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REBECCA BARRY: It is a scandal.
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One that's rumbled on
for more than 20 years and counting.
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Damaging lives...
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I had an inescapable abuser.
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..sowing distrust...
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I became a recluse.
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..and shaking an industry
to its core.
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Apologies by some,
and over £1 billion spent
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by two of Britain's biggest
newspaper groups
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on legal fees, and on pay-outs
to thousands of victims
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whose lives have been invaded
by phone-hacking
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and unlawful information gathering.
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And yet for many,
the pain endures.
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Not least for a prince
who continues to fight.
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This is a David versus Goliath
situation.
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The Davids are the claimants,
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and the Goliath
is this vast media enterprise.
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And it's not just the rich
and famous.
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This wasn't just salacious gossip,
we were just normal people
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who got involved
in a horrific incident.
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Recent claims go even further.
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Burglary.
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The whole door
had been taken off its hinges.
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Eavesdropping on people's
live phone calls
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and blagging
their private information.
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As one courtroom battle concludes,
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other Fleet Street giants
face trial.
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Now, accusations of cover-ups
against some newspapers...
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It is clear to me that we were not
told the full truth.
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..have re-ignited
this controversy...
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The yard covered it up.
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..giving some new drive
in their fight for the truth.
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I don't think there's anyone
in the world that is better suited
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to be able to see this through
than myself.
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I'm trying to get justice
for everybody.
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Can you just describe what it is
that you're looking at?
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A very young photograph of me
from my school days,
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and the headline saying,
"Harry's Taken Drugs" -
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smoking dope with pals in the pub.
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And what goes through your head
when you see that now?
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Erm... I don't even know
what to say any more.
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HE CHUCKLES
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Being that young and being
under constant surveillance
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and distrusting everybody
around you... yeah, it sucks.
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It's been a bitter legal battle
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that finally reached its conclusion
last December -
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Prince Harry's High Court case
against Mirror Group Newspapers.
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Today is a great day for truth
as well as accountability.
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The judge ruled that phone-hacking
and unlawful information gathering
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was "habitual and widespread"
at The Mirror, The Sunday Mirror
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and The People,
for more than a decade.
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This case is not just about hacking.
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It is about a systemic practice of
unlawful and appalling behaviour.
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For both sides, it was the end of
a punishing legal process,
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with one side claiming victory,
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the other seeking to draw a line
under the saga.
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But it all might not have happened
without the persistence
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and financial firepower
of an aggrieved and angry prince.
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This is the first time Prince Harry
has spoken about his win.
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Did you feel vindicated?
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Yeah, no, I did feel vindicated.
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Phone hacking has been going on
for a long time.
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It's some...
especially the defendants, you know,
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claim to for it to be historical.
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Well, there's a huge amount
that has come to light now
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that people,
and the British public especially,
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simply have no idea about.
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The judge ruled 15
out of 33 articles -
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about his past girlfriends,
a conversation with his brother,
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his deployments to Afghanistan -
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were all the result of unlawful
invasions into his privacy.
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In total,
he's reportedly been awarded
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hundreds of thousands
of pounds in damages.
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Can you just spell out to me
what kind of criminal tactics
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Mirror Group newspapers used
against you?
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Well,
there's voicemail interception,
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blagging of flight records.
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It was always referred to
as just "phone hacking",
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but it's the unlawful
information gathering
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and use of private investigators,
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that was really the secondary part
to this.
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When you got the judge's ruling
that you had been hacked,
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what was your reaction?
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To go in there, and come out
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and have the judge rule
in our favour was obviously huge.
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But to go as far as he did
with regard to, you know,
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this wasn't just
the individual people,
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this went right up to the top,
this was lawyers,
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this was high executives.
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And to be able to achieve that
in a trial,
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that's a monumental victory.
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Nick Davies is the journalist who
exposed the phone hacking scandal.
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The judgment that
Mr Justice Fancourt handed down
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is devastating.
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He identifies by name
senior journalists
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across the Mirror Group titles.
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He identifies the chief executive
of the Mirror Group at that time,
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the chief legal officer,
and he says of all of them,
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"You were on the wrong side
of the line here.
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"You knew this was going on,
you failed to stop it."
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It's a really, really
devastating judgment.
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Prince Harry's settled case
against Mirror Group Newspapers
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isn't the only lawsuit on the table.
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He's playing a pivotal part
in two other live cases.
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The first, against Rupert Murdoch's
News Group Newspapers -
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the publisher of The Sun.
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The second,
against Associated Newspapers -
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the publisher of the Daily Mail
and the Mail on Sunday,
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a powerful newsgroup
who've been sucked into this storm
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for the first time.
All part of Harry's mission.
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This is a David versus Goliath
situation.
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The Davids are the claimants,
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and the Goliath is this vast media
enterprise.
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I'm trying to get justice
for everybody.
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To understand
these courtroom conflicts,
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you need to go back 30 years.
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Britain in the '90s
was in the midst of change -
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technology
altering the way we lived,
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and celebrity culture
had become a national fascination.
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The tabloid papers held the cards.
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The power to sway elections,
to make or break careers.
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And as the '90s
were drawing to a close,
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one little girl in Wales was
becoming a rising star.
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OPERATIC SINGING
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I never look back
at old headlines or old stories
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at old headlines or old stories
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that were written about me.
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CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK
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I think that whole period of my life
was so coloured
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by what the tabloid press
were trying to do to us.
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Because they sort of poisoned it,
in a way.
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Charlotte Church launched
into the world's media spotlight
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at just 11 years old.
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Will you give us a little burst?
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Of course. Please can I get
a C off the orchestra?
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A C. Well, you can try. They haven't
been hitting them this evening.
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C, please.
There you go, C.
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A household name overnight,
with no idea of what to expect.
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It was incredibly exciting.
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We were a working class family
from South Wales,
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and this sort of stuff just
didn't happen to people like us.
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You know,
it was proper fairy-tale stuff.
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I was aware of the press coverage
that I was getting,
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but I had absolutely no context
for it.
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I'd never read anything,
any sort of newspaper,
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or I was reading things
like Smash Hits.
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LAUGHS
But that was about it!
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Excuse me.
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This new global superstar
was in demand.
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But once the angelic child
became a teenager...
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Eleven hours till I'm 18.
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..the tabloid tone shifted.
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Just gonna know exactly where
I'm going, the little fuckheads.
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MAN:They're gonna follow us.
They cannot follow us.
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You're gonna have to lose them,
Mark. I know, I'm trying.
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From the ages of, like,
you know, 15 to 21, essentially,
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you know, 15 to 21, essentially,
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I had an inescapable abuser -
the press.
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They used to cut holes in hedges
and stuff,
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where we lived
and where my friends lived,
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so they could use long lenses
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and we wouldn't necessarily know
that they were there.
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And then, of course, when I was
acting like a normal teenager,
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they sensationalised that
to such a point
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where you would've thought that
I was, like,
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a completely out of control person
on hard drugs.
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And then, you know,
have everybody believe that.
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It's so dehumanising.
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Many of the stories
went beyond press intrusion.
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From the age of 16 onwards,
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she was being hacked
by The News Of The World.
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Get your fucking hands off!
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There was so many articles
that stood out to me
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as being, like, there is no way...
like, where are they listening?
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There's just a level
of paranoia and anxiety.
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We used to say,
"God, have they tapped our phones?
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"Have they got microphones
in our house?"
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Charlotte believes an article
in the Daily Mail
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was the result of phone-tapping.
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There was one story I remember
where I was having an argument
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with my mom and dad on the phone.
I was literally by myself.
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Nobody could have overheard us.
And it was a live conversation.
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It was a live conversation
which ended up in the Daily Mail.
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It's just such a violation.
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And there was just... there were
so many stories like that.
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The Daily Mail say that Charlotte
has never complained
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about this article, and it was
based on an overheard conversation
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in a public place.
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They categorically deny
unlawful information gathering,
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as does the journalist
who wrote the story.
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But for papers looking for a scoop,
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anyone connected to Charlotte
became collateral damage.
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My mother was already
an incredibly vulnerable woman.
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Her mental health was really bad.
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I'd found her
after taking an overdose.
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She was in a really bad way,
and that was straight in the press.
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Straight in the press,
no idea again where it came from.
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I mean, it was horrific.
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And she's never been able
to fully come back
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from the abuse that she suffered.
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My parents,
they weren't public people.
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They had never courted it,
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and they just got
absolutely mullered,
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completely mullered
by the tabloid press.
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Like, they were fair game,
like I was fair game.
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Why was I fair game?
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Their motivation could be put down
to one factor - money.
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There was
this ruthless determination
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to beat the opposition.
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You have these big
profit-seeking corporations
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and they pass down the need
to make profit,
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which gets translated into
a need to find stories
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in order to sell more copies,
in order to have more readers.
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And the criminality
in these newspapers
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is the logical outcome
of the constant drive
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for more and more profit
from their bosses.
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If you wanted a career in newspapers
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and you wanted a career
in the tabloids,
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you had to put your head down
and do what you were told.
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And so you saw this kind of
escalating screw of anxiety going on
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with people trying to find out,
"Well, how do you get the scoops?
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"Where are these stories
coming from?"
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And I think that pushed people
into using shortcuts.
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Even now,
few from inside the tabloid world
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admit to being a part
of any illegality.
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Paul McMullan spent seven years
at The News Of The World,
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one of Britain's
most popular papers.
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These days, he runs a pub
on the south coast.
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What sort of pressure was there
to deliver exclusives and stories?
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At The News Of The World, if you did
less than 12 exclusives a year,
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you got fired.
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But sometimes, the methods
to get those stories were unlawful.
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Was that justified?
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Perfectly, yeah.
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Because what is in the
public interest?
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And I think the public is capable
of saying what it's interested in.
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And the very fact that
five million people
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put their hand in their pocket
and paid a pound to read it,
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surely that is public interest
enough.
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Isn't there a difference
between public interest
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and what interests the public?
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No, it's exactly the same.
It has to be.
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Can you list for me
the kinds of unlawful tactics
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that you took part in?
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I did loads of illegal things.
Stole things.
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I mean, blagged things.
I did blagging.
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Even that now is illegal.
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I mean, I'll tell you a great blag
on Bob Geldof, if you like,
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to give you an idea. So Bob,
he got off with this girl in France,
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so we rang up the hotel,
and cos I speak French,
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I said, "We are
Monsieur Geldof's accountants.
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"Can you send us his bill?"
So they faxed us over the bill,
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everything he'd had on room service,
all the numbers he'd called.
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So we just called through
all the numbers
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and worked out
who his new girlfriend was.
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Which I think is a brilliant piece
of investigative journalism.
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But is that illegal?
Yes.
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Oh, well, anyway,
it probably wasn't in the '90s.
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'Then there's the act of
voicemail interception
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'or phone hacking,
a legally grey area
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'until it was made a crime
in the year 2000.
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'But Paul tells me it didn't
stop The News Of The World
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'from doing it on
an "industrial scale". '
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Did you hack anyone?
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I didn't really have to
cos I was senior enough
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not to have to do it.
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The people who did it were the
reporters who were trying to get on.
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And they were bullied by the bosses.
But we hacked everyone's phone.
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I mean, literally, everyone's phone.
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We had a number,
we were gonna listen to it.
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It was almost
an industry standard technique.
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Everybody did it all the time.
We didn't see it as bad.
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We didn't see it as illegal.
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So you could say
it's a pretty victimless crime.
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You didn't even know. But don't
people have a right to privacy?
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You might want privacy,
but you don't need it.
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The only people who actually need it
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are people who are doing something
fundamentally wrong or bad,
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and that's why we had
all our surveillance techniques
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to catch them out.
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Now it's alleged the tricks
of some of the tabloids
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went far beyond just phone-hacking.
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There was microphones
in window boxes,
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medical records all blagged
and stolen.
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CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK
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In those days,
the paparazzi were something else.
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I mean, something extraordinary.
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Doesn't mean it doesn't happen
still today, to me, to other people.
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But I remember...
I remember that night out.
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I remember the paparazzi trying to
get in the door, to get in the car,
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I remember being hit over the head
by cameras,
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I remember my security
doing everything they could
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to try to keep them away.
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It felt like harassment.
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It felt horrible then,
it feels horrible now.
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MAN:How do you feel today, Hugh?
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'I seemed to have no privacy
at all.'
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Please look towards me.
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All right, guys, that's it.
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Wherever I went, whatever I did,
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there could well be a photographer
or a journalist waiting, watching.
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Some say the loss of privacy
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is simply the price you pay
for fame and fortune.
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But Hugh Grant believes
that as his profile grew,
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so too did the illegal acts
used against him.
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This isn't something
that's only about phone hacking.
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There was microphones
in window boxes outside the house.
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There were trackers,
microphones dropped into my car.
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There were medical records of me
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and mothers of my children,
for instance.
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All blagged and stolen
out of the NHS.
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And perhaps most spectacularly,
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the burglary of both my flat
and my office.
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'The actor recently
made these claims
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'in legal action against The Sun,
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'allegations the newspaper
has always denied.'
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Can you take me back to that moment
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when you discovered
you'd been burgled?
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So, in the case of my flat burglary,
yeah, it was quite spectacular
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in that the whole door
had been taken off its hinges.
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Up, up, it's a big walk-up,
like, four floors up.
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And, yes, they'd been through
the flat, and nothing was stolen.
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They'd been there
to get information.
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And a lot of information about the
interior and the contents of my flat
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appeared in newspapers
a couple of days later.
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And there's never been a burglary
before or since.
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'But back then, Hugh says,
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'even contacting the police
brought its own risks.'
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These people live above the law.
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And the police, I'm afraid,
at that least at that stage,
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were as dangerous as the reporters.
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If you called the police
about anything...
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I remember my girlfriend
getting mugged just around here.
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If you called them,
you were absolutely sure
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that the first person
who would turn up
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would not be a policeman,
it would be a reporter.
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Cos the Met just got straight
on the phone to the tabloids,
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tipped them off.
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Most of the more difficult
or illegal acts
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were farmed out
to private investigators - PIs -
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specialising in what was known
as "the dark arts".
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And sometimes,
they had links to the police.
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Peter, which isn't his real name,
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was a serving officer
whilst moonlighting as a PI.
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He says he worked for Mirror Group
and News Group Newspapers.
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We mainly specialised in
the surveillance side of things.
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Anything from accessing voicemails,
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getting into people's emails,
phone tapping.
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If you personally couldn't get hold
of information,
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how did you go about finding it?
What did you do?
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We had a network of subcontractors
who could help us
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with getting any information
that we wanted.
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Some of them were more prevalent
in blagging,
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some were good at IT stuff,
and some were good at phone tapping.
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Do you think that the people
who commissioned your work knew
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that the information could only have
come from unlawful methods?
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It was a bit like
the Wild West, really.
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It was very open,
everything was talked about.
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I don't think that there were was
ever a time where anyone would say,
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"You need to be careful about this."
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But away from Fleet Street, their
victims and the public had no idea.
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Until, in 2005, a chain of events
at The News Of The World
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exposed their unlawful tactics.
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The royal correspondent
of The News Of The World,
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Clive Goodman, is plodding away in
The News Of The World office,
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not doing terribly well.
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There's this private investigator in
in the background, Glenn Mulcaire,
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who's helping other people
to hack voicemail.
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Goodman hooks up with him and says,
"Come on, help me out here, mate."
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The mistake that
Goodman and Mulcaire made
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was to target the one group
of people in this country
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who have more prestige
and more power
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than Rupert Murdoch
and his company - the royal family.
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They systematically targeted
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phone numbers
from the royal household.
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And to some extent,
they were successful.
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Their hacking did bring in
exclusives
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00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,480
about Princes Harry and William,
but the details were so specific,
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they could have only have come
from one place - voicemails.
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Buckingham Palace grew suspicious
and contacted the police.
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In August 2006, Clive Goodman
and Glenn Mulcaire are arrested.
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The police seize the
private investigator's notebooks,
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containing thousands of names
and mobile numbers,
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but no-one else at
The News Of The World is charged.
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00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,160
Within months, Scotland Yard
closes the police investigation,
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00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,840
only giving their reasons
years later.
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Our enquiries show that
in the vast majority of cases,
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there was insufficient evidence
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00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,640
to show that tapping
had actually been achieved.
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00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,400
The pair are convicted
in January 2007.
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Though the paper's editor,
Andy Coulson,
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says he had no idea
it'd been going on,
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he resigns and moves on to a new job
as director of communications
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for the then opposition leader,
David Cameron.
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I believe in giving people
a second chance.
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In February, the paper's new editor
says an internal investigation found
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it'd been "a rogue exception",
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carried out by a single reporter
in their newsroom.
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The News Of The World
succeeded at that time
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at strapping down a cover-up.
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They were allowed to
get away with claiming,
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00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,560
"Nothing to see here.
One dodgy reporter, that's it."
403
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:05,240
And they very, very nearly
got away with that.
404
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,760
The police didn't act
quickly enough.
405
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,800
I was Deputy Editor
of The News Of The World
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before the hacking era.
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Later on,
again before the hacking era,
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I was Deputy Editor of Daily Mirror
and Editor of the Sunday Mirror.
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People in the industry
weren't buying it,
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00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,960
or at least most of them weren't,
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00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,120
especially anybody
with any tabloid experience.
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But the scandal was about to evolve
beyond celebrity,
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to those caught up in tragedy,
prompting public outrage
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and years of claims, court cases
and compensation.
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I was contacted
by a complete stranger
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who was in a position
to know the whole truth
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00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,280
about the phone hacking saga.
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And he sent me an email and said,
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"Here's my mobile phone number,
contact me,
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"but whatever you do,
don't leave a voicemail message."
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00:41:07,420 --> 00:41:09,460
Five years had passed
since the arrests
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at The News Of The World.
Britain had moved on.
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And at the tabloid papers,
it was business as usual.
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But then the story took on
a new dimension,
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centred on Millie Dowler,
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a teenager who'd been murdered
seven years earlier.
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REPORTER:Tonight, it's been alleged
that a private detective
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working for The News Of The World
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00:41:29,540 --> 00:41:31,820
hacked into
the missing girl's mobile phone
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and listened to her messages.
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00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:37,540
I understood that the targeting
of Millie Dower
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was the most powerful story
we had done so far,
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and said so to the editor
when I filed it.
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I didn't foresee the extent
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to which it would make
the whole house of cards collapse.
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00:41:49,940 --> 00:41:53,820
People felt completely outraged
that a couple of journalists
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were tampering
with a live police inquiry
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into the murder of a schoolgirl.
439
00:41:58,500 --> 00:42:00,740
And this went beyond
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anything to do with hacking
into the phone of a celebrity.
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This was on another scale.
Something had to be done.
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00:42:11,540 --> 00:42:16,940
Politicians don't want to alienate
the press, they never have.
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00:42:16,980 --> 00:42:19,300
But if the public feel that way,
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00:42:19,340 --> 00:42:21,580
then the politicians
can't ignore it.
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00:42:21,620 --> 00:42:26,860
And the politicians didn't.
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00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:29,780
Just days after the story broke,
the prime minister, David Cameron,
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00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:33,380
announced a two-part public inquiry
into the scandal.
448
00:42:33,420 --> 00:42:36,940
These are the questions
that need answering.
449
00:42:36,980 --> 00:42:39,860
Why did the first police
investigation fail so abysmally?
450
00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:44,500
What exactly was going on
at The News Of The World?
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00:42:44,540 --> 00:42:47,420
And what was going on
at other newspapers?
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00:42:47,460 --> 00:42:50,180
That weekend, after 168 years,
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00:42:50,220 --> 00:42:52,900
The News Of The World
closed for good
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00:42:52,940 --> 00:42:57,740
with this sentimental
final front page.
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00:42:58,340 --> 00:43:00,860
But shocking though it was,
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00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:04,260
the hacking of Millie Dowler
wasn't a lone example.
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00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:07,340
It's now thought thousands of people
who weren't famous
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00:43:07,380 --> 00:43:10,820
were potentially targeted
in the same way.
459
00:43:10,860 --> 00:43:12,740
At least four explosions
have rocked Central London
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00:43:12,780 --> 00:43:16,140
in a major coordinated
terrorist attack.
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00:43:16,180 --> 00:43:19,340
Paul Dadge was propelled
onto the front pages
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00:43:19,380 --> 00:43:22,020
when he was photographed
helping the wounded
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00:43:22,060 --> 00:43:27,980
in the aftermath
of the 7/7 London bombings.
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00:43:28,020 --> 00:43:31,260
It's obviously a memory
that's deeply ingrained upon me.
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00:43:31,300 --> 00:43:35,820
More so mentally.
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00:43:35,860 --> 00:43:44,460
But, yeah,
that picture changed my life.
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00:43:44,500 --> 00:43:46,780
I just wanted to help people
on that day.
468
00:43:46,820 --> 00:43:50,540
I can just remember hearing
the shutters of the cameras growing,
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00:43:50,580 --> 00:43:53,740
that click, click, click,
click, click.
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00:43:53,780 --> 00:43:58,900
I was now being held up
as this heroic poster boy,
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00:43:58,940 --> 00:44:04,260
when in effect, for me,
people had died underground.
472
00:44:04,300 --> 00:44:14,300
And I found that very difficult
to deal with.
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00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:20,780
For the media,
that photo teased a mystery
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00:44:20,820 --> 00:44:23,580
they couldn't wait to reveal.
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00:44:23,620 --> 00:44:25,620
Do you know if she had been
in the blasted train
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00:44:25,660 --> 00:44:27,820
or in the one ahead of you?
477
00:44:27,860 --> 00:44:29,740
I don't know that, no,
I didn't ask her that.
478
00:44:29,780 --> 00:44:31,820
Do you know which hospital she's in?
Don't know that, no.
479
00:44:31,860 --> 00:44:33,740
Hungry for the next scoop,
every journalist wanted to know
480
00:44:33,780 --> 00:44:35,740
the identity of the woman
behind the mask.
481
00:44:35,780 --> 00:44:39,860
By the time I'd left that concourse,
the story had been told
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00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:41,820
to pretty much everybody
who was there.
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And everybody, importantly,
had my mobile number,
484
00:44:45,220 --> 00:44:47,460
cos I just said, "There's my mobile,
you know, if you need anything else,
485
00:44:47,500 --> 00:44:51,700
"let me know and I'll help you out
as much as I can."
486
00:44:51,740 --> 00:44:54,380
Days after the hacking of
Millie Dowler's phone came to light,
487
00:44:54,420 --> 00:44:56,700
police contacted Paul
to let him know
488
00:44:56,740 --> 00:45:01,460
he too had been hacked
by The News Of The World.
489
00:45:01,500 --> 00:45:04,940
I wasn't surprised, because there
was such an enormous pressure
490
00:45:04,980 --> 00:45:07,300
on journalists
to deliver the story of myself
491
00:45:07,340 --> 00:45:09,620
and the person I was pictured with.
492
00:45:09,660 --> 00:45:12,020
And I remember at some point,
I got told by one journalist
493
00:45:12,060 --> 00:45:15,860
that she was gonna lose her job
if she didn't get this story.
494
00:45:15,900 --> 00:45:19,420
And I remember at some point,
I got told by one journalist
495
00:45:19,460 --> 00:45:26,180
that she was gonna lose her job
if she didn't get this story.
496
00:45:26,220 --> 00:45:29,500
He's since received compensation,
497
00:45:29,540 --> 00:45:33,660
and News Group Newspapers expressed
regret for the distress caused.
498
00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:36,860
We weren't celebrities.
This wasn't salacious gossip.
499
00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:42,180
We were just normal people who got
involved in a horrific incident.
500
00:45:42,220 --> 00:45:46,060
When something like that happens,
it makes you feel very vulnerable,
501
00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:50,860
because you've lost control
of the story,
502
00:45:50,900 --> 00:45:55,100
of what you want to tell
and what you don't want to tell.
503
00:45:55,140 --> 00:46:01,100
And that's very, very hard.
It does take its toll on you.
504
00:46:01,140 --> 00:46:09,580
The Leveson Inquiry began
on 14th November 2011.
505
00:46:09,620 --> 00:46:13,140
57 celebrities, politicians
and members of the public
506
00:46:13,180 --> 00:46:15,900
who were victims of press intrusion
gave evidence across its 97 days.
507
00:46:15,940 --> 00:46:20,260
One of them, Christopher Jefferies,
a retired schoolteacher,
508
00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:23,260
a retired schoolteacher,
509
00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:27,860
who found himself
in the centre of a media storm
510
00:46:27,900 --> 00:46:29,820
during a murder investigation.
511
00:46:29,860 --> 00:46:33,220
{\an8}I could barely go out.
512
00:46:33,260 --> 00:46:38,460
{\an8}In effect, I'd become a prisoner
in my own house.
513
00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:43,220
Christopher had been
the landlord of Joanna Yeates,
514
00:46:43,260 --> 00:46:46,340
a young woman whose body
was found in Bristol
515
00:46:46,380 --> 00:46:50,340
on Christmas Day in 2010.
516
00:46:50,380 --> 00:46:54,300
I opened the door, at which point
I was told I was being arrested
517
00:46:54,340 --> 00:46:58,700
on suspicion of the murder
of Jo Yeates.
518
00:46:58,740 --> 00:47:02,940
It is the psychological equivalent,
I think,
519
00:47:02,980 --> 00:47:06,460
of being given a knockout blow.
520
00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:09,260
He spent three days
in police custody.
521
00:47:09,300 --> 00:47:11,900
By the time he was released
without charge,
522
00:47:11,940 --> 00:47:14,540
headlines had
untruthfully painted him
523
00:47:14,580 --> 00:47:18,180
as a snooping,
oversexualised predator,
524
00:47:18,220 --> 00:47:20,700
linking him
to a convicted paedophile
525
00:47:20,740 --> 00:47:25,140
and even
a previously unsolved murder.
526
00:47:25,180 --> 00:47:29,300
The picture that was being painted
in the tabloids,
527
00:47:29,340 --> 00:47:35,100
it was a sensational story, was
something they wanted to exploit.
528
00:47:35,140 --> 00:47:41,100
It was perfectly clear that
in reporting the case as they had,
529
00:47:41,140 --> 00:47:44,580
one of the motives of the newspapers
530
00:47:44,620 --> 00:47:53,500
was to whip up as much public anger
against me as they could.
531
00:47:53,540 --> 00:47:56,860
He was awarded "substantial damages"
and a public apology
532
00:47:56,900 --> 00:48:01,820
from eight newspapers
for more than 40 libellous articles.
533
00:48:01,860 --> 00:48:05,660
But recently, he learnt
534
00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:08,140
some papers may have been using
unlawful tactics against him,
535
00:48:08,180 --> 00:48:10,500
and is now bringing a claim
against News Group Newspapers,
536
00:48:10,540 --> 00:48:13,900
owners of The Sun
and The News Of The World.
537
00:48:13,940 --> 00:48:17,860
The allegation
is that I was subjected
538
00:48:17,900 --> 00:48:20,500
to all sorts of illegality.
539
00:48:20,540 --> 00:48:24,220
But it's further confirmation
that there are almost no depths
540
00:48:24,260 --> 00:48:34,260
to which certain elements
of the media will not stoop.
541
00:48:36,020 --> 00:48:39,140
Whilst the Leveson Inquiry
gave victims of press intrusion
542
00:48:39,180 --> 00:48:42,140
the chance
to share their experience,
543
00:48:42,180 --> 00:48:44,700
most of the 300 people
giving evidence
544
00:48:44,740 --> 00:48:49,660
were insiders from the worlds
of press, politics and the police.
545
00:48:49,700 --> 00:48:51,740
There is a great deal
of official secrecy
546
00:48:51,780 --> 00:48:54,820
around what actually goes on
in the power elite.
547
00:48:54,860 --> 00:48:58,140
And suddenly, there they were,
being forced to talk in public.
548
00:48:58,180 --> 00:49:01,580
Four Prime Ministers, senior civil
servants, senior police officers,
549
00:49:01,620 --> 00:49:05,380
and the most secretive beasts
in the jungle, newspaper editors -
550
00:49:05,420 --> 00:49:11,540
hauled out on oath in public.
"Now, tell us what's been going on."
551
00:49:11,580 --> 00:49:13,620
Those at the helm
of the News Of The World
552
00:49:13,660 --> 00:49:16,340
were quick to make denials.
553
00:49:16,380 --> 00:49:18,580
The witness is Mr Coulson, please.
554
00:49:18,620 --> 00:49:21,740
No, they didn't wield
too much power over politicians.
555
00:49:21,780 --> 00:49:24,300
I'm not sure
I necessarily buy the theory
556
00:49:24,340 --> 00:49:27,580
that a newspaper's endorsement
557
00:49:27,620 --> 00:49:31,740
will influence its readers
directly in that way.
558
00:49:31,780 --> 00:49:34,460
No, they didn't influence
the police.
559
00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:37,300
..the truth, the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth.
560
00:49:37,340 --> 00:49:39,500
I felt that the contact I had
with police officers,
561
00:49:39,540 --> 00:49:42,780
particularly commissioners
and senior police officers,
562
00:49:42,820 --> 00:49:46,020
was always appropriate.
563
00:49:46,060 --> 00:49:48,660
And above all, no, they didn't know
about the industrial-scale hacking
564
00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:52,820
that went on inside the paper.
565
00:49:52,860 --> 00:49:56,060
I think the senior executives
were all misinformed
566
00:49:56,100 --> 00:50:00,660
and shielded from anything
that was going on there.
567
00:50:00,700 --> 00:50:04,100
Someone took charge of a cover-up,
568
00:50:04,140 --> 00:50:09,540
which we were victim to
and I regret.
569
00:50:09,580 --> 00:50:13,740
This inquiry wasn't just about
The News Of The World.
570
00:50:13,780 --> 00:50:15,580
Good morning, Mr Barr.
571
00:50:15,620 --> 00:50:18,420
Good morning, sir.
Our first witness is Mr Hipwell.
572
00:50:18,460 --> 00:50:20,300
Thank you.
573
00:50:20,340 --> 00:50:22,980
I, James Hipwell, do solemnly,
sincerely, and truly declare...
574
00:50:23,020 --> 00:50:26,220
The entire tabloid industry
was under scrutiny.
575
00:50:26,260 --> 00:50:29,020
But just one journalist
was willing to blow the whistle
576
00:50:29,060 --> 00:50:34,900
on unlawful behaviour
at another paper.
577
00:50:34,940 --> 00:50:39,100
James Hipwell was a columnist
at The Daily Mirror.
578
00:50:39,140 --> 00:50:42,580
I was sitting
next to the showbiz journalists,
579
00:50:42,620 --> 00:50:46,180
and I saw phone hacking going on.
580
00:50:46,220 --> 00:50:48,820
From the middle of 1999, I would say
that I saw it happen every day.
581
00:50:48,860 --> 00:50:51,660
There were eight or ten journalists
on the showbusiness desk,
582
00:50:51,700 --> 00:50:55,500
and most of them
were engaged in phone hacking.
583
00:50:55,540 --> 00:50:58,260
Can you tell me,
who was your editor at the time
584
00:50:58,300 --> 00:51:00,580
and did he know
about what was happening?
585
00:51:00,620 --> 00:51:02,620
My editor was Piers Morgan.
586
00:51:02,660 --> 00:51:05,940
He was somewhat obsessive
about celebrity news.
587
00:51:05,980 --> 00:51:10,460
There was no question
that he knew what was going on
588
00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:14,620
because he would ask them, you know,
"Where did this story come from?"
589
00:51:14,660 --> 00:51:17,020
And did you get the impression
590
00:51:17,060 --> 00:51:19,940
that this was just a technique
used by Mirror Group Newspapers?
591
00:51:19,980 --> 00:51:21,860
No.
592
00:51:21,900 --> 00:51:25,580
I mean, on one occasion, I remember
great laughter in the newsroom.
593
00:51:25,620 --> 00:51:28,780
And so I asked what was going on,
and this journalist had...
594
00:51:28,820 --> 00:51:33,180
He'd hacked into the voicemail
of one of the Spice Girls.
595
00:51:33,220 --> 00:51:39,900
And he knew that one
of his opposite numbers on The Sun
596
00:51:39,940 --> 00:51:43,420
was gonna be hacking the same phone
597
00:51:43,460 --> 00:51:46,820
and would've picked up
the same message.
598
00:51:46,860 --> 00:51:48,700
And he didn't want that journalist
to hear the message,
599
00:51:48,740 --> 00:51:51,900
so he just deleted it.
600
00:51:51,940 --> 00:51:54,180
'The Sun deny this.
601
00:51:54,220 --> 00:51:56,260
'James lost his job
on the city column
602
00:51:56,300 --> 00:51:58,660
'after he was caught
insider trading.
603
00:51:58,700 --> 00:52:00,620
'Lawyers for The Mirror papers
at the Leveson Inquiry
604
00:52:00,660 --> 00:52:03,100
'tried, unsuccessfully,
to discredit him,
605
00:52:03,140 --> 00:52:06,900
'suggesting these claims
were his revenge.'
606
00:52:06,940 --> 00:52:09,220
Some might accuse you
of having an axe to grind
607
00:52:09,260 --> 00:52:13,180
because you lost a job
at The Daily Mirror.
608
00:52:13,220 --> 00:52:16,220
That didn't really come into it.
609
00:52:16,260 --> 00:52:19,820
I mean, I see The Mirror now
as a criminal enterprise.
610
00:52:19,860 --> 00:52:22,540
My column was part of that
criminal enterprise. I accept that.
611
00:52:22,580 --> 00:52:28,260
And I know that, you know,
we needed to be reined in.
612
00:52:28,300 --> 00:52:31,100
And it's not often in your life
that you get an opportunity
613
00:52:31,140 --> 00:52:37,100
to look back at what's just happened
614
00:52:37,140 --> 00:52:45,900
and reflect on it
and try to put things right.
615
00:52:45,940 --> 00:52:48,740
But James was a lone voice
616
00:52:48,780 --> 00:52:52,020
amidst a clamour of denials
from Mirror Group bosses...
617
00:52:52,060 --> 00:52:53,900
I swear by the Almighty God
that the evidence I shall give...
618
00:52:53,940 --> 00:52:55,500
..shall be the truth,
the whole truth...
619
00:52:55,540 --> 00:52:57,020
..and nothing but the truth.
620
00:52:57,060 --> 00:52:59,500
Denials that two High Court judges
621
00:52:59,540 --> 00:53:01,700
presiding over civil cases
against the papers
622
00:53:01,740 --> 00:53:04,940
have since found to be untrue.
623
00:53:04,980 --> 00:53:06,780
Is it true that
there was phone hacking going on
624
00:53:06,820 --> 00:53:10,380
amongst the showbusiness team?
625
00:53:10,420 --> 00:53:13,180
Er, no. Not to my knowledge.
626
00:53:13,220 --> 00:53:17,340
JUDGE:'The inaccuracy of this
statement has been established.'
627
00:53:17,380 --> 00:53:19,100
I have seen no evidence to show me
628
00:53:19,140 --> 00:53:22,220
that phone hacking has ever
taken place at Trinity Mirror.
629
00:53:22,260 --> 00:53:24,500
JUDGE:'Ms Bailey knew,
or turned a blind eye to it,
630
00:53:24,540 --> 00:53:29,020
'from about the end of 2006.'
631
00:53:29,060 --> 00:53:31,540
Are you able to help us again
as to whether or not it's true?
632
00:53:31,580 --> 00:53:33,500
I'm afraid I'm not.
633
00:53:33,540 --> 00:53:35,540
JUDGE:'I have already found
that she was involved in it,
634
00:53:35,580 --> 00:53:39,180
'and she clearly
had knowledge of it.'
635
00:53:39,220 --> 00:53:42,900
I have no reason or knowledge
to believe it was going on.
636
00:53:42,940 --> 00:53:44,980
But did you see this sort of thing
going on, Mr Morgan?
637
00:53:45,020 --> 00:53:47,460
No.
638
00:53:47,500 --> 00:53:50,260
You sure about that?
639
00:53:50,300 --> 00:53:53,020
100%.
640
00:53:53,060 --> 00:53:56,020
JUDGE:'There is compelling evidence
that the editors of each newspaper
641
00:53:56,060 --> 00:53:59,260
'knew very well
that voicemail interception
642
00:53:59,300 --> 00:54:02,140
'was being used extensively
and habitually,
643
00:54:02,180 --> 00:54:07,140
'and that they were happy
to take the benefits of it.'
644
00:54:07,180 --> 00:54:09,700
I think the police
need to investigate this
645
00:54:09,740 --> 00:54:12,580
because we could have
a situation where
646
00:54:12,620 --> 00:54:15,260
a number of important witnesses
647
00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:18,340
to a Government-backed,
British taxpayer-funded inquiry
648
00:54:18,380 --> 00:54:27,460
have lied,
and that's just simply unacceptable.
649
00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:30,060
Perhaps the most shocking revelation
650
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:32,420
to come out
of Prince Harry's court action
651
00:54:32,460 --> 00:54:34,260
is that these unlawful tactics
652
00:54:34,300 --> 00:54:40,100
continued during
the Leveson Inquiry.
653
00:54:40,140 --> 00:54:42,580
What is so strange about the fact
654
00:54:42,620 --> 00:54:44,860
that they continued
committing the crime
655
00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:46,580
is that it looks as though
656
00:54:46,620 --> 00:54:48,620
they think that they are
beyond the law. Impunity.
657
00:54:48,660 --> 00:54:51,980
But by then, they know
they're not beyond the law.
658
00:54:52,020 --> 00:54:55,100
The risk level is astonishing.
659
00:54:55,140 --> 00:54:58,580
When the 16-month inquiry
came to an end in 2012,
660
00:54:58,620 --> 00:55:01,860
its key recommendation for
a new, tougher, industry watchdog
661
00:55:01,900 --> 00:55:05,620
was effectively ignored
by the papers,
662
00:55:05,660 --> 00:55:13,500
with concerns over press freedom.
663
00:55:13,540 --> 00:55:16,340
We do have an independent regulator,
664
00:55:16,380 --> 00:55:19,100
but most of the press
are not in any way attached to it.
665
00:55:19,140 --> 00:55:21,900
And the regulator cannot function
666
00:55:21,940 --> 00:55:24,260
if none of the organisations
that it is intended to regulate
667
00:55:24,300 --> 00:55:27,580
actually join it.
668
00:55:27,620 --> 00:55:30,100
Many say the tabloids under
the spotlight had got off lightly.
669
00:55:30,140 --> 00:55:35,060
But then a new case
brought fresh scrutiny.
670
00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:37,660
You know, I went paranoid.
671
00:55:37,700 --> 00:55:45,910
Didn't want...
Didn't want to speak to nobody.
672
00:55:48,070 --> 00:55:54,430
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
673
00:55:56,590 --> 00:55:59,190
Can you describe
what's happening there?
674
00:55:59,230 --> 00:56:01,470
Just straight away
what comes into me mind, you know...
675
00:56:01,510 --> 00:56:03,710
People can take
as much as they want,
676
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:09,510
but the one thing they can't take
away from us is memories like that.
677
00:56:09,550 --> 00:56:12,150
Them times were, like,
the best times in me life.
678
00:56:12,190 --> 00:56:17,150
Until I started getting hacked
and that.
679
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:28,550
For years, many thought
680
00:56:28,590 --> 00:56:33,470
phone hacking only happened
at the News Of The World.
681
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:36,550
The publisher paying out
compensation to its victims,
682
00:56:36,590 --> 00:56:42,230
but each case
was settled out of court.
683
00:56:42,270 --> 00:56:46,510
They are not truly sorry,
only sorry they got caught.
684
00:56:46,550 --> 00:56:50,350
But then another newspaper group
was sucked into the scandal.
685
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:51,550
In 2015, the publisher of The Mirror
686
00:56:51,590 --> 00:56:59,190
became the first to face
a High Court trial in a civil case.
687
00:56:59,230 --> 00:57:01,270
Eight people accused The Mirror
of phone hacking.
688
00:57:01,310 --> 00:57:06,710
One of them was Paul Gascoigne.
689
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:17,870
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
690
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:22,190
In the '90s, Britain was gripped
by "Gazzamania".
691
00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:24,030
Widely regarded
as one of the best footballers
692
00:57:24,070 --> 00:57:28,270
England has ever produced.
693
00:57:28,310 --> 00:57:31,150
Many labelled him a genius.
694
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:32,190
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
695
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:34,550
COMMENTATOR:'Oh, here's Gascoigne.
Gascoigne, he can finish it here!
696
00:57:34,590 --> 00:57:41,390
'Paul Gascoigne! 2-0!'
697
00:57:50,910 --> 00:57:52,390
In England,
it's brilliant becoming famous,
698
00:57:52,430 --> 00:57:53,910
but once you're famous,
699
00:57:53,950 --> 00:57:58,750
they just try and knock you down
as much as they can.
700
00:58:00,670 --> 00:58:02,070
As the '90s came to an end,
701
00:58:02,110 --> 00:58:08,550
injuries and excesses
had taken their toll on his career.
702
00:58:08,590 --> 00:58:11,270
There was divorce...
703
00:58:11,310 --> 00:58:14,630
and struggles with alcohol.
704
00:58:14,670 --> 00:58:18,230
I finished playing football,
started drinking heavy.
705
00:58:18,270 --> 00:58:22,350
I was in a bad way, to be fair.
706
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:25,750
He soon found himself
in the cross-hairs of the tabloids,
707
00:58:25,790 --> 00:58:28,950
whose fascination
with his fall from grace
708
00:58:28,990 --> 00:58:34,910
led to the repeated hacking
of his phone to get stories.
709
00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:39,390
You know, I went paranoid,
so I went out and bought six phones.
710
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:41,830
I just kept on changing numbers.
711
00:58:41,870 --> 00:58:44,470
I thought, "Right, fuck it,
I'm getting hacked again."
712
00:58:44,510 --> 00:58:48,390
So I'll go and buy another mobile
phone and get rid of that one.
713
00:58:48,430 --> 00:58:51,150
And then I got so scared
to fucking speak to someone,
714
00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:55,470
I'd check into a hotel room
and use the hotel phone.
715
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:59,110
And, you know, you think,
"God, when's it gonna stop?"
716
00:58:59,150 --> 00:59:02,310
Yeah, and then I got, just...
I, I become a recluse.
717
00:59:02,350 --> 00:59:09,430
Didn't, didn't wanna speak
to nobody.
718
00:59:10,270 --> 00:59:11,310
With every story published,
719
00:59:11,350 --> 00:59:14,590
his suspicions turned
on those around him.
720
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:19,030
Even those he was closest to.
721
00:59:19,070 --> 00:59:22,430
I was just speaking
to me mam and dad, just them.
722
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:24,470
And the next day,
it had come out in the papers.
723
00:59:24,510 --> 00:59:26,230
So I went mad, I said,
724
00:59:26,270 --> 00:59:28,870
"What the fuck are you
speaking to the papers for?"
725
00:59:28,910 --> 00:59:30,110
They said,
"We haven't spoke to 'em."
726
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:34,670
I says, "You have.
You're the only two I've spoke to."
727
00:59:34,710 --> 00:59:36,470
I loved me mam and dad,
728
00:59:36,510 --> 00:59:41,790
so to think they were... thought
they were hacking us wasn't good.
729
00:59:41,830 --> 00:59:51,270
HE BREATHES SHAKILY
730
00:59:52,510 --> 00:59:55,270
What did headlines like that
do to you?
731
00:59:55,310 --> 00:59:58,150
Oh, it were fucking horrific.
732
00:59:58,190 --> 01:00:00,150
Then eventually, you end up
reading the story and thinking,
733
01:00:00,190 --> 01:00:03,990
"Fucking hell, here we go again."
734
01:00:04,030 --> 01:00:08,830
I don't trust anybody any more,
and it's sad, that, really.
735
01:00:14,430 --> 01:00:16,310
'In Paul Gascoigne's case
against The Mirror Newspapers,
736
01:00:16,350 --> 01:00:19,630
'his legal team
submitted 18 articles about him
737
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:23,110
'published in the early 2000s.
738
01:00:23,150 --> 01:00:24,190
'The newspaper group admitted
739
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:31,310
'all of them were the product
of unlawful information gathering.
740
01:00:31,350 --> 01:00:32,390
'Throughout that time,
741
01:00:32,430 --> 01:00:37,390
'he'd been struggling with addiction
and been treated in rehab.'
742
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:38,470
Do you think that the actions -
743
01:00:38,510 --> 01:00:39,990
the illegal actions -
of the tabloids
744
01:00:40,030 --> 01:00:42,590
exacerbated your alcohol problems?
745
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:44,870
Oh, yeah. Definitely, definitely.
746
01:00:44,910 --> 01:00:46,310
I'd ring me therapist.
747
01:00:46,350 --> 01:00:48,550
I'd say, "Listen,
I feel like I'm gonna have a drink
748
01:00:48,590 --> 01:00:50,870
"because I know
I'm getting hacked again."
749
01:00:50,910 --> 01:00:52,550
And he just said,
"No, Paul, you're just paranoid."
750
01:00:52,590 --> 01:00:55,550
And I'd say, "No, listen,
I know I'm getting fucking hacked."
751
01:00:55,590 --> 01:01:00,870
Said, "I ain't stupid.
It's happening again."
752
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:07,830
'Working for a different newspaper,
the News Of The World,
753
01:01:07,870 --> 01:01:13,590
'Paul McMullan remembers
how Paul Gascoigne was pursued.'
754
01:01:13,630 --> 01:01:17,030
Is there anyone
that you now regret targeting?
755
01:01:17,070 --> 01:01:23,470
Yes, I, er... I do regret
targeting Paul Gascoigne,
756
01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:25,150
because, A, he was a hero of mine.
757
01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:29,150
He was actually
quite a sensitive soul.
758
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:30,870
I remember one particular evening,
759
01:01:30,910 --> 01:01:34,070
he drove up
to visit his dad in Newcastle,
760
01:01:34,110 --> 01:01:36,550
and we turned up with, like,
five paparazzi
761
01:01:36,590 --> 01:01:38,430
sitting outside his dad's house.
762
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:42,630
So he was convinced
that his dad or his wife or his kid
763
01:01:42,670 --> 01:01:48,070
had rung up the papers to get, like,
five grand to tell him where he was.
764
01:01:48,110 --> 01:01:49,390
And so he went
and stayed in a Travelodge
765
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:51,670
on Christmas Day on his own,
and it's like,
766
01:01:51,710 --> 01:01:53,910
"Oh, Gazza, man, it was us.
We're just listening to your phone."
767
01:01:53,950 --> 01:01:56,830
You know, "It's not your dad, it's
not your daughter, it's not your..."
768
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:59,950
I mean, suspicion is terrible.
769
01:01:59,990 --> 01:02:01,590
How do you feel about that now?
770
01:02:01,630 --> 01:02:06,110
Oh, I actually feel terrible,
you know, I've, er...
771
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:10,870
And we kind of destroyed his life.
772
01:02:10,910 --> 01:02:13,070
Er, I'm not saying
we made him an alcoholic,
773
01:02:13,110 --> 01:02:17,230
but sometimes at the screws,
we went too far.
774
01:02:25,070 --> 01:02:26,150
In May 2015,
775
01:02:26,190 --> 01:02:28,990
Paul Gascoigne and the other
claimants' case against the Mirror
776
01:02:29,030 --> 01:02:33,550
would conclude
with emphatic victory.
777
01:02:33,590 --> 01:02:34,590
It was the first time
778
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:37,710
a judge had ordered
a newspaper group to pay damages,
779
01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:44,750
the victims awarded
an unprecedented £1.2 million.
780
01:02:44,790 --> 01:02:48,190
Gascoigne would also settle
separately with The Sun in 2021,
781
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:54,950
without any admission of liability
by the paper.
782
01:03:02,630 --> 01:03:03,750
When I've got a fishing rod
in my hand,
783
01:03:03,790 --> 01:03:06,230
I stop thinking about everything.
784
01:03:06,270 --> 01:03:08,230
I just concentrate on the fish.
785
01:03:08,270 --> 01:03:10,990
It's only till I put the rod away,
786
01:03:11,030 --> 01:03:13,550
and obviously
the problems come back.
787
01:03:13,590 --> 01:03:15,390
That's why I miss football so much
788
01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:18,790
because I think why I was one
of the best players in the world,
789
01:03:18,830 --> 01:03:23,070
that 90 minutes, for me,
was my freedom.
790
01:03:23,110 --> 01:03:26,990
I could do whatever I wanted
for that 90 minutes.
791
01:03:27,030 --> 01:03:32,470
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
792
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:36,630
It is a common thread
that runs throughout -
793
01:03:36,670 --> 01:03:42,150
a legacy of paranoia
and broken relationships.
794
01:03:42,190 --> 01:03:44,070
And none have played out
more publicly, perhaps,
795
01:03:44,110 --> 01:03:48,510
than those affecting Prince Harry.
796
01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:51,150
"Harry's girl to dump him."
797
01:03:51,190 --> 01:03:56,070
Seems as though they knew something
before I even did.
798
01:03:58,070 --> 01:03:59,070
As well as phone-hacking,
799
01:03:59,110 --> 01:04:02,310
Mirror Group Newspapers
commissioned private investigators
800
01:04:02,350 --> 01:04:06,430
to blag the flight information,
credit card details or phone bills
801
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:11,870
of Prince Harry's
then-girlfriend Chelsy Davy.
802
01:04:11,910 --> 01:04:16,350
What sort of feelings does
a headline like that create in you?
803
01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:19,230
It gives you paranoia
and fear and worry, concern,
804
01:04:19,270 --> 01:04:22,110
distrust around
the people around you.
805
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:23,430
Clearly, a headline like that
806
01:04:23,470 --> 01:04:27,710
has absolutely no public interest
whatever, whatsoever.
807
01:04:27,750 --> 01:04:29,190
There's a big difference
808
01:04:29,230 --> 01:04:33,150
between what interests the public
and what is public interest,
809
01:04:33,190 --> 01:04:37,070
so what happens in my private life
between myself and then-girlfriend
810
01:04:37,110 --> 01:04:41,670
is exactly that: between us.
811
01:04:43,390 --> 01:04:44,790
Other victims of hacking
that I've spoken to
812
01:04:44,830 --> 01:04:48,390
have described the paranoia
that it creates.Mm-hm.
813
01:04:48,430 --> 01:04:49,870
Do you identify with that?
814
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:53,390
I think paranoia is a...
It's a very interesting word,
815
01:04:53,430 --> 01:04:57,150
because, yes,
then, it could be paranoia.
816
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:59,270
But then when you're vindicated,
817
01:04:59,310 --> 01:05:01,710
it proves that
you weren't being paranoid.
818
01:05:01,750 --> 01:05:04,310
You know, same with my mother.
819
01:05:04,350 --> 01:05:05,550
You know,
there is evidence to suggest
820
01:05:05,590 --> 01:05:09,710
that she was being hacked
in the mid-'90s.
821
01:05:09,750 --> 01:05:11,430
Probably one of the first people
to be hacked,
822
01:05:11,470 --> 01:05:14,510
and yet still today, the press,
the tabloid press,
823
01:05:14,550 --> 01:05:18,590
very much enjoy painting her
as being paranoid.
824
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:21,910
But she wasn't paranoid.
825
01:05:21,950 --> 01:05:25,750
She was absolutely right
of what was happening to her.
826
01:05:25,790 --> 01:05:30,510
And she's not around today
to find out the truth.
827
01:05:30,550 --> 01:05:32,150
Does your mother motivate you
in this legal fight?
828
01:05:32,190 --> 01:05:33,590
Yeah, yeah, er...
829
01:05:33,630 --> 01:05:37,270
There's all sorts of things
that motivate me.
830
01:05:37,310 --> 01:05:38,550
'While it's never been proven in
court
831
01:05:38,590 --> 01:05:44,510
'that Princess Diana was hacked,
the past remains raw.'
832
01:05:44,550 --> 01:05:46,910
Some will question whether there's
an element of payback here too.
833
01:05:46,950 --> 01:05:51,270
No, I think, I think... I know
that it is clear now to everybody
834
01:05:51,310 --> 01:05:53,950
that the risk of taking on the press
835
01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:59,270
and the risk
of such retaliation from them
836
01:05:59,310 --> 01:06:03,550
by taking these claims forward...
837
01:06:03,590 --> 01:06:07,030
It's clearly not in my interest
to do that.
838
01:06:07,070 --> 01:06:08,550
Look at what has happened
in the last four years
839
01:06:08,590 --> 01:06:10,790
to me, my wife and my family, right?
840
01:06:10,830 --> 01:06:13,070
So that was a very hard decision
for me to make, which is,
841
01:06:13,110 --> 01:06:17,190
how bad is it gonna get?
842
01:06:17,230 --> 01:06:18,270
Some people would say that.
843
01:06:18,310 --> 01:06:20,550
You know, you taking on
these high-profile battles
844
01:06:20,590 --> 01:06:24,510
actually attracts
more attention onto you.
845
01:06:24,550 --> 01:06:27,510
There is more than enough attention
on me and my wife anyway.
846
01:06:27,550 --> 01:06:30,550
There was... They pushed me too far.
847
01:06:30,590 --> 01:06:31,750
It got to a point
848
01:06:31,790 --> 01:06:34,950
where you're damned if you do,
you're damned if you don't.
849
01:06:34,990 --> 01:06:36,470
I don't think
there's anybody else in the world
850
01:06:36,510 --> 01:06:38,310
that is better suited and placed
851
01:06:38,350 --> 01:06:41,470
to be able to see this through
than myself.
852
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:42,550
It's still dangerous.
853
01:06:42,590 --> 01:06:47,430
And all it takes is one lone actor,
one person who reads this stuff,
854
01:06:47,470 --> 01:06:51,670
to act on what they have read...
855
01:06:51,710 --> 01:06:55,430
And whether it's a knife or acid,
whatever it is.
856
01:06:55,470 --> 01:06:57,430
And these are things
that are a genuine concern for me.
857
01:06:57,470 --> 01:07:01,790
It's one of the reasons why I won't
bring my wife back to this country.
858
01:07:01,830 --> 01:07:04,870
Both your father and your
sister-in-law have been unwell.
859
01:07:04,910 --> 01:07:07,710
It's a reminder, I guess,
to all of us that life is precious.
860
01:07:07,750 --> 01:07:12,550
Does it ever just make you think,
861
01:07:12,590 --> 01:07:16,510
"This is not worth it. Life is just
too short for these legal battles"?
862
01:07:16,550 --> 01:07:17,590
Erm, I don't think the legal,
863
01:07:17,630 --> 01:07:21,590
the continuation of these legal
battles is the sort of, I...
864
01:07:21,630 --> 01:07:23,870
The two things
are completely separate.
865
01:07:23,910 --> 01:07:26,070
Erm, you know,
my father and my sister-in-law,
866
01:07:26,110 --> 01:07:29,310
and me, you know, following through
on these legal battles
867
01:07:26,830 --> 01:07:47,940
I felt such a strong connection.
868
01:07:29,350 --> 01:07:34,470
are two completely different things.
869
01:07:34,510 --> 01:07:39,670
The scars run deep,
from the personal to the political,
870
01:07:39,710 --> 01:07:41,190
with claims unlawful tactics
871
01:07:55,420 --> 01:07:58,780
I think the press
had enormous power at that time,
872
01:07:58,820 --> 01:08:01,900
and I think it's a lesson for
all of us that we're in a democracy,
873
01:08:01,940 --> 01:08:06,780
and it's the people, not the press,
that must rule.
874
01:08:10,420 --> 01:08:14,140
In 2007, just as the phone hacking
scandal was starting to emerge,
875
01:08:14,180 --> 01:08:21,220
Gordon Brown became Prime Minister.
876
01:08:21,260 --> 01:08:23,740
At that time, amidst a frenzy
of unlawful information gathering,
877
01:08:23,780 --> 01:08:26,420
it's claimed no-one was safe,
878
01:08:26,460 --> 01:08:30,780
not even
the inhabitant of Number 10.
879
01:08:31,460 --> 01:08:37,220
There seemed to be no limits
to what this group would do.
880
01:08:37,260 --> 01:08:39,740
The intention was obviously
to embarrass,
881
01:08:39,780 --> 01:08:42,580
or even to get rid of me.
882
01:08:42,620 --> 01:08:46,140
Much of it has only become known
to me in the last year or two.
883
01:08:46,180 --> 01:08:47,180
He claims he was targeted
884
01:08:47,220 --> 01:08:52,260
by journalists from Rupert Murdoch's
News Group Newspapers.
885
01:08:52,300 --> 01:08:54,020
My bank account was broken into,
886
01:08:54,060 --> 01:08:56,180
my building society account
was broken into,
887
01:08:56,220 --> 01:09:00,220
my gas bill, my electricity bill,
my telecommunications bill.
888
01:09:00,260 --> 01:09:01,260
I know that they tried
889
01:09:01,300 --> 01:09:03,220
to get information
from the police computer about me.
890
01:09:03,260 --> 01:09:05,660
All these things happened to me
891
01:09:05,700 --> 01:09:09,420
during the period
I was Chancellor and Prime Minister.
892
01:09:09,460 --> 01:09:11,580
He's been accusing the company
since the Leveson Inquiry,
893
01:09:11,620 --> 01:09:15,180
but they strongly deny all of this.
894
01:09:15,220 --> 01:09:17,180
The former Prime Minister
believes he was being spied on
895
01:09:17,220 --> 01:09:22,260
as the country
was facing difficult times.
896
01:09:22,300 --> 01:09:24,620
We still don't know
the extent of the surveillance.
897
01:09:24,660 --> 01:09:27,260
If, of course, when you're
talking about national security,
898
01:09:27,300 --> 01:09:29,980
you're talking about, at that time,
899
01:09:30,020 --> 01:09:33,460
Afghanistan and Iraq
being military exercises,
900
01:09:33,500 --> 01:09:37,700
you're talking also about,
uh, very confidential information
901
01:09:37,740 --> 01:09:39,820
about the state
of the banking industry
902
01:09:39,860 --> 01:09:41,700
during the financial crisis.
903
01:09:41,740 --> 01:09:43,740
If any of that, we find,
was being tapped,
904
01:09:43,780 --> 01:09:46,060
then that would become
a serious national security issue
905
01:09:46,100 --> 01:09:50,620
that has to be further investigated.
906
01:09:50,660 --> 01:09:52,660
We can see calls going into
the mobile phone of Gordon Brown
907
01:09:52,700 --> 01:09:55,940
when he was Chancellor
of the Exchequer and Prime Minister.
908
01:09:55,980 --> 01:09:59,180
The Murdoch Company wants to say,
909
01:09:59,220 --> 01:10:02,660
"Well, these may have been
legitimate calls from journalists."
910
01:10:02,700 --> 01:10:03,740
But just imagine the picture.
911
01:10:03,780 --> 01:10:05,860
You're a journalist there trying
to write a story, and you think,
912
01:10:05,900 --> 01:10:06,940
"Ah, I need to check a fact.
913
01:10:06,980 --> 01:10:11,340
"I know, I'll call
the Prime Minister. He'll tell me!"
914
01:10:11,380 --> 01:10:13,580
While some have been punished
over the years,
915
01:10:13,620 --> 01:10:17,100
many argue that if senior figures
at the tabloids gave the orders,
916
01:10:17,140 --> 01:10:24,420
they have, quite frankly,
got away with it.
917
01:10:24,460 --> 01:10:27,020
There have been multiple
police operations.
918
01:10:27,060 --> 01:10:32,700
REPORTER:'Once, Andy Coulson
was a king amongst the press pack.'
919
01:10:32,740 --> 01:10:34,940
And in 2013, a dramatic trial,
920
01:10:34,980 --> 01:10:36,660
where former Editor
of the News Of The World,
921
01:10:36,700 --> 01:10:39,100
Andy Coulson, was convicted,
922
01:10:39,140 --> 01:10:43,900
and the editor before him,
Rebekah Brooks, was cleared.
923
01:10:43,940 --> 01:10:48,860
I am innocent of the crimes
that I was charged with.
924
01:10:48,900 --> 01:10:50,700
But in total, in a story
with thousands of victims,
925
01:10:50,740 --> 01:10:54,100
just eight journalists
and a single senior news figure
926
01:10:54,140 --> 01:10:59,060
have been convicted.
927
01:10:59,100 --> 01:11:01,620
Anyone with a sense of fair play
would have to conclude
928
01:11:01,660 --> 01:11:05,060
that it's unfair that so few people
929
01:11:05,100 --> 01:11:09,660
appear to have been found guilty
and paid the price
930
01:11:09,700 --> 01:11:17,900
for what was an industry-wide,
or at least tabloid-wide, crime.
931
01:11:17,940 --> 01:11:20,740
I don't hold massive grievances
against the foot soldiers
932
01:11:20,780 --> 01:11:23,260
or these guys who did this stuff.
933
01:11:23,300 --> 01:11:25,180
Not against them.
934
01:11:25,220 --> 01:11:27,780
But I remain bitter
and determined to exact justice
935
01:11:27,820 --> 01:11:34,940
on the executives
who commissioned this stuff.
936
01:11:34,980 --> 01:11:38,580
Some argue that few faced justice
because of a police reluctance
937
01:11:38,620 --> 01:11:43,540
to take on those at the helm
of the powerful newspapers.
938
01:11:43,580 --> 01:11:45,380
The police, to an extent,
the Met in particular,
939
01:11:45,420 --> 01:11:48,500
were, you know, had to be
dragged screaming and shouting
940
01:11:48,540 --> 01:11:51,660
into investigating.
941
01:11:51,700 --> 01:11:53,340
There's a mixture
of police incompetence
942
01:11:53,380 --> 01:11:58,380
and police cosiness
with certain newspapers.
943
01:11:58,420 --> 01:12:05,580
There was almost a mutual
back-scratching relationship.
944
01:12:05,620 --> 01:12:07,420
The relationship
between the press and the police
945
01:12:07,460 --> 01:12:10,980
was due to be scrutinised in the
second part of the Leveson Inquiry.
946
01:12:11,020 --> 01:12:17,580
But it was dropped by
the Conservative Government in 2018.
947
01:12:17,620 --> 01:12:22,260
Michael, not his real name, is
a former undercover police officer.
948
01:12:22,300 --> 01:12:25,100
In the late '90s, he infiltrated
a private investigation firm
949
01:12:25,140 --> 01:12:27,460
to gather evidence
about a different crime,
950
01:12:27,500 --> 01:12:30,140
but soon learnt
about the work the company was doing
951
01:12:30,180 --> 01:12:35,820
for some of the tabloids,
including The News Of The World.
952
01:12:35,860 --> 01:12:38,620
If it earned money,
they would do it.
953
01:12:38,660 --> 01:12:43,220
They were associated with criminals,
corruption, corrupt police officers
954
01:12:43,260 --> 01:12:45,460
to a high level.
955
01:12:45,500 --> 01:12:48,380
They would actually brag, "There's
nothing we can't get hold of.
956
01:12:48,420 --> 01:12:50,820
"We can even get hold
of the Queen's medical records!"
957
01:12:50,860 --> 01:12:54,180
They would mention things
about burglaries.
958
01:12:54,220 --> 01:12:57,500
I was even asked once
if I would do a burglary for them.
959
01:12:57,540 --> 01:13:03,860
And they had tentacles
into everything.
960
01:13:03,900 --> 01:13:06,060
Michael spent
almost a decade undercover,
961
01:13:06,100 --> 01:13:09,460
reporting everything back
to his bosses at The Met.
962
01:13:09,500 --> 01:13:10,740
But even whilst Scotland Yard
963
01:13:10,780 --> 01:13:13,540
was investigating phone hacking
at the News Of The World,
964
01:13:13,580 --> 01:13:14,540
owned by News International,
965
01:13:14,580 --> 01:13:18,620
he says his intelligence
was ignored.
966
01:13:18,660 --> 01:13:21,820
What do you think about the fact
that nothing happened for so long?
967
01:13:21,860 --> 01:13:24,140
My honest opinion
968
01:13:24,180 --> 01:13:28,420
why they tried to tidy it up
and sweep it under the carpet
969
01:13:28,460 --> 01:13:33,620
was because it involved the
Metropolitan Police's reputation.
970
01:13:33,660 --> 01:13:38,740
Senior officers were too close
to News International.
971
01:13:38,780 --> 01:13:40,700
So I think that's what it was.
972
01:13:40,740 --> 01:13:47,540
The Yard covered it up.
973
01:13:47,580 --> 01:13:49,700
Perhaps another reason some
have not been brought to justice
974
01:13:49,740 --> 01:13:55,420
is that potential evidence
has quite simply disappeared.
975
01:13:55,460 --> 01:13:56,940
Yes, it's the unlawful
information gathering,
976
01:13:56,980 --> 01:14:01,700
but the biggest piece to this
is the cover-up.
977
01:14:01,740 --> 01:14:03,260
It's been claimed,
at the height of the scandal,
978
01:14:03,300 --> 01:14:06,940
senior figures at Rupert Murdoch's
News Group Newspapers
979
01:14:06,980 --> 01:14:12,300
tried to conceal wrongdoing.
980
01:14:12,340 --> 01:14:15,020
It was back in 2010, just
a few months before the Met Police
981
01:14:15,060 --> 01:14:20,900
launched its biggest operation yet.
982
01:14:20,940 --> 01:14:24,140
The Murdoch company
destroyed over 30 million emails
983
01:14:24,180 --> 01:14:29,060
during a period of about six months.
984
01:14:29,100 --> 01:14:30,620
People were beginning to sue,
985
01:14:30,660 --> 01:14:33,020
and Sienna Miller in particular
was suing,
986
01:14:33,060 --> 01:14:35,420
and her lawyer had sent a letter
to the Murdoch company saying,
987
01:14:35,460 --> 01:14:38,380
"You must preserve evidence."
988
01:14:38,420 --> 01:14:46,460
They destroyed all of the emails
up to the end of 2004.
989
01:14:46,500 --> 01:14:50,860
News Group Newspapers fiercely deny
deliberately deleting any evidence
990
01:14:50,900 --> 01:14:52,580
and have said
the company was carrying out
991
01:14:52,620 --> 01:14:57,860
a long-scheduled clear-out
of old computer servers.
992
01:14:57,900 --> 01:15:01,220
It's very hard to accept
the Murdoch Company explanation.
993
01:15:01,260 --> 01:15:06,540
I think that because of the timing,
at least, we all are allowed to say,
994
01:15:06,580 --> 01:15:13,060
"Are you sure about that? Because
it really does look suspicious."
995
01:15:13,100 --> 01:15:14,340
Both the Crown Prosecution Service
996
01:15:14,380 --> 01:15:16,100
and the judge
in Rebekah Brooks' trial
997
01:15:16,140 --> 01:15:18,500
found no evidence of wrongdoing.
998
01:15:18,540 --> 01:15:24,100
But Gordon Brown says new
information has since come to light.
999
01:15:24,140 --> 01:15:26,380
It is clear to me that
we were not told the full truth.
1000
01:15:26,420 --> 01:15:30,420
This is a cause
for a criminal investigation,
1001
01:15:30,460 --> 01:15:32,620
and I want the Metropolitan Police
1002
01:15:32,660 --> 01:15:35,700
to reopen their investigations
into what happened.
1003
01:15:35,740 --> 01:15:36,740
The truth is important
1004
01:15:36,780 --> 01:15:41,900
because we are talking about
basic civil liberties.
1005
01:15:43,860 --> 01:15:46,580
Until then, those chasing justice
must pin their hopes
1006
01:15:46,620 --> 01:15:51,500
on getting a damning verdict
through the civil courts.
1007
01:15:51,540 --> 01:15:54,220
Prince Harry and others are due
to take on The Sun next year.
1008
01:15:54,260 --> 01:15:57,540
The paper's publisher
have so far avoided trial
1009
01:15:57,580 --> 01:16:00,860
by offering huge settlements
without accepting liability,
1010
01:16:00,900 --> 01:16:04,540
as they did with Hugh Grant.
1011
01:16:04,580 --> 01:16:05,660
If you're innocent,
1012
01:16:05,700 --> 01:16:09,100
why do you shove so much money
at someone not to go to court?
1013
01:16:09,140 --> 01:16:11,620
He had been determined to take
his case all the way to trial,
1014
01:16:11,660 --> 01:16:14,980
but settled in recent months.
1015
01:16:15,020 --> 01:16:16,060
The rules of civil litigation
1016
01:16:16,100 --> 01:16:19,140
are designed
to prevent cases going to court.
1017
01:16:19,180 --> 01:16:21,340
They want to keep the courts
unclogged,
1018
01:16:21,380 --> 01:16:24,140
and therefore,
if you turn down a big settlement,
1019
01:16:24,180 --> 01:16:26,220
say, "I want my day in court,"
and you go on,
1020
01:16:26,260 --> 01:16:31,100
and the judge finally,
at the end of the trial, says,
1021
01:16:31,140 --> 01:16:33,340
"I find in your favour, Mr Grant,
but I'm giving you this settlement,"
1022
01:16:33,380 --> 01:16:35,780
and if it's one penny
less than that settlement
1023
01:16:35,820 --> 01:16:39,140
that you were offered by the other
side earlier, months earlier,
1024
01:16:39,180 --> 01:16:41,660
you have to pay both sides' costs,
1025
01:16:41,700 --> 01:16:45,100
which, I was advised in this case,
would be about ten million quid.
1026
01:16:45,140 --> 01:16:49,420
And, much as I want these things
to come to light in a trial,
1027
01:16:49,460 --> 01:16:56,900
I shied at that fence,
ten million quid. It's too much.
1028
01:16:56,940 --> 01:16:58,060
Meanwhile, Prince Harry's case -
1029
01:16:58,100 --> 01:17:03,100
accusing The Sun of unlawful
information gathering - continues.
1030
01:17:03,140 --> 01:17:07,660
Are you determined to go all the way
to trial? Whatever the cost?
1031
01:17:07,700 --> 01:17:10,300
Erm, that is the plan.
1032
01:17:10,340 --> 01:17:11,420
If I can get to trial,
1033
01:17:11,460 --> 01:17:15,020
then we're talking
over a decade's worth of evidence,
1034
01:17:15,060 --> 01:17:19,500
most of which has never, ever
been known to the public.
1035
01:17:19,540 --> 01:17:22,340
That's the goal.
1036
01:17:22,380 --> 01:17:24,340
'There are accusations flying
on both sides.
1037
01:17:24,380 --> 01:17:28,060
'Recently, Prince Harry was asked to
explain how some of his own messages
1038
01:17:28,100 --> 01:17:32,460
'were apparently "destroyed" -
a judge ordering him to search
1039
01:17:32,500 --> 01:17:37,380
'for deleted online exchanges
with his biographer.'
1040
01:17:37,420 --> 01:17:39,500
Some will say there have been
multiple criminal investigations.
1041
01:17:39,540 --> 01:17:41,980
There have been convictions.
1042
01:17:42,020 --> 01:17:44,180
Millions of pounds
have been paid out in compensation.
1043
01:17:44,220 --> 01:17:47,540
Some will wonder,
why are you still fighting?
1044
01:17:47,580 --> 01:17:51,980
Because that evidence
needs to come to the surface,
1045
01:17:52,020 --> 01:17:55,700
and then after that, the police
can then make their mind up
1046
01:17:55,740 --> 01:18:00,500
because this country and
the British public deserve better.
1047
01:18:00,540 --> 01:18:02,180
'Prince Harry's mission
stands in stark contrast
1048
01:18:02,220 --> 01:18:03,700
'to his brother's approach.
1049
01:18:03,740 --> 01:18:08,380
'In 2020, Prince William
reportedly settled out of court
1050
01:18:08,420 --> 01:18:10,900
'with News Group Newspapers
1051
01:18:10,940 --> 01:18:15,780
'for what's been described
as "a very large sum of money".'
1052
01:18:15,820 --> 01:18:16,820
To what extent do you think
1053
01:18:16,860 --> 01:18:18,340
that your determination
to fight the tabloids
1054
01:18:18,380 --> 01:18:21,780
destroyed the relationship
with your family?
1055
01:18:21,820 --> 01:18:26,100
I think there's, yeah, I... That's
certainly an essential piece to it.
1056
01:18:26,140 --> 01:18:29,860
But, you know, they, er...
1057
01:18:29,900 --> 01:18:32,420
It's a hard question to answer
1058
01:18:32,460 --> 01:18:34,700
because anything I say
about my family
1059
01:18:34,740 --> 01:18:38,380
results in a torrent of abuse
from the press.
1060
01:18:38,420 --> 01:18:43,540
I've made it very clear that this
is something that needs to be done.
1061
01:18:43,580 --> 01:18:46,100
It would be nice if we,
you know, did it as a family.
1062
01:18:46,140 --> 01:18:49,340
I believe that, again,
from a service standpoint,
1063
01:18:49,380 --> 01:18:51,140
and when you are in a public role,
1064
01:18:51,180 --> 01:18:52,700
that these are the things
that we should be doing
1065
01:18:52,740 --> 01:18:54,380
for the greater good.
1066
01:18:54,420 --> 01:18:58,940
But, you know, I'm doing this,
I'm doing this for my reasons.
1067
01:18:58,980 --> 01:19:00,300
What do you think of their decision
1068
01:19:00,340 --> 01:19:02,340
not to fight
in the way that you have?
1069
01:19:02,380 --> 01:19:04,420
I think everything that's played out
1070
01:19:04,460 --> 01:19:10,060
has shown people
what the truth of the matter is.
1071
01:19:10,100 --> 01:19:13,860
For me, the mission continues,
but it has, it has, yes...
1072
01:19:13,900 --> 01:19:18,340
It's caused, as you say,
part of a rift.
1073
01:19:18,380 --> 01:19:19,780
You said in court documents
that The Queen -
1074
01:19:19,820 --> 01:19:23,940
your granny, as you call her -
supported your claim.
1075
01:19:23,980 --> 01:19:26,660
What do you think she would think
of what you're doing now?
1076
01:19:26,700 --> 01:19:30,060
We had many conversations
before she passed.
1077
01:19:30,100 --> 01:19:33,260
This is very much something
that she supported.
1078
01:19:33,300 --> 01:19:39,220
She knew how much this meant to me,
and she's very much up there going,
1079
01:19:39,260 --> 01:19:43,860
"See this through to the end,"
without question.
1080
01:19:43,900 --> 01:19:45,420
And this is far from over
for the Prince.
1081
01:19:45,460 --> 01:19:49,700
On the horizon is another
civil claim against the publisher
1082
01:19:49,740 --> 01:19:52,500
of The Daily Mail
and The Mail On Sunday,
1083
01:19:52,540 --> 01:19:54,580
accused of hiring
private investigators
1084
01:19:54,620 --> 01:19:57,780
to bug properties, tap landlines,
1085
01:19:57,820 --> 01:20:02,260
and blag private
medical and bank records.
1086
01:20:02,300 --> 01:20:03,420
It's the first time the news group
1087
01:20:03,460 --> 01:20:07,260
has been taken to court
in this scandal.
1088
01:20:07,300 --> 01:20:10,700
The looming case being brought
by Prince Harry and others
1089
01:20:10,740 --> 01:20:14,740
is potentially
the most serious of all.
1090
01:20:14,780 --> 01:20:16,700
The Daily Mail Group
have strenuously denied wrongdoing,
1091
01:20:16,740 --> 01:20:20,740
and none of their journalists
have ever been prosecuted.
1092
01:20:20,780 --> 01:20:26,100
So if, and it's a very big "if",
that one went wrong for The Mail,
1093
01:20:26,140 --> 01:20:33,420
it would be hugely, hugely
embarrassing.
1094
01:20:33,460 --> 01:20:35,820
Alongside Prince Harry
are six other claimants,
1095
01:20:35,860 --> 01:20:39,140
including Baroness Doreen Lawrence,
1096
01:20:39,180 --> 01:20:43,260
whose son Stephen was murdered
in a racist attack in the '90s.
1097
01:20:43,300 --> 01:20:45,580
She praised The Daily Mail
1098
01:20:45,620 --> 01:20:47,860
for supporting
her "struggle for justice"
1099
01:20:47,900 --> 01:20:52,820
with this famous
campaigning front page.
1100
01:20:52,860 --> 01:20:55,780
The Mail presented themselves as the
champions of the Lawrence family,
1101
01:20:55,820 --> 01:20:59,220
and if the court finds
that there is persuasive evidence
1102
01:20:59,260 --> 01:21:05,020
that Doreen Lawrence was targeted
by unlawful means by The Daily Mail,
1103
01:21:05,060 --> 01:21:09,580
that would be an act of such
grotesque dishonesty and hypocrisy
1104
01:21:09,620 --> 01:21:14,220
that it would produce, I think,
national revulsion.
1105
01:21:14,260 --> 01:21:15,460
REPORTER:Good afternoon, Harry.
1106
01:21:15,500 --> 01:21:18,860
What do you hope to change
through this court battle, Harry?
1107
01:21:18,900 --> 01:21:22,940
The repercussions of all this
are a long way from subsiding.
1108
01:21:22,980 --> 01:21:29,980
For Prince Harry and others,
the fight continues.
1109
01:21:30,020 --> 01:21:33,740
When people are damaged, they
don't just shut up shop and go away.
1110
01:21:33,780 --> 01:21:37,020
If people are damaged,
and they feel
1111
01:21:37,060 --> 01:21:40,460
they have the possibility of getting
some kind of satisfaction,
1112
01:21:40,500 --> 01:21:44,140
and particularly if they have
the resources to do so,
1113
01:21:44,180 --> 01:21:49,740
they will go on and they will go on
until they get satisfaction.
1114
01:21:49,780 --> 01:21:55,700
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