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welcome back to the Dr
Taylor Marshall podcast and

today I'm sharing my
it's going to be interesting

interview with Archbishop Carlo
Maria vigano he is the most controversial

Bishop uh alive today he has declared
that Pope Francis is an anti-pe even a

counter Pope he has exposed numerous
scandals Vatican bank scandals he was at

the epicenter of the controversy and the
expose of mccarrick and the accusation

of him molesting boys and other scandals
and I finally get an interview with

Archbishop Viano I've been asking
this for years and it's finally here and I

think it's appropriate especially
since he's been declared

excommunicated by Cardinal
Fernandez and I'm going to ask

him directly about that he's going to
give his answer and the topics today are

questions that I wanted to hear from
Archbishop vegano directly I've think

I've read almost everything
that Archbishop vegano has

written since the summer of
Shame and these are topics

such as do you believe the
Third Secret of Fatima revealed

in 2000 are real we talk about
set of eonism we talk about

sedi privation ISM we talk
about the fraternity of St

Peter Institute of Christ the
King CI Pas I 10th all kinds

of things and unfortunately Archbishop
Carl muray vegan know will not be on screen

with me live um there's a couple reasons
for this uh first he cites his thick

Italian accent he has uh
great English I've spoken to him

on the phone before um but
he was concerned about that and

then also just the grave
nature of the topics that we're

discussing I mean we're
talking about Fatima we're talking

about heaven and hell we're
talking about excommunication um

we're talking about anti-popes
and Archbishop vegano wanted

to take time careful time
to reflect and then write

these down in a in a mature
Review of the 14 questions

and responsible way so what you're
seeing is his um his careful analysis of

these questions I'm going to
share with you off the bat the

questions uh ahead of time
and U I'm going to give you a

little bit of biography on the background
of vegano not everyone knows the

whole background and the biography
of vegano and then we'll jump right into

it so here are the questions
that I gave Archbishop vegano

and he responded to first of all do
you believe that the 2000 year of 2000

published Third Secret of
Fatima was the real one or is it

fake is it a fraud two I asked
him about Vatican bank scandals

one of which he is exposed
and ask him do you think the

Vatican Bank should be
abolished third in my book infiltration

I documented Archbishop
vgo's investigative work as

the Secretary General at
the governor of the Vatican

City from 2009 to 2011 under Pope benedi
16th and I asked vegan what else did you

find during that investigation
and for the sake of history

for the sake of clarity what
exactly happened and this

will be as far as I know the
first time he's ever documented

it with exact details dates
names Cardinals Etc it's

quite fascinating four cardinal Fernandez
stated that you received Archbishop

vegano a latte sentenia excommunication
for the crime of sism and I asked

Archbishop vegano does this canonical
penalty apply you why or why not five I

ask him who are the most dangerous
men currently right now in the Vatican

six uh I ask him some pastoral questions
I say what should lay Catholics do if

the traditional at Mass were to be
banned one day seven what are your

excellency's thoughts
on the fraternity of St Peter

Institute of Christ the King
and the Society of St Pas the

10th a what would you say to Layman Layman
who do not have access to the traditional

Latin Mass what should they do
nine I asked Archbishop vegano what

was Cardinal mccarrick's
role in the China Vatican deal

that Cardinal Zen has objected
to um so often over the last

few years 10 I ask
Archbishop vegano as him

being former Nuno to the United States
of America what is his opinion on the

status of the health of the United
States Bishops number 11 this is a really

interesting one as you know some people
believe that Pope b v 16th never truly

resigned because he
resigned the ministerium of the

papacy but not the munist
not the office so I ask

Archbishop vno what he thinks of
this argument that Ben the 16th did not

resign based on the munis
ministerium distinction and I think

you'll be quite surprised to
hear what Archbishop vegano

says about that 12 I asked Archbishop
vegano what should a future Pope

do should he declare Pope Francis AKA
bolio as an anti-pe should he invalidate

or nfy Vatican 2 What
should happen in his opinion

13 Pope St Leo II declared his
predecessor Pope anius anathema that is

a cursed cut off and I ask
Archbishop vegano will this

happen again and in particular
will it happen again for Pope

Francis in his opinion and then 14
and lastly this is a really interesting

question and I was really happy to
see that he answered it I stated if Pope

Francis if bergolo is
an anti-pot wouldn't his

Cardinals like Cardinal
Fernandez wouldn't

his Cardinals be anti-
Cardinals and therefore

invalid and and if they're invalid
Cardinals how would there be a conclave

to elect another valid Pope you see the
problem here and to solve this problem I

asked Archbishop vgo if he has read
Gerard delorier Kasa chakum thesis the

kasakam thesis is a um Scholastic
treatment by a Dominican Theologian who

since passed away um and I
ask Archbishop vegano does

he agree with this thesis
regarding a material papacy

argument where a pope who was
not validly Pope could still make valid

Cardinals so those are the questions
and Archbishop vegano does uh

a great job interesting job
whether you agree with him or

not he clearly took time to
carefully think through these

and pen out um some
interesting responses that I think

that you're going to enjoy
and maybe learn something or

maybe disagree with them
even more U before we pray

and get into the questions
I just want to give a

background on Archbishop
vegano so he was ordained well

he was born in 1941 he was
ordained in 1968 under the old

ordinal and as a priest he
served on diplomatic missions

before being consecrated
Bishop under John Paul II in

1992 he served in the governor of
Vatican City state from 2009 to 2011 and

he'll share uh quite a bit of
his experience during during

that time and then he was
appointed Secretary General

uh when he was Secretary General of the
Vatican Governor um he was appointed by

Pope Ben the 16th to reform the finances
and he found deficits he found some

scandals he found the Surplus and he
notified directly uh Pope Benedict and

this led well this sort of
Spilled Out into the public as

what's known as the V links
the Vatican leaks and he'll talk

about that as well you'll
remember the butler um who

was uh sneaking out
documents releasing to the public

publishing them and there's a huge
Scandal under Pope Ben the 16th

Archbishop vegano will definitely
provide some clarity on what exactly was

happening during that time
he then was sort of ejected out

of the Vatican and he served
as the apostolic Nuno or the

Ambassador from the Vatican
to the United States from 2011 to

2016 and he became most famous

in 2018 when he
published the 11 page

epistle which accused Pope Francis and
numerous other Cardinals and Bishops for

covering up and concealing
the sexual misconduct

of cardinal Theodore
mccarrick who was the Cardinal

Archbishop of Washington D.C and in this
letter it was very scandalous Archbishop

vegano revealed that
Pope Bennett the 16th had

placed restrictions on
Cardinal mccarrick and

that Pope Francis had either released
them or refused to enforce them and

because of this at that
time in 2018 AR Archbishop

vegano called for the
resignation publicly called for the

resignation of Pope Francis which
was quite a big deal hasn't happened in

quite some time in the
Catholic church and he has

continued to publish letters
and messages until finally in

year 2024 on the 5th
of July 2024 the decter

for the doctrine of the faith
under Cardinal Fernandez

announced that Archbishop
vegano had been found guilty

of sism and had therefore
incurred excommunication latte

senten this means that Archbishop
vegano retains his title as Archbishop but

according to canon law and
according to the interpretation

of Fernandez not the interpretation
of vgo as you will see um

he is not permitted to celebrate mass or
sacraments and Archbishop vegano as you

see maintains his
innocence and states that he

is not in fact excommunicated
for two reasons as

he'll explain in this interview
so that's the background

on Archbishop vegano and
um there's a couple things

I'll say before we pray and that is
first of all I want to clear up a rumor

it's been going down for
a couple years and that

is that I Taylor Marshall
Am The Ghost Writer

or collaborator with Archbishop vegano
100% not the case I've never written one

sentence or even one word for Archbishop
vegano I've never worked for him um and

that's that so that's a rumor
that should probably die

I've never met him in person
but I have spoken to him on

the phone and in
correspondence and then

secondly whether or not you
agree with Archbishop vegan I

think you can realize that
we're in a crisis right now we're

in a time where there's confusion where
there is a collapse in faith in Europe

and we're beginning to
see it in the United States of

America and in the Western
Hemisphere and people are

looking for answers and part of
Archbishop vgo's assessment is that

the Deep church and the Deep state
that is infiltrating forces both in the

political realm and in the realm
of the Catholic Church are working

together that there's a symbiotic
relationship between the parasites in

the UN the EU the
United States um

Eastern Europe China and that it's
sort of hand and glove working inside the

Catholic church and that this
this Nexus this connection has

to do very much with Pope
Francis AKA Jorge bolio the S gal

Mafia the lavender Mafia
uh the homosexual Lobby in

the church Freemasonry
Etc and you'll see that come

out in this interview so when we
begin with the prayer we'll begin with

the Our father and then we'll jump
into the Our Father prayer in Latin

questions amen

[Music]

amen I know many
amen well the first

question of Archbishop vegano is that
I asked him was do you think that the

third version I'm sorry the the version of
the Third Secret of FAA published in the

year 2000 is the real one or
is it fake and I'll share on the

screen the text here we

go Archbishop vegano responds
and he says the text of the

third part of The Secret of
Fatima was delivered by Sister

Lucia to the bishop of Lea in 1944
it refers to the vision that the three

Shepherd children had in 1917 in which
the Virgin Mary expressly stated was to

be revealed in 1960 it was delivered to
the holy office in 1957 during the reign

of Pope p i 1. Is the 2000 published
third secret of Fatima is the real one?

12th John the 23rd read it in
1959 and decided not to make it

public Paul v 6 did the same in 1967
John Paul II read it in 1978 or perhaps

in 1981 in 2000 on the occasion
of the Jubilee He ordered its

publication leaving people
to believe that it was the

complete text saying that
the vision of the stricken Pope

referred to him and more
precisely the attack he suffered on

St Peter Square in May 13th
1981 this is the assassination

attempt against John Paul II
the suspicion that the text of the

secret has been manipulated is more than
well-founded Archbishop Veno goes on to

say beyond the anomalies and
Technical inconsistencies such

as the format of the paper
support used by Sister Lucia

it seems clear to me that the
revealed content was censored

so as not to confirm that
it was that what was there

for all to see the demolition
of the Catholic Church

from within and the apostasy
of the faith through a bad

Council and a bad Mass the
decision not to jeopardize the

Revolutionary outcome of Vatican 2
LED ronali John 23d to decide not to reveal

the Third Secret Montini Paul the 6
acted in the same way also because the

revolution of the council
had in the meantime extended

to lurgical reform that is
the novas sordo on the other

hand it is not surprising that
a hierarchy that adulterates

the sacred scripture and
the magisterium can also

go so far as to censor the
words of the most holy virgin

in the context of apparitions
recognized by the church end

quote so Archbishop vegano
is saying in his opinion most

definitely the Third Secret
of Fatima is manipulated or is

false and he says if these hierarchs
clergy Bishops Cardinals even

popes would adulterate
scripture and magisterium they

would adulterate the words
of the Virgin and Archbishop

vegano shares that he
believes that the true message of

the Third Secret of Fatima
was that there would be an

apostasy due to a bad
Council and to a bad

Mass all right we're going to look
now at the second question and it

regards the Vatican bank and
I ask him should the Vatican

Bank be abolished 2. Should
the Vatican Bank be abolished?

Archbishop vegano
responds The Institute of

works of religion the i
i is the abbreviation for

the title in both Latin and
Italian it's the official name

of the Vatican bank it's not
called the Vatican bank it's

called the I or The Institute of works of
religion is a bank says vegano and it is

normal that an institution
such as the Catholic church

in the Vatican City state
are equipped with one its

management is entrusted to
two lay people the president

and a general director while
a commission of cardinals

is responsible for
supervising its activities since

since it is not administered
by the government of

Vatican City in my function of General
Secretary I never had any institutional

role in the operation of the bank it is
up to those who administer the I I.E the

commission of Cardinals and ultimately
the Secretariat of State on behalf of

the Holy Father to dictate
the rules that guarantee its

correct management and the
transparency of its operations

and also to prevent speculation
and elicit activities now that leads us to

this very important next
question it's the third question

and this is where I ask
Archbishop vegano to detail exact

exactly what was going on in the
governor of the Vatican City with the

Vatican bank and here he gives dates
names and I think for the sake of 3. In

my book Infiltration, I document your
investigative work as secretary-general

of the Governorate of Vatican City State
from 2009 to 2011 under Pope Benedict

XVI. What else did you find? For the
sake of history, what exactly happened?

History this portion of the interview is
very important I think this will go down

in the history books there
is a lot of detail here it is

very long but I think it's
worth our study and worth our

analysis so again I ask
him in my book infiltration I

document your investigative
work as Secret AR general

of the governor of Vatican City state
from July 2009 to September 2011 under

Pope Bennett the 16th what
else did you find for the sake

of History can you tell us
exactly what happened and here

is Arch Bishop vegano
answer before being appointed

to the governor at I've
been appointed by John

Paul II as the Delegate for
the pontifical representations

in the first section of the
Secretariat of the state

my immediate Superior
were the substitute and the

Secretary of State who are
the only ones with direct access

to the Holy Father listen to the details
here folks my task was to prepare all

the dossier relating to the
hiring and promotion of the

staff of the Roman curia and
the apostolic notit and also

to manage highly confidential dossier
concerning members of the Roman decast

and the College of cardinals all
right so vegano is managing highly

confidential dossier on
members of the dicasteries and

the College of cardinals
my investigative activity says

Archbishop vegano preparing
the dossier and formulating

an assessment on the persons
and the suggestion of the

decisions to be taken
ended with the delivery of

the dossier to the substitute
it was then up to the

substitute and the Secretary of State
first sadono and then Bron these are

cardinals to present my dossier to the
Pope or not deciding based on their own

total discretion whether to advance
someone or shove them for example in

addition to the well-known
case of mccarrick what did

my superiors do when I
gathered very serious information

about Cardinal Maraga
why was he elevated to the

rank of cardinal instead
of being punished in

accordance with the crimes
he committed so we see here

there's sort of a circuit
breaker between Archbishop vgo

and the pope and it has to go through
the secretary of state so Archbishop

vegano could assemble these dossier
in this case against Cardinal Mara Diaga

and present them to the pope
but if the Secretary of State

or the substitute got involved
they could be sheld and they

could never get all
the way to the top does

that make sense
Archbishop vegano goes on to

explain some of these problems in the
Vatican flow he says Cardinal Bron who

kept Pope Benedict under under
control obtained his permission

to remove me from my
position because as I said in my

June 2024 statement jacus I
was obstructing his action and his

appointments he had me
sent to the governor as general

secretary but since it was
a demino that is a demotion

compared to the previous role Bron
promised me at the end of Lolo's term

who was now close to retirement
I would be appointed president

of the governor a Cardinal's
position on the very first

day of beginning my role at the governor
at 16th of July 2009 I realized the

total irregularity and Corruption of the
administration I immediately discovered

the existence of a finance and
management commission an illegal entity

that was not foreseen by
the statutes of the governor

composed of a group of eminent
Italian Bankers who were in

charge of the financial
management of the Vatican

City State this commission
presented a merely

con presented as merely a
consultative body in reality

had decision-making functions
and speculated for their own

profit on Vatican Investments placed
in investment funds including black

rock it seems that black rock has
their finger in every Pi including this Pi

according to Archbishop
vegano so continuing along he

says including Black Rock
with which they had signed

management contracts whose costs
were higher than the interest paid to the

Vatican Governor vegano says I therefore
immediately set to work and within a few

months the deficit of over $10 million
that existed in the 2009 fiscal year

changed to a surplus of $44 million
putting an end to the illicit Affairs of

both preets and lay
people people this recovery

operation should obviously
have entailed the removal of

the protagonists of such malfant
starting with Cardinal president loolo

and the administrative director of
the Vatican Museums monor Paulo

nicolini loolo who reeks of
Freemasonry is roped together with

Cardinal silvestrini
who is in turn a creature

of the Secretary of
State austino ceroli

the man of ostop atic a key figure of
the pontificate of John Paul II here we

see Archbishop vegano connecting
the Italian Bankers with Freemasonry if

you've done any research or any reading
on the history of the Mafia the mob in

Italy and the role of banking in the
connection with Italian Freemasonry it's

thick it's thick some of that is
covered in my book infiltration

if you want to read that
you can get it at a Catholic

bookstore Amazon I'll send you a sign
copy if you go to patreon.com drtaylor

Marshall silvast strini head
of the second section of

relations with the States was
a prominent member of the s g

Mafia again if you want to
know what the s g Mafia is

reading my book infiltration
I give you the names I give

you the dates he was a member of the S
Gan Mafia and head of the Villa Nazareth

University College a sort
of ecclesiastical version

of the young global
leaders for tomor Pam of

Davos here you see deep
Church deep State working

together former Italian Prime Minister
jepi Conte a dark figure who condemned

Italians to house arrest during
the pandemic farce emerg

from this breeding ground at
the crossroads between deep

church and deep State mon Senor
pilot nicolini belongs to the so-called

lavender Mafia the Vatican homosexual
Lobby as administrative director of the

Vatican Museums and
cultural heritage of the

Govern Governor he
found himself managing the

main source of revenue for
the Vatican City State among

nicolini's main misdeeds
that I immediately had to deal

with there was a contract he prepared
with the approval of cardinal Lolo and

my predecessor monino ronato Bardo
for the restoration of bernini's colonade

and the two Fountains
of St Peters for the value

of 15 million EOS the
governor was not actually

included among the parties to the
said contract which had instead been

stipulated in a Swiss bank
between the company responsible

for raising funds to finance
The Works through an advertising

display on the colonade of St
Peter square and the company

in charge of the restoration
work chosen by nicolini

without any tender monsor nicolini
was owed a significant monthly fee paid to

him directly by The
Firm that raised the funds

through advertising The
Firm this firm retained

for itself some millions of
Euros already collected which

should have been paid to
the company that was carrying

out the Restorations
according to the progress

of the work to the
point of causing its

Interruption I was therefore
forced to intervene to have

the contract dissolved and
demand that the sums collected be

immediately paid to the
governor and thus provide the

remuneration of The Works
carried out it was then that I was

kicked out of the
governor and Cardinal aelo

once again found
himself in a position to act

undisturbed so here's just one
example of some graft some Kickbacks

some manipulation of contracts and
the flow of money for the restoration of

what was it burn uh bernini's
colonade yeah in the two

fountains if you ever been
to St peters's uh the Vatican

in Rome there's those two
fountains out in the Piaza I I

assume that's what he's
talking about there so this is

just an example here of of
one case that's worth $15

million with corruption and
Archbishop vegano comes on

the scene he blows the
listle and he's out he's kicked

out Archbishop vegano
gives us another case he says

another case of mismanagement
was the assignment of the

contract for setting up sales points at
the Vatican musician uh museums sorry

the Vatican Museums to the Opera
laborator laborator fiorentini which

represented a turnover of
millions of Euros in which allowed

nicolini to gain an enormous
personal economic Advantage

under the table vegano
says my removal from

the governor occurred
after defamatory press

campaign organized by monor nicolini
and the young powerful Marco Simeon a

well-known homosexual Freemason
former Secretary of the minister for urban

cultural heritage and Secretary of the
president of medob banka an intimate

friend of the Secretary of State Bretton
and his Protegé to whom he he later owed

his promotion to the
Italian State television

ra AI where he was
in charge of relations

with the Vatican my work was
nullified said vegano in called the team of

collaborator collaborators
I had set up confirming in

their places all the corruption
protagonists I had reported

monsenor nicolini was promoted to head
of the pontifical Villas in Castle gondo

where he would manage an
enormous property much larger

than the Vatican City State
he obtained from bolio the

immediate expulsion with brutal and
vict vindictive methods of Eugenio hosler a

man of integrity and my
close collaborator son of of

the major of the Swiss guard
who saw his reputation his

personal career his good name
and indeed his very existence

destroyed recently monsenor
nicolini was appointed by bolio

as director of the lato SE
higher education center which

deals with green projects
in accordance with

the dictat of the world
economic Forum of

Davos the latest of them advertised a
few weeks ago consisted of Agro voltaic

plant of an agro voltaic
plant in the extr territorial

Vatican property of Santa
Maria de Galeria the project had

already been proposed
by Cardinal lello under

Bennett the 16th and I
was one who prevented its

realization so here you
kind of see you know

it's not just the banks
and it's not just the

flow of money it's also these projects
that are associated with according to

vegano papal documents
right so they need this done

it's been blocked before and to sort of
pave the way for these green projects

there is the lato C and
so he takes nicolini who's

this corrupt guy according
to vegano and bolio appoints

him the director of this lato SE Center
and then they begin their project so

again it's sort of this
hand and glove deep

State deep Church according
to Archbishop vegano

following these media attacks
Pope Ben the 16th set up a

commission of inquiry made up
of three Cardinals harons Burke

and Lolo despite the latter being directly
implicated and I think just as an aside

here this shows uh
just Pope Benedict being

naive and I think you know in retrospect we
see that Bretton managed to persuade heran

to dissolve the commission
which he then replaced with a

disciplinary Commission of
the governor which despite being

under the control of bton
himself decided to dismiss

nicolini and adopted sanctioning
me measures against the

management of the pontifical Villas
the measures adopted by this disciplinary

commission were however nullified by
Bron and leelo so again someone gets in

trouble someone above
covers for them and clears

for them while Pope
Benedict had twice EXP

expressed to me his desire
to appoint me as president

of the prefecture of economic
Affairs of the Holy sea in

place of cardinal vasio de
Pei a position he told me in

which I could best serve
the holy sea Berton obtained

my being sent to Washington DC away from
the Roman Kira and those I had Disturbed

in my fight against
corruption so here is where

the story of Archbishop
vegano becomes even more

interesting he's uncovered these scandal
in the Vatican they need to get them out

Bretton wants them out so
they give him it's not really a

promotion but they say okay
you're going to be the ambassador

to the United States of
America Apostolic nuo that way

you're out of all of these economic
details we can kind of Run free do what

we want to do do side deals do Kickbacks
and we're going to send you over to DC

and you won't be with us anymore and of
course Archbishop vegano is now going to

expose the greatest controversy in
American Catholic history and that is

the sexual perversion and molestation
of the leading Cardinal in America the

Cardinal of Washington DC
mccarrick but in the meantime there was

the controversy of the butler the Pope's
Butler who was leaking correspondence

to the Press let's take
a look at that Archbishop

vegano he says the
butler Paulo gabrieli

and I've done podcasts on
this you can go back uh on the

Dr T Mar podcast and and watch
whole podcast me documenting

exactly what happened
here he says he's an honest

and naive but
well-intentioned man on his own

initiative handed over to the
press my letters vegano letters

addressed to Pope Benedict
and Tony in which I denounced

the vast corruption in the governor
with this gesture gabrial hoped

to be able to help Benedict by bringing
to light the network of complicity in

the Vatican the role of
excessive power of Bertoni and

leolo and the machinations
against the Pope the role

of monor gvin was also decisive
he competed with Bron for

control over Benedict in the in
the government of the Church

in 2012 after Pope Benedict's
Butler leaking documents

the leak of these documents vtil
links one the pope established a new

Commission of cardinals
composed of heran Tom Co and de

Georgie despite the fact that I was at
the center of those events this new body

tried to ignore me for at
least two months and it was

only following my explicit
telephone request to Cardinal

heran while I was in
Washington that I was listening to

said I could give my testimony
your eminence don't you think

I also have something
to say in this matter the

Cardinal's upset response
was if you really want

to my written memorandum says
vegano in addition to the report of the

interrogation was inserted in the famous
white box that the ameritus delivered to

bolio in April 2013
when he went to visit him

in Cal gondo instructing
his success Professor

bolio Francis to intervene and remedy
the rampant corruption in the Vatican

and here is the picture of
the white box documented

all right this contains
the infamous "white box"

important documents and it
contains veganos memorandum right

there gets interesting because

here is where vegano meets with

bolio on the 23rd of
June 2013 so bolio

is in the Vatican right
he's been elected he's

Pope Francis vegano
meets with him he says on

the 23rd June 2013 when I met bolio
after he asked me about mccarrick and

the Jesuits in the
United States in order to

feel out my position he
asked me to give him the

dossier that I had given to the three
Cardinals appointed by Benedict to

investigate I did so immediately and
he told me I have a small safe in my

bedroom now I'll take it over
there which he did and read it this

evening vegano goes on to
explain it is obvious that bolia

was only interested in knowing
who the corrupt people were

in order to be able to
use control and blackmail

them nicolini was
among his proteges a man

who as we have seen he
not only kept in his place but

promoted to higher positions
eliminating anyone who would

oppose him starting with Eugenio
hosler I've often wondered vegano says

what happened to that white
box and why the two cardinals still

alive heran and deori continue to
remain silent in the face of the coverup of

what emerged from their
investigation so vegano

says there is a coverup
there is a scandal it

is written down it is in that white
box and why is it that the two

cardinals who help prepare
it have remain quiet for all

these years well now we know
why if you come out and are

critical of the Vatican or a critical of
Francis you get the bishop Strickland

treatment you're removed from your
sea or in the case of vegano they issue and

say youve received a latte
sentenia excommunication

bye-bye so that reveals sort of how the
sausage is made in the Vatican and now I

ask Archbishop vegano directly
about his excommunication and

whether he considers 4. Cardinal
Fernandez stated you received

a latae sententiae excommunication
for the crime of schism.

Does the canonical penalty
apply to you? Why or why not?

himself to be excommunicated why or
why not Archbishop yo explains he says on

June 11th 2024 so this year I was
informed by a simple email without ever

receiving any official notification of
a canonical trial against me I was told

that if I wish to oppose the accusations
made against me I need to appear in Rome

Just nine days later on June 20th or
else to submit my written defense by

June 28th the vigil of the Feast of
Saints Peter and Paul I do not believe

that such a short time to prepare one's
defense it is given even if you just get

a parking ticket the charges
brought against me are completely

inconsistent I'm accused of
sism for having questioned

the legitimacy of bolio and
for having rejected Vatican 2

but the law recognizes the
non-applicability of the will or

intention to commit sism in the case in
which the accused person is persuaded

that the one who sits on the throne
of Peter is not the Pope and where the

groundlessness of his suspicions is
demonstrated is willing to submit to his

authority so I'm going to
pause here there's a lot there

what Archbishop vegano is
saying here is according to

the law according
his to his read on it if

someone is persuaded that the one who
sits on the throne of Peter is not the Pope

and there are
grounds for that it's not

groundless and he if convinced
otherwise would submit to his

authority then the penalty does not
apply he goes on to say I consider Jorge

Maria bolo an anti-pe or better said a
counter Pope a usurper an emissary of

the anti-catholic lobby that has
infiltrated the church for decades the

evidence that he is completely alien to
the papacy his multiple heresies and the

coherence of his subversive acts
of government and scare quotes

magisterium are very serious elements
that cannot be hastily dismissed and of

course if you watch this
podcast uh We've covered

many of those things the
patcham mama and some of the

statements many of the statements
and actions vegano says regardless of the

method and Merit of the extrajudicial
canonical case the vacancy of the

apostolic Sea and the usurpation of the
Throne of Peter by a false Pope render

all the acts of the Roman decastes
completely void of validity and efficacy

so even the excommunication against
me is null here Archbishop vegano is listed

the two reasons why he believes he's not
excommunicated first off canon law would

release him from that penalty
based on the condition I

read from him above secondly
he just says Francis isn't the

pope so any
extrajudicial canonical

case um is no one void end the

story he then says we are
faced with a canonical Short

Circuit the one who holds the Supreme
Earthly Authority in the church at the

moment in which he is denounced for
heresy responds by accusing of sism the

one who denounces him and excommunicates
him this instrumental use of Justice

typical of dictatorships says vegano
contradicts the men's or the mind of the

legislator and rightly falls under
what is foreseen by the bull of Paul I

four it is the very adhesion to heresy
that expels the heretic from the church

and renders his authority
illegitimate invalid

and no here he is
referring to the bull of

Pope Paul IV and it states
that any 5. Who are the

three most dangerous men
in the Vatican right now?

cleric who is a heretic cannot assume
Church office can't become a bishop

can't become an Archbishop
can't become a cardinal and even

says cannot become a pope
that the adhesion to heresy makes

it impossible for a man to be appointed to
a church office and Archbishop vegano is

citing this here from Pope Paul IV
and saying vegano I'm sorry bolio is a

heretic and therefore
it is impossible for him

to assume the papacy
so that's the question on

excommunication the next
question number five who are

the most dangerous men in the Vatican right
now Archbishop vegano says after bolio

the most dangerous are
cardinal Fernandez hich Ro

penup and you'll remember that Cardinal
Fernandez here he is Cardinal Fernandez

he is the one who uh wrote the book heal
me yeah Heal Me with Your Mouth the art

of kissing where he talks about um
kissing a witch he has another book that

also has some erotic material he is the
prefect he is the head of the decast for

the doctrine of faith
and he is the one who

Penn the excommunication
uh or the notification

of excommunication to Archbishop vigano
and we've covered him quite a bit here

on the Dr Taylor Marshall podcast I'm
not a huge fan I think I think it's safe

to say I'm not a huge fan of cardinal
Fernandez and I think he's a Jesuit and

I think his appointment by bolio
reveals some major problems in the mind

and in the Theology of
bolio I mean why would you

appoint this man
who's writing this kind of

trash to be in charge of all the Dogma
all the doctrines and all the morality

in the Catholic church it's comical
so vegano lists Fernandez of

course and let me get it back on
here holic Ro Roos is now in charge of

liturgy and sacraments he's the
prefect pipara these men together with the

Secretary of State Cardinal perin
are all accomplices in the disastrous

management of the Vatican in the entire
church says vegano I recall in passing

that perin was a member of
the network of the second section

of the Secretariat of State
at that time headed by the

Freemason silvestrini a leading member
of the S gallan Mafia to whom he owes

his rise the sixth question
this is the Pastoral

question what should L Catholics do if
the traditional Latin mass is banned by

the Vatican this is something that a lot
of lay Catholics are concerned about not

without reason um what happened in 1970
what happened in 1976 what happened in

1988 and then France is overturning
uh sumor and pontificum by

Pope Ben the 16th so that diois and
Latin masses had a strangle hold around

them people are wondering where is
this going where does it stop so what do we

do if that is to happen and here's what
Archbishop vgo has to say the trentine

mass is a Priceless treasure for the
holy church it has been canonized by its

Century old use in which we see the
voice of sacred tradition expressed in

the hierarchy abusing its power against
the purpose that the Lord is giving it

prevents oh sorry if the
hierarchy yeah if the hierarchy

abusing its power against
the purpose that the Lord has

given it prevents the celebration of the
ancient Mass it commits an abuse and

this prohibition is null priests
and Bishop should show more

courage continuing to
celebrate the ancient right and

refusing to celebrate the Novis
Ordo what's he talking about

here so the traditional Latin mats
which came to its final formation or its

canonization uh under Pope
St Pas I in his decree quo

prum after the Council of Trent so
it's called often the trentine mass was in

effect until 1969 when the New Order
of the mass in Latin novas Ordo Mis was

promulgated and went into effect in
1970 there was a big controversy many

priests refused to celebrate
the new liturgy and only wanted

to celebrate the mass as
they had received it from the

day of their ordination and
here Archbishop vegano is asking

Bishops and Priests to be
courageous and to not only celebrate the

traditional Latin Mass but
to refuse to celebrate the nov

Ordo he goes on to say they
would probably face sanctions

from the Vatican but they
ought to ask themselves what

sanctions will await them
when they have to answer before

the Lord's Tribunal for not
having fulfilled their Duty

preferring servile obedience to
the powerful rather than obedience

to God 6. What should lay Catholics
do if the TLM is banned one day?

the L should organize
themselves into small communities

by purchasing the churches
that are now up for sale or by

setting up home chapels and
by seeking out priests willing

to celebrate the mass and
sacraments for them according

to the apostolic right
and by helping them

materially to carry out
their Ministry end quote

we have seen in the United States
also in Europe that something like

70% of Catholics those who
identify as Catholics do not

believe in the real presence
of Jesus they don't believe in

transubstantiation
they don't believe in

Eucharistic sacrifice
and part of this is because

there was a major shift in
1970 the architecture became

round instead of having
Transcendence like you see in the

cathedrals that were made
for the traditional at Mass the AL

is in the middle the priest
faces the people lay people are

in the sanctuary it's much
more about Community it's much

more about a meal it's much more
about talking and dialoguing that's why the

priest is looking at people over the
altar instead of looking at God over the

Altar and it's my belief you've
heard me say this before

it's my belief that these changes
such as communion on the

hand have slowly

over the decades eroded Catholic belief
in the real presence of Jesus Christ his

true body and blood his soul and
Divinity in the Eucharist you know the

Eucharist is not a symbol the Eucharist
is Jesus Christ the Eucharist is the

second person of the Most Holy Trinity
incarnate of the Immaculate Virgin Mary

so why is it that after 50 years
7 % no longer believe is it bad

sermons well there are
bad sermons but the Liturgy

has created a ethos is created a culture
in which going to mass is more about

getting together having a meal and
what the mass actually is is the second

person of the Trinity incarnate
the Virgin Mary offering

his body and blood on the
cross as a propitiatory sacrifice

as the Lamb of God to God the father
on behalf of mankind in and through the

holy ghost that is the mass that is the
Eucharist and the traditional Latin Mass

expresses that and when
you attend the traditional

Latin Mass you enter
into that trinitarian

action God the son Jesus Christ offering
his body and blood to God the father in

and through the Holy Spirit
and then the priest is Sanctified

and ordained with holy
hands and holy digits to lend his

voice in his hands in
Persona Christi in the person of

Christ and we get to
participate in that that's why the

church says You must attend
Mass every Sunday and on

holy OB holy days of obligation
but you only must receive

communion once a year the most important
thing here is the Eucharistic sacrifice

not necessarily communion
both are infinitely important

I'm just making the point here
and because of that the new

liturgy has eroded faith in the real
presence now the next question regards the

fraternity of St Peter
The Institute of Christ

the King and the Society
of St Pas I 10th and

Archbishop vgo's thoughts on those
groups we are going to take a pause here

I'm going to break this into
part one and part two because

as you can see we're only
about halfway through here

and we're approaching an
hour so we're going to say a

prayer here we're going to
pause and then part two will be

available here on the Dr Taylor
Marshall podcast on YouTube

Twitter Rumble Facebook
and we'll resume the remaining

questions are what
do you think about fssp

Institute of Christ the King sspx
what would you say to laymen who

have no access to the Latin
Mass what was mccarrick's

role in the China Vatican
deal um as the former Nuno to

America what's your take
on the status or the health of

the United States Bishops
do you believe Ben the 16th

resigned because of munus
ministerium what should the next Pope do

should he declare
bolian anti-pop get rid of

Vatican 2 um will he
been be declared anathema

and then how could Cardinals elect a
new pope and do you agree with Gerard Del

laier and the Kasich chakum thesis that
will all be in part two and we'll close

now with a prayer we'll pray
a Hail Mary and this hellur

will be um for an end to
Closing Prayer: Ave Maria

sism and an end to heresy in
the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic

church amen amen

welcome back to our exclusive interview
with his Excellency Archbishop Carlo

Maria vegano his uh interview after
Cardinal Fernandez declared that he had

received a latte Centier excommunication
and this is the continuation from the

first half in the first half
we looked at six questions

that Archbishop vegano
responded to um regarding the Third

Secret of Fatima the Vatican bank
scandals uh whether or not he was actually

excommunicated and the
penalty applies to him we talked

about the most dangerous
men in the Vatican right now

and we also looked at what lay Catholics
should do if the traditional Latin Mass

would be banned that's all in
part one now we move to the

remaining eight questions
and in this second half of the

interview Archbishop
vegano will discuss

his thoughts on the
fraternity of St Peter Institute

of Christ the King and the
Society of St Pas the 10th

he will give advice as to
what Layman should do if they

canot get to the traditional
Latin Mass we'll also look

at mck ex-cardinal mccarrick's
involvement in the China Vatican

deal and his assessment when he
was Apostolic Nuno of the health of the

United States episcopate the
Bishops of the United States of

America look at the question
as to whether Pope Bennett the

16th validly resigned
in 2013 and the

controversy of the munus
ministerium distinction which

are Latin words we'll get
into that a little bit um and

perhaps defect in the resignation
document of Pope Benedict the 16th we'll

also look at what future Pope should
do should they declare Francis an anti-pe

should they invalidate Vatican 2 and
should a future Pope declare Francis

anathema as once did St Leo II on
Pope enorus and then the final question is

about Cardinals and valid Cardinals
and how there could be a future conclave

we'll talk about the Kasa chakum
thesis of GAD delorier and the idea of a

material papacy versus a formal papacy
uh quite interesting I'm really excited

about that last one to hear
Archbishop vegan on that so

we'll begin we'll open up with
a prayer again and then we'll

jump into to these question questions
and answers by Archbishop Carlo Maria

Vio amen [Music]
Our Father Prayer

[Music]

amen St Joseph pray for us St p i 10th
pray for us St P the 5th pray for us St

Peter pray for us

amen all right just picking
up picking up where we left

off in the first half of this
interview we have question

number seven and in the seventh question
I asked Archbishop vegano I asked him

what are your thoughts
on the fraternity of St

Peter fssp The Institute
of Christ the King 7.

What are your thoughts
on FSSP, ICK, and SSPX?

Do you encourage people
to attend their Masses?

Sovereign priest IP and
the Society of St p i 10th sspx

do you encourage people to attend their
masses and here is what Archbishop vgo

said quote the former Ecclesia day
institutes were born from the vatican's

intention to weaken the Society of
St Pas the 10th after the Episcopal

consecrations of 1988 which having given
it self an Apostolic succession was able to

continue its apostolate even
after the death of Archbishop Marcel

leev what's going on here
well the Society of St P the

10th was founded in 1970 by
Archbishop Marcel leev and in

1988 Archbishop leev moved forward
and he consecrated four Bishops without

explicit permission from John Paul II
and that led to the announcement of a

lat senten excommunication same kind of
excommunication that vgo is under and at

that time there was established
the Ecclesia day institutes

and these were groups who
wished to not follow Marcel

fev in this act but wanted to somehow
retain formal communion and formal

submission to the holy sea um and so the
Ecclesia day institutes were created now

since then Pope Francis bolio depending
your take on here with vegano has

abolished the Ecclesia day commission
and these uh Priestly fraternities are

on their own so that's the
context here and this is the

reference to 1988 that Archbishop
vegano makes in this answer

he continues to say the authorization
to celebrate the trentine Liturgy which up

which until then had
been completely excluded

had and still has
as its condition the

acceptance of the post-conciliar
magisterium in the litness of the Novis

Ordo Mass this premise is completely
unacceptable says vegano because it

reduces the celebration of the
traditional Mass to a ceremonial

question while instead it
is evident that the trentine

right summarizes in itself
all the doctrine and spirituality

of the Catholic faith in antithesis to
the protestan IED right of Paul I 6 that

ecumenically silences that
Faith he goes on to say whoever

celebrates the mass of St Pius I cannot
accept Vatican 2 says vegano in fact

from the beginning many priests who
had left the Society of Archbishop leev and

had joined the Ecclesia day
institutes continued to have strong

reservations and so to speak played
on the equivocation of a tacit acceptance

of the Vatican itself did not ask to be
made explicit so here he's saying that

even the Ecclesia day
communities Priestly societies that

didn't go along with
Archbishop Marcel they still kind

of kept an equivocation
um a doubt concerns about

the second Vatican Council and the
Nova order Archbishop vegano goes on to

explain what happened under Pope
Benedict the 16th in 2007 says vegano

Benedict the 16th recognized
the legitimacy of the

traditional liturgy declaring
that the traditional Latin

Mass was the extraordinary form of the
Roman right alongside the ordinary form

of the novas Ordo the mono proprio
summorum pontificum reveals ratzinger's

hegelian approach which
is the coexistence of two

forms of the same right
sought to compose the synthesis

between the thesis of the traditional
mass and the antithesis of the montanian

right what is vegano talking about
here uh Hegel was a post-enlightenment

philosopher who saw the progress of
human thought or human Enlightenment as

a synthesis so over time
there's always a thesis and an

antithesis or an antithesis
and these battle it out over

and over and finally in this kind of
very German way of thinking they meld

and form into a synthesis for human
philosophy human thought and Archbishop

vegano is here saying that Bennett the
16th ratzinger carries with him this post

Enlightenment Germanic
approach this hegelian approach of

seeing the progress of
history as a battle between two

that eventually emerges
into a one it's not a Catholic

way thinking but that's what he means here
by hegelian he says but even if that case

the ideological basis of
the Moto proprio was in

fact was in fact moderated
by practice and so the end

result of sumor pontificum
was relatively positive

at least in the spread
of the celebration of the

traditional Latin mass that today's
younger Generations had never

experienced young priests
and many of the faithful have

embraced the the apostolic
right discovering its beauty

and intrinsic coherence with the
Catholic faith in face of the success of

the mass of all time the modor proprio
tradus custodis that's the Modo proprio

of Francis bolio drastically limited the
liberalization of summorum pontificum

declaring that the right of
every priest to celebrate the

traditional Mass had been
abolished and reserving it only for

the former easia day institutes
for example Le fraternity

of St Peter and Institute
of Christ the King Sovereign

priest thus an Indian Reservation of
more or less conservative clerics who

depend on bolia has been created who
are required to profess the conciliar faith

through the con celebration
of the new right at least once

a year he's talking here about
the crism mass during Holy

Week something that
practically all the priests of

these institutes are
forced to do willingly or not

on the other hand it does
not seem to me that the

Bishops and Cardinals who
support them have expressed any

reservations about the council
or about the doctrinal moral and

lurgical deviations of the post-conciliar
period Summorum Pontificum

and of bolio himself it is difficult to
expect from subordinates a combativeness

that emminent prets have never
demonstrated so here Archbishop

vegano expresses it as an
IND Indian Reservation uh I've

often diagnosed the same problem
I I call it the Corral theory that what the

modernists are trying to do is Corral
traditional priest and traditional Ley

into a Corral like we have down
in Texas where you put livestock

and once you can kind of
her all the livestock into the

cral you can close the gate
and you've got them all there you

can sort them out you can you
know ear tag them brand them

castrate them whatever
you need to do but they're

in the Corral and so I
think Archbishop vegano is

expressing something similar
here by using the term Indian

Reservation which in American
history for all of those who

aren't Americans uh the American
government would gather up Indian tribes

give them reservations and say this is your
place stay here uh I think it's a a similar

analogy Archbishop vegano then goes
on to explain what he sees as the problem

with this Arrangement he says
these institutes are therefore under

blackmail if if if with
sumor and pontificum it was

possible to think of an attempt
at lurgical peace that would

lead conservatives free to
choose the right they prefer

in a vision that was so to
speak liberal with Trad trados

cotus the clergy who celebrate
and the faithful who attend

the traditional Latin Mass
are burdened by the Ecclesia

ecclesial stigma of backwardness of
the rejection of Vatican 2 of preconc

silar rigidity which is
the term Francis uses for

traditionalists in this case vegano
says Cali and parasia yield to the

authoritarianism of bolio who however
does speak an uncomfortable truth the

ancient right calls into question the
ecclesiology and Theology of Vatican 2

and as such does not represent the
conciliar church I'll pause here so what

Archbishop vegano has
expressing here is if you analyze

the traditional Latin Mass
the trentine right and how it

relates to the Council of
Trent and the catechism in the

Council of Trent those things
fit together and then he's saying

that the second Vatican Council and
the novas Ordo those fit together and what

traditionalists have experienced and
what modernists have conspir experienced

is that you can't merge those ratzinger
wanted his hegelian thesis antithesis to

come together a hermeneutic of
continuity a cross-pollination of the

true rights and maybe
something would eventually be

settled in the future and
what he's saying here is that

bolio has thrown a wrench in all of
that and now you have basically choosing

sides and it's not just
lurgical it's not just a

preference it's actually
theological it's dogmatic it has

to do with morals it has to
do with theology so now it's

almost like you're dealing with
package deals and not a lurgical

preference all right
let's go back [Music]

to here we go is
that it there it is

the illusion of lurgical Peace has
therefore been shattered miserably in

the face of evidence of
the irreconcilability of two

rights that excommunicate
each other just like two

churches the Catholic church and the
senatal Church of which they are a cultic

expression so here you can
see how vegano is pushing

the Liturgy the council and then the
pontificate of bolio Francis onto one

side and that is a Catal Church
they even say right and and one of the

problems is is you'll hear
modernist theologians and

they'll and they'll say
things like well before the

council we taught this after
the council we taught that

they'll even slip and they'll
say that sometimes my wife was

once at a noas Ordo
and the priest was there

and he preached um
before the council we taught

that everyone should become
Catholic that was the teaching

of the church after the
council we now know that all

religions are capable of saving people
my wife gathered the children and took

them out right and
in this sermon you

even this kind of liberal modernist
priest is articulating what vegano is

saying but on the other side of the
chasm so whether you agree here with vgo

on this case it is it is
the rhetoric of the left and

it's becoming more the
rhetoric of the right as well if

you want to use left right we
should probably be using ICK

Orthodox traditional versus
modernist all right continuing on now he

talks about the Institute of Christ the
King in the case of the in Institute of

Christ the King Sovereign
priest the ritual and ceremonial

question seems to Prevail
over the doctrinal one and there

no coincidence that amidst
the general dissolution that

exists the Cannons of I'm going
to mispronounce this gri gigo

seem to be exempt from opposition
and ostracism they do not represent a

problem because they do not
question the new course in the

slightest and indeed have
extent extensive citations of

conciliar documents in
their constitutions the other

institutes are also surviving
but it remains to be seen

how they intend to
respond to the coming future

restrictions now he talks about the
Society of St Pas I 10th the Society of

St Pi the 10th after 50
years of activity is showing

signs of tiredness and
sometimes it seems that its Silence

about the horrors of Santa
Marta I'll interject here Santa

Marta is the residence where
Francis Prolo lives the SSPX

hores of Santa Marta is
motivated by a tcid agreement

of non-belligerent perhaps
in the hope of being able to

become the collector of conservativism
and of part of Catholic traditionalism

once Prolo has eliminated the
competition of the former Ecclesia day

institutes vegano continues my fear
is that this hope will in the end lead to

ratifying the day facto sism that is
already present in the church forcing

Catholics to leave the official
church as if they and not the Roman

hierarchy were in a state of sism once
the critical voices are eliminated bolio

would find himself with his own
heretical church from which the priests

and faithful who do not accept
the permanent revolution have been

banished now he turns
his attention to the faithful

what do we do what lay people do vegano
says As for the faithful I believe it is

necessary to understand the situation
of great disorientation Anarchy that is

present in the church and I think we
could all recognize that he goes on to

say many Catholics who have
discovered the traditional Latin

Mass are no longer able to
attend the monian right here he

refers to Montini AKA Paul v 6 AKA he's
referring here to the novas Ordo and he

says it is understandable that they
are content so to speak with the trentine

mass celebrated by the former eclesia
day institutes without how however

accepting the compromises that are required
of their priests but it is a situation that

sooner or later will have
to be clarified especially

if the acceptance of conciliar
and cotal errors becomes

comes the condito Caan
that is the condition without

which of the enjoyment of the
traditional Latin mass in that case the

faithful must act coherently and seek
out priests who are not compromised with

the Catal church he says the horrors of
this pontificate are in any case eroding

the consensus of the clergy with regard
to brolio a traditional faction could

decide not to follow him on
the failed path he has overtaken

sorry undertaken let me reread that since
I messed up a word a traditional faction

could decide not to
follow him 8. What would

you say to laymen
without access to TLM?

on the failed path he has undertaken end
quote Now we move on to question eight

and that is what do you say
to lay people who do not have

access to the traditional
Latin Mass Archbishop vegano

gives some pastoral advice he says I
understand the torment that many feel at

not being able to attend the TR the
trentine mass it is like being deprived

of the very presence of the
Lord and of The Graces that

the holy sacrifice spreads
on souls and on the church but

we must remember that throughout
history many Catholics both

in distant lands not yet reached
by missionaries and also in

times of persecution have found
themselves unable to attend Mass except

on rare occasions a Catholic vegano
says can survive without the mass but not

without the faith if faith is therefore
indispensable for salvation is important

that every Catholic
nourish his or her religious

education by taking up the
trentine catechism again and

nourishing the intellect and the heart
in such a way as to resist the contagion

of the novas Ordo and its
degenerations we must pray that the Lord

sends workers for his Harvest and
we must support the few priests who are

still faithful so those are hard
words coming from Archbishop

vegano we now shift back to mccarrick
and the scandal of mccarrick and his

original accusations against mcck
which were not just about sexual

molestation 9. What was McCarrick's
role in the China-Vatican deal

and misconduct but also about
mccarrick's wheeling and dealing in the

2013 papal conclave in which he spoke
to a distinguished Italian gentleman about

getting bolia elected but
also mccarrick's role in

the China Vatican deal
and I'll just interject here a

personal anecdote when I became Catholic
in 2006 I was in Washington DC and I was

a cardinal mccarrick was giving a talk
and I was there and during the Q&A the

role of the underground
Catholic church and the Chinese

communistic so-called Church
was brought up in a question and

in his answer this was
back in the day I didn't know

mccarrick was a molester or
bad guy I just knew he was the

Archbishop of DC he said something that
even I as a new Catholic was shocked he

said that Rome should
regularize the Communist

Chinese patriotic faction
and I remember thinking

well the underground
Catholics are the ones

holding the faith just like the recu
English who were holding the faith under

Henry VII and and uh Elizabeth the so
even back then in 2006 I was shocked by

how mccarrick was ready publicly to
make a deal with the Chinese Communist

socalled church and then we learn
from vegano that mccarrick was actually

working behind the scenes to accomplish
this and assigned by Francis here's what

Archbishop Veno says on
the matter despite the fact

that accusations against
mccarrick's scandalous conduct

were already wellknown
and that disciplinary measures

had been taken against
him by Pope Benedict bolio

instructed the then Cardinal to main
contact with the Beijing government also

because of his connection
to the White House and with

the Democrat establishment
that that had and still

has relations with the Chinese
dictatorship he goes on to

say mccarrick's ability to
monetize the church's collaboration

with certain members of the
Chinese government led to

the signing of a secret agreement which
According to some rumors rumors which I

am unable to verify brings Millions into
the Vatican every year in exchange for

its Silence about the
persecution of Catholics who

are faithful to the apostolic
sea about human rights

violation and we do have to salute
Cardinal Zen of of Hong Kong who has

diligently sought
to defend the rights

the reputation of that
underground church and the deal

that was struck by
Francis is wicked it's evil it's

something that a lot of Americans
don't spend time on they're

more focused on you know
some of the states that seem to

conflict with Catholic Orthodoxy
but telling the Communist

atheistic Chinese government that
they can appoint Bishops in a Bas in

basically abandoning the
underground Church in preference

for those who are politically
and ideologically opposed to

Catholicism is a grave Scandal and
Cardinal Zen has been militant and

dutiful in protesting that decision by
bolio Francis question 10 moving along as

former Apostolic Nuno
to the United States what

is your assessment of
the status and health of the

United States 10. As
former nuncio, what was the

status and health of the
United States episcopate?

episcopate the US Bishops vegano says
the American episcopate is the fruit of

Decades of bad management
by the Vatican corruption in

the presence of a very powerful
homosexual Lobby formed largely by

mccarrick's proteges is totally
favorable to the new bolian agenda in a

scandalous submission
before the woke positions of

the radical left that is
destroying the United States

now before I continue you have to
realize Cardinal mccarrick in DC was the

shot collar he was the king maker you
might even say the queen maker and he

was reporting to Rome to
the congregation of Bishops

and getting his proteges
his cronies placed into the

dases as ordinary Bishops
and so over the over the years

even over the decades what you've seen
is is the installment of Bishops who are

businessmen who are very much
sympathetic or even promote the lavender

Mafia the Pink Mafia in the church and
this is one reason why we see a lack of

faith why we see a lack of growth and
it's also why we see sexually AB barent

clergy protected moved around we've seen
so many hundreds hundreds of millions of

dollars in settlements because of
abuse and U sexual degeneracy it's

really sad the damage
that mcck has done is still

being felt today vono says
among these corrupt men

can be counted Cardinal Spelman
Bernardine deeran mccarrick and their

progyny as well of course as the Society
of Jesus that's the Jesuits which played

a decisive role in the dissolution of
Catholicism the quote healthy part of

Bishops which as Nuno I tried in every
way to promote and defend is a minority

conservative but conciliar minded
and you can think you know the

most outspoken in the last
several years who actually after

the summer of Shame stood up
before the USCCB United States

Conference of Bishops that
was Bishop Strickland and he said

there's a priest who goes
around undermining the church's

teaching on same-sex attraction and
you Bishops are letting him into your dasis

and he was talking about James
Mar and he he calls the Bishops on the

carpet and it's my belief that when
Bishop Strickland did that they put a

Target on his back that was
the beginning of the end for

Strickland which would of course confirm
what vegano is saying here at least with

one example the
11th question I asked

Archbishop vegano was
what do you think of the

munus vers ministerium argument that
Ben the 16th did not truly resign so in 11.

What do you think of the munus -

ministerium argument
that B16 didn’t resign?

2013 when Pope Benedict issued
his declaro his intention to resign in that

document in the Latin he resigns
from the ministerium the ministry of the

papacy however in canon law when
you resign your position in the church you

resign a munus that's an office not
just the ministry and so many have stated

clergy and lay people and Scholars
have said you know Pope Benedict either

purposely or ignorant when he resigned
the papacy he used the wrong language

according to canon law he
said he resigned the ministerium

the ministry but he didn't
resign the munas and

therefore perhap perhaps Benedict
did not validly resign the papacy which

would mean that Benedict remained
validly and technically technically the

pope until he died which of
course would mean that the

conclave in 2013 that elected
brolio would be known void so

that's the debate that's the topic right
here and I wanted to get viano's take on

it vegano says the resignation of
Bennett the 16th due to the procedural

defects in the iCal monstrum that It
produced two apparent quote popes Pope

ameritus and regular Pope is
certainly invalid as Professor

enrio Mario radel has
excellently excellently

explained the invention of the papacy
Emeritus further undermined the petrine

Primacy and open the way to that shared
papacy in a surreal division of munas

and ministerium office and
Ministry without any I without any

theological or canonical basis which is
today evolving into an interpretation of

the role of the pontiff in an ecumenical
key as we've seen the study document the

bishop of Rome that was
recently published by the

decter for promoting Christian
Unity so vgo is saying by

ratzinger wearing white wearing a
ring calling himself his Holiness your

Holiness Pope ameritus that right there
was downgrading papal Primacy because in

the eyes of people there was a there was
in a sense two popes the acting Pope and

then the praying Pope the pope ameritus
and he says this dovet Tales nicely into

the reinterpretation of what the Roman
pontiff is the Pope in the document that

came out I think within
the last few weeks the

bishop of Rome from
the decter of Christian

Unity vegano says a Unity that is
already a mark of the one true church of

Christ which is the Catholic
church and which Vatican

2 significantly present as
an objective to be achieved

by interpreting Dogma in a
way that does not cause conflicts

with The Heirs of the
non-catholic sect especially the

Eastern Orthodox and Protestants as well
vegano says the fact that ratzinger may

have subjectively believed
that he abdicated from

the papacy does not
affect the nullity of the

renunciation despite the aura
of Orthodoxy that surrounds

the pontificate of Bennett
the 16th especially within

modern conservative circles his
redefinition of the petrine institution

and his creation of the P papacy
ameritus constitute the maximum

expression of the heretical
instances present in

Rat sigaran Theology and
as such must be the object

of a very precise condemnation together
with the other heresies well highlighted

by the studies of the eminent Professor
rale that the German Theologian never

disavowed so these
are strong words not only

is vegano um casting
the title of heretic

towards Francis bolio here he's also
say saying that ratzinger's theology has

heretical instances present in it
and there is evidence that long before

ratzinger became Pope Benedict
that already there was a discussion

of bifurcating the papacy and
understanding it in a more fluid way and

instead of a monarchical way as you
see in Vatican 1 so here vegano is critical

of ratzinger of Benedict
as we saw before when we

were talking about
summorum pontificum in the the

piece 12. What should
the next pope do? Should

he declare Bergoglio and
antipope? Invalidate v2?

that was try that was
established between the ordinary

form and the extraordinary
form of the Latin mass as

a sort of hegelian thesis antithesis
looking towards a synthesis question

12 that I asked Archbishop
vegano what should the next Pope do

should he declare brolio an anti-pop
should he invalidate Vatican 2 these are

Big questions right if if
you follow vegano and his

conclusions these are the
questions that have to be asked and

here's what vegano says when our Lord
became incarnate 224 years ago there was

neither a king nor a priesthood in
Israel if we are to if we are in fact

approaching the end times then I believe
that the vacancy of the apostolic sea is

destined to last think about
that for a moment if we are

in the end times vegano
is saying maybe we are in

the end times maybe this is it
when he returns vegano says to Earth

our Lord will again take up the
temporal scepter and the spiritual Crown

reassuming in his own person the
Royal and Priestly power that today are

illegitimate but if Providence were to
Dain to to Grant the church a true Pope

he could be recognized by the
condemnation and Declaration

of the nity of the council
and the disasters It

produced a holy Pope would abolish
the novas Ordo and restore the traditional

liturgy because he would have at heart
first of all the glory of God the honor

of the church and the salvation of
souls so vegano gives two potential

outcomes there one eschatological
one uh hopeful for what he calls the holy

Pope question

13 Pope Leo II declared
his predecessor Pope enorus

anathema will this happen again I ask
Archbishop vegano says that would be the

least that should happen the Archbishop
says the condemnation of error is

necessary in order to restore
the violated order which is

founded in God that is on
the Supreme truth Pope enorus

was excommunicated by Pope Leo II
not because he was a heretic but because

profan iMac sub K

EST because he allowed profane predition
on for the uh to be brought against the

immaculate faith and in other words
anius didn't teach heresy or propagate

heresy but he allowed the immaculate
Faith the stainless Faith to be

subverted by profanity that is the mon
the monelite heresy we won't go in all

that you can check a history
book or you can join new St

Thomas Institute and I'll
teach you about that heresy n

sti.com with worldly
deception he tried to

subvert the purity of the
faith because he had not

clearly condemned the
monelite heresy According to

which in 13. Pope Saint Leo
II declared his predecessor

Pope Honorius anathema.
Will this happen again?

Christ there are not two Wills but one
Divine and one human according to his

two Natures but only one
that's the heresy that there's

only one nature the Catholic
faith and the councils teach

that Christ has two Wills
the Divine will and the human

will proper to his human
nature bolio's subversive action

is much more serious just as the
heresies that Vatican 2 not only did not

fight but rather became a pastoral
vehicle for in a colossal deception of

the ecclesial body are much more serious
so he's saying yes Pope St Leo II said

anius was anathema not because
he was a heretic but because

he allowed the immaculate
Faith to be subverted he says

in the case of Francis
bolio it's not just allowing

it but it's actually
propagating it and then our last

question in the interview
this is question 14

and this is on the topic of sedi sedi
prism or the Kasich chakum thesis it is

a version of sedevacantism
that holds that since 1958

those who have been
elected to the papacy

John the 23rd perhaps
up to Francis I don't I

don't quite know how 14. If Bergoglio were
an antipope, wouldn’t his cardinals be anti

cardinals and invalid? How would a conclave
occur? To solve this problem have your read

Guerard des Lauriers
Cassiciacum Thesis. Do

you agree with his
“material papacy” argument?

they slice that if they keep Benedict
have been material popes in other words

they had the ability to name
Cardinals and Cardinals

had the ability to elect popes but since
the popes adhered to heresy they were

not able to receive the form
of the papacy they were not

able to receive the Keys of
the Kingdom so they were only

materially Pope not actually formally
Pope this thesis the Kasich chakum

thesis was put forth by uh father Gad
delorier and a Dominican and here's the

answer by Archbishop Beano
the College of cardinals is

composed for the most part
of widely compromised and

corrupt figures he's talking
about currently in this year

moreover vegano says the illegitimacy
of Prolo also for the violations of what is

prescribed in the apostolic Constitution
University Domin greis which render the

election invalid nullifies all his acts
of government there therefore also all

of his appointment to the sacred College
as null so the position here vegano is

bolio Francis has not named
any cardinals because he is not a

pope he goes on to say if the Cardinals
appointed by his predecessor were to

recognize that bolio is not Pope
and conv be a conclave then

they should also have the
courage not only to deplore the

present effects but also their causes
which all date back to the second

Vatican Council then he goes
on to talk about the kasakam

thesis the so-called kasakam thesis
takes its name from the town now called

casago branza In Lombardi
where in the year of

Our Lord 387 St Augustine
Cassiciacum Thesis

retreated to pray
for his mother before

receiving baptism this
thesis formulated in 19 78

by father Gerard delorier op Dominican
identifies in the post-conciliar popes

from Montini to Prolo an external
acceptance of the papacy tainted by an

internal obstacle the will to
promote the new paradigms of

the second Vatican Council
which contradict the perennial

magisterium of the church an
obstacle that pre prevents the

communication by God of the Divine charism
that that normally belongs to the Vicor of

Christ without this objective and
habitual intention to procure and

realize the good and the purpose of
the church the post-conciliar popes that

would be arguably John the 23rd
but definitely Paul the 6 moving

forward without this objective
habitual intention to procure

and realize the good and
the purpose of the church the

postc conciliar popes
would therefore be

popes only materially
in that they were only

canonically elected and therefore not
proper and therefore properly not popes

or to use the language of GAD
delorier not formally popes not popes in

form the conciliar revolution of which
borolo is the implacable executor has as

its aim the dissolution of
Roman Catholicism into

a false religion without
dogmas that is of masonic

inspiration a dissolution to be obtained
through the parlamentti of the church on

the model of civil institutions this
requires the downsizing of the papacy

and the extinction of
apostolic succession together

with the radical upheaval
of the ministerial priesthood

for this reason even if at the moment
it is appropriate to suspend definitive

judgment on the popes of
the council it is necessary

to put everything that
they have prod produced in

parenthesis so to speak in particular
the catechism that's the new catechism

of the 1990s and the doctrinal
teaching the reform of the mass and of

the sacraments and among these the
right of conferring holy orders so here

vegano states that we could
suspend judgment and it's my position

that we should suspend judgment until we
have Clarity and that because we suspend

judgment he says there should be a
parentheses placed on everything and I

would have to ask him if if he
were live with me now I would

ask him everything from 1958
or everything since 1965 when

the council ended and perhaps
I can seek uh Archbishop

vegano and ask his Excellency
to clarify if he has a date

in mind here but he
definitely states there is a

parenthesis what I can say is that with
respect to the thesis of sanism or SED

privation ISM and by the way the Kasich
chakum thesis is sometimes called SED

privation ISM because the popes that
are or the men who are elect Ed who are

materially Pope are they
have a privation they are

deprived of the form of the
papacy so although in a sense

they sit on the sea of Peter they are
deprived of the charism the keys or the

formal office of Pope he says
what I can say with respect

to the thesis of sanism or SED
privation ISM which also have

elements that can be shared
in theory it is not possible to

believe that the Lord allowed his church
to to remain eclipsed and deprived of the

ordinary means of
Grace the Vigano's

closing statement on
the Mystery of Iniquity

sacraments for over 60 years with
Bishops and priests not validly ordained

and therefore with valid masses and
sacraments the mysterium iniquitatis the

mystery of iniquity cannot imply the
failure of the assistance promised to

Christ promised by Christ
to the church Eis [Music]

I will be with you even
until the consummation of

the end of the age but
on our part it is urgent to

restore the Integrity of the depositum
fidi Lex credendi and its pray prayerful

expression Lex arandi the law of prayer
so that the gates of hell do not Prevail

signed Carlo Maria vegano Arch Bishop
so here's a careful distinction at the end

and I'm sure this would
probably upset the majority of set

of contest any set of contest
watching um he is saying that

the progress of apostolic
succession the validity of the seven

sacraments uh cannot go away for
60 years it must it cannot the ordinary

means of Grace which are the sacramental
gifts Christ gave to the church cannot

be eclipsed and
deprived for 60 years

so it seems to me
on this final point

that when it comes to Francis he would
not see Francis as materially holding

the papacy according to the
Kasa chakum thesis that might be

because of what he said
earlier about Benedict not actually

resigning and therefore he
would not even be materially

Pope uh I do have a question
about that as well and kind of

the dating you know are we talking
about 1958 or are we talking about

1965 for the parenthesis
so there is the

interview and if the if you
have clarifications if you

have questions you have
comments leave a comment below I

will be engaging those and I
will be reading those and uh

perhaps collecting some of
those um just to ask Archbishop

vegano if he's willing you
know to clarify or answer

some of those questions I
myself found this interview

to be fascinating I've read it several
times and um I'm very grateful that he

took the time to to write
out um all these answers and

to consider them and
Dr. Marshall's closing remarks

to think you know think
them over and present them to

us uh whether you're a fan
of Archbishop vegano or not I

imagine um that many
Cardinals and Bishops and Priests

and maybe even Francis
himself are going to watch this

video because um this is
the most explicit statement

that Archbishop vegano has
made since his he would call

alleged EXC community ation on these
key topics ranging from the Third Secret of

Fatima to canon law to set of vonm
to Vatican 2 to post being declared

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uh pray a Hail Mary here
you know we live in a difficult

time there's a lot of confusion
I think people who even if

they disagree with Archbishop
vegano I think he there is a

there is a sense of
gratitude that he brought

so much Clarity all
of us knew something

was rotten in the church particularly
in America and in a way it's kind of like

when you've been sick for
so long and the doctor tells you

you have cancer that's a
horrible diagnosis but at least

you know what's going on and
at least you know what are the

procedures and the care that
you can move forward with and

I think vegano was was the one who
told us about mcck and he told us about

things Shady things going
on in the background with

Francis and in the Vatican and
he has continued to show the

light on that and whether
you agree with his conclusions

on some of the topics today
or disagree I think we do owe a

tremendous debt of gratitude for his
exposing the rod particularly in America

and I think in the Vatican and
Rome and Europe people don't

quite understand the traditional
catholic movement movement

in the United States and that's
because they don't understand

how injured and hurt
American Catholics are by the I

mean I've met people whose
children have been abused

by the scandals by the
closing of historic beautiful

parishes and heretical sermons and
Eucharistic abuse and lurgical abuse and

it's just people feel beat up and I
think one reason why Americans rally to

Archbishop vegano even if
they don't totally agree with

him on some of these things
is he was the apostolic Nuno to

America and he is a voice of clarity and
they respect that in a way he has become

America's Archbishop so thank
you Archbishop Carl Maria vegano for

entertaining this interview we uh
do appreciate you and we'll pray

a hell Mar for Archbishop vgo
now together oros Ave Maria Prayer

no amen

amen St Peter pray for us
St Paul pray for us amen