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A daring prison escape
undetected for nearly a year...
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The so-called Facebook rapist
lived the high life, it seems,
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both in and out of prison.
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Following a series of
exposes by GroundUp,
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the Correctional
Services Department
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has now confirmed that
the badly-burned body
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found in Thabo Bester's
Mangaung Prison cell is not his.
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There were no signs
of smoke inhalation,
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but his internal organs, such
as the pancreas and the spleen,
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were in the early
stages of decomposition.
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Has the Department of
Correctional Services
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been engaged in a cover-up?
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There is no cover-up.
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Government is embarrassed.
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It's an embarrassing situation
that a convicted criminal,
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who was sentenced to life and
75 years, escapes from prison.
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Those with any information
that can assist
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are being asked to come forward.
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"The couple look
like any other."
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They smile and exchange
a knowing look.
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But rather than
thoughts of romance,
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is the knowledge that police
are hot on their tails.
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Yes, that's right.
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Today we're diving into a case
that has captured South Africans.
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The story of Dr
Nandipha Magudumana
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"and her lover, the rapist
and murderer Thabo Bester."
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"Dr Nandipha Magudumana, once
revered as a celebrity doctor"
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with accolades and fame,
now stands as an enigma.
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In March, 2023, a series
of events began to unravel,
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casting shadows over
Magudumana's glittering facade.
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A fall from grace that
no one saw coming.
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"The search for Bester and Nandipha
becomes a national obsession."
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Dr Nandipha, Thabo Bester..
It's a movie, guys.
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Their body was found
bound, gagged, and beaten.
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They had 57 stab wounds
in their abdomen, chest...
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Her arms were cut off,
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her legs were cut off,
her ears were cut off.
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Mm-hm. Now that's what
I'm talking about.
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I'm Nicole Engelbrecht
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and you're listening to
"True Crime South Africa".
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WHAT WE'RE STARTING TO REALLY
SEE IS A SHIFT, GLOBALLY,
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TO A MORE ETHICAL TRUE CRIME.
AND I THINK WHAT I'VE NOTICED
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IS THAT IT'S BECOME ALMOST
EMPOWERING FOR MY LISTENERS
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BECAUSE I THINK AS SOUTH AFRICANS,
WE CAN OFTEN FEEL VERY DISEMPOWERED,
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FEEL VERY MUCH LIKE CRIMINAL
ELEMENTS ARE TAKING OVER OUR COUNTRY
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AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN
REALLY DO TO PROTECT OURSELVES.
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AND TRUE CRIME IS A SMALL WAY OF
BEING ABLE TO TAKE BACK THESE STORIES
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AND THEN ALSO UNDERSTAND HOW
THESE PERPETRATORS DEVELOP.
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I THINK THAT WHAT WE'VE
COME TO UNDERSTAND
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IS THAT THESE PERPETRATORS AREN'T
NECESSARILY BORN, THEY ARE MADE.
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AND, YOU KNOW, THE MORE WE
KNOW ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE THIS,
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PERHAPS THE BETTER EQUIPPED
WE ARE TO "A", AVOID THEM,
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AND MAYBE AVOID BECOMING THEM.
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Dr Nandipha, let's
get to your story.
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I am Dr Nandipha Magudumana.
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I was born in a small village
called Bizana in the Eastern Cape.
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WE WERE ALL BORN
IN THE TRANSKEI.
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I'M ONE OF FOUR, AND NANDIPHA
IS MY YOUNGER SISTER.
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AFTER APARTHEID, MY
PARENTS FIGURED OUT
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THAT LIFE WAS BETTER ON THE OTHER
SIDE OF THE RIVER, BETTER SCHOOLS.
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AND WE MOVED TO
PORT EDWARD, KZN,
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AND WE WERE THE FIRST BLACK
PEOPLE TO BUY A HOUSE THERE.
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SO I'D CONSIDER MY PARENTS AND OUR
FAMILY THE SO-CALLED MIDDLE CLASS,
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BECAUSE MY PARENTS
WERE BOTH EDUCATORS,
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AND THEN THEY ADVANCED
THEIR PROFESSIONS
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BY BECOMING CHIEF
EDUCATION SPECIALISTS.
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SINCE NANDIPHA WAS VERY, VERY YOUNG,
SHE'S ALWAYS WANTED TO BE A DOCTOR.
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I REMEMBER WE TOOK ONE OF
HER DOLLS AND CUT IT IN HALF,
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AND THERE SHE WAS, TRYING
TO STITCH IT BACK TOGETHER,
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AND GETTING MY MOM
UPSET, OF COURSE.
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I spent most of my school career
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working towards getting
into medical school.
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In high school, I started
working at a pharmacy,
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and then there was also a
hospital next to my school,
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so I would take time and
do community service there.
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WERE YOU AND NANDIPHA CLOSE?
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I WOULD SAY SO. WE
WERE VERY CLOSE.
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WE'RE THE ONLY SIBLINGS
OUT OF THE FOUR
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THAT ARE ROUND
ABOUT THE SAME AGE,
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WHICH MAKES US SORT OF
PEERS IN THAT SENSE.
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NANDIPHA WAS ALWAYS A GO-GETTER.
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SHE ALWAYS LIKED NICE
THINGS, EVEN IN VARSITY.
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SHE'D MAKE HER SPARE
MONEY THROUGH MODELLING.
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So yeah, I finished, and then
I worked as a junior doctor.
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I did my internship
community service.
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And it was then when I realised
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that actually, I want to do
what I'm passionate about,
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which is aesthetic medicine, which
is something that's fairly new.
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- It's a discipline...
- What's that?
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So we make people beautiful.
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- That's what we do.
- Okay.
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- Damn, damn, damn, damn.
- Yeah.
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I STARTED INTRODUCING
HER TO THE MEDIA SPACE.
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JOURNALISTS WERE INTERESTED,
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SO I WOULD HOOK HER UP
WITH MEDIA EXPOSURE.
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MY PARENTS ALWAYS EMPHASISED THAT,
"WE LOVE ALL OF YOU EQUALLY",
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BUT YOU WOULD SEE THAT
THERE IS FAVOURITISM.
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NANDIPHA WAS A MILLIONAIRE,
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SO WHATEVER WE SAY..
COMES AFTER SHE SAYS.
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IF SHE SAYS SOMETHING,
SHE'S SPOKEN, AND THAT'S IT.
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HER BUSINESS WAS BOOMING.
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SHE HAD NOTIFIED US AS A FAMILY
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THAT SHE'S GOT A MENTOR
THAT LIVES IN NEW YORK CITY
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BY THE NAME OF TK NKWANA,
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WHICH WAS SUPPOSEDLY A
PROPERTY AND MEDIA MOGUL.
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And then I opened a property
and investment company,
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which is something that
I'm very passionate about,
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that I'm currently running.
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So I'm concurrently running
two companies at the same time.
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THE SO-CALLED TK
NKWANA THAT WE KNEW,
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NANDIPHA WOULD EXPLAIN THAT HE GREW
UP WITHOUT A FAMILY OR PARENTS.
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AND HE WAS TRYING TO
BE PART OF OUR FAMILY,
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IN THE SENSE THAT HE WOULD EVEN CALL
MY FATHER "DAD" AND MY MOM "MOM",
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AND, LIKE, "I'VE NEVER HAD PARENTS,
AND YOU GUYS HAVE BECOME MY PARENTS."
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AND YOU COULD SPEAK NOTHING
ILL OF THIS TK NKWANA
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BECAUSE HE WAS
"LITERALLY" FAMILY.
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HER CHILDREN USED TO CALL HIM
PINEAPPLE. THAT WAS HIS NICKNAME.
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AND DURING VIDEO CALLS,
NANDIPHA WOULD SAY,
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"DON'T YOU WANNA
SPEAK TO PINEAPPLE?"
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ON NANDIPHA'S STREAMING ACCOUNT,
THEY CHOSE TO BE THE GIRLS' ACCOUNT,
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MUMMY'S ACCOUNT,
WHICH IS NANDIPHA,
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AND THEN THERE'S PINEAPPLE ON
THE SIDE. THAT'S HIS NICKNAME.
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AND WHEN YOU GO THROUGH PINEAPPLE'S
ACCOUNT, IT'S ALL CRIME SERIES.
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IT'S ALL CRIME SERIES.
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SO I GUESS HE WAS GETTING TIPS.
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DID YOU GUYS EVER ASK
HER HOW SHE MET TK?
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UM.. I.. I DID ASK. AND YOU
NEVER GOT A CLEAR ANSWER.
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I DON'T EVER REMEMBER GETTING A
CLEAR ANSWER ON HOW SHE MET HIM.
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AND IF YOU SORT OF
SPEAK LIKE THAT,
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IT'S LIKE, "OH DON'T ASK. YOU
GUYS KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS."
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"STOP ASKING
QUESTIONS," SHE'D SAY.
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MY THEORY IS THABO BESTER
WAS SNOOPING AROUND ONLINE
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WHILE HE WAS IN JAIL AND THOUGHT
THAT HE COULD USE HER SOMEHOW,
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AND DID EXACTLY THAT. THEY MET
ONLINE. THAT'S WHAT I THINK.
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WHAT WE DO KNOW FOR A FACT,
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BECAUSE THE PRISON VISITATION
RECORDS INDICATE IT,
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IS THAT MAGUDUMANA STARTED
VISITING BESTER IN PRISON IN 2017.
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AND SHE VISITED HIM SEVERAL
TIMES IN THE COMING YEARS.
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THERE WAS EVEN ONE BOOKING
THAT WAS ON VALENTINE'S DAY.
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So what is the one habit nearly all
successful people have in common?
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IN 2017, THE FIRST OF THE COMPANIES
THAT MAGUDUMANA AND BESTER
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WOULD BOTH BE INVOLVED IN
WERE REGISTERED BY MAGUDUMANA.
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SO BEFORE MAGUDUMANA STARTED
VISITING BESTER IN PRISON,
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HE RECEIVED MANY OTHER VISITORS.
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MANY OF THESE VISITORS WERE WOMEN
EITHER INVOLVED IN MEDIA OR BUSINESS,
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AND HE HAD REACHED OUT TO THEM
WITH A BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY.
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BUT IN ALL OF THOSE CASES,
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ONCE IT BECAME CLEAR WHO HE
WAS, THOSE RELATIONSHIPS ENDED.
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WHAT I HAVE SEEN TIME AND
TIME AGAIN IN THIS CASE,
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IS THAT PEOPLE KNEW THAT THABO BESTER
WAS EITHER DOING THINGS IN PRISON
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OR WAS COMMUNICATING TOO CLOSELY
WITH PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF PRISON
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WHERE THEY COULD'VE
BEEN DOING THINGS.
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AND NOT A SINGLE PERSON WENT TO THE
DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONAL SERVICES
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AND SAID, "I KNOW FOR A FACT
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THAT THIS GUY IS HOSTING
PARTIES FROM HIS JAIL CELL."
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BESTER HAD APPARENTLY TOLD PEOPLE
THAT THE REASON HE WAS IN JAIL
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IS BECAUSE HE HAD TAKEN THE
FALL FOR A POLITICIAN'S SON.
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LOTS OF TEA.
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HOW DID YOU FIND THAT
OUT? WHO TOLD YOU THAT?
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SO THAT INFORMATION CAME
FROM SEVERAL SOURCES,
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AND PEOPLE HAD ALSO EMAILED
US USING PSEUDONYMS,
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TELLING US THAT BESTER WAS
CONNECTED TO SEVERAL POLITICIANS.
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I THINK NANDIPHA BELIEVED THAT.
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SHE ACTUALLY REALLY
BELIEVED THAT THIS GUY,
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AFTER SHE HAD FOUND OUT,
OBVIOUSLY, THAT HE'S IN JAIL,
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THAT THIS GUY HAD BEEN
WRONGFULLY ACCUSED AND SENTENCED.
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AND I BELIEVE THAT MADE IT
A SORT OF EXCITING FACTOR,
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YOU KNOW, SORT OF THABO
BESTER GLORIFYING HIMSELF,
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AS IF HE'S THE VICTIM HERE.
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I THINK HE REACHED OUT TO
NANDIPHA AS THE BUSINESSMAN.
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I THINK NANDIPHA WAS
JUST AN INSTRUMENT
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TO DO WHATEVER HE NEEDED TO DO
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TO MAKE MONEY AND
GET OUT OF JAIL.
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THE ROMANCE SCAMS
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HAVE CONNED PEOPLE OUT OF
TENS OF MILLIONS OF RANDS,
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NOT JUST IN SOUTH
AFRICA, BUT WORLDWIDE.
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AND IT'S BEEN
HAPPENING FOR DECADES.
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AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY START
LOOKING FOR A SPECIFIC VICTIMOLOGY,
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AND THEY GROOM HER. THEY LOOK
AT WHAT HER INTERESTS ARE.
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THEY LOOK FOR SOMETHING THAT
THE PERSON WOULD FIND IN COMMON.
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CHANCES ARE HE REALLY
STUDIED NANDIPHA
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AND DISCOVERED HER WEAKEST POINT
OR HER WEAKEST NEED AT THAT TIME.
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AND THEY SET THEM UP
OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.
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IT COULD BE THREE MONTHS,
IT COULD BE SIX MONTHS.
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AND THAT'S WHEN
THE FRAUD COMES IN.
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AND WE SEE THESE ROMANCE SCAMS
UNDER DIFFERENT GUISES ALL THE TIME.
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Guys, you have to
be so discerning
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when you are choosing to
follow somebody online
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and to believe the things
that they are saying.
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Guys, listen, one thing
about Instagram influencers,
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those people can lie.
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Stop idolising these
social media influencers
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and people that are famous,
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because you do not know what
they do behind closed doors.
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You've gotta ask yourselves
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the lifestyle that they live
on these social media apps.
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You do not know what they
do to fund those lifestyles.
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Everybody was so shocked about
the whole Dr Nandipha thing
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because they were like, "How can
somebody so beautiful," right?
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Because apparently being shady
and living a double lifestyle
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is only for, like,
bad-looking people.
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I MEAN, FOR A
WOMAN TO GO THROUGH
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WHATEVER EXTENT SHE
WENT THROUGH FOR A MAN,
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I GUESS SHE IS IN LOVE WITH HIM,
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OR IN LOVE WITH THE
WHOLE SCENARIO, MAYBE.
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IF I TELL YOU I'M AN EX-CONVICT
OR I HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD,
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YOU WILL THINK TWICE, RIGHT?
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SO I MUST GIVE YOU THE
IMAGINATION AND THE FAIRY TALE
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THAT'S GOING TO SELL
FOR ME TO GET YOU,
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AND FOR YOU TO BE FULLY
IMMERSED IN WHAT I AM OFFERING.
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AND THIS OPPORTUNITY,
THROUGH THABO'S INVOLVEMENT,
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EXPANDED THE IDEA OF WHAT
WEALTH COULD LOOK LIKE.
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THE IDEA OF BEING THE NEXT BIG
DOCTOR, THE IDEA OF MATERIAL GAIN.
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WITH HER BANKING PROFILE,
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WITH HER ACCESS TO
HIGH-PROFILE INDIVIDUALS,
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THE BANKS WOULDN'T QUESTION THE FACT
THAT, HER BEING AN ENTREPRENEUR,
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WOULD SUDDENLY HAVE LARGE AMOUNTS
OF MONIES COMING INTO HER ACCOUNTS,
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OR THE FACT THAT SHE WAS
OPENING NEW COMPANIES
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THAT SUDDENLY HAD LARGE
AMOUNTS OF MONEY COMING IN.
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THAT WOULD BE EXPECTED
OF AN ENTREPRENEUR,
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IT WOULD BE EXPECTED OF
SOMEBODY WHO'S AN INFLUENCER.
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AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT FRAUDSTERS,
THEY FIND SOMEBODY WHO HAVE A NETWORK
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OR A GROUP AROUND THEM THAT
THEY CAN NOW MANIPULATE,
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THAT THEY CAN HAVE ACCESS TO,
SO THAT THEY CAN MONETISE IT.
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AND SHE HAD ALL OF THAT. SO
IT WAS THE PERFECT MATCH.
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SO I THINK THEN THE DOWNFALL BECAME
NANDIPHA FALLING FOR THIS IMAGINATION
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OF WHATEVER THAT WAS
THEN PRESENTED TO HER.
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AS MUCH AS ONE CAN BELIEVE SHE
WAS GROOMED IN THE INITIAL STAGES,
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SHE BECAME FULLY
AWARE OF WHO HE WAS,
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AND THE PUBLIC NEEDS
TO ASK THEMSELVES,
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"WHAT WOULD YOU DO
IF YOU FOUND OUT
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THE PERSON THAT YOU'VE NOW HAD
AN ONLINE RELATIONSHIP WITH
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TURNED OUT TO BE
SOMEBODY THAT THE STATE
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AND THE PEOPLE AT LARGE
REGARDED AS A MONSTER?
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I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD
TRY DISTANCE THEMSELVES
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AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
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SO THERE IS A KNOWN
PHENOMENON IN THE WORLD
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WHERE WOMEN BECOME
INTERESTED IN MALE OFFENDERS,
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AND IT'S OFTEN VERY MUCH
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THE OFFENDERS THAT HAVE COMMITTED
PARTICULARLY VIOLENT CRIMES,
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USUALLY WHERE THEIR VICTIMS
WERE FEMALE AS WELL.
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I realised why women love
serial killers so much,
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and it's because it's the first
man we've ever seen who can plan.
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EVEN IN SOUTH AFRICA, WE'VE SEEN
WITH THE OSCAR PISTORIUS CASE,
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THERE WAS A HUGE
FEMALE FOLLOWING
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WHERE THEY JUST ARE
ADAMANTLY SUPPORTIVE OF HIM,
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DESPITE WHAT HE HAS DONE.
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ARE THESE WOMEN GENUINELY JUST
SEEING THE MAN BEHIND THE CRIME,
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00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:38,275
OR ARE THEY DRAWN TO THAT PERSON
BECAUSE THEY ARE THE PERPETRATOR?
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I put the rope over the seat,
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and then I put it around
his neck and I pulled tight.
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HARDLY EVER DO WE
SEE THESE WOMEN
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GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE THEY
ACTUALLY WANT TO BREAK THEM OUT...
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OR THEY'LL PLAY A ROLE IN THAT.
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Don't judge people!
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You are a person!
They are a person!
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I'm a person! We're all persons!
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So I found this website
called write a prisoner.com,
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and you can literally just, like,
browse through a load of inmates
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in prison all over the USA.
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What's up? My
name's Ryan. I'm 26.
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I'm looking forward to
meeting some of you all.
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SO HOW MANY PRISON
PEN PALS DO YOU HAVE?
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THREE OR FOUR.
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I ALREADY HAD AT MOST, LIKE,
ABOUT NINE OR TEN AT ONCE. YEAH.
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WELL ACTUALLY, MY SISTER WAS
WRITING PEOPLE IN PRISON,
267
00:17:26,519 --> 00:17:30,355
AND SO SHE JUST TALKED
VERY OPENLY ABOUT IT,
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AND SHE TALKED ABOUT THE
US CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.
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AND THAT'S HOW I KINDA GOT, YOU KNOW,
MYSELF INTO IT, INTERESTED IN IT,
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AND I GOT A PASSION FOR IT.
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I WAS AGAINST THE DEATH PENALTY, SO I
WROTE TO SOMEONE WHO WAS ON DEATH ROW
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BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ONLY THING
THAT I COULD DO TO "HELP".
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I THOUGHT I MIGHT BECOME
FRIENDS WITH SOMEONE,
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I MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP SOMEONE.
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AND AT THE TIME, I MEAN,
I WAS LIVING IN FRANCE,
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AND I THOUGHT, "AND IT'S A
GOOD WAY TO IMPROVE MY ENGLISH,
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SO LET'S GO FOR IT!"
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SO MY VERY FIRST PEN
PAL, WHEN I WROTE TO HIM,
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I ACTUALLY DID NOT
KNOW HIS CRIME.
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I JUST KNEW BECAUSE YOU'RE ON DEATH
ROW, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S A MURDER
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AND SOMETHING ELSE ADDED TO
IT. BUT I REALLY HAD NO CLUE.
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00:18:16,559 --> 00:18:21,156
AND I FOUND OUT SEVEN YEARS LATER
WHEN I DECIDED TO GOOGLE HIM.
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IN THIS CASE, IT WAS
RAPES AND MURDERS, PLURAL.
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SO THAT WAS...
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IT WAS HARD TO RECONNECT THE
PERSON THAT I KNEW WITH THE CRIMES.
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IT WAS SCARY, BUT MY INTENT IS TO
SUPPORT SOMEONE WHO IS ON DEATH ROW,
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WHETHER THEY ARE
INNOCENT OR GUILTY.
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SO IT WAS IMPORTANT
FOR ME TO GO ON.
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I SPECIFICALLY
LOOKED FOR SOMEONE
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WHO HAD A
LIFE-WITHOUT-PAROLE SENTENCE,
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AND WHO HAD BEEN INCARCERATED
SINCE THE AGE OF 18.
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THAT MUST BE SO AWFUL,
THAT YOU ARE 18 YEARS OLD,
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AND WE'RE TELLING YOU THAT
YOU'RE GONNA DIE IN PRISON.
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I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO
WRITE SOMEONE IN PRISON
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TO BRING THEM SOMETHING,
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00:19:07,559 --> 00:19:10,755
AND I REALISED THAT IT'S
A WIN-WIN SITUATION.
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LIKE, THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO
BENEFIT FROM IT, BUT I DID TOO.
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AND I LEARNED SO MUCH ABOUT
THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM,
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00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,196
AND ABOUT WHAT IS
GOING ON IN OUR PRISON.
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00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,236
AND WHEN DID YOU
START TO REALISE
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THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY
AN ACTIVISM INVOLVED?
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BY WRITING SOMEONE IN PRISON...
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BY WRITING SOMEONE IN PRISON,
I FEEL LIKE YOU LEARN A LOT.
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I'VE LEARNT SO MUCH.
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00:19:34,599 --> 00:19:38,436
AND I MET SIGRID ALONG THE WAY WHO
WAS ALSO WRITING PEOPLE IN PRISON.
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IT WAS IN 2014, AND
WE BECAME FRIENDS.
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AND IN 2019, I FEEL LIKE
WE WERE BOTH READY TO
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YOU KNOW, TO PLAY A BIGGER ROLE.
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AND THAT'S WHEN WE DECIDED
TO CREATE WIRE OF HOPE.
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So you can scroll and browse
the profiles on our site...
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Click their picture to
open their profile...
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and find someone that you
would like to write to
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that you think you
could connect with.
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We believe people are more than
the worst action of their life.
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COMMUNITY GIVES US A SENSE OF
BELONGING AND A SENSE OF BEHAVIOUR.
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A COMMUNITY BECOMES A PLACE OF
BELONGING AND IS A PLACE OF FIXING.
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THERE'S A SAYING IN ISIXHOSA,
"UMUNTU ULUNGISWA NGABANTU."
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THAT IS, WHEN SOMEONE DOES
WRONG, PARTICULARLY A CHILD,
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I CAN DISCIPLINE THAT CHILD.
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I DON'T NEED, NECESSARILY,
TO BE A BIOLOGICAL PARENT
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OR A BIOLOGICAL
AUNT OR A RELATIVE.
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I CAN TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY
OF CORRECTING THAT BEHAVIOUR
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00:20:40,519 --> 00:20:42,396
AND HELPING THIS CHILD
TO BECOME BETTER.
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WHEREAS ON THE
OTHER SPECTRUM IS,
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"I'll OPERATE IN MY WORLD
AND DO AS I PLEASE."
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'Cause 95 percent of the
people currently incarcerated
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are going to be
released eventually.
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That means that whether we like it
or not, those men and those women
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are going to be living in our
communities at some point.
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FOR SOME PEOPLE, IT'S REALLY
HARD TO WRAP THEIR MIND AROUND,
331
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,035
"HOW CAN YOU REACH OUT TO
SOMEONE WHO COMMITTED A CRIME?
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WHAT ABOUT THE VICTIMS? WE
NEED TO HELP THE VICTIMS."
333
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,636
YES, WE DO, OF COURSE.
BUT WE CAN DO BOTH.
334
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A letter is a lifeline,
335
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,075
and it can mean the world
for someone incarcerated.
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We are here to give you the keys
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to the best and safest
experience possible.
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IT HAPPENS THAT
PEOPLE DO FALL IN LOVE
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AFTER BEING SIMPLE PEN
PALS TO BEGIN WITH.
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WE THEN SEE THE
TRUE DESCRIPTION
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OF UNCONDITIONAL POSITIVE
REGARD AND UNCONDITIONAL LOVE,
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00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:41,916
THAT WHEN THIS PERSON COMES OUT, THIS
PERSON WILL COME OUT AS A BETTER MAN.
343
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,476
YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE
DAY, I'M GONNA BE TELLING YOU,
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"DO YOU!" LIKE, IF THAT'S
WHAT YOU WANNA DO, GO FOR IT.
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JUST BE CAREFUL."
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- This is your man?
- Yes.
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Look at the screen.
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Mm.. That's mine.
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And I'm gonna stick beside him.
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00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:00,716
And that's what you're
gonna settle for?
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I'm gonna stick beside him.
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00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,196
THABO BESTER'S STORY
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IS DEFINITELY GIVING A BAD
NAME TO PROGRAMMES LIKE US,
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00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,956
BECAUSE THEN PEOPLE
ASSOCIATE IT.
355
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,035
THEY'RE LIKE, "OH PEOPLE
IN PRISON ARE BAD,"
356
00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:14,555
AND THEY MANIPULATE
PEOPLE ON THE OUTSIDE,
357
00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:18,315
AND THOSE WEBSITES ARE
JUST HELPING THAT HAPPEN,
358
00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:20,956
WHEN THIS IS NOT WHAT
WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
359
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,196
IT CAN BE AN EXPLOSIVE SITUATION
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00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,156
WHEN YOU HAVE A PERSON WHO IS
ONLY LOOKING AT USING AND ABUSING,
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00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:32,319
AND A PERSON WHO IS ONLY LOOKING AT
GIVING, YOU KNOW, AND BEING LOVING.
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00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,835
SO WHEN DID THINGS
START TO FALL APART
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- BETWEEN HER AND HER HUSBAND?
- UM.. I WOULDN'T HAVE A TIMELINE
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BECAUSE I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW
THAT THINGS WERE FALLING APART,
365
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,996
IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
366
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,795
EVEN THOUGH SHE IS A LOVING
PERSON, DON'T GET ME WRONG,
367
00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:56,676
BUT TO GET HER TO TALK ABOUT
HER FEELINGS AND EMOTIONS,
368
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,835
THAT'S NOT NANDIPHA. YEAH.
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Happy new month to you all.
370
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I think we all go
through challenges,
371
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:10,436
and some of us have had
incredible challenges to overcome,
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especially during the pandemic.
373
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COVID HIT ME.
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AS FREELANCERS,
"NO WORK, NO PAY",
375
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,636
AND MY WIFE WAS
UNEMPLOYED AT THAT TIME.
376
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,315
SO WE MOVED INTO THE COTTAGE
AT THE HYDE PARK MANSION
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WHILE THE RENOVATIONS
ARE TAKING PLACE.
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It's separate from
the main house.
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00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,559
AND WE SORT OF BECAME AN
EXTRA EYE ON THE CONSTRUCTION.
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00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,355
EVERYTHING WAS BRAND NEW IN
THAT MANSION. EVERYTHING.
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00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:52,196
THEY TOOK DOWN THE CHANDELIERS,
PUT NEW ONES, REDID THE KITCHEN,
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REDID THE FLOOR, REDID THE
STAIRS, REDID THE CEILING.
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00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,595
LIKE, IT WAS MADE
TOTALLY BRAND NEW.
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Tennis court...
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00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,835
NANDIPHA HAD EXPLAINED THAT
SHE HAD BOUGHT THE MANSION
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AS PART OF THE ARUM PROPERTY
BUSINESS WITH TK NKWANA.
387
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,876
AND TK NKWANA WASN'T REALLY
AWARE THAT WE ARE LIVING THERE.
388
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,519
AT THIS STAGE, I'D JUST FOUND
OUT THAT HE WAS THABO BESTER...
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00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:28,156
AND HE DIDN'T DENY THAT HE WAS
THABO BESTER AFTER I'VE CAUGHT HIM.
390
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,035
HE DIDN'T DENY IT. HE SAID, "JA,
SO? WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT?"
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TYPE OF MENTALITY.
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00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,436
AND THEN THAT'S WHEN I GOT, LIKE,
A REAL SENSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING.
393
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:45,115
AND NANDIPHA CALLS MY WIFE AND
SAYS, ", TAKE THE KIDS AND LEAVE."
394
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:46,755
AND THIS IS LIKE IN MAY.
395
00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:49,956
IT'S WINTER IN JOBURG IN MAY,
AND WE'VE GOT NOWHERE TO GO.
396
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,236
AND I ASKED NANDIPHA,
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00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,555
"CAN'T YOU GIVE US AT LEAST UNTIL
END OF THE MONTH SO WE FIND A PLACE?"
398
00:24:55,559 --> 00:24:58,916
AND NANDIPHA WAS LIKE,
"NO, TK HAS SPOKEN.
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00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:04,916
AND HE DOESN'T WANT YOU HERE. HE
WANTS YOU TO MAKE ROOM FOR ZANDA.
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00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,916
ZANDA MOYO, THE GARDEN
WORKER, CARETAKER GUY.
401
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,555
YOU NEED TO MAKE SPACE FOR HIM."
402
00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:13,799
NANDIPHA WAS LIKE,
"YOU HAVE TO LEAVE."
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00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,075
THE FOLLOWING MORNING,
AFTER WE GOT KICKED OUT,
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00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:21,079
THAT'S WHEN I WROTE
THE FACEBOOK POST.
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00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,236
MY LAWYER SAW IT
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00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,996
AND HE WAS VERY ANGRY,
TOLD ME TO GET IT DOWN,
407
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,476
SO I TOOK IT DOWN, BUT SOMEONE
HAD ALREADY SCREEN-GRABBED IT,
408
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,599
AND NANDIPHA WAS
VERY UPSET ABOUT IT.
409
00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:40,319
AND SHE SUED ME.
410
00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:47,515
HENCE I WENT THROUGH COURT FOR
A WHOLE YEAR FOR DEFAMATION.
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00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:50,355
IT IS AMAZING THAT THABO BESTER
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WAS EVEN ABLE TO USE THE SOUTH
AFRICAN COURT OF LAW FOR HIS LIES,
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00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,236
YOU KNOW, TO DEFEND HIS LIES.
414
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,595
IT SHOWS HOW MUCH...
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HOW MUCH HE THOUGHT HE HAD
INFLUENCE ON AUTHORITY.
416
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:12,355
THE FAMILY FELT FOR ME AND THEY SPOKE
TO NANDIPHA TO WITHDRAW THE CASE.
417
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,555
MY MOTHER HAD TO BEG HER, AND
NANDIPHA WITHDREW THE CASE.
418
00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:20,396
BUT THEN THE NPA DIDN'T
WANNA DROP THE CASE.
419
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:25,236
EVENTUALLY, BECAUSE NANDIPHA WOULDN'T
COME TO COURT TO BE A WITNESS,
420
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:30,156
THE MAGISTRATE FELT LIKE THEY'RE
WASTING HIS TIME AND MY TIME,
421
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,039
AND HE WITHDREW THE CASE.
422
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,359
I THINK I TOLD EVERYONE IN
THE FAMILY IT'S THABO BESTER.
423
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,519
BUT NO ONE LISTENED
TO ME, AND...
424
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,555
DEFINITELY THE STORY IN
EVERYONE'S HEAD IN THE FAMILY WAS,
425
00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:49,676
"NATHI'S JEALOUS THAT HE HAS
NEVER REACHED THIS TYPE OF SUCCESS
426
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,279
AND PROBABLY WILL NEVER."
427
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,115
SO IT WAS JUST A "ME" THING,
428
00:26:55,119 --> 00:27:00,160
AND A BITTER PERSON TRYING
TO DENT NANDIPHA'S IMAGE.
429
00:27:01,079 --> 00:27:06,236
WAS HE REALLY JUST WANTING TO
MAKE SURE HIS SISTER WAS SAFE?
430
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,676
OR WAS HE THINKING,
431
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:13,236
"MAYBE IF I PUBLICLY VOICE MY
KNOWLEDGE OF THIS SITUATION,
432
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,759
I'll BE OFFERED SOME
MONEY NOT TO TALK"?
433
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,795
Nandipha Magudumana's
brother says
434
00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:31,555
he can't remember exactly how
he asked his sister for money.
435
00:27:31,559 --> 00:27:33,075
Nathi, I just want to clarify,
436
00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:36,916
do you dispute that you were
extorting your sister for money
437
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,039
to keep this a secret?
438
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,196
Like I said, I was intoxicated
439
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,436
and I don't even
remember what I was doing
440
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,960
'cause of the emotions
I was going through.
441
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,279
TO ME, IT WAS ABOUT
JUSTICE, FAIRNESS...
442
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:59,636
ABOUT SAVING MY SISTER, AND
ESPECIALLY ABOUT SAVING HER KIDS,
443
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,240
HER TWO LITTLE DAUGHTERS.
444
00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:09,835
Brace yourself.
445
00:28:09,839 --> 00:28:12,196
Today, the Health Professions
Council of South Africa
446
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,876
stated that Dr
Nandipha Magudumana
447
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,676
is actually not a
registered doctor currently.
448
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,996
...because she failed
to pay annual fees.
449
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,315
Now, the medical watchdog says
those fees were due in April 2021.
450
00:28:24,319 --> 00:28:27,676
WE KNOW, AT THIS POINT, THEY
WERE RUNNING OTHER BUSINESSES.
451
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,636
ARUM PROPERTIES, WHAT WE NOW KNOW IS
A FRAUDULENT CONSTRUCTION COMPANY.
452
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,636
THERE WERE MEDIA COMPANIES
THAT WERE BEING RUN AS WELL.
453
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,555
SO IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT
HER ATTENTION WAS DRAWN
454
00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:42,400
COMPLETELY AWAY FROM HER
CAREER AS A MEDICAL DOCTOR.
455
00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:51,835
IT COULD ALSO BE PURE ARROGANCE.
456
00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:57,515
WE'VE SEEN QUITE A LOT OF
THE-RULES-DON'T-APPLY-TO-ME BEHAVIOUR
457
00:28:57,519 --> 00:28:59,319
FROM DR MAGUDUMANA.
458
00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:03,835
SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO
REMEMBER ABOUT THIS WHOLE PERIOD
459
00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:08,196
WHERE DR MAGUDUMANA WAS
ENGAGING WITH THABO BESTER,
460
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:13,275
SHE WAS ESSENTIALLY SOCCER-MOMMING
AND DOCTORING DURING THE WEEK,
461
00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:15,876
AND PERHAPS ON WEEKENDS
462
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,240
VISITING A CONVICTED SERIAL
RAPIST AND MURDERER IN PRISON.
463
00:29:21,319 --> 00:29:25,436
I DID KNOW THAT NANDIPHA WOULD
GO ON HOLIDAYS IN BLOEMFONTEIN,
464
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,396
BUT TO ME IT WAS MIND-BOGGLING,
BECAUSE WHAT'S IN BLOEMFONTEIN?
465
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,555
SHE'S THE TYPE OF PERSON
WHO WOULD GO TO BALI,
466
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:34,795
OR IF IT'S IN SOUTH AFRICA, SHE'D
BE IN ZIMBALI OR IN CAMPS BAY.
467
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:40,396
WHEN I PUT THE DOTS TOGETHER, BESTER
WAS INCARCERATED IN BLOEMFONTEIN.
468
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,956
IT NOW MAKES SENSE WHY SHE
WOULD GO TO BLOEMFONTEIN,
469
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,359
EVEN BOOK A HOTEL FOR
THE KIDS IN BLOEMFONTEIN.
470
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,075
THERE'S REPORTS OF AN INVOICE
471
00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:54,115
FROM TREDENHAM BOUTIQUE
HOTEL IN BLOEMFONTEIN,
472
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:56,035
NOT TOO FAR FROM THE PRISON.
473
00:29:56,039 --> 00:29:58,755
THE BOOKING WAS IN
THE NAME OF TK NKWANA,
474
00:29:58,759 --> 00:30:02,355
AND THE DATE OF THE BOOKING WAS
TWO MONTHS BEFORE THE ESCAPE.
475
00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:05,035
SO IT APPEARS, JUST
BY LOOKING AT THAT,
476
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:09,595
THAT THABO BESTER POSING AS TK
NKWANA, STAYED AT THAT HOTEL.
477
00:30:09,599 --> 00:30:15,720
WE STARTED INVESTIGATING IT AND WE
TRIED OUR BEST TO VERIFY THAT THEORY.
478
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:22,315
I THINK IT WOULD BE PREMATURE
TO SAY WITH CERTAINTY,
479
00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:25,480
THAT BESTER HAD WEEKENDS
AWAY WITH MAGUDUMANA.
480
00:30:31,519 --> 00:30:33,196
THE PERSONA OF THABO BESTER
481
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,636
HAS BEEN BUILT UP AND PADDED
WITH A LOT OF MYTH-MAKING,
482
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,755
WHEREAS A LOT OF THOSE
MYTHS ARE NOT TRUE.
483
00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:44,595
WE SPOKE TO PRISON
WARDENS AT THE PRISON
484
00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:46,555
WHO SAID IT'S NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE.
485
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:48,315
SO THERE'S VERY LITTLE EVIDENCE
486
00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:51,640
THAT BESTER WAS ACTUALLY
ALLOWED OUT OF THE PRISON.
487
00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:05,795
"In the days leading up to
the Easter weekend, 2022",
488
00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:08,636
celebrity doctor,
Nandipha Magudumana,
489
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,035
arrived in Bloemfontein.
490
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:13,476
On Wednesday, the 13th of April,
491
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,400
Nandipha checks in at The
Tredenham Boutique Hotel.
492
00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:21,599
"She'd booked online
using the name TK Nkwana."
493
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:24,436
WE KNOW THAT SHE CHECKED IN
494
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,396
BECAUSE SHE USED HER ID
DOCUMENT AT THE CHECK-IN COUNTER
495
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,595
AND THEY TOOK A COPY OF IT.
496
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:33,355
"She claims the body
of an unidentified man"
497
00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:36,000
at the government
mortuary in Bloemfontein.
498
00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:41,115
A burial was held at a
cemetery in Bloemfontein,
499
00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:42,876
but the coffin with the body
500
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,799
"was swapped for one
filled with boerewors."
501
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,035
POLICE SAY THAT MAGUDUMANA'S
CAR WAS SPOTTED AT THE CEMETERY
502
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:54,876
WHEN THIS BURIAL TOOK PLACE.
503
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,115
HOW MUCH BOEREWORS
WOULD YOU HAVE TO BUY
504
00:31:57,119 --> 00:32:01,196
FOR IT TO BE THE AMOUNT FOR A
BODY, AND HOW MUCH WOULD THAT COST?
505
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,476
YES. ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT MEAT
IS SO EXPENSIVE IN SOUTH AFRICA.
506
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:10,795
IT RAISES QUESTIONS AS TO HOW MUCH
MONEY THEY SPENT BUYING BOEREWORS,
507
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:13,515
AND HOW MUCH BOEREWORS WAS USED,
508
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:17,519
SO THAT IT COULD ACTUALLY SEEM AS IF
IT WAS AN ACTUAL BODY IN THAT COFFIN.
509
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:28,319
EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE DONE IS
THIS FLASHY DISPLAY OF THEIR WEALTH.
510
00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:31,795
"On several occasions
over the next few days,
511
00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:35,795
the CCTV cameras in the
prison's Broadway section
512
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:38,476
stop recording periodically.
513
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,996
Was this a failed attempt?"
514
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,676
WE HAVE REASON TO
BELIEVE THAT THAT BODY
515
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,075
WOULD'VE BEEN USED IN
PLANS FOR BESTER TO ESCAPE.
516
00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:50,795
BUT SOMETHING WENT WRONG AND THAT'S
HOW THE BODY ENDED UP BEING DUMPED
517
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:52,555
IN A RIVER NEAR BLOEMFONTEIN.
518
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:54,636
"The body was
discovered by police,
519
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,359
still with its morgue
identification tag attached."
520
00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:05,476
THEN, ABOUT 20 DAYS AFTER
CLAIMING THE FIRST BODY,
521
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,035
SHE CLAIMED A SECOND BODY,
522
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:10,315
THIS TIME FROM THE NATIONAL
HOSPITAL IN BLOEMFONTEIN.
523
00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:11,716
"She told officials
524
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,996
that the body belongs to the
brother of her friend, Zanda Moyo.
525
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,839
This friend is
also her gardener.
526
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:25,075
"Again, she conducts a
funeral, swapping the body..."
527
00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:28,436
WITH THREE 10KG
BAGS OF MAIZE MEAL.
528
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,440
IT SEEMS THAT THIS BODY WAS
DESTINED FOR MANGAUNG PRISON.
529
00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:39,476
IT SEEMED AS IF NOBODY HAD
CLAIMED THESE BODIES FOR A WHILE.
530
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,236
IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SHE
HAD INSIDE INFORMATION
531
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,636
AND KNEW EXACTLY WHICH
BODIES SHE HAD TO CLAIM.
532
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,396
There's no explanation as to how
this woman is claiming bodies
533
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,396
that have no relation to her,
from hospitals and morgues,
534
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,759
unless she's already
dealing in human parts.
535
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,716
ARE THE THINGS THAT
HAVE HAPPENED HERE,
536
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,876
THE CLAIMING OF BODIES
IN THE DOCTOR'S NAME
537
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,555
FOR THE DUMPING IN THE RIVER,
538
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:05,000
IS THAT BREAKING THE
DOCTOR'S MORAL CODE?
539
00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:07,680
IT IS A NOBLE PROFESSION...
540
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,675
AND THAT'S WHAT WE TEACH THE JUNIOR
DOCTORS EVERY DAY.. EVERY DAY,
541
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:16,555
BECAUSE THE MINUTE THAT
SOMEBODY COMES TO YOU FOR HELP,
542
00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:19,956
ALREADY THEY HAVE
SUBJECTED THEMSELVES TO YOU
543
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,916
TO MAKE DECISIONS ON THEIR
BEHALF, OR WITH THEM.
544
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,715
SO IF YOU ARE TO HOLD THAT
MUCH POWER OR AUTHORITY
545
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:32,195
OVER ANOTHER HUMAN BEING, IT REQUIRES
A CERTAIN LEVEL OF INTEGRITY.
546
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:38,155
JUST UBUNTU. YOU MUST BE ABLE
TO SEE THE OTHER IN THE LIGHT
547
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,436
THAT YOU WANT TO BE SEEN IN.
548
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,715
TO CLAIM A BODY THAT IS NOT
YOUR NEXT-OF-KIN AND DUMP IT,
549
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,039
IS BREAKING ALL OF THOSE CODES?
550
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,876
A MORE SERIOUS ONE
IS, THE HUMAN REMAINS
551
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,515
ARE GOVERNED IN A VERY SPECIFIC
WAY THAT IS DETAILED BY LAW
552
00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:02,956
IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE RIGHT
OF THE DECEASED AND THE FAMILY.
553
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,396
BE IT BLOOD THAT HAS BEEN
TAKEN FOR LABORATORY TESTING,
554
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,639
BE IT A LIMB THAT HAS BEEN
AMPUTATED, BE IT A STILLBORN...
555
00:35:11,559 --> 00:35:13,796
SO IN IT,
556
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:19,195
I DON'T THINK DISPOSING OF A
BODY IN AN UNCONVENTIONAL WAY
557
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:20,715
WILL BE LOOKED AT
IN A GOOD LIGHT.
558
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,155
A PERSON IS STILL A HUMAN BEING,
559
00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:25,599
WHETHER THEY HAVE GOT
A HEARTBEAT OR NOT.
560
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:29,476
WITH HOW THINGS HAVE UNFOLDED,
561
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:34,555
I THINK SHE DOES PRESENT WITH TRAITS
OF ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITY DISORDER,
562
00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:36,675
AND I THINK IN THIS CASE,
563
00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:42,115
THERE'S BEEN A DISREGARD OF
NORMS, THERE'S BEEN IMPULSIVITY.
564
00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:47,715
IT CALLS FOR A DEEPER
ANALYSIS AND EXAMINATION OF,
565
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,476
"WHAT WAS HER MENTAL
STATE AT THE TIME?"
566
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:56,396
AND IF SHE WAS WELL IN TERMS OF HOW
SHE CAN THINK AND PROCESS THINGS,
567
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,916
THEN WE ARE PRIVY TO
NANDIPHA'S DARK SIDE
568
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,796
OF KNOWING THAT SHE
CAN BE THAT COLD.
569
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,515
YOU CANNOT FORGET THAT THIS
WAS AN ORGANISED CRIME.
570
00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:09,916
THEY NEEDED A LOT OF MONEY
TO PAY A LOT OF PEOPLE
571
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,075
IN THE ECOSYSTEM
THAT WAS INVOLVED.
572
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:13,436
IT WAS A WHOLE CHAIN,
573
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,155
AND THE EVENTS HAD TO TAKE
PLACE IN A SPECIFIC MANNER.
574
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:18,115
THEY HAD TO HAVE BODIES.
575
00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:20,155
THEY HAD TO HAVE SAFE HOUSES,
576
00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:21,756
THEY HAD TO HAVE VEHICLES.
577
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,396
THEY HAD TO HAVE IDENTITY
DOCUMENTS AND PASSPORTS.
578
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,796
AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
A MAXIMUM SECURITY PRISON,
579
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,715
THE PRICE JUST GETS
EXPONENTIALLY HIGHER.
580
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,276
FOR THEM TO HAVE RAISED
TENS OF MILLIONS,
581
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,916
MAYBE EVEN HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS
OF RANDS IS NOT THAT UNLIKELY.
582
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,195
THEY WOULD'VE NEEDED
TO FEEL COMFORTABLE
583
00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:43,756
THAT THEY HAD A SIGNIFICANT
AMOUNT OF MONEY IN RESERVE.
584
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,356
YOU ALSO NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT
WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH CRIMINALS,
585
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,235
YOU KNOW THEY COULD TURN
ON YOU AT ANY MOMENT,
586
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,715
AND CHANCES ARE PEOPLE WOULD
BLACKMAIL THEM OR EXTORT THEM
587
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,675
BECAUSE THEY KNEW
THAT HE HAD ESCAPED.
588
00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:58,316
SO GETTING INVOLVED IN THE UNDERWORLD
FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF NANDIPHA
589
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,920
MUST'VE BEEN EXCITING FOR HER.
590
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,876
THE WAY IN WHICH THE
UNDERWORLD CONDUCTS THEMSELVES,
591
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,756
THEY'RE EXCEPTIONALLY CHARMING.
592
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:11,035
THEY TEND TO LIFT YOU UP
IN TERMS OF WHO YOU ARE,
593
00:37:11,039 --> 00:37:14,035
BECAUSE THEY'RE PLAYING TO YOU.
THEY'RE UNDERSTANDING YOUR DESIRES,
594
00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:16,675
THEY'RE UNDERSTANDING YOUR
NEEDS, AND THEY PLAYING TO THAT.
595
00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:21,035
THEIR VICTIMS DON'T REALISE THAT
THEY'VE LET THE CON ARTISTS KNOW
596
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:22,876
EXACTLY WHAT IT IS
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
597
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,515
More shocking evidence
has come to light
598
00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:27,159
regarding Nandipha's
involvement in the whole affair.
599
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,675
THE BODY WAS ALLEGEDLY
PUT INTO BESTER'S CELL
600
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:34,195
AND BURNED BEYOND RECOGNITION,
601
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:36,996
MAKING IT SEEM THAT BESTER
HAD COMMITTED SUICIDE.
602
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,840
BUT MEANWHILE,
BESTER HAD ESCAPED.
603
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,876
AROUND THE 5TH OF MAY, MAGUDUMANA
AND HER FATHER, ZOLILE SEKELENI,
604
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,675
WENT TO THE FREE STATE MORGUE.
605
00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:52,195
THEY TOLD THE
OFFICIALS AT THE MORGUE
606
00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:53,876
THEY WERE THERE TO
COLLECT BESTER'S BODY.
607
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,796
MAGUDUMANA SAID THAT SHE
WAS ON HIS CONTACT LIST.
608
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,320
SO MAGUDUMANA TOOK THE BODY FROM
BLOEMFONTEIN TO A MORGUE IN SOWETO.
609
00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:05,836
POLICE REALISED TWO THINGS.
610
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,715
ONE, THEY HAD THE
AUTOPSY RESULTS
611
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,235
WHICH SHOWED THAT THE BODY WAS
DEAD BEFORE THE FIRE BROKE OUT.
612
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:15,515
AND, TWO, THEY SAW THIS
WAS NOT THE FIRST BODY
613
00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:19,035
THAT MAGUDUMANA HAD
CLAIMED IN RECENT WEEKS.
614
00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:22,756
THERE WERE PLANS MADE TO SEND
THAT BODY TO A CREMATORIUM,
615
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,195
WHICH WOULD MAKE SENSE
616
00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:29,276
BECAUSE NOTHING WOULD TRACE THAT
BODY BACK TO HER IN ANY POSSIBLE WAY.
617
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,715
SO I THINK THAT THAT'S WHY
618
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,159
SHE WANTED TO GET THAT BODY
BACK WITH SO MUCH URGENCY.
619
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,675
WHEN MAGUDUMANA'S
FATHER, ZOLILE SEKELENI,
620
00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:44,035
AND AN ASSISTANT WENT TO COLLECT
THE BODY FROM THE MORGUE IN SOWETO,
621
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:46,195
THEY WERE STOPPED BY POLICE.
622
00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:48,195
MAGUDUMANA THEN
CALLED HER LAWYER,
623
00:38:48,199 --> 00:38:51,996
AND THE TWO DECIDED TO LAUNCH
A HIGH COURT APPLICATION.
624
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,996
AND WE SENT ONE OF OUR REPORTERS
TO VISIT THE HIGH COURT
625
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,515
TO TRY AND ACCESS THOSE PAPERS.
626
00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:01,675
AND HE SPENT NEARLY
THE ENTIRE DAY
627
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:04,436
TRYING TO GET HOLD
OF THESE DOCUMENTS.
628
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,515
I JUST STARTED READING
THROUGH WHAT NANDIPHA SAID.
629
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:12,756
"INDEED, ON THE 6TH OF MAY, 2022,
I BOOKED A FLIGHT TO BLOEMFONTEIN
630
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,155
TO FIND OUT WHAT
HAPPENED TO THE DECEASED
631
00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:18,356
AND ALSO TO COLLECT
HIS MORTAL REMAINS.
632
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,956
ON ARRIVAL IN BLOEMFONTEIN,
633
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:25,360
"I HAD TO FILL IN A NUMBER OF
DOCUMENTS AS MARKED 'ANNEXURE VM4'."
634
00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:29,595
IT WAS SO STRANGE
TO EVEN THINK THAT
635
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:33,316
SHE COULD POSSIBLY BE
INVOLVED WITH THABO BESTER.
636
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,476
IT WAS NOT ADDING UP WHATSOEVER.
637
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,480
I STILL FIND IT DIFFICULT
TO BELIEVE THIS WHOLE THING.
638
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,316
IN HER AFFIDAVIT, SHE
SAID THAT THEY MET IN 2006
639
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,555
WHILE SHE WAS STUDYING
AT WITS UNIVERSITY,
640
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:54,996
AND THAT THE FOLLOWING YEAR HE
WENT TO CAPE TOWN TO STUDY AT UCT.
641
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,476
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY NOT TRUE, BECAUSE
THABO BESTER NEVER WENT TO UNIVERSITY
642
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:00,996
AND IN FACT, HE
DROPPED OUT OF SCHOOL.
643
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,276
IT WAS PUBLISHED IN
SEVERAL MEDIA OUTLETS.
644
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,396
How Dr Nandipha Magudumana
met Thabo Bester...
645
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,276
Who is Dr Nandipha,
646
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,555
and how did she end up being the
Bonnie to Thabo Bester's Clyde?
647
00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:16,876
She met Thabo Bester while she
was studying at WITS University.
648
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,436
PEOPLE EVENTUALLY STARTED THINKING
THAT THIS MUST BE THE TRUTH,
649
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,876
BECAUSE IT DIDN'T SOURCE
NANDIPHA'S AFFIDAVIT
650
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,555
AS WHERE THE INFORMATION
WAS SOURCED FROM.
651
00:40:26,559 --> 00:40:29,035
AS THE DETAILS CAME OUT,
652
00:40:29,039 --> 00:40:34,075
WE REALISED HOW RECKLESS
THE WHOLE ESCAPE PLOT WAS,
653
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:38,035
AND DEFINITELY HOLLYWOODESQUE.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT PYROTECHNICS,
654
00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:40,476
YOU'VE GOT COSTUMES,
YOU'VE GOT FAKE BODIES.
655
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,115
IT'S LIKE A MOVIE
UNTIL IT'S A MOVIE,
656
00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:44,235
AND THEN IT'S NOT
LIKE A MOVIE ANYMORE.
657
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,956
THIS ENTIRE SAGA STARTED FEELING
LIKE A TRUE CRIME PODCAST
658
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,559
THAT WE WERE LIVING IN.
659
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,436
GIVEN THE GRAVITY OF THE
STORY AND THE NATURE OF IT,
660
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,155
I COULD TELL FROM THE BEGINNING
661
00:40:56,159 --> 00:41:01,635
THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO
ONLY PUT ON MY INVESTIGATIVE HAT
662
00:41:01,639 --> 00:41:06,195
ONCE I ENTERED THE OFFICE, JUST
TO STRIKE SOME SORT OF A BALANCE,
663
00:41:06,199 --> 00:41:09,075
BECAUSE I COULD TELL THAT IT
WAS GOING TO AFFECT THINGS
664
00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:14,155
LIKE MY SLEEPING PATTERNS
AND JUST MY DAILY OPERATIONS.
665
00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:16,996
I WAS ABLE TO STOP THE
STORY FROM CONSUMING ME
666
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,115
JUST BY DECIDING
FROM THE BEGINNING
667
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:23,356
THAT I'M ONLY GOING TO DEAL
WITH ANYTHING BESTER-RELATED
668
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,075
WHEN I'M IN THE OFFICE.
669
00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:27,635
AND DID DANIEL HAVE THE
SAME KIND OF BOUNDARIES?
670
00:41:27,639 --> 00:41:30,035
DID HE MANAGE TO
DO THE SAME THING?
671
00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:34,195
YOU MUST SPEAK TO HIM BECAUSE I
THINK HE'LL GIVE YOU A WHOLE PIECE.
672
00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:36,195
'CAUSE HE.. YEAH, NO.
673
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:41,956
FOR HIM, IT WAS BESTER IN
THE MORNING, IN THE EVENING.
674
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,760
AND I DO REMEMBER THAT HE WAS
GETTING VERY LITTLE SLEEP.
675
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:48,756
THE STORY CONSUMED MY ENTIRE
LIFE, EVEN MY PERSONAL LIFE,
676
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,235
AND I WAS PERFECTLY HAPPY FOR THAT
BECAUSE IT WAS FUN AND EXCITING.
677
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,155
BUT IT ALL FELT A BIT
OVERWHELMING, ACTUALLY.
678
00:41:56,159 --> 00:41:59,756
DID YOU EVER, AND DO YOU
EVER, GET BESTER FATIGUE?
679
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,760
MM. I'VE GOT
BESTER-FATIGUE RIGHT NOW.
680
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:05,876
I DO KNOW THAT
TOWARDS THE END,
681
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,756
HE DID START SETTING SOME
BOUNDARIES FOR HIMSELF.
682
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:15,195
SO I BELONG TO A GROUP OF
MUSICIANS WHO PLAY IRISH MUSIC.
683
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,756
AND THAT ROUTINE OF
PLAYING EVERY WEEK
684
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:29,039
HELPED ME TO JUST LET THOUGHTS
COME AND GO AND TO PROCESS...
685
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,436
AND IT'S VERY RELAXING.
686
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,635
FROM QUITE EARLY
AFTER THE ESCAPE,
687
00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:48,035
THEY SEEMED TO BE LIVING QUITE A
LUXURIOUS, RELATIVELY PUBLIC LIFE.
688
00:42:48,039 --> 00:42:53,155
THERE ARE REPORTS THAT THEY DROVE
AROUND IN PORSCHES AND ROLLS ROYCES,
689
00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:57,836
THAT BESTER TREATED HIMSELF TO
DESIGNER CLOTHES AND WATCHES.
690
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,316
MAGUDUMANA STARTED INTRODUCING
BESTER TO HER FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES
691
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:03,956
AS TK OR TOM.
692
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,555
TOGETHER THEY RAN THEIR
COMPANY, ARUM PROPERTIES.
693
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:09,476
AT ONE STAGE ON HER INSTAGRAM,
694
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,195
SHE POSTED A STORY OF
BALLOONS ON HIS BIRTHDAY,
695
00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:15,876
NOT ALLUDING TO WHO IT WAS FOR.
696
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,715
SO EVERYONE IN HER CIRCLE
KNEW ABOUT THIS NEW CHARACTER,
697
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,000
BUT DIDN'T KNOW
WHO HE REALLY WAS.
698
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,876
IT'S ALMOST AS THOUGH
SHE ENJOYS THE TEASE
699
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,996
OF THE TWO OF THEM SITTING THERE,
POINTING THEIR FINGER AT THE WORLD,
700
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,316
AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING
GOT AWAY WITH IT.
701
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,675
Videos of Thabo in the
months after his escape
702
00:43:41,679 --> 00:43:45,155
are slowly but surely popping
up all over social media.
703
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:47,476
"I was almost human
trafficked by them!"
704
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,599
I even said, "I have voice
notes and videos of him."
705
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:54,035
I met him,
706
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:56,356
and Nandipha herself
even called me
707
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,519
and assured me that
this thing is legit.
708
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,675
THE "CITIZEN" REPORTED THAT
MAGUDUMANA HAD, AT ONE STAGE,
709
00:44:03,679 --> 00:44:09,356
BOUGHT A MERCEDES IN 2022,
BUT DEFAULTED ON HER PAYMENTS.
710
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:14,555
That particular Mercedes Benz
has been abandoned in Zimbabwe.
711
00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:18,480
AND THEY TRACKED HER DOWN AND
CONFRONTED HER IN A RESTAURANT.
712
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:20,555
I don't know if you
wanna discuss this
713
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:22,075
in front of your colleague.
714
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:24,876
It's a personal matter
with Carbon Black Auto,
715
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,235
where you took the car over
the border to Zimbabwe.
716
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,316
You're still outstanding R700,000.
There's a case opened against you.
717
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,956
- There's a docket against you.
- Mm-hm?
718
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,800
So we just wanna try and
sort this out amicably.
719
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,195
- You can speak in front of him.
- Okay.
720
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:42,595
So you started paying
and you stopped paying.
721
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:46,555
And the car also is across the board
in Zimbabwe with false number plates.
722
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:47,595
No.
723
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:48,635
The car's still
standing at the border.
724
00:44:48,639 --> 00:44:50,115
We've tracked the
car to the border.
725
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:51,839
The Hawks are on it, yeah.
726
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:56,756
AND YOU SEE HER VERY COOLLY,
KINDA SHRUGGING HIM OFF,
727
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,115
AND THEN.. AND THEN
EATING HER AVOCADO TOAST.
728
00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:04,195
This man done used Dr Nandipha's
name and dragged her through the mud
729
00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:07,075
and took her for everything!
730
00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:08,679
There's the vehicle.
731
00:45:09,559 --> 00:45:13,480
It's an S-Class. S63 AMG.
732
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,956
Never put your name, reputation,
and life on the line for a man.
733
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,396
It just got worse!
734
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,880
It just got worse!
735
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,115
TWITTER IS MY MORNING NEWSPAPER.
736
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:31,515
I HAD JUST WOKEN UP
737
00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:35,476
AND I SAW THAT BESTER AND
NANDIPHA WERE TRENDING AGAIN.
738
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,480
AND THERE WAS THIS VOICE
NOTE MAKING THE ROUNDS.
739
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,035
The aggression in the
male person's voice,
740
00:45:54,039 --> 00:45:59,396
which has been alleged as
Thabo Bester, comes across.
741
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,916
Clearly, the intent
is to intimidate.
742
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,155
Whether it's a one-off event or
it's part of a continued pattern
743
00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:10,316
that is a perfect example
of emotional abuse.
744
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:11,920
The voice note continues.
745
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,555
SO WHEN THIS VOICE
NOTE FIRST APPEARED,
746
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:48,235
THERE WAS QUITE A WAVE OF
CHANGED OPINION AROUND NANDIPHA.
747
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,796
Hey, you know,
748
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,836
I think it's time for us women
to have an honest conversation
749
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,276
about why it is that we are
always attracted to bad men.
750
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:02,195
IF IT IS REAL, IT IS POSSIBLY
EVIDENCE OF BESTER'S TANTRUMS
751
00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:05,436
AND EPISODES OF
NARCISSISTIC RAGE,
752
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,956
AND SHOWS, PERHAPS, THE EMOTIONAL
POWER THAT HE HAD OVER MAGUDUMANA.
753
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,675
SO WE DON'T KNOW THE
ORIGINS OF THAT VOICE NOTE.
754
00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:17,635
I BELIEVE THAT THE VOICE
NOTE IS REAL. IT'S AUTHENTIC.
755
00:47:17,639 --> 00:47:22,836
I'VE SPOKEN TO THABO BESTER
ON MANY OCCASIONS IN THE PAST,
756
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,195
AND THAT'S HIS VOICE, AND NO
ONE CAN TELL ME OTHERWISE.
757
00:47:26,199 --> 00:47:28,079
THAT VOICE IS AUTHENTIC.
758
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,595
IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT
THABO'S PERSONALITY STRUCTURE,
759
00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:37,916
COERCIVE CONTROL IS SOMETHING
THAT FITS THE PICTURE, CLINICALLY.
760
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:42,356
AND FOR AS LONG AS NANDIPHA
NEEDED TO FULFIL HIS FUNCTIONS,
761
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,035
THERE WAS NO WAY SHE COULD
LEAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP.
762
00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:50,396
IT HAS TO BE THABO WHO
WOULD HAVE NOT NEEDED HER.
763
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,756
COERCIVE CONTROL IS A VERY
STICKY SPIDERWEB THAT CATCHES
764
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:59,796
EVEN THE MOST INTELLIGENT AND
EDUCATED OF MEN AND WOMEN.
765
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:05,956
IT IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT SHE
PURPOSEFULLY COMMITTED THESE CRIMES,
766
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:12,555
INTENDED TO COMMIT THESE CRIMES, AND
SIMULTANEOUSLY WAS SOMEHOW VICTIMISED
767
00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:17,715
BY SOME FORM OF COERCIVE
CONTROL, ABUSIVE BEHAVIOUR,
768
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,956
BECAUSE THOSE TWO THINGS
DON'T HAVE TO BE SEPARATE.
769
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,316
THEY CAN EXIST IN THE SAME,
YOU KNOW, TIME AND SPACE.
770
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,876
THERE'S A MASTER AND ONE WHO
NEEDS TO BE A SUBORDINATE.
771
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,476
AND I CAN IMAGINE THE
PSYCHOLOGICAL STRAIN
772
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,916
THAT THEN CAME AS A
RESULT OF THAT CONTROL.
773
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,276
I KNOW HIS ANGER AND HIS TONE,
774
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,115
AND I KNOW NANDIPHA'S TONE
WHEN SHE FEELS CORNERED,
775
00:48:42,119 --> 00:48:48,119
WHICH MEANS SHE WAS A PRISONER.
A PRISONER LIVING FREELY.
776
00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:11,316
Stop telling us that
Nandipha is a victim!
777
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,115
All these people that
are busy telling us
778
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:17,876
that Nandipha Magudumana is a victim,
and Thabo Bester manipulates...
779
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:23,235
DR MAGUDUMANA'S PROFESSIONAL
REPUTATION WAS QUITE HEIGHTENED.
780
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:27,756
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STOOD
OUT TO ME IN HER REPRESENTATIONS
781
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:32,115
WAS THAT SHE HAD A DEEP INTEREST
782
00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:35,280
IN THE HEALTH AND
SAFETY OF WOMEN.
783
00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:39,956
I really advocate for
people and for women...
784
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:44,599
AT THE SAME TIME, SHE WAS VISITING
A SERIAL PREDATOR IN PRISON.
785
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,555
WHAT'S GOING ON?
786
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:57,675
IS THIS WOMAN BEING
COERCED? I DON'T KNOW.
787
00:49:57,679 --> 00:50:02,760
TO ME, THIS FEELS LIKE..
YOUR PARTNER IN CRIME.
788
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:08,195
I'M NOT SAYING LIFE IS BLACK AND
WHITE AND THERE IS NO GREY AREA,
789
00:50:08,199 --> 00:50:13,756
BUT THE LENGTHS THAT SHE ALLEGEDLY
WENT THROUGH TO ASSIST HIM,
790
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,675
A CONVICTED RAPIST,
791
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:17,635
I CAN'T CONFIDENTLY SAY
792
00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:22,396
THAT I THINK SHE'S AN INNOCENT
VICTIM IN ALL OF THIS.
793
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:23,675
AS A PSYCHOLOGIST,
794
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:26,916
WHO WOULD BE THE MORE
INTERESTING PATIENT FOR YOU?
795
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,920
THE MORE INTERESTING PATIENT
FOR ME WOULD BE NANDIPHA.
796
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:32,796
BECAUSE OF HER COMPLEXITIES,
797
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,316
HER BACKGROUND, HER
BEING A MEDICAL DOCTOR.
798
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,276
BUT MOSTLY, I WOULD LOVE TO
WORK ON HER REHABILITATION,
799
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,356
AS TO HOW SHE'S GOING TO HEAL,
800
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,715
AND HOW SHE'S GOING
TO HELP HER CHILDREN
801
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,715
UNDERSTAND THAT SOCIAL STIGMA,
802
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,476
THE GENERATIONAL BURDEN THAT THEN
COMES WITH THE NARRATIVE OF...
803
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,836
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THESE
CHILDREN WILL SUFFER.
804
00:50:58,639 --> 00:51:01,155
AFTER WE PUBLISHED
THAT ARTICLE,
805
00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:03,555
AND AFTER IT BECAME CLEAR
THAT THEY'D ESCAPED,
806
00:51:03,559 --> 00:51:07,119
EVERYONE WAS TRYING TO
FIND OUT WHERE THEY WERE.
807
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,876
MAGUDUMANA AND BESTER
FLED THE COUNTRY
808
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,360
TWO DAYS AFTER WE
PUBLISHED OUR ARTICLE.
809
00:51:14,199 --> 00:51:17,675
BY THIS STAGE, EVEN THOUGH WE
DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THEY'D GONE TO,
810
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:19,555
WE KNEW THAT THEY'D
GONE ON THE RUN.
811
00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:23,916
THABO BESTER AND NANDIPHA
MAGUDUMANA WERE TRENDING ON TWITTER.
812
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,035
OUR PHONE WAS RINGING OFF THE
HOOK AT THE OFFICE WITH TIPOFFS,
813
00:51:27,039 --> 00:51:29,436
PEOPLE CLAIMING TO
HAVE SPOTTED THEM.
814
00:51:35,159 --> 00:51:36,876
SO THE FOLLOWING DAY,
815
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:42,276
WE GOT HOLD OF THE LANDLORD OF THE
HOME THAT NANDIPHA HAD BEEN LEASING.
816
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,675
THEY SAID THEY HAD NO IDEA
THAT IT WAS THABO BESTER,
817
00:51:44,679 --> 00:51:49,115
THAT THE LEASE AGREEMENT WAS
SIGNED BY MAGUDUMANA AND TK NKWANA,
818
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:53,356
AND THAT THE CONTRACT WAS SIGNED EVEN
WHILE BESTER WAS STILL IN PRISON.
819
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,635
AND HE CONFIRMED THAT
AFTER THEY HAD FLED,
820
00:51:56,639 --> 00:51:59,916
BOUNCERS HAD PITCHED UP
AND COLLECTED HER THINGS.
821
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:02,715
WE WERE TOLD THAT THE
PEOPLE WHO ARRIVED THERE
822
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,396
CAME IN A BLUE LIGHT BRIGADE.
823
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,635
THEY WERE WEARING FANCY
DESIGNER SHOES AND WATCHES.
824
00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:11,956
SOME OF THEM WERE ARMED, BUT THEN
THE LANDLORD WENT TO STOP THEM,
825
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,675
BECAUSE SOME OF THE STUFF
THEY WERE CARRYING OUT,
826
00:52:14,679 --> 00:52:16,356
HE SAID, BELONGED TO HIM.
827
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,760
AND THERE WAS A BIT OF
A PHYSICAL ALTERCATION.
828
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:30,476
THERE ARE PICTURES OF NANDIPHA
AND THABO BESTER THAT HAVE EMERGED
829
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,035
AS THEY WERE
LEAVING THE COUNTRY.
830
00:52:33,039 --> 00:52:37,916
YOU CAN SEE NANDIPHA IN THE
PASSENGER SIDE WITH SUNGLASSES ON,
831
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,035
RELAXED, CHILLED.
832
00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:43,679
THAT DOESN'T LOOK
LIKE SOMEONE WHO'S...
833
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,360
I DON'T KNOW,
AFRAID FOR HER LIFE.
834
00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:51,396
SO I THINK THEY
FLED SOUTH AFRICA
835
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,155
WITH EVERY INTENTION OF
SETTING UP LIFE SOMEWHERE ELSE
836
00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:56,595
UNDER ASSUMED IDENTITIES.
837
00:52:56,599 --> 00:52:58,715
AFRICA WELCOME
PEOPLE WITH MONEY.
838
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,996
THEY'RE NOT AS STRINGENT IN
THEIR VETTING REQUIREMENTS.
839
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,316
AND I THINK THIS IS WHAT THABO
AND NANDIPHA WERE LOOKING FOR.
840
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,996
THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A
COUNTRY IN THE AFRICAN CONTEXT
841
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,996
THAT WOULD ACCEPT THEM, NOT
NECESSARILY KNOW WHO THEY ARE,
842
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,396
BUT ACCEPT THEM FOR THE FACT
THAT THEY APPEAR TO BE MONEYED.
843
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:20,195
IF YOU'RE MONEYED AND THE PERCEPTION
IS YOU CAN INVEST IN THAT COUNTRY,
844
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:21,796
OR YOU CAN START A BUSINESS,
845
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,555
YOU CAN ENGAGE WITH THE
LOCALS, EMPLOY PEOPLE,
846
00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:27,280
PEOPLE TEND TO GLOSS
OVER YOUR BACKGROUND.
847
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,195
WE WERE TOLD BY
MAGUDUMANA'S BROTHER
848
00:53:31,199 --> 00:53:35,396
THAT MAGUDUMANA HAD CONTACTED
HER FATHER FROM MOZAMBIQUE.
849
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,075
BUT EVEN AT THAT TIME,
850
00:53:37,079 --> 00:53:40,396
WE STILL HAD TO TAKE WHAT HE
SAID WITH A PINCH OF SALT,
851
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,316
BECAUSE HE MIGHT HAVE HAD A
MOTIVE TO PROTECT HIS SISTER,
852
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:49,035
AND PERHAPS HE WAS PURPOSEFULLY
GIVING US WRONG INFORMATION.
853
00:53:49,039 --> 00:53:52,436
NKOSINATHI PROVIDED US WITH
A MOZAMBICAN CELLPHONE NUMBER
854
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:57,476
THAT MAGUDUMANA HAD SUPPOSEDLY
USED TO CONTACT HER FATHER.
855
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,756
AND WE SHARED THIS
EVIDENCE WITH THE POLICE.
856
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,916
THE POLICE DIDN'T
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT EVIDENCE.
857
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,635
AROUND THE SAME TIME, ZOLILE
DID AN INTERVIEW WITH ENCA.
858
00:54:07,639 --> 00:54:10,235
Nandipha Magudumana's father,
859
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,836
says he's really worried
about his daughter.
860
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,555
What did she say to you?
861
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:17,035
She said she's in hiding.
862
00:54:17,039 --> 00:54:20,675
And are you perhaps
worried about her?
863
00:54:20,679 --> 00:54:23,599
How can I not be worried
about my daughter?
864
00:54:24,519 --> 00:54:27,235
ALTHOUGH I DID FEEL
SOMEWHAT SYMPATHETIC
865
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:31,075
FOR ZOLILE BEING CONCERNED
ABOUT HIS DAUGHTER'S SAFETY,
866
00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:35,235
I WAS ALSO VIEWING HIM
AS A PERSON OF INTEREST,
867
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,555
BECAUSE IN NANDIPHA'S AFFIDAVIT,
868
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:41,276
SHE MENTIONED THAT
ZOLILE AND HER ASSISTANT
869
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,880
WENT TO COLLECT THE BODY
FROM THE MORGUE IN SOWETO.
870
00:54:50,159 --> 00:54:52,115
IT WAS TWO WEEKS AFTER
MAGUDUMANA AND BESTER
871
00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:57,595
HAD VACATED THEIR MANSION THAT THE
POLICE WENT TO RAID THE MANSION.
872
00:54:57,599 --> 00:54:59,195
WE WERE HOPING AND BELIEVING
873
00:54:59,199 --> 00:55:01,115
THE GOVERNMENT WOULD
BE INVESTIGATING THIS,
874
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:04,035
BUT IT SEEMED THAT THE POLICE
WEREN'T DOING ANYTHING AT ALL.
875
00:55:04,039 --> 00:55:05,356
AND BY THIS TIME,
876
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,635
EVERY NEWS PLATFORM IN THE COUNTRY
HAD VISITED AND HAD BEEN IN IT.
877
00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:11,075
I THINK A LOT OF SOUTH AFRICANS
878
00:55:11,079 --> 00:55:13,035
REALLY BELIEVED THAT
WAS THE END OF IT,
879
00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:15,436
THAT WE WERE NOT
GONNA GET THEM BACK.
880
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:19,115
I THINK BESTER AND MAGUDUMANA ALSO
THOUGHT THEY'D GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT.
881
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:22,035
AND I THINK A LOT OF US,
INCLUDING ME, THOUGHT,
882
00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:24,276
"YOU KNOW, WELL I REALLY FEEL
SORRY FOR HIS VICTIMS NOW,
883
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,115
BECAUSE NOW HE'S OUT
THERE LIVING HIS LIFE."
884
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:29,476
Prior to the fire,
somebody got killed.
885
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,555
We still don't know who that
somebody is, but these guys do.
886
00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:34,756
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS
THAT REMAINED WAS,
887
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,996
"IF IT WASN'T THABO BESTER'S BODY
THAT WAS IN THE CELL, WHOSE WAS IT?"
888
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,155
Breaking news this evening.
889
00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:42,396
The police have identified
the charred body
890
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,476
used in Thabo Bester's escape.
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