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>> Waterboarding, mock execution...

>> NARRATOR: Some called it torture.

>> The slapping, hitting, and

then he sees this confinement box.

>> They've been running a program that empowers the CIA to

take an almost unlimited role in the war on terror.

>> NARRATOR: The CIA said it was essential.

>> There was a before 9/11 and there was an after 9/11.

>> Our people were convinced that we had to try something

else, something more aggressive.

>> The message was, you need to torture peopople to

lead you to lead you to your main target.

>> It's a form of propaganda.

"This is what happened," when in

fact the facts don't prove that to be the case.

>> NARRATOR: Frontline investigates one of the CIA's

most controversial programs.

>> We were at war.

Bad things happen in wars.

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>> Whether it's discovering an aspirin a day can prevent

heart attacks worldwide, or creating cells that regenerate

new heart muscle, our goal is

developing treatments that save lives.

Brigham and Women's Hospital.

>> Zero Dark Thirty, one of the

most buzzed about movies of this awards season.

>> Red carpet premiere for Zero Dark Thirty.

>> Film critics are raving about

a new movie, Zero Dark Thirty.

>> The film gets its California premiere tonight.

>> Tonight, the stars of Zero Dark Thirty are out

for the L.A. premiere.

>> It's getting a lot of Oscar buzz.

>> NARRATOR: It was bound to be a blockbuster.

Oscar-winning director Kathryn

Bigelow's story of the killing of Osama bin Laden.

>> Well, I think it's one of those great mysteries of our

time, I think it's one of the

great stories of our time, and these stories come along

maybe once, twice a millennium,

so it's a pretty compelling story.

>> NARRATOR: Behind the scenes,

the details of the story were secretly provided to the

filmmakers by the Central Intelligence Agency.

>> The CIA's business is seduction, basically.

And to seduce Hollywood producers, I mean, they are easy

marks compared to some of the

people that the CIA has to go after.

>> NARRATOR: According to internal CIA documents, the

movie's producers were given

exclusive access to the CIA version of history.

>> "It makes sense to get behind the winning horse.

Mark and Kathryn's movie is

going to be the first and the biggest.

It's got the most money behind

it, and two Oscar winners on board."

>> A lot of other people who covered the beat like I did

in that search for bin Laden,

we didn't get close to that kind

of cooperation from the agency on telling the inside story.

>> NARRATOR: Inside the theater,

a raw portrayal of the brutal

interrogations the CIA said were

crucial to the success of the raid.

>> This is a dog collar.

>> No!

>> The message was, you need to

torture people in order to get

the information that will lead you to your main target.

>> When you lie to me, I hurt you.

Where was the last time you saw bin Laden?

Where was the last time you saw bin Laden, huh?

>> The movie left the American

people with the impression that

torture worked and that without it, we would never have been

able to trace the trail back to Abbottabad and to find

bin Laden.

>> Give me the information I need.

>> You and I are gonna talk about some of the guys in

training camp.

>> I walked out of Zero Dark

Thirty, candidly.

We were having a showing, and I

got into it about 15, 20 minutes and left.

I couldn't handle it.

Because it's so false.

>> NARRATOR: California senator Dianne Feinstein was the

powerful chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

For years, Feinstein and other

Democrats have told a different

version of the story, one at odds with the CIA.

>> It's a form of propaganda so that the general public

believes this is what happened when in fact, the facts don't

prove that to be the case.

>> NARRATOR: The senators had

access to something no one else did.

In a secret CIA location, Senate staffers had been

authorized to examine a trove

of highly classified documents.

>> Dianne Feinstein set the committee on this path to do

this massive investigation.

That was her objective:

to evaluate that question, "Were

these methods that important?

Did torture work?"

>> NARRATOR: For years, Senate

investigators had been digging

into one of the CIA's most secret programs to find the

answer.

>> They'd given up six years of their lives in many respects

to comb through all that material, six million documents,

millions and millions of footnotes.

>> NARRATOR: The six million pages of internal CIA documents

tell the history of what happened.

>> They're about the program.

They're about all the prisoners

that had been in CIA custody.

They are about the cables back and forth between

headquarters and the field.

They are internal memos about what was gleaned from the

interrogation sessions.

It's basically the CIA's own

internal raw history of its program.

>> Caught up between the Senate and the CIA...

>> NARRATOR: Once the report was

written, a bitter political

fight broke out over making it public.

>> The battle over making public

a Senate report on the CIA's interrogation methods.

>> NARRATOR: By December of 2014, Feinstein prevailed.

The report was at the printers.

>> The report is from Democrats

on the Senate Intelligence...

>> A report detailing harsh interrogation tactics...

>> NARRATOR: Now both histories can be examined.

>> While in CIA custody... >> NARRATOR: The Senate

document... >> ...how the coerced interrogation worked.

>> NARRATOR: ...versus the CIA's insiders.

>> The headline is:

"CIA Interrogations Work."

>> NARRATOR: What the CIA did... >> It was a good program.

It was a legal program.

It was not torture.

>> NARRATOR: ...and whether it was necessary.

>> The CIA has lied to its

overseers, destroyed and tried to hold back evidence.

>> NARRATOR: "Secrets, Politics, and Torture."

>> NARRATOR: Almost 500 pages long with thousands of

footnotes.

>> It cost them $50 million

to put it together, and it will include...

>> NARRATOR: The report is

sharply critical of what the CIA did.

>> This is the executive summary, this is the

declassified version, and it's pretty thick.

And I got this in a recent meeting with the people who put

this together, and I sort of

jokingly asked, "Well, where's the rest?

Can't I take the full thing?"

And they said, "To do that, you would need a wheelbarrow."

>> NARRATOR: At the CIA, they take great exception

to the report.

One man's name appears more

than 200 times: top CIA lawyer John Rizzo.

>> This thing was put together,

reached conclusions, made accusations without ever...

any of its drafters having the

courtesy to talk to any of us, to give us our chance.

It's a hit job on most of us.

>> NARRATOR: John Rizzo's story and the story of that Senate

report both begin on the same day.

(phone ringing)

(people screaming)

>> Help!

>> Fire Department 408, where is the fire?

>> This is another call in regards to World Trade Center.

>> I was sitting in my office on

that Tuesday morning, on the top floor of CIA headquarters.

>> I'm going to die, aren't I?

>> No, no, no, no, no.

>> I'm gonna die.

>> Ma'am, ma'am, say your prayers.

>> Police operator, where's your emergency?

>> Trying to focus on this most

terrible of days, I scribbled

down words: capture, detain, and interrogate.

>> We're not ready to die.

Oh, God!

(fast busy signal beeping)

>> NARRATOR: "Capture, detain, interrogate."

Rizzo says the CIA hadn't done it for decades.

>> I think the only word I would

add to John Rizzo's "capture,

detain, and interrogate" would be the word "learn."

We had a lot to learn at this point.

>> NARRATOR: John McLaughlin was

the deputy director of the CIA, and John Rizzo's boss.

>> The sense of dread against

the many unknowns was enormous.

And we felt we had a singular responsibility in the U.S.

government to stand between the United States and these

terrorists.

>> The massive investigation

into last week's attacks... >> NARRATOR: In less than a

week, the notes on Rizzo's pad

would be transformed into one of

the most sweeping covert authorizations in American

history.

>> "The president signed a covert action granting the CIA

unprecedented counterterrorism authorities."

>> It basically empowers the CIA

to take an almost unlimited role in the war on terror.

A step up from where it's been in the past in terms of dark

operations and carrying them out.

>> We go forward to defend freedom and all that is good

and just in our world.

>> We have to work toward the dark side, if you will.

We've got to spend time in the shadows.

>> All you need to know is that there was a before 9/11

and there was an after 9/11.

>> Where did it all begin?

>> NARRATOR: At the CIA, at 5:00

most afternoons, officers from

the counterterrorism center came

to the seventh floor to brief the top brass.

>> ...as they try to understand how ten hijackers...

>> NARRATOR: They were worried about a second attack.

>> It was tense, it was tense.

The special activities paramilitary folks, all of the

analysts would sit and brief senior leadership.

And it was an increasing,

increasing drum beat of danger and foreboding.

>> NARRATOR: And in the months

after 9/11, Rizzo kept hearing the name of one particular

suspect the CIA was targeting.

The Senate report tells the story.

>> "Abu Zubaydah was assessed to possess detailed knowledge

of al-Qaeda terrorist attack plans."

>> His name kept popping up at the meeting.

"Abu Zubaydah was a committed,

remorseless, psychopathic personality."

He was widely thought to be,

universally thought to be a key,

key figure in the al-Qaeda hierarchy.

>> NARRATOR: In March of 2002,

they found Abu Zubaydah hiding

near the Indian border in Faisalabad, Pakistan.

They learned he was at this house.

As they surrounded it, a firefight broke out.

(rapid gunfire)

>> Then he almost died in the

capture, he was shot in the gut.

And you know, part of me is saying, "Well, I wish he had

died," of course, but part of me is saying, "Well, thank God

he's alive, we can talk to him, get something out of him."

>> NARRATOR: Abu Zubaydah would

never be seen in public again.

He was secretly taken to a black site in Thailand.

>> CIA had no prisons.

No one else, including the military, wanted these high-

level prisoners.

We had to put them somewhere, and we had to do it quickly.

And that's how black sites came about.

>> NARRATOR: They kept him hidden on the edges of Bangkok,

desperately hoping they could

get him to talk about the next attack.

>> We had never, certainly in

my career, held people against their will.

This was actually a new thing for CIA to do.

>> NARRATOR: They knew the FBI

did have interrogators, so they

reluctantly turned to one of them: Ali Soufan.

>> It's about building a rapport with an individual.

It's about building that chemistry.

It's about building a trust a little bit, because if he's

going to tell you something,

he needs to have some sense of trust about you.

>> Ali Soufan is a Muslim and knows the Quran, and he's

an FBI special agent.

And he's able to go into a room

and speak Arabic and identify with the hot buttons that the

person he's interrogating has.

>> NARRATOR: Soufan worked to build Abu Zubaydah's trust.

>> And practically the first

words out of Abu Zubaydah's mouth were, "I'm here to

cooperate."

>> NARRATOR: Soufan showed him

the FBI's wanted photos on a PDA.

Then a stunning breakthrough:

Zubaydah pointed to this man.

>> "Abu Zubaydah revealed to the

FBI officers that an individual

named 'Mukhtar' was the al-Qaeda

'mastermind' of the 9/11 attacks.

>> NARRATOR: Mukhtar was the

fugitive terrorist Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

>> We did not know that Khalid

Sheikh Mohammad was a member of al-Qaeda.

That was a huge development.

>> NARRATOR: But in Washington,

Rizzo says he was told FBI agent

Soufan should have been getting even more.

He was going too easy on Abu Zubaydah.

>> Our people were convinced that the kinds of FBI

examination techniques, their

traditional techniques were not going to work with

a pathological, remorseless, canny operative like Zubaydah,

so that we had to try something

else, something more aggressive.

>> NARRATOR: It was clear to Rizzo they needed to find

someone special to handle these interrogations.

>> Someone in the building has

heard there's this psychologist

who knows something about torture, and he's been doing

some kind of contract work

for the agency, and they said, "Try calling him."

>> "A psychologist, Grayson SWIGERT, be used by CTC to

overcome Abu Zubaydah's resistance to interrogation."

>> NARRATOR: In the Senate report, "Grayson SWIGERT" was

the official pseudonym for this man: James Mitchell.

Mitchell and his partner Bruce

Jessen were former Air Force psychologists.

>> My guys were convinced that

these were experts and that they had a very good feel

and sense for these kinds of

techniques and what they could accomplish against an

intransigent personality like Abu Zubaydah.

>> They've been running a

program called SERE for the Air Force, which stands for

Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape.

It's a program to train American

soldiers on how they might be

able to survive if they're ever captured and tortured.

>> NARRATOR: The SERE program Mitchell and Jessen wanted to

reverse-engineer had begun at the end of the Korean War.

>> Volunteers are subjected to

the same brainwashing techniques

employed by the Chinese Reds.

>> Mitchell and Jessen had created interrogation methods

inspired by things the North

Koreans and Chinese had done in the 1950s.

Absurd brainwashing efforts that we had always regarded

as emblems of tyranny.

>> The arsenal of psychological

weapons: confinement in the hole for hours.

The interrogation phase.

Here, the prisoner is subjected

sometimes for hours to machine gun questioning.

>> It was such a dubious venture

from the start, but they didn't think twice.

They were desperate, and they wanted someone who had the

answers, and James Mitchell and

Bruce Jessen said they had them.

>> NARRATOR: Abu Zubaydah had been in Thailand for two weeks

when James Mitchell arrived.

It was time to get tough.

>> His life will start becoming bad, you know?

Nudity, music, loud music, sleep deprivation.

(loud rock music playing)

>> NARRATOR: In Abu Zubaydah's

cell, FBI agent Soufan watched

as the CIA theory was put into practice.

>> Soufan saw the temperature

manipulations, the slapping, the hitting.

And then he sees this confinement box which they're

going to throw Abu Zubaydah into, and he gets furious.

He said, "You can't do this kind of thing."

>> And I was really frustrated

because I think that this is not going to lead us anywhere.

I mean, this guy admitted that

he never interrogated a person

in his life, he doesn't know anything about Islamic

extremists, and here he is trying to call the shots.

>> And at one point, Soufan gets

so upset, he calls back on a

secure phone to FBI headquarters

and says, "I'm going to arrest these guys."

He means the CIA folks who are doing this, not the al-Qaeda

guy they are interrogating.

>> NARRATOR: FBI headquarters didn't want any part of it.

They removed Soufan.

Mitchell and the CIA were on their own.

Now they wanted to push Abu Zubaydah even harder.

They drew up a wish list and sent it to Washington.

It made its way to Rizzo on the seventh floor.

>> I immediately recognized that

this had big-time trouble for CIA written all over it.

I didn't know when, I didn't know how.

>> NARRATOR: They called them "enhanced interrogation

techniques," or EITs.

Rizzo later wrote that the name was deceptively bland.

>> "SWIGERT-- Mitchell--

provided a list for possible use by the CIA.

One, the attention grasp;

two, walling;

three, facial hold...

>> It includes sleep deprivation, it includes

waterboarding, being strapped

to a board and doused with water

to make you feel like you're

drowning, and a host of other excruciating methods.

>> NARRATOR: After the 5:00

meeting, director George Tenet was shown the list.

>> George Tenet's first reaction

was to turn to me, as was his

wont, and say, "Is any of this stuff legal?"

So that was his focus.

I do not recall him expressing

revulsion or enthusiasm about doing this.

As I say, his first reaction was to turn to me and say,

"Can we do this legally?"

>> NARRATOR: Rizzo faced a daunting challenge.

>> There's an international treaty that prohibits torture

and any other cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment.

The law clearly says you cannot

subject people to waterboarding,

ten days straight of sleep deprivation, slamming them

into walls and the like.

>> NARRATOR: But inside the CIA

bureaucracy, it was Rizzo's job to get them authorized.

>> I fully realized that either way, someday, somehow,

we would be screwed.

>> And the morality of it?

>> Honestly, honestly, my main focus was to attempt to

ascertain, to clarify with certainty whether or not any

or all of these techniques crossed that legal line into

torture.

That was my primary focus at that point.

The morality of it, sure, I had views about that, but I

did not view that as my primary role.

>> The CIA faced a real dilemma here.

On the one hand, we knew this program would be contentious.

On the other hand, we asked ourselves, "Wouldn't it be

equally immoral if we failed to get this information and

thousands of Americans died?

There was another 9/11-- how immoral would that be?"

That's the dilemma we were up against.

And we felt a moral commitment to protect the United States.

>> A stark reminder of the new terror climate in America.

>> ...plots against U.S.

shopping centers, banks, the Statue of Liberty.

>> NARRATOR: Rizzo headed to Washington to sell the program.

He began with the Department of Justice, repeating what had

become the CIA's talking points:

that the enhanced interrogation techniques were essential.

>> The CIA issued a new terror warning today.

>> NARRATOR: That Abu Zubaydah was a senior al-Qaeda leader.

>> Al-Qaeda is attempting to get

dirty nukes to set off here.

>> NARRATOR: And that they were

certain he was withholding information.

>> Today, the government issues a warning...

>> NARRATOR: Lawyers at the Justice Department decided that

the techniques would not inflict

severe mental and physical pain, and therefore were legal.

>> "Although the subject may experience the fear or panic

associated with the feeling of drowning, the waterboard does

not inflict physical pain."

>> NARRATOR: The EITs were approved.

The final stop: sign-off from the White House.

>> I did not want the CIA to go this alone.

I wanted to get, and George Tenet wanted to get, a

definitive yes or no from a policy perspective, from a

moral perspective, from the White House.

>> NARRATOR: That meant National

Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice and Vice President Dick

Cheney had to know the details and agree.

>> There doesn't seem to be any dissent during this period

within the White House that the

CIA should not go down this road.

>> President Bush basically asked two questions, very

simple questions.

The first question he asks is, "Is this effective?"

And the second question he has is, "Is this proposal legal?"

The director of the CIA tells him that these techniques will

be effective, and he makes that point strongly.

And the attorney general of the

United States told the president

that the proposed techniques would be legal.

>> NARRATOR: On August 2, 2002, the White House officially

authorized the CIA's enhanced interrogation program.

Rizzo had the political and legal cover he needed.

>> NARRATOR: Back in Thailand,

two days later, James Mitchell prepared to confront Abu

Zubaydah.

>> "And at approximately 11:50 a.m. on August 4, 2002,

security personnel entered

the cell, shackled and hooded Abu Zubaydah..."

>> NARRATOR: They followed the

list: pulled off his hood, removed his towel.

He was naked.

Grabbed his face, hit him repeatedly, rolled a towel

around his neck.

>> "They then used it to swing me around and smash me

repeatedly against the hard walls of the room."

>> NARRATOR: According to the

Senate report and Abu Zubaydah's

statement to the Red Cross, it

took only six hours before they

reached the bottom of the list.

>> "At approximately 6:20 p.m.,

Abu Zubaydah was waterboarded for the first time.

Over a two-and-a-half hour period, Abu Zubaydah coughed,

vomited, and had involuntary spasms of the torso and

extremities."

>> He described it to the Red Cross, and he can't breathe,

and he's beginning to drown,

and the feeling of drowning is terrifying.

>> "I struggled against the straps, trying to breathe,

but it was hopeless.

I thought I was going to die.

I lost control of my urine."

>> "During a waterboard session,

Abu Zubaydah became completely unresponsive, with bubbles

rising through his open, full mouth."

>> They certainly get Abu Zubaydah to a point of

terrifying desperation.

Psychological breakdowns, just

losing it, losing it mentally.

>> NARRATOR: Every day, CIA employees in the room kept

records of what happened.

By day four... >> "Today's first session had

a profound effect on all staff members present.

It seems the collective opinion

that we should not go much further."

>> This sort of sense of futility that, "This isn't

working.

We're trying this stuff and he's not giving up more

information."

>> "Several on the team profoundly affected, some to

the point of tears and choking up."

>> NARRATOR: They had been asking about only one thing:

the details of the next attack on America.

Within days, the interrogators

came to a surprising conclusion.

>> "The interrogation team stated that it was 'highly

unlikely' that Abu Zubaydah

possessed the information they were seeking."

>> Even the agency people who are involved in the

interrogation of Zubaydah become just convinced that there's

nothing else to wring out of

him, that he has nothing left, that he has cooperated.

>> NARRATOR: But at headquarters, the operations

team insisted it be continued.

>> The word would come back, "Try it again, do it again,

push harder, do worse things."

>> And so the interrogations got even more intense, more

aggressive, and continued for another 11 days.

>> NARRATOR: In all, Abu Zubaydah would spend 266 hours

in a coffin-sized box, 29 hours

in a smaller box, 21 inches by 30 inches by 30 inches.

>> The Senate report finds no evidence that Zubaydah gave up

any critical intelligence after

being subjected to these brutal

measures that he hadn't already

provided beforehand, when he was

being questioned by the FBI.

>> NARRATOR: Then the final shocking revelation.

>> The CIA believed and told the world that he was a close

lieutenant of Osama bin Laden,

familiar with every al-Qaeda plot.

The Senate torture report makes

clear that absolutely none of that is true.

>> "Abu Zubaydah was not a senior member of al-Qaeda."

>> NARRATOR: But at the 5:00

meeting, a conventional wisdom had taken hold.

Those complaints from the black site weren't talked about.

>> 5:00 meeting after 5:00 meeting, I never once heard

anyone at that table express the

view or anyone come to me who had been involved in that

program and express a view that

the program was ineffective, it wasn't working.

I would have remembered that.

And I never heard it.

>> NARRATOR: Rizzo was told the

program was a great success, and

Mitchell and Jessen sent a cable

saying it should be applied to other detainees.

>> "The cable recommended that 'The aggressive phase at

Detention Site Green should be used as a template for future

interrogation of high-value captives.'"

>> What happens within the CIA is they apply this to many

detainees, so-called high-value

targets, who they also place in the secret prisons.

>> NARRATOR: Abu Zubaydah was just the first.

In 2002 alone, the CIA would

capture and imprison dozens more detainees.

They opened new black sites in Lithuania, Romania,

Afghanistan, Poland.

The Senate report details abuses, cases when interrogators

went beyond even what was authorized.

A detainee threatened with a

cordless drill, others plunged into ice water.

Forced rectal feeding.

One prisoner left standing chained to a wall for 17 days.

>> A lot of the problems we had came from two things.

First, inexperience; and second, the fact that we were doing

things we had never been asked to do before.

And I might add a third one:

we were at war.

Bad things happen in wars.

>> "A senior CIA debriefer heard

stories of detainees being 'hung

for days on end,' not being fed, mock assassinations, and at

least one case of a detainee being repeatedly choked.

>> One of the most egregious cases during this period is the

case of Gul Rahman, who was left

in a cell for days in these conditions of extreme cold.

>> "CIA officer one ordered that

Gul Rahman be shackled to the wall of his cell in a position

that required the detainee to

rest on the bare concrete floor.

The next day, the guards found Gul Rahman's dead body.

Rahman likely died from hypothermia."

>> NARRATOR: CIA officer number one's identity is still

considered a secret by the CIA.

>> The result inside the CIA is

instead of disciplining him in some way, they give him an

award: $2,500 for meritorious behavior.

>> Victory tonight in the war on terror.

>> Today's reported capture

of an al-Qaeda member may give authorities...

>> NARRATOR: Then the biggest

capture of them all: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed-- KSM.

>> If this program had been designed for anyone, it was

for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

>> NARRATOR: They took him to the black site in Poland.

>> "The chief of interrogations sent an email to CIA

headquarters with the subject

line, 'Let's roll with the new guy.'"

>> NARRATOR: Waiting for him,

the psychologist James Mitchell.

He had turned the work for the

CIA into a lucrative business.

Over time, the CIA would pay his company $81 million.

>> There's no such thing as just

trying lower-level techniques.

They go right into total brutality with Khalid Sheikh

Mohammed.

>> NARRATOR: The waterboarding would begin.

>> They eventually end up waterboarding him 183 times.

>> "Interrogators subjected KSM

to 'intense' questioning and walling, and additional

waterboarding.

An hour later, KSM stated that he was 'ready to talk.'"

>> I'm listening to this as it's happening.

And they were gaining very useful information from it.

He became downright loquacious.

>> Khalid Sheikh Mohammed tells

them a story, how he had supposedly dispatched an

operative to the state of Montana to recruit African

Americans for a terrorist plot.

>> "He told investigators that

he had sent Abu Issa al-Britani

to Montana to recruit African- American Muslim converts."

>> The FBI scrambles, launches a massive investigation in

Montana, trying to find these supposed black al-Qaeda

operatives.

>> NARRATOR: But the FBI found nothing.

KSM was lying.

When the interrogators went back to him, he admitted it.

>> "He had fabricated the story,

explaining that he was under

'enhanced measures' when he made

these claims and simply told

interrogators what he thought they wanted to hear."

>> So Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was

talking, but the question was,

what was he actually giving up?

>> "KSM was withholding information or lying about

terrorist plots and operatives targeting the United States."

>> Well, you know, dealing with

hardcore murderers is not patty cake.

They're going to tell you lies sometimes.

KSM lied sometimes.

But more often than not, he gave

us information that turned out to be true.

And we learned to distinguish

between the lies and the truth.

>> NARRATOR: The Senate report tells a different story.

>> "There are multiple CIA records describing the

ineffectiveness of the CIA's enhanced interrogation

techniques in gaining KSM's cooperation."

>> I think what's important to

know is that waterboarding KSM 183 times did not work.

And essentially, by the CIA's

own standard of why they did this, they did not receive

otherwise unavailable actionable intelligence.

>> NARRATOR: For two years, the CIA's EIT program was a

well-kept secret in Washington.

Then in the spring of 2004...

>> The pictures were taken in Abu Ghraib.

>> NARRATOR: The first signs of trouble.

>> The photographs were shot at the Abu Ghraib prison.

>> Even though Abu Ghraib, in and of itself, it's not a CIA

black site, it's not a CIA-run facility...

>> The disturbing pictures of Iraqi prisoners being

mistreated.

>> ...the images are so gruesome

that it just calls attention

to this issue and induces this panic across the U.S.

government of what the U.S.

has become.

>> That, in my view, was really where the tide fatefully and

irreversibly turned against the CIA program.

It was washed up into that, into this new controversy

about how the U.S. government treats prisoners.

>> Abuse which took place not in one night, but over

several months.

>> This isn't about who they are.

This is about who we are.

These are the values that distinguish us from our enemies.

>> NARRATOR: Former Vietnam POW

and torture victim Senator John

McCain was outraged by what he had seen.

>> To him, this is not an esoteric issue, it's not an

abstract issue, it's very real.

>> He was in the process of enacting legislation to

basically outlaw the enhanced interrogation program.

So sure, that was deeply concerning to me.

>> NARRATOR: It would be up to the new CIA director, Porter

Goss, to tell McCain the CIA's

version of the story: that the

program was effective and carefully controlled.

>> After Porter ran through all

the techniques, Senator McCain,

who had said very little during

the briefing, simply said, "I think it's all torture."

Got up and left.

To have someone of the stature

and experience of Senator McCain

to say, "I still think it's all

torture," that was, I must say, I found that alarming.

Alarming.

>> NARRATOR: But up on the seventh floor of the CIA,

John Rizzo knew of an even bigger problem.

>> There were videotapes dating back to the summer of 2002.

>> NARRATOR: Hidden in Thailand,

videotapes of the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah.

>> I was told if those videotapes had ever been seen,

the reaction around the world

would not have been survivable.

So the CIA is in a panic.

They've got these red-hot videotapes on their hands.

>> NARRATOR: This man, Jose Rodriguez, the CIA's top

operations officer, knew how

dangerous the tapes were and wanted to destroy them.

>> Jose Rodriguez wanted to nip it in the bud.

He floats this idea of destroying the tapes so they

would never come out, and makes everybody nervous.

"Whoa, wait a second.

Could that be construed as a criminal cover-up if you do?"

>> NARRATOR: Since he'd learned of the tapes, Rizzo had told

Rodriguez not to destroy them.

Then, disturbing news.

>> One of my lawyers in the counterterrorism center sent me

a cable from the facility to headquarters, a very short

cable that essentially says, "Pursuant to headquarters

directions, the videotapes have been destroyed."

And needless to say, after 25

years at CIA, I didn't think too much could flabbergast

me, but reading that cable did.

>> NARRATOR: Jose Rodriguez had ordered the destruction

of the tapes.

On the seventh floor, they made a decision: they would tell

almost no one what he had done.

>> Major defeat for President

Bush in the war on terror... >> NARRATOR: But the CIA's

problems weren't over.

>> ...violate the Geneva Convention.

>> NARRATOR: A Supreme Court

decision that would jeopardize CIA officers themselves.

>> In June 2006, there's a thunderbolt, basically,

from the U.S. Supreme Court.

>> The president was told the high court dealt a blow to his

use of presidential power...

>> The court rules that actually, the detainees held

by the U.S., including the CIA

detainees, have to be covered by the Geneva Convention.

>> NARRATOR: And the court said

something that got John Rizzo's attention.

>> The Supreme Court says flatly

that it's a violation, a war crime under federal law,

punishable by up to life in prison.

At that point, there's instantly

significant exposure to criminal

liability of anyone who is pursuing these practices.

>> NARRATOR: Rizzo believed he

and other CIA officers who participated in the program

could go to prison for life.

>> The political landscape had

evolved to that extent, and that

the agency, notwithstanding all

the measures we took, all the measures I took to try to

insulate itself politically and

legally from any opprobrium, that that was crumbling.

>> NARRATOR: As the political and legal climate turned

dramatically against the CIA, at the White House, there was

a strong move to end the program for good.

>> There's kind of a raging fight going on inside the

administration, where you've got a number of people who want

to bring this program to an end.

>> NARRATOR: Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who once

supported the program, now led the charge to shut it down.

>> Secretary Rice had long had

her doubts about the program and

was now really quite uneasy about it.

>> NARRATOR: With congressional

and public pressure mounting, the president had to make

a decision.

>> Finally, there's a dramatic

meeting that takes place inside the Roosevelt Room, where

everybody's sitting around the

table except for two members of the cabinet, who are on

television screens.

>> Secretary Rumsfeld and the vice president, they appeared,

one on one large screen at one

end of the table, the other on

a large screen on the other end of the table.

>> NARRATOR: As he polled his advisors, there was near

unanimous agreement with Rice's position.

>> There was no one who objected

until the voice on the screen

coming from the vice president, a loud: "No.

I vote no."

And for a brief instant, everyone in the room, including

the president, stared up at his image on the screen.

>> Finally, Rice responds, and she pulls really what's her

trump card with the president.

She says, "Mr. President, don't let this be your legacy.

You don't want to be known,"

in effect, what she's saying is,

"as the president of torture."

>> NARRATOR: It looked like Rice had won the argument.

They scheduled a major address by the president.

>> It was a dramatic event,

the president speaking to an audience of invited guests

in the East Room... >> The president's speech today

was heavily promoted by the White House.

In the audience, the vice president, members of the

cabinet... >> NARRATOR: As his government

gathered, Rice believed Bush would reject Cheney's advice.

>> Many people who wanted to see this program end think

it's going to be a speech that

finally admits that they need to turn the corner.

>> The president of the United States.

>> NARRATOR: But the speech

would be a denial that the CIA had done anything wrong.

>> I want to be absolutely clear

with our people and the world,

the United States does not torture.

It's against our laws and it's against our values.

I have not authorized it and I will not authorize it.

>> NARRATOR: And the president

made an argument for why the program was necessary.

>> Questioning the detainees

in this program has given us information that has saved

innocent lives by helping us stop new attacks.

>> It's not a speech in which

he's saying, "This is something

we did after 9/11 we now regret,

we never should have done it."

It's a speech that's saying,

"We got really valuable stuff as a result."

>> And soon, he began to provide

information on key al-Qaeda operatives.

>> NARRATOR: Without Rice's knowledge, the president's

speechwriters had been briefed

by the CIA about what they said

was the program's effectiveness.

>> ...including information that

helped us find and capture more of those responsible for the

attacks on September the 11th.

>> It turned out to be much more

of a robust defense of what they had done.

An assertion, in fact, that

these interrogation techniques had actually worked.

>> NARRATOR: And the president

demanded that Congress legalize the program.

>> The need for this legislation is urgent.

We need to ensure that those questioning terrorists can

continue to do everything within

the limits of the law to get information that can save

American lives.

>> NARRATOR: Without revealing

the graphic details of the program, the administration

would convince the Republican Congress to allow it to

continue.

And there was something else.

>> One small and little-noticed aspect of this piece of

legislation was it includes immunity for anybody at the CIA

that might have worked in this program.

And not just at the CIA, it turns out.

It's going to give immunity to

anybody who had anything to do

with this program, right on up to the vice president.

>> Bush has signed into law one

of the most controversial acts

of his time in the White House.

>> The bill becomes law with the president's signature.

>> NARRATOR: It seemed like the

controversy was finally over.

(bell ringing)

>> NARRATOR: But then one year later, in 2007...

>> We found out that the agency had this documentary footage

of the early interrogations,

and they had actually destroyed that evidence.

>> First, we learned today that the CIA videotaped the

interrogation.

>> One of the tapes is believed

to have shown CIA agents waterboarding.

>> The tapes were destroyed two years ago on the orders...

>> NARRATOR: John Rizzo's secret was out.

>> I immediately saw this as one

of the ultimate nightmare scenarios for CIA.

>> NARRATOR: Rizzo worried that

any hint of a cover-up would incense Congress.

>> Nothing makes Congress madder than that chain of events.

>> NARRATOR: But he believed congressional leaders had been

told by director Porter Goss two years earlier.

To confirm it, he called Goss.

>> I said, "Now Porter, you

remember that we had divided up responsibility.

I was going to tell the White

House, and you said you would inform the heads of the

intelligence committees on the Hill."

I'll never forget this.

There was a pause on the other

end of the line, and Porter said, responded, "Well,

actually, actually, I don't

think I ever really told the heads of the intelligence

committee."

The words he used was, "There just didn't seem to be

the right time to do it."

(dial tone)

>> The Senate Intelligence Committee is in a furor over it.

>> I think there's a realization, "Whoa, why were

tapes destroyed?"

There is only one reason why they were destroyed:

because certain people wanted

that information never to be available.

>> At that moment, they begin

to realize that they have to do

an independent investigation of their own.

>> Democrats are laying the

groundwork for further inquiry into why the CIA...

>> NARRATOR: They would set up

that secret basement office in

Virginia, and researchers would

begin plowing through the six

million pages of CIA cables, emails, and documents...

>> It had the potential to lead us to the truth.

And then in the end, recommendations would be

generated to ensure that this wouldn't happen in the future.

>> ...to determine whether CIA interrogators broke the law.

>> NARRATOR: At the CIA, Leon Panetta was the new director,

appointed by President Obama in 2009.

They shut down the program,

and now Panetta ordered his own parallel investigation.

>> It was not an unprecedented

thing for a CIA director to do.

The idea is before you, or as you are turning over documents

to this investigating committee,

you want to know, for the sake

of your institution, what it is you're turning over.

>> NARRATOR: Both investigations would continue in secret.

Then in 2011, the killing

of Osama bin Laden would reopen the public debate.

>> Where was the last time you saw bin Laden?

>> NARRATOR: And on movie screens, the CIA's version

of the story: that EITs led to bin Laden.

>> We've got a possible jackpot.

>> Roger that, possible jackpot.

(gunshot)

>> This is Red Zero Two.

Geronimo.

For God and country.

Geronimo.

>> NARRATOR: Now the effectiveness of the EIT program

was firmly fixed in the minds of millions of Americans.

>> Any station, this is Red Zero Two.

We need a body bag.

>> Movies like Zero Dark Thirty have a huge impact.

More people see them and more people get their impressions

about what happened from a movie like that than they do from

countless news stories or TV spots.

>> NARRATOR: But inside their

offices, Senate investigators were working on their own

version of the story.

As they dug through the CIA's

documents, they made a stunning

find: they came across the top-secret Panetta Review.

>> As I understand it, the Panetta Review one day just

came through amidst a tranche of materials.

And when the team saw it, they

obviously saw it as being relevant.

>> NARRATOR: The Senate investigators believed they'd

found a smoking gun: an internal

CIA report that directly contradicted the agency's

official positions.

>> Once they got it, they weren't going to give it back

because in their minds, that was

really the sort of holy grail for them.

>> NARRATOR: Senate staffers

had something special and wanted to make sure it was safe.

>> I think everybody realized how sensitive and potentially

explosive this report was, and they wanted to make sure

it didn't disappear, like those CIA interrogation tapes.

>> NARRATOR: So one night, the Senate staff printed key

portions of the Panetta Review, secretly crossed the Potomac

River, and placed it in a safe on Capitol Hill.

>> It's a pretty extreme act, taking a classified document

out of a classified facility, and you're bringing it to the

Senate and putting it in a safe.

>> NARRATOR: It was locked in this room.

Only members of the intelligence committee could read it.

But only Democrats did, including Mark Udall.

>> The Panetta Review is a

comprehensive and thorough set of documents.

It should be declassified.

It confirms what the committee

staff and the committee study determined.

>> NARRATOR: The senators say

the Panetta Review's conclusions

would be echoed in the final Senate report: the program

was brutal, mismanaged, and it didn't work.

>> "Enhanced interrogation

techniques was not an effective means of acquiring

intelligence."

>> We looked at 20 examples of where the administration

was saying these techniques

were effective, and we found that wasn't true at all.

>> "CIA representations were inaccurate and unsupported

by CIA records."

>> NARRATOR: At the CIA, they dismissed the Panetta Review

as nothing more than an internal

draft, and they harshly criticized the Senate report,

insisting the EITs saved lives.

>> My sense in looking at the

report is that they started with their conclusions and

looked through six million pages

of documents, an unprecedented

number, looking for fragments of

chats and emails, taking them out of context, and stacking

them up to prove the points they wanted to make all along.

>> NARRATOR: Obama's new CIA director, John Brennan, refused

to release the Panetta Review

and worked to keep most of the 6,000-page Senate report

classified.

>> There's no question that there is a lot more information

in those 6,000 pages that have yet to see the light of day.

>> What was released was just a summary, some 450 pages.

The real report has not been declassified, and the real

report is chapter and verse of what happened.

>> NARRATOR: For now, there's little Feinstein can do to get

the full report declassified.

>> This just in: the Republicans

have in fact gained control of the U.S. Senate...

>> NARRATOR: In the fall of 2014, the Congress changed

hands.

>> The Democrats got thrown out.

>> NARRATOR: Republicans were now in charge.

Colorado senator Mark Udall was defeated.

>> ...the incoming chairman of the intelligence committee.

>> NARRATOR: Dianne Feinstein was replaced as the chairman

of the intelligence committee by Republican Richard Burr.

>> Senator Richard Burr, he's the Republican chairman.

>> NARRATOR: Burr has recalled

all copies of the 6,000-page classified report.

>> I think there's going to be a whole new day of oversight.

>> NARRATOR: He refused to read the Panetta Review.

>> He voted against it... >> NARRATOR: And promises to

return it to the CIA.

>> The new Republican chair has

asked the Obama administration to return all copies...

>> The fight right now is for history.

There's no more investigations that are gonna happen.

There's no more legal consequences that we know of

at this point.

And there's no policy debate.

Why did it happen?

Was it the right thing?

Was it the wrong thing?

And how should we look at it in generations to come?

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