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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,073 --> 00:00:05,902 ♪♪ 2 00:00:05,936 --> 00:00:07,524 [canned laughter and applause] 3 00:00:07,559 --> 00:00:10,079 [announcer] "One of Each" is filmed before a live studio audience. 4 00:00:10,113 --> 00:00:11,942 Honey, I'm home-- 5 00:00:11,977 --> 00:00:13,599 Ah, gosh darn it! 6 00:00:13,634 --> 00:00:14,911 Every time! 7 00:00:14,945 --> 00:00:16,844 Put it with the others, Ricky. 8 00:00:16,878 --> 00:00:18,949 [canned laughter] 9 00:00:18,984 --> 00:00:20,503 I've heard of "pop and lock", 10 00:00:20,537 --> 00:00:21,883 but ever since you guys adopted me, 11 00:00:21,918 --> 00:00:23,540 it's more like "Pops endslocks." 12 00:00:23,575 --> 00:00:25,059 Oh! Oh![canned laughter] 13 00:00:25,094 --> 00:00:26,198 Trey, stop that. 14 00:00:26,233 --> 00:00:27,717 Real men don't dance. 15 00:00:27,751 --> 00:00:30,409 It's so emotional. Yuck! 16 00:00:30,444 --> 00:00:32,756 According to my calculations, 17 00:00:32,791 --> 00:00:35,035 Trey, you didn't finish your math homework yet. 18 00:00:35,069 --> 00:00:36,898 We're gonna be late for Denise's pool party. 19 00:00:36,933 --> 00:00:38,383 Whatchu talkin' about, Computer? 20 00:00:38,417 --> 00:00:40,350 Inviting a black guy to a pool party 21 00:00:40,385 --> 00:00:42,973 is like inviting you to a coolparty. 22 00:00:43,008 --> 00:00:45,114 [robot voice] Does not compute. [groans] 23 00:00:45,148 --> 00:00:47,392 [ladder thuds]Actually... 24 00:00:47,426 --> 00:00:49,911 sitcoms like this one sure love 25 00:00:49,946 --> 00:00:52,121 making jokes about stereotypes. 26 00:00:52,155 --> 00:00:53,743 But the roots of these stereotypes 27 00:00:53,777 --> 00:00:55,572 are no laughing matter. 28 00:00:55,607 --> 00:00:57,471 Cut![bell rings] 29 00:00:57,505 --> 00:00:59,921 What're you doing? This is comedy gold. 30 00:00:59,956 --> 00:01:02,131 Ehh, more like comedy lead. 31 00:01:02,165 --> 00:01:04,098 Let me bring in my own writer and researcher 32 00:01:04,133 --> 00:01:05,582 to show you what's what. 33 00:01:05,617 --> 00:01:06,928 We got new scripts. 34 00:01:06,963 --> 00:01:08,206 Lotta changes. 35 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:09,724 What're you talking about? 36 00:01:09,759 --> 00:01:10,898 We don't need to change a thing. 37 00:01:10,932 --> 00:01:12,762 Are you kidding me? Our show's terrible. 38 00:01:12,796 --> 00:01:14,074 Come on, every sitcom 39 00:01:14,108 --> 00:01:15,661 could use a wacky new neighbor. 40 00:01:15,696 --> 00:01:17,767 Fine, but I'm not paying for any overtime. 41 00:01:17,801 --> 00:01:20,010 Deal! Hi, I'm Adam Conover, 42 00:01:20,045 --> 00:01:22,116 and this is a very special episode 43 00:01:22,151 --> 00:01:24,118 of "Adam Ruins Everything." 44 00:01:24,153 --> 00:01:26,810 ♪♪ 45 00:01:28,467 --> 00:01:30,469 Closed Captions Provided by truTV 46 00:01:33,472 --> 00:01:34,611 Oh, money! 47 00:01:34,646 --> 00:01:36,268 Oh-ho![groans] 48 00:01:36,303 --> 00:01:37,856 Trey, it isn't fair. 49 00:01:37,890 --> 00:01:40,307 Guys like you are all great at basketball. 50 00:01:40,341 --> 00:01:42,481 It's like you have a gift for it or something. 51 00:01:42,516 --> 00:01:45,001 Oh, yeah, you know a little gift melanin. 52 00:01:45,035 --> 00:01:47,314 [canned laughter] 53 00:01:48,867 --> 00:01:50,627 [audience whistling]Speaking of skin, Trey, 54 00:01:50,662 --> 00:01:53,285 why aren't you at my pool party showing some? 55 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,805 [audience gasping] 56 00:01:55,839 --> 00:01:58,290 Computer, what am I gonna do? 57 00:01:58,325 --> 00:02:00,050 I can't go to a pool party, I'm black! 58 00:02:00,085 --> 00:02:01,535 [canned laughter] 59 00:02:01,569 --> 00:02:02,984 You know black people can't swim. 60 00:02:03,019 --> 00:02:04,262 Time out![whistle blowing] 61 00:02:04,296 --> 00:02:07,644 Boy, TV comedies like this sure love making jokes 62 00:02:07,679 --> 00:02:09,474 about black stereotypes. 63 00:02:09,508 --> 00:02:11,061 Yeah, they're hilarious. 64 00:02:11,096 --> 00:02:13,133 Maybe to you, but these jokes aren't so funny 65 00:02:13,167 --> 00:02:14,824 when you realize that these stereotypes 66 00:02:14,858 --> 00:02:16,308 have a really dark history. 67 00:02:16,343 --> 00:02:19,794 Yeah, and while many Americans know this story all too well, 68 00:02:19,829 --> 00:02:22,003 apparently some of us still need to hear it. 69 00:02:22,038 --> 00:02:25,524 Black people don't have some natural inability to swim. 70 00:02:25,559 --> 00:02:28,665 The truth is, for decades, they weren't allowed to. 71 00:02:28,700 --> 00:02:30,184 Time in![whistle blowing] 72 00:02:30,219 --> 00:02:32,497 Hey, guys, you know what's even cooler than a pool party? 73 00:02:32,531 --> 00:02:34,637 A history of pools party. 74 00:02:34,671 --> 00:02:36,570 Okay, Wack Morris. Let's hear it. 75 00:02:36,604 --> 00:02:38,399 In the 1920s and '30s, 76 00:02:38,434 --> 00:02:41,747 the government built thousands of new public pools. 77 00:02:41,782 --> 00:02:44,474 But they were mostly in white neighborhoods. 78 00:02:44,509 --> 00:02:47,891 And until 1964, Southern segregation laws 79 00:02:47,926 --> 00:02:49,928 barred black swimmers from using them. 80 00:02:49,962 --> 00:02:51,205 No pool for you! 81 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:52,689 [Adam] And segregation 82 00:02:52,724 --> 00:02:54,691 wasn't just a Southern thing. 83 00:02:54,726 --> 00:02:57,107 Cities like Pittsburgh actively encouraged 84 00:02:57,142 --> 00:02:58,661 attacks on black swimmers, 85 00:02:58,695 --> 00:03:00,732 and looked the other way when white citizens 86 00:03:00,766 --> 00:03:03,252 posted armed guards at pools. 87 00:03:03,286 --> 00:03:06,220 ♪♪ 88 00:03:06,255 --> 00:03:07,601 [canned laughter] 89 00:03:10,086 --> 00:03:12,053 [Adam] And when brave civil rights activists 90 00:03:12,088 --> 00:03:13,710 fought back with swim-ins, 91 00:03:13,745 --> 00:03:15,781 they were met by angry white mobs 92 00:03:15,816 --> 00:03:20,234 who would beat them, or even throw acid in the pools. 93 00:03:20,269 --> 00:03:22,029 Now that there's acid in this pool, 94 00:03:22,063 --> 00:03:24,273 only I can swim in it! 95 00:03:24,307 --> 00:03:25,619 Oh, wait... 96 00:03:25,653 --> 00:03:26,965 [canned laughter] 97 00:03:26,999 --> 00:03:28,898 That really happened? 98 00:03:28,932 --> 00:03:31,038 Yep.Oh, it's [bleep] up. 99 00:03:31,072 --> 00:03:32,902 Even after desegregation, 100 00:03:32,936 --> 00:03:35,145 cities would shut their pools down 101 00:03:35,180 --> 00:03:36,871 rather than let them integrate. 102 00:03:36,906 --> 00:03:38,735 Or they'd just let the funding dry up 103 00:03:38,770 --> 00:03:41,290 once more black swimmers started using the pool. 104 00:03:41,324 --> 00:03:43,084 Finally, civil rights! 105 00:03:43,119 --> 00:03:45,052 We can drink from any water fountain we want, 106 00:03:45,086 --> 00:03:46,743 and swim in any p... 107 00:03:46,778 --> 00:03:48,469 White people are leaving. 108 00:03:48,504 --> 00:03:50,713 Pool's closed. Shut it down! 109 00:03:50,747 --> 00:03:52,266 [canned laughter] 110 00:03:52,301 --> 00:03:53,405 This is some bullshit. 111 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,373 Yep, and the result of that bullshit 112 00:03:55,407 --> 00:03:57,547 is that swimming never became a part of black culture. 113 00:03:57,582 --> 00:04:01,310 Today, 70% of black Americans don't know how to swim. 114 00:04:01,344 --> 00:04:03,829 And according to the CDC, black 11 year olds 115 00:04:03,864 --> 00:04:06,176 are ten times more likely to drown 116 00:04:06,211 --> 00:04:08,006 than white 11 year olds. 117 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,284 But that's not because of natural ability, 118 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:12,666 it's because of access and opportunity. 119 00:04:12,700 --> 00:04:14,115 The same is true of basketball. 120 00:04:14,150 --> 00:04:16,601 From the 1920s through the '50s, 121 00:04:16,635 --> 00:04:19,086 basketball was actually the most popular sport 122 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,606 among poor Jewish people in urban neighborhoods. 123 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,333 That's because the equipment is relatively inexpensive, 124 00:04:24,367 --> 00:04:26,611 and it doesn't require a field. 125 00:04:26,645 --> 00:04:29,130 As a result, in the early years of the NBA 126 00:04:29,165 --> 00:04:31,788 the league was dominated by Jewish players. 127 00:04:31,823 --> 00:04:33,031 Shenkman! 128 00:04:33,065 --> 00:04:34,204 [canned applause] 129 00:04:34,239 --> 00:04:36,759 But many Americans made racist assumptions 130 00:04:36,793 --> 00:04:40,349 about why Jewish people had a "natural advantage". 131 00:04:40,383 --> 00:04:43,869 Boy, all you Jews are good at basketball. 132 00:04:43,904 --> 00:04:46,113 It must be because of your naturally scheming mind, 133 00:04:46,147 --> 00:04:48,529 artful dodging, and general smart alecness. 134 00:04:48,564 --> 00:04:49,841 [canned laughter] 135 00:04:49,875 --> 00:04:51,325 Yeesh. 136 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:52,809 As Jewish people were permitted 137 00:04:52,844 --> 00:04:54,363 to assimilate into white culture 138 00:04:54,397 --> 00:04:55,881 and moved out of the inner cities, 139 00:04:55,916 --> 00:04:57,435 black people moved in 140 00:04:57,469 --> 00:04:59,609 and started playing more basketball. 141 00:04:59,644 --> 00:05:03,233 But again, many people assumed it was all about race. 142 00:05:04,545 --> 00:05:05,995 Wow... 143 00:05:06,029 --> 00:05:08,169 all you black people are good at basketball. 144 00:05:08,204 --> 00:05:10,482 It must be because of your natural advantage. 145 00:05:10,517 --> 00:05:12,001 [canned laughter] 146 00:05:12,035 --> 00:05:14,141 The reality is your ethnic heritage 147 00:05:14,175 --> 00:05:17,662 doesn't make you inherently good or bad at anything. 148 00:05:17,696 --> 00:05:20,906 Far more important is access and opportunity. 149 00:05:20,941 --> 00:05:23,357 You're right, I gotta tell Denise the truth. 150 00:05:23,392 --> 00:05:25,152 If you wanna talk to me, Trey, 151 00:05:25,186 --> 00:05:27,465 how about we go someplace we can be alone? 152 00:05:27,499 --> 00:05:29,363 Like the deep end? 153 00:05:29,398 --> 00:05:31,883 [audience whistling]No, no, Denise, look. 154 00:05:31,917 --> 00:05:33,505 I gotta tell you something. 155 00:05:33,540 --> 00:05:35,024 I never learned how to swim. 156 00:05:35,058 --> 00:05:36,991 A lot of black people haven't. 157 00:05:37,026 --> 00:05:39,339 But it-- it's not because we can't or anything. 158 00:05:39,373 --> 00:05:40,478 It's because of decades 159 00:05:40,512 --> 00:05:42,721 of violent, systemic racial oppression. 160 00:05:42,756 --> 00:05:45,586 Oh! Trey, I had no idea. 161 00:05:47,243 --> 00:05:48,934 Maybe I should give you a lesson. 162 00:05:48,969 --> 00:05:50,764 [canned laughter] 163 00:05:50,798 --> 00:05:51,937 It's a sitcom, 164 00:05:51,972 --> 00:05:53,283 they always have a cheesy ending. 165 00:05:53,318 --> 00:05:55,838 Trey, no hanging out with Denise until 166 00:05:55,872 --> 00:05:57,529 after you've finished your math homework. 167 00:05:57,564 --> 00:05:59,704 Why can't you be more like Computer? 168 00:05:59,738 --> 00:06:01,568 I bet he finished weeks ago. 169 00:06:01,602 --> 00:06:03,293 [canned laughter] 170 00:06:03,328 --> 00:06:06,883 Yikes, that stereotype has a really sinister history too. 171 00:06:06,918 --> 00:06:08,091 [boing] 172 00:06:08,126 --> 00:06:09,886 My hair protected me. 173 00:06:09,921 --> 00:06:11,405 [canned laughter] 174 00:06:13,131 --> 00:06:14,581 [canned applause] 175 00:06:14,615 --> 00:06:17,135 Boy, I'm sure glad we left the pool party, Trey. 176 00:06:17,169 --> 00:06:19,896 Math homework is way more fun! 177 00:06:19,931 --> 00:06:21,208 Computer, that's the first thing 178 00:06:21,242 --> 00:06:22,968 you've ever said that doesn'tadd up. 179 00:06:23,003 --> 00:06:24,314 [canned laughter] 180 00:06:24,349 --> 00:06:26,075 You're so studious, Computer. 181 00:06:26,109 --> 00:06:28,629 Trey, you could learn a thing or two from his people. 182 00:06:28,664 --> 00:06:29,906 They're very wise. 183 00:06:29,941 --> 00:06:31,080 [canned laughter] 184 00:06:31,114 --> 00:06:33,151 Whoa, time out![whistle blowing] 185 00:06:33,185 --> 00:06:34,601 Here we go again! 186 00:06:34,635 --> 00:06:38,777 TV and movies are rampant with Asian stereotypes. 187 00:06:38,812 --> 00:06:40,986 Especially the idea that Asian people 188 00:06:41,021 --> 00:06:43,920 are some kind of "model minority." 189 00:06:43,955 --> 00:06:46,992 Smart, successful, polite, obedient, and of course, 190 00:06:47,027 --> 00:06:49,581 inherently good at math. 191 00:06:49,616 --> 00:06:52,584 What's the big deal? Those are all compliments. 192 00:06:52,619 --> 00:06:55,760 Well, these "compliments" actually originated 193 00:06:55,794 --> 00:06:57,417 in a government propaganda campaign. 194 00:06:57,451 --> 00:06:59,764 And not too long ago, white Americans 195 00:06:59,798 --> 00:07:01,766 actually thought the exact opposite. 196 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,008 Time in![whistle blowing] 197 00:07:03,043 --> 00:07:04,458 In the mid-1800s, 198 00:07:04,493 --> 00:07:06,771 Americans were so hostile to Chinese people, 199 00:07:06,805 --> 00:07:09,912 the country passed laws banning Chinese immigration 200 00:07:09,946 --> 00:07:11,638 and denying their freedoms. 201 00:07:11,672 --> 00:07:14,572 They were stereotyped as a lazy, opium-addicted, 202 00:07:14,606 --> 00:07:17,437 menacing horde dubbed the "yellow peril." 203 00:07:17,471 --> 00:07:19,818 [guitar riff]But you're old Uncle Sammy didn't stop there. 204 00:07:19,853 --> 00:07:21,786 Uncle Sammy! Uncle Sammy! 205 00:07:21,820 --> 00:07:23,960 [canned applause][Adam] Yeah, Uncle Sammy 206 00:07:23,995 --> 00:07:26,342 hasn't been such a cool uncle. 207 00:07:26,376 --> 00:07:29,345 Because of anti-Asian racism during World War II, 208 00:07:29,379 --> 00:07:32,486 the United States interned Japanese Americans 209 00:07:32,521 --> 00:07:34,212 in concentration camps. 210 00:07:34,246 --> 00:07:37,146 Hey, it's our Japanese friend Kenji from up the street! 211 00:07:37,180 --> 00:07:38,458 Oh, that's not your friend. 212 00:07:38,492 --> 00:07:41,184 That's a spy who wants to kill Americans. 213 00:07:42,531 --> 00:07:44,015 [canned laughter] 214 00:07:47,190 --> 00:07:48,502 Uncle Sammy, why didn't you do that 215 00:07:48,537 --> 00:07:50,504 to German Americans in World War II? 216 00:07:50,539 --> 00:07:52,057 Yeah, I wonder... 217 00:07:52,092 --> 00:07:54,163 Because they're white.Because they're white. 218 00:07:54,197 --> 00:07:56,303 But all that changed when the US needed 219 00:07:56,337 --> 00:07:59,548 to suck up to its Asian allies during the Cold War. 220 00:07:59,582 --> 00:08:01,860 See, as the Soviet Union rose to power, 221 00:08:01,895 --> 00:08:04,173 the US worried that Soviet propaganda 222 00:08:04,207 --> 00:08:07,003 was making communism sound "dyno-mite". 223 00:08:07,038 --> 00:08:10,179 [Russian accent] America is so racist, am I right? 224 00:08:10,213 --> 00:08:14,666 It's like, hey, USA, cut it out! 225 00:08:14,701 --> 00:08:16,530 Woof. Guess I better 226 00:08:16,565 --> 00:08:19,844 "have mercy" on these Asians. 227 00:08:19,878 --> 00:08:22,985 So America embarked on a propaganda campaign 228 00:08:23,019 --> 00:08:25,401 to tout Asian American success stories. 229 00:08:25,435 --> 00:08:27,023 The State Department highlighted 230 00:08:27,058 --> 00:08:29,198 Asian-American artists, politicians, 231 00:08:29,232 --> 00:08:31,683 and even sent an all Chinese-American 232 00:08:31,718 --> 00:08:34,272 basketball team on tour overseas. 233 00:08:34,306 --> 00:08:36,861 Forget all that nastiness earlier, 234 00:08:36,895 --> 00:08:40,209 America loves our Asian sports heroes. 235 00:08:40,243 --> 00:08:42,867 And in 1965, Congress approved 236 00:08:42,901 --> 00:08:44,558 a landmark immigration law 237 00:08:44,593 --> 00:08:46,560 that ditched racist restrictions. 238 00:08:46,595 --> 00:08:48,458 But it gave preference to immigrants 239 00:08:48,493 --> 00:08:50,771 who had training, talent, or skill sets 240 00:08:50,806 --> 00:08:53,049 that would benefit the US economy. 241 00:08:53,084 --> 00:08:54,603 [speaker feedback] 242 00:08:54,637 --> 00:08:56,881 Sammy and The Rippers are changing their tune. 243 00:08:56,915 --> 00:08:59,469 Border's now open for smart, successful 244 00:08:59,504 --> 00:09:01,886 Asian immigrants.[guitar riff] 245 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,578 Wow! Now that I've let all these educated, 246 00:09:04,613 --> 00:09:06,269 successful Asians into America, 247 00:09:06,304 --> 00:09:07,443 I've gotta say, 248 00:09:07,477 --> 00:09:09,410 Asian-Americans sure are successful and educated. 249 00:09:09,445 --> 00:09:11,067 [wild guitar riff][canned laughter] 250 00:09:11,102 --> 00:09:13,691 So American went from a country 251 00:09:13,725 --> 00:09:15,209 that despised Asians 252 00:09:15,244 --> 00:09:16,486 to one that held them up 253 00:09:16,521 --> 00:09:19,144 as a shining example of assimilation. 254 00:09:19,179 --> 00:09:22,251 And this self-fulfilling prophecy resulted 255 00:09:22,285 --> 00:09:24,736 in the "model minority" myth. 256 00:09:24,771 --> 00:09:26,704 And the most sinister part of this myth is 257 00:09:26,738 --> 00:09:29,120 it was used to put other minorities down. 258 00:09:29,154 --> 00:09:31,053 And it's still holding people back today. 259 00:09:31,087 --> 00:09:33,089 Oh, it's our very special guest star, 260 00:09:33,124 --> 00:09:35,057 professor of history at Indiana University 261 00:09:35,091 --> 00:09:36,610 Ellen Wu.[canned applause] 262 00:09:36,645 --> 00:09:38,336 Why did I need to use the ladder, Adam? 263 00:09:38,370 --> 00:09:39,820 Aren't we on the ground floor? 264 00:09:39,855 --> 00:09:41,960 It's a sitcom thing. 265 00:09:41,995 --> 00:09:44,584 In the 1960s, government officials 266 00:09:44,618 --> 00:09:46,275 looked at socio-economic data 267 00:09:46,309 --> 00:09:48,070 from African American communities 268 00:09:48,104 --> 00:09:50,797 and contrasted it to the so-called 269 00:09:50,831 --> 00:09:53,765 "family values and stability" of Asian Americans. 270 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,940 Now, this fueled racist claims 271 00:09:55,974 --> 00:09:58,632 that black people had no one to blame but themselves 272 00:09:58,667 --> 00:10:00,945 if they experienced poverty 273 00:10:00,979 --> 00:10:02,463 and other social disadvantages. 274 00:10:02,498 --> 00:10:04,949 Conservatives went on to use these claims 275 00:10:04,983 --> 00:10:07,779 to justify making cuts to many essential 276 00:10:07,814 --> 00:10:10,264 social programs for African Americans 277 00:10:10,299 --> 00:10:12,957 and other disadvantaged minority groups. 278 00:10:12,991 --> 00:10:16,098 They were even used to argue against civil rights. 279 00:10:16,132 --> 00:10:18,687 Come on, you don't see Computer complaining 280 00:10:18,721 --> 00:10:21,137 about "fair and equal protection". 281 00:10:21,172 --> 00:10:23,519 Asians earned their place in this country. 282 00:10:23,553 --> 00:10:25,694 Why can't you? Wh-- what? No! 283 00:10:25,728 --> 00:10:27,972 Uncle Sammy, you helped Asian people. 284 00:10:28,006 --> 00:10:29,663 Why can't you see that? 285 00:10:29,698 --> 00:10:32,562 And the model minority myth hurts Asian people too. 286 00:10:32,597 --> 00:10:35,324 If an Asian American student is struggling in school, 287 00:10:35,358 --> 00:10:38,638 many teachers assume that they don't really need extra help. 288 00:10:38,672 --> 00:10:39,984 And it's not true that all Asians 289 00:10:40,018 --> 00:10:42,158 are crazy rich and successful. 290 00:10:42,193 --> 00:10:44,402 The poverty rate for Asian Americans 291 00:10:44,436 --> 00:10:46,991 is actually higher than the national average. 292 00:10:47,025 --> 00:10:48,786 And frankly, it's kinda ridiculous 293 00:10:48,820 --> 00:10:50,546 that we lump people from so many different 294 00:10:50,580 --> 00:10:52,582 backgrounds together as "Asian." 295 00:10:52,617 --> 00:10:56,483 Yeah, Asian people are not a monolith. 296 00:10:56,517 --> 00:10:59,693 Trey, you and your multi-ethnic adopted parents 297 00:10:59,728 --> 00:11:02,144 keep referring to me as your "smart Asian neighbor." 298 00:11:02,178 --> 00:11:05,181 Specifically, I am Korean American 299 00:11:05,216 --> 00:11:06,700 and, sure, I'm smart, 300 00:11:06,735 --> 00:11:09,013 but I also love Ultimate Frisbee. 301 00:11:09,047 --> 00:11:11,049 Why doesn't anybody talk about that? 302 00:11:11,084 --> 00:11:12,223 [canned applause] 303 00:11:12,257 --> 00:11:13,742 You know what? This is messed up. 304 00:11:13,776 --> 00:11:15,191 Computer's a person 305 00:11:15,226 --> 00:11:17,193 who contains multitudes, 306 00:11:17,228 --> 00:11:20,024 and probably has a real name. 307 00:11:20,058 --> 00:11:21,542 You know what, Uncle Sammy? 308 00:11:21,577 --> 00:11:22,923 This is all your fault. 309 00:11:22,958 --> 00:11:27,100 Get out of my room.Whoa, watch the hair! 310 00:11:27,134 --> 00:11:28,446 [canned laughter and applause] 311 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,724 Aww, wipe your tears, you sissy. 312 00:11:30,759 --> 00:11:32,070 Good for you two. 313 00:11:32,105 --> 00:11:33,900 About time you found your cajones 314 00:11:33,934 --> 00:11:36,557 and stood up for yourselves like real men. 315 00:11:36,592 --> 00:11:39,595 Oh, Rick, we have gotta discuss that stereotype... 316 00:11:39,629 --> 00:11:40,734 [canned laughter] 317 00:11:40,769 --> 00:11:42,598 [choking] Before it's too late! 318 00:11:45,221 --> 00:11:47,568 ♪♪ 319 00:11:47,603 --> 00:11:50,054 Are you sure you don't want help fixing the doorknob, Rick? 320 00:11:50,088 --> 00:11:51,952 [scoffing] Real man like Rick 321 00:11:51,987 --> 00:11:53,367 can fix his own knob. 322 00:11:53,402 --> 00:11:55,231 You worry about fixing dinner. 323 00:11:55,266 --> 00:11:56,888 [canned laughter][man cackling] 324 00:11:56,923 --> 00:11:58,614 Pork Chop! Great to see you, buddy. 325 00:11:58,648 --> 00:11:59,960 [grunting] 326 00:12:01,479 --> 00:12:03,067 [both chuckling] 327 00:12:03,101 --> 00:12:05,414 Ah, you all ready for the annual big hang 328 00:12:05,448 --> 00:12:06,967 in your garage, Rick? 329 00:12:07,002 --> 00:12:09,073 Oh, I can't wait to tell you all about my motorcycle. 330 00:12:09,107 --> 00:12:11,247 Nothing about it is different from last time. 331 00:12:11,282 --> 00:12:12,421 Heck yeah! 332 00:12:12,455 --> 00:12:13,905 Knockin' bottles of beer down... 333 00:12:13,940 --> 00:12:15,596 and bottling our emotions up! 334 00:12:15,631 --> 00:12:16,943 [men laughing] 335 00:12:16,977 --> 00:12:18,082 Sorry Mr. Chop, 336 00:12:18,116 --> 00:12:20,809 but the hard-living, emotion-stifling version 337 00:12:20,843 --> 00:12:23,259 of manliness promoted by sitcoms like yours 338 00:12:23,294 --> 00:12:25,089 is actually making men weaker. 339 00:12:25,123 --> 00:12:27,332 According to the most recent data, 340 00:12:27,367 --> 00:12:29,231 the average American man dies 341 00:12:29,265 --> 00:12:30,922 five years earlier than women. 342 00:12:30,957 --> 00:12:33,580 [Rick] Aw, that's just biology. 343 00:12:33,614 --> 00:12:35,168 Men's bodies get worn out 344 00:12:35,202 --> 00:12:38,585 from carrying around muscles all day long. Yeah! 345 00:12:38,619 --> 00:12:40,069 Wrong again. 346 00:12:40,104 --> 00:12:43,107 Men are 3.9 times more likely 347 00:12:43,141 --> 00:12:45,109 to experience accidental death, 348 00:12:45,143 --> 00:12:47,421 the leading causes of which are behaviors 349 00:12:47,456 --> 00:12:49,665 typically celebrated as "masculine", 350 00:12:49,699 --> 00:12:52,081 like drinking and careless driving. 351 00:12:52,116 --> 00:12:53,151 All right! 352 00:12:53,186 --> 00:12:54,359 Drinking lots, driving fast, 353 00:12:54,394 --> 00:12:55,705 and dying young! 354 00:12:55,740 --> 00:12:57,535 That's what being a man's all about, right, Rick? 355 00:12:57,569 --> 00:12:58,847 [canned laughter][Adam] Yeah... 356 00:12:58,881 --> 00:13:01,815 that's what advertisers would like you to think. 357 00:13:01,850 --> 00:13:03,299 Alcohol and cigarette ads 358 00:13:03,334 --> 00:13:05,992 disproportionately target men with the idea 359 00:13:06,026 --> 00:13:09,098 that drinking and smoking are "manly." 360 00:13:09,133 --> 00:13:10,928 [deep voice] After a long, manly day 361 00:13:10,962 --> 00:13:13,102 at my hard, manly job, 362 00:13:13,137 --> 00:13:14,863 I like to watch football...[men grunting] 363 00:13:14,897 --> 00:13:16,347 crack some beers...[can opening] 364 00:13:16,381 --> 00:13:19,005 and smoke these cancer sticks. 365 00:13:19,039 --> 00:13:22,802 [announcer] He's the most manipulative man in the world. 366 00:13:22,836 --> 00:13:23,733 [scoffing] Oh, come on! 367 00:13:23,768 --> 00:13:25,666 Men aren't being manipulated 368 00:13:25,701 --> 00:13:27,323 to do anything. 369 00:13:27,358 --> 00:13:28,704 [canned laughter] 370 00:13:28,738 --> 00:13:30,844 And men's health is also at higher risk 371 00:13:30,879 --> 00:13:32,881 because of what we're conditioned notto do, 372 00:13:32,915 --> 00:13:35,573 like take care of ourselves with regular doctors visits. 373 00:13:35,607 --> 00:13:37,955 [doorbell rings]House call, Rick. 374 00:13:37,989 --> 00:13:40,820 Did you know men are twice as likely as women 375 00:13:40,854 --> 00:13:45,169 to wait over two years between doctor's visits? 376 00:13:45,203 --> 00:13:47,171 [canned laughter] 377 00:13:47,205 --> 00:13:49,518 [scoffing] Last time I saw a doctor, 378 00:13:49,552 --> 00:13:51,347 he was pulling me out of my mom's "hoo-ha." 379 00:13:51,382 --> 00:13:53,073 [Pork Chop laughing] 380 00:13:53,108 --> 00:13:56,214 And how 'bout this, Mr. "GQ"? 381 00:13:56,249 --> 00:13:58,838 That's an insult because you're wearing fancy pants. 382 00:13:58,872 --> 00:14:01,185 You ever think that maybe men are dying earlier 383 00:14:01,219 --> 00:14:02,358 because we're so stressed out 384 00:14:02,393 --> 00:14:04,188 from having to support our families? 385 00:14:04,222 --> 00:14:05,603 Yeah, I'm under a lot of pressure 386 00:14:05,637 --> 00:14:07,087 working full-time at the tool store 387 00:14:07,122 --> 00:14:08,986 to feed a multi-cultural family of three 388 00:14:09,020 --> 00:14:11,885 plus our smart Asian neighbor.[Adam] That's understandable. 389 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:13,887 Being the sole breadwinner for a family 390 00:14:13,922 --> 00:14:16,027 would take a toll on anyone, 391 00:14:16,062 --> 00:14:19,065 which may be why studies have shown men fare better 392 00:14:19,099 --> 00:14:21,343 physically and mentally when the financial 393 00:14:21,377 --> 00:14:24,622 and caretaking responsibilities in a relationship are shared. 394 00:14:24,656 --> 00:14:27,245 Rick, the tool store says they need you to come in. 395 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,730 But you worked all week, how about I go down there? 396 00:14:29,765 --> 00:14:31,422 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 397 00:14:31,456 --> 00:14:32,872 You better watch out there, Rick. 398 00:14:32,906 --> 00:14:36,047 Lettin' your wife work is gonna destroy your marriage. 399 00:14:36,082 --> 00:14:37,877 [high-pitched voice] "Not tonight, honey. 400 00:14:37,911 --> 00:14:40,396 I'm too focused on my career." 401 00:14:40,431 --> 00:14:41,881 [canned laughter] 402 00:14:41,915 --> 00:14:43,572 Pork Chop, that's not true at all. 403 00:14:43,606 --> 00:14:45,263 Studies show that on average, 404 00:14:45,298 --> 00:14:46,816 couples with a female breadwinner 405 00:14:46,851 --> 00:14:48,404 actually report being happier. 406 00:14:48,439 --> 00:14:49,958 I don't know. 407 00:14:49,992 --> 00:14:52,270 If I wasn't the one putting food on my table, 408 00:14:52,305 --> 00:14:54,548 I'd feel I let my family down or something. 409 00:14:54,583 --> 00:14:56,585 Or I'd worry they'd think that. 410 00:14:56,619 --> 00:14:57,931 [sighs] Well... 411 00:14:57,966 --> 00:15:00,485 I think a lot of men feel that way, Rick. 412 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,936 Men and women are under such intense pressure 413 00:15:02,971 --> 00:15:05,490 to conform to the stereotypical gender roles, 414 00:15:05,525 --> 00:15:07,561 it's natural to have conflicted feelings 415 00:15:07,596 --> 00:15:08,908 about deviating from them. 416 00:15:08,942 --> 00:15:11,738 Oh, here we go with the feelings talk. 417 00:15:11,772 --> 00:15:14,154 Next he's gonna say men need pedicures 418 00:15:14,189 --> 00:15:15,949 and book clubs.[canned laughter] 419 00:15:15,984 --> 00:15:17,399 I mean, why not? 420 00:15:17,433 --> 00:15:19,815 Don't men deserve to take time for ourselves 421 00:15:19,849 --> 00:15:21,679 and have meaningful friendships? 422 00:15:21,713 --> 00:15:24,613 Yeah, of course.Well, studies show 423 00:15:24,647 --> 00:15:26,132 that boys feel pressure to abandon 424 00:15:26,166 --> 00:15:28,444 intimate male friendships as they get older 425 00:15:28,479 --> 00:15:29,963 because they grow self conscious that 426 00:15:29,998 --> 00:15:32,448 that's not how men are supposed to behave. 427 00:15:32,483 --> 00:15:34,105 Nah, not me and Pork Chop. 428 00:15:34,140 --> 00:15:35,865 We've been best friends forever. 429 00:15:35,900 --> 00:15:37,281 [Adam] Aw, look at that. 430 00:15:37,315 --> 00:15:39,490 You two literally grew apart. 431 00:15:39,524 --> 00:15:42,493 Whoa, you don't wanna let anyone ever know 432 00:15:42,527 --> 00:15:44,771 that you once hugged another man, okay? 433 00:15:44,805 --> 00:15:46,117 That is weird. 434 00:15:46,152 --> 00:15:48,844 Pork Chop, despite the fact that we socialize men 435 00:15:48,878 --> 00:15:52,123 to reject intimacy, men need close friendships. 436 00:15:52,158 --> 00:15:53,642 We all do! 437 00:15:53,676 --> 00:15:55,023 Whoa! 438 00:15:55,057 --> 00:15:56,817 Loneliness is as bad for your health 439 00:15:56,852 --> 00:15:59,372 as smoking 15 cigarettes a day. 440 00:15:59,406 --> 00:16:01,339 And having strong social connections 441 00:16:01,374 --> 00:16:03,790 is just as important for reducing heart disease 442 00:16:03,824 --> 00:16:05,654 as eating right and exercising. 443 00:16:05,688 --> 00:16:07,345 But despite that, 444 00:16:07,380 --> 00:16:09,175 just 9% of men report feeling 445 00:16:09,209 --> 00:16:11,832 that they can rely on friends for support. 446 00:16:11,867 --> 00:16:14,214 Pork Chop, we gotta start opening up to each other 447 00:16:14,249 --> 00:16:16,147 before our bodies start breaking down. 448 00:16:16,182 --> 00:16:18,701 [scoffing] No way. I'm outta here. 449 00:16:18,736 --> 00:16:20,531 [audience gasping] 450 00:16:20,565 --> 00:16:22,326 Uh, Chop? 451 00:16:23,672 --> 00:16:26,882 Oh, I guess those are my stifled feelings coming out. 452 00:16:26,916 --> 00:16:28,332 [canned laughter] 453 00:16:28,366 --> 00:16:30,092 [retching] 454 00:16:31,714 --> 00:16:33,475 [audience gasping] 455 00:16:33,509 --> 00:16:35,028 What's happening to him? 456 00:16:35,063 --> 00:16:37,513 Don't worry, guys, I see this all the time. 457 00:16:37,548 --> 00:16:40,171 Hey, that's former NFL cornerback Wade Davis. 458 00:16:40,206 --> 00:16:41,724 I wanna teach you both a term 459 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:43,519 that really captures what we're talking about here. 460 00:16:43,554 --> 00:16:45,349 "Toxic masculinity." 461 00:16:45,383 --> 00:16:47,075 Toxic masculinity doesn't mean that 462 00:16:47,109 --> 00:16:49,249 there's anything wrong with being a man. 463 00:16:49,284 --> 00:16:52,356 It's about the narrow expectations of masculinity 464 00:16:52,390 --> 00:16:54,220 that society places on us 465 00:16:54,254 --> 00:16:56,532 and that we place on ourselves. 466 00:16:56,567 --> 00:16:59,570 These expectations negatively impact men, 467 00:16:59,604 --> 00:17:02,883 our partners, our kids, everyone around us. 468 00:17:02,918 --> 00:17:05,334 Many experts believe that toxic masculinity 469 00:17:05,369 --> 00:17:06,715 is one of the root causes 470 00:17:06,749 --> 00:17:08,613 when men are psychologically aggressive 471 00:17:08,648 --> 00:17:10,546 or commit domestic violence, 472 00:17:10,581 --> 00:17:13,515 sexual assault, or even mass shootings. 473 00:17:13,549 --> 00:17:15,586 Plus, having to "act like a man" 474 00:17:15,620 --> 00:17:17,726 all the time is just so restrictive. 475 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,384 We were all brought up believing that the only way 476 00:17:20,418 --> 00:17:23,387 to be a real man is to live out this stereotype, 477 00:17:23,421 --> 00:17:24,905 but it's not true. 478 00:17:24,940 --> 00:17:26,597 There are so many different ways 479 00:17:26,631 --> 00:17:29,117 for us to be men if we choose to be. 480 00:17:29,151 --> 00:17:31,912 But you make it sound so easy. 481 00:17:31,947 --> 00:17:34,605 Well, Rick, I don't think it's easy for anyone. 482 00:17:34,639 --> 00:17:36,193 It definitely wasn't for me. 483 00:17:36,227 --> 00:17:38,091 But one thing that men can do 484 00:17:38,126 --> 00:17:40,369 is start reflecting on where these ideas of manhood 485 00:17:40,404 --> 00:17:41,715 even come from. 486 00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:43,476 Personally, I learned a lot 487 00:17:43,510 --> 00:17:45,409 by reading and listening to women. 488 00:17:45,443 --> 00:17:47,480 And I have to add I couldn't have 489 00:17:47,514 --> 00:17:49,102 thought through these issues without the help 490 00:17:49,137 --> 00:17:51,104 of the women who work on our show. 491 00:17:51,139 --> 00:17:53,934 [canned applause] 492 00:17:53,969 --> 00:17:55,384 And none of us are perfect. 493 00:17:55,419 --> 00:17:56,765 It takes a lot of work 494 00:17:56,799 --> 00:17:58,594 to unlearn how you've been socialized. 495 00:17:58,629 --> 00:18:00,803 But there's actually a lot of strength 496 00:18:00,838 --> 00:18:02,426 in being vulnerable. 497 00:18:02,460 --> 00:18:04,773 If we can model that vulnerability 498 00:18:04,807 --> 00:18:06,809 and hold each other accountable 499 00:18:06,844 --> 00:18:10,123 when we see other men performing hurtful behavior, 500 00:18:10,158 --> 00:18:12,229 that's how we can take the first step. 501 00:18:12,263 --> 00:18:14,507 You're right. 502 00:18:14,541 --> 00:18:16,129 Pork Chop, I don't think 503 00:18:16,164 --> 00:18:18,649 the cracks you've been making about Carmen are appropriate. 504 00:18:18,683 --> 00:18:20,237 And I think you should start examining 505 00:18:20,271 --> 00:18:22,618 why you think it's okay to say things like that. 506 00:18:22,653 --> 00:18:26,277 [nervous chuckling] I don't know. 507 00:18:26,312 --> 00:18:28,762 I guess I owe her an apology. 508 00:18:28,797 --> 00:18:31,248 You too. 509 00:18:31,282 --> 00:18:32,801 I'm sorry, Rick. 510 00:18:34,458 --> 00:18:36,874 I'm sorry, Carmen. 511 00:18:36,908 --> 00:18:39,463 Rick, I hope you haven't felt like 512 00:18:39,497 --> 00:18:42,155 you have to be some big, strong, tough guy for me. 513 00:18:42,190 --> 00:18:43,812 No, Carmen, it's not you. 514 00:18:43,846 --> 00:18:45,469 It's... everything. 515 00:18:45,503 --> 00:18:47,264 After I take Chop to the hospital, 516 00:18:47,298 --> 00:18:49,645 I could do a few loads of laundry.Yeah. 517 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,165 'Cause we're all in this together. 518 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,547 [canned applause] 519 00:18:54,581 --> 00:18:56,549 [muffled] I love you, Rick. 520 00:18:56,583 --> 00:18:58,171 Okay, that's enough.[bell ringing] 521 00:18:58,206 --> 00:19:00,000 This is terrible, you ruined the show. 522 00:19:00,035 --> 00:19:02,175 Actually, this is gonna make your show better. 523 00:19:02,210 --> 00:19:03,556 Let's just finish the sc-- 524 00:19:03,590 --> 00:19:05,834 ♪♪ 525 00:19:05,868 --> 00:19:06,973 Wade, thank you so much 526 00:19:07,007 --> 00:19:09,182 for being on our sitcom, we really appreciate it. 527 00:19:09,217 --> 00:19:10,908 We're family, brother. Thank you for having me. 528 00:19:10,942 --> 00:19:12,565 You're the perfect person to talk to us about this, 529 00:19:12,599 --> 00:19:14,808 because you used to play for the NFL. 530 00:19:14,843 --> 00:19:16,500 But now you're known for your work on race, 531 00:19:16,534 --> 00:19:18,536 gender, toxic masculinity. 532 00:19:18,571 --> 00:19:20,745 So you've talked a lot about how feminist books 533 00:19:20,780 --> 00:19:23,852 are what helped you begin to reexamine gender roles. 534 00:19:23,886 --> 00:19:25,094 If I wanted to read 535 00:19:25,129 --> 00:19:26,820 one of those books now, what should I start with? 536 00:19:26,855 --> 00:19:28,684 So if there's one book, 537 00:19:28,719 --> 00:19:30,099 read this bell hooks book: 538 00:19:30,134 --> 00:19:32,032 "Feminist Theory: From Margin to Center". 539 00:19:32,067 --> 00:19:34,828 So what I learned was that the root of homophobia 540 00:19:34,863 --> 00:19:37,555 was sexism, and that changed my entire life. 541 00:19:37,590 --> 00:19:40,213 I was like, "Wow, everything that I've thought 542 00:19:40,248 --> 00:19:42,595 that was about men was actually about women." 543 00:19:42,629 --> 00:19:46,875 When we're calling other men sexist or homophobic terms, 544 00:19:46,909 --> 00:19:48,877 we're really talking about women. 545 00:19:48,911 --> 00:19:50,361 But when we're doing that, 546 00:19:50,396 --> 00:19:52,674 we're unnecessarily limiting 547 00:19:52,708 --> 00:19:55,055 the range of things that men can be. 548 00:19:55,090 --> 00:19:57,713 Yeah, and you also always put a woman 549 00:19:57,748 --> 00:20:01,061 or "acting like a woman" in the pejorative sense, right? 550 00:20:01,096 --> 00:20:03,132 [Adam] Yeah.If I do anything 551 00:20:03,167 --> 00:20:04,962 that can be perceived as feminine 552 00:20:04,996 --> 00:20:07,102 or perceived that women do, 553 00:20:07,136 --> 00:20:09,622 that it is a negative, awful thing. 554 00:20:09,656 --> 00:20:13,384 And then that makes men specifically only have 555 00:20:13,419 --> 00:20:17,077 a very tiny window of how we can show up in the world. 556 00:20:17,112 --> 00:20:20,288 And that feels suffocating. 557 00:20:20,322 --> 00:20:22,738 How can men get over that and start having 558 00:20:22,773 --> 00:20:24,602 real conversations with each other? 559 00:20:24,637 --> 00:20:26,570 The number one thing I tell men to do 560 00:20:26,604 --> 00:20:28,917 is just be honest with themselves first, right? 561 00:20:28,951 --> 00:20:31,299 I could never be honest with you, Adam, 562 00:20:31,333 --> 00:20:34,094 as another human being if I'm never honest 563 00:20:34,129 --> 00:20:35,579 with myself first, right? 564 00:20:35,613 --> 00:20:37,374 I think when it comes to gender equality, 565 00:20:37,408 --> 00:20:40,480 we have to own the fact that we have been socialized 566 00:20:40,515 --> 00:20:42,551 to believe certain things about women 567 00:20:42,586 --> 00:20:44,967 which impacts what we think about gay men, 568 00:20:45,002 --> 00:20:46,383 about trans folks, right? 569 00:20:46,417 --> 00:20:49,282 Like, can we actually learn about people who aren't like us 570 00:20:49,317 --> 00:20:51,595 and then we immediately learn about ourselves. 571 00:20:51,629 --> 00:20:53,113 Well, I'm really appreciative that you're out there 572 00:20:53,148 --> 00:20:54,598 talking about it and helping 573 00:20:54,632 --> 00:20:56,151 widen people's perspectives on this. 574 00:20:56,185 --> 00:20:58,084 You've widened mine, and, uh, yeah, 575 00:20:58,118 --> 00:20:59,603 thank you so much for coming on the show.Thank you for having me. 576 00:21:02,019 --> 00:21:03,848 Gee, it seems likefor having me. 577 00:21:03,883 --> 00:21:05,988 we've all been feeling boxed in by stereotypes. 578 00:21:06,023 --> 00:21:07,783 Yeah. You know, maybe it's time 579 00:21:07,818 --> 00:21:09,302 that we stopped looking at ourselves 580 00:21:09,337 --> 00:21:10,821 as "one of each" 581 00:21:10,855 --> 00:21:13,099 and more like a group of individuals 582 00:21:13,133 --> 00:21:15,170 who refuse to be reduced by their racial 583 00:21:15,204 --> 00:21:16,585 and gender stereotypes. 584 00:21:16,620 --> 00:21:18,794 That we're created by cultural and historical forces 585 00:21:18,829 --> 00:21:20,486 way beyond our control. 586 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,142 Kind of like this very sitcom. 587 00:21:22,177 --> 00:21:23,799 [audience applauding] 588 00:21:23,834 --> 00:21:24,973 This script is awful. 589 00:21:25,007 --> 00:21:26,595 You took the funny out of these characters 590 00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:29,322 and you spent the whole episode deconstructing them. 591 00:21:29,357 --> 00:21:31,462 And you completely de-spiced my spicy Latina. 592 00:21:31,497 --> 00:21:32,877 Oh, yeah, that's a whole stereotype 593 00:21:32,912 --> 00:21:34,845 we didn't even have time to get into. 594 00:21:34,879 --> 00:21:36,985 Man, this 21-minute runtime is restrictive. 595 00:21:37,019 --> 00:21:38,469 Ehh, I was just happy to get to put down 596 00:21:38,504 --> 00:21:39,884 the maracas for one episode. 597 00:21:39,919 --> 00:21:42,162 Oh, jeez, everyone's so sensitive these days. 598 00:21:42,197 --> 00:21:43,681 Comedy doesn't need to change. 599 00:21:43,716 --> 00:21:44,855 Funny is funny. 600 00:21:44,889 --> 00:21:47,306 Actually, comedy can and should evolve 601 00:21:47,340 --> 00:21:49,963 with our culture, and it has many times. 602 00:21:49,998 --> 00:21:53,484 Like today, we know that blackface isn't funny. 603 00:21:53,519 --> 00:21:55,486 But it used to be so popular, 604 00:21:55,521 --> 00:21:58,317 even megastars like Bob Hope, Mae West, 605 00:21:58,351 --> 00:22:00,042 and Judy Garland did it. 606 00:22:00,077 --> 00:22:02,010 Oh, I had the most marvelous dream. 607 00:22:02,044 --> 00:22:04,392 You were there, and you, and you, 608 00:22:04,426 --> 00:22:06,497 and we were all in blackface. 609 00:22:06,532 --> 00:22:09,362 And in retrospect, that was terrible. 610 00:22:09,397 --> 00:22:11,882 So you're saying people realized it was hurtful, 611 00:22:11,916 --> 00:22:14,194 they stopped doing it, and comedy survived? 612 00:22:14,229 --> 00:22:17,577 Well, not everybody stopped. 613 00:22:17,612 --> 00:22:20,200 Look, the jokes we choose to tell 614 00:22:20,235 --> 00:22:21,719 and the characters we write 615 00:22:21,754 --> 00:22:23,825 don't just reflect our cultural values, 616 00:22:23,859 --> 00:22:26,862 they have the power to influence them too. 617 00:22:26,897 --> 00:22:29,865 So what do you want the audience to see 618 00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:31,246 when they watch your show? 619 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,869 Tired, old, reductive clichés, 620 00:22:33,904 --> 00:22:36,941 or themselves as they really are? 621 00:22:36,976 --> 00:22:38,840 [triumphant music] 622 00:22:38,874 --> 00:22:40,876 ♪♪ 623 00:22:43,741 --> 00:22:44,915 Nah, I'll just cancel it. 624 00:22:44,949 --> 00:22:46,226 [bell ringing] 625 00:22:46,261 --> 00:22:47,538 I told you. 626 00:22:47,573 --> 00:22:50,127 [power shutting down] 627 00:22:50,161 --> 00:22:51,991 [bleep] you, man. I'm out of a job now. 628 00:22:53,441 --> 00:22:55,270 S... sorry, everybody. 629 00:22:58,722 --> 00:23:01,414 This set is pretty cool, isn't it?I love it. 630 00:23:01,449 --> 00:23:04,106 W-- do you think this is an authentic set 631 00:23:04,141 --> 00:23:06,385 to a teenage boy? 632 00:23:06,419 --> 00:23:07,696 Do I? Yeah. 633 00:23:07,731 --> 00:23:09,249 Well, I have pre-teen boys, 634 00:23:09,284 --> 00:23:11,562 um, and their room is a lot messier. 635 00:23:11,597 --> 00:23:13,771 [laughing]So this is actually pretty tidy. 636 00:23:13,806 --> 00:23:15,946 This is like-- this is like a sitcom boys room, I think. 637 00:23:15,980 --> 00:23:18,155 Um, well, so the model minority myth 638 00:23:18,189 --> 00:23:19,915 is kind of a specific stereotype that's-- 639 00:23:19,950 --> 00:23:21,710 that's usually put on, you know, some groups 640 00:23:21,745 --> 00:23:23,229 of Asian Americans, not others. 641 00:23:23,263 --> 00:23:24,541 There are other stereotypes 642 00:23:24,575 --> 00:23:26,405 that affects other Asian Americans, right? 643 00:23:26,439 --> 00:23:28,441 So the one I can think of is-- 644 00:23:28,476 --> 00:23:31,444 as the most significant right now since 9/11 645 00:23:31,479 --> 00:23:34,620 has been the stereotype of, you know, Muslims 646 00:23:34,654 --> 00:23:36,587 as being terrorists.[Adam] Right. 647 00:23:36,622 --> 00:23:38,624 And a lot of South Asians, you know, Arab Americans-- 648 00:23:38,658 --> 00:23:39,935 A lot of South Asians are Muslims. Right. 649 00:23:39,970 --> 00:23:42,973 So I think that stereotypes in the American society 650 00:23:43,007 --> 00:23:44,733 for racial minorities, 651 00:23:44,768 --> 00:23:46,770 you're only typecast in very few ways. 652 00:23:46,804 --> 00:23:48,116 But even those-- those stereotypes 653 00:23:48,150 --> 00:23:50,187 are not even internally consistent. 654 00:23:50,221 --> 00:23:52,776 Like, if someone says, "Asian Americans, they're all like this." 655 00:23:52,810 --> 00:23:54,122 Well, except for the stereotype 656 00:23:54,156 --> 00:23:56,504 that you're applying to a different group of people 657 00:23:56,538 --> 00:23:57,850 who are of Asian descent. 658 00:23:57,884 --> 00:24:00,197 The very idea of stereotyping people in that way 659 00:24:00,231 --> 00:24:01,819 doesn't hold up if you look at it 660 00:24:01,854 --> 00:24:03,476 with the smallest critical eye. 661 00:24:03,511 --> 00:24:05,823 Yeah, I think the problem just seems to be 662 00:24:05,858 --> 00:24:07,169 assumptions about people, you know? 663 00:24:07,204 --> 00:24:09,033 Whether it's about being a math-wiz 664 00:24:09,068 --> 00:24:11,829 or whether it's about being, like, a criminal? 665 00:24:11,864 --> 00:24:14,798 Those assumptions really have real consequences. 666 00:24:14,832 --> 00:24:17,386 Yeah.But the most useful thing we can do 667 00:24:17,421 --> 00:24:19,354 is to understand where they came from 668 00:24:19,388 --> 00:24:20,666 or why they exist. 669 00:24:20,700 --> 00:24:22,840 Then it's like, what do we do with that information? 670 00:24:22,875 --> 00:24:24,359 I think it's up to each of us. 671 00:24:24,393 --> 00:24:26,154 Thank you for coming on the show to help 672 00:24:26,188 --> 00:24:27,983 make us more aware of this.[both laugh] 673 00:24:28,018 --> 00:24:29,916 Thank you, it was a lot of fun. 674 00:24:29,966 --> 00:24:34,516 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 50186

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