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[Waukesha County Sheriff's Office]
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[June 15, 2015 10:40PM
Waukesha, WI]
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- Man: Hey, Gypsy, this is Stan.
- Stanley Hancock: Hi, Gypsy.
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- I'll let you guys talk.
- Hi, I'm Det. Hancock.
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I'm with Greene County
Sheriff's Office.
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- How are you today?
- Gypsy: I'm doing good.
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Hancock:
Good.
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Hancock: You need to be honest with me.
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And if you're involved in anything
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that I'm about ready to tell you,
then you need to tell me, okay?
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- Absolutely.
- Um, your mom's dead, okay?
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Now, what I want to ask you--
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- Wait, what, what?
- Your mom's passed away, okay?
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She's deceased, all right?
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Now, what I want to ask you--
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did you have involvement in this?
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- Okay.
- No, no--
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Hang on, listen to me for just
a second, okay?
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- Uh-huh.
- What happened with your mom,
that night?
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Um...
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I don't know what happened
with my mom at all.
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- Help me. Please help me.
- Okay, you...
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Just listen to me, okay, sweetheart?
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You know what happened to
your mom, okay?
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And I know that you know.
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Gypsy: You think that it's me?
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Why would you think that it's me?
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I have always loved my mom.
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My mom and I are best friends.
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Hancock: Listen to me.
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Please don't dig yourself in this hole,
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and that's what you're doing.
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Gypsy: I really love my mom.
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- I know you do.
- Please.
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I know you-- sweetheart,
I know you love your mom.
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I have no doubt that you love your mom.
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Hancock: But why did Nick hurt her?
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Now's the time to be truthful,
sweetheart.
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No more lies.
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- Did you kill your mom?
- Gypsy: No. No, sir.
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Hancock: Did you help Nicholas kill
your mom?
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_
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Man: Ladies and gentlemen,
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please welcome a cancer survivor
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and passionate young lady,
Gypsy Rose Blanchard
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and her mother, Dee Dee Blanchard
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from Springfield, Missouri,
to the stage.
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[Six years earlier]
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♪ I believe ♪
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♪ There are angels among us ♪
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♪ Sent down to us ♪
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♪ From somewhere up above ♪
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♪ They come to you and me ♪
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♪ In our darkest hours. ♪
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Dee Dee: Thank you, my sweetie.
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I've always said
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you're the reason I was born to
be your mama.
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[SPRINGFIELD, MO]
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Reporter: Breaking news this morning.
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48-year-old Dee Dee Blanchard
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was found dead inside her home.
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Her 19-year-old daughter Gypsy
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is still considered missing.
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Jim Arnott: It all started
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receiving a call on June 14th
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to check the well-being of a family.
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[Greene County Sheriff]
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Linda Ong: Gypsy and Dee Dee
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were Hurricane Katrina survivors.
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Everybody believed that they were
coming here
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to the Ozarks to make a better life.
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[Local news reporter
Springfield, MO]
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Arnott: There was a Facebook post
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that was quite alarming.
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We were actually thinking that it was
somebody that hacked into Facebook
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and it wasn't actually a threat.
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[WHAT?!!! Did your FB get hacked?
I have never heard you talk like that.]
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Elaine Scherer: Gypsy was in a
wheelchair.
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She had leukaemia and she was
having seizures
[Community Service Worker Aurora, MO]
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and she had to be tube-fed.
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Arnott: As the sheriff,
my primary responsibility
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at that time was really to ensure
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that her well-being was okay.
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Whatever they were going through
was incredibly hard for them,
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especially with the medical conditions.
[Gypsy's neighbor and friend]
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And so, everybody gathered around them
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and would try to help them out
as much as possible.
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It just proves that happy endings
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are not just in fairy tales,
they're real.
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The Facebook post was quote...
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"The bitch is dead."
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And another post stating,
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"I fucking slashed that fat pig
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and raped her sweet, innocent daughter.
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Her scream was so fucking loud, LOL."
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[Green County Sheriff's Office]
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[June 16, 2015]
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Okay, good morning.
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I want to specify at the beginning
of this press conference
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that this is an ongoing
investigation.
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And I want to start off with saying
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things are not always as they appear.
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The truth is-- okay, I'll admit it.
[Gypsy's boyfriend]
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I did actually...
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stab her.
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- I will admit it.
- I know, okay.
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The only reason I did it
is 'cause I did it
for me and her.
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- I would've never did it
if it was not for me and her.
- Okay.
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I know that he loves me, and...
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he would do anything for me
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and-- to be with me.
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Did Gypsy know that you were going
to kill her mother?
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Um... honestly,
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she asked me to.
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Okay.
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[The bitch is dead]
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Arnott: Both Facebook postings
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were authored by Gypsy.
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[I fucken slashed that fat pig
and raped her sweet innocent
daughter...]
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[Her scream was soooo fucken loud LOL]
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The prosecutor has filed charges
this morning
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for first-degree murder.
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This is a tragic, tragic event
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surrounded by mystery
and public deception.
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Gypsy can walk without assistance
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or a wheelchair...
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and she can do that very well.
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Okay.
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[Gypsy’s arraignment
June 16, 2015]
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This individual has alleged
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to conspire with Nicholas Godejohn
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to stab her mother to death
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so that they could be together.
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- The penalty is life imprisonment
or death. (sobbing)
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Reporter: Seeing Gypsy Blanchard
walk on her own two feet
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in a Wisconsin courtroom
was a shock to friends and neighbors.
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[Gypsy's neighbor]
Is she sick?
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I don't know yet.
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We're trying to figure that out.
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[Can she walk?]
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Um, yes.
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Oh, son of a bitch.
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To see her walk...
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was really upsetting.
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Obviously, if that's a lie,
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then who knows what else was a lie.
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We really don't know the true
background of this family,
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as we have unearthed the appearance
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of a long financial fraud scheme.
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Reporter: The family got
medical airlifts,
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Disney travel, and free housing
over the years
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because of Gypsy's supposed disabilities.
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Reporter #2: It was a facade
that translated online,
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[The Gypsy Rose trip]
donations pouring in
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for Gypsy's reported muscular dystrophy
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and leukaemia.
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[Click here to support Gypsy's
medical trip by Dee
and Gypsy Rose Blanchard]
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Arnott: We have not confirmed
the age of Gypsy.
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It appears that there are
several dates of birth
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that have been used
over a period of time.
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I almost want to say,
"Man, I can't believe she--
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I even wanted to associate with--
why did I even help them?"
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I just never would see
that that little girl
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really wasn't who she was
supposed to be.
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[July 24, 2015]
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[The prosecution presents its
preliminary evidence against Gypsy.]
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Case exhibit 53.
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Can I ask you if you'll tell me
what that is?
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Dan Patterson: Miss Blanchard is charged
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with murder in the first degree.
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When you commit a first-degree murder,
[Greene County Prosecutor]
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you knowingly cause the death
of another person
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after deliberation.
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Analysis of cell phones
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provided evidence of
numerous text messages
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between Gypsy Blanchard
and Nicholas Godejohn.
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Patterson: Nicholas Godejohn was someone
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that Gypsy Blanchard met online.
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They began an online dating relationship.
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Patterson: During the attacks,
the two discussed
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Nicholas killing Clauddine.
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[The shits gonna go down tonight...]
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[Babe its my evil side doing it]
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[he won't mess up because he enjoys killing]
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[...we'll be happy soon.]
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[After this night
we will never bring it up]
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At the beginning,
it looks like a tabloid case.
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It looks like, "Here's some people
in some weird outfits,
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and they're pretending
to be disabled and they're
scamming everybody.
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And then there's this, like,
sort of horrible murder,
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and the Facebook status,
'That bitch is dead.'"
[Freelance Journalist]
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Like, all of it is very tabloid.
[The New Yorker, Buzzfeed]
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And then, gradually, that story
just sort of fell apart.
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Still, it feels to me like it's
developing into something else.
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[Lafourche Parish, LA
Gypsy's hometown]
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[Gypsy's father
Dee Dee's ex-husband]
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I still ask the question,
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"How do you kill your own mother?"
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I mean, there's got to be a reason.
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There's got to be some abuse there.
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You don't just...
"I'm gonna kill my mother
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because I wanna be with a boyfriend."
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Like I told my mom when I called my mom
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and talked to her about it.
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I said, "Mama, I've been-- you know,
I was mad at you before,
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but I've never, ever
in a million years
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thought about killing you."
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I said, "For me to think
about killing you,
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you'd have had to done
some pretty bad stuff to me."
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Nobody wants to believe that something
like this can happen.
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[Gypsy's lawyer Missouri Public Defender]
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I think the initial reaction is--
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is that, you know, Gypsy's been lying
to everybody.
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But when you look at the backstory,
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when you look at how we got here,
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this all started long before Gypsy
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would've ever had any type
of say in what was happening.
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[Gypsy, 3 months old]
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Right from birth, three months old.
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Dee Dee was telling me
that she had sleep apnea
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and she needed a breathing machine
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or breathing monitor machine,
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which, I mean, I-- to this day,
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I don't know if that was real
or not, you know?
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It escalated from then.
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Problems with her eyes,
her hearing,
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her digestive system.
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After that, Gypsy couldn't walk anymore.
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She had a muscular disorder.
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[Gypsy, 10 years old]
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And Dee Dee told me
she would need a wheelchair.
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You know, I asked her.
I said, "Man, she's got
a lot of issues.
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What's going on?"
You know, and, um...
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They had done some tests and found out
she had a chromosome disorder
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that was causing all of her functions
from developing--
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her digestive system
and her muscular system.
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Dee Dee told me
she's not going to live
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to be, you know, 18 years old.
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She may be an old teenager,
that's about it.
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You know, I was like, "Really?"
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You know, it was shocking,
it was disturbing.
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And to see her at 23 years old now,
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perfectly healthy--
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It pisses me off, you know?
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[Gypsy's stepmother]
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Kristy: This picture here...
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I don't know if this was the surgery
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where she thought her stomach lining
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wrapped around her oesophagus.
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Rod: No, she would've had that earlier.
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She had that feeding tube
way before then.
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You know?
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She was 10 here.
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Rod: This was probably close
to the first year or two
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when she was in a wheelchair.
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Yep.
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Breaks my heart...
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knowing she got put through all of this
259
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when she didn't need it.
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Fourteen years.
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To be confined.
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The last 14 years in a wheelchair.
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I couldn't imagine.
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Stanfield: I've never encountered anything
265
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that is even close to what
Gypsy has gone through.
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Her mother appeared to have taken
great steps
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to keep Gypsy in a very juvenile role,
268
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making her act several years younger
than her actual age.
269
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It appears that Gypsy was not even aware
270
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of what her actual age was.
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Rod: I called her for her 18th birthday,
272
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and Dee Dee said,
"Don't tell her she's 18, you know?"
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I'm like, "What you mean
don't tell her she's 18?
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She knows she's 18.
It's her 18th birthday."
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"Yeah, but she don't know she's 18.
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She's-- you know."
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I thought it was weird, you know?
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I-- she--
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I mean, I always did know that she--
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she told me her mental capacity was,
281
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you know, like, five years behind.
282
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When she was, like, 15, she was like,
283
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"Oh, yeah, her learning is coming along,
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but she's like, mentally,
at a 9- or 10-year-old."
285
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Kristy: She looks like
she would be 10 and 11,
286
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and she was probably like, 21, 22.
287
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I wonder what she was thinking.
288
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Hello, everybody! This is Gypsy Rose
289
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reporting from Aurora, Missouri.
290
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I'm about to dive off our porch
[Dee Dee's home movies]
291
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into the pile of snow.
292
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You ready?
293
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That was so grand!
294
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Whoo!
295
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All right!
296
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Yooh!
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Yeah!
298
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[A special day]
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That's so cool. Let's do it again.
300
00:15:26,885 --> 00:15:28,384
Dean: It's hard to answer
a lot questions
301
00:15:28,428 --> 00:15:30,053
about who Gypsy is, right?
302
00:15:30,096 --> 00:15:32,472
Because she was somebody else
for such a long time.
303
00:15:32,515 --> 00:15:34,682
Dean: And now we know her
304
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as almost a completely different person.
305
00:15:36,811 --> 00:15:40,438
- Erin Lee Carr: I'm Erin, as you remember.
- I remember.
306
00:15:40,482 --> 00:15:43,858
Dean: I would be curious
if anybody Gypsy has talked to
307
00:15:43,902 --> 00:15:46,694
feels they're getting the full story.
308
00:15:46,738 --> 00:15:51,074
This is actually kind of the first time
I've been honest
309
00:15:51,117 --> 00:15:54,410
besides being honest, you know,
with my attorneys.
310
00:15:54,454 --> 00:15:58,081
Even then, I haven't been completely honest
with them, so...
311
00:16:00,585 --> 00:16:02,669
Carr: How would you describe your mom?
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Um...
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Unique.
314
00:16:10,261 --> 00:16:13,012
Um...
315
00:16:13,056 --> 00:16:14,389
I mean, I used to always think
316
00:16:14,432 --> 00:16:16,891
that maybe she was a little overprotective.
317
00:16:16,935 --> 00:16:20,228
So, if I had to say one word about her,
318
00:16:20,271 --> 00:16:23,231
it would be overprotective.
319
00:16:23,274 --> 00:16:24,399
Dee Dee: How old are you?
320
00:16:24,442 --> 00:16:25,692
[Gypsy, 1 year old]
321
00:16:25,735 --> 00:16:26,859
(Dee Dee's voice offscreen)
You're one.
322
00:16:26,903 --> 00:16:29,070
And where's your cranial?
323
00:16:29,114 --> 00:16:32,115
Very good. And where's your phalanges?
324
00:16:32,158 --> 00:16:35,576
Yes. Very, very good.
325
00:16:35,620 --> 00:16:40,540
I really didn't think
any abuse was going on.
326
00:16:40,583 --> 00:16:43,710
Um... it's like when you're abused,
327
00:16:43,753 --> 00:16:45,753
but you've lived that way
your whole life.
328
00:16:45,797 --> 00:16:48,464
You don't really know
that you're being abused.
329
00:16:48,508 --> 00:16:50,883
You don't know any different.
330
00:16:50,927 --> 00:16:54,762
Looking at the open ocean now.
331
00:16:54,806 --> 00:16:57,014
And it's beautiful!
332
00:16:59,144 --> 00:17:01,060
Gypsy: I knew that I was different
333
00:17:01,104 --> 00:17:04,063
or my life was different
from other kids'.
334
00:17:04,107 --> 00:17:07,608
But people thought of us, as, you know,
335
00:17:07,652 --> 00:17:11,738
the sweetest mother-daughter family ever.
336
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The best two people in the world.
337
00:17:16,453 --> 00:17:18,244
Carr: What illnesses did your mom
338
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say that you had?
339
00:17:20,790 --> 00:17:22,373
Um...
340
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Asthma, epilepsy, hearing impaired,
341
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vision impaired, fed with a feeding tube,
342
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paralyzed from the waist down.
343
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Um...
344
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slow, so retardation.
345
00:17:39,851 --> 00:17:41,350
And-- among other things,
346
00:17:41,394 --> 00:17:43,352
I just can't remember them.
347
00:17:44,272 --> 00:17:45,438
[Gypsy Rose's diagnosis]
348
00:17:45,482 --> 00:17:47,607
[List of conditions Dee Dee gave to doctors]
349
00:17:47,650 --> 00:17:53,529
[G.I. reflux, anemia, hyperventilation,
incontinence, lung disease, heart murmur]
350
00:17:53,573 --> 00:17:58,785
[Dee Dee's medical closet]
351
00:17:58,828 --> 00:18:01,204
Gypsy: I was on breathing medication.
352
00:18:02,957 --> 00:18:05,082
Medication for seizures.
353
00:18:05,126 --> 00:18:08,503
Medication to help go to the bathroom.
354
00:18:08,546 --> 00:18:12,215
Pain medication, anxiety medication.
355
00:18:13,551 --> 00:18:16,219
Just everything.
356
00:18:16,262 --> 00:18:20,681
I would have to put on
the breathing machine every night.
357
00:18:20,725 --> 00:18:22,850
I hated it, though, because it seemed to make
358
00:18:22,894 --> 00:18:24,685
my breathing worse, not better.
359
00:18:27,357 --> 00:18:31,150
And then another machine
was for the feeding tube.
360
00:18:31,194 --> 00:18:34,862
It was controlling what I'd eat.
361
00:18:34,906 --> 00:18:39,283
My medications would be put through there.
362
00:18:39,327 --> 00:18:41,452
I really wouldn't even have to be awake.
363
00:18:41,496 --> 00:18:44,288
So, she could put whatever in my body,
364
00:18:44,332 --> 00:18:46,040
and I wouldn't even know.
365
00:18:49,254 --> 00:18:50,336
[Dee Dee and Gypsy on one of their
medical trips]
366
00:18:50,380 --> 00:18:51,838
Dee Dee: Hey, you make me wanna yawn.
367
00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,843
So, where are you going today?
368
00:18:56,886 --> 00:19:00,346
I'm going to Children's Mercy Hospital
369
00:19:00,390 --> 00:19:03,266
to see my dentist.
370
00:19:03,309 --> 00:19:05,059
For my teeth.
371
00:19:06,145 --> 00:19:07,478
And we'll be back.
372
00:19:07,522 --> 00:19:09,981
And we'll be back soon.
373
00:19:10,024 --> 00:19:12,608
Not yet.
374
00:19:13,653 --> 00:19:15,736
[According to medical records,]
375
00:19:15,780 --> 00:19:17,822
[Dee Dee brought Gypsy to
local hospitals]
376
00:19:17,866 --> 00:19:20,074
[over 100 times between 2005 and 2014.]
377
00:19:22,954 --> 00:19:24,871
Gypsy: If we'd be going to the doctor,
378
00:19:24,914 --> 00:19:27,248
she would do all the talking.
379
00:19:27,292 --> 00:19:29,083
I'd always have a stuffed animal
380
00:19:29,127 --> 00:19:32,003
or a Barbie doll.
381
00:19:32,046 --> 00:19:35,172
She'd just tell me just play
with my Barbie doll.
382
00:19:36,843 --> 00:19:39,468
And if the doctor would come
to examine me--
383
00:19:39,512 --> 00:19:41,304
"Just stay in the wheelchair,
384
00:19:41,347 --> 00:19:43,931
be calm, play with your doll,
385
00:19:43,975 --> 00:19:45,892
and don't move your legs."
386
00:19:45,935 --> 00:19:50,313
[Gypsy underwent multiple surgeries
during her hospital visits.]
387
00:19:52,317 --> 00:19:53,691
[They included gastrointestinal operations,]
388
00:19:53,735 --> 00:19:55,318
[eye procedures, and the removal]
389
00:19:55,361 --> 00:19:56,986
[of her salivary glands.]
390
00:19:57,030 --> 00:19:59,947
I was just as much in the dark
as everybody else.
391
00:19:59,991 --> 00:20:02,491
The only thing I knew is that
I could walk.
392
00:20:02,535 --> 00:20:04,035
As for everything else,
393
00:20:04,078 --> 00:20:06,996
you had the leukaemia and the epilepsy.
394
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,372
I was taking medication
395
00:20:08,416 --> 00:20:10,499
that she said was cancer medicine.
396
00:20:10,543 --> 00:20:12,293
She would shave my head and say,
397
00:20:12,337 --> 00:20:13,961
"Well, it's going to fall out anyway,
398
00:20:14,005 --> 00:20:17,256
so let's just keep it nice and neat."
399
00:20:17,300 --> 00:20:21,385
I just went on blind faith
that a mother knows best.
400
00:20:21,429 --> 00:20:25,181
[The medications Dee Dee gave Gypsy
induced many of the symptoms
401
00:20:25,224 --> 00:20:28,684
[of diseases doctors thought
they were treating.]
402
00:20:30,396 --> 00:20:35,232
You're supposed to love
and protect your children.
403
00:20:35,276 --> 00:20:37,443
How could you do this to your child?
404
00:20:37,487 --> 00:20:40,655
Dr. Marc Feldman: Gypsy Rose Blanchard
405
00:20:40,698 --> 00:20:42,782
[Skype interview] was as consistently
406
00:20:42,825 --> 00:20:46,410
and viciously subjected to,
[Clinical Psychologist]
407
00:20:46,454 --> 00:20:48,579
in my opinion, Munchausen by proxy
[Munchausen expert]
408
00:20:48,623 --> 00:20:50,623
as anyone I've come across.
409
00:20:50,667 --> 00:20:53,542
Munchausen by proxy involves a caregiver
[Munchausen by Proxy Syndrome]
410
00:20:53,586 --> 00:20:59,215
who either feigns or actually induces
illness in her children.
411
00:20:59,258 --> 00:21:03,010
And her goal is some kind
of emotional gratification--
412
00:21:03,054 --> 00:21:07,348
looking for sympathy, attention, care,
413
00:21:07,392 --> 00:21:11,268
concern that she feels unable to get
in any other way.
414
00:21:11,312 --> 00:21:15,856
It is a form of child abuse,
first and foremost.
415
00:21:15,900 --> 00:21:18,025
Gypsy: The earliest surgery
that I can remember
416
00:21:18,069 --> 00:21:20,695
probably would be
417
00:21:20,738 --> 00:21:23,864
having my feeding tube put in.
418
00:21:25,535 --> 00:21:27,702
You have to have it constantly changed,
419
00:21:27,745 --> 00:21:29,537
like every six months.
420
00:21:29,580 --> 00:21:31,080
And that would be pretty painful,
421
00:21:31,124 --> 00:21:33,207
because they don't put you
under anaesthesia,
422
00:21:33,251 --> 00:21:35,543
they just take you
in the emergency room,
423
00:21:35,586 --> 00:21:38,212
rip the old one out,
and put a new one in.
424
00:21:38,256 --> 00:21:41,882
I don't know why
these procedures were done
425
00:21:41,926 --> 00:21:46,262
or how her mother was able
to convince the doctors.
426
00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:47,805
"Mind-boggling" is the only way
427
00:21:47,849 --> 00:21:52,268
I can put her ability
to manipulate people.
428
00:22:02,864 --> 00:22:05,489
Basically, each one
of these paperclips
429
00:22:05,533 --> 00:22:09,785
is some medical record
430
00:22:09,829 --> 00:22:13,164
where Dee Dee essentially lied
431
00:22:13,207 --> 00:22:15,124
to the doctor about something.
432
00:22:15,168 --> 00:22:17,043
Mentally, Gypsy is behind.
433
00:22:17,086 --> 00:22:18,502
She's at the level of a seven-year-old
434
00:22:18,546 --> 00:22:20,212
on mother's information.
435
00:22:20,256 --> 00:22:22,214
And this is something that you see
436
00:22:22,258 --> 00:22:24,717
almost across all of the records,
437
00:22:24,761 --> 00:22:29,263
is "Upon mother's information,"
"Upon history by mother."
438
00:22:29,307 --> 00:22:32,224
So she's talking to the doctor here
and she's talking about
439
00:22:32,268 --> 00:22:35,978
how she has mental and
developmental delays, needs assistance.
440
00:22:36,022 --> 00:22:39,231
Apparently, "while holding
her hands over Gypsy's ears,
441
00:22:39,275 --> 00:22:42,359
so as not offend,
history of mental retardation--
442
00:22:42,403 --> 00:22:44,570
seven-year-old level, per mom."
443
00:22:44,614 --> 00:22:49,450
And so, this was the one time where
a doctor actually put in the record
444
00:22:49,494 --> 00:22:52,661
that Dee Dee's got her hands
over Gypsy's ears,
445
00:22:52,705 --> 00:22:56,290
so Gypsy can't even hear what
Mom is telling the doctor.
446
00:22:56,334 --> 00:22:58,292
Then we get into the family history.
447
00:22:58,336 --> 00:23:00,127
The family history changed
448
00:23:00,171 --> 00:23:03,005
depending on what doctor she was at.
449
00:23:03,049 --> 00:23:06,050
You'll notice here, we don't get
a whole lot of...
450
00:23:06,094 --> 00:23:08,427
- She's at the cardiologist.
- Right, she's at the cardiologist,
451
00:23:08,471 --> 00:23:10,596
and so they all died of a heart attack.
452
00:23:12,058 --> 00:23:14,975
Now, this was the first one
that jumped out at me.
453
00:23:16,854 --> 00:23:18,854
She ends up going to the neurologist,
454
00:23:18,898 --> 00:23:22,191
Dr. Flasterstein, and so...
455
00:23:22,235 --> 00:23:25,945
the very first thing right off the bat--
"Mother is not a good historian,"
456
00:23:25,988 --> 00:23:30,908
which is interesting, because he
puts that in bold and underlines it.
457
00:23:30,952 --> 00:23:33,369
Dr. Flasterstein: One of the things
that was a big discrepancy
458
00:23:33,412 --> 00:23:36,372
was that for a person
that has not walked
459
00:23:36,415 --> 00:23:38,874
for nine years, for years,
460
00:23:38,918 --> 00:23:41,168
she should have, technically,
461
00:23:41,212 --> 00:23:44,463
almost no muscles in her
lower extremities.
462
00:23:44,507 --> 00:23:49,009
But she did have muscles
that looked quite normal.
463
00:23:49,053 --> 00:23:51,595
And she was able to support
her body weight.
464
00:23:51,639 --> 00:23:54,098
I remember her standing.
465
00:23:54,142 --> 00:23:57,309
So, I had a big doubt about the
whole thing, from the beginning.
466
00:23:57,353 --> 00:24:00,396
Stanfield: He says, "Since last seen,
467
00:24:00,439 --> 00:24:03,524
I managed to talk to one of her
previous providers.
468
00:24:03,568 --> 00:24:07,319
She specifically remembers
Gypsy Rose and mentioned that
her previous neurologist
469
00:24:07,363 --> 00:24:12,241
clearly reported the fact
that Gypsy does not have
muscular dystrophy.
470
00:24:12,285 --> 00:24:15,327
Analyzing all the facts,
and after talking to her
previous paediatrician,
471
00:24:15,371 --> 00:24:18,622
- there's a strong possibility
of Munchausen by proxy..."
- What?
472
00:24:18,666 --> 00:24:22,626
...with maybe some underlying, unknown
ideology to explain her symptoms."
473
00:24:28,092 --> 00:24:32,553
Once in a while, we report patients
to Social Services.
474
00:24:32,597 --> 00:24:36,265
We do that when we feel
that there's a neglect.
475
00:24:36,309 --> 00:24:39,393
But a neglect is different
from what this mom was doing.
476
00:24:39,437 --> 00:24:41,145
She wasn't really neglecting her,
477
00:24:41,189 --> 00:24:44,231
she was over-treating her.
478
00:24:44,275 --> 00:24:46,400
We have a system,
479
00:24:46,444 --> 00:24:48,402
which is a big integrated system,
480
00:24:48,446 --> 00:24:52,198
that decided to adopt her
and bring her, support her.
481
00:24:52,241 --> 00:24:55,117
So many people looking at her,
482
00:24:55,161 --> 00:24:58,204
knowing the history,
knowing what she was going through,
483
00:24:58,247 --> 00:25:00,539
knowing what she went through,
484
00:25:00,583 --> 00:25:03,042
I would have been rejected on the spot.
485
00:25:03,085 --> 00:25:05,544
So all that I could do
was put that in my notes.
486
00:25:05,588 --> 00:25:08,714
Nobody in the system ever said
anything about it,
487
00:25:08,758 --> 00:25:11,383
and I didn't see it right
to keep going
488
00:25:11,427 --> 00:25:16,013
in convincing other people
that something is not right here.
489
00:25:16,057 --> 00:25:18,307
- Now...
- Un-freakin'-believable.
490
00:25:18,351 --> 00:25:21,185
...here's the interesting thing.
491
00:25:21,229 --> 00:25:23,812
This is the last record
492
00:25:23,856 --> 00:25:27,399
from Mercy, here in Springfield,
until 2015.
493
00:25:27,443 --> 00:25:28,943
So, this is 2007.
494
00:25:28,986 --> 00:25:30,819
Rod: Eight years.
495
00:25:30,863 --> 00:25:35,241
What I couldn't figure out
was how Dee Dee figured out
496
00:25:35,284 --> 00:25:37,952
that Dr. Flasterstein was on to her.
497
00:25:37,995 --> 00:25:40,496
But if you look at a lot of
these social work notes,
498
00:25:40,539 --> 00:25:44,166
Dee Dee's requesting medical records.
499
00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:46,710
She would have gotten a
copy of this letter.
500
00:25:46,754 --> 00:25:50,130
But I still don't understand
501
00:25:50,174 --> 00:25:54,677
why you put your child through this.
502
00:25:56,097 --> 00:25:58,889
I don't know.
I mean, the thing is...
503
00:25:58,933 --> 00:26:01,600
- Good question.
- ...it just keeps going.
504
00:26:01,644 --> 00:26:03,477
And it would have kept going
505
00:26:03,521 --> 00:26:10,234
‘Cause her mama was an insane,
compulsive liar.
506
00:26:19,662 --> 00:26:23,455
Rod: Dee Dee and I met
at the bowling alley one night.
507
00:26:23,499 --> 00:26:26,125
Met up again a couple of weeks later.
508
00:26:26,168 --> 00:26:29,795
And then we started dating then.
509
00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:30,921
She got pregnant.
510
00:26:30,965 --> 00:26:33,799
She got pregnant and...
511
00:26:33,843 --> 00:26:36,677
being from the South, I guess, it was--
512
00:26:36,721 --> 00:26:39,388
I was raised where if you
got a girl pregnant,
513
00:26:39,432 --> 00:26:41,015
then you got married.
514
00:26:41,058 --> 00:26:43,392
There was no other question
about what you did.
515
00:26:45,396 --> 00:26:47,021
I was 17.
516
00:26:49,025 --> 00:26:50,816
I woke up on my 18th birthday
517
00:26:50,860 --> 00:26:53,402
and I'm like, "What am I doing here?"
518
00:26:55,656 --> 00:26:57,239
She was kind of into some dark--
519
00:26:57,283 --> 00:26:58,949
darkness-- dark things.
520
00:26:58,993 --> 00:27:00,868
Uh...
521
00:27:00,911 --> 00:27:02,828
she started talking a little bit
about witchcrafts
522
00:27:02,872 --> 00:27:07,583
and just different weird,
dark stuff like that.
523
00:27:07,626 --> 00:27:09,543
It was kind of weird.
524
00:27:09,587 --> 00:27:11,211
She had a pet tarantula.
525
00:27:19,263 --> 00:27:20,637
Dee Dee was my aunt.
526
00:27:20,681 --> 00:27:25,851
Um, real... weird girl.
527
00:27:25,895 --> 00:27:29,188
I would think she's bipolar, no doubt.
528
00:27:29,231 --> 00:27:31,774
Multiple personalities, perhaps.
529
00:27:33,819 --> 00:27:36,070
Definitely...
530
00:27:36,113 --> 00:27:39,114
an evil person, I would say, you know?
531
00:27:44,914 --> 00:27:48,916
To shave your kid's head
and say that she's got leukaemia?
532
00:27:48,959 --> 00:27:50,959
You're a sick individual.
533
00:27:54,507 --> 00:27:56,882
MC: At this time, we'd like
to present to you
534
00:27:56,926 --> 00:27:59,843
South Lafourche ROTC Military Queen,
535
00:27:59,887 --> 00:28:01,887
Ms. Clauddinea Pitre.
536
00:28:01,931 --> 00:28:05,682
Her escort-- Sergeant Earl Longden.
537
00:28:08,562 --> 00:28:10,312
Clauddine "Dee Dee" Pitre...
538
00:28:24,662 --> 00:28:27,287
Carr: What was Dee Dee like
as a child?
539
00:28:27,331 --> 00:28:28,747
What, baby?
540
00:28:28,791 --> 00:28:30,958
What was Dee Dee like as a child?
541
00:28:31,001 --> 00:28:34,461
- What was Dee Dee like as a child?
- Dee Dee?
542
00:28:34,505 --> 00:28:36,380
She was okay.
543
00:28:36,424 --> 00:28:38,674
We were pretty close, me and her.
544
00:28:38,717 --> 00:28:42,344
Yeah, I would give her everything
that she wanted anyway.
545
00:28:42,388 --> 00:28:44,513
Whatever she wanted.
546
00:28:44,557 --> 00:28:47,141
Except a dog in the house.
I didn't want that.
547
00:28:47,184 --> 00:28:49,143
Now we wind up-- we got
two dogs in the house.
548
00:28:52,815 --> 00:28:56,024
Ahem, but this-- she was something else.
549
00:28:59,363 --> 00:29:02,865
Laura Pitre: She was a
very filthy person.
550
00:29:02,908 --> 00:29:04,867
If it didn't go her way,
551
00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:06,827
she'd see to it that you would pay.
552
00:29:06,871 --> 00:29:09,496
And did we pay.
553
00:29:09,540 --> 00:29:11,623
Paid a lot.
554
00:29:11,667 --> 00:29:13,625
She opened credit cards in my
dad's name,
555
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:17,045
my grandpa's name, ran up crazy bills.
556
00:29:17,089 --> 00:29:20,048
Supposedly, America's Most Wanted
was looking for this girl.
557
00:29:21,427 --> 00:29:23,677
Laura:
558
00:29:29,268 --> 00:29:30,976
Slidell-- she was wanted.
559
00:29:31,020 --> 00:29:32,728
Bad checks in New Orleans.
560
00:29:34,148 --> 00:29:35,647
Claude: No matter where she went,
561
00:29:35,691 --> 00:29:38,066
she was doing all kind of stuff.
562
00:29:38,110 --> 00:29:40,652
She was poisoning my stepmother.
563
00:29:40,696 --> 00:29:43,989
Supposedly, she was giving her some...
564
00:29:44,033 --> 00:29:47,326
Roundup in her food and stuff.
565
00:29:47,369 --> 00:29:50,162
She was putting some poison in my food.
566
00:29:50,206 --> 00:29:52,456
The same thing she had put in the plant.
567
00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:55,751
And she wind up-- she stayed nine months
in bed after that.
568
00:29:55,794 --> 00:29:57,169
She couldn't get up.
569
00:29:57,213 --> 00:29:59,213
I didn't think she was going to make it.
570
00:29:59,256 --> 00:30:01,423
There was nothing she couldn't
get away with.
571
00:30:06,263 --> 00:30:08,639
Laura: Her mama was a little bit
like her.
572
00:30:08,682 --> 00:30:11,391
Claude: Yeah, her mama, too.
573
00:30:11,435 --> 00:30:16,772
Her mama was a shoplifter
and all kind of stuff.
574
00:30:16,815 --> 00:30:19,191
I don't know how many times
she had to go to court
575
00:30:19,235 --> 00:30:20,817
for shoplifting and other things.
576
00:30:25,241 --> 00:30:27,908
Laura: She had stolen how much
money from your daddy?
577
00:30:27,952 --> 00:30:30,911
Before he got married, she had stolen
578
00:30:30,955 --> 00:30:33,747
I think it's $3,000 or $4,000
from my daddy.
579
00:30:36,168 --> 00:30:38,585
Bobby: I think ever since
my grandmother died,
580
00:30:38,629 --> 00:30:41,004
Dee Dee kind of went off the deep end.
581
00:30:42,883 --> 00:30:44,550
Kristy: The day that her mom died,
582
00:30:44,593 --> 00:30:46,510
Dee Dee was in the house somewhere,
583
00:30:46,554 --> 00:30:49,846
and Dee Dee was starving her.
584
00:30:49,890 --> 00:30:53,141
Like, she wasn't-- Dee Dee wasn't
giving her anything to eat.
585
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,019
I asked her sister--
586
00:30:56,063 --> 00:30:57,604
you know, I was like,
"I hate to ask this,
587
00:30:57,648 --> 00:31:00,315
but you think Dee Dee had anything to do
588
00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:02,734
with her mom's death?"
589
00:31:02,778 --> 00:31:05,946
And she, you know, said,
590
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:07,656
"Now I wonder."
591
00:31:09,743 --> 00:31:11,868
That's how evil she was.
592
00:31:14,665 --> 00:31:17,249
To leave your mama dirty
and asking for food
593
00:31:17,293 --> 00:31:19,001
and not want to feed her...
594
00:31:19,044 --> 00:31:21,628
- Yeah.
- ...that's evil.
595
00:31:24,341 --> 00:31:27,134
Carr: Were you sad at all
when you heard she was dead?
596
00:31:29,138 --> 00:31:31,013
Me?
597
00:31:31,056 --> 00:31:34,057
I didn't believe it.
598
00:31:34,101 --> 00:31:36,727
- It didn't--
- It just didn't sink.
599
00:31:36,770 --> 00:31:39,771
It took a few days before... you know?
600
00:31:39,815 --> 00:31:42,941
I didn't believe that she was dead.
601
00:31:42,985 --> 00:31:46,778
I thought it was another
one of her tricks.
602
00:31:46,822 --> 00:31:49,197
I said, "Who did Dee Dee piss off now?
603
00:31:49,241 --> 00:31:52,242
You know, what kind of shit
did Dee Dee get into?"
604
00:31:52,286 --> 00:31:54,578
I wasn't thinking,
"Oh, God, my aunt's dead."
605
00:31:54,622 --> 00:31:56,955
Because I figured that one day
she'd piss off somebody
606
00:31:56,999 --> 00:31:59,041
to that point, you know?
607
00:31:59,084 --> 00:32:02,502
And I actually did think that it would
probably be Gypsy, you know?
608
00:32:02,546 --> 00:32:06,506
And whenever-- we later got the word
609
00:32:06,550 --> 00:32:09,092
that Gypsy was fine and she was
by her boyfriend's house,
610
00:32:09,136 --> 00:32:11,094
we were like, "She killed her mama.
She finally did it.
611
00:32:11,138 --> 00:32:12,429
She couldn't take it anymore."
612
00:32:12,473 --> 00:32:13,847
She finally just said,
"Fuck it all.
613
00:32:13,891 --> 00:32:15,641
I'm killing this bitch."
614
00:32:15,684 --> 00:32:19,102
Carr: Do you think she got
what she deserved?
615
00:32:19,146 --> 00:32:21,772
- According to Gypsy, yes.
- Yes.
616
00:32:21,815 --> 00:32:24,858
Yeah, she got what she deserved.
617
00:32:24,902 --> 00:32:28,236
I know all the brothers
and sisters don't care
618
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,447
about Dee Dee no more.
619
00:32:30,491 --> 00:32:33,367
Gypsy-- she got cremated.
620
00:32:33,410 --> 00:32:35,452
She said, "What you want me
to do with the ashes?"
621
00:32:35,496 --> 00:32:37,704
Everybody said, "I don't want her.
I don't want her."
622
00:32:37,748 --> 00:32:40,916
- Darla said, "Flush 'em."
- I told her, "Flush that
in the toilet."
623
00:32:40,959 --> 00:32:43,377
I didn't want it.
624
00:32:43,420 --> 00:32:45,921
Her sister said,
"Flush that in the toilet."
625
00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:48,006
She said, "We're going to bring that
in Mama's room,
626
00:32:48,050 --> 00:32:49,591
make her a mass and everything."
627
00:32:49,635 --> 00:32:52,219
"You going to pay for it?
I'm not paying for it.
628
00:32:52,262 --> 00:32:55,430
We can't afford it.
Flush it in the toilet."
629
00:32:57,101 --> 00:33:01,103
[Greene County Courthouse
November 9,2015]
630
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:19,788
Reporter: Prosecutors have decided
not to seek the death penalty
631
00:33:19,832 --> 00:33:21,998
against a Springfield woman
and her boyfriend,
632
00:33:22,042 --> 00:33:25,460
both of whom are accused of murdering
the woman's mother.
633
00:33:25,504 --> 00:33:27,879
Reporter #2: The announcement comes
after several conversations
634
00:33:27,923 --> 00:33:29,798
between the defence and prosecution,
635
00:33:29,842 --> 00:33:32,467
both agreeing this was
the best decision.
636
00:33:33,929 --> 00:33:35,721
Patterson: Being a prosecutor,
637
00:33:35,764 --> 00:33:37,806
the standard is to do what's right
638
00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:39,141
and what's just.
639
00:33:40,436 --> 00:33:42,436
When you look at the mitigators
640
00:33:42,479 --> 00:33:45,230
as well as the background of
these individuals as we know it,
641
00:33:45,274 --> 00:33:47,107
as well as the facts of the case,
642
00:33:47,151 --> 00:33:50,068
this case was not an appropriate
first-degree murder case
643
00:33:50,112 --> 00:33:51,820
in which to seek the death penalty.
644
00:33:51,864 --> 00:33:55,657
This is a case that we
haven't dealt with,
645
00:33:55,701 --> 00:33:58,827
and it's because it's so unusual.
646
00:33:58,871 --> 00:34:00,954
I mean, it really is an unusual case.
647
00:34:02,541 --> 00:34:05,041
What we thought initially may be a victim
648
00:34:05,085 --> 00:34:06,752
turns out to be a suspect,
649
00:34:06,795 --> 00:34:10,046
and in the middle of a story
that is twisted.
650
00:34:10,090 --> 00:34:12,924
We think we know who Gypsy is,
651
00:34:12,968 --> 00:34:15,886
but once this trial starts,
652
00:34:15,929 --> 00:34:17,846
we'll be able to see her life unfold
653
00:34:17,890 --> 00:34:22,100
and find out exactly what she
was all about.
654
00:34:22,144 --> 00:34:24,186
[Home video from one of Dee Dee
and Gypsy's trips to Disney World]
655
00:34:26,523 --> 00:34:27,773
Hi, everybody.
656
00:34:27,816 --> 00:34:30,484
Right now, I'm in Cinderella's castle
657
00:34:30,527 --> 00:34:33,987
eating some real mashed potatoes.
658
00:34:34,031 --> 00:34:35,864
Mm!
659
00:34:35,908 --> 00:34:37,324
That is good.
660
00:34:42,915 --> 00:34:44,915
Dean: Gypsy loved Disney
661
00:34:44,958 --> 00:34:47,751
because they were stories that resolved
662
00:34:47,795 --> 00:34:49,628
in happy ways.
663
00:34:49,671 --> 00:34:53,215
And ultimately, her story was
not resolving in a happy way.
664
00:34:55,093 --> 00:34:58,512
Gypsy: I liked the Disney movie,
"Tangled."
665
00:34:59,765 --> 00:35:01,223
It's about Rapunzel.
666
00:35:02,726 --> 00:35:05,101
She's a princess in this kingdom
667
00:35:05,145 --> 00:35:09,564
and she's kidnapped by Mother Gothel
668
00:35:09,608 --> 00:35:10,899
from her real family.
669
00:35:12,444 --> 00:35:14,986
And Mother Gothel keeps her
670
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:17,739
in this tower for all of her life
671
00:35:17,783 --> 00:35:20,158
and tells her, "Don't leave this tower."
672
00:35:20,202 --> 00:35:24,079
And so, that is all she knows.
673
00:35:24,122 --> 00:35:26,206
Woodmansee: I think that Gypsy
just wanted her life
674
00:35:26,250 --> 00:35:29,167
to be like any fairy tale princess
675
00:35:29,211 --> 00:35:32,504
and have the perfect ending.
676
00:35:32,548 --> 00:35:35,423
You know, all the bad villains
get what they deserve.
677
00:35:37,219 --> 00:35:40,178
Gypsy: At the end, Mother Gothel died.
678
00:35:40,222 --> 00:35:42,430
She got thrown out a window,
679
00:35:42,474 --> 00:35:47,060
um, because Rapunzel tried to stand up
for herself
680
00:35:47,104 --> 00:35:49,187
and leave her tower.
681
00:35:49,231 --> 00:35:51,690
But in Disney movies,
everything's a fantasy.
682
00:35:51,733 --> 00:35:53,191
It's a fairy tale,
683
00:35:53,235 --> 00:35:55,861
and life is not a fairy tale.
684
00:35:55,904 --> 00:35:58,446
I learned all that the hard way.
685
00:36:01,368 --> 00:36:03,285
Stanfield: I don't think calling
Gypsy's life sheltered
686
00:36:03,328 --> 00:36:05,537
would do it justice.
687
00:36:05,581 --> 00:36:07,873
I've kind of come to describe it
688
00:36:07,916 --> 00:36:09,958
as a fairy tale nightmare.
689
00:36:12,004 --> 00:36:15,505
Her mother controlled almost
every aspect of her life.
690
00:36:16,967 --> 00:36:19,175
Dr. Feldman: The control was total
691
00:36:19,219 --> 00:36:22,762
in the same sense that the control of
a kidnapped victim
692
00:36:22,806 --> 00:36:26,266
sometimes is total.
693
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:28,852
Her daughter was, in essence, a hostage,
694
00:36:28,896 --> 00:36:31,688
and I think we can understand the crime
695
00:36:31,732 --> 00:36:33,607
that occurred subsequently
696
00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:38,028
in terms of a hostage trying to
gain escape.
697
00:36:41,033 --> 00:36:42,866
Woodmansee: Any time Gypsy and I
were together,
698
00:36:42,910 --> 00:36:45,577
her mom was always present.
699
00:36:45,621 --> 00:36:48,121
She was immediately like a
filter for us, you know.
700
00:36:48,165 --> 00:36:51,207
Like, Gypsy wouldn't talk
about anything personal
701
00:36:51,251 --> 00:36:52,584
while we were together.
702
00:36:52,628 --> 00:36:55,211
That's like, really, the big red flag,
703
00:36:55,255 --> 00:36:57,297
thinking back on it all now.
704
00:36:58,842 --> 00:37:02,260
Dee Dee would always hold
Gypsy's hand, you know?
705
00:37:02,304 --> 00:37:04,971
It was like, I don't know--
it was almost like, you know, just,
706
00:37:05,015 --> 00:37:07,140
"If I squeeze it, you'll know
what to say."
707
00:37:07,184 --> 00:37:09,351
I mean, that was just so strange to me.
708
00:37:09,394 --> 00:37:12,103
Just to feel it now, I think
that was really strange.
709
00:37:12,147 --> 00:37:14,314
Even in videos I've seen since then,
710
00:37:14,358 --> 00:37:15,815
I'm like, "Yep, it's just the
same thing."
711
00:37:15,859 --> 00:37:18,026
It's like she's holding her hand.
712
00:37:21,365 --> 00:37:25,283
I mean, now I'm--
it was maybe a control thing.
713
00:37:25,327 --> 00:37:29,162
Dr. Feldman: The hand-holding
and the tight hugs
714
00:37:29,206 --> 00:37:31,957
is a way of asserting mastery
over another person
715
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,626
and saying, "You're not free.
716
00:37:34,670 --> 00:37:37,253
You are under my control
at all times,
717
00:37:37,297 --> 00:37:39,965
even in relatively benign situations
718
00:37:40,008 --> 00:37:41,883
like our being photographed
719
00:37:41,927 --> 00:37:44,177
getting the Habitat for Humanity home."
720
00:37:44,221 --> 00:37:47,055
You know, those are innocuously
happy occasions,
721
00:37:47,099 --> 00:37:49,391
but they were also occasions
where Dee Dee
722
00:37:49,434 --> 00:37:52,727
reasserted her mastery over Gypsy.
723
00:37:52,771 --> 00:37:54,479
My mom had cake...
724
00:37:54,523 --> 00:37:57,190
Gypsy: If we were in a group of friends,
725
00:37:57,234 --> 00:37:59,359
you know, if I said something
that I wasn't supposed to,
726
00:37:59,403 --> 00:38:02,612
she'd squeeze my hand, and
I'd know, "Zip it."
727
00:38:06,535 --> 00:38:09,035
I was just afraid, just too afraid.
728
00:38:11,665 --> 00:38:13,707
Dr. Feldman: I have a strong feeling
729
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:16,876
that the extent of the control over her,
730
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,379
heavily psychological as it was,
731
00:38:19,423 --> 00:38:22,132
would've involved physical punishment
as well.
732
00:38:22,175 --> 00:38:24,092
She'd hit me with a coat hanger...
733
00:38:25,804 --> 00:38:27,762
or her-- or her palm.
734
00:38:29,474 --> 00:38:31,433
And I'd have to take so many slaps
735
00:38:31,476 --> 00:38:33,810
for-- depending on what,
736
00:38:33,854 --> 00:38:36,521
how severe it was, I did.
737
00:38:36,565 --> 00:38:39,315
- Carr: Did you ever try to hit back?
- Never.
738
00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:41,317
Never.
739
00:38:41,361 --> 00:38:43,153
It's like if you have a baby
740
00:38:43,196 --> 00:38:44,779
and you, like, get in its face
741
00:38:44,823 --> 00:38:47,449
and the baby starts to struggle
and get away from you.
742
00:38:47,492 --> 00:38:50,577
Now picture that happening
for your whole life, right?
743
00:38:50,620 --> 00:38:54,748
Your mother is just in your face
and will not get away.
744
00:38:54,791 --> 00:38:58,293
That's basically what Gypsy's whole
life was like.
745
00:38:58,336 --> 00:39:00,045
It's snowing.
746
00:39:00,088 --> 00:39:02,172
I'm not joking.
[Dee Dee at home in Missouri]
747
00:39:02,215 --> 00:39:04,049
They said it's snowing,
748
00:39:04,092 --> 00:39:07,802
so I'm staying under my heating blankie.
749
00:39:07,846 --> 00:39:12,265
And I'm not getting out, mm-mm.
750
00:39:13,477 --> 00:39:15,643
She wants to get out.
751
00:39:15,687 --> 00:39:18,063
Ain't gonna happen.
752
00:39:18,106 --> 00:39:20,482
Let her doll take care of her.
753
00:39:20,525 --> 00:39:22,317
Gypsy: Oh!
754
00:39:31,078 --> 00:39:33,411
Her mother was so suffocating,
755
00:39:33,455 --> 00:39:37,290
so powerful, so manipulative
756
00:39:37,334 --> 00:39:41,169
that Gypsy may have felt any
efforts to escape
757
00:39:41,213 --> 00:39:42,545
were bound to fail.
758
00:39:43,965 --> 00:39:46,132
The first time I ran away from home,
759
00:39:46,176 --> 00:39:48,510
I had met a friend.
760
00:39:48,553 --> 00:39:52,680
We both went to this sci-fi
fantasy convention called Visioncon.
761
00:39:53,975 --> 00:39:56,726
I told him vaguely
762
00:39:56,770 --> 00:39:59,312
about what was going on at home.
763
00:39:59,356 --> 00:40:03,274
And he told me, you know,
"You just pack your stuff
764
00:40:03,318 --> 00:40:07,237
and you can come live with me
in Arkansas."
765
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,031
And I said, "Okay."
766
00:40:12,744 --> 00:40:16,121
I stepped out, got a ride from
a stranger,
767
00:40:16,164 --> 00:40:18,331
and went over to his place.
768
00:40:18,375 --> 00:40:22,001
And then within, like, four hours,
my mom found me at his place
769
00:40:22,045 --> 00:40:24,504
because we had mutual friends in common.
770
00:40:24,548 --> 00:40:27,674
So she was threatening
to call the cops on him.
771
00:40:27,717 --> 00:40:29,592
And she took me back home
772
00:40:29,636 --> 00:40:32,011
and smashed my computer with a hammer,
773
00:40:32,055 --> 00:40:33,805
smashed my cell phone
with a hammer and said,
774
00:40:33,849 --> 00:40:36,057
"If you ever try to do that again,
775
00:40:36,101 --> 00:40:38,226
I'm going to smash your fingers
with a hammer."
776
00:40:39,271 --> 00:40:40,645
It was a rough year.
777
00:40:40,689 --> 00:40:42,897
I call that "the bad times."
778
00:40:45,152 --> 00:40:48,153
She had taken this dog leash
779
00:40:48,196 --> 00:40:50,864
and clipped it to a pair of handcuffs,
780
00:40:50,907 --> 00:40:53,366
and clipped the handcuffs to the bed
781
00:40:53,410 --> 00:40:57,662
and kept-- it was like that for
about two weeks.
782
00:40:57,706 --> 00:41:00,999
My mom had actually convinced a lawyer
783
00:41:01,042 --> 00:41:04,544
to draw up some papers
saying that I was incompetent.
784
00:41:04,588 --> 00:41:07,630
So I thought if I had tried
to go to the police,
785
00:41:07,674 --> 00:41:11,384
they'd look at these papers
and say, "She's retarded.
786
00:41:11,428 --> 00:41:14,095
She doesn't know what
she's talking about."
787
00:41:14,139 --> 00:41:15,889
Gypsy has essentially fallen
788
00:41:15,932 --> 00:41:18,558
through every crack there is
in the system.
789
00:41:18,602 --> 00:41:20,351
The Greene County Sheriff's deputies
790
00:41:20,395 --> 00:41:23,396
came out to the house on
an anonymous report
791
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,107
that Gypsy was potentially being abused.
792
00:41:26,151 --> 00:41:29,402
And they came to the house,
they spoke with Dee Dee,
793
00:41:29,446 --> 00:41:33,323
and Dee Dee did exactly
what she does all the time--
794
00:41:33,366 --> 00:41:35,742
she manipulated the police officers,
795
00:41:35,785 --> 00:41:38,828
showed them a few things, and they left.
796
00:41:38,872 --> 00:41:40,288
And at that point,
797
00:41:40,332 --> 00:41:44,000
Gypsy has absolutely nowhere
else to turn.
798
00:41:44,044 --> 00:41:45,376
Literally everyone failed her.
799
00:41:45,420 --> 00:41:47,045
Literally.
800
00:41:47,088 --> 00:41:49,422
The doctors who were positioned
801
00:41:49,466 --> 00:41:53,301
as there to help her didn't help her.
802
00:41:53,345 --> 00:41:55,094
Her father,
803
00:41:55,138 --> 00:41:58,514
who I think was in a
very difficult position,
804
00:41:58,558 --> 00:41:59,933
couldn't help her.
805
00:42:01,561 --> 00:42:04,437
How was she supposed to think
anybody could?
806
00:42:04,481 --> 00:42:06,314
I was just kind of at that point
where you're like,
807
00:42:06,358 --> 00:42:10,860
"I'm angry at the world
and this is unfair."
808
00:42:10,904 --> 00:42:15,448
Why couldn't anybody figure this out
before it got this bad?
809
00:42:21,665 --> 00:42:25,333
- Woman: Gypsy.
- Dee Dee: Over here, baby.
810
00:42:25,377 --> 00:42:29,462
We all kind of did see how Gypsy was
being treated by Dee Dee,
811
00:42:29,506 --> 00:42:33,341
not that it was like horrible,
beating the shit out of her
812
00:42:33,385 --> 00:42:35,843
in the back room with a freaking cable,
you know?
813
00:42:35,887 --> 00:42:39,055
She would just-- she put her
in a wheelchair and told her,
814
00:42:39,099 --> 00:42:42,016
"Your leg's messed up.
You can't walk."
815
00:42:46,439 --> 00:42:49,315
Her sister told me once,
"Rod, you know,
816
00:42:49,359 --> 00:42:51,359
Gypsy can walk."
817
00:42:51,403 --> 00:42:53,278
And I asked Dee Dee about it.
818
00:42:53,321 --> 00:42:56,781
She's like, "Yeah, well,
with her muscular dystrophy
819
00:42:56,825 --> 00:43:00,952
or with her disease,
her muscles hurt sometimes.
820
00:43:00,996 --> 00:43:03,830
So sometimes she can walk
when she's feeling okay,
821
00:43:03,873 --> 00:43:05,581
but it's progressive.
822
00:43:05,625 --> 00:43:07,417
It's going to get worse."
823
00:43:07,460 --> 00:43:11,337
And it wasn't long after that
that they were--
824
00:43:11,381 --> 00:43:13,840
they started moving further and
further away.
825
00:43:13,883 --> 00:43:16,759
And there was nobody there
to question--
826
00:43:16,803 --> 00:43:19,470
question that anymore, you know?
827
00:43:19,514 --> 00:43:23,725
After all of the doors had been closed--
828
00:43:23,768 --> 00:43:26,686
family, friends, the police--
829
00:43:26,730 --> 00:43:30,523
I think that Gypsy felt she had
no other--
830
00:43:30,567 --> 00:43:31,774
no other avenue.
831
00:43:36,489 --> 00:43:41,242
Gypsy: I met Nick through
a Christian dating website.
832
00:43:41,286 --> 00:43:43,453
He was one of the profiles
that I had saw.
833
00:43:43,496 --> 00:43:46,581
Thought he was cute,
so I checked him out, sent him a wink.
834
00:43:46,624 --> 00:43:48,583
He sent me one back.
835
00:44:00,221 --> 00:44:03,598
Once you met on there, what happened?
836
00:44:03,641 --> 00:44:06,434
We got closer on there,
837
00:44:06,478 --> 00:44:10,229
and we connected more and more.
838
00:44:15,695 --> 00:44:17,862
Godejohn: The way that we clicked,
839
00:44:17,906 --> 00:44:20,615
we somehow just knew
we were right for each other.
840
00:44:24,829 --> 00:44:28,623
Four days later, we started
a relationship together.
841
00:44:36,633 --> 00:44:41,219
Dean: Gypsy had no template for romance
842
00:44:41,262 --> 00:44:45,765
that wasn't this sort of heightened
Prince Charming narrative.
843
00:44:48,603 --> 00:44:50,520
And Nick just happened to be there.
844
00:44:52,023 --> 00:44:53,523
His background equipped him
845
00:44:53,566 --> 00:44:55,233
with a bad narrative in different ways.
846
00:44:55,276 --> 00:44:57,026
So, it was like two bad narratives
847
00:44:57,070 --> 00:44:58,611
collided with each other.
848
00:44:58,655 --> 00:45:01,447
What kind of person--
if somebody never met him,
849
00:45:01,491 --> 00:45:02,949
what kind of person is Nick?
850
00:45:02,992 --> 00:45:06,119
He's pretty quiet, kept to himself,
you know.
851
00:45:06,162 --> 00:45:09,497
We always tell him he's got to get out
and mingle, you know.
852
00:45:09,541 --> 00:45:12,667
- Sure.
- But he's like, "I'm afraid
of getting backstabbed,
853
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:15,420
because everybody backstabs you,"
and all that stuff.
854
00:45:15,463 --> 00:45:18,506
He has autism, you know, Asperger's.
855
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:21,634
Has he been diagnosed
with autism and Asperger's?
856
00:45:21,678 --> 00:45:23,094
- Yes.
- Okay.
857
00:45:23,138 --> 00:45:24,887
Stephanie: Last doctor he talked to,
858
00:45:24,931 --> 00:45:27,640
they said his mind is probably
always going to be 15, 16,
859
00:45:27,684 --> 00:45:29,517
right around there.
860
00:45:29,561 --> 00:45:31,811
At first, it was all lighthearted,
you know.
861
00:45:31,855 --> 00:45:33,312
"If you got married,
862
00:45:33,356 --> 00:45:35,022
where would you like to have
your honeymoon?"
863
00:45:35,066 --> 00:45:36,983
You know, "Where would you like
to get married?
864
00:45:37,026 --> 00:45:38,818
Where are all the places
you want to travel?"
865
00:45:38,862 --> 00:45:41,279
Different things like that, normal stuff.
866
00:45:41,322 --> 00:45:44,282
And as it progressed, things got weird.
867
00:45:46,494 --> 00:45:49,745
He started talking about
something called BDSM.
868
00:46:04,429 --> 00:46:06,095
Gypsy: And at first, I didn't
know what it was,
869
00:46:06,139 --> 00:46:08,222
so I looked it up.
870
00:46:08,266 --> 00:46:11,350
And once I looked it up, I was like,
"I don't want to do this."
871
00:46:11,394 --> 00:46:14,687
And then he kind of
just talked me into it
872
00:46:14,731 --> 00:46:17,732
and was like, "It'll be fine,"
you know?
873
00:46:17,775 --> 00:46:19,400
"Try this with me."
874
00:46:19,444 --> 00:46:22,737
And so, I agreed to it.
875
00:46:25,658 --> 00:46:29,285
I was taught that a woman's role
is to be submissive
876
00:46:29,329 --> 00:46:31,037
and the man is dominant,
877
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,581
so I didn't think
it was that outlandish.
878
00:46:36,377 --> 00:46:40,838
Then his ex had messaged me.
879
00:46:40,882 --> 00:46:45,092
She told me, you know,
he's a really bad guy.
880
00:46:45,136 --> 00:46:47,386
He thinks he's a vampire
881
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:51,057
and he's into all this
dominant/submissive stuff.
882
00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:53,142
And I was thinking, it's just an ex.
883
00:46:53,186 --> 00:46:55,561
You know, she's just badmouthing him.
884
00:46:55,605 --> 00:46:59,232
She doesn't know anything.
She's jealous, blah, blah, blah.
885
00:46:59,275 --> 00:47:00,775
She was right.
886
00:47:00,818 --> 00:47:03,069
Godejohn also has a criminal past.
887
00:47:03,112 --> 00:47:05,863
In 2013 he was arrested
after investigators say
888
00:47:05,907 --> 00:47:08,616
he was watching pornography
and fondling himself
889
00:47:08,660 --> 00:47:11,244
in a McDonald's restaurant
for nine hours,
890
00:47:11,287 --> 00:47:14,413
police finding a large knife
during the arrest.
891
00:47:14,457 --> 00:47:17,458
I really don't know what's
wrong with him,
892
00:47:17,502 --> 00:47:21,420
but, I mean, it's not like
I ever had a boyfriend before,
893
00:47:21,464 --> 00:47:25,508
so I really didn't know
what was a normal relationship.
894
00:47:25,552 --> 00:47:28,010
How don't know how much
she told you about me, but...
895
00:47:30,431 --> 00:47:32,223
Have you been diagnosed with that?
896
00:47:32,267 --> 00:47:33,849
I probably should be diagnosed with it
897
00:47:33,893 --> 00:47:35,768
because it-- it happens--
898
00:47:35,812 --> 00:47:38,479
the thing is, I used to take
a medication.
899
00:47:38,523 --> 00:47:40,940
I used to hear voices in my head.
Then it went away.
900
00:47:40,984 --> 00:47:43,568
And then somehow it's a part of myself.
901
00:47:43,611 --> 00:47:46,279
Okay.
Does Gypsy know that?
902
00:47:46,322 --> 00:47:48,948
- Yes. She does know that.
- Okay.
903
00:47:48,992 --> 00:47:51,993
His multiple personalities
would come out,
904
00:47:52,036 --> 00:47:55,621
and he had talked to me one day
905
00:47:55,665 --> 00:47:58,040
and he was just like, "You know,
I would like
906
00:47:58,084 --> 00:48:01,377
my other personalities to
have a girlfriend."
907
00:48:01,421 --> 00:48:04,714
So I made up some
individual personalities
908
00:48:04,757 --> 00:48:07,675
to match his other personalities.
909
00:48:19,355 --> 00:48:21,647
Godejohn: One side of her is named Kitty.
910
00:48:21,691 --> 00:48:23,691
It's like a little girl inside of her.
911
00:48:26,362 --> 00:48:28,863
We had another one called Candy.
912
00:48:32,869 --> 00:48:35,119
She has an evil side of herself as well.
913
00:48:35,163 --> 00:48:36,704
She used to call her Ruby.
914
00:48:38,875 --> 00:48:41,876
Gypsy: It was deaf, dumb, blind love.
915
00:48:45,173 --> 00:48:47,590
And sometimes, it's a big crazy love.
916
00:48:47,634 --> 00:48:51,135
Dean: One of the most interesting
things about this case
917
00:48:51,179 --> 00:48:53,304
is that no matter how much control
918
00:48:53,348 --> 00:48:55,222
you have over an individual,
919
00:48:55,266 --> 00:48:58,559
you can't stop adolescent sexuality
from blossoming.
920
00:48:59,937 --> 00:49:02,355
Her whole life,
921
00:49:02,398 --> 00:49:05,524
this had been a subject that was
forbidden to her,
922
00:49:05,568 --> 00:49:07,943
and, ultimately,
923
00:49:07,987 --> 00:49:10,112
that turned into a really
destructive force.
924
00:49:17,413 --> 00:49:20,456
Gypsy: Probably about a year
into our relationship,
925
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:23,167
I just couldn't lie to him anymore.
926
00:49:23,211 --> 00:49:26,754
And I just told him everything.
927
00:49:26,798 --> 00:49:29,340
Why did nobody know she could walk?
928
00:49:29,384 --> 00:49:32,551
Her mom wanted everyone to think
929
00:49:32,595 --> 00:49:34,929
that she was, like, 16 the entire time.
930
00:49:34,972 --> 00:49:39,892
So, yeah, she felt kind of trapped
on a wheelchair
931
00:49:39,936 --> 00:49:42,561
when I actually was trying
to encourage her
932
00:49:42,605 --> 00:49:44,271
to be able to walk
more and more and more.
933
00:49:47,568 --> 00:49:50,736
Gypsy: It really didn't come up,
like, "I want you to kill her."
934
00:49:52,281 --> 00:49:56,117
But he had said,
"I'll protect you from anybody."
935
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,244
And I said, "Anybody?"
936
00:49:58,287 --> 00:50:00,121
And he said, "Yeah."
937
00:50:00,164 --> 00:50:02,915
And I said, "Even my mom?"
938
00:50:02,959 --> 00:50:04,625
And he said, "Yeah."
939
00:50:04,669 --> 00:50:07,128
And that's where it kind of developed
from there on.
940
00:50:08,506 --> 00:50:10,256
We'd call it "plan B."
941
00:50:13,511 --> 00:50:15,511
But we always pushed it back.
942
00:50:15,555 --> 00:50:17,179
You know, it was just a thought.
943
00:50:17,223 --> 00:50:18,639
It was never reality.
944
00:50:20,059 --> 00:50:22,309
We'll consider other options.
945
00:50:25,148 --> 00:50:30,735
We had planned a meeting at
a movie theater.
946
00:50:30,778 --> 00:50:33,070
I and my mom was going
to go see "Cinderella,"
947
00:50:33,114 --> 00:50:35,489
the live-action version
of "Cinderella,"
948
00:50:35,533 --> 00:50:39,785
and I was like, "This is a perfect time
for us to meet.
949
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:42,872
I'll buy your ticket, and you
come to the movie theater.
950
00:50:42,915 --> 00:50:46,292
We'll meet like we're just
meeting as new friends,
951
00:50:46,335 --> 00:50:49,503
and it's going to be perfect."
952
00:50:49,547 --> 00:50:51,756
Godejohn: She wanted to have sex
with me, so I did.
953
00:50:51,799 --> 00:50:53,424
Officer: Okay, she wanted
to have sex with you?
954
00:50:53,468 --> 00:50:55,760
- Yes.
- Wow, did her mom know?
955
00:50:55,803 --> 00:50:58,262
Um, we kept it from her mom.
956
00:50:58,306 --> 00:51:01,348
Okay. Where did you have sex at
in the theater?
957
00:51:01,392 --> 00:51:02,767
- It was in the bathroom.
- Okay.
958
00:51:02,810 --> 00:51:04,894
In the girls' bathroom
or boys' bathroom?
959
00:51:04,937 --> 00:51:07,646
She just took me in the boys' bathroom.
I didn't have any choice.
960
00:51:07,690 --> 00:51:09,815
We went right into the boys' bathroom.
She was okay with it.
961
00:51:09,859 --> 00:51:11,901
Okay, okay.
962
00:51:11,944 --> 00:51:14,403
And then what happened after
you guys had sex in the theater?
963
00:51:14,447 --> 00:51:18,991
We went to our movie and watched it.
964
00:51:19,035 --> 00:51:21,994
They're all looking at you.
965
00:51:22,038 --> 00:51:24,121
Believe me,
966
00:51:24,165 --> 00:51:26,165
they are all looking at you.
967
00:51:27,668 --> 00:51:29,627
I don't know what it was,
but, apparently,
968
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:31,962
the night got ruined in some way.
969
00:51:32,006 --> 00:51:34,924
I couldn't--
I was trying to understand
970
00:51:34,967 --> 00:51:36,842
what was going on with her mom.
971
00:51:36,886 --> 00:51:39,470
She despised him.
972
00:51:39,514 --> 00:51:42,264
She was like, "He's creepy.
He's weird.
973
00:51:42,308 --> 00:51:45,309
He's coming to see a kids' movie
alone by himself."
974
00:51:45,353 --> 00:51:48,187
And now looking back on it,
yeah, it is weird.
975
00:51:48,231 --> 00:51:50,314
We were the only people at the movies,
976
00:51:50,358 --> 00:51:53,108
and he didn't have a kid with him
977
00:51:53,152 --> 00:51:55,319
or a girlfriend or nothing.
978
00:51:55,363 --> 00:52:00,241
He's just this guy going to see
this chick movie.
979
00:52:00,284 --> 00:52:01,826
Carr: Couldn't you have said
that you have a friend
980
00:52:01,869 --> 00:52:03,494
and you want to introduce them?
981
00:52:03,538 --> 00:52:06,372
I wouldn't have had no way
to meet him, you know?
982
00:52:06,415 --> 00:52:09,834
I can't say I met him online or...
983
00:52:09,877 --> 00:52:12,044
She's-- she was all the time with me,
984
00:52:12,088 --> 00:52:15,631
so there would be no other time
to meet him.
985
00:52:17,218 --> 00:52:22,429
Once all of those plans seemed
to fall apart,
986
00:52:22,473 --> 00:52:24,265
I just got desperate.
987
00:52:48,082 --> 00:52:50,082
Gypsy: He took a Greyhound bus.
988
00:52:50,126 --> 00:52:52,418
I managed to scrape up enough money
989
00:52:52,461 --> 00:52:54,461
to pay for him a ticket.
990
00:52:57,842 --> 00:53:00,801
And the next day, we went to
the grocery store,
991
00:53:00,845 --> 00:53:03,387
came back home.
992
00:53:03,431 --> 00:53:05,514
She went to sleep very, very late,
993
00:53:05,558 --> 00:53:07,975
and I was up texting Nick.
994
00:53:27,622 --> 00:53:29,830
(voice breaking)
We painted each other's nails.
995
00:53:32,335 --> 00:53:35,169
And I acted like everything was fine.
996
00:53:39,508 --> 00:53:42,468
We had just recently got into
an argument,
997
00:53:42,511 --> 00:53:45,262
and we had made up.
998
00:53:45,306 --> 00:53:47,973
And I said I was going to be
a good girl.
999
00:53:49,435 --> 00:53:52,895
And then she went to sleep
1000
00:53:52,939 --> 00:53:56,023
because I hurt her feelings or something.
1001
00:53:56,067 --> 00:53:59,860
She said, "I'm starting to
feel more relaxed.
1002
00:53:59,904 --> 00:54:01,695
Don't hurt me."
1003
00:54:06,035 --> 00:54:09,078
The last words she said to me was
"don't hurt me."
1004
00:54:26,138 --> 00:54:28,472
I went into the bathroom.
1005
00:54:28,516 --> 00:54:31,725
I got kind of in a fetal position
1006
00:54:31,769 --> 00:54:33,602
and I covered my ears.
1007
00:54:33,646 --> 00:54:37,690
And I heard my mom wake up.
1008
00:54:39,151 --> 00:54:42,027
And then she sounded startled.
1009
00:54:42,071 --> 00:54:47,116
And there was some noises
that I can't make out,
1010
00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:52,913
and I heard her say my name
a couple times.
1011
00:54:54,458 --> 00:54:59,169
And she said, "Help me."
1012
00:54:59,213 --> 00:55:00,879
And then there was just silence.
1013
00:55:03,509 --> 00:55:04,967
Carr: Did she scream?
1014
00:55:07,263 --> 00:55:08,595
Yeah.
1015
00:55:13,436 --> 00:55:16,145
Dean: This is about as clear
a premeditated murder
1016
00:55:16,188 --> 00:55:18,397
as I've ever seen.
1017
00:55:19,817 --> 00:55:22,693
It's brutal.
1018
00:55:22,737 --> 00:55:25,195
And I think it would be
very hard for anybody
1019
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,699
to not have a moment
of being taken aback.
1020
00:55:28,743 --> 00:55:32,736
- Did you have sex with Dee Dee?
- No.
1021
00:55:32,737 --> 00:55:34,950
You didn't stick your penis
anywhere on her?
1022
00:55:35,041 --> 00:55:36,457
- Nope.
- Are you sure?
1023
00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:38,000
- Yep.
- Positive?
1024
00:55:38,044 --> 00:55:39,835
- I'm 100% positive.
- Okay.
1025
00:55:39,879 --> 00:55:41,962
Did you stick your penis in her mouth?
1026
00:55:42,006 --> 00:55:43,422
- Nope.
- Okay.
1027
00:55:43,466 --> 00:55:45,632
Did your penis touch anywhere on
Dee Dee's body?
1028
00:55:45,676 --> 00:55:47,051
- Nope.
- Okay.
1029
00:55:47,094 --> 00:55:49,011
Did your mouth touch anywhere on
Dee Dee's body?
1030
00:55:49,055 --> 00:55:50,554
- My mouth? No.
- Okay.
1031
00:55:50,598 --> 00:55:52,389
- You didn't kiss her or...
- Nope.
1032
00:55:52,433 --> 00:55:54,725
- ...lick her or anything like that?
- Nope.
1033
00:55:54,769 --> 00:55:57,061
Okay. What do you think about people
1034
00:55:57,104 --> 00:55:59,563
that have sex with dead bodies?
1035
00:55:59,607 --> 00:56:02,149
I mean, it's quite disturbing, honestly.
1036
00:56:02,193 --> 00:56:04,401
Okay, that's-- that would bother you?
1037
00:56:04,445 --> 00:56:06,570
Yeah. I don't like necrophilia.
1038
00:56:06,614 --> 00:56:09,114
Okay, because I think one of the things
1039
00:56:09,158 --> 00:56:11,742
that she might have said
was that you had mentioned
1040
00:56:11,786 --> 00:56:13,744
that you'd like to rape her mom.
1041
00:56:13,788 --> 00:56:17,456
- Yeah, at one point, I was
thinking about it.
- Okay.
1042
00:56:17,500 --> 00:56:19,374
He had wanted to rape my mother.
1043
00:56:19,418 --> 00:56:20,876
That's what he wanted to do.
1044
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,669
He was like, "I'm going to kill her,
1045
00:56:22,713 --> 00:56:25,672
but I'm going to do it my way,
and I'm going to rape her."
1046
00:56:25,716 --> 00:56:29,051
So what I did was I made
a deal with him.
1047
00:56:29,095 --> 00:56:34,181
I'd let him rape me, and--
1048
00:56:34,225 --> 00:56:37,017
and then he wouldn't--
he wouldn't do that to my mom.
1049
00:56:39,980 --> 00:56:42,481
- So you guys have sex.
- Yes.
1050
00:56:42,525 --> 00:56:46,151
And what kind of sex?
What is sex like to you?
1051
00:56:46,195 --> 00:56:50,489
Well, to me, the kind of sex
that it was
1052
00:56:50,533 --> 00:56:54,451
was pretty much kind of con-- consensual?
1053
00:56:54,495 --> 00:56:56,912
Is that the word I'm looking for?
1054
00:56:56,956 --> 00:57:00,040
Officer: Like, are you biting her?
Are you punching her?
1055
00:57:00,084 --> 00:57:02,668
Godejohn: No, no, I would never
lay my hands on her.
1056
00:57:02,711 --> 00:57:05,045
I didn't even bite her at all, actually.
1057
00:57:05,089 --> 00:57:08,173
Not for a long time, that is.
1058
00:57:08,217 --> 00:57:11,093
The very first time, she whispered
in my ear
1059
00:57:11,137 --> 00:57:13,470
that that was a turn-on of hers,
is biting.
1060
00:57:13,514 --> 00:57:14,763
- I bit her twice.
- Okay.
1061
00:57:14,807 --> 00:57:16,598
The first time I can't remember.
1062
00:57:16,642 --> 00:57:19,685
The second time I remember,
because I bit her a lot harder.
1063
00:57:19,728 --> 00:57:21,979
However, she seemed to still enjoy it
1064
00:57:22,022 --> 00:57:24,273
even though it was really hard.
1065
00:57:24,316 --> 00:57:27,734
Gypsy: Technically, once we got
to that point,
1066
00:57:27,778 --> 00:57:30,863
I screamed for him to stop,
and he didn't.
1067
00:57:30,906 --> 00:57:34,783
So I don't consider it to be consensual.
1068
00:57:39,331 --> 00:57:41,039
Okay, all right.
1069
00:57:41,083 --> 00:57:43,292
Is there a reason you
didn't feel pleasure?
1070
00:57:43,335 --> 00:57:46,962
I don't know. It's really hard to say.
1071
00:57:47,006 --> 00:57:49,798
I did make her have an orgasm once.
1072
00:57:49,842 --> 00:57:54,219
- Okay.
- And then after that, I--
she might've blew me a bit.
1073
00:57:54,263 --> 00:57:57,306
And then after that, I think we stopped
because we realized
1074
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:58,974
there was a lot of packing
and stuff to do.
1075
00:57:59,018 --> 00:58:01,101
Okay, so you guys get everything packed.
1076
00:58:01,145 --> 00:58:02,769
She wipes down the fingerprints.
1077
00:58:02,813 --> 00:58:04,313
And then what do you guys do?
1078
00:58:04,356 --> 00:58:09,109
We get in a taxi and
we get to the hotel.
1079
00:58:14,491 --> 00:58:15,908
Hi, honey.
1080
00:58:18,954 --> 00:58:20,454
I'm filming.
1081
00:58:34,345 --> 00:58:36,595
He's eating a brownie!
1082
00:58:38,766 --> 00:58:41,266
Gypsy: But later, he will be eating me!
1083
00:58:44,563 --> 00:58:47,397
I loved Nick very much at that time,
1084
00:58:47,441 --> 00:58:50,442
and being with him felt exciting
1085
00:58:50,486 --> 00:58:53,695
because I was with someone I loved
1086
00:58:53,739 --> 00:58:55,822
and someone I thought cared for me.
1087
00:59:00,412 --> 00:59:03,372
We took a Greyhound bus
back to Wisconsin.
1088
00:59:06,502 --> 00:59:10,295
My mind wasn't thinking back
to what was at my house.
1089
00:59:10,339 --> 00:59:12,506
I just kept thinking,
"I'm free, I'm free,"
1090
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:16,343
and that excitement of being
free and walking.
1091
00:59:17,972 --> 00:59:20,889
I always reference myself to this
little bluebird
1092
00:59:20,933 --> 00:59:23,392
that was trapped in an invisible cage,
1093
00:59:23,435 --> 00:59:27,854
and I felt like this bluebird was
set free.
1094
00:59:27,898 --> 00:59:29,606
Did you guys talk about your future?
1095
00:59:29,650 --> 00:59:31,692
What was your plans for your future?
1096
00:59:31,735 --> 00:59:35,654
We wanted to have a family together,
1097
00:59:35,698 --> 00:59:39,283
and we wanted to build
a life together and stuff.
1098
00:59:39,326 --> 00:59:41,994
We thought we really had
a chance to do it,
1099
00:59:42,037 --> 00:59:43,829
so we were happy about that.
1100
01:00:02,725 --> 01:00:05,559
Does your mom and stepdad
know what you did?
1101
01:00:05,602 --> 01:00:07,269
No, they don't.
1102
01:00:07,313 --> 01:00:09,604
And this is the first time
they ever met Gypsy?
1103
01:00:09,648 --> 01:00:11,148
Yeah. In person, yes.
1104
01:00:11,191 --> 01:00:13,942
Okay, and they agreed
to let her live there?
1105
01:00:13,986 --> 01:00:15,360
- Yep.
- Okay.
1106
01:00:17,865 --> 01:00:20,532
Officer:
What did you do think about Gypsy?
1107
01:00:20,576 --> 01:00:24,995
You know, it was weird
because when I picked them up
1108
01:00:25,039 --> 01:00:27,622
from the bus station, I even asked her,
1109
01:00:27,666 --> 01:00:29,333
"How's your mom doing?
How is your..."
1110
01:00:29,376 --> 01:00:31,877
'Cause I was told she was
in a homeless shelter.
1111
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,086
Her mom kicked her out.
1112
01:00:33,130 --> 01:00:34,671
So I asked her how her mom was doing.
1113
01:00:34,715 --> 01:00:36,757
This might have been the first thing
I asked her.
1114
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,634
No big deal, They acted like nothing.
1115
01:00:39,678 --> 01:00:41,053
What was your impression?
1116
01:00:41,096 --> 01:00:43,388
Did you feel like there was
anything wrong?
1117
01:00:43,432 --> 01:00:45,474
- Did you feel like everything was good?
- Everything seemed normal.
1118
01:00:45,517 --> 01:00:47,726
The only thing that freaked me out
is she was wearing a wig.
1119
01:00:47,770 --> 01:00:49,561
Okay.
1120
01:00:49,605 --> 01:00:51,897
Hancock: Did you remember getting
in the mail
1121
01:00:51,940 --> 01:00:55,734
an envelope or anything addressed to
Nick or Gypsy or anything like that?
1122
01:00:55,778 --> 01:01:01,573
There was one that just came in--
hmm-- Saturday?
1123
01:01:01,617 --> 01:01:03,950
I have no idea what was in it.
1124
01:01:03,994 --> 01:01:06,036
Hancock: That was my next question.
1125
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,830
- Charles: I don't go through mail.
- Okay.
1126
01:01:08,874 --> 01:01:12,042
Charles: Maybe I should have.
1127
01:01:12,086 --> 01:01:14,252
- That was the night that he had
stabbed her to death.
- What?
1128
01:01:14,296 --> 01:01:17,214
They mailed it from their house there
to your house.
1129
01:01:17,257 --> 01:01:19,132
- Are you serious?
- Yes, ma'am.
1130
01:01:19,176 --> 01:01:22,135
- Oh, my God.
- And that was located in your house.
1131
01:01:22,179 --> 01:01:24,179
Stephanie: My God.
1132
01:01:24,223 --> 01:01:26,515
Officer: I think there was a little--
1133
01:01:26,558 --> 01:01:30,560
around $4,000-5,000 of cash
1134
01:01:30,604 --> 01:01:32,813
that they had stolen from her mom.
1135
01:01:32,856 --> 01:01:35,399
Stephanie: My God.
1136
01:01:35,442 --> 01:01:36,858
Did you see the Facebook post
where it says--
1137
01:01:36,902 --> 01:01:38,568
- No.
- Okay, that's right.
1138
01:01:38,612 --> 01:01:41,863
On Dee and Gypsy's Facebook post
that they share,
1139
01:01:41,907 --> 01:01:43,949
there are some horrible messages
1140
01:01:43,992 --> 01:01:45,951
that were posted on there
that said, like--
1141
01:01:45,994 --> 01:01:48,078
I believe, like, they slashed her--
1142
01:01:48,122 --> 01:01:49,746
like, "I slashed her. I killed her.
1143
01:01:49,790 --> 01:01:51,915
And then I raped the girl,
and the girl's dead, too."
1144
01:01:51,959 --> 01:01:55,335
Well, those all were
actually posted by Gypsy.
1145
01:01:57,589 --> 01:02:00,298
Dr. Feldman: Startlingly with Gypsy,
1146
01:02:00,342 --> 01:02:03,718
who went online
to announce, you know,
1147
01:02:03,762 --> 01:02:08,098
"That bitch is dead,"
and to go even further
1148
01:02:08,142 --> 01:02:12,519
and describe a scenario
where she was raped
1149
01:02:12,563 --> 01:02:14,604
is just perverse.
1150
01:02:14,648 --> 01:02:17,566
It implies a fair degree
of sociopathy.
1151
01:02:17,609 --> 01:02:21,111
Just the way the girl acted--
1152
01:02:21,155 --> 01:02:23,989
I mean, how can you
do something to your mother
1153
01:02:24,032 --> 01:02:26,283
and lose your mother,
and just act like that?
1154
01:02:26,326 --> 01:02:30,579
I was like-- I'm just trying to wrap
my head around it.
1155
01:02:30,622 --> 01:02:32,664
I mean, they acted like
two normal people.
1156
01:02:32,708 --> 01:02:35,375
- Yeah.
- That's what's really freaky.
1157
01:02:35,419 --> 01:02:38,003
Yeah.
1158
01:02:38,046 --> 01:02:39,713
How can you do that?
1159
01:02:41,758 --> 01:02:43,967
Bobby: Gypsy might have been
the mastermind herself.
1160
01:02:44,011 --> 01:02:45,844
I think it's most anybody's instinct to,
1161
01:02:45,888 --> 01:02:48,763
"Oh, shit, you murdered your mother,"
you know?
1162
01:02:48,807 --> 01:02:51,850
Watch that girl.
1163
01:02:51,894 --> 01:02:54,394
Don't turn your back.
You she might stab you.
1164
01:02:57,774 --> 01:03:01,109
Dean: I do think Gypsy
is potentially dangerous.
1165
01:03:02,529 --> 01:03:04,696
Dee Dee was a master manipulator,
1166
01:03:04,740 --> 01:03:07,199
and it's impossible that Gypsy would not
1167
01:03:07,242 --> 01:03:09,367
have picked this up and used it.
1168
01:03:13,790 --> 01:03:15,373
- Yeah.
- You know?
1169
01:03:17,085 --> 01:03:19,461
I know. I mean, that's the way
it works, though,
1170
01:03:19,505 --> 01:03:21,087
when you have what he has.
1171
01:03:21,131 --> 01:03:23,548
Your mind focuses on one thing.
Do you know what I mean?
1172
01:03:23,592 --> 01:03:25,258
Yes, ma'am.
1173
01:03:25,302 --> 01:03:28,094
Do you think that if Gypsy hadn't asked
you to kill her mom,
1174
01:03:28,138 --> 01:03:29,513
you'd have ever killed her mom?
1175
01:03:29,556 --> 01:03:30,889
I know I wouldn't have done it.
1176
01:03:30,933 --> 01:03:32,807
Okay. You just did it because
you loved Gypsy
1177
01:03:32,851 --> 01:03:34,142
and Gypsy asked you to do it.
1178
01:03:34,186 --> 01:03:35,393
Is that what I'm thinking?
1179
01:03:35,437 --> 01:03:36,811
- Yes.
- Okay.
1180
01:03:36,855 --> 01:03:40,649
For him to ruin his life over that,
1181
01:03:40,692 --> 01:03:43,777
I'm sorry, but she's a beast.
1182
01:03:43,820 --> 01:03:45,820
Yeah.
1183
01:03:45,864 --> 01:03:49,282
She now doesn't have a language
1184
01:03:49,326 --> 01:03:52,744
beyond manipulation and retaliation.
1185
01:03:52,788 --> 01:03:55,914
I mean, is she taking any sort of--
1186
01:03:55,958 --> 01:03:59,209
you know, is she like,
"Well, okay, it was me, too,"
1187
01:03:59,253 --> 01:04:00,752
or is she to trying to put it
all on Nick?
1188
01:04:00,796 --> 01:04:02,128
She...
1189
01:04:03,799 --> 01:04:06,132
takes some responsibility,
1190
01:04:06,176 --> 01:04:09,469
but not much.
1191
01:04:09,513 --> 01:04:11,221
Not much at all.
1192
01:04:11,265 --> 01:04:13,723
- Did you kill your mom?
- No. No, sir.
1193
01:04:13,767 --> 01:04:15,392
- Did you help?
- No, sir.
1194
01:04:15,435 --> 01:04:18,770
- No one else killed your mom?
- No, sir.
1195
01:04:18,814 --> 01:04:20,897
No, sir.
1196
01:04:20,941 --> 01:04:22,691
Did you have knowledge that Nicholas
1197
01:04:22,734 --> 01:04:25,110
was going to kill your mom
before he did it?
1198
01:04:25,153 --> 01:04:26,278
No, sir.
1199
01:04:29,449 --> 01:04:30,991
Okay. Sit tight for me, okay?
1200
01:04:31,034 --> 01:04:32,492
It's okay.
1201
01:04:47,634 --> 01:04:49,926
I wonder if people feel that Gypsy
1202
01:04:49,970 --> 01:04:52,012
is telling them the truth now.
1203
01:04:55,309 --> 01:04:57,726
Female voice: Hello, you have
a call from...
1204
01:04:57,769 --> 01:05:00,520
Gypsy: Gypsy Rose.
1205
01:05:00,564 --> 01:05:05,108
She was still in Wisconsin
when she called me.
1206
01:05:05,152 --> 01:05:07,235
Kristy on phone: Hey, my sweetie.
1207
01:05:07,279 --> 01:05:10,238
Gypsy: Hi! Is this Kristy?
1208
01:05:10,282 --> 01:05:11,781
Kristy: Yes, baby.
1209
01:05:11,825 --> 01:05:13,575
Gypsy: Hi! Oh, my God.
1210
01:05:13,619 --> 01:05:15,994
It's so good to hear your voice.
1211
01:05:16,038 --> 01:05:21,333
At that time, she still wasn't trusting,
really, anyone.
1212
01:05:21,376 --> 01:05:27,005
She was still not telling
Mike everything.
1213
01:05:27,049 --> 01:05:28,840
Gypsy: I'm innocent.
1214
01:05:28,884 --> 01:05:31,760
It's a complicated situation,
1215
01:05:31,803 --> 01:05:36,264
but what they say on the news
is not true.
1216
01:05:36,308 --> 01:05:38,975
Then we went in the courtroom,
1217
01:05:39,019 --> 01:05:43,021
and that's when they showed
all the text messaging.
1218
01:05:43,065 --> 01:05:45,774
And when they said they were
presenting that,
1219
01:05:45,817 --> 01:05:48,693
she turned around and looked at us
1220
01:05:48,737 --> 01:05:51,571
with fear in her eyes.
1221
01:05:51,615 --> 01:05:54,783
I guess she didn't think
that they were going to pull
1222
01:05:54,826 --> 01:05:56,743
all of those messages up.
1223
01:05:57,913 --> 01:06:00,038
Carr:
1224
01:06:00,082 --> 01:06:02,248
Yeah, I did.
1225
01:06:13,929 --> 01:06:15,345
They didn't get caught red-handed,
1226
01:06:15,389 --> 01:06:17,180
but they got caught red-handed.
1227
01:06:17,224 --> 01:06:18,765
You know, they have a lot of evidence.
1228
01:06:18,809 --> 01:06:23,228
They have the murder weapon,
texts, videos.
1229
01:06:23,271 --> 01:06:27,273
I mean, no doubt they did it or
planned it and everything,
1230
01:06:27,317 --> 01:06:31,361
so it was just a matter
of why they did it,
1231
01:06:31,405 --> 01:06:33,655
you know, and is that reasonable?
1232
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:36,991
Carr: Are you happy that your mom
1233
01:06:37,035 --> 01:06:39,244
is not here to abuse you anymore?
1234
01:06:40,956 --> 01:06:42,789
Yeah.
1235
01:06:42,833 --> 01:06:46,668
But at the same time,
I'm not happy that she's dead.
1236
01:06:46,712 --> 01:06:48,378
You know, I didn't want that.
1237
01:06:48,422 --> 01:06:52,215
I know it sounds strange to
plan something
1238
01:06:52,259 --> 01:06:54,759
and go through the steps
to make it happen,
1239
01:06:54,803 --> 01:06:58,346
and then-- but at the same time
not want it to happen.
1240
01:07:00,392 --> 01:07:02,851
One of the problems with the legal system
1241
01:07:02,894 --> 01:07:05,103
is that it demands that people
have this one intention
1242
01:07:05,147 --> 01:07:08,273
and this one moment in time
and be certain about it,
1243
01:07:08,316 --> 01:07:10,275
and I'm not sure that
that really happens.
1244
01:07:10,318 --> 01:07:13,653
And especially in this case,
I'm not sure that it happens.
1245
01:07:13,697 --> 01:07:16,781
It's possible that Gypsy had
ultimately ambivalent feelings
1246
01:07:16,825 --> 01:07:19,451
about killing her mother.
1247
01:07:19,494 --> 01:07:21,161
I wonder what she was thinking
in the other room
1248
01:07:21,204 --> 01:07:23,329
listening to her mother
screaming sometimes.
1249
01:07:23,373 --> 01:07:26,207
I didn't think anything.
1250
01:07:26,251 --> 01:07:28,168
I was scared.
1251
01:07:28,211 --> 01:07:31,171
I was shaking.
1252
01:07:31,214 --> 01:07:34,007
I just-- I didn't have a thought
in my brain.
1253
01:07:37,012 --> 01:07:39,179
It was like it was all not real.
1254
01:07:41,892 --> 01:07:45,226
I was on a bunch of medications,
and I know that's no excuse,
1255
01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:49,189
but on Xanax, I felt like
I had no emotion
1256
01:07:49,232 --> 01:07:51,191
and I wasn't thinking right.
1257
01:07:53,612 --> 01:07:57,363
Munchausen by proxy victims
can lose contact
1258
01:07:57,407 --> 01:07:59,115
with reality at times,
1259
01:07:59,159 --> 01:08:01,868
and that may be part of the defence
1260
01:08:01,912 --> 01:08:04,329
in Gypsy's case.
1261
01:08:04,372 --> 01:08:06,956
She may have trouble distinguishing
1262
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,541
what's real and what isn't.
1263
01:08:08,585 --> 01:08:11,127
Is sickness real or is it fake?
1264
01:08:11,171 --> 01:08:15,715
Is death real, or is it exaggerated
or fake?
1265
01:08:15,759 --> 01:08:19,594
So, I think she had limited capacity
for reality testing,
1266
01:08:19,638 --> 01:08:21,930
which just means seeing
what's normal behavior
1267
01:08:21,973 --> 01:08:24,224
and what's really strange behavior.
1268
01:08:27,020 --> 01:08:31,940
Stanfield: Gypsy grew up in essentially
an alternate reality
1269
01:08:31,983 --> 01:08:34,901
to what the rest of us live.
1270
01:08:34,945 --> 01:08:38,905
By her mother isolating her
from the outside world,
1271
01:08:38,949 --> 01:08:43,201
she doesn't know or understand
what normal really is.
1272
01:08:43,245 --> 01:08:44,869
Hi.
1273
01:08:44,913 --> 01:08:46,454
Gypsy: In so many ways,
1274
01:08:46,498 --> 01:08:50,458
I don't know what's right, what's wrong,
1275
01:08:50,502 --> 01:08:55,088
but to say that, yes, I did this.
1276
01:08:55,131 --> 01:08:56,798
I'm sorry for it.
1277
01:08:56,842 --> 01:08:58,925
I feel bad for it.
1278
01:09:00,804 --> 01:09:02,762
It just feels good to be honest.
1279
01:09:17,737 --> 01:09:19,863
Gypsy: The only thing that
I could've done differently
1280
01:09:19,906 --> 01:09:22,574
that I know better now is reach out
to my dad,
1281
01:09:22,617 --> 01:09:24,534
told my dad.
1282
01:09:24,578 --> 01:09:27,078
And he could have came and got me,
1283
01:09:27,122 --> 01:09:28,496
and I would've went and lived with him.
1284
01:09:35,630 --> 01:09:36,880
Rod: There's a McDonald's right here
1285
01:09:36,923 --> 01:09:38,631
where I'd visit with Gypsy.
1286
01:09:40,093 --> 01:09:43,177
At that time, she was real young.
1287
01:09:43,221 --> 01:09:44,637
I remember one visit...
1288
01:09:46,099 --> 01:09:47,473
she was so scared of me, man.
1289
01:09:47,517 --> 01:09:49,017
She was shaking.
1290
01:09:49,060 --> 01:09:52,353
I don't know what Dee Dee
told her about me,
1291
01:09:52,397 --> 01:09:55,815
but I probably was the big bad wolf
or something, you know?
1292
01:09:55,859 --> 01:10:00,653
Gypsy must have been so confused,
you know?
1293
01:10:00,697 --> 01:10:02,322
She was probably telling her
the day before
1294
01:10:02,365 --> 01:10:05,325
that, you know, I don't love her
and all this stuff,
1295
01:10:05,368 --> 01:10:09,996
and then here she is visiting with me
and telling her,
1296
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,874
"Look, that's your daddy.
Give him a hug," you know?
1297
01:10:15,253 --> 01:10:18,296
That's old history now, so we're
just going to try to build
1298
01:10:18,340 --> 01:10:21,382
a real father-daughter
intimate relationship,
1299
01:10:21,426 --> 01:10:23,176
you know, like we should have.
1300
01:10:27,307 --> 01:10:29,891
It's hard.
1301
01:10:29,935 --> 01:10:32,644
Thinking what she had to go through
1302
01:10:32,687 --> 01:10:34,979
and that she didn't have
to go through all that.
1303
01:10:35,023 --> 01:10:38,650
- Woman: See this?
- Look at that.
1304
01:10:38,693 --> 01:10:41,778
She would probably have been
a perfectly fine kid
1305
01:10:41,821 --> 01:10:44,572
had it not been her mom was Dee Dee.
1306
01:10:46,076 --> 01:10:48,034
Okay, y'all want to get
the table ready or what?
1307
01:10:48,078 --> 01:10:49,869
- Women: Yes.
- We're going to eat off the trays?
1308
01:10:49,913 --> 01:10:51,663
Claude: She could've had a normal life.
1309
01:10:51,706 --> 01:10:56,334
I hope she gets out, and
I don't know what--
1310
01:10:56,378 --> 01:10:59,045
what she's going to do when she gets out.
1311
01:10:59,089 --> 01:11:01,172
She was punished enough
1312
01:11:01,216 --> 01:11:04,092
to where they should let her go free.
1313
01:11:04,135 --> 01:11:05,677
That's the way I feel.
1314
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:08,388
'Cause that child's--
she's been through a lot.
1315
01:11:09,683 --> 01:11:11,432
Kristy: Look at her.
1316
01:11:11,476 --> 01:11:14,686
- Woman: Is that Gypsy?
- Yeah, when she was normal.
1317
01:11:19,943 --> 01:11:24,362
I blame myself now for not doing more.
1318
01:11:24,406 --> 01:11:26,197
I mean, it is what it is.
1319
01:11:26,241 --> 01:11:29,200
I'm not a "blame yourself" type of guy,
1320
01:11:29,244 --> 01:11:32,120
but who else is there to look at,
you know?
1321
01:12:09,159 --> 01:12:10,825
Okay.
1322
01:12:10,869 --> 01:12:13,286
This is-- sorry.
1323
01:12:13,329 --> 01:12:16,831
I didn't realize they were going to
bring you out immediately.
1324
01:12:16,875 --> 01:12:19,625
This is the new charge--
class-A felony
1325
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:21,419
of murder in the second degree,
1326
01:12:21,463 --> 01:12:23,129
and then acting in concert with another
1327
01:12:23,173 --> 01:12:25,590
who knowingly caused the death
of your mother
1328
01:12:25,633 --> 01:12:28,468
by stabbing her, okay?
1329
01:12:38,104 --> 01:12:39,645
This is in the case of State of Missouri
1330
01:12:39,689 --> 01:12:41,898
v. Gypsy Rose Blanchard.
1331
01:12:41,941 --> 01:12:43,441
Please raise your right hand.
1332
01:12:43,485 --> 01:12:45,193
Do you swear and affirm
that the testimony
1333
01:12:45,236 --> 01:12:46,778
you're about to give will be the truth,
1334
01:12:46,821 --> 01:12:48,654
the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth?
1335
01:12:48,698 --> 01:12:50,448
Yes, sir.
1336
01:12:50,492 --> 01:12:52,283
Would you state your name
for the record, please?
1337
01:12:52,327 --> 01:12:54,744
- Gypsy Blanchard.
- And how old are you?
1338
01:12:54,788 --> 01:12:57,914
I'm going to be 25 years old, but 24.
1339
01:12:57,957 --> 01:13:00,875
Okay. And how far did you go in school?
1340
01:13:00,919 --> 01:13:03,753
About the second grade.
1341
01:13:03,797 --> 01:13:05,922
How do you plead to the class-A felony
1342
01:13:05,965 --> 01:13:07,632
of murder in the second degree?
1343
01:13:07,675 --> 01:13:10,218
- Guilty.
- The court finds that there is
1344
01:13:10,261 --> 01:13:12,637
a factual basis for a plea of guilty.
1345
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:15,056
The court accepts defendant's
plea of guilty
1346
01:13:15,100 --> 01:13:18,059
and finds the defendant guilty thereof
beyond a reasonable doubt.
1347
01:13:18,103 --> 01:13:20,144
She's to be sentenced to 10 years
1348
01:13:20,188 --> 01:13:22,438
in the Missouri Department of Corrections.
1349
01:13:22,482 --> 01:13:24,899
She'll have to do 85% of her sentence
1350
01:13:24,943 --> 01:13:29,195
before she's eligible for parole.
1351
01:13:29,239 --> 01:13:30,530
Let's go off the record.
1352
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,749
There you are.
1353
01:13:41,793 --> 01:13:47,171
Patterson: This case is unusual
and extraordinary.
1354
01:13:47,215 --> 01:13:50,258
Gypsy Blanchard endured
nearly two decades
1355
01:13:50,301 --> 01:13:54,554
of systematic, purposeful abuse
1356
01:13:54,597 --> 01:13:58,099
at the hands of her mother
for the purpose of fraud.
1357
01:13:58,143 --> 01:14:00,685
And so, by amending to murder
in the second degree,
1358
01:14:00,728 --> 01:14:04,689
we were able to both hold
Gypsy Blanchard accountable
for the murder,
1359
01:14:04,732 --> 01:14:07,859
which was not justified
nor excusable,
1360
01:14:07,902 --> 01:14:11,779
but yet account for
those mitigating circumstances.
1361
01:14:11,823 --> 01:14:15,324
All of us involved are--
it's a relief.
1362
01:14:15,368 --> 01:14:17,285
You know, at the very beginning of this,
1363
01:14:17,328 --> 01:14:20,913
there was the question of
the death penalty on the table.
1364
01:14:20,957 --> 01:14:24,167
Ultimately, it's the best
outcome for her.
1365
01:14:24,210 --> 01:14:26,252
It's the best outcome
for the State of Missouri
1366
01:14:26,296 --> 01:14:30,464
and ultimately the right thing
to do for everybody.
1367
01:14:30,508 --> 01:14:32,049
That one's in this pocket.
1368
01:14:32,093 --> 01:14:34,218
Ooh.
1369
01:14:34,262 --> 01:14:36,179
I mean, it's a murder.
1370
01:14:36,222 --> 01:14:37,638
There's nothing we can do about that,
1371
01:14:37,682 --> 01:14:40,850
so, you know, that has to be dealt with.
1372
01:14:40,894 --> 01:14:45,521
But ultimately, when you look at the fact
1373
01:14:45,565 --> 01:14:47,857
that at the end of that 8 1/2 years,
1374
01:14:47,901 --> 01:14:50,735
when she's already done a year of that,
1375
01:14:50,778 --> 01:14:52,528
she'll be 32 years old.
1376
01:14:52,572 --> 01:14:54,697
She'll be three years younger
than I am right now.
1377
01:14:54,741 --> 01:14:57,450
So, I mean, she will actually be able
1378
01:14:57,493 --> 01:15:01,329
to enjoy just the world.
1379
01:15:03,124 --> 01:15:05,708
Carr: Do you think 10 years in jail
is better
1380
01:15:05,752 --> 01:15:08,711
than 10 years of living
the way that you had to live?
1381
01:15:08,755 --> 01:15:12,048
Yes, it is.
1382
01:15:12,091 --> 01:15:15,927
I need to start over like I'm newly born.
1383
01:15:34,530 --> 01:15:35,988
- Honey?
- Yeah.
1384
01:15:36,032 --> 01:15:37,240
- Green?
- Yeah.
1385
01:15:37,283 --> 01:15:39,492
White or green?
1386
01:15:39,535 --> 01:15:41,327
No, no, no, no, no.
1387
01:15:41,371 --> 01:15:42,662
It's my favorite hat.
1388
01:15:42,705 --> 01:15:44,121
No, other hat.
1389
01:15:48,086 --> 01:15:51,170
Kristy: I'm holding on to that girl.
1390
01:15:51,214 --> 01:15:53,422
You know, it's going to be
very emotional.
1391
01:15:53,466 --> 01:15:55,424
Yeah, you're a big crybaby.
1392
01:15:55,468 --> 01:15:56,550
You're probably gonna cry, too.
1393
01:15:56,594 --> 01:15:57,885
And then when you're gonna cry,
1394
01:15:57,929 --> 01:15:59,804
I'm going to cry
1395
01:15:59,847 --> 01:16:01,472
because you're crying,
1396
01:16:01,516 --> 01:16:03,683
because it's hard to see grown men cry.
1397
01:16:06,854 --> 01:16:08,271
I don't cry.
1398
01:16:08,314 --> 01:16:09,480
Bullshit.
1399
01:16:11,818 --> 01:16:13,317
You cry.
1400
01:16:26,624 --> 01:16:29,083
- Hello.
- Daddy.
1401
01:16:29,127 --> 01:16:31,502
Oh...
1402
01:16:35,008 --> 01:16:36,549
I've missed you.
1403
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:44,724
- You're so big.
- I know!
1404
01:16:44,767 --> 01:16:46,726
I'm almost as tall as you.
1405
01:16:52,442 --> 01:16:54,567
So how's everything going
with you health-wise?
1406
01:16:54,610 --> 01:16:56,319
- You good? You feel good?
- It's going good, yeah.
1407
01:16:56,362 --> 01:16:57,820
You've been exercising
and everything?
1408
01:16:57,864 --> 01:17:00,406
I've been going to the rec yard,
been exercising.
1409
01:17:00,450 --> 01:17:02,491
That's good.
1410
01:17:02,535 --> 01:17:04,410
My tube site is finally all healed.
1411
01:17:04,454 --> 01:17:05,828
It's gone?
That's good.
1412
01:17:05,872 --> 01:17:07,747
Looks great.
Looks good.
1413
01:17:07,790 --> 01:17:10,458
All healed up, so...
1414
01:17:10,501 --> 01:17:12,376
Every once in a while,
I get a little pain,
1415
01:17:12,420 --> 01:17:14,795
but I think it's just
phantom pain or something.
1416
01:17:14,839 --> 01:17:15,963
Yeah.
1417
01:17:17,091 --> 01:17:19,008
So, are you glad that it's--
1418
01:17:19,052 --> 01:17:20,593
I'm happy that it's over.
1419
01:17:20,636 --> 01:17:25,556
Yeah. We was-- honestly,
we was hoping for less.
1420
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:29,101
I mean, I know it was your decision
and everything.
1421
01:17:29,145 --> 01:17:31,729
- That's a gamble you take.
I mean--
- Yeah.
1422
01:17:31,773 --> 01:17:33,898
I look at it like
you could've got 30 years.
1423
01:17:33,941 --> 01:17:38,194
I look at it that I could've got
life in prison, you know?
1424
01:17:38,237 --> 01:17:42,114
I was hitting a really down point,
1425
01:17:42,158 --> 01:17:45,534
and it was before--
before the plea agreement,
1426
01:17:45,578 --> 01:17:49,038
before I knew anything about it.
1427
01:17:49,082 --> 01:17:52,917
I was thinking if I get life in prison
1428
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,961
and that is what I get,
1429
01:17:56,005 --> 01:17:58,839
I'm committing suicide
right now, you know?
1430
01:17:58,883 --> 01:18:01,300
I was seriously considering it.
1431
01:18:01,344 --> 01:18:03,344
- Well, baby--
- 'Cause I'm like, it could just be over.
1432
01:18:04,639 --> 01:18:07,098
I just want to make sure
you know that
1433
01:18:07,141 --> 01:18:09,767
if I had done anything wrong,
I'm sorry, baby.
1434
01:18:09,811 --> 01:18:11,602
No, I don't think
you did anything wrong.
1435
01:18:11,646 --> 01:18:15,398
I think it's just Mom was very good
at what she was doing,
1436
01:18:15,441 --> 01:18:18,818
and I think you just
was completely in the dark.
1437
01:18:18,861 --> 01:18:20,611
And I don't-- I want you to know
1438
01:18:20,655 --> 01:18:25,241
I don't blame you for any of it,
either of you.
1439
01:18:25,284 --> 01:18:27,952
- Thank you.
- I take blame on myself.
1440
01:18:27,995 --> 01:18:31,705
And I blame other people,
but I never once blamed y'all.
1441
01:18:31,749 --> 01:18:34,708
Don't blame yourself, sweetie.
1442
01:18:34,752 --> 01:18:38,629
We blame-- I hold enough
for myself, you know?
1443
01:18:38,673 --> 01:18:40,589
Accountability, it's--
1444
01:18:40,633 --> 01:18:42,675
but, I mean, we're not
gonna dwell on that.
1445
01:18:42,718 --> 01:18:44,176
- No.
- No.
1446
01:18:44,220 --> 01:18:46,303
We're gonna go forward,
and when you get out..
1447
01:18:46,347 --> 01:18:48,597
- We'll heal together.
- ...you're still gonna be young.
1448
01:18:48,641 --> 01:18:52,309
We can have a great relationship.
1449
01:18:52,353 --> 01:18:55,354
Look, God pulled you through it.
1450
01:18:55,398 --> 01:18:58,315
- Rod: Yeah.
- You know?
1451
01:18:58,359 --> 01:19:01,569
The devil don't got you, baby.
God got you.
1452
01:19:01,612 --> 01:19:04,029
- Gypsy: Yeah.
- And we got you.
1453
01:19:08,703 --> 01:19:09,869
Give me a hug.
1454
01:19:13,166 --> 01:19:14,415
Hang in there, baby.
1455
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:17,918
You need anything, call any time, okay?
1456
01:19:17,962 --> 01:19:19,503
Oh, she knows.
1457
01:19:19,547 --> 01:19:22,882
We'll come see you again
over there, wherever.
1458
01:19:22,925 --> 01:19:25,092
Just hang tight. Stay strong.
1459
01:19:25,136 --> 01:19:27,553
- We love you.
- I love you, too.
1460
01:19:30,766 --> 01:19:32,683
I don't want to go.
1461
01:19:40,234 --> 01:19:42,943
I don't want to go.
I don't want to go.
1462
01:19:49,535 --> 01:19:53,162
It's okay, baby.
You can do it, okay?
1463
01:19:53,206 --> 01:19:55,915
Just stay strong.
1464
01:19:55,958 --> 01:19:58,709
You got this far, okay?
1465
01:19:58,753 --> 01:20:00,211
The rest is gonna be easier.
1466
01:20:00,254 --> 01:20:02,379
- Okay. Okay.
- Okay?
1467
01:20:05,218 --> 01:20:06,884
You guys have a safe trip back.
1468
01:20:06,928 --> 01:20:08,636
- Don't get in no trouble.
- I won't.
1469
01:20:08,679 --> 01:20:10,012
- Be good.
- I'll be a good girl.
1470
01:20:10,056 --> 01:20:12,348
- Follow the rules.
- I will.
1471
01:20:12,391 --> 01:20:13,682
Bye.
1472
01:20:13,726 --> 01:20:16,101
- Set a good example.
- I will.
1473
01:20:30,910 --> 01:20:33,744
♪ We were very happy ♪
1474
01:20:33,788 --> 01:20:38,541
♪ Well, at least I thought we were ♪
1475
01:20:38,584 --> 01:20:43,504
♪ Can't somebody tell me
what's got into her? ♪
1476
01:20:43,548 --> 01:20:47,508
♪ A house, a home, a family ♪
1477
01:20:47,552 --> 01:20:51,845
♪ And a man
that loves her so ♪
1478
01:20:51,889 --> 01:20:54,932
♪ Oh, say, has anybody seen ♪
1479
01:20:54,976 --> 01:20:58,269
♪ My sweet Gypsy Rose? ♪
1480
01:20:58,312 --> 01:21:02,856
♪ Here's her picture
when she was my sweet Mary Jo ♪
1481
01:21:02,900 --> 01:21:06,318
♪ Now she's got rings
on her fingers ♪
1482
01:21:06,362 --> 01:21:09,488
♪ And bells on her toes ♪
1483
01:21:09,532 --> 01:21:14,952
♪ Say, has anybody seen
my sweet Gypsy Rose? ♪
1484
01:21:14,996 --> 01:21:18,414
♪ Oh, I got wind
my Jo's been dancin' ♪
1485
01:21:18,457 --> 01:21:20,916
♪ Here in New Orleans ♪
1486
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:23,419
♪ In this smoke-filled honky-tonk ♪
1487
01:21:23,462 --> 01:21:26,088
♪ They call the Land of Dreams ♪
1488
01:21:26,132 --> 01:21:28,882
♪ Whoa, here she comes a-struttin' ♪
1489
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♪ In her birthday clothes ♪
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♪ Say, has anybody seen
my sweet Gypsy Rose? ♪
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♪ Sweet Gypsy Rose ♪
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♪ Sweet Gypsy Rose ♪
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♪ So take those rings
off your fingers ♪
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♪ And bells off your toes ♪
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♪ Say, has anybody seen my ♪
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♪ Now you know just what I mean by ♪
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♪ Has anybody seen my Gypsy Rose? ♪
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