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(MAN SHOUTING ON TV)
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Ah, you worry too much about me, sis.
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No, I'm sure I'll find work
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as soon as the economy
gets back to normal.
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No, no, I appreciate the invitation,
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but I'm gonna stay
right here in town. Yeah.
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Factory's gonna be open, you'll see.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, well, look, I gotta
get back to my taxes,
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much as I hate 'em.
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Yeah. All right, love you too.
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Yeah, bye.
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?
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W-w-welcome to HulkoTax.
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A-a-are you salaried or self-employed?
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Well, I was working at
the toaster factory 'til March,
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but since the layoffs, I've been
driving for Uber, so...
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Enter all W-2s and 1099s.
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Oh, okay. Well, which do I, uh...
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Now enter all double-2-Us
and 9-10dy-10s.
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Well, does, does the bank
send you that or...?
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Do you have any commercial
fishing income?
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(SCOFFS) I wish.
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You have done every part
of this incorrectly.
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Now entering m-m-manual mode.
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Hope you like math-math-math-math...
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- Oh, come on!
- ...math...
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Why do taxes have to be so hard?
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Actually, taxes
don't have to be hard at all.
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Did I kill a man?
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Nope. You summoned a TV host.
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Hi, I'm Adam Conover
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and this is "Adam Ruins Everything."
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Oh! Ugh.
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(SCREAMING)
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Corrected & Synced by Bakugan
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(GRUNTS)
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Hey, you scared the fudge out of me.
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Oh, that's nothin'.
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One time I made my friend
Emily give birth.
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I don't know what
that means, but I hate it.
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Almost as much as I hate
doing my taxes.
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Now, what's that you were saying
about how taxes could be easy?
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Well, think about it.
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Taxes are a bill
the government charges you,
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so why do you have to do all the math?
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Imagine if we did that
with any other bill.
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(DOORBELL RINGS)
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How much do I owe you?
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You tell me.
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Divide number of toppings
by cheese consumption?
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$12?
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Wrong! Now you're goin' to jail!
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Bogus.
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Instead of making you fill out
a complicated return,
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why doesn't the government
just tell you how much you owe?
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Well, 'cause they
need to know my income,
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my interest on my savings...
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all the numbers
that are on those forms.
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News flash! They already do.
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Employers, banks, and
other financial institutions
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already send
detailed records to the IRS.
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Okay, we just got Hank's W2s and 1099s.
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I could calculate
his tax bill myself...
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Nah, I'll just wait quietly
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while he sends me the
exact same information.
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D'oh!
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The government could quite literally
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do your taxes for you.
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It's an idea called return-free filing.
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Instead of the government
checking your work,
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you'd check theirs,
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and it would make taxes more like this.
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Ooh, honey, our taxes came.
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Oh...
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Just need to deduct that work
trip to Toledo and we're done!
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Hey, think we have time for
some wild, bedpost-rattling sex?
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Why not? Our April's wide open.
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Return-free filing is already used
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by countries around the world
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and could allow millions
of Americans like you
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to do your taxes for free
in just five minutes.
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Yeah, well, those bozos in Washington
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would never go for an idea
that makes that much sense.
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Actually, return-free filing bills
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are introduced in Congress
all the time,
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and both Barack Obama
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and Ronald Reagan pushed for it.
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Yes, we can.
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Tear down this wall...
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of paperwork.
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(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
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Wow... that must be the only
thing those guys would agree on.
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Okay. I'm sold.
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- Give me return-free filing.
- Sorry.
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The makers of tax software
like TurboTax and H&R Block
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spend a butt-load of money
to make sure it never happens.
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T-t-tax software industry.
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You p-p-pay us
to make your taxes easier,
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so we pay lobbyists to make sure
they stay c-c-complicated.
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Citizens, we feel your pain!
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Filing your taxes
is just too... darn...
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(CASH REGISTER RINGS)
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fun! Everything's great.
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We're changing nothing.
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(INHALING DEEPLY)
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Ooh...
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These calculating
companies have lobbied
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to kill multiple
return-free filing bills
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over the past decade.
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And they're using my money to do it?
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Well, that's shameless.
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And it gets worse.
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This is Jessica Huseman,
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a reporter at ProPublica
who's covered this story.
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The tax prep industry actually
created a front group
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called the Free File Alliance
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that lets you file your taxes for free.
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It's supposed to be available
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to two-thirds of the taxpaying public,
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but almost no one uses it.
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That's because the system is confusing,
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the IRS doesn't market it,
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the tax companies have no incentive
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to push it themselves,
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and a sneaky opt-in option
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allows them to push
their paid products.
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Don't use the f-f-free option.
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It's too hard.
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Pay me instead.
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But I want return-free filing,
like you were talking about.
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(HUSEMAN) Well, here's the worst part.
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The tax industry
negotiated an exclusive deal
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that prevents the federal government
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from offering return-free filing
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or any free system of tax filing
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so long as
the Free File Alliance exists.
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So you're saying the government
could be doing my taxes for me,
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for free, but TurboTax and H&R Block
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are working like crazy
to stop that from happening?
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Exactly.
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Instead, you're stuck
doing your taxes yourself
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with this guy.
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Get ready to spend
all your Aprils with m-m-me.
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Gah!
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See, this is the problem
with the economy.
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The government and the CEOs get rich
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and the rest of us
get screwed by something
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that takes three degrees to understand.
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Yeah, you pretty much nailed it.
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See, that's why I like this guy.
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Bad news comin' in from Wall Street!
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The Dow is down 500 points,
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which means we're headed into
the icy depths of poverty!
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Joe "Cray-Cray" Krasowitz.
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He makes the economy so simple.
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Yeah, he does, and that's
what makes him so wrong.
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I'll show you.
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Hey, don't come into a man's house
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and teleport him against his will.
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(DOG WHINES)
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(BELL CLANGING)
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Welcome back to "Demented Dollars,"
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America's loudest and therefore best
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financial advice show!
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The Dow Jones Industrial Average
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is down in the dumps,
just like me after every date!
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(FEMALE VOICE SFX) I think
we should see other people.
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And that means the economy is ruined,
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so it's time to panic!
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(CROWD SCREAMING SFX)
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Actually, no, it isn't.
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The American economy
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is an incredibly complicated system
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that even experts spend a lifetime
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trying to understand,
so when the news media
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dumbs it all down
into how a single number
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changed that day, it tells you
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a lot less than you think.
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Okay. Who the heck are you?
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Hi. Name's Hank, big, famous Krasowitz.
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Can I call you Cray-Cray?
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And can you tell him
that he's full of it?
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The Dow tells us how the
whole stock market is doing.
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Nope. It tells you how a tiny part
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of the stock market is doing,
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and its methodology is deeply flawed.
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The US stock market
is an enormous system
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with over 3,000
publicly traded companies
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in the US alone,
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but the Dow includes just 30 of them
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and it's basically designed
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to go up over time.
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If a stock does too poorly,
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it gets dropped and replaced.
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What? You mean
the whole thing's rigged?
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Yep. And it's not
adjusted for inflation.
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(MALE VOICE SFX) Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
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Well, if that were true, then how come
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all of us in the media
report on it constantly?
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Maybe because that's
what you've been doing
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for a century.
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See, the Dow became popular
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during the economic panics
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and depressions of
the early 20th century,
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when people were desperate for any sign
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of how the economy was doing.
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Are we ruined or ain't we?
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I just need some kind of sign.
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There's the Dow
and it's just gone bust.
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Thanks. Guess it's curtains for me.
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Now, back when our economy was simpler,
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the performance of 30 big companies
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was actually pretty useful information,
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but as our economy grew
and became more complex,
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the Dow started to
tell us less and less,
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and today, financial insiders
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don't even pay attention to it.
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Dude, don't jump.
The Dow's, like, sick.
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It's, like, up 1,000 points.
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Who cares about that
meaningless number?
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My wife cheated on me
with a pottery instructor.
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Hey, please don't
make light of suicide.
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It's insensitive. Sorry.
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Today, despite the fact
that the Dow tells us
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less than ever,
reporters like Cray-Cray
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keep using it out of sheer habit.
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Yeah, well, I have another habit!
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Doing my show! You two done?
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'Cause it's time for the Jobs Report!
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?
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I know I was just screaming
that the economy is through,
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but it's actually great
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because the unemployment rate
is down to 4.5%.
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(WHISTLE BLOWING SFX)
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So, 96% of folks are making a living?
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That's great!
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(SFX) Ac-ac-actually...
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The number you hear reported
as the unemployment rate is...
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(SFX) The female hymen.
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Wrong button. Old episode.
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The unemployment rate
is a flawed number
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that excludes tons of people
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who you and I would
consider unemployed.
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Well, I find that hard to believe.
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You're either working or you're not.
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Well, let's play America's
least-favorite game show,
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- "Who Counts As Unemployed?"
- (SFX) (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
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Up first, we have Trista.
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I'm 24, I got laid off
a few months ago,
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and I've been so depressed
that I haven't looked for work.
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- She's unemployed.
- (BUZZER)
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Not according to the government.
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Hi, I'm Charles, I'm 52,
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and this week, I mowed
my neighbor's lawn for $25.
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That's all the work I've had in months.
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Well, he must count as unemployed.
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- (BUZZER)
- No, again.
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And finally, we have Hank.
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Me? Well, I drive Uber some nights
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since the factory closed,
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but I'm barely making by.
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- I'm unemployed.
- (BUZZER)
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Wrong again. You don't count either.
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Thanks for playing,
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and remember to spell and
grammar check your resume.
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Wait. Why don't I count as unemployed?
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Well, the number we
always hear reported
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as the unemployment rate
only counts people
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who are actively looking for work
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and excludes anyone who's earned
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more than $20 in the past week.
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Now, that doesn't make it
totally useless,
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but if you hear that number and think
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that's how many people are out of work,
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you're wrong. Many more are struggling.
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Yeah. Like me.
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That's enough for bloated
Anderson Cooper here.
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Time to whip out the big guns!
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- Let's talk G... D... P!
- (AIR HORN BLARING)
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Yes! GDP. The bigger it gets,
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the better economy it is,
right, Cray-Cray?
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Absolutely! Let's take a look
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- at the latest figu...
- Sorry!
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Even though politicians and the media
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act like GDP or Gross Domestic Product
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is a measure of our overall
economic well-being, it ain't.
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GDP really only tells us
how much we make
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and how much we consume.
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In other words, it goes up
when spending does.
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I got a raise. I'm
gonna buy a catamaran.
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- That's good for me, Mr. GDP.
- (CASH REGISTER RINGS)
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But the problem is,
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spending isn't always a good thing.
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GDP could also go up
because something bad happened
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and we had to spend money to fix it.
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My house was destroyed in a hurricane
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so I need to buy a tent to sleep in.
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Here's all my savings.
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All spending is good spending
for Mr. GDP.
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(CASH REGISTER RINGS)
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Yeah, but she lost
her house and her savings.
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That can't be good for the economy.
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No, but she spent money,
so GDP goes up.
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I thought when GDP rose,
that meant things
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were getting better for everybody.
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Sadly, a strong GDP doesn't guarantee
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the average person feels any benefit.
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In the last two decades,
GDP has steadily risen,
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but the average
American's earnings haven't.
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It's actually possible
to have the highest GDP
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and the most poverty at the same time.
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- ? Money, money ?
- Terrible.
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? It's all about the money ?
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Useless number.
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Well, it has its uses.
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You just can't expect one
number to tell you the truth
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about our gargantuan global economy.
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Despite what the media says,
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it's just not that simple.
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I can't believe you, Cray.
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I listened to you, trusted you,
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sat through all those
erectile dysfunction
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commercials for you!
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(LAUGHING) Just wait one second.
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Well, I don't need simple.
327
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I learned how to use
a backward extrusion press.
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I can learn a little economics.
329
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Maybe it'll even help me figure out
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when my old factory job is coming back.
331
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Uh, about that...
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Hey, Mr. Magic Man,
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why don't you let me show you
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why they call me Cray-Cray?
335
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You know what?
336
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I'll tell you in a second.
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For now, I'm gonna run. (LAUGHING)
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You ruined my show!
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My fellow Americans, For now, I'm
gonna run. I know you're hurting.
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You're in your den right now, thinking,
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where did my high-paying
manufacturing job
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that doesn't require
a college degree go?
343
00:12:17,025 --> 00:12:19,459
Yeah. That's, like, eerily accurate.
344
00:12:19,461 --> 00:12:23,196
Well, I'm here to tell you
we only lost those jobs
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because of bozo politicians.
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Once you elect me,
I will bring the Golden Age
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of American Manufacturing back again.
348
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(MAN) Paid for by
Americans Against Bozos.
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00:12:34,309 --> 00:12:36,809
Now, that's what I'm
talking about. Right, Max?
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Sorry, Hank, but as tempting as it is
351
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to blame bozos, they're not
why America lost those jobs.
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It was the result of
massive historical forces.
353
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Well, now, hold on a second.
354
00:12:47,589 --> 00:12:50,089
My dad came to this town
looking for opportunity,
355
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and he and everybody here
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worked their entire lives
at the toaster factory.
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They're in a middle-class income,
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they bought houses,
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and they retired on a pension,
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and I'm gonna do the same
361
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just as soon as this country
gets back to normal.
362
00:13:00,568 --> 00:13:03,369
Actually, that wasn't normal at all.
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It was a historical anomaly.
364
00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,307
Here, I'll show you.
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(MAN) The Story of
American Manufacturing.
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Between 1945 and 1973,
American manufacturing
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gave us the greatest
period of economic growth
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in human history.
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Economic historians
call it the Golden Age,
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but it wouldn't have been possible
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without the help of World War II.
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During the war, every other
industrialized nation involved
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was devastated.
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That meant that when the war ended,
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the US had a huge temporary advantage.
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From the end of the war
through the 1960s,
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America made 50% of the world's stuff
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and it made great things for Americans.
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By the '70s, we more than doubled
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the standard of living for
the average American family.
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Next up, a third baby.
382
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Not unless it's coming out of you.
383
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Ah! Now, that's the life!
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The problem was,
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this monopoly couldn't last forever.
386
00:14:02,030 --> 00:14:05,131
As time marched on,
other nations rebuilt,
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their economies recovered,
388
00:14:06,634 --> 00:14:09,569
and they started bolstering
their own manufacturing.
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00:14:09,571 --> 00:14:15,174
(SPEAKING NATIVE LANGUAGE)
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The real reason
America's Golden Age ended
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is because of history.
392
00:14:19,714 --> 00:14:20,780
But you're ignoring the fact
393
00:14:20,782 --> 00:14:22,081
that American companies are choosing
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to make stuff overseas.
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00:14:23,318 --> 00:14:24,884
Like, why is the iPhone made in China?
396
00:14:24,886 --> 00:14:25,952
We could make all that stuff
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00:14:25,954 --> 00:14:27,620
they build over there over here.
398
00:14:27,622 --> 00:14:30,723
Oh, actually,
we couldn't, because of...
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00:14:30,725 --> 00:14:35,027
(MAN) Unique Chinese advantages
that America cannot recreate.
400
00:14:35,029 --> 00:14:39,065
Well, it's not quite as simple
as "China beat America,"
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00:14:39,067 --> 00:14:41,968
but China does excel at certain
kinds of manufacturing.
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00:14:41,970 --> 00:14:44,704
This is Dr. Penelope Prime, economist,
403
00:14:44,706 --> 00:14:47,073
professor at the Institute
of International Business,
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and director of
the China Research Center.
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(DR. PRIME) First of
all, China has a vast,
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relatively inexpensive workforce.
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00:14:53,615 --> 00:14:57,249
They have about 80 million
manufacturing workers alone.
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00:14:57,251 --> 00:14:59,852
That's double the
population of California
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and the Chinese factories
that assemble the iPhone
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are massive.
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00:15:03,825 --> 00:15:08,327
Just one can employ
up to 350,000 people
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and produce 1/2 million iPhones a day.
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And historically, China's workers
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have been willing to accept
relatively low wages.
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00:15:15,970 --> 00:15:19,772
Before 1978, China had
zero trade with the US
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and was closed to most
foreign investment.
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When they finally opened their doors
418
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after years of economic isolation,
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they were an ideal location
for low-cost manufacturing.
420
00:15:30,118 --> 00:15:32,418
Well, we have workers too.
421
00:15:32,420 --> 00:15:34,854
But our government today
does not invest heavily
422
00:15:34,856 --> 00:15:37,556
in infrastructure and
education like China does.
423
00:15:37,558 --> 00:15:39,692
The Chinese government
even helps recruit
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00:15:39,694 --> 00:15:41,994
and train workers for jobs like this.
425
00:15:41,996 --> 00:15:44,764
Apple estimated it would
take up to nine months
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to find enough engineers
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00:15:45,933 --> 00:15:48,034
to oversee a factory in the US,
428
00:15:48,036 --> 00:15:51,504
but in China, they found
them in just 15 days.
429
00:15:51,506 --> 00:15:55,174
Come on, people!
I'm offering free Frisbees!
430
00:15:55,176 --> 00:15:58,277
Well, what if we did
train enough people?
431
00:15:58,279 --> 00:15:59,578
Could we build the iPhone then?
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00:15:59,580 --> 00:16:01,881
No. China sits at the center
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00:16:01,883 --> 00:16:04,517
of a global supply chain, which means
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they're physically closer
to most of the parts
435
00:16:06,754 --> 00:16:08,454
needed to make the iPhone.
436
00:16:08,456 --> 00:16:10,556
That means, even if we did build
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00:16:10,558 --> 00:16:13,292
a giant iPhone assembly plant in the US
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00:16:13,294 --> 00:16:16,262
and somehow staffed it with
cheap, well-trained labor,
439
00:16:16,264 --> 00:16:18,898
it would still be faster and cheaper
440
00:16:18,900 --> 00:16:21,100
to build iPhones in China
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00:16:21,102 --> 00:16:24,670
than ship all the parts
and assemble them here.
442
00:16:24,672 --> 00:16:28,441
The fact is, when it comes to
certain types of manufacturing,
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00:16:28,443 --> 00:16:32,678
China has unique advantages
that we just don't.
444
00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,513
So, what? We're just screwed?
445
00:16:34,515 --> 00:16:36,682
No matter what we do,
we're falling behind?
446
00:16:36,684 --> 00:16:39,051
Actually, it's a misconception
447
00:16:39,053 --> 00:16:41,654
that the US is falling
behind in manufacturing.
448
00:16:41,656 --> 00:16:45,057
There are a lot fewer people
working in those jobs,
449
00:16:45,059 --> 00:16:46,392
but we produce more than ever,
450
00:16:46,394 --> 00:16:48,861
thanks in large part to...
451
00:16:48,863 --> 00:16:50,830
(MAN) Automation!
452
00:16:50,832 --> 00:16:52,531
Oh, no! Robots!
453
00:16:52,533 --> 00:16:54,467
These are monsters!
They'll kill us all!
454
00:16:54,469 --> 00:16:55,501
Hyah!
455
00:16:55,503 --> 00:16:57,303
Well, that's an exaggeration,
456
00:16:57,305 --> 00:16:59,138
but it's true that automation
457
00:16:59,140 --> 00:17:01,307
has transformed our economy.
458
00:17:01,309 --> 00:17:03,809
Heavy industry jobs
like car manufacturing
459
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were lost almost entirely
to advances in technology.
460
00:17:07,949 --> 00:17:11,183
For example, General Motors
still makes tons of cars
461
00:17:11,185 --> 00:17:13,486
in America, but today, they only need
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a quarter of the workers it took to do
463
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the same amount of work in the '50s,
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and it's not just manufacturing jobs.
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00:17:20,361 --> 00:17:23,095
Bank tellers have been
replaced by ATMs and apps,
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video store employees have been
replaced by streaming sites,
467
00:17:26,634 --> 00:17:30,336
and even lawyers and accountants
have been replaced by software.
468
00:17:30,338 --> 00:17:31,937
I'm ba-ba-ba-back.
469
00:17:31,939 --> 00:17:33,639
(GROANING) Get out of here!
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00:17:33,641 --> 00:17:35,908
That is why these jobs disappeared...
471
00:17:35,910 --> 00:17:39,945
the last half-century
of technological progress.
472
00:17:39,947 --> 00:17:41,680
And the story is much bigger
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than just the US and China.
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The value of manufacturing itself
475
00:17:45,319 --> 00:17:48,053
is actually falling across the globe.
476
00:17:48,055 --> 00:17:51,524
Today, goods are worth
less than services.
477
00:17:51,526 --> 00:17:54,093
The part of the iPhone
that's a manufactured good
478
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is actually worth very little,
479
00:17:56,063 --> 00:17:57,830
but the services that go into it...
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the software, the design, the marketing
481
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are much more valuable
482
00:18:01,435 --> 00:18:04,703
and we do all those things in the US.
483
00:18:04,705 --> 00:18:07,306
Even though there are
fewer manufacturing jobs
484
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than there used to be,
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new services jobs are being
created here all the time,
486
00:18:11,579 --> 00:18:13,612
especially in fields
like software development,
487
00:18:13,614 --> 00:18:16,515
healthcare services,
and education services.
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00:18:16,517 --> 00:18:19,351
So instead of making
impossible promises
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to reverse history
and bring the old jobs back,
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00:18:22,290 --> 00:18:24,690
our politicians should
have been taking action
491
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to help us adapt to these changes,
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like by lowering the cost
of higher education
493
00:18:29,864 --> 00:18:33,566
so more people would have
access to these new jobs.
494
00:18:33,568 --> 00:18:36,335
But I'm looking for
a job in manufacturing.
495
00:18:36,337 --> 00:18:38,437
That's all I know.
496
00:18:39,774 --> 00:18:42,842
I know it's hard, but the truth is,
497
00:18:42,844 --> 00:18:46,979
economies change.
That's just what they do.
498
00:18:46,981 --> 00:18:50,416
Even if we wanted to,
we can't turn back the clock
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to the economy we had
half a century ago,
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00:18:53,721 --> 00:18:57,690
and anyone who tells you
otherwise is wrong.
501
00:18:57,692 --> 00:18:59,902
Now, there are things
that you can do to...
502
00:18:59,911 --> 00:19:01,342
Aw, forget it.
503
00:19:02,463 --> 00:19:04,296
I guess there's no place
in a shiny new economy
504
00:19:04,298 --> 00:19:07,166
for a guy like me.
505
00:19:07,168 --> 00:19:08,868
Hank, no!
506
00:19:09,570 --> 00:19:11,904
This goes
in the recycling! A guy like me.
507
00:19:15,543 --> 00:19:17,610
Sorry, Max, can't find work.
508
00:19:17,612 --> 00:19:18,844
Gonna lose the house.
509
00:19:18,846 --> 00:19:20,045
I guess I'm gonna
have to shack up with you.
510
00:19:20,047 --> 00:19:22,548
Okay, that's a tad dramatic.
511
00:19:22,550 --> 00:19:24,683
What am I supposed to do?
512
00:19:24,685 --> 00:19:26,919
The economy is so complicated.
513
00:19:26,921 --> 00:19:28,587
We've got no control over it.
514
00:19:28,589 --> 00:19:30,189
It changes right under your feet
515
00:19:30,191 --> 00:19:31,690
and it puts good people out of work.
516
00:19:31,692 --> 00:19:34,326
It just makes me feel so powerless.
517
00:19:34,328 --> 00:19:36,128
Well, you're right.
518
00:19:36,130 --> 00:19:38,898
The economy is insanely complex
519
00:19:38,900 --> 00:19:40,466
and it's always changing,
520
00:19:40,468 --> 00:19:43,068
but that doesn't mean
there's nothing you can do.
521
00:19:43,070 --> 00:19:45,070
What do you mean?
522
00:19:45,072 --> 00:19:47,907
Well, you could take steps
to adapt along with it.
523
00:19:47,909 --> 00:19:49,041
Yeah. My sister's been telling me
524
00:19:49,043 --> 00:19:50,910
there's more jobs down by where she is
525
00:19:50,912 --> 00:19:52,111
and she knows a good night school
526
00:19:52,113 --> 00:19:53,312
if I want to try something new.
527
00:19:53,314 --> 00:19:55,681
I guess I could think about doing that.
528
00:19:55,683 --> 00:19:57,816
But, come on, not everybody
can afford to move.
529
00:19:57,818 --> 00:20:00,686
That's true. Adapting
to all these changes
530
00:20:00,688 --> 00:20:04,523
is a huge, daunting, expensive
investment for workers,
531
00:20:04,525 --> 00:20:07,693
and our government could help
people more with that investment
532
00:20:07,695 --> 00:20:09,795
with things like relocation vouchers
533
00:20:09,797 --> 00:20:12,765
and especially higher education
and skills training,
534
00:20:12,767 --> 00:20:15,501
like how in Georgia, where I live,
535
00:20:15,503 --> 00:20:17,102
there's state-subsidized
skills training
536
00:20:17,104 --> 00:20:19,338
that's coordinated
with new factory openings
537
00:20:19,340 --> 00:20:21,774
to encourage companies to set up there.
538
00:20:21,776 --> 00:20:25,110
We can't control whether
or not the economy changes,
539
00:20:25,112 --> 00:20:28,147
but we have a responsibility
to help ourselves
540
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:31,016
and each other adjust to those changes.
541
00:20:31,018 --> 00:20:34,186
Uh-huh. Well, thanks, Dr. Prime.
542
00:20:34,188 --> 00:20:35,387
No problem.
543
00:20:35,389 --> 00:20:38,757
Uh-oh. I forgot I was two-dimensional.
544
00:20:38,759 --> 00:20:41,860
Hank, you may not win
the golden toaster,
545
00:20:41,862 --> 00:20:44,430
but you can go after new opportunities
546
00:20:44,432 --> 00:20:46,332
just like your dad did.
547
00:20:46,334 --> 00:20:47,866
Thanks, Adam.
548
00:20:47,868 --> 00:20:49,635
You know, I'm gonna
give my sister a call.
549
00:20:49,637 --> 00:20:51,170
It might be a big change, but I think,
550
00:20:51,172 --> 00:20:53,472
with her help, I can swing it.
551
00:20:53,474 --> 00:20:54,873
And don't you worry.
552
00:20:54,875 --> 00:20:55,908
I know one day,
553
00:20:55,910 --> 00:20:58,210
you're gonna find a job too.
554
00:20:58,212 --> 00:21:00,980
I have a TV show!
555
00:21:00,982 --> 00:21:03,248
You've been on it for 20 minutes!
556
00:21:08,422 --> 00:21:09,888
Hello, everyone. I am using
557
00:21:09,890 --> 00:21:12,124
the power of the Internet
to talk to Jessica Huseman
558
00:21:12,126 --> 00:21:14,059
from ProPublica's office in New York.
559
00:21:14,061 --> 00:21:15,461
Jessica, thank you so much
for being here.
560
00:21:15,463 --> 00:21:16,762
Thanks for having me.
561
00:21:16,764 --> 00:21:20,032
Can you tell a little bit more
about the Free File Alliance
562
00:21:20,034 --> 00:21:21,367
and the role that they play
563
00:21:21,369 --> 00:21:23,702
in changing how all of us do our taxes?
564
00:21:23,704 --> 00:21:25,104
Sure. So, the Free File Alliance
565
00:21:25,106 --> 00:21:29,975
is a group of 13 tax filing
and preparation companies,
566
00:21:29,977 --> 00:21:31,410
and you've probably heard
of a lot of them.
567
00:21:31,412 --> 00:21:34,146
They're places like
Intuit and H&R Block.
568
00:21:34,148 --> 00:21:36,215
This Free File Alliance
spends thousands
569
00:21:36,217 --> 00:21:38,083
and thousands of dollars every year
570
00:21:38,085 --> 00:21:40,586
to lobby individual
members of Congress,
571
00:21:40,588 --> 00:21:42,788
many of whom then write bills
to insure that the government
572
00:21:42,790 --> 00:21:46,992
doesn't offer its own system
of free filing for taxes.
573
00:21:46,994 --> 00:21:49,995
It's just so crazy, the idea
that they're taking the money
574
00:21:49,997 --> 00:21:52,331
that we pay them
to make our taxes easier
575
00:21:52,333 --> 00:21:54,099
and they're using it to lobby Congress
576
00:21:54,101 --> 00:21:55,501
to make our taxes more difficult
577
00:21:55,503 --> 00:21:56,668
or to keep them difficult.
578
00:21:56,670 --> 00:21:58,470
Yeah. This is not a Republican issue.
579
00:21:58,472 --> 00:21:59,938
This is not a Democratic issue.
580
00:21:59,940 --> 00:22:02,274
That money tastes good to both parties
581
00:22:02,276 --> 00:22:03,575
and they both take it.
582
00:22:03,577 --> 00:22:05,577
The system that we have set up,
583
00:22:05,579 --> 00:22:07,012
as confusing as it is,
584
00:22:07,014 --> 00:22:09,581
as much help as you need
to file your taxes,
585
00:22:09,583 --> 00:22:11,083
that is entirely within
586
00:22:11,085 --> 00:22:14,053
the Free File Alliance's
best interest, right?
587
00:22:14,055 --> 00:22:16,021
In every single one
of their corporate reports
588
00:22:16,023 --> 00:22:17,723
that they give...
their quarterly reports
589
00:22:17,725 --> 00:22:20,492
that they give to investors...
they list the risk
590
00:22:20,494 --> 00:22:22,895
that the government could
come up with a free system
591
00:22:22,897 --> 00:22:24,930
as an inherent risk to their business.
592
00:22:24,932 --> 00:22:26,965
You can see that every quarterly report
593
00:22:26,967 --> 00:22:29,001
that Intuit files,
they list that specifically,
594
00:22:29,003 --> 00:22:30,769
so they're very concerned
595
00:22:30,771 --> 00:22:31,937
about something like this happening,
596
00:22:31,939 --> 00:22:33,172
and they're paying thousands of dollars
597
00:22:33,174 --> 00:22:34,239
so that it won't.
598
00:22:34,241 --> 00:22:36,341
Yeah. They want the problem
to stay in place
599
00:22:36,343 --> 00:22:38,377
so they can keep
selling us the solution.
600
00:22:38,379 --> 00:22:39,812
They don't want the problem
to be fixed.
601
00:22:39,814 --> 00:22:41,246
Right. Exactly. And,
you know, they've done
602
00:22:41,248 --> 00:22:43,549
a lot of tricky things
to make you think
603
00:22:43,551 --> 00:22:46,652
that they're on your side,
so the Free File Alliance
604
00:22:46,654 --> 00:22:49,521
a couple of years ago got
a bunch of community members
605
00:22:49,523 --> 00:22:52,091
to write... like, they handed them
606
00:22:52,093 --> 00:22:54,093
prewritten letters to the editor
607
00:22:54,095 --> 00:22:56,395
that they would send in
to all of these newspapers
608
00:22:56,397 --> 00:22:59,398
across the country.
So, like, rabbis did this,
609
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,133
city councilmen did this,
610
00:23:01,135 --> 00:23:03,168
because they'd get a call
from the Free File lines
611
00:23:03,170 --> 00:23:04,870
with this great pitch being like,
612
00:23:04,872 --> 00:23:07,539
"We provide free tax services
613
00:23:07,541 --> 00:23:09,408
for the lowest two-thirds
of Americans."
614
00:23:09,410 --> 00:23:11,276
They leave out that
they're making your taxes
615
00:23:11,278 --> 00:23:13,579
more complicated, and the
only reason the government
616
00:23:13,581 --> 00:23:16,348
doesn't provide it to everyone
for free is because of them.
617
00:23:16,350 --> 00:23:18,851
Well, going back to return-free filing,
618
00:23:18,853 --> 00:23:21,787
I'm sure that, you know,
a lot of people in America
619
00:23:21,789 --> 00:23:23,222
would be suspicious of that at first.
620
00:23:23,224 --> 00:23:24,857
Like, wait a second. If the government
621
00:23:24,859 --> 00:23:27,726
is the one doing my taxes,
how am I gonna know
622
00:23:27,728 --> 00:23:29,962
that they're doing it right, etcetera.
623
00:23:29,964 --> 00:23:31,263
I mean, what's the response to that?
624
00:23:31,265 --> 00:23:34,466
Right. So, this, in system,
would be entirely voluntary.
625
00:23:34,468 --> 00:23:36,235
So, the government already knows
626
00:23:36,237 --> 00:23:37,736
quite a lot of information about you,
627
00:23:37,738 --> 00:23:39,037
which I don't think that most people
628
00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:40,706
who pay taxes realize.
629
00:23:40,708 --> 00:23:42,174
You might as well use
that to your advantage.
630
00:23:42,176 --> 00:23:44,009
And I say, use that to your advantage
631
00:23:44,011 --> 00:23:45,410
because there are a lot of situations
632
00:23:45,412 --> 00:23:48,080
in which the government
might not actually be aware
633
00:23:48,082 --> 00:23:50,182
that you have some income,
and so if they say,
634
00:23:50,184 --> 00:23:51,917
"Here's what we know about you,"
635
00:23:51,919 --> 00:23:54,086
you could probably choose
whether or not
636
00:23:54,088 --> 00:23:56,522
to volunteer that you had
this extra income
637
00:23:56,524 --> 00:23:57,823
that they don't know about
638
00:23:57,825 --> 00:23:59,992
that you might or might not
want to pay taxes on.
639
00:23:59,994 --> 00:24:02,127
So this is actually
quite a powerful thing
640
00:24:02,129 --> 00:24:04,163
for the American taxpayer
to know about themselves,
641
00:24:04,165 --> 00:24:07,199
because as it stands,
right, I have no idea
642
00:24:07,201 --> 00:24:08,934
what the IRS already knows about me.
643
00:24:08,936 --> 00:24:10,903
I have no idea what
the federal government
644
00:24:10,905 --> 00:24:12,538
is aware that I make every year,
645
00:24:12,540 --> 00:24:13,872
even though they probably know
646
00:24:13,874 --> 00:24:14,940
just about everything.
647
00:24:14,942 --> 00:24:16,041
That's a good point,
648
00:24:16,043 --> 00:24:17,976
because, yeah, we don't actually know
649
00:24:17,978 --> 00:24:19,611
the information that
they've been given.
650
00:24:19,613 --> 00:24:21,947
It's like this weird test
that we don't have to take.
651
00:24:21,949 --> 00:24:23,649
Just tell me what you want
652
00:24:23,651 --> 00:24:25,784
and then we'll use that
as a starting point.
653
00:24:25,786 --> 00:24:26,952
Yeah. For sure, for sure.
654
00:24:26,954 --> 00:24:28,387
Well, Jessica, thank you so much
655
00:24:28,389 --> 00:24:29,734
for your work uncovering this story,
656
00:24:29,890 --> 00:24:31,123
and thank you so much
for coming onto the show
657
00:24:31,125 --> 00:24:32,124
to talk to us about it.
658
00:24:32,126 --> 00:24:33,692
Thanks so much. I enjoyed it.
659
00:24:33,742 --> 00:24:38,292
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