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MISSION CONTROL:
Ignition sequence start.
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NARRATOR:
It is humankind's
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most profound achievement.
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MISSION CONTROL:
Three, two, one, liftoff.
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We have a liftoff.
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NARRATOR:
Blasting off from planet Earth
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to journey to the stars.
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JERRY LINENGER:
Going to space--
it's incredible,
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and it blows your mind
to think that people can
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figure out
how to make that happen.
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NARRATOR:
But could our voyages
into the cosmos
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be even more extraordinary
than we know?
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BUZZ ALDRIN:
I'm looking out the window
and I said,
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"What's that?"
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NARRATOR:
Ancient astronaut theorist
Giorgio Tsoukalos
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is joined by author
David Childress
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and aerospace engineer
Dr. Travis Taylor
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in an attempt
to answer the question:
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Is our space program
being monitored
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by extraterrestrials?
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And if so, are they waiting
for the human race
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to fulfill its destiny
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as space travelers?
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TRAVIS TAYLOR:
We have to leave
this solar system
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if we want humanity to survive.
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GIORGIO TSOUKALOS:
I think it is wired within
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all of us that
we instinctively know
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that we come from the stars,
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and this is why we would
like to go back.
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NARRATOR:
There is a doorway
in the universe.
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Beyond it
is the promise of truth.
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It demands
we question everything
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we have ever been taught.
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The evidence is all around us.
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The future is
right before our eyes.
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We are not alone.
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We have never been alone.
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I'm excited to be here
with you guys to talk
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about everything that's going on
with space exploration.
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I think it's a natural
part of evolution
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to actually go back
to the stars.
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I deliberately say
"go back to the stars"
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or "return to the stars"
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because, according to
the ancient astronaut theory,
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that is where we came from.
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DAVID CHILDRESS:
SpaceX now has sent astronauts
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to the International
Space Station,
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and so we've now entered
a whole new era
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of space exploration--
one that's privatized.
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Yeah, well, we're at a point
right now that, uh,
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if you have $20 million,
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the Russians will send you
on a trip in space.
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You can go to
the International Space Station.
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Think about this:
there are a lot
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of people on this planet
that $20 million
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means nothing to,
and, before long,
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it'll be even cheaper than that.
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Like Elon Musk and Bob Bigelow,
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the next big commercial
space guy isn't gonna care.
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If they want to go to Mars,
who's to stop them?
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-They're gonna go to Mars.
-CHILDRESS: And they
don't have to go
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with some protocols or
government-- I mean, they can
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-just do what they want.
Is that what you're saying?
-TAYLOR: That's exactly right.
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Long as they're not
violating some,
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you know, uh,
commerce law or whatever,
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but what we know
right now-- the treaties say
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that space is the wild frontier.
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It is like international
waters in the ocean.
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You're at maritime law once you
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get out of low Earth orbit.
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Yeah, I-- to me,
it's very exciting.
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And now with more launches,
the probability of seeing
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extraterrestrials will increase.
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I really think that
we are destined to explore
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our own solar system
and then go beyond
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because this is
part of who we are.
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-I agree.
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type of curiosity
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is hardwired within us.
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-It's in our, in our DNA.
That's what you're saying.
-TSOUKALOS: In our DNA
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that we have to explore.
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CHILDRESS:
I think the one thing that's...
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that's interesting here, too,
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is that the whole idea that
there is extraterrestrials
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and, um, UFOs
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coming here-- that was all part
of the Russian space program.
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It's actually part of their--
I wouldn't call it religion,
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but their metaphysics.
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The Soviet Union
promoted cosmism.
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Cosmism, right.
Cosmism, uh, taught that--
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-Yeah, we're-- life on
planet Earth came from space...
-Came from...
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...and-and it was our destiny
to go back into space.
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NARRATOR:
At the end of the 19th century,
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Russian philosophers
envisioned a radical new theory
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about the origins of humanity
called "cosmism."
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You can think of cosmism
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almost as a Russian version
of ancient astronaut theory.
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It takes as its start point
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the fact that perhaps
we come from the stars
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and its endpoint to
we need to go back to the stars.
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This is considered to be
the-the motivating factor
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behind the
Russian space program.
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The Russian cosmist
point of view
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proposed that
Russia's ultimate future
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was to colonize space,
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and that, in fact, it was
a-a spiritual prerogative
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to get out into space.
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NARRATOR:
In May 1903,
Konstantin Tsiolkovsky,
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a cosmist and mathematician
from Kaluga, Russia,
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published a landmark paper
on rocket science entitled
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"Exploration of Outer Space
by Means of Rocket Devices."
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At a time when most of the world
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did not have automobiles
or even electricity,
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Tsiolkovsky was trying
to figure out how to travel
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to the stars.
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One hypothesis he proposed,
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called "the ideal
rocket equation,"
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calculated the amount of
velocity needed to lift
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an aircraft into outer space.
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Amazingly, that 1903 equation
was used directly
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in the launch of Sputnik 1.
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So it was hugely influential,
and it worked.
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NARRATOR:
What led Tsiolkovsky
and other cosmists
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to subscribe to such
extraordinary beliefs?
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Ancient astronaut
theorists believe
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the answer can be found
in Tsiolkovsky's own writings,
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in which he described receiving
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an extraterrestrial message
from the stars.
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NARRATOR:
Tsiolkovsky's work
ushered in a new era
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of human exploration,
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motivating the Russian
government to send cosmonaut
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Yuri Gagarin to space in 1961.
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Could it be that the goal
of the Soviet cosmonaut program
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was not only to demonstrate
technological superiority
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but to connect
with extraterrestrial beings?
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So do we know of any stories
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that could relate
some type of a UFO encounter?
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-The Russian cosmonauts
have quite a few stories.
-Okay.
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And a famous one happened
in 1984, when three cosmonauts
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were on
the Salyut 7 space station.
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NARRATOR:
Orbiting 172 miles
above the Earth, the Salyut 7
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was Russia's scientific
research space station.
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On July 12, 1984,
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cosmonauts Oleg Atkov,
Leonid Kizim
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and Vladimir Solovyov
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were on board the spacecraft
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when they witnessed
an extraordinary event.
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During the Salyut 7 mission,
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Soviet cosmonauts
had a bizarre encounter.
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The spacecraft was surrounded
by a strange glow,
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and all of a sudden,
they saw immense figures
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outside in space.
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The three cosmonauts saw
something at one of the windows
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that looked like--
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they-they described it as,
like, an orange glow
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that looked like human faces,
but they were huge,
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like, the size of a jet plane,
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and they couldn't explain
what it was.
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NARRATOR:
What makes this event even more
compelling to researchers
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is that the cosmonauts
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not only described
the same bizarre vision,
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but they also
reported being overcome
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with a strange feeling.
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NICK POPE:
The Salyut 7 encounter--
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the cosmonauts felt
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a sort of sense of well-being,
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and that's interesting
because it's counterintuitive.
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You would think that,
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in that difficult and
dangerous environment of space,
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when something unusual happens,
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the natural instinct
would be to panic,
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and yet quite the opposite
seems to have happened.
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LINENGER:
I was on a Russian space
station for five months--
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myself, two Russian cosmonauts,
spoke Russian the whole time.
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And, you know, they'll tell you
stories about old Salyut 7,
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uh, where they had a couple
cosmonauts that said they felt
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sort of the presence of angels.
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And it gave them kind of
a good, comfortable feeling.
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NARRATOR:
Could the sense of well-being
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experienced by
the Salyut 7 cosmonauts
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indicate they were
in the presence of beings
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from another world?
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Is it possible that they
encountered similar entities
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to the ones reported
by famous cosmist
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Konstantin Tsiolkovsky?
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Might they actually be the same
as what the cosmonauts saw
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from Salyut 7?
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And that's interesting
because this is the Russian idea
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that when we do go to the stars,
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we will encounter
extraterrestrials
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is thus inextricably bound up
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with cosmism and the whole
Russian view of space.
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The Russian cosmonauts were
more open to the whole idea
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that the aliens are
coming here, and there are
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many curious episodes
that have happened in space,
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and we're also curious
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about what astronauts
see while they're up there--
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on the Moon or in these
space stations, on spacewalks.
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TSOUKALOS:
But, you know,
one of the best people
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to ask these questions
would be an astronaut,
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and so I have Dr. Leroy Chiao,
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an actual astronaut,
waiting with a video call.
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I can't wait to see that.
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We actually have
Dr. Leroy Chiao,
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an astronaut,
waiting for us on a Zoom call.
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So let's see what
he has to say about this.
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-CHILDRESS: Hi, Leroy.
-TAYLOR: Hello, Dr. Chiao.
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-How are you doing?
Pleasure to meet you.
-CHIAO: Hey, guys.
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-Excellent. How are you guys?
-CHILDRESS: Good.
-TSOUKALOS: Good. Thank you.
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Nice Saturn V model
you have in the background.
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Thanks. Thank you. [laughs]
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So tell us, I mean,
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not many people
have been to outer space,
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and I think one of
the most basic question is:
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How does it feel?
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Sure. I mean, it's really
a special, uh, experience,
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as you can imagine,
especially the very first time
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you get actually into the
vehicle and launched into space.
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More emotional than I expected.
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Of course, I looked back at the
Earth once we got into orbit,
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saw how beautiful
our Earth is with the colors
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being so bright and--
quite an emotional experience.
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How many missions did you have?
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I flew four missions into space.
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My first three missions
were aboard space shuttles,
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and my fourth flight,
I trained with the Russians,
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and we launched
the International Space Station,
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where I served as the commander
and NASA Science Officer
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during Expedition 10, which was
a six-and-a-half-month flight.
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I'm very interested in
any unexplainable events that
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you might have seen
or experienced.
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Have you ever seen something
that you couldn't explain?
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Yes. Actually, yeah, I did.
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You know, on my last spacewalk
during my space station mission,
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we were in that twilight,
you know, time between
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going from darkness into light.
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And I saw what looked like
four or five lights
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flying by in formation, and it
was like, "Whoa, what is that?"
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And I called out in Russian
to my Russian crewmate,
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and he was also outside with me.
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I said, "Hey, did you see
those lights fly by?"
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And he was facing the other way,
so he didn't see them.
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CHILDRESS:
So when you see the lights
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-going by you...
-Yeah. Mm-hmm.
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...you thought
they were perhaps UFOs?
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You know, at the time,
I didn't know what they were.
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It wasn't until later,
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after we landed,
somebody had figured out
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that we were off the coast
of South America.
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Said that I had seen
a line of fishing boats
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using very bright lights
to attract squid.
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But wouldn't you see
the lights of Buenos Aires
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or Montevideo at the same time?
Because that's where
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-those squid boats are.
-Normally you would.
Normally you would.
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But, you know, who knows?
I wasn't sure which
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direction I was facing because
we were in that twilight,
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and I couldn't tell
which direction was the Earth
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and which direction
was deep space.
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TAYLOR:
So, uh, it's really interesting.
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A lot of people
don't realize this--
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other astronauts throughout
history have claimed
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to have seen things
that were not explained.
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Yeah.
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TAYLOR:
Gordon Cooper claims he saw one.
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John Glenn saw the fireflies
around his spacecraft.
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Buzz Aldrin claimed to have
seen things near Earth
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that we can't explain.
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NARRATOR:
According to UFO researchers,
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an extraordinary sighting
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was reported during
NASA's most famous mission.
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In July of 1969, while Apollo 11
was traveling towards the Moon,
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Buzz Aldrin noticed
that there was something
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kind of trailing them
outside one of the windows.
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And he and Neil Armstrong tried
to figure out what could it be.
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ALDRIN: I'm looking out
the window, and I say,
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"What's that"?
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There's an object that's moving
with respect to everything else.
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Geez, it's not supposed
to be doing that.
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I wonder how far away it is.
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If it's a long ways away,
it's going mighty fast.
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If it's not too far away,
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it, uh, maybe isn't
going very fast.
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Wonder what it is.
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"Hey, Neil, look at this."
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We look at it.
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"God, what is that?"
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"Probably the, uh,
upper stage rocket."
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"Yeah, but didn't we just
watch that thing carefully...
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"out in front of us,
out the window,
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light its engine and go..."
[imitates whooshing]
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Well, I guess that's not what
we're looking at, [chuckles]
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'cause that's a long ways away.
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What's the odds that it's...
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some alien or Russian
or something else?
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But we were not about to cancel
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the Moon mission
and putt-putt over there
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to find out which one it was.
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[chuckles]
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POPE:
Few UFO sightings by astronauts
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are as controversial than
the ones involving Buzz Aldrin.
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Effectively, the believers say
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that UFOs
followed him to the Moon.
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Some even say that
when they got to the Moon,
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they were there
already waiting for them.
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CHILDRESS:
Leroy, when you were
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up in space
with your fellow astronauts,
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including the Russians,
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did you ever talk about
extraterrestrials or UFOs?
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Was that ever a subject?
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Yeah, I think there's no doubt
a lot of us astronauts have seen
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some weird things, and we don't
know for sure what they are.
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NARRATOR:
One astronaut who experienced
something he could not explain
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is Jerry Linenger,
a man who logged an incredible
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50 million miles
in space travel in the 1990s
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and survived the most severe
fire ever experienced
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aboard an orbiting spacecraft.
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So I had the privilege
of flying on a shuttle flight,
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which was incredible.
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And living on
the space station Mir--
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a Russian space station.
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So people ask me,
"Have you seen a UFO?"
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And, you know, I-I don't want
to take this out of context,
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but unidentified
flying objects? Yes.
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I think we've all seen something
that we're not exactly sure
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what that is up there.
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When I was on the Russian space
station, there was one time
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I saw sort of a white
globular looking thing.
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Kind of looked like
a misshaped snowball,
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kind of off in the distance,
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and I actually called one of
my cosmonaut crewmates over.
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I said, you know,
"What the heck is that?"
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And he says, you know,
"I don't know."
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And then we kind of
scratched our heads.
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Said, well, "Maybe an ice chunk
off the external tank
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and it's crossing
our path again."
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You know, who knows?
But it was definitely something
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that neither of us
could identify.
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It's not uncommon
to see these things.
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I certainly, uh, wasn't shy
about talking about
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the-the strange lights
I thought were flying by.
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You know,
I kind of didn't really
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formally report it per se,
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but I-I said it in the clear
in a radio transmission
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to my partner to see
if he could see them, too.
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The probability of, you know,
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an intelligent vehicle
coming to visit us--
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uh, I think that's unlikely,
but the probability's not zero.
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TAYLOR:
But do you think that maybe
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they saw something
like you did that...
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-that we just didn't figure out
what the actual thing was...
-Mm-hmm.
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...or maybe there were things
that-that we can't explain?
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Well, you know, never say never.
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I mean, uh, I-I for one
would never say
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that I know everything,
you know,
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and I can explain everything.
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I firmly believe
there's intelligent life
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all over the universe.
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In fact, I think it's the height
of arrogance, uh, for us
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here on Earth to think
that we are the only ones
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in the universe
that-that are intelligent.
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-TAYLOR: Well, thank you.
-CHILDRESS: Great
talking to you.
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Yeah. Nice talking
to you guys. Thanks.
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-True pleasure. Thank you.
-Take care. Bye.
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TSOUKALOS:
Wow.
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I think it's great that,
you know, Leroy has
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had these
interesting experiences.
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He's seen things that
he couldn't explain,
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although they've been
explained to him now.
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But lots of astronauts
have seen unusual things...
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If... if you subscribe to that,
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but let's agree
with him and say,
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"Okay. There is
a natural explanation
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-for this particular example."
-Sure.
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But there are countless
other encounters
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that I always found fascinating.
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CHILDRESS:
People within space programs
keep things secret.
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Within the, I think, NASA,
an American space program,
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there was more of
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an effort to not have
those discussions
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of-of possible UFOs,
of possible extraterrestrials.
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The reason the American
astronauts didn't do that
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is because of the stupid
Brookings Report.
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When the Brookings Report
came out in 1960
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after the beginning
of the Mercury program,
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the final conclusion was that
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the general public
would go nuts if they were told
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of any evidence
of extraterrestrial life.
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Yeah, they warn-- they warned
against that. Yeah.
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And so, and so
the astronaut program,
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all up through the shuttle era,
was given that...
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the-the philosophy,
if not orders,
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if you see something like
that, we don't talk about it.
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-You call it...
-And you call it a--
you call it a bogey.
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NARRATOR:
According to UFO researchers,
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one of the first incidents
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involving the cover-up of an
unidentified sighting in space
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took place on December 4, 1965,
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shortly after
the Gemini 7 blasted off
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from Cape Canaveral, Florida,
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as the 12th
American spaceflight.
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On board were astronauts
Frank Borman and Jim Lovell.
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Just hours into their mission,
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they reported
an unusual sighting from orbit.
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They radio down to NASA
that they had a bogey
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outside the window.
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They did actually see something
that was strange in orbit,
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and they didn't
immediately know what it was.
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BILL BIRNES:
NASA control
is furious about this.
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"Don't report this.
What are you doing?
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Oh, it's-it's just debris,
booster rocket debris."
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But no. The astronauts
fully maintained--
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and this is multiple witness--
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these are craft flying with
the Gemini capsules.
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And the whole thing is
hushed up when they land.
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They watched it
and were stunned.
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I mean, they-they didn't
have an explanation.
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They hadn't expected it at all,
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and still don't know
what they saw.
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What you have is a bona fide
unexplained phenomena,
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uh, looking out the window
of your spacecraft.
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Edgar Mitchell
is another astronaut.
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-I mean, he spent his whole
post-astronaut life...
-Yes.
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-...promoting, you know,
extraterrestrial contact...
-Absolutely.
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...and the belief in
extraterrestrials.
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So here's
a NASA astronaut who's--
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you know, is totally
on board with this,
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that, you know,
we are being visited.
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NARRATOR:
Astronaut Edgar Mitchell served
as the lunar module pilot
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on Apollo 14.
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On February 5, 1971,
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he made history when he
completed the third Moon landing
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and became the sixth person
to ever walk on the Moon.
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Apollo 14 was the first,
uh, mission to the Moon
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to begin
the science exploration.
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We landed in
the Fra Mauro Highlands,
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and our-our purpose there
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was to set up
science, uh, instruments there,
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to make a geology trek
up to the top of Cone crater
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and bring back samples,
which we did.
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NARRATOR:
Four over nine hours,
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Mitchell and mission commander
Alan Shepard
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explored the lunar surface.
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But according to Mitchell,
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for him, the most significant
part of their voyage
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occurred as they were
returning to Earth.
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After I had done all my work,
and we were on the way home,
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I suddenly had
an experience, uh,
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which I will describe
as ecstasy and exhilaration.
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00:22:44,406 --> 00:22:48,367
And I realized everything
is part of the same thing.
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And I realized that, perhaps,
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that with this experience,
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maybe the story of ourselves,
as told by our science,
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was incomplete
and perhaps flawed
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and that maybe
what we should be doing now
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is look very seriously again at:
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What is our origin? What is
our place in the universe?
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And that was
kind of the epiphany,
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the experience I had in space.
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NARRATOR:
Years later, Mitchell's
life-changing experience
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inspired him
to start investigating
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the UFO phenomenon.
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I have-have not had
any personal experience.
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00:23:24,925 --> 00:23:28,929
However, I do know virtually
all of the research people
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in both Europe
and the United States
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that have spent decades
working on this problem,
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and I listened and investigated
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all the sightings
for dozens of years,
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and I'm pretty sure
it's all true.
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And I've been involved in
the Disclosure Project, uh,
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tr-trying to get this opened up
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and reveal
what we really do know.
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I still feel that, yeah, NASA,
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they have secrets.
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A lot of people have
said, "Well, look,
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everybody in NASA would have
to be keeping some secret."
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00:24:00,395 --> 00:24:01,527
And that's wrong, too.
476
00:24:01,570 --> 00:24:04,573
Uh, within these space programs,
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00:24:04,617 --> 00:24:09,143
you have compartmentalized
programs, need to know.
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00:24:09,186 --> 00:24:11,493
-Well...
-People within the space program
don't need to know everything.
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I mean, they've got to keep
things secret. They have to.
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You know,
as far as I'm concerned,
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I think that the exploration
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and perhaps even
the colonization of space
483
00:24:24,985 --> 00:24:26,987
is what we are destined to do.
484
00:24:27,030 --> 00:24:30,643
I think it is wired
within all of us
485
00:24:30,686 --> 00:24:32,601
that we inherently
486
00:24:32,645 --> 00:24:36,518
need to explore
where we came from, right?
487
00:24:36,562 --> 00:24:39,826
I find it fascinating that there
are these stories out there
488
00:24:39,869 --> 00:24:42,655
about astronauts
and alien encounters.
489
00:24:42,698 --> 00:24:45,309
We have in possession today
490
00:24:45,353 --> 00:24:47,486
-photographic evidence.
-Yep.
491
00:24:47,529 --> 00:24:50,401
Sure, we've all seen
some odd-looking photos
492
00:24:50,445 --> 00:24:52,012
from NASA astronauts,
493
00:24:52,055 --> 00:24:54,971
uh, that are actually these
unidentified aerial phenomena
494
00:24:55,015 --> 00:24:56,625
that we have
no idea what they are.
495
00:24:56,669 --> 00:24:59,149
CHILDRESS:
There are some photos
of possible UFOs,
496
00:24:59,193 --> 00:25:00,847
of possible extraterrestrials.
497
00:25:00,890 --> 00:25:02,588
TSOUKALOS:
Have you seen
498
00:25:02,631 --> 00:25:06,461
the Skylab photo of
the two or three red lights?
499
00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:07,897
I've seen the photo
you're talking about.
500
00:25:07,941 --> 00:25:09,638
Well, right, and that's
what I was just gonna say.
501
00:25:09,682 --> 00:25:13,207
We have very good photos of
that, and that is an anomaly.
502
00:25:14,077 --> 00:25:17,124
NARRATOR:
Launched on May 25, 1973,
503
00:25:17,167 --> 00:25:21,258
the Skylab was America's
first space station,
504
00:25:21,302 --> 00:25:24,218
an orbital
scientific research vessel.
505
00:25:24,261 --> 00:25:26,873
After roughly
four months in orbit,
506
00:25:26,916 --> 00:25:30,398
an astronaut aboard Skylab
named Owen Garriott
507
00:25:30,441 --> 00:25:33,575
took a photograph
of a mysterious object
508
00:25:33,619 --> 00:25:35,838
outside the space station.
509
00:25:35,882 --> 00:25:38,493
The crew of Skylab 3
saw something strange
510
00:25:38,537 --> 00:25:40,103
at one of their windows,
511
00:25:40,147 --> 00:25:42,889
and it was kind of
an oscillating red-orange
512
00:25:42,932 --> 00:25:44,412
lights off in the distance.
513
00:25:44,455 --> 00:25:47,371
The crew couldn't discern
exactly what it was--
514
00:25:47,415 --> 00:25:49,635
just the certainty that
it was tracking them
515
00:25:49,678 --> 00:25:52,594
or they were tracking it,
rather, for quite a long time.
516
00:25:52,638 --> 00:25:56,076
The most logical explanation
was that it was a satellite
517
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,426
or some kind of debris,
518
00:25:58,469 --> 00:26:00,428
but the crew
did note at the time
519
00:26:00,471 --> 00:26:02,604
that they had seen
other satellites in orbit,
520
00:26:02,648 --> 00:26:04,954
and the satellites
looked like they do on Earth,
521
00:26:04,998 --> 00:26:07,217
and this phenomenon
they'd seen, these lights,
522
00:26:07,261 --> 00:26:09,916
didn't look like that at all.
523
00:26:09,959 --> 00:26:13,659
Ultimately,
the public explanation was
524
00:26:13,702 --> 00:26:16,270
that it was just a reflection
525
00:26:16,313 --> 00:26:19,926
of the panel in the background
of the space st...
526
00:26:19,969 --> 00:26:22,058
-On the window?
-In the window.
527
00:26:22,102 --> 00:26:24,104
Exactly. But there are
528
00:26:24,147 --> 00:26:27,716
training modules
of these things where
529
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:32,155
you can actually go inside
and replicate the conditions
530
00:26:32,199 --> 00:26:33,940
of how this would be,
531
00:26:33,983 --> 00:26:36,986
and so, as far as
the red lights are concerned,
532
00:26:37,030 --> 00:26:40,903
the panel does not
have two or three red lights.
533
00:26:40,947 --> 00:26:42,949
It only has one.
534
00:26:43,993 --> 00:26:46,430
So it dismisses the idea
535
00:26:46,474 --> 00:26:49,477
that it was a reflection
of the instrument panel.
536
00:26:50,739 --> 00:26:52,393
I find that very interesting.
537
00:26:52,436 --> 00:26:54,090
Would I be correct in assuming
538
00:26:54,134 --> 00:26:56,919
that these
space stations are, uh,
539
00:26:56,963 --> 00:26:58,965
equipped with cameras?
540
00:26:59,008 --> 00:27:02,098
TAYLOR:
Well, so there is some video
from the shuttle era.
541
00:27:02,142 --> 00:27:06,929
We have seen some bona fide
unexplained phenomena.
542
00:27:08,714 --> 00:27:11,847
NARRATOR:
As far as
UFO researchers are concerned,
543
00:27:11,891 --> 00:27:15,329
some of the most compelling
video taken in outer space
544
00:27:15,372 --> 00:27:21,291
was recorded during NASA mission
STS-80 in December 1996.
545
00:27:22,162 --> 00:27:24,468
During the space shuttle
Columbia mission,
546
00:27:24,512 --> 00:27:26,514
astronaut Story Musgrave
547
00:27:26,557 --> 00:27:30,083
captured a number
of strange events on camera,
548
00:27:30,126 --> 00:27:33,782
including slow-moving
circular objects.
549
00:27:36,132 --> 00:27:39,745
It really seems like the footage
that we're looking at,
550
00:27:39,788 --> 00:27:43,226
the video footage of STS-80
clearly show what appear to be
551
00:27:43,270 --> 00:27:46,665
powered vehicles
operating in low Earth orbit,
552
00:27:46,708 --> 00:27:50,843
clearly performing the way UFOs
or extraterrestrial spacecraft
553
00:27:50,886 --> 00:27:53,715
are supposedly able to perform.
554
00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:58,067
NARRATOR:
While NASA scientists dismiss
these objects as ice particles,
555
00:27:58,111 --> 00:28:01,723
the incredible images
have fascinated researchers,
556
00:28:01,767 --> 00:28:05,858
including aerospace engineer
and digital imaging expert
557
00:28:05,901 --> 00:28:08,034
Dr. Mark Carlotto.
558
00:28:08,077 --> 00:28:11,472
After spending countless hours
studying the footage,
559
00:28:11,515 --> 00:28:15,694
he has come to the conclusion
that the object in these images
560
00:28:15,737 --> 00:28:17,739
were intelligently controlled.
561
00:28:17,783 --> 00:28:22,222
A number of objects are seen
just after sunrise.
562
00:28:22,265 --> 00:28:24,180
The conjecture by NASA,
563
00:28:24,224 --> 00:28:27,357
the explanation is that these
are the result of particles
564
00:28:27,401 --> 00:28:29,882
that move from
shadow into sunlight
565
00:28:29,925 --> 00:28:31,753
and suddenly become illuminated
566
00:28:31,797 --> 00:28:34,713
so they appear to the camera,
and then they move,
567
00:28:34,756 --> 00:28:37,628
and then if there's a thruster
firing or some other action,
568
00:28:37,672 --> 00:28:39,587
they change direction.
569
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,506
However, NASA spokespersons
do not comment
570
00:28:45,549 --> 00:28:47,813
on what's seen
earlier in the video.
571
00:28:47,856 --> 00:28:51,251
Here, we're looking at the Earth
about a minute or so
572
00:28:51,294 --> 00:28:54,733
before the discs
and the streaks appear,
573
00:28:54,776 --> 00:28:56,473
and we're looking at,
574
00:28:56,517 --> 00:28:58,954
as the camera zooms,
we're looking at Puerto Rico.
575
00:28:58,998 --> 00:29:00,521
That's that bright blob that
576
00:29:00,564 --> 00:29:02,479
we see in
the middle of the screen.
577
00:29:02,523 --> 00:29:04,438
As the camera zoom--
578
00:29:04,481 --> 00:29:06,614
The camera operator
is moving around
579
00:29:06,657 --> 00:29:08,616
as if they're looking
for something,
580
00:29:08,659 --> 00:29:11,401
and in a moment, we'll see
something suddenly appear,
581
00:29:11,445 --> 00:29:13,403
almost literally out of nowhere.
582
00:29:15,884 --> 00:29:18,321
If we look at
this event more closely,
583
00:29:18,365 --> 00:29:21,237
it leaves a trail
or a wake behind it.
584
00:29:21,281 --> 00:29:23,239
It happens very quickly.
585
00:29:23,283 --> 00:29:25,241
It's very unusual.
586
00:29:27,243 --> 00:29:30,943
In this particular map,
we see Puerto Rico
587
00:29:30,986 --> 00:29:33,162
and the Virgin Islands,
588
00:29:33,206 --> 00:29:37,210
and I will now overlay
one of the frames of the video.
589
00:29:38,124 --> 00:29:43,564
See the object appearing
and moving left to right?
590
00:29:43,607 --> 00:29:47,960
In one half second,
this object moves 340 miles,
591
00:29:48,003 --> 00:29:51,790
which is a speed
of 680 miles per second.
592
00:29:53,879 --> 00:29:57,012
This object moves as fast
as a bolt of lightning.
593
00:29:57,056 --> 00:29:59,972
There are no thunderstorms
in the area.
594
00:30:00,015 --> 00:30:03,845
It is unlike any natural
phenomenon that's known,
595
00:30:03,889 --> 00:30:06,326
and this object has never
been mentioned by NASA
596
00:30:06,369 --> 00:30:08,545
or anyone that's
talked about this video.
597
00:30:09,633 --> 00:30:12,854
NARRATOR:
Is it possible that NASA
has already captured footage
598
00:30:12,898 --> 00:30:16,205
of an extraterrestrial
presence in outer space
599
00:30:16,249 --> 00:30:19,643
only to dismiss it
as natural phenomena?
600
00:30:20,644 --> 00:30:23,517
Ancient astronaut theorists
believe that
601
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,520
as humankind continues
to venture further out
602
00:30:26,563 --> 00:30:29,828
into the cosmos,
it is only a matter of time
603
00:30:29,871 --> 00:30:32,613
before we record
an alien encounter
604
00:30:32,656 --> 00:30:35,224
that is impossible to deny.
605
00:30:36,573 --> 00:30:40,534
So what's the next step, then?
Going to Mars, I suppose.
606
00:30:40,577 --> 00:30:42,275
Do you think
we'll find some answers
607
00:30:42,318 --> 00:30:43,842
to a lot of our questions there?
608
00:30:43,885 --> 00:30:47,367
Well, I'll tell you one answer
that I can't wait to find.
609
00:30:52,328 --> 00:30:55,244
We had a race to the Moon, uh,
and now it's a race to Mars.
610
00:30:55,288 --> 00:30:56,985
-But now there's a lot more
players in this game, right?
-TAYLOR: Yes. Yes.
611
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:58,334
-I mean, we've got...
-Right now,
612
00:30:58,378 --> 00:31:00,684
you-you've got the
three governments, you know,
613
00:31:00,728 --> 00:31:03,209
the Russians, the Chinese
and the Americans, are gonna
614
00:31:03,252 --> 00:31:06,386
get to the Moon and Mars
from a government standpoint.
615
00:31:06,429 --> 00:31:10,042
But I'm telling you,
some of these rich billionaires
616
00:31:10,085 --> 00:31:12,914
are gonna get there
whether we want them to or not.
617
00:31:12,958 --> 00:31:14,611
CHILDRESS:
And they can probably do it
618
00:31:14,655 --> 00:31:17,179
a lot more cost effective
than these governments.
619
00:31:17,223 --> 00:31:19,573
Well, now that
we're getting close to Mars,
620
00:31:19,616 --> 00:31:21,357
do you think we'll find
some answers
621
00:31:21,401 --> 00:31:23,142
to a lot of our questions there?
622
00:31:23,185 --> 00:31:26,362
Well, I'll tell you one answer
that I can't wait to find.
623
00:31:26,406 --> 00:31:29,409
Uh, there's a-a photograph
that you can still find it
624
00:31:29,452 --> 00:31:32,368
in, uh, the database from
the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter.
625
00:31:32,412 --> 00:31:35,937
And it shows, like,
a little pool of water
626
00:31:35,981 --> 00:31:39,941
and an iceberg and a cloud,
uh, all in the same picture.
627
00:31:39,985 --> 00:31:42,422
So I think we're certainly
gonna find water,
628
00:31:42,465 --> 00:31:44,511
and if we're gonna find water
and we know it gets 67 degrees
629
00:31:44,554 --> 00:31:46,208
-in the summer...
-We find life.
630
00:31:46,252 --> 00:31:48,689
-Absolutely, that's
what we're gonna find.
-TSOUKALOS: See,
631
00:31:48,732 --> 00:31:50,865
but here's the thing
that, you know, to me...
632
00:31:50,909 --> 00:31:53,737
-The life I am looking for...
-Yeah.
633
00:31:53,781 --> 00:31:55,478
...looks like you and me.
634
00:31:55,522 --> 00:31:58,742
It is humanoid in-in form.
635
00:31:58,786 --> 00:32:02,137
Uh, if we find
bacteria life, okay.
636
00:32:02,181 --> 00:32:04,183
And, in my opinion,
I'm gonna say it:
637
00:32:04,226 --> 00:32:06,533
-big whoop.
-TAYLOR: That's what
most people, I think,
638
00:32:06,576 --> 00:32:09,101
will say, Giorgio. I-I agree.
639
00:32:09,144 --> 00:32:11,668
Let me tell you this, though.
It's possible that Mars
640
00:32:11,712 --> 00:32:14,454
was the blue-green planet
here, you know,
641
00:32:14,497 --> 00:32:16,630
a billion years ago
instead of Earth,
642
00:32:16,673 --> 00:32:19,241
and when,
whatever happened to Mars,
643
00:32:19,285 --> 00:32:20,982
they migrated
from there to here.
644
00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:25,421
NARRATOR:
Migration from Mars to Earth?
645
00:32:25,465 --> 00:32:28,468
Some ancient astronaut theorists
have proposed
646
00:32:28,511 --> 00:32:32,559
the incredible notion that
the human race did, in fact,
647
00:32:32,602 --> 00:32:35,954
originate on Earth's
closest neighboring planet,
648
00:32:35,997 --> 00:32:39,566
and it is their belief
that all of humankind's journeys
649
00:32:39,609 --> 00:32:43,135
into space have been
leading towards a return
650
00:32:43,178 --> 00:32:45,659
to this ancestral homeland.
651
00:32:45,702 --> 00:32:49,010
While it may sound like
the premise of a sci-fi movie,
652
00:32:49,054 --> 00:32:51,708
some scientists
have proposed that,
653
00:32:51,752 --> 00:32:55,060
based on what we've learned
about the Red Planet,
654
00:32:55,103 --> 00:32:58,498
this is not such a far-fetched
notion after all.
655
00:32:59,542 --> 00:33:03,807
Mars at one time in its past
looked more like the Earth.
656
00:33:05,157 --> 00:33:07,986
It was a blue ocean world
657
00:33:08,029 --> 00:33:10,727
with a significant
amount of water.
658
00:33:10,771 --> 00:33:13,339
We know for a fact that
billions of years ago,
659
00:33:13,382 --> 00:33:16,820
when we were first getting
started here on Earth,
660
00:33:16,864 --> 00:33:19,475
Mars was a much more
clement place,
661
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:22,087
a more clement world in its own.
662
00:33:22,130 --> 00:33:24,654
We know that
it had thick atmosphere
663
00:33:24,698 --> 00:33:26,874
to shield
and blanket the planet,
664
00:33:26,917 --> 00:33:28,876
and it would have
had organic molecules,
665
00:33:28,919 --> 00:33:31,966
the building blocks
of all life as we know it.
666
00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:33,968
So it stands to reason
667
00:33:34,012 --> 00:33:38,190
that maybe Mars had its own
genesis, its own origin of life.
668
00:33:39,408 --> 00:33:42,542
NARRATOR:
If Mars was once
an Earth-like planet,
669
00:33:42,585 --> 00:33:44,848
could it have supported
human life?
670
00:33:44,892 --> 00:33:49,201
Curiously, researchers
have found a remarkable link
671
00:33:49,244 --> 00:33:52,856
between human physiology
and conditions on Mars.
672
00:33:54,902 --> 00:33:57,774
When astronauts
actually go into space,
673
00:33:57,818 --> 00:33:59,994
their circadian rhythms,
their body clocks,
674
00:34:00,038 --> 00:34:05,608
change from 24-hour days
to a 24.9-hour day,
675
00:34:05,652 --> 00:34:08,133
and that happens to be
the exact rotational period
676
00:34:08,176 --> 00:34:10,700
of a single day
on the planet Mars.
677
00:34:10,744 --> 00:34:13,225
Given the fact that
our body clocks are tuned
678
00:34:13,268 --> 00:34:15,531
to the planet Mars,
not to the planet Earth,
679
00:34:15,575 --> 00:34:19,405
that indicates to me that we
actually came here from there.
680
00:34:20,319 --> 00:34:23,583
NARRATOR:
Could we, in fact, be Martians?
681
00:34:23,626 --> 00:34:25,237
And might this be
682
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,936
why we are so compelled
to explore beyond Earth?
683
00:34:29,980 --> 00:34:32,200
In April 2020,
684
00:34:32,244 --> 00:34:35,334
NASA announced
that three private companies--
685
00:34:35,377 --> 00:34:39,077
Blue Origin,
Dynetics and SpaceX,
686
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,732
will compete to design America's
new human landing system,
687
00:34:42,776 --> 00:34:44,082
or HLS.
688
00:34:46,171 --> 00:34:49,217
Its ultimate purpose:
to send astronauts
689
00:34:49,261 --> 00:34:51,132
to Mars.
690
00:34:51,176 --> 00:34:52,916
POPE:
I think the next few years
691
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,963
are going to be
absolutely pivotal
692
00:34:56,006 --> 00:34:58,096
in Mars research.
693
00:34:58,139 --> 00:35:01,708
We are seeing mission
after mission after mission
694
00:35:01,751 --> 00:35:05,799
going to Mars, and, again,
one might wonder why.
695
00:35:05,842 --> 00:35:09,933
Is it because,
when humanity expands out
696
00:35:09,977 --> 00:35:12,980
into the cosmos,
we are going to have to have
697
00:35:13,023 --> 00:35:16,592
a planetary base and Mars
is a good place for that?
698
00:35:16,636 --> 00:35:20,335
Or is it because
scientists know or suspect
699
00:35:20,379 --> 00:35:22,294
that there's something there?
700
00:35:23,382 --> 00:35:26,124
We don't know what's on Mars
right now, but we can speculate.
701
00:35:26,167 --> 00:35:27,777
There are some photos.
702
00:35:27,821 --> 00:35:30,737
There are books that speculate
there are structures on Mars.
703
00:35:30,780 --> 00:35:33,696
I like to think that there are
structures on Mars and there was
704
00:35:33,740 --> 00:35:36,177
an ancient civilization there
that-that perhaps is dead.
705
00:35:36,221 --> 00:35:40,268
And you have also
this curious monolith
706
00:35:40,312 --> 00:35:43,053
-on the Martian moon Phobos.
-TSOUKALOS: Phobos.
-Oh, Phobos. Yeah.
707
00:35:43,097 --> 00:35:44,794
TSOUKALOS:
What's interesting, too,
708
00:35:44,838 --> 00:35:46,448
for example, the Cydonia region.
709
00:35:46,492 --> 00:35:48,972
That is where allegedly
the pyramids are.
710
00:35:49,016 --> 00:35:51,236
-Absolutely.
-CHILDRESS: What is
that doing there?
711
00:35:51,279 --> 00:35:53,542
Is that a natural formation?
712
00:35:53,586 --> 00:35:56,284
I mean, this seems like
a very artificial thing.
713
00:35:57,372 --> 00:36:00,158
NARRATOR: Researchers
studying NASA photographs
714
00:36:00,201 --> 00:36:01,681
of the Martian surface
715
00:36:01,724 --> 00:36:04,466
have identified
what appear to be
716
00:36:04,510 --> 00:36:08,035
a number of
artificial structures.
717
00:36:08,078 --> 00:36:12,779
MARK CARLOTTO:
There's a number of pyramidal
structures called the "City."
718
00:36:12,822 --> 00:36:16,261
There's a famous face on Mars.
719
00:36:16,304 --> 00:36:18,524
It could be evidence
of, perhaps,
720
00:36:18,567 --> 00:36:20,874
of a prehistoric civilization
on Mars.
721
00:36:22,484 --> 00:36:25,095
POPE:
It's only a matter of time
before we find
722
00:36:25,139 --> 00:36:30,188
absolutely definitive evidence
of microbes on Mars.
723
00:36:31,145 --> 00:36:35,018
Maybe, and this would be the
absolute Holy Grail, of course,
724
00:36:35,062 --> 00:36:37,804
maybe we will find
the fingerprints
725
00:36:37,847 --> 00:36:39,893
of an ancient civilization.
726
00:36:42,504 --> 00:36:45,377
NARRATOR:
When the first astronauts
reach Mars,
727
00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:47,248
will they discover evidence
728
00:36:47,292 --> 00:36:51,121
that the Red Planet
has been visited before
729
00:36:51,165 --> 00:36:54,386
or perhaps something
even more profound?
730
00:36:56,301 --> 00:36:59,347
You know, for decades, we've had
these questions about Mars.
731
00:36:59,391 --> 00:37:03,090
And now that we are at
the beginning of actually
732
00:37:03,133 --> 00:37:05,266
soon being able to go there,
733
00:37:05,310 --> 00:37:09,096
we will have these answers
and possibly
734
00:37:09,139 --> 00:37:11,098
within our own lifetimes.
735
00:37:11,141 --> 00:37:13,579
And we live
in such exciting times.
736
00:37:13,622 --> 00:37:15,276
TAYLOR:
NASA plans to
737
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,278
make their first
manned Mars mission
738
00:37:17,322 --> 00:37:18,888
within the 2030s.
739
00:37:18,932 --> 00:37:21,804
So that means
we're only ten-ish years
740
00:37:21,848 --> 00:37:23,980
away from that, and
so we should get to see that.
741
00:37:24,024 --> 00:37:27,027
If there was
a civilization there,
742
00:37:27,070 --> 00:37:29,203
it's likely that
they're gonna land close
743
00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:30,726
to where it might have been.
744
00:37:30,770 --> 00:37:32,424
-Yeah.
-And, eventually,
745
00:37:32,467 --> 00:37:35,078
-somebody's gonna
stumble across it.
-CHILDRESS: Maybe when
746
00:37:35,122 --> 00:37:37,690
we go to Mars,
we'll be returning to Mars,
747
00:37:37,733 --> 00:37:40,649
having actually come there
originally ourselves.
748
00:37:40,693 --> 00:37:43,304
-And you have to have
an open mind to the possibility.
-Yeah.
749
00:37:43,348 --> 00:37:46,438
TAYLOR:
But there's more to it
in our evolution.
750
00:37:46,481 --> 00:37:48,353
We can't just stay here.
Sooner or later,
751
00:37:48,396 --> 00:37:51,269
something will happen that would
be an extinction-level event
752
00:37:51,312 --> 00:37:52,270
to the Earth.
753
00:37:52,313 --> 00:37:54,707
We have to leave Earth
754
00:37:54,750 --> 00:37:57,275
if we want humanity to survive.
755
00:37:57,318 --> 00:38:01,888
Right.
756
00:38:01,931 --> 00:38:03,977
This is, uh-- has been
such an incredible
757
00:38:04,020 --> 00:38:06,153
and fascinating conversation
that, you know,
758
00:38:06,196 --> 00:38:09,461
we live in the most exciting
of times right now
759
00:38:09,504 --> 00:38:12,333
because with the privatization
of space travel,
760
00:38:12,377 --> 00:38:16,206
we are destined
to go back into space
761
00:38:16,250 --> 00:38:19,340
and explore our own solar system
762
00:38:19,384 --> 00:38:21,473
and then go beyond,
763
00:38:21,516 --> 00:38:24,563
because this is
part of who we are.
764
00:38:24,606 --> 00:38:27,914
TAYLOR:
I think, in less than
a hundred years,
765
00:38:27,957 --> 00:38:30,830
we're going to advance
physics knowledge enough
766
00:38:30,873 --> 00:38:34,529
that we will be able
to travel at speeds
767
00:38:34,573 --> 00:38:36,444
that are arbitrarily fast,
768
00:38:36,488 --> 00:38:39,317
meaning like warp speeds
and things like that.
769
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:40,927
We have an understanding
770
00:38:40,970 --> 00:38:43,321
within our theoretical
physics to do it.
771
00:38:43,364 --> 00:38:45,323
-It's the engineering pieces
that's next.
-Right.
772
00:38:45,366 --> 00:38:47,499
-CHILDRESS: Right, okay.
-So, and here's the thing.
773
00:38:47,542 --> 00:38:50,850
-We're a fairly young species.
-Right.
774
00:38:52,025 --> 00:38:55,028
TAYLOR:
Sooner or later,
something will happen
775
00:38:55,071 --> 00:38:56,638
that would be
an extinction-level event
776
00:38:56,682 --> 00:38:58,118
to the Earth.
777
00:38:58,161 --> 00:38:59,728
It may be
a billion years from now,
778
00:38:59,772 --> 00:39:01,687
maybe a million years,
maybe next week.
779
00:39:03,689 --> 00:39:06,996
We have to go to the Moon
and put people there.
780
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,739
We have to go to Mars
and make it livable.
781
00:39:11,610 --> 00:39:14,221
And so we have
to leave this Earth
782
00:39:14,264 --> 00:39:17,659
if we want humanity to survive.
783
00:39:18,791 --> 00:39:22,360
And who's to say that that's not
what has happened already...
784
00:39:22,403 --> 00:39:25,841
-Of course.
-...and that we are part
of that survival process?
785
00:39:25,885 --> 00:39:28,540
There's so many stars out there,
786
00:39:28,583 --> 00:39:30,716
and there had to be other
civilizations that occurred.
787
00:39:30,759 --> 00:39:32,979
They had to go and explore,
788
00:39:33,022 --> 00:39:35,242
and they had
to spread themselves
789
00:39:35,285 --> 00:39:37,200
across the universe.
790
00:39:37,244 --> 00:39:40,421
The Russian cosmists believe
that we-we came from the stars
791
00:39:40,465 --> 00:39:43,293
and that we're destined
to go back to the stars.
792
00:39:43,337 --> 00:39:46,253
And, uh, that's pretty much
what we're doing now, aren't we?
793
00:39:46,296 --> 00:39:49,735
Uh, returning to the stars,
in many ways, as explorers.
794
00:39:49,778 --> 00:39:51,389
I think you're
absolutely right there.
795
00:39:51,432 --> 00:39:55,218
You know, this makes me think
of, uh, Edgar Rice Burroughs.
796
00:39:55,262 --> 00:39:57,395
Even before the golden era
797
00:39:57,438 --> 00:40:00,049
of-of what we would call
science fiction in the '30s,
798
00:40:00,093 --> 00:40:01,921
John Carter of Mars...
799
00:40:01,964 --> 00:40:04,271
Chessmen of Mars,yeah,
Princess of Mars.
800
00:40:04,314 --> 00:40:06,708
-The Barsoomian adventures...
-Yeah.
801
00:40:06,752 --> 00:40:09,581
...was that somebody,
John Carter,
802
00:40:09,624 --> 00:40:12,192
left Earth some way,
ends up on Mars,
803
00:40:12,235 --> 00:40:14,194
and there's
a whole civilization there.
804
00:40:14,237 --> 00:40:16,892
Science fiction drives
that sort of imagination.
805
00:40:16,936 --> 00:40:19,808
It's dr-driven me since I was
a kid, watching Star Trek
806
00:40:19,852 --> 00:40:23,290
and reading Robert Heinlein
and Asimov and Arthur C. Clarke,
807
00:40:23,333 --> 00:40:25,466
and all these things, right?
They're telling us
808
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:28,034
-what the future might be.
-TSOUKALOS: Science fiction
809
00:40:28,077 --> 00:40:32,299
has become, in many cases,
science fact.
810
00:40:32,342 --> 00:40:36,912
And technology
has accelerated exponentially.
811
00:40:36,956 --> 00:40:40,960
Can you imagine where
we'll be 20 years from now?
812
00:40:41,003 --> 00:40:42,701
TAYLOR:
You know, I want to know
813
00:40:42,744 --> 00:40:45,965
all of these
ancient astronaut theories.
814
00:40:46,008 --> 00:40:49,577
I want to go out there
and find Thor and Zeus
815
00:40:49,621 --> 00:40:51,100
and these guys, and I want to,
816
00:40:51,144 --> 00:40:53,755
I want to ask,
"Where did y'all go?" Right?
817
00:40:53,799 --> 00:40:55,844
-Maybe they're waiting for us
right now to get there, right?
-Yeah.
818
00:40:55,888 --> 00:40:59,021
-You know, "We've been waiting.
What-what took you so long?"
-Right?
819
00:40:59,065 --> 00:41:03,199
I really think that we are
destined to explore space
820
00:41:03,243 --> 00:41:05,941
and perhaps also colonize space,
821
00:41:05,985 --> 00:41:09,162
and if we do that,
sooner or later,
822
00:41:09,205 --> 00:41:13,079
we will come across
our actual alien ancestors.
823
00:41:13,122 --> 00:41:17,126
And I'm really excited
to see what the future holds.
824
00:41:17,170 --> 00:41:19,172
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