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(LAUGHTER)
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Oh, Melinda, spectacular job.
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Dare I say, we've never
had a fountain unveiling
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go off as smoothly as this.
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And your design,
it's original, yet classic.
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Gil... (LAUGHS)
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Adam, how does it feel to be
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on the arm of the future of fountains?
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I've never been happier.
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In fact, I've never had a single
doubt about our relationship.
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Oh, do I hear wedding
fountains in your future?
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Gil, stop trying to predict the future.
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It's not possible.
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Well, if I were in Adam's loafers,
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I would be looking for rings.
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Yeah, if I could forget
everything I know
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about the diamond industry.
The truth about rings is that...
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Please don't ruin anything tonight.
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Of course.
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Francois, shut off Melinda's
masterpiece, please.
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You don't want to deplete all
the company's liquid assets.
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(LAUGHING)
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(MELINDA) Very funny. So funny.
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It was good.
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Fountain humor!
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Are you okay?
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Of course.
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My voice always sounds this strained
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when I'm confident about my choices.
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Adam, maybe we should have
a conversation about our future.
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You've been acting strange
ever since our argument
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about the moon landing and it's just...
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I know sometimes relationships
have expiration dates, so...
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?
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Funny you should say expiration dates,
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because the expiration dates on food
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don't mean what you think they do.
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Are you seriously starting
a show right now?
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Yeah, it seems like the right time.
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Hi, I'm Adam Conover,
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and this is "Adam Ruin Everything."
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?
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Okay, Adam, if you're
sure there's nothing
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you want to talk about,
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then I guess I'll just help
the caterers clean up
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so we can get out of here.
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What the...
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Eggs, sell by yesterday?
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Orange juice, best by two days ago?
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Yogurt, use by last week?
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Well, now I have to get
rid of all this food.
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If I don't, someone could get sick.
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No, you don't.
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Best by, use by, sell by.
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Contrary to popular belief,
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none of these dates actually tells you
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when food stops being safe to eat.
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In fact, food can still be good
way past the date on the label.
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According to food safety experts,
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eggs can be eaten three to five weeks
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past the sell-by date.
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Sell-by dates are a yolk!
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And the USDA says canned and dried foods
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can be safe indefinitely.
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Ho-ho-ho!
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I won't go bad for years!
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And if food isn't handled properly,
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it can actually go bad
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before the date on the label.
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Even something as simple as
leaving it out on the counter
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too long or setting your fridge
at the wrong temperature
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can cut shelf life short.
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It's so hot in here.
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I think I'm...
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I'm going bad.
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Oh, yeah!
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At the end of the day,
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these dates just
don't tell you that much.
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Instead, you need to check your
food for signs of spoilage,
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like changes in smell, color or texture.
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Ugh, woof!
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Okay, well, then this milk
is definitely bad.
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Nope. You can still drink me.
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Oh, yeah.
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Milk is a really neat exception.
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Even after it spoils,
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it's still totally safe to drink.
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Oh, ew, stop!
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You're gonna get sick.
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Nope.
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Milk is pasteurized,
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which means any harmful
bacteria was removed
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long before it hit the shelves.
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Even though it might not taste great,
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the safety risk of drinking spoiled milk
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are virtually zero.
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Adam, stop. I get it, I get it.
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But if the date doesn't
say when the food's safe to eat,
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why does the federal government
put it there?
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Hate to break it to you. They don't.
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We all assume that these labels
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are some kinda big government
safety regulation,
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but with the exception of baby food,
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the federal government actually
doesn't require date labeling
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of any kind.
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The citizens of this great
nation have the inalienable
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right to eat five-year-old
mayonnaise if they want,
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for this is...
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ew... America.
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Instead, it's all left up to the states,
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and every state has their own rules.
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In fact, nine states have no date
labeling regulations at all.
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Well, who does put
the dates on the food?
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Seems like they don't
tell us anything at all.
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Oh, no, they do tell you one thing:
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when the manufacturer thinks
their food tastes the best.
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What?
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Here at Hulko, we use
cutting-edge food science
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to determine the exact best by
and use by date
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at which our food is
the most snacktabulous.
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Mmm.
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It's still pretty good.
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Pretty good garbage, you mean.
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Date it, boys.
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But that food's not dangerous.
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And he just said it still tasted good.
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Not good enough!
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We need our customers eating
our food at maximum crunchitude
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or they might buy something else!
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And hey, if they think they
have to throw it away sooner
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and buy more...
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But that's wasting food.
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That's right, Melinda,
and it's a major problem.
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Melinda, this is Dana Gunders.
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She's a senior scientist
at the natural resources
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defense council and a co-author
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of a major 2013 Harvard report
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detailing the massive
problem with these dates.
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Americans trash over 160 billion
pounds of perfectly good food
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every year.
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Roughly 40% of our
food supply is thrown out,
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and thee confusing dates
are a huge factor.
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One survey found that 83%
of Americans have prematurely
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thrown out food based on
the sell-by date,
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but that date isn't even
meant for consumers.
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It just tells stores when
to turn over their inventory.
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Wait, sell by today?
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But I bought this today.
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Oh, well.
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This is ridiculous.
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Someone should do something.
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Well, some leaders
in the grocery industry
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are pushing for clearer, simpler labels,
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but until there's a nationally
mandated system,
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their recommendations
are just voluntary.
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And the worst part is, we're trashing
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all this perfectly good food
while millions are going hungry.
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- Whoa.
- That one's alive.
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All this has got to go.
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(DANA) No, I'm still good!
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I've got to stop this.
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Hey!
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Give me that cheese.
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It's pasteurized!
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Yeah.
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I'm glad we're not giving up
on this cheese too early,
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'cause it could last a lot
longer than we think,
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and maybe the cheese
is just going through
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a rough patch right now.
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Wait, what?
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Well, like, back
when I didn't have cheese,
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I wanted cheese so bad.
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And just because the cheese
I have now isn't the cheese
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I thought it would be, that doesn't mean
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we should throw it out.
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Maybe it's the kind of cheese
that gets better with time.
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It really sounds like you're talking
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about a lot more than cheese here.
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Are you sure you don't want
to have that conversation
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about our future?
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The future?
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Uh, well... the thing
about the future is...
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In the future, you'll be
miserable, 'cause you probably
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won't be able to retire on your 401(K).
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Just what I wanted to talk about.
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Whee! Drinking all
that old milk made my hyphy!
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Ha-ha!
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So instead of talking
about our relationship,
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now you want to ruin 401(K)s?
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Yep.
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Well, I don't see what there is to ruin.
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Putting money in a 401(K)
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is the most responsible
financial decision
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I've ever made.
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I contribute 5% of every paycheck,
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my company matches it
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and I get to choose
all my own investments.
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By the time I'm 65, I'll be set.
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Yeah, that's what they tell you,
but it's not true.
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Not only are 401(K)s a lot
riskier than you think,
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when it comes to securing your future,
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they are woefully inadequate.
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In the old days, if a company
had a retirement plan,
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it was a pension.
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So I break my back
in your mine for 30 years
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and then you give me a check
every week until I die?
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Gee, Mister, that's swell.
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For workers that had pensions,
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this was actually a pretty great deal,
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but in the '80s and '90s,
more and more companies started
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switching to 401(K)s,
a shiny new financial product
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that gave workers
an incentive to save more
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of their own money for retirement.
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Pensions are your dad's retirement plan.
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Try this 401(K).
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Whoa, so I just put aside
a little bit of my paycheck
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into an investment account,
tax free, and then you match it?
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And unlike a pension,
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I can take my 401(K)
with me from job to job?
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That freedom is perfect
for my active '90's lifestyle.
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But that freedom was a bit oversold.
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401(K)s have tons of hidden fees,
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and it's pretty easy
to make a bad investment.
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Here, just pick some stocks.
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Wow, Blockbuster, Enron!
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Pets.com!
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I love that sock puppet!
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Well, if people don't bother to learn
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how to set up their 401(K),
that's on them.
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If you do it right, you can
guarantee your own retirement.
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No, you can't.
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Because the biggest problem with 401(K)s
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is that they put all the risk on you,
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and the one thing you can't guarantee
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is the stock and bond market.
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We learned how big that risk
is during the recessions
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of the 2000s, starting
when the dotcom bubble burst.
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My Pets.com stock!
That puppet lied to me!
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And especially during
the 2008 financial crisis.
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Okay, 2000 was rough,
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but now it's 2008 and yes, we can...
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keep working here, I guess.
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People on the brink
of retiring were screwed,
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even if they had done everything right.
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But that was years ago.
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The economy recovered, so my
401(K) will be fine. Right?
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Sorry, lady.
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You're gonna have to save
a lot more than you thought.
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Okay, well, I contribute 5%
of my paycheck right now.
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What if I upped it to six?
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Not good enough.
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Experts say you should save
at least ten or even 15%.
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15%?
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That's more than I spend on groceries.
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I can't afford that.
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Yeah, and you're not alone.
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With stagnant wages
and the skyrocketing costs
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of healthcare, childcare
and college, 52% of American
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households are at risk of not
having enough money to maintain
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their standard of living
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when they retire.
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And nearly half
of Americans ages 32 to 61
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have no retirement savings at all.
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Looks like you're gonna have
roommates in your seventies.
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(SNORTS)
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Okay, forget 401(K)s.
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What should I do instead?
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403(B)? Roth IRA?
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Good old-fashioned mattress fund?
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Actually, none of those are
enough on their own.
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Melinda, this is Teresa Ghilarducci.
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She's a labor economist
at The New School
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who studies retirement security.
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401(K)s were never meant to
replace our pension system.
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They were intended to supplement
pensions and social security.
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Even social security only replaces 40%
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of what an average worker
needs in retirement.
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And this problem is only getting worse.
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10,000 baby boomers
are turning 65 every day
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and we have no good plan in place
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for how we're gonna take care of them.
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And instead of making one,
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we've just sent a message to workers
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that if you're not prepared
for retirement, it's your fault.
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Asking people to be a retirement expert,
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to be an investment expert
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is like asking people to do
their own dental work.
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Then what do we do?
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Well, since we don't
have any better options,
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if your employer offers
a 401(K), then take it.
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If they don't, then open an IRA.
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In either case,
only invest in index funds
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because they charge much lower fees.
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But in terms of a bigger picture,
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we should all pressure the government
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to set up a well regulated
public private
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retirement system like
other countries have.
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Until that happens,
your only choice is to save
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as much as you can.
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Thanks, Teresa.
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This is overwhelming to think about.
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I know.
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But it's a problem that we as a nation
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have to face head on.
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We can't avoid having this
conversation about our future.
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Our financial future.
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That's the future I'm talking about.
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Other conversations about the future,
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you can avoid forever.
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Hopefully.
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Adam, look at me.
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We can both tell there's
something off here.
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Just tell me how you feel.
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I don't know how I feel.
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I really like spending time with you,
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but I don't know if I'm
as happy as I should be.
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You're my first real girlfriend
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and I don't know if the problem
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is us or... me.
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If I invest more in our relationship,
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maybe it'll grow with time.
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Or maybe it'll crash, like Pets.com.
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Not really into this metaphor.
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I don't know what to do.
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(SIGHS) Well...
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What do you want to do?
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Research!
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Oh, no.
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If I talk to a ton of experts
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and read every relationship
study I can find,
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I'll be able to predict, for sure,
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what our future will be.
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No.
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Adam, you can't predict the future.
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And I'm gonna prove it to you.
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The power of knowledge!
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Yep.
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Hold on to your hair.
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This is "Melinda Ruins Everything."
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What is this place?
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This is the future.
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But I can't see anything.
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Exactly.
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We can't know what the future holds.
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Man, these powers are cool.
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It's fun being the Adam.
348
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But you can't ruin
predicting the future!
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People have done it throughout history.
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They have.
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But usually, their judgments
are too clouded by the present.
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Before the car was invented,
19th century sci-fi writers
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imagined people would
get around like this.
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In the future, man shall
transport himself
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upon a steed of steel!
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(HORSE NEIGHING)
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And at the 1964 World's Fair,
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IBM passed over their computers
to showcase what they thought
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would be the truly revolutionary
modern technology.
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The electric typewriter!
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Forget about those oversized
adding machines.
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The future is typing
at a slightly faster speed.
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Even today, you should be
skeptical of any tech company
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that makes big promises
about the future.
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Remember Google Glass?
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In 2012, Google hyped it up
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before they had even
finished testing it.
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They lined up celebrity endorsements,
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a Time Magazine profile,
even a 12-page spread in Vogue.
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00:14:21,266 --> 00:14:24,301
But in the real world, people
hated those dumb nerd goggles.
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Is this how ugly people feel?
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(HUFFS)
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Okay, well, maybe we can't always call
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the next big tech thing,
but what about my future?
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I should be able to predict that.
376
00:14:34,046 --> 00:14:36,546
No, you can't. And here's why.
377
00:14:36,548 --> 00:14:38,949
There's psychological research
that shows that when we try
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to imagine our future,
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we only picture a couple of details.
380
00:14:42,387 --> 00:14:44,855
Ugh, I just know
I'm gonna hate this party.
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I'll have to meet a bunch of people.
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And talk to them about stuff.
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00:14:48,026 --> 00:14:49,459
But there are thousands of factors
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that could change how
you feel about the future
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once you reach it,
and you can't possibly
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predict them all.
387
00:14:54,099 --> 00:14:56,333
Wait, all my friends are here?
388
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And I'm drunk?
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And there's a dog!
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00:14:59,204 --> 00:15:00,437
Hell, yeah.
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00:15:00,439 --> 00:15:02,973
I never imagined
this party would be fun.
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So as much as you want to know
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exactly where our
relationship's gonna go,
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there are countless potential
futures ahead of us.
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Even our personalities change over time.
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00:15:13,519 --> 00:15:14,584
No, no, no.
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I couldn't change
my personality if I tried.
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And I have tried.
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00:15:18,190 --> 00:15:19,723
People have asked me to.
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00:15:19,725 --> 00:15:21,725
Sorry, it happens to all of us,
401
00:15:21,727 --> 00:15:23,827
even if we can't imagine it.
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00:15:23,829 --> 00:15:27,631
In one study, researchers
compared how much people
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00:15:27,633 --> 00:15:28,899
believed they'd changed
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00:15:28,901 --> 00:15:30,934
in the last ten years to how much they
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00:15:30,936 --> 00:15:33,537
predicted they were gonna
change in the next ten years.
406
00:15:33,539 --> 00:15:36,273
I was completely different
when I was a kid.
407
00:15:36,275 --> 00:15:38,108
I used to listen to ska.
408
00:15:38,110 --> 00:15:40,777
But even though, like, him,
most people believed they were
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00:15:40,779 --> 00:15:42,179
different in the past,
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00:15:42,181 --> 00:15:43,680
they still didn't
think they would change much
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00:15:43,682 --> 00:15:44,848
in the future.
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This is who I'll be forever.
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00:15:47,186 --> 00:15:49,386
Punk will never die.
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Ha! Believe me.
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00:15:50,989 --> 00:15:52,556
Punk dies, kid.
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00:15:52,558 --> 00:15:53,990
And it wasn't just the young'uns.
417
00:15:53,992 --> 00:15:57,060
Older participants showed
the exact same pattern.
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00:15:57,062 --> 00:16:01,031
I'll be doing Jager bombs
with my finance bros 'til I die!
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00:16:01,033 --> 00:16:02,399
Ugh.
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00:16:02,401 --> 00:16:05,068
Believe me, your bros die, kid.
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00:16:05,070 --> 00:16:07,370
Somewhere around the 20th shot.
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00:16:07,372 --> 00:16:10,807
We seriously underestimate
how much and in what ways
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we're gonna grow and evolve.
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00:16:12,511 --> 00:16:13,877
That's why we're so bad at predicting
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00:16:13,879 --> 00:16:15,245
how we'll feel in the future.
426
00:16:15,247 --> 00:16:18,315
But if I can't know for sure
how I'm gonna feel,
427
00:16:18,317 --> 00:16:20,550
how can I make decisions about anything?
428
00:16:20,552 --> 00:16:22,986
No. I need to do more research.
429
00:16:22,988 --> 00:16:24,521
Adam, you know there are some problems
430
00:16:24,523 --> 00:16:27,657
that you can't research away, right?
431
00:16:27,659 --> 00:16:28,925
Yeah.
432
00:16:28,927 --> 00:16:30,594
I've learned that.
433
00:16:30,596 --> 00:16:33,964
Well, then you should know
that it's okay not to know.
434
00:16:33,966 --> 00:16:37,033
Honestly, I'm not sure about
our future right now, either.
435
00:16:37,035 --> 00:16:39,636
These past couple months have been fun,
436
00:16:39,638 --> 00:16:41,304
but they've been hard, too.
437
00:16:41,306 --> 00:16:45,242
So how do we decide what to do now?
438
00:16:45,244 --> 00:16:48,111
Well, you can use another person
who's had a similar experience
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00:16:48,113 --> 00:16:49,346
as your guide.
440
00:16:49,348 --> 00:16:53,116
It's a psychological method
called surrogation.
441
00:16:53,118 --> 00:16:55,952
In one experiment, researchers
told speed daters they could
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00:16:55,954 --> 00:16:59,556
find out all about their date,
likes, dislikes, photos,
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00:16:59,558 --> 00:17:03,526
or get a rating from a woman who
had already gone out with him,
444
00:17:03,528 --> 00:17:05,829
then the researchers
asked the women to predict
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00:17:05,831 --> 00:17:07,697
how much they'd enjoy the date.
446
00:17:07,699 --> 00:17:10,300
It turned out, the women who had
gotten someone else's opinion
447
00:17:10,302 --> 00:17:12,402
made better predictions than the women
448
00:17:12,404 --> 00:17:14,371
who had done their own research.
449
00:17:14,373 --> 00:17:15,839
What happened?
450
00:17:15,841 --> 00:17:18,608
I checked your Facebook,
Instagram, Linkedln.
451
00:17:18,610 --> 00:17:20,176
I thought I'd love you.
452
00:17:21,313 --> 00:17:24,047
Yeah, Eliza told me you'd be an F.
453
00:17:24,049 --> 00:17:25,315
Minus.
454
00:17:25,317 --> 00:17:26,583
Huh.
455
00:17:26,585 --> 00:17:29,519
You can't predict exactly how
things are gonna turn out.
456
00:17:29,521 --> 00:17:32,422
You just have to follow your
heart and make a decision.
457
00:17:32,424 --> 00:17:34,291
But if you want a better idea
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00:17:34,293 --> 00:17:36,693
of how that decision
might make you feel,
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00:17:36,695 --> 00:17:38,728
ask someone who's been there before.
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00:17:38,730 --> 00:17:40,297
Phone a friend.
461
00:17:42,401 --> 00:17:44,968
(CELL PHONE RINGING)
462
00:17:44,970 --> 00:17:45,001
(SCOFFS)
463
00:17:46,238 --> 00:17:48,238
This mother falcon.
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00:17:51,276 --> 00:17:53,076
Adam, where are you?!
465
00:17:53,078 --> 00:17:56,146
You can't just Mary Poppins
away and never call.
466
00:17:56,148 --> 00:17:58,315
I mean, I thought you got
sucked up by a jet engine.
467
00:17:58,317 --> 00:17:59,582
No, I'm fine.
468
00:17:59,584 --> 00:18:01,051
I've been with my girlfriend.
469
00:18:01,053 --> 00:18:04,821
Well, I find that hard
to believe, but continue.
470
00:18:04,823 --> 00:18:06,022
I thought being in a relationship
471
00:18:06,024 --> 00:18:09,659
would make me happy or complete.
472
00:18:09,661 --> 00:18:14,331
And she's great,
but something's still missing,
473
00:18:14,333 --> 00:18:16,766
and now I don't know what to do.
474
00:18:16,768 --> 00:18:18,335
Have you ever felt that way?
475
00:18:18,337 --> 00:18:23,406
Adam, when I first started
dating, I was really insecure.
476
00:18:23,408 --> 00:18:25,208
I mean, I would just jump
into a relationship
477
00:18:25,210 --> 00:18:26,943
with anyone who said they liked me,
478
00:18:26,945 --> 00:18:29,546
as though if I didn't
have someone else's approval,
479
00:18:29,548 --> 00:18:31,781
that meant there was something...
480
00:18:31,783 --> 00:18:32,916
wrong with me.
481
00:18:32,918 --> 00:18:36,619
Yeah, that sounds familiar.
482
00:18:36,621 --> 00:18:39,155
I wonder if that's
why I ruin things, too.
483
00:18:39,157 --> 00:18:42,392
I mean, I'm not a therapist,
but, like, yeah, fo' sho.
484
00:18:42,394 --> 00:18:44,594
But eventually, I realized,
485
00:18:44,596 --> 00:18:48,598
I was actually fine, all by myself.
486
00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:53,636
I just needed to learn
how to be okay with who I was.
487
00:18:53,638 --> 00:18:56,039
And no one else
was gonna do that for me.
488
00:18:56,041 --> 00:18:59,142
That is something that I had to
learn how to do on my own.
489
00:18:59,144 --> 00:19:01,211
Which took time.
490
00:19:01,213 --> 00:19:04,981
But if there's one thing
I know about Adam Conover,
491
00:19:04,983 --> 00:19:10,453
it's that he always has time
to learn something new.
492
00:19:10,455 --> 00:19:13,289
Besides, you probably only think
you need to be in a relationship
493
00:19:13,291 --> 00:19:15,859
because of some old dude's
marketing campaign.
494
00:19:15,861 --> 00:19:17,327
(LAUGHS) Yeah.
495
00:19:17,329 --> 00:19:19,462
He was probably really
into eugenics, too.
496
00:19:19,464 --> 00:19:20,797
(LAUGHING)
497
00:19:22,334 --> 00:19:23,466
Thanks, Em.
498
00:19:26,571 --> 00:19:28,104
I think we should break up.
I think we should break up.
499
00:19:28,106 --> 00:19:29,205
Wait...
500
00:19:29,207 --> 00:19:30,206
You do?
501
00:19:30,208 --> 00:19:32,008
Yeah.
502
00:19:32,010 --> 00:19:35,145
There are a lot of things
I really like about you,
503
00:19:35,147 --> 00:19:38,314
but I don't think we're
right for each other.
504
00:19:38,316 --> 00:19:41,484
I think you are the most amazing person,
505
00:19:41,486 --> 00:19:43,987
and you've taught me so much.
506
00:19:43,989 --> 00:19:47,090
But I have some things
I need to figure out on my own.
507
00:19:52,497 --> 00:19:54,964
It really is incredible, Melinda.
508
00:19:54,966 --> 00:19:57,033
Thanks.
509
00:19:57,035 --> 00:20:00,937
You know, even though our future
didn't turn out like I thought,
510
00:20:00,939 --> 00:20:02,405
I think we're both gonna be okay.
511
00:20:03,475 --> 00:20:06,076
Me too.
512
00:20:06,078 --> 00:20:07,811
Goodbye, Adam.
513
00:20:11,550 --> 00:20:12,682
Hey.
514
00:20:12,684 --> 00:20:14,818
Can you, like, magic
your stuff out of my house?
515
00:20:14,820 --> 00:20:16,019
Of course.
516
00:20:18,023 --> 00:20:20,990
?
517
00:20:25,564 --> 00:20:28,498
?
518
00:20:31,303 --> 00:20:33,770
You know, cell phones cause cancer.
519
00:20:35,674 --> 00:20:38,475
And microwaves make you infertile.
520
00:20:38,477 --> 00:20:39,709
Read it on Facebook.
521
00:20:42,314 --> 00:20:44,581
If you think I'm wrong, speak now,
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or I'm gonna believe that forever.
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I'm okay. Thanks, though.
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Huh.
525
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Some people just don't
want to know the truth.
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(DEEP INHALE)
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?
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Hello, everyone.
I'm here behind the scenes
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on "Adam Ruin Everything"
with Teresa Ghilarducci.
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Thanks for being here on the show.
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I'm really glad to be here, thank you.
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If you could put it in a nutshell,
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what is the problem with how
America handles retirement?
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Well, for the past 37 years,
we've had an experiment,
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and that experiment has been
with 401(K)s or what I call
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a do-it-yourself retirement
system, and it's failed.
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We don't have a system designed
for the human beings
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that we have or designed
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for the kinds of labor market we have.
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We're not robots and we don't
have our jobs for our whole life
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and we don't start saving
when we first start our jobs.
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What I say to people is,
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don't give up if you're 50 and you
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don't have any savings,
save as much as you can,
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00:21:47,679 --> 00:21:51,247
but I also tell people to kind
of cut their expectations,
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to cut their living standards
by 20 or 30%.
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- But I...
- That's a tough thing to tell people.
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Yeah, my heart breaks when I do.
549
00:21:58,823 --> 00:22:00,223
Well, so what do you say...
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I'm sure a lot of Americans say,
hey, I like that it's voluntary.
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I like that I decide
what to do with my money,
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and so it's up to that
individual person.
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I mean, a lot of people
feel that as an ethos
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and that's important to them.
555
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What do you say to those folks?
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00:22:11,436 --> 00:22:14,037
You know, if you ask people
whether or not it should be
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a voluntary system, they say
yeah, it should be voluntary,
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but if you actually tell them
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that we've had that experiment,
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that voluntary experiment
for the past 40 years
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and that half of Americans
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are going to end up being
downwardly mobile
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when they retire,
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they'll move from being
a middle class worker
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to a poor or near-poor retiree,
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they have second thoughts about it,
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and they say, boy, I wish
someone told me to save.
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00:22:42,133 --> 00:22:45,401
But people do tell us
to save and yet we don't.
569
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Yeah, it's not just
about telling to save,
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it's about making them save.
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There's a lot of ideas out there
to provide a mandatory layer
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on top of social security.
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I mean, lots of people in this
country have a mandatory layer.
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It's the unionized plumber,
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it's the worker at the auto plant,
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it's the teacher at the university.
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It's the cop on the beat.
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- Right.
- They all have a mandatory system,
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so it's not un-American
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to have a layer of pensions
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that is advance funded
and get their returns
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from the finance market.
583
00:23:20,415 --> 00:23:21,971
We just need to get more
people in those programs.
584
00:23:21,973 --> 00:23:23,106
Yeah, we need to get more people in it,
585
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but to have a system that gets everybody
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to a place where they maintain
their living standards
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is what you would expect
from a functioning nation.
588
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Yeah. And we've told people,
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we've tortured them in fourth grade
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with the idea of having to save,
but it hasn't worked,
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and in every other country
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that's experimented
with a voluntary system,
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it covers about half the population.
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- Like ours does.
- That's right.
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And it's not people's fault,
it's the environment's fault.
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We have not designed a good system.
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We don't have flawed human beings.
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We have a flawed system.
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It's like, we need a good
healthcare system,
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but we also need people
to take care of themselves
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and not smoke and not eat too much.
602
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That's something we talk about
so much on this show,
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is the interaction of that
individual responsibility
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in action with the system,
and both need to work.
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We need... We need people who are gonna
take responsibility for themselves
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and we need a system that
supports them and helps them
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make those choices and supports
them in making the best choices.
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And that's totally American.
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00:24:26,071 --> 00:24:27,403
Well, thank you so much
for coming on the show
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to talk to us about this, Teresa.
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00:24:28,540 --> 00:24:29,639
- Thanks, Adam.
- It's really been wonderful.
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