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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,919 --> 00:00:11,156 A daring prison escape undetected for nearly a year... 2 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,316 The so-called Facebook rapist lived the high life, it seems, 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:15,956 both in and out of prison. 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,075 Following a series of exposes by GroundUp, 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:20,515 the Correctional Services Department 6 00:00:20,519 --> 00:00:22,675 has now confirmed that the badly-burned body 7 00:00:22,679 --> 00:00:26,440 found in Thabo Bester's Mangaung Prison cell is not his. 8 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,115 There were no signs of smoke inhalation, 9 00:00:36,119 --> 00:00:39,075 but his internal organs, such as the pancreas and the spleen, 10 00:00:39,079 --> 00:00:41,556 were in the early stages of decomposition. 11 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,035 Has the Department of Correctional Services 12 00:00:44,039 --> 00:00:45,920 been engaged in a cover-up? 13 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:48,755 There is no cover-up. 14 00:00:48,759 --> 00:00:50,075 Government is embarrassed. 15 00:00:50,079 --> 00:00:53,475 It's an embarrassing situation that a convicted criminal, 16 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,316 who was sentenced to life and 75 years, escapes from prison. 17 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,755 Those with any information that can assist 18 00:00:59,759 --> 00:01:02,039 are being asked to come forward. 19 00:01:05,159 --> 00:01:07,396 "The couple look like any other." 20 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,556 They smile and exchange a knowing look. 21 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,075 But rather than thoughts of romance, 22 00:01:13,079 --> 00:01:16,916 is the knowledge that police are hot on their tails. 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,116 Yes, that's right. 24 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,435 Today we're diving into a case that has captured South Africans. 25 00:01:22,439 --> 00:01:26,196 The story of Dr Nandipha Magudumana 26 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,280 "and her lover, the rapist and murderer Thabo Bester." 27 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:42,996 "Dr Nandipha Magudumana, once revered as a celebrity doctor" 28 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,196 with accolades and fame, now stands as an enigma. 29 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:52,116 In March, 2023, a series of events began to unravel, 30 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,075 casting shadows over Magudumana's glittering facade. 31 00:01:56,079 --> 00:01:59,795 A fall from grace that no one saw coming. 32 00:01:59,799 --> 00:02:04,715 "The search for Bester and Nandipha becomes a national obsession." 33 00:02:04,719 --> 00:02:08,836 Dr Nandipha, Thabo Bester.. It's a movie, guys. 34 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,475 Their body was found bound, gagged, and beaten. 35 00:02:17,479 --> 00:02:20,556 They had 57 stab wounds in their abdomen, chest... 36 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:21,996 Her arms were cut off, 37 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,875 her legs were cut off, her ears were cut off. 38 00:02:24,879 --> 00:02:28,475 Mm-hm. Now that's what I'm talking about. 39 00:02:28,479 --> 00:02:30,236 I'm Nicole Engelbrecht 40 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,960 and you're listening to "True Crime South Africa". 41 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,435 WHAT WE'RE STARTING TO REALLY SEE IS A SHIFT, GLOBALLY, 42 00:02:37,439 --> 00:02:41,155 TO A MORE ETHICAL TRUE CRIME. AND I THINK WHAT I'VE NOTICED 43 00:02:41,159 --> 00:02:44,516 IS THAT IT'S BECOME ALMOST EMPOWERING FOR MY LISTENERS 44 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:50,435 BECAUSE I THINK AS SOUTH AFRICANS, WE CAN OFTEN FEEL VERY DISEMPOWERED, 45 00:02:50,439 --> 00:02:54,315 FEEL VERY MUCH LIKE CRIMINAL ELEMENTS ARE TAKING OVER OUR COUNTRY 46 00:02:54,319 --> 00:02:57,356 AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN REALLY DO TO PROTECT OURSELVES. 47 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:03,516 AND TRUE CRIME IS A SMALL WAY OF BEING ABLE TO TAKE BACK THESE STORIES 48 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,796 AND THEN ALSO UNDERSTAND HOW THESE PERPETRATORS DEVELOP. 49 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,236 I THINK THAT WHAT WE'VE COME TO UNDERSTAND 50 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,475 IS THAT THESE PERPETRATORS AREN'T NECESSARILY BORN, THEY ARE MADE. 51 00:03:14,479 --> 00:03:18,715 AND, YOU KNOW, THE MORE WE KNOW ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE THIS, 52 00:03:18,719 --> 00:03:22,996 PERHAPS THE BETTER EQUIPPED WE ARE TO "A", AVOID THEM, 53 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,840 AND MAYBE AVOID BECOMING THEM. 54 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,516 Dr Nandipha, let's get to your story. 55 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,155 I am Dr Nandipha Magudumana. 56 00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:37,035 I was born in a small village called Bizana in the Eastern Cape. 57 00:03:37,039 --> 00:03:39,035 WE WERE ALL BORN IN THE TRANSKEI. 58 00:03:39,039 --> 00:03:43,035 I'M ONE OF FOUR, AND NANDIPHA IS MY YOUNGER SISTER. 59 00:03:43,039 --> 00:03:46,315 AFTER APARTHEID, MY PARENTS FIGURED OUT 60 00:03:46,319 --> 00:03:50,396 THAT LIFE WAS BETTER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER, BETTER SCHOOLS. 61 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,516 AND WE MOVED TO PORT EDWARD, KZN, 62 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,475 AND WE WERE THE FIRST BLACK PEOPLE TO BUY A HOUSE THERE. 63 00:03:57,479 --> 00:04:03,475 SO I'D CONSIDER MY PARENTS AND OUR FAMILY THE SO-CALLED MIDDLE CLASS, 64 00:04:03,479 --> 00:04:06,556 BECAUSE MY PARENTS WERE BOTH EDUCATORS, 65 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,236 AND THEN THEY ADVANCED THEIR PROFESSIONS 66 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:14,035 BY BECOMING CHIEF EDUCATION SPECIALISTS. 67 00:04:14,039 --> 00:04:19,195 SINCE NANDIPHA WAS VERY, VERY YOUNG, SHE'S ALWAYS WANTED TO BE A DOCTOR. 68 00:04:19,199 --> 00:04:23,835 I REMEMBER WE TOOK ONE OF HER DOLLS AND CUT IT IN HALF, 69 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,556 AND THERE SHE WAS, TRYING TO STITCH IT BACK TOGETHER, 70 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,395 AND GETTING MY MOM UPSET, OF COURSE. 71 00:04:30,399 --> 00:04:33,515 I spent most of my school career 72 00:04:33,519 --> 00:04:36,315 working towards getting into medical school. 73 00:04:36,319 --> 00:04:39,435 In high school, I started working at a pharmacy, 74 00:04:39,439 --> 00:04:42,315 and then there was also a hospital next to my school, 75 00:04:42,319 --> 00:04:45,639 so I would take time and do community service there. 76 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,955 WERE YOU AND NANDIPHA CLOSE? 77 00:04:50,959 --> 00:04:53,275 I WOULD SAY SO. WE WERE VERY CLOSE. 78 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,075 WE'RE THE ONLY SIBLINGS OUT OF THE FOUR 79 00:04:56,079 --> 00:04:58,356 THAT ARE ROUND ABOUT THE SAME AGE, 80 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,236 WHICH MAKES US SORT OF PEERS IN THAT SENSE. 81 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,716 NANDIPHA WAS ALWAYS A GO-GETTER. 82 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,075 SHE ALWAYS LIKED NICE THINGS, EVEN IN VARSITY. 83 00:05:07,079 --> 00:05:10,515 SHE'D MAKE HER SPARE MONEY THROUGH MODELLING. 84 00:05:10,519 --> 00:05:13,996 So yeah, I finished, and then I worked as a junior doctor. 85 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,116 I did my internship community service. 86 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,635 And it was then when I realised 87 00:05:17,639 --> 00:05:20,195 that actually, I want to do what I'm passionate about, 88 00:05:20,199 --> 00:05:23,435 which is aesthetic medicine, which is something that's fairly new. 89 00:05:23,439 --> 00:05:24,556 - It's a discipline... - What's that? 90 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,835 So we make people beautiful. 91 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,596 - That's what we do. - Okay. 92 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,600 - Damn, damn, damn, damn. - Yeah. 93 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,435 I STARTED INTRODUCING HER TO THE MEDIA SPACE. 94 00:05:37,439 --> 00:05:38,916 JOURNALISTS WERE INTERESTED, 95 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,839 SO I WOULD HOOK HER UP WITH MEDIA EXPOSURE. 96 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:50,156 MY PARENTS ALWAYS EMPHASISED THAT, "WE LOVE ALL OF YOU EQUALLY", 97 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:54,156 BUT YOU WOULD SEE THAT THERE IS FAVOURITISM. 98 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,195 NANDIPHA WAS A MILLIONAIRE, 99 00:05:56,199 --> 00:06:01,875 SO WHATEVER WE SAY.. COMES AFTER SHE SAYS. 100 00:06:01,879 --> 00:06:05,240 IF SHE SAYS SOMETHING, SHE'S SPOKEN, AND THAT'S IT. 101 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,236 HER BUSINESS WAS BOOMING. 102 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,716 SHE HAD NOTIFIED US AS A FAMILY 103 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,955 THAT SHE'S GOT A MENTOR THAT LIVES IN NEW YORK CITY 104 00:06:16,959 --> 00:06:19,556 BY THE NAME OF TK NKWANA, 105 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,996 WHICH WAS SUPPOSEDLY A PROPERTY AND MEDIA MOGUL. 106 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,476 And then I opened a property and investment company, 107 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,996 which is something that I'm very passionate about, 108 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,195 that I'm currently running. 109 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:34,079 So I'm concurrently running two companies at the same time. 110 00:06:40,399 --> 00:06:42,676 THE SO-CALLED TK NKWANA THAT WE KNEW, 111 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,875 NANDIPHA WOULD EXPLAIN THAT HE GREW UP WITHOUT A FAMILY OR PARENTS. 112 00:06:46,879 --> 00:06:51,116 AND HE WAS TRYING TO BE PART OF OUR FAMILY, 113 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,236 IN THE SENSE THAT HE WOULD EVEN CALL MY FATHER "DAD" AND MY MOM "MOM", 114 00:06:55,240 --> 00:07:00,275 AND, LIKE, "I'VE NEVER HAD PARENTS, AND YOU GUYS HAVE BECOME MY PARENTS." 115 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,236 AND YOU COULD SPEAK NOTHING ILL OF THIS TK NKWANA 116 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,920 BECAUSE HE WAS "LITERALLY" FAMILY. 117 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:12,315 HER CHILDREN USED TO CALL HIM PINEAPPLE. THAT WAS HIS NICKNAME. 118 00:07:12,319 --> 00:07:14,875 AND DURING VIDEO CALLS, NANDIPHA WOULD SAY, 119 00:07:14,879 --> 00:07:16,955 "DON'T YOU WANNA SPEAK TO PINEAPPLE?" 120 00:07:16,959 --> 00:07:22,676 ON NANDIPHA'S STREAMING ACCOUNT, THEY CHOSE TO BE THE GIRLS' ACCOUNT, 121 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,916 MUMMY'S ACCOUNT, WHICH IS NANDIPHA, 122 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,596 AND THEN THERE'S PINEAPPLE ON THE SIDE. THAT'S HIS NICKNAME. 123 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:33,435 AND WHEN YOU GO THROUGH PINEAPPLE'S ACCOUNT, IT'S ALL CRIME SERIES. 124 00:07:33,439 --> 00:07:38,635 IT'S ALL CRIME SERIES. 125 00:07:38,639 --> 00:07:40,839 SO I GUESS HE WAS GETTING TIPS. 126 00:07:43,319 --> 00:07:47,156 DID YOU GUYS EVER ASK HER HOW SHE MET TK? 127 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:53,996 UM.. I.. I DID ASK. AND YOU NEVER GOT A CLEAR ANSWER. 128 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:59,435 I DON'T EVER REMEMBER GETTING A CLEAR ANSWER ON HOW SHE MET HIM. 129 00:07:59,439 --> 00:08:01,515 AND IF YOU SORT OF SPEAK LIKE THAT, 130 00:08:01,519 --> 00:08:04,996 IT'S LIKE, "OH DON'T ASK. YOU GUYS KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS." 131 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,395 "STOP ASKING QUESTIONS," SHE'D SAY. 132 00:08:07,399 --> 00:08:12,156 MY THEORY IS THABO BESTER WAS SNOOPING AROUND ONLINE 133 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:17,515 WHILE HE WAS IN JAIL AND THOUGHT THAT HE COULD USE HER SOMEHOW, 134 00:08:17,519 --> 00:08:21,360 AND DID EXACTLY THAT. THEY MET ONLINE. THAT'S WHAT I THINK. 135 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:24,796 WHAT WE DO KNOW FOR A FACT, 136 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,835 BECAUSE THE PRISON VISITATION RECORDS INDICATE IT, 137 00:08:27,839 --> 00:08:34,275 IS THAT MAGUDUMANA STARTED VISITING BESTER IN PRISON IN 2017. 138 00:08:34,279 --> 00:08:37,476 AND SHE VISITED HIM SEVERAL TIMES IN THE COMING YEARS. 139 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,555 THERE WAS EVEN ONE BOOKING THAT WAS ON VALENTINE'S DAY. 140 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:45,275 So what is the one habit nearly all successful people have in common? 141 00:08:45,279 --> 00:08:50,356 IN 2017, THE FIRST OF THE COMPANIES THAT MAGUDUMANA AND BESTER 142 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,320 WOULD BOTH BE INVOLVED IN WERE REGISTERED BY MAGUDUMANA. 143 00:08:56,919 --> 00:09:01,356 SO BEFORE MAGUDUMANA STARTED VISITING BESTER IN PRISON, 144 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,515 HE RECEIVED MANY OTHER VISITORS. 145 00:09:03,519 --> 00:09:09,555 MANY OF THESE VISITORS WERE WOMEN EITHER INVOLVED IN MEDIA OR BUSINESS, 146 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,155 AND HE HAD REACHED OUT TO THEM WITH A BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY. 147 00:09:13,159 --> 00:09:14,915 BUT IN ALL OF THOSE CASES, 148 00:09:14,919 --> 00:09:18,755 ONCE IT BECAME CLEAR WHO HE WAS, THOSE RELATIONSHIPS ENDED. 149 00:09:18,759 --> 00:09:22,596 WHAT I HAVE SEEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN IN THIS CASE, 150 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:29,316 IS THAT PEOPLE KNEW THAT THABO BESTER WAS EITHER DOING THINGS IN PRISON 151 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,275 OR WAS COMMUNICATING TOO CLOSELY WITH PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF PRISON 152 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:35,236 WHERE THEY COULD'VE BEEN DOING THINGS. 153 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,275 AND NOT A SINGLE PERSON WENT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONAL SERVICES 154 00:09:39,279 --> 00:09:41,035 AND SAID, "I KNOW FOR A FACT 155 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:46,755 THAT THIS GUY IS HOSTING PARTIES FROM HIS JAIL CELL." 156 00:09:46,759 --> 00:09:50,836 BESTER HAD APPARENTLY TOLD PEOPLE THAT THE REASON HE WAS IN JAIL 157 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,679 IS BECAUSE HE HAD TAKEN THE FALL FOR A POLITICIAN'S SON. 158 00:09:57,919 --> 00:09:58,956 LOTS OF TEA. 159 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,076 HOW DID YOU FIND THAT OUT? WHO TOLD YOU THAT? 160 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,555 SO THAT INFORMATION CAME FROM SEVERAL SOURCES, 161 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,795 AND PEOPLE HAD ALSO EMAILED US USING PSEUDONYMS, 162 00:10:07,799 --> 00:10:12,755 TELLING US THAT BESTER WAS CONNECTED TO SEVERAL POLITICIANS. 163 00:10:12,759 --> 00:10:14,755 I THINK NANDIPHA BELIEVED THAT. 164 00:10:14,759 --> 00:10:17,436 SHE ACTUALLY REALLY BELIEVED THAT THIS GUY, 165 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,915 AFTER SHE HAD FOUND OUT, OBVIOUSLY, THAT HE'S IN JAIL, 166 00:10:20,919 --> 00:10:25,240 THAT THIS GUY HAD BEEN WRONGFULLY ACCUSED AND SENTENCED. 167 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:32,875 AND I BELIEVE THAT MADE IT A SORT OF EXCITING FACTOR, 168 00:10:32,879 --> 00:10:38,155 YOU KNOW, SORT OF THABO BESTER GLORIFYING HIMSELF, 169 00:10:38,159 --> 00:10:40,200 AS IF HE'S THE VICTIM HERE. 170 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,600 I THINK HE REACHED OUT TO NANDIPHA AS THE BUSINESSMAN. 171 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,116 I THINK NANDIPHA WAS JUST AN INSTRUMENT 172 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,275 TO DO WHATEVER HE NEEDED TO DO 173 00:10:55,279 --> 00:10:58,960 TO MAKE MONEY AND GET OUT OF JAIL. 174 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:01,755 THE ROMANCE SCAMS 175 00:11:01,759 --> 00:11:05,196 HAVE CONNED PEOPLE OUT OF TENS OF MILLIONS OF RANDS, 176 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,755 NOT JUST IN SOUTH AFRICA, BUT WORLDWIDE. 177 00:11:07,759 --> 00:11:09,635 AND IT'S BEEN HAPPENING FOR DECADES. 178 00:11:09,639 --> 00:11:15,476 AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY START LOOKING FOR A SPECIFIC VICTIMOLOGY, 179 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,596 AND THEY GROOM HER. THEY LOOK AT WHAT HER INTERESTS ARE. 180 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,956 THEY LOOK FOR SOMETHING THAT THE PERSON WOULD FIND IN COMMON. 181 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,836 CHANCES ARE HE REALLY STUDIED NANDIPHA 182 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:30,196 AND DISCOVERED HER WEAKEST POINT OR HER WEAKEST NEED AT THAT TIME. 183 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,076 AND THEY SET THEM UP OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. 184 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,915 IT COULD BE THREE MONTHS, IT COULD BE SIX MONTHS. 185 00:11:33,919 --> 00:11:36,236 AND THAT'S WHEN THE FRAUD COMES IN. 186 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,795 AND WE SEE THESE ROMANCE SCAMS UNDER DIFFERENT GUISES ALL THE TIME. 187 00:11:39,799 --> 00:11:42,635 Guys, you have to be so discerning 188 00:11:42,639 --> 00:11:45,755 when you are choosing to follow somebody online 189 00:11:45,759 --> 00:11:47,799 and to believe the things that they are saying. 190 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,795 Guys, listen, one thing about Instagram influencers, 191 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:54,436 those people can lie. 192 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,116 Stop idolising these social media influencers 193 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,035 and people that are famous, 194 00:12:00,039 --> 00:12:03,159 because you do not know what they do behind closed doors. 195 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,155 You've gotta ask yourselves 196 00:12:07,159 --> 00:12:10,356 the lifestyle that they live on these social media apps. 197 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,559 You do not know what they do to fund those lifestyles. 198 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,155 Everybody was so shocked about the whole Dr Nandipha thing 199 00:12:19,159 --> 00:12:22,795 because they were like, "How can somebody so beautiful," right? 200 00:12:22,799 --> 00:12:28,035 Because apparently being shady and living a double lifestyle 201 00:12:28,039 --> 00:12:30,836 is only for, like, bad-looking people. 202 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,356 I MEAN, FOR A WOMAN TO GO THROUGH 203 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,956 WHATEVER EXTENT SHE WENT THROUGH FOR A MAN, 204 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,436 I GUESS SHE IS IN LOVE WITH HIM, 205 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:44,240 OR IN LOVE WITH THE WHOLE SCENARIO, MAYBE. 206 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:55,275 IF I TELL YOU I'M AN EX-CONVICT OR I HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD, 207 00:12:55,279 --> 00:12:56,836 YOU WILL THINK TWICE, RIGHT? 208 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:01,116 SO I MUST GIVE YOU THE IMAGINATION AND THE FAIRY TALE 209 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,836 THAT'S GOING TO SELL FOR ME TO GET YOU, 210 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,480 AND FOR YOU TO BE FULLY IMMERSED IN WHAT I AM OFFERING. 211 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:14,155 AND THIS OPPORTUNITY, THROUGH THABO'S INVOLVEMENT, 212 00:13:14,159 --> 00:13:18,836 EXPANDED THE IDEA OF WHAT WEALTH COULD LOOK LIKE. 213 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:25,320 THE IDEA OF BEING THE NEXT BIG DOCTOR, THE IDEA OF MATERIAL GAIN. 214 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,795 WITH HER BANKING PROFILE, 215 00:13:28,799 --> 00:13:31,996 WITH HER ACCESS TO HIGH-PROFILE INDIVIDUALS, 216 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,596 THE BANKS WOULDN'T QUESTION THE FACT THAT, HER BEING AN ENTREPRENEUR, 217 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,236 WOULD SUDDENLY HAVE LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONIES COMING INTO HER ACCOUNTS, 218 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,635 OR THE FACT THAT SHE WAS OPENING NEW COMPANIES 219 00:13:41,639 --> 00:13:44,316 THAT SUDDENLY HAD LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY COMING IN. 220 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,675 THAT WOULD BE EXPECTED OF AN ENTREPRENEUR, 221 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,596 IT WOULD BE EXPECTED OF SOMEBODY WHO'S AN INFLUENCER. 222 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,555 AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT FRAUDSTERS, THEY FIND SOMEBODY WHO HAVE A NETWORK 223 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,555 OR A GROUP AROUND THEM THAT THEY CAN NOW MANIPULATE, 224 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,316 THAT THEY CAN HAVE ACCESS TO, SO THAT THEY CAN MONETISE IT. 225 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,515 AND SHE HAD ALL OF THAT. SO IT WAS THE PERFECT MATCH. 226 00:14:04,519 --> 00:14:10,755 SO I THINK THEN THE DOWNFALL BECAME NANDIPHA FALLING FOR THIS IMAGINATION 227 00:14:10,759 --> 00:14:13,480 OF WHATEVER THAT WAS THEN PRESENTED TO HER. 228 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,555 AS MUCH AS ONE CAN BELIEVE SHE WAS GROOMED IN THE INITIAL STAGES, 229 00:14:20,559 --> 00:14:22,836 SHE BECAME FULLY AWARE OF WHO HE WAS, 230 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,956 AND THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO ASK THEMSELVES, 231 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:26,635 "WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU FOUND OUT 232 00:14:26,639 --> 00:14:29,795 THE PERSON THAT YOU'VE NOW HAD AN ONLINE RELATIONSHIP WITH 233 00:14:29,799 --> 00:14:32,915 TURNED OUT TO BE SOMEBODY THAT THE STATE 234 00:14:32,919 --> 00:14:35,675 AND THE PEOPLE AT LARGE REGARDED AS A MONSTER? 235 00:14:35,679 --> 00:14:38,035 I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD TRY DISTANCE THEMSELVES 236 00:14:38,039 --> 00:14:39,635 AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. 237 00:14:42,639 --> 00:14:45,635 SO THERE IS A KNOWN PHENOMENON IN THE WORLD 238 00:14:45,639 --> 00:14:50,755 WHERE WOMEN BECOME INTERESTED IN MALE OFFENDERS, 239 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:53,356 AND IT'S OFTEN VERY MUCH 240 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,116 THE OFFENDERS THAT HAVE COMMITTED PARTICULARLY VIOLENT CRIMES, 241 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,996 USUALLY WHERE THEIR VICTIMS WERE FEMALE AS WELL. 242 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,795 I realised why women love serial killers so much, 243 00:15:04,799 --> 00:15:10,155 and it's because it's the first man we've ever seen who can plan. 244 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,755 EVEN IN SOUTH AFRICA, WE'VE SEEN WITH THE OSCAR PISTORIUS CASE, 245 00:15:15,759 --> 00:15:18,275 THERE WAS A HUGE FEMALE FOLLOWING 246 00:15:18,279 --> 00:15:21,635 WHERE THEY JUST ARE ADAMANTLY SUPPORTIVE OF HIM, 247 00:15:21,639 --> 00:15:24,200 DESPITE WHAT HE HAS DONE. 248 00:15:26,279 --> 00:15:31,915 ARE THESE WOMEN GENUINELY JUST SEEING THE MAN BEHIND THE CRIME, 249 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:38,275 OR ARE THEY DRAWN TO THAT PERSON BECAUSE THEY ARE THE PERPETRATOR? 250 00:15:55,519 --> 00:15:56,915 I put the rope over the seat, 251 00:15:56,919 --> 00:15:59,600 and then I put it around his neck and I pulled tight. 252 00:16:40,279 --> 00:16:43,555 HARDLY EVER DO WE SEE THESE WOMEN 253 00:16:43,559 --> 00:16:47,879 GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE THEY ACTUALLY WANT TO BREAK THEM OUT... 254 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,076 OR THEY'LL PLAY A ROLE IN THAT. 255 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:52,679 Don't judge people! 256 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,395 You are a person! They are a person! 257 00:16:57,399 --> 00:16:59,395 I'm a person! We're all persons! 258 00:16:59,399 --> 00:17:01,875 So I found this website called write a prisoner.com, 259 00:17:01,879 --> 00:17:05,916 and you can literally just, like, browse through a load of inmates 260 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,636 in prison all over the USA. 261 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,676 What's up? My name's Ryan. I'm 26. 262 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,640 I'm looking forward to meeting some of you all. 263 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,355 SO HOW MANY PRISON PEN PALS DO YOU HAVE? 264 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:18,636 THREE OR FOUR. 265 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,636 I ALREADY HAD AT MOST, LIKE, ABOUT NINE OR TEN AT ONCE. YEAH. 266 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,515 WELL ACTUALLY, MY SISTER WAS WRITING PEOPLE IN PRISON, 267 00:17:26,519 --> 00:17:30,355 AND SO SHE JUST TALKED VERY OPENLY ABOUT IT, 268 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,396 AND SHE TALKED ABOUT THE US CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. 269 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:39,355 AND THAT'S HOW I KINDA GOT, YOU KNOW, MYSELF INTO IT, INTERESTED IN IT, 270 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,636 AND I GOT A PASSION FOR IT. 271 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,916 I WAS AGAINST THE DEATH PENALTY, SO I WROTE TO SOMEONE WHO WAS ON DEATH ROW 272 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:50,236 BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THAT I COULD DO TO "HELP". 273 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,115 I THOUGHT I MIGHT BECOME FRIENDS WITH SOMEONE, 274 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,035 I MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP SOMEONE. 275 00:17:55,039 --> 00:17:58,035 AND AT THE TIME, I MEAN, I WAS LIVING IN FRANCE, 276 00:17:58,039 --> 00:18:00,795 AND I THOUGHT, "AND IT'S A GOOD WAY TO IMPROVE MY ENGLISH, 277 00:18:00,799 --> 00:18:02,636 SO LET'S GO FOR IT!" 278 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,676 SO MY VERY FIRST PEN PAL, WHEN I WROTE TO HIM, 279 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,996 I ACTUALLY DID NOT KNOW HIS CRIME. 280 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,115 I JUST KNEW BECAUSE YOU'RE ON DEATH ROW, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S A MURDER 281 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:16,555 AND SOMETHING ELSE ADDED TO IT. BUT I REALLY HAD NO CLUE. 282 00:18:16,559 --> 00:18:21,156 AND I FOUND OUT SEVEN YEARS LATER WHEN I DECIDED TO GOOGLE HIM. 283 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:25,436 IN THIS CASE, IT WAS RAPES AND MURDERS, PLURAL. 284 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,440 SO THAT WAS... 285 00:18:29,319 --> 00:18:33,916 IT WAS HARD TO RECONNECT THE PERSON THAT I KNEW WITH THE CRIMES. 286 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:38,476 IT WAS SCARY, BUT MY INTENT IS TO SUPPORT SOMEONE WHO IS ON DEATH ROW, 287 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,476 WHETHER THEY ARE INNOCENT OR GUILTY. 288 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,075 SO IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO GO ON. 289 00:18:44,079 --> 00:18:46,476 I SPECIFICALLY LOOKED FOR SOMEONE 290 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,476 WHO HAD A LIFE-WITHOUT-PAROLE SENTENCE, 291 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,916 AND WHO HAD BEEN INCARCERATED SINCE THE AGE OF 18. 292 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:58,075 THAT MUST BE SO AWFUL, THAT YOU ARE 18 YEARS OLD, 293 00:18:58,079 --> 00:19:01,916 AND WE'RE TELLING YOU THAT YOU'RE GONNA DIE IN PRISON. 294 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,916 I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO WRITE SOMEONE IN PRISON 295 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,555 TO BRING THEM SOMETHING, 296 00:19:07,559 --> 00:19:10,755 AND I REALISED THAT IT'S A WIN-WIN SITUATION. 297 00:19:10,759 --> 00:19:14,436 LIKE, THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO BENEFIT FROM IT, BUT I DID TOO. 298 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,916 AND I LEARNED SO MUCH ABOUT THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, 299 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,196 AND ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON IN OUR PRISON. 300 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,236 AND WHEN DID YOU START TO REALISE 301 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,960 THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY AN ACTIVISM INVOLVED? 302 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,035 BY WRITING SOMEONE IN PRISON... 303 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:33,355 BY WRITING SOMEONE IN PRISON, I FEEL LIKE YOU LEARN A LOT. 304 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:34,595 I'VE LEARNT SO MUCH. 305 00:19:34,599 --> 00:19:38,436 AND I MET SIGRID ALONG THE WAY WHO WAS ALSO WRITING PEOPLE IN PRISON. 306 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,876 IT WAS IN 2014, AND WE BECAME FRIENDS. 307 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:47,156 AND IN 2019, I FEEL LIKE WE WERE BOTH READY TO 308 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,795 YOU KNOW, TO PLAY A BIGGER ROLE. 309 00:19:49,799 --> 00:19:53,075 AND THAT'S WHEN WE DECIDED TO CREATE WIRE OF HOPE. 310 00:19:53,079 --> 00:19:58,396 So you can scroll and browse the profiles on our site... 311 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,956 Click their picture to open their profile... 312 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,916 and find someone that you would like to write to 313 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:05,996 that you think you could connect with. 314 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,196 We believe people are more than the worst action of their life. 315 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:15,355 COMMUNITY GIVES US A SENSE OF BELONGING AND A SENSE OF BEHAVIOUR. 316 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,716 A COMMUNITY BECOMES A PLACE OF BELONGING AND IS A PLACE OF FIXING. 317 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,275 THERE'S A SAYING IN ISIXHOSA, "UMUNTU ULUNGISWA NGABANTU." 318 00:20:23,279 --> 00:20:26,755 THAT IS, WHEN SOMEONE DOES WRONG, PARTICULARLY A CHILD, 319 00:20:26,759 --> 00:20:28,436 I CAN DISCIPLINE THAT CHILD. 320 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,275 I DON'T NEED, NECESSARILY, TO BE A BIOLOGICAL PARENT 321 00:20:32,279 --> 00:20:35,555 OR A BIOLOGICAL AUNT OR A RELATIVE. 322 00:20:35,559 --> 00:20:40,515 I CAN TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF CORRECTING THAT BEHAVIOUR 323 00:20:40,519 --> 00:20:42,396 AND HELPING THIS CHILD TO BECOME BETTER. 324 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,476 WHEREAS ON THE OTHER SPECTRUM IS, 325 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,996 "I'll OPERATE IN MY WORLD AND DO AS I PLEASE." 326 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,275 'Cause 95 percent of the people currently incarcerated 327 00:20:50,279 --> 00:20:52,236 are going to be released eventually. 328 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,956 That means that whether we like it or not, those men and those women 329 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,240 are going to be living in our communities at some point. 330 00:21:00,519 --> 00:21:03,916 FOR SOME PEOPLE, IT'S REALLY HARD TO WRAP THEIR MIND AROUND, 331 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,035 "HOW CAN YOU REACH OUT TO SOMEONE WHO COMMITTED A CRIME? 332 00:21:07,039 --> 00:21:09,476 WHAT ABOUT THE VICTIMS? WE NEED TO HELP THE VICTIMS." 333 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,636 YES, WE DO, OF COURSE. BUT WE CAN DO BOTH. 334 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,196 A letter is a lifeline, 335 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,075 and it can mean the world for someone incarcerated. 336 00:21:17,079 --> 00:21:18,716 We are here to give you the keys 337 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,236 to the best and safest experience possible. 338 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:25,075 IT HAPPENS THAT PEOPLE DO FALL IN LOVE 339 00:21:25,079 --> 00:21:28,595 AFTER BEING SIMPLE PEN PALS TO BEGIN WITH. 340 00:21:28,599 --> 00:21:31,476 WE THEN SEE THE TRUE DESCRIPTION 341 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:36,236 OF UNCONDITIONAL POSITIVE REGARD AND UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, 342 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:41,916 THAT WHEN THIS PERSON COMES OUT, THIS PERSON WILL COME OUT AS A BETTER MAN. 343 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,476 YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I'M GONNA BE TELLING YOU, 344 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,755 "DO YOU!" LIKE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANNA DO, GO FOR IT. 345 00:21:47,759 --> 00:21:48,956 JUST BE CAREFUL." 346 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,275 - This is your man? - Yes. 347 00:21:51,279 --> 00:21:52,880 Look at the screen. 348 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,960 Mm.. That's mine. 349 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,795 And I'm gonna stick beside him. 350 00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:00,716 And that's what you're gonna settle for? 351 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,355 I'm gonna stick beside him. 352 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,196 THABO BESTER'S STORY 353 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,676 IS DEFINITELY GIVING A BAD NAME TO PROGRAMMES LIKE US, 354 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,956 BECAUSE THEN PEOPLE ASSOCIATE IT. 355 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,035 THEY'RE LIKE, "OH PEOPLE IN PRISON ARE BAD," 356 00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:14,555 AND THEY MANIPULATE PEOPLE ON THE OUTSIDE, 357 00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:18,315 AND THOSE WEBSITES ARE JUST HELPING THAT HAPPEN, 358 00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:20,956 WHEN THIS IS NOT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. 359 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,196 IT CAN BE AN EXPLOSIVE SITUATION 360 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,156 WHEN YOU HAVE A PERSON WHO IS ONLY LOOKING AT USING AND ABUSING, 361 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:32,319 AND A PERSON WHO IS ONLY LOOKING AT GIVING, YOU KNOW, AND BEING LOVING. 362 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,835 SO WHEN DID THINGS START TO FALL APART 363 00:22:36,839 --> 00:22:43,396 - BETWEEN HER AND HER HUSBAND? - UM.. I WOULDN'T HAVE A TIMELINE 364 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,396 BECAUSE I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT THINGS WERE FALLING APART, 365 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,996 IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. 366 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,795 EVEN THOUGH SHE IS A LOVING PERSON, DON'T GET ME WRONG, 367 00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:56,676 BUT TO GET HER TO TALK ABOUT HER FEELINGS AND EMOTIONS, 368 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,835 THAT'S NOT NANDIPHA. YEAH. 369 00:22:59,839 --> 00:23:02,636 Happy new month to you all. 370 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,956 I think we all go through challenges, 371 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:10,436 and some of us have had incredible challenges to overcome, 372 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,359 especially during the pandemic. 373 00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:16,075 COVID HIT ME. 374 00:23:16,079 --> 00:23:18,156 AS FREELANCERS, "NO WORK, NO PAY", 375 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,636 AND MY WIFE WAS UNEMPLOYED AT THAT TIME. 376 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,315 SO WE MOVED INTO THE COTTAGE AT THE HYDE PARK MANSION 377 00:23:24,319 --> 00:23:27,000 WHILE THE RENOVATIONS ARE TAKING PLACE. 378 00:23:31,759 --> 00:23:34,476 It's separate from the main house. 379 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,559 AND WE SORT OF BECAME AN EXTRA EYE ON THE CONSTRUCTION. 380 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,355 EVERYTHING WAS BRAND NEW IN THAT MANSION. EVERYTHING. 381 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:52,196 THEY TOOK DOWN THE CHANDELIERS, PUT NEW ONES, REDID THE KITCHEN, 382 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:58,436 REDID THE FLOOR, REDID THE STAIRS, REDID THE CEILING. 383 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,595 LIKE, IT WAS MADE TOTALLY BRAND NEW. 384 00:24:02,599 --> 00:24:04,236 Tennis court... 385 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,835 NANDIPHA HAD EXPLAINED THAT SHE HAD BOUGHT THE MANSION 386 00:24:07,839 --> 00:24:11,876 AS PART OF THE ARUM PROPERTY BUSINESS WITH TK NKWANA. 387 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,876 AND TK NKWANA WASN'T REALLY AWARE THAT WE ARE LIVING THERE. 388 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,519 AT THIS STAGE, I'D JUST FOUND OUT THAT HE WAS THABO BESTER... 389 00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:28,156 AND HE DIDN'T DENY THAT HE WAS THABO BESTER AFTER I'VE CAUGHT HIM. 390 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,035 HE DIDN'T DENY IT. HE SAID, "JA, SO? WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT?" 391 00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:34,115 TYPE OF MENTALITY. 392 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,436 AND THEN THAT'S WHEN I GOT, LIKE, A REAL SENSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. 393 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:45,115 AND NANDIPHA CALLS MY WIFE AND SAYS, ", TAKE THE KIDS AND LEAVE." 394 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:46,755 AND THIS IS LIKE IN MAY. 395 00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:49,956 IT'S WINTER IN JOBURG IN MAY, AND WE'VE GOT NOWHERE TO GO. 396 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,236 AND I ASKED NANDIPHA, 397 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,555 "CAN'T YOU GIVE US AT LEAST UNTIL END OF THE MONTH SO WE FIND A PLACE?" 398 00:24:55,559 --> 00:24:58,916 AND NANDIPHA WAS LIKE, "NO, TK HAS SPOKEN. 399 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:04,916 AND HE DOESN'T WANT YOU HERE. HE WANTS YOU TO MAKE ROOM FOR ZANDA. 400 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,916 ZANDA MOYO, THE GARDEN WORKER, CARETAKER GUY. 401 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,555 YOU NEED TO MAKE SPACE FOR HIM." 402 00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:13,799 NANDIPHA WAS LIKE, "YOU HAVE TO LEAVE." 403 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,075 THE FOLLOWING MORNING, AFTER WE GOT KICKED OUT, 404 00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:21,079 THAT'S WHEN I WROTE THE FACEBOOK POST. 405 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,236 MY LAWYER SAW IT 406 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,996 AND HE WAS VERY ANGRY, TOLD ME TO GET IT DOWN, 407 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,476 SO I TOOK IT DOWN, BUT SOMEONE HAD ALREADY SCREEN-GRABBED IT, 408 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,599 AND NANDIPHA WAS VERY UPSET ABOUT IT. 409 00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:40,319 AND SHE SUED ME. 410 00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:47,515 HENCE I WENT THROUGH COURT FOR A WHOLE YEAR FOR DEFAMATION. 411 00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:50,355 IT IS AMAZING THAT THABO BESTER 412 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:56,636 WAS EVEN ABLE TO USE THE SOUTH AFRICAN COURT OF LAW FOR HIS LIES, 413 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,236 YOU KNOW, TO DEFEND HIS LIES. 414 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,595 IT SHOWS HOW MUCH... 415 00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:06,916 HOW MUCH HE THOUGHT HE HAD INFLUENCE ON AUTHORITY. 416 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:12,355 THE FAMILY FELT FOR ME AND THEY SPOKE TO NANDIPHA TO WITHDRAW THE CASE. 417 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,555 MY MOTHER HAD TO BEG HER, AND NANDIPHA WITHDREW THE CASE. 418 00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:20,396 BUT THEN THE NPA DIDN'T WANNA DROP THE CASE. 419 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:25,236 EVENTUALLY, BECAUSE NANDIPHA WOULDN'T COME TO COURT TO BE A WITNESS, 420 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:30,156 THE MAGISTRATE FELT LIKE THEY'RE WASTING HIS TIME AND MY TIME, 421 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,039 AND HE WITHDREW THE CASE. 422 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,359 I THINK I TOLD EVERYONE IN THE FAMILY IT'S THABO BESTER. 423 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,519 BUT NO ONE LISTENED TO ME, AND... 424 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,555 DEFINITELY THE STORY IN EVERYONE'S HEAD IN THE FAMILY WAS, 425 00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:49,676 "NATHI'S JEALOUS THAT HE HAS NEVER REACHED THIS TYPE OF SUCCESS 426 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,279 AND PROBABLY WILL NEVER." 427 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,115 SO IT WAS JUST A "ME" THING, 428 00:26:55,119 --> 00:27:00,160 AND A BITTER PERSON TRYING TO DENT NANDIPHA'S IMAGE. 429 00:27:01,079 --> 00:27:06,236 WAS HE REALLY JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE HIS SISTER WAS SAFE? 430 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,676 OR WAS HE THINKING, 431 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:13,236 "MAYBE IF I PUBLICLY VOICE MY KNOWLEDGE OF THIS SITUATION, 432 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,759 I'll BE OFFERED SOME MONEY NOT TO TALK"? 433 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,795 Nandipha Magudumana's brother says 434 00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:31,555 he can't remember exactly how he asked his sister for money. 435 00:27:31,559 --> 00:27:33,075 Nathi, I just want to clarify, 436 00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:36,916 do you dispute that you were extorting your sister for money 437 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,039 to keep this a secret? 438 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,196 Like I said, I was intoxicated 439 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,436 and I don't even remember what I was doing 440 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,960 'cause of the emotions I was going through. 441 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,279 TO ME, IT WAS ABOUT JUSTICE, FAIRNESS... 442 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:59,636 ABOUT SAVING MY SISTER, AND ESPECIALLY ABOUT SAVING HER KIDS, 443 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,240 HER TWO LITTLE DAUGHTERS. 444 00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:09,835 Brace yourself. 445 00:28:09,839 --> 00:28:12,196 Today, the Health Professions Council of South Africa 446 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,876 stated that Dr Nandipha Magudumana 447 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,676 is actually not a registered doctor currently. 448 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,996 ...because she failed to pay annual fees. 449 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,315 Now, the medical watchdog says those fees were due in April 2021. 450 00:28:24,319 --> 00:28:27,676 WE KNOW, AT THIS POINT, THEY WERE RUNNING OTHER BUSINESSES. 451 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,636 ARUM PROPERTIES, WHAT WE NOW KNOW IS A FRAUDULENT CONSTRUCTION COMPANY. 452 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,636 THERE WERE MEDIA COMPANIES THAT WERE BEING RUN AS WELL. 453 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,555 SO IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT HER ATTENTION WAS DRAWN 454 00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:42,400 COMPLETELY AWAY FROM HER CAREER AS A MEDICAL DOCTOR. 455 00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:51,835 IT COULD ALSO BE PURE ARROGANCE. 456 00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:57,515 WE'VE SEEN QUITE A LOT OF THE-RULES-DON'T-APPLY-TO-ME BEHAVIOUR 457 00:28:57,519 --> 00:28:59,319 FROM DR MAGUDUMANA. 458 00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:03,835 SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO REMEMBER ABOUT THIS WHOLE PERIOD 459 00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:08,196 WHERE DR MAGUDUMANA WAS ENGAGING WITH THABO BESTER, 460 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:13,275 SHE WAS ESSENTIALLY SOCCER-MOMMING AND DOCTORING DURING THE WEEK, 461 00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:15,876 AND PERHAPS ON WEEKENDS 462 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,240 VISITING A CONVICTED SERIAL RAPIST AND MURDERER IN PRISON. 463 00:29:21,319 --> 00:29:25,436 I DID KNOW THAT NANDIPHA WOULD GO ON HOLIDAYS IN BLOEMFONTEIN, 464 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,396 BUT TO ME IT WAS MIND-BOGGLING, BECAUSE WHAT'S IN BLOEMFONTEIN? 465 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,555 SHE'S THE TYPE OF PERSON WHO WOULD GO TO BALI, 466 00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:34,795 OR IF IT'S IN SOUTH AFRICA, SHE'D BE IN ZIMBALI OR IN CAMPS BAY. 467 00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:40,396 WHEN I PUT THE DOTS TOGETHER, BESTER WAS INCARCERATED IN BLOEMFONTEIN. 468 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,956 IT NOW MAKES SENSE WHY SHE WOULD GO TO BLOEMFONTEIN, 469 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,359 EVEN BOOK A HOTEL FOR THE KIDS IN BLOEMFONTEIN. 470 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,075 THERE'S REPORTS OF AN INVOICE 471 00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:54,115 FROM TREDENHAM BOUTIQUE HOTEL IN BLOEMFONTEIN, 472 00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:56,035 NOT TOO FAR FROM THE PRISON. 473 00:29:56,039 --> 00:29:58,755 THE BOOKING WAS IN THE NAME OF TK NKWANA, 474 00:29:58,759 --> 00:30:02,355 AND THE DATE OF THE BOOKING WAS TWO MONTHS BEFORE THE ESCAPE. 475 00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:05,035 SO IT APPEARS, JUST BY LOOKING AT THAT, 476 00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:09,595 THAT THABO BESTER POSING AS TK NKWANA, STAYED AT THAT HOTEL. 477 00:30:09,599 --> 00:30:15,720 WE STARTED INVESTIGATING IT AND WE TRIED OUR BEST TO VERIFY THAT THEORY. 478 00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:22,315 I THINK IT WOULD BE PREMATURE TO SAY WITH CERTAINTY, 479 00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:25,480 THAT BESTER HAD WEEKENDS AWAY WITH MAGUDUMANA. 480 00:30:31,519 --> 00:30:33,196 THE PERSONA OF THABO BESTER 481 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,636 HAS BEEN BUILT UP AND PADDED WITH A LOT OF MYTH-MAKING, 482 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,755 WHEREAS A LOT OF THOSE MYTHS ARE NOT TRUE. 483 00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:44,595 WE SPOKE TO PRISON WARDENS AT THE PRISON 484 00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:46,555 WHO SAID IT'S NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE. 485 00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:48,315 SO THERE'S VERY LITTLE EVIDENCE 486 00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:51,640 THAT BESTER WAS ACTUALLY ALLOWED OUT OF THE PRISON. 487 00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:05,795 "In the days leading up to the Easter weekend, 2022", 488 00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:08,636 celebrity doctor, Nandipha Magudumana, 489 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,035 arrived in Bloemfontein. 490 00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:13,476 On Wednesday, the 13th of April, 491 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,400 Nandipha checks in at The Tredenham Boutique Hotel. 492 00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:21,599 "She'd booked online using the name TK Nkwana." 493 00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:24,436 WE KNOW THAT SHE CHECKED IN 494 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,396 BECAUSE SHE USED HER ID DOCUMENT AT THE CHECK-IN COUNTER 495 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,595 AND THEY TOOK A COPY OF IT. 496 00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:33,355 "She claims the body of an unidentified man" 497 00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:36,000 at the government mortuary in Bloemfontein. 498 00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:41,115 A burial was held at a cemetery in Bloemfontein, 499 00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:42,876 but the coffin with the body 500 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,799 "was swapped for one filled with boerewors." 501 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,035 POLICE SAY THAT MAGUDUMANA'S CAR WAS SPOTTED AT THE CEMETERY 502 00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:54,876 WHEN THIS BURIAL TOOK PLACE. 503 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,115 HOW MUCH BOEREWORS WOULD YOU HAVE TO BUY 504 00:31:57,119 --> 00:32:01,196 FOR IT TO BE THE AMOUNT FOR A BODY, AND HOW MUCH WOULD THAT COST? 505 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,476 YES. ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT MEAT IS SO EXPENSIVE IN SOUTH AFRICA. 506 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:10,795 IT RAISES QUESTIONS AS TO HOW MUCH MONEY THEY SPENT BUYING BOEREWORS, 507 00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:13,515 AND HOW MUCH BOEREWORS WAS USED, 508 00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:17,519 SO THAT IT COULD ACTUALLY SEEM AS IF IT WAS AN ACTUAL BODY IN THAT COFFIN. 509 00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:28,319 EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE DONE IS THIS FLASHY DISPLAY OF THEIR WEALTH. 510 00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:31,795 "On several occasions over the next few days, 511 00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:35,795 the CCTV cameras in the prison's Broadway section 512 00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:38,476 stop recording periodically. 513 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,996 Was this a failed attempt?" 514 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,676 WE HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THAT BODY 515 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,075 WOULD'VE BEEN USED IN PLANS FOR BESTER TO ESCAPE. 516 00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:50,795 BUT SOMETHING WENT WRONG AND THAT'S HOW THE BODY ENDED UP BEING DUMPED 517 00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:52,555 IN A RIVER NEAR BLOEMFONTEIN. 518 00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:54,636 "The body was discovered by police, 519 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,359 still with its morgue identification tag attached." 520 00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:05,476 THEN, ABOUT 20 DAYS AFTER CLAIMING THE FIRST BODY, 521 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,035 SHE CLAIMED A SECOND BODY, 522 00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:10,315 THIS TIME FROM THE NATIONAL HOSPITAL IN BLOEMFONTEIN. 523 00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:11,716 "She told officials 524 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,996 that the body belongs to the brother of her friend, Zanda Moyo. 525 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,839 This friend is also her gardener. 526 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:25,075 "Again, she conducts a funeral, swapping the body..." 527 00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:28,436 WITH THREE 10KG BAGS OF MAIZE MEAL. 528 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,440 IT SEEMS THAT THIS BODY WAS DESTINED FOR MANGAUNG PRISON. 529 00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:39,476 IT SEEMED AS IF NOBODY HAD CLAIMED THESE BODIES FOR A WHILE. 530 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,236 IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SHE HAD INSIDE INFORMATION 531 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,636 AND KNEW EXACTLY WHICH BODIES SHE HAD TO CLAIM. 532 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,396 There's no explanation as to how this woman is claiming bodies 533 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,396 that have no relation to her, from hospitals and morgues, 534 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,759 unless she's already dealing in human parts. 535 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,716 ARE THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED HERE, 536 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,876 THE CLAIMING OF BODIES IN THE DOCTOR'S NAME 537 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,555 FOR THE DUMPING IN THE RIVER, 538 00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:05,000 IS THAT BREAKING THE DOCTOR'S MORAL CODE? 539 00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:07,680 IT IS A NOBLE PROFESSION... 540 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,675 AND THAT'S WHAT WE TEACH THE JUNIOR DOCTORS EVERY DAY.. EVERY DAY, 541 00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:16,555 BECAUSE THE MINUTE THAT SOMEBODY COMES TO YOU FOR HELP, 542 00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:19,956 ALREADY THEY HAVE SUBJECTED THEMSELVES TO YOU 543 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,916 TO MAKE DECISIONS ON THEIR BEHALF, OR WITH THEM. 544 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,715 SO IF YOU ARE TO HOLD THAT MUCH POWER OR AUTHORITY 545 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:32,195 OVER ANOTHER HUMAN BEING, IT REQUIRES A CERTAIN LEVEL OF INTEGRITY. 546 00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:38,155 JUST UBUNTU. YOU MUST BE ABLE TO SEE THE OTHER IN THE LIGHT 547 00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,436 THAT YOU WANT TO BE SEEN IN. 548 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,715 TO CLAIM A BODY THAT IS NOT YOUR NEXT-OF-KIN AND DUMP IT, 549 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,039 IS BREAKING ALL OF THOSE CODES? 550 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,876 A MORE SERIOUS ONE IS, THE HUMAN REMAINS 551 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,515 ARE GOVERNED IN A VERY SPECIFIC WAY THAT IS DETAILED BY LAW 552 00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:02,956 IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE RIGHT OF THE DECEASED AND THE FAMILY. 553 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,396 BE IT BLOOD THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN FOR LABORATORY TESTING, 554 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,639 BE IT A LIMB THAT HAS BEEN AMPUTATED, BE IT A STILLBORN... 555 00:35:11,559 --> 00:35:13,796 SO IN IT, 556 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:19,195 I DON'T THINK DISPOSING OF A BODY IN AN UNCONVENTIONAL WAY 557 00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:20,715 WILL BE LOOKED AT IN A GOOD LIGHT. 558 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,155 A PERSON IS STILL A HUMAN BEING, 559 00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:25,599 WHETHER THEY HAVE GOT A HEARTBEAT OR NOT. 560 00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:29,476 WITH HOW THINGS HAVE UNFOLDED, 561 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:34,555 I THINK SHE DOES PRESENT WITH TRAITS OF ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITY DISORDER, 562 00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:36,675 AND I THINK IN THIS CASE, 563 00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:42,115 THERE'S BEEN A DISREGARD OF NORMS, THERE'S BEEN IMPULSIVITY. 564 00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:47,715 IT CALLS FOR A DEEPER ANALYSIS AND EXAMINATION OF, 565 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,476 "WHAT WAS HER MENTAL STATE AT THE TIME?" 566 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:56,396 AND IF SHE WAS WELL IN TERMS OF HOW SHE CAN THINK AND PROCESS THINGS, 567 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,916 THEN WE ARE PRIVY TO NANDIPHA'S DARK SIDE 568 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,796 OF KNOWING THAT SHE CAN BE THAT COLD. 569 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,515 YOU CANNOT FORGET THAT THIS WAS AN ORGANISED CRIME. 570 00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:09,916 THEY NEEDED A LOT OF MONEY TO PAY A LOT OF PEOPLE 571 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,075 IN THE ECOSYSTEM THAT WAS INVOLVED. 572 00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:13,436 IT WAS A WHOLE CHAIN, 573 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,155 AND THE EVENTS HAD TO TAKE PLACE IN A SPECIFIC MANNER. 574 00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:18,115 THEY HAD TO HAVE BODIES. 575 00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:20,155 THEY HAD TO HAVE SAFE HOUSES, 576 00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:21,756 THEY HAD TO HAVE VEHICLES. 577 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,396 THEY HAD TO HAVE IDENTITY DOCUMENTS AND PASSPORTS. 578 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,796 AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A MAXIMUM SECURITY PRISON, 579 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,715 THE PRICE JUST GETS EXPONENTIALLY HIGHER. 580 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,276 FOR THEM TO HAVE RAISED TENS OF MILLIONS, 581 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,916 MAYBE EVEN HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF RANDS IS NOT THAT UNLIKELY. 582 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,195 THEY WOULD'VE NEEDED TO FEEL COMFORTABLE 583 00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:43,756 THAT THEY HAD A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY IN RESERVE. 584 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,356 YOU ALSO NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH CRIMINALS, 585 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,235 YOU KNOW THEY COULD TURN ON YOU AT ANY MOMENT, 586 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,715 AND CHANCES ARE PEOPLE WOULD BLACKMAIL THEM OR EXTORT THEM 587 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,675 BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT HE HAD ESCAPED. 588 00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:58,316 SO GETTING INVOLVED IN THE UNDERWORLD FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF NANDIPHA 589 00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,920 MUST'VE BEEN EXCITING FOR HER. 590 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,876 THE WAY IN WHICH THE UNDERWORLD CONDUCTS THEMSELVES, 591 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,756 THEY'RE EXCEPTIONALLY CHARMING. 592 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:11,035 THEY TEND TO LIFT YOU UP IN TERMS OF WHO YOU ARE, 593 00:37:11,039 --> 00:37:14,035 BECAUSE THEY'RE PLAYING TO YOU. THEY'RE UNDERSTANDING YOUR DESIRES, 594 00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:16,675 THEY'RE UNDERSTANDING YOUR NEEDS, AND THEY PLAYING TO THAT. 595 00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:21,035 THEIR VICTIMS DON'T REALISE THAT THEY'VE LET THE CON ARTISTS KNOW 596 00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:22,876 EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. 597 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,515 More shocking evidence has come to light 598 00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:27,159 regarding Nandipha's involvement in the whole affair. 599 00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,675 THE BODY WAS ALLEGEDLY PUT INTO BESTER'S CELL 600 00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:34,195 AND BURNED BEYOND RECOGNITION, 601 00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:36,996 MAKING IT SEEM THAT BESTER HAD COMMITTED SUICIDE. 602 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,840 BUT MEANWHILE, BESTER HAD ESCAPED. 603 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,876 AROUND THE 5TH OF MAY, MAGUDUMANA AND HER FATHER, ZOLILE SEKELENI, 604 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,675 WENT TO THE FREE STATE MORGUE. 605 00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:52,195 THEY TOLD THE OFFICIALS AT THE MORGUE 606 00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:53,876 THEY WERE THERE TO COLLECT BESTER'S BODY. 607 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,796 MAGUDUMANA SAID THAT SHE WAS ON HIS CONTACT LIST. 608 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,320 SO MAGUDUMANA TOOK THE BODY FROM BLOEMFONTEIN TO A MORGUE IN SOWETO. 609 00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:05,836 POLICE REALISED TWO THINGS. 610 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,715 ONE, THEY HAD THE AUTOPSY RESULTS 611 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,235 WHICH SHOWED THAT THE BODY WAS DEAD BEFORE THE FIRE BROKE OUT. 612 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:15,515 AND, TWO, THEY SAW THIS WAS NOT THE FIRST BODY 613 00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:19,035 THAT MAGUDUMANA HAD CLAIMED IN RECENT WEEKS. 614 00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:22,756 THERE WERE PLANS MADE TO SEND THAT BODY TO A CREMATORIUM, 615 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,195 WHICH WOULD MAKE SENSE 616 00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:29,276 BECAUSE NOTHING WOULD TRACE THAT BODY BACK TO HER IN ANY POSSIBLE WAY. 617 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,715 SO I THINK THAT THAT'S WHY 618 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,159 SHE WANTED TO GET THAT BODY BACK WITH SO MUCH URGENCY. 619 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,675 WHEN MAGUDUMANA'S FATHER, ZOLILE SEKELENI, 620 00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:44,035 AND AN ASSISTANT WENT TO COLLECT THE BODY FROM THE MORGUE IN SOWETO, 621 00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:46,195 THEY WERE STOPPED BY POLICE. 622 00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:48,195 MAGUDUMANA THEN CALLED HER LAWYER, 623 00:38:48,199 --> 00:38:51,996 AND THE TWO DECIDED TO LAUNCH A HIGH COURT APPLICATION. 624 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,996 AND WE SENT ONE OF OUR REPORTERS TO VISIT THE HIGH COURT 625 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,515 TO TRY AND ACCESS THOSE PAPERS. 626 00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:01,675 AND HE SPENT NEARLY THE ENTIRE DAY 627 00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:04,436 TRYING TO GET HOLD OF THESE DOCUMENTS. 628 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,515 I JUST STARTED READING THROUGH WHAT NANDIPHA SAID. 629 00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:12,756 "INDEED, ON THE 6TH OF MAY, 2022, I BOOKED A FLIGHT TO BLOEMFONTEIN 630 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,155 TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DECEASED 631 00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:18,356 AND ALSO TO COLLECT HIS MORTAL REMAINS. 632 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,956 ON ARRIVAL IN BLOEMFONTEIN, 633 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:25,360 "I HAD TO FILL IN A NUMBER OF DOCUMENTS AS MARKED 'ANNEXURE VM4'." 634 00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:29,595 IT WAS SO STRANGE TO EVEN THINK THAT 635 00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:33,316 SHE COULD POSSIBLY BE INVOLVED WITH THABO BESTER. 636 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,476 IT WAS NOT ADDING UP WHATSOEVER. 637 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,480 I STILL FIND IT DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE THIS WHOLE THING. 638 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,316 IN HER AFFIDAVIT, SHE SAID THAT THEY MET IN 2006 639 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,555 WHILE SHE WAS STUDYING AT WITS UNIVERSITY, 640 00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:54,996 AND THAT THE FOLLOWING YEAR HE WENT TO CAPE TOWN TO STUDY AT UCT. 641 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,476 THIS IS OBVIOUSLY NOT TRUE, BECAUSE THABO BESTER NEVER WENT TO UNIVERSITY 642 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:00,996 AND IN FACT, HE DROPPED OUT OF SCHOOL. 643 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,276 IT WAS PUBLISHED IN SEVERAL MEDIA OUTLETS. 644 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,396 How Dr Nandipha Magudumana met Thabo Bester... 645 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,276 Who is Dr Nandipha, 646 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,555 and how did she end up being the Bonnie to Thabo Bester's Clyde? 647 00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:16,876 She met Thabo Bester while she was studying at WITS University. 648 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,436 PEOPLE EVENTUALLY STARTED THINKING THAT THIS MUST BE THE TRUTH, 649 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,876 BECAUSE IT DIDN'T SOURCE NANDIPHA'S AFFIDAVIT 650 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,555 AS WHERE THE INFORMATION WAS SOURCED FROM. 651 00:40:26,559 --> 00:40:29,035 AS THE DETAILS CAME OUT, 652 00:40:29,039 --> 00:40:34,075 WE REALISED HOW RECKLESS THE WHOLE ESCAPE PLOT WAS, 653 00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:38,035 AND DEFINITELY HOLLYWOODESQUE. I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT PYROTECHNICS, 654 00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:40,476 YOU'VE GOT COSTUMES, YOU'VE GOT FAKE BODIES. 655 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,115 IT'S LIKE A MOVIE UNTIL IT'S A MOVIE, 656 00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:44,235 AND THEN IT'S NOT LIKE A MOVIE ANYMORE. 657 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,956 THIS ENTIRE SAGA STARTED FEELING LIKE A TRUE CRIME PODCAST 658 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,559 THAT WE WERE LIVING IN. 659 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,436 GIVEN THE GRAVITY OF THE STORY AND THE NATURE OF IT, 660 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,155 I COULD TELL FROM THE BEGINNING 661 00:40:56,159 --> 00:41:01,635 THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO ONLY PUT ON MY INVESTIGATIVE HAT 662 00:41:01,639 --> 00:41:06,195 ONCE I ENTERED THE OFFICE, JUST TO STRIKE SOME SORT OF A BALANCE, 663 00:41:06,199 --> 00:41:09,075 BECAUSE I COULD TELL THAT IT WAS GOING TO AFFECT THINGS 664 00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:14,155 LIKE MY SLEEPING PATTERNS AND JUST MY DAILY OPERATIONS. 665 00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:16,996 I WAS ABLE TO STOP THE STORY FROM CONSUMING ME 666 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,115 JUST BY DECIDING FROM THE BEGINNING 667 00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:23,356 THAT I'M ONLY GOING TO DEAL WITH ANYTHING BESTER-RELATED 668 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,075 WHEN I'M IN THE OFFICE. 669 00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:27,635 AND DID DANIEL HAVE THE SAME KIND OF BOUNDARIES? 670 00:41:27,639 --> 00:41:30,035 DID HE MANAGE TO DO THE SAME THING? 671 00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:34,195 YOU MUST SPEAK TO HIM BECAUSE I THINK HE'LL GIVE YOU A WHOLE PIECE. 672 00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:36,195 'CAUSE HE.. YEAH, NO. 673 00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:41,956 FOR HIM, IT WAS BESTER IN THE MORNING, IN THE EVENING. 674 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,760 AND I DO REMEMBER THAT HE WAS GETTING VERY LITTLE SLEEP. 675 00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:48,756 THE STORY CONSUMED MY ENTIRE LIFE, EVEN MY PERSONAL LIFE, 676 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,235 AND I WAS PERFECTLY HAPPY FOR THAT BECAUSE IT WAS FUN AND EXCITING. 677 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,155 BUT IT ALL FELT A BIT OVERWHELMING, ACTUALLY. 678 00:41:56,159 --> 00:41:59,756 DID YOU EVER, AND DO YOU EVER, GET BESTER FATIGUE? 679 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,760 MM. I'VE GOT BESTER-FATIGUE RIGHT NOW. 680 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:05,876 I DO KNOW THAT TOWARDS THE END, 681 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,756 HE DID START SETTING SOME BOUNDARIES FOR HIMSELF. 682 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:15,195 SO I BELONG TO A GROUP OF MUSICIANS WHO PLAY IRISH MUSIC. 683 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,756 AND THAT ROUTINE OF PLAYING EVERY WEEK 684 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:29,039 HELPED ME TO JUST LET THOUGHTS COME AND GO AND TO PROCESS... 685 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,436 AND IT'S VERY RELAXING. 686 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,635 FROM QUITE EARLY AFTER THE ESCAPE, 687 00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:48,035 THEY SEEMED TO BE LIVING QUITE A LUXURIOUS, RELATIVELY PUBLIC LIFE. 688 00:42:48,039 --> 00:42:53,155 THERE ARE REPORTS THAT THEY DROVE AROUND IN PORSCHES AND ROLLS ROYCES, 689 00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:57,836 THAT BESTER TREATED HIMSELF TO DESIGNER CLOTHES AND WATCHES. 690 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,316 MAGUDUMANA STARTED INTRODUCING BESTER TO HER FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES 691 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:03,956 AS TK OR TOM. 692 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,555 TOGETHER THEY RAN THEIR COMPANY, ARUM PROPERTIES. 693 00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:09,476 AT ONE STAGE ON HER INSTAGRAM, 694 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,195 SHE POSTED A STORY OF BALLOONS ON HIS BIRTHDAY, 695 00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:15,876 NOT ALLUDING TO WHO IT WAS FOR. 696 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,715 SO EVERYONE IN HER CIRCLE KNEW ABOUT THIS NEW CHARACTER, 697 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,000 BUT DIDN'T KNOW WHO HE REALLY WAS. 698 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,876 IT'S ALMOST AS THOUGH SHE ENJOYS THE TEASE 699 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,996 OF THE TWO OF THEM SITTING THERE, POINTING THEIR FINGER AT THE WORLD, 700 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,316 AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING GOT AWAY WITH IT. 701 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,675 Videos of Thabo in the months after his escape 702 00:43:41,679 --> 00:43:45,155 are slowly but surely popping up all over social media. 703 00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:47,476 "I was almost human trafficked by them!" 704 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,599 I even said, "I have voice notes and videos of him." 705 00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:54,035 I met him, 706 00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:56,356 and Nandipha herself even called me 707 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,519 and assured me that this thing is legit. 708 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,675 THE "CITIZEN" REPORTED THAT MAGUDUMANA HAD, AT ONE STAGE, 709 00:44:03,679 --> 00:44:09,356 BOUGHT A MERCEDES IN 2022, BUT DEFAULTED ON HER PAYMENTS. 710 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:14,555 That particular Mercedes Benz has been abandoned in Zimbabwe. 711 00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:18,480 AND THEY TRACKED HER DOWN AND CONFRONTED HER IN A RESTAURANT. 712 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:20,555 I don't know if you wanna discuss this 713 00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:22,075 in front of your colleague. 714 00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:24,876 It's a personal matter with Carbon Black Auto, 715 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,235 where you took the car over the border to Zimbabwe. 716 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,316 You're still outstanding R700,000. There's a case opened against you. 717 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,956 - There's a docket against you. - Mm-hm? 718 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,800 So we just wanna try and sort this out amicably. 719 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,195 - You can speak in front of him. - Okay. 720 00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:42,595 So you started paying and you stopped paying. 721 00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:46,555 And the car also is across the board in Zimbabwe with false number plates. 722 00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:47,595 No. 723 00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:48,635 The car's still standing at the border. 724 00:44:48,639 --> 00:44:50,115 We've tracked the car to the border. 725 00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:51,839 The Hawks are on it, yeah. 726 00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:56,756 AND YOU SEE HER VERY COOLLY, KINDA SHRUGGING HIM OFF, 727 00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,115 AND THEN.. AND THEN EATING HER AVOCADO TOAST. 728 00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:04,195 This man done used Dr Nandipha's name and dragged her through the mud 729 00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:07,075 and took her for everything! 730 00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:08,679 There's the vehicle. 731 00:45:09,559 --> 00:45:13,480 It's an S-Class. S63 AMG. 732 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,956 Never put your name, reputation, and life on the line for a man. 733 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,396 It just got worse! 734 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,880 It just got worse! 735 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,115 TWITTER IS MY MORNING NEWSPAPER. 736 00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:31,515 I HAD JUST WOKEN UP 737 00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:35,476 AND I SAW THAT BESTER AND NANDIPHA WERE TRENDING AGAIN. 738 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,480 AND THERE WAS THIS VOICE NOTE MAKING THE ROUNDS. 739 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,035 The aggression in the male person's voice, 740 00:45:54,039 --> 00:45:59,396 which has been alleged as Thabo Bester, comes across. 741 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,916 Clearly, the intent is to intimidate. 742 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,155 Whether it's a one-off event or it's part of a continued pattern 743 00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:10,316 that is a perfect example of emotional abuse. 744 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:11,920 The voice note continues. 745 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,555 SO WHEN THIS VOICE NOTE FIRST APPEARED, 746 00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:48,235 THERE WAS QUITE A WAVE OF CHANGED OPINION AROUND NANDIPHA. 747 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,796 Hey, you know, 748 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,836 I think it's time for us women to have an honest conversation 749 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,276 about why it is that we are always attracted to bad men. 750 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:02,195 IF IT IS REAL, IT IS POSSIBLY EVIDENCE OF BESTER'S TANTRUMS 751 00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:05,436 AND EPISODES OF NARCISSISTIC RAGE, 752 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,956 AND SHOWS, PERHAPS, THE EMOTIONAL POWER THAT HE HAD OVER MAGUDUMANA. 753 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,675 SO WE DON'T KNOW THE ORIGINS OF THAT VOICE NOTE. 754 00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:17,635 I BELIEVE THAT THE VOICE NOTE IS REAL. IT'S AUTHENTIC. 755 00:47:17,639 --> 00:47:22,836 I'VE SPOKEN TO THABO BESTER ON MANY OCCASIONS IN THE PAST, 756 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,195 AND THAT'S HIS VOICE, AND NO ONE CAN TELL ME OTHERWISE. 757 00:47:26,199 --> 00:47:28,079 THAT VOICE IS AUTHENTIC. 758 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,595 IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THABO'S PERSONALITY STRUCTURE, 759 00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:37,916 COERCIVE CONTROL IS SOMETHING THAT FITS THE PICTURE, CLINICALLY. 760 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:42,356 AND FOR AS LONG AS NANDIPHA NEEDED TO FULFIL HIS FUNCTIONS, 761 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,035 THERE WAS NO WAY SHE COULD LEAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP. 762 00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:50,396 IT HAS TO BE THABO WHO WOULD HAVE NOT NEEDED HER. 763 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,756 COERCIVE CONTROL IS A VERY STICKY SPIDERWEB THAT CATCHES 764 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:59,796 EVEN THE MOST INTELLIGENT AND EDUCATED OF MEN AND WOMEN. 765 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:05,956 IT IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT SHE PURPOSEFULLY COMMITTED THESE CRIMES, 766 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:12,555 INTENDED TO COMMIT THESE CRIMES, AND SIMULTANEOUSLY WAS SOMEHOW VICTIMISED 767 00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:17,715 BY SOME FORM OF COERCIVE CONTROL, ABUSIVE BEHAVIOUR, 768 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,956 BECAUSE THOSE TWO THINGS DON'T HAVE TO BE SEPARATE. 769 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,316 THEY CAN EXIST IN THE SAME, YOU KNOW, TIME AND SPACE. 770 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,876 THERE'S A MASTER AND ONE WHO NEEDS TO BE A SUBORDINATE. 771 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,476 AND I CAN IMAGINE THE PSYCHOLOGICAL STRAIN 772 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,916 THAT THEN CAME AS A RESULT OF THAT CONTROL. 773 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,276 I KNOW HIS ANGER AND HIS TONE, 774 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,115 AND I KNOW NANDIPHA'S TONE WHEN SHE FEELS CORNERED, 775 00:48:42,119 --> 00:48:48,119 WHICH MEANS SHE WAS A PRISONER. A PRISONER LIVING FREELY. 776 00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:11,316 Stop telling us that Nandipha is a victim! 777 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,115 All these people that are busy telling us 778 00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:17,876 that Nandipha Magudumana is a victim, and Thabo Bester manipulates... 779 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:23,235 DR MAGUDUMANA'S PROFESSIONAL REPUTATION WAS QUITE HEIGHTENED. 780 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:27,756 AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STOOD OUT TO ME IN HER REPRESENTATIONS 781 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:32,115 WAS THAT SHE HAD A DEEP INTEREST 782 00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:35,280 IN THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF WOMEN. 783 00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:39,956 I really advocate for people and for women... 784 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:44,599 AT THE SAME TIME, SHE WAS VISITING A SERIAL PREDATOR IN PRISON. 785 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,555 WHAT'S GOING ON? 786 00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:57,675 IS THIS WOMAN BEING COERCED? I DON'T KNOW. 787 00:49:57,679 --> 00:50:02,760 TO ME, THIS FEELS LIKE.. YOUR PARTNER IN CRIME. 788 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:08,195 I'M NOT SAYING LIFE IS BLACK AND WHITE AND THERE IS NO GREY AREA, 789 00:50:08,199 --> 00:50:13,756 BUT THE LENGTHS THAT SHE ALLEGEDLY WENT THROUGH TO ASSIST HIM, 790 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,675 A CONVICTED RAPIST, 791 00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:17,635 I CAN'T CONFIDENTLY SAY 792 00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:22,396 THAT I THINK SHE'S AN INNOCENT VICTIM IN ALL OF THIS. 793 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:23,675 AS A PSYCHOLOGIST, 794 00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:26,916 WHO WOULD BE THE MORE INTERESTING PATIENT FOR YOU? 795 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,920 THE MORE INTERESTING PATIENT FOR ME WOULD BE NANDIPHA. 796 00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:32,796 BECAUSE OF HER COMPLEXITIES, 797 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,316 HER BACKGROUND, HER BEING A MEDICAL DOCTOR. 798 00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,276 BUT MOSTLY, I WOULD LOVE TO WORK ON HER REHABILITATION, 799 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,356 AS TO HOW SHE'S GOING TO HEAL, 800 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,715 AND HOW SHE'S GOING TO HELP HER CHILDREN 801 00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,715 UNDERSTAND THAT SOCIAL STIGMA, 802 00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,476 THE GENERATIONAL BURDEN THAT THEN COMES WITH THE NARRATIVE OF... 803 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,836 I THINK THAT'S WHAT THESE CHILDREN WILL SUFFER. 804 00:50:58,639 --> 00:51:01,155 AFTER WE PUBLISHED THAT ARTICLE, 805 00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:03,555 AND AFTER IT BECAME CLEAR THAT THEY'D ESCAPED, 806 00:51:03,559 --> 00:51:07,119 EVERYONE WAS TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE THEY WERE. 807 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,876 MAGUDUMANA AND BESTER FLED THE COUNTRY 808 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,360 TWO DAYS AFTER WE PUBLISHED OUR ARTICLE. 809 00:51:14,199 --> 00:51:17,675 BY THIS STAGE, EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THEY'D GONE TO, 810 00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:19,555 WE KNEW THAT THEY'D GONE ON THE RUN. 811 00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:23,916 THABO BESTER AND NANDIPHA MAGUDUMANA WERE TRENDING ON TWITTER. 812 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,035 OUR PHONE WAS RINGING OFF THE HOOK AT THE OFFICE WITH TIPOFFS, 813 00:51:27,039 --> 00:51:29,436 PEOPLE CLAIMING TO HAVE SPOTTED THEM. 814 00:51:35,159 --> 00:51:36,876 SO THE FOLLOWING DAY, 815 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:42,276 WE GOT HOLD OF THE LANDLORD OF THE HOME THAT NANDIPHA HAD BEEN LEASING. 816 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,675 THEY SAID THEY HAD NO IDEA THAT IT WAS THABO BESTER, 817 00:51:44,679 --> 00:51:49,115 THAT THE LEASE AGREEMENT WAS SIGNED BY MAGUDUMANA AND TK NKWANA, 818 00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:53,356 AND THAT THE CONTRACT WAS SIGNED EVEN WHILE BESTER WAS STILL IN PRISON. 819 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,635 AND HE CONFIRMED THAT AFTER THEY HAD FLED, 820 00:51:56,639 --> 00:51:59,916 BOUNCERS HAD PITCHED UP AND COLLECTED HER THINGS. 821 00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:02,715 WE WERE TOLD THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARRIVED THERE 822 00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,396 CAME IN A BLUE LIGHT BRIGADE. 823 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,635 THEY WERE WEARING FANCY DESIGNER SHOES AND WATCHES. 824 00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:11,956 SOME OF THEM WERE ARMED, BUT THEN THE LANDLORD WENT TO STOP THEM, 825 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,675 BECAUSE SOME OF THE STUFF THEY WERE CARRYING OUT, 826 00:52:14,679 --> 00:52:16,356 HE SAID, BELONGED TO HIM. 827 00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,760 AND THERE WAS A BIT OF A PHYSICAL ALTERCATION. 828 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:30,476 THERE ARE PICTURES OF NANDIPHA AND THABO BESTER THAT HAVE EMERGED 829 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,035 AS THEY WERE LEAVING THE COUNTRY. 830 00:52:33,039 --> 00:52:37,916 YOU CAN SEE NANDIPHA IN THE PASSENGER SIDE WITH SUNGLASSES ON, 831 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,035 RELAXED, CHILLED. 832 00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:43,679 THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE SOMEONE WHO'S... 833 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,360 I DON'T KNOW, AFRAID FOR HER LIFE. 834 00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:51,396 SO I THINK THEY FLED SOUTH AFRICA 835 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,155 WITH EVERY INTENTION OF SETTING UP LIFE SOMEWHERE ELSE 836 00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:56,595 UNDER ASSUMED IDENTITIES. 837 00:52:56,599 --> 00:52:58,715 AFRICA WELCOME PEOPLE WITH MONEY. 838 00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,996 THEY'RE NOT AS STRINGENT IN THEIR VETTING REQUIREMENTS. 839 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,316 AND I THINK THIS IS WHAT THABO AND NANDIPHA WERE LOOKING FOR. 840 00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,996 THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A COUNTRY IN THE AFRICAN CONTEXT 841 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,996 THAT WOULD ACCEPT THEM, NOT NECESSARILY KNOW WHO THEY ARE, 842 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,396 BUT ACCEPT THEM FOR THE FACT THAT THEY APPEAR TO BE MONEYED. 843 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:20,195 IF YOU'RE MONEYED AND THE PERCEPTION IS YOU CAN INVEST IN THAT COUNTRY, 844 00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:21,796 OR YOU CAN START A BUSINESS, 845 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,555 YOU CAN ENGAGE WITH THE LOCALS, EMPLOY PEOPLE, 846 00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:27,280 PEOPLE TEND TO GLOSS OVER YOUR BACKGROUND. 847 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,195 WE WERE TOLD BY MAGUDUMANA'S BROTHER 848 00:53:31,199 --> 00:53:35,396 THAT MAGUDUMANA HAD CONTACTED HER FATHER FROM MOZAMBIQUE. 849 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,075 BUT EVEN AT THAT TIME, 850 00:53:37,079 --> 00:53:40,396 WE STILL HAD TO TAKE WHAT HE SAID WITH A PINCH OF SALT, 851 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,316 BECAUSE HE MIGHT HAVE HAD A MOTIVE TO PROTECT HIS SISTER, 852 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:49,035 AND PERHAPS HE WAS PURPOSEFULLY GIVING US WRONG INFORMATION. 853 00:53:49,039 --> 00:53:52,436 NKOSINATHI PROVIDED US WITH A MOZAMBICAN CELLPHONE NUMBER 854 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:57,476 THAT MAGUDUMANA HAD SUPPOSEDLY USED TO CONTACT HER FATHER. 855 00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,756 AND WE SHARED THIS EVIDENCE WITH THE POLICE. 856 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,916 THE POLICE DIDN'T ACKNOWLEDGE THAT EVIDENCE. 857 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,635 AROUND THE SAME TIME, ZOLILE DID AN INTERVIEW WITH ENCA. 858 00:54:07,639 --> 00:54:10,235 Nandipha Magudumana's father, 859 00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,836 says he's really worried about his daughter. 860 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,555 What did she say to you? 861 00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:17,035 She said she's in hiding. 862 00:54:17,039 --> 00:54:20,675 And are you perhaps worried about her? 863 00:54:20,679 --> 00:54:23,599 How can I not be worried about my daughter? 864 00:54:24,519 --> 00:54:27,235 ALTHOUGH I DID FEEL SOMEWHAT SYMPATHETIC 865 00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:31,075 FOR ZOLILE BEING CONCERNED ABOUT HIS DAUGHTER'S SAFETY, 866 00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:35,235 I WAS ALSO VIEWING HIM AS A PERSON OF INTEREST, 867 00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,555 BECAUSE IN NANDIPHA'S AFFIDAVIT, 868 00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:41,276 SHE MENTIONED THAT ZOLILE AND HER ASSISTANT 869 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,880 WENT TO COLLECT THE BODY FROM THE MORGUE IN SOWETO. 870 00:54:50,159 --> 00:54:52,115 IT WAS TWO WEEKS AFTER MAGUDUMANA AND BESTER 871 00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:57,595 HAD VACATED THEIR MANSION THAT THE POLICE WENT TO RAID THE MANSION. 872 00:54:57,599 --> 00:54:59,195 WE WERE HOPING AND BELIEVING 873 00:54:59,199 --> 00:55:01,115 THE GOVERNMENT WOULD BE INVESTIGATING THIS, 874 00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:04,035 BUT IT SEEMED THAT THE POLICE WEREN'T DOING ANYTHING AT ALL. 875 00:55:04,039 --> 00:55:05,356 AND BY THIS TIME, 876 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,635 EVERY NEWS PLATFORM IN THE COUNTRY HAD VISITED AND HAD BEEN IN IT. 877 00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:11,075 I THINK A LOT OF SOUTH AFRICANS 878 00:55:11,079 --> 00:55:13,035 REALLY BELIEVED THAT WAS THE END OF IT, 879 00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:15,436 THAT WE WERE NOT GONNA GET THEM BACK. 880 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:19,115 I THINK BESTER AND MAGUDUMANA ALSO THOUGHT THEY'D GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT. 881 00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:22,035 AND I THINK A LOT OF US, INCLUDING ME, THOUGHT, 882 00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:24,276 "YOU KNOW, WELL I REALLY FEEL SORRY FOR HIS VICTIMS NOW, 883 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,115 BECAUSE NOW HE'S OUT THERE LIVING HIS LIFE." 884 00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:29,476 Prior to the fire, somebody got killed. 885 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,555 We still don't know who that somebody is, but these guys do. 886 00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:34,756 ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT REMAINED WAS, 887 00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,996 "IF IT WASN'T THABO BESTER'S BODY THAT WAS IN THE CELL, WHOSE WAS IT?" 888 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,155 Breaking news this evening. 889 00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:42,396 The police have identified the charred body 890 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,476 used in Thabo Bester's escape. 77195

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