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Alexis and Anthony, thank you so much

for coming out today, I really appreciate it.

My name is Sophia Locke, I specialize in family therapy,

and I'm really excited to have you here today.

I'd love to hear more about why you've come to see me.

Well, thank you, Dr. Locke.

Thank you for having Anthony and I here today.

We're excited to be here, right, Anthony?

Oh, yeah.

(laughing)

All right, let me just cut the chase

and get into why we're here.

Sure.

So, I started, I realized I was losing my panties

and bras, I thought I was losing them.

Sure. - Leaving them at the gym

or whatever.

Okay.

But that wasn't the case.

I actually found a pair in his closet on the floor.

And then a week later, I found another pair.

And so I took them back and they were just

sticky and crusty and just,

and then I looked in the back of his closet

and I found a bag of my bras and panties.

Okay, I can see why that would be really shocking for you,

but I want to let both of you know

that this is a place of no judgment.

It's a safe space for both of you,

and I want to help you grow closer

through all of your issues, okay?

So, I know it's a big step coming here,

especially for you two, Anthony.

Why don't you tell me about

your side of what happened with this?

I don't know, I just,

I don't know, I just feel like it brings me closer

a little bit, like I feel a little closer.

Sure, sure.

Are you not feeling like in your kind of day-to-day life

you have a lot of connection here with your stepmom?

I mean, yeah, sometimes and stuff,

but I feel like, you know, I don't know.

Do we really have to talk about this?

We're in a safe place, sweetie.

Exactly. - We're at the doctor's.

And I've heard it all.

This is actually a very common issue

that people come to me in therapy about, you know?

There is a draw, especially at your age, Anthony,

toward, you know, maybe more private items

of clothing, and if you're getting these urges

and these hormones raging through your body,

sometimes they're misplaced onto our family members, right?

So it is kind of a normal thing that I hear.

So I wanna validate you in that way

to let you know that it's not that crazy.

You know, it's not that wild.

So we're gonna work through it together,

and I think from what I'm hearing,

and correct me if I'm wrong,

it sounds like you have a wonderful bond with her,

and you'd like that to be stronger.

We do. - Yeah.

There we go, look what we're getting somewhere.

Now I got a smile from Anthony, so.

I know we're making some progress here.

It's going to be a long road,

but I want you to know that we'll get to a place

where either you're not doing this kind of behavior,

or we're finding a more healthy outlet for this,

these urges, basically, right?

And so sometimes this transference

maybe isn't done in a healthy way this way,

but I have some ideas about how we can do

maybe some unconventional methods

to fix the problem, basically.

So I wanna know if you're open, if you're open to that.

Well, what do you have in mind?

Well, I-- - We're open to it.

It's fine. - Great, great.

I'd love to-- - She's a doctor.

You need to trust her, you need to trust her.

Typically what you'll see from most therapists

is just that you kind of talk, talk, talk through it, right?

Maybe some cognitive behavioral therapy,

some recognizing our emotions, stuff like that,

but I think that's a little boring,

just if you want my personal opinion on it,

and I want a faster track to bringing your family together.

Okay, so we're gonna do what's called exposure therapy,

right, and so we're gonna take something

that's maybe a little scary,

maybe a little uncomfortable,

and we're gonna go a little farther with it,

kind of a shocking level of far with it,

so that if this happens again,

it won't seem like that big of a deal.

I think I'm okay with, are you okay with this?

Yeah. - Are you sure?

Yeah, you said your trust her and stuff, so.

All right, okay, doctor.

Well, I appreciate your trust in me, thank you very much.

I mean, I do have, I have lots of references

if you ever need to talk to somebody

about how it's worked with their family.

I can assure you, it's a little bit nerve-wracking

to go through it first, but it really does work,

and it brings you closer together,

and then at some point, you don't even need therapy, right?

I'm trying to get you to a point

where you don't even need me anymore,

you just have each other, right, to work through this.

That's what we want, that's what we want.

Good, I love that.

Okay, well, so to get started,

we're gonna do things that are a little more shocking.

So what we have at home is you are finding her intimates,

her intimate apparel, right?

And is there a certain specific kind

of thing that you prefer,

like a lacier item or a certain color?

I mean, I feel like everything's fine,

I mean, as long as it's hers, you know?

Sure, and when you find these items,

are you imagining her in the items when you're aroused?

Sometimes, yeah.

Okay, and how does that make you feel, Alexa?

I'm not too sure how I feel about that.

Understandable, understandable, sure.

Do I have to answer that?

You don't have to now, you don't have to now.

I think it was brave of you to even admit this.

And so, you know, sometimes when we're at home

and we have these urges, there are these items,

or, you know, maybe you see your mom getting dressed

or in the shower or something like that,

and it's totally normal to have those urges,

and that's okay to hear that, really.

You know, it really is, it's normal and natural.

So for this kind of exposure therapy,

if you're imagining her in the items already,

we're gonna go a little step further,

and what we're gonna do is we're gonna have her

show you herself in those items, in person, in real time.

Oh, are you sure that this is what we should be doing?

I know it's unconventional, I can promise you it works.

I have reviews online that speak about this exposure therapy

and it's literally exposure therapy.

All right. - We are actually exposing.

I love 'em with that.

I'm sorry, I can't, I'm just waiting.

Yeah. - Yeah.

And it's okay if you feel aroused.

This is part of it that it is a little extreme,

but we're gonna get to the point where

you're gonna see her bras and underwear

and either think nothing or get very aroused,

but it's okay. - Okay.

So just take my blouse off?

Yes, perfect, yes, and I wanna make sure

you're looking, Anthony, okay?

Okay, yeah.

Is that one of the items you have looked at in the past?

Yeah. - It is, okay.

Wonderful, and so how are you feeling then

when you're looking at her in this item of clothing

that you have previously seen?

I'm excited. - You're excited, okay.

I mean, I know that probably makes you

a little uncomfortable, Alexis, but isn't it nice,

let's kind of reframe it, that your son here

is excited to see you?

That's a little refreshing, yeah.

As long as we're making progress,

that's all I worry about. - Right, right.

He's not ignoring you playing video games.

He's actually focused on you. - Yes.

You know, he sees you.

So I think that's nice and, you know,

I mean, I know this is a lot,

but it's supposed to feel a little uncomfortable.

That's kind of part of it, so.

We're okay and we can leave everything in this room.

You know, we can leave all this discomfort

in this room when we leave, so let's just keep going.

And then, so if I could have you, then, stand up.

Just take the dress off?

Yeah, stand up and then we're gonna expose the rest of it.

Okay. - Yeah, okay.

So you're gonna unzip it,

and then if you'll stop right there,

I'm gonna have Anthony actually help you

take off the rest of it so he can get close to you

and you can experience this together.

Okay, just listen to Dr. Hickory,

she knows what she's doing.

There we go.

See, now we're working together as a team

instead of him hiding something from you.

Great, wonderful.

I can see why he takes your items, that's beautiful.

It's so great with your skin color, it's so lovely.

All right, wonderful, now just turn around for me.

Perfect, I want him to see the entire item.

Okay, wonderful.

And then in this item, Anthony,

will you tell me where you released your fluids?

Oh, in that part, okay, wow, all right.

And how does that make you feel?

I'm okay with it, I'm okay with it.

Okay, all right.

Wonderful, so we're taking away the shame of your behavior.

So I think that's fantastic, wonderful.

I can have you sit down.

Now I want you to sit very close to each other.

Perfect, wonderful.

And I want, I just feel like we could do

a little more exposure.

Usually I put this out into a few therapy sessions,

but you both are doing so well and I'm so impressed.

That, yeah, so what I'm gonna do next

is I am actually going to join in the exposure therapy

part of it so that you can see it's totally normal

and natural to have sexy lingerie that you're wearing out

and just to see if you maybe feel a different way

when it's someone who is not a family member of yours.

So I'm just gonna show you really quickly here.

And this is very normal for me,

it's just all of my sessions I usually do this.

Yeah, it's a very specific type of therapy

we studied in college.

Very effective.

So this is the lingerie that I am wearing, right?

Beautiful. - Thank you.

Yeah, yeah, and so, okay, and this one you like as well.

Okay, fantastic, great, I'm so glad.

Wonderful, so we are gonna move forward with this exposure,

but first I'd like to kind of check in with you, Anthony,

about your arousal levels.

Do you feel like it's more aroused

now that I have also done something?

Yeah, it is. - It is, okay.

Okay, so then it's not just you,

it's not just specifically focused on family,

which is a relief, I think, to all of us.

Yes, it's definitely.

It's just how boys are,

so it's nothing that's abnormal, wonderful.

Great, okay, so now that we know

that that's your level of arousal,

what we're gonna do is we're actually gonna bring it up

another notch, so I'm gonna join you on this couch.

I know it's a little tight, but just shift over, please.

Thank you.

So you'll probably notice that your heart rate

has gone up a little bit,

and everything's a little bit more intense,

so this does up the exposure.

Is everybody kind of getting a little bit closer?

And so we're gonna see how your levels of arousal are

when it is your mom here,

and then when it is a non-family member,

and we're just gonna up that exposure as we go along, okay?

You guys ready?

Yeah. - Yeah, okay, wonderful.

So if I could have you expose your breasts, please.

And have you seen those before?

I mean, maybe not necessarily with her knowing.

Right, okay, okay, but now she does know,

and she is okay with it, right?

Perfect.

And then I'm gonna do mine as well.

Sorry, Jenna.

There.

So now, you can see both of ours,

and we're telling you that it's okay.

Are you all right with this?

Yeah. - Okay, good.

Yeah, you're doing a great job here, too.

And so the next step is to bring in touch.

Okay, so we already have our sense of sight involved,

but you've done that before.

You've done that in your home,

where you've seen her shower change without her knowing,

but you've seen things.

I assume you probably haven't touched.

Is that okay?

No, I haven't stopped.

No, I could tell by the discomfort

at the beginning of the session

that that probably hadn't been expected.

And you're sure this is okay?

You do this all the time with your other clients?

Yes, yes, of course, of course.

I would never bring you through something

that wasn't clinically studied and shown to work, absolutely.

So we are gonna move to the touch stage,

and I'm gonna have you place a hand on one of her brows.

Yeah, that's perfect.

See, he wants to get closer to you.

He's already squeezing.

So I am assuming there's probably

a higher level of arousal.

Wonderful, and I love that I have that confirmation from you,

but I would also actually like to see

and confirm with my sight

that there is a higher level of arousal.

So if I could have you unbutton here

and expose yourself as well.

Okay.

Yep, standard practice.

All right.

Yep, all right, let's see.

Yeah, there's definitely some arousal there.

Yes, there is.

There is.

Okay, so we're all being honest with each other,

and that's wonderful.

Yep, and you just go right to touching it,

which is pretty standard with this age range

of just an automatic wanting to touch.

Right, and since you do have the urge to touch,

I'm gonna have you actually touch my breast hair

with your other hand.

Okay.

Perfect, wonderful, okay.

I don't know about this, to tell you the truth.

I just, I'm not sure if I feel comfortable.

Oh, wonderful, I hear you,

and I absolutely respect that that's your position,

and it is your body.

Of course you can make that decision.

I just, I would like to say that I'm really impressed

with the progress that we're making here,

and I think you should just give it one more shot.

I mean, do I have to tell my husband about this?

I don't know if I want your father knowing about this.

I mean, I won't say anything.

And that's okay, it's okay.

This, as I said before, is a really safe space.

This is a place where you can explore any of your feelings,

where you can bond with your son here,

and it's absolutely private and confidential.

My notes will not go out to anyone,

and there's no recording or anything.

All right, perfect then.

I guess nobody else knows about this.

No, and I give you permission to enjoy

to whatever level feels comfortable to you, too.

We can see that he's enjoying it,

so I want to give you that permission as well.

All right, all right, let's go forward then.

Okay, wonderful, great.

Thank you for trusting me, both of you.

I really appreciate that.

Well, I can see that you both are now pretty aroused.

Is that correct?

That's wonderful.

I mean, I'll admit, I kind of am, too.

And I think we should just keep going

as long as we're comfortable.

And the more that we can be exposed

to this more extreme sexual behavior,

the better it will be when you go home with each other.

Does that sound good?

Okay, perfect.

All right, all right.

You're perfectly natural.

Yeah, right, you like this?

Yeah.

You like this?

Is this all right?

Good clients, yes.

I mean, I'm very impressed.

Oh, not very impressed.

Yes, keep going.

Perfect.

(both moaning)

I feel like this is bringing you

both closer together already.

I think it is.

Mm-hmm.

I think it is.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This is a good exercise.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, just keep going.

I think I'm gonna go with my level of arousal as well.

(both laughing)

(both moaning)

Your son is a great cock.

Yes, he is.

(both laughing)

The more you get into it, the better it'll work.

(both moaning)

Definitely make sure your husband

doesn't know about this.

I'm gonna not fight it.

I'm just gonna hang up.

I'm not saying anything.

(both moaning)

(both moaning)

That's great, that's great.

Just keep going with it.

I thought you were such an attractive patient.

My job is easy.

(both moaning)

She's so pretty, second cock.

(both moaning)

I'm just doing my job.

(moaning)

Such good enthusiasm.

(kissing)

That's right, we're just gonna keep going.

Farther and farther.

You know exactly what to do.

I think I do.

Just get right on top.

(both moaning)

Oh wow.

(both moaning)

Oh fuck, yes.

(moaning)

Just take the head sanitizer.

Fuck you're thing for me, there we go.

(both moaning)

Oh fuck.

(both moaning)

Oh my God.

That felt so good.

(both moaning)

Oh my God, fuck.

(both moaning)

Yes, fuck.

Oh wow.

(both moaning)

Oh my God.

(both moaning)

Sorry.

Oh wow, fuck.

(both moaning)

Oh fuck.

Yes, fuck.

Oh my God.

Oh yes.

Wow.

(both moaning)

Oh you're so heavy.

Oh shit.

Oh my gosh, yes.

(both moaning)

Yes, yes, yes.

Oh fuck.

(both moaning)

Oh shit.

Oh yes.

Oh my God.

(both moaning)

Oh wow, that's amazing.

You're so committed to each other, making this work.

Fuck yeah.

(both moaning)

Here you go, here you go.

Oh my God.

Sit right on this side.

This side that was here.

Yeah, there you go.

Oh my God.

There you go.

Oh fuck yes.

(both moaning)

Oh my God.

Yes.

Oh fuck.

Oh my God.

Oh my God.

It's good, it's good.

Yeah, it feels amazing.

Oh my God.

Yes.

Oh my God.

Wow, that's good.

Oh fuck.

You want a cussing?

Oh yes.

Sorry.

(both moaning)

Oh my God.

Fuck yes.

Yes, your sense of cum feels so good.

(both moaning)

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Fuck yes.

Oh my God.

Oh my God.

Oh yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Oh yes.

Really?

Is that okay?

Oh my God.

Oh yes.

Fuck.

Oh my God.

Fuck.

(both moaning)

Oh my God, yes, that feels so good.

Fuck, that feels so good.

Oh yes.

Oh yes.

Oh my God, yes.

Oh my God.

Oh yes.

(both moaning)

I think the next step would be for him

to fuck you from behind, right?

(both moaning)

Fuck yes.

Oh wow, oh my God.

Oh my God.

Oh fuck.

Oh, so pretty.

Thank you.

Oh my God.

Oh yes.

There you go.

See?

It's okay that you're fucking a loser, it's great.

Yeah, right, it feels great?

Oh my God, yes.

Oh yes, you're my pussy.

Oh wow.

Yes.

Okay, I think I need you deeper.

There we go.

Fuck.

(both moaning)

Oh my God.

There we go, there we go.

Oh wow.

(both moaning)

Oh yes, right in my face.

Right in my face.

Oh yes.

(both moaning)

Oh my God.

Yes.

You're doing such a good job, both of you.

I'm so impressed.

Oh yes.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

So great, both of you.

Oh fuck.

Oh.

Oh wow.

(both moaning)

I miss you, fucker.

See, working together as a team now.

(both laughing)

Yes, give in to your arousal.

That feels so good.

(both moaning)

Oh yes.

Fuck.

Oh my God.

Oh God.

(both moaning)

Oh my God.

Oh my God, this feels so good, fuck.

Oh my God.

Oh fuck.

Oh God.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Fuck.

Oh.

Shit.

Oh man.

Fuck.

Oh.

(both moaning)

Oh, your son is good?

Oh my God.

You should be proud of him.

Yeah, I am proud.

Yeah.

Oh fuck.

Oh my God.

Yeah.

Oh.

Oh fuck.

Oh.

(both moaning)

Oh fuck.

Oh fuck.

(both moaning)

Oh my God.

Oh, it's so good.

Oh yes.

Oh, you're so encouraging.

This is good.

(both moaning)

Oh yes, yes.

Oh my God.

Yes.

Oh my God.

Oh yes.

Oh fuck.

Yeah.

(both moaning)

Yes.

(kissing sounds)

Amazing, oh my God.

Fuck.

Oh yes.

Oh fuck.

Oh.

Oh God.

Let me taste your pussy.

Let me taste your pussy.

(both moaning)

Wow.

Oh wow.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh yeah.

Oh my God.

Oh yes.

Oh.

Oh my God.

Oh fuck.

Oh my God, yes.

Oh fuck.

Oh my God.

Oh baby.

Yeah.

(both moaning)

I know I want to taste that pussy.

(both moaning)

Oh my God.

(both moaning)

I'm gonna need you now, son.

(both moaning)

Oh my God.

Oh, right in there, no hesitation.

Such a good boy.

Yeah.

(both moaning)

Oh that looks amazing.

That feels amazing.

Yeah.

Oh fuck yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Oh God.

There we go.

There we go.

Okay.

(both moaning)

(both moaning)

Follow instructions.

Mm.

Oh my God.

Oh yes.

Oh yes.

Right there, right there, son.

Just like that, just like that.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh shit.

(both moaning)

Oh fuck.

Oh my God, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Rub my lip, rub my lip, rub my lip.

(both moaning)

Oh shit.

Oh my God, yes.

Oh shit.

Oh fuck.

(moaning)

Oh my God, it's so good.

Oh boy.

(moaning)

Fuck.

Oh, there we go.

It's getting boozy in some way, it's quite good.

Feel like it's working, everyone?

Yeah?

Okay.

(laughing)

(moaning)

(moaning)

(moaning)

Oh, oh, oh.

Oh God.

Yeah.

Oh my God, yes.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh my God, yes.

(moaning)

Oh, yes, yes.

Oh my God.

(moaning)

(moaning)

(moaning)

I think it's one of my favorite sessions.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

(moaning)

(moaning)

Yes, oh my God.

(moaning)

Yes.

(moaning)

Oh my God.

(moaning)

Yes.

(moaning)

Oh.

Oh my God, yes, yes.

Oh my God.

(moaning)

Feels so good.

Oh, stop.

Oh my God.

Yes, I'm sick, it's so big.

(moaning)

(moaning)

Yes, yes.

Yes, oh my God.

(moaning)

Yes.

(moaning)

Oh my God.

(moaning)

(moaning)

(moaning)

Oh my God.

(moaning)

(moaning)

Got it.

(moaning)

Oh my God.

(moaning)

(moaning)

We're getting really close to the end of our time together

and I have more clients, so we have to close out the session

and I'm gonna show you exactly how we're gonna do that,

okay, all right.

I'm gonna have you pull out here.

Okay, we're gonna put your mom right where I was, okay.

This'll be your final exercise.

And we're gonna bring you as close as we can together.

All right?

Okay.

Okay, go deep inside of her.

And I'm gonna have you fuck her

until she makes you come, okay.

It's gonna be really important

that you're gonna come for us

and this will solidify your bond together

and you'll have this wonderful memory when you go home, okay.

Yeah, yeah.

Wonderful, so keep fucking.

(moaning)

Yeah, and then right before you come,

I have you look deep into her eyes.

You're gonna pull out and then you're gonna

go all over our faces just like it's her lingerie, okay.

Okay.

Okay, wonderful.

Fuck her nice and deep for me, okay.

Make your mom feel good.

Oh, yeah, right there.

(moaning)

Oh, yeah.

Oh, you can see how good your bond is.

This is wonderful.

So good.

(moaning)

Oh, yeah, right there, right there, right there.

(moaning)

Oh.

(moaning)

Yes, yes, yes.

There you go.

(moaning)

(moaning)

Amazing.

Wow.

Well, do you feel closer?

Yeah, I think it worked.

I feel much closer.

Oh, you should see what I have in store

for your next session.

I'm excited.