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Police are huntinga mass murderer believed
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to have killed as many as 21 prostitutes.
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[reporter 2]
Police have been trying to find
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a man they callthe Green River Killer.
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We knew that we, at that time,had a serial murderer on our hands.
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In the late '80s, there was
a new breed of serial killer.
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[reporter] It wasn't until last March
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that investigators began linking the cases
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as the so-called Happy Face Killer.
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These were killers
that were more sophisticated.
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They were contacting the media.
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The man who calls himself
the BTK Killer...
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{\an8}[reporter]
Letters claiming responsibility
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{\an8}were sent by a manwho referred to himself
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{\an8}by the initials BTK.
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We were looking at males and females
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that might be murdered, and children.
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They're not killing for the same reasons
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that the early serial killers
that we studied were.
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[phone ringing]
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Behavioral Science, Ressler.
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[phone ringing]
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[Dr. Ann Burgess] The word got outthat we were doing profiling.
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We were just besieged with cases.
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Approximately 300-a-year profile requests
are coming in now.
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They are coming in faster
than we really can manage it.
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We were somewhat limited
'cause we didn't have a lot of profilers.
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I think the numbers are getting
a little out of control.
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We turn a lot of them away.
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[reporter] A string of disappearances,rapes, and murders...
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[indistinct news reports overlapping]
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[Dr. Burgess]
Cases weren't being looked at.
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They were just being put on a shelf.
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It's so dangerous.I mean, these are people that are killing.
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We should be doing a better job.
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[phone ringing]
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[♪ ominous music plays]
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- [indistinct chatter]
- [phones ringing]
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[Steven Constantine] In the late '80s,
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one of the things that the team realized
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was that, to a degree,they had built profiling for themselves.
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[♪ gentle music playing]
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Dr. Burgess wantedto advance profiling
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{\an8}so that it could be this tool
that was really applicable
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{\an8}to law enforcement as a whole.
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European attendees asking
for additional information...
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[Dr. Burgess] We wanted to trainlaw enforcement to use this tool.
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[♪ intense music playing]
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We had to publish.
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With Ann's input,
I can see a publication taking place here
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that would be used
within law enforcement circles.
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[Dr. Burgess] I hoped this researchwould make a difference.
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[killer] The obsessions, the fantasies.
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[Ed Kemper] I would not allow myselfto walk into even a potential trap.
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{\an8}[Ted Bundy] I keep craving somethingwhich is harder and harder.
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[Robert Ressler]
The organized, disorganized...
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Two separate personality types.
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[Montie Rissell]
Somebody wants somebody bad enough,
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it's nearly impossible to prevent it.
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[Dr. Burgess] To try to chunk downthat whole process
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by studying the people that are doing it.
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[Ressler] The classification basedon what they did at the scene,
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more likely to live alone,live near the scene of the crime.
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[John Douglas] You're dealing with a guywho is not your introverted, weird loner.
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[FBI analyst] A good numberof these individuals are
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in the bright, very superior group.
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[indistinct overlapping chatter]
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[♪ music fades]
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[Dr. Burgess] All of that materialwas published
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in an academic bookcalled Sexual Homicide.
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For me and for the whole team,
it was huge.
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Huge breakthrough.
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We're teaching in courses
all over the country,
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information that has comefrom our efforts thus far.
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The program started to really expand.
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[reporter] There are now 29 known victims
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of the Green River Killer.
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The local police turnedto a special FBI unit
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for help with the case
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{\an8}FBI was notoriously a one-way street.
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{\an8}We don't give you anything.
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And then the BehavioralScience Unit comes along,
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and all of a suddenthey're not only gathering information,
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but they're coming back
to you to help solve crimes.
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{\an8}We have used the Behavioral Sciences Unit
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{\an8}that the FBI has established
at Quantico, Virginia.
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{\an8}It's really a teamwork,
but profiling has become
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{\an8}a key tool for law enforcement.
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[Dr. Burgess] The information helpedlaw enforcement investigate
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these crimes and catch killers.
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[reporter 1] Authorities arrested59-year-old Dennis Rader
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for BTK's eight murders.
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[reporter 2] The arrestof one of the country's
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most prolific serial killers.
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[reporter 3]
Keith Jesperson says he wants
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to make a full confession for his crimes
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as the so-called Happy Face Killer.
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[reporter 4] Green River KillerGary Ridgway confessed
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to killing 48 women.
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I think there's not any doubt, uh,
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that there probably would've been more.
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So, good work by all these agencies.
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[♪ uplifting music playing]
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[Dr. Burgess] For the first time,we had a profiler working
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in almost every state,
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{\an8}and we were clearing more casesthan we ever had before.
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With the help of Ann Burgess,
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we could play the chess game
a little bit better,
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and get him maybe...
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a couple of victims sooner
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than we would have gotten
him in the past.
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[static crackles]
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[♪ tense music playing]
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Robert Resslerhas made a career
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out of tracking and apprehending
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some of our nation'smost violent serial killers.
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He was a consultant on the book
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which was the basis for the movie
Silence of the Lambs.
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What I wanted to ask you
about first was the movie.
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- Did you like it?
- I thought it was a tremendous movie.
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[reporter] In the movie,Douglas was played by actor Scott Glenn.
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- Good morning.
- [Clarice Starling] Morning, Mr. Crawford.
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{\an8}[Constantine] Douglas and Resslerwere quick to write their books,
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{\an8}and they were quickto consult on TV shows
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and to share their story
in whatever ways possible.
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Really to do the job effectively,you really have to...
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[reporter] He inspired TV shows...
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[birds chirping]
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[soft footsteps]
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[Constantine] It was interestingtalking with Ann
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about why her storyhad remained hidden.
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[♪ gentle music playing]
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She didn't really wanna take on
the sort of cultural mystique
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like a bunch of
the other agents had wanted to.
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♪♪
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{\an8}She always had
a behind-the-curtain quality,
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partly because of her own style
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of being not particularly self-promoting.
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Dr. Burgess has been doing this work
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with the BSU for over a decade now,
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and she's starting to rethink
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how she can best continue her pursuit
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of being in service to victims.
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Most of the agents that
I had worked with had retired.
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I wanted to move on.I was ready to move on.
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It just seemed the right thing to do.
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[birds chirping]
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I've gotta feed 'em.
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[turkeys gobbling]
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I felt it was the right time...
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but I didn't knowwhat I was gonna do next.
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I had my own career,
certainly, in nursing,
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so that was all going on.
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As an academic,
I had to be into new areas,
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write grants, get published.
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[Sarah Cailean] She has expressedthat it felt a little like,
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let me step back...
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take a breath,
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{\an8}examine my surroundings
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{\an8}and see in what other way
can I put this work to use.
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[♪ tense music playing]
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[Dr. Burgess] One day,a defense attorney called me
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and asked me if I had heard
about this case
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out of Los Angeles.
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And I had not.
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And so, he tells me
to go down to the local store
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and pick up a copy of People magazine.
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And I said, "Oh,
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this is now gonna be
my reading material on cases?"
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[♪ tense music continues]
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{\an8}I've heard of very few murders
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{\an8}that were more savage than this one was.
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[reporter 1] No signsof a break-in or a burglary.
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Only the bodiesof entertainment executive Jose Menéndez
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and his wife Kittyin the family TV room.
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[reporter 2] Jose Menéndezwas shot five times,
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a fatal wound through the backof the head into the brain.
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His wife Kitty was unrecognizable.
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Four separate shots in the head and face,
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six in her arms, chest, hips, legs.
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[reporter 3] Their sons, Erik and Lyle,said they found the bodies,
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but new evidence ranging from recordsof the family psychologist
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to a movie script about a rich kidwho kills his parents
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now indicates the brothers did it.
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They killed their wealthy parents.
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Lyle and Erik Menéndez
were arraigned yesterday
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on charges they murdered their parents
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to inherit a $14 million estate.
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[Dr. Burgess] It was a high-profile case,
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and I had never donea defense case before.
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The prosecution saying this was
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There had to be something else,
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so I agreed to go out,
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at least to meet with them.
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[plane engine roaring]
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[♪ tense music playing]
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When I met with Erik,that was the first time
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that I was actuallyin the room with a killer.
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♪♪
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I'm looking at somebody
that killed his mother and his father.
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He was likable.
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I mean, we could talk
about sports and tennis
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and, you know, everything
except the crime.
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I needed to know exactly what happened
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and also to understand why they did it.
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I was wondering how he wasgonna be able to talk about it...
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and that's what I decidedto use the drawings,
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because that would give himsomething concrete
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to be able to focus on.
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He wouldn't have
to be looking directly at me
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to talk about the situation.
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We spent a whole day on the drawings.
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This is the very first one
that really gave me an inkling
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of heart of the motive.
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The father looking very large,
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compared to this little teeny Erik.
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Erik wanted to go away to college
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and the father said,
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"You're gonna come home.
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I want you homeduring the week to sleep here."
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It gave me an idea
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That was the startof the week that escalated.
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Something happened
that really set into motion
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that they had no other choice
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but to shotgun their parents.
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[♪ tense music playing]
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Based on the father,a very domineering person,
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I felt there's some abuse issue here.
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It could have been psychological,
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it could have been physical.
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There are a lot of these drawings that
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the father and the sonare in Erik's bedroom,
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which I thought was a very unusual place.
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I used that as a way to say,
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"What are the other kinds
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that went on in the bedroom?"
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You could see how hard it wasfor him to get it out.
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I knew it then, this was sexual abuse,
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which in itself is very difficult,
but also was incest.
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He was somewhat stoicabout it. It happened.
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The two brothers were very bonded,
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very, very caring of each other.
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Erik tells his older brotherabout the sexual assault.
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He told me Lyle was abused early,
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but the father had a preferencefor young boys.
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That's why Erik becamethe next victim.
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The mother... didn't protect her sons.
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The abuse had now been exposed.
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[♪ tense music continues]
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Lyle confronts the father.
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The father was an executive
in the music industry.
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An incest secret coming outwould have ruined Jose,
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no question about it.
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The father was threatening them.
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You could just see them talking about
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how fearful they were then,
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and they felt that the parentswere going to kill them.
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[♪ tense music continues]
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They were frantic.
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They felt it was imminent
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that something was gonna happen to them
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so they had to act Sunday night.
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[♪ melancholic music playing]
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[pencil scratching]
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They killed their parents.
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Absolutely no matterwhat the circumstances are,
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that's still wrong,
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but they certainly were abused.
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I could sympathize with what
they had to put up with.
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[♪ melancholic music playing]
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[ambient nature sounds]
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And so, I decidedto testify for the defense.
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[Constantine] One of the thingsthat people always wonder about too is
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how Ann could start working
for the defense
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when she switched over to trial cases.
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Right off the bat,she was challenged by fellow agents.
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A lot of them said, "Why are youstanding up for the bad guys?"
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John Douglas cameup to her and said,
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"You're makingthe wrong choice."
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[Dr. Burgess]
Agents always testify for prosecution.
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So when he heard
I was gonna be on defense
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on the case that I was on,
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I would say he was not happy.
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[♪ melancholic music playing]
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[Constantine] The Menéndez casecould ruin her reputation.
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People could say, "This womanwho was always for the good guys,
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she's lost her way."
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[Dr. Burgess] To me, it was importantin terms of getting the truth out
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about trauma and abuse.
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♪♪
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[Constantine] This colleagueof hers came up and said,
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"You can't defend these boys.
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"If you do, other boys
might start coming forward
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and talking abouttheir sexual abuse, too."
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And she was like,"Yeah, that's the point."
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This is the right thing to do.
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[♪ music fades]
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[traffic whooshing]
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[indistinct chatter]
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A sensational murder trial
opened today in California.
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The defendants: two brothers.
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The victims: their parents.
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Their defense: self-defense.
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{\an8}[reporter 1] Legally,neither Lyle nor Erik Menéndez
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{\an8}can be found innocent.
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They admit they killed their parents,
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only their motives wereat issue in the trial.
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{\an8}[reporter 2] Jurors will have to decidewhether they were motivated
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{\an8}by fear for their own lives or by greed.
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{\an8}If convicted of involuntary manslaughter,
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they could go free with time served.
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If convicted of first-degree murder,
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it could mean the death penalty.
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[Stanley Weisberg] In the trial
of people versus Erik Menéndez.
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The defense may call its next witness.
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[Leslie Abramson] Thank you, Your Honor.
The defense calls Dr. Ann Burgess.
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[bailiff] You do solemnly swear
that the testimony will be the truth,
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the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth,
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- so help you God?
- I do.
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[bailiff] Please take the stand
and state your name...
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I knew it was gonna be an uphill battle.
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This was not an easy case.
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Ann Wolbert Burgess.
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[Constantine] Before this,there had been defenses built
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around victims, abuse, and fear,
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but it had only been used with wives
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who killed their husbands.
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It had never been usedwith a male victim in the past.
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She knew that it was a long shot.
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[Abramson] After your 50 hours
of the interview with Erik Menéndez,
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did you formulate an opinion
as to whether or not
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he was sexually molested
as a child?
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- Yes, I did.
- [Abramson] And what is that opinion?
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And my opinion was that he was.
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[Abramson] Literature suggests
that it is more difficult,
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particularly for an adolescent boy,
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to admit a same-sex molestation.
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Yes, it's much harder
for an adolescent male. Yes.
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That seems to be related
to the mythology of male sexuality.
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There is this belief that males,
regardless of age,
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are supposed to be able to manage
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and to perhaps even enjoy
any type of sexual activity
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and that they should not complain.
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[Abramson] Dealing with
that last week
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leading up to the shootings,
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have you determined critical factors
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that contributed to the occurrence
of the shootings in this case?
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Yes, I have.
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Erik's father's insistence
that he continue to live at home,
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which Erik understands to mean
that the sexual abuse would continue.
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Erik's disclosure
of his sexual abuse to Lyle.
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Lyle's confrontation with the father,
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prompting the father's threat
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to protect the secret at all costs.
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The father always said one of the things
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that he could do is
just wipe out the family
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and get a new one
and start all over again.
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[Abramson] Now, by wipe out,
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he wasn't talking
about killing them, was he?
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Or was he?
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Well, I don't think that, uh,
that was ever made clear.
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Because the Menéndez trial
has been available live on Court TV,
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millions of Americans have watched it,
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finding a live drama
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every bit as rivetingas any soap opera.
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[reporter] Expert witness claimsthe brothers were
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so traumatized by yearsof alleged abuse,
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it actually changedthe gray matter inside their head.
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That's not my favorite thing to do,
is to go into court,
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because all they wanna do
is discredit you.
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The cross-exam can really be vicious.
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[reporter]
Prosecutor Pam Bozanich implied
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the brain change theorywas about as credible
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as the research of Dr. Frankenstein.
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[Pam Bozanich] Dr. Burgess,
could you tell the jury
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what suggestibility is?
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Suggestibility is a concept
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that says very young children
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in the questioning by therapists
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in some way conduct their interview
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so as to suggest
to the child, uh, a response.
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[Bozanich] Dr. Burgess, do you know
what psychobabble is?
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Well, my reaction to that was,
um, she doesn't get it.
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She's never gonna get it.
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And I really felt thatthere were bullets coming at me,
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not only from the prosecutor,
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but certainly in the public arena.
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That was hard.
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[♪ melancholic music playing]
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[Bozanich] There's no evidencethat supports the abuse excuse.
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All they have are doctorswho listen to their story
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and basically say, "We believe them."
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How was the jury manipulatedin this case?
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It's vigilante defense.
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I'm sympathetic withthe battered women's syndrome
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in the real cases wherethere's no option to leave,
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but when it's extended to apply
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to young, mobile, wealthy menlike the Menéndez brothers,
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raises grave dangersto the liberty of all Americans.
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It'd break me.
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My dad had been molesting me.
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[mocking]
"You see, my father raped me."
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I never believed any of the other tears.
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I think what you're seeing here isa, uh, couple of spoiled brats.
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{\an8}[mock prosecutor] Can you tell the courtwho did murder your parents?
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{\an8}Our other two brothers,
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{\an8}Danny Menéndez and Jose Menéndez Jr.
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{\an8}[TV audience laughing]
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[reporter] Lyle and Erik Menéndez
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have told horrific storiesof parental abuse,
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which makes them either victimsor calculating liars.
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[Constantine] The public had wantedto see the Menéndez brothers
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as cold-blooded killers,
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but in spite of the media pushback,
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Dr. Burgess coming into the courtroom
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and talking about abusehad cracked something open.
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And just as she's donethroughout her entire career,
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the narrative around traumastarted to shift.
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It's a real interesting trial,
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and I, I want them to be acquitted.
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If they were convicted, I'd like to see
what, what their side of the story is.
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[Dr. Burgess] I got a lotof support from other victims,
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people who never had talked
about anything before.
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And so, it certainly gave this segment
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of our population a voice
that I-I felt good about.
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You may find Erik and Lyle Menéndez
to be manipulative.
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You may decide that they are credible
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and that their story
strikes a sympathetic chord.
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You can reach your own verdict about them.
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The court did receive a note this morning
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from the... jury.
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It states, uh,
"We regret to inform the court
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"that we are unable to come
to a unanimous decision
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on any of the three counts."
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[people murmuring]
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[♪ melancholic music playing]
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[sighs]
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We got a hung jury,
which I was pleased with.
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We had at least putenough doubt into the jury.
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{\an8}I believe that they were raised
in an abusive household.
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I don't believe Jose and Kitty
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were planning on killing them
that night at all,
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but I do believe Lyle
and Erik believed that.
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And that's the difference.
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[Constantine] Her testimony hada huge impact on the Menéndez case.
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Going into it, the mediabasically dismissed any chance
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that these brothers hadof being acquitted.
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But the case wasn't over.
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The second trial, I didn't testify
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because the judge would not allowany experts on abuse.
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Well, I-I was shocked.
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[Abramson] It has been hell.
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{\an8}Our whole theory of the defense,
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{\an8}which was a theory of self-defense,
imperfect self-defense,
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{\an8}he refused to instruct on it.
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[Constantine] The jury hadn't been allowedto hear the full truth of this story.
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The impact was huge.
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{\an8}Yesterday, a Los Angeles jury
found the brothers guilty
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{\an8}of first-degree murder
for killing their parents.
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Life without parole.
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{\an8}[♪ somber music playing]
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I felt sad for them.
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♪♪
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And I still feel that life
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without the opportunity
for parole is wrong.
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This isn't somethingthey were gonna do again.
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They're not serial killers.
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What we did... it was awful,
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um, and I wish I could go back.
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We will spend the rest
of our life in prison,
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but if I'm not-- if I'm not--
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if we're not put in the same prison,
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uh, there's a good probability
I will never see him again.
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And... and that, uh...
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that I...
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Some things that you cannot take
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and there's some things
that you can endure.
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Uh...
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with everything taken away,
it would be the last,
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you know, it's the last thing
you can take.
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I think that when you take away
any type of hope from someone,
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I feel that's wrong.
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[♪ somber music playing]
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[Benton Burgess] We heardthe word "Menéndez" more
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than we heard other cases.
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I found it interestingthat my mom was working
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on such a public case.
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{\an8}There's always been a bit of her
that does wanna stay private
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{\an8}and keep to her--
uh, keep to herself.
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[♪ gentle music playing]
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But this was a situationwhere she saw things
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in a different lightthan everybody else.
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[Constantine]
Dr. Burgess wasn't interested
505
00:27:05,917 --> 00:27:09,166
in being this spokesperson for her work.
506
00:27:10,417 --> 00:27:12,250
Working trial cases changed that.
507
00:27:13,542 --> 00:27:17,375
Her big takeaway with the Menéndez casewas that she could get people
508
00:27:17,458 --> 00:27:20,375
to think differently about sexual trauma,
509
00:27:20,458 --> 00:27:22,959
to change how peoplewere thinking about victims.
510
00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:25,917
{\an8}[host] Ann Burgess is
a professor of psychiatric nursing
511
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,583
at the University of Pennsylvania.
512
00:27:27,667 --> 00:27:29,250
[Constantine] She realizedif she really wanted
513
00:27:29,333 --> 00:27:31,375
to be an advocate for victims,
514
00:27:31,458 --> 00:27:33,417
she had to step out of the shadows.
515
00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:34,875
When we talk with battered women,
516
00:27:34,959 --> 00:27:36,792
one of the things that we notice
is that it depends
517
00:27:36,875 --> 00:27:37,917
on the type of violence.
518
00:27:38,333 --> 00:27:40,375
{\an8}[Constantine] Become moreof a public personality
519
00:27:40,458 --> 00:27:43,709
and use that as a platformto leverage her work, her voice,
520
00:27:43,792 --> 00:27:45,625
and to leverage victims' voices as well.
521
00:27:47,083 --> 00:27:51,500
I felt I had the opportunity
to influence a system.
522
00:27:51,583 --> 00:27:54,250
I felt that that was so important,
523
00:27:54,333 --> 00:27:56,792
so no matter what I had
to put up with, it was worth it.
524
00:27:59,125 --> 00:28:01,750
I decided I was going to accept cases
525
00:28:01,834 --> 00:28:03,667
where I felt that I can make a difference.
526
00:28:05,917 --> 00:28:07,542
[distant traffic noise]
527
00:28:13,208 --> 00:28:16,709
[Andrea Constand] I flew to Bostonto meet with Dr. Burgess.
528
00:28:17,875 --> 00:28:20,834
I didn't know a whole lot about her...
529
00:28:22,750 --> 00:28:25,959
and at the time, no one was listening.
530
00:28:28,291 --> 00:28:32,417
{\an8}No one wanted to know about America's Dad.
531
00:28:32,959 --> 00:28:35,333
{\an8}There was no bringing down Bill Cosby.
532
00:28:35,417 --> 00:28:37,125
Ladies and gentlemen, Bill Cosby.
533
00:28:37,208 --> 00:28:38,667
[crowd cheering]
534
00:28:39,208 --> 00:28:42,750
Dentists tell you not to pick your teeth,
535
00:28:42,834 --> 00:28:44,375
then you sit in their chair.
536
00:28:44,458 --> 00:28:45,583
[laughter]
537
00:28:45,667 --> 00:28:47,458
You know, Jell-O Pudding Pops is a winner
538
00:28:47,542 --> 00:28:49,667
- with all the soapbox racers I know.
- It is?
539
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:52,417
- Yeah, sure. [laughs]
- Few minor adjustments.
540
00:28:52,500 --> 00:28:54,458
{\an8}[reporter] Bill Cosbyhas entertained millions
541
00:28:54,542 --> 00:28:56,959
{\an8}around the world while servingas an inspiration to all.
542
00:28:58,625 --> 00:29:00,792
I had seen his TV shows.
543
00:29:00,875 --> 00:29:03,542
I mean, everybody knew Bill Cosby.
544
00:29:03,625 --> 00:29:07,125
I was a nobody, and he was a somebody.
545
00:29:07,208 --> 00:29:08,875
People are gonna believe him.
546
00:29:08,959 --> 00:29:12,250
They're not going to believe
the sexual assault victim.
547
00:29:12,333 --> 00:29:14,750
[♪ somber music playing]
548
00:29:14,834 --> 00:29:17,458
Being believed really will determine
549
00:29:17,542 --> 00:29:22,750
how the survivor will ultimately heal.
550
00:29:22,834 --> 00:29:25,166
I don't know whether this is true.
You don't know whether this is true.
551
00:29:25,250 --> 00:29:26,542
[reporter 1] It's difficult to decide.
552
00:29:26,625 --> 00:29:29,000
Do we even give a voiceto allegations like this?
553
00:29:29,083 --> 00:29:31,583
{\an8}[reporter 2] Cosby's attorneycalled the case "nonsense"
554
00:29:31,667 --> 00:29:34,542
{\an8}and labeled his accuser,Andrea Constand, a con artist.
555
00:29:34,625 --> 00:29:37,458
[reporter 3] District attorney has decidednot to charge Mr. Cosby
556
00:29:37,542 --> 00:29:39,917
and says he findsinsufficient credible evidence.
557
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,417
Mr. Cosby looks forwardto moving on with his life.
558
00:29:42,875 --> 00:29:45,458
A victim that comes forward to report,
559
00:29:45,542 --> 00:29:48,250
only 1% to 2% are gonna see justice.
560
00:29:49,125 --> 00:29:50,917
The criminal case was denied,
561
00:29:51,417 --> 00:29:55,208
so a civil case was the only shotat justice that I had.
562
00:29:56,875 --> 00:29:58,917
All the odds were stacked up against me,
563
00:30:00,083 --> 00:30:03,417
and that's ultimately how
I came to meet Dr. Burgess.
564
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:06,625
[♪ somber music playing]
565
00:30:08,291 --> 00:30:11,208
[Dr. Burgess] "He said she said"are very difficult cases.
566
00:30:12,333 --> 00:30:14,542
I was glad I-I was called on it.
567
00:30:16,417 --> 00:30:20,667
We didn't have any rape kitor forensic evidence,
568
00:30:21,375 --> 00:30:23,875
so in that respect, it just was her word.
569
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,041
We were up against a lot of skepticism.
570
00:30:34,583 --> 00:30:37,875
It was very important to get the details.
571
00:30:39,250 --> 00:30:40,834
[Constand] She had a job to do.
572
00:30:40,917 --> 00:30:45,041
It was to try to pull things
from my memory.
573
00:30:45,583 --> 00:30:47,667
[tape whirring]
574
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:50,500
[Dr. Burgess] [on recording] Explainin your own words what happened.
575
00:30:52,875 --> 00:30:55,375
[Constand] [on recording] I wasthe director of basketball operations
576
00:30:55,458 --> 00:30:57,125
at Temple University.
577
00:30:57,792 --> 00:30:59,792
I knew who Bill Cosby was.
578
00:30:59,875 --> 00:31:03,375
I knew he wasa pretty important man on campus.
579
00:31:04,208 --> 00:31:06,792
I didn't have a reasonto be scared of Bill Cosby.
580
00:31:08,417 --> 00:31:11,959
After having a friendshipwith him for almost 18 months,
581
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,166
he invited me over to his home
582
00:31:15,250 --> 00:31:17,959
to talk about making a career change.
583
00:31:19,542 --> 00:31:21,542
He was like, "You seemreally stressed about that."
584
00:31:21,625 --> 00:31:24,667
And I said, "Yeah, you know,I probably haven't slept a whole lot."
585
00:31:26,333 --> 00:31:30,083
He just randomly got up,excused himself from the table...
586
00:31:31,417 --> 00:31:33,583
and he came down the stairs,
587
00:31:34,208 --> 00:31:36,834
and he had three smallblue pills in his hand.
588
00:31:37,458 --> 00:31:39,417
And he said, "Take these.
589
00:31:39,500 --> 00:31:41,291
They'll help take the edge off."
590
00:31:43,959 --> 00:31:45,500
After about a half an hour,
591
00:31:45,583 --> 00:31:49,125
I started to see two Bill Cosbysacross the table from me.
592
00:31:49,667 --> 00:31:52,291
And he said, "Well,you probably just need to lay down.
593
00:31:52,375 --> 00:31:54,417
You just need to have a sleep."
594
00:31:56,291 --> 00:31:58,750
Those were the last words that I remember.
595
00:32:01,667 --> 00:32:03,500
[Dr. Burgess] She couldn't rememberanything more.
596
00:32:04,625 --> 00:32:06,500
This was not gonna be easy.
597
00:32:06,583 --> 00:32:10,709
We have a lot of missing pieces,
so I have to think,
598
00:32:10,792 --> 00:32:12,917
"Is that anything that we can recover?"
599
00:32:16,041 --> 00:32:18,542
Those are the kinds of questionsthat you try to get into
600
00:32:18,625 --> 00:32:20,875
and have her remember
as much as she could.
601
00:32:20,959 --> 00:32:24,166
[♪ tense music playing]
602
00:32:24,250 --> 00:32:26,458
Even though you can't remember,
603
00:32:26,542 --> 00:32:28,834
doesn't mean that it doesn't register.
604
00:32:30,166 --> 00:32:33,709
You have to move to a different part
of understanding memory
605
00:32:33,792 --> 00:32:35,750
because it does register, you know?
606
00:32:35,834 --> 00:32:38,333
It does register,
even if you're unconscious.
607
00:32:38,875 --> 00:32:40,458
The body keeps score.
608
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:48,250
[Constand] I rememberpassing out, waking up.
609
00:32:49,166 --> 00:32:53,875
I could feel thathe had unzipped my pants.
610
00:32:55,542 --> 00:32:59,458
I was completely paralyzedand was not able to scream.
611
00:33:00,500 --> 00:33:03,000
It was the most horrifying thingin the world.
612
00:33:03,083 --> 00:33:06,083
[♪ tense music continues]
613
00:33:09,792 --> 00:33:13,208
I had seen this technique used before,
especially with children.
614
00:33:13,291 --> 00:33:14,375
They would give them drugs
615
00:33:14,458 --> 00:33:16,834
'cause then they could always say,
"Well, you-you dreamt it.
616
00:33:16,917 --> 00:33:18,125
This didn't really happen."
617
00:33:20,667 --> 00:33:24,625
I give tests to documentthe trauma that she had
618
00:33:25,250 --> 00:33:28,625
and back it up with some kind
of scientific evidence.
619
00:33:30,542 --> 00:33:31,542
[clicks]
620
00:33:31,625 --> 00:33:33,500
[on recording] What were you likebefore this happened?
621
00:33:33,583 --> 00:33:35,250
How often does this come into your mind?
622
00:33:35,333 --> 00:33:36,417
Do you have any anxiety?
623
00:33:36,500 --> 00:33:38,709
Are you snappy? More irritated?
624
00:33:38,792 --> 00:33:39,917
How is your sleep?
625
00:33:40,709 --> 00:33:44,083
She thought, "Well, I'll get over this,"
but then it got worse and worse.
626
00:33:44,166 --> 00:33:46,041
Couldn't stay at the job.
627
00:33:46,125 --> 00:33:47,875
She had to go backand live with her parents.
628
00:33:47,959 --> 00:33:49,917
She broke up with her partner.
629
00:33:51,291 --> 00:33:54,500
I felt that she had,by this time, chronic PTSD.
630
00:33:58,208 --> 00:34:00,208
[Constand] Getting asked 300 questions
631
00:34:00,291 --> 00:34:03,917
about the way you're sleeping,eating, living, loving,
632
00:34:04,041 --> 00:34:05,667
I was able to understand
633
00:34:06,083 --> 00:34:09,375
what that one night had done to me.
634
00:34:09,458 --> 00:34:13,166
♪♪
635
00:34:13,250 --> 00:34:17,375
The fact that I washearing myself actually say
636
00:34:17,458 --> 00:34:18,750
what happened to me
637
00:34:18,834 --> 00:34:21,750
and acknowledge
that I survived a trauma,
638
00:34:21,834 --> 00:34:23,291
that was really critical.
639
00:34:25,458 --> 00:34:26,500
She believed me.
640
00:34:28,250 --> 00:34:31,250
[♪ somber music playing]
641
00:34:40,792 --> 00:34:43,000
I don't think there's any financial amount
642
00:34:43,083 --> 00:34:46,375
that a person can walk away from
643
00:34:46,458 --> 00:34:48,917
to just automatically make
everything better.
644
00:34:50,125 --> 00:34:51,917
I was just happy that I could move on
645
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,834
because I really did wanna move on.
646
00:34:53,917 --> 00:34:56,083
I really did wanna put it behind me.
647
00:34:56,166 --> 00:34:59,166
[♪ gentle music playing]
648
00:34:59,750 --> 00:35:03,083
This case, certainly for me,
649
00:35:03,166 --> 00:35:07,166
was one way to kind of go back
to where we had started.
650
00:35:08,583 --> 00:35:12,083
We're now talking almost 30 yearsfrom when Lynda Holmstrom
651
00:35:12,166 --> 00:35:14,166
and I started our rape study.
652
00:35:14,250 --> 00:35:16,500
♪♪
653
00:35:16,583 --> 00:35:18,709
[Constand] When shestarted doing her work,
654
00:35:18,792 --> 00:35:23,000
there wasn't a culture of wantingto hold men accountable
655
00:35:23,083 --> 00:35:25,875
for their wrongdoings against women.
656
00:35:26,208 --> 00:35:27,834
[reporter] This girl is notthe rape victim,
657
00:35:27,917 --> 00:35:30,458
but according to the judge,the way she's dressed illustrates
658
00:35:30,542 --> 00:35:33,125
another reason that boys rape girls.
659
00:35:33,792 --> 00:35:36,166
[Dr. Burgess] There had beena lot of changes for women.
660
00:35:36,709 --> 00:35:39,959
Rape crisis center,women in the workplace.
661
00:35:40,667 --> 00:35:42,125
[protestors shouting]
662
00:35:42,208 --> 00:35:43,917
[Dr. Burgess] There was a cultural shift.
663
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,250
[protestors shouting]
664
00:35:46,333 --> 00:35:48,333
[Dr. Burgess]
But we knew it wasn't enough.
665
00:35:50,583 --> 00:35:53,458
Sometimes you thinkyou haven't made any progress,
666
00:35:54,375 --> 00:35:57,208
but that's why it's importantto keep fighting.
667
00:36:00,959 --> 00:36:04,583
{\an8}[protestors] [chanting] Time's up!
Time's up! Time's up! Time's up!
668
00:36:04,667 --> 00:36:07,125
{\an8}Time's up! Time's up!
Time's up!
669
00:36:07,208 --> 00:36:10,375
[protestors shouting]
670
00:36:11,125 --> 00:36:14,375
Dr. Burgess' work are those early ripples
671
00:36:14,458 --> 00:36:16,834
that led to the Me Too Movement.
672
00:36:18,333 --> 00:36:20,583
{\an8}The story doesn't center
around Dr. Burgess,
673
00:36:20,667 --> 00:36:22,625
but she's a huge part of that story.
674
00:36:22,709 --> 00:36:24,709
[protestors]
Hey hey, ho ho...
675
00:36:25,208 --> 00:36:28,417
I'm just glad that
she's been able to see
676
00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:30,166
some of the fruits of her labor.
677
00:36:32,291 --> 00:36:33,792
[Courtney Hoblock]
This is what Dr. Burgess
678
00:36:33,875 --> 00:36:35,542
had been fighting for all along.
679
00:36:36,375 --> 00:36:38,750
Finally, the culture was readyto believe victims.
680
00:36:38,834 --> 00:36:40,000
[protestors] Me too.
681
00:36:40,083 --> 00:36:42,250
- Me too!
- [protestors] Me too!
682
00:36:42,333 --> 00:36:45,375
Women who had been traumatized
683
00:36:45,458 --> 00:36:48,792
and victimized years before
were starting to come forward.
684
00:36:48,875 --> 00:36:51,166
{\an8}- It happened to me too.
- Me too.
685
00:36:51,250 --> 00:36:52,458
{\an8}It happened to me too.
686
00:36:52,542 --> 00:36:54,500
{\an8}[reporter] Their storiesflooded social media
687
00:36:54,583 --> 00:36:56,709
{\an8}and painted a pictureof just how many people
688
00:36:56,792 --> 00:36:59,875
{\an8}endure sexual abuseand harassment every day.
689
00:36:59,959 --> 00:37:01,917
[chanting in sing-song]
♪ No, no, no ♪
690
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,959
The Me Too Movement
gave women an opportunity
691
00:37:06,041 --> 00:37:09,125
to be in control,
to be able to say, "This--
692
00:37:09,208 --> 00:37:10,750
We-We aren't gonna put up with this."
693
00:37:10,834 --> 00:37:14,000
[people cheering]
694
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,000
I was really so proud of the women
695
00:37:18,083 --> 00:37:21,333
for coming forward and demanding justice.
696
00:37:22,750 --> 00:37:23,834
It was amazing.
697
00:37:25,083 --> 00:37:26,417
[chuckles]
698
00:37:28,792 --> 00:37:31,083
{\an8}And then, because of the Me Too Movement,
699
00:37:31,583 --> 00:37:34,875
there's one more part to the Cosby case.
700
00:37:34,959 --> 00:37:36,750
[♪ tense music playing]
701
00:37:36,834 --> 00:37:38,583
[reporter] A floodof allegations from women
702
00:37:38,667 --> 00:37:41,583
who say they weresexually assaulted by Cosby.
703
00:37:41,667 --> 00:37:44,125
{\an8}I couldn't believe it. He had drugged me.
704
00:37:44,208 --> 00:37:48,250
{\an8}Waking up in a bed with Mr. Cosby, naked.
705
00:37:48,625 --> 00:37:52,333
{\an8}Mr. Cosby is charged
with aggravated indecent assault.
706
00:37:52,417 --> 00:37:56,166
When Me Too happened,
that's what it took.
707
00:37:56,542 --> 00:37:58,625
[reporter] Mr. Cosby,
did you drug that woman?
708
00:37:59,208 --> 00:38:03,792
I never expected that
I would get an opportunity
709
00:38:03,875 --> 00:38:06,291
to face my abuser in court.
710
00:38:06,375 --> 00:38:09,375
{\an8}[reporter] Thirteen years afteran alleged sexual assault,
711
00:38:09,458 --> 00:38:12,250
{\an8}Andrea Constand walkedinto a packed courtroom
712
00:38:12,333 --> 00:38:14,000
{\an8}to publicly tell her story.
713
00:38:14,333 --> 00:38:16,709
{\an8}She went in there and did
a beautiful job testifying.
714
00:38:17,667 --> 00:38:18,667
{\an8}There has been a verdict.
715
00:38:18,750 --> 00:38:22,166
{\an8}The comedian, now 80, has been
found guilty on all counts.
716
00:38:24,250 --> 00:38:25,583
[Constand] It was a miracle
717
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,417
to see the justice system
working for survivors.
718
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,959
[Dr. Burgess]
The culture had really changed.
719
00:38:33,041 --> 00:38:36,000
In, um, 1970, I don't think
you'd get a conviction
720
00:38:36,083 --> 00:38:37,166
against Bill Cosby.
721
00:38:40,166 --> 00:38:43,291
Andrea's case was very importantin being able
722
00:38:43,375 --> 00:38:47,166
to identify a high-profile person
and get justice.
723
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,750
There's a handful of people
724
00:38:51,083 --> 00:38:55,208
who played a big part in my "surviving"...
725
00:38:56,417 --> 00:38:58,917
and Dr. Burgess is one of those people.
726
00:39:03,917 --> 00:39:06,000
[car engine rumbling]
727
00:39:07,709 --> 00:39:09,709
[birds chirping]
728
00:39:12,667 --> 00:39:14,500
[Dr. Burgess] I'm trying to think
of how it all started.
729
00:39:14,917 --> 00:39:18,834
I can remember vividly in, uh...
on the serial killer study,
730
00:39:18,917 --> 00:39:20,000
which was generally...
731
00:39:20,083 --> 00:39:23,166
[Benton] The stuff thatmy mom's done is so helpful
732
00:39:23,250 --> 00:39:25,375
that we'd love to see the work continue.
733
00:39:25,458 --> 00:39:27,417
I think she'd be more than happy
734
00:39:27,709 --> 00:39:30,041
if someone would pick up the torch.
735
00:39:30,125 --> 00:39:33,166
First couple topics are ones
that are most prominent
736
00:39:33,250 --> 00:39:34,583
in their manifestos.
737
00:39:35,375 --> 00:39:37,500
[Dr. Burgess] I'm workingwith my granddaughter
738
00:39:37,583 --> 00:39:40,959
to study the manifestosof mass shooters.
739
00:39:41,041 --> 00:39:45,667
{\an8}Machine learning can find
associations between words
740
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:47,667
{\an8}and patterns and phrases.
741
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:49,917
[Dr. Burgess] We can't get herenough data. [laughs]
742
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,250
She says, "Send me data."
She loves that.
743
00:39:52,333 --> 00:39:55,875
That might be something
that, that would be of interest.
744
00:39:56,417 --> 00:39:58,625
[♪ gentle music playing]
745
00:40:00,917 --> 00:40:03,625
I believe that there is
746
00:40:03,709 --> 00:40:05,875
a parallel universe somewhere
747
00:40:06,333 --> 00:40:09,750
where Dr. Burgess was never invitedto speak at the FBI,
748
00:40:10,208 --> 00:40:12,250
and it is a scary world.
749
00:40:13,417 --> 00:40:17,917
[Constantine] Profiling, victimology,behavioral psychology,
750
00:40:18,166 --> 00:40:19,917
she had this really formative role
751
00:40:20,041 --> 00:40:21,667
in all these different realms,
752
00:40:22,542 --> 00:40:24,500
and it really shiftedhow the FBI functioned
753
00:40:24,583 --> 00:40:25,750
as an organization.
754
00:40:26,917 --> 00:40:29,333
Where other people just saw craziness,
755
00:40:29,417 --> 00:40:31,917
she saw early on that there were patterns.
756
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,041
[Montie Rissell speaking]
Once you kill another human being,
757
00:40:34,125 --> 00:40:35,542
you'll never be the same person again.
758
00:40:35,625 --> 00:40:36,834
[Ted Bundy speaking]
I would feed off of this fear,
759
00:40:36,917 --> 00:40:38,375
it was like a source of fuel for me.
760
00:40:38,458 --> 00:40:40,250
{\an8}[Ed Kemper speaking] I've been an ordinary
person most of my life.
761
00:40:40,333 --> 00:40:42,750
{\an8}And she said,
"We've got significant data."
762
00:40:44,291 --> 00:40:47,417
All of a sudden, that turns into something
763
00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:48,750
that we can make sense of it.
764
00:40:49,959 --> 00:40:52,500
There was no blueprint,
and she created the blueprint.
765
00:40:52,583 --> 00:40:55,917
We would like to look at the cases
that have been profiled
766
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,125
to see whether, you know...
767
00:40:57,208 --> 00:41:00,208
[Candice DeLong] She's hadto overcome the prejudice
768
00:41:00,291 --> 00:41:02,458
that male agents had,
769
00:41:03,417 --> 00:41:05,333
but she was alwaysgonna have the last word
770
00:41:05,417 --> 00:41:06,709
on criminal behavior
771
00:41:07,208 --> 00:41:09,291
because she knew more
than anybody in the room.
772
00:41:09,375 --> 00:41:12,500
The impact of victimization on the family
773
00:41:12,583 --> 00:41:14,041
and the community so that...
774
00:41:14,125 --> 00:41:17,834
[Constand] Making things betterfor victims,
775
00:41:18,625 --> 00:41:21,291
for survivors goingthrough the legal system.
776
00:41:22,083 --> 00:41:26,083
And she's spent her whole career
breaking the barriers down.
777
00:41:27,875 --> 00:41:30,208
[reporter] Simonis,without hesitation, pleaded guilty
778
00:41:30,291 --> 00:41:31,875
to all charges against him.
779
00:41:32,875 --> 00:41:35,166
[officer]
John Joubert was arrested tonight
780
00:41:35,250 --> 00:41:36,333
by the task force.
781
00:41:37,709 --> 00:41:40,417
[reporter] The FBI is charging28-year-old Brian Dugan
782
00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:43,625
with the kidnap and murderof Melissa Ackerman.
783
00:41:45,125 --> 00:41:48,542
[Cailean]
It is time for people to recognize
784
00:41:48,625 --> 00:41:53,000
there is not an aspect
of modern criminal psychology
785
00:41:53,333 --> 00:41:56,583
that has not been significantly impacted
786
00:41:56,667 --> 00:41:58,166
by Dr. Burgess' work
787
00:41:59,125 --> 00:42:03,000
and it does matter that people know that.
788
00:42:03,083 --> 00:42:05,291
♪♪
789
00:42:05,375 --> 00:42:07,083
[♪ music fades]
790
00:42:10,041 --> 00:42:11,709
How many cases
are you working on?
791
00:42:12,291 --> 00:42:14,709
[laughing] A lot. I don't know.
792
00:42:14,959 --> 00:42:16,375
Five? Ten?
793
00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:18,291
Oh, over a dozen. Yeah.
794
00:42:22,291 --> 00:42:24,583
To give you an idea of what we're trying
795
00:42:24,667 --> 00:42:27,166
to do on campus from academic nursing.
796
00:42:32,375 --> 00:42:34,208
There were a lot of native women
797
00:42:34,291 --> 00:42:36,041
that were, um, murdered in--
798
00:42:36,125 --> 00:42:37,458
- [Dr. Burgess] A lot. Oh, yes.
- Yeah.
799
00:42:37,542 --> 00:42:40,166
We-We have a database now
of over 3,000 people.
800
00:42:44,542 --> 00:42:46,333
It's a little bit differentbecause we are hearing
801
00:42:46,417 --> 00:42:48,834
from an actual personwho has lost someone
802
00:42:48,917 --> 00:42:51,458
and who it is an unsolved case.
803
00:42:55,959 --> 00:42:57,166
Where are we at with our data?
804
00:42:57,250 --> 00:42:59,375
'Cause we do need to talk about drafting
805
00:42:59,458 --> 00:43:01,417
or at least getting the outline
for a paper.
806
00:43:03,291 --> 00:43:05,000
There's always some more work to do.
807
00:43:05,083 --> 00:43:07,959
No time to celebrate.
No. Keep going.
808
00:43:08,041 --> 00:43:10,834
[♪ uplifting music playing]
809
00:43:16,125 --> 00:43:19,125
[♪ gentle music playing]
810
00:43:36,709 --> 00:43:39,709
♪♪
811
00:43:55,667 --> 00:43:57,667
[♪ music fades out]
812
00:43:58,667 --> 00:44:00,667
[flames sizzling]
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