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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,599 --> 00:00:09,195 I FIRST HEARD OF THABO BESTER... 2 00:00:09,199 --> 00:00:11,636 IT MUST HAVE BEEN SOME TIME DURING 2011, 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,880 WHEN INITIALLY HIS SORT OF CRIMES CAME TO THE FORE. 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:18,996 SO I WAS ASKED TO COME DOWN AND INTERVIEW HIM. 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,719 I HAD A PRIVATE CAMERA THAT I WAS USING. 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,035 HE WAS QUITE HAPPY TO TALK, AND ENDED UP SPEAKING 7 00:00:26,039 --> 00:00:29,920 FOR PROBABLY JUST UNDER TWO HOURS. 8 00:00:30,679 --> 00:00:33,115 CAN YOU TELL ME THE DETAILS OF THE CASES, 9 00:00:33,119 --> 00:00:35,516 THE TWO RAPES, AND THE RAPE AND MURDER? 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,115 WELL I CAN TELL YOU WHAT HE TOLD ME, BUT... 11 00:00:38,119 --> 00:00:39,996 I read the papers, and I feel like 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,395 they're talking about somebody else, not me. 13 00:00:42,399 --> 00:00:44,840 HE WAS REALLY NOT THE MOST INTERESTING PERSON. 14 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,956 HE REALLY, FOR ME, ONLY EVEN BECAME INTERESTING ONCE HE ESCAPED PRISON 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,755 AND WE REALISED ALL THE SHENANIGANS THAT HE'D BEEN DOING. 16 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,756 Our very own great Houdini. 17 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,916 We don't even know what his real name actually is. 18 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,955 This could never, ever have been pulled off 19 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,920 without the complicity of others within the system. 20 00:01:19,879 --> 00:01:24,996 WHEN THE THABO BESTER CASE BASICALLY EXPLODED IN THE MEDIA, 21 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,676 ALL THESE DETAILS WERE COMING OUT, ALMOST BLOW BY BLOW. 22 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,355 I WAS WATCHING SOCIAL MEDIA, 23 00:01:31,359 --> 00:01:34,476 I WAS WATCHING NORMAL PEOPLE'S RESPONSE TO THIS, 24 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,000 I WAS SEEING HOW PEOPLE KEPT ON SHARING WHATEVER STORY. 25 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,676 FOR ME, THE IMPRESSION THAT I GOT, 26 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:53,396 IT WAS AS IF PEOPLE WERE WATCHING THIS AS ENTERTAINMENT. 27 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:54,795 Hello, true crime lovers. 28 00:01:54,799 --> 00:01:56,756 ♪ Happy birthday ♪ ♪ Dear Tom ♪ 29 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,276 For a dead guy, he was sure living his best life. 30 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,355 Think Tinder Swindler meets the Dating Game Killer 31 00:02:02,359 --> 00:02:03,955 meets Bonnie and Clyde. 32 00:02:03,959 --> 00:02:05,996 Not everyone who has heard about this case 33 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,756 thinks that Thabo is a villain. 34 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,840 Thabo Bester is a genius. 35 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,276 "OH MY WORD. LOOK AT THIS GUY. 36 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,520 WE CANNOT BELIEVE THIS MAN PULLED THIS OFF." 37 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,475 AND AS A REPORTER ON GENDER-BASED VIOLENCE, 38 00:02:21,479 --> 00:02:24,956 I'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH, I'VE INTERVIEWED A LOT OF WOMEN, 39 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,236 I'VE SEEN GENDER-BASED VIOLENCE IN MY COMMUNITY. 40 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,439 I'VE EXPERIENCE IT, YOU KNOW, MYSELF. 41 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,475 I DON'T SIMPLY WORK IN MEDIA AND, YOU KNOW, 42 00:02:52,479 --> 00:02:55,315 DON'T THINK ABOUT WHAT WE DO AND HOW WE DO IT, 43 00:02:55,319 --> 00:02:58,960 BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT WHAT ANGLE ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE? 44 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,076 THE MEDIA DOESN'T TELL US WHAT TO THINK. 45 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,919 THE MEDIA TELLS US WHAT TO THINK ABOUT. 46 00:03:06,159 --> 00:03:11,195 WHEN I STARTED TO LOOK UP MORE DETAILS ABOUT THE FACEBOOK RACIST, 47 00:03:11,199 --> 00:03:15,956 I HAD TO LITERALLY SEARCH FOR MORE INFO. 48 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,120 IT WAS LIKE THE RAPES WERE NOT NEWSWORTHY. 49 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,836 A MANHUNT IS UNDER WAY FOR CONVICTED MURDERER 50 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,836 AND A SO-CALLED FACEBOOK RAPIST, THABO BESTER. 51 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,556 BESTER ESCAPED FROM THE... 52 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:32,956 AND ALL I COULD THINK ABOUT WAS THOSE WOMEN, 53 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,639 HIS VICTIMS, ESPECIALLY THE CASES THAT HE WAS FOUND GUILTY OF... 54 00:03:37,479 --> 00:03:40,676 I IMAGINED THEM GOING THROUGH THAT TRAUMA AGAIN, 55 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,435 BECAUSE HE'S NOW FRONT AND CENTRE. 56 00:03:42,439 --> 00:03:45,956 Will the real Thabo Bester please stand up? 57 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,520 HIS FACE IS NOW EVERYWHERE. HOW SCARED MUST THEY HAVE BEEN? 58 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,076 FOR A LOT OF VICTIMS, IT GIVES THEM SOME PEACE OF MIND, 59 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,195 TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, THAT HE'S GONNA PAY FOR HIS CRIMES, 60 00:03:58,199 --> 00:04:04,035 THAT HE'S LOCKED UP, AND THEN TO FIND OUT, IN A WAVE OF MEDIA STORIES, 61 00:04:04,039 --> 00:04:07,719 THAT NO, THIS PERSON IS NO LONGER BEHIND BARS. 62 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:18,556 I THINK WHAT WE'RE FORGETTING IN ALL OF THIS IS THAT HE MURDERED SOMEONE. 63 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,796 IN THIS INVESTIGATION, I FELT THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT 64 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:32,676 TO AT LEAST TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT BESTER WAS THINKING, 65 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,996 AND THAT MADE ME LOOK A BIT CLOSER INTO HIS UPBRINGING 66 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,075 AND IT SORT OF PAINTED A PICTURE 67 00:04:40,079 --> 00:04:45,356 WHICH MIGHT EXPLAIN WHY HE DECIDED TO TURN TO A LIFE OF CRIME. 68 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,676 OBVIOUSLY, IT DOESN'T EXCUSE WHAT HE DID, 69 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,515 BUT IT DID HELP GIVE ME A BIT OF A BETTER IDEA 70 00:04:52,519 --> 00:04:55,639 OF WHY HE DECIDED TO TURN TO CRIME. 71 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,315 HE WAS BORN ON THE 13TH OF JUNE 1985. 72 00:05:01,319 --> 00:05:06,120 HE WAS NOT BORN IN THE MOST IDEAL CIRCUMSTANCES. 73 00:05:08,319 --> 00:05:11,916 THABO BESTER'S EARLY LIFE AND THE DETAILS SURROUNDING IT 74 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,116 ARE RELATIVELY UNKNOWN, 75 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,959 BUT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SPEAK TO HIS MOTHER, MEISIE MABASO. 76 00:05:23,079 --> 00:05:27,236 SHE TOLD US THAT SHE WAS RAPED WHEN SHE WAS ABOUT 16 YEARS OLD, 77 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,920 AND THAT BESTER WAS A PRODUCT OF THAT RAPE. 78 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:58,879 SO BESTER'S CIRCUMSTANCES FROM THE GET-GO WAS ALREADY QUITE DIFFICULT. 79 00:06:00,639 --> 00:06:02,596 ACCORDING TO HIS MOTHER, 80 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,476 WHEN SHE GAVE BIRTH TO HIM AT 81 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,156 THE CHRIS HANI BARAGWANATH HOSPITAL, 82 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,796 SHE DIDN'T HAVE HER PASS BOOK WITH HER, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, 83 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,476 BESTER'S BIRTH WAS NOT REGISTERED, 84 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,600 AND HE HAD NOT BEEN GIVEN AN ID NUMBER. 85 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,556 MANY PEOPLE THINK THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE 86 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,635 ONLY AFFECTING REFUGEES OR MIGRANTS OR FOREIGNERS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, 87 00:06:25,639 --> 00:06:28,476 BUT IN FACT, THERE'S SEVERAL THOUSANDS OF SOUTH AFRICANS 88 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,556 WHO ARE STRUGGLING TO EVEN GET BIRTH CERTIFICATES OR IDENTITY DOCUMENTS. 89 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:37,755 YOU CANNOT LIVE A MEANINGFUL LIFE IN SOUTH AFRICA WITHOUT DOCUMENTATION. 90 00:06:37,759 --> 00:06:41,755 ALMOST EVERY ENCOUNTER THAT YOU HAVE WITH AN INSTITUTION OR A DEPARTMENT 91 00:06:41,759 --> 00:06:45,676 REQUIRES YOU TO PRODUCE SOME FORM OF IDENTITY DOCUMENTS. 92 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,635 IT CAN FORCE A CHILD INTO A STATE OF ISOLATION 93 00:06:49,639 --> 00:06:52,996 WHERE YOU STRUGGLE TO GRAPPLE WITH YOUR SENSE OF IDENTITY 94 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,356 AND YOUR SENSE OF BELONGING. 95 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,916 SO FOR SOMEONE LIKE THABO BESTER, WHO WAS ESSENTIALLY NO ONE, 96 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,195 HE'S NOT REGISTERED, HE COULD BECOME ANYONE. 97 00:07:02,199 --> 00:07:04,315 Murderer and rapist Thabo Bester 98 00:07:04,319 --> 00:07:06,955 is still keeping authorities on their feet. 99 00:07:06,959 --> 00:07:10,635 Home affairs has said they don't have any record of his birth. 100 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:12,796 During the time when Thabo was born, 101 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,879 there were no Home Affairs. This system was not there. 102 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,875 WHEN MEISIE GOT A JOB, 103 00:07:19,879 --> 00:07:24,519 SHE DECIDED TO LEAVE THE CHILDREN BEHIND WITH HER PARENTS. 104 00:07:30,279 --> 00:07:32,195 HIS GRANNY DIED, AND APPARENTLY KIND OF 105 00:07:32,199 --> 00:07:34,116 REALLY WAS A CAREGIVER FOR HIM. 106 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:35,156 HE'S BEEN LOOKED AFTER BY 107 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:36,236 HIS GRANDFATHER, WHO, 108 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:37,755 ACCORDING TO HIM, WAS A RAGING ALCOHOLIC 109 00:07:37,759 --> 00:07:39,275 WHO DIDN'T EVEN LOOK AFTER HIMSELF, 110 00:07:39,279 --> 00:07:40,395 LET ALONE, YOU KNOW, 111 00:07:40,399 --> 00:07:42,796 A LITTLE KID WHO'S 12, 13 YEARS OLD. 112 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:44,635 DIDN'T MAKE SURE HE GOES TO SCHOOL. 113 00:07:44,639 --> 00:07:47,075 AND ESSENTIALLY, SORT OF, JUST.. HE DROPPED OUT OF SCHOOL. 114 00:07:47,079 --> 00:07:49,275 AND THEN NEEDED MONEY, SO HE STARTED TO HUSTLE, 115 00:07:49,279 --> 00:07:52,875 AND HE SAW THAT IF HE WAS HITCHHIKING IN HIS SCHOOL UNIFORM, YOU KNOW, 116 00:07:52,879 --> 00:07:54,395 HE COULD SPIN A STORY TO WHOEVER STOPPED, 117 00:07:54,399 --> 00:07:57,356 AND THEY WOULD GIVE HIM R5 OR WHATEVER MONEY THAT, YOU KNOW... 118 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,236 AND HE REALISED, "OKAY, HANG ON A MINUTE. 119 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,356 I CAN USE THIS AS A WAY OF GENERATING AN INCOME." 120 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,755 AND REALLY, THAT.. HIS CONNING THEREFORE STARTED WHEN HE WAS, 121 00:08:04,759 --> 00:08:06,835 YOU KNOW, IN HIS EARLY, EARLY, EARLY TEENS. 122 00:08:06,839 --> 00:08:08,875 HE WOULD WALK AROUND 123 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:13,319 AND HE WOULD ASK THE RESIDENTS THERE FOR MONEY. 124 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,395 HE SAID THAT HE, AS A CHILD, HAD GONE TO SANDTON 125 00:08:17,399 --> 00:08:20,916 AND HAD BEEN AMAZED AT ALL THESE FANCY HOUSES AND FANCY CARS, 126 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,236 AND PEOPLE IN THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY LIVING THIS HIGH LIFE, 127 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,600 AND HE WANTS THAT FOR HIMSELF ONE DAY. 128 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:31,596 AT SOME POINT IN TIME, MEISIE WANTED HER CHILDREN TO LIVE WITH HER AGAIN, 129 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,836 BUT BESTER TOLD HER THAT HE HATED SHACKS, 130 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,039 AND THAT HE WAS NOT GOING TO LIVE IN A SHACK. 131 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,555 IF YOU LOOK AROUND IN SOUTH AFRICA TODAY, 132 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,795 IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE THAT THERE ARE JUST SO MANY BAD APPLES 133 00:08:46,799 --> 00:08:50,476 WHO ARE OUT THERE FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL GAIN. 134 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,555 AT SOME POINT, IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF OUR SOCIETY TO SAY, 135 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:59,155 "WHY ARE WE PRODUCING SO MANY OF THESE EXPLOITATIVE FIGURES?" 136 00:08:59,159 --> 00:09:03,996 IT'S BECAUSE WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY OF SUCH HARSH CONDITIONS OF DEPRIVATION 137 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:09,035 EXISTING AT THE SAME TIME OF SUCH GRAND CONDITIONS OF WEALTH. 138 00:09:09,039 --> 00:09:14,076 AND THAT INEQUALITY IS, I THINK, THE LINK IN THIS CHAIN OF CAUSATION, 139 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,755 WHERE MANY PEOPLE THEN DECIDE, 140 00:09:16,759 --> 00:09:20,795 "YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS IS A GAME THAT IS STACKED AGAINST ME 141 00:09:20,799 --> 00:09:24,155 THAT I AM GOING TO LEARN TO PERFECT AND MASTER FOR MY BENEFIT, 142 00:09:24,159 --> 00:09:26,720 AND I'll DO WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE IT." 143 00:09:27,639 --> 00:09:31,356 SOME YEARS LATER, MEISIE WENT BACK TO THEIR HOME IN EIKENHOFF 144 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,476 TO GO AND FETCH BESTER, ONLY TO FIND THAT HE WAS NO LONGER THERE, 145 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,159 AND THERE'S THIS GAP IN HIS EXISTENCE... 146 00:09:40,639 --> 00:09:44,795 UP UNTIL 2004 WHEN MEISIE WAS CALLED 147 00:09:44,799 --> 00:09:47,116 TO COLLECT BESTER FROM PRISON. 148 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:51,799 AND FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND, HE HAD BEEN ARRESTED FOR PETTY CRIMES. 149 00:09:58,039 --> 00:10:01,436 LOOK AT THABO BESTER'S PERSONALITY PROFILE, 150 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,716 AND IN MY CLINICAL OBSERVATION FROM A DISTANCE, 151 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,635 IT GIVES ME A PERSONALITY PROFILE 152 00:10:06,639 --> 00:10:09,879 OF SOMEONE WITH ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITY DISORDER. 153 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:16,476 A DISORDER OF SOMEONE WHO HAS NO REGARD FOR WRONGFULNESS, 154 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,316 NO APPRECIATION FOR ACCOUNTABILITY, IMPULSIVITY, 155 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,356 I GET THE SENSE THAT THERE WAS NO PARENTAL MOTHER-SON RELATIONSHIP 156 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,039 THAT WAS HEALTHY. 157 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,956 MEISIE IS DEFINITELY IN EMOTIONAL AGONY 158 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,515 FOLLOWING EVERYTHING THAT HAS HAPPENED WITH THABO BESTER. 159 00:10:51,519 --> 00:10:56,076 IT'S QUITE EVIDENT THAT HER SPEECH IS SOMEWHAT SCATTERED 160 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,236 AND THAT HER THOUGHTS ARE A BIT DISPLACED. 161 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,679 ACCORDING TO HER, THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE STROKE THAT SHE SUFFERED. 162 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:09,799 AND SHE RELIES ON A R350 SOCIAL GRANT. 163 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:19,480 MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVE ALSO GROWN UP IN SOME VERY DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCES... 164 00:11:20,279 --> 00:11:25,080 BUT THEY DIDN'T TURN OUT TO BECOME RAPISTS AND MURDERERS. 165 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,675 I THINK SOME ARE BORN BAD, 166 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,836 AND SOME ARE PERHAPS BORN BAD BUT THEIR GOOD CIRCUMSTANCES 167 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:33,436 MIGHT TEMPER THEIR BEHAVIOUR. 168 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,596 ANOTHER ONE, YOU KNOW, 169 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,675 GOOD CIRCUMSTANCES OR BAD CIRCUMSTANCES 170 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,155 MIGHT MAKE THEM TO DO THINGS OUT OF DESPERATION. 171 00:11:40,159 --> 00:11:42,755 WE'VE SEEN THAT. YOU KNOW, CORPORATE THIEVES 172 00:11:42,759 --> 00:11:44,476 WHO GREW UP WITH A SILVER SPOON IN THEIR MOUTH 173 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,116 END IP STEALING MILLIONS AND BILLIONS. 174 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,996 THABO COMES ACROSS AS AN AGGRESSIVE PERSON 175 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:55,395 WHO FEELS THE NEED THAT THE WORLD OWES HIM SOMETHING. 176 00:11:55,399 --> 00:12:01,275 SO THE MINUTE THAT HE DISCOVERED HIS ABILITY TO FEND FOR SELF, 177 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:03,996 IT DIDN'T MATTER, "HOW AM I GOING TO DO THAT?" 178 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,675 ♪ Happy birthday ♪ ♪ Dear Tom ♪ 179 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,076 YOU CAN SEE IT FROM A DISTANCE. 180 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:14,515 HE USES THE TOOL TO CHARM PEOPLE TO GET AWAY WITH THINGS. 181 00:12:14,519 --> 00:12:16,476 IF I LOOK WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE ENTIRETY 182 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,795 OF HIS BEHAVIOUR, HE JUST REALLY SEEMS TO BE SOMEONE 183 00:12:18,799 --> 00:12:21,196 WHO DOESN'T REALLY HAVE EMPATHY FOR OTHERS, 184 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,515 DOESN'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF HIS BEHAVIOUR, 185 00:12:24,519 --> 00:12:25,836 CLEARLY DOESN'T LEARN FROM HIS MISTAKES, 186 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,915 'CAUSE HE HAD BEEN ARRESTED A FEW TIMES, YOU KNOW, 187 00:12:28,919 --> 00:12:31,076 DIVERTED FROM PRISON, THEN IN PRISON. 188 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,356 AND NOTHING CHANGED HIS BEHAVIOUR, IT DIDN'T THWART HIM 189 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,795 OR PUT HIM ON A BETTER PATH. 190 00:12:35,799 --> 00:12:39,559 SO THAT KINDA PERSONALITY THAT HE WILL CONTINUE IN THIS FASHION. 191 00:12:47,919 --> 00:12:51,555 IN THABO BESTER'S MODUS OPERANDI, 192 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,476 WE KNOW HE HAD TO BE THE MAIN MAN. 193 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,436 There's a guy named Thabo Bester. 194 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,196 He was known as the Facebook Rapist. 195 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,716 And I can't tell you how legit this oke seemed. 196 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,635 Thabo Bester was a charismatic, 197 00:13:02,639 --> 00:13:04,875 well-dressed and well-spoken man, 198 00:13:04,879 --> 00:13:07,356 who also happened to be a bombastic scammer. 199 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:08,915 He was talking about big salaries. 200 00:13:08,919 --> 00:13:13,836 HE USES BIG BRANDS AND BIG NAMES TO KINDA LURE PEOPLE IN. 201 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,236 It sounded so exciting. 202 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,275 I thought something really positive was about to happen in my life. 203 00:13:18,279 --> 00:13:21,515 HE NEEDED LAPTOPS, EQUIPMENT, MODELS. 204 00:13:21,519 --> 00:13:24,720 My sister, who's the smart one, she really smelled a rat. 205 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:32,436 HE CAME TO ME SAYING HE'S FROM DSTV. 206 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,116 DSTV BY THEN, JA. 207 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:38,555 JOHNNY AND I WERE THINKING OF BEING THE BIGGEST PRODUCERS, 208 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,996 HOLLYWOOD AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 209 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,196 IT WAS AT THAT TIME I GOT A CALL FROM A GUY SAYING, 210 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,275 "LISTEN, I FOUND YOUR COMPANY ON THE INTERNET." 211 00:13:47,279 --> 00:13:52,519 I'M COMING DOWN TO PRETORIA TO SHOOT A PROMO FOR DSTV CHANNEL. 212 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:59,436 "AND I WANT TO HIRE YOUR COMPANY TO COME SHOOT THIS ENTIRE PRODUCTION." 213 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,035 - HM. - I WAS EXCITED, 214 00:14:01,039 --> 00:14:02,515 BECAUSE THIS WAS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY. 215 00:14:02,519 --> 00:14:03,675 WE'D JUST REGISTERED THE COMPANY, 216 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,116 AND THIS IS THE THING THAT YOU WANTED TO DO. 217 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,915 AND I HAD A MEETING WITH THE GUY. 218 00:14:08,919 --> 00:14:11,716 AND AFTER OUR MEETING, I IMMEDIATELY CALLED JOHNNY AND SAID, 219 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:16,596 "HEY, JOHNNY, WE HAVE A GIG, AND THIS GIG NEEDS ABOUT 20 MODELS. 220 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,155 THESE MODELS NEED TO BRING THEIR OWN LAPTOPS AS WELL. 221 00:14:20,159 --> 00:14:22,875 IS THERE A WAY YOU CAN HELP THIS PRODUCTION HAPPEN?" 222 00:14:22,879 --> 00:14:24,476 I GET EXCITED. 223 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,436 THEN THE SHOOT HAPPENED, I THINK, THE FOLLOWING DAY, RIGHT? 224 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:28,755 - MM. MM. - JA. 225 00:14:28,759 --> 00:14:30,196 WAS IT ON A WEDNESDAY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 226 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,635 - JA. - I MANAGED TO ORGANISE, YOU KNOW, 227 00:14:32,639 --> 00:14:36,675 THOSE 20 MODELS, AND THEN THEY SHOULD BRING THEIR LAPTOPS. 228 00:14:36,679 --> 00:14:40,956 MOST GIRLS, THEY NEVER HAD.. THEY HAD TOP BORROW LAPTOPS. 229 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:45,515 I CALLED A FRIEND OF OURS WHO HAD TO GIVE US A CAMERA. 230 00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:49,476 WE DIDN'T JUST BOUGHT, WITHIN A MONTH, LIKE, NEW CAMERA. 231 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:53,476 SO THERE WE ARE, WE MET AT A B&B. 232 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:58,635 THEN BEAUTIFUL MODELS CAME THERE, WE GAVE THEM THE WOW SITUATION. 233 00:14:58,639 --> 00:15:01,200 I GOT TO MEET THABO THERE. 234 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,035 WE KNEW HIM AS THOMAS THABO BESTER. 235 00:15:05,039 --> 00:15:07,635 LOOK, THIS GUY, THE WAY HE DRESSES, 236 00:15:07,639 --> 00:15:10,116 THE WAY HE CARRIES HIMSELF AND SPEAKS, 237 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,596 YOU WOULD BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT HE SAYS. 238 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,275 JA, 'CAUSE I REMEMBER, HE WAS WEARING THE WHITE SHIRT 239 00:15:16,279 --> 00:15:19,275 AND THE WAISTCOAT. JA. 240 00:15:19,279 --> 00:15:21,795 BUT THABO HAD TOLD ME THAT IT'S A DSTV GIG, 241 00:15:21,799 --> 00:15:24,795 AND WHEN I STARTED ASKING HIM QUESTIONS, 242 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:28,116 "OKAY, FINE, DO YOU HAVE A SCRIPT? I NEED TO GO THROUGH THE SCRIPT. 243 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:32,236 "WHAT KIND OF SHOTS DO YOU WANT?" NOW IT'S A KYKNET GIG. 244 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:36,076 HE WAS WORKING PURPOSEFULLY THAT WE DON'T TALK. 245 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,356 HE DID IT SO WELL. 246 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,635 HE WAS GETTING UPSET WITH ME BECAUSE OF ASKING QUESTIONS. 247 00:15:42,639 --> 00:15:45,720 SIMPLE QUESTIONS, LIKE YOU WANT TO MAKE SENSE OF SOMETHING. 248 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:52,956 THABO BESTER SAID BEFORE WE SHOOT, WE NEED TO HAVE LUNCH FIRST. 249 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:54,600 AND THEN... 250 00:15:55,799 --> 00:16:00,755 THEN HE SAYS, "OKAY, EVERYONE, LEAVE YOUR BELONGINGS IN THE CARS, 251 00:16:00,759 --> 00:16:03,875 BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA COME BACK, BUT WE HAVE TO GO HAVE LUNCH AND WHATEVER." 252 00:16:03,879 --> 00:16:08,196 SO JOHNNY SAYS, "MATHABA, LET'S TAKE THE CAMERA WITH." 253 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,875 - HE INSISTED. - I.. YES, THAT'S RIGHT. 254 00:16:10,879 --> 00:16:12,675 I INSISTED ON THAT, 255 00:16:12,679 --> 00:16:17,000 AND THEN THABO HIMSELF, HE SAID, 256 00:16:17,639 --> 00:16:18,996 "I'M NOT INSURING THIS CAMERA... 257 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,316 IT'S NOT INSURED WHILE YOU'RE TAKING IT, YOU KNOW, WITH YOU INSIDE." 258 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,720 . SO I TOOK IT BACK. 259 00:16:27,759 --> 00:16:31,555 AND THEN WE WENT TO SPUR, AND THABO BESTER HIT THE TABLE, 260 00:16:31,559 --> 00:16:33,356 GETTING ALL OUR ATTENTION, AND SAYS, 261 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,635 "ORDER AS MUCH AS YOU WANT. IT'S ON ME." 262 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:39,755 SO, I MEAN, PEOPLE WERE GOING FOR IT. 263 00:16:39,759 --> 00:16:44,436 HE SPOKE TO THE SHUTTLE GUYS, HE WANTED THE KEYS FROM THEM. 264 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:50,196 AND TIME STARTED TICKING AND TICKING AND TICKING. 265 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:00,076 I WAS ALREADY IN THE RADIO AND MEDIA INDUSTRY 266 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,436 FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS. 267 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,916 THERE WAS A FULL-ON PRODUCTION CREW, MAKEUP ARTISTS, 268 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,315 THERE MUST HAVE BEEN ABOUT 30 FINALISTS, BOTH MALE AND FEMALE. 269 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:12,440 AND THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME I SAW THABO BESTER. 270 00:17:13,559 --> 00:17:15,956 AND WE WERE TOLD IT'S ONE MALE AND ONE FEMALE PRESENTER 271 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,115 WHO'S GOING TO GO THROUGH TO THE FINAL ROUND. 272 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,555 YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE PRODUCTION CREW, 273 00:17:20,559 --> 00:17:24,555 THE ADJUDICATION PANEL AND THE JUDGES, IT ALL WAS VERY LEGITIMATE. 274 00:17:24,559 --> 00:17:26,755 WE DIDN'T HAVE VERY MUCH INTERACTION WITH HIM 275 00:17:26,759 --> 00:17:28,916 ON THE FIRST TWO DAYS OF AUDITIONS. 276 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,835 IT WAS ONLY SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, ON THE THIRD ROUND, 277 00:17:31,839 --> 00:17:34,835 WHEN THERE WERE JUST THE FOUR FINALISTS EACH. 278 00:17:34,839 --> 00:17:39,039 AND THAT IS WHEN WE HAD ONE-ON-ONE INTERACTION WITH HIM. 279 00:17:39,839 --> 00:17:43,315 AND HE ASKED TO MEET US AT ABOUT 20:00 THAT EVENING, 280 00:17:43,319 --> 00:17:46,315 AND THAT'S WHEN I FELT A BIT UNCOMFORTABLE. 281 00:17:46,319 --> 00:17:49,236 I THEN CALLED ONE OF THE OTHER FINALISTS, ONE OF THE GIRLS, 282 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,755 AND I ASKED HER IF SHE WOULD RATHER GO TOGETHER, 283 00:17:52,759 --> 00:17:54,515 AND WHEN BOTH OF US ARRIVED, 284 00:17:54,519 --> 00:17:58,319 I THINK HE WAS QUITE TAKEN ABACK TO SEE THAT I WAS NOT ALONE. 285 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:03,920 I THINK HE HAD NO OPTION BUT TO JUST MEET WITH US IN AN OPEN AREA. 286 00:18:04,799 --> 00:18:08,996 HE WAS VERY ORDINARY, NO CLASSIC PRODUCER-TV VIBE, 287 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,476 BUT HIS INSIGHT AND HIS KNOWLEDGE OF THE INDUSTRY, 288 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,396 AND HOW IT OPERATES, WAS ON POINT. 289 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,515 I COULD NOT FAULT HIM FOR RUNNING ANY OF THIS 290 00:18:18,519 --> 00:18:21,599 IN A WAY THAT WOULD HAVE RAISED ANY RED FLAGS. 291 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,075 WE KNOW THAT THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF SERIALS 292 00:18:26,079 --> 00:18:28,196 IN SOUTH AFRICA, RAPISTS, SERIAL MURDERERS, 293 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,156 WILL USE SOME KIND OF A CON STORY TO LURE THEIR VICTIM AWAY, 294 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:32,916 AND THAT'S TYPICALLY AN OFFER OF EMPLOYMENT. 295 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:34,555 HE DID THE EXACT SAME THING HERE, 296 00:18:34,559 --> 00:18:36,716 HE WAS PERHAPS JUST A BIT MORE SOPHISTICATED. 297 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,795 AND ALSO, HIS TARGET MARKET WAS SMARTER. 298 00:18:38,799 --> 00:18:42,115 YOU KNOW, HE WAS SORT OF TARGETING SORT OF THE MODEL GIRLS, 299 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,075 PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE ON THE INTERNET, FACEBOOK, SOCIAL MEDIA, 300 00:18:45,079 --> 00:18:47,755 LOOKING ON SITES FOR JOB OPPORTUNITIES AS MODELS. 301 00:18:47,759 --> 00:18:49,275 WHEREAS YOUR AVERAGE SERIAL RAPIST 302 00:18:49,279 --> 00:18:52,196 WILL LITERALLY WALK AROUND THE STREETS, AROUND A TAXI RANK, 303 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,400 AND WALK UP TO A LADY AND SAY, "ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A JOB?" 304 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,115 WE MET AT A CENTRAL PICKUP POINT. 305 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:04,555 IT WAS MYSELF AND TWO OTHER FEMALE PRESENTERS WHO WERE SELECTED. 306 00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:10,476 WHAT KIND OF, AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, RANG A RED FLAG IN MY MIND 307 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,996 WAS WHERE WERE THE MALE PRESENTERS? 308 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,236 AND WHEN WE ASKED HIM THAT, HE SAID, 309 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,355 OH, NO, HE'S DECIDED TO DROP THE MALE PRESENTERS 310 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,795 AND HE'S JUST GOING WITH TWO FEMALE PRESENTERS THAT HE WOULD CHOOSE. 311 00:19:20,799 --> 00:19:23,075 THAT JUST MADE US FEEL A BIT UNCOMFORTABLE, 312 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:28,755 AND HE WANTED US TO TRAVEL WITH HIM WITH THE CAMERA CREW IN THE MINIVAN 313 00:19:28,759 --> 00:19:31,359 TO THE LOCATION IN RICHARDS BAY. 314 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:34,555 YOU KNOW, WHY ONLY WOMEN? 315 00:19:34,559 --> 00:19:38,555 IF YOUR GOAL IS JUST TO GET LAPTOPS, IT COULD BE MEN. 316 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:42,555 MAYBE HE FELT THAT HE IS ABLE TO MANIPULATE WOMEN BETTER. 317 00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:44,275 IF HE WAS MORE COMFORTABLE MANIPULATING WOMEN, 318 00:19:44,279 --> 00:19:47,956 USE CERTAIN CHARMS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A HETEROSEXUAL MALE, 319 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,920 THOSE CHARMS MIGHT NOT WORK. 320 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,755 AND THEN JOHNNY SAYS TO ME, 321 00:19:54,759 --> 00:19:58,035 "THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN GONE FOR A WHILE NOW." 322 00:19:58,039 --> 00:20:00,115 THREE HOURS BECAME FOUR HOURS. 323 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,835 THE MANAGER CAME TO US AND SAID, "HEY, I NEED MY SPACE. 324 00:20:03,839 --> 00:20:06,156 CAN YOU PAY YOUR BILL AND GO HOME?" 325 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,355 THABO IS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. THE SHUTTLE IS GONE. 326 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,119 THE CAMERA IS GONE. 327 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,476 THE MANAGER OF SPUR CALLED THE POLICE. 328 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:21,275 BACK THEN, I THINK THE BILL WAS ABOUT 15,000 PLUS. 329 00:20:21,279 --> 00:20:25,315 AND THEN EVERYONE LOOKED AT ME AND SAID, 330 00:20:25,319 --> 00:20:28,595 "HEY, SINCE YOU ARE THE THABO BESTER RIGHT HAND MAN, 331 00:20:28,599 --> 00:20:30,555 YOU NEED TO SETTLE THE BILL." 332 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:34,115 THABO BECAME A GHOST, I BECAME, HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, 333 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,795 THABO BESTER, BECAUSE NOW I NEED TO ANSWER FOR THIS MESS THAT IS HERE. 334 00:20:37,799 --> 00:20:41,960 JA. DAMN. THAT'S WHEN THE FRUSTRATION COMES. 335 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,636 ONE OF THE LADIES' FIANCE, WHO WAS WITH US, 336 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,595 FELT A BIT UNCOMFORTABLE AND DIDN'T WANT HER TO TRAVEL ALONE, 337 00:20:49,599 --> 00:20:53,160 AND HE SUGGESTED THAT HE WOULD DRIVE US THERE AND BACK. 338 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:59,476 WHEN WE SAID TO TOM BESTER THAT WE WOULD FOLLOW IN CONVOY, 339 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,156 HE SEEMED VERY IRRITATED AND ANGRY. 340 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,079 AT THAT TIME, WE COULDN'T UNDERSTAND HIS REACTION. 341 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,396 AS WE WERE DRIVING, IT WAS JUST INTUITION. 342 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:15,115 SOMETHING DIDN'T SIT RIGHT WITH ME, AND I DECIDED TO GOOGLE HIS NAME, 343 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,996 AND WHEN I DID THAT, I WAS SHOCKED, 344 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:23,755 BECAUSE I FOUND THAT THERE WERE A FEW CASES OF RAPE AND ABUSE AGAINST HIM. 345 00:21:23,759 --> 00:21:26,755 THAT WAS JUST HARROWING, AND IT SHOCKED ALL OF US. 346 00:21:26,759 --> 00:21:29,636 AND AT THAT POINT, WE HAD TO MAKE A DECISION. 347 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:34,436 DO WE JUST TURN AROUND AND LEAVE, OR DO WE FOLLOW HIM? 348 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:38,400 I CALLED THE BED AND BREAKFAST THAT HE WAS AT. 349 00:21:39,279 --> 00:21:41,676 THE OWNER SAID TO ME HE HAD JUST UPPED AND LEFT. 350 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:46,396 HE WAS LIVING THERE FOR TWO WEEKS AND HE HADN'T EVEN PAID THEM. 351 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,956 WE THEN FRANTICALLY GOT HOLD OF THE POLICE, EXPLAINED THE STORY TO THEM, 352 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,956 TRYING TO GET HOLD OF SOMEONE WHO COULD ASSIST US, 353 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,200 ASKING THEM TO INTERCEPT THE VEHICLE EN ROUTE TO RICHARDS BAY. 354 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,755 AS WE GOT INTO RICHARDS BAY, 355 00:21:59,759 --> 00:22:03,996 WE COULD SEE THAT THERE WAS NO SIGN OF ANY POLICE FORCE 356 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,795 THAT WERE THERE TO ASSIST US. 357 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,236 IT WAS A LONG-ASS NIGHT, BECAUSE THE POLICE ARE ASKING US, 358 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,916 "WHO CONNECTED WITH THABO BESTER?" THEN THEY SAID, "IT'S MATHABA." 359 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,515 SO NOW THE POLICE ARE PUTTING PRESSURE ON ME TO SAY, LIKE, 360 00:22:19,519 --> 00:22:23,956 "LOOK, THIS GUY, HE KNOWS. HE'S NOT TELLING YOU THE TRUTH. HE KNOWS." 361 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,196 AND THE WAY THEY'RE PUTTING IT, I FIGURE THAT, 362 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,960 "NO, I THINK HE KNOWS." 363 00:22:30,279 --> 00:22:33,876 I DON'T KNOW WHETHER TOM BESTER WAS TIPPED OFF, 364 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,595 OR WHETHER HE JUST FELT THAT SOMETHING WAS STRANGE, 365 00:22:37,599 --> 00:22:39,436 BECAUSE HE SUDDENLY DISAPPEARED. 366 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,676 THE DETECTIVE WHO WAS THERE TOLD ME SOMETHING VERY INTERESTING, THAT, 367 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:47,035 "LISTEN, THIS IS A FRAUD CASE. THE GUY IS A CON ARTIST. 368 00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:49,996 HE'S A FRAUDSTER. YOU'LL NEVER FIND THIS GUY." 369 00:22:56,839 --> 00:22:58,476 SO I'VE JUST GOTTEN OVER THIS EXPERIENCE 370 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,436 OF BEING IN A CAR CHASE WITH A CRIMINAL, AND A WEEK LATER, 371 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,275 AS I GET TO WORK AT SABC STUDIOS, 372 00:23:05,279 --> 00:23:10,119 I SEE TOM BESTER WALKING OUT OF THE STUDIO AS WELL. 373 00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:16,436 I WAS HORRIFIED, AND I GOT SECURITY TO MAKE ENQUIRIES AS TO WHERE HE WAS. 374 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,720 HE HAD JUST GOTTEN OFF AIR FROM UKHOZI FM. 375 00:23:20,559 --> 00:23:22,835 HE DEFINITELY PUSHES THE BOUNDARIES, 376 00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:25,436 AND I THINK THAT'S WHY HE WAS SUCCESSFUL, 377 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:30,835 HE HAD THE GUTS TO TELL PEOPLE THAT HE WORKED FOR MTV OR THIS OR THAT, 378 00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:33,275 THAT HE JUST WILL TAKE THAT RISK. 379 00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:37,476 AND HE WAS ON AIR PITCHING FOR NEW TALENT. 380 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,436 HE WAS JUST SO BRAZEN, NOT A CARE IN THIS WORLD, 381 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:45,676 THAT HE COULD COME OFF SO CLEARLY JUST A WEEK LATER, 382 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,119 START PLANNING A WHOLE NEW SCAM. 383 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,835 I DID CONTACT THE DURBAN NORTH POLICE STATION 384 00:23:51,839 --> 00:23:56,835 AFTER SEEING HIM AT SABC STUDIOS, AND INFORMED THEM OF HIS WHEREABOUTS, 385 00:23:56,839 --> 00:23:59,956 THAT HE WAS STILL IN DURBAN AND KZN, 386 00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:04,240 AND THEY SHOULD POSSIBLY LOOK INTO TRYING TO APPREHEND HIM. 387 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,956 WELL I'M THE CPF CHAIRPERSON, 388 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,436 THE COMMUNITY POLICE FORUM CHAIRPERSON 389 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,075 FOR DURBAN NORTH AND UMHLANGA. 390 00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:12,275 THE COMMUNITY POLICE FORUM OBVIOUSLY IS THE LINK 391 00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:14,035 BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE POLICE. 392 00:24:14,039 --> 00:24:15,595 IT'S ABOUT FORGING RELATIONSHIPS 393 00:24:15,599 --> 00:24:17,436 AND GETTING THE COMMUNITY TO WORK WITH THE POLICE 394 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,440 AND THE POLICE TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY. 395 00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:28,515 WE WERE NOTIFIED THAT A RAPE HAD OCCURRED. THAT'S A RARE THING. 396 00:24:28,519 --> 00:24:31,916 YOU DON'T HAVE THESE TYPES OF VIOLENT CRIME IN OUR AREA. 397 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,676 IT BECAME A HIGH-PROFILE CASE FAIRLY QUICKLY, 398 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,515 ESPECIALLY WHEN WERE NOTIFIED THAT THE PERSON WAS ROBBED 399 00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:38,480 AND THE SUSPECT WAS ON THE LOOSE. 400 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,555 THE SUNDAY NEWSPAPER HAD AN ARTICLE OF TOM BESTER, 401 00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:47,716 AND THERE WAS HIS FACE ON THE NEWSPAPER 402 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:52,035 SAYING THAT HE HAD RAPED, STRANGLED, AND STABBED HER. 403 00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:54,236 THANKFULLY, SHE SURVIVED THE ORDEAL, 404 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,636 BUT HE HAD MADE OFF WITH HER PERSONAL POSSESSIONS AND HER CAR. 405 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,555 IT ANGERED AND FRUSTRATED ME 406 00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:05,436 THAT IF ONLY, AT THE TIME, THE POLICE HAD TAKEN US MORE SERIOUSLY 407 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,075 WHEN WE REPORTED THIS INCIDENT IN MARCH OF 2011, 408 00:25:09,079 --> 00:25:12,000 A RAPIST AND MURDERER WOULD HAVE BEEN APPREHENDED. 409 00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:18,035 AND WE FOUND HIS FACEBOOK PAGE FAIRLY QUICKLY, 410 00:25:18,039 --> 00:25:20,876 AND STARTED TO SEE THE INTERACTIONS HE WAS HAVING WITH OTHER PEOPLE. 411 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,279 YOU COULD SEE HE WAS SLICK, SUPER SLICK. 412 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,075 Chad Thomas is joining us via Zoom. Chad? 413 00:25:31,079 --> 00:25:32,436 Look, South Africa is in the midst 414 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,035 of a horrific violent crime cycle. 415 00:25:36,039 --> 00:25:39,436 IT WAS VERY INTERESTING, BECAUSE IT WAS THE VERY FIRST 416 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,476 SOCIAL MEDIA CRIME OF MAGNITUDE THAT WAS REPORTED ON. 417 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,755 EVERYBODY WAS INTRIGUED BY THE FACEBOOK RAPIST STORY, 418 00:25:46,759 --> 00:25:48,876 AND FOLLOWED IT INTENSELY. 419 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,315 I DON'T THINK THERE'S A PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR WORTH THEIR SALT 420 00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:54,716 THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW HIGH-PROFILE CASES. 421 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,075 I THINK EVERYBODY HAD A FACEBOOK PROFILE, 422 00:25:58,079 --> 00:26:01,716 AND FACEBOOK WAS THE GO-TO SOCIAL MEDIA IN SOUTH AFRICA. 423 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,075 SO WE ALL CHECKED OUR FACEBOOK RELIGIOUSLY. 424 00:26:04,079 --> 00:26:05,835 IT WAS THE FIRST THING WE DID IN THE MORNING, 425 00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:08,000 IT WAS THE LAST THING WE DID AT NIGHT. 426 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,396 BACK IN THOSE DAYS, WE WERE VERY NAIVE, 427 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,275 WE WERE VERY GREEN WHEN IT CAME TO THE DANGERS OF SOCIAL MEDIA. 428 00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:16,916 NOWADAYS, IN HINDSIGHT, YOU THINK TO YOURSELF, 429 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,515 "BUT SO MUCH FRAUD AND CRIME HAS BEEN PERPETRATED VIA SOCIAL MEDIA." 430 00:26:21,519 --> 00:26:24,720 THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BECOME SECOND NATURE TO US. 431 00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:39,355 MY DAUGHTER PHONED ME AND TOLD ME 432 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,275 SHE HAD A JOB INTERVIEW IN DURBAN. 433 00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:43,115 SHE WAS LIVING IN JOBURG AT THE TIME. 434 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,236 MTV PRESENTER, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. 435 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,876 FANTASTIC OFFER, ONE OF THOSE TOO-GOOD-TO-BE-TRUE OFFERS. 436 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,835 SHE WAS MODELLING FOR "FHM", AND HE HAD CONTACTED HER THROUGH THAT, 437 00:26:55,839 --> 00:27:00,636 AND SHE WENT AND MET HIM AT THE SABC COFFEE SHOP. 438 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,795 HE HAD ALL THE DOCUMENTATION TO PROVE WHO HE WAS. 439 00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:06,476 BUSINESS CARDS, EVERYTHING. 440 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,519 AND IT WAS LEGIT. HE WAS IN THE SABC BUILDING. 441 00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:13,716 AT THE TIME, I WAS LIVING IN DURBAN, 442 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,035 SO IT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO SEE HER. 443 00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:21,916 THEY DROVE DOWN IN HER CAR TO CITY LODGE, AND THEN SHE ARRIVED, 444 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,555 AND SHE COULDN'T SEE ME WHEN SHE GOT TO DURBAN, 445 00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:27,355 BECAUSE SHE HAD TO GO AND HAVE HER HAIR AND MAKEUP 446 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,396 AND ALL THE REST DONE, SO I SAT WAITING FOR HER TO PHONE 447 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,196 TO GO AND JOIN HER. 448 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,400 I GOT A PHONE CALL AND IT SAID I NEEDED TO GET THERE URGENTLY. 449 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,319 AND THEY SAID MY DAUGHTER WAS RAPED. 450 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,755 AT THAT STAGE, I WAS SITTING IN MY PYJAMAS. 451 00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:50,236 I GOT DRESSED QUICKLY, 452 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,515 AND PUT HAZARDS ON AND DROVE ALL THE WAY THROUGH. 453 00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:55,599 IT WAS A HUGE SHOCK. 454 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,795 IT WAS THE LAST THING ON MY MIND, 455 00:27:59,799 --> 00:28:01,680 WHAT I WAS GOING TO BE WALKING INTO. 456 00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:08,240 I DON'T KNOW WHAT I EXPECTED, BUT.. SEEING HER SITTING THERE... 457 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,720 AND THEN I SAW HE HAD TAKEN HER... 458 00:28:14,039 --> 00:28:17,436 HAIR STRAIGHTENER, THE CABLES FROM THE HAIR STRAIGHTENER, 459 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,319 AND USED THOSE TO TIE HER UP. 460 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:23,079 THEN THE POLICE ARRIVED. 461 00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:28,835 AND FROM DURBAN NORTH POLICE STATION THEY WENT DOWN TO ADDINGTON HOSPITAL, 462 00:28:28,839 --> 00:28:30,716 TO THE DISTRICT SURGEON. 463 00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:37,880 THE DISTRICT SURGEON, HE SAT THERE WITH HIS BACK TO HER... 464 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,279 WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS. 465 00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:43,716 I KNOW IT'S A JOB FOR HIM, 466 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:48,555 BUT THE JOB HE'S DOING IS WITH PEOPLE THAT NEED EMPATHY. 467 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:56,279 IN SOUTH AFRICA, AS WOMEN, OUR BODIES ARE CRIME SCENES. 468 00:28:57,079 --> 00:29:02,876 GOING AND REPORTING INCIDENCES, WHETHER OF ABUSE OR RAPE, 469 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,476 IS ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS TO DO. 470 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,396 BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PROVE THIS HAPPENED TO YOU. 471 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,676 THE POLICE GOT A IDENTIKIT FROM MY DAUGHTER, 472 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,400 AND THEY STARTED TRACKING HIM DOWN. 473 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,595 WE HAD BEGIN POLICE INVESTIGATION, AND TO TRY AN TRACK THE CELLPHONE, 474 00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:24,436 TRACK THE TABLET THAT HE'D STOLEN. 475 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,115 AND HE'D TAKEN HER CAR, AS WELL, WHICH WAS QUITE QUICKLY RECOVERED. 476 00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:30,795 AND OBVIOUSLY FINGERPRINTED AND PROCESSED. 477 00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:33,436 HE USED HER CREDIT CARD TO COMMIT FRAUD, 478 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:38,275 AND WE TRACKED HIM VIA CCTV FOOTAGE TO GATEWAY, 479 00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:40,275 AND HIT THE MAXIMUM LIMIT THAT HE COULD. 480 00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:47,476 EVENTUALLY WE LANDED UP WITH ABOUT 15 DIFFERENT ALIASES. 481 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,761 BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE DOING AS MUCH RESEARCH AS WE COULD. 482 00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:54,115 CLEARLY, THABO KNEW HOW TO DISPOSE OF THE CELLPHONES, 483 00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:56,355 HE KNEW HOW TO DISPOSE OF CERTAIN ITEMS. 484 00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:59,035 AND ESSENTIALLY, WE TRACKED HIM BACK TO DURBAN CENTRAL, 485 00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:02,640 A KNOWN PLACE TO DISPOSE OF STOLEN ELECTRONIC GOODS. 486 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,476 AND THEN THE TRAIL WENT COLD. 487 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,355 I BELIEVE SHE WASN'T THE FIRST, SHE DEFINITELY WASN'T THE LAST. 488 00:30:16,359 --> 00:30:19,636 SO GETTING HIM OFF THE STREET WASN'T EVEN A QUESTION, 489 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,279 IT HAD TO HAPPEN, HE HAD TO BE CAUGHT. 490 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,156 AND FOR MY DAUGHTER, FOR MY DAUGHTER MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE. 491 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:33,075 UNFORTUNATELY, IT SOUNDS SELFISH, BUT FOR WHAT HE DID TO HER. 492 00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:35,480 I COULDN'T STOP UNTIL HE HAD BEEN CAUGHT. 493 00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:40,559 I LOST LOTS OF FRIENDS BECAUSE OF IT, BECAUSE I WAS SO DRIVEN. 494 00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:44,599 YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND, I GOT ANGRY. 495 00:30:46,039 --> 00:30:49,359 PEOPLE SAY, "HOW ARE YOU? ARE YOU OKAY?" WHAT DO THEY THINK? 496 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,396 NO. YOU'RE NEVER FINE. 497 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,795 I don't know how many times I gotta talk about this. 498 00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:58,916 I don't know how many times we gotta bring up the list. 499 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,515 Why the hashtag's trend when another one's dead. 500 00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:04,079 When another one's friend didn't make it to the end. 501 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,555 - Justice! - When do we want it? 502 00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:08,876 Now! 503 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,755 WE KNOW THAT GENDER-BASED VIOLENCE DOESN'T ONLY AFFECT 504 00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:17,759 THE VICTIM. THE RIPPLE EFFECT OF THAT FLOWS THROUGH TO THEIR FAMILIES, 505 00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:21,716 IT FLOWS THROUGH THE SOCIETY, AND THE COMMUNITY 506 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,115 THAT THE VICTIM COMES FROM. 507 00:31:24,119 --> 00:31:27,996 SOUTH AFRICAN PATRIARCHY IS FUNDAMENTALLY CONNECTED 508 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,355 TO SOUTH AFRICAN POLITICAL ECONOMY. 509 00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:34,355 AND WHAT I MEAN BY THIS IS THAT THE WAY THAT OUR ECONOMY WAS BUILT, 510 00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:38,595 ON THE BACKS OF CHEAP BLACK LABOUR TOILING IN THE MINES, 511 00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:44,236 AND PRODUCING ENORMOUS WEALTH FOR A WHITE CAPITALIST CLASS. 512 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,196 IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, IT'S A STORY 513 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,396 THAT FUNDAMENTALLY TREATS THE HUMAN BODY AS SOMETHING 514 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,716 THAT IS A MEANS TO AN END, THAT IS DISPENSABLE, 515 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:58,115 THAT IS SOMETHING WITHOUT INTRINSIC INTEGRITY AND WORTH. 516 00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:02,676 AND I THINK IT'S THAT ATTITUDE THAT GETS TRANSPLANTED 517 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,835 INTO THE SOUTH AFRICAN PSYCHE, IN THE SENSE THAT WE THINK OF WOMEN'S BODIES 518 00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:10,436 AS THESE TOOLS FOR INDIVIDUAL SATISFACTION, 519 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,876 INDIVIDUAL GAIN, SOMETHING TO BE EXPLOITED AND DISPENSED WITH. 520 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,755 A LOT OF IT IS UNSETTLING, A LOT OF IT REQUIRES HOLDING UP 521 00:32:18,759 --> 00:32:20,436 A MIRROR TO OURSELVES, AND THINKING DEEPLY 522 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,795 ABOUT THE SOCIETY THAT WE LIVE IN. 523 00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:27,315 AND THE WAYS IN WHICH, IN SOME WAY, ALL OF US ARE COMPLICIT. 524 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,476 WE SET UP A PLAN TO TRAP HIM. 525 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,795 WE DECIDED WE WOULD TRY AND CATFISH HIM VIA FACEBOOK. 526 00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:40,835 SO WE CAME UP WITH A WILD PLAN OF SETTING UP 527 00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:43,956 ONE OF OUR FEMALE DETECTIVES, AND SHE WAS IN. 528 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,075 SHE GAVE US PHOTOGRAPHS OF HERSELF MODELLING, 529 00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:50,876 AND WE MADE CONTACT WITH THABO, OR WITH KELLY. 530 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,359 TOOK THE HOOK FOR A WHILE. 531 00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:57,396 AND THEN WE'D SET UP A PLAN TO MEET HIM IN THE UMHLANGA AREA. 532 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,956 WE HAD A WHOLE PLAN IN PLACE, 533 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,160 UNDERCOVER DETECTIVES, POLICE OFFICERS. 534 00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:04,636 IT WAS A THING OF MOVIES, IT REALLY WAS. 535 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,595 UNFORTUNATELY, HE GOT SPOOKED, AND HE WENT COLD. 536 00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:18,035 IT'S ALWAYS CRITICAL TO GET INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC, 537 00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:20,956 AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, BUT WITHOUT DIVULGING INFORMATION 538 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,996 SURROUNDING THE CASE. FOR ANY CASE. 539 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,640 WE DID A WANTED POSTER WITH HIS MOST RECENT CLEAR PHOTOS THAT WE'D HAD. 540 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,115 ONE OF THE THINGS HE HAD WAS, HE HAD THREE LITTLE LINES CUT 541 00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:34,555 INTO HIS EYEBROW. THAT BECAME A MARKER, 542 00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:37,759 BECAUSE WE NOTICED THAT HE'D HAD THAT PRETTY MUCH ALL THE WAY ALONG. 543 00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:42,555 THE WANTED INFORMATION WAS CRITICAL, BECAUSE THEN PEOPLE WOULD SAY, 544 00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:45,755 "I DON'T KNOW WHO KELLY YOUNG IS, BUT I KNOW WHO THABO BESTER IS." 545 00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:47,515 OR, "I KNOW WHO RUFUS MAHOPO IS." 546 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,115 AND THE CALLS STARTED COMING IN, WITH ALL HIS ALIASES. 547 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,595 QUITE A LOT OF CALLS CAME IN FROM BED AND BREAKFASTS 548 00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:02,515 THAT HAD BEEN SCAMMED. HE JUST STOLE, HE JUST TOOK A TV AND LEFT. 549 00:34:02,519 --> 00:34:04,355 AND THEN WE WERE TRYING TO LINK THOSE CASES. 550 00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:07,716 YOU PRODUCE WHAT YOU CALL A SUPER DOCKET. 551 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,635 SO SOCIAL MEDIA'S A VALUABLE TOOL 552 00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:11,316 WHEN IT COMES TO INVESTIGATING CRIMES. 553 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,276 WE STILL USE IT TO THIS DAY. 554 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:18,235 SO THE FACT THAT IT WAS USED TO GREAT SUCCESS WAY BACK IN 2011 555 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,715 IS TO US A TESTAMENT OF HOW IMPORTANT SOCIAL MEDIA IS. 556 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,436 IN FACT, SOCIAL MEDIA, AT TIMES, 557 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,396 IS EVEN MORE IMPORTANT THAN MAINSTREAM MEDIA. 558 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,195 BECAUSE IT REACHES A LOT OF PEOPLE 559 00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:31,796 WHO MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE INTERESTED IN WATCHING THE NEWS, 560 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,000 LISTENING TO THE NEWS, OR READING A NEWSPAPER. 561 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,276 I THINK THERE'S A MEME THAT'S DONE THE ROUND OVER THE YEARS 562 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,035 OF WHAT THERE WAS PRIOR TO SOCIAL MEDIA, 563 00:34:41,039 --> 00:34:45,356 AND IT SHOWS A PICTURE OF A GROUP OF OLD LADIES ON DIFFERENT BALCONIES, 564 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,276 CHATTING TO ONE ANOTHER, AND WATCHING THE ROAD BELOW THEM, 565 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,715 AND REPORTING TO ONE ANOTHER WHAT'S GOING ON. 566 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,360 AND THAT'S WHAT THESE COMMUNITY-BASED GROUPS ON SOCIAL MEDIA HAVE DONE. 567 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,796 THEY'VE BEEN THE EYES AND THE EARS ON THE GROUND, 568 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,956 AND THEY'VE HELPED TREMENDOUSLY IN BRINGING PERPETRATORS TO JUSTICE, 569 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,000 BUT, MORE IMPORTANTLY, WARNING PEOPLE OF THE DANGERS THAT ARE LURKING. 570 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,035 I REMIND PEOPLE THAT WE CALL CON ARTISTS "CON ARTISTS" 571 00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:15,155 FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT THE "CON" STANDS FOR "CONFIDENCE" 572 00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:18,555 AND "CONVINCING". WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A CON ARTIST, 573 00:35:18,559 --> 00:35:22,555 THAT PERSON KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT TO SAY, WHAT TO DO, 574 00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:25,075 TO KEEP THE SCAM IN MOTION. AND THEN, OF COURSE, 575 00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:30,796 THERE'S THE ADDED COMPLICATION THAT WHEN YOU ARE IN THAT SITUATION, 576 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,155 APART FROM EMBARRASSED, APART FROM BEING VICTIM SHAMED, 577 00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:37,515 YOU HAVE A SENSE THAT PERHAPS THE AUTHORITIES DON'T HAVE CAPACITY 578 00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:40,476 OR RESOURCES TO INVESTIGATE THAT CRIME. 579 00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:52,675 I DIDN'T MEET THE VICTIM, MY VICTIM SUPPORT TEAM DID. 580 00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:55,436 OBVIOUSLY THEY'D SPENT SOME TIME WITH HER CONSOLING HER, 581 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,239 OBVIOUSLY HELPING HER THROUGH THE RAPE KIT. 582 00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:03,876 HE SORT OF CUTS THE CORD TO A BLACKBERRY PHONE, 583 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,195 TIES HER UP, AND IN THAT PROCESS, IT'S SPUR OF THE MOMENT, 584 00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:11,235 ACCORDING TO HIM, HE THEN ENDS UP RAPING HER AND TAKING WHAT HE CAN, 585 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,079 AND LEAVING THE PREMISES. 586 00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:17,876 THE ABILITY TO APPEAR, DISAPPEAR AND REAPPEAR SO QUICKLY 587 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,356 IS ASTOUNDING. HE WAS ON THE MOVE. MADE A POST ON FACEBOOK THAT, 588 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,155 "THIS IS NOT ME, THIS IS A DIFFERENT PERSON DOING THIS. I'M NOT THE ONE. 589 00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:26,515 WILL YOU STOP BOTHERING ME?" 590 00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:28,675 OBVIOUSLY HE WAS TRYING TO CONVINCE EVERYBODY 591 00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:31,996 THAT HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. HE ENJOYED THE CHASE. 592 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,356 I THINK HE GOT OFF ON THAT, VERY MUCH SO. 593 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:35,960 AND THEN MADE THE FAMOUS COMMENT... 594 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,276 I THINK THE HEAT WAS ON TOO MUCH FOR HIM, ALL 'ROUND. 595 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,635 HE WAS STARTING TO FEEL PRESSURE, HE REALLY WAS. 596 00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:47,555 IT WAS THEN HANDED OVER TO THE HAWKS, TO THE SERIOUS VIOLENT CRIMES UNIT. 597 00:36:57,519 --> 00:37:00,715 NOMFUNDO'S STORY DEFINITELY LEAVES A HOLE 598 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,916 IN THE BIG THABO BESTER STORY. 599 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,235 BECAUSE A LOT OF HIS VICTIMS, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE 600 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,195 TO GATHER AN EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND ON WHO THEY ARE 601 00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:12,916 AND THEIR RELATION TO BESTER. 602 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,595 AND WE HAVE TRIED TO FIND OUT A BIT MORE ABOUT NOMFUNDO, 603 00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:18,316 BUT IT'S BEEN QUITE HARD. 604 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,476 WE'VE GONE TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, 605 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:25,115 WHO SAID THAT THEY KNEW HER, BUT A LOT OF THOSE LED NOWHERE. 606 00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:29,476 THERE'S STILL THIS INCREDIBLY SAD STORY SURROUNDING NOMFUNDO. 607 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,756 THABO BESTER'S BIGGEST VICTIM WE KNOW THE LEAST ABOUT, 608 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,756 AND TO ME THAT IS AN INJUSTICE. 609 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,595 ON THE 6TH OF OCTOBER, 2011, 610 00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:49,956 POLICE IN ALBERTON ARRESTED THABO BESTER. 611 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,035 HE WAS CORNERED BY THE POLICE ON A FREEWAY, I THINK. 612 00:37:57,039 --> 00:37:58,996 TOLL ROAD, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 613 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,476 LOCAL POLICE, WHERE HE WAS, CAPTURED HIM 614 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,436 AS JUST A GENERAL CRIMINAL. ALMOST LIKE HE MADE A BLUNDER. 615 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:06,635 ONE TOO MANY BLUNDERS. 616 00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:10,316 IT'S KIND OF IRONIC THAT THERE WAS SO MUCH ENERGY 617 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,115 BEING INVESTED INTO THIS, 618 00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:16,715 AND THEN HE GETS ARRESTED BY CHANCE. 619 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,235 BUT YOU OFTEN FIND THAT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, WHEN A CRIMINAL GETS CAUGHT 620 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,515 BY, ALMOST, STEPPING ON THEIR OWN TOES. 621 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,515 I THINK ANYBODY THAT'S INVOLVED 622 00:38:26,519 --> 00:38:30,155 IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT SPACE, BE IT PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SECTOR, 623 00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:32,476 IS HAPPY WHEN SOMEBODY'S BROUGHT TO JUSTICE. 624 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,195 AND I THINK, NOT ONLY AS SOMEBODY WHO WAS VERY ENGAGED 625 00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:40,559 WITH SOCIAL MEDIA, AND AM STILL VERY ENGAGED WITH SOCIAL MEDIA... 626 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,555 IT WAS A RELIEF TO SEE THAT THERE WAS SOME WAY TO TRACK DOWN PERPETRATORS 627 00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:47,316 OF HEINOUS CRIMES. 628 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,195 SO IT IS SADLY ALMOST NOT SURPRISING 629 00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:54,796 THAT WHEN THABO BESTER WAS ARRESTED, HE WAS FOUND IN POSSESSION 630 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,155 OF ALL THESE UN-RICA'D SIM CARDS, 631 00:38:57,159 --> 00:39:01,316 DRIVER'S LICENSES, ID DOCUMENTS. 632 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,115 WHAT IT DOES SHOW, IS THAT THE ONLY WAY SUCH A PERSON COULD HAVE ACCESS 633 00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:09,796 TO A BANK ACCOUNT IS IF THEY HELD IT UNDER A FRAUDULENT IDENTITY, 634 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,195 OR IF THEY USED THE BANK ACCOUNT OF ANOTHER PERSON. 635 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,436 SO I INTERVIEWED HIM IN THE SERIOUS AND VIOLENT CRIME UNIT, 636 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,276 AND IT WAS JUST A DETECTIVE'S OFFICE. 637 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,235 THERE IS AN ELEMENT OF TRYING TO UNDERSTAND 638 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,996 WHAT THE OFFENDER WAS THINKING, WHAT'S THEIR MOTIVE. 639 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,356 WHAT MIGHT BE THEIR TYPE OF PERSONALITY. 640 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,115 BUT YOU DON'T SORT OF.. GO ALL PSYCHIC, IF I CAN PUT IT THAT WAY. 641 00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:35,476 YOU KNOW, YOU'RE REALLY WORKING WITH THE BEHAVIOUR 642 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,476 THE PERSON'S LEFT BEHIND. ON A MURDER SCENE, OF COURSE, 643 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,276 THE BODY AND THE GENERAL CRIME SCENE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT 644 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,035 THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. YOU KNOW, AUGMENTED BY THE AUTOPSY REPORT, 645 00:39:44,039 --> 00:39:45,956 AND ANY OTHER FINDINGS AROUND THE TIME. 646 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,996 IT WAS VERY CLEAR, THOUGH, THAT HE WAS TRYING TO PRESENT THINGS 647 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,555 IN A WAY THAT HE WANTS SYMPATHY. 648 00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:56,195 SO, WITH THE FIRST RAPE THAT WE ARE AWARE OFF, HE CLAIMS IN A NUTSHELL 649 00:39:56,199 --> 00:39:59,956 THAT STARTED OF AS AN ATTEMPT TO STEAL STUFF FROM THIS LADY. 650 00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:02,836 HE THEN TOOK HER DOWN TO DURBAN AND HE SAYS THAT IT WAS ONLY IN 651 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:07,396 THE SORT OF MOMENT AS HE SAW HER TIED UP, AND HER DRESS SORT OF LIFTED UP 652 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,235 THAT HE COULD SEE HER UNDERWEAR, THAT HE THEN THOUGHT 653 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,119 ABOUT ACTUALLY RAPING HER. 654 00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:19,360 AS A MAN, HE FELT ENTITLED TO HAVE SEX WITH HER... 655 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:26,075 "BECAUSE I CAN." AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY, 656 00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:32,079 WHERE.. SOME MEN SEE WOMEN AS SEXUAL OBJECTS. 657 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,519 A MEANS TO AN END. SHE CAN FULFIL A NEED. 658 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,876 SO WE JUST GOT THE NEWS THAT NOMFUNDO'S FAMILY'S DECIDED 659 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,235 - NOT TO SPEAK TO US. - MM-HM. 660 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,235 HAVE YOU FOUND IN YOUR WORK ON GBV REPORTING 661 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,400 THAT SOMETIMES FAMILIES DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT IT? 662 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,000 THAT IS ACTUALLY THE HARDEST PART OF THIS JOB. 663 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:03,595 AS JOURNALISTS, AS FILMMAKERS, AS STORYTELLERS, 664 00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:07,316 WE WANT TO GET AS CLOSE TO THE STORY AS POSSIBLE. 665 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:13,235 BUT I'VE LEARNED IN MY CAREER, WHEN YOU DO GET THE FAMILY TO SAY YES, 666 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:18,115 IT TAKES INCREDIBLE STRENGTH AND BRAVERY FROM THEIR SIDE. 667 00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:22,396 BECAUSE ONCE THEY TAKE THAT HOT SEAT, YOU ARE TAKING THEM RIGHT BACK 668 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,595 TO THAT MOMENT OF TRAUMA, 669 00:41:24,599 --> 00:41:28,635 AND THEY ARE RELIVING EVERYTHING AS IF IT'S HAPPENING NOW. 670 00:41:28,639 --> 00:41:32,075 SO I AM BY NO MEANS SURPRISED 671 00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:35,000 THAT THE FAMILY DECLINED TO BE INTERVIEWED. 672 00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:39,836 BECAUSE FOR A LOT OF FAMILIES THERE'S NEVER CLOSURE. 673 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,876 THE WAY SHE DIED IS UNACCEPTABLY BRUTAL. 674 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:49,075 WHAT HE TOOK FROM THEM, I DON'T THINK THEY CAN EVEN PUT IT INTO WORDS. 675 00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:52,316 SO, YES, IT IS INCREDIBLY HARD. 676 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,476 IT WOULD'VE BEEN WONDERFUL TO GET TO KNOW NOMFUNDO 677 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,320 THROUGH THE EYES OF HER FAMILY. 678 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,316 I LOOK AT THAT SMILING PHOTO OF HERS, 679 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,079 AND FOR SOME REASON I WONDER WHAT HER LAUGHTER SOUNDED LIKE. 680 00:42:07,519 --> 00:42:10,916 I REALLY WISH WE COULD'VE HAD HER FAMILY ON CAMERA, 681 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,595 BUT THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHAT I WANT, THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHAT WE WANT, 682 00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:19,035 IT'S NOT EVEN WHAT YOU AS THE VIEWER WANT. 683 00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:24,519 IT'S ABOUT, REALLY, RESPECTING THE FAMILIES' DECISION NOT TO PARTAKE. 684 00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:35,639 WHAT WE ARE LEFT WITH IS THABO BESTER'S STORY. 685 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,756 HE MET NOMFUNDO IN JANUARY 2011, 686 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,476 AT A BMW DEALERSHIP IN SANDTON, 687 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,595 WHERE SHE WORKED AS A SALESPERSON. 688 00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:49,756 HE TOLD HER HE WAS WORKING FOR A TELEVISION PRODUCTION COMPANY, 689 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,876 AND THAT SHE LOOKED LIKE SOMEONE WHO WOULD LOOK GOOD ON TV. 690 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,195 HE STARTS TO, ACCORDING TO HIM, 691 00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:55,796 REALISE THAT HE REALLY LIKES THIS LADY, 692 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,956 AND THAT SHE'S GOT A LOT OF SKILLS, AND HAS, SORT OF, A LOT OF POTENTIAL, 693 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:03,155 AND HE CAN USE HER. AND I THINK HE MEANS THAT IN VARIOUS WAYS. 694 00:43:03,159 --> 00:43:06,719 HE THEN SORT OF CONVINCES HER THAT THEY SHOULD TRAVEL DOWN TO CAPE TOWN. 695 00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:10,756 ALSO PROMISING HER SOMETHING ABOUT 696 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:16,115 A PHOTOSHOOT OPPORTUNITY. AND THEY CHECKED INTO A LUXURY HOTEL, 697 00:43:16,119 --> 00:43:17,956 WHERE THEY STAYED FOR TWO NIGHTS. 698 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,836 HE AGAIN DOES THIS FALSE BOOKING WITH A FALSE EFT... 699 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:25,595 AND WHEN THEY LEFT, THEY THEN CHECKED INTO A VILLA 700 00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:27,075 IN SUNSET BEACH. 701 00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:28,595 THEY'RE SHARING THE SAME ROOM. 702 00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:32,396 AND AT ONE POINT, SHE ALLEGEDLY HAD SEEN MESSAGES ON HIS PHONE, 703 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,996 WHICH SHE'D READ, AND REALISED THAT HE'S ESSENTIALLY IN A RELATIONSHIP. 704 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,396 AND, ACCORDING TO HIM, SHE CONFRONTS HIM ABOUT THIS, AND HE'S UPSET. 705 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,035 AND THE ARGUMENT BECAME QUITE HEATED, 706 00:43:41,039 --> 00:43:44,356 BUT IT EVENTUALLY ENDED WITH THEM SETTLING THINGS, 707 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,796 AND THEN GOING TO BED. 708 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,916 HE WAKES UP A 03:00, REALISING, 709 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,476 "WELL THIS SORT OF GAME IS UP." 710 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,075 SO HE GOES AND GETS A KNIFE FROM THE GUESTHOUSE, COMES BACK... 711 00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:53,756 NOMFUNDO WOKE UP, 712 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,316 ONLY TO FIND THABO BESTER STANDING IN FRONT OF HER. 713 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,515 HE DESCRIBES IT THAT THERE WAS SORT OF A TUSSLE, 714 00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:01,635 AND SHE MUST'VE BEEN STABBED IN THAT PROCESS, 715 00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:04,476 BUT HE WASN'T TRYING TO STAB HER, AND HE WASN'T TRYING TO KILL HER. 716 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,515 WHILE SHE WAS BUSY BLEEDING TO DEATH, 717 00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:09,719 HE ASKED HER FOR THE PASSWORD TO HER LAPTOP. 718 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,555 AND AT AROUND 07:00, BESTER LEFT THE VILLA... 719 00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:17,715 AND SORT OF TELLS THE GUEST HOUSE SHE'S SLEEPING LATE, AND HE'S OFF... 720 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,235 AND THAT SHE SHOULDN'T BE BOTHERED UNTIL ABOUT 14:00. 721 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:22,436 AND HE LEAVES. 722 00:44:27,199 --> 00:44:30,595 SO LATER THAT EVENING, THE OWNERS OF THAT VILLA 723 00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:35,436 BECAME SOMEWHAT CONCERNED, GIVEN THAT THEY HADN'T HEARD FROM NOMFUNDO, 724 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,675 AND WHEN THEY WENT TO THE ROOM, 725 00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:41,679 THAT'S WHEN THEY UNCOVERED HER LIFELESS AND BLOODY BODY. 726 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:49,796 WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER RAPES IS THAT THEY WERE PART OF A SCAM. 727 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,235 BUT WHEN IT COMES TO NOMFUNDO'S STORY, 728 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,396 THERE'S THE ALLEGED RELATIONSHIP 729 00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,195 BETWEEN HIM AND NOMFUNDO. 730 00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:01,559 WHY ARE WE LED TO BELIEVE THAT VERSION? 731 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,276 SO EVEN IN THABO BESTER'S OWN VERSION OF EVENTS, 732 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,195 WHICH HE TOLD ME, THERE'S NO EFFORTS TO SAVE THIS PERSON. 733 00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:11,195 HE DESCRIBES IT THAT THERE WAS SORT OF A TUSSEL 734 00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:14,235 AND SHE MUST'VE BEEN STABBED IN THAT PROCESS BUT HE WASN'T TRYING 735 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,316 TO STABB HER OR HE WASN'T TRYING TO KILL HER. 736 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,276 BUT HE CAN'T REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY TIMES SHE WAS STABBED. 737 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,916 AND YOU KNOW, HE SAYS SHE WAS SCRATCHED AND THEN SHE'S ON THE BED 738 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,595 AND SHE STOPS MOVING, HE'S NOT SURE IF SHE'S ALIVE 739 00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:28,796 SO HE KIND OF SHAKES HER AND THEN LEAVES. 740 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,876 UM, SO VERY MUCH PORTRAYED AS I CAN CONFESS... 741 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,715 AND I THINK HE WAS LITERALY, AS IF HE WAS 742 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,476 NOW ADMIT TO BEING SORT OF THE ONE HOLDING THE KNIFE 743 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,155 THAT CAUSED HER DEATH, BUT I CAN'T ADMIT TO MURDERING HER. 744 00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:45,756 BECAUSE I DIDN'T SORT OF INTENTIONALLY STABB HER. 745 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,996 NOWHERE IN THAT STORY, EVEN HIS OWN VERSION OF EVENTS, 746 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,079 IS THERE ANY IOTA OF CARE FOR THAT VICTIM. 747 00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:53,276 THABO BESTER WILL TRY AND TELL YOU SOMETHING 748 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,635 THAT'S GOING TO WIN YOUR SYMPATHY, MAKE HIM LOOK BETTER. 749 00:45:56,639 --> 00:45:58,476 YOU CANNOT ACCEPT ANYTHING. 750 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,595 IF HE TELLS YOU THE SUN IS SHINING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, 751 00:46:00,599 --> 00:46:02,396 YOU BETTER GO OUTSIDE AND LOOK. 752 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,715 THERE'S ONE THING THAT I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT 753 00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:09,276 IS PROBABLY... SOMETHING THAT'S GENUINE IN WHAT HE SAID. 754 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,356 AND I'll PARAPHRASE IT, 755 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,115 BUT HE REALLY SORT OF SAID IT ALMOST LIKE OUT OF THE BLUE. 756 00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:17,436 AND HE SAID HE ALWAYS WONDERED WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE 757 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,800 TO BE THE PERSON WITH THE KNIFE, TO BE IN COMPLETE CONTROL. 758 00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:25,396 THAT IS VERY MUCH THE KIND OF STUFF WE OFTEN DO HEAR 759 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,396 FROM SERIAL MURDERERS AND SERIAL RAPISTS. 760 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,756 IT'S ABOUT POWER AND CONTROL, AND SOMETIMES, IN A WAY, 761 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,920 REPEATING THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED TO YOU. 762 00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:37,916 THAT, IN A WAY, IT'S LIKE YOU CANCEL IT OUT, IF YOU'RE THE DOER, 763 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,756 AS OPPOSED TO THE PERSON IT WAS BEING DONE TO. 764 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,675 SO I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE FEW LITTLE GLIMMERS 765 00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:46,555 WHERE HIS REAL KIND OF THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS CAME THROUGH, 766 00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:47,836 AND FOR THE REST OF THE INTERVIEW, HE WASN'T TRYING 767 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,396 TO PRESENT HIMSELF AS AN OFFENDER. 768 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,595 IT WAS ACCIDENTAL, HE HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THIS. 769 00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:54,760 THE KNIFE ACCIDENTALLY HURT THE MURDER VICTIM. 770 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,035 WE SAY SERIAL OFFENDERS DON'T USUALLY JUST STOP 771 00:46:59,039 --> 00:47:01,595 THE TYPICAL PATTERNS THEY WILL CONTINUE. 772 00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:04,195 WE KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT ONLY ONE IN 20 RAPE CASES 773 00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:05,515 ARE REPORTED TO THE POLICE. 774 00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:08,155 SO IF YOU DO CATCH SOMEONE WHO'S RAPED 20 PEOPLE, 775 00:47:08,159 --> 00:47:10,876 YOU KNOW, YOU TIMES THAT BY 20, IS PROBABLY THE ACTUAL NUMBER. 776 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,235 TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE TWO RAPES AND THE MURDER ARE HIS ONLY VIOLENT, 777 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,316 OR SEXUALLY VIOLENT OFFENCES IS VERY NAIVE. 778 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,280 I KNOW THERE'RE A LOT MORE. 779 00:47:20,639 --> 00:47:22,840 I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT MORE THAT SPOKE TO THE POLICE... 780 00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:26,876 THAT ARE TERRIFIED. 781 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,316 SOMETIMES YOU JUST BURY AN INCIDENT LIKE THIS, 782 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:37,595 AND YOU WANT TO THINK, "IT WAS TRAUMATIC FOR ME, 783 00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:40,996 I WANNA FORGET ABOUT IT." BUT IT STILL HAUNTS YOU. 784 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,956 IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO ACCEPT, ACKNOWLEDGE, AND DEAL WITH. 785 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,760 IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT EVER GOES AWAY. 786 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:54,756 HIS PRESENCE, OR THE VERY THOUGHT OF HIM, STILL INSTILS FEAR IN ME. 787 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:59,595 AND THAT WAS WHEN I DECIDED THAT I THINK MY LIFE IS MORE PRECIOUS, 788 00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:04,000 AND MY FAMILY, AND I DECIDED TO LEAVE THE INDUSTRY. 789 00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,436 EMOTIONALLY, HE DID TORTURE US. 790 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,356 IT MIGHT BE A SMALL, LITTLE THING, BUT EMOTIONALLY WE REALLY FELT IT. 791 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,595 BUT AS FOR MATHABA... 792 00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:17,396 I NEVER LIKED HIM FOR WHAT HE DID TO ME. 793 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,956 AND HE NEVER COME BACK AS A FRIEND TO SAY, "BROTHER, I'M SORRY, 794 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,675 LET'S CONTINUE, LET'S FIGHT THABO TOGETHER." 795 00:48:23,679 --> 00:48:25,956 IS THIS THE FIRST TIME YOU GUYS HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT IT? 796 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:30,239 YES, YES, IT WAS THE FIRST TIME WE SPEAK ABOUT IT, TO SHARE A SPACE. 797 00:48:31,519 --> 00:48:34,675 IT BROUGHT US BACK TOGETHER HERE, TO THE SAME SEAT. 798 00:48:44,159 --> 00:48:47,956 HE SAT IN COURT, WITH A SMUG FACE, 799 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:53,075 SAME SMUG LOOK HE'S GOT ON HIS FACE NOW. EXACTLY THE SAME SMUG FACE. 800 00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:56,635 THERE'S NOTHING HE COULD EVER SAY THAT WOULD MAKE ME FORGIVE HIM. 801 00:48:56,639 --> 00:48:59,996 BUT IF HE HAD SHOWN JUST A INCH OF REMORSE, 802 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,396 MAYBE THE HATRED WOULDN'T BE AS BAD. 803 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,635 BUT HE'S NEVER, EVER SHOWN REMORSE. 804 00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:09,595 NOT THEN, AND NOT NOW. 805 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,836 THE SENTENCE WAS 60 YEARS, 806 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:21,639 FOR MY DAUGHTER'S RAPE AND ASSAULT. 807 00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:31,796 HE GOT HIS APPEAL. IT GOT CUT DOWN TO... FROM 60 YEARS TO 30 YEARS. 808 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,555 THE MURDER RAN CONCURRENTLY WITH THE RAPES. 809 00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:38,679 WHICH IS ALSO ABSOLUTELY RUBBISH. 810 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,316 'CAUSE HE'S NOT SITTING TIME FOR IT. 811 00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,075 HE DOESN'T DO ANYTHING FOR THE MURDER BECAUSE IT'S ALL CONCURRENT. 812 00:49:45,079 --> 00:49:49,675 A LIFE SENTENCE IS 25 YEARS. SO IT WAS 25 YEARS, 813 00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:51,880 AND THEN YOU'D BE ELIGIBLE FOR PAROLE. 814 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,599 AND THEN HE'S OUT THERE DOING IT AGAIN. 815 00:49:57,679 --> 00:49:59,555 THE LIFE SENTENCE IS TILL THE DAY YOU DIE, 816 00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:03,515 THE QUESTION IS, WILL YOU BE SERVING SOME OF IT OUTSIDE WITH RESTRICTIONS, 817 00:50:03,519 --> 00:50:07,155 OR IN PRISON? NOW THE POINT WHERE YOU CAN POSSIBLY BE RELEASED, 818 00:50:07,159 --> 00:50:10,436 USUALLY, ON A LIFE SENTENCE FOR THE FIRST TIME, 819 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,916 WOULD BE AT A 25-YEAR POINT INTO YOUR SENTENCE. 820 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,876 YOU'D HAVE YOUR FIRST PAROLE HEARING, DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE GONNA GET PAROLE, 821 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,235 BUT YOU'LL HAVE YOUR FIRST HEARING. 822 00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,356 AND THEN PROBABLY EVERY TWO YEARS THEREAFTER, 823 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,715 YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER HEARING, AND ANOTHER HEARING, AND ANOTHER HEARING. 824 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,356 SO WHEN HE GOT THAT LIFE SENTENCE IN 2012, 825 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,796 HIS FIRST POINT AT WHICH HE WOULD'VE COME UP FOR PAROLE 826 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,276 WOULD'VE BEEN 25 YEARS FROM THAT, FAST FORWARD, 827 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,195 WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN 2037. 828 00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:33,039 WELL HE DIDN'T WAIT THE FULL TIME. 829 00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,679 SO HOW REMORSEFUL IS THAT, IF YOU PLAN AN ESCAPE? 830 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,276 THAT'S NOT REMORSE. I'VE WANTED TO TALK UP, 831 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:46,996 AND I WANTED PEOPLE TO SEE THE OTHER SIDE OF HIM. 832 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,796 BECAUSE IT'S ONLY HIS VOICE EVERYBODY'S HEARING. 833 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,436 SO I WANTED THEM TO SEE WHAT HE'S DONE, 834 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:57,916 THE LIVES HE AFFECTED. NOMFUNDO'S PARENTS, 835 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,316 I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO IMAGINE HOW THEY FEEL. 836 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,440 I, AT LEAST, GET TO SEE MY DAUGHTER. 837 00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:11,079 AND PUT MY ARMS AROUND HER AND LOVE HER. 838 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,480 IT'S NEVER TOO LATE TO COME FORWARD. 839 00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:40,876 I FOUND A POST FROM 2012, WHEN HE WAS PUT IN JAIL, 840 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,436 AND RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM, THERE'S A COMMENT FROM YOU. 841 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,276 JA, I WAS VERY WORRIED ABOUT NANDIPHA, 842 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,316 THAT THERE'S THIS PERSON THAT'S WORRYING MY FAMILY, 843 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,996 AND I THINK I KNOW WHO HE IS. CAN JUST SOMEONE HEAR ME OUT? 844 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,195 AND NO ONE HEARD ME OUT. 845 00:51:57,199 --> 00:52:00,760 I MEAN, THAT WAS STILL WHEN HE WAS IN JAIL BEFORE THE ESCAPE. 846 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,436 AND I WAS USING DIFFERENT AVENUES. 847 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:05,555 AND NOBODY WAS LISTENING? 848 00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:08,440 AND NOBODY LISTENED, NO ONE LISTENED. 849 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,276 IT WASN'T THE STORY OF THE DAY. YOU KNOW? 850 00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:23,075 ESCAPED FACEBOOK RAPIST AND MURDERER, THABO BESTER, 851 00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:24,756 IS STILL ON THE RUN. 852 00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,316 Brace yourself, the whereabouts of Dr Nandipha... 853 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,155 ...Magudumana was a no-show at her clinic in Sandton. 854 00:52:31,159 --> 00:52:32,876 The pair has vanished. 855 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,996 Police are now working with private security companies 856 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,396 to try and apprehend him. 857 00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:42,155 Agencies like Fidelity, ADT, have offered R100,000 reward 858 00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:44,079 for information leading to his arrest. 859 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,876 But what has become very clear here, 860 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,796 is that the investigation will have to go much deeper, 861 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,876 much higher, and sideways. 862 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,715 We do not have a correctional service, 863 00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,595 that the justice system is in tatters. 864 00:52:56,599 --> 00:52:59,396 Somebody like Thabo Bester, we can almost assure you 865 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,075 that he has done something in the time that he has escaped. 866 00:53:03,079 --> 00:53:04,595 And he has hurt more women. 867 00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:07,515 I do not feel safe. So at what point 868 00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:10,075 do we start holding government accountable? 869 00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:12,195 - We found Bester. - When did you find him? 870 00:53:12,199 --> 00:53:14,320 We found him, we sent to prison for life. 871 00:53:15,079 --> 00:53:17,515 - No, but now he's escaped. - We'll find Bester... 872 00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:19,675 We'll find Bester, prison, 873 00:53:19,679 --> 00:53:22,276 for life, and 75 years. 874 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,396 Ja, where's he now? 875 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,155 Bester was.. Jumped out of correctional service, 876 00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:30,756 and we are chasing Bester for the second time. 877 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:34,515 We found Bester. 878 00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:35,996 - When did you find him? - We'll find him, 879 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,595 we'll send to prison for life. 880 00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:39,276 Prison for life... 881 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,075 ...and we are chasing Bester for the second time. 882 00:53:56,599 --> 00:53:59,115 BUT WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF NANDIPHA? 883 00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:02,480 DO YOU THINK THAT SHE'S AN ACCOMPLICE OR A VICTIM? 884 00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:05,440 YOU KNOW, WHAT IS BEING DONE TO HER... 885 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,039 THAT WE DON'T KNOW? 77420

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