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♪♪
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[canned laughter
and applause]
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[announcer]
"One of Each" is filmed before a live studio audience.
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Honey, I'm home--
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Ah, gosh darn it!
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Every time!
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Put it with
the others, Ricky.
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[canned laughter]
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I've heard of
"pop and lock",
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but ever since
you guys adopted me,
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it's more like
"Pops endslocks."
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Oh! Oh![canned laughter]
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Trey, stop that.
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Real men don't dance.
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It's so emotional.
Yuck!
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According to my calculations,
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Trey, you didn't finish
your math homework yet.
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We're gonna be late
for Denise's pool party.
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Whatchu talkin' about,
Computer?
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Inviting a black guy
to a pool party
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is like inviting you
to a coolparty.
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[robot voice]
Does not compute. [groans]
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[ladder thuds]Actually...
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sitcoms like this one
sure love
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making jokes
about stereotypes.
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But the roots
of these stereotypes
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are no laughing matter.
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Cut![bell rings]
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What're you doing?
This is comedy gold.
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Ehh, more like
comedy lead.
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Let me bring in my own
writer and researcher
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to show you what's what.
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We got new scripts.
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Lotta changes.
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What're you talking about?
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We don't need
to change a thing.
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Are you kidding me?
Our show's terrible.
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Come on,
every sitcom
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could use
a wacky new neighbor.
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Fine, but I'm not paying
for any overtime.
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Deal!
Hi, I'm Adam Conover,
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and this is
a very special episode
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of "Adam Ruins Everything."
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♪♪
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Closed Captions Provided
by truTV
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Oh, money!
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Oh-ho![groans]
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Trey, it isn't fair.
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Guys like you are
all great at basketball.
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It's like you have a gift
for it or something.
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Oh, yeah, you know
a little gift melanin.
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[canned laughter]
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[audience whistling]Speaking of skin, Trey,
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why aren't you at
my pool party showing some?
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[audience gasping]
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Computer,
what am I gonna do?
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I can't go to a pool party,
I'm black!
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[canned laughter]
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You know black people
can't swim.
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Time out![whistle blowing]
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Boy, TV comedies like this
sure love making jokes
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about black stereotypes.
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Yeah, they're hilarious.
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Maybe to you, but these jokes
aren't so funny
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when you realize that
these stereotypes
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have a really dark history.
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Yeah, and while many Americans
know this story all too well,
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apparently some of us
still need to hear it.
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Black people don't have
some natural inability to swim.
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The truth is, for decades,
they weren't allowed to.
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Time in![whistle blowing]
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Hey, guys, you know what's
even cooler than a pool party?
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A history of pools party.
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Okay, Wack Morris.
Let's hear it.
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In the 1920s and '30s,
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the government built thousands
of new public pools.
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But they were mostly
in white neighborhoods.
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And until 1964,
Southern segregation laws
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barred black swimmers
from using them.
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No pool for you!
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[Adam]
And segregation
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wasn't just
a Southern thing.
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Cities like Pittsburgh
actively encouraged
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attacks on black swimmers,
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and looked the other way
when white citizens
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posted armed guards
at pools.
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♪♪
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[canned laughter]
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[Adam]
And when brave civil rights activists
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fought back with swim-ins,
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they were met by
angry white mobs
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who would beat them,
or even throw acid in the pools.
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Now that there's acid
in this pool,
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only I can swim in it!
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Oh, wait...
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[canned laughter]
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That really happened?
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Yep.Oh, it's [bleep] up.
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Even after desegregation,
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cities would
shut their pools down
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rather than let them integrate.
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Or they'd just let
the funding dry up
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once more black swimmers
started using the pool.
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Finally, civil rights!
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We can drink from
any water fountain we want,
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and swim in any p...
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White people are leaving.
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Pool's closed.
Shut it down!
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[canned laughter]
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This is some bullshit.
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Yep, and the result
of that bullshit
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is that swimming never became
a part of black culture.
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Today, 70% of black Americans
don't know how to swim.
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And according to the CDC,
black 11 year olds
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are ten times more
likely to drown
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than white 11 year olds.
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But that's not because
of natural ability,
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it's because of access
and opportunity.
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The same is true
of basketball.
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From the 1920s
through the '50s,
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basketball was actually
the most popular sport
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among poor Jewish people
in urban neighborhoods.
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That's because the equipment
is relatively inexpensive,
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and it doesn't require
a field.
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As a result,
in the early years of the NBA
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the league was dominated
by Jewish players.
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Shenkman!
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[canned applause]
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But many Americans made
racist assumptions
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about why Jewish people had
a "natural advantage".
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Boy, all you Jews
are good at basketball.
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It must be because of
your naturally scheming mind,
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artful dodging,
and general smart alecness.
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[canned laughter]
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Yeesh.
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As Jewish people
were permitted
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to assimilate
into white culture
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and moved out
of the inner cities,
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black people moved in
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and started playing
more basketball.
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But again, many people
assumed it was all about race.
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Wow...
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all you black people
are good at basketball.
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It must be because
of your natural advantage.
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[canned laughter]
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The reality is
your ethnic heritage
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doesn't make you inherently
good or bad at anything.
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Far more important
is access and opportunity.
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You're right, I gotta tell
Denise the truth.
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If you wanna talk
to me, Trey,
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how about we go someplace
we can be alone?
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Like the deep end?
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[audience whistling]No, no, Denise, look.
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I gotta tell you something.
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I never learned
how to swim.
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A lot of black people haven't.
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But it-- it's not because
we can't or anything.
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It's because of decades
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of violent, systemic
racial oppression.
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Oh! Trey, I had no idea.
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Maybe I should
give you a lesson.
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[canned laughter]
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It's a sitcom,
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they always have
a cheesy ending.
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Trey, no hanging out
with Denise until
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after you've finished
your math homework.
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Why can't you be
more like Computer?
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I bet he finished weeks ago.
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[canned laughter]
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Yikes, that stereotype has
a really sinister history too.
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[boing]
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My hair protected me.
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[canned laughter]
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[canned applause]
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Boy, I'm sure glad we left
the pool party, Trey.
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Math homework
is way more fun!
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Computer,
that's the first thing
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you've ever said
that doesn'tadd up.
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[canned laughter]
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You're so studious, Computer.
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Trey, you could learn
a thing or two from his people.
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They're very wise.
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[canned laughter]
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Whoa, time out![whistle blowing]
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Here we go again!
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TV and movies are rampant
with Asian stereotypes.
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Especially the idea
that Asian people
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are some kind
of "model minority."
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Smart, successful, polite,
obedient, and of course,
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inherently good at math.
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What's the big deal?
Those are all compliments.
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Well, these "compliments"
actually originated
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in a government
propaganda campaign.
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And not too long ago,
white Americans
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actually thought
the exact opposite.
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Time in![whistle blowing]
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In the mid-1800s,
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Americans were so hostile
to Chinese people,
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the country passed laws
banning Chinese immigration
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and denying their freedoms.
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They were stereotyped
as a lazy, opium-addicted,
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menacing horde dubbed
the "yellow peril."
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[guitar riff]But you're old Uncle Sammy
didn't stop there.
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Uncle Sammy!
Uncle Sammy!
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[canned applause][Adam]
Yeah, Uncle Sammy
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hasn't been
such a cool uncle.
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Because of anti-Asian racism
during World War II,
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the United States interned
Japanese Americans
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in concentration camps.
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Hey, it's our Japanese friend
Kenji from up the street!
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Oh, that's not
your friend.
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That's a spy who wants
to kill Americans.
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[canned laughter]
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Uncle Sammy,
why didn't you do that
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to German Americans
in World War II?
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Yeah, I wonder...
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Because they're white.Because they're white.
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But all that changed
when the US needed
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to suck up to its Asian allies
during the Cold War.
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See, as the Soviet Union
rose to power,
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the US worried that
Soviet propaganda
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was making communism
sound "dyno-mite".
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[Russian accent]
America is so racist, am I right?
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It's like, hey, USA,
cut it out!
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Woof.
Guess I better
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"have mercy"
on these Asians.
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So America embarked
on a propaganda campaign
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to tout Asian American
success stories.
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The State Department
highlighted
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Asian-American
artists, politicians,
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and even sent
an all Chinese-American
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basketball team
on tour overseas.
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Forget all that
nastiness earlier,
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America loves our
Asian sports heroes.
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And in 1965,
Congress approved
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a landmark
immigration law
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that ditched
racist restrictions.
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But it gave preference
to immigrants
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who had training,
talent, or skill sets
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that would benefit
the US economy.
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[speaker feedback]
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Sammy and The Rippers
are changing their tune.
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Border's now open
for smart, successful
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Asian immigrants.[guitar riff]
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Wow! Now that I've let
all these educated,
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successful Asians
into America,
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I've gotta say,
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Asian-Americans sure are
successful and educated.
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[wild guitar riff][canned laughter]
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So American went
from a country
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that despised Asians
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to one that held them up
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as a shining example
of assimilation.
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And this self-fulfilling
prophecy resulted
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in the "model minority" myth.
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And the most sinister part
of this myth is
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it was used to put
other minorities down.
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And it's still holding
people back today.
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Oh, it's our very special
guest star,
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professor of history
at Indiana University
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Ellen Wu.[canned applause]
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Why did I need to use
the ladder, Adam?
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Aren't we on
the ground floor?
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It's a sitcom thing.
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In the 1960s,
government officials
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looked at socio-economic data
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from African American
communities
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and contrasted it
to the so-called
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"family values and stability"
of Asian Americans.
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Now, this fueled
racist claims
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that black people had
no one to blame but themselves
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if they experienced poverty
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and other social
disadvantages.
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Conservatives went on
to use these claims
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to justify making cuts
to many essential
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social programs
for African Americans
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and other disadvantaged
minority groups.
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They were even used to argue
against civil rights.
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Come on, you don't see
Computer complaining
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about "fair and equal
protection".
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Asians earned their place
in this country.
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Why can't you?
Wh-- what? No!
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Uncle Sammy,
you helped Asian people.
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Why can't you see that?
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And the model minority myth
hurts Asian people too.
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If an Asian American student
is struggling in school,
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many teachers assume that they
don't really need extra help.
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And it's not true
that all Asians
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are crazy rich
and successful.
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The poverty rate
for Asian Americans
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is actually higher than
the national average.
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And frankly,
it's kinda ridiculous
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that we lump people
from so many different
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backgrounds together
as "Asian."
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Yeah, Asian people
are not a monolith.
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Trey, you and your
multi-ethnic adopted parents
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keep referring to me as your
"smart Asian neighbor."
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Specifically,
I am Korean American
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and, sure, I'm smart,
300
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but I also love
Ultimate Frisbee.
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Why doesn't anybody
talk about that?
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[canned applause]
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You know what?
This is messed up.
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Computer's a person
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who contains multitudes,
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and probably
has a real name.
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You know what, Uncle Sammy?
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This is all your fault.
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Get out of my room.Whoa, watch the hair!
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[canned laughter
and applause]
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Aww, wipe your tears,
you sissy.
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Good for you two.
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About time you found
your cajones
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and stood up
for yourselves like real men.
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Oh, Rick, we have gotta
discuss that stereotype...
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[canned laughter]
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00:11:40,769 --> 00:11:42,598
[choking]
Before it's too late!
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♪♪
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Are you sure you don't want
help fixing the doorknob, Rick?
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[scoffing]
Real man like Rick
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can fix his own knob.
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You worry about
fixing dinner.
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[canned laughter][man cackling]
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Pork Chop!
Great to see you, buddy.
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[grunting]
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[both chuckling]
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00:12:03,101 --> 00:12:05,414
Ah, you all ready
for the annual big hang
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in your garage, Rick?
329
00:12:07,002 --> 00:12:09,073
Oh, I can't wait to tell you
all about my motorcycle.
330
00:12:09,107 --> 00:12:11,247
Nothing about it
is different from last time.
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00:12:11,282 --> 00:12:12,421
Heck yeah!
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00:12:12,455 --> 00:12:13,905
Knockin' bottles
of beer down...
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00:12:13,940 --> 00:12:15,596
and bottling
our emotions up!
334
00:12:15,631 --> 00:12:16,943
[men laughing]
335
00:12:16,977 --> 00:12:18,082
Sorry Mr. Chop,
336
00:12:18,116 --> 00:12:20,809
but the hard-living,
emotion-stifling version
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of manliness promoted
by sitcoms like yours
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is actually
making men weaker.
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According to
the most recent data,
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the average American man dies
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five years earlier
than women.
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[Rick]
Aw, that's just biology.
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Men's bodies get worn out
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from carrying around muscles
all day long. Yeah!
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Wrong again.
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Men are 3.9 times
more likely
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to experience
accidental death,
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the leading causes
of which are behaviors
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typically celebrated
as "masculine",
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like drinking
and careless driving.
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All right!
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00:12:53,186 --> 00:12:54,359
Drinking lots,
driving fast,
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and dying young!
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00:12:55,740 --> 00:12:57,535
That's what being a man's
all about, right, Rick?
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00:12:57,569 --> 00:12:58,847
[canned laughter][Adam]
Yeah...
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that's what advertisers
would like you to think.
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Alcohol and cigarette ads
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disproportionately
target men with the idea
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that drinking and smoking
are "manly."
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00:13:09,133 --> 00:13:10,928
[deep voice]
After a long, manly day
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at my hard, manly job,
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00:13:13,137 --> 00:13:14,863
I like to watch football...[men grunting]
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crack some beers...[can opening]
364
00:13:16,381 --> 00:13:19,005
and smoke these cancer sticks.
365
00:13:19,039 --> 00:13:22,802
[announcer]
He's the most manipulative man in the world.
366
00:13:22,836 --> 00:13:23,733
[scoffing]
Oh, come on!
367
00:13:23,768 --> 00:13:25,666
Men aren't being
manipulated
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to do anything.
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00:13:27,358 --> 00:13:28,704
[canned laughter]
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00:13:28,738 --> 00:13:30,844
And men's health
is also at higher risk
371
00:13:30,879 --> 00:13:32,881
because of what
we're conditioned notto do,
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like take care of ourselves with
regular doctors visits.
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00:13:35,607 --> 00:13:37,955
[doorbell rings]House call, Rick.
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Did you know men
are twice as likely as women
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to wait over two years
between doctor's visits?
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00:13:45,203 --> 00:13:47,171
[canned laughter]
377
00:13:47,205 --> 00:13:49,518
[scoffing]
Last time I saw a doctor,
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00:13:49,552 --> 00:13:51,347
he was pulling me out
of my mom's "hoo-ha."
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00:13:51,382 --> 00:13:53,073
[Pork Chop laughing]
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00:13:53,108 --> 00:13:56,214
And how 'bout this,
Mr. "GQ"?
381
00:13:56,249 --> 00:13:58,838
That's an insult because
you're wearing fancy pants.
382
00:13:58,872 --> 00:14:01,185
You ever think that maybe men
are dying earlier
383
00:14:01,219 --> 00:14:02,358
because we're so stressed out
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00:14:02,393 --> 00:14:04,188
from having to support
our families?
385
00:14:04,222 --> 00:14:05,603
Yeah, I'm under
a lot of pressure
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00:14:05,637 --> 00:14:07,087
working full-time
at the tool store
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00:14:07,122 --> 00:14:08,986
to feed a multi-cultural
family of three
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plus our smart Asian neighbor.[Adam]
That's understandable.
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00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:13,887
Being the sole breadwinner
for a family
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00:14:13,922 --> 00:14:16,027
would take a toll on anyone,
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00:14:16,062 --> 00:14:19,065
which may be why studies
have shown men fare better
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physically and mentally
when the financial
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00:14:21,377 --> 00:14:24,622
and caretaking responsibilities
in a relationship are shared.
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00:14:24,656 --> 00:14:27,245
Rick, the tool store says
they need you to come in.
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00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,730
But you worked all week,
how about I go down there?
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00:14:29,765 --> 00:14:31,422
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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00:14:31,456 --> 00:14:32,872
You better watch out
there, Rick.
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00:14:32,906 --> 00:14:36,047
Lettin' your wife work
is gonna destroy your marriage.
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00:14:36,082 --> 00:14:37,877
[high-pitched voice]
"Not tonight, honey.
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00:14:37,911 --> 00:14:40,396
I'm too focused
on my career."
401
00:14:40,431 --> 00:14:41,881
[canned laughter]
402
00:14:41,915 --> 00:14:43,572
Pork Chop,
that's not true at all.
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00:14:43,606 --> 00:14:45,263
Studies show that on average,
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00:14:45,298 --> 00:14:46,816
couples with
a female breadwinner
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00:14:46,851 --> 00:14:48,404
actually report
being happier.
406
00:14:48,439 --> 00:14:49,958
I don't know.
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00:14:49,992 --> 00:14:52,270
If I wasn't the one
putting food on my table,
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00:14:52,305 --> 00:14:54,548
I'd feel I let
my family down or something.
409
00:14:54,583 --> 00:14:56,585
Or I'd worry
they'd think that.
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00:14:56,619 --> 00:14:57,931
[sighs]
Well...
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00:14:57,966 --> 00:15:00,485
I think a lot of men
feel that way, Rick.
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Men and women are under
such intense pressure
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00:15:02,971 --> 00:15:05,490
to conform to
the stereotypical gender roles,
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00:15:05,525 --> 00:15:07,561
it's natural to have
conflicted feelings
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00:15:07,596 --> 00:15:08,908
about deviating from them.
416
00:15:08,942 --> 00:15:11,738
Oh, here we go
with the feelings talk.
417
00:15:11,772 --> 00:15:14,154
Next he's gonna say
men need pedicures
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00:15:14,189 --> 00:15:15,949
and book clubs.[canned laughter]
419
00:15:15,984 --> 00:15:17,399
I mean, why not?
420
00:15:17,433 --> 00:15:19,815
Don't men deserve
to take time for ourselves
421
00:15:19,849 --> 00:15:21,679
and have meaningful
friendships?
422
00:15:21,713 --> 00:15:24,613
Yeah, of course.Well, studies show
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00:15:24,647 --> 00:15:26,132
that boys feel pressure
to abandon
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00:15:26,166 --> 00:15:28,444
intimate male friendships
as they get older
425
00:15:28,479 --> 00:15:29,963
because they grow
self conscious that
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00:15:29,998 --> 00:15:32,448
that's not how men
are supposed to behave.
427
00:15:32,483 --> 00:15:34,105
Nah, not me and Pork Chop.
428
00:15:34,140 --> 00:15:35,865
We've been
best friends forever.
429
00:15:35,900 --> 00:15:37,281
[Adam]
Aw, look at that.
430
00:15:37,315 --> 00:15:39,490
You two literally
grew apart.
431
00:15:39,524 --> 00:15:42,493
Whoa, you don't wanna let
anyone ever know
432
00:15:42,527 --> 00:15:44,771
that you once hugged
another man, okay?
433
00:15:44,805 --> 00:15:46,117
That is weird.
434
00:15:46,152 --> 00:15:48,844
Pork Chop, despite the fact
that we socialize men
435
00:15:48,878 --> 00:15:52,123
to reject intimacy,
men need close friendships.
436
00:15:52,158 --> 00:15:53,642
We all do!
437
00:15:53,676 --> 00:15:55,023
Whoa!
438
00:15:55,057 --> 00:15:56,817
Loneliness is as bad
for your health
439
00:15:56,852 --> 00:15:59,372
as smoking
15 cigarettes a day.
440
00:15:59,406 --> 00:16:01,339
And having strong
social connections
441
00:16:01,374 --> 00:16:03,790
is just as important
for reducing heart disease
442
00:16:03,824 --> 00:16:05,654
as eating right
and exercising.
443
00:16:05,688 --> 00:16:07,345
But despite that,
444
00:16:07,380 --> 00:16:09,175
just 9% of men
report feeling
445
00:16:09,209 --> 00:16:11,832
that they can rely
on friends for support.
446
00:16:11,867 --> 00:16:14,214
Pork Chop, we gotta start
opening up to each other
447
00:16:14,249 --> 00:16:16,147
before our bodies
start breaking down.
448
00:16:16,182 --> 00:16:18,701
[scoffing]
No way. I'm outta here.
449
00:16:18,736 --> 00:16:20,531
[audience gasping]
450
00:16:20,565 --> 00:16:22,326
Uh, Chop?
451
00:16:23,672 --> 00:16:26,882
Oh, I guess those are
my stifled feelings coming out.
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00:16:26,916 --> 00:16:28,332
[canned laughter]
453
00:16:28,366 --> 00:16:30,092
[retching]
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00:16:31,714 --> 00:16:33,475
[audience gasping]
455
00:16:33,509 --> 00:16:35,028
What's happening to him?
456
00:16:35,063 --> 00:16:37,513
Don't worry, guys,
I see this all the time.
457
00:16:37,548 --> 00:16:40,171
Hey, that's former
NFL cornerback Wade Davis.
458
00:16:40,206 --> 00:16:41,724
I wanna teach you both a term
459
00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:43,519
that really captures what
we're talking about here.
460
00:16:43,554 --> 00:16:45,349
"Toxic masculinity."
461
00:16:45,383 --> 00:16:47,075
Toxic masculinity
doesn't mean that
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00:16:47,109 --> 00:16:49,249
there's anything wrong
with being a man.
463
00:16:49,284 --> 00:16:52,356
It's about the narrow
expectations of masculinity
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00:16:52,390 --> 00:16:54,220
that society places on us
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00:16:54,254 --> 00:16:56,532
and that we place
on ourselves.
466
00:16:56,567 --> 00:16:59,570
These expectations
negatively impact men,
467
00:16:59,604 --> 00:17:02,883
our partners, our kids,
everyone around us.
468
00:17:02,918 --> 00:17:05,334
Many experts believe
that toxic masculinity
469
00:17:05,369 --> 00:17:06,715
is one of the root causes
470
00:17:06,749 --> 00:17:08,613
when men are psychologically
aggressive
471
00:17:08,648 --> 00:17:10,546
or commit domestic violence,
472
00:17:10,581 --> 00:17:13,515
sexual assault,
or even mass shootings.
473
00:17:13,549 --> 00:17:15,586
Plus, having
to "act like a man"
474
00:17:15,620 --> 00:17:17,726
all the time is just
so restrictive.
475
00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,384
We were all brought up
believing that the only way
476
00:17:20,418 --> 00:17:23,387
to be a real man is
to live out this stereotype,
477
00:17:23,421 --> 00:17:24,905
but it's not true.
478
00:17:24,940 --> 00:17:26,597
There are so many
different ways
479
00:17:26,631 --> 00:17:29,117
for us to be men
if we choose to be.
480
00:17:29,151 --> 00:17:31,912
But you make it
sound so easy.
481
00:17:31,947 --> 00:17:34,605
Well, Rick, I don't think
it's easy for anyone.
482
00:17:34,639 --> 00:17:36,193
It definitely wasn't for me.
483
00:17:36,227 --> 00:17:38,091
But one thing
that men can do
484
00:17:38,126 --> 00:17:40,369
is start reflecting on where
these ideas of manhood
485
00:17:40,404 --> 00:17:41,715
even come from.
486
00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:43,476
Personally,
I learned a lot
487
00:17:43,510 --> 00:17:45,409
by reading and listening
to women.
488
00:17:45,443 --> 00:17:47,480
And I have to add
I couldn't have
489
00:17:47,514 --> 00:17:49,102
thought through these issues
without the help
490
00:17:49,137 --> 00:17:51,104
of the women
who work on our show.
491
00:17:51,139 --> 00:17:53,934
[canned applause]
492
00:17:53,969 --> 00:17:55,384
And none of us are perfect.
493
00:17:55,419 --> 00:17:56,765
It takes a lot of work
494
00:17:56,799 --> 00:17:58,594
to unlearn how
you've been socialized.
495
00:17:58,629 --> 00:18:00,803
But there's actually
a lot of strength
496
00:18:00,838 --> 00:18:02,426
in being vulnerable.
497
00:18:02,460 --> 00:18:04,773
If we can model
that vulnerability
498
00:18:04,807 --> 00:18:06,809
and hold each other
accountable
499
00:18:06,844 --> 00:18:10,123
when we see other men
performing hurtful behavior,
500
00:18:10,158 --> 00:18:12,229
that's how we can take
the first step.
501
00:18:12,263 --> 00:18:14,507
You're right.
502
00:18:14,541 --> 00:18:16,129
Pork Chop,
I don't think
503
00:18:16,164 --> 00:18:18,649
the cracks you've been making
about Carmen are appropriate.
504
00:18:18,683 --> 00:18:20,237
And I think you should
start examining
505
00:18:20,271 --> 00:18:22,618
why you think it's okay
to say things like that.
506
00:18:22,653 --> 00:18:26,277
[nervous chuckling]
I don't know.
507
00:18:26,312 --> 00:18:28,762
I guess I owe her
an apology.
508
00:18:28,797 --> 00:18:31,248
You too.
509
00:18:31,282 --> 00:18:32,801
I'm sorry, Rick.
510
00:18:34,458 --> 00:18:36,874
I'm sorry, Carmen.
511
00:18:36,908 --> 00:18:39,463
Rick, I hope you
haven't felt like
512
00:18:39,497 --> 00:18:42,155
you have to be some big,
strong, tough guy for me.
513
00:18:42,190 --> 00:18:43,812
No, Carmen,
it's not you.
514
00:18:43,846 --> 00:18:45,469
It's... everything.
515
00:18:45,503 --> 00:18:47,264
After I take Chop
to the hospital,
516
00:18:47,298 --> 00:18:49,645
I could do a few loads
of laundry.Yeah.
517
00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,165
'Cause we're all in this
together.
518
00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,547
[canned applause]
519
00:18:54,581 --> 00:18:56,549
[muffled]
I love you, Rick.
520
00:18:56,583 --> 00:18:58,171
Okay, that's enough.[bell ringing]
521
00:18:58,206 --> 00:19:00,000
This is terrible,
you ruined the show.
522
00:19:00,035 --> 00:19:02,175
Actually, this is gonna
make your show better.
523
00:19:02,210 --> 00:19:03,556
Let's just finish the sc--
524
00:19:03,590 --> 00:19:05,834
♪♪
525
00:19:05,868 --> 00:19:06,973
Wade, thank you so much
526
00:19:07,007 --> 00:19:09,182
for being on our sitcom,
we really appreciate it.
527
00:19:09,217 --> 00:19:10,908
We're family, brother.
Thank you for having me.
528
00:19:10,942 --> 00:19:12,565
You're the perfect person
to talk to us about this,
529
00:19:12,599 --> 00:19:14,808
because you used to play
for the NFL.
530
00:19:14,843 --> 00:19:16,500
But now you're known for
your work on race,
531
00:19:16,534 --> 00:19:18,536
gender, toxic masculinity.
532
00:19:18,571 --> 00:19:20,745
So you've talked a lot
about how feminist books
533
00:19:20,780 --> 00:19:23,852
are what helped you begin to
reexamine gender roles.
534
00:19:23,886 --> 00:19:25,094
If I wanted to read
535
00:19:25,129 --> 00:19:26,820
one of those books now,
what should I start with?
536
00:19:26,855 --> 00:19:28,684
So if there's one book,
537
00:19:28,719 --> 00:19:30,099
read this bell hooks book:
538
00:19:30,134 --> 00:19:32,032
"Feminist Theory:
From Margin to Center".
539
00:19:32,067 --> 00:19:34,828
So what I learned was that
the root of homophobia
540
00:19:34,863 --> 00:19:37,555
was sexism, and that changed
my entire life.
541
00:19:37,590 --> 00:19:40,213
I was like, "Wow, everything
that I've thought
542
00:19:40,248 --> 00:19:42,595
that was about men was
actually about women."
543
00:19:42,629 --> 00:19:46,875
When we're calling other men
sexist or homophobic terms,
544
00:19:46,909 --> 00:19:48,877
we're really talking
about women.
545
00:19:48,911 --> 00:19:50,361
But when we're doing that,
546
00:19:50,396 --> 00:19:52,674
we're unnecessarily limiting
547
00:19:52,708 --> 00:19:55,055
the range of things
that men can be.
548
00:19:55,090 --> 00:19:57,713
Yeah, and you also
always put a woman
549
00:19:57,748 --> 00:20:01,061
or "acting like a woman"
in the pejorative sense, right?
550
00:20:01,096 --> 00:20:03,132
[Adam]
Yeah.If I do anything
551
00:20:03,167 --> 00:20:04,962
that can be perceived
as feminine
552
00:20:04,996 --> 00:20:07,102
or perceived that women do,
553
00:20:07,136 --> 00:20:09,622
that it is a negative,
awful thing.
554
00:20:09,656 --> 00:20:13,384
And then that makes
men specifically only have
555
00:20:13,419 --> 00:20:17,077
a very tiny window of how
we can show up in the world.
556
00:20:17,112 --> 00:20:20,288
And that feels suffocating.
557
00:20:20,322 --> 00:20:22,738
How can men get over that
and start having
558
00:20:22,773 --> 00:20:24,602
real conversations
with each other?
559
00:20:24,637 --> 00:20:26,570
The number one thing
I tell men to do
560
00:20:26,604 --> 00:20:28,917
is just be honest
with themselves first, right?
561
00:20:28,951 --> 00:20:31,299
I could never be honest
with you, Adam,
562
00:20:31,333 --> 00:20:34,094
as another human being
if I'm never honest
563
00:20:34,129 --> 00:20:35,579
with myself first, right?
564
00:20:35,613 --> 00:20:37,374
I think when it comes
to gender equality,
565
00:20:37,408 --> 00:20:40,480
we have to own the fact
that we have been socialized
566
00:20:40,515 --> 00:20:42,551
to believe certain things
about women
567
00:20:42,586 --> 00:20:44,967
which impacts what
we think about gay men,
568
00:20:45,002 --> 00:20:46,383
about trans folks, right?
569
00:20:46,417 --> 00:20:49,282
Like, can we actually learn
about people who aren't like us
570
00:20:49,317 --> 00:20:51,595
and then we immediately learn
about ourselves.
571
00:20:51,629 --> 00:20:53,113
Well, I'm really appreciative
that you're out there
572
00:20:53,148 --> 00:20:54,598
talking about it
and helping
573
00:20:54,632 --> 00:20:56,151
widen people's
perspectives on this.
574
00:20:56,185 --> 00:20:58,084
You've widened mine,
and, uh, yeah,
575
00:20:58,118 --> 00:20:59,603
thank you so much
for coming on the show.Thank you for having me.
576
00:21:02,019 --> 00:21:03,848
Gee, it seems likefor having me.
577
00:21:03,883 --> 00:21:05,988
we've all been feeling
boxed in by stereotypes.
578
00:21:06,023 --> 00:21:07,783
Yeah. You know,
maybe it's time
579
00:21:07,818 --> 00:21:09,302
that we stopped looking
at ourselves
580
00:21:09,337 --> 00:21:10,821
as "one of each"
581
00:21:10,855 --> 00:21:13,099
and more like a group
of individuals
582
00:21:13,133 --> 00:21:15,170
who refuse to be reduced
by their racial
583
00:21:15,204 --> 00:21:16,585
and gender stereotypes.
584
00:21:16,620 --> 00:21:18,794
That we're created by
cultural and historical forces
585
00:21:18,829 --> 00:21:20,486
way beyond our control.
586
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,142
Kind of like
this very sitcom.
587
00:21:22,177 --> 00:21:23,799
[audience applauding]
588
00:21:23,834 --> 00:21:24,973
This script is awful.
589
00:21:25,007 --> 00:21:26,595
You took the funny
out of these characters
590
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:29,322
and you spent the whole episode
deconstructing them.
591
00:21:29,357 --> 00:21:31,462
And you completely
de-spiced my spicy Latina.
592
00:21:31,497 --> 00:21:32,877
Oh, yeah, that's
a whole stereotype
593
00:21:32,912 --> 00:21:34,845
we didn't even have time
to get into.
594
00:21:34,879 --> 00:21:36,985
Man, this 21-minute
runtime is restrictive.
595
00:21:37,019 --> 00:21:38,469
Ehh, I was just happy
to get to put down
596
00:21:38,504 --> 00:21:39,884
the maracas
for one episode.
597
00:21:39,919 --> 00:21:42,162
Oh, jeez, everyone's
so sensitive these days.
598
00:21:42,197 --> 00:21:43,681
Comedy doesn't need to change.
599
00:21:43,716 --> 00:21:44,855
Funny is funny.
600
00:21:44,889 --> 00:21:47,306
Actually, comedy can
and should evolve
601
00:21:47,340 --> 00:21:49,963
with our culture,
and it has many times.
602
00:21:49,998 --> 00:21:53,484
Like today, we know that
blackface isn't funny.
603
00:21:53,519 --> 00:21:55,486
But it used to be so popular,
604
00:21:55,521 --> 00:21:58,317
even megastars like
Bob Hope, Mae West,
605
00:21:58,351 --> 00:22:00,042
and Judy Garland did it.
606
00:22:00,077 --> 00:22:02,010
Oh, I had the most
marvelous dream.
607
00:22:02,044 --> 00:22:04,392
You were there,
and you, and you,
608
00:22:04,426 --> 00:22:06,497
and we were all in blackface.
609
00:22:06,532 --> 00:22:09,362
And in retrospect,
that was terrible.
610
00:22:09,397 --> 00:22:11,882
So you're saying people
realized it was hurtful,
611
00:22:11,916 --> 00:22:14,194
they stopped doing it,
and comedy survived?
612
00:22:14,229 --> 00:22:17,577
Well, not everybody stopped.
613
00:22:17,612 --> 00:22:20,200
Look, the jokes
we choose to tell
614
00:22:20,235 --> 00:22:21,719
and the characters we write
615
00:22:21,754 --> 00:22:23,825
don't just reflect
our cultural values,
616
00:22:23,859 --> 00:22:26,862
they have the power
to influence them too.
617
00:22:26,897 --> 00:22:29,865
So what do you want
the audience to see
618
00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:31,246
when they watch your show?
619
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,869
Tired, old,
reductive clichés,
620
00:22:33,904 --> 00:22:36,941
or themselves
as they really are?
621
00:22:36,976 --> 00:22:38,840
[triumphant music]
622
00:22:38,874 --> 00:22:40,876
♪♪
623
00:22:43,741 --> 00:22:44,915
Nah, I'll just cancel it.
624
00:22:44,949 --> 00:22:46,226
[bell ringing]
625
00:22:46,261 --> 00:22:47,538
I told you.
626
00:22:47,573 --> 00:22:50,127
[power shutting down]
627
00:22:50,161 --> 00:22:51,991
[bleep] you, man.
I'm out of a job now.
628
00:22:53,441 --> 00:22:55,270
S... sorry, everybody.
629
00:22:58,722 --> 00:23:01,414
This set is pretty cool,
isn't it?I love it.
630
00:23:01,449 --> 00:23:04,106
W-- do you think this
is an authentic set
631
00:23:04,141 --> 00:23:06,385
to a teenage boy?
632
00:23:06,419 --> 00:23:07,696
Do I?
Yeah.
633
00:23:07,731 --> 00:23:09,249
Well, I have pre-teen boys,
634
00:23:09,284 --> 00:23:11,562
um, and their room
is a lot messier.
635
00:23:11,597 --> 00:23:13,771
[laughing]So this is actually
pretty tidy.
636
00:23:13,806 --> 00:23:15,946
This is like-- this is like
a sitcom boys room, I think.
637
00:23:15,980 --> 00:23:18,155
Um, well, so
the model minority myth
638
00:23:18,189 --> 00:23:19,915
is kind of a specific
stereotype that's--
639
00:23:19,950 --> 00:23:21,710
that's usually put on,
you know, some groups
640
00:23:21,745 --> 00:23:23,229
of Asian Americans,
not others.
641
00:23:23,263 --> 00:23:24,541
There are other stereotypes
642
00:23:24,575 --> 00:23:26,405
that affects other
Asian Americans, right?
643
00:23:26,439 --> 00:23:28,441
So the one I can think of is--
644
00:23:28,476 --> 00:23:31,444
as the most significant
right now since 9/11
645
00:23:31,479 --> 00:23:34,620
has been the stereotype
of, you know, Muslims
646
00:23:34,654 --> 00:23:36,587
as being terrorists.[Adam]
Right.
647
00:23:36,622 --> 00:23:38,624
And a lot of South Asians,
you know, Arab Americans--
648
00:23:38,658 --> 00:23:39,935
A lot of South Asians
are Muslims. Right.
649
00:23:39,970 --> 00:23:42,973
So I think that stereotypes
in the American society
650
00:23:43,007 --> 00:23:44,733
for racial minorities,
651
00:23:44,768 --> 00:23:46,770
you're only typecast
in very few ways.
652
00:23:46,804 --> 00:23:48,116
But even those--
those stereotypes
653
00:23:48,150 --> 00:23:50,187
are not even
internally consistent.
654
00:23:50,221 --> 00:23:52,776
Like, if someone says,
"Asian Americans, they're all like this."
655
00:23:52,810 --> 00:23:54,122
Well, except for
the stereotype
656
00:23:54,156 --> 00:23:56,504
that you're applying to
a different group of people
657
00:23:56,538 --> 00:23:57,850
who are of Asian descent.
658
00:23:57,884 --> 00:24:00,197
The very idea of stereotyping
people in that way
659
00:24:00,231 --> 00:24:01,819
doesn't hold up
if you look at it
660
00:24:01,854 --> 00:24:03,476
with the smallest
critical eye.
661
00:24:03,511 --> 00:24:05,823
Yeah, I think the problem
just seems to be
662
00:24:05,858 --> 00:24:07,169
assumptions about people,
you know?
663
00:24:07,204 --> 00:24:09,033
Whether it's about
being a math-wiz
664
00:24:09,068 --> 00:24:11,829
or whether it's about being,
like, a criminal?
665
00:24:11,864 --> 00:24:14,798
Those assumptions really
have real consequences.
666
00:24:14,832 --> 00:24:17,386
Yeah.But the most useful
thing we can do
667
00:24:17,421 --> 00:24:19,354
is to understand
where they came from
668
00:24:19,388 --> 00:24:20,666
or why they exist.
669
00:24:20,700 --> 00:24:22,840
Then it's like, what do we do
with that information?
670
00:24:22,875 --> 00:24:24,359
I think it's up
to each of us.
671
00:24:24,393 --> 00:24:26,154
Thank you for coming on
the show to help
672
00:24:26,188 --> 00:24:27,983
make us more aware of this.[both laugh]
673
00:24:28,018 --> 00:24:29,916
Thank you,
it was a lot of fun.
674
00:24:29,966 --> 00:24:34,516
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