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The Japanese film industry
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lost its audience in the 1960s.
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Before that, movies had been...
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at the forefront of fashion.
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It had been fashionable
to emulate movie stars.
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But in the 1960s,
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people weren't going to movies.
It was the television age.
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Event halls also beganto appear in those days.
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These were not movie theaters,
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but spaces to feature
the art of young people.
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For the first event
at one such hall,
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my friends and I were asked
to screen our art films.
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Since none of us had money
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to make feature-length films,
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we made short films
one or two minutes long.
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Since I was showing
my shorts in these halls,
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I didn't feel, as many then did,that certain work was beneath me,
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so producers
of TV commercials came calling.
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"You make short films,
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just a minute or two long,
just like we do.
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Would you make
commercials for us?"
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When given offersto make TVcommercials,
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directors and cameramenat major studios like Toho or Toei
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were insulted
and flatly rejected them.
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They felt that commercials
had no meaning.
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They were for selling things
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and not fit
for a respectable artist,
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so no one in the industry
made commercials.
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None of my friends did either.
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But I thoughtof commercials as films.
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And since Japan wasin its economic boom,
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commercials had huge budgets.
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Movie budgets
had been shrinking,
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so everything on-screen
looked shabby.
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But in a commercial,
you could shoot a glorious blue sky.
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It may have had no meaning,
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but being able to show
a beautiful blue sky
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seemed wonderful
on an artistic level.
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I love Japanese cinema...
Ozu and Kurosawa...
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so of course I hoped
that my first Japanese feature
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would be a masterpiece.
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In fact, I'd already written
a script for it called Hanagatami,
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the first script I cowrote
with Chiho Katsura.
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It has yet to be produced.
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Around that time in America,
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Steven Spielberg made Jaws,
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and one or two people
in Japan thought
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that a filmmaker considered
an "amateur" by Japan's film industry
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should perhaps
make a movie as well.
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So I was asked to write
a script for a film...
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that would be entertaining
and a huge success like Jaws.
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I always discuss
important matters with children.
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Adults can only think
about things they understand,
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so everything stays
on that boring human level.
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At that level,
a hit movie about shark attacks
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leads to one about bear attacks.
That's the best they can do.
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But children come up with things
that can't be explained.
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They like the strange
and mysterious.
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The power of cinema
isn't in the explainable,
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but in the strange and inexplicable.
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So I asked my daughter,
who was about 10 at the time...
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"If Daddy were to make
a Japanese movie,
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what would be
an interesting story?"
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She said, " Don't bother.
Japanese movies are boring."
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I said,
"But if I were to make one,
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and I can't make
a movie like Jaws in Japan,
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what kind of movie
would be as exciting?"
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At the time, my daughter...
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was just beginning her voyage
into womanhood.
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First of all,
ever since I was a small child,
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all our family ever
talked about was movies.
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If the topic was movie storiesand characters,
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we could understand each otherdespite the generation gap.
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She was seated before a mirror
after a bath, combing her long hair.
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She said,
"Daddy, it would be scary
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if my reflection in that mirror
began attacking me."
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I thought, " Yes, that would bestrange and interesting. "
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It's not all that strangefor ants or bears to attack people,
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but to be attackedby your reflection in a mirror
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is a fantasy that couldonly happen in a movie.
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That would be very interesting,
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like something out of
Alice in Wonderland.
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We would sleep on futons
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at my grandparents' home
in the country.
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In Tokyo
I would sleep in a bed,
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so there was no need to set up
a futon or put it away.
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But in the country, futons also had
to be hung outside and aired,
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and they were heavy
for a child like me.
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I'd try to get one
out of the closet,
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and I'd collapse under its weight.
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The experience was
a little frightening.
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It felt like some futon monsterattacking me.
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So that was used in the film
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in the scene where futonsattack one of the girls.
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Also, there wasa large clock there,
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like a grandfather clock,
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with creaking gearsand a gong sounding the hour.
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That was also very frighteningto me as a child.
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When I had to use
the bathroom late at night,
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I'd sneak by the clock
without looking.
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She said, "When I visited
Grandpa's house last summer,
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there was no refrigerator,
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so to chill a watermelon,
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he used a ropeand dropped it down a deep well.
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When he pulled it up later,
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it seemed like a human headabout to attack me. "
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"I see," I replied
and asked her for more.
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I was studying piano
at the time,
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and whenever I saw a film,
I loved to come home
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and play the music on the piano.
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I didn't have the sheet music,
so I'd play by ear.
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That was my favorite diversion.
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But my classical piano teacher
insisted on the proper fingering.
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As I happily played the tunes,
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she would correct my fingering
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by slapping my hands,
and that memory stayed with me.
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One day, my fingers
got caught between the keys,
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and I started to dislike playing.
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It felt as if the pianowas attacking me.
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That impressionstayed with me.
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Also, because my teachercorrected my fingering so much,
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when my fingernailsgot caught on the keyboard,
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I'd imagine that the pianowas snapping at my fingers.
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I was unconsciously storing
all those thoughts in my memory,
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and they came out later
as ideas for the film.
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When people join forces
to do something,
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a team of seven is ideal.
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It's a long-standing tradition
in Japan
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to have seven members
on a team.
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Kurosawa's masterpiece
Seven Samurai is a good example.
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During the war we hadseven-man work teams.
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When American warplanesbombed us,
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the seven-member teamswould go
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and extinguish the fires.
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So the idea of seven girlscame naturally to me,
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and I wrote about them
getting eaten by a house.
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Obayashi told me
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that Toho had asked him
to make a horror film
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and that Chigumi
had given him some ideas.
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He said Chigumi had suggested
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a story about a housethat eats girls.
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I thought of the British writerWalter de la Mare.
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He'd written a very short story
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about an old woman
who lives in a house.
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Her granddaughters
visit her one by one.
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The old woman
is always knitting,
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and her granddaughters
come visit one at a time.
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There's a long wooden trunk
in the house,
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like a chest for storing clothes,
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and each granddaughter
ends up in that chest.
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All of them disappear.
I think it was that sort of story.
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Having the house eat them
for no reason is ridiculous,
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so I added...
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that the house was haunted
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by the spirit of an old woman
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who'd died in the house.
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She'd waited there for her lover,
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who'd never returned
from the war.
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These girls, born after the war...
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and therefore unaware
of how precious peace is,
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come to the house
on summer vacation.
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The old woman's bitternessabout the war turns into an evil spirit
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and devours the girls.
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That was the story I wrote.
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And because I'm from Hiroshima,
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I'd been affectedby the atomic bomb,
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so that naturallybecame a theme.
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All of my close
childhood friends died...
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because of the bomb,
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so I wanted to write a fantasy
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with the atomic bomb as a theme.
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I was ready to go along
with any idea he had.
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I said right off,
"That's a great idea."
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I even had
the characters' names ready:
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One girl would be called Melody,
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and the girl who eats a lotwould be called Mac, from "stomach."
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One would be called Kung Fu,which was popular then.
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All that was in placebefore we began on the script,
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so writing it
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was relatively easy.
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We just had to put those ideas
in some kind of order.
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I'd never had such an easy
preliminary meeting.
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He simply said,
"Just work with these ideas."
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Since Katsura and I
had already worked closely
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on the script for Hanagatami,
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we knew each other well.
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We'd both seen
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almost every important
horror film ever made,
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so we could communicate like,
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"Remember that shot in that movie?"
"Oh, right, sure."
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The writing process
was fun and easy.
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I don't think of House
as a horror film.
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Horror movies
are more suspenseful.
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House is a fantasy film
about young girls.
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For us, "horror" didn't refer
to a movie genre.
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For us, it had to do
with human psychology.
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The term "horror movie" didn't exist
when we were growing up.
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We made House
as a ghost-and-fantasy film.
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In order to present
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an exaggerated and beautifulworld of fantasy,
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rather than ordinary reality,
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we used a ghost-story setting.
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That was our thinking.
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Music too beautiful or sweet
for a regular movie,
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or imagery that looked
too pretty or fake,
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were made acceptable
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by the context of a ghost story.
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That was our generation's
version of a horror film.
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I wrote the script
at the very beginning
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and handed it to Obayashi,
and that was that.
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Then, until the movie
was completed,
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I wasn't involved at all.
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I just wondered
if it would even get made.
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I never thought
it would get made.
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That's why I gave it
the English title House.
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A foreign title for a Japanese film
was taboo back then.
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I was probably
the first to do that.
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But I thought, "Why not?"
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You see it on this first version
of the script.
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No Japanese director
would name his film like that.
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Back then, projects would bein development for months
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because studios justdidn't have the resources.
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House was green-lightedin just three hours.
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The studio exec said,"I knew you'd come through, Obayashi!
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You're amazing!A regular Spielberg!
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It only took us
three hours to green-light it.
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It's a brilliant,
truly original story."
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I asked, " So production
will start right away?"
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He replied,
"Unfortunately, no.
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None of our directors
wants to do it.
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They all want to make a film
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and are waiting for their turn,
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but when I showed them
the treatment for House,
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every one of them said
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that making such a ludicrous film
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would end their career.
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Without a director,
we can't make it."
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I said, "Why don't I do it?"
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He said, "lmpossible.You don't work for Toho,
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so you can't make this film. "
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I asked, "But Toho has definitelygiven it the go-ahead?
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May I announce that?"
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He said, " That's fine.
We'll simply say we couldn't make it."
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So I made up
new business cards.
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I designed this picture
on the cover too.
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Japanese movie posters
just didn't look like this.
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"How stupid," everyone said,
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just from the picture of a house
with a huge tongue sticking out.
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I put this picture
on my business cards
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and handed them out, saying,
"Toho will be making House."
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Ten years before that,
my short film called Emotion
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had been shown at 60 percent
of Japanese universities,
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as well as in event halls,and it became a big hit.
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People who had seen it thenas young adults
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were by then working for magazines,record companies,
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department stores,
and various other places
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as adults in their 30s.
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They said,
"That same director, Obayashi,
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is going to make a film
called House.
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Let's help him out."
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Though Toho was still waffling,
a department store held
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a House fashion showwith seven models.
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It came out as a mangain a popular boys' comic magazine,
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as well asin a girls' comic magazine.
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There was also a novelization.
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A record company also went ahead
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and made a sound-track album.
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It was turnedinto a radio drama.
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House appeared in various mediain the two years
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it took to get the film made.
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But over those two years,
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anticipation for the filmwas building.
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I compiled ten full files
during those two years.
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Every day,
in all kinds of publications,
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you'd find an article
about a Toho film called House.
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Everyone was
looking forward to seeing it.
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And the radio drama,
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which aired late at night,
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drew a huge audienceand was widely discussed.
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Obayashi made
all those things happen
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as part of his relentless campaign
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to pressure Toho.
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In the end,
Toho couldn't put it off any longer,
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and that definitely came about...
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because of Obayashi's
sheer energy and his...
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Well, his energy was enough.
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Asei Kobayashi, who wrote the music
for House, was about my age.
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He'd been very successful
writing music for commercials.
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He'd never worked in film before,
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but all of us in commercials
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had great admiration for cinema,
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and we all wanted to work in film.
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"When you make a movie someday,
let me write the music."
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He'd been telling me that
for over 10 years.
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So when I was about
to make House, I told him...
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"I want you to score this film."
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But when people
work on their first film,
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they have their own
"dream movie" in their heads.
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Kobayashi wanted this
to be a very serious film,
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a literary-artistic film
in the tradition of Japanese cinema.
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He wanted that
as his first film score.
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He'd have been happy
to work on Hanagatami,
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but he ridiculed House,
just like everyone else.
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He was a roly-poly guy,and he said, "I'll act in your movie,
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but there's no way I'll scorea movie like House."
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I said, "Hold on a minute.
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The most important thingin a film like this is beautiful music.
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Masterpiecesin this ghost-and-fantasy genre
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have all had
the most beautiful music.
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They're like gothic novels,
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so they need to have
gothic elegance."
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So he agreed
to work on the project
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and wrote the piano pieces
in the film,
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but he said, " I'm too old.
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You need someone younger
for a film like this."
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There was a band at that time,
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still relatively unknown,called Godiego.
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Mickie Yoshinowas the piano player
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in this young band.
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Kobayashi said,"I want to bring Godiego on board.
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Can I have them write the musicusing my themes?" I said okay.
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But production didn't start
for two years.
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During that period,
Godiego came up with lots of ideas,
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so we decided to go ahead
with a sound-track album.
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So a year before the film itself,
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the sound-track album
wound up being released.
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Kobayashi wrote this piece...
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It has a classical flavor.
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It expresses the fantasy aspect
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of the ghost-and-fantasy genre.
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But the piece was arranged...
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by the young guys in Godiego.
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And since the musiccame out a year early,
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we had it played in the radio dramaand in department stores.
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When the shoot began,
we played it on the set all day.
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The seven lead actresses
were all novices.
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I only cast people I knew from
my commercials and indie films.
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The girl who played Gorgeouswas a working actress,
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but she was still new at it.
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When I tried to give themverbal direction,
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their acting was amateurish,
like in a school play.
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But when I put on the sound track
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and the music suddenly changedfrom a major to a minor chord...
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the girls would bewalking along cheerfully
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and then turn melancholyas the chord changed.
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They belonged to a younger
generation that found it easier
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to express emotion through
chords, melodies, and rhythms
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than through words.
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So instead of talking,
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I decided to use music
to direct their movements.
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That's how I drew
performances out of them.
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Film critics belittledtheir acting for that reason,
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but young audiencesfound it interesting
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that the girls movedas if they were dancing.
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To get that out of the girls,although I was almost 40 then,
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I'd skip hand in hand with themin the studio every day.
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And I too, as the director,
was ridiculed for doing that.
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I got along with the girls very well
because of the music.
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Toho said
they couldn't do the casting.
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Since there were only nicknames
like Fantasy, Gorgeous, and Melody,
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the studio just gave up.
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Fortunately, after the moviewas green-lighted,
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there wasa two-year waiting period.
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It's a luxury to have
two years of prep time.
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During that time I must have made
over 200 commercials.
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Among the girlsin those commercials,
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I found one who would be greatfor the role of Melody,
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another for the role of Sweet,and so on.
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I told the girls I found
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over those two years,
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"When I finally make House,
I'll cast you in these roles. "
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The only professional actressamong them was Kimiko lkegami.
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As for Yoko Minamida,
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she'd left Daieiand was working for Nikkatsu.
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She was one of the topactresses in Japanese cinema,
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but few films were being made
for actresses of her caliber,
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so she was working
in TV and theater
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because she couldn't
find film projects.
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In the Japanese film industry,unlike in America,
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once an actress plays a mother,she's never cast as a young girl again.
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There was a rigid age restriction
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whereby an actress could onlyplay a role close to her age.
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In American movies, you see
older actors playing young men,
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and young actors playing old men,
but not in Japanese films.
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Minamida was still young
when I asked her,
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"The role is of an old woman.
Will you do it?"
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She replied, " Yes, I will.
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But once I do, I'll never
be cast as an ingenue again,
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so this is a big deal."
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It took courage
for her to accept that role.
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That courage had a big influence
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on lkegami,who played Gorgeous,
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when she had to showher breasts in a scene.
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It was the first time for lkegami,and she was very young.
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She was hesitating,
and Minamida said to her,
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"Being an actress...
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means being naked
and baring your soul,
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but you can't see the soul,
so it means baring your body.
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You just wear costumes over it,
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but when you're naked,
you're really an actress.
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Here, let me show you."
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She undressed,
and the younger actress did the same.
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Minamida's nude scene
wasn't in the script,
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but I said, " You have beautiful breasts.
Let's shoot you in the nude too."
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And we wound upshooting her in the nude.
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We became lifelong friends.She passed on last year.
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This was basically a movieI made with my friends.
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I played the girl shining shoes,
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00:26:04,129 --> 00:26:08,031
and the production designer played
my boss, who's shining shoes too.
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He was my father's
right-hand man on all his films.
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Kiyohiko Ozaki and I were
horse-riding friends back then.
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He was famous in Japan
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as a country-western singer.
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So I basically asked
my friends to be in the film.
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It was kind of a scandal
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that it was made
right on Toho's lot.
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Soundstages at major studioscould only be used
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by their regularsalaried employees.
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So an outsider coming into make a film
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on Toho's huge soundstage...which Toho couldn't afford to use...
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was a big deal.
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00:27:06,391 --> 00:27:08,552
But that didn'thappen overnight.
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I'd been using
that soundstage for four years
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to make commercials,
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and I'd already developed
a rapport with the crew.
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I didn't care if I was ridiculed.
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00:27:19,671 --> 00:27:23,300
I wanted to make a filmunlike any Japanese film before it.
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So I had to be selectiveabout how I shot scenes.
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"Should I shoot this scene like this?
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00:27:31,416 --> 00:27:34,351
Wait, Kurosawa didsomething like that.
431
00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:37,010
No, Ozu did something similar.
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If Kurosawa or Ozu
were to see it,
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what kind of direction
would offend them most?
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I've got it.
That's how I'll do it."
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That was my thinking
as I made House.
436
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:51,794
In Japan we didn't have a true"director of photography."
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The cameraman, Yoshitaka Sakamoto,had been working on my commercials.
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He was only 19 when he started.
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00:28:00,712 --> 00:28:03,272
So I took him with me to Toho,
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00:28:03,448 --> 00:28:06,508
and he worked likea"classic" director of photography
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and did his own lighting.
442
00:28:09,621 --> 00:28:11,782
A director of photography
handles lighting
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and leaves the camera operator
to man the camera.
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Under the Japanese system...
for example with Daisaku Kimura,
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who is "Japanese"
in the best sense of the word...
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the cameraman dons his headband
and insists on running the camera.
447
00:28:26,104 --> 00:28:29,130
But Sakamoto was different.
448
00:28:29,307 --> 00:28:33,937
He didn't care about manning the camera,but he wanted to control the lighting.
449
00:28:34,112 --> 00:28:36,080
But neitherthe lighting department...
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nor the camera departmentwould cooperate.
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So what I did was...
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since it's the director's job,
to talk to everyone like this:
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"Hey, So-and-so,
don't fall from up there."
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Or " Hey, So-and-so,
let's use your lights
455
00:28:56,468 --> 00:28:59,733
to cook these nice fish cakes.
456
00:28:59,904 --> 00:29:03,772
If you could sear them lightly,
they'd be great for lunch."
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00:29:03,942 --> 00:29:06,843
I made that sort
of silly small talk.
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00:29:07,979 --> 00:29:11,005
Then a screw fell out
of my glasses,
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00:29:11,516 --> 00:29:13,484
and a lens came loose.
460
00:29:13,651 --> 00:29:16,814
I couldn't find
another tiny screw like that.
461
00:29:17,355 --> 00:29:19,949
So for the rest of that day
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00:29:20,892 --> 00:29:24,419
I wore sunglasses
with one lens missing.
463
00:29:24,763 --> 00:29:27,493
Later we gathered
in the staff room
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for beer and sake
to toast the first day of the shoot,
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00:29:32,003 --> 00:29:35,166
but the eight guys from lighting
weren't there.
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00:29:35,974 --> 00:29:40,536
In the power dynamics of the crew,lighting is the most powerful.
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00:29:40,712 --> 00:29:43,579
They're like the helmsmanon a boat.
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00:29:43,948 --> 00:29:46,212
I thought I'd alienated them
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and that thingswould be tense from then on.
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Two hours later,all the lighting men showed up.
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00:29:53,358 --> 00:29:57,954
I said, "Sorry, we already started,since you guys were late. "
472
00:29:58,763 --> 00:30:01,926
One of them opened up a tissue
and said, "Is this yours?"
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00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:04,796
And there was the screw I'd lost.
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00:30:05,436 --> 00:30:08,098
Sorry, but this story
makes me tear up.
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00:30:08,339 --> 00:30:11,399
I asked how they managed
to find that tiny screw
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00:30:11,576 --> 00:30:13,771
on such a cluttered soundstage.
477
00:30:14,245 --> 00:30:18,113
The lighting man whose name
I'd called out earlier said
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that no director at Toho had ever
called him by name before
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00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,088
and that he'd been very moved,
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00:30:24,255 --> 00:30:28,521
so he resolved to find that screw,
481
00:30:28,693 --> 00:30:31,389
even if it took all night.
482
00:30:31,896 --> 00:30:35,388
Then the senior lighting men
decided to help him,
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00:30:35,567 --> 00:30:37,899
and they found the tiny screw.
484
00:30:39,537 --> 00:30:43,735
After that,
the shoot went smoothly.
485
00:30:43,908 --> 00:30:47,776
They built a lot of sets,
486
00:30:47,946 --> 00:30:51,473
and it was great fun to go visit...
487
00:30:51,649 --> 00:30:54,618
better than any amusement park.
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00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:57,053
It was like a miracle to me.
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00:30:57,222 --> 00:31:00,248
The soundstage doors were huge,
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00:31:00,425 --> 00:31:03,724
about 30 times bigger than me,
491
00:31:03,895 --> 00:31:05,863
and when you opened them,
492
00:31:06,030 --> 00:31:09,466
there was a setof the old woman's house,
493
00:31:09,634 --> 00:31:12,660
and a set of a grassy field,
494
00:31:12,837 --> 00:31:15,203
and beyond thatwas a set of the well,
495
00:31:15,373 --> 00:31:17,341
with an amazing sunsetin the background.
496
00:31:17,508 --> 00:31:19,567
It was like a wonderland.
497
00:31:20,044 --> 00:31:22,512
But the most exciting thing
498
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,879
was that the whole crewof pros, all of them adults,
499
00:31:28,052 --> 00:31:31,021
seemed almost to beplaying like children.
500
00:31:31,189 --> 00:31:33,623
The production was...
501
00:31:35,226 --> 00:31:37,854
according to crewmembers,
502
00:31:38,029 --> 00:31:40,759
really exciting and lots of fun,
503
00:31:40,932 --> 00:31:43,730
with everyone alwayssmiling and laughing,
504
00:31:44,269 --> 00:31:48,103
which wassuch a rare thing to see.
505
00:31:48,273 --> 00:31:50,241
I did my part in various ways.
506
00:31:50,408 --> 00:31:54,708
Besides directing,
I wore a different outfit every day,
507
00:31:55,213 --> 00:31:57,738
so that people would say
508
00:31:57,916 --> 00:32:03,218
that the director wore the mostinteresting and fashionable clothes.
509
00:32:04,188 --> 00:32:07,180
The film featured
510
00:32:07,892 --> 00:32:10,986
inexperienced teenage girls,
511
00:32:11,162 --> 00:32:15,826
so everything was fun for them,and they giggled all the time.
512
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,730
I'd sing with the girls,
513
00:32:18,903 --> 00:32:23,033
or play pianoor quiz games with them,
514
00:32:23,207 --> 00:32:25,573
and we'd have raceson the studio lot.
515
00:32:25,743 --> 00:32:31,613
We were having so much funthat the veteran crewmembers
516
00:32:31,783 --> 00:32:34,251
remembered they were there
because they loved movies.
517
00:32:34,419 --> 00:32:37,047
Although filmmaking
had become their job,
518
00:32:37,221 --> 00:32:42,682
making movies is really
a kind of play, and we had fun.
519
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,364
At the time, Japanese cinema
was all about realism,
520
00:32:52,537 --> 00:32:56,268
and so was American cinema.
521
00:32:56,441 --> 00:32:59,968
Everything was
depicted realistically.
522
00:33:00,545 --> 00:33:04,447
But what we wanted to conveywas a cinematic reality,
523
00:33:04,615 --> 00:33:07,880
and that realitywas one of make-believe.
524
00:33:08,052 --> 00:33:10,612
The special effects
department at Toho
525
00:33:10,788 --> 00:33:13,256
had been responsible
for films like Godzilla,
526
00:33:13,424 --> 00:33:15,619
so they were really good,
527
00:33:15,793 --> 00:33:18,284
but we didn't use
their special-effects director.
528
00:33:18,463 --> 00:33:21,864
The cameraman and I
oversaw the special effects
529
00:33:22,433 --> 00:33:26,802
because we wantedthe special effects to look fake.
530
00:33:26,971 --> 00:33:31,135
It wasn't realism
that I wanted people to see
531
00:33:31,309 --> 00:33:36,042
but the passion, hard work,
and innovation involved,
532
00:33:36,214 --> 00:33:41,083
and the energy
that all those things created.
533
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:44,613
I believe that an audience
can appreciate
534
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:47,553
obvious composite shotsor an actress suspended upside down.
535
00:33:47,725 --> 00:33:52,992
Unless you make that sortof impression on the audience,
536
00:33:53,965 --> 00:33:58,834
I don't think a filmwill have any impact or power.
537
00:33:59,003 --> 00:34:01,699
A traditional Japanese director
538
00:34:01,873 --> 00:34:04,205
would have complained,
"I can't shoot this."
539
00:34:04,375 --> 00:34:09,938
But Obayashi cheerfully
set about shooting my script.
540
00:34:10,114 --> 00:34:13,015
In his commercials,
541
00:34:13,718 --> 00:34:16,949
he'd dealt with all kinds
of fantastical images,
542
00:34:17,722 --> 00:34:24,685
so he was skilled at shooting them.
543
00:34:24,862 --> 00:34:26,659
It was all
technical experimentation,
544
00:34:26,831 --> 00:34:31,234
and my approach was to turn
experimentation into expression.
545
00:34:31,402 --> 00:34:35,896
I learned new things
by experimenting,
546
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:39,073
like making composite shots
547
00:34:39,243 --> 00:34:44,840
by combining a painted backgroundwith the actual set.
548
00:34:45,216 --> 00:34:49,118
That technique was usedto create the strange house.
549
00:34:49,287 --> 00:34:51,653
By combining
old and new techniques,
550
00:34:51,823 --> 00:34:56,590
you could come up
with interesting things.
551
00:34:56,761 --> 00:35:00,891
In that sense, this movie was full
of technical experiments.
552
00:35:01,165 --> 00:35:05,465
It was alsothe first Japanese film
553
00:35:05,636 --> 00:35:09,094
to incorporatetelevision images.
554
00:35:09,273 --> 00:35:12,470
For the underwater scene
555
00:35:13,411 --> 00:35:16,209
where one of the girls dissolves,
556
00:35:16,380 --> 00:35:19,645
I had to come up
with some way to shoot that.
557
00:35:20,785 --> 00:35:23,777
I had her suspendedin the nude by a rope.
558
00:35:23,955 --> 00:35:27,083
Then, from the openingin the roof,
559
00:35:27,258 --> 00:35:32,423
buckets of blue paintwere poured on her body
560
00:35:32,597 --> 00:35:34,622
to create a bluescreen
chroma key effect.
561
00:35:34,799 --> 00:35:36,994
As the blue liquid
covered her body,
562
00:35:37,168 --> 00:35:40,968
those blue parts
would seem to disappear,
563
00:35:41,139 --> 00:35:44,836
and her body would seem
to dissolve in the water.
564
00:35:45,009 --> 00:35:48,911
We didn't have
HD monitors back then,
565
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:54,643
so we used an old TV monitor
with 525 scan lines.
566
00:35:54,819 --> 00:35:59,415
We experimented
like that every day,
567
00:35:59,757 --> 00:36:04,091
so what the results would bewas a mystery
568
00:36:04,262 --> 00:36:09,632
even to experienced studio technicians,so that kept it interesting.
569
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,961
So it was a battle of sorts
570
00:36:12,136 --> 00:36:17,130
to use techniques that served the film,
rather than special effects per se,
571
00:36:17,308 --> 00:36:20,175
and that was rooted
in a spirit of creativity.
572
00:36:21,479 --> 00:36:25,142
That's why
I didn't create storyboards
573
00:36:25,316 --> 00:36:27,682
to plan out the movie
574
00:36:27,852 --> 00:36:32,721
and figure out how to shoot scenes
and what techniques to use.
575
00:36:33,057 --> 00:36:36,549
There's not one drawing
in my copy of the script.
576
00:36:36,727 --> 00:36:40,527
I would imagine in my mind,
"If I shoot a reflection in the mirror
577
00:36:40,698 --> 00:36:42,632
and then break the mirror,
578
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,499
I could make composites
using the cracked pieces."
579
00:36:48,005 --> 00:36:53,272
The set was whereI'd come up with techniques.
580
00:36:54,045 --> 00:36:57,412
Although I'd have some idea,I couldn't be sure
581
00:36:57,582 --> 00:37:00,278
how a shot would look
until I saw it on-screen.
582
00:37:00,451 --> 00:37:03,420
Sometimes the result
wasn't what I'd imagined,
583
00:37:03,588 --> 00:37:08,753
but those unexpected results
could surpass my imagination
584
00:37:08,926 --> 00:37:12,828
and make
for more interesting images.
585
00:37:12,997 --> 00:37:16,626
To create cultureusing technology,
586
00:37:16,801 --> 00:37:20,601
you have to be able to appreciate
587
00:37:20,771 --> 00:37:23,706
unusual, unexpected results
588
00:37:23,874 --> 00:37:26,604
and say,
"That's really interesting!"
589
00:37:27,778 --> 00:37:30,508
Those are the special effects
I want.
590
00:37:30,681 --> 00:37:33,616
That's what
special effects are to me.
591
00:37:34,018 --> 00:37:39,012
I want to make the special effects
a child would make.
592
00:37:39,223 --> 00:37:42,386
That's how I do it "my way."
593
00:37:48,933 --> 00:37:51,333
In this copy of the script,
594
00:37:51,502 --> 00:37:54,062
the film crew
595
00:37:54,238 --> 00:37:59,005
wrote all kinds of messages.
596
00:37:59,710 --> 00:38:04,044
It's amusing to read them now.
597
00:38:05,683 --> 00:38:11,087
You'd think they'd write about
how well the movie turned out...
598
00:38:12,490 --> 00:38:15,982
but most of the top Toho crew
wrote things like...
599
00:38:16,861 --> 00:38:22,731
"Please make a memorablemasterpiece next time, "
600
00:38:23,634 --> 00:38:27,661
or "I had fun, but the movieis awful nonsense. "
601
00:38:28,439 --> 00:38:33,604
Most of the messages are like that:
hopeful but honest.
602
00:38:34,779 --> 00:38:37,213
One production designer,
who became a close friend
603
00:38:37,381 --> 00:38:40,248
and worked on my films
until his death,
604
00:38:40,418 --> 00:38:43,854
sent a telegram exemplifying
this general feeling
605
00:38:44,021 --> 00:38:48,390
to a Toho director named Tom Kotani,
who was in America at the time:
606
00:38:48,592 --> 00:38:52,961
"Unfortunately,
House has become a big hit.
607
00:38:54,265 --> 00:38:57,701
Children really love the movie."
608
00:38:59,236 --> 00:39:04,230
He was devoted to me
and worked hard on the sets
609
00:39:04,408 --> 00:39:08,139
and showed the greatest affection
for the film as a crewmember,
610
00:39:08,312 --> 00:39:10,280
but even he felt
611
00:39:10,448 --> 00:39:15,147
that the success of House meant
the end of Japanese cinema.
612
00:39:15,319 --> 00:39:19,915
Loved by a small audience,
613
00:39:20,091 --> 00:39:22,992
appealing only to film buffs,
614
00:39:23,627 --> 00:39:25,686
and a commercial flop...
615
00:39:25,863 --> 00:39:29,526
that's what people in the industrywanted it to be.
616
00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:32,464
But unfortunatelyit became a smash hit.
617
00:39:32,636 --> 00:39:36,800
After the movie came out,
618
00:39:37,341 --> 00:39:40,936
I ran into the producer,
Yorihiko Yamada.
619
00:39:41,112 --> 00:39:43,603
He was furious and told me,
620
00:39:44,115 --> 00:39:46,982
"That big shot
in Toho distribution said,
621
00:39:47,485 --> 00:39:49,953
'It seems the movie's a hit.
622
00:39:50,121 --> 00:39:56,060
But I didn't want to have a hit
623
00:39:56,227 --> 00:39:59,355
with this sort of movie.'
624
00:39:59,530 --> 00:40:02,863
He said that to my face,
and it made me mad."
625
00:40:03,033 --> 00:40:06,594
I remember Yamada's words
even now.
626
00:40:07,671 --> 00:40:10,765
We made this original
and entertaining film for Toho,
627
00:40:10,941 --> 00:40:15,674
and then this big shot
tells the producer
628
00:40:15,846 --> 00:40:18,906
he didn't want it to be a hit.
That's just rude.
629
00:40:19,183 --> 00:40:21,583
He should have been happy.
630
00:40:21,852 --> 00:40:23,945
When it was released,
631
00:40:24,121 --> 00:40:26,988
my friends were all
in elementary school like me,
632
00:40:27,158 --> 00:40:32,221
and they said,
"Your dad's made a weird movie.
633
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:37,067
Finally... a movie we can watch. "
They were really thrilled.
634
00:40:37,234 --> 00:40:40,431
But their parents said,
635
00:40:40,604 --> 00:40:43,630
"I don't want my childwatching a movie like that. "
636
00:40:43,808 --> 00:40:45,867
They all said that.
637
00:40:46,043 --> 00:40:49,843
There was a clear split betweenkids'and parents'reactions,
638
00:40:50,014 --> 00:40:54,041
and in my mind,
I was thinking, "Yes!"
639
00:40:54,318 --> 00:40:57,082
Those reactions
were very interesting.
640
00:40:57,254 --> 00:41:00,621
At that time, film critics
641
00:41:00,791 --> 00:41:05,057
commanded a great deal
of respect and authority,
642
00:41:05,229 --> 00:41:09,393
and they seemed to have
no idea how to review the film.
643
00:41:09,567 --> 00:41:12,035
It was beyond
their comprehension.
644
00:41:12,203 --> 00:41:16,230
Was it a film
or just a series of commercials?
645
00:41:16,407 --> 00:41:19,899
Their reaction
didn't really surprise me.
646
00:41:20,277 --> 00:41:25,374
The reviews of the film
seemed really malicious.
647
00:41:26,584 --> 00:41:29,280
Most condemned it:
"This is not a film."
648
00:41:29,453 --> 00:41:31,978
It didn't even receive
that many reviews.
649
00:41:34,158 --> 00:41:38,185
I think reviews
were often ten lines or less.
650
00:41:38,829 --> 00:41:42,196
The rare review
that filled a page or two
651
00:41:42,366 --> 00:41:46,666
dismissed the film
in absolute terms.
652
00:41:47,304 --> 00:41:49,397
Katsura was angry
653
00:41:49,573 --> 00:41:53,304
about the reaction from Sadao Yamane,one of Japan's leading critics.
654
00:41:53,477 --> 00:42:00,246
"He trashed the movieand called it a piece of crap. "
655
00:42:00,417 --> 00:42:03,147
It was that kind of film.
656
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,414
But I wasn't surprised at all.
657
00:42:06,590 --> 00:42:11,357
I expected it to stir up
those kinds of reactions.
658
00:42:11,529 --> 00:42:14,794
That always happens
when a new type of movie is born.
659
00:42:14,965 --> 00:42:18,298
Something
that not everyone understands,
660
00:42:18,469 --> 00:42:21,267
that trips them up
here and there
661
00:42:21,438 --> 00:42:23,406
and stays on their minds,
662
00:42:23,574 --> 00:42:28,034
marks the first stage
in the birth of a new kind of film.
663
00:42:28,212 --> 00:42:31,978
So it was interesting
to see all kinds of reactions.
664
00:42:32,149 --> 00:42:36,586
But I believed that it epitomized
the essence of genuine cinema,
665
00:42:36,754 --> 00:42:38,722
which I wanted to show...
666
00:42:40,024 --> 00:42:43,858
to young people, who had stoppedwatching Japanese films.
667
00:42:44,028 --> 00:42:46,553
I put my pride on the line
668
00:42:46,730 --> 00:42:50,530
and made this filmwith faith in my love for cinema.
669
00:42:50,701 --> 00:42:55,400
I was proud of the fact that
with House I had made
670
00:42:55,573 --> 00:43:00,442
a real "filmmaker's film"
in the classic sense.
671
00:43:00,611 --> 00:43:03,546
That's why I put "A Movie"
at the beginning...
672
00:43:03,814 --> 00:43:07,875
to indicate that this iswhat cinema is all about.
673
00:43:08,052 --> 00:43:13,012
The movie wonthe hearts of young people.
674
00:43:13,324 --> 00:43:17,317
Long lines formed at theaters,entirely of kids under 15,
675
00:43:17,494 --> 00:43:20,657
which was unprecedented.
676
00:43:20,831 --> 00:43:25,165
Those kids have now
become film critics
677
00:43:25,336 --> 00:43:28,066
or film directors.
678
00:43:29,039 --> 00:43:33,533
Many of today's young directors
and film critics write
679
00:43:33,711 --> 00:43:38,512
that House set the course
of their careers in cinema.
680
00:43:38,682 --> 00:43:41,412
I think these people were
681
00:43:41,585 --> 00:43:44,452
about 15 years old
when they saw the movie.
682
00:43:44,655 --> 00:43:46,589
The magazine Kinema Junpo
683
00:43:46,757 --> 00:43:50,716
ran a feature article
684
00:43:50,894 --> 00:43:54,557
on the ten favorite movies...
685
00:43:55,399 --> 00:43:58,095
of today'syoung Japanese directors.
686
00:43:58,268 --> 00:44:01,362
The number-one favorite
687
00:44:01,538 --> 00:44:04,666
on some lists was House.
688
00:44:05,442 --> 00:44:07,910
So while people
of my generation and older
689
00:44:08,078 --> 00:44:10,308
didn't understand the movie,
690
00:44:10,481 --> 00:44:12,449
younger generations
691
00:44:12,616 --> 00:44:16,552
found it very much to their liking.
692
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:20,451
I think certain older film critics
saw something classic in House
693
00:44:20,624 --> 00:44:26,324
that evoked the traditional
magic and fascination of cinema.
694
00:44:27,031 --> 00:44:29,727
Though the movie may seem violent,
695
00:44:29,900 --> 00:44:32,994
I think they sensedsomething lovable about it.
696
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:37,934
They became the firstsupporters of my films.
697
00:44:38,108 --> 00:44:41,236
Starting with I Are You,
You Am Me, and Miss Lonely,
698
00:44:41,412 --> 00:44:45,610
these critics, who were
of my father's generation,
699
00:44:45,783 --> 00:44:48,251
began to praise my movies
enthusiastically,
700
00:44:48,419 --> 00:44:50,387
as did my daughter's generation.
701
00:44:50,554 --> 00:44:54,718
His films have won
almost no awards.
702
00:44:54,892 --> 00:44:58,419
But for audiences
703
00:44:58,595 --> 00:45:00,358
who actually buy the tickets
704
00:45:00,531 --> 00:45:04,763
and spend their time
watching my father's films,
705
00:45:04,935 --> 00:45:08,098
I think his films
will stay in their hearts.
706
00:45:08,272 --> 00:45:12,333
So rather than establishment awards,
it's in people's choice awards...
707
00:45:12,509 --> 00:45:17,970
which in my view are
the most prestigious anyway...
708
00:45:18,148 --> 00:45:21,140
that his films win top prizes.
709
00:45:21,318 --> 00:45:24,253
That's the kind of director he is...
710
00:45:25,389 --> 00:45:30,486
and I'm proud of that.
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