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almost a year ago now I put together a
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comprehensive Roundup covering 35 boards
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based on amd's b650 chipset and at the
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time that was every single b650 board on
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the market after months of work I found
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that all b650 boards were fit for use
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with any am5 processor having tested
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them successfully with the ryzen 9
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750x and that was a big deal as it meant
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you could invest in the am5 plat with
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confidence and that's not something
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budget Builders have been able to do
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with Intel as numerous LGA 1700 boards
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have been found to run excessively hot
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often resulting in thermal throttling
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and therefore a loss of
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performance so the fact that you could
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go with amd's am5 platform for your next
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build and the comfort of knowing that
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any ryzen CPU released for the platform
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will work is kind of nice or at least it
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was while it lasted because recently
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I've noticed a few new entry level B6 50
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boards popping up online from the likes
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of MSI gigabyte and ASRock and some of
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them don't look too flash now this sort
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of thing isn't that unusual motherboard
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makers release updated boards or even
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visions of existing models all the time
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but what is a bit unusual here is that
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all the new additions are entry level
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type models and they've been released
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rather quietly so I went about snapping
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up these new models for some testing and
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some of the results are very
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disappointing but what's not
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disappointing today's video is sponsored
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by MSI thinking of upgrading your
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monitor now is the perfect time thanks
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to msi's stunning new QD gaming monitors
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with 4K 240 HZ and 1440p 360 HZ options
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there's something for everyone whether
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that's fastpaced Competitive Gaming on
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the elite speed of OLED brilliant HDR
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gaming on these bright immersive well-
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calibrated displays or even creat a work
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backed by a 3-year OLED warranty there's
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tons of connectivity too including KVM
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support I've been very impressed with
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the performance of these MSI QD oleds
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and I strongly recommend them as
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Flagship gaming monitors that will
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satisfy your needs for years to come
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find out more on msi's new range of QD
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OED gaming monitors via the links in the
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description okay we'll start with the
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new MSI Pro b650 m-p which at present
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costs just $120 us and that's much
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cheaper put in their previous entry
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level model the b650 m-a wifi which cost
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$160 us back when I made my original
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Roundup a EUR ago and funnily enough it
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still costs the same amount today now
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when compared to the more expensive a
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version the P looks like a much cheaper
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model featuring just a single small vrm
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heat sink fewer PCI 4.0 slots no WiFi
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and fewer usb3 ports on the io panel
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still it is coming in at a $40 discount
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so that all seems reasonable enough but
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what about the vrm design the a version
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packed 8 55 amp power stages just for
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the vcore portion of the vrm and MSI
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makes note of this on their product page
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but for the new P model they make no
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mention of the power configuration and
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the reason being of course is that the
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vrm on this new model it stinks it uses
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cheap discrete mosfets and they're not
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doubled up so it's going going to be a
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very weak board in terms of power
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delivery the vcor vrm features six
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phasers using cop power SM 437 and SM
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4503 mosfets and this is a substantially
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weaker configuration than the A and I'm
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not confident it can properly power a
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ryzen 9 processor though the CPU
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compatibility page over on the MSI
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website does list support for the 7950 X
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at 170 wats and of course we'll be
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testing that claim shortly also coming
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in below the a is the new b650
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m-b and while I suspect this model is
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meant to be cheaper than the P it's
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currently only listed at a single
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retailer over in the US for $135 us but
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given the board specs that price just
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can't be right if I had to guess I'd say
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this is a $100 to $110 us product now
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the B is one of those models that we'd
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normally just recommend you avoid as it
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doesn't include any vrm heat sinks and
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unlike a Godlike for example this port
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absolutely needs all the cooling support
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it can get that's because we again have
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a six-phase vcor vrm using discrete
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mosfets but this time they're even worse
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Alpha and Omega Parts
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3638 and
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36303 you're also only getting a single
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m.2 port and a single PC 3.0 * 1 slot
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complementing the standard PC 4.0 * 16
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slot
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it's a very basic motherboard which
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isn't a bad thing but I suspect the vrm
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will make it a bad thing but again MSI
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claims on their compatibility page that
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this model will run the ryzen 9
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750x and they claim a wattage of 170
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wats I'm sure they're just listing the
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official TDP there but that may prove to
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be extremely misleading
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now from azrock we have the b650 M Pro
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RS and I thought we'd actually already
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tested this board as I've looked at the
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excellent b650 Pro RS so the ATX version
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Which packs 14 60 amp power stages just
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the Vore vrm and it costs $150 US the
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Micro ATX version though which costs
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slightly less than $135 us doesn't pack
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1460 amp power stages for the vcore
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portion of the vrm rather it has been
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downgraded to 850 amp power stages which
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should still work okay but it is a
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significant downgrade other than that
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the boards are fairly similar the
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configuration of the io panel is very
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similar the Micro ATX model drops a PCI
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slot which makes sense audio networking
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is the same you still get three m.2
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slots USB support is also much the same
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and you do get a good amount of heat syn
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coverage on the board so overall it is a
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decent looking board that should work
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quite well then we have the b650 M PG
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lightning and I'm not sure how I feel
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about this one mostly because I don't
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yet know the pricing over in the US but
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in any case it's still a bit dodgy
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that's because the ATX model so the b650
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PG lightning that packs 14 60 amp power
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stages for the Vore and it works
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exceptionally well the Micro ATX version
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though is armed with just 6 50 amp power
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stages and that is a massive downgrade
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for a board that shares the same name
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the ATX version does cost $200 us and I
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expect the Micro ATX model to be priced
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closer to $100 but even so it's a bit
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dodgy giving two very different products
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almost identical names it's a bit invid
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like and I'm not sure how the b650 mpg
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lightning will handle the ryzen
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979x I suspect that will struggle but
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should do better than some of the other
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boards we have in this budget Round Up
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of course we'll look at that shortly now
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a favorite of mine when it comes to Dirt
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Cheap b650 motherboards is asrock's b650
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M hdv
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slm2 which features 850 amp power stages
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of the vcor and it costs just $120 us so
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when I learned that there was a b650
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m-h m.2 plus I was Keen to check it out
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especially given it costs just $100 us
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this model features the same 650 amp
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power stage vcore vrm as the b650 mpg
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lightning but with fuel capacitor and
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cheaper inductors the heat sink is also
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bigger on the lightning and is secured
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using screws rather than plastic clips
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and lastly also features thermal pads
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covering the inductors which will help
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reduce how much heat is dumped into the
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PCB so it's likely performance here will
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vary between the two models when
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compared to the hdv the H doesn't look
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nearly as good though again the heat
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sink on the vrm is much smaller and the
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hdv also gets full VM coverage along
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with a heat sink on the m.2 slot the hdv
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also comes with a pre-installed IO
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shield and receives 2.5 gbit L whereas
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the H is limited to gigabit and you also
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get 16 USB ports with the hdv whereas
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the H is limited to 12 and the second
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PCI times one slot is full length on the
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hdv so for just $20 more the hdv in my
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opinion is a significantly better
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product
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now for the gigabyte boards and one new
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model that piqued my interest was the
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b650 M gaming WiFi which at present is
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only being sold at PC casy here in
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Australia and it's the cheapest b650
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board they're selling at just $180
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Australian and that makes it one of the
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cheapest b650 motherboards you can buy
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down under in the US though well it is
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yet to go on sale so I have no idea what
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it costs for our American viewers but
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based on the pricing here it should be
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around $140 us at most and it's a decent
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looking board for that price and it has
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gaming in the name so how could you go
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wrong but in all seriousness despite
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gigabyte claiming unparalleled
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performance with a 5 plus 2 plus2 phases
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digital vrm solution it's very trash to
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you so you'll just want to avoid it
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spoiler alert I guess the Vore portion
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of the vrm features just five phases
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using on semi 4C 10n and 4C 06n discrete
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mosfets which isn't going to be enough
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to power a ryzen 9 processor or really
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anything that us as much over 100 Watts
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for sustained load you're also getting
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just two USB 3.2 gen 1 ports in the io
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panel while the other four are just the
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2.0 spec there's just a single m.2 port
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two dim slots and just a single PCI 3.0
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* 1 slot complementing the standard PCI
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4.0 * 16 slot so it is an extremely
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basic motherboard that in some ways even
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manages to lack the basics like storage
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expansion for example and another new
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gigabyte b650 board is the b650
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mcv2 and I'm not entirely sure who this
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model's designed for but I'm sure
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someone in the comments will know and
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let me know if you do anyway it's an
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unusual looking board that drops the
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standard 2.5 gigabit Lan found on
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basically every other b650 motherboard
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for the old school gigabit land you also
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get slow Wi-Fi
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802.11 AC supporting transfer speeds of
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up to 433 megabits per second but quite
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interestingly there are four PCI time 16
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slots in total they're only the primary
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slot connected to the CPU is wide for
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time 16 bandwidth using the 4.0 spec the
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other three time 16 length slots are
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only wide for times one bandwidth using
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the PCI 3.0 spec then for storage
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there's a pair of m.2 slots one supports
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PCI 4.0 * 4 while the other is a PCI 3.0
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* 2 then there is a third m.2 but it's
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vertically mounted for some reason and
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only supports PCI 3.0 * 1 so it's going
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to be of very limited usefulness the io
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also kind of sucks it's mostly loaded
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with USB 2.0 ports there are half a
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dozen in total with just a single USB
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type-c 3.2 gen 1 Port and two USB 3.2
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gen two type A ports when compared to
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the b650 m gaming Wi-Fi you're again
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getting a five-phase vcor but this time
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with doubled up on semi 4C 06 and
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lowside mosfets though you do get just a
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single high side 4C 10n mosfet per phase
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so a better vrm here but it's still not
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great and you only get a very small heat
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sync yet another cheap gigabyte b650
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board is the b650 m K and this one's
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been on the market for some time now and
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can currently be had for just $125 us at
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first glance this one looks a lot better
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than the two models that we've already
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looked at gigabyte claims an 8 phase
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vcor vrm there's four dim slots just two
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M do2s and a single PCI * one slot
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complementing the standard PCI 4.0 * 16
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slot connected to the CPU the iio panel
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features just two USB 3.2 gen 1 ports
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with two 3.2 Gen 2 ports one of which is
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a type c you do get 2.5 GB landan but
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there's no Wi-fi option as for the vcore
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vrm it's a 4 phase using doublers with
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on semi 4 C 06n on the low side and 4
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c01 n mosfets on the high side so three
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more mosfet pairings than the B 650m
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gaming Wi-Fi if the K does indeed end up
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being cheaper than the B 650m gaming
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Wi-Fi then I'm not entirely sure why
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gigabyte released that board well other
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than money making it a rather obvious
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cash
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grab then finally we have the b650 M D3
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HP which appears Mighty similar to the
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b650 MK and the price is also very
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similar at $120 us when compared to the
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K the Q flash button on the io panel has
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been removed and there's no USB 3.2 Gen
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2 ports either just 4 3.2 gen 1 ports
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there are still two m.2 slots but the
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secondary slot connect to the chipset
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but it still supports PCI 4.0 * 4 the
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vrm has also been downgraded to five
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phases for the VOR and this is the same
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configuration seen on the b650
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mcv2 so that means we have doubled up on
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semi 4 c06 and lowside mosfets with a
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single high side 4 c10n per phase it's
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not a great looking board and for $120
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us I suspect there will be better b650
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options so let's get into the test
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[Music]
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results for testing I'm using the height
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y70 touch tempered glass midtower case
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and for cooling the Arctic liquid
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freezer 3 360 mm AR argb AIO then for
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recording temperatures I'm using a
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digital thermometer with kype
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thermocouples and I'll be reporting the
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peak PCB temperature finally I'm not
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reporting delt T over ambient that I
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maintain a room temperature of 21 ° and
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to ensure a constant ambient temperature
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a thermocouple is positioned next to the
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test system as for stress testing I will
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be using the ryzen 9 7950 X and for
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placing load on the CPU I will be using
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Cent bench 2024 which was looped for an
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hour at which point I'm reporting the
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maximum PCB temperature again recorded
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using kype
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thermocouples now please note these
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results won't be comparable to past b650
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results for multiple reasons one being
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that we're using the latest aesa code so
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a completely different bars revision
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there's also new hardware such as the
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case and Cooling and updated software
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for generating the load so let's get
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into the
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results I've added in a few reference
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points and one is the gigabyte b650 orus
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Elite ax it's a $200 board that performs
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very well as a $200 board should we also
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have the gigabyte b650 M ds3h and the
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msib b650 m-a Wi-Fi as they were amongst
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the best value ENT level BS from our
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previous testing and today they cost
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$150 then of course we have the azck
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b650 M hdv slm2 which still costs $120
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and is the best value entry level board
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in our opinion as you can see here the
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b650 mdv M2 peaked at 84° and passed our
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stress test with flying colors keeping
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the 7950 X clocked at over 5.1 GHz for a
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200 WT load and scoring a neat 2,1 4
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points after a 10-minute Loop test so
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consider this to be the Benchmark for
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Budget b650 boards and that being the
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case the new MSI models failed miserably
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the b650 m-b is limited to a package
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power of just 90 wats while the b650 m-p
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it's not much better at 135 wats even
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with a heap of voltage sucked out of the
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750x these boards still ran at over 90°
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and with strict power limits heavily
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throttled the ryzen 9 part the b650 m-b
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saw an average clock frequency of just
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3,980 MHz for a score of just
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1,718 points while the higher power
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limit of the b650 m-p allowed for an
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average clock frequency of 4,620 MHz
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boosting the score to
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1,918 points this means a part like the
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7950 X will run over 20% faster on a
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board such as the b650 mdv when compared
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to the b650 m-b and 10% faster than the-
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P so that means these new MSI boards
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suck given they cost the same amount or
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even more than the
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hdv now the azck b650 mpg lightning has
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a 165 W power limit in place but with
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some decent voltage tuning it still
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produced reasonable results despite
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running at 95° so I've given it a pass
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here I guess though you could
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technically fail it given the operating
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frequency was reduced to 5,50 MHz about
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a 2% reduction when compared to the
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unrestricted boards so it's certainly
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not a good product and again I'm not a
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fan of this model sharing its name with
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the significantly better ATX version
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which ran without power limits and sorry
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Peak vrm temperature of
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71° next we have the gigabyte B 650m
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gaming WiFi and like the new budget MSI
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boards this one is truly awful after an
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hour of load running the 750x it
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throttled down to 100 Watts Where It
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produced a score of just
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1,384 points thanks to an average clock
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frequency of just
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3,415 MHz and to put that into
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perspective if you purchased the b650 M
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ds3h rather than the gaming Wi-Fi you'd
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be looking at almost 60% greater all
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core performance with the 16 core ryzen
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processor meanwhile the B6 50m D3 HP
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wasn't much better averaging 146 wats
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for a frequency of
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3570 MHz and that resulted in a score of
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just
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1,411 points then we see that the newest
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budget board from azck also sucked the
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b650
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m-h m.2 plus it features a 165 W power
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limit but that turned out to be a
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nonissue given the board could only
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average 122 Watts during our test
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resulting in an average frequency of
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just 3,50 MHz and a score of
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1,473 points now that score is higher
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than the d3hp despite a much lower
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average clock frequency and this is
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because these boards handle throttling
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differently so the results won't scale
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in a linear fashion and instead tend to
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end up a bit all over the place it
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really depends on how broken the board
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is under these conditions and how
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handles being broken some gently ease
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the frequency down while others bounce
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between the maximum possible frequency
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they can handle at any given time and
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then Throttle Down as low as 544 MHz for
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a quick break the Asus Prime b650 D plus
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failed our test previously running at
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over 100° and this update saw the board
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hit 112° resulting in some throttling
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for an average frequency of 4,840 MHz
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and a score of
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1,849 points so not good but much better
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than most of the budget boards we've
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seen so far still Asus has done very
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poorly here with their b650 range so
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much so that you have to spend $190 to
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get a board that works well and I guess
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isn't trash and that means their first
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good board would be the tough gaming
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b650 D WiFi another budget option from
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gigabyte is the b650 MK and like most of
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the budget gigabyte b650 boards it
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stinks after an hour of load we saw an
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average clock speed of just 4,3 20 MHz
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and a package power of 186 wat resulting
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in a score of just
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1,79 points they also have the b650 mcv2
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which is the worst b650 board we've come
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across yet and this model averaged just
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shy of 3 GHz for a pathetic score of
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1,120 points so this is a ryzen 5 bought
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if I've ever seen one but of course you
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should just avoid it
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entirely here's a look at the 10-minute
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load results with which were featured on
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the previous graph in text form but here
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we're taking a look at the numbers in
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bar graph form and you can see just how
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much slower the boards that failed our
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test R again the ASRock b650 MPG
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lightning is right on the edge of
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failure and the performance from the
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b650 M Pro RS wasn't great either as the
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board couldn't sustain 200 Watts but at
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least we saw sub 90° temperatures the
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b650 m- hdv m.2 is impressive for a $120
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Bo coming in just 5% slower than the
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best results you're going to see for
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this processor which again isn't bad for
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a 10-minute stress test gigabytes B 650m
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ds3h which has been a favorite of ours
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for some time now was again excellent
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delivering Flag ship life performance
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for just $150 US sadly though most of
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these new budget b650 boards are really
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bad and should be avoided as there are
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significantly better options available
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for similar money
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just on a final note this is why you
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want to avoid short tests when
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evaluating motherboard performance a
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single pass from idle temperatures saw
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most of these bad boards produce
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significantly better scores the gigabyte
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b650 MK for example it's 28% faster here
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as the board never got hot enough from a
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single pass to throttle the CPU that
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said boards such as the gigabyte b650
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mcv2 ASRock b650 m-h m.2 plus and MSI
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Pro b650 m-b are all so bad that we were
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even seeing significant performance
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degradation from a single
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pass well that was a disappointing
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update to our AMD b650 testing in fact
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it's downright horrible previously out
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of the over 30 b650 motherboards I
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tested I found that there were just a
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few Asus boards that you should probably
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avoid the prime b650 plus being one of
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them and that made the b650 range very
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consumer friendly as most models were
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excellent ensuring that if you were to
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upgrade to a more powerful am5 processor
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in the future you could do so knowing
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you had ample power
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delivery but that's all changed now as
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these more recently released models are
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largely trash I really had high hopes
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for these boards as well after all a
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year ago the azrock b650 M hdv proved to
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be an excellent addition delivering
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decent performance for just $120 us yet
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out of these nine new models just two of
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them weren't hot garbage and even those
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models which include the azck b650 mpg
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lightning and b650 M Pro RS they weren't
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exactly amazing well to be fair the b650
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M Pro RS is decent especially given the
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$135 us asking price it is cheaper than
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the ds3h while offering similar vrm
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thermals and performance the b650 mpg
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lightning on the other hand it sucked
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with its 155 W power limit and extremely
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high operating temperatur
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again I also hate how it shares the same
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name with the ATX model which is a
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significantly better product and
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although the matx version is much
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cheaper it's still confusing and
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somewhat
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anti-consumer as for the rest of the
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boards though there isn't too much more
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that needs to be said they're all bad
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the gigabyte b650 md3 HP as an example
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cost just $80 then I might go a bit
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easier on it but sadly none of these
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boards appear to be particularly cheap
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they cost as much or more than the azck
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b650 mdv and they're all significantly
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worse so they simply need not exist now
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you might be thinking those boards would
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work well with a ryzen 5 or maybe even a
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ryzen 7 part and that's probably true
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but one of the big draw cards of the am5
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platform is its
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upgradeability and while you might buy
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ryzen 77700 now and it might work on
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these boards quite well there's a
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reasonable chance you could end up with
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a future generation ryzen 9 processor so
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having the ability to upgrade to any am5
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processor in the future is obviously a
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good thing and especially if you don't
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have to pay a big premium to do so and
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as I just pointed out there are already
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affordable boards such as the b650 mdv
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the ds3h or the b650 ma a Wi-Fi from MSI
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that can handle ryen 9 processor so
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obviously just buy one of those and as a
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side note I really don't like how board
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makers can get away claiming CPU
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compatibility with CPUs that the board
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doesn't properly support yes you can
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argue that technically the 750x works on
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these boards but you're setting a pretty
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low bar on that one and it's far from
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consumer friendly Behavior worse still
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not only is Asus MSI gigabyte and azck
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are all claiming ryzen 9 support on
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these boards that failed our testing but
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they even go as far as to market the
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power delivery of these boards as
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something impressive MSI for example on
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their product page for the b650 m-p
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under the power solution section claim
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core boost technology combines msi's
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premium layout and optimized power
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design which allows for faster and
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undistorted current delivery to the CPU
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at pinpoint Precision not only
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supporting multicore CPU also creating
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perfect conditions for your CPU
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overclocking oh really MSI you can
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overclock on the b650 MP under perfect
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condition itions no less what a load of
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rubbish but it's not just MSI at the
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very top of the b650 M gaming Wi-Fi
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product page gigabyte states that the
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board packs unparalleled performance
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through its 5 plus 2 plus2 phases
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digital vrm solution they then go on to
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elaborate by saying their vrm is and I
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quote designed to support amd's New
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Generation CPUs by offering incredible
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Precision in delivering power to the
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motherboard's most power hungry and
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energy sensitive components as well as
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delivering enhanced system performance
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and ultimate Hardware scalability so a
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lot of Fairly typical marketing BS there
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but at least they're not claiming
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perfect conditions for CPU overclocking
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I guess the azrock b650
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m-h m.2 plus product page starts by
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explaining the board features an
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optimized vrm design not sure what they
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mean by that other than it's optimized
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to save azrock as much money as possible
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they also claim it's optimized for the
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AMD Verizon 7000 x3d series processors
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so I assume that means the 7950 x3d and
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finally Asus they claim on their product
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page that the prime b650 plus and I
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quote stable power is essential to
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extract every last bit of performance
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out of AMD processors the prime b650
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plus is geared to cater to the demands
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of these High Core count CPUs I guess
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someone forgot to tell the marketing
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department at Asus the prime b650 plus
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can't actually get the last bit of
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performance out of all AMD processes
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whoopsie anyway feel like I'm wasting my
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breath at this point this has been a
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major issue for Intel motherboards for
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years now I've called it out in at least
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a dozen videos but nothing seems to
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change and I suppose without consumer
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push back board makers will continue to
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keep quietly releasing boards like what
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we've seen here claiming stuff that the
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boards simply can't do with
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compatibility for stuff like 170 WT
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chips that they don't fully support at
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least in this example though you now
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know which b650 boards that you should
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buy and which ones should be avoided and
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with that I'm going to end this video If
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you enjoyed this update this updated
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b650 testing then please do give it a
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like it was a heap of work and we've
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invested a lot of time testing b650
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motherboards to date but because these
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boards support well should support
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multiple future generations of CPUs
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getting a good one now could uh prove to
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be very beneficial down the track anyway
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