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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:24,984 --> 00:00:26,734 [Waukesha County Sheriff's Office] 2 00:00:26,777 --> 00:00:28,193 [June 15, 2015 10:40PM Waukesha, WI] 3 00:00:32,867 --> 00:00:35,576 - Man: Hey, Gypsy, this is Stan. - Stanley Hancock: Hi, Gypsy. 4 00:00:35,619 --> 00:00:37,453 - I'll let you guys talk. - Hi, I'm Det. Hancock. 5 00:00:37,496 --> 00:00:39,246 I'm with Greene County Sheriff's Office. 6 00:00:39,290 --> 00:00:40,914 - How are you today? - Gypsy: I'm doing good. 7 00:00:40,958 --> 00:00:41,957 Hancock: Good. 8 00:00:44,795 --> 00:00:46,253 Hancock: You need to be honest with me. 9 00:00:46,297 --> 00:00:48,547 And if you're involved in anything 10 00:00:48,591 --> 00:00:50,883 that I'm about ready to tell you, then you need to tell me, okay? 11 00:00:50,926 --> 00:00:54,219 - Absolutely. - Um, your mom's dead, okay? 12 00:00:54,263 --> 00:00:56,096 Now, what I want to ask you-- 13 00:00:56,140 --> 00:00:59,349 - Wait, what, what? - Your mom's passed away, okay? 14 00:00:59,393 --> 00:01:01,226 She's deceased, all right? 15 00:01:01,270 --> 00:01:02,936 Now, what I want to ask you-- 16 00:01:02,980 --> 00:01:05,230 did you have involvement in this? 17 00:01:05,274 --> 00:01:08,567 - Okay. - No, no-- 18 00:01:08,611 --> 00:01:10,903 Hang on, listen to me for just a second, okay? 19 00:01:10,946 --> 00:01:13,489 - Uh-huh. - What happened with your mom, that night? 20 00:01:14,867 --> 00:01:17,034 Um... 21 00:01:17,077 --> 00:01:19,453 I don't know what happened with my mom at all. 22 00:01:19,497 --> 00:01:20,954 - Help me. Please help me. - Okay, you... 23 00:01:20,998 --> 00:01:22,915 Just listen to me, okay, sweetheart? 24 00:01:22,958 --> 00:01:25,250 You know what happened to your mom, okay? 25 00:01:25,294 --> 00:01:27,753 And I know that you know. 26 00:01:27,797 --> 00:01:29,630 Gypsy: You think that it's me? 27 00:01:29,673 --> 00:01:31,465 Why would you think that it's me? 28 00:01:31,509 --> 00:01:33,217 I have always loved my mom. 29 00:01:33,260 --> 00:01:34,635 My mom and I are best friends. 30 00:01:34,678 --> 00:01:36,220 Hancock: Listen to me. 31 00:01:36,263 --> 00:01:37,805 Please don't dig yourself in this hole, 32 00:01:37,848 --> 00:01:39,556 and that's what you're doing. 33 00:01:41,310 --> 00:01:43,310 Gypsy: I really love my mom. 34 00:01:43,354 --> 00:01:44,895 - I know you do. - Please. 35 00:01:44,939 --> 00:01:47,689 I know you-- sweetheart, I know you love your mom. 36 00:01:47,733 --> 00:01:49,733 I have no doubt that you love your mom. 37 00:01:52,363 --> 00:01:53,946 Hancock: But why did Nick hurt her? 38 00:01:56,033 --> 00:01:58,116 Now's the time to be truthful, sweetheart. 39 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,744 No more lies. 40 00:02:00,788 --> 00:02:04,039 - Did you kill your mom? - Gypsy: No. No, sir. 41 00:02:04,083 --> 00:02:06,750 Hancock: Did you help Nicholas kill your mom? 42 00:02:08,170 --> 00:02:13,382 _ 43 00:02:14,635 --> 00:02:15,968 Man: Ladies and gentlemen, 44 00:02:16,011 --> 00:02:18,095 please welcome a cancer survivor 45 00:02:18,138 --> 00:02:22,140 and passionate young lady, Gypsy Rose Blanchard 46 00:02:22,184 --> 00:02:23,851 and her mother, Dee Dee Blanchard 47 00:02:23,894 --> 00:02:26,186 from Springfield, Missouri, to the stage. 48 00:02:26,230 --> 00:02:29,147 [Six years earlier] 49 00:02:32,361 --> 00:02:35,112 ♪ I believe ♪ 50 00:02:35,155 --> 00:02:40,450 ♪ There are angels among us ♪ 51 00:02:40,494 --> 00:02:42,703 ♪ Sent down to us ♪ 52 00:02:42,746 --> 00:02:45,497 ♪ From somewhere up above ♪ 53 00:02:45,541 --> 00:02:49,626 ♪ They come to you and me ♪ 54 00:02:49,670 --> 00:02:53,130 ♪ In our darkest hours. ♪ 55 00:02:56,260 --> 00:02:57,801 Dee Dee: Thank you, my sweetie. 56 00:02:57,845 --> 00:02:59,553 I've always said 57 00:02:59,597 --> 00:03:02,848 you're the reason I was born to be your mama. 58 00:03:05,978 --> 00:03:10,898 [SPRINGFIELD, MO] 59 00:03:10,941 --> 00:03:12,441 Reporter: Breaking news this morning. 60 00:03:12,484 --> 00:03:14,735 48-year-old Dee Dee Blanchard 61 00:03:14,778 --> 00:03:16,236 was found dead inside her home. 62 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,238 Her 19-year-old daughter Gypsy 63 00:03:18,282 --> 00:03:21,241 is still considered missing. 64 00:03:21,285 --> 00:03:23,076 Jim Arnott: It all started 65 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,370 receiving a call on June 14th 66 00:03:25,414 --> 00:03:28,040 to check the well-being of a family. 67 00:03:28,083 --> 00:03:29,124 [Greene County Sheriff] 68 00:03:30,461 --> 00:03:32,210 Linda Ong: Gypsy and Dee Dee 69 00:03:32,254 --> 00:03:35,422 were Hurricane Katrina survivors. 70 00:03:35,466 --> 00:03:38,383 Everybody believed that they were coming here 71 00:03:38,427 --> 00:03:39,760 to the Ozarks to make a better life. 72 00:03:39,803 --> 00:03:41,011 [Local news reporter Springfield, MO] 73 00:03:42,431 --> 00:03:43,722 Arnott: There was a Facebook post 74 00:03:43,766 --> 00:03:46,391 that was quite alarming. 75 00:03:46,435 --> 00:03:49,895 We were actually thinking that it was somebody that hacked into Facebook 76 00:03:49,939 --> 00:03:52,147 and it wasn't actually a threat. 77 00:03:52,191 --> 00:03:54,191 [WHAT?!!! Did your FB get hacked? I have never heard you talk like that.] 78 00:03:54,234 --> 00:03:56,944 Elaine Scherer: Gypsy was in a wheelchair. 79 00:03:56,987 --> 00:04:00,238 She had leukaemia and she was having seizures [Community Service Worker Aurora, MO] 80 00:04:00,282 --> 00:04:02,824 and she had to be tube-fed. 81 00:04:02,868 --> 00:04:05,160 Arnott: As the sheriff, my primary responsibility 82 00:04:05,204 --> 00:04:07,287 at that time was really to ensure 83 00:04:07,331 --> 00:04:10,415 that her well-being was okay. 84 00:04:10,459 --> 00:04:14,461 Whatever they were going through was incredibly hard for them, 85 00:04:14,505 --> 00:04:16,922 especially with the medical conditions. [Gypsy's neighbor and friend] 86 00:04:16,966 --> 00:04:20,384 And so, everybody gathered around them 87 00:04:20,427 --> 00:04:23,553 and would try to help them out as much as possible. 88 00:04:23,597 --> 00:04:26,139 It just proves that happy endings 89 00:04:26,183 --> 00:04:29,643 are not just in fairy tales, they're real. 90 00:04:33,482 --> 00:04:36,358 The Facebook post was quote... 91 00:04:38,112 --> 00:04:40,445 "The bitch is dead." 92 00:04:40,489 --> 00:04:43,115 And another post stating, 93 00:04:43,158 --> 00:04:44,950 "I fucking slashed that fat pig 94 00:04:44,994 --> 00:04:46,952 and raped her sweet, innocent daughter. 95 00:04:46,996 --> 00:04:50,539 Her scream was so fucking loud, LOL." 96 00:04:50,582 --> 00:04:51,665 [Green County Sheriff's Office] 97 00:04:51,709 --> 00:04:56,586 [June 16, 2015] 98 00:04:58,173 --> 00:05:00,924 Okay, good morning. 99 00:05:00,968 --> 00:05:03,802 I want to specify at the beginning of this press conference 100 00:05:03,846 --> 00:05:07,848 that this is an ongoing investigation. 101 00:05:07,891 --> 00:05:11,309 And I want to start off with saying 102 00:05:11,353 --> 00:05:14,813 things are not always as they appear. 103 00:05:14,857 --> 00:05:17,065 The truth is-- okay, I'll admit it. [Gypsy's boyfriend] 104 00:05:17,109 --> 00:05:20,360 I did actually... 105 00:05:20,404 --> 00:05:21,695 stab her. 106 00:05:21,739 --> 00:05:23,947 - I will admit it. - I know, okay. 107 00:05:23,991 --> 00:05:27,492 The only reason I did it is 'cause I did it for me and her. 108 00:05:27,536 --> 00:05:30,537 - I would've never did it if it was not for me and her. - Okay. 109 00:05:30,581 --> 00:05:33,665 I know that he loves me, and... 110 00:05:33,709 --> 00:05:36,293 he would do anything for me 111 00:05:36,336 --> 00:05:38,295 and-- to be with me. 112 00:05:38,338 --> 00:05:42,174 Did Gypsy know that you were going to kill her mother? 113 00:05:42,217 --> 00:05:47,054 Um... honestly, 114 00:05:47,097 --> 00:05:48,847 she asked me to. 115 00:05:48,891 --> 00:05:49,973 Okay. 116 00:05:50,017 --> 00:05:51,558 [The bitch is dead] 117 00:05:51,602 --> 00:05:53,351 Arnott: Both Facebook postings 118 00:05:53,395 --> 00:05:56,188 were authored by Gypsy. 119 00:05:56,231 --> 00:05:57,564 [I fucken slashed that fat pig and raped her sweet innocent daughter...] 120 00:05:57,608 --> 00:05:58,982 [Her scream was soooo fucken loud LOL] 121 00:05:59,026 --> 00:06:01,526 The prosecutor has filed charges this morning 122 00:06:01,570 --> 00:06:04,237 for first-degree murder. 123 00:06:04,281 --> 00:06:06,907 This is a tragic, tragic event 124 00:06:06,950 --> 00:06:12,913 surrounded by mystery and public deception. 125 00:06:12,956 --> 00:06:15,082 Gypsy can walk without assistance 126 00:06:15,125 --> 00:06:16,708 or a wheelchair... 127 00:06:18,420 --> 00:06:20,128 and she can do that very well. 128 00:06:27,179 --> 00:06:29,638 Okay. 129 00:06:37,856 --> 00:06:42,275 [Gypsy’s arraignment June 16, 2015] 130 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:45,612 This individual has alleged 131 00:06:45,656 --> 00:06:48,115 to conspire with Nicholas Godejohn 132 00:06:48,158 --> 00:06:50,075 to stab her mother to death 133 00:06:50,119 --> 00:06:52,410 so that they could be together. 134 00:06:52,454 --> 00:06:55,831 - The penalty is life imprisonment or death. (sobbing) 135 00:06:59,628 --> 00:07:02,254 Reporter: Seeing Gypsy Blanchard walk on her own two feet 136 00:07:02,297 --> 00:07:05,340 in a Wisconsin courtroom was a shock to friends and neighbors. 137 00:07:05,384 --> 00:07:07,717 [Gypsy's neighbor] Is she sick? 138 00:07:07,761 --> 00:07:09,427 I don't know yet. 139 00:07:09,471 --> 00:07:10,804 We're trying to figure that out. 140 00:07:10,848 --> 00:07:11,805 [Can she walk?] 141 00:07:11,849 --> 00:07:15,142 Um, yes. 142 00:07:15,185 --> 00:07:17,352 Oh, son of a bitch. 143 00:07:18,647 --> 00:07:21,022 To see her walk... 144 00:07:22,776 --> 00:07:24,442 was really upsetting. 145 00:07:26,363 --> 00:07:28,029 Obviously, if that's a lie, 146 00:07:28,073 --> 00:07:30,782 then who knows what else was a lie. 147 00:07:30,826 --> 00:07:34,035 We really don't know the true background of this family, 148 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:35,495 as we have unearthed the appearance 149 00:07:35,539 --> 00:07:37,873 of a long financial fraud scheme. 150 00:07:37,916 --> 00:07:39,875 Reporter: The family got medical airlifts, 151 00:07:39,918 --> 00:07:42,377 Disney travel, and free housing over the years 152 00:07:42,421 --> 00:07:45,380 because of Gypsy's supposed disabilities. 153 00:07:45,424 --> 00:07:48,508 Reporter #2: It was a facade that translated online, 154 00:07:48,552 --> 00:07:50,051 [The Gypsy Rose trip] donations pouring in 155 00:07:50,095 --> 00:07:51,970 for Gypsy's reported muscular dystrophy 156 00:07:52,014 --> 00:07:53,930 and leukaemia. 157 00:07:53,974 --> 00:07:55,473 [Click here to support Gypsy's medical trip by Dee and Gypsy Rose Blanchard] 158 00:07:55,517 --> 00:07:59,394 Arnott: We have not confirmed the age of Gypsy. 159 00:07:59,438 --> 00:08:01,563 It appears that there are several dates of birth 160 00:08:01,607 --> 00:08:04,441 that have been used over a period of time. 161 00:08:04,484 --> 00:08:07,152 I almost want to say, "Man, I can't believe she-- 162 00:08:07,196 --> 00:08:10,906 I even wanted to associate with-- why did I even help them?" 163 00:08:10,949 --> 00:08:13,283 I just never would see that that little girl 164 00:08:13,327 --> 00:08:15,619 really wasn't who she was supposed to be. 165 00:08:22,961 --> 00:08:27,797 [July 24, 2015] 166 00:08:27,841 --> 00:08:32,469 [The prosecution presents its preliminary evidence against Gypsy.] 167 00:08:33,513 --> 00:08:36,389 Case exhibit 53. 168 00:08:36,433 --> 00:08:39,017 Can I ask you if you'll tell me what that is? 169 00:08:39,061 --> 00:08:40,560 Dan Patterson: Miss Blanchard is charged 170 00:08:40,604 --> 00:08:42,312 with murder in the first degree. 171 00:08:44,233 --> 00:08:45,774 When you commit a first-degree murder, [Greene County Prosecutor] 172 00:08:45,817 --> 00:08:48,026 you knowingly cause the death of another person 173 00:08:48,070 --> 00:08:49,653 after deliberation. 174 00:08:49,696 --> 00:08:52,614 Analysis of cell phones 175 00:08:52,658 --> 00:08:55,450 provided evidence of numerous text messages 176 00:08:55,494 --> 00:08:58,119 between Gypsy Blanchard and Nicholas Godejohn. 177 00:08:59,706 --> 00:09:01,539 Patterson: Nicholas Godejohn was someone 178 00:09:01,583 --> 00:09:04,459 that Gypsy Blanchard met online. 179 00:09:04,503 --> 00:09:08,088 They began an online dating relationship. 180 00:09:08,131 --> 00:09:10,674 Patterson: During the attacks, the two discussed 181 00:09:10,717 --> 00:09:14,177 Nicholas killing Clauddine. 182 00:09:14,221 --> 00:09:16,137 [The shits gonna go down tonight...] 183 00:09:20,310 --> 00:09:24,187 [Babe its my evil side doing it] 184 00:09:24,231 --> 00:09:28,066 [he won't mess up because he enjoys killing] 185 00:09:28,110 --> 00:09:31,111 [...we'll be happy soon.] 186 00:09:31,154 --> 00:09:34,489 [After this night we will never bring it up] 187 00:09:34,533 --> 00:09:36,408 At the beginning, it looks like a tabloid case. 188 00:09:36,451 --> 00:09:39,452 It looks like, "Here's some people in some weird outfits, 189 00:09:39,496 --> 00:09:42,706 and they're pretending to be disabled and they're scamming everybody. 190 00:09:42,749 --> 00:09:44,624 And then there's this, like, sort of horrible murder, 191 00:09:44,668 --> 00:09:46,960 and the Facebook status, 'That bitch is dead.'" [Freelance Journalist] 192 00:09:47,004 --> 00:09:49,921 Like, all of it is very tabloid. [The New Yorker, Buzzfeed] 193 00:09:49,965 --> 00:09:53,383 And then, gradually, that story just sort of fell apart. 194 00:09:55,846 --> 00:09:59,556 Still, it feels to me like it's developing into something else. 195 00:09:59,599 --> 00:10:01,933 [Lafourche Parish, LA Gypsy's hometown] 196 00:10:12,863 --> 00:10:17,866 [Gypsy's father Dee Dee's ex-husband] 197 00:10:17,909 --> 00:10:19,284 I still ask the question, 198 00:10:19,328 --> 00:10:21,119 "How do you kill your own mother?" 199 00:10:21,163 --> 00:10:22,620 I mean, there's got to be a reason. 200 00:10:22,664 --> 00:10:24,122 There's got to be some abuse there. 201 00:10:24,166 --> 00:10:26,207 You don't just... "I'm gonna kill my mother 202 00:10:26,251 --> 00:10:28,001 because I wanna be with a boyfriend." 203 00:10:28,045 --> 00:10:29,753 Like I told my mom when I called my mom 204 00:10:29,796 --> 00:10:31,671 and talked to her about it. 205 00:10:31,715 --> 00:10:35,008 I said, "Mama, I've been-- you know, I was mad at you before, 206 00:10:35,052 --> 00:10:38,636 but I've never, ever in a million years 207 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:40,764 thought about killing you." 208 00:10:40,807 --> 00:10:43,808 I said, "For me to think about killing you, 209 00:10:43,852 --> 00:10:47,771 you'd have had to done some pretty bad stuff to me." 210 00:10:47,814 --> 00:10:50,523 Nobody wants to believe that something like this can happen. 211 00:10:50,567 --> 00:10:52,025 [Gypsy's lawyer Missouri Public Defender] 212 00:10:52,069 --> 00:10:54,319 I think the initial reaction is-- 213 00:10:54,363 --> 00:10:57,697 is that, you know, Gypsy's been lying to everybody. 214 00:10:57,741 --> 00:11:00,867 But when you look at the backstory, 215 00:11:00,911 --> 00:11:03,536 when you look at how we got here, 216 00:11:03,580 --> 00:11:05,622 this all started long before Gypsy 217 00:11:05,665 --> 00:11:10,168 would've ever had any type of say in what was happening. 218 00:11:10,212 --> 00:11:15,757 [Gypsy, 3 months old] 219 00:11:17,844 --> 00:11:20,303 Right from birth, three months old. 220 00:11:20,347 --> 00:11:24,808 Dee Dee was telling me that she had sleep apnea 221 00:11:24,851 --> 00:11:27,644 and she needed a breathing machine 222 00:11:27,687 --> 00:11:30,730 or breathing monitor machine, 223 00:11:30,774 --> 00:11:33,274 which, I mean, I-- to this day, 224 00:11:33,318 --> 00:11:35,777 I don't know if that was real or not, you know? 225 00:11:35,821 --> 00:11:37,570 It escalated from then. 226 00:11:37,614 --> 00:11:41,199 Problems with her eyes, her hearing, 227 00:11:41,243 --> 00:11:42,951 her digestive system. 228 00:11:45,831 --> 00:11:48,206 After that, Gypsy couldn't walk anymore. 229 00:11:48,250 --> 00:11:51,501 She had a muscular disorder. 230 00:11:51,545 --> 00:11:55,004 [Gypsy, 10 years old] 231 00:11:55,048 --> 00:11:57,715 And Dee Dee told me she would need a wheelchair. 232 00:11:57,759 --> 00:12:00,385 You know, I asked her. I said, "Man, she's got a lot of issues. 233 00:12:00,429 --> 00:12:03,430 What's going on?" You know, and, um... 234 00:12:03,473 --> 00:12:06,182 They had done some tests and found out she had a chromosome disorder 235 00:12:06,226 --> 00:12:10,311 that was causing all of her functions from developing-- 236 00:12:10,355 --> 00:12:12,564 her digestive system and her muscular system. 237 00:12:16,528 --> 00:12:18,695 Dee Dee told me she's not going to live 238 00:12:18,738 --> 00:12:21,573 to be, you know, 18 years old. 239 00:12:21,616 --> 00:12:25,368 She may be an old teenager, that's about it. 240 00:12:25,412 --> 00:12:27,370 You know, I was like, "Really?" 241 00:12:27,414 --> 00:12:30,790 You know, it was shocking, it was disturbing. 242 00:12:30,834 --> 00:12:33,251 And to see her at 23 years old now, 243 00:12:33,295 --> 00:12:36,171 perfectly healthy-- 244 00:12:36,214 --> 00:12:39,549 It pisses me off, you know? 245 00:12:43,763 --> 00:12:45,763 [Gypsy's stepmother] 246 00:12:51,313 --> 00:12:53,605 Kristy: This picture here... 247 00:12:53,648 --> 00:12:58,693 I don't know if this was the surgery 248 00:12:58,737 --> 00:13:01,112 where she thought her stomach lining 249 00:13:01,156 --> 00:13:02,947 wrapped around her oesophagus. 250 00:13:02,991 --> 00:13:04,991 Rod: No, she would've had that earlier. 251 00:13:05,035 --> 00:13:08,411 She had that feeding tube way before then. 252 00:13:08,455 --> 00:13:09,871 You know? 253 00:13:09,915 --> 00:13:11,789 She was 10 here. 254 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,837 Rod: This was probably close to the first year or two 255 00:13:17,881 --> 00:13:20,381 when she was in a wheelchair. 256 00:13:20,425 --> 00:13:21,758 Yep. 257 00:13:23,094 --> 00:13:25,386 Breaks my heart... 258 00:13:25,430 --> 00:13:27,055 knowing she got put through all of this 259 00:13:27,098 --> 00:13:28,723 when she didn't need it. 260 00:13:31,019 --> 00:13:32,810 Fourteen years. 261 00:13:34,648 --> 00:13:36,606 To be confined. 262 00:13:37,734 --> 00:13:40,068 The last 14 years in a wheelchair. 263 00:13:40,111 --> 00:13:41,736 I couldn't imagine. 264 00:13:47,536 --> 00:13:50,203 Stanfield: I've never encountered anything 265 00:13:50,247 --> 00:13:53,289 that is even close to what Gypsy has gone through. 266 00:13:55,502 --> 00:13:58,336 Her mother appeared to have taken great steps 267 00:13:58,380 --> 00:14:02,340 to keep Gypsy in a very juvenile role, 268 00:14:02,384 --> 00:14:06,844 making her act several years younger than her actual age. 269 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,640 It appears that Gypsy was not even aware 270 00:14:10,684 --> 00:14:12,850 of what her actual age was. 271 00:14:14,646 --> 00:14:16,479 Rod: I called her for her 18th birthday, 272 00:14:16,523 --> 00:14:19,315 and Dee Dee said, "Don't tell her she's 18, you know?" 273 00:14:19,359 --> 00:14:20,942 I'm like, "What you mean don't tell her she's 18? 274 00:14:20,986 --> 00:14:23,278 She knows she's 18. It's her 18th birthday." 275 00:14:23,321 --> 00:14:25,154 "Yeah, but she don't know she's 18. 276 00:14:25,198 --> 00:14:26,447 She's-- you know." 277 00:14:26,491 --> 00:14:28,032 I thought it was weird, you know? 278 00:14:28,076 --> 00:14:29,576 I-- she-- 279 00:14:29,619 --> 00:14:32,453 I mean, I always did know that she-- 280 00:14:32,497 --> 00:14:34,622 she told me her mental capacity was, 281 00:14:34,666 --> 00:14:35,915 you know, like, five years behind. 282 00:14:35,959 --> 00:14:37,959 When she was, like, 15, she was like, 283 00:14:38,003 --> 00:14:40,295 "Oh, yeah, her learning is coming along, 284 00:14:40,338 --> 00:14:44,173 but she's like, mentally, at a 9- or 10-year-old." 285 00:14:44,217 --> 00:14:47,635 Kristy: She looks like she would be 10 and 11, 286 00:14:47,679 --> 00:14:51,180 and she was probably like, 21, 22. 287 00:14:52,434 --> 00:14:54,350 I wonder what she was thinking. 288 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,440 Hello, everybody! This is Gypsy Rose 289 00:15:00,483 --> 00:15:02,650 reporting from Aurora, Missouri. 290 00:15:02,694 --> 00:15:05,361 I'm about to dive off our porch [Dee Dee's home movies] 291 00:15:05,405 --> 00:15:07,655 into the pile of snow. 292 00:15:07,699 --> 00:15:09,157 You ready? 293 00:15:12,704 --> 00:15:14,704 That was so grand! 294 00:15:14,748 --> 00:15:16,289 Whoo! 295 00:15:16,333 --> 00:15:17,915 All right! 296 00:15:17,959 --> 00:15:20,001 Yooh! 297 00:15:20,045 --> 00:15:21,294 Yeah! 298 00:15:21,338 --> 00:15:22,045 [A special day] 299 00:15:24,007 --> 00:15:26,841 That's so cool. Let's do it again. 300 00:15:26,885 --> 00:15:28,384 Dean: It's hard to answer a lot questions 301 00:15:28,428 --> 00:15:30,053 about who Gypsy is, right? 302 00:15:30,096 --> 00:15:32,472 Because she was somebody else for such a long time. 303 00:15:32,515 --> 00:15:34,682 Dean: And now we know her 304 00:15:34,726 --> 00:15:36,768 as almost a completely different person. 305 00:15:36,811 --> 00:15:40,438 - Erin Lee Carr: I'm Erin, as you remember. - I remember. 306 00:15:40,482 --> 00:15:43,858 Dean: I would be curious if anybody Gypsy has talked to 307 00:15:43,902 --> 00:15:46,694 feels they're getting the full story. 308 00:15:46,738 --> 00:15:51,074 This is actually kind of the first time I've been honest 309 00:15:51,117 --> 00:15:54,410 besides being honest, you know, with my attorneys. 310 00:15:54,454 --> 00:15:58,081 Even then, I haven't been completely honest with them, so... 311 00:16:00,585 --> 00:16:02,669 Carr: How would you describe your mom? 312 00:16:02,712 --> 00:16:04,253 Um... 313 00:16:08,426 --> 00:16:10,218 Unique. 314 00:16:10,261 --> 00:16:13,012 Um... 315 00:16:13,056 --> 00:16:14,389 I mean, I used to always think 316 00:16:14,432 --> 00:16:16,891 that maybe she was a little overprotective. 317 00:16:16,935 --> 00:16:20,228 So, if I had to say one word about her, 318 00:16:20,271 --> 00:16:23,231 it would be overprotective. 319 00:16:23,274 --> 00:16:24,399 Dee Dee: How old are you? 320 00:16:24,442 --> 00:16:25,692 [Gypsy, 1 year old] 321 00:16:25,735 --> 00:16:26,859 (Dee Dee's voice offscreen) You're one. 322 00:16:26,903 --> 00:16:29,070 And where's your cranial? 323 00:16:29,114 --> 00:16:32,115 Very good. And where's your phalanges? 324 00:16:32,158 --> 00:16:35,576 Yes. Very, very good. 325 00:16:35,620 --> 00:16:40,540 I really didn't think any abuse was going on. 326 00:16:40,583 --> 00:16:43,710 Um... it's like when you're abused, 327 00:16:43,753 --> 00:16:45,753 but you've lived that way your whole life. 328 00:16:45,797 --> 00:16:48,464 You don't really know that you're being abused. 329 00:16:48,508 --> 00:16:50,883 You don't know any different. 330 00:16:50,927 --> 00:16:54,762 Looking at the open ocean now. 331 00:16:54,806 --> 00:16:57,014 And it's beautiful! 332 00:16:59,144 --> 00:17:01,060 Gypsy: I knew that I was different 333 00:17:01,104 --> 00:17:04,063 or my life was different from other kids'. 334 00:17:04,107 --> 00:17:07,608 But people thought of us, as, you know, 335 00:17:07,652 --> 00:17:11,738 the sweetest mother-daughter family ever. 336 00:17:11,781 --> 00:17:13,948 The best two people in the world. 337 00:17:16,453 --> 00:17:18,244 Carr: What illnesses did your mom 338 00:17:18,288 --> 00:17:20,747 say that you had? 339 00:17:20,790 --> 00:17:22,373 Um... 340 00:17:22,417 --> 00:17:26,878 Asthma, epilepsy, hearing impaired, 341 00:17:26,921 --> 00:17:30,882 vision impaired, fed with a feeding tube, 342 00:17:30,925 --> 00:17:34,135 paralyzed from the waist down. 343 00:17:34,179 --> 00:17:35,678 Um... 344 00:17:35,722 --> 00:17:39,807 slow, so retardation. 345 00:17:39,851 --> 00:17:41,350 And-- among other things, 346 00:17:41,394 --> 00:17:43,352 I just can't remember them. 347 00:17:44,272 --> 00:17:45,438 [Gypsy Rose's diagnosis] 348 00:17:45,482 --> 00:17:47,607 [List of conditions Dee Dee gave to doctors] 349 00:17:47,650 --> 00:17:53,529 [G.I. reflux, anemia, hyperventilation, incontinence, lung disease, heart murmur] 350 00:17:53,573 --> 00:17:58,785 [Dee Dee's medical closet] 351 00:17:58,828 --> 00:18:01,204 Gypsy: I was on breathing medication. 352 00:18:02,957 --> 00:18:05,082 Medication for seizures. 353 00:18:05,126 --> 00:18:08,503 Medication to help go to the bathroom. 354 00:18:08,546 --> 00:18:12,215 Pain medication, anxiety medication. 355 00:18:13,551 --> 00:18:16,219 Just everything. 356 00:18:16,262 --> 00:18:20,681 I would have to put on the breathing machine every night. 357 00:18:20,725 --> 00:18:22,850 I hated it, though, because it seemed to make 358 00:18:22,894 --> 00:18:24,685 my breathing worse, not better. 359 00:18:27,357 --> 00:18:31,150 And then another machine was for the feeding tube. 360 00:18:31,194 --> 00:18:34,862 It was controlling what I'd eat. 361 00:18:34,906 --> 00:18:39,283 My medications would be put through there. 362 00:18:39,327 --> 00:18:41,452 I really wouldn't even have to be awake. 363 00:18:41,496 --> 00:18:44,288 So, she could put whatever in my body, 364 00:18:44,332 --> 00:18:46,040 and I wouldn't even know. 365 00:18:49,254 --> 00:18:50,336 [Dee Dee and Gypsy on one of their medical trips] 366 00:18:50,380 --> 00:18:51,838 Dee Dee: Hey, you make me wanna yawn. 367 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,843 So, where are you going today? 368 00:18:56,886 --> 00:19:00,346 I'm going to Children's Mercy Hospital 369 00:19:00,390 --> 00:19:03,266 to see my dentist. 370 00:19:03,309 --> 00:19:05,059 For my teeth. 371 00:19:06,145 --> 00:19:07,478 And we'll be back. 372 00:19:07,522 --> 00:19:09,981 And we'll be back soon. 373 00:19:10,024 --> 00:19:12,608 Not yet. 374 00:19:13,653 --> 00:19:15,736 [According to medical records,] 375 00:19:15,780 --> 00:19:17,822 [Dee Dee brought Gypsy to local hospitals] 376 00:19:17,866 --> 00:19:20,074 [over 100 times between 2005 and 2014.] 377 00:19:22,954 --> 00:19:24,871 Gypsy: If we'd be going to the doctor, 378 00:19:24,914 --> 00:19:27,248 she would do all the talking. 379 00:19:27,292 --> 00:19:29,083 I'd always have a stuffed animal 380 00:19:29,127 --> 00:19:32,003 or a Barbie doll. 381 00:19:32,046 --> 00:19:35,172 She'd just tell me just play with my Barbie doll. 382 00:19:36,843 --> 00:19:39,468 And if the doctor would come to examine me-- 383 00:19:39,512 --> 00:19:41,304 "Just stay in the wheelchair, 384 00:19:41,347 --> 00:19:43,931 be calm, play with your doll, 385 00:19:43,975 --> 00:19:45,892 and don't move your legs." 386 00:19:45,935 --> 00:19:50,313 [Gypsy underwent multiple surgeries during her hospital visits.] 387 00:19:52,317 --> 00:19:53,691 [They included gastrointestinal operations,] 388 00:19:53,735 --> 00:19:55,318 [eye procedures, and the removal] 389 00:19:55,361 --> 00:19:56,986 [of her salivary glands.] 390 00:19:57,030 --> 00:19:59,947 I was just as much in the dark as everybody else. 391 00:19:59,991 --> 00:20:02,491 The only thing I knew is that I could walk. 392 00:20:02,535 --> 00:20:04,035 As for everything else, 393 00:20:04,078 --> 00:20:06,996 you had the leukaemia and the epilepsy. 394 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,372 I was taking medication 395 00:20:08,416 --> 00:20:10,499 that she said was cancer medicine. 396 00:20:10,543 --> 00:20:12,293 She would shave my head and say, 397 00:20:12,337 --> 00:20:13,961 "Well, it's going to fall out anyway, 398 00:20:14,005 --> 00:20:17,256 so let's just keep it nice and neat." 399 00:20:17,300 --> 00:20:21,385 I just went on blind faith that a mother knows best. 400 00:20:21,429 --> 00:20:25,181 [The medications Dee Dee gave Gypsy induced many of the symptoms 401 00:20:25,224 --> 00:20:28,684 [of diseases doctors thought they were treating.] 402 00:20:30,396 --> 00:20:35,232 You're supposed to love and protect your children. 403 00:20:35,276 --> 00:20:37,443 How could you do this to your child? 404 00:20:37,487 --> 00:20:40,655 Dr. Marc Feldman: Gypsy Rose Blanchard 405 00:20:40,698 --> 00:20:42,782 [Skype interview] was as consistently 406 00:20:42,825 --> 00:20:46,410 and viciously subjected to, [Clinical Psychologist] 407 00:20:46,454 --> 00:20:48,579 in my opinion, Munchausen by proxy [Munchausen expert] 408 00:20:48,623 --> 00:20:50,623 as anyone I've come across. 409 00:20:50,667 --> 00:20:53,542 Munchausen by proxy involves a caregiver [Munchausen by Proxy Syndrome] 410 00:20:53,586 --> 00:20:59,215 who either feigns or actually induces illness in her children. 411 00:20:59,258 --> 00:21:03,010 And her goal is some kind of emotional gratification-- 412 00:21:03,054 --> 00:21:07,348 looking for sympathy, attention, care, 413 00:21:07,392 --> 00:21:11,268 concern that she feels unable to get in any other way. 414 00:21:11,312 --> 00:21:15,856 It is a form of child abuse, first and foremost. 415 00:21:15,900 --> 00:21:18,025 Gypsy: The earliest surgery that I can remember 416 00:21:18,069 --> 00:21:20,695 probably would be 417 00:21:20,738 --> 00:21:23,864 having my feeding tube put in. 418 00:21:25,535 --> 00:21:27,702 You have to have it constantly changed, 419 00:21:27,745 --> 00:21:29,537 like every six months. 420 00:21:29,580 --> 00:21:31,080 And that would be pretty painful, 421 00:21:31,124 --> 00:21:33,207 because they don't put you under anaesthesia, 422 00:21:33,251 --> 00:21:35,543 they just take you in the emergency room, 423 00:21:35,586 --> 00:21:38,212 rip the old one out, and put a new one in. 424 00:21:38,256 --> 00:21:41,882 I don't know why these procedures were done 425 00:21:41,926 --> 00:21:46,262 or how her mother was able to convince the doctors. 426 00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:47,805 "Mind-boggling" is the only way 427 00:21:47,849 --> 00:21:52,268 I can put her ability to manipulate people. 428 00:22:02,864 --> 00:22:05,489 Basically, each one of these paperclips 429 00:22:05,533 --> 00:22:09,785 is some medical record 430 00:22:09,829 --> 00:22:13,164 where Dee Dee essentially lied 431 00:22:13,207 --> 00:22:15,124 to the doctor about something. 432 00:22:15,168 --> 00:22:17,043 Mentally, Gypsy is behind. 433 00:22:17,086 --> 00:22:18,502 She's at the level of a seven-year-old 434 00:22:18,546 --> 00:22:20,212 on mother's information. 435 00:22:20,256 --> 00:22:22,214 And this is something that you see 436 00:22:22,258 --> 00:22:24,717 almost across all of the records, 437 00:22:24,761 --> 00:22:29,263 is "Upon mother's information," "Upon history by mother." 438 00:22:29,307 --> 00:22:32,224 So she's talking to the doctor here and she's talking about 439 00:22:32,268 --> 00:22:35,978 how she has mental and developmental delays, needs assistance. 440 00:22:36,022 --> 00:22:39,231 Apparently, "while holding her hands over Gypsy's ears, 441 00:22:39,275 --> 00:22:42,359 so as not offend, history of mental retardation-- 442 00:22:42,403 --> 00:22:44,570 seven-year-old level, per mom." 443 00:22:44,614 --> 00:22:49,450 And so, this was the one time where a doctor actually put in the record 444 00:22:49,494 --> 00:22:52,661 that Dee Dee's got her hands over Gypsy's ears, 445 00:22:52,705 --> 00:22:56,290 so Gypsy can't even hear what Mom is telling the doctor. 446 00:22:56,334 --> 00:22:58,292 Then we get into the family history. 447 00:22:58,336 --> 00:23:00,127 The family history changed 448 00:23:00,171 --> 00:23:03,005 depending on what doctor she was at. 449 00:23:03,049 --> 00:23:06,050 You'll notice here, we don't get a whole lot of... 450 00:23:06,094 --> 00:23:08,427 - She's at the cardiologist. - Right, she's at the cardiologist, 451 00:23:08,471 --> 00:23:10,596 and so they all died of a heart attack. 452 00:23:12,058 --> 00:23:14,975 Now, this was the first one that jumped out at me. 453 00:23:16,854 --> 00:23:18,854 She ends up going to the neurologist, 454 00:23:18,898 --> 00:23:22,191 Dr. Flasterstein, and so... 455 00:23:22,235 --> 00:23:25,945 the very first thing right off the bat-- "Mother is not a good historian," 456 00:23:25,988 --> 00:23:30,908 which is interesting, because he puts that in bold and underlines it. 457 00:23:30,952 --> 00:23:33,369 Dr. Flasterstein: One of the things that was a big discrepancy 458 00:23:33,412 --> 00:23:36,372 was that for a person that has not walked 459 00:23:36,415 --> 00:23:38,874 for nine years, for years, 460 00:23:38,918 --> 00:23:41,168 she should have, technically, 461 00:23:41,212 --> 00:23:44,463 almost no muscles in her lower extremities. 462 00:23:44,507 --> 00:23:49,009 But she did have muscles that looked quite normal. 463 00:23:49,053 --> 00:23:51,595 And she was able to support her body weight. 464 00:23:51,639 --> 00:23:54,098 I remember her standing. 465 00:23:54,142 --> 00:23:57,309 So, I had a big doubt about the whole thing, from the beginning. 466 00:23:57,353 --> 00:24:00,396 Stanfield: He says, "Since last seen, 467 00:24:00,439 --> 00:24:03,524 I managed to talk to one of her previous providers. 468 00:24:03,568 --> 00:24:07,319 She specifically remembers Gypsy Rose and mentioned that her previous neurologist 469 00:24:07,363 --> 00:24:12,241 clearly reported the fact that Gypsy does not have muscular dystrophy. 470 00:24:12,285 --> 00:24:15,327 Analyzing all the facts, and after talking to her previous paediatrician, 471 00:24:15,371 --> 00:24:18,622 - there's a strong possibility of Munchausen by proxy..." - What? 472 00:24:18,666 --> 00:24:22,626 ...with maybe some underlying, unknown ideology to explain her symptoms." 473 00:24:28,092 --> 00:24:32,553 Once in a while, we report patients to Social Services. 474 00:24:32,597 --> 00:24:36,265 We do that when we feel that there's a neglect. 475 00:24:36,309 --> 00:24:39,393 But a neglect is different from what this mom was doing. 476 00:24:39,437 --> 00:24:41,145 She wasn't really neglecting her, 477 00:24:41,189 --> 00:24:44,231 she was over-treating her. 478 00:24:44,275 --> 00:24:46,400 We have a system, 479 00:24:46,444 --> 00:24:48,402 which is a big integrated system, 480 00:24:48,446 --> 00:24:52,198 that decided to adopt her and bring her, support her. 481 00:24:52,241 --> 00:24:55,117 So many people looking at her, 482 00:24:55,161 --> 00:24:58,204 knowing the history, knowing what she was going through, 483 00:24:58,247 --> 00:25:00,539 knowing what she went through, 484 00:25:00,583 --> 00:25:03,042 I would have been rejected on the spot. 485 00:25:03,085 --> 00:25:05,544 So all that I could do was put that in my notes. 486 00:25:05,588 --> 00:25:08,714 Nobody in the system ever said anything about it, 487 00:25:08,758 --> 00:25:11,383 and I didn't see it right to keep going 488 00:25:11,427 --> 00:25:16,013 in convincing other people that something is not right here. 489 00:25:16,057 --> 00:25:18,307 - Now... - Un-freakin'-believable. 490 00:25:18,351 --> 00:25:21,185 ...here's the interesting thing. 491 00:25:21,229 --> 00:25:23,812 This is the last record 492 00:25:23,856 --> 00:25:27,399 from Mercy, here in Springfield, until 2015. 493 00:25:27,443 --> 00:25:28,943 So, this is 2007. 494 00:25:28,986 --> 00:25:30,819 Rod: Eight years. 495 00:25:30,863 --> 00:25:35,241 What I couldn't figure out was how Dee Dee figured out 496 00:25:35,284 --> 00:25:37,952 that Dr. Flasterstein was on to her. 497 00:25:37,995 --> 00:25:40,496 But if you look at a lot of these social work notes, 498 00:25:40,539 --> 00:25:44,166 Dee Dee's requesting medical records. 499 00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:46,710 She would have gotten a copy of this letter. 500 00:25:46,754 --> 00:25:50,130 But I still don't understand 501 00:25:50,174 --> 00:25:54,677 why you put your child through this. 502 00:25:56,097 --> 00:25:58,889 I don't know. I mean, the thing is... 503 00:25:58,933 --> 00:26:01,600 - Good question. - ...it just keeps going. 504 00:26:01,644 --> 00:26:03,477 And it would have kept going 505 00:26:03,521 --> 00:26:10,234 ‘Cause her mama was an insane, compulsive liar. 506 00:26:19,662 --> 00:26:23,455 Rod: Dee Dee and I met at the bowling alley one night. 507 00:26:23,499 --> 00:26:26,125 Met up again a couple of weeks later. 508 00:26:26,168 --> 00:26:29,795 And then we started dating then. 509 00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:30,921 She got pregnant. 510 00:26:30,965 --> 00:26:33,799 She got pregnant and... 511 00:26:33,843 --> 00:26:36,677 being from the South, I guess, it was-- 512 00:26:36,721 --> 00:26:39,388 I was raised where if you got a girl pregnant, 513 00:26:39,432 --> 00:26:41,015 then you got married. 514 00:26:41,058 --> 00:26:43,392 There was no other question about what you did. 515 00:26:45,396 --> 00:26:47,021 I was 17. 516 00:26:49,025 --> 00:26:50,816 I woke up on my 18th birthday 517 00:26:50,860 --> 00:26:53,402 and I'm like, "What am I doing here?" 518 00:26:55,656 --> 00:26:57,239 She was kind of into some dark-- 519 00:26:57,283 --> 00:26:58,949 darkness-- dark things. 520 00:26:58,993 --> 00:27:00,868 Uh... 521 00:27:00,911 --> 00:27:02,828 she started talking a little bit about witchcrafts 522 00:27:02,872 --> 00:27:07,583 and just different weird, dark stuff like that. 523 00:27:07,626 --> 00:27:09,543 It was kind of weird. 524 00:27:09,587 --> 00:27:11,211 She had a pet tarantula. 525 00:27:19,263 --> 00:27:20,637 Dee Dee was my aunt. 526 00:27:20,681 --> 00:27:25,851 Um, real... weird girl. 527 00:27:25,895 --> 00:27:29,188 I would think she's bipolar, no doubt. 528 00:27:29,231 --> 00:27:31,774 Multiple personalities, perhaps. 529 00:27:33,819 --> 00:27:36,070 Definitely... 530 00:27:36,113 --> 00:27:39,114 an evil person, I would say, you know? 531 00:27:44,914 --> 00:27:48,916 To shave your kid's head and say that she's got leukaemia? 532 00:27:48,959 --> 00:27:50,959 You're a sick individual. 533 00:27:54,507 --> 00:27:56,882 MC: At this time, we'd like to present to you 534 00:27:56,926 --> 00:27:59,843 South Lafourche ROTC Military Queen, 535 00:27:59,887 --> 00:28:01,887 Ms. Clauddinea Pitre. 536 00:28:01,931 --> 00:28:05,682 Her escort-- Sergeant Earl Longden. 537 00:28:08,562 --> 00:28:10,312 Clauddine "Dee Dee" Pitre... 538 00:28:24,662 --> 00:28:27,287 Carr: What was Dee Dee like as a child? 539 00:28:27,331 --> 00:28:28,747 What, baby? 540 00:28:28,791 --> 00:28:30,958 What was Dee Dee like as a child? 541 00:28:31,001 --> 00:28:34,461 - What was Dee Dee like as a child? - Dee Dee? 542 00:28:34,505 --> 00:28:36,380 She was okay. 543 00:28:36,424 --> 00:28:38,674 We were pretty close, me and her. 544 00:28:38,717 --> 00:28:42,344 Yeah, I would give her everything that she wanted anyway. 545 00:28:42,388 --> 00:28:44,513 Whatever she wanted. 546 00:28:44,557 --> 00:28:47,141 Except a dog in the house. I didn't want that. 547 00:28:47,184 --> 00:28:49,143 Now we wind up-- we got two dogs in the house. 548 00:28:52,815 --> 00:28:56,024 Ahem, but this-- she was something else. 549 00:28:59,363 --> 00:29:02,865 Laura Pitre: She was a very filthy person. 550 00:29:02,908 --> 00:29:04,867 If it didn't go her way, 551 00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:06,827 she'd see to it that you would pay. 552 00:29:06,871 --> 00:29:09,496 And did we pay. 553 00:29:09,540 --> 00:29:11,623 Paid a lot. 554 00:29:11,667 --> 00:29:13,625 She opened credit cards in my dad's name, 555 00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:17,045 my grandpa's name, ran up crazy bills. 556 00:29:17,089 --> 00:29:20,048 Supposedly, America's Most Wanted was looking for this girl. 557 00:29:21,427 --> 00:29:23,677 Laura: 558 00:29:29,268 --> 00:29:30,976 Slidell-- she was wanted. 559 00:29:31,020 --> 00:29:32,728 Bad checks in New Orleans. 560 00:29:34,148 --> 00:29:35,647 Claude: No matter where she went, 561 00:29:35,691 --> 00:29:38,066 she was doing all kind of stuff. 562 00:29:38,110 --> 00:29:40,652 She was poisoning my stepmother. 563 00:29:40,696 --> 00:29:43,989 Supposedly, she was giving her some... 564 00:29:44,033 --> 00:29:47,326 Roundup in her food and stuff. 565 00:29:47,369 --> 00:29:50,162 She was putting some poison in my food. 566 00:29:50,206 --> 00:29:52,456 The same thing she had put in the plant. 567 00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:55,751 And she wind up-- she stayed nine months in bed after that. 568 00:29:55,794 --> 00:29:57,169 She couldn't get up. 569 00:29:57,213 --> 00:29:59,213 I didn't think she was going to make it. 570 00:29:59,256 --> 00:30:01,423 There was nothing she couldn't get away with. 571 00:30:06,263 --> 00:30:08,639 Laura: Her mama was a little bit like her. 572 00:30:08,682 --> 00:30:11,391 Claude: Yeah, her mama, too. 573 00:30:11,435 --> 00:30:16,772 Her mama was a shoplifter and all kind of stuff. 574 00:30:16,815 --> 00:30:19,191 I don't know how many times she had to go to court 575 00:30:19,235 --> 00:30:20,817 for shoplifting and other things. 576 00:30:25,241 --> 00:30:27,908 Laura: She had stolen how much money from your daddy? 577 00:30:27,952 --> 00:30:30,911 Before he got married, she had stolen 578 00:30:30,955 --> 00:30:33,747 I think it's $3,000 or $4,000 from my daddy. 579 00:30:36,168 --> 00:30:38,585 Bobby: I think ever since my grandmother died, 580 00:30:38,629 --> 00:30:41,004 Dee Dee kind of went off the deep end. 581 00:30:42,883 --> 00:30:44,550 Kristy: The day that her mom died, 582 00:30:44,593 --> 00:30:46,510 Dee Dee was in the house somewhere, 583 00:30:46,554 --> 00:30:49,846 and Dee Dee was starving her. 584 00:30:49,890 --> 00:30:53,141 Like, she wasn't-- Dee Dee wasn't giving her anything to eat. 585 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,019 I asked her sister-- 586 00:30:56,063 --> 00:30:57,604 you know, I was like, "I hate to ask this, 587 00:30:57,648 --> 00:31:00,315 but you think Dee Dee had anything to do 588 00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:02,734 with her mom's death?" 589 00:31:02,778 --> 00:31:05,946 And she, you know, said, 590 00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:07,656 "Now I wonder." 591 00:31:09,743 --> 00:31:11,868 That's how evil she was. 592 00:31:14,665 --> 00:31:17,249 To leave your mama dirty and asking for food 593 00:31:17,293 --> 00:31:19,001 and not want to feed her... 594 00:31:19,044 --> 00:31:21,628 - Yeah. - ...that's evil. 595 00:31:24,341 --> 00:31:27,134 Carr: Were you sad at all when you heard she was dead? 596 00:31:29,138 --> 00:31:31,013 Me? 597 00:31:31,056 --> 00:31:34,057 I didn't believe it. 598 00:31:34,101 --> 00:31:36,727 - It didn't-- - It just didn't sink. 599 00:31:36,770 --> 00:31:39,771 It took a few days before... you know? 600 00:31:39,815 --> 00:31:42,941 I didn't believe that she was dead. 601 00:31:42,985 --> 00:31:46,778 I thought it was another one of her tricks. 602 00:31:46,822 --> 00:31:49,197 I said, "Who did Dee Dee piss off now? 603 00:31:49,241 --> 00:31:52,242 You know, what kind of shit did Dee Dee get into?" 604 00:31:52,286 --> 00:31:54,578 I wasn't thinking, "Oh, God, my aunt's dead." 605 00:31:54,622 --> 00:31:56,955 Because I figured that one day she'd piss off somebody 606 00:31:56,999 --> 00:31:59,041 to that point, you know? 607 00:31:59,084 --> 00:32:02,502 And I actually did think that it would probably be Gypsy, you know? 608 00:32:02,546 --> 00:32:06,506 And whenever-- we later got the word 609 00:32:06,550 --> 00:32:09,092 that Gypsy was fine and she was by her boyfriend's house, 610 00:32:09,136 --> 00:32:11,094 we were like, "She killed her mama. She finally did it. 611 00:32:11,138 --> 00:32:12,429 She couldn't take it anymore." 612 00:32:12,473 --> 00:32:13,847 She finally just said, "Fuck it all. 613 00:32:13,891 --> 00:32:15,641 I'm killing this bitch." 614 00:32:15,684 --> 00:32:19,102 Carr: Do you think she got what she deserved? 615 00:32:19,146 --> 00:32:21,772 - According to Gypsy, yes. - Yes. 616 00:32:21,815 --> 00:32:24,858 Yeah, she got what she deserved. 617 00:32:24,902 --> 00:32:28,236 I know all the brothers and sisters don't care 618 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,447 about Dee Dee no more. 619 00:32:30,491 --> 00:32:33,367 Gypsy-- she got cremated. 620 00:32:33,410 --> 00:32:35,452 She said, "What you want me to do with the ashes?" 621 00:32:35,496 --> 00:32:37,704 Everybody said, "I don't want her. I don't want her." 622 00:32:37,748 --> 00:32:40,916 - Darla said, "Flush 'em." - I told her, "Flush that in the toilet." 623 00:32:40,959 --> 00:32:43,377 I didn't want it. 624 00:32:43,420 --> 00:32:45,921 Her sister said, "Flush that in the toilet." 625 00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:48,006 She said, "We're going to bring that in Mama's room, 626 00:32:48,050 --> 00:32:49,591 make her a mass and everything." 627 00:32:49,635 --> 00:32:52,219 "You going to pay for it? I'm not paying for it. 628 00:32:52,262 --> 00:32:55,430 We can't afford it. Flush it in the toilet." 629 00:32:57,101 --> 00:33:01,103 [Greene County Courthouse November 9,2015] 630 00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:19,788 Reporter: Prosecutors have decided not to seek the death penalty 631 00:33:19,832 --> 00:33:21,998 against a Springfield woman and her boyfriend, 632 00:33:22,042 --> 00:33:25,460 both of whom are accused of murdering the woman's mother. 633 00:33:25,504 --> 00:33:27,879 Reporter #2: The announcement comes after several conversations 634 00:33:27,923 --> 00:33:29,798 between the defence and prosecution, 635 00:33:29,842 --> 00:33:32,467 both agreeing this was the best decision. 636 00:33:33,929 --> 00:33:35,721 Patterson: Being a prosecutor, 637 00:33:35,764 --> 00:33:37,806 the standard is to do what's right 638 00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:39,141 and what's just. 639 00:33:40,436 --> 00:33:42,436 When you look at the mitigators 640 00:33:42,479 --> 00:33:45,230 as well as the background of these individuals as we know it, 641 00:33:45,274 --> 00:33:47,107 as well as the facts of the case, 642 00:33:47,151 --> 00:33:50,068 this case was not an appropriate first-degree murder case 643 00:33:50,112 --> 00:33:51,820 in which to seek the death penalty. 644 00:33:51,864 --> 00:33:55,657 This is a case that we haven't dealt with, 645 00:33:55,701 --> 00:33:58,827 and it's because it's so unusual. 646 00:33:58,871 --> 00:34:00,954 I mean, it really is an unusual case. 647 00:34:02,541 --> 00:34:05,041 What we thought initially may be a victim 648 00:34:05,085 --> 00:34:06,752 turns out to be a suspect, 649 00:34:06,795 --> 00:34:10,046 and in the middle of a story that is twisted. 650 00:34:10,090 --> 00:34:12,924 We think we know who Gypsy is, 651 00:34:12,968 --> 00:34:15,886 but once this trial starts, 652 00:34:15,929 --> 00:34:17,846 we'll be able to see her life unfold 653 00:34:17,890 --> 00:34:22,100 and find out exactly what she was all about. 654 00:34:22,144 --> 00:34:24,186 [Home video from one of Dee Dee and Gypsy's trips to Disney World] 655 00:34:26,523 --> 00:34:27,773 Hi, everybody. 656 00:34:27,816 --> 00:34:30,484 Right now, I'm in Cinderella's castle 657 00:34:30,527 --> 00:34:33,987 eating some real mashed potatoes. 658 00:34:34,031 --> 00:34:35,864 Mm! 659 00:34:35,908 --> 00:34:37,324 That is good. 660 00:34:42,915 --> 00:34:44,915 Dean: Gypsy loved Disney 661 00:34:44,958 --> 00:34:47,751 because they were stories that resolved 662 00:34:47,795 --> 00:34:49,628 in happy ways. 663 00:34:49,671 --> 00:34:53,215 And ultimately, her story was not resolving in a happy way. 664 00:34:55,093 --> 00:34:58,512 Gypsy: I liked the Disney movie, "Tangled." 665 00:34:59,765 --> 00:35:01,223 It's about Rapunzel. 666 00:35:02,726 --> 00:35:05,101 She's a princess in this kingdom 667 00:35:05,145 --> 00:35:09,564 and she's kidnapped by Mother Gothel 668 00:35:09,608 --> 00:35:10,899 from her real family. 669 00:35:12,444 --> 00:35:14,986 And Mother Gothel keeps her 670 00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:17,739 in this tower for all of her life 671 00:35:17,783 --> 00:35:20,158 and tells her, "Don't leave this tower." 672 00:35:20,202 --> 00:35:24,079 And so, that is all she knows. 673 00:35:24,122 --> 00:35:26,206 Woodmansee: I think that Gypsy just wanted her life 674 00:35:26,250 --> 00:35:29,167 to be like any fairy tale princess 675 00:35:29,211 --> 00:35:32,504 and have the perfect ending. 676 00:35:32,548 --> 00:35:35,423 You know, all the bad villains get what they deserve. 677 00:35:37,219 --> 00:35:40,178 Gypsy: At the end, Mother Gothel died. 678 00:35:40,222 --> 00:35:42,430 She got thrown out a window, 679 00:35:42,474 --> 00:35:47,060 um, because Rapunzel tried to stand up for herself 680 00:35:47,104 --> 00:35:49,187 and leave her tower. 681 00:35:49,231 --> 00:35:51,690 But in Disney movies, everything's a fantasy. 682 00:35:51,733 --> 00:35:53,191 It's a fairy tale, 683 00:35:53,235 --> 00:35:55,861 and life is not a fairy tale. 684 00:35:55,904 --> 00:35:58,446 I learned all that the hard way. 685 00:36:01,368 --> 00:36:03,285 Stanfield: I don't think calling Gypsy's life sheltered 686 00:36:03,328 --> 00:36:05,537 would do it justice. 687 00:36:05,581 --> 00:36:07,873 I've kind of come to describe it 688 00:36:07,916 --> 00:36:09,958 as a fairy tale nightmare. 689 00:36:12,004 --> 00:36:15,505 Her mother controlled almost every aspect of her life. 690 00:36:16,967 --> 00:36:19,175 Dr. Feldman: The control was total 691 00:36:19,219 --> 00:36:22,762 in the same sense that the control of a kidnapped victim 692 00:36:22,806 --> 00:36:26,266 sometimes is total. 693 00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:28,852 Her daughter was, in essence, a hostage, 694 00:36:28,896 --> 00:36:31,688 and I think we can understand the crime 695 00:36:31,732 --> 00:36:33,607 that occurred subsequently 696 00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:38,028 in terms of a hostage trying to gain escape. 697 00:36:41,033 --> 00:36:42,866 Woodmansee: Any time Gypsy and I were together, 698 00:36:42,910 --> 00:36:45,577 her mom was always present. 699 00:36:45,621 --> 00:36:48,121 She was immediately like a filter for us, you know. 700 00:36:48,165 --> 00:36:51,207 Like, Gypsy wouldn't talk about anything personal 701 00:36:51,251 --> 00:36:52,584 while we were together. 702 00:36:52,628 --> 00:36:55,211 That's like, really, the big red flag, 703 00:36:55,255 --> 00:36:57,297 thinking back on it all now. 704 00:36:58,842 --> 00:37:02,260 Dee Dee would always hold Gypsy's hand, you know? 705 00:37:02,304 --> 00:37:04,971 It was like, I don't know-- it was almost like, you know, just, 706 00:37:05,015 --> 00:37:07,140 "If I squeeze it, you'll know what to say." 707 00:37:07,184 --> 00:37:09,351 I mean, that was just so strange to me. 708 00:37:09,394 --> 00:37:12,103 Just to feel it now, I think that was really strange. 709 00:37:12,147 --> 00:37:14,314 Even in videos I've seen since then, 710 00:37:14,358 --> 00:37:15,815 I'm like, "Yep, it's just the same thing." 711 00:37:15,859 --> 00:37:18,026 It's like she's holding her hand. 712 00:37:21,365 --> 00:37:25,283 I mean, now I'm-- it was maybe a control thing. 713 00:37:25,327 --> 00:37:29,162 Dr. Feldman: The hand-holding and the tight hugs 714 00:37:29,206 --> 00:37:31,957 is a way of asserting mastery over another person 715 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,626 and saying, "You're not free. 716 00:37:34,670 --> 00:37:37,253 You are under my control at all times, 717 00:37:37,297 --> 00:37:39,965 even in relatively benign situations 718 00:37:40,008 --> 00:37:41,883 like our being photographed 719 00:37:41,927 --> 00:37:44,177 getting the Habitat for Humanity home." 720 00:37:44,221 --> 00:37:47,055 You know, those are innocuously happy occasions, 721 00:37:47,099 --> 00:37:49,391 but they were also occasions where Dee Dee 722 00:37:49,434 --> 00:37:52,727 reasserted her mastery over Gypsy. 723 00:37:52,771 --> 00:37:54,479 My mom had cake... 724 00:37:54,523 --> 00:37:57,190 Gypsy: If we were in a group of friends, 725 00:37:57,234 --> 00:37:59,359 you know, if I said something that I wasn't supposed to, 726 00:37:59,403 --> 00:38:02,612 she'd squeeze my hand, and I'd know, "Zip it." 727 00:38:06,535 --> 00:38:09,035 I was just afraid, just too afraid. 728 00:38:11,665 --> 00:38:13,707 Dr. Feldman: I have a strong feeling 729 00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:16,876 that the extent of the control over her, 730 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,379 heavily psychological as it was, 731 00:38:19,423 --> 00:38:22,132 would've involved physical punishment as well. 732 00:38:22,175 --> 00:38:24,092 She'd hit me with a coat hanger... 733 00:38:25,804 --> 00:38:27,762 or her-- or her palm. 734 00:38:29,474 --> 00:38:31,433 And I'd have to take so many slaps 735 00:38:31,476 --> 00:38:33,810 for-- depending on what, 736 00:38:33,854 --> 00:38:36,521 how severe it was, I did. 737 00:38:36,565 --> 00:38:39,315 - Carr: Did you ever try to hit back? - Never. 738 00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:41,317 Never. 739 00:38:41,361 --> 00:38:43,153 It's like if you have a baby 740 00:38:43,196 --> 00:38:44,779 and you, like, get in its face 741 00:38:44,823 --> 00:38:47,449 and the baby starts to struggle and get away from you. 742 00:38:47,492 --> 00:38:50,577 Now picture that happening for your whole life, right? 743 00:38:50,620 --> 00:38:54,748 Your mother is just in your face and will not get away. 744 00:38:54,791 --> 00:38:58,293 That's basically what Gypsy's whole life was like. 745 00:38:58,336 --> 00:39:00,045 It's snowing. 746 00:39:00,088 --> 00:39:02,172 I'm not joking. [Dee Dee at home in Missouri] 747 00:39:02,215 --> 00:39:04,049 They said it's snowing, 748 00:39:04,092 --> 00:39:07,802 so I'm staying under my heating blankie. 749 00:39:07,846 --> 00:39:12,265 And I'm not getting out, mm-mm. 750 00:39:13,477 --> 00:39:15,643 She wants to get out. 751 00:39:15,687 --> 00:39:18,063 Ain't gonna happen. 752 00:39:18,106 --> 00:39:20,482 Let her doll take care of her. 753 00:39:20,525 --> 00:39:22,317 Gypsy: Oh! 754 00:39:31,078 --> 00:39:33,411 Her mother was so suffocating, 755 00:39:33,455 --> 00:39:37,290 so powerful, so manipulative 756 00:39:37,334 --> 00:39:41,169 that Gypsy may have felt any efforts to escape 757 00:39:41,213 --> 00:39:42,545 were bound to fail. 758 00:39:43,965 --> 00:39:46,132 The first time I ran away from home, 759 00:39:46,176 --> 00:39:48,510 I had met a friend. 760 00:39:48,553 --> 00:39:52,680 We both went to this sci-fi fantasy convention called Visioncon. 761 00:39:53,975 --> 00:39:56,726 I told him vaguely 762 00:39:56,770 --> 00:39:59,312 about what was going on at home. 763 00:39:59,356 --> 00:40:03,274 And he told me, you know, "You just pack your stuff 764 00:40:03,318 --> 00:40:07,237 and you can come live with me in Arkansas." 765 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,031 And I said, "Okay." 766 00:40:12,744 --> 00:40:16,121 I stepped out, got a ride from a stranger, 767 00:40:16,164 --> 00:40:18,331 and went over to his place. 768 00:40:18,375 --> 00:40:22,001 And then within, like, four hours, my mom found me at his place 769 00:40:22,045 --> 00:40:24,504 because we had mutual friends in common. 770 00:40:24,548 --> 00:40:27,674 So she was threatening to call the cops on him. 771 00:40:27,717 --> 00:40:29,592 And she took me back home 772 00:40:29,636 --> 00:40:32,011 and smashed my computer with a hammer, 773 00:40:32,055 --> 00:40:33,805 smashed my cell phone with a hammer and said, 774 00:40:33,849 --> 00:40:36,057 "If you ever try to do that again, 775 00:40:36,101 --> 00:40:38,226 I'm going to smash your fingers with a hammer." 776 00:40:39,271 --> 00:40:40,645 It was a rough year. 777 00:40:40,689 --> 00:40:42,897 I call that "the bad times." 778 00:40:45,152 --> 00:40:48,153 She had taken this dog leash 779 00:40:48,196 --> 00:40:50,864 and clipped it to a pair of handcuffs, 780 00:40:50,907 --> 00:40:53,366 and clipped the handcuffs to the bed 781 00:40:53,410 --> 00:40:57,662 and kept-- it was like that for about two weeks. 782 00:40:57,706 --> 00:41:00,999 My mom had actually convinced a lawyer 783 00:41:01,042 --> 00:41:04,544 to draw up some papers saying that I was incompetent. 784 00:41:04,588 --> 00:41:07,630 So I thought if I had tried to go to the police, 785 00:41:07,674 --> 00:41:11,384 they'd look at these papers and say, "She's retarded. 786 00:41:11,428 --> 00:41:14,095 She doesn't know what she's talking about." 787 00:41:14,139 --> 00:41:15,889 Gypsy has essentially fallen 788 00:41:15,932 --> 00:41:18,558 through every crack there is in the system. 789 00:41:18,602 --> 00:41:20,351 The Greene County Sheriff's deputies 790 00:41:20,395 --> 00:41:23,396 came out to the house on an anonymous report 791 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,107 that Gypsy was potentially being abused. 792 00:41:26,151 --> 00:41:29,402 And they came to the house, they spoke with Dee Dee, 793 00:41:29,446 --> 00:41:33,323 and Dee Dee did exactly what she does all the time-- 794 00:41:33,366 --> 00:41:35,742 she manipulated the police officers, 795 00:41:35,785 --> 00:41:38,828 showed them a few things, and they left. 796 00:41:38,872 --> 00:41:40,288 And at that point, 797 00:41:40,332 --> 00:41:44,000 Gypsy has absolutely nowhere else to turn. 798 00:41:44,044 --> 00:41:45,376 Literally everyone failed her. 799 00:41:45,420 --> 00:41:47,045 Literally. 800 00:41:47,088 --> 00:41:49,422 The doctors who were positioned 801 00:41:49,466 --> 00:41:53,301 as there to help her didn't help her. 802 00:41:53,345 --> 00:41:55,094 Her father, 803 00:41:55,138 --> 00:41:58,514 who I think was in a very difficult position, 804 00:41:58,558 --> 00:41:59,933 couldn't help her. 805 00:42:01,561 --> 00:42:04,437 How was she supposed to think anybody could? 806 00:42:04,481 --> 00:42:06,314 I was just kind of at that point where you're like, 807 00:42:06,358 --> 00:42:10,860 "I'm angry at the world and this is unfair." 808 00:42:10,904 --> 00:42:15,448 Why couldn't anybody figure this out before it got this bad? 809 00:42:21,665 --> 00:42:25,333 - Woman: Gypsy. - Dee Dee: Over here, baby. 810 00:42:25,377 --> 00:42:29,462 We all kind of did see how Gypsy was being treated by Dee Dee, 811 00:42:29,506 --> 00:42:33,341 not that it was like horrible, beating the shit out of her 812 00:42:33,385 --> 00:42:35,843 in the back room with a freaking cable, you know? 813 00:42:35,887 --> 00:42:39,055 She would just-- she put her in a wheelchair and told her, 814 00:42:39,099 --> 00:42:42,016 "Your leg's messed up. You can't walk." 815 00:42:46,439 --> 00:42:49,315 Her sister told me once, "Rod, you know, 816 00:42:49,359 --> 00:42:51,359 Gypsy can walk." 817 00:42:51,403 --> 00:42:53,278 And I asked Dee Dee about it. 818 00:42:53,321 --> 00:42:56,781 She's like, "Yeah, well, with her muscular dystrophy 819 00:42:56,825 --> 00:43:00,952 or with her disease, her muscles hurt sometimes. 820 00:43:00,996 --> 00:43:03,830 So sometimes she can walk when she's feeling okay, 821 00:43:03,873 --> 00:43:05,581 but it's progressive. 822 00:43:05,625 --> 00:43:07,417 It's going to get worse." 823 00:43:07,460 --> 00:43:11,337 And it wasn't long after that that they were-- 824 00:43:11,381 --> 00:43:13,840 they started moving further and further away. 825 00:43:13,883 --> 00:43:16,759 And there was nobody there to question-- 826 00:43:16,803 --> 00:43:19,470 question that anymore, you know? 827 00:43:19,514 --> 00:43:23,725 After all of the doors had been closed-- 828 00:43:23,768 --> 00:43:26,686 family, friends, the police-- 829 00:43:26,730 --> 00:43:30,523 I think that Gypsy felt she had no other-- 830 00:43:30,567 --> 00:43:31,774 no other avenue. 831 00:43:36,489 --> 00:43:41,242 Gypsy: I met Nick through a Christian dating website. 832 00:43:41,286 --> 00:43:43,453 He was one of the profiles that I had saw. 833 00:43:43,496 --> 00:43:46,581 Thought he was cute, so I checked him out, sent him a wink. 834 00:43:46,624 --> 00:43:48,583 He sent me one back. 835 00:44:00,221 --> 00:44:03,598 Once you met on there, what happened? 836 00:44:03,641 --> 00:44:06,434 We got closer on there, 837 00:44:06,478 --> 00:44:10,229 and we connected more and more. 838 00:44:15,695 --> 00:44:17,862 Godejohn: The way that we clicked, 839 00:44:17,906 --> 00:44:20,615 we somehow just knew we were right for each other. 840 00:44:24,829 --> 00:44:28,623 Four days later, we started a relationship together. 841 00:44:36,633 --> 00:44:41,219 Dean: Gypsy had no template for romance 842 00:44:41,262 --> 00:44:45,765 that wasn't this sort of heightened Prince Charming narrative. 843 00:44:48,603 --> 00:44:50,520 And Nick just happened to be there. 844 00:44:52,023 --> 00:44:53,523 His background equipped him 845 00:44:53,566 --> 00:44:55,233 with a bad narrative in different ways. 846 00:44:55,276 --> 00:44:57,026 So, it was like two bad narratives 847 00:44:57,070 --> 00:44:58,611 collided with each other. 848 00:44:58,655 --> 00:45:01,447 What kind of person-- if somebody never met him, 849 00:45:01,491 --> 00:45:02,949 what kind of person is Nick? 850 00:45:02,992 --> 00:45:06,119 He's pretty quiet, kept to himself, you know. 851 00:45:06,162 --> 00:45:09,497 We always tell him he's got to get out and mingle, you know. 852 00:45:09,541 --> 00:45:12,667 - Sure. - But he's like, "I'm afraid of getting backstabbed, 853 00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:15,420 because everybody backstabs you," and all that stuff. 854 00:45:15,463 --> 00:45:18,506 He has autism, you know, Asperger's. 855 00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:21,634 Has he been diagnosed with autism and Asperger's? 856 00:45:21,678 --> 00:45:23,094 - Yes. - Okay. 857 00:45:23,138 --> 00:45:24,887 Stephanie: Last doctor he talked to, 858 00:45:24,931 --> 00:45:27,640 they said his mind is probably always going to be 15, 16, 859 00:45:27,684 --> 00:45:29,517 right around there. 860 00:45:29,561 --> 00:45:31,811 At first, it was all lighthearted, you know. 861 00:45:31,855 --> 00:45:33,312 "If you got married, 862 00:45:33,356 --> 00:45:35,022 where would you like to have your honeymoon?" 863 00:45:35,066 --> 00:45:36,983 You know, "Where would you like to get married? 864 00:45:37,026 --> 00:45:38,818 Where are all the places you want to travel?" 865 00:45:38,862 --> 00:45:41,279 Different things like that, normal stuff. 866 00:45:41,322 --> 00:45:44,282 And as it progressed, things got weird. 867 00:45:46,494 --> 00:45:49,745 He started talking about something called BDSM. 868 00:46:04,429 --> 00:46:06,095 Gypsy: And at first, I didn't know what it was, 869 00:46:06,139 --> 00:46:08,222 so I looked it up. 870 00:46:08,266 --> 00:46:11,350 And once I looked it up, I was like, "I don't want to do this." 871 00:46:11,394 --> 00:46:14,687 And then he kind of just talked me into it 872 00:46:14,731 --> 00:46:17,732 and was like, "It'll be fine," you know? 873 00:46:17,775 --> 00:46:19,400 "Try this with me." 874 00:46:19,444 --> 00:46:22,737 And so, I agreed to it. 875 00:46:25,658 --> 00:46:29,285 I was taught that a woman's role is to be submissive 876 00:46:29,329 --> 00:46:31,037 and the man is dominant, 877 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,581 so I didn't think it was that outlandish. 878 00:46:36,377 --> 00:46:40,838 Then his ex had messaged me. 879 00:46:40,882 --> 00:46:45,092 She told me, you know, he's a really bad guy. 880 00:46:45,136 --> 00:46:47,386 He thinks he's a vampire 881 00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:51,057 and he's into all this dominant/submissive stuff. 882 00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:53,142 And I was thinking, it's just an ex. 883 00:46:53,186 --> 00:46:55,561 You know, she's just badmouthing him. 884 00:46:55,605 --> 00:46:59,232 She doesn't know anything. She's jealous, blah, blah, blah. 885 00:46:59,275 --> 00:47:00,775 She was right. 886 00:47:00,818 --> 00:47:03,069 Godejohn also has a criminal past. 887 00:47:03,112 --> 00:47:05,863 In 2013 he was arrested after investigators say 888 00:47:05,907 --> 00:47:08,616 he was watching pornography and fondling himself 889 00:47:08,660 --> 00:47:11,244 in a McDonald's restaurant for nine hours, 890 00:47:11,287 --> 00:47:14,413 police finding a large knife during the arrest. 891 00:47:14,457 --> 00:47:17,458 I really don't know what's wrong with him, 892 00:47:17,502 --> 00:47:21,420 but, I mean, it's not like I ever had a boyfriend before, 893 00:47:21,464 --> 00:47:25,508 so I really didn't know what was a normal relationship. 894 00:47:25,552 --> 00:47:28,010 How don't know how much she told you about me, but... 895 00:47:30,431 --> 00:47:32,223 Have you been diagnosed with that? 896 00:47:32,267 --> 00:47:33,849 I probably should be diagnosed with it 897 00:47:33,893 --> 00:47:35,768 because it-- it happens-- 898 00:47:35,812 --> 00:47:38,479 the thing is, I used to take a medication. 899 00:47:38,523 --> 00:47:40,940 I used to hear voices in my head. Then it went away. 900 00:47:40,984 --> 00:47:43,568 And then somehow it's a part of myself. 901 00:47:43,611 --> 00:47:46,279 Okay. Does Gypsy know that? 902 00:47:46,322 --> 00:47:48,948 - Yes. She does know that. - Okay. 903 00:47:48,992 --> 00:47:51,993 His multiple personalities would come out, 904 00:47:52,036 --> 00:47:55,621 and he had talked to me one day 905 00:47:55,665 --> 00:47:58,040 and he was just like, "You know, I would like 906 00:47:58,084 --> 00:48:01,377 my other personalities to have a girlfriend." 907 00:48:01,421 --> 00:48:04,714 So I made up some individual personalities 908 00:48:04,757 --> 00:48:07,675 to match his other personalities. 909 00:48:19,355 --> 00:48:21,647 Godejohn: One side of her is named Kitty. 910 00:48:21,691 --> 00:48:23,691 It's like a little girl inside of her. 911 00:48:26,362 --> 00:48:28,863 We had another one called Candy. 912 00:48:32,869 --> 00:48:35,119 She has an evil side of herself as well. 913 00:48:35,163 --> 00:48:36,704 She used to call her Ruby. 914 00:48:38,875 --> 00:48:41,876 Gypsy: It was deaf, dumb, blind love. 915 00:48:45,173 --> 00:48:47,590 And sometimes, it's a big crazy love. 916 00:48:47,634 --> 00:48:51,135 Dean: One of the most interesting things about this case 917 00:48:51,179 --> 00:48:53,304 is that no matter how much control 918 00:48:53,348 --> 00:48:55,222 you have over an individual, 919 00:48:55,266 --> 00:48:58,559 you can't stop adolescent sexuality from blossoming. 920 00:48:59,937 --> 00:49:02,355 Her whole life, 921 00:49:02,398 --> 00:49:05,524 this had been a subject that was forbidden to her, 922 00:49:05,568 --> 00:49:07,943 and, ultimately, 923 00:49:07,987 --> 00:49:10,112 that turned into a really destructive force. 924 00:49:17,413 --> 00:49:20,456 Gypsy: Probably about a year into our relationship, 925 00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:23,167 I just couldn't lie to him anymore. 926 00:49:23,211 --> 00:49:26,754 And I just told him everything. 927 00:49:26,798 --> 00:49:29,340 Why did nobody know she could walk? 928 00:49:29,384 --> 00:49:32,551 Her mom wanted everyone to think 929 00:49:32,595 --> 00:49:34,929 that she was, like, 16 the entire time. 930 00:49:34,972 --> 00:49:39,892 So, yeah, she felt kind of trapped on a wheelchair 931 00:49:39,936 --> 00:49:42,561 when I actually was trying to encourage her 932 00:49:42,605 --> 00:49:44,271 to be able to walk more and more and more. 933 00:49:47,568 --> 00:49:50,736 Gypsy: It really didn't come up, like, "I want you to kill her." 934 00:49:52,281 --> 00:49:56,117 But he had said, "I'll protect you from anybody." 935 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,244 And I said, "Anybody?" 936 00:49:58,287 --> 00:50:00,121 And he said, "Yeah." 937 00:50:00,164 --> 00:50:02,915 And I said, "Even my mom?" 938 00:50:02,959 --> 00:50:04,625 And he said, "Yeah." 939 00:50:04,669 --> 00:50:07,128 And that's where it kind of developed from there on. 940 00:50:08,506 --> 00:50:10,256 We'd call it "plan B." 941 00:50:13,511 --> 00:50:15,511 But we always pushed it back. 942 00:50:15,555 --> 00:50:17,179 You know, it was just a thought. 943 00:50:17,223 --> 00:50:18,639 It was never reality. 944 00:50:20,059 --> 00:50:22,309 We'll consider other options. 945 00:50:25,148 --> 00:50:30,735 We had planned a meeting at a movie theater. 946 00:50:30,778 --> 00:50:33,070 I and my mom was going to go see "Cinderella," 947 00:50:33,114 --> 00:50:35,489 the live-action version of "Cinderella," 948 00:50:35,533 --> 00:50:39,785 and I was like, "This is a perfect time for us to meet. 949 00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:42,872 I'll buy your ticket, and you come to the movie theater. 950 00:50:42,915 --> 00:50:46,292 We'll meet like we're just meeting as new friends, 951 00:50:46,335 --> 00:50:49,503 and it's going to be perfect." 952 00:50:49,547 --> 00:50:51,756 Godejohn: She wanted to have sex with me, so I did. 953 00:50:51,799 --> 00:50:53,424 Officer: Okay, she wanted to have sex with you? 954 00:50:53,468 --> 00:50:55,760 - Yes. - Wow, did her mom know? 955 00:50:55,803 --> 00:50:58,262 Um, we kept it from her mom. 956 00:50:58,306 --> 00:51:01,348 Okay. Where did you have sex at in the theater? 957 00:51:01,392 --> 00:51:02,767 - It was in the bathroom. - Okay. 958 00:51:02,810 --> 00:51:04,894 In the girls' bathroom or boys' bathroom? 959 00:51:04,937 --> 00:51:07,646 She just took me in the boys' bathroom. I didn't have any choice. 960 00:51:07,690 --> 00:51:09,815 We went right into the boys' bathroom. She was okay with it. 961 00:51:09,859 --> 00:51:11,901 Okay, okay. 962 00:51:11,944 --> 00:51:14,403 And then what happened after you guys had sex in the theater? 963 00:51:14,447 --> 00:51:18,991 We went to our movie and watched it. 964 00:51:19,035 --> 00:51:21,994 They're all looking at you. 965 00:51:22,038 --> 00:51:24,121 Believe me, 966 00:51:24,165 --> 00:51:26,165 they are all looking at you. 967 00:51:27,668 --> 00:51:29,627 I don't know what it was, but, apparently, 968 00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:31,962 the night got ruined in some way. 969 00:51:32,006 --> 00:51:34,924 I couldn't-- I was trying to understand 970 00:51:34,967 --> 00:51:36,842 what was going on with her mom. 971 00:51:36,886 --> 00:51:39,470 She despised him. 972 00:51:39,514 --> 00:51:42,264 She was like, "He's creepy. He's weird. 973 00:51:42,308 --> 00:51:45,309 He's coming to see a kids' movie alone by himself." 974 00:51:45,353 --> 00:51:48,187 And now looking back on it, yeah, it is weird. 975 00:51:48,231 --> 00:51:50,314 We were the only people at the movies, 976 00:51:50,358 --> 00:51:53,108 and he didn't have a kid with him 977 00:51:53,152 --> 00:51:55,319 or a girlfriend or nothing. 978 00:51:55,363 --> 00:52:00,241 He's just this guy going to see this chick movie. 979 00:52:00,284 --> 00:52:01,826 Carr: Couldn't you have said that you have a friend 980 00:52:01,869 --> 00:52:03,494 and you want to introduce them? 981 00:52:03,538 --> 00:52:06,372 I wouldn't have had no way to meet him, you know? 982 00:52:06,415 --> 00:52:09,834 I can't say I met him online or... 983 00:52:09,877 --> 00:52:12,044 She's-- she was all the time with me, 984 00:52:12,088 --> 00:52:15,631 so there would be no other time to meet him. 985 00:52:17,218 --> 00:52:22,429 Once all of those plans seemed to fall apart, 986 00:52:22,473 --> 00:52:24,265 I just got desperate. 987 00:52:48,082 --> 00:52:50,082 Gypsy: He took a Greyhound bus. 988 00:52:50,126 --> 00:52:52,418 I managed to scrape up enough money 989 00:52:52,461 --> 00:52:54,461 to pay for him a ticket. 990 00:52:57,842 --> 00:53:00,801 And the next day, we went to the grocery store, 991 00:53:00,845 --> 00:53:03,387 came back home. 992 00:53:03,431 --> 00:53:05,514 She went to sleep very, very late, 993 00:53:05,558 --> 00:53:07,975 and I was up texting Nick. 994 00:53:27,622 --> 00:53:29,830 (voice breaking) We painted each other's nails. 995 00:53:32,335 --> 00:53:35,169 And I acted like everything was fine. 996 00:53:39,508 --> 00:53:42,468 We had just recently got into an argument, 997 00:53:42,511 --> 00:53:45,262 and we had made up. 998 00:53:45,306 --> 00:53:47,973 And I said I was going to be a good girl. 999 00:53:49,435 --> 00:53:52,895 And then she went to sleep 1000 00:53:52,939 --> 00:53:56,023 because I hurt her feelings or something. 1001 00:53:56,067 --> 00:53:59,860 She said, "I'm starting to feel more relaxed. 1002 00:53:59,904 --> 00:54:01,695 Don't hurt me." 1003 00:54:06,035 --> 00:54:09,078 The last words she said to me was "don't hurt me." 1004 00:54:26,138 --> 00:54:28,472 I went into the bathroom. 1005 00:54:28,516 --> 00:54:31,725 I got kind of in a fetal position 1006 00:54:31,769 --> 00:54:33,602 and I covered my ears. 1007 00:54:33,646 --> 00:54:37,690 And I heard my mom wake up. 1008 00:54:39,151 --> 00:54:42,027 And then she sounded startled. 1009 00:54:42,071 --> 00:54:47,116 And there was some noises that I can't make out, 1010 00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:52,913 and I heard her say my name a couple times. 1011 00:54:54,458 --> 00:54:59,169 And she said, "Help me." 1012 00:54:59,213 --> 00:55:00,879 And then there was just silence. 1013 00:55:03,509 --> 00:55:04,967 Carr: Did she scream? 1014 00:55:07,263 --> 00:55:08,595 Yeah. 1015 00:55:13,436 --> 00:55:16,145 Dean: This is about as clear a premeditated murder 1016 00:55:16,188 --> 00:55:18,397 as I've ever seen. 1017 00:55:19,817 --> 00:55:22,693 It's brutal. 1018 00:55:22,737 --> 00:55:25,195 And I think it would be very hard for anybody 1019 00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,699 to not have a moment of being taken aback. 1020 00:55:28,743 --> 00:55:32,736 - Did you have sex with Dee Dee? - No. 1021 00:55:32,737 --> 00:55:34,950 You didn't stick your penis anywhere on her? 1022 00:55:35,041 --> 00:55:36,457 - Nope. - Are you sure? 1023 00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:38,000 - Yep. - Positive? 1024 00:55:38,044 --> 00:55:39,835 - I'm 100% positive. - Okay. 1025 00:55:39,879 --> 00:55:41,962 Did you stick your penis in her mouth? 1026 00:55:42,006 --> 00:55:43,422 - Nope. - Okay. 1027 00:55:43,466 --> 00:55:45,632 Did your penis touch anywhere on Dee Dee's body? 1028 00:55:45,676 --> 00:55:47,051 - Nope. - Okay. 1029 00:55:47,094 --> 00:55:49,011 Did your mouth touch anywhere on Dee Dee's body? 1030 00:55:49,055 --> 00:55:50,554 - My mouth? No. - Okay. 1031 00:55:50,598 --> 00:55:52,389 - You didn't kiss her or... - Nope. 1032 00:55:52,433 --> 00:55:54,725 - ...lick her or anything like that? - Nope. 1033 00:55:54,769 --> 00:55:57,061 Okay. What do you think about people 1034 00:55:57,104 --> 00:55:59,563 that have sex with dead bodies? 1035 00:55:59,607 --> 00:56:02,149 I mean, it's quite disturbing, honestly. 1036 00:56:02,193 --> 00:56:04,401 Okay, that's-- that would bother you? 1037 00:56:04,445 --> 00:56:06,570 Yeah. I don't like necrophilia. 1038 00:56:06,614 --> 00:56:09,114 Okay, because I think one of the things 1039 00:56:09,158 --> 00:56:11,742 that she might have said was that you had mentioned 1040 00:56:11,786 --> 00:56:13,744 that you'd like to rape her mom. 1041 00:56:13,788 --> 00:56:17,456 - Yeah, at one point, I was thinking about it. - Okay. 1042 00:56:17,500 --> 00:56:19,374 He had wanted to rape my mother. 1043 00:56:19,418 --> 00:56:20,876 That's what he wanted to do. 1044 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,669 He was like, "I'm going to kill her, 1045 00:56:22,713 --> 00:56:25,672 but I'm going to do it my way, and I'm going to rape her." 1046 00:56:25,716 --> 00:56:29,051 So what I did was I made a deal with him. 1047 00:56:29,095 --> 00:56:34,181 I'd let him rape me, and-- 1048 00:56:34,225 --> 00:56:37,017 and then he wouldn't-- he wouldn't do that to my mom. 1049 00:56:39,980 --> 00:56:42,481 - So you guys have sex. - Yes. 1050 00:56:42,525 --> 00:56:46,151 And what kind of sex? What is sex like to you? 1051 00:56:46,195 --> 00:56:50,489 Well, to me, the kind of sex that it was 1052 00:56:50,533 --> 00:56:54,451 was pretty much kind of con-- consensual? 1053 00:56:54,495 --> 00:56:56,912 Is that the word I'm looking for? 1054 00:56:56,956 --> 00:57:00,040 Officer: Like, are you biting her? Are you punching her? 1055 00:57:00,084 --> 00:57:02,668 Godejohn: No, no, I would never lay my hands on her. 1056 00:57:02,711 --> 00:57:05,045 I didn't even bite her at all, actually. 1057 00:57:05,089 --> 00:57:08,173 Not for a long time, that is. 1058 00:57:08,217 --> 00:57:11,093 The very first time, she whispered in my ear 1059 00:57:11,137 --> 00:57:13,470 that that was a turn-on of hers, is biting. 1060 00:57:13,514 --> 00:57:14,763 - I bit her twice. - Okay. 1061 00:57:14,807 --> 00:57:16,598 The first time I can't remember. 1062 00:57:16,642 --> 00:57:19,685 The second time I remember, because I bit her a lot harder. 1063 00:57:19,728 --> 00:57:21,979 However, she seemed to still enjoy it 1064 00:57:22,022 --> 00:57:24,273 even though it was really hard. 1065 00:57:24,316 --> 00:57:27,734 Gypsy: Technically, once we got to that point, 1066 00:57:27,778 --> 00:57:30,863 I screamed for him to stop, and he didn't. 1067 00:57:30,906 --> 00:57:34,783 So I don't consider it to be consensual. 1068 00:57:39,331 --> 00:57:41,039 Okay, all right. 1069 00:57:41,083 --> 00:57:43,292 Is there a reason you didn't feel pleasure? 1070 00:57:43,335 --> 00:57:46,962 I don't know. It's really hard to say. 1071 00:57:47,006 --> 00:57:49,798 I did make her have an orgasm once. 1072 00:57:49,842 --> 00:57:54,219 - Okay. - And then after that, I-- she might've blew me a bit. 1073 00:57:54,263 --> 00:57:57,306 And then after that, I think we stopped because we realized 1074 00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:58,974 there was a lot of packing and stuff to do. 1075 00:57:59,018 --> 00:58:01,101 Okay, so you guys get everything packed. 1076 00:58:01,145 --> 00:58:02,769 She wipes down the fingerprints. 1077 00:58:02,813 --> 00:58:04,313 And then what do you guys do? 1078 00:58:04,356 --> 00:58:09,109 We get in a taxi and we get to the hotel. 1079 00:58:14,491 --> 00:58:15,908 Hi, honey. 1080 00:58:18,954 --> 00:58:20,454 I'm filming. 1081 00:58:34,345 --> 00:58:36,595 He's eating a brownie! 1082 00:58:38,766 --> 00:58:41,266 Gypsy: But later, he will be eating me! 1083 00:58:44,563 --> 00:58:47,397 I loved Nick very much at that time, 1084 00:58:47,441 --> 00:58:50,442 and being with him felt exciting 1085 00:58:50,486 --> 00:58:53,695 because I was with someone I loved 1086 00:58:53,739 --> 00:58:55,822 and someone I thought cared for me. 1087 00:59:00,412 --> 00:59:03,372 We took a Greyhound bus back to Wisconsin. 1088 00:59:06,502 --> 00:59:10,295 My mind wasn't thinking back to what was at my house. 1089 00:59:10,339 --> 00:59:12,506 I just kept thinking, "I'm free, I'm free," 1090 00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:16,343 and that excitement of being free and walking. 1091 00:59:17,972 --> 00:59:20,889 I always reference myself to this little bluebird 1092 00:59:20,933 --> 00:59:23,392 that was trapped in an invisible cage, 1093 00:59:23,435 --> 00:59:27,854 and I felt like this bluebird was set free. 1094 00:59:27,898 --> 00:59:29,606 Did you guys talk about your future? 1095 00:59:29,650 --> 00:59:31,692 What was your plans for your future? 1096 00:59:31,735 --> 00:59:35,654 We wanted to have a family together, 1097 00:59:35,698 --> 00:59:39,283 and we wanted to build a life together and stuff. 1098 00:59:39,326 --> 00:59:41,994 We thought we really had a chance to do it, 1099 00:59:42,037 --> 00:59:43,829 so we were happy about that. 1100 01:00:02,725 --> 01:00:05,559 Does your mom and stepdad know what you did? 1101 01:00:05,602 --> 01:00:07,269 No, they don't. 1102 01:00:07,313 --> 01:00:09,604 And this is the first time they ever met Gypsy? 1103 01:00:09,648 --> 01:00:11,148 Yeah. In person, yes. 1104 01:00:11,191 --> 01:00:13,942 Okay, and they agreed to let her live there? 1105 01:00:13,986 --> 01:00:15,360 - Yep. - Okay. 1106 01:00:17,865 --> 01:00:20,532 Officer: What did you do think about Gypsy? 1107 01:00:20,576 --> 01:00:24,995 You know, it was weird because when I picked them up 1108 01:00:25,039 --> 01:00:27,622 from the bus station, I even asked her, 1109 01:00:27,666 --> 01:00:29,333 "How's your mom doing? How is your..." 1110 01:00:29,376 --> 01:00:31,877 'Cause I was told she was in a homeless shelter. 1111 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,086 Her mom kicked her out. 1112 01:00:33,130 --> 01:00:34,671 So I asked her how her mom was doing. 1113 01:00:34,715 --> 01:00:36,757 This might have been the first thing I asked her. 1114 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,634 No big deal, They acted like nothing. 1115 01:00:39,678 --> 01:00:41,053 What was your impression? 1116 01:00:41,096 --> 01:00:43,388 Did you feel like there was anything wrong? 1117 01:00:43,432 --> 01:00:45,474 - Did you feel like everything was good? - Everything seemed normal. 1118 01:00:45,517 --> 01:00:47,726 The only thing that freaked me out is she was wearing a wig. 1119 01:00:47,770 --> 01:00:49,561 Okay. 1120 01:00:49,605 --> 01:00:51,897 Hancock: Did you remember getting in the mail 1121 01:00:51,940 --> 01:00:55,734 an envelope or anything addressed to Nick or Gypsy or anything like that? 1122 01:00:55,778 --> 01:01:01,573 There was one that just came in-- hmm-- Saturday? 1123 01:01:01,617 --> 01:01:03,950 I have no idea what was in it. 1124 01:01:03,994 --> 01:01:06,036 Hancock: That was my next question. 1125 01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,830 - Charles: I don't go through mail. - Okay. 1126 01:01:08,874 --> 01:01:12,042 Charles: Maybe I should have. 1127 01:01:12,086 --> 01:01:14,252 - That was the night that he had stabbed her to death. - What? 1128 01:01:14,296 --> 01:01:17,214 They mailed it from their house there to your house. 1129 01:01:17,257 --> 01:01:19,132 - Are you serious? - Yes, ma'am. 1130 01:01:19,176 --> 01:01:22,135 - Oh, my God. - And that was located in your house. 1131 01:01:22,179 --> 01:01:24,179 Stephanie: My God. 1132 01:01:24,223 --> 01:01:26,515 Officer: I think there was a little-- 1133 01:01:26,558 --> 01:01:30,560 around $4,000-5,000 of cash 1134 01:01:30,604 --> 01:01:32,813 that they had stolen from her mom. 1135 01:01:32,856 --> 01:01:35,399 Stephanie: My God. 1136 01:01:35,442 --> 01:01:36,858 Did you see the Facebook post where it says-- 1137 01:01:36,902 --> 01:01:38,568 - No. - Okay, that's right. 1138 01:01:38,612 --> 01:01:41,863 On Dee and Gypsy's Facebook post that they share, 1139 01:01:41,907 --> 01:01:43,949 there are some horrible messages 1140 01:01:43,992 --> 01:01:45,951 that were posted on there that said, like-- 1141 01:01:45,994 --> 01:01:48,078 I believe, like, they slashed her-- 1142 01:01:48,122 --> 01:01:49,746 like, "I slashed her. I killed her. 1143 01:01:49,790 --> 01:01:51,915 And then I raped the girl, and the girl's dead, too." 1144 01:01:51,959 --> 01:01:55,335 Well, those all were actually posted by Gypsy. 1145 01:01:57,589 --> 01:02:00,298 Dr. Feldman: Startlingly with Gypsy, 1146 01:02:00,342 --> 01:02:03,718 who went online to announce, you know, 1147 01:02:03,762 --> 01:02:08,098 "That bitch is dead," and to go even further 1148 01:02:08,142 --> 01:02:12,519 and describe a scenario where she was raped 1149 01:02:12,563 --> 01:02:14,604 is just perverse. 1150 01:02:14,648 --> 01:02:17,566 It implies a fair degree of sociopathy. 1151 01:02:17,609 --> 01:02:21,111 Just the way the girl acted-- 1152 01:02:21,155 --> 01:02:23,989 I mean, how can you do something to your mother 1153 01:02:24,032 --> 01:02:26,283 and lose your mother, and just act like that? 1154 01:02:26,326 --> 01:02:30,579 I was like-- I'm just trying to wrap my head around it. 1155 01:02:30,622 --> 01:02:32,664 I mean, they acted like two normal people. 1156 01:02:32,708 --> 01:02:35,375 - Yeah. - That's what's really freaky. 1157 01:02:35,419 --> 01:02:38,003 Yeah. 1158 01:02:38,046 --> 01:02:39,713 How can you do that? 1159 01:02:41,758 --> 01:02:43,967 Bobby: Gypsy might have been the mastermind herself. 1160 01:02:44,011 --> 01:02:45,844 I think it's most anybody's instinct to, 1161 01:02:45,888 --> 01:02:48,763 "Oh, shit, you murdered your mother," you know? 1162 01:02:48,807 --> 01:02:51,850 Watch that girl. 1163 01:02:51,894 --> 01:02:54,394 Don't turn your back. You she might stab you. 1164 01:02:57,774 --> 01:03:01,109 Dean: I do think Gypsy is potentially dangerous. 1165 01:03:02,529 --> 01:03:04,696 Dee Dee was a master manipulator, 1166 01:03:04,740 --> 01:03:07,199 and it's impossible that Gypsy would not 1167 01:03:07,242 --> 01:03:09,367 have picked this up and used it. 1168 01:03:13,790 --> 01:03:15,373 - Yeah. - You know? 1169 01:03:17,085 --> 01:03:19,461 I know. I mean, that's the way it works, though, 1170 01:03:19,505 --> 01:03:21,087 when you have what he has. 1171 01:03:21,131 --> 01:03:23,548 Your mind focuses on one thing. Do you know what I mean? 1172 01:03:23,592 --> 01:03:25,258 Yes, ma'am. 1173 01:03:25,302 --> 01:03:28,094 Do you think that if Gypsy hadn't asked you to kill her mom, 1174 01:03:28,138 --> 01:03:29,513 you'd have ever killed her mom? 1175 01:03:29,556 --> 01:03:30,889 I know I wouldn't have done it. 1176 01:03:30,933 --> 01:03:32,807 Okay. You just did it because you loved Gypsy 1177 01:03:32,851 --> 01:03:34,142 and Gypsy asked you to do it. 1178 01:03:34,186 --> 01:03:35,393 Is that what I'm thinking? 1179 01:03:35,437 --> 01:03:36,811 - Yes. - Okay. 1180 01:03:36,855 --> 01:03:40,649 For him to ruin his life over that, 1181 01:03:40,692 --> 01:03:43,777 I'm sorry, but she's a beast. 1182 01:03:43,820 --> 01:03:45,820 Yeah. 1183 01:03:45,864 --> 01:03:49,282 She now doesn't have a language 1184 01:03:49,326 --> 01:03:52,744 beyond manipulation and retaliation. 1185 01:03:52,788 --> 01:03:55,914 I mean, is she taking any sort of-- 1186 01:03:55,958 --> 01:03:59,209 you know, is she like, "Well, okay, it was me, too," 1187 01:03:59,253 --> 01:04:00,752 or is she to trying to put it all on Nick? 1188 01:04:00,796 --> 01:04:02,128 She... 1189 01:04:03,799 --> 01:04:06,132 takes some responsibility, 1190 01:04:06,176 --> 01:04:09,469 but not much. 1191 01:04:09,513 --> 01:04:11,221 Not much at all. 1192 01:04:11,265 --> 01:04:13,723 - Did you kill your mom? - No. No, sir. 1193 01:04:13,767 --> 01:04:15,392 - Did you help? - No, sir. 1194 01:04:15,435 --> 01:04:18,770 - No one else killed your mom? - No, sir. 1195 01:04:18,814 --> 01:04:20,897 No, sir. 1196 01:04:20,941 --> 01:04:22,691 Did you have knowledge that Nicholas 1197 01:04:22,734 --> 01:04:25,110 was going to kill your mom before he did it? 1198 01:04:25,153 --> 01:04:26,278 No, sir. 1199 01:04:29,449 --> 01:04:30,991 Okay. Sit tight for me, okay? 1200 01:04:31,034 --> 01:04:32,492 It's okay. 1201 01:04:47,634 --> 01:04:49,926 I wonder if people feel that Gypsy 1202 01:04:49,970 --> 01:04:52,012 is telling them the truth now. 1203 01:04:55,309 --> 01:04:57,726 Female voice: Hello, you have a call from... 1204 01:04:57,769 --> 01:05:00,520 Gypsy: Gypsy Rose. 1205 01:05:00,564 --> 01:05:05,108 She was still in Wisconsin when she called me. 1206 01:05:05,152 --> 01:05:07,235 Kristy on phone: Hey, my sweetie. 1207 01:05:07,279 --> 01:05:10,238 Gypsy: Hi! Is this Kristy? 1208 01:05:10,282 --> 01:05:11,781 Kristy: Yes, baby. 1209 01:05:11,825 --> 01:05:13,575 Gypsy: Hi! Oh, my God. 1210 01:05:13,619 --> 01:05:15,994 It's so good to hear your voice. 1211 01:05:16,038 --> 01:05:21,333 At that time, she still wasn't trusting, really, anyone. 1212 01:05:21,376 --> 01:05:27,005 She was still not telling Mike everything. 1213 01:05:27,049 --> 01:05:28,840 Gypsy: I'm innocent. 1214 01:05:28,884 --> 01:05:31,760 It's a complicated situation, 1215 01:05:31,803 --> 01:05:36,264 but what they say on the news is not true. 1216 01:05:36,308 --> 01:05:38,975 Then we went in the courtroom, 1217 01:05:39,019 --> 01:05:43,021 and that's when they showed all the text messaging. 1218 01:05:43,065 --> 01:05:45,774 And when they said they were presenting that, 1219 01:05:45,817 --> 01:05:48,693 she turned around and looked at us 1220 01:05:48,737 --> 01:05:51,571 with fear in her eyes. 1221 01:05:51,615 --> 01:05:54,783 I guess she didn't think that they were going to pull 1222 01:05:54,826 --> 01:05:56,743 all of those messages up. 1223 01:05:57,913 --> 01:06:00,038 Carr: 1224 01:06:00,082 --> 01:06:02,248 Yeah, I did. 1225 01:06:13,929 --> 01:06:15,345 They didn't get caught red-handed, 1226 01:06:15,389 --> 01:06:17,180 but they got caught red-handed. 1227 01:06:17,224 --> 01:06:18,765 You know, they have a lot of evidence. 1228 01:06:18,809 --> 01:06:23,228 They have the murder weapon, texts, videos. 1229 01:06:23,271 --> 01:06:27,273 I mean, no doubt they did it or planned it and everything, 1230 01:06:27,317 --> 01:06:31,361 so it was just a matter of why they did it, 1231 01:06:31,405 --> 01:06:33,655 you know, and is that reasonable? 1232 01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:36,991 Carr: Are you happy that your mom 1233 01:06:37,035 --> 01:06:39,244 is not here to abuse you anymore? 1234 01:06:40,956 --> 01:06:42,789 Yeah. 1235 01:06:42,833 --> 01:06:46,668 But at the same time, I'm not happy that she's dead. 1236 01:06:46,712 --> 01:06:48,378 You know, I didn't want that. 1237 01:06:48,422 --> 01:06:52,215 I know it sounds strange to plan something 1238 01:06:52,259 --> 01:06:54,759 and go through the steps to make it happen, 1239 01:06:54,803 --> 01:06:58,346 and then-- but at the same time not want it to happen. 1240 01:07:00,392 --> 01:07:02,851 One of the problems with the legal system 1241 01:07:02,894 --> 01:07:05,103 is that it demands that people have this one intention 1242 01:07:05,147 --> 01:07:08,273 and this one moment in time and be certain about it, 1243 01:07:08,316 --> 01:07:10,275 and I'm not sure that that really happens. 1244 01:07:10,318 --> 01:07:13,653 And especially in this case, I'm not sure that it happens. 1245 01:07:13,697 --> 01:07:16,781 It's possible that Gypsy had ultimately ambivalent feelings 1246 01:07:16,825 --> 01:07:19,451 about killing her mother. 1247 01:07:19,494 --> 01:07:21,161 I wonder what she was thinking in the other room 1248 01:07:21,204 --> 01:07:23,329 listening to her mother screaming sometimes. 1249 01:07:23,373 --> 01:07:26,207 I didn't think anything. 1250 01:07:26,251 --> 01:07:28,168 I was scared. 1251 01:07:28,211 --> 01:07:31,171 I was shaking. 1252 01:07:31,214 --> 01:07:34,007 I just-- I didn't have a thought in my brain. 1253 01:07:37,012 --> 01:07:39,179 It was like it was all not real. 1254 01:07:41,892 --> 01:07:45,226 I was on a bunch of medications, and I know that's no excuse, 1255 01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:49,189 but on Xanax, I felt like I had no emotion 1256 01:07:49,232 --> 01:07:51,191 and I wasn't thinking right. 1257 01:07:53,612 --> 01:07:57,363 Munchausen by proxy victims can lose contact 1258 01:07:57,407 --> 01:07:59,115 with reality at times, 1259 01:07:59,159 --> 01:08:01,868 and that may be part of the defence 1260 01:08:01,912 --> 01:08:04,329 in Gypsy's case. 1261 01:08:04,372 --> 01:08:06,956 She may have trouble distinguishing 1262 01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,541 what's real and what isn't. 1263 01:08:08,585 --> 01:08:11,127 Is sickness real or is it fake? 1264 01:08:11,171 --> 01:08:15,715 Is death real, or is it exaggerated or fake? 1265 01:08:15,759 --> 01:08:19,594 So, I think she had limited capacity for reality testing, 1266 01:08:19,638 --> 01:08:21,930 which just means seeing what's normal behavior 1267 01:08:21,973 --> 01:08:24,224 and what's really strange behavior. 1268 01:08:27,020 --> 01:08:31,940 Stanfield: Gypsy grew up in essentially an alternate reality 1269 01:08:31,983 --> 01:08:34,901 to what the rest of us live. 1270 01:08:34,945 --> 01:08:38,905 By her mother isolating her from the outside world, 1271 01:08:38,949 --> 01:08:43,201 she doesn't know or understand what normal really is. 1272 01:08:43,245 --> 01:08:44,869 Hi. 1273 01:08:44,913 --> 01:08:46,454 Gypsy: In so many ways, 1274 01:08:46,498 --> 01:08:50,458 I don't know what's right, what's wrong, 1275 01:08:50,502 --> 01:08:55,088 but to say that, yes, I did this. 1276 01:08:55,131 --> 01:08:56,798 I'm sorry for it. 1277 01:08:56,842 --> 01:08:58,925 I feel bad for it. 1278 01:09:00,804 --> 01:09:02,762 It just feels good to be honest. 1279 01:09:17,737 --> 01:09:19,863 Gypsy: The only thing that I could've done differently 1280 01:09:19,906 --> 01:09:22,574 that I know better now is reach out to my dad, 1281 01:09:22,617 --> 01:09:24,534 told my dad. 1282 01:09:24,578 --> 01:09:27,078 And he could have came and got me, 1283 01:09:27,122 --> 01:09:28,496 and I would've went and lived with him. 1284 01:09:35,630 --> 01:09:36,880 Rod: There's a McDonald's right here 1285 01:09:36,923 --> 01:09:38,631 where I'd visit with Gypsy. 1286 01:09:40,093 --> 01:09:43,177 At that time, she was real young. 1287 01:09:43,221 --> 01:09:44,637 I remember one visit... 1288 01:09:46,099 --> 01:09:47,473 she was so scared of me, man. 1289 01:09:47,517 --> 01:09:49,017 She was shaking. 1290 01:09:49,060 --> 01:09:52,353 I don't know what Dee Dee told her about me, 1291 01:09:52,397 --> 01:09:55,815 but I probably was the big bad wolf or something, you know? 1292 01:09:55,859 --> 01:10:00,653 Gypsy must have been so confused, you know? 1293 01:10:00,697 --> 01:10:02,322 She was probably telling her the day before 1294 01:10:02,365 --> 01:10:05,325 that, you know, I don't love her and all this stuff, 1295 01:10:05,368 --> 01:10:09,996 and then here she is visiting with me and telling her, 1296 01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,874 "Look, that's your daddy. Give him a hug," you know? 1297 01:10:15,253 --> 01:10:18,296 That's old history now, so we're just going to try to build 1298 01:10:18,340 --> 01:10:21,382 a real father-daughter intimate relationship, 1299 01:10:21,426 --> 01:10:23,176 you know, like we should have. 1300 01:10:27,307 --> 01:10:29,891 It's hard. 1301 01:10:29,935 --> 01:10:32,644 Thinking what she had to go through 1302 01:10:32,687 --> 01:10:34,979 and that she didn't have to go through all that. 1303 01:10:35,023 --> 01:10:38,650 - Woman: See this? - Look at that. 1304 01:10:38,693 --> 01:10:41,778 She would probably have been a perfectly fine kid 1305 01:10:41,821 --> 01:10:44,572 had it not been her mom was Dee Dee. 1306 01:10:46,076 --> 01:10:48,034 Okay, y'all want to get the table ready or what? 1307 01:10:48,078 --> 01:10:49,869 - Women: Yes. - We're going to eat off the trays? 1308 01:10:49,913 --> 01:10:51,663 Claude: She could've had a normal life. 1309 01:10:51,706 --> 01:10:56,334 I hope she gets out, and I don't know what-- 1310 01:10:56,378 --> 01:10:59,045 what she's going to do when she gets out. 1311 01:10:59,089 --> 01:11:01,172 She was punished enough 1312 01:11:01,216 --> 01:11:04,092 to where they should let her go free. 1313 01:11:04,135 --> 01:11:05,677 That's the way I feel. 1314 01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:08,388 'Cause that child's-- she's been through a lot. 1315 01:11:09,683 --> 01:11:11,432 Kristy: Look at her. 1316 01:11:11,476 --> 01:11:14,686 - Woman: Is that Gypsy? - Yeah, when she was normal. 1317 01:11:19,943 --> 01:11:24,362 I blame myself now for not doing more. 1318 01:11:24,406 --> 01:11:26,197 I mean, it is what it is. 1319 01:11:26,241 --> 01:11:29,200 I'm not a "blame yourself" type of guy, 1320 01:11:29,244 --> 01:11:32,120 but who else is there to look at, you know? 1321 01:12:09,159 --> 01:12:10,825 Okay. 1322 01:12:10,869 --> 01:12:13,286 This is-- sorry. 1323 01:12:13,329 --> 01:12:16,831 I didn't realize they were going to bring you out immediately. 1324 01:12:16,875 --> 01:12:19,625 This is the new charge-- class-A felony 1325 01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:21,419 of murder in the second degree, 1326 01:12:21,463 --> 01:12:23,129 and then acting in concert with another 1327 01:12:23,173 --> 01:12:25,590 who knowingly caused the death of your mother 1328 01:12:25,633 --> 01:12:28,468 by stabbing her, okay? 1329 01:12:38,104 --> 01:12:39,645 This is in the case of State of Missouri 1330 01:12:39,689 --> 01:12:41,898 v. Gypsy Rose Blanchard. 1331 01:12:41,941 --> 01:12:43,441 Please raise your right hand. 1332 01:12:43,485 --> 01:12:45,193 Do you swear and affirm that the testimony 1333 01:12:45,236 --> 01:12:46,778 you're about to give will be the truth, 1334 01:12:46,821 --> 01:12:48,654 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? 1335 01:12:48,698 --> 01:12:50,448 Yes, sir. 1336 01:12:50,492 --> 01:12:52,283 Would you state your name for the record, please? 1337 01:12:52,327 --> 01:12:54,744 - Gypsy Blanchard. - And how old are you? 1338 01:12:54,788 --> 01:12:57,914 I'm going to be 25 years old, but 24. 1339 01:12:57,957 --> 01:13:00,875 Okay. And how far did you go in school? 1340 01:13:00,919 --> 01:13:03,753 About the second grade. 1341 01:13:03,797 --> 01:13:05,922 How do you plead to the class-A felony 1342 01:13:05,965 --> 01:13:07,632 of murder in the second degree? 1343 01:13:07,675 --> 01:13:10,218 - Guilty. - The court finds that there is 1344 01:13:10,261 --> 01:13:12,637 a factual basis for a plea of guilty. 1345 01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:15,056 The court accepts defendant's plea of guilty 1346 01:13:15,100 --> 01:13:18,059 and finds the defendant guilty thereof beyond a reasonable doubt. 1347 01:13:18,103 --> 01:13:20,144 She's to be sentenced to 10 years 1348 01:13:20,188 --> 01:13:22,438 in the Missouri Department of Corrections. 1349 01:13:22,482 --> 01:13:24,899 She'll have to do 85% of her sentence 1350 01:13:24,943 --> 01:13:29,195 before she's eligible for parole. 1351 01:13:29,239 --> 01:13:30,530 Let's go off the record. 1352 01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,749 There you are. 1353 01:13:41,793 --> 01:13:47,171 Patterson: This case is unusual and extraordinary. 1354 01:13:47,215 --> 01:13:50,258 Gypsy Blanchard endured nearly two decades 1355 01:13:50,301 --> 01:13:54,554 of systematic, purposeful abuse 1356 01:13:54,597 --> 01:13:58,099 at the hands of her mother for the purpose of fraud. 1357 01:13:58,143 --> 01:14:00,685 And so, by amending to murder in the second degree, 1358 01:14:00,728 --> 01:14:04,689 we were able to both hold Gypsy Blanchard accountable for the murder, 1359 01:14:04,732 --> 01:14:07,859 which was not justified nor excusable, 1360 01:14:07,902 --> 01:14:11,779 but yet account for those mitigating circumstances. 1361 01:14:11,823 --> 01:14:15,324 All of us involved are-- it's a relief. 1362 01:14:15,368 --> 01:14:17,285 You know, at the very beginning of this, 1363 01:14:17,328 --> 01:14:20,913 there was the question of the death penalty on the table. 1364 01:14:20,957 --> 01:14:24,167 Ultimately, it's the best outcome for her. 1365 01:14:24,210 --> 01:14:26,252 It's the best outcome for the State of Missouri 1366 01:14:26,296 --> 01:14:30,464 and ultimately the right thing to do for everybody. 1367 01:14:30,508 --> 01:14:32,049 That one's in this pocket. 1368 01:14:32,093 --> 01:14:34,218 Ooh. 1369 01:14:34,262 --> 01:14:36,179 I mean, it's a murder. 1370 01:14:36,222 --> 01:14:37,638 There's nothing we can do about that, 1371 01:14:37,682 --> 01:14:40,850 so, you know, that has to be dealt with. 1372 01:14:40,894 --> 01:14:45,521 But ultimately, when you look at the fact 1373 01:14:45,565 --> 01:14:47,857 that at the end of that 8 1/2 years, 1374 01:14:47,901 --> 01:14:50,735 when she's already done a year of that, 1375 01:14:50,778 --> 01:14:52,528 she'll be 32 years old. 1376 01:14:52,572 --> 01:14:54,697 She'll be three years younger than I am right now. 1377 01:14:54,741 --> 01:14:57,450 So, I mean, she will actually be able 1378 01:14:57,493 --> 01:15:01,329 to enjoy just the world. 1379 01:15:03,124 --> 01:15:05,708 Carr: Do you think 10 years in jail is better 1380 01:15:05,752 --> 01:15:08,711 than 10 years of living the way that you had to live? 1381 01:15:08,755 --> 01:15:12,048 Yes, it is. 1382 01:15:12,091 --> 01:15:15,927 I need to start over like I'm newly born. 1383 01:15:34,530 --> 01:15:35,988 - Honey? - Yeah. 1384 01:15:36,032 --> 01:15:37,240 - Green? - Yeah. 1385 01:15:37,283 --> 01:15:39,492 White or green? 1386 01:15:39,535 --> 01:15:41,327 No, no, no, no, no. 1387 01:15:41,371 --> 01:15:42,662 It's my favorite hat. 1388 01:15:42,705 --> 01:15:44,121 No, other hat. 1389 01:15:48,086 --> 01:15:51,170 Kristy: I'm holding on to that girl. 1390 01:15:51,214 --> 01:15:53,422 You know, it's going to be very emotional. 1391 01:15:53,466 --> 01:15:55,424 Yeah, you're a big crybaby. 1392 01:15:55,468 --> 01:15:56,550 You're probably gonna cry, too. 1393 01:15:56,594 --> 01:15:57,885 And then when you're gonna cry, 1394 01:15:57,929 --> 01:15:59,804 I'm going to cry 1395 01:15:59,847 --> 01:16:01,472 because you're crying, 1396 01:16:01,516 --> 01:16:03,683 because it's hard to see grown men cry. 1397 01:16:06,854 --> 01:16:08,271 I don't cry. 1398 01:16:08,314 --> 01:16:09,480 Bullshit. 1399 01:16:11,818 --> 01:16:13,317 You cry. 1400 01:16:26,624 --> 01:16:29,083 - Hello. - Daddy. 1401 01:16:29,127 --> 01:16:31,502 Oh... 1402 01:16:35,008 --> 01:16:36,549 I've missed you. 1403 01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:44,724 - You're so big. - I know! 1404 01:16:44,767 --> 01:16:46,726 I'm almost as tall as you. 1405 01:16:52,442 --> 01:16:54,567 So how's everything going with you health-wise? 1406 01:16:54,610 --> 01:16:56,319 - You good? You feel good? - It's going good, yeah. 1407 01:16:56,362 --> 01:16:57,820 You've been exercising and everything? 1408 01:16:57,864 --> 01:17:00,406 I've been going to the rec yard, been exercising. 1409 01:17:00,450 --> 01:17:02,491 That's good. 1410 01:17:02,535 --> 01:17:04,410 My tube site is finally all healed. 1411 01:17:04,454 --> 01:17:05,828 It's gone? That's good. 1412 01:17:05,872 --> 01:17:07,747 Looks great. Looks good. 1413 01:17:07,790 --> 01:17:10,458 All healed up, so... 1414 01:17:10,501 --> 01:17:12,376 Every once in a while, I get a little pain, 1415 01:17:12,420 --> 01:17:14,795 but I think it's just phantom pain or something. 1416 01:17:14,839 --> 01:17:15,963 Yeah. 1417 01:17:17,091 --> 01:17:19,008 So, are you glad that it's-- 1418 01:17:19,052 --> 01:17:20,593 I'm happy that it's over. 1419 01:17:20,636 --> 01:17:25,556 Yeah. We was-- honestly, we was hoping for less. 1420 01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:29,101 I mean, I know it was your decision and everything. 1421 01:17:29,145 --> 01:17:31,729 - That's a gamble you take. I mean-- - Yeah. 1422 01:17:31,773 --> 01:17:33,898 I look at it like you could've got 30 years. 1423 01:17:33,941 --> 01:17:38,194 I look at it that I could've got life in prison, you know? 1424 01:17:38,237 --> 01:17:42,114 I was hitting a really down point, 1425 01:17:42,158 --> 01:17:45,534 and it was before-- before the plea agreement, 1426 01:17:45,578 --> 01:17:49,038 before I knew anything about it. 1427 01:17:49,082 --> 01:17:52,917 I was thinking if I get life in prison 1428 01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,961 and that is what I get, 1429 01:17:56,005 --> 01:17:58,839 I'm committing suicide right now, you know? 1430 01:17:58,883 --> 01:18:01,300 I was seriously considering it. 1431 01:18:01,344 --> 01:18:03,344 - Well, baby-- - 'Cause I'm like, it could just be over. 1432 01:18:04,639 --> 01:18:07,098 I just want to make sure you know that 1433 01:18:07,141 --> 01:18:09,767 if I had done anything wrong, I'm sorry, baby. 1434 01:18:09,811 --> 01:18:11,602 No, I don't think you did anything wrong. 1435 01:18:11,646 --> 01:18:15,398 I think it's just Mom was very good at what she was doing, 1436 01:18:15,441 --> 01:18:18,818 and I think you just was completely in the dark. 1437 01:18:18,861 --> 01:18:20,611 And I don't-- I want you to know 1438 01:18:20,655 --> 01:18:25,241 I don't blame you for any of it, either of you. 1439 01:18:25,284 --> 01:18:27,952 - Thank you. - I take blame on myself. 1440 01:18:27,995 --> 01:18:31,705 And I blame other people, but I never once blamed y'all. 1441 01:18:31,749 --> 01:18:34,708 Don't blame yourself, sweetie. 1442 01:18:34,752 --> 01:18:38,629 We blame-- I hold enough for myself, you know? 1443 01:18:38,673 --> 01:18:40,589 Accountability, it's-- 1444 01:18:40,633 --> 01:18:42,675 but, I mean, we're not gonna dwell on that. 1445 01:18:42,718 --> 01:18:44,176 - No. - No. 1446 01:18:44,220 --> 01:18:46,303 We're gonna go forward, and when you get out.. 1447 01:18:46,347 --> 01:18:48,597 - We'll heal together. - ...you're still gonna be young. 1448 01:18:48,641 --> 01:18:52,309 We can have a great relationship. 1449 01:18:52,353 --> 01:18:55,354 Look, God pulled you through it. 1450 01:18:55,398 --> 01:18:58,315 - Rod: Yeah. - You know? 1451 01:18:58,359 --> 01:19:01,569 The devil don't got you, baby. God got you. 1452 01:19:01,612 --> 01:19:04,029 - Gypsy: Yeah. - And we got you. 1453 01:19:08,703 --> 01:19:09,869 Give me a hug. 1454 01:19:13,166 --> 01:19:14,415 Hang in there, baby. 1455 01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:17,918 You need anything, call any time, okay? 1456 01:19:17,962 --> 01:19:19,503 Oh, she knows. 1457 01:19:19,547 --> 01:19:22,882 We'll come see you again over there, wherever. 1458 01:19:22,925 --> 01:19:25,092 Just hang tight. Stay strong. 1459 01:19:25,136 --> 01:19:27,553 - We love you. - I love you, too. 1460 01:19:30,766 --> 01:19:32,683 I don't want to go. 1461 01:19:40,234 --> 01:19:42,943 I don't want to go. I don't want to go. 1462 01:19:49,535 --> 01:19:53,162 It's okay, baby. You can do it, okay? 1463 01:19:53,206 --> 01:19:55,915 Just stay strong. 1464 01:19:55,958 --> 01:19:58,709 You got this far, okay? 1465 01:19:58,753 --> 01:20:00,211 The rest is gonna be easier. 1466 01:20:00,254 --> 01:20:02,379 - Okay. Okay. - Okay? 1467 01:20:05,218 --> 01:20:06,884 You guys have a safe trip back. 1468 01:20:06,928 --> 01:20:08,636 - Don't get in no trouble. - I won't. 1469 01:20:08,679 --> 01:20:10,012 - Be good. - I'll be a good girl. 1470 01:20:10,056 --> 01:20:12,348 - Follow the rules. - I will. 1471 01:20:12,391 --> 01:20:13,682 Bye. 1472 01:20:13,726 --> 01:20:16,101 - Set a good example. - I will. 1473 01:20:30,910 --> 01:20:33,744 ♪ We were very happy ♪ 1474 01:20:33,788 --> 01:20:38,541 ♪ Well, at least I thought we were ♪ 1475 01:20:38,584 --> 01:20:43,504 ♪ Can't somebody tell me what's got into her? ♪ 1476 01:20:43,548 --> 01:20:47,508 ♪ A house, a home, a family ♪ 1477 01:20:47,552 --> 01:20:51,845 ♪ And a man that loves her so ♪ 1478 01:20:51,889 --> 01:20:54,932 ♪ Oh, say, has anybody seen ♪ 1479 01:20:54,976 --> 01:20:58,269 ♪ My sweet Gypsy Rose? ♪ 1480 01:20:58,312 --> 01:21:02,856 ♪ Here's her picture when she was my sweet Mary Jo ♪ 1481 01:21:02,900 --> 01:21:06,318 ♪ Now she's got rings on her fingers ♪ 1482 01:21:06,362 --> 01:21:09,488 ♪ And bells on her toes ♪ 1483 01:21:09,532 --> 01:21:14,952 ♪ Say, has anybody seen my sweet Gypsy Rose? ♪ 1484 01:21:14,996 --> 01:21:18,414 ♪ Oh, I got wind my Jo's been dancin' ♪ 1485 01:21:18,457 --> 01:21:20,916 ♪ Here in New Orleans ♪ 1486 01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:23,419 ♪ In this smoke-filled honky-tonk ♪ 1487 01:21:23,462 --> 01:21:26,088 ♪ They call the Land of Dreams ♪ 1488 01:21:26,132 --> 01:21:28,882 ♪ Whoa, here she comes a-struttin' ♪ 1489 01:21:28,926 --> 01:21:32,011 ♪ In her birthday clothes ♪ 1490 01:21:32,054 --> 01:21:37,641 ♪ Say, has anybody seen my sweet Gypsy Rose? ♪ 1491 01:21:40,896 --> 01:21:43,397 ♪ Sweet Gypsy Rose ♪ 1492 01:21:46,235 --> 01:21:47,860 ♪ Sweet Gypsy Rose ♪ 1493 01:21:47,903 --> 01:21:51,238 ♪ So take those rings off your fingers ♪ 1494 01:21:51,282 --> 01:21:54,450 ♪ And bells off your toes ♪ 1495 01:21:54,493 --> 01:21:57,661 ♪ Say, has anybody seen my ♪ 1496 01:21:57,705 --> 01:22:00,331 ♪ Now you know just what I mean by ♪ 1497 01:22:00,374 --> 01:22:04,710 ♪ Has anybody seen my Gypsy Rose? ♪ 115548

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