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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:33,797 --> 00:00:36,508 [birds chirp] 2 00:00:37,718 --> 00:00:42,556 [David] How good would it be to hang out with these guys. 3 00:00:42,973 --> 00:00:44,182 [chuckles] 4 00:00:44,307 --> 00:00:47,645 These are three of my friends. 5 00:00:49,271 --> 00:00:52,776 "Hey, hey, you're not a real bird." 6 00:00:52,816 --> 00:00:54,319 "I'm a real bird." 7 00:00:54,359 --> 00:00:56,905 "You're not a real bird!" 8 00:00:56,945 --> 00:00:58,490 "I'm a real bird." 9 00:00:58,530 --> 00:01:01,159 "You're a really weird-looking bird." 10 00:01:01,199 --> 00:01:05,581 "But at least I'm a real bird. You're not even a real bird." 11 00:01:05,621 --> 00:01:08,000 "You're not even a real... bird." 12 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,586 "But you're the weirdest-looking bird" 13 00:01:10,626 --> 00:01:12,961 "I've ever seen." 14 00:01:13,671 --> 00:01:14,297 "What do you think?" 15 00:01:14,337 --> 00:01:18,341 "Oh, if I know one thing, I'm very handsome." 16 00:01:20,719 --> 00:01:24,600 That's actually how I think when I paint! It is! 17 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,687 Underneath, you know, people say this really serious shit. 18 00:01:28,727 --> 00:01:32,858 That's actually what I think. Yeah. 19 00:01:32,898 --> 00:01:35,819 I've always thought, especially when I was younger 20 00:01:35,859 --> 00:01:36,736 at school and stuff 21 00:01:36,776 --> 00:01:40,407 and you're being presented with what the status quo is, 22 00:01:40,447 --> 00:01:43,576 I've always thought there's gotta be a better way. 23 00:01:43,617 --> 00:01:45,829 You know, like, I'll be talking to someone 24 00:01:45,869 --> 00:01:47,455 and they'll say, "What are you?" 25 00:01:47,495 --> 00:01:49,790 I say, "Artist." And they go... 26 00:01:51,541 --> 00:01:58,008 "Oh, you guys are weird." And I go, "Fuck off." 27 00:01:58,048 --> 00:02:01,969 [rock'n'roll instrumental plays] 28 00:02:13,647 --> 00:02:14,983 I know nobody like David. 29 00:02:15,023 --> 00:02:19,321 It's like you can't help but be drawn to just... 30 00:02:19,361 --> 00:02:21,489 Just to listen and experience David. 31 00:02:21,529 --> 00:02:24,034 All you have to do is ask him one question and, well, 32 00:02:24,074 --> 00:02:24,910 you're there for a few hours, 33 00:02:24,950 --> 00:02:26,328 and you'll go on a ride with him. 34 00:02:26,368 --> 00:02:27,245 At the end of the three hours, 35 00:02:27,285 --> 00:02:28,580 you won't know the answer to the question 36 00:02:28,620 --> 00:02:31,750 but, oh, my God, you would've laughed, you may have cried. 37 00:02:31,790 --> 00:02:34,878 You might be completely shocked or overwhelmed 38 00:02:34,918 --> 00:02:38,048 and you probably learnt a shit load of stuff 39 00:02:38,088 --> 00:02:39,631 along the way. 40 00:02:40,674 --> 00:02:41,634 He's a complete free spirit 41 00:02:41,675 --> 00:02:43,553 and he'll roll in whatever direction he wants. 42 00:02:43,593 --> 00:02:47,681 If it pleases you or it doesn't, he doesn't really care. 43 00:02:49,557 --> 00:02:52,896 How David Bromley is not a member of a rock'n'roll band, 44 00:02:52,936 --> 00:02:56,024 I think, is one of life's great mysteries and tragedies 45 00:02:56,064 --> 00:02:57,484 because he's far more rock'n'roll 46 00:02:57,524 --> 00:03:01,071 than most of the people I know in rock'n'roll bands. 47 00:03:01,111 --> 00:03:04,241 He's a creative genius. He's a lunatic. 48 00:03:04,281 --> 00:03:06,201 He's mad as a cut snake. 49 00:03:06,241 --> 00:03:07,202 Exterminate! 50 00:03:07,242 --> 00:03:09,371 He's a Peter Pan of the art world, 51 00:03:09,411 --> 00:03:12,665 and still sees the world like a kid. 52 00:03:12,706 --> 00:03:15,835 It's pretty hard to categorise David in a few words 53 00:03:15,875 --> 00:03:17,669 'cause he's everywhere. 54 00:03:21,548 --> 00:03:22,843 Whether it's on a cup, 55 00:03:22,883 --> 00:03:25,428 in a shopping centre or a beautiful painting 56 00:03:25,468 --> 00:03:28,306 or a sculpture, it can only be a Bromley. 57 00:03:28,346 --> 00:03:34,730 He's one of these people who's made art accessible to everyone. 58 00:03:34,770 --> 00:03:36,189 He wants to be like The Beatles. 59 00:03:36,229 --> 00:03:38,358 He wants everyone to have one of his greatest hits. 60 00:03:38,398 --> 00:03:42,402 Everyone wants a Bromley. Everyone wants a Bromley. 61 00:03:43,528 --> 00:03:46,448 [music continues] 62 00:03:46,907 --> 00:03:48,911 There's a word that I'm so often called, 63 00:03:48,951 --> 00:03:51,246 you know, being sort of commercial. 64 00:03:51,286 --> 00:03:53,371 Like, fuck yeah. 65 00:03:56,959 --> 00:04:00,380 David Bromley should look out because being that super popular 66 00:04:00,420 --> 00:04:05,383 is not great necessarily for a long-term reputation. 67 00:04:05,508 --> 00:04:07,971 He produces likeable images. 68 00:04:08,011 --> 00:04:11,474 Yeah, yeah, yeah, some more David Bromley. 69 00:04:11,514 --> 00:04:14,269 The weakness is there's nothing more to it. 70 00:04:14,309 --> 00:04:17,564 I think his work is just purely decorative, it really is. 71 00:04:17,604 --> 00:04:21,900 I think you go... And then you walk on. 72 00:04:27,197 --> 00:04:29,076 A lot of mud has been thrown at him 73 00:04:29,116 --> 00:04:32,077 but he's not gonna change, is he? 74 00:04:33,036 --> 00:04:34,164 I disagree fundamentally 75 00:04:34,204 --> 00:04:38,085 with much of what is written critically about him 76 00:04:38,125 --> 00:04:40,920 'cause I think that David has become iconic. 77 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,921 [laughter] 78 00:04:47,217 --> 00:04:50,178 [Dialogue unintelligible] 79 00:04:57,519 --> 00:05:01,148 [distant bird calls] 80 00:05:09,990 --> 00:05:12,117 This is to make me... 81 00:05:12,242 --> 00:05:15,538 This is to make me I wouldn't say normal, 82 00:05:15,578 --> 00:05:18,623 but this is to 83 00:05:19,166 --> 00:05:21,211 I have different parts of my body. 84 00:05:21,251 --> 00:05:23,463 I just took the one for my stomach. 85 00:05:23,503 --> 00:05:24,714 That's the one for my brain, 86 00:05:24,754 --> 00:05:27,300 and I actually forget what this one's for. 87 00:05:27,340 --> 00:05:33,889 -[Yuge] Cholesterol, is it? -Maybe cholesterol, yeah. 88 00:05:35,014 --> 00:05:36,934 Is the good stuff. 89 00:05:38,060 --> 00:05:42,605 Gigi Hadid and Zayn Malik are expecting a baby. 90 00:05:44,858 --> 00:05:46,609 How delightful. 91 00:05:48,195 --> 00:05:54,411 When I met Yuge at first, once we started to really gel 92 00:05:54,451 --> 00:05:57,247 and make a commitment to each other, 93 00:05:57,287 --> 00:06:01,293 you know, sharing a life and build a life together, 94 00:06:01,333 --> 00:06:04,754 my complete anxiety 95 00:06:04,794 --> 00:06:07,966 and sense of, um, you know, 96 00:06:08,006 --> 00:06:10,009 the sheer pain that I feel inside 97 00:06:10,049 --> 00:06:14,932 or the phobias or the fears or the anxieties or whatever, 98 00:06:14,972 --> 00:06:20,896 I know that I would say Yuge's name over and over in my mind 99 00:06:20,936 --> 00:06:23,731 as a sort of form of ballast. 100 00:06:23,771 --> 00:06:27,069 So, it's sort of, like, I would mention her name 101 00:06:27,109 --> 00:06:30,822 as a way of keeping myself sane. 102 00:06:30,862 --> 00:06:31,406 You know, it's OK, 103 00:06:31,446 --> 00:06:36,119 the world completely and utterly blows my mind 104 00:06:36,159 --> 00:06:38,288 and I have trouble not skidding off the tracks 105 00:06:38,328 --> 00:06:43,041 because, you know, I just find everything so big. 106 00:06:45,043 --> 00:06:50,590 Alright, now, guys, I might show you where I'm working. 107 00:06:50,715 --> 00:06:53,929 Obviously, out there, there, there, there. 108 00:06:53,969 --> 00:06:57,889 There, there, there, there, there. 109 00:06:58,640 --> 00:06:59,059 Ooh! 110 00:06:59,099 --> 00:07:00,059 These have worked out well. 111 00:07:00,099 --> 00:07:04,354 [Yuge] Yeah, they're fun as can be. 112 00:07:05,105 --> 00:07:07,690 Fun as can be. 113 00:07:08,191 --> 00:07:11,571 David doesn't like wasting a single minute 114 00:07:11,611 --> 00:07:13,448 of productive time. 115 00:07:13,488 --> 00:07:17,827 If he's in the studio, he's in the studio and he's painting. 116 00:07:17,867 --> 00:07:19,496 That's probably the problem. 117 00:07:19,536 --> 00:07:21,289 You know, people think that he's... 118 00:07:21,329 --> 00:07:26,378 He's just banging things out but it's not. He just can't... 119 00:07:26,418 --> 00:07:29,672 Standing still is not an option. 120 00:07:29,712 --> 00:07:32,840 [rock'n'roll track plays] 121 00:07:37,136 --> 00:07:39,141 David Bromley just seems to have over-produced 122 00:07:39,181 --> 00:07:43,351 and there doesn't seem to be any editing to it. 123 00:07:43,643 --> 00:07:46,648 It's not just the art, I've got the coffee table, 124 00:07:46,688 --> 00:07:49,108 I've got coasters, I've got mugs. 125 00:07:49,148 --> 00:07:54,571 I've got pillows. I've got throws. I have boxes. 126 00:07:55,363 --> 00:07:56,241 Commercial pop art. 127 00:07:56,281 --> 00:07:57,575 That's where he sits in the art scene, 128 00:07:57,615 --> 00:08:02,830 as a highly marketable, highly successful pop artist. 129 00:08:02,870 --> 00:08:07,752 I mean, he's achieved a sort of Warhol level of ubiquity 130 00:08:07,792 --> 00:08:09,254 and that, I think, in many ways, 131 00:08:09,294 --> 00:08:11,839 has been both his triumph and his downfall. 132 00:08:11,879 --> 00:08:15,177 Some critics said as a derogatory thing, you know, 133 00:08:15,217 --> 00:08:17,429 "Bromleys are only good for holiday houses 134 00:08:17,469 --> 00:08:18,221 and children's bedrooms." 135 00:08:18,261 --> 00:08:23,435 Oh, two of my favourite places. The funnest places in the world. 136 00:08:23,475 --> 00:08:26,063 ♪ And it's running like a freight train ♪♪ 137 00:08:26,103 --> 00:08:29,191 People buy it to decorate their homes 138 00:08:29,231 --> 00:08:31,318 because it's very recognisable. 139 00:08:31,358 --> 00:08:34,237 Their friends will come over, instantly go, 140 00:08:34,277 --> 00:08:35,863 "Oh, that's a David Bromley." 141 00:08:35,903 --> 00:08:36,323 [horn toots] 142 00:08:36,363 --> 00:08:40,035 The biggest characteristic of an upper-middle class family 143 00:08:40,075 --> 00:08:40,868 in Australia 144 00:08:40,908 --> 00:08:42,161 is not a Range Rover, 145 00:08:42,201 --> 00:08:43,871 it's not kids at private schools, 146 00:08:43,911 --> 00:08:46,749 it's not a beach house, it is this. 147 00:08:46,789 --> 00:08:50,169 I swear David Bromley runs this town. 148 00:08:50,209 --> 00:08:51,088 ♪ Won't sleep tonight ♪ 149 00:08:51,128 --> 00:08:53,215 [David] When I first started making art, you know, 150 00:08:53,255 --> 00:08:57,219 decorative, bad word, nostalgic, bad word, 151 00:08:57,259 --> 00:08:58,970 happiness, bad word, craft. 152 00:08:59,010 --> 00:09:02,555 And I just took those and built a career. 153 00:09:03,098 --> 00:09:04,809 [song continues] 154 00:09:04,849 --> 00:09:09,021 If you're OK with portraits of women naked from the waist up, 155 00:09:09,062 --> 00:09:12,191 if you're OK with little kids '50s style 156 00:09:12,231 --> 00:09:15,445 or animals or whatever, the art's for you. 157 00:09:15,485 --> 00:09:18,781 Some people find it easy to dismiss his work 158 00:09:18,821 --> 00:09:20,199 as something pretty simplistic. 159 00:09:20,239 --> 00:09:23,661 It's figurative but there's no great depth to it. 160 00:09:23,701 --> 00:09:25,497 I furiously disagree with that. 161 00:09:25,537 --> 00:09:30,001 It's extraordinarily sophisticated like the man is. 162 00:09:30,041 --> 00:09:30,627 He's multi-layered, 163 00:09:30,667 --> 00:09:35,173 and beware the silly person who takes him lightly 164 00:09:35,213 --> 00:09:37,717 because there's a formidable intellect 165 00:09:37,757 --> 00:09:39,719 behind those friendly eyes. 166 00:09:39,759 --> 00:09:42,097 It just looks like it's been photographed, 167 00:09:42,137 --> 00:09:43,223 traced or stencilled. 168 00:09:43,263 --> 00:09:44,849 There's no poetry to his work. 169 00:09:44,889 --> 00:09:50,105 We do have people who seem to leave the house 170 00:09:50,145 --> 00:09:52,607 with the intention of coming into the gallery 171 00:09:52,647 --> 00:09:56,736 to tell us that they fuckin' hate David Bromley's work. 172 00:09:56,776 --> 00:09:57,987 They're upset because, like, 173 00:09:58,027 --> 00:10:00,323 how can he be good, do what he does, 174 00:10:00,363 --> 00:10:04,869 seemingly easily, and be rewarded for that? 175 00:10:04,909 --> 00:10:07,162 I don't know, ask him. 176 00:10:08,621 --> 00:10:11,749 Oh, this is so exciting. Oh! 177 00:10:11,958 --> 00:10:13,918 John! Steamroller! 178 00:10:14,043 --> 00:10:15,713 Hey, baby, we're gonna steamroll. 179 00:10:15,753 --> 00:10:17,340 -Awesome, I'm coming. -Cool. 180 00:10:17,380 --> 00:10:18,800 I haven't been waiting days for this, 181 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,884 I've been waiting my whole life for this. 182 00:10:23,803 --> 00:10:27,184 Fuckin' great. I love smashed-up shit. 183 00:10:27,224 --> 00:10:31,102 [laughter, David yells in wild voice] 184 00:10:32,229 --> 00:10:35,482 If I was you, I'd ask as well. 185 00:10:37,108 --> 00:10:41,156 They're on a wooden frame, of course, stapled on, 186 00:10:41,196 --> 00:10:42,407 and I put two pack on them. 187 00:10:42,447 --> 00:10:45,452 That's just smashed all the frames, buckled all up. 188 00:10:45,492 --> 00:10:48,746 And just the other day when I knew this was coming, I thought, 189 00:10:48,786 --> 00:10:51,708 "Fuck, I'll flatten you out, you bastard." 190 00:10:51,748 --> 00:10:53,666 [David chuckles] 191 00:10:53,750 --> 00:10:56,128 This has done something, I reckon, 192 00:10:56,169 --> 00:10:58,465 but it's tearing all the edges and stuff 193 00:10:58,505 --> 00:11:00,592 which personally I think is fucking cool. 194 00:11:00,632 --> 00:11:03,803 Yuge, just when I think I couldn't love you more. 195 00:11:03,843 --> 00:11:08,975 Do a burn-out on it, Yuge. How cute does she look in that! 196 00:11:09,015 --> 00:11:11,353 Has that got something underneath it? 197 00:11:11,393 --> 00:11:11,853 Yeah. 198 00:11:11,893 --> 00:11:15,355 Yeah, no, it's got something underneath... oh! 199 00:11:16,273 --> 00:11:20,652 Get with the program, David. Come on, baby! 200 00:11:22,945 --> 00:11:26,493 In the first couple of years of our relationship, 201 00:11:26,533 --> 00:11:27,785 there was another Yuge. 202 00:11:27,825 --> 00:11:32,665 I'd reached a real milestone in my own career as a lawyer, 203 00:11:32,705 --> 00:11:35,502 and I was doing well and I really enjoyed it, 204 00:11:35,542 --> 00:11:37,795 but I wanted to take this new direction, 205 00:11:37,835 --> 00:11:42,259 and, even when I started my clothing label, you know, 206 00:11:42,299 --> 00:11:45,595 I was so desirous to be fiercely independent. 207 00:11:45,635 --> 00:11:48,180 Oh, keep going, baby. No, keep going. 208 00:11:48,221 --> 00:11:50,141 Fucking smash the shit out of it. 209 00:11:50,181 --> 00:11:50,808 Yeah, keep going. 210 00:11:50,848 --> 00:11:56,398 In the very early days, I would feel incredibly self-conscious 211 00:11:56,438 --> 00:11:59,692 with my place in David's world, 212 00:11:59,732 --> 00:12:02,111 and then it was like this light-bulb moment 213 00:12:02,151 --> 00:12:06,032 maybe a year or so down the track when I realised 214 00:12:06,072 --> 00:12:11,370 that I was in such a fortunate position as a fashion designer 215 00:12:11,410 --> 00:12:15,124 to have one of the most iconic artists in Australia 216 00:12:15,164 --> 00:12:20,379 just open his absolute world to me. 217 00:12:20,419 --> 00:12:20,922 OK, bubba. 218 00:12:20,962 --> 00:12:23,550 And I thought, well, let's cut the bullshit. 219 00:12:23,590 --> 00:12:28,513 Any fierce determination to be independent. 220 00:12:28,553 --> 00:12:30,557 Why? You're married. 221 00:12:30,597 --> 00:12:32,850 You know, you've got kids together. 222 00:12:32,890 --> 00:12:36,813 I'm so proud to be linked there. 223 00:12:36,853 --> 00:12:38,315 That's better! 224 00:12:38,355 --> 00:12:41,400 That sounds a little bit more like action. 225 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,946 David and I started opening more galleries together. 226 00:12:44,986 --> 00:12:47,073 I felt more confident in my voice 227 00:12:47,113 --> 00:12:49,033 and expressing certain ideas. 228 00:12:49,073 --> 00:12:52,702 And, yeah, we felt like a team. 229 00:12:54,454 --> 00:12:55,290 Is that the accelerator? 230 00:12:55,330 --> 00:12:58,626 That's slow throttle, that's a bit more throttle. 231 00:12:58,666 --> 00:12:59,586 You're accelerating... 232 00:12:59,626 --> 00:13:02,295 Slow down, slow down! Pull it back! 233 00:13:03,796 --> 00:13:04,299 [Yuge laughs] 234 00:13:04,339 --> 00:13:07,258 God, it is harder to drive, isn't it? 235 00:13:10,762 --> 00:13:12,847 Whoa! Stop! 236 00:13:14,432 --> 00:13:15,267 Stop! 237 00:13:15,308 --> 00:13:17,226 Oh, my God! 238 00:13:17,644 --> 00:13:20,522 Yuge, why did you let me in there? 239 00:13:21,147 --> 00:13:24,527 All my premonitions came to reality. 240 00:13:24,567 --> 00:13:30,490 No, but I'm just dropping, get it to be totally fucked up. 241 00:13:32,617 --> 00:13:36,581 You would be an idiot to think that David stands alone. 242 00:13:36,621 --> 00:13:40,752 David only functions because of the unit that they have. 243 00:13:40,792 --> 00:13:43,462 Together, that crazy madness 244 00:13:43,502 --> 00:13:46,215 that is their mental life and love, 245 00:13:46,255 --> 00:13:50,637 you feel the bubble of energy that is the love 246 00:13:50,677 --> 00:13:53,137 that runs between David and Yuge. 247 00:13:53,220 --> 00:13:53,931 [both laugh] 248 00:13:53,971 --> 00:13:55,392 Her influence on him has been, 249 00:13:55,432 --> 00:13:57,519 yeah, I think it's been profound. 250 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:02,481 She's this incredible balance for this man. 251 00:14:02,521 --> 00:14:04,732 She deserves some awards. 252 00:14:05,858 --> 00:14:07,779 I thought I did lots of skulls 253 00:14:07,819 --> 00:14:09,321 'cause I quite like the idea 254 00:14:09,362 --> 00:14:11,949 of a person's head turning into a skull. 255 00:14:11,989 --> 00:14:18,039 David's brain is so fast and not necessarily compartmentalised. 256 00:14:18,079 --> 00:14:19,374 Somebody like Yuge, 257 00:14:19,414 --> 00:14:20,875 who's able to make sense of 258 00:14:20,915 --> 00:14:24,086 large bits of very abstract information, 259 00:14:24,126 --> 00:14:26,879 I mean, she's just invaluable. 260 00:14:34,053 --> 00:14:35,930 Just whack it on this. 261 00:14:36,806 --> 00:14:38,601 Um, shall we set up by the fire? 262 00:14:38,641 --> 00:14:42,521 Sounds perfect and I'll bring the lighthouse over as well. 263 00:14:42,561 --> 00:14:44,523 Beautiful. 264 00:14:44,563 --> 00:14:47,233 [paint sloshing] 265 00:14:50,570 --> 00:14:51,823 I think I went through that stage 266 00:14:51,863 --> 00:14:52,657 where I never wanted to paint 267 00:14:52,697 --> 00:14:55,076 another fucking lighthouse in my life. 268 00:14:55,116 --> 00:14:59,581 But it's amazing how time goes by and you go, 269 00:14:59,621 --> 00:15:03,541 "Oh, how good is this, painting a lighthouse." 270 00:15:05,084 --> 00:15:08,379 They're just such beautiful things. 271 00:15:09,922 --> 00:15:15,387 When I was younger, I saw them as wonderful beacons 272 00:15:15,428 --> 00:15:18,598 to keep you off the rocks. 273 00:15:18,931 --> 00:15:19,558 I think, you know, 274 00:15:19,598 --> 00:15:25,690 I was so desperate to keep myself off the rocks. 275 00:15:25,730 --> 00:15:32,779 You know, I think I found them to be wonderfully poignant. 276 00:15:35,072 --> 00:15:37,409 My own adolescence was quite horrific. 277 00:15:37,450 --> 00:15:41,038 You know, as I was changing and my voice was breaking, 278 00:15:41,078 --> 00:15:46,293 so was my sanity and it felt very much like 279 00:15:46,333 --> 00:15:50,630 I was falling through something. 280 00:15:53,466 --> 00:15:57,597 I had some, sort of, um, schizophrenic happenings 281 00:15:57,637 --> 00:16:00,349 and some major phobias 282 00:16:00,389 --> 00:16:02,601 and stuff starting to develop, 283 00:16:02,641 --> 00:16:07,897 and I was just fuckin' on edge the whole time. 284 00:16:08,773 --> 00:16:11,068 When I first started having these problems, 285 00:16:11,108 --> 00:16:13,903 I mean, I just thought I was fucked. 286 00:16:14,028 --> 00:16:15,614 I mean, I'd be running from, 287 00:16:15,654 --> 00:16:18,409 like, telegraph pole to telegraph pole 288 00:16:18,449 --> 00:16:22,705 because I couldn't stand, you know, in one place 289 00:16:22,745 --> 00:16:26,543 because I thought I was gonna get sucked into the vortex 290 00:16:26,583 --> 00:16:27,960 of the atmosphere. 291 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,172 I just remember my hands just sweating 292 00:16:31,212 --> 00:16:32,549 'cause I'd look up at the sky 293 00:16:32,589 --> 00:16:33,966 and the infiniteness of it and stuff, 294 00:16:34,006 --> 00:16:37,720 and it'd just totally and utterly freak me out. 295 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,222 You know, and I'd have dreams at night 296 00:16:40,262 --> 00:16:43,059 of being stuck between two wires, 297 00:16:43,099 --> 00:16:44,519 between two buildings, 298 00:16:44,559 --> 00:16:46,646 and then I'd put myself into a position 299 00:16:46,686 --> 00:16:47,897 where I'd be walking along the beach 300 00:16:47,937 --> 00:16:49,648 with a friend and suddenly realise 301 00:16:49,688 --> 00:16:51,776 that I'm four kilometres away from the car, 302 00:16:51,816 --> 00:16:54,278 and I'm too embarrassed to tell my friend. 303 00:16:54,318 --> 00:16:57,488 How do you tell them in 15 seconds 304 00:16:57,614 --> 00:16:58,741 that you've got this thing 305 00:16:58,781 --> 00:17:00,201 that you don't even know what it is 306 00:17:00,241 --> 00:17:02,203 but I'd need to go and jump in the water 307 00:17:02,243 --> 00:17:04,831 because I felt like I was falling off the earth. 308 00:17:04,871 --> 00:17:08,292 ♪ Yeah, I've been waiting for this day to come ♪ 309 00:17:08,332 --> 00:17:11,295 ♪ For a long, long time ♪♪ 310 00:17:11,335 --> 00:17:13,756 ♪ Yeah, I'm gonna break these chains ♪ 311 00:17:13,796 --> 00:17:16,133 ♪ And feel the sweet sunshine ♪♪ 312 00:17:16,173 --> 00:17:19,136 And that's why I started drinking so much 313 00:17:19,176 --> 00:17:19,804 because, you know, 314 00:17:19,844 --> 00:17:21,889 if I had a certain amount to drink, 315 00:17:21,929 --> 00:17:25,977 it would dispel some of these problems. 316 00:17:26,017 --> 00:17:27,436 But, I mean, I got to the stage 317 00:17:27,476 --> 00:17:30,397 where I was comfortable for about a minute 318 00:17:30,437 --> 00:17:32,441 and then I'd be unconscious. 319 00:17:32,481 --> 00:17:36,779 I mean, if I acted like how I felt inside, you know, 320 00:17:36,819 --> 00:17:41,157 I'd be like, "Yeah, yeah, argh!" 321 00:17:41,824 --> 00:17:46,038 It sheerly terrified me 322 00:17:46,078 --> 00:17:50,334 of how fricking abnormal I felt. 323 00:17:50,374 --> 00:17:55,422 Let alone what that did to people around me 324 00:17:55,462 --> 00:18:00,176 who considered it an incredible flaw. 325 00:18:00,635 --> 00:18:03,054 You feel like saying, well 326 00:18:03,888 --> 00:18:05,224 please don't 327 00:18:05,264 --> 00:18:09,436 please, you know, please hang around... 328 00:18:09,476 --> 00:18:13,983 Please hang around for the things that I am, you know? 329 00:18:14,023 --> 00:18:16,901 ♪ This other mind ♪♪ 330 00:18:18,903 --> 00:18:22,324 I fell down a pothole that I couldn't get out of 331 00:18:22,364 --> 00:18:24,366 for about five years. 332 00:18:24,491 --> 00:18:27,329 I worked out that I had two things to do. 333 00:18:27,369 --> 00:18:31,250 One was to be active and to exercise. 334 00:18:31,290 --> 00:18:35,337 And the other one was to be purposeful, find a career, 335 00:18:35,377 --> 00:18:40,301 totally and utterly commit to it, be addicted to it. 336 00:18:40,341 --> 00:18:42,178 ♪ Yeah, I'm gonna break these chains ♪♪ 337 00:18:42,218 --> 00:18:46,639 ♪ And feel the sweet sunshine ♪♪ 338 00:18:46,889 --> 00:18:47,767 I was at a market one day 339 00:18:47,807 --> 00:18:51,478 and there was a woman standing there with her pottery. 340 00:18:51,518 --> 00:18:55,815 I said to this woman, "How do you be a potter?" 341 00:18:56,023 --> 00:18:56,734 "Can I do classes?" 342 00:18:56,774 --> 00:18:58,527 And she said, "Well, we're full and you gotta wait." 343 00:18:58,567 --> 00:19:04,158 It was just like, "No. No. No, no, no, I'm doin' it now." 344 00:19:04,198 --> 00:19:07,870 I'm committed to something and this is what it's gonna be 345 00:19:07,910 --> 00:19:10,372 and, you know, I used to work in there and stuff. 346 00:19:10,412 --> 00:19:15,252 Fuck, man, I felt like... I felt just incredible. 347 00:19:15,292 --> 00:19:18,756 ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪♪ 348 00:19:18,796 --> 00:19:19,674 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 349 00:19:19,714 --> 00:19:23,510 I went into a local art show to show my pottery. 350 00:19:23,550 --> 00:19:25,930 I put some paintings in as well and, anyway, 351 00:19:25,970 --> 00:19:30,392 I turned up there and they said, "Oh, we wanted to talk to you." 352 00:19:30,432 --> 00:19:33,310 "We'd like to give you an exhibition." 353 00:19:33,602 --> 00:19:35,064 I walked over to my pottery 354 00:19:35,104 --> 00:19:37,483 and they said, "Oh, is that your stuff there?" 355 00:19:37,523 --> 00:19:40,903 And I thought, "Oh, no, they've got the wrong dude." 356 00:19:40,943 --> 00:19:42,780 And they said, "What about these paintings?" 357 00:19:42,820 --> 00:19:46,242 And I'm like, "Oh, yeah, they're mine too." 358 00:19:46,282 --> 00:19:47,994 And they're like, "So, are you a painter?" 359 00:19:48,034 --> 00:19:50,872 And I'm like, "Yeah, I'm a painter." 360 00:19:50,912 --> 00:19:53,457 And I just said to myself, "I'm a fuckin' painter." 361 00:19:53,497 --> 00:19:56,002 "I'm a painter, I'm a painter, I'm a painter." 362 00:19:56,042 --> 00:19:56,919 Got rid of the kiln 363 00:19:56,959 --> 00:20:01,423 and I just painted, like, 15, 18 hours a day. 364 00:20:01,463 --> 00:20:05,301 [rock'n'roll instrumental plays] 365 00:20:15,937 --> 00:20:17,732 Some of the greatest joys in my life 366 00:20:17,772 --> 00:20:23,485 were the beginnings of my art career when I had nothing. 367 00:20:23,610 --> 00:20:27,239 [music continues] 368 00:20:30,367 --> 00:20:30,912 People say, you know, 369 00:20:30,952 --> 00:20:32,747 "Gee, the texture on your painting's interesting." 370 00:20:32,787 --> 00:20:36,208 Well, I started that off by, when I finished an exhibition, 371 00:20:36,248 --> 00:20:37,043 I couldn't afford new canvases 372 00:20:37,083 --> 00:20:41,172 so I'd paint over all the others, sometimes four times. 373 00:20:41,212 --> 00:20:42,714 I didn't have the money. 374 00:20:42,755 --> 00:20:43,674 If I couldn't afford paint, 375 00:20:43,714 --> 00:20:46,885 I'd go down the beach and I'd find old bits of plastic 376 00:20:46,925 --> 00:20:47,636 and stuff like that, 377 00:20:47,676 --> 00:20:51,390 and I didn't give a shit whether galleries liked them or not. 378 00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:53,100 'Cause they liked them because they were selling 379 00:20:53,140 --> 00:20:58,604 and, you know, from where I'd come from, everything was good. 380 00:21:02,900 --> 00:21:05,945 [quiet jazz music playing] 381 00:21:08,114 --> 00:21:12,078 So, can you just explain where you get your ideas from, 382 00:21:12,118 --> 00:21:13,162 you know, as an artist? 383 00:21:13,202 --> 00:21:17,249 My work has just about always from the beginning 384 00:21:17,289 --> 00:21:19,210 had figures in it. 385 00:21:19,250 --> 00:21:21,628 I've always been fairly concerned with 386 00:21:21,668 --> 00:21:23,672 interacting people in my work 387 00:21:23,712 --> 00:21:27,343 'cause, to me, it's the thing that fascinates me most in life 388 00:21:27,383 --> 00:21:30,679 is how we all get on, how we all interact. 389 00:21:30,719 --> 00:21:34,141 So, I try and portray a sort of, like, a journey 390 00:21:34,181 --> 00:21:36,435 and that's where the lighthouse comes in 391 00:21:36,475 --> 00:21:38,270 and so showing direction, 392 00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:40,522 all the children working together 393 00:21:40,562 --> 00:21:43,067 to try and get from A to B, and not just, 394 00:21:43,107 --> 00:21:45,527 like, physically from one place to the other 395 00:21:45,567 --> 00:21:47,696 but I suppose emotionally as well. 396 00:21:47,736 --> 00:21:48,739 And so I suppose he's, sort of... 397 00:21:48,779 --> 00:21:51,909 You could say, well, you know, he wants to get back to shore 398 00:21:51,949 --> 00:21:55,121 or you could say he's also finding it really hard 399 00:21:55,161 --> 00:21:55,954 at that point in his life 400 00:21:55,994 --> 00:21:58,499 and he's trying to reach out for understanding. 401 00:21:58,539 --> 00:21:59,750 But, between, you know, the two of them 402 00:21:59,790 --> 00:22:02,753 they've got this little raft so maybe that's the vehicle 403 00:22:02,793 --> 00:22:04,881 that gets them to, you know, 404 00:22:04,921 --> 00:22:07,965 like, a bigger life or a better life. 405 00:22:08,049 --> 00:22:10,011 I think there was a time about 15 years ago 406 00:22:10,051 --> 00:22:13,264 when he was considered to be an up and comer, you know, like... 407 00:22:13,304 --> 00:22:14,974 He had a breakthrough, you know, 408 00:22:15,014 --> 00:22:16,975 had a few successful exhibitions. 409 00:22:17,015 --> 00:22:20,312 The work had an instant visual appeal. 410 00:22:20,352 --> 00:22:24,901 One of his nudes went for over $50,000 at an auction. 411 00:22:24,941 --> 00:22:28,112 He said that wasn't making him happy. 412 00:22:28,152 --> 00:22:29,071 David would say, 413 00:22:29,111 --> 00:22:31,073 "You look back at all of my 414 00:22:31,113 --> 00:22:33,075 emails with my past art dealers," 415 00:22:33,115 --> 00:22:36,954 "you will not find a single creative conversation." 416 00:22:36,994 --> 00:22:38,789 I knew him when he was represented 417 00:22:38,829 --> 00:22:41,708 by one of the great galleries in Sydney 418 00:22:41,748 --> 00:22:44,420 and also one of the great galleries in Melbourne. 419 00:22:44,460 --> 00:22:47,631 He was then, when he had those representations, 420 00:22:47,671 --> 00:22:50,009 a very respected and respectable artist, 421 00:22:50,049 --> 00:22:54,680 but he felt constrained by just having to produce, 422 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,098 say, ten or 12 works a year. 423 00:22:56,138 --> 00:23:03,064 His need to produce more and to show more of what was inside him 424 00:23:03,104 --> 00:23:04,648 was just too great. 425 00:23:04,688 --> 00:23:06,442 He wanted to make pottery again 426 00:23:06,482 --> 00:23:09,320 and he wanted to create bags or things, 427 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:12,656 and it was poo-pooed by so many of his gallerists. 428 00:23:12,696 --> 00:23:14,825 "Like, no-one's going to take you seriously" 429 00:23:14,865 --> 00:23:18,079 "because that's just stupid." 430 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:23,375 He decided that that wasn't the arena he wanted to be in 431 00:23:23,415 --> 00:23:27,421 and he got badly ousted from it. 432 00:23:27,461 --> 00:23:29,673 The curators never forgive you 433 00:23:29,713 --> 00:23:35,179 for moving outside the area where they are the gatekeepers. 434 00:23:35,219 --> 00:23:38,056 If the artist only sells exclusively 435 00:23:38,096 --> 00:23:41,018 via this particular dealer or gallery, 436 00:23:41,058 --> 00:23:44,646 there is a certain group of people that benefits from it 437 00:23:44,686 --> 00:23:45,231 like the people... 438 00:23:45,271 --> 00:23:49,360 The big collections and obviously the dealers as well. 439 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:50,319 You have a commercial gallery 440 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,656 and they'll take 50%, sometimes 60% of the exhibition. 441 00:23:54,696 --> 00:23:56,158 Then you'll have to pay tax after that. 442 00:23:56,198 --> 00:23:58,995 You'll have to pay all your materials, your rent. 443 00:23:59,035 --> 00:24:00,704 Even if you were very successful, 444 00:24:00,744 --> 00:24:02,331 you're not left with much. 445 00:24:02,371 --> 00:24:04,625 Bromley in some ways is a genius 446 00:24:04,665 --> 00:24:05,834 'cause he sort of looked at it and go, 447 00:24:05,874 --> 00:24:08,254 "Well, I can go beyond that relationship 448 00:24:08,294 --> 00:24:10,381 "and sell directly to the market," 449 00:24:10,421 --> 00:24:13,467 "just push all of those guys out of the way." 450 00:24:13,507 --> 00:24:15,886 But, you know, it comes with a downside. 451 00:24:15,926 --> 00:24:18,639 Financially, people say that it's not a good thing 452 00:24:18,679 --> 00:24:19,098 to over-produce 453 00:24:19,138 --> 00:24:24,020 because it devalues any of the individual pieces you've made 454 00:24:24,060 --> 00:24:25,646 because there's so many of them. 455 00:24:25,686 --> 00:24:28,024 But I think where Bromley sits in all of that 456 00:24:28,064 --> 00:24:30,901 is probably what makes him so powerful. 457 00:24:30,941 --> 00:24:33,029 I mean, he doesn't seem to be 458 00:24:33,069 --> 00:24:35,906 just making stuff in a warehouse. 459 00:24:35,946 --> 00:24:38,450 He's kind of in all of these places. 460 00:24:38,490 --> 00:24:40,076 [tram bell dings] 461 00:24:41,368 --> 00:24:43,372 [David] Mixey, mixey, mixey! 462 00:24:43,412 --> 00:24:49,211 We are creating a Bromley Sushi Sushi store. 463 00:24:49,251 --> 00:24:54,216 Yeah, that's it, yeah. What are we doing here? 464 00:24:54,256 --> 00:24:55,301 Where are we? 465 00:24:55,341 --> 00:24:57,678 So, the little characters we invented 466 00:24:57,718 --> 00:25:03,349 about, I don't know, three months ago, and, uh 467 00:25:04,225 --> 00:25:05,769 we love them now. 468 00:25:05,809 --> 00:25:08,605 Now they've become very dear to us. 469 00:25:08,645 --> 00:25:13,777 Now we see them as family, almost real. 470 00:25:13,817 --> 00:25:16,738 Come on, little man, out you come. 471 00:25:16,778 --> 00:25:18,324 "No, I want to stay in here!" 472 00:25:18,364 --> 00:25:22,661 Hey, Dibby, do you want Benny to bash out a cool quote up there? 473 00:25:22,701 --> 00:25:27,583 Be pretty fun to sit and read something really cool. 474 00:25:27,623 --> 00:25:28,917 Yeah, I just need a word. 475 00:25:28,957 --> 00:25:32,171 -Just go Japanese proverb. -OK, OK. 476 00:25:32,211 --> 00:25:35,674 It is the man who drinks the first bottle of sake, 477 00:25:35,714 --> 00:25:37,676 then the second bottle drinks the first 478 00:25:37,716 --> 00:25:41,222 and finally it is the sake that drinks the man. 479 00:25:41,262 --> 00:25:45,101 That's how I gave up smoking. American Indian... 480 00:25:45,141 --> 00:25:47,728 American Indians saying, 481 00:25:47,768 --> 00:25:50,231 first, you will smoke the cigarette, 482 00:25:50,271 --> 00:25:52,566 then the cigarette will smoke you. 483 00:25:52,606 --> 00:25:54,901 If the fish is kind to the water, 484 00:25:54,941 --> 00:25:57,279 the water will be kind to the fish. 485 00:25:57,319 --> 00:25:59,198 I think, when you're sitting there eating it, 486 00:25:59,238 --> 00:26:02,743 that's probably, like, all thrown out the window. 487 00:26:02,783 --> 00:26:04,870 Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. 488 00:26:04,910 --> 00:26:07,164 -Teach a man to fish... -This is your idea. 489 00:26:07,204 --> 00:26:10,292 -Come on. Give it to me. -Oh, my gosh, sorry. 490 00:26:10,332 --> 00:26:14,171 -OK, I'm taking over this... -Quote... 491 00:26:14,211 --> 00:26:15,922 -Quote concept. -OK, OK. 492 00:26:15,962 --> 00:26:19,260 [laughs] I'm reading Keith Richards quotes. 493 00:26:19,300 --> 00:26:24,221 The idea of retiring is like killing yourself. I love that. 494 00:26:24,888 --> 00:26:26,433 Everyone talks about rock these days. 495 00:26:26,473 --> 00:26:29,643 The problem is they forget about the roll. 496 00:26:30,018 --> 00:26:31,605 The sushi roll. Right? 497 00:26:31,645 --> 00:26:35,526 What about "Everything you can imagine is real"? 498 00:26:35,566 --> 00:26:37,861 I love that quote. Is that Van Gogh? 499 00:26:37,901 --> 00:26:39,988 -Picasso. -Picasso, yeah. 500 00:26:40,028 --> 00:26:40,989 Beautiful. 501 00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:43,950 Everything you can imagine is real. 502 00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:48,914 Maybe butterflies on the right, then head over there, 503 00:26:48,954 --> 00:26:51,915 and then expand them the other way. 504 00:26:52,458 --> 00:26:54,378 People say, "Oh, he's so commercial." 505 00:26:54,418 --> 00:26:56,213 And I just think, "But what does that mean?" 506 00:26:56,253 --> 00:27:00,384 You know, like, how do you come to that as a criticism 507 00:27:00,424 --> 00:27:01,259 or a judgement? 508 00:27:01,299 --> 00:27:04,054 Do you have to go out and buy your paints? Yes. 509 00:27:04,094 --> 00:27:06,473 Do you have to buy your canvases? Yes. 510 00:27:06,513 --> 00:27:07,183 You need a studio. 511 00:27:07,223 --> 00:27:08,934 You either own it or you rent it. 512 00:27:08,974 --> 00:27:11,685 It's all a commercial process. 513 00:27:15,439 --> 00:27:18,276 It's often seen as, if you're too commercial, 514 00:27:18,316 --> 00:27:21,322 if you print your work on tea towels, 515 00:27:21,362 --> 00:27:23,574 then it's devaluing it 516 00:27:23,614 --> 00:27:28,078 but it's not really devaluing the work. 517 00:27:28,118 --> 00:27:29,746 It's devaluing pieces 518 00:27:29,786 --> 00:27:33,790 that a bunch of rich collectors have bought. 519 00:27:33,915 --> 00:27:37,171 One day, I was in the kitchen and I looked down at my Vegemite 520 00:27:37,211 --> 00:27:39,255 and it had his name on it. 521 00:27:39,713 --> 00:27:41,049 And then I was in the chemist 522 00:27:41,089 --> 00:27:45,135 and I saw that he has an eau de cologne collection. 523 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,308 [David] The process of doing something like this 524 00:27:49,348 --> 00:27:49,933 is fantastic. 525 00:27:49,973 --> 00:27:52,143 I usually go back to my core element 526 00:27:52,184 --> 00:27:54,730 of just a very simple desire 527 00:27:54,770 --> 00:27:59,526 to see my work in unexpected situations. 528 00:27:59,566 --> 00:28:01,528 Not for a minute do I think 529 00:28:01,568 --> 00:28:05,323 there's a way that you should find art. 530 00:28:05,363 --> 00:28:08,742 You can find art where you find art. 531 00:28:13,371 --> 00:28:15,083 He's talking to a bigger audience 532 00:28:15,123 --> 00:28:17,461 than the art world could ever communicate with, 533 00:28:17,501 --> 00:28:21,172 and introduced so many more people to the art world. 534 00:28:21,213 --> 00:28:23,341 Like, I'm paintin' for everybody. 535 00:28:23,381 --> 00:28:24,885 I want everybody to access a bit. 536 00:28:24,925 --> 00:28:29,390 I'm makin' stuff for people to just aesthetically enjoy it. 537 00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:33,977 Shouldn't David as an artist be available to everybody? 538 00:28:34,017 --> 00:28:35,145 That's what he did. 539 00:28:35,185 --> 00:28:38,440 And, in that, he's grown big. 540 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,193 David can be polarising, and mainly because of 541 00:28:42,234 --> 00:28:45,656 the commercial way in which his practice 542 00:28:45,696 --> 00:28:47,115 and businesses have evolved. 543 00:28:47,155 --> 00:28:51,662 I don't think that David really gives a fuck, actually. 544 00:28:51,702 --> 00:28:55,789 David would still make art if no-one was buying it. 545 00:28:55,997 --> 00:28:58,959 [can whooshing] 546 00:29:02,963 --> 00:29:04,800 I just love, before I start, 547 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,177 getting a background that is interesting. 548 00:29:14,391 --> 00:29:15,269 [laughing] 549 00:29:15,309 --> 00:29:18,146 I remember when I first started seeing David, 550 00:29:18,186 --> 00:29:19,898 which was over nine years ago, 551 00:29:19,938 --> 00:29:24,361 and I'd be in the studio watching him prep his canvases. 552 00:29:24,401 --> 00:29:27,904 [rock'n'roll instrumental plays] 553 00:29:31,408 --> 00:29:33,411 He starts off with a white canvas, 554 00:29:33,451 --> 00:29:35,080 then he preps it black. 555 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:35,706 Then, he does, like, 556 00:29:35,746 --> 00:29:37,624 three layers of different-coloured whites 557 00:29:37,664 --> 00:29:41,503 and then, on top of that, he starts prepping his colours. 558 00:29:41,543 --> 00:29:42,546 Let's try some silver. 559 00:29:42,586 --> 00:29:48,176 Actually, I think it's fun using colours that aren't great. 560 00:29:48,216 --> 00:29:53,597 Sometimes, the less control you have, the better. 561 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,600 -If you think, you stink. -Mm-hm. 562 00:29:57,017 --> 00:29:58,436 [song continues] 563 00:29:58,476 --> 00:30:02,483 ♪ In my house you're on your own ♪ 564 00:30:02,523 --> 00:30:05,193 From time to time, I'll have clients who get an artwork 565 00:30:05,233 --> 00:30:07,571 and say, "Oh, it's got a big blob on it." 566 00:30:07,611 --> 00:30:09,280 And I'm like, "Are you insane? 567 00:30:09,321 --> 00:30:12,451 The blobs are the best bit, that's when he's having fun." 568 00:30:12,491 --> 00:30:20,041 There's blobs, cracks in the paint, weird marks and things, 569 00:30:20,081 --> 00:30:22,210 lots of drips around the side, 570 00:30:22,250 --> 00:30:25,088 you know, then he's had, like, heaps of fun. 571 00:30:25,128 --> 00:30:26,882 I don't think anyone has seen joy 572 00:30:26,922 --> 00:30:30,886 until you've seen David puncture a spray can 573 00:30:30,926 --> 00:30:33,511 and just spray it everywhere. 574 00:30:40,060 --> 00:30:42,105 I think some of the best work of Bromley's 575 00:30:42,145 --> 00:30:45,776 is where there's elements of abstraction 576 00:30:45,816 --> 00:30:47,193 and wildness and mess. 577 00:30:47,233 --> 00:30:49,446 I think that's where it's exciting. 578 00:30:49,486 --> 00:30:52,533 He's moved into, like, using ground spray, spray paint, 579 00:30:52,573 --> 00:30:55,786 and just smashing huge fields of colours. 580 00:30:55,826 --> 00:30:59,873 You know, butterflies, you know, perfect. 581 00:30:59,913 --> 00:31:01,458 Bit of negative space, perfect. 582 00:31:01,498 --> 00:31:05,126 Few drips through a butterfly, perfect. 583 00:31:06,086 --> 00:31:07,172 Doing layers isn't so profound 584 00:31:07,212 --> 00:31:10,091 but to have the balls to paint almost illustrative 585 00:31:10,131 --> 00:31:12,886 on top of that is something, you know, 586 00:31:12,926 --> 00:31:13,554 not a lot of people have. 587 00:31:13,594 --> 00:31:17,766 So, you've already got something going on that's quite powerful. 588 00:31:17,806 --> 00:31:18,975 Then, you do this other layer 589 00:31:19,015 --> 00:31:22,813 because you can and then, you know, you've got a Bromley. 590 00:31:22,853 --> 00:31:25,065 You know, like, the figurative part 591 00:31:25,105 --> 00:31:27,233 is the dance with the abstract. 592 00:31:27,273 --> 00:31:31,237 You know, what amount of the underneath stays, 593 00:31:31,277 --> 00:31:32,030 I still don't know. 594 00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:37,411 Sometimes, you do so little and it just seems to work. 595 00:31:37,451 --> 00:31:39,955 In practice, it's working in negatives 596 00:31:39,995 --> 00:31:40,538 so the abstract 597 00:31:40,578 --> 00:31:44,710 and the free, vibrant work becomes the foreground. 598 00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:47,585 [rock'n'roll track plays] 599 00:31:55,343 --> 00:31:59,766 I mean, I didn't realise exactly how popular his work was 600 00:31:59,806 --> 00:32:03,437 until I visited some friends in their house in London, 601 00:32:03,477 --> 00:32:06,314 and there was a Bromley nude in the lounge room. 602 00:32:06,354 --> 00:32:08,233 I was like, "Whoa." 603 00:32:08,273 --> 00:32:10,193 And they were saying, "We've got a David Bromley. 604 00:32:10,233 --> 00:32:12,112 Isn't he a really well-known Australian artist?" 605 00:32:12,152 --> 00:32:15,699 And I was like, "Yeah, I guess he is but, you know..." 606 00:32:15,739 --> 00:32:19,410 A bit like putting Pro Hart or Ken Done or someone in there 607 00:32:19,451 --> 00:32:23,206 and saying, "I believe he's your leading contemporary artist." 608 00:32:23,246 --> 00:32:26,042 If you talk about someone like Ken Done in the '80s 609 00:32:26,082 --> 00:32:26,710 who was everywhere, 610 00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:28,586 he was known for particular types of work 611 00:32:28,626 --> 00:32:29,630 and people might have reactions to that 612 00:32:29,670 --> 00:32:33,884 and say, "It was everywhere and that makes it bad somehow." 613 00:32:33,924 --> 00:32:35,761 I don't particularly like pop art. 614 00:32:35,801 --> 00:32:37,511 I think it's, um 615 00:32:38,804 --> 00:32:40,140 it's shallow, really. 616 00:32:40,180 --> 00:32:42,643 Doesn't really leave you thinking about anything. 617 00:32:42,683 --> 00:32:44,520 It's just...it's there. 618 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,898 With the exception to Andy Warhol who nailed it. 619 00:32:47,938 --> 00:32:49,607 He did it really well, didn't he? 620 00:32:49,647 --> 00:32:53,862 There are many parallels between Bromley and Warhol 621 00:32:53,902 --> 00:32:57,240 because mass production and commodification 622 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,410 are two key identifiers of pop art. 623 00:33:00,450 --> 00:33:02,412 Pop art is art for the people. 624 00:33:02,452 --> 00:33:06,082 It's inescapable not to compare what he's doing 625 00:33:06,122 --> 00:33:06,667 with Andy Warhol. 626 00:33:06,707 --> 00:33:11,672 He's got the same image over and over the course of years 627 00:33:11,712 --> 00:33:13,381 and so did Andy Warhol. 628 00:33:13,421 --> 00:33:18,428 He returned all the time to his favourite images. 629 00:33:18,468 --> 00:33:21,264 And that was half the fascination of that artist 630 00:33:21,304 --> 00:33:24,893 and it's half the fascination for me of David. 631 00:33:24,933 --> 00:33:27,938 Yeah, there haven't been many artists in Australia 632 00:33:27,978 --> 00:33:30,481 who've managed to sort of emulate 633 00:33:30,522 --> 00:33:32,984 the kind of art pop culture crossover 634 00:33:33,024 --> 00:33:38,073 that, historically, people like Andy Warhol was able to achieve. 635 00:33:38,113 --> 00:33:43,494 And everyone who's come along and has tried to do that, 636 00:33:43,535 --> 00:33:47,288 in my view, has always ended up looking a bit cheap. 637 00:33:48,289 --> 00:33:51,837 You know, my idea of being an artist 638 00:33:51,877 --> 00:33:53,547 is to do what the fuck you want 639 00:33:53,587 --> 00:33:54,923 when the fuck you want to do it, 640 00:33:54,963 --> 00:33:58,927 and, you know, that includes wanting to do it. 641 00:33:58,967 --> 00:34:01,221 So you need the paint, you need the materials. 642 00:34:01,261 --> 00:34:01,930 Getting paid for it. 643 00:34:01,970 --> 00:34:03,389 You want the whole sort of thing. 644 00:34:03,429 --> 00:34:06,267 Do I make commercial decisions? Fuck yeah. 645 00:34:06,307 --> 00:34:08,729 Some days, do I go in and paint kids over the fence 646 00:34:08,769 --> 00:34:10,688 and I paint the nudes and stuff. 647 00:34:10,728 --> 00:34:15,110 I mean, doing my greatest hits, it's still... 648 00:34:15,150 --> 00:34:18,279 Like, it's maybe not always my favourite thing to do 649 00:34:18,319 --> 00:34:20,323 but it's still one of my favourite things to do 650 00:34:20,363 --> 00:34:24,244 and, look, I think probably one of the most important things 651 00:34:24,284 --> 00:34:26,371 is never, ever fuckin' stop. 652 00:34:26,411 --> 00:34:29,207 And that's why I've got Bon Scott and Malcolm Young. 653 00:34:29,247 --> 00:34:33,962 I love the way Malcolm Young spent 30-odd years of his life 654 00:34:34,002 --> 00:34:35,921 standing like this. 655 00:34:36,004 --> 00:34:37,215 [grunts] 656 00:34:37,255 --> 00:34:38,967 In one frickin' spot. 657 00:34:39,007 --> 00:34:42,720 A lot of people think that they want to be an artist, 658 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,389 they'd like to be unknown, 659 00:34:44,429 --> 00:34:47,643 underground, staunchly individual, 660 00:34:47,683 --> 00:34:53,106 against all types of recognition but be wealthy and, you know, 661 00:34:53,146 --> 00:34:54,732 how does that work? 662 00:34:54,772 --> 00:34:57,861 What's wrong with working to make a living? 663 00:34:57,901 --> 00:35:03,700 Like, why are we so different to everybody else out there? 664 00:35:03,740 --> 00:35:04,367 Well, we're not. 665 00:35:04,407 --> 00:35:09,539 There is a, sort of, shame around this idea of ambition, 666 00:35:09,579 --> 00:35:12,500 but I've always seen financial freedom 667 00:35:12,540 --> 00:35:16,211 as a way to have creative freedom. 668 00:35:26,429 --> 00:35:28,765 Taco in hand. 669 00:35:30,100 --> 00:35:35,023 I got this amazing glass finish that you pour on 670 00:35:35,063 --> 00:35:36,024 and, after about two months, 671 00:35:36,064 --> 00:35:42,197 it wouldn't dry so we put them on the roof for two years. 672 00:35:42,237 --> 00:35:45,659 It was so funny because John's obviously been up on the roof 673 00:35:45,699 --> 00:35:46,451 and brought them down. 674 00:35:46,491 --> 00:35:49,620 And I've just walked in and I've just thought, 675 00:35:49,661 --> 00:35:51,789 "Oh, my God, these..." 676 00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:55,585 No, I didn't... I'd forgot, and that was the idea. 677 00:35:55,625 --> 00:35:58,588 Wow, just, man, I'm so happy with that, 678 00:35:58,628 --> 00:36:01,382 but I just walked in and I was just sort of like, 679 00:36:01,422 --> 00:36:02,425 "Shit, am I dreaming?" 680 00:36:02,465 --> 00:36:06,803 The perfect painting. Oh, shit, they're mine! 681 00:36:07,846 --> 00:36:13,436 There is a distinction between the pieces that David creates 682 00:36:13,476 --> 00:36:15,271 because he knows that the clients 683 00:36:15,311 --> 00:36:17,607 who are coming to the gallery will want them, 684 00:36:17,647 --> 00:36:19,817 and then there are the pieces that he creates 685 00:36:19,857 --> 00:36:23,653 because he's gonna have heaps of fun doing it. 686 00:36:27,157 --> 00:36:31,621 Oh, now this stuff here, it was a trucking guy I know 687 00:36:31,661 --> 00:36:35,666 and he used to have a rodeo circus. 688 00:36:35,707 --> 00:36:36,209 I love circuses. 689 00:36:36,249 --> 00:36:41,504 This stuff here, I'll wrap around masonite and paint on it. 690 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,220 Pretty good, even if I do say so myself. 691 00:36:47,260 --> 00:36:50,056 There's a good 70% of his art practice 692 00:36:50,096 --> 00:36:51,224 that people will never see, 693 00:36:51,264 --> 00:36:55,893 that he works away in the studio and he experiments on. 694 00:36:57,103 --> 00:37:01,276 It never makes it out into the market or the real world, 695 00:37:01,316 --> 00:37:05,153 but that's the side that drives him as an artist. 696 00:37:09,407 --> 00:37:11,034 [paint sloshing] 697 00:37:16,206 --> 00:37:20,211 I have different relationships with the different figures. 698 00:37:20,251 --> 00:37:24,424 I know the ones that are, like, are truer to me. 699 00:37:24,464 --> 00:37:29,345 When I do the really idyllic ones, you know, I feel... 700 00:37:29,385 --> 00:37:32,390 I feel definitely like it's more of a fairy story 701 00:37:32,430 --> 00:37:34,684 and I'm really happy to do those 702 00:37:34,724 --> 00:37:37,270 because I think it's so nice 703 00:37:37,310 --> 00:37:41,316 to just feel nice sometimes, you know? 704 00:37:41,356 --> 00:37:44,194 Cosy and the world's a beautiful place, 705 00:37:44,234 --> 00:37:44,903 a bit like a dream. 706 00:37:44,943 --> 00:37:49,532 But, you know, when I paint the boys smoking cigarettes 707 00:37:49,572 --> 00:37:50,200 and stuff like that, 708 00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:52,743 I have more of an affinity for them. 709 00:37:52,784 --> 00:37:56,122 Because that was more me because I was a bit naughty 710 00:37:56,162 --> 00:38:02,335 and indulged in these things, I caused myself problems. 711 00:38:02,502 --> 00:38:04,089 If I hadn't caused myself those problems, 712 00:38:04,129 --> 00:38:06,757 I don't think my life would be so interesting. 713 00:38:06,798 --> 00:38:11,346 But this guy here, I don't know, I just... 714 00:38:11,386 --> 00:38:14,515 I like the fact he's in a... 715 00:38:14,555 --> 00:38:18,228 Where is he? He's in a den of skulls and stuff, 716 00:38:18,268 --> 00:38:19,604 and yet he's comfortable. 717 00:38:19,644 --> 00:38:22,357 He's got his little bottle which, in his mind, 718 00:38:22,397 --> 00:38:26,486 is going to be able to find, you know, what is laying ahead. 719 00:38:26,526 --> 00:38:31,697 He's armed, in case any of them come to life, 720 00:38:32,073 --> 00:38:32,993 and I'm... 721 00:38:33,033 --> 00:38:35,954 I don't know, I don't think I was that kid. 722 00:38:35,994 --> 00:38:38,914 I don't think I ever felt that, 723 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,626 you know, it was all gonna be OK, 724 00:38:41,666 --> 00:38:43,003 but I sort of love these guys 725 00:38:43,043 --> 00:38:47,340 because, I don't know, I think they remind me a lot of my dad, 726 00:38:47,380 --> 00:38:50,468 you know, where he believed that 727 00:38:50,508 --> 00:38:54,679 everything was sort of gonna be OK. 728 00:38:56,848 --> 00:39:00,060 [gentle music plays] 729 00:39:04,564 --> 00:39:07,652 My dad held down a formal job, 730 00:39:07,692 --> 00:39:09,987 never took a day off in his life, 731 00:39:10,027 --> 00:39:12,573 and worked in an office to pay the bills 732 00:39:12,613 --> 00:39:15,743 and to look after us and to bring us up. 733 00:39:15,783 --> 00:39:18,038 He didn't go on any radical approach. 734 00:39:18,078 --> 00:39:20,290 I think he was quite conservative in that way. 735 00:39:20,330 --> 00:39:24,334 Philosophically and in his mind and in his own time... 736 00:39:24,459 --> 00:39:26,379 You know, I said to him, 737 00:39:26,419 --> 00:39:31,217 "I don't think that work should be unpleasant 738 00:39:31,257 --> 00:39:33,887 and I don't think the people that work with you, 739 00:39:33,927 --> 00:39:38,474 you know, necessarily should be not of your kin." 740 00:39:38,514 --> 00:39:40,143 Etc, etc, etc. 741 00:39:40,183 --> 00:39:43,104 And Dad said, which was scary for me, he said, 742 00:39:43,144 --> 00:39:47,107 "Well, I don't know how that is achievable." 743 00:39:48,358 --> 00:39:50,570 "But you can give it a go." 744 00:39:50,610 --> 00:39:54,074 Man, that has just helped me so much. 745 00:39:54,114 --> 00:39:57,077 And quite often in my life... Like, that was it. 746 00:39:57,117 --> 00:39:59,162 Not, "Well, and you can do this and you can do that." 747 00:39:59,202 --> 00:40:04,292 He didn't have any answers, but he said, "Well, give it a go." 748 00:40:04,332 --> 00:40:08,544 But there were certainly plenty of times in my life where 749 00:40:08,753 --> 00:40:12,926 someone would have a go at me about my life choices. 750 00:40:12,966 --> 00:40:15,553 And I think, "Well, my dad loves me." 751 00:40:15,593 --> 00:40:17,012 You know? 752 00:40:20,431 --> 00:40:22,308 That colour... 753 00:40:34,445 --> 00:40:38,533 From a young age, I've always been a tip rat. 754 00:40:38,824 --> 00:40:39,410 You know, my... 755 00:40:39,450 --> 00:40:45,208 We used to have the old Thebarton dump near home, 756 00:40:45,248 --> 00:40:49,337 and my brother would go down there with an old pram 757 00:40:49,377 --> 00:40:50,088 that he found down there. 758 00:40:50,128 --> 00:40:53,216 Mate, we'd pull out old motorbikes and get them going. 759 00:40:53,256 --> 00:40:56,469 I think probably one of the funnest times down there 760 00:40:56,509 --> 00:40:59,096 was we pulled this motorbike out of the tip 761 00:40:59,136 --> 00:41:03,643 and my brother, who could get anything started, got it started 762 00:41:03,683 --> 00:41:06,604 and we were fangin' around this paddock, 763 00:41:06,644 --> 00:41:09,815 and at the back of the paddock 764 00:41:09,855 --> 00:41:12,318 were the old corrugated iron fences. 765 00:41:12,358 --> 00:41:15,112 And you suddenly saw all these little heads 766 00:41:15,152 --> 00:41:16,322 peeking up over the fences, 767 00:41:16,362 --> 00:41:18,908 just like my kids over the fence. 768 00:41:18,948 --> 00:41:21,327 And you see 'em just running over. 769 00:41:21,367 --> 00:41:23,246 "Can I have a go? Can I have a go?" 770 00:41:23,286 --> 00:41:24,330 So you're like, "Yeah, sure." 771 00:41:24,370 --> 00:41:26,374 And they go - rah! Everyone's turning around. 772 00:41:26,414 --> 00:41:33,298 But my brother used to fill the old pram up with metal 773 00:41:33,338 --> 00:41:35,883 and then he'd walk to Sims Metal 774 00:41:35,923 --> 00:41:39,054 and he'd get, like, 12 bucks and stuff like that. 775 00:41:39,094 --> 00:41:39,595 I just had... 776 00:41:39,635 --> 00:41:43,891 My brain did not work that way at all, 777 00:41:43,931 --> 00:41:46,102 but it certainly got into my soul, 778 00:41:46,142 --> 00:41:50,230 you know, running around and collecting things and stuff. 779 00:41:50,771 --> 00:41:51,482 [spraying paint] 780 00:41:51,522 --> 00:41:56,944 Look, I always wish my brother was on these adventures with me. 781 00:41:57,028 --> 00:41:57,655 I quite often think, 782 00:41:57,695 --> 00:41:59,824 "God, my brother would've loved doing this" 783 00:41:59,864 --> 00:42:03,994 or "God, I could really do with his hand," 'cause he's bloody... 784 00:42:04,035 --> 00:42:08,539 He was a frickin' clever bastard and funny. 785 00:42:09,206 --> 00:42:16,756 My own brother, who was fearless about everything but his work, 786 00:42:17,006 --> 00:42:19,802 I just begged him to give up his job 787 00:42:19,842 --> 00:42:20,553 so he could be home more 788 00:42:20,593 --> 00:42:22,388 'cause he was always travelling with his work. 789 00:42:22,428 --> 00:42:25,100 And I think I told you, you know, he was drugged and robbed 790 00:42:25,140 --> 00:42:29,562 and he was dead within a week pursuing the wage. 791 00:42:29,602 --> 00:42:30,187 When he died, 792 00:42:30,227 --> 00:42:34,400 I always was determined to be as wild as he was 793 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,860 but also to stick with the fact that, at work, 794 00:42:38,319 --> 00:42:40,030 fuck it, you know, 795 00:42:40,071 --> 00:42:42,283 you've gotta be your own person. 796 00:42:42,323 --> 00:42:45,660 [rock'n'roll track plays] 797 00:42:51,124 --> 00:42:52,250 [chuckles] 798 00:42:54,502 --> 00:42:56,462 He has a lot of fun! 799 00:42:56,587 --> 00:42:57,798 Oh, my God, the joy. 800 00:42:57,838 --> 00:43:01,218 It's like, "Yuge, Yuge, come here. Ta-da!" 801 00:43:01,258 --> 00:43:04,180 "Hey, kids, kids, come here. Ta-da!" 802 00:43:04,220 --> 00:43:08,268 It isn't really work, is it? It's play. 803 00:43:08,308 --> 00:43:09,685 [kid squeals] 804 00:43:09,725 --> 00:43:10,603 You get creative here. 805 00:43:10,643 --> 00:43:13,231 They play music or... to do something. 806 00:43:13,271 --> 00:43:14,982 I can feel it, there's an energy here 807 00:43:15,022 --> 00:43:19,362 of wanting to create and make something. 808 00:43:19,402 --> 00:43:22,782 It's almost like a teenage sleepover 809 00:43:22,822 --> 00:43:26,367 that's gone on for 50 years. 810 00:43:26,742 --> 00:43:28,911 Yuge, Yuge! 811 00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:33,209 It's this crazy house and dinner parties 812 00:43:33,249 --> 00:43:35,085 and random people showing up and... 813 00:43:35,126 --> 00:43:38,881 Like, being a child in that family, like, oh! 814 00:43:38,921 --> 00:43:39,340 Again! 815 00:43:39,380 --> 00:43:42,760 This is not somebody who goes to work and comes back from work. 816 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,848 This is a couple of artists that work is the veins. 817 00:43:47,888 --> 00:43:48,516 It is the life. 818 00:43:48,556 --> 00:43:50,851 So, how can you separate kids from that? 819 00:43:50,891 --> 00:43:56,021 So, the kids are covered in paint and the kids are drawing. 820 00:43:56,147 --> 00:43:56,941 They're just a part of it all 821 00:43:56,981 --> 00:43:59,444 and then they throw dogs in the mix, as well, 822 00:43:59,484 --> 00:44:01,237 almost a bit too chaotic. 823 00:44:01,277 --> 00:44:01,862 [dog barks] 824 00:44:01,902 --> 00:44:04,073 Like, David having seven children, 825 00:44:04,113 --> 00:44:04,949 it's so natural for them. 826 00:44:04,989 --> 00:44:06,617 He's got them all hanging off him, you know, 827 00:44:06,657 --> 00:44:09,912 and he's just, like, trying to, like, focus and it's just like, 828 00:44:09,952 --> 00:44:12,165 "Yeah, this is easy," you know, like... 829 00:44:12,205 --> 00:44:16,419 I find it really tricky to paint with a baby in my hand 830 00:44:16,459 --> 00:44:17,503 but I've done it. 831 00:44:17,543 --> 00:44:19,964 Hanging round with Dad and Yuge is pretty great. 832 00:44:20,004 --> 00:44:22,217 At least half the time I'm with him, 833 00:44:22,257 --> 00:44:24,301 he does not have a shirt on. 834 00:44:24,341 --> 00:44:29,432 Probably more. There's not really any distinction between work life, 835 00:44:29,472 --> 00:44:32,352 family life, real life. 836 00:44:32,392 --> 00:44:34,354 A typical day for us is madness, 837 00:44:34,394 --> 00:44:38,441 and it's something that I find great comfort 838 00:44:38,481 --> 00:44:41,901 and great ease in doing. 839 00:44:46,864 --> 00:44:51,704 To combine together to make some wallpaper. 840 00:44:51,744 --> 00:44:56,125 Bei, did you turn that into giant, big, long slime 841 00:44:56,165 --> 00:44:57,293 and then you were cutting it up? 842 00:44:57,333 --> 00:44:58,628 -Yeah. -That is so cool. 843 00:44:58,668 --> 00:45:03,216 Hey, Yuge, you know this, like, really nice European table? 844 00:45:03,256 --> 00:45:05,635 Do you like the fact that it's got cut marks 845 00:45:05,675 --> 00:45:07,427 all the way through it? 846 00:45:08,678 --> 00:45:09,972 Um... 847 00:45:10,012 --> 00:45:11,514 [Yuge] Yeah. 848 00:45:12,848 --> 00:45:15,518 Ooh, I'll have a look at that. 849 00:45:15,976 --> 00:45:21,108 I've got this collection of matchbox covers 850 00:45:21,148 --> 00:45:23,319 from eastern Europe somewhere 851 00:45:23,359 --> 00:45:26,322 and they're really cool and they're tiny, 852 00:45:26,362 --> 00:45:31,536 and I've got thousands of them, and I'm looking through them 853 00:45:31,576 --> 00:45:36,373 for interesting ones to print and make into big collages. 854 00:45:36,413 --> 00:45:39,959 Anyway, Yuge's going, "Look how little they are. 855 00:45:40,335 --> 00:45:43,588 How does someone make something that small?" 856 00:45:43,754 --> 00:45:44,549 And I'm looking at them 857 00:45:44,589 --> 00:45:46,759 and I'd looked at about 500 by this stage. 858 00:45:46,799 --> 00:45:48,594 I'm starting to spin out a little bit. 859 00:45:48,634 --> 00:45:51,681 And then Yuge's saying how small they are and, like, 860 00:45:51,721 --> 00:45:54,725 rather than putting them down and stopping the anxiety, 861 00:45:54,765 --> 00:45:56,477 I keep thinking of people 862 00:45:56,517 --> 00:45:59,522 working on thousands of these little things 863 00:45:59,562 --> 00:46:01,148 every day of their life. 864 00:46:01,188 --> 00:46:04,108 And I'm like, "Fuck, it's..." 865 00:46:04,900 --> 00:46:08,531 You know, we were talking before, Sean, about, 866 00:46:08,571 --> 00:46:09,782 you know, people still not 867 00:46:09,822 --> 00:46:14,662 taking people with mental illness seriously. 868 00:46:14,702 --> 00:46:18,291 Yeah, well, that's probably one of the reasons why. 869 00:46:18,331 --> 00:46:20,918 "What are you scared of?" "Little tiny matchbox covers." 870 00:46:20,958 --> 00:46:25,089 How the fuck are you supposed to garner sympathy 871 00:46:25,129 --> 00:46:27,467 when that's the case? 872 00:46:27,507 --> 00:46:30,886 They'd be like, "Well, don't get matchbox labels. 873 00:46:30,926 --> 00:46:35,808 Don't get thousands of them and look at them for hours on end. 874 00:46:35,848 --> 00:46:37,393 There's your answer." 875 00:46:37,433 --> 00:46:38,643 But... 876 00:46:38,893 --> 00:46:43,023 As I always say to some people, you know, if you've got... 877 00:46:43,063 --> 00:46:45,150 If you suffer from anxiety 878 00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:47,069 and whatever it is that you're, you know... 879 00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:49,196 Say it's open spaces, which I've got, 880 00:46:49,236 --> 00:46:51,824 and you go out and you conquer that, 881 00:46:51,864 --> 00:46:53,368 usually, anxiety will just... 882 00:46:53,408 --> 00:46:56,454 So, you'll go, "I've done it, I'm no longer afraid of it." 883 00:46:56,494 --> 00:46:59,915 And then the next day your anxiety just latches 884 00:46:59,955 --> 00:47:03,336 onto something else that you're doing. 885 00:47:03,376 --> 00:47:04,837 You know, I mean, I didn't think 886 00:47:04,877 --> 00:47:06,339 that little, tiny matchbox things 887 00:47:06,379 --> 00:47:07,632 were gonna kill me or anything 888 00:47:07,672 --> 00:47:10,760 but even just talking about it now 889 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,386 is making me highly uncomfortable. 890 00:47:14,512 --> 00:47:15,848 Watch this. Watch this. 891 00:47:15,888 --> 00:47:21,604 Who's the cause of so much of my anxiety? This one's my mum. 892 00:47:21,644 --> 00:47:25,189 [grunts and warbles] 893 00:47:25,523 --> 00:47:30,277 Sorry, Mum. What do they say, don't speak ill of the dead? 894 00:47:33,113 --> 00:47:34,740 Oh, my God. 895 00:47:34,865 --> 00:47:37,286 My mum, you go in and, like, she's dying 896 00:47:37,326 --> 00:47:38,996 and then you walk in and you go, "Hi, Mum." 897 00:47:39,036 --> 00:47:42,625 And she goes, "You're fat." Yeah. No. I... 898 00:47:42,665 --> 00:47:47,795 My mum was awesome. I loved her very, very much. 899 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:52,051 She could just be sometimes a bit tough. 900 00:47:52,091 --> 00:47:57,973 Um, so Mum, I think she had one or two cigarettes in her life 901 00:47:58,013 --> 00:47:58,599 which is not enough. 902 00:47:58,639 --> 00:48:04,229 So, I gave her a pipe 'cause she didn't have enough cigarettes. 903 00:48:04,269 --> 00:48:06,941 He, on the other hand, had way too many, so... 904 00:48:06,981 --> 00:48:09,526 But my brother was an amazing builder 905 00:48:09,566 --> 00:48:14,822 and metaphorically a great builder 'cause he... 906 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,952 Get off my mum, you bug. 907 00:48:17,992 --> 00:48:20,037 Yeah, I loved my brother so much. 908 00:48:20,077 --> 00:48:23,248 He was a really, really, really special dude 909 00:48:23,288 --> 00:48:24,917 and, seriously, could build everything. 910 00:48:24,957 --> 00:48:31,964 My dad was an avid reader and, when Dad was 911 00:48:32,214 --> 00:48:35,260 close to the end, I can't think what it was, 912 00:48:35,300 --> 00:48:36,846 six months or something like that, 913 00:48:36,886 --> 00:48:37,638 and none of us knew 914 00:48:37,678 --> 00:48:40,558 but it was obvious that he was not getting a lot better, 915 00:48:40,598 --> 00:48:44,979 and I said, "What have you been reading lately, Dad?" 916 00:48:45,019 --> 00:48:47,607 And he said, "Don't have long left. 917 00:48:47,647 --> 00:48:49,442 "Comedy. Comedy only. 918 00:48:49,482 --> 00:48:52,152 "Funny stuff only, nothing serious. 919 00:48:52,192 --> 00:48:53,070 "I don't have long enough. 920 00:48:53,110 --> 00:48:55,781 "So, I'll just get straight back to the funny shit 921 00:48:55,821 --> 00:48:56,573 "and that's all I do. 922 00:48:56,613 --> 00:48:59,201 That's the only thing I'll read for the rest of my life." 923 00:48:59,241 --> 00:49:00,327 How cool's that. 924 00:49:00,367 --> 00:49:02,162 What a wise decision. 925 00:49:02,202 --> 00:49:05,082 My dad was fucking awesome. 926 00:49:05,122 --> 00:49:06,250 So was my brother. 927 00:49:06,290 --> 00:49:10,713 Mum, she is... She was awesome, too. 928 00:49:10,753 --> 00:49:12,672 [laughs] 929 00:49:12,797 --> 00:49:15,925 [grunts and warbles] 930 00:49:18,928 --> 00:49:24,601 It's brought numerous problems, still, my absolute insanity. 931 00:49:24,641 --> 00:49:28,564 I mean, I've been at stages where, you know, 932 00:49:28,604 --> 00:49:29,815 I'd work 20 hours a day, 933 00:49:29,855 --> 00:49:31,817 you know, go to sleep for two hours, 934 00:49:31,857 --> 00:49:32,902 get up again and do it 935 00:49:32,942 --> 00:49:35,279 because I actually was addicted 936 00:49:35,319 --> 00:49:38,699 to not having a conversation and in my own head. 937 00:49:38,739 --> 00:49:41,076 You know, to me it was one of the most delightful things 938 00:49:41,116 --> 00:49:43,704 that you could ever do was to be so busy 939 00:49:43,744 --> 00:49:48,042 you were just on the edge of absolute and utter exhaustion. 940 00:49:48,082 --> 00:49:51,001 [rock'n'roll track plays] 941 00:49:55,172 --> 00:49:57,342 ♪ I said hey, look 942 00:49:57,382 --> 00:50:01,430 ♪ How did I find you? ♪♪ 943 00:50:01,470 --> 00:50:04,308 He's like a really factory guy, yeah? 944 00:50:04,348 --> 00:50:06,476 Produce, produce, produce, produce. 945 00:50:06,517 --> 00:50:09,229 Work, commitment, get it done. 946 00:50:09,269 --> 00:50:11,649 ♪ Oh when you're down and beaten... ♪ 947 00:50:11,689 --> 00:50:14,318 He'll cancel plans, he won't go out to dinner, 948 00:50:14,358 --> 00:50:17,947 he'll go home and start working on a proposal or start drawing, 949 00:50:17,987 --> 00:50:22,950 whatever he needs to do to make this new, fun thing happen. 950 00:50:23,618 --> 00:50:28,082 ♪ Well, there's no use crying on your own ♪ 951 00:50:28,122 --> 00:50:32,086 He is this uncontrollable creative force 952 00:50:32,126 --> 00:50:35,756 that just keeps coming and coming and coming and coming. 953 00:50:35,796 --> 00:50:38,884 Some people may say, "OK, just stop now, slow down," 954 00:50:38,924 --> 00:50:42,429 and he's like, "No, no, fuck you, I won't." 955 00:50:42,469 --> 00:50:44,930 ♪ I'm gonna keep on... ♪♪ 956 00:50:45,305 --> 00:50:46,601 Push and push and push 957 00:50:46,641 --> 00:50:48,685 till he actually falls in a heap, you know, 958 00:50:48,725 --> 00:50:49,436 head down in a pillow 959 00:50:49,476 --> 00:50:52,688 and he doesn't actually move for two hours. 960 00:50:53,355 --> 00:50:56,401 And then he'll be up and he'll be like, "Hey, guys!" 961 00:50:56,441 --> 00:50:58,779 ♪ I said, darling ♪♪ 962 00:50:58,819 --> 00:51:00,697 ♪ What's it all come to? ♪♪ 963 00:51:00,737 --> 00:51:03,743 Part of that is that's his therapy, that's his process 964 00:51:03,783 --> 00:51:07,788 for staying on an even keel is to just keep on working 965 00:51:07,828 --> 00:51:10,916 and keep on being interested in new things 966 00:51:10,956 --> 00:51:12,376 and new people and new ideas. 967 00:51:12,416 --> 00:51:15,295 ♪ All I need's to be working with you ♪♪ 968 00:51:15,335 --> 00:51:19,800 It's a scary experience to have a mind that doesn't stop, 969 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,178 and to experience waves of anxiety, 970 00:51:23,218 --> 00:51:25,139 panic, fear, depression. 971 00:51:25,179 --> 00:51:28,225 David's talking about it to help himself. 972 00:51:28,265 --> 00:51:31,520 And the by-product is that it helps other people, 973 00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:32,187 and he's probably like, 974 00:51:32,227 --> 00:51:33,397 "That's great that it helps other people" 975 00:51:33,437 --> 00:51:37,734 "but I'd talk about it anyway," and it's the same with his art. 976 00:51:37,774 --> 00:51:39,904 "It's great that some people really like it 977 00:51:39,944 --> 00:51:41,656 "and it makes people feel good. 978 00:51:41,696 --> 00:51:43,780 I'd make it anyway." 979 00:51:44,740 --> 00:51:47,242 [cans whooshing] 980 00:51:49,203 --> 00:51:49,830 He doesn't give a shit 981 00:51:49,870 --> 00:51:53,167 what people think of either him or his work. 982 00:51:53,207 --> 00:51:53,959 He is what he is, 983 00:51:53,999 --> 00:51:58,547 and the work that he produces is what he produces. 984 00:51:58,587 --> 00:52:03,844 It's the thing that fires him and nurtures him and heals him. 985 00:52:03,884 --> 00:52:07,888 ♪ Crying on your own ♪ 986 00:52:14,854 --> 00:52:19,859 Fuck, it's a beautiful time of night, isn't it? Man! 987 00:52:19,984 --> 00:52:24,613 Everything looks good this time of night. 988 00:52:26,991 --> 00:52:29,494 Um, I, um 989 00:52:29,534 --> 00:52:34,166 have a reasonably colourful history 990 00:52:34,206 --> 00:52:39,962 of going to see people many years ago for, um... 991 00:52:41,714 --> 00:52:42,591 advice or help 992 00:52:42,631 --> 00:52:49,014 or pleading with them to try and work out the puzzle 993 00:52:49,054 --> 00:52:51,515 in my head. 994 00:52:52,516 --> 00:52:56,480 I attempted to kill myself on my 33rd birthday, 995 00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:01,901 and I remember that 'cause I tried at 23 and I tried at 33. 996 00:53:02,859 --> 00:53:06,031 I tried to hang myself, and, you know, 997 00:53:06,071 --> 00:53:08,407 I don't know what I did wrong. 998 00:53:09,616 --> 00:53:16,375 To be suicidal is one of the lowest senses or positions 999 00:53:16,415 --> 00:53:18,794 you can be mentally. 1000 00:53:18,834 --> 00:53:20,963 You want to escape yourself. 1001 00:53:21,003 --> 00:53:23,548 You want to run away from yourself. 1002 00:53:23,588 --> 00:53:25,968 You spend an immense amount of time 1003 00:53:26,008 --> 00:53:27,887 not wanting to be in your own body. 1004 00:53:27,927 --> 00:53:29,889 You're like a cat on a hot tin roof 1005 00:53:29,929 --> 00:53:31,724 and perhaps you have been for years. 1006 00:53:31,764 --> 00:53:34,268 It hurts just to put your feet on the ground 1007 00:53:34,308 --> 00:53:34,894 and, wherever you go, 1008 00:53:34,934 --> 00:53:39,356 yourself follows yourself around and you just want to edit that. 1009 00:53:39,396 --> 00:53:41,025 Certainly, as a younger man, 1010 00:53:41,065 --> 00:53:45,029 the rest of your life seemed like the bigger thing, 1011 00:53:45,069 --> 00:53:47,990 and, if you are not having 1012 00:53:48,030 --> 00:53:49,867 anything but a torrid time with your life 1013 00:53:49,907 --> 00:53:53,328 and you imagine eternity going through these things. 1014 00:53:53,368 --> 00:53:54,538 I mean, at my age now, 1015 00:53:54,578 --> 00:53:58,125 I don't look at things in life forward as an eternity, 1016 00:53:58,165 --> 00:54:01,086 so if I have a bad day or a tough day or something, 1017 00:54:01,126 --> 00:54:02,838 I try and snap out of it pretty quickly 1018 00:54:02,878 --> 00:54:10,344 because I can see the finite amount of time that I have left. 1019 00:54:10,469 --> 00:54:14,724 When I made a commitment to never do that again, 1020 00:54:14,765 --> 00:54:19,021 the trouble sometimes when you say to yourself, 1021 00:54:19,061 --> 00:54:22,356 "Well, I'm gonna rebuild my life..." 1022 00:54:22,857 --> 00:54:24,651 The reality is, you know, 1023 00:54:24,691 --> 00:54:29,239 anyone you hurt or the person that left you, 1024 00:54:29,279 --> 00:54:30,615 they still don't want you. 1025 00:54:30,655 --> 00:54:31,075 You know? 1026 00:54:31,115 --> 00:54:34,703 You haven't gone, "Well, I'm OK, I'm gonna build a new life 1027 00:54:34,743 --> 00:54:38,248 and everyone's gonna see me as this new person." 1028 00:54:38,288 --> 00:54:38,748 You know? 1029 00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:40,209 The clouds are still gonna be dark 1030 00:54:40,249 --> 00:54:42,461 or some days are still gonna be horrible 1031 00:54:42,501 --> 00:54:47,842 and that can seem infinite in its challenge. 1032 00:54:47,882 --> 00:54:51,428 But then, through being at the very bottom 1033 00:54:51,468 --> 00:54:53,848 and being in those particular situations, 1034 00:54:53,888 --> 00:54:56,016 you start to try and articulate 1035 00:54:56,056 --> 00:55:00,938 how you can possibly utilise things better 1036 00:55:00,978 --> 00:55:03,858 by seeking an avenue for your brain 1037 00:55:03,898 --> 00:55:07,444 not to be distracted by a certain nothingness. 1038 00:55:07,484 --> 00:55:08,070 You put it to work 1039 00:55:08,110 --> 00:55:10,739 and so therefore you start to get fascinated in things, 1040 00:55:10,779 --> 00:55:15,202 and then it becomes natural and then it becomes interesting 1041 00:55:15,242 --> 00:55:16,786 and then you follow up more things 1042 00:55:16,827 --> 00:55:22,917 and, as the cycle can spiral down, the cycle can spiral up. 1043 00:55:23,042 --> 00:55:30,092 I certainly enjoyed the sense, I suppose, of devil may care. 1044 00:55:30,132 --> 00:55:33,888 Some of my favourite times because it was just like, 1045 00:55:33,928 --> 00:55:37,099 well, I'm not gonna ever attempt suicide again 1046 00:55:37,139 --> 00:55:39,351 but I really don't give a shit. 1047 00:55:39,391 --> 00:55:40,978 [laughs] 1048 00:55:41,018 --> 00:55:42,479 And flying in the face of it 1049 00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:43,939 and it's probably some of the most 1050 00:55:43,979 --> 00:55:46,358 emotionally well times I've been, 1051 00:55:46,398 --> 00:55:47,651 not necessarily happy 1052 00:55:47,691 --> 00:55:51,321 or not necessarily feeling well inside of myself, 1053 00:55:51,361 --> 00:55:54,824 but so incredible 'cause, when I met Yuge, 1054 00:55:54,865 --> 00:55:57,411 I developed trust in another person again 1055 00:55:57,451 --> 00:56:00,956 and a feeling that things were special 1056 00:56:00,996 --> 00:56:01,790 and they meant something 1057 00:56:01,830 --> 00:56:05,044 and that hard shell that I had built up 1058 00:56:05,084 --> 00:56:06,170 was starting to soften again 1059 00:56:06,210 --> 00:56:10,007 and I started to, you know, get my anxiety back and stuff. 1060 00:56:10,047 --> 00:56:14,594 'Cause the devil may care thing had gone and I cared again. 1061 00:56:14,634 --> 00:56:19,016 Oh, my God, what I went through. The confusion of... 1062 00:56:19,056 --> 00:56:22,769 Oh, my God, now I've got this thing that I want. 1063 00:56:22,809 --> 00:56:23,645 And it's funny. 1064 00:56:23,685 --> 00:56:24,563 I think Yuge would say 1065 00:56:24,603 --> 00:56:26,315 that she went through a similar thing, too, 1066 00:56:26,355 --> 00:56:30,819 this feeling of such love and support from another person, 1067 00:56:30,859 --> 00:56:34,114 and the crazy just comes back 1068 00:56:34,154 --> 00:56:37,657 'cause this is a really nice place to live. 1069 00:56:38,951 --> 00:56:40,036 Yeah, I don't want to fuck it up, 1070 00:56:40,076 --> 00:56:43,582 I don't want to mess it up. Yeah, here we go... 1071 00:56:43,622 --> 00:56:45,081 [chuckles] 1072 00:56:46,208 --> 00:56:49,461 [gentle music plays] 1073 00:58:08,498 --> 00:58:09,626 He's brilliant. 1074 00:58:09,666 --> 00:58:11,336 I reckon he worked out in utero 1075 00:58:11,376 --> 00:58:14,839 that he better get with the program or get left behind, 1076 00:58:14,879 --> 00:58:15,715 so he just came out going, 1077 00:58:15,755 --> 00:58:20,887 "Alrighty, I'll just make sure I'm really, really good for you 1078 00:58:20,927 --> 00:58:24,931 because I know you guys are gonna be full on." 1079 00:58:29,561 --> 00:58:31,271 Oh, yeah! 1080 00:58:33,107 --> 00:58:35,151 The old Castlemaine Gaol. 1081 00:58:35,191 --> 00:58:39,446 Was built in the something or other or other. 1082 00:58:39,571 --> 00:58:43,992 Not interested in a jail at all, like... 1083 00:58:44,576 --> 00:58:46,496 We've gotta keep running the business. 1084 00:58:46,536 --> 00:58:47,789 How are we gonna buy a jail? 1085 00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:51,541 I love it. I love this tree. 1086 00:58:54,253 --> 00:58:57,881 Oh, look at this red colour, darling. 1087 00:58:59,424 --> 00:59:01,261 Oh, I love that. 1088 00:59:01,301 --> 00:59:02,471 Oh... 1089 00:59:02,511 --> 00:59:04,929 I love it! 1090 00:59:07,141 --> 00:59:10,520 Hey, Yuge, I love this place. 1091 00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:14,816 My head's turning and I'm going, "What do we do with the jail?" 1092 00:59:14,856 --> 00:59:18,612 And I said to David, "I'll only consider putting an offer in 1093 00:59:18,652 --> 00:59:20,697 if you hear me out what I think we should do." 1094 00:59:20,737 --> 00:59:23,199 'Cause I don't want to do what we've done before. 1095 00:59:23,239 --> 00:59:24,576 I don't want to open a gallery, 1096 00:59:24,616 --> 00:59:27,371 but picture it not being a jail, you know? 1097 00:59:27,411 --> 00:59:29,414 Imagine a museum-type place. 1098 00:59:29,454 --> 00:59:34,503 You walk in and you just see these huge kids' sculptures, 1099 00:59:34,543 --> 00:59:35,462 you know, something with whimsy 1100 00:59:35,502 --> 00:59:39,258 and that we can shift the axes of how you look at a jail 1101 00:59:39,298 --> 00:59:45,262 from something so oppressive to something much more romantic. 1102 00:59:45,387 --> 00:59:46,681 And he's like, "Yeah, I love it." 1103 00:59:46,721 --> 00:59:48,267 And I bet he was just like, 1104 00:59:48,307 --> 00:59:51,811 "OK, Yuge's on board. I'll love whatever she says. 1105 00:59:51,851 --> 00:59:54,939 "I don't care. I've got her attention." 1106 00:59:54,979 --> 00:59:56,316 "I love it, I love it." 1107 00:59:56,356 --> 00:59:58,942 Let's do it. 1108 01:00:03,113 --> 01:00:04,241 Reality sets in 1109 01:00:04,281 --> 01:00:10,038 when you bring half a dozen major sculptural pieces. 1110 01:00:10,078 --> 01:00:11,415 As we drove home yesterday, 1111 01:00:11,455 --> 01:00:13,667 we said, "Let's just go bat shit crazy." 1112 01:00:13,707 --> 01:00:15,377 Fuck it, let's just go bat shit crazy. 1113 01:00:15,417 --> 01:00:17,003 Let's just go mad. 1114 01:00:17,043 --> 01:00:21,423 I think, also, too, we just want it to be a fun place. 1115 01:00:24,384 --> 01:00:25,885 [chuckles] 1116 01:00:32,058 --> 01:00:35,522 ♪ You're a mess, take a long deep breath ♪ 1117 01:00:35,562 --> 01:00:38,692 ♪ And get it off your chest ♪♪ 1118 01:00:38,732 --> 01:00:39,568 ♪ I don't have the answers ♪ 1119 01:00:39,608 --> 01:00:43,279 ♪ But they're probably somewhere in the question ♪♪ 1120 01:00:43,319 --> 01:00:44,781 ♪ They usually are ♪ 1121 01:00:44,821 --> 01:00:46,783 ♪ Nowhere I'd rather go ♪ 1122 01:00:46,823 --> 01:00:50,119 ♪ Than with you on your downward spiral ♪♪ 1123 01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:54,789 ♪ I'll be your wing man anytime ♪♪ 1124 01:00:54,998 --> 01:00:57,041 ♪ Like you are mine 1125 01:00:59,711 --> 01:01:03,508 ♪ If there's something that can't be helped ♪ 1126 01:01:03,548 --> 01:01:04,343 ♪ Something that... ♪ 1127 01:01:04,383 --> 01:01:07,387 -Is that your oven cleaner? -Yeah. 1128 01:01:07,427 --> 01:01:10,307 Crap your eyes, tongue. 1129 01:01:10,347 --> 01:01:12,141 It tastes like kissing a battery. 1130 01:01:12,182 --> 01:01:14,186 !♪ 'Cause when I talk you down ♪♪ 1131 01:01:14,226 --> 01:01:16,480 ♪ I confess I'm an optimist ♪ 1132 01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:20,024 ♪ And that makes you tired and restless ♪ 1133 01:01:20,064 --> 01:01:21,067 ♪ I don't have the answers ♪♪ 1134 01:01:21,107 --> 01:01:24,738 ♪ But they're probably somewhere in the question ♪♪ 1135 01:01:24,778 --> 01:01:25,905 ♪ They usually are ♪ 1136 01:01:25,945 --> 01:01:28,658 ♪ Still laugh at the same things ♪♪ 1137 01:01:28,698 --> 01:01:31,536 ♪ Same jokes, it's quite concerning ♪♪ 1138 01:01:31,576 --> 01:01:34,873 ♪ You can be my wing man anytime ♪♪ 1139 01:01:34,913 --> 01:01:38,333 ♪ Bullshit, you can be mine ♪ 1140 01:01:41,503 --> 01:01:44,673 !♪ I just want to talk you down 1141 01:01:47,467 --> 01:01:48,843 Oh! 1142 01:02:01,648 --> 01:02:05,235 [song ends] 1143 01:02:09,531 --> 01:02:10,575 Oh, the jail, 1144 01:02:10,615 --> 01:02:13,495 which he apparently is gonna open next year, 1145 01:02:13,535 --> 01:02:15,079 sort of a personal museum. 1146 01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:16,956 I mean, that's another sidebar too, 1147 01:02:16,996 --> 01:02:18,875 open your own museum to yourself. 1148 01:02:18,915 --> 01:02:21,336 And when you get to that kind of level, 1149 01:02:21,376 --> 01:02:25,381 the general attitude is not exactly disdain, 1150 01:02:25,421 --> 01:02:27,467 although that's probably accurate. 1151 01:02:27,507 --> 01:02:29,844 It's like, "Get away. 1152 01:02:29,884 --> 01:02:33,390 That's a bit too much, thanks." 1153 01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:37,101 If we really thought about it much more, 1154 01:02:37,141 --> 01:02:38,728 we probably would've stopped at 1155 01:02:38,768 --> 01:02:41,690 the considering to buy the jail part 1156 01:02:41,730 --> 01:02:43,983 and just not gone down that path. 1157 01:02:44,023 --> 01:02:46,736 We've not made a cent in five years 1158 01:02:46,776 --> 01:02:48,447 and we've poured so much into it. 1159 01:02:48,487 --> 01:02:50,615 You know, that side of things, you just go, 1160 01:02:50,655 --> 01:02:53,660 if you thought about it too much, you'd give up. 1161 01:02:53,700 --> 01:02:58,790 I think maybe David, with his such active mind, 1162 01:02:58,830 --> 01:03:02,877 seeks out those situations that feel near impossible 1163 01:03:02,917 --> 01:03:06,756 because then it occupies your mind through the challenges 1164 01:03:06,796 --> 01:03:07,674 and through the hard work, 1165 01:03:07,714 --> 01:03:11,468 and he just keeps pushing and pushing and pushing. 1166 01:03:11,635 --> 01:03:13,720 Paint tin lids! 1167 01:03:15,347 --> 01:03:16,931 [lid clattering] 1168 01:03:18,016 --> 01:03:19,393 Rope! 1169 01:03:24,272 --> 01:03:27,527 -Which is low and which is high? -Right side's lower. 1170 01:03:27,567 --> 01:03:28,820 So it's lower. 1171 01:03:28,860 --> 01:03:30,572 So it needs to be about that? 1172 01:03:30,612 --> 01:03:34,368 OK, do you want to see if there's a bit of sticky tape 1173 01:03:34,408 --> 01:03:34,909 or card or...? 1174 01:03:34,949 --> 01:03:39,706 Nuh, fuck it, let's not mess around, I just won't use those. 1175 01:03:39,746 --> 01:03:41,790 So annoying. 1176 01:03:44,167 --> 01:03:45,919 Everything's broken. 1177 01:03:48,380 --> 01:03:50,549 [kid singing] 1178 01:03:51,174 --> 01:03:52,842 We better jump in. 1179 01:03:56,513 --> 01:03:59,391 Go! Three, two, one. 1180 01:04:01,393 --> 01:04:03,269 Watch your step. 1181 01:04:04,020 --> 01:04:07,065 [groaning] 1182 01:04:07,441 --> 01:04:09,233 Babe, please. 1183 01:04:11,152 --> 01:04:12,612 Push. 1184 01:04:15,407 --> 01:04:17,033 No, I don't agree. 1185 01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:20,163 -You know what, push back! -Watch out, bub! 1186 01:04:20,203 --> 01:04:22,040 -You're gonna kill someone. -No, well... 1187 01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,333 You are, you're going to actually hurt someone. 1188 01:04:24,374 --> 01:04:27,086 Babe, don't give me a hard time. 1189 01:04:27,126 --> 01:04:28,087 I'm not giving you a hard time. 1190 01:04:28,127 --> 01:04:29,464 You don't have to fuck up the day. 1191 01:04:29,504 --> 01:04:34,886 Every single thing that I ask for hasn't happened. 1192 01:04:34,926 --> 01:04:36,971 There's shit in all the doorways. 1193 01:04:37,011 --> 01:04:39,891 Everything's broken. Don't say... 1194 01:04:39,931 --> 01:04:42,561 The stuff that I've asked everyone to do... 1195 01:04:42,601 --> 01:04:48,022 It's just... It's not fuck... It's not the Fred Flintstone era. 1196 01:04:48,398 --> 01:04:49,233 And this thing... 1197 01:04:49,273 --> 01:04:53,319 See, it's more expensive to fix this. 1198 01:04:56,072 --> 01:05:00,744 Sorry, this is all I do all day is find broken shit everywhere. 1199 01:05:10,754 --> 01:05:14,590 [sombre music plays] 1200 01:05:14,716 --> 01:05:16,801 [ominous crash] 1201 01:05:56,215 --> 01:05:58,094 There's obviously a few different ways 1202 01:05:58,134 --> 01:06:01,347 of reading the actual statement 1203 01:06:01,387 --> 01:06:04,142 running from the voices in my head. 1204 01:06:04,182 --> 01:06:06,520 You know, they will follow you. 1205 01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:12,191 You know, you think that you've set up all of the...you know, 1206 01:06:12,231 --> 01:06:14,027 if you block certain areas 1207 01:06:14,067 --> 01:06:16,320 or you've improved your health 1208 01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:20,534 and then suddenly, fuck, there it is again. 1209 01:06:20,574 --> 01:06:22,035 And you haven't even recognised it 1210 01:06:22,075 --> 01:06:26,164 because it's to... you know, it's wearing, you know, 1211 01:06:26,204 --> 01:06:28,166 totally different clothes. 1212 01:06:28,206 --> 01:06:31,920 Or you're completely different or, you know, 1213 01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:37,133 for instance, you've been functioning remarkably 1214 01:06:37,173 --> 01:06:41,429 and then suddenly you go full-blown panic attack 1215 01:06:41,469 --> 01:06:43,306 because you're fucked again, 1216 01:06:43,346 --> 01:06:49,018 and then you go, "Please, don't let this happen to me now." 1217 01:06:49,519 --> 01:06:50,479 "Oh, I'll give up drinking." 1218 01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:51,565 Oh, I've already given up drinking. 1219 01:06:51,605 --> 01:06:53,692 "Maybe you shouldn't smoke." I don't smoke. 1220 01:06:53,732 --> 01:06:57,361 "Maybe you should be healthy and run and swim and surf." 1221 01:06:57,401 --> 01:06:58,029 Well, I do that already. 1222 01:06:58,069 --> 01:07:01,866 "Maybe you should look at work that will interest you." 1223 01:07:01,906 --> 01:07:03,617 I'm doing that already. 1224 01:07:03,700 --> 01:07:08,540 And that's when I've been 1225 01:07:08,580 --> 01:07:14,503 more highly aware of, you know, my illness. 1226 01:07:14,544 --> 01:07:18,675 For me, having had this since I was about 14, 1227 01:07:18,715 --> 01:07:21,845 so what's that, 46 years or something like that, 1228 01:07:21,885 --> 01:07:25,932 I mean, come on. 46 years of doing the juggle and still some days 1229 01:07:25,972 --> 01:07:30,562 I get the knock-out punch like you would not fucking believe. 1230 01:07:30,602 --> 01:07:35,650 Only last week, it took me four hours of lying in the bed 1231 01:07:35,690 --> 01:07:41,698 and I had to move my position, I reckon, every three minutes 1232 01:07:41,738 --> 01:07:44,492 just to, sort of, stretch my body 1233 01:07:44,532 --> 01:07:46,244 or move it in a different way 1234 01:07:46,284 --> 01:07:47,036 because I was scared 1235 01:07:47,076 --> 01:07:50,707 I was gonna turn into a frozen piece of steel 1236 01:07:50,747 --> 01:07:54,085 because my anxiety was so incredibly high. 1237 01:07:54,125 --> 01:07:56,462 It was just fucking ridiculous. 1238 01:07:56,502 --> 01:07:56,963 Tell you what, 1239 01:07:57,003 --> 01:08:00,466 if I had a David Bromley fucked-in-the-head bomb 1240 01:08:00,506 --> 01:08:02,718 that I could throw at people and just say, 1241 01:08:02,758 --> 01:08:06,931 "Look, just stand over there, I'll just throw this at ya. 1242 01:08:06,971 --> 01:08:09,392 Try ten minutes of this." 1243 01:08:09,432 --> 01:08:14,147 I mean, mate, I'd be chucking it even at my friends 1244 01:08:14,187 --> 01:08:19,901 just so we could become closer or just for a prank. 1245 01:08:26,074 --> 01:08:29,368 [machinery whirrs] 1246 01:08:34,666 --> 01:08:36,125 Mm. 1247 01:08:39,879 --> 01:08:40,882 Ooh! 1248 01:08:40,922 --> 01:08:43,925 Some very early stuff here. 1249 01:08:44,467 --> 01:08:46,554 These would've been the sort of things 1250 01:08:46,594 --> 01:08:49,307 that I would've been painting on my pottery. 1251 01:08:49,347 --> 01:08:51,851 There's me as a scarecrow. 1252 01:08:51,891 --> 01:08:54,688 Whenever I look back at paintings I've done of myself, 1253 01:08:54,728 --> 01:08:59,483 "it just seems so contrived and you think, 'You fucking wanker." 1254 01:08:59,523 --> 01:09:03,569 I'll... Yeah, I've stopped doing that. 1255 01:09:03,819 --> 01:09:04,155 But, you know, 1256 01:09:04,195 --> 01:09:07,742 I quite like the thought of the guy drilling the hole 1257 01:09:07,782 --> 01:09:11,913 through the bottom of the boat to sink, you know, 1258 01:09:11,953 --> 01:09:15,164 his ex-girlfriend's boat. 1259 01:09:15,665 --> 01:09:16,250 I may be talking about 1260 01:09:16,290 --> 01:09:21,715 what the person I was with was trying to do with me there. 1261 01:09:21,755 --> 01:09:24,300 You know, I used to walk into galleries 1262 01:09:24,340 --> 01:09:25,593 and show them stuff like this 1263 01:09:25,633 --> 01:09:28,722 and, you know, I sold very, very well. 1264 01:09:28,762 --> 01:09:31,891 You know, I enjoyed it immensely then. 1265 01:09:31,931 --> 01:09:33,727 It certainly took me off the street 1266 01:09:33,767 --> 01:09:39,023 and, I must say, if there's anything I like about them, 1267 01:09:39,063 --> 01:09:46,612 you know, it's...there's a warm smile that I have at that. 1268 01:09:47,196 --> 01:09:50,366 Yeah, I haven't seen these for a long time. 1269 01:10:08,802 --> 01:10:10,096 Oh, why so sad when the sky's so blue? 1270 01:10:10,136 --> 01:10:15,059 That's what I mean, just the sheer obviousness, I suppose, 1271 01:10:15,099 --> 01:10:17,520 of that's me going through, 1272 01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:23,024 like, major, you know, depression and shit like that. 1273 01:10:24,859 --> 01:10:28,863 Fucking hell, this dude just keeps falling over. 1274 01:10:29,447 --> 01:10:34,202 This person's laughing and falling over. 1275 01:10:34,786 --> 01:10:38,416 This is, you know, a person losing their house. 1276 01:10:38,456 --> 01:10:41,085 I told you I was insecure. Shit. 1277 01:10:41,125 --> 01:10:42,045 About, you know... 1278 01:10:42,085 --> 01:10:46,925 It just shows how much I did feel like, you know, I just... 1279 01:10:46,965 --> 01:10:50,762 I was clawing to, you know, survive. 1280 01:10:50,802 --> 01:10:53,139 Some of the most painful things in my life 1281 01:10:53,179 --> 01:10:54,473 are not career challenges 1282 01:10:54,513 --> 01:10:57,726 but, you know, partners leaving me and stuff 1283 01:10:57,767 --> 01:11:00,311 because it was just too hard. 1284 01:11:01,062 --> 01:11:03,858 It's like being nail gunned to a wall, 1285 01:11:03,898 --> 01:11:06,027 you know, or left out in the middle of a desert. 1286 01:11:06,067 --> 01:11:09,948 I mean, I felt like that emotionally anyway, 1287 01:11:09,988 --> 01:11:13,034 let alone the reality of, you know, 1288 01:11:13,074 --> 01:11:14,869 falling out with people that I love 1289 01:11:14,909 --> 01:11:19,498 because, without it, it just means fuckin' nothing. 1290 01:11:19,538 --> 01:11:22,751 I was that in need of companionship and, you know, 1291 01:11:22,792 --> 01:11:27,465 you spend an inordinate amount of time by yourself 1292 01:11:27,505 --> 01:11:28,716 at the easel. 1293 01:11:28,756 --> 01:11:32,595 Months would go by without a phone call. 1294 01:11:32,635 --> 01:11:35,932 You know, my first major fears were of infinity 1295 01:11:35,972 --> 01:11:40,061 and, I mean, loneliness can be infinite, you know, 1296 01:11:40,101 --> 01:11:42,186 like a fuckin' abyss. 1297 01:11:42,770 --> 01:11:48,277 I yearned for richness and deepness of narrative and stuff. 1298 01:11:48,317 --> 01:11:53,324 I was desperate for creative and cultural resonance. 1299 01:11:53,364 --> 01:11:56,077 You know, I'd spent the last years reading every book 1300 01:11:56,117 --> 01:11:58,912 on every artist I could possibly find. 1301 01:11:58,995 --> 01:12:01,665 And, like, because I was trying to heal myself, 1302 01:12:01,705 --> 01:12:04,043 I was hangin' round with dudes that did yoga. 1303 01:12:04,083 --> 01:12:06,004 And they'd look at some of the dark shit I'm making 1304 01:12:06,044 --> 01:12:09,423 and sort of go, "Fuck, no wonder you're depressed." 1305 01:12:09,463 --> 01:12:10,633 And then you go out into the arts scene 1306 01:12:10,673 --> 01:12:14,886 and you do something light, and people are sort of, like 1307 01:12:15,303 --> 01:12:17,721 "Where's the tough stuff?" 1308 01:12:19,057 --> 01:12:22,395 I just... I don't have the constitution for it 1309 01:12:22,435 --> 01:12:24,772 and, you know, so... 1310 01:12:24,812 --> 01:12:26,982 If I would've walked down that path, 1311 01:12:27,022 --> 01:12:28,734 I mean, I would be dead by now. 1312 01:12:28,774 --> 01:12:33,865 I had to clean up my own act because my body and mind 1313 01:12:33,905 --> 01:12:37,493 couldn't take the other stuff and I'm glad. 1314 01:12:37,533 --> 01:12:38,994 I fuckin' like my life. 1315 01:12:39,034 --> 01:12:39,745 I'm not criticising others 1316 01:12:39,785 --> 01:12:43,332 but, if every sort of, like, critic or something 1317 01:12:43,372 --> 01:12:47,003 seems to think that you've gotta walk this edge 1318 01:12:47,043 --> 01:12:49,130 or the quality of your work 1319 01:12:49,170 --> 01:12:54,468 needs to show such, you know, like, risk taking constantly... 1320 01:12:54,508 --> 01:12:58,472 And that edge, I'm certainly not going to that edge 1321 01:12:58,512 --> 01:12:59,974 'cause someone wants me to. 1322 01:13:00,014 --> 01:13:01,809 And how many have we lost? 1323 01:13:01,849 --> 01:13:03,895 How many great people have we lost 1324 01:13:03,935 --> 01:13:07,022 because other people were almost encouraging them on? 1325 01:13:07,062 --> 01:13:11,319 And, again, I'm not against them. 1326 01:13:11,359 --> 01:13:13,028 I've had... I've had times 1327 01:13:13,068 --> 01:13:17,072 where I fuckin' have had to go screaming 1328 01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:21,077 hurting, the sheer fuckin' pain of living, 1329 01:13:21,702 --> 01:13:23,789 and, if I can find time to, 1330 01:13:23,829 --> 01:13:26,584 like, enjoy what I do on a daily basis 1331 01:13:26,624 --> 01:13:29,753 through a sense of, sort of, you know, like, a warmth, 1332 01:13:29,793 --> 01:13:33,882 transcending, you know, emotional sort of challenge, 1333 01:13:33,923 --> 01:13:36,219 fuckin' putting a painting up on the wall 1334 01:13:36,259 --> 01:13:37,136 because it looks fuckin' cool... 1335 01:13:37,176 --> 01:13:41,057 But it doesn't... it doesn't not need that other stuff, as well. 1336 01:13:41,097 --> 01:13:45,519 I mean, fuck, I'm a consumer of that other stuff. 1337 01:13:45,559 --> 01:13:49,647 I don't know, I just feel like I've got another job to do. 1338 01:13:50,648 --> 01:13:54,568 [gently lilting electric guitar music plays] 1339 01:14:07,123 --> 01:14:11,795 He doesn't draw dark. I see only love in his art. 1340 01:14:11,835 --> 01:14:15,714 It's always - does it make you happy? 1341 01:14:16,507 --> 01:14:21,762 A lot of David's work, I find, it gives people hope. 1342 01:14:21,971 --> 01:14:26,475 Bromley's work, really, is about beauty. 1343 01:14:26,684 --> 01:14:29,981 And joy. Childhood memories. 1344 01:14:30,021 --> 01:14:32,316 He's thinking about a contemporary child's life 1345 01:14:32,356 --> 01:14:35,653 but also about what it's like to have been a child yourself 1346 01:14:35,693 --> 01:14:37,071 and to imagine our parents as children. 1347 01:14:37,111 --> 01:14:40,158 There's something beautiful and humbling about that continuity, 1348 01:14:40,198 --> 01:14:42,117 that seeing these God-like figures 1349 01:14:42,157 --> 01:14:46,370 as actually children in their own right once upon a time. 1350 01:14:47,746 --> 01:14:50,126 [David] I've been called a lightweight a million times. 1351 01:14:50,166 --> 01:14:53,962 I've been called a flavour of the month for 30-odd years. 1352 01:14:54,003 --> 01:14:57,591 And, you know, I've had people come up to me and said, 1353 01:14:57,631 --> 01:14:58,551 "You know, I just don't get it. 1354 01:14:58,591 --> 01:15:01,637 There's nothing of any substance in it." 1355 01:15:01,677 --> 01:15:05,724 So, there's no substance in innocence, joy? 1356 01:15:05,764 --> 01:15:06,142 [chuckles] 1357 01:15:06,182 --> 01:15:11,770 You know, I think it is one of the most important things. 1358 01:15:16,191 --> 01:15:19,572 You know, one of the most difficult things for any artist 1359 01:15:19,612 --> 01:15:23,159 is to do something which is yours, 1360 01:15:23,199 --> 01:15:25,160 some vision that's yours, 1361 01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,747 something fresh and exciting and new to say 1362 01:15:28,787 --> 01:15:36,129 that truly comes from the soul and the empathy of that person. 1363 01:15:37,338 --> 01:15:38,882 Everything that comes out 1364 01:15:38,922 --> 01:15:43,221 is driven by this childlike enthusiasm 1365 01:15:43,261 --> 01:15:45,348 to explore and be adventurous 1366 01:15:45,388 --> 01:15:48,476 and it's so beautiful and so infectious, 1367 01:15:48,516 --> 01:15:51,770 and, if it ends up just being a moment that you've experienced 1368 01:15:51,810 --> 01:15:55,399 something special by yourself or with the people around you, 1369 01:15:55,439 --> 01:16:00,195 then it's done its job and that's what art's for. 1370 01:16:00,235 --> 01:16:02,155 Look, there I am! 1371 01:16:04,239 --> 01:16:05,616 Let me do the thing. 1372 01:16:07,451 --> 01:16:10,413 Ultimately, we're all seeking joy. 1373 01:16:10,579 --> 01:16:13,208 It's not always easy to find. 1374 01:16:13,248 --> 01:16:18,254 So, if your legacy is the creation of joy, 1375 01:16:18,546 --> 01:16:20,881 I think that's immense. 1376 01:16:23,008 --> 01:16:25,969 My first Bromley piece, I'm so excited. 1377 01:16:26,470 --> 01:16:29,850 His art's just fun. You look at it and it makes you smile, it makes you happy. 1378 01:16:29,890 --> 01:16:34,061 At the end of the day, that's what art's supposed to do. 1379 01:16:34,478 --> 01:16:35,439 [applause] 1380 01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:38,984 They're gonna be looked at as this power couple 1381 01:16:39,024 --> 01:16:44,738 who were, like, the greats in the Australian art world. 1382 01:16:45,364 --> 01:16:48,619 Kids will see this, they'll see his lifestyle, 1383 01:16:48,659 --> 01:16:52,165 and they'll say, "Wow, that makes me want to be an artist." 1384 01:16:52,205 --> 01:16:55,751 "I won't have to make coffee eight hours a day" 1385 01:16:55,791 --> 01:16:56,877 "and paint at night." 1386 01:16:56,917 --> 01:16:58,586 She knows painting! 1387 01:17:00,754 --> 01:17:03,591 He's the genuine artist of our time. 1388 01:17:04,133 --> 01:17:07,012 A proper evaluation should occur 1389 01:17:07,052 --> 01:17:11,350 to give him his place in the history of Australian art. 1390 01:17:11,390 --> 01:17:12,893 But it will be a long time. 1391 01:17:12,933 --> 01:17:15,270 It won't be in my lifetime or his 1392 01:17:15,310 --> 01:17:17,856 when Bromley will get a retrospective 1393 01:17:17,896 --> 01:17:20,649 at the National Gallery of Victoria. 1394 01:17:31,619 --> 01:17:34,748 We're calling it The Bromley Collection Museum 1395 01:17:34,788 --> 01:17:35,958 at the old Castlemaine Gaol. 1396 01:17:35,998 --> 01:17:39,670 More than anything, they're just artists that we love collecting 1397 01:17:39,710 --> 01:17:43,757 or works that we've had the great fortune to come across. 1398 01:17:43,797 --> 01:17:48,427 You know, everything has a very personal connection to us. 1399 01:17:48,802 --> 01:17:52,683 I was asked by a financial paper 1400 01:17:52,723 --> 01:17:55,186 to put down a value of our art, 1401 01:17:55,226 --> 01:17:58,356 and I said, "Well, let me put it this way." 1402 01:17:58,396 --> 01:18:01,317 "If I didn't have any art around me, I couldn't breathe." 1403 01:18:01,357 --> 01:18:01,942 You know? 1404 01:18:01,982 --> 01:18:06,071 I look at the value of art by imagining that it wasn't around. 1405 01:18:06,111 --> 01:18:07,865 There's the value of it. 1406 01:18:07,905 --> 01:18:11,244 It's like water, you know, air, you know, 1407 01:18:11,284 --> 01:18:12,870 I couldn't breathe without it. 1408 01:18:12,910 --> 01:18:15,748 And they said, "No, apply an actual figure" 1409 01:18:15,788 --> 01:18:17,082 "or something like that." 1410 01:18:17,122 --> 01:18:19,166 So I said, "I just did." 1411 01:18:25,464 --> 01:18:26,675 David has taken a place 1412 01:18:26,715 --> 01:18:29,637 that really represents the chaos and the confusion 1413 01:18:29,677 --> 01:18:34,473 of the human mind and put flowers in there. 1414 01:18:35,766 --> 01:18:36,644 You know, the first thing you see 1415 01:18:36,684 --> 01:18:41,106 is this, kind of, incredible, colourful creatures everywhere 1416 01:18:41,146 --> 01:18:45,278 and it was just this... from the dark to the light 1417 01:18:45,318 --> 01:18:48,196 walking through those front gates. 1418 01:18:48,237 --> 01:18:49,782 [gentle acoustic guitar music plays] 1419 01:18:49,822 --> 01:18:54,910 ♪ Goodbye my Santa Monica dream ♪♪ 1420 01:18:57,037 --> 01:19:01,376 ♪ 15 kids, in the backyard drinking wine ♪ 1421 01:19:01,416 --> 01:19:04,379 In the jail, we're putting plants in a lot of the cells, 1422 01:19:04,419 --> 01:19:11,009 so just bringing them in here, getting them used to the lights. 1423 01:19:14,555 --> 01:19:18,517 !♪ And the ones you left behind 1424 01:19:19,059 --> 01:19:23,105 Dad just was the hugest reader. 1425 01:19:26,442 --> 01:19:28,403 That's my beautiful dad. 1426 01:19:28,443 --> 01:19:29,987 [sniffles] 1427 01:19:30,404 --> 01:19:34,410 What do they say, the apple fell a fair way from the tree? 1428 01:19:34,450 --> 01:19:38,746 Occasionally, people say, "You look like your dad." 1429 01:19:40,373 --> 01:19:43,125 Me, my brother and my dad. 1430 01:19:47,546 --> 01:19:48,757 That's the last box 1431 01:19:48,797 --> 01:19:52,428 I undid years, years after they were all dead. 1432 01:19:52,468 --> 01:19:56,431 I stop and say hello to them nearly every day. 1433 01:19:56,471 --> 01:19:57,806 [sniffles] 1434 01:20:03,020 --> 01:20:05,649 Mum gets a bad rap, you know, from me 1435 01:20:05,689 --> 01:20:07,860 because Dad was the apple of my eye. 1436 01:20:07,900 --> 01:20:13,491 But Mum was good when... when the shit really came down. 1437 01:20:13,531 --> 01:20:18,076 You know, I used to wish that she was more that person. 1438 01:20:19,036 --> 01:20:21,415 You know, when my brother was dying, 1439 01:20:21,455 --> 01:20:25,085 and we had to turn off his life support, 1440 01:20:25,125 --> 01:20:28,797 you know, as anything that was still keeping him alive 1441 01:20:28,837 --> 01:20:29,882 was still in there, 1442 01:20:29,922 --> 01:20:31,800 my mum just called out and she said, 1443 01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:36,263 "Look, Paul was so gregarious and so outgoing, 1444 01:20:36,303 --> 01:20:40,476 "I think the last sound he should hear is cheering. 1445 01:20:40,516 --> 01:20:41,810 Let's cheer him out." 1446 01:20:41,850 --> 01:20:43,896 And then she just roared at the top of her voice, 1447 01:20:43,936 --> 01:20:47,482 you know, just saying, you know, "Here's cheers for Paul." 1448 01:20:47,522 --> 01:20:51,194 And I always think, "You fucking beautiful woman." 1449 01:20:51,234 --> 01:20:54,948 Like, he would've gone out to, like, 1450 01:20:54,988 --> 01:20:59,494 "Yeah, Paul, yeah, yay!" 1451 01:20:59,534 --> 01:21:04,582 I believe a nice way to be going out, you know? 1452 01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:08,587 ♪ I could call you on the telephone ♪ 1453 01:21:08,627 --> 01:21:10,631 My brother was a technical genius 1454 01:21:10,671 --> 01:21:11,549 who could build everything, 1455 01:21:11,589 --> 01:21:13,175 but I think I got my dad's... 1456 01:21:13,215 --> 01:21:13,842 Let's put it this way. 1457 01:21:13,882 --> 01:21:16,219 If Dad built a pergola or something, 1458 01:21:16,259 --> 01:21:20,515 walking under it was probably not the best idea. 1459 01:21:20,555 --> 01:21:23,727 On the weekend, he used to collect old tools 1460 01:21:23,767 --> 01:21:28,897 and these are all his old fold-out rulers. 1461 01:21:31,817 --> 01:21:34,152 Man, I loved my dad. 1462 01:21:35,570 --> 01:21:39,410 ♪ I'm somewhere 1463 01:21:39,450 --> 01:21:41,536 ♪ You're somewhere 1464 01:21:41,576 --> 01:21:43,706 You know, I always remember him saying to me, 1465 01:21:43,746 --> 01:21:47,084 you know, he was frail, doing up this old house 1466 01:21:47,124 --> 01:21:48,126 and he was incapable of it, 1467 01:21:48,166 --> 01:21:50,671 and he just said, "David, you've gotta understand, 1468 01:21:50,711 --> 01:21:53,882 "what you're looking at is not me, it's frailty. 1469 01:21:53,922 --> 01:21:54,592 It's not me." 1470 01:21:54,632 --> 01:21:56,552 When did this happen? It happened so fast? 1471 01:21:56,592 --> 01:21:58,095 He said, "You've gotta understand" 1472 01:21:58,135 --> 01:22:01,847 "that I'm just still a little boy." 1473 01:22:01,930 --> 01:22:02,725 And I just think, you know, 1474 01:22:02,765 --> 01:22:06,520 maybe we should listen to that little boy a little bit more... 1475 01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:07,562 Or that little girl. 1476 01:22:07,602 --> 01:22:09,690 You know, I don't know when people stopped 1477 01:22:09,730 --> 01:22:11,732 being that in their life. 1478 01:22:15,528 --> 01:22:20,741 ♪ 15 kids, in the backyard drinking wine ♪ 1479 01:22:22,993 --> 01:22:29,166 ♪ You tell me stories of this faith ♪ 1480 01:22:29,624 --> 01:22:31,960 Whoo! 1481 01:22:32,252 --> 01:22:36,383 ♪ And the ones we left behind 1482 01:22:36,423 --> 01:22:38,886 The reason I'm actually gonna take 15 minutes 1483 01:22:38,926 --> 01:22:42,640 to actually get in is, in all seriously, 1484 01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:45,726 I am scared I'm gonna die if I jump straight in 1485 01:22:45,766 --> 01:22:53,148 which would be really frickin' cool for the documentary, but... 1486 01:22:53,524 --> 01:22:54,276 It ended abruptly! 1487 01:22:54,316 --> 01:22:57,988 Yeah, that's it, exactly, yeah. How'd he die? 1488 01:22:58,028 --> 01:23:00,949 Oh, just watch the end of the documentary. 1489 01:23:00,989 --> 01:23:04,119 How did his children handle it and his wife? 1490 01:23:04,159 --> 01:23:06,495 Just watch, they were there. 1491 01:23:07,245 --> 01:23:07,915 Oh! 1492 01:23:07,955 --> 01:23:15,548 Seriously! Just say just go in! Oh! It's cruel! 1493 01:23:15,588 --> 01:23:19,217 Well, actually, no-one's asked me but myself to go in, 1494 01:23:19,257 --> 01:23:21,844 and now my back's cramping up. 1495 01:23:23,178 --> 01:23:24,848 Don't, please, don't. 1496 01:23:24,888 --> 01:23:29,643 She's the one to watch out for, the splasher. 1497 01:23:30,352 --> 01:23:31,229 Fuck! 1498 01:23:31,269 --> 01:23:34,482 Oh! Oh! Oh, I'm co... 1499 01:23:34,523 --> 01:23:36,692 Oh, it's so horrible! 1500 01:23:39,277 --> 01:23:41,865 -Oh! -Wow. 1501 01:23:41,905 --> 01:23:44,074 Brain freeze! 1502 01:23:44,575 --> 01:23:45,951 Oh! 1503 01:23:46,994 --> 01:23:47,871 [shouts in discomfort] 1504 01:23:47,911 --> 01:23:49,788 What noise was that? 1505 01:23:52,290 --> 01:23:54,501 [kid squeals] 1506 01:23:56,044 --> 01:23:59,506 [gentle acoustic music plays] 1507 01:24:00,423 --> 01:24:02,845 I have never met another person 1508 01:24:02,885 --> 01:24:07,766 who lives with his eyes open as much as I have with David. 1509 01:24:07,806 --> 01:24:14,106 Whether it's to do with people, art, ideas, creation, 1510 01:24:14,146 --> 01:24:15,690 it's how he lives. 1511 01:24:15,730 --> 01:24:18,569 He's taught me to have my mind open 1512 01:24:18,609 --> 01:24:24,783 to go on that journey to broaden that vision of life is. 1513 01:24:24,823 --> 01:24:28,536 ♪ 25 years and my life is still ♪ 1514 01:24:28,577 --> 01:24:34,750 ♪ Trying to get up this great big hill of hope ♪ 1515 01:24:35,959 --> 01:24:39,006 ♪ For a destination 1516 01:24:39,046 --> 01:24:41,008 He is both the most giving person 1517 01:24:41,048 --> 01:24:42,509 that I think I've come across, 1518 01:24:42,549 --> 01:24:45,638 and giving not just in material things, 1519 01:24:45,678 --> 01:24:46,805 but of himself, 1520 01:24:46,845 --> 01:24:48,140 of his knowledge, of his creativity. 1521 01:24:48,180 --> 01:24:51,767 He's a giver, an extraordinary giver. 1522 01:24:52,225 --> 01:24:54,479 ♪ For whatever that means 1523 01:24:54,519 --> 01:24:56,106 I don't think he finds life easy 1524 01:24:56,146 --> 01:25:00,736 but he's determined not to succumb to that. 1525 01:25:00,776 --> 01:25:01,987 You know, it's part of his process 1526 01:25:02,027 --> 01:25:05,741 about rising to the occasion on a daily basis. 1527 01:25:05,781 --> 01:25:06,241 God! 1528 01:25:06,281 --> 01:25:11,620 ♪ I'm feeling a little peculiar ♪ 1529 01:25:14,748 --> 01:25:20,087 I don't know how many layers are on my shoes but 1530 01:25:21,004 --> 01:25:25,175 I love, at the end of the day, 1531 01:25:25,801 --> 01:25:27,304 givin' 'em a 1532 01:25:27,344 --> 01:25:29,262 givin' 'em a clean-up. 1533 01:25:30,180 --> 01:25:31,932 My trousers, too. 1534 01:25:32,725 --> 01:25:33,977 A lot of people wouldn't think 1535 01:25:34,017 --> 01:25:37,522 that David is somebody who struggles, 1536 01:25:37,562 --> 01:25:40,108 especially someone with a laugh as big as his. 1537 01:25:40,148 --> 01:25:43,361 You know, I think he manages so beautifully 1538 01:25:43,401 --> 01:25:48,826 and I think he's so much more aware of how much he has to lose 1539 01:25:48,866 --> 01:25:54,206 now that he's got a real sense of fight in him 1540 01:25:54,246 --> 01:25:57,459 that I don't think existed in the same way 1541 01:25:57,499 --> 01:25:58,376 when he was younger. 1542 01:25:58,416 --> 01:26:01,546 And that's due in part to Yuge and to the kids 1543 01:26:01,586 --> 01:26:07,678 and all of the wonderful things that he has in his life. 1544 01:26:07,718 --> 01:26:09,678 Hey! 1545 01:26:17,102 --> 01:26:18,105 ♪ And I try 1546 01:26:18,145 --> 01:26:20,148 We talk about it all the time, 1547 01:26:20,188 --> 01:26:21,524 that what we are doing 1548 01:26:21,564 --> 01:26:25,487 is essentially in hope that one of our kids, 1549 01:26:25,527 --> 01:26:28,656 or all of our kids, would like to take over one day. 1550 01:26:28,697 --> 01:26:31,952 That would be an absolute dream of ours, 1551 01:26:31,992 --> 01:26:33,828 and, if they want to, 1552 01:26:33,868 --> 01:26:37,165 through being exposed to it from an early age, 1553 01:26:37,205 --> 01:26:39,459 then that would be magical. 1554 01:26:39,499 --> 01:26:43,296 ♪ Every single day ♪♪ 1555 01:26:43,336 --> 01:26:46,589 What a nice day to be outside! 1556 01:26:47,382 --> 01:26:48,343 [laughter] 1557 01:26:48,383 --> 01:26:52,723 ♪ So I cry sometimes when I'm lying in bed ♪ 1558 01:26:52,763 --> 01:26:56,518 If I could tell you how happy I am about being alive, 1559 01:26:56,558 --> 01:26:57,936 there's just no vocabulary 1560 01:26:57,976 --> 01:27:02,315 to turn around and say just how fuckin' much I love life. 1561 01:27:02,355 --> 01:27:05,235 Like, it's embarrassing, you know? 1562 01:27:05,275 --> 01:27:07,862 I'm wet-my-pants excited 1563 01:27:07,902 --> 01:27:11,033 by virtually every minute of every day. 1564 01:27:11,073 --> 01:27:13,158 It's fucking glorious. 1565 01:27:13,283 --> 01:27:14,702 I just... I love my life so much. 1566 01:27:14,743 --> 01:27:17,205 I love my wife so much. I love my kids so much. 1567 01:27:17,245 --> 01:27:19,207 I love my mates. I love what I do. 1568 01:27:19,247 --> 01:27:21,876 I love the air. I love the sky. I'm... 1569 01:27:21,916 --> 01:27:24,922 Like, there is absolutely no doubt 1570 01:27:24,962 --> 01:27:27,549 that I've got a certain brain damage, 1571 01:27:27,589 --> 01:27:30,218 something's pressing on a part of my brain 1572 01:27:30,258 --> 01:27:31,719 where I absolutely love it, 1573 01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:35,515 and I think that's why I'm so cut when, you know, 1574 01:27:35,555 --> 01:27:37,517 I'm hurting deeply or something, 1575 01:27:37,557 --> 01:27:42,687 but maybe that's also why I appreciate it so much. 1576 01:27:44,356 --> 01:27:45,941 ♪ I said hey 1577 01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:48,695 ♪ What's going on? 1578 01:27:48,735 --> 01:27:51,364 They call Matisse the painter of light. 1579 01:27:51,404 --> 01:27:53,366 But he said it took a lot of darkness 1580 01:27:53,406 --> 01:27:56,494 for him to be the painter of light, and I... 1581 01:27:56,534 --> 01:28:00,123 You know, I want to be a bit of a painter of joy or light, 1582 01:28:00,163 --> 01:28:05,085 but I don't just want it to come from darkness. 1583 01:28:08,130 --> 01:28:11,718 ♪ 25 years and my life is still ♪ 1584 01:28:11,758 --> 01:28:17,972 ♪ Trying to get up the great big hill of hope ♪ 1585 01:28:18,973 --> 01:28:22,895 ♪ For a destination 1586 01:28:42,455 --> 01:28:48,463 ♪ Don't be concerned about your car not working ♪ 1587 01:28:48,503 --> 01:28:50,507 ♪ Boy, you're losing it ♪ 1588 01:28:50,547 --> 01:28:56,847 !♪ Don't be confused about these games you're playing ♪ 1589 01:28:56,887 --> 01:28:59,182 ♪ You are choosing it ♪ 1590 01:28:59,222 --> 01:29:04,561 ♪ Leave it alone now, just need time ♪ 1591 01:29:04,644 --> 01:29:07,440 ♪ Time 1592 01:29:07,480 --> 01:29:12,820 ♪ Leave it alone now, you will find ♪ 1593 01:29:12,861 --> 01:29:15,073 ♪ Find 1594 01:29:15,113 --> 01:29:20,913 ♪ We all have the lightness to be OK ♪♪ 1595 01:29:20,953 --> 01:29:23,665 ♪ OK, OK for now ♪ 1596 01:29:23,705 --> 01:29:29,379 ♪ We all have the lightness to be OK ♪ 1597 01:29:29,419 --> 01:29:33,048 ♪ OK, OK for now ♪♪ 1598 01:29:34,799 --> 01:29:41,099 ♪ Don't be concerned about your job not working out ♪ 1599 01:29:41,139 --> 01:29:42,809 ♪ You will figure out ♪ 1600 01:29:42,849 --> 01:29:47,021 ♪ Every moment will pass in a moment ♪♪ 1601 01:29:47,061 --> 01:29:51,776 ♪ Everything that you need will be open ♪ 1602 01:29:51,816 --> 01:29:57,199 ♪ Leave it alone now, you just need time ♪ 1603 01:29:57,239 --> 01:30:00,243 ♪ Time 1604 01:30:00,283 --> 01:30:05,457 ♪ Leave it alone now, you will find ♪ 1605 01:30:05,497 --> 01:30:07,918 ♪ Find ♪ 1606 01:30:07,958 --> 01:30:13,381 ♪ We all have the lightness to be OK ♪ 1607 01:30:13,421 --> 01:30:16,176 ♪ OK, OK for now ♪ 1608 01:30:16,216 --> 01:30:21,848 ♪ We all have the lightness to be OK ♪ 1609 01:30:21,888 --> 01:30:25,600 ♪ OK, OK for now ♪ 1610 01:30:26,935 --> 01:30:33,108 ♪ Love is all we needed to be here for ♪ 1611 01:30:35,235 --> 01:30:41,533 ♪ Love is all we needed to be here for ♪ 1612 01:30:43,410 --> 01:30:45,622 So, Sean, you're doing a documentary. 1613 01:30:45,662 --> 01:30:46,957 What does that entail? 1614 01:30:46,997 --> 01:30:48,083 All of the Bromleys saying, 1615 01:30:48,123 --> 01:30:49,960 "Look at me do this, look at me do that." 1616 01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:50,502 [Yuge laughing] 1617 01:30:50,542 --> 01:30:55,129 "Look at our dog, look at our dog running through the grass." 1618 01:30:55,505 --> 01:30:57,842 Actually, he is...he's... 1619 01:30:57,882 --> 01:30:59,427 I'm telling you, he'll just love it. 1620 01:30:59,467 --> 01:31:04,182 ['Peer Gynt - Suite No. 1, Op. 46' by Edvarg Grieg plays] 1621 01:31:04,222 --> 01:31:06,058 [laughter] 1622 01:31:06,641 --> 01:31:09,103 Fuck you, guys, you're always hanging around! 1623 01:31:09,143 --> 01:31:13,316 I don't even know who you are! Very invasive! 1624 01:31:13,356 --> 01:31:15,442 From the council. 1625 01:31:16,443 --> 01:31:18,987 [mock screams] 1626 01:31:19,153 --> 01:31:23,033 This is me crying. [mock screams] 1627 01:31:25,827 --> 01:31:27,539 Sean, you know what's happened? 1628 01:31:27,579 --> 01:31:28,206 You know what's happened 1629 01:31:28,246 --> 01:31:29,541 with all the years of hanging around me? 1630 01:31:29,581 --> 01:31:31,709 -What's that? -You've become an art critic. 1631 01:31:31,749 --> 01:31:34,586 -Yeah! -Come here, come here. 1632 01:31:35,378 --> 01:31:38,923 Hello, hello, hello, hello! [singsong voice] 1633 01:31:41,384 --> 01:31:42,762 -OK. -Right. 1634 01:31:42,802 --> 01:31:43,388 Where are we going? 1635 01:31:43,428 --> 01:31:47,141 Going to look at the patterns and hopefully finding the Milo. 1636 01:31:47,181 --> 01:31:49,394 Your Milo. I know where my Milo is. 1637 01:31:49,434 --> 01:31:50,144 Oh, there's mine! 1638 01:31:50,184 --> 01:31:52,147 No, that's actually mi... Oh, yeah. 1639 01:31:52,187 --> 01:31:55,523 That's mine. -Mine's on that side. -That's my Milo! 1640 01:31:58,818 --> 01:32:03,325 Sean! This is what happens when your film is a flop. 1641 01:32:03,365 --> 01:32:06,493 Off with your head and in the cabinet! 1642 01:32:08,328 --> 01:32:11,458 [laughter] You're cute! 1643 01:32:11,498 --> 01:32:14,626 Yes, little red blobby man. 1644 01:32:15,627 --> 01:32:20,050 Oh, you haven't seen Dave's amazing big artworks up here! 1645 01:32:20,090 --> 01:32:24,054 Come have a look. Oh, they're so nice. 1646 01:32:24,094 --> 01:32:24,637 What is the crab? 1647 01:32:24,677 --> 01:32:31,018 Oh... It's actually a French sculptor called... Ooh, shit! 1648 01:32:31,059 --> 01:32:32,602 Are you OK, Sean? 1649 01:32:33,770 --> 01:32:36,356 I was going in for the crab. 1650 01:33:26,614 --> 01:33:30,493 [taps a gentle melody] 1651 01:33:37,750 --> 01:33:39,794 [taps melodically] 129584

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