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Yesterday afternoon near Chowchilla, California. 11 00:00:37,538 --> 00:00:39,874 [music continues] 12 00:00:39,957 --> 00:00:42,001 (newscaster #1) President Ford directed the Attorney General 13 00:00:42,084 --> 00:00:44,211 to use all available government resources. 14 00:00:44,295 --> 00:00:45,838 The California National Guard 15 00:00:45,921 --> 00:00:48,507 joins state local police and the FBI 16 00:00:48,591 --> 00:00:52,136 in a giant search for the children and the driver. 17 00:00:52,219 --> 00:00:53,471 (female #1) It was like somebody 18 00:00:53,554 --> 00:00:54,930 come down from Mars 19 00:00:55,014 --> 00:00:56,974 and just took 'em off the planet. 20 00:00:57,057 --> 00:00:58,851 (male #1) Was it an outright kidnapping? 21 00:00:58,934 --> 00:01:02,188 A psychopath or sex maniac on the loose? 22 00:01:02,271 --> 00:01:04,190 Whoever did it, put a great deal of planning 23 00:01:04,273 --> 00:01:06,108 and effort and you might even say money. 24 00:01:06,192 --> 00:01:07,610 (male #2) There may never have been 25 00:01:07,693 --> 00:01:09,320 as anguishing a mystery. 26 00:01:09,403 --> 00:01:10,946 (female #2) It's the worst kind of story 27 00:01:11,030 --> 00:01:12,615 you could tell. 28 00:01:12,698 --> 00:01:13,908 (female #3) Being buried alive 29 00:01:13,991 --> 00:01:15,576 is our worst fear. 30 00:01:15,659 --> 00:01:16,952 (female #4) The Chowchilla kids 31 00:01:17,036 --> 00:01:18,954 showed the world what childhood trauma 32 00:01:19,038 --> 00:01:20,915 really does to a person. 33 00:01:20,998 --> 00:01:22,875 (female #5) My childhood ended 34 00:01:22,958 --> 00:01:25,002 July 15, 1976. 35 00:01:25,085 --> 00:01:28,380 I will never get back the kid... 36 00:01:28,464 --> 00:01:31,717 ...that I was. That-that kid stayed underground. 37 00:01:31,801 --> 00:01:33,677 (male #3) That happened for each and every one of us. 38 00:01:33,761 --> 00:01:35,137 [dramatic music] 39 00:01:38,516 --> 00:01:41,519 [instrumental music] 40 00:01:45,439 --> 00:01:49,735 (female #6) Chowchilla is in central California. 41 00:01:49,819 --> 00:01:51,904 It was very small-town USA. 42 00:01:52,822 --> 00:01:54,406 [train horn blaring] 43 00:01:54,490 --> 00:01:56,033 (male narrator) Chowchilla is a place 44 00:01:56,116 --> 00:01:57,618 where time can seem to stand still. 45 00:01:57,701 --> 00:01:58,994 But there's always something 46 00:01:59,078 --> 00:02:01,121 that need to be planted or harvested 47 00:02:01,205 --> 00:02:03,332 as the cycle of life continues. 48 00:02:03,415 --> 00:02:05,000 By the time I was there 49 00:02:05,084 --> 00:02:06,544 in 1970 50 00:02:06,627 --> 00:02:09,421 it was mainly cattle and farming. 51 00:02:09,505 --> 00:02:10,965 (Ed Bates) They had a fair and a rodeo. 52 00:02:11,048 --> 00:02:12,383 (female announcer) '12:46.' 53 00:02:12,466 --> 00:02:13,801 [horses neighing] 54 00:02:13,884 --> 00:02:16,178 (Ed Bates) Each year, they had a cattle drive. 55 00:02:16,262 --> 00:02:17,638 [police siren wailing] 56 00:02:17,721 --> 00:02:19,098 [cows mooing] 57 00:02:19,181 --> 00:02:20,599 Right through the center of town. 58 00:02:23,018 --> 00:02:25,688 (Mike) My dad was a world champion 59 00:02:25,771 --> 00:02:26,772 steer wrestler. 60 00:02:26,856 --> 00:02:28,732 [music continues] 61 00:02:28,816 --> 00:02:30,860 I was raised right. 62 00:02:30,943 --> 00:02:33,654 Really to believe in God 63 00:02:33,737 --> 00:02:36,991 and cowboy. 64 00:02:37,074 --> 00:02:40,744 At an early age, I knew I wanted to be a rodeo cowboy 65 00:02:40,828 --> 00:02:44,039 like my dad and his friends. 66 00:02:44,123 --> 00:02:47,042 (Jennifer) Chowchilla was a wonderful place to grow up. 67 00:02:47,126 --> 00:02:48,586 We'd catch frogs. 68 00:02:48,669 --> 00:02:51,380 We'd go roller skating down the hills. 69 00:02:51,463 --> 00:02:53,090 Go play in the mud. 70 00:02:53,173 --> 00:02:55,217 In the irrigation ditches. 71 00:02:55,301 --> 00:02:56,719 The town had no crime. 72 00:02:56,802 --> 00:02:58,512 No crime at all. 73 00:02:58,596 --> 00:03:00,514 (Patricia) You didn't have murders. 74 00:03:00,598 --> 00:03:02,641 You didn't have a lot of big cases. 75 00:03:02,725 --> 00:03:04,310 It wasn't uncommon to go 76 00:03:04,393 --> 00:03:05,978 all night long on a graveyard shift 77 00:03:06,061 --> 00:03:08,147 and the phone not ring one time. 78 00:03:08,230 --> 00:03:10,524 (Lenore) In Chowchilla, the children could develop 79 00:03:10,608 --> 00:03:12,818 a sense of basic trust. 80 00:03:12,902 --> 00:03:15,988 And that is an important foundation in early life. 81 00:03:16,071 --> 00:03:19,491 That sense, that you can just sort of trust the world. 82 00:03:19,575 --> 00:03:22,202 [church bell dinging] 83 00:03:22,286 --> 00:03:24,788 (Larry) It's one of the few towns in America 84 00:03:24,872 --> 00:03:28,083 that had fewer bars than it had churches. 85 00:03:28,167 --> 00:03:29,710 [laughs] 86 00:03:29,793 --> 00:03:33,213 As a child, God was very real to me. 87 00:03:33,297 --> 00:03:37,217 (pastor) By the power of our living God... 88 00:03:37,301 --> 00:03:40,095 (Larry) We had angels, demons. 89 00:03:40,179 --> 00:03:43,557 I could imagine Satan's army. 90 00:03:43,641 --> 00:03:45,601 My dad said that we all have 91 00:03:45,684 --> 00:03:47,144 a guardian angel 92 00:03:47,227 --> 00:03:49,939 that keeps those demons at bay. 93 00:03:50,022 --> 00:03:53,400 You imprint that on a three year old's brain 94 00:03:53,484 --> 00:03:56,111 and there is just no doubt. 95 00:03:56,195 --> 00:03:57,279 [kids chattering] 96 00:03:57,363 --> 00:03:58,405 (Lynda) At the time 97 00:03:58,489 --> 00:04:00,032 we were in summer school. 98 00:04:00,115 --> 00:04:01,992 We did arts and crafts, ceramics. 99 00:04:02,076 --> 00:04:03,160 We got to go swimming. 100 00:04:03,243 --> 00:04:05,371 [water splashes] 101 00:04:05,454 --> 00:04:08,415 I remember we had actually started a petition 102 00:04:08,499 --> 00:04:10,334 so that we could have an extra two weeks of summer school. 103 00:04:10,417 --> 00:04:12,169 'Cause we were having so much fun 104 00:04:12,252 --> 00:04:13,671 we did not want it to end. 105 00:04:15,047 --> 00:04:16,632 I have a large family. 106 00:04:16,715 --> 00:04:18,258 I'm third youngest 107 00:04:18,342 --> 00:04:20,594 in a family of eleven. 108 00:04:20,678 --> 00:04:23,764 That day, I had three siblings on the bus 109 00:04:23,847 --> 00:04:25,766 and two cousins. 110 00:04:25,849 --> 00:04:27,685 We were little innocent children. 111 00:04:33,065 --> 00:04:35,943 [ominous music] 112 00:04:42,032 --> 00:04:43,409 (Ed Ray) Okay, load 'em. 113 00:04:43,492 --> 00:04:45,077 -Want to load em'? Come on. -Yup. 114 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,829 (boy #1) Where we going? Where are we going? 115 00:04:46,912 --> 00:04:48,956 (Ed Ray) We're going home. Take you home. 116 00:04:49,039 --> 00:04:51,458 (Lynda) Ed Ray was the driver that day. 117 00:04:51,542 --> 00:04:53,627 He was a local farmer. 118 00:04:53,711 --> 00:04:56,839 You could tell, this man was bucking his own hay. 119 00:04:56,922 --> 00:04:59,675 (Larry) Yet, he was so kind. 120 00:04:59,758 --> 00:05:01,969 He knew all the kids by first name. 121 00:05:02,052 --> 00:05:03,387 Knew most of their parents. 122 00:05:03,470 --> 00:05:04,847 (Glen) There's not a one of them 123 00:05:04,930 --> 00:05:06,140 that didn't want to hug his back 124 00:05:06,223 --> 00:05:07,975 when they got on the bus. 125 00:05:08,058 --> 00:05:09,601 (Mike) I remember mom would come get me 126 00:05:09,685 --> 00:05:11,645 every day at noon all summer. 127 00:05:11,729 --> 00:05:14,023 And the day before... 128 00:05:14,106 --> 00:05:17,735 ...the kidnapping, I got into my mom's beer 129 00:05:17,818 --> 00:05:20,654 and...tried to make some popcorn 130 00:05:20,738 --> 00:05:22,781 almost burnt the house. 131 00:05:22,865 --> 00:05:24,324 She walked in and said 132 00:05:24,408 --> 00:05:26,827 "Okay, Mike, well, your punishment is, you know 133 00:05:26,910 --> 00:05:28,662 you're gonna have to ride the bus home tomorrow." 134 00:05:29,955 --> 00:05:31,665 [instrumental music] 135 00:05:31,749 --> 00:05:34,168 That day, I was out in the orchard 136 00:05:34,251 --> 00:05:36,962 with the teacher's daughter 137 00:05:37,046 --> 00:05:39,214 messing around and stuff and, heh 138 00:05:39,298 --> 00:05:42,509 the bus is starting to leave at 3:30. 139 00:05:42,593 --> 00:05:45,387 And, she's like, "You better go get on the bus. 140 00:05:45,471 --> 00:05:46,972 Buses are leaving." 141 00:05:47,056 --> 00:05:49,308 So I took off running 142 00:05:49,391 --> 00:05:52,436 and flagged down the last bus leaving 143 00:05:52,519 --> 00:05:53,896 which was Edward's. 144 00:05:56,231 --> 00:05:58,942 ♪ Bending over miles of cotton ♪ 145 00:05:59,026 --> 00:06:01,570 ♪ Finally ruined my daddy's back ♪ 146 00:06:03,739 --> 00:06:05,657 ♪ As he overcompensated for me ♪ 147 00:06:05,741 --> 00:06:08,452 (Jennifer) When we loaded up on the bus 148 00:06:08,535 --> 00:06:11,330 I went to the very back so that I could be rowdy 149 00:06:11,413 --> 00:06:13,082 and talk with my friends. 150 00:06:13,165 --> 00:06:17,002 I was a very outgoing, outspoken child. 151 00:06:17,086 --> 00:06:21,381 And I was constantly getting in trouble on the bus for talking. 152 00:06:21,465 --> 00:06:25,677 ♪ As he pulled me through that hot Chowchilla dust ♪ 153 00:06:25,761 --> 00:06:29,431 (Jennifer) My brother Jeff was also on the bus. 154 00:06:29,515 --> 00:06:32,267 He was one year ahead of me in school. 155 00:06:32,351 --> 00:06:33,685 An honorable student. 156 00:06:33,769 --> 00:06:37,397 Basically an all American kid. 157 00:06:37,481 --> 00:06:39,358 (Lynda) Jeff was right in front of me, by the way. 158 00:06:39,441 --> 00:06:40,984 He was a sweetheart. 159 00:06:41,068 --> 00:06:42,861 He was my ten-year-old boyfriend. 160 00:06:42,945 --> 00:06:47,074 ♪ As I'm falling through the hot Chowchilla dust ♪♪ 161 00:06:47,157 --> 00:06:50,202 (Larry) As a child, I was hyperactive. 162 00:06:50,285 --> 00:06:52,955 I was such a problem on the bus 163 00:06:53,038 --> 00:06:54,414 you couldn't keep me in a seat. 164 00:06:54,498 --> 00:06:57,209 And me being me, I forgot to take my... 165 00:06:57,292 --> 00:06:58,710 ...meds that day. 166 00:06:58,794 --> 00:07:00,212 I was moving seats. 167 00:07:00,295 --> 00:07:02,005 Bugging this person and hitting this person 168 00:07:02,089 --> 00:07:04,883 and pulling this person's hair. 169 00:07:04,967 --> 00:07:06,593 My sister Andrea 170 00:07:06,677 --> 00:07:09,304 was sitting by me on the bus. 171 00:07:09,388 --> 00:07:11,431 She was getting me to relax. 172 00:07:11,515 --> 00:07:14,143 Basically, she was my best friend. 173 00:07:17,020 --> 00:07:18,522 I remember, a lot of the girls had a crush 174 00:07:18,605 --> 00:07:22,734 on the 14-year-old cowboy, Mike Marshall. 175 00:07:22,818 --> 00:07:26,196 (Lynda) He was definitely a handsome, 14-year-old boy. 176 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,365 (Larry) Never heard of him. 177 00:07:28,448 --> 00:07:31,076 Never really seen him before. 178 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:32,661 Here is this kid 179 00:07:32,744 --> 00:07:35,956 who comes out of complete obscurity 180 00:07:36,039 --> 00:07:37,791 for the sole purpose... 181 00:07:39,459 --> 00:07:41,295 ...that God knew 182 00:07:41,378 --> 00:07:42,713 what was about to happen. 183 00:07:44,131 --> 00:07:47,009 [ominous music] 184 00:07:48,802 --> 00:07:50,512 We were driving home. 185 00:07:52,931 --> 00:07:55,976 As usual, we were dropping kids off 186 00:07:56,059 --> 00:07:58,770 along the way. 187 00:07:58,854 --> 00:08:03,734 We're in the middle of the orchards and fields. 188 00:08:03,817 --> 00:08:05,068 We turn this corner... 189 00:08:07,321 --> 00:08:08,488 ...and Ed Ray stopped. 190 00:08:08,572 --> 00:08:10,365 [brakes hiss] 191 00:08:10,449 --> 00:08:11,450 [music continues] 192 00:08:13,911 --> 00:08:16,955 (interviewer #1) I'd like you to tell me, in your own words first 193 00:08:17,039 --> 00:08:18,749 uh, when you're riding the bus 194 00:08:18,832 --> 00:08:20,876 just tell me what you remember. 195 00:08:20,959 --> 00:08:23,837 (Jennifer) There was this white van parked on the road. 196 00:08:23,921 --> 00:08:25,589 And then... 197 00:08:25,672 --> 00:08:26,715 [loud thumping] 198 00:08:26,798 --> 00:08:29,009 [dramatic music] 199 00:08:29,092 --> 00:08:31,178 Two guys jumped out with guns... 200 00:08:34,723 --> 00:08:36,391 ...and one told Ed to open his door. 201 00:08:36,475 --> 00:08:37,809 [banging on door] 202 00:08:37,893 --> 00:08:40,395 [dramatic music] 203 00:08:42,231 --> 00:08:43,607 So Ed opened the door. 204 00:08:46,443 --> 00:08:47,945 And then the guy got in. 205 00:08:48,028 --> 00:08:50,614 He had a pantyhose over his head. 206 00:08:50,697 --> 00:08:54,368 He told Edward to go to the back of the bus. 207 00:08:54,451 --> 00:08:56,203 (Mike) When Edward opened the door 208 00:08:56,286 --> 00:08:59,081 one of the kids, Jeff Brown 209 00:08:59,164 --> 00:09:01,625 he got up and said "We didn't do it." 210 00:09:01,708 --> 00:09:03,126 And everybody kinda laughed. 211 00:09:03,210 --> 00:09:04,670 He thought it was a joke. 212 00:09:06,338 --> 00:09:08,423 (Lynda) I was scared, so I ducked 213 00:09:08,507 --> 00:09:09,925 under my seat. 214 00:09:10,008 --> 00:09:12,594 [tense music] 215 00:09:14,763 --> 00:09:18,892 (Larry) Ed Ray got up and he moved to the back. 216 00:09:21,812 --> 00:09:24,231 I went back over to my sister Andrea. 217 00:09:24,314 --> 00:09:25,649 I held her hand. 218 00:09:28,610 --> 00:09:30,320 The guy with a shotgun 219 00:09:30,404 --> 00:09:32,906 he's scaring me with his gun. 220 00:09:32,990 --> 00:09:35,409 (Young Mike on tape) They told everybody in the first two seats 221 00:09:35,492 --> 00:09:37,286 to go to the back of the bus. 222 00:09:37,369 --> 00:09:39,371 And I was in the fourth seat. 223 00:09:39,454 --> 00:09:41,790 Everybody was scared. 224 00:09:41,873 --> 00:09:43,792 (Lynda) They kept their gun pointed in the direction 225 00:09:43,875 --> 00:09:45,085 of all of us children. 226 00:09:45,168 --> 00:09:47,462 So it was the whole time 227 00:09:47,546 --> 00:09:48,880 pointed at the children. 228 00:09:50,132 --> 00:09:52,092 [tense music] 229 00:09:52,175 --> 00:09:55,470 Even more scary was the pantyhose 230 00:09:55,554 --> 00:09:57,431 that they had pulled over their face. 231 00:09:58,890 --> 00:10:00,934 (Larry) They were tight. 232 00:10:01,018 --> 00:10:03,437 Smashing their nose down. 233 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,398 Their eyes were hollow. 234 00:10:06,481 --> 00:10:09,318 They reminded me of demons. 235 00:10:09,401 --> 00:10:12,321 [sinister music] 236 00:10:14,698 --> 00:10:17,159 And then all of a sudden, we were driving. 237 00:10:19,995 --> 00:10:22,372 (Mike) I'm trying to figure out what's going on. 238 00:10:22,456 --> 00:10:25,250 If I can figure out the why... 239 00:10:25,334 --> 00:10:27,878 ...to maybe I can figure out a way to... 240 00:10:30,422 --> 00:10:32,632 ...interrupt what's going to come next. 241 00:10:34,593 --> 00:10:37,804 And we drive a little further and the guy runs the bus 242 00:10:37,888 --> 00:10:39,264 into a big slew. 243 00:10:39,348 --> 00:10:41,725 [rumbling] 244 00:10:41,808 --> 00:10:44,603 [ominous music] 245 00:10:44,686 --> 00:10:46,605 (Lynda) It was a deep incline. 246 00:10:48,357 --> 00:10:51,401 We were jostled all over the place. 247 00:10:51,485 --> 00:10:54,404 When we finally stopped, we saw another van. 248 00:10:54,488 --> 00:10:57,324 Now there was a white van and a green van. 249 00:10:59,701 --> 00:11:01,328 (Larry) The van drove right back 250 00:11:01,411 --> 00:11:03,455 to the door of the bus. 251 00:11:05,123 --> 00:11:07,000 And then they had all the kids 252 00:11:07,084 --> 00:11:09,169 on the right hand side... 253 00:11:09,252 --> 00:11:12,672 ...go into the white van. 254 00:11:12,756 --> 00:11:15,634 (Jennifer) In that first group of children was my brother. 255 00:11:15,717 --> 00:11:18,011 He turned and looked at me down my aisle. 256 00:11:18,095 --> 00:11:19,679 He gave me that look of 257 00:11:19,763 --> 00:11:22,182 "You just need to be quiet." 258 00:11:22,265 --> 00:11:23,475 And so I did. 259 00:11:23,558 --> 00:11:25,185 I had seen enough TV shows 260 00:11:25,268 --> 00:11:27,062 that I knew that 261 00:11:27,145 --> 00:11:29,981 this was serious. 262 00:11:30,065 --> 00:11:31,483 (Mike) I was the first one 263 00:11:31,566 --> 00:11:34,152 getting into the van. 264 00:11:34,236 --> 00:11:36,154 Going through the door, there's another guy 265 00:11:36,238 --> 00:11:38,323 standing there like a statue 266 00:11:38,407 --> 00:11:40,617 pointing his gun straight through. 267 00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:41,993 So you had to go by him. 268 00:11:42,077 --> 00:11:44,162 [ominous music] 269 00:11:44,246 --> 00:11:47,749 They had plywood all inside the vans 270 00:11:47,833 --> 00:11:50,627 so that you couldn't see out or anything. 271 00:11:56,633 --> 00:12:01,138 And then they backed the second van up to the bus. 272 00:12:01,221 --> 00:12:04,307 (Jennifer) The other kids, we got in that van. 273 00:12:04,391 --> 00:12:05,851 I was scared. 274 00:12:05,934 --> 00:12:08,395 Because there was absolutely no communication 275 00:12:08,478 --> 00:12:10,355 from them on where we're going 276 00:12:10,439 --> 00:12:11,773 or what they were gonna do with us. 277 00:12:12,983 --> 00:12:14,776 And then they shut the doors. 278 00:12:14,860 --> 00:12:16,153 [door slams] 279 00:12:19,906 --> 00:12:23,535 I had fixed Michael, bacon and tomato sandwiches for dinner. 280 00:12:24,953 --> 00:12:27,539 At about 4:30... 281 00:12:27,622 --> 00:12:29,291 ...I started looking for the bus. 282 00:12:29,374 --> 00:12:32,210 [birds chirping] 283 00:12:32,294 --> 00:12:33,336 (Carol) It didn't come. 284 00:12:33,420 --> 00:12:35,338 [instrumental music] 285 00:12:35,422 --> 00:12:36,923 [indistinct chattering] 286 00:12:37,007 --> 00:12:38,675 (Patricia) About 4:30, I got a phone call 287 00:12:38,758 --> 00:12:40,635 from a parent that the children 288 00:12:40,719 --> 00:12:43,054 hadn't arrived home after school. 289 00:12:43,138 --> 00:12:44,973 I thought they've had a flat tire 290 00:12:45,056 --> 00:12:47,684 or the bus has broken down or something like that. 291 00:12:47,767 --> 00:12:49,853 Then we received several more calls. 292 00:12:49,936 --> 00:12:51,855 [phone ringing] 293 00:12:51,938 --> 00:12:54,149 (Ed Bates) In 1976, the sheriff's office 294 00:12:54,232 --> 00:12:56,651 had one patrol officer in Chowchilla. 295 00:12:56,735 --> 00:12:59,029 There was only one little bitty office. 296 00:12:59,112 --> 00:13:00,697 And one phone. 297 00:13:00,780 --> 00:13:03,033 When the call came in that the bus was missing 298 00:13:03,116 --> 00:13:05,327 I said "what do you mean missing?" 299 00:13:05,410 --> 00:13:08,371 How does a school bus all painted yellow 300 00:13:08,455 --> 00:13:11,041 in a small county, show up missing? 301 00:13:11,124 --> 00:13:12,584 I put out all points full. 302 00:13:12,667 --> 00:13:14,085 [phones ringing] 303 00:13:15,921 --> 00:13:17,756 It was a summer session. 304 00:13:17,839 --> 00:13:20,717 So the bus driver didn't take the normal route 305 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,303 that he would take to drop children off. 306 00:13:23,386 --> 00:13:25,764 So, we had to check everywhere. 307 00:13:25,847 --> 00:13:27,724 (Carol) I went all the way to the school 308 00:13:27,807 --> 00:13:30,810 backtracked, looked down every street... 309 00:13:30,894 --> 00:13:33,021 ...every which way... 310 00:13:33,104 --> 00:13:34,689 ...didn't see anything. 311 00:13:34,773 --> 00:13:38,193 I knew something was wrong. 312 00:13:38,276 --> 00:13:41,488 The parents were congregating at the police station. 313 00:13:41,571 --> 00:13:43,907 'Cause, it-we were getting really anxious. 314 00:13:45,659 --> 00:13:48,995 We're trying to locate 26 lost children 315 00:13:49,079 --> 00:13:50,372 along with their driver. 316 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,210 Never, in my wildest dreams... 317 00:13:55,293 --> 00:13:56,795 ...did I think something 318 00:13:56,878 --> 00:13:59,714 major like this could happen in Chowchilla. 319 00:13:59,798 --> 00:14:01,800 [sirens blaring] 320 00:14:07,973 --> 00:14:10,517 [engine rustling] 321 00:14:14,854 --> 00:14:17,274 (Jennifer) It seemed like we were driven around 322 00:14:17,357 --> 00:14:20,694 for like hours upon hours. 323 00:14:20,777 --> 00:14:23,363 It was hot in that van. 324 00:14:23,446 --> 00:14:25,240 (Larry) It was just stifling. 325 00:14:27,117 --> 00:14:30,495 Kids got sick from the motion of the vehicle 326 00:14:30,579 --> 00:14:33,456 and no food, no water. 327 00:14:33,540 --> 00:14:36,918 (Jennifer) I just felt like an animal being taken to slaughter. 328 00:14:38,420 --> 00:14:39,963 If you as a child 329 00:14:40,046 --> 00:14:42,507 can be thrown into the back of a van 330 00:14:42,591 --> 00:14:46,428 without any comforts, they didn't care about us. 331 00:14:46,511 --> 00:14:49,222 (Young Jennifer on tape) I told a few of my, um, little friends. 332 00:14:49,306 --> 00:14:51,433 And I told them, be brave 'cause everything's 333 00:14:51,516 --> 00:14:52,851 gonna be alright. 334 00:14:52,934 --> 00:14:55,228 [soft music] 335 00:14:57,105 --> 00:14:58,648 (Young Mike on tape) We thought that they might 336 00:14:58,732 --> 00:15:00,525 be back there killing the guys on the bus 337 00:15:00,609 --> 00:15:03,737 'cause we didn't know what they were doing to 'em. 338 00:15:03,820 --> 00:15:06,364 (Lynda) I was separated from my three sisters. 339 00:15:06,448 --> 00:15:08,617 Were they alive? 340 00:15:08,700 --> 00:15:11,119 Did they get left behind? 341 00:15:11,202 --> 00:15:12,829 (Larry) Andrea and I were together. 342 00:15:14,205 --> 00:15:16,458 I took her hand. 343 00:15:16,541 --> 00:15:18,627 There was some security there. 344 00:15:18,710 --> 00:15:21,296 [soft music] 345 00:15:21,379 --> 00:15:23,673 (Lynda) We prayed. 346 00:15:23,757 --> 00:15:27,510 We sang "If you're happy and you know it, clap your hands." 347 00:15:27,594 --> 00:15:29,220 Nobody clapped their hands. 348 00:15:33,058 --> 00:15:35,101 (Lenore) All of us have a wall 349 00:15:35,185 --> 00:15:38,480 against getting totally overwhelmed. 350 00:15:38,563 --> 00:15:40,649 And that wall is our defenses 351 00:15:40,732 --> 00:15:43,652 our coping mechanisms, humor. 352 00:15:43,735 --> 00:15:45,528 And when the wall 353 00:15:45,612 --> 00:15:48,031 gets broken, that's trauma. 354 00:15:48,114 --> 00:15:50,325 [engine rustling] 355 00:15:50,408 --> 00:15:52,243 (Lynda) They wouldn't let us use the restroom. 356 00:15:52,327 --> 00:15:54,621 I held myself all day. 357 00:15:54,704 --> 00:15:56,122 I was in tears. 358 00:15:56,206 --> 00:15:57,791 Because I was in physical pain. 359 00:15:57,874 --> 00:15:59,584 Jeff didn't want me to be embarrassed 360 00:15:59,668 --> 00:16:00,877 'cause he knew I was embarrassed. 361 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,629 And so Jeff wet his own pants 362 00:16:02,712 --> 00:16:06,716 and took my hand and placed my hand on his lap. 363 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,927 He said, "Look, I went, you can go ahead and go." 364 00:16:09,010 --> 00:16:10,887 [music continues] 365 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:12,514 Edward was very quiet. 366 00:16:12,597 --> 00:16:15,308 I think he comprehended 367 00:16:15,392 --> 00:16:17,143 that this was serious situation. 368 00:16:18,561 --> 00:16:21,147 The kids were... 369 00:16:21,231 --> 00:16:24,275 ...asking me, you know questions about when they were 370 00:16:24,359 --> 00:16:25,652 gonna see their mommies and daddies 371 00:16:25,735 --> 00:16:28,947 and...I think that they 372 00:16:29,030 --> 00:16:32,200 believed that I would tell them the truth. 373 00:16:32,283 --> 00:16:36,079 I told them, "Yes, you will." 374 00:16:36,162 --> 00:16:37,747 And I didn't lie. 375 00:16:37,831 --> 00:16:41,084 I didn't tell them what... 376 00:16:41,167 --> 00:16:43,044 ...lifetime it might be. 377 00:16:44,754 --> 00:16:45,964 [siren blaring] 378 00:16:46,047 --> 00:16:47,465 [indistinct radio chatter] 379 00:16:49,551 --> 00:16:52,011 (Ed Bates) We were looking for them everywhere. 380 00:16:52,095 --> 00:16:54,264 Then I recalled one of my sergeants 381 00:16:54,347 --> 00:16:57,475 he didn't have an airplane, but he had another buddy that did. 382 00:16:57,559 --> 00:16:59,227 So I asked him to get up in a plane. 383 00:17:01,229 --> 00:17:03,940 [airplane droning] 384 00:17:06,234 --> 00:17:08,737 (Dan) My dad, Robert Gudgel, was well known 385 00:17:08,820 --> 00:17:10,321 as a local aviator. 386 00:17:10,405 --> 00:17:11,990 And he approached dad right here 387 00:17:12,073 --> 00:17:13,700 to augment the search. 388 00:17:13,783 --> 00:17:16,286 I remember going out 389 00:17:16,369 --> 00:17:19,038 flying the airplane out over the ash slew 390 00:17:19,122 --> 00:17:20,290 looking for the bus. 391 00:17:20,373 --> 00:17:22,125 [suspenseful music] 392 00:17:22,208 --> 00:17:25,003 (Dan) Dad took Brenda, slough down here to the south 393 00:17:25,086 --> 00:17:26,713 and dad is the one that spotted it. 394 00:17:28,590 --> 00:17:30,633 (Dan) It was difficult to see from the ground 395 00:17:30,717 --> 00:17:33,052 because the sloughs had quite a bit of trees. 396 00:17:33,136 --> 00:17:34,554 [plane whirring] 397 00:17:34,637 --> 00:17:35,805 (Patricia) They knew something 398 00:17:35,889 --> 00:17:37,348 was terribly wrong at that point 399 00:17:37,432 --> 00:17:39,851 when they found the empty bus. 400 00:17:39,934 --> 00:17:41,269 (Carol) I couldn't understand it. 401 00:17:41,352 --> 00:17:44,230 I actually looked up in the sky. 402 00:17:44,314 --> 00:17:46,065 "UFO's. What?" 403 00:17:46,149 --> 00:17:48,985 "Where are the kids? Where's Michael?" 404 00:17:49,068 --> 00:17:50,945 (Ed Bates) This was a major case. 405 00:17:51,029 --> 00:17:53,072 I called governor Jerry Brown's office. 406 00:17:53,156 --> 00:17:55,700 I said I want every state agency 407 00:17:55,784 --> 00:17:58,328 that has cars and radios in my office. 408 00:17:58,411 --> 00:18:00,580 They said, "You got it." 409 00:18:00,663 --> 00:18:02,665 In the meantime, nearby county's said 410 00:18:02,749 --> 00:18:05,293 "What do you need? We'll help you any way we can." 411 00:18:05,376 --> 00:18:06,711 We set up roadblocks. 412 00:18:06,795 --> 00:18:09,380 [people chattering] 413 00:18:11,674 --> 00:18:12,759 [music crescendos] 414 00:18:18,097 --> 00:18:20,809 (Mike) We were driving around for 415 00:18:20,892 --> 00:18:22,852 seemed like hours and hours and hours. 416 00:18:25,814 --> 00:18:28,399 Until they finally stopped. 417 00:18:30,068 --> 00:18:31,361 [brakes creak] 418 00:18:31,444 --> 00:18:33,029 And started hearing 419 00:18:33,112 --> 00:18:34,614 sawing and hammering. 420 00:18:34,697 --> 00:18:36,407 [distant sawing] 421 00:18:36,491 --> 00:18:39,160 [distant hammering] 422 00:18:39,244 --> 00:18:41,704 [ominous music] 423 00:18:48,503 --> 00:18:51,506 And now all of a sudden the...door flies open. 424 00:18:51,589 --> 00:18:54,509 [door opens] [dramatic music] 425 00:18:56,261 --> 00:18:57,804 (Larry) They took Ed Ray out first. 426 00:19:01,182 --> 00:19:02,725 (Mike) And then they grabbed one of the kids. 427 00:19:04,811 --> 00:19:06,187 Door flies shut again. 428 00:19:07,730 --> 00:19:09,607 Few minutes would go by 429 00:19:09,691 --> 00:19:11,234 they'd reach in, grab another kid. 430 00:19:13,069 --> 00:19:14,445 (Jennifer) And I scooted myself 431 00:19:14,529 --> 00:19:17,448 way to the front of the van again. 432 00:19:17,532 --> 00:19:20,201 I was trying to survive at that point. 433 00:19:21,870 --> 00:19:23,329 (Mike) I felt helpless. 434 00:19:25,498 --> 00:19:28,126 That to me was-was scariest 435 00:19:28,209 --> 00:19:32,922 because now we were gonna find out what's going on. 436 00:19:33,006 --> 00:19:34,757 (interviewer #1) When they opened the doors, what did you see? 437 00:19:34,841 --> 00:19:36,467 (Young Jennifer on tape) I saw... 438 00:19:36,551 --> 00:19:37,969 ...it was kind of like a tent 439 00:19:38,052 --> 00:19:39,888 but it had three sides 440 00:19:39,971 --> 00:19:41,014 and it had a roof on. 441 00:19:43,224 --> 00:19:46,060 (Larry) They had built this... 442 00:19:46,144 --> 00:19:49,188 ...stretcher and covered it 443 00:19:49,272 --> 00:19:52,275 with some kind of a tarp. 444 00:19:52,358 --> 00:19:54,819 And they had backed the van 445 00:19:54,903 --> 00:19:56,738 underneath the stretcher. 446 00:19:56,821 --> 00:19:58,531 And so it was enclosed. 447 00:19:58,615 --> 00:20:01,451 [indistinct whirring] 448 00:20:01,534 --> 00:20:04,704 I remember that my knees gave a little bit just from 449 00:20:04,787 --> 00:20:06,748 not having stood up 450 00:20:06,831 --> 00:20:08,374 in for so long. 451 00:20:08,458 --> 00:20:11,002 [ominous music] 452 00:20:11,085 --> 00:20:12,462 They asked me my name. 453 00:20:12,545 --> 00:20:14,839 I couldn't pronounce my 'Rs. 454 00:20:14,923 --> 00:20:17,383 So I was "Lawwy Pot." 455 00:20:17,467 --> 00:20:19,177 And that's how they 456 00:20:19,260 --> 00:20:20,303 wrote it down. 457 00:20:20,386 --> 00:20:23,097 [suspenseful music] 458 00:20:23,181 --> 00:20:24,390 (Jennifer) They asked me my name 459 00:20:24,474 --> 00:20:27,226 and my age and they took my shirt. 460 00:20:27,310 --> 00:20:31,522 So at that point it was just me and my pink fuzzy swimsuit. 461 00:20:31,606 --> 00:20:33,733 (Lynda) They took my purse, white leather purse 462 00:20:33,816 --> 00:20:34,984 which had a little address book. 463 00:20:35,068 --> 00:20:37,028 And I thought are you giving these guys 464 00:20:37,111 --> 00:20:39,822 who are pointing guns at you... 465 00:20:39,906 --> 00:20:41,282 ...your address and phone number 466 00:20:41,366 --> 00:20:43,076 where they can get the rest of your family? 467 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:49,415 Finally it came down to me and this little Monica 468 00:20:49,499 --> 00:20:52,752 and...she was four years old. 469 00:20:52,835 --> 00:20:55,421 Hardest parts that sticks out of my head was 470 00:20:55,505 --> 00:20:58,841 I had to either hand her over to them 471 00:20:58,925 --> 00:21:01,094 or leave her there. 472 00:21:02,762 --> 00:21:05,390 And I couldn't hand her over. 473 00:21:08,309 --> 00:21:09,852 They escorted me... 474 00:21:12,897 --> 00:21:15,942 (Larry) ...to a-there was a hole in the ground 475 00:21:16,025 --> 00:21:17,151 with a ladder coming out. 476 00:21:17,235 --> 00:21:19,362 [ominous music] 477 00:21:19,445 --> 00:21:20,697 I looked down the ladder 478 00:21:22,365 --> 00:21:24,784 and I could see Ed Ray. 479 00:21:24,867 --> 00:21:27,870 The kidnappers gave him one flashlight. 480 00:21:29,247 --> 00:21:31,833 I did not want to go down there. 481 00:21:31,916 --> 00:21:34,043 I knew if I went down that hole 482 00:21:34,127 --> 00:21:35,795 I was never coming back out. 483 00:21:37,171 --> 00:21:38,381 Time froze. 484 00:21:41,259 --> 00:21:42,260 And then Ed Ray... 485 00:21:43,886 --> 00:21:45,430 ...grabs my ankle 486 00:21:45,513 --> 00:21:47,640 he says "Come on son, it'll be okay." 487 00:21:47,724 --> 00:21:48,725 [sniffles] 488 00:21:50,977 --> 00:21:53,146 Then I climbed down into there. 489 00:21:53,229 --> 00:21:55,106 [ominous music] 490 00:21:57,984 --> 00:22:00,570 (Jennifer) Inside this hole that we were in 491 00:22:00,653 --> 00:22:02,947 we were in the dark again. 492 00:22:03,031 --> 00:22:04,866 You couldn't really comprehend 493 00:22:04,949 --> 00:22:06,576 at that point where you were. 494 00:22:10,163 --> 00:22:11,622 I found my brother. 495 00:22:11,706 --> 00:22:13,291 So I knew that he was alive. 496 00:22:13,374 --> 00:22:14,792 My sisters were there. 497 00:22:16,294 --> 00:22:18,629 When they let Monica come down 498 00:22:18,713 --> 00:22:21,424 I was relieved. 499 00:22:21,507 --> 00:22:22,842 (Jennifer) Some of the younger children 500 00:22:22,925 --> 00:22:24,343 were whimpering and crying. 501 00:22:24,427 --> 00:22:25,970 I remember Jodi Heffington 502 00:22:26,054 --> 00:22:27,805 was one of the older girls 503 00:22:27,889 --> 00:22:29,932 who tried to keep the younger kids 504 00:22:30,016 --> 00:22:32,060 calm, somewhat... 505 00:22:32,143 --> 00:22:33,352 ...and composed. 506 00:22:35,855 --> 00:22:38,608 Some people just had that personality 507 00:22:38,691 --> 00:22:40,818 of an older sister figure 508 00:22:40,902 --> 00:22:42,612 that was there to help. 509 00:22:42,695 --> 00:22:44,864 [ominous music] 510 00:22:44,947 --> 00:22:45,990 (Larry) I looked around. 511 00:22:49,035 --> 00:22:51,329 There were some mattresses and some blankets. 512 00:22:53,164 --> 00:22:55,249 There was a table in the back 513 00:22:55,333 --> 00:22:57,835 and it has water around it. 514 00:22:57,919 --> 00:23:02,632 I remember thinking I wanted that water so bad. 515 00:23:02,715 --> 00:23:04,509 (Lynda) And there was some food. 516 00:23:04,592 --> 00:23:08,387 They had cereal, peanut butter, bread. 517 00:23:08,471 --> 00:23:10,139 (Larry) For us to use the restroom 518 00:23:10,223 --> 00:23:12,016 they had cut out holes. 519 00:23:14,227 --> 00:23:16,646 Like, we're okay, at least for now. 520 00:23:16,729 --> 00:23:19,190 We're okay. We're all alive. 521 00:23:19,273 --> 00:23:21,567 (Mike) We're all back together. 522 00:23:21,651 --> 00:23:23,903 Suddenly they drop 523 00:23:23,986 --> 00:23:25,696 like a manhole cover 524 00:23:25,780 --> 00:23:29,075 over...the hole. 525 00:23:29,158 --> 00:23:31,702 (Mike) That's when we started 526 00:23:31,786 --> 00:23:33,079 hearing that dirt. 527 00:23:34,205 --> 00:23:36,415 [rumbling] 528 00:23:36,499 --> 00:23:38,042 You know, phhshhh! 529 00:23:38,126 --> 00:23:40,044 We were being... 530 00:23:40,128 --> 00:23:42,171 ...covered up, buried alive, you know. 531 00:23:42,255 --> 00:23:45,174 [loud rumbling] 532 00:23:49,470 --> 00:23:52,348 [ominous music] 533 00:23:53,766 --> 00:23:56,477 [distant chattering] 534 00:23:56,561 --> 00:23:58,980 (George Osterkamp) I was a young news director at KQD 535 00:23:59,063 --> 00:24:00,815 the public television station. 536 00:24:00,898 --> 00:24:03,317 So, the news of the kidnapping came to me 537 00:24:03,401 --> 00:24:04,694 on a wire machine. 538 00:24:04,777 --> 00:24:06,821 [dramatic music] 539 00:24:06,904 --> 00:24:09,282 I realized that this was a big story. 540 00:24:09,365 --> 00:24:11,409 It was probably the story of the decade. 541 00:24:11,492 --> 00:24:13,828 Possibly the story of the century. 542 00:24:13,911 --> 00:24:16,706 [indistinct chattering] 543 00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:19,333 News media just flooded the place. 544 00:24:19,417 --> 00:24:21,169 [indistinct chatter] 545 00:24:21,252 --> 00:24:23,171 (George) The phone lines were jammed. 546 00:24:23,254 --> 00:24:26,924 Both with reporters and anxious parents. 547 00:24:27,008 --> 00:24:29,677 It was a great story for reporters. 548 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,846 A terrible event for parents. 549 00:24:31,929 --> 00:24:34,265 Good evening. There may never have been 550 00:24:34,348 --> 00:24:36,058 as anguishing a mystery. 551 00:24:36,142 --> 00:24:37,518 (George) It was covered everywhere. 552 00:24:37,602 --> 00:24:38,853 The bus has been found. 553 00:24:38,936 --> 00:24:40,188 There are no signs of violence. 554 00:24:40,271 --> 00:24:41,564 And there are only horrified 555 00:24:41,647 --> 00:24:43,065 guesses as to what may have happened. 556 00:24:43,149 --> 00:24:44,609 (George) It led the newscasts. 557 00:24:44,692 --> 00:24:46,694 Still no break in that Chowchilla, California 558 00:24:46,777 --> 00:24:47,904 school bus kidnapping. 559 00:24:47,987 --> 00:24:49,614 It was internationally covered. 560 00:24:49,697 --> 00:24:52,158 [dramatic music] 561 00:24:52,241 --> 00:24:55,036 But in those early hours, of course, nobody knew anything. 562 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,246 There are a lot of theories as to why. 563 00:24:57,330 --> 00:24:59,415 You tell me what the theories are, I will select one. 564 00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:00,917 We have no theories at all. 565 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,627 What would you say about the possible motive, then? 566 00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:05,504 -Do you have a theory as to-- -No, I really don't. I don't really have one. 567 00:25:05,588 --> 00:25:07,798 (Ed Bates) Every half hour, ABC, CBS, NBC 568 00:25:07,882 --> 00:25:10,259 all of 'em come in. "Okay, what you can tell us?" 569 00:25:10,343 --> 00:25:12,178 Given all that we've got, frankly it's a very 570 00:25:12,261 --> 00:25:15,223 baffling case because we don't know any motive. 571 00:25:15,306 --> 00:25:17,725 (male #4) This morning authorities organized more search parties 572 00:25:17,808 --> 00:25:20,686 but we're still at a loss without explanation. 573 00:25:20,770 --> 00:25:23,147 It was a crime beyond imagination. 574 00:25:23,231 --> 00:25:25,399 (George) With reporters trying to get information 575 00:25:25,483 --> 00:25:27,318 in any way possible. 576 00:25:27,401 --> 00:25:29,070 (male #5) Debbie Zilstra was the last child 577 00:25:29,153 --> 00:25:31,239 to be let off the bus before it disappeared. 578 00:25:31,322 --> 00:25:34,116 (reporter #1) 'Had you ever seen any cars following the bus before?' 579 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,993 No. 580 00:25:36,077 --> 00:25:38,037 (reporter #1) 'You have any idea who might've done it?' 581 00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:39,497 No. 582 00:25:39,580 --> 00:25:41,791 (reporter #1) 'Did you see anything after the bus let you off?' 583 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,460 Nope. 584 00:25:44,543 --> 00:25:46,379 The sheriff says the only thing he's ruled out 585 00:25:46,462 --> 00:25:48,965 at this point is the possibility of a flying saucer. 586 00:25:49,048 --> 00:25:50,549 And there are those in this area 587 00:25:50,633 --> 00:25:54,178 who don't rule out that possibility either. 588 00:25:54,262 --> 00:25:58,099 (Patricia) There were people calling in with conspiracy theories. 589 00:25:58,182 --> 00:26:00,810 I remember talking to one person 590 00:26:00,893 --> 00:26:03,437 going on and on about the son of Sam. 591 00:26:06,107 --> 00:26:08,567 Must've received at least a 1000 calls 592 00:26:08,651 --> 00:26:10,903 thinking it was the "Zodiac Killer." 593 00:26:10,987 --> 00:26:12,989 Or Moon, up in Oregon. 594 00:26:13,072 --> 00:26:15,324 (Patricia) I mean, in the last few years we've become used to 595 00:26:15,408 --> 00:26:18,119 terrorist activity in this country, unfortunately so. 596 00:26:20,121 --> 00:26:22,039 (reporter #2) 'Is it a political act?' 597 00:26:22,123 --> 00:26:24,083 That's speculation, sir. 598 00:26:24,166 --> 00:26:26,377 Your guess is as good as mine at this point. 599 00:26:26,460 --> 00:26:29,380 [dramatic music] 600 00:26:39,974 --> 00:26:43,144 (Jennifer) You could hear these, like, exhaust fans 601 00:26:43,227 --> 00:26:45,229 and if you went to the sides 602 00:26:45,313 --> 00:26:47,732 you could feel air coming in. 603 00:26:47,815 --> 00:26:48,941 Not air-conditioned air 604 00:26:49,025 --> 00:26:52,069 but warm air circulating. 605 00:26:52,153 --> 00:26:55,156 To me there was just very little air. 606 00:26:55,239 --> 00:26:56,532 (Mike) Very hard to breath. 607 00:26:58,367 --> 00:27:00,703 (Jennifer) After so many hours 608 00:27:00,786 --> 00:27:03,122 it just becomes desperate. 609 00:27:03,205 --> 00:27:04,498 (Young Mike on tape) Edward yells that 610 00:27:04,582 --> 00:27:06,542 "Would you please 611 00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:08,252 "open the door, I beg of you? 612 00:27:08,336 --> 00:27:11,589 "Pretty please, pretty please let us out. 613 00:27:11,672 --> 00:27:14,842 "I've got blank checks if that'll help any. 614 00:27:14,925 --> 00:27:18,012 Then he says "Everybody here say, pretty please." 615 00:27:18,095 --> 00:27:19,513 So we all start saying it. 616 00:27:21,515 --> 00:27:22,933 And the guy wouldn't answer us. 617 00:27:25,936 --> 00:27:28,314 Ed Ray and Mike Marshall... 618 00:27:28,397 --> 00:27:31,567 ...took the flashlight and really started looking around. 619 00:27:31,650 --> 00:27:34,862 Every crack and every crevice, looking at the walls 620 00:27:34,945 --> 00:27:36,906 they're looking at the cracks on the ceiling. 621 00:27:36,989 --> 00:27:38,574 [suspenseful music] 622 00:27:40,409 --> 00:27:41,952 (Young Mike on tape) We knew if we could get out 623 00:27:42,036 --> 00:27:43,204 was to go through the top. 624 00:27:45,498 --> 00:27:47,166 All the little kids, they started saying 625 00:27:47,249 --> 00:27:48,459 "Try and move it." 626 00:27:51,420 --> 00:27:55,758 Edward didn't want because he thought we'd get hurt 627 00:27:55,841 --> 00:27:58,177 if they caught us trying to get out. 628 00:27:58,260 --> 00:27:59,970 We begged Edward "Please, try." 629 00:28:00,054 --> 00:28:01,680 "You've gotta try, we're gonna die in here." 630 00:28:01,764 --> 00:28:03,724 "You've gotta get us out." 631 00:28:03,808 --> 00:28:06,018 (Larry) Ed Ray put his hands up and he 632 00:28:06,102 --> 00:28:07,395 pushed on it a little bit. 633 00:28:09,063 --> 00:28:12,691 Ed Ray is a stout man but man! 634 00:28:12,775 --> 00:28:14,026 It was not moving. 635 00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:18,322 (Jennifer) The water was running out. 636 00:28:18,406 --> 00:28:20,116 Nobody's come to find us. 637 00:28:20,199 --> 00:28:22,952 And then the batteries on whatever fans 638 00:28:23,035 --> 00:28:25,413 they had going, they just stopped. 639 00:28:25,496 --> 00:28:27,123 [fan blades whirring to a stop] 640 00:28:28,374 --> 00:28:29,500 [music continues] 641 00:28:32,420 --> 00:28:35,131 (Mike) I remember Andrea was sitting by herself, praying. 642 00:28:42,847 --> 00:28:45,474 (Larry) Ed Ray got us all to calm down. 643 00:28:48,894 --> 00:28:51,897 He had all 26 of us take a nap. 644 00:28:55,568 --> 00:28:57,319 I don't know if it was the heat... 645 00:28:59,321 --> 00:29:02,992 ...but I kept going back to camping trips... 646 00:29:03,075 --> 00:29:04,660 ...that I had had with my family. 647 00:29:04,743 --> 00:29:06,454 [soft music] 648 00:29:07,997 --> 00:29:09,290 I could see the water. 649 00:29:14,628 --> 00:29:16,839 Waiting for that monster fish. 650 00:29:18,591 --> 00:29:19,592 I could... 651 00:29:21,218 --> 00:29:24,388 ...see us gathering around 652 00:29:24,472 --> 00:29:26,891 the campfire, I could smell the smoke. 653 00:29:30,019 --> 00:29:32,938 [music continues] 654 00:29:37,193 --> 00:29:38,986 (Lenore) In the past hallucinations 655 00:29:39,069 --> 00:29:41,113 were attributed to viruses 656 00:29:41,197 --> 00:29:42,615 head injuries. 657 00:29:42,698 --> 00:29:45,326 But what hadn't been known before Chowchilla 658 00:29:45,409 --> 00:29:47,203 is that pure fright 659 00:29:47,286 --> 00:29:49,079 getting scared to death 660 00:29:49,163 --> 00:29:51,165 could make you hallucinate. 661 00:29:51,248 --> 00:29:53,959 [music continues] 662 00:29:54,043 --> 00:29:55,544 One little child 663 00:29:55,628 --> 00:29:57,713 saw right through the ceiling of the hall. 664 00:29:59,757 --> 00:30:01,550 Right through all the rocks and the dirt 665 00:30:01,634 --> 00:30:02,718 that had been piled on. 666 00:30:04,887 --> 00:30:07,431 And saw the scene of kidnappers 667 00:30:07,515 --> 00:30:09,016 sleeping above them. 668 00:30:13,145 --> 00:30:16,190 That was a complete mirage... 669 00:30:16,273 --> 00:30:18,484 ...and that came from being traumatized. 670 00:30:18,567 --> 00:30:20,778 [unnerving music] 671 00:30:22,613 --> 00:30:24,490 (Larry) When I woke up 672 00:30:24,573 --> 00:30:25,658 something was wrong. 673 00:30:27,284 --> 00:30:30,204 [ceiling creaking] 674 00:30:30,287 --> 00:30:32,957 Dirt was coming in. 675 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,667 And dust. 676 00:30:34,750 --> 00:30:36,585 (Mike) It made like a plough... 677 00:30:36,669 --> 00:30:39,380 [imitates creaking] Like that. 678 00:30:39,463 --> 00:30:41,340 [Mike imitates creaking] 679 00:30:41,423 --> 00:30:43,509 What's going on? 680 00:30:43,592 --> 00:30:46,428 (Larry) The only thing holding the roof in place 681 00:30:46,512 --> 00:30:48,430 were four by fours 682 00:30:48,514 --> 00:30:49,932 one on the ceiling 683 00:30:50,015 --> 00:30:51,267 and then a post 684 00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:54,144 holding it up. 685 00:30:54,228 --> 00:30:56,355 You could hear the screeching of the metal... 686 00:30:56,438 --> 00:30:58,899 [metal screeching] 687 00:30:58,983 --> 00:31:00,025 ...and the roof... 688 00:31:01,986 --> 00:31:05,406 ...just gave. [roof rumbling] 689 00:31:05,489 --> 00:31:06,782 [children screaming] 690 00:31:06,865 --> 00:31:08,617 (Jennifer) It was terrifying. 691 00:31:08,701 --> 00:31:10,327 There was dust and dirt 692 00:31:10,411 --> 00:31:13,163 that was flying everywhere. 693 00:31:13,247 --> 00:31:14,915 (Lynda) Thought we were gonna die right there. 694 00:31:14,999 --> 00:31:16,875 That's when we thought we would smother to death. 695 00:31:16,959 --> 00:31:19,628 [screaming frantically] 696 00:31:22,715 --> 00:31:24,925 And then it finally stopped. 697 00:31:25,009 --> 00:31:27,386 But, anyone that touched that beam 698 00:31:27,469 --> 00:31:28,470 [sand trickling] 699 00:31:28,554 --> 00:31:30,180 ...the sand would trickle in. 700 00:31:30,264 --> 00:31:31,473 So we couldn't move. 701 00:31:31,557 --> 00:31:33,017 We-we had to stay put 702 00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:35,728 wherever we were at. 703 00:31:35,811 --> 00:31:37,521 We knew we wouldn't last much longer in there. 704 00:31:40,482 --> 00:31:42,735 (newscaster #2) Good evening. The California National Guard today 705 00:31:42,818 --> 00:31:44,862 joined state and local police 706 00:31:44,945 --> 00:31:46,905 and the FBI in a giant search 707 00:31:46,989 --> 00:31:49,658 for 26 Californian children. 708 00:31:49,742 --> 00:31:51,201 There are no real clues 709 00:31:51,285 --> 00:31:52,786 only an eerie silence 710 00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:56,081 in a frightening and bizarre case. 711 00:31:56,165 --> 00:31:57,666 (reporter #3) Throughout much of this day 712 00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:59,752 parents and other family of the missing children 713 00:31:59,835 --> 00:32:03,922 came to the command post set up in Downtown, Chowchilla. 714 00:32:04,006 --> 00:32:06,050 (Glen) At that time, there was a 100 people 715 00:32:06,133 --> 00:32:08,886 waiting for word and it was scary. 716 00:32:08,969 --> 00:32:10,596 I want to express to you 717 00:32:10,679 --> 00:32:13,057 the governor's concern, and my concern. 718 00:32:13,140 --> 00:32:15,893 The California Highway Patrol Police 719 00:32:15,976 --> 00:32:18,854 and if necessary, the National Guard 720 00:32:18,937 --> 00:32:22,608 are available to assist in the search. 721 00:32:22,691 --> 00:32:25,194 When somebody disappears for that long 722 00:32:25,277 --> 00:32:27,696 and you have no word whatsoever 723 00:32:27,780 --> 00:32:30,741 on where they might be, you're scared to death. 724 00:32:30,824 --> 00:32:32,159 (reporter #4) 'Do you have any children?' 725 00:32:32,242 --> 00:32:34,036 I do and I would have had two children 726 00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:36,747 on that bus but she woke up sick yesterday morning 727 00:32:36,830 --> 00:32:38,415 [voice breaking] and I didn't send her. 728 00:32:38,499 --> 00:32:40,459 [sobbing] And she was so... 729 00:32:40,542 --> 00:32:42,419 [sobbing] 730 00:32:46,131 --> 00:32:48,759 My husband, Bob, he was in Canada 731 00:32:48,842 --> 00:32:50,886 at the Calgary Stampede. 732 00:32:50,969 --> 00:32:54,056 He was practically in tears trying to get home. 733 00:32:55,641 --> 00:32:58,394 I was able to sleep for a while 734 00:32:58,477 --> 00:33:00,020 but as soon as I opened my eyes 735 00:33:00,104 --> 00:33:02,731 it was like a ton of bricks hit me. 736 00:33:02,815 --> 00:33:05,275 (reporter #5) Guess now all that we can do is to join with the families 737 00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:07,945 and loved ones of those involved 738 00:33:08,028 --> 00:33:11,198 and pray, pray hard for their safe recovery. 739 00:33:12,616 --> 00:33:14,493 [eerie music] 740 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,038 (Lynda) We begged Edward, "Please try. 741 00:33:18,122 --> 00:33:19,456 "You've got to try. We're gonna die in here. 742 00:33:19,540 --> 00:33:21,417 You've got to get us out." 743 00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:23,293 I remember Edward 744 00:33:23,377 --> 00:33:25,087 saying that 745 00:33:25,170 --> 00:33:27,005 it looked like we were gonna have to 746 00:33:27,089 --> 00:33:29,675 stay down there and kick the bucket. 747 00:33:29,758 --> 00:33:30,968 Edward was fearful 748 00:33:31,051 --> 00:33:33,053 that his actions... 749 00:33:33,137 --> 00:33:34,763 ...could cause harm 750 00:33:34,847 --> 00:33:37,891 not only to him but to us. 751 00:33:37,975 --> 00:33:40,602 (Jennifer) But Mike didn't have that sense of hopelessness. 752 00:33:42,688 --> 00:33:44,565 (Mike) You know, a little fear kind of hits you 753 00:33:44,648 --> 00:33:45,983 but at the same time 754 00:33:46,066 --> 00:33:47,443 it generates more... 755 00:33:48,986 --> 00:33:50,863 ...power. 756 00:33:50,946 --> 00:33:52,865 I was trying to process it all 757 00:33:52,948 --> 00:33:54,324 and I thought to myself 758 00:33:54,408 --> 00:33:55,701 "If we're gonna die, we're gonna die 759 00:33:55,784 --> 00:33:56,952 "getting the hell out of here, you know 760 00:33:57,035 --> 00:33:58,495 we're gonna die trying." 761 00:33:58,579 --> 00:34:01,248 [tense music] 762 00:34:01,331 --> 00:34:03,083 (Jennifer) They started stacking up mattresses 763 00:34:03,167 --> 00:34:04,877 to get to the top. 764 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,962 Even a lot of the younger kids 765 00:34:07,045 --> 00:34:10,382 took turns doing whatever it is 766 00:34:10,466 --> 00:34:12,134 that their young little bodies can do. 767 00:34:12,217 --> 00:34:16,346 We're not gonna die. This is not how we're gonna end. 768 00:34:16,430 --> 00:34:18,474 Jodie's job was to shine the flashlight 769 00:34:18,557 --> 00:34:20,309 while Michael went up 770 00:34:20,392 --> 00:34:21,852 and with all his might 771 00:34:21,935 --> 00:34:23,937 gave his cowboy push. 772 00:34:24,021 --> 00:34:26,023 [ceiling creaking] 773 00:34:27,858 --> 00:34:29,193 (Mike) All the kids are calling 774 00:34:29,276 --> 00:34:32,821 "Mike, you can do it, Mike." 775 00:34:32,905 --> 00:34:35,491 And I don't feel it move 776 00:34:35,574 --> 00:34:37,618 or see it move 777 00:34:37,701 --> 00:34:39,745 but all the kids 778 00:34:39,828 --> 00:34:40,954 I just heard them say, 779 00:34:41,038 --> 00:34:44,208 "it moved, it moved." 780 00:34:44,291 --> 00:34:47,085 (Larry) For the first time, I felt hope. 781 00:34:47,169 --> 00:34:50,756 Kinda wondered if he was my angel. 782 00:34:50,839 --> 00:34:54,343 My guardian angel that dad talked about. 783 00:34:54,426 --> 00:34:56,929 At that point, we said, "Edward you have to help him. 784 00:34:57,012 --> 00:34:58,639 "You, we-we've got to get out of here. 785 00:34:58,722 --> 00:35:01,391 We're going to die. We're gonna suffocate in here." 786 00:35:01,475 --> 00:35:03,227 (Jennifer) Edward was fearful that 787 00:35:03,310 --> 00:35:05,103 somebody was up there, just waiting. 788 00:35:05,187 --> 00:35:07,356 [suspenseful music] 789 00:35:07,439 --> 00:35:09,942 But he finally went over and helped. 790 00:35:10,025 --> 00:35:11,902 (Larry) Ed Ray started pushing 791 00:35:11,985 --> 00:35:14,112 with everything he had. 792 00:35:14,196 --> 00:35:16,156 They knew something was on it 793 00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:19,034 but we didn't know what it was. 794 00:35:19,117 --> 00:35:21,745 And so he pushed up... 795 00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:24,414 ...and he got that man-hole cover up 796 00:35:24,498 --> 00:35:26,959 maybe about yay high. 797 00:35:27,042 --> 00:35:30,796 And Mike Marshall stuck his arm through there... 798 00:35:30,879 --> 00:35:33,674 and started feeling around to see what was 799 00:35:33,757 --> 00:35:35,509 on top of the man-hole cover. 800 00:35:35,592 --> 00:35:36,885 [tense music] 801 00:35:36,969 --> 00:35:39,638 Mike got his hand in there 802 00:35:39,721 --> 00:35:42,307 and just started doing this. 803 00:35:42,391 --> 00:35:45,644 And together, they move that man-hole cover back 804 00:35:45,727 --> 00:35:48,647 just far enough that a corner of a battery... 805 00:35:49,898 --> 00:35:51,066 ...could be seen. 806 00:35:53,110 --> 00:35:54,987 That's not the battery in your car. 807 00:35:55,070 --> 00:35:56,738 These bus batteries 808 00:35:56,822 --> 00:36:00,784 weigh about 125, 150 pounds. 809 00:36:00,868 --> 00:36:02,202 Had Ed Ray... 810 00:36:02,995 --> 00:36:04,288 ...slipped... 811 00:36:04,371 --> 00:36:06,874 ...had Ed Ray lost his grip... 812 00:36:08,375 --> 00:36:12,004 ...Mike Marshall would have lost his arm. 813 00:36:12,087 --> 00:36:14,798 (Jennifer) I remember them saying "watch out" and two 814 00:36:14,882 --> 00:36:16,967 these two huge batteries 815 00:36:17,050 --> 00:36:19,595 were dropped down on the stack of mattresses. 816 00:36:19,678 --> 00:36:21,430 [music continues] 817 00:36:21,513 --> 00:36:23,891 And then Ed Ray had a good look. 818 00:36:28,186 --> 00:36:31,690 (Larry) Around this hole they made a square box. 819 00:36:31,773 --> 00:36:34,651 Three feet high, something like that. 820 00:36:34,735 --> 00:36:39,281 And that was so they-as they were covering the van with dirt 821 00:36:39,364 --> 00:36:42,242 that they wouldn't cover up the hole. 822 00:36:42,326 --> 00:36:44,119 [cassette static] 823 00:36:44,202 --> 00:36:46,830 (Young Mike on tape) Edward squeezes me through this 824 00:36:46,914 --> 00:36:49,082 half foot hole. 825 00:36:49,166 --> 00:36:51,293 I get on top of it. 826 00:36:51,376 --> 00:36:54,129 I start pounding on this box. 827 00:36:54,212 --> 00:36:55,881 (Young Jeff on tape) There was a box up there. 828 00:36:55,964 --> 00:36:57,883 And he tried to bang his way out... 829 00:36:57,966 --> 00:36:59,801 ...but he couldn't do it. 830 00:36:59,885 --> 00:37:01,428 And then they got me up there with them. 831 00:37:04,389 --> 00:37:09,019 We both tried with our backs to push up, push up. 832 00:37:09,102 --> 00:37:10,979 We couldn't do it so Mike tried with his feet 833 00:37:11,063 --> 00:37:13,398 and I tried with my back... 834 00:37:13,482 --> 00:37:15,025 ...and still we couldn't do it. 835 00:37:15,108 --> 00:37:17,319 (Larry) All the seams were pretty well connected. 836 00:37:17,402 --> 00:37:19,988 Mike said we need something to pry it with... 837 00:37:20,072 --> 00:37:22,407 And keep the part of box spring mattress 838 00:37:22,491 --> 00:37:23,742 and was using the wood. 839 00:37:25,243 --> 00:37:26,745 [thudding] 840 00:37:26,828 --> 00:37:29,414 (Young Mike on tape) So, Robert got up there with me for a while 841 00:37:29,498 --> 00:37:31,208 and we started hitting and pounding 842 00:37:31,291 --> 00:37:32,668 hitting and pounding. 843 00:37:32,751 --> 00:37:34,086 (Larry) Mike would slam 844 00:37:34,169 --> 00:37:35,712 that corner 845 00:37:35,796 --> 00:37:39,174 over and over and over. 846 00:37:40,801 --> 00:37:42,177 It just seemed impossible. 847 00:37:42,260 --> 00:37:45,180 [tense music] 848 00:37:45,263 --> 00:37:47,808 (Mike) I start digging underneath the plywood... 849 00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:53,063 ...and I realized after I do that for a while 850 00:37:53,146 --> 00:37:57,275 the material, rock and stuff 851 00:37:57,359 --> 00:37:59,194 is f-falling down 852 00:37:59,277 --> 00:38:02,280 outside of the plywood 853 00:38:02,364 --> 00:38:03,448 into the hole I'm digging. 854 00:38:03,532 --> 00:38:05,158 [rocks rumbling] 855 00:38:05,242 --> 00:38:07,661 I thought maybe I could get weight... 856 00:38:07,744 --> 00:38:08,829 ...off the top. 857 00:38:10,956 --> 00:38:13,333 And then I can pull it out and I can scoop it 858 00:38:13,417 --> 00:38:15,961 down inside the hole. 859 00:38:16,044 --> 00:38:18,463 [sand and rock rustling] 860 00:38:18,547 --> 00:38:20,549 He was kicking dirt, throwing dirt. 861 00:38:20,632 --> 00:38:22,884 [thudding] 862 00:38:25,595 --> 00:38:31,309 -(Larry) He kept digging. -(Jennifer) I don't know how Mike maneuvered 863 00:38:31,393 --> 00:38:33,228 up in that wooden box. 864 00:38:33,311 --> 00:38:34,980 I don't know how long he was up there. 865 00:38:36,773 --> 00:38:39,109 It was hours. 866 00:38:39,192 --> 00:38:41,987 (Lenore) Our sense of time under scary conditions 867 00:38:42,070 --> 00:38:44,489 is one of the most vulnerable senses 868 00:38:44,573 --> 00:38:46,867 that we have. 869 00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:48,410 The child who held the light 870 00:38:48,493 --> 00:38:51,163 knew it was a long, long time. 871 00:38:53,081 --> 00:38:55,584 I was, you know, drained, tired. 872 00:38:55,667 --> 00:38:57,085 (Mike) I had no energy. 873 00:38:57,169 --> 00:38:59,463 I was exhausted. 874 00:38:59,546 --> 00:39:02,007 My equilibrium was totally off 875 00:39:02,090 --> 00:39:03,425 and I didn't know 876 00:39:03,508 --> 00:39:05,427 what was up or down. 877 00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:07,846 That's when Edward started 878 00:39:07,929 --> 00:39:10,223 "Pretty please, don't hurt him." 879 00:39:10,307 --> 00:39:12,684 "Pretty please, don't hurt him." 880 00:39:12,768 --> 00:39:15,896 I could hear that in my ears, ringing over and over. 881 00:39:15,979 --> 00:39:17,564 "Pretty please don't hurt him. 882 00:39:17,647 --> 00:39:19,399 He doesn't know what he's doing." 883 00:39:19,483 --> 00:39:22,319 And I'm starting to believe that they are up there. 884 00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:26,573 That to me was scary. 885 00:39:29,284 --> 00:39:32,996 I tried to see if I could get any weight off the top. 886 00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:37,334 It moved like just a crack 887 00:39:37,417 --> 00:39:39,753 and I looked through it 888 00:39:39,836 --> 00:39:42,422 and plain as day... 889 00:39:42,506 --> 00:39:43,924 ...I was going up... 890 00:39:44,007 --> 00:39:45,717 [eerie music] 891 00:39:45,801 --> 00:39:47,344 ...in a door opening... 892 00:39:49,221 --> 00:39:52,224 ...and beyond that was just pure darkness. 893 00:39:53,975 --> 00:39:56,561 And you could tell there was somebody 894 00:39:56,645 --> 00:39:58,396 in that darkness. 895 00:40:01,316 --> 00:40:04,569 But I remember it vividly. 896 00:40:04,653 --> 00:40:06,571 (Lenore) This was a hallucination 897 00:40:06,655 --> 00:40:09,199 that he had dug into no place 898 00:40:09,282 --> 00:40:12,869 that they were still in horrible trouble... 899 00:40:12,953 --> 00:40:16,039 ...that they were going to die anyway. 900 00:40:16,123 --> 00:40:17,582 So he went back down 901 00:40:17,666 --> 00:40:19,084 and he sat down and he thought 902 00:40:19,167 --> 00:40:20,585 "But what am I digging for? 903 00:40:20,669 --> 00:40:22,087 This is terrible, I can't do this." 904 00:40:25,090 --> 00:40:28,260 And then he decided "I'm gonna go up there anyway." 905 00:40:28,343 --> 00:40:30,345 I took a, you know, a little break 906 00:40:30,428 --> 00:40:31,638 there, but, then I... 907 00:40:33,223 --> 00:40:35,851 (Mike) ...something clicked in me. 908 00:40:35,934 --> 00:40:38,270 I said to myself, "You're a cowboy. 909 00:40:38,353 --> 00:40:40,564 "You're gonna get on that crazy ass horse 910 00:40:40,647 --> 00:40:42,941 you're gonna do whatever it is you gotta do." 911 00:40:45,318 --> 00:40:46,987 I didn't care if they were up there. 912 00:40:47,070 --> 00:40:48,363 I wasn't gonna give up. 913 00:40:48,446 --> 00:40:50,949 From that point on, it didn't matter. 914 00:40:51,032 --> 00:40:52,325 [tape recorder static] 915 00:40:52,409 --> 00:40:54,578 (Young Mike on tape) I started hitting stuff. 916 00:40:54,661 --> 00:40:57,914 Hitting and pounding and hitting and pounding. 917 00:40:57,998 --> 00:41:00,292 And I pulled the chip out. 918 00:41:00,375 --> 00:41:03,336 [crackling] 919 00:41:03,420 --> 00:41:06,298 And then there was big crack. 920 00:41:06,381 --> 00:41:07,340 [creaks] 921 00:41:07,424 --> 00:41:10,302 [sand crumbling] 922 00:41:12,512 --> 00:41:13,722 I cracked the ceiling. 923 00:41:13,805 --> 00:41:16,099 [soft dramatic music] 924 00:41:17,934 --> 00:41:20,353 And then I almost got it open. 925 00:41:21,688 --> 00:41:23,023 Stole some more and... 926 00:41:23,106 --> 00:41:24,691 [sand whooshing] 927 00:41:24,774 --> 00:41:26,693 ...and cracked it again. 928 00:41:26,776 --> 00:41:29,696 [sand whooshing] 929 00:41:29,779 --> 00:41:32,157 [music continues] 930 00:41:33,783 --> 00:41:36,620 (Larry) It was...the most beautiful 931 00:41:36,703 --> 00:41:38,788 ray of sunlight... 932 00:41:38,872 --> 00:41:40,415 ...that I had ever seen. 933 00:41:42,959 --> 00:41:45,253 (Mike) I just remember the light 934 00:41:45,337 --> 00:41:46,755 and the air. 935 00:41:46,838 --> 00:41:49,674 So much air, cool air. 936 00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:53,845 Not knowing if they're up there 937 00:41:53,929 --> 00:41:55,513 I kept thinking 938 00:41:55,597 --> 00:41:57,641 we're getting creamed or we're getting out. 939 00:41:57,724 --> 00:41:58,975 And I think that's why 940 00:41:59,059 --> 00:42:00,602 I didn't hesitate 941 00:42:00,685 --> 00:42:02,020 to stick my head out. 942 00:42:02,103 --> 00:42:03,730 As soon as I had it broke off. 943 00:42:03,813 --> 00:42:06,691 [tense music] 944 00:42:14,449 --> 00:42:16,409 Going up above the hole 945 00:42:16,493 --> 00:42:18,119 I had no real chance 946 00:42:18,203 --> 00:42:19,621 where it was. 947 00:42:21,331 --> 00:42:23,500 It's these trees. 948 00:42:23,583 --> 00:42:26,086 And it felt like we were in the mountains. 949 00:42:26,169 --> 00:42:27,379 There was nobody there. 950 00:42:30,298 --> 00:42:32,509 (Larry) I remember getting up 951 00:42:32,592 --> 00:42:33,760 and looking around... 952 00:42:35,262 --> 00:42:37,973 ...off in the distance was a big... 953 00:42:38,056 --> 00:42:39,057 ...big building. 954 00:42:40,934 --> 00:42:43,311 And I was worried about that building 955 00:42:43,395 --> 00:42:45,522 'cause maybe the kidnappers 956 00:42:45,605 --> 00:42:47,232 were over there. 957 00:42:47,315 --> 00:42:50,193 Edward got all the kids together 958 00:42:50,277 --> 00:42:52,570 said we need to be quiet. 959 00:42:52,654 --> 00:42:54,906 (Jennifer) And, so, like a bunch of little ducks 960 00:42:54,990 --> 00:42:57,158 we're just walking through the sand. 961 00:42:59,035 --> 00:43:01,329 (Mike) There were 27 of us. 962 00:43:01,413 --> 00:43:03,873 And if they are around here, we're pretty easy 963 00:43:03,957 --> 00:43:06,543 target to see. 964 00:43:06,626 --> 00:43:08,336 (Larry) But then we saw someone coming... 965 00:43:08,420 --> 00:43:09,963 [tense music] 966 00:43:10,046 --> 00:43:12,340 ...toward us, and I did not know 967 00:43:12,424 --> 00:43:14,968 who it was or what they wanted. 968 00:43:15,051 --> 00:43:17,971 And the guy's face was just like 969 00:43:18,054 --> 00:43:20,223 "Oh my God! 970 00:43:20,307 --> 00:43:21,850 "I saw you on the news. 971 00:43:21,933 --> 00:43:24,060 Where in the hell did you come from?" 972 00:43:24,144 --> 00:43:26,479 [tense music] 973 00:43:26,563 --> 00:43:29,149 (Mike) We turned out to be in a rock quarry. 974 00:43:32,027 --> 00:43:36,698 And in no time the klaxon started sounding. 975 00:43:36,781 --> 00:43:38,575 [klaxon blaring] 976 00:43:38,658 --> 00:43:41,661 (Larry) They had set off their-their alarm. 977 00:43:41,745 --> 00:43:43,997 The children have been found. 978 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,457 They are in good shape. 979 00:43:45,540 --> 00:43:47,125 The bus driver has been found. 980 00:43:47,208 --> 00:43:48,543 He is in good shape. 981 00:43:48,626 --> 00:43:50,295 There's no indication of any harm. 982 00:43:52,797 --> 00:43:54,215 [van engine whirring] 983 00:43:56,468 --> 00:43:58,803 (Bruce) Detective Bernie Serving and I were the first 984 00:43:58,887 --> 00:44:01,639 to as I recall, to arrive and make contact 985 00:44:01,723 --> 00:44:03,224 with the bus driver and the kids. 986 00:44:05,518 --> 00:44:06,853 Kids were actually 987 00:44:06,936 --> 00:44:08,646 for the most part, calm. 988 00:44:08,730 --> 00:44:10,315 [camera shutter flashing] 989 00:44:10,398 --> 00:44:12,025 They were a little bit dirty looking, obviously 990 00:44:12,108 --> 00:44:14,694 because they were buried in the ground. [camera shutter flashing] 991 00:44:23,411 --> 00:44:26,706 (Larry) We were in this big warehouse. 992 00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:30,043 I remember they had a water cooler. 993 00:44:30,126 --> 00:44:32,629 I would take my little cup and I would pour it on my head. 994 00:44:32,712 --> 00:44:34,714 And then I'd fill it up and I'd pour it on my head 995 00:44:34,798 --> 00:44:36,174 trying to get the dirt off me. 996 00:44:36,257 --> 00:44:37,467 [water sloshing] 997 00:44:39,594 --> 00:44:41,971 That evening we had the television on 998 00:44:42,055 --> 00:44:43,973 and I thought, I heard him say 999 00:44:44,057 --> 00:44:46,434 kids from Chowchilla, had been found. 1000 00:44:46,518 --> 00:44:48,728 I ran in there... 1001 00:44:48,812 --> 00:44:50,105 ...jumped over the coffee table 1002 00:44:50,188 --> 00:44:52,023 [chuckles] turned the TV up 1003 00:44:52,107 --> 00:44:53,900 and sure enough... 1004 00:44:53,983 --> 00:44:55,568 ...and I was so thankful. 1005 00:44:55,652 --> 00:44:57,779 My son Michael is fourteen 1006 00:44:57,862 --> 00:44:59,364 and he's alive and well 1007 00:44:59,447 --> 00:45:01,908 and he's coming home and I can't wait to see him. 1008 00:45:01,991 --> 00:45:03,618 (reporter #6) 'What's the last 24 hours been like?' 1009 00:45:03,701 --> 00:45:05,245 Not very nice. 1010 00:45:05,328 --> 00:45:07,872 I wouldn't want to have to go through it again. 1011 00:45:07,956 --> 00:45:09,541 Ever. 1012 00:45:09,624 --> 00:45:11,960 [indistinct chatter] 1013 00:45:14,337 --> 00:45:15,922 (Bruce) We had to decide how we're gonna 1014 00:45:16,005 --> 00:45:17,549 proceed with the interviews and things 1015 00:45:17,632 --> 00:45:18,758 and we decided it was best 1016 00:45:18,842 --> 00:45:20,885 to get them to a secure location. 1017 00:45:20,969 --> 00:45:24,055 (Jennifer) So, we rode just a very short distance 1018 00:45:24,139 --> 00:45:25,932 to...the prison. 1019 00:45:29,144 --> 00:45:31,521 They sat us down at all these little desks 1020 00:45:31,604 --> 00:45:33,773 and they had apples 1021 00:45:33,857 --> 00:45:35,108 and cartons of milk. 1022 00:45:35,191 --> 00:45:36,943 [tense music] 1023 00:45:37,026 --> 00:45:39,571 (Larry) We were given inmate jumpsuits. 1024 00:45:39,654 --> 00:45:41,698 Their white jumpsuits to wear. 1025 00:45:41,781 --> 00:45:43,867 (Yong Jennifer on tape) All those little kids got into 'em 1026 00:45:43,950 --> 00:45:46,244 and we had to roll the pants about 1027 00:45:46,327 --> 00:45:47,704 ten feet. 1028 00:45:47,787 --> 00:45:49,122 We sitting there flapping our arms. 1029 00:45:49,205 --> 00:45:50,874 We said, "Hey, we can fly" 1030 00:45:50,957 --> 00:45:55,211 and we pretend like we were gonna fly. 1031 00:45:55,295 --> 00:45:57,422 (Jennifer) And then the police came in 1032 00:45:57,505 --> 00:45:58,506 and talked to us. 1033 00:46:00,049 --> 00:46:02,343 -'What is the situation?' -'Go ahead.' 1034 00:46:02,427 --> 00:46:04,721 (male #6) 'I would generally describe them in very high spirits.' 1035 00:46:04,804 --> 00:46:06,389 -Yeah. Has-- -They talk-- 1036 00:46:06,473 --> 00:46:08,141 We asked who wants to be talked to next and they all 1037 00:46:08,224 --> 00:46:10,560 put up their hand and they're very jovial. 1038 00:46:10,643 --> 00:46:12,645 After that, they got us loaded up 1039 00:46:12,729 --> 00:46:15,648 in a Greyhound bus to go home to Chowchilla. 1040 00:46:16,691 --> 00:46:19,360 [cheering and whistling] 1041 00:46:22,447 --> 00:46:24,324 (Lynda) When we got through Chowchilla 1042 00:46:24,407 --> 00:46:26,868 there were lights everywhere, people everywhere. 1043 00:46:26,951 --> 00:46:28,453 Just a sea of people. 1044 00:46:28,536 --> 00:46:30,955 (Larry) It was just a mob. 1045 00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:32,040 [applauding] 1046 00:46:36,211 --> 00:46:39,130 [indistinct chattering] 1047 00:46:39,214 --> 00:46:40,798 (Larry) A very nice gentleman 1048 00:46:40,882 --> 00:46:42,467 carried me off the bus... 1049 00:46:45,094 --> 00:46:47,555 ...and put me in my mom's arms. 1050 00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:49,224 [sniffling] 1051 00:46:49,307 --> 00:46:51,017 [sobbing] And I put my head on her shoulder. 1052 00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:54,020 [emotional music] 1053 00:46:54,103 --> 00:46:56,731 (Bob) It's wonderful. You can't say there's enough words to-to 1054 00:46:56,814 --> 00:46:59,192 you know, describe how it feels, you know, I'm... 1055 00:46:59,275 --> 00:47:01,194 Uh, I'm just so happy, I could cry. 1056 00:47:01,277 --> 00:47:04,155 [cheering and whistling] 1057 00:47:07,367 --> 00:47:08,451 (reporter #7) 'Come here, Mike.' 1058 00:47:08,535 --> 00:47:10,078 (Mike) Reporters are all over 1059 00:47:10,161 --> 00:47:11,746 asking me what happened. 1060 00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:13,540 And I started 1061 00:47:13,623 --> 00:47:16,251 to talk to him and then just out of nowhere 1062 00:47:16,334 --> 00:47:18,878 Principal Tatum stepped in 1063 00:47:18,962 --> 00:47:21,881 and said, "Why don't we just give him a break, boys? 1064 00:47:21,965 --> 00:47:24,259 You know, let him go home and get some sleep." 1065 00:47:24,342 --> 00:47:26,427 And so we got in the car and left. 1066 00:47:28,054 --> 00:47:30,723 There was my chance to tell the world 1067 00:47:30,807 --> 00:47:33,226 what happened to getting out and everything. 1068 00:47:33,309 --> 00:47:36,104 I didn't do it. I let the grown-ups do it. 1069 00:47:36,187 --> 00:47:39,107 7 o'clock, we got dug out. I handed the kids up 1070 00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:40,942 to the other boys and we got out. 1071 00:47:41,025 --> 00:47:42,402 We all got home safe. 1072 00:47:42,485 --> 00:47:44,571 [crowd applauding] 1073 00:47:44,654 --> 00:47:46,864 (reporter #8) As miraculously as they had disappeared 1074 00:47:46,948 --> 00:47:49,826 the children of Chowchilla returned to their parents 1075 00:47:49,909 --> 00:47:51,536 due to the heroic efforts 1076 00:47:51,619 --> 00:47:53,371 of their bus driver, Ed Ray. 1077 00:47:53,454 --> 00:47:56,332 [mellow music] 1078 00:47:59,961 --> 00:48:02,130 (Larry) We were calm, but the kidnappers 1079 00:48:02,213 --> 00:48:03,590 were still out there. 1080 00:48:03,673 --> 00:48:06,384 [propeller plane whirring] 1081 00:48:06,467 --> 00:48:09,304 (Glen) You knew they were someplace, but you didn't know where. 1082 00:48:09,387 --> 00:48:10,888 You know, it was still a mystery. 1083 00:48:10,972 --> 00:48:12,974 You had no answers to this mystery. 1084 00:48:13,057 --> 00:48:14,017 [helicopter whirring] 1085 00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:16,227 [police siren wailing] 1086 00:48:16,311 --> 00:48:18,271 (Ed Bates) I had a lot of agents out there 1087 00:48:18,354 --> 00:48:21,065 following leads on who might have done this. 1088 00:48:21,149 --> 00:48:24,485 I had all the state. I had all the FBI. 1089 00:48:24,569 --> 00:48:27,363 And my own people, of course, too. 1090 00:48:27,447 --> 00:48:30,450 The following morning I was directed to go out 1091 00:48:30,533 --> 00:48:32,410 to the site where they were buried. 1092 00:48:35,288 --> 00:48:37,123 I had a whole crew of people 1093 00:48:37,206 --> 00:48:39,917 looking for any evidence we could get. 1094 00:48:40,001 --> 00:48:42,170 (reporter #9) 'This is a place where they've cut a hole in the roof' 1095 00:48:42,253 --> 00:48:46,466 and made an exit and, uh, ingress and egress. 1096 00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:48,134 (reporter #10) The only people into the hole 1097 00:48:48,217 --> 00:48:50,094 have been a couple of sheriff's criminalists. 1098 00:48:50,178 --> 00:48:52,096 The sheriff's office is working very carefully 1099 00:48:52,180 --> 00:48:53,640 'cause they hope to find clues 1100 00:48:53,723 --> 00:48:55,433 which will lead them to the kidnappers. 1101 00:48:57,018 --> 00:48:58,728 The crime scene 1102 00:48:58,811 --> 00:49:01,564 was a mysterious hole in the ground. 1103 00:49:01,648 --> 00:49:05,234 (Tony) There was some notion that it might be a cave. 1104 00:49:05,318 --> 00:49:07,487 An underground room. 1105 00:49:07,570 --> 00:49:10,198 It took us a while to understand 1106 00:49:10,281 --> 00:49:13,618 that it was in fact a moving van. 1107 00:49:13,701 --> 00:49:16,245 [excavator whirring] 1108 00:49:18,164 --> 00:49:21,709 By today's standards uh, it wasn't a 40 foot van. 1109 00:49:21,793 --> 00:49:26,130 It was a fairly short 27 foot moving van. 1110 00:49:26,214 --> 00:49:28,466 [truck whirring] 1111 00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:31,844 When you think about it, to have 26 kids 1112 00:49:31,928 --> 00:49:34,430 confined in that kind of a chamber 1113 00:49:34,514 --> 00:49:35,973 I was flabbergasted. 1114 00:49:36,933 --> 00:49:39,227 [indistinct chatter] 1115 00:49:39,310 --> 00:49:40,937 (newscaster #3) The search for these suspects is now, of course 1116 00:49:41,020 --> 00:49:42,772 what is preoccupying authorities 1117 00:49:42,855 --> 00:49:45,692 being sought are three men and two vans. 1118 00:49:45,775 --> 00:49:47,026 We don't know what color they are now. 1119 00:49:47,110 --> 00:49:49,612 They were purchased in November in Alameda. 1120 00:49:49,696 --> 00:49:52,907 (male #7) 'Information on the registration is all phony.' 1121 00:49:52,990 --> 00:49:55,952 'So we don't know who we're looking for yet.' 1122 00:49:56,035 --> 00:49:57,954 (Duane) At that time, we were looking for 1123 00:49:58,037 --> 00:49:59,539 any information we could get. 1124 00:49:59,622 --> 00:50:01,290 (police on radio) 'We have no hard evidence.' 1125 00:50:01,374 --> 00:50:03,793 We had multiple conversations 1126 00:50:03,876 --> 00:50:05,128 with law enforcement. 1127 00:50:05,211 --> 00:50:06,212 [tape recorder clicks] 1128 00:50:10,133 --> 00:50:11,676 (Jennifer) My brother and I helped with 1129 00:50:11,759 --> 00:50:13,261 composite drawings 1130 00:50:13,344 --> 00:50:16,180 to help identify the kidnappers. 1131 00:50:16,264 --> 00:50:19,600 This is the latest composite. 1132 00:50:19,684 --> 00:50:22,353 We have no names whatsoever at this point. 1133 00:50:22,437 --> 00:50:24,480 (reporter #11) 'Is this from the memory of the children?' 1134 00:50:24,564 --> 00:50:26,023 (male #8) 'Uh, yes.' 1135 00:50:26,107 --> 00:50:28,526 And then information had been developed 1136 00:50:28,609 --> 00:50:31,070 on the investigative side about the vans. 1137 00:50:31,154 --> 00:50:32,780 [helicopter whirring] 1138 00:50:32,864 --> 00:50:34,240 (newscaster #4) The kidnap vans were found 1139 00:50:34,323 --> 00:50:35,783 in a one story commercial building 1140 00:50:35,867 --> 00:50:37,368 in southeast San Jose. 1141 00:50:37,452 --> 00:50:39,537 Reports say a rental agent told police 1142 00:50:39,620 --> 00:50:43,207 a young man rented the place about six months ago. 1143 00:50:43,291 --> 00:50:44,876 (male #9) The bus driver, Ed Ray 1144 00:50:44,959 --> 00:50:46,878 was brought to the warehouse by authorities. 1145 00:50:46,961 --> 00:50:48,838 It is assumed Mr. Ray will attempt 1146 00:50:48,921 --> 00:50:50,173 to identify those vans. 1147 00:50:50,256 --> 00:50:51,257 [camera shutter flashes] 1148 00:50:53,926 --> 00:50:55,636 (Duane) When they recovered the vehicles 1149 00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:58,598 they also recovered other key pieces of evidence. 1150 00:50:58,681 --> 00:51:01,058 They found a 12 gauge shotgun 1151 00:51:01,142 --> 00:51:02,769 which is probably the one that was used 1152 00:51:02,852 --> 00:51:06,189 when they made the stop of the, uh, school bus. 1153 00:51:06,272 --> 00:51:09,442 We found lumber material. 1154 00:51:09,525 --> 00:51:11,569 (Tony) The same lumber as 1155 00:51:11,652 --> 00:51:14,238 two by fours that were picked up at the quarry. 1156 00:51:14,322 --> 00:51:16,115 Number of mattresses 1157 00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:20,453 the same mattresses that had been put into the trailer. 1158 00:51:20,536 --> 00:51:23,372 (male #10) They also located a Cadillac... 1159 00:51:23,456 --> 00:51:25,875 ...that had been completely spray painted 1160 00:51:25,958 --> 00:51:27,418 flat, black. 1161 00:51:27,502 --> 00:51:30,129 Even the hubcaps. It was very strange. 1162 00:51:30,213 --> 00:51:31,881 (male #11) 'Did you see them working on these things?' 1163 00:51:31,964 --> 00:51:33,674 'Were they painting? What were they doing inside there?' 1164 00:51:33,758 --> 00:51:35,635 -I don't know. -'Did they talk?' 1165 00:51:35,718 --> 00:51:36,928 I can't see because of the wall. 1166 00:51:38,805 --> 00:51:39,806 (male #12) They've recovered what looked like 1167 00:51:39,889 --> 00:51:42,600 some kind of a journal, diary. 1168 00:51:42,683 --> 00:51:46,896 They had encrypted it into some kind of unusual writing. 1169 00:51:46,979 --> 00:51:49,440 (Duane) Never seen anything like that in my life. 1170 00:51:49,524 --> 00:51:50,817 [eerie music] 1171 00:51:53,402 --> 00:51:54,946 (Lynda) I was scared, I was actually 1172 00:51:55,029 --> 00:51:57,114 still scared of those kidnappers. 1173 00:51:57,198 --> 00:51:58,533 "Where they're at, what they're doing 1174 00:51:58,616 --> 00:51:59,700 are they following us?" 1175 00:51:59,784 --> 00:52:02,286 [tense music] 1176 00:52:02,370 --> 00:52:04,497 (Lynda) They know where we live, they know our addresses 1177 00:52:04,580 --> 00:52:05,998 they know our phone numbers. 1178 00:52:06,082 --> 00:52:08,334 It was really overwhelming for me. 1179 00:52:08,417 --> 00:52:10,336 A lot of them are scared to let their kids out of the house. 1180 00:52:10,419 --> 00:52:12,380 I know my wife's got a girlfriend across town 1181 00:52:12,463 --> 00:52:14,423 that says she won't let her kids out of the house. 1182 00:52:14,507 --> 00:52:15,758 We were in a panic. 1183 00:52:15,842 --> 00:52:17,260 We did not like 1184 00:52:17,343 --> 00:52:18,678 sleeping in the windows 1185 00:52:18,761 --> 00:52:21,639 and every sound... 1186 00:52:22,765 --> 00:52:24,141 ...sent us running. 1187 00:52:24,225 --> 00:52:26,602 [eerie music] 1188 00:52:29,021 --> 00:52:30,273 [video tape rolling] 1189 00:52:33,150 --> 00:52:34,986 (Bruce) The first real breaks in the case came 1190 00:52:35,069 --> 00:52:37,196 when the former employee from the quarry 1191 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,366 called up and said that he had made notes in a ledger 1192 00:52:40,449 --> 00:52:43,619 that they maintained during their patrols... 1193 00:52:43,703 --> 00:52:45,371 ...that he had seen men working 1194 00:52:45,454 --> 00:52:47,748 with a CAT bulldozer 1195 00:52:47,832 --> 00:52:50,501 and he also noted that there were two moving vans 1196 00:52:50,585 --> 00:52:52,503 parked on the site. 1197 00:52:52,587 --> 00:52:55,506 One time, he said he found a young man 1198 00:52:55,590 --> 00:52:58,676 working in one of the scrap yard areas 1199 00:52:58,759 --> 00:53:01,304 and when he confronted that individual 1200 00:53:01,387 --> 00:53:04,599 he found his identification said that he was Frederick Woods 1201 00:53:04,682 --> 00:53:06,183 and he was the son of the owner. 1202 00:53:06,267 --> 00:53:09,061 [tense music] 1203 00:53:09,145 --> 00:53:10,646 (George) One of the things we learned 1204 00:53:10,730 --> 00:53:12,565 was that the Woods family 1205 00:53:12,648 --> 00:53:14,609 they weren't from the Central Valley 1206 00:53:14,692 --> 00:53:16,736 they were from the Bay Area. 1207 00:53:16,819 --> 00:53:19,405 From the very nicest suburbs of the Bay Area. 1208 00:53:21,282 --> 00:53:24,035 In fact, Woods has an illustrious double name. 1209 00:53:24,118 --> 00:53:25,661 Frederick Newhall Woods. 1210 00:53:25,745 --> 00:53:27,622 [suspenseful music] 1211 00:53:27,705 --> 00:53:29,832 (Jill) When the Gold rush was happening in California 1212 00:53:29,916 --> 00:53:32,376 Henry Newhall ended up amassing 1213 00:53:32,460 --> 00:53:34,879 a great fortune. 148,000 acres 1214 00:53:34,962 --> 00:53:37,340 up and down the state of California. 1215 00:53:37,423 --> 00:53:40,259 Railroad towns were named after him. 1216 00:53:40,343 --> 00:53:41,677 They owned Magic Mountain. 1217 00:53:43,304 --> 00:53:45,139 [children screaming] 1218 00:53:45,222 --> 00:53:47,058 (George) Why would these people be involved? 1219 00:53:48,100 --> 00:53:50,144 Was it a thrill crime? 1220 00:53:50,227 --> 00:53:51,228 [car door opening] 1221 00:53:53,439 --> 00:53:55,900 (Duane) Next day and I was asked 1222 00:53:55,983 --> 00:53:59,362 to serve a search warrant on the Woods estate. 1223 00:53:59,445 --> 00:54:01,155 [music continues] 1224 00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:04,784 When we opened these doors up 1225 00:54:04,867 --> 00:54:07,078 and went in to the actual mansion 1226 00:54:07,161 --> 00:54:09,914 everything in there was expensive. 1227 00:54:09,997 --> 00:54:13,709 Very fancy cut crystal statues. 1228 00:54:13,793 --> 00:54:15,169 [helicopter whirring] 1229 00:54:16,754 --> 00:54:18,255 (Bruce) The place was littered 1230 00:54:18,339 --> 00:54:21,384 literally, with old vehicles. 1231 00:54:21,467 --> 00:54:24,011 It had antique Rolls Royces 1232 00:54:24,095 --> 00:54:25,513 and Bentleys. 1233 00:54:25,596 --> 00:54:27,765 All kinds of military 1234 00:54:27,848 --> 00:54:29,642 war surplus type jeeps. 1235 00:54:29,725 --> 00:54:31,352 It was really something to see. 1236 00:54:31,435 --> 00:54:33,479 [music continues] 1237 00:54:33,562 --> 00:54:35,356 (Duane) There is a-a separate building 1238 00:54:35,439 --> 00:54:36,983 opposite the mansion. 1239 00:54:37,066 --> 00:54:39,568 It was a series of garages. 1240 00:54:39,652 --> 00:54:41,529 We had been told that Fred 1241 00:54:41,612 --> 00:54:42,947 slept above the garages. 1242 00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:44,949 We went upstairs. 1243 00:54:45,032 --> 00:54:47,284 (Bruce) The place was full of junk. 1244 00:54:47,368 --> 00:54:49,578 You could barely walk across the room. 1245 00:54:49,662 --> 00:54:51,247 Old movie cameras. 1246 00:54:51,330 --> 00:54:53,374 There was a bunch of them all over the place. 1247 00:54:53,457 --> 00:54:55,292 (Duane) And there was a desk 1248 00:54:55,376 --> 00:54:57,628 and that's where he had a kind of an envelope 1249 00:54:57,712 --> 00:55:00,006 like a manila type envelope. 1250 00:55:01,590 --> 00:55:03,676 It had the plan. 1251 00:55:03,759 --> 00:55:05,219 The actual plan of how 1252 00:55:05,302 --> 00:55:07,596 the sequence of the kidnapping 1253 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:08,931 was supposed to go down. 1254 00:55:09,015 --> 00:55:11,559 [tense music] 1255 00:55:13,269 --> 00:55:15,980 And inside that, there was a jack-in-the-box bag 1256 00:55:16,063 --> 00:55:18,733 that on their backside of it had been written the names 1257 00:55:18,816 --> 00:55:21,444 and the ages of all of the children. 1258 00:55:24,196 --> 00:55:26,532 But probably the most telling 1259 00:55:26,615 --> 00:55:28,909 evidence was the ransom note that was found 1260 00:55:28,993 --> 00:55:30,119 in that envelope. 1261 00:55:30,202 --> 00:55:33,080 [eerie and chilling music] 1262 00:55:40,004 --> 00:55:42,214 And at that point, it started to gel 1263 00:55:42,298 --> 00:55:43,924 as to who was responsible for this. 1264 00:55:44,925 --> 00:55:46,594 [helicopter whirring] 1265 00:55:48,637 --> 00:55:50,765 (Ed Bates) Fred Woods, the suspect's father 1266 00:55:50,848 --> 00:55:52,433 was very cooperative. 1267 00:55:52,516 --> 00:55:54,643 Told me, he tried to get his son interested 1268 00:55:54,727 --> 00:55:56,020 in the family business. 1269 00:55:56,103 --> 00:55:57,271 His son got interested 1270 00:55:57,354 --> 00:55:59,148 in these old cars. 1271 00:55:59,231 --> 00:56:00,232 (Bruce) He developed a business 1272 00:56:00,316 --> 00:56:01,901 of refurbishing old cars 1273 00:56:01,984 --> 00:56:03,110 and selling them. 1274 00:56:03,194 --> 00:56:04,570 He had gone into partnership 1275 00:56:04,653 --> 00:56:06,739 with a friend from high school 1276 00:56:06,822 --> 00:56:08,783 named James Schoenfeld. 1277 00:56:08,866 --> 00:56:11,202 His brother, Rick Schoenfeld was involved 1278 00:56:11,285 --> 00:56:14,246 but he was more of a hanger-on to the other two. 1279 00:56:14,330 --> 00:56:17,374 The brothers, their father was a, uh 1280 00:56:17,458 --> 00:56:19,001 a foot specialist. 1281 00:56:19,085 --> 00:56:22,046 (Ed Bates) They were upper middle class. 1282 00:56:22,129 --> 00:56:24,757 They're always very polite and outgoing 1283 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,551 and if we saw them outside 1284 00:56:27,635 --> 00:56:29,095 they always chatted with us. 1285 00:56:29,178 --> 00:56:31,055 Very friendly boys. 1286 00:56:31,138 --> 00:56:32,431 (Jennifer) We were really shocked 1287 00:56:32,515 --> 00:56:34,433 that these were three young men 1288 00:56:34,517 --> 00:56:38,104 that came from very affluent families. 1289 00:56:38,187 --> 00:56:40,898 I was dumbstruck. 1290 00:56:40,981 --> 00:56:42,775 (reporter #12) 'Why do you suppose that they would do something like that?' 1291 00:56:42,858 --> 00:56:45,903 I don't know. They didn't have enough to live. 1292 00:56:45,986 --> 00:56:47,363 (Carol) Fred Woods is... 1293 00:56:47,446 --> 00:56:49,615 What was he after money for? 1294 00:56:49,698 --> 00:56:51,826 He had more money than the town had. 1295 00:56:51,909 --> 00:56:54,537 [tense music] 1296 00:56:54,620 --> 00:56:56,789 Now we know who these people are. 1297 00:56:56,872 --> 00:56:58,833 So we just followed our noses. 1298 00:56:58,916 --> 00:57:01,127 (reporter #13) Acting on evidence discovered at the house 1299 00:57:01,210 --> 00:57:02,670 law enforcement authorities 1300 00:57:02,753 --> 00:57:04,797 have just issued all points bulletins. 1301 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,048 (dispatcher) Suspects are considered 1302 00:57:06,132 --> 00:57:08,092 armed and dangerous 1303 00:57:08,175 --> 00:57:10,302 arrest on probable cause. 1304 00:57:10,386 --> 00:57:12,429 [police siren wailing] 1305 00:57:12,513 --> 00:57:14,765 (Bruce) The investigators worked 24 hours a day 1306 00:57:14,849 --> 00:57:16,433 and found out that 1307 00:57:16,517 --> 00:57:18,561 Fred and James Schoenfeld took off. 1308 00:57:18,644 --> 00:57:20,104 [propeller plane whirring] 1309 00:57:20,187 --> 00:57:22,022 Fred went to Vancouver. 1310 00:57:22,106 --> 00:57:23,649 He used a fake ID to get in 1311 00:57:23,732 --> 00:57:24,900 checked into a hotel. 1312 00:57:27,444 --> 00:57:30,531 While Woods is up in Canada, he's writing letters 1313 00:57:30,614 --> 00:57:33,909 from a post office asking friends for money. 1314 00:57:33,993 --> 00:57:37,663 Jim Schoenfeld drove his car up to the border... 1315 00:57:37,746 --> 00:57:40,207 ...and tried to enter the border. 1316 00:57:40,291 --> 00:57:43,002 He had weapons in the car but they didn't arrest him. 1317 00:57:43,085 --> 00:57:45,087 They bought him a soda. They were nice to him. 1318 00:57:45,171 --> 00:57:48,174 Gave him the guns back and turned him around. 1319 00:57:48,257 --> 00:57:50,843 Good evening, the FBI is looking all over the country 1320 00:57:50,926 --> 00:57:54,180 tonight for Frederick Woods and James Schoenfeld. 1321 00:57:54,263 --> 00:57:56,515 Two of the three men suspected of kidnapping 1322 00:57:56,599 --> 00:57:59,226 26 children in California last week. 1323 00:57:59,310 --> 00:58:01,770 The third man, Schoenfeld's younger brother 1324 00:58:01,854 --> 00:58:03,981 turned himself in. 1325 00:58:04,064 --> 00:58:05,858 (newscaster #5) In Oakland, California, last night 1326 00:58:05,941 --> 00:58:08,235 Richard Allen Schoenfeld surrendered. 1327 00:58:08,319 --> 00:58:10,279 He walked into the Alameda County 1328 00:58:10,362 --> 00:58:12,031 district attorney's office along with 1329 00:58:12,114 --> 00:58:13,741 his father and a lawyer. 1330 00:58:13,824 --> 00:58:15,659 The attorney said Richard surrendered 1331 00:58:15,743 --> 00:58:16,869 for his own protection. 1332 00:58:19,747 --> 00:58:22,833 (Bruce) James tried to get into Canada one more time. 1333 00:58:22,917 --> 00:58:25,169 He had gotten rid of most of the weapons 1334 00:58:25,252 --> 00:58:27,713 but he had one more weapon that he didn't know about 1335 00:58:27,796 --> 00:58:30,049 that Fred had hidden in the vehicle. 1336 00:58:30,132 --> 00:58:32,426 So they turned him around finally gave up on that 1337 00:58:32,509 --> 00:58:34,511 and started heading back home. 1338 00:58:34,595 --> 00:58:37,181 (newscaster #6) James Schoenfeld was captured at dawn today. 1339 00:58:37,264 --> 00:58:40,100 His lawyer said he'd gotten tired of running, had called 1340 00:58:40,184 --> 00:58:42,311 and said he'd turned himself in at 8: 00 this morning. 1341 00:58:42,394 --> 00:58:45,481 The police closed in an hour before that. 1342 00:58:45,564 --> 00:58:47,233 (newscaster #7) The third suspect, Fred Woods 1343 00:58:47,316 --> 00:58:49,026 was arrested at the main Vancouver 1344 00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:51,904 post office after Royal Canadian Mounted Police 1345 00:58:51,987 --> 00:58:53,906 had been tipped by the FBI. 1346 00:58:53,989 --> 00:58:55,658 They say the 24-year-old suspect 1347 00:58:55,741 --> 00:58:57,952 was unarmed and did not put up a fight. 1348 00:58:58,035 --> 00:59:00,496 He appeared nervous, a little cocky 1349 00:59:00,579 --> 00:59:02,331 but mostly disinterested 1350 00:59:02,414 --> 00:59:03,999 in talking to reporters. 1351 00:59:04,083 --> 00:59:05,668 No comment. 1352 00:59:05,751 --> 00:59:07,628 What do you think about the charges against you in court? 1353 00:59:07,711 --> 00:59:10,047 I'm telling you, no comment. 1354 00:59:10,130 --> 00:59:12,758 (reporter #14) 'Any concerns about going to California at all?' 1355 00:59:12,841 --> 00:59:14,385 [chuckles] With you? 1356 00:59:14,468 --> 00:59:17,346 [tense music] 1357 00:59:21,225 --> 00:59:24,019 (Patricia) The kidnappers had hit this town 1358 00:59:24,103 --> 00:59:25,354 right in its heart 1359 00:59:25,437 --> 00:59:26,730 by taking those children. 1360 00:59:26,814 --> 00:59:28,440 [police siren wailing] 1361 00:59:32,403 --> 00:59:34,530 (Dan) The community took it quite personal. 1362 00:59:34,613 --> 00:59:37,866 Saying we're upset is very, very mild. 1363 00:59:37,950 --> 00:59:41,412 It was voiced...around town that quote 1364 00:59:41,495 --> 00:59:43,580 "All we need is a good old fashioned street hanging." 1365 00:59:43,664 --> 00:59:45,749 End quote. Literally that was said. 1366 00:59:47,293 --> 00:59:48,836 (Larry) These were three men 1367 00:59:48,919 --> 00:59:51,088 who were so hated 1368 00:59:51,171 --> 00:59:54,508 stationed on top of the police station, a sniper. 1369 00:59:54,591 --> 00:59:57,052 On top of City Hall, a sniper. 1370 00:59:57,136 --> 01:00:00,347 All in the means of protecting them. 1371 01:00:00,431 --> 01:00:03,309 [crowd chattering indistinctly] 1372 01:00:06,312 --> 01:00:08,605 (newscaster #8) Inside, both woods and James Schoenfeld 1373 01:00:08,689 --> 01:00:11,150 spoke with a firm voice, showing no fear. 1374 01:00:11,233 --> 01:00:15,821 They were ordered held on one million dollars bond each. 1375 01:00:15,904 --> 01:00:17,573 (reporter #15) The biggest question in this bizarre case 1376 01:00:17,656 --> 01:00:18,949 is still unanswered. 1377 01:00:19,033 --> 01:00:20,242 Were there political motives 1378 01:00:20,326 --> 01:00:21,452 psychological motives 1379 01:00:21,535 --> 01:00:23,120 motives of revenge? 1380 01:00:23,203 --> 01:00:24,246 No one seems to know. 1381 01:00:27,082 --> 01:00:29,084 (Duane) When I interviewed Fred 1382 01:00:29,168 --> 01:00:32,129 he said that he and his dad weren't very close. 1383 01:00:32,212 --> 01:00:35,424 He wasn't doing what his dad expected him to do. 1384 01:00:35,507 --> 01:00:37,092 They were always bickering about 1385 01:00:37,176 --> 01:00:38,761 him dropping out of college 1386 01:00:38,844 --> 01:00:40,304 and he wanted his own money 1387 01:00:40,387 --> 01:00:42,556 so he didn't have to rely on his father. 1388 01:00:44,183 --> 01:00:46,435 [instrumental music] 1389 01:00:46,518 --> 01:00:47,519 (male #13) 'Turn to your left.' 1390 01:00:49,688 --> 01:00:51,315 (Duane) James told me that 1391 01:00:51,398 --> 01:00:54,276 they were gonna make a movie to make money. 1392 01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,987 And that's how the whole thing started. 1393 01:00:57,071 --> 01:00:59,656 They turned out a movie script called Chain Reaction 1394 01:00:59,740 --> 01:01:03,118 and it was an amalgam of the Patty Hearst kidnapping case. 1395 01:01:03,202 --> 01:01:06,538 "The French Connection" and "Dirty Harry." 1396 01:01:06,622 --> 01:01:08,457 (Harry) You've got to ask yourself one question. 1397 01:01:08,540 --> 01:01:09,833 '"Do I feel lucky?"' 1398 01:01:09,917 --> 01:01:11,627 Well, do you, punk? 1399 01:01:11,710 --> 01:01:13,670 And it didn't happen. 1400 01:01:13,754 --> 01:01:15,839 (Jill) During this time, they also learned 1401 01:01:15,923 --> 01:01:17,758 that the state had a surplus of funds. 1402 01:01:17,841 --> 01:01:19,301 So they were trying to think of 1403 01:01:19,385 --> 01:01:21,678 how can we get ransom from the state? 1404 01:01:21,762 --> 01:01:24,264 So then that led them to kidnapping a school bus 1405 01:01:24,348 --> 01:01:26,266 because the state runs the school system. 1406 01:01:28,602 --> 01:01:30,479 (Bruce) Again, they were obviously influenced 1407 01:01:30,562 --> 01:01:32,523 by the original, "Dirty Harry" movie. 1408 01:01:32,606 --> 01:01:34,316 ♪ Row row row your boat ♪♪ 1409 01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:35,692 What's the matter with you? Don't you sing? 1410 01:01:35,776 --> 01:01:36,819 (Bruce) In the final scenes 1411 01:01:36,902 --> 01:01:37,903 of the movie, you had 1412 01:01:37,986 --> 01:01:39,113 an individual who hijacks 1413 01:01:39,196 --> 01:01:40,823 a bus full of children 1414 01:01:40,906 --> 01:01:42,908 and they end up in a rock-quarry. 1415 01:01:44,910 --> 01:01:47,996 Fred was the leader who started it. 1416 01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:49,998 (Bruce) But Fred didn't have the ability 1417 01:01:50,082 --> 01:01:52,251 to plan something like this by himself. 1418 01:01:52,334 --> 01:01:54,545 And he thought that Jim Schoenfeld 1419 01:01:54,628 --> 01:01:56,422 probably was the more efficient planner 1420 01:01:56,505 --> 01:01:58,674 and had, in fact, he's the one who wrote the journal 1421 01:01:58,757 --> 01:02:01,260 that was found at the storage unit. 1422 01:02:01,343 --> 01:02:03,470 (Jill) When they decoded these writings 1423 01:02:03,554 --> 01:02:05,013 James Schoenfeld was asking himself 1424 01:02:05,097 --> 01:02:06,932 "What would happen as a result of this crime?" 1425 01:02:09,101 --> 01:02:10,686 James had to make a decision. 1426 01:02:14,273 --> 01:02:17,109 He decided to make money with Fred Woods. 1427 01:02:18,527 --> 01:02:19,862 For 18 months 1428 01:02:19,945 --> 01:02:21,905 they were researching 1429 01:02:21,989 --> 01:02:23,907 different targets. 1430 01:02:23,991 --> 01:02:26,201 They had maps 1431 01:02:26,285 --> 01:02:28,495 where they circled all the schools 1432 01:02:28,579 --> 01:02:31,039 they were considering. 1433 01:02:31,123 --> 01:02:32,541 They were able to get identification 1434 01:02:32,624 --> 01:02:33,959 in different names 1435 01:02:34,042 --> 01:02:35,919 to purchase the things they needed. 1436 01:02:36,003 --> 01:02:38,172 They went out to the quarry in the cover of darkness 1437 01:02:38,255 --> 01:02:40,924 to bury an entire transport van. 1438 01:02:41,008 --> 01:02:42,593 They obtained weapons. 1439 01:02:42,676 --> 01:02:44,887 Many, many weapons. 1440 01:02:44,970 --> 01:02:48,015 To collect the ransom money, they wanted the government 1441 01:02:48,098 --> 01:02:51,101 to fly the ransom money and drop it at a location. 1442 01:02:51,185 --> 01:02:53,270 (Bruce) They had intended to have an airdrop 1443 01:02:53,353 --> 01:02:56,064 over the Santa Cruz Mountains. 1444 01:02:56,148 --> 01:02:58,734 In fact, the Cadillac was intended to be used 1445 01:02:58,817 --> 01:03:00,194 to pick up the ransom money 1446 01:03:00,277 --> 01:03:02,070 and they wanted it not to be seen. 1447 01:03:02,154 --> 01:03:05,199 They wanted it to blend in for a night time operation. 1448 01:03:05,282 --> 01:03:06,867 All the way through, they thought that 1449 01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:08,243 they had thought of everything. 1450 01:03:08,327 --> 01:03:10,162 (Jill) But the night of the kidnapping 1451 01:03:10,245 --> 01:03:12,080 they weren't able to call in their ransom demand 1452 01:03:12,164 --> 01:03:13,665 because the phone lines were so jammed. 1453 01:03:13,749 --> 01:03:15,834 [indistinct chattering] 1454 01:03:15,918 --> 01:03:17,419 (Jill) They decided to go home. 1455 01:03:17,503 --> 01:03:19,213 Fred Woods had a late night dinner 1456 01:03:19,296 --> 01:03:21,507 with his parents like any other night. 1457 01:03:21,590 --> 01:03:23,258 Then the news came out 1458 01:03:23,342 --> 01:03:25,344 that the children had freed themselves. 1459 01:03:25,427 --> 01:03:27,638 The children are home. 1460 01:03:27,721 --> 01:03:29,139 (Jill) Rick and James Schoenfeld 1461 01:03:29,223 --> 01:03:30,474 came over to the property 1462 01:03:30,557 --> 01:03:32,184 and planned their escape from there. 1463 01:03:34,186 --> 01:03:36,480 (Bruce) When the children escaped 1464 01:03:36,563 --> 01:03:39,191 that kind of destroyed their whole plan right there. 1465 01:03:39,274 --> 01:03:40,359 [marching band music] 1466 01:03:42,569 --> 01:03:44,613 (newscaster #9) With all three suspects behind bars 1467 01:03:44,696 --> 01:03:46,156 the grateful towns people today 1468 01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,951 honored their hometown hero. 1469 01:03:49,034 --> 01:03:51,662 (Jennifer) The local politicians decided 1470 01:03:51,745 --> 01:03:54,706 that we needed to celebrate the heroes 1471 01:03:54,790 --> 01:03:58,168 that came from this horrendous event. 1472 01:03:58,252 --> 01:04:00,337 And so the town had 1473 01:04:00,420 --> 01:04:01,964 what they called, "Ed Ray Day." 1474 01:04:04,258 --> 01:04:07,678 Me and the 25 kids have something to give to Edward. 1475 01:04:10,055 --> 01:04:11,056 Thank you. 1476 01:04:13,016 --> 01:04:15,310 (Jennifer) Edward was a very humble man. 1477 01:04:15,394 --> 01:04:17,896 He didn't ask for the publicity 1478 01:04:17,980 --> 01:04:20,482 and he didn't ask for all the attention 1479 01:04:20,566 --> 01:04:22,192 that came his way. 1480 01:04:22,276 --> 01:04:25,779 The press assumed that Edward saved us. 1481 01:04:25,862 --> 01:04:28,865 And he, from that point on, was the hero. 1482 01:04:28,949 --> 01:04:30,200 And that is true. 1483 01:04:30,284 --> 01:04:32,619 Edward kept us all together 1484 01:04:32,703 --> 01:04:34,746 and Edward helped us get out. 1485 01:04:34,830 --> 01:04:37,624 But Edward was not the only hero. 1486 01:04:39,334 --> 01:04:41,962 I was telling people, Mike Marshall dug us out. 1487 01:04:42,045 --> 01:04:43,338 It was Mike that dug us out. 1488 01:04:43,422 --> 01:04:44,756 But nobody was listening. 1489 01:04:47,092 --> 01:04:49,511 (Carol) That day, I could see that Michael 1490 01:04:49,595 --> 01:04:52,472 was really depressed. 1491 01:04:52,556 --> 01:04:56,101 (Mike) I remember thinking to myself 1492 01:04:56,184 --> 01:04:58,520 "Why am I feeling like this? 1493 01:04:58,604 --> 01:04:59,896 "What's wrong with me? 1494 01:04:59,980 --> 01:05:01,773 "Hey, you know what, who cares? 1495 01:05:01,857 --> 01:05:04,735 We all got out, we're all out. That's what matters." 1496 01:05:04,818 --> 01:05:05,819 I felt... 1497 01:05:07,404 --> 01:05:08,614 ...guilty for feeling bad. 1498 01:05:10,574 --> 01:05:13,577 (Jennifer) Mike was not gonna boast about what he did. 1499 01:05:13,660 --> 01:05:15,871 That just wasn't Mike. 1500 01:05:15,954 --> 01:05:17,706 (Lynda) All the children know. We all know the story. 1501 01:05:17,789 --> 01:05:19,124 We were there for it. 1502 01:05:19,207 --> 01:05:20,751 So we do know what 1503 01:05:20,834 --> 01:05:22,628 everybody did and everybody's role. 1504 01:05:22,711 --> 01:05:25,047 But I don't think any of us really went out and spoke. 1505 01:05:25,130 --> 01:05:27,633 We were just children. 1506 01:05:27,716 --> 01:05:30,552 (Jennifer) We were still just trying to process what happened. 1507 01:05:32,471 --> 01:05:34,056 (Larry) That day was supposed to be 1508 01:05:34,139 --> 01:05:35,932 the day of honoring us. 1509 01:05:36,016 --> 01:05:37,809 They put a plaque in there 1510 01:05:37,893 --> 01:05:40,646 with all of our names. 1511 01:05:40,729 --> 01:05:44,524 But a lot of us were still in that hole. 1512 01:05:44,608 --> 01:05:46,443 [eerie music] 1513 01:05:48,195 --> 01:05:50,405 (Jennifer) When we got home, I thought 1514 01:05:50,489 --> 01:05:53,575 life would be...okay. 1515 01:05:53,659 --> 01:05:57,037 Even though the kidnappers were actually arrested... 1516 01:05:58,205 --> 01:06:01,625 ...it didn't stop my mind 1517 01:06:01,708 --> 01:06:03,418 from going over 1518 01:06:03,502 --> 01:06:06,213 what happened, what could have happened. 1519 01:06:06,296 --> 01:06:09,007 I can remember having nightmares immediately. 1520 01:06:09,091 --> 01:06:10,258 [eerie music] 1521 01:06:12,177 --> 01:06:15,138 My mom tells me that I started sleepwalking. 1522 01:06:15,222 --> 01:06:17,849 And I would come into their room just 1523 01:06:17,933 --> 01:06:22,020 in shock and tell them, they're killing me. 1524 01:06:22,104 --> 01:06:23,355 (Joan) We're driving down the road 1525 01:06:23,438 --> 01:06:25,273 and there happens to be a van. 1526 01:06:25,357 --> 01:06:27,234 Whether its telephone company or PG&E 1527 01:06:27,317 --> 01:06:29,653 or just a-a vehicle beside the road. 1528 01:06:29,736 --> 01:06:32,030 "Go on past, mama, don't stop. Don't slow down." 1529 01:06:35,242 --> 01:06:38,245 My self esteem at that point just really started... 1530 01:06:39,579 --> 01:06:41,164 ...to go down. 1531 01:06:41,248 --> 01:06:42,374 [intense music] 1532 01:06:44,501 --> 01:06:47,963 (Larry) I hated sleeping. 1533 01:06:48,046 --> 01:06:49,589 I hated going to sleep 1534 01:06:49,673 --> 01:06:51,925 because every night I was having nightmares. 1535 01:06:55,011 --> 01:06:57,889 I could hear Andrea screaming. She could hear me screaming. 1536 01:06:57,973 --> 01:07:01,601 "Mom! Mom! Mom!" 1537 01:07:01,685 --> 01:07:05,397 Those demons were gonna keep us forever. 1538 01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,941 [eerie music] 1539 01:07:09,943 --> 01:07:12,529 (Carol) I knew Michael was having trouble. 1540 01:07:12,612 --> 01:07:15,657 He was also screaming and hollering in his sleep. 1541 01:07:15,741 --> 01:07:18,410 I put myself back in there 1542 01:07:18,493 --> 01:07:20,370 thinking about how I was gonna die. 1543 01:07:21,872 --> 01:07:23,749 [thud] 1544 01:07:23,832 --> 01:07:26,585 (Carol) Our family was just turned inside out. 1545 01:07:26,668 --> 01:07:29,337 Didn't know how to fix it. 1546 01:07:29,421 --> 01:07:31,715 Didn't know who to talk to about it. 1547 01:07:31,798 --> 01:07:34,551 We left, went on the road. 1548 01:07:34,634 --> 01:07:37,179 Tried to forget it, get past it. 1549 01:07:38,764 --> 01:07:41,516 And the school did not offer 1550 01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:43,059 any help to those kids. 1551 01:07:43,143 --> 01:07:45,312 Like counseling, whatever. 1552 01:07:45,395 --> 01:07:47,689 I can't visibly see any problem now. 1553 01:07:47,773 --> 01:07:49,775 Whether or not, you know, there's some psychological scars 1554 01:07:49,858 --> 01:07:51,193 I-I certainly wouldn't know. 1555 01:07:51,276 --> 01:07:54,070 But, you know, it's just kind of on the surface. 1556 01:07:54,154 --> 01:07:55,614 I can't pull anything out. 1557 01:07:55,697 --> 01:07:56,865 Not once. 1558 01:07:56,948 --> 01:07:58,867 The kids were totally forgotten. 1559 01:08:01,578 --> 01:08:03,079 (Mike) You know, there was no 1560 01:08:03,163 --> 01:08:06,166 ground laid for anything like this. 1561 01:08:06,249 --> 01:08:08,794 Yet back then it was, uh... 1562 01:08:08,877 --> 01:08:10,629 "Go to Disneyland." 1563 01:08:10,712 --> 01:08:11,922 "Go to Disneyland." 1564 01:08:12,005 --> 01:08:14,508 [soft music] 1565 01:08:14,591 --> 01:08:16,885 (Jennifer) Alliance Club Group in Los Angeles 1566 01:08:16,968 --> 01:08:19,971 paid for a trip to Disneyland 1567 01:08:20,055 --> 01:08:23,850 as a way to somewhat overcome 1568 01:08:23,934 --> 01:08:25,685 the trauma that we had faced. 1569 01:08:28,355 --> 01:08:30,524 And so it was, for a moment 1570 01:08:30,607 --> 01:08:33,485 a chance to get away from Chowchilla 1571 01:08:33,568 --> 01:08:36,571 and go see Mickey and Minnie. 1572 01:08:38,156 --> 01:08:39,825 (Lynda) They held a parade for us. 1573 01:08:42,244 --> 01:08:44,246 I believe the way our parents were convinced 1574 01:08:44,329 --> 01:08:45,872 was that they were giving us therapy 1575 01:08:45,956 --> 01:08:47,082 some kind of therapy. 1576 01:08:49,668 --> 01:08:51,878 The trip to Disneyland 1577 01:08:51,962 --> 01:08:54,965 was an intrusion into the nightmare. 1578 01:08:55,048 --> 01:08:56,508 That's all it was. 1579 01:09:04,307 --> 01:09:06,393 (Lenore) In 1976 1580 01:09:06,476 --> 01:09:08,895 there was a word, childhood trauma out there 1581 01:09:08,979 --> 01:09:12,315 but nobody knew exactly what it was. 1582 01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:14,109 (Lenore) 'When one is traumatized' 1583 01:09:14,192 --> 01:09:17,153 the sense of gut basic trust goes. 1584 01:09:17,237 --> 01:09:19,823 (Lenore) While I was in training as a child psychiatrist 1585 01:09:19,906 --> 01:09:24,119 and I wanted to find out what happens to children 1586 01:09:24,202 --> 01:09:25,745 who get frightened to death... 1587 01:09:26,997 --> 01:09:29,416 ...and don't die. 1588 01:09:29,499 --> 01:09:31,459 And that started the Chowchilla study. 1589 01:09:33,003 --> 01:09:35,213 No one other than Dr. Terre was 1590 01:09:35,297 --> 01:09:36,965 even trying to be helpful. 1591 01:09:37,048 --> 01:09:38,341 (Carol) She told us right up front 1592 01:09:38,425 --> 01:09:40,218 she was writing a paper 1593 01:09:40,302 --> 01:09:42,929 for the American Medical Journal. 1594 01:09:43,013 --> 01:09:45,599 She was interviewing the kids. 1595 01:09:45,682 --> 01:09:48,518 She also listened to them. 1596 01:09:48,602 --> 01:09:52,147 I remember seeing various kinds of statements that were made. 1597 01:09:52,230 --> 01:09:54,858 (Lenore) The kids were not okay. 1598 01:09:54,941 --> 01:09:58,570 Somebody got a psychiatrist to come to town 1599 01:09:58,653 --> 01:10:00,071 and he made a prediction. 1600 01:10:00,155 --> 01:10:03,450 He said, "One kid in this twenty-six 1601 01:10:03,533 --> 01:10:05,493 is going to have a problem." 1602 01:10:05,577 --> 01:10:07,412 But what happened was 1603 01:10:07,495 --> 01:10:09,372 that no parent wanted to admit 1604 01:10:09,456 --> 01:10:12,876 that his kid was the one in twenty-six. 1605 01:10:12,959 --> 01:10:14,461 By the time I got out there 1606 01:10:14,544 --> 01:10:17,505 a hundred percent of those kids were having problems. 1607 01:10:19,758 --> 01:10:21,927 (Larry) Mom and dad were told not to come in 1608 01:10:22,010 --> 01:10:23,720 when we have nightmares. 1609 01:10:23,803 --> 01:10:26,264 They said that if they are going in 1610 01:10:26,348 --> 01:10:28,350 when we have nightmares, that we... 1611 01:10:28,433 --> 01:10:31,978 They are rewarding our behavior of having the nightmares. 1612 01:10:32,062 --> 01:10:33,855 And if they stop rewarding the behaviors 1613 01:10:33,939 --> 01:10:35,273 we'll stop having nightmares. 1614 01:10:36,900 --> 01:10:39,694 Andrea became very introverted. 1615 01:10:39,778 --> 01:10:42,739 Where she had been outgoing before... 1616 01:10:42,822 --> 01:10:45,575 ...she preferred to hide in her room. 1617 01:10:45,659 --> 01:10:47,994 (Lynda) Some of them became afraid to really get 1618 01:10:48,078 --> 01:10:49,996 intimate with anybody. 1619 01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:51,581 She would not hug me. 1620 01:10:51,665 --> 01:10:53,750 [soft music] 1621 01:10:53,833 --> 01:10:56,419 I would tell her that I loved her 1622 01:10:56,503 --> 01:10:59,005 and she would just ignore it like it was never said. 1623 01:11:01,383 --> 01:11:02,842 (Lenore) The Chowchilla children 1624 01:11:02,926 --> 01:11:05,887 had the worst idea about their futures. 1625 01:11:05,971 --> 01:11:08,890 In the unconscious, we are undestructible. 1626 01:11:08,974 --> 01:11:11,226 We are, we are... 1627 01:11:11,309 --> 01:11:13,144 ...gonna live forever. 1628 01:11:13,228 --> 01:11:15,313 After trauma? That's not true. 1629 01:11:17,023 --> 01:11:18,650 You buy it that you're gonna die. 1630 01:11:21,611 --> 01:11:24,489 In California, yesterday, three young men pleaded guilty 1631 01:11:24,572 --> 01:11:26,282 to the kidnapping a year ago 1632 01:11:26,366 --> 01:11:29,452 of 26 school children and their bus driver. 1633 01:11:29,536 --> 01:11:32,038 (newscaster #10) The men pled not guilty to different charges 1634 01:11:32,122 --> 01:11:34,833 that carry a life sentence without parole. 1635 01:11:37,836 --> 01:11:40,213 (newscaster #11) Prosecutor David Manir is also trying to show 1636 01:11:40,296 --> 01:11:42,257 that there was far more bodily harm 1637 01:11:42,340 --> 01:11:44,092 inflicted on the kidnapped victims. 1638 01:11:44,175 --> 01:11:46,261 Where you have conditions of total darkness 1639 01:11:46,344 --> 01:11:48,555 of not enough food or water 1640 01:11:48,638 --> 01:11:52,350 extremely hot conditions of panic among the children. 1641 01:11:52,434 --> 01:11:54,978 (David) That should be enough to constitute bodily harm 1642 01:11:55,061 --> 01:11:57,564 even if you don't have broken bones. 1643 01:11:57,647 --> 01:12:00,567 (Lenore) Physically, the children had a bruise or two. 1644 01:12:00,650 --> 01:12:02,110 There was a cut or two. 1645 01:12:02,193 --> 01:12:04,487 They had a little bit of urinary trouble 1646 01:12:04,571 --> 01:12:06,197 which cleared up. 1647 01:12:06,281 --> 01:12:08,408 So the defense said, "No harm." 1648 01:12:08,491 --> 01:12:10,744 As you gentlemen who have seen the transcript 1649 01:12:10,827 --> 01:12:13,455 know there's very little physical damage at all 1650 01:12:13,538 --> 01:12:15,874 and practically it's-it's non existent. 1651 01:12:15,957 --> 01:12:18,543 (reporter #16) 'What about the emotional damage that they talked about?' 1652 01:12:18,626 --> 01:12:20,503 'Is that possible?' 1653 01:12:20,587 --> 01:12:21,921 There is no case in California 1654 01:12:22,005 --> 01:12:23,715 that I know of that holds that 1655 01:12:23,798 --> 01:12:26,468 emotional damage is bodily injury. 1656 01:12:26,551 --> 01:12:28,094 (Lenore) I couldn't believe it. 1657 01:12:28,178 --> 01:12:30,847 The mind and the brain, that's not bodily harm? 1658 01:12:30,930 --> 01:12:32,557 What you do to a person's mind? 1659 01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:35,560 What you do to a young child's developing mind? 1660 01:12:35,643 --> 01:12:37,020 (newscaster #12) Bus driver Ed Ray 1661 01:12:37,103 --> 01:12:38,438 was among the early arrivals 1662 01:12:38,521 --> 01:12:40,273 at the Alameda County Courthouse 1663 01:12:40,356 --> 01:12:42,108 closely followed by some of the children 1664 01:12:42,192 --> 01:12:44,944 who were kidnapped with him in July of last year. 1665 01:12:45,028 --> 01:12:46,780 (Jill) So the children had to be brought in 1666 01:12:46,863 --> 01:12:49,199 had to testify about the injuries 1667 01:12:49,282 --> 01:12:51,743 that they sustained. 1668 01:12:51,826 --> 01:12:54,662 They had to face the kidnappers in that courtroom. 1669 01:12:57,290 --> 01:12:59,709 (Jennifer) I can remember my mom saying 1670 01:12:59,793 --> 01:13:02,879 that the kidnappers would be in the room. 1671 01:13:02,962 --> 01:13:06,007 I was so scared. 1672 01:13:06,091 --> 01:13:08,176 (newscaster #13) Ed Ray explained how he and the children 1673 01:13:08,259 --> 01:13:10,261 were placed in two airless vans 1674 01:13:10,345 --> 01:13:11,679 and how the children wept 1675 01:13:11,763 --> 01:13:13,723 and he feared suffocation. 1676 01:13:13,807 --> 01:13:16,601 Jodi Heffington fell to tears on the witness stand 1677 01:13:16,684 --> 01:13:18,436 as she attempted to tell her story 1678 01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,606 of the kidnapping and being entombed underground. 1679 01:13:21,689 --> 01:13:24,943 When they took me into the courtroom 1680 01:13:25,026 --> 01:13:27,112 I can remember sitting in the jury box 1681 01:13:27,195 --> 01:13:28,988 and I felt like I could barely see 1682 01:13:29,072 --> 01:13:30,865 'cause I was so little. 1683 01:13:30,949 --> 01:13:34,369 I remember not looking at the kidnappers like 1684 01:13:34,452 --> 01:13:36,162 I'm gonna do what I got to do 1685 01:13:36,246 --> 01:13:38,790 and I'm gonna get out of here. 1686 01:13:38,873 --> 01:13:41,501 I told them the harm 1687 01:13:41,584 --> 01:13:43,336 that they caused to us 1688 01:13:43,419 --> 01:13:46,422 was because of the conditions that they put us in. 1689 01:13:46,506 --> 01:13:48,550 And as I finished and I walked out 1690 01:13:48,633 --> 01:13:50,343 I just started bawling. 1691 01:13:54,472 --> 01:13:57,433 It was extremely brave of them to take the stand. 1692 01:14:00,728 --> 01:14:02,772 (reporter #17) 'You think they should ever be released?' 1693 01:14:02,856 --> 01:14:05,108 -No, I don't think they should. -'Why?' 1694 01:14:05,191 --> 01:14:07,152 Did you know they was gonna come back and release us 1695 01:14:07,235 --> 01:14:09,529 if we didn't get out? 1696 01:14:09,612 --> 01:14:13,283 We were buried under the ground, man. 1697 01:14:13,366 --> 01:14:16,119 (male #14) After 16 days of grueling testimony 1698 01:14:16,202 --> 01:14:19,289 Judge Deegan found all three men guilty. 1699 01:14:19,372 --> 01:14:21,708 Deegan, "This was an ordeal of terror 1700 01:14:21,791 --> 01:14:23,877 "and that, to me, causes suffering. 1701 01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:27,255 Suffering is in itself physical harm." 1702 01:14:27,338 --> 01:14:30,758 Finding out that my kidnappers got life 1703 01:14:30,842 --> 01:14:33,178 without the possibility of parole 1704 01:14:33,261 --> 01:14:36,556 was exactly what we had hoped for. 1705 01:14:38,183 --> 01:14:40,143 (Jill) But just when survivors felt 1706 01:14:40,226 --> 01:14:42,687 that they can find some sort of peace with it 1707 01:14:42,770 --> 01:14:45,190 the kidnappers filed appeals. 1708 01:14:45,273 --> 01:14:46,816 And in 1980 1709 01:14:46,900 --> 01:14:49,027 the appellate court agreed 1710 01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:50,820 and reversed the sentence. 1711 01:14:51,863 --> 01:14:53,740 [soft music] 1712 01:14:56,492 --> 01:14:59,704 (Lenore) The kidnappers had plenty of money 1713 01:14:59,787 --> 01:15:01,748 and plenty of time 1714 01:15:01,831 --> 01:15:04,083 and a very good attorney 1715 01:15:04,167 --> 01:15:07,670 and said, mental harm isn't bodily harm. 1716 01:15:07,754 --> 01:15:10,340 (Larry) They could be out after 25 years. 1717 01:15:10,423 --> 01:15:12,842 We thought we were safe, you know? 1718 01:15:12,926 --> 01:15:18,890 That was and still is like a slap in the face. 1719 01:15:24,437 --> 01:15:26,397 What was the worst part of it for you? 1720 01:15:26,481 --> 01:15:29,025 I really didn't think we were gonna get out. My brother did. 1721 01:15:29,108 --> 01:15:31,319 But I didn't think we were gonna get out 'cause I didn't know 1722 01:15:31,402 --> 01:15:33,571 what was gonna happen to us or if they'd ever let us out 1723 01:15:33,655 --> 01:15:35,281 or if we'd run out of food or die or what. 1724 01:15:35,365 --> 01:15:37,659 I just figured that was it. 1725 01:15:39,827 --> 01:15:41,537 (Jennifer) After the trial is done 1726 01:15:41,621 --> 01:15:44,707 I couldn't progress past the kidnapping. 1727 01:15:44,791 --> 01:15:48,670 My self esteem took a large blow. 1728 01:15:48,753 --> 01:15:51,130 I didn't want anybody knowing 1729 01:15:51,214 --> 01:15:53,132 everything that I had been through. 1730 01:15:53,216 --> 01:15:55,718 But everybody in Chowchilla knew about the kidnapping 1731 01:15:55,802 --> 01:15:57,470 so I had a lot of eyes watching me 1732 01:15:57,553 --> 01:15:59,681 at that point in time. 1733 01:15:59,764 --> 01:16:02,684 And then, unfortunate for us 1734 01:16:02,767 --> 01:16:04,519 five years after the kidnapping 1735 01:16:04,602 --> 01:16:06,813 my brother was in industrial accident 1736 01:16:06,896 --> 01:16:09,524 with my dad and my brother was killed. 1737 01:16:11,818 --> 01:16:14,195 (reporter #18) About 300 people attended Jeff's funeral. 1738 01:16:14,279 --> 01:16:17,031 Many standing outside because the chapel was full. 1739 01:16:17,115 --> 01:16:18,116 [sirens wailing] 1740 01:16:20,868 --> 01:16:23,246 (Jennifer) I felt so betrayed by God 1741 01:16:23,329 --> 01:16:26,332 that he got me through the kidnapping... 1742 01:16:26,416 --> 01:16:29,294 ...and then took away my beloved brother. 1743 01:16:31,587 --> 01:16:34,090 The spotlight was on us again. 1744 01:16:34,173 --> 01:16:38,428 We had reporters at our house all the time. 1745 01:16:38,511 --> 01:16:42,682 My small family at that point crumbled. 1746 01:16:42,765 --> 01:16:45,601 My parents divorced. 1747 01:16:45,685 --> 01:16:49,897 That small town became so suffocating for me 1748 01:16:49,981 --> 01:16:54,360 that I couldn't go to school without stares. 1749 01:16:54,444 --> 01:16:58,072 I couldn't go to school without people talking behind my back. 1750 01:16:58,156 --> 01:17:00,116 I couldn't go to school without somebody 1751 01:17:00,199 --> 01:17:02,160 saying, "I am so sorry." 1752 01:17:05,163 --> 01:17:07,540 And my mom and I made the decision 1753 01:17:07,623 --> 01:17:09,000 to leave Chowchilla. 1754 01:17:11,502 --> 01:17:14,088 I left during my junior year of high school. 1755 01:17:14,172 --> 01:17:16,674 I was a class officer. 1756 01:17:16,758 --> 01:17:18,509 I was a cheerleader. 1757 01:17:18,593 --> 01:17:20,011 I was involved in everything. 1758 01:17:20,094 --> 01:17:22,180 I gave it all up so that we could move away 1759 01:17:22,263 --> 01:17:24,057 and I could be a nobody. 1760 01:17:24,140 --> 01:17:26,851 I just wanted to be nobody. 1761 01:17:29,062 --> 01:17:31,230 (Lenore) When they get to be adults 1762 01:17:31,314 --> 01:17:33,983 childhood trauma doesn't just go away. 1763 01:17:34,067 --> 01:17:35,777 In fact, some of it gets worse. 1764 01:17:38,780 --> 01:17:41,115 [engine revving] 1765 01:17:43,326 --> 01:17:46,037 (Mike) I was about 19 or twenty 1766 01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:48,706 going out and getting... 1767 01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:51,125 ...hammered, blackout drunk 1768 01:17:51,209 --> 01:17:52,418 every single night. 1769 01:17:54,420 --> 01:17:57,048 I just didn't want to remember anymore about kidnapping. 1770 01:17:57,131 --> 01:17:58,383 I just wanted it to go away. 1771 01:18:01,969 --> 01:18:03,763 (Lenore) Around the four or five year mark 1772 01:18:03,846 --> 01:18:05,515 he was in trouble 1773 01:18:05,598 --> 01:18:07,433 as a rodeo rioter. 1774 01:18:07,517 --> 01:18:09,185 It was such a shame 1775 01:18:09,268 --> 01:18:11,646 that he had lost this pride in himself. 1776 01:18:12,730 --> 01:18:14,899 And some of that pride 1777 01:18:14,982 --> 01:18:17,402 from having been the kid's hero 1778 01:18:17,485 --> 01:18:19,153 had been robbed from him 1779 01:18:19,237 --> 01:18:21,239 by the town's response. 1780 01:18:23,324 --> 01:18:24,742 He was never acknowledged. 1781 01:18:26,702 --> 01:18:30,540 (Mike) I didn't know who I was anymore. 1782 01:18:30,623 --> 01:18:33,960 That cowboy part of me went away. 1783 01:18:35,503 --> 01:18:38,131 I'm still alive. I still walk and talk. 1784 01:18:38,214 --> 01:18:40,883 But still the way I feel inside me 1785 01:18:40,967 --> 01:18:42,427 what they'd done to me... 1786 01:18:44,178 --> 01:18:45,304 ...they could never feel 1787 01:18:45,388 --> 01:18:47,682 what-what they put us through. 1788 01:18:49,016 --> 01:18:51,519 Alcohol helps with that in a big way. 1789 01:18:53,271 --> 01:18:55,815 [tense music] 1790 01:18:55,898 --> 01:18:59,235 (Carol) Over the years, everything just overwhelmed him. 1791 01:18:59,318 --> 01:19:01,279 He got more and more in... 1792 01:19:02,738 --> 01:19:04,073 ...into the hole. 1793 01:19:04,157 --> 01:19:06,951 I was drinking and using it 1794 01:19:07,034 --> 01:19:13,040 and all that to the point where I'd been to seven rehabs. 1795 01:19:13,124 --> 01:19:14,709 Was living in insanity. 1796 01:19:16,377 --> 01:19:19,297 Before the kidnapping 1797 01:19:19,380 --> 01:19:22,758 I could see so much light 1798 01:19:22,842 --> 01:19:26,262 ahead of me, see my future. 1799 01:19:26,345 --> 01:19:28,723 But then after the kidnapping 1800 01:19:28,806 --> 01:19:30,183 I couldn't see anything. 1801 01:19:39,192 --> 01:19:40,943 (Jill) The kidnappers have been having parole hearings 1802 01:19:41,027 --> 01:19:43,529 since the early 1980s. 1803 01:19:43,613 --> 01:19:46,824 Many of the survivors wanted to participate in the process. 1804 01:19:46,908 --> 01:19:50,119 Jodi Huffington attended almost every hearing 1805 01:19:50,203 --> 01:19:52,288 having to face each of the kidnappers 1806 01:19:52,371 --> 01:19:53,748 every five years. 1807 01:19:53,831 --> 01:19:55,833 They did a number of emotional damage 1808 01:19:55,917 --> 01:19:58,461 to-to all of-all of us 1809 01:19:58,544 --> 01:20:02,048 including our families, our parents. 1810 01:20:02,131 --> 01:20:07,261 Um...our lives were never the same after that, ever. 1811 01:20:07,345 --> 01:20:08,930 (Jennifer) During the kidnapping 1812 01:20:09,013 --> 01:20:11,807 Jodi Heffington was one of the older girls 1813 01:20:11,891 --> 01:20:14,727 who was like a older sister figure 1814 01:20:14,810 --> 01:20:16,812 to a lot of the kids. 1815 01:20:16,896 --> 01:20:19,106 (Lenore) She was the one kid who held the flashlight 1816 01:20:19,190 --> 01:20:23,569 the whole time and stood steady as anything. 1817 01:20:23,653 --> 01:20:26,697 (Jennifer) She became one of our strongest advocates. 1818 01:20:26,781 --> 01:20:29,158 Her and Melinda Correjo have gotten in the car 1819 01:20:29,242 --> 01:20:31,661 and driven hours to the Bay Area 1820 01:20:31,744 --> 01:20:35,790 to be there in person numerous times. 1821 01:20:35,873 --> 01:20:38,751 What they did, they should stay there. 1822 01:20:38,834 --> 01:20:41,254 (Matthew) It was on the victims to fight for them to be in jail. 1823 01:20:41,337 --> 01:20:43,798 If they had not been going to the parole hearings 1824 01:20:43,881 --> 01:20:45,633 they'd have been out in probably 1980 something. 1825 01:20:48,010 --> 01:20:51,305 At one hearing, they actually shut me down 1826 01:20:51,389 --> 01:20:53,474 because I was so angry. 1827 01:20:53,558 --> 01:20:56,561 One of the guards led me away. 1828 01:20:56,644 --> 01:20:59,105 It was one thing that they hurt me 1829 01:20:59,188 --> 01:21:01,649 but they completely shattered my family. 1830 01:21:03,776 --> 01:21:08,197 Andrea had dissociated from the family 1831 01:21:08,281 --> 01:21:10,449 and left Chowchilla. 1832 01:21:10,533 --> 01:21:12,159 My mom lost faith 1833 01:21:12,243 --> 01:21:14,078 in my dad as a protector. 1834 01:21:15,580 --> 01:21:18,165 I was surviving day to day. 1835 01:21:18,249 --> 01:21:20,209 Hated my life, hated myself 1836 01:21:20,293 --> 01:21:21,752 and hated everyone around me. 1837 01:21:26,048 --> 01:21:27,842 (reporter #19) Park has had trouble with the law 1838 01:21:27,925 --> 01:21:29,719 spent some time in prison. 1839 01:21:29,802 --> 01:21:31,387 He's doing better now, he says 1840 01:21:31,470 --> 01:21:32,930 but still struggling. 1841 01:21:33,014 --> 01:21:35,558 If they want me to believe that they're ready... 1842 01:21:37,101 --> 01:21:40,229 ...they're gonna have to let me see him cry. 1843 01:21:40,313 --> 01:21:42,523 They're gonna have to let me see him cry for me 1844 01:21:42,607 --> 01:21:44,442 and for my sister and my family. 1845 01:21:46,235 --> 01:21:48,529 When they would go to the parole hearings 1846 01:21:48,613 --> 01:21:50,489 it would be the responsibility of the victim 1847 01:21:50,573 --> 01:21:53,242 to say what their story is. 1848 01:21:53,326 --> 01:21:55,202 (Matthew) My mom talked about how she didn't feel safe 1849 01:21:55,286 --> 01:21:57,747 around men, her depression 1850 01:21:57,830 --> 01:22:00,750 her struggles with addiction issues. 1851 01:22:00,833 --> 01:22:02,960 What they don't tell you 1852 01:22:03,044 --> 01:22:05,588 is that you're not just gonna speak your piece for one time. 1853 01:22:05,671 --> 01:22:09,634 They never got rest. 1854 01:22:09,717 --> 01:22:13,804 (Jennifer) The kidnappers were denied parole for many, many years. 1855 01:22:13,888 --> 01:22:15,681 It wasn't until after 2010 1856 01:22:15,765 --> 01:22:18,225 that there was public support for them. 1857 01:22:18,309 --> 01:22:21,937 (newscaster #14) A rally was held today in San Francisco by supporters 1858 01:22:22,021 --> 01:22:24,106 demanding parole for the kidnappers. 1859 01:22:24,190 --> 01:22:28,444 Several high profile politicians and families 1860 01:22:28,527 --> 01:22:30,946 became involved in advocating for parole. 1861 01:22:31,030 --> 01:22:33,157 (Jill) This includes Gavin Newsom's father 1862 01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:34,909 who was an appellate judge. 1863 01:22:34,992 --> 01:22:37,411 Nobody was physically injured. 1864 01:22:37,495 --> 01:22:39,622 Huge factor in the case. 1865 01:22:39,705 --> 01:22:43,542 (Jill) And Dale Fore who was part of the investigative team 1866 01:22:43,626 --> 01:22:45,294 from Madera county when 1867 01:22:45,378 --> 01:22:47,672 the Chowchilla kidnapping case occurred. 1868 01:22:47,755 --> 01:22:49,131 (Dale) What's right is right. 1869 01:22:49,215 --> 01:22:51,092 How much time you want out of these guys? 1870 01:22:51,175 --> 01:22:53,344 He was one of the people who assured us that 1871 01:22:53,427 --> 01:22:56,347 none of the kidnappers would ever get out. 1872 01:22:56,430 --> 01:22:59,308 (Jill) He started working for Fred Wood's team. 1873 01:22:59,392 --> 01:23:02,812 He knew many of the survivors and at times 1874 01:23:02,895 --> 01:23:04,730 he approached them and offered them money 1875 01:23:04,814 --> 01:23:08,109 to come and support parole to change their position. 1876 01:23:08,192 --> 01:23:11,070 He had offered me personally 1877 01:23:11,153 --> 01:23:14,156 at one point to make some money. 1878 01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:16,450 He wanted me to write letters in support 1879 01:23:16,534 --> 01:23:19,328 of parole for the kidnappers 1880 01:23:19,412 --> 01:23:21,872 and I let him know I was not the kind of girl 1881 01:23:21,956 --> 01:23:24,208 that could be bought. 1882 01:23:24,291 --> 01:23:25,751 The next parole hearing 1883 01:23:25,835 --> 01:23:27,670 one of the kidnap victims 1884 01:23:27,753 --> 01:23:30,297 showed up with Dale as her support person 1885 01:23:30,381 --> 01:23:32,800 with letters in support of release. 1886 01:23:32,883 --> 01:23:35,261 Don't ask me nothing. 1887 01:23:35,344 --> 01:23:38,264 It was a complete, like, betrayal to everyone. 1888 01:23:38,347 --> 01:23:41,225 [dramatic music] 1889 01:23:51,110 --> 01:23:52,903 (Larry) Over the years 1890 01:23:52,987 --> 01:23:55,531 there was an anger building in me 1891 01:23:55,614 --> 01:23:57,950 that infested... 1892 01:23:58,033 --> 01:24:00,453 ...absolutely every aspect of my life. 1893 01:24:02,204 --> 01:24:05,499 I was replaying the kidnapping constantly. 1894 01:24:06,792 --> 01:24:08,627 I wanted to torture those men. 1895 01:24:09,962 --> 01:24:11,380 I would fantasize... 1896 01:24:12,715 --> 01:24:15,259 ...about the different ways 1897 01:24:15,342 --> 01:24:16,635 that we could get them. 1898 01:24:19,346 --> 01:24:22,391 I was in a prison 1899 01:24:22,475 --> 01:24:24,101 of my own making... 1900 01:24:26,812 --> 01:24:28,397 ...and I decided to pray. 1901 01:24:30,191 --> 01:24:32,693 I said, "God forgive 'em, because I can't. 1902 01:24:32,777 --> 01:24:34,195 God bless 'em, because I can't." 1903 01:24:34,278 --> 01:24:36,071 And I realized 1904 01:24:36,155 --> 01:24:38,991 "God, forgive 'em, because I won't." 1905 01:24:40,659 --> 01:24:43,913 And God, he said 1906 01:24:43,996 --> 01:24:45,539 "I can work with the truth. 1907 01:24:47,166 --> 01:24:49,084 We can move forward from here." 1908 01:24:55,508 --> 01:24:57,426 (Jill) Larry park decided to go through 1909 01:24:57,510 --> 01:24:59,637 the restorative justice process 1910 01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:00,888 and that's a process 1911 01:25:00,971 --> 01:25:02,431 that assists survivors 1912 01:25:02,515 --> 01:25:05,851 that choose to, to talk to their offender. 1913 01:25:05,935 --> 01:25:08,062 To come to closure if it helps them. 1914 01:25:08,145 --> 01:25:10,731 [soft music] 1915 01:25:12,817 --> 01:25:13,943 (Larry) So I got to go in... 1916 01:25:16,153 --> 01:25:19,365 ...and I said, "I was your victim for 36 hours." 1917 01:25:21,784 --> 01:25:24,870 But for the last 38 years, I've been my own victim. 1918 01:25:27,456 --> 01:25:29,834 I told them that I forgave them... 1919 01:25:31,710 --> 01:25:33,963 ...but forgiving them wasn't enough. 1920 01:25:35,714 --> 01:25:38,092 I had spent my lifetime... 1921 01:25:39,510 --> 01:25:41,929 ...hating them, and so I asked... 1922 01:25:43,347 --> 01:25:44,723 ...for their forgiveness. 1923 01:25:53,023 --> 01:25:56,277 A man convicted of kidnapping a bus full of children 1924 01:25:56,360 --> 01:26:00,447 in Chowchilla more than 35 years ago is now free. 1925 01:26:00,531 --> 01:26:02,241 The California Department of Corrections 1926 01:26:02,324 --> 01:26:04,577 released Richard Schoenfeld last night 1927 01:26:04,660 --> 01:26:07,079 from a San Luis Obispo prison. 1928 01:26:07,162 --> 01:26:10,916 In 1976 he kidnapped 26 children. 1929 01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:14,670 A crime that held the nation with great concern. 1930 01:26:14,753 --> 01:26:17,298 (Lynda) When the youngest kidnapper got out 1931 01:26:17,381 --> 01:26:20,384 that's when the panic attacks started happening. 1932 01:26:20,467 --> 01:26:21,802 And the worry, all these feelings come up 1933 01:26:21,886 --> 01:26:23,637 that you hadn't felt in so long. 1934 01:26:23,721 --> 01:26:26,390 I was kind of nauseous 1935 01:26:26,473 --> 01:26:28,309 and then very tearful 1936 01:26:28,392 --> 01:26:31,395 because first-I think first of other children. 1937 01:26:31,478 --> 01:26:34,815 I prepared myself because I knew that his brother 1938 01:26:34,899 --> 01:26:37,985 would be not too soon after that. 1939 01:26:38,068 --> 01:26:40,112 (newscaster #15) After nearly 40 years behind bars 1940 01:26:40,195 --> 01:26:43,699 James Schoenfeld will soon be out of prison and on parole. 1941 01:26:43,782 --> 01:26:45,242 News of the latest release 1942 01:26:45,326 --> 01:26:47,244 did not go over well with the victims. 1943 01:26:47,328 --> 01:26:50,998 This led all the prisoners who hurt someone 1944 01:26:51,081 --> 01:26:53,334 and hurt their families. Just let's let them all go. 1945 01:26:55,586 --> 01:26:58,881 Jodi went into a huge depression. 1946 01:26:58,964 --> 01:27:00,549 She would say, "Lynda, it's all my fault. 1947 01:27:00,633 --> 01:27:03,093 It's all my fault they're getting out. It's all my fault." 1948 01:27:03,177 --> 01:27:05,304 And I said, "We have as much responsibility 1949 01:27:05,387 --> 01:27:07,181 as you do to keep them in." 1950 01:27:10,100 --> 01:27:11,977 (Matthew) She couldn't get out of bed no more. 1951 01:27:12,061 --> 01:27:13,687 And it was just, she was so weak. 1952 01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:16,982 Because she was just drinking so much 1953 01:27:17,066 --> 01:27:19,234 and she wouldn't eat because she was so depressed. 1954 01:27:19,318 --> 01:27:22,655 And she basically just couldn't 1955 01:27:22,738 --> 01:27:25,658 process life the way she was supposed to. 1956 01:27:25,741 --> 01:27:27,242 And my mom just did her best 1957 01:27:27,326 --> 01:27:28,702 for as long as she could. 1958 01:27:28,786 --> 01:27:31,664 [soft music] 1959 01:27:35,334 --> 01:27:36,794 And it was their fucking fault. 1960 01:27:38,128 --> 01:27:39,129 [sighs] 1961 01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:47,262 (George) While the Schoenfelds in prison 1962 01:27:47,346 --> 01:27:50,849 seemed to behave according to the rules 1963 01:27:50,933 --> 01:27:52,726 Woods was different. 1964 01:27:52,810 --> 01:27:55,771 It was discovered that he was conducting businesses 1965 01:27:55,854 --> 01:27:58,315 including a Christmas tree farm, a gold mine. 1966 01:27:58,399 --> 01:28:00,818 (Jill) And he continued to purchase and collect cars 1967 01:28:00,901 --> 01:28:02,736 while he was incarcerated. 1968 01:28:02,820 --> 01:28:03,821 (George) He was able to acquire 1969 01:28:03,904 --> 01:28:05,489 contraband cell phones 1970 01:28:05,572 --> 01:28:07,825 and use them to conduct the businesses. 1971 01:28:07,908 --> 01:28:11,120 The extent that Fred Woods involved himself 1972 01:28:11,203 --> 01:28:14,873 in every small detail was staggering. 1973 01:28:14,957 --> 01:28:17,543 -This is a prepaid call from... -Fred. 1974 01:28:17,626 --> 01:28:20,170 (automated voice) An inmate at the county Correctional Facility. 1975 01:28:20,254 --> 01:28:21,672 (Fred) Hey, Mike, it's Fred, what's the deal about 1976 01:28:21,755 --> 01:28:23,173 the generator being screwed up? 1977 01:28:23,257 --> 01:28:26,135 Listen, I need green-dark numbered... 1978 01:28:26,218 --> 01:28:29,096 [overlapping chatter] 1979 01:28:31,932 --> 01:28:35,769 Also the title the truck is... 1980 01:28:35,853 --> 01:28:37,771 (George) One of the more astonishing things 1981 01:28:37,855 --> 01:28:40,315 that Fred Woods has possession 1982 01:28:40,399 --> 01:28:42,359 of the two kidnap vans 1983 01:28:42,443 --> 01:28:44,528 that the children and the bus driver 1984 01:28:44,611 --> 01:28:45,904 were transported in 1985 01:28:45,988 --> 01:28:48,073 because he thinks the value 1986 01:28:48,157 --> 01:28:50,284 will increase because of their notoriety. 1987 01:28:52,578 --> 01:28:55,664 It's not any sentimental value. 1988 01:28:55,748 --> 01:28:58,917 This is Fred's continuing obsession 1989 01:28:59,001 --> 01:29:01,754 I would call it with money. 1990 01:29:01,837 --> 01:29:04,840 It's amazing, because he didn't even need the money. 1991 01:29:04,923 --> 01:29:08,510 The Woods family set up a trust. 1992 01:29:08,594 --> 01:29:11,847 They wanted to pass on what they could to their son... 1993 01:29:11,930 --> 01:29:13,557 [eerie music] 1994 01:29:15,225 --> 01:29:17,227 ...and it was estimated in one filing 1995 01:29:17,311 --> 01:29:19,980 to be a $100 million. 1996 01:29:20,064 --> 01:29:23,525 Money that woods, even as an inmate had access to. 1997 01:29:23,609 --> 01:29:24,902 [instrumental music] 1998 01:29:27,196 --> 01:29:29,615 (Lynda) The hearing came up pretty quick. 1999 01:29:32,284 --> 01:29:34,078 It was really difficult 2000 01:29:34,161 --> 01:29:37,456 because we have just recently lost Jodi. 2001 01:29:37,539 --> 01:29:40,084 But the community came together and said 2002 01:29:40,167 --> 01:29:42,503 "Okay, we got to not just do it for ourselves 2003 01:29:42,586 --> 01:29:45,923 do it for Jodi and Jeff and...each other." 2004 01:29:48,175 --> 01:29:50,677 (reporter #20) This is the 17th subsequent life parole 2005 01:29:50,761 --> 01:29:53,263 consideration hearing for Frederick Woods. 2006 01:29:55,349 --> 01:29:58,268 (George) Only the inmate and his attorney 2007 01:29:58,352 --> 01:29:59,937 were in the prison. 2008 01:30:00,020 --> 01:30:02,106 Everybody else was on remote. 2009 01:30:02,189 --> 01:30:05,984 Here we are wondering if rehabilitation has o-occurred. 2010 01:30:06,068 --> 01:30:08,904 Is rehabilitation running businesses out of a jail cell 2011 01:30:08,987 --> 01:30:11,156 sneakily smuggling contrabands such as cell phones 2012 01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:12,866 in and out of prison without regard 2013 01:30:12,950 --> 01:30:14,743 to rules, regulations, and authority? 2014 01:30:14,827 --> 01:30:16,745 He should not be released. 2015 01:30:16,829 --> 01:30:18,622 His mind is still evil. 2016 01:30:18,705 --> 01:30:20,624 And he is out to get what he wants 2017 01:30:20,707 --> 01:30:22,668 with no regret for the safety of others. 2018 01:30:22,751 --> 01:30:25,087 Mr. Woods has not changed for the better 2019 01:30:25,170 --> 01:30:27,840 in the 45 plus years he's been incarcerated. 2020 01:30:27,923 --> 01:30:30,217 He's gotten to heal. 2021 01:30:30,300 --> 01:30:33,428 And my mother was never granted that chance. 2022 01:30:33,512 --> 01:30:37,307 From 1976 to when she died two years ago. 2023 01:30:37,391 --> 01:30:39,434 The biggest question the commissioners had 2024 01:30:39,518 --> 01:30:41,520 was from the lead commissioner, uh 2025 01:30:41,603 --> 01:30:46,275 who asked why Woods was so fixated on money. 2026 01:30:46,358 --> 01:30:48,152 (Woods) I've always said I needed the money. 2027 01:30:48,235 --> 01:30:50,737 Well, I didn't need the money. I wanted the money. 2028 01:30:50,821 --> 01:30:53,365 I've learned that in the last few years. 2029 01:30:53,448 --> 01:30:55,450 That was a mistake on my part. 2030 01:30:55,534 --> 01:30:58,162 I was totally wrong with this way of thinking. 2031 01:30:58,245 --> 01:31:00,998 I've had a thinking change. 2032 01:31:01,081 --> 01:31:04,334 I felt that he still wasn't... 2033 01:31:04,418 --> 01:31:07,588 ...wholly truthful and that he still showed some of the same 2034 01:31:07,671 --> 01:31:11,717 characteristics that he did at the time he planned this. 2035 01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:14,428 I wonder if he understands that the trauma 2036 01:31:14,511 --> 01:31:17,472 the physical and emotional trauma, is life altering. 2037 01:31:20,184 --> 01:31:22,769 [unnerving music] 2038 01:31:22,853 --> 01:31:25,647 That was really very sad 2039 01:31:25,731 --> 01:31:28,025 thinking how we've worked so hard. 2040 01:31:30,736 --> 01:31:33,989 (Jennifer) I feel that I did everything I could possibly do 2041 01:31:34,072 --> 01:31:37,201 but I had to let go 2042 01:31:37,284 --> 01:31:40,370 of the thought that I had th-that control. 2043 01:31:41,997 --> 01:31:45,334 If that kept me in dark place 2044 01:31:45,417 --> 01:31:47,419 for too much longer 2045 01:31:47,502 --> 01:31:48,712 it would be overwhelming. 2046 01:31:55,510 --> 01:31:58,805 (George) The thing about this case that made it unique 2047 01:31:58,889 --> 01:32:03,435 was the continuing impact of the crime on the children. 2048 01:32:03,518 --> 01:32:07,272 In 1976, we thought they would just get over it. 2049 01:32:07,356 --> 01:32:09,858 [instrumental music] 2050 01:32:09,942 --> 01:32:13,278 But all were deeply affected. 2051 01:32:13,362 --> 01:32:15,405 Dr. Tear once called the children 2052 01:32:15,489 --> 01:32:17,574 little pioneers of medicine 2053 01:32:17,658 --> 01:32:19,785 because they so helped in the understanding 2054 01:32:19,868 --> 01:32:21,286 of childhood trauma. 2055 01:32:21,370 --> 01:32:24,831 They paved the way for us to understand 2056 01:32:24,915 --> 01:32:26,792 more contemporary things. 2057 01:32:26,875 --> 01:32:28,377 What happens when you force children 2058 01:32:28,460 --> 01:32:30,462 away from their parents at a border. 2059 01:32:30,545 --> 01:32:32,547 (Lenore) What happens to children 2060 01:32:32,631 --> 01:32:36,426 at some of these horrible school shootings. 2061 01:32:36,510 --> 01:32:38,720 (Larry) Because of the Chowchilla kidnapping 2062 01:32:38,804 --> 01:32:42,182 there were counselors at Columbine after the shooting. 2063 01:32:42,266 --> 01:32:46,812 There are counselors at nightclubs after shootings. 2064 01:32:46,895 --> 01:32:49,773 Chowchilla children are heroes. 2065 01:32:49,856 --> 01:32:52,150 (Lenore) And they continue to teach us 2066 01:32:52,234 --> 01:32:54,903 what childhood trauma is. 2067 01:32:54,987 --> 01:32:57,114 Forty-six, forty-seven, forty-eight 2068 01:32:57,197 --> 01:32:59,241 fifty years after the fact. 2069 01:32:59,324 --> 01:33:01,535 [music continues] 2070 01:33:03,537 --> 01:33:07,541 (Jennifer) We are in an area that is prone to tornadoes. 2071 01:33:07,624 --> 01:33:11,003 It's very common to have a storm shelter. 2072 01:33:11,086 --> 01:33:13,505 So we actually purchased one. 2073 01:33:13,588 --> 01:33:16,091 We weren't able to submerge it in the ground 2074 01:33:16,174 --> 01:33:19,720 because that's just a little bit too traumatic for me. 2075 01:33:19,803 --> 01:33:21,430 [door screeches] 2076 01:33:21,513 --> 01:33:23,807 My family knows that it's a struggle for me. 2077 01:33:23,890 --> 01:33:25,809 They work with me on that. 2078 01:33:25,892 --> 01:33:29,646 I'm thankful to my parents for encouraging me 2079 01:33:29,730 --> 01:33:32,899 to try to grow and give back. 2080 01:33:32,983 --> 01:33:37,321 To show that this one event has not defined me. 2081 01:33:37,404 --> 01:33:38,530 [wind rustling] 2082 01:33:40,824 --> 01:33:44,453 I focused on putting my energy towards 2083 01:33:44,536 --> 01:33:46,288 positive things in my life. 2084 01:33:46,371 --> 01:33:48,165 So I chose education. 2085 01:33:48,248 --> 01:33:51,126 And I went back to Chowchilla 2086 01:33:51,209 --> 01:33:53,754 and taught in Chowchilla at Avi Dairyland. 2087 01:33:53,837 --> 01:33:55,339 [music continues] 2088 01:33:55,422 --> 01:33:58,550 (Lynda) And I take the responsibility. 2089 01:33:58,633 --> 01:34:00,510 My eyes are always watching the children 2090 01:34:00,594 --> 01:34:03,180 making sure they are safe every second in the classroom. 2091 01:34:05,015 --> 01:34:07,017 I chose making a difference that way. 2092 01:34:07,100 --> 01:34:08,435 [pleasant music] 2093 01:34:10,228 --> 01:34:12,481 (Larry) For 34 years 2094 01:34:12,564 --> 01:34:14,066 I was nothing but a survivor. 2095 01:34:15,692 --> 01:34:17,319 Today I am a reverend. 2096 01:34:17,402 --> 01:34:19,571 A Christian counselor. 2097 01:34:21,448 --> 01:34:22,657 And I am a friend. 2098 01:34:24,534 --> 01:34:25,869 I wake up in the morning 2099 01:34:25,952 --> 01:34:28,163 I say my rosary and I step out... 2100 01:34:29,581 --> 01:34:30,582 ...in faith. 2101 01:34:31,666 --> 01:34:32,834 I never gave up. 2102 01:34:34,127 --> 01:34:35,128 Not completely. 2103 01:34:37,172 --> 01:34:41,051 Because I was taught at six years old 2104 01:34:41,134 --> 01:34:44,513 by a 14 year old boy, you don't give up. 2105 01:34:45,639 --> 01:34:46,848 You keep digging. 2106 01:34:46,932 --> 01:34:47,891 [music continues] 2107 01:34:47,974 --> 01:34:49,726 -How are you? -Good. 2108 01:34:49,810 --> 01:34:54,648 1977, it's the last time that I saw Mike Marshall. 2109 01:34:54,731 --> 01:34:57,609 Do you know I'm standing with my hero? 2110 01:34:57,692 --> 01:34:59,111 [sniffles] 2111 01:34:59,194 --> 01:35:00,654 I can't believe what he did. 2112 01:35:02,155 --> 01:35:03,448 I still can't believe it. 2113 01:35:03,532 --> 01:35:04,866 [Larry sniffles] 2114 01:35:04,950 --> 01:35:06,326 I appreciate that. 2115 01:35:06,410 --> 01:35:08,120 Thank you. 2116 01:35:08,203 --> 01:35:09,913 Thank you so much, Mike. 2117 01:35:09,996 --> 01:35:12,374 [instrumental music] 2118 01:35:14,126 --> 01:35:16,586 I didn't realize how much... 2119 01:35:16,670 --> 01:35:18,505 ...it would help me to... 2120 01:35:20,590 --> 01:35:23,927 (Mike) ...understand and to actually hear... 2121 01:35:24,010 --> 01:35:26,805 ...one of the kids tell me that I saved 2122 01:35:26,888 --> 01:35:29,683 their lives and that they were grateful. 2123 01:35:29,766 --> 01:35:34,271 Not very many people that, you know, can...relate. 2124 01:35:34,354 --> 01:35:35,397 [engine rumbling] 2125 01:35:37,649 --> 01:35:41,403 When I was a kid, I wanted to be a rodeo cowboy like my dad. 2126 01:35:41,486 --> 01:35:43,530 [rattling] 2127 01:35:43,613 --> 01:35:46,575 I would see myself far in the future 2128 01:35:46,658 --> 01:35:48,160 rodeoing for a living. 2129 01:35:48,243 --> 01:35:51,496 But woke up at about... 2130 01:35:51,580 --> 01:35:54,040 ...forty-eight years old with a... 2131 01:35:54,124 --> 01:35:56,460 [chuckles] ...blurry hangover. 2132 01:35:58,253 --> 01:36:00,964 But, then, getting sober, is amazing. 2133 01:36:01,047 --> 01:36:03,383 It's to have a life. 2134 01:36:03,467 --> 01:36:06,428 And, uh, to be grateful for every day. 2135 01:36:06,511 --> 01:36:08,138 [tires rustling] 2136 01:36:10,432 --> 01:36:13,894 It's taken a while to c-come back and rodeo. 2137 01:36:13,977 --> 01:36:16,605 But once you're a cowboy, you're always a cowboy. 2138 01:36:16,688 --> 01:36:18,231 'Cause it's in your heart. 2139 01:36:20,609 --> 01:36:23,862 So, I'm gonna cowboy up tomorrow and go 2140 01:36:23,945 --> 01:36:26,239 to this rope in here in Chowchilla 2141 01:36:26,323 --> 01:36:29,159 and...stick some steers. 2142 01:36:29,951 --> 01:36:31,286 [chuckles] 2143 01:36:31,369 --> 01:36:33,914 [tires rustling and water splattering] 2144 01:36:33,997 --> 01:36:35,373 (female announcer) 'Five, Lisa Jones, Jeff Cabal.' 2145 01:36:35,457 --> 01:36:37,000 'Six, Adam Silvera, Spencer Mitchell.' 2146 01:36:37,083 --> 01:36:38,502 'Seven, Tateville, Jimmy Joe.' 2147 01:36:38,585 --> 01:36:40,545 [country music] 2148 01:36:40,629 --> 01:36:42,589 (Mike) God has a way of making things 2149 01:36:42,672 --> 01:36:45,342 come full circle in his timing. 2150 01:36:45,425 --> 01:36:46,885 (female announcer) 'Mike, you're up.' 2151 01:36:46,968 --> 01:36:49,846 [Gunilla Hutton singing "Hot Chowchilla Dust"] 2152 01:36:51,848 --> 01:36:52,849 [rattles] 2153 01:36:55,936 --> 01:36:58,522 ♪ Bending over miles of cotton ♪ 2154 01:36:58,605 --> 01:37:01,233 ♪ Finally ruined my daddy's back ♪ 2155 01:37:03,401 --> 01:37:05,820 ♪ As he overcompensated ♪ 2156 01:37:05,904 --> 01:37:08,281 ♪ For an education lack ♪ 2157 01:37:10,242 --> 01:37:12,953 ♪ As a kid I rode behind him ♪ 2158 01:37:13,036 --> 01:37:16,122 ♪ On his canvas cotton sack ♪ 2159 01:37:16,206 --> 01:37:20,085 ♪ And every day say 500 pounds a buzz ♪ 2160 01:37:21,711 --> 01:37:23,547 ♪ As he pulled me through ♪ 2161 01:37:23,630 --> 01:37:25,799 ♪ That hot Chowchilla dust ♪ 2162 01:37:27,551 --> 01:37:30,053 ♪ When I grew too big to ride ♪ 2163 01:37:30,136 --> 01:37:33,056 ♪ I got myself an old sew sack ♪ 2164 01:37:35,016 --> 01:37:37,811 ♪ Mama sewed me on a harness ♪ 2165 01:37:37,894 --> 01:37:39,938 ♪ And strapped it on my back ♪ 2166 01:37:41,856 --> 01:37:44,317 ♪ Daddy headed for the fields ♪ 2167 01:37:44,401 --> 01:37:47,445 ♪ And as I stepped into his track ♪ 2168 01:37:47,529 --> 01:37:48,863 ♪ I ain't sure ♪ 2169 01:37:48,947 --> 01:37:53,201 ♪ But I think my mom cussed ♪ 2170 01:37:53,285 --> 01:37:57,455 ♪ As I followed him through that hot Chowchilla dust ♪♪ 2171 01:38:03,837 --> 01:38:06,214 [applause] 149947

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