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man: It's a central tendency in government to plan for the normal,

in government to plan for the normal, and disasters aren't normal !

for the normal, and disasters aren't normal ! They're gonna be overwhelmed.

and disasters aren't normal ! They're gonna be overwhelmed. They're not gonna be

They're gonna be overwhelmed. They're not gonna be ready for it.

man: People are gonna die, and there isn't a whole lot we're gonna be able to do about it.

man: We have a saying that we're nine meals away from anarchy.

that we're nine meals away from anarchy. woman: You'll start to see a

away from anarchy. woman: You'll start to see a true disintegration of society.

woman: You'll start to see a true disintegration of society. man: People will form together

true disintegration of society. man: People will form together in gangs to go obtain

man: People will form together in gangs to go obtain the resources they need.

in gangs to go obtain the resources they need. man: They're gonna be looking

the resources they need. man: They're gonna be looking for food, they're going

man: They're gonna be looking for food, they're going to be looking for drugs.

woman: Chris ! man: There are gonna be some grade-A predators out there.

man: There are gonna be some grade-A predators out there. woman: Whoa, turn that off,

grade-A predators out there. woman: Whoa, turn that off, turn that off !

woman: Whoa, turn that off, turn that off ! woman: Large urban centers

turn that off ! woman: Large urban centers will be uninhabitable.

woman: Large urban centers will be uninhabitable. woman: Get him down,

will be uninhabitable. woman: Get him down, get him down, get him down !

woman: Get him down, get him down, get him down ! woman: Very dangerous places.

man: Some small communities would put up barriers. man: The man said no !

would put up barriers. man: The man said no ! man: You're gonna find things

man: The man said no ! man: You're gonna find things along the route that are

man: You're gonna find things along the route that are gonna be useful to you,

along the route that are gonna be useful to you, and you're gonna take them.

man: You're gonna have to forage, which is a nice word for looting.

forage, which is a nice word for looting. The hardest thing in the world

for looting. The hardest thing in the world for anybody would be

The hardest thing in the world for anybody would be to take another life.

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man: Nothing could've prepared us for what happened. Millions dead in

prepared us for what happened. Millions dead in a matter of weeks.

Millions dead in a matter of weeks. Billions across the world.

a matter of weeks. Billions across the world. America was devastated.

Billions across the world. America was devastated. Nowhere was spared.

America was devastated. Nowhere was spared. Without food, water, or power,

Nowhere was spared. Without food, water, or power, cities like ours

Without food, water, or power, cities like ours became wastelands.

cities like ours became wastelands. We were just an ordinary family.

became wastelands. We were just an ordinary family. But pretty soon we realized

We were just an ordinary family. But pretty soon we realized if we wanted to stay alive,

But pretty soon we realized if we wanted to stay alive, we had to get out of the city.

if we wanted to stay alive, we had to get out of the city. We thought we were leaving

we had to get out of the city. We thought we were leaving the worst behind us.

We thought we were leaving the worst behind us. But we were wrong.

the worst behind us. But we were wrong. Tim: Where law and order's

But we were wrong. Tim: Where law and order's broken down, and all the systems

Tim: Where law and order's broken down, and all the systems have broken down,

broken down, and all the systems have broken down, that's really nightmare stuff.

have broken down, that's really nightmare stuff. Lee: Very few of us have

that's really nightmare stuff. Lee: Very few of us have the skill sets to survive

Lee: Very few of us have the skill sets to survive in this radically changed world.

man: At some point in a long-term crisis, the city's uninhabitable.

a long-term crisis, the city's uninhabitable. And you need to move

the city's uninhabitable. And you need to move and you have no choice.

And you need to move and you have no choice. You have to move.

and you have no choice. You have to move. How do you stay secure ?

You have to move. How do you stay secure ? Joseph: People trying to escape

How do you stay secure ? Joseph: People trying to escape from cities, they're going to

Joseph: People trying to escape from cities, they're going to encounter looters,

from cities, they're going to encounter looters, gangs, thieves.

Michael: What you wanna be is as invisible as possible. woman: Turn that off,

is as invisible as possible. woman: Turn that off, turn that off !

woman: Turn that off, turn that off ! Michael: If people see you,

turn that off ! Michael: If people see you, you want their eyes just

Michael: If people see you, you want their eyes just to roll over you.

you want their eyes just to roll over you. man: Keep him down.

Kevin: It would be most frightening to have family members with me

frightening to have family members with me that I had to protect.

members with me that I had to protect. It'd be hard to not feel

that I had to protect. It'd be hard to not feel a tremendous sense of guilt

It'd be hard to not feel a tremendous sense of guilt about that.

a tremendous sense of guilt about that. man: Once we hit the freeway,

about that. man: Once we hit the freeway, we should be out of the city

man: Once we hit the freeway, we should be out of the city in like an hour.

Great !

Joseph: If enough people try to evacuate, the roads simply become so jammed that you get

to evacuate, the roads simply become so jammed that you get traffic jams that stretch

become so jammed that you get traffic jams that stretch for tens of miles.

traffic jams that stretch for tens of miles. man: I'm gonna check

for tens of miles. man: I'm gonna check the freeway-- lock the doors.

man: I'm gonna check the freeway-- lock the doors. Joseph: Roads become

the freeway-- lock the doors. Joseph: Roads become simply impassable.

Joseph: Roads become simply impassable. People begin even to die

simply impassable. People begin even to die in their vehicles, and those

People begin even to die in their vehicles, and those vehicles block the roads

in their vehicles, and those vehicles block the roads and prevent further egress.

Rick: Gridlock would be a major secondary event.

Joseph: People would masquerade as police, pretending to be police or other authorities.

as police, pretending to be police or other authorities. man: Ellen, look.

police or other authorities. man: Ellen, look. Joseph: And it could be

man: Ellen, look. Joseph: And it could be difficult for people to tell

Joseph: And it could be difficult for people to tell who is official, who isn't,

difficult for people to tell who is official, who isn't, who might be on their side,

who is official, who isn't, who might be on their side, and who isn't.

who might be on their side, and who isn't. And many people

and who isn't. And many people would make mistakes.

And many people would make mistakes. man: I think it's

would make mistakes. man: I think it's the National Guard.

man: I think it's the National Guard. Ellen: Do you think maybe they

the National Guard. Ellen: Do you think maybe they could help us find a way

Ellen: Do you think maybe they could help us find a way out of the city ?

could help us find a way out of the city ? boy: If it's the National Guard,

out of the city ? boy: If it's the National Guard, why aren't they in uniform ?

boy: If it's the National Guard, why aren't they in uniform ? man: Get him down !

why aren't they in uniform ? man: Get him down ! Get him down !

man: Get him down ! Get him down ! Get him down !

Get him down ! Get him down ! ( gunfire )

Get him down ! ( gunfire ) ( tires squealing )

( Ellen crying ) boy: Slow down ! What are you doing ?

boy: Slow down ! What are you doing ? Slow down-- Dad !

( man panting )

woman: Concern is today mounting over a deadly new strain of influenza, which is reportedly

over a deadly new strain of influenza, which is reportedly sweeping through parts of

influenza, which is reportedly sweeping through parts of Southeast Asia.

sweeping through parts of Southeast Asia. The outbreak is believed to have

Southeast Asia. The outbreak is believed to have already claimed the lives

The outbreak is believed to have already claimed the lives of over 25,000 people,

already claimed the lives of over 25,000 people, despite a raft of emergency

of over 25,000 people, despite a raft of emergency measures to try and control

despite a raft of emergency measures to try and control its spread.

measures to try and control its spread. David: We average a pandemic

its spread. David: We average a pandemic every 30 to 40 years.

David: We average a pandemic every 30 to 40 years. It's a cycle

every 30 to 40 years. It's a cycle that we can predict.

It's a cycle that we can predict. Tim: It's almost 100 years

that we can predict. Tim: It's almost 100 years since we saw a really severe

Tim: It's almost 100 years since we saw a really severe one, so we've begun to

since we saw a really severe one, so we've begun to think we're immune.

one, so we've begun to think we're immune. But let me tell you,

think we're immune. But let me tell you, Mother Nature is still

But let me tell you, Mother Nature is still lurking there.

Mother Nature is still lurking there. If we get one of these

lurking there. If we get one of these rapid-moving viruses,

If we get one of these rapid-moving viruses, like the swine flu, combined

rapid-moving viruses, like the swine flu, combined with the fatality rate of avian

like the swine flu, combined with the fatality rate of avian flu, we would see unspeakable,

with the fatality rate of avian flu, we would see unspeakable, indescribable catastrophe.

man: With the world now facing an official Global Pandemic Alert, US government agencies

an official Global Pandemic Alert, US government agencies confirmed there were as yet

Alert, US government agencies confirmed there were as yet no suspected cases

confirmed there were as yet no suspected cases in North America.

no suspected cases in North America. However, all flights between

in North America. However, all flights between Southeast Asia and the US have

However, all flights between Southeast Asia and the US have been temporarily suspended...

Southeast Asia and the US have been temporarily suspended... man: Seriously, do you have

been temporarily suspended... man: Seriously, do you have to film everything ?

man: Seriously, do you have to film everything ? boy: Yep.

to film everything ? boy: Yep. Ellen: Hey, Chris ?

boy: Yep. Ellen: Hey, Chris ? Do you think you could take

Ellen: Hey, Chris ? Do you think you could take Casey to soccer tonight ?

Do you think you could take Casey to soccer tonight ? Chris: Uh, yeah, what time ?

Casey to soccer tonight ? Chris: Uh, yeah, what time ? Ellen: 7:00.

Chris: Uh, yeah, what time ? Ellen: 7:00. Joseph: It takes dense

Ellen: 7:00. Joseph: It takes dense populations to have a pandemic,

Joseph: It takes dense populations to have a pandemic, so of course cities would be

populations to have a pandemic, so of course cities would be the most vulnerable.

so of course cities would be the most vulnerable. Robyn: In 2007 more than half

the most vulnerable. Robyn: In 2007 more than half of the world's population,

Robyn: In 2007 more than half of the world's population, for the first time in human

of the world's population, for the first time in human history, lived in cities.

for the first time in human history, lived in cities. Rick: Transmissibility

history, lived in cities. Rick: Transmissibility depends on person-to-person

Rick: Transmissibility depends on person-to-person contact or very close proximity,

depends on person-to-person contact or very close proximity, and we've got that.

contact or very close proximity, and we've got that. Chris: I'll see you at 7:00,

and we've got that. Chris: I'll see you at 7:00, okay ?

Chris: I'll see you at 7:00, okay ? Casey: Okay, later.

okay ? Casey: Okay, later. David: Given the amount of

Casey: Okay, later. David: Given the amount of global networking,

David: Given the amount of global networking, you can spread a disease

global networking, you can spread a disease these days within a matter

you can spread a disease these days within a matter of hours and days.

these days within a matter of hours and days. Tim: It would be here, it would

of hours and days. Tim: It would be here, it would be among us before we had

Tim: It would be here, it would be among us before we had the chance to react.

Chris: Hey, morning. man: Hey, look at thisuy strolling in 15 minutes late.

man: Hey, look at thisuy strolling in 15 minutes late. Chris: Sorry about that.

strolling in 15 minutes late. Chris: Sorry about that. man: Oh, it's all good.

Chris: Sorry about that. man: Oh, it's all good. Tim: If people have been

man: Oh, it's all good. Tim: If people have been warned a few times before,

Tim: If people have been warned a few times before, then their level of sensible

warned a few times before, then their level of sensible reaction goes down.

then their level of sensible reaction goes down. Chris: Did you see that stuff

reaction goes down. Chris: Did you see that stuff on the news last night ?

Chris: Did you see that stuff on the news last night ? Y'know, this virus over in Asia.

on the news last night ? Y'know, this virus over in Asia. man: Oh, give me a break.

Y'know, this virus over in Asia. man: Oh, give me a break. Swine flu, mad cow disease,

man: Oh, give me a break. Swine flu, mad cow disease, avian flu, schmada, schmada.

Swine flu, mad cow disease, avian flu, schmada, schmada. You know what I mean ?

avian flu, schmada, schmada. You know what I mean ? Let's go.

You know what I mean ? Let's go. Tim: It may take a lot of

Let's go. Tim: It may take a lot of shaking people by the collective

Tim: It may take a lot of shaking people by the collective lapels to say, look,

shaking people by the collective lapels to say, look, all those previous messages

lapels to say, look, all those previous messages didn't really come to anything,

all those previous messages didn't really come to anything, but this is the big one.

Chris: We'll take very good care of you here, sir. Tim: In the early stages,

care of you here, sir. Tim: In the early stages, we haven't got a clue

Tim: In the early stages, we haven't got a clue what it is, of course.

we haven't got a clue what it is, of course. And what do we do with that

what it is, of course. And what do we do with that person who's suffering from

And what do we do with that person who's suffering from an unknown respiratory disease ?

person who's suffering from an unknown respiratory disease ? man: We're gonna get him to

an unknown respiratory disease ? man: We're gonna get him to a specialist unit right away.

man: We're gonna get him to a specialist unit right away. Tim: We'd better put this person

a specialist unit right away. Tim: We'd better put this person in the more specialist hospital

Tim: We'd better put this person in the more specialist hospital on the other side of the city.

in the more specialist hospital on the other side of the city. Now two hospitals

on the other side of the city. Now two hospitals are now infected.

Now two hospitals are now infected. So in no time at all,

are now infected. So in no time at all, it's gonna set off.

So in no time at all, it's gonna set off. man: Today alarm is growing that

it's gonna set off. man: Today alarm is growing that the global flu crisis may be out

man: Today alarm is growing that the global flu crisis may be out of control, with reports of

the global flu crisis may be out of control, with reports of hundreds of thousands of cases

of control, with reports of hundreds of thousands of cases in major cities across Europe,

hundreds of thousands of cases in major cities across Europe, South America, Russia,

in major cities across Europe, South America, Russia, and even as far afield

South America, Russia, and even as far afield as Southern Africa.

Robyn: There certainly is the potential to develop a vaccine. The problem is, will it be

potential to develop a vaccine. The problem is, will it be prepared quickly enough and

The problem is, will it be prepared quickly enough and in the volume that you need ?

prepared quickly enough and in the volume that you need ? Probably not.

in the volume that you need ? Probably not. Rick: Those of us who are

Probably not. Rick: Those of us who are exposed to viruses that we

Rick: Those of us who are exposed to viruses that we haven't had any previous

exposed to viruses that we haven't had any previous experience with

haven't had any previous experience with have no immunity to that virus.

Joseph: Initially many people might try to leave the cities. Chris: Hey, Keith.

might try to leave the cities. Chris: Hey, Keith. Keith: Hey !

Chris: Hey, Keith. Keith: Hey ! Chris: What's going on ?

Keith: Hey ! Chris: What's going on ? Joseph: This might actually be

Chris: What's going on ? Joseph: This might actually be one of the ways that the disease

Joseph: This might actually be one of the ways that the disease spreads to the countryside.

one of the ways that the disease spreads to the countryside. Keith: We're heading to

spreads to the countryside. Keith: We're heading to Washington state,

Keith: We're heading to Washington state, so we'll see you guys later.

Washington state, so we'll see you guys later. Chris: All right, be safe.

Rick: We don't have very many examples of mass migration that has gone peacefully.

examples of mass migration that has gone peacefully. Kevin: It's gonna be hard for

that has gone peacefully. Kevin: It's gonna be hard for people to evacuate a small space

Kevin: It's gonna be hard for people to evacuate a small space in a very short amount of time

people to evacuate a small space in a very short amount of time without there being

in a very short amount of time without there being complete chaos.

without there being complete chaos. Robyn: In the early stages,

complete chaos. Robyn: In the early stages, you'll still try and maintain

Robyn: In the early stages, you'll still try and maintain critical services.

you'll still try and maintain critical services. But only a small fraction of

critical services. But only a small fraction of people will show up for work.

But only a small fraction of people will show up for work. You'll have a shortfall exactly

people will show up for work. You'll have a shortfall exactly when you need an increase.

You'll have a shortfall exactly when you need an increase. Ellen: What are you doing ?

when you need an increase. Ellen: What are you doing ? Chris: Going to work.

Ellen: What are you doing ? Chris: Going to work. Ellen: Going to work ?

Chris: Going to work. Ellen: Going to work ? Why are you going to work ?

Ellen: Going to work ? Why are you going to work ? Chris: 'Cause that's what I do.

Why are you going to work ? Chris: 'Cause that's what I do. Ellen: Shouldn't you being

Chris: 'Cause that's what I do. Ellen: Shouldn't you being staying home here

Ellen: Shouldn't you being staying home here with Casey and me ?

staying home here with Casey and me ? Chris: Honey, you and Casey

with Casey and me ? Chris: Honey, you and Casey are gonna be fine, okay ?

Chris: Honey, you and Casey are gonna be fine, okay ? I'll stop by the store

are gonna be fine, okay ? I'll stop by the store and pick up some things.

Rick: I'm absolutely convinced that our medical-care providers will do the best that they can,

that our medical-care providers will do the best that they can, but they're gonna

will do the best that they can, but they're gonna be overwhelmed.

but they're gonna be overwhelmed. There's no way around that.

Tim: No use going to a hospital. They're gonna barricade the doors and say "go away"

They're gonna barricade the doors and say "go away" through the keyhole.

the doors and say "go away" through the keyhole. Robyn: And in any case,

through the keyhole. Robyn: And in any case, what would we do with them ?

Robyn: And in any case, what would we do with them ? We don't have drugs

what would we do with them ? We don't have drugs and we don't have vaccine.

Chris: Hey, Fred, what's going on ? Fred: You can't come in.

what's going on ? Fred: You can't come in. Chris: Why ?

Fred: You can't come in. Chris: Why ? Fred: Just closed the hospital.

Chris: Why ? Fred: Just closed the hospital. Chris: They did what ?

Fred: Just closed the hospital. Chris: They did what ? David: In Los Angeles County,

Chris: They did what ? David: In Los Angeles County, we have close to 10 million

David: In Los Angeles County, we have close to 10 million people, and the average

we have close to 10 million people, and the average bed count sits around 25,000.

people, and the average bed count sits around 25,000. And maybe 4,000 available

bed count sits around 25,000. And maybe 4,000 available on any given day.

And maybe 4,000 available on any given day. In some instances,

on any given day. In some instances, the bed count's as low as

In some instances, the bed count's as low as several hundred.

the bed count's as low as several hundred. The system is close to capacity

several hundred. The system is close to capacity on a daily basis.

Based on the magnitude of this type of event, the numbers aren't good.

type of event, the numbers aren't good. If you take just .1% of

the numbers aren't good. If you take just .1% of the entire population,

If you take just .1% of the entire population, you're looking at close to 9

the entire population, you're looking at close to 9 or 10,000 people that could die.

And that's just in a general scenario. You get into a scenario where

a general scenario. You get into a scenario where 70 or 80% of the entire area

You get into a scenario where 70 or 80% of the entire area is experiencing a severe

70 or 80% of the entire area is experiencing a severe or virulent pandemic strain,

is experiencing a severe or virulent pandemic strain, you're looking at numbers

or virulent pandemic strain, you're looking at numbers that are off the charts.

you're looking at numbers that are off the charts. ( people coughing )

that are off the charts. ( people coughing ) Robyn: Will healthcare

( people coughing ) Robyn: Will healthcare providers abandon

Robyn: Will healthcare providers abandon their patients ?

providers abandon their patients ? You almost never see it,

their patients ? You almost never see it, but we did see it in sporadic

You almost never see it, but we did see it in sporadic cases in Katrina.

Kevin: Medical supplies will be in very short supply. If you have IVs or you have

will be in very short supply. If you have IVs or you have medicines, antibiotics

If you have IVs or you have medicines, antibiotics in particular, those things will

medicines, antibiotics in particular, those things will be worth their weight in gold.

Robyn: If I was that person, I would hide my special skill set.

I would hide my special skill set. man: Are you a doctor ?

skill set. man: Are you a doctor ? Chris: No.

man: Are you a doctor ? Chris: No. Robyn: I would be in such

Chris: No. Robyn: I would be in such great demand, there might

Robyn: I would be in such great demand, there might almost be a bounty on me.

great demand, there might almost be a bounty on me. Chris: Sorry.

almost be a bounty on me. Chris: Sorry. Michael: Sooner or later,

Chris: Sorry. Michael: Sooner or later, every caregiver has to say,

Michael: Sooner or later, every caregiver has to say, "I have a family.

every caregiver has to say, "I have a family. My family is at risk."

man: As government officials were forced to admit global efforts to control the pandemic

were forced to admit global efforts to control the pandemic were failing, hospitals in

efforts to control the pandemic were failing, hospitals in Los Angeles County reported

were failing, hospitals in Los Angeles County reported an unprecedented surge

Los Angeles County reported an unprecedented surge in new cases...

an unprecedented surge in new cases... Ellen: I can't watch

in new cases... Ellen: I can't watch this anymore.

I wanna get out of here. What do you think about going to Idaho ?

What do you think about going to Idaho ? Chris: Just gotta sit tight

about going to Idaho ? Chris: Just gotta sit tight for a while, okay ?

Chris: Just gotta sit tight for a while, okay ? Rick: They will recognize that

for a while, okay ? Rick: They will recognize that their survival and well-being is

Rick: They will recognize that their survival and well-being is in their own hands

their survival and well-being is in their own hands and that they might not

in their own hands and that they might not be well-prepared for it.

and that they might not be well-prepared for it. ( Ellen crying )

be well-prepared for it. ( Ellen crying ) Chris: In little more

( Ellen crying ) Chris: In little more than two weeks,

Chris: In little more than two weeks, our world had been torn apart.

than two weeks, our world had been torn apart. We were clinging to what

our world had been torn apart. We were clinging to what remained of our lives.

We were clinging to what remained of our lives. But soon the world around us

remained of our lives. But soon the world around us would be changed forever.

woman: The US government today admitted the Global Flu Pandemic

today admitted the Global Flu Pandemic is no longer containable.

the Global Flu Pandemic is no longer containable. Official advice remains that

is no longer containable. Official advice remains that to prevent infection,

Official advice remains that to prevent infection, people should stay at home and

to prevent infection, people should stay at home and avoid all unnecessary travel.

people should stay at home and avoid all unnecessary travel. Michael: As the pandemic

avoid all unnecessary travel. Michael: As the pandemic progresses, everybody is

Michael: As the pandemic progresses, everybody is thinking, it's going to pass.

progresses, everybody is thinking, it's going to pass. And everything will revert

thinking, it's going to pass. And everything will revert back to normal.

And everything will revert back to normal. But then somewhere outside of

back to normal. But then somewhere outside of three days, four days,

But then somewhere outside of three days, four days, five days,

three days, four days, five days, the situation gets real.

five days, the situation gets real. Ellen: Susan ?

the situation gets real. Ellen: Susan ? How are things in Idaho ?

Ellen: Susan ? How are things in Idaho ? No, no, we're not sick.

How are things in Idaho ? No, no, we're not sick. Neil: In the earthquake that

No, no, we're not sick. Neil: In the earthquake that hit the San Francisco Bay Area

Neil: In the earthquake that hit the San Francisco Bay Area in 1989, the whole

hit the San Francisco Bay Area in 1989, the whole mass-communication

in 1989, the whole mass-communication system just broke down...

mass-communication system just broke down... Ellen: Susan ?

system just broke down... Ellen: Susan ? Neil: ... mainly from overuse.

Ellen: Susan ? Neil: ... mainly from overuse. Ellen: Say that again.

Neil: ... mainly from overuse. Ellen: Say that again. Neil: It would just add to

Ellen: Say that again. Neil: It would just add to the general chaos.

Neil: It would just add to the general chaos. Ellen: Hello ?

the general chaos. Ellen: Hello ? Tim: This is gonna be

Ellen: Hello ? Tim: This is gonna be affecting the police,

Tim: This is gonna be affecting the police, the fire, the ambulance,

affecting the police, the fire, the ambulance, the people who look after

the fire, the ambulance, the people who look after the power supplies,

the people who look after the power supplies, the people who look after

the power supplies, the people who look after the Internet service.

the people who look after the Internet service. Casey: This is not fun.

the Internet service. Casey: This is not fun. The Internet's not working.

Casey: This is not fun. The Internet's not working. Just keeps doing that.

The Internet's not working. Just keeps doing that. man: The global Internet,

Just keeps doing that. man: The global Internet, which was designed to withstand

man: The global Internet, which was designed to withstand nuclear attack, cannot withstand

which was designed to withstand nuclear attack, cannot withstand the failure of one of its most

nuclear attack, cannot withstand the failure of one of its most important components, and that

the failure of one of its most important components, and that is the human army of labor that

important components, and that is the human army of labor that keeps that network going.

is the human army of labor that keeps that network going. When the Internet fails,

keeps that network going. When the Internet fails, many things that are not even

When the Internet fails, many things that are not even obviously Internet things

many things that are not even obviously Internet things stop working.

Rick: Think about how much information is held on computers.

information is held on computers. And I'm not just talking about

on computers. And I'm not just talking about information, I'm talking

And I'm not just talking about information, I'm talking about the ability to run

information, I'm talking about the ability to run the train systems, flights,

about the ability to run the train systems, flights, and all that depends on

the train systems, flights, and all that depends on computerized control.

and all that depends on computerized control. Joseph: The mother of all

computerized control. Joseph: The mother of all dominoes would be liquid fuels,

Joseph: The mother of all dominoes would be liquid fuels, delivery of petroleum

dominoes would be liquid fuels, delivery of petroleum in particular.

delivery of petroleum in particular. Once this slows down or stops,

in particular. Once this slows down or stops, then all of the other dominoes

Once this slows down or stops, then all of the other dominoes start to fall.

then all of the other dominoes start to fall. David M.: 80% of all airports

start to fall. David M.: 80% of all airports are fueled by trucks.

David M.: 80% of all airports are fueled by trucks. The largest percentage of

are fueled by trucks. The largest percentage of railyards receive their fuel

The largest percentage of railyards receive their fuel by trucks.

railyards receive their fuel by trucks. The gas station that you fuel

by trucks. The gas station that you fuel from, they may receive

The gas station that you fuel from, they may receive replenishment two and three

from, they may receive replenishment two and three times a day.

replenishment two and three times a day. The average supermarket

times a day. The average supermarket replenishes every

The average supermarket replenishes every one to one and a half days.

replenishes every one to one and a half days. So it becomes very problematic

one to one and a half days. So it becomes very problematic if the wheels on trucks

So it becomes very problematic if the wheels on trucks don't move to expect there to

if the wheels on trucks don't move to expect there to be groceries when you go to buy.

Michael: Most people have about three days of food in their house.

about three days of food in their house. So if you really wanted to go

in their house. So if you really wanted to go to ground, you need a lot more

So if you really wanted to go to ground, you need a lot more than three days.

to ground, you need a lot more than three days. You need three months.

Kevin: When you no longer have the delivery of goods and services, you have chaos,

the delivery of goods and services, you have chaos, you have pandemonium.

We have a saying that we're nine meals away from anarchy.

Rick: Wherever you stand on gun control, there are a lot of guns out there.

gun control, there are a lot of guns out there. Michael: The most recent number

of guns out there. Michael: The most recent number of firearms in America is

Michael: The most recent number of firearms in America is something to the tune of

of firearms in America is something to the tune of one gun for every citizen

something to the tune of one gun for every citizen in the country.

one gun for every citizen in the country. Rick: I would not be

in the country. Rick: I would not be surprised to find violence.

Michael: In New Orleans, it took four days for a major American city to descend into anarchy.

four days for a major American city to descend into anarchy. You'd think that the veneer

city to descend into anarchy. You'd think that the veneer of civilization was a little

You'd think that the veneer of civilization was a little bit more thick than four days.

Joseph: For many people, the situation would be without restraint.

Michael: They're going to take over as much as they can, and the question is,

over as much as they can, and the question is, who's gonna stop them ?

Robyn: There are 102 nuclear plants in the US, but only 5,000 workers that can run them,

plants in the US, but only 5,000 workers that can run them, and that's a kind of

workers that can run them, and that's a kind of frightening thought.

Ellen: I still think we should go to Idaho. Chris: What ?

we should go to Idaho. Chris: What ? Casey: Can I be excused ?

Chris: What ? Casey: Can I be excused ? Ellen: Yes.

You heard me. Chris: Y've seen the news. The freeways are a disaster...

Chris: Y've seen the news. The freeways are a disaster... Elizabeth: If the system starts

The freeways are a disaster... Elizabeth: If the system starts getting thrown out of balance,

Elizabeth: If the system starts getting thrown out of balance, there's going to be

getting thrown out of balance, there's going to be a series of shutoffs.

there's going to be a series of shutoffs. Casey: Dad !

a series of shutoffs. Casey: Dad ! Chris: Yeah ?

Casey: Dad ! Chris: Yeah ? Casey: The TV's not working.

Chris: Yeah ? Casey: The TV's not working. Rick: I think that that would

Casey: The TV's not working. Rick: I think that that would not go down well, in terms of

Rick: I think that that would not go down well, in terms of people's nerves.

not go down well, in terms of people's nerves. Chris: Did you check

people's nerves. Chris: Did you check all the channels ?

Chris: Did you check all the channels ? Casey: Yeah.

all the channels ? Casey: Yeah. Rick: They're dependent

Casey: Yeah. Rick: They're dependent on information,

Rick: They're dependent on information, and the information comes

on information, and the information comes by electronic means.

and the information comes by electronic means. Chris: Let me see that.

Weird.

Elizabeth: There's going to be a domino effect, and the power's going to cease to flow.

( radio static ) Ellen: What's going on, Chris ? Chris: I don't know.

Ellen: What's going on, Chris ? Chris: I don't know. Come on !

Chris: I don't know. Come on ! Lee: When the lights go

Come on ! Lee: When the lights go out and don't come back on,

Lee: When the lights go out and don't come back on, here we are...

out and don't come back on, here we are... really at the limits

here we are... really at the limits of our knowledge.

Joseph: I think the most immediate problem within cities in the aftermath of a pandemic

immediate problem within cities in the aftermath of a pandemic would simply be unburied bodies.

Rick: We would have many, many, many times more dead than anything our system is designed

many, many times more dead than anything our system is designed to take care of.

Joseph: There would be thousands upon thousands of them with no organized service

thousands upon thousands of them with no organized service to remove them.

Tim: All diseases eventually decline. A number of people will survive,

eventually decline. A number of people will survive, and they will be immune to it,

A number of people will survive, and they will be immune to it, at least for that cycle.

Chris: Once we'd decided to try and sit the pandemic out, there was nothing

try and sit the pandemic out, there was nothing to do but wait.

there was nothing to do but wait. After a while, the days just

to do but wait. After a while, the days just blurred one into another.

After a while, the days just blurred one into another. Lee: You'd have to say that

blurred one into another. Lee: You'd have to say that people who come to realize that

Lee: You'd have to say that people who come to realize that they live in a world

people who come to realize that they live in a world in which the lights are never

they live in a world in which the lights are never gonna come back on again would

in which the lights are never gonna come back on again would have to be gripped by despair.

gonna come back on again would have to be gripped by despair. It's terrible to think about it.

have to be gripped by despair. It's terrible to think about it. Joseph: Gradually it would dawn

It's terrible to think about it. Joseph: Gradually it would dawn on people that the world has

Joseph: Gradually it would dawn on people that the world has changed, and it isn't

on people that the world has changed, and it isn't gonna go back to the way

changed, and it isn't gonna go back to the way it was before.

gonna go back to the way it was before. Some people, emotionally,

it was before. Some people, emotionally, could never make the transition

Some people, emotionally, could never make the transition to accepting this change.

could never make the transition to accepting this change. They would continue to hope that

to accepting this change. They would continue to hope that their previous lives would be

They would continue to hope that their previous lives would be restored, but of course

their previous lives would be restored, but of course they never would be.

restored, but of course they never would be. Tim: We rely on the freezer,

they never would be. Tim: We rely on the freezer, before we had a cold store.

Tim: We rely on the freezer, before we had a cold store. Nobody has those anymore.

before we had a cold store. Nobody has those anymore. Ellen: Chris !

Nobody has those anymore. Ellen: Chris ! Chris: Yeah.

Ellen: Chris ! Chris: Yeah. Ellen: The refrigerator's

Chris: Yeah. Ellen: The refrigerator's gone off.

Michael: One of the things that we saw in New York City in the blackout is how quickly

we saw in New York City in the blackout is how quickly it's like, well, the sewage is

the blackout is how quickly it's like, well, the sewage is gone because the electricity

it's like, well, the sewage is gone because the electricity is off.

gone because the electricity is off. Casey: Dad, the toilet

is off. Casey: Dad, the toilet stopped working.

Casey: Dad, the toilet stopped working. Michael: If there's a grid-down

stopped working. Michael: If there's a grid-down situation, the sewage pumps

Michael: If there's a grid-down situation, the sewage pumps aren't working, how are you

situation, the sewage pumps aren't working, how are you gonna deal with

aren't working, how are you gonna deal with sanitary issues ?

Joseph: Clearly there would be disease coming from a lack of sanitation, and this would be

disease coming from a lack of sanitation, and this would be on top of the pandemic

sanitation, and this would be on top of the pandemic that already exists.

on top of the pandemic that already exists. Casey: We have officially

that already exists. Casey: We have officially lost the toilet,

Casey: We have officially lost the toilet, and she has to go, umm...

lost the toilet, and she has to go, umm... yeah, bury it.

and she has to go, umm... yeah, bury it. Ugh !

yeah, bury it. Ugh ! Joseph: Fairly soon people would

Ugh ! Joseph: Fairly soon people would turn on the tap and find that

Joseph: Fairly soon people would turn on the tap and find that nothing would be coming out of

turn on the tap and find that nothing would be coming out of it, or perhaps a trickle that

nothing would be coming out of it, or perhaps a trickle that would dwindle down to nothing

it, or perhaps a trickle that would dwindle down to nothing at all.

would dwindle down to nothing at all. Ellen: The water's not running.

It's gonna be all right. Ellen: Don't touch me !

Chris: Okay, I'll head out. I'll go down to the store. I'll try to find whatever I can.

I'll go down to the store. I'll try to find whatever I can. Somebody's gotta have something.

I'll try to find whatever I can. Somebody's gotta have something. Okay ?

Okay ?

Tim: I think people are gonna say, "Look, we're hungry. "One way or another,

say, "Look, we're hungry. "One way or another, "I've got to feed the family.

"One way or another, "I've got to feed the family. "The kids are starving.

"I've got to feed the family. "The kids are starving. "There's no milk.

"The kids are starving. "There's no milk. Where am I gonna get it ?"

Lee: What happens in New York City when the garbage collectors go on strike for

New York City when the garbage collectors go on strike for a week is that the city

collectors go on strike for a week is that the city very nearly shuts down.

a week is that the city very nearly shuts down. Garbage piles in the streets,

very nearly shuts down. Garbage piles in the streets, rats are everywhere.

Garbage piles in the streets, rats are everywhere. Joseph: There would also be

rats are everywhere. Joseph: There would also be corpses of cats and dogs and

Joseph: There would also be corpses of cats and dogs and other animals that people

corpses of cats and dogs and other animals that people keep as pets.

other animals that people keep as pets. And the disease and simply

keep as pets. And the disease and simply the stench from this would

And the disease and simply the stench from this would be overpowering.

Tim: Would we see dead bodies around ? We may do.

bodies around ? We may do. People may have to bury them

We may do. People may have to bury them in the back garden.

People may have to bury them in the back garden. Robyn: Dead bodies, deceased

in the back garden. Robyn: Dead bodies, deceased remains have all the pathogens

Robyn: Dead bodies, deceased remains have all the pathogens that you would expect.

remains have all the pathogens that you would expect. I think it's safe to say that

that you would expect. I think it's safe to say that you'd want to get those remains

I think it's safe to say that you'd want to get those remains in the ground as quickly

you'd want to get those remains in the ground as quickly as possible.

Kevin: I worked security for a hurricane, and it was very interesting to go into

a hurricane, and it was very interesting to go into a Walmart two days after

interesting to go into a Walmart two days after the hurricane and see that

a Walmart two days after the hurricane and see that the store had been completely

the hurricane and see that the store had been completely cleaned out of everything.

the store had been completely cleaned out of everything. I'm talking toys, pet food,

cleaned out of everything. I'm talking toys, pet food, clothes, furniture, everything.

I'm talking toys, pet food, clothes, furniture, everything. By the third night when people

clothes, furniture, everything. By the third night when people were out of food, things got

By the third night when people were out of food, things got incredibly... crazy.

were out of food, things got incredibly... crazy. We were hearing automatic

incredibly... crazy. We were hearing automatic gunfire from all over the city.

We were hearing automatic gunfire from all over the city. ( gunfire )

People will form together in gangs to go obtain the resources they need.

gangs to go obtain the resources they need. If they don't have

they need. If they don't have the resources,

If they don't have the resources, they're gonna go find them.

the resources, they're gonna go find them. They're gonna go look

they're gonna go find them. They're gonna go look and they're gonna take them.

They're gonna go look and they're gonna take them. Michael: They're gonna be

and they're gonna take them. Michael: They're gonna be looking for food, they're going

Michael: They're gonna be looking for food, they're going to be looking for drugs.

looking for food, they're going to be looking for drugs. They're going to be looking for

to be looking for drugs. They're going to be looking for gold or silver, something that

They're going to be looking for gold or silver, something that will have some value after.

Security becomes first, foremost in everything.

Kevin: One approach is to be invisible. You could do that by making

is to be invisible. You could do that by making the house look as though

You could do that by making the house look as though it's already been looted.

the house look as though it's already been looted. Casey: What is he doing ?

it's already been looted. Casey: What is he doing ? Kevin: Throw a bunch of stuff

Casey: What is he doing ? Kevin: Throw a bunch of stuff out on the front lawn.

Kevin: Throw a bunch of stuff out on the front lawn. Ellen: What are you doing,

out on the front lawn. Ellen: What are you doing, Chris ?

Ellen: What are you doing, Chris ? Chris: We gotta make this place

Chris ? Chris: We gotta make this place look like it's been ransacked.

Chris: We gotta make this place look like it's been ransacked. Ellen: Chris !

look like it's been ransacked. Ellen: Chris ! Chris !

Ellen: Chris ! Chris ! Kevin: That gives the looters

Chris ! Kevin: That gives the looters the message that it's already

Kevin: That gives the looters the message that it's already been looted.

Ellen: That's clean laundry ! Chris ! Chris: Stop, stop, stop !

Chris ! Chris: Stop, stop, stop ! Ellen, look at me.

Chris: Stop, stop, stop ! Ellen, look at me. Ellen: No !

Ellen, look at me. Ellen: No ! Chris: Look at me.

Ellen: No ! Chris: Look at me. Stop it, stop it !

Chris: Look at me. Stop it, stop it ! Look, there are gangs two blocks

Stop it, stop it ! Look, there are gangs two blocks away from here, okay ?

Look, there are gangs two blocks away from here, okay ? And they are going from house

away from here, okay ? And they are going from house to house, and they are

And they are going from house to house, and they are looting everything.

to house, and they are looting everything. Do you hear me ?

looting everything. Do you hear me ? They're armed !

Do you hear me ? They're armed ! Let's get in the house, c'mon.

They're armed ! Let's get in the house, c'mon. Just leave it, leave it.

Kevin: It's much better to not be seen than it is to try and fight.

Ellen: Why are you being so damn stubborn ? We've almost no food left,

damn stubborn ? We've almost no food left, Chris.

We've almost no food left, Chris. We're almost out of water,

Chris. We're almost out of water, and I'm burying our mess

We're almost out of water, and I'm burying our mess in the backyard !

and I'm burying our mess in the backyard ! What don't you get ?

in the backyard ! What don't you get ? Chris: Look, I know this is not

What don't you get ? Chris: Look, I know this is not an ideal situation.

Chris: Look, I know this is not an ideal situation. Ellen: Not an ideal situation ?

an ideal situation. Ellen: Not an ideal situation ? Chris: I say we give it

Ellen: Not an ideal situation ? Chris: I say we give it another week, okay ?

Chris: I say we give it another week, okay ? I say we stay here.

another week, okay ? I say we stay here. Casey: I say we go.

I say we stay here. Casey: I say we go. Ellen: What are you doing up ?

Casey: I say we go. Ellen: What are you doing up ? Casey: There's people in the

Ellen: What are you doing up ? Casey: There's people in the house next door taking stuff.

Casey: There's people in the house next door taking stuff. ( glass breaking )

Michael: At some point in a long-term crisis, the city's uninhabitable.

a long-term crisis, the city's uninhabitable. You're going to have to leave.

the city's uninhabitable. You're going to have to leave. Chris: We'll leave first

You're going to have to leave. Chris: We'll leave first thing in the morning.

Chris: We'll leave first thing in the morning. Ellen: Yeah.

thing in the morning. Ellen: Yeah. Kevin: Katrina helped us

Ellen: Yeah. Kevin: Katrina helped us understand that the veneer of

Kevin: Katrina helped us understand that the veneer of society is very thin, and it

understand that the veneer of society is very thin, and it doesn't take much to disrupt it

society is very thin, and it doesn't take much to disrupt it and peel that veneer back.

doesn't take much to disrupt it and peel that veneer back. And what you see underneath it

and peel that veneer back. And what you see underneath it is quite ugly, quite nasty.

Casey: Where are we going ? Chris: Uh, we're going on a little road trip, Case.

Chris: Uh, we're going on a little road trip, Case. Casey: Where to ?

a little road trip, Case. Casey: Where to ? Chris: Well, your mom's

Casey: Where to ? Chris: Well, your mom's kinda partial to Idaho.

Chris: Well, your mom's kinda partial to Idaho. Kevin: After you've sheltered

kinda partial to Idaho. Kevin: After you've sheltered in place for so long, and you've

Kevin: After you've sheltered in place for so long, and you've exhausted your food supplies,

in place for so long, and you've exhausted your food supplies, you're gonna have to get

exhausted your food supplies, you're gonna have to get out of the city and get

you're gonna have to get out of the city and get to some other location.

out of the city and get to some other location. There's a lot to think about,

to some other location. There's a lot to think about, a lot to plan, if you're gonna

There's a lot to think about, a lot to plan, if you're gonna make that kind of a trip.

a lot to plan, if you're gonna make that kind of a trip. Chris: Casey ?

make that kind of a trip. Chris: Casey ? Do me a favor.

Chris: Casey ? Do me a favor. Get all the stuff that's on

Do me a favor. Get all the stuff that's on the washer and put it in

Get all the stuff that's on the washer and put it in that box right there.

the washer and put it in that box right there. woman: When people are feeling

that box right there. woman: When people are feeling that their life is in jeopardy,

woman: When people are feeling that their life is in jeopardy, there's a state that many

that their life is in jeopardy, there's a state that many people go into, which we call

there's a state that many people go into, which we call "dissociation."

people go into, which we call "dissociation." It's a trancelike state, which

"dissociation." It's a trancelike state, which is a lot like being hypnotized.

It's a trancelike state, which is a lot like being hypnotized. Chris: Do you think you

is a lot like being hypnotized. Chris: Do you think you can do me a favor ?

Chris: Do you think you can do me a favor ? Cheryl: They may sit there and

can do me a favor ? Cheryl: They may sit there and stare and not move and not do

Cheryl: They may sit there and stare and not move and not do what they need to do to survive.

stare and not move and not do what they need to do to survive. Chris: Could you pack us

what they need to do to survive. Chris: Could you pack us a suitcase full of clothes ?

Chris: Could you pack us a suitcase full of clothes ? Yeah ?

a suitcase full of clothes ? Yeah ? Thanks, babe.

Yeah ? Thanks, babe. Casey, c'mon, c'mon, I need all

Thanks, babe. Casey, c'mon, c'mon, I need all that stuff in that box.

Casey, c'mon, c'mon, I need all that stuff in that box. Kevin: The "bug-out bag" is

that stuff in that box. Kevin: The "bug-out bag" is simply something that you use

Kevin: The "bug-out bag" is simply something that you use when you have to leave.

simply something that you use when you have to leave. They also call it a "GOOD bag,"

when you have to leave. They also call it a "GOOD bag," which stands for G-O-O-D:

They also call it a "GOOD bag," which stands for G-O-O-D: Get out of Dodge.

which stands for G-O-O-D: Get out of Dodge. Casey: Why are we in

Get out of Dodge. Casey: Why are we in such a rush ?

Casey: Why are we in such a rush ? Michael: When you talk about

such a rush ? Michael: When you talk about a bug-out bag or you talk

Michael: When you talk about a bug-out bag or you talk about what you need to carry

a bug-out bag or you talk about what you need to carry with you if you've gotta leave,

about what you need to carry with you if you've gotta leave, you've gotta have water.

with you if you've gotta leave, you've gotta have water. Water's heavy.

you've gotta have water. Water's heavy. You need more water than you

Water's heavy. You need more water than you think, so the bulk of what

You need more water than you think, so the bulk of what you're gonna be carrying

think, so the bulk of what you're gonna be carrying is water.

you're gonna be carrying is water. You need some sort of portable

is water. You need some sort of portable food that can be prepared

You need some sort of portable food that can be prepared quickly and provides you with

food that can be prepared quickly and provides you with a high level of calories,

quickly and provides you with a high level of calories, much like a mountaineer

a high level of calories, much like a mountaineer or an expedition would do.

much like a mountaineer or an expedition would do. Casey: How long is

or an expedition would do. Casey: How long is it gonna take ?

Casey: How long is it gonna take ? Chris: I don't know.

it gonna take ? Chris: I don't know. Kevin: Simple foods,

Chris: I don't know. Kevin: Simple foods, crackers and peanut butter.

Kevin: Simple foods, crackers and peanut butter. Simple stuff that is high

crackers and peanut butter. Simple stuff that is high in carbohydrate and complex

Simple stuff that is high in carbohydrate and complex carbohydrate and protein.

It's gonna have some way of sheltering. It'll be something simple

of sheltering. It'll be something simple like a poncho or a tarp.

It'll be something simple like a poncho or a tarp. Michael: You also need some

like a poncho or a tarp. Michael: You also need some kind of security.

Michael: You also need some kind of security. Whether it's a kitchen knife

kind of security. Whether it's a kitchen knife or a battle rifle, you need

Whether it's a kitchen knife or a battle rifle, you need something... because you have to

or a battle rifle, you need something... because you have to face the fact that there are

something... because you have to face the fact that there are people out there who will kill

face the fact that there are people out there who will kill for what it is that you have.

people out there who will kill for what it is that you have. You always wanna hope in

for what it is that you have. You always wanna hope in the long term, things are gonna

You always wanna hope in the long term, things are gonna come back, so you need things

the long term, things are gonna come back, so you need things like your bank-account number

come back, so you need things like your bank-account number and you need your passport.

Ellen: Turn that off, turn that off !

Chris: I'm gonna check the freeway-- lock the doors.

The freeway is blocked, so we're gonna try to find the next on-ramp.

Ellen, look. I think it's the National Guard. Casey: If it's

I think it's the National Guard. Casey: If it's the National Guard,

Casey: If it's the National Guard, why aren't they in uniform ?

the National Guard, why aren't they in uniform ? Chris: Get him down,

why aren't they in uniform ? Chris: Get him down, get him down !

Chris: Get him down, get him down ! ( gunfire )

Casey: Slow down, slow down.

( Chris panting )

Chris: All right, everybody out. We're on foot from here. Kevin: To get out of LA, you're

We're on foot from here. Kevin: To get out of LA, you're gonna wanna avoid roads.

Kevin: To get out of LA, you're gonna wanna avoid roads. They're gonna be

gonna wanna avoid roads. They're gonna be choked with dead cars.

They're gonna be choked with dead cars. You're gonna have to hike

choked with dead cars. You're gonna have to hike a good 50, 60 miles.

You're gonna have to hike a good 50, 60 miles. Chris: Just grab what you can

a good 50, 60 miles. Chris: Just grab what you can and leave the rest.

Chris: Just grab what you can and leave the rest. Michael: You need to strip

and leave the rest. Michael: You need to strip that bag down to the most

Michael: You need to strip that bag down to the most important things.

that bag down to the most important things. Kevin: You have to carry

important things. Kevin: You have to carry a minimal amount of food,

Kevin: You have to carry a minimal amount of food, and be concerned with traveling

a minimal amount of food, and be concerned with traveling light, traveling fast.

and be concerned with traveling light, traveling fast. That's gonna be

light, traveling fast. That's gonna be the challenge.

That's gonna be the challenge. The main roads are a dangerous

the challenge. The main roads are a dangerous place to be because that's where

The main roads are a dangerous place to be because that's where the ambushers are expecting

place to be because that's where the ambushers are expecting you to walk.

the ambushers are expecting you to walk. You're gonna have

you to walk. You're gonna have to go other routes.

The storm-drain system in LA is extensive. Chris: All right, let's throw

in LA is extensive. Chris: All right, let's throw the bags down first, all right ?

Chris: All right, let's throw the bags down first, all right ? Kevin: They've basically taken

the bags down first, all right ? Kevin: They've basically taken all the rivers and paved

Kevin: They've basically taken all the rivers and paved them and turned them

all the rivers and paved them and turned them into big channels.

them and turned them into big channels. Chris: Casey, slide down,

into big channels. Chris: Casey, slide down, all right ?

Chris: Casey, slide down, all right ? I don't want anybody twisting

all right ? I don't want anybody twisting their ankles.

I don't want anybody twisting their ankles. We got a long walk.

Kevin: It'll take you from sector to sector more than anything else.

It'll get you through the difficult points.

Once you get to the Hollywood Hills, there are fire roads from West Hollywood all the way

Hills, there are fire roads from West Hollywood all the way across to the ocean.

Rick: People will abandon Baltimore and Washington and Pittsburgh, and they'll come out

Baltimore and Washington and Pittsburgh, and they'll come out to where they think they

Pittsburgh, and they'll come out to where they think they can do better.

Joseph: You'd be among hordes of people all trying to get out of the cities, many of them

of people all trying to get out of the cities, many of them going in the same direction,

of the cities, many of them going in the same direction, and essentially stripping

going in the same direction, and essentially stripping the countryside as they go.

and essentially stripping the countryside as they go. Michael: Refugees would

the countryside as they go. Michael: Refugees would literally swamp the land

Michael: Refugees would literally swamp the land around Los Angeles.

Chris: Careful going over that.

Kevin: The really safe way to travel is on foot, but that may not be the efficient way.

travel is on foot, but that may not be the efficient way. It may take so long that you

not be the efficient way. It may take so long that you just aren't gonna survive.

It may take so long that you just aren't gonna survive. You have to get into a vehicle

just aren't gonna survive. You have to get into a vehicle and drive.

You have to get into a vehicle and drive. Chris: Ellen, look.

and drive. Chris: Ellen, look. There's somebody in there.

Chris: Ellen, look. There's somebody in there. You guys hold up here.

It's all right, he's dead ! Kevin: You're gonna be what we call an "opportunivore."

Kevin: You're gonna be what we call an "opportunivore." Which means that you're gonna

we call an "opportunivore." Which means that you're gonna find things along the route that

Which means that you're gonna find things along the route that are gonna be useful to you,

find things along the route that are gonna be useful to you, and you're gonna take

are gonna be useful to you, and you're gonna take advantage of them.

Chris: Keep your mom company, I'll be right back.

Ellen: What are you doing ? Chris: I'm looking for keys ! Rick: People tend to fear that

Chris: I'm looking for keys ! Rick: People tend to fear that bodies will pass contagion on.

Rick: People tend to fear that bodies will pass contagion on. Ellen: Well, what if he had

bodies will pass contagion on. Ellen: Well, what if he had the virus ?

Ellen: Well, what if he had the virus ? Rick: It's not thought it

the virus ? Rick: It's not thought it would be true in a flu epidemic.

Rick: It's not thought it would be true in a flu epidemic. Chris: You can't get infected

would be true in a flu epidemic. Chris: You can't get infected from a dead body.

Chris: You can't get infected from a dead body. Besides, the pandemic's probably

from a dead body. Besides, the pandemic's probably burned out by now.

Kevin: Anybody who's survived this long is probably pretty... savvy.

this long is probably pretty... savvy. Chris: Looks like this guy

pretty... savvy. Chris: Looks like this guy thought he was a bit

Chris: Looks like this guy thought he was a bit of a cowboy.

thought he was a bit of a cowboy. Kevin: This is like going from

of a cowboy. Kevin: This is like going from junior high school

Kevin: This is like going from junior high school to high school

junior high school to high school and from high school to college.

to high school and from high school to college. Every level you rise,

and from high school to college. Every level you rise, the competition gets stiffer.

Every level you rise, the competition gets stiffer. Chris: I'm gonna try to

the competition gets stiffer. Chris: I'm gonna try to get this thing started.

Chris: I'm gonna try to get this thing started. I've never done this before !

get this thing started. I've never done this before ! Casey: I have.

I've never done this before ! Casey: I have. Kevin: By this time, the people

Casey: I have. Kevin: By this time, the people who are still around are people

Kevin: By this time, the people who are still around are people who've figured out some

who are still around are people who've figured out some stuff about survival.

who've figured out some stuff about survival. Casey: See those two wires ?

stuff about survival. Casey: See those two wires ? Just twist them.

Casey: See those two wires ? Just twist them. ( car starting )

Just twist them. ( car starting ) Chris: How'd you know

( car starting ) Chris: How'd you know how to do that ?

Chris: How'd you know how to do that ? I don't wanna know.

Three days after leaving LA, we were finally on an open road, heading north.

we were finally on an open road, heading north. About 50 miles up the road here,

heading north. About 50 miles up the road here, there's a little town.

About 50 miles up the road here, there's a little town. We'll be able to get some fuel

there's a little town. We'll be able to get some fuel and get some water.

For a brief moment, we forgot about what still lay ahead of us.

we forgot about what still lay ahead of us. Hey, look, there's that town.

still lay ahead of us. Hey, look, there's that town. Be about five minutes from here.

Hey, look, there's that town. Be about five minutes from here. Our optimism didn't last.

Be about five minutes from here. Our optimism didn't last. Jesus, what is this ?

Our optimism didn't last. Jesus, what is this ? Let me talk to these guys.

Jesus, what is this ? Let me talk to these guys. Joseph: People in smaller

Let me talk to these guys. Joseph: People in smaller communities might actually

Joseph: People in smaller communities might actually arm themselves to try to keep

communities might actually arm themselves to try to keep strangers out.

Rick: I could foresee that some small communities would not want outsiders coming in

small communities would not want outsiders coming in for the germs they bring along,

want outsiders coming in for the germs they bring along, for the extra demand on

for the germs they bring along, for the extra demand on resources that they bring along.

for the extra demand on resources that they bring along. man: Howdy,

resources that they bring along. man: Howdy, what can I do for you ?

man: Howdy, what can I do for you ? Chris: We were wondering

what can I do for you ? Chris: We were wondering if we could--

Chris: We were wondering if we could-- man: Right there, that's good,

if we could-- man: Right there, that's good, right there where you're at.

man: Right there, that's good, right there where you're at. Chris: We were looking to get

right there where you're at. Chris: We were looking to get some food and some water

Chris: We were looking to get some food and some water and maybe some fuel ?

some food and some water and maybe some fuel ? man: Sorry, pal, can't do it.

and maybe some fuel ? man: Sorry, pal, can't do it. Can't let you in.

man: Sorry, pal, can't do it. Can't let you in. Nobody in, nobody out.

Can't let you in. Nobody in, nobody out. Chris: I got my wife

Nobody in, nobody out. Chris: I got my wife and my kid in there...

Chris: I got my wife and my kid in there... Kevin: It's the scenario of

and my kid in there... Kevin: It's the scenario of a lifeboat after a boat's gone

Kevin: It's the scenario of a lifeboat after a boat's gone down, and the lifeboat's filled

a lifeboat after a boat's gone down, and the lifeboat's filled to capacity, and there's other

down, and the lifeboat's filled to capacity, and there's other people in the water.

to capacity, and there's other people in the water. What do you do ?

people in the water. What do you do ? Do you pick them up and kill

What do you do ? Do you pick them up and kill everybody in the lifeboat, too ?

Do you pick them up and kill everybody in the lifeboat, too ? Or do you row away ?

everybody in the lifeboat, too ? Or do you row away ? It's a hard decision.

Or do you row away ? It's a hard decision. Chris: You won't even know

It's a hard decision. Chris: You won't even know that we're here.

Chris: You won't even know that we're here. man: The man said no !

that we're here. man: The man said no ! man: You know what, if I was

man: The man said no ! man: You know what, if I was you, I would get in your

man: You know what, if I was you, I would get in your vehicle, turn it around and

you, I would get in your vehicle, turn it around and go back the way you came.

Ellen: What do you think we should do ? Chris: I think we're gonna

we should do ? Chris: I think we're gonna stay here for the night.

Chris: I think we're gonna stay here for the night. We got enough warm clothes

stay here for the night. We got enough warm clothes in the back.

We got enough warm clothes in the back. Cheryl: When parents have to

in the back. Cheryl: When parents have to worry about taking care of their

Cheryl: When parents have to worry about taking care of their children, on top of taking care

worry about taking care of their children, on top of taking care of themselves, that's hard.

children, on top of taking care of themselves, that's hard. That's really difficult.

of themselves, that's hard. That's really difficult. That adds to their stress.

That's really difficult. That adds to their stress. And so to some extent,

That adds to their stress. And so to some extent, people are very vulnerable

And so to some extent, people are very vulnerable who have children.

people are very vulnerable who have children. Ellen: He's already asleep.

who have children. Ellen: He's already asleep. Lee: I don't think we

Ellen: He's already asleep. Lee: I don't think we know what to predict

Lee: I don't think we know what to predict about how people would respond

know what to predict about how people would respond to the realization that

about how people would respond to the realization that no matter where I go...

to the realization that no matter where I go... it's dangerous...

no matter where I go... it's dangerous... and my children might die.

Chris: By the time we were a few hundred miles out of LA, for all we could tell,

a few hundred miles out of LA, for all we could tell, we might've been the only

for all we could tell, we might've been the only people left on the planet.

we might've been the only people left on the planet. We still had no idea how we'd

people left on the planet. We still had no idea how we'd ever make it as far as Idaho.

We still had no idea how we'd ever make it as far as Idaho. Fact is, we were already running

ever make it as far as Idaho. Fact is, we were already running low on food and water.

Fact is, we were already running low on food and water. David B.: The average

low on food and water. David B.: The average temperature in the greater

David B.: The average temperature in the greater Los Angeles area on a daily

temperature in the greater Los Angeles area on a daily basis is probably

Los Angeles area on a daily basis is probably between 75 to 80.

basis is probably between 75 to 80. But when you start moving people

between 75 to 80. But when you start moving people in out of the base of

But when you start moving people in out of the base of the coastal area of Los Angeles

in out of the base of the coastal area of Los Angeles and start getting into the

the coastal area of Los Angeles and start getting into the inland desert and temperatures

and start getting into the inland desert and temperatures are in the extremes of between

inland desert and temperatures are in the extremes of between 90 and 115°...

are in the extremes of between 90 and 115°... Chris: Hey, hey, hey.

90 and 115°... Chris: Hey, hey, hey. What are you doing ?

Chris: Hey, hey, hey. What are you doing ? That's drinking water.

What are you doing ? That's drinking water. You don't brush your teeth

That's drinking water. You don't brush your teeth with this.

You don't brush your teeth with this. Casey: Sorry !

with this. Casey: Sorry ! Ellen: We have to wash.

Casey: Sorry ! Ellen: We have to wash. Chris: Start using your head.

Ellen: We have to wash. Chris: Start using your head. Casey: She told me to--

Chris: Start using your head. Casey: She told me to-- Chris: I don't care what your

Casey: She told me to-- Chris: I don't care what your mother said !

Chris: I don't care what your mother said ! Ellen: You don't need to yell.

mother said ! Ellen: You don't need to yell. Chris: Ellen, we only have

Ellen: You don't need to yell. Chris: Ellen, we only have a few bottles of water left.

Chris: Ellen, we only have a few bottles of water left. David B.: If you don't get water

a few bottles of water left. David B.: If you don't get water pumping through your system,

David B.: If you don't get water pumping through your system, you're gonna get

pumping through your system, you're gonna get dehydrated quickly.

you're gonna get dehydrated quickly. When you become dehydrated,

dehydrated quickly. When you become dehydrated, you get clouded thinking,

When you become dehydrated, you get clouded thinking, confusion.

you get clouded thinking, confusion. Chris: We gotta take

confusion. Chris: We gotta take the quickest route north.

Chris: We gotta take the quickest route north. Ellen: Through the desert ?

the quickest route north. Ellen: Through the desert ? Chris: Yeah, through the desert.

Kevin: Most of the time, to maintain safety and security, you're gonna wanna avoid roads.

maintain safety and security, you're gonna wanna avoid roads. Even if they're clear.

you're gonna wanna avoid roads. Even if they're clear. It's a dangerous place to be.

Even if they're clear. It's a dangerous place to be. Ellen: Chris,

It's a dangerous place to be. Ellen: Chris, what are you doing ?

Ellen: Chris, what are you doing ? Chris: We gotta see

what are you doing ? Chris: We gotta see if he's okay.

Lee: People are capable of barbarism, selfishness, but they're also capable of

barbarism, selfishness, but they're also capable of great generosity.

but they're also capable of great generosity. Chris: Hey there, sir.

great generosity. Chris: Hey there, sir. man: Hey.

Chris: Hey there, sir. man: Hey. Chris: You know what

man: Hey. Chris: You know what happened to you ?

Chris: You know what happened to you ? man: I think my contact

happened to you ? man: I think my contact slipped off my eyes.

man: I think my contact slipped off my eyes. I need them to drive.

slipped off my eyes. I need them to drive. Chris: You just stay here,

I need them to drive. Chris: You just stay here, I'll be right back, all right ?

Chris: You just stay here, I'll be right back, all right ? Lee: We see this time and time

I'll be right back, all right ? Lee: We see this time and time and time again, disaster after

Lee: We see this time and time and time again, disaster after disaster, that people bind

and time again, disaster after disaster, that people bind together in the face of a common

disaster, that people bind together in the face of a common enemy and help each other.

together in the face of a common enemy and help each other. Chris: Here, have some water.

enemy and help each other. Chris: Here, have some water. I'm just gonna give you

Chris: Here, have some water. I'm just gonna give you a little shot, okay ?

I'm just gonna give you a little shot, okay ? All right ?

a little shot, okay ? All right ? Lee: In New Orleans, we saw

All right ? Lee: In New Orleans, we saw instances of amazing altruism,

Lee: In New Orleans, we saw instances of amazing altruism, at least initially.

instances of amazing altruism, at least initially. Chris: Just sit back.

at least initially. Chris: Just sit back. Lee: But there was a limit

Chris: Just sit back. Lee: But there was a limit to that generous feeling.

Lee: But there was a limit to that generous feeling. Chris: Good luck.

to that generous feeling. Chris: Good luck. Lee: It's that dual

Chris: Good luck. Lee: It's that dual human-nature thing.

Lee: It's that dual human-nature thing. We wanna take care of each

human-nature thing. We wanna take care of each other, but our generosity

We wanna take care of each other, but our generosity is not infinite.

Michael: Obviously the 7-Eleven at the corner is not going to be available to you.

at the corner is not going to be available to you. Chris: Did you see that ?

available to you. Chris: Did you see that ? Industrial complex ?

Chris: Did you see that ? Industrial complex ? Michael: The obvious places will

Industrial complex ? Michael: The obvious places will have been destroyed or

Michael: The obvious places will have been destroyed or emptied out very early on

have been destroyed or emptied out very early on in the pandemic.

emptied out very early on in the pandemic. So you're going to be looking

in the pandemic. So you're going to be looking for the nooks and crannies that

So you're going to be looking for the nooks and crannies that other people have overlooked.

for the nooks and crannies that other people have overlooked. Chris: That's where they keep

other people have overlooked. Chris: That's where they keep all the supplies, all the food,

Chris: That's where they keep all the supplies, all the food, all the water.

all the supplies, all the food, all the water. We need to head over there.

David B.: The paramedic's gonna be able to look at the bigger picture.

be able to look at the bigger picture. They're not going into

the bigger picture. They're not going into situations blindly, but rather

They're not going into situations blindly, but rather with a great deal of suspicion.

situations blindly, but rather with a great deal of suspicion. Chris: Ellen, look.

with a great deal of suspicion. Chris: Ellen, look. David B.: Is that person

Chris: Ellen, look. David B.: Is that person a threat ?

David B.: Is that person a threat ? Does this street that I'm

a threat ? Does this street that I'm approaching present possibly

Does this street that I'm approaching present possibly a threat to my family ?

approaching present possibly a threat to my family ? Is there an escape route ?

a threat to my family ? Is there an escape route ? Chris: I'm gonna pull around

Is there an escape route ? Chris: I'm gonna pull around to the back.

You stay here with Casey. Ellen: Okay. Chris: I'll be right back.

Joseph: The things of most immediate value after a pandemic would be fuel and food.

immediate value after a pandemic would be fuel and food. Those are the two

would be fuel and food. Those are the two critical things.

Those are the two critical things. Those who did control large

critical things. Those who did control large amounts of food would

Those who did control large amounts of food would become very powerful.

amounts of food would become very powerful. Chris: Hey, fellas.

become very powerful. Chris: Hey, fellas. Michael: It's silly to think

Chris: Hey, fellas. Michael: It's silly to think that an organized criminal gang

Michael: It's silly to think that an organized criminal gang is not going to make immediate

that an organized criminal gang is not going to make immediate moves toward the resource that

is not going to make immediate moves toward the resource that would make them essentially

moves toward the resource that would make them essentially rich, make them kings

would make them essentially rich, make them kings in a new country.

rich, make them kings in a new country. Chris: Could you guys spare any

in a new country. Chris: Could you guys spare any of that water or food ?

man: Not really, not for you. Kevin: Food can be power, seriously.

Kevin: Food can be power, seriously. If someone can get control

seriously. If someone can get control of that, they have

If someone can get control of that, they have an invaluable resource.

of that, they have an invaluable resource. Chris: I've got some cash.

an invaluable resource. Chris: I've got some cash. man: Cash ain't good

Chris: I've got some cash. man: Cash ain't good around here.

man: Cash ain't good around here. Joseph: Initially, paper money

around here. Joseph: Initially, paper money would lose value.

Joseph: Initially, paper money would lose value. man: How about that ring ?

would lose value. man: How about that ring ? Joseph: Value would reside

man: How about that ring ? Joseph: Value would reside once again in precious metals.

Joseph: Value would reside once again in precious metals. Robin: Electricity goes away and

once again in precious metals. Robin: Electricity goes away and bank account money isn't there,

Robin: Electricity goes away and bank account money isn't there, and you can't even check

bank account money isn't there, and you can't even check your bank accounts, then you'll

and you can't even check your bank accounts, then you'll presumably find other

your bank accounts, then you'll presumably find other forms of barter.

presumably find other forms of barter. Chris: How about the watch ?

forms of barter. Chris: How about the watch ? man: I'll just take the watch.

See you later.

Robin: Peaceful thing to do is to make your peace with the new king of the food-distribution

to make your peace with the new king of the food-distribution center, and the heroic thing to

king of the food-distribution center, and the heroic thing to do may be to start a revolution

center, and the heroic thing to do may be to start a revolution to defy him and grab

do may be to start a revolution to defy him and grab the food away.

( honking ) Ellen: Stop it !

Casey: Shouldn't he have taken this ? Michael: In a post-collapse

taken this ? Michael: In a post-collapse situation, you have not only

Michael: In a post-collapse situation, you have not only your own life that hangs in

situation, you have not only your own life that hangs in the balance, you have your

your own life that hangs in the balance, you have your family's life that hangs

the balance, you have your family's life that hangs in the balance as well.

( gun cocking ) man: I thought I told you to get out of here !

man: I thought I told you to get out of here ! ( gunshot )

Ellen: I thought he was gonna shoot you. Chris: We gotta get the hell

shoot you. Chris: We gotta get the hell out of here.

Chris: We gotta get the hell out of here. Come on, come on, come on !

Come on.

Casey, get in the back, get in the back. Get down, get down.

get in the back. Get down, get down. ( gunshots )

Get down, get down. ( gunshots ) ( tires squealing )

Slow down, slow down. It's okay. It's all right, baby.

It's okay. It's all right, baby. Michael: The hardest thing in

It's all right, baby. Michael: The hardest thing in the world for anybody would

Michael: The hardest thing in the world for anybody would be to take another life.

the world for anybody would be to take another life. Chris: Slow down, slow down.

be to take another life. Chris: Slow down, slow down. Michael: Their first response

Chris: Slow down, slow down. Michael: Their first response is gonna be nausea.

Michael: Their first response is gonna be nausea. They're gonna be sick.

is gonna be nausea. They're gonna be sick. I know that for a fact from

They're gonna be sick. I know that for a fact from law-enforcement officers who've

I know that for a fact from law-enforcement officers who've been forced to kill in the line

law-enforcement officers who've been forced to kill in the line of duty.

been forced to kill in the line of duty. They told me that it was

of duty. They told me that it was a life-altering event.

They told me that it was a life-altering event. Every one of them carried those

a life-altering event. Every one of them carried those people with them through

Every one of them carried those people with them through the rest of their lives.

people with them through the rest of their lives. Casey: Dad,

the rest of their lives. Casey: Dad, there's a car coming.

Casey: Dad, there's a car coming. Chris: Get over in the ditch.

there's a car coming. Chris: Get over in the ditch. Come on, baby, we gotta go.

Chris: Get over in the ditch. Come on, baby, we gotta go. Michael: More than anything

Come on, baby, we gotta go. Michael: More than anything else, if you're on the road,

Michael: More than anything else, if you're on the road, you have to have

else, if you're on the road, you have to have a heightened awareness.

you have to have a heightened awareness. Chris: Get down.

a heightened awareness. Chris: Get down. My bag.

Kevin: One of the keys again is being invisible, staying very low-key, staying out of sight.

being invisible, staying very low-key, staying out of sight. Chris: Stay down.

low-key, staying out of sight. Chris: Stay down. Kevin: People will form together

Chris: Stay down. Kevin: People will form together in gangs to go obtain

Kevin: People will form together in gangs to go obtain the resources they need.

in gangs to go obtain the resources they need. If they don't have

the resources they need. If they don't have the resources,

If they don't have the resources, they're gonna go find them.

the resources, they're gonna go find them. They're gonna go look

they're gonna go find them. They're gonna go look and they're gonna take them.

They're gonna go look and they're gonna take them. man: Check this out.

and they're gonna take them. man: Check this out. Chris: Get that down.

Kevin: Every car has 15 to 20 gallons of gas in it. You have a couple of 5-gallon

gallons of gas in it. You have a couple of 5-gallon cans on the roof of your SUV.

You have a couple of 5-gallon cans on the roof of your SUV. And every time you pass

cans on the roof of your SUV. And every time you pass a vehicle that looks like it

And every time you pass a vehicle that looks like it might have some gas in it,

a vehicle that looks like it might have some gas in it, you stop and drain the tank.

might have some gas in it, you stop and drain the tank. You don't even need a siphon

you stop and drain the tank. You don't even need a siphon hose because you just get

You don't even need a siphon hose because you just get a screwdriver and a hammer

hose because you just get a screwdriver and a hammer and punch a hole in the bottom

a screwdriver and a hammer and punch a hole in the bottom of the gas tank and stick

and punch a hole in the bottom of the gas tank and stick my bucket under it and gather

of the gas tank and stick my bucket under it and gather that fuel and move on to

my bucket under it and gather that fuel and move on to the next one.

that fuel and move on to the next one. I don't care about

the next one. I don't care about destroying the tank.

Chris: All right, they're gone.

Oh, son of a... They took all the bags. Casey: Even my backpack ?

They took all the bags. Casey: Even my backpack ? Chris: They took everything.

They punched a hole in the gas tank. Kevin: If it's hot and if it's

in the gas tank. Kevin: If it's hot and if it's summer and you have to go

Kevin: If it's hot and if it's summer and you have to go through the desert, you'd better

summer and you have to go through the desert, you'd better hope you can get across it

through the desert, you'd better hope you can get across it in a couple of days.

hope you can get across it in a couple of days. Because there's not

in a couple of days. Because there's not a lot of water out there.

Joseph: The current breadbaskets of the United States--

breadbaskets of the United States-- the Great Plains, the Midwest,

the United States-- the Great Plains, the Midwest, and the central valleys of

the Great Plains, the Midwest, and the central valleys of California-- would no longer be

and the central valleys of California-- would no longer be as productive as they are now,

California-- would no longer be as productive as they are now, since they depend to a large

as productive as they are now, since they depend to a large extent on fossil fuels

since they depend to a large extent on fossil fuels and mechanized agriculture.

Lee: The big farms won't work, because you need the mechanization,

because you need the mechanization, you need the energy,

the mechanization, you need the energy, you need the petroleum

you need the energy, you need the petroleum to make the fertilizers.

you need the petroleum to make the fertilizers. All that stuff isn't there

to make the fertilizers. All that stuff isn't there anymore.

Chris: I can't say for certain how long we walked. We followed the road north,

certain how long we walked. We followed the road north, but truth is we were lost.

We followed the road north, but truth is we were lost. Pretty soon the only thing that

but truth is we were lost. Pretty soon the only thing that mattered was finding

Pretty soon the only thing that mattered was finding a way to stay alive.

mattered was finding a way to stay alive. Michael: Most of what is

a way to stay alive. Michael: Most of what is around LA is a desert.

Michael: Most of what is around LA is a desert. Key thing you're gonna be

around LA is a desert. Key thing you're gonna be looking for on the road is

Key thing you're gonna be looking for on the road is water you can drink.

looking for on the road is water you can drink. Kevin: Three months into

water you can drink. Kevin: Three months into a scenario like this, all the

Kevin: Three months into a scenario like this, all the low-lying fruit's been picked.

a scenario like this, all the low-lying fruit's been picked. You're gonna have to be very

low-lying fruit's been picked. You're gonna have to be very creative to come up with food.

You're gonna have to be very creative to come up with food. You're gonna have to know

creative to come up with food. You're gonna have to know where to look and what kind of

You're gonna have to know where to look and what kind of resources are there.

where to look and what kind of resources are there. Chris: Look.

resources are there. Chris: Look. There's a barn over there.

Chris: Look. There's a barn over there. C'mon, let's go.

Michael: You're gonna have to forage, which is a nice word for looting.

forage, which is a nice word for looting. Chris: Hello !

for looting. Chris: Hello ! Joseph: Survivors would be in

Chris: Hello ! Joseph: Survivors would be in a very desperate situation,

Joseph: Survivors would be in a very desperate situation, and probably most of them

a very desperate situation, and probably most of them would starve to death

and probably most of them would starve to death within a few weeks.

would starve to death within a few weeks. Chris: Wait here.

Michael: You're gonna have to do things I would imagine that would be very unpleasant.

do things I would imagine that would be very unpleasant. You're gonna have to go into

would be very unpleasant. You're gonna have to go into houses where people have died,

You're gonna have to go into houses where people have died, and you're going to have

houses where people have died, and you're going to have to see what's left,

and you're going to have to see what's left, what's available to you.

to see what's left, what's available to you. Chris: C'mon up !

what's available to you. Chris: C'mon up ! Why don't you guys go sit

Chris: C'mon up ! Why don't you guys go sit in that shade right there ?

( Chris panting )

Michael: The longer the scenario stretches out, the more food becomes unavailable to you.

stretches out, the more food becomes unavailable to you. It spoils, it goes bad.

becomes unavailable to you. It spoils, it goes bad. Chris: There was nothing in

It spoils, it goes bad. Chris: There was nothing in there but these crackers.

Casey: Dad, I'm thirsty. woman: You don't wanna eat unless you have water.

woman: You don't wanna eat unless you have water. It takes water to digest your

unless you have water. It takes water to digest your food, so if you don't have water

It takes water to digest your food, so if you don't have water available, then you should

food, so if you don't have water available, then you should not be eating.

available, then you should not be eating. You can go about 30 days

not be eating. You can go about 30 days without food, only about three

You can go about 30 days without food, only about three without water.

without food, only about three without water. Chris: I'm gonna see what's

without water. Chris: I'm gonna see what's in that barn, maybe there's

Chris: I'm gonna see what's in that barn, maybe there's some water or something.

in that barn, maybe there's some water or something. Jessie: You need about 6 to 8

some water or something. Jessie: You need about 6 to 8 quarts of water a day

Jessie: You need about 6 to 8 quarts of water a day for a person to live.

quarts of water a day for a person to live. But the willpower's

for a person to live. But the willpower's more necessary.

But the willpower's more necessary. If someone doesn't have the will

more necessary. If someone doesn't have the will to survive, the will to make it,

If someone doesn't have the will to survive, the will to make it, they're not going to.

to survive, the will to make it, they're not going to. Kevin: You'll be gathering

they're not going to. Kevin: You'll be gathering water, as well as

Kevin: You'll be gathering water, as well as scavenging for water.

water, as well as scavenging for water. You're gonna take advantage

scavenging for water. You're gonna take advantage of every opportunity.

The hot-water tanks from a hotel, the swimming pools, anyplace that stores water.

Chris: I found water ! You guys go get in the barn. There's more shade in there.

Michael: You're gonna have to look at water that normally you would look at and make

look at water that normally you would look at and make an awful face and run from.

you would look at and make an awful face and run from. But you've gotta be

an awful face and run from. But you've gotta be able to disinfect it.

But you've gotta be able to disinfect it. Chris: Look.

We can't drink this, though. Kevin: You have three choices: you can treat it with chemicals,

Kevin: You have three choices: you can treat it with chemicals, such as iodine or bleach,

you can treat it with chemicals, such as iodine or bleach, which will render it

such as iodine or bleach, which will render it biologically safe.

which will render it biologically safe. You can filter it with

biologically safe. You can filter it with a water-filtration system,

You can filter it with a water-filtration system, which generally renders it

a water-filtration system, which generally renders it biologically safe,

which generally renders it biologically safe, and you can boil it, which will

biologically safe, and you can boil it, which will render it biologically safe.

and you can boil it, which will render it biologically safe. So you're gonna

render it biologically safe. So you're gonna need to make fire.

So you're gonna need to make fire. Jessie: If they have any

need to make fire. Jessie: If they have any batteries and some steel wool,

Jessie: If they have any batteries and some steel wool, you just connect the front and

batteries and some steel wool, you just connect the front and back and it sends an electric

you just connect the front and back and it sends an electric current through it, and it heats

back and it sends an electric current through it, and it heats it up so it's red-hot.

current through it, and it heats it up so it's red-hot. Put tinder on it

it up so it's red-hot. Put tinder on it and light it up.

Chris: Casey, hold this.

man: Assuming that a person can stay hydrated, the process of starvation may take as long

can stay hydrated, the process of starvation may take as long as 50 to 60 days

of starvation may take as long as 50 to 60 days before one expires.

as 50 to 60 days before one expires. After about three days, you will

before one expires. After about three days, you will not in fact have hunger.

After about three days, you will not in fact have hunger. Basically, the body is now

not in fact have hunger. Basically, the body is now beginning to break down fat

Basically, the body is now beginning to break down fat and muscle tissue at about

beginning to break down fat and muscle tissue at about the same ratio.

and muscle tissue at about the same ratio. You become more lethargic.

the same ratio. You become more lethargic. You become more disorientated.

You become more lethargic. You become more disorientated. You have highs of euphoria,

You become more disorientated. You have highs of euphoria, and then you simply

You have highs of euphoria, and then you simply do not wanna eat.

Kevin: One of the first things to suffer is your eyesight. That's an indication that

to suffer is your eyesight. That's an indication that you're actually in a really

That's an indication that you're actually in a really bad starvation mode.

you're actually in a really bad starvation mode. Louis: People are not aware

bad starvation mode. Louis: People are not aware of the small world around them,

Louis: People are not aware of the small world around them, which could in fact be

of the small world around them, which could in fact be utilized as food.

which could in fact be utilized as food. Jessie: There's plenty of

utilized as food. Jessie: There's plenty of insects, ants, beetles,

Jessie: There's plenty of insects, ants, beetles, which have seven times

insects, ants, beetles, which have seven times the protein content,

which have seven times the protein content, pound for pound, as ground beef.

the protein content, pound for pound, as ground beef. We just don't realize

pound for pound, as ground beef. We just don't realize they're there.

man: One of the cross-culturally constant things we see in the historical literature

constant things we see in the historical literature is that early on in a famine,

in the historical literature is that early on in a famine, there's a great deal of

is that early on in a famine, there's a great deal of outpouring of energy into

there's a great deal of outpouring of energy into religious and ritual activity.

The term "unusual wanderings" has been repeated a number of times in accounts of what goes

has been repeated a number of times in accounts of what goes on in famished populations.

times in accounts of what goes on in famished populations. What you get is basically vast

on in famished populations. What you get is basically vast human movement over

What you get is basically vast human movement over the landscape in search of

human movement over the landscape in search of some kind of relief.

Chris: If we spread that out, we might be able to lay on that. Casey: We're gonna lay on wood ?

we might be able to lay on that. Casey: We're gonna lay on wood ? Chris: Like a bed.

Casey: We're gonna lay on wood ? Chris: Like a bed. Like a cot.

Chris: Like a bed. Like a cot. Casey: Why don't we just

Like a cot. Casey: Why don't we just sleep on the ground ?

Casey: Why don't we just sleep on the ground ? Jessie: If you're sleeping out

sleep on the ground ? Jessie: If you're sleeping out there, you don't wanna lay

Jessie: If you're sleeping out there, you don't wanna lay right on the ground.

there, you don't wanna lay right on the ground. The ground is about 55°,

right on the ground. The ground is about 55°, I wanna be 98.6.

The ground is about 55°, I wanna be 98.6. Chris: Casey, watch out for

I wanna be 98.6. Chris: Casey, watch out for this, there could be snakes.

Chris: Casey, watch out for this, there could be snakes. Casey: But how are we gonna

this, there could be snakes. Casey: But how are we gonna sleep on that ?

Casey: But how are we gonna sleep on that ? Chris: We're gonna break

sleep on that ? Chris: We're gonna break the pieces up, we're gonna

Chris: We're gonna break the pieces up, we're gonna lay on them, they're gonna be

the pieces up, we're gonna lay on them, they're gonna be like insulation.

lay on them, they're gonna be like insulation. Jessie: Insulate yourself from

like insulation. Jessie: Insulate yourself from the ground and create a warm

Jessie: Insulate yourself from the ground and create a warm pocket of air around you to keep

the ground and create a warm pocket of air around you to keep you warm at night.

pocket of air around you to keep you warm at night. It's not clothing that keeps you

you warm at night. It's not clothing that keeps you warm or cold,

It's not clothing that keeps you warm or cold, it's the dead air space.

Casey: Aw, shoot. The battery is almost dead.

( birds squawking )

Louis: The process of starvation goes slow at first, ever increasing in speed until

starvation goes slow at first, ever increasing in speed until if it's out of control at

ever increasing in speed until if it's out of control at the end, even by re-feeding,

if it's out of control at the end, even by re-feeding, you will not in fact survive.

the end, even by re-feeding, you will not in fact survive. Chris: There's a house

you will not in fact survive. Chris: There's a house over there !

Chris: There's a house over there ! Come on, you can make this.

over there ! Come on, you can make this. Come on.

Louis: The cognitive functions of a person being able to think clearly become impaired.

of a person being able to think clearly become impaired. One may make poor judgments,

clearly become impaired. One may make poor judgments, and it may adversely affect

One may make poor judgments, and it may adversely affect one's survival.

and it may adversely affect one's survival. Chris: I'm gonna have

one's survival. Chris: I'm gonna have a look around.

Chris: I'm gonna have a look around. Ellen: Okay.

Louis: Under extreme duress, sometimes people will look towards pets as a potential

sometimes people will look towards pets as a potential source of food.

towards pets as a potential source of food. Robert: One didn't see dogs

source of food. Robert: One didn't see dogs and cats in many parts of

Robert: One didn't see dogs and cats in many parts of Europe after World War II.

and cats in many parts of Europe after World War II. They probably served

Europe after World War II. They probably served the family well for a meal.

They probably served the family well for a meal. Louis: For the most part,

the family well for a meal. Louis: For the most part, people will not eat their

Louis: For the most part, people will not eat their own pets, but would have no

people will not eat their own pets, but would have no compulsion about eating the pets

own pets, but would have no compulsion about eating the pets of other people.

( gun cocking ) ( gunshot )

Robert: We know from accounts from Africa, you have masses of children, often quite desperate,

from Africa, you have masses of children, often quite desperate, and according to many

children, often quite desperate, and according to many authorities, ruthless.

Chris: Casey ! Robert: Children are the most dangerous people in

Robert: Children are the most dangerous people in a "faminescape."

dangerous people in a "faminescape." They are most liable to be

a "faminescape." They are most liable to be violent, most aggressive in

They are most liable to be violent, most aggressive in their activity to get food.

Louis: Their requirements if they're walking a lot may be as high as 2,800 to 3,500 calories

they're walking a lot may be as high as 2,800 to 3,500 calories a day, and being able to

high as 2,800 to 3,500 calories a day, and being able to maintain that is gonna

a day, and being able to maintain that is gonna be difficult.

maintain that is gonna be difficult. We've known since the middle

be difficult. We've known since the middle 1970s that about 75% of all

We've known since the middle 1970s that about 75% of all plants are toxic in one way

1970s that about 75% of all plants are toxic in one way or another to humans.

Jessie: They're very likely to encounter quite a few snakes. So if they know how to catch

encounter quite a few snakes. So if they know how to catch a snake, which isn't that

So if they know how to catch a snake, which isn't that difficult, use a stick.

a snake, which isn't that difficult, use a stick. Pin the head down.

difficult, use a stick. Pin the head down. Cut off the head.

It's real easy to pull the skin off, real easy to take the guts out.

the skin off, real easy to take the guts out. If they're smaller ones, you can

the guts out. If they're smaller ones, you can eat the bones right along with

If they're smaller ones, you can eat the bones right along with everything else.

eat the bones right along with everything else. Just chew it real good.

Louis: We commonly hear the phrase that human beings will eat everything.

the phrase that human beings will eat everything. That simply isn't the case.

will eat everything. That simply isn't the case. Many people will in fact choose

That simply isn't the case. Many people will in fact choose not to eat and they will in fact

Many people will in fact choose not to eat and they will in fact starve, if presented with

not to eat and they will in fact starve, if presented with a truck full of termites,

starve, if presented with a truck full of termites, a truck full of frogs,

a truck full of termites, a truck full of frogs, something like that.

a truck full of frogs, something like that. They just in fact

something like that. They just in fact will not eat it.

They just in fact will not eat it. Chris: Casey,

will not eat it. Chris: Casey, why aren't you eating ?

Chris: Casey, why aren't you eating ? Casey: I'm not gonna

why aren't you eating ? Casey: I'm not gonna eat a snake.

Casey: I'm not gonna eat a snake. Chris: That's the only food

eat a snake. Chris: That's the only food that we have.

Chris: That's the only food that we have. If you don't eat that,

that we have. If you don't eat that, you're going to die.

If you don't eat that, you're going to die. Casey: I'd rather die.

Chris: What did you just say ? What did you just say ? You will eat this !

What did you just say ? You will eat this ! You see that ?

You will eat this ! You see that ? You are gonna eat that !

You see that ? You are gonna eat that ! Ellen: Chris, get off !

You are gonna eat that ! Ellen: Chris, get off ! Chris: You are gonna eat this,

Ellen: Chris, get off ! Chris: You are gonna eat this, you understand me ?

Chris: You are gonna eat this, you understand me ? Open your mouth !

you understand me ? Open your mouth ! Casey: No !

Open your mouth ! Casey: No ! Chris: Open your mouth !

Casey: No ! Chris: Open your mouth ! Casey: Get him off !

Chris: Open your mouth ! Casey: Get him off ! Ellen: Chris, get off of him,

Casey: Get him off ! Ellen: Chris, get off of him, stop it !

( Chris crying )

Louis: This period of not eating into the third or even the fourth week, other

eating into the third or even the fourth week, other bad things happen to the body.

or even the fourth week, other bad things happen to the body. The liver functions begin to

bad things happen to the body. The liver functions begin to fail, the intestinal functions

The liver functions begin to fail, the intestinal functions begin to fail, even the cardiac

fail, the intestinal functions begin to fail, even the cardiac heart rate begins to fail.

begin to fail, even the cardiac heart rate begins to fail. Ellen: What are you doing ?

Stay away from the road.

man: You guys need a lift ?

Chris: Eventually we made it into a small town. We were just happy to be able

into a small town. We were just happy to be able to rest up for a while.

We were just happy to be able to rest up for a while. But it soon became clear,

to rest up for a while. But it soon became clear, we were living in a dangerous

But it soon became clear, we were living in a dangerous and unpredictable new world.

Ellen: I managed to get the bed linens washed and dried, so at least we'll be warm tonight.

linens washed and dried, so at least we'll be warm tonight. Rick: People coming into an area

least we'll be warm tonight. Rick: People coming into an area would wanna take advantage

Rick: People coming into an area would wanna take advantage of those homes or apartments or

would wanna take advantage of those homes or apartments or whatever that are left behind.

of those homes or apartments or whatever that are left behind. And why not ?

whatever that are left behind. And why not ? Chris: These people had an

And why not ? Chris: These people had an interesting taste in crockery.

Joseph: I think order would be reestablished fairly quickly within towns.

reestablished fairly quickly within towns. Robin: Around a town, you'd

within towns. Robin: Around a town, you'd have security barriers and

Robin: Around a town, you'd have security barriers and limits on who comes in.

have security barriers and limits on who comes in. Pay more attention to that.

limits on who comes in. Pay more attention to that. Just like we do now

Pay more attention to that. Just like we do now with nations, we would do

Just like we do now with nations, we would do more with smaller regions.

with nations, we would do more with smaller regions. Joseph: Life for a while might

more with smaller regions. Joseph: Life for a while might become what it is like

Joseph: Life for a while might become what it is like in frontier situations,

become what it is like in frontier situations, such as the American West

in frontier situations, such as the American West in parts of the 19th century,

such as the American West in parts of the 19th century, where authority is local,

in parts of the 19th century, where authority is local, authority can be guaranteed

where authority is local, authority can be guaranteed if there is a local sheriff who

authority can be guaranteed if there is a local sheriff who is particularly effective.

if there is a local sheriff who is particularly effective. man: Yeah, it's 120 bags of

is particularly effective. man: Yeah, it's 120 bags of white flour.

man: Bags of flour. man: A sheriff is someone with authority-- he has a badge.

man: A sheriff is someone with authority-- he has a badge. Now what's that authority

authority-- he has a badge. Now what's that authority come from ?

Now what's that authority come from ? That authority comes from some

come from ? That authority comes from some sort of idea, even in the

That authority comes from some sort of idea, even in the Wild West, that there's a guy

sort of idea, even in the Wild West, that there's a guy who's there to enforce the law.

Wild West, that there's a guy who's there to enforce the law. man: Wouldn't it be easier if

who's there to enforce the law. man: Wouldn't it be easier if I just wrote this out ?

man: Wouldn't it be easier if I just wrote this out ? man: It'd be easier

I just wrote this out ? man: It'd be easier if you had a brain, Terry.

man: It'd be easier if you had a brain, Terry. C'mon, you're doing this

if you had a brain, Terry. C'mon, you're doing this as official work.

C'mon, you're doing this as official work. Steven: We're talking about a

as official work. Steven: We're talking about a world in which the governmental

Steven: We're talking about a world in which the governmental authority itself breaks down.

world in which the governmental authority itself breaks down. It's not authority he has,

authority itself breaks down. It's not authority he has, so much as the power to enforce

It's not authority he has, so much as the power to enforce loyalty through coercion

so much as the power to enforce loyalty through coercion and threats.

loyalty through coercion and threats. man: Guys, let's get over to

and threats. man: Guys, let's get over to the storage locker, let's go.

Hey, guys. Joseph: Those who did control large amounts of food

Joseph: Those who did control large amounts of food would become very powerful.

large amounts of food would become very powerful. They would become leaders by

would become very powerful. They would become leaders by virtue of the resources

They would become leaders by virtue of the resources that they control, the resources

virtue of the resources that they control, the resources that people need

that they control, the resources that people need most immediately.

that people need most immediately. Robin: Security is a huge

most immediately. Robin: Security is a huge concern in this scenario.

Robin: Security is a huge concern in this scenario. man: We've got limited

concern in this scenario. man: We've got limited supplies.

man: We've got limited supplies. I cannot let anybody

supplies. I cannot let anybody get in here.

I cannot let anybody get in here. Robin: We rely on a remarkably

get in here. Robin: We rely on a remarkably low level of security

Robin: We rely on a remarkably low level of security in our society.

low level of security in our society. And we rely on these long-term

in our society. And we rely on these long-term connections to punish people.

And we rely on these long-term connections to punish people. And when those long-term

connections to punish people. And when those long-term incentives are gone, you'll have

And when those long-term incentives are gone, you'll have to pay a lot more attention

incentives are gone, you'll have to pay a lot more attention to security.

to pay a lot more attention to security. Rick: I have quite a bit of

to security. Rick: I have quite a bit of faith in people being able to

Rick: I have quite a bit of faith in people being able to establish some kind of

faith in people being able to establish some kind of community order.

establish some kind of community order. Chris: Listen.

community order. Chris: Listen. Rick: It may not always be

Chris: Listen. Rick: It may not always be the kind of community order that

Rick: It may not always be the kind of community order that we are ideologically attuned to.

the kind of community order that we are ideologically attuned to. Chris: We gotta get to church.

we are ideologically attuned to. Chris: We gotta get to church. ( Casey sighing )

Neil: Both in the destructive phase and the rebuilding phase, religion will be

phase and the rebuilding phase, religion will be a major current.

religion will be a major current. And I wouldn't see any reason

a major current. And I wouldn't see any reason why that religious impulse

And I wouldn't see any reason why that religious impulse would not reassert itself

why that religious impulse would not reassert itself on a massive basis under

would not reassert itself on a massive basis under conditions of mass disaster.

on a massive basis under conditions of mass disaster. Lee: I can confidently

conditions of mass disaster. Lee: I can confidently predict that many people would

Lee: I can confidently predict that many people would interpret such a set of events

predict that many people would interpret such a set of events in religious terms, and that

interpret such a set of events in religious terms, and that there would be a resurgence of

in religious terms, and that there would be a resurgence of apocalyptic fervor.

there would be a resurgence of apocalyptic fervor. man: Thank you for joining us

apocalyptic fervor. man: Thank you for joining us this morning.

man: Thank you for joining us this morning. Weapons with the sheriff.

this morning. Weapons with the sheriff. Lee: There might be good reason

Weapons with the sheriff. Lee: There might be good reason to come to that conclusion.

man: Please come on in, welcome.

Thanks for being here. Neil: Historically, we have seen some very interesting

Neil: Historically, we have seen some very interesting patterns after disasters.

seen some very interesting patterns after disasters. man: Dear friends...

patterns after disasters. man: Dear friends... At times like these, it's only

man: Dear friends... At times like these, it's only natural that we ask ourselves...

At times like these, it's only natural that we ask ourselves... why ?

natural that we ask ourselves... why ? Neil: After the 1906

why ? Neil: After the 1906 San Francisco earthquake,

Neil: After the 1906 San Francisco earthquake, there were a lot of

San Francisco earthquake, there were a lot of fundamentalist revivals.

there were a lot of fundamentalist revivals. man: Why has the world

fundamentalist revivals. man: Why has the world changed so much, we ask.

man: Why has the world changed so much, we ask. Neil: San Francisco was

changed so much, we ask. Neil: San Francisco was regarded as having been

Neil: San Francisco was regarded as having been justly punished for being

regarded as having been justly punished for being a city of sin.

justly punished for being a city of sin. man: Listen to what the Lord

a city of sin. man: Listen to what the Lord says in the book of Job.

man: Listen to what the Lord says in the book of Job. Neil: This is a kind of

says in the book of Job. Neil: This is a kind of religious response that sin

Neil: This is a kind of religious response that sin is receiving its due.

religious response that sin is receiving its due. man: They are as stubble

is receiving its due. man: They are as stubble before the wind and wheat

man: They are as stubble before the wind and wheat that the storm carryeth off.

before the wind and wheat that the storm carryeth off. Joseph: Religious fanatics might

that the storm carryeth off. Joseph: Religious fanatics might blame the troubles on modern

Joseph: Religious fanatics might blame the troubles on modern knowledge, as happens among

blame the troubles on modern knowledge, as happens among fundamentalists in many

knowledge, as happens among fundamentalists in many religions today.

fundamentalists in many religions today. man: What's happened is

religions today. man: What's happened is no whimsy of nature.

man: What's happened is no whimsy of nature. Joseph: There would be a need

no whimsy of nature. Joseph: There would be a need to find someone or something

Joseph: There would be a need to find someone or something to blame.

to find someone or something to blame. man: He is putting out

to blame. man: He is putting out the candles of the wicked.

man: He is putting out the candles of the wicked. The perverts who lay with

the candles of the wicked. The perverts who lay with other men and those that

The perverts who lay with other men and those that defended them ?

other men and those that defended them ? They're being winnowed out.

defended them ? They're being winnowed out. Those so recently removed

They're being winnowed out. Those so recently removed from their native deserts and

Those so recently removed from their native deserts and their jungles,

from their native deserts and their jungles, they are being winnowed out.

their jungles, they are being winnowed out. ( congregation agreeing )

they are being winnowed out. ( congregation agreeing ) Lee: Perhaps they would feel

( congregation agreeing ) Lee: Perhaps they would feel chosen, they would feel some

Lee: Perhaps they would feel chosen, they would feel some elation for having survived

chosen, they would feel some elation for having survived what a lot of people haven't.

elation for having survived what a lot of people haven't. man: We-- we are the saved !

what a lot of people haven't. man: We-- we are the saved ! ( congregation agreeing )

man: We-- we are the saved ! ( congregation agreeing ) Food will now be served.

( congregation agreeing ) Food will now be served. ( applause )

Joseph: In the initial period, effectively the food would need to be rationed.

effectively the food would need to be rationed. Food is perhaps kept in

to be rationed. Food is perhaps kept in a community-wide storehouse

Food is perhaps kept in a community-wide storehouse with someone who makes decisions

a community-wide storehouse with someone who makes decisions about how much of it is

with someone who makes decisions about how much of it is allocated and at what times.

about how much of it is allocated and at what times. Louis: The terrible word

allocated and at what times. Louis: The terrible word "triage" comes to mind,

Louis: The terrible word "triage" comes to mind, and that is making decisions

"triage" comes to mind, and that is making decisions as to who would get the food,

and that is making decisions as to who would get the food, under what circumstances,

as to who would get the food, under what circumstances, and whether or not they'll be

under what circumstances, and whether or not they'll be an obligation for activities for

and whether or not they'll be an obligation for activities for that food, food-for-work

an obligation for activities for that food, food-for-work programs, for example.

that food, food-for-work programs, for example. Chris: So does anybody around

programs, for example. Chris: So does anybody around here know what's going on

Chris: So does anybody around here know what's going on around the country ?

here know what's going on around the country ? man: Check with Terry,

around the country ? man: Check with Terry, the deputy.

man: Check with Terry, the deputy. Marc: Will there be rumor in

the deputy. Marc: Will there be rumor in this less-connected world ?

Marc: Will there be rumor in this less-connected world ? Yes.

this less-connected world ? Yes. Chris: We were just wondering

Yes. Chris: We were just wondering if you had any news about

Chris: We were just wondering if you had any news about what's going on around

if you had any news about what's going on around the rest of the country.

what's going on around the rest of the country. Marc: However, I do think that

the rest of the country. Marc: However, I do think that you're going to see global

Marc: However, I do think that you're going to see global communication of a sort.

you're going to see global communication of a sort. I think short-wave communication

communication of a sort. I think short-wave communication and ham-radio communication

I think short-wave communication and ham-radio communication will survive.

and ham-radio communication will survive. Terry: I got a ham radio

will survive. Terry: I got a ham radio over at the station.

Terry: I got a ham radio over at the station. Chris: You're able to get news

over at the station. Chris: You're able to get news all over the country ?

Chris: You're able to get news all over the country ? Terry: I can listen to a lot of

all over the country ? Terry: I can listen to a lot of news down South, back East.

Terry: I can listen to a lot of news down South, back East. It sounds like some pretty

news down South, back East. It sounds like some pretty bad stuff is happening.

It sounds like some pretty bad stuff is happening. They're talking about another

bad stuff is happening. They're talking about another civil war breaking out.

They're talking about another civil war breaking out. Tom: Amateur radio basically

civil war breaking out. Tom: Amateur radio basically does not need any

Tom: Amateur radio basically does not need any infrastructure, so anybody can

does not need any infrastructure, so anybody can be on the air, they can scan for

infrastructure, so anybody can be on the air, they can scan for other conversations, or just

be on the air, they can scan for other conversations, or just broadcast out in the blind.

other conversations, or just broadcast out in the blind. Terry: Let's give it a shot

broadcast out in the blind. Terry: Let's give it a shot and see what we got.

Terry: Let's give it a shot and see what we got. This is Deputy Terry in

and see what we got. This is Deputy Terry in the Huntsville, Nevada,

This is Deputy Terry in the Huntsville, Nevada, Police Department.

the Huntsville, Nevada, Police Department. man: Hey, it's good to hear

Police Department. man: Hey, it's good to hear somebody else's voice

man: Hey, it's good to hear somebody else's voice on the airwaves.

somebody else's voice on the airwaves. Terry: Hello, what are things

on the airwaves. Terry: Hello, what are things like up there ?

Terry: Hello, what are things like up there ? man: Well, it's not too good.

like up there ? man: Well, it's not too good. Terry: Yeah, that sounds

man: Well, it's not too good. Terry: Yeah, that sounds like it is here.

Terry: Yeah, that sounds like it is here. Robyn: We will be living by

like it is here. Robyn: We will be living by our wits under very trying

Robyn: We will be living by our wits under very trying conditions of trying to keep

our wits under very trying conditions of trying to keep ourselves together when there

conditions of trying to keep ourselves together when there are marauding gangs trying

ourselves together when there are marauding gangs trying to take whatever little bit

are marauding gangs trying to take whatever little bit we've managed to get.

to take whatever little bit we've managed to get. Terry: I hear you.

we've managed to get. Terry: I hear you. Robyn: It could be pretty grim.

Terry: I hear you. Robyn: It could be pretty grim. Terry: All right.

Robyn: It could be pretty grim. Terry: All right. man: Okay, over and out.

Terry: All right. man: Okay, over and out. ( gunshots )

man: Okay, over and out. ( gunshots ) Terry: What's that ?

( gunshots ) Terry: What's that ? Folks, just stay here.

( man groaning )

Kevin: I can imagine if you're caught stealing or looting, you get shot on the spot.

caught stealing or looting, you get shot on the spot. man: You came to

you get shot on the spot. man: You came to the wrong town.

man: You came to the wrong town. ( gunshot )

the wrong town. ( gunshot ) Kevin: What you would call

( gunshot ) Kevin: What you would call an instantaneous application

Kevin: What you would call an instantaneous application ofeadly justice.

an instantaneous application ofeadly justice. ( gunshot )

woman: One of them got shot in the head.

Chris: We figured there had to be somewhere better to build a new life.

to be somewhere better to build a new life. So the first opportunity we got,

to build a new life. So the first opportunity we got, we decided to move on.

So the first opportunity we got, we decided to move on. Robin: We like to think that

we decided to move on. Robin: We like to think that moral progress has made us

Robin: We like to think that moral progress has made us nice people.

moral progress has made us nice people. We've heard that our distant

nice people. We've heard that our distant ancestors were mean and cruel

We've heard that our distant ancestors were mean and cruel and ruthless, and we can't

ancestors were mean and cruel and ruthless, and we can't imagine that we would be

and ruthless, and we can't imagine that we would be such people.

imagine that we would be such people. But we're nice mainly because

such people. But we're nice mainly because we're rich and comfortable,

But we're nice mainly because we're rich and comfortable, and when we're no longer

we're rich and comfortable, and when we're no longer rich and comfortable,

and when we're no longer rich and comfortable, we won't be as nice.

Chris: In the end, we made it to Idaho. As spring slowly turned to

to Idaho. As spring slowly turned to summer, life started to feel

As spring slowly turned to summer, life started to feel normal again.

summer, life started to feel normal again. But it was a world away from

normal again. But it was a world away from the life we'd known in LA.

But it was a world away from the life we'd known in LA. Joseph: If towns are abandoned

the life we'd known in LA. Joseph: If towns are abandoned because of a pandemic,

Joseph: If towns are abandoned because of a pandemic, they'll be repopulated

because of a pandemic, they'll be repopulated according to various criteria.

they'll be repopulated according to various criteria. Irrigation in the past has

according to various criteria. Irrigation in the past has been a basis for organizing

Irrigation in the past has been a basis for organizing communities.

been a basis for organizing communities. It would become so again.

communities. It would become so again. Rick: Water would drive people

It would become so again. Rick: Water would drive people to the Northwest or maybe even

Rick: Water would drive people to the Northwest or maybe even out to the Eastern seaboard.

to the Northwest or maybe even out to the Eastern seaboard. Robyn: It would be kind of

out to the Eastern seaboard. Robyn: It would be kind of like 1800s America,

Robyn: It would be kind of like 1800s America, rural America,

like 1800s America, rural America, going back to that period.

You might have very limited healthcare services. They might go back to a system

limited healthcare services. They might go back to a system that we had in, say, the early

They might go back to a system that we had in, say, the early 20th century, like a family

that we had in, say, the early 20th century, like a family doctor practice taking patients

20th century, like a family doctor practice taking patients within their household setting.

doctor practice taking patients within their household setting. Chris: Well, I trained

within their household setting. Chris: Well, I trained as a paramedic.

Chris: Well, I trained as a paramedic. I'm not really a doctor,

as a paramedic. I'm not really a doctor, but I'm pretty confident

I'm not really a doctor, but I'm pretty confident you've just got a cold.

but I'm pretty confident you've just got a cold. David B.: It's gonna go back

you've just got a cold. David B.: It's gonna go back to the very basics,

David B.: It's gonna go back to the very basics, like it was in the Civil War.

to the very basics, like it was in the Civil War. I think in the 1700s, 1800s,

like it was in the Civil War. I think in the 1700s, 1800s, people were more hardy

I think in the 1700s, 1800s, people were more hardy because they had to be.

people were more hardy because they had to be. man: Do you have any aspirin

because they had to be. man: Do you have any aspirin or painkillers ?

man: Do you have any aspirin or painkillers ? Chris: Yeah, we kinda went

or painkillers ? Chris: Yeah, we kinda went through that stuff

Chris: Yeah, we kinda went through that stuff a couple months ago, but--

through that stuff a couple months ago, but-- David B.: Today in modern

a couple months ago, but-- David B.: Today in modern society, we've become accustomed

David B.: Today in modern society, we've become accustomed to instant pain relief.

society, we've become accustomed to instant pain relief. Chris: You can take these

to instant pain relief. Chris: You can take these mint leaves, that should clear

Chris: You can take these mint leaves, that should clear up your congestion.

mint leaves, that should clear up your congestion. Robyn: We'd have to go back to

up your congestion. Robyn: We'd have to go back to the home remedies

Robyn: We'd have to go back to the home remedies that we had many years ago.

the home remedies that we had many years ago. Chris: All right, let me know

that we had many years ago. Chris: All right, let me know how they work, okay ?

Chris: All right, let me know how they work, okay ? man: All right, thanks a lot.

Michael: They're gonna have to learn skills that their grandparents would've taken

learn skills that their grandparents would've taken for granted.

grandparents would've taken for granted. And that's gonna be

for granted. And that's gonna be a very hard way to live.

And that's gonna be a very hard way to live. Casey: Whatcha making ?

a very hard way to live. Casey: Whatcha making ? Ellen: Veggie stew.

Casey: Whatcha making ? Ellen: Veggie stew. Chris: Casey, can you give me

Ellen: Veggie stew. Chris: Casey, can you give me a hand in the garden ?

Chris: Casey, can you give me a hand in the garden ? Casey: Sure.

a hand in the garden ? Casey: Sure. woman: One does not walk into

Casey: Sure. woman: One does not walk into a patch of dirt and throw some

woman: One does not walk into a patch of dirt and throw some seeds, and six weeks later

a patch of dirt and throw some seeds, and six weeks later harvest meals.

seeds, and six weeks later harvest meals. Chris: What do you think,

harvest meals. Chris: What do you think, not too bad, huh ?

Chris: What do you think, not too bad, huh ? Casey: What happened

not too bad, huh ? Casey: What happened to our carrots ?

Casey: What happened to our carrots ? Kathy: Learning how to grow food

to our carrots ? Kathy: Learning how to grow food is a process that takes people

Kathy: Learning how to grow food is a process that takes people entire lifetimes to learn.

is a process that takes people entire lifetimes to learn. Chris: We could use a little

entire lifetimes to learn. Chris: We could use a little help with that.

Chris: We could use a little help with that. More like a lot.

help with that. More like a lot. Ellen: Hey, Chris.

More like a lot. Ellen: Hey, Chris. Louis: You have to grow

Ellen: Hey, Chris. Louis: You have to grow an awful lot of food that

Louis: You have to grow an awful lot of food that becomes ripe at the same time.

an awful lot of food that becomes ripe at the same time. That means you have to have

becomes ripe at the same time. That means you have to have efficient food-preservation

That means you have to have efficient food-preservation techniques, that maybe

efficient food-preservation techniques, that maybe the community may not know of

techniques, that maybe the community may not know of at first.

the community may not know of at first. Kathy: Dehydrating and pickling

at first. Kathy: Dehydrating and pickling are both ways to preserve food

Kathy: Dehydrating and pickling are both ways to preserve food that require very little energy

are both ways to preserve food that require very little energy and store food

that require very little energy and store food for very long times.

and store food for very long times. Casey: Do we have to work

for very long times. Casey: Do we have to work all day ?

Casey: Do we have to work all day ? Ellen: Yep.

all day ? Ellen: Yep. All day.

Ellen: Yep. All day. Kathy: Creativity is

All day. Kathy: Creativity is certainly high on the list.

Kathy: Creativity is certainly high on the list. Retrofitting some things--

certainly high on the list. Retrofitting some things-- for instance, a car.

Retrofitting some things-- for instance, a car. A car makes a really good

for instance, a car. A car makes a really good solar dehydrator.

Chris: Ellen, can you give me a cup ? Ellen: What happened ?

me a cup ? Ellen: What happened ? Chris: I just nicked myself.

Ellen: What happened ? Chris: I just nicked myself. This is why I'm not a surgeon.

Joseph: You can perhaps compare to some of the early English settlers on the East Coast of

to some of the early English settlers on the East Coast of the United States who had years

settlers on the East Coast of the United States who had years of famine when they first got

the United States who had years of famine when they first got here because they had to

of famine when they first got here because they had to learn how to farm

here because they had to learn how to farm under new conditions.

learn how to farm under new conditions. Rick: In order to grow food,

under new conditions. Rick: In order to grow food, we would probably jump back to

Rick: In order to grow food, we would probably jump back to the 1850s, 1860s

we would probably jump back to the 1850s, 1860s in terms of technology, where we

the 1850s, 1860s in terms of technology, where we would be using more human power,

in terms of technology, where we would be using more human power, more animal power to grow food.

would be using more human power, more animal power to grow food. It would be a radical change

more animal power to grow food. It would be a radical change in life.

Robin: The key economic insight is that when things change a lot, what we all need to do

is that when things change a lot, what we all need to do is adapt.

a lot, what we all need to do is adapt. You'll need to find a new job.

Kevin: People who actually know how to grow a garden will be far more valuable than someone

how to grow a garden will be far more valuable than someone who knows how to trade

more valuable than someone who knows how to trade on the stock market.

who knows how to trade on the stock market. Kathy: A man who is working

on the stock market. Kathy: A man who is working really hard all day, every day,

Kathy: A man who is working really hard all day, every day, requires about 3,000 calories

really hard all day, every day, requires about 3,000 calories a day.

requires about 3,000 calories a day. You are going to have to grow

a day. You are going to have to grow things that are starchy.

You are going to have to grow things that are starchy. You're going to need the root

things that are starchy. You're going to need the root vegetables, potatoes come to

You're going to need the root vegetables, potatoes come to mind, turnips, beets, carrots.

vegetables, potatoes come to mind, turnips, beets, carrots. ( horse neighing )

mind, turnips, beets, carrots. ( horse neighing ) Joseph: A year on, food supplies

( horse neighing ) Joseph: A year on, food supplies that had been in storage

Joseph: A year on, food supplies that had been in storage would be gone.

that had been in storage would be gone. They'd have to learn

would be gone. They'd have to learn how to cooperate.

They'd have to learn how to cooperate. They'd have to learn

how to cooperate. They'd have to learn how to share.

man: C'mon, boys, get that open, we got some selling to do here ! Joseph: The only things that you

we got some selling to do here ! Joseph: The only things that you could transport long distances

Joseph: The only things that you could transport long distances over land would be very

could transport long distances over land would be very high-value goods.

over land would be very high-value goods. And these might perhaps be

high-value goods. And these might perhaps be weapons, other things people

And these might perhaps be weapons, other things people consider to be of high value

weapons, other things people consider to be of high value in these circumstances.

consider to be of high value in these circumstances. man: We got some of

in these circumstances. man: We got some of the finest stuff you're ever

man: We got some of the finest stuff you're ever gonna find here, folks.

the finest stuff you're ever gonna find here, folks. Step on up and take a look here.

Kathy: One of the big careers will be in salvage, people who go out and they visit

will be in salvage, people who go out and they visit communities that have been

go out and they visit communities that have been decimated and they bring

communities that have been decimated and they bring back the stuff.

decimated and they bring back the stuff. Joseph: After a while,

back the stuff. Joseph: After a while, local communities would

Joseph: After a while, local communities would probably establish their own

local communities would probably establish their own currencies based in paper.

probably establish their own currencies based in paper. We might see something like

currencies based in paper. We might see something like a Los Angeles dollar and

We might see something like a Los Angeles dollar and a San Fernando Valley dollar.

a Los Angeles dollar and a San Fernando Valley dollar. There would be all of these

a San Fernando Valley dollar. There would be all of these local currencies emerging.

man: Howdy. Chris: Hi. You guys have any antibiotics

Chris: Hi. You guys have any antibiotics in there ?

You guys have any antibiotics in there ? man: No, I'm sorry,

in there ? man: No, I'm sorry, they got used up.

man: No, I'm sorry, they got used up. There's a war down in the South.

they got used up. There's a war down in the South. It's using up all

There's a war down in the South. It's using up all the medical supplies.

It's using up all the medical supplies. Chris: Do you know when you'll

the medical supplies. Chris: Do you know when you'll be back up through here ?

Chris: Do you know when you'll be back up through here ? man: We won't be back through

be back up through here ? man: We won't be back through here for a few more weeks.

man: We won't be back through here for a few more weeks. We gotta go down to Butte next

here for a few more weeks. We gotta go down to Butte next and see if we can find something

We gotta go down to Butte next and see if we can find something then, but...

and see if we can find something then, but... Gonna be all right there, son ?

then, but... Gonna be all right there, son ? Chris: Uh, yeah, I'll be fine.

Gonna be all right there, son ? Chris: Uh, yeah, I'll be fine. Thanks.

David B.: Without the medicines that we live on today, we would go back to the

that we live on today, we would go back to the mortality rates that we saw in

we would go back to the mortality rates that we saw in the 1700s, 1800s, early 1900s.

mortality rates that we saw in the 1700s, 1800s, early 1900s. Robyn: Even a scratch could

the 1700s, 1800s, early 1900s. Robyn: Even a scratch could become infected

Robyn: Even a scratch could become infected and cause problems.

become infected and cause problems. That certainly could happen

and cause problems. That certainly could happen if we didn't have access

That certainly could happen if we didn't have access to antibiotics.

Chris: Damn.

Chris: It had barely been two years since we'd left LA, but it felt like a lifetime ago.

two years since we'd left LA, but it felt like a lifetime ago. Finally we'd built a new life

but it felt like a lifetime ago. Finally we'd built a new life for ourselves.

Finally we'd built a new life for ourselves. And although the days were hard,

for ourselves. And although the days were hard, for a while, I can honestly say

And although the days were hard, for a while, I can honestly say we were content.

for a while, I can honestly say we were content. But that happiness

we were content. But that happiness was to be short-lived.

But that happiness was to be short-lived. Casey: Mom, what's wrong

was to be short-lived. Casey: Mom, what's wrong with Dad ?

Casey: Mom, what's wrong with Dad ? Ellen: He's just got

with Dad ? Ellen: He's just got an infection in his cut.

Ellen: He's just got an infection in his cut. It's okay.

an infection in his cut. It's okay. Kathy: I could picture a feast

It's okay. Kathy: I could picture a feast where everyone comes together.

Kathy: I could picture a feast where everyone comes together. You'll see a lot of things on

where everyone comes together. You'll see a lot of things on the table that were gathered

You'll see a lot of things on the table that were gathered from the wild,

the table that were gathered from the wild, mushrooms and greens.

from the wild, mushrooms and greens. There may be bread,

mushrooms and greens. There may be bread, but it might not be wheat bread,

There may be bread, but it might not be wheat bread, it might be corn bread, and it

but it might not be wheat bread, it might be corn bread, and it might be heavier and denser

it might be corn bread, and it might be heavier and denser than you're used to.

might be heavier and denser than you're used to. There might be meat, but it

than you're used to. There might be meat, but it might well be poultry and you

There might be meat, but it might well be poultry and you might not get much of it.

Chris: Have you guys been through LA ? man: Yeah, been through LA.

through LA ? man: Yeah, been through LA. That was what,

man: Yeah, been through LA. That was what, about a month ago ?

That was what, about a month ago ? Had to shoot our way in,

about a month ago ? Had to shoot our way in, shoot your way out.

Had to shoot our way in, shoot your way out. It's not worth it anymore.

shoot your way out. It's not worth it anymore. There's a Walmart in town.

It's not worth it anymore. There's a Walmart in town. Go in there, picked clean,

There's a Walmart in town. Go in there, picked clean, right ?

Go in there, picked clean, right ? They were pulling up floor tile,

right ? They were pulling up floor tile, now you go figure that.

They were pulling up floor tile, now you go figure that. What're they gonna do with it ?

now you go figure that. What're they gonna do with it ? Can't eat it.

What're they gonna do with it ? Can't eat it. Can't sell it.

Can't eat it. Can't sell it. Doing home remodeling ?

Can't sell it. Doing home remodeling ? ( laughing )

Doing home remodeling ? ( laughing ) Oh, all right !

( laughing ) Oh, all right ! These folks know how

Oh, all right ! These folks know how to throw a party, huh ?

These folks know how to throw a party, huh ? ( laughing )

to throw a party, huh ? ( laughing ) Kathy: I am certain that one

( laughing ) Kathy: I am certain that one of the first things that will

Kathy: I am certain that one of the first things that will evolve is a way to make alcohol.

of the first things that will evolve is a way to make alcohol. Historically, we've come

evolve is a way to make alcohol. Historically, we've come together around sharing a drink,

Historically, we've come together around sharing a drink, and I think we'll continue

together around sharing a drink, and I think we'll continue to do that.

and I think we'll continue to do that. man: Boys, I say we raise

to do that. man: Boys, I say we raise our glass to these fine people

man: Boys, I say we raise our glass to these fine people that have shown

our glass to these fine people that have shown their hospitality.

that have shown their hospitality. Robyn: Our life expectancies

their hospitality. Robyn: Our life expectancies have increased dramatically in

Robyn: Our life expectancies have increased dramatically in the last couple hundred years.

have increased dramatically in the last couple hundred years. We've benefited from the diet

the last couple hundred years. We've benefited from the diet and our lifestyle.

We've benefited from the diet and our lifestyle. David B.: Without modern

and our lifestyle. David B.: Without modern medicine, we go back to

David B.: Without modern medicine, we go back to the scenarios that we had where

medicine, we go back to the scenarios that we had where people got a small cut,

the scenarios that we had where people got a small cut, it became inflamed,

people got a small cut, it became inflamed, it developed a minor infection,

it became inflamed, it developed a minor infection, it spread to the body,

it developed a minor infection, it spread to the body, and the body became toxic

it spread to the body, and the body became toxic as a result.

and the body became toxic as a result. man: It's nice to know that

as a result. man: It's nice to know that Son, you all right ?

man: It's nice to know that Son, you all right ? Ellen: Chris !

Son, you all right ? Ellen: Chris ! Chris !

Ellen: Chris ! Chris ! Casey: Dad ?

man: You all right ? Son, can you hear me ?

( Ellen crying )

Kathy: People will die. They will die earlier. They will die from things that

They will die earlier. They will die from things that they didn't die from 20 years

They will die from things that they didn't die from 20 years ago, or 10 years ago,

they didn't die from 20 years ago, or 10 years ago, and we will have to come

ago, or 10 years ago, and we will have to come to terms with that.

Casey: There's nothing more terrifying than the complete finality of death.

terrifying than the complete finality of death. After Dad passed away, I found

finality of death. After Dad passed away, I found myself questioning my own life,

After Dad passed away, I found myself questioning my own life, endlessly replaying events.

myself questioning my own life, endlessly replaying events. Chris: Seriously, do you

endlessly replaying events. Chris: Seriously, do you have to film everything ?

Chris: Seriously, do you have to film everything ? Casey: Yep.

have to film everything ? Casey: Yep. I wondered if somehow

Casey: Yep. I wondered if somehow I could've made things

I wondered if somehow I could've made things turn out differently.

Robyn: There have been times

in the period of mankind where we've gotten down to really scarily few numbers

where we've gotten down to really scarily few numbers and we still managed to survive.

Lee: There was a time when the Earth had only 10% of the population that it now

the Earth had only 10% of the population that it now has, and there were setbacks,

of the population that it now has, and there were setbacks, but generally it thrived

has, and there were setbacks, but generally it thrived or we wouldn't be here today.

Joseph: In many ways, it would not be an undesirable way of life.

it would not be an undesirable way of life. Many people today aspire to

way of life. Many people today aspire to a simpler way of life, and this

Many people today aspire to a simpler way of life, and this is what it would be.

Lee: You imagine that some of these old technologies that our immediate forebearers developed

these old technologies that our immediate forebearers developed would come back.

But surely they would be more ingenious than somebody in the 1820s.

Joseph: 25 years on, we would have a new generation for whom the new way of life is normal.

have a new generation for whom the new way of life is normal. Education would simplify.

the new way of life is normal. Education would simplify. Knowledge would

Education would simplify. Knowledge would become practical.

Knowledge would become practical. Lee: There will remain

become practical. Lee: There will remain an institutionalized

Lee: There will remain an institutionalized form of memory.

an institutionalized form of memory. The books didn't get sick.

form of memory. The books didn't get sick. There is a stock of knowledge

The books didn't get sick. There is a stock of knowledge that our survivors

There is a stock of knowledge that our survivors could go back to.

that our survivors could go back to. Joseph: Would the United States

could go back to. Joseph: Would the United States still exist in 25 years ?

Joseph: Would the United States still exist in 25 years ? It's interesting to remember

still exist in 25 years ? It's interesting to remember that after the collapse of

It's interesting to remember that after the collapse of the Roman Empire, for a while,

that after the collapse of the Roman Empire, for a while, people in Western Europe still

the Roman Empire, for a while, people in Western Europe still thought they were in

people in Western Europe still thought they were in the Roman Empire.

thought they were in the Roman Empire. It continued to exist as a myth,

the Roman Empire. It continued to exist as a myth, as an ideal, as a story.

It continued to exist as a myth, as an ideal, as a story. And I think that's what would

as an ideal, as a story. And I think that's what would happen with us, that we would

And I think that's what would happen with us, that we would develop a myth of a lost golden

happen with us, that we would develop a myth of a lost golden age, but it would be a myth.

Lee: I don't imagine that the big cities ever work again.

Joseph: As the infrastructure decays, it's not clear how it could be repaired or replaced.

decays, it's not clear how it could be repaired or replaced. Positive things don't always

could be repaired or replaced. Positive things don't always emerge from collapses,

Positive things don't always emerge from collapses, but they can, so we would expect

emerge from collapses, but they can, so we would expect that ecosystems would

but they can, so we would expect that ecosystems would restore themselves.

that ecosystems would restore themselves. We would have healthier

restore themselves. We would have healthier landscapes and less pollution.

We would have healthier landscapes and less pollution. Lee: The loss of so many

landscapes and less pollution. Lee: The loss of so many millions, the loss of so much

Lee: The loss of so many millions, the loss of so much culture, so much community,

millions, the loss of so much culture, so much community, that's not good.

culture, so much community, that's not good. But if you try to put yourself

that's not good. But if you try to put yourself in the position of

But if you try to put yourself in the position of the survivors, you have to say,

in the position of the survivors, you have to say, it's a new beginning.

the survivors, you have to say, it's a new beginning. Maybe it's a moment for starting

it's a new beginning. Maybe it's a moment for starting over, to not develop the petty

Maybe it's a moment for starting over, to not develop the petty jealousies that plague us.

over, to not develop the petty jealousies that plague us. I would be hopeful that

jealousies that plague us. I would be hopeful that that would be the future,

I would be hopeful that that would be the future, rather than the one of "Mad Max"

that would be the future, rather than the one of "Mad Max" and great barbarism

rather than the one of "Mad Max" and great barbarism amid selfishness.

and great barbarism amid selfishness. That's possible, but it's not

amid selfishness. That's possible, but it's not the future I want to believe in.

That's possible, but it's not the future I want to believe in. Robyn: There will be a cohort

the future I want to believe in. Robyn: There will be a cohort of people who have

Robyn: There will be a cohort of people who have survivor skills.

of people who have survivor skills. I think they'll become

survivor skills. I think they'll become the leaders in that new age.

I think they'll become the leaders in that new age. Casey: What happened left

the leaders in that new age. Casey: What happened left its mark on us all.

Casey: What happened left its mark on us all. But that's in the past.

its mark on us all. But that's in the past. The important thing

But that's in the past. The important thing now is to look to the future.

The important thing now is to look to the future. ( baby crying )

now is to look to the future. ( baby crying ) woman: Casey !

Robyn: Will we look like today's society ? Absolutely not.

today's society ? Absolutely not. Will it be better ?

Absolutely not. Will it be better ? Maybe.

Will it be better ? Maybe. Will it be worse ?

Maybe. Will it be worse ? Let's hope we never have

Will it be worse ? Let's hope we never have to find that out.

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