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[dog barking]
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[light jazz music]
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- I think what you'll
have to let me do
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is not ask me, is that the
first time you went to America?
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Or anything like that,
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I think you just
let me just talk
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and just get it over
with, I think that's it,
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and um cause if, you know
if you stop and I think
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oh I've got to think
about that part of it now,
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have I can't I just?
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Do we have to cover every
bit of it, you know?
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Anyway you know I will
get into it but it's so
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boring to say all the.
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[soft orchestral music]
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I've got spacial intelligence.
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As a child of five I could
have made a pair of shoes.
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It's for a pocket, that's why
I drew me hand on it first.
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Sometimes the question is put
to me, will you ever retire?
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What I say is, if people
retire they do what they like,
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and I'm doing what
I want in the sense
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that I feel I ought to do it,
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but if I really
could do what I want,
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what I would do is I
would learn Chinese.
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I mean I think that
that blue on there
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is quite good actually, I
think just for a change,
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I think it's fine
but the multi-color,
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no not so good is it? Okay.
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- And the hair, Vivienne?
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- Sorry?
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- And the hair, the black girl?
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- No the hair looks lovely.
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I like the hair.
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And let's just try, how
with her hair taken back,
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just to see if I
like that better?
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I think she looks better, yeah.
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- Just pushed back a
little bit further?
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- Yeah, no I don't
like that at all.
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No, take it off.
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I don't remember doing this.
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Fuck them, they're
just disgusting,
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we did such a nice thing.
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What's with this tiny hem?
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How did that happen?
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We decided we
wanted a small hem?
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- Yes.
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- Are you sure?
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Why did I want a small hem?
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- That's what I had taken
in my notes, saying here.
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- [Vivienne] I actually told
you, put a small hem there?
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I would never have said that.
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- Just in the drawing it
was, so I just judged.
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- Well next time
you make a judgment,
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don't make a judgment.
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Just get it into your
head, I like a big rib.
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I don't like this tiny rib.
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It's crap, I really
don't like it.
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Anyway, so I don't know if I
want to show any of this shit,
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and I don't know what
the fuck this is.
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[soft acoustic guitar]
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I don't know what I'm
doing, it's a mess.
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It's my fault,
it's just not good.
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- [Andreas] I think you
should not do this thing.
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- I don't want to do it
anymore, but what do we do?
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What do we about it?
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Who does do it?
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Let's just close the company.
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It's quite interested at
doing it next season but,
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when I look at that,
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I don't know why it
turned out not good.
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I like the princess coats.
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Anyway I'm just totally
bored talking about this,
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but you need it,
so I'll tell you.
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From the age of 11, 12,
I made my own clothes.
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When I was little I saw a
picture of the crucifixion,
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and it really did
change my life.
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And I thought to myself,
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my parents, they've
been deceiving me.
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They've told me all
about baby Jesus but they
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never told me what
happened to him.
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And I just thought, I can't
trust the people in this world,
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I've got to find out for myself,
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this kind of thing can't happen.
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I did feel that I had to
be like a knight to stop
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people doing terrible
things to each other.
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And I think that that's
had something to do with
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my fashion clothes as well,
it's always got to be that.
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You know you've
got to cut a figure
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and be prepared for action,
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and engagement, with things.
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[solemn orchestral music]
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And just before I was 17,
my art teacher Mister Bell,
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he had the idea that I
should go to art school.
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I stayed at art school
for the term only,
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because we were
so working class,
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it was like, how am I
going to earn my living?
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And so then I thought, I know,
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I will go to teacher
training college
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and take art as my main subject
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and I'll try to be an artist.
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And then if I can't be an artist
I can be a school teacher.
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And that's what I decided to do.
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We had bee hives
then, 60's was coming,
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white shoes, oh
God I loved them.
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With little lace-ups,
like a nurse.
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Oh they were, they
were fantastic.
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Rock and roll was just starting,
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and as a teenager
and wanted to do what
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all the other
teenagers were doing,
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that's where I met Derek
Westwood in the end, yeah.
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He was a great dancer, that
Derek, a very good dancer.
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- [Announcer] Back
from their honeymoon,
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she and Tim are
headed for a life
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of wedded bliss, they think.
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- I grew up with
the idea that you're
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supposed to stay with one man,
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you're supposed to
find the one man.
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What we were actually living
was the American Dream,
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the housewife all smiling,
all lovely little hair style
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and crisp with an apron
on and everything,
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and hubby comes home,
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and he's got ideal family
and somehow that's it,
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that's all you see.
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But the American
dream stops there.
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I just realize, no no, it's
all a load of old rubbish,
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what a lot of old
bollocks that is.
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Somehow I had to explore,
I had to get out.
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I got married when I was
21, and had Ben at 22,
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and Derek and I split
up and mostly because
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I was not my fulfilling
my potential to
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understand something
about the world.
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- I remember Malcolm turning up.
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I sort of remember my
and mother and Malcolm
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from when I was about five.
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I remember,
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we used to live in
a flat in The Oval,
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near the cricket ground.
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And Malcolm was very
hot-headed and quite young,
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and he didn't want
children around him,
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he didn't have much
patience for us.
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- I stopped teaching, I had
two children, Joe and Ben.
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Anyway Joe was Malcolm's
son and he was born,
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Malcolm was ill,
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and I looked after
him and that's how
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it all began, I didn't
want him at all,
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but I felt that I've misled
him by being too kind to him,
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and when I had Joe I
wanted to have an abortion,
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and I really wasn't
happy at all,
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and one day I suddenly realized,
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this man is gold,
what am I doing?
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We went to Compendium Book Shop.
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We went to the Marxist
shop in Chinatown.
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He came from a Jewish family,
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they knew the world.
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I was really a
woman on a mission.
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Because I knew I was stupid,
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and I had to discover what
was going on in the world.
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[rock and roll music]
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Malcolm had the
idea of buying up
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these old rock and roll records,
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and he thought that he could
sell them to trendy people.
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My favorite shop,
Mister Freedom,
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was at 430 Kings Road,
that's still my shop.
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That shop has got
really a lot of history,
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it was the first
this, the first that.
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Anyway, it wasn't
doing very well,
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so the shop manager invited us
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to have the back
half of the shop,
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to sell our records in.
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I borrowed some
money off my mother,
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a hundred pound.
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And um, that's when we
started also making clothes.
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We called it, Let It Rock.
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Every time we changed
the name of the shop,
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we changed the
clothes, you know?
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It's like doing a new
collection each time.
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Malcolm had the idea
that we were going to
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confront the
establishment through sex,
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because he said, England
is the home of the flasher.
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His slogan was, Rubber
Wear for the Office.
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Was very clever, Malcolm,
literarily and everything,
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except he never read anything.
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Why the hell does
anybody need this?
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Can't you get a bit of
old footage or something?
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No you can't, no you
can't, I know that.
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Anyway,
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he was interested in
those 50's pin ups,
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where you've got girls
who are just there,
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they've just been washed up
by a ship wreck on the beach,
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and they're all torn, you know?
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I'm wearing something
torn right now,
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it's really great this,
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I'll get up later on, it's all
got this torn edge, love it.
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- [Interviewer] Shall we
jump to the Sex Pistols,
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and how they came about?
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- No no, I can't be
bothered with them, either.
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I don't know what
we're going to do.
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Really, if I've got to
talk about the Sex Pistols.
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- Have you finished?
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- This is the Destroy
Muslin tee shirt.
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It's one of the most
important pieces
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that Westwood and
McLaren created.
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The, the garment is
made from muslin.
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The sleeves,
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are very long and they
fold back and then,
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this would clip on to here,
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so making it
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more wearable, but the
notion of distortion
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of the sleeves,
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it reminds one a little
bit of a straight jacket.
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But it's really all
about the imagery.
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So here you've got a swastika,
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an inverted crucifix,
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the word 'destroy', and
then lyrics for Sex Pistols,
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I'm an Antichrist.
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And what Westwood and
McLaren were doing
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with these punk garments
was confronting society.
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- We invented punk.
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Malcolm had just come
back from America.
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He'd been managing
The New York Dolls,
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and he put together
a group, a pop group,
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from our Saturday boy Glen,
and a couple of our costumers,
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and Johnny Rotten was
quite a phenomenon,
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and he hasn't changed
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from being that
phenomenon unfortunately.
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He should have changed
to something else by now.
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Now then, my favorite shop
is the World's End Shop,
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and we still sell stuff we
designed at the time of punk.
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- Actually they
look good on you.
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They do look good on you.
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- [Vivienne] And every
time I design something,
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it has to have a story,
it's got a character.
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I think that that story is
part of a kind of a nostalgia
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that people can tap into.
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I mean things like
this are reminiscent
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of Greek peasant costumes,
this little kilt,
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and um, like the tartan,
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for this jacket and everything,
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and it's got, it's got an
old sort of feeling to it,
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a little bit to do with
rather sort of bandits
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in the countryside,
that kind of thing,
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something that you
might have seen
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at the Battle of Culloden,
something like that.
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And I just think that 'cause
it's got such content in there,
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and such a way to connect
with the human expression,
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you know, how you
walk, how you talk,
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you know, how you
attract people,
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and I just think that that's
why my clothes are timeless.
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- [Woman] Dame
Vivienne Westwood.
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This is a lady whose global
popularity knows no bounds,
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a Dame who personifies the
powerful and subversive
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originality of British fashion.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
may we present,
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Dame Vivienne Westwood.
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[upbeat orchestral music]
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[audience applauding
and cheering]
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- There's Vivienne, you know,
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the fashion designer,
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there is Vivienne,
the campaigner,
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and there is Vivienne
the person, you know.
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I like them all,
ever such a lot.
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But I really like
Vivienne, the person.
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I don't know why.
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I'm so,
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there is this word
love, you know?
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In love with her?
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I really don't know.
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I really don't know.
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I just, I don't know,
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you know you speak about
the love of your life and,
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I don't know is it,
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was it lucky?
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Was it not lucky, I don't know.
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- [Photographer] Nice, yes.
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- [Andreas] It
has never changed.
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If anything, it became stronger
and stronger, the bond.
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I like everything about her,
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the smell, the way
the hair falls,
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to every millimeter of her
little body, everything.
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- The best compliment
I can pay Andreas,
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is that I actually
like living with him
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as much as being on my own.
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I accepted a teaching job,
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first in Austria,
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because I did need the money.
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The line is under the bust,
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and then, it's coming
up here, in between.
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And it's where I met Andreas.
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And then Andreas came
with a group of students
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from Vienna to England,
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at the time when I was
doing a fashion show.
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Of course I gave them seats
to watch this fashion show,
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they were my students.
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And at the end of it, Andreas,
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I thought he was really cheeky,
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he didn't say it was great,
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he gave me the
idea that there was
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a lot of room for improvement.
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He stayed and he worked
on the next collection.
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- It was the old studio,
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and she just let me live there.
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Dirty old place.
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Every night when once they left,
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I would, you know, get out
this piece of leopard fur,
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under a table, and sleep
on it on the floor,
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you know, all this mess.
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I even had fleas at one point.
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But it was very
romantic and it was,
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and this place was full
of cardboard boxes,
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and in these cardboard boxes
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was all the archive and clothes,
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and I would study
them and you know,
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soon as everybody was
gone I would open them up
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and look at these things and
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you know I sometimes
would actually wear them,
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and go out in them.
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It was fantastic.
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Yeah, it was heaven,
it was the real thing,
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it was the thing I always
wanted, I just felt so happy.
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I never went back.
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- What is it?
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It's changing before
me eyes anyway
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I don't know what--
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- It's a square, the back,
the front is a simple square,
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which is just
draped a little bit.
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On the front, just
a bit of nothing,
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it's just thrown on
you a bit of cloth.
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- [Vivienne] He straight away
started telling us what to do.
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- Here, or it can just be here,
it's just a little square.
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- It's an apron or a dress?
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- It's an apron, but if
I pin it in the back.
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- [Vivienne] He's so
passionate about things,
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that you just have
to do what he says.
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The people who had worked
with me for quite a bit
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were very suspicious of him
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and he had to be careful
and they're just thinking,
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who does he think he is?
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Telling us to do this
that and the other.
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But they soon began to
realize how talented he was,
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and so we all went
along with it.
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- I suppose I have
to be honest and say
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I think in the beginning
I was quite suspicious of
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Andreas because, who's
this fucking guy?
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I mean he looks a bit
kind of gay and he's,
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I don't know, he kind
of wants to marry my mum
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and he's half her age and,
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you know what's all this about?
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But all I can is that,
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over the years that
they've been married,
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it's been a huge relief to me,
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that has allowed me
not to have to worry
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about my mum at all,
because I know that he's,
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he's absolutely besotted by her,
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and um, you know thinks
of her and her wellbeing,
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and looks after
her in many ways.
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And that was a really
nice relief, actually.
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- People didn't like
you for being a punk.
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We wanted to undermine
the establishment.
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The swastika, all these
things meant we don't
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accept the values of
this older generation.
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We hate it, we want to
destroy it, we don't want it.
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We were, it was youth against
age, that's what it was.
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But it had affected
fashion such a lot,
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the hair styles even,
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my spiky hair was in
vogue one one month later.
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And I realized that
you weren't really
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attacking the system at all.
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00:26:04,127 --> 00:26:06,913
It was being marketed
all the time.
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00:26:10,351 --> 00:26:13,789
I just realized that the
real marketing opportunity
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was that the English
society could claim
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how democratic and
how free they were
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that somehow kids could
revolt as much as that.
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In fact we weren't
attacking the establishment,
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we were just part
of the distraction.
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- So this fantastic ensemble
is from the pirate collection,
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and it's one of the
first pieces that the
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V and A acquired from
Vivienne Westwood.
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It was from a time when the shop
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had become known as World's End,
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and Vivienne was experimenting
with historical dress.
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- Like the snake print tunic,
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or the square-toed shoes.
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She'll take an idea
and then chew it over,
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and shake it and shake it,
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and come up with the most
extraordinary results.
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- The whole collection
was absolutely joyful,
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00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,607
it was a kind of repost
to the darkness of punk.
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She was introducing
color and pattern,
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00:27:36,742 --> 00:27:39,048
huge voluminous shirts,
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clothing that was worn
by both men and women,
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00:27:44,140 --> 00:27:48,492
clothing that was not
about sexual identity,
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00:27:49,624 --> 00:27:51,670
but was simply about
enjoyment of life.
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[funk rock music]
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- I didn't consider myself
a fashion designer at all,
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but I realized that
I was very talented,
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00:28:15,258 --> 00:28:18,218
and I felt that I
wanted people to know
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00:28:18,261 --> 00:28:20,742
that the stuff that was
on the Paris catwalk
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00:28:20,786 --> 00:28:21,874
had come from me.
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00:28:25,138 --> 00:28:27,096
And I just thought I must
get the benefit of this,
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I must enter this business world
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and start to really
sell the clothes
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00:28:31,492 --> 00:28:33,494
and present them to journalists
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00:28:33,537 --> 00:28:34,582
and be a fashion designer.
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00:28:34,625 --> 00:28:36,279
I realized that I could be.
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00:28:38,368 --> 00:28:41,763
- [Interviewer] What is a
self-confessed fashion anarchist
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00:28:41,807 --> 00:28:43,460
doing in bourgeois Paris anyway?
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00:28:44,287 --> 00:28:45,767
- You have to go
where you have to go,
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00:28:45,811 --> 00:28:47,334
you have to do what
you have to do,
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00:28:47,377 --> 00:28:49,902
and I certainly don't
want to be underground,
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00:28:49,945 --> 00:28:54,950
I want to be at a place of the
most focus that I can find.
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00:29:00,086 --> 00:29:02,088
Malcolm became
very jealous of me,
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00:29:02,131 --> 00:29:05,482
when I did fashion and he
went into the music business.
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00:29:07,093 --> 00:29:10,444
And he used to always pretend
that everything was him.
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00:29:15,492 --> 00:29:16,842
And I stayed with Malcolm
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00:29:16,885 --> 00:29:18,408
because I respected him
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00:29:18,452 --> 00:29:21,803
and had an incredible
loyalty to him,
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00:29:21,847 --> 00:29:25,241
but there came a point
where I sort of completely
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00:29:25,285 --> 00:29:28,810
outran Malcolm,
he'd stopped really.
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00:29:30,986 --> 00:29:34,424
His thinking had kind
of stayed where it was.
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00:29:36,862 --> 00:29:39,473
So I got intellectually
bored with Malcolm.
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00:29:55,532 --> 00:29:57,230
- Malcolm split from my mum,
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00:29:57,273 --> 00:29:58,709
and he was horrible
when he left.
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00:29:58,753 --> 00:30:02,844
He was all full of
tension, jealousy and,
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00:30:04,454 --> 00:30:07,718
I don't know, just wanted, he
was just one of them sort of
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people that when they,
something changes like that
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in their life, particularly
I think because Vivienne
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00:30:13,594 --> 00:30:15,204
had decided that it was over.
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00:30:16,075 --> 00:30:18,642
She couldn't bear it any longer,
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00:30:20,601 --> 00:30:25,606
and so he just turned into
a really horrible, spiteful
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00:30:26,476 --> 00:30:29,088
phase in his, trying
to smash everything up,
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00:30:29,131 --> 00:30:30,480
which he sort of did.
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00:30:32,961 --> 00:30:35,659
At a certain point it all
sort of turned to dust,
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00:30:35,703 --> 00:30:36,747
you know.
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00:30:38,837 --> 00:30:41,491
And so he went off
to Los Angeles to be
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00:30:41,535 --> 00:30:44,930
this kind of movie
producer, kind of thing,
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00:30:44,973 --> 00:30:47,671
you know and Mister
Big Bollocks,
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00:30:47,715 --> 00:30:52,676
and we were left in Clapham
trying to pick up the pieces.
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00:31:00,771 --> 00:31:03,339
[dog barking]
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00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,875
- Andreas and I work together.
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00:31:18,746 --> 00:31:21,575
We both work on the fashion.
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00:31:24,317 --> 00:31:26,972
And he's been amazing.
441
00:31:31,672 --> 00:31:34,544
There's an awful
lot of work needed
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00:31:34,588 --> 00:31:38,853
from a fashion designer, and
Andreas does the half of it.
443
00:31:41,551 --> 00:31:44,946
When you do a dress
you've got to work out
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00:31:44,990 --> 00:31:48,297
how to do everything, there's
every little decision.
445
00:31:48,341 --> 00:31:49,995
You do it more than once.
446
00:31:50,038 --> 00:31:52,084
Make her bust smaller,
I always keep asking.
447
00:31:52,127 --> 00:31:54,651
Maybe it's got so small
because she's losing weight.
448
00:31:56,131 --> 00:31:59,047
You do one first, then you
make it up in the real fabric.
449
00:32:00,005 --> 00:32:01,484
- Yeah, a little bit
of padding is nice.
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00:32:01,528 --> 00:32:02,616
- [Vivienne] A
little bit of what?
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00:32:02,659 --> 00:32:03,834
- Shoulder pads.
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00:32:03,878 --> 00:32:06,054
- Then you decide how
you're going to sew it.
453
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,405
All the time you're
trying it on people.
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00:32:11,625 --> 00:32:13,018
- What do you think, Vivienne?
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00:32:16,325 --> 00:32:19,241
- [Vivienne] It's really good
now that you've done that.
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00:32:19,285 --> 00:32:21,983
- There is something here.
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00:32:22,027 --> 00:32:23,593
- He needs me all the time.
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00:32:23,637 --> 00:32:27,554
I consider myself at this point
in time, as his reference,
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00:32:27,597 --> 00:32:30,600
call it muse, I'm there
to say yes or no or,
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00:32:31,775 --> 00:32:33,777
I don't think we
should be doing that.
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00:32:33,821 --> 00:32:35,649
I think it would be
much better if we,
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00:32:35,692 --> 00:32:39,740
if we tried it this way or
whatever, this kind of thing.
463
00:32:41,655 --> 00:32:43,613
- Honestly, everybody
knows Vivienne.
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00:32:43,657 --> 00:32:44,658
Vivienne, Vivienne, Vivienne.
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00:32:44,701 --> 00:32:46,486
My real first shock
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00:32:46,529 --> 00:32:49,706
when I first met
them back in 2010,
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00:32:50,969 --> 00:32:53,884
was the way that she was
working with Andreas,
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00:32:53,928 --> 00:32:58,324
at that time, 2010, or even
before, since he arrived,
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00:32:58,367 --> 00:32:59,151
nobody knew.
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00:33:00,891 --> 00:33:03,024
That was my real first shock.
471
00:33:03,068 --> 00:33:06,854
It was like, wow, I thought
that she was the designer,
472
00:33:06,897 --> 00:33:08,638
she was deciding everything, no.
473
00:33:09,813 --> 00:33:12,642
She was working
like 50-50 with him.
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00:33:15,689 --> 00:33:16,472
- Good.
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00:33:16,516 --> 00:33:17,430
- [Vivienne] Do you think so?
476
00:33:17,473 --> 00:33:17,996
- Yeah.
477
00:33:19,127 --> 00:33:20,041
- 'Cause it needs
something in the back.
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00:33:20,085 --> 00:33:22,522
I don't like it all see-through.
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00:33:22,565 --> 00:33:24,045
- [Andreas] She can
have knickers on.
480
00:33:24,089 --> 00:33:25,220
- Well she's got knickers on,
481
00:33:25,264 --> 00:33:26,656
I just don't like
to see the knickers.
482
00:33:26,700 --> 00:33:29,790
- [Andreas] I think there's
a tiny bit of cotton taff.
483
00:33:29,833 --> 00:33:31,270
- [Vivienne] I mean
that's what you want,
484
00:33:31,313 --> 00:33:33,837
that's exactly what you need,
a bit of cotton taffeta.
485
00:33:35,883 --> 00:33:38,755
- Vivienne and Andreas work
in a very particular way,
486
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:40,757
and I think it's a
very old fashioned way,
487
00:33:40,801 --> 00:33:44,587
but it's really how the great
couturiers have always worked.
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00:33:45,806 --> 00:33:47,112
They work with their hands.
489
00:33:47,155 --> 00:33:48,852
You know, they work on the body.
490
00:33:50,115 --> 00:33:52,769
It's very physical,
Vivienne's clothes really
491
00:33:52,813 --> 00:33:55,076
have a rapport with
the body as a result.
492
00:33:58,775 --> 00:34:01,996
- She's really an
old-style teacher.
493
00:34:03,128 --> 00:34:05,826
He is a mess,
494
00:34:05,869 --> 00:34:08,176
like a proper student art mess,
495
00:34:08,220 --> 00:34:12,224
which from the mess, from
the chaos, he can create.
496
00:34:13,747 --> 00:34:17,011
[light orchestral music]
497
00:34:26,151 --> 00:34:29,110
- I like to give my best and
498
00:34:29,154 --> 00:34:32,766
I question what I do constantly.
499
00:34:34,942 --> 00:34:39,120
Of course there are days
where I'm quite content
500
00:34:39,164 --> 00:34:44,125
and maybe happy with who
I am or what I've done,
501
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:46,562
but most of the time, not.
502
00:34:46,606 --> 00:34:47,346
I'm really,
503
00:34:49,826 --> 00:34:52,525
it's hard work.
504
00:34:52,568 --> 00:34:54,135
- [Vivienne] I don't know,
I mean it quite suits
505
00:34:54,179 --> 00:34:56,964
this sort of business suit
she's got on to start with.
506
00:34:57,007 --> 00:34:58,270
- But if something
cleaner, then maybe?
507
00:34:58,313 --> 00:35:00,185
- No I don't know,
but what's her second,
508
00:35:00,228 --> 00:35:03,057
I mean I quite like her
hair scruffy as it is.
509
00:35:03,101 --> 00:35:05,712
- I thought we did like
a weird Marilyn version
510
00:35:05,755 --> 00:35:07,714
in like the scruffed
up be quite interesting
511
00:35:07,757 --> 00:35:09,063
as well on her.
512
00:35:09,107 --> 00:35:10,325
- Yeah I love that.
513
00:35:10,369 --> 00:35:13,198
- A little cardigan
and drapey trousers.
514
00:35:13,241 --> 00:35:16,244
- Ah, if she's got that.
- Like a jogging thing.
515
00:35:16,288 --> 00:35:17,593
- All right that's nice,
516
00:35:17,637 --> 00:35:22,163
then the clothes are
all right with that.
517
00:35:25,384 --> 00:35:27,473
No, that's her first
look, that one.
518
00:35:27,516 --> 00:35:29,779
Okay so we have to get
this outfit for Grace
519
00:35:29,823 --> 00:35:31,346
and what I wanted to do,
520
00:35:32,608 --> 00:35:34,958
somebody should tell
her, or I'll tell her,
521
00:35:35,002 --> 00:35:37,091
I'm changing her
outfit where is she?
522
00:35:37,135 --> 00:35:38,266
I'll find her.
523
00:35:44,229 --> 00:35:46,274
Oh and we've got to
change your hair.
524
00:35:46,318 --> 00:35:48,972
I'm going back to change
your hair, where is he?
525
00:35:49,016 --> 00:35:50,583
Changing the hair.
526
00:35:54,848 --> 00:35:56,763
- Everyone in this area,
527
00:35:56,806 --> 00:35:59,026
you don't need to be standing
around here, move back.
528
00:35:59,069 --> 00:36:01,985
If you're a dresser stand
right next to your rail.
529
00:36:04,292 --> 00:36:07,165
[soft jazz music]
530
00:36:26,314 --> 00:36:28,925
[crowd cheering]
531
00:37:25,373 --> 00:37:27,636
- Carlo is funny, I
mean I don't know,
532
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,074
Carlo used to have a business
that was selling carpets,
533
00:37:31,118 --> 00:37:35,949
and second hand watches,
and cars and things,
534
00:37:35,992 --> 00:37:38,691
kind of hippy
trader kind of guy.
535
00:37:57,405 --> 00:37:59,625
- I just happened to
need to stay in Italy
536
00:37:59,668 --> 00:38:01,322
because that's where I was,
537
00:38:01,366 --> 00:38:05,979
the producers were, and I was
designing in a space there,
538
00:38:06,022 --> 00:38:08,677
and working with this
factory at, to begin with.
539
00:38:10,113 --> 00:38:13,639
- When I was 22 I
was living in Rome,
540
00:38:13,682 --> 00:38:16,990
and then she was
working in an Italian,
541
00:38:17,033 --> 00:38:19,122
in a factory near Florence.
542
00:38:20,689 --> 00:38:23,779
This factory was producing
the Mini-Crini collection,
543
00:38:23,823 --> 00:38:27,043
and then when she went to
Paris to do the collection
544
00:38:27,087 --> 00:38:30,830
I helped and I remember
being on the train
545
00:38:30,873 --> 00:38:32,658
with all the kind
of final pieces
546
00:38:32,701 --> 00:38:35,225
that had been done
at the last minute,
547
00:38:35,269 --> 00:38:38,141
and I was sleeping on the seats.
548
00:38:38,185 --> 00:38:40,274
And then the show
you know suddenly
549
00:38:40,318 --> 00:38:43,538
there was this show in Paris
and it was just mind blowing.
550
00:38:46,889 --> 00:38:48,717
The most beautiful things.
551
00:38:53,243 --> 00:38:55,463
And all the spot shirts and
552
00:38:56,421 --> 00:38:57,813
it was unlike anything else.
553
00:39:01,208 --> 00:39:03,384
it was so, really
being part of that
554
00:39:03,428 --> 00:39:06,169
you really felt like
you were at the,
555
00:39:06,213 --> 00:39:07,388
you know it was
something germinating
556
00:39:07,432 --> 00:39:09,259
and it just kept on and on.
557
00:39:10,652 --> 00:39:12,741
And yes it was wonderful.
558
00:40:10,495 --> 00:40:11,452
- Carlo had got a couple of
559
00:40:11,496 --> 00:40:13,149
really good
opportunities for me,
560
00:40:13,193 --> 00:40:15,369
but they were
destroyed by Malcolm,
561
00:40:15,413 --> 00:40:18,590
saying, you can't work with
this woman, she's my partner.
562
00:40:18,633 --> 00:40:22,028
Your agreement with
her is totally rubbish.
563
00:40:22,071 --> 00:40:24,204
You're wasting your
money, you know,
564
00:40:24,247 --> 00:40:26,336
I'm going to take you to court.
565
00:40:26,380 --> 00:40:30,079
It was that, I'd
forgotten Malcolm by then.
566
00:40:41,830 --> 00:40:44,180
- When those things
fell through,
567
00:40:44,224 --> 00:40:46,618
I found myself back in England,
568
00:40:46,661 --> 00:40:50,752
and at that point I had to
go and get social security,
569
00:40:50,796 --> 00:40:52,275
I didn't have any money at all.
570
00:40:55,104 --> 00:40:58,499
- I think we got a loan
from my grandmother,
571
00:40:58,543 --> 00:40:59,935
Vivienne's mother Dora,
572
00:41:01,241 --> 00:41:03,939
because The World's End Shop
had just been closed for
573
00:41:04,723 --> 00:41:06,115
don't know, a year
and a half, two years,
574
00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:07,160
something like that.
575
00:41:08,857 --> 00:41:11,077
But the landlords hadn't
rented it to anybody else,
576
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,426
it was just still sitting there,
577
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:14,994
and even had a bit of stock
still left in the back.
578
00:41:16,604 --> 00:41:18,563
- My grandfather had just died,
579
00:41:18,606 --> 00:41:20,608
and my grandmother
was at a loose end,
580
00:41:20,652 --> 00:41:24,830
so she came down to
London, so this was 1985.
581
00:41:24,873 --> 00:41:27,528
She came down to London
and she worked here.
582
00:41:27,572 --> 00:41:29,138
She'd worked in
her own shop before
583
00:41:29,182 --> 00:41:31,053
so she knew what she was doing.
584
00:41:33,012 --> 00:41:36,537
- [Joe] And Vivienne also
started to make a few things
585
00:41:36,581 --> 00:41:39,497
on her old sewing machine
again, to put in the store.
586
00:41:42,195 --> 00:41:44,371
- I had a driving
license and a car,
587
00:41:44,414 --> 00:41:47,548
so I used to go and do,
pick up the rolls of fabric,
588
00:41:47,592 --> 00:41:51,552
and go to shirt-makers
and go to,
589
00:41:51,596 --> 00:41:53,772
the tailor up in Camden town.
590
00:41:55,948 --> 00:41:57,427
- And we opened the store again,
591
00:41:57,471 --> 00:41:59,125
and even when we
opened the store
592
00:41:59,168 --> 00:42:01,475
for the first three months
it had no electric in it,
593
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:03,956
because that was all cut
off and was trying to
594
00:42:03,999 --> 00:42:06,785
light the store with
candles and you know?
595
00:42:08,351 --> 00:42:12,312
- I went back to London and
then I started as her assistant.
596
00:42:12,355 --> 00:42:14,314
Malcolm would
behave really badly
597
00:42:14,357 --> 00:42:17,143
and he'd made it very
very difficult for her,
598
00:42:17,186 --> 00:42:19,362
and she just carried on working,
599
00:42:19,406 --> 00:42:21,147
she was working from her flat,
600
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:23,497
and it was just the
two of us for a while.
601
00:42:24,454 --> 00:42:28,241
Then Murray started working,
602
00:42:28,284 --> 00:42:30,373
and all sorts of people came
603
00:42:30,417 --> 00:42:32,332
but that was way before Andreas.
604
00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:38,207
- I was 23 and I was a very
young sort of 23, I guess.
605
00:42:39,469 --> 00:42:41,341
And I was so honored
to be, sort of,
606
00:42:41,384 --> 00:42:43,256
it was a big deal for me.
607
00:42:44,649 --> 00:42:45,780
It was in Camden town.
608
00:42:47,652 --> 00:42:50,611
Carlo D'Amario used
to call it Bombay.
609
00:42:50,655 --> 00:42:53,353
It was really great, it was
above an old carpet shop.
610
00:42:56,269 --> 00:43:00,012
It was really rancid,
really rickety and old,
611
00:43:00,055 --> 00:43:01,230
and I loved it.
612
00:43:03,406 --> 00:43:06,453
[soft jazz music]
613
00:43:10,370 --> 00:43:12,372
- You know the people
that were involved,
614
00:43:12,415 --> 00:43:14,766
it was as if they discovered
the meaning of life,
615
00:43:14,809 --> 00:43:16,681
and it was the meaning of life
616
00:43:16,724 --> 00:43:19,771
and it's funny how clothes
can be so emotional,
617
00:43:19,814 --> 00:43:23,470
the making of these, these
things that you put on,
618
00:43:23,513 --> 00:43:25,646
and they make you able
to face the world,
619
00:43:25,690 --> 00:43:29,171
and in a kind of you
know spectacular way.
620
00:43:45,579 --> 00:43:47,712
- I had a success to start with,
621
00:43:48,930 --> 00:43:52,455
but the way it works is
that when you are new
622
00:43:52,499 --> 00:43:54,240
and you do something new,
623
00:43:54,283 --> 00:43:55,284
then everybody's on to you,
624
00:43:55,328 --> 00:43:57,722
of they've discovered
this new thing,
625
00:43:57,765 --> 00:44:00,942
and they all want to discover
you all at the same time.
626
00:44:00,986 --> 00:44:02,988
Then, you just get left,
627
00:44:03,031 --> 00:44:05,730
and they want to know what's
the next latest thing,
628
00:44:05,773 --> 00:44:08,254
that's how the English
press treated me.
629
00:44:08,297 --> 00:44:10,386
I was always treated
well in Italy.
630
00:44:11,736 --> 00:44:14,869
- I know every time you
do a collection they say,
631
00:44:14,913 --> 00:44:18,481
crikey, Viv's blown it,
don't they? [laughter]
632
00:44:18,525 --> 00:44:20,266
They say Viv's blown it,
633
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:21,702
we don't know whether
Viv's blown it this time
634
00:44:21,746 --> 00:44:24,618
because this is the new
collection, what's it called?
635
00:44:24,662 --> 00:44:26,098
- Well I'd like to describe it,
636
00:44:26,141 --> 00:44:28,013
it's called Time Machine.
637
00:44:28,056 --> 00:44:29,667
- Time Machine, here we go.
638
00:44:31,625 --> 00:44:33,714
Tell us about this one then.
639
00:44:33,758 --> 00:44:37,718
When she started,
people mocked her.
640
00:44:37,762 --> 00:44:39,502
Are people supposed to laugh?
641
00:44:39,546 --> 00:44:41,156
I mean they're
laughing. [laughter]
642
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,507
- I remember when she was
on the Terry Wogan Show,
643
00:44:44,551 --> 00:44:47,336
everyone laughed, I mean they
didn't show the audience which
644
00:44:47,380 --> 00:44:49,948
was literally everyone
was over about 80.
645
00:44:51,340 --> 00:44:52,777
- If they don't stop laughing,
646
00:44:52,820 --> 00:44:55,083
I shall tell the next
person not to come on.
647
00:44:55,127 --> 00:44:57,303
- [Host] Oh dear,
you're not to laugh.
648
00:44:57,346 --> 00:44:59,087
Is this a winter collection?
649
00:44:59,131 --> 00:44:59,871
- Yeah,
650
00:45:02,787 --> 00:45:05,790
and I've never met
this response before.
651
00:45:05,833 --> 00:45:07,139
- It's like Vivienne
had been invited
652
00:45:07,182 --> 00:45:08,749
on the show to be a joke.
653
00:45:08,793 --> 00:45:11,752
It was like she almost
had to justify herself.
654
00:45:11,796 --> 00:45:14,799
- You design these clothes,
not because they're witty,
655
00:45:14,842 --> 00:45:17,366
but because you believe
they are attractive
656
00:45:17,410 --> 00:45:19,412
and they make people
more attractive?
657
00:45:19,455 --> 00:45:21,675
- Yeah, that's it, yeah.
658
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,329
- It was really made me furious,
659
00:45:23,372 --> 00:45:24,373
but she didn't give a fuck.
660
00:45:24,417 --> 00:45:25,810
She came out in the
end and she said,
661
00:45:25,853 --> 00:45:27,463
oh that was just the best
662
00:45:27,507 --> 00:45:29,683
reaction I've had since punk.
663
00:45:29,727 --> 00:45:32,773
- And on that note, we
haven't upset you have we?
664
00:45:32,817 --> 00:45:33,469
- No, no.
665
00:45:33,513 --> 00:45:34,819
- Not in the least.
666
00:45:34,862 --> 00:45:36,559
- Listen I don't mind, in
fact I'm quite pleased,
667
00:45:36,603 --> 00:45:38,779
but I usually don't get
that kind of reaction,
668
00:45:38,823 --> 00:45:39,954
it's a bit strange.
669
00:45:39,998 --> 00:45:40,781
- Get this reaction,
ladies and gentlemen,
670
00:45:40,825 --> 00:45:42,087
Vivienne Westwood.
671
00:45:42,130 --> 00:45:43,392
[audience applauding
and cheering]
672
00:45:43,436 --> 00:45:44,829
- But there was loads
and loads of that,
673
00:45:44,872 --> 00:45:49,181
where she was always considered
this sort of joke, you know,
674
00:45:49,224 --> 00:45:51,749
and in the end they
couldn't ignore her anymore.
675
00:45:54,403 --> 00:45:58,059
[classical orchestral music]
676
00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:24,319
- I can't remember at
what point the company
677
00:47:24,363 --> 00:47:26,974
became successful,
but eventually it did.
678
00:47:29,934 --> 00:47:33,459
I'm still not happy
with my company because
679
00:47:33,502 --> 00:47:35,678
at this point in time,
680
00:47:35,722 --> 00:47:38,725
it's actually expanded
too much for me.
681
00:47:38,768 --> 00:47:40,509
Just the stripes are wrong,
682
00:47:40,553 --> 00:47:41,684
that's why it's not fastened.
683
00:47:41,728 --> 00:47:43,991
I'm in danger of not
being able to control
684
00:47:44,035 --> 00:47:45,514
everything properly,
685
00:47:45,558 --> 00:47:50,563
and I certainly don't need to
sell anything I don't like.
686
00:47:51,956 --> 00:47:55,089
I don't know who's in charge
of this kind of thing.
687
00:47:55,133 --> 00:47:58,223
Who's going to tell the factory
that this is unacceptable,
688
00:47:58,266 --> 00:47:59,528
that's what I want to know,
689
00:47:59,572 --> 00:48:01,182
I don't even know who
is going to tell them.
690
00:48:01,226 --> 00:48:02,227
- Don't worry, I'll find out.
691
00:48:02,270 --> 00:48:03,619
- It's very lucky
we tried it on,
692
00:48:03,663 --> 00:48:06,318
otherwise nothing would
have happened with this.
693
00:48:08,537 --> 00:48:11,279
I need to reduce my product,
694
00:48:11,323 --> 00:48:13,238
and I'm having to
sort of pull it back
695
00:48:13,281 --> 00:48:15,762
and rework things all the time,
696
00:48:15,805 --> 00:48:18,373
so that nothing gets left,
697
00:48:18,417 --> 00:48:20,201
so it gets tacky or it's done
698
00:48:20,245 --> 00:48:22,595
in not a good way, or something.
699
00:48:23,901 --> 00:48:26,729
And therefore I don't want
to expand because that,
700
00:48:26,773 --> 00:48:30,733
that means I can't you
know look after the problem
701
00:48:30,777 --> 00:48:32,735
that's close to me, well enough,
702
00:48:32,779 --> 00:48:34,824
'cause I've got too many
things to deal with.
703
00:48:34,868 --> 00:48:36,739
- This is Marcia who
of course hasn't been
704
00:48:36,783 --> 00:48:37,740
introduced properly.
705
00:48:37,784 --> 00:48:39,351
- Yeah, hello Marcia, I see.
706
00:48:39,394 --> 00:48:42,658
- So she now is
responsible I've found for
707
00:48:42,702 --> 00:48:44,138
selling this collection.
708
00:48:44,182 --> 00:48:47,837
- Wait a minute Marcia, did you
sell it to Gregor yesterday?
709
00:48:47,881 --> 00:48:49,056
- Yes we did.
710
00:48:49,100 --> 00:48:50,275
- 'Cause he said you
didn't know anything,
711
00:48:50,318 --> 00:48:51,798
the person who didn't
know your name,
712
00:48:51,841 --> 00:48:54,105
but he said she
didn't understand the
collection at all,
713
00:48:54,148 --> 00:48:57,630
so that's you, so
now I've interrupted.
714
00:48:57,673 --> 00:49:00,546
What do you want
to tell me, Murray?
715
00:49:00,589 --> 00:49:02,417
- I just wanted
to introduce you.
716
00:49:02,461 --> 00:49:05,072
I mean I've been working
with Marcia today,
717
00:49:05,116 --> 00:49:06,682
she's getting a lot
more informed now.
718
00:49:06,726 --> 00:49:09,250
- Okay, and it's probably
not your fault at all,
719
00:49:09,294 --> 00:49:10,730
you know, I mean but because--
720
00:49:12,036 --> 00:49:14,995
No no, it's not just
that, it's just that
721
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:17,432
the connections aren't here.
722
00:49:17,476 --> 00:49:21,219
- The company has grown,
it has become very big
723
00:49:21,262 --> 00:49:25,179
and she can't just press a
button and undo all that.
724
00:49:25,223 --> 00:49:28,835
She's got a duty to support
the people who are here,
725
00:49:28,878 --> 00:49:30,054
who have worked for her.
726
00:49:33,361 --> 00:49:36,495
And it's very difficult to just,
727
00:49:36,538 --> 00:49:39,585
undo some of those decisions
that have been made,
728
00:49:39,628 --> 00:49:41,065
not by her, by the way.
729
00:49:42,196 --> 00:49:43,719
- You know, I
don't know anything
730
00:49:43,763 --> 00:49:46,026
about the marketing
people, as I've said,
731
00:49:46,070 --> 00:49:47,419
I don't know what they do.
732
00:49:47,462 --> 00:49:50,422
I don't know what information
they need from me.
733
00:49:50,465 --> 00:49:53,338
Maybe there should be
some way that these people
734
00:49:53,381 --> 00:49:55,253
start to understand early on
735
00:49:55,296 --> 00:49:57,429
what they're doing
with the collection.
736
00:49:57,472 --> 00:50:00,649
I'm really really you
know just so frustrated
737
00:50:00,693 --> 00:50:03,957
as to trying to find out
what the heck they're doing,
738
00:50:04,001 --> 00:50:07,091
I mean they're wandering
about doing I think, damage.
739
00:50:07,134 --> 00:50:09,832
I really don't know and
I'm still of that opinion.
740
00:50:09,876 --> 00:50:12,226
I still haven't found
out what they do.
741
00:50:12,270 --> 00:50:14,620
They explain to me ever
so patiently always
742
00:50:14,663 --> 00:50:16,361
what they do, and I come
away and I don't know
743
00:50:16,404 --> 00:50:18,363
what they've been
talking about really.
744
00:50:20,191 --> 00:50:23,672
- I think some things
were not exactly how she
745
00:50:23,716 --> 00:50:25,109
had envisaged them.
746
00:50:26,197 --> 00:50:29,069
And we are tweaking the concept,
747
00:50:29,113 --> 00:50:30,331
which is a normal thing.
748
00:50:31,898 --> 00:50:34,727
A company has to have
some kind of growth plan,
749
00:50:34,770 --> 00:50:36,685
but it's not about
world domination.
750
00:50:38,861 --> 00:50:42,039
It is about your
visibility as a brand.
751
00:50:58,925 --> 00:51:00,231
- [MC] We're honored
ma'am that you are able
752
00:51:00,274 --> 00:51:02,102
to be with us this evening,
753
00:51:02,146 --> 00:51:06,150
to present the 1990
Designer of the Year award.
754
00:51:06,193 --> 00:51:10,284
- That fashion industry was
so against her from day one,
755
00:51:10,328 --> 00:51:11,720
they never liked her,
756
00:51:11,764 --> 00:51:15,768
and they didn't like to
see her kind of come up.
757
00:51:15,811 --> 00:51:17,944
You know it was
embarrassing going to those
758
00:51:17,987 --> 00:51:20,555
fashion award things
where they kept giving out
759
00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:24,385
the Designer of the Year to
everybody else apart from her.
760
00:51:24,429 --> 00:51:26,474
- Well, the winner,
Vivienne Westwood.
761
00:51:27,736 --> 00:51:29,042
[audience cheering
and applauding]
762
00:51:29,086 --> 00:51:30,565
- [MC] Designer of the
Year couldn't have gone to
763
00:51:30,609 --> 00:51:33,742
anyone else this year other
than Vivienne Westwood.
764
00:51:33,786 --> 00:51:35,701
The designers have made
their thoughts known
765
00:51:35,744 --> 00:51:37,137
over the last couple of days,
766
00:51:37,181 --> 00:51:40,793
and the fashion press have
positively demanded it.
767
00:51:40,836 --> 00:51:42,099
- Good evening everyone.
768
00:51:46,973 --> 00:51:49,802
- I think as a designer,
she's a loose cannon really.
769
00:51:49,845 --> 00:51:52,805
Fashion needs continuity, and
an actual design philosophy,
770
00:51:52,848 --> 00:51:53,762
which I don't think she has.
771
00:51:53,806 --> 00:51:54,763
- [Interviewer] But is she good?
772
00:51:54,807 --> 00:51:56,417
- Not in my opinion, no.
773
00:51:56,461 --> 00:51:58,941
- [Joe] It just was
a joke, you know.
774
00:51:58,985 --> 00:52:01,553
And in the end they had to
give it to her twice in a row,
775
00:52:01,596 --> 00:52:04,991
because it was so fucking
embarrassing for them.
776
00:52:05,034 --> 00:52:07,602
- And it's my pleasure
to announce that
777
00:52:07,646 --> 00:52:09,126
the Designer of the Year is,
778
00:52:12,346 --> 00:52:15,175
oh dear, Vivienne Westwood.
779
00:52:15,219 --> 00:52:17,830
[audience applauding
and cheering]
780
00:52:17,873 --> 00:52:19,832
- [MC] So far no
designer has been awarded
781
00:52:19,875 --> 00:52:21,834
Designer of the
Year twice in a row,
782
00:52:21,877 --> 00:52:24,924
but Vivienne Westwood
celebrated here tonight,
783
00:52:24,967 --> 00:52:27,187
for her awesome
contribution to the British
784
00:52:27,231 --> 00:52:29,102
and international fashion arena.
785
00:52:29,146 --> 00:52:30,886
Long may they last.
786
00:52:38,677 --> 00:52:41,854
- The best thing about
winning this award
787
00:52:41,897 --> 00:52:46,598
is a personal thing, the
fact that one is appreciated.
788
00:52:49,166 --> 00:52:50,776
- It's regarded as
something of a disgrace
789
00:52:50,819 --> 00:52:52,604
in the fashion industry
that it's taken
790
00:52:52,647 --> 00:52:54,040
20 years for Vivienne Westwood
791
00:52:54,083 --> 00:52:55,824
to be given wider recognition,
792
00:52:55,868 --> 00:52:57,435
and now that she has,
793
00:52:57,478 --> 00:53:00,046
that no financial sponsors
had the courage to back her.
794
00:53:00,089 --> 00:53:03,005
- Bring it up and
perhaps above the head.
795
00:53:03,919 --> 00:53:04,920
It's nice and happy.
796
00:53:06,618 --> 00:53:10,578
- So I don't know at what
point my company was a success,
797
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:16,149
and I think what it, I
would remember when it,
798
00:53:16,193 --> 00:53:18,847
when it did become
a success it's true.
799
00:53:19,848 --> 00:53:22,721
At one point we closed
our Davis Street shop
800
00:53:22,764 --> 00:53:26,115
to give it a coat of paint
and we took a temporary shop
801
00:53:26,159 --> 00:53:27,900
in Conduit Street,
802
00:53:28,901 --> 00:53:31,469
but we really started
to make a lot of money
803
00:53:31,512 --> 00:53:34,123
because we were on the
track where people passed,
804
00:53:34,167 --> 00:53:35,603
we weren't out of the way.
805
00:53:36,909 --> 00:53:39,955
And then sales increased
and we we built it up
806
00:53:39,999 --> 00:53:42,697
from the real business of
actually selling clothes.
807
00:54:01,238 --> 00:54:02,413
- [News Reporter]
Designer and activist
808
00:54:02,456 --> 00:54:04,763
Dame Vivienne Westwood
joined Greenpeace today,
809
00:54:04,806 --> 00:54:08,070
south of the North Pole,
aboard the ship Esperanza.
810
00:54:08,114 --> 00:54:10,856
Alongside scientists,
she'll be observing
811
00:54:10,899 --> 00:54:13,946
the impact of climate change
on the arctic environment.
812
00:54:29,396 --> 00:54:33,922
- About 6 or 7 years ago
I read in The Guardian
813
00:54:33,966 --> 00:54:37,709
an article by this amazing
scientist, James Lovelock,
814
00:54:39,058 --> 00:54:41,495
and he said he thought by
the end of this century,
815
00:54:41,539 --> 00:54:42,931
the 21st century,
816
00:54:42,975 --> 00:54:46,326
he thought there would be
one billion people left.
817
00:54:52,158 --> 00:54:54,943
You know it just
shocked me so much.
818
00:54:56,945 --> 00:55:00,514
It just froze me and
I was traumatized,
819
00:55:04,431 --> 00:55:07,913
so I realized that this
environmental problem
820
00:55:07,956 --> 00:55:12,004
was of incredible
consuming urgency,
821
00:55:12,047 --> 00:55:15,181
the human race facing
mass extinction,
822
00:55:16,225 --> 00:55:17,966
and then of course the point is
823
00:55:18,010 --> 00:55:21,361
what can we do to
save ourselves?
824
00:55:26,148 --> 00:55:30,109
Throughout my life all
my motivation has been
825
00:55:30,152 --> 00:55:32,981
because I've been so upset
about what can happen
826
00:55:33,025 --> 00:55:36,333
to people in the world and
I've always been so lucky.
827
00:55:37,421 --> 00:55:40,162
So everything became
the urgent need
828
00:55:40,206 --> 00:55:41,207
to save the environment.
829
00:55:47,039 --> 00:55:50,172
- So Vivienne came down today.
830
00:55:50,216 --> 00:55:53,088
We've got this big climate
march on the 21st of September,
831
00:55:53,132 --> 00:55:55,787
I know it clashes in
with Fashion Week.
832
00:55:55,830 --> 00:55:57,005
She wants banners done.
833
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,836
The deadline is the
18th and was wondering,
834
00:56:05,318 --> 00:56:08,800
was wondering if you could
kindly let your interns help us?
835
00:56:08,843 --> 00:56:10,105
They need to be
there by the 18th.
836
00:56:10,149 --> 00:56:11,455
- [Woman] How many do you need?
837
00:56:11,498 --> 00:56:15,154
- [Woman] Ten really big
beautiful fracking banners.
838
00:56:15,197 --> 00:56:16,460
- That's quite a lot.
839
00:56:16,503 --> 00:56:17,896
- That is, that's what I
mean, I feel really bad.
840
00:56:20,072 --> 00:56:22,117
- I'm going to put
democracy shining
841
00:56:22,161 --> 00:56:24,381
over the top like rays of light,
842
00:56:26,861 --> 00:56:29,081
because we don't have
any democracy in England.
843
00:56:31,039 --> 00:56:32,867
- We have a different
approach in that she always
844
00:56:32,911 --> 00:56:35,043
likes to give it this meaning,
845
00:56:35,087 --> 00:56:40,092
and she likes when clothes
have this message, which I
846
00:56:42,964 --> 00:56:45,489
think is good or not
good I'm not sure.
847
00:56:47,229 --> 00:56:51,495
I'm sometimes bored by it but
then she shouldn't hear that.
848
00:56:52,974 --> 00:56:56,413
I'm not very much bothered
about this you know?
849
00:56:57,544 --> 00:56:59,024
It just needs to
look good and and
850
00:56:59,067 --> 00:57:02,462
and and I need to like
it and I'm happy with it.
851
00:57:08,860 --> 00:57:11,036
- She cares deeply
whether she's going to be
852
00:57:11,079 --> 00:57:12,690
able to change the world,
853
00:57:12,733 --> 00:57:14,213
to make it a better place.
854
00:57:18,347 --> 00:57:20,524
We're looking at
everything we do and trying
855
00:57:20,567 --> 00:57:24,223
to do less, but the most
sustainable thing you could do
856
00:57:24,266 --> 00:57:26,399
is shut the company
down perhaps,
857
00:57:26,443 --> 00:57:29,402
but actually of course we are
employing a lot of people and
858
00:57:29,446 --> 00:57:32,274
and it's you've got
to do it in a more
859
00:57:32,318 --> 00:57:35,234
sustainable way, that's
the answer really.
860
00:57:36,583 --> 00:57:39,630
- This is the most amazing thing
861
00:57:39,673 --> 00:57:41,632
I've ever thought of or said.
862
00:57:43,155 --> 00:57:46,245
The awful rotten financial
system is the enemy,
863
00:57:46,288 --> 00:57:47,855
it's like the hydra.
864
00:57:47,899 --> 00:57:49,161
Don't start chopping off,
865
00:57:49,204 --> 00:57:50,815
I shouldn't mention
chopping heads now
866
00:57:50,858 --> 00:57:55,297
but we've got to kill the
machine that is destroying us.
867
00:57:55,341 --> 00:57:57,256
The only way to
kill the machine,
868
00:57:57,299 --> 00:57:58,779
is to change to a green economy,
869
00:57:58,823 --> 00:58:01,260
which is a rich
economy, a fair economy,
870
00:58:01,303 --> 00:58:04,089
so if we could get
everybody to switch
871
00:58:04,132 --> 00:58:06,439
to a green energy company,
872
00:58:06,483 --> 00:58:10,269
it would be the first
step in the green economy.
873
00:58:10,312 --> 00:58:12,140
- Here, there is so many
things going on here.
874
00:58:12,184 --> 00:58:16,667
There is like meetings,
meetings, and meetings.
875
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:20,409
Company meetings, the bags
meeting, shoes meetings.
876
00:58:21,846 --> 00:58:24,544
And Vivienne she keeps
herself super-busy
877
00:58:24,588 --> 00:58:26,546
with the climate revolution
and all the appointments
878
00:58:26,590 --> 00:58:28,548
and the meetings
that she have, NGO,
879
00:58:28,592 --> 00:58:31,333
blogs, website, so--
880
00:58:31,377 --> 00:58:34,423
Maybe the collection can
be done in three days.
881
00:58:34,467 --> 00:58:36,164
- I don't know.
882
00:58:36,208 --> 00:58:37,949
Let's see how.
883
00:58:37,992 --> 00:58:40,299
- This is so
important to realize,
884
00:58:40,342 --> 00:58:45,347
to have a perspective on what
is going on on our planet.
885
00:58:46,044 --> 00:58:47,741
[crowd cheering]
886
00:58:47,785 --> 00:58:50,396
- [MC] Thank you,
Vivienne Westwood.
887
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:52,616
- To really hurry up now,
888
00:58:52,659 --> 00:58:54,226
because now to cancel it is,
889
00:58:55,009 --> 00:58:56,620
hari kari number five.
890
00:58:56,663 --> 00:58:59,144
We work on it, we
don't even look at it.
891
00:58:59,187 --> 00:59:00,580
It's not good.
892
00:59:00,624 --> 00:59:02,930
- Andreas has been
having such a hard time.
893
00:59:02,974 --> 00:59:05,585
He's so tired,
894
00:59:05,629 --> 00:59:08,240
really and he's so upset.
895
00:59:08,283 --> 00:59:11,417
Because it's just such
a hard work and he
896
00:59:11,460 --> 00:59:15,247
hasn't had much help
from me and that's
897
00:59:15,290 --> 00:59:16,988
made a big difference.
898
00:59:18,250 --> 00:59:19,599
You know we used
to do it together,
899
00:59:19,643 --> 00:59:22,167
but now I'm depending
on him to do it
900
00:59:22,210 --> 00:59:24,212
mostly on his own really,
901
00:59:24,256 --> 00:59:25,997
and it's too much for him.
902
00:59:27,215 --> 00:59:29,478
It's really terrible
anyway so he's,
903
00:59:29,522 --> 00:59:31,263
he's getting exhausted.
904
00:59:31,306 --> 00:59:36,311
- Everything, everything
I asked you was not done.
905
00:59:37,922 --> 00:59:39,358
They had no socks on.
906
00:59:39,401 --> 00:59:41,447
I don't know why people
don't go downstairs
907
00:59:41,490 --> 00:59:43,754
and get some socks
from the shop.
908
00:59:43,797 --> 00:59:45,712
I mean it's just
they're five people.
909
00:59:48,715 --> 00:59:50,021
- No, that's true
there was no socks,
910
00:59:50,064 --> 00:59:51,283
and they were all-
911
00:59:51,326 --> 00:59:52,414
- But they're downstairs.
912
00:59:56,723 --> 00:59:59,813
One flight of stair down
there are some socks.
913
01:00:01,380 --> 01:00:03,469
- But they all mix from the
gold label most of them.
914
01:00:03,512 --> 01:00:04,949
- What do you mean mixed?
915
01:00:04,992 --> 01:00:06,385
We had no socks.
916
01:00:06,428 --> 01:00:10,084
You had 10 pairs of socks
you tried all the fitting on.
917
01:00:10,128 --> 01:00:11,085
- And they were spring/summer.
918
01:00:11,129 --> 01:00:12,696
- This I don't care.
919
01:00:14,741 --> 01:00:17,004
You just need to go
downstairs in the shop
920
01:00:17,048 --> 01:00:18,179
and get the socks.
921
01:00:29,321 --> 01:00:34,326
I mean that's just thick.
922
01:00:35,501 --> 01:00:40,506
Useless.
923
01:00:41,768 --> 01:00:43,857
I do it myself next time.
924
01:00:44,728 --> 01:00:45,772
- For the socks?
925
01:00:45,816 --> 01:00:47,339
- For everything.
926
01:00:51,648 --> 01:00:53,519
Anyway, you can go.
927
01:00:53,562 --> 01:00:54,346
Do your washing.
928
01:01:00,047 --> 01:01:04,922
- Okay.
929
01:01:15,497 --> 01:01:16,629
- They're all in plastic bags.
930
01:01:16,673 --> 01:01:19,937
Everything in
see-through plastic bags.
931
01:02:30,616 --> 01:02:34,228
- You've just to think,
I've got a few seconds,
932
01:02:34,272 --> 01:02:36,448
and I'm just going
to look great,
933
01:02:36,491 --> 01:02:40,887
and in your head it should
be everybody loves me,
934
01:02:40,931 --> 01:02:44,499
and I'm for today
I'm being grown up,
935
01:02:44,543 --> 01:02:46,545
because I'm wearing
rather grown up clothes.
936
01:02:46,588 --> 01:02:48,068
- Okay.
937
01:02:48,112 --> 01:02:50,984
- And you can be a bad
child if you want as well,
938
01:02:51,028 --> 01:02:51,985
if you want.
939
01:03:02,300 --> 01:03:05,085
- You see a fashion
show and of course
940
01:03:05,129 --> 01:03:07,653
you got the make up,
you got the crazy hair,
941
01:03:09,133 --> 01:03:12,658
but at the same time, we
want to try to sell them.
942
01:03:13,615 --> 01:03:14,703
So the day after,
943
01:03:14,747 --> 01:03:17,619
we have what is that
the presentation,
944
01:03:18,882 --> 01:03:23,843
to all our managers from
London, Paris, Milan,
945
01:03:25,279 --> 01:03:27,847
LA, New York, and our
partner which they come from,
946
01:03:27,891 --> 01:03:31,590
Japan, Taiwan,
China, South Korea,
947
01:03:33,026 --> 01:03:35,724
and who else knows better
the collection than
948
01:03:35,768 --> 01:03:37,422
Vivienne and Andreas?
949
01:03:37,465 --> 01:03:38,597
Nobody else.
950
01:03:41,469 --> 01:03:42,514
- Excuse me,
951
01:03:44,037 --> 01:03:46,692
either come or go please,
952
01:03:46,735 --> 01:03:49,956
either sit down or
fuck off yourselves.
953
01:03:53,568 --> 01:03:55,135
Listen our shops,
954
01:03:57,311 --> 01:03:59,618
I decided that
955
01:04:00,488 --> 01:04:01,881
I want this company
to be one that
956
01:04:01,925 --> 01:04:05,058
sells only things that I like
957
01:04:06,277 --> 01:04:09,889
and unfortunately it's
expanded so quickly
958
01:04:09,933 --> 01:04:14,198
and I'm awfully suspicious
that our expansion
959
01:04:14,241 --> 01:04:19,159
has been based more on
quantity rather than quality.
960
01:04:19,203 --> 01:04:23,555
I don't, I'm not interested
in the money, sorry.
961
01:04:23,598 --> 01:04:26,471
And I know you are but
this is what I want,
962
01:04:26,514 --> 01:04:30,475
I want people to buy
the best that we've got
963
01:04:30,518 --> 01:04:34,218
and build their customers
and not expanding.
964
01:04:35,045 --> 01:04:36,568
Anyway so,
965
01:04:36,611 --> 01:04:38,439
that's not Andreas
is it, Andreas?
966
01:04:39,266 --> 01:04:40,920
- You continue.
967
01:04:40,964 --> 01:04:41,790
- Sorry?
968
01:04:41,834 --> 01:04:43,053
- [Andreas] You continue.
969
01:04:43,096 --> 01:04:44,968
- No no, I won't, I
was waiting for you.
970
01:04:45,011 --> 01:04:46,404
- [Andreas] But it's
not my job to speak
971
01:04:46,447 --> 01:04:48,145
in front of all these people.
972
01:04:48,188 --> 01:04:50,538
- Well I thought it was, that's
what we've been waiting for.
973
01:04:50,582 --> 01:04:53,193
Well, whose job is it then?
974
01:04:53,237 --> 01:04:55,195
- The sales people.
975
01:04:55,239 --> 01:04:56,370
- Okay.
976
01:04:56,414 --> 01:04:57,806
- I don't know where
the sales people are.
977
01:04:57,850 --> 01:05:00,592
Who sells this collection?
978
01:05:00,635 --> 01:05:03,508
- Well last season we did
it ourselves and they're
979
01:05:03,551 --> 01:05:07,033
probably expecting us to do
it again so there we are.
980
01:05:08,687 --> 01:05:11,690
Anyway, what I really
love the feeling of
981
01:05:11,733 --> 01:05:15,955
poverty about these
things, the neutral color,
982
01:05:15,999 --> 01:05:17,739
and it's not in your face
983
01:05:17,783 --> 01:05:21,091
it's just the woman.
- It's just not prepared.
984
01:05:21,134 --> 01:05:22,005
Crazy.
985
01:05:22,048 --> 01:05:24,007
- Looks absolutely great, sorry.
986
01:05:24,050 --> 01:05:28,576
Okay, so there in
the collection,
987
01:05:28,620 --> 01:05:29,708
there were one or two things
988
01:05:29,751 --> 01:05:32,754
we didn't show, because
they didn't work.
989
01:05:32,798 --> 01:05:34,843
I've just got to make
sure that we take them
990
01:05:34,887 --> 01:05:38,586
out of what's on the rails,
and in the selling book.
991
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:39,674
Anyway.
992
01:05:53,384 --> 01:05:56,865
- [Andre] She is a dress
designer, and she's an activist.
993
01:05:56,909 --> 01:05:59,303
She's passionate
about other issues
994
01:05:59,346 --> 01:06:00,957
other than just
putting a dress on.
995
01:06:02,045 --> 01:06:04,264
What I'm very surprised is,
996
01:06:04,308 --> 01:06:05,831
and I think it's the
height of elegance,
997
01:06:05,874 --> 01:06:07,920
is that on this day
998
01:06:07,964 --> 01:06:11,576
when she is opening
a store in Manhattan,
999
01:06:11,619 --> 01:06:15,058
Vivienne has chosen not
to fly across the pond,
1000
01:06:15,101 --> 01:06:17,582
and she's sitting at
home working her thesis
1001
01:06:17,625 --> 01:06:21,890
about global warming
or capitalism.
1002
01:06:21,934 --> 01:06:23,892
She's very concerned
about our planet.
1003
01:06:31,422 --> 01:06:33,685
- I'm having a rave of a time.
1004
01:06:33,728 --> 01:06:35,600
I've sorted the
whole company out.
1005
01:06:35,643 --> 01:06:38,081
I've got everybody
doing what I want.
1006
01:06:38,124 --> 01:06:40,648
The plan is we've got to
work with the designers,
1007
01:06:40,692 --> 01:06:42,085
that's what's been wrong.
1008
01:06:42,128 --> 01:06:44,826
I can't believe when
I'm looking into it,
1009
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:47,699
there's shops worldwide.
1010
01:06:47,742 --> 01:06:50,876
How many pairs of fucking
plastic shoes we sell
1011
01:06:50,919 --> 01:06:52,834
and all that stuff.
1012
01:06:52,878 --> 01:06:55,489
I can't believe it,
1013
01:06:55,533 --> 01:06:56,925
and of course I'm the designer
1014
01:06:56,969 --> 01:06:58,536
and I've got total control
1015
01:06:58,579 --> 01:07:01,060
because I cannot just say look,
1016
01:07:01,104 --> 01:07:03,628
if I don't like the design,
1017
01:07:03,671 --> 01:07:07,762
then you can't I do it if I
don't like my own designs,
1018
01:07:07,806 --> 01:07:10,722
I can't give them to you,
I've got artistic control.
1019
01:07:10,765 --> 01:07:12,071
I mean it's very very simple.
1020
01:07:13,768 --> 01:07:17,555
[dramatic orchestral music]
1021
01:07:32,222 --> 01:07:34,354
- I always wondered what
it would have looked like
1022
01:07:34,398 --> 01:07:35,703
with a black ceiling.
1023
01:07:35,747 --> 01:07:37,096
I always wanted a black ceiling.
1024
01:07:37,140 --> 01:07:38,489
Andreas won't do it.
1025
01:07:41,622 --> 01:07:45,017
I always like to try
it and see if it works.
1026
01:07:45,061 --> 01:07:46,801
Hello hello Simone.
1027
01:07:48,281 --> 01:07:50,414
I'm alright thank you.
1028
01:07:50,457 --> 01:07:52,111
I haven't made my mind
up about the shop yet,
1029
01:07:52,155 --> 01:07:53,852
I'm just only--
1030
01:07:53,895 --> 01:07:55,680
- We just love everything here.
1031
01:07:55,723 --> 01:07:57,290
- I've got to make my mind up.
1032
01:07:57,334 --> 01:08:01,860
I'm in the process of
absorbing it at the moment.
1033
01:08:03,862 --> 01:08:05,820
It must stop growing,
1034
01:08:05,864 --> 01:08:09,998
but it's very very
difficult to do that.
1035
01:08:10,042 --> 01:08:11,783
But we've been trying
to open a shop in Paris
1036
01:08:11,826 --> 01:08:12,958
for the last ten years.
1037
01:08:13,001 --> 01:08:14,916
That doesn't mean to
say we're expanding,
1038
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,136
that was in the plan before,
1039
01:08:17,180 --> 01:08:20,183
and there's no
reason to break that,
1040
01:08:20,226 --> 01:08:23,055
but then Carlo my
manager was planning
1041
01:08:23,099 --> 01:08:27,103
to open a shop in Beijing
and I've stopped that.
1042
01:08:31,933 --> 01:08:35,067
- [Pepe] She wasn't
happy design-wise,
1043
01:08:35,111 --> 01:08:36,634
even to say she hates it.
1044
01:08:37,678 --> 01:08:39,158
- I hate the music.
1045
01:08:39,202 --> 01:08:42,901
- [Pepe] It doesn't feel like
Westwood, but at the same time
1046
01:08:42,944 --> 01:08:44,946
not even Vivienne
Westwood or Andreas
1047
01:08:44,990 --> 01:08:46,557
even knows where they are now.
1048
01:08:53,041 --> 01:08:56,262
That shop, it reflect
1049
01:08:56,306 --> 01:08:58,395
maybe even the
problem we got inside,
1050
01:08:58,438 --> 01:08:59,874
because we have a problem,
1051
01:08:59,918 --> 01:09:02,964
it's like being a family
where you got the drunk aunty,
1052
01:09:03,008 --> 01:09:05,228
you got the gay uncle.
1053
01:09:05,271 --> 01:09:07,404
It go you know the crazy kids.
1054
01:09:07,447 --> 01:09:08,796
You have this big family
1055
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,059
and you can't control
them altogether,
1056
01:09:12,409 --> 01:09:14,367
but at least we're
still working on it.
1057
01:09:17,327 --> 01:09:20,634
- It's very difficult
but everything we do
1058
01:09:20,678 --> 01:09:23,289
has got to be solved
in a different way,
1059
01:09:23,333 --> 01:09:26,945
in order to slowly
get to this point and,
1060
01:09:26,988 --> 01:09:29,077
I don't know, it's, it's
really really difficult
1061
01:09:29,121 --> 01:09:32,211
to get from here to
there, that's all.
1062
01:09:32,255 --> 01:09:33,908
But we're slowly doing it.
1063
01:09:35,997 --> 01:09:37,347
- [News Reporter] The
fashion world is honored
1064
01:09:37,390 --> 01:09:39,653
with an OBE going to the
flamboyant fashion designer,
1065
01:09:39,697 --> 01:09:40,828
Vivienne Westwood.
1066
01:09:42,047 --> 01:09:43,962
- People were very
impressed by it,
1067
01:09:44,005 --> 01:09:46,094
all the people who work with me,
1068
01:09:46,138 --> 01:09:48,140
are very pleased
because they feel
1069
01:09:48,184 --> 01:09:50,360
that they share in it, really.
1070
01:09:57,018 --> 01:09:58,106
- There were a few things
1071
01:09:58,150 --> 01:09:59,934
that I thought were
milestones I suppose.
1072
01:09:59,978 --> 01:10:02,676
One one was when we bought
1073
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,375
the building for
the head office.
1074
01:10:05,418 --> 01:10:07,377
That was quite a milestone
because it felt like,
1075
01:10:07,420 --> 01:10:09,770
right, well we we
kind of own that now.
1076
01:10:11,729 --> 01:10:14,645
I decided I couldn't
work with Carlo.
1077
01:10:14,688 --> 01:10:16,951
It was had to be one
or the other of us,
1078
01:10:18,170 --> 01:10:21,086
and my mum had decided
that she needed him,
1079
01:10:22,305 --> 01:10:24,437
which hurt a bit, I but I
also felt I was young enough,
1080
01:10:24,481 --> 01:10:25,917
and I was kind of at the time
1081
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,441
when I wanted to go and do
something for myself anyway.
1082
01:10:30,095 --> 01:10:32,663
But before I left, the one
thing that I made her do,
1083
01:10:32,706 --> 01:10:36,841
was sign this license deal
with a Japanese company,
1084
01:10:36,884 --> 01:10:39,887
'cause I know the minimum
royalties on this contract,
1085
01:10:39,931 --> 01:10:41,149
she'll be okay.
1086
01:10:44,065 --> 01:10:46,894
Carlo hadn't wanted
her to sign this deal,
1087
01:10:46,938 --> 01:10:48,983
and I made her sign the deal
1088
01:10:49,027 --> 01:10:50,985
in the lawyers in front
of Carlo and everyone.
1089
01:10:51,029 --> 01:10:53,640
You've got to sign this,
and after she'd done that
1090
01:10:53,684 --> 01:10:56,034
I felt she was
gonna be all right.
1091
01:10:56,077 --> 01:10:58,036
- You're going to take this
1092
01:10:58,079 --> 01:10:59,342
and show it to Martina
at whatever stage,
1093
01:10:59,385 --> 01:11:00,647
and get that sorted out,
1094
01:11:00,691 --> 01:11:03,650
and I've got to tell
you which mesh to use.
1095
01:11:03,694 --> 01:11:05,086
There won't be any
more pleats there,
1096
01:11:05,130 --> 01:11:07,698
because this one is the
one that just comes anyway
1097
01:11:07,741 --> 01:11:10,788
in the way the fabric's cut,
there's no folding there.
1098
01:11:13,138 --> 01:11:14,357
- It's very nice.
1099
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,141
- Yeah, I think it's
going to look great,
1100
01:11:16,184 --> 01:11:18,752
just going to put
it on Kate Moss.
1101
01:11:18,796 --> 01:11:20,188
She'll look lovely in it.
1102
01:11:22,147 --> 01:11:25,324
Okay, so I'll give that to you.
1103
01:11:25,368 --> 01:11:26,194
- Thank you.
1104
01:11:28,414 --> 01:11:30,808
- Do you want to take this
corset with you, as well?
1105
01:11:30,851 --> 01:11:32,984
- And the corset as well.
1106
01:11:35,116 --> 01:11:38,294
[audience applauding]
1107
01:11:42,863 --> 01:11:45,475
- Those shows, they
were so outrageous,
1108
01:11:45,518 --> 01:11:47,346
you know champaign was flowing,
1109
01:11:48,565 --> 01:11:51,568
and we'd go out naked
and lollipops and,
1110
01:11:52,699 --> 01:11:56,050
you know, just
outrageous, but really
1111
01:11:56,094 --> 01:11:57,617
glamorous at the same time.
1112
01:11:57,661 --> 01:11:58,662
They were the ones that went,
1113
01:11:58,705 --> 01:12:01,055
ah oh my God, it
was so exciting.
1114
01:12:08,498 --> 01:12:09,716
- That's part of my history,
1115
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:11,849
which is fun, I've
got the shoes.
1116
01:12:11,892 --> 01:12:14,025
There was a pair in
the museum in London.
1117
01:12:15,548 --> 01:12:18,421
I got an insurance
commercial out of it.
1118
01:12:18,464 --> 01:12:21,337
You know, it's done well
for Vivienne and I, both.
1119
01:12:26,298 --> 01:12:27,821
- She's a rebel isn't she so,
1120
01:12:28,735 --> 01:12:30,346
which attracts me.
1121
01:12:31,912 --> 01:12:33,740
Coming from Croydon,
we wanted to get out
1122
01:12:33,784 --> 01:12:36,090
and she was like our queen.
1123
01:12:38,615 --> 01:12:41,487
[crowd cheering]
1124
01:12:41,531 --> 01:12:44,403
[Ravel's "Bolero"]
1125
01:13:23,137 --> 01:13:27,707
- Provocative,
beautiful, respectful.
1126
01:13:29,056 --> 01:13:31,450
It's hard to imagine
that one designer
1127
01:13:31,494 --> 01:13:34,888
could be all of those things.
1128
01:13:37,674 --> 01:13:39,545
- I love her femininity,
I love everything she do,
1129
01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:43,157
and she's not so young, and
she still can wear fashion,
1130
01:13:43,201 --> 01:13:45,159
and she's never ridiculous.
1131
01:13:45,203 --> 01:13:47,074
She's one of the
only one, I think.
1132
01:13:49,163 --> 01:13:50,382
- She's iconic,
1133
01:13:50,426 --> 01:13:51,731
and she's at the
top of her game,
1134
01:13:51,775 --> 01:13:54,473
she's so authentic.
1135
01:13:54,517 --> 01:13:57,476
And you know she's on
this planet for a reason,
1136
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,913
to stir it up a little bit.
1137
01:13:59,957 --> 01:14:02,481
[crowd cheering]
1138
01:14:02,525 --> 01:14:05,441
[Ravel's "Bolero"]
1139
01:14:18,105 --> 01:14:19,193
- She's a punk rocker.
1140
01:14:20,238 --> 01:14:21,587
She's the only punk rocker.
1141
01:14:39,562 --> 01:14:41,955
- I can't be bothered.
1142
01:14:41,999 --> 01:14:43,348
Who wants to listen
to all this stuff?
1143
01:14:43,391 --> 01:14:45,524
I mean the film's
only a certain length,
1144
01:14:45,568 --> 01:14:48,309
I'm sure there's more
interesting things
to put on to it.
1145
01:14:50,616 --> 01:14:53,489
[jazz rock music]
1146
01:15:13,073 --> 01:15:13,944
- I remembered the shows,
1147
01:15:13,987 --> 01:15:16,207
but I can't remember which one,
1148
01:15:16,250 --> 01:15:17,904
and we were back
stage and she went,
1149
01:15:19,297 --> 01:15:22,126
Kate, you know I've
never been into girls,
1150
01:15:22,169 --> 01:15:23,562
I could have got into you,
1151
01:15:25,346 --> 01:15:26,347
and then like hugged me.
1152
01:15:27,827 --> 01:15:30,308
She was like, I could have
been her only lesbian lover.
1153
01:15:32,179 --> 01:15:33,224
Kaching!
1154
01:16:10,348 --> 01:16:12,611
- You know Vivienne is
very outspoken person,
1155
01:16:12,655 --> 01:16:15,614
sometimes too outspoken,
silly outspoken.
1156
01:16:18,443 --> 01:16:19,357
She knows it,
1157
01:16:21,664 --> 01:16:22,882
but you need people like this,
1158
01:16:22,926 --> 01:16:27,539
these are the people
who are changing things.
1159
01:16:28,453 --> 01:16:30,411
[jazz rock music]
1160
01:17:25,292 --> 01:17:26,250
- [Vivienne] What's his name?
1161
01:17:26,293 --> 01:17:28,165
- [Man] Tiny, Tiny Tempah.
1162
01:17:28,208 --> 01:17:29,035
- [Vivienne] Tiny Tempah?
1163
01:17:29,079 --> 01:17:31,168
- [Man] Yes.
1164
01:17:31,211 --> 01:17:34,780
- But I'm a quite
well-known musician but.
1165
01:17:34,824 --> 01:17:36,782
- Yeah, I'm sure 'cause
I just don't follow
1166
01:17:36,826 --> 01:17:38,566
pop things, you know.
- Yeah, I understand,
1167
01:17:38,610 --> 01:17:39,567
I understand.
1168
01:17:39,611 --> 01:17:41,134
- Tiny Tempah is that.
1169
01:17:41,178 --> 01:17:43,093
- Tiny Tempah, correct.
1170
01:17:45,356 --> 01:17:47,706
- [Vivienne] I'm very good
on lyrics you know and sound
1171
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:49,012
bytes and that.
1172
01:17:49,055 --> 01:17:49,839
- [Tiny] Inspiration.
1173
01:17:49,882 --> 01:17:51,797
- [Vivienne] Yes, yeah.
1174
01:17:55,496 --> 01:17:58,674
[soft orchestral music]
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