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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,315 Parling forward to Gren. Gren takes it down- 2 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,069 - turns toward the centre and passes to Liedholm. 3 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:22,114 Many things weren't as they first appeared to be. 4 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:26,871 When the revelation came, it was like when you lift a rock- 5 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,674 - and the woodlice come pouring out. 6 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,793 ...to the right flank and passes to B�rjesson, who takes it- 7 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,310 - and passes it to Hamrin who is waiting... 8 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,877 I have the impression of a mounting movement trying to prove something- 9 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:46,517 - which, in our opinion, is erroneous. You have to go on the attack. 10 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,508 Hamrin speeds up and holds on to the ball... 11 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:55,748 No credible witnesses can confirm that there was a World Cup. 12 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:01,273 Hamrin easily holds on to the ball past two defenders. He scores! 13 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,914 Oh my! 14 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,671 Score! 15 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:16,510 The scenes here at Nya Ullevi cannot be described in any way. 16 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,349 Such an amazing feat by Hamrin- 17 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:25,031 - who toyed with the ball without a care to lure the Germans to him. 18 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,915 When they came, he feinted past them in such a brilliant way- 19 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,236 - that it makes you speechless. 20 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,354 Right after the '58 World Cup- 21 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:45,351 - I started gathering tens of thousands of documents, images and articles. 22 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,154 One thing after another was revealed- 23 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,875 - which pointed to the strange conclusion- 24 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:57,108 - that this '58 World Cup never existed. 25 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:02,155 I've now gathered all this material in a book. 26 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,670 I don't think it's only relevant for us Swedes- 27 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:10,396 - it's a matter of concern for the entire world. It's such a horrifying story- 28 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,195 - that it simply has to be brought to the public's attention. 29 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,279 It's not just a matter of the sporting world's deceitfulness- 30 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:23,554 - but entire continents' deceitfulness, humanity's deceitfulness. 31 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:28,754 Here, in fourth place, is a country that had us spellbound at the time. 32 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,789 That was 54 years ago. Sweden hosted the World Cup. 33 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,436 The pros were present, as were the future stars. 34 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:42,236 Nisse Liedholm, Gunnar Gren, Nacka Skoglund, Hamrin, Agne Simonsson. 35 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,318 Kurre Hamrin played on the right wing- 36 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,559 - and scored the goal against the West Germans in the semi-final. 37 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:54,151 This is what I consider to be the most important proof that the match- 38 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,114 - at the '58 World Cup didn't take place in Sweden. 39 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:05,717 Kurre Hamrin is about to score, making it 3-1 in Sweden's favor. 40 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:11,870 Hamrin easily holds on to the ball past two defenders. He scores! 41 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,437 I scored that goal, which has also been recorded- 42 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:21,430 - so that you can drag it out and watch it from time to time. 43 00:03:21,640 --> 00:03:26,760 My clearest football memory so far- 44 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,394 - is the '58 World Cup. 45 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,832 There are no such buildings in Sweden- 46 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,998 - and definitely not in Gothenburg. 47 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:48,398 I found the buildings here. 48 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,394 Here and here... 49 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,195 There - it's over here. 50 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,073 And here is the next building. 51 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:04,308 "Three magnificent office structures on the outskirts of Los Angeles. " 52 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:09,913 There are some fairly original architectural steps here- 53 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,955 - that don't exist in Sweden. I stood in this spot- 54 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:19,233 - and there was nothing there. Instead, there was a forest there. 55 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,750 ...cannot be described in any way. 56 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,476 Such an amazing feat by Hamrin! 57 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:34,390 You couldn't go anywhere without them coming up- 58 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,831 - offering congratulations and asking what it was like. 59 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:42,079 Especially here in Gothenburg, which is a great sports town. 60 00:04:42,280 --> 00:04:47,479 A lot of us players were veterans- 61 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,673 - and then there was Gunnar Gren. 62 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,599 We had some real stars. 63 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,920 The houses to the left of R�sunda stadium, to the south... 64 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,317 Now I know exactly where it is. 65 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,239 So let's go in and mark it out. 66 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,433 Let's see here... It's over there- 67 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,519 - so let's mark it... 2.30 p. m. 68 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,714 I've done extensive research. I stood on opposite ends of the stadium- 69 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,356 - and I measured the angle of the sun every fifteen minutes. 70 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:29,351 Then I compared the images, hundreds of images, from the games- 71 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,155 - and studied the angle and length of the shadows. 72 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,717 They couldn't have been played here in Sweden. 73 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,435 Down by the northern tropic- 74 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:53,316 - the shadows must have been shorter, which they were in some places. 75 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:59,516 And then, if we look at the shadows in Sweden, they were longer. 76 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,838 So I started looking through maps to investigate- 77 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,713 - where this could have taken place. 78 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:11,038 I started with north Africa - the northern Sahara desert. 79 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,153 It was pretty unlikely that it could have taken place there. 80 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,794 We continue across the Atlantic- 81 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,754 - and we reach the western part of North America. 82 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,474 Then everything clicks- 83 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:29,196 - including the financial resources that they must have had. 84 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:34,389 A lot of people thought such a small country couldn't pull off a World Cup. 85 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,717 But it turns out that things went very well. 86 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,959 The biggest event of all was when Liedholm scored 1-0 for Sweden- 87 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,516 - after only a few minutes of play - against Brazil! 88 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:51,556 We were world champions! Unfor- tunately there were 80 minutes left. 89 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,878 Since then I've experienced many competitions, but that one remains- 90 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:01,200 - in my mind, as the most important one - in many regards. 91 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:06,793 Passes back to Liedholm. It's far away, but he holds on to the ball- 92 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:11,198 - feints to the right flank and passes to B�rjesson, who takes it- 93 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:16,554 - and passes it to Hamrin who is waiting for the Germans to attack. 94 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,151 They eventually come and Hamrin speeds up. Sch�fer is crowding him. 95 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:26,150 Hamrin easily holds on to the ball past two defenders. He scores! 96 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,153 Why is the German goalkeeper laughing? 97 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:36,718 The ball is in. There is no reason for him to laugh- 98 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,593 - if it had been for real. 99 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,634 This image of Kalle Svensson- 100 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:48,994 - is actually two images. He's been added to the background. 101 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:54,228 - Which you can clearly see by the forehead, and the hand as well. 102 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,433 It's to make it as dramatic as possible. 103 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:04,078 You want to believe dramatic images. Your attention isn't drawn- 104 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:08,273 - to players standing still or half of the players standing still. 105 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,994 This is maximum drama. 106 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:16,194 I've read the book, but I haven't had a chance to meet him. 107 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,313 I think it's quite revealing if you read the book- 108 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,671 - and know some of the things that are widely known about him: 109 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:28,795 He was on the game show Kvitt eller dubbelt. Subject: Norse mythology- 110 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:33,869 - which is strange. It is a Norse mythology thing as he says. 111 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:38,039 Bror de Waern, here's question 5. Let's disconnect the Norwegian booth. 112 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,390 Terror garb. 113 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,876 - Is the judge in Stockholm satisfied? - One moment. 114 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,277 - Hello... - The phones are ringing off the hook. 115 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,996 He is so close that we have to approve this. 116 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,436 I founded Conspiracy '58- 117 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,872 - because I noticed that I wasn't the only one who thought this. 118 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,914 I was the chairman for 14 years, until 1972. 119 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,795 The reason why such an organization can come into existence- 120 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,878 - and that people join- 121 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,470 - is that there is a relatively large group of people- 122 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:20,593 - in Sweden and in other countries who are fascinated by these ideas. 123 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:26,875 The '58 World Cup is actually a gigantic hoax- 124 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:31,392 - staged by the American intelligence community- 125 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,910 - FIFA and the television industry. 126 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,079 It was one stage of the Cold War, which was in full swing at the time- 127 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:44,479 - and the US needed to test TV's capacity for influencing people. 128 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:47,592 It's what I call "The media race". 129 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:52,430 And then the lies started coming at us from all sides. 130 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:05,112 - Team three in group one: - Czechoslovakia. 131 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,359 When you see it with your own eyes and process it with your brain- 132 00:10:09,560 --> 00:10:13,838 - you think it's true. You want it to be true, it's easy- 133 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:19,398 - so you believe what the media is showing. But it's not true. 134 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:25,197 One condition of this debate was that the World Cup couldn't be mentioned. 135 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,678 - Who do you think were behind it? - The '58 World Cup was... 136 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:34,396 Typical of Bror Jacques to bring that up and make a mockery of it... 137 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:39,390 The World Cup was one of the biggest events we've had. I remember it. 138 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:44,230 I saw Hungary/Wales in Sandviken at Jernvallen, the only arena- 139 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:49,309 - that no longer exists. He might be right there. The rest are still standing. 140 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:18,994 Early one autumn morning... 141 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:24,832 I think it was in '83. I see a car disappear from my property- 142 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:29,670 - and I wonder what it was. When I go down to the stables- 143 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,953 - I find this painted on the barn wall: 144 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,869 KSP 58. 145 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,992 I wonder what is going on. 146 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,272 When I get down to the horses- 147 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:49,713 - I find one of the horses has also been spray painted- 148 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,879 - on the side with "KSP 58". 149 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,516 In the beginning the organization was more militant- 150 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,917 - and took more action. 151 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,352 Like sending threatening letters to people, for example- 152 00:12:05,560 --> 00:12:07,949 - and even letter bombs. 153 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:13,518 There were attacks against football fields. Players were followed. 154 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,395 I've gotten the odd letter- 155 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,876 - but I just tossed them out. 156 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:27,110 There were letters that were supposed to contain bombs. There were calls. 157 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,108 There were policemen in the yard. I couldn't drive my own car. 158 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:37,316 You'd get a threat via phone or letter saying you didn't have long to live. 159 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:42,958 I don't want us to talk about where we are, where our offices are, I mean- 160 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:47,551 - or other board members, other members, none of that. 161 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:52,197 - What can we talk about? - The web site... the future, that is. 162 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,472 The Internet is the future. 163 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:59,229 You've seen our web site that we finished last autumn. 164 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,591 It has made it possible for us to reach out- 165 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,837 - to new people in Sweden and in Europe. 166 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:10,238 There have been new local chapters and our membership has increased- 167 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,318 - quite a lot, let me tell you. 168 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,592 How many members does KSP in Sweden have? 169 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:21,430 I don't want to say, but since the web site went live a few months ago- 170 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,791 - it has increased by a few hundred percent. 171 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,356 So what is the approximate figure for Sweden? 172 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:30,835 No comment. 173 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,430 We've gotten over 40 new members in three months. 174 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:39,589 That's a lot for this organization. It has also contributed to us- 175 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:44,396 - reaching out to similar organizations all over the world. 176 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,194 Here you can see the chairman Olof Arnell- 177 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:51,234 - and the founder Bror Jacques de Waern and his book. 178 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:55,718 The photo evidence's some of the most absurd, if you look at it that way. 179 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:01,472 Here they show a house that can't have been next to the stadium. 180 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:06,674 Or they show shoes, for instance. 181 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:12,477 The Brazilians' shoes are wrong, they couldn't have existed back then. 182 00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:16,832 Links to affiliated organizations have appeared in a number of countries... 183 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:21,192 Right now we're helping to start an organization in Brazil. 184 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,392 That's particularly fun. We're making progress. 185 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:30,152 I know that this exists in Italy too... these kinds of extreme things. 186 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,911 But if they're saying that there was no football World Cup in 1958- 187 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,669 - I can tell them that I experienced it myself- 188 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:43,908 - so I can't understand why they'd say something like that. 189 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:50,150 If we were to receive signs a move- ment like this is happening in Brazil- 190 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,989 - I will tell my colleagues what we've done- 191 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,829 - and will try to get them to take equivalent action. 192 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,430 You can imagine how the Brazilians react- 193 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,552 - when you try to take away a gold medal from them. 194 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:09,117 With this I, as a city representative, would like to hand over- 195 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,596 - Adrin's artwork "Nacka Skoglund's memory"- 196 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:17,590 - to Stockholm and above all, S�der's inhabitants. 197 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:25,798 I think that Olle Adrin had a deeper meaning behind this sculpture. 198 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:32,394 What he wanted to say was: "This is the truth of the '58 World Cup. " 199 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,752 And here, where it is released after the media has done their job- 200 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,748 - we have the deceitful side of the '58 World Cup- 201 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,839 - namely the non-existence, that it never was. 202 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,112 These statues are rubbish- 203 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,313 - because those who display them want to impress upon us- 204 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:57,594 - that the people really existed, and that's not always a given. 205 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,588 I'm afraid we'll be making a mistake if we treat it casually- 206 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,236 - and believe that it's a phenomenon that will go away by itself. 207 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,991 I have the impression it's a growing movement trying to prove something- 208 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:14,751 - that according to us is false, which means you have to go on the attack. 209 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,475 But many will say: "He's probably right... " 210 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,877 "Governments are corrupted, everyone knows that. " 211 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:27,074 And they will join anyway. There is a silent floating majority- 212 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,750 - that will go along with a lot of nonsense- 213 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:35,829 - if you don't show them that this is idiotic and even dangerous. 214 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,428 Sweden won unfairly. Brazil punished you. 215 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:05,993 A smoke grenade detonated during the game between AIK-Norrk�ping. 216 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,478 20 minutes after kick-off, the smoke bomb goes off in the arena. 217 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,753 The remains are sent to the crime lab... 218 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,394 Parts of Solna are cordoned off- 219 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:21,479 - after a person retrieves a suspected letter bomb from the post office. 220 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:27,835 I understand what you're talking about, you mean these bomb threats- 221 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,669 - and the small bomb that went off on one occasion. 222 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,872 I can tell you that we were not behind it. 223 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:39,790 The times were different and we may have needed new influences. 224 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,356 Things were more hotly debated in the 70s. 225 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,878 - Pelle. - My name is Thomas. 226 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:52,358 I'm calling about a documentary and your involvement with Conspiracy '58. 227 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:56,678 - I'm not involved in that organization. - But you donate money to them. 228 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,475 - That's none of your business. - Hello? 229 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:05,708 Per L�fstedt is the municipal council chairman and a social democrat. 230 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:11,836 He has been a member of Conspiracy '58, but left a few years ago. 231 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:16,158 But he still supports them with money. 232 00:18:16,360 --> 00:18:20,399 It also says something about how an organization such as this- 233 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:25,674 - can have both open assets and more covert ones. 234 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,276 - Hi! - We called about an interview. 235 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,674 Go to hell! 236 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:46,834 - How many copies have we sold? - 62 in four days. 237 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:52,558 - That sounds impressive. - We don't know about overseas yet. 238 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:58,153 You've encountered some trouble at earlier signings. 239 00:18:58,360 --> 00:19:02,114 - How does today look? - I don't think it'll be a problem. 240 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:06,108 - But we are in Stockholm now. - We're taking it easy. 241 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,790 But it's been a bit unruly. People have gotten riled up. 242 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:18,830 But I don't think you can deny anyone the right to their opinion. 243 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:24,194 You can't surprise me anyway because you can find anything there. 244 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,313 The only thing you can do, is if those who know what really happened- 245 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,672 - make convincing arguments that convince you that we damn well- 246 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,519 - hosted the World Cup in Sweden in 1958. 247 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,793 There's no way to stop it because there will always be loons. 248 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:45,438 What you can do is tell the truth - those of us who were there. 249 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:50,191 It's also important that the Swedish football association in every way- 250 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,710 - in connection with international games and in programmes... 251 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:59,040 ...really confirms that Sweden advanced to the final in 1958- 252 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,199 - and that that's always evident in their work. 253 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,517 - You couldn't find a pillow? - Sure. 254 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:11,510 - To raise it slightly? - Sure, we usually have an extra. 255 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,633 Does it feel better to not have as much? 256 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,037 It looks like you've already sold some. 257 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,791 We're a pretty small publishing house. I started it. 258 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,275 I've worked a lot- 259 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,189 - and toiled on my own for many years. I started in '95. 260 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:34,188 - How many titles have you published? - Ten. 261 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,109 Bror Jacques has three of them. 262 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,756 We're very proud of this boom- 263 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,758 - we've had because of all the publicity. 264 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,872 He has all kinds of theses and things- 265 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,835 - that can be hard to disprove for an ordinary citizen. The angle of the sun- 266 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,874 - and what time it must have been and whatever it is. 267 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:01,835 The way it's put forth is what makes it so convincing. 268 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:06,192 If you think about this falling into the hands of a new generation- 269 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,836 - who never experienced it and aren't quite sure... 270 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:16,798 They may be convinced that the 1958 Swedish World Cup never took place. 271 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,790 It's not my job to have opinions on the contents of the books I publish. 272 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,231 It's about viewpoints, freedom of the press- 273 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,228 - and the right to read about other people's opinions. 274 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:35,231 I was young, but not stupid. I was 21 years old when this event took place. 275 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,638 I think I had a clear idea of what happened - and many others too. 276 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:44,470 A lot of people saw the World Cup on TV, including myself. 277 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,514 But we know it was a giant hoax. 278 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,508 And then they claim that there was an audience of 50000 people. 279 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,838 That 50000 tickets were sold... But who can prove that? 280 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,794 There are no moving images from the opening ceremonies- 281 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,788 - there is just sound. And you can record sound anywhere. 282 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:11,800 His Majesty has approved- 283 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:18,553 - that this year's tournament will be played in Sweden. 284 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:26,798 I managed to see... I don't remember how many. 285 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:32,120 Of course some details might have been wrong throughout. 286 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,869 But that all fades away as time passes. 287 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:40,437 During the years all that is to be archived has been gathered- 288 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:47,432 - and is stored in the public record office, so it's no longer here. 289 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:52,191 I've worked there for 25 years and I've looked for things big and small- 290 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:57,918 - for documents and images from 1958 and I've found nothing. 291 00:22:58,120 --> 00:23:01,908 There are periods... When the football association's offices- 292 00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:05,271 - were located at Skeppsbron there was a lot of stuff there. 293 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:10,235 A lot was lost when they moved. Or rather: It was put away. 294 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:15,753 You can't ask that my children testify to the fact that I saw the World Cup. 295 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,758 It might not be in their best interest. 296 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,795 Do you know you were there and saw the games? How can you be sure? 297 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,072 Did I dream it? No, I can't have dreamt it. 298 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,956 I remember talking to Sigge Parling after one match. 299 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,598 We call ourselves "the defenders of '58". 300 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,588 It is a non-partisan organization. 301 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:48,432 Most of our members are or were active in supporters' clubs. 302 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,428 Or are at least football lovers. 303 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,712 I know they're out there. 304 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:01,438 It's not the first time. We're what you might call persecuted by a group- 305 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:06,794 - that's always after us. We talked to the police, they know we're here. 306 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:12,279 Any publicity is good publicity. They're basically helping us. 307 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,040 We really have two goals: 308 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,950 To stop the organization Conspiracy '58 and to stop de Waern's book. 309 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,233 Some feel that we should ignore these people- 310 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:30,834 - but we can't. In ten years those who were there will be dead. 311 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:37,070 Conspiracy '58 grows every day. Someone has to take a stance today. 312 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,556 Soon there will be no one left who can attest to the fact- 313 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,230 - that the World Cup was played in Sweden and that we reached the final. 314 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:50,390 I don't know how many are still alive of all those who worked there. 315 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:55,993 But the organizational committee had six more people besides me. 316 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,033 None of them are alive today. 317 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,118 Let those who were there, while we're still alive- 318 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,517 - in one way or another document what happened. 319 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,874 Otherwise the entire debate will be skewed and there may be too many- 320 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,436 - who are convinced that it never happened. 321 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:20,033 That's the problem with all historic events, even those more important: 322 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:25,189 When all the witnesses have died, they exist solely as "historic events". 323 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,313 You can't enter the store! You know you're not allowed in there! Hello! 324 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,229 - Hey! - What's this about? 325 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:38,355 You have no right to be here. If you don't leave I'll call the police. 326 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,552 Go ahead, they can pick up this person! 327 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,629 You have to keep the flame alive. 328 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:51,356 I'll repeat myself: To not treat this as a joke. 329 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:56,588 This is serious and we have to act in accordance with it. 330 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,510 We will do everything in our power to stop the book. We'll meet again. 331 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,598 Then this thing will kill you. 332 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:10,272 In the same way that it's killed your honesty. Bloody people! 333 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,635 Some people are disappointed that we didn't win the World Cup final. 334 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,709 That's the way life is sometimes and if there's something you don't like- 335 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:28,311 - or if things didn't turn out the way you wanted, it's easier to deny it. 336 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,911 Many people shrug at things like this. It's the same people who thought- 337 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:37,750 - that Nazism would never regain any ground. And look what happened. 338 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,192 It's us, the people who were there, who have the real experience. 339 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:48,191 And we're going to keep going so that this idiocy is silenced for good. 340 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,233 I'm turning it on... 341 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,553 Translation: Jennifer Swahn OrdKedjan AB, 2004 342 00:27:18,554 --> 00:27:22,554 Ripped by: SkyFury 31698

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