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Richard Trenton Chase had a thing for
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blood he also had a fear of
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disintegrating he would hold oranges on
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his head believing vitamin C would be
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absorbed by his brain via diffusion
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Chase also believed that his cranial
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bones had become separated and were
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moving around so he shaved his head to
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be able to watch this activity born May
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23 1950 he liked to set fires as a child
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and to torment animals he had a sister
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four years younger and his father was a
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strict disciplinarian who bickered
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constantly with his wife by the time
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Richard was 10 he was killing cats as a
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teenager he dranked and smoked marijuana
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getting into trouble several times but
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showing no shame over it he dated
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several girls one of whom reported that
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Rick was unable to perform sexually
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because he could not keep an erection
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this problem bothered him and when he
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was 18 he went to see a psychiatrist he
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learned that a root cause of impotence
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was repressed anger the psychiatrist
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also thought he might be suffering from
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from a major Mental Illness but did not
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suggest he be committed after he moved
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out of his parents home he went through
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a series of Roommates many of whom
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reported his bizarre behavior and heavy
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drug use even the few friends he had
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considered him weird once he nailed shut
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his bedroom closet door because people
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were invading his space from in there he
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was preoccupied with any sign that
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something was wrong with him which held
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true throughout his adult life and he
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once entered an emergency room looking
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for the person who had stolen his
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pulmonary artery he also complained that
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the bones were coming out through the
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back of his head that his stomach was
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backward and that his heart often
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stopped beating another psychiatrist
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diagnosed him as paranoid schizophrenic
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but thought he might actually be
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suffering from drug induced toxic
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psychosis he was put under observation
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for 72 hours and it was recommended that
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he stay but he was allowed to leave
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whenever he wanted without obtaining
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permission eventually he was released
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his life grew increasingly slovenly and
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he submersed into hypochondria and drug
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abuse he was five foot eleven and
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weighed only 145 pounds he lived with
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his mother for a while now divorced but
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believed he was being poisoned his
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father made him move out and got him an
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apartment Chase soon began to kill and
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disembowel rabbits that he either caught
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or bought and to eat their entrails raw
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sometimes he would put the intestines
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with the animal's blood into a blender
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liquefy them and drink this concoction
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in an effort to keep his heart from
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shrinking to the point of disappearing
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from his body he once injected rapid
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blood into his veins and got very ill he
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believed this rabbit had ingested
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battery acid that had seeped into his
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stomach but in fact he had a bad case of
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blood poisoning finally he was committed
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as a schizophrenic suffering from
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somatic delusions the doctors tried
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antipsychotic medications which failed
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to work indicating that his psychosis
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may have been precipitated by his drug
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abuse in 1976 he escaped and showed up
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at his mother's house he was returned to
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the hospital ending up up at Beverly
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Manor a facility for mental patients
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where he earned the nickname Dracula he
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often spoke about killing rabbits and
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one day he was found with blood around
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his mouth two dead birds their necks
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broken lay outside his window the
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classic Renfield syndrome eventually he
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was released and deemed no longer danger
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to anyone that's what they believed
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anyway his parents were granted A
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conservatorship Renewed annually and his
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mother paid his rent and shopped for his
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groceries Chase moved into another
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apartment and began to catch and torture
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cats dogs and rabbits he killed them to
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drink their blood sometimes he stole
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neighborhood pets and once he even
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called a family whose dog was missing to
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tell them what he had done to the animal
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he bought guns and started to practice
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with them although he was on psychiatric
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medication he remained unsupervised his
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mother weaned him from the medications
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herself deciding that he did not really
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need them in 1977 the court awarded
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conservatorship expired and his parents
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did nothing to renew it leaving Chase on
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his own one day he paid his mother a
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visit she heard a loud noise and opened
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the door to see her son holding a dead
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cat he threw the animal to the ground
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and tore it open smearing the blood all
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over his face and neck his mother failed
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to act and never reported the incident
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on August 3rd that same year police
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officers found Chase's Ford Ranchero
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stuck in sand near Pyramid Lake in
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Nevada two rifles lay on the seat along
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with a pile of men's clothing blood
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smears on the inside and a blood-filled
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white plastic bucket containing a liver
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made them suspicious when they spotted
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Chase through binoculars he was nude and
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covered in blood he saw them and ran but
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they caught up with them and took him
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back to his pickup he claimed that the
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blood was his it had seeped out of him
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the liver it turned out was from a cow
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Chase soon became a fan of the Hillside
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Strangler operating not far away and he
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avidly read the newspaper articles about
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the killings he had guns it fear of
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other people and he had no sense of
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boundaries a lethal combination even
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without his weird blood fantasies soon
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he grew Bolder it was December 29 1977
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the man's name was Ambrose Griffin he
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was 51 an engineer and the father of two
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sons he had been yelling at something or
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someone his wife reported to homicide
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cops in the emergency room and he turned
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and just dropped right there in front of
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her she'd heard two odd popping noises
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but had given them no thought they had
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just returned from a shopping trip and
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Mrs Griffin had opened the trunk of the
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car and taken out the bag of potatoes
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her husband had followed with two sacks
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of groceries and had been on his way
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back to the car when he had dropped
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presumably from a heart attack soon she
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would learn a more horrifying truth her
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husband had been shot in some sort of
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random drive-by attack one of the
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Griffin boys reported having seen a man
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with a rifle walking around in their
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East Sacramento neighborhood they tailed
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him and they called the police but it
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turned out not to be their man his gun
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was not the 22 caliber murder weapon the
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following day a noose crew found two
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spent shell casings on the pavement near
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the Griffin residence detectives
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followed up on reports of a suspicious
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car driving around the neighborhood but
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could get no clear description on the
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afternoon of the Griffin shooting a
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12-year-old boy reported that a man with
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brown hair seemingly in his 20s had shot
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at him from a brown Pontiac Trans Am as
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he rode his bike he was put under
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hypnosis and recalled a license plate
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number 219 Eep it led nowhere routine
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police work turned up a report from a
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woman who said that a shot had been
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fired into her home on December 27th she
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lived only a few blocks from the
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Griffins a search of her kitchen
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produced a 22 caliber Slug it proved to
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have been fired from the same gun that
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had killed Ambrose Griffin at that point
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All Leads dried up on January the 11th
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1978 Don Larson had a strange encounter
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with Chase during the six months that
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they had been Neighbors in the same East
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Sacramento apartment complex on Watt
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Avenue she had seen him carry three
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animals into his apartment against the
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rules but had never seen those animals
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again she thought him odd but worried
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that he was lonely he asked her for a
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cigarette she gave him one but he
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stopped her from walking away when she
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gave him the rest of the pack he let her
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go nearly two weeks later on the 23rd at
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2909 Bernice Street Gene Layton spotted
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an unkempt young man with longish hair
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strolling toward her she watched as he
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tried her patio door found it locked and
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went to the windows they too were locked
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so he came back to the door Mrs Layton
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met him there face to face he showed no
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emotion whatsoever as he scrutinized her
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then he turned paused to light a
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cigarette and walked away through her
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backyard down the street Robert and
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Barbara Edwards were bringing their
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groceries into the house when they heard
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a noise outside whoever was in there
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apparently heard them and started to run
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they heard a window Slam at the back of
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the house and then oddly a disheveled
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young man came around the corner toward
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them though Edwards tried to stop him he
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sprinted past and got out into the
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street Edwards gave Chase but lost him
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when he jumped a fence the police
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arrived to find the house in shambles
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with theft of valuables the obvious
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motive however he had also urinated into
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a drawer of freshly laundered baby's
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clothing and it defecated on a child's
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bed the Intruder kept going veering off
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his path here and there to walk across
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the front porches of random houses then
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he came to a tract house at 2360 Tioga
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way FBI agent Robert Ressler once asked
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Chase how he selected his victims he
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said that he went down the streets
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testing doors to find one that was
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unlocked if the door was locked he said
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that means you're not welcome apparently
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he found the door at the wall in home
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unlocked he encountered Theresa Wallen
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22 and three months pregnant before
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entering Chase deposited a 22 caliber
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bullet in the mailbox he opened the door
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and ran into Terry as she was taking out
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the garbage she dropped the bag as he
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raised his pistol and shot her twice one
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bullet entered her Palm held up
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defensively and traveled upper arm to
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exit out of her elbow and Nick her neck
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the other went through the top part of
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her skull she fell and chased then knelt
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over her prostate body firing another
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bullet into her Temple his next move was
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to drag her into the bedroom leaving a
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trail of blood behind he then retrieved
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a knife from the kitchen and an empty
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yogurt container from the trash bag that
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Terry had been carrying when David
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Wallen came home that night at six he
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found the house dark he entered and saw
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their dog a German Shepherd waiting
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outside but his wife was nowhere to be
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found oddly the stereo was on a bag of
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trash and what appeared to be oil stains
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on the carpet troubled him he followed
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the stains to the bedroom then he began
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to scream his wife laid just inside the
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door on her back her sweater was pulled
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up over her breasts and her pants and
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underwear down around her ankles her
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left Apple was carved off her torso cut
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open below the sternum and her spleen
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and intestines pulled out Chase had
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stabbed her repeatedly in the lung liver
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diaphragm and left breast he also had
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cut out her kidneys and severed her
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pancreas in two he placed the kidneys
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together back inside her there was blood
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in the bathroom and it was later learned
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that chase had smeared Terry's blood all
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over his face and hands licking it off
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his fingers the discarded yogurt
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container near her body was also
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blood-stained as if he had used it to
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drink her blood the most heinous act
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however was to stuff animal feces into
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her mouth there were odd rings of blood
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around the body as if someone had placed
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a bucket there two days later a puppy
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was found killed and mutilated not far
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from the Wallen home a strange man with
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stringy hair and driving a Ranchero had
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bought two puppies from the family with
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seemingly no concern whether he got
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males or females and then they found one
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of the puppies from the litter dead on
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January 27th Evelyn muroth 38 was
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babysitting her 20 month old nephew in
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her home one mile from the wall in
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Residence her 51 year old friend Dan
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Meredith came over Evelyn was about to
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send her son Jason 6 to a friend's house
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and when Jason failed to arrive the
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friend sent her daughter over to check a
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little girl saw movement inside from the
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front window and then turned around to
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report that no one had answered the door
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neighbors grew worried and one finally
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entered the house and saw what had
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happened that morning Danny Meredith lay
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in the hallway in a pool of blood the
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deputy who checked him saw gunshot wound
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on his head and then saw blood in the
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bathroom and what looked like bloody
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water in the tub then he found Evelyn
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lying naked on the bed in her bedroom
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her legs splayed open she had a gunshot
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wound to her head and her abdomen had
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been cut open and her intestines pulled
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out two carving knives stained red lay
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nearby it appeared that she had been
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taking a bath when surprised by her
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killer and then dragged to the bed he
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sodomized her stabbed her through the
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anus into her uterus at least six times
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made several slices across her neck and
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tried to cut out an eye bloody ringlets
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on the carpet indicated he had once
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again used some kind of container to
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collect blood he stabbed several
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internal organs as well which the
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coroner later noted would facilitate
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getting at blood in the abdomen on the
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other side of the bed police officers
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discovered the body of a boy who turned
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out to be Jason he had been shot twice
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in the head at close range the Intruder
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had left bloody Footprints behind which
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resembled the shoe marks found at the
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Wallen murder scene then they located an
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11 year old girl in the neighborhood Who
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described the man near the victim's
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residence around 11 o'clock she
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described him in his early twenties he
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fit the description of a man seen
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repeatedly in that area walking around
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asking people for magazines Dan
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Meredith's red station wagon was missing
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from the front of the house where
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neighbors had seen it parked that
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morning then Karen Ferreira arrived
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seeking the whereabouts of her son David
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left with her sister-in-law Evelyn that
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morning no one had seen him but a bullet
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hole was discovered in the pillow that
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had been in a crib there was a lot of
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blood it later turned out that chase had
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drunk Evelyn's blood and had mutilated
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the baby's body in the bathroom a knock
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on the door must have interrupted him
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and he had fled with the body as the
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police looked for him he took the baby
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to his home and severed the head he
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removed several organs and consumed them
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it seemed to chase that he would get
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away with this brutal series of murders
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but he did not realize how quickly the
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police were closing in Meredith's
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station wagon was found abandoned not
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far from the murder scene the keys still
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in it there was little hope that the
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baby was still alive the police did not
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know it but the parking lot where they
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located the missing car was only about
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100 yards from apartment 15 of the Watt
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Avenue complex where Richard Trenton
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Chase lived the FBI was already on the
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case Robert Ressler and Russ vorpagel
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developed a profile of who they were
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probably looking for they figured him
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for a disorganized killer as opposed to
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an organized one with some Clues
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pointing toward the possibility of
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psychosis he clearly had not planned
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these crimes and did little to hide or
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destroy evidence he left Footprints and
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fingerprints and had probably walked
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around in daylight with blood on his
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clothing in other words words he gave
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little thought to the consequences at
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the very least his domicile would be as
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sloppy as the places he ransacked after
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he was finished with them and the fact
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that the murder scenes were fairly close
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together meant he might not have a car
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in fact he'd taken a car from one house
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so he must have walked to that one at
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least that meant it was likely that he
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lived in the vicinity of the crimes it
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was also likely that he would kill again
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and keep on killing until he was caught
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they had to work fast they figured him
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to be a white male in his mid-20s thin
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and undernourished evidence of the
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crimes they were sure would be found in
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his residence and if he had a vehicle in
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there as well he either would have a
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history of medical illness or drug use
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or both and he would be something of a
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loner they thought he was probably
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employed at some menial labor or
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unemployed given his apparent state of
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mind and could be receiving some
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disability money he probably lived alone
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he might be paranoid many people were
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questioned around the area and summons
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seen a white male driving a red station
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wagon although the police artist tried
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to make a sketch few of the descriptions
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were helpful except for that of a young
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woman on the same day that Robert
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Edwards had chased the Intruder away
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from his home on Bernice Street Nancy
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Holden had had an odd encounter she was
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shopping in the Town and Country Village
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shopping center not far from Watt Avenue
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and close to the wall in Residence when
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she saw a strange man approaching her
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who appeared to be confused she tried to
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avoid him but he directed a question at
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her were you on the motorcycle when Kurt
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was killed he asked Nancy was startled
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ten years earlier she had dated a boy
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named Kurt who had been killed on a
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motorcycle it was then that she noticed
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something Vaguely Familiar about this
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interrogator she asked him who he was
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and he replied Rick Chase she was
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astonished this man before her was
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nothing like the studious clean-cut Rick
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chase that she had known in high school
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she had heard he'd gotten into drugs and
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looking at him now she realized those
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rumors were true
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he was grimy and stained and his
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agitated manner made her nervous she
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talked with him for a few minutes
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seeking a way out and finally got out of
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the store while he was still paying for
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something however he followed her into
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the parking lot intent on getting a ride
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she managed to get into her car roll up
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the windows lock the doors and pull out
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before he could stop her she knew she'd
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been rude but she just wanted to get
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away after viewing the police sketch of
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a disheveled man seen in the
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neighborhood wearing an orange ski parka
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and recalling the chase War one that day
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the same color she was sure this was the
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man the police were seeking they also
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got another clue from the gun
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registration of a 22 caliber
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semi-automatic handgun sold in December
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1977 to a Richard Chase on Watt Avenue
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on January 10th he had purchased
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ammunition then Don Larson watching the
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news recalled her strange neighbor she'd
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seen a large map of Sacramento on his
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wall marked with black ink however she
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was afraid to make an enemy by
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supporting him after hearing from Holden
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five days after the wall and murder the
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detectives ran a background check on
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Chase and found a history of mental
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illness including his escape from a
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hospital a concealed weapons charge a
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series of minor drug busts and his
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arrest in Nevada they found his address
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on Watt Avenue and went out that
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Saturday afternoon one day after the
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triple murder to check it out they
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learned from the apartment manager that
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Chase's mother paid his rent and that
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she felt her son was the victim of LSD
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abuse Chase refused to let his mother
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into his apartment the detectives
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knocked repeatedly but Chase would not
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open the door they pretended they were
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going to leave and then waited Chase
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emerged with a box in his arms and made
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his way towards his car the detectives
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apprehended him but not without a mighty
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struggle on his part they noticed he was
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wearing an orange parka that had dark
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stains on it and his shoes appeared to
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be covered in blood a 22 semi-automatic
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handgun was taken from him which also
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had blood stains on it then they found
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Dan Meredith's wallet in Chase's back
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pocket along with a pair of latex gloves
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the contents of the box he was carrying
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also proved interesting pieces of
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blood-stained paper and Rags they took
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him to the police station and tried to
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get him to confess he admitted to
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killing several dogs but stubbornly
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resisted talking about the murders while
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he was in custody detectives searched
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his apartment in hopes of finding a clue
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about the missing baby what they found
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in the putrid smelling place was
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disgusting nearly everything was Blood
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Stained including food and drinking
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glasses in the kitchen they found
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several pieces of bone and some dishes
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in the refrigerator with body parts one
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container held human brain tissue an
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electric blender was badly stained and
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smelled of rot there were three pet
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collars but no animals to be found
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photographic overlays on human organs
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from a science book lay on a table along
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with newspapers on which ads selling
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dogs were circled a calendar showed the
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inscription today on the dates of the
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Wallen and miroth murders and chillingly
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the same word was written on 44 more
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dates yet to come during that year the
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entire Place had an ominous feeling but
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at least Chase was now in custody
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evidence was gathered from Chase to
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compare to samples already being
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analyzed in the crime lab from the
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murder victims there was plenty of blood
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on Chase's clothing and they also took
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hair samples however when they tried to
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take a blood sample he had to be
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restrained they had no idea then of his
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intense Primal Fear of losing his blood
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Paris salami was appointed Chase's
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attorney and he was immediately
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separated from the detectives who had
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spent so much time trying to extract a
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confession police officers continued to
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search for the baby using a bloodhound
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they even went to chase his mother's
544
00:20:04,679 --> 00:20:09,298
home and she was uncooperative insisting
545
00:20:07,319 --> 00:20:11,279
that despite what they had found it did
546
00:20:09,298 --> 00:20:13,980
not prove that her son had done anything
547
00:20:11,279 --> 00:20:15,599
at one point Chase admitted to another
548
00:20:13,980 --> 00:20:17,099
inmate that he had drunk the blood of
549
00:20:15,599 --> 00:20:19,558
his victims because he had blood
550
00:20:17,099 --> 00:20:21,178
poisoning he needed blood and he had
551
00:20:19,558 --> 00:20:24,538
grown tired of hunting and killing
552
00:20:21,179 --> 00:20:27,240
animals finally the baby was found on
553
00:20:24,538 --> 00:20:29,038
March 24th a church janitor Came Upon a
554
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:31,679
box containing the remains of a male
555
00:20:29,038 --> 00:20:34,200
baby he called the police when they
556
00:20:31,679 --> 00:20:36,059
arrived they recognized the clothing it
557
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:38,700
was the missing boy from the miroth home
558
00:20:36,058 --> 00:20:40,740
the baby had been decapitated and the
559
00:20:38,700 --> 00:20:43,140
head lay underneath the Torso which was
560
00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:45,179
partially mummified a hole in the center
561
00:20:43,140 --> 00:20:47,280
of the head indicated the child had been
562
00:20:45,179 --> 00:20:49,440
shot there were several other stab
563
00:20:47,279 --> 00:20:50,160
wounds to the body and several ribs were
564
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,798
broken
565
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:55,200
beneath the body 2 was a ring of keys
566
00:20:52,798 --> 00:20:57,660
that fit Dan Meredith's now impounded
567
00:20:55,200 --> 00:21:00,120
Carr the lead prosecutor for the case of
568
00:20:57,660 --> 00:21:02,759
California vs Richard Trenton Chase was
569
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:05,038
Ronald W Tuckerman he intended to seek
570
00:21:02,759 --> 00:21:07,200
the death penalty the defense entered a
571
00:21:05,038 --> 00:21:09,119
plea of Not Guilty by reason of insanity
572
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,500
but talkederman was determined to show
573
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,538
that he knew the difference between
574
00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:15,119
right and wrong and that he was not
575
00:21:12,538 --> 00:21:17,038
compelled to murder part of his strategy
576
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,619
included boning up on the legends of
577
00:21:17,038 --> 00:21:21,779
Dracula he also read about blood-related
578
00:21:19,619 --> 00:21:23,519
crimes and blood rituals in various
579
00:21:21,779 --> 00:21:25,619
cultures noting that some people
580
00:21:23,519 --> 00:21:28,200
believed that ingesting another person's
581
00:21:25,619 --> 00:21:29,939
blood would strengthen or heal them he
582
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,580
wanted to show that while this might be
583
00:21:29,940 --> 00:21:34,980
a belief it was not a viable reason for
584
00:21:32,579 --> 00:21:37,019
murder a change of venue was requested
585
00:21:34,980 --> 00:21:40,079
given the local notoriety of the case
586
00:21:37,019 --> 00:21:42,720
and the trial was moved 120 miles south
587
00:21:40,079 --> 00:21:44,879
to Santa Clara County by the time it was
588
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:47,159
all over a dozen psychiatrists had
589
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,659
examined Chase he admitted to one that
590
00:21:47,159 --> 00:21:50,700
he was disturbed about killing his
591
00:21:48,659 --> 00:21:52,740
victims and he was afraid they might
592
00:21:50,700 --> 00:21:54,538
come from from the dead there was no
593
00:21:52,740 --> 00:21:56,519
evidence in his admissions that he had
594
00:21:54,538 --> 00:21:59,038
ever felt compelled he simply thought
595
00:21:56,519 --> 00:22:00,779
the blood was therapeutic one
596
00:21:59,038 --> 00:22:02,519
psychiatrist found him to be an
597
00:22:00,779 --> 00:22:04,678
anti-social personality not
598
00:22:02,519 --> 00:22:06,779
schizophrenic his thought proceeds were
599
00:22:04,679 --> 00:22:09,360
not disrupted and he was aware of what
600
00:22:06,779 --> 00:22:13,079
he had done and that it was wrong on
601
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:14,939
January 2nd 1979 the trial began Chase
602
00:22:13,079 --> 00:22:17,399
was charged with six counts of murder
603
00:22:14,940 --> 00:22:19,980
the prosecutor emphasized throughout the
604
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,659
trial the Chase had had a choice and
605
00:22:19,980 --> 00:22:23,159
mentioned several times that he had
606
00:22:21,659 --> 00:22:25,159
brought rubber gloves with him to the
607
00:22:23,159 --> 00:22:28,200
victims homes with the intent of murder
608
00:22:25,159 --> 00:22:30,240
altogether there were 250 prosecution
609
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,759
exhibits the strongest of which were
610
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,740
Chase's gun and Dan Meredith's wallet
611
00:22:32,759 --> 00:22:36,720
found in Chase's pocket the first
612
00:22:34,740 --> 00:22:38,759
witness in a trial that stretched across
613
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,319
four months was David Wallen who
614
00:22:38,759 --> 00:22:41,940
described the scene of horror he had
615
00:22:40,319 --> 00:22:45,418
encountered upon coming home that day
616
00:22:41,940 --> 00:22:47,400
nearly 100 Witnesses followed him Chase
617
00:22:45,419 --> 00:22:49,860
then took the stand in his own defense
618
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:53,580
he looked awful having dropped in weight
619
00:22:49,859 --> 00:22:55,558
to 107 pounds his eyes were sunken and
620
00:22:53,579 --> 00:22:57,000
lusterless he claimed to have been
621
00:22:55,558 --> 00:22:58,918
semi-conscious during the wall and
622
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,659
murder and he described in detail the
623
00:22:58,919 --> 00:23:02,880
way he had been mistreated much of his
624
00:23:00,659 --> 00:23:05,159
life he admitted to drinking wallen's
625
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,200
blood he did not recall much about the
626
00:23:05,159 --> 00:23:08,760
second series of murders but knew that
627
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,159
he had shot the baby in the head and
628
00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:13,319
decapitated it leaving it in a bucket in
629
00:23:11,159 --> 00:23:15,360
the hope of getting more of its blood he
630
00:23:13,319 --> 00:23:17,639
thought the baby was something else but
631
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:19,558
did not elaborate he thought that his
632
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,840
problems stemmed from his inability to
633
00:23:19,558 --> 00:23:24,058
have sex with girls as a teenager and he
634
00:23:21,839 --> 00:23:25,619
said he was sorry for the killings the
635
00:23:24,058 --> 00:23:27,779
defense asked for a verdict of
636
00:23:25,619 --> 00:23:29,519
second-degree murder to spare chase the
637
00:23:27,779 --> 00:23:31,918
death penalty since he was clearly
638
00:23:29,519 --> 00:23:34,079
insane and had never been given proper
639
00:23:31,919 --> 00:23:36,419
help talkterman argued that he was a
640
00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:38,519
sexual sadist a Monster who knew what he
641
00:23:36,419 --> 00:23:41,880
was doing and who could not be salvaged
642
00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:44,099
on May 8 1978 after five hours of
643
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,260
deliberation the jury returned a verdict
644
00:23:44,099 --> 00:23:49,139
of six counts of first-degree murder
645
00:23:46,259 --> 00:23:51,480
during the sanity phase the jury found
646
00:23:49,140 --> 00:23:53,940
Chase legally saying after deliberating
647
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,620
an hour it took them four hours to
648
00:23:53,940 --> 00:23:57,840
decide that chase should die in the gas
649
00:23:55,619 --> 00:24:00,058
chamber at San Quentin penitentiary
650
00:23:57,839 --> 00:24:01,678
while interviewing Killers all over the
651
00:24:00,058 --> 00:24:03,418
country to add information about
652
00:24:01,679 --> 00:24:06,480
criminal psychology to their database
653
00:24:03,419 --> 00:24:07,860
FBI profilers visited Richard Chase and
654
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,440
learned about some of his Oddities
655
00:24:07,859 --> 00:24:13,379
Robert wrestler recounts his encounter
656
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:16,019
in a book whoever fights monsters he
657
00:24:13,380 --> 00:24:18,360
describes how Chase had believed in 1976
658
00:24:16,019 --> 00:24:20,038
that his blood was turning to powder and
659
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,379
that he thus needed blood from other
660
00:24:20,038 --> 00:24:24,419
creatures to replenish it nevertheless
661
00:24:22,380 --> 00:24:26,460
the psychiatrists had released him
662
00:24:24,419 --> 00:24:28,740
despite protests from some of the staff
663
00:24:26,460 --> 00:24:31,380
that he was dangerous from the time he
664
00:24:28,740 --> 00:24:33,599
was arrested in Nevada in August 1977
665
00:24:31,380 --> 00:24:35,220
until the murders began in December
666
00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:37,798
paints a clear picture of a
667
00:24:35,220 --> 00:24:39,960
deteriorating mind it was after that
668
00:24:37,798 --> 00:24:42,179
that he had killed his mother's cat and
669
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,740
bought two dogs to kill he also
670
00:24:42,179 --> 00:24:45,960
tormented a neighborhood Family about
671
00:24:43,740 --> 00:24:48,538
their missing dog he then collected
672
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:51,538
articles on the Hillside Strangler then
673
00:24:48,538 --> 00:24:53,400
in December he acquired gun after the
674
00:24:51,538 --> 00:24:55,319
Griffin killing he bought a newspaper
675
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,538
and kept an editorial page about the
676
00:24:55,319 --> 00:25:00,178
senseless nature of that shooting then
677
00:24:57,538 --> 00:25:01,859
he bought more ammunition he also set a
678
00:25:00,179 --> 00:25:03,780
fire in his neighbor's garage to drive
679
00:25:01,859 --> 00:25:06,178
them from the neighborhood because their
680
00:25:03,779 --> 00:25:07,440
music annoyed him he told a psychiatrist
681
00:25:06,179 --> 00:25:09,360
that the first killing had happened
682
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,640
after his mother would not allow him to
683
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,979
visit for Christmas he was just shooting
684
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,659
his gun out the window of his car that
685
00:25:13,980 --> 00:25:18,360
he had fired shots at other houses
686
00:25:15,659 --> 00:25:21,059
indicated it was not altogether an
687
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,918
accident Chase told the FBI profilers
688
00:25:21,058 --> 00:25:24,778
that he had killed to preserve his own
689
00:25:22,919 --> 00:25:27,360
life and he was developing an appeal
690
00:25:24,778 --> 00:25:29,819
based on that he mentioned soap dish
691
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:32,339
poisoning wrestler asked him what that
692
00:25:29,819 --> 00:25:34,859
was and he explained that everyone has a
693
00:25:32,339 --> 00:25:36,959
soap dish if you lift the soap and find
694
00:25:34,859 --> 00:25:39,240
that underneath it's dry you're all
695
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,038
right if it's gooey you have the
696
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,140
poisoning which turns your blood to
697
00:25:41,038 --> 00:25:45,778
powder the powder then depletes your
698
00:25:43,140 --> 00:25:47,940
energy and eats away at your body Chase
699
00:25:45,778 --> 00:25:50,038
also said that he was Jewish which he
700
00:25:47,940 --> 00:25:52,259
was not and that he'd been persecuted by
701
00:25:50,038 --> 00:25:54,298
Nazis because he had a star of David on
702
00:25:52,259 --> 00:25:55,980
his forehead which he didn't he
703
00:25:54,298 --> 00:25:57,900
explained that the Nazis were connected
704
00:25:55,980 --> 00:26:00,058
to UFOs which had telepathically
705
00:25:57,900 --> 00:26:03,059
commanded him to kill to replenish his
706
00:26:00,058 --> 00:26:04,798
blood the UFOs followed him around and
707
00:26:03,058 --> 00:26:07,319
the FBI should be able to pinpoint them
708
00:26:04,798 --> 00:26:09,298
by putting a radar on him he then shoved
709
00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:11,339
a cup at wrestler filled with part of a
710
00:26:09,298 --> 00:26:13,859
macaroni and cheese dinner he wanted it
711
00:26:11,339 --> 00:26:16,079
analyzed for poison wrestler learned
712
00:26:13,859 --> 00:26:18,058
that the other inmates taunted Chase and
713
00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:20,759
urged him to kill himself they did not
714
00:26:18,058 --> 00:26:22,319
want him near them wrestler along with
715
00:26:20,759 --> 00:26:24,298
the prison mental health professionals
716
00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:26,460
feldy ought to be transferred to a
717
00:26:24,298 --> 00:26:28,500
psychiatric hospital although he was
718
00:26:26,460 --> 00:26:30,840
sent to one for a short time he soon
719
00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:33,538
returned to San Quentin on the day after
720
00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:35,099
Christmas in 1980 one day short of the
721
00:26:33,538 --> 00:26:37,919
third anniversary of The Killing Spree
722
00:26:35,099 --> 00:26:39,839
the guard looked in on Richard Chase The
723
00:26:37,919 --> 00:26:42,059
Condemned man was lying on his back in
724
00:26:39,839 --> 00:26:43,918
his bunk breathing normally he did not
725
00:26:42,058 --> 00:26:46,859
return the guard's greeting which was
726
00:26:43,919 --> 00:26:49,380
not unusual at 1105 the same guard
727
00:26:46,859 --> 00:26:51,298
looked into the cell again Chase was on
728
00:26:49,380 --> 00:26:53,700
his stomach both legs extended off his
729
00:26:51,298 --> 00:26:55,558
bunk and his feet were on the floor his
730
00:26:53,700 --> 00:26:57,720
head was against the mattress and his
731
00:26:55,558 --> 00:26:59,700
arms extended toward the pillow the
732
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,038
guard called out to chase who failed to
733
00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:04,860
move he went in and pull Chase off the
734
00:27:02,038 --> 00:27:08,759
bed it was clear to him that the vampire
735
00:27:04,859 --> 00:27:11,158
of Sacramento AKA Dracula was dead K.P
736
00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:13,140
Holmes The Coroner was called he
737
00:27:11,159 --> 00:27:15,240
searched the cell and located a strange
738
00:27:13,140 --> 00:27:17,640
suicide note after taking some pills
739
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,319
Chase had been taking a daily dose of
740
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,360
sinequin for hallucinations and
741
00:27:19,319 --> 00:27:23,939
depression which came to a cell in a
742
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:26,639
package of three pills apparently he had
743
00:27:23,940 --> 00:27:28,980
hoarded the pills and then overdosed the
744
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,259
cause of his death was toxic ingestion
745
00:27:28,980 --> 00:27:33,538
his heart was found to be normal and in
746
00:27:31,259 --> 00:27:35,879
good shape despite his lifelong concerns
747
00:27:33,538 --> 00:27:37,679
the prison psychiatrist noted that chase
748
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,419
had been psychotic since the time he had
749
00:27:37,679 --> 00:27:41,400
entered the prison but no one much
750
00:27:39,419 --> 00:27:44,580
bothered about the nature of his bizarre
751
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:46,860
obsession with blood in 1992 a movie
752
00:27:44,579 --> 00:27:49,439
called unspeakable was made based on
753
00:27:46,859 --> 00:27:51,839
Chase's a model for the killer his case
754
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:54,298
is still used by the FBI as the
755
00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:57,678
archetypal model for understanding the
756
00:27:54,298 --> 00:27:57,679
disorganized killer
757
00:27:58,558 --> 00:28:03,538
a number of people both Witnesses and
758
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,580
historians have tried to accurately
759
00:28:03,538 --> 00:28:09,480
document the facts of what happened on
760
00:28:05,579 --> 00:28:11,399
February 28 1993 in Waco Texas in the
761
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,960
clash between law enforcement and a
762
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,840
religious group known as the Branch
763
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:18,120
Davidians no one seems able to write
764
00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:20,158
about those events in an unbiased manner
765
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:23,038
since it seems that the whole thing was
766
00:28:20,159 --> 00:28:25,260
preventable even the academics appear to
767
00:28:23,038 --> 00:28:27,298
have a cause so it's difficult at times
768
00:28:25,259 --> 00:28:30,599
to piece together what exactly happened
769
00:28:27,298 --> 00:28:33,179
and who was to blame was quresh a
770
00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:36,359
manipulative psychopath who exploited an
771
00:28:33,179 --> 00:28:38,519
opportunity as many FBI agents claim or
772
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,979
was he just a deluded religious leader
773
00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:42,538
whose private play was suddenly Exposed
774
00:28:40,980 --> 00:28:45,480
on the world stage
775
00:28:42,538 --> 00:28:47,819
perhaps we'll never know hostage
776
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:50,159
negotiator Christopher Whitcomb writing
777
00:28:47,819 --> 00:28:52,859
in cold zero and true crime writer
778
00:28:50,159 --> 00:28:55,320
Clifford leindecker in massacre at Waco
779
00:28:52,859 --> 00:28:57,719
Texas both present a chronology of the
780
00:28:55,319 --> 00:29:00,778
facts on that momentous Sunday morning
781
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,759
somewhere between 70 and 76 armed Agents
782
00:29:00,778 --> 00:29:05,759
from the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and
783
00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:07,440
Firearms the ATF prepared to move on a
784
00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:09,480
group of wooden buildings outside the
785
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:12,000
central Texas town of Waco
786
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,860
known as the Mount Carmel Center the
787
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,140
place was occupied by members of an
788
00:29:13,859 --> 00:29:19,199
apocalyptic religious group that was led
789
00:29:16,140 --> 00:29:21,659
by a man named David koresh rumored to
790
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,759
be stockpiled inside was an arsenal of
791
00:29:21,659 --> 00:29:25,740
explosives and weapons some of which
792
00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:28,798
reportedly had been illegally converted
793
00:29:25,740 --> 00:29:30,960
to Rapid Fire automatic that put them
794
00:29:28,798 --> 00:29:32,940
under atf's jurisdiction
795
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,740
a UPS driver had tipped off the
796
00:29:32,940 --> 00:29:37,019
government when a package Bound for
797
00:29:34,740 --> 00:29:39,480
Mount Carmel had broken open to reveal
798
00:29:37,019 --> 00:29:41,819
casings for hand grenades while the
799
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:44,278
group did earn money from gun sales and
800
00:29:41,819 --> 00:29:45,658
were legally allowed to trade in arms it
801
00:29:44,278 --> 00:29:46,798
appeared that they weren't following
802
00:29:45,659 --> 00:29:48,960
protocol
803
00:29:46,798 --> 00:29:51,480
some neighbors also reported a lot of
804
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:54,419
target practice but there was more too
805
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:56,399
that came out in the days ahead line
806
00:29:54,419 --> 00:29:58,080
decker claims that the local newspaper
807
00:29:56,398 --> 00:30:00,719
was running a series of articles about
808
00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:03,240
qureshia's dubious activities entitled
809
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,759
the sinful Messiah based on accounts by
810
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,740
defectors like Mark Pro who later
811
00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:10,200
authored inside the cult
812
00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:12,778
Roe had hired detectives to Snoop around
813
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,100
and when contacted by the ATF he
814
00:30:12,778 --> 00:30:16,740
supplied a number of detailed
815
00:30:14,099 --> 00:30:19,019
descriptions of his former Associates he
816
00:30:16,740 --> 00:30:20,460
denounced quresh speaking of polygamy
817
00:30:19,019 --> 00:30:22,139
and other out-of-place practices
818
00:30:20,460 --> 00:30:24,720
involving children
819
00:30:22,140 --> 00:30:26,759
thanks to some of these leads the ATF
820
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,558
set up several agents to act as college
821
00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:31,140
students interested in quresh's
822
00:30:28,558 --> 00:30:33,538
teachings they moved into a house nearby
823
00:30:31,140 --> 00:30:36,240
and came over to visit Catherine
824
00:30:33,538 --> 00:30:38,460
wessinger a religious scholar at La Loya
825
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:41,099
University who penned how the Millennium
826
00:30:38,460 --> 00:30:42,840
comes violently claims that they never
827
00:30:41,099 --> 00:30:45,719
fooled the Davidians
828
00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:47,459
then that February 28th morning a
829
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,659
reporter asked for directions from a
830
00:30:47,460 --> 00:30:52,019
person who was connected to the
831
00:30:48,659 --> 00:30:55,140
Davidians and that person alerted quresh
832
00:30:52,019 --> 00:30:58,200
at the time one of the ATF agents was at
833
00:30:55,140 --> 00:31:00,600
Mount Carmel and he left in a hurry that
834
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,278
behavior alerted quresh who was already
835
00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:04,558
aware that people had been asking
836
00:31:02,278 --> 00:31:07,079
questions about him the agent who left
837
00:31:04,558 --> 00:31:08,879
called the ATF Commander to let him know
838
00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:12,839
that the Davidians were aware of their
839
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:15,659
approach there was no more secrecy in
840
00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:17,579
fact there never really had been since
841
00:31:15,659 --> 00:31:19,440
reporters either accompanied the agents
842
00:31:17,579 --> 00:31:22,619
or arrived before them at the Target
843
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,960
area clearly they'd been alerted line
844
00:31:22,619 --> 00:31:27,178
decker writing from the atf's point of
845
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,159
view said that it seemed early enough in
846
00:31:27,179 --> 00:31:32,460
the day to the commanders that surprise
847
00:31:29,159 --> 00:31:34,380
was still on their side besides it was
848
00:31:32,460 --> 00:31:37,259
Sunday and the guns were supposedly
849
00:31:34,380 --> 00:31:39,360
locked up for the Day of Prayer so the
850
00:31:37,259 --> 00:31:41,099
agents got into a convoy and drove out
851
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:44,219
to the barren grounds to serve their
852
00:31:41,099 --> 00:31:45,719
warrants and seize any illegal items a
853
00:31:44,220 --> 00:31:47,880
Blackhawk helicopter from the Texas
854
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,919
National Guard accompanied them along
855
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:53,100
with two others belonging to the ATF
856
00:31:49,919 --> 00:31:54,899
everyone was aware of the potential risk
857
00:31:53,099 --> 00:31:56,879
Corrections paranoia about the
858
00:31:54,898 --> 00:31:59,099
government as the agent of Satan didn't
859
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:02,220
help matters because the atf's advance
860
00:31:59,099 --> 00:32:03,839
only proved the truth of his prophecies
861
00:32:02,220 --> 00:32:05,100
they would be attacked by the
862
00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:08,220
Babylonians
863
00:32:05,099 --> 00:32:10,740
even so no one anticipated what actually
864
00:32:08,220 --> 00:32:13,319
happened the agents hoped that this
865
00:32:10,740 --> 00:32:15,839
incident could be settled quickly at
866
00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:18,000
nearly 10 o'clock as three teams formed
867
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:19,740
to enter the building an agent went to
868
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,259
the compound's front door and knocked
869
00:32:19,740 --> 00:32:23,940
the first entry team was to be inside
870
00:32:22,259 --> 00:32:25,798
the front door within seven seconds
871
00:32:23,940 --> 00:32:28,558
after the Convoy pulled up to the
872
00:32:25,798 --> 00:32:30,179
compound says line decker all these
873
00:32:28,558 --> 00:32:31,500
assault teams would be deployed within
874
00:32:30,179 --> 00:32:33,120
13 seconds
875
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:35,519
they'd been preparing this for eight
876
00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:38,158
months and each team had an assignment
877
00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:41,639
protect the children neutralize the
878
00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:43,799
military force and seize the arms quresh
879
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,240
looked out from behind a steel door and
880
00:32:43,798 --> 00:32:48,000
learned that the agents had a search
881
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,859
warrant instead of letting them in he
882
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,298
slammed the door and then someone
883
00:32:49,859 --> 00:32:53,579
started shooting
884
00:32:51,298 --> 00:32:56,460
it's not clear from which side the first
885
00:32:53,579 --> 00:32:57,839
bullets came but both sides commenced a
886
00:32:56,460 --> 00:33:00,179
fierce gun battle
887
00:32:57,839 --> 00:33:01,918
wessinger says that the survivors of the
888
00:33:00,179 --> 00:33:03,899
Skirmish and the subsequent standoff
889
00:33:01,919 --> 00:33:05,880
claim the bullets came in through the
890
00:33:03,898 --> 00:33:07,500
ceiling which meant that agents in the
891
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,340
helicopters were firing into the
892
00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:10,980
compound
893
00:33:08,339 --> 00:33:13,379
the ATF in several hearings afterward
894
00:33:10,980 --> 00:33:16,500
says no one in the Choppers fired a
895
00:33:13,380 --> 00:33:18,419
single shot by some reports agents were
896
00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:20,519
shooting the dogs to get them out of the
897
00:33:18,419 --> 00:33:23,038
way and that's what started the deadly
898
00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:25,558
Crossfire between the two groups women
899
00:33:23,038 --> 00:33:27,599
from inside who survived claim they'd
900
00:33:25,558 --> 00:33:29,759
placed their bodies over the children to
901
00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:32,158
protect them from the reign of bullets
902
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:33,778
several agents were hit right away and
903
00:33:32,159 --> 00:33:34,740
multiple shots came at the hovering
904
00:33:33,778 --> 00:33:36,720
Choppers
905
00:33:34,740 --> 00:33:38,700
one member of the team that penetrated
906
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,038
the building was shot in the head and
907
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:44,038
killed several who had climbed to the
908
00:33:41,038 --> 00:33:46,919
roof rolled off when hit from noises
909
00:33:44,038 --> 00:33:48,720
inside said agents in later hearings it
910
00:33:46,919 --> 00:33:49,679
was clear that the cult had some heavy
911
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,899
artillery
912
00:33:49,679 --> 00:33:54,679
bullets even pierce the reporters cars
913
00:33:51,898 --> 00:33:58,079
and then concussion grenades known as
914
00:33:54,679 --> 00:33:59,940
flashbangs exploded among the agents
915
00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:02,398
harass and his crew appeared to have
916
00:33:59,940 --> 00:34:04,798
Superior weapons they also had the
917
00:34:02,398 --> 00:34:05,939
advantage of cover while the agents were
918
00:34:04,798 --> 00:34:08,579
out in the open
919
00:34:05,940 --> 00:34:11,820
nevertheless women were screaming inside
920
00:34:08,579 --> 00:34:13,980
and men were yelling ATF bullets pierced
921
00:34:11,820 --> 00:34:16,200
the front door behind which koresh had
922
00:34:13,980 --> 00:34:18,719
been standing several people had been
923
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:21,178
hit including cultists firing from the
924
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:24,480
tower and four were wounded while five
925
00:34:21,179 --> 00:34:26,519
were dead whoever had started it both
926
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,780
sides knew they would have to fight hard
927
00:34:26,519 --> 00:34:30,000
for survival
928
00:34:27,780 --> 00:34:31,980
the intense Skirmish continued for
929
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,378
around two hours before truce was called
930
00:34:31,980 --> 00:34:37,378
allowing the ATF to remove their dead
931
00:34:34,378 --> 00:34:39,539
and wounded it turned out that 20 agents
932
00:34:37,378 --> 00:34:41,519
had been hit but emergency facilities
933
00:34:39,539 --> 00:34:43,980
were 20 minutes away
934
00:34:41,519 --> 00:34:46,440
the wounded were transported but too
935
00:34:43,980 --> 00:34:48,960
late for four men who'd sustained mortal
936
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:52,079
wounds wessinger claims that the count
937
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:54,240
was 20 wounded and four dead but FBI
938
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:57,299
records indicate that 16 were wounded
939
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:59,399
and four were dead while the ATF waited
940
00:34:57,300 --> 00:35:00,839
through a tense afternoon they arranged
941
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,240
to make some statements over a local
942
00:35:00,838 --> 00:35:05,159
radio station in the hope that koresh
943
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,919
was listening to let him know there
944
00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:10,078
would be no new attacks yet around five
945
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,940
o'clock when three cultists walking
946
00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:14,579
outside the compound to return there
947
00:35:11,940 --> 00:35:17,220
from work encountered ATF agents the
948
00:35:14,579 --> 00:35:19,560
shooting resumed agents killed one and
949
00:35:17,219 --> 00:35:21,719
captured one of the trio while one got
950
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:23,759
away and officials then broadcast a
951
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:26,399
request to koresh to give up without a
952
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,560
fight his response was a scripture
953
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,900
reading wessinger interprets his
954
00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:33,179
behavior within her analysis of end
955
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:35,760
times religious groups by pointing out
956
00:35:33,179 --> 00:35:38,578
that his ultimate concern was to obey
957
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,320
God's will as revealed in the Bible in
958
00:35:38,579 --> 00:35:41,280
order to be included in the millennial
959
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,140
Kingdom
960
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,300
they had believed that day to be
961
00:35:43,139 --> 00:35:48,000
imminent and had armed themselves for
962
00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:50,039
eventuality inside the buildings were
963
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,500
over 100 people who believed in
964
00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:54,900
quresha's Divine gifts and his ability
965
00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:55,619
to dictate to them what God wished for
966
00:35:54,900 --> 00:35:58,019
them
967
00:35:55,619 --> 00:36:00,599
several apostates who were advising the
968
00:35:58,019 --> 00:36:02,460
ATF indicated the disease could very
969
00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:03,539
well trigger a mass suicide like
970
00:36:02,460 --> 00:36:06,059
Jonestown
971
00:36:03,539 --> 00:36:08,880
nevertheless ATF director Stephen
972
00:36:06,059 --> 00:36:11,219
Higgins as reported by wessinger had
973
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,740
insisted two days before that a show of
974
00:36:11,219 --> 00:36:16,559
force against this group was necessary
975
00:36:13,739 --> 00:36:18,419
haresh quickly contacted the media and
976
00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:21,119
participated in several live interviews
977
00:36:18,420 --> 00:36:23,760
with CNN about how the ATF had
978
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:25,260
endangered his flock he emphasized the
979
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,180
number of children who lived in the
980
00:36:25,260 --> 00:36:30,119
compound and said that he'd been shot
981
00:36:27,179 --> 00:36:33,779
and was bleeding badly he expected to
982
00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:35,400
die in fact as wessinger indicates he
983
00:36:33,780 --> 00:36:37,619
probably interpreted this as another
984
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:40,619
fulfillment of the prophecy of the Lamb
985
00:36:37,619 --> 00:36:43,019
being morally wounded by that time the
986
00:36:40,619 --> 00:36:46,140
ATF was reinforced along with local
987
00:36:43,019 --> 00:36:49,739
police officers Texas Rangers members of
988
00:36:46,139 --> 00:36:53,460
the FBI's hostage Rescue Team HRT the
989
00:36:49,739 --> 00:36:56,338
FBI's special agent in charge Sac from
990
00:36:53,460 --> 00:36:59,820
the San Antonio office a bomb squad and
991
00:36:56,338 --> 00:37:02,639
several U.S Marshals the media too began
992
00:36:59,820 --> 00:37:05,220
to pour in koresh released four children
993
00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:07,098
ranging in age from three to six and
994
00:37:05,219 --> 00:37:10,618
everyone settled in for a long night
995
00:37:07,099 --> 00:37:12,300
former Davidian Mark Pro provides a long
996
00:37:10,619 --> 00:37:14,640
history of the development of the Branch
997
00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:17,099
Davidians as an offshoot from The
998
00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:19,139
Seventh-Day Adventist Church he also
999
00:37:17,099 --> 00:37:20,640
details how quresh Rose to power and
1000
00:37:19,139 --> 00:37:23,219
eventually took over
1001
00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:25,440
in the beginning his name was Vernon J
1002
00:37:23,219 --> 00:37:28,259
Howell and he was a high school dropout
1003
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,659
with the gift of the gab The Seventh-Day
1004
00:37:28,260 --> 00:37:32,579
Adventists advocated purity of the body
1005
00:37:30,659 --> 00:37:35,098
as the temple in which the Holy Spirit
1006
00:37:32,579 --> 00:37:37,680
resides so their habits of eating and
1007
00:37:35,099 --> 00:37:39,599
drinking were strict they believed the
1008
00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:42,539
final battle between good and evil could
1009
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:44,400
happen at any time and when it did only
1010
00:37:42,539 --> 00:37:47,759
a select number would witness the return
1011
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:49,680
of Jesus Christ and be saved yet some
1012
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,839
members wanted regulations to be even
1013
00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:55,019
stricter and from the original Church
1014
00:37:51,838 --> 00:37:57,119
several sects formed within this
1015
00:37:55,019 --> 00:37:59,820
congregation during the early 1930s
1016
00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:02,519
Victor T hutef preached about the
1017
00:37:59,820 --> 00:38:04,859
approaching apocalypse he was chosen by
1018
00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:07,380
God to cleanse the church and when his
1019
00:38:04,858 --> 00:38:11,039
defiant dogmatism forced him out he took
1020
00:38:07,380 --> 00:38:13,500
several followers with him in 1935 they
1021
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:15,300
purchased land outside Waco calling it
1022
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:18,300
Mount Carmel Center
1023
00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:20,700
then hutf renamed his SEC the Davidian
1024
00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:23,700
Seventh-Day Adventists and when he died
1025
00:38:20,699 --> 00:38:24,899
in 1955 his wife Florence succeeded him
1026
00:38:23,699 --> 00:38:27,118
as the leader
1027
00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:29,700
she gave a confident prediction for the
1028
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:32,400
exact date of the World's End in 1959
1029
00:38:29,699 --> 00:38:33,239
and many frightened converts flocked to
1030
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,099
Waco
1031
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,439
when her prediction proved false
1032
00:38:35,099 --> 00:38:39,900
Benjamin Bowden then attracted a
1033
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:42,300
disillusioned group to himself he called
1034
00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:45,660
this group the branch which then became
1035
00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:48,060
the Branch Davidians when he died his
1036
00:38:45,659 --> 00:38:49,920
wife Lois became the new prophet and
1037
00:38:48,059 --> 00:38:52,739
among the more ambitious members of her
1038
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:56,519
group was Vernon J Howell who had joined
1039
00:38:52,739 --> 00:38:58,618
in 1983. he was easy going handsome and
1040
00:38:56,519 --> 00:38:59,519
aggressive with the flamboyance of a
1041
00:38:58,619 --> 00:39:01,440
rock star
1042
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:04,019
he could take any Bible verse and
1043
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,960
discuss it endlessly which made him seem
1044
00:39:04,019 --> 00:39:10,259
highly intelligent even gifted possibly
1045
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:13,559
inspired Lois bowden's son in Heir
1046
00:39:10,260 --> 00:39:15,720
George hated Howell he intended to be
1047
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:18,239
the group's next leader no matter how
1048
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:21,838
Charming Howell might seem there could
1049
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:24,239
only be one Messiah as these two faced
1050
00:39:21,838 --> 00:39:27,179
off how will charm the elderly Lois into
1051
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:29,279
taking him as a lover he claimed it was
1052
00:39:27,179 --> 00:39:31,440
God's Divine command that they produce a
1053
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:34,140
child together although they failed in
1054
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,059
this eventually the two men gathered
1055
00:39:34,139 --> 00:39:38,159
their respective supporters each
1056
00:39:36,059 --> 00:39:39,420
claiming exclusive access to biblical
1057
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:42,000
revelation
1058
00:39:39,420 --> 00:39:44,460
Howell insisted that as God's seventh
1059
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,320
messenger it was he who would set off
1060
00:39:44,460 --> 00:39:49,500
the chain of events that would bring on
1061
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:52,920
the Apocalypse in some ways he was right
1062
00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:57,119
at least for his own Vlog when Lois died
1063
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:59,220
in 1986 Boden forced howlout Howell left
1064
00:39:57,119 --> 00:40:01,858
for a while but then returned for a
1065
00:39:59,219 --> 00:40:04,199
Face-Off Bowden had dug up the corpse of
1066
00:40:01,858 --> 00:40:05,759
an elderly woman to challenge Howell to
1067
00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:08,039
raise her from the dead
1068
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:10,619
so Howell tried to use this incident to
1069
00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:13,079
get Boden arrested the sheriff needed
1070
00:40:10,619 --> 00:40:14,940
proof so Howell armed himself and took
1071
00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:16,140
some men to enter Mount Carmel to get
1072
00:40:14,940 --> 00:40:18,838
photographs
1073
00:40:16,139 --> 00:40:19,920
Bowden came at them with an Uzi and they
1074
00:40:18,838 --> 00:40:22,559
shot back
1075
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,420
surprisingly no one was killed but
1076
00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:26,759
Bowden quickly went to prison on an
1077
00:40:24,420 --> 00:40:29,639
unrelated charge and not opened the door
1078
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,740
for Howell to take over in a court trial
1079
00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:33,719
Bowden appeared to be more dangerous
1080
00:40:31,739 --> 00:40:35,578
especially when he had the corpse
1081
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,598
brought into the courtroom to prove his
1082
00:40:35,579 --> 00:40:39,420
powers
1083
00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:41,220
Howell was acquitted of all charges and
1084
00:40:39,420 --> 00:40:42,119
he saw this as a sign of God's
1085
00:40:41,219 --> 00:40:44,759
protection
1086
00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:46,200
Bowden left town and was later committed
1087
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,780
to a mental hospital
1088
00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:50,759
now Howell was free to affirm himself as
1089
00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:53,099
a harbinger of the Book of Revelations
1090
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:56,280
who could interpret the Prophecies of
1091
00:40:53,099 --> 00:40:58,680
the Seven Seals when inspired One Day by
1092
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:01,140
the new light he divided husbands from
1093
00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:01,858
wives and claimed all the women as his
1094
00:41:01,139 --> 00:41:04,618
own
1095
00:41:01,858 --> 00:41:06,960
he gave each girl a star of David which
1096
00:41:04,619 --> 00:41:09,539
bro says was a symbol indicative of
1097
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,820
ownership that cheap piece of jewelry
1098
00:41:09,539 --> 00:41:14,159
signified that a female belonged to the
1099
00:41:11,820 --> 00:41:16,859
exalted House of David and was destined
1100
00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:20,039
to become a handmaiden to the Lord the
1101
00:41:16,858 --> 00:41:23,338
Lord in this case being Howell it was
1102
00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:25,619
important Howell said that as God he had
1103
00:41:23,338 --> 00:41:28,380
to spread his seed and create a Divine
1104
00:41:25,619 --> 00:41:31,140
Army then he dubbed his male followers
1105
00:41:28,380 --> 00:41:33,300
Mighty Men the guards of King Solomon's
1106
00:41:31,139 --> 00:41:34,440
bed and they were to be his primary
1107
00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:36,539
soldiers
1108
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,579
it was estimated that he claimed at
1109
00:41:36,539 --> 00:41:42,719
least 15 girls and women for his Harem
1110
00:41:38,579 --> 00:41:45,060
some as young as 12. in 1990 Howell
1111
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:47,039
changed his name to David koresh to
1112
00:41:45,059 --> 00:41:49,440
bring together the concept that he was
1113
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:52,019
an heir to King David and that his name
1114
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,820
meant death he dictated strict rules
1115
00:41:52,019 --> 00:41:56,338
about how his flock should spend their
1116
00:41:53,820 --> 00:41:58,800
days apparently changing those rules at
1117
00:41:56,338 --> 00:42:01,679
whim and he preached at his flock day
1118
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:04,019
and night yet he himself was above the
1119
00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:07,319
rules he could eat food forbidden to
1120
00:42:04,019 --> 00:42:10,320
them sleep till noon and drink alcohol
1121
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:12,780
by 1992 quresh was teaching his
1122
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,539
followers about martyrdom for the cause
1123
00:42:12,780 --> 00:42:17,519
at the same time he was stockpiling food
1124
00:42:15,539 --> 00:42:19,559
and collecting arms to defend himself
1125
00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:22,199
against any attacks whether from
1126
00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:23,519
defectors or government agents the
1127
00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:25,559
Babylonians
1128
00:42:23,519 --> 00:42:27,420
while wessinger claims that there's no
1129
00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:28,920
evidence that the Branch Davidians were
1130
00:42:27,420 --> 00:42:31,200
actually using the guns they were
1131
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:33,659
selling they clearly had a Siege
1132
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:36,118
mentality the cult managed to acquire
1133
00:42:33,659 --> 00:42:38,940
sufficient supplies especially in terms
1134
00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:40,559
of instant storable meals to last a year
1135
00:42:38,940 --> 00:42:43,320
if the need arose
1136
00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:45,299
according to defectors koresh demanded
1137
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,160
to know from members of his group how
1138
00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:49,800
far they were willing to go in defense
1139
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:52,259
of the true Faith the only way to serve
1140
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:54,720
God was to be willing to die
1141
00:42:52,260 --> 00:42:57,119
he even taught the children that suicide
1142
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,699
might one day be required and showed
1143
00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:02,039
them how to do it with cyanide Oregon
1144
00:42:59,699 --> 00:43:05,399
eventually he changed the name of Mount
1145
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:08,039
Carmel to Ranch apocalypse the first few
1146
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,599
days following the failed ATF raid the
1147
00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:11,699
government assembled a crisis management
1148
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:15,000
team to talk with the cornered Branch
1149
00:43:11,699 --> 00:43:16,919
Davidians in there report to the deputy
1150
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,920
Attorney General on the events at Waco
1151
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:21,599
Texas compiled in October that year the
1152
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,818
FBI described their crisis Management
1153
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:24,720
program for handling situations like
1154
00:43:23,818 --> 00:43:27,000
this
1155
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:29,279
acting quickly they determined what
1156
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:32,039
resources would be needed and selected
1157
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:35,220
people for a team that meant negotiators
1158
00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:38,219
tactical Personnel support people local
1159
00:43:35,219 --> 00:43:39,480
law enforcement consultants and Liaisons
1160
00:43:38,219 --> 00:43:41,879
with the media
1161
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:44,639
special agent in charge Jeffrey Jamar
1162
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:46,920
took over raising the hackles of the ATF
1163
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:49,440
who later said they'd never asked for
1164
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,900
help by five o'clock pm on the second
1165
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:54,179
day the FBI had a full Command Center
1166
00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:56,280
operating which they'd set up at a
1167
00:43:54,179 --> 00:43:58,500
hangar at a former air base about a mile
1168
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:01,079
from the Branch Davidian compound
1169
00:43:58,500 --> 00:44:03,780
from the first day to the last the place
1170
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:06,180
was abuzz with activity the critical
1171
00:44:03,780 --> 00:44:09,359
incident negotiation team supervised the
1172
00:44:06,179 --> 00:44:10,980
negotiations using a team leader an
1173
00:44:09,358 --> 00:44:12,960
agent on the phone talking with someone
1174
00:44:10,980 --> 00:44:15,000
inside the compound secondary
1175
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:17,280
negotiators who handled that person's
1176
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,920
suggestions and people to prepare the
1177
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,780
reports for the end of each day these
1178
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:24,240
were kept in envelopes for anyone to
1179
00:44:21,780 --> 00:44:26,280
read who might need information quickly
1180
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,500
the initial Communications had occurred
1181
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:31,200
between atf's special agent James
1182
00:44:28,500 --> 00:44:33,000
Cavanaugh and David koresh but then
1183
00:44:31,199 --> 00:44:35,279
Lieutenant Larry Lynch of the Waco
1184
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,139
Police Department took over speaking
1185
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:40,200
mostly with Steve Schneider and Wayne
1186
00:44:37,139 --> 00:44:42,239
Martin koresha's trusted lieutenants
1187
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:44,759
Schneider was a disaffected Seventh-Day
1188
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,539
Adventist evangelist and Martin was an
1189
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,700
attorney
1190
00:44:45,539 --> 00:44:49,858
after the cult's messages to the media
1191
00:44:47,699 --> 00:44:52,078
the phone lines were rerouted from the
1192
00:44:49,858 --> 00:44:54,239
compound so that anyone inside who
1193
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:56,818
dialed out would only get an FBI
1194
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:59,098
negotiator on the other end during the
1195
00:44:56,818 --> 00:45:01,079
second day three negotiators kept up
1196
00:44:59,099 --> 00:45:03,420
unceasing contact with 15 different
1197
00:45:01,079 --> 00:45:05,760
members of quresh's group but that soon
1198
00:45:03,420 --> 00:45:09,300
changed to contact with mostly Schneider
1199
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:11,339
or koresh outside the job of the hostage
1200
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:13,318
rescue team was to control the perimeter
1201
00:45:11,338 --> 00:45:15,719
around the compound for which they used
1202
00:45:13,318 --> 00:45:18,059
different types of intimidating tanks
1203
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:20,039
Christopher Whitcomb describes what it
1204
00:45:18,059 --> 00:45:21,659
was like to be there and he makes it
1205
00:45:20,039 --> 00:45:23,699
clear that while the negotiators were
1206
00:45:21,659 --> 00:45:26,639
trying to settle things peacefully the
1207
00:45:23,699 --> 00:45:28,799
HRT was ready for action it was clear
1208
00:45:26,639 --> 00:45:31,139
that the FBI's own people were working
1209
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:34,200
at odds with each other and many of them
1210
00:45:31,139 --> 00:45:36,838
knew it throughout the siege yet each
1211
00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:38,879
side believed it was right negotiators
1212
00:45:36,838 --> 00:45:41,039
insisted that tactical behavior only
1213
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:43,800
fulfilled creces prophecy and
1214
00:45:41,039 --> 00:45:46,199
strengthened his resolve while the HRT
1215
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:48,000
people with their pro-military mindset
1216
00:45:46,199 --> 00:45:50,578
believed that encroaching on his
1217
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:53,159
territory intimidated him and weakened
1218
00:45:50,579 --> 00:45:54,960
him in the eyes of his flock koresh
1219
00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:57,539
informed the FBI that he'd been hit by
1220
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,940
two bullets one through the hip and one
1221
00:45:57,539 --> 00:46:01,318
through his left wrist he refused
1222
00:45:59,940 --> 00:46:03,659
medical assistance
1223
00:46:01,318 --> 00:46:07,139
however he did release 10 more children
1224
00:46:03,659 --> 00:46:08,759
that day including a baby the FBI
1225
00:46:07,139 --> 00:46:10,440
believed there was hope that he might
1226
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,300
eventually give up although a
1227
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,920
psychological consultant was convinced
1228
00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:14,880
that koresh himself would never
1229
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,940
surrender
1230
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:20,460
God was not going to prison
1231
00:46:17,940 --> 00:46:22,559
then things got ugly
1232
00:46:20,460 --> 00:46:25,079
when kresh realized he couldn't dial out
1233
00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:27,420
to anyone except the FBI he threatened
1234
00:46:25,079 --> 00:46:30,539
more violence and hung out banners for
1235
00:46:27,420 --> 00:46:32,880
requests for the media even so he
1236
00:46:30,539 --> 00:46:35,639
repeatedly assured anyone who asked that
1237
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,559
he had no plans for suicide he promised
1238
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:40,259
to let everyone out if his message was
1239
00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:42,299
played for the whole nation as a show of
1240
00:46:40,260 --> 00:46:44,819
good faith he sent out a few more
1241
00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:46,800
children also as a show of good faith
1242
00:46:44,818 --> 00:46:49,079
the FBI made arrangements for the
1243
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,700
broadcast on March 2nd while U.S
1244
00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:51,720
Marshals prepared to take people into
1245
00:46:50,699 --> 00:46:53,879
custody
1246
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:56,818
then they awaited the hour-long tape
1247
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,980
that kresh was making it arrived at 8am
1248
00:46:56,818 --> 00:47:01,559
along with the release of two more
1249
00:46:58,980 --> 00:47:03,199
children and two adults as several
1250
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:05,880
Christian radio stations broadcast
1251
00:47:03,199 --> 00:47:07,439
speech negotiators worked out the
1252
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,960
surrender Logistics
1253
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:12,119
haresh was to come out first carried on
1254
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,818
the stretcher then Schneider was to send
1255
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:17,460
someone out every two minutes Vehicles
1256
00:47:14,818 --> 00:47:19,920
were put in place to pick them up that
1257
00:47:17,460 --> 00:47:22,079
afternoon quresh assured negotiators
1258
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,900
that the plan was proceeding he just
1259
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:27,300
wanted to lead his people in prayer then
1260
00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:29,880
at six o'clock he said that God had
1261
00:47:27,300 --> 00:47:31,560
instructed him to wait there would be no
1262
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,960
surrender that day
1263
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:36,420
however all he offered were Bible
1264
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:38,940
readings and statements of resistance
1265
00:47:36,420 --> 00:47:41,220
according to the FBI report they learned
1266
00:47:38,940 --> 00:47:43,679
the things were not as they seemed even
1267
00:47:41,219 --> 00:47:45,598
as koresh had denied ideas about suicide
1268
00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:48,480
he had actually formed a rather
1269
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:50,640
Insidious plan according to one of his
1270
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,800
own followers quresh believed he was
1271
00:47:50,639 --> 00:47:55,019
about to die so he'd instructed his
1272
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,359
group and what they were to do once he
1273
00:47:55,019 --> 00:47:59,639
expired they were to carry him outside
1274
00:47:57,358 --> 00:48:02,039
on a stretcher and then fire on the
1275
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:04,379
agents so they would kill and then be
1276
00:48:02,039 --> 00:48:06,779
killed some of them were given hand
1277
00:48:04,380 --> 00:48:08,338
grenades and allegedly koresh had
1278
00:48:06,780 --> 00:48:11,400
instructed them to stand together in
1279
00:48:08,338 --> 00:48:13,619
small groups and pull the pins that way
1280
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,358
they could take as many of the Beast
1281
00:48:13,619 --> 00:48:18,838
with them as possible
1282
00:48:15,358 --> 00:48:21,119
everyone was to die but then quresh had
1283
00:48:18,838 --> 00:48:22,739
a change of heart perhaps because he was
1284
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:24,720
not dying after all
1285
00:48:22,739 --> 00:48:27,419
after talking about meeting in the next
1286
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:30,179
World the Davidians gathered to pray and
1287
00:48:27,420 --> 00:48:31,740
to wait for further instructions quresh
1288
00:48:30,179 --> 00:48:34,078
then advised them that they should not
1289
00:48:31,739 --> 00:48:35,939
emerge at that time because he had
1290
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:38,579
sinned by indulging in whiskey and
1291
00:48:35,940 --> 00:48:40,559
prohibited food that would effectively
1292
00:48:38,579 --> 00:48:43,859
eliminate their salvation
1293
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:46,139
the standoff continued the next day
1294
00:48:43,858 --> 00:48:48,659
koresh reiterated that his commands came
1295
00:48:46,139 --> 00:48:51,118
from God and he sent out one child with
1296
00:48:48,659 --> 00:48:53,639
nine puppies then he offered more
1297
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:56,099
scripture interpretations he told the
1298
00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:57,779
FBI that if his boss took it into his
1299
00:48:56,099 --> 00:49:00,359
mind to punish them for what they had
1300
00:48:57,780 --> 00:49:03,119
done it would be the start of World War
1301
00:49:00,358 --> 00:49:05,098
III while the negotiators quickly grew
1302
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:07,559
bored of his endless hours of rambling
1303
00:49:05,099 --> 00:49:09,780
speeches they wanted to get as many
1304
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:12,838
children out as possible so they
1305
00:49:09,780 --> 00:49:14,700
listened patiently yet then quresh
1306
00:49:12,838 --> 00:49:17,338
indicated that his own children would
1307
00:49:14,699 --> 00:49:19,618
not be coming out the FBI began to
1308
00:49:17,338 --> 00:49:22,259
realize that this man was unpredictable
1309
00:49:19,619 --> 00:49:23,940
the negotiators consulted with several
1310
00:49:22,260 --> 00:49:25,859
mental health experts and religious
1311
00:49:23,940 --> 00:49:28,740
Scholars and there appeared to be little
1312
00:49:25,858 --> 00:49:31,380
consensus except that koresh was likely
1313
00:49:28,739 --> 00:49:34,439
to be dangerous if pushed too far
1314
00:49:31,380 --> 00:49:36,420
since 1993 many scholars have tried to
1315
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,760
interpret the situation in retrospect
1316
00:49:36,420 --> 00:49:40,858
condemning the FBI for their lack of
1317
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,680
understanding if only they'd been
1318
00:49:40,858 --> 00:49:45,900
educated in biblical passages wessinger
1319
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:47,219
says they would have known what koresh
1320
00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:49,619
was communicating
1321
00:49:47,219 --> 00:49:52,139
Jane Doherty a professor of conflict
1322
00:49:49,619 --> 00:49:54,180
resolution writes that a study of these
1323
00:49:52,139 --> 00:49:56,219
religious groups indicates that a
1324
00:49:54,179 --> 00:49:58,139
propensity towards Millennial beliefs
1325
00:49:56,219 --> 00:50:01,019
appears to be imprinted on the human
1326
00:49:58,139 --> 00:50:03,358
psyche the roots of a violent encounter
1327
00:50:01,019 --> 00:50:06,719
such as that between the ATF and Branch
1328
00:50:03,358 --> 00:50:08,578
Davidians are inherently interactive the
1329
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,199
group itself would probably not become
1330
00:50:08,579 --> 00:50:12,180
violent without the Catalyst of
1331
00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:15,179
aggression or persecution
1332
00:50:12,179 --> 00:50:18,838
such groups are easy targets for normal
1333
00:50:15,179 --> 00:50:22,078
people to demonize and as such the setup
1334
00:50:18,838 --> 00:50:24,539
tends to invite a clash one psychiatrist
1335
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:26,519
Park Dietz who came to the command
1336
00:50:24,539 --> 00:50:28,500
center early read through all the
1337
00:50:26,519 --> 00:50:30,780
reports and said the koresh appeared to
1338
00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:33,119
have anti-social and narcissistic traits
1339
00:50:30,780 --> 00:50:35,700
as well as paranoid and grandiose
1340
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:37,680
delusions while some appeal to the
1341
00:50:35,699 --> 00:50:40,379
rational side of his personality might
1342
00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:43,799
work short term in the long run his
1343
00:50:40,380 --> 00:50:46,680
Psychopathology would erupt he would
1344
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:49,079
become dangerous the best approach was
1345
00:50:46,679 --> 00:50:51,058
to validate his ideas and get him to
1346
00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:53,460
believe that his mission had not yet
1347
00:50:51,059 --> 00:50:56,099
been accomplished while he warned the
1348
00:50:53,460 --> 00:50:58,199
FBI to be consistent it became clear to
1349
00:50:56,099 --> 00:51:00,539
negotiators that much of the ground they
1350
00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:03,899
gained in discussions with quresh was
1351
00:51:00,539 --> 00:51:06,179
lost through bad judgment Pete smyrick a
1352
00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:07,858
criminal investigative analyst wrote a
1353
00:51:06,179 --> 00:51:10,618
report to headquarters back in Virginia
1354
00:51:07,858 --> 00:51:13,318
that the on-site commanders were moving
1355
00:51:10,619 --> 00:51:15,599
too rapidly toward Tactical deployment
1356
00:51:13,318 --> 00:51:18,480
he advised backing off with the tanks
1357
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:22,019
the HRT was just making the situation
1358
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:24,000
more volatile for years quresh had been
1359
00:51:22,019 --> 00:51:25,920
brainwashing his followers in this
1360
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:29,400
battle between the church and the enemy
1361
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:31,019
one memo read on February 28th his
1362
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,240
prophecy came true
1363
00:51:31,019 --> 00:51:35,519
koresh is still able to convince his
1364
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:37,979
followers that the end is near as he
1365
00:51:35,519 --> 00:51:40,440
predicted their enemies will surround
1366
00:51:37,980 --> 00:51:42,420
them and kill them it wouldn't be
1367
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,760
effective to use a traditional hostage
1368
00:51:42,420 --> 00:51:46,740
strategy in this situation they weren't
1369
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,960
dealing with criminals but with a
1370
00:51:46,739 --> 00:51:51,779
religious fanatic whose followers would
1371
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:54,179
do whatever he said even worse than the
1372
00:51:51,780 --> 00:51:56,280
show of force was the way the FBI seemed
1373
00:51:54,179 --> 00:51:59,519
to be punishing every good act that
1374
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:01,380
koresh did when he sent people out Jamar
1375
00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:04,019
did things like turn off the electricity
1376
00:52:01,380 --> 00:52:06,300
or broadcast raucous music
1377
00:52:04,019 --> 00:52:08,338
koresh was clearly annoyed by all of
1378
00:52:06,300 --> 00:52:10,140
this and it was no wonder that he
1379
00:52:08,338 --> 00:52:12,838
believed that God instructed him to
1380
00:52:10,139 --> 00:52:15,358
resist rather than surrender they were
1381
00:52:12,838 --> 00:52:17,759
playing against his divinity trying to
1382
00:52:15,358 --> 00:52:19,500
weaken him so he was reaching for all
1383
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:23,640
the symbols of his power
1384
00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:26,760
it was a no-win situation even so after
1385
00:52:23,639 --> 00:52:28,858
the 51 days that The Siege ensued the
1386
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,960
revolving teams of negotiators kept
1387
00:52:28,858 --> 00:52:32,338
trying to resolve things peacefully and
1388
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,980
save the largest number of people
1389
00:52:32,338 --> 00:52:37,619
possible the Behavioral Science people
1390
00:52:34,980 --> 00:52:40,079
were well aware that the HRT and other
1391
00:52:37,619 --> 00:52:43,740
military-minded Personnel viewed them as
1392
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:45,599
soft but they knew their job hundreds of
1393
00:52:43,739 --> 00:52:47,639
suggestions were faxed and mailed to
1394
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:51,119
them every day from people all over the
1395
00:52:47,639 --> 00:52:53,699
country and some experts even showed up
1396
00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:55,619
one man from a nearby University wrote a
1397
00:52:53,699 --> 00:52:58,858
letter to quresh that he expected the
1398
00:52:55,619 --> 00:53:00,960
FBI to deliver in it he said that quresh
1399
00:52:58,858 --> 00:53:02,578
was misreading the scriptures and he
1400
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,619
pointed out several Divine directives
1401
00:53:02,579 --> 00:53:07,260
that would indicate what God was really
1402
00:53:04,619 --> 00:53:09,059
saying other people wanted to be allowed
1403
00:53:07,260 --> 00:53:12,000
into the compound to argue the Bible
1404
00:53:09,059 --> 00:53:13,680
with quresh they were well-meaning but
1405
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:16,739
they failed to understand the kind of
1406
00:53:13,679 --> 00:53:18,358
person quresh was they believed he could
1407
00:53:16,739 --> 00:53:21,299
simply be reasoned into a different
1408
00:53:18,358 --> 00:53:22,980
position and then give up a few more
1409
00:53:21,300 --> 00:53:25,619
aggressive people even threatened to
1410
00:53:22,980 --> 00:53:28,858
force their way in to either help koresh
1411
00:53:25,619 --> 00:53:31,200
or show him the error of his ways in
1412
00:53:28,858 --> 00:53:33,058
fact on separate occasions two men
1413
00:53:31,199 --> 00:53:34,980
managed to accomplish this
1414
00:53:33,059 --> 00:53:37,500
they were welcomed inside to be
1415
00:53:34,980 --> 00:53:39,000
proselytized and they both left before
1416
00:53:37,500 --> 00:53:41,219
the final days
1417
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,679
a man claiming to be Jesus's brother
1418
00:53:41,219 --> 00:53:45,838
arrived from Florida to talk with quresh
1419
00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:48,358
and another claiming to be Jesus himself
1420
00:53:45,838 --> 00:53:51,299
said that he had to go in and set quresh
1421
00:53:48,358 --> 00:53:53,400
straight on who Christ really was
1422
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:55,740
one well-known Minister claimed that
1423
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:58,079
qresh was possessed by a demon and
1424
00:53:55,739 --> 00:53:58,979
needed an exorcism which he offered to
1425
00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:01,619
perform
1426
00:53:58,980 --> 00:54:04,619
many of these interventions amuse the
1427
00:54:01,619 --> 00:54:06,480
negotiators but at the same time they
1428
00:54:04,619 --> 00:54:08,640
were well aware that fewer people were
1429
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,800
coming out and that quresh could remain
1430
00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:13,618
inside with his band for quite a long
1431
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:16,920
time perhaps as long as a year
1432
00:54:13,619 --> 00:54:19,079
he had supplies stashed away and water
1433
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,480
the worst thing for his people was the
1434
00:54:19,079 --> 00:54:24,420
cold nights without electricity but so
1435
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:26,818
far they were enduring that they asked
1436
00:54:24,420 --> 00:54:28,559
for milk for the children which the FBI
1437
00:54:26,818 --> 00:54:30,659
could hardly refuse
1438
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:32,280
trying to resolve things quickly the
1439
00:54:30,659 --> 00:54:34,078
negotiators tried to put together a
1440
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:36,960
strategy that relied on those things
1441
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:39,180
that quresh most wanted they knew he had
1442
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,858
won in court against Bowdoin and that he
1443
00:54:39,179 --> 00:54:43,618
appeared to be enjoying all of the
1444
00:54:40,858 --> 00:54:46,318
sudden Fame so they worked on that angle
1445
00:54:43,619 --> 00:54:48,358
the ATF had attacked they could prove it
1446
00:54:46,318 --> 00:54:50,880
from the crime scene and koresh could
1447
00:54:48,358 --> 00:54:53,159
take them to court and win he would then
1448
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:55,079
draw even more followers and the Branch
1449
00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:57,539
Davidians would be known all over the
1450
00:54:55,079 --> 00:54:59,818
world they were already on the cover of
1451
00:54:57,539 --> 00:55:02,639
the major news magazines and the world
1452
00:54:59,818 --> 00:55:04,440
was watching koresh could parlay this
1453
00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:07,799
into something beneficial for himself
1454
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:09,900
and his followers yet even as they said
1455
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:12,539
these things to him they were aware that
1456
00:55:09,900 --> 00:55:16,079
he knew he had some other concerns dead
1457
00:55:12,539 --> 00:55:17,818
ATF agents and charges of polygamy he
1458
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:20,579
was likely aware that things would not
1459
00:55:17,818 --> 00:55:23,279
go as easily as promised trying to get
1460
00:55:20,579 --> 00:55:25,260
around quresh the FBI made tapes of the
1461
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:27,599
children who had come out showing they
1462
00:55:25,260 --> 00:55:29,579
were cared for and urged them to appeal
1463
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:31,920
to their parents to join them
1464
00:55:29,579 --> 00:55:33,240
sent these tapes into the compound and
1465
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,700
each time they called The Press together
1466
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:37,979
for a television broadcast they turned
1467
00:55:35,699 --> 00:55:40,139
the electricity back on so the Davidians
1468
00:55:37,980 --> 00:55:41,760
could see what they were saying the
1469
00:55:40,139 --> 00:55:44,039
agents expressed concern for their
1470
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,300
safety and clarified inaccurate
1471
00:55:44,039 --> 00:55:47,579
speculations
1472
00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:49,559
one other Ploy was to record quresh on
1473
00:55:47,579 --> 00:55:51,359
the phone and when his words seemed to
1474
00:55:49,559 --> 00:55:53,460
undermine his preaching they would
1475
00:55:51,358 --> 00:55:55,858
broadcast that over a loudspeaker for
1476
00:55:53,460 --> 00:55:57,838
the rest of the cult to hear it was
1477
00:55:55,858 --> 00:56:00,358
hoped that at least some of them in
1478
00:55:57,838 --> 00:56:02,400
particular the kilou tenants would see
1479
00:56:00,358 --> 00:56:05,880
the inconsistency and question their
1480
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:08,220
leader yet on March 9th just over a week
1481
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,900
since the siege had begun koresh sent
1482
00:56:08,219 --> 00:56:11,818
out a videotape on which he and
1483
00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:14,400
Schneider had recorded interviews with
1484
00:56:11,818 --> 00:56:16,500
people inside the compound each one
1485
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:19,380
expressed a firm desire to remain there
1486
00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:23,039
they were not coming out unless God
1487
00:56:19,380 --> 00:56:23,818
ordered them to ultimately koresh was in
1488
00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:26,460
control
1489
00:56:23,818 --> 00:56:29,099
he would decide when he'd negotiate and
1490
00:56:26,460 --> 00:56:32,039
when he wouldn't the FBI would have to
1491
00:56:29,099 --> 00:56:35,099
sit there and wait on March 12th
1492
00:56:32,039 --> 00:56:37,500
Davidian Kathy Schroeder came out when
1493
00:56:35,099 --> 00:56:39,599
questioned she denied any plans for
1494
00:56:37,500 --> 00:56:42,599
suicide yet when she tried calling back
1495
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:44,579
into the compound she received no answer
1496
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:47,160
she did admit that some people inside
1497
00:56:44,579 --> 00:56:50,039
wanted to come out but were afraid of
1498
00:56:47,159 --> 00:56:53,818
koresh they wouldn't leave until he told
1499
00:56:50,039 --> 00:56:55,558
them to that message was alarming that
1500
00:56:53,818 --> 00:56:57,239
meant the qurash might well have a plan
1501
00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:59,760
that exploited his group members
1502
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:02,219
inability to act for themselves
1503
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:04,319
at that point special agent in charge
1504
00:57:02,219 --> 00:57:07,558
Jamar decided to shut off the
1505
00:57:04,318 --> 00:57:09,179
electricity for good up until then he'd
1506
00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:11,400
allowed it to come on for short periods
1507
00:57:09,179 --> 00:57:14,098
of time but he was tired of all the
1508
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:16,318
dilly-dallying this tactic angered
1509
00:57:14,099 --> 00:57:19,140
everyone inside the compound and further
1510
00:57:16,318 --> 00:57:21,300
annoyed the negotiators quresh rightly
1511
00:57:19,139 --> 00:57:22,739
called it an act of bad faith and
1512
00:57:21,300 --> 00:57:24,839
Schneider said that the three people
1513
00:57:22,739 --> 00:57:26,039
who'd been about to come out were now
1514
00:57:24,838 --> 00:57:28,318
going to remain
1515
00:57:26,039 --> 00:57:30,358
a couple of days later the Tactical
1516
00:57:28,318 --> 00:57:32,279
people placed bright lights outside the
1517
00:57:30,358 --> 00:57:34,858
compound at night to make it difficult
1518
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:37,859
for those inside to sleep and stepped up
1519
00:57:34,858 --> 00:57:40,318
the loud music as an annoyance wessinger
1520
00:57:37,858 --> 00:57:43,699
lists the kind of music used as Tibetan
1521
00:57:40,318 --> 00:57:48,119
Buddhist chants bagpipes seagulls crying
1522
00:57:43,699 --> 00:57:51,058
helicopters dentist drills Sirens dying
1523
00:57:48,119 --> 00:57:54,000
rabbits a train and songs by Alice
1524
00:57:51,059 --> 00:57:55,619
Cooper and Nancy Sinatra a rock group
1525
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,000
actually offered to come in and play
1526
00:57:55,619 --> 00:57:59,338
music that they knew would be
1527
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:02,579
psychologically demoralizing but their
1528
00:57:59,338 --> 00:58:05,400
offer was rejected then the HRT drained
1529
00:58:02,579 --> 00:58:07,740
the compound's diesel storage tanks more
1530
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,599
adults came out and caress said he would
1531
00:58:07,739 --> 00:58:12,239
send out no one else
1532
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:14,220
then the loudspeaker system failed much
1533
00:58:12,239 --> 00:58:16,318
to jamar's frustration and to the
1534
00:58:14,219 --> 00:58:17,879
negotiator's relief although they later
1535
00:58:16,318 --> 00:58:20,219
got it working again
1536
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:22,079
the crisis management team advised Jamar
1537
00:58:20,219 --> 00:58:24,000
that since quresh offered no specific
1538
00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:27,359
time frame for surrender the weight
1539
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:29,579
could be indefinite at that point the
1540
00:58:27,358 --> 00:58:31,920
introduction of tear gas was mentioned
1541
00:58:29,579 --> 00:58:34,318
to avoid this the negotiators made
1542
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:36,358
correction offer in prison he could
1543
00:58:34,318 --> 00:58:38,818
communicate with his followers and make
1544
00:58:36,358 --> 00:58:40,699
a worldwide broadcast on CNN
1545
00:58:38,818 --> 00:58:43,079
in order to have these privileges
1546
00:58:40,699 --> 00:58:46,679
correctionist people had to leave by 10
1547
00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:48,480
o'clock the next day March 23rd koresh
1548
00:58:46,679 --> 00:58:51,480
rejected the deal and tore up the letter
1549
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:53,460
and one more man emerged at this point
1550
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,619
Schneider became more belligerent in his
1551
00:58:53,460 --> 00:58:57,000
phone conversations and many at the
1552
00:58:55,619 --> 00:58:58,619
command center felt that something
1553
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:01,318
negative was building
1554
00:58:58,619 --> 00:59:03,720
on March 25th the FBI sent in an
1555
00:59:01,318 --> 00:59:06,058
ultimatum sent a minimum of 20 people
1556
00:59:03,719 --> 00:59:08,338
out by the end of the afternoon or they
1557
00:59:06,059 --> 00:59:11,040
would begin to prepare for action
1558
00:59:08,338 --> 00:59:13,380
when no one emerged the FBI removed
1559
00:59:11,039 --> 00:59:15,539
motorcycles and other vehicles from in
1560
00:59:13,380 --> 00:59:18,358
front of the compound two days later
1561
00:59:15,539 --> 00:59:20,279
according to FBI documents Schneider
1562
00:59:18,358 --> 00:59:22,798
denied quresha's self-professed Divinity
1563
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:25,140
and hinted that the FBI might burn the
1564
00:59:22,798 --> 00:59:27,599
building to get them out that seemed
1565
00:59:25,139 --> 00:59:29,578
like a rather enigmatic comment perhaps
1566
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:32,519
even a hint of what was being discussed
1567
00:59:29,579 --> 00:59:34,798
inside then several days were taken up
1568
00:59:32,519 --> 00:59:37,079
with meetings between quresh Schneider
1569
00:59:34,798 --> 00:59:38,818
and two lawyers one of whom had been
1570
00:59:37,079 --> 00:59:41,339
hired by quresh's mother
1571
00:59:38,818 --> 00:59:43,199
once that was settled koresh decided
1572
00:59:41,338 --> 00:59:44,039
that he wanted to spend Passover in the
1573
00:59:43,199 --> 00:59:45,960
compound
1574
00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:48,358
since he was the leader of a religious
1575
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:51,119
group there was no real point in arguing
1576
00:59:48,358 --> 00:59:53,460
the FBI gave in and waded through the
1577
00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:55,559
Passover period as it neared an end
1578
00:59:53,460 --> 00:59:57,420
quresh announced that he would observe
1579
00:59:55,559 --> 00:59:59,940
it for seven more days
1580
00:59:57,420 --> 01:00:03,059
Passover was officially at an end but
1581
00:59:59,940 --> 01:00:06,298
who could argue once again it was clear
1582
01:00:03,059 --> 01:00:08,160
that he was in charge by this time it
1583
01:00:06,298 --> 01:00:10,559
was clear to everyone that it was going
1584
01:00:08,159 --> 01:00:12,480
to be one thing after another with him
1585
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:14,940
he wrote and sent out several letters
1586
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,500
over the next few days that indicated he
1587
01:00:14,940 --> 01:00:19,679
would never surrender or leave
1588
01:00:16,500 --> 01:00:21,599
voluntarily by April 10th it appeared to
1589
01:00:19,679 --> 01:00:24,179
be time to resume discussions about tear
1590
01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:25,859
gas and this time the argument was
1591
01:00:24,179 --> 01:00:29,039
presented to the newly sworn attorney
1592
01:00:25,858 --> 01:00:31,380
general Janet Reno having only recently
1593
01:00:29,039 --> 01:00:33,000
taken up the reins this was a difficult
1594
01:00:31,380 --> 01:00:34,858
situation to be in
1595
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:37,619
she asked for information about the gas
1596
01:00:34,858 --> 01:00:38,519
in particular whether it was harmful to
1597
01:00:37,619 --> 01:00:40,980
children
1598
01:00:38,519 --> 01:00:44,000
she was assured that it was not
1599
01:00:40,980 --> 01:00:47,519
the FBI wanted to use a substance called
1600
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:48,420
chlorobenzylidine melanonitrile or CS
1601
01:00:47,519 --> 01:00:50,338
gas
1602
01:00:48,420 --> 01:00:52,740
they claimed that it was not flammable
1603
01:00:50,338 --> 01:00:54,119
but other sources insist that it's
1604
01:00:52,739 --> 01:00:56,639
highly flammable
1605
01:00:54,119 --> 01:00:58,318
since the FBI did not expect Flames to
1606
01:00:56,639 --> 01:01:00,118
be present they might have believed
1607
01:00:58,318 --> 01:01:03,000
there was no real Danger
1608
01:01:00,119 --> 01:01:05,099
however inside the compound to warm
1609
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:07,858
things up at night and to read the group
1610
01:01:05,099 --> 01:01:09,660
was using kerosene lamps it seemed
1611
01:01:07,858 --> 01:01:12,179
reasonable to expect that someone might
1612
01:01:09,659 --> 01:01:14,519
have thought of that yet clearly no one
1613
01:01:12,179 --> 01:01:16,679
did even as these discussions were
1614
01:01:14,519 --> 01:01:18,838
underway there were few intermittent
1615
01:01:16,679 --> 01:01:21,719
conversations with quresh who offered
1616
01:01:18,838 --> 01:01:24,539
more of what they called Bible Babel and
1617
01:01:21,719 --> 01:01:26,279
negotiations appear to be stalled quresh
1618
01:01:24,539 --> 01:01:28,139
was now saying that he needed time to
1619
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:30,540
write a manuscript on the meaning of the
1620
01:01:28,139 --> 01:01:31,379
Seven Seals and he was at work on that
1621
01:01:30,539 --> 01:01:33,298
now
1622
01:01:31,380 --> 01:01:36,480
he asked for supplies to accomplish this
1623
01:01:33,298 --> 01:01:39,599
and the FBI sent those in he completed
1624
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:42,179
it on April 16th yet still he did not
1625
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:44,099
come out some of his followers who
1626
01:01:42,179 --> 01:01:46,318
managed to get out said that he had only
1627
01:01:44,099 --> 01:01:48,059
completed work on the first seal while
1628
01:01:46,318 --> 01:01:50,460
the FBI believed he'd finished the
1629
01:01:48,059 --> 01:01:54,298
entire manuscript and still resisted
1630
01:01:50,460 --> 01:01:56,460
them by that time they'd had it they no
1631
01:01:54,298 --> 01:02:00,000
longer believed any of quresh's promises
1632
01:01:56,460 --> 01:02:02,838
on April 17th Reno approved of the use
1633
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:05,519
of Cs gas to end the six-week standoff
1634
01:02:02,838 --> 01:02:07,739
apparently she felt that the negotiators
1635
01:02:05,519 --> 01:02:09,599
had come to an impasse and that the
1636
01:02:07,739 --> 01:02:10,919
sanitary conditions of the compound were
1637
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:12,960
deteriorating
1638
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:16,079
she was thinking of the 23 children
1639
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:18,599
still inside in addition to that the
1640
01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:20,940
operation was getting expensive with no
1641
01:02:18,599 --> 01:02:22,740
foreseeable end tear gas was
1642
01:02:20,940 --> 01:02:25,920
uncomfortable but it would not harm
1643
01:02:22,739 --> 01:02:28,199
anyone the HRT was instructed to insert
1644
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:30,659
it gradually over a period of 48 hours
1645
01:02:28,199 --> 01:02:32,759
and then be ready to capture people as
1646
01:02:30,659 --> 01:02:34,500
they emerged arrest warrants were
1647
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,420
obtained for every person known to be
1648
01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:38,940
inside and search warrants for the
1649
01:02:36,420 --> 01:02:40,559
compound were in hand teams prepared to
1650
01:02:38,940 --> 01:02:43,380
wash gas off the children as they
1651
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:45,660
emerged and to get them to safety on
1652
01:02:43,380 --> 01:02:47,880
April 18th tanks continued to remove
1653
01:02:45,659 --> 01:02:50,279
vehicles from the front of the compound
1654
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:52,500
tension was high and it was clear that
1655
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:54,780
koresh was upset especially when they
1656
01:02:52,500 --> 01:02:56,818
moved his black Camaro he called the
1657
01:02:54,780 --> 01:02:58,859
command center and said if you don't
1658
01:02:56,818 --> 01:03:01,619
stop what you're doing this could be the
1659
01:02:58,858 --> 01:03:03,239
worst day in law enforcement history a
1660
01:03:01,619 --> 01:03:05,640
sniper with a good view of the compound
1661
01:03:03,239 --> 01:03:08,459
reported that someone from inside had
1662
01:03:05,639 --> 01:03:12,179
hung a sign on a window that read Flames
1663
01:03:08,460 --> 01:03:14,280
await it was an ominous message the
1664
01:03:12,179 --> 01:03:16,440
negotiators weren't sure what it meant
1665
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,220
but they suspected that koresh had a
1666
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,338
plan
1667
01:03:17,219 --> 01:03:23,039
they were soon to find out just after
1668
01:03:20,338 --> 01:03:24,900
Dawn on Monday morning April 19th the
1669
01:03:23,039 --> 01:03:27,019
FBI phoned the compound to warn those
1670
01:03:24,900 --> 01:03:29,039
inside about what was to occur
1671
01:03:27,019 --> 01:03:31,920
leindecker provides a full description
1672
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:34,440
of what was said it was not an assault
1673
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:37,079
the FBI insisted but a means of getting
1674
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:38,940
the Davidians to come out this was the
1675
01:03:37,079 --> 01:03:41,400
most uncomfortable tactic they'd used
1676
01:03:38,940 --> 01:03:44,220
thus far and if it didn't work they
1677
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:45,720
could only resort to real aggression yet
1678
01:03:44,219 --> 01:03:48,598
they believed that no one would long
1679
01:03:45,719 --> 01:03:51,899
endure the harsh fumes of the gas it
1680
01:03:48,599 --> 01:03:53,400
burned the mouth eyes skin and lungs to
1681
01:03:51,900 --> 01:03:55,920
the point that any reasonable person
1682
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:57,838
would accept a way to escape it three
1683
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,760
minutes after the initial call two
1684
01:03:57,838 --> 01:04:01,679
combat engineering Vehicles approached
1685
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:04,140
the buildings punched holes into the
1686
01:04:01,679 --> 01:04:05,879
fragile walls and began to spray tear
1687
01:04:04,139 --> 01:04:08,219
gas through nozzles into the compound
1688
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:11,579
propelled by non-combustible carbon
1689
01:04:08,219 --> 01:04:13,798
dioxide nearby were in Abrams tank and
1690
01:04:11,579 --> 01:04:16,500
nine Bradley Vehicles while Choppers
1691
01:04:13,798 --> 01:04:18,539
flew overhead taking aerial photos
1692
01:04:16,500 --> 01:04:20,818
everyone was under orders that if
1693
01:04:18,539 --> 01:04:23,759
children were in any way endangered the
1694
01:04:20,818 --> 01:04:26,099
mission was to be aborted abruptly the
1695
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:28,799
Davidians opened fire at the tanks yet
1696
01:04:26,099 --> 01:04:30,420
the tear gas injection continued and CS
1697
01:04:28,798 --> 01:04:32,818
grenades were thrown in through the
1698
01:04:30,420 --> 01:04:35,039
windows the walls of the buildings were
1699
01:04:32,818 --> 01:04:36,599
no match for the tanks and large holes
1700
01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:39,058
appeared wherever the tanks were used
1701
01:04:36,599 --> 01:04:41,700
then the vehicles pulled back for an
1702
01:04:39,059 --> 01:04:43,740
hour to reload and went at it again
1703
01:04:41,699 --> 01:04:46,139
the Davidians responded with more
1704
01:04:43,739 --> 01:04:48,779
gunfire they also tossed the telephone
1705
01:04:46,139 --> 01:04:51,239
out the front door a sign that all
1706
01:04:48,780 --> 01:04:52,920
negotiations had ceased although
1707
01:04:51,239 --> 01:04:55,500
survivors claimed that the tanks had
1708
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:57,119
broken the phone lines at this point if
1709
01:04:55,500 --> 01:04:59,280
those who said they were using kerosene
1710
01:04:57,119 --> 01:05:01,559
lamps were correct and if the tanks had
1711
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,960
indeed knocked them over the fires would
1712
01:05:01,559 --> 01:05:05,819
already have started and spread however
1713
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:07,920
it would be several hours before that
1714
01:05:05,818 --> 01:05:10,558
occurred putting the claims into some
1715
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:12,599
doubt the Texas wind was fierce that
1716
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:15,359
morning which was not good for the
1717
01:05:12,599 --> 01:05:17,280
Tactical teams the FBI continued to
1718
01:05:15,358 --> 01:05:19,139
broadcast please for the Davidians to
1719
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:21,720
come out hoping that at least the women
1720
01:05:19,139 --> 01:05:23,639
with children would do so they assured
1721
01:05:21,719 --> 01:05:26,039
those inside that no one would be harmed
1722
01:05:23,639 --> 01:05:27,900
but the Davidians had already seen some
1723
01:05:26,039 --> 01:05:29,940
of their fellow members LED away in the
1724
01:05:27,900 --> 01:05:32,460
days before in handcuffs and orange
1725
01:05:29,940 --> 01:05:35,159
prison suits this was yet another
1726
01:05:32,460 --> 01:05:37,980
tactical error meant to display Force
1727
01:05:35,159 --> 01:05:40,139
then just a few minutes after noon the
1728
01:05:37,980 --> 01:05:43,380
buildings quickly went up in flames and
1729
01:05:40,139 --> 01:05:45,598
the fire spread fast agents close to the
1730
01:05:43,380 --> 01:05:47,460
building heard gunfire and they assumed
1731
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:50,700
that the people inside had decided to
1732
01:05:47,460 --> 01:05:52,318
end it with a mass suicide an HRT agent
1733
01:05:50,699 --> 01:05:53,939
later claimed that he'd seen someone
1734
01:05:52,318 --> 01:05:56,099
light a fire in front of the building
1735
01:05:53,940 --> 01:05:58,440
and several loud explosions inside
1736
01:05:56,099 --> 01:06:01,380
erupted into a giant plume of black
1737
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:03,599
smoke that filled the sky helicopters
1738
01:06:01,380 --> 01:06:06,180
flew back and forth recording what they
1739
01:06:03,599 --> 01:06:07,740
could but no one knew how dangerous it
1740
01:06:06,179 --> 01:06:10,078
might be to get close
1741
01:06:07,739 --> 01:06:12,118
again a message was broadcast over the
1742
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:15,359
loudspeaker that koresh should send his
1743
01:06:12,119 --> 01:06:17,640
people out only nine emerged one woman
1744
01:06:15,358 --> 01:06:20,519
who came out her clothing in Flames
1745
01:06:17,639 --> 01:06:22,618
tried to go back in but was caught by an
1746
01:06:20,519 --> 01:06:25,318
ATF agent and brought to safety
1747
01:06:22,619 --> 01:06:27,059
firefighters arrived but the FBI made
1748
01:06:25,318 --> 01:06:29,940
them keep their distance due to gunfire
1749
01:06:27,059 --> 01:06:32,519
and the possibility of more explosions
1750
01:06:29,940 --> 01:06:34,858
around 12 45 they entered the building
1751
01:06:32,519 --> 01:06:37,259
and found numerous incinerated bodies
1752
01:06:34,858 --> 01:06:38,578
most were well beyond immediate
1753
01:06:37,260 --> 01:06:41,039
identification
1754
01:06:38,579 --> 01:06:43,099
the negotiators who had worked long
1755
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:45,960
hours to ensure a peaceful resolution
1756
01:06:43,099 --> 01:06:47,220
were stunned they had predicted
1757
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:50,400
something along these lines of
1758
01:06:47,219 --> 01:06:52,798
aggression of any kind were used even so
1759
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:55,559
they had not imagined the magnitude of
1760
01:06:52,798 --> 01:06:57,239
what did happen and now it was time to
1761
01:06:55,559 --> 01:06:59,400
investigate the crime scene
1762
01:06:57,239 --> 01:07:01,739
for that another team was called into
1763
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:03,240
action and those agents whose work was
1764
01:07:01,739 --> 01:07:05,219
done went home
1765
01:07:03,239 --> 01:07:07,379
they were aware there would be endless
1766
01:07:05,219 --> 01:07:09,538
inquiries about how such an event could
1767
01:07:07,380 --> 01:07:12,119
have occurred by the end of that
1768
01:07:09,539 --> 01:07:16,200
shocking day 80 people were found dead
1769
01:07:12,119 --> 01:07:18,720
23 of them under 17. koresh had fathered
1770
01:07:16,199 --> 01:07:20,399
14 of them while rumors spread that
1771
01:07:18,719 --> 01:07:22,558
Kress himself had escaped through
1772
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:25,619
underground tunnels his body was later
1773
01:07:22,559 --> 01:07:28,440
identified by dental records he'd been
1774
01:07:25,619 --> 01:07:31,079
shot in the head many of the victims had
1775
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:33,240
died from gunshot wounds over 100
1776
01:07:31,079 --> 01:07:35,339
Firearms were eventually recovered from
1777
01:07:33,239 --> 01:07:37,979
the scene and four hundred thousand
1778
01:07:35,338 --> 01:07:39,599
rounds of ammunition wessinger states
1779
01:07:37,980 --> 01:07:41,760
that many of them were still in their
1780
01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:44,160
plastic wrappers apparently scheduled
1781
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:45,660
for shipment rather than for use but
1782
01:07:44,159 --> 01:07:46,679
that's an interpretation without
1783
01:07:45,659 --> 01:07:49,078
evidence
1784
01:07:46,679 --> 01:07:51,058
it wasn't long before accusations were
1785
01:07:49,079 --> 01:07:53,579
flung from both sides that the other
1786
01:07:51,059 --> 01:07:55,319
side had started the fire and the FBI
1787
01:07:53,579 --> 01:07:57,240
brought to court what they felt was
1788
01:07:55,318 --> 01:07:59,579
clear evidence that the Davidians had
1789
01:07:57,239 --> 01:08:01,379
done it they produce surveillance audio
1790
01:07:59,579 --> 01:08:04,200
tapes of people inside the compound
1791
01:08:01,380 --> 01:08:07,079
joking the day before about catching on
1792
01:08:04,199 --> 01:08:10,259
fire on the actual day there were
1793
01:08:07,079 --> 01:08:13,019
recorded commands to spread the fuel and
1794
01:08:10,260 --> 01:08:15,000
light the torch yet survivors who had
1795
01:08:13,019 --> 01:08:16,859
escaped the compound claim there had
1796
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:19,679
never been a suicide plan
1797
01:08:16,859 --> 01:08:21,900
still they could not explain why koresh
1798
01:08:19,679 --> 01:08:23,819
refused to come out for six hours after
1799
01:08:21,899 --> 01:08:25,979
the introduction of tear gas
1800
01:08:23,819 --> 01:08:27,719
the subsequent investigation showed that
1801
01:08:25,979 --> 01:08:29,099
the fire had three points of origin
1802
01:08:27,719 --> 01:08:31,920
which would not have happened
1803
01:08:29,100 --> 01:08:34,259
accidentally one canister that had
1804
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:36,600
incendiary potential and that matched
1805
01:08:34,259 --> 01:08:38,819
what the FBI was using was actually
1806
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,140
found in water so it could not have
1807
01:08:38,819 --> 01:08:42,600
started a fire
1808
01:08:40,140 --> 01:08:44,460
yet if it was true that CS gas was
1809
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:46,259
flammable then the amount pumped into
1810
01:08:44,460 --> 01:08:49,739
the compound could easily have caught
1811
01:08:46,259 --> 01:08:51,060
fire the question was what was the true
1812
01:08:49,738 --> 01:08:54,178
source of the fire
1813
01:08:51,060 --> 01:08:57,120
had the tanks knocked over oil lamps if
1814
01:08:54,179 --> 01:08:58,980
so why hadn't the fire begun earlier no
1815
01:08:57,119 --> 01:09:01,019
one seemed to have satisfactory answers
1816
01:08:58,979 --> 01:09:03,838
but everyone pointed the finger
1817
01:09:01,020 --> 01:09:06,420
including people who were not even there
1818
01:09:03,838 --> 01:09:09,000
nevertheless it was no doubt that the
1819
01:09:06,420 --> 01:09:11,699
initiating ATF raid was ill-planned and
1820
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:13,560
completely unnecessary koresh could have
1821
01:09:11,698 --> 01:09:15,298
been arrested peacefully away from the
1822
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:17,940
compound while a search was activated
1823
01:09:15,298 --> 01:09:19,859
even if the ATF firmly believed that
1824
01:09:17,939 --> 01:09:22,139
only an element of surprise would have
1825
01:09:19,859 --> 01:09:24,000
allowed the plan to succeed once that
1826
01:09:22,140 --> 01:09:26,279
surprise was lost they should have
1827
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:28,259
stopped and prepared for something else
1828
01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:30,600
there was little evidence of awareness
1829
01:09:28,259 --> 01:09:32,219
of what the Davidians were all about and
1830
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:34,980
it was clear that a paramilitary
1831
01:09:32,219 --> 01:09:36,119
maneuver simply to inspect some guns was
1832
01:09:34,979 --> 01:09:37,939
Overkill
1833
01:09:36,119 --> 01:09:41,099
in a videotape for the History Channel
1834
01:09:37,939 --> 01:09:42,778
entitled Cults journalist Mike Wallace
1835
01:09:41,100 --> 01:09:44,699
sternly points out that there were many
1836
01:09:42,779 --> 01:09:47,279
people to blame for what happened to the
1837
01:09:44,698 --> 01:09:49,259
Branch Davidians inside the compound not
1838
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:51,299
just them and there might never be
1839
01:09:49,259 --> 01:09:53,640
complete Clarity on the issue
1840
01:09:51,298 --> 01:09:56,698
the ATF made another suspicious decision
1841
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:59,100
as well on May 12th less than a month
1842
01:09:56,698 --> 01:10:01,859
after the incident they bulldozed the
1843
01:09:59,100 --> 01:10:03,660
site in other words if there were any
1844
01:10:01,859 --> 01:10:05,279
clues remaining after the fire that
1845
01:10:03,659 --> 01:10:08,698
might have provided information as to
1846
01:10:05,279 --> 01:10:10,738
what took place they were now Beyond use
1847
01:10:08,698 --> 01:10:12,539
most Americans afterward blame the
1848
01:10:10,738 --> 01:10:13,319
Branch Davidians for what had taken
1849
01:10:12,539 --> 01:10:16,260
place
1850
01:10:13,319 --> 01:10:18,420
but in later years the sentiment shifted
1851
01:10:16,260 --> 01:10:19,980
somewhat and some home-grown radicals
1852
01:10:18,420 --> 01:10:22,980
decided there should be some payback
1853
01:10:19,979 --> 01:10:25,500
only two years later on the anniversary
1854
01:10:22,979 --> 01:10:28,139
of the fire Timothy McVeigh left a truck
1855
01:10:25,500 --> 01:10:30,238
full of explosives outside the Alfred P
1856
01:10:28,140 --> 01:10:32,579
murra Federal Building in Oklahoma City
1857
01:10:30,238 --> 01:10:33,839
killing or injuring hundreds of workers
1858
01:10:32,579 --> 01:10:35,519
and their children
1859
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:38,279
those who view the government the way
1860
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:40,560
koresh did are unlikely to accept any
1861
01:10:38,279 --> 01:10:42,539
explanation but one unwarranted
1862
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:44,640
government persecution
1863
01:10:42,539 --> 01:10:46,380
David koresha decided that the fifth
1864
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:48,420
seal of chapter 6 in the Book of
1865
01:10:46,380 --> 01:10:51,060
Revelation predicted that Armageddon
1866
01:10:48,420 --> 01:10:52,980
would occur there at Mount Carmel it
1867
01:10:51,060 --> 01:10:55,320
describes those who were slain for the
1868
01:10:52,979 --> 01:10:57,539
word of the Lord and mentions a waiting
1869
01:10:55,319 --> 01:11:00,420
period after which the entire Community
1870
01:10:57,539 --> 01:11:02,939
would be killed according to quresh's
1871
01:11:00,420 --> 01:11:05,579
understanding through this violence he
1872
01:11:02,939 --> 01:11:07,259
and his people were to achieve salvation
1873
01:11:05,579 --> 01:11:09,359
while there were predictions from
1874
01:11:07,260 --> 01:11:11,219
religious and political Scholars that
1875
01:11:09,359 --> 01:11:14,039
another Waco was in the making among
1876
01:11:11,219 --> 01:11:15,359
other secretive groups the FBI did learn
1877
01:11:14,039 --> 01:11:16,979
from the incident
1878
01:11:15,359 --> 01:11:18,839
the next time they were faced with a
1879
01:11:16,979 --> 01:11:21,959
similar standoff the Freeman and
1880
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:24,179
Garfield County Montana in 1996 they
1881
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:26,760
approached it much differently from
1882
01:11:24,179 --> 01:11:28,380
March 25th to June 13th the FBI
1883
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:30,300
confronted a small group of Christian
1884
01:11:28,380 --> 01:11:33,060
Patriots who called themselves the
1885
01:11:30,300 --> 01:11:35,219
Freeman their aim was to overthrow the
1886
01:11:33,060 --> 01:11:37,739
government which they viewed as satanic
1887
01:11:35,219 --> 01:11:39,179
as part of a protest some of them
1888
01:11:37,738 --> 01:11:41,698
stopped paying taxes and government
1889
01:11:39,179 --> 01:11:43,679
loans which resulted in the Foreclosure
1890
01:11:41,698 --> 01:11:45,899
of their property instead of leaving
1891
01:11:43,679 --> 01:11:48,600
they tried setting up their own local
1892
01:11:45,899 --> 01:11:51,420
government and threatened to arrest even
1893
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:53,820
to hang local government officials
1894
01:11:51,420 --> 01:11:55,739
this brought in the FBI but with
1895
01:11:53,819 --> 01:11:57,238
restrictions from attorney general Reno
1896
01:11:55,738 --> 01:11:58,439
that there would be no armed
1897
01:11:57,238 --> 01:12:00,178
confrontation
1898
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:02,579
the Freeman that gathered on a
1899
01:12:00,179 --> 01:12:04,380
foreclosed Wheat Farm were armed but the
1900
01:12:02,579 --> 01:12:06,840
federal agents relied on more than 40
1901
01:12:04,380 --> 01:12:09,179
negotiators including family members of
1902
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:10,619
the protesters to try to bring about a
1903
01:12:09,179 --> 01:12:13,440
peaceful resolution
1904
01:12:10,619 --> 01:12:15,119
no one wanted another Waco
1905
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,738
those on the farm were offered
1906
01:12:15,119 --> 01:12:19,140
conditions that allowed them to remain
1907
01:12:16,738 --> 01:12:21,359
loyal to their concerns and to run their
1908
01:12:19,140 --> 01:12:23,640
own defense even as 14 of them were
1909
01:12:21,359 --> 01:12:25,679
taken into custody in other words
1910
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:28,320
contrary to Waco
1911
01:12:25,679 --> 01:12:30,420
the FBI avoided acting in a way that
1912
01:12:28,319 --> 01:12:32,460
confirmed the group's persecutory belief
1913
01:12:30,420 --> 01:12:34,500
system and the matter ended in the
1914
01:12:32,460 --> 01:12:39,679
courtroom for issues of tax evasion
1915
01:12:34,500 --> 01:12:39,679
rather than on an impromptu Battlefield
1916
01:12:41,579 --> 01:12:49,380
about 5 30 p.m on Sunday March 13 1977
1917
01:12:45,719 --> 01:12:51,000
John LeMay 17 told his next-door
1918
01:12:49,380 --> 01:12:53,219
neighbor that he was going to Redondo
1919
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:55,800
Beach to see a guy he'd met at a gym in
1920
01:12:53,219 --> 01:12:58,560
downtown Los Angeles whose name was Dave
1921
01:12:55,800 --> 01:13:00,600
when John didn't come home that night or
1922
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:03,060
the next day his hysterical mother
1923
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:04,440
called the El Segundo police certain
1924
01:13:03,060 --> 01:13:07,260
that something had happened to him
1925
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:10,079
claiming that her son didn't just go off
1926
01:13:07,260 --> 01:13:13,199
for days at a time police chalked it up
1927
01:13:10,079 --> 01:13:15,359
as another teen runaway on March 18th
1928
01:13:13,198 --> 01:13:17,519
the remains of John LeMay who was
1929
01:13:15,359 --> 01:13:20,099
homosexual were discovered beside a
1930
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:22,260
highway south of Corona he had been
1931
01:13:20,100 --> 01:13:24,780
carefully dismembered all the body parts
1932
01:13:22,260 --> 01:13:27,119
washed and drained of blood and neatly
1933
01:13:24,779 --> 01:13:29,880
packed into five industrial trash bags
1934
01:13:27,119 --> 01:13:31,979
each bag was carefully sealed with nylon
1935
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:34,199
filament tape and three of the bags had
1936
01:13:31,979 --> 01:13:36,539
been crammed into an empty 80 gallon oil
1937
01:13:34,198 --> 01:13:39,238
drum the other two left on the ground
1938
01:13:36,539 --> 01:13:41,340
next to it the boy's head was missing
1939
01:13:39,238 --> 01:13:44,399
but a birthmark clearly identified the
1940
01:13:41,340 --> 01:13:46,319
remains as belonging to John LeMay the
1941
01:13:44,399 --> 01:13:48,960
decade of the 70s was a confusing time
1942
01:13:46,319 --> 01:13:51,539
for young people particularly young gay
1943
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:54,060
people the AIDS epidemic hadn't been
1944
01:13:51,539 --> 01:13:56,460
named as a serious threat yet the
1945
01:13:54,060 --> 01:13:58,320
popularity of gay bath houses gay bars
1946
01:13:56,460 --> 01:14:01,079
and anonymous sex in Parks public
1947
01:13:58,319 --> 01:14:03,420
toilets and parties was at its frenzied
1948
01:14:01,079 --> 01:14:05,399
Zenith gays were coming out with a
1949
01:14:03,420 --> 01:14:07,199
Vengeance and they were finally taking
1950
01:14:05,399 --> 01:14:09,839
what they considered their rightful
1951
01:14:07,198 --> 01:14:12,359
freedoms in the wake of the free love
1952
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:14,699
60s in San Francisco's hate Ashbury
1953
01:14:12,359 --> 01:14:15,658
young people headed to California in
1954
01:14:14,698 --> 01:14:18,000
droves
1955
01:14:15,658 --> 01:14:21,000
gay teens were drawn there as if to
1956
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:23,158
Mecca misunderstood youths ran away from
1957
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:25,880
unsympathetic parents stuck out their
1958
01:14:23,158 --> 01:14:28,679
thumbs and headed to their promised land
1959
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:30,840
they didn't necessarily find what they
1960
01:14:28,679 --> 01:14:33,719
were looking for many of them ended up
1961
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,860
as boy prostitutes trying to eke out a
1962
01:14:33,719 --> 01:14:37,560
meager living
1963
01:14:34,859 --> 01:14:39,359
during the 70s and early 80s more than a
1964
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:40,860
hundred young hitchhikers caught rides
1965
01:14:39,359 --> 01:14:43,319
on the streets and freeways of Southern
1966
01:14:40,859 --> 01:14:46,819
California and didn't live to tell about
1967
01:14:43,319 --> 01:14:49,319
it they were young pretty and eventually
1968
01:14:46,819 --> 01:14:51,960
desperate according to Berkeley
1969
01:14:49,319 --> 01:14:54,059
psychologist Michael Evans homosexuals
1970
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:56,460
are an easy population to get access to
1971
01:14:54,060 --> 01:14:58,800
in some Anonymous way
1972
01:14:56,460 --> 01:15:02,100
Chicago Police Sergeant Richard Sandberg
1973
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:04,980
put it another way the gays are easy
1974
01:15:02,100 --> 01:15:07,500
prey hitchhiking has never been a safe
1975
01:15:04,979 --> 01:15:09,899
mode of transportation but in the 1970s
1976
01:15:07,500 --> 01:15:12,658
getting into a car with a stranger was a
1977
01:15:09,899 --> 01:15:14,819
horrifyingly common occurrence Predators
1978
01:15:12,658 --> 01:15:17,879
cruised the freeway on ramps and Beach
1979
01:15:14,819 --> 01:15:19,979
highways they frequented bars hoping to
1980
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:21,300
find young boys in an agreeable state of
1981
01:15:19,979 --> 01:15:22,859
inebriation
1982
01:15:21,300 --> 01:15:25,860
sometimes they were looking for money
1983
01:15:22,859 --> 01:15:27,719
sometimes for quick impersonal sex
1984
01:15:25,859 --> 01:15:30,420
sometimes they wanted to vent their
1985
01:15:27,719 --> 01:15:32,880
frustrations and rage on someone anyone
1986
01:15:30,420 --> 01:15:34,739
unsuspecting while homosexuals
1987
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,900
constitute only about five percent of
1988
01:15:34,738 --> 01:15:38,158
serial killers they're more prone to
1989
01:15:36,899 --> 01:15:40,379
Overkill than their straight
1990
01:15:38,158 --> 01:15:42,899
counterparts indulging in the more
1991
01:15:40,380 --> 01:15:45,960
horrific extremes of torture mutilation
1992
01:15:42,899 --> 01:15:48,899
and dismemberment gay men are also among
1993
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:51,239
the most prolific of serial killers the
1994
01:15:48,899 --> 01:15:52,859
sheer promiscuity of their crimes is a
1995
01:15:51,238 --> 01:15:54,959
kind of grotesque mirror of the
1996
01:15:52,859 --> 01:15:57,479
free-ranging sexual lifestyle embraced
1997
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:59,158
by so many gay men in the pre-aids era
1998
01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:01,678
of the 1970s
1999
01:15:59,158 --> 01:16:03,899
why homosexual serial killers as a group
2000
01:16:01,679 --> 01:16:05,579
should be especially sadistic is an
2001
01:16:03,899 --> 01:16:07,198
interesting question although one
2002
01:16:05,579 --> 01:16:09,600
element is surely the prevailing
2003
01:16:07,198 --> 01:16:11,639
homophobia of American society which
2004
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:13,920
causes many gay men to grow up with a
2005
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:16,560
deep-seated sense of self-hatred a
2006
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:17,940
violent homophobia of their own when
2007
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:20,219
these feelings are combined with the
2008
01:16:17,939 --> 01:16:22,979
Psychopathology of a serial killer the
2009
01:16:20,219 --> 01:16:25,140
results can be particularly appalling
2010
01:16:22,979 --> 01:16:28,139
the FBI estimates that somewhere between
2011
01:16:25,140 --> 01:16:31,020
10 and 50 serial killers are still at
2012
01:16:28,140 --> 01:16:34,140
large in America Patrick Wayne Kearney
2013
01:16:31,020 --> 01:16:38,100
was born in Texas in 1940 the youngest
2014
01:16:34,140 --> 01:16:40,199
of three boys he was thin shy prone to
2015
01:16:38,100 --> 01:16:42,659
illness and an easy target for
2016
01:16:40,198 --> 01:16:44,819
schoolyard bullies by the time he was
2017
01:16:42,658 --> 01:16:47,099
eight years old he knew he would kill
2018
01:16:44,819 --> 01:16:49,319
people by the time he was a much
2019
01:16:47,100 --> 01:16:51,060
ridiculed teen he was actively
2020
01:16:49,319 --> 01:16:54,840
fantasizing about murder
2021
01:16:51,060 --> 01:16:57,780
his fantasies were very detailed and
2022
01:16:54,840 --> 01:17:01,140
then he tried it it started in the
2023
01:16:57,779 --> 01:17:03,840
mid-60s in Tijuana and San Diego he
2024
01:17:01,140 --> 01:17:06,239
picked up guys in bars bus stops and
2025
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:08,039
places where gay men congregated looking
2026
01:17:06,238 --> 01:17:10,698
for a quickie in the bushes
2027
01:17:08,039 --> 01:17:13,560
they were easy to find easy to kill
2028
01:17:10,698 --> 01:17:16,559
bodies easy to dispose of in the desert
2029
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:17,340
but in his public life Kearney appeared
2030
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,679
normal
2031
01:17:17,340 --> 01:17:21,960
he put his time in with the Army as well
2032
01:17:19,679 --> 01:17:25,079
as into a short marriage neither of
2033
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:28,439
those situations suited him in 1962
2034
01:17:25,079 --> 01:17:31,260
Kearney met David Douglas hill hill was
2035
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:33,059
married and an army veteran a six foot
2036
01:17:31,260 --> 01:17:35,579
two High School Dropout from Lubbock
2037
01:17:33,060 --> 01:17:37,860
he'll join the Army in 1960 but was
2038
01:17:35,579 --> 01:17:40,738
quickly discharged on a diagnosis of an
2039
01:17:37,859 --> 01:17:42,238
unspecified personality disorder back in
2040
01:17:40,738 --> 01:17:44,759
Lubbock he married his high school
2041
01:17:42,238 --> 01:17:47,939
sweetheart but like kearney's trial
2042
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:50,159
marriage Hills was short-lived when he
2043
01:17:47,939 --> 01:17:52,039
met Kearney Hill divorced his wife and
2044
01:17:50,158 --> 01:17:55,198
moved to California with Kearney in
2045
01:17:52,039 --> 01:17:56,760
1967. Patrick got a good job as an
2046
01:17:55,198 --> 01:17:59,519
Aeronautics engineer with Hughes
2047
01:17:56,760 --> 01:18:01,079
aircraft and David stayed home but
2048
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:03,300
thought was love at first sight when
2049
01:18:01,079 --> 01:18:06,359
they met their 10-year life together was
2050
01:18:03,300 --> 01:18:08,159
tumultuous and stormy frequently Hill
2051
01:18:06,359 --> 01:18:10,799
would stomp out of the house and go
2052
01:18:08,158 --> 01:18:12,658
spend a few nights with some friends or
2053
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:15,719
he'd pick up a one-night stand out of
2054
01:18:12,658 --> 01:18:18,779
frustration and revenge occasionally he
2055
01:18:15,719 --> 01:18:21,260
went all the way home to Lubbock but he
2056
01:18:18,779 --> 01:18:24,059
always returned when Hill was gone
2057
01:18:21,260 --> 01:18:26,520
kearney's impotent frustrations reached
2058
01:18:24,060 --> 01:18:28,140
a boiling point there was only one thing
2059
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:30,960
he knew that would satisfy those
2060
01:18:28,140 --> 01:18:33,119
feelings of repressed rage when Hill
2061
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:34,980
left the house after a fight Kearney
2062
01:18:33,119 --> 01:18:37,439
would go prowling
2063
01:18:34,979 --> 01:18:39,658
he'd jump in his Volkswagen and go out
2064
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:40,859
to pick up hitchhikers or young men from
2065
01:18:39,658 --> 01:18:43,500
gay bars
2066
01:18:40,859 --> 01:18:46,079
being of slight build he had a Surefire
2067
01:18:43,500 --> 01:18:47,760
system of subduing his victims he shot
2068
01:18:46,079 --> 01:18:50,579
them in the head with a 22 caliber
2069
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:52,440
pistol without warning sometimes he'd be
2070
01:18:50,579 --> 01:18:53,880
driving down the highway paying strict
2071
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,678
attention to the speed limit with his
2072
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:57,420
left hand on the steering wheel then
2073
01:18:55,679 --> 01:19:00,000
shoot his victim in the passenger seat
2074
01:18:57,420 --> 01:19:01,980
with his right then he'd drive around
2075
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:04,319
until he found a suitably private place
2076
01:19:01,979 --> 01:19:07,259
for him to relieve his frustrations bent
2077
01:19:04,319 --> 01:19:08,639
his rage and wield his power
2078
01:19:07,260 --> 01:19:10,800
as soon as he was alone with their
2079
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:13,140
corpses he would undress them and have
2080
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:16,079
sex with them then he would employ the
2081
01:19:13,140 --> 01:19:18,079
hacksaw and cut them into pieces if he
2082
01:19:16,079 --> 01:19:20,640
was at home he did this in the bathroom
2083
01:19:18,079 --> 01:19:22,198
fastidiously washing each body part and
2084
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:24,960
draining it of blood to keep it from
2085
01:19:22,198 --> 01:19:27,419
smelling he left no fingerprints in the
2086
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:29,340
dried blood he learned all this from
2087
01:19:27,420 --> 01:19:32,100
carefully reading the notorious crimes
2088
01:19:29,340 --> 01:19:34,560
of Dean Coral who murdered 17 young boys
2089
01:19:32,100 --> 01:19:37,620
in Houston wrapped them up in trash bags
2090
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:40,080
and buried them kareny studied Coral's
2091
01:19:37,619 --> 01:19:41,880
heinous crimes and collected newspaper
2092
01:19:40,079 --> 01:19:43,679
clippings as news of his torture and
2093
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:45,600
murder spree came to a violent
2094
01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:47,699
conclusion when one of his vicious
2095
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,480
accomplices killed Coral with his own
2096
01:19:47,698 --> 01:19:50,698
gun
2097
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:52,678
most of kearney's victims reminded him
2098
01:19:50,698 --> 01:19:54,799
of the type of person who had given him
2099
01:19:52,679 --> 01:19:58,739
a bad time during his teenage years
2100
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:59,940
blonde and arrogant sometimes after he
2101
01:19:58,738 --> 01:20:02,399
killed them and had sex with their
2102
01:19:59,939 --> 01:20:04,500
corpses he would beat them Patrick
2103
01:20:02,399 --> 01:20:05,759
Kearney wasn't the only one killing
2104
01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:08,640
young people in Southern California
2105
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:11,159
during this time the hillside stranglers
2106
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:13,800
Angelo buono and his equally psychotic
2107
01:20:11,158 --> 01:20:15,859
cousin Kenneth Bianchi were plying their
2108
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:18,480
trade in the same area at the same time
2109
01:20:15,859 --> 01:20:20,880
abducting young girls torturing them
2110
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:23,519
strangling them and dumping their bodies
2111
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:25,679
wherever convenient Zodiac Killer was on
2112
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:28,560
the loose taunting police and reigning
2113
01:20:25,679 --> 01:20:30,359
Terror with his random murders the zebra
2114
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:33,239
killers were randomly hacking people to
2115
01:20:30,359 --> 01:20:35,698
death with machetes in San Francisco and
2116
01:20:33,238 --> 01:20:37,799
closer to home Randy craft was proving
2117
01:20:35,698 --> 01:20:39,539
to be one of the all-time most demented
2118
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:41,340
killers of gays with his
2119
01:20:39,539 --> 01:20:44,460
incomprehensible sadistic torture
2120
01:20:41,340 --> 01:20:46,679
methods William bonan with a sidekick
2121
01:20:44,460 --> 01:20:48,840
Vernon butts was also committing
2122
01:20:46,679 --> 01:20:51,239
horribly grisly murders on young gay men
2123
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:53,880
and discarding the remains alongside the
2124
01:20:51,238 --> 01:20:56,039
freeways no wonder the police were
2125
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:58,260
confused they didn't know how many
2126
01:20:56,039 --> 01:21:00,238
serial killers they had and they didn't
2127
01:20:58,260 --> 01:21:01,199
know how many of them were copycat
2128
01:21:00,238 --> 01:21:04,319
murders
2129
01:21:01,198 --> 01:21:06,059
but as the body count Rose they noticed
2130
01:21:04,319 --> 01:21:09,000
some Market differences in the modus
2131
01:21:06,060 --> 01:21:11,280
operandi one murderer later to be
2132
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:14,219
identified as Randy craft routinely
2133
01:21:11,279 --> 01:21:16,679
picked up hitchhikers gays Marines or
2134
01:21:14,219 --> 01:21:19,319
whoever caught his fancy he then drugged
2135
01:21:16,679 --> 01:21:21,119
them tortured them for hours and ended
2136
01:21:19,319 --> 01:21:23,639
up by castrating them and shoving
2137
01:21:21,119 --> 01:21:26,460
whatever was handy a broom handle a tree
2138
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:29,340
branch a pole the victim's own genitals
2139
01:21:26,460 --> 01:21:31,020
or underwear into their rectums he
2140
01:21:29,340 --> 01:21:34,440
usually did this while the victim was
2141
01:21:31,020 --> 01:21:36,659
still alive and screaming William bonan
2142
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:38,759
strangled his victims with rope cord or
2143
01:21:36,658 --> 01:21:40,439
the victim's t-shirt before ripping the
2144
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:42,840
corpses and throwing the bodies to the
2145
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:44,339
side of the road but one killer stood
2146
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:46,500
out from the others by carefully
2147
01:21:44,340 --> 01:21:49,319
dismembering his victims cleaning them
2148
01:21:46,500 --> 01:21:52,439
up and tidally bagging them the Press
2149
01:21:49,319 --> 01:21:54,960
called these the trash bag murders the
2150
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:56,099
homicide cops called them the bag
2151
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:58,560
murders
2152
01:21:56,100 --> 01:22:01,440
some experts claim that serial killing
2153
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:03,300
is an addiction once they begin killing
2154
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:05,579
and sometimes they kill the first time
2155
01:22:03,300 --> 01:22:07,500
by accident serial killers find
2156
01:22:05,579 --> 01:22:09,479
themselves addicted to murder in an
2157
01:22:07,500 --> 01:22:12,119
intense cycle that begins with homicidal
2158
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:14,579
sexual fantasies that in turn spark a
2159
01:22:12,119 --> 01:22:16,619
desperate search for crimes leading to a
2160
01:22:14,579 --> 01:22:18,479
brutal killing followed by a period of
2161
01:22:16,619 --> 01:22:20,939
cooling off and a return to a normal
2162
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:23,639
daily routine with all its unbearable
2163
01:22:20,939 --> 01:22:25,619
stresses disappointments and hurts which
2164
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:27,500
lead back to the re-emerging need to
2165
01:22:25,619 --> 01:22:30,479
start fantasizing about killing again
2166
01:22:27,500 --> 01:22:31,859
once a killing cycle is triggered it is
2167
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:34,139
rarely broken
2168
01:22:31,859 --> 01:22:36,238
with time trapped in this addiction
2169
01:22:34,140 --> 01:22:38,400
cycle serial killers become more
2170
01:22:36,238 --> 01:22:40,439
frenzied and the frequency and violence
2171
01:22:38,399 --> 01:22:43,019
of their murders escalate exponentially
2172
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:45,599
until they're either caught or burnout
2173
01:22:43,020 --> 01:22:47,760
the killer reaches a point where killing
2174
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:49,500
no longer satisfies them and they stop
2175
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:51,239
on their own accord if nothing else
2176
01:22:49,500 --> 01:22:53,698
interrupts their killing career
2177
01:22:51,238 --> 01:22:55,979
some commit suicide move on to commit
2178
01:22:53,698 --> 01:22:56,759
other crimes or turn themselves into the
2179
01:22:55,979 --> 01:23:00,178
police
2180
01:22:56,760 --> 01:23:04,079
a study of 326 U.S male serial killers
2181
01:23:00,179 --> 01:23:06,179
between 1800 and 1995 concluded that 87
2182
01:23:04,079 --> 01:23:09,719
percent had killed at least one stranger
2183
01:23:06,179 --> 01:23:12,119
and 70 percent killed only strangers
2184
01:23:09,719 --> 01:23:14,819
the most prolific serial killers also
2185
01:23:12,119 --> 01:23:16,500
tend to be the most organized they
2186
01:23:14,819 --> 01:23:18,719
methodically stalk their victims for the
2187
01:23:16,500 --> 01:23:20,880
best opportunity to strike so as not to
2188
01:23:18,719 --> 01:23:23,939
be seen and they smartly dump the bodies
2189
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:26,279
far away so as not to leave any clues
2190
01:23:23,939 --> 01:23:27,960
although anyone can be targeted victims
2191
01:23:26,279 --> 01:23:30,019
of serial killers tend to be the most
2192
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:33,239
vulnerable in society children
2193
01:23:30,020 --> 01:23:35,520
prostitutes and the elderly but the most
2194
01:23:33,238 --> 01:23:37,198
striking and intriguing aspect of Serial
2195
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:39,600
murderers is the nature of their
2196
01:23:37,198 --> 01:23:42,899
motivation to satisfy an intense
2197
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:44,760
appetite for power and sadism the serial
2198
01:23:42,899 --> 01:23:47,819
murderer tends to kill not for love
2199
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:51,000
money or Revenge but just for the fun of
2200
01:23:47,819 --> 01:23:53,460
it because it makes him feel good
2201
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:55,140
because John LeMay told his neighbor
2202
01:23:53,460 --> 01:23:57,480
that he was going to visit someone named
2203
01:23:55,140 --> 01:23:59,400
Dave in Redondo Beach police equated
2204
01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:01,259
that name with a name that regularly
2205
01:23:59,399 --> 01:24:03,658
appeared in the sign-in sheets at the
2206
01:24:01,260 --> 01:24:05,640
gay bath houses and soon was knocking on
2207
01:24:03,658 --> 01:24:08,698
the door of the modest Kearney Hill home
2208
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:11,100
in Redondo kernian Hill welcomed them in
2209
01:24:08,698 --> 01:24:13,678
and seemed to be relaxed concerned about
2210
01:24:11,100 --> 01:24:16,199
the missing boy and totally innocent
2211
01:24:13,679 --> 01:24:17,880
while there though investigators help
2212
01:24:16,198 --> 01:24:19,919
themselves to a few carpet fibers
2213
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:21,960
because For the first time in a trash
2214
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:23,520
bag murder carpet fibers have been
2215
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:28,560
caught up in the nylon filament tape
2216
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:30,239
used seal the bags the fibers matched as
2217
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:32,159
soon as the police left Kearney
2218
01:24:30,238 --> 01:24:34,619
destroyed all the files he'd kept on
2219
01:24:32,158 --> 01:24:36,179
Dean Coral the police came back and
2220
01:24:34,619 --> 01:24:38,399
asked for samples of both kearneys and
2221
01:24:36,179 --> 01:24:42,119
Hills pubic hair as well as hairs from
2222
01:24:38,399 --> 01:24:43,619
their dog the pair cooperated fully all
2223
01:24:42,119 --> 01:24:46,380
the fibers and hair matched evidence
2224
01:24:43,619 --> 01:24:48,238
left on lemay's body but when the cops
2225
01:24:46,380 --> 01:24:51,840
came back again this time with a search
2226
01:24:48,238 --> 01:24:54,539
warrant the couple was gone police found
2227
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:56,159
a hacksaw with a fresh clean blade but
2228
01:24:54,539 --> 01:24:57,719
little bits of Blood and Tissue were
2229
01:24:56,158 --> 01:25:00,839
caught up in the corners
2230
01:24:57,719 --> 01:25:02,600
John lemay's Blood and Tissue they found
2231
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:05,520
residual blood all over the bathroom
2232
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:08,340
invisible to the naked eye but clearly
2233
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:10,800
there under forensic examination they
2234
01:25:08,340 --> 01:25:12,300
found familiar nylon filament tape and a
2235
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:14,219
search of kearney's office at Hughes
2236
01:25:12,300 --> 01:25:16,440
aircraft offered up a source of the
2237
01:25:14,219 --> 01:25:19,079
exact same trash bags used in what was
2238
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:21,479
looking like upward of 20 murders
2239
01:25:19,079 --> 01:25:24,359
a good public relations campaign can be
2240
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:26,579
hard for a criminal to outrun most
2241
01:25:24,359 --> 01:25:28,439
notably victims families use public
2242
01:25:26,579 --> 01:25:30,600
relations as a tool to ferret out
2243
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:32,359
information from the public and to keep
2244
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:35,280
pressure on the investigative bodies
2245
01:25:32,359 --> 01:25:36,960
tearful press conferences like those the
2246
01:25:35,279 --> 01:25:39,300
families of Lacey Peterson Natalie
2247
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:41,640
Holloway and Brooke wilberger held keep
2248
01:25:39,300 --> 01:25:44,699
the story in the public eye and keep the
2249
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:46,619
local police on their toes Amber Alerts
2250
01:25:44,698 --> 01:25:48,899
and the America's Most Wanted television
2251
01:25:46,619 --> 01:25:52,079
show turned citizens into amateur
2252
01:25:48,899 --> 01:25:54,719
sleuths rewards like those posted by
2253
01:25:52,079 --> 01:25:55,979
families or by Oprah Winfrey tend to
2254
01:25:54,719 --> 01:25:58,139
capture the attention of the viewing
2255
01:25:55,979 --> 01:26:00,779
public an outgrowth of which is a better
2256
01:25:58,139 --> 01:26:03,179
informed citizenry and fewer places for
2257
01:26:00,779 --> 01:26:05,158
a fugitive to hide the Hillside
2258
01:26:03,179 --> 01:26:07,260
Strangler investigation task force was
2259
01:26:05,158 --> 01:26:09,960
construed as a public relations vehicle
2260
01:26:07,260 --> 01:26:11,820
the Los Angeles Police Department going
2261
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:13,980
through the usual high-profile motions
2262
01:26:11,819 --> 01:26:15,479
to reassure the public set up a special
2263
01:26:13,979 --> 01:26:17,459
task force which included the
2264
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:19,138
investigating officers from the Glendale
2265
01:26:17,460 --> 01:26:21,539
Police Department and the Los Angeles
2266
01:26:19,139 --> 01:26:23,819
sheriff's department not that they had
2267
01:26:21,539 --> 01:26:25,800
anything new to go on but all the busy
2268
01:26:23,819 --> 01:26:27,299
commotion and news conferences looked
2269
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:29,760
good on television
2270
01:26:27,300 --> 01:26:32,460
the pressure was on Kearny and Hill too
2271
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:35,159
with their photographs posted on posters
2272
01:26:32,460 --> 01:26:37,980
when the heat was clearly on Kearney and
2273
01:26:35,158 --> 01:26:40,619
Hill flew to El Paso Texas but knew that
2274
01:26:37,979 --> 01:26:42,959
life on the lamb was not for them the
2275
01:26:40,619 --> 01:26:43,920
cops knew who they were and what they
2276
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:45,960
looked like
2277
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:48,960
at the behest of relatives the pair
2278
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:52,260
returned to California and at 1 30 pm on
2279
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:54,420
July 1 1977 walked into Riverside County
2280
01:26:52,260 --> 01:26:56,520
Sheriff's Office pointed at a wanted
2281
01:26:54,420 --> 01:26:59,340
poster with their pictures on it and
2282
01:26:56,520 --> 01:27:01,199
said we're them they were booked on
2283
01:26:59,340 --> 01:27:02,699
suspicion of two murders and had been
2284
01:27:01,198 --> 01:27:05,158
wanted for questioning in connection
2285
01:27:02,698 --> 01:27:06,779
with six other slayings
2286
01:27:05,158 --> 01:27:09,420
they were arraigned on the two murder
2287
01:27:06,779 --> 01:27:12,420
charges Bale was set at five hundred
2288
01:27:09,420 --> 01:27:14,100
thousand dollars each Kearney cooperated
2289
01:27:12,420 --> 01:27:16,560
fully with the police
2290
01:27:14,100 --> 01:27:18,600
he said the murders excited him and gave
2291
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:20,340
him a feeling of dominance
2292
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:23,460
the idea of hurting and killing someone
2293
01:27:20,340 --> 01:27:24,960
sounded sexually exciting when officers
2294
01:27:23,460 --> 01:27:26,520
skrilled him about picking up Marines
2295
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:28,920
and feeding pills and booze to his
2296
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:31,980
victims they got a blank look from him
2297
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:34,139
they persisted wanting to know if he had
2298
01:27:31,979 --> 01:27:36,959
ever put anything but his penis into his
2299
01:27:34,139 --> 01:27:38,579
victim's rectums he used towels to keep
2300
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:40,079
the bodies from leaking all over his
2301
01:27:38,579 --> 01:27:42,719
bathroom before he dismembered them
2302
01:27:40,079 --> 01:27:44,880
Kearney told them the police persisted
2303
01:27:42,719 --> 01:27:46,439
hoping to put to rest more of their
2304
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:48,600
freeway Mysteries
2305
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:50,460
how about torture did he Ram anything
2306
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:53,039
into an anus for the sheer pleasure of
2307
01:27:50,460 --> 01:27:56,100
it recognition crossed kearney's face
2308
01:27:53,039 --> 01:27:59,039
and he shook his head I am not the
2309
01:27:56,100 --> 01:28:01,020
wooden stake he said he knew exactly
2310
01:27:59,039 --> 01:28:03,119
what the detectives were getting at but
2311
01:28:01,020 --> 01:28:06,360
impaling strangling and torturing his
2312
01:28:03,119 --> 01:28:09,479
victims wasn't his style a Bullet to the
2313
01:28:06,359 --> 01:28:11,279
Head was clean and simple he seemed
2314
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:12,899
offended that he would be confused with
2315
01:28:11,279 --> 01:28:14,759
Randy craft
2316
01:28:12,899 --> 01:28:18,359
the trash bag murders investigation
2317
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:20,940
began officially on April 13 1975 when
2318
01:28:18,359 --> 01:28:23,759
the body of Albert Rivera 21 of Los
2319
01:28:20,939 --> 01:28:26,279
Angeles was found near Highway 74 East
2320
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:29,219
of San Juan Capistrano in a heavy duty
2321
01:28:26,279 --> 01:28:30,840
trash bag but according to Kearney in a
2322
01:28:29,219 --> 01:28:32,760
series of letters confessions and
2323
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:34,980
conversations with the police the
2324
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:37,920
killing began much earlier in the
2325
01:28:34,979 --> 01:28:39,658
mid-60s in Tijuana and San Diego
2326
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:41,819
he led them to the site where he had
2327
01:28:39,658 --> 01:28:44,460
Buried one of his first victims known
2328
01:28:41,819 --> 01:28:46,979
only as George behind his and Hills
2329
01:28:44,460 --> 01:28:50,039
Culver City Apartment the victim was
2330
01:28:46,979 --> 01:28:52,198
killed around Christmas 1968. the police
2331
01:28:50,039 --> 01:28:54,119
dug where Kearney indicated and came up
2332
01:28:52,198 --> 01:28:57,299
with a skeleton with a single Bullet
2333
01:28:54,119 --> 01:28:59,579
Hole in its skull after killing George a
2334
01:28:57,300 --> 01:29:00,360
paranoid Tierney laid low for over a
2335
01:28:59,579 --> 01:29:03,000
year
2336
01:29:00,359 --> 01:29:04,920
nobody came knocking on his door and he
2337
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:06,300
realized that he had actually gotten
2338
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:08,100
away with murder
2339
01:29:06,300 --> 01:29:10,440
a neighbor said he occasionally heard
2340
01:29:08,100 --> 01:29:12,239
what she thought were gunshots but had
2341
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:15,119
no idea they came from the kernian Hill
2342
01:29:12,238 --> 01:29:17,099
apartment after his arrest Kearney wrote
2343
01:29:15,119 --> 01:29:19,559
letters to the police detailing the
2344
01:29:17,100 --> 01:29:22,320
crimes the names of the victims and the
2345
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:24,120
places the bodies could be found an 18th
2346
01:29:22,319 --> 01:29:26,579
count of murder was filed the same day
2347
01:29:24,119 --> 01:29:30,300
that the 13th Hillside Strangler victim
2348
01:29:26,579 --> 01:29:32,039
was found as to John LeMay Hill wasn't
2349
01:29:30,300 --> 01:29:34,320
home when his young lover came to the
2350
01:29:32,039 --> 01:29:35,340
house so Kearney invited him in to watch
2351
01:29:34,319 --> 01:29:38,039
television
2352
01:29:35,340 --> 01:29:39,900
without provocation Kearney shot Lemay
2353
01:29:38,039 --> 01:29:42,600
in the back of the head and later dumped
2354
01:29:39,899 --> 01:29:44,638
his remains in the desert he liked using
2355
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:46,860
the desert the desert animals and
2356
01:29:44,639 --> 01:29:49,139
insects removed evidence quickly and
2357
01:29:46,859 --> 01:29:50,880
efficiently things disappear very
2358
01:29:49,139 --> 01:29:53,400
rapidly in the desert he told
2359
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:55,800
investigators you can put a small animal
2360
01:29:53,399 --> 01:29:57,479
on an ant hill and it disappears right
2361
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:59,579
in front of your eyes
2362
01:29:57,479 --> 01:30:01,259
Kearney once had a flat tire during one
2363
01:29:59,579 --> 01:30:03,539
of his drives to the desert to dispose
2364
01:30:01,260 --> 01:30:05,940
of a body when he discovered that the
2365
01:30:03,539 --> 01:30:07,380
spare was flat too he had to call a tow
2366
01:30:05,939 --> 01:30:08,279
truck to get his car to a service
2367
01:30:07,380 --> 01:30:10,739
station
2368
01:30:08,279 --> 01:30:12,719
Kearney stood by Sweating Bullets while
2369
01:30:10,738 --> 01:30:14,279
the attendant fixed the flat never
2370
01:30:12,719 --> 01:30:18,179
questioning the bags in the back seat
2371
01:30:14,279 --> 01:30:19,559
which contained arms legs a rib cage and
2372
01:30:18,179 --> 01:30:21,899
some intestines
2373
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:24,360
another time he locked his keys in the
2374
01:30:21,899 --> 01:30:26,519
car while inspecting possible dump sites
2375
01:30:24,359 --> 01:30:28,319
it took him hours to Jimmy open the lock
2376
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:30,600
with a coat hanger nervously looking
2377
01:30:28,319 --> 01:30:33,000
over his shoulder the whole time freshly
2378
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:35,520
filled trash bags again in the back seat
2379
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:37,639
as soon as the bags were unloaded though
2380
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:41,159
he felt an enormous sense of relief
2381
01:30:37,639 --> 01:30:42,960
accomplishment and power after hearing
2382
01:30:41,158 --> 01:30:45,119
three hours of evidence the Riverside
2383
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:47,520
County grand jury refused to indict
2384
01:30:45,119 --> 01:30:49,679
David Hill public defender Malcolm
2385
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:51,780
McMillan spirited him out of jail under
2386
01:30:49,679 --> 01:30:53,699
cloak of secrecy to protect him from
2387
01:30:51,779 --> 01:30:56,219
reporters and photographers
2388
01:30:53,698 --> 01:30:58,259
he'll fled California and return to
2389
01:30:56,219 --> 01:31:01,739
Lubbock Riverside District Attorney
2390
01:30:58,260 --> 01:31:04,800
Byron Morton said the evidence against
2391
01:31:01,738 --> 01:31:06,238
Mr Hill was weak adding that much of the
2392
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:09,020
information Unearthed by Riverside
2393
01:31:06,238 --> 01:31:11,279
investigators tended to exonerate Hill
2394
01:31:09,020 --> 01:31:13,620
MacMillan said he was not surprised the
2395
01:31:11,279 --> 01:31:15,059
grand jury refused to indict Hill adding
2396
01:31:13,619 --> 01:31:16,738
that he didn't think there is sufficient
2397
01:31:15,060 --> 01:31:19,080
evidence to hold him to answer in
2398
01:31:16,738 --> 01:31:21,599
Superior Court Kearney said that hill
2399
01:31:19,079 --> 01:31:22,500
was neither involved in nor aware of the
2400
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,239
murders
2401
01:31:22,500 --> 01:31:27,119
he said that he committed all the
2402
01:31:24,238 --> 01:31:29,099
murders while Hill was away did Kearney
2403
01:31:27,119 --> 01:31:32,760
take all the blame to free an innocent
2404
01:31:29,100 --> 01:31:35,579
man or to absolve his lover is it likely
2405
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:37,560
that hill was innocent against the
2406
01:31:35,579 --> 01:31:39,899
advice of his attorney Patrick Kearney
2407
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:42,480
changed his not guilty plea to a plea of
2408
01:31:39,899 --> 01:31:44,638
guilty his attorney advised him to plead
2409
01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:46,138
not guilty by reason of insanity but
2410
01:31:44,639 --> 01:31:48,480
Kearney pleaded guilty to the original
2411
01:31:46,139 --> 01:31:50,460
Three charges of murder and asked to be
2412
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:52,500
sentenced immediately in an apparent
2413
01:31:50,460 --> 01:31:55,739
move to avoid California's death penalty
2414
01:31:52,500 --> 01:31:57,738
his actions were moot the death penalty
2415
01:31:55,738 --> 01:32:00,718
law didn't go into effect until August
2416
01:31:57,738 --> 01:32:03,178
1977. all of kearney's homicides
2417
01:32:00,719 --> 01:32:05,698
predated that time so the death penalty
2418
01:32:03,179 --> 01:32:08,460
was never an option for prosecutors
2419
01:32:05,698 --> 01:32:10,559
Superior Judge John Hughes handed down a
2420
01:32:08,460 --> 01:32:12,060
life term with the possibility of parole
2421
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:14,699
in seven years
2422
01:32:12,060 --> 01:32:16,560
judge Breckenridge said this defendant
2423
01:32:14,698 --> 01:32:19,198
has certainly perpetrated a series of
2424
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:21,000
ghastly and grisly crimes
2425
01:32:19,198 --> 01:32:23,879
I can only hope the community release
2426
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:26,880
board will never release Mr Kearney he
2427
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:28,859
appears to be an insult to humanity for
2428
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:31,319
what seems to be approximately 32
2429
01:32:28,859 --> 01:32:34,198
murders Kearney was eventually charged
2430
01:32:31,319 --> 01:32:37,198
with 21 counts of murder and received 21
2431
01:32:34,198 --> 01:32:39,178
life sentences if all of his confessions
2432
01:32:37,198 --> 01:32:42,119
are truthful he also murdered two
2433
01:32:39,179 --> 01:32:43,619
children ages 5 and 8 along with four
2434
01:32:42,119 --> 01:32:46,198
victims whose bodies were never
2435
01:32:43,619 --> 01:32:49,559
recovered at least seven of his victims
2436
01:32:46,198 --> 01:32:51,419
remain unidentified Patrick Kearney is
2437
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:52,380
today living out his life sentences in
2438
01:32:51,420 --> 01:32:54,719
California
2439
01:32:52,380 --> 01:32:57,300
he writes essays and has a few of them
2440
01:32:54,719 --> 01:32:59,279
published the trash bag murders are
2441
01:32:57,300 --> 01:33:01,980
considered among the most heinous crimes
2442
01:32:59,279 --> 01:33:04,259
of the 20th century Patrick kearney's
2443
01:33:01,979 --> 01:33:07,559
swath of death ranks him with the likes
2444
01:33:04,260 --> 01:33:10,860
of Jerry brudos Ted Bundy Jeffrey Dahmer
2445
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:14,159
and John Wayne Gacy if he hadn't gotten
2446
01:33:10,859 --> 01:33:18,859
sloppy consciously or unconsciously he'd
2447
01:33:14,158 --> 01:33:18,859
probably still be doing it today
2448
01:33:20,819 --> 01:33:25,319
in the suburb of Melbourne Australia
2449
01:33:22,979 --> 01:33:28,319
known as Frankston during a span of
2450
01:33:25,319 --> 01:33:30,599
weeks in the summer of 1993 two teenage
2451
01:33:28,319 --> 01:33:32,819
girls and a young adult woman lost their
2452
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:35,039
lives at the hands of a violent serial
2453
01:33:32,819 --> 01:33:37,799
killer and another middle-aged woman was
2454
01:33:35,039 --> 01:33:39,779
attacked but managed to survive
2455
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:41,460
since none of the victims were linked to
2456
01:33:39,779 --> 01:33:43,619
one another except for their location
2457
01:33:41,460 --> 01:33:46,198
which was less than an hour from
2458
01:33:43,619 --> 01:33:48,119
Melbourne in Southeastern Victoria the
2459
01:33:46,198 --> 01:33:50,519
crimes were not initially connected for
2460
01:33:48,119 --> 01:33:52,319
certain but eventually police highly
2461
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:54,780
suspected they were in pursuit of a
2462
01:33:52,319 --> 01:33:56,639
single serial killer in these cases who
2463
01:33:54,779 --> 01:33:59,579
was in the habit of choosing victims
2464
01:33:56,639 --> 01:34:01,440
randomly and stabbing them to death the
2465
01:33:59,579 --> 01:34:03,059
community would soon find out that the
2466
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:06,000
killer was someone who had lived among
2467
01:34:03,060 --> 01:34:09,420
them for a while a 21 year old man named
2468
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:11,760
Paul Charles denier at six feet tall and
2469
01:34:09,420 --> 01:34:14,279
being overweight as well he definitely
2470
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:15,840
looked like an imposing Force but it was
2471
01:34:14,279 --> 01:34:18,000
his complete lack of emotion when
2472
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:21,119
arrested that revealed how devoid of
2473
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:23,158
humanity he really was while some have
2474
01:34:21,119 --> 01:34:25,559
described denier's resembling Canadian
2475
01:34:23,158 --> 01:34:27,539
actor John Candy who was famous for his
2476
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:29,219
role in numerous comedies such as planes
2477
01:34:27,539 --> 01:34:31,500
trails and Automobiles The Blues
2478
01:34:29,219 --> 01:34:34,439
Brothers Uncle Buck and Cool Runnings
2479
01:34:31,500 --> 01:34:36,420
and 40 other films the similarities
2480
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:39,299
stopped at the physical level
2481
01:34:36,420 --> 01:34:41,940
denier was no animal lover nor a family
2482
01:34:39,300 --> 01:34:44,699
man as his celebrity lookalike had been
2483
01:34:41,939 --> 01:34:47,039
in fact denier's history involves the
2484
01:34:44,698 --> 01:34:49,799
same telltale signs as many other serial
2485
01:34:47,039 --> 01:34:52,920
killers animal abuse being prominent in
2486
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:54,539
his childhood as for movies denier much
2487
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:57,000
preferred those centered around blood
2488
01:34:54,539 --> 01:34:59,219
and gore rather than comedy supposedly
2489
01:34:57,000 --> 01:35:02,279
watching and re-watching many times
2490
01:34:59,219 --> 01:35:04,679
films like The Stepfather Halloween and
2491
01:35:02,279 --> 01:35:06,420
fear he admitted to the police that he
2492
01:35:04,679 --> 01:35:08,699
had had the urge to kill for the better
2493
01:35:06,420 --> 01:35:10,800
part of his adolescence claiming since
2494
01:35:08,698 --> 01:35:13,439
just 14 years of age
2495
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:16,020
I've always wanted a kill waiting for
2496
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:19,079
the right time waiting for that silent
2497
01:35:16,020 --> 01:35:21,000
alarm to trigger me off this culminated
2498
01:35:19,079 --> 01:35:22,679
seven years later
2499
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:25,679
born to British parents who had
2500
01:35:22,679 --> 01:35:27,719
immigrated to Australia in 1965 Paul
2501
01:35:25,679 --> 01:35:32,399
Charles denier arrived into this world
2502
01:35:27,719 --> 01:35:34,619
on April 14 1972 in Sydney Maureen and
2503
01:35:32,399 --> 01:35:36,658
Anthony denier had two older boys at the
2504
01:35:34,619 --> 01:35:39,779
time and would have another boy and a
2505
01:35:36,658 --> 01:35:41,399
girl after Paul as an infant Paul was
2506
01:35:39,779 --> 01:35:43,800
said to have taken a fall off a bench
2507
01:35:41,399 --> 01:35:45,479
bumping his head and so there was a
2508
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:47,699
running family joke blaming anything
2509
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:50,039
Paul did that was out of the ordinary on
2510
01:35:47,698 --> 01:35:52,678
the incident while that teasing occurred
2511
01:35:50,039 --> 01:35:54,420
at home in school denier at first
2512
01:35:52,679 --> 01:35:56,279
struggled to socialize with others in
2513
01:35:54,420 --> 01:35:58,920
kindergarten even though he seemed to
2514
01:35:56,279 --> 01:36:02,039
adjust by the end of the year even so
2515
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:04,500
the family's move in 1981 was not an
2516
01:36:02,039 --> 01:36:06,359
easy adjustment for tenure the move had
2517
01:36:04,500 --> 01:36:08,219
been brought about by Anthony denier's
2518
01:36:06,359 --> 01:36:10,859
work he was taking a management position
2519
01:36:08,219 --> 01:36:12,779
at the stake place on Center Road in
2520
01:36:10,859 --> 01:36:15,238
South Oakley which was on the Frankston
2521
01:36:12,779 --> 01:36:16,500
train line while all of the denier
2522
01:36:15,238 --> 01:36:18,959
children had a hard time leaving
2523
01:36:16,500 --> 01:36:20,579
Campbellton Paul denier was said to be a
2524
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:23,340
completely different child at his new
2525
01:36:20,579 --> 01:36:25,319
school Northvale primary he was
2526
01:36:23,340 --> 01:36:27,960
described as a loner as a lacking
2527
01:36:25,319 --> 01:36:30,179
self-confidence and is being unmotivated
2528
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:32,399
in his studies his fiscal
2529
01:36:30,179 --> 01:36:34,920
characteristics didn't help denyer blend
2530
01:36:32,399 --> 01:36:37,399
in much either he was noticeably tall
2531
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:40,319
and also much heavier than other kids
2532
01:36:37,399 --> 01:36:42,420
his interests also put him at odds with
2533
01:36:40,319 --> 01:36:45,779
the norm collecting knives and homemade
2534
01:36:42,420 --> 01:36:48,060
slingshots as well as clubs using a
2535
01:36:45,779 --> 01:36:50,698
homemade knife denier split the throats
2536
01:36:48,060 --> 01:36:52,440
of his sister's teddy bears as if
2537
01:36:50,698 --> 01:36:54,839
destroying his siblings toys were not
2538
01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:56,819
disturbing enough he moved on a tent to
2539
01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:58,440
stab and slit the throat of the family's
2540
01:36:56,819 --> 01:37:00,539
kitten with his brother's pocket knife
2541
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:03,599
proceeding to hang it then from a tree
2542
01:37:00,539 --> 01:37:05,819
in their backyard later on it came about
2543
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:08,219
that denier had also treated a friend's
2544
01:37:05,819 --> 01:37:10,079
cat in a similar manner slaughtering it
2545
01:37:08,219 --> 01:37:12,359
and then he slid the throats of its
2546
01:37:10,079 --> 01:37:15,238
kittens multiple counts of animal
2547
01:37:12,359 --> 01:37:17,219
cruelty he even allegedly slaughtered
2548
01:37:15,238 --> 01:37:18,779
and dismembered two goats in a paddock
2549
01:37:17,219 --> 01:37:21,719
next door to his last place of
2550
01:37:18,779 --> 01:37:23,939
employment a marine Workshop he was
2551
01:37:21,719 --> 01:37:26,039
fired though as his employer felt he
2552
01:37:23,939 --> 01:37:27,779
didn't spend much time working and
2553
01:37:26,039 --> 01:37:30,238
instead poured his time into a hobby of
2554
01:37:27,779 --> 01:37:32,340
making knives at the job site other
2555
01:37:30,238 --> 01:37:34,859
crimes started piling up on denier's
2556
01:37:32,340 --> 01:37:36,960
record as he entered his teens including
2557
01:37:34,859 --> 01:37:39,299
car theft although he was only given a
2558
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:41,219
warning for that just a couple of months
2559
01:37:39,300 --> 01:37:44,880
later he was charged with a false report
2560
01:37:41,219 --> 01:37:47,399
of a fire theft and willful damage he
2561
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:49,380
was in trouble again and again
2562
01:37:47,399 --> 01:37:52,379
the crimes became more specifically
2563
01:37:49,380 --> 01:37:54,239
violent against humans and at age 15 he
2564
01:37:52,380 --> 01:37:56,880
was charged with assault when he coerced
2565
01:37:54,238 --> 01:37:58,319
another boy to masturbate publicly he
2566
01:37:56,880 --> 01:38:00,179
even lost employment due to his
2567
01:37:58,319 --> 01:38:02,099
treatment of people having allegedly
2568
01:38:00,179 --> 01:38:03,600
assaulted a woman and child with a line
2569
01:38:02,100 --> 01:38:06,360
of shopping trolleys at Safeway
2570
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:08,940
supermarket Safeway did open a different
2571
01:38:06,359 --> 01:38:10,799
chapter in denir's life though as he met
2572
01:38:08,939 --> 01:38:14,158
Sharon Johnson while at work there in
2573
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:15,960
1992. this would have been as close to a
2574
01:38:14,158 --> 01:38:18,599
normal relationship as he would ever
2575
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:20,698
have other jobs never gave him a chance
2576
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:22,980
such as the time he applied to the
2577
01:38:20,698 --> 01:38:25,678
Victorian police force perhaps
2578
01:38:22,979 --> 01:38:28,500
fortunately he was rejected citing his
2579
01:38:25,679 --> 01:38:30,600
being unfit physically unable to hold
2580
01:38:28,500 --> 01:38:32,880
down a job only added to the signs of
2581
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:34,920
being a social outcast and he continued
2582
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:37,859
to be obsessed with death or her murder
2583
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:40,679
movies and in general anything Macabre
2584
01:38:37,859 --> 01:38:42,839
during all of this denier moved in with
2585
01:38:40,679 --> 01:38:45,658
Sharon Johnson who lived in a flat on
2586
01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:47,639
Denon Road in Frankston denier was
2587
01:38:45,658 --> 01:38:50,219
jobless and had a great deal of
2588
01:38:47,639 --> 01:38:51,960
unfocused time on his hands while Sharon
2589
01:38:50,219 --> 01:38:54,779
was working two jobs to keep up with the
2590
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:57,239
bills not too long after denyer moved
2591
01:38:54,779 --> 01:38:59,399
into the flat disturbing things started
2592
01:38:57,238 --> 01:39:01,559
happening in the area a burglary
2593
01:38:59,399 --> 01:39:03,299
occurred in one flat and all of that
2594
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:05,820
tenant's engagement photos and clothes
2595
01:39:03,300 --> 01:39:07,860
had been slashed with a knife there were
2596
01:39:05,819 --> 01:39:10,439
also accusations of a Peeping Tom by
2597
01:39:07,859 --> 01:39:12,000
another tenant meanwhile Daniel and
2598
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:14,698
Johnson had become friends with yet
2599
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:17,279
another tenant Trisha who had a sister
2600
01:39:14,698 --> 01:39:19,619
named Donna Donna didn't live on the
2601
01:39:17,279 --> 01:39:22,439
same block but close enough by with her
2602
01:39:19,619 --> 01:39:24,300
newborn baby and her fiance Les who
2603
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:27,299
worked delivering pizzas late into the
2604
01:39:24,300 --> 01:39:29,520
night one evening Donna experienced a
2605
01:39:27,300 --> 01:39:32,219
series of unnerving prank calls and
2606
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:34,320
joined Les with a baby out for a while
2607
01:39:32,219 --> 01:39:36,179
upon all arriving back to their home for
2608
01:39:34,319 --> 01:39:38,519
the night after Les's work was complete
2609
01:39:36,179 --> 01:39:40,739
they were met with quite a horrific
2610
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:42,360
scene on the wall next to their
2611
01:39:40,738 --> 01:39:45,658
television was a message that appeared
2612
01:39:42,359 --> 01:39:48,599
to be written in blood dead Dawn and a
2613
01:39:45,658 --> 01:39:49,500
second message that read Donna you're
2614
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:51,360
dead
2615
01:39:49,500 --> 01:39:52,619
scattered along the floor across the
2616
01:39:51,359 --> 01:39:55,979
living room and kitchen were the
2617
01:39:52,619 --> 01:39:57,059
entrails of Donna's cats Buffy blood was
2618
01:39:55,979 --> 01:39:58,678
everywhere
2619
01:39:57,060 --> 01:40:00,539
draped over the bulk of the cat's
2620
01:39:58,679 --> 01:40:02,039
disemboweled body was a picture of a
2621
01:40:00,539 --> 01:40:04,560
bikini-clad woman
2622
01:40:02,039 --> 01:40:06,658
oddly one of Buffy's eyes was bulging
2623
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:09,179
from its socket while the other eye was
2624
01:40:06,658 --> 01:40:11,158
missing completely in a hauntingly
2625
01:40:09,179 --> 01:40:14,579
similar manner to another portion of the
2626
01:40:11,158 --> 01:40:16,619
story Buffy's kittens were not spared in
2627
01:40:14,579 --> 01:40:18,899
the bathroom the two kittens their
2628
01:40:16,619 --> 01:40:21,719
throats cut were lying in the baby's
2629
01:40:18,899 --> 01:40:24,238
bath which was full of bloodied water
2630
01:40:21,719 --> 01:40:26,698
no room untouched there's even blood
2631
01:40:24,238 --> 01:40:28,619
everywhere in the laundry room sprayed
2632
01:40:26,698 --> 01:40:31,500
all up the walls and even a freshly
2633
01:40:28,619 --> 01:40:33,539
laundered basket full of baby clothes in
2634
01:40:31,500 --> 01:40:36,119
another area the baby's clothing had
2635
01:40:33,539 --> 01:40:37,920
been slashed and destroyed as well the
2636
01:40:36,119 --> 01:40:40,019
flat itself had damages beyond the
2637
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:42,300
remains of The Cat in the kitchen
2638
01:40:40,020 --> 01:40:44,760
cupboard doors bore splintered holes
2639
01:40:42,300 --> 01:40:46,739
where someone had kicked them in the
2640
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:48,539
Intruder had opened every drawer and
2641
01:40:46,738 --> 01:40:50,638
clothes were ripped and strewn all
2642
01:40:48,539 --> 01:40:53,039
throughout the bedroom a collection of
2643
01:40:50,639 --> 01:40:55,020
centerfold Pinups that less had kept had
2644
01:40:53,039 --> 01:40:57,479
been slashed and stabbed with some sort
2645
01:40:55,020 --> 01:41:00,420
of a knife another photo of a semi-clad
2646
01:40:57,479 --> 01:41:03,359
model was found at the baby's crib the
2647
01:41:00,420 --> 01:41:05,340
words Donna and Robin had been sprayed
2648
01:41:03,359 --> 01:41:08,698
in white shaving foam on The Dressing
2649
01:41:05,340 --> 01:41:11,219
Table mirror who Robin was remained a
2650
01:41:08,698 --> 01:41:12,658
mystery as one might imagine Donna
2651
01:41:11,219 --> 01:41:14,698
couldn't bring herself to stay at the
2652
01:41:12,658 --> 01:41:17,279
flat ever again after that night in
2653
01:41:14,698 --> 01:41:19,379
February 1993 so she opted to stay
2654
01:41:17,279 --> 01:41:21,119
temporarily with her sister Trisha until
2655
01:41:19,380 --> 01:41:23,579
she found another place
2656
01:41:21,119 --> 01:41:25,619
Paul denier who knew Donna quite well
2657
01:41:23,579 --> 01:41:27,719
through Trisha had the gall to tell
2658
01:41:25,619 --> 01:41:29,579
Donna that she would be safe now even
2659
01:41:27,719 --> 01:41:31,859
going as far to say that if the police
2660
01:41:29,579 --> 01:41:33,600
found out who was responsible that he
2661
01:41:31,859 --> 01:41:36,238
would make it his mission to take care
2662
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:39,300
of them for her just a few months later
2663
01:41:36,238 --> 01:41:42,359
a series of events unfolded that tied
2664
01:41:39,300 --> 01:41:45,239
everything together in June Elizabeth
2665
01:41:42,359 --> 01:41:46,679
Stevens an 18 year old student was
2666
01:41:45,238 --> 01:41:49,019
reported by her aunt and uncle is
2667
01:41:46,679 --> 01:41:50,340
missing she'd been staying with them but
2668
01:41:49,020 --> 01:41:53,219
didn't return in the evening they
2669
01:41:50,340 --> 01:41:55,199
reported her unfortunately her body was
2670
01:41:53,219 --> 01:41:57,359
recovered in Lloyd Park just a short
2671
01:41:55,198 --> 01:42:00,238
drive from Frankston on cranbourne Road
2672
01:41:57,359 --> 01:42:04,618
in langwarin the next day Saturday June
2673
01:42:00,238 --> 01:42:06,539
12 1993. her injuries were numerous six
2674
01:42:04,618 --> 01:42:08,639
deep knife wounds had penetrated her
2675
01:42:06,539 --> 01:42:11,279
chest four Cuts ran from her breast
2676
01:42:08,639 --> 01:42:13,800
through her abdomen and four ran across
2677
01:42:11,279 --> 01:42:16,019
to form a crisscross pattern of squares
2678
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:18,840
her face had suffered cuts and abrasions
2679
01:42:16,020 --> 01:42:20,460
and her throat had been cut her nose
2680
01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:22,260
appeared to have been broken
2681
01:42:20,460 --> 01:42:24,779
although her bra was found around her
2682
01:42:22,260 --> 01:42:27,000
neck a postmortem exam indicated no
2683
01:42:24,779 --> 01:42:28,859
sexual intercourse had occurred as
2684
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:31,139
Elizabeth had no known involvement with
2685
01:42:28,859 --> 01:42:33,658
anyone who would have been violent her
2686
01:42:31,139 --> 01:42:35,340
murder was suspected to be at random as
2687
01:42:33,658 --> 01:42:38,279
police went to Great Lengths to find the
2688
01:42:35,340 --> 01:42:40,619
killer they spared no resources even
2689
01:42:38,279 --> 01:42:42,420
going so far as to display a life-size
2690
01:42:40,618 --> 01:42:44,158
mannequin at a roadblock near the bus
2691
01:42:42,420 --> 01:42:46,319
stop where the teenager had last been
2692
01:42:44,158 --> 01:42:47,879
seen hoping that new details would be
2693
01:42:46,319 --> 01:42:50,819
brought forward in the case and
2694
01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:52,859
therefore New Leads bus drivers and
2695
01:42:50,819 --> 01:42:54,420
passengers were questioned all of the
2696
01:42:52,859 --> 01:42:56,339
residents in the district were as well
2697
01:42:54,420 --> 01:42:58,500
even the local libraries were
2698
01:42:56,340 --> 01:43:02,340
investigated but no one seemed to know
2699
01:42:58,500 --> 01:43:05,039
anything more then in July on the 8th a
2700
01:43:02,340 --> 01:43:07,380
41 year old named rosatoth who worked as
2701
01:43:05,039 --> 01:43:08,939
a bank clerk was violently attacked on
2702
01:43:07,380 --> 01:43:11,340
her way home from Seaford in the
2703
01:43:08,939 --> 01:43:13,319
Frankston District her attacker claimed
2704
01:43:11,340 --> 01:43:15,900
to have a gun and attempted to force her
2705
01:43:13,319 --> 01:43:18,118
into the cover of the woods Mrs Toth
2706
01:43:15,899 --> 01:43:20,339
fought off her attacker despite him
2707
01:43:18,118 --> 01:43:22,259
ripping hair from her head she bit his
2708
01:43:20,340 --> 01:43:24,600
hands and continued fighting back until
2709
01:43:22,260 --> 01:43:26,760
he gave up and ran away at which point
2710
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:28,800
she merged with torn stockings and no
2711
01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:30,960
pants at a roadway where she caught the
2712
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:33,600
attention of a car that was approaching
2713
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:35,399
she escaped with her life that night and
2714
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:38,639
police assumed it was a purse snatching
2715
01:43:35,399 --> 01:43:40,319
gone wrong that same night a 22 year old
2716
01:43:38,639 --> 01:43:42,900
woman Was preparing dinner when she
2717
01:43:40,319 --> 01:43:45,118
realized she was out of milk she drove
2718
01:43:42,899 --> 01:43:47,219
to the store in Seaford but went missing
2719
01:43:45,118 --> 01:43:50,399
during the trip she was the mother of a
2720
01:43:47,219 --> 01:43:53,760
newborn Jake who was just 12 days old
2721
01:43:50,399 --> 01:43:55,618
and her name was Debbie Freeman it
2722
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:57,960
wasn't until the 12th four days later
2723
01:43:55,618 --> 01:44:00,779
that her body was found by local farmer
2724
01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:03,300
in Carrom Downs Debbie Freeman had been
2725
01:44:00,779 --> 01:44:06,539
stabbed a total of 24 times along her
2726
01:44:03,300 --> 01:44:09,659
chest neck head and arms and also was
2727
01:44:06,539 --> 01:44:11,939
strangled but like the first victim she
2728
01:44:09,658 --> 01:44:13,920
had not been sexually violated
2729
01:44:11,939 --> 01:44:16,079
the police began to link both of these
2730
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:18,300
stabbings and the attack on razatoth
2731
01:44:16,079 --> 01:44:20,760
looking for just one suspect for all
2732
01:44:18,300 --> 01:44:22,560
three of these crimes to deal with the
2733
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:25,320
fear in the community a help center
2734
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:27,300
called operation reassurance was created
2735
01:44:25,319 --> 01:44:29,639
to be a resource for women regarding how
2736
01:44:27,300 --> 01:44:33,000
to prevent attacks and what to do if one
2737
01:44:29,639 --> 01:44:34,859
was attacked even so one more teenager
2738
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:38,158
would lose her life before the killer
2739
01:44:34,859 --> 01:44:40,920
was stopped on July 30th Natalie Russell
2740
01:44:38,158 --> 01:44:42,960
who was 17 years old was riding back to
2741
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:45,179
her house from John Paul College on her
2742
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:47,819
bike in Frankston it was the middle of
2743
01:44:45,179 --> 01:44:49,739
the afternoon when she disappeared that
2744
01:44:47,819 --> 01:44:51,599
night her remains were found in some
2745
01:44:49,738 --> 01:44:54,178
bushes between the peninsula and the
2746
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:55,980
Long Island golf clubs her slain body
2747
01:44:54,179 --> 01:44:58,560
bore multiple stab wounds around her
2748
01:44:55,979 --> 01:45:00,118
face and neck her throat was slashed and
2749
01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:02,400
yet there was no proof of sexual
2750
01:45:00,118 --> 01:45:04,799
intercourse just as in the cases of the
2751
01:45:02,399 --> 01:45:06,899
other two murdered women there was
2752
01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:08,579
something new in this case though a
2753
01:45:06,899 --> 01:45:10,379
piece of evidence that would become key
2754
01:45:08,579 --> 01:45:12,899
was left on the body
2755
01:45:10,380 --> 01:45:14,940
a small piece of skin thought to be from
2756
01:45:12,899 --> 01:45:16,859
a finger was removed from the neck of
2757
01:45:14,939 --> 01:45:19,859
the victim that had belonged to her
2758
01:45:16,859 --> 01:45:22,439
killer also a sighting by a reliable
2759
01:45:19,859 --> 01:45:24,839
source a police officer no less had
2760
01:45:22,439 --> 01:45:27,118
occurred that seemed to be related at
2761
01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:29,520
about 3 pm someone had seen a Toyota
2762
01:45:27,118 --> 01:45:31,559
Corona that was memorably yellow and
2763
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:33,119
near the bike track this was about the
2764
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:35,580
time the coroner thought the murder of
2765
01:45:33,118 --> 01:45:36,658
Natalie Russell had taken place the
2766
01:45:35,579 --> 01:45:38,460
officer had written down the
2767
01:45:36,658 --> 01:45:41,339
registration number after determining
2768
01:45:38,460 --> 01:45:43,679
the car had no plates and so was suspect
2769
01:45:41,340 --> 01:45:45,420
running the registration number gave the
2770
01:45:43,679 --> 01:45:46,679
police a match with a report from a
2771
01:45:45,420 --> 01:45:48,840
postal worker
2772
01:45:46,679 --> 01:45:51,000
the man had been sitting suspiciously in
2773
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:53,039
the front seat slumping as if he didn't
2774
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:55,500
want to be seen and something about it
2775
01:45:53,039 --> 01:45:57,658
had bothered the postal worker that
2776
01:45:55,500 --> 01:45:59,460
wasn't much but it also came up that
2777
01:45:57,658 --> 01:46:01,500
this was a match to a car seen in the
2778
01:45:59,460 --> 01:46:04,319
area where Debbie Freeman's body was
2779
01:46:01,500 --> 01:46:06,899
discovered and that was no random
2780
01:46:04,319 --> 01:46:10,259
Circumstance the registration indeed
2781
01:46:06,899 --> 01:46:11,819
belonged to Paul Charles denier denier
2782
01:46:10,260 --> 01:46:14,219
wasn't home though when the police
2783
01:46:11,819 --> 01:46:16,859
showed up at his apartment at 3 30 PM
2784
01:46:14,219 --> 01:46:19,079
that day detective Mick Hughes and
2785
01:46:16,859 --> 01:46:21,299
Charlie bezina slipped a card under the
2786
01:46:19,079 --> 01:46:22,500
door and requested contact hoping to
2787
01:46:21,300 --> 01:46:24,300
hear something later
2788
01:46:22,500 --> 01:46:27,000
Sharon Johnson was the one who called
2789
01:46:24,300 --> 01:46:28,619
them back at 5 15 pm and they reassured
2790
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:30,899
her it was just part of the canvassing
2791
01:46:28,618 --> 01:46:33,179
of the neighborhood a routine inquiry
2792
01:46:30,899 --> 01:46:35,099
they didn't want to scare denier off
2793
01:46:33,179 --> 01:46:37,618
before they could find him and quickly
2794
01:46:35,100 --> 01:46:40,139
proceeded to put together a team within
2795
01:46:37,618 --> 01:46:42,839
10 minutes the group headed by mchughes
2796
01:46:40,139 --> 01:46:44,460
Rod Wilson and CIB detective Darren
2797
01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:47,340
O'Loughlin were at the scene of the
2798
01:46:44,460 --> 01:46:50,340
flats at 186 Frankston Dandenong Road
2799
01:46:47,340 --> 01:46:52,560
ready to take denier when they knocked
2800
01:46:50,340 --> 01:46:54,480
denier seemed rather calm and collected
2801
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:56,639
and had an answer for most of the
2802
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:59,459
questions they asked him why was he
2803
01:46:56,639 --> 01:47:01,380
driving a car with no plates well he
2804
01:46:59,460 --> 01:47:03,179
actually had a 28-day permit to do so
2805
01:47:01,380 --> 01:47:05,639
while he made the repairs it needed
2806
01:47:03,179 --> 01:47:07,380
before it could be registered why had
2807
01:47:05,639 --> 01:47:09,000
his car been seen in the areas of each
2808
01:47:07,380 --> 01:47:11,219
crime scene during the time frames of
2809
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:13,319
the murders he claimed his card broken
2810
01:47:11,219 --> 01:47:14,819
down near the bike trail which was the
2811
01:47:13,319 --> 01:47:16,500
area where Natalie Russell had been
2812
01:47:14,819 --> 01:47:18,359
found and that he had been picking up
2813
01:47:16,500 --> 01:47:20,819
Sharon near the train when his car had
2814
01:47:18,359 --> 01:47:23,399
been spotted the other time what didn't
2815
01:47:20,819 --> 01:47:26,158
match up were all of the cuts and even
2816
01:47:23,399 --> 01:47:28,500
the missing skin on his hands he had an
2817
01:47:26,158 --> 01:47:30,599
answer for that too tying it back to the
2818
01:47:28,500 --> 01:47:32,279
car repairs and saying that he'd gotten
2819
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:34,500
injured while working on the fan in the
2820
01:47:32,279 --> 01:47:36,658
car engine denier denied knowing
2821
01:47:34,500 --> 01:47:38,639
anything about the murders at all except
2822
01:47:36,658 --> 01:47:40,979
for what he'd learned from the news
2823
01:47:38,639 --> 01:47:43,679
but the detective saw through all of the
2824
01:47:40,979 --> 01:47:45,059
excuses and numerous coincidences they
2825
01:47:43,679 --> 01:47:47,219
proceeded to take him into the police
2826
01:47:45,060 --> 01:47:49,080
station for questioning in the
2827
01:47:47,219 --> 01:47:51,658
interrogation room they requested hair
2828
01:47:49,079 --> 01:47:53,219
and blood samples for a DNA test all
2829
01:47:51,658 --> 01:47:55,618
throughout the night he had maintained
2830
01:47:53,219 --> 01:47:58,020
his innocence but the realization of the
2831
01:47:55,618 --> 01:48:00,179
implications of a DNA match changed the
2832
01:47:58,020 --> 01:48:02,639
game for him he asked how long the
2833
01:48:00,179 --> 01:48:04,139
results would be before they returned he
2834
01:48:02,639 --> 01:48:05,940
wanted to know if they had a sample from
2835
01:48:04,139 --> 01:48:08,460
the victims that purportedly had come
2836
01:48:05,939 --> 01:48:11,399
from the Killer out of nowhere he
2837
01:48:08,460 --> 01:48:14,158
suddenly and spontaneously admitted okay
2838
01:48:11,399 --> 01:48:16,079
I killed all three of them detective
2839
01:48:14,158 --> 01:48:18,539
Darren o'loughlin's interrogation was
2840
01:48:16,079 --> 01:48:20,760
finally getting somewhere it was now the
2841
01:48:18,539 --> 01:48:22,560
early morning hours of August 1st and
2842
01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:24,960
denyer began to reveal the details of
2843
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:27,360
his murders of Elizabeth Stevens Debbie
2844
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:30,179
frame and Natalie Russell as well as
2845
01:48:27,359 --> 01:48:33,539
Rosa toth's attack in a detached
2846
01:48:30,179 --> 01:48:35,639
completely unremorseful and almost smug
2847
01:48:33,539 --> 01:48:38,158
manner denier delivered his confession
2848
01:48:35,639 --> 01:48:40,319
as one who was describing a job process
2849
01:48:38,158 --> 01:48:41,899
to a group of new employees or
2850
01:48:40,319 --> 01:48:44,519
recounting his day to an acquaintance
2851
01:48:41,899 --> 01:48:47,279
but certainly not like one who is
2852
01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:48,960
describing violent acts the sense of
2853
01:48:47,279 --> 01:48:51,238
control he appeared to feel was
2854
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:52,980
something he immensely enjoyed he was
2855
01:48:51,238 --> 01:48:55,979
the only one who had information that
2856
01:48:52,979 --> 01:48:58,319
they were after and he knew it as for
2857
01:48:55,979 --> 01:49:01,138
Elizabeth Stevens murder he confirmed
2858
01:48:58,319 --> 01:49:03,479
that it was at random he described it as
2859
01:49:01,139 --> 01:49:05,460
being a rainy gloomy Knight and she had
2860
01:49:03,479 --> 01:49:08,459
gotten off the bus around 7pm at the
2861
01:49:05,460 --> 01:49:10,618
stop on cranbourne Road in langwarrin he
2862
01:49:08,460 --> 01:49:13,380
was waiting around the bus stop saw her
2863
01:49:10,618 --> 01:49:15,118
and decided to follow her while it would
2864
01:49:13,380 --> 01:49:16,679
have only been a short walk until she
2865
01:49:15,118 --> 01:49:19,019
was back at the safety of her aunt and
2866
01:49:16,679 --> 01:49:21,118
uncles instead she found herself being
2867
01:49:19,020 --> 01:49:23,040
grabbed from behind and told that she
2868
01:49:21,118 --> 01:49:25,500
would be finished off if she screamed or
2869
01:49:23,039 --> 01:49:27,658
tried to run denier used a piece of
2870
01:49:25,500 --> 01:49:29,698
aluminum pipe to feign having a gun held
2871
01:49:27,658 --> 01:49:32,219
on his victim and persuaded her to go
2872
01:49:29,698 --> 01:49:34,678
into the woods at Lloyd Park his account
2873
01:49:32,219 --> 01:49:36,779
included that they walked into a bit of
2874
01:49:34,679 --> 01:49:39,779
Bushland beside the main track in Lloyd
2875
01:49:36,779 --> 01:49:42,899
Park sat there you know stood in the
2876
01:49:39,779 --> 01:49:46,319
bushes for a while just I can't remember
2877
01:49:42,899 --> 01:49:48,779
just standing there I suppose I held the
2878
01:49:46,319 --> 01:49:50,460
gun to the back of her neck walked
2879
01:49:48,779 --> 01:49:52,319
across the track over towards the other
2880
01:49:50,460 --> 01:49:54,779
small Sand Hill or something
2881
01:49:52,319 --> 01:49:57,238
and on the other side of that Hill she
2882
01:49:54,779 --> 01:49:59,939
asked me if she could you know go to the
2883
01:49:57,238 --> 01:50:02,039
toilet so to speak so I respected her
2884
01:49:59,939 --> 01:50:03,419
privacy so I turned around and
2885
01:50:02,039 --> 01:50:04,260
everything while she did it and
2886
01:50:03,420 --> 01:50:06,300
everything
2887
01:50:04,260 --> 01:50:08,639
when she finished we just walked down
2888
01:50:06,300 --> 01:50:10,199
toward where the goal posts are and we
2889
01:50:08,639 --> 01:50:12,719
turned right and headed toward the area
2890
01:50:10,198 --> 01:50:14,759
where she was found I got to that area
2891
01:50:12,719 --> 01:50:16,880
there and I started choking her with my
2892
01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:19,739
hands and she passed out after a while
2893
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:22,500
you know the oxygen got cut off to her
2894
01:50:19,738 --> 01:50:24,359
head and she just stopped and then I
2895
01:50:22,500 --> 01:50:26,639
pulled out the knife and stabbed her
2896
01:50:24,359 --> 01:50:29,519
many times in the throat and she was
2897
01:50:26,639 --> 01:50:31,800
still alive then she stood up and we
2898
01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:34,080
walked around and all that just walking
2899
01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:35,940
around a few steps and then I threw her
2900
01:50:34,079 --> 01:50:38,519
on the ground and stuck my foot over her
2901
01:50:35,939 --> 01:50:40,500
neck to finish her off he continued in
2902
01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:42,840
his straightforward manner despite how
2903
01:50:40,500 --> 01:50:44,460
gruesome the details became the
2904
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:46,199
interrogation video has an account of
2905
01:50:44,460 --> 01:50:48,300
him showing detectives just how he
2906
01:50:46,198 --> 01:50:50,460
strangled Elizabeth employing his thumb
2907
01:50:48,300 --> 01:50:52,920
into her throat and how he had stabbed
2908
01:50:50,460 --> 01:50:54,539
her throat he even remembered in clear
2909
01:50:52,920 --> 01:50:57,000
detail the trauma signs Elizabeth
2910
01:50:54,539 --> 01:50:59,399
displayed right before her death in the
2911
01:50:57,000 --> 01:51:01,738
form of shaking but he continued to
2912
01:50:59,399 --> 01:51:04,039
recount all of this without any emotion
2913
01:51:01,738 --> 01:51:07,559
and the motive for all this violence
2914
01:51:04,039 --> 01:51:08,279
denier stated that he just wanted to
2915
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:10,619
kill
2916
01:51:08,279 --> 01:51:13,559
just wanted to take a life because I
2917
01:51:10,618 --> 01:51:16,019
felt my life had been taken many times
2918
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:17,760
immediately after her death denier had
2919
01:51:16,020 --> 01:51:20,159
then left Elizabeth Stevens body near
2920
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:21,900
the drain and disposed of the knife now
2921
01:51:20,158 --> 01:51:25,198
in pieces and which he had made himself
2922
01:51:21,899 --> 01:51:26,939
along his route back home of course this
2923
01:51:25,198 --> 01:51:28,919
wasn't the only crime in which he had
2924
01:51:26,939 --> 01:51:30,000
made use of his fake gun or homemade
2925
01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:32,340
knives
2926
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:34,920
he also confessed in detail to the July
2927
01:51:32,340 --> 01:51:36,779
8th incident with Mrs Toth having also
2928
01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:38,760
come up from behind her after following
2929
01:51:36,779 --> 01:51:40,679
her from the station in Seaford and
2930
01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:43,739
having placed his hand over her mouth to
2931
01:51:40,679 --> 01:51:45,300
ensure she didn't scream instead Mrs
2932
01:51:43,738 --> 01:51:47,218
Toth had bit his finger through to the
2933
01:51:45,300 --> 01:51:49,020
bone as she put up a fight that
2934
01:51:47,219 --> 01:51:51,899
ultimately ended up with her being able
2935
01:51:49,020 --> 01:51:53,880
to escape him Mrs Toth at first couldn't
2936
01:51:51,899 --> 01:51:56,158
get the attention of any passing cars
2937
01:51:53,880 --> 01:51:58,199
and denier had initially not given up
2938
01:51:56,158 --> 01:52:00,779
chasing after her and grabbing her by
2939
01:51:58,198 --> 01:52:02,339
the hair he tried similar threats as he
2940
01:52:00,779 --> 01:52:04,618
had used on Elizabeth
2941
01:52:02,340 --> 01:52:07,440
shut up or I'll blow your goddamned head
2942
01:52:04,618 --> 01:52:09,539
off and Mrs Toth supposedly nodded and
2943
01:52:07,439 --> 01:52:11,519
started to go with him until she tried
2944
01:52:09,539 --> 01:52:13,859
again to escape and successfully caught
2945
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:16,260
the attention of another car at this
2946
01:52:13,859 --> 01:52:18,359
point tenure left to evade being caught
2947
01:52:16,260 --> 01:52:19,920
and what would he have done if he had
2948
01:52:18,359 --> 01:52:22,380
been successful in getting her to go
2949
01:52:19,920 --> 01:52:25,800
with them I was just gonna drag her into
2950
01:52:22,380 --> 01:52:27,359
the park and kill her that's all that
2951
01:52:25,800 --> 01:52:29,460
same night he went back to the train
2952
01:52:27,359 --> 01:52:31,799
station and got on as if nothing had
2953
01:52:29,460 --> 01:52:34,319
happened heading toward Frankston and
2954
01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:36,239
departing the bus at kananuk it was
2955
01:52:34,319 --> 01:52:38,219
nearby this station that Debbie frame
2956
01:52:36,238 --> 01:52:40,439
was on her milk run stepping out of her
2957
01:52:38,219 --> 01:52:42,539
great Pulsar which Daniel decided to
2958
01:52:40,439 --> 01:52:43,678
enter via the rear door and crouched
2959
01:52:42,539 --> 01:52:47,340
down to wait
2960
01:52:43,679 --> 01:52:49,380
she got in unaware and began to drive it
2961
01:52:47,340 --> 01:52:51,539
was at that time denier began to use his
2962
01:52:49,380 --> 01:52:54,179
fake gun routine to gain control of the
2963
01:52:51,539 --> 01:52:56,039
situation I waited for her to start up
2964
01:52:54,179 --> 01:52:58,739
the car so no one would hear her scream
2965
01:52:56,039 --> 01:53:00,719
or anything then you're conveyed and she
2966
01:52:58,738 --> 01:53:03,178
put it into gear and she went to do a
2967
01:53:00,719 --> 01:53:04,920
U-turn I startled her just as she was
2968
01:53:03,179 --> 01:53:07,199
doing that turn and she kept going into
2969
01:53:04,920 --> 01:53:10,079
the wall of The Milk Bar which caused a
2970
01:53:07,198 --> 01:53:11,939
dent in the Bonnet I told her to you
2971
01:53:10,079 --> 01:53:14,340
know shut up or I'd blow her head off
2972
01:53:11,939 --> 01:53:16,079
and all that he even admitted to
2973
01:53:14,340 --> 01:53:17,940
noticing the baby car seat in the back
2974
01:53:16,079 --> 01:53:19,800
when the police asked him if anything
2975
01:53:17,939 --> 01:53:21,299
was in the back seat and so the
2976
01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:23,480
knowledge that she was the mother of a
2977
01:53:21,300 --> 01:53:26,460
small child did not even deter him
2978
01:53:23,479 --> 01:53:28,738
guiding her to a remote area denier
2979
01:53:26,460 --> 01:53:30,480
continued to threaten her I told her
2980
01:53:28,738 --> 01:53:32,939
when we got there if she gave any
2981
01:53:30,479 --> 01:53:36,238
signals to anyone I'd blow her head off
2982
01:53:32,939 --> 01:53:38,158
I'd decorate the car with her brains the
2983
01:53:36,238 --> 01:53:40,979
terrified woman drove until she was told
2984
01:53:38,158 --> 01:53:42,779
to pull over by a stand of trees in the
2985
01:53:40,979 --> 01:53:44,399
darkness and cover of the woods he
2986
01:53:42,779 --> 01:53:47,579
presented a new addition to his
2987
01:53:44,399 --> 01:53:50,219
collection of tools a simple cord I
2988
01:53:47,579 --> 01:53:52,019
popped it over her eyes real quickly so
2989
01:53:50,219 --> 01:53:54,179
she didn't see it because I was gonna
2990
01:53:52,020 --> 01:53:56,940
strangle her but I didn't want her to
2991
01:53:54,179 --> 01:53:59,340
see the cord first I lifted the cord up
2992
01:53:56,939 --> 01:54:01,259
and said can you see this and she just
2993
01:53:59,340 --> 01:54:03,779
put her hand up to grab it to feel it
2994
01:54:01,260 --> 01:54:06,600
and when she did that I just yanked on
2995
01:54:03,779 --> 01:54:08,460
it real quickly around her neck and then
2996
01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:11,039
I was struggling with her for about five
2997
01:54:08,460 --> 01:54:13,319
minutes after strangling Debbie with a
2998
01:54:11,039 --> 01:54:15,179
cord until she was all but lifeless he
2999
01:54:13,319 --> 01:54:17,639
proceeded to use his knife to stab her
3000
01:54:15,179 --> 01:54:19,380
in the neck and chest she started
3001
01:54:17,639 --> 01:54:22,199
breathing out of her neck just like
3002
01:54:19,380 --> 01:54:25,618
Elizabeth Stevens he told the detectives
3003
01:54:22,198 --> 01:54:28,439
I could hear bubbling noises just as Mrs
3004
01:54:25,618 --> 01:54:30,539
Toff had Debbie fought for her life but
3005
01:54:28,439 --> 01:54:33,479
the isolated area gave her little chance
3006
01:54:30,539 --> 01:54:36,359
to overcome her attacker he was recorded
3007
01:54:33,479 --> 01:54:38,218
as saying yeah she put up quite a fight
3008
01:54:36,359 --> 01:54:39,899
and her white jumper was pulled off
3009
01:54:38,219 --> 01:54:42,000
during that time as well
3010
01:54:39,899 --> 01:54:44,579
I just felt the same way I did when I
3011
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:46,800
killed Elizabeth Stevens as the single
3012
01:54:44,579 --> 01:54:48,600
stab to the stomach was noticeable the
3013
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:51,239
police inquired about that specifically
3014
01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:53,699
I lifted her up top and then plowed the
3015
01:54:51,238 --> 01:54:56,218
knife into her gut I wanted to see how
3016
01:54:53,698 --> 01:54:59,279
big her boobs were he said that when he
3017
01:54:56,219 --> 01:55:01,560
saw Debbie's bare stomach he just lunged
3018
01:54:59,279 --> 01:55:04,019
at it with a knife when it was obvious
3019
01:55:01,560 --> 01:55:05,820
Debbie was no longer alive he disposed
3020
01:55:04,020 --> 01:55:07,440
of her body in the trees covering it
3021
01:55:05,819 --> 01:55:09,059
with some branches which he said he
3022
01:55:07,439 --> 01:55:09,960
broke off himself from the surrounding
3023
01:55:09,060 --> 01:55:11,880
trees
3024
01:55:09,960 --> 01:55:14,520
realizing that he had dropped his knife
3025
01:55:11,880 --> 01:55:16,800
he spent some time perhaps five minutes
3026
01:55:14,520 --> 01:55:19,320
searching the area until he recovered it
3027
01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:21,239
and took it with him he actually used
3028
01:55:19,319 --> 01:55:23,519
Debbie Freeman's car to get back closer
3029
01:55:21,238 --> 01:55:26,399
to home leaving it to walk the rest of
3030
01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:28,440
the way once there he called Sharon who
3031
01:55:26,399 --> 01:55:30,059
was at work and arranged a meter to pick
3032
01:55:28,439 --> 01:55:32,819
her up the cannonok railway station
3033
01:55:30,060 --> 01:55:36,239
where the incident had all begun
3034
01:55:32,819 --> 01:55:39,118
but why had he killed Debbie frame same
3035
01:55:36,238 --> 01:55:42,059
reason why I killed Elizabeth Stevens I
3036
01:55:39,118 --> 01:55:43,979
just wanted to came the chilling answer
3037
01:55:42,060 --> 01:55:45,780
it was not until the next morning that
3038
01:55:43,979 --> 01:55:47,399
denier had seemed to think anything of
3039
01:55:45,779 --> 01:55:50,039
the other contents of the car he had
3040
01:55:47,399 --> 01:55:52,138
abandoned he actually had the guts to go
3041
01:55:50,039 --> 01:55:54,840
back to it in order to retrieve certain
3042
01:55:52,139 --> 01:55:56,639
items the milk eggs chocolate and
3043
01:55:54,840 --> 01:55:59,520
cigarettes which had all been from The
3044
01:55:56,639 --> 01:56:01,859
Milk Bar and Debbie's purse he intended
3045
01:55:59,520 --> 01:56:04,560
to dispose of all these dumping the milk
3046
01:56:01,859 --> 01:56:06,118
and eggs burning the cartons and bearing
3047
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:08,100
the purse in a golf course
3048
01:56:06,118 --> 01:56:09,539
obviously aware that his possession of
3049
01:56:08,100 --> 01:56:11,520
any evidence could lead to his being
3050
01:56:09,539 --> 01:56:14,279
caught he hid the knife Parts in the
3051
01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:16,320
Flat's laundry room air vent yet he
3052
01:56:14,279 --> 01:56:18,300
admitted all this freely now
3053
01:56:16,319 --> 01:56:20,039
this golf course would be the same one
3054
01:56:18,300 --> 01:56:22,739
near where he killed Natalie Russell
3055
01:56:20,039 --> 01:56:24,779
along the bike track this was no
3056
01:56:22,738 --> 01:56:26,579
coincidence though and police were about
3057
01:56:24,779 --> 01:56:29,519
to learn of one major difference between
3058
01:56:26,579 --> 01:56:31,679
the previous attacks and this final one
3059
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:33,420
so far the questioning had resulted in
3060
01:56:31,679 --> 01:56:35,340
confessions for all but one of the
3061
01:56:33,420 --> 01:56:37,739
crimes denier was the main suspect for
3062
01:56:35,340 --> 01:56:38,760
and the process had taken a total of 12
3063
01:56:37,738 --> 01:56:40,859
hours
3064
01:56:38,760 --> 01:56:42,659
if what had been shared so far wasn't
3065
01:56:40,859 --> 01:56:44,639
enough to convince everyone that Paul
3066
01:56:42,658 --> 01:56:46,799
denier was beyond all hope of Being
3067
01:56:44,639 --> 01:56:49,260
Human and needed to be locked up for
3068
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:50,820
life and stripped of all freedoms than
3069
01:56:49,260 --> 01:56:53,880
what he was about to share would
3070
01:56:50,819 --> 01:56:55,859
certainly ensure his fate was sealed in
3071
01:56:53,880 --> 01:56:57,719
this chapter of tenure's confession he
3072
01:56:55,859 --> 01:56:59,519
freely admits that a certain level of
3073
01:56:57,719 --> 01:57:00,179
planning went into Natalie Russell's
3074
01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:02,340
murder
3075
01:57:00,179 --> 01:57:04,380
he had a desire to abduct a young woman
3076
01:57:02,340 --> 01:57:06,560
and although he didn't have a specific
3077
01:57:04,380 --> 01:57:09,239
Target in mind he did have a location
3078
01:57:06,560 --> 01:57:12,599
the bike track at the floor and fauna
3079
01:57:09,238 --> 01:57:14,759
Reserve in nearby langwarrin then under
3080
01:57:12,599 --> 01:57:17,819
the cover of woods just as in the other
3081
01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:19,619
cases he would murder the young woman as
3082
01:57:17,819 --> 01:57:22,319
the reserve was bordered by a wire fence
3083
01:57:19,618 --> 01:57:23,880
he came prepared with pliers making a
3084
01:57:22,319 --> 01:57:25,439
hole in three separate places through
3085
01:57:23,880 --> 01:57:28,020
which he could drag his victim into the
3086
01:57:25,439 --> 01:57:30,238
woods he did this much earlier in the
3087
01:57:28,020 --> 01:57:32,699
day and then returned to the site in the
3088
01:57:30,238 --> 01:57:35,039
afternoon he only had to wait about 20
3089
01:57:32,698 --> 01:57:36,779
minutes after he arrived at 2 30 before
3090
01:57:35,039 --> 01:57:39,420
a young woman entered the path off the
3091
01:57:36,779 --> 01:57:42,179
road from John Paul College she wore a
3092
01:57:39,420 --> 01:57:44,158
blue school uniform following his victim
3093
01:57:42,179 --> 01:57:45,840
and armed with another homemade knife
3094
01:57:44,158 --> 01:57:48,658
and leather strap he told the
3095
01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:50,400
investigators I stuck about 10 yards
3096
01:57:48,658 --> 01:57:53,698
behind her until I got to the second
3097
01:57:50,399 --> 01:57:55,500
hole and just when I got to that hole I
3098
01:57:53,698 --> 01:57:57,479
quickly walked up behind her and stuck
3099
01:57:55,500 --> 01:57:59,819
my left hand around her mouth and held
3100
01:57:57,479 --> 01:58:02,459
the knife to her throat and that's where
3101
01:57:59,819 --> 01:58:04,738
that cut happened I cut that on my own
3102
01:58:02,460 --> 01:58:05,880
blade he explained his thumb with the
3103
01:58:04,738 --> 01:58:08,039
missing skin
3104
01:58:05,880 --> 01:58:10,500
as Natalie struggled he threatened her
3105
01:58:08,039 --> 01:58:13,079
and then she supposedly started to offer
3106
01:58:10,500 --> 01:58:15,420
him things in exchange for her life she
3107
01:58:13,079 --> 01:58:18,300
said you can have all my money have sex
3108
01:58:15,420 --> 01:58:20,340
with me and things just said disgusting
3109
01:58:18,300 --> 01:58:22,679
things like that really
3110
01:58:20,340 --> 01:58:24,900
he did not realize how perverse it was
3111
01:58:22,679 --> 01:58:27,239
that he would be so disgusted by the
3112
01:58:24,899 --> 01:58:28,679
victim he was attacking this was the
3113
01:58:27,238 --> 01:58:31,019
only emotion he seemed to show
3114
01:58:28,679 --> 01:58:33,179
throughout all of the interviews unless
3115
01:58:31,020 --> 01:58:35,639
you count the almost sense of Pride he
3116
01:58:33,179 --> 01:58:37,739
gave off the cut on her face happened as
3117
01:58:35,639 --> 01:58:40,260
denier compelled Natalie to kneel in
3118
01:58:37,738 --> 01:58:42,779
front of him and then lie down as he
3119
01:58:40,260 --> 01:58:45,179
held the knife near her eye he held her
3120
01:58:42,779 --> 01:58:46,979
by the throat and she struggled and he
3121
01:58:45,179 --> 01:58:47,940
cut her face as she managed to stand
3122
01:58:46,979 --> 01:58:51,118
back up
3123
01:58:47,939 --> 01:58:54,359
she screamed and I just said shut up
3124
01:58:51,118 --> 01:58:56,698
shut up shut up shut up and if you don't
3125
01:58:54,359 --> 01:58:58,738
shut up I'll kill you if you don't do
3126
01:58:56,698 --> 01:59:02,098
this I'll kill you if you don't do that
3127
01:58:58,738 --> 01:59:05,759
then you described his response and she
3128
01:59:02,099 --> 01:59:08,340
said what do you want from me I said all
3129
01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:10,440
I want you to do is shut up and so when
3130
01:59:08,340 --> 01:59:12,060
she was kneeling on the ground I put the
3131
01:59:10,439 --> 01:59:14,339
strap around her neck to strangle her
3132
01:59:12,060 --> 01:59:16,440
and it broke in half and then she
3133
01:59:14,340 --> 01:59:19,380
started violently struggling for about a
3134
01:59:16,439 --> 01:59:21,719
minute until I pushed got her onto her
3135
01:59:19,380 --> 01:59:24,420
back again and pushed her head back like
3136
01:59:21,719 --> 01:59:26,219
this and cut her throat denier had no
3137
01:59:24,420 --> 01:59:29,158
issue demonstrating the details of his
3138
01:59:26,219 --> 01:59:31,679
actions as he spoke I cut a small cut at
3139
01:59:29,158 --> 01:59:34,079
first and then she was bleeding and then
3140
01:59:31,679 --> 01:59:36,658
I stuck my fingers into her throat and
3141
01:59:34,079 --> 01:59:39,300
grabbed her cords and I twisted them
3142
01:59:36,658 --> 01:59:42,960
when asked why he would do that he
3143
01:59:39,300 --> 01:59:46,320
answered my whole fingers like that much
3144
01:59:42,960 --> 01:59:48,960
of my hand was inside her throat when
3145
01:59:46,319 --> 01:59:51,658
asked again he gave more details
3146
01:59:48,960 --> 01:59:54,599
stop her from breathing and then she
3147
01:59:51,658 --> 01:59:57,658
slowly stopped she sort of started to
3148
01:59:54,599 --> 01:59:59,639
faint and then she was weak a bit weaker
3149
01:59:57,658 --> 02:00:02,039
I grabbed the opportunity of throwing
3150
01:59:59,639 --> 02:00:04,139
her head back and one big large cut
3151
02:00:02,039 --> 02:00:07,859
which sort of cut almost her whole head
3152
02:00:04,139 --> 02:00:09,840
off and then she slowly died while most
3153
02:00:07,859 --> 02:00:11,639
can imagine the job of a detective can
3154
02:00:09,840 --> 02:00:13,800
be tough listening to the confessions
3155
02:00:11,639 --> 02:00:15,779
and working at scenes of a serial killer
3156
02:00:13,800 --> 02:00:18,000
brought the detectives through such a
3157
02:00:15,779 --> 02:00:19,559
dark side of humanity it was hard to
3158
02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:22,260
keep composure to finish the
3159
02:00:19,560 --> 02:00:24,360
interrogation yet they asked for the
3160
02:00:22,260 --> 02:00:27,719
sake of thoroughness why did you kill
3161
02:00:24,359 --> 02:00:29,399
her just the same reason as before just
3162
02:00:27,719 --> 02:00:33,000
everything came back through my mind
3163
02:00:29,399 --> 02:00:34,799
again I kicked her before I left he said
3164
02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:37,439
the kick was to ensure she was actually
3165
02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:40,980
dead and yet he slashed her one more
3166
02:00:37,439 --> 02:00:43,678
time after that ironically he was almost
3167
02:00:40,979 --> 02:00:45,779
caught then and there as he walked back
3168
02:00:43,679 --> 02:00:48,239
to his car with Natalie's blood still on
3169
02:00:45,779 --> 02:00:49,979
his hands you saw two officers examining
3170
02:00:48,238 --> 02:00:52,079
his car because of its lack of plates
3171
02:00:49,979 --> 02:00:53,698
and decided to leave it there and walk
3172
02:00:52,079 --> 02:00:54,539
back to his flat taking a different
3173
02:00:53,698 --> 02:00:56,698
route
3174
02:00:54,539 --> 02:00:58,738
to conceal the evidence he hid the knife
3175
02:00:56,698 --> 02:01:01,319
again but this time in the backyard
3176
02:00:58,738 --> 02:01:04,019
after cleaning up he went about business
3177
02:01:01,319 --> 02:01:05,759
as usual picking up Sharon from work and
3178
02:01:04,020 --> 02:01:07,380
going on to socialize with her at her
3179
02:01:05,760 --> 02:01:09,659
mother's home in town
3180
02:01:07,380 --> 02:01:11,039
adding to the list of crimes he then
3181
02:01:09,658 --> 02:01:14,219
tacked on a confession about his
3182
02:01:11,039 --> 02:01:16,019
neighbor's sister Donna and her cats he
3183
02:01:14,219 --> 02:01:18,179
even admitted that he had brought one of
3184
02:01:16,020 --> 02:01:20,820
his knives to murder Donna but she was
3185
02:01:18,179 --> 02:01:22,139
not home by the time he'd arrived while
3186
02:01:20,819 --> 02:01:23,579
that may have been the start of the
3187
02:01:22,139 --> 02:01:26,460
violence against women in the area
3188
02:01:23,579 --> 02:01:28,679
denier admitted he had stalked women for
3189
02:01:26,460 --> 02:01:31,319
years just waiting for the right time
3190
02:01:28,679 --> 02:01:35,099
waiting for that silent alarm to trigger
3191
02:01:31,319 --> 02:01:36,899
me off waiting for the sign what was it
3192
02:01:35,099 --> 02:01:40,800
about women that tenure had such a
3193
02:01:36,899 --> 02:01:44,519
problem with I just hate him I beg your
3194
02:01:40,800 --> 02:01:47,539
pardon said a Lachlan I just hate him
3195
02:01:44,520 --> 02:01:49,800
tenure repeated those particular girls
3196
02:01:47,539 --> 02:01:53,340
astolachlan in reference to Daniel's
3197
02:01:49,800 --> 02:01:55,500
victims or women in general
3198
02:01:53,340 --> 02:01:57,420
the exception would be Sharon who was
3199
02:01:55,500 --> 02:01:59,158
apparently completely clueless about her
3200
02:01:57,420 --> 02:02:00,779
boyfriend's doings while she was busy
3201
02:01:59,158 --> 02:02:04,079
working to support them
3202
02:02:00,779 --> 02:02:06,779
Sharon's not like anyone else I know I'd
3203
02:02:04,079 --> 02:02:09,719
never hurt her she's a kindred spirit
3204
02:02:06,779 --> 02:02:11,939
denier said and so denyer was formally
3205
02:02:09,719 --> 02:02:13,639
charged with three counts of murder and
3206
02:02:11,939 --> 02:02:16,079
initially one count of attempted murder
3207
02:02:13,639 --> 02:02:18,359
the charge for the incident with Mrs
3208
02:02:16,079 --> 02:02:21,059
Toth was changed to abduction later on
3209
02:02:18,359 --> 02:02:23,039
he pled guilty to all on December 15
3210
02:02:21,060 --> 02:02:25,020
1993.
3211
02:02:23,039 --> 02:02:26,698
standing trial before Justice Frank
3212
02:02:25,020 --> 02:02:29,159
Vincent at the Supreme Court of Victoria
3213
02:02:26,698 --> 02:02:31,979
the court heard expert testimony from a
3214
02:02:29,158 --> 02:02:33,779
clinical psychologist Ian joblin while
3215
02:02:31,979 --> 02:02:36,000
denyer was awaiting trial in the months
3216
02:02:33,779 --> 02:02:38,460
prior Joplin had the opportunity to
3217
02:02:36,000 --> 02:02:41,219
examine him what he observed in denir
3218
02:02:38,460 --> 02:02:43,319
was especially disturbing as denier not
3219
02:02:41,219 --> 02:02:45,060
only failed to show remorse but also
3220
02:02:43,319 --> 02:02:46,939
showed evidence of deriving great
3221
02:02:45,060 --> 02:02:49,380
pleasure from discussing the murders
3222
02:02:46,939 --> 02:02:51,359
denier also took little responsibility
3223
02:02:49,380 --> 02:02:52,618
for his life beyond admitting he had
3224
02:02:51,359 --> 02:02:54,420
done these things
3225
02:02:52,618 --> 02:02:56,399
he blamed his parents and the way they
3226
02:02:54,420 --> 02:02:58,679
raised him he accused one of his older
3227
02:02:56,399 --> 02:03:00,719
brothers of sexual abuse against him and
3228
02:02:58,679 --> 02:03:03,480
even his lack of employment as reasons
3229
02:03:00,719 --> 02:03:05,219
why he became a serial killer these
3230
02:03:03,479 --> 02:03:07,919
excuses could have been the stories of
3231
02:03:05,219 --> 02:03:10,198
many others all who never became serial
3232
02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:12,118
killers though his psychological
3233
02:03:10,198 --> 02:03:14,460
condition was beyond someone who just
3234
02:03:12,118 --> 02:03:17,158
hadn't had great luck in life his very
3235
02:03:14,460 --> 02:03:19,319
nature was aggressive cruel and thrived
3236
02:03:17,158 --> 02:03:22,799
on the suffering of others the suffering
3237
02:03:19,319 --> 02:03:25,198
he himself caused the term sadist was
3238
02:03:22,800 --> 02:03:26,940
used to describe denier he received
3239
02:03:25,198 --> 02:03:29,579
pleasure and albeit temporary
3240
02:03:26,939 --> 02:03:32,279
satisfaction every time he committed a
3241
02:03:29,579 --> 02:03:34,679
murder very quickly though he would lose
3242
02:03:32,279 --> 02:03:37,380
this satisfaction and then would set out
3243
02:03:34,679 --> 02:03:39,840
to kill again there was no cure for such
3244
02:03:37,380 --> 02:03:42,480
a person or hope for them to readjust to
3245
02:03:39,840 --> 02:03:44,400
society with this and all of the murder
3246
02:03:42,479 --> 02:03:46,979
evidence along with his confession
3247
02:03:44,399 --> 02:03:49,079
denier was sentenced on December 20th of
3248
02:03:46,979 --> 02:03:50,879
the same year the murders took place
3249
02:03:49,079 --> 02:03:52,920
he was given three terms of life
3250
02:03:50,880 --> 02:03:55,819
imprisonment plus eight years for the
3251
02:03:52,920 --> 02:03:57,658
abduction charge and no parole was set
3252
02:03:55,819 --> 02:04:00,420
acknowledging the suffering of the
3253
02:03:57,658 --> 02:04:02,098
community as a whole the judge said the
3254
02:04:00,420 --> 02:04:04,139
fear you have caused to thousands of
3255
02:04:02,099 --> 02:04:07,440
women in the community will be felt for
3256
02:04:04,139 --> 02:04:09,239
a long time for many you are the fear
3257
02:04:07,439 --> 02:04:11,519
that quickens their step as they walk
3258
02:04:09,238 --> 02:04:13,738
home or causes a parent to look
3259
02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:16,800
anxiously at the clock when a child is
3260
02:04:13,738 --> 02:04:19,019
late to the dismay of many especially
3261
02:04:16,800 --> 02:04:20,699
the victims families denier won an
3262
02:04:19,020 --> 02:04:25,080
appeal to the full court of the Supreme
3263
02:04:20,698 --> 02:04:28,019
Court of Victoria on July 29 1994 his
3264
02:04:25,079 --> 02:04:29,698
parole period was set at 30 years which
3265
02:04:28,020 --> 02:04:32,760
was still the highest set on record
3266
02:04:29,698 --> 02:04:35,638
besides that of Ashley Colston who also
3267
02:04:32,760 --> 02:04:38,039
murdered three people at age 35. without
3268
02:04:35,639 --> 02:04:39,599
a sentence of Lifetime imprisonment they
3269
02:04:38,039 --> 02:04:42,179
could see a day when the Frankston
3270
02:04:39,599 --> 02:04:45,539
serial killer would be released and just
3271
02:04:42,179 --> 02:04:47,399
50 some years old definitely still a
3272
02:04:45,539 --> 02:04:49,500
threat to the community considering
3273
02:04:47,399 --> 02:04:51,779
mental health experts are unable to
3274
02:04:49,500 --> 02:04:54,479
offer anything that could change such a
3275
02:04:51,779 --> 02:04:56,960
person's bent towards violence and
3276
02:04:54,479 --> 02:04:56,959
darkness
3277
02:04:58,859 --> 02:05:04,799
in September 1978 Rodney Alcala was a
3278
02:05:02,579 --> 02:05:07,500
winning contestant on Chuck paris's The
3279
02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:09,179
Dating Game Barris would later claim the
3280
02:05:07,500 --> 02:05:12,599
show was a front for his work with the
3281
02:05:09,179 --> 02:05:15,300
CIA alcala's tale is at least as lured
3282
02:05:12,599 --> 02:05:18,239
the game show had recently been revamped
3283
02:05:15,300 --> 02:05:18,900
to be more suggestive it was as corny as
3284
02:05:18,238 --> 02:05:21,839
ever
3285
02:05:18,899 --> 02:05:25,799
Alcala with his long hair leisure suit
3286
02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:27,539
gold chain earrings and pushy charms fit
3287
02:05:25,800 --> 02:05:29,400
the part perfectly
3288
02:05:27,539 --> 02:05:32,158
the episode introduced him to The
3289
02:05:29,399 --> 02:05:33,779
Bachelorette Cheryl Bradshaw as a
3290
02:05:32,158 --> 02:05:36,059
successful photographer who got his
3291
02:05:33,779 --> 02:05:37,979
start at the age of 13 when his father
3292
02:05:36,060 --> 02:05:40,560
found him in the dark room fully
3293
02:05:37,979 --> 02:05:43,138
developed the host told Bradshaw that
3294
02:05:40,560 --> 02:05:46,080
Alcala from Los Angeles was into
3295
02:05:43,139 --> 02:05:48,000
skydiving and motorcycling Alcala
3296
02:05:46,079 --> 02:05:49,679
managed to be somewhat less awkward than
3297
02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:52,139
his two competitors
3298
02:05:49,679 --> 02:05:54,779
Bradshaw a teacher from Phoenix Arizona
3299
02:05:52,139 --> 02:05:56,940
asked the three Bachelors hidden from
3300
02:05:54,779 --> 02:05:57,960
her view behind a screen to describe
3301
02:05:56,939 --> 02:06:00,238
themselves
3302
02:05:57,960 --> 02:06:02,760
I'm serving you for dinner what are you
3303
02:06:00,238 --> 02:06:05,098
called and what do you look like I'm
3304
02:06:02,760 --> 02:06:08,039
called the banana and I look really good
3305
02:06:05,099 --> 02:06:09,539
the lean Alcala confidently told her
3306
02:06:08,039 --> 02:06:12,000
peel me
3307
02:06:09,539 --> 02:06:14,519
intrigued Bradshaw then asked him to
3308
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:16,560
pretend to audition for her drama class
3309
02:06:14,520 --> 02:06:17,820
she suggested he take the part of a
3310
02:06:16,560 --> 02:06:20,280
dirty old man
3311
02:06:17,819 --> 02:06:21,960
as a convicted sex offender it was
3312
02:06:20,279 --> 02:06:24,960
something he had some experience with
3313
02:06:21,960 --> 02:06:25,980
already so he just growled come on over
3314
02:06:24,960 --> 02:06:28,560
here
3315
02:06:25,979 --> 02:06:30,658
somehow his Commons worked and the lucky
3316
02:06:28,560 --> 02:06:32,520
pair won tennis lessons and a trip to
3317
02:06:30,658 --> 02:06:35,039
Magic Mountain one of the Los Angeles
3318
02:06:32,520 --> 02:06:37,199
area's local amusement parks
3319
02:06:35,039 --> 02:06:39,960
but after talking to alkala Backstage
3320
02:06:37,198 --> 02:06:42,299
Bradshaw wisely decided that Alcala was
3321
02:06:39,960 --> 02:06:43,439
less a swinging single than simply
3322
02:06:42,300 --> 02:06:45,679
creepy
3323
02:06:43,439 --> 02:06:48,779
she never did accompany him on that date
3324
02:06:45,679 --> 02:06:50,460
more than 20 years later Alcala would
3325
02:06:48,779 --> 02:06:53,099
point to a tape of that Dating Game
3326
02:06:50,460 --> 02:06:54,960
episode as proof that he'd already owned
3327
02:06:53,099 --> 02:06:56,880
the pair of gold ball earrings that
3328
02:06:54,960 --> 02:06:59,158
prosecutors would contend he was keeping
3329
02:06:56,880 --> 02:07:00,840
as a trophy of his kills along with a
3330
02:06:59,158 --> 02:07:02,939
collection of photographs of his Full
3331
02:07:00,840 --> 02:07:06,539
Assault and murder victims and Targets
3332
02:07:02,939 --> 02:07:08,879
in January 2010 Rodney James Alcala
3333
02:07:06,539 --> 02:07:10,738
started his third trial for the 1979
3334
02:07:08,880 --> 02:07:13,560
murder of a 12-year-old girl from
3335
02:07:10,738 --> 02:07:15,598
Huntington Beach California Robin samso
3336
02:07:13,560 --> 02:07:18,360
the courts had thrown out his two
3337
02:07:15,599 --> 02:07:20,699
previous convictions on technicalities
3338
02:07:18,359 --> 02:07:23,179
thanks to developments in DNA and blood
3339
02:07:20,698 --> 02:07:25,379
evidence technology in the 2010 trial
3340
02:07:23,179 --> 02:07:27,840
prosecutors would also charge him with
3341
02:07:25,380 --> 02:07:31,139
assaults and death of Jill barcom
3342
02:07:27,840 --> 02:07:33,900
Georgia wixted Charlotte lamb and Jill
3343
02:07:31,139 --> 02:07:36,239
parento he'd already been convicted of
3344
02:07:33,899 --> 02:07:38,579
two sex crimes and New York detectives
3345
02:07:36,238 --> 02:07:41,519
now believe he also killed two women in
3346
02:07:38,579 --> 02:07:45,118
Manhattan during the 70s James Alcala
3347
02:07:41,520 --> 02:07:47,340
was born in San Antonio Texas in 1943.
3348
02:07:45,118 --> 02:07:49,259
by the time he was 12 he and his mother
3349
02:07:47,340 --> 02:07:50,219
and sisters were living in Suburban Los
3350
02:07:49,260 --> 02:07:53,340
Angeles
3351
02:07:50,219 --> 02:07:55,500
his father had runoff Alcala joined the
3352
02:07:53,340 --> 02:07:57,840
army when he was 17 and served as an
3353
02:07:55,500 --> 02:07:58,738
army clerk but he only lasted a few
3354
02:07:57,840 --> 02:08:02,159
years
3355
02:07:58,738 --> 02:08:04,618
in 1964 he had a nervous breakdown
3356
02:08:02,158 --> 02:08:06,679
a military psychiatrist described him as
3357
02:08:04,618 --> 02:08:08,880
an anti-social personality
3358
02:08:06,679 --> 02:08:11,880
discharged he returned to Los Angeles
3359
02:08:08,880 --> 02:08:15,300
and enrolled at UCLA where he received a
3360
02:08:11,880 --> 02:08:18,659
bachelor Fine Arts degree in 1968. that
3361
02:08:15,300 --> 02:08:20,340
same year he abducted and nearly killed
3362
02:08:18,658 --> 02:08:23,399
an eight-year-old girl
3363
02:08:20,340 --> 02:08:25,500
tally S as the Press would know her was
3364
02:08:23,399 --> 02:08:27,899
on her way to school in Hollywood when a
3365
02:08:25,500 --> 02:08:30,539
passerby saw Rodney Alcala lure her into
3366
02:08:27,899 --> 02:08:32,638
his car on Sunset Boulevard the witness
3367
02:08:30,539 --> 02:08:34,679
followed Alcala and the girl to his De
3368
02:08:32,639 --> 02:08:35,699
Long prey Avenue apartment and called
3369
02:08:34,679 --> 02:08:37,800
the police
3370
02:08:35,698 --> 02:08:40,198
by the time officers arrived on the
3371
02:08:37,800 --> 02:08:43,139
scene Alcala had bashed the girl's skull
3372
02:08:40,198 --> 02:08:45,178
with a metal pipe and rear when they
3373
02:08:43,139 --> 02:08:47,159
knocked he stalled and snuck out the
3374
02:08:45,179 --> 02:08:50,340
back leaving the child nearly dead
3375
02:08:47,158 --> 02:08:52,679
surrounded by photography equipment Los
3376
02:08:50,340 --> 02:08:55,920
Angeles police detective Steve hodle
3377
02:08:52,679 --> 02:08:58,319
investigated he says professors at UCLA
3378
02:08:55,920 --> 02:08:59,579
told him he must have the wrong guy they
3379
02:08:58,319 --> 02:09:01,559
just couldn't imagine that the
3380
02:08:59,579 --> 02:09:03,840
well-spoken sophisticated art student
3381
02:09:01,560 --> 02:09:06,659
could have committed such a crime
3382
02:09:03,840 --> 02:09:07,800
Alcala fled Los Angeles to New York to
3383
02:09:06,658 --> 02:09:10,500
evade arrest
3384
02:09:07,800 --> 02:09:12,119
under the name John Berger Alcala
3385
02:09:10,500 --> 02:09:13,698
balanced a Playboy lifestyle with
3386
02:09:12,118 --> 02:09:16,198
coursework at New York University
3387
02:09:13,698 --> 02:09:19,500
including a film class taught by Future
3388
02:09:16,198 --> 02:09:21,839
sex offender Roman Polanski if NYPD
3389
02:09:19,500 --> 02:09:24,060
investigators are right Alcoa also
3390
02:09:21,840 --> 02:09:27,599
followed his crimes against talies with
3391
02:09:24,060 --> 02:09:31,080
another attack this one deadly on June
3392
02:09:27,599 --> 02:09:33,420
12 1971 someone reaped Cornelia Michael
3393
02:09:31,079 --> 02:09:35,880
Crilley and strangled her with her own
3394
02:09:33,420 --> 02:09:39,539
nylon stockings leaving her dead in her
3395
02:09:35,880 --> 02:09:41,639
apartment at 427 East 83rd Street the 23
3396
02:09:39,539 --> 02:09:43,560
year old TWA flight attendant had just
3397
02:09:41,639 --> 02:09:45,539
moved to the block back then famous
3398
02:09:43,560 --> 02:09:47,099
among Manhattan singles for its
3399
02:09:45,539 --> 02:09:49,979
unusually high concentration of
3400
02:09:47,099 --> 02:09:52,020
stewardesses and secretaries perhaps it
3401
02:09:49,979 --> 02:09:54,359
struck the attacker as a fertile hunting
3402
02:09:52,020 --> 02:09:56,940
ground at the time of the discovery of
3403
02:09:54,359 --> 02:10:00,179
the body the NYPD initially suspected
3404
02:09:56,939 --> 02:10:02,158
krilly's boyfriend Leon Borstein they
3405
02:10:00,179 --> 02:10:04,319
now believe that Rodney Alcala committed
3406
02:10:02,158 --> 02:10:06,238
the crime and say that saliva evidence
3407
02:10:04,319 --> 02:10:08,279
ties him to the crime scene
3408
02:10:06,238 --> 02:10:09,658
Borstein was then a Brooklyn assistant
3409
02:10:08,279 --> 02:10:11,579
district attorney
3410
02:10:09,658 --> 02:10:13,638
he has since served as the chief special
3411
02:10:11,579 --> 02:10:16,260
prosecutor for New York City
3412
02:10:13,639 --> 02:10:18,539
Borstein thinks Crilley met Alcala as
3413
02:10:16,260 --> 02:10:20,280
she moved into her new apartment he
3414
02:10:18,539 --> 02:10:22,079
speculates that the friendly young woman
3415
02:10:20,279 --> 02:10:23,519
might have accepted alcala's help in
3416
02:10:22,079 --> 02:10:25,679
moving some furniture
3417
02:10:23,520 --> 02:10:28,260
with the cops distracted by Borstein
3418
02:10:25,679 --> 02:10:31,020
Alcala slipped away again
3419
02:10:28,260 --> 02:10:33,119
still using the John Berger Alias he
3420
02:10:31,020 --> 02:10:35,580
took a job at a drama camp near New
3421
02:10:33,118 --> 02:10:37,618
Hampshire's Lake Sunapee when two
3422
02:10:35,579 --> 02:10:39,420
teenage girls took Shelter From a sudden
3423
02:10:37,618 --> 02:10:41,819
summer storm in the post office of the
3424
02:10:39,420 --> 02:10:43,440
Tiny Village of George's Mills they
3425
02:10:41,819 --> 02:10:45,599
noticed that their camp counselor John
3426
02:10:43,439 --> 02:10:47,638
Berger looked a lot like the Rodney
3427
02:10:45,599 --> 02:10:50,099
Alcala pictured on the FBI's 10 most
3428
02:10:47,639 --> 02:10:51,480
wanted poster the authorities were
3429
02:10:50,099 --> 02:10:53,940
seeking Alcala for the California
3430
02:10:51,479 --> 02:10:56,519
assault on Young talies
3431
02:10:53,939 --> 02:10:59,638
the Camper's alerted authorities and in
3432
02:10:56,520 --> 02:11:02,099
August of 1971 Alcala was arrested for
3433
02:10:59,639 --> 02:11:04,500
that crime the acrylic case was still
3434
02:11:02,099 --> 02:11:06,420
open but Alcala was found guilty and
3435
02:11:04,500 --> 02:11:07,500
sentenced for kidnapping and reaping
3436
02:11:06,420 --> 02:11:09,899
talies
3437
02:11:07,500 --> 02:11:11,880
thanks to then lenient California laws
3438
02:11:09,899 --> 02:11:13,859
that emphasized rehabilitating sex
3439
02:11:11,880 --> 02:11:16,980
offenders rather than putting them away
3440
02:11:13,859 --> 02:11:18,658
he served only 34 months despite
3441
02:11:16,979 --> 02:11:20,579
indications that the girl would have
3442
02:11:18,658 --> 02:11:22,859
died from her injuries had the witness
3443
02:11:20,579 --> 02:11:23,880
not LED police to alcala's apartment so
3444
02:11:22,859 --> 02:11:27,238
quickly
3445
02:11:23,880 --> 02:11:28,380
Rodney Alcala would soon be free to
3446
02:11:27,238 --> 02:11:31,859
strike again
3447
02:11:28,380 --> 02:11:34,859
in 1974 a 13-year-old girl known in
3448
02:11:31,859 --> 02:11:36,658
trial reports as Julie J made an
3449
02:11:34,859 --> 02:11:38,639
emergency call claiming that a man had
3450
02:11:36,658 --> 02:11:40,799
kidnapped her in Huntington Beach
3451
02:11:38,639 --> 02:11:42,900
she'd been waiting for the bus and
3452
02:11:40,800 --> 02:11:45,119
Rodney Alcala had offered her a ride to
3453
02:11:42,899 --> 02:11:47,339
school he then refused to let the
3454
02:11:45,118 --> 02:11:49,559
panicked girl out of his car until they
3455
02:11:47,340 --> 02:11:51,900
got to bolsachika State Beach
3456
02:11:49,560 --> 02:11:54,480
he dragged Julie to the cliffs forced
3457
02:11:51,899 --> 02:11:56,698
her to smoke marijuana and kissed her
3458
02:11:54,479 --> 02:11:58,979
Alcala was convicted only of violating
3459
02:11:56,698 --> 02:11:59,939
parole and Furnishing a minor with
3460
02:11:58,979 --> 02:12:02,158
marijuana
3461
02:11:59,939 --> 02:12:05,460
he spent just another two years in
3462
02:12:02,158 --> 02:12:07,259
prison when he got out alcala's trusting
3463
02:12:05,460 --> 02:12:09,118
parole officer gave him permission to go
3464
02:12:07,260 --> 02:12:12,960
to New York to visit relatives for the
3465
02:12:09,118 --> 02:12:15,118
summer of 1977. David Berkowitz better
3466
02:12:12,960 --> 02:12:16,800
known as the Son of Sam would be
3467
02:12:15,118 --> 02:12:18,960
arrested that August for a two-year
3468
02:12:16,800 --> 02:12:21,179
crime spree during which he shot Seven
3469
02:12:18,960 --> 02:12:21,899
young women and two men around New York
3470
02:12:21,179 --> 02:12:24,899
City
3471
02:12:21,899 --> 02:12:28,259
Alcala allegedly added to this summer of
3472
02:12:24,899 --> 02:12:29,879
Terror NYPD investigators believe Alcala
3473
02:12:28,260 --> 02:12:30,900
murdered a young Manhattan socialite
3474
02:12:29,880 --> 02:12:33,779
that summer
3475
02:12:30,899 --> 02:12:36,539
Ellen hover 23 was the daughter of
3476
02:12:33,779 --> 02:12:38,519
hermannhover the owner of Ciro's a
3477
02:12:36,539 --> 02:12:40,979
legendary Hollywood nightclub
3478
02:12:38,520 --> 02:12:44,159
Ciro's was first the epitome of big band
3479
02:12:40,979 --> 02:12:46,919
swing the height of rat pack glamor
3480
02:12:44,158 --> 02:12:49,859
Sammy Davis Jr and Dean Martin served as
3481
02:12:46,920 --> 02:12:52,440
Ellen's Godfathers her grandmother was a
3482
02:12:49,859 --> 02:12:54,658
gossip writer her Aunt Sheila Weller
3483
02:12:52,439 --> 02:12:56,698
writes for Vanity Fair
3484
02:12:54,658 --> 02:12:58,920
Ellen Hover was last seen in her
3485
02:12:56,698 --> 02:13:00,678
apartment on 3rd Avenue at 44th Street
3486
02:12:58,920 --> 02:13:03,719
on July 15
3487
02:13:00,679 --> 02:13:05,578
1977. her date book showed that she had
3488
02:13:03,719 --> 02:13:07,439
an appointment to meet with one John
3489
02:13:05,578 --> 02:13:09,179
Berger that same day
3490
02:13:07,439 --> 02:13:11,460
her stepfather hired a private
3491
02:13:09,179 --> 02:13:13,800
investigator and the family took out an
3492
02:13:11,460 --> 02:13:15,658
ad in the New York Times soliciting
3493
02:13:13,800 --> 02:13:18,719
information on the mysterious John
3494
02:13:15,658 --> 02:13:21,658
Berger Alcala simply moved back to Los
3495
02:13:18,719 --> 02:13:23,578
Angeles reverted to his own name and got
3496
02:13:21,658 --> 02:13:24,779
a job as a typesetter at the Los Angeles
3497
02:13:23,578 --> 02:13:27,238
Times
3498
02:13:24,779 --> 02:13:29,880
no one came forward with information on
3499
02:13:27,238 --> 02:13:32,339
John Berger until later that year
3500
02:13:29,880 --> 02:13:34,139
a tip to the FBI pointed out that a New
3501
02:13:32,340 --> 02:13:36,060
Hampshire Drama Camp counselor named
3502
02:13:34,139 --> 02:13:37,980
John Berger had been taken away by the
3503
02:13:36,060 --> 02:13:40,619
police a few years before
3504
02:13:37,979 --> 02:13:43,078
the FBI finally connected the dots and
3505
02:13:40,618 --> 02:13:45,420
questioned Alcala in Los Angeles
3506
02:13:43,078 --> 02:13:47,279
he admitted knowing Ellen hover but
3507
02:13:45,420 --> 02:13:49,739
investigators hadn't yet found her body
3508
02:13:47,279 --> 02:13:50,819
so they let him go and apparently filed
3509
02:13:49,738 --> 02:13:53,098
the case away
3510
02:13:50,819 --> 02:13:55,019
Ellen hover's body was eventually found
3511
02:13:53,099 --> 02:13:57,480
on the Rockefeller estate in North
3512
02:13:55,020 --> 02:14:00,119
Tarrytown New York just miles from a
3513
02:13:57,479 --> 02:14:02,039
hover family summer house and mere yards
3514
02:14:00,118 --> 02:14:04,380
from where an aspiring model would later
3515
02:14:02,039 --> 02:14:07,800
report that Berger had taken photos of
3516
02:14:04,380 --> 02:14:10,618
her meanwhile Rodney Alcala was up to
3517
02:14:07,800 --> 02:14:12,960
his old tricks while New York was busy
3518
02:14:10,618 --> 02:14:15,598
with the Son of Sam killings Los Angeles
3519
02:14:12,960 --> 02:14:17,279
endured the Hillside Strangler which
3520
02:14:15,599 --> 02:14:18,960
actually turned out to be two men who
3521
02:14:17,279 --> 02:14:20,340
were killing young women and dumping
3522
02:14:18,960 --> 02:14:21,658
their bodies in the wooded Ravines
3523
02:14:20,340 --> 02:14:25,380
around the city
3524
02:14:21,658 --> 02:14:26,638
and Los Angeles also had Rodney Alcala
3525
02:14:25,380 --> 02:14:28,199
again
3526
02:14:26,639 --> 02:14:30,179
the Los Angeles Police Department
3527
02:14:28,198 --> 02:14:33,359
initially thought the murder of Jill
3528
02:14:30,179 --> 02:14:36,000
barkholm 18 was the hillside strangler's
3529
02:14:33,359 --> 02:14:37,559
work Jill barcombe was a runaway
3530
02:14:36,000 --> 02:14:40,738
originally from Brooklyn
3531
02:14:37,560 --> 02:14:42,719
one of 11 kids she'd volunteered as a
3532
02:14:40,738 --> 02:14:43,618
candy striper and played the trumpet in
3533
02:14:42,719 --> 02:14:45,779
high school
3534
02:14:43,618 --> 02:14:47,519
she was barely five feet tall and
3535
02:14:45,779 --> 02:14:49,078
weighed less than 100 pounds when her
3536
02:14:47,520 --> 02:14:50,040
abductor picked her up on Sunset
3537
02:14:49,078 --> 02:14:52,019
Boulevard
3538
02:14:50,039 --> 02:14:54,658
her lifeless body showed up on a service
3539
02:14:52,020 --> 02:14:58,440
road off Mulholland Drive near Marlon
3540
02:14:54,658 --> 02:15:00,479
Brando's home in November 1977 the
3541
02:14:58,439 --> 02:15:01,618
discovery of barcom's corpse interrupted
3542
02:15:00,479 --> 02:15:03,959
a film shoot
3543
02:15:01,618 --> 02:15:05,578
she was nude kneeling as if she'd been
3544
02:15:03,960 --> 02:15:08,158
deliberately posed
3545
02:15:05,578 --> 02:15:11,039
her skull had been crushed probably with
3546
02:15:08,158 --> 02:15:13,500
a bloodied rock found nearby she'd been
3547
02:15:11,039 --> 02:15:16,920
assaulted and she'd been strangled three
3548
02:15:13,500 --> 02:15:18,920
times with a belt with her pantyhose and
3549
02:15:16,920 --> 02:15:21,480
with one of her pants legs
3550
02:15:18,920 --> 02:15:24,420
investigators now say that DNA evidence
3551
02:15:21,479 --> 02:15:26,519
at the scene matches Alcala the Hillside
3552
02:15:24,420 --> 02:15:28,739
Strangler task force eventually followed
3553
02:15:26,520 --> 02:15:31,560
Alcala to his mother's home interviewing
3554
02:15:28,738 --> 02:15:33,299
him there in March 1978. they were
3555
02:15:31,560 --> 02:15:34,079
questioning all sex offenders in the
3556
02:15:33,300 --> 02:15:36,119
area
3557
02:15:34,078 --> 02:15:37,799
they didn't actually suspect him of the
3558
02:15:36,118 --> 02:15:39,179
killings but did charge him with
3559
02:15:37,800 --> 02:15:41,820
possession of a small amount of
3560
02:15:39,179 --> 02:15:45,300
marijuana he was out of jail on the drug
3561
02:15:41,819 --> 02:15:47,880
charge by the end of June soon after he
3562
02:15:45,300 --> 02:15:51,360
appeared on The Dating Game but Rodney
3563
02:15:47,880 --> 02:15:55,440
Alcala had already claimed other victims
3564
02:15:51,359 --> 02:15:57,658
in December 1977 Georgia wicksted a 27
3565
02:15:55,439 --> 02:16:00,299
year old nurse was discovered dead in
3566
02:15:57,658 --> 02:16:02,698
her Malibu apartment this was just a
3567
02:16:00,300 --> 02:16:04,739
month after Jill barcone's murder and a
3568
02:16:02,698 --> 02:16:07,019
mere few days after the FBI had
3569
02:16:04,738 --> 02:16:09,059
questioned Rodney Alcala regarding Ellen
3570
02:16:07,020 --> 02:16:09,840
hover's death in New York earlier that
3571
02:16:09,060 --> 02:16:13,500
year
3572
02:16:09,840 --> 02:16:16,260
wixted 27 was last seen when she drove
3573
02:16:13,500 --> 02:16:18,779
another nurse Barbara Gale home from a
3574
02:16:16,260 --> 02:16:20,760
bar when she didn't show up for work the
3575
02:16:18,779 --> 02:16:23,279
next day Gail and her co-workers
3576
02:16:20,760 --> 02:16:25,679
reported her missing police arrived at
3577
02:16:23,279 --> 02:16:28,679
wickstead's apartment to find signs of
3578
02:16:25,679 --> 02:16:30,899
forced entry wixted was posed naked on
3579
02:16:28,679 --> 02:16:31,920
her bedroom floor strangled with her
3580
02:16:30,899 --> 02:16:34,920
nylons
3581
02:16:31,920 --> 02:16:37,379
she'd been assaulted and her skull had
3582
02:16:34,920 --> 02:16:40,500
been bashed in apparently with a nearby
3583
02:16:37,379 --> 02:16:42,959
hammer prosecutors now say DNA evidence
3584
02:16:40,500 --> 02:16:44,280
and a handprint found at the scene match
3585
02:16:42,959 --> 02:16:46,858
alcalas
3586
02:16:44,280 --> 02:16:49,979
Rodney alcala's crimes seemed to have
3587
02:16:46,859 --> 02:16:53,159
been falling into a pattern but no one
3588
02:16:49,978 --> 02:16:56,218
saw it at the time in June 1978
3589
02:16:53,159 --> 02:16:58,558
Charlotte lamb a 32 year old legal
3590
02:16:56,218 --> 02:17:00,598
secretary from Santa Monica was found
3591
02:16:58,558 --> 02:17:02,159
dead under similar circumstances in the
3592
02:17:00,599 --> 02:17:05,159
laundry room of the apartment complex
3593
02:17:02,159 --> 02:17:08,039
where she was living in El Segundo she'd
3594
02:17:05,159 --> 02:17:10,319
been assaulted beaten and strangled with
3595
02:17:08,040 --> 02:17:13,500
a shoelace and was posed with her hands
3596
02:17:10,319 --> 02:17:15,299
behind her back DNA at the scene would
3597
02:17:13,500 --> 02:17:18,120
once again turn out to match that of
3598
02:17:15,299 --> 02:17:19,978
Rodney Alcala and DNA on a pair of
3599
02:17:18,120 --> 02:17:22,200
earrings found in his storage locker
3600
02:17:19,978 --> 02:17:25,019
after Robin samso's murder would
3601
02:17:22,200 --> 02:17:26,939
eventually prove to match Lamb's DNA
3602
02:17:25,019 --> 02:17:28,978
Alcala had been interviewed by the
3603
02:17:26,939 --> 02:17:30,719
Hillside Strangler task force in
3604
02:17:28,978 --> 02:17:33,179
conjunction with Jill barcom's death
3605
02:17:30,718 --> 02:17:37,500
just weeks before he allegedly whipped
3606
02:17:33,179 --> 02:17:40,200
and killed lamb there would be more in
3607
02:17:37,500 --> 02:17:42,299
February 1979 Rodney Alcala later
3608
02:17:40,200 --> 02:17:45,300
confessed he picked up a 15 year old
3609
02:17:42,299 --> 02:17:48,179
hitchhiker in Riverside County he drove
3610
02:17:45,299 --> 02:17:50,518
Monique H to his apartment and they
3611
02:17:48,179 --> 02:17:53,280
engaged in Intercourse supposedly with
3612
02:17:50,519 --> 02:17:55,679
her consent in the morning they drove to
3613
02:17:53,280 --> 02:17:57,659
the mountains Alcala took nude photos of
3614
02:17:55,679 --> 02:17:59,819
her as well as several of the two of
3615
02:17:57,659 --> 02:18:03,299
them simulating sex acts
3616
02:17:59,819 --> 02:18:04,319
but he scared her she screamed and tried
3617
02:18:03,299 --> 02:18:07,739
to get away
3618
02:18:04,319 --> 02:18:09,539
he tied her up beat and ripped her in
3619
02:18:07,739 --> 02:18:11,638
his confession he would claim that it
3620
02:18:09,540 --> 02:18:14,399
hadn't been planned and that things had
3621
02:18:11,638 --> 02:18:15,478
gone wrong he'd lost control of the
3622
02:18:14,398 --> 02:18:18,299
situation
3623
02:18:15,478 --> 02:18:20,340
he drove her back to Riverside from a
3624
02:18:18,299 --> 02:18:23,398
motel she called the police to report
3625
02:18:20,340 --> 02:18:26,700
the rape and kidnapping Rodney alcala's
3626
02:18:23,398 --> 02:18:27,659
mother posted bail and he would strike
3627
02:18:26,700 --> 02:18:31,740
again
3628
02:18:27,659 --> 02:18:33,959
in June 1979 Jill parenteau a 21 year
3629
02:18:31,739 --> 02:18:36,299
old computer key punch operator left
3630
02:18:33,959 --> 02:18:38,039
work early to go to a baseball game
3631
02:18:36,299 --> 02:18:40,018
when she didn't make it to work the next
3632
02:18:38,040 --> 02:18:41,460
day police went to her Burbank apartment
3633
02:18:40,019 --> 02:18:43,679
to investigate
3634
02:18:41,459 --> 02:18:45,959
they once again found a scene of forced
3635
02:18:43,679 --> 02:18:48,420
entry and a woman dead
3636
02:18:45,959 --> 02:18:49,558
parental was dead naked on her bathroom
3637
02:18:48,420 --> 02:18:51,840
floor
3638
02:18:49,558 --> 02:18:55,739
she was posed with pillows under her
3639
02:18:51,840 --> 02:18:58,019
shoulders she'd been insulted beaten and
3640
02:18:55,739 --> 02:18:59,459
strangled her Killer cut himself
3641
02:18:58,019 --> 02:19:01,380
crawling in a window
3642
02:18:59,459 --> 02:19:03,598
blood evidence matching that of three
3643
02:19:01,379 --> 02:19:06,179
percent of the population did not rule
3644
02:19:03,599 --> 02:19:07,200
out or confirm Rodney al-kawa as the
3645
02:19:06,179 --> 02:19:09,420
perpetrator
3646
02:19:07,200 --> 02:19:11,639
parentos friend Catherine Bryant
3647
02:19:09,420 --> 02:19:14,099
testified that she and parento had met
3648
02:19:11,638 --> 02:19:16,138
Alcala at a club several times
3649
02:19:14,099 --> 02:19:18,359
the same month that Jill parenteau was
3650
02:19:16,138 --> 02:19:21,539
ripped and murdered Alcala allegedly
3651
02:19:18,359 --> 02:19:24,899
killed an underage girl on June 20th
3652
02:19:21,540 --> 02:19:27,420
1979 Robin samso a 12 year old
3653
02:19:24,898 --> 02:19:28,799
Huntington Beach girl was on her way to
3654
02:19:27,420 --> 02:19:31,019
ballet class
3655
02:19:28,799 --> 02:19:33,058
she was late so she'd borrowed her best
3656
02:19:31,019 --> 02:19:35,819
friend's yellow Schwinn bicycle
3657
02:19:33,058 --> 02:19:38,039
she and the bicycle disappeared that day
3658
02:19:35,819 --> 02:19:40,500
her decomposing body was later found in
3659
02:19:38,040 --> 02:19:43,500
the foothills of the Sierra Madres
3660
02:19:40,500 --> 02:19:45,599
earlier neighbor Jackie young had chased
3661
02:19:43,500 --> 02:19:47,700
a strange man away from Robin samso and
3662
02:19:45,599 --> 02:19:49,439
her friend Bridget wilvert when they
3663
02:19:47,700 --> 02:19:52,560
were playing along Huntington Beach's
3664
02:19:49,439 --> 02:19:54,180
low Cliffs according to Young the man
3665
02:19:52,559 --> 02:19:56,519
was trying to get little girls in
3666
02:19:54,180 --> 02:19:58,380
swimsuits to let him photograph them
3667
02:19:56,520 --> 02:20:00,120
young and wilvert would later provide
3668
02:19:58,379 --> 02:20:02,159
police with information that helped them
3669
02:20:00,120 --> 02:20:05,040
produce a sketch that a parole officer
3670
02:20:02,159 --> 02:20:09,780
would recognize as Rodney Alcala Tony
3671
02:20:05,040 --> 02:20:12,120
Esparza 15 and Joanne merchland 14 would
3672
02:20:09,780 --> 02:20:14,340
later testify that on June 19th at the
3673
02:20:12,120 --> 02:20:15,960
same Beach a man fitting alcala's
3674
02:20:14,340 --> 02:20:18,180
description had offered the marijuana
3675
02:20:15,959 --> 02:20:19,619
and begged to take their photos for a
3676
02:20:18,180 --> 02:20:21,840
bikini contest
3677
02:20:19,620 --> 02:20:24,359
several other Witnesses including
3678
02:20:21,840 --> 02:20:26,398
Lorraine Wertz and Patty Elmendorf said
3679
02:20:24,359 --> 02:20:29,280
that Alcala had accosted them on June
3680
02:20:26,398 --> 02:20:31,799
20th Esparza and merchland came forward
3681
02:20:29,280 --> 02:20:34,200
when they saw Alcala on the news
3682
02:20:31,799 --> 02:20:35,938
warts was contacted after police found a
3683
02:20:34,200 --> 02:20:39,300
photo of wurtz in alcala's Seattle
3684
02:20:35,939 --> 02:20:41,340
storage locker Dana crappa then working
3685
02:20:39,299 --> 02:20:43,978
as a ranger in the Los Angeles National
3686
02:20:41,340 --> 02:20:45,659
Forest had testified that she saw a man
3687
02:20:43,978 --> 02:20:47,579
trying to lead a girl down to a stream
3688
02:20:45,659 --> 02:20:50,159
the same day that Robin samso
3689
02:20:47,579 --> 02:20:52,799
disappeared she says he was driving a
3690
02:20:50,159 --> 02:20:56,520
Datsun F10 which was the make and model
3691
02:20:52,799 --> 02:20:59,099
that Alcala owned in 1979. 12 Days After
3692
02:20:56,520 --> 02:21:01,859
samso's disappearance William popkey
3693
02:20:59,100 --> 02:21:04,680
another U.S parks ranger found Robin
3694
02:21:01,859 --> 02:21:06,420
samso's decomposing remains
3695
02:21:04,680 --> 02:21:09,659
he initially assumed they were deer
3696
02:21:06,420 --> 02:21:11,579
bones and tossed one to krapa Robin's
3697
02:21:09,659 --> 02:21:13,739
left foot and portions of her hands were
3698
02:21:11,579 --> 02:21:16,559
missing and her skull had been separated
3699
02:21:13,739 --> 02:21:18,239
from her neck a kitchen knife and one of
3700
02:21:16,559 --> 02:21:19,859
her shoes were nearby
3701
02:21:18,239 --> 02:21:21,840
the decomposition meant that
3702
02:21:19,859 --> 02:21:25,859
investigators were unable to determine
3703
02:21:21,840 --> 02:21:28,439
whether she'd been right on July 24 1979
3704
02:21:25,859 --> 02:21:31,140
police arrested Alcala at his mother's
3705
02:21:28,439 --> 02:21:34,500
Madre Park home they soon charged him
3706
02:21:31,139 --> 02:21:37,920
with the murder of Robin samso the story
3707
02:21:34,500 --> 02:21:39,840
was far from over when investigators
3708
02:21:37,920 --> 02:21:41,760
searched Rodney alcala's mother's house
3709
02:21:39,840 --> 02:21:43,318
they found a receipt for a storage
3710
02:21:41,760 --> 02:21:45,478
locker in Seattle
3711
02:21:43,318 --> 02:21:48,539
the locker held numerous photographs of
3712
02:21:45,478 --> 02:21:50,459
young girls including one of lorry wurtz
3713
02:21:48,540 --> 02:21:53,340
they also found a pair of gold ball
3714
02:21:50,459 --> 02:21:56,279
earrings allegedly worn by Robin samso
3715
02:21:53,340 --> 02:21:59,219
and belonging to her mother Alcala still
3716
02:21:56,280 --> 02:22:01,620
claims he'd long owned those himself the
3717
02:21:59,219 --> 02:22:05,219
second pair of earrings with tiny roses
3718
02:22:01,620 --> 02:22:08,100
wood years later reveal Charlotte Lamb's
3719
02:22:05,219 --> 02:22:09,959
DNA police believe that Alcala was
3720
02:22:08,100 --> 02:22:11,960
keeping the photos and earrings as
3721
02:22:09,959 --> 02:22:14,398
trophies of his crimes
3722
02:22:11,959 --> 02:22:16,978
Alcala apparently spent just a few days
3723
02:22:14,398 --> 02:22:19,500
in Seattle that July he told his
3724
02:22:16,978 --> 02:22:21,478
girlfriend Elizabeth Keller that he'd
3725
02:22:19,500 --> 02:22:23,700
been in Dallas where he said he was
3726
02:22:21,478 --> 02:22:25,500
planning to open a photography studio
3727
02:22:23,700 --> 02:22:27,600
he told other friends and acquaintances
3728
02:22:25,500 --> 02:22:29,040
that he was moving to Chicago
3729
02:22:27,600 --> 02:22:31,340
with the evidence from the storage
3730
02:22:29,040 --> 02:22:33,780
locker and testimony from Witnesses
3731
02:22:31,340 --> 02:22:36,659
prosecutors brought Alcala to trial for
3732
02:22:33,780 --> 02:22:39,659
his crimes against Robin samso Robin
3733
02:22:36,659 --> 02:22:42,180
samso's mother Marianne Connolly brought
3734
02:22:39,659 --> 02:22:44,459
a 25-caliber pistol to the trial
3735
02:22:42,180 --> 02:22:46,500
she ultimately decided not to use it
3736
02:22:44,459 --> 02:22:48,959
believing that the legal system would
3737
02:22:46,500 --> 02:22:52,318
deal justly with her daughter's killer
3738
02:22:48,959 --> 02:22:54,239
Alcala had an alibi he claimed at the
3739
02:22:52,318 --> 02:22:56,639
time of her abduction he was at Knott's
3740
02:22:54,239 --> 02:22:59,639
Berry Farm applying for a job to become
3741
02:22:56,639 --> 02:23:02,398
a disco photographer alcala's sisters
3742
02:22:59,639 --> 02:23:05,279
Christine De La cerda and Marie troiano
3743
02:23:02,398 --> 02:23:07,079
and his mother insisted that Alcala had
3744
02:23:05,280 --> 02:23:08,819
called both sisters from his mother's
3745
02:23:07,079 --> 02:23:09,659
house around the time of Robin's
3746
02:23:08,818 --> 02:23:11,639
abduction
3747
02:23:09,659 --> 02:23:13,859
while those calls do appear on phone
3748
02:23:11,639 --> 02:23:16,318
bills there's no way of confirming
3749
02:23:13,859 --> 02:23:19,680
whether Alcala or his mother made them
3750
02:23:16,318 --> 02:23:21,659
in 1978 Rodney James Alcala was found
3751
02:23:19,680 --> 02:23:24,359
guilty of first-degree murder with a
3752
02:23:21,659 --> 02:23:26,340
deadly weapon and kidnapping the
3753
02:23:24,359 --> 02:23:28,318
kidnapping charge qualified as a special
3754
02:23:26,340 --> 02:23:31,079
circumstance that exposed him to the
3755
02:23:28,318 --> 02:23:33,600
death penalty Marianne Connolly though
3756
02:23:31,079 --> 02:23:34,739
never worked again and she developed a
3757
02:23:33,600 --> 02:23:38,399
drug problem
3758
02:23:34,739 --> 02:23:40,978
's three siblings Tara Ann Tim and
3759
02:23:38,398 --> 02:23:43,619
Robert were never the same
3760
02:23:40,978 --> 02:23:45,119
because alcala's conviction was
3761
02:23:43,620 --> 02:23:46,680
overturned
3762
02:23:45,120 --> 02:23:49,020
twice
3763
02:23:46,680 --> 02:23:51,600
Rodney Alcala was twice found guilty of
3764
02:23:49,020 --> 02:23:53,760
the kidnapping and murder of Robin samso
3765
02:23:51,600 --> 02:23:55,800
both convictions were overturned on
3766
02:23:53,760 --> 02:23:59,100
technicalities first by the California
3767
02:23:55,799 --> 02:24:02,398
Supreme Court in 1984 then by a U.S
3768
02:23:59,100 --> 02:24:04,800
Circuit Court of Appeals in 2001. in
3769
02:24:02,398 --> 02:24:06,478
1984 the California Supreme Court
3770
02:24:04,799 --> 02:24:08,159
decided that the jury shouldn't have
3771
02:24:06,478 --> 02:24:09,539
been allowed to hear about alcala's
3772
02:24:08,159 --> 02:24:11,939
other convictions
3773
02:24:09,540 --> 02:24:13,620
furthermore the judges believe the two
3774
02:24:11,939 --> 02:24:16,020
of alcala's inmates who testified
3775
02:24:13,620 --> 02:24:17,939
against him had perjured themselves
3776
02:24:16,020 --> 02:24:20,280
Robert Dove and Michael Herrera
3777
02:24:17,939 --> 02:24:22,020
testified that Alcala had told Herrera
3778
02:24:20,280 --> 02:24:24,359
that he had lured the girl into his car
3779
02:24:22,020 --> 02:24:26,100
by offering her money for photos and
3780
02:24:24,359 --> 02:24:27,000
promising to drive her to her ballet
3781
02:24:26,100 --> 02:24:29,579
class
3782
02:24:27,000 --> 02:24:31,920
Dove had overheard the conversation in
3783
02:24:29,579 --> 02:24:34,079
which Alcala allegedly had told Herrera
3784
02:24:31,920 --> 02:24:35,398
that he hadn't stabbed the girl but beat
3785
02:24:34,079 --> 02:24:37,799
her unconscious
3786
02:24:35,398 --> 02:24:39,659
Herrera also said that Alcala told him
3787
02:24:37,799 --> 02:24:42,179
that he'd left the girl's bicycle behind
3788
02:24:39,659 --> 02:24:44,398
a thrift store the owner of a thrift
3789
02:24:42,180 --> 02:24:46,439
store in El Monte testified that he had
3790
02:24:44,398 --> 02:24:49,739
indeed found a child's yellow Schwinn
3791
02:24:46,439 --> 02:24:51,479
behind a shop in 2001 the defense
3792
02:24:49,739 --> 02:24:53,340
claimed that the prosecution hadn't
3793
02:24:51,478 --> 02:24:55,920
properly handled Dana crappa's
3794
02:24:53,340 --> 02:24:57,659
statements she had claimed Amnesia and
3795
02:24:55,920 --> 02:24:59,939
didn't testify during the second trial
3796
02:24:57,659 --> 02:25:01,318
but her previous testimony was presented
3797
02:24:59,939 --> 02:25:03,960
in her absence
3798
02:25:01,318 --> 02:25:06,420
Alcala remained in prison and he's been
3799
02:25:03,959 --> 02:25:08,519
keeping himself busy he's tried to sue
3800
02:25:06,420 --> 02:25:10,978
the California state prison system over
3801
02:25:08,520 --> 02:25:13,020
fall that he took and over refusing to
3802
02:25:10,978 --> 02:25:15,059
provide him with a low-fat diet
3803
02:25:13,020 --> 02:25:16,800
he's spoken out against the new state
3804
02:25:15,059 --> 02:25:19,439
policy of routinely testing and
3805
02:25:16,799 --> 02:25:21,420
comparing DNA the practice that has tied
3806
02:25:19,439 --> 02:25:24,840
him to the rapes or murders of Jill
3807
02:25:21,420 --> 02:25:28,500
barcom Georgia wixted Charlotte lamb and
3808
02:25:24,840 --> 02:25:31,380
Jill parento and in 1994 he wrote a book
3809
02:25:28,500 --> 02:25:33,420
defending himself you the jury
3810
02:25:31,379 --> 02:25:36,659
he still denies that he killed Robin
3811
02:25:33,420 --> 02:25:39,239
samso he's flip-flopped first saying
3812
02:25:36,659 --> 02:25:42,359
that an insanity defense esculpates him
3813
02:25:39,239 --> 02:25:44,760
in the deaths of barkholm wicksted lamb
3814
02:25:42,359 --> 02:25:46,318
and parento and then insisting that he
3815
02:25:44,760 --> 02:25:48,478
didn't kill them either
3816
02:25:46,318 --> 02:25:50,760
but now he's on trial for the deaths of
3817
02:25:48,478 --> 02:25:52,978
the girl and all four women
3818
02:25:50,760 --> 02:25:55,620
Rodney James Alcala was accused of
3819
02:25:52,978 --> 02:25:58,679
killing Robin samso Jill barcombe
3820
02:25:55,620 --> 02:26:01,319
Georgia wixted Charlotte lamb and Jill
3821
02:25:58,680 --> 02:26:03,239
parento he was eligible for the death
3822
02:26:01,318 --> 02:26:05,279
penalty due to special circumstances
3823
02:26:03,239 --> 02:26:08,039
because he was accused of multiple
3824
02:26:05,280 --> 02:26:10,500
murders as well as murder during rape or
3825
02:26:08,040 --> 02:26:12,780
kidnapping he objected to trying the
3826
02:26:10,500 --> 02:26:15,959
five murders in a single case
3827
02:26:12,780 --> 02:26:18,540
Superior Court Judge Francisco P Briseno
3828
02:26:15,959 --> 02:26:21,299
presided over the case in Santa Ana
3829
02:26:18,540 --> 02:26:24,420
California Deputy district attorney Matt
3830
02:26:21,299 --> 02:26:27,358
Murphy was Prosecuting during Dating
3831
02:26:24,420 --> 02:26:29,398
Game Killer Rodney alcala's 2010 trial
3832
02:26:27,359 --> 02:26:32,818
Orange County Deputy district attorney
3833
02:26:29,398 --> 02:26:34,799
Matt Murphy called Alcala a monster and
3834
02:26:32,818 --> 02:26:36,898
said he deserved to die
3835
02:26:34,799 --> 02:26:38,699
he told the jury that Alcala was a
3836
02:26:36,898 --> 02:26:42,119
hunter who stalked and killed his prey
3837
02:26:38,700 --> 02:26:43,800
simply because he liked it Murphy
3838
02:26:42,120 --> 02:26:45,660
alleged that Alcala would strangle
3839
02:26:43,799 --> 02:26:46,679
victims with his bare hands until they
3840
02:26:45,659 --> 02:26:49,020
passed out
3841
02:26:46,680 --> 02:26:52,380
he'd strangle them again with pantyhose
3842
02:26:49,020 --> 02:26:54,720
or shoelaces once they were dead he'd
3843
02:26:52,379 --> 02:26:58,438
pose their bodies and take pictures
3844
02:26:54,719 --> 02:27:00,959
on February 25th 2010 a third jury found
3845
02:26:58,439 --> 02:27:03,359
Dating Game Killer Rodney Alcala guilty
3846
02:27:00,959 --> 02:27:06,239
of the 1979 murder and kidnapping of
3847
02:27:03,359 --> 02:27:09,479
Huntington Beach ballerina Robin samso
3848
02:27:06,239 --> 02:27:11,579
12. they also finally found him guilty
3849
02:27:09,478 --> 02:27:14,279
of first-degree murder in the deaths of
3850
02:27:11,579 --> 02:27:17,939
four adult women Jill barcom Georgia
3851
02:27:14,280 --> 02:27:21,079
wixted Charlotte lamb and Jill parento
3852
02:27:17,939 --> 02:27:23,639
on March 30th 2010 judge Francisco
3853
02:27:21,079 --> 02:27:26,520
preseno sentenced him to death for the
3854
02:27:23,639 --> 02:27:28,619
crimes it was alcala's third death
3855
02:27:26,520 --> 02:27:30,479
sentence the verdict in his other two
3856
02:27:28,620 --> 02:27:33,180
trials for samso's murder were
3857
02:27:30,478 --> 02:27:35,519
overturned if third time's the charm
3858
02:27:33,180 --> 02:27:38,340
maybe the sentence will stick this time
3859
02:27:35,520 --> 02:27:40,200
but the haunting contents of alcala's
3860
02:27:38,340 --> 02:27:42,359
Seattle storage locker have left
3861
02:27:40,200 --> 02:27:44,640
Huntington Beach Police fearing that
3862
02:27:42,359 --> 02:27:46,439
this fiend's crimes weren't limited to
3863
02:27:44,639 --> 02:27:48,599
the deadly civil assaults in Southern
3864
02:27:46,439 --> 02:27:50,898
California for which this trial is
3865
02:27:48,600 --> 02:27:54,439
hopefully finally brought Justice
3866
02:27:50,898 --> 02:27:57,779
unsurprisingly the trial was a circus
3867
02:27:54,439 --> 02:27:59,579
Alcala defended himself judge brazeno
3868
02:27:57,780 --> 02:28:01,020
had to speak privately with Alcala
3869
02:27:59,579 --> 02:28:03,659
numerous times throughout the
3870
02:28:01,020 --> 02:28:06,180
proceedings to explain basic legal terms
3871
02:28:03,659 --> 02:28:09,119
to him and to curb the 66 year olds
3872
02:28:06,180 --> 02:28:11,159
theatrics new forensic evidence butcher
3873
02:28:09,120 --> 02:28:12,720
sing the charges against Alcala for his
3874
02:28:11,159 --> 02:28:14,579
crimes against the women was
3875
02:28:12,719 --> 02:28:16,679
supplemented by testimony from two other
3876
02:28:14,579 --> 02:28:19,200
victims whom he'd long been convicted
3877
02:28:16,680 --> 02:28:21,540
and sentenced for assault he'd picked up
3878
02:28:19,200 --> 02:28:24,140
Monique H to take photographs brought
3879
02:28:21,540 --> 02:28:27,780
her to a secluded rural area then beat
3880
02:28:24,139 --> 02:28:29,519
sodomized and raped her Alcala did what
3881
02:28:27,780 --> 02:28:32,399
he could to avoid the charges in their
3882
02:28:29,520 --> 02:28:34,920
penalty early in the trial he showed a
3883
02:28:32,398 --> 02:28:37,199
clip from his winning 1978 appearance on
3884
02:28:34,920 --> 02:28:38,879
television's Dating Game claiming that
3885
02:28:37,200 --> 02:28:40,859
it showed him already wearing the
3886
02:28:38,879 --> 02:28:42,239
earrings that supposedly tied him to the
3887
02:28:40,859 --> 02:28:44,460
samso murder
3888
02:28:42,239 --> 02:28:46,799
jurors seem to have trouble making out
3889
02:28:44,459 --> 02:28:49,619
the earrings and the grainy footage they
3890
02:28:46,799 --> 02:28:52,079
weren't convinced by his defense in his
3891
02:28:49,620 --> 02:28:54,000
closing arguments Alcala told jurors
3892
02:28:52,079 --> 02:28:56,639
that if they gave him the death penalty
3893
02:28:54,000 --> 02:28:58,920
they would be Killers themselves
3894
02:28:56,639 --> 02:29:02,219
he then played them an extract from Arlo
3895
02:28:58,920 --> 02:29:05,040
Guthrie's Alice's Restaurant massacree a
3896
02:29:02,219 --> 02:29:10,219
sprawling anti-vietnam epic I want to
3897
02:29:05,040 --> 02:29:14,280
kill I mean I wanna I wanna kill
3898
02:29:10,219 --> 02:29:16,559
I wanna I wanna see I wanna see blood
3899
02:29:14,280 --> 02:29:21,739
and gore and guts and veins in my teeth
3900
02:29:16,559 --> 02:29:24,299
I mean kill kill kill kill kill kill
3901
02:29:21,739 --> 02:29:26,340
Alcala reminded the jury that he would
3902
02:29:24,299 --> 02:29:29,099
fight a death sentence and it would be
3903
02:29:26,340 --> 02:29:30,960
automatically appealed he suggested that
3904
02:29:29,100 --> 02:29:31,800
a life sentence would be easiest for
3905
02:29:30,959 --> 02:29:34,199
everyone
3906
02:29:31,799 --> 02:29:37,920
the families of the victims spoke at the
3907
02:29:34,200 --> 02:29:40,859
sentencing in 2005 Jill barcom's Brother
3908
02:29:37,920 --> 02:29:43,439
Bruce had sent Alcala a present a copy
3909
02:29:40,859 --> 02:29:46,079
of Out of the Shadows a book on sex
3910
02:29:43,439 --> 02:29:47,700
addiction with the book he had sent a
3911
02:29:46,079 --> 02:29:49,680
letter in which he begged Alcala to
3912
02:29:47,700 --> 02:29:51,840
spare the families the pain of a trial
3913
02:29:49,680 --> 02:29:55,079
and confess to any murders he'd
3914
02:29:51,840 --> 02:29:57,000
committed clearly Bruce barcom hadn't
3915
02:29:55,079 --> 02:29:57,959
persuaded this brutal killer to come
3916
02:29:57,000 --> 02:30:00,420
clean
3917
02:29:57,959 --> 02:30:02,639
after all Cal was convicted Huntington
3918
02:30:00,420 --> 02:30:04,559
Beach detectives released photos from
3919
02:30:02,639 --> 02:30:06,358
the Shoreline Washington storage locker
3920
02:30:04,559 --> 02:30:08,818
where Alcala had squirreled away
3921
02:30:06,359 --> 02:30:11,159
trophies from his attacks including
3922
02:30:08,818 --> 02:30:13,379
photos of many of his victims as well as
3923
02:30:11,159 --> 02:30:15,959
earrings that linked him to Robin samso
3924
02:30:13,379 --> 02:30:18,239
and Charlotte lamb the Suburban Seattle
3925
02:30:15,959 --> 02:30:20,339
Locker also held hundreds of photos of
3926
02:30:18,239 --> 02:30:22,978
women and children both boys and girls
3927
02:30:20,340 --> 02:30:23,939
often at the beach or Park sometimes
3928
02:30:22,978 --> 02:30:26,159
nude
3929
02:30:23,939 --> 02:30:28,739
some of these photos had addresses
3930
02:30:26,159 --> 02:30:30,420
scrawled on the back police have tracked
3931
02:30:28,739 --> 02:30:32,340
down those families and were able to
3932
02:30:30,420 --> 02:30:34,859
confirm that their loved ones were still
3933
02:30:32,340 --> 02:30:36,359
alive authorities continue to hope
3934
02:30:34,859 --> 02:30:38,579
people who recognize the other
3935
02:30:36,359 --> 02:30:41,579
photographs will come forward
3936
02:30:38,579 --> 02:30:43,379
Seattle Police requested DNA samples so
3937
02:30:41,579 --> 02:30:45,000
they can determine whether Alcala was
3938
02:30:43,379 --> 02:30:47,478
behind the deaths of two teenagers
3939
02:30:45,000 --> 02:30:50,939
killed in Seattle in the 1970s
3940
02:30:47,478 --> 02:30:53,039
Antoinette Whittaker 13 was found dead
3941
02:30:50,939 --> 02:30:57,659
in a vacant lot in Northeast Seattle's
3942
02:30:53,040 --> 02:31:00,060
Lake City in July 1977. Joyce gaunt 17
3943
02:30:57,659 --> 02:31:03,719
was found dead in South Seattle's
3944
02:31:00,059 --> 02:31:05,939
seaward Park in February 1978. Whitaker
3945
02:31:03,719 --> 02:31:08,639
had not been assaulted but the
3946
02:31:05,939 --> 02:31:10,739
developmentally disabled gaunt had been
3947
02:31:08,639 --> 02:31:13,079
detectives have requested a DNA
3948
02:31:10,739 --> 02:31:15,359
comparison to see whether alcawa is a
3949
02:31:13,079 --> 02:31:17,760
match the King County Sheriff's Office
3950
02:31:15,359 --> 02:31:19,500
was also looking into whether Alcala may
3951
02:31:17,760 --> 02:31:21,478
have been responsible for deaths in the
3952
02:31:19,500 --> 02:31:23,459
surrounding area including that of
3953
02:31:21,478 --> 02:31:25,679
cherry Greenman who disappeared from
3954
02:31:23,459 --> 02:31:29,459
Waterville Washington at the age of 19
3955
02:31:25,680 --> 02:31:31,439
in 1976. just as the Los Angeles Police
3956
02:31:29,459 --> 02:31:33,478
Department originally attributed Jill
3957
02:31:31,439 --> 02:31:36,000
barcom's death to the Hillside Strangler
3958
02:31:33,478 --> 02:31:37,739
authorities at one time had looked for a
3959
02:31:36,000 --> 02:31:40,500
link between Greenman and the Green
3960
02:31:37,739 --> 02:31:42,420
River Killer New Hampshire investigators
3961
02:31:40,500 --> 02:31:44,280
are looking into whether Alcala may have
3962
02:31:42,420 --> 02:31:46,739
been responsible for any crimes when he
3963
02:31:44,280 --> 02:31:49,880
worked as John Berger as a camp
3964
02:31:46,739 --> 02:31:53,100
counselor in the area between 1969 and
3965
02:31:49,879 --> 02:31:54,719
1971. Rodney Alcala also remains a
3966
02:31:53,100 --> 02:31:57,659
person of interest in the deaths of
3967
02:31:54,719 --> 02:32:00,539
aerys Ellen hover and TWA stewardess
3968
02:31:57,659 --> 02:32:02,159
Cornelia Michael Crilley in New York in
3969
02:32:00,540 --> 02:32:04,920
the 1970s
3970
02:32:02,159 --> 02:32:06,840
in March 2010 the Huntington Beach
3971
02:32:04,920 --> 02:32:09,659
California and New York City police
3972
02:32:06,840 --> 02:32:11,700
departments released 120 of alcala's
3973
02:32:09,659 --> 02:32:13,500
photographs and sought The public's help
3974
02:32:11,700 --> 02:32:15,060
in identifying them in the hopes of
3975
02:32:13,500 --> 02:32:16,978
determining if any of the women and
3976
02:32:15,059 --> 02:32:18,059
children he photographed were additional
3977
02:32:16,978 --> 02:32:20,459
victims
3978
02:32:18,059 --> 02:32:22,920
approximately 900 additional photos
3979
02:32:20,459 --> 02:32:25,199
could not be made public police said
3980
02:32:22,920 --> 02:32:28,139
because they were too sexually explicit
3981
02:32:25,200 --> 02:32:30,300
in the first few weeks police reported
3982
02:32:28,139 --> 02:32:32,219
that approximately 21 women had come
3983
02:32:30,299 --> 02:32:34,559
forward to identify themselves
3984
02:32:32,219 --> 02:32:36,659
and at least six families said they
3985
02:32:34,559 --> 02:32:38,699
believed they recognized loved ones who
3986
02:32:36,659 --> 02:32:41,280
disappeared years ago and were never
3987
02:32:38,700 --> 02:32:43,079
found none of the photos was
3988
02:32:41,280 --> 02:32:45,180
unequivocally connected to a missing
3989
02:32:43,079 --> 02:32:48,420
person case or unsolved murder until
3990
02:32:45,180 --> 02:32:51,420
2013 when a family member recognized the
3991
02:32:48,420 --> 02:32:55,020
photo of Christine Thornton 28 whose
3992
02:32:51,420 --> 02:32:58,439
body was found in Wyoming in 1982 as of
3993
02:32:55,020 --> 02:33:01,020
July 2021 110 of the original photos
3994
02:32:58,439 --> 02:33:02,880
remained posted online and police
3995
02:33:01,020 --> 02:33:04,920
continued to solicit The public's help
3996
02:33:02,879 --> 02:33:08,398
with further identifications
3997
02:33:04,920 --> 02:33:10,500
in September 2016 Alcala was charged
3998
02:33:08,398 --> 02:33:13,619
with a murder of 28 year old Christine
3999
02:33:10,500 --> 02:33:17,398
Ruth Thornton who disappeared in 1977.
4000
02:33:13,620 --> 02:33:19,740
in 2013 a relative recognized her as the
4001
02:33:17,398 --> 02:33:23,159
subject of one of alcala's photos made
4002
02:33:19,739 --> 02:33:25,318
public by Huntington Beach PD and NYPD
4003
02:33:23,159 --> 02:33:28,739
her body was found in Sweetwater County
4004
02:33:25,318 --> 02:33:31,680
Wyoming in 1982 but was not identified
4005
02:33:28,739 --> 02:33:33,659
until 2015 when DNA supplied by
4006
02:33:31,680 --> 02:33:36,600
Thornton's relatives matched tissue
4007
02:33:33,659 --> 02:33:39,119
samples from her remains Alcala admitted
4008
02:33:36,600 --> 02:33:41,280
taking the photo but not to killing the
4009
02:33:39,120 --> 02:33:42,720
woman who was approximately six months
4010
02:33:41,280 --> 02:33:45,000
pregnant at the time of her death
4011
02:33:42,719 --> 02:33:47,459
Thornton is the first alleged murder
4012
02:33:45,000 --> 02:33:49,260
victim linked to the Alcala photos made
4013
02:33:47,459 --> 02:33:51,959
public in 2010
4014
02:33:49,260 --> 02:33:53,639
the 73 year old Alcala was reportedly
4015
02:33:51,959 --> 02:33:55,919
too ill to make the journey from
4016
02:33:53,639 --> 02:33:58,619
California to Wyoming to stand trial on
4017
02:33:55,920 --> 02:34:01,260
the new charges Alcala died of
4018
02:33:58,620 --> 02:34:06,180
unspecified natural causes in Corker in
4019
02:34:01,260 --> 02:34:09,180
California on July 24 2021 at the age of
4020
02:34:06,180 --> 02:34:09,180
77.
4021
02:34:09,898 --> 02:34:14,099
during the 1960s when there is no
4022
02:34:12,540 --> 02:34:16,800
shortage of drama in the nation's
4023
02:34:14,100 --> 02:34:20,040
courtrooms one murder case stood alone
4024
02:34:16,799 --> 02:34:22,139
in its ability to shock the country the
4025
02:34:20,040 --> 02:34:25,260
crime was not as gruesome as some others
4026
02:34:22,139 --> 02:34:28,079
since many more were just as violent and
4027
02:34:25,260 --> 02:34:30,719
still more that easily surpassed it the
4028
02:34:28,079 --> 02:34:32,760
victim was an ordinary working girl not
4029
02:34:30,719 --> 02:34:34,260
at all wealthy and not a member of any
4030
02:34:32,760 --> 02:34:37,318
Elite Class
4031
02:34:34,260 --> 02:34:39,059
her name was Catherine Genovese the 28
4032
02:34:37,318 --> 02:34:42,119
year old daughter of Italian-American
4033
02:34:39,059 --> 02:34:43,920
parents but to millions of people who
4034
02:34:42,120 --> 02:34:45,960
read her story when it first appeared in
4035
02:34:43,920 --> 02:34:49,020
New York City's press she would forever
4036
02:34:45,959 --> 02:34:51,119
be remembered as Kitty Genovese what
4037
02:34:49,020 --> 02:34:52,979
happened to her what happened to all of
4038
02:34:51,120 --> 02:34:56,220
society on that Dreadful night in the
4039
02:34:52,978 --> 02:34:58,199
spring of 1964 would reverberate across
4040
02:34:56,219 --> 02:35:00,659
the country and generate a national
4041
02:34:58,200 --> 02:35:03,899
soul-searching that's reserved for only
4042
02:35:00,659 --> 02:35:06,239
the most catastrophic of events her name
4043
02:35:03,898 --> 02:35:08,459
has become synonymous with a dark side
4044
02:35:06,239 --> 02:35:10,859
of an urban character that for many
4045
02:35:08,459 --> 02:35:13,739
people represents a harsh and disturbing
4046
02:35:10,859 --> 02:35:16,859
reality of big city life during the
4047
02:35:13,739 --> 02:35:18,959
1940s and into the 1950s the Genovese
4048
02:35:16,859 --> 02:35:22,040
family lived and worked in Brooklyn New
4049
02:35:18,959 --> 02:35:25,079
York in the 1940s Catherine's father
4050
02:35:22,040 --> 02:35:26,939
Vincent a Genovese started his own
4051
02:35:25,079 --> 02:35:29,159
business of supplying coats and aprons
4052
02:35:26,939 --> 02:35:31,620
to local businesses it was called The
4053
02:35:29,159 --> 02:35:34,260
Bay Ridge Cogen apron Supply Company
4054
02:35:31,620 --> 02:35:37,140
he became moderately successful and in
4055
02:35:34,260 --> 02:35:39,780
1954 Gina's wife Rachel decided to move
4056
02:35:37,139 --> 02:35:41,760
to New Canaan Connecticut the decision
4057
02:35:39,780 --> 02:35:43,500
came shortly after Rachel had witnessed
4058
02:35:41,760 --> 02:35:46,380
a shooting near their home
4059
02:35:43,500 --> 02:35:49,620
by that time they had five children the
4060
02:35:46,379 --> 02:35:51,539
oldest being Catherine who was 19. but
4061
02:35:49,620 --> 02:35:53,340
she chose to remain behind in New York
4062
02:35:51,540 --> 02:35:55,080
and stick it out while the rest of the
4063
02:35:53,340 --> 02:35:57,059
family moved to the suburbs
4064
02:35:55,079 --> 02:35:59,459
Catherine was an attractive outgoing
4065
02:35:57,059 --> 02:36:00,779
woman who liked Latin American music and
4066
02:35:59,459 --> 02:36:02,519
loved to dance
4067
02:36:00,780 --> 02:36:05,579
a graduate of Brooklyn's Prospect
4068
02:36:02,520 --> 02:36:07,680
Heights High School in 1954 she was also
4069
02:36:05,579 --> 02:36:10,200
interested in history and politics and
4070
02:36:07,680 --> 02:36:12,540
could debate on many issues I remember
4071
02:36:10,200 --> 02:36:13,979
that she loved to talk politics and knew
4072
02:36:12,540 --> 02:36:16,920
a great deal about what was going on
4073
02:36:13,978 --> 02:36:19,318
said her younger brother Bill Genovese
4074
02:36:16,920 --> 02:36:21,540
she was a Renaissance woman interested
4075
02:36:19,318 --> 02:36:25,260
in a lot of different subjects he said
4076
02:36:21,540 --> 02:36:27,479
by 1963 she had moved to Queens
4077
02:36:25,260 --> 02:36:29,280
she rented an apartment located on the
4078
02:36:27,478 --> 02:36:31,500
second floor of a commercial building on
4079
02:36:29,280 --> 02:36:34,079
Austin Street in the Kew Gardens section
4080
02:36:31,500 --> 02:36:35,040
of Queens a quiet mostly residential
4081
02:36:34,079 --> 02:36:36,799
area
4082
02:36:35,040 --> 02:36:40,140
she shared her space with a girlfriend
4083
02:36:36,799 --> 02:36:42,659
Marianne zielonko Catherine later got a
4084
02:36:40,139 --> 02:36:45,059
job as a bar manager in Eves 11th Hour
4085
02:36:42,659 --> 02:36:47,459
Club a small neighborhood Tavern on
4086
02:36:45,059 --> 02:36:49,920
Jamaica Avenue and 193rd Street in the
4087
02:36:47,459 --> 02:36:51,478
Hollis section of the borough the bar
4088
02:36:49,920 --> 02:36:53,818
was about five miles from her apartment
4089
02:36:51,478 --> 02:36:56,398
and she drove her red Fiat to the
4090
02:36:53,818 --> 02:36:58,379
restaurant nearly every night she worked
4091
02:36:56,398 --> 02:36:59,398
late sometimes into the early morning
4092
02:36:58,379 --> 02:37:01,318
hours
4093
02:36:59,398 --> 02:37:02,939
it made her nervous to return to her
4094
02:37:01,318 --> 02:37:05,279
apartment in the dark but it was
4095
02:37:02,939 --> 02:37:06,780
something that could not be avoided and
4096
02:37:05,280 --> 02:37:08,939
being a city girl her whole life
4097
02:37:06,780 --> 02:37:11,880
Catherine had the typical resiliency and
4098
02:37:08,939 --> 02:37:13,620
determination of a native New Yorker on
4099
02:37:11,879 --> 02:37:15,779
weekends she would come to visit the
4100
02:37:13,620 --> 02:37:16,740
family in New Canaan but it was never
4101
02:37:15,780 --> 02:37:18,420
enough
4102
02:37:16,739 --> 02:37:20,100
Catherine was always busy with her
4103
02:37:18,420 --> 02:37:22,620
career and running back and forth to
4104
02:37:20,100 --> 02:37:24,720
Connecticut and New York City she wanted
4105
02:37:22,620 --> 02:37:26,460
to visit Italy and dreamed of one day
4106
02:37:24,719 --> 02:37:29,159
opening an Italian restaurant with her
4107
02:37:26,459 --> 02:37:31,500
father in New Canaan her parents worried
4108
02:37:29,159 --> 02:37:33,539
about her living in Queens but accepted
4109
02:37:31,500 --> 02:37:36,180
it as a part of City Life and is what
4110
02:37:33,540 --> 02:37:37,380
she wanted but her heart was never far
4111
02:37:36,180 --> 02:37:39,479
from her family
4112
02:37:37,379 --> 02:37:40,799
I believe she found an inner peace when
4113
02:37:39,478 --> 02:37:42,779
she spent weekends with us in
4114
02:37:40,799 --> 02:37:45,299
Connecticut said Vince
4115
02:37:42,780 --> 02:37:47,939
she was full of life the city was one
4116
02:37:45,299 --> 02:37:50,519
part of her new Canan was another
4117
02:37:47,939 --> 02:37:52,260
along a Serene tree-lined Street in the
4118
02:37:50,520 --> 02:37:54,899
Kew Gardens section of Queens New York
4119
02:37:52,260 --> 02:37:56,520
City Catherine Genovese began the last
4120
02:37:54,898 --> 02:37:59,939
walk of her life in the early morning
4121
02:37:56,520 --> 02:38:02,520
hours of March 13 1964.
4122
02:37:59,939 --> 02:38:04,859
she had just left work and it was 3 15
4123
02:38:02,520 --> 02:38:07,079
am when she parked her red Fiat in the
4124
02:38:04,859 --> 02:38:09,840
Long Island Railroad parking lot 20 feet
4125
02:38:07,079 --> 02:38:12,840
from her apartment door at 8270 Austin
4126
02:38:09,840 --> 02:38:14,520
Street as she locked her car door she
4127
02:38:12,840 --> 02:38:16,739
took notice of a figure in the darkness
4128
02:38:14,520 --> 02:38:19,020
walking quickly toward her
4129
02:38:16,739 --> 02:38:21,600
she became immediately concerned as soon
4130
02:38:19,020 --> 02:38:24,000
as the stranger began to follow her as
4131
02:38:21,600 --> 02:38:26,579
she got out of the car she saw me and
4132
02:38:24,000 --> 02:38:29,100
ran the man told the court later
4133
02:38:26,579 --> 02:38:31,318
I ran after her and I had a knife in my
4134
02:38:29,100 --> 02:38:32,939
hand she must have thought that since
4135
02:38:31,318 --> 02:38:35,279
the entrance to her building was so
4136
02:38:32,939 --> 02:38:38,579
close she had reached safety within
4137
02:38:35,280 --> 02:38:40,739
seconds but the man was faster than she
4138
02:38:38,579 --> 02:38:42,840
thought at the corner of Austin Street
4139
02:38:40,739 --> 02:38:45,180
and Lefferts Boulevard there's a police
4140
02:38:42,840 --> 02:38:46,859
call box which linked directly to the
4141
02:38:45,180 --> 02:38:48,659
112th Precinct
4142
02:38:46,859 --> 02:38:51,720
she may have changed direction to call
4143
02:38:48,659 --> 02:38:53,639
for assistance but it was too late the
4144
02:38:51,719 --> 02:38:55,858
man caught up with Catherine who was all
4145
02:38:53,639 --> 02:38:58,619
of five foot one inches and weighed just
4146
02:38:55,859 --> 02:39:01,079
105 pounds near a street light at the
4147
02:38:58,620 --> 02:39:03,000
end of the parking lot I could run much
4148
02:39:01,079 --> 02:39:04,859
faster than she could and I jumped on
4149
02:39:03,000 --> 02:39:08,760
her back and stabbed her several times
4150
02:39:04,859 --> 02:39:11,818
the man later told cops oh my God he
4151
02:39:08,760 --> 02:39:13,500
stabbed me she screamed please help me
4152
02:39:11,818 --> 02:39:15,719
please help me
4153
02:39:13,500 --> 02:39:16,680
some apartment lights went on in nearby
4154
02:39:15,719 --> 02:39:20,039
buildings
4155
02:39:16,680 --> 02:39:22,559
Irene Frost at 8268 Austin Street heard
4156
02:39:20,040 --> 02:39:24,720
Catherine screams plainly there was
4157
02:39:22,559 --> 02:39:27,239
another shriek she later testified in
4158
02:39:24,719 --> 02:39:29,398
court and she was lying down crying out
4159
02:39:27,239 --> 02:39:31,559
up on the seventh floor of the same
4160
02:39:29,398 --> 02:39:34,199
building Robert Moser slid open his
4161
02:39:31,559 --> 02:39:37,019
window and observed the struggle below
4162
02:39:34,200 --> 02:39:39,600
hey let that girl alone he yelled down
4163
02:39:37,020 --> 02:39:41,640
into the street the attacker heard Moser
4164
02:39:39,600 --> 02:39:44,460
and immediately walked away
4165
02:39:41,639 --> 02:39:46,559
there was quiet once again in the dark
4166
02:39:44,459 --> 02:39:49,318
the only sound was the sobbing of the
4167
02:39:46,559 --> 02:39:51,539
victim struggling to her feet the lights
4168
02:39:49,318 --> 02:39:54,119
in the apartment went out again
4169
02:39:51,540 --> 02:39:56,340
Catherine bleeding badly from several
4170
02:39:54,120 --> 02:39:58,500
stab wounds managed to reach the side of
4171
02:39:56,340 --> 02:39:59,280
her building and held onto the concrete
4172
02:39:58,500 --> 02:40:01,680
wall
4173
02:39:59,280 --> 02:40:04,020
she staggered over to a locked door and
4174
02:40:01,680 --> 02:40:06,659
tried to stay conscious within five
4175
02:40:04,020 --> 02:40:08,460
minutes the assailant returned
4176
02:40:06,659 --> 02:40:12,059
he stabbed her again
4177
02:40:08,459 --> 02:40:14,579
I'm dying I'm dying she cried to no one
4178
02:40:12,059 --> 02:40:17,159
but several people in her building heard
4179
02:40:14,579 --> 02:40:20,280
her screams lights went on once again
4180
02:40:17,159 --> 02:40:21,959
and some windows opened tenants tried to
4181
02:40:20,280 --> 02:40:23,220
see what was happening from the safety
4182
02:40:21,959 --> 02:40:25,438
of their Apartments
4183
02:40:23,219 --> 02:40:27,299
the attacker then ran to a white Chevy
4184
02:40:25,439 --> 02:40:30,420
Corsair at the edge of the railroad
4185
02:40:27,299 --> 02:40:32,959
parking lot and seemed to drive away on
4186
02:40:30,420 --> 02:40:35,639
the sixth floor of 8240 Austin Street
4187
02:40:32,959 --> 02:40:37,199
marchering Samuel koschkin witnessed the
4188
02:40:35,639 --> 02:40:39,539
attack from their window
4189
02:40:37,200 --> 02:40:42,540
I saw a man hurry to a car under my
4190
02:40:39,540 --> 02:40:44,399
window he later said he left and came
4191
02:40:42,540 --> 02:40:45,720
back five minutes later and was looking
4192
02:40:44,398 --> 02:40:48,539
around the area
4193
02:40:45,719 --> 02:40:50,818
Mr koshkin wanted to call the police but
4194
02:40:48,540 --> 02:40:53,100
Mrs koshkin thought otherwise
4195
02:40:50,818 --> 02:40:55,439
I didn't let him she later told the
4196
02:40:53,100 --> 02:40:56,818
Press I told him there must have been 30
4197
02:40:55,439 --> 02:40:59,398
calls already
4198
02:40:56,818 --> 02:41:01,379
Miss Andre Peak a French girl who lived
4199
02:40:59,398 --> 02:41:02,519
on the second floor heard the commotion
4200
02:41:01,379 --> 02:41:04,679
from her window
4201
02:41:02,520 --> 02:41:07,800
I heard a scream for help three times
4202
02:41:04,680 --> 02:41:09,540
she later told the court I saw a girl
4203
02:41:07,799 --> 02:41:12,599
lying down on the pavement with a man
4204
02:41:09,540 --> 02:41:16,020
bending down over her beating her at
4205
02:41:12,600 --> 02:41:18,000
about 3 25 am Catherine bleeding badly
4206
02:41:16,020 --> 02:41:19,859
stumbled to the rear of her apartment
4207
02:41:18,000 --> 02:41:21,180
building and attempted to enter through
4208
02:41:19,859 --> 02:41:24,420
a back entrance
4209
02:41:21,180 --> 02:41:26,220
the door was locked she slid along the
4210
02:41:24,420 --> 02:41:28,739
wall until she reached a hallway leading
4211
02:41:26,219 --> 02:41:30,959
to the second floor of 8262 Austin
4212
02:41:28,739 --> 02:41:31,859
Street but she fell to the vestibule
4213
02:41:30,959 --> 02:41:34,438
floor
4214
02:41:31,859 --> 02:41:35,640
in the meantime the man had returned
4215
02:41:34,439 --> 02:41:37,680
again
4216
02:41:35,639 --> 02:41:39,898
I came back because I knew I'd not
4217
02:41:37,680 --> 02:41:41,100
finished what I set out to do he told
4218
02:41:39,898 --> 02:41:43,318
cops later
4219
02:41:41,100 --> 02:41:45,120
he walked along the row of doors and
4220
02:41:43,318 --> 02:41:46,799
calmly searched for the woman
4221
02:41:45,120 --> 02:41:48,960
he checked the first door and didn't
4222
02:41:46,799 --> 02:41:50,639
find her he followed the trail of blood
4223
02:41:48,959 --> 02:41:52,739
to the doorway where Catherine lay
4224
02:41:50,639 --> 02:41:55,260
bleeding on the tiled floor
4225
02:41:52,739 --> 02:41:57,840
and there while the defenseless victim
4226
02:41:55,260 --> 02:42:00,239
lay semi-conscious incoherent from Pain
4227
02:41:57,840 --> 02:42:02,818
and loss of blood he cut off her bra and
4228
02:42:00,239 --> 02:42:06,180
underwear and assaulted her he then took
4229
02:42:02,818 --> 02:42:08,039
49 in cash from her wallet why would I
4230
02:42:06,180 --> 02:42:10,800
throw the money away he asked the court
4231
02:42:08,040 --> 02:42:13,380
in his trial as Catherine moaned At His
4232
02:42:10,799 --> 02:42:15,299
Feet probably unable to comprehend what
4233
02:42:13,379 --> 02:42:18,299
had happened to her the man viciously
4234
02:42:15,299 --> 02:42:20,398
stabbed her again and killed her the man
4235
02:42:18,299 --> 02:42:22,739
who had selected his victim purely at
4236
02:42:20,398 --> 02:42:25,559
random ran to his car still parked where
4237
02:42:22,739 --> 02:42:27,299
he left it the entire event had lasted
4238
02:42:25,559 --> 02:42:29,760
32 minutes
4239
02:42:27,299 --> 02:42:32,219
he said later that murder was an idea
4240
02:42:29,760 --> 02:42:34,200
that came into my mind just as an idea
4241
02:42:32,219 --> 02:42:36,898
might come into your mind but I couldn't
4242
02:42:34,200 --> 02:42:39,060
put mine aside he jumped into his white
4243
02:42:36,898 --> 02:42:42,180
sedan and fled the scene
4244
02:42:39,059 --> 02:42:44,219
a few blocks away he came to a red light
4245
02:42:42,180 --> 02:42:46,260
he glanced over at the car idling next
4246
02:42:44,219 --> 02:42:47,760
to him and saw that a man was asleep
4247
02:42:46,260 --> 02:42:49,559
behind the wheel
4248
02:42:47,760 --> 02:42:51,359
the killer got out of his car and
4249
02:42:49,559 --> 02:42:53,699
awakened the sleeping driver
4250
02:42:51,359 --> 02:42:56,818
he told the man he should go home
4251
02:42:53,700 --> 02:42:59,579
then the killer full of himself 49
4252
02:42:56,818 --> 02:43:02,159
richer and not at all ashamed of what he
4253
02:42:59,579 --> 02:43:05,219
had done got back into his own car and
4254
02:43:02,159 --> 02:43:06,840
drove off into the night Catherine was
4255
02:43:05,219 --> 02:43:10,318
his third murder
4256
02:43:06,840 --> 02:43:11,639
at about 3 50 am a neighbor Carl Ross
4257
02:43:10,318 --> 02:43:13,199
who lived on the second floor of
4258
02:43:11,639 --> 02:43:15,358
Catherine's building on Austin Street
4259
02:43:13,200 --> 02:43:17,700
finally called the police
4260
02:43:15,359 --> 02:43:19,739
but before he did he called a friend in
4261
02:43:17,700 --> 02:43:22,079
nearby Nassau County and asked his
4262
02:43:19,739 --> 02:43:24,299
opinion about what he should do after
4263
02:43:22,079 --> 02:43:26,398
the police were notified a squad car
4264
02:43:24,299 --> 02:43:28,438
arrived within three minutes and quickly
4265
02:43:26,398 --> 02:43:31,439
found Catherine's body in the hallway on
4266
02:43:28,439 --> 02:43:32,760
the first floor she had been stabbed 17
4267
02:43:31,439 --> 02:43:34,920
times
4268
02:43:32,760 --> 02:43:37,020
her torn and cut clothes were scattered
4269
02:43:34,920 --> 02:43:38,280
about her and her open Wallet lay on the
4270
02:43:37,020 --> 02:43:40,380
floor next to her
4271
02:43:38,280 --> 02:43:43,079
driver's license identified her as
4272
02:43:40,379 --> 02:43:45,839
Catherine Genovese detectives from the
4273
02:43:43,079 --> 02:43:48,420
112th responded and began an exhaustive
4274
02:43:45,840 --> 02:43:50,880
investigation it was a frigid winter
4275
02:43:48,420 --> 02:43:54,420
morning and a Brisk unrelenting wind
4276
02:43:50,879 --> 02:43:56,039
made it seem even colder a canvas of the
4277
02:43:54,420 --> 02:43:58,079
neighborhood turned up several witnesses
4278
02:43:56,040 --> 02:43:58,859
including the one who had notified the
4279
02:43:58,079 --> 02:44:00,898
police
4280
02:43:58,859 --> 02:44:03,180
when cops finished pulling the immediate
4281
02:44:00,898 --> 02:44:05,459
neighborhood they discovered at least 38
4282
02:44:03,180 --> 02:44:08,220
people had heard or observed some part
4283
02:44:05,459 --> 02:44:10,079
of the Fatal assault on Kitty Genovese
4284
02:44:08,219 --> 02:44:12,059
Kew Gardens is a residential area
4285
02:44:10,079 --> 02:44:14,159
located at the center of the borough of
4286
02:44:12,059 --> 02:44:15,840
Queens one of the most populated
4287
02:44:14,159 --> 02:44:17,879
communities in America
4288
02:44:15,840 --> 02:44:20,040
if queens were a city it would be
4289
02:44:17,879 --> 02:44:22,259
America's fifth largest
4290
02:44:20,040 --> 02:44:24,660
the area of Kew Gardens is generally
4291
02:44:22,260 --> 02:44:26,700
middle class where houses in 1964
4292
02:44:24,659 --> 02:44:27,840
typically sold for thirty to fifty
4293
02:44:26,700 --> 02:44:29,819
thousand dollars
4294
02:44:27,840 --> 02:44:32,000
it resembled a small village in the
4295
02:44:29,818 --> 02:44:35,279
suburbs rather than a city neighborhood
4296
02:44:32,000 --> 02:44:37,260
mostly white working class and typically
4297
02:44:35,280 --> 02:44:39,239
one of the hundreds of small communities
4298
02:44:37,260 --> 02:44:41,700
that made up Metropolitan New York City
4299
02:44:39,239 --> 02:44:44,459
Austin Street is the focal point of the
4300
02:44:41,700 --> 02:44:47,579
neighborhood on this neat picturesque
4301
02:44:44,459 --> 02:44:49,559
Avenue their shops a small Park and a
4302
02:44:47,579 --> 02:44:51,180
busy train station where commuters catch
4303
02:44:49,559 --> 02:44:54,539
the Long Island Railroad to Grand
4304
02:44:51,180 --> 02:44:55,979
Central 15 minutes away not the kind of
4305
02:44:54,540 --> 02:44:57,600
place where one would think a person
4306
02:44:55,978 --> 02:45:00,299
could be murdered without anyone
4307
02:44:57,600 --> 02:45:02,700
offering even a smidgen of assistance
4308
02:45:00,299 --> 02:45:05,938
we thought it was a lover's quarrel said
4309
02:45:02,700 --> 02:45:07,200
one tenant frankly we were afraid said
4310
02:45:05,939 --> 02:45:09,239
another Witness
4311
02:45:07,200 --> 02:45:11,640
one woman who didn't want her name used
4312
02:45:09,239 --> 02:45:12,659
said I didn't want my husband to get
4313
02:45:11,639 --> 02:45:14,760
involved
4314
02:45:12,659 --> 02:45:15,840
others had different explanations for
4315
02:45:14,760 --> 02:45:17,639
their conduct
4316
02:45:15,840 --> 02:45:19,260
we went to the window to see what was
4317
02:45:17,639 --> 02:45:21,019
happening but the light from our bedroom
4318
02:45:19,260 --> 02:45:23,639
made it difficult to see the street
4319
02:45:21,020 --> 02:45:26,159
there were lots of excuses
4320
02:45:23,639 --> 02:45:29,459
maybe the most apathetic was the one who
4321
02:45:26,159 --> 02:45:30,959
told reporters I was tired but the mere
4322
02:45:29,459 --> 02:45:33,119
fact remained that dozens of people
4323
02:45:30,959 --> 02:45:34,739
stood by and watched a human being being
4324
02:45:33,120 --> 02:45:37,740
brutally assaulted for an extended
4325
02:45:34,739 --> 02:45:39,600
period of time and did nothing
4326
02:45:37,739 --> 02:45:41,760
if we had been called when he was first
4327
02:45:39,600 --> 02:45:43,920
attacked the woman might not be dead now
4328
02:45:41,760 --> 02:45:45,239
an assistant Chief Inspector told the
4329
02:45:43,920 --> 02:45:47,460
Press at the time
4330
02:45:45,239 --> 02:45:50,280
New York City Deputy Police Commissioner
4331
02:45:47,459 --> 02:45:52,139
Walter arms said this tendency to shy
4332
02:45:50,280 --> 02:45:55,560
away from reporting crimes is a common
4333
02:45:52,139 --> 02:45:58,199
one that was a revelation to the public
4334
02:45:55,559 --> 02:45:59,879
some detectives were stunned others
4335
02:45:58,200 --> 02:46:02,640
simply saw the unwillingness to get
4336
02:45:59,879 --> 02:46:05,699
involved as representative of the times
4337
02:46:02,639 --> 02:46:08,519
apathy especially in urban settings was
4338
02:46:05,700 --> 02:46:10,920
everywhere not only in Kew Gardens
4339
02:46:08,520 --> 02:46:14,340
in her own defense one neighbor said she
4340
02:46:10,920 --> 02:46:17,280
was too afraid to call I tried I really
4341
02:46:14,340 --> 02:46:18,960
tried she said but I was gasping for air
4342
02:46:17,280 --> 02:46:19,859
and was unable to talk into the
4343
02:46:18,959 --> 02:46:22,259
telephone
4344
02:46:19,859 --> 02:46:25,079
as killings go the murder of Catherine
4345
02:46:22,260 --> 02:46:27,000
Genovese was not a spectacular one nor
4346
02:46:25,079 --> 02:46:29,520
did it generate much publicity when it
4347
02:46:27,000 --> 02:46:31,739
happened the original NYPD complaint
4348
02:46:29,520 --> 02:46:34,920
report reduced the episode to just five
4349
02:46:31,739 --> 02:46:36,600
type written lines Carl Ross heard calls
4350
02:46:34,920 --> 02:46:38,879
of help at his residence
4351
02:46:36,600 --> 02:46:41,220
he saw a woman later identified as Kitty
4352
02:46:38,879 --> 02:46:43,679
Genovese lying face down in the ground
4353
02:46:41,219 --> 02:46:45,179
floor hallway she was taken to Queen's
4354
02:46:43,680 --> 02:46:47,159
general hospital with multiple stab
4355
02:46:45,180 --> 02:46:49,859
wounds and pronounced Dead on Arrival
4356
02:46:47,159 --> 02:46:51,659
then taken to the morgue there were
4357
02:46:49,859 --> 02:46:55,800
hundreds of killings in New York City in
4358
02:46:51,659 --> 02:46:58,619
1964 and 9 360 murders in America that
4359
02:46:55,799 --> 02:46:59,938
year a random killing in the street was
4360
02:46:58,620 --> 02:47:02,100
not big news
4361
02:46:59,939 --> 02:47:04,739
the New York Times delegated a few short
4362
02:47:02,100 --> 02:47:06,780
paragraphs to the incident on page 12.
4363
02:47:04,739 --> 02:47:09,239
for two weeks it laid dormant and
4364
02:47:06,780 --> 02:47:11,760
gathered virtually no public attention
4365
02:47:09,239 --> 02:47:14,579
it wasn't until March 27th when the
4366
02:47:11,760 --> 02:47:17,040
times published its famous 37 who saw
4367
02:47:14,579 --> 02:47:19,799
murder didn't call article by Martin
4368
02:47:17,040 --> 02:47:20,939
gansberg that the killing became big
4369
02:47:19,799 --> 02:47:23,159
news
4370
02:47:20,939 --> 02:47:25,680
the New York City media picked up on the
4371
02:47:23,159 --> 02:47:28,260
wider themes of the event camera Crews
4372
02:47:25,680 --> 02:47:30,059
and newscasters descended on Kew Gardens
4373
02:47:28,260 --> 02:47:32,700
the Press searched the neighborhood for
4374
02:47:30,059 --> 02:47:35,279
any scrap of uncovered information no
4375
02:47:32,700 --> 02:47:37,800
matter how small or insignificant Kitty
4376
02:47:35,280 --> 02:47:40,500
genovese's story began to take shape
4377
02:47:37,799 --> 02:47:42,239
during the week after the murder the 30
4378
02:47:40,500 --> 02:47:44,040
detectives who were assigned to the case
4379
02:47:42,239 --> 02:47:45,780
sifted through the neighborhood of Kew
4380
02:47:44,040 --> 02:47:47,939
Gardens and Forest Hills
4381
02:47:45,780 --> 02:47:49,640
they located a Milkman who was able to
4382
02:47:47,939 --> 02:47:51,960
furnish a description of a suspect
4383
02:47:49,639 --> 02:47:53,579
others also had observed Catherine's
4384
02:47:51,959 --> 02:47:56,219
killer in the area prior to the murder
4385
02:47:53,579 --> 02:47:58,620
and were able to add to the description
4386
02:47:56,219 --> 02:48:00,299
but it wasn't until six days later when
4387
02:47:58,620 --> 02:48:02,399
a suspect was arrested stealing a
4388
02:48:00,299 --> 02:48:06,599
television during a house burglary the
4389
02:48:02,398 --> 02:48:09,599
cops had their man Winston Mosley 29.
4390
02:48:06,600 --> 02:48:11,880
Mosley had no criminal record he was
4391
02:48:09,600 --> 02:48:13,020
married owned a home in Queens and had
4392
02:48:11,879 --> 02:48:15,539
two kids
4393
02:48:13,020 --> 02:48:17,340
sleight of build barely five foot eight
4394
02:48:15,540 --> 02:48:19,500
with thin features and a brooding
4395
02:48:17,340 --> 02:48:21,780
appearance Mosley was a machine operator
4396
02:48:19,500 --> 02:48:23,219
who worked in Mount Vernon in nearby
4397
02:48:21,780 --> 02:48:26,640
Westchester County
4398
02:48:23,219 --> 02:48:29,699
his arrest report dated March 19 1964
4399
02:48:26,639 --> 02:48:32,219
lists his occupation as Remington ran
4400
02:48:29,700 --> 02:48:33,479
tab operator he did not seem to be the
4401
02:48:32,219 --> 02:48:36,059
type of person who committed Street
4402
02:48:33,478 --> 02:48:38,039
muggings or murder but mostly quickly
4403
02:48:36,059 --> 02:48:39,180
confessed to the Genovese killing and
4404
02:48:38,040 --> 02:48:41,340
two others
4405
02:48:39,180 --> 02:48:44,280
he told cops that he had killed Barbara
4406
02:48:41,340 --> 02:48:46,920
kraleck 15. on July 20th in Springfield
4407
02:48:44,280 --> 02:48:50,220
Gardens queens and shot Annie Mae
4408
02:48:46,920 --> 02:48:53,460
Johnson 24 of South Ozone Park Queens on
4409
02:48:50,219 --> 02:48:57,000
February 29th both were Savage killings
4410
02:48:53,459 --> 02:49:00,000
trouble was another man named Alvin the
4411
02:48:57,000 --> 02:49:02,159
monster Mitchell 18 a local gang member
4412
02:49:00,000 --> 02:49:04,739
was already in custody for The kralik
4413
02:49:02,159 --> 02:49:07,318
Killing he had allegedly also confessed
4414
02:49:04,739 --> 02:49:10,619
to the teenager's murder but Mosley was
4415
02:49:07,318 --> 02:49:12,318
insistent he had killed them all he said
4416
02:49:10,620 --> 02:49:14,700
in the murder of Annie Mae Johnson
4417
02:49:12,318 --> 02:49:16,139
mostly insisted that he shot the victim
4418
02:49:14,700 --> 02:49:18,720
several times
4419
02:49:16,139 --> 02:49:20,639
I shot her in the stomach I reloaded and
4420
02:49:18,719 --> 02:49:21,719
shot her again in the stomach he told
4421
02:49:20,639 --> 02:49:23,760
cops
4422
02:49:21,719 --> 02:49:25,318
but the autopsy on Johnson had listed
4423
02:49:23,760 --> 02:49:27,059
the cause of death as puncture wounds
4424
02:49:25,318 --> 02:49:28,680
from a sharp object such as a
4425
02:49:27,059 --> 02:49:31,019
screwdriver or a file
4426
02:49:28,680 --> 02:49:33,120
based on Mosley's confession the body
4427
02:49:31,020 --> 02:49:34,859
was exhumed from a cemetery in Monk's
4428
02:49:33,120 --> 02:49:37,439
Corner South Carolina and a second
4429
02:49:34,859 --> 02:49:39,000
autopsy was performed using X-ray
4430
02:49:37,439 --> 02:49:41,220
equipment borrowed from a South Carolina
4431
02:49:39,000 --> 02:49:43,020
Medical College in Charleston the
4432
02:49:41,219 --> 02:49:45,599
coroner found Six Bullets inside
4433
02:49:43,020 --> 02:49:47,819
Johnson's body four of these bullets
4434
02:49:45,600 --> 02:49:49,500
were recovered the finding of these
4435
02:49:47,818 --> 02:49:51,180
bullets adds a lot of credence to
4436
02:49:49,500 --> 02:49:53,340
Winston Mosley's other statements
4437
02:49:51,180 --> 02:49:54,600
Queen's district attorney Frank O'Connor
4438
02:49:53,340 --> 02:49:55,978
told the Press
4439
02:49:54,600 --> 02:49:57,899
in the murder of fifteen-year-old
4440
02:49:55,978 --> 02:50:00,299
Barbara crawlik there was no blood
4441
02:49:57,898 --> 02:50:02,099
evidence available no test yet existed
4442
02:50:00,299 --> 02:50:05,099
that could compare bodily fluids for
4443
02:50:02,100 --> 02:50:07,380
conclusive DNA identification Mosley
4444
02:50:05,100 --> 02:50:09,540
however was able to supply details that
4445
02:50:07,379 --> 02:50:11,639
conform to the existing evidence
4446
02:50:09,540 --> 02:50:12,600
cops were satisfied they had the right
4447
02:50:11,639 --> 02:50:14,299
man
4448
02:50:12,600 --> 02:50:17,818
even his own crown-appointed attorney
4449
02:50:14,299 --> 02:50:19,978
Sydney G Sparrow believed Mosley
4450
02:50:17,818 --> 02:50:21,959
I'm convinced Mosley did all three of
4451
02:50:19,978 --> 02:50:23,519
these killings he told reporters after
4452
02:50:21,959 --> 02:50:26,279
he met with his client for three hours
4453
02:50:23,520 --> 02:50:27,899
in the Kings County psych ward there are
4454
02:50:26,280 --> 02:50:30,780
too many things he knew that only the
4455
02:50:27,898 --> 02:50:33,539
killer could know he added but there was
4456
02:50:30,780 --> 02:50:35,579
more Mosley confessed to other attacks
4457
02:50:33,540 --> 02:50:36,960
during nighttime Expeditions in which he
4458
02:50:35,579 --> 02:50:38,520
would roam the street searching for
4459
02:50:36,959 --> 02:50:40,019
victims at random
4460
02:50:38,520 --> 02:50:42,780
he said he had raped many women
4461
02:50:40,020 --> 02:50:45,120
frequently robbing them in the process
4462
02:50:42,780 --> 02:50:46,859
Mosley admitted to dozens of burglaries
4463
02:50:45,120 --> 02:50:48,359
including the one for which he was
4464
02:50:46,859 --> 02:50:50,340
arrested when he was caught stealing a
4465
02:50:48,359 --> 02:50:52,439
television but it was the assaults that
4466
02:50:50,340 --> 02:50:54,120
had detectives interested particularly
4467
02:50:52,439 --> 02:50:57,120
the failed attempts of rape which
4468
02:50:54,120 --> 02:51:00,180
several women reported Mosley it seemed
4469
02:50:57,120 --> 02:51:02,280
preferred sex with the dead Dr Oscar
4470
02:51:00,180 --> 02:51:04,380
Diamond a psychiatrist for Manhattan
4471
02:51:02,280 --> 02:51:07,140
State Hospital performed a pre-trial
4472
02:51:04,379 --> 02:51:09,358
psychiatric examination of Mosley he
4473
02:51:07,139 --> 02:51:11,879
told me he got no thrill with live women
4474
02:51:09,359 --> 02:51:14,340
he reaped he told the court later
4475
02:51:11,879 --> 02:51:16,858
by mid-april the Kitty Genovese story
4476
02:51:14,340 --> 02:51:18,659
had taken hold and the nation began a
4477
02:51:16,859 --> 02:51:21,420
lengthy period of analysis and
4478
02:51:18,659 --> 02:51:23,039
self-deprecation why would civilized
4479
02:51:21,420 --> 02:51:25,559
people turn away from another human
4480
02:51:23,040 --> 02:51:27,840
being in dire need of assistance
4481
02:51:25,559 --> 02:51:29,760
as the details of the killing emerged it
4482
02:51:27,840 --> 02:51:31,500
became plain that if any of the 38
4483
02:51:29,760 --> 02:51:33,659
Witnesses had simply called the police
4484
02:51:31,500 --> 02:51:36,120
at the first sign of trouble the victim
4485
02:51:33,659 --> 02:51:38,219
could have survived the initial stab
4486
02:51:36,120 --> 02:51:40,260
wounds inflicted may not have been fatal
4487
02:51:38,219 --> 02:51:42,239
timely medical treatment could have
4488
02:51:40,260 --> 02:51:44,579
saved the life of Catherine Genovese
4489
02:51:42,239 --> 02:51:47,760
were the witnesses really that
4490
02:51:44,579 --> 02:51:49,620
cold-hearted people wondered some
4491
02:51:47,760 --> 02:51:51,960
psychologists blamed television for the
4492
02:51:49,620 --> 02:51:54,060
sad State of Affairs in Kew Gardens
4493
02:51:51,959 --> 02:51:56,239
in a symposium held in Manhattan's
4494
02:51:54,059 --> 02:51:59,879
Barbizon Plaza Hotel in early April
4495
02:51:56,239 --> 02:52:02,398
1964. psychiatrist Ralph s Bernard said
4496
02:51:59,879 --> 02:52:04,619
television was at least partly to blame
4497
02:52:02,398 --> 02:52:07,079
we underestimate the damage that these
4498
02:52:04,620 --> 02:52:09,180
accumulated images do to the brain he
4499
02:52:07,079 --> 02:52:11,279
said the immediate effect can be
4500
02:52:09,180 --> 02:52:13,979
delusional equivalent to a sort of
4501
02:52:11,279 --> 02:52:16,439
post-hypnotic suggestion the witnesses
4502
02:52:13,978 --> 02:52:18,059
became confused and Paralyzed by the
4503
02:52:16,439 --> 02:52:20,939
violence they witnessed outside their
4504
02:52:18,059 --> 02:52:23,939
window he explained they were fascinated
4505
02:52:20,939 --> 02:52:25,800
by the drama by the action and yet not
4506
02:52:23,939 --> 02:52:29,159
entirely sure that what was taking place
4507
02:52:25,799 --> 02:52:31,079
was actually happening he said that
4508
02:52:29,159 --> 02:52:33,119
explanation fit in neatly with what some
4509
02:52:31,079 --> 02:52:34,859
of the witnesses had told police
4510
02:52:33,120 --> 02:52:36,720
they claimed that when they saw the
4511
02:52:34,859 --> 02:52:38,340
disturbance on Austin Street they
4512
02:52:36,719 --> 02:52:40,619
imagined it was an argument between a
4513
02:52:38,340 --> 02:52:42,420
man and wife or boyfriend and girlfriend
4514
02:52:40,620 --> 02:52:45,120
none really thought that they were
4515
02:52:42,420 --> 02:52:47,159
witnessing a real killing we thought it
4516
02:52:45,120 --> 02:52:49,620
was a lover's quarrel one witness later
4517
02:52:47,159 --> 02:52:51,539
said another neighbor repeated that
4518
02:52:49,620 --> 02:52:54,000
assertion when he said I thought there
4519
02:52:51,540 --> 02:52:55,740
were some kids having some fun others
4520
02:52:54,000 --> 02:52:57,059
complained of the media attention and
4521
02:52:55,739 --> 02:52:59,639
said the Press made the neighborhood
4522
02:52:57,059 --> 02:53:01,859
look bad these things happen every day
4523
02:52:59,639 --> 02:53:04,019
all over the world one neighbor told the
4524
02:53:01,859 --> 02:53:05,279
reporter the stories were only giving us
4525
02:53:04,020 --> 02:53:07,920
a black eye
4526
02:53:05,279 --> 02:53:09,659
Dr Carl meninger a world-renowned
4527
02:53:07,920 --> 02:53:12,239
psychiatrist and founder of the manager
4528
02:53:09,659 --> 02:53:15,059
clinic in Topeka Kansas also spoke at
4529
02:53:12,239 --> 02:53:16,978
the symposium public apathy to crime is
4530
02:53:15,059 --> 02:53:19,739
itself a manifestation of aggressiveness
4531
02:53:16,978 --> 02:53:22,199
he told the audience people turn away
4532
02:53:19,739 --> 02:53:24,840
for a variety of reasons including their
4533
02:53:22,200 --> 02:53:26,640
desire not to get involved but were
4534
02:53:24,840 --> 02:53:29,340
people in big cities more apathetic
4535
02:53:26,639 --> 02:53:31,079
colder and indifferent than others in
4536
02:53:29,340 --> 02:53:33,898
more rural environments
4537
02:53:31,079 --> 02:53:35,398
or was the Kitty Genovese syndrome as
4538
02:53:33,898 --> 02:53:38,699
some psychologists characterized it
4539
02:53:35,398 --> 02:53:40,799
indicative of society as a whole one
4540
02:53:38,700 --> 02:53:41,579
Dynamic brought forth was the bystander
4541
02:53:40,799 --> 02:53:43,619
effect
4542
02:53:41,579 --> 02:53:45,659
this theory speculates that as the
4543
02:53:43,620 --> 02:53:47,760
number of bystanders increases the
4544
02:53:45,659 --> 02:53:49,500
likelihood of any one bystander helping
4545
02:53:47,760 --> 02:53:51,779
another decreases
4546
02:53:49,500 --> 02:53:54,239
as a result additional time will pass
4547
02:53:51,779 --> 02:53:57,000
before anyone seeks outside help for a
4548
02:53:54,239 --> 02:53:58,318
person in distress another hypothesis is
4549
02:53:57,000 --> 02:53:59,579
something called the diffusion of
4550
02:53:58,318 --> 02:54:01,439
responsibility
4551
02:53:59,579 --> 02:54:03,420
this is simply a decrease in the feeling
4552
02:54:01,439 --> 02:54:04,920
of personal responsibility one feels
4553
02:54:03,420 --> 02:54:05,700
when in the presence of many other
4554
02:54:04,920 --> 02:54:08,398
people
4555
02:54:05,700 --> 02:54:11,159
the greater the number of bystanders the
4556
02:54:08,398 --> 02:54:12,840
less responsibility the individual feels
4557
02:54:11,159 --> 02:54:15,059
in cases where there are many people
4558
02:54:12,840 --> 02:54:17,159
present during an emergency it becomes
4559
02:54:15,059 --> 02:54:19,260
much more likely that any one individual
4560
02:54:17,159 --> 02:54:21,840
will simply do nothing
4561
02:54:19,260 --> 02:54:24,420
in essence the 38 Witnesses felt no
4562
02:54:21,840 --> 02:54:27,000
responsibility to act because there were
4563
02:54:24,420 --> 02:54:28,859
so many witnesses each one felt that the
4564
02:54:27,000 --> 02:54:31,318
other witness would do something
4565
02:54:28,859 --> 02:54:33,120
social psychology research supports the
4566
02:54:31,318 --> 02:54:35,039
notion that Catherine Genovese had a
4567
02:54:33,120 --> 02:54:36,779
better chance of survival if she'd been
4568
02:54:35,040 --> 02:54:39,600
attacked in the presence of just one
4569
02:54:36,779 --> 02:54:41,159
witness why had so many people stood by
4570
02:54:39,600 --> 02:54:43,500
and done nothing while an innocent
4571
02:54:41,159 --> 02:54:45,600
person was killed before their eyes
4572
02:54:43,500 --> 02:54:47,459
seldom has the times published a more
4573
02:54:45,600 --> 02:54:50,460
horrifying story than its account of how
4574
02:54:47,459 --> 02:54:53,099
38 respectable law-abiding middle class
4575
02:54:50,459 --> 02:54:55,079
Queen citizens watched a killer stalk as
4576
02:54:53,100 --> 02:54:56,460
young woman victim without one of them
4577
02:54:55,079 --> 02:54:58,799
making a call to the police department
4578
02:54:56,459 --> 02:55:02,159
that might have saved her life the times
4579
02:54:58,799 --> 02:55:03,959
wrote in an editorial on March 28th it
4580
02:55:02,159 --> 02:55:06,478
seemed to be too much for everyone to
4581
02:55:03,959 --> 02:55:07,919
digest though psychologists had several
4582
02:55:06,478 --> 02:55:09,719
theories to explain the depressing
4583
02:55:07,920 --> 02:55:12,239
conduct of the people in Kew Gardens
4584
02:55:09,719 --> 02:55:14,818
some dismissed it as a natural extension
4585
02:55:12,239 --> 02:55:17,039
of urban environment to people who lived
4586
02:55:14,818 --> 02:55:18,359
in Middle America or small towns the
4587
02:55:17,040 --> 02:55:20,520
reaction of the witnesses to the
4588
02:55:18,359 --> 02:55:22,859
Genovese murder was symbolic of the
4589
02:55:20,520 --> 02:55:25,560
hectic life in cities like New York
4590
02:55:22,859 --> 02:55:27,600
to them citizens in a large Metropolis
4591
02:55:25,559 --> 02:55:30,000
are not likely or willing to help a
4592
02:55:27,600 --> 02:55:31,979
stranger need although many New Yorkers
4593
02:55:30,000 --> 02:55:34,439
would disagree with that premise
4594
02:55:31,978 --> 02:55:35,818
Stanley Milgram one of America's
4595
02:55:34,439 --> 02:55:38,700
foremost researchers in social
4596
02:55:35,818 --> 02:55:40,500
psychology rode in the nation the Kew
4597
02:55:38,700 --> 02:55:43,079
Gardens incident has become the occasion
4598
02:55:40,500 --> 02:55:45,779
for a general attack on the city it's
4599
02:55:43,079 --> 02:55:47,760
portrayed as callous cruel indifferent
4600
02:55:45,779 --> 02:55:49,800
to the needs of the people and holy
4601
02:55:47,760 --> 02:55:52,439
inferior to the small town and quality
4602
02:55:49,799 --> 02:55:54,659
of its personal relationships others
4603
02:55:52,439 --> 02:55:57,359
like Lieutenant Bernard Jacobs of the
4604
02:55:54,659 --> 02:55:59,879
nycpd who led the police investigation
4605
02:55:57,359 --> 02:56:03,239
could not understand the reactions of
4606
02:55:59,879 --> 02:56:05,879
the 38. he told the Press where are they
4607
02:56:03,239 --> 02:56:07,680
in their homes near phones why should
4608
02:56:05,879 --> 02:56:10,619
they be afraid to call the police
4609
02:56:07,680 --> 02:56:13,020
it was a good question and there were
4610
02:56:10,620 --> 02:56:14,880
disturbing answers as well the police
4611
02:56:13,020 --> 02:56:16,439
received a great deal of criticism from
4612
02:56:14,879 --> 02:56:18,478
an angry public who had a deep
4613
02:56:16,439 --> 02:56:21,180
resentment against what they perceived
4614
02:56:18,478 --> 02:56:23,699
to be an indifferent rude and abusive
4615
02:56:21,180 --> 02:56:25,920
Police Department have you ever reported
4616
02:56:23,700 --> 02:56:28,620
anything to the police one letter to the
4617
02:56:25,920 --> 02:56:30,420
editor asked if you did you would know
4618
02:56:28,620 --> 02:56:33,120
that you're subjected to insults and
4619
02:56:30,420 --> 02:56:35,040
abuse from annoyed undutiful police
4620
02:56:33,120 --> 02:56:36,600
another frequent complaint was the
4621
02:56:35,040 --> 02:56:40,560
difficulty of calling the local police
4622
02:56:36,600 --> 02:56:42,359
precinct in 1964 there was no Universal
4623
02:56:40,559 --> 02:56:44,340
9-1-1 system
4624
02:56:42,359 --> 02:56:46,500
a caller had to dial the number to their
4625
02:56:44,340 --> 02:56:47,760
Precinct and sometimes the call went
4626
02:56:46,500 --> 02:56:50,159
somewhere else
4627
02:56:47,760 --> 02:56:51,898
the Genovese murder became a pivotal
4628
02:56:50,159 --> 02:56:53,459
factor in changing the phone reporting
4629
02:56:51,898 --> 02:56:57,000
procedure for the New York City Police
4630
02:56:53,459 --> 02:56:59,818
Department Dr Iago Goldston a New York
4631
02:56:57,000 --> 02:57:01,559
City psychiatrist said I would assign
4632
02:56:59,818 --> 02:57:04,019
this to the effect of the megalopolis in
4633
02:57:01,559 --> 02:57:06,239
which we live which makes closeness very
4634
02:57:04,020 --> 02:57:08,460
difficult and leads to the alienation of
4635
02:57:06,239 --> 02:57:10,559
the individual to the group another
4636
02:57:08,459 --> 02:57:12,539
professor was not so kind when he wrote
4637
02:57:10,559 --> 02:57:15,180
that the murder goes to the heart of
4638
02:57:12,540 --> 02:57:17,460
whether this is a community or a jungle
4639
02:57:15,180 --> 02:57:19,500
the killing of Kitty Genovese soon
4640
02:57:17,459 --> 02:57:22,339
became symbolic of all that was wrong
4641
02:57:19,500 --> 02:57:25,799
with modern society especially in cities
4642
02:57:22,340 --> 02:57:28,859
apathy was endemic beginning in April of
4643
02:57:25,799 --> 02:57:30,179
1964 New York City Newspapers printed a
4644
02:57:28,859 --> 02:57:32,700
series of stories highlighting the
4645
02:57:30,180 --> 02:57:35,279
apathy and callousness of citizens
4646
02:57:32,700 --> 02:57:37,620
one story which appeared on June 8th in
4647
02:57:35,279 --> 02:57:39,720
The Daily News told of a distraught man
4648
02:57:37,620 --> 02:57:41,220
who was perched on a 10-story ledge of a
4649
02:57:39,719 --> 02:57:43,920
Broadway office building
4650
02:57:41,219 --> 02:57:45,840
as police tried to talk the man down a
4651
02:57:43,920 --> 02:57:48,120
large crowd gathered in the street and
4652
02:57:45,840 --> 02:57:49,978
chanted jump jump
4653
02:57:48,120 --> 02:57:53,040
when the man was finally pulled off the
4654
02:57:49,978 --> 02:57:55,379
ledge the crowd loudly booed the cops
4655
02:57:53,040 --> 02:57:57,240
but an unidentified Theologian provided
4656
02:57:55,379 --> 02:57:59,039
the most telling piece of irony when he
4657
02:57:57,239 --> 02:58:00,898
sought to explain the urban problem of
4658
02:57:59,040 --> 02:58:03,960
indifference and the unwillingness of
4659
02:58:00,898 --> 02:58:05,760
the ordinary person to become involved I
4660
02:58:03,959 --> 02:58:07,739
can't understand it maybe the
4661
02:58:05,760 --> 02:58:10,079
depersonalizing here has gone farther
4662
02:58:07,739 --> 02:58:13,199
than I thought he told the times
4663
02:58:10,079 --> 02:58:15,478
he then added but don't quote me the
4664
02:58:13,200 --> 02:58:17,399
trial of Winston Mosley opened on June 8
4665
02:58:15,478 --> 02:58:20,159
1964.
4666
02:58:17,398 --> 02:58:22,799
though he originally pled not guilty his
4667
02:58:20,159 --> 02:58:25,139
attorney Sydney G Sparrow changed the
4668
02:58:22,799 --> 02:58:26,699
plea at the last minute to Not Guilty by
4669
02:58:25,139 --> 02:58:28,739
reason of insanity
4670
02:58:26,700 --> 02:58:30,300
since Mosley had already provided
4671
02:58:28,739 --> 02:58:32,520
detectives with a signed confession
4672
02:58:30,299 --> 02:58:34,199
which described exactly how he had
4673
02:58:32,520 --> 02:58:36,420
performed the killing there were not
4674
02:58:34,200 --> 02:58:38,520
many options left to the defense
4675
02:58:36,420 --> 02:58:40,200
many of the details of the murder made
4676
02:58:38,520 --> 02:58:42,420
public were derived from the written
4677
02:58:40,200 --> 02:58:45,659
confession and to plead not guilty to
4678
02:58:42,420 --> 02:58:47,340
the charges seemed ludicrous much to the
4679
02:58:45,659 --> 02:58:49,978
Chagrin of the defense team however
4680
02:58:47,340 --> 02:58:51,180
Mosley was pronounced sane by a state
4681
02:58:49,978 --> 02:58:52,920
psychiatrist
4682
02:58:51,180 --> 02:58:55,500
four residents of the Kew Gardens
4683
02:58:52,920 --> 02:58:57,898
neighborhood testified to the trial one
4684
02:58:55,500 --> 02:58:59,779
of them Miss Peak said that she saw
4685
02:58:57,898 --> 02:59:02,760
Catherine Genovese lying in the street
4686
02:58:59,779 --> 02:59:05,340
the poor girl got up slowly walking to
4687
02:59:02,760 --> 02:59:07,800
the parking lot I heard two last screams
4688
02:59:05,340 --> 02:59:10,620
for help but couldn't see her then she
4689
02:59:07,799 --> 02:59:12,719
said tearfully another Resident Robert
4690
02:59:10,620 --> 02:59:13,979
Moser said he yelled at the assailant
4691
02:59:12,719 --> 02:59:16,799
who then ran away
4692
02:59:13,978 --> 02:59:17,579
I hollered hey get out of there what are
4693
02:59:16,799 --> 02:59:19,559
you doing
4694
02:59:17,579 --> 02:59:21,898
he jumped up and ran like a scared
4695
02:59:19,559 --> 02:59:24,539
rabbit took off really quick he told the
4696
02:59:21,898 --> 02:59:26,939
court but it was mostly himself Who
4697
02:59:24,540 --> 02:59:28,200
provided both drama and revulsion to the
4698
02:59:26,939 --> 02:59:30,479
packed courtroom
4699
02:59:28,200 --> 02:59:32,279
he testified on the morning of June 11th
4700
02:59:30,478 --> 02:59:34,139
called to the stand by his own attorney
4701
02:59:32,279 --> 02:59:36,239
in the hope that the jury would see
4702
02:59:34,139 --> 02:59:38,278
Winston Mosley was insane
4703
02:59:36,239 --> 02:59:40,619
dressed in a neat short-sleeved white
4704
02:59:38,279 --> 02:59:43,020
shirt and speaking in a detached clear
4705
02:59:40,620 --> 02:59:45,180
voice he answered almost every question
4706
02:59:43,020 --> 02:59:46,979
in an even-handed manner
4707
02:59:45,180 --> 02:59:49,380
Sparrow asked his client about previous
4708
02:59:46,978 --> 02:59:51,179
crimes and Mosley admitted that he had
4709
02:59:49,379 --> 02:59:55,199
stabbed and killed 15-year-old Barbara
4710
02:59:51,180 --> 02:59:56,520
crawlik on July 20th 1963. Mosley also
4711
02:59:55,200 --> 02:59:58,800
confessed on the stand to the shooting
4712
02:59:56,520 --> 03:00:00,899
murder of Anne Mae Johnson on February
4713
02:59:58,799 --> 03:00:03,358
29 1964.
4714
03:00:00,898 --> 03:00:06,000
he said he shot Annie Johnson repeatedly
4715
03:00:03,359 --> 03:00:08,640
on the night of February 20th I intended
4716
03:00:06,000 --> 03:00:11,040
to kill her he told the court I didn't
4717
03:00:08,639 --> 03:00:13,619
think she was dead so I shot her again
4718
03:00:11,040 --> 03:00:16,319
when he turned her over Mosley said he
4719
03:00:13,620 --> 03:00:18,960
saw that she was dead I decided to reap
4720
03:00:16,318 --> 03:00:20,818
her he said without emotion then he
4721
03:00:18,959 --> 03:00:22,619
dragged her body into her home where he
4722
03:00:20,818 --> 03:00:25,680
set fire to her naked body in her living
4723
03:00:22,620 --> 03:00:27,660
room in the kralik murder Mosley said he
4724
03:00:25,680 --> 03:00:29,818
wanted to rape the teenager but was
4725
03:00:27,659 --> 03:00:31,619
scared Away by someone in the house
4726
03:00:29,818 --> 03:00:34,799
I looked at her for maybe a few seconds
4727
03:00:31,620 --> 03:00:36,600
then I put my knife into her as I was
4728
03:00:34,799 --> 03:00:38,759
stabbing her she squirmed free from my
4729
03:00:36,600 --> 03:00:40,439
grip I put my hand over her mouth and I
4730
03:00:38,760 --> 03:00:41,639
stabbed her some more he said to a
4731
03:00:40,439 --> 03:00:43,200
hushed courtroom
4732
03:00:41,639 --> 03:00:45,420
when it was time to describe the
4733
03:00:43,200 --> 03:00:47,340
Genovese murder Mosley said that he went
4734
03:00:45,420 --> 03:00:49,079
out on the night of March 13th for the
4735
03:00:47,340 --> 03:00:51,359
purpose of killing someone
4736
03:00:49,079 --> 03:00:54,059
I went out that night intending to kill
4737
03:00:51,359 --> 03:00:55,739
a woman he told the court when I got
4738
03:00:54,059 --> 03:00:57,478
such a thought it remained with me
4739
03:00:55,739 --> 03:01:00,239
regardless of what I might be thinking
4740
03:00:57,478 --> 03:01:02,398
he said I had a hunting knife that I'd
4741
03:01:00,239 --> 03:01:05,459
taken from a previous burglary and I
4742
03:01:02,398 --> 03:01:07,019
took that with me he added Mosley said
4743
03:01:05,459 --> 03:01:09,239
that he followed Catherine from her car
4744
03:01:07,020 --> 03:01:10,920
in the railroad parking lot to a nearby
4745
03:01:09,239 --> 03:01:13,379
building where he stabbed her the first
4746
03:01:10,920 --> 03:01:17,100
time I plunged the knife into her back
4747
03:01:13,379 --> 03:01:18,778
twice she fell down he said he saw
4748
03:01:17,100 --> 03:01:20,579
lights come on in the building across
4749
03:01:18,779 --> 03:01:23,040
the street and then returned to his car
4750
03:01:20,579 --> 03:01:25,260
to move it I realized the car was parked
4751
03:01:23,040 --> 03:01:27,439
where people could see it and me so I
4752
03:01:25,260 --> 03:01:29,639
moved it some distance away he said
4753
03:01:27,439 --> 03:01:31,559
mostly hurt some of the tenants of the
4754
03:01:29,639 --> 03:01:34,019
building yelled down at him but he said
4755
03:01:31,559 --> 03:01:35,639
he was unconcerned I had a feeling this
4756
03:01:34,020 --> 03:01:38,340
man would close his window and go back
4757
03:01:35,639 --> 03:01:41,579
to sleep he said to Cops and sure enough
4758
03:01:38,340 --> 03:01:43,318
he did on June 11th the defense and
4759
03:01:41,579 --> 03:01:45,539
prosecution summed up the case in front
4760
03:01:43,318 --> 03:01:47,818
of the 11-man one-woman jury
4761
03:01:45,540 --> 03:01:49,800
Sydney G Sparrow tried hard to get the
4762
03:01:47,818 --> 03:01:52,379
jury to accept the Not Guilty by reason
4763
03:01:49,799 --> 03:01:54,059
of insanity plea he tried to make the
4764
03:01:52,379 --> 03:01:57,358
court understand that Winston Mosley
4765
03:01:54,059 --> 03:02:00,000
lived a Dr Jekyll Mr Hyde existence
4766
03:01:57,359 --> 03:02:02,579
by day he had a regular job was married
4767
03:02:00,000 --> 03:02:04,318
had a family and seemed like any other
4768
03:02:02,579 --> 03:02:06,920
ordinary citizen
4769
03:02:04,318 --> 03:02:10,318
but at night he turned into a monster
4770
03:02:06,920 --> 03:02:12,299
addicted to murder and sexual frenzies
4771
03:02:10,318 --> 03:02:15,420
he said Mosley was a schizophrenic
4772
03:02:12,299 --> 03:02:17,278
personality and legally insane was It
4773
03:02:15,420 --> 03:02:20,279
Sane for him to go on about what he was
4774
03:02:17,279 --> 03:02:22,260
doing when 10 20 30 or 50 people were
4775
03:02:20,279 --> 03:02:24,359
opening Windows opening and closing
4776
03:02:22,260 --> 03:02:26,818
doors yelling at him he asked the jury
4777
03:02:24,359 --> 03:02:29,399
but the prosecuting attorney assistant
4778
03:02:26,818 --> 03:02:30,299
district attorney Frank Cacciatore was
4779
03:02:29,398 --> 03:02:33,420
ready
4780
03:02:30,299 --> 03:02:34,978
Mosley was a panther a beast roaming the
4781
03:02:33,420 --> 03:02:38,100
streets of Queens in the dead of night
4782
03:02:34,978 --> 03:02:40,318
he shouted at the courtroom judge J
4783
03:02:38,100 --> 03:02:43,200
Erwin Shapiro instructed the jury on the
4784
03:02:40,318 --> 03:02:44,639
insanity plea legal sanity means a
4785
03:02:43,200 --> 03:02:46,859
person must be held criminally
4786
03:02:44,639 --> 03:02:48,778
responsible for his conduct unless he
4787
03:02:46,859 --> 03:02:50,460
had such a defective reason that he
4788
03:02:48,779 --> 03:02:53,159
cannot distinguish between right and
4789
03:02:50,459 --> 03:02:55,379
wrong he said and through all of the
4790
03:02:53,159 --> 03:02:58,260
arguing and summations which lasted into
4791
03:02:55,379 --> 03:03:00,959
the late afternoon of June 11 1964.
4792
03:02:58,260 --> 03:03:02,219
Winston Mosley sat calmly in his seat at
4793
03:03:00,959 --> 03:03:05,278
the defense table
4794
03:03:02,219 --> 03:03:07,438
jury deliberations began at 4 pm at the
4795
03:03:05,279 --> 03:03:09,000
Queen's Supreme Court building just a
4796
03:03:07,439 --> 03:03:10,620
few minutes walk from Austin Street
4797
03:03:09,000 --> 03:03:11,760
where Catherine was murdered three
4798
03:03:10,620 --> 03:03:14,700
months before
4799
03:03:11,760 --> 03:03:17,818
by 10 30 PM less than seven hours later
4800
03:03:14,700 --> 03:03:20,220
a verdict was reached Mosley was found
4801
03:03:17,818 --> 03:03:22,260
guilty of murder in the first degree
4802
03:03:20,219 --> 03:03:24,239
he stood motionless as he heard the jury
4803
03:03:22,260 --> 03:03:27,420
announce its decision
4804
03:03:24,239 --> 03:03:29,100
he made no outward signs of emotion when
4805
03:03:27,420 --> 03:03:31,739
asked by the court clerk of his date of
4806
03:03:29,100 --> 03:03:35,700
birth he said I was born on March 2nd
4807
03:03:31,739 --> 03:03:37,199
1935 Manhattan graduate of high school I
4808
03:03:35,700 --> 03:03:39,720
occasionally go to church
4809
03:03:37,200 --> 03:03:41,460
then Court officers took him away
4810
03:03:39,719 --> 03:03:43,619
there were only about 10 Spectators
4811
03:03:41,459 --> 03:03:45,358
present when the verdict was announced
4812
03:03:43,620 --> 03:03:47,040
most people thought there would not be a
4813
03:03:45,359 --> 03:03:47,840
verdict until Monday and had left for
4814
03:03:47,040 --> 03:03:50,100
the weekend
4815
03:03:47,840 --> 03:03:52,260
conspicuous in their absence was the
4816
03:03:50,100 --> 03:03:54,479
Genovese family no one from the family
4817
03:03:52,260 --> 03:03:56,880
had ever visited the courtroom
4818
03:03:54,478 --> 03:04:00,179
none of us went to the trial not even
4819
03:03:56,879 --> 03:04:01,858
mom or dad said Bill Genovese we tried
4820
03:04:00,180 --> 03:04:04,620
to protect the family from the publicity
4821
03:04:01,859 --> 03:04:06,059
especially mom we hid the newspaper
4822
03:04:04,620 --> 03:04:09,479
articles from her
4823
03:04:06,059 --> 03:04:11,100
on Monday June 15 1964 Mosley was
4824
03:04:09,478 --> 03:04:13,799
brought back to Queen's County Supreme
4825
03:04:11,100 --> 03:04:15,600
Court for sentencing this time the
4826
03:04:13,799 --> 03:04:18,239
courtroom was packed with Spectators and
4827
03:04:15,600 --> 03:04:20,399
reporters the prosecution was allowed to
4828
03:04:18,239 --> 03:04:22,020
introduce any matters which they deem
4829
03:04:20,398 --> 03:04:23,760
relevant to show aggravating
4830
03:04:22,020 --> 03:04:24,720
circumstances of the defendant's
4831
03:04:23,760 --> 03:04:26,639
behavior
4832
03:04:24,719 --> 03:04:28,019
Four Women testified that Mosley had
4833
03:04:26,639 --> 03:04:30,299
also attacked them
4834
03:04:28,020 --> 03:04:33,659
he had beaten one of them but another
4835
03:04:30,299 --> 03:04:35,938
and robbed all four the testimony was
4836
03:04:33,659 --> 03:04:36,840
graphic and had an emotional impact on
4837
03:04:35,939 --> 03:04:39,720
the jury
4838
03:04:36,840 --> 03:04:41,398
life imprisonment isn't that at all this
4839
03:04:39,719 --> 03:04:43,139
monster can live to stalk the streets
4840
03:04:41,398 --> 03:04:45,840
again pleaded assistant district
4841
03:04:43,139 --> 03:04:48,478
attorney Frank cacciatore the jury
4842
03:04:45,840 --> 03:04:51,000
retired to consider the sentence a short
4843
03:04:48,478 --> 03:04:53,398
time later they announced their decision
4844
03:04:51,000 --> 03:04:56,100
we the jury recommend the death penalty
4845
03:04:53,398 --> 03:04:57,959
the jury Foreman said to the court the
4846
03:04:56,100 --> 03:04:59,640
room erupted into loud spontaneous
4847
03:04:57,959 --> 03:05:01,858
Applause and cheers
4848
03:04:59,639 --> 03:05:03,059
judge Shapiro pounded his gavel to
4849
03:05:01,859 --> 03:05:06,000
restore order
4850
03:05:03,059 --> 03:05:08,579
I've never seen anything like this never
4851
03:05:06,000 --> 03:05:10,260
not at such a Time said a veteran court
4852
03:05:08,579 --> 03:05:12,120
officer to reporters
4853
03:05:10,260 --> 03:05:14,159
once the clamor had settled down and
4854
03:05:12,120 --> 03:05:16,439
people took their seats again the judge
4855
03:05:14,159 --> 03:05:18,659
added his own thoughts I don't believe
4856
03:05:16,439 --> 03:05:21,600
in capital punishment but when I see
4857
03:05:18,659 --> 03:05:24,239
this monster he said I wouldn't hesitate
4858
03:05:21,600 --> 03:05:27,420
to pull the switch myself when he was
4859
03:05:24,239 --> 03:05:28,500
arrested in March 1964 Mosley was 28
4860
03:05:27,420 --> 03:05:30,719
years old
4861
03:05:28,500 --> 03:05:32,520
he owned a house in Queens was married
4862
03:05:30,719 --> 03:05:34,619
and had two children
4863
03:05:32,520 --> 03:05:37,260
he had a steady job and no criminal
4864
03:05:34,620 --> 03:05:39,960
record but Catherine was not his only
4865
03:05:37,260 --> 03:05:42,239
victim he committed dozens of burglaries
4866
03:05:39,959 --> 03:05:44,039
and rapes which he later admitted to the
4867
03:05:42,239 --> 03:05:46,020
police and at his trial
4868
03:05:44,040 --> 03:05:48,359
I chose women to kill because they were
4869
03:05:46,020 --> 03:05:51,060
easier and didn't fight back he once
4870
03:05:48,359 --> 03:05:52,439
said after his conviction Mosley was
4871
03:05:51,059 --> 03:05:54,059
remanded to the Department of
4872
03:05:52,439 --> 03:05:57,960
Corrections and eventually shipped to
4873
03:05:54,059 --> 03:06:00,000
Attica prison in 1967 the New York state
4874
03:05:57,959 --> 03:06:01,858
court of appeals found that evidence of
4875
03:06:00,000 --> 03:06:04,200
Mosley's mental condition should have
4876
03:06:01,859 --> 03:06:05,640
been admitted into trial his death
4877
03:06:04,200 --> 03:06:06,840
sentence was reduced to life
4878
03:06:05,639 --> 03:06:10,260
imprisonment
4879
03:06:06,840 --> 03:06:12,600
but in 1968 during a routine transfer to
4880
03:06:10,260 --> 03:06:15,300
a hospital in Buffalo Mosley managed to
4881
03:06:12,600 --> 03:06:17,460
overpower a guard and steal his gun
4882
03:06:15,299 --> 03:06:19,679
he later took five people hostage and
4883
03:06:17,459 --> 03:06:21,959
ripped a woman in front of her husband
4884
03:06:19,680 --> 03:06:23,340
the FBI located the escaped killer in a
4885
03:06:21,959 --> 03:06:24,478
second floor apartment in downtown
4886
03:06:23,340 --> 03:06:27,540
Buffalo
4887
03:06:24,478 --> 03:06:30,059
a courageous FBI agent named Neil Welsh
4888
03:06:27,540 --> 03:06:32,700
managed to enter the apartment and for
4889
03:06:30,059 --> 03:06:34,559
nail biting half hour Mosley and Welsh
4890
03:06:32,700 --> 03:06:36,680
pointed guns at each other point blank
4891
03:06:34,559 --> 03:06:40,139
while they continued negotiations
4892
03:06:36,680 --> 03:06:42,300
mostly later surrendered you ship back
4893
03:06:40,139 --> 03:06:45,840
to Attica prison where he became just
4894
03:06:42,299 --> 03:06:47,278
another lifer over the years Mosley like
4895
03:06:45,840 --> 03:06:49,439
a lot of other convicts who realized
4896
03:06:47,279 --> 03:06:51,120
they may never get out of prison became
4897
03:06:49,439 --> 03:06:53,760
somewhat philosophical
4898
03:06:51,120 --> 03:06:56,160
prison as it presently stands is an
4899
03:06:53,760 --> 03:06:58,200
inherently evil place that insidiously
4900
03:06:56,159 --> 03:07:00,840
and systematically works to destroy
4901
03:06:58,200 --> 03:07:04,200
imprisoned persons he said later
4902
03:07:00,840 --> 03:07:06,898
he was at Attica in September 1971 when
4903
03:07:04,200 --> 03:07:08,760
a bloody Riot erupted killing 10 guards
4904
03:07:06,898 --> 03:07:11,039
and 29 prisoners
4905
03:07:08,760 --> 03:07:12,779
I went through a trial of fire and death
4906
03:07:11,040 --> 03:07:13,680
he said in a letter to the New York
4907
03:07:12,779 --> 03:07:16,200
Times
4908
03:07:13,680 --> 03:07:18,779
the 71 Attica Rebellion profoundly
4909
03:07:16,200 --> 03:07:20,340
affected me I vowed right then and there
4910
03:07:18,779 --> 03:07:22,380
that I was going to get on the right
4911
03:07:20,340 --> 03:07:26,279
track and make amends for my past
4912
03:07:22,379 --> 03:07:28,318
wrongdoing in 1977 Mosley wrote a long
4913
03:07:26,279 --> 03:07:30,899
letter to the times airing his thoughts
4914
03:07:28,318 --> 03:07:32,699
on his killings and life in prison as
4915
03:07:30,898 --> 03:07:35,340
for the Catherine Genovese murder he
4916
03:07:32,700 --> 03:07:36,720
said the crime was tragic but it did
4917
03:07:35,340 --> 03:07:38,579
serve Society
4918
03:07:36,719 --> 03:07:41,159
urging it as it did to come to the aid
4919
03:07:38,579 --> 03:07:43,379
of its members in danger or distress
4920
03:07:41,159 --> 03:07:46,139
the times apparently seeing something
4921
03:07:43,379 --> 03:07:48,119
profound in Mosley's words saw fit to
4922
03:07:46,139 --> 03:07:50,459
publish the entire article in its op-ed
4923
03:07:48,120 --> 03:07:53,040
section under the alluring title today
4924
03:07:50,459 --> 03:07:55,438
I'm a man who wants to be an asset on
4925
03:07:53,040 --> 03:07:58,200
April 11 1977.
4926
03:07:55,439 --> 03:07:59,579
the story spanned four columns replete
4927
03:07:58,200 --> 03:08:01,260
with graphics and Mosley's own
4928
03:07:59,579 --> 03:08:03,719
description of a different and
4929
03:08:01,260 --> 03:08:06,420
constructive multiple killer the man who
4930
03:08:03,719 --> 03:08:10,079
killed Kitty Genovese in Queens in 1964
4931
03:08:06,420 --> 03:08:12,359
is no more Mosley wrote another vastly
4932
03:08:10,079 --> 03:08:14,459
different individual has emerged a
4933
03:08:12,359 --> 03:08:17,700
Winston Mosley intent and determined to
4934
03:08:14,459 --> 03:08:20,159
do constructive not destructive things
4935
03:08:17,700 --> 03:08:22,380
Mosley realized he'd become eligible for
4936
03:08:20,159 --> 03:08:24,779
parole and he began a concentrated
4937
03:08:22,379 --> 03:08:26,599
effort to gain release from prison
4938
03:08:24,779 --> 03:08:30,060
he read books from the prison library
4939
03:08:26,600 --> 03:08:31,859
and using taxpayer funds was able to
4940
03:08:30,059 --> 03:08:34,619
enroll in a college program
4941
03:08:31,859 --> 03:08:36,600
in the late 1970s he became one of the
4942
03:08:34,620 --> 03:08:38,819
first inmates in New York state to earn
4943
03:08:36,600 --> 03:08:41,399
a college degree when he received a ba
4944
03:08:38,818 --> 03:08:43,379
in sociology from Niagara University
4945
03:08:41,398 --> 03:08:45,358
he wrote letters to newspapers and
4946
03:08:43,379 --> 03:08:46,500
continued his campaign to obtain a
4947
03:08:45,359 --> 03:08:49,520
parole
4948
03:08:46,500 --> 03:08:51,898
During the period of 1984 through 1995
4949
03:08:49,520 --> 03:08:53,579
Mosley appeared before the state parole
4950
03:08:51,898 --> 03:08:55,500
board six times
4951
03:08:53,579 --> 03:08:57,478
his appearances were marked by his
4952
03:08:55,500 --> 03:08:59,760
bizarre self-serving comments to the
4953
03:08:57,478 --> 03:09:02,398
panel and he frequently assumed the role
4954
03:08:59,760 --> 03:09:05,398
of society's victim for a victim outside
4955
03:09:02,398 --> 03:09:07,318
it's a one-time or one hour or one
4956
03:09:05,398 --> 03:09:10,978
minute Affair but for the person who's
4957
03:09:07,318 --> 03:09:13,318
caught it's forever he said in 1984.
4958
03:09:10,978 --> 03:09:16,619
people do kill people when they mug them
4959
03:09:13,318 --> 03:09:18,359
sometimes he added at One Parole hearing
4960
03:09:16,620 --> 03:09:20,939
Mosley claimed he had written a letter
4961
03:09:18,359 --> 03:09:23,100
to the Genovese family to apologize for
4962
03:09:20,939 --> 03:09:25,260
the inconvenience I caused
4963
03:09:23,100 --> 03:09:28,020
the Genovese family strongly denied
4964
03:09:25,260 --> 03:09:31,500
receiving any such communication nor did
4965
03:09:28,020 --> 03:09:34,260
they wish for one in 1995 at the age of
4966
03:09:31,500 --> 03:09:35,398
60 Mosley thought he had found a way out
4967
03:09:34,260 --> 03:09:37,318
of prison
4968
03:09:35,398 --> 03:09:39,119
he appealed to a federal court to give
4969
03:09:37,318 --> 03:09:41,579
him a new trial because he claimed that
4970
03:09:39,120 --> 03:09:43,800
his attorney Sydney Sparrow had a
4971
03:09:41,579 --> 03:09:46,379
conflict of interest during his trial
4972
03:09:43,799 --> 03:09:49,318
had once represented Catherine Genovese
4973
03:09:46,379 --> 03:09:51,839
on a minor gambling charge and therefore
4974
03:09:49,318 --> 03:09:54,059
mostly surmised he could not represent
4975
03:09:51,840 --> 03:09:56,639
him when he was accused of her murder
4976
03:09:54,059 --> 03:09:59,818
this time however the Genovese family
4977
03:09:56,639 --> 03:10:02,159
did attend all three brothers Vince
4978
03:09:59,818 --> 03:10:04,739
Frank and Bill who lost both legs in
4979
03:10:02,159 --> 03:10:07,739
1967 during the Vietnam war and his
4980
03:10:04,739 --> 03:10:10,139
sister Susan were there it was tough to
4981
03:10:07,739 --> 03:10:12,619
hear it all again said bill but it was
4982
03:10:10,139 --> 03:10:15,840
tougher on Vince who testified
4983
03:10:12,620 --> 03:10:17,819
then 82 years old also attended the
4984
03:10:15,840 --> 03:10:19,920
hearing and later said that Mosley was a
4985
03:10:17,818 --> 03:10:21,119
liar trying to get out of prison anyway
4986
03:10:19,920 --> 03:10:24,659
he can
4987
03:10:21,120 --> 03:10:26,700
on November 13 1995 a federal judge
4988
03:10:24,659 --> 03:10:30,119
denied Mosley's request for a new trial
4989
03:10:26,700 --> 03:10:32,579
saying that Sparrow in 1964 gave Mosley
4990
03:10:30,120 --> 03:10:34,740
effective competent and capable counsel
4991
03:10:32,579 --> 03:10:37,439
under difficult circumstances
4992
03:10:34,739 --> 03:10:39,659
he was returned to prison once again
4993
03:10:37,439 --> 03:10:42,420
for the families of murder victims there
4994
03:10:39,659 --> 03:10:44,398
is never closure only a periodic respite
4995
03:10:42,420 --> 03:10:45,600
from the sorrow that once dominated
4996
03:10:44,398 --> 03:10:47,519
their lives
4997
03:10:45,600 --> 03:10:50,399
a long time has passed since the murder
4998
03:10:47,520 --> 03:10:51,899
in Kew Gardens but in many ways it's
4999
03:10:50,398 --> 03:10:54,420
still recent for those who loved
5000
03:10:51,898 --> 03:10:56,639
Catherine from time to time the Press
5001
03:10:54,420 --> 03:10:58,559
still calls on the Genovese family
5002
03:10:56,639 --> 03:11:01,079
I was consulted in a project for the
5003
03:10:58,559 --> 03:11:02,639
History Channel said Bill the ex-marine
5004
03:11:01,079 --> 03:11:04,739
and Vietnam veteran
5005
03:11:02,639 --> 03:11:07,199
he lost his legs in combat on a Friday
5006
03:11:04,739 --> 03:11:09,359
the 13th the same day that Catherine was
5007
03:11:07,200 --> 03:11:11,220
killed but three years later
5008
03:11:09,359 --> 03:11:14,579
see they're going to do the story anyway
5009
03:11:11,219 --> 03:11:17,398
so we might as well cooperate he said
5010
03:11:14,579 --> 03:11:19,079
Vince nodded his head in agreement at
5011
03:11:17,398 --> 03:11:22,500
least we have some measure of control if
5012
03:11:19,079 --> 03:11:25,559
we cooperate he said of the 38 Witnesses
5013
03:11:22,500 --> 03:11:28,799
the family had little to say it was
5014
03:11:25,559 --> 03:11:31,859
shocking devastating awful our sister
5015
03:11:28,799 --> 03:11:33,959
could have been saved Vince said I don't
5016
03:11:31,859 --> 03:11:36,479
know who they are even I didn't want to
5017
03:11:33,959 --> 03:11:38,339
talk to any of them the witnesses
5018
03:11:36,478 --> 03:11:41,519
however and their failure to take action
5019
03:11:38,340 --> 03:11:44,219
on the night of March 13 1964 will never
5020
03:11:41,520 --> 03:11:46,140
be forgotten in the past four decades
5021
03:11:44,219 --> 03:11:48,420
Catherine's murder has been absorbed
5022
03:11:46,139 --> 03:11:50,778
into the vast psychological database of
5023
03:11:48,420 --> 03:11:53,579
human Behavioral Science to be studied
5024
03:11:50,779 --> 03:11:56,100
analyzed picked apart in classrooms and
5025
03:11:53,579 --> 03:11:58,379
written about in college textbooks but
5026
03:11:56,100 --> 03:12:00,960
that development intends no disrespect
5027
03:11:58,379 --> 03:12:03,119
for her death her case came to symbolize
5028
03:12:00,959 --> 03:12:04,978
the corruption of modern city life a
5029
03:12:03,120 --> 03:12:07,979
life in which everyone is too frightened
5030
03:12:04,978 --> 03:12:09,239
or too selfish to help another person a
5031
03:12:07,978 --> 03:12:11,219
life in which the value of
5032
03:12:09,239 --> 03:12:13,379
humanitarianism has been forgotten
5033
03:12:11,219 --> 03:12:14,879
rights Professor Helen Benedict of
5034
03:12:13,379 --> 03:12:18,179
Columbia University
5035
03:12:14,879 --> 03:12:21,119
Mosley was denied parole on 18th time in
5036
03:12:18,180 --> 03:12:25,620
November 2015 and died in prison on
5037
03:12:21,120 --> 03:12:28,319
March 28 2016 at the age of 81. he had
5038
03:12:25,620 --> 03:12:30,359
served 52 years making him one of the
5039
03:12:28,318 --> 03:12:33,559
longest serving inmates in the New York
5040
03:12:30,359 --> 03:12:33,559
state prison system
5041
03:12:41,159 --> 03:12:46,318
Rey and Faye Copeland aren't the only
5042
03:12:43,739 --> 03:12:49,379
husband and wife Killers but they may be
5043
03:12:46,318 --> 03:12:51,359
the most bizarre not only did they
5044
03:12:49,379 --> 03:12:52,920
commit multiple murders together but
5045
03:12:51,359 --> 03:12:54,899
they were both eligible for Social
5046
03:12:52,920 --> 03:12:57,299
Security at the time of their crimes
5047
03:12:54,898 --> 03:12:59,459
little information is readily available
5048
03:12:57,299 --> 03:13:01,739
and few Studies have been conducted on
5049
03:12:59,459 --> 03:13:04,438
perpetrators over the age of 60.
5050
03:13:01,739 --> 03:13:06,659
according to the 2000 Russian Journal of
5051
03:13:04,439 --> 03:13:08,700
Psychiatry most elderly murderers
5052
03:13:06,659 --> 03:13:11,879
demonstrate a close relationship between
5053
03:13:08,700 --> 03:13:14,220
pre-senile senile disorders and social
5054
03:13:11,879 --> 03:13:15,659
psychological factors and more than half
5055
03:13:14,219 --> 03:13:18,299
demonstrate clear evidence of
5056
03:13:15,659 --> 03:13:19,500
Psychopathology another study conducted
5057
03:13:18,299 --> 03:13:21,659
that same year by the medical
5058
03:13:19,500 --> 03:13:23,040
Correctional Authority showed that most
5059
03:13:21,659 --> 03:13:25,139
of those sent to prison for the first
5060
03:13:23,040 --> 03:13:27,960
time when 60 or older had committed
5061
03:13:25,139 --> 03:13:30,358
Crimes of Passion Rey and Faye were
5062
03:13:27,959 --> 03:13:32,818
convicted of killing five men and none
5063
03:13:30,359 --> 03:13:34,439
of them were Crimes of Passion that's
5064
03:13:32,818 --> 03:13:37,079
not to say that they were in their right
5065
03:13:34,439 --> 03:13:38,880
Minds at the time perhaps by looking at
5066
03:13:37,079 --> 03:13:41,100
the complete picture we can get a better
5067
03:13:38,879 --> 03:13:44,579
understanding of what drove them to kill
5068
03:13:41,100 --> 03:13:46,920
bill on August 20th 1989 the Nebraska
5069
03:13:44,579 --> 03:13:49,739
Crime Stoppers hotline logged a call
5070
03:13:46,920 --> 03:13:51,600
from 57-year-old Jack McCormick he had
5071
03:13:49,739 --> 03:13:53,398
recently moved from Missouri where he
5072
03:13:51,600 --> 03:13:55,859
had witnessed several events that made
5073
03:13:53,398 --> 03:13:58,019
him fear for his life he had worked on a
5074
03:13:55,859 --> 03:14:00,239
farm for an elderly couple named Ray and
5075
03:13:58,020 --> 03:14:02,279
Faye Copeland who would use Drifters to
5076
03:14:00,239 --> 03:14:04,619
commit crimes involving the sale of
5077
03:14:02,279 --> 03:14:07,140
livestock in the beginning He was
5078
03:14:04,620 --> 03:14:09,439
unaware of the illegal activities but he
5079
03:14:07,139 --> 03:14:11,879
eventually realized what was going on
5080
03:14:09,439 --> 03:14:14,040
McCormick said Mr Copeland eventually
5081
03:14:11,879 --> 03:14:17,099
became aware of his suspicions and tried
5082
03:14:14,040 --> 03:14:19,439
to kill him which is why he fled as the
5083
03:14:17,100 --> 03:14:21,120
conversation came to a close McCormick
5084
03:14:19,439 --> 03:14:24,120
mentioned that he had seen several human
5085
03:14:21,120 --> 03:14:26,399
bones on the farm Nebraska authorities
5086
03:14:24,120 --> 03:14:29,640
while somewhat skeptical of the story
5087
03:14:26,398 --> 03:14:32,039
notified detectives in Missouri Copeland
5088
03:14:29,639 --> 03:14:34,019
had a long arrest record for forgery and
5089
03:14:32,040 --> 03:14:36,840
cattle theft so Missouri authorities
5090
03:14:34,020 --> 03:14:38,399
took the tip very seriously they spent
5091
03:14:36,840 --> 03:14:40,318
the next few months Gathering evidence
5092
03:14:38,398 --> 03:14:42,539
and used McCormick's statements to
5093
03:14:40,318 --> 03:14:46,199
secure a search warrant on the morning
5094
03:14:42,540 --> 03:14:48,479
of October 9 1989 Sheriff Leland Odell
5095
03:14:46,200 --> 03:14:50,880
along with as many as 40 officers
5096
03:14:48,478 --> 03:14:53,219
several backhoes and teams of
5097
03:14:50,879 --> 03:14:55,619
bloodhounds descended upon the Copeland
5098
03:14:53,219 --> 03:14:58,559
farm with such a large area to cover
5099
03:14:55,620 --> 03:15:01,260
Odell needed all the help he could get
5100
03:14:58,559 --> 03:15:03,299
after spending a week scouring the farm
5101
03:15:01,260 --> 03:15:05,279
and surrounding property investigators
5102
03:15:03,299 --> 03:15:07,858
had not found any evidence to back up
5103
03:15:05,279 --> 03:15:09,720
McCormick's story some were beginning to
5104
03:15:07,859 --> 03:15:13,680
wonder if they had made a terrible
5105
03:15:09,719 --> 03:15:16,519
mistake nonetheless on October 17 1989
5106
03:15:13,680 --> 03:15:18,898
all doubts were put to rest
5107
03:15:16,520 --> 03:15:21,060
investigators discovered three bodies in
5108
03:15:18,898 --> 03:15:23,579
a local Barn Ray Copeland was known to
5109
03:15:21,059 --> 03:15:25,680
use each one was buried in a separate
5110
03:15:23,579 --> 03:15:28,020
grave and they were later identified as
5111
03:15:25,680 --> 03:15:30,960
21 year old Paul Jason Cowart from
5112
03:15:28,020 --> 03:15:34,079
Dardanelle Arkansas 27 year old John W
5113
03:15:30,959 --> 03:15:36,059
Freeman from Tulsa Oklahoma and 27 year
5114
03:15:34,079 --> 03:15:38,939
old Jimmy Dale Harvey from Springfield
5115
03:15:36,059 --> 03:15:41,340
Missouri all three had died from a
5116
03:15:38,939 --> 03:15:44,279
single gunshot wound to the back of
5117
03:15:41,340 --> 03:15:46,380
skull the following week investigators
5118
03:15:44,279 --> 03:15:48,779
searched another barn Rey was known to
5119
03:15:46,379 --> 03:15:51,000
use more than a dozen deputies and
5120
03:15:48,779 --> 03:15:53,579
volunteers spent several hours removing
5121
03:15:51,000 --> 03:15:56,279
2 000 bales of hay which was stacked
5122
03:15:53,579 --> 03:15:58,260
ceiling High investigators discovered a
5123
03:15:56,279 --> 03:16:00,720
body wrapped in black plastic beneath
5124
03:15:58,260 --> 03:16:02,639
the barn floor the victim had also been
5125
03:16:00,719 --> 03:16:05,278
killed by a single gunshot to the back
5126
03:16:02,639 --> 03:16:07,920
of the head he was later identified as
5127
03:16:05,279 --> 03:16:09,560
Wayne Warner age unknown
5128
03:16:07,920 --> 03:16:12,840
during a search of Ray's home
5129
03:16:09,559 --> 03:16:15,180
investigators seized a 22 caliber Marlin
5130
03:16:12,840 --> 03:16:17,700
bolt action rifle according to the
5131
03:16:15,180 --> 03:16:19,859
Kansas City Star ballistic tests later
5132
03:16:17,700 --> 03:16:22,500
revealed it was the weapon used in each
5133
03:16:19,859 --> 03:16:24,420
murder investigators also discovered a
5134
03:16:22,500 --> 03:16:26,939
handwritten list of farm helpers in
5135
03:16:24,420 --> 03:16:29,760
Phase writing 12 of the names had
5136
03:16:26,939 --> 03:16:31,559
scrawled X's by them five of those men
5137
03:16:29,760 --> 03:16:33,659
turned up dead and investigator
5138
03:16:31,559 --> 03:16:36,778
suspected that the others who turned out
5139
03:16:33,659 --> 03:16:39,180
to be missing were also dead in addition
5140
03:16:36,779 --> 03:16:41,100
they also found a quilt which Faye had
5141
03:16:39,180 --> 03:16:43,760
made from the clothing of the murdered
5142
03:16:41,100 --> 03:16:46,800
men as the search began to wind down
5143
03:16:43,760 --> 03:16:49,260
investigators made one final Discovery
5144
03:16:46,799 --> 03:16:51,299
while examining an old well close to
5145
03:16:49,260 --> 03:16:54,000
where Warner's body was found they
5146
03:16:51,299 --> 03:16:56,099
discovered the body of another man he
5147
03:16:54,000 --> 03:16:58,978
was later identified as 27 year old
5148
03:16:56,100 --> 03:17:00,840
Dennis Murphy as with the others his
5149
03:16:58,978 --> 03:17:03,179
death resulted from a single Bullet to
5150
03:17:00,840 --> 03:17:05,818
the back of the head prosecutors were
5151
03:17:03,180 --> 03:17:07,559
quick to offer Faye Copeland a deal if
5152
03:17:05,818 --> 03:17:09,778
she were to tell investigators wear more
5153
03:17:07,559 --> 03:17:11,699
body might be found they would only
5154
03:17:09,779 --> 03:17:13,560
charge her with conspiracy to commit
5155
03:17:11,700 --> 03:17:16,079
murder and she would serve a few months
5156
03:17:13,559 --> 03:17:18,478
in jail for her cooperation regardless
5157
03:17:16,079 --> 03:17:20,939
they claimed to have no knowledge of any
5158
03:17:18,478 --> 03:17:22,978
of the murders both Rey and Faye
5159
03:17:20,939 --> 03:17:25,800
Copeland were arraigned on five counts
5160
03:17:22,978 --> 03:17:28,079
of first-degree murder prosecutors did
5161
03:17:25,799 --> 03:17:29,759
not want to take any chances and Rey was
5162
03:17:28,079 --> 03:17:32,039
taken to a state mental hospital for
5163
03:17:29,760 --> 03:17:34,920
evaluation the last thing the state
5164
03:17:32,040 --> 03:17:36,660
wanted was an insanity defense the
5165
03:17:34,920 --> 03:17:38,700
public defender's office knew it would
5166
03:17:36,659 --> 03:17:40,200
be hard to defend the couple together so
5167
03:17:38,700 --> 03:17:42,840
they filed for a motion to have the
5168
03:17:40,200 --> 03:17:44,399
cases tried separately no one knew for
5169
03:17:42,840 --> 03:17:46,739
certain which direction the trial would
5170
03:17:44,398 --> 03:17:49,019
take but everyone suspected Faye would
5171
03:17:46,739 --> 03:17:51,059
have a better chance on her own the
5172
03:17:49,020 --> 03:17:52,859
prosecution was playing Hardball and
5173
03:17:51,059 --> 03:17:55,139
rather than life in prison they were
5174
03:17:52,859 --> 03:17:57,960
seeking the death penalty in both cases
5175
03:17:55,139 --> 03:18:00,719
Ray Copeland was born in Oklahoma during
5176
03:17:57,959 --> 03:18:03,778
1914 just as World War one was beginning
5177
03:18:00,719 --> 03:18:05,879
in Europe Rey's parents Jess and Laney
5178
03:18:03,779 --> 03:18:07,800
Copeland moved around frequently as he
5179
03:18:05,879 --> 03:18:11,398
was growing up and eventually settled in
5180
03:18:07,799 --> 03:18:13,318
Ozark Hills Arkansas by this time Rey's
5181
03:18:11,398 --> 03:18:15,659
mother had given birth to a daughter and
5182
03:18:13,318 --> 03:18:18,478
another son following the conflict in
5183
03:18:15,659 --> 03:18:20,579
Europe the Great Depression began in
5184
03:18:18,478 --> 03:18:23,159
order to survive every person had to
5185
03:18:20,579 --> 03:18:25,260
contribute to the family's survival Rey
5186
03:18:23,159 --> 03:18:27,180
was no exception and during his fourth
5187
03:18:25,260 --> 03:18:29,460
grade of schooling he dropped out to
5188
03:18:27,180 --> 03:18:31,380
help with a family's small farm little
5189
03:18:29,459 --> 03:18:33,299
is known about Rey's adolescent years
5190
03:18:31,379 --> 03:18:35,879
but friends of the family later
5191
03:18:33,299 --> 03:18:38,398
described him to Miller as stubborn and
5192
03:18:35,879 --> 03:18:40,858
insubordinate Rey's Life Of Crime
5193
03:18:38,398 --> 03:18:43,019
started at the age of 20 when he stole
5194
03:18:40,859 --> 03:18:44,460
two hogs from his father and sold them
5195
03:18:43,020 --> 03:18:47,159
in another town
5196
03:18:44,459 --> 03:18:49,379
father later found out but no formal
5197
03:18:47,159 --> 03:18:51,299
charges were ever filed for the next
5198
03:18:49,379 --> 03:18:54,000
several years Rey continued to commit
5199
03:18:51,299 --> 03:18:55,920
Petty thefts the majority of his illegal
5200
03:18:54,000 --> 03:18:58,079
activities revolved around the theft of
5201
03:18:55,920 --> 03:19:02,100
livestock but he eventually started to
5202
03:18:58,079 --> 03:19:04,439
commit more serious crimes in 1936 he
5203
03:19:02,100 --> 03:19:06,300
was arrested in Harrison Arkansas and
5204
03:19:04,439 --> 03:19:08,760
charged with forging government checks
5205
03:19:06,299 --> 03:19:11,099
he was later sentenced to one year in
5206
03:19:08,760 --> 03:19:13,260
the county jail after serving out his
5207
03:19:11,100 --> 03:19:15,659
sentence Rey moved back to his parents
5208
03:19:13,260 --> 03:19:17,880
Farm there's no public record of his
5209
03:19:15,659 --> 03:19:19,559
activities for the next three years so
5210
03:19:17,879 --> 03:19:22,199
he either managed to stay out of trouble
5211
03:19:19,559 --> 03:19:24,840
during this time or he was more careful
5212
03:19:22,200 --> 03:19:26,640
in the crimes he chose to commit things
5213
03:19:24,840 --> 03:19:29,639
began to look up for Rey during the
5214
03:19:26,639 --> 03:19:31,739
Spring of 1940. during a routine visit
5215
03:19:29,639 --> 03:19:34,379
to a physician's office he met a young
5216
03:19:31,739 --> 03:19:36,299
girl named Faye Della Wilson the
5217
03:19:34,379 --> 03:19:38,699
fair-haired 19 year old was the daughter
5218
03:19:36,299 --> 03:19:40,139
of Rufus and Gladys Wilson a
5219
03:19:38,700 --> 03:19:42,779
hard-working couple from Harrison
5220
03:19:40,139 --> 03:19:44,398
Arkansas Faye's parents had very little
5221
03:19:42,779 --> 03:19:46,380
money but they did manage to raise
5222
03:19:44,398 --> 03:19:49,019
raised seven children in a dirt floor
5223
03:19:46,379 --> 03:19:51,420
cabin Ray and Faye quickly hit it off
5224
03:19:49,020 --> 03:19:53,760
and less than six months later they were
5225
03:19:51,420 --> 03:19:55,739
married within a year of their nuptials
5226
03:19:53,760 --> 03:19:58,380
the couple had a boy whom they named
5227
03:19:55,739 --> 03:20:02,520
Everett two years later Faye gave birth
5228
03:19:58,379 --> 03:20:04,318
to another child Billy Ray in 1944 Rey
5229
03:20:02,520 --> 03:20:06,840
decided to move his growing family to
5230
03:20:04,318 --> 03:20:09,059
Fresno County California the following
5231
03:20:06,840 --> 03:20:12,600
year the couple's first and only girl
5232
03:20:09,059 --> 03:20:16,379
Betty Lou was born two years later in
5233
03:20:12,600 --> 03:20:19,859
1947 the couple's third son alvia was
5234
03:20:16,379 --> 03:20:22,500
born in 1949 Rey was accused of stealing
5235
03:20:19,859 --> 03:20:24,899
horses from a local farmer no charges
5236
03:20:22,500 --> 03:20:27,478
were filed but Rey's reputation was
5237
03:20:24,898 --> 03:20:29,760
severely damaged later that same year
5238
03:20:27,478 --> 03:20:33,000
Faye gave birth to the couple's fifth
5239
03:20:29,760 --> 03:20:35,279
child William Wayne due to suspected
5240
03:20:33,000 --> 03:20:37,500
horse thefts Rey was unable to find
5241
03:20:35,279 --> 03:20:40,200
Steady work so he eventually moved his
5242
03:20:37,500 --> 03:20:41,818
family back to Arkansas the Copelands
5243
03:20:40,200 --> 03:20:44,340
were in Arkansas for less than a month
5244
03:20:41,818 --> 03:20:46,439
when Rey was arrested for cattle theft
5245
03:20:44,340 --> 03:20:48,359
charged with grand larceny he was
5246
03:20:46,439 --> 03:20:51,059
convicted and sentenced to one year in
5247
03:20:48,359 --> 03:20:52,500
jail upon his release from prison Rey
5248
03:20:51,059 --> 03:20:55,199
moved his family to Rocky Comfort
5249
03:20:52,500 --> 03:20:58,978
Missouri the change in scenery did not
5250
03:20:55,200 --> 03:21:01,260
help and in 1951 Rey was again arrested
5251
03:20:58,978 --> 03:21:04,619
for cattle theft he was sentenced to
5252
03:21:01,260 --> 03:21:07,680
manual labor on the judge's Farm in 1953
5253
03:21:04,620 --> 03:21:09,840
Ray moved his family to Illinois over
5254
03:21:07,680 --> 03:21:12,239
the next eight years the Copelands moved
5255
03:21:09,840 --> 03:21:14,398
from town to town and Rey was arrested
5256
03:21:12,239 --> 03:21:17,100
on at least three separate occasions for
5257
03:21:14,398 --> 03:21:19,559
writing bad checks fines and jail time
5258
03:21:17,100 --> 03:21:23,040
did little to deter Rey and he continued
5259
03:21:19,559 --> 03:21:26,119
to dabble in illegal activities in 1961
5260
03:21:23,040 --> 03:21:29,460
Ray paid for 20 head of cattle with a
5261
03:21:26,120 --> 03:21:31,560
2960 check the seller soon discovered
5262
03:21:29,459 --> 03:21:33,539
the check was no good and Rey was
5263
03:21:31,559 --> 03:21:36,180
arrested and sentenced to nine months
5264
03:21:33,540 --> 03:21:38,819
behind bars directly after his release
5265
03:21:36,180 --> 03:21:41,398
Rey passed another bad check during the
5266
03:21:38,818 --> 03:21:43,318
purchase of 19 head of cattle he was
5267
03:21:41,398 --> 03:21:44,760
again arrested and sentenced to another
5268
03:21:43,318 --> 03:21:47,459
nine months in jail
5269
03:21:44,760 --> 03:21:49,260
after his last stint in jail Rey finally
5270
03:21:47,459 --> 03:21:51,778
came to the realization that something
5271
03:21:49,260 --> 03:21:53,818
needed to change he was spending more
5272
03:21:51,779 --> 03:21:56,819
time as a prisoner than he was a free
5273
03:21:53,818 --> 03:21:59,219
man unfortunately rather than change his
5274
03:21:56,818 --> 03:22:01,978
actions he ultimately decided he needed
5275
03:21:59,219 --> 03:22:04,379
to change his methods he needed to
5276
03:22:01,978 --> 03:22:06,239
formulate a new game plan and he decided
5277
03:22:04,379 --> 03:22:09,059
to go straight until he could figure out
5278
03:22:06,239 --> 03:22:11,398
the details during the summer of 1966
5279
03:22:09,059 --> 03:22:13,278
Rey decided it was time to move once
5280
03:22:11,398 --> 03:22:15,959
again and he took his family to Missouri
5281
03:22:13,279 --> 03:22:18,120
the following year the Copeland Clan
5282
03:22:15,959 --> 03:22:20,579
purchased a small farm with 40 acres of
5283
03:22:18,120 --> 03:22:22,560
land they paid six thousand dollars for
5284
03:22:20,579 --> 03:22:24,659
their new home which was located in
5285
03:22:22,559 --> 03:22:26,760
Mooresville Missouri they were in
5286
03:22:24,659 --> 03:22:28,619
desperate need of money so Faye took a
5287
03:22:26,760 --> 03:22:30,840
job at Midwest Quality gloves
5288
03:22:28,620 --> 03:22:32,760
Corporation over the course of the next
5289
03:22:30,840 --> 03:22:35,880
several years many of Rey's neighbors
5290
03:22:32,760 --> 03:22:37,800
began to loathe him they viewed him as a
5291
03:22:35,879 --> 03:22:39,719
penny-pinching old man and several
5292
03:22:37,799 --> 03:22:42,420
suspected he beat his wife and children
5293
03:22:39,719 --> 03:22:44,699
his wife and kids would verify these
5294
03:22:42,420 --> 03:22:47,100
suspicions many years later
5295
03:22:44,700 --> 03:22:49,260
Rey had a Keen Eye for cattle and he
5296
03:22:47,100 --> 03:22:51,600
knew a good deal when he saw one his
5297
03:22:49,260 --> 03:22:55,200
only problem was he never had any money
5298
03:22:51,600 --> 03:22:58,380
as the old saying goes it takes money to
5299
03:22:55,200 --> 03:23:00,540
make money so by the early 1970s Rey
5300
03:22:58,379 --> 03:23:02,818
began working out the details of his new
5301
03:23:00,540 --> 03:23:05,399
plan he knew he could not continue
5302
03:23:02,818 --> 03:23:07,439
writing bad checks he never got away
5303
03:23:05,398 --> 03:23:10,019
with it in the past and the last thing
5304
03:23:07,439 --> 03:23:12,238
he wanted was to be sent back to jail
5305
03:23:10,020 --> 03:23:14,279
his arrest record was long enough and
5306
03:23:12,238 --> 03:23:17,760
another arrest could send him away for a
5307
03:23:14,279 --> 03:23:20,040
substantial period of time no he knew he
5308
03:23:17,760 --> 03:23:21,779
could not risk doing that himself but
5309
03:23:20,040 --> 03:23:24,720
then he wondered if he could convince
5310
03:23:21,779 --> 03:23:26,939
someone else to do it for him someone no
5311
03:23:24,719 --> 03:23:30,000
one knew and someone who could disappear
5312
03:23:26,939 --> 03:23:32,159
without rousing any suspicion the plan
5313
03:23:30,000 --> 03:23:34,139
needed some work but he was certain he
5314
03:23:32,159 --> 03:23:37,020
had stumbled onto something feasible
5315
03:23:34,139 --> 03:23:38,519
once Rey worked out the details he began
5316
03:23:37,020 --> 03:23:40,979
showing up at cattle auctions with
5317
03:23:38,520 --> 03:23:42,540
hitchhikers and Drifters the two men
5318
03:23:40,978 --> 03:23:44,459
would sit on opposite sides of each
5319
03:23:42,540 --> 03:23:46,200
other during the sales and Rey would
5320
03:23:44,459 --> 03:23:48,839
signal whenever he wanted a particular
5321
03:23:46,200 --> 03:23:50,640
group of livestock when it came time to
5322
03:23:48,840 --> 03:23:52,380
complete the purchase Rey would have the
5323
03:23:50,639 --> 03:23:54,959
man write out a check from Rey's book
5324
03:23:52,379 --> 03:23:57,719
and sign his name to it the check would
5325
03:23:54,959 --> 03:24:00,000
eventually bounce but by then Rey would
5326
03:23:57,719 --> 03:24:01,500
already have sold the cattle when law
5327
03:24:00,000 --> 03:24:03,420
enforcement confronted him about the
5328
03:24:01,500 --> 03:24:04,978
checks Rey would pretend to have no
5329
03:24:03,420 --> 03:24:06,719
knowledge of the sales and would
5330
03:24:04,978 --> 03:24:08,760
Proclaim his innocence by pointing out
5331
03:24:06,719 --> 03:24:11,459
the signatures on the checks were not in
5332
03:24:08,760 --> 03:24:14,040
his handwriting hey events no charges
5333
03:24:11,459 --> 03:24:16,559
could be filed against him the scam was
5334
03:24:14,040 --> 03:24:18,899
not very sophisticated but surprisingly
5335
03:24:16,559 --> 03:24:20,939
he was able to pull it off dozens of
5336
03:24:18,898 --> 03:24:23,219
times Rey used several different
5337
03:24:20,939 --> 03:24:26,279
Drifters and all of them would disappear
5338
03:24:23,219 --> 03:24:29,278
after the sales Rey felt it formulated
5339
03:24:26,279 --> 03:24:30,659
the perfect plan but he did not count on
5340
03:24:29,279 --> 03:24:32,880
the determination of local law
5341
03:24:30,659 --> 03:24:35,100
enforcement to prove his involvement in
5342
03:24:32,879 --> 03:24:36,839
the cattle scams investigators
5343
03:24:35,100 --> 03:24:40,140
eventually caught up with one of The
5344
03:24:36,840 --> 03:24:41,880
Drifters the man Gerald Perkins was
5345
03:24:40,139 --> 03:24:43,680
cooperative with detectives and he
5346
03:24:41,879 --> 03:24:46,438
provided them with a detailed account of
5347
03:24:43,680 --> 03:24:48,659
Rey's schemes Rey was quickly arrested
5348
03:24:46,439 --> 03:24:51,238
and ended up serving almost two years in
5349
03:24:48,659 --> 03:24:53,639
jail for check forgery after his release
5350
03:24:51,238 --> 03:24:56,340
from prison Ray managed to stay out of
5351
03:24:53,639 --> 03:24:58,738
trouble for several years he still felt
5352
03:24:56,340 --> 03:25:01,620
his plan was successful if in need of
5353
03:24:58,738 --> 03:25:04,379
some minor adjustments by the mid-1980s
5354
03:25:01,620 --> 03:25:07,079
Rey had fine-tuned his last scheme and
5355
03:25:04,379 --> 03:25:08,759
was eagerly putting it into operation he
5356
03:25:07,079 --> 03:25:10,500
would still use Drifters the only
5357
03:25:08,760 --> 03:25:12,380
difference being he would not not have
5358
03:25:10,500 --> 03:25:14,639
them write checks from his account
5359
03:25:12,379 --> 03:25:16,920
instead he would have them get a post
5360
03:25:14,639 --> 03:25:18,840
office box and open an account in their
5361
03:25:16,920 --> 03:25:20,639
own name and have them write checks from
5362
03:25:18,840 --> 03:25:23,159
their own account at various livestock
5363
03:25:20,639 --> 03:25:25,019
auctions Rey would explain this to them
5364
03:25:23,159 --> 03:25:27,840
by saying the auctioneers disliked him
5365
03:25:25,020 --> 03:25:29,939
and would not give him a fair shake once
5366
03:25:27,840 --> 03:25:32,279
The Drifter wore out his welcome Rey
5367
03:25:29,939 --> 03:25:35,939
would see to it that he disappeared for
5368
03:25:32,279 --> 03:25:38,640
good on November 1st 1990 69 year old
5369
03:25:35,939 --> 03:25:39,720
Faye Copeland went to trial according to
5370
03:25:38,639 --> 03:25:42,299
articles in the Saint Louis
5371
03:25:39,719 --> 03:25:43,619
Post-Dispatch face defense was that her
5372
03:25:42,299 --> 03:25:46,199
husband had committed the killings
5373
03:25:43,620 --> 03:25:48,359
without her knowledge she claimed she
5374
03:25:46,200 --> 03:25:50,819
was both a bystander and a victim of
5375
03:25:48,359 --> 03:25:52,979
battered woman syndrome as evidence of
5376
03:25:50,818 --> 03:25:55,139
her guilt prosecutors presented the list
5377
03:25:52,978 --> 03:25:57,599
and quilt discovered during a search of
5378
03:25:55,139 --> 03:26:00,358
the farm the jury found her guilty of
5379
03:25:57,600 --> 03:26:02,220
five counts of first-degree murder the
5380
03:26:00,359 --> 03:26:04,439
judge sentenced her to death by lethal
5381
03:26:02,219 --> 03:26:06,599
injection for four of the counts and
5382
03:26:04,439 --> 03:26:08,579
life without parole for the fifth upon
5383
03:26:06,600 --> 03:26:11,399
hearing her sentence Faye Copeland
5384
03:26:08,579 --> 03:26:13,680
sobbed uncontrolled probably the morning
5385
03:26:11,398 --> 03:26:15,000
after phase verdict a sheriff involved
5386
03:26:13,680 --> 03:26:17,100
in the case was transporting Ray
5387
03:26:15,000 --> 03:26:19,439
Copeland to a Kansas City Hospital for
5388
03:26:17,100 --> 03:26:21,540
another mental examination during the
5389
03:26:19,439 --> 03:26:23,939
trip the sheriff began questioning Rey
5390
03:26:21,540 --> 03:26:27,899
about Faye's trial you hear about the
5391
03:26:23,939 --> 03:26:29,279
verdict Ray now what happened well they
5392
03:26:27,898 --> 03:26:32,579
found her guilty and recommended
5393
03:26:29,279 --> 03:26:36,060
execution for her Ray well those things
5394
03:26:32,579 --> 03:26:39,379
happen to some you know he responded Rey
5395
03:26:36,059 --> 03:26:42,898
never asked about Faye again on March 7
5396
03:26:39,379 --> 03:26:45,478
1991 76 year old Ray Copeland went to
5397
03:26:42,898 --> 03:26:46,858
trial after weeks of testimony and the
5398
03:26:45,478 --> 03:26:49,079
admittance of the prosecution's
5399
03:26:46,859 --> 03:26:51,000
ballistic test results a jury of his
5400
03:26:49,079 --> 03:26:53,279
peers found him guilty on all five
5401
03:26:51,000 --> 03:26:55,079
counts of first-degree murder he was
5402
03:26:53,279 --> 03:26:57,899
then sentenced to death by lethal
5403
03:26:55,079 --> 03:27:00,180
injection upon hearing the verdict Rey
5404
03:26:57,898 --> 03:27:02,579
simply mumbled I'm okay
5405
03:27:00,180 --> 03:27:04,380
Ray and Faye Copeland became the oldest
5406
03:27:02,579 --> 03:27:06,959
couple in American history ever
5407
03:27:04,379 --> 03:27:08,818
sentenced to death two years later while
5408
03:27:06,959 --> 03:27:11,039
awaiting execution at the Potosi
5409
03:27:08,818 --> 03:27:13,738
Correctional Center 78 year old Ray
5410
03:27:11,040 --> 03:27:15,300
Copeland died to this day many
5411
03:27:13,738 --> 03:27:17,398
investigators believe Rey was
5412
03:27:15,299 --> 03:27:20,699
responsible for other murders which have
5413
03:27:17,398 --> 03:27:23,039
yet to be discovered on August 6 1999
5414
03:27:20,700 --> 03:27:25,140
U.S District Judge Orchard Smith
5415
03:27:23,040 --> 03:27:27,300
overturned the death sentence for 78
5416
03:27:25,139 --> 03:27:29,639
year old Faye Copeland Faye's attorney
5417
03:27:27,299 --> 03:27:31,858
was quoted by the Columbia Daily Tribune
5418
03:27:29,639 --> 03:27:34,318
as saying the evidence of phased guilt
5419
03:27:31,859 --> 03:27:36,359
was pretty thin they just happened to be
5420
03:27:34,318 --> 03:27:39,299
there she worked in the greenhouse at
5421
03:27:36,359 --> 03:27:42,000
the prison every day she wouldn't hurt a
5422
03:27:39,299 --> 03:27:43,799
fly I think you can ask the warden and
5423
03:27:42,000 --> 03:27:45,379
he would say he could open the door and
5424
03:27:43,799 --> 03:27:47,938
there wouldn't be a danger to anybody
5425
03:27:45,379 --> 03:27:49,500
Faye's attorney filed the appeal because
5426
03:27:47,939 --> 03:27:51,120
the Livingston County jury that
5427
03:27:49,500 --> 03:27:52,920
convicted her was not allowed to hear
5428
03:27:51,120 --> 03:27:55,079
evidence of battered women's syndrome
5429
03:27:52,920 --> 03:27:57,000
even though the death penalty was no
5430
03:27:55,079 --> 03:27:58,978
longer an issue the judge allowed her
5431
03:27:57,000 --> 03:28:00,898
murder convictions to stand and she was
5432
03:27:58,978 --> 03:28:03,000
ordered to remain in prison for the rest
5433
03:28:00,898 --> 03:28:04,379
of her life several women's activist
5434
03:28:03,000 --> 03:28:06,420
groups began to protest phase
5435
03:28:04,379 --> 03:28:08,579
imprisonment claiming she had suffered
5436
03:28:06,420 --> 03:28:11,159
enough and that she presented no threat
5437
03:28:08,579 --> 03:28:13,559
to society but their requests to commute
5438
03:28:11,159 --> 03:28:16,139
her sentence to time served fell upon
5439
03:28:13,559 --> 03:28:18,359
deaf ears two weeks after her sentencing
5440
03:28:16,139 --> 03:28:20,219
Faye Copeland gave a rare interview to
5441
03:28:18,359 --> 03:28:22,620
Lee Kavanaugh of the Kansas City Star
5442
03:28:20,219 --> 03:28:25,139
the following are excerpts from that
5443
03:28:22,620 --> 03:28:27,779
interview I couldn't have flowers at
5444
03:28:25,139 --> 03:28:30,778
home he didn't like me to be tending to
5445
03:28:27,779 --> 03:28:32,939
anything other than him as long as I was
5446
03:28:30,779 --> 03:28:37,680
with him or working the cattle or the
5447
03:28:32,939 --> 03:28:40,620
tractor that was okay but flowers no he
5448
03:28:37,680 --> 03:28:43,439
didn't like them I was raised to love my
5449
03:28:40,620 --> 03:28:46,560
husband and support him no matter what
5450
03:28:43,439 --> 03:28:49,260
the man is the head of the family the
5451
03:28:46,559 --> 03:28:51,539
Bible says it should be that way it
5452
03:28:49,260 --> 03:28:55,380
wouldn't do to say if Rey was mean to me
5453
03:28:51,540 --> 03:28:57,239
or not yes he did mess up my life but
5454
03:28:55,379 --> 03:29:00,119
that's not to say that I wasn't a good
5455
03:28:57,238 --> 03:29:02,939
wife to him I was never mean to him
5456
03:29:00,120 --> 03:29:04,800
maybe we'd have got along better if I'd
5457
03:29:02,939 --> 03:29:08,398
knock the out of him a few times
5458
03:29:04,799 --> 03:29:11,579
I've often thought since maybe this was
5459
03:29:08,398 --> 03:29:14,278
for the best where did I go wrong if I
5460
03:29:11,579 --> 03:29:17,159
went wrong I know one place was getting
5461
03:29:14,279 --> 03:29:20,640
married at all but he was my life for
5462
03:29:17,159 --> 03:29:24,238
many many years I didn't know anything
5463
03:29:20,639 --> 03:29:28,619
else will I get out I may go out feet
5464
03:29:24,238 --> 03:29:31,318
first but I'll get out of here someday
5465
03:29:28,620 --> 03:29:34,200
in November of 2000 Missouri attorney
5466
03:29:31,318 --> 03:29:36,238
general Jay Nixon appealed judge Smith's
5467
03:29:34,200 --> 03:29:38,579
ruling and asked the eighth Circuit
5468
03:29:36,238 --> 03:29:40,859
Court of Appeals to reinstate Faye's
5469
03:29:38,579 --> 03:29:43,500
death sentence but the federal appeals
5470
03:29:40,859 --> 03:29:45,659
court upheld the decision they remained
5471
03:29:43,500 --> 03:29:47,639
quiet during most of the proceedings but
5472
03:29:45,659 --> 03:29:50,879
when asked if she had anything to say
5473
03:29:47,639 --> 03:29:53,939
she stood up stating at that hearing I
5474
03:29:50,879 --> 03:29:56,879
think I've paid for what I did or what I
5475
03:29:53,939 --> 03:30:01,318
knew God will forgive me for anything
5476
03:29:56,879 --> 03:30:03,358
I've said or done afterward face son Al
5477
03:30:01,318 --> 03:30:05,459
Copeland spoke briefly with the
5478
03:30:03,359 --> 03:30:07,260
Associated Press and said he had been
5479
03:30:05,459 --> 03:30:09,659
pressing for his mother's release since
5480
03:30:07,260 --> 03:30:11,340
she was imprisoned there's no way in the
5481
03:30:09,659 --> 03:30:14,100
world mom could have done what they said
5482
03:30:11,340 --> 03:30:17,700
she had done he said but in regards to
5483
03:30:14,100 --> 03:30:20,340
his father Al said he was guilty I have
5484
03:30:17,700 --> 03:30:22,680
no qualms about that the following month
5485
03:30:20,340 --> 03:30:25,260
Tom and Janette block founders of
5486
03:30:22,680 --> 03:30:27,898
missourians against State killing or
5487
03:30:25,260 --> 03:30:30,359
mask began fighting to have Fey released
5488
03:30:27,898 --> 03:30:31,978
from prison they desperately sought The
5489
03:30:30,359 --> 03:30:34,559
public's help and requested that people
5490
03:30:31,978 --> 03:30:36,478
send letters of support for Faye during
5491
03:30:34,559 --> 03:30:38,398
this time this author contacted the
5492
03:30:36,478 --> 03:30:41,039
group and later received the following
5493
03:30:38,398 --> 03:30:42,898
reply while we're grateful that Faye is
5494
03:30:41,040 --> 03:30:44,580
out of danger of execution we're
5495
03:30:42,898 --> 03:30:46,799
disappointed that she will remain in
5496
03:30:44,579 --> 03:30:48,600
prison for the rest of her life we have
5497
03:30:46,799 --> 03:30:50,759
an application for clemency pending
5498
03:30:48,600 --> 03:30:53,100
before Governor Wilson asking that he
5499
03:30:50,760 --> 03:30:55,620
commute her sentence to time served I've
5500
03:30:53,100 --> 03:30:57,420
attached a copy of the petition anyone
5501
03:30:55,620 --> 03:30:59,220
interested in helping could write and
5502
03:30:57,420 --> 03:31:02,579
urge the governor to grant our petition
5503
03:30:59,219 --> 03:31:05,398
thanks for your support Sean D O'Brien
5504
03:31:02,579 --> 03:31:08,520
public interest litigation clinic on
5505
03:31:05,398 --> 03:31:10,019
August 10 2002 Faye Copeland suffered a
5506
03:31:08,520 --> 03:31:12,720
stroke which left her partially
5507
03:31:10,020 --> 03:31:14,819
paralyzed and unable to speak weeks
5508
03:31:12,719 --> 03:31:17,519
later she was paroled to a nursing home
5509
03:31:14,818 --> 03:31:20,699
in her hometown the following year on
5510
03:31:17,520 --> 03:31:22,738
December 30th 2003 82 year old Faye
5511
03:31:20,700 --> 03:31:24,899
Copeland died at the Morningside Center
5512
03:31:22,738 --> 03:31:27,478
Nursing home from what Livingston County
5513
03:31:24,898 --> 03:31:30,778
Coroner's Scott Lindsay described as
5514
03:31:27,478 --> 03:31:35,599
natural causes they finally gain freedom
5515
03:31:30,779 --> 03:31:35,600
even if it was beat first
5516
03:31:38,010 --> 03:31:41,969
[Music]
5517
03:31:40,079 --> 03:32:22,238
foreign
5518
03:31:41,969 --> 03:32:22,238
[Music]
5519
03:32:25,279 --> 03:32:37,299
thank you
5520
03:32:27,120 --> 03:32:37,299
[Music]
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