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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,074 --> 00:00:07,041 Flaky corn tortilla chips... 2 00:00:07,076 --> 00:00:09,354 a shredded three-cheese blend... 3 00:00:09,388 --> 00:00:12,046 and a pound of crumbled bacon. 4 00:00:12,081 --> 00:00:13,737 And that's just phase one. 5 00:00:13,772 --> 00:00:15,187 [both chuckling] 6 00:00:15,222 --> 00:00:16,361 Looks yummy! 7 00:00:16,395 --> 00:00:18,501 I brought sparkling cider and almond milk. 8 00:00:18,535 --> 00:00:20,537 Note, they do not go together. 9 00:00:20,572 --> 00:00:23,713 Adam... what are you doing at bros' night? 10 00:00:23,747 --> 00:00:26,164 Emily invited me on your behalf. 11 00:00:26,198 --> 00:00:27,544 Great. 12 00:00:27,579 --> 00:00:29,857 But, buddy, you're just here to hang, right? 13 00:00:29,891 --> 00:00:32,894 Not to ruin anything for your TV show? 14 00:00:32,929 --> 00:00:35,828 Dude has a TV show? I watch TV! 15 00:00:35,863 --> 00:00:38,555 Yeah, but just here for funsies tonight. 16 00:00:38,590 --> 00:00:40,523 [electronic warbling tones] 17 00:00:40,557 --> 00:00:41,834 Ah... Eh... 18 00:00:41,869 --> 00:00:42,904 [warbling tones continue] 19 00:00:42,939 --> 00:00:43,940 Mm... 20 00:00:43,974 --> 00:00:45,148 [beeping] 21 00:00:45,183 --> 00:00:46,736 Actually... 22 00:00:46,770 --> 00:00:48,082 [buzzer]Seriously? 23 00:00:48,117 --> 00:00:49,187 My nachos? 24 00:00:49,221 --> 00:00:51,085 You're gonna spend an entire episode 25 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,571 of your TV show ruining a plate of nachos? 26 00:00:54,606 --> 00:00:56,090 No, I was just gonna say 27 00:00:56,125 --> 00:00:58,058 that nachos are a really interesting microcosm 28 00:00:58,092 --> 00:01:00,853 of all the problems with food in America today. 29 00:01:00,888 --> 00:01:02,683 No need to do the whole episode. 30 00:01:02,717 --> 00:01:05,375 Yo, I am hooked! Do the rest! 31 00:01:05,410 --> 00:01:06,963 Nope, 'cause Adam just said that-- 32 00:01:06,997 --> 00:01:09,103 Okay! Hi! I'm Adam Conover! 33 00:01:09,138 --> 00:01:11,105 And this is "Adam Ruins Everything." 34 00:01:11,140 --> 00:01:15,109 ♪♪ 35 00:01:18,802 --> 00:01:20,563 Closed Captions Provided by truTV 36 00:01:22,427 --> 00:01:24,429 I'm Blaze.Stove. 37 00:01:24,463 --> 00:01:27,432 Nice to meet you guys. It's my first boys' night. 38 00:01:27,466 --> 00:01:29,261 It's "bros' night." 39 00:01:29,296 --> 00:01:32,816 Whoa, Murph. That's a little pedantic. 40 00:01:32,851 --> 00:01:35,267 He's the one who's always fact-checking me! 41 00:01:36,613 --> 00:01:38,581 No. You know what? You're right. 42 00:01:39,168 --> 00:01:41,963 Adam, you are here. It is bros' night, 43 00:01:41,998 --> 00:01:44,138 so, please, bro yourself comfortable. 44 00:01:44,173 --> 00:01:47,003 'Cause you're just in time for... 45 00:01:47,037 --> 00:01:48,625 the guacdrop! 46 00:01:48,660 --> 00:01:49,971 Ha ha! 47 00:01:50,006 --> 00:01:51,835 ♪♪ 48 00:01:51,870 --> 00:01:55,391 G-g-g-g-g-g-guacdrop! 49 00:01:55,425 --> 00:01:58,428 Ooh, guacy-droppy! It's so sloppy! 50 00:01:58,463 --> 00:01:59,947 This is wild! 51 00:01:59,981 --> 00:02:01,673 But you know what's really far out? 52 00:02:01,707 --> 00:02:05,159 Mexican drug cartels have infiltrated the avocado trade. 53 00:02:05,194 --> 00:02:06,574 [music stops] 54 00:02:06,609 --> 00:02:08,473 Hold up. Drug cartels? 55 00:02:08,507 --> 00:02:10,647 Yup. It is a crazy story. 56 00:02:10,682 --> 00:02:12,580 ♪♪ 57 00:02:12,615 --> 00:02:14,962 No, Adam, at bro night, we watch "Game of Thro--" 58 00:02:16,343 --> 00:02:18,862 What? Are we in Mexico? Yup! 59 00:02:18,897 --> 00:02:20,485 You wanted to hear the twisted tale 60 00:02:20,519 --> 00:02:22,107 of how the drug cartels got involved 61 00:02:22,142 --> 00:02:23,833 in the avocado trade, right? 62 00:02:23,867 --> 00:02:25,283 No! 63 00:02:25,317 --> 00:02:26,939 Oh, we're here anyway. 64 00:02:26,974 --> 00:02:29,494 Americans can't get enough avocados. 65 00:02:29,528 --> 00:02:34,154 In 2017, we imported $2.6 billion worth of 'em. 66 00:02:34,188 --> 00:02:36,259 Nearly all of that from Mexico. 67 00:02:36,294 --> 00:02:39,435 But we weren't always goo-goo for the guac glop. 68 00:02:39,469 --> 00:02:42,852 In fact, Mexican avocados used to be banned in the U.S. 69 00:02:42,886 --> 00:02:46,959 until the lifting of a trade ban with Mexico in 1994. 70 00:02:46,994 --> 00:02:48,858 Okay, I've got your avocado toast, 71 00:02:48,892 --> 00:02:50,066 avocado smoothie, 72 00:02:50,100 --> 00:02:51,861 and avocado mimosa. 73 00:02:51,895 --> 00:02:53,966 Sorry that took a couple decades. 74 00:02:54,001 --> 00:02:57,211 America was eager to import cheap Mexican vegetables 75 00:02:57,246 --> 00:02:59,524 and export American staple crops. 76 00:02:59,558 --> 00:03:01,836 And Mexico was deep in debt, 77 00:03:01,871 --> 00:03:04,632 so the U.S. government offered to bail them out. 78 00:03:04,667 --> 00:03:08,222 But they demanded some big compromises. 79 00:03:08,257 --> 00:03:09,879 Okay, Mexico, if we're gonna trade, 80 00:03:09,913 --> 00:03:11,294 you gotta be more like us. 81 00:03:11,329 --> 00:03:13,262 More business, less taxes. 82 00:03:15,540 --> 00:03:17,093 But if I can't collect taxes, 83 00:03:17,127 --> 00:03:18,853 how am I supposed to run my country? 84 00:03:18,888 --> 00:03:21,062 Oh, relax, Tío Manuel. 85 00:03:21,097 --> 00:03:22,236 It'll be fine. 86 00:03:22,271 --> 00:03:23,927 But it wasn't fine. 87 00:03:23,962 --> 00:03:26,344 Since the Mexican government wasn't investing as much 88 00:03:26,378 --> 00:03:28,863 in local institutions, the cartels were able 89 00:03:28,898 --> 00:03:31,107 to strong-arm small-town police forces, 90 00:03:31,141 --> 00:03:35,353 pay off politicians, and just take over entire towns. 91 00:03:37,769 --> 00:03:42,394 I am the one who knocks... over your town's infrastructure. 92 00:03:42,429 --> 00:03:44,362 Who's the bad guy? 93 00:03:44,396 --> 00:03:46,502 The cartel dude or Uncle Sam? 94 00:03:46,536 --> 00:03:49,263 They both are, just in different ways. 95 00:03:49,298 --> 00:03:51,576 Okay? Keep up. 96 00:03:51,610 --> 00:03:53,336 But when the U.S. and Mexican governments 97 00:03:53,371 --> 00:03:55,131 started cracking down on the drug trade, 98 00:03:55,165 --> 00:03:58,099 the cartels needed to diversify their interests, 99 00:03:58,134 --> 00:04:00,447 which brings us to avocados. 100 00:04:00,481 --> 00:04:03,898 They want to crack down on my drugs? 101 00:04:03,933 --> 00:04:06,107 Fine! 102 00:04:06,142 --> 00:04:10,284 I'll prey on a legal trade, like avocados. 103 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:11,906 No! [grunts] 104 00:04:11,941 --> 00:04:13,460 Wait! I didn't say no! 105 00:04:13,494 --> 00:04:15,393 [growling] 106 00:04:15,427 --> 00:04:17,429 [laughing] 107 00:04:17,464 --> 00:04:19,569 Oh, my God. He bit through the pit. 108 00:04:19,604 --> 00:04:22,986 The cartels have gained so much power over avocado farming 109 00:04:23,021 --> 00:04:25,299 that, at one point, they were taking 30% 110 00:04:25,334 --> 00:04:30,787 of Mexico's avocado profits, often using violence to do it. 111 00:04:30,822 --> 00:04:32,444 This is the scariest shit I've ever seen! 112 00:04:32,479 --> 00:04:34,101 Isn't there anything the farmers can do? 113 00:04:34,135 --> 00:04:36,414 [man] Unfortunately, these farmers have very few options. 114 00:04:36,448 --> 00:04:37,553 Who said that? 115 00:04:37,587 --> 00:04:40,625 This is Rodrigo Canales, a professor at Yale 116 00:04:40,659 --> 00:04:43,317 who studied the business strategies of drug cartels. 117 00:04:43,352 --> 00:04:45,250 I'm wearing an underwire. 118 00:04:45,285 --> 00:04:47,632 Adam, for the last time, it's just a wire. 119 00:04:47,666 --> 00:04:49,737 An underwire is a completely different thing. 120 00:04:49,772 --> 00:04:52,775 In some places, the cartels have such a stranglehold 121 00:04:52,809 --> 00:04:54,570 over the Mexican avocado trade 122 00:04:54,604 --> 00:04:57,124 that farmers have very few options to opt out. 123 00:04:57,158 --> 00:04:59,644 So, every time I buy an avocado, 124 00:04:59,678 --> 00:05:02,094 I'm supporting a brutal crime ring? 125 00:05:02,129 --> 00:05:03,475 [whimpers] 126 00:05:03,510 --> 00:05:05,339 You could buy California avocados, 127 00:05:05,374 --> 00:05:07,168 but those are not available year-round. 128 00:05:07,203 --> 00:05:10,310 Most importantly, not buying Mexican avocados 129 00:05:10,344 --> 00:05:12,933 only further victimizes these communities. 130 00:05:12,967 --> 00:05:17,006 Some towns' entire economies are dependent on American imports. 131 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,802 And the avocado trade is only one small way 132 00:05:19,836 --> 00:05:22,183 in which these cartels benefit from Americans. 133 00:05:22,218 --> 00:05:25,048 Weak gun laws in the U.S. allow them to purchase 134 00:05:25,083 --> 00:05:28,362 military-grade American weapons that they then use 135 00:05:28,397 --> 00:05:29,605 to intimidate communities 136 00:05:29,639 --> 00:05:31,503 and overpower local police forcers. 137 00:05:31,538 --> 00:05:33,367 Byzantine immigration policies 138 00:05:33,402 --> 00:05:35,852 allow cartels to charge very steep fees 139 00:05:35,887 --> 00:05:38,199 for smuggling people across the border, 140 00:05:38,234 --> 00:05:41,375 even if those migrants have a legitimate reason to be here. 141 00:05:41,410 --> 00:05:44,033 And it's important to remember that it's still the case 142 00:05:44,067 --> 00:05:46,829 that cartels make the vast majority of their profits 143 00:05:46,863 --> 00:05:50,004 from selling illegal drugs to American consumers. 144 00:05:50,039 --> 00:05:51,834 So, Murph, the real problem 145 00:05:51,868 --> 00:05:54,181 isn't that Americans are eating too many avocados. 146 00:05:54,215 --> 00:05:58,461 It's that we need to fix our broken gun, drug, and immigration policies. 147 00:05:58,496 --> 00:06:01,878 Is this guy wearing an underwire? 148 00:06:01,913 --> 00:06:03,397 Told you so, Rodrigo! 149 00:06:03,432 --> 00:06:04,398 All right, muchachos! 150 00:06:04,433 --> 00:06:06,745 That was terrifying! 151 00:06:06,780 --> 00:06:08,368 No more! 152 00:06:10,300 --> 00:06:11,716 Wait, what are you guys doing? 153 00:06:11,750 --> 00:06:14,028 We've learned a lot from Adam's show. 154 00:06:14,063 --> 00:06:15,720 It left us conflicted about the predicament 155 00:06:15,754 --> 00:06:18,205 of the main character and our own moral choices. 156 00:06:18,239 --> 00:06:20,069 That's the mark of true prestige television. 157 00:06:20,103 --> 00:06:22,071 You got snubbed at the Emmys. 158 00:06:22,105 --> 00:06:24,660 So we're just gonna eat around the guac. 159 00:06:24,694 --> 00:06:26,593 Okay, thank you, Adam. 160 00:06:26,627 --> 00:06:28,560 Uh, luckily, there's still plenty of goodness 161 00:06:28,595 --> 00:06:32,253 all over these 'chos, like this big ol' bacon bite. 162 00:06:32,288 --> 00:06:34,911 Bacon makes everything better. 163 00:06:34,946 --> 00:06:36,361 Hate to be that guy, 164 00:06:36,396 --> 00:06:38,501 but bacon actually makes everything worse. 165 00:06:38,536 --> 00:06:40,814 You love to be that guy! 166 00:06:44,645 --> 00:06:47,407 Adam, you cannot ruin bacon. 167 00:06:47,441 --> 00:06:51,411 Bacon is not just the key ingredient to my nachos. 168 00:06:51,445 --> 00:06:52,757 It's my thing. 169 00:06:52,791 --> 00:06:54,793 Oh, yeah, dude! Same shirt! 170 00:06:54,828 --> 00:06:56,968 Everything's better with bacon. 171 00:06:57,002 --> 00:07:00,420 I too love the flavor combination of animal fat and salt. 172 00:07:00,454 --> 00:07:03,146 But the only reason bacon became a pop culture meme factory 173 00:07:03,181 --> 00:07:06,564 is that the pork industry waged a massive marketing campaign 174 00:07:06,598 --> 00:07:08,255 to pump our bellies full of pig parts 175 00:07:08,289 --> 00:07:10,947 and to cover up the health risks. 176 00:07:10,982 --> 00:07:13,881 Oh, sure, it's a big pig conspiracy. 177 00:07:13,916 --> 00:07:15,089 Give it up, Adam. 178 00:07:15,124 --> 00:07:17,540 Nobody cares if bacon's a little fatty or whatever. 179 00:07:17,575 --> 00:07:20,578 Oh, lots of people cared 30 years ago. 180 00:07:20,612 --> 00:07:22,476 [all screaming] 181 00:07:22,511 --> 00:07:25,997 In the fat-phobic '80s, the Pork Board was able 182 00:07:26,031 --> 00:07:29,276 to market the heck out of the leaner cuts of the pig, 183 00:07:29,310 --> 00:07:31,451 such as the tenderloin.[pig squeals] 184 00:07:31,485 --> 00:07:35,109 Okay, which fit person got the other white meat? 185 00:07:35,144 --> 00:07:37,457 Oh, me. Me! 186 00:07:37,491 --> 00:07:39,942 Aww, a meat queue. 187 00:07:39,976 --> 00:07:42,669 If you ask me, the '80s were the height of low fat 188 00:07:42,703 --> 00:07:44,464 and the golden age of rom-com. 189 00:07:44,498 --> 00:07:47,121 But the Pork Board couldn't figure out how to sell 190 00:07:47,156 --> 00:07:51,091 the largest part of the pig, the fat-filled pork belly, 191 00:07:51,125 --> 00:07:53,162 which is where cuts like bacon come from. 192 00:07:53,196 --> 00:07:54,612 Anybody want this? 193 00:07:54,646 --> 00:07:57,477 Hmm? Hello?! Eww! 194 00:07:57,511 --> 00:08:00,445 So, to solve their big, fat problem, 195 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,378 they teamed up with the fast-food industry 196 00:08:02,412 --> 00:08:05,312 to create a bacon bonanza. 197 00:08:05,346 --> 00:08:07,487 Like so many American mistakes, 198 00:08:07,521 --> 00:08:11,111 the plan was conceived poolside in Orlando. 199 00:08:11,145 --> 00:08:12,457 In the early 1990s, 200 00:08:12,492 --> 00:08:14,701 the Pork Board's national marketing manager 201 00:08:14,735 --> 00:08:18,049 was schmoozing with Hardee's president Bob Autry. 202 00:08:18,083 --> 00:08:19,602 Now, what the hell am I gonna do 203 00:08:19,637 --> 00:08:21,052 with all this pork belly? 204 00:08:21,086 --> 00:08:22,502 Nobody wants to eat it! 205 00:08:22,536 --> 00:08:24,883 Oh, I'll make them want it. 206 00:08:24,918 --> 00:08:26,506 I'm gonna come up with a sandwich 207 00:08:26,540 --> 00:08:28,611 with the grease dropping down their chin, 208 00:08:28,646 --> 00:08:31,338 and we'll see what they say. 209 00:08:31,372 --> 00:08:33,167 Gross. 210 00:08:33,202 --> 00:08:34,824 But also delicious maybe. 211 00:08:34,859 --> 00:08:36,619 After this meeting, Hardee's debuted 212 00:08:36,654 --> 00:08:39,346 the game-changing Frisco Burger. 213 00:08:39,380 --> 00:08:41,244 [announcer on TV] Introducing Hardee's Frisco Burger. 214 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:44,800 Melted Swiss, sizzling bacon, and sliced tomatoes. 215 00:08:44,834 --> 00:08:47,527 It wasn't long before other fast-food joints 216 00:08:47,561 --> 00:08:50,495 got in on the greasy animal-fat action. 217 00:08:50,530 --> 00:08:53,567 It's a bacon club Chalupa. Guys love bacon. 218 00:08:53,602 --> 00:08:57,847 [announcer on TV] With bacon strips, bacon jam, and bacon crumbles. 219 00:08:57,882 --> 00:09:00,505 The smell of fresh-cooked bacon. 220 00:09:00,540 --> 00:09:02,196 It just moves you. 221 00:09:02,231 --> 00:09:03,888 Come try a Wendy's Baconator. 222 00:09:03,922 --> 00:09:05,683 And finally, after years 223 00:09:05,717 --> 00:09:08,030 of being told how epic bacon is, 224 00:09:08,064 --> 00:09:10,860 we turned it into a pop culture phenomenon. 225 00:09:10,895 --> 00:09:13,035 There's bacon cupcakes, bacon bars, 226 00:09:13,069 --> 00:09:14,726 bacon lip balm, Baconnaise, 227 00:09:14,761 --> 00:09:17,246 bacon soda, bacon bandages, bacon lube, 228 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,351 bacon wrapping paper, bacon air freshener, 229 00:09:19,386 --> 00:09:21,871 and even bacon film festivals. 230 00:09:21,906 --> 00:09:25,185 The fad was so huge that, in 2008, 231 00:09:25,219 --> 00:09:28,429 seven out of every million baby boys were named... 232 00:09:28,464 --> 00:09:30,604 [both] Bacon![baby cries] 233 00:09:30,639 --> 00:09:32,433 Oh, I just love love. 234 00:09:32,468 --> 00:09:35,091 So I built my entire personality 235 00:09:35,126 --> 00:09:36,576 around liking bacon 236 00:09:36,610 --> 00:09:39,061 because the Pork Board told me to? 237 00:09:39,095 --> 00:09:40,269 Pretty much. 238 00:09:40,303 --> 00:09:43,030 But while they were shoving bacon down our throats, 239 00:09:43,065 --> 00:09:46,931 they neglected to mention that bacon can cause cancer. 240 00:09:49,243 --> 00:09:51,073 There is overwhelming evidence 241 00:09:51,107 --> 00:09:53,627 that consuming processed meats, like bacon, 242 00:09:53,662 --> 00:09:55,940 increases your risk of cancer. 243 00:09:55,974 --> 00:09:59,944 Health groups even rank them a group-1 known carcinogen. 244 00:09:59,978 --> 00:10:03,775 Even if you eat just one club sandwich or hot dog a day, 245 00:10:03,810 --> 00:10:05,466 estimates show it increases your risk 246 00:10:05,501 --> 00:10:08,918 of colorectal cancer by 20%. 247 00:10:08,953 --> 00:10:10,713 [bell dings] 248 00:10:10,748 --> 00:10:14,096 Aww, but I'm so good at eating hot dogs. 249 00:10:14,130 --> 00:10:16,132 Someone must warn Kobayashi. 250 00:10:16,167 --> 00:10:18,963 Processed meats have also been linked to obesity, 251 00:10:18,997 --> 00:10:21,413 diabetes, and heart disease. 252 00:10:21,448 --> 00:10:23,450 But Big Meat is fighting like hell 253 00:10:23,484 --> 00:10:25,417 to make sure you don't hear about it. 254 00:10:25,452 --> 00:10:26,522 [doorbell rings] 255 00:10:26,556 --> 00:10:29,318 Hey! Stop that, you little punk! 256 00:10:29,352 --> 00:10:31,527 Let me talk to you for a second, huh? 257 00:10:31,561 --> 00:10:33,287 [metallic scraping] 258 00:10:33,322 --> 00:10:36,152 The pork and beef industries have known since the '70s 259 00:10:36,187 --> 00:10:38,948 that their food poses serious health concerns. 260 00:10:38,983 --> 00:10:40,605 But they've bullied the USDA 261 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,434 and Department of Health and Human Services 262 00:10:42,469 --> 00:10:44,471 into downplaying the risks. 263 00:10:44,505 --> 00:10:47,957 In 1977, these guys were basically allowed 264 00:10:47,992 --> 00:10:50,995 to make their own line edits to the U.S. Dietary Guidelines. 265 00:10:51,029 --> 00:10:52,686 See that word? 266 00:10:52,721 --> 00:10:55,275 [Adam] The chairman of the National Cattlemen's Association 267 00:10:55,309 --> 00:10:57,139 even pressured them into removing 268 00:10:57,173 --> 00:10:59,520 any reference to decreasing meat consumption. 269 00:10:59,555 --> 00:11:01,453 We don't like that word. 270 00:11:01,488 --> 00:11:03,490 [metallic scraping] 271 00:11:03,524 --> 00:11:05,699 Is he gonna chop his finger off?Worse. 272 00:11:05,734 --> 00:11:07,528 He's gonna hit him with the lobbying money. 273 00:11:07,563 --> 00:11:09,185 [cash register bell dings] 274 00:11:09,220 --> 00:11:11,947 ♪♪ 275 00:11:11,981 --> 00:11:16,123 Here. Buy yourself something nice. 276 00:11:16,158 --> 00:11:17,677 When the U.S. was gearing up 277 00:11:17,711 --> 00:11:20,024 to write its 2015 Dietary Guidelines, 278 00:11:20,058 --> 00:11:23,890 the meat industry spent approximately $10.8 million 279 00:11:23,924 --> 00:11:26,306 in contributions to political campaigns, 280 00:11:26,340 --> 00:11:28,722 and another $6.9 million in lobbying. 281 00:11:30,517 --> 00:11:32,519 Oh, hi. Sorry. 282 00:11:32,553 --> 00:11:35,867 It's, uh, cold in here, and I'm... really scared. 283 00:11:35,902 --> 00:11:37,558 [all screaming] 284 00:11:37,593 --> 00:11:39,422 [all gasp] 285 00:11:39,457 --> 00:11:40,734 Wow! 286 00:11:40,769 --> 00:11:42,391 I can't believe my love of bacon 287 00:11:42,425 --> 00:11:44,738 was manufactured by a capitalist conspiracy. 288 00:11:44,773 --> 00:11:46,740 And to think, we've been wearing these silly shirts 289 00:11:46,775 --> 00:11:48,811 that normalize a known carcinogen. 290 00:11:48,846 --> 00:11:50,502 I mean, maybe instead of Murph's nachos, 291 00:11:50,537 --> 00:11:54,023 we should eat, I don't know... vegetables. 292 00:11:54,058 --> 00:11:56,854 Over my bacon-clogged body. 293 00:11:56,888 --> 00:11:59,753 At the very least, we'll eat good, old-fashioned, 294 00:11:59,788 --> 00:12:02,273 boring ol' cheese on chips. 295 00:12:02,307 --> 00:12:04,068 Does that work, Adam?Of course. 296 00:12:04,102 --> 00:12:06,518 Unless anyone here is lactose intolerant. 297 00:12:06,553 --> 00:12:07,727 Mm-mm. 298 00:12:07,761 --> 00:12:09,418 Great. Just checking, though. 299 00:12:09,452 --> 00:12:12,593 There isn't, like, a dark truth about corn chips? 300 00:12:12,628 --> 00:12:14,595 Actually, yeah, there is. 301 00:12:14,630 --> 00:12:16,908 Corn is destroying the American diet 302 00:12:16,943 --> 00:12:18,772 and the environment. 303 00:12:18,807 --> 00:12:20,498 [screams] 304 00:12:23,466 --> 00:12:25,814 How can you have that strong of an opinion about corn chips? 305 00:12:26,124 --> 00:12:28,437 I, for one, think corn chips are fine! 306 00:12:29,162 --> 00:12:31,267 Murph, you're screaming right now, dude. 307 00:12:31,302 --> 00:12:33,649 Sorry, Murph, but the horrible truth 308 00:12:33,683 --> 00:12:35,651 is that corn is the twisted root 309 00:12:35,685 --> 00:12:38,619 of everything that's wrong with America's food system. 310 00:12:40,587 --> 00:12:45,385 The average American consumes 1 ton of corn per year. 311 00:12:45,419 --> 00:12:46,593 [whistling] 312 00:12:48,906 --> 00:12:51,149 Hi, I'd like to file a claim. 313 00:12:51,184 --> 00:12:53,289 Oh, geez. Stove's bike. 314 00:12:53,324 --> 00:12:55,498 How could we possibly be eating so much corn? 315 00:12:55,533 --> 00:12:57,224 Well, we didn't always. 316 00:12:57,259 --> 00:13:01,056 Corn used to be just one crop of many on small family farms, 317 00:13:01,090 --> 00:13:04,473 and the government actually paid farmers to grow less of it. 318 00:13:04,507 --> 00:13:06,751 That's a mighty fine crop of corn you got there. 319 00:13:06,786 --> 00:13:07,994 Since you got such a big harvest, 320 00:13:08,028 --> 00:13:09,064 what do you say I pay you 321 00:13:09,098 --> 00:13:10,410 to take it easy next season? 322 00:13:10,444 --> 00:13:12,101 Yeah, I reckon that makes a ton of sense 323 00:13:12,136 --> 00:13:15,622 if we want to keep corn prices stable in this economy. 324 00:13:15,656 --> 00:13:18,590 I'm getting teary-eyed at how much I respect that simple life. 325 00:13:18,625 --> 00:13:20,144 Well, all that changed 326 00:13:20,178 --> 00:13:22,077 when a bunch of agribusiness bigwigs 327 00:13:22,111 --> 00:13:24,320 decided they could use government corn subsidies 328 00:13:24,355 --> 00:13:26,978 to turn a profit. 329 00:13:27,013 --> 00:13:29,947 [sinister laughter echoing] 330 00:13:34,020 --> 00:13:37,333 [gasps]Hello, American corn farmer. 331 00:13:37,368 --> 00:13:41,199 In 1971, Richard Nixon made agribusiness crony 332 00:13:41,234 --> 00:13:44,927 Early "Rusty" Butz his Secretary of Agriculture. 333 00:13:44,962 --> 00:13:47,102 And Butz believed that, no matter what, 334 00:13:47,136 --> 00:13:49,104 more corn meant better business. 335 00:13:49,138 --> 00:13:51,313 Wait, I'm sorry. I can't get past the fact 336 00:13:51,347 --> 00:13:53,833 that his name was "Rusty" Butz. 337 00:13:53,867 --> 00:13:55,317 Murph, focus. 338 00:13:55,351 --> 00:13:57,871 Butz was big... into corn! 339 00:13:57,906 --> 00:14:00,460 He started paying farmers to plant corn 340 00:14:00,494 --> 00:14:04,360 over their entire farms, from fencerow to fencerow. 341 00:14:04,395 --> 00:14:07,639 My, what a big harvest you have. 342 00:14:07,674 --> 00:14:08,951 What do you say I pay you 343 00:14:08,986 --> 00:14:11,816 to grow way more next season? 344 00:14:11,851 --> 00:14:14,715 Gee, does forcing a surplus really make much sense 345 00:14:14,750 --> 00:14:17,684 if we want to keep corn prices stable in this economy? 346 00:14:17,718 --> 00:14:19,134 Oh, don't worry. 347 00:14:19,168 --> 00:14:21,895 I have a plan! 348 00:14:21,930 --> 00:14:23,897 [thunder crack][laughing] 349 00:14:23,932 --> 00:14:25,865 Before Butz, in 1970, 350 00:14:25,899 --> 00:14:29,178 we produced just 4.1 billion bushels of corn. 351 00:14:29,213 --> 00:14:30,352 [bell dings] 352 00:14:30,386 --> 00:14:34,321 But by 2017, that number had nearly quadrupled. 353 00:14:34,356 --> 00:14:37,083 [slide whistle ascending note, bird screeches] 354 00:14:37,117 --> 00:14:39,844 And agribusiness came up with places to stuff that corn 355 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:41,984 you wouldn't even dream of. 356 00:14:42,019 --> 00:14:45,919 A major food processing company called Archer Daniels Midland 357 00:14:45,954 --> 00:14:49,923 had a vested interest in Butz's corn surplus scheme. 358 00:14:49,958 --> 00:14:51,683 ADM wanted to use corn 359 00:14:51,718 --> 00:14:54,859 to make more processed food for less money, 360 00:14:54,894 --> 00:14:56,896 and they did it with the help of a new invention 361 00:14:56,930 --> 00:14:58,932 called high-fructose corn syrup. 362 00:14:58,967 --> 00:15:01,693 Aha! [bell dings] 363 00:15:01,728 --> 00:15:02,867 Oh, yes! 364 00:15:02,902 --> 00:15:05,628 Oh, we'll put it in soda and ketchup 365 00:15:05,663 --> 00:15:08,631 and bread and deli meat! 366 00:15:08,666 --> 00:15:11,255 And that's only the beginning. 367 00:15:11,289 --> 00:15:14,568 Wait, there's corn in our meat? Oh, yes. 368 00:15:14,603 --> 00:15:19,021 And that's where this corn story gets truly horrifying. 369 00:15:19,056 --> 00:15:21,023 The corn surplus let farmers switch 370 00:15:21,058 --> 00:15:23,060 from grazing animals in pastures 371 00:15:23,094 --> 00:15:25,614 to a much cheaper feeding method. 372 00:15:25,648 --> 00:15:30,481 Concentrated animal feeding operations, or CAFOs. 373 00:15:30,515 --> 00:15:33,933 Most livestock in this country are now packed into cages 374 00:15:33,967 --> 00:15:37,315 and fed corn all day long, filling our diets 375 00:15:37,350 --> 00:15:41,147 with unhealthy corny meat, and worse, our land and water 376 00:15:41,181 --> 00:15:45,082 with massive amounts of corn-filled poop. 377 00:15:45,116 --> 00:15:47,291 Just one CAFO facility 378 00:15:47,325 --> 00:15:50,604 can produce more waste than an entire city. 379 00:15:50,639 --> 00:15:52,986 Each year, North Carolina's pigs produce 380 00:15:53,021 --> 00:15:56,748 almost 10 billion gallons of feces and urine. 381 00:15:56,783 --> 00:16:01,098 That's enough to fill 15,000 Olympic-sized swimming pools. 382 00:16:01,132 --> 00:16:02,858 And all of it has to go somewhere. 383 00:16:02,892 --> 00:16:04,964 Billions of gallons of corn-fed poop 384 00:16:04,998 --> 00:16:07,242 is sprayed over fields as fertilizer, 385 00:16:07,276 --> 00:16:09,071 held in lagoons that seep disease 386 00:16:09,106 --> 00:16:11,763 and heavy metals into our groundwater, 387 00:16:11,798 --> 00:16:15,181 or just trucked away and dumped into rivers. 388 00:16:15,215 --> 00:16:16,630 All of that poop, 389 00:16:16,665 --> 00:16:18,839 along with corn fertilizer runoff, 390 00:16:18,874 --> 00:16:22,119 causes algae blooms that kill fish and plants. 391 00:16:22,153 --> 00:16:24,673 Agricultural runoff traveling from the Corn Belt 392 00:16:24,707 --> 00:16:28,263 down the Mississippi River has actually created a dead zone 393 00:16:28,297 --> 00:16:31,956 in the Gulf of Mexico the size of New Jersey. 394 00:16:31,991 --> 00:16:34,959 Corn poop pollution has gotten so bad, 395 00:16:34,994 --> 00:16:38,514 it's actually a massive contributor to climate change. 396 00:16:38,549 --> 00:16:40,689 Over 1/3 of methane emissions 397 00:16:40,723 --> 00:16:43,036 and more than half of nitrous oxide emissions 398 00:16:43,071 --> 00:16:46,212 come from farm animals' digestive tracts. 399 00:16:46,246 --> 00:16:49,491 And our government is doing virtually nothing about it. 400 00:16:49,525 --> 00:16:53,115 The EPA knew for 11 years that CAFO emissions 401 00:16:53,150 --> 00:16:56,118 are most likely in violation of the Clean Air Act, 402 00:16:56,153 --> 00:16:59,984 but they've never held these big corporate farms accountable. 403 00:17:00,019 --> 00:17:04,057 All that corn going into our processed food and meat 404 00:17:04,092 --> 00:17:07,405 has turned what was once a small part of American farming 405 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,305 into our main agricultural product. 406 00:17:10,339 --> 00:17:14,550 In 2017, the average American consumed 41 pounds 407 00:17:14,585 --> 00:17:16,138 of high-fructose corn syrup. 408 00:17:16,173 --> 00:17:17,898 [coughing] 409 00:17:17,933 --> 00:17:20,073 Guys! We gotta do something! 410 00:17:20,108 --> 00:17:23,007 The corn! It's coming for us! 411 00:17:23,042 --> 00:17:26,873 [screaming] 412 00:17:29,703 --> 00:17:32,948 In the average grocery store, more than 11,000 products 413 00:17:32,982 --> 00:17:35,019 contain some form of corn. 414 00:17:35,054 --> 00:17:38,333 Vitamins, trash bags, toothpaste, 415 00:17:38,367 --> 00:17:40,680 charcoal, matches, batteries. 416 00:17:40,714 --> 00:17:43,062 Even the shine on the cover of magazines 417 00:17:43,096 --> 00:17:46,168 and the outside of cucumbers is made from corn. 418 00:17:46,203 --> 00:17:48,791 There's corn on my cukes? [screams] 419 00:17:48,826 --> 00:17:51,277 And on your mags! 420 00:17:51,311 --> 00:17:53,589 Americans are so full of corn, 421 00:17:53,624 --> 00:17:56,903 it can actually be seen in our cells... 422 00:17:56,937 --> 00:17:59,975 on a molecular level. 423 00:18:00,009 --> 00:18:01,839 [gasps] I'm corn? 424 00:18:04,255 --> 00:18:06,878 Nooo! 425 00:18:06,913 --> 00:18:08,880 [thunder rumbling] 426 00:18:08,915 --> 00:18:12,298 That's it. I'm never making nachos again! 427 00:18:12,332 --> 00:18:14,369 Bros' night is over!Actually-- 428 00:18:14,403 --> 00:18:16,647 No! Just stop talking! 429 00:18:16,681 --> 00:18:18,821 You're not even a real bro, Adam! 430 00:18:18,856 --> 00:18:20,651 Whoa, Murph. 431 00:18:20,685 --> 00:18:24,206 I'm sure Adam has some kind of act-four takeaway coming up 432 00:18:24,241 --> 00:18:27,589 that's gonna make us all feel better and less powerless. 433 00:18:27,623 --> 00:18:28,935 Actually, I do. 434 00:18:28,969 --> 00:18:30,557 You really know your TV, Blaze. 435 00:18:30,592 --> 00:18:32,111 Thanks. [coughs] 436 00:18:35,838 --> 00:18:38,979 [sobbing] All I wanted was to eat 'chos with my bros, 437 00:18:39,463 --> 00:18:41,637 and Adam made me feel like 438 00:18:41,672 --> 00:18:44,399 all of these problems with our food 439 00:18:44,433 --> 00:18:46,608 are all my fault! 440 00:18:46,642 --> 00:18:48,541 [chips crunching] 441 00:18:51,164 --> 00:18:53,304 Are you kidding me? 442 00:18:53,339 --> 00:18:56,652 You're eating the nachos?! 443 00:18:56,687 --> 00:18:59,931 Well, you gotta eat something, and the truth is, 444 00:18:59,966 --> 00:19:02,279 we don't have as much control as we think we do 445 00:19:02,313 --> 00:19:04,522 over what foods hit our plates. 446 00:19:04,557 --> 00:19:07,456 Our global food economy is a mess, but, Murph, 447 00:19:07,491 --> 00:19:09,044 that's "nacho" fault. 448 00:19:09,078 --> 00:19:10,252 Nice. 449 00:19:10,287 --> 00:19:12,151 Trade policies, health regulations, 450 00:19:12,185 --> 00:19:15,188 subsidies, all of these things affect whether or not 451 00:19:15,223 --> 00:19:18,536 fresh and healthy foods are available or affordable. 452 00:19:18,571 --> 00:19:21,263 [sniffling] Yeah, eating healthy is expensive. 453 00:19:21,298 --> 00:19:24,784 When I go to Whole Foods, it's more like whole paycheck. 454 00:19:24,818 --> 00:19:26,199 [laughter] 455 00:19:26,234 --> 00:19:27,959 Murph, you're hilarious. 456 00:19:27,994 --> 00:19:30,169 Yeah, did you just think of that? 457 00:19:30,203 --> 00:19:32,447 Yeah, for a lot of people, cheap, unhealthy, 458 00:19:32,481 --> 00:19:34,656 processed foods made of subsidized corn 459 00:19:34,690 --> 00:19:36,727 are the only affordable option. 460 00:19:36,761 --> 00:19:38,073 A recent study found 461 00:19:38,107 --> 00:19:41,559 that $1 buys 1,200 calories of chips and cookies, 462 00:19:41,594 --> 00:19:45,322 but only 250 calories of whole foods like carrots. 463 00:19:45,356 --> 00:19:46,564 That's shocking. 464 00:19:46,599 --> 00:19:48,670 Murph, I'm so glad you brought this up. 465 00:19:48,704 --> 00:19:51,086 Yeah, seems like Murph is saying that, 466 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:53,640 if we as a society decided to subsidize 467 00:19:53,675 --> 00:19:57,023 healthier fruits and veggies and had more transparency 468 00:19:57,057 --> 00:19:59,301 about what goes in our processed food and meats, 469 00:19:59,336 --> 00:20:01,096 we'd have healthier food options, 470 00:20:01,130 --> 00:20:03,029 and our environment would be healthier too. 471 00:20:03,063 --> 00:20:06,343 Ahh.Uh... yeah, exactly. 472 00:20:06,377 --> 00:20:08,828 And the most important thing isn't what you buy. 473 00:20:08,862 --> 00:20:10,657 It's who you vote for. 474 00:20:10,692 --> 00:20:12,487 Most food production is regulated 475 00:20:12,521 --> 00:20:15,248 by a piece of legislation called the Farm Bill, 476 00:20:15,283 --> 00:20:17,664 which gets reauthorized twice a decade, 477 00:20:17,699 --> 00:20:21,703 and the U.S. Dietary Guidelines are rewritten every five years. 478 00:20:21,737 --> 00:20:24,706 So be aware of these issues and support elected officials 479 00:20:24,740 --> 00:20:27,709 who will have your interests at heart when the time comes. 480 00:20:27,743 --> 00:20:30,712 And in the meantime, sometimes, occasionally, 481 00:20:30,746 --> 00:20:33,922 within moderation, we can... have nachos? 482 00:20:33,956 --> 00:20:36,925 Yeah, with a little less bacon, though. 483 00:20:36,959 --> 00:20:38,237 [bell dings]Oh! Yeah. 484 00:20:41,067 --> 00:20:43,725 Here. I made another batch. 485 00:20:43,759 --> 00:20:45,382 Hey. 486 00:20:45,416 --> 00:20:46,728 Thanks, bro. 487 00:20:49,489 --> 00:20:53,735 ♪♪ 488 00:20:53,769 --> 00:20:55,875 Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. 489 00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:57,601 These are better than mine, aren't they? 490 00:20:57,635 --> 00:20:59,119 No. No. What? No. 491 00:20:59,154 --> 00:21:01,190 Adam's nachos suck. 492 00:21:04,642 --> 00:21:07,162 Hey, Rodrigo. So I'm backstage on our set. 493 00:21:07,196 --> 00:21:10,476 Thank you so much for chatting with us from your secure location. 494 00:21:10,510 --> 00:21:12,305 This is not really a secure location. 495 00:21:12,340 --> 00:21:14,411 This is actually my office, um, in New Haven 496 00:21:14,445 --> 00:21:15,964 at the Yale School of Management. 497 00:21:15,998 --> 00:21:17,552 But thank you, Adam, for the invitation. 498 00:21:17,586 --> 00:21:19,899 [laughing] Okay, well, thanks for-- 499 00:21:19,933 --> 00:21:21,935 thanks for ruining the illusion of our show. 500 00:21:21,970 --> 00:21:23,178 I really appreciate it. 501 00:21:23,212 --> 00:21:27,182 Why would the cartels get into avocados to begin with? 502 00:21:27,216 --> 00:21:29,288 I mean, of all the things, why avocados? 503 00:21:29,322 --> 00:21:31,462 Why not some other illegal trade? 504 00:21:31,497 --> 00:21:33,809 Well, I mean, one of the things we have to understand 505 00:21:33,844 --> 00:21:36,605 is that they already are in other illegal trades. 506 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,470 If there are other things going around that are also valuable, 507 00:21:39,505 --> 00:21:41,265 then it's kind of like, "Why not?" 508 00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:42,853 Like, I'm already here. I've already spent 509 00:21:42,887 --> 00:21:46,305 a lot of energy and resources trying to control this territory 510 00:21:46,339 --> 00:21:49,929 and there's a very valuable market for avocados 511 00:21:49,963 --> 00:21:52,345 that I can get a piece of, then I will as well. 512 00:21:52,380 --> 00:21:56,038 But another reason is that it can be a very helpful way 513 00:21:56,073 --> 00:21:59,628 to diversify, um, how they launder money. 514 00:21:59,663 --> 00:22:03,460 So, in the U.S., most of what we know about drug cartels 515 00:22:03,494 --> 00:22:07,429 comes from, you know, prestige hour-long drama television shows. 516 00:22:07,464 --> 00:22:09,707 What is the biggest misconception 517 00:22:09,742 --> 00:22:13,332 that you think people get from that sort of television about this problem? 518 00:22:13,366 --> 00:22:14,988 When you frame the drug problem 519 00:22:15,023 --> 00:22:18,958 as this rogue, you know, kingpin who's running a business 520 00:22:18,992 --> 00:22:21,132 and who's just this, you know, crazy criminal-- 521 00:22:21,167 --> 00:22:22,996 Right, the guy I've seen on TV doing meth 522 00:22:23,031 --> 00:22:24,135 and screaming at everybody 523 00:22:24,170 --> 00:22:25,378 and, like, stabbing people with knives. 524 00:22:25,413 --> 00:22:26,828 That guy. Right. 525 00:22:26,862 --> 00:22:28,726 Then if that's how you conceptualize 526 00:22:28,761 --> 00:22:31,142 why we have a drug-- a drug trade problem, 527 00:22:31,177 --> 00:22:34,180 then the solution is, go, please go catch that guy. 528 00:22:34,214 --> 00:22:37,183 But when we understand that this is a systematic problem, 529 00:22:37,217 --> 00:22:39,358 a structural problem where we have demand, 530 00:22:39,392 --> 00:22:41,394 and therefore there's gonna be supply, 531 00:22:41,429 --> 00:22:43,638 it doesn't matter how many of these people you eradicate. 532 00:22:43,672 --> 00:22:45,709 There's always gonna be somebody else who's gonna come up. 533 00:22:45,743 --> 00:22:49,057 And so the more we fight these organizations only through force 534 00:22:49,091 --> 00:22:51,853 and we retain the structural characteristics of the market, 535 00:22:51,887 --> 00:22:54,373 the more we create an evolutionary dynamic 536 00:22:54,407 --> 00:22:56,236 where the organizations have to become 537 00:22:56,271 --> 00:22:59,205 increasingly sophisticated, increasingly well-organized, 538 00:22:59,239 --> 00:23:01,725 increasingly well-armed, increasingly aggressive. 539 00:23:01,759 --> 00:23:03,036 So, the more we fight with force, 540 00:23:03,071 --> 00:23:05,176 until we address the structural problems, 541 00:23:05,211 --> 00:23:06,661 it just makes the problem worse. 542 00:23:06,695 --> 00:23:08,179 Exactly. 543 00:23:08,214 --> 00:23:09,422 Does that mean we need to, you know, 544 00:23:09,457 --> 00:23:11,355 create a legal market for these drugs? 545 00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:12,667 Is that what you advocate? 546 00:23:12,701 --> 00:23:14,703 There are only two ways in which you can resolve 547 00:23:14,738 --> 00:23:17,188 the incoherence between the regulation and behavior. 548 00:23:17,223 --> 00:23:19,052 You either go the Singapore route, 549 00:23:19,087 --> 00:23:21,192 where they have aligned enforcement 550 00:23:21,227 --> 00:23:22,711 at all levels of the market, 551 00:23:22,746 --> 00:23:26,853 and they have extremely strict enforcement on consumption... 552 00:23:26,888 --> 00:23:30,236 or you go the Portugal route, which has kind of decided 553 00:23:30,270 --> 00:23:32,721 to regulate every aspect of the drug market, 554 00:23:32,756 --> 00:23:35,137 which is what we did with alcohol, for example, 555 00:23:35,172 --> 00:23:37,588 when we saw the impacts of prohibition. 556 00:23:37,623 --> 00:23:39,694 A third thing that we can do is 557 00:23:39,728 --> 00:23:41,903 make Americans much more aware 558 00:23:41,937 --> 00:23:46,079 of the actual impact of their behavioral decisions. 559 00:23:46,114 --> 00:23:49,462 Every time you choose to consume an illegal drug, 560 00:23:49,497 --> 00:23:51,878 given our current policy, 561 00:23:51,913 --> 00:23:55,606 you are directly contributing to somebody's death. 562 00:23:55,641 --> 00:23:58,782 There's no kind of indirect link there. 563 00:23:58,816 --> 00:24:01,094 That's a really strong statement.You are personally contributing. 564 00:24:01,129 --> 00:24:02,406 It's-- I-- And I have no-- 565 00:24:02,441 --> 00:24:04,063 I have no reservations in making it. 566 00:24:04,097 --> 00:24:06,168 People have to be aware that, 567 00:24:06,203 --> 00:24:10,138 when you kind of decide to consume cocaine, 568 00:24:10,172 --> 00:24:14,107 you are directly contributing to somebody's death in Mexico... 569 00:24:14,142 --> 00:24:15,488 [Adam] Wow....um, in a town somewhere, 570 00:24:15,523 --> 00:24:17,801 or somewhere else in Latin America. 571 00:24:17,835 --> 00:24:20,631 If I were-- If I did cocaine, which I do not, 572 00:24:20,666 --> 00:24:22,771 I would think about that very hard before I did it 573 00:24:22,806 --> 00:24:24,186 the next time, I'll tell you that. 574 00:24:24,221 --> 00:24:25,740 Well, thank you so much for coming on 575 00:24:25,774 --> 00:24:27,086 to talk to us about this, Rodrigo. 576 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:28,950 Really appreciate it.No, this is my pleasure. 577 00:24:28,984 --> 00:24:30,572 I really appreciate your interest in this, 578 00:24:30,607 --> 00:24:32,540 and hopefully this helps change some people's minds. 579 00:24:32,590 --> 00:24:37,140 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 44229

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