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books today we're continuing our CPU and

GPU scaling Series this time with a

comparison between Intel's new Core i5

13400 And the tried and true AMD ryzen 7

5700x now as it stands the ryzen 7

processor is actually a good bit cheaper

at around 190 us whereas the 13400 is

currently fetching 240 U.S which is the

MSRP for this part as the most

affordable 13th gen Core i5 part the

13400 has quite a lot of you very

excited and while it looks quite good on

paper it might also look very familiar

to some of you with 6p cores four equals

and a 20 megabyte L3 cache you might

have mistaken as the core i5 12 600k

because well that's basically what it is

in fact when compared to the 12600k the

13400p cores a clock just 300 megahertz

lower at 4.6 gigahertz so a mere six

percent reduction there while the e-cors

have been closed Lockdown from 3.6

gigahertz to 3.3 gigahertz and that's a

slightly larger eight percent reduction

other than that they are basically the

same CPU with the only other notable

change being to the integrated Graphics

the 12 600k use the UHD 770 while the

13400 uses the UHD 730 sounds trivial

but the 770 does pack 33 more execution

units so that it is quite a significant

difference though at the end of the day

you won't be gaming with either one of

these Solutions so at least in that

sense it is a trivial difference now

when compared to the 12400 this newer

13th gen version and I do say 13th gen

with air quotes it clocks five percent

higher for the P cores while the 12 400

didn't offer any e-cors at all the 12

400 was also limited to an 18 megabyte

L3 cache and used the UHD 730 integrated

Graphics so that means when compared to

the 12 400 the 13 400 it is a big Gap

grade for those of you looking at

productivity performance but at today's

prices it does also cost 30 percent more

but as usual for this content we will be

focusing on gaming performance so I

thought it would be interesting to not

only compare the 13 400 with the 5700x

but also the previous generation value

champ the core i5 12400 along with the

ryzen 5 5600 so we have four CPUs in

total all of which can still be

purchased today for between 130 and 240

U.S

now given this is a GPU scaling

Benchmark we are obviously focusing on

gaming performance and in total we have

a dozen games all of which have been

tested at 1080p using the Radeon RX

6650xt 6950 XT and RTX 4090 now the

reason for testing at 1080p is quite

simple we want to minimize the GPU

bottleneck as we're looking at CPU

performance but by including a number of

different tier gpus we still get to view

the effects of GPU bottlenecks on the

CPU as for the test system specs we're

using ddr4 memory exclusive here as this

older but much cheaper memory standard

makes sense when talking about sub 250

us processors though there are certainly

scenarios where you would opt for ddr5

but for simplicity's sake we've gone for

an Apples to Apples comparison using

ddr4

I've also decided to use G skills rip

Jaws V series 32 gigabyte ddr4 3600cl 16

memory because at 115 us it is a good

quality kit that offers a nice balance

of price to Performance the am4

processors are able to run this kit at

the 3600 spec using the standard CL 16

1936 timings the locked Intel processors

though can't run above 34.66 if you want

to use the gear one mode and ideally you

do want to use the gear one mode as the

memory has to run well above 4000 before

Gear 2 can match the performance of gear

one and the reason for this limitation

is due to the fact that the system agent

or sa voltage is locked on non-k sku

processors and this limits the memory

controller's ability to support high

frequency memory using the gear one mode

and I should note that all overclocking

is locked down on these 13th gen Parts

there are no special motherboards that

can alade overclock all of them are

locked down there is no non-k

overclocking for 13th gen parts

so that being the case I've tested the

12 400 and 13 400 using the rip Jaws

memory adjusted to 3466 as this is the

most optimal configuration for these

processors short of going and manually

tuning the subtimes which we're not

doing for this content so let's get into

the benchmarks

starting with watchdog's Legion we find

very competitive results across the

board regardless of the GPU used it's

really crazy to see that we're actually

not that GPU limited when using the 6650

XT sure the 13400 was 21 faster with the

6950 XT but that's actually quite a

small margin given the difference in GPU

power there the GeForce driver I've had

is also visible here with the RTX 4090

coming in slightly slower than the 6950

XT that means we saw the highest frame

rates using the Radeon GPU but even so

the 13 400 and 5700x delivered basically

identical performance the Intel CPU is

just one and a half percent faster even

when compared to the much cheaper ryzen

5 5600 the 13400 doesn't look that

impressive winning that matchup by a

mere five percent margin

moving on to Warhammer 3 we see when

using the 6650 XT that all CPUs are

limited by the GPU at exactly 81 FPS and

even with the much faster 6950 XT we're

still quite heavily GPU limited this

time to around 180 FPS in fact it's not

until we employ the RTX 1490 that we

find the performance limits of these

CPUs the ryzen 5 5600 and core i5 12400

for example both capped out at around

200 FPS so very respectable performance

there the 5700x was however 12 fast in

the 5600 while the 13400 was 9 faster

than the 5700x so ultimately Intel does

win in this game though that doesn't

mean the core i5 is necessarily the

better value choice but of course we

will look at that a bit later on in the

video

next up we have Hitman 3 and no the 6950

XT and 40 90 results aren't mixed up

here for whatever reason the 40 series

currently suffers from really weak one

percent lows in this title and

presumably this is some kind of driver

related issue in any case the average

frame rate of the 6950x10 RTX 4090 are

quite similar at 1080p due to the

performance being CPU limited if we were

to increase the resolution therefore

reduce the CPU limitation we would start

to see the 6950 XT Trail the RTX 4090 by

a larger margin of course if we were to

use much faster CPUs then it wouldn't

require a 4K resolution but just want to

make it clear that the 6950 XT is in no

way a competitor to the RTX 4090 we are

heavily limiting the RTX 4090 here at

1080p with these lower end CPUs or at

least lower end by today's standards now

the more limited and heavily utilized 12

400 and 5600 did perform quite a bit

better with the Radeon GPU again due to

nvidia's driver overhead which sends

performance backwards in high CPU

utilization scenarios for the most part

though there was little to no

performance difference between these

four CPUs

the a plague tail Requiem results are

heavily CPU limited when using the RTX

4090 and 6950 XT the 6650 XT on the

other hand heavily GPU limited

performance to 68 FPS as all four CPUs

could easily meet that performance

Target now with the 6950 XT we see that

the 5700x and 3400 delivered the same

level of performance while the 5600 and

12 400 were also comparable however

things look a bit different with the RTX

4090 namely for the 5600 which appears

overwhelmed by the additional overhead

dropping well below the 5700x with just

87 FPS on average the 5700x and 13400

though did deliver comparable

performance

next up we have Call of Duty Modern

Warfare 2 using the basic quality preset

as this is a competitive multiplayer

shooter so lower quality settings are

typically used to not just boost frame

rates but also make it easier to spot

enemy players with the 6650xt we see

that performance is largely GPU limited

with just a seven percent performance

difference between the fastest and

slowest CPUs tested the 5700x for

example was just three percent faster

than 13 400 so in other words

performance was basically identical

moving to the 6950 XT largely removes

the GPU bottleneck and now the 5700x is

a massive 37 faster than the 13400 which

is a surprisingly large margin very

surprising in fact the 13 400 was just

five percent fast and the 12 400 so a

very Mild improvement there while the

5700x was 20 faster than the 5600 we're

also seeing similar margins with the RTX

4090 though due to the overhead here the

CPU limited results are slightly slower

with the GeForce GPU

Spider-Man remastered is a very CPU

limited game especially with Ray tracing

enabled that said we do see some

performance improvement from the 6650 XT

to the 6950 XT particularly when looking

at the core i5 processors interestingly

the ryzen processors did see a

performance uplift when moving from the

6950 XT to the RTX 4090 around a 9 gain

while the 13400 saw a seven percent

Improvement

I suspect memory performance is the key

limiting factor for the ryzen processors

and namely its dram latency which will

be responsible for why the core i5 has

performed so much better here using the

RTX 490 the 13400 was 13 faster than the

5700x

the shadow of the Tomb Raider results

are quite interesting using the 6650 XT

the results are highly predictable here

we're entirely GPU limited so all CPUs

were capped at 110 FPS however this

limit was removed with the 6950 XT and

RTX 490 now the results are CPU limited

basically the 12 400 and 5600 were

evenly matched with the 13 400 and 5700x

also evenly matched delivering around

eight percent more performance than

those cheaper models

moving along we have Horizon zero Dawn

and this total always seems to heavily

favor AMD processors and we're certainly

seeing an example of that here the 5700x

was 17 faster than the 13400 when using

the RTX 4090 and 9 faster when using the

6950 XT interestingly the 5700x was

slower using the 6950 XT while the 13400

delivered its best results with the old

rdna2 flagship

moving on to the cyberpunk 2077 results

we find when a CPU limited the game

plays best with the Radeon GPU evident

by the fact that the 6950xt was up to 12

faster than the RTX 4090 seen when using

the ryzen 5 5600 if we look at the 6950

XT results we see the 13 400 is three

percent faster than the 12 400 while the

5600 and 5700x both hit a wall at 154

FPS

performance overall though was similar

with the 13400 beating the 5700x by a

six percent margin

ACC has been tested using the medium

quality preset and as a result the game

is heavily CPU limited and we're seeing

this even with the 6650 XT still the

5700x was around five to ten percent

fast in the 5600 which also made it

seven to ten percent faster than the

Thirteen four hundred the extra cores

and small frequency Advantage the ryzen

7 processor has over the 5600 is clearly

helping here while the small frequency

bumped the 13400 enjoys over the 12 400

is virtually worthless in this example

the rift breaker results are really

interesting and perhaps in part explains

why the AMD processors typically do

poorly in this title for our CPU testing

which normally only features the RTX

4090 we see when using the 6950 XT the

5700x and 13400 both delivered basically

identical performance at around 140 FPS

on average however when switching to the

RTX 490 we see some interesting changes

firstly the 5700x is slower dropping six

percent of the performance seen with the

Radeon GPU meanwhile the 3400 actually

gains performance becoming eight percent

faster and that means with the GeForce

GPU the Intel processor is a massive 18

faster so it's possible how do I use say

the 7900 XTX that the 13400 and 5700x

would deliver comparable performance

okay last up we have Counter-Strike

Global Offensive and as you can probably

tell this title is very much CPU limited

and that's really the case regardless of

the visual quality settings used here

the 5700x is around 13 to 16 faster than

the 13 400 and interestingly the core i5

processor struggles the most with the

RTX 4090 same we're looking at the one

percent lows still if you happen to be

using a Radeon GPU it's going to be very

difficult to tell the difference between

these two CPUs

now here's a look at the 12-game average

data and as you can see the 5700x and

13400 are extremely evenly matched using

the RTX 490 the 5700x was a mere two

percent faster than three percent faster

using the 6950 XT and then back to two

percent faster with the 6650 XT so given

those margins are well within five

percent I think it's fair to say that

overall the 5700x and 13400 delivered

the exact same level of gaming

performance it's also well worth noting

that for gaming the 13400 was just four

percent faster than the 12 400 which

makes sense given it's only clocked five

percent higher therefore when it comes

to gaming the 13400 really isn't an

upgrade over the 12 400 that also means

that for the most part it's not a great

deal faster than the ryzen 5 5600

despite costing significantly more so

from a value perspective the 13400 does

appear very weak finally here's the cost

per frame analysis and for this one I'm

just going to compare the CPU cost given

all CPUs use the same memory and

motherboard prices are also very similar

that being the case the ryzen 5 5600 is

by far the best value part here offering

a little over 20 more value than the 12

400 and over 40 percent more than the 13

400. meanwhile the 5700x is better value

than the 12 400 and significantly better

value than the 13400 reducing the cost

per frame by 27 of course these margins

are reduced once you factor in the

motherboard and memory but the point is

the 5700x presents as a far better

investment for gamers at 180 than the

13400 does at 240 dollars

for productivity the 3400 will fare a

lot better but even there we've seen in

the past that the 5700x and 12 600k do

trade blows depending on the workload

and I'd say best case the 12 600k is

faster in an application like cinebench

but again it costs 33 more so it's not

exactly a clear win here either okay so

like the core I3 13 100 the core i5

13400

it's pretty much Dead on Arrival at

least at the current asking price if

you're watching this video well into the

future and this CPU is now heavily

discounted then possibly a good buy

that's something you'll have to evaluate

but essentially for Intel to be

competitive here today right now these

new locked 13th gen Parts which I say

new because they are essentially just

12th gen processors with a new name but

whatever the case they need to launch at

the same price as the 12th gen parts

that they are effectively replacing so

in other words

the 13400 should be coming in at the

current asking price of the 12 400. so

in the case of the 13 100 rather than

being priced at 150 U.S it should have

launched 130 us at the most and really

today should be at most a 100 part like

the 12 100 F the 13 400 it just suffers

the exact same issue 240 for this

processor makes no sense at all how it

costs more than the ryzen 5 7 600 but

worse than that is the fact that the 12

400 can be had for 180 and while it

doesn't have the 4E cores Gamers really

aren't going to care about that also

Heavens forbid a new generation of

product actually offers something extra

at the same price point sadly this no

longer seems to be a thing in the PC

space or at the very least it's becoming

increasingly rare then of course there's

the ryzen 7 5700x which can be had for

as little as 180 us and the am4 platform

has almost endless affordable quality

motherboard options as well as cheap CPU

upgrades you'd really only buy the 3400

over the 5700x or 12 400 because you

were interested in productivity

performance but in that situation the

13500 makes significantly more sense as

it costs just ten dollars more comes

with twice as many equals 20 more L3

cash and clocks four to six percent

higher not only that but the 13 400 will

be around five percent slower than the

12 600k and with the 12 600k now

available for 250 dollars what's exactly

the point of a 3400 it's a locked part

which costs basically the same amount as

the unlocked version but then you can

just spend ten dollars more and get the

3500 which has twice as many equals and

more cash as I've said so yeah this one

really is Dead on Arrival it's up

pointless rebranding that really just

didn't need to happen so in my opinion

for between 200 and 250 U.S your best

CPU options right now include the ryzen

5 7 600 ryzen 7 5700x or core i5 13500 I

can very easily make an argument for

each of these options they're all valid

depending on your preferences but in

short the 5700x is the value King it can

take advantage of affordable b550

motherboards and ddr4 memory meanwhile

the 13500 it's a budget productivity

King it can be paired with either ddr4

or ddr5 memory and it's supported by a

range of Intel 600 and 700 series

motherboards then the ryzen 5 7600 it's

the least affordable of the three but it

offers by far the best gaming

performance and is without question

backed by a superior platform that will

support future CPU Generations the 13400

though unless it drops to at least 180

us you can just ignore it completely in

favor of one of the three processes just

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