 03:07:50,459 publish the entire article in its op-ed 4923 03:07:48,120 --> 03:07:53,040 section under the alluring title today 4924 03:07:50,459 --> 03:07:55,438 I'm a man who wants to be an asset on 4925 03:07:53,040 --> 03:07:58,200 April 11 1977. 4926 03:07:55,439 --> 03:07:59,579 the story spanned four columns replete 4927 03:07:58,200 --> 03:08:01,260 with graphics and Mosley's own 4928 03:07:59,579 --> 03:08:03,719 description of a different and 4929 03:08:01,260 --> 03:08:06,420 constructive multiple killer the man who 4930 03:08:03,719 --> 03:08:10,079 killed Kitty Genovese in Queens in 1964 4931 03:08:06,420 --> 03:08:12,359 is no more Mosley wrote another vastly 4932 03:08:10,079 --> 03:08:14,459 different individual has emerged a 4933 03:08:12,359 --> 03:08:17,700 Winston Mosley intent and determined to 4934 03:08:14,459 --> 03:08:20,159 do constructive not destructive things 4935 03:08:17,700 --> 03:08:22,380 Mosley realized he'd become eligible for 4936 03:08:20,159 --> 03:08:24,779 parole and he began a concentrated 4937 03:08:22,379 --> 03:08:26,599 effort to gain release from prison 4938 03:08:24,779 --> 03:08:30,060 he read books from the prison library 4939 03:08:26,600 --> 03:08:31,859 and using taxpayer funds was able to 4940 03:08:30,059 --> 03:08:34,619 enroll in a college program 4941 03:08:31,859 --> 03:08:36,600 in the late 1970s he became one of the 4942 03:08:34,620 --> 03:08:38,819 first inmates in New York state to earn 4943 03:08:36,600 --> 03:08:41,399 a college degree when he received a ba 4944 03:08:38,818 --> 03:08:43,379 in sociology from Niagara University 4945 03:08:41,398 --> 03:08:45,358 he wrote letters to newspapers and 4946 03:08:43,379 --> 03:08:46,500 continued his campaign to obtain a 4947 03:08:45,359 --> 03:08:49,520 parole 4948 03:08:46,500 --> 03:08:51,898 During the period of 1984 through 1995 4949 03:08:49,520 --> 03:08:53,579 Mosley appeared before the state parole 4950 03:08:51,898 --> 03:08:55,500 board six times 4951 03:08:53,579 --> 03:08:57,478 his appearances were marked by his 4952 03:08:55,500 --> 03:08:59,760 bizarre self-serving comments to the 4953 03:08:57,478 --> 03:09:02,398 panel and he frequently assumed the role 4954 03:08:59,760 --> 03:09:05,398 of society's victim for a victim outside 4955 03:09:02,398 --> 03:09:07,318 it's a one-time or one hour or one 4956 03:09:05,398 --> 03:09:10,978 minute Affair but for the person who's 4957 03:09:07,318 --> 03:09:13,318 caught it's forever he said in 1984. 4958 03:09:10,978 --> 03:09:16,619 people do kill people when they mug them 4959 03:09:13,318 --> 03:09:18,359 sometimes he added at One Parole hearing 4960 03:09:16,620 --> 03:09:20,939 Mosley claimed he had written a letter 4961 03:09:18,359 --> 03:09:23,100 to the Genovese family to apologize for 4962 03:09:20,939 --> 03:09:25,260 the inconvenience I caused 4963 03:09:23,100 --> 03:09:28,020 the Genovese family strongly denied 4964 03:09:25,260 --> 03:09:31,500 receiving any such communication nor did 4965 03:09:28,020 --> 03:09:34,260 they wish for one in 1995 at the age of 4966 03:09:31,500 --> 03:09:35,398 60 Mosley thought he had found a way out 4967 03:09:34,260 --> 03:09:37,318 of prison 4968 03:09:35,398 --> 03:09:39,119 he appealed to a federal court to give 4969 03:09:37,318 --> 03:09:41,579 him a new trial because he claimed that 4970 03:09:39,120 --> 03:09:43,800 his attorney Sydney Sparrow had a 4971 03:09:41,579 --> 03:09:46,379 conflict of interest during his trial 4972 03:09:43,799 --> 03:09:49,318 had once represented Catherine Genovese 4973 03:09:46,379 --> 03:09:51,839 on a minor gambling charge and therefore 4974 03:09:49,318 --> 03:09:54,059 mostly surmised he could not represent 4975 03:09:51,840 --> 03:09:56,639 him when he was accused of her murder 4976 03:09:54,059 --> 03:09:59,818 this time however the Genovese family 4977 03:09:56,639 --> 03:10:02,159 did attend all three brothers Vince 4978 03:09:59,818 --> 03:10:04,739 Frank and Bill who lost both legs in 4979 03:10:02,159 --> 03:10:07,739 1967 during the Vietnam war and his 4980 03:10:04,739 --> 03:10:10,139 sister Susan were there it was tough to 4981 03:10:07,739 --> 03:10:12,619 hear it all again said bill but it was 4982 03:10:10,139 --> 03:10:15,840 tougher on Vince who testified 4983 03:10:12,620 --> 03:10:17,819 then 82 years old also attended the 4984 03:10:15,840 --> 03:10:19,920 hearing and later said that Mosley was a 4985 03:10:17,818 --> 03:10:21,119 liar trying to get out of prison anyway 4986 03:10:19,920 --> 03:10:24,659 he can 4987 03:10:21,120 --> 03:10:26,700 on November 13 1995 a federal judge 4988 03:10:24,659 --> 03:10:30,119 denied Mosley's request for a new trial 4989 03:10:26,700 --> 03:10:32,579 saying that Sparrow in 1964 gave Mosley 4990 03:10:30,120 --> 03:10:34,740 effective competent and capable counsel 4991 03:10:32,579 --> 03:10:37,439 under difficult circumstances 4992 03:10:34,739 --> 03:10:39,659 he was returned to prison once again 4993 03:10:37,439 --> 03:10:42,420 for the families of murder victims there 4994 03:10:39,659 --> 03:10:44,398 is never closure only a periodic respite 4995 03:10:42,420 --> 03:10:45,600 from the sorrow that once dominated 4996 03:10:44,398 --> 03:10:47,519 their lives 4997 03:10:45,600 --> 03:10:50,399 a long time has passed since the murder 4998 03:10:47,520 --> 03:10:51,899 in Kew Gardens but in many ways it's 4999 03:10:50,398 --> 03:10:54,420 still recent for those who loved 5000 03:10:51,898 --> 03:10:56,639 Catherine from time to time the Press 5001 03:10:54,420 --> 03:10:58,559 still calls on the Genovese family 5002 03:10:56,639 --> 03:11:01,079 I was consulted in a project for the 5003 03:10:58,559 --> 03:11:02,639 History Channel said Bill the ex-marine 5004 03:11:01,079 --> 03:11:04,739 and Vietnam veteran 5005 03:11:02,639 --> 03:11:07,199 he lost his legs in combat on a Friday 5006 03:11:04,739 --> 03:11:09,359 the 13th the same day that Catherine was 5007 03:11:07,200 --> 03:11:11,220 killed but three years later 5008 03:11:09,359 --> 03:11:14,579 see they're going to do the story anyway 5009 03:11:11,219 --> 03:11:17,398 so we might as well cooperate he said 5010 03:11:14,579 --> 03:11:19,079 Vince nodded his head in agreement at 5011 03:11:17,398 --> 03:11:22,500 least we have some measure of control if 5012 03:11:19,079 --> 03:11:25,559 we cooperate he said of the 38 Witnesses 5013 03:11:22,500 --> 03:11:28,799 the family had little to say it was 5014 03:11:25,559 --> 03:11:31,859 shocking devastating awful our sister 5015 03:11:28,799 --> 03:11:33,959 could have been saved Vince said I don't 5016 03:11:31,859 --> 03:11:36,479 know who they are even I didn't want to 5017 03:11:33,959 --> 03:11:38,339 talk to any of them the witnesses 5018 03:11:36,478 --> 03:11:41,519 however and their failure to take action 5019 03:11:38,340 --> 03:11:44,219 on the night of March 13 1964 will never 5020 03:11:41,520 --> 03:11:46,140 be forgotten in the past four decades 5021 03:11:44,219 --> 03:11:48,420 Catherine's murder has been absorbed 5022 03:11:46,139 --> 03:11:50,778 into the vast psychological database of 5023 03:11:48,420 --> 03:11:53,579 human Behavioral Science to be studied 5024 03:11:50,779 --> 03:11:56,100 analyzed picked apart in classrooms and 5025 03:11:53,579 --> 03:11:58,379 written about in college textbooks but 5026 03:11:56,100 --> 03:12:00,960 that development intends no disrespect 5027 03:11:58,379 --> 03:12:03,119 for her death her case came to symbolize 5028 03:12:00,959 --> 03:12:04,978 the corruption of modern city life a 5029 03:12:03,120 --> 03:12:07,979 life in which everyone is too frightened 5030 03:12:04,978 --> 03:12:09,239 or too selfish to help another person a 5031 03:12:07,978 --> 03:12:11,219 life in which the value of 5032 03:12:09,239 --> 03:12:13,379 humanitarianism has been forgotten 5033 03:12:11,219 --> 03:12:14,879 rights Professor Helen Benedict of 5034 03:12:13,379 --> 03:12:18,179 Columbia University 5035 03:12:14,879 --> 03:12:21,119 Mosley was denied parole on 18th time in 5036 03:12:18,180 --> 03:12:25,620 November 2015 and died in prison on 5037 03:12:21,120 --> 03:12:28,319 March 28 2016 at the age of 81. he had 5038 03:12:25,620 --> 03:12:30,359 served 52 years making him one of the 5039 03:12:28,318 --> 03:12:33,559 longest serving inmates in the New York 5040 03:12:30,359 --> 03:12:33,559 state prison system 5041 03:12:41,159 --> 03:12:46,318 Rey and Faye Copeland aren't the only 5042 03:12:43,739 --> 03:12:49,379 husband and wife Killers but they may be 5043 03:12:46,318 --> 03:12:51,359 the most bizarre not only did they 5044 03:12:49,379 --> 03:12:52,920 commit multiple murders together but 5045 03:12:51,359 --> 03:12:54,899 they were both eligible for Social 5046 03:12:52,920 --> 03:12:57,299 Security at the time of their crimes 5047 03:12:54,898 --> 03:12:59,459 little information is readily available 5048 03:12:57,299 --> 03:13:01,739 and few Studies have been conducted on 5049 03:12:59,459 --> 03:13:04,438 perpetrators over the age of 60. 5050 03:13:01,739 --> 03:13:06,659 according to the 2000 Russian Journal of 5051 03:13:04,439 --> 03:13:08,700 Psychiatry most elderly murderers 5052 03:13:06,659 --> 03:13:11,879 demonstrate a close relationship between 5053 03:13:08,700 --> 03:13:14,220 pre-senile senile disorders and social 5054 03:13:11,879 --> 03:13:15,659 psychological factors and more than half 5055 03:13:14,219 --> 03:13:18,299 demonstrate clear evidence of 5056 03:13:15,659 --> 03:13:19,500 Psychopathology another study conducted 5057 03:13:18,299 --> 03:13:21,659 that same year by the medical 5058 03:13:19,500 --> 03:13:23,040 Correctional Authority showed that most 5059 03:13:21,659 --> 03:13:25,139 of those sent to prison for the first 5060 03:13:23,040 --> 03:13:27,960 time when 60 or older had committed 5061 03:13:25,139 --> 03:13:30,358 Crimes of Passion Rey and Faye were 5062 03:13:27,959 --> 03:13:32,818 convicted of killing five men and none 5063 03:13:30,359 --> 03:13:34,439 of them were Crimes of Passion that's 5064 03:13:32,818 --> 03:13:37,079 not to say that they were in their right 5065 03:13:34,439 --> 03:13:38,880 Minds at the time perhaps by looking at 5066 03:13:37,079 --> 03:13:41,100 the complete picture we can get a better 5067 03:13:38,879 --> 03:13:44,579 understanding of what drove them to kill 5068 03:13:41,100 --> 03:13:46,920 bill on August 20th 1989 the Nebraska 5069 03:13:44,579 --> 03:13:49,739 Crime Stoppers hotline logged a call 5070 03:13:46,920 --> 03:13:51,600 from 57-year-old Jack McCormick he had 5071 03:13:49,739 --> 03:13:53,398 recently moved from Missouri where he 5072 03:13:51,600 --> 03:13:55,859 had witnessed several events that made 5073 03:13:53,398 --> 03:13:58,019 him fear for his life he had worked on a 5074 03:13:55,859 --> 03:14:00,239 farm for an elderly couple named Ray and 5075 03:13:58,020 --> 03:14:02,279 Faye Copeland who would use Drifters to 5076 03:14:00,239 --> 03:14:04,619 commit crimes involving the sale of 5077 03:14:02,279 --> 03:14:07,140 livestock in the beginning He was 5078 03:14:04,620 --> 03:14:09,439 unaware of the illegal activities but he 5079 03:14:07,139 --> 03:14:11,879 eventually realized what was going on 5080 03:14:09,439 --> 03:14:14,040 McCormick said Mr Copeland eventually 5081 03:14:11,879 --> 03:14:17,099 became aware of his suspicions and tried 5082 03:14:14,040 --> 03:14:19,439 to kill him which is why he fled as the 5083 03:14:17,100 --> 03:14:21,120 conversation came to a close McCormick 5084 03:14:19,439 --> 03:14:24,120 mentioned that he had seen several human 5085 03:14:21,120 --> 03:14:26,399 bones on the farm Nebraska authorities 5086 03:14:24,120 --> 03:14:29,640 while somewhat skeptical of the story 5087 03:14:26,398 --> 03:14:32,039 notified detectives in Missouri Copeland 5088 03:14:29,639 --> 03:14:34,019 had a long arrest record for forgery and 5089 03:14:32,040 --> 03:14:36,840 cattle theft so Missouri authorities 5090 03:14:34,020 --> 03:14:38,399 took the tip very seriously they spent 5091 03:14:36,840 --> 03:14:40,318 the next few months Gathering evidence 5092 03:14:38,398 --> 03:14:42,539 and used McCormick's statements to 5093 03:14:40,318 --> 03:14:46,199 secure a search warrant on the morning 5094 03:14:42,540 --> 03:14:48,479 of October 9 1989 Sheriff Leland Odell 5095 03:14:46,200 --> 03:14:50,880 along with as many as 40 officers 5096 03:14:48,478 --> 03:14:53,219 several backhoes and teams of 5097 03:14:50,879 --> 03:14:55,619 bloodhounds descended upon the Copeland 5098 03:14:53,219 --> 03:14:58,559 farm with such a large area to cover 5099 03:14:55,620 --> 03:15:01,260 Odell needed all the help he could get 5100 03:14:58,559 --> 03:15:03,299 after spending a week scouring the farm 5101 03:15:01,260 --> 03:15:05,279 and surrounding property investigators 5102 03:15:03,299 --> 03:15:07,858 had not found any evidence to back up 5103 03:15:05,279 --> 03:15:09,720 McCormick's story some were beginning to 5104 03:15:07,859 --> 03:15:13,680 wonder if they had made a terrible 5105 03:15:09,719 --> 03:15:16,519 mistake nonetheless on October 17 1989 5106 03:15:13,680 --> 03:15:18,898 all doubts were put to rest 5107 03:15:16,520 --> 03:15:21,060 investigators discovered three bodies in 5108 03:15:18,898 --> 03:15:23,579 a local Barn Ray Copeland was known to 5109 03:15:21,059 --> 03:15:25,680 use each one was buried in a separate 5110 03:15:23,579 --> 03:15:28,020 grave and they were later identified as 5111 03:15:25,680 --> 03:15:30,960 21 year old Paul Jason Cowart from 5112 03:15:28,020 --> 03:15:34,079 Dardanelle Arkansas 27 year old John W 5113 03:15:30,959 --> 03:15:36,059 Freeman from Tulsa Oklahoma and 27 year 5114 03:15:34,079 --> 03:15:38,939 old Jimmy Dale Harvey from Springfield 5115 03:15:36,059 --> 03:15:41,340 Missouri all three had died from a 5116 03:15:38,939 --> 03:15:44,279 single gunshot wound to the back of 5117 03:15:41,340 --> 03:15:46,380 skull the following week investigators 5118 03:15:44,279 --> 03:15:48,779 searched another barn Rey was known to 5119 03:15:46,379 --> 03:15:51,000 use more than a dozen deputies and 5120 03:15:48,779 --> 03:15:53,579 volunteers spent several hours removing 5121 03:15:51,000 --> 03:15:56,279 2 000 bales of hay which was stacked 5122 03:15:53,579 --> 03:15:58,260 ceiling High investigators discovered a 5123 03:15:56,279 --> 03:16:00,720 body wrapped in black plastic beneath 5124 03:15:58,260 --> 03:16:02,639 the barn floor the victim had also been 5125 03:16:00,719 --> 03:16:05,278 killed by a single gunshot to the back 5126 03:16:02,639 --> 03:16:07,920 of the head he was later identified as 5127 03:16:05,279 --> 03:16:09,560 Wayne Warner age unknown 5128 03:16:07,920 --> 03:16:12,840 during a search of Ray's home 5129 03:16:09,559 --> 03:16:15,180 investigators seized a 22 caliber Marlin 5130 03:16:12,840 --> 03:16:17,700 bolt action rifle according to the 5131 03:16:15,180 --> 03:16:19,859 Kansas City Star ballistic tests later 5132 03:16:17,700 --> 03:16:22,500 revealed it was the weapon used in each 5133 03:16:19,859 --> 03:16:24,420 murder investigators also discovered a 5134 03:16:22,500 --> 03:16:26,939 handwritten list of farm helpers in 5135 03:16:24,420 --> 03:16:29,760 Phase writing 12 of the names had 5136 03:16:26,939 --> 03:16:31,559 scrawled X's by them five of those men 5137 03:16:29,760 --> 03:16:33,659 turned up dead and investigator 5138 03:16:31,559 --> 03:16:36,778 suspected that the others who turned out 5139 03:16:33,659 --> 03:16:39,180 to be missing were also dead in addition 5140 03:16:36,779 --> 03:16:41,100 they also found a quilt which Faye had 5141 03:16:39,180 --> 03:16:43,760 made from the clothing of the murdered 5142 03:16:41,100 --> 03:16:46,800 men as the search began to wind down 5143 03:16:43,760 --> 03:16:49,260 investigators made one final Discovery 5144 03:16:46,799 --> 03:16:51,299 while examining an old well close to 5145 03:16:49,260 --> 03:16:54,000 where Warner's body was found they 5146 03:16:51,299 --> 03:16:56,099 discovered the body of another man he 5147 03:16:54,000 --> 03:16:58,978 was later identified as 27 year old 5148 03:16:56,100 --> 03:17:00,840 Dennis Murphy as with the others his 5149 03:16:58,978 --> 03:17:03,179 death resulted from a single Bullet to 5150 03:17:00,840 --> 03:17:05,818 the back of the head prosecutors were 5151 03:17:03,180 --> 03:17:07,559 quick to offer Faye Copeland a deal if 5152 03:17:05,818 --> 03:17:09,778 she were to tell investigators wear more 5153 03:17:07,559 --> 03:17:11,699 body might be found they would only 5154 03:17:09,779 --> 03:17:13,560 charge her with conspiracy to commit 5155 03:17:11,700 --> 03:17:16,079 murder and she would serve a few months 5156 03:17:13,559 --> 03:17:18,478 in jail for her cooperation regardless 5157 03:17:16,079 --> 03:17:20,939 they claimed to have no knowledge of any 5158 03:17:18,478 --> 03:17:22,978 of the murders both Rey and Faye 5159 03:17:20,939 --> 03:17:25,800 Copeland were arraigned on five counts 5160 03:17:22,978 --> 03:17:28,079 of first-degree murder prosecutors did 5161 03:17:25,799 --> 03:17:29,759 not want to take any chances and Rey was 5162 03:17:28,079 --> 03:17:32,039 taken to a state mental hospital for 5163 03:17:29,760 --> 03:17:34,920 evaluation the last thing the state 5164 03:17:32,040 --> 03:17:36,660 wanted was an insanity defense the 5165 03:17:34,920 --> 03:17:38,700 public defender's office knew it would 5166 03:17:36,659 --> 03:17:40,200 be hard to defend the couple together so 5167 03:17:38,700 --> 03:17:42,840 they filed for a motion to have the 5168 03:17:40,200 --> 03:17:44,399 cases tried separately no one knew for 5169 03:17:42,840 --> 03:17:46,739 certain which direction the trial would 5170 03:17:44,398 --> 03:17:49,019 take but everyone suspected Faye would 5171 03:17:46,739 --> 03:17:51,059 have a better chance on her own the 5172 03:17:49,020 --> 03:17:52,859 prosecution was playing Hardball and 5173 03:17:51,059 --> 03:17:55,139 rather than life in prison they were 5174 03:17:52,859 --> 03:17:57,960 seeking the death penalty in both cases 5175 03:17:55,139 --> 03:18:00,719 Ray Copeland was born in Oklahoma during 5176 03:17:57,959 --> 03:18:03,778 1914 just as World War one was beginning 5177 03:18:00,719 --> 03:18:05,879 in Europe Rey's parents Jess and Laney 5178 03:18:03,779 --> 03:18:07,800 Copeland moved around frequently as he 5179 03:18:05,879 --> 03:18:11,398 was growing up and eventually settled in 5180 03:18:07,799 --> 03:18:13,318 Ozark Hills Arkansas by this time Rey's 5181 03:18:11,398 --> 03:18:15,659 mother had given birth to a daughter and 5182 03:18:13,318 --> 03:18:18,478 another son following the conflict in 5183 03:18:15,659 --> 03:18:20,579 Europe the Great Depression began in 5184 03:18:18,478 --> 03:18:23,159 order to survive every person had to 5185 03:18:20,579 --> 03:18:25,260 contribute to the family's survival Rey 5186 03:18:23,159 --> 03:18:27,180 was no exception and during his fourth 5187 03:18:25,260 --> 03:18:29,460 grade of schooling he dropped out to 5188 03:18:27,180 --> 03:18:31,380 help with a family's small farm little 5189 03:18:29,459 --> 03:18:33,299 is known about Rey's adolescent years 5190 03:18:31,379 --> 03:18:35,879 but friends of the family later 5191 03:18:33,299 --> 03:18:38,398 described him to Miller as stubborn and 5192 03:18:35,879 --> 03:18:40,858 insubordinate Rey's Life Of Crime 5193 03:18:38,398 --> 03:18:43,019 started at the age of 20 when he stole 5194 03:18:40,859 --> 03:18:44,460 two hogs from his father and sold them 5195 03:18:43,020 --> 03:18:47,159 in another town 5196 03:18:44,459 --> 03:18:49,379 father later found out but no formal 5197 03:18:47,159 --> 03:18:51,299 charges were ever filed for the next 5198 03:18:49,379 --> 03:18:54,000 several years Rey continued to commit 5199 03:18:51,299 --> 03:18:55,920 Petty thefts the majority of his illegal 5200 03:18:54,000 --> 03:18:58,079 activities revolved around the theft of 5201 03:18:55,920 --> 03:19:02,100 livestock but he eventually started to 5202 03:18:58,079 --> 03:19:04,439 commit more serious crimes in 1936 he 5203 03:19:02,100 --> 03:19:06,300 was arrested in Harrison Arkansas and 5204 03:19:04,439 --> 03:19:08,760 charged with forging government checks 5205 03:19:06,299 --> 03:19:11,099 he was later sentenced to one year in 5206 03:19:08,760 --> 03:19:13,260 the county jail after serving out his 5207 03:19:11,100 --> 03:19:15,659 sentence Rey moved back to his parents 5208 03:19:13,260 --> 03:19:17,880 Farm there's no public record of his 5209 03:19:15,659 --> 03:19:19,559 activities for the next three years so 5210 03:19:17,879 --> 03:19:22,199 he either managed to stay out of trouble 5211 03:19:19,559 --> 03:19:24,840 during this time or he was more careful 5212 03:19:22,200 --> 03:19:26,640 in the crimes he chose to commit things 5213 03:19:24,840 --> 03:19:29,639 began to look up for Rey during the 5214 03:19:26,639 --> 03:19:31,739 Spring of 1940. during a routine visit 5215 03:19:29,639 --> 03:19:34,379 to a physician's office he met a young 5216 03:19:31,739 --> 03:19:36,299 girl named Faye Della Wilson the 5217 03:19:34,379 --> 03:19:38,699 fair-haired 19 year old was the daughter 5218 03:19:36,299 --> 03:19:40,139 of Rufus and Gladys Wilson a 5219 03:19:38,700 --> 03:19:42,779 hard-working couple from Harrison 5220 03:19:40,139 --> 03:19:44,398 Arkansas Faye's parents had very little 5221 03:19:42,779 --> 03:19:46,380 money but they did manage to raise 5222 03:19:44,398 --> 03:19:49,019 raised seven children in a dirt floor 5223 03:19:46,379 --> 03:19:51,420 cabin Ray and Faye quickly hit it off 5224 03:19:49,020 --> 03:19:53,760 and less than six months later they were 5225 03:19:51,420 --> 03:19:55,739 married within a year of their nuptials 5226 03:19:53,760 --> 03:19:58,380 the couple had a boy whom they named 5227 03:19:55,739 --> 03:20:02,520 Everett two years later Faye gave birth 5228 03:19:58,379 --> 03:20:04,318 to another child Billy Ray in 1944 Rey 5229 03:20:02,520 --> 03:20:06,840 decided to move his growing family to 5230 03:20:04,318 --> 03:20:09,059 Fresno County California the following 5231 03:20:06,840 --> 03:20:12,600 year the couple's first and only girl 5232 03:20:09,059 --> 03:20:16,379 Betty Lou was born two years later in 5233 03:20:12,600 --> 03:20:19,859 1947 the couple's third son alvia was 5234 03:20:16,379 --> 03:20:22,500 born in 1949 Rey was accused of stealing 5235 03:20:19,859 --> 03:20:24,899 horses from a local farmer no charges 5236 03:20:22,500 --> 03:20:27,478 were filed but Rey's reputation was 5237 03:20:24,898 --> 03:20:29,760 severely damaged later that same year 5238 03:20:27,478 --> 03:20:33,000 Faye gave birth to the couple's fifth 5239 03:20:29,760 --> 03:20:35,279 child William Wayne due to suspected 5240 03:20:33,000 --> 03:20:37,500 horse thefts Rey was unable to find 5241 03:20:35,279 --> 03:20:40,200 Steady work so he eventually moved his 5242 03:20:37,500 --> 03:20:41,818 family back to Arkansas the Copelands 5243 03:20:40,200 --> 03:20:44,340 were in Arkansas for less than a month 5244 03:20:41,818 --> 03:20:46,439 when Rey was arrested for cattle theft 5245 03:20:44,340 --> 03:20:48,359 charged with grand larceny he was 5246 03:20:46,439 --> 03:20:51,059 convicted and sentenced to one year in 5247 03:20:48,359 --> 03:20:52,500 jail upon his release from prison Rey 5248 03:20:51,059 --> 03:20:55,199 moved his family to Rocky Comfort 5249 03:20:52,500 --> 03:20:58,978 Missouri the change in scenery did not 5250 03:20:55,200 --> 03:21:01,260 help and in 1951 Rey was again arrested 5251 03:20:58,978 --> 03:21:04,619 for cattle theft he was sentenced to 5252 03:21:01,260 --> 03:21:07,680 manual labor on the judge's Farm in 1953 5253 03:21:04,620 --> 03:21:09,840 Ray moved his family to Illinois over 5254 03:21:07,680 --> 03:21:12,239 the next eight years the Copelands moved 5255 03:21:09,840 --> 03:21:14,398 from town to town and Rey was arrested 5256 03:21:12,239 --> 03:21:17,100 on at least three separate occasions for 5257 03:21:14,398 --> 03:21:19,559 writing bad checks fines and jail time 5258 03:21:17,100 --> 03:21:23,040 did little to deter Rey and he continued 5259 03:21:19,559 --> 03:21:26,119 to dabble in illegal activities in 1961 5260 03:21:23,040 --> 03:21:29,460 Ray paid for 20 head of cattle with a 5261 03:21:26,120 --> 03:21:31,560 2960 check the seller soon discovered 5262 03:21:29,459 --> 03:21:33,539 the check was no good and Rey was 5263 03:21:31,559 --> 03:21:36,180 arrested and sentenced to nine months 5264 03:21:33,540 --> 03:21:38,819 behind bars directly after his release 5265 03:21:36,180 --> 03:21:41,398 Rey passed another bad check during the 5266 03:21:38,818 --> 03:21:43,318 purchase of 19 head of cattle he was 5267 03:21:41,398 --> 03:21:44,760 again arrested and sentenced to another 5268 03:21:43,318 --> 03:21:47,459 nine months in jail 5269 03:21:44,760 --> 03:21:49,260 after his last stint in jail Rey finally 5270 03:21:47,459 --> 03:21:51,778 came to the realization that something 5271 03:21:49,260 --> 03:21:53,818 needed to change he was spending more 5272 03:21:51,779 --> 03:21:56,819 time as a prisoner than he was a free 5273 03:21:53,818 --> 03:21:59,219 man unfortunately rather than change his 5274 03:21:56,818 --> 03:22:01,978 actions he ultimately decided he needed 5275 03:21:59,219 --> 03:22:04,379 to change his methods he needed to 5276 03:22:01,978 --> 03:22:06,239 formulate a new game plan and he decided 5277 03:22:04,379 --> 03:22:09,059 to go straight until he could figure out 5278 03:22:06,239 --> 03:22:11,398 the details during the summer of 1966 5279 03:22:09,059 --> 03:22:13,278 Rey decided it was time to move once 5280 03:22:11,398 --> 03:22:15,959 again and he took his family to Missouri 5281 03:22:13,279 --> 03:22:18,120 the following year the Copeland Clan 5282 03:22:15,959 --> 03:22:20,579 purchased a small farm with 40 acres of 5283 03:22:18,120 --> 03:22:22,560 land they paid six thousand dollars for 5284 03:22:20,579 --> 03:22:24,659 their new home which was located in 5285 03:22:22,559 --> 03:22:26,760 Mooresville Missouri they were in 5286 03:22:24,659 --> 03:22:28,619 desperate need of money so Faye took a 5287 03:22:26,760 --> 03:22:30,840 job at Midwest Quality gloves 5288 03:22:28,620 --> 03:22:32,760 Corporation over the course of the next 5289 03:22:30,840 --> 03:22:35,880 several years many of Rey's neighbors 5290 03:22:32,760 --> 03:22:37,800 began to loathe him they viewed him as a 5291 03:22:35,879 --> 03:22:39,719 penny-pinching old man and several 5292 03:22:37,799 --> 03:22:42,420 suspected he beat his wife and children 5293 03:22:39,719 --> 03:22:44,699 his wife and kids would verify these 5294 03:22:42,420 --> 03:22:47,100 suspicions many years later 5295 03:22:44,700 --> 03:22:49,260 Rey had a Keen Eye for cattle and he 5296 03:22:47,100 --> 03:22:51,600 knew a good deal when he saw one his 5297 03:22:49,260 --> 03:22:55,200 only problem was he never had any money 5298 03:22:51,600 --> 03:22:58,380 as the old saying goes it takes money to 5299 03:22:55,200 --> 03:23:00,540 make money so by the early 1970s Rey 5300 03:22:58,379 --> 03:23:02,818 began working out the details of his new 5301 03:23:00,540 --> 03:23:05,399 plan he knew he could not continue 5302 03:23:02,818 --> 03:23:07,439 writing bad checks he never got away 5303 03:23:05,398 --> 03:23:10,019 with it in the past and the last thing 5304 03:23:07,439 --> 03:23:12,238 he wanted was to be sent back to jail 5305 03:23:10,020 --> 03:23:14,279 his arrest record was long enough and 5306 03:23:12,238 --> 03:23:17,760 another arrest could send him away for a 5307 03:23:14,279 --> 03:23:20,040 substantial period of time no he knew he 5308 03:23:17,760 --> 03:23:21,779 could not risk doing that himself but 5309 03:23:20,040 --> 03:23:24,720 then he wondered if he could convince 5310 03:23:21,779 --> 03:23:26,939 someone else to do it for him someone no 5311 03:23:24,719 --> 03:23:30,000 one knew and someone who could disappear 5312 03:23:26,939 --> 03:23:32,159 without rousing any suspicion the plan 5313 03:23:30,000 --> 03:23:34,139 needed some work but he was certain he 5314 03:23:32,159 --> 03:23:37,020 had stumbled onto something feasible 5315 03:23:34,139 --> 03:23:38,519 once Rey worked out the details he began 5316 03:23:37,020 --> 03:23:40,979 showing up at cattle auctions with 5317 03:23:38,520 --> 03:23:42,540 hitchhikers and Drifters the two men 5318 03:23:40,978 --> 03:23:44,459 would sit on opposite sides of each 5319 03:23:42,540 --> 03:23:46,200 other during the sales and Rey would 5320 03:23:44,459 --> 03:23:48,839 signal whenever he wanted a particular 5321 03:23:46,200 --> 03:23:50,640 group of livestock when it came time to 5322 03:23:48,840 --> 03:23:52,380 complete the purchase Rey would have the 5323 03:23:50,639 --> 03:23:54,959 man write out a check from Rey's book 5324 03:23:52,379 --> 03:23:57,719 and sign his name to it the check would 5325 03:23:54,959 --> 03:24:00,000 eventually bounce but by then Rey would 5326 03:23:57,719 --> 03:24:01,500 already have sold the cattle when law 5327 03:24:00,000 --> 03:24:03,420 enforcement confronted him about the 5328 03:24:01,500 --> 03:24:04,978 checks Rey would pretend to have no 5329 03:24:03,420 --> 03:24:06,719 knowledge of the sales and would 5330 03:24:04,978 --> 03:24:08,760 Proclaim his innocence by pointing out 5331 03:24:06,719 --> 03:24:11,459 the signatures on the checks were not in 5332 03:24:08,760 --> 03:24:14,040 his handwriting hey events no charges 5333 03:24:11,459 --> 03:24:16,559 could be filed against him the scam was 5334 03:24:14,040 --> 03:24:18,899 not very sophisticated but surprisingly 5335 03:24:16,559 --> 03:24:20,939 he was able to pull it off dozens of 5336 03:24:18,898 --> 03:24:23,219 times Rey used several different 5337 03:24:20,939 --> 03:24:26,279 Drifters and all of them would disappear 5338 03:24:23,219 --> 03:24:29,278 after the sales Rey felt it formulated 5339 03:24:26,279 --> 03:24:30,659 the perfect plan but he did not count on 5340 03:24:29,279 --> 03:24:32,880 the determination of local law 5341 03:24:30,659 --> 03:24:35,100 enforcement to prove his involvement in 5342 03:24:32,879 --> 03:24:36,839 the cattle scams investigators 5343 03:24:35,100 --> 03:24:40,140 eventually caught up with one of The 5344 03:24:36,840 --> 03:24:41,880 Drifters the man Gerald Perkins was 5345 03:24:40,139 --> 03:24:43,680 cooperative with detectives and he 5346 03:24:41,879 --> 03:24:46,438 provided them with a detailed account of 5347 03:24:43,680 --> 03:24:48,659 Rey's schemes Rey was quickly arrested 5348 03:24:46,439 --> 03:24:51,238 and ended up serving almost two years in 5349 03:24:48,659 --> 03:24:53,639 jail for check forgery after his release 5350 03:24:51,238 --> 03:24:56,340 from prison Ray managed to stay out of 5351 03:24:53,639 --> 03:24:58,738 trouble for several years he still felt 5352 03:24:56,340 --> 03:25:01,620 his plan was successful if in need of 5353 03:24:58,738 --> 03:25:04,379 some minor adjustments by the mid-1980s 5354 03:25:01,620 --> 03:25:07,079 Rey had fine-tuned his last scheme and 5355 03:25:04,379 --> 03:25:08,759 was eagerly putting it into operation he 5356 03:25:07,079 --> 03:25:10,500 would still use Drifters the only 5357 03:25:08,760 --> 03:25:12,380 difference being he would not not have 5358 03:25:10,500 --> 03:25:14,639 them write checks from his account 5359 03:25:12,379 --> 03:25:16,920 instead he would have them get a post 5360 03:25:14,639 --> 03:25:18,840 office box and open an account in their 5361 03:25:16,920 --> 03:25:20,639 own name and have them write checks from 5362 03:25:18,840 --> 03:25:23,159 their own account at various livestock 5363 03:25:20,639 --> 03:25:25,019 auctions Rey would explain this to them 5364 03:25:23,159 --> 03:25:27,840 by saying the auctioneers disliked him 5365 03:25:25,020 --> 03:25:29,939 and would not give him a fair shake once 5366 03:25:27,840 --> 03:25:32,279 The Drifter wore out his welcome Rey 5367 03:25:29,939 --> 03:25:35,939 would see to it that he disappeared for 5368 03:25:32,279 --> 03:25:38,640 good on November 1st 1990 69 year old 5369 03:25:35,939 --> 03:25:39,720 Faye Copeland went to trial according to 5370 03:25:38,639 --> 03:25:42,299 articles in the Saint Louis 5371 03:25:39,719 --> 03:25:43,619 Post-Dispatch face defense was that her 5372 03:25:42,299 --> 03:25:46,199 husband had committed the killings 5373 03:25:43,620 --> 03:25:48,359 without her knowledge she claimed she 5374 03:25:46,200 --> 03:25:50,819 was both a bystander and a victim of 5375 03:25:48,359 --> 03:25:52,979 battered woman syndrome as evidence of 5376 03:25:50,818 --> 03:25:55,139 her guilt prosecutors presented the list 5377 03:25:52,978 --> 03:25:57,599 and quilt discovered during a search of 5378 03:25:55,139 --> 03:26:00,358 the farm the jury found her guilty of 5379 03:25:57,600 --> 03:26:02,220 five counts of first-degree murder the 5380 03:26:00,359 --> 03:26:04,439 judge sentenced her to death by lethal 5381 03:26:02,219 --> 03:26:06,599 injection for four of the counts and 5382 03:26:04,439 --> 03:26:08,579 life without parole for the fifth upon 5383 03:26:06,600 --> 03:26:11,399 hearing her sentence Faye Copeland 5384 03:26:08,579 --> 03:26:13,680 sobbed uncontrolled probably the morning 5385 03:26:11,398 --> 03:26:15,000 after phase verdict a sheriff involved 5386 03:26:13,680 --> 03:26:17,100 in the case was transporting Ray 5387 03:26:15,000 --> 03:26:19,439 Copeland to a Kansas City Hospital for 5388 03:26:17,100 --> 03:26:21,540 another mental examination during the 5389 03:26:19,439 --> 03:26:23,939 trip the sheriff began questioning Rey 5390 03:26:21,540 --> 03:26:27,899 about Faye's trial you hear about the 5391 03:26:23,939 --> 03:26:29,279 verdict Ray now what happened well they 5392 03:26:27,898 --> 03:26:32,579 found her guilty and recommended 5393 03:26:29,279 --> 03:26:36,060 execution for her Ray well those things 5394 03:26:32,579 --> 03:26:39,379 happen to some you know he responded Rey 5395 03:26:36,059 --> 03:26:42,898 never asked about Faye again on March 7 5396 03:26:39,379 --> 03:26:45,478 1991 76 year old Ray Copeland went to 5397 03:26:42,898 --> 03:26:46,858 trial after weeks of testimony and the 5398 03:26:45,478 --> 03:26:49,079 admittance of the prosecution's 5399 03:26:46,859 --> 03:26:51,000 ballistic test results a jury of his 5400 03:26:49,079 --> 03:26:53,279 peers found him guilty on all five 5401 03:26:51,000 --> 03:26:55,079 counts of first-degree murder he was 5402 03:26:53,279 --> 03:26:57,899 then sentenced to death by lethal 5403 03:26:55,079 --> 03:27:00,180 injection upon hearing the verdict Rey 5404 03:26:57,898 --> 03:27:02,579 simply mumbled I'm okay 5405 03:27:00,180 --> 03:27:04,380 Ray and Faye Copeland became the oldest 5406 03:27:02,579 --> 03:27:06,959 couple in American history ever 5407 03:27:04,379 --> 03:27:08,818 sentenced to death two years later while 5408 03:27:06,959 --> 03:27:11,039 awaiting execution at the Potosi 5409 03:27:08,818 --> 03:27:13,738 Correctional Center 78 year old Ray 5410 03:27:11,040 --> 03:27:15,300 Copeland died to this day many 5411 03:27:13,738 --> 03:27:17,398 investigators believe Rey was 5412 03:27:15,299 --> 03:27:20,699 responsible for other murders which have 5413 03:27:17,398 --> 03:27:23,039 yet to be discovered on August 6 1999 5414 03:27:20,700 --> 03:27:25,140 U.S District Judge Orchard Smith 5415 03:27:23,040 --> 03:27:27,300 overturned the death sentence for 78 5416 03:27:25,139 --> 03:27:29,639 year old Faye Copeland Faye's attorney 5417 03:27:27,299 --> 03:27:31,858 was quoted by the Columbia Daily Tribune 5418 03:27:29,639 --> 03:27:34,318 as saying the evidence of phased guilt 5419 03:27:31,859 --> 03:27:36,359 was pretty thin they just happened to be 5420 03:27:34,318 --> 03:27:39,299 there she worked in the greenhouse at 5421 03:27:36,359 --> 03:27:42,000 the prison every day she wouldn't hurt a 5422 03:27:39,299 --> 03:27:43,799 fly I think you can ask the warden and 5423 03:27:42,000 --> 03:27:45,379 he would say he could open the door and 5424 03:27:43,799 --> 03:27:47,938 there wouldn't be a danger to anybody 5425 03:27:45,379 --> 03:27:49,500 Faye's attorney filed the appeal because 5426 03:27:47,939 --> 03:27:51,120 the Livingston County jury that 5427 03:27:49,500 --> 03:27:52,920 convicted her was not allowed to hear 5428 03:27:51,120 --> 03:27:55,079 evidence of battered women's syndrome 5429 03:27:52,920 --> 03:27:57,000 even though the death penalty was no 5430 03:27:55,079 --> 03:27:58,978 longer an issue the judge allowed her 5431 03:27:57,000 --> 03:28:00,898 murder convictions to stand and she was 5432 03:27:58,978 --> 03:28:03,000 ordered to remain in prison for the rest 5433 03:28:00,898 --> 03:28:04,379 of her life several women's activist 5434 03:28:03,000 --> 03:28:06,420 groups began to protest phase 5435 03:28:04,379 --> 03:28:08,579 imprisonment claiming she had suffered 5436 03:28:06,420 --> 03:28:11,159 enough and that she presented no threat 5437 03:28:08,579 --> 03:28:13,559 to society but their requests to commute 5438 03:28:11,159 --> 03:28:16,139 her sentence to time served fell upon 5439 03:28:13,559 --> 03:28:18,359 deaf ears two weeks after her sentencing 5440 03:28:16,139 --> 03:28:20,219 Faye Copeland gave a rare interview to 5441 03:28:18,359 --> 03:28:22,620 Lee Kavanaugh of the Kansas City Star 5442 03:28:20,219 --> 03:28:25,139 the following are excerpts from that 5443 03:28:22,620 --> 03:28:27,779 interview I couldn't have flowers at 5444 03:28:25,139 --> 03:28:30,778 home he didn't like me to be tending to 5445 03:28:27,779 --> 03:28:32,939 anything other than him as long as I was 5446 03:28:30,779 --> 03:28:37,680 with him or working the cattle or the 5447 03:28:32,939 --> 03:28:40,620 tractor that was okay but flowers no he 5448 03:28:37,680 --> 03:28:43,439 didn't like them I was raised to love my 5449 03:28:40,620 --> 03:28:46,560 husband and support him no matter what 5450 03:28:43,439 --> 03:28:49,260 the man is the head of the family the 5451 03:28:46,559 --> 03:28:51,539 Bible says it should be that way it 5452 03:28:49,260 --> 03:28:55,380 wouldn't do to say if Rey was mean to me 5453 03:28:51,540 --> 03:28:57,239 or not yes he did mess up my life but 5454 03:28:55,379 --> 03:29:00,119 that's not to say that I wasn't a good 5455 03:28:57,238 --> 03:29:02,939 wife to him I was never mean to him 5456 03:29:00,120 --> 03:29:04,800 maybe we'd have got along better if I'd 5457 03:29:02,939 --> 03:29:08,398 knock the out of him a few times 5458 03:29:04,799 --> 03:29:11,579 I've often thought since maybe this was 5459 03:29:08,398 --> 03:29:14,278 for the best where did I go wrong if I 5460 03:29:11,579 --> 03:29:17,159 went wrong I know one place was getting 5461 03:29:14,279 --> 03:29:20,640 married at all but he was my life for 5462 03:29:17,159 --> 03:29:24,238 many many years I didn't know anything 5463 03:29:20,639 --> 03:29:28,619 else will I get out I may go out feet 5464 03:29:24,238 --> 03:29:31,318 first but I'll get out of here someday 5465 03:29:28,620 --> 03:29:34,200 in November of 2000 Missouri attorney 5466 03:29:31,318 --> 03:29:36,238 general Jay Nixon appealed judge Smith's 5467 03:29:34,200 --> 03:29:38,579 ruling and asked the eighth Circuit 5468 03:29:36,238 --> 03:29:40,859 Court of Appeals to reinstate Faye's 5469 03:29:38,579 --> 03:29:43,500 death sentence but the federal appeals 5470 03:29:40,859 --> 03:29:45,659 court upheld the decision they remained 5471 03:29:43,500 --> 03:29:47,639 quiet during most of the proceedings but 5472 03:29:45,659 --> 03:29:50,879 when asked if she had anything to say 5473 03:29:47,639 --> 03:29:53,939 she stood up stating at that hearing I 5474 03:29:50,879 --> 03:29:56,879 think I've paid for what I did or what I 5475 03:29:53,939 --> 03:30:01,318 knew God will forgive me for anything 5476 03:29:56,879 --> 03:30:03,358 I've said or done afterward face son Al 5477 03:30:01,318 --> 03:30:05,459 Copeland spoke briefly with the 5478 03:30:03,359 --> 03:30:07,260 Associated Press and said he had been 5479 03:30:05,459 --> 03:30:09,659 pressing for his mother's release since 5480 03:30:07,260 --> 03:30:11,340 she was imprisoned there's no way in the 5481 03:30:09,659 --> 03:30:14,100 world mom could have done what they said 5482 03:30:11,340 --> 03:30:17,700 she had done he said but in regards to 5483 03:30:14,100 --> 03:30:20,340 his father Al said he was guilty I have 5484 03:30:17,700 --> 03:30:22,680 no qualms about that the following month 5485 03:30:20,340 --> 03:30:25,260 Tom and Janette block founders of 5486 03:30:22,680 --> 03:30:27,898 missourians against State killing or 5487 03:30:25,260 --> 03:30:30,359 mask began fighting to have Fey released 5488 03:30:27,898 --> 03:30:31,978 from prison they desperately sought The 5489 03:30:30,359 --> 03:30:34,559 public's help and requested that people 5490 03:30:31,978 --> 03:30:36,478 send letters of support for Faye during 5491 03:30:34,559 --> 03:30:38,398 this time this author contacted the 5492 03:30:36,478 --> 03:30:41,039 group and later received the following 5493 03:30:38,398 --> 03:30:42,898 reply while we're grateful that Faye is 5494 03:30:41,040 --> 03:30:44,580 out of danger of execution we're 5495 03:30:42,898 --> 03:30:46,799 disappointed that she will remain in 5496 03:30:44,579 --> 03:30:48,600 prison for the rest of her life we have 5497 03:30:46,799 --> 03:30:50,759 an application for clemency pending 5498 03:30:48,600 --> 03:30:53,100 before Governor Wilson asking that he 5499 03:30:50,760 --> 03:30:55,620 commute her sentence to time served I've 5500 03:30:53,100 --> 03:30:57,420 attached a copy of the petition anyone 5501 03:30:55,620 --> 03:30:59,220 interested in helping could write and 5502 03:30:57,420 --> 03:31:02,579 urge the governor to grant our petition 5503 03:30:59,219 --> 03:31:05,398 thanks for your support Sean D O'Brien 5504 03:31:02,579 --> 03:31:08,520 public interest litigation clinic on 5505 03:31:05,398 --> 03:31:10,019 August 10 2002 Faye Copeland suffered a 5506 03:31:08,520 --> 03:31:12,720 stroke which left her partially 5507 03:31:10,020 --> 03:31:14,819 paralyzed and unable to speak weeks 5508 03:31:12,719 --> 03:31:17,519 later she was paroled to a nursing home 5509 03:31:14,818 --> 03:31:20,699 in her hometown the following year on 5510 03:31:17,520 --> 03:31:22,738 December 30th 2003 82 year old Faye 5511 03:31:20,700 --> 03:31:24,899 Copeland died at the Morningside Center 5512 03:31:22,738 --> 03:31:27,478 Nursing home from what Livingston County 5513 03:31:24,898 --> 03:31:30,778 Coroner's Scott Lindsay described as 5514 03:31:27,478 --> 03:31:35,599 natural causes they finally gain freedom 5515 03:31:30,779 --> 03:31:35,600 even if it was beat first 5516 03:31:38,010 --> 03:31:41,969 [Music] 5517 03:31:40,079 --> 03:32:22,238 foreign 5518 03:31:41,969 --> 03:32:22,238 [Music] 5519 03:32:25,279 --> 03:32:37,299 thank you 5520 03:32:27,120 --> 03:32:37,299 [Music] 421730

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