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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,055 NARRATOR: Firearms officers serving West Yorkshire Police 2 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,495 are arresting a man outside his home in Leeds. 3 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,295 A woman has been stabbed. 4 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,295 Forensic teams are dispatched to the scene. 5 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,615 The stabbing is in a basement flat in Headingley. 6 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:17,655 The victim has been rushed to hospital by medics 7 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,855 to try and save her life. 8 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,415 Forensic crime scene manager jasmine White 9 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,215 is briefed by the first officers to arrive on the scene. 10 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,575 So, once we've arrived, ambulance have been called, six, 11 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,335 and they've been doing CPR. 12 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,775 So the female is laid, essentially, in the doorway 13 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,295 of the front of the address. CPR is ongoing. 14 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,055 Um, extensive bleeding, 15 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,575 which can be seen throughout the whole of the room. 16 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,935 Um, so, whether she was found like that, 17 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,935 whether she'd been moved in some capacity, I'm not sure. 18 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,935 Is it a shared flat? Yes, it is. It's a one-bedroom flat. 19 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,815 However, um, our victim has been staying 20 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,535 in what is classified as the living room. 21 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,935 So that's the front room, as soon as you walk in. 22 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:02,815 Ancl you'll see a mattress to the left-hand side, 23 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,335 and that's been her bedroom. 24 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:08,735 Police call the period 25 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,895 straight after a serious crime "the golden hour", 26 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:14,295 the optimum time to gather forensic evidence. 27 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,775 That could be hers, I would think. 28 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,055 But it's been cut off her, aren't it? 29 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:25,495 So I don't know if that's them. 30 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:30,935 We found a T-shirt out here that's... 31 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,375 Think it's likely to be the victim's. 32 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,135 I can see it's been cut. 33 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,575 I'm not sure whether it's been cut by paramedics 34 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,695 or whether it's stab wounds ancl she was wearing it at the time. 35 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,815 The forensic team must gather as much evidence as possible 36 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,175 before the weather washes away vital clues. 37 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,375 I'd quite like to get that recovered now. 38 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:01,935 Excellent. 39 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,975 The victim rents a room in a shared flat. 40 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,455 We have got quite a lot of blood around. 41 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,855 We've got sort of really thick, congealed blood here over this side. 42 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,855 Ancl then we've got some more sort of 43 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,735 what looks diluted blood on the sofa. 44 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,415 Ancl we've also got something that's going up the wall. 45 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,655 It's hard for me to say what that might be. 46 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,815 We've got quite a lot of footprints in blood. 47 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,775 But we're mindful there's been an awful lot of people coming in here. 48 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,135 Um, paramedics, police. 49 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,095 But obviously, what we're interested in is the suspect's footprints. 50 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,815 Um, which is why we're using the stepping plates 51 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:07,935 to protect the floor. 52 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:12,615 We've got quite a lot of spatter on the floor as well, 53 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,935 but that could be from the incident. 54 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:16,775 It could be post-incident. 55 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,855 There's a chair on the bed. 56 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,095 The bed looks a bit dishevelled, but other than that, 57 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:29,255 pretty much everything else looks neat and tidy. 58 00:05:29,280 --> 00:05:31,055 It's making me wonder. 59 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,975 Like, it's not like there's been a struggle to the point 60 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,575 where everything's thrown everywhere and there's things knocked over. 61 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,495 It all seems very concentrated to just this area. 62 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,175 Yeah, I think this black thing is part of a bra 63 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,495 and the other bits behind me. 64 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,135 I don't know where the rest of her bra is 65 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:58,855 unless it's on her. 66 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,135 The victim dies in hospital from a suspected stab wound. 67 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,975 The lady has been treated at the scene 68 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,855 and then taken to Leeds General Infirmary, 69 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,535 where she's been pronounced deceased. 70 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,535 This is now a murder investigation. 71 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,055 The on-duty senior detective arrives at the scene. 72 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,255 Be careful. I mean, it's so slippy. 73 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,495 This is where all the congealed blood is. 74 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,895 We've managed to document the blood, make an interpretation of the scene. 75 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,655 It's quite tidy as a scene. 76 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,855 It's gonna have a look in the kitchen. 77 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:52,575 I've been asked to sort out a CSI for the deceased at hospital 78 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,095 because she needs to be examined, photographed, 79 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,415 forensically recovered for a forensic postmortem. 80 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,335 The evidence gathered by forensics 81 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,535 will inform the investigation by the homicide team. 82 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,615 There's no sign of blood 83 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,975 or any disturbance in the kitchen, bathroom. 84 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,415 I would say other than obviously this, 85 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,655 everything else looks pretty tidy. 86 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:20,175 Doesn't seem like there's been a sign of a prolonged struggle. 87 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:21,295 No. 88 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,335 Cos I feel like there's quite a lot of things 89 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,215 that could have been pulled over, knocked over, 90 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:28,695 and there's just nothing. 91 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:33,095 Were the keys already there? When I came in, yeah. All right, OK. 92 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,295 No sign of forced entry? No. 93 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,935 It is evidence of, like, a... A man's room. 94 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,295 There's a mobile phone over here, isn't there? 95 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,055 One mobile phone is found at the scene. 96 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,815 It belongs to the lodger in the room next door. 97 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,815 Is that Wi-Fi? Yeah. 98 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,415 The victim's phone is missing. 99 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,175 There's leads for an iPhone there, but I've not seen... 100 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,535 There's just one in there, isn't there? Yes. 101 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,935 So far, there's no sign of a crucial element. 102 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,215 The murder weapon. 103 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,495 It's got vegetables on it. 104 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,455 From the victim's wounds, 105 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,975 the team are focusing on the search for a large knife. 106 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,975 'Working towards the hypothesis that it was a knife. 107 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,815 'That's what I needed to be looking for, 108 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,215 'but keeping an open mind if it was any other weapon.' 109 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,855 Looks interesting. 110 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,055 Be interested to know whether he's come with a knife 111 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,695 just to do that instant. 112 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,815 NARRATOR: A woman in Leeds has been murdered 113 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,015 in a vicious stabbing in her own home. 114 00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:06,135 The Homicide and Major Enquiry Team gathers for its first briefing, 115 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:10,135 led by Detective Superintendent Emma Winfield. 116 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,295 Good morning, everybody. Thank you for joining us so quickly. 117 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:17,695 So, at 19:20 last night, I received a call notifying me 118 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,895 of a potential murder and awaiting further information. 119 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:25,215 An injured party had been transported to LGI. 120 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,015 So, I went to the hospital 121 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,295 to understand our victim and the injuries. 122 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,935 Our victim is Harleen Kaur. 123 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:33,495 She has long, dark hair. 124 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,855 There was matting of blood in her hair, 125 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,375 but we couldn't see any injuries to her head. 126 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,655 There was obviously medical intervention 127 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:41,815 that had been stitched up, 128 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,655 and then she had the stab wound to the top of her left breast. 129 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:47,775 Her hands did have cuts, 130 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,415 slice marks to both hands on her fingers, 131 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,895 which I'd identify as self-defence marks. 132 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,735 The forensic lead, Kate Whitehead, 133 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,615 works alongside the detectives and brings them up to speed. 134 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,975 So, Kate, what's been done so far? 135 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,175 So far, they've been in and taking general photographs. 136 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:08,855 There are some footwear marks in blood. 137 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,615 Clothing, the T-shirt and the bra has been recovered. 138 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:17,615 Ancl the iPhone in the rear bedroom has been swabbed and seized. 139 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,415 No major disturbance elsewhere in the flat, 140 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,935 and two knives were noted in the kitchen, 141 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,215 but no obvious blood staining on those. 142 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,975 The deceased at LGI, 143 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,775 the victim, she has been photographed. 144 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,255 Clothing seized and bagged. 145 00:10:32,680 --> 00:10:35,015 As forensic practitioners, 146 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:36,935 we do work and are employed by the police, 147 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,295 but we have to remain impartial. 148 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,535 'We're there to find, recover and collect evidence 149 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:45,775 'that might prove somebody's involvement in the case. 150 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,655 'But it also might disprove their involvement in the case. 151 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:50,895 'So we have to be really unbiased.' 152 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,095 The initial 999 call came in from the lodger 153 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,295 who lives in the room next door to the victim. 154 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,575 So, at 18:27, police were contacted by a witness, 155 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,815 and he reports an ongoing fight at that address. 156 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,055 Ancl he lives in the shared house and is in the basement flat. 157 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,535 The police quickly rule out any relationship 158 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:21,815 between the lodger and Harleen Kaur. 159 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,335 But he names a potential suspect, 160 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,575 and a firearms team is immediately dispatched to the suspect's flat. 161 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,615 The address linked to the suspect, 162 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,135 which the suspect was arrested from, 163 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,495 is a first-floor flat. 164 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,855 Firearms officers have gone in to clear that address. 165 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:45,295 They found a bloodied knife. 166 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,255 I intend to have senior CSI go back today, 167 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,455 and myself will have a bit of a closer look at the blood staining. 168 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,335 Suspect has been photographed, had samples taken. 169 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,415 We've also photographed the bottom of his footwear 170 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,535 to see if it marries up with the footwear in the address. 171 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:12,215 The case has been assigned to Detective Inspector Amanda Sykes, 172 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,775 who'll now take over the investigation. 173 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,935 Thanks, guys. Right. We'll come back to you in a bit. 174 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,175 Thank you very much. 175 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,375 With the suspect in custody, 176 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,815 a full forensic search of his flat is ordered. 177 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:42,295 We're looking for blood transfer from the main scene. 178 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,015 We're looking for a weapon, 179 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,295 and the suggestion there could be a knife 180 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:47,815 on a coffee table in there. 181 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,135 Mobile phones, again, if we see those in the scene, 182 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,655 they'll be recorded, swabbed and recovered 183 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:56,015 cos we need to get the user's DNA off of them. 184 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:05,575 The area outside the flat is also meticulously searched. 185 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,775 Done? Yeah, nothing. OK. 186 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,575 Brilliant. Excellent. Nothing in there, I take it? Nothing. 187 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,415 Brilliant. Thanks, Mick. Cheers for that. 188 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,735 You all right with this bit here? 189 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,615 Yeah. We'll move our kit across. 190 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,135 Blood-stained knife. Second knife. 191 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,095 So we got the knife pack. 192 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:41,055 It's like the shapes there fit those two knives. 193 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,455 So there's one, two, three, four, two knives there, two there. 194 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,415 Scissors there. Scissors there. Got them three pins through angles. 195 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,055 Not much there, I think. 196 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,455 So has he gone shopping for a new set of knives? 197 00:13:54,560 --> 00:13:57,135 If we do recover a murder weapon, 198 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,535 one of the most important things that we try and do 199 00:13:59,560 --> 00:14:03,455 is to link the victim and the suspect to that same weapon. 200 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:08,335 'If we can do that through DNA or fingerprints, that's ideal.' 201 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,135 Well, if we get the victim on the blade and him on the handle, 202 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:13,695 I think, yeah... 203 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,575 Ancl a mobile phone. Is that stained there? 204 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,655 Yeah, I think this phone looks like it's blood contaminated as well. 205 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:26,215 So it might be worth not swabbing it as it might want... 206 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,575 A bit more work on it. 207 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,935 Ancl then we've got a couple of destroyed mobile phones, 208 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,215 and there's some blood staining on the back of this one. 209 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,815 Oh, right. OK. 210 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,295 Yes. And I wonder if one of these is her phone. 211 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,935 We won't do any form of disruptive search. 212 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,015 We'll leave that for follow-up. 213 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,735 We'll just deal with what's in front of us. 214 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,655 Like a jigsaw puzzle. 215 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,015 I think that screen goes with that. 216 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,695 That lot goes with that screen. Mm-hm. 217 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,335 With key items recovered for testing in the lab, 218 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,575 forensic blood pattern analysts arrive at the victim's flat. 219 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,215 The interpretation of the patterns of blood 220 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,975 that are present at the crime scene can tell us a lot. 221 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,335 'There may be contact staining, 222 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:22,215 'which is where a person or an item has made contact with a surface. 223 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,895 'There might be blood drips and a trail which can be followed. 224 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:27,575 'There might be splatter, 225 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,895 'which is suggestive of impact strikes into wet blood. 226 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:33,335 'There might be expirated blood, 227 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,255 'which is where somebody has breathed out 228 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,015 'when they've got blood in their chest cavity. 229 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:42,015 'So the presence of blood at the crime scene is quite basic, 230 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,575 'but it's all the interpretation that comes after that 231 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,255 'that help paints a picture and the story 232 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,775 'of what's gone off at that crime scene.' 233 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,655 Laura Lewis is a forensic biologist 234 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,375 specialising in blood-spatter analysis. 235 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,015 So, there's no blood anywhere except in the lounge. 236 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,535 Apart from this door here, we've got some smear contact. 237 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,415 So, there's some drips of blood on the floor just there. 238 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,295 Who they're from, I can't tell you till the DNA's come back. 239 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,375 And then as you come across onto the arm of the sofa there, 240 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,735 there's some runs of blood down the side. 241 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,215 So it could be, for example, a bloodstained hand. 242 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,295 But again, until I've got the DNA, I don't want to say who that is. 243 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,495 So I'm going to put two markers down. 244 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:32,975 Markers are used to highlight 245 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,175 where blood is located on the crime scene photos. 246 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,295 The arrows point to the direction of the blood spray. 247 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,295 On the sofa base on top of it, 248 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,175 we've got lots of drips, possibly some arterial rain as well. 249 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,175 There's further arterial going up the wall. 250 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:50,815 Ancl then we've got some more staining 251 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,095 down on the right-hand side. 252 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:54,655 That could be more arterial, 253 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,295 but because there's a lot less stains in that pattern, 254 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,655 I can't rule out it could also be cast off. 255 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,455 So "fluck" off from someone's bloodstained hand. 256 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,495 So again, I'd recommend sampling 257 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,815 in case it's your offender with a hand injury. 258 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,295 Really heavy contact staining on this central part of the sofa 259 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,655 that's actually soaked through the leather. 260 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,935 Ancl it's also cooling slightly. Ancl it's all over there. 261 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,015 There's the bed sheet as well. 262 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,295 So I think your deceased has been in contact 263 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,015 with that part of the sofa. 264 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:24,975 They were probably kneeling or leant onto it 265 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,335 when she's bleeding significantly. 266 00:17:27,360 --> 00:17:29,295 And then she's gone down onto the floor. 267 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,015 In terms of on the floor, 268 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,695 there's very little projected blood from someone struggling. 269 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,535 There's not lots of spray or spatter around 270 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,095 that would suggest that she's been struggling, particularly. 271 00:17:38,120 --> 00:17:39,855 So I think when she's down, that's it. 272 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,615 Then on the door, we've got the contact there, 273 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,295 which is roughly knee height. 274 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,215 Ancl then there's contact on the door handle. 275 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,735 So if you actually position yourself sort of leaving, 276 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,095 that's kind of where you would do that. 277 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:57,455 Ancl if you maybe graze your knee on the way out. 278 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,815 OK. So again, I'm sampling both of those 279 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,375 because that could be, for example, 280 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,135 suspect's clothing with victim's blood, 281 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,335 and that could be subject with a hand injury. 282 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,175 Over three days, 283 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,735 eight forensic experts have worked on the murder scene at the flat. 284 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,255 Their findings are immediately forwarded to the homicide team. 285 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,015 Our suspect is Satpreet Singh Gandhi. 286 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,855 He was arrested close to his home address. 287 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,215 He's described as being covered in blood. 288 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:35,975 He's got blood on the knee of his jeans. 289 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,415 He's got a cut to his hand. 290 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,415 He's got blood on his trainers. 291 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,215 He's got blood to the rear of his jeans and his left pocket 292 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,215 into the rear of his left shirt. 293 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,735 And he was taken to Elland Road Police Station. 294 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,775 So, we've submitted a number of items to the lab for analysis. 295 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,655 The suspect's clothing. Some clothing from the victim. 296 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,095 'The clothing is going to be submitted to the lab 297 00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:08,815 'to see whether there is any presence 298 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,175 'of the victim's blood on that clothing. 299 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,375 Ancl the scientists at the lab will perhaps be able 300 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,775 to provide some interpretation around the blood staining, 301 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,935 which will assist in determining the sequence of events 302 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,215 and also prove that the suspect had contact 303 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,055 with the victim when she was bleeding. 304 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,375 At the suspect's flat, 305 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,615 a second forensic team is assessing a potential murder weapon. 306 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:40,575 So, we've got a bloodstained knife on the coffee table. 307 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:45,935 No discernible pattern in it. It's kind of smeared down the blade. 308 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:47,895 Again, I haven't got measurements yet for you, 309 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,175 but it looks about three centimetres in width, 310 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,135 perhaps 20 in length. 311 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,815 But the knife isn't all they find. 312 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,815 Oh, yes. That's the other thing. Yeah. 313 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,095 There's handwritten notes. 314 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:08,855 Now, they're under one of the... Well, actually, under both knives. 315 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,775 So when we recover them, we'll photograph those 316 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,095 and then recover that as a collected item. 317 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:16,295 We'll box that up. 318 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,255 Ah, single-sided. 319 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,455 Police inquiries have resulted in revelations 320 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:42,775 about the relationship between the suspect and the victim, Harleen. 321 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,735 The victim doesn't have any family in England. 322 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:51,175 So she's got a brother, her mother and father in India. 323 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,495 So they've been notified over the telephone. 324 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,975 Looking at our victim and suspect, 325 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,815 inquiries identify that the suspect and our victim are husband and wife. 326 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,255 NARRATOR: Harleen Kaur has been brutally murdered. 327 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,935 Police are now building the case against the prime suspect, 328 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:20,895 her estranged husband. 329 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,295 THEY CONFER 330 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:34,455 Satpreet Singh was previously married 331 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,215 to Harleen's older sister, um, in India. 332 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,975 Um, she died of a heart attack in India, we're told. 333 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,695 He then went on to marry Harleen afterwards. 334 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,615 This was something that we looked into as a team, 335 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:47,935 as a line of inquiry, 336 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,375 to understand the nature of that relationship 337 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,775 and how that relationship had come to a conclusion. 338 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,655 The police need to tread carefully as they inquire 339 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,615 about the death of Harleen's older sister. 340 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,455 'We asked the local police to give us some information 341 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,055 'in relation to the nature of that, ancl we also asked the family.' 342 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,895 They provided us with a death certificate, 343 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:16,295 and it became apparent that the death was by natural causes. 344 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,695 'So there was no suggestion of criminality. 345 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,175 'No lines of inquiry for the investigation team to follow. 346 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,055 'For me, it's a tragedy. 347 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,055 'We've now got a family that have lost 348 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,335 'both of their female adult children.' 349 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,735 Satpreet Singh had one child with Harleen's older sister 350 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,775 and since had another child with Harleen. 351 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,975 Him and Harleen were raising both those children 352 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,335 prior to them separating and Harleen's death. 353 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,655 Both children were with their grandparents in India 354 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,015 when the murder happened. 355 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,775 They came to the UK for Harleen to study at university at Leeds. 356 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,655 'He came along with her as her husband. 357 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,655 'She did her studies, began working, 358 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,975 'and met a big group of friends at university and through work. 359 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,455 'Ancl I think that's part of what Satpreet Singh has struggled with 360 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,295 'and what's made him quite angry towards her in this case. 361 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,935 'They'd separated, they were living separately, 362 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,295 'so Harleen got the flat at Headingley. 363 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,575 'Satpreet Singh had the flat at Kirkstall 364 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,335 'where he was living on his own.' 365 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:26,455 Six months earlier, Harleen had rented the room 366 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,815 less than a mile away from her estranged husband's flat. 367 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,975 Police were contacted by a witness, and he lives in the shared house. 368 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,695 'And he reports an ongoing domestic at that address.' 369 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,095 On the night of the murder, 370 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:48,735 the lodger was the first to alert the police. 371 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,975 He said the victim was shouting for help and screaming and crying. 372 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,015 He's contacted the police, concerned, 373 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,655 and he's made his way around the properties to the front... 374 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,135 ...where he's waited for police to arrive. 375 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,215 Those first responders are quickly followed by firearms officers 376 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,935 to the suspect's address. 377 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,615 Officers attended at the suspect's home address. 378 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,895 'He was actually in a shop at the other side of the road 379 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,455 'when the officers got there.' 380 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,455 Um, but from the CCTV at the shop, 381 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,895 we knew that he became aware of the officer's presence. 382 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,775 'He's gone outside.' 383 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,295 And the suspect approached the officers. 384 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,255 Almost straightaway, 385 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,495 he's made comments to the effect of, "|'ve killed my wife." 386 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,775 He was arrested on suspicion of Harleen's murder. 387 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,535 After the apparent confession on his arrest, 388 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,775 Satpreet Singh Gandhi was taken for immediate interview by detectives. 389 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,655 DETECTIVE: I have to remind you that you are under caution, 390 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,735 so you do not have to say anything, 391 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,255 but it may harm your defence if you fail to mention when questioned 392 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,015 something you later rely on in court. 393 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,495 Anything you do say may be given in evidence. 394 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,495 'The caution at the start of the interview says, 395 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,295 ' "You do not have to say anything," so they don't have to speak at all.' 396 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,615 You can say nothing, some things, or talk to us. 397 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,375 If you decide not to say anything., 398 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,015 could you say "no comment" or "no reply"? 399 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,375 But the next part of the caution is really important, 400 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,975 which is, "|t may harm your defence if you do not mention 401 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,335 "when questioned something you later rely on in court." 402 00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:55,535 If you don't say anything today and this matter does go to court, 403 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,175 and then you give an explanation, 404 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,535 and the court thinks it would have been reasonable 405 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,735 to give that explanation now, then it could harm your defence, 406 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,655 and the court or jury could come to their own conclusions 407 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,575 as to why you didn't give that explanation 408 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,055 when interviewed by the police. 409 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,855 'Usually what we do as an investigation team 410 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,375 'when we're interviewing people is do an initial interview, 411 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,735 'ask for an initial account from the suspect.' 412 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,735 We might then ask for a further interview, 413 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,655 where we give a little bit more information, 414 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,695 a little bit more evidence, and then subsequently conduct 415 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,975 what we call a challenge phase interview 416 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,855 with the final evidence, 417 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,135 the information that challenges the suspect's account 418 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,415 that's been given. 419 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,015 So it's to make sure. 420 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,495 People may have it read one time or 300 times. 421 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,215 We have to make sure they understand the caution. 422 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:49,375 While Satpreet Singh Gandhi is being questioned about his wife's murder, 423 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,775 his bloodstained clothes are being forensically analysed. 424 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,575 DETECTIVE: When you were arrested last night, 425 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,575 you were brought into custody. 426 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,135 The clothing that you had on was covered in blood. 427 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,495 Whose blood is that? 428 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,375 No comment. 429 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,455 'Initially, the scientist is looking at the trainer 430 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,175 'through the microscope 431 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,095 'to determine whether they can see any blood staining on the trainer, 432 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:21,855 'and use a specialised light source 433 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,775 'to help visualise any small or fine stains.' 434 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,215 The examinations are carried out in a sterile environment. 435 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,775 'The scientists will lay the clothing out altogether 436 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,335 'as if it was on a person.' 437 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:39,015 So the polo shirt at the top, 438 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,655 the jeans and then the trainers towards the bottom 439 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,215 so that they can look at them all together 440 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,695 and the distribution of blood over all items of the clothing 441 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,615 to help with their interpretation. 442 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,335 'So he's pulling the pockets out 443 00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:54,055 'to see whether there's any blood staining 444 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,735 'on the insides of the pockets.' 445 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,095 We can get a DNA result from the blood, 446 00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:00,655 and then the scientist has to interpret that 447 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,455 and compare it to the profiles from the suspect and the victim. 448 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,215 So, there's been notes left 449 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,895 which were found in the address of our suspect 450 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,295 about how coming to the UK has affected the suspect's life, 451 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,575 how things started to go wrong, 452 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,175 how the victim was making friends 453 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,975 with, uh, males and females and new groups, 454 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,335 how his thoughts have deteriorated, 455 00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:31,695 that she was partying. 456 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,655 He will say that he turned to drink, 457 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,735 and that she wasn't spending time with him. 458 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,575 DETECTIVE: Tell me about Harleen Kaur Gandhi. 459 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,735 No comment. 460 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,295 Tell me about the person she was. 461 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,135 What sort of a person was she? 462 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:53,575 No comment. 463 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,895 The suspect's family in India have come forward 464 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,495 with concerns about his mental health. 465 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,855 He's been sending them messages on WhatsApp. 466 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,615 'A further call comes in at 19:51 .' 467 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,495 And this is from a family friend of the suspect, 468 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,775 and the suspect's family who are in India 469 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,775 have contacted him on WhatsApp, 470 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,215 saying that the suspects raising concerns 471 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,895 that his wants to leave the world and has a had a fight with his wife. 472 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,015 The handwritten notes and the WhatsApp messages 473 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,055 now form a key part of the police evidence. 474 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,975 This is a typed document that was sent 475 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,335 on a family WhatsApp group prior to his arrest. 476 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,575 Family have sent it to friends in England who have given it to us. 477 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,575 It says, "My wife, Harleen Kaur showed me her real face. 478 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,135 "What a bitch she is. 479 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,055 "I have to go in UK. She started hiding things with me." 480 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,135 DETECTIVE: What's your relationship with Harleen been like? 481 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,055 No comment. 482 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,335 Has it been a loving relationship? 483 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,655 No comment. 484 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,255 Have you had fall-outs with her? 485 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:10,895 What is that? 486 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,935 He's seen that as her being secretive. 487 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,375 Ancl him, I think, losing that control 488 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,255 that he thought he had on her. 489 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,175 Were you obsessed with Harleen? 490 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,535 No comment. 491 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:26,095 It's just a young lady enjoying going out with different people. 492 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,735 But he he's seen that as almost like a slur on him 493 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,455 and that something he needs to take control of. 494 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:34,815 Did you hate her? 495 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:38,815 No comments. 496 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,255 'It was shocking at first to get a no comment.' 497 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,175 He was interviewed on three occasions. 498 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,335 Um, quite lengthy interviews, but he's not made any comment. 499 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:50,895 Tell me what happened. 500 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,295 just you know what happened in that address 501 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,975 cos you were present. 502 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,255 Tell me what happened. 503 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:01,535 No comment. 504 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,935 Nah, he's given us no explanation of to why this has happened. 505 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,775 Though the suspect seemed to admit his guilt on arrest, 506 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,455 he still hasn't been charged. 507 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,455 A conviction should mean a life sentence. 508 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,815 But how long the killer serves in prison 509 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,855 depends on whether the murder was premeditated. 510 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,975 Detectives are now exploring any evidence 511 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,495 that the suspect has intended to kill his wife. 512 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,695 DETECTIVE: What has been your reason for going there? 513 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,375 No comment. 514 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,215 'We want the maximum sentence for him. 515 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,415 'He has taken someone's life.' 516 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,255 If his team try and go down the route of saying something 517 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:53,895 to try and get a lesser sentence, 518 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,215 what we try and do is put all our evidence together 519 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,855 and show that this wasn't a one-off. 520 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,855 This was premeditated. This was planned. 521 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,535 Have you arrived there calm, ready to chat? 522 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,055 No comments. 523 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,895 Have you arrived there... 524 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,855 ...worked up and ready to have an argument with her? 525 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,175 No comment. 526 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:25,175 While the suspect continues to say "no comment" in interviews, 527 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,695 a specialist team, known as PolSA, begin detailed searches 528 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,935 at both the crime scene and at the suspect's flat. 529 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,175 It's the only thing, it were in the bin in water. 530 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,415 Get the CSI to double check it. 531 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,295 One of the search team is exhibits officer DC Rachel Kennedy. 532 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,095 We are still missing one knife. 533 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,535 So, that packet, is it the medium one we're missing? 534 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:54,855 Yeah. Yeah. 535 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,615 It's not unusual for searches like this 536 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:05,575 to have hundreds of exhibits and take days to complete. 537 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,215 I now you said laptops were on the list. 538 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,895 It's an Apple MacBook. Right. 539 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,295 He's got a roll of little ones. I say, "Roll with it." 540 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,175 That should be... Fantastic. Thank you ever so much. 541 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,215 One of the most important things when you're dealing with exhibits 542 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,775 is being exact. 543 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,415 So what you've got, 544 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,935 and particularly where it's been seized from. 545 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,815 If we find passport or ID cards from India, 546 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,095 particularly of the suspect and the victim, 547 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,415 they might help us. 548 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,295 Um, and the other one was, if you do happen to find any paperwork 549 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,615 that looks like he's trying to get things in order, 550 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,935 anything to do with life insurance or anything like that, please. 551 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,935 This accurate recording of items found during the search 552 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,135 could prove crucial at trial. 553 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,295 Say, for example, you had some CCTV 554 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,855 of an offender running behind a car 555 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,135 and behind that car, you found a knife, 556 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,455 then, you know, it's really important 557 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,455 to say where the exhibit was found. 558 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,895 'Ancl it may link in with other evidence, 559 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,735 'other corroborative evidence 560 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,095 'that is provided to the investigation.' 561 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,415 So, yeah. So, that was on the top shelf. 562 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,775 There was these... What do you think that is? Is that a visa? 563 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,135 Right, OK. So that needs to come separately. 564 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,495 I can get... If it's bloodstained. 565 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,335 just anything with any potential blood staining on it, then. 566 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,735 DETECTIVE: The knife was located at the address with blood on the blade. 567 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,615 Can you tell me about that knife? 568 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,175 No comment. 569 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,975 How did that knife get into your flat? 570 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,535 No comment. 571 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,735 Will you be forensically linked to that knife 572 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,015 by your fingerprints or DNA? 573 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,175 No comment. 574 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,975 Will the blood on that knife... 575 00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:09,495 ...be that of Harleen's. 576 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:12,975 No comments. 577 00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:26,015 To pursue a charge of murder, 578 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,855 the police must establish the killing was premeditated. 579 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,535 They're reviewing the suspect's WhatsApp messages 580 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,935 to gain an insight into his state of mind. 581 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:39,095 Well, it's almost like a diary entry of, um, a summary of what he's... 582 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,495 what he perceives him and Harleen have gone through. 583 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,175 Um, it's just full of emotion 584 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,935 and kind of jumps about from topic to topic. 585 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,655 Um, clearly written with some emotion 586 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,855 and some anger in parts of it as well. 587 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,255 It says, "She had gone in a world 588 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,135 "where she just didn't want to listen to me 589 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,815 "and do whatever she wanted." 590 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,375 Ancl again, that seems she was no longer obeying him. 591 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,495 Ancl I think that's a big motive for him doing what he's clone. 592 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,455 DETECTIVE: Did Harleen change? 593 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,095 Did her attitude change? Did her way...? 594 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,335 Did her feelings towards you change in that time? 595 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,455 No comment. 596 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,335 He says, in July 2021, 597 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,175 "I hacked her mobile for the first time." 598 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,695 That'll be really important in the sentencing 599 00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:28,055 that he's hacked her phone 600 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,415 and that kind of domestic element of control and coercion. 601 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,935 "I found that she was chatting with her male friend 602 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,535 "and the chats were not normal." 603 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,815 Ancl he sees these chats with her male friend 604 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,535 as being something inappropriate. 605 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,735 Has Harleen started seeing anybody else? 606 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,695 No comment. 607 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:46,695 Ancl this is all kind of building up a picture 608 00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:49,135 of how he saw himself losing his grip on Harleen 609 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,695 and that she was moving on from him. 610 00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:53,055 He says, "We started some conversation. 611 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,335 "She told me that she's going to live with her friends now, 612 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,055 "and she started to pack her bags." 613 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,935 Do you currently live together? 614 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,695 No comment. 615 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:06,335 "I was drunk and just wanted to stop her from going. 616 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,775 "I pushed her and "hold-ed" her tightly, but only to stop her. 617 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,495 "Never had any intention of beating her. 618 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:12,855 "I just wanted to stop her." 619 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,215 Has your attitude towards Harleen changed? 620 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,415 No comment. 621 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,855 If so, why has that changed? 622 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,695 No comment. 623 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:29,335 What happened to have changed any feelings 624 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,215 that you had for each other? 625 00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:34,655 'We've confirmed there's been some element 626 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,095 'of previous domestic physical violence between them, 627 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,975 'in the defendant's own words, 628 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,655 'that there's been some physical altercation. 629 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,455 But obviously, that is the start of physical domestic violence 630 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,735 against Harleen that's escalated and escalated 631 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,215 to what we've ended in. 632 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,615 I've got his red rucksack. 633 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,295 Here is his rucksack. Oh, is it? 634 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,655 Pinky-red will do. Right. 0|<. 635 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,695 I'll give Kate a ring and tell her what we got. 636 00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:07,015 The suspect's flat search has revealed more key evidence. 637 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,455 It's like a deep pink. 638 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,335 Very dark blue rucksack just on the sofa. 639 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,735 I'm guessing that will be the one that you're after. 640 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:21,575 AFM Kate Whitehead relays this back to the investigation team. 641 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:29,135 'I've recovered the rucksack and a metal water bottle, 642 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,655 'which was bloodstained. 643 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:36,175 'Within the rucksack, bloodstained clothing, a T-shirt. 644 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,855 '|'m not sure that it's a T-shirt that he's had on, 645 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,815 'but he may have put the knife into the rucksack, 646 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,095 'and that may be how that T-shirt has got bloodstained.' 647 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,535 A 20cm blade. 648 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,015 She's given the cause of death, 649 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,655 as we suspected, as stab wound to the chest. 650 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,135 She describes it as being a single stab wound, 651 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,495 but an irregular wound that appears to show 652 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,455 some sort of sawing action once the knife was in. 653 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,655 DETECTIVE: You inflicted that stab wound. 654 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:13,815 No comment. 655 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,175 Thought you'd say that. 656 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,655 There's just this one stab wound. 657 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,615 However, there's numerous insertions inside, 658 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,855 which means the knife has been pulled in and out 659 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,135 a number of times. 660 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,855 Tell me how that has come to be. 661 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,015 No comment. 662 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,935 'She describes multiple stab tracks in the lung. 663 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,815 One that's penetrated the back of the left chest cavity. 664 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,735 Almost reaching the surface of the skin on her back. 665 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,615 They're saying that a knife of at least 15cm 666 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,895 would have to have caused that injury. 667 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,735 Have you taken a knife with you? 668 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,215 No comment. 669 00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:58,495 Or inflicted that injury to her? 670 00:39:58,520 --> 00:39:59,575 No comment. 671 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,015 The only other injuries that the deceased had 672 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,055 were defensive sharp force incise wounds 673 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,455 to her left fingers and one to her right thumb. 674 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,575 What happened from the argument 675 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,215 to lead to Harleen suffering that major injury 676 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:16,775 that resulted in her death? 677 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,455 No comments. 678 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,615 Went back after the PM results. 679 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,535 Talk to him about the incident. 680 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,215 I think he got quite emotional on that one. 681 00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:38,855 As if he almost wanted to talk. 682 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,055 just carried on. "No comment". 683 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,295 Has she tried to grab the knife from yourself? 684 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,535 No comment. 685 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,375 She's had it pulled out of her chest, 686 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:58,615 and this is how there's numerous insertions into her. 687 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,255 You've tried to push it back in? 688 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:12,295 While the interviews continue, the first evidence emerges 689 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,735 to confirm the killing was premeditated. 690 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,775 Witness accounts suggest Gandhi had been stalking Harleen. 691 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,055 A member of the public raised concerns 692 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,935 about a male described as... 693 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,855 a male wearing a turban, smartly dressed, 694 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,375 hanging around by the bins and the bushes at Victoria Road. 695 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,655 Ancl is described to have a red rucksack. 696 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,655 I believe this to be our suspect. 697 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,975 I believe that he's potentially been watching our victim's movements 698 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,455 over the past week. 699 00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:07,655 NARRATOR: In the investigation into the murder of Harleen Kaur, 700 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,855 detectives are working to establish that her killing was premeditated. 701 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,855 It's now become their key focus. 702 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:20,495 We have three what we'll class as key witnesses who have come forward. 703 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,895 'So our offence took place on Monday the fifth, 704 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,335 'so Thursday the first before, 705 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,375 'a witness who lives nearby 706 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,895 'to the victim's address contacted us saying that. 707 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,055 'Ancl had been surprised to see a male 708 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,415 'stood in the bottom of her garden 709 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,375 'looking from the bushes across the road. 710 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,415 'He would have had sight on the victim's home address.' 711 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,095 She thought it was quite strange, 712 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,015 and she eventually contacted the police 713 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,375 to say there's a suspicious male. 714 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,295 'But within a few minutes after, he walked away. 715 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,255 Ancl she describes him as an Asian male 716 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,895 with a black turban and 30 to 40 years of age. 717 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,855 We then go on to Friday the second, 718 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,935 where yet again, we have a witness who lives nearby, 719 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,255 stating that she saw in the mid-afternoon 720 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,015 a male stood outside her garden wandering. 721 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,415 She described this male as being of Asian descent, having a turban, 722 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,895 but also of note, having a red rucksack on his back. 723 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,255 Then on the Saturday, we've had another witness saying 724 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,615 that she'd come home early evening, 725 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,335 and she's been surprised to see a male 726 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,695 at the bottom of her garden by her bins, 727 00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:45,095 crouching down and looking through the bushes. 728 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:56,055 Detectives now search through hundreds of hours of CCTV 729 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,415 to verify the witnesses' claims. 730 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,775 Of course, one of our theories at the moment is that 731 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,055 Satpreet Singh might have been stalking her for some time 732 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,135 before he committed the offence. 733 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,775 More new evidence comes to light 734 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,575 when the knife recovered from the suspect's home 735 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,295 leads detectives to a local supermarket. 736 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,255 Once he was arrested and we got into his flat, 737 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,935 within the flat was an open packet of knives 738 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,975 that was packaged with Ascla logo on it. 739 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,015 The murder weapon was a part of that set, 740 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,615 and as a result of the enquiries, 741 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,975 we've gone to the nearest supermarket 742 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,935 and we've established that that set was bought from there. 743 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,415 Ancl we've got CCTV footage of him going into the Ascla store, 744 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,375 even speaking to a member of staff and the staff directing him 745 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,935 to where the knives were located on the aisles. 746 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,855 We know that on that clay he purchased these knives, 747 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,535 he also bought some crisps, and he also bought some vodka. 748 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:14,815 Satpreet Singh Gandhi purchased those knives on the 28th of August, 749 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,375 which is some eight clays before the murder. 750 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,455 'It weren't just a fit of rage.' 751 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,655 He'd been planning this for quite some time. 752 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,295 Now the digital forensics team track the suspect's mobile 753 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,735 and his movements via the phone network. 754 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:51,775 What we were able to determine is that Satpreet Singh's mobile phone 755 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:56,535 was pinging on a mast near to Harleen's flat 756 00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,975 on the first, second, third and fourth of September, 757 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,975 which we think is relevant 758 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,175 based on what's happened on the fifth of September. 759 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,015 The digital forensics strengthened the case 760 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,175 that Harleen's murder was premeditated. 761 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,935 It provides us with lines of investigation. 762 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,415 It provides us with a story of events, of movements, 763 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,615 both the victim's movements as well as the suspect's movements. 764 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,455 So what we can say is that the clays prior to the fifth, 765 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:43,415 we have got Satpreet Singh Gandhi in the area around Harleen's flat. 766 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,015 Ancl we would say watching Harleen's flat. 767 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:55,095 Detectives now begin to create an accurate timeline of each day 768 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:56,455 leading up to the murder. 769 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,535 It's always very important to come back and visit the scene. 770 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,295 Familiarise yourself with the scene 771 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,495 because it's a massive part of the investigation. 772 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,895 From phone data on the third, 773 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,055 we've identified that Satpreet Singh's phone 774 00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,735 is hitting a mast near to Harleen's flat 775 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:21,695 from 9pm onwards on 3 September. 776 00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:25,775 So what we've clone is we've reviewed CCTV footage. 777 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,095 Our CCTV is mainly from this building, 778 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,935 and we catch them on our footage. 779 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:37,895 And at 21 :37 hours, we have captured Satpreet Singh 780 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,615 stood directly outside Harleen's flat. 781 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,855 He goes down the steps and comes back out. 782 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,615 My view is that he's probably known that there's nobody there, 783 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,575 and he walks back towards these bins, 784 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,015 and for a couple of seconds, he stops. 785 00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,895 So, what we've got is Satpreet Singh here, 786 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,335 entering the threshold towards Harleen's property. 787 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:02,935 Ancl if you look what's in his right hand, 788 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,135 you'll see a shining object. 789 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,095 With the key CCTV from two days before the killing, 790 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,415 the team now concentrates its efforts 791 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,615 to events on the day of the murder. 792 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,095 So, here he is leaving this flat. 793 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,615 Ancl what he does is he does come across the road 794 00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,215 and makes his way into the Premier store. 795 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,375 Ancl what he'll do is he'll purchase some Skittles, 796 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,015 and you will clearly see him 797 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,215 in possession of the rucksack on his back. 798 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,335 We believe in the bag, 799 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,855 he's carrying the weapons that he's used in the attack. 800 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,695 Ancl then he'll make his way back onto Greenhow Road. 801 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:56,015 Only this time, he has booked a taxi to take him back up 802 00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:57,935 to the location where Harleen lives. 803 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:08,335 So, this footage, 804 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,615 this shows Satpreet Singh turning up in this taxi. 805 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,535 Ancl this is at 15:41 hours. 806 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,135 Ancl he's got with him his rucksack in his hand. 807 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,415 But the fact that he's in the area once again, 808 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,815 hours before the incident occurs... 809 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:29,975 ...it paints a picture of what... 810 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,695 ...what's about to unfold, really. 811 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:54,895 NARRATOR: Harleen Kaur has been killed by her estranged husband. 812 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,255 Police must prove it was premeditated 813 00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,535 in order to charge him with murder 814 00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,495 and try to secure a life sentence. 815 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:08,175 More CCTV of Gandhi lying in wait near the victim's home has emerged. 816 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,255 He's just walking around, a lot of pacing. 817 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,655 So there's a lot of coming to the side, 818 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,135 looking over to see if anyone's there, 819 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,935 coming back out of eyeline from the flat, 820 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,175 coming back to this side. 821 00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:34,375 We think that's his main focus, is the address. 822 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,495 If anybody's there, if she's there. 823 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:41,615 He's always got a view from whichever position he's at. 824 00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,055 The evidence is then put to the accused. 825 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,295 Is that you, Satpreet? 826 00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:52,015 No comment. 827 00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:58,775 What are you doing at 15:44 on the fifth? 828 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,775 No comment. 829 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,415 But we then came next door to the cafe. 830 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,935 And what we found there was 831 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,775 that he was hanging a lot in this decking area 832 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,055 and around this driveway area. 833 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:13,895 Are you watching that address? 834 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,135 No comment. 835 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,455 It gave him a prime location for viewing, and once again, 836 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,375 anybody who left that flat came out 837 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,175 would not see him sat up in the decking area. 838 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:32,575 But he had a perfect view of that address. 839 00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:37,335 On the night of the murder, this is where he's sat just prior 840 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,415 to picking up his bag and walking across. 841 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,615 You've now crossed over. Where are you going? 842 00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,215 No comment. 843 00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:52,615 We've seen him come down these steps. 844 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,415 He crosses this road. 845 00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,055 He's got his red rucksack with him. 846 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,495 He's coming across here. 847 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:06,495 We see him on the footage go down the steps, out of sight, 848 00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,295 where we lose him on CCTV. 849 00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,975 You go down them steps, 850 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:14,775 go into the rest, tell me what happens. 851 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,135 He's not made any comment. Just... 852 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,775 He has cried on a few aspects of the questioning. 853 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:36,095 We've also spoke about a call made to the victim's family in India, 854 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,535 where his children are staying. 855 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,135 You don't have any contact with your children, do you? 856 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,295 Unless it's phoned through a specific person. 857 00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,575 That'd be correct? 858 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:46,575 No comments. 859 00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:49,695 How does that make you feel? 860 00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:51,415 Not having contact with your children? 861 00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,575 When we spoke about that issue, 862 00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:12,055 he's become very upset and asked for a break to compose himself, 863 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,215 and it's taken him ten minutes to compose himself 864 00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:17,415 before we carried on the interview. 865 00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:20,975 SATPREET MUMBLES Yeah. Right. 866 00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,695 The time is 16:09, 867 00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:26,255 and we're going to pause the interview 868 00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:27,895 for you to have a chat with your solicitor. 869 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,655 Ancl then when we introduced witness statements 870 00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,455 a couple of clays prior, that took him by surprise. 871 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,815 He looked at his solicitor a couple of times, 872 00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,175 he looked a bit, like, shocked, but I asked him about the rucksack. 873 00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,815 I said we looked two or three clays before, 874 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,935 we were always going to see you walking with the rucksack. 875 00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:52,335 It took him quite a while before he answered "no comment" on that one. 876 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,775 You've still got your distinctive rucksack. 877 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,495 What's in the rucksack at that time? 878 00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:59,295 No comment. 879 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,455 Do you always carry a rucksack? 880 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,095 No comment. 881 00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,495 So, what do you carry in your rucksack? 882 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:10,695 No comment. 883 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,295 Yeah, it definitely feels like he's... 884 00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,655 He's thought he's going to do this for some time. 885 00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,055 He's gone, and he's clone various recces, hasn't he? 886 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,215 The witness statements and CCTV corroborate the police theory 887 00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:32,255 that Satpreet Singh Gandhi had been stalking Harleen 888 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,095 for days before the murder. 889 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,415 He's gone and clone what he's clone to her 890 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,815 and then potentially has intended to harm himself, 891 00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,095 but for whatever reason hasn't clone so. 892 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,895 While Gandhi continues to be questioned, 893 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,775 the forensic analysis of the clothes he was arrested in 894 00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,655 returned key findings in blood and DNA. 895 00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:01,575 The scientists examined the T-shirt 896 00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,855 that we'd submitted from the victim's address. 897 00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:05,335 In the scientists' opinion, 898 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,895 this damage can be considered to correspond 899 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,255 to the injuries sustained to the victim's left breast, 900 00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,735 ie, she was wearing this T-shirt when she was stabbed. 901 00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,295 Ancl the forensic analysis of the suspect's clothing, 902 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,295 and the scientist's report for the blue short-sleeved shirt 903 00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,775 that he was wearing when he arrived in custody - 904 00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,055 on the centre front, 905 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,775 there are numerous heavy spots of blood, which, in her opinion, 906 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,815 relate to arterial spray. 907 00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:33,975 Ancl also of note, 908 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,775 there were some very fine spots of blood on the chest area, 909 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,775 which, in her opinion, appeared to have been exhaled onto the shirt. 910 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,695 The DNA profile obtained from the shirt 911 00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:47,015 matches that of the victim. 912 00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:48,735 In the scientist's opinion, 913 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,575 the overall distribution of blood staining 914 00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,135 present on the trainers 915 00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,495 is in keeping with the victim's body 916 00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,855 having come into contact with the right trainer 917 00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,815 whilst she was injured and bleeding. 918 00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,255 Also, after she had gone down to the ground, 919 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,135 the presence of spots of blood on the mid soles 920 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,775 could be explained by the suspect having straddled her body 921 00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,615 and/or moved her around whilst she was exhaling blood. 922 00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,655 Taken together, in the scientist's opinion, 923 00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,215 the overall distribution of blood staining present 924 00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:20,295 on the suspect's clothing and footwear, which places him 925 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,255 in a prolonged and dynamic interaction with the victim 926 00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,615 after she had sustained her injuries. 927 00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:31,055 The evidence is showing that he was present 928 00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,415 with the victim while she was injured and bleeding. 929 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,215 If you've got somebody's arterial spray 930 00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:39,975 or somebody's exhaled blood on your shoes and clothing, 931 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,095 then you were with them at the time 932 00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,455 that they were still alive and bleeding 933 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,215 because their heart is still pumping, 934 00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:47,575 they're still breathing. 935 00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,775 So that is incriminating. 936 00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,975 At any time, did you try to give first aid to her? 937 00:56:58,160 --> 00:56:59,415 No comment. 938 00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,495 With evidence against him overwhelming, 939 00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:09,415 Satpreet Singh Gandhi finally admits to murdering his wife, 940 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,895 and detectives are hopeful a life sentence 941 00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,735 could be handed down by the court. 942 00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,695 During the charging process, 943 00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,375 I did notice that his legs were shaking and quivering 944 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,535 and his body buckled of times, 945 00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:29,015 which displays the gravity of what he's being charged with. 946 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,695 So I'd have to position myself closer to him, 947 00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,215 because at one point, I thought he was going to faint. 948 00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,935 But he managed to compose himself 949 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,415 and rest himself against the wall in the custody area. 950 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,135 Sometimes, it's the gravity 951 00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,655 of having that charge read out to you 952 00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,935 and knowing that you've been charged with murder. 953 00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,615 That's overwhelmed him. 954 00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,055 It's been two months since the murder of Harleen Kaur. 955 00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:07,095 With an admission of guilt, there'll be no full trial. 956 00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,175 But the court must now decide Gandhi's sentence. 957 00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,415 Without proof of an intention to kill, 958 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,935 it could be substantially reduced. 959 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,975 We think the intent is that 960 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,375 he's there, he's planned this, he's gone, 961 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:24,175 and he's not found the right occasion on the nights before. 962 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,535 Ancl then we think on the night of the offence, 963 00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,975 she's present, and he's gone in, and he's committed the offence. 964 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,175 NARRATOR: Satpreet Singh Gandhi has confessed to the brutal killing 965 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,575 of his estranged wife, Harleen Kaur. 966 00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,775 They had two children together. 967 00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,015 They are now being raised by their grandparents. 968 00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,895 The family live in India, 969 00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,415 but they have provided an impact statement 970 00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,775 explaining how Harleen's murder has affected them. 971 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,375 So, I've got the victim personal statement 972 00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,735 from the brother of Harleen who was murdered. 973 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,015 These were only read in court after conviction 974 00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,175 to assist the judge with sentencing. 975 00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,415 "Harleen had laughter that would bounce off the walls 976 00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:30,815 "and resonate with everyone. 977 00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,735 "She brought light into the darkest of rooms 978 00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,655 "with just a single cheeky smile. 979 00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,895 "And her eyes always had the most beautiful twinkle to them. 980 00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,735 "Now everything just seems darkened and dull without her. 981 00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,255 "Her parents have to take care and grow both their daughters' children 982 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,015 "in their old age. 983 00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,415 "Every night, I and the children and my parents 984 00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,575 "have nightmares of what you did, of how you hurt her. 985 00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,695 "How scared she must have felt in those final moments. 986 00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,975 "How she probably died feeling like she was alone or unloved. 987 01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,335 "You have traumatised so many of us. 988 01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,935 "Her children are not able to sleep, study, have gone into depression, 989 01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,215 "and always say, 'I want to see my mother and talk to her. 990 01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:14,935 " 'How can clad do this to our mother? 991 01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,095 " 'Doesn't he love her and us?' 992 01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,495 "We know you are guilty for murder. 993 01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,855 "This is something we knew the whole time. 994 01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,215 "By pleading guilty so close to your trial, 995 01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,655 "you are only looking to reduce your sentence. 996 01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,015 "Your hand has clearly been forced 997 01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,295 "through the painstaking investigation 998 01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:33,775 "and collection of evidence 999 01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,975 "conducted by dedicated police officers. 1000 01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,735 "Marriage is about love and affection, 1001 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,695 "which Harleen gave you, and you were not worthy of it. 1002 01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,175 "And she wanted a divorce. 1003 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:50,415 "First time she thought for herself. Ancl you killed her. 1004 01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,255 "She's not a property. 1005 01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:57,695 "|f you don't want, don't like, or don't listen, you destroy. 1006 01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,295 "She was a human being and not a monster like you. 1007 01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,295 "You will never be forgiven. 1008 01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,695 "What you have clone to her will never be forgotten." 1009 01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:17,735 It's very impactive. 1010 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,095 A victim impact statement gives the judge who's sentencing 1011 01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:24,855 the ability to get into the mind of the victim's family, 1012 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,215 and the impact that it's had on them, 1013 01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,415 not just at the time of the offence, but the ongoing impact. 1014 01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:34,695 It's tragic. 1015 01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,695 It's hard not to be moved when you when you read 1016 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,255 the words from Harleen's brother on behalf of the family. 1017 01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,455 Ancl I think, as you know, as a husband and as a clad, um, 1018 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,015 it's really difficult to hear. 1019 01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,015 Ancl you kind of, I think, put yourself in that person's shoes 1020 01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,095 and think, "What if it were me having to write that?" 1021 01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:53,855 So it is harrowing. 1022 01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,335 But again, it's the reason why, I think, 1023 01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,695 the team are all so driven to do the jobs 1024 01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,895 and get the right results for the victims and the families. 1025 01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,375 How are the family feeling about today? 1026 01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,495 I think they're looking forward to getting some closure, 1027 01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,055 getting to find out exactly what he's going to get. 1028 01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:19,415 Custodial time. 1029 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,455 Today, the judge will decide how long Satpreet Singh Gandhi 1030 01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:27,735 will spend in prison. 1031 01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,575 What's your thoughts on how it will go? 1032 01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:36,415 Obviously, prosecution will get a chance to put their points across. 1033 01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,295 Ancl I think we're looking at a starting point 1034 01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,495 for bringing a knife to the scene is going to be 25 years. 1035 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,615 I think there's a lot of aggravating features 1036 01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:54,055 with the domestic violence and the control, the coercion, 1037 01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,615 and sort of the stalking, the pre-planning before. 1038 01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,455 But let's see what the judge thinks. 1039 01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:05,295 All the investigators can do now is wait. 1040 01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,175 It's important that we've gathered further evidence. 1041 01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,095 Things like bringing the weapon to the scene. 1042 01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,535 You know, we recovered the knife. 1043 01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:21,295 All those hours of looking through the CCTV to catch him stalking her. 1044 01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,815 All those little things make a really significant difference 1045 01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,015 to the sentence and to the starting point of the sentence. 1046 01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,615 But the important thing, we're telling the story of Harleen 1047 01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,255 and how she lived for the last few months of her life. 1048 01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,495 The judge gives his decision. 1049 01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:49,335 Satpreet Singh Gandhi is sentenced to 23 years and four months 1050 01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,935 for the murder of Harleen Kaur. 1051 01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,615 So the judge sort of summed up the case quite well. 1052 01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,455 He set the starting point at 25 years. 1053 01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,255 The aggravating features put it up. 1054 01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,615 Ancl then he got a sixth-off credit for a guilty plea. 1055 01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:06,975 So it went back down and ended up at 23 years and four months. 1056 01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:08,775 Um, which I think is a fair sentence. 1057 01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:10,175 He's not coming out for a long time. 1058 01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:14,335 The family are over in India. 1059 01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,255 They couldn't make it for the trials, 1060 01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:17,855 but they were on a video link. 1061 01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,135 So basically, they got to see the court 1062 01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:21,135 and hear what was being said. 1063 01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,815 As soon as it finished in the courtroom, 1064 01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:27,495 I rang the family and spoke to them 1065 01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,695 to explain to them exactly what had gone on. 1066 01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:32,975 Whatever sentence they get, 1067 01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,335 it doesn't reflect the value of the life that's lost. 1068 01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,455 We always find that with these cases that whatever the number of years, 1069 01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,735 it doesn't reflect the value of that person's life. 1070 01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:49,615 It's really hard because you think about the victim and her family. 1071 01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,335 It's really hard to say, "Oh, it's a good result for our team," 1072 01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:56,015 because somebody dying and being murdered 1073 01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:57,295 is never a good result. 1074 01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:05,735 Harleen had wanted freedom from her stifling marriage, 1075 01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,295 but her killer had wanted to control her. 1076 01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:17,575 The police take domestic abuse incredibly seriously. 1077 01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,535 It has a huge impact on victims, 1078 01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,255 on victims' families and on the community as a whole. 1079 01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,255 This is an incredibly serious case. 1080 01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,255 A woman sadly lost her life 1081 01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,695 as a result of domestic abuse and domestic violence. 1082 01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,815 Myself and my team have worked as hard as we possibly can 1083 01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,175 to get the best result and best outcome 1084 01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,655 for the victim, her family and her children. 1085 01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,815 There's been an attempted murder at a convenience store in Yorkshire. 1086 01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:03,975 GUNSHOT, SIRENS WAIL 1087 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,455 Yes, I have got a CSI available. 1088 01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:08,975 You can actually see the shot on that. 1089 01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,255 Shotguns are very lethal. 1090 01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,615 The offence is attempt murder. 1091 01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,495 He's been very fortunate to survive this. 1092 01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,015 We're now tracking a gentleman on a mountain bike. 1093 01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,975 So we need to make sure we brief the search teams as well. 1094 01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,335 One thing that we get there is gunshot residue. 1095 01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,615 You already had a shotgun in your possession. 1096 01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:30,175 He's actually been using firearms. 1097 01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:33,735 The evidence that we collect can be key to an investigation. 1098 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,455 When you look at the evidence, 1099 01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,935 there is sufficient for us to put it before a jury to decide 1100 01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,135 whether the defendant is guilty. 86724

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