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Ah...
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Finally. (CHUCKLES)
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We made it to the suburbs.
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Now, this is the American Dream.
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Beep-beep! Heads up, Dad!
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Oh-ho, little Donovan!
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Are you drunk?
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Dad, will you play catch with me?
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Oh, I'd love to, buddy,
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but your old man's gotta mow the lawn.
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Hashtag Suburb Problems!
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We'll play after.
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Shouldn't take too long.
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(MOWER SPUTTERS)
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Oh, come on, you piece of Shinola!
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(MOWER SPUTTERS)
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Oh, heck! Every time I come out...
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Okay, calm down, Ron.
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Little bit of hard work
never hurt anybody.
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After all, it's worth it to live here
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in the nice, safe suburbs.
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No, it isn't!
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Holy canary! A talking bush?
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Aah... the suburbs may seem
like the American Dream,
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but in reality,
they're an American nightmare.
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Hey, you ruined my topiary!
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Yup, 'cause I'm Adam Conover
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and this is "Adam Ruins Everything."
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Oh! Ugh.
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(SCREAMING)
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(GRUNTING, MOWER SPUTTERING)
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Oh, come on, start for old Ron,
ya bucket of bolts.
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I gotta mow the lawn.
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Ah, yes, the good,
old-fashioned American lawn.
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We mow them, we water them.
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On average, Americans
spend 70 hours a year
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and a total of nine billion
gallons of water a day
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maintaining them.
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BUT HERE'S A QUESTION-why?
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Um... why what?
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Why do you do it?
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Uh... easy, bush boy.
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You gotta have lawns...
they're natural.
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Actually, they're not.
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If your lawn was natural,
it would look like this.
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(SNAPS FINGERS)
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This untended meadow
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is a diverse ecosystem
of native plants and animals.
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It may be less organized,
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but it requires zero maintenance,
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unlike... (SNAPS FINGERS)
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this thing.
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Okay, so it's not natural.
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But the lawn is American, like my flag.
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Nope, it's imported, like your car.
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(HORN HONKS)
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Almost all lawn grass in America
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is actually native
to Africa, Europe and Asia.
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It wasn't made in the USA?
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But I thought this was freedom grass.
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Try "lack of freedom" grass.
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Getting all that
imported grass to thrive
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in a non-native environment
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means you have to do a ton of work.
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You gotta pump it full of fertilizer...
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(COW MOOS)
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water it like crazy...
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spray it with pesticides and herbicides
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so it can compete
with native bugs and plants...
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and then, when it finally grows,
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for some reason
you mow it all down again.
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Dad... gummit!
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Ohh...
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So, why the H-E-
double-frickin'-hockey-sticks
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do I put myself through this?
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SIMPLE: it's because a bunch
of crusty old Brits
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were obsessed with paintings.
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What?
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Way back in the schmancy-pants 1500s,
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British aristocrats became obsessed
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with emulating the fantastical,
dreamlike lawns
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they'd seen in Renaissance art.
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Servants...
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transform the grounds
into an expanse of green,
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like my favorite painting.
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(RON LAUGHS)
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Dumb, fancy Europeans
and their dumb, fancy fads.
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Well, in the 1800s,
those fads made their way
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to dumb, fancy America.
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American landscape designers
like Frank J. Scott
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were so taken
with these European lawns,
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they created weird and
arbitrary rules for their care
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and thrust them upon the public.
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My heavens!
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Those bulbs are exposed,
you naughty boy!
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It was even common for wealthy women
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to form gardening clubs
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that would travel to poor neighborhoods
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and pressure them to keep their
lawns in line.
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Listen up, poors!
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Turn your dirt into grass fast
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or you'll have to answer...
to the gardening club!
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Ugh... I hate when rich jerks
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try to tell me what to do.
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It's my house! I can do what I want!
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Unfortunately, ya can't.
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What?
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After World War II,
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with the advent
of mass-produced suburbs,
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lawns were put in place
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before houses were even sold,
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so those homeowners had no choice.
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Here's your keys.
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And here's your irritating obligation.
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Enjoy.
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And in some suburbs, like Levittown,
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residents were actually required
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to mow their lawns once a week.
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This is going to be you...
every Sunday... like church.
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Fast-forward to the present day...
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and the lawn has become so
ingrained in suburban life
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that if you don't
properly maintain one,
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your neighbors will hate you.
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Listen up, neighbor.
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You're driving down my property values.
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Now get your filthy lawn in shape
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or you'll have to answer
to the homeowners association!
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Many towns and homeowners associations
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even have strict rules
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about what you can and can't do
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with your lawn.
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Those who don't comply
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can be fined and even jailed.
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There he is, officer,
the lawn criminal.
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Arrest this... grasshole.
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Okay, okay! I'm mowing!
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The result is, if you wanna
live in the suburbs,
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you are forced to waste
time, money and water
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keeping up a foreign plant species
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that has no business being here.
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It was just a European fad
that got outta control.
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- (MOWER SPUTTERING)
- Ugh! Ohh!
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Oh, I hate this stupid thing!
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- (MOWER STARTS)
- Oh! Oh!
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(LAUGHING)
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Oh, Ron is back.
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Dad to Mission Control, over.
(IMITATES CLICK)
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Uh, this is Mission Control.
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You are cleared to mow.
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(LAUGHING)
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See? Huh?
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Even a little elbow grease is worth it
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to live in this nice, safe cul-de-sac.
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Mmm. Actually, cul-de-sacs
are very unsafe...
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and inefficient.
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But... I'll tell you about it
after your chores.
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I liked you better
when you were a bush.
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Ah... well...
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took all morning to mow this yard,
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but who had fun doing it?
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This guy.
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Now to move the van
and sweep the old driveway.
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A clean sweep.
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(LAUGHING)
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Vroom-vroom!
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Come back here, Lorraine Hamilton.
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Vroom!
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Hey, pal, are you drunk again?
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I'm racing with my friend,
Lorraine Hamilton.
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Vroom...!
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Of course you are.
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He is so creative
with his imaginary friends.
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Well, that's a cul-de-sac life.
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No safer place for a growing boy
and his dad.
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Actually...
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when it comes to traffic,
cul-de-sacs are unsafe.
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Did you know that traffic fatalities
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are 270% more likely in cul-de-sacs
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than in grid streets?
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Oh, that's a bunch of bull.
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(TIRES SCREECH)
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Oh! Little Donovan!
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Are you all right?
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Oh, oh... I am so sorry
I constantly joked
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you were a drunk child.
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That's okay. Bye!
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How did this happen?
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Well, maybe it happened
because cul-de-sacs lull you
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into a false sense of security,
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where the difference
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between sidewalk, street
and driveway are blurred.
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That makes drivers less attentive,
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thus more accidents.
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(TIRES SCREECH, THUD)
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(RON) Holy crow!
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Don't worry. He's just one
of the sketch characters
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from our show.
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In fact, the design
of cul-de-sac suburbs
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is bad for you on nearly every level.
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Come on!
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In a dense grid system, you can
walk from place to place.
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But the complex, maze-like design
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of cul-de-sac neighborhoods
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positions just about every
destination farther away,
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making walking practically impossible,
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which means you need your car
to get just about anywhere.
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This pattern of disorderly, far-flung,
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low-density neighborhoods
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is known as suburban sprawl.
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I feel trapped.
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Yeah, you should.
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Being dependent on cars means
more isolation, more accidents,
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and absurdly long commutes.
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(HORNS HONKING) Ugh, I hate my commute.
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You gotta listen to boring podcasts
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to pass the time,
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and I don't care if Adnan did it.
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Come on.
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Uh, boredom is
the least of your worries.
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People with lengthy car commutes
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suffer from disproportionate
levels of stress and pain,
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obesity, and are even
40% likelier to get a divorce.
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A study in Sweden even found
that people who live
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more than 31 miles from work
actually die sooner.
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(TIRES SCREECH, THUD)
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Holy moley, she was hit!
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Oh, she's just
a sketch character on our show.
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Literally. She's a sketch. (LAUGHS)
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Well, at least we got
sunshine and green grass,
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unlike the dirty city.
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Actually, when it comes to pollution,
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sprawl is much worse.
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One study found
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that suburbanites have
carbon footprints
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up to four times larger
than city dwellers.
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And not only is sprawl bad
for your health and the planet,
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it costs us a ton of money.
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Since homes here are so spread out,
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the suburban tax base
doesn't raise enough money
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to pay for its own infrastructure.
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Meanwhile, denser cities
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generate ten times as much
tax money per acre.
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As a result, they often have to
create special programs
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just to keep nearby suburbs afloat.
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In fact, compared to cities,
suburban sprawl costs
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in excess of
one trillion dollars per year.
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But I don't wanna live
on some government teat!
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The suburbs are supposed to
represent freedom, dadgummit!
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Actually, the suburbs
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systematically foster dependency.
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Oh. This is Dr. Richard Jackson,
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a pediatrician and a professor
of environmental health science
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at UCLA.
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Ron, research shows
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that the design of the suburbs
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dramatically reduces our freedom
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to be physically active.
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The cul-de-sac may be great
when your son's three or four,
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but as he gets older
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and needs to increase his autonomy,
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he will be unable to go anywhere
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without a parent driving him.
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That means he won't be able
to explore on his own
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and develop the skills he needs
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to become an independent adult.
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Well, I can just keep
driving him, then.
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Once I'm back from my endless commute.
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Well, one day your roles
will be reversed.
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At some point,
you'll be too old to drive,
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turning your house into a prison.
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(RON) If I can't drive,
how will I live?
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There isn't even a grocery store
in walking distance!
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(ADAM) And so, even after
little Donovan moves away,
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he'll still be tied
to this cul-de-sac...
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to help you.
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No! Go live your own life!
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At that point,
you'll be reliant on others
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to keep you alive.
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By 2035, over 50 million Americans
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will be facing that same dilemma,
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many who don't even have
a family to help them.
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And, unfortunately,
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we don't have an easy
or affordable way to fix it.
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The fact is, the design of
the suburbs actually makes you
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less independent, less healthy
and less safe.
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(RON) Little Donovan, no!
Get out of the street!
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Come on, chalky bush boy, take me back.
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I'm gonna break the record!
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Time me, Lorraine Hamilton!
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Ooh!
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(DRAMATIC MUSIC)
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Stop! Little Donovan!
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(TIRES SCREECH, THUD)
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Lorraine Hamilton! No!
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Lorraine Hamilton was real?
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Oh, my God, you were right.
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The suburbs are nothing
but an isolating hell-scape
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filled with constant car crashes.
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Well, we did exaggerate
the car crashes a little
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for comedic effect. (CHUCKLES)
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But... this place will
still give little Donovan
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a better life. Know why?
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Because of the schools. Huh? Huh?
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The suburbs have the best schools
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and there's no downside to that.
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00:11:17,589 --> 00:11:20,056
Actually, suburban schools
have a ton of downsides,
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but... I'll tell you about it
in a second.
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We should reallyan schools
help Lorraine. Downsides,
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Oh, yeah, good idea.
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Here you go, pal.
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Bologna sandwich and milk.
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I know you wanted whiskey,
but we're all out, you lush.
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(LAUGHING)
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Drunk kid reference, oh...
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it's fun again.
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Dad, can we play catch?
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Oh, not until you finish your homework.
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We moved to the suburbs
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so you could go to a good school,
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and apparently that is
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the only solid, unruinable
reason to be here.
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(ADAM, MUFFLED) Uh, not quite.
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Oh, no.
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You're right.
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00:11:53,372 --> 00:11:55,839
Schools are often better
in the suburbs.
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But have you ever wondered
why they're better?
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THAT'S EASY: better facilities,
better teachers,
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more funding.
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Right.
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00:12:03,328 --> 00:12:05,996
And how did your school
get those advantages?
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I don't know.
335
00:12:07,004 --> 00:12:08,770
We're just in a good community,
I guess.
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And which groups of people get to live
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in this community?
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00:12:12,951 --> 00:12:16,920
Wait, y... you're not saying
this is a white thing, are you?
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It... it's not so white here, look!
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Bad example.
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Ignore sweater dog people.
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A tote bag full of kale.
You're killing me, lady!
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00:12:25,447 --> 00:12:30,884
Okay, maybe... this neighborhood
is mostly to... completely to...
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insufferably white,
345
00:12:32,163 --> 00:12:34,697
but that, that's just
the way things are here.
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It doesn't mean we're racist.
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I'm sure you're not, Ron.
348
00:12:38,545 --> 00:12:41,613
But the fact that so many
suburbs are mostly white
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is no accident.
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It's the result of decades
of racist federal policy
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that affect us to this day. Look!
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00:12:49,971 --> 00:12:51,204
Hooray! Games!
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00:12:51,208 --> 00:12:53,475
What the heck kinda game is this?
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00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:58,082
It's Settlers of the Suburbs,
redlining edition.
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Cool!
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00:12:59,127 --> 00:13:00,560
Little Donovan, you be green.
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00:13:00,564 --> 00:13:01,896
Ron, you're red.
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All right, red, just like the name.
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00:13:04,673 --> 00:13:06,573
Looks like I've got the advantage.
360
00:13:06,578 --> 00:13:08,477
No. You don't.
361
00:13:08,481 --> 00:13:11,316
See, in the 1930s,
as part of the New Deal,
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FDR created loan programs
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to help Americans finance their homes.
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But, to decide who got those loans,
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00:13:18,439 --> 00:13:20,739
the government created color-coded maps
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in which green neighborhoods were good
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and red neighborhoods were bad.
368
00:13:25,020 --> 00:13:28,889
This practice
became known as redlining.
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Because of these policies,
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if you lived
in the green neighborhoods,
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it was super easy to get a home loan.
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00:13:33,908 --> 00:13:37,009
All right, I can buy property!
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00:13:38,486 --> 00:13:40,953
But the folks in the red areas?
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No loans were available.
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00:13:42,695 --> 00:13:45,229
I can barely afford rent with this.
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00:13:45,235 --> 00:13:46,534
It's no fair.
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00:13:46,537 --> 00:13:47,903
The red areas are screwed.
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Yeah, they were.
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00:13:49,377 --> 00:13:52,145
And do you know why some areas
were designated as red?
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No, but I can guess.
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Those were the neighborhoods
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where African Americans
and other minorities lived,
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and redlining
systematically prevented them
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from getting home loans.
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00:14:02,943 --> 00:14:04,810
Well, I know what I'll do.
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00:14:04,814 --> 00:14:06,413
Just take my little guy
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and put him in the green neighborhood.
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00:14:08,756 --> 00:14:11,357
Sorry! That's against the rules.
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00:14:11,363 --> 00:14:13,663
Early suburb developers
like William Levitt instituted
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00:14:13,668 --> 00:14:16,302
explicitly racist policies.
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00:14:23,792 --> 00:14:26,292
And the federal government
itself encouraged developers
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to discriminate.
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00:14:31,443 --> 00:14:33,343
The result of these policies
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00:14:33,348 --> 00:14:37,717
is that from 1934 through 1968,
a whopping 98% of home loans
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00:14:37,724 --> 00:14:40,324
were given to white families.
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00:14:40,330 --> 00:14:41,797
Yes...!
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00:14:41,801 --> 00:14:43,500
O-okay, this, this is not fair.
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00:14:43,504 --> 00:14:45,204
I did not get to pick what color I was
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00:14:45,208 --> 00:14:46,574
when I started.
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00:14:46,578 --> 00:14:48,278
Yeah. No one does.
401
00:14:48,283 --> 00:14:51,084
And this advantage
compounded over time.
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00:14:51,089 --> 00:14:53,489
The families in the green...
or white... neighborhoods
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00:14:53,495 --> 00:14:56,029
were able to purchase homes
and accrue wealth.
404
00:14:56,034 --> 00:14:57,233
The market went up!
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00:14:57,237 --> 00:14:59,604
I can sell my house
and buy a bigger one!
406
00:15:01,681 --> 00:15:03,948
Whereas the people
in the red neighborhoods
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00:15:03,953 --> 00:15:06,253
got none of those opportunities.
408
00:15:06,258 --> 00:15:08,191
I can't afford property.
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00:15:08,195 --> 00:15:11,330
I'm behind on my electric bill.
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00:15:11,337 --> 00:15:13,837
In the green neighborhoods,
the influx of new wealth
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00:15:13,842 --> 00:15:15,709
attracted new businesses.
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00:15:15,714 --> 00:15:18,982
Whoa... we got an organic grocery!
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00:15:18,988 --> 00:15:21,455
Which caused property values to go up.
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00:15:21,460 --> 00:15:23,960
Which meant white families
could sell their homes
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00:15:23,966 --> 00:15:26,033
and send their kids to college.
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00:15:27,207 --> 00:15:29,240
They grow up so fast.
417
00:15:29,245 --> 00:15:30,912
Passing down
their wealth and advantages
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00:15:30,916 --> 00:15:32,582
to future generations.
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00:15:32,586 --> 00:15:34,819
(FEMALE GROUP) ? Money, money ?
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00:15:34,824 --> 00:15:36,291
Meanwhile, the red neighborhoods
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00:15:36,295 --> 00:15:38,495
had far less ability to build wealth
422
00:15:38,500 --> 00:15:41,601
and many remained trapped in poverty.
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00:15:41,607 --> 00:15:42,606
This game is rigged!
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00:15:42,610 --> 00:15:43,976
Yeah, it was.
425
00:15:43,980 --> 00:15:46,147
That's why laws were eventually passed
426
00:15:46,152 --> 00:15:48,219
that made most of these
discriminatory practices...
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00:15:48,223 --> 00:15:49,689
illegal.
428
00:15:49,693 --> 00:15:51,693
Ah! Ha, great! Ha!
429
00:15:51,698 --> 00:15:54,165
Finally, I can move, and...
430
00:15:54,170 --> 00:15:56,036
I don't have enough money.
431
00:15:56,041 --> 00:15:57,207
Exactly.
432
00:15:57,210 --> 00:15:59,877
Without wealth, families
in the red neighborhoods
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00:15:59,883 --> 00:16:01,083
couldn't afford to move up,
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00:16:01,087 --> 00:16:04,655
keeping these communities
separated by race.
435
00:16:04,662 --> 00:16:07,162
Today, 70 years
after Levittown was created,
436
00:16:07,167 --> 00:16:09,268
it's still less than one percent black.
437
00:16:09,273 --> 00:16:11,106
Ha-ha! I may be dead,
438
00:16:11,110 --> 00:16:14,144
but the effect of my racism lives on.
439
00:16:14,150 --> 00:16:15,983
And if the neighborhoods
are segregated,
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00:16:15,988 --> 00:16:18,722
that means the schools are too.
441
00:16:18,727 --> 00:16:20,227
What? It...
442
00:16:20,231 --> 00:16:23,332
No, no, that, that, that can't be true.
443
00:16:23,339 --> 00:16:27,207
We ended school segregation
back in the '60s.
444
00:16:27,214 --> 00:16:29,715
Sorry, Ron, but I'm afraid
that's not true.
445
00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,620
Ron, this is Nikole Hannah-Jones.
446
00:16:31,625 --> 00:16:33,425
She's a New York Times
investigative reporter
447
00:16:33,429 --> 00:16:34,761
who covers civil rights issues,
448
00:16:34,765 --> 00:16:37,533
including school
and housing segregation.
449
00:16:37,539 --> 00:16:38,705
Nikole, would you mind telling Ron
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00:16:38,708 --> 00:16:40,741
what most people get wrong
about segregation?
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00:16:40,746 --> 00:16:42,813
People tend to think of segregation
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00:16:42,818 --> 00:16:45,185
as an archaic term
for Jim Crow policies
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00:16:45,190 --> 00:16:46,923
that led to the civil rights movement.
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00:16:46,927 --> 00:16:49,561
But the truth is that black children
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00:16:49,567 --> 00:16:51,667
are more segregated in schools now
456
00:16:51,672 --> 00:16:53,772
than at any time since the 1970s.
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00:16:53,777 --> 00:16:54,843
And in the U.S.,
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00:16:54,846 --> 00:16:57,813
schools are largely funded
by property taxes.
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00:16:57,819 --> 00:17:00,253
Since property values
in the white neighborhoods
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00:17:00,258 --> 00:17:01,557
are so much higher,
461
00:17:01,561 --> 00:17:04,295
their schools get way more money
to spend on things
462
00:17:04,301 --> 00:17:07,136
like facilities, teachers and supplies.
463
00:17:07,142 --> 00:17:08,307
On the other hand,
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predominantly black and Latino schools
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00:17:09,947 --> 00:17:11,647
are massively underfunded.
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00:17:11,652 --> 00:17:14,520
They're less likely to have
A.P. science and math courses,
467
00:17:14,526 --> 00:17:15,725
and they're the least likely
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00:17:15,728 --> 00:17:17,761
to have experienced
and qualified teachers.
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00:17:20,573 --> 00:17:22,807
The truth is,
little Donovan doesn't just go
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00:17:22,812 --> 00:17:24,311
to the best school.
471
00:17:24,315 --> 00:17:26,582
He goes to a segregated school.
472
00:17:26,587 --> 00:17:28,420
Oh, no, no, no.
473
00:17:28,424 --> 00:17:29,623
This is a direct result
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00:17:29,627 --> 00:17:31,761
of decades of redlining policies
475
00:17:31,766 --> 00:17:33,866
enacted by our own government
to build the suburbs.
476
00:17:33,871 --> 00:17:35,404
Highways that were built
477
00:17:35,408 --> 00:17:39,109
to make access to the suburbs
easier for white Americans
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00:17:39,116 --> 00:17:40,749
were often run right through
479
00:17:40,753 --> 00:17:42,220
black middle-class neighborhoods,
480
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destroying them.
481
00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,993
People in the past were the worst.
482
00:17:45,999 --> 00:17:47,532
It's not just the past.
483
00:17:47,536 --> 00:17:50,170
Banks still regularly charge
black home buyers
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00:17:50,176 --> 00:17:52,843
higher rates on loans than
they do white home buyers,
485
00:17:52,848 --> 00:17:54,815
even when they have the same credit.
486
00:17:54,820 --> 00:17:57,754
Worst of all, black
and Latino home seekers
487
00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,627
still experience four million incidents
488
00:17:59,631 --> 00:18:02,665
of illegal housing
discrimination every year.
489
00:18:02,671 --> 00:18:05,805
But... I mean, I didn't
do any of that stuff.
490
00:18:05,812 --> 00:18:07,579
I, I'm not racist
491
00:18:07,583 --> 00:18:09,850
and I worked hard to get this house.
492
00:18:09,855 --> 00:18:11,087
Of course.
493
00:18:11,091 --> 00:18:13,725
But without realizing it,
you've also gotten a leg up
494
00:18:13,730 --> 00:18:16,932
from America's history
of racist housing policies.
495
00:18:16,939 --> 00:18:18,438
The suburb you live in
496
00:18:18,442 --> 00:18:21,376
was built on a foundation
of segregation,
497
00:18:21,382 --> 00:18:23,516
and we can't close our eyes to that.
498
00:18:23,521 --> 00:18:25,521
You know what?
499
00:18:25,525 --> 00:18:27,658
I don't think I want
to raise little Donovan
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00:18:27,663 --> 00:18:28,996
in a place like this.
501
00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,499
Well, don't despair.
502
00:18:30,503 --> 00:18:31,903
There are things you can do that...
503
00:18:31,907 --> 00:18:33,740
No, no, no, save your breath, okay?
504
00:18:33,744 --> 00:18:35,177
Go pack your things, buddy.
505
00:18:35,181 --> 00:18:37,281
I'm selling this house.
506
00:18:37,286 --> 00:18:40,371
Oh, man, this is why
nobody finishes board games.
507
00:18:43,968 --> 00:18:47,036
?
508
00:18:47,042 --> 00:18:48,241
Hello, everyone!
509
00:18:48,245 --> 00:18:49,978
We're here on set
on "Adam Ruins Everything"
510
00:18:49,982 --> 00:18:51,148
with Nikole Hannah-Jones
511
00:18:51,152 --> 00:18:52,284
because I have way more questions
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00:18:52,287 --> 00:18:55,288
about housing and school
segregation in America.
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00:18:55,294 --> 00:18:57,061
So, this topic is such a stunning one
514
00:18:57,066 --> 00:18:58,232
because I grew up,
515
00:18:58,235 --> 00:19:00,769
like I think a lot of kids
my age did in America,
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00:19:00,775 --> 00:19:03,742
being told that we ended segregation,
517
00:19:03,748 --> 00:19:06,382
but American society
is not as integrated
518
00:19:06,387 --> 00:19:08,387
as the story that we tell ourselves,
519
00:19:08,392 --> 00:19:11,527
and, I mean, why do you think that is?
520
00:19:11,533 --> 00:19:12,799
Well, one, I think,
521
00:19:12,803 --> 00:19:14,736
often when we hear about segregation,
522
00:19:14,741 --> 00:19:16,674
we think of this
as a Southern phenomenon,
523
00:19:16,678 --> 00:19:18,578
as something that happened
way back then
524
00:19:18,583 --> 00:19:20,183
and happened way down there.
525
00:19:20,187 --> 00:19:21,553
But the truth is,
526
00:19:21,557 --> 00:19:23,056
the most segregated parts
of the country
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00:19:23,060 --> 00:19:24,293
have long been in the North.
528
00:19:24,296 --> 00:19:25,862
The difference is, in the South,
529
00:19:25,867 --> 00:19:28,434
because often black people
lived quite intimately
530
00:19:28,439 --> 00:19:29,638
with white Americans,
531
00:19:29,642 --> 00:19:31,476
then you would have laws that would say
532
00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:32,612
you couldn't go to this swimming pool,
533
00:19:32,616 --> 00:19:33,949
you couldn't go to this school.
534
00:19:33,952 --> 00:19:37,253
In the North, you can keep
your neighborhood white,
535
00:19:37,260 --> 00:19:38,559
then you can keep your swimming pools
536
00:19:38,563 --> 00:19:40,263
and your libraries
and your restaurants white
537
00:19:40,267 --> 00:19:42,901
because there are no black
people living in proximity.
538
00:19:42,906 --> 00:19:44,439
You don't have to have
a rule that says,
539
00:19:44,444 --> 00:19:46,611
"No black kids can swim in this
pool or go to this school,"
540
00:19:46,615 --> 00:19:48,815
because there just are none in the area
541
00:19:48,820 --> 00:19:50,686
because that's how things
have been engineered.
542
00:19:50,691 --> 00:19:51,891
We passed laws and said,
543
00:19:51,895 --> 00:19:53,427
"Okay, this is no longer legal,"
544
00:19:53,431 --> 00:19:54,798
but we didn't put any effort
545
00:19:54,802 --> 00:19:57,402
into actually undoing the
segregation that we created.
546
00:19:57,407 --> 00:20:01,042
It would require an equal or
even greater amount of effort
547
00:20:01,049 --> 00:20:02,248
to undo the segregation
548
00:20:02,252 --> 00:20:03,919
as it took to create it
in the first place.
549
00:20:03,923 --> 00:20:05,522
We've never had the will to do that.
550
00:20:05,526 --> 00:20:08,360
It's not like when we passed
the Fair Housing law in 1968,
551
00:20:08,366 --> 00:20:09,732
we started over
552
00:20:09,736 --> 00:20:11,603
and we equalized
all the housing values.
553
00:20:11,607 --> 00:20:13,106
We just continued with that,
554
00:20:13,110 --> 00:20:14,743
and so those white
neighborhoods continued
555
00:20:14,747 --> 00:20:17,715
to, um, see their property values rise,
556
00:20:17,721 --> 00:20:18,887
and black neighborhoods
557
00:20:18,891 --> 00:20:21,191
would see the property
values rise as well,
558
00:20:21,196 --> 00:20:23,096
but they started
so much further behind.
559
00:20:23,101 --> 00:20:25,568
So, it's not saying that white people
560
00:20:25,573 --> 00:20:26,973
haven't worked for anything,
561
00:20:26,977 --> 00:20:29,444
because clearly, uh, white
Americans have worked hard,
562
00:20:29,449 --> 00:20:30,615
but so have black Americans.
563
00:20:30,619 --> 00:20:32,418
They just were disadvantaged.
564
00:20:32,422 --> 00:20:34,122
So, back to schools.
565
00:20:34,126 --> 00:20:37,094
I mean, people seem like they
want to integrate schools more,
566
00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:39,033
you know, um, uh, how...
567
00:20:39,038 --> 00:20:40,504
what are the barriers to doing that?
568
00:20:40,508 --> 00:20:42,208
Even in neighborhoods
that are integrating,
569
00:20:42,212 --> 00:20:43,411
the schools are not,
570
00:20:43,415 --> 00:20:45,148
and that's kind of
the last line in the sand.
571
00:20:45,152 --> 00:20:46,585
White people are afraid
572
00:20:46,589 --> 00:20:48,289
if they put their children
into a diverse school,
573
00:20:48,294 --> 00:20:50,060
it's gonna harm their children.
574
00:20:50,064 --> 00:20:51,497
Well, and it's my understanding...
575
00:20:51,501 --> 00:20:52,767
I don't know the research
top to bottom...
576
00:20:52,771 --> 00:20:53,970
but it's my understanding
577
00:20:53,973 --> 00:20:55,940
that diverse schools
are good for all students.
578
00:20:55,945 --> 00:20:57,077
Is, is that correct?
579
00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,347
Absolutely. Um, diverse schools,
580
00:20:59,352 --> 00:21:00,818
for black and Latino children,
581
00:21:00,822 --> 00:21:02,322
ensure that they actually get
582
00:21:02,326 --> 00:21:04,225
the same resources
that white children get
583
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:06,431
in terms of instruction, curriculum,
584
00:21:06,436 --> 00:21:07,735
uh, quality teachers.
585
00:21:07,739 --> 00:21:09,472
For white children,
586
00:21:09,476 --> 00:21:12,310
it actually helps them
to be able to think better.
587
00:21:12,316 --> 00:21:13,816
They become better problem solvers.
588
00:21:13,820 --> 00:21:15,152
And you can think about this.
589
00:21:15,156 --> 00:21:16,322
If you work at a business
590
00:21:16,325 --> 00:21:17,891
and everyone grew up exactly the same
591
00:21:17,895 --> 00:21:19,362
and everyone thinks exactly the same,
592
00:21:19,366 --> 00:21:21,599
you all come up with
the same answers to problems.
593
00:21:21,604 --> 00:21:22,937
When you are dealing with people
594
00:21:22,941 --> 00:21:24,073
who have different experiences
595
00:21:24,077 --> 00:21:26,144
and have different ways of processing,
596
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:27,849
then you can find solutions.
597
00:21:27,853 --> 00:21:32,188
Look, clearly, this a huge, huge
systemic problem in our society
598
00:21:32,196 --> 00:21:33,729
that's gonna take a long time to fix,
599
00:21:33,733 --> 00:21:37,335
but what can we do on an
individual level to address it?
600
00:21:37,342 --> 00:21:39,675
Well, the first thing we can do
is actually live our values.
601
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,681
If we say we believe
in integration and equality,
602
00:21:42,687 --> 00:21:45,588
that means that we're gonna
have to give something up.
603
00:21:45,594 --> 00:21:49,363
You can't, um, say you want
equality for all children
604
00:21:49,370 --> 00:21:51,437
but then try to get advantage
for your own.
605
00:21:51,442 --> 00:21:53,675
Those two things
actually don't work together.
606
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,480
So I think, um, as a country,
607
00:21:55,484 --> 00:21:57,084
we have a lot of soul-searching to do.
608
00:21:57,088 --> 00:21:58,520
Do we, do we really believe
609
00:21:58,524 --> 00:22:00,291
that every child should have
the same opportunity?
610
00:22:00,296 --> 00:22:01,361
Because if that's true,
611
00:22:01,364 --> 00:22:03,431
we can't horde all of the opportunity
612
00:22:03,436 --> 00:22:04,635
for our children,
613
00:22:04,638 --> 00:22:06,872
and the same types of children
614
00:22:06,877 --> 00:22:09,077
who have always had the advantage.
615
00:22:09,082 --> 00:22:10,815
Well, thank you so much
for being here, Nikole.
616
00:22:10,820 --> 00:22:11,919
Thanks so much for having me.
617
00:22:13,593 --> 00:22:16,160
?
618
00:22:16,166 --> 00:22:18,633
So, it's got all-new floors
619
00:22:18,638 --> 00:22:19,937
and, and I remodeled the kitchen
620
00:22:19,941 --> 00:22:22,208
based on an episode
of "Property Brothers,"
621
00:22:22,213 --> 00:22:24,914
so... anyways, knock yourselves out.
622
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:29,856
There's all-new cabinets
and sinks and... whatever.
623
00:22:29,864 --> 00:22:31,864
Of course, the schools are all racist
624
00:22:31,869 --> 00:22:33,569
and your lawn is a rip-off
625
00:22:33,573 --> 00:22:36,340
and you'll probably kill one
of your kids with your car.
626
00:22:36,346 --> 00:22:37,512
(CAR SPEEDS PAST, TIRES SCREECH)
627
00:22:37,516 --> 00:22:39,483
Ron, those are all real problems,
628
00:22:39,487 --> 00:22:41,453
but you don't have to
leave the suburbs.
629
00:22:41,458 --> 00:22:43,292
There's a better way!
630
00:22:43,296 --> 00:22:44,795
Haven't you done enough already,
631
00:22:44,799 --> 00:22:46,332
you overgrown garden gnome?
632
00:22:46,337 --> 00:22:48,771
I am done listening to you.
633
00:22:48,776 --> 00:22:51,476
Well, maybe you'll listen
to Ellen Dunham-Jones,
634
00:22:51,481 --> 00:22:53,648
director of the urban design
program at Georgia Tech
635
00:22:53,653 --> 00:22:56,554
and a leading authority
on suburban redevelopment.
636
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,093
Ron, the good news is,
637
00:22:58,097 --> 00:23:00,197
now that we're aware of these problems,
638
00:23:00,202 --> 00:23:01,568
communities across the country
639
00:23:01,572 --> 00:23:04,306
are implementing real solutions
to fix them.
640
00:23:04,312 --> 00:23:06,279
Like in Atlanta,
641
00:23:06,283 --> 00:23:10,185
where a 22-mile park and
transit loop around the city
642
00:23:10,193 --> 00:23:12,994
is connecting
its suburban neighborhoods.
643
00:23:12,999 --> 00:23:15,299
or Pleasant Ridge, Ohio,
644
00:23:15,305 --> 00:23:18,239
which revitalized an old Main Street
645
00:23:18,245 --> 00:23:19,978
with new local businesses
646
00:23:19,982 --> 00:23:23,117
by designating it a community
entertainment district.
647
00:23:23,123 --> 00:23:24,422
(JACKSON) And you can
help encourage this
648
00:23:24,426 --> 00:23:25,992
by demanding that your neighborhood
649
00:23:25,996 --> 00:23:27,462
has protected routes,
650
00:23:27,466 --> 00:23:30,868
so every child can get to school
safely and independently.
651
00:23:30,875 --> 00:23:32,875
(HANNAH-JONES) And you can
lobby your state government
652
00:23:32,879 --> 00:23:34,812
to make school funding more equitable.
653
00:23:34,817 --> 00:23:37,184
And you can support the
integration of students of color
654
00:23:37,189 --> 00:23:38,555
into your local schools.
655
00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:40,292
(DUNHAM-JONES) The fact is, Ron,
656
00:23:40,296 --> 00:23:41,862
you don't have to leave the suburbs.
657
00:23:41,866 --> 00:23:44,701
Instead, you can help
to make them better.
658
00:23:44,707 --> 00:23:46,073
(DONOVAN) I don't wanna move, Dad!
659
00:23:46,077 --> 00:23:47,509
All my friends are here,
660
00:23:47,513 --> 00:23:50,781
like Lorraine Hamilton!
661
00:23:50,787 --> 00:23:52,454
You're right.
662
00:23:52,459 --> 00:23:54,292
This is my community...
663
00:23:54,296 --> 00:23:56,563
and I'm not giving up on it.
664
00:23:56,568 --> 00:23:59,135
All right, you looky-loos,
get outta here!
665
00:23:59,141 --> 00:24:01,875
Huh? We are staying.
666
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,446
Come here, little Donovan.
667
00:24:03,450 --> 00:24:04,649
Listen up.
668
00:24:04,653 --> 00:24:06,754
Now, this place,
it's got a lot of problems,
669
00:24:06,759 --> 00:24:09,226
but we're gonna work on fixing them...
670
00:24:09,231 --> 00:24:10,597
together.
671
00:24:10,601 --> 00:24:11,600
Okay.
672
00:24:11,603 --> 00:24:12,802
But right now, buddy,
673
00:24:12,806 --> 00:24:15,240
there's only one thing I wanna do.
674
00:24:15,245 --> 00:24:17,979
Little Donovan...
675
00:24:17,985 --> 00:24:19,484
you wanna have a catch?
676
00:24:19,488 --> 00:24:21,755
- Yeah.
- (TEARFULLY) Okay.
677
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:26,830
?
678
00:24:29,111 --> 00:24:31,545
Maybe I should move.
679
00:24:31,595 --> 00:24:36,145
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