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almost a year ago now I put together a

comprehensive Roundup covering 35 boards

based on amd's b650 chipset and at the

time that was every single b650 board on

the market after months of work I found

that all b650 boards were fit for use

with any am5 processor having tested

them successfully with the ryzen 9

750x and that was a big deal as it meant

you could invest in the am5 plat with

confidence and that's not something

budget Builders have been able to do

with Intel as numerous LGA 1700 boards

have been found to run excessively hot

often resulting in thermal throttling

and therefore a loss of

performance so the fact that you could

go with amd's am5 platform for your next

build and the comfort of knowing that

any ryzen CPU released for the platform

will work is kind of nice or at least it

was while it lasted because recently

I've noticed a few new entry level B6 50

boards popping up online from the likes

of MSI gigabyte and ASRock and some of

them don't look too flash now this sort

of thing isn't that unusual motherboard

makers release updated boards or even

visions of existing models all the time

but what is a bit unusual here is that

all the new additions are entry level

type models and they've been released

rather quietly so I went about snapping

up these new models for some testing and

some of the results are very

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description okay we'll start with the

new MSI Pro b650 m-p which at present

costs just $120 us and that's much

cheaper put in their previous entry

level model the b650 m-a wifi which cost

$160 us back when I made my original

Roundup a EUR ago and funnily enough it

still costs the same amount today now

when compared to the more expensive a

version the P looks like a much cheaper

model featuring just a single small vrm

heat sink fewer PCI 4.0 slots no WiFi

and fewer usb3 ports on the io panel

still it is coming in at a $40 discount

so that all seems reasonable enough but

what about the vrm design the a version

packed 8 55 amp power stages just for

the vcore portion of the vrm and MSI

makes note of this on their product page

but for the new P model they make no

mention of the power configuration and

the reason being of course is that the

vrm on this new model it stinks it uses

cheap discrete mosfets and they're not

doubled up so it's going going to be a

very weak board in terms of power

delivery the vcor vrm features six

phasers using cop power SM 437 and SM

4503 mosfets and this is a substantially

weaker configuration than the A and I'm

not confident it can properly power a

ryzen 9 processor though the CPU

compatibility page over on the MSI

website does list support for the 7950 X

at 170 wats and of course we'll be

testing that claim shortly also coming

in below the a is the new b650

m-b and while I suspect this model is

meant to be cheaper than the P it's

currently only listed at a single

retailer over in the US for $135 us but

given the board specs that price just

can't be right if I had to guess I'd say

this is a $100 to $110 us product now

the B is one of those models that we'd

normally just recommend you avoid as it

doesn't include any vrm heat sinks and

unlike a Godlike for example this port

absolutely needs all the cooling support

it can get that's because we again have

a six-phase vcor vrm using discrete

mosfets but this time they're even worse

Alpha and Omega Parts

3638 and

36303 you're also only getting a single

m.2 port and a single PC 3.0 * 1 slot

complementing the standard PC 4.0 * 16

slot

it's a very basic motherboard which

isn't a bad thing but I suspect the vrm

will make it a bad thing but again MSI

claims on their compatibility page that

this model will run the ryzen 9

750x and they claim a wattage of 170

wats I'm sure they're just listing the

official TDP there but that may prove to

be extremely misleading

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now from azrock we have the b650 M Pro

RS and I thought we'd actually already

tested this board as I've looked at the

excellent b650 Pro RS so the ATX version

Which packs 14 60 amp power stages just

the Vore vrm and it costs $150 US the

Micro ATX version though which costs

slightly less than $135 us doesn't pack

1460 amp power stages for the vcore

portion of the vrm rather it has been

downgraded to 850 amp power stages which

should still work okay but it is a

significant downgrade other than that

the boards are fairly similar the

configuration of the io panel is very

similar the Micro ATX model drops a PCI

slot which makes sense audio networking

is the same you still get three m.2

slots USB support is also much the same

and you do get a good amount of heat syn

coverage on the board so overall it is a

decent looking board that should work

quite well then we have the b650 M PG

lightning and I'm not sure how I feel

about this one mostly because I don't

yet know the pricing over in the US but

in any case it's still a bit dodgy

that's because the ATX model so the b650

PG lightning that packs 14 60 amp power

stages for the Vore and it works

exceptionally well the Micro ATX version

though is armed with just 6 50 amp power

stages and that is a massive downgrade

for a board that shares the same name

the ATX version does cost $200 us and I

expect the Micro ATX model to be priced

closer to $100 but even so it's a bit

dodgy giving two very different products

almost identical names it's a bit invid

like and I'm not sure how the b650 mpg

lightning will handle the ryzen

979x I suspect that will struggle but

should do better than some of the other

boards we have in this budget Round Up

of course we'll look at that shortly now

a favorite of mine when it comes to Dirt

Cheap b650 motherboards is asrock's b650

M hdv

slm2 which features 850 amp power stages

of the vcor and it costs just $120 us so

when I learned that there was a b650

m-h m.2 plus I was Keen to check it out

especially given it costs just $100 us

this model features the same 650 amp

power stage vcore vrm as the b650 mpg

lightning but with fuel capacitor and

cheaper inductors the heat sink is also

bigger on the lightning and is secured

using screws rather than plastic clips

and lastly also features thermal pads

covering the inductors which will help

reduce how much heat is dumped into the

PCB so it's likely performance here will

vary between the two models when

compared to the hdv the H doesn't look

nearly as good though again the heat

sink on the vrm is much smaller and the

hdv also gets full VM coverage along

with a heat sink on the m.2 slot the hdv

also comes with a pre-installed IO

shield and receives 2.5 gbit L whereas

the H is limited to gigabit and you also

get 16 USB ports with the hdv whereas

the H is limited to 12 and the second

PCI times one slot is full length on the

hdv so for just $20 more the hdv in my

opinion is a significantly better

product

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now for the gigabyte boards and one new

model that piqued my interest was the

b650 M gaming WiFi which at present is

only being sold at PC casy here in

Australia and it's the cheapest b650

board they're selling at just $180

Australian and that makes it one of the

cheapest b650 motherboards you can buy

down under in the US though well it is

yet to go on sale so I have no idea what

it costs for our American viewers but

based on the pricing here it should be

around $140 us at most and it's a decent

looking board for that price and it has

gaming in the name so how could you go

wrong but in all seriousness despite

gigabyte claiming unparalleled

performance with a 5 plus 2 plus2 phases

digital vrm solution it's very trash to

you so you'll just want to avoid it

spoiler alert I guess the Vore portion

of the vrm features just five phases

using on semi 4C 10n and 4C 06n discrete

mosfets which isn't going to be enough

to power a ryzen 9 processor or really

anything that us as much over 100 Watts

for sustained load you're also getting

just two USB 3.2 gen 1 ports in the io

panel while the other four are just the

2.0 spec there's just a single m.2 port

two dim slots and just a single PCI 3.0

* 1 slot complementing the standard PCI

4.0 * 16 slot so it is an extremely

basic motherboard that in some ways even

manages to lack the basics like storage

expansion for example and another new

gigabyte b650 board is the b650

mcv2 and I'm not entirely sure who this

model's designed for but I'm sure

someone in the comments will know and

let me know if you do anyway it's an

unusual looking board that drops the

standard 2.5 gigabit Lan found on

basically every other b650 motherboard

for the old school gigabit land you also

get slow Wi-Fi

802.11 AC supporting transfer speeds of

up to 433 megabits per second but quite

interestingly there are four PCI time 16

slots in total they're only the primary

slot connected to the CPU is wide for

time 16 bandwidth using the 4.0 spec the

other three time 16 length slots are

only wide for times one bandwidth using

the PCI 3.0 spec then for storage

there's a pair of m.2 slots one supports

PCI 4.0 * 4 while the other is a PCI 3.0

* 2 then there is a third m.2 but it's

vertically mounted for some reason and

only supports PCI 3.0 * 1 so it's going

to be of very limited usefulness the io

also kind of sucks it's mostly loaded

with USB 2.0 ports there are half a

dozen in total with just a single USB

type-c 3.2 gen 1 Port and two USB 3.2

gen two type A ports when compared to

the b650 m gaming Wi-Fi you're again

getting a five-phase vcor but this time

with doubled up on semi 4C 06 and

lowside mosfets though you do get just a

single high side 4C 10n mosfet per phase

so a better vrm here but it's still not

great and you only get a very small heat

sync yet another cheap gigabyte b650

board is the b650 m K and this one's

been on the market for some time now and

can currently be had for just $125 us at

first glance this one looks a lot better

than the two models that we've already

looked at gigabyte claims an 8 phase

vcor vrm there's four dim slots just two

M do2s and a single PCI * one slot

complementing the standard PCI 4.0 * 16

slot connected to the CPU the iio panel

features just two USB 3.2 gen 1 ports

with two 3.2 Gen 2 ports one of which is

a type c you do get 2.5 GB landan but

there's no Wi-fi option as for the vcore

vrm it's a 4 phase using doublers with

on semi 4 C 06n on the low side and 4

c01 n mosfets on the high side so three

more mosfet pairings than the B 650m

gaming Wi-Fi if the K does indeed end up

being cheaper than the B 650m gaming

Wi-Fi then I'm not entirely sure why

gigabyte released that board well other

than money making it a rather obvious

cash

grab then finally we have the b650 M D3

HP which appears Mighty similar to the

b650 MK and the price is also very

similar at $120 us when compared to the

K the Q flash button on the io panel has

been removed and there's no USB 3.2 Gen

2 ports either just 4 3.2 gen 1 ports

there are still two m.2 slots but the

secondary slot connect to the chipset

but it still supports PCI 4.0 * 4 the

vrm has also been downgraded to five

phases for the VOR and this is the same

configuration seen on the b650

mcv2 so that means we have doubled up on

semi 4 c06 and lowside mosfets with a

single high side 4 c10n per phase it's

not a great looking board and for $120

us I suspect there will be better b650

options so let's get into the test

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results for testing I'm using the height

y70 touch tempered glass midtower case

and for cooling the Arctic liquid

freezer 3 360 mm AR argb AIO then for

recording temperatures I'm using a

digital thermometer with kype

thermocouples and I'll be reporting the

peak PCB temperature finally I'm not

reporting delt T over ambient that I

maintain a room temperature of 21 ° and

to ensure a constant ambient temperature

a thermocouple is positioned next to the

test system as for stress testing I will

be using the ryzen 9 7950 X and for

placing load on the CPU I will be using

Cent bench 2024 which was looped for an

hour at which point I'm reporting the

maximum PCB temperature again recorded

using kype

thermocouples now please note these

results won't be comparable to past b650

results for multiple reasons one being

that we're using the latest aesa code so

a completely different bars revision

there's also new hardware such as the

case and Cooling and updated software

for generating the load so let's get

into the

results I've added in a few reference

points and one is the gigabyte b650 orus

Elite ax it's a $200 board that performs

very well as a $200 board should we also

have the gigabyte b650 M ds3h and the

msib b650 m-a Wi-Fi as they were amongst

the best value ENT level BS from our

previous testing and today they cost

$150 then of course we have the azck

b650 M hdv slm2 which still costs $120

and is the best value entry level board

in our opinion as you can see here the

b650 mdv M2 peaked at 84° and passed our

stress test with flying colors keeping

the 7950 X clocked at over 5.1 GHz for a

200 WT load and scoring a neat 2,1 4

points after a 10-minute Loop test so

consider this to be the Benchmark for

Budget b650 boards and that being the

case the new MSI models failed miserably

the b650 m-b is limited to a package

power of just 90 wats while the b650 m-p

it's not much better at 135 wats even

with a heap of voltage sucked out of the

750x these boards still ran at over 90°

and with strict power limits heavily

throttled the ryzen 9 part the b650 m-b

saw an average clock frequency of just

3,980 MHz for a score of just

1,718 points while the higher power

limit of the b650 m-p allowed for an

average clock frequency of 4,620 MHz

boosting the score to

1,918 points this means a part like the

7950 X will run over 20% faster on a

board such as the b650 mdv when compared

to the b650 m-b and 10% faster than the-

P so that means these new MSI boards

suck given they cost the same amount or

even more than the

hdv now the azck b650 mpg lightning has

a 165 W power limit in place but with

some decent voltage tuning it still

produced reasonable results despite

running at 95° so I've given it a pass

here I guess though you could

technically fail it given the operating

frequency was reduced to 5,50 MHz about

a 2% reduction when compared to the

unrestricted boards so it's certainly

not a good product and again I'm not a

fan of this model sharing its name with

the significantly better ATX version

which ran without power limits and sorry

Peak vrm temperature of

71° next we have the gigabyte B 650m

gaming WiFi and like the new budget MSI

boards this one is truly awful after an

hour of load running the 750x it

throttled down to 100 Watts Where It

produced a score of just

1,384 points thanks to an average clock

frequency of just

3,415 MHz and to put that into

perspective if you purchased the b650 M

ds3h rather than the gaming Wi-Fi you'd

be looking at almost 60% greater all

core performance with the 16 core ryzen

processor meanwhile the B6 50m D3 HP

wasn't much better averaging 146 wats

for a frequency of

3570 MHz and that resulted in a score of

just

1,411 points then we see that the newest

budget board from azck also sucked the

b650

m-h m.2 plus it features a 165 W power

limit but that turned out to be a

nonissue given the board could only

average 122 Watts during our test

resulting in an average frequency of

just 3,50 MHz and a score of

1,473 points now that score is higher

than the d3hp despite a much lower

average clock frequency and this is

because these boards handle throttling

differently so the results won't scale

in a linear fashion and instead tend to

end up a bit all over the place it

really depends on how broken the board

is under these conditions and how

handles being broken some gently ease

the frequency down while others bounce

between the maximum possible frequency

they can handle at any given time and

then Throttle Down as low as 544 MHz for

a quick break the Asus Prime b650 D plus

failed our test previously running at

over 100° and this update saw the board

hit 112° resulting in some throttling

for an average frequency of 4,840 MHz

and a score of

1,849 points so not good but much better

than most of the budget boards we've

seen so far still Asus has done very

poorly here with their b650 range so

much so that you have to spend $190 to

get a board that works well and I guess

isn't trash and that means their first

good board would be the tough gaming

b650 D WiFi another budget option from

gigabyte is the b650 MK and like most of

the budget gigabyte b650 boards it

stinks after an hour of load we saw an

average clock speed of just 4,3 20 MHz

and a package power of 186 wat resulting

in a score of just

1,79 points they also have the b650 mcv2

which is the worst b650 board we've come

across yet and this model averaged just

shy of 3 GHz for a pathetic score of

1,120 points so this is a ryzen 5 bought

if I've ever seen one but of course you

should just avoid it

entirely here's a look at the 10-minute

load results with which were featured on

the previous graph in text form but here

we're taking a look at the numbers in

bar graph form and you can see just how

much slower the boards that failed our

test R again the ASRock b650 MPG

lightning is right on the edge of

failure and the performance from the

b650 M Pro RS wasn't great either as the

board couldn't sustain 200 Watts but at

least we saw sub 90° temperatures the

b650 m- hdv m.2 is impressive for a $120

Bo coming in just 5% slower than the

best results you're going to see for

this processor which again isn't bad for

a 10-minute stress test gigabytes B 650m

ds3h which has been a favorite of ours

for some time now was again excellent

delivering Flag ship life performance

for just $150 US sadly though most of

these new budget b650 boards are really

bad and should be avoided as there are

significantly better options available

for similar money

just on a final note this is why you

want to avoid short tests when

evaluating motherboard performance a

single pass from idle temperatures saw

most of these bad boards produce

significantly better scores the gigabyte

b650 MK for example it's 28% faster here

as the board never got hot enough from a

single pass to throttle the CPU that

said boards such as the gigabyte b650

mcv2 ASRock b650 m-h m.2 plus and MSI

Pro b650 m-b are all so bad that we were

even seeing significant performance

degradation from a single

pass well that was a disappointing

update to our AMD b650 testing in fact

it's downright horrible previously out

of the over 30 b650 motherboards I

tested I found that there were just a

few Asus boards that you should probably

avoid the prime b650 plus being one of

them and that made the b650 range very

consumer friendly as most models were

excellent ensuring that if you were to

upgrade to a more powerful am5 processor

in the future you could do so knowing

you had ample power

delivery but that's all changed now as

these more recently released models are

largely trash I really had high hopes

for these boards as well after all a

year ago the azrock b650 M hdv proved to

be an excellent addition delivering

decent performance for just $120 us yet

out of these nine new models just two of

them weren't hot garbage and even those

models which include the azck b650 mpg

lightning and b650 M Pro RS they weren't

exactly amazing well to be fair the b650

M Pro RS is decent especially given the

$135 us asking price it is cheaper than

the ds3h while offering similar vrm

thermals and performance the b650 mpg

lightning on the other hand it sucked

with its 155 W power limit and extremely

high operating temperatur

again I also hate how it shares the same

name with the ATX model which is a

significantly better product and

although the matx version is much

cheaper it's still confusing and

somewhat

anti-consumer as for the rest of the

boards though there isn't too much more

that needs to be said they're all bad

the gigabyte b650 md3 HP as an example

cost just $80 then I might go a bit

easier on it but sadly none of these

boards appear to be particularly cheap

they cost as much or more than the azck

b650 mdv and they're all significantly

worse so they simply need not exist now

you might be thinking those boards would

work well with a ryzen 5 or maybe even a

ryzen 7 part and that's probably true

but one of the big draw cards of the am5

platform is its

upgradeability and while you might buy

ryzen 77700 now and it might work on

these boards quite well there's a

reasonable chance you could end up with

a future generation ryzen 9 processor so

having the ability to upgrade to any am5

processor in the future is obviously a

good thing and especially if you don't

have to pay a big premium to do so and

as I just pointed out there are already

affordable boards such as the b650 mdv

the ds3h or the b650 ma a Wi-Fi from MSI

that can handle ryen 9 processor so

obviously just buy one of those and as a

side note I really don't like how board

makers can get away claiming CPU

compatibility with CPUs that the board

doesn't properly support yes you can

argue that technically the 750x works on

these boards but you're setting a pretty

low bar on that one and it's far from

consumer friendly Behavior worse still

not only is Asus MSI gigabyte and azck

are all claiming ryzen 9 support on

these boards that failed our testing but

they even go as far as to market the

power delivery of these boards as

something impressive MSI for example on

their product page for the b650 m-p

under the power solution section claim

core boost technology combines msi's

premium layout and optimized power

design which allows for faster and

undistorted current delivery to the CPU

at pinpoint Precision not only

supporting multicore CPU also creating

perfect conditions for your CPU

overclocking oh really MSI you can

overclock on the b650 MP under perfect

condition itions no less what a load of

rubbish but it's not just MSI at the

very top of the b650 M gaming Wi-Fi

product page gigabyte states that the

board packs unparalleled performance

through its 5 plus 2 plus2 phases

digital vrm solution they then go on to

elaborate by saying their vrm is and I

quote designed to support amd's New

Generation CPUs by offering incredible

Precision in delivering power to the

motherboard's most power hungry and

energy sensitive components as well as

delivering enhanced system performance

and ultimate Hardware scalability so a

lot of Fairly typical marketing BS there

but at least they're not claiming

perfect conditions for CPU overclocking

I guess the azrock b650

m-h m.2 plus product page starts by

explaining the board features an

optimized vrm design not sure what they

mean by that other than it's optimized

to save azrock as much money as possible

they also claim it's optimized for the

AMD Verizon 7000 x3d series processors

so I assume that means the 7950 x3d and

finally Asus they claim on their product

page that the prime b650 plus and I

quote stable power is essential to

extract every last bit of performance

out of AMD processors the prime b650

plus is geared to cater to the demands

of these High Core count CPUs I guess

someone forgot to tell the marketing

department at Asus the prime b650 plus

can't actually get the last bit of

performance out of all AMD processes

whoopsie anyway feel like I'm wasting my

breath at this point this has been a

major issue for Intel motherboards for

years now I've called it out in at least

a dozen videos but nothing seems to

change and I suppose without consumer

push back board makers will continue to

keep quietly releasing boards like what

we've seen here claiming stuff that the

boards simply can't do with

compatibility for stuff like 170 WT

chips that they don't fully support at

least in this example though you now

know which b650 boards that you should

buy and which ones should be avoided and

with that I'm going to end this video If

you enjoyed this update this updated

b650 testing then please do give it a

like it was a heap of work and we've

invested a lot of time testing b650

motherboards to date but because these

boards support well should support

multiple future generations of CPUs

getting a good one now could uh prove to

be very beneficial down the track anyway

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