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Parling forward to Gren.
Gren takes it down-
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- turns toward the centre
and passes to Liedholm.
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Many things weren't
as they first appeared to be.
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When the revelation came,
it was like when you lift a rock-
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- and the woodlice come pouring out.
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...to the right flank and passes
to B�rjesson, who takes it-
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- and passes it
to Hamrin who is waiting...
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I have the impression of a mounting
movement trying to prove something-
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- which, in our opinion, is erroneous.
You have to go on the attack.
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Hamrin speeds up
and holds on to the ball...
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No credible witnesses can confirm
that there was a World Cup.
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Hamrin easily holds on to the ball
past two defenders. He scores!
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Oh my!
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Score!
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The scenes here at Nya Ullevi
cannot be described in any way.
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Such an amazing feat by Hamrin-
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- who toyed with the ball without
a care to lure the Germans to him.
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When they came, he feinted
past them in such a brilliant way-
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- that it makes you speechless.
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Right after the '58 World Cup-
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- I started gathering tens of thousands
of documents, images and articles.
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One thing after another was revealed-
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- which pointed
to the strange conclusion-
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- that this '58 World Cup
never existed.
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I've now gathered all this material
in a book.
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I don't think it's only relevant
for us Swedes-
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- it's a matter of concern for the entire
world. It's such a horrifying story-
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- that it simply has
to be brought to the public's attention.
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It's not just a matter of the
sporting world's deceitfulness-
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- but entire continents' deceitfulness,
humanity's deceitfulness.
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Here, in fourth place, is a country
that had us spellbound at the time.
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That was 54 years ago.
Sweden hosted the World Cup.
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The pros were present,
as were the future stars.
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Nisse Liedholm, Gunnar Gren, Nacka
Skoglund, Hamrin, Agne Simonsson.
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Kurre Hamrin
played on the right wing-
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- and scored the goal against
the West Germans in the semi-final.
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This is what I consider to be the most
important proof that the match-
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- at the '58 World Cup
didn't take place in Sweden.
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Kurre Hamrin is about to score,
making it 3-1 in Sweden's favor.
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Hamrin easily holds on to the ball
past two defenders. He scores!
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I scored that goal,
which has also been recorded-
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- so that you can drag it out
and watch it from time to time.
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My clearest football memory so far-
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- is the '58 World Cup.
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There are no such buildings
in Sweden-
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- and definitely not in Gothenburg.
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I found the buildings here.
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Here and here...
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There - it's over here.
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And here is the next building.
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"Three magnificent office structures
on the outskirts of Los Angeles. "
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There are some fairly original
architectural steps here-
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- that don't exist in Sweden.
I stood in this spot-
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- and there was nothing there.
Instead, there was a forest there.
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...cannot be described in any way.
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Such an amazing feat by Hamrin!
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You couldn't go anywhere
without them coming up-
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- offering congratulations
and asking what it was like.
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Especially here in Gothenburg,
which is a great sports town.
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A lot of us players were veterans-
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- and then there was Gunnar Gren.
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We had some real stars.
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The houses to the left
of R�sunda stadium, to the south...
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Now I know exactly where it is.
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So let's go in and mark it out.
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Let's see here...
It's over there-
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- so let's mark it... 2.30 p. m.
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I've done extensive research. I stood
on opposite ends of the stadium-
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- and I measured the angle
of the sun every fifteen minutes.
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Then I compared the images,
hundreds of images, from the games-
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- and studied the angle
and length of the shadows.
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They couldn't
have been played here in Sweden.
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Down by the northern tropic-
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- the shadows must have been shorter,
which they were in some places.
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And then, if we look at the shadows
in Sweden, they were longer.
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So I started looking through maps
to investigate-
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- where this could have taken place.
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I started with north Africa -
the northern Sahara desert.
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It was pretty unlikely
that it could have taken place there.
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We continue across the Atlantic-
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- and we reach the western part
of North America.
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Then everything clicks-
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- including the financial resources
that they must have had.
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A lot of people thought such a small
country couldn't pull off a World Cup.
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But it turns out
that things went very well.
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The biggest event of all was when
Liedholm scored 1-0 for Sweden-
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- after only a few minutes
of play - against Brazil!
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We were world champions! Unfor-
tunately there were 80 minutes left.
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Since then I've experienced many
competitions, but that one remains-
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- in my mind, as the most
important one - in many regards.
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Passes back to Liedholm. It's far away,
but he holds on to the ball-
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- feints to the right flank and passes
to B�rjesson, who takes it-
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- and passes it to Hamrin who
is waiting for the Germans to attack.
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They eventually come and Hamrin
speeds up. Sch�fer is crowding him.
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Hamrin easily holds on to the ball
past two defenders. He scores!
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Why is
the German goalkeeper laughing?
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The ball is in.
There is no reason for him to laugh-
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- if it had been for real.
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This image of Kalle Svensson-
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- is actually two images.
He's been added to the background.
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- Which you can clearly see by
the forehead, and the hand as well.
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It's to make it as dramatic as possible.
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You want to believe dramatic images.
Your attention isn't drawn-
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- to players standing still
or half of the players standing still.
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This is maximum drama.
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I've read the book, but I haven't
had a chance to meet him.
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I think it's quite revealing
if you read the book-
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- and know some of the things
that are widely known about him:
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He was on the game show Kvitt eller
dubbelt. Subject: Norse mythology-
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- which is strange. It is
a Norse mythology thing as he says.
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Bror de Waern, here's question 5.
Let's disconnect the Norwegian booth.
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Terror garb.
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- Is the judge in Stockholm satisfied?
- One moment.
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- Hello...
- The phones are ringing off the hook.
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He is so close
that we have to approve this.
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I founded Conspiracy '58-
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- because I noticed that I wasn't
the only one who thought this.
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I was the chairman for 14 years,
until 1972.
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The reason why such an organization
can come into existence-
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- and that people join-
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- is that there is a relatively
large group of people-
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- in Sweden and in other countries
who are fascinated by these ideas.
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The '58 World Cup
is actually a gigantic hoax-
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- staged by the American
intelligence community-
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- FIFA and the television industry.
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It was one stage of the Cold War,
which was in full swing at the time-
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- and the US needed to test
TV's capacity for influencing people.
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It's what I call "The media race".
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And then the lies
started coming at us from all sides.
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- Team three in group one:
- Czechoslovakia.
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When you see it with your own eyes
and process it with your brain-
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- you think it's true.
You want it to be true, it's easy-
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- so you believe what the media
is showing. But it's not true.
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One condition of this debate was that
the World Cup couldn't be mentioned.
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- Who do you think were behind it?
- The '58 World Cup was...
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Typical of Bror Jacques to bring
that up and make a mockery of it...
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The World Cup was one of the biggest
events we've had. I remember it.
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I saw Hungary/Wales in Sandviken
at Jernvallen, the only arena-
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- that no longer exists. He might be
right there. The rest are still standing.
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Early one autumn morning...
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I think it was in '83. I see a car
disappear from my property-
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- and I wonder what it was.
When I go down to the stables-
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- I find this painted on the barn wall:
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KSP 58.
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I wonder what is going on.
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When I get down to the horses-
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- I find one of the horses
has also been spray painted-
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- on the side with "KSP 58".
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In the beginning
the organization was more militant-
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- and took more action.
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Like sending threatening letters
to people, for example-
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- and even letter bombs.
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There were attacks against football
fields. Players were followed.
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I've gotten the odd letter-
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- but I just tossed them out.
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There were letters that were supposed
to contain bombs. There were calls.
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There were policemen in the yard.
I couldn't drive my own car.
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You'd get a threat via phone or letter
saying you didn't have long to live.
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I don't want us to talk about where
we are, where our offices are, I mean-
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- or other board members,
other members, none of that.
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- What can we talk about?
- The web site... the future, that is.
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The Internet is the future.
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You've seen our web site
that we finished last autumn.
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It has made it possible
for us to reach out-
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- to new people
in Sweden and in Europe.
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There have been new local chapters
and our membership has increased-
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- quite a lot, let me tell you.
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How many members
does KSP in Sweden have?
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I don't want to say, but since the web
site went live a few months ago-
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- it has increased
by a few hundred percent.
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So what is the approximate figure
for Sweden?
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No comment.
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We've gotten over 40 new members
in three months.
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That's a lot for this organization.
It has also contributed to us-
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- reaching out to similar organizations
all over the world.
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Here you can see
the chairman Olof Arnell-
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- and the founder
Bror Jacques de Waern and his book.
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The photo evidence's some of the most
absurd, if you look at it that way.
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Here they show a house that can't
have been next to the stadium.
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Or they show shoes, for instance.
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The Brazilians' shoes are wrong,
they couldn't have existed back then.
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Links to affiliated organizations have
appeared in a number of countries...
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Right now we're helping to start
an organization in Brazil.
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That's particularly fun.
We're making progress.
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I know that this exists in Italy
too... these kinds of extreme things.
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But if they're saying that there
was no football World Cup in 1958-
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- I can tell them
that I experienced it myself-
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- so I can't understand
why they'd say something like that.
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If we were to receive signs a move-
ment like this is happening in Brazil-
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- I will tell my colleagues
what we've done-
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- and will try to get them
to take equivalent action.
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You can imagine
how the Brazilians react-
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- when you try to take away
a gold medal from them.
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With this I, as a city representative,
would like to hand over-
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- Adrin's artwork
"Nacka Skoglund's memory"-
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- to Stockholm
and above all, S�der's inhabitants.
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I think that Olle Adrin had a deeper
meaning behind this sculpture.
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What he wanted to say was: "This
is the truth of the '58 World Cup. "
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And here, where it is released
after the media has done their job-
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- we have the deceitful side
of the '58 World Cup-
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- namely the non-existence,
that it never was.
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These statues are rubbish-
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- because those who display them
want to impress upon us-
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- that the people really existed,
and that's not always a given.
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I'm afraid we'll be making
a mistake if we treat it casually-
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- and believe that it's a phenomenon
that will go away by itself.
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I have the impression it's a growing
movement trying to prove something-
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- that according to us is false, which
means you have to go on the attack.
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But many will say:
"He's probably right... "
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"Governments are corrupted,
everyone knows that. "
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And they will join anyway.
There is a silent floating majority-
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- that will go along
with a lot of nonsense-
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- if you don't show them
that this is idiotic and even dangerous.
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Sweden won unfairly.
Brazil punished you.
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A smoke grenade detonated during
the game between AIK-Norrk�ping.
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20 minutes after kick-off,
the smoke bomb goes off in the arena.
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The remains are sent
to the crime lab...
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Parts of Solna are cordoned off-
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- after a person retrieves a suspected
letter bomb from the post office.
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I understand what you're talking
about, you mean these bomb threats-
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- and the small bomb
that went off on one occasion.
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I can tell you
that we were not behind it.
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The times were different and we may
have needed new influences.
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Things were
more hotly debated in the 70s.
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- Pelle.
- My name is Thomas.
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I'm calling about a documentary and
your involvement with Conspiracy '58.
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- I'm not involved in that organization.
- But you donate money to them.
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- That's none of your business.
- Hello?
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Per L�fstedt is the municipal council
chairman and a social democrat.
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He has been a member of Conspiracy
'58, but left a few years ago.
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But he still supports them
with money.
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It also says something about
how an organization such as this-
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- can have both open assets
and more covert ones.
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- Hi!
- We called about an interview.
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Go to hell!
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- How many copies have we sold?
- 62 in four days.
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- That sounds impressive.
- We don't know about overseas yet.
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You've encountered some trouble
at earlier signings.
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- How does today look?
- I don't think it'll be a problem.
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- But we are in Stockholm now.
- We're taking it easy.
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But it's been a bit unruly.
People have gotten riled up.
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But I don't think you can deny
anyone the right to their opinion.
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You can't surprise me anyway
because you can find anything there.
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The only thing you can do, is if those
who know what really happened-
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- make convincing arguments
that convince you that we damn well-
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- hosted the World Cup
in Sweden in 1958.
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There's no way to stop it
because there will always be loons.
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What you can do is tell the truth -
those of us who were there.
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It's also important that the Swedish
football association in every way-
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- in connection with international
games and in programmes...
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...really confirms that Sweden
advanced to the final in 1958-
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- and that that's always evident
in their work.
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- You couldn't find a pillow?
- Sure.
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- To raise it slightly?
- Sure, we usually have an extra.
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Does it feel better
to not have as much?
256
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It looks like you've already sold some.
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We're a pretty small publishing house.
I started it.
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I've worked a lot-
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- and toiled on my own for many years.
I started in '95.
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- How many titles have you published?
- Ten.
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Bror Jacques has three of them.
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We're very proud of this boom-
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- we've had
because of all the publicity.
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He has all kinds of theses and things-
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- that can be hard to disprove for an
ordinary citizen. The angle of the sun-
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- and what time it must have been
and whatever it is.
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The way it's put forth
is what makes it so convincing.
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If you think about this falling
into the hands of a new generation-
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- who never experienced it
and aren't quite sure...
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They may be convinced that the 1958
Swedish World Cup never took place.
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It's not my job to have opinions on
the contents of the books I publish.
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It's about viewpoints,
freedom of the press-
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- and the right to read
about other people's opinions.
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I was young, but not stupid. I was 21
years old when this event took place.
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I think I had a clear idea of what
happened - and many others too.
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A lot of people saw the World Cup
on TV, including myself.
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But we know it was a giant hoax.
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And then they claim that there was
an audience of 50000 people.
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That 50000 tickets were sold...
But who can prove that?
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There are no moving images
from the opening ceremonies-
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- there is just sound.
And you can record sound anywhere.
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His Majesty has approved-
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- that this year's tournament
will be played in Sweden.
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I managed to see...
I don't remember how many.
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Of course some details
might have been wrong throughout.
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But that all fades away as time passes.
287
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During the years all that is
to be archived has been gathered-
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- and is stored in the public record
office, so it's no longer here.
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I've worked there for 25 years and
I've looked for things big and small-
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- for documents and images
from 1958 and I've found nothing.
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There are periods... When
the football association's offices-
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- were located at Skeppsbron
there was a lot of stuff there.
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A lot was lost when they moved.
Or rather: It was put away.
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You can't ask that my children testify
to the fact that I saw the World Cup.
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It might not be in their best interest.
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Do you know you were there and saw
the games? How can you be sure?
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Did I dream it?
No, I can't have dreamt it.
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I remember talking to Sigge Parling
after one match.
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We call ourselves
"the defenders of '58".
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It is a non-partisan organization.
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Most of our members are
or were active in supporters' clubs.
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Or are at least football lovers.
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I know they're out there.
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It's not the first time. We're what
you might call persecuted by a group-
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- that's always after us. We talked
to the police, they know we're here.
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Any publicity is good publicity.
They're basically helping us.
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We really have two goals:
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To stop the organization Conspiracy
'58 and to stop de Waern's book.
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Some feel
that we should ignore these people-
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- but we can't. In ten years
those who were there will be dead.
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Conspiracy '58 grows every day.
Someone has to take a stance today.
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Soon there will be no one left
who can attest to the fact-
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- that the World Cup was played in
Sweden and that we reached the final.
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I don't know how many are still alive
of all those who worked there.
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But the organizational committee
had six more people besides me.
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None of them are alive today.
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Let those who were there,
while we're still alive-
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- in one way or another
document what happened.
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Otherwise the entire debate will be
skewed and there may be too many-
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- who are convinced
that it never happened.
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00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:20,033
That's the problem with all historic
events, even those more important:
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When all the witnesses have died,
they exist solely as "historic events".
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You can't enter the store! You know
you're not allowed in there! Hello!
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00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,229
- Hey!
- What's this about?
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You have no right to be here.
If you don't leave I'll call the police.
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00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,552
Go ahead,
they can pick up this person!
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You have to keep the flame alive.
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00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:51,356
I'll repeat myself:
To not treat this as a joke.
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This is serious and we
have to act in accordance with it.
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We will do everything in our power
to stop the book. We'll meet again.
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Then this thing will kill you.
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In the same way that it's killed
your honesty. Bloody people!
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Some people are disappointed
that we didn't win the World Cup final.
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That's the way life is sometimes and
if there's something you don't like-
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- or if things didn't turn out the way
you wanted, it's easier to deny it.
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Many people shrug at things like this.
It's the same people who thought-
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- that Nazism would never regain
any ground. And look what happened.
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It's us, the people who were there,
who have the real experience.
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And we're going to keep going
so that this idiocy is silenced for good.
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I'm turning it on...
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Translation: Jennifer Swahn
OrdKedjan AB, 2004
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