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-(excited chatter)
-ERIK: You got it?

MATTY:
Season Five

of The Secret
of Skinwalker Ranch

continues to reveal
strange happenings,

-both high...
-TRAVIS: What is it?

There is absolutely electricity

-built up on this thing.
-MATTY: ...and low.

-There shouldn't be any,
should there?
-TRAVIS: No.

MATTY:
So tonight,

I'm meeting with principal
investigator Erik Bard

and astrophysicist
Dr. Travis Taylor...

...about how they are
applying hard science...

TRAVIS:
It's a very difficult task.

We just start trying
everything we can think of.

MATTY:
...to solve a mystery

that defies everything
we thought we knew...

TRAVIS:
UAP right there!

ERIK:
The very active observation may

have stimulated
the appearance of these things.

MATTY:
...about the laws of nature.

It's completely unknown.

TRAVIS:
Holy cow! Look at that.

♪ ♪

Guys, thank you for meeting me
here at Homestead Two.

It's great to be back.

Season Five has been incredible.

You know, we've seen with
each year of the investigation,

new manifestations of what we've
been calling the phenomenon,

which, frankly,

I'm uncomfortable
referring to it in the singular

because there are,
in fact, many phenomena

that play out here
on the property.

-Travis?
-TRAVIS: We've looked across

different physics, chemistry,
math, sciences,

everything you can think of.
Engineering technologies.

And we seem to find

some aspect of whatever
this phenomenon

is or are, across
every measurement we make.

So that suggests that

if it's a singular phenomenon,

then it's
extremely encompassing.

And if it's multiple phenomena,

then what in the world
are we dealing with?

Because there's many of them.

-Right.
-ERIK: I was initially

coming into this thinking
that we might be dealing

with some kind of geophysics

or atmospheric physics
that might be easily explained.

But we find
that the deeper we dig,

or the higher we look,
for that matter,

the more we find.

KALEB: Oh, right there.
I see it.

BRYANT:
Oh, yeah.

Is that something walking
on the ground?

What is that thing
that flew into the mesa?

Wow, it's unbelievable.

Holy crap. Look at this.

We've got a signal right now
that's pulsing.

I think it's two things
talking to each other.

That is crazy.

What is that?

Straight up, it's right there.

BRYANT: Right here.
It's right above our heads.

TRAVIS:
Right there!

Are you both confident
that the scientific method

could potentially solve

something that's
so ethereal and strange?

The scientific method tells us,

do your homework,
study everything you can

about whatever it is
you're looking into.

Then form a hypothesis

that you can actually
test and falsify,

or verify

through a measurement
or an experiment."

Conduct that experiment,
collect the data,

then report on the data
after you do some analysis.

And we're making
measurements and experiments

-to test that hypothesis.
-Got it.

Let's talk about the kinds
of things we're measuring here.

-Please.
-ERIK: We've seen

microwave radiation,

-gamma rays, even neutrons.
-Even neutrons.

ERIK: And, Matty,
we've all been advised

that we may be

sitting on top
of something artificial,

technological.

In other words, you know,
there is in the narrative

the idea of something
underground.

-Yeah.
-Like an alien base

-or something crazy like that.
-Right.

-Right.
-ERIK: But the fact is,

we're dealing with a transient
phenomenon, which means

something that can be,

absent most of the time
and present in an instant.

That is fascinating.

When we first got out here,
the very first day,

we measured radiation signals
that were disturbing.

And so, we had
a sweep done for safety

to make sure
that there's not a continuous,

always-on, uh, source
of something dangerous.

And there was nothing here.

But then, we were picking up
a-a microwave signal,

at 1.6 gigahertz.

And so, to put that
in perspective,

your microwave oven that you

pop popcorn with is
at 2.45 gigahertz.

And so is your Wi-Fi router.

-All right.
-So we're at about half
that frequency.

But we can't figure out
where it's coming from.

I'm not sure when we're holding

these meters any particular way,

which direction
the signal's coming from.

TRAVIS:
So we developed

a high school science project
level experiment

where you use coffee cans,

and you put a detector
inside the can

so that the only way
that a signal can get

to the detector is
if it's coming

from the direction

of inside
the opening in the can.

(detector squealing)

So I get my biggest readings
when I'm like this looking up.

It's coming from up there.

Well, the strongest
signal's coming

from this spot roughly
5,000 feet above the ranch.

And it turned out to be
right over the triangle

where this signal
seemed to be coming from.

And that's when
I talked with Erik and said,

"Erik, we really need
a way to map this."

So I took the initiative
to-to create a map,

not only of the ranch--

where the radiation is
coming from--

but in fact,
of the entire Uinta Basin.

This is a three-dimensional
model of the Uinta Basin.

We're basically talking
about a very shallow bowl.

And of interest to us,
of course, is

what's the origin of that bowl,

and the kinds of things
we're measuring here?

Well, one of my PhD
dissertation topics was actually

on impact crater sites.

And it got us
to looking at this,

and I realized the Uinta Basin
looks a lot like it was

a, uh, impact site

sometime in the distant past.

So it's possible that there's
something impacted here in Utah.

Uh, it could have been
a comet, an asteroid

or even a crashing
alien spacecraft,

UAP, who knows?

We don't know what it was,
but it does look like

something impacted here,
created this bowl shape

that is causing
these reflected energy signals

that we're measuring.

Incredible. The notion
of a impact site from a UAP.

And that's exactly
what I want to talk about next--

aerial phenomena,
and how you might use science

to track, categorize,

and maybe even stimulate them.

And I want to do that next.

What could possibly explain

all the incredible
aerial phenomena

that's being experienced here

on Skinwalker Ranch?

Well, here to tell us
once and for all

exactly what UAPs are,

are Erik Bard and Travis Taylor.

-That's a tall order.
-Yeah.

You're not asking for much.

I'm kind of kidding, of course.

But maybe you two are closer
than anyone ever has been

to using science to explain

-what it might be.
-TRAVIS: Yeah.

UAP originally coined as, uh,

"unidentified aerial phenomena,"

then "aerospace phenomena,"

and now it's
"anomalous phenomena."

Indeed, you know, obviously,

the "U" part of UAP plays
a big role here.

There's a lot of stuff we see
that we cannot identify.

Things that appear to be
at very high altitude,

and in some cases,
only a few hundred feet

above the earth here.

In some cases,
actually inside the Earth.

(exhales)

ERIK:
Recently, as you've seen,

something that may, in fact,

be what we call
a transmedium phenomenon.

Something passing
through the earth itself

and emerging here
on the property

not far from the triangle.

Watch what happens in the sky

just above the mesa.

TRAVIS:
Whoa.

-Okay, look, look.
-TRAVIS: Look at that.

ERIK: Right there.
This is the feature of interest.

BRANDON:
Right. I'm seeing it.

TRAVIS:
It went behind the mesa.

BRYANT:
Where'd it go?
Where'd it go?

Did it go right behind the mesa?

Yes. And on closer inspection,

it appears as if there's
a corresponding light

and illuminated area
on the mesa itself.

-Right there. Right there.
-TRAVIS: Yeah.

Now, watch what happens
as we play through.

-TRAVIS: Oh! Right there. Look.
-BRANDON: Oh, my gosh.

-Oh, my gosh.
-There it goes. Oh, my gosh.

We ask ourselves
all the time, why here?

Why in the middle of Utah?

Why in the middle of nowhere
are we seeing

so many of these phenomena
that we can't determine

what they are
and why they're here?

ERIK: Matty,
when I came into this work,

I was searching for what we
would call a prosaic answer,

-a mundane answer.
-Sure.

Maybe something
out of nature and ideas

like ball lightning
or so-called earthquake lights.

Things that could have
geophysical causes

were high on the list
of possibilities.

-Sure.
-ERIK: But as we've continued,

what I would call
the observational science,

which includes things like

surveillance cameras,

monitoring
and measurement systems,

we've seen that we've got

more than just meets the eye
going on here.

We have things that,
right here where we sit,

I captured something
that appeared to be

-undergoing a kind
of searching behavior.
-Yeah.

Right over this road.

TRAVIS: We would
call it an orb, probably.

ERIK: I think,
I think it would've been

categorized as an orb.

We've seen all sorts of things
that could range from possibly

a nuts-and-bolts craft
that we saw last year

over the east canyon field

to energy manifestations, like
flying into and out of the mesa.

It was hard to tell if that had
any physical structure to it.

And even UAP that seemed to have

some sort of energy field
or bubble around them.

Like, I'm thinking of the one,

unfortunately,
where the cow died.

In this case, I was studying
what was happening

with this cow that passed away
there at the fence line...

The surveillance cameras
captured the ordeal

that this animal went through
over a period of several hours.

TOM:
Is that black object the cow?

ERIK:
Yeah, that's it, Tom.

The cow is right here.

What we'll do is

go forward very slowly
and watch what happens with her.

Now, you see
the cow starts to get up.

So here,

I can't help but also notice

that there's something
happening here.

-TRAVIS: Oh, whoa, look at that.
-TOM: Right there.

TRAVIS:
Look at that.

The moment that
that object appeared

above the cow,
the cow was reacting.

Yes.

ERIK: At that moment,
as the cow raises her head

in what were probably
the last moments of her life,

we see something moving
at very high velocity,

over that fence line.

Potentially very fast.
Hypersonic, even.

-Incredible.
-You know, that particular thing

we saw there, Erik,
hovering over the cow,

and then, that darted off,
when we do analysis into it,

it's not unlike the Gimbal video
that everybody's aware of.

There seems to be an artifact
around whatever this object is

that looks like sort of a halo
or a bubble around it.

Now, it's unclear,

with the one
that we measured over the cow,

if it was an artifact
of encoding in the camera

or if it was real.

But since it looks
very similar to what we saw,

we can't say 100% that there
is some kind of halo or bubble

around what we saw,
but it is possible.

And if it is,
that could be a telltale sign

of whatever its propulsion
mechanism could be,

like the warp bubbles
from science fiction.

Incredible.

We've talked about
aerial phenomena

that you happen to catch,

but I'd like to talk about
the ones that maybe

you've perhaps stimulated
using science and experiments.

And it's that I want
to focus on, coming up.

Yeah, let's do it.

captured

on film unexpectedly,
and they're incredible.

But there's many times,
following your journey,

that you have used experiments
to maybe draw these things out.

Yeah, so that's called
a-a dog whistle.

You know,
you blow the dog whistle

and the dogs come running.

-Right.
-Well, we kind of also

refer to it in a vernacular

that my, uh,
grandmother gave us,

and it was
"poking the hornet's nest."

-Mm.
-And so, we often
poke the hornet's nest

to see what flies out.

I suppose one
scientific question would be,

are those UAPs always there

or are your experiments
directly causing them to appear?

That is really
the question for me.

You know,
we often say to each other,

-"correlation is not causation."
-Absolutely.

-Ah, right. Right.
-ERIK: We don't know

the answer to your question.

But there's so many ways
in which we may have stimulated

the appearance of these things.

We've seen things
as if stimulated,

above the ranch when we've
launched swarms of drones.

-Drones are armed.
-TRAVIS: All right,
drones are going,

the drones are going.

Wow, look at that.

ERIK:
Oh, wow.

TRAVIS:
You did see something
in the FLIR?

ERIK:
Yep, moving up here
from the center

up towards the upper
left-hand corner of the screen.

Oh, what is that?

ERIK:
And when we have directed

very powerful lasers
into the space

directly above the triangle...

Travis, you-you got to see this.

-Okay...
-Well, there's the lasers.

Yeah, I'm doing
an instant playback.

-You see this?
-Oh. Yeah.

TRAVIS:
Wow. It's moving

way too fast
for it to be a satellite.

ERIK:
This thing's really
clipping along.

BRANDON:
Oh, my gosh.

It disappeared. That's insane.

We've heard people say,
"Oh, when you launch

the rockets, the UFOs show up."

Well, we don't know that
for 100% accuracy.

-What we do know...
-Smoke's hot.

...is that a lot of times,
when we fire rockets,

that correlates

with the sighting
of some sort of phenomena.

-Hey, look! UAP right there!
-KALEB: Yep,

-I see it.
-BRYANT: Yep, there it is,
you got one.

Now, we fire the rockets
for scientific purposes.

They're a-a cheap way

to put a sensor
1,000 feet in the sky.

You've seen these things,
you've done the experiments,

you've seen them appear.

What does your scientific gut
tell you if that's a thing?

You've both been doing this
a long time.

I-I think right now,
you could say

we have so much, uh, data

that there's certainly something
strange occurring here.

Right now,
we're trying to overlay,

does it occur more
when we poke the nest

-than it does just at random?
-Mm-hmm.

-Yeah, I'd agree with that.
-You have described

various types
of aerial phenomena,

but there's also something
in the mesa behind me.

Can you speak
to that possibility,

and what science might be
telling you about that?

-Well, I can begin
to speak to it.
-Okay.

You see us
drilling into the mesa

looking for these anomalies
that we see coming out

in ground-penetrating radar,
or GPR.

This is something
that is without precedent.

Here's what we know.

The profile of the drill bit
that went in got pushed down,

and then came up
on the backside of it...

Yeah, I'm up against
something pretty hard right now.

TRAVIS:
...making an arc shape
or a dome shape

or the bottom of a saucer.

What's going on, Thomas?

The drill has encountered
a hard object

-that it cannot penetrate.
-Wow.

TRAVIS: We came back
and drilled higher up,

and something pushed it up
and then it went over.

What if it does turn out to be
something fantastic and amazing?

We don't want to destroy it
by just blowing up the mesa.

-Right.
-ERIK: Now famously,

we've brought these shards

of material out
that have all kinds

of interesting layering.

We're talking about
iron and aluminum,

but also some other
interesting elements like

vanadium and tellurium.

TRAVIS:
And when we took that

to the University of Utah,

and had the, uh, metallurgy
department look into it there,

they assured us that this
was a manufactured material,

there is no natural phenomena
that could create it

and that it is centered
like a ceramic material,

just like the materials

that are the reentry tiles
on the Space Shuttle.

Uh, so, what on earth is that,
and why is it

300 feet inside the mesa
here at Skinwalker Ranch?

-Awesome.
-ERIK: And when you put that

in the context of things
we've been told about the mesa

and things flying into it,

I mean, all of that together
tells a fascinating story.

Well, the mesa
continues to astound.

I don't know if you've
mentally allowed yourself

the possibility of pulling
a craft out of the mesa, but...

we can't wait to see
what happens next.

Everything you've done
scientifically might be pointing

to exactly where
this phenomena is coming from,

and I want to talk
about that next.

All right.

Is there an explanation
for all the high strangeness

on Skinwalker Ranch or maybe

a virtual doorway
to the answers?

Erik Bard, Dr. Travis Taylor.

You're talking about
the idea of all of this

originating from an elsewhere

or a point of origin
that is, if you will,

outside of our space.

That may be something's coming
through as we've been told,

through portals, wormholes,
that kind of thing.

Travis and I share a fascination
with the Indigenous record

about things
affecting space and time,

potentially in the same ways
that we're observing today

with our exquisitely
sensitive instruments.

In fact, we've found evidence

that could possibly
support the idea.

I'm not saying we have
the-the smoking gun yet,

but we actually have
lidar data that vanished.

And the way a lidar works, it's
a laser with a spinning mirror,

so it's sending laser beams out
all over in a hemisphere.

And when the lidar beam
went to a certain spot

here on the ranch
near the triangle,

the data vanished,

like it went somewhere else,
through a doorway

-and it didn't come back.
-Wow.

Uh, so, so, is this just

missing data or are-- do we find
the data somewhere else?

-Where it wouldn't normally be
expected to be found...
-ROYSTON: The only data we see

in this area,
you know, it's pretty dense.

So you go from, like,
really dense scan to nothing.

Wow.

It's like it absorbed

the lidar lasers.

TRAVIS:
Can you zoom way out?

Whoa.

-ERIK: Look at that.
-That's interesting.

ERIK:
Yeah.

What is that red circle?

It's a, it's a shadow
of something.

What did--
what are we looking at?

-THOMAS: Black hole? (chuckles)
-Could be--

-well, that could be...
-I mean...

...a shadow of a wormhole.

We have that data
repeated now multiple times.

And we have even more
significant data

that we found
this summer that...

w-we can't explain,
'cause here's the problem.

Our current understanding
of physics

is that if there were
a traversable wormhole,

some sort of portal or doorway,

it would've ripped us apart,
being that close to it.

It would've destroyed
a big chunk of the planet,

-if not the whole planet.
-Right.

So, we need to understand
physics better.

If this truly is some sort of
magic portal or doorway,

it's gonna be within
the laws of physics.

Mm. How about when GPS data,
for example,

goes wonky
when it shows you being...

underground, wildly off
what you think it would be?

What-- could that fit
into this theory?

-Absolutely.
-Absolutely does.

You know, GPS is
really quite straightforward.

We've got these constellations

of satellites
in middle Earth orbit

broadcasting signals
down to receivers at our level.

-Right.
-And if we plant receivers

at fixed locations

on the property
and we see them undergoing

some kind of phantom movement,

it invites speculation
as to what could be

in that space between
the satellites and the ground

that is warping space and time.

Well, the one thing
I would add to it

is that we continue
to make measurements

that suggest
there's something real

to these ancient legends
and myths.

And we are going to continue
to make measurements,

and we don't know right now
if this is a portal,

is it going to somewhere else
or some when else?

Mm. (chuckles)

Wow. Amazing.

I just want to thank you guys,
and thank you on behalf of fans,

'cause I hear from people
that say, "I've learned so much

about science,"
which is very exciting.

And I think you two

are a credit
to the scientific community

because of your open-mindedness
to this topic.

-Thank you.
-Thank you.

-Keep going.
-We will.

So, are we getting closer to
the answers on Skinwalker Ranch?

Only time will tell.

Stay tuned
as this team continues

to poke that hornet's nest
with incredible operations.

Thank you so much for watching,

and as always,
have a great night.

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