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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:02:34,655 --> 00:02:37,090 and when I hear the cannons roar 2 00:02:37,157 --> 00:02:45,632 and the the bloody shites of war...??? 3 00:02:45,666 --> 00:02:50,771 well my old man was uhh in charge 4 00:02:50,838 --> 00:02:54,241 was uhh in apartment 5 00:02:54,274 --> 00:02:56,476 around to see about a job in Dublin 6 00:02:56,510 --> 00:02:57,211 because they don't even 7 00:02:57,244 --> 00:02:59,479 have a store in Dublin... yeah? 8 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:00,848 right and what... I don't even 9 00:03:00,881 --> 00:03:02,816 they was doing some kind of 10 00:03:02,850 --> 00:03:04,418 no he was in the same old 11 00:03:04,651 --> 00:03:06,220 no but it's the same kind of 12 00:03:06,253 --> 00:03:08,522 fucking... nowhere... fucking 13 00:03:10,691 --> 00:03:12,559 I'm nowhere now and I will 14 00:03:12,593 --> 00:03:14,661 be nowhere when I die 15 00:03:14,728 --> 00:03:16,730 it's a joke... you know what I mean? 16 00:03:16,763 --> 00:03:19,867 it's like they said... it's a ??? you know? 17 00:03:20,367 --> 00:03:23,170 but I mean like I'm clinically insane 18 00:03:24,205 --> 00:03:25,939 Shane's decided that he's 19 00:03:25,973 --> 00:03:27,574 clinically insane because he has... 20 00:03:27,608 --> 00:03:28,909 I haven't decided... I remembered 21 00:03:28,976 --> 00:03:29,710 you know what I mean? 22 00:03:29,843 --> 00:03:30,577 you remembered you were? 23 00:03:30,611 --> 00:03:32,713 and I'll be... like it's not that... 24 00:03:32,746 --> 00:03:36,049 that's just the first time they did it 25 00:03:36,083 --> 00:03:38,886 yeah? 26 00:03:39,319 --> 00:03:41,488 'bout seven countries now... you know? 27 00:03:41,489 --> 00:03:42,723 you're clinically insane in 7 countries? 28 00:03:42,724 --> 00:03:43,724 yeah 29 00:03:43,725 --> 00:03:47,160 like doing... doing you know like... tests 30 00:03:47,194 --> 00:03:50,230 you know... psychological tests on ??? 31 00:03:50,297 --> 00:03:51,832 he had a brilliant brain I mean 32 00:03:51,833 --> 00:03:52,699 that's all I know 33 00:03:58,539 --> 00:04:01,909 just didn't have it a few... 34 00:04:01,942 --> 00:04:06,780 a few billion cells later ehh? 35 00:04:53,927 --> 00:04:55,596 I started off as a healthy, fucking 36 00:04:55,662 --> 00:05:01,235 Tipperary farm boy you know what I mean? 37 00:05:01,468 --> 00:05:03,470 I came over here and degenerated 38 00:05:03,504 --> 00:05:09,910 into a... into a... into a...??? 39 00:05:09,977 --> 00:05:17,484 and a drunkard and drug user and thief 40 00:05:40,674 --> 00:05:42,109 it was very very difficult 41 00:05:42,142 --> 00:05:44,311 to get employment in Ireland 42 00:05:44,378 --> 00:05:45,946 in the 60's you know... it 43 00:05:45,979 --> 00:05:47,648 was very difficult indeed 44 00:05:48,215 --> 00:05:48,949 uhh... there was very 45 00:05:48,982 --> 00:05:51,018 little employment really 46 00:05:51,685 --> 00:05:54,655 many many people had to go abroad 47 00:05:54,721 --> 00:05:56,523 to either England or somewhere else 48 00:05:56,590 --> 00:05:57,357 America or somewhere else 49 00:05:57,424 --> 00:06:00,160 to actually earn a living 50 00:06:00,761 --> 00:06:03,831 and... uhh... Maurice was one of those 51 00:06:03,864 --> 00:06:06,867 really so we uhh we had to go to London 52 00:06:06,934 --> 00:06:08,168 we started off in Ealing 53 00:06:08,235 --> 00:06:12,840 which I hated with a great hatred 54 00:06:12,906 --> 00:06:15,209 having... coming from Dublin 55 00:06:15,275 --> 00:06:18,946 it was a real dreary London suburb 56 00:06:20,047 --> 00:06:21,782 we tried to leave Shane in Ireland 57 00:06:21,849 --> 00:06:24,084 as much as possible when he was young 58 00:06:24,151 --> 00:06:25,586 during his holidays 59 00:06:25,652 --> 00:06:28,188 he always returned to Ireland 60 00:06:28,255 --> 00:06:31,525 the house my mother was brought up in 61 00:06:32,359 --> 00:06:33,494 and I was brought up in 62 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,529 for a large part of my life 63 00:06:35,596 --> 00:06:38,465 is a very remote townland 64 00:06:38,532 --> 00:06:40,601 yeah... called Carney Commons 65 00:06:40,734 --> 00:06:43,871 like... which is in the parish of Finnoe 66 00:06:43,937 --> 00:06:46,073 it's near the town of Borrisokane 67 00:06:46,139 --> 00:06:47,341 that's my home 68 00:06:47,407 --> 00:06:48,408 my official home 69 00:06:48,475 --> 00:06:50,811 that's where I live when I'm not 70 00:06:50,878 --> 00:06:53,714 staying in London because of business 71 00:06:53,780 --> 00:06:56,383 and the band being based in London 72 00:06:56,450 --> 00:06:58,519 although they're all Irish... yeah? 73 00:06:58,619 --> 00:07:00,354 and. . . uhh. . . when I'm 74 00:07:00,387 --> 00:07:01,955 not touring. . . you know... 75 00:07:02,022 --> 00:07:04,024 his heart and soul always lay 76 00:07:04,025 --> 00:07:05,159 in Ireland in Tipperary 77 00:07:05,259 --> 00:07:07,361 that's where his spiritual home was 78 00:07:07,427 --> 00:07:08,929 it's where... you know... the whole 79 00:07:08,996 --> 00:07:10,631 his heart was there really 80 00:07:10,697 --> 00:07:12,633 I came from a musical family 81 00:07:12,866 --> 00:07:14,601 we always sang and... and 82 00:07:14,668 --> 00:07:18,038 most people played an instrument 83 00:07:18,138 --> 00:07:20,607 and my mother was... uhh... you 84 00:07:20,641 --> 00:07:23,010 know... one of those ??? 85 00:07:23,076 --> 00:07:25,212 for singing and dancing and 86 00:07:25,279 --> 00:07:26,947 singing in Irish as well 87 00:07:27,014 --> 00:07:31,251 my memory from the earliest days is a 88 00:07:31,318 --> 00:07:36,056 house of music and song and story-telling 89 00:07:36,123 --> 00:07:38,158 they all... practically all played 90 00:07:38,192 --> 00:07:40,227 instruments. . . you know... concertina 91 00:07:40,260 --> 00:07:43,263 mellodion, piano... what you 92 00:07:43,397 --> 00:07:45,365 you know... name it they played it 93 00:07:45,432 --> 00:07:48,869 and... and so therefore it was also 94 00:07:48,936 --> 00:07:50,571 what I would call an open house 95 00:07:50,671 --> 00:07:52,406 I suppose really it was a house 96 00:07:52,472 --> 00:07:54,241 that everybody gravitated to 97 00:07:54,541 --> 00:07:56,443 he was singing from a very early age 98 00:07:56,510 --> 00:08:00,547 and acting as he was singing songs 99 00:08:02,216 --> 00:08:03,684 do you know... do you remember 100 00:08:03,750 --> 00:08:05,686 the Hole In The Bucket? 101 00:08:05,752 --> 00:08:06,954 remember that song? 102 00:08:07,020 --> 00:08:08,322 Oh Lord! 103 00:08:08,388 --> 00:08:09,590 and he was only two-and-a-half 104 00:08:09,591 --> 00:08:10,591 he was that fast 105 00:08:10,657 --> 00:08:12,426 and it was a scream to look at him 106 00:08:12,494 --> 00:08:15,262 yeah... he's amazing 107 00:08:15,329 --> 00:08:17,798 okay when I started going to school 108 00:08:17,865 --> 00:08:19,166 in England like... you know 109 00:08:19,666 --> 00:08:23,570 like... uhh... that was back in '87 110 00:08:23,637 --> 00:08:25,372 right... you know... like 111 00:08:25,439 --> 00:08:27,508 that was a horrific 112 00:08:27,541 --> 00:08:31,211 fucking change of. . . uhh. . . life 113 00:08:31,445 --> 00:08:32,846 we moved down to Tunbridge Wells 114 00:08:33,981 --> 00:08:36,416 we had quite a nice little place there 115 00:08:36,483 --> 00:08:37,518 and after a while there 116 00:08:37,551 --> 00:08:39,319 we... we decided to go to London 117 00:08:39,386 --> 00:08:41,522 to the famous Barbican 118 00:08:41,588 --> 00:08:43,323 where all the trouble 119 00:08:43,357 --> 00:08:44,858 broke loose... you know because 120 00:08:44,892 --> 00:08:46,460 Therese wasn't able to handle 121 00:08:46,527 --> 00:08:49,530 the built up aspects of London you know 122 00:08:49,631 --> 00:08:50,998 it's on a huge scale 123 00:08:51,064 --> 00:08:52,099 and the Barbican was a 124 00:08:52,132 --> 00:08:54,368 massive sort of fortress 125 00:08:54,468 --> 00:08:55,969 the family all became 126 00:08:56,036 --> 00:08:58,038 very emotionally disturbed 127 00:08:58,205 --> 00:09:00,207 it was a situational 128 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,042 disturbance basically 129 00:09:02,209 --> 00:09:05,012 we had loads of good times 130 00:09:05,078 --> 00:09:07,014 don't get me wrong... right? yeah? 131 00:09:07,114 --> 00:09:09,383 but at a certain stage of 132 00:09:09,416 --> 00:09:10,751 the game... right? yeah? 133 00:09:11,351 --> 00:09:15,155 like uhh... yeah... I mean I... I started 134 00:09:15,222 --> 00:09:16,256 doing the normal teenage 135 00:09:16,290 --> 00:09:17,391 things... you know 136 00:09:17,457 --> 00:09:20,160 and I got knicked... you know? 137 00:09:20,561 --> 00:09:21,995 he was getting into trouble 138 00:09:22,062 --> 00:09:23,730 at his school... you know? 139 00:09:23,931 --> 00:09:25,165 he was getting into trouble there 140 00:09:25,232 --> 00:09:27,067 for various things and then he... 141 00:09:27,167 --> 00:09:28,936 I think he was doing a bit of 142 00:09:29,002 --> 00:09:30,938 drug-taking at that stage 143 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:33,373 the doctor had put me on Valium 144 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,242 100mg a day 145 00:09:35,309 --> 00:09:36,810 because I had a nervous breakdown 146 00:09:36,877 --> 00:09:38,545 after my mum had one... yeah? 147 00:09:38,645 --> 00:09:40,581 that's a heavy dosage 148 00:09:40,681 --> 00:09:42,049 it's not as heavy as what he had her on 149 00:09:42,115 --> 00:09:45,586 she was on real zombie stuff... yeah? 150 00:09:45,652 --> 00:09:47,688 I used to go out every morning 151 00:09:47,754 --> 00:09:49,790 and kick her to see if she was alive 152 00:09:49,857 --> 00:09:50,824 you know what I mean... right? 153 00:09:51,758 --> 00:09:54,795 I had to go into the drug 154 00:09:54,828 --> 00:09:56,663 ward of a mental hospital and 155 00:09:56,697 --> 00:10:00,734 uhh... I stayed in the hospital 156 00:10:00,801 --> 00:10:01,668 called Bethelehem... like 157 00:10:01,735 --> 00:10:03,770 the main... one of the big ones 158 00:10:03,837 --> 00:10:06,273 it's the main one in London 159 00:10:07,274 --> 00:10:08,342 he overdid the drugs 160 00:10:08,408 --> 00:10:10,344 no two ways about that 161 00:10:10,444 --> 00:10:12,279 I mean that was the case... I mean 162 00:10:12,713 --> 00:10:13,847 so he rebelled... really... 163 00:10:13,881 --> 00:10:15,249 at that stage... you know? 164 00:10:15,449 --> 00:10:16,750 perhaps he did it a bit earlier 165 00:10:16,817 --> 00:10:19,353 than people used to rebel 166 00:10:19,419 --> 00:10:21,555 at that time in those days. . . you know? 167 00:10:45,546 --> 00:10:48,549 Shane gave up the formal education system 168 00:10:48,615 --> 00:10:51,485 at the invitation of the establishment 169 00:10:51,552 --> 00:10:53,320 at around twelve or so 170 00:10:53,387 --> 00:10:55,923 he'd been caught with cannabis 171 00:10:55,989 --> 00:10:57,791 or some nonsense like that 172 00:10:57,858 --> 00:11:00,761 and... umm... we were invited around 173 00:11:00,828 --> 00:11:04,832 to the... uhh... headmaster's study 174 00:11:04,898 --> 00:11:07,668 a fellow called Ray... a right wanker 175 00:11:07,734 --> 00:11:11,238 and... uhh... we went down there 176 00:11:11,305 --> 00:11:12,339 anyway... the two of us 177 00:11:12,406 --> 00:11:17,077 and... uhh... he talked about you know 178 00:11:17,144 --> 00:11:18,712 the terrible crime that 179 00:11:18,779 --> 00:11:19,780 Shane had committed 180 00:11:19,847 --> 00:11:23,550 I listened to all this... and... uhh 181 00:11:24,685 --> 00:11:25,786 and I said, "What do you 182 00:11:25,819 --> 00:11:26,653 want to do about it?" 183 00:11:27,421 --> 00:11:29,723 and he said, "Well, I'd prefer if 184 00:11:29,790 --> 00:11:31,391 Shane didn't come back next term." 185 00:11:31,458 --> 00:11:33,560 I said, "Fine, you know, 186 00:11:33,627 --> 00:11:35,229 I don't want him to come back 187 00:11:35,295 --> 00:11:36,563 to this stupid, fucking 188 00:11:36,597 --> 00:11:38,031 cunt of a place, anyway. " you know? 189 00:11:38,299 --> 00:11:40,534 that was more or less how it ended 190 00:11:40,601 --> 00:11:42,135 and I went off 191 00:11:42,536 --> 00:11:43,570 do you want to go back and 192 00:11:43,604 --> 00:11:45,405 see your old teacher? 193 00:11:45,973 --> 00:11:47,541 what do I want to... Spellman? 194 00:11:47,608 --> 00:11:51,078 no I don't think I have to 195 00:11:51,111 --> 00:11:52,813 my dad did a pretty good job in there 196 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:58,118 I think he's probably exiled himself 197 00:11:58,185 --> 00:11:59,853 to somewhere far away... you know? 198 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:01,588 well I think he had him up... 199 00:12:01,622 --> 00:12:03,123 up on the... fucking thrown against 200 00:12:03,157 --> 00:12:04,057 the wall... you know? 201 00:12:04,091 --> 00:12:06,193 you know shouting and cursing 202 00:12:06,226 --> 00:12:08,262 and being a racist prick you know 203 00:12:08,762 --> 00:12:10,330 I mean he had a happy childhood 204 00:12:10,597 --> 00:12:12,599 I mean uhh... the education 205 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,436 didn't spoil that in any way 206 00:12:16,503 --> 00:12:18,639 he just didn't contribute to his 207 00:12:18,672 --> 00:12:21,141 development in any way 208 00:12:22,142 --> 00:12:23,443 we got on basically that 209 00:12:23,477 --> 00:12:25,412 I got kicked out of school 210 00:12:25,779 --> 00:12:27,381 because I was such an outrageous 211 00:12:27,447 --> 00:12:28,916 little turd in England... right? 212 00:12:28,982 --> 00:12:30,717 I was obviously turning into 213 00:12:30,751 --> 00:12:31,919 a complete scumbag 214 00:12:31,985 --> 00:12:33,086 right... you know what I mean? 215 00:12:33,187 --> 00:12:34,521 the more time I spent 216 00:12:34,555 --> 00:12:35,989 in England right... yeah? 217 00:12:35,990 --> 00:12:37,491 right... yeah... you know what I mean? 218 00:12:37,524 --> 00:12:42,229 yeah? like... from being a decent person 219 00:12:42,296 --> 00:12:43,564 yeah... like uhh... you'd notice it 220 00:12:43,597 --> 00:12:46,533 tell us about uhh... falling in love... 221 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:47,534 where'd you meet? 222 00:12:47,568 --> 00:12:48,936 in a pub 223 00:12:49,770 --> 00:12:50,904 why did I ask that question. . . 224 00:12:50,971 --> 00:12:53,607 why did I ask that question 225 00:12:53,674 --> 00:12:55,442 his best friend was a friend of mine 226 00:12:55,509 --> 00:12:58,011 - Spider the tin whistle player - oh I tell ya 227 00:12:58,045 --> 00:12:59,213 and it was because of him 228 00:12:59,246 --> 00:13:00,214 that we kept meeting 229 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,182 and then there was one day 230 00:13:02,249 --> 00:13:04,384 I just looked at him and saw beauty 231 00:13:04,451 --> 00:13:06,153 where before I'd seen hideous 232 00:13:06,220 --> 00:13:10,724 -arrogance and... - obnoxiousticity 233 00:13:11,058 --> 00:13:13,460 I think he's such a strong personality 234 00:13:13,527 --> 00:13:17,364 and has such a sense of... he's so spirited 235 00:13:17,431 --> 00:13:19,299 and he has so much a sense of adventure 236 00:13:19,366 --> 00:13:22,469 and so much fearlessness around 237 00:13:22,536 --> 00:13:25,606 um... around doing things in public 238 00:13:25,672 --> 00:13:27,808 doing things like going on stage 239 00:13:27,841 --> 00:13:29,443 starting bands 240 00:13:29,543 --> 00:13:31,078 umm... going out dressed up 241 00:13:31,111 --> 00:13:32,613 in all kinds of weird clothes 242 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,414 and getting into all kinds of trouble 243 00:13:34,548 --> 00:13:35,949 things that I wouldn't have 244 00:13:35,983 --> 00:13:37,651 had the nerve to do myself 245 00:13:37,718 --> 00:13:40,821 that's... that's what I find so appealing is 246 00:13:40,888 --> 00:13:42,789 that you know... umm... 247 00:13:45,926 --> 00:13:47,861 the sheer nerve... 248 00:13:48,529 --> 00:13:50,664 and the... and the exuberance... 249 00:13:50,697 --> 00:13:53,167 and the imagination 250 00:13:53,334 --> 00:13:55,269 what makes you happy? 251 00:13:55,270 --> 00:13:57,104 you do 252 00:14:03,677 --> 00:14:06,847 how do I make you happy? 253 00:14:08,115 --> 00:14:11,118 it can't be explained in words... you know 254 00:14:11,185 --> 00:14:14,254 maybe in Irish it could be... you know? 255 00:14:17,624 --> 00:14:22,029 it's a larger vocabulary... you know? like 256 00:14:25,365 --> 00:14:27,768 - hmm? - anything? 257 00:14:41,582 --> 00:14:43,851 can we go in there? 258 00:14:48,555 --> 00:14:50,424 hey... look at this... this bike 259 00:14:52,025 --> 00:14:54,261 this is uhh... a fifty pound 260 00:14:54,294 --> 00:14:57,064 bag for a junkie... right? 261 00:14:57,564 --> 00:15:00,367 all he needs is a hacksaw... right? 262 00:15:02,236 --> 00:15:06,240 take that bike up sell it tomorrow 263 00:15:13,380 --> 00:15:15,215 what you wanna be a star? 264 00:15:15,249 --> 00:15:16,416 i'll pay you back I'll be a star 265 00:15:16,850 --> 00:15:18,552 yeah why not? 266 00:15:18,886 --> 00:15:21,188 I'm all that stands between the 267 00:15:21,221 --> 00:15:24,358 fact of fucking Irish culture and like 268 00:15:26,693 --> 00:15:29,630 and uhh... the life of Irish culture 269 00:16:01,962 --> 00:16:04,565 when I fell in love with him was when 270 00:16:04,598 --> 00:16:06,300 I actually saw his sensitive side 271 00:16:06,366 --> 00:16:07,968 and that was quite early on 272 00:16:08,035 --> 00:16:10,437 that was... you know... ummm 273 00:16:10,504 --> 00:16:13,574 umm... maybe I was about 20? 274 00:16:14,575 --> 00:16:16,410 so it would mean 14 years ago 275 00:16:30,357 --> 00:16:32,392 sometimes I think he romanticizes me in 276 00:16:32,459 --> 00:16:36,663 the same way that he romanticizes Ireland 277 00:16:36,730 --> 00:16:39,066 or it's almost like the me that he 278 00:16:39,166 --> 00:16:41,068 writes about doesn't really exist 279 00:16:41,802 --> 00:16:44,238 and I'm a kind of an imaginary figure 280 00:16:44,304 --> 00:16:46,306 like I'm not gonna ??? or something 281 00:16:46,373 --> 00:16:48,809 it's obvious that it's not really me 282 00:16:49,376 --> 00:16:55,249 it's a... yeah... romantic ideal 283 00:16:55,415 --> 00:16:57,084 I think he's an idealist 284 00:16:57,151 --> 00:16:59,620 taken to an extreme 285 00:17:00,354 --> 00:17:04,391 he's not really as much of a realist 286 00:17:04,458 --> 00:17:05,859 as he might like to think 287 00:17:20,140 --> 00:17:22,042 we knew he was brilliant at writing 288 00:17:22,109 --> 00:17:24,411 and English and all that kind of thing 289 00:17:24,711 --> 00:17:26,180 and Maurice said, "I suppose you will 290 00:17:26,246 --> 00:17:28,682 probably earn your living as a writer. " 291 00:17:28,749 --> 00:17:30,217 He said, "I will, Dad, but not 292 00:17:30,284 --> 00:17:31,718 in the way you're talking about. " 293 00:17:31,785 --> 00:17:33,921 "I'll earn my living," he said, 294 00:17:33,987 --> 00:17:36,757 "through music, writing through music, 295 00:17:36,824 --> 00:17:38,292 because that's the way you 296 00:17:38,358 --> 00:17:40,994 communicate with people now-a-days. " 297 00:17:41,061 --> 00:17:42,162 "It's a much better form of, 298 00:17:42,229 --> 00:17:44,798 lighter form of communication. " 299 00:17:44,865 --> 00:17:47,367 I remember him saying that to me 300 00:17:47,368 --> 00:17:48,735 you're a little bit pissed 301 00:17:48,769 --> 00:17:52,539 are you? a little bit? 302 00:17:52,540 --> 00:17:55,409 mostly 303 00:17:55,642 --> 00:17:58,178 you're enjoying yourself 304 00:17:58,312 --> 00:17:59,279 yeah 305 00:17:59,413 --> 00:18:02,249 I suppose you see I thought 306 00:18:02,316 --> 00:18:04,918 it might be more in the book form 307 00:18:04,985 --> 00:18:06,920 rather than the... umm... sound form 308 00:18:07,988 --> 00:18:09,923 but uhh... you know really 309 00:18:09,957 --> 00:18:11,158 that's before twelve 310 00:18:11,191 --> 00:18:13,460 I knew around twelve it wasn't 311 00:18:13,494 --> 00:18:14,728 going to be that because 312 00:18:14,795 --> 00:18:18,098 there was Bob Dylan blowing one ear out 313 00:18:18,165 --> 00:18:20,300 and the Grateful Dead blowing the other 314 00:18:22,269 --> 00:18:23,003 and so I knew there was 315 00:18:23,036 --> 00:18:24,905 something going on there 316 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,576 well take my number and give me a ring 317 00:18:29,643 --> 00:18:31,545 well give us your number then 318 00:18:31,612 --> 00:18:36,440 you got a pen and paper? 319 00:18:36,483 --> 00:18:37,317 yes I have... 320 00:18:37,351 --> 00:18:39,353 now here you are 321 00:18:39,419 --> 00:18:40,320 i want your phone number 322 00:18:40,387 --> 00:18:41,155 do you want me to hold your 323 00:18:41,188 --> 00:18:42,456 drink while you're at it? 324 00:18:42,556 --> 00:18:43,323 I mean once I was out of 325 00:18:43,357 --> 00:18:44,458 school I was alright you know 326 00:18:44,958 --> 00:18:47,027 and I could use all the things 327 00:18:47,094 --> 00:18:48,428 that were good about London 328 00:18:48,595 --> 00:18:49,963 like the drugs and the clubs 329 00:18:50,164 --> 00:18:52,266 and the loose women and 330 00:18:52,332 --> 00:18:54,234 the Pistols were playing really good 331 00:18:54,301 --> 00:18:56,403 rock and roll, hard rock and roll 332 00:18:56,470 --> 00:18:58,405 and what's more they 333 00:18:58,438 --> 00:19:00,140 were my generation 334 00:19:00,307 --> 00:19:02,209 and what's more they were singing 335 00:19:02,276 --> 00:19:05,145 about how boring London was 336 00:19:05,212 --> 00:19:06,680 and... like... they were 337 00:19:06,713 --> 00:19:08,415 being totally nihilistic 338 00:19:08,515 --> 00:19:09,950 and that was the way I felt when I 339 00:19:10,017 --> 00:19:14,121 go out and see 'em out of the bin you know 340 00:19:14,188 --> 00:19:16,423 I was working at a shop 341 00:19:16,490 --> 00:19:18,058 it wasn't a shop it was a stall 342 00:19:18,125 --> 00:19:18,926 a market stall at the 343 00:19:18,959 --> 00:19:19,893 end of Gerard Street 344 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,429 in Soho, in London 345 00:19:22,496 --> 00:19:23,463 and one day Shane walked 346 00:19:23,497 --> 00:19:26,567 into the stall and... like he was 347 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,236 uhh... he was slightly 348 00:19:29,269 --> 00:19:30,804 shook looking is what I'd say 349 00:19:30,904 --> 00:19:34,575 he had matted long hair 350 00:19:34,608 --> 00:19:37,344 down to his shoulders 351 00:19:38,645 --> 00:19:41,114 and heavily caked with one thing or other 352 00:19:41,148 --> 00:19:41,882 I don't know what 353 00:19:42,015 --> 00:19:43,684 and he looked a bit dazed 354 00:19:43,851 --> 00:19:46,820 he said that he had... uhh... been 355 00:19:46,887 --> 00:19:48,055 in hospital you know 356 00:19:48,121 --> 00:19:50,324 I knew he was on pills or something 357 00:19:50,390 --> 00:19:51,959 like that but he was lucid 358 00:19:52,025 --> 00:19:53,894 whenever we started talking and... uhh... 359 00:19:53,961 --> 00:19:57,564 he just started to hang around the shop 360 00:19:58,732 --> 00:20:01,568 as soon as he discovered what 361 00:20:01,635 --> 00:20:03,470 was happening in the punk scene 362 00:20:03,537 --> 00:20:05,172 which was, "trust yourself," 363 00:20:05,239 --> 00:20:07,174 whatever talent you thought you had 364 00:20:07,241 --> 00:20:10,310 and if uhh... you felt you could make 365 00:20:10,377 --> 00:20:11,778 get out there and do it 366 00:20:11,845 --> 00:20:14,014 and Shane did 367 00:20:18,886 --> 00:20:22,022 there's one punk... the Sex Pistols 368 00:20:22,089 --> 00:20:23,590 the rest of them are rubbish 369 00:20:23,624 --> 00:20:25,893 I'm not interested 370 00:20:25,959 --> 00:20:29,930 what's more I probably wouldn't 371 00:20:29,997 --> 00:20:31,598 have been that interested in them 372 00:20:32,199 --> 00:20:33,834 if Johnny Rotten hadn't been so 373 00:20:33,901 --> 00:20:35,502 bloody obviously Irish you know 374 00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:43,977 and made a big noise about it and 375 00:20:44,044 --> 00:20:46,647 made such anti-English records... yeah? 376 00:20:49,583 --> 00:20:52,252 no future 377 00:20:55,055 --> 00:20:57,791 in England's dreamin' 378 00:21:04,431 --> 00:21:07,034 punk was speed-fueled which was why 379 00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:09,503 everybody was so bloody obnoxious you know 380 00:21:09,570 --> 00:21:10,904 spitting in your face 381 00:21:10,971 --> 00:21:11,872 and getting aggressive 382 00:21:11,939 --> 00:21:13,740 and fighting and all the rest of it 383 00:21:13,807 --> 00:21:14,942 but you know that was the scene 384 00:21:15,008 --> 00:21:15,943 the youth scene 385 00:21:16,009 --> 00:21:19,413 mods punks and so it was all speed 386 00:21:19,446 --> 00:21:20,214 and that was... that would have 387 00:21:20,247 --> 00:21:22,282 been the general drug speed and drink 388 00:21:22,416 --> 00:21:24,117 God save the queen... 389 00:21:28,155 --> 00:21:30,858 she ain't no human being... 390 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,828 she's made you a moron 391 00:21:36,063 --> 00:21:38,632 potential h-bomb 392 00:21:41,134 --> 00:21:42,636 he uhh... started producing a fanzine 393 00:21:42,703 --> 00:21:45,072 the first I heard of his creative bent 394 00:21:45,139 --> 00:21:48,375 and uhh... Shane came in with his fanzine 395 00:21:48,442 --> 00:21:49,243 and started selling that 396 00:21:49,309 --> 00:21:51,145 and then the next thing I knew 397 00:21:51,211 --> 00:21:52,846 he was putting a band together 398 00:22:18,272 --> 00:22:19,740 myself and my partner 399 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:20,908 in the shop at the time 400 00:22:20,974 --> 00:22:23,610 decided we would try and manage the Nips 401 00:22:23,677 --> 00:22:24,978 as they were then called 402 00:22:25,045 --> 00:22:25,846 well actually they were called 403 00:22:25,913 --> 00:22:26,914 the Nipple Erectors 404 00:22:26,980 --> 00:22:28,749 but we had a problem in 405 00:22:28,849 --> 00:22:29,683 that people didn't want 406 00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:31,084 Nipple Erectors on posters 407 00:22:31,151 --> 00:22:32,152 it was supposed to be sexist 408 00:22:32,219 --> 00:22:33,453 which I could never understand 409 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:34,555 since everybody's got them 410 00:22:34,621 --> 00:22:36,857 but umm... we had to shorten it 411 00:22:36,924 --> 00:22:38,759 from the Nipple Erectors to the Nips 412 00:22:48,435 --> 00:22:51,038 he's well-known as a very good lyricist 413 00:22:51,104 --> 00:22:52,706 a poet even for the 414 00:22:52,773 --> 00:22:54,775 Pogues stuff that he writes 415 00:22:54,842 --> 00:22:56,944 but even the stuff that he 416 00:22:56,977 --> 00:22:58,679 was writing for the Nips 417 00:22:58,745 --> 00:23:00,380 was um... even if you had 418 00:23:00,414 --> 00:23:03,283 taken it out of the pop context 419 00:23:03,317 --> 00:23:04,985 and put an air to it 420 00:23:05,052 --> 00:23:06,086 it still would have been... 421 00:23:06,153 --> 00:23:07,554 it could have been a Pogues song you know? 422 00:23:07,621 --> 00:23:08,789 things like Gabrielle you know? 423 00:23:08,856 --> 00:23:10,157 let's go down to the old West End 424 00:23:10,190 --> 00:23:11,725 you know? like we used to do 425 00:23:11,758 --> 00:23:13,193 when you were my girlfriend... 426 00:23:13,260 --> 00:23:14,628 take the 73 to the city... 427 00:23:14,695 --> 00:23:16,396 you sitting there looking so pretty 428 00:23:32,646 --> 00:23:33,847 the crap I wrote for the Nips 429 00:23:33,914 --> 00:23:35,516 I could write in my sleep 430 00:23:35,582 --> 00:23:37,384 you know it was pop you know 431 00:23:39,486 --> 00:23:40,621 you know I mean... like 432 00:23:40,687 --> 00:23:42,189 you know... I mean like 433 00:23:42,322 --> 00:23:44,091 it was a... 434 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:48,428 it was a teenage anthem you know 435 00:24:05,379 --> 00:24:07,581 I've never stopped writing adolescent crap 436 00:24:15,122 --> 00:24:16,323 it's just some people can't tell 437 00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:17,691 the real... you know... pop 438 00:24:17,758 --> 00:24:19,593 from the real thing you know? 439 00:24:21,295 --> 00:24:23,797 he always said he wanted to be a 440 00:24:23,831 --> 00:24:26,300 pop star always you know and he 441 00:24:26,333 --> 00:24:27,701 said he wasn't going to hang around 442 00:24:27,734 --> 00:24:29,169 he was going to be a pop star 443 00:24:29,203 --> 00:24:30,904 and when he first like... when 444 00:24:30,938 --> 00:24:32,639 the Noisey Boyseys first began 445 00:24:32,706 --> 00:24:33,740 which later became the Pogues 446 00:24:33,807 --> 00:24:34,808 I remember we went down 447 00:24:34,842 --> 00:24:36,343 to see the first gig 448 00:24:36,376 --> 00:24:37,878 must have been just about the 449 00:24:37,911 --> 00:24:39,980 first gig down in Steve Stanger's club 450 00:24:40,047 --> 00:24:42,449 and there was us and one or two others 451 00:24:42,516 --> 00:24:46,420 and umm... a bunch of squatties I think 452 00:24:46,487 --> 00:24:47,554 who were just back from northern 453 00:24:47,621 --> 00:24:49,590 Ireland who were all eating chips 454 00:24:49,656 --> 00:24:50,824 and proceeded to pelt the 455 00:24:50,891 --> 00:24:52,192 stage with chips throughout 456 00:24:52,259 --> 00:24:54,127 and there was Shane up on the stage 457 00:24:54,194 --> 00:24:57,364 sort of singing Paddy Works On The Railroad 458 00:24:57,397 --> 00:24:59,266 and and Irish songs 459 00:25:21,588 --> 00:25:22,956 it should have occurred to me 460 00:25:23,023 --> 00:25:25,592 it was so fucking obvious 461 00:25:25,626 --> 00:25:26,593 a fucking thing to do 462 00:25:27,127 --> 00:25:29,930 to fucking play really good 463 00:25:29,997 --> 00:25:33,267 Irish songs to a young audience 464 00:25:33,333 --> 00:25:35,602 you know the Pogues could never 465 00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:38,605 have been an Irish band indigenously 466 00:25:38,639 --> 00:25:40,140 it could never have happened in Ireland 467 00:25:40,207 --> 00:25:42,009 I'm... I'm absolutely certain of that 468 00:25:42,075 --> 00:25:43,110 it would never have happened from 469 00:25:43,143 --> 00:25:44,044 within the island 470 00:25:44,077 --> 00:25:46,647 and the Pogues needed to happen 471 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,615 from the Diaspora if you like 472 00:25:48,782 --> 00:25:51,385 in Mary Robinson's uhh memorable phrase 473 00:25:51,451 --> 00:25:53,987 it... it... it uhh needed to happen from... 474 00:25:54,054 --> 00:25:55,155 it's like there's two Irelands 475 00:25:55,222 --> 00:25:56,390 the people who live on the island 476 00:25:56,456 --> 00:25:58,058 and there's people who went away 477 00:25:58,125 --> 00:26:00,160 or who are second generation 478 00:26:00,161 --> 00:26:02,996 and very often uhh... you know 479 00:26:03,063 --> 00:26:05,199 that gives a different point of view 480 00:26:05,265 --> 00:26:06,467 on the culture 481 00:26:06,533 --> 00:26:08,469 on what it is to be Irish 482 00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:35,762 he affected a lot of Irish 483 00:26:35,796 --> 00:26:38,031 people in London at the time 484 00:26:38,098 --> 00:26:40,200 for the better in a huge way 485 00:26:40,267 --> 00:26:42,236 just by making it possible 486 00:26:42,269 --> 00:26:44,238 to kind of claim back 487 00:26:44,304 --> 00:26:47,608 umm some sense of pride in being Irish 488 00:26:47,674 --> 00:26:49,643 because like putting it into context 489 00:26:49,710 --> 00:26:50,844 you had the Balcombe street seige 490 00:26:50,911 --> 00:26:51,612 you had bombs going off 491 00:26:51,645 --> 00:26:52,679 right left and center 492 00:26:52,746 --> 00:26:54,781 it was... there was a lot of 493 00:26:54,815 --> 00:26:56,683 racism in London at the time 494 00:26:56,684 --> 00:26:59,286 and a lot of anti-Irish talk 495 00:26:59,353 --> 00:27:01,722 uhh every time there was another bomb 496 00:27:01,788 --> 00:27:04,525 so for him to turn around and 497 00:27:04,591 --> 00:27:08,362 kind of celebrate his Irish culture 498 00:27:08,395 --> 00:27:10,430 was a... was a... was a very strange thing 499 00:27:10,431 --> 00:27:12,232 and... and to give voice to 500 00:27:12,266 --> 00:27:14,768 his experience of it was... 501 00:27:14,802 --> 00:27:16,804 like in the lyrics and when he began 502 00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:21,441 writing the songs and that was what was 503 00:27:21,508 --> 00:27:25,045 such a huge revelation with the Pogues 504 00:27:25,112 --> 00:27:28,682 all I did was take extremely 505 00:27:28,715 --> 00:27:30,651 old-fashioned Irish music 506 00:27:30,717 --> 00:27:33,120 proper Irish music 507 00:27:33,187 --> 00:27:37,591 paeans or old-fashioned... you know 508 00:27:37,658 --> 00:27:39,626 in terms of people like 509 00:27:39,693 --> 00:27:41,895 Horslips and Clancy 510 00:27:41,929 --> 00:27:47,267 and Diarmaid yeah... right 511 00:27:47,334 --> 00:27:48,735 and like uhh you know 512 00:27:48,769 --> 00:27:51,572 like you know... you know the music you know 513 00:27:51,605 --> 00:27:55,542 ceilidh music and you know jigs reels 514 00:27:55,609 --> 00:27:57,478 like lyrics about 515 00:27:57,511 --> 00:28:00,848 drinking fucking fighting you know 516 00:28:00,881 --> 00:28:04,685 like uhh you know romantic lyrics about 517 00:28:04,751 --> 00:28:09,857 love and rebellion everything else yeah? 518 00:29:06,246 --> 00:29:08,482 I am going I am going where the 519 00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:10,851 streams of whiskey are flowing 520 00:29:14,454 --> 00:29:16,790 it's not exactly an Erin moor 521 00:29:16,824 --> 00:29:18,425 in the county Galway 522 00:29:18,492 --> 00:29:20,661 one summer's evening 523 00:29:20,694 --> 00:29:22,129 in the month of May 524 00:29:24,431 --> 00:29:25,799 I met a damsel 525 00:29:25,866 --> 00:29:27,367 both fair and handsome 526 00:29:27,401 --> 00:29:29,670 she nearly took my breath away 527 00:29:29,736 --> 00:29:31,271 is it now? 528 00:29:43,884 --> 00:29:44,685 the day the record arrived 529 00:29:44,718 --> 00:29:46,887 in uhhh... you know 530 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,489 it didn't leave the turntable for days 531 00:29:48,522 --> 00:29:50,290 it was the most exciting thing that 532 00:29:50,324 --> 00:29:52,793 had aired in a long long time 533 00:29:52,826 --> 00:29:54,128 you must remember this is the early 80's 534 00:29:54,194 --> 00:29:56,530 where the charts were full of 535 00:29:56,597 --> 00:29:59,933 extremely bland and mechanical music 536 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,302 ahh... it looked like you know... after the 537 00:30:02,369 --> 00:30:04,171 after the sort of the first 538 00:30:04,238 --> 00:30:08,242 uhh... blossom of the punk movement 539 00:30:08,308 --> 00:30:09,610 uhhh... it seemed to all go 540 00:30:09,676 --> 00:30:10,844 horribly wrong very quickly 541 00:30:10,911 --> 00:30:11,945 uhh... the music went backward 542 00:30:12,012 --> 00:30:13,147 retreated back into its 543 00:30:13,180 --> 00:30:14,581 sort of soporific state 544 00:30:14,648 --> 00:30:16,116 so it's almost hard 545 00:30:16,150 --> 00:30:18,318 really now in retrospect to say just 546 00:30:18,352 --> 00:30:21,355 how exciting that was to hear an album 547 00:30:21,421 --> 00:30:22,856 played by human beings with 548 00:30:22,923 --> 00:30:24,324 real instrument and so on 549 00:30:24,391 --> 00:30:26,326 it was revolutionary for its time 550 00:30:33,267 --> 00:30:36,970 the stuff we play like is... is uhh 551 00:30:37,070 --> 00:30:38,939 well it's more fucked up basically 552 00:30:39,006 --> 00:30:41,408 you know because like... because like 553 00:30:41,409 --> 00:30:42,409 you are more fucked up 554 00:30:42,442 --> 00:30:43,177 if you live in London than 555 00:30:43,210 --> 00:30:44,011 if you live in uhh... 556 00:30:44,344 --> 00:30:47,014 you're not more fucked up than if you 557 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:47,981 live in Belfast or 558 00:30:48,015 --> 00:30:49,016 somewhere like that obviously 559 00:30:49,049 --> 00:30:50,217 but you're more fucked up than uhh... 560 00:30:50,284 --> 00:30:54,121 if you live in a nice little town 561 00:30:54,188 --> 00:30:56,523 in Tipperary or somewhere like that 562 00:34:23,130 --> 00:34:25,065 Elvis Costello had produced 563 00:34:25,132 --> 00:34:26,967 my record Captains and Kings 564 00:34:27,034 --> 00:34:29,169 so I brought Elvis to see the Pogues 565 00:34:29,236 --> 00:34:29,937 which were obviously the 566 00:34:30,003 --> 00:34:31,839 happening band in London at the time 567 00:34:32,072 --> 00:34:35,576 and I realize in retrospect actually 568 00:34:35,642 --> 00:34:36,910 that what happened that night is 569 00:34:36,977 --> 00:34:38,412 that Elvis fell in love twice over 570 00:34:38,479 --> 00:34:40,047 once with the Pogues and then 571 00:34:40,113 --> 00:34:41,582 with the Pogue's bass player 572 00:34:41,882 --> 00:34:42,916 all that happened I think 573 00:34:42,983 --> 00:34:45,752 instantaneously I realize now and 574 00:34:45,819 --> 00:34:47,221 and he went on to produce 575 00:34:47,287 --> 00:34:48,722 Rum Sodomy and the Lash 576 00:34:48,789 --> 00:34:49,957 is it hard to produce uhh... 577 00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:51,158 this kind of sound? 578 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:52,459 no no uhhh... people 579 00:34:52,493 --> 00:34:54,595 got the uhh... have a 580 00:34:54,661 --> 00:34:56,497 misapprehension that the band can't play 581 00:34:56,563 --> 00:34:57,731 the band can play really well 582 00:35:30,531 --> 00:35:32,800 the sound's changed because Costello 583 00:35:32,833 --> 00:35:34,635 came in and produced it right? 584 00:35:34,701 --> 00:35:36,603 and the way he produces is like 585 00:35:36,637 --> 00:35:37,938 really kind of clinical 586 00:35:37,971 --> 00:35:39,406 and kind of like you know? 587 00:35:40,374 --> 00:35:41,942 the best way to record us is 588 00:35:41,975 --> 00:35:43,877 live you know in the studio 589 00:35:43,911 --> 00:35:46,446 with as few takes as possible on the vocal 590 00:35:46,513 --> 00:35:49,349 but Costello believed in hundreds of takes 591 00:35:49,416 --> 00:35:51,919 making me do the vocal hundreds of times 592 00:35:51,985 --> 00:35:53,487 and then kind of splitting 593 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,522 it up from bits of all that 594 00:35:55,556 --> 00:35:58,759 to make up a Frankenstein monster 595 00:35:58,826 --> 00:36:00,194 yes a word out here and 596 00:36:00,227 --> 00:36:01,361 a word out there. . . you know? 597 00:36:01,395 --> 00:36:04,898 he'd drop in between uhh... you know? 598 00:36:41,635 --> 00:36:44,638 despite the fiddles uhh. . . like 599 00:36:44,705 --> 00:36:46,406 Frankenstein productions like you know? 600 00:36:46,473 --> 00:36:48,709 the raw energy comes through 601 00:36:48,742 --> 00:36:50,043 you know what I mean? 602 00:36:51,145 --> 00:36:52,246 it's a great album because 603 00:36:52,279 --> 00:36:53,814 it's great fucking music 604 00:36:53,881 --> 00:36:55,382 it's a great band you know what I mean? 605 00:36:55,449 --> 00:36:57,284 it's great music you know what I mean? 606 00:36:57,351 --> 00:36:58,886 and it wasn't all written 607 00:36:58,919 --> 00:37:00,053 by me you know what I mean? 608 00:37:00,087 --> 00:37:01,822 i mean half was written by me... yeah? 609 00:37:02,456 --> 00:37:04,191 and like... you know... it's a great band 610 00:37:04,224 --> 00:37:05,626 in the peak of their... of their... of their 611 00:37:05,659 --> 00:37:08,996 of their uhh... of their uhh... 612 00:37:10,998 --> 00:37:11,865 they're in their peak 613 00:37:11,899 --> 00:37:13,300 you know what I mean? you know? 614 00:38:37,951 --> 00:38:39,586 when I'm at home... you know? 615 00:38:39,653 --> 00:38:43,791 I... uhh... watch telly... listen to music 616 00:38:43,792 --> 00:38:47,294 read books... and play the guitar... yeah? 617 00:38:47,361 --> 00:38:49,730 and... uhh... every now 618 00:38:49,763 --> 00:38:52,266 and then I get an idea 619 00:38:52,299 --> 00:38:53,867 you find a riff that 620 00:38:53,901 --> 00:38:55,235 sounds good... like... yeah 621 00:38:55,269 --> 00:38:57,604 and then a melody suggest itself 622 00:38:58,405 --> 00:38:59,506 but really... it's just that 623 00:38:59,540 --> 00:39:00,774 I don't know how it happens 624 00:39:00,808 --> 00:39:02,276 it's like Mozart said... 625 00:39:02,342 --> 00:39:03,343 it's music from heaven 626 00:39:03,410 --> 00:39:04,745 or hell... depending on whether you 627 00:39:04,812 --> 00:39:07,214 like it... you know? 628 00:39:09,016 --> 00:39:13,287 either... uhh... why aren't there shares 629 00:39:13,353 --> 00:39:15,155 why hasn't the church got... 630 00:39:15,222 --> 00:39:17,024 oh yeah the church have got shares 631 00:39:17,090 --> 00:39:18,892 but what are they trading under? 632 00:39:18,959 --> 00:39:19,960 you know what I mean? 633 00:39:20,027 --> 00:39:25,899 is it orange juice or uhh... light metals 634 00:39:25,966 --> 00:39:31,972 err... uhh... uhh... is Bill Gates a 635 00:39:32,005 --> 00:39:39,680 fucking front for uhh... for uhh... El Papa? 636 00:39:44,551 --> 00:39:47,154 is Bill Gates the new Jesus Christ? 637 00:39:50,257 --> 00:39:52,226 after Rum Sodomy and the Lash uhh... 638 00:39:52,359 --> 00:39:54,128 the band obviously altered a little 639 00:39:54,194 --> 00:39:55,963 in as much as I came 640 00:39:55,996 --> 00:39:57,498 in later on in that album 641 00:39:57,531 --> 00:39:59,066 and then Terry Woods came in 642 00:39:59,133 --> 00:40:01,401 and then uhh Darrel Hunter 643 00:40:01,435 --> 00:40:02,903 replaced Cait O'Reardon on bass 644 00:40:02,936 --> 00:40:04,938 so the sound was changing 645 00:40:04,972 --> 00:40:06,373 and developing and 646 00:40:06,406 --> 00:40:08,108 and different... different elements 647 00:40:08,142 --> 00:40:09,276 were coming into play 648 00:40:09,309 --> 00:40:10,544 I thought he was an 649 00:40:10,577 --> 00:40:11,478 incredible lyric writer 650 00:40:11,712 --> 00:40:12,846 great singer 651 00:40:12,913 --> 00:40:14,181 and the songs were really beautiful 652 00:40:14,248 --> 00:40:16,583 and then the next album came out 653 00:40:16,650 --> 00:40:18,952 If I Should Fall With Grace... 654 00:40:18,986 --> 00:40:20,554 is that right? 655 00:40:20,621 --> 00:40:23,090 umm... and I just thought some 656 00:40:23,157 --> 00:40:23,891 of the lyric writing on 657 00:40:23,924 --> 00:40:26,360 that was uhh... was unbelievable 658 00:40:26,426 --> 00:40:28,896 umm... kind of head and shoulders above 659 00:40:28,962 --> 00:40:31,031 what anyone else was doing 660 00:40:31,098 --> 00:40:36,503 umm... it had uhh... a simplicity 661 00:40:36,537 --> 00:40:37,504 to it that was just 662 00:40:37,538 --> 00:40:39,473 and beauty about it was 663 00:40:39,540 --> 00:40:41,041 just extraordinary I thought 664 00:40:41,108 --> 00:40:42,176 the long gap between 665 00:40:42,209 --> 00:40:43,343 Rum Sodomy and the Lash and 666 00:40:43,410 --> 00:40:45,612 If I Should Fall From Grace With God 667 00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:47,481 which was a lot to do with 668 00:40:47,514 --> 00:40:49,450 uhh record company problems 669 00:40:49,483 --> 00:40:51,251 which are far too boring to go into 670 00:40:51,318 --> 00:40:53,454 but it delayed recording 671 00:40:53,487 --> 00:40:54,655 a new album for awhile 672 00:40:54,688 --> 00:40:57,124 but in retrospect that was the best thing 673 00:40:57,157 --> 00:40:57,858 that could have happened 674 00:40:57,891 --> 00:40:59,893 because we had... we'd use that time 675 00:40:59,894 --> 00:41:02,296 to develop a kind of new sound 676 00:41:02,362 --> 00:41:04,798 well a bigger version of the same sound 677 00:41:04,865 --> 00:41:06,667 and to just build confidence 678 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,068 in what the band were doing 679 00:42:29,082 --> 00:42:31,018 there was... uhh... energy in 680 00:42:31,051 --> 00:42:33,554 in the way that the way that he wrote 681 00:42:33,587 --> 00:42:35,222 uhh from my point of view 682 00:42:35,355 --> 00:42:37,191 i was... i was writing very different 683 00:42:37,224 --> 00:42:38,625 sorts of lyrics I think 684 00:42:38,659 --> 00:42:40,194 and for a lot of different reasons 685 00:42:40,195 --> 00:42:41,628 from... from as early on as I 686 00:42:41,662 --> 00:42:42,796 can remember actually 687 00:42:42,830 --> 00:42:44,998 umm I was trying to make an effort 688 00:42:45,065 --> 00:42:46,967 in some way... to show that I could write 689 00:42:47,034 --> 00:42:48,202 and that was the difference 690 00:42:48,235 --> 00:42:49,636 between I think me and Shane 691 00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:50,471 and that's what made 692 00:42:50,504 --> 00:42:51,772 Shane such a great writer 693 00:42:51,805 --> 00:42:54,908 was his complete effortlessness 694 00:42:54,975 --> 00:42:56,310 umm... it just looked like it 695 00:42:56,343 --> 00:42:57,678 just sort of dropped out of him 696 00:42:57,711 --> 00:42:59,713 and uhh... and there wasn't 697 00:42:59,746 --> 00:43:01,081 a bad line amongst it 698 00:43:01,115 --> 00:43:03,183 it's just... just beautiful stuff 699 00:47:32,653 --> 00:47:34,254 what? has Mickey gone home? 700 00:47:43,197 --> 00:47:45,833 this is where Francis Bacon used to drink 701 00:47:45,899 --> 00:47:48,035 he was Irish and queer 702 00:47:48,135 --> 00:47:50,704 and a right wanker I think 703 00:47:57,377 --> 00:47:58,378 hello there! 704 00:48:01,949 --> 00:48:03,784 Pascal 705 00:48:04,118 --> 00:48:05,419 C'mere you bastard 706 00:48:05,420 --> 00:48:15,562 [speaking Greek?] 707 00:48:16,463 --> 00:48:18,165 this is Michael this is the 708 00:48:18,198 --> 00:48:21,068 uhh... proprietor and 709 00:48:21,101 --> 00:48:22,402 and this is Pascal... 710 00:48:22,436 --> 00:48:26,173 the beautiful proprietoress 711 00:48:27,007 --> 00:48:32,379 hostess from... uhh... from Greece 712 00:48:32,380 --> 00:48:34,381 what do you want? 713 00:48:35,149 --> 00:48:36,683 I should never stop telling you 714 00:48:36,750 --> 00:48:38,952 the drinks are incredibly 715 00:48:38,986 --> 00:48:41,054 wonderful... sorrowful 716 00:48:41,755 --> 00:48:43,023 - shut up you asshole - uhh 717 00:48:44,625 --> 00:48:47,995 like singing acting... like they invented 718 00:48:48,028 --> 00:48:50,430 tragedy they invented comedy 719 00:48:53,934 --> 00:48:55,669 and tonight's tragi-comedy 720 00:48:55,702 --> 00:48:57,304 is just about to commence 721 00:48:59,573 --> 00:49:02,009 when I was a sponge-diver 722 00:49:03,410 --> 00:49:06,079 I dived 14 million feet into 723 00:49:06,113 --> 00:49:09,783 the sea to pick up a sponge 724 00:49:09,950 --> 00:49:11,485 and did you use it? 725 00:49:12,553 --> 00:49:15,155 I sold it to an American 726 00:49:29,636 --> 00:49:31,205 his music is very spontaneous 727 00:49:31,271 --> 00:49:32,773 and it comes... it seems 728 00:49:32,806 --> 00:49:33,807 to just flow through him 729 00:49:33,841 --> 00:49:34,808 when he's writing music 730 00:49:34,875 --> 00:49:38,212 it seems that he has music in his head 731 00:49:38,278 --> 00:49:39,880 and it sort of comes through... 732 00:49:39,947 --> 00:49:41,482 and I think that the state of mind 733 00:49:41,515 --> 00:49:42,850 he's in when hes when he's writing 734 00:49:42,883 --> 00:49:45,319 is quite detached from 735 00:49:45,352 --> 00:49:46,453 what we would think of as 736 00:49:46,487 --> 00:49:50,124 a normal day-to-day way of functioning 737 00:49:51,191 --> 00:49:53,894 he's not logical... he doesn't umm 738 00:49:53,927 --> 00:49:56,597 he doesn't try to write music 739 00:49:56,663 --> 00:49:58,732 he allows music to be... 740 00:49:58,766 --> 00:49:59,900 to come through him 741 00:49:59,967 --> 00:50:02,102 I mean I think... I think Shane is a 742 00:50:02,136 --> 00:50:04,671 kind of master at... uhh 743 00:50:04,705 --> 00:50:07,407 the opening lines of songs... are 744 00:50:07,441 --> 00:50:10,911 always you know uhh... unbelievably good 745 00:50:10,944 --> 00:50:12,746 you know Christmas eve babe 746 00:50:12,780 --> 00:50:15,482 in the drunk tank 747 00:53:39,887 --> 00:53:42,422 every piece got completely erased 748 00:53:42,456 --> 00:53:44,458 beginning to end by the media 749 00:53:44,558 --> 00:53:48,829 every note okay? like I mean apart 750 00:53:48,862 --> 00:53:50,397 from a few notes by Jim 751 00:53:50,431 --> 00:53:51,665 I mean a little riff 752 00:53:51,698 --> 00:53:53,834 by Jim you know... okay? 753 00:53:53,867 --> 00:53:56,003 but I'm saying like the orchestral 754 00:53:56,036 --> 00:54:01,241 arrangement was by me... yeah? you know? 755 00:54:02,242 --> 00:54:04,578 Steve Lilywhite was talking about using us 756 00:54:04,645 --> 00:54:06,447 uhh... a machine could do it 757 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,382 you know what I mean? 758 00:54:08,415 --> 00:54:09,416 I said, "No way!" 759 00:54:09,450 --> 00:54:10,584 it's gotta be the real thing yeah 760 00:54:10,717 --> 00:54:12,419 we almost had a number one single with 761 00:54:12,453 --> 00:54:13,821 Fairytale of New York... yeah 762 00:54:13,854 --> 00:54:15,989 but the Pet Shop Boys had other ideas 763 00:54:16,056 --> 00:54:18,325 with their Elvis Presley cover 764 00:54:18,392 --> 00:54:20,627 uhh... but even they would 765 00:54:20,661 --> 00:54:21,995 have to have conceded I think 766 00:54:22,029 --> 00:54:23,530 that morally we were the 767 00:54:23,564 --> 00:54:24,832 number one record that week 768 00:54:24,865 --> 00:54:27,134 uhh... it's the greatest Christmas 769 00:54:27,167 --> 00:54:30,671 song since White Christmas you know uhh 770 00:54:30,704 --> 00:54:32,739 and Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas 771 00:54:32,806 --> 00:54:35,476 those three... they're the alltime greats 772 00:54:36,777 --> 00:54:38,712 I still think it's an extraordinary record 773 00:54:38,713 --> 00:54:40,781 coming as it did out of nothing 774 00:54:40,848 --> 00:54:42,716 and even though the first two 775 00:54:42,749 --> 00:54:44,685 albums had primed people for kind of 776 00:54:44,718 --> 00:54:45,719 what to expect with the Pogues 777 00:54:45,786 --> 00:54:46,954 I don't think anyone for a second 778 00:54:47,287 --> 00:54:49,690 expected the riches of 779 00:54:49,723 --> 00:54:50,824 Fairytale of New York 780 00:55:19,987 --> 00:55:21,321 I loved the boat... yeah? 781 00:55:21,388 --> 00:55:24,725 you don't get treated like a piece of shit 782 00:55:24,792 --> 00:55:26,059 like you do on an airplane 783 00:55:26,126 --> 00:55:28,996 unless you're a fucking executive 784 00:55:29,062 --> 00:55:31,231 you know? like... yeah? 785 00:55:31,298 --> 00:55:33,267 I liked that boat quite a lot... yeah? 786 00:55:37,638 --> 00:55:39,006 there or there or over there? 787 00:55:40,274 --> 00:55:42,609 no... how about there or there? 788 00:55:42,676 --> 00:55:43,477 double gin and tonic 789 00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:45,012 lots of ice slice of lemon 790 00:55:49,082 --> 00:55:50,350 glad to meet you 791 00:55:50,384 --> 00:55:51,985 I'm so glad you made it 792 00:55:52,052 --> 00:55:54,254 how you doing? how you doing man? 793 00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:58,425 you got your hair... your beard cut off 794 00:55:58,492 --> 00:55:59,660 aye... sort of... yeah 795 00:56:03,363 --> 00:56:05,799 the impression I think a lot of people get 796 00:56:05,866 --> 00:56:07,434 is that... you know... 797 00:56:07,468 --> 00:56:10,771 it's Shane MacGowan... crazy guy 798 00:56:10,804 --> 00:56:12,573 there were fifteen crazy guys 799 00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:13,540 the crew as well 800 00:56:13,607 --> 00:56:15,008 we fell around the world 801 00:56:15,075 --> 00:56:17,244 I don't know how we got from A to B 802 00:56:17,311 --> 00:56:18,812 we were all piss drunk 803 00:56:18,879 --> 00:56:19,947 all of the time 804 00:56:20,047 --> 00:56:22,649 I never envied uhh... Joey 805 00:56:22,683 --> 00:56:24,718 Cashman's job as tour manager 806 00:56:24,751 --> 00:56:25,486 I thought that was... 807 00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:26,386 that must be... 808 00:56:26,420 --> 00:56:27,721 what's the worst job you ever had? 809 00:56:27,788 --> 00:56:29,656 I was the Pogues tour manager 810 00:56:29,723 --> 00:56:30,657 yeah... great 811 00:56:30,724 --> 00:56:32,659 there's no such thing as the good old days 812 00:56:32,726 --> 00:56:35,095 oh no... that's not true... Joey no 813 00:56:35,162 --> 00:56:36,964 that's not true 814 00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:39,500 as tour manager I would be... 815 00:56:39,566 --> 00:56:40,367 I would organize the 816 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,336 rooms and that at reception 817 00:56:42,369 --> 00:56:45,506 and uhh guys who were particularly drunk 818 00:56:45,572 --> 00:56:47,174 so I asked them to stay outside 819 00:56:47,241 --> 00:56:49,176 so that the hotel people wouldn't see them 820 00:56:49,243 --> 00:56:50,477 before we could at least get 821 00:56:50,511 --> 00:56:52,713 our keys and get into the hotel 822 00:56:52,746 --> 00:56:54,815 so... I was in the middle of doing that 823 00:56:54,882 --> 00:56:56,483 and there were quite a few bands staying 824 00:56:56,517 --> 00:56:58,452 there and I heard a bit of a commotion 825 00:56:58,519 --> 00:56:59,987 I turned around and... uhh 826 00:57:00,053 --> 00:57:03,791 Shane was being umm... helped in 827 00:57:03,824 --> 00:57:06,293 by Big Charlie and somebody else 828 00:57:06,326 --> 00:57:08,228 they had an arm each over their shoulders 829 00:57:08,295 --> 00:57:10,431 and he had uhh... his leather 830 00:57:10,464 --> 00:57:12,699 trousers were down around his knees 831 00:57:12,733 --> 00:57:14,234 he had no underpants on 832 00:57:14,301 --> 00:57:16,503 and they were dragging him along 833 00:57:16,570 --> 00:57:18,038 his feet were just going like that 834 00:57:18,138 --> 00:57:20,707 and uhh... I just said to 835 00:57:20,741 --> 00:57:21,575 the receptionist you know 836 00:57:21,608 --> 00:57:23,210 "What kind of a hotel is this?" 837 00:57:23,277 --> 00:57:24,711 you know... what are these people 838 00:57:24,778 --> 00:57:26,680 as if I had nothing to do with them 839 00:57:26,747 --> 00:57:28,615 do you want to hear what it says? 840 00:57:30,784 --> 00:57:32,653 Shane MacGowan and the Pogues 841 00:57:32,719 --> 00:57:34,988 and the Pogues is in the same size 842 00:57:35,022 --> 00:57:37,091 letters as my name for some reason... right? 843 00:57:37,124 --> 00:57:40,060 you know Shane MacGowan's influence on 844 00:57:40,094 --> 00:57:42,696 Irish music cannot be overestimated 845 00:57:45,466 --> 00:57:47,234 I don't think it's true to say 846 00:57:47,301 --> 00:57:49,837 that all of us were drinking too much 847 00:57:49,903 --> 00:57:54,408 but certainly for some people in the band 848 00:57:54,475 --> 00:57:56,643 alcohol had become a major problem 849 00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:59,980 MacGowan's deceptively simple songs 850 00:58:00,047 --> 00:58:03,150 I'd like to know what's 851 00:58:03,183 --> 00:58:04,451 so bloody simple about them 852 00:58:04,485 --> 00:58:06,453 try and play them... cunt 853 00:58:07,354 --> 00:58:10,090 contain worldly words of life 854 00:58:10,124 --> 00:58:11,859 and lifetimes of experience 855 00:58:11,925 --> 00:58:13,227 and he compresses all manner 856 00:58:13,260 --> 00:58:15,262 of human passion into his work 857 00:58:15,329 --> 00:58:18,198 desperate DESPERATE to communicate 858 00:58:18,265 --> 00:58:20,334 everything he has lived and found 859 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,669 down to the last ounce of 860 00:58:22,736 --> 00:58:24,571 commitment and urgency 861 00:58:24,638 --> 00:58:28,375 if you had issues with alcohol 862 00:58:28,442 --> 00:58:29,243 there was no better... trust me 863 00:58:29,309 --> 00:58:30,811 there was no better place in the world 864 00:58:30,878 --> 00:58:32,179 to bury them and hide them 865 00:58:32,246 --> 00:58:33,647 than in the Pogues you know? 866 00:58:33,714 --> 00:58:34,948 because the whole culture 867 00:58:35,015 --> 00:58:37,117 that built around the band 868 00:58:37,184 --> 00:58:41,755 uhh... positively you know... demanded it 869 00:59:07,581 --> 00:59:10,451 a couple of nice ones 870 00:59:11,418 --> 00:59:12,152 when you're that age 871 00:59:12,219 --> 00:59:13,120 that's what you want to do 872 00:59:13,187 --> 00:59:14,288 you want to um... 873 00:59:14,321 --> 00:59:15,923 you want to drink too much 874 00:59:15,956 --> 00:59:17,825 and take too many drugs 875 00:59:17,891 --> 00:59:19,993 and stay up all night 876 00:59:20,060 --> 00:59:22,062 and behave badly 877 00:59:23,063 --> 00:59:23,864 and of course you... know they 878 00:59:23,897 --> 00:59:25,165 were just having a good time 879 00:59:34,208 --> 00:59:35,409 I knew he drank alot 880 00:59:35,476 --> 00:59:38,312 but it wasn't so much that he drank alot 881 00:59:38,445 --> 00:59:40,380 but that he seemed to be doing it 882 00:59:40,447 --> 00:59:42,049 more out of desperaton at that point 883 00:59:42,116 --> 00:59:45,285 more as a way of avoiding people 884 00:59:45,352 --> 00:59:47,321 than as a way of joining in 885 00:59:47,387 --> 00:59:48,889 whereas when I first met him 886 00:59:48,956 --> 00:59:50,691 he was a very sociable sort of person 887 00:59:50,758 --> 00:59:54,762 and he would drink umm... with people 888 00:59:54,828 --> 00:59:57,231 you know with me or with whoever 889 00:59:57,297 --> 00:59:59,032 when it got really bad 890 00:59:59,099 --> 01:00:00,234 I could see him like... 891 01:00:00,267 --> 01:00:02,236 put down a bottle of gin 892 01:00:02,302 --> 01:00:04,438 before he went on stage just to umm 893 01:00:04,505 --> 01:00:06,607 just to make himself feel 894 01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,275 able to get on stage I think 895 01:00:08,509 --> 01:00:09,543 I love Them 896 01:00:09,576 --> 01:00:10,844 I love the dance stuff 897 01:00:10,878 --> 01:00:13,647 I love the dance stuff... Astral Weeks 898 01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,883 - I like all the albums - I love Them stuff 899 01:00:15,916 --> 01:00:17,251 - I like all his music - Astral Weeks 900 01:00:17,284 --> 01:00:19,787 I think it was a pivotal moment 901 01:00:19,853 --> 01:00:20,788 because they made that 902 01:00:20,821 --> 01:00:23,357 move from being in control 903 01:00:23,390 --> 01:00:26,293 to being a part of somebody else's agenda 904 01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:30,631 and Shane certainly changed at that point 905 01:00:30,697 --> 01:00:35,969 he seemed quite disillusioned and cynical 906 01:00:36,036 --> 01:00:37,871 about the whole business of 907 01:00:37,938 --> 01:00:38,839 of being on the road 908 01:00:38,906 --> 01:00:39,840 about performing 909 01:00:39,907 --> 01:00:41,074 it seemed to have taken 910 01:00:41,108 --> 01:00:42,543 a huge toll on his psyche 911 01:00:42,609 --> 01:00:44,077 he seemed to have no 912 01:00:44,111 --> 01:00:45,712 space to just be himself 913 01:00:50,084 --> 01:00:52,086 they started to act like rock stars 914 01:00:52,152 --> 01:00:54,354 they started to think like rock stars 915 01:00:54,421 --> 01:00:55,856 they were great musicians 916 01:00:55,889 --> 01:00:57,391 I mean... like... so what? 917 01:00:57,458 --> 01:00:58,826 you know what I mean? you know? 918 01:00:58,892 --> 01:01:02,663 I mean... uhh... you know 919 01:01:02,696 --> 01:01:04,932 but I mean... like... uhh... 920 01:01:04,998 --> 01:01:07,067 that doesn't give you any... rights 921 01:01:07,134 --> 01:01:08,168 you know what I mean? you know? 922 01:01:08,235 --> 01:01:10,604 above any other human being 923 01:01:10,671 --> 01:01:12,039 you know what I mean? you know? 924 01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:14,808 there was a... there was... umm 925 01:01:14,875 --> 01:01:17,744 and underlying sort of resentment 926 01:01:17,811 --> 01:01:19,213 against Shane in the band 927 01:01:19,279 --> 01:01:22,616 because all the media would 928 01:01:22,683 --> 01:01:25,152 want to speak to Shane... all right? 929 01:01:25,219 --> 01:01:28,489 umm... and... of course 930 01:01:28,555 --> 01:01:29,323 it was alot more than that 931 01:01:29,389 --> 01:01:30,357 let's just say one... 932 01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:31,992 one particular subject 933 01:01:32,059 --> 01:01:33,160 and they... they liked 934 01:01:33,193 --> 01:01:34,361 to think about themselves 935 01:01:34,595 --> 01:01:35,729 as a nine piece band 936 01:01:35,796 --> 01:01:38,499 where everybody had an equal input 937 01:01:38,565 --> 01:01:40,868 and equal importance 938 01:01:40,934 --> 01:01:43,937 so... sometimes I felt that... umm 939 01:01:44,004 --> 01:01:47,508 people were objecting to his opinions 940 01:01:47,574 --> 01:01:50,677 not based upon his actual opinions 941 01:01:50,744 --> 01:01:52,613 but simply because they just got fed up 942 01:01:52,679 --> 01:01:53,514 with it being 943 01:01:53,580 --> 01:01:56,383 Shane Shane Shane Shane 944 01:01:56,450 --> 01:01:57,851 it was never my band 945 01:01:57,918 --> 01:01:59,953 we were a democratic band... you know? 946 01:02:00,020 --> 01:02:00,754 and then in the end 947 01:02:00,821 --> 01:02:02,156 like I wasn't involved 948 01:02:02,189 --> 01:02:03,624 in the democracy anymore 949 01:02:03,690 --> 01:02:05,592 the system was to blame... yeah? 950 01:02:05,659 --> 01:02:07,761 we thought we could beat the system 951 01:02:07,828 --> 01:02:08,896 and we couldn't 952 01:02:11,565 --> 01:02:14,134 we had set out to beat the system 953 01:02:44,965 --> 01:02:46,066 they said... you know... we don't 954 01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:47,668 really want you to go... you know? 955 01:02:47,734 --> 01:02:48,669 I mean... we need you 956 01:02:48,735 --> 01:02:50,104 I mean all this... you know? 957 01:02:50,170 --> 01:02:51,004 you know... give us a 958 01:02:51,038 --> 01:02:52,606 couple more years... I mean 959 01:02:52,673 --> 01:02:53,507 you know... uhh... you know 960 01:02:56,443 --> 01:02:57,845 you know... I didn't like... 961 01:02:57,911 --> 01:03:00,147 because I don't want to fight or anything 962 01:03:00,214 --> 01:03:01,248 you know... I mean 963 01:03:01,315 --> 01:03:02,549 I was easy persuaded to 964 01:03:02,583 --> 01:03:04,685 carry on... you know 965 01:03:07,121 --> 01:03:08,889 things will get better... you know 966 01:03:10,524 --> 01:03:13,794 but things got worse 967 01:03:19,133 --> 01:03:20,567 somehow from the outside 968 01:03:20,634 --> 01:03:23,170 there was this farcical idea 969 01:03:24,071 --> 01:03:25,973 that the Pogues were allowing 970 01:03:26,039 --> 01:03:27,541 Shane MacGowan to kill himself 971 01:03:27,608 --> 01:03:28,408 that in fact we might 972 01:03:28,442 --> 01:03:29,877 even have welcomed the idea 973 01:03:29,943 --> 01:03:31,845 and nothing could be farther from the truth 974 01:03:31,912 --> 01:03:34,181 we cared very deeply about Shane 975 01:03:34,248 --> 01:03:34,948 and still do 976 01:03:35,015 --> 01:03:36,884 ultimately we're his best friends 977 01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:38,085 I mean... you know... 978 01:03:38,152 --> 01:03:39,553 he might speak ill of us now 979 01:03:39,620 --> 01:03:41,054 all these years later occasionally 980 01:03:41,121 --> 01:03:42,256 but he doesn't really mean it 981 01:03:42,322 --> 01:03:44,057 it was like a bunch of guys 982 01:03:44,124 --> 01:03:47,327 who just cared about each very much 983 01:03:47,394 --> 01:03:48,095 but like there 984 01:03:48,128 --> 01:03:48,896 there always comes a point 985 01:03:48,962 --> 01:03:49,963 where you can only help 986 01:03:50,030 --> 01:03:51,231 somebody so much 987 01:04:13,620 --> 01:04:14,688 I wanted to make an Irish 988 01:04:14,721 --> 01:04:16,523 album for the Ulsterhouse (?) kids 989 01:04:16,590 --> 01:04:18,959 so if you get out ??? 990 01:04:19,026 --> 01:04:21,328 and you listen... it's a piece of love 991 01:04:21,395 --> 01:04:23,030 you'll find that all 992 01:04:23,063 --> 01:04:26,767 my tracks are in the house beat (?) 993 01:04:35,476 --> 01:04:36,977 the touring was getting to me 994 01:04:37,144 --> 01:04:38,812 and the... uhh... constant 995 01:04:38,846 --> 01:04:40,214 arguments and stuff... you know? 996 01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:41,782 we were starting to sound 997 01:04:41,815 --> 01:04:44,485 tired and... uhh... jaded 998 01:04:44,551 --> 01:04:46,286 yes... you know... i mean it was 999 01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:47,955 sounding like we should call it a day 1000 01:04:48,021 --> 01:04:49,890 you know 1001 01:04:49,957 --> 01:04:50,758 we should have... like... called 1002 01:04:50,791 --> 01:04:52,025 it a day at that stage... yeah 1003 01:04:54,394 --> 01:04:55,629 if we'd left it at that note 1004 01:04:55,696 --> 01:04:57,131 we would have got out a bit 1005 01:04:57,164 --> 01:04:58,565 graciously... you know 1006 01:05:00,367 --> 01:05:01,468 but making Hell's Ditch 1007 01:05:01,535 --> 01:05:03,036 was a ridiculous mistake 1008 01:05:03,403 --> 01:05:05,305 basically the problem 1009 01:05:05,339 --> 01:05:06,273 is... like... the singing... 1010 01:05:06,340 --> 01:05:08,275 the singing isn't as good as it could be 1011 01:05:08,475 --> 01:05:10,577 the playing isn't either actually 1012 01:05:11,512 --> 01:05:13,213 but the singing is definitely very... 1013 01:05:13,580 --> 01:05:16,850 my voice is deteriorating 1014 01:05:16,917 --> 01:05:17,818 you know I remember seeing 1015 01:05:17,851 --> 01:05:19,520 the uhh... seeing the Pogues 1016 01:05:19,553 --> 01:05:21,188 in some festival in France 1017 01:05:21,255 --> 01:05:23,757 the show was falling to... falling to bits 1018 01:05:23,824 --> 01:05:25,159 umm... Shane didn't know 1019 01:05:25,192 --> 01:05:27,027 what songs they were playing and it was 1020 01:05:27,060 --> 01:05:28,429 you know it was one of those kind of 1021 01:05:28,462 --> 01:05:30,898 those kind of classic uhh... moments 1022 01:05:30,964 --> 01:05:35,202 and the... the worse Shane became 1023 01:05:35,269 --> 01:05:37,771 the more the audience kind of adored him 1024 01:05:37,805 --> 01:05:39,940 and until the concert was 1025 01:05:39,973 --> 01:05:42,543 pretty much unlistenable 1026 01:05:42,609 --> 01:05:45,546 they were playing some horrendous kind 1027 01:05:45,579 --> 01:05:47,181 of Rolling Stones cover 1028 01:05:47,214 --> 01:05:47,981 or something like that 1029 01:05:48,015 --> 01:05:50,017 and... uhh... really 1030 01:05:50,050 --> 01:05:52,119 pandering to this audience 1031 01:05:52,186 --> 01:05:53,921 in this way and I found that 1032 01:05:53,987 --> 01:05:56,957 from a band that could be so great 1033 01:05:57,024 --> 01:06:00,127 quite kind of sickening to watch actually 1034 01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,764 and I find that element... I always found 1035 01:06:03,797 --> 01:06:04,731 I always found that element of the Pogues 1036 01:06:04,798 --> 01:06:06,333 kind of disappointing in a way 1037 01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:07,768 because they could be so great 1038 01:06:07,769 --> 01:06:08,969 you know but then again 1039 01:06:09,036 --> 01:06:10,871 at the sound check of that concert 1040 01:06:10,938 --> 01:06:14,074 Shane was in better form and came on 1041 01:06:14,141 --> 01:06:15,275 and just sang the song with 1042 01:06:15,309 --> 01:06:16,176 his hands in his pockets 1043 01:06:16,243 --> 01:06:18,078 singing this song at the sound check 1044 01:06:18,145 --> 01:06:19,880 and I've never heard anything so beautiful 1045 01:06:19,947 --> 01:06:21,248 it was just. . . you know. . . 1046 01:06:21,249 --> 01:06:22,583 it was just unbelievable 1047 01:08:27,107 --> 01:08:29,209 Hell's Ditch was my own sort of uhh 1048 01:08:29,276 --> 01:08:30,878 crash landing if you like 1049 01:08:30,944 --> 01:08:32,513 I knew at that point that I had 1050 01:08:32,546 --> 01:08:34,248 a serious problem with it and that 1051 01:08:34,314 --> 01:08:36,083 it was going to be a tough one to beat 1052 01:08:36,116 --> 01:08:38,152 because it's the equivalent of being in a 1053 01:08:38,185 --> 01:08:39,787 brewery and trying to stop drinking 1054 01:08:39,853 --> 01:08:41,021 being on the road with 1055 01:08:41,054 --> 01:08:41,855 the Pogues... you know 1056 01:08:41,922 --> 01:08:44,892 but that's not to say that there wasn't 1057 01:08:44,958 --> 01:08:46,827 personal responsibility involved 1058 01:08:46,894 --> 01:08:48,162 I was prepared to take 1059 01:08:48,195 --> 01:08:49,530 the personal responsibility 1060 01:08:49,596 --> 01:08:51,098 but at that point in my life 1061 01:08:51,165 --> 01:08:52,800 I found it very very difficult 1062 01:08:52,866 --> 01:08:54,334 it was just easier to succummb 1063 01:08:54,368 --> 01:08:56,537 to the... to the drink... you know 1064 01:08:56,603 --> 01:08:57,671 I was always saying, "We gotta 1065 01:08:57,704 --> 01:08:59,273 stop touring so much." 1066 01:08:59,339 --> 01:09:00,574 you know what I mean... you know? 1067 01:09:00,641 --> 01:09:03,343 but they wouldn't... they didn't 1068 01:09:03,377 --> 01:09:05,312 agree with me and so on... you know 1069 01:09:05,412 --> 01:09:06,547 so they obviously didn't think 1070 01:09:06,613 --> 01:09:08,015 they were paying a high price you know 1071 01:09:10,684 --> 01:09:12,786 if they think they paid a high price now 1072 01:09:12,853 --> 01:09:15,823 you know... I hate to say I told you so... 1073 01:09:45,919 --> 01:09:47,254 did we sack Shane MacGowan 1074 01:09:47,321 --> 01:09:48,388 there is the question 1075 01:09:48,455 --> 01:09:52,760 no... it's just never as simple as that 1076 01:09:52,826 --> 01:09:53,794 what actully happened was 1077 01:09:53,861 --> 01:09:56,296 it was becoming very obvious that the band 1078 01:09:56,330 --> 01:09:59,133 wanted to carry on playing at something 1079 01:09:59,166 --> 01:10:00,667 like the level we were playing 1080 01:10:00,734 --> 01:10:01,735 and Shane was getting more and more 1081 01:10:01,769 --> 01:10:04,471 disenchanted with that and wanted to 1082 01:10:04,538 --> 01:10:05,739 spend more time at home 1083 01:10:05,773 --> 01:10:08,041 and mainly the way he was telling us that 1084 01:10:08,108 --> 01:10:10,844 was by the inconsistency of his behaviour 1085 01:10:10,911 --> 01:10:12,346 you know Shane's not the sort of a person 1086 01:10:12,413 --> 01:10:14,848 who can tell you in a straight way 1087 01:10:14,915 --> 01:10:15,783 look I really don't... 1088 01:10:15,816 --> 01:10:17,451 I'm just not digging this 1089 01:10:17,518 --> 01:10:19,253 so he would have to go around the houses 1090 01:10:19,254 --> 01:10:21,088 and tell you in some complicated way 1091 01:10:21,121 --> 01:10:22,923 that you eventually get the message 1092 01:10:22,990 --> 01:10:24,258 and then he would make it look like 1093 01:10:24,324 --> 01:10:27,394 you're telling him this... you know? 1094 01:10:27,461 --> 01:10:29,296 so that it would be all you fault... 1095 01:10:29,363 --> 01:10:31,365 you're telling him he can't do this anymore 1096 01:10:31,432 --> 01:10:35,235 in fact he'd just gone to extreme lengths 1097 01:10:35,302 --> 01:10:37,104 to make you understand that that's the case 1098 01:10:37,171 --> 01:10:40,107 ahh... and Shane is magnificent at 1099 01:10:40,174 --> 01:10:41,708 twisting everything around to that purpose 1100 01:10:41,775 --> 01:10:43,077 so I think he probably 1101 01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:43,877 thinks we sacked him yes 1102 01:10:43,944 --> 01:10:47,414 but he knows in his heart that it's not true 1103 01:10:51,752 --> 01:10:54,455 they fired him... I was at the meeting 1104 01:10:54,521 --> 01:10:55,556 they fired him 1105 01:10:55,622 --> 01:10:58,358 I was venomously against it 1106 01:10:58,359 --> 01:11:01,328 it was in Japan after a particularly 1107 01:11:01,395 --> 01:11:03,897 bad couple of years as far as 1108 01:11:03,964 --> 01:11:05,265 some people were concerned 1109 01:11:05,266 --> 01:11:09,136 but the reason Shane 1110 01:11:09,169 --> 01:11:11,205 wasn't performing as well 1111 01:11:11,271 --> 01:11:14,675 and the reason he withdrew and 1112 01:11:14,742 --> 01:11:17,978 got as out of it as he did was because of 1113 01:11:17,979 --> 01:11:20,314 the situation that he found himself in 1114 01:11:20,347 --> 01:11:21,515 they were trying to phase 1115 01:11:21,548 --> 01:11:23,817 Irish music out altogether 1116 01:11:23,818 --> 01:11:24,952 you know what I mean? 1117 01:11:25,886 --> 01:11:26,687 which is insane 1118 01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:27,821 you know what I mean? 1119 01:11:27,855 --> 01:11:28,889 I said, "What do you mean?" 1120 01:11:28,922 --> 01:11:31,125 that's what we do... is Irish music 1121 01:11:31,191 --> 01:11:33,594 you know... that's what we do 1122 01:11:33,627 --> 01:11:34,428 that's what we do 1123 01:11:34,461 --> 01:11:36,296 like the Specials do ska and the 1124 01:11:36,363 --> 01:11:40,134 and the fucking Rolling Stones do R and B 1125 01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:41,135 you know what I mean? 1126 01:11:41,201 --> 01:11:43,504 what we do is Irish music you know 1127 01:11:43,570 --> 01:11:45,105 rural Irish music 1128 01:11:45,139 --> 01:11:49,376 you know emotional guts dance music 1129 01:11:49,643 --> 01:11:53,781 we got that... bypasses the end like 1130 01:11:53,814 --> 01:11:55,416 and hits you in the gut... 1131 01:11:55,482 --> 01:11:56,884 and hits you in the heart... 1132 01:11:56,950 --> 01:11:58,419 and hits you in the soul 1133 01:13:13,527 --> 01:13:17,865 oh. . . I am 1134 01:13:22,035 --> 01:13:23,404 I've been a babe magnet 1135 01:13:23,437 --> 01:13:24,605 for quite a while you know 1136 01:13:24,638 --> 01:13:26,407 I gave up trying to impress girls 1137 01:13:26,440 --> 01:13:27,307 you know what I mean 1138 01:13:27,308 --> 01:13:28,275 and they started getting 1139 01:13:28,308 --> 01:13:29,643 interested in me yeah 1140 01:13:33,947 --> 01:13:35,816 just think now... 1141 01:13:39,019 --> 01:13:41,555 is there a hot tub? 1142 01:13:42,756 --> 01:13:46,693 well I mean with ??? the tub's gone yeah? 1143 01:13:51,298 --> 01:13:52,733 there's a sauna and swimming pool yeah? 1144 01:14:02,142 --> 01:14:03,310 I told you I'm going to 1145 01:14:03,343 --> 01:14:06,647 put a jacousi in the barn yeah? 1146 01:15:34,334 --> 01:15:35,636 you cannot become a babe 1147 01:15:35,669 --> 01:15:38,005 magnet if you're no good 1148 01:15:38,038 --> 01:15:40,507 know what I mean? 1149 01:15:40,541 --> 01:15:42,743 because girls tell other girls 1150 01:15:42,776 --> 01:15:44,411 what you're like you know what I mean 1151 01:15:44,445 --> 01:15:46,613 and like you might be really dishy 1152 01:15:46,647 --> 01:15:48,182 which I'm not you know what I mean? 1153 01:15:48,215 --> 01:15:50,150 but that wasn't my attraction 1154 01:15:50,184 --> 01:15:53,020 you know what I mean? like you know 1155 01:15:53,053 --> 01:15:56,790 girls said to other girls yeah? 1156 01:16:19,313 --> 01:16:21,381 - do you want to come in the Merc Shane? - what? 1157 01:16:21,415 --> 01:16:22,649 - do you want to come in the Merc? - yeah 1158 01:16:22,716 --> 01:16:24,485 - right I'll go get it -I'll get my car though 1159 01:16:24,518 --> 01:16:27,821 - come in a decent car - come in the Merc right 1160 01:16:31,024 --> 01:16:34,728 - come and try a piece of the Merc - yeah come on and have a shot of the Merc 1161 01:16:34,729 --> 01:16:38,599 - first decent fucking car we ever had - absolutely i quite agree 1162 01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:41,402 i quite agree... i couldn't agree more 1163 01:16:41,403 --> 01:16:43,437 you mean the last decent car 1164 01:17:15,702 --> 01:17:17,071 I've been reading all this stuff about you 1165 01:17:17,137 --> 01:17:19,173 this very public row between 1166 01:17:19,206 --> 01:17:20,040 you and Sinead O'Connor 1167 01:17:20,041 --> 01:17:22,943 she said she was going to shop you 1168 01:17:22,976 --> 01:17:24,545 for heroin... isn't that so? 1169 01:17:24,578 --> 01:17:25,779 and she did 1170 01:17:25,846 --> 01:17:27,614 I think it's bloody obvious that she's 1171 01:17:27,648 --> 01:17:29,149 out only for publicity 1172 01:17:29,216 --> 01:17:32,853 and like... at this stage of the game like 1173 01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:36,256 she doesn't... she doesn't even view it like 1174 01:17:36,323 --> 01:17:37,324 you know what I mean like 1175 01:17:37,391 --> 01:17:39,526 she'll do anything for publicity 1176 01:17:39,527 --> 01:17:40,327 you know what I mean? 1177 01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:21,168 I do believe she did do it 1178 01:18:21,169 --> 01:18:23,404 because she genuinely felt that 1179 01:18:23,437 --> 01:18:25,439 our relationship was worth saving 1180 01:18:25,472 --> 01:18:28,442 and she saw that I love Shane 1181 01:18:28,509 --> 01:18:29,376 and that Shane loves me 1182 01:18:29,377 --> 01:18:31,278 and she could see that very clearly 1183 01:18:31,345 --> 01:18:32,946 even though I couldn't really 1184 01:18:32,980 --> 01:18:33,847 at that point... see it 1185 01:18:33,881 --> 01:18:35,382 I was like ready to give up 1186 01:18:35,416 --> 01:18:36,483 I thought right, well you know I 1187 01:18:36,517 --> 01:18:38,852 cut my losses and see if I can find 1188 01:18:38,853 --> 01:18:42,289 some more satisfactory relationship 1189 01:18:42,356 --> 01:18:44,892 it may well have helped because 1190 01:18:44,958 --> 01:18:46,693 I think it did force Shane to think 1191 01:18:48,362 --> 01:18:49,696 even if he didn't want to think... 1192 01:18:50,264 --> 01:18:52,066 about what was going on and what... 1193 01:18:52,099 --> 01:18:53,801 you know and what I was unhappy about 1194 01:18:53,867 --> 01:18:56,070 and what he was doing and stuff 1195 01:18:56,136 --> 01:18:57,304 she's friends with 1196 01:18:57,337 --> 01:18:59,306 friends of my missus Vickie 1197 01:18:59,373 --> 01:19:00,474 she seems to believe 1198 01:19:00,507 --> 01:19:02,676 that she whatever did 1199 01:19:02,709 --> 01:19:04,611 with the best intentions you know? 1200 01:19:04,678 --> 01:19:07,581 so I don't give a fuck or anything 1201 01:19:07,614 --> 01:19:08,916 she's like you know 1202 01:19:11,418 --> 01:19:12,753 well she's got no right to 1203 01:19:12,820 --> 01:19:14,221 it's my life you know 1204 01:19:14,288 --> 01:19:16,256 I'm a fucking adult you know 1205 01:19:42,883 --> 01:19:44,651 I'm not the one to take a moral 1206 01:19:44,718 --> 01:19:47,287 high-ground about drug-taking 1207 01:19:47,321 --> 01:19:48,856 umm... in any way 1208 01:19:48,922 --> 01:19:51,692 umm... and what... Shane 1209 01:19:51,725 --> 01:19:53,460 feels is right for him is right for him 1210 01:19:53,527 --> 01:19:58,665 umm... myself I... I guess uhh... 1211 01:19:58,732 --> 01:20:00,401 I don't know... two years ago 1212 01:20:00,467 --> 01:20:03,237 I had to make a... a choice really 1213 01:20:03,303 --> 01:20:04,605 whether I was going to continue to 1214 01:20:04,671 --> 01:20:06,306 write and be an artist or whether 1215 01:20:06,340 --> 01:20:08,275 I was going uhh... to be a junkie 1216 01:20:08,342 --> 01:20:09,777 and that was pretty much the 1217 01:20:09,810 --> 01:20:10,878 choice that was being made 1218 01:20:10,944 --> 01:20:14,314 a year had gone by when the piano 1219 01:20:14,381 --> 01:20:16,517 just sort of sat in the corner of the room 1220 01:20:17,284 --> 01:20:19,520 staring back at me blankly 1221 01:20:19,586 --> 01:20:21,221 I wasn't doing anything 1222 01:20:21,255 --> 01:20:25,292 I wasn't able to a put a line on... on paper 1223 01:20:25,359 --> 01:20:29,096 and for me it became necessary to stop 1224 01:20:29,997 --> 01:20:31,899 and for me since I've stopped 1225 01:20:31,965 --> 01:20:33,200 I've been able to write with 1226 01:20:33,267 --> 01:20:34,034 much more energy 1227 01:20:34,101 --> 01:20:35,269 much more dedication 1228 01:20:35,335 --> 01:20:37,638 and much more concentration 1229 01:20:37,704 --> 01:20:38,872 than ever before 1230 01:20:53,587 --> 01:20:56,290 what Shane does is completely up to him 1231 01:20:56,356 --> 01:20:59,026 and has every right to do whatever he wants 1232 01:20:59,093 --> 01:21:00,294 and believe whatever he wants 1233 01:21:09,536 --> 01:21:11,371 that sounds like a sheep innit? 1234 01:21:21,081 --> 01:21:24,017 people often ask what Shane would be like 1235 01:21:24,184 --> 01:21:27,654 if he didn't drink but umm... it's funny 1236 01:21:27,721 --> 01:21:28,956 I don't ever really wonder about it 1237 01:21:28,989 --> 01:21:30,791 I don't ever really think about that 1238 01:21:34,795 --> 01:21:37,064 it seems to be so much a part 1239 01:21:38,132 --> 01:21:40,067 of what he's like 1240 01:21:40,068 --> 01:21:41,468 it seems almost as though that's 1241 01:21:41,535 --> 01:21:42,736 his purpose in life 1242 01:21:42,803 --> 01:21:44,204 is to write about drinking 1243 01:21:44,538 --> 01:21:45,773 I'm not saying that he only 1244 01:21:45,806 --> 01:21:46,640 writes about drinking 1245 01:21:46,673 --> 01:21:48,375 but to write about the type of things 1246 01:21:48,442 --> 01:21:49,943 that he does write about 1247 01:21:50,711 --> 01:21:54,081 and he encompasses quite alot 1248 01:21:54,681 --> 01:21:58,018 when I was young I washed the cars 1249 01:21:58,952 --> 01:22:02,189 when I was older I drank in bars 1250 01:22:04,458 --> 01:22:05,859 I don't know if he could 1251 01:22:05,893 --> 01:22:06,794 do it in the same way 1252 01:22:06,860 --> 01:22:08,295 if he was a different kind of person 1253 01:22:08,362 --> 01:22:09,797 and he lived his life differently 1254 01:22:10,230 --> 01:22:11,565 I don't know whether Shane terms 1255 01:22:11,632 --> 01:22:13,167 himself an alcoholic or not 1256 01:22:13,233 --> 01:22:15,969 Phil Chevron certainly ended up saying 1257 01:22:16,036 --> 01:22:17,971 I am an alcoholic and getting out of it 1258 01:22:18,038 --> 01:22:19,473 Terry Woods ended up saying 1259 01:22:19,474 --> 01:22:21,241 I am an alcoholic and getting out of it 1260 01:22:21,308 --> 01:22:22,810 Spider ended up saying 1261 01:22:22,811 --> 01:22:24,545 I am an alcoholic and getting out of it 1262 01:22:26,313 --> 01:22:28,882 Shane exhibited all of the characteristics 1263 01:22:28,916 --> 01:22:32,052 of the other three but just kept on going 1264 01:22:32,352 --> 01:22:35,089 - Joey - what? 1265 01:22:35,155 --> 01:22:37,191 don't tell me they haven't stuffed the olives for you 1266 01:22:37,257 --> 01:22:39,426 there's no gin... there's martini 1267 01:22:40,094 --> 01:22:42,062 we've survived... we survived the Pogues 1268 01:22:42,930 --> 01:22:44,465 you know I have been... I could easily be 1269 01:22:44,466 --> 01:22:46,333 dead now if there hadn't come a point 1270 01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:47,835 where I realized that 1271 01:22:47,868 --> 01:22:48,902 that was my next option 1272 01:22:48,969 --> 01:22:50,771 to decide whether or not 1273 01:22:50,804 --> 01:22:52,005 that was going to happen you know 1274 01:22:54,908 --> 01:22:58,812 you wanna go onstage? let's go 1275 01:23:09,656 --> 01:23:11,658 let's go... let's go here 1276 01:23:43,123 --> 01:23:44,858 you don't have to spend very long 1277 01:23:44,925 --> 01:23:46,527 on the road to know that you know 1278 01:23:46,593 --> 01:23:49,763 like you... you.. you can't be worried 1279 01:23:49,830 --> 01:23:51,765 about things like your health 1280 01:23:51,832 --> 01:23:55,335 and fucking like... like... uhh... 1281 01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:58,772 your parents being worried or like 1282 01:23:58,806 --> 01:24:00,374 you know what I mean? or like uhh... 1283 01:24:04,044 --> 01:24:06,480 the papers telling lies about you 1284 01:24:06,513 --> 01:24:07,815 whatever... you know what I mean? 1285 01:24:07,848 --> 01:24:09,516 you've got to say shit to all of that 1286 01:24:09,550 --> 01:24:10,384 you know what I mean? 1287 01:24:10,417 --> 01:24:14,388 I was just... what do I want to do? 1288 01:24:14,455 --> 01:24:17,224 I wanted... I want... I wanna be a mu... 1289 01:24:17,391 --> 01:24:19,059 what I always wanted to do was be a 1290 01:24:19,126 --> 01:24:21,328 professional musician you know 1291 01:24:23,931 --> 01:24:25,432 thank God I've ended up being 1292 01:24:25,499 --> 01:24:28,035 a professional musician 1293 01:27:00,788 --> 01:27:01,955 if he was out playing and wasn't 1294 01:27:01,989 --> 01:27:03,991 called in... for the rosary 1295 01:27:05,259 --> 01:27:08,562 there'd be... a bit of a row with him 1296 01:27:16,870 --> 01:27:19,506 Shane... whoever you were like... 1297 01:27:19,507 --> 01:27:21,475 you know John Jim George... you know 1298 01:27:21,542 --> 01:27:24,278 you know uhh... Bridget whatever 1299 01:27:24,344 --> 01:27:27,481 you know Maggie... Ryan you know 1300 01:27:27,548 --> 01:27:28,949 uhh yeah... you know? 1301 01:27:29,316 --> 01:27:32,186 it's the rosary... it's the rosary 1302 01:27:49,136 --> 01:27:51,672 and it's over the bed or 1303 01:27:51,739 --> 01:27:54,208 ahhh... it's gone away 1304 01:27:56,009 --> 01:27:58,712 and he's coming up... he's coming up 1305 01:27:58,779 --> 01:28:00,714 and aww... he went out 1306 01:28:04,718 --> 01:28:06,620 ahhh... almost there 1307 01:28:06,621 --> 01:28:08,422 oh yeah... he's coming up 1308 01:28:08,455 --> 01:28:10,391 he's coming up... he's coming up 1309 01:28:10,457 --> 01:28:13,427 ahhh... it's gone away 1310 01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:31,545 - what's the panic? - ??? it's on in fucking Limerick 1311 01:28:31,578 --> 01:28:32,379 you know what I mean? 1312 01:28:32,446 --> 01:28:35,449 she's... two hours ago it's fucking starting 1313 01:28:35,482 --> 01:28:37,217 she was supposed to be coming 1314 01:28:37,218 --> 01:28:39,853 ??? here... and you're speaking like that 1315 01:28:39,953 --> 01:28:42,523 well it's the cinéma vérité you know? 1316 01:28:42,556 --> 01:28:43,757 I mean that's what they call it 1317 01:28:44,058 --> 01:28:44,925 as the french say 1318 01:28:44,992 --> 01:28:47,361 that means realistic cinema 86395