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NARRATOR:
Millions of people
around the world
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believe we have been visited
in the past
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by extraterrestrial beings.
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What if it were true?
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For over a decade,
the hit TV series Ancient Aliens
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has examined the profound
and highly controversial theory
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that extraterrestrials came
to Earth thousands of years ago
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and quite possibly never left.
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Now, on a special
two-hour Ancient Aliens event...
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WILLIAM SHATNER:
I think it's utterly,
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utterly fascinating.
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NARRATOR:
...William Shatner
will boldly go
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where he has never gone before,
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talking to scientists,
spiritual leaders,
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and, of course,
ancient astronaut theorists
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in an attempt
to answer the question:
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could it be that Earth
has been visited
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by extraterrestrials?
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SHATNER:
Convincing me
about ancient aliens
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is the first step
to convincing me
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about the existence
of a higher power.
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So, convince me.
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Hello, I'm William Shatner.
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And we have around here
this roundtable
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of experts
in esoteric knowledge,
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practical knowledge,
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but also people
who are equally curious
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about aliens.
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I love the idea
that we've been visited,
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we have been, we will be,
we are, by aliens,
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but I have my doubts.
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I want to be convinced
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of what you guys know
and what you guys have done
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for a decade and more
on Ancient Aliens.
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So, I throw it open.
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You.
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-(laughter)
-Giorgio.
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There are ancient texts
and oral traditions
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that have been handed down
for thousands of years.
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And pretty much,
they all begin in the same way,
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that a long, long time ago,
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someone taught us how to build
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the ancient structures,
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how to figure out mathematics
and agriculture
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and all those different things.
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The ancient astronaut theory
suggests that at some point,
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we've had teachers.
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And they have far more
advanced technology
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that our ancestors
thought was divine or magic.
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NARRATOR:
Ancient astronaut theory
challenges
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humankind's most established
understandings of history,
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archaeology, science
and religion.
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Proponents suggest
that the truth
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behind the very origins
of the human race
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is far different
and far more profound
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than what we've been taught.
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TSOUKALOS:
Ancient cultures have
these very detailed stories
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of the so-called gods,
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and described someone
descending from the sky.
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We have these stories worldwide.
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And so, the ancient astronaut
theory suggests
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that these gods were
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flesh-and-blood
extraterrestrials
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whom our ancestors
misinterpreted as divine
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only because they
descended from the sky.
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All civilizations talk about
beings coming from the sky
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to assist humankind
in development.
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They taught astrology,
astronomy,
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how to make offensive
and defensive weapons.
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CHILDRESS:
And these traditions
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-are all over the world.
-Mm-hmm.
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And what they say is,
there were these avatars.
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Like Osiris, like Viracocha,
coming from the sky.
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Their mission was
to bring civilization to man
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and to teach them medicine,
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-arts, metallurgy...
-Yes.
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...how to build things,
construction, architecture.
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Everything that we know.
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Well, let me ask you a question
about legends, then.
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'Cause this is all legendary.
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Legends are, uh, verbal.
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HENRY:
They're oral traditions.
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-They're oral traditions.
-The entire... Yeah.
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And if I told you a joke,
the whole joke
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would be different when it got
to the other end of the table.
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-Sure.
-Legends are oral traditions
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told around a campfire
that change.
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-Well...
-But not by ordinary people.
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By priests and people
trained with memory skills...
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...when you're dealing
with aborigine peoples,
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oral traditions were actually
very rigidly passed on
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from generation to generation.
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SHATNER:
Okay, I'm good with that.
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But all of you spent a lifetime
studying evidence
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that ancient aliens came here,
are here, were here.
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I need you to explain to me
the timeline.
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Did Erich von Daniken
start it all,
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or was-was he the...
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-He popularized it.
-CHILDRESS: Yeah,
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and Ancient Aliens
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is-is continuing that today.
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NARRATOR:
In 1968,
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Swiss author Erich von Daniken
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published what would
become the seminal book
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for the ancient astronaut
theory, Chariots of the Gods?
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The highly controversial text
posed the question,
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did aliens come to Earth
centuries ago?
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It caused an instant sensation,
and two years later,
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a feature-length documentary
based on Von Daniken's book
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was so highly regarded
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that it was nominated
for an Academy Award.
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Chariots of the Gods? was
one of the most impactful
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and most intriguing publications
in the modern history.
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The questions made people
seek an answer.
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Chariots of the Gods? led
to a fundamental rethink
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about our history, our origins
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and indeed our place
in the cosmos.
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MICHAEL DENNIN:
It helped motivate and push
science a little bit
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to think
about things differently.
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Now, the other feature,
I think, that's interesting is
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in this space in the
intersection between religion,
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science and other ways
of thinking about the world,
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you added a new piece
in the new dynamic.
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When I was ten years old, my dad
read Erich von Daniken's book
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and gave it to me and said,
"Read this, son,
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it'll open your mind."
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So, that led me
to be a scientist,
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to find out, "Well, I want
to know what-what this
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really is saying."
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And if these things
actually did happen,
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what can we learn from it
that we could use today
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to make our lives better today?
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Yeah.
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I think we can have
him join on a Zoom call.
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SHATNER:
Let's get Erich von Daniken,
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father of the ancient alien
theory, on screen.
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There he is.
Erich von Daniken, how are you?
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-CHILDRESS: Hi, Erich.
-TSOUKALOS: Good to see you.
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Hi. Hi.
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Erich, tell me what
the ancient alien theory is.
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I spent six years
in a Catholic boarding school
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led by Jesuits in Switzerland.
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And there we had to translate
parts of the Bible
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from Latin to Greek
and from Greek to German.
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And I was a deep,
absolute deep believer in God.
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By the way, I still,
as an old man,
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I still am a believer in God.
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But God, for me, as a boy,
had to have some qualities.
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For example, God does not need
a vehicle in which
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to move from point A to point B.
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God is all over.
Our God is timeless.
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Now, while making
these translations,
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I came together
with the God
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who had vehicles,
he was moving around.
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Uh, written by the prophet
of Ezekiel,
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by Moses and others.
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So, I simply had doubts
in my own Catholic education,
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and I discovered
the Book of Enoch.
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Talk to us about Enoch.
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Enoch is mentioned in the Bible
very, very, uh, short.
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In the beginning, you learn
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he was the seventh patriarch
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before the great flood.
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He was the first human
who disappeared
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with his body into the sky.
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NARRATOR:
Enoch is one
of the earliest patriarchs
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mentioned in the Hebrew Bible.
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He was the great-grandfather
of Noah,
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the man credited with building
the ark that saved humankind
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and two of every animal
from the great flood.
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But where the Hebrew Bible
only mentions Enoch briefly,
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his detailed story is told
through more than 100 chapters
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in a book that bears his name.
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The Book of Enoch can still
be found in the Bible
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used by the Ethiopian
Orthodox Church.
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And when archaeologists
unearthed
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the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947,
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they found
that 11 different manuscripts
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of the Book of Enoch
had been preserved,
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indicating that it was
considered a work
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of vital importance.
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Enoch was an incredibly
popular book, uh,
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in the time leading up to
the formation of Christianity.
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In the book,
the character of Enoch,
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it was said, he walked with God
and then was no more.
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But the tradition grew
that Enoch never died.
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In fact, the tradition has
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that he becomes
the scribe of God.
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He is the only one in heaven
allowed to sit,
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you know, along with God.
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And he actually writes
these things down
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and he reveals information
to humanity.
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NARRATOR:
One curious passage
from the Book of Enoch
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tells the story of two angels
who visit Enoch
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and take him up to heaven
in what is described
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as a fiery chariot.
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VON DANIKEN:
It's fascinating because Enoch
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speaks in the first person.
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The "I" version.
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"I did. I heard. I learned."
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Now, Enoch has no language
of technology.
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He doesn't know what a spaceship
is or a mother spaceship.
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He says, "We were
over the planet Earth.
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"I saw the round face,
the round face of the Earth.
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"And up there was something
like gigantic diamonds.
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Doors opened
and doors closed automatically."
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He was in space
in a mother spaceship.
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And finally, he stands before
the throne of the almighty God.
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But this is all nonsense.
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If we really would have to do
with the almighty God,
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God would never have stand up
from his throne,
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take a few steps to Enoch,
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and shake his hand
and welcome him.
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TSOUKALOS: Our ancestors
simply didn't understand
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that when they went to that
so-called celestial realm,
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that they actually went,
to put it in a simple term,
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to a spaceship,
to a space station
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that is told in ancient texts
that were orbiting the Earth.
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VON DANIKEN:
And the Bible is full of it.
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And not only the Bible.
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I know many, many myths,
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legends of this planet,
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and all came to the same thing.
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It was some gods
who created humans
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but always according
their own image.
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We are the copy.
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We are the offsprings
of extraterrestrials.
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And now you arrive
in the legend of Adam and Eve
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and the so-called
"God created humans
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according their own image."
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SHATNER:
And how do you account
for archaeological evidence
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that shows the evolution,
uh, Neanderthals, Cro-Magnon?
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VON DANIKEN:
That's all correct.
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I fully agree
with-with archaeology,
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with the theory of evolution,
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except, for our branch,
there was
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an artificial mutation made
by the extraterrestrials.
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And you can really compare it.
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I mean,
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all our family brothers
and sisters--
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the apes, the gorillas,
the chimpanzees--
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they still exist.
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We are still of the same family.
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But they have not
created intelligence,
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language, information.
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Only we.
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Why only we,
out of the same family tree?
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Because we are the product
of an artificial mutation.
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HENRY: What he's saying
is our intelligence
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is far greater
than the chimpanzee and gorilla.
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We now know why.
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We have an activated neocortex,
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which is the basis
for all human civilization.
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NARRATOR:
The neocortex
of the human brain
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is the region responsible
for language,
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logical reasoning
and conscious thought.
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Many scientists believe
the activation of the neocortex
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is what makes humans different
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from all other
earthly creatures.
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The neocortex is kind of
one layer of our cortex,
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um, that is fairly unique
to Homo sapiens.
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And as far as we can tell,
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that's the area where activity
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is occurring directly related,
particularly, to consciousness,
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but probably also
some of our other senses
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in the way they interact.
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It is probably the part
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of the brain, because of that,
that most sets us apart
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from other primates.
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HENRY:
There was a genetic alteration.
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The National Institute
of Health,
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in their own publication, says
this is not a natural fusion
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of chromosome 2
that activated our neocortex.
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SHATNER:
So, are you saying
that the neocortex
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was activated
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-by ancient aliens?
-Yes.
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VON DANIKEN:
Just a small comment.
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I'm a specialist
in the old writings,
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and practically every old
writing says the same thing.
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Some gods created humans.
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Now, is this just imagination?
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Worldwide, worldwide, I mean,
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the Sumerians
or the biblical translation.
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Or the Maya in Central America
or Plato in Greek.
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Why should they all
come to the same lies,
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the gods created human
according their own image?
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Erich, in your opinion, for you,
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what is your top example
for a physical representation
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of the ancient astronaut theory?
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Well, th-there are many.
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One of them which everyone can
watch every year.
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Just go down to Mexico,
go to the city of Chichen Itza.
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There is a big pyramid
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laid out in a special way.
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NARRATOR:
The great pyramid of El Castillo
in Chichen Itza
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was built by the Maya
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sometime between the 9th
and 12th centuries AD.
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It served as a temple
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to the feathered
serpent god Kukulkan
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and was built to reenact
his descent to Earth
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through the manipulation
of light and shadow.
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JON C. LOHSE:
The Castillo
is a stepped pyramid
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with some
outward radiating staircases.
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And these staircases have
big, high balustrades on them.
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And on the autumn
and the spring equinox,
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the Sun casts a shadow
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across the corner
of this stepped pyramid,
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and you see the shadows
of the steps
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on the staircase balustrade.
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Well, at the base
of the balustrade
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are these big,
carved snakeheads.
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And, so,
the entire image is created
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of an enormous coiled serpent
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that begins to descend
from this building
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at this important sunrise event.
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VON DANIKEN:
This message is clear.
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You see god Kukulkan
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coming down the step
of the pyramid
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in form of triangles of light
and shadow, light and shadow.
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Erich, why couldn't these people
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who lived by the weather
and the Sun--
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when to plant their crops,
when to harvest--
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why wouldn't they divine
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through observation that this
was the moment to plant?
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Why does it have to prove
that an ancient alien gave them
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-the knowledge?
-Well, because they say it.
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They say it in their writings,
in their mythology.
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They say, "We have received
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-our astronomical knowledge
from the gods."
-SHATNER: I see.
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VON DANIKEN:
The first writers of the Maya
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wrote down
in their holy writings
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that a god
with the name of Kukulkan,
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which they represented
as a snake with feathers,
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descended to them
and give them their knowledge.
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It's their idea,
not Erich von Daniken's.
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Why have our ancestors worldwide
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created
the most gigantic temples
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or pyramids? Why?
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The answer is,
all over the world, the same:
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for the gods.
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The so-called gods were teacher.
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They give them information.
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And it's the people
who have written down this.
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SHATNER:
The-the basic question
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that I want to have answers to,
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and-and we're touching
on the edges of it,
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but-but it seems like a...
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It's-it's metaphysical.
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I can't quite reach it.
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Why would a civilization
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all these billions
of light-years away
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come here and leave?
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Or, if they're here,
why aren't they displayed?
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Well, I-I don't know
about the present.
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But I'm a specialist
in the past, and in the past,
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they wanted
to multiply intelligence.
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These extraterrestrials
change our line of evolution
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simply because
they wanted to multiply
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intelligence in the universe.
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We are simply too arrogant
to accept this.
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We want to be the greatest.
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We should become
a little more humble
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and learn
we are not the greatest.
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Erich von Daniken,
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uh, what a pleasure it is
to speak to you.
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We appreciate you being here,
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Erich, and a pleasure
to have talked to you.
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Thank you so much.
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-Thank you very much, too.
-SHATNER: Um,
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Talk to me
about the physical evidence
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of ancient aliens.
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There are many areas
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of the world,
all over the world,
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where gigantic
megalithic structures exist
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that people point at and say,
"How did that get there?"
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The crazy part: a lot
of the architectural engineering
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used to build some of these
large megalithic structures
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is technology
that we do not understand today.
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And these temples are aligned
to specific star systems.
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Why do you do that unless
you're trying to get there
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or call people in?
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-That's
the extraterrestrial connection.
-Well, again,
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the-the whole idea
of the pondering the stars.
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They had nothing to do
but lie on their back
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and say,
"I see a thing here in the sky."
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-TZADOK: Nothing to do?
-But, see, the ancient...
-What?
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-Nothing to do?
-Well, look, well...
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Just building pyramids.
All these slaves.
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-Nothing to do.
-Yeah, pyramids
we can't build today.
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SHATNER:
No, I'm talking about a guy
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with a beard lying on his back
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looking at the stars and saying,
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-"Geez, I see the same..."
-TZADOK: Why not a woman?
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Judging-judging from
the archaeological evidence,
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I think they were very busy
doing other things.
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HENRY:
When you're in Egypt and you are
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in the Osirion, a temple
at a place called Abydos,
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you're in a temple
that now we think
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is at least 10,000 years old.
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And it's composed
of red granite blocks
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that weigh, on average,
about 50 tons.
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And it's the perfection,
the precision.
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It's an intelligence.
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It's ancient astronaut evidence.
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NARRATOR:
The Osirion in Abydos
is just one
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of the many ancient megalithic
structures that can be found
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all over the world,
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built with stone blocks
that weigh
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tens and even hundreds of tons.
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Stonehenge in England.
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The ancient temples of Malta.
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Baalbek in Lebanon.
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Nan Madol in Micronesia.
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Sacsayhuamán in Peru.
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No historical record
has ever been found
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to explain how these
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and dozens of other
megalithic structures were made.
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By the way, where were
those megalithic blocks mined?
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Was it down in the valley,
or was it up on the mountain?
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That's also a great question.
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It's often...
It's often many miles away.
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-At Ollantaytambo...
-TSOUKALOS: Yes.
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Over mountains, over valleys.
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-Yeah, up-up high. Yeah.
-Over bodies of water.
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CHILDRESS:
They brought
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giant blocks that are weighing
60, 80 tons at Ollantaytambo.
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They actually brought them
down a mountain,
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up over a river,
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across a river, which they
haven't been able to explain.
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-TSOUKALOS: 60-ton blocks.
-Yeah, and then up...
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And there is a ramp there,
actually, but then they...
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they move it up
to the very top of a cliff.
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(wind whistling)
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NARRATOR:
The cliff where the ancient site
of Ollantaytambo was built
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is located at an elevation
of over 9,000 feet
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in the Andes Mountains of Peru.
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Historians date it to 1440 AD
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and credit the Inca
with its construction.
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But some scholars say
Ollantaytambo was built
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upon the ruins
of a far older city,
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one whose origins
remain unknown.
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The gate behind me is called
the Gateway of the Gods,
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and it was built
several thousand years
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before the Inca arrived here.
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It was built by a culture
we call the Urin Pacha.
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We give them that name
because we have no idea
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who they were,
where they came from
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or where they went.
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It's clearly evident that the
earliest parts of Ollantaytambo
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dates to at least
12,000 years old, if not older.
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NARRATOR:
But how could people living
thousands of years ago
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have produced
such astonishing stonework,
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with massive,
interlocking blocks
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precisely fitted together?
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Or have moved and set
colossal stones of granite,
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each weighing more than 50 tons?
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BILL BIRNES:
What you can't explain
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is the moving of 50-ton stones
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up the sheer face of a cliff
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to create the walls
of the fortress.
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That, in and of itself,
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required more than cranes,
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more than lifts,
more than scaffolds.
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And part of the problem there
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is that the mainstream
archaeologists are saying:
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Okay, well, you got
a 60- or 80-ton block
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of red granite--
all you have to do is
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just get enough people,
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and they supposedly didn't have
the wheel or anything,
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but you had... they propose that
they're all wearing harnesses,
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and you get, say, 200 people,
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-Yeah? Okay.
-and they're all, you know,
to drag this block, okay?
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-What's wrong with that?
-Well, there's a...
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there's nothing really wrong
with it at first,
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because you
can mathematically say,
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okay, this block weighs 60 tons,
so we... this is how many people
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we need to drag it.
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But they're taking it up
onto a narrow cliff, okay?
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-There's no place
for those 200 people to stand.
-SHATNER: Wow.
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And they have to bring it
around corners.
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So how do mainstream
archaeologists explain it?
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-HENRY: They don't.
-(overlapping chatter)
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No, no, no, no.
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'Cause they're archaeologists.
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They don't...
they're not engineers.
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But when you bring in
an engineer and you say,
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"Okay, now,
how are you gonna do this?"
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And they don't have an answer.
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They... they say,
"I don't know."
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(overlapping chatter)
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They're the real experts.
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I would love to have
an engineer here to...
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TAYLOR:
I have three different
engineering degrees.
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-You-You've been in that room?
-Here. We've got one right here.
495
00:23:11,424 --> 00:23:13,426
-I have three different
engineering degrees.
-(laughter)
496
00:23:13,460 --> 00:23:15,595
You're just the man
I want to talk to.
497
00:23:15,628 --> 00:23:18,064
(laughter)
498
00:23:18,097 --> 00:23:19,532
But-but are you prejudiced?
499
00:23:19,566 --> 00:23:21,133
Uh, toward what?
500
00:23:21,167 --> 00:23:23,402
Towards, uh, ancient aliens.
501
00:23:23,436 --> 00:23:25,705
No. In fact, I was skeptical
502
00:23:25,738 --> 00:23:28,575
of a lot of the ideas
that's being thrown out,
503
00:23:28,608 --> 00:23:32,278
but I always thought that there
was something more to the story.
504
00:23:32,311 --> 00:23:34,413
I want to know,
could we do this?
505
00:23:34,447 --> 00:23:37,249
We have places where...
where there are, like,
506
00:23:37,283 --> 00:23:38,651
laser-cut rocks
507
00:23:38,685 --> 00:23:42,088
that we don't even have the
tools that can do this today.
508
00:23:42,121 --> 00:23:44,056
You take a master toolmaker--
my father is one.
509
00:23:44,090 --> 00:23:45,592
He's looked at some
of these things and said,
510
00:23:45,625 --> 00:23:46,826
"I can see the toolmarks.
511
00:23:46,859 --> 00:23:50,062
Somebody used a tool machine
to cut this thing."
512
00:23:50,096 --> 00:23:51,764
But that was 10,000 years ago.
513
00:23:51,798 --> 00:23:52,932
HENRY:
Before the wheel.
514
00:23:52,965 --> 00:23:55,502
So what we're saying is
there was civilization
515
00:23:55,535 --> 00:23:57,436
prior to what we think
was civilization.
516
00:23:57,470 --> 00:24:00,339
TSOUKALOS:
In the early 1990s,
Dr. Robert Schoch
517
00:24:00,372 --> 00:24:03,175
proposed that,
according to his research,
518
00:24:03,209 --> 00:24:05,978
the Sphinx
on the great Giza Plateau
519
00:24:06,012 --> 00:24:09,448
-is at least 12,000 years old,
-Mm-hmm.
520
00:24:09,482 --> 00:24:12,619
because it shows
geological features
521
00:24:12,652 --> 00:24:15,454
that indicate water marks
522
00:24:15,488 --> 00:24:17,524
of a long-ago flood.
523
00:24:17,557 --> 00:24:20,159
HENRY:
It was assumed that the erosion
on the Sphinx
524
00:24:20,192 --> 00:24:21,528
was caused by wind.
525
00:24:21,561 --> 00:24:23,996
As a geologist, Schoch spent
three seconds looking at it,
526
00:24:24,030 --> 00:24:26,098
saying that's not wind,
that's water.
527
00:24:26,132 --> 00:24:28,434
And the only time there was
water like this in Egypt
528
00:24:28,467 --> 00:24:31,137
was at the end
of the Younger Dryas, 10,000 BC.
529
00:24:31,170 --> 00:24:33,806
Mm-hmm.
And so what happened was
530
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:38,277
that he was ripped apart
by the archaeological community,
531
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:42,515
because nothing before 10,000 BC
could exist on Earth,
532
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:45,317
because that is what
mainstream archaeology suggests.
533
00:24:45,351 --> 00:24:48,655
And they said, "Well,
can you show us anywhere else
534
00:24:48,688 --> 00:24:50,823
-on the planet..."
-But hunter-gatherers were
around 10,000 years ago.
535
00:24:50,857 --> 00:24:52,525
But an archaeological,
like, a structure,
536
00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:54,193
-a monumental structure.
-Uh-huh. Oh, I see.
537
00:24:54,226 --> 00:24:59,732
But in 1993, Gobekli Tepe
was suddenly discovered,
538
00:24:59,766 --> 00:25:03,302
and mainstream archaeologists
agree that this is
539
00:25:03,335 --> 00:25:05,304
a minimum of 12,000 years old.
540
00:25:05,337 --> 00:25:07,073
Which is the same age
as the... as the Sphinx.
541
00:25:07,106 --> 00:25:08,207
Yes.
542
00:25:09,075 --> 00:25:11,210
NARRATOR:
The ancient stone complex
543
00:25:11,243 --> 00:25:13,512
unearthed
in Southeastern Turkey--
544
00:25:13,546 --> 00:25:15,848
known as Gobekli Tepe--
545
00:25:15,882 --> 00:25:19,218
contains the world's oldest
known megalithic structures.
546
00:25:19,251 --> 00:25:22,689
With monoliths weighing
up to ten tons
547
00:25:22,722 --> 00:25:24,557
and sophisticated carvings,
548
00:25:24,591 --> 00:25:27,393
experts say that
only an advanced civilization
549
00:25:27,426 --> 00:25:29,261
could have built it.
550
00:25:29,295 --> 00:25:32,231
But according
to mainstream historians,
551
00:25:32,264 --> 00:25:34,767
the world's first
true civilization--
552
00:25:34,801 --> 00:25:37,336
the Sumerians-- did not arise
553
00:25:37,369 --> 00:25:41,373
until thousands of years
after Gobekli Tepe Was built.
554
00:25:42,541 --> 00:25:46,545
One thing that I've
been working on very intensely
555
00:25:46,579 --> 00:25:50,116
over the last 30-plus years
556
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:55,187
is the concept that globally,
civilization goes well back
557
00:25:55,221 --> 00:25:57,456
before 5,000 years ago.
558
00:25:58,490 --> 00:26:00,860
This started when I
started pushing back the age
559
00:26:00,893 --> 00:26:05,732
of the Sphinx based
on the erosional features
560
00:26:05,765 --> 00:26:08,367
and the geological features
561
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,603
that were incompatible
with the arid conditions
562
00:26:10,637 --> 00:26:12,204
at the present day.
563
00:26:12,238 --> 00:26:14,573
Then we had Gobekli Tepe,
564
00:26:14,607 --> 00:26:16,575
and that site goes back
565
00:26:16,609 --> 00:26:20,579
well over 11,000,
12,000 years ago.
566
00:26:20,613 --> 00:26:23,215
PAUL BAHN:
Gobekli Tepe became
567
00:26:23,249 --> 00:26:24,717
one of the most important
archaeological sites
568
00:26:24,751 --> 00:26:25,952
in the world.
569
00:26:25,985 --> 00:26:30,556
These limestone pillars
are up to 18 feet high.
570
00:26:30,589 --> 00:26:32,558
They're beautifully dressed
and smoothed.
571
00:26:32,591 --> 00:26:35,461
We've never seen work like that
from that period before.
572
00:26:35,494 --> 00:26:38,765
And the geomagnetic analyses
that have been done
573
00:26:38,798 --> 00:26:40,599
of what's under the surface
574
00:26:40,633 --> 00:26:42,401
seem to indicate that there are
575
00:26:42,434 --> 00:26:45,905
at least 20 major circular
structures in this mound,
576
00:26:45,938 --> 00:26:50,309
and so far they've dug
up to half of them.
577
00:26:51,310 --> 00:26:53,312
But there's still an awful lot
of work to go.
578
00:26:54,146 --> 00:26:56,515
SCHOCH:
These early sites go back
579
00:26:56,548 --> 00:26:59,285
to the end of the last ice age.
580
00:26:59,318 --> 00:27:03,422
We now know, based on a lot
of geological data,
581
00:27:03,455 --> 00:27:06,793
that there were
incredible climatic changes
582
00:27:06,826 --> 00:27:09,696
at the end of the last ice age.
583
00:27:10,629 --> 00:27:14,801
There were well-developed
cultures, I believe,
584
00:27:14,834 --> 00:27:16,703
probably around the world
585
00:27:16,736 --> 00:27:19,638
at this early period.
586
00:27:21,573 --> 00:27:24,811
Okay, but when you talk about
something like ancient healing,
587
00:27:24,844 --> 00:27:27,714
and we discover that...
Lister discovers, uh,
588
00:27:27,747 --> 00:27:31,483
bacteria, uh, cleanliness...
589
00:27:31,517 --> 00:27:33,953
why didn't they know that
4,000 years ago?
590
00:27:33,986 --> 00:27:36,388
HENRY:
A key tenet
of ancient astronaut theory
591
00:27:36,422 --> 00:27:39,558
is that we have lost knowledge.
592
00:27:39,591 --> 00:27:41,828
We are a civilization
with amnesia.
593
00:27:41,861 --> 00:27:44,363
We don't know our past.
594
00:27:44,396 --> 00:27:46,165
Wow.
595
00:27:49,068 --> 00:27:51,804
Somebody, uh, explain to me--
596
00:27:51,838 --> 00:27:54,340
and I know a little
but not enough--
597
00:27:54,373 --> 00:27:56,809
about practical knowledge
in ancient times
598
00:27:56,843 --> 00:28:00,212
that, uh, is, um... unexplained.
599
00:28:00,246 --> 00:28:02,514
A key tenet
of ancient astronaut theory
600
00:28:02,548 --> 00:28:05,651
is that we have lost knowledge.
601
00:28:05,684 --> 00:28:07,987
We are a civilization
with amnesia.
602
00:28:08,020 --> 00:28:10,823
-We don't know our past.
-That's true.
603
00:28:10,857 --> 00:28:12,658
-CARTER: Oh, yes.
-Oh, yeah.
-CHILDRESS: What traditions say
604
00:28:12,691 --> 00:28:17,563
all over the world is there have
been civilizations before us.
605
00:28:17,596 --> 00:28:19,999
They have risen and fallen.
606
00:28:20,032 --> 00:28:21,500
TAYLOR:
Don't forget that the planet is
607
00:28:21,533 --> 00:28:23,502
four and a half billion
years old.
608
00:28:23,535 --> 00:28:24,937
-Don't forget that.
-Yeah.
609
00:28:24,971 --> 00:28:26,739
We're... This solar system
has been here
610
00:28:26,773 --> 00:28:28,507
for four and a half billion
years.
611
00:28:28,540 --> 00:28:31,210
-Mm-hmm.
-And humanity,
as far as we know,
612
00:28:31,243 --> 00:28:32,845
has only been here
for a few thousand,
613
00:28:32,879 --> 00:28:35,514
-maybe tens of thousands
of years.
-Mm-hmm. Yeah.
614
00:28:35,547 --> 00:28:37,516
So what happened before that?
615
00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:39,518
And we know
from the fossil records
616
00:28:39,551 --> 00:28:41,921
that there were
many mass extinctions.
617
00:28:41,954 --> 00:28:45,357
So who's to say civilizations
don't rise and fall
618
00:28:45,391 --> 00:28:46,625
for over long periods of time?
619
00:28:46,658 --> 00:28:50,029
But the mass extinctions...
We-we... archaeologists know
620
00:28:50,062 --> 00:28:52,031
what those mass extinctions were
621
00:28:52,064 --> 00:28:53,766
and what was alive at that time
622
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,367
and what almost petered out.
623
00:28:55,401 --> 00:28:57,403
I mean, it-it's...
624
00:28:57,436 --> 00:28:58,805
-there in the earth.
-But there were...
625
00:28:58,838 --> 00:29:01,473
there were civilizations there,
there were, that came and went.
626
00:29:01,507 --> 00:29:03,309
-Well...
-Part of it is,
627
00:29:03,342 --> 00:29:06,745
it's how we look at the past,
and modern archaeologists
628
00:29:06,779 --> 00:29:08,948
are just assuming;
it's an assumption.
629
00:29:08,981 --> 00:29:10,316
Well, they're
from the Stone Age.
630
00:29:10,349 --> 00:29:11,650
They don't have electricity.
631
00:29:11,683 --> 00:29:13,052
They don't have machines.
632
00:29:13,085 --> 00:29:14,887
They don't have heavy equipment.
633
00:29:14,921 --> 00:29:16,155
(clears throat):
Um, you know,
634
00:29:16,188 --> 00:29:19,425
they don't have power plants
and things like that.
635
00:29:19,458 --> 00:29:21,460
But that may be
completely wrong.
636
00:29:21,493 --> 00:29:22,561
-Right.
-The evidence is there
637
00:29:22,594 --> 00:29:24,897
that in ancient times
they had electricity,
638
00:29:24,931 --> 00:29:25,898
they had batteries, they had...
639
00:29:25,932 --> 00:29:27,666
-Look at the Baghdad Battery.
-Yeah.
640
00:29:27,699 --> 00:29:29,035
They had batteries?
641
00:29:30,636 --> 00:29:32,571
NARRATOR:
In 1938,
642
00:29:32,604 --> 00:29:35,474
the director
of the National Museum of Iraq
643
00:29:35,507 --> 00:29:38,077
discovered in the archives
terra-cotta pots
644
00:29:38,110 --> 00:29:40,813
and copper cylinders
that may have been used
645
00:29:40,847 --> 00:29:42,815
as galvanic cells.
646
00:29:42,849 --> 00:29:45,852
The nearly 2,000-year-old
devices,
647
00:29:45,885 --> 00:29:48,420
called "Baghdad Batteries,"
648
00:29:48,454 --> 00:29:51,290
are believed to predate the
invention of the cell battery
649
00:29:51,323 --> 00:29:53,792
by more than 1,000 years.
650
00:29:53,826 --> 00:29:56,929
JASON MARTELL:
Usually a Baghdad Battery
would consist of a clay pot,
651
00:29:56,963 --> 00:29:58,697
and it would have an iron rod
652
00:29:58,730 --> 00:30:01,467
surrounded
by an asphalt stopper.
653
00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:04,003
And you'd pour any type of
weak acidic liquid in there--
654
00:30:04,036 --> 00:30:06,505
wine, grape juice, vinegar--
655
00:30:06,538 --> 00:30:09,308
and with a voltmeter,
you can consistently get
656
00:30:09,341 --> 00:30:12,411
about four volts
with something about that large.
657
00:30:13,412 --> 00:30:16,515
Now, all over Egypt,
we see large vials,
658
00:30:16,548 --> 00:30:20,452
which could be a representation
of a much larger Baghdad Battery
659
00:30:20,486 --> 00:30:23,389
being able to generate
a much larger current.
660
00:30:24,857 --> 00:30:26,725
NARRATOR:
Mainstream scientists agree
661
00:30:26,758 --> 00:30:29,461
that the Baghdad Battery
is evidence
662
00:30:29,495 --> 00:30:32,398
that ancient people had
the means to create power
663
00:30:32,431 --> 00:30:35,701
and the understanding
of how to apply it.
664
00:30:35,734 --> 00:30:38,037
Might our ancestors
have possessed
665
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:40,739
other advanced technology?
666
00:30:40,772 --> 00:30:44,676
So, today there is a carving
667
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:47,146
in Egypt, uh,
at the Dendera Temple,
668
00:30:47,179 --> 00:30:49,648
and it's in a underground crypt.
669
00:30:49,681 --> 00:30:51,850
And it is this depiction
670
00:30:51,884 --> 00:30:53,920
of what looks like--
671
00:30:53,953 --> 00:30:57,356
Archaeologists refer to it
as a snake and a lotus flower.
672
00:30:57,389 --> 00:31:00,392
But what's so interesting is
the hieroglyphics
673
00:31:00,426 --> 00:31:02,828
that have been translated
not only say
674
00:31:02,861 --> 00:31:06,365
that what is depicted here
is dangerous
675
00:31:06,398 --> 00:31:09,936
but also it is
the bringer of light.
676
00:31:09,969 --> 00:31:12,371
-And so you...
-Wait a minute.
So the hieroglyphics warn you
677
00:31:12,404 --> 00:31:14,673
but also say
it's the bringer of light.
678
00:31:14,706 --> 00:31:15,507
-Yes.
-So that wants you--
679
00:31:15,541 --> 00:31:17,209
It's both "stay away"
and "come."
680
00:31:17,243 --> 00:31:20,012
-(overlapping chatter)
-Well, and the hieroglyphics
show a...
681
00:31:20,046 --> 00:31:22,949
a detailed drawing
of the equipment.
682
00:31:24,416 --> 00:31:27,619
NARRATOR:
The reliefs that have become
known as the Dendera bulbs
683
00:31:27,653 --> 00:31:31,123
are carved into the walls
of a 4,000-year-old temple
684
00:31:31,157 --> 00:31:34,726
dedicated to the Egyptian
sky goddess Hathor.
685
00:31:35,727 --> 00:31:36,895
Within the temple,
686
00:31:36,929 --> 00:31:40,132
Hathor is depicted sailing
in a ship of eternity
687
00:31:40,166 --> 00:31:42,701
along the Milky Way.
688
00:31:42,734 --> 00:31:45,537
Ancient astronaut theorists
suggest
689
00:31:45,571 --> 00:31:47,539
that this is, in fact,
690
00:31:47,573 --> 00:31:50,642
a representation
of an extraterrestrial arriving
691
00:31:50,676 --> 00:31:52,744
in a flying craft
692
00:31:52,778 --> 00:31:55,614
and the Dendera bulbs
are a technology
693
00:31:55,647 --> 00:31:57,516
they gave to the Egyptians.
694
00:31:59,585 --> 00:32:02,054
The reason why we have proposed
695
00:32:02,088 --> 00:32:05,958
that in Dendera we have
depictions of light bulbs
696
00:32:05,992 --> 00:32:10,462
is because you have that cable
coming out of that lotus flower
697
00:32:10,496 --> 00:32:15,434
or the bulb's socket that goes
underneath it to a box.
698
00:32:15,467 --> 00:32:19,138
And the actual bulb rests
699
00:32:19,171 --> 00:32:22,141
on what's called a djed pillar.
700
00:32:22,174 --> 00:32:24,843
And a djed pillar
is always referred to
701
00:32:24,876 --> 00:32:28,914
as something to do
with significant power.
702
00:32:28,947 --> 00:32:31,150
And so the suggestion is
703
00:32:31,183 --> 00:32:33,952
that the extraterrestrials
provided lighting sources
704
00:32:33,986 --> 00:32:39,625
and then that was also put
in stone.
705
00:32:40,492 --> 00:32:43,095
There is a-a theory that sound
706
00:32:43,129 --> 00:32:44,496
could levitate something
707
00:32:44,530 --> 00:32:48,800
and-and that may be the answer
to-to these giant megaliths
708
00:32:48,834 --> 00:32:51,803
that seemed to be too heavy
for even us to-to lift.
709
00:32:51,837 --> 00:32:55,007
-Address that.
-Well, there are so many
of the ancient astronaut legends
710
00:32:55,041 --> 00:32:58,210
-where the big blocks
were levitated in.
-Yeah, there are ancient...
711
00:32:59,711 --> 00:33:03,282
NARRATOR:
One of the most well-known
ancient stories of levitation
712
00:33:03,315 --> 00:33:06,618
can be found
on Chile's Easter Island,
713
00:33:06,652 --> 00:33:08,154
where standing
along the shoreline
714
00:33:08,187 --> 00:33:12,124
are nearly 900 megalithic
stone statues called moai
715
00:33:12,158 --> 00:33:14,926
that weigh up to 90 tons each.
716
00:33:16,928 --> 00:33:20,966
According to the oral traditions
of the native Rapa Nui people,
717
00:33:20,999 --> 00:33:24,070
a type of energy known as mana
718
00:33:24,103 --> 00:33:27,639
was used to levitate
the giant sculptures into place.
719
00:33:27,673 --> 00:33:31,743
Curiously, similar stories
can be found in association
720
00:33:31,777 --> 00:33:35,881
with other ancient megalithic
sites all over the world,
721
00:33:35,914 --> 00:33:38,717
like Stonehenge in England,
722
00:33:38,750 --> 00:33:41,087
the Great Pyramid in Egypt,
723
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,090
the Uxmal pyramid in Mexico,
724
00:33:44,123 --> 00:33:46,992
Nan Madol in Micronesia
725
00:33:47,025 --> 00:33:49,595
and Puma Punku in Bolivia.
726
00:33:51,097 --> 00:33:53,532
It would be one thing to me
727
00:33:53,565 --> 00:33:57,536
if this levitation of stones
across an island
728
00:33:57,569 --> 00:34:00,706
would be the only story
or legend worldwide.
729
00:34:02,074 --> 00:34:04,176
But the fact of the matter is
730
00:34:04,210 --> 00:34:06,212
that we have multiple stories
731
00:34:06,245 --> 00:34:10,549
that these stones
somehow were levitated
732
00:34:10,582 --> 00:34:12,951
or flown through the air.
733
00:34:13,752 --> 00:34:15,521
NARRATOR:
Is it possible
734
00:34:15,554 --> 00:34:17,022
that acoustic technology
735
00:34:17,055 --> 00:34:22,228
could levitate stones weighing
tens and even hundreds of tons?
736
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:25,897
Uh, my father said when he--
they were testing sh--
737
00:34:25,931 --> 00:34:29,034
uh, shake testing
the Saturn V first stage
738
00:34:29,067 --> 00:34:31,870
that they used a thing that
the German scientists created
739
00:34:31,903 --> 00:34:34,740
using wind tunnels
and made a big flute horn.
740
00:34:34,773 --> 00:34:36,808
And it-- they shot it
with acoustic,
741
00:34:36,842 --> 00:34:39,811
uh, energy and they called it
the Jericho device--
742
00:34:39,845 --> 00:34:42,047
because it was like
a big Jericho horn--
743
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,717
and it would shake the-the stage
and-and mimic launch,
744
00:34:45,751 --> 00:34:47,085
the vibration of a launch.
745
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:50,122
And he said one day they tuned
it to a particular frequency
746
00:34:50,156 --> 00:34:53,925
and, when it did, that it broke
the bolts that were--
747
00:34:53,959 --> 00:34:57,729
that had this first stage
bored into the concrete,
748
00:34:57,763 --> 00:34:59,998
picked the rocket first stage
up-- it had to weigh tons--
749
00:35:00,031 --> 00:35:01,967
and moved it several meters.
750
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,769
And they were afraid
it was gonna fall over
751
00:35:03,802 --> 00:35:05,103
-and destroy the first stage.
-Wow.
752
00:35:05,137 --> 00:35:07,072
TAYLOR:
And so that's...
753
00:35:07,105 --> 00:35:08,073
-Yeah, wow.
-And that's part of--
754
00:35:08,106 --> 00:35:10,676
part of the mystique of...
the-the subject,
755
00:35:10,709 --> 00:35:12,978
that sound is mathematical.
756
00:35:13,011 --> 00:35:15,147
Uh, you can draw mathematics
757
00:35:15,181 --> 00:35:18,284
to sound
and maybe find the formula
758
00:35:18,317 --> 00:35:20,752
for the kind of sound you need.
759
00:35:20,786 --> 00:35:22,754
That's so totally fascinating.
760
00:35:22,788 --> 00:35:25,291
And the idea that the stones
were cut like a--
761
00:35:25,324 --> 00:35:28,160
with a machine. Was it your dad
that saw machine cuts on...
762
00:35:28,194 --> 00:35:30,028
-on-on the...
-And several others have.
Several others have seen 'em.
763
00:35:30,061 --> 00:35:32,298
So-so talk to me about that,
764
00:35:32,331 --> 00:35:35,133
because that,
that's less dreaming.
765
00:35:35,167 --> 00:35:39,171
There's a place
in the high Andes on a plateau
766
00:35:39,205 --> 00:35:41,039
called Puma Punku.
767
00:35:41,072 --> 00:35:44,276
It's one of the most magnificent
sites on planet Earth.
768
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:46,845
And there, strewn about,
769
00:35:46,878 --> 00:35:52,050
are these big platforms
made out of red sandstone.
770
00:35:52,083 --> 00:35:53,719
And they're massive,
771
00:35:53,752 --> 00:35:57,155
and some of 'em
are up to 60 tons. 6-0.
772
00:35:57,189 --> 00:36:01,827
But amongst these stones
are also andesite blocks.
773
00:36:01,860 --> 00:36:04,963
There is one rectangular block.
774
00:36:04,996 --> 00:36:06,332
It's about this high.
775
00:36:06,365 --> 00:36:09,735
And on one side,
there is a perfect groove
776
00:36:09,768 --> 00:36:11,370
that is so--
777
00:36:11,403 --> 00:36:13,472
(stammers)
the edges are so perfect,
778
00:36:13,505 --> 00:36:16,174
that if you were to go down
like this with your thumb,
779
00:36:16,208 --> 00:36:17,409
you could cut yourself.
780
00:36:17,443 --> 00:36:19,445
*
781
00:36:23,415 --> 00:36:26,352
NARRATOR:
Giorgio Tsoukalos
has been studying Puma Punku
782
00:36:26,385 --> 00:36:28,086
for more than two decades
783
00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:31,223
and has made over a dozen visits
to the ancient site.
784
00:36:31,257 --> 00:36:34,893
This is... It's beautiful.
785
00:36:34,926 --> 00:36:37,496
NARRATOR:
During one such visit in 2014,
786
00:36:37,529 --> 00:36:39,898
he documented his investigation
787
00:36:39,931 --> 00:36:41,867
of the incredible stonework
788
00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:45,537
found among
the mysterious megalithic ruins.
789
00:36:46,905 --> 00:36:48,740
So, this is--
this is pretty amazing.
790
00:36:48,774 --> 00:36:51,877
I mean, check this out. If you
look at this groove right here,
791
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:55,781
you simply cannot do this
with primitive tools.
792
00:36:55,814 --> 00:37:00,386
And you've got these holes
drilled at an equidistant,
793
00:37:00,419 --> 00:37:04,723
as if it's some type of
a female piece to a male piece.
794
00:37:04,756 --> 00:37:07,859
I mean, these look
like technical components,
795
00:37:07,893 --> 00:37:13,865
part of a larger, almost
industrial-type construction.
796
00:37:13,899 --> 00:37:16,902
I've got a little paper clip,
797
00:37:16,935 --> 00:37:19,371
ordinary paper clip,
that I've just unfurled
798
00:37:19,405 --> 00:37:22,040
to see how deep they go.
799
00:37:22,073 --> 00:37:26,978
And they actually go equidistant
all the way down.
800
00:37:27,012 --> 00:37:29,080
I mean, that is something
801
00:37:29,114 --> 00:37:33,251
that cannot be achieved
with-with chicken bones.
802
00:37:35,421 --> 00:37:38,223
So, is there any explanation as
to how they carved it? Anything?
803
00:37:38,256 --> 00:37:40,759
So, according
to the local legends
804
00:37:40,792 --> 00:37:43,329
that go back a long, long time,
805
00:37:43,362 --> 00:37:47,766
they say that this was built
by the so-called gods.
806
00:37:47,799 --> 00:37:51,002
Now, whenever I hear stories
about the gods, my ears perk up.
807
00:37:51,036 --> 00:37:54,072
Nobody discusses the question
or asks the question
808
00:37:54,105 --> 00:37:55,807
"who were these gods?"
809
00:37:55,841 --> 00:37:57,142
What are we talking about?
810
00:37:57,175 --> 00:38:02,448
Everything that we call
"advanced" in the ancient days
811
00:38:02,481 --> 00:38:05,917
from which we would ask,
where did this come from?
812
00:38:05,951 --> 00:38:08,354
-SHATNER: But...
-Now, you could say
it came from the angels.
813
00:38:08,387 --> 00:38:10,188
-You could say
it came from aliens.
-(overlapping chatter)
814
00:38:10,221 --> 00:38:11,923
Here-Here's the crazy part.
815
00:38:11,957 --> 00:38:14,292
We could not build the pyramids
today.
816
00:38:14,326 --> 00:38:16,328
We cannot build
the pyramids today.
817
00:38:16,362 --> 00:38:17,529
Why not?
818
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:24,302
What we're talking about here
at this table
819
00:38:24,336 --> 00:38:26,938
is physical evidence
820
00:38:26,972 --> 00:38:29,307
that ancient aliens, uh,
821
00:38:29,341 --> 00:38:31,377
came here, are here, were here.
822
00:38:31,410 --> 00:38:34,380
Talk to me about-- the first one
that comes to mind,
823
00:38:34,413 --> 00:38:36,882
of course, is the, uh, pyramid.
824
00:38:36,915 --> 00:38:39,451
Remember where Moses brought
the children of Israel out from.
825
00:38:39,485 --> 00:38:40,819
-Egypt.
-HENRY: Egypt.
826
00:38:40,852 --> 00:38:42,988
TZADOK:
The Torah
827
00:38:43,021 --> 00:38:44,155
and the Jewish tradition,
828
00:38:44,189 --> 00:38:47,292
which is the foundation
of Western tradition,
829
00:38:47,325 --> 00:38:49,728
originally came out of Egypt.
830
00:38:49,761 --> 00:38:53,231
-Right.
-All right? In the tradition
that later became the Bible,
831
00:38:53,264 --> 00:38:56,502
ideas, beliefs like
the Ark of the Covenant, they--
832
00:38:56,535 --> 00:38:59,905
these things
were clearly based upon
833
00:38:59,938 --> 00:39:02,273
knowledge that was brought out
of Egypt.
834
00:39:02,307 --> 00:39:03,208
CHILDRESS:
Erich von Daniken
835
00:39:03,241 --> 00:39:04,743
said an interesting thing there,
too,
836
00:39:04,776 --> 00:39:08,914
that the Great Pyramid of Egypt
is not a tomb for the pharaohs,
837
00:39:08,947 --> 00:39:11,149
-uh, but rather a-a repository
-SHATNER: A-a library.
838
00:39:11,182 --> 00:39:12,150
of ancient knowledge.
839
00:39:12,183 --> 00:39:14,019
-It's a library.
-Yeah.
840
00:39:16,187 --> 00:39:17,856
NARRATOR:
Egypt's Great Pyramid
841
00:39:17,889 --> 00:39:19,825
is perhaps the most familiar
842
00:39:19,858 --> 00:39:24,329
and most mysterious megalithic
structure in all the world.
843
00:39:24,362 --> 00:39:28,266
It is the oldest and largest
of the three pyramids
844
00:39:28,299 --> 00:39:31,202
that stand on the Giza Plateau.
845
00:39:31,236 --> 00:39:34,005
But exactly how and why
846
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:38,043
the Great Pyramid was
constructed remains a mystery.
847
00:39:39,878 --> 00:39:41,947
The Great Pyramid of Giza
848
00:39:41,980 --> 00:39:45,517
isn't just one of the Seven
Ancient Wonders of the World.
849
00:39:45,551 --> 00:39:48,053
It's the most ancient
of them all.
850
00:39:49,421 --> 00:39:52,558
And it's the only one
still standing.
851
00:39:52,591 --> 00:39:55,093
And it's what's inside
the Great Pyramid of Giza
852
00:39:55,126 --> 00:39:57,262
that is
absolutely mind-boggling.
853
00:39:58,163 --> 00:40:02,233
You look at a beautiful,
perfect tunnel
854
00:40:02,267 --> 00:40:06,071
with perfectly smooth walls
855
00:40:06,104 --> 00:40:10,476
and a vaulted ceiling
that rises all the way up.
856
00:40:10,509 --> 00:40:13,111
And there are shafts, tunnels,
857
00:40:13,144 --> 00:40:16,381
and the architecture
and the way it was built
858
00:40:16,414 --> 00:40:18,917
is a mystery till today.
859
00:40:20,118 --> 00:40:21,953
NARRATOR:
The Great Pyramid
860
00:40:21,987 --> 00:40:24,222
consists of nearly
two and a half million
861
00:40:24,255 --> 00:40:26,825
limestone and granite blocks,
862
00:40:26,858 --> 00:40:31,463
many of which were quarried
from 500 miles away.
863
00:40:31,497 --> 00:40:35,433
It stands 480 feet high,
864
00:40:35,467 --> 00:40:37,903
covers 13 acres
865
00:40:37,936 --> 00:40:42,040
and has an estimated mass
of six million tons.
866
00:40:42,841 --> 00:40:45,343
According to most Egyptologists,
867
00:40:45,376 --> 00:40:47,445
this miracle of engineering
868
00:40:47,479 --> 00:40:49,915
was constructed
during a 20-year period
869
00:40:49,948 --> 00:40:51,850
by order of the pharaoh Khufu
870
00:40:51,883 --> 00:40:55,053
sometime around 2500 BC.
871
00:40:55,954 --> 00:40:59,625
But many experts
dispute this notion,
872
00:40:59,658 --> 00:41:02,160
and ancient astronaut
theorists suggest
873
00:41:02,193 --> 00:41:06,131
the origins of the Great Pyramid
are far more profound.
874
00:41:08,466 --> 00:41:11,202
This is... applies to this
discussion right now, you know,
875
00:41:11,236 --> 00:41:13,972
to move these blocks
in the sand,
876
00:41:14,005 --> 00:41:16,207
because anybody who's ever
played in the sandbox
877
00:41:16,241 --> 00:41:17,609
or anybody who's been
to the beach,
878
00:41:17,643 --> 00:41:20,445
it's very difficult to do.
879
00:41:20,478 --> 00:41:24,215
And if you have
a 75-ton block...
880
00:41:24,249 --> 00:41:25,651
-60.
-Or 60, and...
881
00:41:25,684 --> 00:41:28,119
-No, 15 tons is a lot more.
-No, no.
882
00:41:28,153 --> 00:41:30,956
They all vary, by the way. There
are, inside the Grand Gallery,
883
00:41:30,989 --> 00:41:33,491
-there are some
75-ton blocks in there.
-Really?
884
00:41:33,525 --> 00:41:35,393
So, they floated them
on barges, and then...
885
00:41:35,426 --> 00:41:37,062
-But the bottom line is...
-And then they picked them up,
886
00:41:37,095 --> 00:41:38,129
and they took them up on the...
887
00:41:38,163 --> 00:41:39,665
SHATNER:
But-but okay,
888
00:41:39,698 --> 00:41:41,499
-so I-I can get beyond...
-(overlapping chatter)
889
00:41:41,533 --> 00:41:44,636
H-Hold on. I-I need you
to explain to me the timeline.
890
00:41:44,670 --> 00:41:47,238
What was the... what's the
pyramids supposed to be?
891
00:41:47,272 --> 00:41:50,241
-4,500 years.
-4,500.
-4,500...
892
00:41:50,275 --> 00:41:52,644
So-so the Sphinx predated
the-the pyramids.
893
00:41:52,678 --> 00:41:56,381
Yes, and so, today, according
to some archaeologists,
894
00:41:56,414 --> 00:42:00,151
it is 12 thou... a minimum
of 12,000 years old.
895
00:42:00,185 --> 00:42:02,688
-Which is the same age
as the... as the Sphinx.
-Yes.
896
00:42:04,690 --> 00:42:07,392
NARRATOR:
The dating of the Great Pyramid
has been the subject
897
00:42:07,425 --> 00:42:09,928
of much controversy,
and over the years,
898
00:42:09,961 --> 00:42:13,599
many experts have suggested
that it was built far earlier
899
00:42:13,632 --> 00:42:16,367
than the reign
of the pharaoh Khufu,
900
00:42:16,401 --> 00:42:20,405
who ruled around 2500 BC.
901
00:42:21,607 --> 00:42:26,177
In 1837, a British colonel
who became an archaeologist,
902
00:42:26,211 --> 00:42:30,415
named Richard Howard Vyse,
used dynamite...
903
00:42:30,448 --> 00:42:32,618
(hissing, explosion)
904
00:42:32,651 --> 00:42:37,455
...to get up into the King's
Chamber of the Great Pyramid.
905
00:42:37,488 --> 00:42:39,390
This was something
that had not been entered
906
00:42:39,424 --> 00:42:42,227
by other archaeologists before.
907
00:42:42,260 --> 00:42:44,562
When he got
into these upper chambers,
908
00:42:44,596 --> 00:42:48,399
he then apparently claimed
that he found
909
00:42:48,433 --> 00:42:51,236
some hieroglyphic cartouches
910
00:42:51,269 --> 00:42:54,405
that mentioned
the pharaoh Khufu.
911
00:42:54,439 --> 00:42:57,142
NARRATOR:
The cartouche, or signature,
912
00:42:57,175 --> 00:43:01,046
of Khufu in the King's Chamber
is what Colonel Vyse used
913
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:05,183
to date the Great Pyramid
to 2500 BC.
914
00:43:06,084 --> 00:43:08,586
But he was under
tremendous pressure
915
00:43:08,620 --> 00:43:10,288
to make a major discovery
916
00:43:10,321 --> 00:43:14,559
due to the enormous cost
of his expedition,
917
00:43:14,592 --> 00:43:16,427
and some researchers
have suggested
918
00:43:16,461 --> 00:43:19,464
that he may have actually
fabricated this evidence.
919
00:43:19,497 --> 00:43:22,600
CHILDRESS:
Recently it has been discovered,
920
00:43:22,634 --> 00:43:26,604
by going through
Vyse's journals,
921
00:43:26,638 --> 00:43:29,074
that he, in his journals,
actually says
922
00:43:29,107 --> 00:43:32,610
that there were no hieroglyphs
within this chamber.
923
00:43:32,644 --> 00:43:35,413
And so, it is suspected
924
00:43:35,446 --> 00:43:39,250
that Vyse did, in fact,
forge this cartouche
925
00:43:39,284 --> 00:43:41,186
of the pharaoh Khufu.
926
00:43:41,219 --> 00:43:43,421
NARRATOR:
Is it possible
927
00:43:43,454 --> 00:43:45,456
that the Great Pyramid of Giza
928
00:43:45,490 --> 00:43:48,626
was constructed long
before the reign of Khufu,
929
00:43:48,660 --> 00:43:52,197
and with the help
of extraterrestrials?
930
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:57,202
Ancient astronaut theorists say
yes, and as further evidence,
931
00:43:57,235 --> 00:43:59,470
point to a very curious detail
932
00:43:59,504 --> 00:44:02,640
regarding the placement
of the pyramid.
933
00:44:02,674 --> 00:44:05,176
TAYLOR:
Here's something else, Bill.
934
00:44:05,210 --> 00:44:09,214
The central peak of the pyramid,
its location on the planet,
935
00:44:09,247 --> 00:44:11,382
coincides with the location
936
00:44:11,416 --> 00:44:14,352
that is the same number, out
to about ten digits at least,
937
00:44:14,385 --> 00:44:16,354
-as the speed of light.
-What do you mean,
the same number?
938
00:44:16,387 --> 00:44:17,823
What does that...
what does that mean?
939
00:44:17,856 --> 00:44:20,658
So the speed of light
is like 2.99879...
940
00:44:20,692 --> 00:44:23,161
Okay, so if you project a photon
out of the tip of the...
941
00:44:23,194 --> 00:44:26,631
No. No. No, no, no, no. If you
look at the position on Earth
942
00:44:26,664 --> 00:44:28,633
that it is, its location
on the map...
943
00:44:28,666 --> 00:44:30,335
-SHATNER:
The geographic location?
-Geographic location.
944
00:44:30,368 --> 00:44:32,370
-Is what?
-Geographic location,
and then the-the...
945
00:44:32,403 --> 00:44:34,505
The number
that describes its position,
946
00:44:34,539 --> 00:44:38,343
uh, an inclination is the same
number as the speed of light.
947
00:44:40,345 --> 00:44:43,181
NARRATOR:
The latitudinal coordinate
for the Great Pyramid
948
00:44:43,214 --> 00:44:48,086
is 29.9792458 degrees north,
949
00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:51,356
a number that exactly matches
the speed of light
950
00:44:51,389 --> 00:44:54,092
when measured
in meters per second.
951
00:44:54,125 --> 00:44:58,196
Now that's interesting because
the Great Pyramid is known,
952
00:44:58,229 --> 00:45:00,531
um, as the "Mountain of Light."
953
00:45:00,565 --> 00:45:03,368
So here we have the value
of the speed of light
954
00:45:03,401 --> 00:45:05,771
encoded into the Great Pyramid.
955
00:45:05,804 --> 00:45:07,739
Another thing we find, as well,
956
00:45:07,773 --> 00:45:10,842
is that the location of the
Great Pyramid is really unique,
957
00:45:10,876 --> 00:45:14,179
because at that
specific location,
958
00:45:14,212 --> 00:45:16,281
if you pass a great circle
959
00:45:16,314 --> 00:45:19,217
from the Great Pyramid
through its cardinal
960
00:45:19,250 --> 00:45:22,253
and its ordinal directions,
961
00:45:22,287 --> 00:45:25,523
what you find is that
these circles will pass
962
00:45:25,556 --> 00:45:28,259
through more land mass
of the Earth
963
00:45:28,293 --> 00:45:32,197
than any other location
on the Earth.
964
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:34,866
You find that the Great Pyramid
is essentially located
965
00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:37,568
at the center
of the world's landmass.
966
00:45:37,602 --> 00:45:40,305
TSOUKALOS:
This is amazing stuff.
967
00:45:40,338 --> 00:45:42,808
When you consider
the vast amount of information
968
00:45:42,841 --> 00:45:45,576
about the Earth encoded
into the Great Pyramid,
969
00:45:45,610 --> 00:45:49,447
you cannot consider it all
to be coincidence.
970
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,416
NARRATOR:
Is it possible,
971
00:45:51,449 --> 00:45:54,419
as ancient astronaut
theorists suggest,
972
00:45:54,452 --> 00:45:57,222
that the information encoded
in the Great Pyramid of Giza
973
00:45:57,255 --> 00:46:00,758
is a signature
of its alien architects?
974
00:46:02,427 --> 00:46:05,163
Sophisticated mathematical
975
00:46:05,196 --> 00:46:08,166
and-and scientific concepts
are being embedded,
976
00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:10,435
were embedded into the pyramids.
977
00:46:10,468 --> 00:46:14,472
Correct me if I'm wrong, but
there are still hidden chambers
978
00:46:14,505 --> 00:46:18,243
that many believe are still
to be discovered in the pyramids
979
00:46:18,276 --> 00:46:20,245
and that might give us
the answers.
980
00:46:20,278 --> 00:46:22,780
The King's Chamber of the
Great Pyramid is about the size
981
00:46:22,814 --> 00:46:24,782
of this room right here,
and there are room
982
00:46:24,816 --> 00:46:27,518
for 47 more of these rooms
inside the pyramid.
983
00:46:27,552 --> 00:46:28,954
And just three years ago,
we discovered
984
00:46:28,987 --> 00:46:30,488
that when you go
into the pyramid...
985
00:46:30,521 --> 00:46:32,457
And I've been in there 40 times.
986
00:46:32,490 --> 00:46:35,760
-Have you?
-Yes, and you ascend
the Grand Gallery.
987
00:46:35,793 --> 00:46:38,796
And now we know that riding
upon the Grand Gallery
988
00:46:38,830 --> 00:46:41,432
is another chamber
that we knew nothing about
989
00:46:41,466 --> 00:46:42,968
-until a few years ago.
-Massive.
990
00:46:43,001 --> 00:46:45,703
-And so now, we have...
-Did we open it?
991
00:46:45,736 --> 00:46:48,306
-We haven't opened it yet.
-Why not?
992
00:46:48,339 --> 00:46:49,674
Well, talk
to the Egyptian authorities.
993
00:46:49,707 --> 00:46:51,509
SHATNER:
You're-you're giving me facts,
994
00:46:51,542 --> 00:46:53,544
but you haven't convinced me.
995
00:46:53,578 --> 00:46:56,948
To me, it's improbable
996
00:46:56,982 --> 00:47:00,651
that a spaceship, given
the unimaginable distances,
997
00:47:00,685 --> 00:47:03,288
could traverse those distances.
998
00:47:03,321 --> 00:47:05,423
Does anybody have an answer
to that here?
999
00:47:11,096 --> 00:47:12,530
In a universe nearly
14 billion years old,
1000
00:47:12,563 --> 00:47:14,799
civilizations might be out there
1001
00:47:14,832 --> 00:47:16,834
-with millions
of years head start.
-Right.
1002
00:47:16,868 --> 00:47:19,470
Yeah, just because
we can't do it
1003
00:47:19,504 --> 00:47:22,007
-doesn't mean
somebody else can't.
-Right.
1004
00:47:23,875 --> 00:47:25,843
I've actually had
conversations with, uh,
1005
00:47:25,877 --> 00:47:27,478
Michio Kaku several times
1006
00:47:27,512 --> 00:47:30,916
about the idea
of what we would have to do
1007
00:47:30,949 --> 00:47:33,551
in modern day
to build a warp drive
1008
00:47:33,584 --> 00:47:35,987
to travel between the stars.
1009
00:47:36,021 --> 00:47:39,824
NARRATOR:
The ancient astronaut theory
suggests
1010
00:47:39,857 --> 00:47:42,760
that aliens from another world
and most likely,
1011
00:47:42,793 --> 00:47:47,198
another star system, came
to Earth in the distant past.
1012
00:47:47,232 --> 00:47:50,601
Mainstream scientists,
however, argue
1013
00:47:50,635 --> 00:47:54,739
that the distances between stars
are simply too vast
1014
00:47:54,772 --> 00:47:57,442
for this to be possible.
1015
00:47:57,475 --> 00:47:59,911
But Dr. Michio Kaku,
1016
00:47:59,945 --> 00:48:02,080
one of the world's
leading theoretical physicists,
1017
00:48:02,113 --> 00:48:05,583
has proposed
that there are likely
1018
00:48:05,616 --> 00:48:08,019
to be other intelligent
beings in the universe
1019
00:48:08,053 --> 00:48:10,888
who are even more advanced
than humans,
1020
00:48:10,922 --> 00:48:14,592
and that they could, in fact,
possess the technology
1021
00:48:14,625 --> 00:48:16,894
to travel between stars.
1022
00:48:18,796 --> 00:48:20,731
Michio Kaku is, uh,
1023
00:48:20,765 --> 00:48:24,269
waiting to talk to us
on the television set. Michio?
1024
00:48:24,302 --> 00:48:28,473
-Yes?
-It's Bill Shatner, and
I'm pleased to see you again.
1025
00:48:28,506 --> 00:48:30,875
Last time we met,
we were talking string theory.
1026
00:48:30,908 --> 00:48:33,478
-That's right.
-Michio, what's your opinion
1027
00:48:33,511 --> 00:48:37,748
of the ancient alien
philosophy, theory, if you will?
1028
00:48:37,782 --> 00:48:40,218
-What do you think about it?
-Well, I think
1029
00:48:40,251 --> 00:48:42,787
we have to keep our minds open,
because first of all,
1030
00:48:42,820 --> 00:48:45,290
we've discovered 4,000 planets
1031
00:48:45,323 --> 00:48:48,159
in our sector
of the Milky Way galaxy.
1032
00:48:48,193 --> 00:48:51,729
We now realize that there could
be literally billions
1033
00:48:51,762 --> 00:48:55,133
of earthlike planets,
some of them twins of the Earth
1034
00:48:55,166 --> 00:48:56,834
in outer space.
And to believe
1035
00:48:56,867 --> 00:48:58,803
that we're the only game
in town,
1036
00:48:58,836 --> 00:49:01,272
I think, is rather presumptuous.
1037
00:49:01,306 --> 00:49:05,676
-Yeah.
-Since the universe is
13.8 billion years old,
1038
00:49:05,710 --> 00:49:10,081
there's plenty of time for
civilization to rise and fall.
1039
00:49:10,115 --> 00:49:14,119
We're discussing here
time travel, warp drive,
1040
00:49:14,152 --> 00:49:17,688
all those things,
and most people think
1041
00:49:17,722 --> 00:49:21,826
that's theoretically possible,
but practically impossible.
1042
00:49:21,859 --> 00:49:23,995
What have you got
to say about that?
1043
00:49:24,029 --> 00:49:27,098
Well, you know, the skeptics
make a big mistake thinking
1044
00:49:27,132 --> 00:49:30,135
that-that aliens
can never visit the Earth
1045
00:49:30,168 --> 00:49:32,337
'cause distances are too large.
1046
00:49:32,370 --> 00:49:35,140
That assumes that the aliens
are maybe only
1047
00:49:35,173 --> 00:49:38,709
100 years more advanced than us.
1048
00:49:38,743 --> 00:49:42,013
But they could be a million
years more advanced than us,
1049
00:49:42,047 --> 00:49:44,649
in which case they might,
1050
00:49:44,682 --> 00:49:50,055
just might, have the capability
of rocketing across space-time
1051
00:49:50,088 --> 00:49:53,158
faster than the speed of light.
1052
00:49:53,191 --> 00:49:55,860
This is not out
of the question at all.
1053
00:49:55,893 --> 00:50:00,031
There are two ways in which
you can use Einstein's equations
1054
00:50:00,065 --> 00:50:02,167
to break the light barrier.
1055
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,202
The first is wormholes.
1056
00:50:04,235 --> 00:50:09,874
NARRATOR:
The concept of traveling
through a wormhole, or stargate,
1057
00:50:09,907 --> 00:50:12,077
as it is sometimes called,
1058
00:50:12,110 --> 00:50:16,147
has become a popular device
in science fiction.
1059
00:50:16,181 --> 00:50:18,716
But the theory was
actually proposed
1060
00:50:18,749 --> 00:50:22,653
by the most famous
astrophysicist who ever lived--
1061
00:50:22,687 --> 00:50:24,689
Albert Einstein.
1062
00:50:24,722 --> 00:50:27,158
In 1935, Einstein
1063
00:50:27,192 --> 00:50:30,695
and fellow physicist
Nathan Rosen theorized
1064
00:50:30,728 --> 00:50:34,031
that two separate points
in space could be connected
1065
00:50:34,065 --> 00:50:36,201
through an Einstein-Rosen
bridge,
1066
00:50:36,234 --> 00:50:39,337
or what we now call a wormhole.
1067
00:50:39,370 --> 00:50:41,672
This would make travel
to the most remote stars
1068
00:50:41,706 --> 00:50:45,276
in the universe
a real possibility.
1069
00:50:45,310 --> 00:50:48,746
What you're talking about is
a structure in space
1070
00:50:48,779 --> 00:50:51,616
that involves very,
very strong bending of space
1071
00:50:51,649 --> 00:50:54,018
and the connecting of two
different parts of space.
1072
00:50:54,051 --> 00:50:57,255
So if you think of a piece of
paper curved around
1073
00:50:57,288 --> 00:50:59,056
and then punched out
and connected
1074
00:50:59,090 --> 00:51:00,391
from one place to the other,
1075
00:51:00,425 --> 00:51:02,960
that's your basic wormhole.
1076
00:51:04,095 --> 00:51:07,265
Alice's looking glass
would be the wormhole.
1077
00:51:07,298 --> 00:51:10,935
That is punching a hole
in space and time.
1078
00:51:10,968 --> 00:51:15,039
The second possibility is
what's explored in Star Trek.
1079
00:51:15,072 --> 00:51:19,043
And that is compressing space
or the Alcubierre drive.
1080
00:51:19,076 --> 00:51:21,379
You know,
Alcubierre once told me
1081
00:51:21,412 --> 00:51:24,249
that he was watching
an episode of Star Trek,
1082
00:51:24,282 --> 00:51:26,784
and said, "Well, if they
do it on Star Trek,
1083
00:51:26,817 --> 00:51:29,887
why can't I as a physicist
do it with Einstein's equations?
1084
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,156
I love it.
1085
00:51:31,189 --> 00:51:35,160
NARRATOR:
In the Star Trek
television series,
1086
00:51:35,193 --> 00:51:38,763
the starship Enterprise is
equipped with a warp drive,
1087
00:51:38,796 --> 00:51:41,232
which enables it
to rocket through space
1088
00:51:41,266 --> 00:51:43,934
faster than the speed of light.
1089
00:51:43,968 --> 00:51:46,937
While some scientists have
suggested that
1090
00:51:46,971 --> 00:51:49,840
faster-than-light travel
is an impossibility,
1091
00:51:49,874 --> 00:51:55,079
in 1994, Mexican theoretical
physicist Miguel Alcubierre
1092
00:51:55,112 --> 00:51:58,849
proposed a warp drive
that would do just that.
1093
00:51:58,883 --> 00:52:01,419
RICHARD DOLAN: Miguel Alcubierre
developed an equation
1094
00:52:01,452 --> 00:52:05,122
of warp drive in which
he developed mathematics
1095
00:52:05,156 --> 00:52:08,693
that said, look, with enough
energy, you could actually
1096
00:52:08,726 --> 00:52:11,196
warp space and time
1097
00:52:11,229 --> 00:52:14,131
around your craft to create
a kind of space-time bubble,
1098
00:52:14,165 --> 00:52:17,802
and in a sense shrink space
in front of you
1099
00:52:17,835 --> 00:52:21,439
and extend that
space behind you.
1100
00:52:21,472 --> 00:52:23,874
So you're not exceeding
the speed of light
1101
00:52:23,908 --> 00:52:25,876
within that bubble.
1102
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:28,946
You're obeying all of the laws
of physics there.
1103
00:52:28,979 --> 00:52:33,451
But you're warping
space and time.
1104
00:52:33,484 --> 00:52:36,020
You compress the space
in front of you,
1105
00:52:36,053 --> 00:52:39,056
expand the space behind you
1106
00:52:39,089 --> 00:52:42,393
and, whomp, you break
the light barrier.
1107
00:52:42,427 --> 00:52:44,495
There's always a catch there.
1108
00:52:44,529 --> 00:52:46,964
You need
fantastic amounts of energy
1109
00:52:46,997 --> 00:52:50,167
in order to do this.
Now, of course, on Star Trek,
1110
00:52:50,201 --> 00:52:52,036
we have the dilithium crystals,
1111
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:55,039
so your spaceship may go zapping
1112
00:52:55,072 --> 00:52:58,042
through at warp speed.
1113
00:52:58,075 --> 00:53:00,878
HENRY: Let's say you're visiting
Earth and you want to leave
1114
00:53:00,911 --> 00:53:03,848
the most important piece
of scientific information
1115
00:53:03,881 --> 00:53:07,485
for these rudimentary...
humans to discover.
1116
00:53:07,518 --> 00:53:09,987
What would you think
that could be?
1117
00:53:10,020 --> 00:53:11,922
Well, I think they would
probably leave a piece
1118
00:53:11,956 --> 00:53:16,527
of their DNA because
mechanical things can rust,
1119
00:53:16,561 --> 00:53:20,498
fall apart,
but DNA self-replicates.
1120
00:53:20,531 --> 00:53:24,034
It constantly mutates
to survive and the one thing
1121
00:53:24,068 --> 00:53:26,871
that will survive
over millions of years
1122
00:53:26,904 --> 00:53:29,073
after the aliens have left,
for example,
1123
00:53:29,106 --> 00:53:31,075
would be DNA
1124
00:53:31,108 --> 00:53:34,579
because it's self-replicating,
mutating, adaptive,
1125
00:53:34,612 --> 00:53:38,182
while steel will rust,
computers fall apart
1126
00:53:38,215 --> 00:53:41,352
and machines break down, but DNA
1127
00:53:41,386 --> 00:53:43,588
simply keeps on going forever.
1128
00:53:43,621 --> 00:53:45,556
HENRY:
And they could conceivably also
1129
00:53:45,590 --> 00:53:48,359
program that DNA
or implant scientific knowledge
1130
00:53:48,393 --> 00:53:51,429
into it that could be rolled
out over a millennia, perhaps.
1131
00:53:51,462 --> 00:53:54,399
In fact, yeah, in fact,
scientists have actually
1132
00:53:54,432 --> 00:53:56,267
looked for messages in the DNA.
1133
00:53:56,301 --> 00:53:57,868
And so far, they find none.
1134
00:53:57,902 --> 00:54:00,438
But it's conceivable
that one day if we do find
1135
00:54:00,471 --> 00:54:02,373
a message in DNA,
1136
00:54:02,407 --> 00:54:04,409
that'll be an existential shock.
1137
00:54:04,442 --> 00:54:06,911
An existential shock,
1138
00:54:06,944 --> 00:54:09,980
realizing that somebody
is communicating
1139
00:54:10,014 --> 00:54:13,618
with us after millions of years.
1140
00:54:13,651 --> 00:54:16,387
Long since machines have
turned to dust
1141
00:54:16,421 --> 00:54:19,924
that these self-replicating
molecules are mutating
1142
00:54:19,957 --> 00:54:23,461
and surviving
and are leaving a message.
1143
00:54:23,494 --> 00:54:26,597
We haven't found it yet,
but we cannot rule it out.
1144
00:54:26,631 --> 00:54:29,334
SHATNER:
Thank you so much
1145
00:54:29,367 --> 00:54:33,170
for that beautiful way
of expressing your thoughts.
1146
00:54:33,203 --> 00:54:35,340
It was a delight to have
talked to you, a pleasure.
1147
00:54:35,373 --> 00:54:37,141
And I hope we do it again soon.
1148
00:54:37,174 --> 00:54:39,910
My pleasure. And a great honor
to be with you.
1149
00:54:39,944 --> 00:54:41,946
Thank you. Take care.
1150
00:54:41,979 --> 00:54:43,448
Well, what a gift.
1151
00:54:43,481 --> 00:54:45,115
TSOUKALOS:
But with his last answer,
1152
00:54:45,149 --> 00:54:49,119
the circle has closed
because he mentioned DNA.
1153
00:54:54,525 --> 00:54:56,527
What Dr. Michio Kaku said
was so important,
1154
00:54:56,561 --> 00:54:58,663
because almost
the single biggest
1155
00:54:58,696 --> 00:55:00,765
objection from the skeptics
to the whole--
1156
00:55:00,798 --> 00:55:02,600
whether it's the UFO phenomenon,
1157
00:55:02,633 --> 00:55:04,268
the ancient astronaut theory--
1158
00:55:04,301 --> 00:55:06,604
is you can't get here
from there.
1159
00:55:06,637 --> 00:55:09,674
And there was Dr. Michio Kaku
saying, "Oh, yes, you can."
1160
00:55:09,707 --> 00:55:12,377
-If you had a certain level
of technology.
-TSOUKALOS: Yes.
1161
00:55:12,410 --> 00:55:14,479
-We're unlikely to be first...
-SHATNER: No, of course
we want to be able to--
1162
00:55:14,512 --> 00:55:17,482
The salient question,
of course, even that is
1163
00:55:17,515 --> 00:55:19,650
our imperative,
is to stay alive.
1164
00:55:19,684 --> 00:55:22,520
Have the-- our civilization
stay with us long enough
1165
00:55:22,553 --> 00:55:24,321
to be able to invent
that kind of thing.
1166
00:55:24,355 --> 00:55:27,191
You wouldn't build big massive
starships to travel around
1167
00:55:27,224 --> 00:55:29,159
and populate
the universe at first.
1168
00:55:29,193 --> 00:55:31,662
That's, that would take too much
time, energy and resources.
1169
00:55:31,696 --> 00:55:34,331
What you would do
1170
00:55:34,365 --> 00:55:35,633
is create a teeny,
tiny little probe.
1171
00:55:35,666 --> 00:55:39,537
And our DNA replicates itself
over and over and over.
1172
00:55:39,570 --> 00:55:42,339
And you can send it
as a particle
1173
00:55:42,373 --> 00:55:44,308
across the universe
1174
00:55:44,341 --> 00:55:46,343
and when it lands there
a billion years later,
1175
00:55:46,377 --> 00:55:49,680
it might stimulate
the growth of life
1176
00:55:49,714 --> 00:55:51,816
and DNA propagating
in other species.
1177
00:55:51,849 --> 00:55:53,684
HENRY:
That's the term "panspermia."
1178
00:55:55,185 --> 00:55:59,990
NARRATOR:
Panspermia is a hypothesis
that suggests alien organisms
1179
00:56:00,024 --> 00:56:02,827
have reached our planet
traveling on meteorites.
1180
00:56:02,860 --> 00:56:06,731
Some proponents believe
that panspermia was
1181
00:56:06,764 --> 00:56:09,534
responsible for seeding
all life on Earth,
1182
00:56:09,567 --> 00:56:12,837
while others propose
that it may have introduced
1183
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:15,673
just one highly unique species--
1184
00:56:15,706 --> 00:56:17,742
humans.
1185
00:56:18,809 --> 00:56:21,278
TSOUKALOS: In the concept
of panspermia, there's
1186
00:56:21,311 --> 00:56:24,381
two ways to look at this.
One is...
1187
00:56:24,415 --> 00:56:27,618
panspermia that happens
just like that.
1188
00:56:27,652 --> 00:56:29,920
And then there's another
version that is called
1189
00:56:29,954 --> 00:56:34,859
direct panspermia, and direct
panspermia would suggest
1190
00:56:34,892 --> 00:56:37,628
that it was done deliberately by
1191
00:56:37,662 --> 00:56:41,532
a faraway extraterrestrial
advanced civilization.
1192
00:56:41,566 --> 00:56:45,436
And why wouldn't a-a rock
which has the cells
1193
00:56:45,470 --> 00:56:47,605
of life that land on Earth,
1194
00:56:47,638 --> 00:56:49,540
why don't we think
of that sending its seed?
1195
00:56:49,574 --> 00:56:51,542
Francis Crick himself
said life is a miracle
1196
00:56:51,576 --> 00:56:53,878
and the most practical way
to explain
1197
00:56:53,911 --> 00:56:55,646
how life arose on Earth is that
1198
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,783
some advanced civilization sent
out rockets packed with DNA.
1199
00:56:58,816 --> 00:57:02,487
NARRATOR:
Francis Crick was
a British geneticist,
1200
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,889
who, in 1953,
1201
00:57:04,922 --> 00:57:08,459
along with American biologist
James Watson,
1202
00:57:08,493 --> 00:57:12,597
discovered the three-dimensional
double-helix shape of DNA.
1203
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:16,066
This scientific breakthrough
was a giant leap forward
1204
00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:19,570
in unraveling the mystery
of humankind's origins.
1205
00:57:19,604 --> 00:57:24,074
But Francis Crick found our
genetic code to be so complex
1206
00:57:24,108 --> 00:57:26,677
that he proposed
it could not have developed
1207
00:57:26,711 --> 00:57:29,413
by mere evolutionary chance,
1208
00:57:29,446 --> 00:57:32,617
and most likely did not
originate on Earth.
1209
00:57:34,118 --> 00:57:37,822
The information content of life
1210
00:57:37,855 --> 00:57:42,092
at the level of DNA
is so incredibly vast,
1211
00:57:42,126 --> 00:57:46,463
super astronomical, that one
could entertain a possibility
1212
00:57:46,497 --> 00:57:50,701
that there has been
an artificial creation of this.
1213
00:57:50,735 --> 00:57:53,470
So what Francis Crick
suggested is that
1214
00:57:53,504 --> 00:57:56,941
perhaps there was
a super intelligent life-form
1215
00:57:56,974 --> 00:57:59,544
somewhere nearby to the Earth
1216
00:57:59,577 --> 00:58:05,516
that essentially designed the
life that exists on the Earth.
1217
00:58:05,550 --> 00:58:08,886
The origin of life
is extremely improbable
1218
00:58:08,919 --> 00:58:12,122
is something
that I would agree with.
1219
00:58:12,156 --> 00:58:13,824
I'm skeptical on that.
1220
00:58:13,858 --> 00:58:15,526
I sit at this table, obviously,
1221
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:19,830
as-as somebody who investigated
UFOs for the British government.
1222
00:58:19,864 --> 00:58:22,967
I bow to the greater expertise
of my colleagues
1223
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,803
on the ancient astronaut
theory, of course.
1224
00:58:25,836 --> 00:58:27,838
That's not my specialist area.
1225
00:58:27,872 --> 00:58:29,974
But I am a little skeptical
of some of this,
1226
00:58:30,007 --> 00:58:32,376
"Well, aliens tinkered with us."
1227
00:58:32,409 --> 00:58:36,881
I think that normal random
mutations and natural selection
1228
00:58:36,914 --> 00:58:38,649
-could explain this.
-Fred Hoyle, Fred Hoyle
commenting...
1229
00:58:38,683 --> 00:58:40,651
-TAYLOR: But actually, it can't.
-Fred Hoyle, commenting on...
1230
00:58:40,685 --> 00:58:42,419
Statistically,
mathematically, it can't.
1231
00:58:42,452 --> 00:58:45,022
-Fred Hoyle, yes.
-Fred Hoyle, astronomer,
scientist,
1232
00:58:45,055 --> 00:58:46,991
commenting
on this genetic alteration
1233
00:58:47,024 --> 00:58:48,826
of chromosome 2 said, "The odds
1234
00:58:48,859 --> 00:58:50,861
"of this happening are
like a tornado sweeping
1235
00:58:50,895 --> 00:58:54,665
"through a junkyard
of 747 parts and manifesting
1236
00:58:54,699 --> 00:58:56,433
-a fully functional 747."
-TAYLOR: Yes.
1237
00:58:56,466 --> 00:58:59,003
TSOUKALOS:
A lot of stuff happens
by coincidence.
1238
00:58:59,036 --> 00:59:02,840
But there are certain things
where you have to say,
1239
00:59:02,873 --> 00:59:05,576
"Coincidence
doesn't quite apply."
1240
00:59:05,610 --> 00:59:08,713
So, some people say,
"Oh, well, that was God,"
1241
00:59:08,746 --> 00:59:10,715
and some people say, "Well, no,
1242
00:59:10,748 --> 00:59:13,050
maybe it wasn't God,
but it was an extraterrestrial."
1243
00:59:13,083 --> 00:59:15,720
-(overlapping chatter)
-Or it happened so many times,
1244
00:59:15,753 --> 00:59:18,555
-it was bound
to happen in that way.
-TAYLOR: You have to think,
1245
00:59:18,589 --> 00:59:20,858
"Well, could this have been
a random cosmic ray
1246
00:59:20,891 --> 00:59:23,560
"bounced and caused this thing?
What are the odds
1247
00:59:23,594 --> 00:59:25,429
of that actually happening,
and could it...?"
1248
00:59:25,462 --> 00:59:28,699
Now, that did happen in probably
billions of instances.
1249
00:59:28,733 --> 00:59:32,803
But certain things, like lining
up the human chromosome chain
1250
00:59:32,837 --> 00:59:35,539
and getting that right
and causing that to happen is
1251
00:59:35,572 --> 00:59:38,075
beyond statistical probability
within the life of the universe.
1252
00:59:38,108 --> 00:59:41,646
-I high-- You don't know that.
-Yes, you do! Yes, you do.
1253
00:59:41,679 --> 00:59:43,213
-You can mathematically...
-No, you don't, because, I can
1254
00:59:43,247 --> 00:59:44,615
tell you why you don't know it.
1255
00:59:44,649 --> 00:59:46,617
Because the numbers
involved in the universe,
1256
00:59:46,651 --> 00:59:50,487
the numbers of what
could happen, you-you...
1257
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,657
Our mind can't encompass it.
1258
00:59:52,690 --> 00:59:56,060
Well, but in order for
the human genome to be created,
1259
00:59:56,093 --> 00:59:58,562
this thing has to happen,
and then this thing,
1260
00:59:58,595 --> 01:00:01,498
and then this thing, and then
this thing, and then this thing.
1261
01:00:01,531 --> 01:00:02,900
It's not these things
in parallel, and so,
1262
01:00:02,933 --> 01:00:05,770
the probabilities multiply
times each other, and in...
1263
01:00:05,803 --> 01:00:08,673
And when you get to the point
where all of these things had
1264
01:00:08,706 --> 01:00:10,808
to happen in sequence
to get to the end point,
1265
01:00:10,841 --> 01:00:13,510
you can actually do
the statistical math
1266
01:00:13,543 --> 01:00:16,914
for this and show that you could
not create that randomly
1267
01:00:16,947 --> 01:00:18,983
within the age of the universe.
1268
01:00:19,016 --> 01:00:22,687
POPE:
Well, look, I was the one
who disagreed on the point
1269
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,455
-about tinkering with evolution.
-Please, Nick.
1270
01:00:25,489 --> 01:00:27,524
I want you to hold forth, Nick.
1271
01:00:27,557 --> 01:00:30,027
Yeah, I think
that it can all be explained
1272
01:00:30,060 --> 01:00:32,697
with random mutation
and natural selection, so...
1273
01:00:32,730 --> 01:00:34,198
But the point is,
1274
01:00:34,231 --> 01:00:37,601
we don't necessarily agree
all around this table.
1275
01:00:37,634 --> 01:00:38,969
You've got a diverse group here.
1276
01:00:39,003 --> 01:00:41,005
I think it would be
very unproductive
1277
01:00:41,038 --> 01:00:43,774
if we all just
nodded along and agreed.
1278
01:00:43,808 --> 01:00:45,642
We have different backgrounds,
1279
01:00:45,676 --> 01:00:47,644
-different areas of specialism.
-SHATNER: Yes. Yes.
1280
01:00:47,678 --> 01:00:49,613
-But that's where we get
to the good stuff.
-Yes.
1281
01:00:49,646 --> 01:00:52,616
-Where we do disagree
and debate.
-I absolutely agree,
1282
01:00:52,649 --> 01:00:54,118
and-and I want you to disagree.
1283
01:00:54,151 --> 01:00:55,285
And I can't tell you
how I love this.
1284
01:00:55,319 --> 01:00:57,554
We've covered ancient aliens,
1285
01:00:57,587 --> 01:00:59,690
but what about today?
Does anybody know
1286
01:00:59,724 --> 01:01:01,425
anything about them today?
1287
01:01:04,494 --> 01:01:06,797
I'd love to hear
from you guys about, uh,
1288
01:01:06,831 --> 01:01:09,199
about UFOs and Roswell.
1289
01:01:09,233 --> 01:01:11,869
You keep hearing it was
a weather balloon, it wasn't.
1290
01:01:11,902 --> 01:01:13,971
TSOUKALOS:
Before Ancient Aliens,
1291
01:01:14,004 --> 01:01:15,539
I never paid any attention,
really,
1292
01:01:15,572 --> 01:01:17,975
to the modern-day
UFO phenomenon.
1293
01:01:18,008 --> 01:01:21,812
But over the past few years,
because of Ancient Aliens
1294
01:01:21,846 --> 01:01:23,147
and some of the people
sitting at this table,
1295
01:01:23,180 --> 01:01:25,716
I've gotten very much interested
1296
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:27,885
in the modern-day
UFO phenomenon.
1297
01:01:27,918 --> 01:01:29,987
And one person
from whom I've learned a lot
1298
01:01:30,020 --> 01:01:33,590
is Linda Moulton Howe,
who is one of the experts
1299
01:01:33,623 --> 01:01:35,092
-in modern-day UFO...
-SHATNER: She's the journalist?
1300
01:01:35,125 --> 01:01:37,694
The award-winning
journalist filmmaker?
1301
01:01:38,863 --> 01:01:41,866
NARRATOR:
Investigative journalist
Linda Moulton Howe
1302
01:01:41,899 --> 01:01:44,334
has been documenting
strange phenomena,
1303
01:01:44,368 --> 01:01:47,237
UFO sightings
and alien encounters
1304
01:01:47,271 --> 01:01:49,139
for more than four decades.
1305
01:01:49,974 --> 01:01:51,876
She has received numerous awards
1306
01:01:51,909 --> 01:01:53,878
for her journalistic excellence
1307
01:01:53,911 --> 01:01:56,180
in a wide range of fields
1308
01:01:56,213 --> 01:01:58,182
and today is reporter and editor
1309
01:01:58,215 --> 01:02:01,218
of the website Earthfiles.com,
1310
01:02:01,251 --> 01:02:02,719
which contains an archive
1311
01:02:02,753 --> 01:02:06,991
of nearly 3,000
in-depth UFO reports.
1312
01:02:08,158 --> 01:02:10,861
We've got her ready on a call.
1313
01:02:10,895 --> 01:02:13,030
-HENRY: Hey, Linda.
-TAYLOR: Hi, Linda.
-Hi, everyone.
1314
01:02:13,063 --> 01:02:15,933
Hi, Linda. I-I'm
William Shatner, Bill Shatner.
1315
01:02:15,966 --> 01:02:18,035
-It's a pleasure to-to meet you.
-HOWE: Yeah.
1316
01:02:18,068 --> 01:02:19,736
I've heard so much about you.
1317
01:02:19,770 --> 01:02:21,071
-Well...
-Everybody around here
has come up
1318
01:02:21,105 --> 01:02:23,107
to tell me
how wonderful you are.
1319
01:02:23,140 --> 01:02:25,275
-(chuckles)
-It's true. And...
1320
01:02:25,309 --> 01:02:30,247
Well, I-I feel like I know you
as a longtime Star Trek fan.
1321
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:31,916
-Oh, I appreciate that.
-Wonderful
1322
01:02:31,949 --> 01:02:34,251
-to be here with you.
-SHATNER: Well, thank you.
1323
01:02:34,284 --> 01:02:37,587
And I'm consumed
by the subject matter,
1324
01:02:37,621 --> 01:02:40,324
and we've arrived at, uh,
1325
01:02:40,357 --> 01:02:42,827
spaceships and-and-and...
1326
01:02:42,860 --> 01:02:44,895
and ancient aliens.
Where are they now?
1327
01:02:44,929 --> 01:02:49,066
I think a lot of them are hiding
right here on this planet
1328
01:02:49,099 --> 01:02:51,902
and have been here
for millions of years.
1329
01:02:51,936 --> 01:02:54,071
I think this is
a revolutionary time.
1330
01:02:54,104 --> 01:02:56,273
No matter whatever else happens,
1331
01:02:56,306 --> 01:02:59,109
we have to learn
we're not alone in the universe.
1332
01:02:59,143 --> 01:03:03,080
Are we seeing
space vehicles, then?
1333
01:03:03,113 --> 01:03:05,282
Was Roswell an example of that?
1334
01:03:05,315 --> 01:03:07,818
I'll tell you
from firsthand knowledge
1335
01:03:07,852 --> 01:03:10,187
that there was
the retrieval of a craft
1336
01:03:10,220 --> 01:03:14,024
in July of 1947
1337
01:03:14,058 --> 01:03:17,928
when that big headline,
1338
01:03:17,962 --> 01:03:20,764
a real, honest headline came out
1339
01:03:20,797 --> 01:03:22,799
that the Roswell Army Airfield
1340
01:03:22,833 --> 01:03:26,770
was reporting the downing
of a flying disk.
1341
01:03:26,803 --> 01:03:29,339
NARRATOR:
The Roswell incident has become
1342
01:03:29,373 --> 01:03:32,209
the most famous UFO event
on record,
1343
01:03:32,242 --> 01:03:35,679
the crash landing
of an unidentified object
1344
01:03:35,712 --> 01:03:39,850
in the New Mexico desert
in July 1947.
1345
01:03:39,884 --> 01:03:41,886
And it was
the United States Army
1346
01:03:41,919 --> 01:03:45,389
that reported the craft
as a flying disk.
1347
01:03:45,422 --> 01:03:49,860
On July 8th of that year,
the Roswell Daily Record
1348
01:03:49,894 --> 01:03:51,661
had an incredible headline,
1349
01:03:51,695 --> 01:03:54,131
which was
that the United States Army
1350
01:03:54,164 --> 01:03:56,166
had captured
one of these flying disks
1351
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,903
that everyone
had been talking about.
1352
01:03:58,936 --> 01:04:03,173
It was absolutely a big,
big news story at the time.
1353
01:04:03,207 --> 01:04:06,911
NARRATOR:
Within days, the military
walked back its story,
1354
01:04:06,944 --> 01:04:09,213
suddenly claiming
that the crashed object
1355
01:04:09,246 --> 01:04:12,382
was nothing more
than a weather balloon.
1356
01:04:12,416 --> 01:04:15,719
But curiously, they said
that the balloon was taken
1357
01:04:15,752 --> 01:04:17,888
to Wright-Patterson
Air Force Base
1358
01:04:17,922 --> 01:04:19,489
in Ohio.
1359
01:04:19,523 --> 01:04:21,658
DOLAN:
When you really think
about this,
1360
01:04:21,691 --> 01:04:25,729
why on earth would anyone send
any kind of weather balloon
1361
01:04:25,762 --> 01:04:29,199
or the alleged Mogul balloon
1362
01:04:29,233 --> 01:04:32,169
that the Air Force came up with
many years later?
1363
01:04:32,202 --> 01:04:34,871
And you're gonna send this off
to Wright Field
1364
01:04:34,905 --> 01:04:37,341
for technical analysis?
1365
01:04:37,374 --> 01:04:39,743
None of it
makes any sense whatsoever.
1366
01:04:39,776 --> 01:04:43,080
Unless that material
was much more exotic
1367
01:04:43,113 --> 01:04:44,881
and much more
scientifically interesting
1368
01:04:44,915 --> 01:04:46,783
than just a mere balloon.
1369
01:04:46,816 --> 01:04:49,419
NARRATOR:
In April 2011,
1370
01:04:49,453 --> 01:04:51,188
the FBI released
1371
01:04:51,221 --> 01:04:54,925
thousands of files
as part of its online FBI Vault,
1372
01:04:54,959 --> 01:04:58,895
and one of those files
included a 1950 briefing
1373
01:04:58,929 --> 01:05:01,265
to FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover
1374
01:05:01,298 --> 01:05:05,269
regarding informant information
about three flying saucers
1375
01:05:05,302 --> 01:05:08,238
that were recovered
in New Mexico.
1376
01:05:08,272 --> 01:05:11,741
Many researchers believe
this corroborates
1377
01:05:11,775 --> 01:05:14,911
long-standing rumors that
the Roswell incident involved
1378
01:05:14,945 --> 01:05:18,983
not one but three crashed UFOs.
1379
01:05:20,917 --> 01:05:22,953
SHATNER:
Have there been more things
1380
01:05:22,987 --> 01:05:25,789
that are noted in the news?
1381
01:05:25,822 --> 01:05:28,258
Sightings, uh,
saucers and things?
1382
01:05:28,292 --> 01:05:32,096
The one that most people
are not aware of today,
1383
01:05:32,129 --> 01:05:35,099
the date was February 25, 1942,
1384
01:05:35,132 --> 01:05:38,502
and it's called
the Battle of Los Angeles.
1385
01:05:38,535 --> 01:05:42,872
It made the L.A. Times
and a big front-page story.
1386
01:05:43,873 --> 01:05:47,477
NARRATOR: Five years before
the now famous Roswell incident,
1387
01:05:47,511 --> 01:05:51,348
an extraordinary UFO event
was witnessed in the sky
1388
01:05:51,381 --> 01:05:53,083
over Los Angeles.
1389
01:05:53,117 --> 01:05:56,186
(air-raid siren wailing)
1390
01:05:56,220 --> 01:05:58,355
What's called the Battle of L.A.
is actually
1391
01:05:58,388 --> 01:06:01,591
one of the earliest
unexplained UFO mysteries
1392
01:06:01,625 --> 01:06:03,293
in our modern era.
1393
01:06:03,327 --> 01:06:08,965
It took place on the early
morning of February 25, 1942.
1394
01:06:10,367 --> 01:06:15,505
1,430 artillery shells
were fired
1395
01:06:15,539 --> 01:06:18,342
at several unknown objects.
1396
01:06:18,375 --> 01:06:22,179
Many eyewitnesses
on the ground saw this.
1397
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,615
So, the question is
what were these things?
1398
01:06:25,649 --> 01:06:29,286
Uh, in terms of covering it up,
1399
01:06:29,319 --> 01:06:33,190
uh, the military
consistently downplayed this.
1400
01:06:33,223 --> 01:06:34,324
The secretary of the Navy,
1401
01:06:34,358 --> 01:06:37,327
uh, said to the public
it was just war nerves.
1402
01:06:37,361 --> 01:06:39,996
There was nothing out there
whatsoever.
1403
01:06:41,031 --> 01:06:42,832
In the 1970s,
1404
01:06:42,866 --> 01:06:46,002
an FOI request
obtained a memorandum
1405
01:06:46,036 --> 01:06:48,372
by Army Chief of Staff
General George Marshall
1406
01:06:48,405 --> 01:06:50,974
in which he wrote a memo
about this incident
1407
01:06:51,007 --> 01:06:53,243
to President Franklin Roosevelt.
1408
01:06:53,277 --> 01:06:58,148
So, it's clear that the military
was interested in it.
1409
01:06:58,182 --> 01:07:00,550
NARRATOR:
The secret memo
that General Marshall
1410
01:07:00,584 --> 01:07:02,152
sent to President Roosevelt
1411
01:07:02,186 --> 01:07:04,921
directly contradicted
the Navy's public statement
1412
01:07:04,954 --> 01:07:06,890
that there was nothing
in the sky
1413
01:07:06,923 --> 01:07:08,825
over Los Angeles that night,
1414
01:07:08,858 --> 01:07:13,197
claiming instead that as many
as 15 unidentified airplanes
1415
01:07:13,230 --> 01:07:15,265
may have been involved.
1416
01:07:17,601 --> 01:07:21,238
We've had a policy of denial
since World War II,
1417
01:07:21,271 --> 01:07:24,007
thinking that humans
could not handle
1418
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:27,043
whatever it is that is
the perceived bottom-line truth.
1419
01:07:27,077 --> 01:07:29,513
SHATNER:
But assuming all that is true,
1420
01:07:29,546 --> 01:07:31,381
does American technology
1421
01:07:31,415 --> 01:07:33,217
have those super ships?
1422
01:07:33,250 --> 01:07:35,219
Do we know anything more?
1423
01:07:35,252 --> 01:07:36,953
Uh, did anything result
1424
01:07:36,986 --> 01:07:39,022
as a result
of that advanced technology?
1425
01:07:39,055 --> 01:07:41,057
(chuckles):
Well, I think
1426
01:07:41,091 --> 01:07:44,528
that there is a huge, um,
1427
01:07:44,561 --> 01:07:46,430
if you want
to call it underground
1428
01:07:46,463 --> 01:07:49,032
or a black world
1429
01:07:49,065 --> 01:07:52,369
of all kinds of back engineering
1430
01:07:52,402 --> 01:07:57,073
and laboratory
and all things related to,
1431
01:07:57,107 --> 01:07:58,575
uh, whether they were
crashed disks
1432
01:07:58,608 --> 01:08:02,946
or technology deliberately
placed in our hands.
1433
01:08:02,979 --> 01:08:06,416
Given the way
the government, uh,
1434
01:08:06,450 --> 01:08:09,219
sends out whistleblowers,
all kinds of,
1435
01:08:09,253 --> 01:08:11,988
uh, hidden information
we're getting all the time,
1436
01:08:12,021 --> 01:08:16,426
this mind-blowing idea
that you've just espoused,
1437
01:08:16,460 --> 01:08:18,928
it seems
it would be impossible to hide
1438
01:08:18,962 --> 01:08:21,631
for any length of time.
1439
01:08:21,665 --> 01:08:24,934
We honestly do not
fully understand agendas,
1440
01:08:24,968 --> 01:08:27,070
and the biggest problem we have
1441
01:08:27,103 --> 01:08:29,573
is how do we trust?
1442
01:08:29,606 --> 01:08:32,075
It's our own governments
and power brokers
1443
01:08:32,108 --> 01:08:35,612
that keep the human family
in the dark.
1444
01:08:35,645 --> 01:08:37,647
SHATNER:
Fascinating.
1445
01:08:37,681 --> 01:08:40,584
Linda, thank you so much
for that, uh,
1446
01:08:40,617 --> 01:08:42,152
interesting information.
1447
01:08:42,186 --> 01:08:44,421
We'll have an occasion
to discuss it here.
1448
01:08:44,454 --> 01:08:46,423
Uh, and it was very informative,
1449
01:08:46,456 --> 01:08:48,525
and I thank you so much
for spending your time
1450
01:08:48,558 --> 01:08:49,693
-with us.
-TSOUKALOS: Thank you, Linda.
1451
01:08:49,726 --> 01:08:51,027
Oh, thank you.
1452
01:08:51,060 --> 01:08:52,462
-TAYLOR: Bye, Linda.
-Bye, Linda.
1453
01:08:52,496 --> 01:08:53,563
Take care.
1454
01:08:56,666 --> 01:08:58,368
When you get into
the UFO phenomenon,
1455
01:08:58,402 --> 01:09:01,137
it-it doesn't take long
as you scratch the surface
1456
01:09:01,171 --> 01:09:03,139
that a conspiracy is there
1457
01:09:03,173 --> 01:09:04,808
because there's,
at-at the very least,
1458
01:09:04,841 --> 01:09:08,478
if there are UFOs,
there is a conspiracy
1459
01:09:08,512 --> 01:09:10,780
-to cover it up.
-But it's not a conspiracy.
-Why?
1460
01:09:10,814 --> 01:09:12,282
-Why?
-CHILDRESS: Well...
1461
01:09:12,316 --> 01:09:14,150
POPE:
This is where I part company
1462
01:09:14,184 --> 01:09:15,485
from some of the-the people
1463
01:09:15,519 --> 01:09:18,322
more deeply into
the conspiracy theories,
1464
01:09:18,355 --> 01:09:20,524
because my view--
and I've-I've actually done this
1465
01:09:20,557 --> 01:09:22,326
for the British government--
my view is that government
1466
01:09:22,359 --> 01:09:25,362
doesn't necessarily have
all the answers to this.
1467
01:09:25,395 --> 01:09:27,797
TAYLOR: That's exactly right.
I agree with that 100%.
1468
01:09:27,831 --> 01:09:30,334
And Nick and I have talked
about this. This is what
1469
01:09:30,367 --> 01:09:33,203
your conspiracy is.
Your conspiracy is time.
1470
01:09:33,237 --> 01:09:36,240
If something happened
in 1947 in Roswell,
1471
01:09:36,273 --> 01:09:38,708
three or four guys,
1472
01:09:38,742 --> 01:09:40,710
because that's all
there was budget for
1473
01:09:40,744 --> 01:09:44,214
to go investigate whatever
this was, went out there.
1474
01:09:44,248 --> 01:09:46,416
They took stuff,
packed it up in carts,
1475
01:09:46,450 --> 01:09:47,484
and they may have taken it
and had
1476
01:09:47,517 --> 01:09:49,085
some scientists look at it.
They may not.
1477
01:09:49,118 --> 01:09:52,188
They may not have had budget to
hire a scientist to look at it.
1478
01:09:52,222 --> 01:09:53,590
Scientists are expensive.
1479
01:09:53,623 --> 01:09:55,492
Then,
when they were done with it,
1480
01:09:55,525 --> 01:09:56,426
they shoved it in a safe
1481
01:09:56,460 --> 01:09:58,862
or a drawer
or a vault somewhere,
1482
01:09:58,895 --> 01:10:00,163
and they retired.
1483
01:10:00,196 --> 01:10:01,197
And when they retired,
1484
01:10:01,231 --> 01:10:03,233
so, the next guy
comes into the building,
1485
01:10:03,267 --> 01:10:04,768
and he says, "Hey,
I need room in the vault.
1486
01:10:04,801 --> 01:10:06,270
What's this stuff over here?"
1487
01:10:06,303 --> 01:10:08,405
And nobody owned up
to whose it...
1488
01:10:08,438 --> 01:10:09,539
This is...
This is 100% it happened,
1489
01:10:09,573 --> 01:10:10,774
'cause it happened
to the Saturn V blueprints.
1490
01:10:10,807 --> 01:10:11,708
Yeah, yeah, you can imagine.
1491
01:10:11,741 --> 01:10:14,711
We find
the Saturn V blueprints in barns
1492
01:10:14,744 --> 01:10:16,880
-in North Alabama all the time.
-SHATNER: So, what you ascribe
1493
01:10:16,913 --> 01:10:20,784
as a... as a plot is stupidity
and ignorance and-and...
1494
01:10:20,817 --> 01:10:23,453
-and lethargy.
-No, it's a lack of...
lack of resources and time.
1495
01:10:23,487 --> 01:10:26,890
POPE:
It's also... it's also
the inherently secretive nature
1496
01:10:26,923 --> 01:10:29,893
of the organizations that tend
to be running these programs.
1497
01:10:29,926 --> 01:10:31,528
Well, I will... I'll go
with that. I mean, look, the...
1498
01:10:31,561 --> 01:10:34,398
NASA supposedly erased
all the master tapes
1499
01:10:34,431 --> 01:10:36,533
of the Apollo 11 program.
1500
01:10:36,566 --> 01:10:38,268
-I mean, supposedly.
-Why?
1501
01:10:38,302 --> 01:10:40,304
-And they said, oh-- Yeah, why?
-TAYLOR: They needed them.
1502
01:10:40,337 --> 01:10:41,738
-They didn't need them.
-TAYLOR: No,
1503
01:10:41,771 --> 01:10:42,806
-they needed them.
-CHILDRESS: Yeah, they...
1504
01:10:42,839 --> 01:10:44,274
The tapes were still intact.
1505
01:10:44,308 --> 01:10:45,475
They needed to reuse them,
1506
01:10:45,509 --> 01:10:47,243
-so they rerecorded over them.
-TAYLOR: You guys...
1507
01:10:47,277 --> 01:10:48,612
-Be careful.
-Did they erase the tapes?
1508
01:10:48,645 --> 01:10:50,480
They erased the tapes
because they needed them
1509
01:10:50,514 --> 01:10:52,716
on another mission,
and these tapes didn't exist
1510
01:10:52,749 --> 01:10:54,618
in-in multitudes at the time.
1511
01:10:54,651 --> 01:10:57,220
-It's just like
the whole fallacy...
-SHATNER: So, what...
1512
01:10:57,253 --> 01:10:58,322
How... What's the loss in, uh,
1513
01:10:58,355 --> 01:10:59,989
-erasing the tapes?
-All the original footage
1514
01:11:00,023 --> 01:11:01,825
of going to the Moon
has been lost.
1515
01:11:01,858 --> 01:11:04,193
TZADOK: Do not ever
underestimate the power
1516
01:11:04,227 --> 01:11:07,831
and abilities of our governments
to keep secrets.
1517
01:11:07,864 --> 01:11:09,766
POPE:
I would certainly agree
with that.
1518
01:11:09,799 --> 01:11:10,667
There's something
in our airspace.
1519
01:11:10,700 --> 01:11:12,902
There are factions
within government
1520
01:11:12,936 --> 01:11:14,671
that probably think it's Russia
1521
01:11:14,704 --> 01:11:16,840
or it's China
or it's our own tech,
1522
01:11:16,873 --> 01:11:19,776
and then there's a faction
that probably thinks, "What if
1523
01:11:19,809 --> 01:11:20,977
this is extraterrestrial?"
1524
01:11:21,010 --> 01:11:22,612
CARTER:
Is it possible
1525
01:11:22,646 --> 01:11:25,515
that the reason that now
we're hearing all this stuff
1526
01:11:25,549 --> 01:11:27,250
from the government,
1527
01:11:27,283 --> 01:11:29,285
because, you know,
we got our cell phones,
1528
01:11:29,319 --> 01:11:31,788
I mean, everybody's under
surveillance one way or another,
1529
01:11:31,821 --> 01:11:34,691
is it possible that one day
there's gonna be a sighting
1530
01:11:34,724 --> 01:11:36,660
that cannot be explained away?
1531
01:11:36,693 --> 01:11:39,996
TSOUKALOS: What's interesting
is that since UFO groups
1532
01:11:40,029 --> 01:11:43,800
have come into existence
in the 1970s, 1980s,
1533
01:11:43,833 --> 01:11:47,637
they've always been laughed at,
belittled,
1534
01:11:47,671 --> 01:11:50,440
and the U.S. government
for decades has denied
1535
01:11:50,474 --> 01:11:53,443
that they're investigating UFOs.
1536
01:11:53,477 --> 01:11:56,480
But in December 2017,
1537
01:11:56,513 --> 01:11:58,948
there was a New York Times
headline story,
1538
01:11:58,982 --> 01:12:01,651
front page, that said:
1539
01:12:01,685 --> 01:12:06,556
yes, the U.S. government
had been investigating UFOs,
1540
01:12:06,590 --> 01:12:08,658
and there was
a special program for it,
1541
01:12:08,692 --> 01:12:12,896
and this was not the first time
nor is it the last time.
1542
01:12:13,763 --> 01:12:17,834
NARRATOR:
On December 16, 2017,
1543
01:12:17,867 --> 01:12:21,337
The New York Times ran
a front-page story entitled:
1544
01:12:21,371 --> 01:12:23,807
"Glowing Auras and Black Money:
1545
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,776
The Pentagon's Mysterious
UFO Program."
1546
01:12:28,011 --> 01:12:32,682
It brought to light a top secret
U.S. government project,
1547
01:12:32,716 --> 01:12:36,019
the Advanced Aerospace Threat
Identification Program,
1548
01:12:36,052 --> 01:12:38,922
otherwise known as AATIP.
1549
01:12:38,955 --> 01:12:43,660
This took the subject of UFOs
out of the fringe
1550
01:12:43,693 --> 01:12:45,562
and into the mainstream.
1551
01:12:46,563 --> 01:12:49,899
For the first time, these
top-level political outlets
1552
01:12:49,933 --> 01:12:52,769
were talking about this
in a serious,
1553
01:12:52,802 --> 01:12:56,906
investigative journalist mode,
not as a joke.
1554
01:12:58,041 --> 01:13:02,011
So that was really what opened
the floodgates,
1555
01:13:02,045 --> 01:13:04,714
and revelation followed
revelation.
1556
01:13:04,748 --> 01:13:07,116
This is a completely new
ball game here.
1557
01:13:07,150 --> 01:13:10,887
We are in new
and uncharted territory.
1558
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:14,090
NARRATOR:
The article reported
that in 2007,
1559
01:13:14,123 --> 01:13:16,560
without any public debate,
1560
01:13:16,593 --> 01:13:19,463
$22 million was allocated
1561
01:13:19,496 --> 01:13:23,066
from a "black money" budget
to investigate UFOs.
1562
01:13:24,468 --> 01:13:26,402
But wait a minute,
wait a minute.
1563
01:13:26,436 --> 01:13:28,071
They've been investigating.
1564
01:13:28,104 --> 01:13:30,474
-Yes.
-They didn't say, "We now,
1565
01:13:30,507 --> 01:13:32,041
"as a result
of our investigation,
1566
01:13:32,075 --> 01:13:34,043
we definitively say
there are..."
1567
01:13:34,077 --> 01:13:37,747
Well, that was...
that was December 2017.
1568
01:13:37,781 --> 01:13:41,050
On April 27, 2020,
1569
01:13:41,084 --> 01:13:44,954
the U.S. government itself
admitted that, "Yes,
1570
01:13:44,988 --> 01:13:49,659
"we are investigating craft,
and we do not know
1571
01:13:49,693 --> 01:13:51,495
where they are from."
1572
01:13:51,528 --> 01:13:53,997
They did not say
it is extraterrestrial,
1573
01:13:54,030 --> 01:13:55,899
-Right.
-but, you know,
in a press release,
1574
01:13:55,932 --> 01:13:58,167
you have to read
between the lines.
1575
01:13:58,201 --> 01:14:00,003
I would be careful about reading
between those lines.
1576
01:14:00,036 --> 01:14:02,171
May I please finish?
1577
01:14:02,205 --> 01:14:04,373
-Oh, I love that. Argue.
-So, in order...
1578
01:14:04,407 --> 01:14:06,476
Either the U.S. government
just admitted
1579
01:14:06,510 --> 01:14:08,745
that somebody else
on this planet
1580
01:14:08,778 --> 01:14:11,481
has better technology
than the U.S. Air Force,
1581
01:14:11,515 --> 01:14:15,084
which I doubt that
they would admit this,
1582
01:14:15,118 --> 01:14:17,420
or they're pointing
to the direction
1583
01:14:17,453 --> 01:14:20,557
of a non-earthly source.
1584
01:14:21,825 --> 01:14:24,694
NARRATOR:
Within months of
the New York Times headline,
1585
01:14:24,728 --> 01:14:27,964
extraordinary videos
associated with AATIP
1586
01:14:27,997 --> 01:14:30,634
featuring
three separate UFO encounters
1587
01:14:30,667 --> 01:14:34,137
captured by infrared cameras
mounted on Navy jets
1588
01:14:34,170 --> 01:14:36,139
were leaked to the public.
1589
01:14:57,694 --> 01:14:58,762
(laughs)
1590
01:14:59,696 --> 01:15:01,898
NARRATOR:
While skeptics
initially suggested
1591
01:15:01,931 --> 01:15:03,700
the footage was not genuine,
1592
01:15:03,733 --> 01:15:08,171
in 2020, the Navy officially
released the same videos,
1593
01:15:08,204 --> 01:15:12,208
confirming not only
that the footage is real
1594
01:15:12,241 --> 01:15:15,511
but also that the objects
recorded were, in fact,
1595
01:15:15,545 --> 01:15:17,180
unidentified craft.
1596
01:15:19,583 --> 01:15:22,819
I've analyzed those videos,
uh, in detail,
1597
01:15:22,852 --> 01:15:26,890
and I-I will tell you that there
is no evidence in them
1598
01:15:26,923 --> 01:15:29,993
that says that it's not
our near peer adversaries,
1599
01:15:30,026 --> 01:15:31,260
like Russia or China.
1600
01:15:31,294 --> 01:15:35,164
However, if Russia or China
invented these devices,
1601
01:15:35,198 --> 01:15:37,601
whatever they are
in these videos,
1602
01:15:37,634 --> 01:15:41,037
then they are way ahead of us
in physics and engineering.
1603
01:15:41,070 --> 01:15:43,873
And that's something
that's-- doesn't add up,
1604
01:15:43,907 --> 01:15:48,044
because you don't see the large
multibillion-dollar efforts
1605
01:15:48,077 --> 01:15:49,713
to put all of the right brains
in one location.
1606
01:15:49,746 --> 01:15:51,881
-There isn't the industry
going on there...
-Yeah.
1607
01:15:51,915 --> 01:15:55,051
-...that would make them
that superior.
-So-so that raises your eyebrow.
1608
01:15:55,084 --> 01:15:58,287
Whatever the craft is itself
is extremely cold,
1609
01:15:58,321 --> 01:16:01,725
and it looks like there's
a vacuum around this vehicle.
1610
01:16:01,758 --> 01:16:05,629
And then the vehicle makes
maneuvers that are so rapid,
1611
01:16:05,662 --> 01:16:07,563
-you would pull so many g-forces
-Yeah.
1612
01:16:07,597 --> 01:16:09,866
-that it would kill any
occupants almost instantly.
-Yeah.
1613
01:16:09,899 --> 01:16:11,868
I wouldn't call that
a smoking gun, but I would say
1614
01:16:11,901 --> 01:16:14,904
that the technology
is so far advanced
1615
01:16:14,938 --> 01:16:16,706
in these videos
1616
01:16:16,740 --> 01:16:19,809
that we can't explain
how it's doing what it's doing.
1617
01:16:19,843 --> 01:16:22,578
*
1618
01:16:25,414 --> 01:16:26,549
SHATNER:
This is now--
1619
01:16:26,582 --> 01:16:28,752
This is the meat.
This is the-- this is the...
1620
01:16:28,785 --> 01:16:30,987
The nut has opened up
and the kernel is here.
1621
01:16:31,020 --> 01:16:32,756
And I'm the captain.
1622
01:16:32,789 --> 01:16:34,724
-(chuckling)
-The, uh...
1623
01:16:34,758 --> 01:16:36,292
That information
1624
01:16:36,325 --> 01:16:39,162
is like...
1625
01:16:39,195 --> 01:16:41,164
opening the can up.
1626
01:16:41,197 --> 01:16:42,932
(overlapping chatter)
1627
01:16:42,966 --> 01:16:44,067
POPE:
The U.S. Navy videos,
1628
01:16:44,100 --> 01:16:45,802
-the Senate
Intelligence Committee,
-Right.
1629
01:16:45,835 --> 01:16:46,836
that's tangible.
1630
01:16:46,870 --> 01:16:48,905
Three or four things else
have happened
1631
01:16:48,938 --> 01:16:50,907
which are worthy of note here.
1632
01:16:50,940 --> 01:16:54,410
Firstly, the U.S. Navy
issued instructions
1633
01:16:54,443 --> 01:16:56,946
to its own pilots
telling them what to do
1634
01:16:56,980 --> 01:16:58,848
-if they encounter these things.
-Which are what?
1635
01:16:58,882 --> 01:17:01,184
-That-- Uh,
that-that's classified.
-Right.
1636
01:17:01,217 --> 01:17:03,519
-They confirmed that
they've issued the... Sure.
-Well, it's either run
1637
01:17:03,552 --> 01:17:06,322
-or fight, right?
-(overlapping chatter)
-Well, no. H-Hold on.
1638
01:17:06,355 --> 01:17:08,758
Let me-- let me finish.
This is important.
1639
01:17:08,792 --> 01:17:13,029
So, they've confirmed that those
instructions have been issued,
1640
01:17:13,062 --> 01:17:15,765
but they have not confirmed
what they will say.
1641
01:17:15,799 --> 01:17:17,466
In parallel with that,
1642
01:17:17,500 --> 01:17:19,468
the Senate
Intelligence Committee
1643
01:17:19,502 --> 01:17:23,306
just put into the Intelligence
Appropriation Act
1644
01:17:23,339 --> 01:17:25,374
for Fiscal Year 2021
1645
01:17:25,408 --> 01:17:27,476
this demand for a report
1646
01:17:27,510 --> 01:17:28,945
from Director
of National Intelligence.
1647
01:17:28,978 --> 01:17:31,948
And in response to that,
1648
01:17:31,981 --> 01:17:35,952
a body called
the UAP Task Force,
1649
01:17:35,985 --> 01:17:38,187
Unidentified Aerial Phenomena.
1650
01:17:38,221 --> 01:17:43,292
And they released a list of 38
technical studies that they did
1651
01:17:43,326 --> 01:17:44,994
as part of this program:
1652
01:17:45,028 --> 01:17:47,997
antigravity, wormholes,
1653
01:17:48,031 --> 01:17:49,065
warp drive.
1654
01:17:49,098 --> 01:17:50,834
But here's the smoking gun.
1655
01:17:50,867 --> 01:17:53,502
There was a paper
on the Drake equation.
1656
01:17:53,536 --> 01:17:56,172
Now, the only purpose
of the Drake equation
1657
01:17:56,205 --> 01:17:59,208
is to estimate the number
of communicable civilizations
1658
01:17:59,242 --> 01:18:00,343
in our galaxy.
1659
01:18:01,377 --> 01:18:03,847
NARRATOR:
In 1961,
1660
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:08,251
radio astronomer Frank Drake
proposed a mathematical argument
1661
01:18:08,284 --> 01:18:10,253
for the likelihood
of the existence
1662
01:18:10,286 --> 01:18:14,257
of intelligent extraterrestrial
life in the galaxy.
1663
01:18:15,191 --> 01:18:17,493
DENNIN: Frank Drake
developed an equation
1664
01:18:17,526 --> 01:18:20,096
that took the probability
of different things happening--
1665
01:18:20,129 --> 01:18:21,597
having the right type of sun,
1666
01:18:21,630 --> 01:18:23,232
having the right type of planet,
1667
01:18:23,266 --> 01:18:25,534
how many planets and stars
there were--
1668
01:18:25,568 --> 01:18:29,873
and made an estimate
of how likely life would be.
1669
01:18:29,906 --> 01:18:31,875
JOHN BRANDENBURG:
The Drake equation would seem
1670
01:18:31,908 --> 01:18:34,277
to logically predict
1671
01:18:34,310 --> 01:18:37,546
tens of thousands
of civilizations out there
1672
01:18:37,580 --> 01:18:41,450
that we ought to be able
to hear on radio traffic.
1673
01:18:41,484 --> 01:18:43,219
The thing with the videos--
1674
01:18:43,252 --> 01:18:44,921
there are factions
1675
01:18:44,954 --> 01:18:47,190
that probably think
it's Russia or it's China
1676
01:18:47,223 --> 01:18:48,925
or it's our own tech.
1677
01:18:48,958 --> 01:18:51,294
And so it's not Russia
and China.
1678
01:18:51,327 --> 01:18:53,062
Otherwise, the Drake equation
wouldn't be part of that.
1679
01:18:53,096 --> 01:18:55,398
I don't know whether I've heaved
a sigh of relief or, uh,
1680
01:18:55,431 --> 01:18:57,901
-or-or holding my breath in...
-So, let-let-let...
-But it's all...
1681
01:18:57,934 --> 01:18:59,468
-None of this is disputed.
-TAYLOR: Let me add to this.
1682
01:18:59,502 --> 01:19:02,238
Up until recently, if a pilot
1683
01:19:02,271 --> 01:19:06,042
saw and reported a UFO,
it was the end of his career.
1684
01:19:06,075 --> 01:19:09,545
-Right.
-They decided he was nuts or
whatever and wasn't trustworthy
1685
01:19:09,578 --> 01:19:11,047
-or it was something
you didn't talk about.
-Mm.
1686
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:12,281
The new protocols are,
1687
01:19:12,315 --> 01:19:14,984
while there may be pieces
that are classified to it,
1688
01:19:15,018 --> 01:19:16,485
the deal is
if you see something,
1689
01:19:16,519 --> 01:19:17,887
you have to say something to us.
1690
01:19:17,921 --> 01:19:21,124
Because if these things are
flying around in our airspace,
1691
01:19:21,157 --> 01:19:23,559
-we need to know about it.
-They destigmatized it.
1692
01:19:23,592 --> 01:19:26,229
-Yeah. That-that was the point.
-But it's okay for the pilots
to talk about.
1693
01:19:26,262 --> 01:19:30,233
I think that Ancient Aliens
has enabled the world
1694
01:19:30,266 --> 01:19:35,071
to talk about these topics
in a more open fashion.
1695
01:19:35,104 --> 01:19:39,242
I think that a discussion of
the extraterrestrial question,
1696
01:19:39,275 --> 01:19:41,444
the way it is conducted today,
1697
01:19:41,477 --> 01:19:44,113
-was not possible 15 years ago.
-Mm.
1698
01:19:44,147 --> 01:19:46,249
I mean, there are some on--
at-at this table
1699
01:19:46,282 --> 01:19:48,017
who have been following this,
1700
01:19:48,051 --> 01:19:51,020
including myself,
for 25-plus years.
1701
01:19:51,054 --> 01:19:54,257
-SHATNER: Wow.
-And I think that Ancient Aliens
1702
01:19:54,290 --> 01:19:57,426
was the reason
for this paradigm shift,
1703
01:19:57,460 --> 01:19:59,963
that we blazed the trail
1704
01:19:59,996 --> 01:20:03,332
for these discussions
to go on right now
1705
01:20:03,366 --> 01:20:07,303
and for more people to come
on board with these ideas.
1706
01:20:07,336 --> 01:20:12,141
So I think that Ancient Aliens
has been part of disclosure.
1707
01:20:12,175 --> 01:20:14,543
SHATNER:
I think it's utterly,
1708
01:20:14,577 --> 01:20:16,145
utterly fascinating.
1709
01:20:16,179 --> 01:20:19,048
And, you know,
we've been at this, uh,
1710
01:20:19,082 --> 01:20:21,650
discussion... so beautifully
1711
01:20:21,684 --> 01:20:23,519
and so connectively,
1712
01:20:23,552 --> 01:20:25,955
I feel like I-I've known you
all my life.
1713
01:20:25,989 --> 01:20:29,025
So, the through line
that I started
1714
01:20:29,058 --> 01:20:30,726
our discussion was
"convince me."
1715
01:20:30,759 --> 01:20:33,529
What I'd like to tell you is--
1716
01:20:33,562 --> 01:20:35,999
and I got a chill
just thinking about it--
1717
01:20:36,032 --> 01:20:39,168
is that I feel...
(stammers)
1718
01:20:39,202 --> 01:20:42,005
I-I believe much more now
1719
01:20:42,038 --> 01:20:46,742
about what you purportedly
think of as ancient aliens.
1720
01:20:46,775 --> 01:20:49,212
I'm beginning to understand more
1721
01:20:49,245 --> 01:20:53,082
why people of your intelligence
and education
1722
01:20:53,116 --> 01:20:54,717
believe this-this-this
to be true.
1723
01:20:54,750 --> 01:20:57,386
I understand that
more completely now.
1724
01:20:57,420 --> 01:21:01,524
I am so grateful
that you imparted to me
1725
01:21:01,557 --> 01:21:04,527
and hopefully to the audience
watching the show
1726
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:07,330
this passionate information,
1727
01:21:07,363 --> 01:21:12,001
in all its various forms that
you all individually believe.
1728
01:21:12,035 --> 01:21:15,438
It smacks of passion.
It smacks of truth.
1729
01:21:15,471 --> 01:21:18,041
It smacks of intrigue.
1730
01:21:18,074 --> 01:21:20,543
It smacks of complexity
1731
01:21:20,576 --> 01:21:24,713
and a mystery that is,
uh, unexplained.
1732
01:21:26,582 --> 01:21:27,516
Thank you.
1733
01:21:27,550 --> 01:21:29,018
-Thank you.
-Thank you, Bill.
-Yeah.
1734
01:21:29,052 --> 01:21:30,719
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