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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,103 --> 00:00:07,034 SHATNER: Bare feet, 2 00:00:07,137 --> 00:00:09,965 walking on red-hot coals. 3 00:00:10,068 --> 00:00:14,206 Voodoo priests casting a spell. 4 00:00:14,310 --> 00:00:17,724 - [thunder crashing] - And ancient ceremonies used to ward off... 5 00:00:17,827 --> 00:00:20,551 - the Devil himself. - [screaming] 6 00:00:24,068 --> 00:00:29,000 Can ancient rituals really unleash incredible powers? 7 00:00:29,103 --> 00:00:33,000 Physical powers? Psychic powers? 8 00:00:33,103 --> 00:00:36,413 There are many who believe in the power of prayer. 9 00:00:36,517 --> 00:00:42,172 So what about spells used to conjure the dead? 10 00:00:42,275 --> 00:00:45,034 Could they really work? 11 00:00:45,137 --> 00:00:48,758 And if they do... 12 00:00:48,862 --> 00:00:50,827 what does that say about the physical laws 13 00:00:50,931 --> 00:00:52,103 of the world we live in? 14 00:00:52,206 --> 00:00:55,655 [chuckles]: Well... 15 00:00:55,758 --> 00:00:58,103 that is what we'll try and find out. 16 00:00:58,206 --> 00:01:00,413 ♪ 17 00:01:13,172 --> 00:01:16,965 SHATNER: San Pedro Manrique, Spain. 18 00:01:17,068 --> 00:01:20,000 June 23, 2018. 19 00:01:20,103 --> 00:01:22,482 Here, as they have for centuries, 20 00:01:22,586 --> 00:01:25,068 villagers gather for an evening festival 21 00:01:25,172 --> 00:01:28,034 to celebrate the summer solstice. 22 00:01:28,137 --> 00:01:31,482 They engage in singing, dancing, 23 00:01:31,586 --> 00:01:34,482 wearing elaborate costumes. 24 00:01:34,586 --> 00:01:38,827 But for a select group of villagers, 25 00:01:38,931 --> 00:01:42,758 the festivities aren't so... conventional. 26 00:01:42,862 --> 00:01:46,862 Because their evening also includes something 27 00:01:46,965 --> 00:01:48,275 out of the ordinary: 28 00:01:48,379 --> 00:01:51,000 a dangerous walk... 29 00:01:51,103 --> 00:01:53,000 - over fire. - [flames crackling] 30 00:01:54,379 --> 00:01:56,034 Now, I've seen many fire walking rituals 31 00:01:56,137 --> 00:01:58,862 in many different contexts in a variety of countries. 32 00:02:08,724 --> 00:02:12,206 They have this amphitheater around the, the place where 33 00:02:12,310 --> 00:02:14,517 the actual fire is, 34 00:02:14,620 --> 00:02:17,586 and these men walk on the embers. 35 00:02:17,689 --> 00:02:21,517 It's five or six steps from one side to the other. 36 00:02:21,620 --> 00:02:23,724 And they do it barefoot 37 00:02:23,827 --> 00:02:26,965 and usually carrying someone on their shoulders. 38 00:02:27,068 --> 00:02:29,068 [applause and cheering] 39 00:02:29,172 --> 00:02:32,172 People often wonder, is the fire walk really hot? 40 00:02:32,275 --> 00:02:33,965 And the answer is yes. 41 00:02:34,068 --> 00:02:38,275 Once the wood is first laid out, the overall temperature 42 00:02:38,379 --> 00:02:41,758 is between a thousand and 1,200 degrees. 43 00:02:41,862 --> 00:02:43,758 That's really hot. 44 00:02:43,862 --> 00:02:47,896 More than enough to burn flesh, certainly. 45 00:03:02,172 --> 00:03:04,586 MICHAEL DENNIN: If you look at the temperatures involved, 46 00:03:04,689 --> 00:03:06,172 you're typically talking temperatures 47 00:03:06,275 --> 00:03:08,965 over a thousand degrees Fahrenheit, and skin burns 48 00:03:09,068 --> 00:03:11,034 at a hundred, 160 degrees Fahrenheit. 49 00:03:11,137 --> 00:03:15,034 XIMENEZ: Walking on fire is very, very dangerous. 50 00:03:15,137 --> 00:03:16,620 I mean, you're barefoot. 51 00:03:16,724 --> 00:03:18,689 Just one wrong move 52 00:03:18,793 --> 00:03:21,758 and you can be severely burned. 53 00:03:36,931 --> 00:03:38,896 [crowd cheering] 54 00:03:41,310 --> 00:03:43,103 SHATNER: Walking on fire. 55 00:03:43,206 --> 00:03:47,482 And at temperatures hot enough to turn metal into liquid. 56 00:03:47,586 --> 00:03:49,310 No one in their right mind would do this 57 00:03:49,413 --> 00:03:51,965 and expect to emerge unharmed, right? 58 00:03:52,068 --> 00:03:56,482 And yet, the people of San Pedro Manrique 59 00:03:56,586 --> 00:04:00,413 manage to do just that, and on a yearly basis. 60 00:04:00,517 --> 00:04:03,379 But how? 61 00:04:03,482 --> 00:04:04,931 Walking across hot embers 62 00:04:05,034 --> 00:04:06,724 is one of my favorite physics problems. 63 00:04:06,827 --> 00:04:10,310 The trick is making sure the embers are hot enough 64 00:04:10,413 --> 00:04:13,724 that you actually get a very thin but very real layer 65 00:04:13,827 --> 00:04:18,034 of water vapor between your skin and the hot coals. 66 00:04:19,862 --> 00:04:21,517 Some of these same firewalkers, 67 00:04:21,620 --> 00:04:24,827 one day, they walk across unscathed; 68 00:04:24,931 --> 00:04:29,275 another time they try it, they do burn their feet. 69 00:04:29,379 --> 00:04:34,689 My experience tells me the difference is in their mindset. 70 00:04:34,793 --> 00:04:39,241 So at my fire walks, once we've taken the group out to the fire, 71 00:04:39,344 --> 00:04:41,137 and we're getting ready to walk, 72 00:04:41,241 --> 00:04:44,758 first, I like to remind them again about their intention. 73 00:04:44,862 --> 00:04:48,482 And this helps motivate them and get them across. 74 00:04:48,586 --> 00:04:52,310 And then, we raise people's energy 75 00:04:52,413 --> 00:04:54,758 before a fire walk. 76 00:04:54,862 --> 00:04:58,724 Firewalkers around the world, regardless of tradition, 77 00:04:58,827 --> 00:05:02,689 religion, they raise the group's energy 78 00:05:02,793 --> 00:05:04,827 before they walk. 79 00:05:04,931 --> 00:05:08,482 So, this can be done with meditation, chanting, 80 00:05:08,586 --> 00:05:11,482 singing, dancing... 81 00:05:11,586 --> 00:05:13,793 Whatever the case, you want to get your group 82 00:05:13,896 --> 00:05:17,103 into an excited, pumped-up state 83 00:05:17,206 --> 00:05:18,724 before the fire walk. 84 00:05:18,827 --> 00:05:22,034 There is absolutely something about 85 00:05:22,137 --> 00:05:24,655 being in an excited, uplifted state 86 00:05:24,758 --> 00:05:27,275 that helps you get across safely. 87 00:05:27,379 --> 00:05:29,482 [crowd chanting] 88 00:05:29,586 --> 00:05:33,000 So what actually happens there psychologically 89 00:05:33,103 --> 00:05:35,931 is there is this emotional buildup. 90 00:05:36,034 --> 00:05:39,931 There is this highly intense arousal that's happening, 91 00:05:40,034 --> 00:05:43,172 and so you have cortisol and other sort of endocrine hormones 92 00:05:43,275 --> 00:05:45,655 flooding the system, which will help to block 93 00:05:45,758 --> 00:05:47,620 some of the pain receptors. 94 00:05:50,620 --> 00:05:52,344 SHATNER: Water vapor? 95 00:05:52,448 --> 00:05:54,206 Mind control? 96 00:05:54,310 --> 00:05:57,000 But can fire walking without pain or injury 97 00:05:57,103 --> 00:06:00,655 really be just a simple matter of will power? 98 00:06:00,758 --> 00:06:05,931 Or does it require something even more? 99 00:06:06,034 --> 00:06:08,241 We know we have the capability to redirect pain 100 00:06:08,344 --> 00:06:10,241 or even to numb pain just by putting ourselves 101 00:06:10,344 --> 00:06:11,689 in the right mindset. 102 00:06:11,793 --> 00:06:14,344 But many of these firewalkers don't even have blisters 103 00:06:14,448 --> 00:06:16,620 or burns on their feet. 104 00:06:16,724 --> 00:06:18,103 So, when you look at physics, 105 00:06:18,206 --> 00:06:19,379 that's impossible. 106 00:06:19,482 --> 00:06:20,620 If you touch something that's hot, 107 00:06:20,724 --> 00:06:21,862 you're gonna get burned. 108 00:06:21,965 --> 00:06:24,344 So the question is, are we dealing with 109 00:06:24,448 --> 00:06:27,689 the magical force that we have yet to fully understand? 110 00:06:27,793 --> 00:06:29,862 HOBSON: So in one study with the San Pedro 111 00:06:29,965 --> 00:06:31,862 Spanish fire walking ritual, 112 00:06:31,965 --> 00:06:36,000 a team of anthropologists were curious what happens to 113 00:06:36,103 --> 00:06:38,517 a person's heart rate for the individual 114 00:06:38,620 --> 00:06:40,068 who's actually walking, 115 00:06:40,172 --> 00:06:44,379 and for any individual who is close to them? 116 00:06:44,482 --> 00:06:47,172 Like a relative or a family member. 117 00:06:47,275 --> 00:06:49,310 [applause and cheering] 118 00:07:07,034 --> 00:07:08,758 [applause and cheering] 119 00:07:18,551 --> 00:07:21,103 HOBSON: The surprising part is that 120 00:07:21,206 --> 00:07:23,689 you will still have a state of physiology 121 00:07:23,793 --> 00:07:26,034 that's similar to the individual, as if... 122 00:07:26,137 --> 00:07:28,724 you are walking over the coals, 123 00:07:28,827 --> 00:07:31,275 when in fact, of course, you're not. 124 00:07:31,379 --> 00:07:35,827 AXTELL: It is so much more than just an individual ritual. 125 00:07:35,931 --> 00:07:38,517 It is a community experience. 126 00:07:38,620 --> 00:07:43,482 Yes, it is technically possible to cross a coal bed unharmed 127 00:07:43,586 --> 00:07:44,931 all by yourself. 128 00:07:45,034 --> 00:07:49,862 But it is much easier to experience a fire walk 129 00:07:49,965 --> 00:07:54,275 surrounded by people who are there to support you: 130 00:07:54,379 --> 00:07:56,827 your family, your community. 131 00:07:56,931 --> 00:07:59,896 Crossing barefoot over thousand-degree coals 132 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,896 doesn't make any practical sense. 133 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,655 And even though I've personally crossed 134 00:08:04,758 --> 00:08:06,724 hundreds and hundreds of coal beds, 135 00:08:06,827 --> 00:08:09,724 I still don't perfectly understand 136 00:08:09,827 --> 00:08:12,137 how and why it works like it does. 137 00:08:15,793 --> 00:08:17,551 So what about you? 138 00:08:17,655 --> 00:08:19,758 Are you willing to take your chances, 139 00:08:19,862 --> 00:08:24,379 slip off your shoes and walk barefoot over fire? 140 00:08:24,482 --> 00:08:26,896 Well, if you are, then perhaps you're also ready 141 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,137 to confront the unknown, and see what happens 142 00:08:29,241 --> 00:08:34,206 when you come face-to-face with the power of voodoo. 143 00:08:39,931 --> 00:08:41,379 SHATNER: London, England. 144 00:08:41,482 --> 00:08:43,517 May 2012. 145 00:08:43,620 --> 00:08:46,931 32-year-old author Julia Buckley 146 00:08:47,034 --> 00:08:51,137 is writing in her office when she experiences a pain 147 00:08:51,241 --> 00:08:54,551 unlike any she has ever felt before. 148 00:08:54,655 --> 00:08:58,241 I was just at my desk one day at work, typing away, 149 00:08:58,344 --> 00:09:01,482 um, reached out for a cup of coffee, 150 00:09:01,586 --> 00:09:05,965 and suddenly, it was as if my right arm was on fire, 151 00:09:06,068 --> 00:09:09,137 as if someone had laid out fireworks all the way 152 00:09:09,241 --> 00:09:12,896 from my fingers up to my armpit, and across to my neck. 153 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,000 I was really pretty disabled by the pain, 154 00:09:16,103 --> 00:09:17,379 'cause it was getting worse 155 00:09:17,482 --> 00:09:19,931 day by day, week by week. 156 00:09:20,034 --> 00:09:24,103 I couldn't do anything with this right arm at all. 157 00:09:24,206 --> 00:09:28,482 I saw three general doctors, I saw eight specialists; 158 00:09:28,586 --> 00:09:32,413 I was doing everything that I was told to do. 159 00:09:32,517 --> 00:09:35,551 So after two years, I was... 160 00:09:35,655 --> 00:09:38,482 completely at my wit's end. 161 00:09:38,586 --> 00:09:41,827 So I was pretty desperate, and in quite a dark place. 162 00:09:41,931 --> 00:09:44,379 SHATNER: With her life virtually in shambles, 163 00:09:44,482 --> 00:09:46,827 Julia was willing to try anything. 164 00:09:46,931 --> 00:09:49,620 Turning away from conventional medicine, 165 00:09:49,724 --> 00:09:52,206 she began to investigate alternatives, 166 00:09:52,310 --> 00:09:57,103 and this led her down a, shall we say, unusual path. 167 00:09:59,241 --> 00:10:00,896 Voodoo healing. 168 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,620 I was reading a book about voodoo. 169 00:10:04,724 --> 00:10:06,827 And reading it, I hadn't seen anything like it 170 00:10:06,931 --> 00:10:08,758 in any of the other research that I'd done. 171 00:10:08,862 --> 00:10:12,620 I just got this impression that the voodoo priests 172 00:10:12,724 --> 00:10:16,655 were probably the people who had the most, kind of, grasp of the, 173 00:10:16,758 --> 00:10:19,551 the mind-body relationship. 174 00:10:19,655 --> 00:10:22,413 And I just thought if anyone's gonna be able to help me, 175 00:10:22,517 --> 00:10:23,965 it's gonna be someone in Haiti. 176 00:10:26,413 --> 00:10:28,482 SHATNER: Still fighting debilitating pain, 177 00:10:28,586 --> 00:10:30,586 Julia Buckley flew to Haiti, 178 00:10:30,689 --> 00:10:32,896 and once there, arranged to meet 179 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,862 with Richard Morse, a voodoo practitioner. 180 00:10:36,965 --> 00:10:39,517 BUCKLEY: I had actually read interviews and knew 181 00:10:39,620 --> 00:10:44,310 that he was a voodoo priest as well as a hotel owner, 182 00:10:44,413 --> 00:10:46,448 and so I'd already thought, "Oh, I need to try and ask him 183 00:10:46,551 --> 00:10:48,620 whether he can, he can do anything for me." 184 00:10:48,724 --> 00:10:52,517 So, I checked into the hotel, met him 185 00:10:52,620 --> 00:10:54,172 and then we started talking about voodoo 186 00:10:54,275 --> 00:10:56,793 and its capacity for healing. 187 00:10:56,896 --> 00:10:59,137 And so, I told him exactly why I was there, 188 00:10:59,241 --> 00:11:01,724 and I just said, "Can you help me?" 189 00:11:01,827 --> 00:11:05,241 I think he said, "Are you, are you sure you want this?" 190 00:11:05,344 --> 00:11:07,689 And I was like, "Absolutely." 191 00:11:07,793 --> 00:11:10,517 MORSE: No one taught me how to do this. 192 00:11:10,620 --> 00:11:13,068 I didn't go to school to do this, 193 00:11:13,172 --> 00:11:18,793 but I have a certain capacity for something of this sort. 194 00:11:19,862 --> 00:11:22,137 My mom was a voodoo priestess, 195 00:11:22,241 --> 00:11:26,517 and my father's family goes back to the Puritans. 196 00:11:26,620 --> 00:11:28,413 I like to call my thing Puritan-voodoo, 197 00:11:28,517 --> 00:11:30,827 because I'm a mix. 198 00:11:30,931 --> 00:11:33,793 SHATNER: After learning about her symptoms, 199 00:11:33,896 --> 00:11:35,655 Morse led her into a dark room, 200 00:11:35,758 --> 00:11:38,517 one meant to summon spirits 201 00:11:38,620 --> 00:11:42,068 and extract whatever was harming her. 202 00:11:42,172 --> 00:11:46,758 BUCKLEY: There were candles and bottles all around the room. 203 00:11:46,862 --> 00:11:49,896 There were strips of cloth, different colored cloths 204 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,206 that now I know represent the different Loa, the spirits, 205 00:11:52,310 --> 00:11:53,655 all around the room. 206 00:11:53,758 --> 00:11:55,793 There were these terra-cotta pots 207 00:11:55,896 --> 00:11:59,275 that he said were filled with the souls of the dead. 208 00:11:59,379 --> 00:12:01,034 And there were these little bottles of 209 00:12:01,137 --> 00:12:02,931 what I found out afterwards were holy water 210 00:12:03,034 --> 00:12:05,689 brought from shrines all over the rest of the world. 211 00:12:06,931 --> 00:12:08,827 He went around me a couple of times. 212 00:12:08,931 --> 00:12:12,896 Then he stopped at the back of my neck and started feeling 213 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:17,310 from the bottom of my skull down to my neck. 214 00:12:17,413 --> 00:12:19,275 Kind of pressing on it, almost like 215 00:12:19,379 --> 00:12:20,620 what a chiropractor might do 216 00:12:20,724 --> 00:12:24,068 before they really start going for it. 217 00:12:24,172 --> 00:12:27,275 I was scared, because that's where all my problems were, 218 00:12:27,379 --> 00:12:29,620 and I didn't want him to hurt me, and I didn't want 219 00:12:29,724 --> 00:12:32,172 my neck to be cracked or anything like that. 220 00:12:32,275 --> 00:12:33,551 I was terrified. 221 00:12:33,655 --> 00:12:37,896 He told me that he had found 222 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,310 a demon in a shape of a black cat on my neck. 223 00:12:41,413 --> 00:12:45,000 So when he had been dragging his fingers down my neck, 224 00:12:45,103 --> 00:12:48,482 he was literally picking up and detaching this black cat. 225 00:12:48,586 --> 00:12:50,551 He said he didn't know how I'd got it, 226 00:12:50,655 --> 00:12:52,931 when I got it or how long it had been there, 227 00:12:53,034 --> 00:12:56,620 but he said it was nasty and that he'd got rid of it. 228 00:12:56,724 --> 00:12:59,724 It was only when I got to the airport, 229 00:12:59,827 --> 00:13:02,482 decided I needed a cup of coffee, 230 00:13:02,586 --> 00:13:04,931 and jumped up the stairs to the coffee bar 231 00:13:05,034 --> 00:13:07,275 carrying my little carry-on suitcase. 232 00:13:07,379 --> 00:13:10,000 I was standing with the coffee and I kind of looked down 233 00:13:10,103 --> 00:13:12,034 and thought, "Hang on, I can't normally do that." 234 00:13:12,137 --> 00:13:14,620 And I checked in with my body, and I realized, actually, 235 00:13:14,724 --> 00:13:16,517 nowhere is hurting right now. 236 00:13:16,620 --> 00:13:18,068 This is really strange. 237 00:13:18,172 --> 00:13:21,793 It was the first time in nearly three years 238 00:13:21,896 --> 00:13:24,586 that I hadn't been in pain. 239 00:13:24,689 --> 00:13:27,241 SHATNER: As far as Julia Buckley was concerned, 240 00:13:27,344 --> 00:13:31,275 voodoo had worked, after everything else had failed. 241 00:13:31,379 --> 00:13:33,517 But how? 242 00:13:33,620 --> 00:13:35,862 TOK THOMPSON: Voodoo is a fabulously interesting tradition. 243 00:13:35,965 --> 00:13:37,862 We see it in the Caribbean, 244 00:13:37,965 --> 00:13:39,689 primarily perhaps in Haiti, although certainly 245 00:13:39,793 --> 00:13:41,896 in other places around the Caribbean as well. 246 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,000 It's a part of a much larger assemblage of religions 247 00:13:45,103 --> 00:13:47,965 with a shared sort of worldview. 248 00:13:48,068 --> 00:13:52,413 This traces back to West Africa, and to several groups 249 00:13:52,517 --> 00:13:54,310 and several different religions there. 250 00:13:54,413 --> 00:13:57,448 The West African religious tradition was brought over 251 00:13:57,551 --> 00:13:59,310 via the slave trade to the Caribbean, 252 00:13:59,413 --> 00:14:01,586 to the Southern United States, where it flourished 253 00:14:01,689 --> 00:14:03,379 and took on different forms, 254 00:14:03,482 --> 00:14:07,413 and blended somewhat easily with the Catholic faith. 255 00:14:13,965 --> 00:14:17,448 You can call it God or you can call it, um, 256 00:14:17,551 --> 00:14:19,482 how you, how you want... 257 00:14:28,896 --> 00:14:31,000 [singing, chanting] 258 00:14:44,379 --> 00:14:45,482 [laughs] 259 00:14:48,103 --> 00:14:49,758 DAVID WHITEHEAD: So it could be 260 00:14:49,862 --> 00:14:51,896 that when it comes to these rituals, 261 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,310 that there's something about the nature of the ritual 262 00:14:55,413 --> 00:14:56,862 that actually activates 263 00:14:56,965 --> 00:14:59,448 something within the participant. 264 00:14:59,551 --> 00:15:02,310 But the ritual needs to be believed. 265 00:15:02,413 --> 00:15:03,965 It needs to be true to the participant 266 00:15:04,068 --> 00:15:07,068 in order for it to work. 267 00:15:07,172 --> 00:15:10,034 So the pageantry and the theatricality that's associated 268 00:15:10,137 --> 00:15:14,310 with these rituals, that's where their power lies. 269 00:15:18,482 --> 00:15:21,379 SHATNER: Perhaps one of the reasons voodoo's followers 270 00:15:21,482 --> 00:15:24,379 believe in its incredible power is because they know 271 00:15:24,482 --> 00:15:30,482 it not only can be used to heal, but also to harm. 272 00:15:30,586 --> 00:15:32,379 We hear this phrase, "voodoo death," you know, 273 00:15:32,482 --> 00:15:34,448 that people may have cast a spell or done 274 00:15:34,551 --> 00:15:37,862 some kind of ritual that causes the death of another person. 275 00:15:37,965 --> 00:15:41,793 And if we're scientific, "Well, that's ridiculous. 276 00:15:41,896 --> 00:15:43,034 That has no causal relationship here." 277 00:15:43,137 --> 00:15:44,965 But if we dig a little deeper, 278 00:15:45,068 --> 00:15:48,000 there have been cases of voodoo deaths where someone has said 279 00:15:48,103 --> 00:15:49,689 something or done something 280 00:15:49,793 --> 00:15:52,344 that literally affects another person. 281 00:15:52,448 --> 00:15:55,034 HOBSON: Most scientists, doctors or researchers 282 00:15:55,137 --> 00:15:57,965 would just call it an anomaly. 283 00:15:58,068 --> 00:16:00,172 A physical or psychological anomaly 284 00:16:00,275 --> 00:16:04,827 that we can't quite explain with the data 285 00:16:04,931 --> 00:16:07,310 or the information that are presented before us. 286 00:16:07,413 --> 00:16:12,551 BUCKLEY: I think there's a lot of value in things being unexplained. 287 00:16:12,655 --> 00:16:14,482 Something like voodoo, 288 00:16:14,586 --> 00:16:17,965 you're never gonna be able to have the proof of what happened. 289 00:16:18,068 --> 00:16:20,448 I don't know what happened in that room and I was there. 290 00:16:20,551 --> 00:16:25,241 SHATNER: Ancient rituals that can not only cure disease, 291 00:16:25,344 --> 00:16:26,931 but cause it? 292 00:16:27,034 --> 00:16:29,586 It seems hard to fathom. 293 00:16:29,689 --> 00:16:34,931 But then, why did Julia Buckley's pain disappear? 294 00:16:35,034 --> 00:16:37,586 Was it all in her head? 295 00:16:37,689 --> 00:16:43,310 Or can the answer be found by examining another ritual, 296 00:16:43,413 --> 00:16:49,000 one that is a ritual form of brutality? 297 00:17:09,068 --> 00:17:11,655 SHATNER: What is it about the ritual 298 00:17:11,758 --> 00:17:16,448 of watching violent, sometimes bloody sports combat 299 00:17:16,551 --> 00:17:18,827 that fascinates us? 300 00:17:18,931 --> 00:17:22,310 Is it merely because it fulfills a human desire 301 00:17:22,413 --> 00:17:24,793 to witness organized competition? 302 00:17:26,551 --> 00:17:28,551 Or, does it satisfy 303 00:17:28,655 --> 00:17:33,482 a much darker, more primal need in us 304 00:17:33,586 --> 00:17:35,862 than we like to admit? 305 00:17:35,965 --> 00:17:39,551 HOBSON: There's much less killing now in modern humans 306 00:17:39,655 --> 00:17:41,137 than there were in the past, 307 00:17:41,241 --> 00:17:44,724 but there still is that little bit left within us, 308 00:17:44,827 --> 00:17:47,931 that when you go to a sporting event and all of the rituals 309 00:17:48,034 --> 00:17:50,379 and all that mob mentality is pushing 310 00:17:50,482 --> 00:17:53,103 an individual to act out violently, 311 00:17:53,206 --> 00:17:56,586 well, it turns on that little spark of violence 312 00:17:56,689 --> 00:17:58,931 that still exists within us. 313 00:18:00,620 --> 00:18:02,379 L.A. JENNINGS: You may not realize it, 314 00:18:02,482 --> 00:18:05,620 but an MMA fight is very ritualistic. 315 00:18:05,724 --> 00:18:08,137 The participation in the event and the spectacle of it 316 00:18:08,241 --> 00:18:12,103 is part of a long history of rituals. 317 00:18:12,206 --> 00:18:14,137 FRANK TRIGG: When people get to the arena for a fight, 318 00:18:14,241 --> 00:18:16,965 there is a specific procedure that happens every single time. 319 00:18:17,068 --> 00:18:20,310 This procedure is set specifically to get 320 00:18:20,413 --> 00:18:23,689 not only the fighters ready, but to get the fans amped up 321 00:18:23,793 --> 00:18:26,551 so they can be the most hyped that they can possibly be 322 00:18:26,655 --> 00:18:28,827 for this particular fight when that fight starts. 323 00:18:28,931 --> 00:18:32,793 The song comes on, that starts at about a level three. 324 00:18:32,896 --> 00:18:34,896 "Oh, fight's about to happen." 325 00:18:37,034 --> 00:18:39,068 Then both guys walk in, the announcements are being made. 326 00:18:39,172 --> 00:18:40,931 ANNOUNCER: Ladies and gentlemen, let's have a nice round... 327 00:18:41,034 --> 00:18:43,793 TRIGG: Now you're coming up to a nine, a ten. 328 00:18:43,896 --> 00:18:45,862 "Oh, it's about to happen." The ring card girl comes in. 329 00:18:45,965 --> 00:18:47,724 The first round is gonna get started for this fight. 330 00:18:47,827 --> 00:18:48,827 The referee asks if both fighters are ready. 331 00:18:48,931 --> 00:18:50,310 I want you guys to have a clean fight. 332 00:18:50,413 --> 00:18:52,000 Follow my orders at all times. 333 00:18:52,103 --> 00:18:54,482 TRIGG: Now you are amped up. This is about to happen. 334 00:18:54,586 --> 00:18:56,206 The fight is getting ready to go. 335 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,655 You're so invested in this guy that when he's fighting, 336 00:19:00,758 --> 00:19:03,482 you feel like it's actually happening to you. 337 00:19:03,586 --> 00:19:05,206 This is an assault on you and your person 338 00:19:05,310 --> 00:19:07,068 when this is happening, so this is why the crowd 339 00:19:07,172 --> 00:19:09,413 gets so into it, because they follow the hype. 340 00:19:09,517 --> 00:19:12,689 And the ritual portion of that happens every single time. 341 00:19:12,793 --> 00:19:15,206 [horn honks] 342 00:19:15,310 --> 00:19:16,620 SHATNER: Las Vegas, Nevada. 343 00:19:16,724 --> 00:19:19,275 October 6, 2018. 344 00:19:19,379 --> 00:19:23,275 Mixed martial arts fighters Khabib Nurmagomedov 345 00:19:23,379 --> 00:19:25,620 and Conor McGregor face off in what is touted 346 00:19:25,724 --> 00:19:28,000 as the bout of the year. 347 00:19:28,103 --> 00:19:31,206 20,000 fans watch as Khabib locks Conor 348 00:19:31,310 --> 00:19:34,655 in a brutal chokehold and emerges victorious, 349 00:19:34,758 --> 00:19:37,310 retaining the title of lightweight champ. 350 00:19:37,413 --> 00:19:40,931 But before the closing ceremony, Khabib gets enraged 351 00:19:41,034 --> 00:19:42,862 by the endless barrage of trash talk 352 00:19:42,965 --> 00:19:44,896 from his opponent's entourage. 353 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,000 That's when the real fight begins. 354 00:19:52,413 --> 00:19:55,068 WHITEHEAD: Khabib Nurmagomedov jumps up on the cage, 355 00:19:55,172 --> 00:19:56,793 jumps into the crowd 356 00:19:56,896 --> 00:19:59,448 and starts fighting with Conor McGregor's corner. 357 00:19:59,551 --> 00:20:00,965 TRIGG: Most fights have a closure. 358 00:20:01,068 --> 00:20:02,758 You have a winner, you have a closing ceremony. 359 00:20:02,862 --> 00:20:04,344 None of that happened. 360 00:20:04,448 --> 00:20:07,000 It all got stopped because the fight broke out. 361 00:20:07,103 --> 00:20:08,827 There's no closure. The fight's not over, like, 362 00:20:08,931 --> 00:20:10,965 now they get to go out in the streets, 363 00:20:11,068 --> 00:20:12,689 and everyone's been drinking all night, and so you add alcohol, 364 00:20:12,793 --> 00:20:15,103 you add testosterone, you add a blood sport... 365 00:20:15,206 --> 00:20:16,758 So people started fighting out in the streets. 366 00:20:16,862 --> 00:20:18,103 And in that kind of situation, 367 00:20:18,206 --> 00:20:19,482 those kind of things are gonna happen. 368 00:20:19,586 --> 00:20:23,034 [birds chirping] 369 00:20:23,137 --> 00:20:26,000 WHITEHEAD: If you go to an ice-skating competition or a tennis match, 370 00:20:26,103 --> 00:20:27,620 you rarely hear about people breaking out 371 00:20:27,724 --> 00:20:29,206 into fistfights in the crowd. 372 00:20:29,310 --> 00:20:31,965 So when we look at what happened in Las Vegas, 373 00:20:32,068 --> 00:20:34,758 could it be that there's something about the act 374 00:20:34,862 --> 00:20:37,655 of watching violent blood sports 375 00:20:37,758 --> 00:20:41,655 that brings us into some kind of ritual in a way? 376 00:20:41,758 --> 00:20:44,310 TRIGG: Everybody wants to see 377 00:20:44,413 --> 00:20:46,793 the most violent thing that can happen to somebody. 378 00:20:46,896 --> 00:20:51,206 Everybody cheers for the knockout. 379 00:20:51,310 --> 00:20:53,241 They don't even realize that they're there for the violence. 380 00:20:53,344 --> 00:20:55,137 The don't understand why they're actually there 381 00:20:55,241 --> 00:20:57,344 to watch this fight until the knockout happens. 382 00:20:57,448 --> 00:21:00,034 We love watching violence when it's happening to somebody else. 383 00:21:00,137 --> 00:21:03,413 And we've been doing it since the gladiator times. 384 00:21:06,586 --> 00:21:07,965 JENNINGS: Ancient Romans also loved 385 00:21:08,068 --> 00:21:10,241 fighting sports, and gladiator events 386 00:21:10,344 --> 00:21:13,034 were unique in that it wasn't trained, 387 00:21:13,137 --> 00:21:15,689 skilled athletes fighting against each other, 388 00:21:15,793 --> 00:21:18,241 but it was often people who had 389 00:21:18,344 --> 00:21:22,655 committed a crime that made them eligible for the death penalty. 390 00:21:22,758 --> 00:21:24,068 And the death penalty in this case 391 00:21:24,172 --> 00:21:27,482 was fighting against a gladiator in the Colosseum. 392 00:21:27,586 --> 00:21:31,620 The Colosseum could fit up to 50,000 people, and they went 393 00:21:31,724 --> 00:21:35,689 for the pleasure, the cathartic experience 394 00:21:35,793 --> 00:21:37,931 of watching humans being killed. 395 00:21:38,034 --> 00:21:40,551 WHITEHEAD: We think of this life-or-death 396 00:21:40,655 --> 00:21:43,965 type of sport as being something that's only in the ancient past, 397 00:21:44,068 --> 00:21:46,000 but there is still a sport 398 00:21:46,103 --> 00:21:47,862 where life and death is involved, 399 00:21:47,965 --> 00:21:49,931 and this would be the sport of bullfighting. 400 00:21:50,034 --> 00:21:52,931 [Spanish music playing] 401 00:21:53,034 --> 00:21:55,965 XIMENEZ: Bullfighting in Spain is not only a tradition 402 00:21:56,068 --> 00:21:58,000 or a show, 403 00:21:58,103 --> 00:22:00,310 it's, uh, actually part of the culture, 404 00:22:00,413 --> 00:22:01,965 and it's the last part in which 405 00:22:02,068 --> 00:22:05,862 a very, very strict, uh, dance happens around the bull, 406 00:22:05,965 --> 00:22:08,034 and this man, this matador, 407 00:22:08,137 --> 00:22:12,137 actually is risking his life in front of you. 408 00:22:12,241 --> 00:22:14,034 THOMPSON: The danger and the bloodiness is a part of it. 409 00:22:14,137 --> 00:22:16,724 If the matador wins, the bull bleeds to death 410 00:22:16,827 --> 00:22:18,310 in front of the spectators. 411 00:22:18,413 --> 00:22:22,034 Now, of course if the bull wins, uh, the-the matador gets gored. 412 00:22:22,137 --> 00:22:25,517 XIMENEZ: In 2016, everybody was reminded 413 00:22:25,620 --> 00:22:27,241 about how dangerous bullfighting is 414 00:22:27,344 --> 00:22:30,137 when Víctor Barrio got gored to death by a bull 415 00:22:30,241 --> 00:22:32,344 in the middle of a bullfighting season. 416 00:22:32,448 --> 00:22:36,965 This was just another bullfighting festival. 417 00:22:37,068 --> 00:22:40,344 Uh, one of the hundreds that are in Spain in the summer. 418 00:22:40,448 --> 00:22:43,689 And Víctor Barrio was a experienced matador, 419 00:22:43,793 --> 00:22:47,931 and he was gored to death right there. 420 00:22:48,034 --> 00:22:51,206 It was a shocking event for the nation. 421 00:22:51,310 --> 00:22:54,482 It was a-a reminder of how dangerous this practice is. 422 00:22:54,586 --> 00:22:57,482 The possibility 423 00:22:57,586 --> 00:22:59,758 of a man dying before your eyes, 424 00:22:59,862 --> 00:23:02,310 it adds a layer of thrill to it. 425 00:23:02,413 --> 00:23:03,379 It's undeniable 426 00:23:03,482 --> 00:23:05,000 that it's just part of the attraction. 427 00:23:05,103 --> 00:23:07,862 Think of it as rodeos. Think of it as 428 00:23:07,965 --> 00:23:10,379 NASCAR races. They have a layer of danger, 429 00:23:10,482 --> 00:23:12,103 of live danger. 430 00:23:14,034 --> 00:23:15,551 WHITEHEAD: It's not just 431 00:23:15,655 --> 00:23:19,689 witnessing winning and losing and some friendly competition. 432 00:23:19,793 --> 00:23:21,517 This takes it to the next level. 433 00:23:21,620 --> 00:23:26,310 And the question is, what is it about human nature 434 00:23:26,413 --> 00:23:29,896 that would have thousands of people wanting to gather 435 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,689 in some Colosseum or some modern stadium 436 00:23:32,793 --> 00:23:37,344 to watch this ritualistic form of combat, 437 00:23:37,448 --> 00:23:39,206 and why they would actually want to be involved 438 00:23:39,310 --> 00:23:41,379 in witnessing a ritualized form of death? 439 00:23:41,482 --> 00:23:45,103 TRIGG: It's really interesting to watch the fans. 440 00:23:45,206 --> 00:23:47,482 People actually get to a space where 441 00:23:47,586 --> 00:23:49,724 they lose social graces. 442 00:23:49,827 --> 00:23:51,620 They kind of lose themselves in the event, 443 00:23:51,724 --> 00:23:54,551 which is why going to a live event is so important 444 00:23:54,655 --> 00:23:56,275 for somebody that loves MMA. 445 00:23:56,379 --> 00:23:58,310 You'll see normal guys, and it could be 446 00:23:58,413 --> 00:23:59,689 even someone that you know personally. 447 00:23:59,793 --> 00:24:01,586 "Oh, he's a great guy. He's a Christian. 448 00:24:01,689 --> 00:24:04,137 He's a super family man, doesn't swear, hardly ever drinks," 449 00:24:04,241 --> 00:24:06,206 but he gets to the fight and he is cursing and swearing 450 00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:07,896 and throwing stuff down at everybody. 451 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,379 You're like, "What? What happened? 452 00:24:09,482 --> 00:24:11,448 Oh, he's... That's his guy. That's his fighter." 453 00:24:15,206 --> 00:24:17,620 SHATNER: When we watch two men fight each other 454 00:24:17,724 --> 00:24:19,103 for sport, or watch a matador 455 00:24:19,206 --> 00:24:22,000 stare down a raging bull, 456 00:24:22,103 --> 00:24:25,103 is there a "spark of violence" 457 00:24:25,206 --> 00:24:27,137 that gets unleashed within all of us? 458 00:24:27,241 --> 00:24:32,034 A streak of barbarism that becomes somehow satisfied 459 00:24:32,137 --> 00:24:36,206 by what is, in effect, a ritual form of brutality? 460 00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:39,379 Perhaps the answer can be found by examining 461 00:24:39,482 --> 00:24:42,275 another ancient ritual, 462 00:24:42,379 --> 00:24:45,862 one designed to cure, not just a diseased body... 463 00:24:45,965 --> 00:24:49,344 - [thunder crashing] - ...but a diseased soul 464 00:24:49,448 --> 00:24:51,482 - by casting out... - [screaming] 465 00:24:51,586 --> 00:24:53,137 ...the Devil himself. 466 00:24:57,482 --> 00:24:59,275 SHATNER: Gary, Indiana. 467 00:24:59,379 --> 00:25:01,517 April 2012. 468 00:25:01,620 --> 00:25:03,862 Father Michael Maginot, 469 00:25:03,965 --> 00:25:06,448 the pastor of Saint Stephen, Martyr Catholic Church, 470 00:25:06,551 --> 00:25:10,103 meets with Latoya Ammons in her home. 471 00:25:10,206 --> 00:25:13,965 But this is not a common pastoral house call 472 00:25:14,068 --> 00:25:18,275 because Father Mike, as he is known by his parishioners, 473 00:25:18,379 --> 00:25:20,137 is also an exorcist, 474 00:25:20,241 --> 00:25:22,793 and he has been asked 475 00:25:22,896 --> 00:25:26,241 to rid this home of a demon. 476 00:25:28,034 --> 00:25:31,482 Latoya moved into this particular house 477 00:25:31,586 --> 00:25:35,448 in Gary in November of 2011. 478 00:25:35,551 --> 00:25:39,172 She was the mother of three children. 479 00:25:39,275 --> 00:25:41,896 And once the family moved in, 480 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,172 they were noticing all kinds of phenomena 481 00:25:44,275 --> 00:25:46,000 happening in the house. 482 00:25:47,206 --> 00:25:48,655 Flies were swarming 483 00:25:48,758 --> 00:25:51,241 in the middle of winter. 484 00:25:51,344 --> 00:25:53,689 [pounding] 485 00:25:53,793 --> 00:25:56,034 They would hear noises through the house. 486 00:25:56,137 --> 00:25:59,965 - [creaking] - Footsteps coming up the stairs 487 00:26:00,068 --> 00:26:03,206 from the basement. 488 00:26:03,310 --> 00:26:06,103 They would see shadow figures pacing back and forth 489 00:26:06,206 --> 00:26:09,241 in the living room and turn on the light 490 00:26:09,344 --> 00:26:12,241 and see muddy footprints 491 00:26:12,344 --> 00:26:14,275 left on the floor. 492 00:26:15,793 --> 00:26:18,655 Her children, uh, were also exhibiting 493 00:26:18,758 --> 00:26:20,448 some really odd behavior. 494 00:26:20,551 --> 00:26:21,931 [indistinct whispering] 495 00:26:22,034 --> 00:26:24,724 One of the boys was seen talking to an imaginary friend 496 00:26:24,827 --> 00:26:28,413 that resided somewhere within the house. 497 00:26:28,517 --> 00:26:33,448 And reports also suggest that the daughter was seen levitating 498 00:26:33,551 --> 00:26:35,344 several feet above her bed at night. 499 00:26:38,620 --> 00:26:41,758 MAGINOT: And so, Latoya was convinced 500 00:26:41,862 --> 00:26:45,655 something beyond explanation was happening to her family, 501 00:26:45,758 --> 00:26:47,758 but no one would really believe her. 502 00:26:47,862 --> 00:26:51,931 During that time, the children, they were getting sick. 503 00:26:52,034 --> 00:26:54,827 And then Child Protective Services 504 00:26:54,931 --> 00:26:58,068 were getting reports that they were missing a lot of school, 505 00:26:58,172 --> 00:27:02,758 so they actually were investigating, um, Latoya. 506 00:27:02,862 --> 00:27:07,172 She was saying that it was demonic possession, 507 00:27:07,275 --> 00:27:10,482 and so they were giving her psychiatric examinations, 508 00:27:10,586 --> 00:27:15,793 but they couldn't find any psychological illness with her. 509 00:27:15,896 --> 00:27:18,103 SHATNER: Not only did the authorities fail to find 510 00:27:18,206 --> 00:27:21,620 any trace of mental illness in Latoya's behavior, 511 00:27:21,724 --> 00:27:25,655 or any inconsistencies in her story, 512 00:27:25,758 --> 00:27:28,862 they also witnessed an event involving her son 513 00:27:28,965 --> 00:27:31,103 that made them realize that something 514 00:27:31,206 --> 00:27:33,448 really was happening to this family, 515 00:27:33,551 --> 00:27:36,206 something unexplained. 516 00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:40,172 During the family's psychiatric evaluations, 517 00:27:40,275 --> 00:27:44,965 the youngest child began rolling eyes in the back of his head, 518 00:27:45,068 --> 00:27:47,413 growling. 519 00:27:47,517 --> 00:27:52,206 And then the case worker, as well as several members 520 00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:57,000 of hospital staff, witnessed the boy walk backwards up a wall. 521 00:27:59,620 --> 00:28:03,551 MAGINOT: When they witnessed the boy walk up the wall backwards, 522 00:28:03,655 --> 00:28:04,862 yeah, they were believers. 523 00:28:04,965 --> 00:28:07,896 They knew there was no explanation for that. 524 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,931 And so, I got called to investigate this case 525 00:28:12,034 --> 00:28:14,482 by the hospital chaplain, 526 00:28:14,586 --> 00:28:16,758 and I went to visit Latoya. 527 00:28:16,862 --> 00:28:18,758 It was a four-hour interview, 528 00:28:18,862 --> 00:28:21,793 and it was in the midst of that 529 00:28:21,896 --> 00:28:24,103 that I placed the crucifix 530 00:28:24,206 --> 00:28:28,965 on her forehead and she began to convulse. 531 00:28:29,068 --> 00:28:31,344 Then I took it off and she stopped convulsing. 532 00:28:31,448 --> 00:28:35,724 And that's one of the main things that fits 533 00:28:35,827 --> 00:28:38,137 the signs of demonic possession. 534 00:28:38,241 --> 00:28:41,793 After considering the evidence, 535 00:28:41,896 --> 00:28:44,862 I was convinced that the only way to get rid of it 536 00:28:44,965 --> 00:28:47,896 was a church-sanctioned exorcism. 537 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,000 And so I reported that, uh, to the bishop 538 00:28:52,103 --> 00:28:53,724 and he gave permission. 539 00:28:53,827 --> 00:28:59,068 An exorcism is a ritual, a spiritual battle, 540 00:28:59,172 --> 00:29:03,862 and so you need to somehow upset the demon. 541 00:29:03,965 --> 00:29:06,551 One of the instruments that I would use 542 00:29:06,655 --> 00:29:08,068 would be a blessed crucifix 543 00:29:08,172 --> 00:29:10,758 to put on the person's forehead. 544 00:29:10,862 --> 00:29:14,724 A second thing is sprinkling holy water. 545 00:29:14,827 --> 00:29:18,620 There are three sections of the rite 546 00:29:18,724 --> 00:29:20,793 where you're addressing the demon 547 00:29:20,896 --> 00:29:22,965 and a second place where you're addressing God, 548 00:29:23,068 --> 00:29:25,793 and you could do it in English, 549 00:29:25,896 --> 00:29:27,758 or else, you could also do it in Latin. 550 00:29:27,862 --> 00:29:30,448 - [speaking Latin] - In Latoya's case, 551 00:29:30,551 --> 00:29:32,655 when we were addressing the demon in Latin, 552 00:29:32,758 --> 00:29:35,206 Latoya would be convulsing, 553 00:29:35,310 --> 00:29:38,724 but when we were addressing God, she would stop convulsing. 554 00:29:38,827 --> 00:29:40,965 I'm the only one there that knew the Latin, 555 00:29:41,068 --> 00:29:43,482 and-and I found that kind of amazing. 556 00:29:45,241 --> 00:29:48,655 A demonic entity will fight for the territory 557 00:29:48,758 --> 00:29:50,827 that they have gained, 558 00:29:50,931 --> 00:29:53,896 but then, eventually, it starts to lessen. 559 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,965 With Latoya, finally she fell asleep, 560 00:29:57,068 --> 00:30:01,034 and that was kind of an indication that it left. 561 00:30:01,137 --> 00:30:03,862 Once she got cleared, um, 562 00:30:03,965 --> 00:30:07,448 then the children were also fine after that as well. 563 00:30:07,551 --> 00:30:11,931 SHATNER: What saved Latoya Ammons and her children 564 00:30:12,034 --> 00:30:15,448 from their deep physical and emotional torment? 565 00:30:15,551 --> 00:30:19,068 Was it really the spiritual power of the ritual 566 00:30:19,172 --> 00:30:21,379 that Father Michael performed? 567 00:30:21,482 --> 00:30:25,379 Or was it the psychological or psychosomatic effect 568 00:30:25,482 --> 00:30:31,103 that simply performing a ritual had on Latoya and her family? 569 00:30:31,206 --> 00:30:32,482 Latoya's case is really interesting 570 00:30:32,586 --> 00:30:34,931 because it's a case that actually made national news. 571 00:30:35,034 --> 00:30:38,103 Herself and her children were exhibiting symptoms 572 00:30:38,206 --> 00:30:40,413 that could not be explained rationally 573 00:30:40,517 --> 00:30:43,068 by modern medical science, but in the end, 574 00:30:43,172 --> 00:30:44,896 after all of their attempts, 575 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,896 it was the exorcism itself 576 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,103 that actually produced the positive effect. 577 00:30:49,206 --> 00:30:52,034 We have evidence of exorcism rituals 578 00:30:52,137 --> 00:30:55,758 dating back 3,000 years ago in ancient Babylon. 579 00:30:55,862 --> 00:30:57,137 [shouting incoherently] 580 00:30:57,241 --> 00:30:59,137 CHAVEZ: To those that say that exorcism 581 00:30:59,241 --> 00:31:02,172 shouldn't exist in modern society, 582 00:31:02,275 --> 00:31:06,241 they really need to appreciate just how successful 583 00:31:06,344 --> 00:31:10,724 exorcism can be as a ritual, how it's able to help people. 584 00:31:10,827 --> 00:31:13,689 TZADOK: Exorcisms are not just performed by one religion 585 00:31:13,793 --> 00:31:16,620 or another, they're performed by all the different religions. 586 00:31:16,724 --> 00:31:19,137 It happens everywhere because we're dealing with 587 00:31:19,241 --> 00:31:22,034 the commonality of human souls. 588 00:31:22,137 --> 00:31:26,137 We recognize that the nature of a possession 589 00:31:26,241 --> 00:31:31,379 is an earthbound soul which is unable to 590 00:31:31,482 --> 00:31:35,517 or afraid to move forward in its spiritual progression. 591 00:31:35,620 --> 00:31:41,344 And we perform rituals because the nature of ritual 592 00:31:41,448 --> 00:31:44,827 is being an expression of inner psychological 593 00:31:44,931 --> 00:31:47,068 ideas and beliefs. 594 00:31:47,172 --> 00:31:52,000 And therefore, as such, exorcisms become 595 00:31:52,103 --> 00:31:54,379 a required practice. 596 00:31:54,482 --> 00:31:56,137 [growling] 597 00:31:59,448 --> 00:32:03,275 Can ritual really be used to fight off evil spirits? 598 00:32:03,379 --> 00:32:07,137 You may say that notion sounds too outlandish to even consider, 599 00:32:07,241 --> 00:32:09,379 until you realize that, at one time or another, 600 00:32:09,482 --> 00:32:11,655 even you... 601 00:32:11,758 --> 00:32:14,655 have probably used a ritual to connect with a higher power. 602 00:32:14,758 --> 00:32:16,172 It's called prayer. 603 00:32:16,275 --> 00:32:18,172 And there are billions of people all over the world 604 00:32:18,275 --> 00:32:21,724 who believe that prayer 605 00:32:21,827 --> 00:32:25,137 is the most powerful ritual of all. 606 00:32:31,310 --> 00:32:32,517 SHATNER: Israel. 607 00:32:32,620 --> 00:32:34,758 January 2018. 608 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,689 Here, in what is known as the Holy Land, 609 00:32:39,793 --> 00:32:44,000 the average temperature is almost 90 degrees Fahrenheit, 610 00:32:44,103 --> 00:32:48,793 and water is a precious commodity. 611 00:32:48,896 --> 00:32:51,379 But this is no average year. 612 00:32:54,965 --> 00:32:56,724 It's been almost five years 613 00:32:56,827 --> 00:32:59,034 since more than a few drops of rain 614 00:32:59,137 --> 00:33:02,413 fell upon Israel's thirsty sands, 615 00:33:02,517 --> 00:33:06,586 and the people are beginning to panic. 616 00:33:06,689 --> 00:33:09,517 TZADOK: The spring season in the Middle East 617 00:33:09,620 --> 00:33:13,068 is the time for the rains to come. 618 00:33:13,172 --> 00:33:16,241 As such, if the rains are not there, 619 00:33:16,344 --> 00:33:17,689 you don't have your agriculture, 620 00:33:17,793 --> 00:33:21,344 which is a life-and-death type of experience. 621 00:33:21,448 --> 00:33:22,482 Even in modern times, 622 00:33:22,586 --> 00:33:24,551 with all of our modern technology, 623 00:33:24,655 --> 00:33:26,793 rain makes the crops grow. 624 00:33:26,896 --> 00:33:29,551 No crops, no food; no food, no life. 625 00:33:29,655 --> 00:33:32,586 So when we have a drought, 626 00:33:32,689 --> 00:33:34,931 this creates crisis. 627 00:33:37,172 --> 00:33:39,172 SHATNER: Israel is one of the wealthiest 628 00:33:39,275 --> 00:33:42,551 and most technologically advanced countries in the world. 629 00:33:42,655 --> 00:33:46,931 It is also one of the most religious. 630 00:33:47,034 --> 00:33:51,517 So when facing its worst drought in close to 100 years, 631 00:33:51,620 --> 00:33:55,310 with the fate of the entire country hanging in the balance, 632 00:33:55,413 --> 00:33:57,793 what is their solution? 633 00:33:57,896 --> 00:34:01,482 - [praying in foreign language] - Prayer. 634 00:34:01,586 --> 00:34:03,827 TZADOK: In our Judaic tradition, 635 00:34:03,931 --> 00:34:06,931 we have had a long-standing history 636 00:34:07,034 --> 00:34:08,827 that when there is drought, 637 00:34:08,931 --> 00:34:10,827 the chief rabbi of the country 638 00:34:10,931 --> 00:34:14,551 can call the entire nation to prayer. 639 00:34:14,655 --> 00:34:17,482 And you can have a gathering in Jerusalem 640 00:34:17,586 --> 00:34:21,448 of literally thousands or tens of thousands of minds, 641 00:34:21,551 --> 00:34:23,586 souls, that will come together 642 00:34:23,689 --> 00:34:28,034 and pour out their collective energy, 643 00:34:28,137 --> 00:34:33,448 calling upon God in heaven to literally manipulate 644 00:34:33,551 --> 00:34:37,344 the forces of nature and bring rain. 645 00:34:40,172 --> 00:34:44,206 THOMPSON: In 2018, Israel was in a major drought, 646 00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:46,068 and this was really beginning to cause problems. 647 00:34:46,172 --> 00:34:49,482 At this point, uh, Chief Rabbi David Lau 648 00:34:49,586 --> 00:34:52,000 organized a massive ritual, 649 00:34:52,103 --> 00:34:54,724 put out a call for believers to come 650 00:34:54,827 --> 00:34:57,689 to one of the most sacred sites in Judaism, 651 00:34:57,793 --> 00:35:02,034 - the Wailing Wall. - [praying in foreign language] 652 00:35:02,137 --> 00:35:03,551 They went to the Wailing Wall, 653 00:35:03,655 --> 00:35:06,862 and you had thousands of Jews praying for rain to come. 654 00:35:06,965 --> 00:35:09,965 [praying continues] 655 00:35:10,068 --> 00:35:12,000 TZADOK: When the individual Torah-observant 656 00:35:12,103 --> 00:35:17,689 Jewish man wraps himself in his tallit prayer shawl 657 00:35:17,793 --> 00:35:21,413 and puts on the boxes of the tefillin, 658 00:35:21,517 --> 00:35:28,000 he creates for himself a psychic bubble of energy, 659 00:35:28,103 --> 00:35:32,103 which unites the individual mind and heart 660 00:35:32,206 --> 00:35:36,931 with the collective power of the word of God, 661 00:35:37,034 --> 00:35:40,034 literally materialized before him in the form 662 00:35:40,137 --> 00:35:41,724 of the fringes of the prayer shawl, 663 00:35:41,827 --> 00:35:45,827 and literally in the form of the scrolls 664 00:35:45,931 --> 00:35:47,862 that are upon his arm next to his heart 665 00:35:47,965 --> 00:35:50,482 and on his head, close to his mind. 666 00:35:52,655 --> 00:35:56,827 SHATNER: It is one thing for us to believe the ritual of prayer 667 00:35:56,931 --> 00:35:59,724 has the ability to affect our world. 668 00:35:59,827 --> 00:36:02,965 But can the act of praying actually 669 00:36:03,068 --> 00:36:07,206 connect us to a higher power? 670 00:36:07,310 --> 00:36:11,000 A ritual is a very predictable sequence of, of events. 671 00:36:23,103 --> 00:36:25,655 But the interesting thing is, if you have two things, 672 00:36:25,758 --> 00:36:27,000 you have a boundary between them. 673 00:36:27,103 --> 00:36:30,137 And prayer and prayer rituals might be a way 674 00:36:30,241 --> 00:36:32,931 of influencing that boundary between the physical 675 00:36:33,034 --> 00:36:36,068 and the nonphysical in a way that the nonphysical 676 00:36:36,172 --> 00:36:38,482 then interacts again with the physical world. 677 00:36:41,344 --> 00:36:44,172 SHATNER: To those more secular and cynical-minded, 678 00:36:44,275 --> 00:36:48,827 praying is a rather quaint, if not irrelevant pastime. 679 00:36:48,931 --> 00:36:52,482 There's no reason it should work, right? 680 00:36:54,517 --> 00:36:56,965 - [praying in foreign language] - Except that in the case 681 00:36:57,068 --> 00:36:59,931 of ending Israel's drought in 2018, 682 00:37:00,034 --> 00:37:04,068 many believe it did. 683 00:37:04,172 --> 00:37:08,172 - [praying continues] - [thunder rumbling] 684 00:37:20,413 --> 00:37:21,620 [thunder crashing] 685 00:37:27,517 --> 00:37:30,310 AMIR HUSSAIN: You can say that it's just simply correlation-- 686 00:37:30,413 --> 00:37:33,758 yes, you prayed and yes, three days later there was rain, 687 00:37:33,862 --> 00:37:35,206 but the one thing didn't cause the other. 688 00:37:35,310 --> 00:37:38,206 I mean, that's the scientific approach. 689 00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:39,655 The religious approach is a little bit different 690 00:37:39,758 --> 00:37:42,689 to say, well, maybe we did, maybe we did influence this, 691 00:37:42,793 --> 00:37:46,137 maybe God listened to these prayers. 692 00:37:48,206 --> 00:37:51,758 [men singing, clapping] 693 00:37:51,862 --> 00:37:55,689 TZADOK: In Judaism, there are rituals that augment the power 694 00:37:55,793 --> 00:37:57,827 of the individual-- 695 00:37:57,931 --> 00:38:02,137 the passion, the desire, the thought, the idea, 696 00:38:02,241 --> 00:38:06,206 creating, if you will, a psychic field, 697 00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:11,103 which combines to give great psychic spiritual energy 698 00:38:11,206 --> 00:38:15,482 for the fulfillment of that which the individuals seek. 699 00:38:15,586 --> 00:38:19,586 But when we come together as a collective, 700 00:38:19,689 --> 00:38:24,275 we find that it does have the power to influence change. 701 00:38:24,379 --> 00:38:28,586 They prayed for rain. And the prayers were answered. 702 00:38:28,689 --> 00:38:32,931 [praying in foreign language] 703 00:38:33,034 --> 00:38:36,034 SHATNER: Of course, there's always the chance that it wasn't prayer, 704 00:38:36,137 --> 00:38:39,931 but coincidence that saved the Israeli people. 705 00:38:40,034 --> 00:38:42,137 The drought would have ended at some point. 706 00:38:42,241 --> 00:38:46,241 But then, why take chances? 707 00:38:46,344 --> 00:38:48,551 Perhaps the faithful know something 708 00:38:48,655 --> 00:38:51,344 that nonbelievers don't. 709 00:38:51,448 --> 00:38:54,034 And this could also help to explain the rituals 710 00:38:54,137 --> 00:38:57,068 associated with the event that, for all of us, 711 00:38:57,172 --> 00:39:00,758 really is the final frontier... 712 00:39:02,034 --> 00:39:04,172 ...death. 713 00:39:07,931 --> 00:39:09,379 SHATNER: Indonesia. 714 00:39:09,482 --> 00:39:12,586 High in the mountains of the island of Sulawesi, 715 00:39:12,689 --> 00:39:17,344 the residents of a small Torajan village gather for a funeral. 716 00:39:17,448 --> 00:39:20,344 But are funeral rites a sign 717 00:39:20,448 --> 00:39:24,931 that mankind has difficulty in accepting the finality of death? 718 00:39:25,034 --> 00:39:29,344 Or is it because our subconscious minds 719 00:39:29,448 --> 00:39:33,793 know that death is not really an end, but a beginning? 720 00:39:33,896 --> 00:39:35,931 THOMPSON: Every culture in the world 721 00:39:36,034 --> 00:39:38,827 has some sort of death ritual, and studying those will tell you 722 00:39:38,931 --> 00:39:40,620 a lot about what those people think 723 00:39:40,724 --> 00:39:44,655 of the afterlife, about the soul, about society. 724 00:39:44,758 --> 00:39:48,655 So, in the Toraja communities, when somebody dies, 725 00:39:48,758 --> 00:39:51,896 they preserve the corpse so it doesn't rot, and then 726 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,034 they treat it as if it were alive. 727 00:39:54,137 --> 00:39:58,068 Even the term they use for a recently deceased person 728 00:39:58,172 --> 00:40:01,103 in this state is, actually, means sick, 729 00:40:01,206 --> 00:40:03,827 so they don't acknowledge that the person has really died yet. 730 00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:15,034 They will talk to them, they will fill them in, 731 00:40:15,137 --> 00:40:16,758 in what's happening in the world... 732 00:40:18,827 --> 00:40:20,827 WHITEHEAD: They do mock dancing sessions 733 00:40:20,931 --> 00:40:23,413 with them, they parade them around. 734 00:40:23,517 --> 00:40:26,517 It's as if they're trying to stay in touch with the dead 735 00:40:26,620 --> 00:40:29,482 or, or somehow relate to the dead. 736 00:40:29,586 --> 00:40:32,137 THOMPSON: What is the relationship 737 00:40:32,241 --> 00:40:35,103 between your body and your soul and what happens at death? 738 00:40:35,206 --> 00:40:37,137 These are the elemental questions 739 00:40:37,241 --> 00:40:40,034 that studying different funerary traditions can tell us. 740 00:40:40,137 --> 00:40:43,413 So, all these different traditions seem 741 00:40:43,517 --> 00:40:45,793 very, very focused 742 00:40:45,896 --> 00:40:48,034 on maintaining strong links with the dead. 743 00:40:48,137 --> 00:40:50,724 Some cultures, like, for example, Indonesia, 744 00:40:50,827 --> 00:40:53,034 you may do things with the body 745 00:40:53,137 --> 00:40:56,379 that to us may seem very strange. 746 00:40:56,482 --> 00:40:58,965 But it's no different than a funeral, where the person 747 00:40:59,068 --> 00:41:02,241 has been dead for ten days, and the mortician 748 00:41:02,344 --> 00:41:06,137 makes them look like they're alive and they're just sleeping. 749 00:41:06,241 --> 00:41:09,137 There's this amazing connection that we have for the deceased. 750 00:41:09,241 --> 00:41:13,655 I can never call up my best friend again who passed away, 751 00:41:13,758 --> 00:41:15,689 but I'm still in connection with that person. 752 00:41:15,793 --> 00:41:17,931 I still think about that person. 753 00:41:18,034 --> 00:41:19,689 Sometimes I still talk to them. 754 00:41:19,793 --> 00:41:23,068 And I think these rituals help us to understand 755 00:41:23,172 --> 00:41:26,344 that we're still informed by these people. 756 00:41:26,448 --> 00:41:29,275 We're still in relationship with those who have passed. 757 00:41:29,379 --> 00:41:32,517 It's just a different kind of relationship. 758 00:41:34,758 --> 00:41:39,068 So, do rituals really work? 759 00:41:39,172 --> 00:41:40,620 Well, many of us certainly believe they do, 760 00:41:40,724 --> 00:41:42,965 even if we don't know how. 761 00:41:43,068 --> 00:41:46,310 Whether it's to acquire superhuman abilities 762 00:41:46,413 --> 00:41:51,000 or to ward off evil, rituals help to connect us 763 00:41:51,103 --> 00:41:54,448 to a world very different from our own. 764 00:41:54,551 --> 00:41:57,862 It's a world of the spiritual. 765 00:41:57,965 --> 00:42:03,103 It's a world of the supernatural. 766 00:42:03,206 --> 00:42:05,586 It's a world of The UnXplained. 61529

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