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Breaking just into our newsroom,
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a suspicious death
investigation.
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Deputies responded to the house
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for a well-being check
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when they found a
gruesome situation.
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Three dead from
apparent gunshot wounds.
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Adding to the mystery,
no sign of forced entry.
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One victim is in the garage,
one in the kitchen area,
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then another is in
the family office.
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- Grant Amato.
- Grant Amato.
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Grant Amato.
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Armed and dangerous.
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Grant Amato is
accused of killing
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his parents and his brother.
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Just a horrific
experience for everybody.
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A crime scene like that is not
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an easy thing to walk into.
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It's a family.
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They have a story, and you're
there to try and figure out
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what the story is.
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Whoever did this crime
killed three people
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with four bullets.
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I don't think it was
something that happened
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in the heat of the moment.
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I've never interviewed
somebody like him.
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Very cold.
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We were all just in awe.
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There appeared to be
some type of tears,
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but I didn't believe
they were real.
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My life was easy.
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He was obsessed with her.
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It's a heinous crime.
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I didn't do any of this.
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When the Amato case
happened, I was
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working at a daily newspaper
for about two years.
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We received a notification
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from the Seminole
County Sheriff's Office
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notifying us of
a triple homicide
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just south of Chuluota,
a really rural area
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of Seminole County.
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Mr. Amato, come forward,
please, best you can.
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We got notification that
a new murder case came in,
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and then based on that, we
go see the client, which is
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our first step in the process.
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Raise your right
hand best you can.
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Be ready to be sworn.
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Do you solemnly swear
or affirm the testimony
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you're about to give will
be the complete truth,
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so help you God?
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Thank you.
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We were expecting somebody to
come in that was going to be
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very emotional, crying,
things of that nature,
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and it was anything but that.
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When he described what
was going on with him,
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that's when it
appeared very clearly
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that he was an abnormal
criminal defense client.
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The jury was seated last night,
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and today both sides
delivered opening statements.
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Prosecutors say Amato staged
a murder-suicide scene.
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Mr. Amato wants
his day in court.
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We're going to get it for him.
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The Seminole District
Attorney's Office decided
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to pursue the death penalty.
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The stage was set
for Grant's trial.
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He was on trial for his life.
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This is a criminal case.
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Grant Amato is charged
with first-degree
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premeditated murder.
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It is your solemn responsibility
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to determine if the state
proved its accusation
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beyond a reasonable doubt.
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The prosecution's case
was very clinical.
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It sort of laid out the
struggles that this family
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had been going through.
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This is 2112 Sultan Circle.
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Inside that house
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are the dead bodies
of Margaret Amato,
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Chad Amato,
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Cody Amato,
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each shot through the
head execution-style.
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The Amatos were a
very close family.
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They lived at
home, all together.
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They spent the majority
of their time together.
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Margaret Amato was a
loving and caring mother.
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Chad was the provider
for his family
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and worked very hard to
give his family a good life.
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Cody Amato was a very
good friend to others.
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Obviously, he went
out of his way
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to help Grant out way
more than you would
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expect a normal sibling to do.
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This was a good,
wholesome family.
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It's just sad that something
like this could have happened.
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But why?
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What was his motive?
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Why did he kill his family?
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The answer to that question
lies across the ocean,
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in Bulgaria, and a
woman named Silvie.
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Silvie is an internet cam model.
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The defendant, Grant Amato,
became addicted to her.
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Thank you so much, Grant.
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Thank you so, so, so much.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you.
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That's what this case is about:
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His blind obsession
with this woman
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and his absolute
contempt for those
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that he held responsible.
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My relationship with
Silviya was like
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it was like a buoy in the ocean.
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I was not successful
at the time.
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You know, I had lost
a lot of traction
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with my family, my career goals,
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my life path.
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She didn't know
all the negatives
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that were going on in
my life, so I could just
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get lost in that relationship.
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A lot of these men, they're not
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just logging in for immediate
sexual gratification.
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They want what in
sexual economies
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we often characterize as
the girlfriend experience.
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They're not looking for a
wham, bam, thank you, ma'am.
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They want to spend time.
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They want to have conversation.
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They're looking for
emotional support.
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It's not only about
getting naked on the show.
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The members are
looking for intimacy.
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You want to offer a full
experience of interaction,
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you have to be
genuine, you know.
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We have to be more
understanding, more friendly,
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more present for the members.
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They want to share their
feelings, their experience.
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Maybe some of the
members are going
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through some rough times,
and the model's job
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is to help him emotionally,
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like a therapy session.
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I've done therapy
with members online
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for as long as I've known
myself as a cam model.
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And I think that being a
psychotherapist online,
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even if it's a role-play, it
can be beneficial to the people
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that are looking for this.
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This seems like yet another
unfortunate opportunity
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to talk about the
rise of loneliness,
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especially in isolation on
devices and online and the way
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that that can compromise
people's mental health.
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Do you still think about Silvie?
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I do.
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I think about Silvie
on a regular basis.
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She's... she'll always
be, you know, an important
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aspect of my life.
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You know, it was
very therapeutic
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to interact with her.
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She was like a lifeline.
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So I'm going to call
a friend, a member.
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We've been knowing
each other for, like,
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five or six years already.
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Hey.
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I'm so curious what you
were doing this past week
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that you were so quiet.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, you do spoil me a lot
with your presents and all.
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Why you didn't tell me?
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It doesn't matter. You
should have told me.
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It might be anxiety attacks,
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because I often have those too.
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Did you actually ever try to
find a psychologist, maybe?
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I know there is a lot
of stigma, especially
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in the whole world,
about mental health,
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and to me it's really
important to bring some light
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into that aspect of our lives.
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I'm glad that can bring
some positivity there.
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Mm-hmm.
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And you bring it too.
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That's what I say,
it's a two-way street.
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Oh, don't start...
don't start crying.
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No. Come on.
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This is happy.
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Happy moments.
- Yeah.
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True. I agree with that fully.
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Unfortunately, so many people
forget that loving themselves
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is the most important part.
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Grant.
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Hey, Tom.
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Let me just double-check
that we're recording.
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Sorry, I get so paranoid.
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No, you're good.
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So new phone.
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I did get a new phone.
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How'd it happen?
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It was just an impulse buy.
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OK.
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And, you know, I hate
to be so dramatic,
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but do you mind if
we start off talking
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about, you know,
some family members?
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No. That's fine.
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How would you characterize
your relationship
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with your father?
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Hmm.
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My relationship with my father.
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Well, my relationship
with my old man was...
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It was
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taxing.
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So he was very
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very polar in, like,
the way that he acts.
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He would be an extreme,
positive, happy, you know,
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carefree at one
moment, and then he
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would be extremely angry,
explosive, you know,
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destructive, all of
that, the next moment.
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Chad was a very
structured individual.
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This is what you're going to do.
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You're going to work.
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You know, you're
going to go to school.
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You're going to do this.
You're going to do that.
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And he was very regimented.
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Oh, Chad Amato definitely
came off as controlling,
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for sure, and regimented.
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Regimented, controlling,
detail-orientated.
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He seemed like he
wanted his children
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to go in a certain direction,
that if those expectations
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were not met, that he
would be very angry.
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So I think that that was always,
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like, an internal strife
that my dad had to deal with,
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was this constant desire
to always be in control.
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A Seminole County man
is accused of killing
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his mom, dad, and brother.
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Prosecutors say he killed
them after an argument
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over $200,000, which they
say he sent to an online
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call girl overseas.
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A lot of digital evidence
was coming fast and furious,
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and none of it was good.
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None of it was good.
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The contents of Grant's computer
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was mainly financial
crimes and ID fraud.
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What he was really doing
is he was committing fraud,
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signing up for
false credit cards,
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taking out fraudulent
loans, all to finance
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his relationship with Silvie.
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One, two, three, four, five, six
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transactions, each $599.99.
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I started using my
brother's debit card,
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my mom's credit cards,
my dad's credit cards.
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$20,000 in one night.
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20 grand.
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That's in here.
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I opened up separate
accounts in their names
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without their knowledge.
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Every count of identity theft
carries a two-year minimum
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mandatory prison sentence.
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He could have went
away for a long time.
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Don't know the explanation,
but his parents covered him.
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After the discovery
of the thefts,
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the Amatos didn't kick
Grant out to the curb.
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They resolved to help him.
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They resolved to be good parents
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and to be a good brother
for their family member.
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As a result of all
of Grant's spending,
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Chad had to basically
upend his life.
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He took out a second
mortgage on his home.
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He resolved to work longer
hours than he previously did.
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And he realized
that the dream of
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a peaceful,
successful retirement
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would not be possible.
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And who's to say what
Chad did or didn't do?
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All we know is what
the evidence shows us.
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We have the CVS
records that show
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that Dad was clocking out.
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4:48, he leaves.
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And he takes the last
67 steps of his life.
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Chad was the second
person that was shot.
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The theory is that he was
shot first in the back,
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and then he crawled and
was shot again in the back
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of the head and collapsed.
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The state's theory was somebody
turned Chad over and then
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put this holster on him.
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Chad Amato's body
specifically looked like it
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had been tampered with.
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Did you make any observations
as to the positioning
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of the holster and
firearm on Chad's hip?
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Yes.
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The gun itself was placed
inside of the holster,
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and it was in this
position on his body.
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You would have to pull it
out awkwardly, point it
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at yourself, and then
point it towards somebody
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to fire it, which just
doesn't make any sense.
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According to the
prosecution's case,
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Grant killed his entire family,
stayed in the house with some
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of their bodies, and
after doing all of this,
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after hours of this,
he went to a public.
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Wi-Fi hotspot to continue
talking with Silvie.
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Right.
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Grant Amato was so
obsessed with this woman,
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after leaving the
house, the defendant
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goes to a nearby Publix
parking lot and uses
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his dead brother's
checking account
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to get onto Silvie's website.
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Websites that were accessed
starting at about 3:02.
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It was MFC or MFCams.
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It's a Google search.
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Around the same time
as MyFreeCams contest.
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AdySweet's home page
on myfreecams.com.
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So you have these
boundaries, of course,
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but you begin to care about
the members eventually.
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It can feel like it's
your second family.
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It's important for you to
kind of get to know them.
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People, you know,
crave that closeness.
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Well, hello, Bobby.
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How are you doing?
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It's normal to get attached to
people you talk to every day.
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You eventually kind
of care about them,
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because we're humans.
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The fine line between reality
and fantasy is always crossed.
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You want me to get
both of them off?
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Or just the latex?
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00:23:54,955 --> 00:23:57,610
Or just the bra?
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Even if you don't want to cross
it, you cross it eventually.
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OK, I thought so.
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00:24:05,966 --> 00:24:08,011
So, yeah, a lot
of guys can become
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obsessed with the models.
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But, of course, it can
happen to the cam girl
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as well, to be obsessed
with the member.
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Welcome back, Grant.
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People love binaries, but most
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00:25:01,978 --> 00:25:04,111
of the world and most
of human experience
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exists on some continuum.
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And it's messy, and
there's gray area.
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00:25:09,116 --> 00:25:12,772
And my sense is this case
sits in that gray area.
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00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:24,218
One thing that I think
Grant should take
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00:25:24,305 --> 00:25:26,525
away from this tragedy
is that he always
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had a void in his heart.
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He always felt
lonely, and he always
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wondered whether
he would receive
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affection from any woman.
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The truth is that there was
only one woman in his life
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who loved him unconditionally,
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00:25:43,063 --> 00:25:45,631
and that woman was
Margaret Amato.
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She had a really soft
spot for animals.
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She had rescued and
rehabilitated horses.
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The stables were just
down a couple of blocks
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00:26:00,907 --> 00:26:05,041
from their house, and she
would go down there daily.
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00:26:05,128 --> 00:26:11,004
She was a deeply
devoted caretaker.
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You can run that parallel
with Grant, where
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00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:16,357
she knew Grant was
in deep trouble,
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00:26:16,444 --> 00:26:18,620
but yet she supported him.
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00:26:23,364 --> 00:26:27,455
Grant, how would you
describe your mother?
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My mom was always
completely selfless.
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00:26:31,459 --> 00:26:35,942
She sacrificed a lot
of her time, her life
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00:26:36,029 --> 00:26:38,118
for the benefit of other people.
348
00:26:38,205 --> 00:26:41,121
She was always
caring, always funny,
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00:26:41,208 --> 00:26:44,646
laid-back, the
quintessential coolest mom.
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00:27:23,163 --> 00:27:25,426
Even through all that... and
we're talking January now,
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00:27:25,513 --> 00:27:27,167
right, days before her death
352
00:27:27,254 --> 00:27:30,692
she still allowed
him to contact Silvie
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00:27:30,779 --> 00:27:32,955
via her cell phone.
354
00:28:15,998 --> 00:28:18,218
So why?
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00:28:18,305 --> 00:28:19,915
Why Mom?
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00:28:20,002 --> 00:28:21,830
Why Mom?
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00:28:24,006 --> 00:28:26,008
Because she was there.
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00:28:26,095 --> 00:28:29,011
And there was no other way
to get to Chad and Cody
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00:28:29,098 --> 00:28:30,186
without getting to Mom.
360
00:28:32,058 --> 00:28:33,929
That's where her body was found,
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00:28:34,016 --> 00:28:35,816
shot in the back of the
head by the defendant.
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00:29:17,103 --> 00:29:18,713
Prosecutors say Grant murdered
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00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,497
his family members
all over this woman,
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00:29:20,584 --> 00:29:22,673
an online Bulgarian call girl.
365
00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:24,458
On a pornographic website.
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00:29:24,545 --> 00:29:27,287
In much of the reporting,
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00:29:27,374 --> 00:29:31,421
there was a very significant
amount of this almost veiled
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00:29:31,508 --> 00:29:35,034
sexism focusing on Silvie.
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00:29:35,121 --> 00:29:37,253
How many of us
haven't had, you know,
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00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:39,734
a Bulgarian cam girl
from a porn site?
371
00:29:39,821 --> 00:29:41,997
I mean, if I could have
a dollar for every time
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00:29:42,084 --> 00:29:45,044
I've heard that story, I could
pay for a minute with her.
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00:29:45,131 --> 00:29:48,047
Every story kept focusing on her
374
00:29:48,134 --> 00:29:50,136
and focusing on that narrative.
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00:29:50,223 --> 00:29:54,227
So she is really key to
this case, if she's real.
376
00:29:54,314 --> 00:29:56,490
You know, we're not
even sure she's real.
377
00:29:56,577 --> 00:29:57,859
In some ways, I
feel like we're not
378
00:29:57,883 --> 00:30:00,059
seeing the forest for the trees,
379
00:30:00,146 --> 00:30:03,279
and the ways in
which so much of what
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00:30:03,366 --> 00:30:06,892
was appealing to
Grant about this space
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00:30:06,979 --> 00:30:08,850
was that community of men.
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00:30:42,231 --> 00:30:46,932
On January 22, 2019, just
two days before the murder,
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00:30:47,019 --> 00:30:50,152
Grant Amato typed
an eight-page letter
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00:30:50,239 --> 00:30:52,763
to six other men
that were in that
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00:30:52,851 --> 00:30:56,811
internet room with Silvie.
386
00:30:56,898 --> 00:30:58,117
Hey, guys.
387
00:30:58,204 --> 00:31:00,336
The purpose of this
letter is an apology.
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00:31:00,423 --> 00:31:02,991
With each of you, I forged a
different form of "friendship."
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00:31:03,078 --> 00:31:05,037
I think it is safe to say by now
390
00:31:05,124 --> 00:31:07,561
that everyone here
knows that I made
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00:31:07,648 --> 00:31:09,606
a drastic mistake with Silvie.
392
00:31:09,693 --> 00:31:13,436
I lied to her and you guys from
the beginning about myself.
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00:31:13,523 --> 00:31:17,049
I can simply plead that I was
human, made a terrible error,
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00:31:17,136 --> 00:31:20,139
and hurt the ones
I grew to care for.
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00:31:20,226 --> 00:31:21,357
"Don't lose her.
396
00:31:21,444 --> 00:31:23,011
"I hope I can be with her again,
397
00:31:23,098 --> 00:31:24,467
"and I hope I can be a part
of that community again.
398
00:31:24,491 --> 00:31:26,885
And I'm sorry for what I
did to her and to you."
399
00:31:26,972 --> 00:31:28,625
These are his words.
400
00:31:45,729 --> 00:31:50,082
This was about a man
who felt disempowered
401
00:31:50,169 --> 00:31:53,824
in his everyday life
and found a space
402
00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:56,392
that made him feel
good about himself
403
00:31:56,479 --> 00:31:58,917
and not just good about
himself as a human
404
00:31:59,004 --> 00:32:02,529
but good about himself
as a man, right?
405
00:32:02,616 --> 00:32:04,531
I'm in control, right?
406
00:32:04,618 --> 00:32:07,099
I can pay for access
to this woman.
407
00:32:07,186 --> 00:32:10,450
I can pay for access
to this community.
408
00:32:10,537 --> 00:32:16,325
And for me, it's so typical
that so much of this reporting
409
00:32:16,412 --> 00:32:19,285
would really use
Silvie as a scapegoat.
410
00:32:19,372 --> 00:32:22,766
Silvie did not steal
Grant's family's money.
411
00:32:22,853 --> 00:32:27,293
Silvie was at work, and
Silvie was doing her job.
412
00:32:31,471 --> 00:32:34,474
Attempts were made to
contact Silvie in Bulgaria
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00:32:34,561 --> 00:32:38,434
to talk about this, and nobody
ever returned a phone call.
414
00:32:38,521 --> 00:32:40,697
I would love to know what
Silvie thought about this,
415
00:32:40,784 --> 00:32:44,310
but, no, we never got
any answers from her.
416
00:34:11,788 --> 00:34:12,702
Hi.
417
00:34:12,789 --> 00:34:14,181
Can you see and hear me?
418
00:34:15,748 --> 00:34:17,315
I can. Hold on.
419
00:34:17,402 --> 00:34:21,362
I'm just setting
up the recording.
420
00:34:21,449 --> 00:34:24,149
OK. Well, let's backtrack a bit.
421
00:34:24,235 --> 00:34:25,795
Can you tell me who
you are and give us
422
00:34:25,846 --> 00:34:27,761
an idea of your
background as a reporter?
423
00:34:27,848 --> 00:34:29,763
I'm Teodora Barzakova.
424
00:34:29,850 --> 00:34:32,373
I am a Bulgarian journalist.
425
00:34:32,460 --> 00:34:34,463
Can you tell me
a little bit what
426
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:36,224
you were able to learn
about Silviya from poking
427
00:34:36,248 --> 00:34:37,858
around on the internet?
428
00:34:37,945 --> 00:34:40,121
The only information,
basically, I managed to find
429
00:34:40,208 --> 00:34:43,342
is from what you shared with me.
430
00:34:43,429 --> 00:34:46,693
No one knows anything
more about her.
431
00:34:46,780 --> 00:34:49,956
What surprised me as well is
that Bulgarian media would
432
00:34:50,043 --> 00:34:52,045
have been all over this story.
433
00:34:52,132 --> 00:34:54,309
But clearly they
also didn't find her,
434
00:34:54,396 --> 00:34:56,224
because they're
just the same thing
435
00:34:56,311 --> 00:34:58,139
that was reported in the U.S.
436
00:34:58,226 --> 00:35:00,141
Do you think we
have her real name?
437
00:35:00,228 --> 00:35:02,274
She's called Silviya.
438
00:35:02,361 --> 00:35:04,754
I have no idea
about the surnames.
439
00:35:04,841 --> 00:35:07,714
I tried googling her name.
440
00:35:07,801 --> 00:35:11,152
I also, you know, tried looking
on Facebook, on Twitter,
441
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,502
in Cyrillic as
well, on Instagram.
442
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:18,464
No one that even looks
remotely like her popped up.
443
00:35:18,551 --> 00:35:19,963
And based on her accent,
do you think she's
444
00:35:19,987 --> 00:35:21,728
a native Bulgarian speaker?
445
00:35:21,815 --> 00:35:23,512
Yes, definitely native
Bulgarian speaker,
446
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:27,603
and I saw pictures of
letters that she sent.
447
00:35:27,690 --> 00:35:31,825
There is a return address
on three of them, I think.
448
00:35:31,912 --> 00:35:33,261
But it's not complete.
449
00:35:33,348 --> 00:35:37,222
I mean, the return address
is for a neighborhood
450
00:35:37,309 --> 00:35:42,314
in Sofia which is a really
massive, huge neighborhood.
451
00:35:42,401 --> 00:35:44,272
It's not a specific
address, so you
452
00:35:44,359 --> 00:35:46,013
wouldn't be able to
send a letter to her
453
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:47,754
if you wanted to.
454
00:35:55,588 --> 00:35:57,590
Today prosecutors
said that Grant Amato
455
00:35:57,677 --> 00:36:01,681
actually staged what appeared
to be a murder-suicide.
456
00:36:01,768 --> 00:36:05,728
Do you remember in the
beginning of this case,
457
00:36:05,815 --> 00:36:08,514
if not Grant, then who?
458
00:36:08,601 --> 00:36:09,906
Right?
459
00:36:09,993 --> 00:36:13,649
So how does the state prove
460
00:36:13,736 --> 00:36:16,435
that the defendant is the
one that committed the crime?
461
00:36:16,522 --> 00:36:17,784
How do we meet this burden?
462
00:36:17,871 --> 00:36:20,787
Well, these three dead bodies,
463
00:36:20,874 --> 00:36:23,833
they tell you a story,
464
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,532
and I'm going to explain how.
465
00:36:26,619 --> 00:36:28,838
The prosecution argued
that it was a staged
466
00:36:28,925 --> 00:36:31,493
murder-suicide, but
they made the case
467
00:36:31,580 --> 00:36:34,844
that it was sort of a botched
stage of a murder-suicide.
468
00:36:34,931 --> 00:36:36,300
There was a lot of
factors that just didn't
469
00:36:36,324 --> 00:36:37,891
seem to make a lot of sense.
470
00:36:37,978 --> 00:36:41,242
The crime scene was staged to
look like Cody had done it.
471
00:36:43,505 --> 00:36:45,768
A gun was placed
next to Cody Amato,
472
00:36:45,855 --> 00:36:49,685
but the ballistics on that
gun did not match the bullets
473
00:36:49,772 --> 00:36:51,121
that killed the family.
474
00:36:51,209 --> 00:36:55,430
So detectives immediately
had their suspicions.
475
00:38:24,389 --> 00:38:26,173
Grant Amato is
accused of killing
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00:38:26,260 --> 00:38:27,479
his parents and a brother.
477
00:38:27,566 --> 00:38:29,698
Today his only surviving brother
478
00:38:29,785 --> 00:38:33,093
testified about the last
time he saw his family alive.
479
00:38:37,358 --> 00:38:39,708
Jason Amato was Cody and
Grant's half brother.
480
00:38:39,795 --> 00:38:41,971
He had moved out of
the home a while ago
481
00:38:42,058 --> 00:38:44,626
and created his own path.
482
00:38:44,713 --> 00:38:48,108
Jason seemed very
separated from the family.
483
00:38:48,195 --> 00:38:49,795
He wanted to live on
his own and get out
484
00:38:49,849 --> 00:38:52,330
from under the controlling
nature of Chad Amato.
485
00:38:52,417 --> 00:38:55,637
During the course of the
conversation, were there
486
00:38:55,724 --> 00:39:01,600
times where you accuse him
of killing your family?
487
00:39:01,687 --> 00:39:03,297
Yes.
488
00:39:03,384 --> 00:39:07,214
I did go into
meeting my brother,
489
00:39:07,301 --> 00:39:10,304
just trying to find out
what happened to my family.
490
00:39:10,391 --> 00:39:14,308
And he was the last one
that I knew was there.
491
00:39:46,166 --> 00:39:47,994
No. No. No.
492
00:40:24,030 --> 00:40:27,599
I just
493
00:40:27,686 --> 00:40:30,558
just remember him
mostly being silent
494
00:40:30,645 --> 00:40:34,257
and just saying he
understood how I felt.
495
00:40:34,344 --> 00:40:38,697
If you're asking if he
denied any of my accusations,
496
00:40:38,784 --> 00:40:40,873
I only remember him
saying he didn't have
497
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,397
anything to do with it
when I first walked in.
498
00:40:43,484 --> 00:40:45,704
When he asked him whether
he loved his brother,
499
00:40:45,791 --> 00:40:49,098
you know, Jason could
have said, no, screw him.
500
00:40:49,185 --> 00:40:52,406
Instead, the answer was yes,
and I think that was a really
501
00:40:52,493 --> 00:40:53,613
important piece of evidence.
502
00:40:53,668 --> 00:40:54,930
You're the big brother.
503
00:40:55,017 --> 00:40:56,889
You love your little brother.
- Yeah.
504
00:40:56,976 --> 00:40:58,543
I love both of my brothers.
505
00:41:30,096 --> 00:41:32,446
The case was going, we
thought, pretty well.
506
00:41:32,533 --> 00:41:34,013
I mean, we were...
you know, we were,
507
00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:35,381
like, three weeks in,
and say, hey, man,
508
00:41:35,405 --> 00:41:36,929
we got something here.
509
00:41:37,016 --> 00:41:38,452
They didn't have
the murder weapon.
510
00:41:38,539 --> 00:41:40,672
They know they
don't have the gun.
511
00:41:40,759 --> 00:41:42,432
We were wondering, where
is the murder weapon?
512
00:41:42,456 --> 00:41:43,588
What murder weapon is used?
513
00:41:43,675 --> 00:41:46,504
This is what they
started out with.
514
00:41:46,591 --> 00:41:47,983
This is a play gun.
515
00:41:48,070 --> 00:41:49,594
That's all they had.
516
00:41:49,681 --> 00:41:51,247
During the middle of the trial,
517
00:41:51,334 --> 00:41:54,033
sort of an 11th-hour
moment, they
518
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,166
brought in a possibility of
where that weapon came from.
519
00:41:57,253 --> 00:42:01,519
Mr. Turpin, raise your right
hand and be ready to be sworn.
520
00:42:01,606 --> 00:42:04,043
Next thing we know, Blake's
on the witness stand,
521
00:42:04,130 --> 00:42:08,264
telling his bizarre story,
which is so convenient,
522
00:42:08,351 --> 00:42:09,875
the way it unfolded.
523
00:42:09,962 --> 00:42:12,027
Right in the middle of a
trial, you... all of a sudden,
524
00:42:12,051 --> 00:42:13,661
you have this ha-ha moment.
525
00:42:13,748 --> 00:42:15,620
How long have you
known Grant Amato?
526
00:42:15,707 --> 00:42:17,839
I've known Grant since
we were in high school,
527
00:42:17,926 --> 00:42:19,406
about 15 years.
528
00:42:19,493 --> 00:42:23,149
And specifically, did
you own an IWI Jericho
529
00:42:23,236 --> 00:42:25,238
9-millimeter 941 firearm?
530
00:42:25,325 --> 00:42:26,500
I did. Yes, sir.
531
00:42:26,587 --> 00:42:28,458
All of a sudden, the prosecution
532
00:42:28,546 --> 00:42:29,986
goes from not having
a murder weapon
533
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:31,592
and not knowing
where one might be
534
00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:33,725
to having a potential
murder weapon,
535
00:42:33,812 --> 00:42:36,858
not physically but
still the idea of one.
536
00:42:36,945 --> 00:42:39,861
At the end of May,
I decided to kind of
537
00:42:39,948 --> 00:42:41,559
do a bit of spring cleaning.
538
00:42:41,646 --> 00:42:44,431
I picked up the gun
boxes and noticed
539
00:42:44,518 --> 00:42:47,303
that the gun was missing.
540
00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:50,829
Grant had used the bathroom,
and adjacent to the bathroom,
541
00:42:50,916 --> 00:42:54,049
there was a closet where
Blake kept all his ammunition
542
00:42:54,136 --> 00:42:56,356
and his guns, things
of that nature.
543
00:42:56,443 --> 00:42:58,880
And I really
questioned the story,
544
00:42:58,967 --> 00:43:00,665
because six months
later, Blake's saying,
545
00:43:00,752 --> 00:43:02,014
I went upstairs.
546
00:43:02,101 --> 00:43:03,885
I noticed... I opened
up one of my gun cases,
547
00:43:03,972 --> 00:43:06,584
and the gun was missing.
548
00:43:06,671 --> 00:43:07,889
And this came out of nowhere.
549
00:43:07,976 --> 00:43:09,499
How often had he
checked that closet
550
00:43:09,587 --> 00:43:10,892
to see if it had been gone?
551
00:43:10,979 --> 00:43:11,893
Unclear.
552
00:43:11,980 --> 00:43:13,460
What kind of handle does
553
00:43:13,547 --> 00:43:15,462
Blake Turpin have
on his firearms?
554
00:43:15,549 --> 00:43:16,898
Doesn't seem like a lot of it.
555
00:43:16,985 --> 00:43:18,789
I tend to think it might
have been fabricated.
556
00:43:18,813 --> 00:43:20,510
Timing's just too incredulous.
557
00:43:20,598 --> 00:43:22,817
I just don't buy it.
558
00:43:22,904 --> 00:43:26,255
So just out of nowhere,
6 months later,
559
00:43:26,342 --> 00:43:30,651
30 days before the trial starts,
560
00:43:30,738 --> 00:43:34,046
you can't find a firearm that
you haven't seen in 12 months?
561
00:43:36,135 --> 00:43:37,571
That's correct.
562
00:43:37,658 --> 00:43:40,879
Would you call that
responsible gun ownership?
563
00:43:40,966 --> 00:43:43,098
There was no Jericho
pistol ever found.
564
00:43:43,185 --> 00:43:44,745
Where that pistol
is, if it does exist,
565
00:43:44,796 --> 00:43:46,841
is completely a
mystery at this point.
566
00:43:51,541 --> 00:43:53,021
Today prosecutors
and the defense
567
00:43:53,108 --> 00:43:54,675
delivered closing arguments.
568
00:43:54,762 --> 00:43:57,199
Grant Amato did not
testify this morning.
569
00:43:57,286 --> 00:44:01,160
If found guilty, he could
face the death penalty.
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