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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Watch Online Movies and Series for FREE www.osdb.link/lm 2 00:00:13,030 --> 00:00:16,450 (Diane Fanning) Here's a crime that hasn't been solved for decades. 3 00:00:16,490 --> 00:00:19,320 It's there, it's constant, 4 00:00:19,370 --> 00:00:23,160 it's part of your fabric of life. 5 00:00:26,460 --> 00:00:30,130 Does that compel more violent acts to occur? 6 00:00:30,170 --> 00:00:31,840 (Mark Reinig) Since Ken's death, 7 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,170 we've had a lot of tragedies in the town 8 00:00:34,210 --> 00:00:37,760 that is unusual for a rural American town. 9 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,850 (Fanning) Skidmore is so haunted 10 00:00:41,890 --> 00:00:44,970 that it permeates their culture 11 00:00:45,020 --> 00:00:47,730 and makes violence more likely. 12 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,190 (male reporter) Since 2001, folks here in Skidmore 13 00:00:52,230 --> 00:00:54,440 have lived with a big question on their minds: 14 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:56,780 What happened to one of their own? 15 00:00:56,820 --> 00:00:59,610 (James Klino) Branson went to the shed to return some jumper cables, 16 00:00:59,660 --> 00:01:02,620 and, at that point, was not seen from thereafter. 17 00:01:02,660 --> 00:01:04,740 (Marty Small) Branson, you know, he had a lot of potential in life. 18 00:01:04,790 --> 00:01:06,750 Growin' up, I used to go over to his house. 19 00:01:06,790 --> 00:01:09,000 (Reinig) It's just one of those things we sit there and go, 20 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:10,710 "Why is this happening?" 21 00:01:10,750 --> 00:01:12,790 (Ben Espey) Branson was no innocent young kid 22 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,920 that somebody just walked up and shot they didn't even know. 23 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:18,010 Branson was totally involved 24 00:01:18,050 --> 00:01:20,510 with fixin' and makin' methamphetamine. 25 00:01:20,550 --> 00:01:22,850 We know exactly what's happened. 26 00:01:22,890 --> 00:01:24,640 We know who was involved. 27 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,270 And I can tell you right now, they were from Skidmore. 28 00:01:27,310 --> 00:01:28,850 (Steve Booher) Nobody saw anything, 29 00:01:28,890 --> 00:01:30,770 nobody overheard anything, 30 00:01:30,810 --> 00:01:33,020 but make no mistake about this, 31 00:01:33,060 --> 00:01:36,440 just like in the murder of Ken Rex McElroy, 32 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,240 somebody knows. 33 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,110 (♪) 34 00:02:45,090 --> 00:02:48,010 (Kirby Goslee) Being a farmer is so many, many things. 35 00:02:48,060 --> 00:02:51,230 It's changing so very, very fast. 36 00:02:53,310 --> 00:02:57,900 But the root part of being a farmer, for me, 37 00:02:57,940 --> 00:03:00,610 it's a great sense of satisfaction 38 00:03:00,650 --> 00:03:03,490 that you've weathered the elements, 39 00:03:03,530 --> 00:03:06,320 you've got rid of the weeds, 40 00:03:06,370 --> 00:03:08,330 you get to work outside, 41 00:03:08,370 --> 00:03:11,250 you're close to nature and God. 42 00:03:12,660 --> 00:03:16,040 That's just basic life on this earth. 43 00:03:18,290 --> 00:03:21,840 I enjoyed it growing up and I enjoyed it as a man. 44 00:03:26,590 --> 00:03:29,430 (Espey) I graduated out of high school in 1971, 45 00:03:29,470 --> 00:03:31,350 and I always thought then I'd kind like to be 46 00:03:31,390 --> 00:03:34,520 in law enforcement and maybe be a highway patrolman. 47 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,480 They drove nice cars, 48 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,110 dressed nice 49 00:03:40,150 --> 00:03:42,230 and they was well respected. 50 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,030 I loved doin' my job. 51 00:03:45,070 --> 00:03:47,200 But if somebody called-- and I didn't care 52 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,280 what time of day or night it was-- 53 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,160 if they wanted me to come and protect them from somebody, 54 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:53,450 that's what I was there for. 55 00:03:55,370 --> 00:03:56,870 (David Baird) When I became prosecutor, 56 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,580 I didn't want to be prosecutor. 57 00:03:58,630 --> 00:04:01,750 I was the newest and youngest attorney in town, 58 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,010 and they contacted me and said, 59 00:04:04,050 --> 00:04:06,130 "Would you serve as prosecutor?" 60 00:04:06,180 --> 00:04:08,510 So I went and got sage advice from my father, 61 00:04:08,550 --> 00:04:11,810 who had lived here a long time, and said, "What do you think?" 62 00:04:11,850 --> 00:04:13,890 And his quote was, 63 00:04:13,930 --> 00:04:15,560 "Go ahead and take it. 64 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,520 "It'll be good experience for a couple years. 65 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,480 "And besides, nothing ever exciting ever happens 66 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,940 in Nodaway County anyway." 67 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,990 (Goslee) I let my daughter have our home place 68 00:04:29,030 --> 00:04:31,160 to raise her two boys. 69 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,370 You know, that's my gift to her. 70 00:04:33,410 --> 00:04:35,500 And my grandsons. 71 00:04:35,540 --> 00:04:37,960 That's the thing to do, you pass it on. 72 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:40,540 (Small) As a kid, 73 00:04:40,580 --> 00:04:42,460 I knew I was gonna be a soldier. 74 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,260 I knew that it more important 75 00:04:45,300 --> 00:04:46,880 to take care of the people around me, 76 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,340 because that's the way I was raised. 77 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,390 Shakespeare said, "All the world's a stage. 78 00:04:51,430 --> 00:04:52,640 All I am is a player." 79 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,390 You have to understand your role. 80 00:04:54,430 --> 00:04:56,810 And we all pick our own roles. 81 00:04:56,850 --> 00:04:58,690 Well, in some cases, you get thrown into your role, 82 00:04:58,730 --> 00:05:00,100 and you get stuck. 83 00:05:01,690 --> 00:05:03,480 Branson was a good kid. 84 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,610 He was one of those people that, 85 00:05:05,650 --> 00:05:07,820 if he'd have made different decisions in life, 86 00:05:07,860 --> 00:05:10,360 he could've done a lot of great things. 87 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,200 (Fanning) Branson was kind of a shy boy. 88 00:05:16,250 --> 00:05:18,870 Blue eyes, blonde hair, 89 00:05:18,910 --> 00:05:21,330 and he had that baby face that made him look 90 00:05:21,380 --> 00:05:23,920 a lot younger than his years. 91 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,460 His parents got divorced 92 00:05:26,510 --> 00:05:28,840 when he was a small kid. 93 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,590 (Klino) He liked snakes, reptiles and things. 94 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,600 And he liked his artifact collection. 95 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,470 (Small) I tried to spend time with him as much as I could. 96 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,390 As we get older, you start to drift apart. 97 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,020 And it's truly unfortunate, 'cause I do think 98 00:05:42,060 --> 00:05:43,980 he's a great kid. 99 00:05:44,020 --> 00:05:45,900 It's about life choices. 100 00:05:45,940 --> 00:05:47,360 But ultimately, he made the choice 101 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:48,780 and go do what he was gonna do, 102 00:05:48,820 --> 00:05:50,700 and it came back to haunt him. 103 00:05:52,530 --> 00:05:53,780 I think the family still has a hard time 104 00:05:53,820 --> 00:05:55,580 coming to terms with that. 105 00:05:55,620 --> 00:05:57,700 And it's horrible that they had to go through 106 00:05:57,740 --> 00:05:59,370 what they went through. 107 00:05:59,410 --> 00:06:02,420 You live with the fear that the worst has happened, 108 00:06:02,460 --> 00:06:04,840 but you pray for the best. 109 00:06:07,210 --> 00:06:09,170 (Small) The big part of gettin' through 110 00:06:09,210 --> 00:06:11,840 hard things in life is hope. 111 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,930 We've heard about hope. 112 00:06:15,100 --> 00:06:16,970 Some people's hope is religion 113 00:06:17,010 --> 00:06:18,720 and faith. 114 00:06:20,390 --> 00:06:22,230 Some people's hope is love. 115 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,810 If there's no hope, at the end, 116 00:06:25,860 --> 00:06:28,610 then what's there to live for? 117 00:06:28,650 --> 00:06:30,570 It was a little more than eight years ago 118 00:06:30,610 --> 00:06:32,610 when Branson Perry vanished from his hometown 119 00:06:32,650 --> 00:06:35,070 in western Nodaway County, and this weekend, authorities 120 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,950 honed in on a farm in that area, hoping to uncover 121 00:06:37,990 --> 00:06:40,370 clues as to what happened to Branson. 122 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,210 There's one true story 123 00:06:47,250 --> 00:06:49,250 to Branson Perry's case. 124 00:06:50,260 --> 00:06:51,720 (male reporter) In 2001, 125 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,260 Perry, who was 20, 126 00:06:53,300 --> 00:06:55,180 vanished from outside his home. 127 00:06:55,220 --> 00:06:57,300 Signs from across the area are giving the message out 128 00:06:57,350 --> 00:06:59,890 about this missing man, but still, there have been 129 00:06:59,930 --> 00:07:02,600 no signs of Branson himself. 130 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,860 (Espey) Branson Perry's case led us into the drug scene. 131 00:07:06,900 --> 00:07:09,270 (Booher) During a time of his disappearance, 132 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,570 there was an active drug culture 133 00:07:11,610 --> 00:07:14,360 in rural northwest Missouri. 134 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:18,160 (Britt Small) At that time, when you hear of a house blowing up, 135 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,120 very frequently, it was a meth lab explosion. 136 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,290 They do happen. 137 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:25,920 (Leona Hayes) Ben Espey, 138 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:27,710 he was a pretty good sheriff to have been trusted. 139 00:07:27,750 --> 00:07:29,290 Pretty good. 140 00:07:30,630 --> 00:07:33,590 Back then, Skidmore was full of drugs, 141 00:07:33,630 --> 00:07:37,010 and he was thinnin' 'em out in this town pretty good. 142 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,390 (Espey) We developed drug enforcement agencies, 143 00:07:41,430 --> 00:07:43,310 that that's all they did. 144 00:07:43,350 --> 00:07:47,440 Their whole job was to go out and find these young kids, 145 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,520 follow them, film them, and we would bust their labs 146 00:07:50,570 --> 00:07:51,980 where they was makin' it. 147 00:07:53,820 --> 00:07:57,200 Several people were taken, put on a polygraph, 148 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,450 and asked questions about, "Were you there?" 149 00:07:59,490 --> 00:08:01,450 "What do you know?" 150 00:08:01,490 --> 00:08:03,660 Then we started puttin' things together. 151 00:08:05,500 --> 00:08:07,710 Branson was totally involved 152 00:08:07,750 --> 00:08:09,790 with fixin' and makin' methamphetamine. 153 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:11,840 Part of Branson's job 154 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,420 was to supply the ingredients 155 00:08:13,460 --> 00:08:15,510 to make the drugs. 156 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,680 Branson somehow had gotten in some kind of trouble 157 00:08:24,730 --> 00:08:26,730 with an officer, 158 00:08:26,770 --> 00:08:29,150 and, I think, what happened is that 159 00:08:29,190 --> 00:08:33,110 the kingpin of several different people that would meet 160 00:08:33,150 --> 00:08:36,030 thought that Branson would talk. 161 00:08:36,070 --> 00:08:38,490 (♪) 162 00:08:40,990 --> 00:08:42,910 I can tell you right now, there was nine people 163 00:08:42,950 --> 00:08:44,910 involved in that case. 164 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,290 And we knew, all of us knew, 165 00:08:48,330 --> 00:08:51,710 who the nine players were that were involved in it, 166 00:08:51,750 --> 00:08:54,170 who the person was that pulled the trigger. 167 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,800 (male reporter) Investigators say a tip came into them 168 00:09:02,850 --> 00:09:06,560 about two weeks ago that Branson could be buried here 169 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,560 in Quintmet. 170 00:09:11,150 --> 00:09:13,230 (male officer) The information that we received in this case 171 00:09:13,270 --> 00:09:14,690 we felt was very credible 172 00:09:14,730 --> 00:09:17,070 and that we certainly needed to act on it. 173 00:09:18,740 --> 00:09:22,280 (Espey) Two of the people involved showed us on a map 174 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,620 where they thought that they'd buried Branson. 175 00:09:27,830 --> 00:09:30,750 Both people were interrogated separately, 176 00:09:30,790 --> 00:09:34,170 both people showed us the same place on the map. 177 00:09:34,210 --> 00:09:36,090 (male reporter) They combed these empty fields 178 00:09:36,130 --> 00:09:38,420 and the area near these old grain beds. 179 00:09:38,470 --> 00:09:40,760 A canine unit from North Carolina 180 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,470 even joined this search. 181 00:09:42,510 --> 00:09:43,890 We turned the dogs loose and we cover 182 00:09:43,930 --> 00:09:47,100 about a two-mile area. 183 00:09:47,140 --> 00:09:50,390 (Klino) These dogs kept hittin' this one spot pretty hard. 184 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,440 So they took the dogs a mile away, 185 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,190 and walked 'em back towards there, 186 00:09:55,230 --> 00:09:56,980 and they hit the spot again. 187 00:09:57,940 --> 00:09:59,860 (Espey) Nine of the ten dogs 188 00:09:59,900 --> 00:10:03,030 hit on exactly the same place. 189 00:10:03,070 --> 00:10:04,740 (male reporter) Clues to what happened to him 190 00:10:04,780 --> 00:10:06,830 my still lie beneath this dirt. 191 00:10:06,870 --> 00:10:09,290 We found some items that we feel has substantiated 192 00:10:09,330 --> 00:10:10,750 the information that was given to us. 193 00:10:10,790 --> 00:10:13,830 So we feel that we're on the right track. 194 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,420 (Espey) When they was diggin' right where the dogs hit, 195 00:10:16,460 --> 00:10:18,760 the earth underneath the ground 196 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,130 was different. 197 00:10:20,970 --> 00:10:22,590 So what that told me is, 198 00:10:22,630 --> 00:10:26,260 the body probably had been buried there, 199 00:10:26,300 --> 00:10:27,970 but it had been removed. 200 00:10:29,770 --> 00:10:32,310 We have a case, we don't have a body. 201 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,820 I suspect that's when the heat got on 202 00:10:36,860 --> 00:10:38,570 and law enforcement got a little too close, 203 00:10:38,610 --> 00:10:41,700 I think they dug the body up and put it somewhere else. 204 00:10:44,660 --> 00:10:47,120 Ultimately, at the end, 205 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:51,120 our investigation led us to that house 206 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:52,790 where Branson Perry was shot. 207 00:10:54,460 --> 00:10:56,630 (Klino) Unfortunately, the house burned 208 00:10:56,670 --> 00:10:59,050 before the investigation got 209 00:10:59,090 --> 00:11:01,340 to see if there was any evidence in the home. 210 00:11:03,220 --> 00:11:05,050 No evidence was found. 211 00:11:07,260 --> 00:11:10,720 The disappearance of Branson is like the bully case-- 212 00:11:10,770 --> 00:11:13,180 there's a lot more out there that is known 213 00:11:13,230 --> 00:11:16,190 that people are not talking about. 214 00:11:16,230 --> 00:11:19,230 They're a small town, they're all close knit. 215 00:11:19,270 --> 00:11:20,940 They don't want to open their mouths. 216 00:11:20,980 --> 00:11:22,740 They're afraid of retaliation. 217 00:11:22,780 --> 00:11:25,280 (Becky Klino) People say that they're afraid 218 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,370 to mention something 219 00:11:27,410 --> 00:11:29,990 because they're afraid for their own safety. 220 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,870 And I don't understand, because how could they be 221 00:11:33,910 --> 00:11:36,630 so afraid of something that is causing 222 00:11:36,670 --> 00:11:38,590 somebody else so much pain? 223 00:11:40,250 --> 00:11:42,590 (Hayes) A lot of people in town wouldn't talk 224 00:11:42,630 --> 00:11:44,840 because, in this town, 225 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,050 you'll get killed for tellin' the truth. 226 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,560 Nearly 10 years ago, Branson Perry disappeared 227 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,310 from his Skidmore home. 228 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,650 Law enforcement says leads are more valuable 229 00:12:00,690 --> 00:12:04,190 than ever in the case and tips continue to come in. 230 00:12:06,820 --> 00:12:08,660 (Randy Strong) We are still working the disappearance 231 00:12:08,700 --> 00:12:10,330 of Branson Perry. 232 00:12:10,370 --> 00:12:12,370 That case, I have open. 233 00:12:12,410 --> 00:12:15,830 We are actively pursuing that case. 234 00:12:17,420 --> 00:12:19,130 There is an underbelly of people 235 00:12:19,170 --> 00:12:21,960 that live there that they're involved in the drug culture. 236 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,380 We believed him to be a homicide victim at this time, 237 00:12:25,420 --> 00:12:28,680 but his body has yet to be recovered. 238 00:12:30,010 --> 00:12:32,310 (Hayes) They'll never find the boy. 239 00:12:32,350 --> 00:12:34,930 To me, I think that's the closure of that one, 240 00:12:34,980 --> 00:12:37,390 because the FBI has come in and everything 241 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,440 and they couldn't find nothing. 242 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,530 (Marty Small) Now, his body was never found. 243 00:12:44,570 --> 00:12:48,030 I mean, there's been no official report of his death. 244 00:12:48,070 --> 00:12:51,570 What they speculate happened is the body had been cut up, 245 00:12:51,620 --> 00:12:55,450 and then dispersed in a body of water. 246 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,870 The way law enforcement finds things now 247 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:00,460 is you find big chunks, you find a whole arm, 248 00:13:00,500 --> 00:13:02,250 you find a whole body. 249 00:13:02,290 --> 00:13:04,050 Little tiny pieces of things that are chopped up 250 00:13:04,090 --> 00:13:06,010 are really difficult to find. 251 00:13:06,050 --> 00:13:08,470 So they didn't have any of the normal physical evidence 252 00:13:08,510 --> 00:13:10,720 of the murder. 253 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,430 (female reporter) So far, all tips have led to dead ends, 254 00:13:13,470 --> 00:13:15,310 but the case remains active, 255 00:13:15,350 --> 00:13:16,810 as those involved hope 256 00:13:16,850 --> 00:13:18,440 for what they've been waiting for 257 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,060 since he first went missing 258 00:13:20,100 --> 00:13:21,940 in April 2001. 259 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,030 Those close to the case are pushing forward, 260 00:13:26,070 --> 00:13:28,740 still determined to find answers. 261 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,450 (Espey) The sheriff and the chief of police 262 00:13:32,490 --> 00:13:34,740 and the highway patrol, we don't file charges, we can't. 263 00:13:34,780 --> 00:13:36,750 It's up to the prosecuting attorney 264 00:13:36,790 --> 00:13:38,910 to file a charge on a case. 265 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,000 And that's the reason that Branson Perry 266 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,670 is still pending. 267 00:13:44,540 --> 00:13:48,510 Back then, prosecuting attorney was David Baird. 268 00:13:48,550 --> 00:13:52,680 Obviously, David decided that he didn't have enough. 269 00:13:54,510 --> 00:13:56,220 (Baird) My focus has never been, 270 00:13:56,260 --> 00:13:57,850 "Gosh, I wish I had this," 271 00:13:57,890 --> 00:13:59,560 or "Boy, wouldn't it be great to have that," 272 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,810 because that's not what reality is. 273 00:14:03,150 --> 00:14:04,650 The role of prosecutor is 274 00:14:04,690 --> 00:14:06,570 that we are not to file charges until 275 00:14:06,610 --> 00:14:08,650 we are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt 276 00:14:08,690 --> 00:14:11,780 that a particular individual committed a particular crime. 277 00:14:13,110 --> 00:14:14,660 (Baird) Before we file charges, 278 00:14:14,700 --> 00:14:16,580 we want to make sure we have that evidence. 279 00:14:16,620 --> 00:14:18,870 We do not simply take someone to trial for the purpose 280 00:14:18,910 --> 00:14:21,370 of taking someone to trial to get the case over with. 281 00:14:22,370 --> 00:14:24,040 (Espey) Everything is there. 282 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,960 Because when I left, everything was there. 283 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,970 That's the deal: the prosecutor is kind of like God. 284 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,260 He has enough to file. 285 00:14:34,300 --> 00:14:37,220 But if he decides he's not gonna file, 286 00:14:37,260 --> 00:14:39,470 then it never goes in front of a judge. 287 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,440 When you're the sheriff of the county, you feel like 288 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,900 whatever crimes are committed, you carry 'em with you. 289 00:14:47,940 --> 00:14:50,150 And you never get rid of 'em. 290 00:14:50,190 --> 00:14:52,860 (Tom Carneal) It's a terrible thing for the family, 291 00:14:52,900 --> 00:14:56,700 when you never know for sure-- it's like, "Is he coming home?" 292 00:15:09,340 --> 00:15:13,050 (Reinig) The signs are fading and starting to fall in. 293 00:15:14,300 --> 00:15:15,550 It's just kind of the ruminants 294 00:15:15,590 --> 00:15:18,510 and the memorial to a child 295 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,220 that disappeared. 296 00:15:21,270 --> 00:15:24,520 (male reporter) This Skidmore cemetery backs up to the Stinnett home. 297 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,270 Family members say they can't bear the thought 298 00:15:27,310 --> 00:15:29,190 of preparing for yet another funeral. 299 00:15:29,230 --> 00:15:32,190 I asked my mom, I said, "Why are we burying our children 300 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,820 instead of our parents?" 301 00:15:34,860 --> 00:15:37,450 Our plots are all full of our children. 302 00:15:38,450 --> 00:15:39,990 (Reinig) Needless to say, 303 00:15:40,030 --> 00:15:42,370 Bob and Becky had a hard time. 304 00:15:43,910 --> 00:15:46,540 And Bob eventually moved out of town. 305 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:55,260 When he passed away, 306 00:15:55,300 --> 00:15:57,590 I think that he died of a broken heart. 307 00:16:02,270 --> 00:16:06,480 In your heart, where do you think Branson is? 308 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,730 I have to keep believin' he's alive. 309 00:16:08,770 --> 00:16:11,270 I can't go the other side yet. 310 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,150 I can't go that way. I can't give up hope. 311 00:16:16,610 --> 00:16:19,320 She prayed to God every day for answers. 312 00:16:20,910 --> 00:16:23,660 Like any mother would want to do for their own child. 313 00:16:25,330 --> 00:16:27,000 She went through hell 314 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:28,670 trying to find answers. 315 00:16:29,750 --> 00:16:31,210 (Espey) When I got to the point 316 00:16:31,250 --> 00:16:32,960 that the charges did not get filed, 317 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,840 but we knew who did it, 318 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,470 Branson Perry's mother was dying of cancer. 319 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,260 But before Branson's mother 320 00:16:40,300 --> 00:16:41,600 went to her grave, 321 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,180 I had a meeting and told her 322 00:16:43,220 --> 00:16:46,230 exactly what I knew and what we feel 323 00:16:46,270 --> 00:16:49,850 99.9% sure that happened to her son. 324 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,610 (Fanning) When Branson's mother died, 325 00:16:55,650 --> 00:16:58,030 her obituary said 326 00:16:58,070 --> 00:16:59,910 that she was preceded in death 327 00:16:59,950 --> 00:17:01,820 by her son Branson. 328 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,080 Obviously, she accepted 329 00:17:06,120 --> 00:17:08,670 the fact that he was gone. 330 00:17:12,460 --> 00:17:16,340 (Booher) The question that haunts Skidmore to this day is, 331 00:17:16,380 --> 00:17:19,090 "Why all this violence?" 332 00:17:19,130 --> 00:17:22,010 And "Why isn't anybody talking?" 333 00:17:23,470 --> 00:17:25,140 (Fanning) Wendy Gillenwater, 334 00:17:25,180 --> 00:17:27,390 who was brutally murdered, 335 00:17:27,430 --> 00:17:31,150 Branson Perry disappeared and is presumed dead, 336 00:17:31,190 --> 00:17:34,650 and the murder of Ken Rex McElroy... 337 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,320 (Booher) That's a bad legacy for a town. 338 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:43,570 And then you have probably the most horrific case 339 00:17:43,620 --> 00:17:45,700 in the town's history, 340 00:17:45,740 --> 00:17:48,330 Bobbie Jo Stinnett. 341 00:17:48,370 --> 00:17:51,170 And it is literally repugnant 342 00:17:51,210 --> 00:17:55,000 to think of what happened to that woman. 343 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,260 And the person that did this. 344 00:17:59,380 --> 00:18:02,430 This is something a normal person can't do. 345 00:18:11,980 --> 00:18:14,480 a very, very horrible thing happened. 346 00:18:15,940 --> 00:18:19,400 Part of a line of amazingly horrible events 347 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:20,740 that have happened in this town, 348 00:18:20,780 --> 00:18:22,780 particularly after 349 00:18:22,820 --> 00:18:26,200 the killing of Ken Rex McElroy, 350 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:27,830 Wendy, 351 00:18:27,870 --> 00:18:30,460 Branson. 352 00:18:30,500 --> 00:18:34,250 We had a couple other incidents where there was 353 00:18:34,290 --> 00:18:37,090 supposed suicides-- 354 00:18:37,130 --> 00:18:40,210 a young boy was found hung... 355 00:18:42,550 --> 00:18:45,140 another was swimming underneath the bridge, 356 00:18:45,180 --> 00:18:46,550 and he drowned. 357 00:18:49,390 --> 00:18:52,480 And I came to the end of my rope, as it were. 358 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,980 And so, I found Christ. 359 00:18:57,020 --> 00:18:58,440 I had a prayer partner. 360 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,650 And he lived two blocks away from me. 361 00:19:01,690 --> 00:19:06,280 And we would go out every morning that we could, 362 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,490 and we'd walk through the town and we'd pray. 363 00:19:08,530 --> 00:19:11,580 We'd pray over the streets, we'd pray over the houses. 364 00:19:11,620 --> 00:19:14,670 We'd pray for the people who lived in the houses. 365 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,800 And one day, as I was praying, 366 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,630 I heard an audible voice, 367 00:19:20,670 --> 00:19:22,590 and it was not the voice of God. 368 00:19:22,630 --> 00:19:26,550 And the voice said, "I am stealing the children 369 00:19:26,590 --> 00:19:28,850 from under your noses." 370 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,520 And I looked up, 371 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,560 and from under my nose, 372 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,690 was Branson Perry's house, 373 00:19:39,730 --> 00:19:43,030 and then across the street 374 00:19:43,070 --> 00:19:45,280 was Bobbie Jo Stinnett's house. 375 00:19:47,870 --> 00:19:49,740 (Fanning) Bobbie Jo Stinnett 376 00:19:49,780 --> 00:19:52,040 was brutally murdered 377 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,750 in her own home 378 00:19:53,790 --> 00:19:56,120 right there in Skidmore. 379 00:20:00,420 --> 00:20:02,380 (Marty Small) I remember being in college 380 00:20:02,420 --> 00:20:04,220 in 2004, 381 00:20:04,260 --> 00:20:06,970 sitting in class, 382 00:20:07,010 --> 00:20:09,180 I got a text message 383 00:20:09,220 --> 00:20:12,060 that there had been another murder in Skidmore. 384 00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:16,100 Bobbie Jo, she was a really nice girl. 385 00:20:16,140 --> 00:20:18,810 There was not a mean bone in her body. 386 00:20:18,860 --> 00:20:21,650 She had been in my little sister's class 387 00:20:21,690 --> 00:20:25,110 in junior high, and that was crazy. 388 00:20:25,150 --> 00:20:26,570 I remember the name comes across, I'm like, 389 00:20:26,610 --> 00:20:28,490 "Holy crap, I know her." 390 00:20:28,530 --> 00:20:31,280 You know, I can't believe that happened, 391 00:20:31,330 --> 00:20:33,290 yet it didn't surprise me. 392 00:20:40,290 --> 00:20:42,420 (phone line ringing) 393 00:20:48,180 --> 00:20:50,390 (Espey) I was in the sheriff's department 394 00:20:50,430 --> 00:20:53,600 when the 911 call came in. 395 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:54,970 (phone line ringing) 396 00:20:55,020 --> 00:20:57,390 I could hear the conversation 397 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,560 from the person on the other end of the line, 398 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,110 which was Bobbi Jo Stinnett's mother. 399 00:21:04,190 --> 00:21:06,650 She said, "I need somebody here right now. 400 00:21:06,690 --> 00:21:09,780 My daughter's stomach has exploded." 401 00:21:10,780 --> 00:21:13,370 (police siren blaring) 402 00:21:21,290 --> 00:21:24,460 (Reinig) It was a sight that probably a county sheriff 403 00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:28,220 in rural northwest Missouri was not used to seeing. 404 00:21:31,300 --> 00:21:33,760 (Espey) When I got there, I walked through the house, 405 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,640 and get to the room 406 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,060 where Bobbie Joe Stinnett is. 407 00:21:38,100 --> 00:21:41,020 I could tell, as I walked through the door, 408 00:21:41,060 --> 00:21:43,770 that there was probably no life there. 409 00:21:43,810 --> 00:21:45,610 (camera shutter clicking) 410 00:21:45,650 --> 00:21:48,490 Bobbie Jo was laying flat on her back, face up. 411 00:21:49,650 --> 00:21:51,360 Becky, the mother, 412 00:21:51,410 --> 00:21:53,240 looked at me and says, "I don't know-- 413 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,790 "I've never done CPR. I don't know that I'm doing it right. 414 00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:58,330 Can you help?" I continued CPR 415 00:21:58,370 --> 00:22:02,500 until the ambulance personnel walked in with a cot. 416 00:22:02,540 --> 00:22:05,670 (Booher) From the bedroom to the kitchen, 417 00:22:05,710 --> 00:22:08,670 it was a horrific crime scene. 418 00:22:13,890 --> 00:22:15,600 (Britt Small) There was so much blood, 419 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,060 I mean, it just-- It made me sick. 420 00:22:18,100 --> 00:22:20,810 And the reason I knew what all happened there 421 00:22:20,850 --> 00:22:25,230 was because my chiropractor was the coroner at the time. 422 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,690 (Booher) I was actually here in the news room. 423 00:22:29,740 --> 00:22:33,570 We had gotten calls from people around the area, 424 00:22:33,610 --> 00:22:35,280 saying, "Hey, looks like 425 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,040 there's something big goin' on in Skidmore." 426 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,370 And of course, we thought, "What, again?" 427 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,580 (people chattering) 428 00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:46,960 Okay, here's modulation mic check for KXCV Radio. 429 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,840 KXCV Maryville, KRNW Chillicothe. 430 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,720 Mic check modulation. 431 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,550 And, uh, we don't have anything yet. 432 00:22:58,850 --> 00:23:00,430 (Espey) There's been several crimes 433 00:23:00,470 --> 00:23:03,390 in Skidmore over the past several years. 434 00:23:06,610 --> 00:23:08,400 But the Bobbie Jo Stinnett case 435 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,240 was probably the biggest case that I had in my career. 436 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:13,700 Okay, we're gonna be real brief. 437 00:23:13,740 --> 00:23:15,110 Is everybody ready? 438 00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:18,910 This conference won't last very long. 439 00:23:20,370 --> 00:23:23,000 There was a lot of manpower put into this. 440 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,750 There was a lot of hard investigative work. 441 00:23:24,790 --> 00:23:26,380 Right now, there's investigators 442 00:23:26,420 --> 00:23:27,670 doing questioning. 443 00:23:27,710 --> 00:23:29,460 (male reporter 1) 444 00:23:29,500 --> 00:23:32,470 There's two people being questioned at this time. 445 00:23:32,510 --> 00:23:35,760 And, uh, I think that's where we'll leave it. 446 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,510 (male reporter 1) 447 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:40,770 They're still in the process of doing 448 00:23:40,810 --> 00:23:42,430 an investigation on that. 449 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,600 (male reporter 2) 450 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,650 We're in the process of doing that right now. 451 00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:52,690 (Espey) As they loaded Bobbie Jo onto the stretcher 452 00:23:52,740 --> 00:23:55,030 and took her out to the ambulance, 453 00:23:55,070 --> 00:23:56,950 I could see that her stomach was cut 454 00:23:56,990 --> 00:23:58,450 from side to side. 455 00:23:59,870 --> 00:24:01,290 I then went back into the house 456 00:24:01,330 --> 00:24:03,330 and asked Becky, the mother, I said, 457 00:24:03,370 --> 00:24:05,120 "Is Bobbie Jo pregnant?" 458 00:24:08,500 --> 00:24:13,670 "Yes, she was within a month of delivering a new child." 459 00:24:14,670 --> 00:24:16,220 So we had a baby that was cut 460 00:24:16,260 --> 00:24:17,930 out of her mother, 461 00:24:17,970 --> 00:24:20,050 and the baby's gone. 462 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:22,810 (male reporter) When police entered this house 463 00:24:22,850 --> 00:24:24,810 in tiny Skidmore, Missouri, 464 00:24:24,850 --> 00:24:27,440 they discovered the slain body of pregnant mother-to-be, 465 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,060 Bobbie Jo Stinnett. 466 00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:31,270 Her murder was made all the more horrifying 467 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,820 by what police did not find: 468 00:24:33,860 --> 00:24:36,400 a pregnant woman attacked in her home, 469 00:24:36,450 --> 00:24:40,830 the baby she was carrying, cut from her womb and gone. 470 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,130 and I cried a lot that night 471 00:24:53,170 --> 00:24:55,260 and I prayed a lot that night. 472 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,010 Makes me shiver yet today. 473 00:25:00,050 --> 00:25:02,720 The cruelest, meanest 474 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,850 that I had ever seen in my life. 475 00:25:05,890 --> 00:25:09,810 And I was raised rough in the country, and everything, 476 00:25:09,850 --> 00:25:12,400 and never seen anything like that. 477 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,230 It as just horrible. 478 00:25:17,030 --> 00:25:19,660 Bobbie Jo was the niece of my daughters. 479 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,030 And Bobbie Jo and Zeb got married 480 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,870 and was doin' real good. 481 00:25:26,910 --> 00:25:29,000 They were raising dogs together. 482 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:34,250 And I never knew of Bobbie Jo and Zeb ever had any problems. 483 00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:36,710 The mother, Becky, worked at the filling station, 484 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,180 and Bobbie Jo would come down and pick her mother up 485 00:25:39,220 --> 00:25:40,630 and take her down home. 486 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,430 Well, that very day, 487 00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:44,560 Becky knew that there must have been something wrong, 488 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,850 because Bobbie Jo hadn't got down there. 489 00:25:46,890 --> 00:25:51,690 And so, that's when her mother went up there, 490 00:25:51,730 --> 00:25:53,770 and that's when the mother had found out 491 00:25:53,810 --> 00:25:56,190 they'd cut Bobbie Jo's baby out of her. 492 00:25:59,450 --> 00:26:02,280 (Brett Small) She was a good friend of my daughters. 493 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,740 And she used to come out here, ride her pony out here, 494 00:26:04,780 --> 00:26:08,200 and sit right here at the table and eat with the family. 495 00:26:09,620 --> 00:26:11,580 (Goslee) I knew Bobbie Jo real well. 496 00:26:11,620 --> 00:26:13,250 I knew her folks. 497 00:26:14,420 --> 00:26:16,420 Young cowgirl. 498 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,550 She wouldn't hurt a fly. 499 00:26:23,260 --> 00:26:25,930 It's a real, real, real tragedy 500 00:26:25,970 --> 00:26:27,810 of what happened to her. 501 00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:35,190 (male officer) The sheriff, when he started the investigation, 502 00:26:35,230 --> 00:26:38,150 right away, he activated the major case squad, 503 00:26:38,190 --> 00:26:40,610 which brought in other law enforcement agencies, 504 00:26:40,650 --> 00:26:43,700 such as the highway patrol, the FBI, 505 00:26:43,740 --> 00:26:45,450 different sheriffs, police departments 506 00:26:45,490 --> 00:26:47,620 in northwest Missouri. 507 00:26:47,660 --> 00:26:50,830 Essentially, half the town was blocked off 508 00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:53,000 because of the crime scene. 509 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,710 (Fanning) They wanted every little 510 00:26:54,750 --> 00:26:57,090 tiny piece of trace evidence 511 00:26:57,130 --> 00:26:59,630 they could find that would nail down 512 00:26:59,670 --> 00:27:02,090 who came into this home. 513 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,390 (Booher) The first thing they did 514 00:27:06,430 --> 00:27:09,060 was take blood samples of everything. 515 00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:10,720 (camera shutter clicking) 516 00:27:10,770 --> 00:27:13,140 There was a trail of blood 517 00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:16,940 where her murderer had dragged her body 518 00:27:16,980 --> 00:27:19,230 down a hallway; 519 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,320 a bloody knife laying on the counter 520 00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:26,120 that was used to cut the baby out of Bobbie Jo's womb. 521 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,120 (Fanning) Forensic scientists took up a piece of floor 522 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,120 where she breathed her last breath 523 00:27:35,170 --> 00:27:37,420 to see what evidence they could find. 524 00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:41,960 (Booher) They don't want to disturb the body. 525 00:27:42,010 --> 00:27:45,130 They want the body to remain as it was 526 00:27:45,180 --> 00:27:46,970 when she died. 527 00:27:47,010 --> 00:27:49,720 So they just cut the whole floor up-- 528 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,140 they pry it up, they lift it up 529 00:27:52,180 --> 00:27:54,060 and they take it out of the house. 530 00:27:56,230 --> 00:28:00,230 (Strong) At the time, I was a detective here in Maryville. 531 00:28:00,270 --> 00:28:04,110 And shortly after Sheriff Espey and his deputies arrived there, 532 00:28:04,150 --> 00:28:06,160 I got a phone call. 533 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,990 The body was being taken to St. Francis Hospital. 534 00:28:09,030 --> 00:28:10,830 I was told to go down there 535 00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:13,040 and document the body-- photograph the body 536 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,370 and look for evidence. 537 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,630 There were ligature marks around her neck, 538 00:28:19,670 --> 00:28:22,380 where I could see a pattern-- 539 00:28:22,420 --> 00:28:25,510 she was strangled at least twice, if not, three times. 540 00:28:25,550 --> 00:28:27,510 I could see the distinct bruising 541 00:28:27,550 --> 00:28:30,100 and the marks of the rope around her neck. 542 00:28:30,140 --> 00:28:31,680 She was barefoot. 543 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,310 I noticed that on the top of her feet 544 00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:35,020 there was no blood. 545 00:28:35,060 --> 00:28:36,770 Her feet had been flat in blood 546 00:28:36,810 --> 00:28:39,310 and that blood had come up between her toes, 547 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,900 which told me that once she had been cut, 548 00:28:42,940 --> 00:28:46,030 and cut severely, that she was not dead yet for a little bit, 549 00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:48,450 that she was able to get up and stand. 550 00:28:48,490 --> 00:28:50,530 I believe that her attacker 551 00:28:50,570 --> 00:28:53,370 started cutting on her, blood spilled out 552 00:28:53,410 --> 00:28:56,080 and that Bobbie Jo continued to fight for her life, 553 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,580 or her baby's life. 554 00:29:19,310 --> 00:29:22,940 People live in an area like Skidmore, Missouri 555 00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:25,570 because, basically, they want a quiet life. 556 00:29:27,950 --> 00:29:30,740 Then when Bobbie Jo Stinnett died, 557 00:29:30,780 --> 00:29:35,120 all their old misbehaviors were brought out. 558 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,000 Everybody was focused on what was wrong with Skidmore. 559 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,170 (male reporter 1) Bobbie Jo Stinnett was found strangled, 560 00:29:41,210 --> 00:29:44,880 lying in a pool of blood inside this Skidmore home. 561 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,460 (male reporter 2) Keep in mind, Skidmore was already no stranger 562 00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:50,840 to the media, and this case put them on the map again. 563 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,590 All these reporters 564 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,810 and all these journalists were comin' into town, 565 00:29:54,850 --> 00:29:57,430 and they were dredging all this stuff up again. 566 00:29:57,470 --> 00:30:00,730 This was something so unusual that it captured 567 00:30:00,770 --> 00:30:03,610 the attention of media outlets all over the world. 568 00:30:03,650 --> 00:30:05,730 A baby born of violence, 569 00:30:05,770 --> 00:30:07,440 ripped from the womb and her mother... 570 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,950 Fetal abduction in the nation's heartland. 571 00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:12,950 (female reporter) The vicious crime has shaken this tight knit small town. 572 00:30:12,990 --> 00:30:15,370 I just can't understand why anybody 573 00:30:15,410 --> 00:30:17,540 would do a trick like that. 574 00:30:30,170 --> 00:30:31,840 -(woman) Sheriff-- -(man) What time you talkin', like later on tonight? 575 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,720 Yes, later on tonight, I would anticipate. 576 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,850 I don't have a specific time, okay? 577 00:30:35,890 --> 00:30:37,430 (female reporter) 578 00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:47,860 Nobody here, nobody here could ever perceive 579 00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:49,940 this ever taking place, 580 00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:53,030 to have a fetus taken out of someone's womb. 581 00:30:54,660 --> 00:30:56,200 It's unconceivable. 582 00:30:57,370 --> 00:30:58,740 And I'm a grandparent, 583 00:30:58,790 --> 00:31:01,000 and I had a grandson born 584 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,710 six days prior to this incident. 585 00:31:05,630 --> 00:31:08,880 And then for me to think that now I'm workin' a case here 586 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,050 where someone's taken a baby out of a mother... 587 00:31:12,970 --> 00:31:15,800 The grandparents, the family, 588 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,430 nobody was gonna be able to see this baby. 589 00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:20,720 I know you guys, you really want a lot of stuff. 590 00:31:20,770 --> 00:31:23,020 We're in the middle of this investigation. 591 00:31:23,060 --> 00:31:24,650 We're not in the back of it. 592 00:31:24,690 --> 00:31:26,400 What I can't do and we can't afford to do 593 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,400 is let anything slip from here that can jeopardize 594 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,150 the murder case. And you're gonna want-- 595 00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:33,360 If it's your grandkid, you're gonna want this person 596 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:34,610 behind bars as well as we are. 597 00:31:34,660 --> 00:31:36,990 (male reporter) 598 00:31:38,530 --> 00:31:40,410 We're really not gonna comment on that right now. 599 00:31:40,450 --> 00:31:42,040 If you stick around for a little while, 600 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,210 we may have some more information about the case 601 00:31:43,250 --> 00:31:44,870 in general. Thank you very much. 602 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,250 -(reporters clamoring) -(Lanza) Get it right here. 603 00:31:55,050 --> 00:31:58,760 (Booher) Law enforcement was under enormous pressure 604 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,890 to solve this case, 605 00:32:00,930 --> 00:32:02,930 and do it damn quick. 606 00:32:02,980 --> 00:32:05,140 (female reporter) Officials ask if you know anything, 607 00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:06,850 to come forward. 608 00:32:06,900 --> 00:32:08,360 (Espey) Don't assume that we already know, 609 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:09,770 'cause we may not. 610 00:32:09,820 --> 00:32:11,940 And that may be the one piece 611 00:32:11,980 --> 00:32:13,360 of the puzzle that we might need. 612 00:32:15,150 --> 00:32:17,030 (Hayes) It was December the 16th, 613 00:32:17,070 --> 00:32:19,490 around 3:30... 614 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,120 my son and I rolled up in the yard, 615 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,960 and here come this red car, 616 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,000 just abarrelin'. 617 00:32:32,170 --> 00:32:36,090 I seen a woman in the back seat doing something. 618 00:32:36,130 --> 00:32:39,430 And the little one that was doing the driving, 619 00:32:39,470 --> 00:32:41,640 her hands were small. 620 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,350 So we run around the truck to see, 621 00:32:44,390 --> 00:32:46,350 and the vehicle went south. 622 00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:51,900 And I thought, "Should I call the sheriff to see? 623 00:32:51,940 --> 00:32:54,570 Maybe it would give him a lead." 624 00:32:54,610 --> 00:32:56,740 I did go ahead and call. 625 00:32:56,780 --> 00:32:59,950 I called the sheriff to tell the FBI 626 00:32:59,990 --> 00:33:01,910 what I seen. 627 00:33:01,950 --> 00:33:04,200 (male reporter) Early on, investigators got a lead-- 628 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,750 an anonymous phone call about a red car. 629 00:33:07,790 --> 00:33:10,920 (Booher) The day that Bobbie Jo Stinnett was killed 630 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,670 was different from Ken Rex and Branson Perry's case. 631 00:33:17,300 --> 00:33:18,840 I don't know if it was because 632 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,550 there was an infant involved, 633 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:27,020 but Nodaway County asked for help that day. 634 00:33:27,060 --> 00:33:31,150 Townspeople responded that day. 635 00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:34,730 Tonight, the authorities are still looking for 636 00:33:34,780 --> 00:33:37,530 the red car-- they believe the red car was used 637 00:33:37,570 --> 00:33:39,280 to take the baby away. 638 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,570 (male reporter) The FBI, highway patrol, 639 00:33:41,620 --> 00:33:43,530 the sheriff, had nothing but red 640 00:33:43,580 --> 00:33:46,330 as the color of the getaway car. That was it. 641 00:33:46,370 --> 00:33:49,080 Remember, they didn't know if they would find a baby, 642 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,670 if the baby would be alive or healthy, 643 00:33:51,710 --> 00:33:54,040 or how to even tell if it's the right baby. 644 00:33:54,090 --> 00:33:57,340 Because this baby had not gone full term, 645 00:33:57,380 --> 00:34:01,010 but he's probably alive out there somewhere. 646 00:34:01,050 --> 00:34:05,220 (Fanning) And so the time factor is even more critical. 647 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,850 (Espey) The mother was eight months pregnant, 648 00:34:08,890 --> 00:34:12,270 so we're lookin' at a one-month premature baby. 649 00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:14,480 From what it looks like to us is, there was, 650 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,190 the evidence would show that the baby 651 00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:19,070 was probably wrapped up and taken out of the home. 652 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,780 (Reinig) The sheriff immediately called for an amber alert, 653 00:34:24,830 --> 00:34:26,700 for the child that was missing. 654 00:34:26,740 --> 00:34:29,250 And apparently, the state refused. 655 00:34:29,290 --> 00:34:31,120 We didn't have enough criteria to meet it, 656 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,540 which would be like hair color, eye color, 657 00:34:33,580 --> 00:34:35,500 skin complexion, size, weight. 658 00:34:37,050 --> 00:34:38,050 (Espey) The amber alert is a system 659 00:34:38,090 --> 00:34:39,880 here in the United States. 660 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,260 Law enforcement started this up, 661 00:34:41,300 --> 00:34:42,880 and it's meant to help find a child 662 00:34:42,930 --> 00:34:44,640 that's in distress 663 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:45,930 or somebody's kidnapped. 664 00:34:45,970 --> 00:34:47,680 (beeping) 665 00:34:47,720 --> 00:34:49,640 There's a description of the child, 666 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,810 description of the vehicle you're looking for. 667 00:34:52,850 --> 00:34:56,860 It goes out on all the law enforcement networks, 668 00:34:56,900 --> 00:34:59,150 on all the television, all the radio, 669 00:34:59,190 --> 00:35:01,490 right now on all the cell phones. 670 00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:07,620 (Fanning) But there was a problem. 671 00:35:07,660 --> 00:35:09,870 He could not describe the baby. 672 00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:11,620 The baby hadn't been born. 673 00:35:11,660 --> 00:35:13,120 (male reporter) Sheriff Ben Espey had 674 00:35:13,170 --> 00:35:15,540 a brutal crime to solve, and fast. 675 00:35:15,580 --> 00:35:19,050 But how could he request an amber alert for a child 676 00:35:19,090 --> 00:35:21,800 that had technically never been born? 677 00:35:23,180 --> 00:35:25,470 (Fanning) No one could describe the baby, 678 00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:28,180 but the person who just abducted the baby. 679 00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:51,540 And they've been in the process of tearin' this down 680 00:35:51,580 --> 00:35:53,040 ever since the murder, but... 681 00:35:54,290 --> 00:35:56,710 uh, it's a real slow process. 682 00:35:59,590 --> 00:36:01,250 Sad, sad deal. 683 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,390 My stepdaughter lived here 684 00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:10,100 with her two boys for a couple years... 685 00:36:11,310 --> 00:36:13,770 prior to what happened to Bobbie Jo. 686 00:36:13,810 --> 00:36:16,230 I used to come up here all the time. 687 00:36:16,270 --> 00:36:18,400 (knocks on wood frame) 688 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,070 Living room and a spare bedroom. 689 00:36:21,110 --> 00:36:23,440 Bathroom right there. 690 00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:26,610 Little kitchen area. 691 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,540 I don't know the gruesome details. 692 00:36:31,580 --> 00:36:34,160 I wouldn't talk about 'em if I did. 693 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,830 But you take a young woman 694 00:36:37,870 --> 00:36:39,210 gettin' ready to have a baby, 695 00:36:39,250 --> 00:36:41,170 and somebody murdered her? 696 00:36:41,210 --> 00:36:43,920 I mean, it can't get any worse than that. 697 00:36:45,050 --> 00:36:47,130 Can't get any worse than that. 698 00:36:50,140 --> 00:36:51,680 Probably the saddest thing 699 00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:53,560 that's ever happened in this town. 700 00:37:01,060 --> 00:37:03,320 (Fanning) We have long heard the phrase that 701 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,780 "The sins of the father are visited upon their sons." 702 00:37:09,450 --> 00:37:11,620 One generation stood in the street 703 00:37:11,660 --> 00:37:14,910 and shot down Ken McElroy 704 00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:16,710 and ended his life. 705 00:37:19,210 --> 00:37:22,290 With a small town like Skidmore, 706 00:37:22,340 --> 00:37:25,130 these violent crimes leave a mark 707 00:37:25,170 --> 00:37:27,260 on the whole town. 708 00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:29,260 It's almost biblical, 709 00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:33,100 that one act of violence 710 00:37:33,140 --> 00:37:35,270 seemed to have bred 711 00:37:35,310 --> 00:37:38,770 three acts of violence in the next generation. 712 00:37:40,770 --> 00:37:43,820 (male reporter 1) Bobby Jo Stinnett would never see her child born. 713 00:37:43,860 --> 00:37:45,900 The 23-year-old pregnant woman 714 00:37:45,940 --> 00:37:47,820 was strangled in their small town home-- 715 00:37:47,860 --> 00:37:51,200 her womb cut and her unborn baby kidnapped. 716 00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:52,990 The medics told us at the hospital that 717 00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:54,870 this baby is probably still alive 718 00:37:54,910 --> 00:37:56,580 and is gonna need medical attention. 719 00:37:59,460 --> 00:38:02,500 (male reporter 2) The sheriff's first amber alert request was denied, 720 00:38:02,540 --> 00:38:04,790 because this child had not been born yet. 721 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,300 (Espey) Well, they wouldn't give me the amber alert. 722 00:38:07,340 --> 00:38:09,970 The said you gotta have the baby's height, weight, 723 00:38:10,010 --> 00:38:12,180 eye color, hair color. 724 00:38:12,220 --> 00:38:13,680 Well, we didn't have any of that. 725 00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:15,470 The only thing I really had was 726 00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:18,350 the fact that we had a baby that was a month premature 727 00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:20,020 that had been taken. 728 00:38:20,060 --> 00:38:22,480 And to me, that should be enough. 729 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,110 (male reporter 3) Espey would not be deterred. 730 00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:26,270 He made some calls, pushed his case, 731 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,030 He even lobbied his congressman 732 00:38:28,070 --> 00:38:29,950 to make sure the word got out. 733 00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:32,450 (Espey) So here's what we got. 734 00:38:32,490 --> 00:38:33,950 We've got a baby that was cut out, 735 00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:36,700 we've got a murder-- the mother's dead-- 736 00:38:36,740 --> 00:38:38,500 and I need the amber alert. 737 00:38:38,540 --> 00:38:40,960 Within two hours, the highway patrol 738 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,790 called me and said, "All right, Sheriff, you got what you wanted." 739 00:38:42,830 --> 00:38:44,420 Well, I didn't like that attitude. 740 00:38:44,460 --> 00:38:46,800 But I got it. I got what I wanted. 741 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,630 (male reporter 4) After a day long nightmare, 742 00:38:48,670 --> 00:38:50,260 police sounded an amber alert, 743 00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:51,840 triggering a dragnet in Missouri 744 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,340 and nearby states. 745 00:38:53,390 --> 00:38:54,840 (Espey over radio) Keep an eye out for 746 00:38:54,890 --> 00:38:56,220 an infant with possible health issues, 747 00:38:56,260 --> 00:38:57,930 a newly cut umbilical cord 748 00:38:57,970 --> 00:39:00,060 and bloody clothing. 749 00:39:00,100 --> 00:39:03,270 (Fanning) It was all over national television. 750 00:39:03,310 --> 00:39:06,190 Where is this baby? 751 00:39:11,070 --> 00:39:13,110 We're back here live. Now, they are just going to go 752 00:39:13,150 --> 00:39:14,700 with a press conference-- they're going to give an update. 753 00:39:14,740 --> 00:39:16,490 Here is the latest from the investigators... 754 00:39:16,530 --> 00:39:18,580 -...in this case. -(Espey)...involved in the case. 755 00:39:19,870 --> 00:39:21,750 (Espey) When this amber alert come out, 756 00:39:21,790 --> 00:39:23,540 we took an anonymous tip that come 757 00:39:23,580 --> 00:39:25,330 from several states away from here... 758 00:39:26,750 --> 00:39:28,750 (Fanning) Meanwhile, they're taking 759 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,460 lots of calls from people 760 00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:34,300 who are noticing odd things. 761 00:39:34,340 --> 00:39:37,760 But the real trigger to find out what was going on 762 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,100 was in Bobbie Jo's computer. 763 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,900 (male reporter) A fellow dog breeder from North Carolina 764 00:39:45,940 --> 00:39:48,570 led FBI agents to Stinnett's website. 765 00:39:48,610 --> 00:39:50,780 Investigators searched her computer, 766 00:39:50,820 --> 00:39:52,360 discovering a vital clue. 767 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,650 (man) Bobbie Jo ran a website 768 00:39:54,700 --> 00:39:56,910 where she sold rat terrier dogs. 769 00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:58,620 (mouse clicks) 770 00:39:58,660 --> 00:39:59,910 They took that computer in, 771 00:39:59,950 --> 00:40:01,700 they started analyzing it, 772 00:40:01,750 --> 00:40:04,120 and they found this chat group 773 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,830 of rat terrier breeders... 774 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,130 (mouse clicks) 775 00:40:08,170 --> 00:40:09,670 (Booher) At the time, 776 00:40:09,710 --> 00:40:12,010 we didn't think it was important. 777 00:40:12,050 --> 00:40:13,840 (Strong) Anybody getting on the website 778 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,380 could look at that and see that she was pregnant. 779 00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:17,010 (mouse clicks) 780 00:40:17,050 --> 00:40:18,850 She documented her pregnancy on that. 781 00:40:18,890 --> 00:40:20,890 She showed different stages of that, 782 00:40:20,930 --> 00:40:23,060 and she talked about how excited she was-- 783 00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:25,390 this was gonna be her and Zeb's first child. 784 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,650 (mouse clicks) 785 00:40:26,690 --> 00:40:28,610 Her address is on the website, 786 00:40:28,650 --> 00:40:30,770 so anybody could get on there and find out where she lived. 787 00:40:30,820 --> 00:40:32,940 The day before the murder, 788 00:40:32,980 --> 00:40:34,940 a woman gets online, 789 00:40:34,990 --> 00:40:36,450 and introduces herself 790 00:40:36,490 --> 00:40:38,200 as Darlene Fischer. 791 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:41,030 She says she wants to buy a dog 792 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,240 from Bobbie Jo Stinnett 793 00:40:42,290 --> 00:40:44,250 in Skidmore, Missouri. 794 00:40:44,290 --> 00:40:46,620 Bobbie Jo was 795 00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:48,170 making arrangements 796 00:40:48,210 --> 00:40:50,040 to meet with someone, 797 00:40:50,090 --> 00:40:51,420 and it was supposed to happen 798 00:40:51,460 --> 00:40:53,550 that day. 799 00:40:53,590 --> 00:40:55,380 So they wanted to find 800 00:40:55,420 --> 00:40:56,930 this person-- find out if that person 801 00:40:56,970 --> 00:40:58,260 had come to the house 802 00:40:58,300 --> 00:41:00,260 to look at the puppies. 803 00:41:02,850 --> 00:41:04,890 She was Darlene Fischer 804 00:41:04,930 --> 00:41:07,060 from Fairfax, Missouri. 805 00:41:09,770 --> 00:41:11,940 They flooded Fairfax 806 00:41:11,980 --> 00:41:14,900 with tons of cops, trying to find Darlene Fischer. 807 00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:17,240 (police siren blaring in distance) 808 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,820 (thunder crashes) 809 00:41:18,860 --> 00:41:20,780 But it was all a ruse. 810 00:41:22,370 --> 00:41:25,450 The FBI then, very quickl, was able to track 811 00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:27,750 this Darlene Fischer's domain name 812 00:41:27,790 --> 00:41:29,290 back to Melvern, Kansas. 813 00:41:29,330 --> 00:41:32,130 (♪) 814 00:41:32,170 --> 00:41:33,880 (Espey) So that's when I sent 815 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,380 Randy Strong and Don Fritz 816 00:41:35,420 --> 00:41:37,760 to Melvern, Kansas 817 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,010 to try to figure out 818 00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:41,720 who Darlene Fischer was. 819 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:42,890 (thunder crashes) 820 00:41:42,930 --> 00:41:44,390 And at the same time, 821 00:41:44,430 --> 00:41:46,180 a woman from Melvern 822 00:41:46,220 --> 00:41:48,600 was calling in and saying, 823 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,020 "There was this woman walking around with a newborn baby." 824 00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:54,150 Lisa Montgomery. 825 00:41:54,190 --> 00:41:56,740 (♪) 826 00:41:56,780 --> 00:41:59,030 Lisa Montgomery is incapable 827 00:41:59,070 --> 00:42:00,780 of having a newborn baby. 828 00:42:00,820 --> 00:42:03,120 She had a tubal ligation years ago. 829 00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:06,620 (female reporter) That woman, Darlene Fischer, 830 00:42:06,660 --> 00:42:09,290 turns out to be Lisa Montgomery. 831 00:42:09,330 --> 00:42:12,000 (Fanning) Everything was closing in. 832 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,040 That baby had to be located 833 00:42:14,090 --> 00:42:16,210 as fast as they could. 834 00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:19,670 There are all sorts of things that could go wrong. 835 00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:21,380 This child is in danger. 836 00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:23,390 (♪) 836 00:42:24,305 --> 00:43:24,167 Please rate this subtitle at www.osdb.link/phhp3 Help other users to choose the best subtitles 63500

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